irclog2html for #wowace on 20070118

`00:00.26`	`Thrae`	`ckknight: WhoMod being so FuBar dependant must be why someone thought you made it, or they were congratulating you on your "addition" to WhoMod ;)`
`00:00.58`	`ckknight`	`I didn't add anything to it`
`00:01.10`	`ckknight`	`but I'll accept all credit and donations`
`00:01.14`	`Thrae`	`They put lots of FuBar addons in the compliation :D`
`00:01.36`	`Thrae`	`That's your "addition", you lover of all things compliations and addon suites.`
`00:02.05`	`[dRaCo]`	`that interface is... ugly.`
`00:02.14`	`ckknight`	`I'm actually pro-compilation`
`00:02.24`	`ckknight`	`a lot of users don't know how to make their addon suite good`
`00:02.29`	`ckknight`	`so let someone else do it for them`
`00:02.50`	`ckknight`	`granted, I may dislike certain compilations`
`00:02.54`	`ckknight`	`Cosmos, for example`
`00:02.59`	`Thrae`	`But a lot of users who don't know how to make their addon suites good result in a lot of bad addon suites out there :D`
`00:04.02`	`ckknight`	`what do you want me to do? tell him to not use CTMod and point to all the better alternatives out there?`
`00:04.14`	`ckknight`	`I can't do that, Cide will get bitchy and I'll seem like a zealot`
`00:04.49`	`Barbanus`	`ckknight, you aren't a zealot?`
`00:05.19`	`Thrae`	`ckknight: Nah, I just mentioned it because of JoshBorke.`
`00:05.27`	`ckknight`	`well, I hate inefficient mods both in Ace and non-Ace form.`
`00:05.28`	`Zicon`	`I'm pretty sure I've never seen ckknight froth at the mouth, so I doubt he's a zealot. ;p`
`00:05.38`	vid`	`anyway in autobar to remove combat healing potions from battleground potions?`
`00:05.39`	`CIA-17`	`03kergoth * r25470 10kEnergy/ (addon.lua tick.lua): (log message trimmed)`
`00:05.39`	`CIA-17`	`kEnergy: (drycode)`
`00:05.39`	`CIA-17`	`* Undo the change in the last commit to make the metro tick in all forms for`
`00:05.39`	`CIA-17`	`<PROTECTED>`
`00:05.39`	`CIA-17`	`<PROTECTED>`
`00:05.39`	`CIA-17`	`* Resurrect the barticking flag. It's necessary due to a possible timing`
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`00:05.49`	`ckknight`	`it's just coincidence that the inefficient ones happen to be non-Ace`
`00:05.53`	vid`	`because combat healing potions work outside battlegrounds`
`00:06.26`	vid`	`im trying to prioritize combat healing / mana pots over normal major healing/mana pots`
`00:06.45`	vid`	`since they are much cheaper to procure :P`
`00:06.46`	`Barbanus`	`ckknight, i believe that Ace supports some proper coding practices, so that helps .. but there are some very inefficient Ace mods out there too :P`
`00:06.57`	`Thrae`	vid`: /use macros don't fail if it can't find an item, they just go onto the next item
`00:07.01`	`ckknight`	`<cough>SCT</cough>`
`00:07.13`	vid`	`yea i was trying to do it with autobar though`
`00:07.26`	vid`	`guess ill just have to do it the old one of hotbarring all the pots`
`00:07.28`	vid`	`and clicking one i want :P`
`00:07.35`	vid`	`old one = old way`
`00:07.39`	`[dRaCo]`	`is there an effective alternative to sct`
`00:07.41`	`[dRaCo]`	`?`
`00:07.42`	`ckknight`	`Barbanus: note how I said I didn't like inefficient mods whether they're Ace or non-Ace.`
`00:07.47`	`ckknight`	`[dRaCo]: MSBT`
`00:07.54`	`Barbanus`	`ckknight, yup, sure did :)`
`00:08.00`	vid`	`i tried to make a seperate category in autobar just for battleground heal pots`
`00:08.00`	`trh_`	`[dRaCo]: the blizzard ui got something like sct integrated (for me its enough :)`
`00:08.06`	`[dRaCo]`	`yeah, I know`
`00:08.09`	`Toadkiller`	`vid: huh what? why would you want to remove them?`
`00:08.12`	`Thrae`	vid`: /use PotionA <return> /use PotionB <-- uses PotionA if it exists, else uses Potion B
`00:08.12`	`ckknight`	`but I also find Cide's work shitty`
`00:08.15`	`[dRaCo]`	`but the blizz one sucks`
`00:08.17`	`Barbanus`	`So anyone know if there is an easy way to get the text out of the chat bot, say I wanted to make a mod that records chat quotes`
`00:08.23`	vid`	`Toadkiller: dont want to remove em :)`
`00:08.23`	`ckknight`	`at least what I've audited.`
`00:08.32`	vid`	`just trying to set their priority higher`
`00:08.38`	`Thrae`	vid`: What's wrong with that macro?
`00:08.42`	`ckknight`	`and his indignant behavior in his belief that his code is better than mine really gets to me`
`00:08.58`	`kergoth`	`Barbanus: what do you mean?`
`00:08.58`	`ckknight`	`Thrae: it'll stop after the first line. errors stop the macro`
`00:09.16`	vid`	`like im trying to have combat healing potions on the autobar display`
`00:09.19`	vid`	`as opposed to major healing potions`
`00:09.26`	vid`	`and have major heal pots in the popups`
`00:09.27`	`Thrae`	`ckknight: Nope, /use is an exception. If it doesn't find an item, it'll go onto the next line.`
`00:09.28`	`Toadkiller`	`vid: AUtoBar lost that when I converted to PT. Maybe as I switch to PT3 I will fix that again.`
`00:09.33`	`Barbanus`	`kergoth, well, I want to make a mod that allows me to record a quote that someone said, so get the text from chat easily, record it, make a nice UI to play them back.`
`00:09.34`	`ckknight`	`Thrae: ah, shrug`
`00:09.41`	vid`	`ah`
`00:09.47`	`[dRaCo]`	`can't find msbt... where can I get it?`
`00:09.59`	vid`	`so it just a classification that needs to be changed in pt?`
`00:09.59`	`kergoth`	`~msbt`
`00:10.01`	`purl`	`i heard msbt is Mikord's Scrolling Battle Text, a possible SCT replacement, found at http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info5153-2.0.html`
`00:10.02`	vid`	`for the items?`
`00:10.07`	`Thrae`	`The only time /use stops a macro is when it uses the item, or it fails because of the item's cooldown I believe`
`00:10.07`	`[dRaCo]`	`thanks`
`00:10.22`	`Barbanus`	`kergoth, but I dont even know if you can access the text easily, never done anythng with chat before.`
`00:10.22`	`kergoth`	`i use msbt more for its features than for its efficiency, but it seems to have both`
`00:10.27`	`kergoth`	`ah`
`00:10.30`	vid`	`yea thrae i know i can use a macro, but i was trying to keep all pots, etc on autobar`
`00:10.32`	vid`	`since it works good`
`00:10.48`	vid`	`:P`
`00:11.10`	vid`	`plus theres time i dont want to use a combat healing pot, and i would rather use a major heal`
`00:11.11`	`Toadkiller`	`vid: no. THe problem is that there are tiems with identical stats that are nevertheless to be preferred: so you want to prefer conjured food over the identical non conjured food, or bg pots over non while in bg etc.`
`00:11.36`	vid`	`yea gotcha`
`00:11.39`	vid`	`major heals are preferred`
`00:11.43`	vid`	`cause they heal more than combat heals`
`00:12.08`	`Toadkiller`	`vid: you can roll your own from the categories right now, which will prefer ALL combat pots over non combat pots.`
`00:12.15`	vid`	`i tried that :(`
`00:12.29`	vid`	`like 2 weeks ago, it worked`
`00:12.30`	`[dRaCo]`	`is there a sct-mode for msbt? got pretty used to the way sct displays stuff`
`00:12.33`	vid`	`hasnt for awhile now`
`00:12.41`	vid`	`unless i suck!`
`00:12.44`	vid`	`and im doing something wrong`
`00:12.59`	vid`	`its always wanting ot use major heals, unless i step into a BG`
`00:13.01`	`Toadkiller`	`vid: just add a combat pot category to the bottom of the slot list`
`00:13.06`	`Thrae`	`When I hit 'z', I use a Healthstone or a BG Potion or my best Potion or any Potion or a Bandage, in that order. When I hit 'c', I drink Conjoured Water if available, else BG Rations, else best Water, else second-best Water. If I hit shift+z, then I use BG Mana Potion or Best Mana Potion or Any Mana Potion`
`00:13.11`	vid`	`yea i did that, it shows AV pots over combat healing pots :P`
`00:13.14`	vid`	`lol`
`00:13.17`	vid`	`so i just gave up`
`00:13.17`	`Thrae`	`The macros all work for me`
`00:13.18`	vid`	`for now`
`00:13.20`	`*** join/#wowace InterCeptor (n=intercep@p50917263.dip.t-dialin.net)`
`00:13.28`	vid`	`i made a 2 button bar in BT3`
`00:13.31`	vid`	`and put it next to autobar`
`00:13.35`	vid`	`with combat healing / combat mana pot`
`00:13.41`	vid`	`works for now`
`00:14.03`	`Thrae`	vid`: When you say "Combat", you mean BG pots, right?
`00:14.06`	vid`	`no`
`00:14.12`	vid`	`theres the ones that work ONLY in battlegrounds`
`00:14.18`	vid`	`and theres the combat healing / mana pots`
`00:14.26`	vid`	`that you buy for 1 Honor point in org/etc`
`00:14.33`	`Thrae`	`Ahh`
`00:14.35`	vid`	`that work anywhere`
`00:14.38`	`Toadkiller`	`Ah ok my bad. You want the cheap combat pots split out`
`00:14.42`	vid`	`yes :)`
`00:14.47`	`Thrae`	vid`: How much do they heal?
`00:14.53`	vid`	`less than the majors`
`00:14.56`	vid`	`which is why the whole prob`
`00:14.58`	`Toadkiller`	`like the old majors`
`00:15.00`	vid`	`the majors are higher in pref`
`00:15.03`	`*** join/#wowace Stephmw (n=steph@212.69.51.139)`
`00:15.04`	`Thrae`	vid`: Same as BG Pots? Those suck too
`00:15.09`	vid`	`yea about same`
`00:15.10`	vid`	`like 1260`
`00:15.14`	vid`	`but its good for a cheap heal`
`00:15.17`	`Thrae`	`That's more then the BG Pots`
`00:15.18`	vid`	`when you need to get that last hit`
`00:15.19`	`Thrae`	`Yeah`
`00:15.23`	`Toadkiller`	`combat pots are like the 2nd best regular pot`
`00:15.36`	`ckknight`	`what's the best?`
`00:15.41`	`Toadkiller`	`the regular pot`
`00:15.46`	vid`	`well theres a bunch of better ones now`
`00:15.50`	`Thrae`	`No more reason to buy Battleground-only Pots it seems`
`00:15.53`	`Barbanus`	`Hmmm I could probably get the text from the chat window, then put it into a UI that has checkboxes by each line, check the lines I want to include in the quote .. hmmm thats not so bad.`
`00:15.55`	vid`	`that are on the pvp vendor`
`00:16.00`	vid`	`that work outside BG's`
`00:16.03`	vid`	`you buy them for 1 mark`
`00:16.07`	vid`	`they heal like 2k i think`
`00:17.08`	`Toadkiller`	`Basically for 2 bg tokens each u get up to a 10 stack of pts that are identical to major mana & major heal`
`00:17.26`	`Thrae`	`Very nice`
`00:17.29`	vid`	`yea those are the new ones`
`00:17.38`	vid`	`but i was originally talking about the older ones for 1 honor point`
`00:17.42`	vid`	`hehe`
`00:17.44`	`Thrae`	`I need to go loose some WSG games for 'em`
`00:17.46`	vid`	`you got me i think tho`
`00:17.54`	vid`	`dunno if theres even a way to do what im asking`
`00:17.59`	`Thrae`	`s/loose/lose/`
`00:18.07`	`FroMaster`	`How can I see Flight Paths in Cartographer?`
`00:18.21`	vid`	`but again i just put 2 slot bar next to autobar that does the trink`
`00:18.26`	vid`	`and anchor autobar to it`
`00:18.28`	vid`	`:P`
`00:18.43`	`Thrae`	vid`: You don't have a keybind for pots?
`00:18.55`	vid`	`haha no :(`
`00:18.58`	vid`	`i know i know`
`00:18.59`	vid`	`i suck`
`00:19.03`	vid`	`i click pots :P`
`00:19.07`	`Thrae`	`Ahhhhh, now I know why you're asking for it`
`00:19.25`	vid`	`if i need to hit a pot with a keybind`
`00:19.30`	vid`	`then im already dead most likely`
`00:19.32`	vid`	`and a pot wont save me`
`00:19.36`	vid`	`cause im dying too fast`
`00:19.38`	`Barbanus`	`what class?`
`00:19.40`	vid`	`mage`
`00:19.43`	`Barbanus`	`heh`
`00:19.45`	`Barbanus`	`you get hit`
`00:19.47`	`Barbanus`	`you are dead`
`00:19.48`	`CIA-17`	`03phyber * r25471 10FuBar_GCInFu/FuBar_GCInFu.toc:`
`00:19.48`	`CIA-17`	`FuBar_GCInFu:`
`00:19.48`	`CIA-17`	`- Update TOC`
`00:19.49`	vid`	`i got one shotted twice last night`
`00:19.52`	vid`	`by rogues`
`00:19.55`	`Thrae`	vid`: But it still could be done in a macro like I said, even if you don't keybind it. If the pot doesn't exist, it'll go onto your next addition
`00:20.03`	vid`	`but i also killed about 60 people in hellfire penin in 30 mins`
`00:20.06`	`*** join/#wowace Antiar1 (n=Chris@wsip-70-184-82-98.ph.ph.cox.net)`
`00:20.26`	vid`	`yea but with my pref, im always gonna want to use combat healing pots most of the time`
`00:20.35`	vid`	`unless its dire`
`00:20.42`	vid`	`and i need those extra 400hp or whatever from the major :P`
`00:20.45`	vid`	`its not a big deal`
`00:20.46`	vid`	`hehe`
`00:20.49`	vid`	`i fixed it`
`00:20.50`	vid`	`for now`
`00:20.51`	vid`	`:D`
`00:20.54`	vid`	`and im spamming yay`
`00:21.02`	`CIA-17`	`03phyber * r25472 10Cosplay/Cosplay.toc:`
`00:21.02`	`CIA-17`	`Cosplay:`
`00:21.02`	`CIA-17`	`- Update TOC`
`00:21.04`	`Barbanus`	`SPAM!`
`00:21.19`	vid`	`yea i have a bad habit`
`00:21.29`	vid`	`i mistake , for enter`
`00:22.03`	vid`	`dunkin donuts hot chocolate ftw!!~`
`00:22.12`	vid`	`i need another one, just polished that one off`
`00:25.03`	vid`	`anyone getting BG chat in simplecombatlog window?`
`00:25.07`	`Barbanus`	vid`, you just need to spend time in a channel that has a bot that kicks you if you do X messages in Y secs :P
`00:25.17`	vid`	`hehe been in plenty`
`00:25.25`	vid`	`im oldschool irc'er :P`
`00:25.48`	vid`	`ive been around since BBS days`
`00:25.50`	`Barbanus`	`Yea, me also`
`00:26.07`	`Barbanus`	`like 9 years IRC'ing :P`
`00:26.11`	`vhaarr`	`Toadkiller: I don't see why -Combat needs to be expensive, it just has to unlock the relevant buttons?`
`00:26.14`	vid`	`old school gamer too`
`00:26.19`	`Barbanus`	`errr, like 11 actually`
`00:26.21`	vid`	`i remember when online gaming came about`
`00:26.21`	`break19`	`heh, have ya'll noticed the guard in Honor Hold, pacing by the outhouses? lol`
`00:26.44`	`Barbanus`	`lol yea`
`00:26.47`	vid`	`Kali came out to emulate IPX over TCP/IP`
`00:26.53`	`*** join/#wowace Amadeo (n=amadeo@c-69-138-205-161.hsd1.md.comcast.net)`
`00:26.56`	vid`	`and PPP`
`00:27.00`	`break19`	`she keeps saying things like "You need me to call a medic, or priest? it's been over an HOUR mate" and "hurry up" kinda thing lol`
`00:27.05`	`Harshmage`	`........you know you've played MMO's for too long when: you use /camp to quit out of irc.`
`00:27.08`	vid`	`so you could play games like Duke3d/ Descent/ ETC`
`00:27.14`	vid`	`over dialup :)`
`00:27.29`	vid`	`those were the days`
`00:27.30`	`break19`	vid`: i used to do that.
`00:27.31`	`break19`	`alot`
`00:27.33`	vid`	`4 man doom`
`00:27.34`	`break19`	`still do sometimes`
`00:27.36`	vid`	`over dialup`
`00:27.44`	vid`	`descent was fun also`
`00:27.52`	`break19`	`oh man, I loved duke.`
`00:27.55`	`kergoth`	`hehe, i remember playing doom over a null modem cable`
`00:27.56`	`kergoth`	`good fun`
`00:27.58`	vid`	`there was another program too, kali just like kahn`
`00:28.17`	vid`	`cause none of the games then had native support for tcp/ip, only ipx`
`00:28.32`	vid`	`hell no isp's used tcp/ip until like 96?`
`00:28.33`	`Barbanus`	`I remember when wolf3d came out`
`00:28.35`	`Barbanus`	`it was amazing`
`00:28.38`	`Barbanus`	`it had blood!`
`00:28.40`	vid`	`i remember text based web pages`
`00:28.47`	`kergoth`	`lynx ftw`
`00:28.51`	vid`	`like zomg its not prodigy`
`00:28.54`	vid`	`or aol`
`00:29.05`	vid`	`heh lynx :(`
`00:29.07`	`Barbanus`	`I still use lynx :P`
`00:29.08`	vid`	`nightmares`
`00:29.14`	`Barbanus`	`I used it today!`
`00:29.16`	`kergoth`	`links 2.x is nice if you want to browse in a console`
`00:29.22`	vid`	`its good in a pinch`
`00:29.27`	vid`	`if you only have console access`
`00:29.30`	`kergoth`	`will display on the framebuffer console, and supports graphics`
`00:29.42`	vid`	`i usually just use a gui and wget whatever i need if i have to :P`
`00:29.43`	`kergoth`	`so you can boot up in a 1280x1024 console and browse pretty well`
`00:29.43`	`kergoth`	`aye`
`00:30.19`	vid`	`i miss computers sometimes`
`00:30.24`	vid`	`i should get back into computer field`
`00:30.27`	`*** part/#wowace Amadeo (n=amadeo@c-69-138-205-161.hsd1.md.comcast.net)`
`00:30.31`	vid`	`its def my passion`
`00:30.34`	`kergoth`	`most of the time i wish i wasnt in the computer field`
`00:30.35`	vid`	`but i got so sick of it`
`00:30.43`	vid`	`dunno man`
`00:30.44`	vid`	`i left`
`00:30.50`	vid`	`and 1 year later i miss it every day`
`00:30.53`	vid`	`even as much as i hated it`
`00:30.58`	`kergoth`	`hmm`
`00:31.00`	`kergoth`	`odd :)`
`00:31.01`	vid`	`i hated the work but i loved tinkering and being around computers all day`
`00:31.08`	vid`	`lemme rephrase that`
`00:31.10`	`kergoth`	`peter in office space sure seemed happy in construction`
`00:31.12`	vid`	`i hated the support work`
`00:31.20`	vid`	`i worked for vonage`
`00:31.22`	`kergoth`	`not that movies are some great paradime of accuracy or anything :)`
`00:31.23`	vid`	`thats what put me over the edge`
`00:31.28`	`break19`	`support = tehlose`
`00:31.43`	`Barbanus`	`kergoth, you know the guy in office space who works between the customers and the developers?`
`00:31.45`	`*** join/#wowace Kilroo (n=Jarentha@cpe-071-076-173-175.triad.res.rr.com)`
`00:31.48`	`kergoth`	`i worked unix tech support for 3 years. it left me permanently marked.`
`00:31.56`	vid`	`lol`
`00:32.02`	`Trancer`	`kergoth: I feel sorry for you :/`
`00:32.06`	vid`	`well picture this`
`00:32.10`	vid`	`80 year old guy`
`00:32.12`	vid`	`with an oxygen tank`
`00:32.14`	`break19`	`i got out of it completely tho.. but I'm still around high tech, expensive stuff.. I'm a trucker.. and believe it or not, those rigs got some high tech computers in em :)`
`00:32.15`	`Trancer`	`but...! you have tasted BOFHism then, I hope`
`00:32.16`	vid`	`hes on 2nd floor of his house`
`00:32.21`	vid`	`his cable modem is in basement`
`00:32.24`	`kergoth`	`Barbanus: "So you physically bring the fax down to the software people?" "Well no.. my secretary does that.. or they're faxed.."`
`00:32.29`	vid`	`and hes telling me to hold on so he can go hook up the vonage router`
`00:32.30`	`kergoth`	`orw hatever`
`00:32.32`	`kergoth`	`yes, i remember :)`
`00:32.36`	`Barbanus`	`kergoth, thats me`
`00:32.37`	`kergoth`	`Barbanus: is that what you do?`
`00:32.39`	`kergoth`	`fun`
`00:32.41`	vid`	`and that if he doesnt come back to phone in 15 mins call his sister`
`00:32.42`	`Barbanus`	`lol`
`00:32.44`	vid`	`cause that means he passed out`
`00:32.51`	vid`	`im like mm okay`
`00:33.01`	`Barbanus`	`except the "customer" is the business people here :P`
`00:33.05`	`Trancer`	`I am soon the one between management and developers`
`00:33.11`	`Trancer`	`that's going to be fun!`
`00:33.13`	vid`	`plus the avaya softphone software was a piece of shit`
`00:33.17`	`kergoth`	`Trancer: quite. unfortunately, it soured me on the whole "being nice to users" thing. now i'm only nice if i'm paid.`
`00:33.17`	`Trancer`	`"management wants it pink"`
`00:33.22`	`Barbanus`	`Trancer, yea, thats more like what I do :P`
`00:33.24`	vid`	`i'd sometimes slip and hit spacebar`
`00:33.25`	`Trancer`	`"but we can only do it in green?"`
`00:33.29`	vid`	`which would drop the call`
`00:33.33`	`Trancer`	`"I don't give a rats ass, it has to be pink!"`
`00:33.33`	`kergoth`	`Trancer: good luck`
`00:33.42`	`Trancer`	`kergoth: hehe`
`00:33.50`	`Barbanus`	`Trancer, I have sat in meetings and "translated" from the business people to the programmers, and vise-versa`
`00:33.59`	vid`	`sounds fun`
`00:34.08`	`Trancer`	`Barbanus: hehe`
`00:34.17`	`Barbanus`	`it can be`
`00:34.24`	`Trancer`	`Barbanus: I think I might grow frustrated and just take up a management job`
`00:34.27`	`Barbanus`	`except when the programmers are being jackasses`
`00:34.33`	`kergoth`	`i've thought about getting into that sort of thing, more of an enterprise architectural role than development.. i find that figuring out what needs doing, designing, to be a lot more interesting that actually -doing it-`
`00:34.33`	`Barbanus`	`or the business people are`
`00:34.46`	`Trancer`	`kergoth: myeah, same here`
`00:34.52`	`Trancer`	`kergoth: that's why I went to study business`
`00:34.52`	vid`	`got any hot little office workers?`
`00:34.59`	`Trancer`	`(after getting a bachelor in CS)`
`00:35.04`	vid`	`be like hey baby, how about i give you a private translation later`
`00:35.11`	`Barbanus`	`Trancer, its challenging, I'll give it that.`
`00:35.18`	`Trancer`	`makes it fun at least`
`00:35.20`	`Barbanus`	`You have to be REALLY patient sometimes ....`
`00:35.22`	`Trancer`	`you can even learn a monkey how to code`
`00:36.12`	vid`	`degree is eh`
`00:36.12`	`Trancer`	`kergoth: if you are over 21 you can just apply`
`00:36.12`	`kergoth`	`eery time i think about leaving hte computer field, i make the mistake of looking at what people in other fields actually make a year`
`00:36.12`	`kergoth`	`then i rethink it.`
`00:36.12`	vid`	`i have a degree`
`00:36.13`	`Trancer`	`(for business that is)`
`00:36.13`	vid`	`from a good school`
`00:36.13`	vid`	`doesnt matter honestly`
`00:36.13`	vid`	`most employers are like degree? ah cool`
`00:36.13`	vid`	`what else can you do?`
`00:36.13`	vid`	`:P`
`00:36.13`	`kergoth`	`hehe. as they should be`
`00:36.13`	`Barbanus`	`vid, exactly.`
`00:36.13`	vid`	`all they really care about is experience`
`00:36.18`	`Trancer`	`best is a combination of both imho`
`00:36.20`	vid`	`ill tell you what`
`00:36.23`	`Trancer`	`degree for the cool top level stuff`
`00:36.23`	vid`	`i wish i kept my 100k`
`00:36.27`	vid`	`and worked for 4 more year`
`00:36.27`	vid`	`s`
`00:36.28`	`Trancer`	`skills for the cool low level stuff`
`00:36.30`	`Barbanus`	`experience > skills > degree IMO`
`00:36.34`	vid`	`found out what i liked`
`00:36.35`	`Barbanus`	`right now, from what I have seen anyways`
`00:36.44`	vid`	`and then went to school for a program with what i really wanted`
`00:36.47`	`Barbanus`	`only 2 out of our 14 developers have a degree`
`00:36.48`	`Trancer`	`problem is a degree says nothing anymore :(`
`00:36.52`	vid`	`yea`
`00:36.55`	`Trancer`	`I am branded for life since I started using IRC`
`00:36.58`	vid`	`i cut 50% of my classes`
`00:36.59`	`kergoth`	`i went straight out of working retail and warehouse into unix tech support, open source work, and now i make $75-85K/yr in embedded linux.. and i hate it`
`00:37.00`	`Trancer`	`too many tards on #php :/`
`00:37.02`	`kergoth`	`but what can ya do`
`00:37.08`	vid`	`and graduated with a 3.5/4 gpa`
`00:37.12`	vid`	`barely tried`
`00:37.17`	`kergoth`	`i cannot believe how much of my time get sucked away by irc`
`00:37.17`	vid`	`i breezed through`
`00:37.19`	`kergoth`	`boggles the mind`
`00:37.28`	vid`	`hell i breezed a little too much`
`00:37.32`	vid`	`i missed a few midterms one quarter`
`00:37.33`	`Trancer`	`kergoth: at least you socialize and you learn, or so`
`00:37.44`	vid`	`and had to lie my way out of that one pretty good`
`00:37.45`	vid`	`:P`
`00:37.52`	`Trancer`	`and you get packeted a lot :x`
`00:37.53`	`kergoth`	`aye, irc is a critical communications point, especially if you are involved in any open source work`
`00:37.55`	vid`	`to retake em`
`00:38.05`	`Trancer`	`yeap, know a lot of people through it`
`00:38.16`	vid`	`well`
`00:38.18`	`Trancer`	`I just hate freenode`
`00:38.20`	vid`	`irc is confined to a certain age group`
`00:38.24`	`Trancer`	`although it's better now we get no more camper spam`
`00:38.28`	vid`	`you dont see many <20 people on IRC`
`00:38.29`	`Trancer`	`frigging lilo`
`00:38.36`	vid`	`because they were never exposed to it`
`00:38.42`	vid`	`or they go, irc? ewww`
`00:38.48`	`Trancer`	`it's all MSN ;)`
`00:38.50`	`kergoth`	`true, though that depends upon the area`
`00:38.53`	vid`	`msn/aim/myspace/etc!`
`00:38.59`	vid`	`i use all that gay shit too`
`00:39.03`	`kergoth`	`my 16 year old brother is on irc all the time for his counterstrike guild and shit`
`00:39.05`	vid`	`but im an irc warrior @ heart`
`00:39.05`	`Trancer`	`efnet is still full of kids tho`
`00:39.07`	`kergoth`	`gaming`
`00:39.15`	`kergoth`	`and i know a lot of younger open source folks on freenode and oftc`
`00:39.25`	vid`	`true`
`00:39.27`	`Trancer`	`I hate the kids`
`00:39.34`	`Trancer`	`I am a bad ass IRC COP`
`00:39.39`	`kergoth`	`efnet is the devil`
`00:39.40`	`Trancer`	`they keep flooding/fucking around with bots`
`00:39.43`	`Trancer`	`crap and such`
`00:39.49`	vid`	`im on like 6 irc networks`
`00:39.58`	vid`	`and yea efnet is one :P`
`00:39.59`	vid`	`its not that bad`
`00:40.06`	`Trancer`	hehe, you are on efnet vid` ;)
`00:40.09`	vid`	`ya`
`00:40.24`	vid`	`my college is on there`
`00:40.25`	vid`	`#rit`
`00:40.26`	vid`	`:P`
`00:40.29`	`Trancer`	`ah :p`
`00:40.31`	`kergoth`	`i remember too many botnet channel takeovers and crap from when i first started on irc in 96 or 97 to dare going there now`
`00:40.57`	`Trancer`	`efnet is fine nowadays`
`00:40.58`	`Trancer`	`chanfix in place`
`00:41.04`	`Trancer`	`I've nuked most of the dronenets away`
`00:41.11`	`Trancer`	`(together with some others)`
`00:41.17`	`Trancer`	`it's mostly chit-chat and 2 - 3 packet kiddies`
`00:41.30`	`kergoth`	`ah, thats a relief :)`
`00:41.58`	`Trancer`	`next one going to hell is ircnet ;)`
`00:42.09`	vid`	`trancer you know zi?`
`00:42.10`	vid`	`lol`
`00:42.11`	vid`	`small world`
`00:42.19`	`Trancer`	`sure`
`00:42.27`	`Trancer`	`fellow oper`
`00:42.34`	vid`	`oh you are an oper there ah`
`00:42.36`	vid`	`lol`
`00:42.37`	vid`	`k`
`00:42.44`	`Trancer`	`myeah`
`00:42.48`	`Trancer`	`multiple efnet opers in this chan ;)`
`00:42.53`	vid`	`i dont know anyone in #razor anymore :P`
`00:42.54`	`Trancer`	`50% of the efnet opers plays WoW :p`
`00:43.01`	vid`	`all the guys i was friends with got arrested`
`00:43.04`	`kergoth`	`its funny how many random people from all over end up here`
`00:43.17`	vid`	`yea i found like 3 people in here other night`
`00:43.17`	`Trancer`	`yeah, know quite a bunch of people on here`
`00:43.21`	vid`	`i went to college with`
`00:43.22`	`Trancer`	`(from other places)`
`00:43.23`	`kergoth`	`i've seen 3 people that i used to work with on my openzaurus project like 4-5 years ago or something`
`00:43.38`	`Trancer`	`wow is an admins/open source muppets game`
`00:43.50`	`kergoth`	`guess it makes a certain amount of sense, any geek that knows irc and plays wow is likely to end up here`
`00:43.58`	`kergoth`	`hehe`
`00:44.02`	`Trancer`	`well it's a coding chan ;)`
`00:44.07`	`Trancer`	`better than irc.wowirc.com and such horrors`
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`00:44.47`	`kergoth`	`yeah.. it was intended to be a developer lounge, but nowadays it seems more like an addon user support forum than anything else`
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`00:44.58`	`kergoth`	`ah well`
`00:45.01`	vid`	`lol`
`00:45.05`	`kergoth`	`inevitable`
`00:45.07`	`Trancer`	`kill the offtopic! ban them all!`
`00:45.09`	vid`	`thats how shit gets fixed though!!`
`00:45.11`	`Trancer`	`(and see your chan die)`
`00:45.15`	vid`	`everything i bitch about is a bug`
`00:45.16`	vid`	`hehe`
`00:45.17`	vid`	`!!`
`00:45.30`	vid`	`and i help other people that have stupid questions when i can`
`00:45.32`	`Trancer`	`at least they are mostly coders/clued people`
`00:45.41`	`Trancer`	`so no [GUILDNAME]leetdude`
`00:45.51`	`Trancer`	`except [FH]Birdemani`
`00:45.55`	`Trancer`	`-.-`
`00:46.16`	vid`	`btw`
`00:46.20`	vid`	`if you guys havent see this yet`
`00:46.21`	vid`	`http://www.mega64.com/`
`00:46.28`	vid`	`best site ever!!`
`00:46.28`	`Trancer`	`quakenet is so horrible in that, urgh`
`00:46.42`	`Trancer`	`frigging teen queens`
`00:46.45`	`Trancer`	`making drama 24/7`
`00:46.52`	vid`	`http://www.mega64.com/mgs.htm`
`00:46.53`	vid`	`that ones good`
`00:46.54`	vid`	`lol`
`00:48.23`	`Trancer`	lol wth vid`
`00:49.06`	vid`	`http://www.mega64.com/hitman.htm`
`00:49.09`	vid`	`hitman one is good too`
`00:49.16`	vid`	`these are much better if you have actually played the game`
`00:49.18`	vid`	`btw`
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`00:50.03`	`Trancer`	`lol @ tetris`
`00:50.05`	`kergoth`	vid`: thats the nice thing, a channel like this will, given an increase in popularity over time, end up as a support channel with the power users fielding more questions than the devs, and a new lounge will have to branch off of this
`00:50.30`	`CIA-17`	`03xuerian * r25473 10XLoot/ (XLoot.lua XLootOptions.lua localization.enUS.lua): XLoot: Added 'noscan', a temporary override in Advanced options to disable Gratuity scanning, which seems to be throwing errors when used on conjunction with other mods and/or languages.`
`00:51.27`	`Trancer`	`kergoth: same we did with php on efnet`
`00:51.41`	`Trancer`	`kergoth: a dev chan and a support chan`
`00:52.34`	`kergoth`	`with openzaurus (linux distro for the old (now no longer produced) sharp zaurus pdas), the power users actually asked me to stop trying to support the users, as i was frightening them way`
`00:52.34`	`kergoth`	`s/way/away/;`
`00:52.35`	`kergoth`	`which still amuses me`
`00:52.35`	`kergoth`	`even though it probably shouldnt`
`00:52.55`	vid`	`well`
`00:53.11`	vid`	`without support, a lot of people wont use it if they cant figure it out`
`00:53.16`	vid`	`unfortunately`
`00:53.19`	vid`	`but another prob is`
`00:53.21`	vid`	`no one gets paid for this`
`00:53.26`	vid`	`and people expect everything`
`00:53.28`	`kergoth`	`indeed`
`00:53.40`	vid`	`so people have to realize they dont have the right to get support`
`00:53.42`	`Trancer`	vid`: also unny http://www.break.com/index/another_garbage_man_scare_prank.html
`00:53.43`	`kergoth`	`one of my pet peeves is users coming in asking questions without (obviously) having done even preliminary research themselves`
`00:53.43`	vid`	`and cant demand it`
`00:53.50`	`Xuerian`	`I think, as devs, some of us get a perverse pleasure and value from sniping the clueless noobs who wander in here sometimes.`
`00:53.54`	`kergoth`	`in my opinion, its a sign of disrespect`
`00:54.01`	`kergoth`	`its an assumption that the devs time is worth more than yours`
`00:54.04`	`Xuerian`	`Like the ones Kergoth mentions <.<`
`00:54.14`	`Trancer`	`perhaps make a set of rules`
`00:54.25`	`Zicon`	`xuerian: Guess why I keep quiet most of the time. ;)`
`00:54.27`	`Trancer`	`http://a.mutilation.org/`
`00:54.32`	`Trancer`	`I like those, of #mysql efnet`
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`00:54.44`	vid`	`hahahahaha`
`00:54.49`	vid`	`hahah`
`00:54.56`	vid`	`trancer`
`00:54.59`	vid`	`omfg`
`00:55.03`	`kergoth`	`if its something that isnt easily found in the docs, for example, then coming here is fine and expected, and will save time overall to ask an expert rather than spending a huge amount of time trying to find out themselves, but tha tpreliminary investigation of the docs is necessary`
`00:55.04`	vid`	`im laughing like a little girl`
`00:55.13`	`Xuerian`	`Awww, why not step out into the open, Zicon? Don't mind that flash of a reflection from the windows over there.`
`00:55.40`	`Trancer`	`kergoth: people are too lazy to read`
`00:55.45`	`Trancer`	`kergoth: they expect everything to be an Apple`
`00:56.01`	`Xuerian`	`Oooh, I like those rules, Trancer.`
`00:56.02`	`Zicon`	`Well, I have created a working icon pack for cartographer today without having to ask silly questions. Does that count for anything?`
`00:56.06`	`Trancer`	`"but I installed it and it didn't work!"`
`00:56.27`	`Xuerian`	`Purl, cheer Zicon`
`00:56.35`	`purl`	`Three cheers for Zicon! Hip hip Hurray! Hip hip Hurray! Hip hip Hurray!`
`00:56.40`	`Xuerian`	`:3`
`00:57.03`	`kergoth`	`Trancer: yes, but what they generally fail to realize is that most devs, too, are lazy`
`00:57.04`	`Xuerian`	`(Warn't being sarcastic, neither. >.>)`
`00:57.06`	`kergoth`	`Trancer: :)`
`00:57.07`	`kergoth`	`~laziness`
`00:57.09`	`purl`	`LAZINESS: The quality that makes you go to great effort to reduce overall energy expenditure. It makes you write labor-saving programs that other people will find useful, and document what you wrote so you don't have to answer so many questions about it. Hence, the first great virtue of a programmer.`
`00:57.27`	`Xuerian`	`Haha.`
`00:57.43`	`Trancer`	`kergoth: hehe, well, that's true`
`00:57.50`	`Trancer`	`man I hate users asking me how to fix their software`
`00:57.55`	`Trancer`	`especially as I abanadoned the package`
`00:57.55`	vid`	`hmm`
`00:57.59`	vid`	`you know why i love programming`
`00:58.01`	`Trancer`	`"why is there no working version?!"`
`00:58.06`	vid`	`the only reason i code`
`00:58.06`	`Trancer`	`"because you didn't code it"`
`00:58.10`	vid`	`is to automate mundane tasks`
`00:58.11`	`kenlyric\|home`	`I defy you to find a programmer that wants to write documentation.`
`00:58.15`	vid`	`that i dont want to do`
`00:58.15`	`Trancer`	`"why can't you code it?!"`
`00:58.17`	vid`	`:P`
`00:58.19`	`steev64`	`is that guy with the mods to cellular still around?`
`00:58.22`	`Trancer`	`"because I don't see a big pile of money on my desk"`
`00:58.23`	`steev64`	`kenlyric\|home: i do`
`00:58.37`	vid`	`my forte is parsing data and dumping it into tables or a database so its sortable in fields :P`
`00:58.40`	`steev64`	`kenlyric\|home: at least, if i want others to use the software im writing i do`
`00:58.50`	vid`	`who the hell processes data by hand anymore`
`00:58.54`	`Xuerian`	`kenlyric\|home: Doesn't necessarily have to be wiki-style documentation, but somewhat clearly understandable code + comments. More for the "What was I doing here..?" factor.`
`00:58.54`	vid`	`i get pissed when people ask me to do that`
`00:59.02`	vid`	`im like fuck you gimmie 2 days to write a program`
`00:59.05`	vid`	`lol`
`00:59.11`	`Xuerian`	Amen, vid`:P
`00:59.34`	vid`	`thats why i hate quickbooks`
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`00:59.49`	vid`	`dont have enoughc ontrol over the data, but every small business uses it`
`01:00.04`	vid`	`im trying to get a customer database out of my own`
`01:00.05`	`kergoth`	`i always write design documentation on my code, but thats about it, other than occasional code comments or a readme`
`01:00.10`	vid`	`and its a pain`
`01:00.28`	vid`	`i gotta rea dup on the quickbooks api and just write something to access the fields directly i guess`
`01:00.55`	`Trancer`	`I typically try to doc out as much as possiblw`
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`01:00.57`	`Trancer`	`howto's etc.`
`01:01.07`	`Trancer`	`to get as less mail as possible`
`01:01.30`	`kergoth`	`yeah, thats always good`
`01:01.45`	`kergoth`	`i find it hard to think from the end user perspective once i understand something, so it doesnt work for me`
`01:01.49`	vid`	`trancer`
`01:01.52`	vid`	`watch the re one`
`01:01.55`	vid`	`http://www.mega64.com/re4.htm`
`01:01.55`	`kergoth`	`can no longer imagine a perspective without that knowledge`
`01:01.59`	`Trancer`	`ah, I am a usability whore kergoth`
`01:02.06`	`Trancer`	`so I am pretty much into it, heh`
`01:02.08`	vid`	`he gets arrested at end`
`01:02.08`	vid`	`lol`
`01:02.12`	`Trancer`	yeah I did vid` ;)
`01:03.44`	`Trancer`	`what I hate most about development is talkin with people that are not on the same brain level`
`01:03.52`	`Trancer`	`i.e. they just don't get the concept you are trying to explain`
`01:03.59`	`Trancer`	`because they lack too much knowledge, it sucks`
`01:04.10`	`ckknight`	`yea, I hate that feeling, even now, responding to you`
`01:04.14`	`kergoth`	`hehe`
`01:04.15`	`Trancer`	`so you get into a metaphor and know you should just stop bothering as they wont be able to code anything at all anyway`
`01:04.47`	`ckknight`	`that's what your mom did last night ;-)`
`01:04.57`	`PogoTribal`	`I just thought of a mod.`
`01:04.58`	`kergoth`	`i wish i could find an intersting non computing field that actually pays enough to keep me comfortable`
`01:05.19`	`Trancer`	`ckknight: she'll be happy then :P`
`01:05.22`	`PogoTribal`	`Something that modifies a tooltip to show which quest in your quest tracker a quest item refers to!`
`01:05.25`	`JoshBorke`	`kergoth: stockbroker :-P`
`01:05.27`	`Trancer`	`kergoth: consultancy`
`01:05.37`	`Xuerian`	`PogoTribal: checked any major quest mod lately?`
`01:05.39`	`Trancer`	`http://www.huhcorp.com/strategies.htm`
`01:05.43`	`Trancer`	`work there ;)`
`01:05.45`	`PogoTribal`	`Major quest mod?`
`01:05.45`	`Thrae`	`PogoTribal: QuestFu`
`01:05.57`	`ckknight`	`kergoth: stocks?`
`01:06.01`	`Xuerian`	`PogoTribal: QuestFu, MonkeyQuest, UberQuest, etc`
`01:06.06`	`PogoTribal`	`kergoth: sell your body`
`01:06.26`	`Trancer`	`that's a one time sale tho`
`01:06.33`	`Trancer`	`you need to invest that money, or it'll be worthless!`
`01:06.34`	`Thrae`	`PogoTribal: The average human body is worth about $0.5 in parts.`
`01:06.45`	`Xuerian`	`Kergoth - Azerothian Gigalo.`
`01:06.47`	`kergoth`	`Trancer: hahah, huhcorp.com rocks`
`01:06.48`	`Trancer`	`better to sell one limp a year`
`01:06.50`	vid`	`no way`
`01:06.54`	vid`	`organs are wortha lot`
`01:06.58`	vid`	`:P`
`01:07.02`	`Trancer`	`they are, in china :p`
`01:07.04`	vid`	`and skin`
`01:07.07`	`Trancer`	`kergoth: yeah, they rock ;)`
`01:07.14`	vid`	`skin is $$ for burn victims`
`01:07.24`	`Kemayo`	`PogoTribal: QuestsFu does it. It's even updated for the New Way Of Tooltips.`
`01:07.26`	`Thrae`	`Not the chemical compositions that make up your body ;)`
`01:07.30`	`kergoth`	`i always liked http://www.offshoreexecutive.com/`
`01:07.42`	`Thrae`	`Kemayo: OnTooltipUpdate?`
`01:07.52`	`Kemayo`	`Yup.`
`01:07.53`	`PogoTribal`	`Thanks, checkin out QuestFu now`
`01:08.08`	`Arrowmaster`	`muahaha its finished, i have something fucking sweet now, an exe to extract sellvales from itemcache.wdb and write them to a file for ColaLight`
`01:08.26`	`kergoth`	`Arrowmaster: nice`
`01:08.29`	`JoshBorke`	`Arrowmaster: nice`
`01:08.42`	`ckknight`	vid`: bones are also sellable
`01:08.47`	vid`	`Update: due to the violence at the current anti-globalisation protests, we have temporarily removed the customer list. Contact us for more information.`
`01:08.51`	vid`	`lol`
`01:08.52`	`Thrae`	`Kemayo: What's better about hooking OnTooltipUpdate then hooking SetUnit, et. all?`
`01:09.06`	`Kemayo`	`PogoTribal: The relevant hook is on line 260, and the function adding things to the tooltip is on 401.`
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`01:09.53`	`Kemayo`	`Thrae: It's simpler code. This helps my poor brain, you see.`
`01:10.18`	`Thrae`	`Heh.`
`01:10.57`	`Kemayo`	`Thrae: Instead of a hook function that generates a lot of anonymous functions to hook all the different tooltip SetFoo functions, and knows about all the ways to get the item info after that, it's just the one hook.`
`01:12.09`	`Kemayo`	`Admittedly the traditional method can be cut down in complexity now that we have tooltip:GetItem(), but it's still a lot more hassle unless you really do want to only show up under certain criteria.`
`01:12.14`	`Thrae`	`Kemayo: Yeah, I guess I can see how for you it would be a boon.`
`01:12.39`	`Trancer`	`kergoth: but consultancy for a company product pays quite well`
`01:12.44`	`Trancer`	`kergoth: especially if international`
`01:12.51`	`Kemayo`	`Yeah, for anyone who just wants to show up on every single item tooltip, it's way easier.`
`01:12.56`	`Thrae`	`Although I haven't tested when OnTooltipUpdate is called.`
`01:13.31`	`Thrae`	`If it's called whenever the tooltip is actually updated and not just when it's pushed a value into Lua, then that would be uber.`
`01:13.43`	`Kemayo`	`Thrae: Wait, I'm sorry, I misread your earlier question. I'm using OnTooltipSetItem.`
`01:13.54`	`PogoTribal`	`I dunno what the hell you're talking about.`
`01:13.56`	`Thrae`	`Kemayo: Right.`
`01:13.58`	`PogoTribal`	`So I'll just use QuestFu.`
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`01:14.37`	`kenlyric\|home`	`so, a big cheer to whoever implented see-through circles for cart_quest and cart_vendor`
`01:14.53`	`kergoth`	`question, why is that good?`
`01:15.26`	`ckknight`	`kenlyric\|home: hrm, should probably make it generic and not Herb/Mining/Treasure-specific...`
`01:15.30`	`Kemayo`	`The circles? Because otherwise you can't see whether a nearby quest-dude has a minimap dot for an active quest.`
`01:15.40`	`Kemayo`	`ckknight: I asked you to do that ages ago. :-P`
`01:15.42`	`kergoth`	`ahh`
`01:15.47`	`Kemayo`	`ckknight: Bow to my whims!`
`01:16.01`	`ckknight`	`your mom bowed to my whims last night.`
`01:16.11`	`Kemayo`	`Yeah, she should stop doing that.`
`01:16.14`	`ckknight`	`if you know what I mean`
`01:16.27`	`Kemayo`	`I mean, it's just embarassing for me.`
`01:16.56`	`Kemayo`	`It's bad enough when people make your mom jokes without them being truthful into the bargain.`
`01:20.34`	`Xuerian`	`.... And the room goes silent.`
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`01:22.32`	`grennon`	`shift-clicking to link quests/items isnt working for me since installing expac`
`01:22.45`	`grennon`	`anyone else get that?`
`01:22.59`	`Thrae`	`That's weird...slouken said there's no difference in the UI`
`01:23.11`	`Thrae`	`Maybe it's the latest patch that's doing it?`
`01:23.19`	`CIA-17`	`03galeni * r25474 10/trunk/ (7 files in 2 dirs): HoT/DoT timer in CandyBar style.`
`01:24.54`	`kergoth`	`yeah.. i was hoping it wasnt that`
`01:24.54`	`kergoth`	`hehe`
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`01:26.15`	`kergoth`	`Thrae: hehe, thatd be funny`
`01:26.31`	`kergoth`	`you know..`
`01:26.35`	`kergoth`	`i wonder`
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`01:26.54`	`kergoth`	`anyone ever make an svn:externals pointing at a directory in the repository that has it? recursive externals ftl?`
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`01:27.16`	`Xuerian`	`Seems like svn itself would take that into account.`
`01:27.46`	`kergoth`	`well, itd be almost impossible to prevent every possible cycle based on the url, itd had to just not follow external properties on paths fetched via an external`
`01:27.50`	`kergoth`	`which is probably the case`
`01:28.16`	`Xuerian`	`It'd be hella' fun if you're right, tho.`
`01:28.35`	`CIA-17`	`03galeni * r25475 10/trunk/BantoBar.tga: Wrong import`
`01:28.43`	`kergoth`	`lol`
`01:28.47`	`kergoth`	`damnit galeni`
`01:28.57`	`CIA-17`	`03galeni * r25476 10/trunk/BantoBarReverse.tga: Wrong import`
`01:29.01`	`CIA-17`	`03galeni * r25477 10/trunk/HotMan.lua: Wrong import`
`01:29.05`	`kergoth`	`we have a seperate repository for learning how the fucking tools work`
`01:29.05`	`CIA-17`	`03galeni * r25478 10/trunk/HotMan.toc: Wrong import`
`01:29.11`	`CIA-17`	`03galeni * r25479 10/trunk/smooth.tga: Wrong import`
`01:29.15`	`CIA-17`	`03galeni * r25480 10/trunk/Steel.tga: Wrong import`
`01:29.21`	`kergoth`	`and doing one commit for each file is a joke`
`01:29.45`	`kergoth`	`Kaelten: i'd advise talking to galeni. he should not be committing to the public svn until he knows how to use svn, have him use the sandbox`
`01:30.31`	`Xuerian`	`I know it's been suggested before, but we really need something along the lines of a requirement to be in IRC if you're making a commit.`
`01:30.52`	`kergoth`	`i wouldnt mind at least having the emails of everyone with an account`
`01:30.55`	`kergoth`	`but irc would be better yet`
`01:31.18`	`CIA-17`	`03galeni * r25481 10HotMan/ (8 files in 2 dirs): HotMan: a HoT and DoT display mod for druids`
`01:31.53`	`Trancer`	`it's no longer in candybar style`
`01:31.54`	`kergoth`	`how many hot candybar addons do we have in svn now?`
`01:32.00`	`kergoth`	`hotcandy, hotman, chronometer...`
`01:32.17`	`Trancer`	`make candymeter`
`01:32.34`	`Zicon`	`Mmmm, candy.`
`01:32.38`	`Xuerian`	`Or Pixistix.`
`01:32.51`	`kergoth`	`pixie stix are evil :)`
`01:33.12`	`Xuerian`	`Oh, pure evil. I'm just glad they haven't made a cream soda flavored variety yet.`
`01:33.15`	`Trancer`	`they make a PezDispenser`
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`01:33.26`	`Trancer`	`pixie stix, hmrz.. 2:33 AM, hungry now.`
`01:34.17`	`kergoth`	`damnit, didnt finish my task at work, and its very high priority, in danger of holding up the release, and have no idea whats causing the problem`
`01:34.27`	`kergoth`	`and it takes like 30 minutes for each test`
`01:34.42`	`kergoth`	`assuming theres actually an unused device to test on`
`01:34.48`	`kergoth`	`gotta love software development`
`01:35.03`	`Xuerian`	`o.o;`
`01:35.19`	`kergoth`	`30 minutes -in overhead-, that is. no actual running of the test in that time`
`01:35.43`	`Xuerian`	`Owch o.0;`
`01:35.43`	`Thrae`	`kergoth: Just go play some WoW and blame Microsoft when it comes back to you.`
`01:36.43`	`kergoth`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:37.24`	`Xuerian`	`purl, console Kergoth`
`01:37.25`	`purl`	`ACTION gives Kergoth the consolation moose`
`01:37.32`	`Xuerian`	`purl, comfort Kergoth`
`01:37.34`	`purl`	`There, there, Kergoth. It's OK. I'm here for you.`
`01:37.38`	`Xuerian`	`Where's the lap one....`
`01:37.51`	`Xuerian`	`purl, lapdance Kergoth`
`01:38.01`	`Xuerian`	`Sorry, Kergy :(`
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`01:43.08`	`Cyrez`	`It always this quiet?`
`01:44.06`	`Xuerian`	`No, Cyrez! It's all your fault!`
`01:44.27`	`Kirkburn`	`Hah, visit the #wowwiki channel, then you'll know how quiet it can be ;)`
`01:44.39`	`Xuerian`	`... There's a wowwiki channel? >.>`
`01:44.45`	`Kirkburn`	`Yep`
`01:44.52`	`Xuerian`	`Oh <.<...`
`01:45.04`	`Kirkburn`	`It's only been on the front page of the wiki for the last month :P`
`01:45.15`	`Saroz`	`Hrrm, is there a feature to enter coordinates into cartographer and have it highlight something on the map? So if you read the coordinates on thott, you can quickly find it`
`01:45.26`	`Xuerian`	`This makes me feel a little bit like I've been giving wowwiki one night stands...`
`01:45.31`	`Cyrez`	`Any of you talking people write/hack addons?`
`01:45.46`	`Xuerian`	`We just pretend to.`
`01:45.49`	`Thrae`	`Cyrez: No, this is a pr0n channel.`
`01:45.56`	`Cyrez`	`lol`
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`01:46.21`	`Cyrez`	`I don't think like a coder, myself.`
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`01:49.04`	`Xuerian`	`Sooo, those Bears!`
`01:49.44`	`ckknight`	`accursed bears.`
`01:50.06`	`ckknight`	`Cyrez: I tend to code addons.`
`01:50.09`	`grennon`	`a friend of mine just requested i make him a mod called "prospector"`
`01:50.17`	`ckknight`	`Saroz: /note x,y`
`01:50.22`	`ckknight`	`Saroz: also, /tloc x,y works`
`01:50.22`	`grennon`	`shift click to automatically split a stack of ore into fives`
`01:50.27`	`Kirkburn`	`Since it was brought up: the WoWWiki has it's own channel for wiki article (and general warcraft universe) discussion - #wowwiki (it's not actually that quiet :)`
`01:50.28`	`Cyrez`	`I know, I use some of yours. Love 'em. <3`
`01:50.37`	`ckknight`	`Cyrez: :-)`
`01:51.19`	`Cyrez`	`I've only hacked Fubar_DamageMetersFu2 for WoW 11100 to make it 20003 compatible. It loaded after I changed the .toc but I had to hack the .lua as well.`
`01:51.36`	`Cyrez`	`The text next to the icon was broken and causing two errors.`
`01:51.52`	`Cyrez`	`It was just missing some square brackets.`
`01:52.17`	`Cyrez`	`Then it was all happy.`
`01:53.07`	`Cyrez`	`After that, I stripped out the need for the libraries in the .toc since they were redundant in hopes of decreasing the overhead slightly but I don't know enough to know if it actually made a difference.`
`01:55.12`	`Cyrez`	`But if it loads a seperate instance of all those libs then it'll make a difference if they all share one set instead of having their own set if there's a dozen and a half copies.`
`01:56.14`	`Cyrez`	`So I wanna make a shell script to fix all the .toc's that load libraries that FuBar itself is loading anyway and see what the performance thingy says.`
`01:57.52`	`Cyrez`	`There's a lot of stuff I've been avoiding because I've been using SVN to get and update a lot of my addons.`
`01:58.15`	`Cyrez`	`Can't change a single byte without getting a red X on the folder. ><`
`01:58.19`	`Xuerian`	`Cyrez: wowaceupdater.sf.net`
`01:58.40`	`CIA-17`	`03arjuna * r25482 10FuBar_switcherFu/ (. FuBar_switcherFu.toc):`
`01:58.40`	`CIA-17`	`FuBar_switcherFu`
`01:58.40`	`CIA-17`	`- TOC update`
`01:59.09`	`Cyrez`	`I know about it but I'm using TortoiseSVN.`
`01:59.29`	`Cyrez`	`Two clicks and I'm done. :)`
`01:59.45`	`Cyrez`	`Wait, three.`
`01:59.47`	`Arrowmaster`	`its the same with WAU`
`01:59.51`	`Cyrez`	`Yeah, three.`
`02:00.02`	`Arrowmaster`	`which your better off using if you dont have an svn account`
`02:00.53`	`Cyrez`	`I get other stuff from SVN as well.`
`02:02.00`	`Cyrez`	`I can take care of most of my addons in one shot.`
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`02:03.17`	`CIA-17`	`03galeni * r25483 10HotMan/HotMan.toc: HotMan: Fixing TOC`
`02:05.41`	`Cyrez`	`That, and there's some FuBar plugins that aren't available there that I use.`
`02:05.55`	`Cyrez`	`Right now, there's only two.`
`02:06.52`	`Arrowmaster`	`if its not available from wau and its in trunk then its a pre 2.0 addon`
`02:07.35`	`CIA-17`	`03galeni * r25484 10HotMan/ (HotMan.toc libs/): HotMan: Fixing TOC`
`02:07.52`	`Cyrez`	`Is Fubar_FishingBuddyFu on there?`
`02:09.43`	`Cyrez`	`That's still being updated. It comes with Fishing Buddy but it's not on the trunk.`
`02:15.42`	`CIA-17`	`03derkyle * r25485 10ItemSync/ (4 files in 3 dirs):`
`02:15.42`	`CIA-17`	`ItemSync:`
`02:15.42`	`CIA-17`	`- Fixed: an issue with negative values in the ItemID.`
`02:15.42`	`CIA-17`	`- Updated: _removeNegative function.`
`02:15.42`	`CIA-17`	`- Removed: Icon tooltip from looting window.`
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`02:16.34`	`tlund`	`~seen derkyle`
`02:16.58`	`purl`	`i haven't seen 'derkyle', tlund`
`02:28.40`	`KarlThePagan`	`Kaelten, ping - how's KCI? which branch are you updating?`
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`02:28.58`	`Thorgard`	`Zug zug.`
`02:31.47`	`steev64`	`yay`
`02:31.54`	`steev64`	`blood elf rogue <3`
`02:32.31`	`Antiarc\|Home`	`Attempt to index local "v" (a userdata value)`
`02:32.41`	`Antiarc\|Home`	`I guess you can't inspect CooldownFrames?`
`02:32.53`	`CIA-17`	`03galeni * r25486 10HotMan/HotMan.lua: HotMan: Removed some unused functions`
`02:36.32`	`Barbanus`	`hmmm agUF doesnt seem to be updating when someone tags a mob that I have targetted`
`02:37.27`	`sergio`	`i think it does on health updates only`
`02:37.30`	`Saroz`	`agUF ignores debuff highlight setting`
`02:37.31`	`Saroz`	`:\|`
`02:38.24`	`Thorgard`	`Anyone know of a mod that'll resize the 'itemlink' tooltip (the one you get when you click on an item in the chat)?`
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`02:39.36`	`stavmar`	`Bug sack is repoting this error, Is something wrong with Mendeleev or the Babble library http://ace.pastey.net/5213`
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`02:40.02`	`CIA-17`	`03kergoth * r25487 10kEnergy/addon.lua: kEnergy: fix silly drycode mistake.`
`02:40.17`	`Barbanus`	`Mendeleev thinks that there is still a mob called "Lord Kazzak", but babble knows better`
`02:40.27`	`Barbanus`	`"Lord Kazzak" is now "Doom Lord Kazzak"`
`02:41.00`	`RUBiK`	`iirc, mendeelev on svn had that kazzak update done recently?`
`02:41.24`	`Thorgard`	`My server's dying.`
`02:41.52`	`Cyrez`	`Which server?`
`02:42.04`	`Thorgard`	`Uldaman, US`
`02:42.09`	`Cyrez`	`Oooo.`
`02:42.47`	`Thorgard`	`We've got that early open beta lootlag going on. ;P`
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`02:50.12`	`Kaelten`	`Thorgard: ewe`
`02:50.14`	`Kaelten`	`that sucks`
`02:50.55`	`Thorgard`	`Kaelten, oh yeah, takes 5 minutes to loot a corpse (provided you survive 'cause mobs can kill you while you're trying to loot/talk to a NPC/etc.). ;P`
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`02:51.13`	`Thorgard`	`It's all fun and games 'til someone drowns on land and stuff..`
`02:51.45`	`Kaelten`	`heh`
`02:51.48`	`Kaelten`	`I remember that shit, it sucked`
`02:51.56`	`Kaelten`	`havn't seen that in goin on two years though`
`02:52.08`	`Kaelten`	`tracs back up`
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`02:54.48`	`ckknight`	`hey all`
`02:55.06`	`pogotribal`	`Still no guild mailing list mods.`
`02:55.26`	`Amadeo`	`sup ck`
`02:55.26`	`Gagorian`	`Greetings ckknight`
`02:55.34`	`ckknight`	`problem with that is that it'd take like 5 minutes to send out messages to everyone.`
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`02:56.22`	`pogotribal`	`Not really... I used to send out to 20 people in about a minute.`
`02:56.33`	`steev64`	`yeah... most guilds are like 200`
`02:56.35`	`pogotribal`	`And it's stll better than copy/pasting the message and typing each recipient out individually.`
`02:56.36`	`steev64`	`or 100 at least`
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`02:56.40`	`Kaelten`	`so if you have 300 peopl in your guild?`
`02:56.44`	`Kaelten`	`ewe`
`02:56.44`	`pogotribal`	`I used it to send to officers.`
`02:56.55`	`pogotribal`	`Which was 16 officers.`
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`02:57.05`	`kergoth`	`hmm`
`02:57.24`	`kergoth`	`JTips is kinda nice, would be nice if you could hold down shift to see the original tooltip though, for when you want to see if you should upgrade an enchant or something`
`02:57.29`	`pogotribal`	`That's why it was a great mod, it would compile a recipient list based on who was an officer, or other variables like class, level, etc.`
`02:59.08`	`Amadeo`	`What's the best database for TBC items right now?`
`02:59.12`	`Amadeo`	`website, that is`
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`03:00.00`	`Kaelten`	`Amadeo: looked at c-gs?`
`03:00.29`	`Amadeo`	`what's that?`
`03:00.39`	`Kaelten`	`http://wow.curse-gaming.com/en/`
`03:00.43`	`Amadeo`	`oh, haha`
`03:00.46`	`Kaelten`	`they have a search box there on the top of the page`
`03:01.01`	`Amadeo`	`Well, I mainly want to look into what people can make with the new professions`
`03:01.02`	`Kaelten`	`http://wow.curse-gaming.com/en/database/items/?q=`
`03:01.08`	`Kaelten`	`there is the database section itself`
`03:01.09`	`Amadeo`	`I'm thinking of getting rid of Engineering and going with Blacksmithing`
`03:01.21`	`Amadeo`	`thanks :)`
`03:01.51`	`kergoth`	`i like wowhead myself`
`03:01.57`	`kergoth`	`hmm, wonder what the new eng gadgets are`
`03:02.07`	`Amadeo`	`I've seen some, they don't look that amazing`
`03:02.07`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`crappy ones.`
`03:02.12`	`Amadeo`	`that's why I may switch`
`03:02.48`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`THere's a mote extractor, the health/mana injectors, another teleporter.. and that's most of the neat stuff`
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`03:03.39`	`Amadeo`	`The only good thing about Engineering to me is the grenades...because everything else fails too much or just doesn't benefit you enough`
`03:04.56`	`kergoth`	`i never even use those, dont think i've used eng for anythign but the teleporter and jumper cables in a long, long time`
`03:04.57`	`kergoth`	`heh`
`03:04.59`	`RUBiK`	`anyone know how to make ag_UF target frame NOT cut off target's name and replace end with '...'?`
`03:05.02`	`kergoth`	`maybe i should switch to something else`
`03:05.06`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`where's the other teleporter go to?`
`03:05.35`	`Thrae`	`I love Engineering with my Druid. Most of the items can be used in Feral form.`
`03:05.49`	`Amadeo`	`kergoth: That's my thinking, I just hate to do it...I'm afraid some awesome new schematic will drop and I'll regret it :P`
`03:05.53`	`kergoth`	`hehe`
`03:06.00`	`kergoth`	`knowing murphy's law..`
`03:06.26`	`Amadeo`	`I can't afford to waste trinket slots on engineering either`
`03:06.29`	`Thrae`	`Druids should be Engineering/Alchemy when they get to Level 60 ;)`
`03:06.35`	`Amadeo`	`stuff like the gnomish net never works`
`03:06.47`	`Thrae`	`Amadeo: Works fine for me`
`03:06.56`	`Thrae`	`I use it in WSG all the time`
`03:06.58`	`kergoth`	`i dont find the explosives that useful.. as a rogue, i need my initial attack out of stealth, and using an explosive breaks my stealth`
`03:07.03`	`Thrae`	`Especially the Goblin Rocket Helmet`
`03:07.09`	`Amadeo`	`I think I've had the net work maybe once in 50 times`
`03:07.15`	`Amadeo`	`the rest of the time it just roots me, or both of us`
`03:07.34`	`Thrae`	`Well as a Druid, netting myself isn't that big a deal`
`03:07.37`	`Amadeo`	`yeah`
`03:07.51`	`Amadeo`	`As a Warrior, you just kill yourself`
`03:07.59`	`Thrae`	`And I'm also immune to the Gnomish Mind Control Cap's failure in forms`
`03:08.28`	`Amadeo`	`MC cap is worthless now`
`03:08.41`	`Thrae`	`It has its uses, very situational`
`03:08.44`	`Cyrez`	`I like explosives as a rogue when my stealth is already broken and the tank is taking hits from all sides.`
`03:08.57`	`Amadeo`	`"increased chance of failure when used against targets over level 60", and can't use in combat anymore`
`03:09.08`	`Amadeo`	`aka - it'll never work`
`03:09.16`	`Thrae`	`What many people overlook are the Reflectors though. Not only do they add +15 of what they reflect, they also...reflect.`
`03:09.34`	`Thrae`	`Amadeo: Yeah, that just means there'll be something better past 300`
`03:09.57`	`Amadeo`	`Thrae: Well I hope so, but nothing on the sites show anything like it so far :(`
`03:10.18`	`Cyrez`	`How often does the Eng stuff that say it can screw up somehow, eh, screw up?`
`03:10.28`	`Cyrez`	`Like that belt that might banish you?`
`03:10.29`	`Thrae`	`Cyrez: Depends on the item.`
`03:10.38`	`anenigma`	`Thrae: Yeah just like the upgraded net-o-matic. Cept it's a tailor made trinket. And doesn't backfire.`
`03:10.47`	`Amadeo`	`Cyrez: The good stuff fails all the time`
`03:10.47`	`Thorgard`	`Woot. Server Shutdown.`
`03:11.02`	`Amadeo`	`anenigma: I've actually considered tailoring on my Warrior just for that`
`03:11.03`	`Cyrez`	`I figured as much but the desc are always so vague...`
`03:11.17`	`Cyrez`	`It's like, "Oh, BTW, they might just explode..."`
`03:11.52`	`anenigma`	`Yeah I didn't mind failures when the trinkets had awesome effects`
`03:11.56`	`anenigma`	`like 5k deathrays`
`03:12.02`	`break19`	`I use a goblin dragon gun on my hunter.. more for cool factor than anything else.. also mithril mechanical dragonling is cool`
`03:12.15`	`break19`	`a hunter with 2 combat pets... heh`
`03:12.17`	`Amadeo`	`I dunno, I just find that the good engineering items normally take up a slot that you give up either a ton of stats or utility for...and then the effect isn't that great, or it doesn't work at all`
`03:13.07`	`Thrae`	`Amadeo: http://www.thottbot.com/beta?i=10176 <-- Polymorph and +45 Stamina`
`03:13.14`	`Cyrez`	`The Gnomish Universal Remote doesn't work on the mini mechs that are summoned in by the goblins in the Foundry in VC.`
`03:13.46`	`Amadeo`	`Thrae: That's pretty nice, but I'm sure the failure rate is like 70% :P Stamina is good though`
`03:14.38`	`kergoth`	`http://thottbott.com/beta?i=12962 - hehe`
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`03:15.09`	`Amadeo`	`oh`
`03:15.12`	`Amadeo`	`it's not a real polymorph`
`03:15.16`	`Amadeo`	`it just reduces damage`
`03:15.19`	`Amadeo`	`so meh`
`03:16.03`	`Amadeo`	`and, it only reduces damage until they're hit`
`03:16.50`	`Amadeo`	`doesn't let casters cast though`
`03:16.52`	`Amadeo`	`that's decent`
`03:17.08`	`Amadeo`	`"Transforms the enemy into a chicken that cannot cast, and does 66% less damage for up to 15 sec or until they are damaged."`
`03:22.59`	`CIA-17`	`03rabbit * r25488 10ClosetGnome_Switcher/ (13 files in 3 dirs):`
`03:22.59`	`CIA-17`	`ClosetGnome_Switcher:`
`03:23.00`	`CIA-17`	`<PROTECTED>`
`03:23.00`	`CIA-17`	`<PROTECTED>`
`03:23.39`	`CIA-17`	`03rabbit * r25489 10ClosetGnome_Mount/ (ClosetGnome_Mount.lua ClosetGnome_Mount.toc libs/): ClosetGnome_Mount: Use a local battleground zone table instead of Tourist and embed Babble-Zone instead, less footprint and overhead.`
`03:26.16`	`CIA-17`	`03rabbit * r25490 10ClosetGnome_Switcher/libs/: ClosetGnome_Switcher: Set externals, not ignore.`
`03:29.25`	`art3mis`	`wait`
`03:29.28`	`art3mis`	`chickens cant cast?`
`03:29.34`	`art3mis`	`boooooo`
`03:29.41`	`CIA-17`	`03next96 * r25491 10Cartographer_Herbalism/addon.lua:`
`03:29.41`	`CIA-17`	`Cartographer_Herbalism :`
`03:29.41`	`CIA-17`	`- Update locale koKR`
`03:31.06`	`break19`	`bok bok b-gok`
`03:31.54`	`CIA-17`	`03next96 * r25492 10Cartographer_Mining/addon.lua:`
`03:31.54`	`CIA-17`	`Cartographer_Mining :`
`03:31.54`	`CIA-17`	`- Update locale koKR`
`03:34.29`	`CIA-17`	`03next96 * r25493 10Cartographer_Quests/addon.lua:`
`03:34.29`	`CIA-17`	`Cartographer_Quests :`
`03:34.30`	`CIA-17`	`- Update locale koKR`
`03:35.18`	`*** join/#wowace Tomed (i=Tomed@68.45.74.114)`
`03:35.52`	`Cyrez`	`Hey, I use those....`
`03:37.29`	`Thrae`	`I might just go to Alchemy as a required profession -- http://www.thottbot.com/beta?i=14775`
`03:37.40`	`CIA-17`	`03next96 * r25494 10Cartographer_Mining/addon.lua:`
`03:37.40`	`CIA-17`	`Cartographer_Mining :`
`03:37.40`	`CIA-17`	`- Update locale koKR`
`03:37.40`	`CIA-17`	`- sorry typo fix`
`03:37.46`	`*** join/#wowace Nomad_Wanderer (n=chatzill@cpe-66-66-149-60.rochester.res.rr.com)`
`03:38.22`	`CIA-17`	`03rabbit * r25495 10aUF_Banzai/aUF_Banzai.lua: aUF_Banzai: Should fix raid coloring, according to some people. Since I don't have any raids to test in any more, I can't verify, however.`
`03:38.52`	`Nomad_Wanderer`	`Hi.. can someone point me to a simple addon that adds x,y coords to the minimap, and thats it?`
`03:39.12`	`CIA-17`	`03next96 * r25496 10Cartographer_Quests/addon.lua:`
`03:39.12`	`CIA-17`	`Cartographer_Quests :`
`03:39.13`	`CIA-17`	`- Update locale koKR`
`03:39.13`	`CIA-17`	`- sorry typo fix`
`03:39.15`	`Nomad_Wanderer`	`I use cartographer for all other mapping needs, but noticed that I'd like coords near the minimap`
`03:40.41`	`CIA-17`	`03next96 * r25497 10Cartographer_Trainers/addon.lua:`
`03:40.41`	`CIA-17`	`Cartographer_Trainers :`
`03:40.41`	`CIA-17`	`- Update locale koKR`
`03:41.06`	`Cyrez`	`I use Cartographer with MapNotes and WoWKB.`
`03:41.24`	`Thrae`	`Cyrez: Are you serious?`
`03:41.25`	`Nomad_Wanderer`	`but to see the coords you have to open the map right?`
`03:41.35`	`Thrae`	`Nomad_Wanderer: Try SimpleMinimap.`
`03:41.49`	`Nomad_Wanderer`	`Thanks for the suggestion. I will check it out`
`03:41.55`	`Cyrez`	`Yeah, I am.`
`03:42.13`	`Thrae`	`Cyrez: Cartographer is a replacement for MapNotes.`
`03:42.40`	`Cyrez`	`I know but WoWKB won't talk to it.`
`03:43.11`	`Thrae`	`Well you can just use the coords in the WoWKB database`
`03:43.22`	`Thrae`	`MobInfo2 is more up-to-date too.`
`03:44.17`	`CIA-17`	`03next96 * r25498 10Cartographer_Vendors/addon.lua:`
`03:44.17`	`CIA-17`	`Cartographer_Vendors :`
`03:44.17`	`CIA-17`	`- Update locale koKR`
`03:44.45`	`Nomad_Wanderer`	`This is exactly what I was looking for. Thanks thrae`
`03:45.20`	`Cyrez`	`I know, I have that. I wanna see it ported to Ace2 or at least see it gain external support for MobHealth3.`
`03:46.00`	`Cyrez`	`As it is, you can't adjust the precision.`
`03:47.18`	`vhaarr`	`~seen sairen`
`03:47.50`	`purl`	`sairen <n=Miranda@p549E7536.dip.t-dialin.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 4d 13h 41m 12s ago, saying: 'as far as I remember it didn't work that way (OnEnable)'.`
`03:47.50`	`Cyrez`	`I had to clear the whole DB because I kept finding values that were wrong when WoW hit 2.0.1.`
`03:48.38`	`Kaelten`	`guys heads up`
`03:48.42`	`Kaelten`	`we're moving servers tonight`
`03:48.51`	`art3mis`	`noooooooooooooooooooooooo`
`03:48.59`	`Saroz`	`ZOMG`
`03:49.05`	`steev64`	`moving servers...`
`03:49.16`	`vhaarr`	`yay!`
`03:49.24`	`steev64`	`you mean like svn and whatnot?`
`03:49.35`	`vhaarr`	`And the best part is .. it'll happen while I'm asleep.`
`03:49.37`	`vhaarr`	`\o/`
`03:50.14`	`Kaelten`	`ya everything.`
`03:50.22`	`Kaelten`	`for most people site should be reaccesable sometime tommorow.`
`03:50.33`	`steev64`	`ok - for a sec i thought you were talkin irc ;~`
`03:50.36`	`steev64`	`er, ;)`
`03:50.44`	`Cyrez`	`Will SVN be faster?`
`03:51.04`	`Kaelten`	`Cyrez: hopefully :)`
`03:51.08`	`Saroz`	`FTW!`
`03:51.24`	`art3mis`	`will all the addons work better and faster and through thought of will alone?`
`03:51.34`	`Kaelten`	`art3mis: um..... if you so believe....`
`03:51.36`	`Cyrez`	`A couple of KB/s would double my bandwidth. :)`
`03:51.38`	`art3mis`	`yay!`
`03:51.42`	`art3mis`	`heh`
`03:51.50`	`art3mis`	`wowace is the new skynet`
`03:52.12`	`Cyrez`	`And when I say a couple I mean a couple... I'm on cable and I barely get 2KB/s. ><`
`03:52.19`	`Kaelten`	`well the port its on as far as bandwith is much fatter`
`03:52.36`	`art3mis`	`someday well have to send someone back in time to impregnate some chick so that kael will survive`
`03:53.20`	`Kaelten`	`lol`
`03:53.34`	`art3mis`	`is yer mom hot?`
`03:53.36`	`art3mis`	`;)`
`03:53.49`	`Kaelten`	`um.....`
`03:53.54`	`art3mis`	`cuz thatll influence who gets sent back ;P`
`03:53.56`	`Kaelten`	`if you so believe`
`03:54.01`	`kergoth`	`bah, character creation is disabled on arathor`
`03:54.07`	`kergoth`	`gonna have to c reate one on suramar and move it over`
`03:54.49`	`cynyr_`	`mmm my server is crashing again...`
`03:55.13`	`art3mis`	`i blame the hellfire welcome bear`
`03:56.32`	`break19`	`my mom was hot when she was my age.. and my dad was a handsome devil..`
`03:56.34`	`pogotribal`	`sigh, detheroc down`
`03:56.44`	`break19`	`damn shame I got NEITHER of those genes :/`
`03:56.59`	`pogotribal`	`yeah Kergoth, I wanted to create a character on Arathor so I can rename my paladin`
`03:57.07`	`cynyr_`	`pogotribal: yep... again...`
`03:57.21`	`pogotribal`	`I wonder if someone that's already on Arathor can create new characters`
`03:57.37`	`steev64`	`no`
`03:57.43`	`cynyr_`	`i would think so.. as it would not add to the que....`
`03:57.49`	`steev64`	`nope`
`03:57.59`	`steev64`	`if there is a queue character creation is disabled for all`
`03:57.59`	`cynyr_`	`pogotribal: dethroc is back up for the time being`
`03:58.29`	`pogotribal`	`I guess I'll try to get back on.`
`03:58.37`	`pogotribal`	`I wanna get my mage to 58.`
`04:01.02`	`*** join/#wowace [F1] (n=rsx@d154-20-151-133.bchsia.telus.net)`
`04:01.06`	`steev64`	`this arcane stuff the bloodelves have is kinda sweet`
`04:02.56`	`[F1]`	`any agUF users here find that when someone beats you to the tag on a mob, your Target frame doesn't update and grey out the mob unless you deselect and retarget itZ?`
`04:03.30`	`steev64`	`greys out here`
`04:04.22`	`[F1]`	`hmm.. you got r25465?`
`04:04.35`	`[F1]`	`it might be really slow in refreshing tapped mobs, i haven't figured it out`
`04:06.37`	`steev64`	`i don't recall the revision (im chatting from my laptop)`
`04:06.37`	`kenlyric\|home`	`I didn't even know the target frame turned grey on tap...`
`04:06.42`	`pogotribal`	`wow, beautiful`
`04:06.45`	`kenlyric\|home`	`it's never done it for me.`
`04:06.47`	`pogotribal`	`I'm not actually zoning into uldaman`
`04:06.54`	`pogotribal`	`and getting my ass kicked by a mob at the loading screen`
`04:06.59`	`kenlyric\|home`	`I have to use the tooltip.\`
`04:07.03`	`pogotribal`	`fuck this game`
`04:07.21`	`Barbanus`	`[F1], its broken for me`
`04:07.33`	`Barbanus`	`if I have a mob targetted, someone taps it, it never greys out`
`04:07.39`	`Barbanus`	`Unless I untarget,and retarget it`
`04:08.10`	`[F1]`	`barb ahh k thx`
`04:08.17`	`pogotribal`	`I've never seen the frame turn grey.`
`04:08.32`	`[F1]`	`barb>> has it always been like that? or is it just the latest version that's broken`
`04:08.38`	`[F1]`	`i just noticed it today`
`04:08.39`	`kenlyric\|home`	`Barbanus: hasn't it always been like that?`
`04:08.59`	`Thorgard`	`Well.. Uldaman(US) is officially screwed. :/`
`04:09.03`	`pogotribal`	`Nice, I'm dead`
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`04:11.30`	`pogotribal`	`Yeah this is pretty bad.`
`04:11.36`	`pogotribal`	`Instance servers are screwing up hardcore.`
`04:11.47`	`pogotribal`	`My priest got trapped in BRD, can't sign in, and now I can't get into/out of uldaman.`
`04:11.56`	`pogotribal`	`Uldaman the instance.`
`04:12.09`	`pogotribal`	`Hey cynyr you on Detheroc right now?`
`04:13.27`	`cynyr_`	`pogotribal: yep`
`04:13.42`	`cynyr_`	`doing ramparts as a mater of fact`
`04:13.49`	`pogotribal`	`two allys are stuck zoning into uldaman lol`
`04:13.55`	`pogotribal`	`I guess I won't kill them`
`04:14.07`	`pogotribal`	`tell Arie that I saved his life when he signs back on`
`04:14.24`	`cynyr_`	`your name is pogotribal?`
`04:14.29`	`pogotribal`	`Kumaji`
`04:14.33`	`cynyr_`	`kk`
`04:14.37`	`pogotribal`	`it looks like they're DCing`
`04:14.45`	`pogotribal`	`Torment is with him`
`04:14.46`	`pogotribal`	`60 mage`
`04:14.57`	`cynyr_`	`guilds?`
`04:15.24`	`pogotribal`	`ok now tell them to go fuck themselves cus they just killed me`
`04:15.41`	`pogotribal`	`wtf`
`04:16.15`	`pogotribal`	`bastards`
`04:16.53`	`pogotribal`	`guild Nightmare`
`04:17.48`	`pogotribal`	`fags`
`04:18.02`	`cynyr_`	`who the fuck is nighmare...`
`04:18.05`	`cynyr_`	`pwn them`
`04:18.25`	`pogotribal`	`58 mage against a 60 mage in PvP gear... not happening`
`04:18.29`	`pogotribal`	`I killed the hunter though`
`04:18.34`	`kenlyric\|home`	`when did I join #realmdrama?`
`04:18.59`	`kenlyric\|home`	`Paradosi sucks!`
`04:19.16`	`kenlyric\|home`	`Overdose are quitters!`
`04:20.09`	`cynyr_`	`pogotribal: yea. i just wispered him.. and then amd trying to get into ramparts.. but it seems bliz can't use my money to buy a server that works...`
`04:21.04`	`pogotribal`	`Instance servers are fuct`
`04:21.20`	`cynyr_`	`so it would seem...`
`04:21.21`	`cynyr_`	`grrrr`
`04:21.37`	`cynyr_`	`i pay you all how much.. i hope they credit accounts for this shit`
`04:25.00`	`*** join/#wowace Vanish (n=vanish@12-216-130-91.client.mchsi.com)`
`04:25.39`	`Tain`	`I hope they charge people extra for bitching.`
`04:26.00`	`kenlyric\|home`	`zangarmarsh runs like a dream on my realm, hardly anyone is there.`
`04:26.58`	`cynyr_`	`kenlyric\|home: yea.. was going to go there.. bu tthen my guild decided they wanted to run ramparts...`
`04:27.26`	`kenlyric\|home`	`cynyr_: yeah, instances are kinda rough at this time, though it seems like once you get inside it's better.`
`04:27.38`	`Vanish`	`Oh, I dunno, Tain. I'll see your 'Charge for bitching' and raise you a free month of service for LDing an account so much in two days that BOT days lead to a corrupt installation of WoW forcing a total reinstall from scratch...`
`04:27.49`	`stavmar`	`what is the mod that opens all your bags at teh vendor or bank? I am starting to like baggins and want to get rid of opening all my bags?`
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`04:28.14`	`Vanish`	`Bags and Merchants?`
`04:28.29`	`stavmar`	`maybe so thanks Vanish`
`04:28.33`	`Vanish`	`np`
`04:30.23`	`stavmar`	`not that one Vanish, does Blizz have a default one?`
`04:30.36`	`Vanish`	`At the bank, yes`
`04:30.54`	`stavmar`	`but not at the vendor?`
`04:30.56`	`Vanish`	`Well, actually at vendors too, but just the first bag in both cases`
`04:31.00`	`Vanish`	`Cyb3rMM0!`
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`04:31.31`	`stavmar`	`see all my bags are opening along with Baggins at teh same time so things are a little cluttered`
`04:31.48`	`Vanish`	`If all bags are opening it's a mod`
`04:31.59`	`stavmar`	`I assume it is another mod, but i dont think I have any other Ace inventory mods except for characterinfo`
`04:32.23`	`Vanish`	`There a non-Ace bag mods`
`04:32.58`	`stavmar`	`CT_Mod but I dont use it`
`04:33.09`	`stavmar`	`I am looking`
`04:33.14`	`cynyr_`	`Tain: i'll seeyoru 'Bitching" and rais you paying $15 a month, plus $40 for an expansion, that i haven't played yet because the servers haven't stayed up. with as many people that are paying they could do something productive with that money..`
`04:33.32`	`cynyr_`	`s/seeyoru/see your/`
`04:33.51`	`Tain`	`There's a five dollar fine for whining.`
`04:34.27`	`cynyr_`	`it's not exactly, whining. bliz is breaching thier end of a contract`
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`04:35.00`	`cynyr_`	`or at least failing to provide services that were paid for`
`04:35.04`	`andyp`	`does anyone know if in the lastest cartographer, all minimap icons are supposed to be pink circles? is this correct? or something missing?`
`04:35.18`	`Vanish`	`Andyp: It's a feature, and a damned nice one. ;)`
`04:35.31`	`andyp`	`ahhh ok :)`
`04:35.33`	`cynyr_`	`andyp: yes, when you are close enough for it to have a yellow dot in them`
`04:35.55`	`andyp`	`even the vendors?`
`04:36.02`	`Vanish`	`When in range, the purple circles tell you a note is there but allows you to see, so if you have Cart_Quest tou can see the gold dot but still tooltip the quest giver, etc`
`04:36.27`	`kergoth`	`seems a bit silly to do that for the vendors, but..`
`04:36.40`	`cynyr_`	`Vanish: my quests aren't doing that.. but i haven't updated ina few days`
`04:36.53`	`Vanish`	`kergoth: Sometimes the vendors are uest givers too`
`04:37.08`	`Vanish`	`cynyr_: Kodewulf just fixed thoose today`
`04:37.10`	`andyp`	`yes just lastest one does this..i think i go back a version or 2 :)`
`04:37.51`	`kergoth`	`should probably make it optional`
`04:37.55`	`kergoth`	`i dont use cartographer_quests, myself`
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`04:38.14`	`kergoth`	`meh`
`04:38.30`	`Vanish`	`I love Cart_Quest`
`04:38.34`	`cynyr_`	`Vanish: ahh nice.. its annoying to have that icon over the dot`
`04:38.43`	`Vanish`	`cynyr_: Yeah it is`
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`04:46.37`	`Industrial`	`How do i get this fugly glow off? http://fyad.org/kg08`
`04:46.54`	`Industrial`	`oh and the combat status icon`
`04:48.28`	`borohir`	`the glow on the pet?`
`04:48.35`	`Industrial`	`target`
`04:48.57`	`Industrial`	`but yes, it does it on the player too.`
`04:50.31`	`borohir`	`is that the frame debuff highlighting under auras?`
`04:51.47`	`Industrial`	`ah yes it is, thanks.`
`04:52.03`	`Industrial`	`thought that was the color behind the debuffs`
`04:52.24`	`borohir`	`i use it for party members, comes in hanfly`
`04:52.31`	`borohir`	`*handy`
`04:52.32`	`Industrial`	`yeah, but not on my target`
`04:52.49`	`borohir`	`understandable :)`
`04:52.53`	`Industrial`	`i sw:p every mob lol :P`
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`05:08.40`	`Barbanus`	`lol Death and Taxes are like all powerleveling`
`05:09.29`	`Feldia`	`duh?`
`05:09.51`	`Feldia`	`most guilds are, to some extend`
`05:09.53`	`Feldia`	`extent*`
`05:10.49`	`Barbanus`	`18 members over 63, 7 65s, 4 66s, and a level 67`
`05:11.31`	`Feldia`	`my guild has 19 people level 63 or higher`
`05:11.33`	`Barbanus`	`when I do /who 65-70, all of them are DnT except for 1.`
`05:11.34`	`Feldia`	`the highest being 66`
`05:12.27`	`Tain`	`That is how some people gain purpose out of the game.`
`05:12.46`	`Feldia`	`anyway`
`05:12.51`	`Feldia`	`does anyone here use questfu?`
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`05:14.09`	`CIA-17`	`03gamefaq * r25499 10Babble-2.2/Babble-Zone-2.2/Babble-Zone-2.2.lua:`
`05:14.09`	`CIA-17`	`Babble-2.2:`
`05:14.09`	`CIA-17`	`- Updated 2 deDE TBC Zones`
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`05:32.31`	`CIA-17`	`03ricowan * r25500 10RicoMiniMap/ (. RicoMiniMap.lua RicoMiniMap.toc):`
`05:32.31`	`CIA-17`	`RicoMiniMap:`
`05:32.31`	`CIA-17`	`- Lots of changes...`
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`05:34.58`	`steev64`	`is there any jewelcrafting addons?`
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`05:36.34`	`steev64`	`sorry - are there`
`05:39.27`	`snurre`	`stupid realm restarts :(`
`05:40.17`	`snurre`	`is there a working cooldown counter anywhere atm?`
`05:44.43`	`Ordog`	`omniCC works like charm`
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`05:51.30`	`Cyrez`	`Good, the Cartographer + XLoot bug was fixed. ^^`
`05:52.31`	`pogotribal`	`how the hlel`
`05:52.37`	`pogotribal`	`do you open the bar door in BRD`
`05:54.01`	`Enalung`	`Well I don't know about jewelcrafting mods, but for crafting, manufac does a good job.`
`06:06.47`	`Eej`	`silvermoon city's music changes depending on time of day 8o`
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`06:08.49`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`it does? that's... pointlessly awesome`
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`06:16.27`	`pogotribal`	`RicoMiniMap doesn't show up on the aceupdater?`
`06:35.44`	`Kemayo`	`Feldia: What about QuestsFu?`
`06:36.45`	`RaydenUnicyclist`	`is there an ace mod that tells you what stuff disenchants into?`
`06:40.24`	`Kaelten`	`sudo make is like watching a progress meter... without the meter.... or the progress`
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`06:54.05`	`Feldia`	`Kemayo: I was having a problem dragging the quest tracker, but I figured it out`
`06:54.44`	`nee\|lap`	`RaydenUnicyclist: get Gazmik Fizzwidget's Disenchant Predictor. Not Ace, but very nice regardless. No gui or anything heavy, just info in the tooltip`
`06:54.51`	`nee\|lap`	`http://fizzwidget.com`
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`07:02.46`	`RaydenUnicyclist`	`is there an Ace equivalent of this http://www.fizzwidget.com/levelator/ ?`
`07:02.50`	`RaydenUnicyclist`	`shows quest levels in the name?`
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`07:03.49`	`nee\|lap`	`Yes, there's something like that in Minimalist`
`07:03.58`	`nee\|lap`	`though Levelater is far from badly written`
`07:04.22`	`nee\|lap`	`Minimalist is a collection of things, while Levelator does only one thing`
`07:04.24`	`RaydenUnicyclist`	`his stuff looks good`
`07:04.25`	`nee\|lap`	`But it does it well`
`07:04.38`	`nee\|lap`	`Yup, I love Linkerator and haven't found an alternative yet`
`07:05.06`	`RaydenUnicyclist`	`what all does Minimalist do?`
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`07:08.20`	`nee\|lap`	`open MinimalistGlobals.lua in a text editor to find out`
`07:08.37`	`nee\|lap`	`It contains descriptions of its functions`
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`07:17.56`	`CIA-17`	`03sayclub * r25501 10ClosetGnome_Switcher/Locale-koKR.lua: ClosetGnome_Switcher: Updated localization koKR`
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`07:45.52`	`ckknight`	`seeing as KC_Items requires Ace and AceGUI and no other mod that I use does, would it be more or less efficient to just switch to Auctioneer?`
`07:45.53`	`krynn-`	`would anyone recommend a good loot window mod besides xloot (didnt like the look)`
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`07:48.16`	`Arrowmaster`	`so what are the views on uploading an exe onto the wowace svn with source included ofcourse?`
`07:48.16`	`Elkano`	`ck, imho less, but that's most likely because I don'T like auctioneer for some reason ;)`
`07:48.47`	`ckknight`	`Arrowmaster: with source it's no biggie`
`07:48.48`	`Elkano`	`Arrowmaster, imho svn isn't for executables`
`07:48.51`	`ckknight`	`what're you uploading?`
`07:50.11`	`Arrowmaster`	`well i took capnbry's DumpItemCache.exe for getting sellvalues for SellValue and fixed it to work with 2.0 and wrote an addon to import that data to ColaLight`
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`07:51.20`	`ckknight`	`Arrowmaster: hrm, I'd just put the source on the svn, if it's easy to compile`
`07:51.28`	`ckknight`	`alternatively, convert it to lua ;-)`
`07:51.36`	`Elkano`	`btw: colalight now has some build in values and colamachine shares between clients: any of these two has provided some wrong data for me eg "Stormpike Insignia" selling for 2c instead of being unsellable`
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`07:52.12`	`Arrowmaster`	`yeah i had some nonsellables saying 2c too`
`07:52.41`	`pogotribal`	`ckknight you don't use Ace mods?`
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`07:52.58`	`ckknight`	`pogotribal: not Ace1.`
`07:53.03`	`Arrowmaster`	`i could put just the source up but i would have no clue about how to convert it to lua`
`07:53.31`	`ckknight`	`also, is there a mass-mail addon?`
`07:53.56`	`pogotribal`	`Write one.`
`07:54.04`	`ckknight`	`no.`
`07:54.08`	`pogotribal`	`Please?`
`07:54.12`	`Kaelten`	`ckknight: I know there are mass item sending addons not sure about a mailing list type`
`07:54.25`	`ckknight`	`I mean lots of items to one person`
`07:54.31`	`Kaelten`	`ckknight: ya Postal`
`07:54.31`	`ckknight`	`ah, alt-clicking with postal works.`
`07:54.32`	`nee\|lap`	`Use Bulkmail`
`07:54.34`	`Kaelten`	`I think has that`
`07:54.36`	`pogotribal`	`CT_Mailmod`
`07:54.44`	`Kaelten`	`I'm going to install Postal soon`
`07:54.53`	`pogotribal`	`I don't like Postal.`
`07:55.00`	`nee\|lap`	`Postal only has alt-clicking, but Bulkmail has mass-mail.`
`07:55.03`	`pogotribal`	`I haven't found it to do anything...`
`07:55.13`	`Kaelten`	`renchap: online?`
`07:55.46`	`sbu_`	`morning`
`07:55.49`	`renchap`	`yup`
`07:55.59`	`nee\|lap`	`Good morning sbu`
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`08:04.58`	`pogotribal`	`I need a dot timer.`
`08:05.07`	`pogotribal`	`Like RogueTimerFu but for every class.`
`08:05.13`	`Elkano`	`chronometer`
`08:05.14`	`pogotribal`	`Hamstrings, Shadow Word: Pains`
`08:05.43`	`pogotribal`	`Will that replace roguetimer?`
`08:05.51`	`Soulless`	`lol, bash ftw >> --- bobby sets ban on !@*.mx <@bobby> lets see the mexicans get over that wall.`
`08:06.42`	`sbu`	`uaerrg`
`08:06.46`	`sbu`	`i _hate_ ASUS`
`08:06.47`	`sbu`	`:/`
`08:06.48`	`Elkano`	`quakenet once banned *.se ^^`
`08:07.12`	`Soulless`	`lol`
`08:08.02`	`Soulless`	`anybody know of a good (read: doesn't suck and free) php hit counter that uses a mysql database?`
`08:08.49`	`sbu`	`some plastic thing on by mainboard just broke - cpu cooler doesnt hold there anymore... and asus says something about 4-6 weeks till new one, no replcement part available... siiighh`
`08:09.51`	`nee\|lap`	`oO`
`08:09.54`	`nee\|lap`	`get a new mainboard?`
`08:10.19`	`nee\|lap`	`Though that's costly`
`08:10.30`	`axxo`	`buy new, sell the old/new replacement`
`08:11.19`	`sbu`	`yeah, guess i need a new mainboard :o`
`08:11.25`	`axxo`	`who here puts his mods on google again? someone their had a working WhoNote, must find it ;x`
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`08:11.34`	`Soulless`	`haste`
`08:11.42`	`Soulless`	`i dunno the link though`
`08:11.47`	`kergoth`	`whats whonote?`
`08:12.14`	`nee\|lap`	`Whonote shows the public note when doing /who`
`08:12.16`	`sbu`	`but i could also get some other board + new cpu... %-)`
`08:12.22`	`sbu`	`we'll see... :p`
`08:12.36`	`axxo`	`kergoth: shows the public/officer/rank on /who`
`08:12.39`	`nee\|lap`	`It's very nice. Our guild uses the note to put the name of their main so that we know whose character an alt is`
`08:12.43`	`CIA-17`	`03ckknight * r25502 10Cartographer_Quests/addon.lua: Cartographer_Quests - increased nearby size to 20 yards from 5 yards. Seeing as questgivers have unique names, this shouldn't be a problem, I was getting multiple pois per questgiver.`
`08:12.55`	`axxo`	`we put the name of the mains in the note for alts, its how i remember who-s-who :)`
`08:13.18`	`kergoth`	`ah`
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`08:13.52`	`axxo`	`he made it use some framework that was more like ace1, whats that called?`
`08:14.00`	`Thorgard`	`Enyone ever use 'Sprocket'?`
`08:14.05`	`Thorgard`	`Err, Anyone.`
`08:14.20`	`kergoth`	`i'm sure lots have, but i dont think it works in 2.0 (yet)`
`08:14.24`	`kergoth`	`i used it for a bit`
`08:14.31`	`kergoth`	`axxo, you're probably thinking of dongle`
`08:14.42`	`sbu`	`axxo: hmm sounds nice, wtb :p`
`08:14.56`	`axxo`	`kergoth: indeed, who likes dongle and has a google page? :)`
`08:14.58`	`sbu`	`tell me if you find some working version (current doesnt work then i guess?)`
`08:15.10`	`kergoth`	`dongle is on google code.`
`08:15.13`	`kergoth`	`with unit tests and all`
`08:15.59`	`sbu`	`ewww ok, whonote is patch 1.10? :o`
`08:16.42`	`sbu`	`heh, its only ~100 LOC`
`08:16.52`	`axxo`	`i had fixed my version for 2.0, but it stopped working aswel, the one from google i remember seeing, had much simpler code`
`08:16.59`	`ckknight`	`meh, dongle's not for me`
`08:17.04`	`axxo`	`even less lines`
`08:17.15`	`ckknight`	`simple's not always better`
`08:17.39`	`kergoth`	`dongle isnt bad. minimal is nice and all. i cant say i'm a big fan of the core libs not using an oo model, or of all the libs being shoveled into a single file, but..`
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`08:17.57`	`axxo`	`it is for a very simple addon`
`08:18.00`	`ckknight`	`we have some good features, like bucketed events.`
`08:18.04`	`kergoth`	`i could see developing them in seperate files but compacting into one for embedding ease for distribution, but developing it in one file is messy`
`08:19.28`	`ckknight`	`and we also have a communication library, which is very handy`
`08:19.45`	`ckknight`	`either way, dongle wouldn't suite my purposes, and Ace2 does`
`08:19.47`	`ckknight`	`that's about it.`
`08:20.10`	`axxo`	`can't believe i can't search the code from code.google`
`08:20.36`	`sbu`	`uhm its on svn axxo?`
`08:20.47`	`sbu`	`oh ok, toc 10900`
`08:21.04`	`sbu`	`same version on wowi`
`08:21.35`	`CIA-17`	`03kodewulf * r25503 10Cartographer_Vendors/addon.lua:`
`08:21.35`	`CIA-17`	`Cartographer_Vendors`
`08:21.35`	`CIA-17`	`* Localization`
`08:21.35`	`CIA-17`	`<PROTECTED>`
`08:22.11`	`CIA-17`	`03kodewulf * r25504 10Cartographer_Trainers/addon.lua:`
`08:22.11`	`CIA-17`	`Cartographer_Trainers`
`08:22.11`	`CIA-17`	`* Localization`
`08:22.11`	`CIA-17`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`08:24.02`	`buu`	`Hallows`
`08:24.37`	`CIA-17`	`03next96 * r25505 10Cartographer_Trainers/addon.lua:`
`08:24.37`	`CIA-17`	`Cartographer_Trainers :`
`08:24.37`	`CIA-17`	`- Update locale koKR`
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`08:25.27`	`GanJa`	`anyone have a working version of Yata?`
`08:25.39`	`CIA-17`	`03next96 * r25506 10Cartographer_Trainers/addon.lua:`
`08:25.39`	`CIA-17`	`Cartographer_Trainers :`
`08:25.39`	`CIA-17`	`- koKR Typo fix :)`
`08:26.16`	`GanJa`	`NVM... just realized the problem is probly in the fact I don't have the air totem yet`
`08:26.19`	`ggilbert`	`went digging through Henge and Cryolysis today. Henge is a whole hell of a lot cleaner.`
`08:26.20`	`buu`	`Hrm.`
`08:26.38`	`buu`	`So.. is there a generic way to configure ace type addons?`
`08:27.03`	`Arrowmaster`	`DeuceCommander`
`08:27.38`	`nee\|lap`	`yup`
`08:28.11`	`buu`	`It automatically knows about loaded plugins and such?`
`08:28.16`	`nee\|lap`	`yup`
`08:30.01`	`cyli`	`Does anyone here who uses Itemrack experience tons of errors caught in BugSack regarding ItemRack? So much that bugsack has to stop capturing errors for 10 seconds?`
`08:30.10`	`buu`	`Very nice.`
`08:31.26`	`Soulless`	`ggilbert: hence is also very incomplete`
`08:31.31`	`Soulless`	`henge*`
`08:31.43`	`ggilbert`	`yup`
`08:31.46`	`Kaelten`	`how do I see available space on the various drives in linux?`
`08:31.54`	`krynn-`	`df -h`
`08:31.55`	`fleetfoot`	`df`
`08:31.57`	`cyli`	`Kaelten: df`
`08:32.07`	`Soulless`	`but i like where its going, but yeah, i used to use cryolysis, and it had horrible horrible memory leaks`
`08:32.17`	`ggilbert`	`Soulless: But so far it looks like it has 80% of the functionality I need :p`
`08:32.29`	`Soulless`	`my main is a mage, and it does weird things a lot`
`08:32.52`	`ggilbert`	`I had the unpleasant experience of trying to add Exodar and Shattrath to it this evening`
`08:32.54`	`Soulless`	`i have 4 60s though, and the other modules arn't really usable`
`08:33.14`	`ggilbert`	`I don't even want to imagine trying to shoe horn molten armor in :p`
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`08:33.49`	`Soulless`	`i get really random errors sometimes, like ir iteration errors, or the hp/mana displays will bug out when their update events fire`
`08:33.58`	`Soulless`	`i don't have tbc`
`08:34.28`	`Kaelten`	`thanks, testing my exporting script`
`08:34.47`	`Soulless`	`no tengo mas denero ahora`
`08:35.06`	`buu`	`So..`
`08:35.25`	`buu`	`What mod should I use to change the default action bar type stuff?`
`08:35.43`	`buu`	`The action bar, pet, bags, etc`
`08:35.45`	`krynn-`	`its personal preference`
`08:35.48`	`renchap`	`Bartender`
`08:35.53`	`krynn-`	`i like bartender3 also`
`08:35.56`	`Kaelten`	`if anyone needs to use the site do so now`
`08:36.04`	`Kaelten`	`expect it to go down in the next half hour or so`
`08:36.16`	`Soulless`	`for how long? if you know`
`08:36.21`	`nee\|lap`	`For some reason that reminds me of 'if anyone needs to use the toilet, please do so'`
`08:36.38`	`Kaelten`	`not long`
`08:36.48`	`Kaelten`	`I'll be posting a tempory url shortly`
`08:37.03`	`Kaelten`	`and the main url will work within a day or two`
`08:37.18`	`Adirelle\|work`	`Kaelten: moving to a new server ? addind a reverse proxy ? what's going on ? :)`
`08:37.32`	`Kaelten`	`new server and reverse proxy on the new box`
`08:37.39`	`Adirelle\|work`	`nice`
`08:37.50`	`Kaelten`	`I'm taking a risk going back to apache and I hope it doesn't kick us in the ass :(`
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`08:38.07`	`Adirelle\|work`	`already tried reverse proxy performance ?`
`08:38.26`	`Kaelten`	`well anon wiki access will be greatly improved`
`08:38.38`	`Adirelle\|work`	`oh ok`
`08:38.39`	`Kaelten`	`forums won't cache`
`08:38.53`	`Adirelle\|work`	`used squid or apache or reverse ?`
`08:38.56`	`Kaelten`	`I do however have memcached running on the backside of the wiki and the forums`
`08:38.58`	`Kaelten`	`squid`
`08:38.58`	`Adirelle\|work`	`s/or/for/`
`08:39.38`	`Adirelle\|work`	`that would help for the wiki, but it won't prevent files to be hammered, tho with new mirroring feature of WAU, that would help`
`08:39.56`	`buu`	`Adirelle\|work: If you need mirrors..`
`08:40.53`	`Soulless`	`who runs purl?`
`08:41.07`	`Kaelten`	`lol we have dozens of mirror offers`
`08:41.10`	`ckknight`	`~ibot`
`08:41.27`	`purl`	`ibot is probably a blootbot written in perl run by TimRiker on his server. logs on http://ibot.rikers.org/<chan>/ , ibot, jbot, apt are all the same process. It uses sqlite, but mysql or other SQL storage is also supported.`
`08:42.16`	`Kaelten`	`purl, who are you`
`08:42.19`	`purl`	`Kaelten: what are you talking about?`
`08:42.19`	`ckknight`	`Kaelten: for svn or the website?`
`08:42.19`	`Soulless`	`ahh, ty`
`08:42.19`	`Kaelten`	`ckknight: files`
`08:42.19`	`Adirelle\|work`	`Kaelten: do you have stats of what is hammered during patch days ?`
`08:42.19`	`Kaelten`	`Adirelle__: not atm`
`08:42.20`	`ckknight`	`Kaelten: ah, okay.`
`08:42.20`	`Kaelten`	`oh thats what I forgot to get on the import script`
`08:42.20`	`Kaelten`	`the log files`
`08:42.26`	`ckknight`	`go for it, and adapt WAU while you're at it ;-)`
`08:42.53`	`Adirelle\|work`	`Kaelten: ckknight, WAU 1.7b supports mirrorlist`
`08:43.00`	`Adirelle\|work`	`doh...`
`08:43.01`	`nee\|lap`	`Hm. Could WAU be setup to choose a different mirror by default based on how much current bandwidth is uses?`
`08:43.04`	`nee\|lap`	`*d`
`08:43.08`	`Adirelle\|work`	`s/Kaelten: //`
`08:43.41`	`buu`	`So hrm. How do I move my action bars with bartender 3..`
`08:43.56`	`ckknight`	`nee\|lap: I'd say it should round-robin instead`
`08:44.06`	`ckknight`	`and if one times out, go to the next`
`08:44.07`	`krka`	`why not use bittorrent with your own tracker?`
`08:44.13`	`buu`	`Silly me.`
`08:44.13`	`nee\|lap`	`Yes, but some mirrors are not as up to date as the main`
`08:44.18`	`Adirelle\|work`	`nee\|lap: would be quite difficult to set up`
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`08:44.22`	`nee\|lap`	`ok`
`08:44.25`	`Soulless`	`buu, you can do it by commandline if you feel like pulling teeth, or you can get fubar and deucecommander and dur it via menus`
`08:44.25`	`ckknight`	`krka: um... that's overboard for us, too many small files and such`
`08:44.26`	`buu`	`krka: Bt for files this small..`
`08:44.27`	`Kaelten`	`well Adirelle\|work: we're going to have a good setup for mirrors and syncing but its just not ready to go live yet`
`08:44.35`	`buu`	`Soulless: I had to turn off bar-position lock =]`
`08:44.39`	`krka`	`good point, i guess`
`08:44.43`	`Soulless`	`yeah`
`08:44.43`	`Adirelle\|work`	`Kaelten: rsync on files/ ?`
`08:45.07`	`Kaelten`	`Adirelle\|work: not sure if we're going to go that route but thats one thing we've talked about`
`08:45.41`	`Kaelten`	`the whole files script is currently getting rewritten`
`08:45.46`	`ckknight`	`it seems better (to me) to use svn and then run the files script.`
`08:45.55`	`Adirelle\|work`	`Kaelten: for files/ that is only file based, rsync would be a good tool for mirroring`
`08:46.07`	`ckknight`	`also, does the files script use externals or piece it together manually? the latter would surely be more efficient.`
`08:46.13`	`Kaelten`	`Adirelle\|work: I've got pastamancer working on it :)`
`08:46.19`	`Adirelle\|work`	`ckknight: rsync has an highly optimized algorithm to propagate files changes`
`08:46.23`	`ckknight`	`i.e. look at svn:externals and do it for you`
`08:46.27`	`Kaelten`	`ckknight: it peices it togather, which is nice on the svn, bad on the hard disk`
`08:46.35`	`ckknight`	`alright`
`08:46.52`	`ckknight`	`frankly, I'd think it'd be better on the hard disk`
`08:47.05`	`ckknight`	`seeing as it doesn't have to go into every single external and check the svn and such`
`08:47.43`	`axxo`	`is there a function to output a string with those color codes, without processing it`
`08:48.10`	`Kaelten`	`what I do know is the scripts arent' good on the hard drive because it does a good bit of file reading`
`08:48.17`	`ckknight`	`axxo: CrayonLib`
`08:48.18`	`Kaelten`	`and then copies`
`08:48.23`	`axxo`	`ckknight: thanks`
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`08:49.13`	`Adirelle\|work`	`btw, in a local network, I used rsync to sync filesystems of around 500MiB with 5% changes every night (average file size: 8KiB)`
`08:51.05`	`krka`	`interesitng..`
`08:51.11`	`krka`	`any difference between these?`
`08:51.12`	`krka`	`crayon:Colorize("7fff7f, "Lime!")`
`08:51.12`	`krka`	`"\|c007fff7" .. "Lime!" .. "\|r`
`08:51.18`	`ckknight`	`no`
`08:51.37`	`krka`	`what's the advantage of crayonlib?`
`08:53.37`	`nee\|lap`	`I do not know.`
`08:53.47`	`buu`	`So hrm. Another question. What do you use for chat windows? Moving, resizing, etc?`
`08:54.11`	`Adirelle\|work`	`~x en fr defeat`
`08:54.24`	`Adirelle\|work`	`~x en fr to defeat`
`08:54.34`	`nee\|lap`	`I use Prat to set a non-default mininum size, but apart from that nothing`
`08:54.36`	`Adirelle\|work`	`thanks purl...`
`08:54.49`	`Elkano`	`krka: named colors and extra calls ;)`
`08:55.21`	`buu`	`nee\|lap: Hrm. Does that have actual user.. usable.. code, or is it just a framework?`
`08:55.24`	`Elkano`	`krka: I think crayon can also handle gradient(?) coloring meaning color based on eg a value between 0 and 1`
`08:55.25`	`krka`	`yeah, the named colours seem useful i guess`
`08:55.46`	`krka`	`though i'd prefer simply using YELLOW = "\|c00...."`
`08:56.00`	`nee\|lap`	`buu: It's usable, has a configuration menu in Fubar`
`08:56.05`	`ckknight`	`Crayon.HEX_COLOR_YELLOW`
`08:56.11`	`krka`	`Elkano: so basically it multiples a value by 255 for you?`
`08:56.26`	`krka`	`no wait, 3 values :)`
`08:56.44`	`nee\|lap`	`Ah, but I am not sure if it's usable as code buu. I haven't looked at the code to see if it's easily transferable`
`08:57.29`	`buu`	`I'll give it a try.`
`08:58.19`	`Elkano`	`krka -> http://www.wowace.com/wiki/Crayon-2.0`
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`08:59.27`	`krka`	`yeah i looked there`
`08:59.33`	`Elkano`	`ok, the threshold isn't only for values between 0 and 1 ^^`
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`08:59.55`	`Kaelten`	`running a massive data gathering script on the old server to test it`
`09:00.03`	`Elkano`	`but I think it's the only stuff the lib is really usefull for`
`09:00.21`	`Kaelten`	`after this I'll begin the move`
`09:03.13`	`ckknight`	`Elkano: yea, pretty much.`
`09:03.17`	`ckknight`	`the threshold stuff is good.`
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`09:03.27`	`ckknight`	`and it doesn't need to be linear, either`
`09:03.33`	`ckknight`	`you can have an exponential chart`
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`09:08.14`	`jjb`	`good morning`
`09:08.33`	`nee\|lap`	`morning ;)`
`09:09.32`	`buu`	`So er, anyone know how you use eepanels?`
`09:09.44`	`nee\|lap`	`Not I`
`09:09.59`	`kergoth`	`whats there to know? you create a panel and start configuring it`
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`09:12.00`	`buu`	`kergoth: How do you create a panel?`
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`09:12.56`	`[Ammo]`	`morning`
`09:13.01`	`Xelar`	`morn`
`09:13.24`	`kergoth`	`buu, with the fubar panel menu, or its chat command, or via duececommander, or...`
`09:13.47`	`Xelar`	`maby even like a wall`
`09:14.08`	`CIA-17`	`03phyber * r25507 10/tags/AceGCInfo/:`
`09:14.08`	`CIA-17`	`AceGCInfo:`
`09:14.08`	`CIA-17`	`- Make directory for tags`
`09:14.19`	`buu`	`kergoth: Well, deucecommander isn't giving me an option for it, but perhaps that's because it's out of date.`
`09:14.36`	`pogotribal`	`FuBaru gives you a panel by default.`
`09:14.47`	`CIA-17`	`03phyber * r25508 10/ (tags/AceGCInfo/Final/ trunk/AceGCInfo/):`
`09:14.47`	`CIA-17`	`AceGCInfo:`
`09:14.47`	`CIA-17`	`- Tag final version of AceGCInfo`
`09:14.48`	`pogotribal`	`It's empty if you have no FuBar plugins though.`
`09:14.53`	`[Ammo]`	`the talk is about eepanels not fubar`
`09:14.58`	`pogotribal`	`bah!`
`09:15.01`	`Iceroth`	`meh, 500 - infernal server error - you've ruined my work day!`
`09:15.01`	`[Ammo]`	`get some coffee :)`
`09:15.01`	`Xelar`	`pogotribal not if u have removed it once :P`
`09:15.03`	`[Ammo]`	`and try again`
`09:15.14`	`pogotribal`	`screw that I'm going to sleep`
`09:15.18`	`[Ammo]`	`fine too`
`09:15.21`	`[Ammo]`	`nn :p`
`09:15.22`	`Xelar`	`coffe :D`
`09:15.22`	`pogotribal`	`fine`
`09:15.25`	`pogotribal`	`lol`
`09:15.27`	`pogotribal`	`'night`
`09:15.32`	`buu`	`kergoth: Heh, yeah, it was because it was out of date.`
`09:15.50`	`CIA-17`	`03phyber * r25509 10/tags/Wallet/:`
`09:15.50`	`CIA-17`	`Wallet:`
`09:15.50`	`CIA-17`	`- Make directory for tags`
`09:16.13`	`CIA-17`	`03phyber * r25510 10/ (tags/Wallet/Final/ trunk/Wallet/):`
`09:16.13`	`CIA-17`	`Wallet:`
`09:16.13`	`CIA-17`	`- Tag final version of Wallet`
`09:16.42`	`Tekkub`	`....`
`09:16.44`	`Tekkub`	`getglobal("ERR_FRIEND_ADDED_S")`
`09:16.49`	`Tekkub`	`STAB STAB STAB STAB STAB STAB STAB STAB STAB STAB STAB STAB STAB STAB STAB STAB v`
`09:16.55`	`phyber`	`haha`
`09:17.03`	`kergoth`	`hahah`
`09:17.11`	`[Ammo]`	`poor tek`
`09:17.24`	`[Ammo]`	`only want yourself as a friend eh?`
`09:17.43`	`Tekkub`	`ammo didn't get it`
`09:17.45`	`Tekkub`	`...`
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`09:18.17`	`[Ammo]`	`you can't add yourself as a friend right`
`09:18.19`	`[Ammo]`	`is the error`
`09:18.34`	`FroMaster`	`Is there and Ace replacement for ItemRack?`
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`09:18.44`	`Tekkub`	`lemme rephrash for you ammo`
`09:18.53`	`Elkano`	`ClosetGnome?`
`09:18.53`	`[Ammo]`	`k`
`09:18.55`	`Tekkub`	`getglobal(some non variable constant string)`
`09:19.12`	`[Ammo]`	`still don't get it`
`09:19.17`	`[Ammo]`	`then again, I need coffee`
`09:19.18`	`[Ammo]`	`badly`
`09:19.29`	`nymbia`	`heh`
`09:19.37`	`Tekkub`	`getglobal("ERR_FRIEND_ADDED_S") .... why the fuck not just use ERR_FRIEND_ADDED_S`
`09:19.40`	`[Ammo]`	`oh wait, using getglobabl for something you can use normally`
`09:19.44`	`[Ammo]`	`yeah, just got it`
`09:19.45`	`[Ammo]`	`damn`
`09:19.47`	`[Ammo]`	`I'm slow today`
`09:19.56`	`Tekkub`	`you suck, I'm drunked and I saw it`
`09:20.03`	`Tekkub`	`I'm cleaning up BuddySync`
`09:20.18`	`[Ammo]`	`aha`
`09:20.22`	`Tekkub`	`it was converted to Ace2 libs (partially), but never truely "Aced"`
`09:20.23`	`[Ammo]`	`I just arrived at work`
`09:20.30`	`[Ammo]`	`and the coffee wasn't finished yet`
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`09:20.39`	`Tekkub`	`it's.... a mess`
`09:20.57`	`buu`	`Er, so uh, I found the controls for eePanels color/border/size/width/etc.. but can you actually make them do anything?`
`09:21.03`	`Tekkub`	`the worst part? he put "--" in every empty line`
`09:21.08`	`[Ammo]`	`wtf`
`09:21.11`	`Tekkub`	`if (not BuddySyncDB[BSR].OUTPUT) then`
`09:21.11`	`Tekkub`	`BuddySyncDB[BSR].OUTPUT = 1;`
`09:21.11`	`Tekkub`	`end`
`09:21.11`	`Tekkub`	`--`
`09:21.12`	`Tekkub`	`if (not BuddySyncDB[BSR][TOON]) then`
`09:21.18`	`Tekkub`	`I want to beat him`
`09:21.22`	`[Ammo]`	`evil semicolons`
`09:21.26`	`Tekkub`	`that too`
`09:22.16`	`Elkano`	`we could put him into boiling water and tear his skin apart before he finaly passes away...`
`09:23.07`	`[Ammo]`	`naah put one part of his body in hot water and one part in cold`
`09:23.13`	`[Ammo]`	`so we can light bulbs from him`
`09:23.17`	`Tekkub`	`this is exactly why the "surge" of Ace2 mods is bad...`
`09:23.34`	`Tekkub`	`this is a quarter-assed convertion that didn't solve a goddamn thing`
`09:23.41`	`Tekkub`	`the code's a fucking mess`
`09:24.08`	`Tekkub`	`he's using his own event handler function`
`09:24.09`	`nee\|lap`	`Acing addons is just to make it more popular to some then it seems.`
`09:24.12`	`Tekkub`	`and frame even`
`09:24.27`	`Tekkub`	`functions like.. function BuddySync:BS_onEVENT(event)`
`09:24.35`	`Tekkub`	`function BuddySync:BS_CHECK(BSN)`
`09:24.44`	`kergoth`	`ow`
`09:24.48`	`Tekkub`	`at least he got them out of the global namespace, but still`
`09:25.05`	`kergoth`	`having an onevent at all...silly people`
`09:25.14`	`renchap`	`rewrite the addon from scratch ? :)`
`09:25.33`	`Tekkub`	`yea all he did was cram his functions into a table and used AceConsole and AceDB`
`09:25.41`	`Tekkub`	`oh and AceHook`
`09:26.25`	`Tekkub`	`fuck, he's even hooking the mail frame to put names in there`
`09:26.41`	`Tekkub`	`when did slouken add guildies to that autocomplete? 1.9?`
`09:26.47`	`[Ammo]`	`I think so`
`09:26.59`	`[Ammo]`	`at least long time ago`
`09:27.04`	`Tekkub`	`it's a good thing I'm already drinking`
`09:27.10`	`Tekkub`	`this would drive me to drink`
`09:27.15`	`kergoth`	`hehe`
`09:27.29`	`Adirelle\|work`	`lol`
`09:28.09`	`Tekkub`	`and he doesn't use self at all, thus losing half the advantage of the OO design`
`09:29.10`	`Adirelle\|work`	`Tekkub: talk to Toadkiller, he's doing the same kinda work on AutoBar`
`09:29.16`	`CIA-17`	`03ammo * r25511 10/branches/Postal/ (. Ammo/): Postal: creating ammo branch`
`09:29.22`	`ckknight`	`ugh`
`09:29.29`	`ckknight`	`people need to learn how to write mods`
`09:29.34`	`Tekkub`	`no...`
`09:29.37`	`buu`	`So meester tekkub, what do you use to control chat frames? Like size and position and stuff.`
`09:29.38`	`Tekkub`	`I'm not in a gentile mood`
`09:29.43`	`Tekkub`	`I'll make him cry`
`09:29.45`	`Adirelle\|work`	`I mean cleaning up the code, Toadkiller is cleaning up AutoBar`
`09:29.47`	`CIA-17`	`03ammo 07Ammo * r25512 10Postal/Postal/: Postal: importing trunk to branch`
`09:30.05`	`ckknight`	`it'd be interesting if we forced people to get licenses to use Ace2, which proves they know how to actually code.`
`09:30.08`	`Tekkub`	`buu, I lay them out once on my main and use a .bat to copy the settings to my alts`
`09:30.40`	`Adirelle\|work`	`original autobar code mades my cry too`
`09:30.58`	`buu`	`Tekkub: How do you lay them out at all?`
`09:31.01`	`Tekkub`	`ah but ckk, the process of "Aceing" used to be wwhat you'd call a learner's permit`
`09:31.18`	`Tekkub`	`now... well now people grab the docs, convert it a bit, and slap a label on it`
`09:31.29`	`ckknight`	`Ace isn't a silver bullet, especially if you code like shit`
`09:31.58`	`Tekkub`	`yes, and it used to be as people "converted" they learned shit`
`09:32.01`	`Tekkub`	`they don't anymore`
`09:32.20`	`Tekkub`	`buu....`
`09:32.21`	`Tekkub`	`-- ╔═══════╦═══════╗`
`09:32.21`	`Tekkub`	`-- ║ 5 ║ 6 ║`
`09:32.21`	`Tekkub`	`-- ╔═══╩═══╦═══╩═══╦═══╩═══╗`
`09:32.21`	`Tekkub`	`-- ║ 1 ║ 3 ║ 4 ║`
`09:32.21`	`Tekkub`	`-- ╚═══════╩═══════╩═══════╝`
`09:32.29`	`Tekkub`	`gah, needs monospaced font`
`09:32.37`	`nymbia`	`hit em with a stick til they learn?`
`09:32.41`	`Adirelle\|work`	`coding shit isn't a matter of language, methods or libraries...`
`09:32.53`	`Tekkub`	`WorldFrame's bottomright is anchored to 4's topleft`
`09:33.42`	`Tekkub`	`yea I guess my point is that it's become too easy to "Ace" stuff, and now people are ding just for the reputation we used to have of being nice clean fast small mods`
`09:33.53`	`Tekkub`	`and thus that reputation is going 8splort*`
`09:34.32`	`buu`	`Tekkub: Er, not what I meant, I mean.. literally how do you move the chat window?`
`09:34.34`	`ckknight`	`really, I think only a few cases code like total shit, with a lot being kinda blah, neither too bad nor too good, and you have a set of really good mods`
`09:34.35`	`Adirelle\|work`	`I know what you should do to correct that...`
`09:35.01`	`Tekkub`	`one time with a script, then the game remembers it`
`09:35.16`	`buu`	`Tekkub: You have to custom code something to move them?`
`09:35.24`	`Tekkub`	`yea somewhere`
`09:35.27`	`buu`	`...`
`09:35.30`	`CIA-17`	`03ammo 07Ammo * r25513 10Postal/Postal/ (19 files in 11 dirs): Postal: Lumberjacking through the addon`
`09:35.31`	`buu`	`Bah.`
`09:35.39`	`Tekkub`	`I just copy my layout file in my What The Fuck?`
`09:36.07`	`Tekkub`	`my layout's been the same for a long time`
`09:36.22`	`Adirelle\|work`	`make a code review and notation system and only publish addons that reach a required level`
`09:36.38`	`*** join/#wowace chuckg_ (i=chuckg@66-237-5-116.starstream.net)`
`09:36.45`	`Tekkub`	`publishing doesn't happen here, that's another problem :)`
`09:37.03`	`Adirelle\|work`	`at least give user information about the note obtained by the addon`
`09:37.07`	`Arrowmaster`	`most the total crap ace mods are found from other sites`
`09:37.28`	`Adirelle\|work`	`but the real problem is that it would be highly time consumming I suppose`
`09:38.10`	`Tekkub`	`ARRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!`
`09:38.18`	`Tekkub`	`he's not even really using AceDB`
`09:38.30`	`Tekkub`	`BuddySyncDB[BSR][FRIEND][name] = {};`
`09:38.41`	`phyber`	`wait, this broken addin is an Ace addon?`
`09:38.45`	`phyber`	`s/addin/addon/`
`09:38.50`	`Tekkub`	`just a little, yes`
`09:38.58`	`phyber`	`:/`
`09:39.07`	`buu`	`Tekkub: While I'm pestering you, what is the point of eepanel?`
`09:39.12`	`Tekkub`	`Adirelle__, maintains the same buddy list across all your toons`
`09:39.18`	`Tekkub`	`and ignore list prolly`
`09:39.26`	`Tekkub`	`dunno boo`
`09:39.30`	`buu`	`=/`
`09:39.39`	`buu`	`Purely eye candy?`
`09:39.39`	`vhaarr`	`and it's "Ace'd" ?`
`09:39.42`	`nee\|lap`	`Under the motto - Keep your friends close, keep your enemies closer? :P`
`09:39.49`	`Tekkub`	`it has Ace2 Embeds`
`09:40.04`	`Tekkub`	`as far as I can tell, it only uses Console, Hooks, and :OnEnable`
`09:40.11`	`nee\|lap`	`hm.. friend/ignore share mod 'FriendOrFoe' would be a nice name`
`09:40.30`	`Tekkub`	`FriendsWithBenefits will be the version of this I put out`
`09:40.58`	`Tekkub`	`I'm impartial on the ignore list`
`09:41.09`	`Codayus`	`buu: eepanel is to create nifty boxes on your screen to prettify your interface.`
`09:41.11`	`Tekkub`	`and I think his ignore updater is half-broke anyway`
`09:41.13`	`buu`	`Codayus: Heh, ok.`
`09:41.19`	`CIA-17`	`03ammo 07Ammo * r25514 10Postal/Postal/ (Postal.lua Postal.toc): Postal: Add a very basic core`
`09:41.20`	`buu`	`Codayus: So.. about text boxes.. =]`
`09:41.29`	`Tekkub`	`rename it ePenal`
`09:41.37`	`Health`	`ePenis?`
`09:41.41`	`Codayus`	`Let's you set color, size, shape, border. Good for making a background to a bunch of bartender bars, or something.`
`09:41.43`	`Tekkub`	`^^`
`09:41.51`	`Tekkub`	`ePenile`
`09:42.09`	`Tekkub`	`that has a nice ring to it`
`09:44.19`	`krka`	`you're always so helpful Health!`
`09:44.50`	`CIA-17`	`03jayhawk * r25515 10FuBar_PetInfoFu/ (4 files):`
`09:44.51`	`CIA-17`	`FuBar_PetInfoFu:`
`09:44.51`	`CIA-17`	`- added support for Demonic Knowledge (Warlock)`
`09:45.01`	`Worf`	`hmm - i wonder if you would create addons that are 18+ if you use that naming...`
`09:45.02`	`Arrowmaster`	`should have an 'AceAproved' system to denote mod authors that actually know wtf their doing, select people through peer review`
`09:45.21`	`Tekkub`	`Arrow, not a bad idea, honestly`
`09:46.03`	`Elkano`	`how about ace not activating addons from some authors? ;)`
`09:46.07`	`Tekkub`	`maybe even give small eval tags like "Clean Code", "Fast" and "Small"`
`09:46.27`	`Tekkub`	`no Elk, that's just gonna come across as elitist`
`09:46.53`	`ckknight`	`well, maybe some review process would be good.`
`09:46.54`	`Elkano`	`was only joking anyways`
`09:47.15`	`Tekkub`	`yea, it's not that hard to write good stuf.... what we need as tests...`
`09:47.33`	`Tekkub`	`low GC churn, use of locals, use of self`
`09:47.35`	`Kaelten`	`someone who is good with apache2 got a moment?`
`09:47.44`	`krynn-`	`whatcha need`
`09:47.48`	`Arrowmaster`	`"Ace2: Cosmos has been detected, we're sorry"`
`09:47.49`	`Elkano`	`but how to get the review to the users? they often do their own review by mouth-to-mouth propaganda though that isn't based on code in most cases, only on eyecandy`
`09:47.55`	`*** join/#wowace Lysithea (i=o@c-ab4ee455.017-172-73746f34.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se)`
`09:48.01`	`Worf`	`Kaelten: not good but... sould do`
`09:48.08`	`vhaarr`	`Arrowmaster: I like that idea as well.`
`09:48.14`	`Arrowmaster`	`lol`
`09:48.16`	`Tekkub`	`Elk, wiki stamps I guess`
`09:48.20`	`ckknight`	`Tekkub: proper use of AceEvent (i.e. not using an OnEvent thing)`
`09:48.43`	`Tekkub`	`yea, smart use of events, doesn't even have to be AceEvent really`
`09:48.45`	`Kaelten`	`I have a virtual host that picks up a ip, I have a few rewrite ruls in it that I would like to be able to have pass to different urls based on what url they are coming from`
`09:48.47`	`Arrowmaster`	`oh and it doesnt have to be limited to authors that use ace`
`09:49.00`	`Tekkub`	`fuck, you know, maybe we should just split this away from Ace`
`09:49.09`	`CIA-17`	`03kergoth * r25516 10/branches/CBRipoff/ (. Kergoth/): Branch CBRipoff.`
`09:49.12`	`Kaelten`	`Tekkub: split what away from ace?`
`09:49.14`	`Tekkub`	`cause we always say there's good mods that don't use Ace`
`09:49.17`	`*** join/#wowace gnor (n=jaydee@cpe-76-173-212-2.socal.res.rr.com)`
`09:49.20`	`Elkano`	`Tekkub, in that case you would need a site that is only editable by trusted users so noone fakes records`
`09:49.23`	`Tekkub`	`code review team :)`
`09:49.27`	`ckknight`	`hrm`
`09:49.32`	`ckknight`	`maybe a general code review would be good`
`09:49.36`	`ckknight`	`not Ace-specific.`
`09:49.37`	`Kaelten`	`hrm`
`09:49.47`	`Tekkub`	`and get non-acers in the review board`
`09:49.52`	`ckknight`	`yep`
`09:49.57`	`Tekkub`	`Iriel if he will, clad, Gello`
`09:50.04`	`ckknight`	`Cide ;-)`
`09:50.07`	`ckknight`	`hehe.`
`09:50.17`	`ckknight`	`another good test: is size of saved variables.`
`09:50.25`	`Tekkub`	`having Gello's voice would be really a grand gesture, he's always been pro-good code but not a high supporter of Ace`
`09:50.30`	`Tekkub`	`cause we're elitist :)`
`09:50.34`	`Health`	`krka!`
`09:50.36`	`ckknight`	`yea.`
`09:50.44`	`Tekkub`	`yes, SV management is a biggie`
`09:50.47`	`Kaelten`	`lol KC_items will always fail the sv variable size test`
`09:50.56`	`Tekkub`	`not size exactly`
`09:50.58`	`*** part/#wowace grennon (n=jeramy@user-0cdv8vd.cable.mindspring.com)`
`09:51.00`	`Tekkub`	`smart use of SV`
`09:51.01`	`CIA-17`	`03ammo 07Ammo * r25517 10Postal/Postal/ (7 files in 3 dirs): Postal: Locale split off into seperate files, BlackBook now a proper module`
`09:51.04`	`Elkano`	`ckknight, size and organisation of SV`
`09:51.06`	`vhaarr`	`kergoth: Why are you branching CBRipoff?`
`09:51.07`	`Arrowmaster`	`size vs content`
`09:51.10`	`ckknight`	`right.`
`09:51.14`	`Kaelten`	`hehe, oh well I might have a chance then`
`09:51.14`	`Tekkub`	`you can be big without being.... Discord`
`09:51.15`	`Tekkub`	`:)`
`09:51.16`	`vhaarr`	`kergoth: Feel free to fool around in the trunk.`
`09:51.21`	`ckknight`	`it's smart use, not absolute size.`
`09:51.31`	`Kaelten`	`kergoth: hrm?`
`09:51.40`	`ckknight`	`basically, if you can think of a way to make it smaller, then it should be changed.`
`09:51.42`	`Kaelten`	`vhaarr: hrm?`
`09:51.50`	`vhaarr`	`Kaelten: ?`
`09:52.01`	`Kaelten`	`fool around in trunk?`
`09:52.12`	`vhaarr`	`yes, instead of branching`
`09:52.37`	`Kaelten`	`ah`
`09:52.38`	`Tekkub`	`I propose we name this group "Dirty Horde"`
`09:52.50`	`ckknight`	`lol.`
`09:52.50`	`Tekkub`	`This mod gets the Dirty Horde stamp of approval`
`09:52.58`	`ckknight`	`I think something more professional would be good`
`09:53.05`	`[Ammo]`	`haha`
`09:53.05`	`ckknight`	`something official-sounding`
`09:53.13`	`Tekkub`	`pfft, fuck professional, it's a game`
`09:53.23`	`krynn-`	`Kaelten: were you talking about something like this... RewriteRule wiki\/(.+)\.html? wiki?$1 [L,R=permanent]`
`09:53.26`	`ckknight`	`this addon gets Your mom's stamp of approval.`
`09:53.45`	`CIA-17`	`03kergoth 07Kergoth * r25518 10CBRipoff/ (4 files in 2 dirs): CBRipoff: (kergoth branch) Apply the changes that were committed to wowace svn on oCB before it was removed with regard to adding the spell icon to the bar.`
`09:54.14`	`*** join/#wowace Tovort (n=Miranda@theoden.iai.uni-bonn.de)`
`09:54.17`	`Tekkub`	`my cat's an ass`
`09:54.20`	`Kaelten`	`krynn-: more like I want to forward http://www.wowace.com/files and www.wowace.net/files to files.wowace.com and files.wowace.net respectively`
`09:54.23`	`Tekkub`	`but she's a cute vibrating ass`
`09:54.27`	`krka`	`what Health?`
`09:54.38`	`vhaarr`	`kergoth: I want it as well, gifv trunk love`
`09:54.47`	`Health`	`you can't snowboard`
`09:55.01`	`Kaelten`	`what kinda site would we want for the code review?`
`09:55.22`	`ckknight`	`Kaelten: wiki`
`09:55.23`	`vhaarr`	`pastey?`
`09:55.26`	`Tekkub`	`well, we'd need to lay out clear benchmark ponts`
`09:55.31`	`ckknight`	`right.`
`09:55.37`	`Tekkub`	`have an application page`
`09:55.38`	`krynn-`	`Kaelten: you could use redirects.. Redirect /files http://files.wowace.com`
`09:55.42`	`CIA-17`	`03kergoth * r25519 10CBRipoff/ (5 files in 3 dirs): CBRipoff: Apply the changes that were committed to wowace svn on oCB before it was removed with regard to adding the spell icon to the bar.`
`09:55.47`	`Tekkub`	`and yea, wiki`
`09:55.49`	`Tekkub`	`:)`
`09:55.58`	`ckknight`	`maybe wowwiki would be the place to do this`
`09:56.01`	`ckknight`	`it's neutral ground.`
`09:56.06`	`Tekkub`	`the "main list" would have to be protect of course`
`09:56.10`	`Kaelten`	`krynn-: could I do Redirect permanent http://www.wowace.net/files http://files.wowace.net/`
`09:56.10`	`Kaelten`	`?`
`09:56.22`	`Tekkub`	`problem is protection tho ckk`
`09:56.26`	`*** join/#wowace pahvir (i=pahvir@dyn-203-76-dsl.vsp.fi)`
`09:56.31`	`Kaelten`	`I can host it as a secondary domain`
`09:56.44`	`jjb`	`kaelten: mod_rewrite`
`09:56.49`	`Kaelten`	`www.wowcodereview.com`
`09:56.56`	`Kaelten`	`or something`
`09:56.59`	`Tekkub`	`yea probably`
`09:57.02`	`krynn-`	`use RedirectPermanent`
`09:57.12`	`krka`	`bashing other people's code... sounds like fun`
`09:57.12`	`Tekkub`	`but yea, make a wiki for sure`
`09:57.17`	`Elkano`	`how about "Addons C'thun would have an eye on"? ;)`
`09:57.20`	`ckknight`	`basically, maybe you have to have 2 independent sources review it and leave their signature.`
`09:57.23`	`krynn-`	`Kaelten: take a look at http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/mod/mod_alias.html#redirect`
`09:57.29`	`Tekkub`	`elk, you're fired`
`09:57.36`	`Elkano`	`:(`
`09:57.42`	`Kaelten`	`Tekkub: find what domain name you guys want and I'll buy it and set it up on the new box`
`09:57.50`	`CIA-17`	`03ammo 07Ammo * r25520 10Postal/Postal/Postal.toc: Postal: toc tweak`
`09:57.51`	`ckknight`	`that way it could be semi-publically editable.`
`09:57.54`	`Tekkub`	`ckk, votes?`
`09:58.08`	`ckknight`	`Tekkub: thumbs up, thumbs down`
`09:58.18`	`ckknight`	`don't think there should be a rank`
`09:58.19`	`*** join/#wowace Royal (n=m@cp291458-a.landg1.lb.home.nl)`
`09:58.19`	`Tekkub`	`no, votes for domain name?`
`09:58.33`	`ckknight`	`+1`
`09:58.39`	`Tekkub`	`I think it should be a 1-10 scale really, number of benchmark points they meet`
`09:58.42`	`ckknight`	`it should just be up and down, and giving proper reasons for both.`
`09:58.48`	`Tekkub`	`or 1-5 star`
`09:59.01`	`ckknight`	`maybe overall approve/disapprove with each benchmark getting a rating.`
`09:59.03`	`ckknight`	`how's that?`
`09:59.06`	`krynn-`	`ratemyace.com lol`
`09:59.14`	`ckknight`	`krynn-: not ace-specific.`
`09:59.20`	`krynn-`	`ah`
`09:59.23`	`ckknight`	`hotornotaddons.com`
`09:59.26`	`krynn-`	`lol`
`09:59.28`	`krka`	`ratemymod`
`09:59.39`	`krynn-`	`pretty sure ratemymod is a computer modding website`
`09:59.48`	`Tekkub`	`each reviewer could fill out a checklist, what items the addon passes`
`09:59.51`	`Elkano`	`monkeyquality.com ?`
`09:59.55`	`Tekkub`	`from that derive a rating`
`10:00.03`	`Tekkub`	`average the ratings across the reviewers`
`10:00.06`	`Kaelten`	`wowcodereivew.com/net/org is all available`
`10:00.15`	`ckknight`	`thing is, we don't want users to review, really. We want developers`
`10:00.15`	`Kaelten`	`dirtyhorde.net is available.`
`10:00.16`	`krka`	`thedailywowwtf`
`10:00.16`	`Tekkub`	`.org I say`
`10:00.22`	`*** join/#wowace Tovort (n=Miranda@theoden.iai.uni-bonn.de)`
`10:00.23`	`krka`	`addon.thedailywtf.com`
`10:00.24`	`*** join/#wowace TongueSlappingWo (n=neuro@c220-239-13-191.belrs4.nsw.optusnet.com.au)`
`10:00.25`	`Tekkub`	`but I like Dirty Horde`
`10:00.31`	`ckknight`	`Tekkub: people don't comprehend .org`
`10:00.40`	`TongueSlappingWo`	`is there some sort of addon ace or no ace that lets me blacklist people?`
`10:00.45`	`Tekkub`	`dirtyhorde.net!`
`10:00.49`	`Kaelten`	`thedirtyhorde.com/net/org is all available`
`10:01.01`	`ckknight`	`we aren't going to be the dirty horde.`
`10:01.08`	`Kaelten`	`www.TheDirtyHorde.com`
`10:01.10`	`Kaelten`	`lol`
`10:01.13`	`Laric`	`Kaelten your local porn stop with piccys of naked belfs and undeads?`
`10:01.13`	`Tekkub`	`:(`
`10:01.18`	`krka`	`sounds like a pr0n site`
`10:01.33`	`Worf`	`hmm - i think alliance would be .com but horde would most likely be .org`
`10:01.38`	`Tekkub`	`but we could have the dirty horde hoof of approval`
`10:01.56`	`Kaelten`	`lol`
`10:02.00`	`Tekkub`	`hrm... fine maybe something like Code Monkies...`
`10:02.06`	`Tekkub`	`Code Cows`
`10:02.14`	`ckknight`	`but I'm a blood elf.`
`10:02.24`	`krynn-`	`isnt everyone`
`10:02.24`	`Tekkub`	`Code Fags for you then`
`10:02.27`	`phyber`	`the main code cow could be called Kate, giving the hoof to crap addons.`
`10:02.29`	`Laric`	`tekkub code monkeys.. think ppl would associate that with monkey mods`
`10:02.40`	`Kaelten`	`www.CodePriests.com -- We'll find the problem and heal it!`
`10:02.43`	`Tekkub`	`yea change monkey to some wow thing`
`10:02.52`	`krka`	`Kode Kodos`
`10:02.57`	`Tekkub`	`CodeDruids... CodeShaman`
`10:03.01`	`ckknight`	`Kaelten: we're judges, not healers...`
`10:03.03`	`Tekkub`	`CodeShaman ain't too bad`
`10:03.06`	`Elkano`	`Codos ;)`
`10:03.13`	`ckknight`	`it's a judgement system`
`10:03.16`	`Tekkub`	`Kodos!`
`10:03.21`	`Tekkub`	`Kodos.com`
`10:03.22`	`Kaelten`	`CodeReapers`
`10:03.23`	`Kaelten`	`?`
`10:03.25`	`Laric`	`judge.... codepaladins... we judge you with our seal :P`
`10:03.31`	`krka`	`www.mykodo.com`
`10:03.36`	`krka`	`damn it's taken`
`10:03.40`	`Worf`	`Ace2 - getting da Voodoo back to your gui!`
`10:03.44`	`Elkano`	`CodePala's Seal of Aproval`
`10:03.47`	`krka`	`actually, that looks like a great game`
`10:03.49`	`Tekkub`	`KodoReview`
`10:04.03`	`Lysithea`	`I like it`
`10:04.07`	`Kaelten`	`its available`
`10:04.14`	`Worf`	`Laric: nobody likes paladins`
`10:04.22`	`Tekkub`	`an we can still give a hoof of approval`
`10:04.31`	`Kaelten`	`lol`
`10:04.38`	`ckknight`	`it would be good to get some image to represent the approval status.`
`10:04.41`	`Laric`	`tekkub is a total cowaholic`
`10:04.52`	`Kaelten`	`ok any objections to www.KodoReview.com?`
`10:04.53`	`Laric`	`;P`
`10:04.54`	`krka`	`or we could taur people a new one if it's bad`
`10:04.56`	`Tekkub`	`what? so I like big tauren wang`
`10:05.03`	`ckknight`	`Kaelten: we're not kodos...`
`10:05.12`	`ckknight`	`but I like the concept.`
`10:05.13`	`Laric`	`ckknight tekkub is :P`
`10:05.22`	`Kaelten`	`lol`
`10:05.26`	`ckknight`	`Kodo-approved?`
`10:05.29`	`Kaelten`	`its just a name, make it fun :)`
`10:05.39`	`ckknight`	`I suppose`
`10:05.42`	`Kaelten`	`Kodo review is fun, sounds kinda like Code review`
`10:05.44`	`Tekkub`	`yea what Kael said`
`10:05.56`	`ckknight`	`screw it, I'm for it.`
`10:05.56`	`Laric`	`kodoreview is nice`
`10:05.59`	`Kaelten`	`and its wow themed`
`10:06.02`	`Kaelten`	`ok going once`
`10:06.05`	`Kaelten`	`going twice`
`10:06.10`	`Worf`	`Mice used to have 2 buttons, because Tauren are cloven hoofed!`
`10:06.15`	`Kaelten`	`sold to the tauren in the second row`
`10:06.51`	`TongueSlappingWo`	`is there some sort of addon ace or no ace that lets me blacklist people?`
`10:07.00`	`phyber`	`/ignore`
`10:08.01`	`Tekkub`	`KodoReview... KR... koKR....`
`10:08.02`	`krka`	`KodoCrap - no BullShit`
`10:08.04`	`Worf`	`unfortunately this is char-based and not account based`
`10:08.38`	`Worf`	`some people i'd like to /ignore with all their chars`
`10:08.46`	`Kaelten`	`ok I gots me KodoReview.com`
`10:08.52`	`*** join/#wowace evl (n=fuckoff@c85-196-101-98.static.sdsl.no)`
`10:08.53`	`Tekkub`	`sweets`
`10:08.54`	`ckknight`	`alright`
`10:09.00`	`Kaelten`	`I'll get it setup on the newserver with a copy of mediawiki`
`10:09.04`	`Tekkub`	`#kodoreview ^^`
`10:09.14`	`Kaelten`	`oh great another fucking channel`
`10:09.16`	`Kaelten`	`:P`
`10:09.20`	`Tekkub`	`:P`
`10:09.38`	`Tekkub`	`froget the channel then, we'll be wikipedia and have avilage pump`
`10:09.50`	`Tekkub`	`<PROTECTED>`
`10:09.55`	`Kaelten`	`lol`
`10:09.59`	`Kaelten`	`hrm tekkub in pumps`
`10:10.12`	`Tekkub`	`don't worry, I don't have any`
`10:10.16`	`Kaelten`	`lol`
`10:10.31`	`Tekkub`	`my ex- soon to be re-roommate probably does tho`
`10:10.39`	`*** join/#wowace Espa_ (n=espa@wkstn109-59.harbin.georgetown.edu)`
`10:11.30`	`ckknight`	`I thought you only dated manly men...`
`10:11.39`	`Tekkub`	`ex-roommate`
`10:11.51`	`Tekkub`	`and hes, he has many wigs and dresses`
`10:12.05`	`nymbia`	`rofl`
`10:12.18`	`phyber`	`http://www.bbc.co.uk/comedy/littlebritain/characters/emily.shtml`
`10:12.18`	`phyber`	`?`
`10:12.23`	`*** join/#wowace adjon (n=adjon@global-nat.svenskakyrkan.se)`
`10:12.33`	`phyber`	`;)`
`10:13.33`	`Kaelten`	`".+\.wowace\.([a-zA-Z^/]+)/files(.+) be a valid regex to catch either wowace.net\files... or wowace.com\files?`
`10:14.00`	`[Ammo]`	`wowace\.(net\|com)/files`
`10:14.03`	`[Ammo]`	`isn't that easier`
`10:14.07`	`[Ammo]`	`or are we talking lua regexp?`
`10:14.08`	`Kaelten`	`hrm true`
`10:14.13`	`axxo`	`.+ can be greedy`
`10:14.16`	`Kaelten`	`no apache regex`
`10:14.19`	`Tekkub`	`fucking halfassed lua regex`
`10:14.21`	`[Ammo]`	`then use mine :)`
`10:14.25`	`axxo`	`pcre?`
`10:14.33`	`Kaelten`	`[Ammo]: but it needs to capture anything after /files as well`
`10:14.34`	`[Ammo]`	`maybe with a bit of checking )`
`10:14.43`	`[Ammo]`	`(.*)`
`10:14.45`	`[Ammo]`	`after it then`
`10:14.54`	`Kaelten`	`and also work for www.wowace. or just wowace.`
`10:15.05`	`[Ammo]`	`I just changed your ([a-zA-Z^/]+)`
`10:15.07`	`[Ammo]`	`the rest looks ok`
`10:15.28`	`axxo`	`.+ will be greedy, and match upto the last .`
`10:15.46`	`axxo`	`.+?, or like [^.]+`
`10:15.54`	`Kaelten`	`at the end any char`
`10:16.27`	`axxo`	`hmm, ignore me, i'm comfused`
`10:16.49`	`axxo`	`if you have wowace twice in the url it will give problems`
`10:16.51`	`axxo`	`but whatever`
`10:17.53`	`*** join/#wowace Leialyn (n=unknown@p54B4E765.dip.t-dialin.net)`
`10:18.59`	`Kaelten`	`well this is only temp for a few days anyway`
`10:19.12`	`[Ammo]`	`completely switching to .net?`
`10:19.22`	`[Ammo]`	`or keeping both`
`10:20.17`	`CIA-17`	`03rabbit 07Ammo * r25521 10Postal/Postal/ (12 files in 4 dirs): Postal: Cleanup.`
`10:20.31`	`Kaelten`	`.net is just a temp url`
`10:21.05`	`jjb_`	`what you want to do?`
`10:21.10`	`jjb_`	`with the regex?`
`10:21.35`	`Kaelten`	`was trying to make it so both .net and .com would work easily.`
`10:21.39`	`Kaelten`	`but its turning into a pita`
`10:21.56`	`jjb_`	`with mod_alias?`
`10:22.31`	`Kaelten`	`mod_alias mod rewrite`
`10:22.32`	`Kaelten`	`whatever`
`10:22.35`	`jjb_`	`RewriteEngine On`
`10:23.17`	`jjb_`	`RewriteRule ^/files http://where.to.redirect [R,L,NE]`
`10:23.20`	`vhaarr`	`Kaelten: Could you put something in the topic about when the new server will be up and running with forums?`
`10:23.22`	`jjb_`	`something like that?`
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`10:24.05`	`Kaelten`	`jjb_: kinda but wowace.com/files needs to go to files.wowace.com and wowace.net/files needs to go to files.wowace.net`
`10:24.16`	`Kaelten`	`vhaarr: I will.`
`10:25.10`	`Nargiddley`	`would ".+\.wowace\.(net\|com)/files(.+)" work ?`
`10:25.11`	`*** join/#wowace bindi (i=indigo@d51A479A6.access.telenet.be)`
`10:25.29`	`Kaelten`	`I tried it and it didn't work`
`10:25.38`	`Nargiddley`	`hm :/`
`10:25.39`	`CIA-17`	`03rabbit 07Ammo * r25522 10Postal/Postal/Postal.lua: Postal: Set revision to 1 initially.`
`10:25.41`	`jjb_`	`just a moment :)`
`10:27.16`	`CIA-17`	`03rabbit 07Ammo * r25523 10Postal/Postal/Postal.lua: Postal: Set .revision on core.`
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`10:30.04`	Funkeh`	`hey`
`10:30.09`	`bver`	`Is there anyway to hide the instructions on the map for cartographer?? ie. Right Click to zoom out etc?`
`10:30.46`	`Nargiddley`	`.+\.?wowace\.(com\|net)/files/(.+) seems to work for me in regex coach`
`10:31.50`	`ckknight`	`bver: hrm, I should add that to Look 'n' Feel.`
`10:32.00`	Funkeh`	`is there an opton to make baggings replace the default bags with its frame when you press b?`
`10:32.02`	`ckknight`	`but if you set transparency to 0, it'll have the same effect`
`10:32.36`	`jjb_`	`RewriteCond %{HTTP_HOST} wowace\.(com\|net)`
`10:32.37`	`jjb_`	`RewriteRule ^/files http://files.wowace.%1 [R,L,NE]`
`10:33.02`	`jjb_`	`should work so`
`10:33.06`	`krynn-`	`yea that would work`
`10:33.58`	`krynn-`	`except thats $1`
`10:34.00`	`krynn-`	`not %1`
`10:34.05`	`jjb_`	`no its %1 :)`
`10:34.52`	`jjb_`	`u use $1 when its from the RewriteRule`
`10:35.13`	`jjb_`	`from the previos rewritecond you have to use %1`
`10:35.14`	`CIA-17`	`03ammo 07Ammo * r25524 10Postal/Postal/ (10 files in 2 dirs): Postal: full conversion to modules.`
`10:35.25`	`phyber`	`RedirectMatch ^/files/(.*)$ http://files.wowace.com/$1 < I used that, it works fine. Would redirect to files.wowace.com/Fizzle, for example, if you did wowace.com/files/Fizzle/`
`10:36.26`	`Kaelten`	`jjb_: one issue`
`10:36.39`	`Kaelten`	`http://www.wowace.net/files/Babble-2.2/Babble-2.2-r25190.zip`
`10:36.46`	`Kaelten`	`doesn't redirect to the download`
`10:37.22`	`jjb_`	`of course :)`
`10:37.33`	`Kaelten`	`but it should`
`10:37.39`	`jjb_`	`RewriteRule ^/files/(.*) http://files.wowace.%1/$1 [R,L,NE]`
`10:37.41`	`krynn-`	`use`
`10:37.43`	`krynn-`	`yea`
`10:37.46`	`jjb_`	`i forgot`
`10:38.58`	`jjb_`	`iam the rewriterulemasterrulewriterruler :)`
`10:39.09`	`Kaelten`	`jjb_: the trick is files.wowace.com is a lightty server where www.wowace.com is an apache server`
`10:39.43`	`CIA-17`	`03ammo 07Ammo * r25525 10Postal/Postal/ (6 files in 4 dirs): Postal: file shuffling`
`10:39.51`	`jjb_`	`you can use the apache also as downloadserver`
`10:39.58`	`phyber`	`if the .net is only temporary, why do you care about matching it?`
`10:40.26`	`Kaelten`	`phyber: because I'm user oriented`
`10:40.40`	`phyber`	`are you using VirtualHosts to define this stuff?`
`10:40.44`	`Kaelten`	`jjb_: I know, but lightty is a little better for static files`
`10:41.00`	`Kaelten`	`phyber: hrm? which stuff?`
`10:41.10`	`phyber`	`the ServerNames in apache.`
`10:41.52`	`jjb_`	`thats also possible, yes`
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`10:42.16`	`Kaelten`	`phyber: no, the Virtualhosts respond to ip addresses`
`10:42.20`	`phyber`	`if it was done in VirtualHosts, you could add the .net as a ServerAlias to the .com VHost, and then you don't need to bother with Rewrite.`
`10:42.42`	`CIA-17`	`03ammo 07Ammo * r25526 10Postal/Postal/Postal.toc: Postal: toc tweaking for saved vars`
`10:42.43`	`phyber`	`ok.`
`10:42.45`	`Tekkub`	`okey, with KodoReview I'm thinking we should give two scores.`
`10:42.59`	`Tekkub`	`one for user impact, how efficient the addon runs`
`10:43.04`	`*** join/#wowace Hjalte (n=chatzill@bw1.svend-es.dk)`
`10:43.05`	`phyber`	`Kaelten: also, I know VHosts are bound to IPs ;)`
`10:43.28`	`Kaelten`	`jjb_: does RewriteCond stay in effect for multiple rules?`
`10:43.45`	`Tekkub`	`and one for other coders, how nicely the code is laid out... things like leading tabs instead of lpaces, no semicolons, on nested ifs when and could be used, etc`
`10:43.56`	`Tekkub`	`stuff that doesn't directly effect performance`
`10:43.59`	`zirah`	`Kaelten: no`
`10:44.06`	`CIA-17`	`03ammo 07Ammo * r25527 10Postal/Postal/Internals/ (BagLib-1.0.lua PostalLib-1.0.lua): Postal: properties set`
`10:44.07`	`jjb_`	`counting only for the following rewriterule`
`10:44.15`	`Kaelten`	`ok, gotcha`
`10:44.31`	`Hjalte`	`Is it somehow possible to have use multible cycirle skins used?`
`10:46.14`	`jjb_`	`Hjalte: i think the skins are global`
`10:47.05`	`Hjalte`	`jjb_: I just wish there was a way to have eg 2 bars skinned with one skin and 2 other bars with another skin.`
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`10:49.26`	`CIA-17`	`03ammo 07Ammo * r25528 10Postal/Postal/ (. Libs/ Postal.toc): Postal: externals corrected`
`10:50.29`	`Adirelle\|work`	`Tekkub: split your second note in two : I don't think tabs/semicolons/nested if would mind, but chosing good variables/methods names, adding comments, avoid too long files, etc... is more important`
`10:50.36`	`Kaelten`	`sites going down in 10 mins.`
`10:50.49`	`[Ammo]`	`including svn?`
`10:50.50`	`Kaelten`	`I'll be shutting everything off, including svn`
`10:50.53`	`[Ammo]`	`ah ok`
`10:50.58`	`Tekkub`	`I'm writing a wiki page, one sex`
`10:51.02`	`Kaelten`	`wella ctually... svn.wowace.com will work`
`10:51.09`	`Kaelten`	`I'll leave squid up`
`10:51.27`	`Adirelle\|work`	`Tekkub: oki`
`10:51.29`	`Kaelten`	`but dev.wowace.com is going down!`
`10:52.01`	`[Ammo]`	`oh noes`
`10:52.07`	`[Ammo]`	`just while me and rabbit were taking an axe to postal`
`10:52.12`	`[Ammo]`	`aka going postal on postal`
`10:52.19`	`Kaelten`	`lol`
`10:53.15`	`[Ammo]`	`it'll be for the best though`
`10:53.31`	`Kaelten`	`well dev.wowace.net will be up soon though`
`10:53.48`	`Kaelten`	`so if you want you can use it until the propgation is done.`
`10:53.48`	Funkeh`	`new server?`
`10:53.52`	`Kaelten`	Funkeh`: yep
`10:53.57`	Funkeh`	`sweet`
`10:54.22`	Funkeh`	`a replacemenet or an addon?`
`10:54.28`	`Kaelten`	`replacement`
`10:54.36`	Funkeh`	`cool`
`10:54.37`	`Kaelten`	`probably the last vertical upgrade though`
`10:54.45`	`Kaelten`	`if we expand again it'll be horizontal`
`10:55.25`	Funkeh`	`would be could to have some kind of randomizing script to fetch files from mutliple servers, when you do the next one :P`
`10:55.39`	`Kaelten`	Funkeh`: its on the list actually, just not ready yet
`10:55.45`	`Kaelten`	`we're going to have multiple mirrors soon`
`10:55.50`	`Kaelten`	`5 mins till server dies`
`10:56.32`	`nee\|lap`	`You shall live on in our memories.`
`10:59.50`	`GoogleSearch`	`Hum... what are the new names of GMail & oCB?`
`11:00.39`	`[Ammo]`	`oCB is on fuxsake.net or you could use CBRipOff`
`11:00.43`	`[Ammo]`	`GMail = Postal`
`11:00.44`	`ckknight`	`GoogleSearch: Postal`
`11:01.00`	`[Ammo]`	`Postal is undergoing surgery atm in branches :p`
`11:01.32`	`GoogleSearch`	`Thanks ;) Does oCB still use Ace2?`
`11:01.41`	`[Ammo]`	`yeah`
`11:01.43`	`*** join/#wowace Vegeta]BT[ (n=Vegeta-G@pD950446A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de)`
`11:01.43`	`nee\|lap`	`Hm. I am getting a lot of Fubar errors`
`11:01.49`	`nee\|lap`	`too many for Bugsack tolog`
`11:01.58`	`GoogleSearch`	`Hmm why did it go on Fuxsake?`
`11:02.08`	`nee\|lap`	`SetPoint errors`
`11:02.12`	`[Ammo]`	`because some korean guy couldn't restrain himself from committing changes to it`
`11:02.18`	`Kaelten`	`ok, last call`
`11:02.22`	`[Ammo]`	`while haste asked people not to commit without permission`
`11:02.37`	`[Ammo]`	`and had even added a big disclaimer on top of the files`
`11:02.45`	`[Ammo]`	`the koKR guy just ignored it`
`11:02.46`	`Vegeta]BT[`	`Can anyone tell my, why the Bartender3 Addon no longer displays cooldown timers on the action bars ?`
`11:02.55`	`GoogleSearch`	`[Ammo]: Thanks ;)`
`11:02.57`	`[Ammo]`	`because you should use OmniCC vegeta`
`11:02.59`	`nee\|lap`	`Vegeta]BT[: Use OmniCC. It's not Ace, but it's good`
`11:03.22`	`Vegeta]BT[`	`ah ok thx :)`
`11:03.55`	`Kaelten`	`going once`
`11:03.58`	`vhaarr`	`GoogleSearch: CBRipoff is on the SVN, though.`
`11:03.58`	`Kaelten`	`going twice`
`11:04.17`	`GoogleSearch`	`vhaarr: Is it the same than oCB?`
`11:04.26`	`phyber`	`Kaelten: is the Ace2 version of KCI working well enough to replace the old one?`
`11:04.36`	`vhaarr`	`GoogleSearch: yes`
`11:04.42`	`GoogleSearch`	`Thanks, I'll use this one ;)`
`11:05.02`	`jjb_`	`Kaelten: you have now a new server?`
`11:05.11`	`nymbia`	`i've been getting errors on and off with addons trying to move their frames when my combat state is sporadic.. if i blinks on and off, i think InCombatLockdown() must be returning the wrong value.`
`11:05.34`	`Kaelten`	`phyber: not yet`
`11:05.40`	`Kaelten`	`had to put a hold on it temporarily`
`11:05.48`	`phyber`	`ah`
`11:05.48`	`Kaelten`	`jjb_: ya getting ready for the move now`
`11:06.34`	`ckknight`	`nymbia: there's a failsafe method in AceEvent to execute functions out of combat...`
`11:06.47`	`ckknight`	`people should use it.`
`11:06.51`	`Kaelten`	`ok wiki forums and dev svn is all dead`
`11:06.51`	`jjb_`	`ckknight: how?`
`11:07.01`	`ckknight`	`look on the wiki`
`11:07.22`	`Kaelten`	`ckknight: wiki is down atm :P`
`11:07.28`	`[Ammo]`	`hehe`
`11:07.28`	`jjb_`	`hihi`
`11:07.30`	`ckknight`	`well, after.`
`11:07.44`	`jjb_`	`google cache is your friend :)`
`11:08.03`	`Kaelten`	`lol`
`11:08.21`	`[Ammo]`	`google cache owns :)`
`11:08.38`	`[Ammo]`	`after a big fire at datacenter on the university of twente here in the netherlands we wrote a program to spider the googlecache`
`11:08.50`	`[Ammo]`	`and were able to restore 75% of data that was not backup'd :p`
`11:09.09`	`[Ammo]`	`(from websites obviously)`
`11:09.43`	`jjb_`	`hehe, nice`
`11:10.12`	`Kaelten`	`lol`
`11:10.13`	`Kaelten`	`nice`
`11:10.51`	`[Ammo]`	`they gave us a keg of beer for our efforts :)`
`11:10.52`	`jjb_`	`iam also administrating a big german searchengine, and i always asked for a site cache, but they dont want :)`
`11:11.22`	`Kaelten`	`lol`
`11:11.24`	`jjb_`	`we have a other feature`
`11:11.33`	`[Ammo]`	`good old student days`
`11:14.14`	`jjb_`	`hmm, i cant find the apidocu for aceevent`
`11:14.23`	`jjb_`	`only a redirectpage`
`11:15.16`	`[Ammo]`	`Kaelten: so we'll have to wait for DNS propagation?`
`11:15.26`	`jjb_`	`http://209.85.129.104/search?q=cache:MnYfypJclV8J:www.wowace.com/wiki/AceEvent-2.0_API_Documentation+wowace+aceevent&hl=de&gl=de&ct=clnk&cd=2`
`11:15.29`	`jjb_`	`got it :)`
`11:17.38`	`Kaelten`	`[Ammo]: not quite. I'm going to bring up wowace.net before the propogation is done`
`11:17.50`	`[Ammo]`	`ah ok`
`11:17.57`	`Kaelten`	`dns records have started prop, and are also cleaned up some`
`11:18.17`	Funkeh`	`wowace.net a temp url? 2nd? or replacement?`
`11:18.31`	`Kaelten`	`right now my little data gathering script is getting the last copy of the dbs and everything togather on the old server`
`11:18.35`	`Kaelten`	Funkeh`: 2nd
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`11:22.02`	`Adirelle\|work`	`during the down : http://novelconcepts.co.uk/FlashElementTD/ rocks :)`
`11:22.20`	`Tekkub`	`damnit kael`
`11:22.34`	`Neebler`	`http://lh4.google.com/image/neebler/Ra9YOQ-LOQI/AAAAAAAACAQ/na_cB4gL9Kw/1168505876195.jpg`
`11:22.39`	`Neebler`	`cutest thing in existance? confirm/deny`
`11:22.55`	`Tekkub`	`<PROTECTED>`
`11:23.04`	`Kaelten`	`Tekkub: hrm?`
`11:23.14`	`Kaelten`	`lol its a 3gb file I'm transfering.`
`11:23.35`	`Kaelten`	`its going 600-900kb/s at least`
`11:23.54`	`Tekkub`	`cutest thing in existance: a herd of kittens scampering across a linoleum floor toward stairs as your roommate tis on said stairs pushing said kittens backwards across the floor`
`11:24.35`	`Tekkub`	`kael: just trying to make a wiki page for KodoReview, asshole`
`11:25.10`	`Kaelten`	`I gave warning :(`
`11:25.19`	`Tekkub`	`I was typing at the time`
`11:25.23`	`Kaelten`	`woops`
`11:25.25`	`Kaelten`	`sorry :)`
`11:25.36`	`Kaelten`	`wowace.net will be up in ~ 1hr`
`11:26.12`	`Tekkub`	`fine...`
`11:26.19`	`*** join/#wowace ^^sun (n=sun@ARouen-152-1-135-77.w90-22.abo.wanadoo.fr)`
`11:26.20`	`Tekkub`	`KodoReview proposal: http://ace.pastey.net/5219`
`11:29.04`	`wereHamster`	`how do I make cia print these nicely colored messages for my project?`
`11:29.26`	`Neebler`	`tekkub yes that's cute. but it's also mildly cruel`
`11:29.37`	`Tekkub`	`nope, not cruel`
`11:29.44`	`Tekkub`	`they kept running back for more`
`11:29.48`	`Tekkub`	`they were having fun`
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`11:32.31`	`Kaelten-Laptop`	`one thing I will say is that it does need to be a positive force and not discourage new authors by stinging reviews.`
`11:32.59`	`Elkano`	`add ck's coding tips and such stuff to the page, too`
`11:34.26`	`Tekkub`	`Kael, I say give the author the reviews and let them choose to have it published or take the review to rework code`
`11:34.42`	`Tekkub`	`but it's all or nothing, they can't select to let the good reviews through`
`11:35.06`	`ckknight`	`agreed.`
`11:35.38`	`Tekkub`	`but if they want to send code through KR until they get review they like that's fine`
`11:35.49`	`Tekkub`	`cause they're fixing their addon in the process`
`11:35.56`	`Tekkub`	`which is exactly what we want`
`11:36.05`	`ckknight`	`and frankly, I think 1 bad review trumps all good reviews...`
`11:36.13`	`nee\|lap`	`yup.`
`11:36.56`	`Tekkub`	`you just want to make bad reviews`
`11:37.27`	`ckknight`	`no`
`11:37.39`	`ckknight`	`you have to back up your review otherwise it's meaningless`
`11:38.05`	`Tekkub`	`checklist!`
`11:38.35`	`[dRaCo]`	`makes sense.`
`11:38.51`	`Tekkub`	`that's why we want clearly defined benchmarks, so that it should matter much which reviewer goes through your code`
`11:38.59`	`Tekkub`	`*shouldn't`
`11:39.33`	`ckknight`	`yea.`
`11:39.57`	`[dRaCo]`	`working out that checklist sounds like a lot of work, though...`
`11:40.35`	`Tekkub`	`well I've put up my proposed points`
`11:40.44`	`Tekkub`	`once the wiki is back we can discuss`
`11:42.09`	`Kaelten-Laptop`	`and I'll get its own wiki soon.`
`11:43.09`	`ckknight`	`we should have versioning`
`11:43.13`	`ckknight`	`Kodo Stamp 1.0`
`11:43.17`	`ckknight`	`in case we add new points`
`11:43.25`	`Tekkub`	`yea we should`
`11:43.40`	`Tekkub`	`I forget smart use of getglobal/getfenv(0) in there`
`11:44.48`	`ckknight`	`well, _G is now available to us`
`11:44.57`	`ckknight`	`but it's still good to put it into a local`
`11:45.23`	`Tekkub`	`yea, my point is getglobal is fine in moderation, but heavy use should be replaced with a local _G = getfenv(0)`
`11:45.55`	`Tekkub`	`god I almost want to grade Blizzy's code with this :)`
`11:46.08`	`Tekkub`	`big -- grades for their use of globals :)`
`11:46.11`	`Kaelten-Laptop`	`lol`
`11:46.33`	`Tekkub`	`at least 2.0 gave frames a big upgrade to use the self stuff`
`11:46.42`	`Tekkub`	`I hated 'this'`
`11:46.56`	`Tekkub`	`not all the event handlers use the passed vars tho`
`11:47.10`	`Tekkub`	`in fact I think mose use the globals`
`11:48.01`	`nymbia`	`yeah`
`11:48.49`	`[dRaCo]`	`yay!`
`11:48.57`	`[dRaCo]`	`my copy of bc finally arrived!`
`11:49.13`	`Adirelle\|work`	`tekkub => s/Proper closures/Tail call/`
`11:49.23`	`Tekkub`	`that's the phrase`
`11:49.32`	`Tekkub`	`I knew that was wrong`
`11:49.52`	`Adirelle\|work`	`I know, that's why I give you the right one`
`11:49.54`	`nee\|lap`	`Congrats [dRaCo] :)`
`11:51.49`	`Adirelle\|work`	`Tekkub: also make a separate point about semicolons (actually included in whitespaces)`
`11:52.04`	`[dRaCo]`	`does the bc installer change anything on my interface folder�`
`11:52.07`	`Tekkub`	`wait for the wiki :P`
`11:52.12`	`Adirelle\|work`	`oki :)`
`11:52.15`	`Tekkub`	`no dra`
`11:52.23`	`Adirelle\|work`	`[dRaCo]: don't forget to disable your antivirus before installing`
`11:52.29`	`Tekkub`	`BC == 2.0.3`
`11:52.41`	`Adirelle\|work`	`(and reenable it after)`
`11:52.46`	`[dRaCo]`	`^^`
`11:52.47`	`[dRaCo]`	`thanks`
`11:53.11`	`Tekkub`	`only diff is that it adds the terain/models for the new zones`
`11:53.20`	`Tekkub`	`everything else was already in 2.0.3`
`11:53.54`	`Tekkub`	`actually... probably not even models since non-BCers can see hunters with new pets and such`
`11:54.19`	`Tekkub`	`so I say the TBC installer is for the new terrain only :)`
`11:54.34`	`ckknight`	`yea, pretty much`
`11:54.46`	`ckknight`	`well, some models were in the patch`
`11:54.50`	`ckknight`	`but not nearly all`
`11:55.10`	`nee\|lap`	`There are plenty of new models which can not be found outside of Outland and are not pets :)`
`11:55.19`	`nee\|lap`	`Perhaps Outland music?`
`11:55.23`	`Tekkub`	`I still need a roar sound for draenei and blood melfs`
`11:55.59`	`Tekkub`	`Rawr! doesn't work for them /cry`
`11:56.09`	`neurotech`	`is there some sort of addon ace or no ace that lets me blacklist people?`
`11:56.35`	`neurotech`	`like it alerts me when a night elf hunter I hate appears for example?`
`11:56.47`	`[Ammo]`	`tried searching addons sites yet?`
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`11:56.57`	`yacoob`	`back then I was using Badapples`
`11:56.58`	`Tekkub`	`is the ingore list not sufficient: :P`
`11:58.18`	`[dRaCo]`	`there is a kill-on-sight-addon`
`11:58.50`	`neurotech`	`TA`
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`12:00.35`	`ckknight`	`Tekkub: for your testing values thing with if x == 'a' and such, it really should only be done with large sets.`
`12:00.39`	`[dRaCo]`	`http://ui.worldofwar.net/ui.php?id=2715 <-- here's one`
`12:00.43`	`[dRaCo]`	`dunno if it's good`
`12:00.48`	`ckknight`	`only 4 checks is probably better in if-form`
`12:01.12`	`Tekkub`	`yea, I figured that'd prolly fall under performance`
`12:01.23`	`Tekkub`	`just need some threshold for it`
`12:01.39`	`[dRaCo]`	`that installer is slow`
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`12:02.52`	`krka`	`also depending on how common different cases are`
`12:03.19`	`krka`	`if 4 cases occur 95% of the times, if statements are definately better`
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`12:04.39`	`[dRaCo]`	`o0`
`12:04.46`	`[dRaCo]`	`now the installer wants cd 4`
`12:04.52`	`[dRaCo]`	`there are just 3!`
`12:04.59`	`Tekkub`	`uh, there's 4`
`12:05.04`	`Tekkub`	`you were ripped off`
`12:05.28`	`[dRaCo]`	`the key worked.`
`12:05.40`	`[Ammo]`	`draco: check your manual nub`
`12:05.43`	`[dRaCo]`	`and the case was sealed`
`12:05.44`	`Tekkub`	`so return it and get a second key grin`
`12:05.57`	`[Ammo]`	`behind the manual there's disc 4`
`12:06.06`	`[Ammo]`	`it's to force people to read it!`
`12:06.20`	`[dRaCo]`	`nope... it was wrapped in some paper`
`12:06.34`	`phyber`	`man, someone who can't even discover CD4. /general is looking forward to having you!`
`12:06.46`	`phyber`	`;)`
`12:06.51`	`[dRaCo]`	`:�`
`12:06.56`	`Tekkub`	`read?`
`12:07.10`	`Tekkub`	`how exactly was that supposed to work?`
`12:07.40`	`Tekkub`	`now, I could see taping it to the back of the box insert and telling people to read the manual when you ask for D4`
`12:07.58`	`Tekkub`	`but that won't work too well either :)`
`12:08.01`	`[dRaCo]`	`^^`
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`12:08.11`	`mkzwo`	`;)`
`12:08.19`	`Tekkub`	`see me with the box was like xmas/bday cards...`
`12:08.31`	`yacoob`	`basically it looks like blizz didn't plan it again`
`12:08.33`	`Kaelten-Laptop`	`SHIT`
`12:08.42`	`Tekkub`	`rip it apart, flip it over and dump everything on my desk, look for cash/check`
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`12:08.47`	`[dRaCo]`	`I want a DVD version`
`12:08.51`	`[dRaCo]`	`cant be that hard...`
`12:08.55`	`yacoob`	`'- Hey, it DOESN'T fit on 3 cds! - So? - There's no space for fourth!?! - Ah bugger... just stick it somewhere...'`
`12:09.12`	`nymbia`	`[dRaCo]: i've got a dvd version`
`12:09.15`	`krynn-`	`just make one`
`12:09.18`	`greylock`	`idd`
`12:09.24`	`krynn-`	`i made a dvd version that has all patches to current`
`12:09.26`	`Tekkub`	`I wanted a DVD version, but then I figured with the patch and the lack of need for an installer, I'd just make a DVD with my folder after I installed`
`12:09.29`	`nymbia`	`[dRaCo]: collector's edition has it ;)`
`12:09.30`	`Tekkub`	`... I need to do that`
`12:09.30`	`greylock`	`copy the files into one folder, burn, done`
`12:09.34`	`Kaelten-Laptop`	`does wget support resuming?`
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`12:09.40`	`phyber`	`yeah`
`12:09.41`	`krynn-`	`its 5.5gb of loving`
`12:09.42`	`*** mode/#wowace [+o Kaelten] by ChanServ`
`12:09.43`	`Tekkub`	`Kael's fucked`
`12:10.00`	`phyber`	`Kaelten-Laptop: you want -c`
`12:10.30`	`phyber`	`as long as the server supports resuming, it will.`
`12:10.33`	`Tekkub`	`hrm... 6+GiB here, I need to go get some DL discs :)`
`12:10.54`	`Tekkub`	`and maybe I'll actually get Lightscribe to force me to get a LS burner`
`12:11.08`	`Kaelten-Laptop`	`thank god.`
`12:11.12`	`Kaelten-Laptop`	`it was 95% done`
`12:11.15`	`Tekkub`	`I do still have $100 of xmas money left`
`12:11.32`	`jjb_`	`i bought TBC for my wife, and she had 3x CD2 inside :)`
`12:11.44`	`nymbia`	`jjb_: rofl`
`12:12.00`	`Dranor`	`7.4GiB`
`12:12.10`	`Dranor`	`and i don't have spanish locales`
`12:12.11`	`krynn-`	`mines 5.5 and i dont have TBC`
`12:12.18`	`Dranor`	`(thank god)`
`12:12.28`	`[Ammo]`	`Kaelten: got a link to the specs of the new server?`
`12:12.28`	`Tekkub`	`krynn-, then you don't count, slacker`
`12:12.29`	`nee\|lap`	`7gb here`
`12:12.55`	`jjb_`	`so i got 1 key for free`
`12:13.33`	`Tekkub`	`CD2 had the key on it?`
`12:13.37`	`jjb_`	`they changed the box, but she already used the key :)`
`12:13.46`	`[Ammo]`	`hehe`
`12:13.47`	`Tekkub`	`oh iceee`
`12:13.48`	`Tekkub`	`heh`
`12:14.07`	`Tekkub`	`lemee guess, you installed with your discs for her`
`12:14.14`	`jjb_`	`of course`
`12:14.15`	`Tekkub`	`then went and got your free key anyway`
`12:14.20`	`Tekkub`	`eBay!`
`12:14.27`	`Tekkub`	`make a nice $20 off it :)`
`12:14.28`	`jjb_`	`no my workmate got it`
`12:14.35`	`Tekkub`	`you still get $20?`
`12:14.56`	`jjb_`	`he paid my pizza yesterday :)`
`12:15.01`	`Tekkub`	`go back and demand a refund`
`12:15.23`	`Tekkub`	`pizza ~= $40`
`12:15.28`	`jjb_`	`no 7?`
`12:15.33`	`nymbia`	`demand more pizzas?`
`12:16.03`	`Tekkub`	`yea, more food`
`12:16.12`	`[dRaCo]`	`make him bring you coffee the whole year :D`
`12:16.13`	`jjb_`	`dont know the $-? rate atm`
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`12:16.55`	`jjb_`	`TBC costs around 34?`
`12:17.05`	`[dRaCo]`	`I paid 29�`
`12:17.08`	`Tekkub`	`pizza's like $10-15 for one usually`
`12:17.27`	`jjb_`	`what size?`
`12:17.29`	`Xelar`	`any oneline shops that sells TBC keys ?`
`12:18.06`	`[dRaCo]`	`gamersloot does`
`12:18.14`	`[dRaCo]`	`dunno if they can be trusted, though ^^`
`12:18.18`	`Xelar`	`hehe`
`12:18.32`	`Xelar`	`true cant hurt to trye`
`12:18.49`	`jjb_`	`any lvl70 chars on us-realms?`
`12:18.55`	`Xelar`	`only me :p`
`12:19.38`	`jjb_`	`i reached lvl61 yesterday`
`12:20.16`	`Xelar`	`:D`
`12:20.21`	`Xelar`	`im almost 61 :P`
`12:20.22`	`Xelar`	`hehe`
`12:20.31`	`Xelar`	`missing 60k xp or something :P`
`12:20.37`	`jjb_`	`and i only have 4 T2 left`
`12:20.48`	`Xelar`	`hehe`
`12:20.56`	`bver`	`hey nymbia, you dont happen to play on illidan do you?`
`12:21.03`	`Xelar`	`i got all my bwl/AQ40 loot`
`12:21.04`	`Xelar`	`still :)`
`12:21.08`	`[dRaCo]`	`is there a complete lootlist for the hellfire citadel yet?`
`12:21.39`	`Tekkub`	`wowwiki had at least partial`
`12:21.43`	`nee\|lap`	`Most likely, but I want to be surprised:)`
`12:21.44`	`jjb_`	`i have a human femal mage with this AQ20 pink robe`
`12:21.48`	`Vegeta]BT[`	`It seems that there is a Problem with the WinAce Updater. Is it fixed yet ?`
`12:21.55`	`bver`	`working on 67!`
`12:21.55`	`nymbia`	`bver: yeah i do`
`12:22.03`	`Tekkub`	`there won't be lists for hero mode yet tho :)`
`12:22.08`	`bver`	`oh, haha, i saw you running around the other day`
`12:22.12`	`bver`	`im in Blood LEgion`
`12:22.31`	`bver`	`mage right?`
`12:22.33`	`Vegeta]BT[`	`Tekkub, there are Lootlists for the heroic mode`
`12:22.36`	`nymbia`	`bver: oh cool :)`
`12:22.36`	`jjb_`	`i entered the portal, got the first quest, and reward was better than the pink robe, but i didnt changed it :)`
`12:22.41`	`nymbia`	`bver: yeah`
`12:22.49`	`Tekkub`	`yes but not rattified for Live :)`
`12:22.51`	`Vegeta]BT[`	`in Atlas Loot Link Enhanced, there you can switch`
`12:23.00`	`Vegeta]BT[`	`ah ok thats right ^^`
`12:25.28`	`bver`	`nymbia: what level are you at now ? ;p`
`12:25.45`	`Tovort`	`thottbot beta is still good for the new loot`
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`12:26.05`	`nymbia`	`bver: 64.5`
`12:27.34`	`bver`	`nymbia: can you /who 65-70 and tell me the highest level?`
`12:28.25`	`nymbia`	`bver: nothing over 65, 6 of those online`
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`12:29.03`	`bver`	`yeah i think this druid is gonna wint he raice to 70`
`12:29.07`	`odt`	`w've got a 66 in our guild`
`12:29.08`	`bver`	`never logs`
`12:29.11`	`odt`	`no tricks involved`
`12:29.16`	`bver`	`yeah im 66`
`12:29.17`	`Tovort`	`Druid is crazy good in BC`
`12:29.22`	`bver`	`40% into 67`
`12:29.37`	`sbu`	`bah... i'm still 61, no need to powerlvel :o`
`12:29.41`	`odt`	`my pally is only 25`
`12:29.45`	`bver`	`ill deffinatley be the first level 70 lock, but i dunno about overall`
`12:29.48`	`Tovort`	`on my server a druid is leading on horde side as well`
`12:30.00`	`odt`	`yesterday i made no progress thanks to the realms restarting and kalimdor being down`
`12:30.13`	`bver`	`its been pretty stable on our server`
`12:30.20`	`odt`	`the best pally we have is lvl31 i think`
`12:30.47`	`nymbia`	`bver: nice. a guy in my guild was winning on alliance, but he passed out like 16 hours ago and hasnt been on since, lol`
`12:30.52`	`Tovort`	`^^ those crashes were a pain for me as I had get me an epic mount`
`12:31.09`	`odt`	`nymbia: someone checked if he's still alive? :P`
`12:31.14`	`Tovort`	`are there class trainers in the outlands?`
`12:31.26`	`odt`	`Tovort: yes`
`12:31.30`	`Tovort`	`were?`
`12:31.40`	`nymbia`	`odt: lol ;) i could call him, but i dont think he'd appreciate that.`
`12:31.58`	`odt`	`Tovort: dno, was just a guess`
`12:35.00`	`nymbia`	`Tovort: nope`
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`12:35.25`	`Stephmw`	`nymbia: had a bit of a play last night with WINE... it's interesting that Outland is giving me a 5C temp increase for my gfx card ;)`
`12:35.42`	`nymbia`	`Stephmw: lol`
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`12:37.14`	`Tekkub`	`okey, something else to add to KodoReview`
`12:37.35`	`zoktar`	`illigal character in WAU ?`
`12:37.40`	`Tekkub`	`not spamming the user on startup, and not printing to the chatframe withou identifying yourself`
`12:38.17`	`Tekkub`	`printing "OMG I LOADED!" is only okey if the user can disable it or it only happens on the first load`
`12:38.31`	`Stephmw`	`nymbia: it was nice that I was able to emerge the latest WINe and not have to apply any patches though... ah well, let you know how I get on when I get back from my holiday`
`12:38.32`	`krynn-`	`100% agree with that one`
`12:38.38`	`krynn-`	`i hate that shit i always remove them manually`
`12:38.54`	`nymbia`	`Stephmw: good luck ;)`
`12:39.08`	`Tekkub`	`yea, not give those messages has been like THE core Ace value since before I came here :)`
`12:39.48`	`zoktar`	`so svn is down then ?`
`12:40.41`	`Kaelten`	`zoktar: www.wowace.com`
`12:40.41`	`Tekkub`	`oh and another thing to add (that might bite Acers in the ass :) don't recode a mod and release it without giving credit to your source`
`12:40.42`	`zoktar`	`Kaelten thnx =)`
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`12:41.25`	`zoktar`	`svn.wowace.com will still work because I'm going to leave squid up and thats not hosted on our machine., does that not mean that WAU should work ?`
`12:42.24`	`Kaelten`	`no`
`12:42.24`	`Kaelten`	`WAU is done off of files`
`12:42.24`	`Tekkub`	`oh yea, no "Rowne variable names" either`
`12:42.24`	`zoktar`	`oh`
`12:42.24`	`Tekkub`	`local ii <-- WTF does this do?`
`12:42.30`	`nymbia`	`hahaha`
`12:42.34`	`krka`	`obviously it's an integer index`
`12:42.43`	`Kaelten`	`zoktar: I'm going to have a files mirror up in just a moment`
`12:42.49`	`Tekkub`	`if not iBSL[ii]`
`12:42.52`	`Tekkub`	`???`
`12:43.11`	`Kaelten`	`I don't know Tekkub he was convinced that sped things up`
`12:43.15`	`krka`	`integer BinarySpaceLocation[integerIndex]`
`12:43.21`	`Tekkub`	`it doesn't`
`12:43.28`	`Tekkub`	`and it makes code reading harder`
`12:43.32`	`nymbia`	`rofl`
`12:43.33`	`Kaelten`	`I know, and I told him. but he wouldn't listen`
`12:43.36`	`krka`	`it makes compiling the code faster :P`
`12:43.59`	`Tekkub`	`oh yes, cause code compilation is a bitch when it happens mid-raid`
`12:44.28`	`nymbia`	`i think the extra hundredth of a second is a good sacrifice for legible code`
`12:45.08`	`krka`	`well, people do seem to care about loading times`
`12:45.33`	`nymbia`	`there's a dozen other things you could do that'd make a whole lot more difference`
`12:46.46`	`zirah`	`nymbia: PT3 is the current version or are you going to publish PT4 the next days ;-P`
`12:46.59`	`nymbia`	`zirah: lol`
`12:47.26`	`nymbia`	`wasnt planning on it`
`12:47.27`	`zirah`	`(i just updated from PT1 to PT 2 - then i saw PT 3 in svn and updated (yesterday))`
`12:47.31`	`nymbia`	`but you never know`
`12:48.30`	`zirah`	`and why change the set names with every version? ;-)`
`12:49.07`	`nymbia`	`to frustrate you.`
`12:49.15`	`zirah`	`indeed`
`12:49.35`	`Silviu-`	`Bad nymbia,`
`12:49.40`	`Silviu-`	`all flame him :/`
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`12:50.13`	`nymbia`	`~blame nymbia`
`12:50.28`	`purl`	`ACTION blames nymbia (and Canada) for all the evil in the world`
`12:50.28`	`zirah`	`hey i am happy that i don't have to collect the itemdata myself`
`12:56.40`	`[dRaCo]`	`how does cyCircled work? does the specific mod have to support it or is it all on cyCircled's site?`
`12:56.47`	`[dRaCo]`	`s/site/side/`
`12:57.56`	`groll`	`not sure if i should post this here since it might be the plugin that is doing it but i'll post it anyway :P`
`12:57.57`	`groll`	`[2007/01/18 13:58:02-187-x1]: cyCircled-0.2\core.lua:237: attempt to index field '?' (a nil value)<in C code>: ?AceEvent-2.0-23383 (Ace2):427: in function <Interface\AddOns\Ace2\AceEvent-2.0\AceEvent-2.0.lua:403> ---`
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`12:58.52`	`Kaelten`	`how do you run a file in linux while cancling out its PATH at the same time?`
`12:59.19`	`Kaelten`	`I can't remember the syntax`
`13:00.12`	`Xelar`	`hmm`
`13:00.20`	`Xelar`	`./`
`13:00.33`	`Kaelten`	`its something like PATH="" ./file`
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`13:04.03`	`Xelar`	`hmm`
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`13:04.21`	`Xelar`	`i normaly just use screen program i think :p`
`13:04.21`	`Xelar`	`hehe`
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`13:06.02`	`Xelar`	`cant really rember , havent used linux as desktop for like 2years now`
`13:06.20`	`Xelar`	`back then i rember gentoo was the thing to use :)`
`13:06.43`	`yacoob`	`Kaelten, yeah, that would do. But why would you want to do that?`
`13:07.04`	`CIA-17`	`03 * r 10/:`
`13:07.27`	Funkeh`	`omg`
`13:07.29`	Funkeh`	`is speaks`
`13:07.39`	Funkeh`	`be afraid!`
`13:08.05`	`yacoob`	`cIA gained self conciousness?`
`13:08.13`	`yacoob`	`(or whatever the spelling of the word is :)`
`13:08.29`	Funkeh`	`artificial inteligence`
`13:08.48`	Funkeh`	`my logic is undeniable`
`13:09.13`	`yacoob`	Funkeh`, artificial stupidity
`13:09.16`	`CIA-17`	`03 * r 10/:`
`13:09.24`	`_neuron_`	`nothing artificial about stupidity`
`13:10.02`	Funkeh`	`nothing logical about stupidity`
`13:10.12`	`CIA-17`	`03 * r 10/:`
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`13:10.26`	`CIA-17`	`ow`
`13:14.06`	`Tekkub`	`fuck it, I don't care about the ignore list anyway, I'm removing that code`
`13:14.22`	`_neuron_`	`hehe`
`13:14.31`	`_neuron_`	`eek`
`13:14.34`	`_neuron_`	`wowace.com is dead`
`13:14.48`	`yacoob`	`noo! medic!`
`13:15.12`	`_neuron_`	`dammit I need the wiki documentation :P`
`13:16.20`	Funkeh`	`i heard clicking donate and typing in 1000 gets you a special pass`
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`13:17.01`	`Stylpe`	`OMG WHY SIET DOWN`
`13:17.11`	`Stylpe`	`You didn't put the reason in the topic`
`13:17.30`	`_neuron_`	`i heard clicking donate and typing in 1000 gets you a special pass`
`13:17.33`	`_neuron_`	`:p`
`13:18.05`	`Stylpe`	`Awesome, is that like som esecret code? But I can't find the Donate button when the site's down =(`
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`13:18.39`	Funkeh`	`indeed`
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`13:21.53`	`Stylpe`	`It works :O`
`13:23.22`	`Adirelle\|work`	`Tekkub: a question bout function closures`
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`13:23.42`	`Adirelle\|work`	`when doing something like function A() local function inner() end end`
`13:23.52`	`Adirelle\|work`	`is the inner function instantiated for each call of A ?`
`13:24.33`	`Adirelle\|work`	`hmm... maybe should I throw in some local variables to get it more tricky`
`13:25.16`	`Adirelle\|work`	`=> function A(arg1) local function inner(innerArg) return arg1 + innerArg end; return inner end`
`13:25.45`	`Adirelle\|work`	`depending on how it works, it may be interesting to talk about it in KodoReview`
`13:26.25`	`Adirelle\|work`	`I've seen code badly readable because of useless inner local function`
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`13:30.21`	`Kaelten`	`.net is back up`
`13:30.25`	`krka`	`if the function uses some upvalues, it creates a new closure everytime the definition is "reached"`
`13:30.35`	`krka`	`otherwise, i think there's only one function created`
`13:32.07`	`krka`	`actually... i think there's always a new closure`
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`13:32.49`	`krka`	`basically, avoid instantiating new functions unless you actually need seperate functions`
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`13:39.37`	`Nickenyfiken`	`http://files.wowace.com/ seems to work too`
`13:39.59`	`Kaelten-Laptop`	`yep parts of the dns propogation is already done`
`13:40.03`	`Kaelten-Laptop`	`dev.wowace.com isn't working yet`
`13:40.07`	`Kaelten-Laptop`	`but devn.wowace.net does`
`13:40.08`	`Nickenyfiken`	`and www.wowace.com too`
`13:40.16`	`Kaelten-Laptop`	`er dev.wowace.net`
`13:40.18`	`Nickenyfiken`	`ah oki`
`13:42.03`	`Kaelten`	`ok things are snycing and what not and everything seems to be running fine atm`
`13:42.07`	`Kaelten`	`I'm about to pass out.`
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`13:43.33`	Funkeh`	`lol`
`13:43.39`	Funkeh`	`wow that was fast`
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`13:44.51`	`dafire`	`hi`
`13:44.59`	`Nickenyfiken`	`good job Kaelten`
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`13:45.20`	`whizter`	`hi`
`13:45.23`	Funkeh`	`yeah nicely done`
`13:45.52`	`Kaelten`	`thanks :)`
`13:46.00`	`[Ammo]`	`drat :`
`13:46.04`	`Kaelten`	`I just hope there are no issues as things go by`
`13:46.10`	`Kaelten`	`restarting squid.`
`13:46.11`	`whizter`	`is there an addon for ace2 that opens all my mails automatically like ct_mailmod?`
`13:46.11`	`[Ammo]`	`I managed to post one posting on forums`
`13:46.14`	`[Ammo]`	`but it failed now`
`13:46.17`	`[Ammo]`	`ah must be squid`
`13:46.27`	`Kaelten`	`ya found a bug in my config`
`13:46.43`	`Kaelten`	`ok dev.wowace.com is back up and running!`
`13:46.44`	`Kaelten`	`woot`
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`13:47.08`	`Kaelten`	`ok now trac is back up.`
`13:47.23`	Funkeh`	`<3 kaelten`
`13:47.25`	`Kaelten`	`cia's site is down so I have that disabled in the post-commit until I can get back to that site`
`13:47.40`	`[Ammo]`	`some people don't understand the beauty of mass mailing in postal`
`13:47.42`	`Vegeta]BT[`	`there are often these Serverproblems with the Ace Sites ?`
`13:47.50`	`[Ammo]`	`but I think I outlined it nicely in 4 easy steps on the forums :)`
`13:47.53`	`sbu`	`hmm`
`13:48.02`	`sbu`	`need some guild-chat itemlink counter`
`13:48.05`	`Kaelten`	`Vegeta]BT[: I moved the site to a new server last night`
`13:48.10`	`sbu`	`is it hard to parse chats for itemlinks?`
`13:48.13`	`Kaelten`	`or rather two hours ago`
`13:48.16`	`Vegeta]BT[`	`ah ok :)`
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`13:49.47`	`Kaelten`	`hrm commits are broke...`
`13:49.48`	`Kaelten`	`fixing`
`13:50.02`	`Vegeta]BT[`	`do i have to change then the adress for the Acefiles in my WinAceUpdater ?`
`13:50.23`	Funkeh`	`Kaelten, first time il ever say this, i think you should slow down a bit :P no way expected things up this fast ^^`
`13:50.31`	Funkeh`	`no you don't`
`13:50.39`	`Vegeta]BT[`	`thx ^^`
`13:51.01`	`Kaelten-Laptop`	`lol`
`13:51.20`	`Kaelten-Laptop`	`Vegeta]BT[: although if you change it to files.wowace.com it'll end up being a little faster in the long run.`
`13:51.38`	`JoshBorke`	`Kaelten: :( good luck`
`13:51.51`	`Vegeta]BT[`	`i'll try that`
`13:51.59`	`Kaelten`	`JoshBorke: ok commiting is fixed, and svn.wowace.com is being synced.`
`13:52.15`	`Kaelten`	`anyone seeing anything thats not working right ?`
`13:52.31`	`Adirelle\|work`	`Kaelten: I suppose /files became files.wowace.com to allow transparent mirroring soon ?`
`13:52.33`	`JoshBorke`	`combine ;-)`
`13:52.34`	`Kaelten`	Funkeh`: lol
`13:52.51`	`JoshBorke`	`sorry, just had to stick that in tehre :-P`
`13:53.13`	`Kaelten`	`Adirelle\|work: potentially, but more immediately to allow squid to handle diviing out the work to the different server processes`
`13:53.51`	Funkeh`	`it seems pretty perfect tbh`
`13:53.57`	`Kaelten`	`:)`
`13:54.01`	`Kaelten`	`I'm glad`
`13:54.09`	`Kaelten`	`I guess planning ahead did pay off`
`13:54.10`	`Kaelten`	`lol`
`13:54.19`	Funkeh`	`rock on :p`
`13:54.36`	`Vegeta]BT[`	`Yea this runs realy fast :D`
`13:54.42`	`Adirelle\|work`	`that's a good job, nicely done :)`
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`13:55.41`	`Kaelten`	`might be a few kinks left to work out but I'm not sure what they are`
`13:55.43`	`Kaelten`	`:)`
`13:55.51`	`[Ammo]`	`we'll see soon enough I guess :)`
`13:55.52`	`Kaelten`	`let me know if you guys find anything but for now I'm sleeping`
`13:55.53`	`Nickenyfiken`	`Kaelten: now you got time to work on KCI? :-P`
`13:56.03`	`Kaelten`	`lol maybe a little`
`13:56.08`	`KaeltenAway`	`night night`
`13:56.13`	`Nickenyfiken`	`night`
`13:56.18`	`Vegeta]BT[`	`night`
`13:56.20`	`JoshBorke`	`nn KaeltenAway`
`13:56.29`	`[Ammo]`	`wowa uberfast indeed`
`13:56.49`	Funkeh`	`<PROTECTED>`
`13:57.19`	`kenlyric`	`all this talk of fast and wowace makes my head spin. What did I miss?`
`13:57.50`	`Vegeta]BT[`	`i have asked of a change of the Filesadress in the winaceupdater`
`13:58.01`	`Vegeta]BT[`	`and kaelten gave me one ^^`
`13:58.11`	`Vegeta]BT[`	`which runs more faster than the old one`
`13:58.16`	Funkeh`	`so /files is now files.* ?`
`13:58.28`	`Vegeta]BT[`	`files.wowace.com`
`13:58.41`	`kenlyric`	`I'm still on the mirror the mac one uses.`
`13:59.01`	`kenlyric`	`I'll gladly hammer the home site again, though ;)`
`14:00.48`	`Nickenyfiken`	`files is behind on updates`
`14:01.17`	`Nickenyfiken`	`SVN is at 25529 but files is at 25244`
`14:01.35`	Funkeh`	`make a commit?`
`14:01.42`	Funkeh`	`it shoul update?`
`14:01.53`	`Nickenyfiken`	`but only the commited addon?`
`14:02.03`	Funkeh`	`nope it should detect all changes`
`14:02.06`	`Nickenyfiken`	`ah`
`14:02.15`	Funkeh`	`kaelten? :P`
`14:02.22`	`kenlyric`	`rebuilds to the zips only happen every 20 minutes, right.`
`14:02.34`	`kenlyric`	`?`
`14:02.38`	Funkeh`	`yeah`
`14:03.15`	`Hjalte`	`Does ace have an addon that works like trinket menu?`
`14:04.53`	`Nickenyfiken`	`don't think so`
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`14:07.07`	`Nickenyfiken`	`[14:47] <Kaelten> cia's site is down so I have that disabled in the post-commit until I can get back to that site`
`14:07.15`	`Nickenyfiken`	`hmm`
`14:07.18`	`Nickenyfiken`	`maybe thats why`
`14:09.14`	Funkeh`	`should be in about 5 minutes`
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`14:17.51`	`[Ammo]`	`anyone feeling brave?`
`14:18.04`	`[Ammo]`	`http://svn.wowace.com/wowace/branches/Postal/Ammo/Postal/ :)`
`14:19.12`	`Worf`	`Ammo: i was brave enough to read the .toc to find out what it deos - but i don't speak espanol :)`
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`14:19.56`	`[Ammo]`	`euh?`
`14:20.04`	`[Ammo]`	`it's just a reworked Postal`
`14:22.09`	`[Ammo]`	`mailmod thing`
`14:22.10`	`Worf`	`i just wanted to express that i didn't have a clue what it is, and that my try to find out did fail`
`14:22.13`	`Worf`	`ah - k`
`14:22.25`	`[Ammo]`	`it used to be called GMail2`
`14:22.43`	Funkeh`	`Kaelten`
`14:22.51`	Funkeh`	`files.~ doesn't seem to be updating`
`14:23.09`	`krka`	`why do all addons have to have weird "funny" names these days?`
`14:23.13`	Funkeh`	`20 minutes past and it ran an update but didn't update anything`
`14:23.27`	`Worf`	`i did read about GMail somewhen... never tried tough... refused to use 2 things that were named the same but did do diffreent things... i allready use gmail`
`14:23.36`	Funkeh`	`brb`
`14:23.49`	`Worf`	`krka: because the good names are taken? :)`
`14:28.34`	`[Ammo]`	`krka: because WoW is a game and supposed to be fun :)`
`14:29.00`	`krka`	`well, it's annoying when it's hard to figure out what an addon does`
`14:29.40`	`[Ammo]`	`that's why there's usually (at least with wowace) a forum post about it`
`14:35.08`	`Adirelle\|work`	`boone quit message is... er... interesting :s`
`14:35.56`	`krka`	`good names: EquipCompare, DevTools, Outfitter. Bad names: Antagonis, ColaLight, Mendeleev, CandyDice, Ludwig, Voyeur`
`14:36.07`	`krka`	`(just randomly browsing and a few from memory)`
`14:36.45`	`[Ammo]`	`it's all in the eye of the beholder :)`
`14:36.50`	`Nickenyfiken`	`Mendeleev is the best name ever`
`14:37.00`	`[Ammo]`	`and Mendeleev is indeed a very good name`
`14:37.06`	`krka`	`not obvious what it does`
`14:37.06`	`[Ammo]`	`but it requires some knowledge :)`
`14:37.10`	`krka`	`exactly`
`14:37.15`	`[Ammo]`	`it does not have to be obvious :)`
`14:37.31`	`zirah`	`it is the name - not the description`
`14:37.36`	`krka`	`that was my whole point. just reading the addon name should give some hint on what it does`
`14:37.51`	`Nickenyfiken`	`Well there are descriptions for addons so i don't see a problem. I think it worse when the desc sucks`
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`14:38.04`	`[Ammo]`	`krka: I usually get interested by an interesting name`
`14:38.10`	`[Ammo]`	`and check the addon out`
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`14:40.10`	`kenlyric`	`is this still from the kazzak error? [2007/01/18 09:36:29-70-x1]: Babble-Spell-2.0\Babble-Spell-2.0.lua:1: Babble-2.0 is not supported in WoW 2.0 or higher Babble-Spell-2.0\Babble-Spell-2.0.lua:1: in main chunk`
`14:40.54`	`robotusch`	`Does anyone know if you can check for spell cooldowns in a macro? I have a basic spell that casts amplify curse, stop casting (as it's an instant spell that doesn't give me GCD) and casts CoA`
`14:41.00`	`[Ammo]`	`no it's because you're using babble-spell-2.0 while you shoul duse 2.2`
`14:41.06`	`kenlyric`	`it's not me.`
`14:41.11`	`kenlyric`	`I do what wau tells me to do.`
`14:41.13`	`[Ammo]`	`well one of your addons`
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`14:41.44`	`kenlyric`	`the only new mod I have this week is corkfu, so that must be it.`
`14:42.38`	`kenlyric`	`I may need to just pull down all new zips too, in case something got build wrong without updating the revision number.`
`14:42.39`	`Adirelle\|work`	`robotusch: you prolly can't`
`14:42.49`	`robotusch`	`ok`
`14:43.13`	`Adirelle\|work`	`robotusch: but... you macro should work`
`14:43.16`	`sbu`	`hm new host for dev.wowace?`
`14:43.26`	`sbu`	`(or ip)`
`14:43.34`	`robotusch`	`I'm just using it all the time, so would be nice if I could change the macro so it checked to see if amplify was on CD`
`14:43.38`	`Adirelle\|work`	`sbu: try dev.wowace.net ?`
`14:44.01`	`robotusch`	`and if it wasn't on CD, it would cast, and if it was it wouldn't`
`14:44.02`	`[Ammo]`	`sbu: wowace is on a new server`
`14:44.06`	`Adirelle\|work`	`.net is new and working the time .com DNS changes are propagated`
`14:44.07`	`[Ammo]`	`dns should be propagating though`
`14:44.19`	`[Ammo]`	`they have propagated for me`
`14:44.21`	`robotusch`	`that way I could get rid of the "The spell is not ready yet" all the time`
`14:44.27`	`Adirelle\|work`	`robotusch: well, I think that impossible as of 2.0`
`14:45.12`	`Adirelle\|work`	`[Ammo]: depends on how many steps from original DNS to yours, and cache delays, etc...`
`14:45.19`	`robotusch`	`yeah thought I remembered something about that, but couldn't remember if it was spells or items (ie trinkets)`
`14:45.49`	`Adirelle\|work`	`[Ammo]: 48 hours is considerer the minimal time to wait before considering all cache has been updated, but some servers are ealier`
`14:46.09`	`[Ammo]`	`Adirelle: depends on the TTL of the records`
`14:46.20`	`[Ammo]`	`it was updated here in 2-3 hours`
`14:46.31`	`Adirelle\|work`	`[Ammo]: yep, too`
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`14:46.57`	`sbu`	`[Ammo]: yay, i know, just wondering why i got asked for my password`
`14:47.07`	`sbu`	`thats why i ask if there is a new one :p`
`14:47.12`	`[Ammo]`	`yeah it's a new server`
`14:47.15`	`sbu`	`k :)`
`14:47.19`	`[Ammo]`	`typing it once should be sufficient :)`
`14:48.23`	`ravagernl`	`new server for wowace?`
`14:48.27`	`sbu`	`%-)`
`14:48.34`	`JoshBorke`	`i think my password got reset :-(`
`14:48.50`	`robotusch`	`hmm annoying, just realised Chronometer doesn't pick up my CoA since it's in a macro :/`
`14:49.18`	`robotusch`	`correction, if Amplify is cast first in that macro`
`14:49.34`	`kenlyric`	`hmmm.. file on sourceforge is stil dated the 15th... didn't K update it this morning with the new address?`
`14:50.41`	`[Ammo]`	`robotusch: yeah I had that problem as well`
`14:50.56`	`[Ammo]`	`could probably be fixed though, but haven't looked at chrono's code fo rit yet`
`14:51.38`	`robotusch`	`perhaps I could bug ag into doing it for me, if I can drag him away from that 2man LAN he's at ;D`
`14:53.08`	`krynn-`	`anyone know the name of the addon that puts your spells topscores on the actionbar buttons`
`14:53.47`	`ravagernl`	`hmmm`
`14:53.51`	`[Ammo]`	`not topscores`
`14:53.57`	`ravagernl`	`would it be possible to have grid use statusbar textures?`
`14:53.59`	`[Ammo]`	`but DrDamage might be what you want`
`14:54.31`	`ravagernl`	`I think drdamage can calculate the highest hit possible`
`14:54.58`	`robotusch`	`kinda like Theorycraft Lite?`
`14:54.58`	`Amadeo`	`What Draenei character should I make?`
`14:55.00`	`ravagernl`	`yes`
`14:55.05`	`[Ammo]`	`make a priest`
`14:55.16`	`Amadeo`	`I'm already making a BE Priest!`
`14:55.29`	`ravagernl`	`anything but shammy then XD`
`14:55.36`	`Amadeo`	`I have a Shaman :D`
`14:55.37`	`Amadeo`	`haha`
`14:55.45`	`kenlyric`	`you're making a BE priest? but why?`
`14:55.50`	`Meiun\|DETH`	`someone write me an addon so i dont have to sleep :<`
`14:55.52`	`kenlyric`	`draenei best priest racials in the game.`
`14:55.53`	`Amadeo`	`Why not?`
`14:56.04`	`sbu`	`well - but draenei are alliance :p`
`14:56.05`	`[Ammo]`	`because the rest of the world makes BE paladins?`
`14:56.10`	`kenlyric`	`party mana regen = hot.`
`14:56.21`	`Amadeo`	`What racials do they have?`
`14:56.24`	`b1f30_w0rk`	`gnome mages kick all your asses - end of story`
`14:56.39`	`kenlyric`	`party mana regen and fear ward, and +hit/spellhit aura.`
`14:56.50`	`kenlyric`	`BE would be better for pvp though.`
`14:56.59`	`kenlyric`	`aoe silence is hot on any class for pvp.`
`14:56.59`	`Amadeo`	`Yeah, no big deal either way`
`14:57.18`	`Amadeo`	`I had a NE Priest and beat people anyway :D`
`14:57.37`	`Amadeo`	`Undead is still probably the best for PvP`
`14:57.43`	`kenlyric`	`on my server, I'm finding a lot less imbalance in blood elves than I am in draenei... LOTS of draenei shaman, but a good balance of blood elves, not just paladins.`
`14:57.54`	`Amadeo`	`Oh I know! I notice the same thing`
`14:57.55`	`Amadeo`	`In fact`
`14:58.04`	`Amadeo`	`I see tons of Blood Elf Hunters, which is ridiculously stupid :)`
`14:58.16`	`sbu`	`why? :o`
`14:58.24`	`Amadeo`	`Tauren's Warstomp is a better Arcane Torrent`
`14:58.27`	`kenlyric`	`I have one of each though, because I can't imagine a blood elf being anything else, and draenei totems look cool :)`
`14:58.54`	`Amadeo`	`I mean, unless you play for fashion :P`
`14:59.00`	`kenlyric`	`Amadeo: yeah, but it's not a better mana tap.`
`14:59.13`	`Amadeo`	`mana tap looks pretty uninteresting to me`
`14:59.41`	`kenlyric`	`pretty nice for a paladin. ranged pull with any mana using mob.`
`14:59.53`	`Amadeo`	`don't Paladins already have ranged?`
`14:59.58`	`kenlyric`	`lol.`
`15:00.07`	`Amadeo`	`Blizzard gave them everything a few patches ago`
`15:00.12`	`kenlyric`	`10 yards is not a range`
`15:00.27`	`kenlyric`	`hmm, maybe at a higher level. Mine certainly doesn't have one.`
`15:00.39`	`Amadeo`	`What's the range on mana tap?`
`15:00.42`	`kenlyric`	`except the undead one.`
`15:00.45`	`kenlyric`	`30 yards`
`15:00.54`	`Amadeo`	`That's interesting though`
`15:01.18`	`kenlyric`	`doesnn't work against mobs who don't have mana though, so once you get outside of BE starting area it probably becomes less useful.`
`15:01.35`	`kenlyric`	`but still, far better than a human or a dwarf :)`
`15:01.39`	`Amadeo`	`haha`
`15:01.47`	`Amadeo`	`The silence alone is worth it`
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`15:02.26`	`kenlyric`	`I'm considering rerolling my human warrior alt to a draenei.`
`15:02.52`	`Amadeo`	`what level?`
`15:03.01`	`kenlyric`	`all my alts are sub 10 at the moment.`
`15:03.02`	`jkw`	`gee`
`15:03.05`	`Amadeo`	`haha`
`15:03.09`	`jkw`	`unknown time on all trunks :S`
`15:03.34`	`kenlyric`	`I have two humans, no dwarf, and no troll.`
`15:04.41`	`jkw`	`Cleaning your appartment for 2 copys of BC. PST`
`15:05.31`	`Amadeo`	`Human Warriors have cool animations and sounds, but other than that...I dunno :)`
`15:05.53`	`[Ammo]`	`human warriors used to be pretty cool with the +5 on swordskill`
`15:05.57`	`[Ammo]`	`but +skill got nerfed`
`15:06.02`	`[Ammo]`	`and now all they have is diplomacy`
`15:06.06`	`kenlyric`	`that's why I initially picked human, even though I already had one.`
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`15:07.10`	`kenlyric`	`these alts will never be anything serious, so I try to go for the best racial abilities in terms of levelling, and asthetics, and having a balance of class roll on alliance/horde (so, like I have a mage alliance side and warlock horde side)`
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`15:08.38`	`jkw`	`[Ammo]: Don't forget Perception.`
`15:10.50`	`sbu`	`mehh, nice weather here`
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`15:12.47`	`[Ammo]`	`jkw: WoW being a PvE game perception is not that useful :p`
`15:13.12`	`[Ammo]`	`I should say WoW not having a PvP system with negative consequences`
`15:13.29`	`nee\|lap`	`How do I see loot in Cartographer?`
`15:13.37`	`nee\|lap`	`I have that module enabled but see nothing`
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`15:14.04`	`[Ammo]`	`you probably see it when hovering a boss in an instance`
`15:14.09`	`[Ammo]`	`at least that's what I suspect`
`15:14.43`	`Nickenyfiken`	`klick on the note on the map`
`15:14.47`	`Nickenyfiken`	`for example Onyxia`
`15:16.08`	`kenlyric`	`aww, the little circles went away on the cartographer mods.`
`15:17.02`	`[Ammo]`	`they're only there if you have the appropriate tracking enabled`
`15:17.03`	`Ordog`	`hm is gold already cheaper? ^^`
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`15:18.29`	`kenlyric`	`[Ammo]: I mean for cart_vendor and cart_quest.`
`15:18.38`	`kenlyric`	`They were added yesterday, but seem to be gone again today.`
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`15:23.16`	`kenlyric`	`so, how do I find which mod is loading babble-spell 2.0?`
`15:23.51`	`kenlyric`	`guess I could search for Babble-Spell-2.0.lua`
`15:24.29`	`nee\|lap`	`[Ammo]: oki`
`15:24.33`	`nee\|lap`	`gm`
`15:24.39`	`nee\|lap`	`I see no notes on map though`
`15:24.44`	`nee\|lap`	`Hm`
`15:24.50`	`nee\|lap`	`Let me try again`
`15:26.03`	`nee\|lap`	`I have it all enabled, I see the boss-notes, but no loot info`
`15:26.24`	`nee\|lap`	`Ah, now I do`
`15:26.30`	`nee\|lap`	`It had no info on Gnomeregan`
`15:28.28`	`kenlyric`	`looks like it is corkfu that has the wrong babble-spell`
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`15:31.28`	`godsyn`	`what gives w/the Addons - Beta link?`
`15:31.53`	`godsyn`	`all timestamps == "Unknown"`
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`15:37.40`	`ravagernl`	`hey, sairen's here`
`15:38.48`	`ravagernl`	`~seen kirkburn`
`15:39.07`	`purl`	`kirkburn <n=Kirkburn@82-32-40-219.cable.ubr06.azte.blueyonder.co.uk> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowwiki, 6h 40m 12s ago, saying: 'I'm off for a while'.`
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`15:43.59`	`kagaro`	`ck: AceComm send to whisper working now ?`
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`15:54.01`	`[Ammo]`	`yay for poweroutage due to storm`
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`15:55.09`	`nee\|lap`	`yay for underground power`
`15:56.38`	`[Ammo]`	`well there's quite a storm here atm`
`15:56.48`	`[Ammo]`	`and some of the powerlines are not underground :)`
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`16:01.59`	`kenlyric`	`addons beta link?`
`16:02.05`	`kenlyric`	`oops, scroll`
`16:02.06`	`Hjalte`	`I can't get 1.7b of wowaceupdater working :(`
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`16:12.46`	`Amadeo`	`Which is the newest EST PvP realm?`
`16:14.15`	`vhaarr`	`Sairen: ping`
`16:15.59`	`Sairen`	`vhaarr: pong`
`16:16.21`	`vhaarr`	`Sairen: have you checked your forum PM's lately?`
`16:16.27`	`vhaarr`	`Sairen: I think you have one from StormFX.`
`16:16.33`	`Sairen`	`no haven't yet`
`16:16.37`	`vhaarr`	`Sairen: Basically, I want to commit his cyCircled layout to the SVN.`
`16:16.46`	`Sairen`	`go ahead`
`16:17.50`	`vhaarr`	`I'll get to it later`
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`16:18.03`	`Sairen`	`k`
`16:24.14`	`phyber`	`weab: you there?`
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`16:27.09`	`Industrial`	`wowace.com went baibai`
`16:27.24`	`[Ammo]`	`no it did not`
`16:27.37`	`kenlyric`	`it grew into a beautiful flower.`
`16:27.41`	`[Ammo]`	`well it worked just now`
`16:27.44`	`[Ammo]`	`but nomore`
`16:27.45`	`[Ammo]`	`hrmf`
`16:28.56`	`Adirelle\|work`	`seems we have to ping ka el ten`
`16:29.02`	`kenlyric`	`oh, yeah, so really broken.`
`16:29.19`	`Industrial`	`[Ammo]: ;)`
`16:29.46`	`Adirelle\|work`	`KaeltenAway: ping, servers down`
`16:29.52`	`[Ammo]`	`Industrial: see the storm damage: http://www.pd5hw.nl/p2000/`
`16:30.10`	`[Ammo]`	`firedepartment is having a good time, one report every 5-10 seconds or so :)`
`16:30.43`	`Industrial`	`lol damn`
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`16:32.23`	`Tekkub`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`16:33.03`	`EvilGrin\|Win`	`[Ammo], this weather hitting you in NL aswell?`
`16:33.08`	`Industrial`	`yes`
`16:33.22`	`EvilGrin\|Win`	`I'm UK here. Had a roof off and a tree come down at work. :(`
`16:33.39`	`[Ammo]`	`yeah it is`
`16:33.43`	`Industrial`	`i just woke up so i didnt notice anything`
`16:33.43`	`Industrial`	`:P`
`16:33.46`	`[Ammo]`	`haha`
`16:33.56`	`[Ammo]`	`well some of these P2000 messages are funny`
`16:34.11`	`[Ammo]`	`specially when they start to use !!! in the paging messages`
`16:34.25`	`EvilGrin\|Win`	`:P`
`16:34.34`	`[Ammo]`	`BRANPRIO 1 Dier in nood BOTERDIJK 7 AALTEN ( AALT ) 40634 SCHUUR MET 100 KOEIEN INGESTORT!!`
`16:34.44`	`[Ammo]`	`Animal in Distress \| Barn with 100 cows collapsed`
`16:34.50`	`EvilGrin\|Win`	`:D`
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`16:35.40`	`[Ammo]`	`and apparantly firemen can take a break during dinner:`
`16:35.41`	`[Ammo]`	`BRANtijdelijk verminderderd inzet tijdens eten acceptabel uitzondering prio1`
`16:36.00`	`[Ammo]`	`temporarily less available during dinner acceptable, with exception of PRIO1`
`16:36.11`	`EvilGrin\|Win`	`:)`
`16:37.11`	`Industrial`	`ding 12 ^^`
`16:37.17`	`[Ammo]`	`all of the dutch emergency paging is on that site :)`
`16:37.18`	`Industrial`	`playing on Daggerspine EU horde now ^^`
`16:37.53`	`[Ammo]`	`daggerspine is a crappy server industrial`
`16:38.02`	`[Ammo]`	`we left that place when migration to Kazzak opened`
`16:38.09`	`Srosh`	`it's a dead place`
`16:38.27`	`[Ammo]`	`yeah`
`16:38.33`	`Barbanus`	`Best blue post ever! http://blue.cardplace.com/newcache/forums.worldofwarcraft.com/69807225.htm?posts=2`
`16:41.01`	`Mikma`	`ok, that's true.`
`16:41.11`	`tale_`	`Barbanus: lol @ the xrl for that link: http://xrl.us/ubeh`
`16:42.11`	`Barbanus`	`heh`
`16:42.55`	`durcyn`	`damn, looks like they're going to force realm splits after all`
`16:43.33`	`kenlyric`	`could those gidiots at least try to allow free transfers first?`
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`16:44.48`	`Barbanus`	`kenlyric, they are.`
`16:44.57`	`Barbanus`	`There is like free transfers for like 20 realms right now`
`16:45.00`	`kenlyric`	`not on my server they haven't`
`16:45.09`	`Barbanus`	`then it wont be split :P`
`16:45.10`	`durcyn`	`kenlyric: my realm has had two moves in the past two weeks, no one is taking them`
`16:45.13`	`Amadeo`	`I wish I could transfer`
`16:45.14`	`kenlyric`	`most populated server in the US, and we don't get transfers.`
`16:45.25`	`Amadeo`	`Which?`
`16:45.31`	`Barbanus`	`kenlyric, what realm?`
`16:45.32`	`kenlyric`	`Kargath`
`16:45.53`	`Amadeo`	`I almost moved there, then I saw how laggy it was`
`16:45.56`	`durcyn`	`kenlyric: how are your queues lately? ours have been over 1K this week.`
`16:46.03`	`Amadeo`	`oh wait, no, that's PvE...`
`16:46.10`	`Amadeo`	`maybe it was Korgath or something`
`16:46.22`	`kenlyric`	`yeah, you would want Korgath... too many people have made that mistake :)`
`16:46.29`	`Barbanus`	`Heh Korgath isnt laggy at all :P`
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`16:46.35`	`Amadeo`	`for me it is`
`16:46.38`	`Amadeo`	`I couldn't play there`
`16:46.46`	`kenlyric`	`I think we hit about a 500 queue.`
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`16:47.07`	`Barbanus`	`I transfered to Korgath pre-worldserverfirstomg guilds did`
`16:47.08`	`kenlyric`	`I'm kinda wondering how reliable warcraftrealm data is... like maybe we have more alts than other realms, but fewer actual players.`
`16:47.19`	`kenlyric`	`Barbanus, how is that possible?`
`16:47.29`	`Amadeo`	`DnT isn't from Korgath`
`16:47.41`	`kenlyric`	`yeah, but didn't they move shortly after it opened?`
`16:47.45`	`Barbanus`	`kenlyric, Korgath had 2 sets of free transfers to it`
`16:47.54`	`kenlyric`	`ah.`
`16:48.02`	`Barbanus`	`The first set was from Kil'Jaeden, and a buncha other realms`
`16:48.06`	`Barbanus`	`thats when I transfered`
`16:48.14`	`Barbanus`	`then like 5 months later, they opened it up again`
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`16:48.21`	`kenlyric`	`All i remember is we got excited when we saw "free transfers" and "korgath" together, before we realized it wasn't kargath.`
`16:48.27`	`Barbanus`	`and then Drama, DnT, Dread, Gentlemens Club, etc, all transfered`
`16:48.45`	`Amadeo`	`why would they all want to be on one server?`
`16:48.46`	`durcyn`	`warcraftrealms doesn't ever remove characters`
`16:48.54`	`kenlyric`	`isn't it funny when someone transfers a server so they can be zomg first and the get their asses handed to them?`
`16:48.58`	`durcyn`	`so it kind of sucks for tracking population`
`16:48.59`	`Barbanus`	`Amadeo, I dunno, but we have Overrated now :P`
`16:49.04`	`kenlyric`	`durcyn: the realm statistics only go back 30 days.`
`16:49.15`	`Amadeo`	`Barbanus: I don't really know who anyone is, other than DnT because they brag a lot`
`16:49.23`	`durcyn`	`kenlyric: well, then, i shall continue to enjoy the taste of my foot =P`
`16:49.25`	`Amadeo`	`I don't really care about PvE firsts, it's kinda lame :P`
`16:49.40`	`Barbanus`	`Overrated = horde guild killing KT, who hacked AQ40 and got their whole guild banned`
`16:49.47`	`Amadeo`	`haha`
`16:49.52`	`kenlyric`	`best guild name ever.`
`16:49.53`	`Amadeo`	`so how are they back?`
`16:50.06`	`Amadeo`	`oops, gotta run, bbiab`
`16:50.08`	`Barbanus`	`Some of them were never in the raid IDs that were banned`
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`16:50.13`	`durcyn`	`they intentionally got banned`
`16:50.15`	`Barbanus`	`The others rerolled`
`16:50.18`	`durcyn`	`so they could quit and reroll`
`16:50.24`	`Barbanus`	`like 1-2 months before TBC launch`
`16:50.44`	`Barbanus`	`Most hit 60, and now they are just leveling to 70 like the rest of us`
`16:50.59`	`durcyn`	`just what the world needs... more alliance.`
`16:51.08`	`Barbanus`	`They are still horde`
`16:51.25`	`durcyn`	`i thought they rerolled alliance`
`16:51.29`	`Barbanus`	`Nope`
`16:51.31`	`Barbanus`	`Horde`
`16:51.32`	`durcyn`	`perhaps i wasn't the whole guild`
`16:51.34`	`durcyn`	`it*`
`16:51.45`	`Barbanus`	`Just rerolled on Korgath, their MT didnt get banned, lol`
`16:51.56`	`durcyn`	`one of them "announced" it in their ban thread on the raid forum`
`16:52.11`	`Barbanus`	`So they had a guild full of ZG geared / green geared players, and a Full Dreadnaught tank`
`16:53.10`	`Barbanus`	`They farmed C'Thun by hacking for well over a month`
`16:54.00`	`durcyn`	`wish you could do that for real, loot a token that lets you skip the lame trash`
`16:54.17`	`durcyn`	`if i never see another mindslayer pack again in my life, i can die happy`
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`16:54.30`	`stavmar`	`ckknight: ping?`
`16:56.45`	`Barbanus`	`durcyn, lol yea`
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`17:10.50`	`Antiarc`	`Hahahahah, wow. 9-year old kid steals car, goes to airport, gets on flight bound for Texas to go live with his grandfather. "[The boy's mother] believes he learned to drive from playing video games on a PlayStation."`
`17:11.04`	`Antiarc`	`Oh, what can't we blame on those evil video games these days?`
`17:11.14`	`kergoth`	`hahah`
`17:11.37`	`Antiarc`	`I'll bet that I could be an astronaut`
`17:11.43`	`deltron`	`wowace.com down?`
`17:11.51`	`Antiarc`	`After all, I have several thousand hours of TIE Fighter flight time logged.`
`17:11.56`	`Antiarc`	`deltron: yes, moving servers`
`17:11.59`	`EvilGrin\|Win`	`Antiarc, that's great but where did he learn to fly the plane? :)`
`17:12.00`	`deltron`	`ahh cool`
`17:12.13`	`Xuerian`	`I want to be a undead humanoid that can hurl balls of fire and teleport myself anywhere. Damn evil videogames!`
`17:12.25`	`Antiarc`	`EvilGrin\|Win: Probably from that evil, insidious tool of the devil called "Microsoft Flight Simulator"`
`17:12.41`	`EvilGrin\|Win`	`That only ever taught me how to crash`
`17:12.57`	`Antiarc`	`Damn the video game makers! They are turning our children into driving monsters!`
`17:13.07`	`durcyn`	`Antiarc: you could at least fly for the Empire. congrats.`
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`17:15.12`	`deltron`	`captain dan rules`
`17:16.33`	`Saroz`	`dev.wowace.com is down?`
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`17:17.34`	`deltron`	`seems so`
`17:18.08`	`sbu`	`uhah`
`17:18.12`	`sbu`	`aguf errors`
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`17:23.55`	`Saroz`	`yea but that was last night -.-`
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`17:27.22`	`tkb`	`Welcome notMusic.`
`17:27.27`	`tkb`	`New peak of 254 users, thanks to notMusic`
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`17:33.29`	`durcyn`	`Saroz: DNS cutover, perhaps? shrug.`
`17:33.35`	`trh`	`http://img.thedailywtf.com/images/200701/pup2/addedsql.jpg <- rofl :)`
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`17:42.29`	`Cyrez`	`They said it could take a few days for everything to get back to normal but that hopefully the server will be able to handle more abuse than before.`
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`17:44.25`	`_neuron_`	`anyone got a quick line to convert from hex colors to r,g,b?`
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`17:49.58`	`Antiarc`	`Anyone have a copy of ItemBonusLib lying around?`
`17:49.59`	`Gnarfoz`	`trh: lol @ dailywtf`
`17:50.19`	`deltron`	`http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/40975299/ <-- so awesome`
`17:50.33`	`Ominous`	`hmm is WAU working atm?`
`17:50.44`	`deltron`	`no`
`17:50.46`	`deltron`	`server down`
`17:52.47`	`trh`	`php dodges`
`17:53.01`	`trh`	`php says: i'm indestructable!`
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`17:53.30`	`kenlyric`	`php says: BY FIRE BE PURGED!`
`17:53.33`	`Barbanus`	`You guys are welcome to use my /files mirror`
`17:53.34`	`Barbanus`	`http://wow.tecnobrat.com/wowace`
`17:54.06`	`Barbanus`	`of course, it only has the last commits from 2 am PST this morning`
`17:56.51`	`Barbanus`	`This is great : http://wow.tecnobrat.com/jokes/smartestman.txt`
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`17:59.49`	`kenlyric`	`" I drive 48 miles each way every day to work. " I'd kill myself.`
`18:00.09`	`Kirkburn`	`Barbanus, the bit that scares me is "According to the National Rifle Association, 5% of all females carry weapons and this number is increasing."`
`18:00.49`	`trh`	`Kirkburn: i guess they count pepper spray and tasers/taser-like weapons wihtin`
`18:01.01`	`kenlyric`	`and wow, he's no good at math. Many of those cars he's passing are in fact the same cars.`
`18:01.04`	`yacoob`	`teaser weapons?`
`18:01.06`	`Kirkburn`	`I rather hope so`
`18:01.25`	`yacoob`	`click "Now you'll watch a teaser of a movie that won't be available!"`
`18:01.32`	`kenlyric`	`5% carrying guns wouldn't surprise me.`
`18:01.35`	`Barbanus`	`kenlyric, thats not really a math issue :P`
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`18:01.43`	`Barbanus`	`me either`
`18:01.48`	`Kirkburn`	`It does surprise a Brit`
`18:02.00`	`trh`	`yacoob: taser.. those electric shock-thingys :)`
`18:02.01`	`Kirkburn`	`trh, indeed, it completely ignores the other factors and how maths actually works`
`18:02.13`	`Kirkburn`	`All those factors aren't independent, for one`
`18:02.21`	`yacoob`	`trh, I do know that, I'm just making second grade jokes...`
`18:02.37`	`trh`	`yacoob: i wasn't sure if taser is the word used in the US for it =)`
`18:03.01`	`nee\|lap`	`Cattleprod perhaps`
`18:03.06`	`kenlyric`	`"According to the best available data, the ownership of firearms among women is not increasing, the gender gap is not closing, and the level of ownership is much lower than commonly stated, with about 11 to 12% of women owning a gun and 4.5 to 8% owning a handgun."`
`18:03.37`	`Barbanus`	`kenlyric, haha wow`
`18:03.42`	`Barbanus`	`so its more than 5% :P`
`18:03.57`	`trh`	`but owning a handgun doesn't include carrying it around :)`
`18:04.00`	`Barbanus`	`now thats not CARRY`
`18:04.03`	`kenlyric`	`well, most of the women who own non-handguns live outside the city, so it wouldn't apply to this scenario.`
`18:04.03`	`Barbanus`	`yeh`
`18:04.26`	`kenlyric`	`why have a handgun if you don't carry it around?`
`18:04.36`	`trh`	`kenlyric: sport-shooting?`
`18:04.38`	`kenlyric`	`men have handguns to protect property, but women don't care about property.`
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`18:05.21`	`kenlyric`	`trh: I guess. I don't know anybody that has a gun just to take it to the shooting range :)`
`18:05.38`	`trh`	`kenlyric: women don't care about property? you obviously didn't meet my ex :P`
`18:05.44`	`yacoob`	`sword is much better`
`18:05.47`	`kenlyric`	`I don't know any women that carry guns, but I'm generally only friends with pinko liberals anyway.`
`18:05.49`	`yacoob`	`plus lightning reflexes`
`18:06.40`	`trh`	`yacoob: i believy wearing mail and being able to shoot nice arrows out of 41yards is better than a sword :P`
`18:06.58`	`sbu`	`wtb fix for aguf :/`
`18:06.58`	`kenlyric`	`don't forget about a rabid wild animal.`
`18:07.11`	`trh`	`yeah.. one that can teleport :P`
`18:07.34`	`kenlyric`	`so is that the most awesome pet ability?`
`18:08.03`	`trh`	`i'm not sure.. still 1 level to go to try it :)`
`18:08.05`	`Barbanus`	`kenlyric, I'm sure there are lots of single women who are more afraid of a home invasion then getting mugged on the street :)`
`18:08.06`	`trh`	`but i heard its funny`
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`18:08.20`	`mjc`	`http://wow.allakhazam.com/mediabox/kruulwashere.jpg heh`
`18:08.28`	`kenlyric`	`Barbanus: yes, but does that fear stem from a fear for their property or their person?`
`18:09.03`	`Barbanus`	`kenlyric, I'm not disagreeing there ... but I'm just saying they probably have the gun in their nightstand, not carrying it in their car :)`
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`18:09.21`	`durcyn`	`warp stalkers make me want to punch a wall`
`18:09.46`	`trh`	`durcyn: why that? :P`
`18:10.03`	`ckknight`	`hey all`
`18:10.09`	`Barbanus`	`hey ck`
`18:10.17`	`kenlyric`	`sounds like a pvp discussion... zone out.`
`18:10.24`	`kenlyric`	`err... I'm zoning out`
`18:10.31`	`durcyn`	`trh: blizzard has a nasty habit of adding stupid "these animals bothered me, kill 02935023 of them" and making them rare and annoying :o`
`18:10.45`	`trh`	`lol`
`18:10.49`	`durcyn`	`kenlyric: nah, blizzard quest discussion!`
`18:11.08`	`kenlyric`	`as far as I know, krull is still in IF on my server.`
`18:11.15`	`durcyn`	`i hit 64 yesterday and got sent to terrokar... the wildlife is irksome, to say the least.`
`18:11.40`	`kenlyric`	`64.... jesus crap`
`18:11.59`	`durcyn`	`hey, we were snowed in for two days!`
`18:12.07`	`kenlyric`	`good point.`
`18:12.07`	`zirah`	`lol`
`18:12.24`	`kenlyric`	`If I could play full force while at work, I'd be further.`
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`18:12.51`	`kenlyric`	`isn't it just odd having a toon above level 60, after being at 60 for so long?`
`18:12.51`	`kergoth`	`durcyn: 64? damn`
`18:13.15`	`durcyn`	`kergoth: my days /played at current level went from ~200 to 0.`
`18:13.26`	`durcyn`	`it is weird! :o`
`18:13.35`	`zirah`	`kenlyric: i am 60 1/2`
`18:13.52`	`durcyn`	`er kenlyric even. stupid tab completion.`
`18:14.13`	`Barbanus`	`kenlyric, I dinged, and I was like, WTF ... oh yea ...`
`18:14.33`	`kenlyric`	`new spells every level is nice.`
`18:14.41`	`kenlyric`	`though, two holy spells at 61 sucked ass.`
`18:14.44`	`Barbanus`	`most of them are shitty`
`18:14.45`	`kenlyric`	`holy spells... HAH!`
`18:15.01`	`kenlyric`	`new mind blast and shadow word: death at 62... not suck.`
`18:15.13`	`Barbanus`	`Paladin get a new level of ...`
`18:15.15`	`Barbanus`	`Seal of the Crusader!!`
`18:15.15`	`Gnarfoz`	`we've got 65s already oO`
`18:15.18`	`kergoth`	`that stupid ass bonechewer bloods one annoys me, drop rate sucks`
`18:15.20`	`Barbanus`	`OMG overpowered!`
`18:17.12`	`Barbanus`	`Paladins get a new level of BoSac, Crusader Aura (increased mount speed), and Holy Light`
`18:17.16`	`Barbanus`	`At 62`
`18:17.17`	`durcyn`	`nothing beats that french dude who had his guild plevel him to 70 in 28 hours though`
`18:17.39`	`Barbanus`	`Gnarfoz, Death and Taxes has like 8 level 67s now`
`18:18.00`	`Barbanus`	`Like 30 players above 65`
`18:18.34`	`durcyn`	`i don't see the point in going that fast, would rather take another day or two and work on reputations`
`18:18.41`	`Barbanus`	`Me also`
`18:18.47`	`Barbanus`	`I'm just 61.5`
`18:19.06`	`Barbanus`	`I'm taking my time, leveling in 5 mans, doing quests, hanging out with guildies`
`18:19.18`	`durcyn`	`need to farm exalted with kurenai for a talbuk too =)`
`18:19.26`	`Barbanus`	`I'm having fun playing a game .. o.O`
`18:19.50`	`kergoth`	`its freshing taking a more casual take on tbc, a nice break from raiding`
`18:19.53`	`durcyn`	`so i can get even more whispers than i did with the stupid elekk. you'd think people never saw a gnome on an elephant before.`
`18:21.12`	`Barbanus`	`OMG, last night was so funny, was doing the quest where you needed to kill that demon Razorsomething and this hunter pulled him, his pet died / went away .. and he started meleeing it ... then he feigned death .. so I quickly hit it and tagged it .. there was like 25 players standing around trying to tag it :P`
`18:21.44`	`Barbanus`	`The hunter then started sending me tells, swearing at me`
`18:21.51`	`Gnarfoz`	`durcyn: the point for them? not getting beat to another damn world first, I guess ;)`
`18:22.22`	`Barbanus`	`They have a rule of some sort ... the slower players get put on the B team`
`18:22.34`	`Feldia`	`Barbanus, I'm not sure what's worse`
`18:22.38`	`Feldia`	`the fact that they're leveling that quickly`
`18:22.39`	`EvilGrin\|Win`	`right gtg`
`18:22.46`	`Feldia`	`or that you feel the need to keep tabs on them`
`18:22.46`	`EvilGrin\|Win`	`the mains are down, I'm running on UPS`
`18:22.51`	`EvilGrin\|Win`	`:(`
`18:23.18`	`Barbanus`	`Feldia, I'm on the same server as them, and good RL friends with one of the guys who is now 67 :)`
`18:23.36`	`Feldia`	`who?`
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`18:25.18`	`Barbanus`	`Hes playing an alt, not his main, I have his name in my friends list`
`18:25.25`	`Barbanus`	`Starts with a K :P`
`18:25.31`	`Barbanus`	`if that helps you keep tabs on me :P`
`18:25.40`	`Feldia`	`uhh`
`18:25.43`	`Feldia`	`that wasn't my intention`
`18:25.50`	`Barbanus`	`lol`
`18:25.54`	`Feldia`	`half the people who play wow claim to be IRL friends with a member of this or that guild`
`18:25.59`	`Feldia`	`and now you can't even give the name of your friend?`
`18:26.00`	`Feldia`	`meh`
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`18:30.06`	`_neuron_`	`Feldia, I'm a friend of one of the guys that knows the guy who leveled to 70's third cousin (on the father side)`
`18:30.10`	`_neuron_`	`(that makes me cool :D )`
`18:30.40`	`Feldia`	`sadly I believe that's the train of thought people go through when they make those claims :P`
`18:30.53`	`Barbanus`	`heh, not exactly, but whatever.`
`18:30.54`	`_neuron_`	`(note Barbanus, I'm not questioning you, I'm just being an ass :D )`
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`18:31.19`	`_neuron_`	`I read "<Feldia> half the people who play wow claim to be IRL friends with a member of this or that guild" and replied, didn't read what you wrote first ;)`
`18:32.39`	`Barbanus`	`http://img.thedailywtf.com/images/200701/pup2/addedsql.jpg`
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`18:37.11`	`Arzach`	`test`
`18:37.19`	`Barbanus`	`FAILED`
`18:37.24`	`_neuron_`	`defenatly broken`
`18:37.31`	`Arzach`	`seems to work, at least I got an error message`
`18:37.46`	`Arzach`	`even tho, according to the error code, must be windows`
`18:37.48`	`RaydenUni`	`the reason why there aren't as many paladin BE as there are shaman dranei is because horde despise paladins`
`18:37.59`	`RaydenUni`	`my guild is considering not letting anyone bring their alt paladin in`
`18:38.05`	`Arzach`	`haha`
`18:38.28`	`RaydenUni`	`shamans may be powerful, but they aren't nearly invincible`
`18:38.50`	`RaydenUni`	`when 2 lvl 60's can't beat 2 lvl55 paladins because they just bubble and heal each other, something is wrong`
`18:39.25`	`Arzach`	`beside the funny things, anyone have some experice with AceComm and custom channels ?`
`18:40.28`	`RaydenUni`	`what are paladins good for other than being annoying? just a mishmash of tank and healing?`
`18:40.29`	`Antiarc`	`RaydenUni: How do two level 55 paladins do enough damage to kill two level 60s?`
`18:40.43`	`RaydenUni`	`does it matter? they don't die`
`18:40.45`	`Eej`	`how are two level 60s so bad that they can't survive two level 55 paladins`
`18:40.52`	`Antiarc`	`Sure they do. You just have to wait out the bubble.`
`18:41.01`	`RaydenUni`	`they alternate bubbles and heal each other`
`18:41.09`	`Eej`	`so?`
`18:41.15`	`Antiarc`	`You realize bubbles are on a 5-minute cooldown, yes?`
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`18:41.33`	`RaydenUni`	`how many do they have? not just one`
`18:41.33`	`Eej`	`...`
`18:41.34`	`RaydenUni`	`i dunno. this is what my friends told me happened to them`
`18:41.37`	`RaydenUni`	`i forget the actual level of the paladins :D`
`18:41.38`	`Antiarc`	`They have that and Blessing of Protection, but when they use either, they receive Forebearance for 1 minute that prevents the use of the other.`
`18:41.42`	`RaydenUni`	`something below 60`
`18:41.49`	`Antiarc`	`Paladins are killable, very easily, in fact.`
`18:41.52`	`Eej`	`indeed`
`18:41.54`	`Antiarc`	`You just have to be patient and smart.`
`18:41.55`	`Eej`	`especially if you lock down holy line`
`18:42.08`	`RaydenUni`	`can you dispell their bubble?`
`18:42.16`	`Antiarc`	`Priests can with Mass Dispell`
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`18:43.00`	`Barbanus`	`RaydenUni, Paladins are the best pvp healers IMO`
`18:43.28`	`Barbanus`	`I mean, I'm kinda biased, since I play a paladin`
`18:43.35`	`Antiarc`	`Earth Shield shammies are crazy PVP healers, as well.`
`18:43.43`	`Arzach`	`change channel name to PaladinsSuck and keep on the discussion there ?`
`18:43.44`	`RaydenUni`	`i haven't actually fought many paladins`
`18:43.48`	`Barbanus`	`But in 150 AB games, I died 12 times. Thats pretty damn good.`
`18:43.49`	`cyli`	`Barbanus: I agree - everyone knows to go after the healer first, and pallies are very survivable.`
`18:43.53`	`RaydenUni`	`i usually encounter rogues, hunters, and warriors`
`18:44.01`	`RaydenUni`	`mostly hunters`
`18:44.04`	`Barbanus`	`(Granted, thats in our guild roll groups)`
`18:45.38`	`Barbanus`	`cyli, heh yea, 10k armor, 6k health, bubble and heals`
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`18:46.25`	`Arzach`	`seems that no techie with AceComm knowledge is here...`
`18:46.41`	`Arzach`	`only pallies or pallykillers`
`18:47.13`	`Antiarc`	`For the most part, the best way to deal with a paladin is to just CC them and take out their friends. They're pretty trivial kills if they don't have other people running interference for them.`
`18:47.27`	`Barbanus`	`CC'ing them isnt always easy`
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`18:47.36`	`Barbanus`	`I have a macro that casts BoSac on my tank in pvp`
`18:47.42`	`Barbanus`	`which means no seduce, sheep, etc`
`18:47.43`	`Antiarc`	`Hah, nice.`
`18:47.43`	`RaydenUni`	`CC?`
`18:47.49`	`Antiarc`	`CC = crowd control`
`18:48.28`	`Barbanus`	`Fear is the best CC on a paladin, except they can still bubble and trinket out of it`
`18:48.29`	`Antiarc`	`It's not always easy, but some kind of CC, spell interrupt, fear, whatever to keep them from healing their buddies is the best way to handle a paladin in a group.`
`18:48.40`	`Antiarc`	`Bursting them down like you would a priest or resto druid just isn't an option.`
`18:48.47`	`Barbanus`	`Yea, a good timed counterspell is the best heh`
`18:49.03`	`Barbanus`	`Mages can burst me down`
`18:49.08`	`Barbanus`	`Arcane mages that is`
`18:49.21`	`Antiarc`	`Arcane mages are nuts in PVP.`
`18:49.26`	`shieldb`	`Dwarf paladins are always extra trouble because they can stoneskin out of blind :P`
`18:49.26`	`mjc`	`http://bash.org/?714672 NSFW`
`18:49.32`	`Barbanus`	`Fireball, PoM, Fireball, Fireblast, etc`
`18:49.33`	`Antiarc`	`They go OOM really quickly, but they bring the hurt like nothing else.`
`18:49.37`	`Antiarc`	`shieldb: Yes. :(`
`18:49.40`	`djspark`	`silence shot, rapid fire, aimed shot, arcane burst = pally dead`
`18:49.48`	`Barbanus`	`Well they are good at burning down that paladin :)`
`18:49.51`	`Arzach`	`./sigh, and this was meant to be a tech channel... anyway, to kill a pally just call him gay and let him suicide`
`18:50.12`	`Barbanus`	`djspark, heh, hunters don't scare me :)`
`18:50.22`	`RaydenUni`	`i have the right info on the fight vs 2 paladins`
`18:50.24`	`Barbanus`	`armor reduces your bullets :P`
`18:50.31`	`RaydenUni`	`rogue, warrior, priest vs 2 paladins. all lvl 60`
`18:50.38`	`RaydenUni`	`one paladin survived`
`18:50.40`	`Barbanus`	`Arzach, yea, not much tech talk today, must be due to the site being down`
`18:50.53`	`Barbanus`	`no one can commit, etc`
`18:51.04`	`RaydenUni`	`i'm of the opinion my guildmates just sucked, but who knows what happened`
`18:51.11`	`djspark`	`Barbanus: my arcane shots still crit a pally for over 2k every few seconds`
`18:51.16`	`shieldb`	`what will be fun is when horde gets a lot of paladins up to 60-70 for pvp though`
`18:51.20`	`Antiarc`	`Honestly, if 2 DPS + 1 healer can't kill two paladins, there's something wrong.`
`18:51.40`	`Barbanus`	`djspark, thats true, easy to heal through though if you are holy spec, 100% chance to not take increased casting time :)`
`18:51.48`	`shieldb`	`if beta is any indication, alliance on average doesn't really get how to fight against paladins yet`
`18:51.49`	`Antiarc`	`Especially since the rogue can stun, warrior and priest can fear, the priest can mana burn, and the warrior and rogue can spell interrupt.`
`18:52.02`	`Antiarc`	`Is there a library for getting damage ranges and speeds off of a weapon?`
`18:52.35`	`Barbanus`	`shieldb, they don't realise how annoying they can really be yet :)`
`18:53.10`	`Barbanus`	`Antiarc, you said it ... mana burn.`
`18:53.14`	`Barbanus`	`Thats how you kill a paladin`
`18:53.15`	`Antiarc`	`Yup.`
`18:53.25`	`RaydenUni`	`so who do you think is better off with paladins and shamans? alliance or horde?`
`18:53.36`	`Antiarc`	`Horde really needed paladins for PVE`
`18:53.40`	`shieldb`	`I'm not sure if horde pallys will be worse then alliance paladins though - having a paladin with an AOE silence as a racial is pretty nice`
`18:54.07`	`RaydenUni`	`how long is that silence?`
`18:54.09`	`Barbanus`	`RaydenUni, pretty even, except horde racials do fit in pvp better than alliance ones`
`18:54.11`	`shieldb`	`2 seconds`
`18:54.17`	`shieldb`	`it's the silence equivalent of warstomp`
`18:55.05`	`Barbanus`	`fear ward is still haxx for pve tho :P`
`18:55.53`	`Antiarc`	`Fear Ward is something of a crutch, really.`
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`18:56.14`	`Feldia`	`fear ward is overrated`
`18:56.17`	`shieldb`	`I think fear ward is the dev's kickback to alliance for having frankenstein's monster as one of their race choices`
`18:56.29`	`shieldb`	`./shudder @ female dwarves`
`18:56.46`	`Antiarc`	`It's just kinda a shortcut that lets your tank not have to learn to stance dance.`
`18:56.53`	`Antiarc`	`Other than that. Eh.`
`18:56.55`	`NeoTron`	`speaking of alliance races, anyone find the draenei running animations (at least females) to be a bit... annoying?`
`18:57.08`	`NeoTron`	`they look funny`
`18:57.18`	`shieldb`	`well they do have the backwards knee thing going on`
`18:57.23`	`Antiarc`	`Well, they do have the whole...yeah.`
`18:57.35`	`Antiarc`	`They aren't going to walk like other bipeds.`
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`18:57.56`	`NeoTron`	`well the females sure wiggle their rear significantly. heh`
`18:58.07`	`Xuerian`	`This is a complaint... Why?`
`18:58.11`	`NeoTron`	`heh`
`18:58.24`	`shieldb`	`NeoTron, how does it compare to the tauren male/female movement animations? I haven't rolled a draenei and actually noticed them much`
`18:58.27`	`NeoTron`	`I hear you there. dunno why it seemed so wrong to me. maybe need to just get rear to it`
`18:58.54`	`NeoTron`	`shieldb: it's quite different. I think the tauren are more "bounch" (as in them almost half jumping while they run)`
`18:59.13`	`shieldb`	`O`
`18:59.27`	`shieldb`	`err, I'll have to give it a look later if I'm willing to brave the queues`
`18:59.31`	`NeoTron`	`although I must say the male tauren gun reload animation is the shit (unless it changed - Terminator shotgun style)`
`18:59.47`	`NeoTron`	`s/bounch/bounce/`
`18:59.55`	`NeoTron`	`not sure what bounch is :)`
`19:00.09`	`shieldb`	`I figured you meant bounding rather then bouncing :)`
`19:00.38`	`Barbanus`	`my gf was saying she hates the female draino walk`
`19:00.40`	`Antiarc`	`Holy crap`
`19:00.46`	`Barbanus`	`(she rolled a draino shaman)`
`19:00.51`	`Antiarc`	`apparently, chipotle burritos weigh in at about 1200 calories.`
`19:00.53`	`Antiarc`	`o.0`
`19:01.04`	`Xuerian`	`o.o`
`19:01.35`	`Xuerian`	`Well, I was going to make a disclaimer for females. But ye' males....`
`19:01.41`	`NeoTron`	`bounding might be a better word`
`19:01.45`	`Antiarc`	`I have to figure out what characters I want to delete`
`19:01.53`	`Antiarc`	`I have all 10 of my character slots filled up. :/`
`19:02.19`	`NeoTron`	`mind you I've only played male tauren as I view female tauren almost as bad as female dwarves. :)`
`19:02.43`	`shieldb`	`yeah female tauren are also kind of funny looking`
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`19:03.18`	`NeoTron`	`of course the flaw with both male draenei and male tauren is their size. might be worse for tauren though, but I found it annoying in close quarters`
`19:03.23`	`kenlyric`	`female tauren tried to tell us the internet wasn't for porn.`
`19:03.33`	`NeoTron`	`and I kept getting stuck in doorways and stuff :)`
`19:03.45`	`kenlyric`	`NeoTron: it's just as bad being a tiny gnome trying to see over hills.`
`19:03.52`	`shieldb`	`NeoTron, male tauren defiantely get in the way due to size in melee`
`19:03.55`	`NeoTron`	`hah, well at least you won't get stick`
`19:03.56`	`kenlyric`	`I understand molten core can be particularly rough.`
`19:04.02`	`shieldb`	`kenlyric, that's not so bad, you can just pan the camera out some`
`19:04.18`	`NeoTron`	`MC is so large, it's the smaller places that are more of a pain`
`19:04.26`	`NeoTron`	`where you can't zoom out`
`19:04.40`	`shieldb`	`sucks to be running blood furnaces though, and not be able to click on the proximity bombs to disarm them because your tauren tank keeps blocking line of sight to it :P`
`19:04.59`	`NeoTron`	`of course if you're a tank you might end up in a corner (think firemaw).. but then again, any race would be crowded`
`19:05.16`	`shieldb`	`we just ended up dragging the mobs around as a sop so we moved away from the bombs and didn't have to deal with them`
`19:06.05`	`NeoTron`	`I've had the bad luck of doing only ramparts, and in a rather disappointing group both times. first time was with a healer that must have magically appeared at level 60 (she could not heal worth a damn)`
`19:06.14`	`shieldb`	`the blood furnaces fights are pretty fun`
`19:06.16`	`NeoTron`	`second was with a tank lacking any FR which made us fail in the end`
`19:06.20`	`shieldb`	`a lot longer trash though`
`19:06.25`	`Xuerian`	`Damn y'all, stop making me want BC. >.x`
`19:06.31`	`shieldb`	`NeoTron, shouldn't need FR for ramparts`
`19:06.38`	`NeoTron`	`the dragon ate the tank up`
`19:06.40`	`Barbanus`	`Blood Furnace was awesome`
`19:06.47`	`NeoTron`	`but I suspect we could have better healers. just had 2 paladins`
`19:06.53`	`Barbanus`	`I've only done Ramparts and Blood Furnace`
`19:06.54`	`shieldb`	`healers just need to step it up a bit at the end`
`19:06.55`	`NeoTron`	`and neither were amazingly equipped I don't think`
`19:06.56`	`Antiarc`	`The dragon puts out some hefty fire damage, but it's easy enough to heal through.`
`19:07.15`	`Barbanus`	`NeoTron, I have done like 10 runs of Ramp, only healer, i'm a paladin`
`19:07.21`	`Barbanus`	`They just suck, IMO`
`19:07.23`	`NeoTron`	`I did wish I had choosen not to get rid of my priest way back when seeing the quality of the healers I've played with`
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`19:07.39`	`Antiarc`	`I've basically tanked the ramparts and furnace runs I've done so far. :d`
`19:07.46`	`Antiarc`	`<--- combat rogue`
`19:07.46`	Funkeh`	`loes`
`19:07.47`	`NeoTron`	`Barbanus: how's your equipment (and yes they weren't that great - I died twice due to lack fo heals when they both had plenty of mana)`
`19:07.54`	`shieldb`	`Antiarc, heh, same thing here`
`19:08.02`	`kenlyric`	`it's not h ard to heal through if the tank isn't constantly moving the dragon in the same place the healer is running to.`
`19:08.06`	`Barbanus`	`3/9 t3`
`19:08.14`	`Antiarc`	`Blade Flurry is a wonderful, wonderful thing.`
`19:08.17`	`Barbanus`	`Also I am ret spec`
`19:08.24`	`durcyn`	`ret booooo, diaf.`
`19:08.27`	Funkeh`	`wowace back down? was there some problem?`
`19:08.29`	`Antiarc`	`Blade Flurry + Evasion + AR + a group of melee is an even more wonderful thing.`
`19:08.34`	`Antiarc`	Funkeh`: they're moving the server
`19:08.41`	Funkeh`	`they finished that`
`19:08.48`	`Barbanus`	Funkeh`, been down since I logged into irc this morning, so going on 3 hours for sure
`19:08.51`	`Antiarc`	`Maybe DNS propagation?`
`19:08.55`	`Barbanus`	`It died after Kaelten went to bed`
`19:08.57`	`Prophy`	`3rogues/1warr/1pally best setup for Bfurnace...can complete instance in 20mins.. =)`
`19:09.03`	`NeoTron`	`Barbanus: 3/9 t3 is quite a lot better than these guys were. one had dungeon 0/1 and .. some random green/blues :P`
`19:09.04`	Funkeh`	`i was here earlier talking to kaelten`
`19:09.04`	`Barbanus`	`according to me looking back in the logs`
`19:09.07`	Funkeh`	`it was all up and running`
`19:09.24`	`Barbanus`	Funkeh`, yea, seems like it died like 2 hours after he went to bed
`19:09.25`	`NeoTron`	`the guild I'm in has been in BWL for some time, never killed Nefarian and apparently have a large range of skill on their players`
`19:09.34`	Funkeh`	`oh well`
`19:09.42`	`kenlyric`	`lol, you're not allowed to say something is easy if you're in t3 gear.`
`19:10.00`	`Barbanus`	`pfft`
`19:10.03`	`Barbanus`	`why not? :P`
`19:10.05`	`Antiarc`	`Sure you are. People in t3 probably have a pretty good perspective on the level of challenge of an instance relative to other instances. :)`
`19:10.24`	`kenlyric`	`it's like a PHd student saying that first grade math is easy.`
`19:10.24`	`Antiarc`	`I'm in t3 as well, and I'd say that Blood Furnace is no harder than, say, UBRS.`
`19:10.34`	`Barbanus`	`the gear didnt make me do any better, its just the fact that I blow my shield when the dragon lands, and spam heals on the MT :P`
`19:10.41`	`NeoTron`	`well I can tell you that I had a lot easier time healign with my priest in 7/8 T2 than without`
`19:10.54`	`Antiarc`	`It's easier to heal, sure, but I don't think that's what he meant.`
`19:10.57`	`Barbanus`	`otherwise I pull healing aggro, and die`
`19:11.02`	`NeoTron`	`and the instances do have greater damage output from what I've seen`
`19:11.15`	`Antiarc`	`It isn't a gear-challenging instance at any level, especially considering the Outland quest greens`
`19:11.24`	`kenlyric`	`ubrs is pretty rough on people wearing Sunken temple gear.`
`19:11.25`	`Barbanus`	`NeoTron, from my experience, the spell dmg from mobs is WAYYYYYYYYY up`
`19:11.35`	`NeoTron`	`never the less, as I said, it's not like it's hard it's that I've had bad luck`
`19:11.42`	`Barbanus`	`Physical dmg, well I don't know about that`
`19:11.46`	`Antiarc`	`kenlyric: But when you go through the portal, you basically fall into tier-2 equivalent gear.`
`19:11.51`	`kenlyric`	`I didn't find anything hard about ramparts other than learning how to do the pulls... and that fucking dragon.`
`19:11.53`	`NeoTron`	`others in the guild have completed slave pens (at lvl 61 to 62)`
`19:12.06`	`NeoTron`	`Antiarc: nah it's tier 1 level gear`
`19:12.13`	`NeoTron`	`tier 2 isn't until ~64-66ish`
`19:12.25`	`Barbanus`	`Its t2 in some cases`
`19:12.30`	`KaeltenAway`	`g'monring`
`19:12.32`	`Barbanus`	`it depends`
`19:12.36`	`Antiarc`	`Our warlock class leader replaced his Nemesis chest with a blue quest reward in Hellfire. :)`
`19:12.45`	`Antiarc`	`Flintlocke's Piloting Pants are basically Wrath pants`
`19:12.45`	`Barbanus`	`some of the leather green quest rewards is better than t3`
`19:12.51`	`Amadeo`	`For a Warrior it's nothing at all, because there is no plate :P`
`19:13.06`	`Antiarc`	`There are some -amazing- DPS rings and necks available at that level`
`19:13.15`	`shieldb`	`NeoTron, depends on the pieces. if you're talking itemlevels tier 2 falls around ilvl 76, whereas most of the items that are quest rewards are much higher then that`
`19:13.25`	`Barbanus`	`Yea, they really improved the trinkets/ring/neck itemization`
`19:13.35`	`NeoTron`	`mind you I came in with one epic, lvl 45ish blues, and some lvl 55-60s blues / greens`
`19:13.47`	`NeoTron`	`my character got level 60 about 2 weeks ago`
`19:13.53`	`NeoTron`	`so I'm replacing everything`
`19:14.15`	`NeoTron`	`shieldb: ilevel 76 epic which is more like ilevel 85 greens`
`19:14.25`	`NeoTron`	`rather 86 greens, 81 blues`
`19:14.34`	`Antiarc`	`Yup.`
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`19:14.59`	`shieldb`	`keli'dan (blood furnaces final boss) drops ilvl 88 blues`
`19:14.59`	`Barbanus`	`Check out ... http://www.thottbot.com/?i=52757 vs http://www.thottbot.com/?i=55574`
`19:15.04`	`NeoTron`	`but yes I did decide to start over because I knew gear collected on my priest wouldn't remain anything special within 5 levels`
`19:15.23`	`[Ammo]`	`damn poweroutage on my server`
`19:15.24`	`Barbanus`	`That blue neck is amazing :)`
`19:15.35`	`durcyn`	`i'm still wearing all my random bwl/naxx stuff, haven't found a single upgrade in 4 levels`
`19:15.48`	`Barbanus`	`durcyn, what class/spec?`
`19:15.52`	`NeoTron`	`Barbanus: it's better, but it's also a lowish AQ20 drop :)`
`19:16.08`	`durcyn`	`barbanus: destruction warlock`
`19:16.08`	`Barbanus`	`AQ20??!`
`19:16.08`	`NeoTron`	`there's awesome gear, don't get me wrong`
`19:16.08`	`Barbanus`	`Thats the bugs in AQ40`
`19:16.15`	`KaeltenAway`	`anyone know when the site went down?`
`19:16.15`	`NeoTron`	`err sorry`
`19:16.17`	`NeoTron`	`yes`
`19:16.17`	`Antiarc`	`http://www.thottbot.com/?i=55790 vs http://www.thottbot.com/?i=52614`
`19:16.21`	`Barbanus`	`Its t2.5 gear :P`
`19:16.27`	`[Ammo]`	`Kaelten: around 17:30 which is 3 hours ago approx`
`19:16.30`	`NeoTron`	`for some reason I thought of buru`
`19:16.37`	`NeoTron`	`dunno why`
`19:16.43`	`KaeltenAway`	`[Ammo]: was it doin anything funny?`
`19:16.48`	`[Ammo]`	`no idea`
`19:16.51`	`[Ammo]`	`one moemnt I was browsing`
`19:16.56`	`[Ammo]`	`one moment it didn't give me connections anymore`
`19:17.02`	`Barbanus`	`Antiarc, yea 8 attack power vs 6 stam`
`19:17.03`	`KaeltenAway`	`hrm`
`19:17.08`	`durcyn`	`Barbanus: http://ctprofiles.net/1124674 and i've done all the quests and instances up to ~64, just can't find anything worth wearing over that, shrug.`
`19:17.09`	`[Ammo]`	`it was fast right up to the moment it died`
`19:17.14`	`Antiarc`	`But the point is that they're very, very close, and the Choker is AQ40 gear.`
`19:17.33`	`NeoTron`	`Antiarc: reason I want to do instances more`
`19:17.45`	`NeoTron`	`I hope to be able to catch a good group of people in the guild sometime soon..`
`19:18.04`	`NeoTron`	`this would be splendid for example http://www.thottbot.com/?i=55739`
`19:18.05`	`KaeltenAway`	`trying a reboot on the box`
`19:19.39`	`Barbanus`	`Kaelten, did maybe just apache die?`
`19:20.18`	`Tekkub`	`oh kick ass`
`19:20.22`	`Tekkub`	`I love blizzy`
`19:20.33`	`Antiarc`	`durcyn: What about replacing the Reed with Vengeance of the Illidari?`
`19:20.37`	`Tekkub`	`"blah blah we will be FORCED to perform realm splits"`
`19:20.44`	`LePeR\|Jaunia`	`does anyone use cartographer?`
`19:20.55`	`durcyn`	`Antiarc: minor at best, but i hate on-use trinkets so much.`
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`19:21.24`	`Antiarc`	`Well, it works out to a 20 spell damage boost on average, with 2% spell crit on top of it.`
`19:21.42`	`Antiarc`	`And if you macro it with your primary attack, it's fire-and-forget`
`19:21.45`	`durcyn`	`plus i already sharded the trinket after doing the quest, so that's right out :o`
`19:21.52`	`Antiarc`	`Ouch.`
`19:22.08`	`Antiarc`	`#showtooltip Sinister Strike; /cast Bladefist's Breadth; /cast Sinister Strike`
`19:22.09`	`Antiarc`	`Boom.`
`19:22.13`	`LePeR\|Jaunia`	`http://www.wowhead.com/?item=25620`
`19:22.18`	`LePeR\|Jaunia`	`that trinkets nice also`
`19:22.24`	`LePeR\|Jaunia`	`instead of the crit it has dmg`
`19:22.51`	`kergoth`	`LePeR\|Jaunia: yep`
`19:23.02`	`kergoth`	`(re cartographer)`
`19:23.13`	`shieldb`	`Tekkub, I'm all for a realm split if it means that I have a queue under 500 if I get home from work late :P`
`19:23.34`	`[Ammo]`	`forced splits are bad thoguh`
`19:23.34`	`Tekkub`	`I'm happy they're forcing it on people frankly`
`19:23.43`	`durcyn`	`not really looking for other items, just was saying that for someone with aq/naxx gear, there's not much out there`
`19:23.50`	`durcyn`	`not yet anyway =)`
`19:23.53`	`Tekkub`	`well I think it's kinda last resort ammo`
`19:24.06`	`shieldb`	`[Ammo], it seemed like they had a pretty decent plan for force splits when they implement them`
`19:24.09`	`durcyn`	`Tekkub: forcing it on login is the part i dislike`
`19:24.22`	`Amadeo`	`what's a forced split?`
`19:24.31`	`shieldb`	`you get to pick server A or server B during the previous "you will be split soon" time period`
`19:24.32`	`Antiarc`	`durcyn: I'd be a bit worried if t2.5/t3 people were replacing gear left and right.`
`19:24.33`	`Tekkub`	`I don't remember the details, but if they keep free transfers between the split realms for a period after you make your choice, I don't see much issue`
`19:24.55`	`shieldb`	`if you don't pick server A or server B during the "YOU MUST CHOOSE" period, then you're defaulted to one or the other automatically`
`19:25.02`	`shieldb`	`if you're in a guild you default to wherever your guild leader picked`
`19:25.04`	`Amadeo`	`They should have been funneling overpopulated to underpopulated servers for a LONG time now`
`19:25.05`	`durcyn`	`Antiarc: well, healers of course are picking up dps gear, and there's some really nice 60-64 tank drops that are better than t2 even`
`19:25.16`	`LePeR\|Jaunia`	`they should really give you the option to go with the server split but not force you to leave`
`19:25.18`	`Tekkub`	`well when it happens does the old realm stay arund?`
`19:25.26`	`Tekkub`	`or is it two new realms?`
`19:25.36`	`shieldb`	`not sure on that - I don't think it was listed in the blue post detailing realm splits`
`19:25.36`	`Antiarc`	`Anyone know if there's a way to get weapon damage and speed other than tooltip scanning?`
`19:25.45`	`Amadeo`	`Making new servers is ridiculous when some realms have 30,000 players and some have 1,500...why make a new realm when that's obviously a huge problem`
`19:25.50`	`LePeR\|Jaunia`	`i mean if nobody transfers then force it i guess`
`19:25.50`	`Tekkub`	`LePeR\|Jaunia, they have given the option many times`
`19:25.55`	`KaeltenAway`	`how do you get linux to show you whats running on what port?`
`19:25.57`	`Tekkub`	`they're giving it right now`
`19:26.02`	`LePeR\|Jaunia`	`ah`
`19:26.02`	`durcyn`	`KaeltenAway: netstat`
`19:26.08`	`Tekkub`	`move to a new realm or we'll be forced to split you`
`19:26.09`	`[Ammo]`	`what durcyn says`
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`19:26.23`	`durcyn`	`see also: netstat -an`
`19:27.12`	`Barbanus`	`Kaelten-Laptop, what distro?`
`19:27.34`	`[Ammo]`	`barbanus: distro doesn't matter for most gnu tools`
`19:27.47`	`Kaelten-Laptop`	`is ubuntu`
`19:28.01`	`Kaelten-Laptop`	`its showing me what ports are bound but not was lisenin on em`
`19:28.04`	`Barbanus`	`[Ammo], unless its FBSD, cause they do fucked up shit :P`
`19:28.13`	`durcyn`	`Kaelten-Laptop: lsof for that, if you've got it.`
`19:28.21`	`Barbanus`	`[Ammo], which I believe is what the old server was`
`19:28.32`	`durcyn`	`Barbanus: erm, since when is freebsd a linux distribution? :/`
`19:28.47`	`kergoth`	`Kaelten-Laptop: netstat -nl`
`19:29.03`	`Barbanus`	`durcyn, since many people claim it is that on a regualar basis cause they don't know better.`
`19:29.19`	`durcyn`	`Barbanus: push them into the ocean.`
`19:29.21`	`Barbanus`	`durcyn, I'm not one to make assumptions :)`
`19:29.32`	`Barbanus`	`durcyn, agreed, lol`
`19:29.35`	`Amadeo`	`I'd just like to see a Linux distribution that works right out of the box, or at least lets you fix it easily by updating drivers`
`19:30.34`	`durcyn`	`silly packaged things like ubuntu and suse bridge most of that gap. the problem is "drivers" are kernel builtins or modules, you can't just drop new ones in like in win32-land where the kernel never changes.`
`19:30.56`	`durcyn`	`i.e., your 2.6.11 modules will not insert cleanly in my 2.6.19 kernel`
`19:31.08`	`Amadeo`	`I had lots of problems with Ubuntu and video/audio`
`19:31.24`	`Amadeo`	`Then again, it seems that I've had video problems with every distribution so far`
`19:31.32`	`durcyn`	`which video chipset?`
`19:31.41`	`Amadeo`	`6600 GT`
`19:31.46`	`Wogroipl`	`~seen aemuth`
`19:32.15`	`purl`	`aemuth <i=blahblah@bburg.demon.nl> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 12d 15h 16m 36s ago, saying: 'so no one here who can tell me a bit bout raid colors?'.`
`19:32.16`	`Amadeo`	`I dunno the chipset name anymore`
`19:32.16`	`durcyn`	`weird, the nvidia binary drivers usually don't suck`
`19:32.16`	`durcyn`	`except for that whole lame binary blob fiasco`
`19:32.16`	`Barbanus`	`Kaelten, 'lsof -i :80' will give you all processes running on port 80, if that helps`
`19:32.21`	`Amadeo`	`it's not the drivers, it's the Linux config files`
`19:32.36`	`cyli`	`Amadeo: Mine worked fine. =/ Are you using Edgy?`
`19:32.39`	`durcyn`	`there are no linux config files.. oh, you mean X11?`
`19:33.13`	`Amadeo`	`Yeah xorg.conf, and you can't just fix what's in there to repair it...I was able to get it working, but it took about 4 days and nobody knew the answer`
`19:34.24`	`Amadeo`	`I had to use Option "UseEdidFreqs" "false" and Option "DynamicTwinView" "0"`
`19:34.25`	`durcyn`	`i've not found a config generator for xorg that fills out the config fully, end up having to add modelines or driver options.. nvidia's old example config was the best i've seen, tbqh.`
`19:34.50`	`durcyn`	`if your google-fu is strong, you can make it work =P`
`19:35.03`	`Amadeo`	`My mouse wasn't really detected well either, but an easy repair at least`
`19:35.08`	`Barbanus`	`a config generator for xorg.conf would be nice`
`19:35.25`	`Cyrez`	`Kaelten-Laptop: Did you mean what ports are listening on what processes?`
`19:35.27`	`Antiarc`	`redhat used to ship with xconfigurator`
`19:35.58`	`Amadeo`	`I like Ubuntu mainly because of the Debian side of it...handling dependencies and such`
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`19:37.11`	`durcyn`	`Barbanus: there are about a dozen of them, they just all suck :(`
`19:37.28`	`Amadeo`	`Thought to be honest, I didn't really find the Ubuntu community to be helpful in resolving problems`
`19:37.51`	`Amadeo`	`They're less abrasive than most help forums/channels, but they just don't answer anything`
`19:38.14`	`Tekkub`	`hrm... my framerate drops when I'm around fire effects... any setting that might make that stop?`
`19:38.38`	`Tekkub`	`like, you know, the ones in ramparts`
`19:38.52`	`cyli`	`Tekkub: spell detail maybe? full-screen glow effect?`
`19:39.04`	`durcyn`	`it's spell detail, iirc.. but if you turn it down you won't see them at all`
`19:39.09`	`durcyn`	`and likely die as a result`
`19:39.22`	`Tekkub`	`yea spell detail stays on :P`
`19:39.45`	`Antiarc`	`Tekkub: Sounds like a problem with your fill rate. Anything that brings the particle count down should fix that.`
`19:39.56`	`Amadeo`	`I'm really curious of the framerate comparison between WoW on Linux and on OS X, since they both use OpenGL`
`19:40.11`	`Amadeo`	`or even OS X in OpenGL compared to Windows in OpenGL`
`19:40.25`	`Tekkub`	`pokes at the ATi drivers`
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`19:41.27`	`Tekkub`	`I think I just shit myself`
`19:41.59`	`Tekkub`	`for the first time since I got more RAM, and since TBC... I flew into IF and had 30-40 FPS the whole way from the gate`
`19:42.00`	`KaeltenAway`	`Barbanus: about right`
`19:42.07`	`KaeltenAway`	`its just not making sense at this point`
`19:42.21`	`Tekkub`	`oh and also, there's only 45 people in IF`
`19:42.50`	`NeoTron`	`Tekkub: yeah not hard to get good FPS when no one is there.. :)`
`19:43.09`	`Tekkub`	`well the real issue before was loading all those models`
`19:43.18`	`Tekkub`	`memory has smothed that out everywhere`
`19:43.24`	`NeoTron`	`memory is good`
`19:43.30`	`Tekkub`	`I don't stutter flying over zones as the mobs load`
`19:43.39`	`Barbanus`	`Kaelten-Laptop, whats it doing/saying?`
`19:43.48`	`Tekkub`	`it's sad that 1GiB isn't really enough even`
`19:43.52`	`Barbanus`	`apache just not staying up?`
`19:43.53`	`NeoTron`	`people with just 512 MB or even 1 GB can gain significant benefit from an upgrade`
`19:44.04`	`KaeltenAway`	`Barbanus: its not saying/doing anything`
`19:44.09`	`durcyn`	`moving to 2GiB was the best thing i ever did.`
`19:44.14`	`Tekkub`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:44.17`	`durcyn`	`KaeltenAway: no stderr or httpd log/syslog entries?`
`19:44.21`	`NeoTron`	`Tekkub: well it's to a large degree OS disk caching that helps`
`19:44.45`	`Barbanus`	`durcyn, yea, 2GB is also the best thing I ever did :)`
`19:45.04`	`Barbanus`	`Next upgrade will be a top of the line vid card, I've always bought mid-range ones`
`19:45.10`	`durcyn`	`KaeltenAway: try apache2ctl -t`
`19:45.35`	`NeoTron`	`I am contemplating a GF 8800 card of some sort but they are so steeply priced`
`19:45.37`	`KaeltenAway`	`syntax ok`
`19:45.38`	`durcyn`	`unfortunately the binary name might be different, i'm using a gentoo system :>`
`19:46.08`	`durcyn`	`how about: lsof -i ":80" ? it should show a bunch of apache2 or httpd processes`
`19:46.32`	`Cyrez`	`netstat -l -n -p`
`19:46.47`	`durcyn`	`or that. maybe with a \| grep 80`
`19:47.07`	`Amadeo`	`2GiB? lol`
`19:47.35`	`Cyrez`	`Don't need that so much since -p shows process info.`
`19:47.40`	`Tekkub`	`hum, ATi control panel don't wanna open`
`19:48.03`	`Mikma`	`Tekkub: it's too smart. it knows it's gonna have to work if it will open`
`19:48.09`	`durcyn`	`KaeltenAway: even if the syntax is right, it could still be missing a module or a path somewhere, like mod_php or if the documentroot is unmounted`
`19:48.35`	`KaeltenAway`	`well I'm starting at the top and making sure squid is running`
`19:49.19`	`Amadeo`	`mm, calamari`
`19:49.48`	`KaeltenAway`	`whats the command to see what threads are running so that I can gre it?`
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`19:51.15`	`nee\|lap`	`man ps?`
`19:51.39`	`renchap`	`ps auxw\|grep squid`
`19:51.51`	`Cyrez`	`You mean the threads on Apache or all the threads on the system?`
`19:52.13`	`nee\|lap`	`Is there a way to show locations when mouse-overing in Cartographer?`
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`19:53.02`	`Cyrez`	`If it's the second thing you want it's as simple as ps -a`
`19:54.43`	`Antiarc`	`Anyone in-game at the moment?`
`19:55.00`	`Antiarc`	`And if so, can I get the results of "/dump UnitAttackPower("player")" ?`
`19:55.04`	`Antiarc`	`Err`
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`19:55.11`	`Antiarc`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:55.13`	`Kaelten`	`ok squid wont stay loaded....`
`19:55.23`	`Kaelten`	`and I'm trying to find the errors`
`19:55.30`	`Antiarc`	`Kaelten: Is it crashing, or what?`
`19:55.38`	`Kaelten`	`it runs forr a few secs and dies`
`19:55.45`	`Antiarc`	`Odd.`
`19:55.51`	`renchap`	`othing in the log ?`
`19:55.55`	`renchap`	`+n`
`19:56.54`	`Kaelten`	`renchap: nothing in its access logs`
`19:57.04`	`Kaelten`	`I can't find a reference to it having other logs`
`19:57.04`	`renchap`	`and the error log ?`
`19:57.10`	`Kaelten`	`I can't find the error log`
`19:57.11`	`renchap`	`or /var/log/messages ?`
`19:57.13`	`Barbanus`	`Kaelten, my squid saves a "cache.log"`
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`19:57.20`	`Barbanus`	`which has more info`
`19:58.03`	`durcyn`	`try it with -X`
`19:58.20`	`durcyn`	`also -k check`
`19:59.26`	`Rakeleer`	`( -N )`
`19:59.55`	`durcyn`	`nah, -k check doesn't fork`
`20:00.07`	`kergoth`	`argh`
`20:00.09`	`kergoth`	`too much lua`
`20:00.22`	`kergoth`	`trying to print an integer with fprintf and '%s' instead of '%d' in c++`
`20:00.41`	`Rakeleer`	`-k check doesn't help if your problem isn't in the configs, either. :)`
`20:00.54`	`Rakeleer`	`ex. out of disk`
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`20:01.07`	`durcyn`	`true. maybe kael should just give us root on the box so we can fix it =P`
`20:01.12`	`Rakeleer`	`hehe`
`20:01.28`	`Rakeleer`	`I'm in yer servr, fixin yer squid! ?`
`20:01.29`	`Dhraga`	`evning folks`
`20:01.59`	`Barbanus`	`Well, all of this squid talk is making me hungry`
`20:02.01`	`Barbanus`	`lunch time`
`20:02.16`	`JoshBorke`	`Kaelten: ping`
`20:02.45`	`JoshBorke`	`nvm, looks like you have your hands full`
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`20:05.17`	`Amadeo`	`webcam?`
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`20:05.48`	`JoshBorke`	`yea, it's a secret though`
`20:05.57`	`KarlThePagan`	`kek`
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`20:06.00`	`*** mode/#wowace [+o Tekkub] by ChanServ`
`20:06.11`	`Kaelten`	`wtf`
`20:06.15`	`KarlThePagan`	`the status of http://wowace.com tells me kael is busy ;)`
`20:06.26`	`Kaelten`	`it says one of my log files has reached 2GB`
`20:06.36`	`JoshBorke`	`holy macarel`
`20:06.40`	`KarlThePagan`	`nice`
`20:06.41`	`JoshBorke`	`that's a big file`
`20:06.42`	`Xuerian`	`Somthin' is complaining o.0`
`20:06.46`	`KarlThePagan`	`logrotate FTW`
`20:07.22`	`_neuron_`	`how do I get the names of the different ingame icons? (is that in the SDK? and if so, where do I find that :P )`
`20:07.39`	`Cyrez`	`I'd just use an inverted grep to strip out anything useless.`
`20:07.40`	`Industrial`	`Whats the BE priest talent? anyone know?`
`20:07.46`	`Industrial`	`hope its not as gay as the NE one`
`20:07.48`	`vhaarr`	`_neuron_: Spell icons can be found in Babble-Spell.`
`20:07.59`	`Xuerian`	`I would've said BLPViewer, _neuron_, but I don't know if it works now o.0`
`20:08.03`	`Kaelten`	`and now the site works`
`20:08.10`	`Kaelten`	`my squid logs had gotten over 2GB`
`20:08.13`	`JoshBorke`	`wow`
`20:08.15`	`vhaarr`	`_neuron_: wowwiki.com should have a list.`
`20:08.19`	`_neuron_`	`oh nice`
`20:08.26`	`_neuron_`	`that'll work, thank you both :)`
`20:08.36`	`Kaelten`	`I need to setup that log script`
`20:08.38`	`JoshBorke`	`Kaelten: i need my password setup again :-( do i email the google list?`
`20:08.47`	`Kaelten`	`yes`
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`20:09.04`	`*** mode/#wowace [+o ckknight] by ChanServ`
`20:09.10`	`JoshBorke`	`ko`
`20:09.14`	`Cyrez`	`Kaelten: Is trac supposed to be down?`
`20:09.41`	`Nickenyfiken`	`isnt the whole site down now?`
`20:09.49`	`ckknight`	`hey all`
`20:09.56`	`vhaarr`	`hi ckk`
`20:10.03`	`Nickenyfiken`	`hihi`
`20:10.18`	`Xuerian`	`Oy, ck. And no, Nickenyfiken, just went up (Kael just said it, too)`
`20:10.24`	`Cyrez`	`Oh, there it is.`
`20:10.30`	`Cyrez`	`It was stalling before.`
`20:10.34`	`Kaelten-Laptop`	`whole site is up for me`
`20:10.44`	`Kaelten-Laptop`	`ya squid reached its max log size`
`20:11.15`	`Nickenyfiken`	`ah ok`
`20:11.32`	`Nickenyfiken`	`we need some new fresh addon zips :-)`
`20:11.48`	`Cyrez`	`So, the process was like, "@#$% this, I'm taking a nap."`
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`20:12.33`	`NeoTron`	`Kaelten-Laptop: long love logrotate? :)`
`20:12.58`	`Kaelten`	`NeoTron: didn't setup the reotation last night`
`20:14.12`	`NeoTron`	`just set squid up recently?`
`20:14.50`	`Kaelten-Laptop`	`two days ago`
`20:14.56`	`NeoTron`	`ah cool`
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`20:15.03`	`NeoTron`	`and 2 GB in 2 days is... impressive`
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`20:15.09`	`NeoTron`	`is it access logs or debug/info logs?`
`20:15.10`	`Kaelten-Laptop`	`most of it was today.`
`20:15.25`	`dm_bgp`	`whats a good addon to keep track of gay horde?`
`20:15.28`	`Kaelten-Laptop`	`not sure most of the log settings are default`
`20:16.18`	`NeoTron`	`I guess in a way it's good it didn't have targe file support (and in a way not)`
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`20:16.20`	`Industrial`	`dm_bgp: count the times you die`
`20:16.34`	`NeoTron`	`once had a nice mail loop error and got a 5 GB large log file before I noticed`
`20:17.00`	`Xuerian`	`"... Why is my hd shrinking....."`
`20:17.03`	`NeoTron`	`and incredibly fun virus checking of emails with many many levels of mime encoding :)`
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`20:20.08`	`durcyn`	`squid does full access logs by default, iirc`
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`20:22.55`	`Amadeo`	`haha`
`20:22.59`	`Amadeo`	`there's already a level 70 char`
`20:23.03`	`NeoTron`	`out of curiosity, what kind of bandwidth and requests/sec does the wowace site handle?`
`20:23.12`	`NeoTron`	`Amadeo: old news, bizarrely enough`
`20:23.16`	`NeoTron`	`28 hours played..`
`20:23.47`	`ckknight`	`NeoTron: oh, I think like 4 gigs an hour or something on peak times.`
`20:24.01`	`[Ammo]`	`~seen grennon`
`20:24.40`	`purl`	`grennon <n=jeramy@user-0cdv8vd.cable.mindspring.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 18h 34m 18s ago, saying: 'shift click to automatically split a stack of ore into fives'.`
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`20:25.52`	`NeoTron`	`ckknight: considered some sort of transparent mirror system for at least /files/? (i.e one location that can take data from multiple sources, and a way for a third party to set up a mirror)`
`20:26.12`	`durcyn`	`NeoTron: go get wowaceupdater 1.7, and look at the 'mirrors' menu =P`
`20:26.12`	`ckknight`	`it's in discussion now, I believe`
`20:26.31`	`durcyn`	`or did you mean round-robin DNS`
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`20:26.46`	`NeoTron`	`durcyn: just some sort of mirroring. DNS being a crude version of it`
`20:27.02`	`NeoTron`	`just asking as I do have hardware/bandwidth I could pitch in`
`20:27.18`	`ckknight`	`NeoTron: contact Kaelten`
`20:27.20`	`NeoTron`	`I'll get the new wowaceupdater tonight`
`20:27.24`	`durcyn`	`yeah, i've trained myself to suggest the quicket hack first =P`
`20:27.28`	`durcyn`	`quickest`
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`20:27.40`	`Kaelten`	`we are looking at mirrors you can email me if you'd like`
`20:27.52`	`durcyn`	`something like files.wowace.com with the A record set to all the addresses, would definitely be a start`
`20:28.25`	`NeoTron`	`durcyn: problem ensues when mirrors are not completely synced. the cygwin method might be more appropriate`
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`20:28.41`	`NeoTron`	`i.e select a mirror from a list`
`20:28.42`	`NeoTron`	`Kaelten: ok`
`20:28.51`	`durcyn`	`mirror select from list is already implimented`
`20:29.03`	`NeoTron`	`so I understand`
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`20:30.05`	`Antiarc`	`Bleh. Anyone know the rogue agility-per-crit formula with level as a variable?`
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`20:30.09`	`snurre`	`ding 67`
`20:30.13`	`Antiarc`	`I don't feel like plotting and extrapolating it.`
`20:30.57`	`Industrial`	`gz snurre`
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`20:33.48`	`Kaelten`	`site feeling quick to everyone?`
`20:33.55`	`Antiarc`	`Yup.`
`20:34.07`	`ckknight`	`so I'm at work`
`20:34.10`	`ckknight`	`with absolutely nothing to do`
`20:34.16`	`ckknight`	`I have no task`
`20:34.21`	`ckknight`	`and the boss is gone.`
`20:34.22`	`shieldb`	`Kaelten, site seems very snappy atm`
`20:34.25`	`shieldb`	`<3`
`20:34.36`	`ckknight`	`and I can't really code other stuff`
`20:34.41`	`ckknight`	`or really do anything`
`20:34.43`	`ckknight`	`frustrating.`
`20:34.45`	`break19`	`ckknight: sleep`
`20:34.53`	`ckknight`	`break19: I have coworkers`
`20:35.55`	`Industrial`	`play tower defense xD`
`20:35.56`	`Kaelten`	`ckknight: lol, that sucks mate`
`20:36.09`	`Kaelten`	`server is doing a load of 6-10`
`20:36.13`	`ckknight`	`all I can do is pretend to be working.`
`20:36.18`	`break19`	`ckknight: play "soccer" with a styrofoam cup and some paper, wadded into balls`
`20:36.28`	`ckknight`	`break19: I'm not in a cubicle`
`20:36.32`	`ckknight`	`I'm at a big desk`
`20:36.37`	`break19`	`well that sucks`
`20:36.40`	`ckknight`	`with two coworkers right next to me`
`20:36.42`	`durcyn`	`crawl under it, take a nap.`
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`20:36.57`	`ckknight`	`they're right next to me`
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`20:37.05`	`break19`	`give them some hush money.`
`20:37.09`	`ckknight`	`I have to pretend like I'm working to attain money`
`20:37.21`	`ckknight`	`break19: then that defeats the point of staying at work in the first place.`
`20:37.30`	`durcyn`	`nah, just threaten them.`
`20:38.06`	`tale`	`ckknight: pretend to be working == chatting in irc? :)`
`20:38.21`	`ckknight`	`yea, they can't see my screen`
`20:38.29`	`ckknight`	`but it's not like I can play WoW and pretend to be working.`
`20:38.32`	`KarlThePagan`	`tech support front desk ftw?`
`20:38.36`	`break19`	`ckknight: just dont laugh when we tell funny jokes. :p`
`20:38.40`	`ckknight`	`KarlThePagan: I'm a programmer`
`20:38.46`	`KarlThePagan`	`ah`
`20:38.48`	`Cyrez`	`Staring intently at the screen + typing on the keyboard. ^^`
`20:39.00`	`Cyrez`	`Looks enough like working. :-D`
`20:39.02`	`KarlThePagan`	`depending on the shop not writing LOC could actually be helpful`
`20:39.08`	`Industrial`	`I used to pm things like lemonparty.org to my coworkers`
`20:39.21`	`ckknight`	`Industrial: lol`
`20:39.22`	`Industrial`	`every few hours one would fall to the ground laughing`
`20:39.39`	`KarlThePagan`	`fortunately (unfortunately?) agile process makes everyone do their job here`
`20:40.13`	`tale`	`we have a coupla guys in our guild who posted about changed raid times being good for them cuz it was like an hour after they got to work and i thought "wuuh??". turns out they do helpdesk stuff and rarely get calls, so they raid at work. must be nice.`
`20:40.34`	`durcyn`	`are they hiring?`
`20:40.49`	`tale`	`lol, should find out`
`20:40.58`	`tale`	`think i'd rather keep the paycheque i have`
`20:41.16`	`durcyn`	`i'd settle for a pay cut if i could screw around all day long`
`20:41.23`	`KarlThePagan`	`meh`
`20:41.34`	`Industrial`	`i screw around every day and get p at 3pm`
`20:41.42`	`Industrial`	`but i dont go to school cause its boring :(`
`20:41.42`	`KarlThePagan`	`I have to work but I can shove-off early and start raiding ;)`
`20:41.46`	`Industrial`	`only show up for tests`
`20:41.52`	`KarlThePagan`	`if it's not too often`
`20:42.13`	`durcyn`	`i can't go back to 6 hour days until this new place hires me off contract, it's tedious`
`20:42.34`	`break19`	`lol, if I tried to play wow while working, I'd likely be fined..`
`20:42.53`	`durcyn`	`i could be 70 by now! think about it!`
`20:43.17`	`break19`	`the police kinda frown on people playing computer games while driving.. P`
`20:43.45`	`Industrial`	`lol`
`20:44.07`	`tale`	`they do? why do they keep giving you all the new computers in your cars then? sheesh`
`20:44.19`	`ckknight`	`break19: what's your job?`
`20:44.29`	`break19`	`tale: since when has an officer pulled ya over to give you a computer?`
`20:44.32`	`tale`	`lol oh i thinki misread`
`20:44.36`	`tale`	`thought you WERE a cop`
`20:44.43`	`break19`	`ckknight: trucker`
`20:44.47`	`ckknight`	`ah, okay`
`20:44.56`	`tale`	`that would explain the pseudo :)`
`20:45.06`	`break19`	`tale: :)`
`20:46.35`	`Wogroipl`	`I don't think my pseudo tells you what kind of work I do :P`
`20:46.35`	`durcyn`	`why, you roipl the wogs. how svelte.`
`20:46.35`	`break19`	`heh`
`20:46.39`	`tale`	`you can get arrested in 17 states and five contries for that.`
`20:46.58`	`break19`	`tale, only if the wogs are underage`
`20:47.08`	`Wogroipl`	`but my country isn't one of those`
`20:47.35`	`Wogroipl`	`in fact I think you can do mjust about anything here`
`20:47.58`	`Wogroipl`	`except speeding on the motorway :P`
`20:48.12`	`tale`	`it all comes back to the cops`
`20:48.18`	`break19`	`for some reason, I am reminded of a poster my grandfather used to have in his garage: "Wanted: woman who likes to fish, cook, and has her own boat, please send pictures of boat"`
`20:48.29`	`ckknight`	`lol`
`20:48.41`	`Wogroipl`	`nope, it comes down to traffic`
`20:48.56`	`durcyn`	`so does that mean something in dutch?`
`20:49.12`	`break19`	`he also had "Wanted: Good man, with 1 good eye, bag leg, good with a gun, about 90yrs old, to watch my wife while I'm out hunting"`
`20:49.12`	`Wogroipl`	`my pseudo? no`
`20:49.18`	`break19`	`s/bag/bad`
`20:49.51`	`durcyn`	`break19: purl will be along in about ten minutes for that s/g =P`
`20:50.00`	`break19`	`durcyn: heh`
`20:51.16`	`break19`	`i wish my friggin neck would pop... woke up this mornin, stretched and my left shoulder and my neck decided to freeze in place.. it hurts to move em..`
`20:51.30`	`break19`	`talk about a pain in the neck..`
`20:51.31`	`groll`	`kagaro u around?`
`20:51.37`	`kagaro`	`yes`
`20:51.38`	`Industrial`	`ding 15`
`20:51.42`	`groll`	`ok just a question`
`20:51.53`	`groll`	`is the icons for the new plants not done yet?`
`20:51.54`	`break19`	`you already asked one, groll :p`
`20:52.02`	`kagaro`	`not to my knowledge`
`20:52.03`	`groll`	`cause i got a lot of them only showing as ?`
`20:52.07`	`Industrial`	`ding honored`
`20:52.39`	`break19`	`time to go scavenge the kitchen for food.. bbiab`
`20:52.58`	`durcyn`	`i was getting proper textures for plants in zangarmarsh yesterday`
`20:53.03`	`kagaro`	`groll: I havent made any icons for them so if someone else hasnt either, then no. Once wowace is back up and dev svn is up ill ill see about getting icons done`
`20:53.16`	`durcyn`	`or i thought i was, at least`
`20:53.18`	`groll`	`okies thanks :)`
`20:53.35`	`ckknight`	`kagaro: I'm thinking maybe it'd be a good idea to not accept notes from modules you don't have.`
`20:53.37`	`kagaro`	`well th eicons are all there`
`20:53.44`	`ckknight`	`e.g. the Quests module`
`20:53.54`	`Kaelten`	`I need to figure out where to get these two moudles from....`
`20:53.56`	`groll`	`hmm oke, i just see a black box with a red questionmark`
`20:53.59`	`kagaro`	`ck: you read that thread then i tak eit`
`20:54.05`	`ckknight`	`yea`
`20:54.07`	`durcyn`	`groll: make sure herbalism module is loaded`
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`20:54.13`	`kagaro`	`groll try disable/enable the herbalism module`
`20:54.21`	`groll`	`should be.. but i'll double check`
`20:54.38`	`kagaro`	`ck: you do see th eissue though with that, would mean hardcoding all possible module notes into cart`
`20:54.40`	`durcyn`	`that's the second rule of tech support! power-cycle it =P`
`20:55.12`	`kagaro`	`ck: if they have cart noteshare installed, all they need to do is configure and their done`
`20:55.22`	`ckknight`	`hrm.`
`20:55.23`	`Kaelten`	`holy shit the suqid logs are already over 200MB`
`20:55.34`	`durcyn`	`Kaelten: i'll hit refresh a few more times`
`20:55.35`	`kagaro`	`squid grows quick`
`20:56.03`	`kagaro`	`ck: in noteshare I havea Receive filter option so they can explictly list which notes they want to receive`
`20:56.17`	`ckknight`	`hrm`
`20:56.22`	`kagaro`	`hence moving the hard code list out of cart and into a side module`
`20:56.34`	`Antiarc`	`Does anyone know if combat ratings change their contribution to your stats as you level linearly?`
`20:56.37`	`ckknight`	`oh, I know how to have it not hard-coded`
`20:56.41`	`Antiarc`	`If not, anyone have a pointer towards the formula?`
`20:56.46`	`ckknight`	`send a manual = true deal for manual notes`
`20:56.54`	`ckknight`	`for non-manual notes, it shouldn't accept`
`20:56.55`	`ckknight`	`tada.`
`20:57.18`	`kagaro`	`what if they do have herb module for instance, but have it disabled for their toon`
`20:57.55`	`ckknight`	`kagaro: then the note shouldn't accept, as it can't be put in the proper database.`
`20:58.20`	`kagaro`	`then they bitch :P`
`20:58.47`	`shieldb`	`Antiarc, http://www.wowwiki.com/Combat_Rating_System has all the formulas spelled out`
`20:58.55`	`Antiarc`	`Yup, looking there now.`
`20:58.57`	`kagaro`	`cause they do want it for their other toon, just not the current toon .. etc .. you see the can of worms`
`20:59.17`	`kagaro`	`back in 5 mins`
`20:59.28`	`durcyn`	`so.. have modules dynamically register with noteshare, and only allow receipt for enabled modules?`
`20:59.39`	`groll`	`kagaro thanks that fixed it.. had to enable herbalism always first and then back to with profession and they showed up as they should :)`
`21:00.39`	`LePeR\|Jaunia`	`what about only displaying the note if they know the profession.. otherwise hide it`
`21:00.46`	`ckknight`	`durcyn: not necessary`
`21:01.14`	`durcyn`	`i guess i'm just confused as to what does the i/o on note transmission now, is it in base cart, or all in noteshare?`
`21:01.55`	`Dhraga`	`./sigh...`
`21:01.59`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Kaelten: which two modules?`
`21:02.01`	`durcyn`	`or noteshare does the auto-send and cart does the receive, hm`
`21:02.29`	`Dhraga`	`anyone else that is totally outlagged in outlands... instance servers crashing all the time, server restarts, world server crashes`
`21:02.54`	`durcyn`	`Dhraga: depends on realm, but yeah most have been flaky lately`
`21:02.58`	`LePeR\|Jaunia`	`maybe remove the sync from the base carto.. and only allow it using noteshare`
`21:03.12`	`Dhraga`	`<- I'm on EU Server: Azjol-Nerub`
`21:03.24`	`Kaelten-Laptop`	`ZealotOnAStick: mod_log_config.so and mod_logio.so`
`21:03.56`	`durcyn`	`Dhraga: i can tell you the US azjol-nerub has been just as bad =(`
`21:04.11`	`Dhraga`	`maby its the name;)`
`21:04.34`	`Adirelle`	`kaelten: setup logrotate for hourly (or size) rotation ?`
`21:04.35`	`Dhraga`	`I havent been able to complete one instance yet`
`21:07.12`	`kagaro`	`noteshare does the autoshare, reception however is in cart`
`21:08.10`	`durcyn`	`thought so. why not have receive filters in the base cart though?`
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`21:08.24`	`kagaro`	`we could move noteshare to the base cart package so the options for filtering are there all the time. I myself for instance dont have herbs configured ON on my rogue, but i do want those notes for my herbalist`
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`21:08.50`	`durcyn`	`is it possible to enable receive, but not display?`
`21:09.17`	`KarlThePagan`	`does anyone know if there is a player reputation database with pratt integration (vhaarr?)`
`21:09.37`	`vhaarr`	`I have no idea`
`21:09.39`	`kagaro`	`not with they way it works now, hence the reports of ? icons`
`21:09.47`	`KarlThePagan`	`k`
`21:10.15`	`KarlThePagan`	`there was this mod I used called "FOAD" kinda buggy but i like its player rating system`
`21:11.04`	`kergoth`	`KarlThePagan: there's PlayerRatings on the svn.. never tried it though, just remember seeing it`
`21:11.15`	`durcyn`	`i don't know of any that integrate with prat specifically... what purpose would that serve?`
`21:11.31`	`kergoth`	`probably to show rating next to the player name or something`
`21:12.01`	`KarlThePagan`	`i'll try it ;)`
`21:14.33`	`durcyn`	`hmm, last one i used was Karma over a year ago, it would color the default frame playernames from red to green, heh`
`21:15.17`	`ckknight`	`that'd be interesting.`
`21:15.29`	`Barbanus`	`lol`
`21:15.29`	`Barbanus`	`http://www.thottbot.com/beta?i=2509`
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`21:15.49`	`durcyn`	`Barbanus: Nice.`
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`21:16.37`	`ckknight`	`lol, Barbanus`
`21:16.38`	`ckknight`	`awesome.`
`21:17.05`	`durcyn`	`with MIND BULLETS`
`21:17.14`	`tale`	`lol @ tenacious d`
`21:17.33`	`ckknight`	`what is the secret of its power?`
`21:18.10`	`durcyn`	`i am strongly compelled to put on Wonderboy now`
`21:18.37`	`tale`	`me too`
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`21:19.06`	`tale`	`though i'd be more amused if they worked in a ref to "fuck you hard" song somehow :)`
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`21:21.08`	`sylvanaar`	`my mirc has been messed up all week. anything new been happening?`
`21:21.28`	`Mikma`	`sylvanaar: we got TBC`
`21:21.29`	`Antiarc`	`Well, we all decided to abandon Ace and develop our own frameworks`
`21:21.30`	`ckknight`	`Fuck Her Gently`
`21:21.43`	`Antiarc`	`We figure that with more people working on their own frameworks, we'll get more ideas out there!`
`21:21.46`	`tale`	`i'm not good with titles :)`
`21:21.59`	`Antiarc`	`I expect a draft of your framework by this time next week, sylvanaar.`
`21:22.10`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Kaelten: aren't those standard apache modules?`
`21:22.19`	`sylvanaar`	`sounds about right`
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`21:22.39`	`ckknight`	`my new framework is called "Joker"`
`21:22.40`	`kagaro`	`ck: so what direction do you want to go with note reception ?`
`21:22.52`	`break19`	`Mine is called "Figment"`
`21:22.58`	`break19`	`as in, figment of my imagination :p`
`21:23.00`	`kagaro`	`personally, I think its fine if they install cart notehsare and filter however they want`
`21:23.07`	`Mikma`	`I call mine as Mace`
`21:23.11`	`ckknight`	`kagaro: not accept non-manual notes whose creator is not an enabled module.`
`21:23.18`	`Antiarc`	`Mine is called Sledgehammer.`
`21:23.22`	`Antiarc`	`It's a solution for every problem!`
`21:23.39`	`Antiarc`	`The download will only be about 16mb, too.`
`21:23.43`	`pastamancer`	`Antiarc: lol`
`21:23.50`	`ckknight`	`lol`
`21:24.00`	`ckknight`	`btw, my framework only works for Horde`
`21:24.01`	`kagaro`	`so no module == no notes on receive`
`21:24.05`	`ckknight`	`Alliance people can suck it.`
`21:24.11`	`sylvanaar`	`mine is called spades`
`21:24.24`	`ckknight`	`kagaro: yep. Check the manual state, though. manual means user-created and should be sent appropriately.`
`21:24.24`	`pastamancer`	`I actually did write my own framework to embed with castcommlib ><`
`21:24.33`	`ckknight`	`pastamancer: hrm?`
`21:24.35`	`Antiarc`	`ckknight: My framework will make your framework eat Horde computers and crash randomly, preferably while fighting raid bosses.`
`21:24.54`	`pastamancer`	`ckknight: http://grid.13th-floor.org/svn/trunk/CastCommLib/CastCommLib.lua at the bottom`
`21:24.58`	`ckknight`	`good thing no one uses your crappy framework, Antiarc`
`21:25.05`	`Antiarc`	`Also, any Horde that selects me while PVP flagged will go into an infinite loop while trying to calculate my awesomeness.`
`21:25.10`	`Antiarc`	`So there!`
`21:25.23`	`sylvanaar`	`mine will send you to paypal and ask for money or it wont let you cast offensive spells`
`21:25.27`	`ckknight`	`pastamancer: ew, use _G instead of getglobal/setglobal`
`21:25.42`	`kagaro`	`ck: what about a receive filter though? i.e. they have quests module installed but dont want other peoples quest notes`
`21:25.49`	`pastamancer`	`ckknight: I'm only using it once ever`
`21:25.57`	`break19`	`mine will call the ACLU every time someone else casts an Offensive spell on you.`
`21:26.08`	`ckknight`	`kagaro: that's fine as well, but standardly don't accept notes from unknown modules`
`21:26.16`	`ckknight`	`pastamancer: but it's still icky.`
`21:26.25`	`ckknight`	`you do not get kodo approval.`
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`21:26.42`	`break19`	`.. I find that spell offensive so I'm gonna sue you. heh`
`21:26.45`	`ckknight`	`lol, break19`
`21:26.48`	`kagaro`	`ck: here is the fun one now, I manually create a note, but set the creator to say Herbalism .. should you accept it yes/no`
`21:26.56`	`ckknight`	`kagaro: yes`
`21:27.01`	`ckknight`	`kagaro: since it's manually created`
`21:27.19`	`durcyn`	`i'm going to do that to send people far away from my black lotus nodes`
`21:27.37`	`kagaro`	`ck: you wana add that to the main cat notes module then`
`21:27.38`	`durcyn`	`"no, it's really in the middle of goldshire, trust me!"`
`21:27.42`	`ckknight`	`yea`
`21:28.03`	`ckknight`	`durcyn: you won't be able to set the right icon`
`21:28.24`	`kagaro`	`ck: you could if you added an icon pack`
`21:28.32`	`durcyn`	`ckknight: aw. damn.`
`21:28.33`	`ckknight`	`meh`
`21:28.51`	`kagaro`	`though it wouldnt filter right for sure`
`21:29.32`	`sylvanaar`	`how does carto's db sharing work?`
`21:30.08`	`kagaro`	`just uses acecomm to send each note of a given type in the current zone to etierh guild, group, or whisper (I added whisper today)`
`21:30.21`	`kagaro`	`s/etierh/either/`
`21:30.34`	`sylvanaar`	`can you make it pull rather than push?`
`21:30.39`	`Antiarc`	`Question - when using AceModuleCore, are modules available in the core's OnInitialize()?`
`21:30.54`	`ckknight`	`kagaro: you know, we theoretically could make it join a global channel, but that seems like overkill`
`21:30.57`	`Antiarc`	`(drycoding ATM, so I can't test)`
`21:31.00`	`ckknight`	`yes, Antiarc`
`21:31.03`	`Antiarc`	`Woot, yay.`
`21:31.03`	`kagaro`	`it only does push right now`
`21:31.06`	`sylvanaar`	`Antiarc yes`
`21:31.17`	`sylvanaar`	`kagaro yeah i know`
`21:31.19`	`ckknight`	`I wouldn't really know how to make it pull.`
`21:31.30`	`kagaro`	`ck: global channel would be overkill right now`
`21:31.55`	`sylvanaar`	`request/response`
`21:32.10`	`Antiarc`	`"WTB notes!"`
`21:32.12`	`Antiarc`	`"Here you go"`
`21:32.13`	`kagaro`	`sylvannar request from whom? 1 person everyone in the channel ?`
`21:32.23`	`kagaro`	`*or`
`21:32.39`	`Antiarc`	`Why not everyone? People may have unsynched notes.`
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`21:32.57`	`Antiarc`	`Just have it listen so that when a request and replies happen, synching happens even if you weren't the requester.`
`21:33.01`	`sylvanaar`	`it would be everyone yeah`
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`21:33.11`	`sylvanaar`	`but thats not a large number`
`21:33.34`	`kagaro`	`so for 100 notes in a channel, in a guild with say 40 people online you would send 4k worth of notes out? plus diffs of new notes they get during the process`
`21:33.40`	`Antiarc`	`Joe requests, Jane, Jerry, and Jimmy reply. Jane, Jerry, and Jimmy all also note the replies from each other and fold them into their note set, thereby synchronizing them.`
`21:33.59`	`break19`	`woah, uhm.. cartographer_quests thinks my guildie is a quest npc.. because he shared a quest with me. lol`
`21:34.01`	`NeoTron`	`so I set up Bartender3 last night. Took all but a few minutes and works compared to the problems I had with trinity bars`
`21:34.11`	`sylvanaar`	`as it is it doesnt get used`
`21:34.23`	`Antiarc`	`kagaro: You could solve that problem by slowing down the note sending, have each node send their notes in random order, and don't send a note that's been sent by someone else.`
`21:34.29`	`NeoTron`	`break19: that is quite amusing`
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`21:34.31`	`sylvanaar`	`yea`
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`21:34.45`	`sylvanaar`	`randomize a number as a delay`
`21:34.57`	`Antiarc`	`Something of a race condition, but it would be completely passive, rather than having to do synch checks between n^2 clients.`
`21:34.57`	`break19`	`NeoTron: yea, so now I got a quest giver icon on my map, with my guildie's name on it. heh`
`21:34.58`	`sylvanaar`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:35.21`	`Barbanus`	`So every time some new person requests, you would sync all of the notes .. essentially ... sounds like thats not efficient, especially if you have 50 people with the mod, and 1 person requests, which would force you to sync`
`21:35.38`	`Barbanus`	`which may / will happen in combat`
`21:35.44`	`Barbanus`	`unless i am missing something`
`21:35.57`	`kagaro`	`thats why I stopped using damage meters sync, at times in a raid it would drop my fps down bigtime`
`21:35.58`	`Antiarc`	`As long as it's throttled and you are aggressive about not republishing notes just published on that request, it shouldn't be a problem.`
`21:37.06`	`sylvanaar`	`make it do something like answer specific queries then`
`21:37.10`	`Barbanus`	`From what I am hearing when player A requests, and everyone replies, then player B-Z would all sync, even though they didnt request, which will happen in combat.`
`21:37.14`	`kagaro`	`rofl implementing tornado codes in lua`
`21:37.45`	`OvrLrd-Q`	`kagaro: that's why you have it disable sync during combat :P`
`21:37.49`	`Barbanus`	`I don't know how performance heavy it is .. just seems like a bad idea`
`21:37.56`	`Antiarc`	`Barbanus: Yes, but they'd have to listen to the chatter anyway, even if they weren't synching`
`21:38.16`	`Antiarc`	`As long as it's throttled and you delay any CPU-intensive ops till you're out of combat, I don't see why it would be a problem`
`21:38.50`	`sylvanaar`	`you need an addon which acts as a proxy between syncing addons`
`21:38.59`	`kagaro`	`you can throttle sending, but you cant throttle reception`
`21:39.12`	`sylvanaar`	`you need an addon which acts as a proxy between syncing addons`
`21:39.54`	`kagaro`	`sylvanaar: you need a true syncing library that addons register to for synch purposes`
`21:40.05`	`kagaro`	`i.e. your proxy`
`21:40.11`	`sylvanaar`	`yes`
`21:40.22`	`Antiarc`	`That'd be pretty cool, actually.`
`21:40.28`	`sylvanaar`	`i know`
`21:40.44`	`Antiarc`	`I've thought about doing it many, many times, but when push comes to shove...I don't really want to. :P`
`21:40.47`	`kagaro`	`question 1: sync over say guild channel a group channel or a global channel?`
`21:41.18`	`kagaro`	`global == the bad imho since we have to make sure everything is asci encoded for blizz filters making bigger messages`
`21:41.41`	`sylvanaar`	`its gotta be join'ed by choice`
`21:42.05`	`sylvanaar`	`so - addon channel, or whispers`
`21:42.09`	`Barbanus`	`The thing that would get bad is if 40 people had the mod, and had 100 shared notes, which would make every person process 3900 notes when 1 person requests a sync. Would definately need to be delayed till OOC`
`21:42.45`	`sylvanaar`	`well, see you just dont send at the same time someone else it`
`21:42.51`	`sylvanaar`	`is`
`21:43.11`	`sylvanaar`	`you can use the old token ring algorithm`
`21:44.30`	`Antiarc`	`Barbanus: That's what we're saying about segmenting it and making sure you don't resend notes.`
`21:44.43`	`sylvanaar`	`and honestly - you are talking about some extreme cases`
`21:46.20`	`sylvanaar`	`but for the big case you mention you do -> request -> responder 1 sends -> 39 wait/listen (if i have that note, delete from my send q)`
`21:46.53`	`Barbanus`	`sylvanaar, yea, I am talking about an extreme case`
`21:46.54`	`Barbanus`	`sylvanaar, that would be a good solution.`
`21:47.07`	`sylvanaar`	`also`
`21:47.16`	`Antiarc`	`Easy to establish, too, since you can determine order by alpha sorting the people in the channel`
`21:47.29`	`Antiarc`	`That lets everyone know where they are without any need for communicating order.`
`21:47.40`	`sylvanaar`	`you can have them all send a list saying i have notes 1,6,7....`
`21:48.15`	`sylvanaar`	`which is safe to have them all do at once`
`21:48.30`	`Antiarc`	`Problem there is synching note IDS.`
`21:48.31`	`Antiarc`	`IDs.`
`21:48.46`	`sylvanaar`	`u need GUIDS`
`21:48.53`	`Antiarc`	`Yeah, bascially`
`21:48.58`	`Antiarc`	`But those can get kinda heavy datawise`
`21:49.19`	`sylvanaar`	`you make them a hash of the data fields for that item`
`21:49.57`	`Antiarc`	`I kinda like the idea of a token ring, order implicit by alpha sorting the channel members, requester specifies a (random/sequential) offset to prevent the data burden from falling too heaving on Aaron.`
`21:50.10`	`Antiarc`	`s/heaving/heavily/`
`21:50.13`	`shieldb`	`how would you handle notes that are slightly off? i.e. if I have such and such at 37.6, 56.9 in Hellfire Peninsula (making stuff up) but someone else has the same thing listed at 37.7, 56.9? Or for logging quest npcs or vendors who patrol?`
`21:50.21`	`kagaro`	`though what your describing is best put as a p2p decntralized synchronization`
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`21:50.29`	`sylvanaar`	`you dont include that inthe hash`
`21:50.51`	`Barbanus`	`I'm confused, isnt the point of sync'd notes so that they are all the same?`
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`21:51.11`	`Barbanus`	`if you change the note, you should send the changes to be resync'd up? no?`
`21:51.33`	`sylvanaar`	`but yeah if 2 ppl find the same thing at different coords = well thats a carto problem`
`21:51.33`	`shieldb`	`not always`
`21:51.33`	`Antiarc`	`I think shieldb is talking about independent notes for the same place that are slightly off due to human error`
`21:51.45`	`Barbanus`	`Antiarc, ahhh I see`
`21:51.50`	`shieldb`	`such as if you're talking to a guy from the west side of wherever`
`21:51.55`	`shieldb`	`and someone else talks to them from the east side`
`21:51.56`	`Barbanus`	`so you would want those notes to be merged somehow, ideally?`
`21:52.03`	`shieldb`	`and that's enough to be 0.1 off for coords`
`21:52.11`	`shieldb`	`or for vendors / questgivers who patrol`
`21:52.16`	`break19`	`not reall necessary, Barbanus`
`21:52.19`	`kagaro`	`sylvanaar: best example of that is an ore node, 1 time its silver one times its iron but in the same location`
`21:52.20`	`shieldb`	`like if a guy patrols the length of a road, you could have tons of valid coords for him`
`21:52.22`	`Antiarc`	`Not necessarily - what if there are two items there?`
`21:52.29`	`break19`	`better to have the system just ignore notes that are within .2 of each other.`
`21:52.50`	`Kaelten`	`lol the files server is not straining at all but its pushing out data pretty quickly`
`21:52.56`	`Antiarc`	`I'd just let it be able to delete and "ban" a note so that you don't display it and don't send it on a synch request.`
`21:52.59`	`kagaro`	`break19: that would cause nodes that spawn in differnet items at the same spot break`
`21:53.11`	`durcyn`	`patrolling mobs do give a problem. fex the reagent vendor in darnassus, or the cenarion watch in SE zangar. it's enough for several notes each.`
`21:53.15`	`Antiarc`	`That way you can filter duplicates without being subject to them popping back up on every synch.,`
`21:53.49`	`sylvanaar`	`those are all carto specific issues which will happen anyways right now`
`21:53.50`	`shieldb`	`and then although it might be more of a cartographer issue, items that start a quest (random mob drop) mark themselves wherever they drop`
`21:54.03`	`Barbanus`	`make a system to handle pathing npcs? :PPP`
`21:54.15`	`Antiarc`	`Draw splines between related points!`
`21:54.20`	`Barbanus`	`Bam!`
`21:54.23`	`break19`	`shieldb: yea.. and if you accept a shared quest, it marks your current location. :)`
`21:54.24`	`durcyn`	`at this point i'd rather just not have the quest/vendor modules =P`
`21:54.28`	`sylvanaar`	`just dont use the coord, use the name/module/zone`
`21:54.59`	`Antiarc`	`There isn't any kind of arbitrary drawing API in WoW, is there?`
`21:55.09`	`durcyn`	`hm.. what about just merging the display of stacked notes instead of displaying ten icons in the same place`
`21:55.12`	`Antiarc`	`Like, I can't draw a line from point A to point B, I don't suppose.`
`21:55.34`	`shieldb`	`sylvanaar, that might work - ignore duplicate names for vendors / questgivers that you already have (avoids patrols) but don't ignore duplicate names for appropriate items such as gathering stuff?`
`21:55.41`	`durcyn`	`as in, multiple items in the tooltip, that would reduce clutter greatly`
`21:56.07`	`sylvanaar`	`shieldb: to generate a hash as a sync key`
`21:56.10`	`shieldb`	`durcyn, that would be nice - when I'm in thrallmar my minimap is almost solid purple due to the number of questgivers`
`21:56.48`	`durcyn`	`shieldb: yeah, i had to disable the quests module, it was getting absurd, i couldn't even see the yellow minimap beacon for the turnin.`
`21:56.49`	`Industrial`	`ding 16`
`21:57.01`	`durcyn`	`Industrial: what are you levelling anyway?`
`21:57.13`	`Barbanus`	`I'm guessing paladin/shaman`
`21:57.19`	`Barbanus`	`BE/drainei`
`21:57.20`	`Barbanus`	`:P`
`21:57.31`	`kagaro`	`im out, back in a few ours`
`21:57.35`	`sylvanaar`	`what would be super useful, is if you could filter the questgivers based on completed quests`
`21:58.07`	`sylvanaar`	`that would be the most useful thing ever`
`21:58.07`	`durcyn`	`sylvanaar: it only tracks "this guy gave a quest", not what the quest was... oh, like "hide when i turn something in to this npc"?`
`21:58.10`	`durcyn`	`is there even an event for that?`
`21:58.17`	`Barbanus`	`sylvanaar, but what if that questgiver has a quest for you later, for a chain`
`21:58.48`	`sylvanaar`	`im implying something that its not currently capable of`
`21:59.05`	`Barbanus`	`if it had a database of quest names per NPC`
`21:59.15`	`Barbanus`	`then you could track if you have completed them all`
`21:59.16`	`durcyn`	`well, you could scrape the npc name and the quest name from the frame already`
`21:59.20`	`Barbanus`	`and then hide the questgiver`
`21:59.33`	`sylvanaar`	`the quests module could track the name of the quest when it adds the npc`
`21:59.37`	`shieldb`	`Barbanus, I'd imagine it wouldn't be difficult to toggle between "show all questgivers" and "show only questgivers that show up in my quest log"`
`21:59.42`	`Barbanus`	`but thats quite a bit of work, you are creating an in-game thottbot`
`21:59.46`	`Antiarc`	`It seems like it should be trivial to filter for questgivers that gave you completed quests.`
`22:00.05`	`durcyn`	`but there's no way to know if you've actually completed a quest without witnessing the completion`
`22:00.05`	`Barbanus`	`shieldb, I'd imagine that wouldn't be hard, no`
`22:00.05`	`Industrial`	`durcyn: BE priest`
`22:00.07`	`sylvanaar`	`not really, cause there are 25 quests, you can limit it to those`
`22:00.07`	`Antiarc`	`durcyn: What about the "conpleted" text in the log?`
`22:00.08`	`durcyn`	`there's no api for determining if you've done a quest`
`22:00.17`	`Antiarc`	`You can just read the frame contents.`
`22:00.17`	`Industrial`	`durcyn: im curious as to whayt my racial priest spell will be`
`22:00.23`	`durcyn`	`okay, and what if i finish something with the module disabled, or on another client?`
`22:00.37`	`Antiarc`	`So what? You can scan the quest log at any time for completed quests.`
`22:00.51`	`durcyn`	`but not turned-in quests, was the point`
`22:00.59`	`Antiarc`	`Oh, ok, I misunderstood.`
`22:01.06`	`durcyn`	`once you've finished something at an npc, it's gone forever`
`22:01.26`	`Barbanus`	`durcyn, unless you are a GM :P`
`22:01.48`	`durcyn`	`yes, because 'gm' describes a statistically significant portion of the player base`
`22:02.16`	`durcyn`	`just saying, at some point it becomes more efficient to just tab over to a web browser and look it up`
`22:02.42`	`Barbanus`	`durcyn, I was joking :P`
`22:02.43`	`Industrial`	`a noob b or e d lah nah`
`22:04.00`	`shieldb`	`does cartographer currently have a way to hide notes without actually deleting them?`
`22:04.06`	`durcyn`	`Industrial: i sincerely hope it's something lame. that aoe drain/silence is already imba against casters.`
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`22:04.09`	`sylvanaar`	`its always more efficient to look it up or have someone send you the specific map not`
`22:05.05`	`sylvanaar`	`that's not really the topic tho`
`22:05.30`	`break19`	`durcyn: consume magic`
`22:05.57`	`break19`	`durcyn: http://www.wowwiki.com/Consume_Magic`
`22:06.15`	`durcyn`	`oh. that's hilarious.`
`22:06.28`	`durcyn`	`be shadow priests are going to be disturbing in a month`
`22:07.01`	`Antiarc`	`Honestly, what's the point of that racial?`
`22:07.10`	`Antiarc`	`It costs more mana than that to cast basically...any buff.`
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`22:07.14`	`sylvanaar`	`durcyn: i think we meant filter the questgiver display based on our 25 quests, and hilight the ones for quests marked as complete`
`22:07.29`	`Antiarc`	`Oh look there goes my 3k mana Prayer of Fortitude`
`22:07.42`	`durcyn`	`sylvanaar: you'd still need a massive quest->questgiver db then`
`22:08.04`	`Antiarc`	`...why?`
`22:08.04`	`durcyn`	`to say nothing of dealing with all those mods that add [60] to the text in various broken ways`
`22:08.05`	`sylvanaar`	`durcyn: you need a 25 spot array`
`22:08.13`	`Antiarc`	`You only need "Questgiver gave me this quest"`
`22:08.20`	`Antiarc`	`And nuke those entries as quests are removed from your log.`
`22:08.30`	`durcyn`	`hm, perhaps.`
`22:08.58`	`Antiarc`	`You know the questgiver's name and position. You know the quest you picked up. Associate the two and then filter the questgivers on the map by "Completed" status in the questlog.`
`22:09.06`	`Antiarc`	`That will, most of the time, show you where to return to turn it in.`
`22:09.16`	`Antiarc`	`Kinda like the yellow dot on the minimap, except a billion times more powerful.`
`22:09.43`	`Barbanus`	`Time to tell all of my guild to fucking install Cart / Cart notes, or I wont tell there where to find BLAHNPCOMGTELLMENOW`
`22:10.13`	`durcyn`	`Barbanus: /gmotd has been trainer locations for the past week, and they still ask =(`
`22:10.24`	`Barbanus`	`heh`
`22:11.00`	`durcyn`	`Kaelten: did squid just /suicide again?`
`22:11.12`	`Antiarc`	`I've taken to answering questions about the location of the first aid book with "The auction house".`
`22:11.12`	`ckknight`	`my new guild is great, I said I was the author of Cart and the leader sent me 5g ;-)`
`22:11.18`	`ckknight`	`lunchtime`
`22:11.23`	`shieldb`	`antiarc: I was thinking something like "I have questgiver notes for Bob, Joe, Sue, and Bill" in my questlog I've got a completed quest that says "Get 8 rocks and give them to Bill" and another that says "Sue wants 9 blocks" that I haven't done. There would be a note for Bill that was highlighted in some way, and the note for Sue would be visible, but the others would be hidden.`
`22:11.28`	`KarlThePagan`	`durcyn, same here ;)`
`22:11.43`	`Antiarc`	`shieldb: That'd be really slick too`
`22:13.01`	`shieldb`	`with some sort of toggle like "Show all questgivers" or "filter questgivers to current quests only" so that I could still see all the notes I've ever created (like for the purposes of sending a guildmember XX npc that they're looking for that I have a note for)`
`22:13.05`	`sylvanaar`	`reduce the problem down to syncable units generated by an algorithm`
`22:13.17`	`sylvanaar`	`otherwise its pie in the sky`
`22:13.31`	`Kaelten`	`I was trying to increase the squid cache size`
`22:13.43`	`Kaelten`	`and squid din't like me`
`22:13.44`	`Kaelten`	`lol`
`22:14.04`	`Antiarc`	`Heh. You all remember the big fuss over Cosmos' "Corruption" mod?`
`22:14.35`	`Antiarc`	`I think it'd actually be -neat- to have a mod that let people ID their characters/servers, which then identified them as the author of mods X, Y, and Z when you target them.`
`22:14.58`	`shieldb`	`Antiarc, never heard about it - what was the deal with that one?`
`22:15.18`	`Antiarc`	`It put Elite Mob frames around the target frame when you targeted the Cosmos author's character in game.`
`22:15.29`	`shieldb`	`heh, nice`
`22:15.49`	`Antiarc`	`There was a big stink over the authors "abusing" Cosmos for personal elevation or something.`
`22:15.52`	`Antiarc`	`I don't remember exactly.`
`22:15.59`	`durcyn`	`Kaelten: must be karma, my smf forums just fell over too :o`
`22:16.14`	`Kaelten`	`lol`
`22:16.29`	`Antiarc`	`But really, as long as it was clearly named and the purpose was understood, I think it'd be a fun mod.`
`22:17.04`	`Adirelle`	`Kaelten, it's weird you have trouble with squid`
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`22:17.28`	`Elkano`	`Antiarc, the code in SpellAlert stating sth like "IT's not nice you use my addons against me." when you met the author as an enemy ^^`
`22:17.37`	`Antiarc`	`Hahah, nice.`
`22:17.55`	`Antiarc`	`Hm. Now that I think about it...`
`22:18.06`	`Antiarc`	`If the author listed their character name and server in ## X- headers in the TOC...`
`22:18.19`	`Antiarc`	`...then you had another addon that collected those and managed "notification", that'd be a clean little solution.`
`22:18.41`	`Elkano`	`but do you realy want to be recognized on the servers?`
`22:18.57`	`Antiarc`	`Sure. Don't think it'd bother me.`
`22:19.12`	`Antiarc`	`I've been distributing my character name/server in addons for quite a while. :)`
`22:20.49`	`Adirelle`	`About carto, do the vendor/trainer/quest modules learn or do they contain the full database ?`
`22:21.50`	`ckknight`	`learn`
`22:22.09`	`Adirelle`	`nice`
`22:22.55`	`ckknight`	`you shouldn't have discrimination (whether positive or negative) against specific people or groups of people.`
`22:23.11`	`ravagernl`	`tekkub: fuzzylogic aint working, I gues you forgot to include dongleutils`
`22:23.40`	`Tekkub`	`no I didn't, it's fixed just havn't pushed out the fix`
`22:23.42`	`Barbanus`	~seen ag`_
`22:24.12`	`purl`	ag`_ is currently on #wowi-lounge (2h 18m 27s) #wowace (2h 18m 27s), last said: 'I think :D'.
`22:24.12`	`ckknight`	`that should be a kodo check, imho`
`22:24.12`	`ckknight`	`also having any malicious code`
`22:24.40`	`Antiarc`	`kodo check?`
`22:24.54`	`ckknight`	`we're starting an addon review process`
`22:24.56`	`shieldb`	`ckknight, how about mangling notifications (i.e. spellalert) as "If you want to use my mod against me you can comment out this part yourself?" :P`
`22:24.58`	`ckknight`	`called kodoreview`
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`22:25.58`	`Adirelle`	`ckknight: fyi, vendors has a built-in database`
`22:26.05`	`ckknight`	`fair enough`
`22:26.24`	`paranoidi`	`hello, is there "aced" version of BetterWayPoints (preferably one that integrates into Cartographer) ?`
`22:26.47`	`Adirelle`	`and i'm too lazy today, but I should prolly translate theses mods`
`22:26.49`	`shieldb`	`paranoidi, does betterwaypoints handle flightpaths or something else?`
`22:27.01`	`shieldb`	`FuBar_ToFu adds cartographer notes for flightmasters among other things`
`22:27.03`	`ckknight`	`paranoidi: haven't written it yet`
`22:27.09`	`paranoidi`	`shieldb: no .. it makes arrow that points into specific cordinate / mapnote`
`22:27.25`	`shieldb`	`ahh, just ignore me then`
`22:27.37`	`paranoidi`	`I find myself missing that feature ... now that I need to run from place to place constantly :D`
`22:27.54`	`ravagernl`	`http://ui.worldofwar.net/ui.php?id=1223`
`22:28.03`	`_neuron_`	`hm, maybe I should install FuBar_ToFu, I use Inflight atm, which does the same thing, but spits an error every time I fly somewhere :P`
`22:28.41`	`Kaelten`	`the new server isn't getting hit hardly at all`
`22:28.43`	`shieldb`	`_neuron_, the main difference I notice between the two is that inflight gives you a bar all the time for flight timers and ToFu has to hook another mod to give you a flight timer bar`
`22:28.47`	`Kaelten`	`you guys not surfing?`
`22:28.48`	`Kaelten`	`:P`
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`22:29.21`	`shieldb`	`I don't run any of the mods that ToFu hooks (well, I don't have bigwigs enabled all the time) so I just get a timer counting down on fubar instead of a progress bar`
`22:29.28`	`paranoidi`	`oh btw: Cartographer_Vendors crash at addon.lua:6293 (got latest yesterday or so)`
`22:29.29`	`_neuron_`	`shieldb, hm, I dont use any castbar mods, so I guess ToFu wouldn't work too well then.`
`22:29.41`	`_neuron_`	`gah, I kinda like that big bar :P`
`22:29.56`	`paranoidi`	`"AceLocal(Cartographer_Vendors):Translation "Grand Master Jewelcrafter"`
`22:30.08`	`_neuron_`	`maybe I should just track down whoever maintains Inflight and patch it instead :P (the only thing now is flightpaths doesn't get marked on the map)`
`22:30.19`	`Industrial`	`< durcyn> Industrial: i sincerely hope it's something lame. that aoe drain/silence is already imba against casters.`
`22:30.22`	`Industrial`	`lol`
`22:30.23`	`ravagernl`	`totalpackage does`
`22:30.28`	`Industrial`	`durcyn: yeah its not fun it cncels spells too`
`22:30.42`	`_neuron_`	`ravagernl, well the hard part is catching him :P`
`22:30.45`	`shieldb`	`it hooks oCB, oCD, BigWigs, and Chronometer if you run those`
`22:30.53`	`ravagernl`	`~seen totalpackage`
`22:31.17`	`purl`	`i haven't seen 'totalpackage', ravagernl`
`22:31.29`	`_neuron_`	`:p`
`22:31.33`	`ravagernl`	`hmm youre right about that XD`
`22:31.59`	`paranoidi`	`ckknight: are you in any motivation to write BWP replacement soon? :)`
`22:32.15`	`ckknight`	`money's a good motivator for me.`
`22:33.11`	`Antiarc`	`Is there an event that fires after all addons are loaded?`
`22:33.16`	`Antiarc`	`PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD?:`
`22:34.10`	`_neuron_`	`does Cartographer_Quests have anything so you can see the yellow dots on the minimap yet?`
`22:34.57`	`_neuron_`	`hm, maybe I should just run an update anyway`
`22:35.22`	`_neuron_`	`atleast it'll entertain Kaelten (you know your still sitting there looking at your server stats)`
`22:35.23`	`shieldb`	`_neuron_, yeah, it does purple circles on the minimap instead of the book icons or whatever`
`22:35.30`	`_neuron_`	`very cool`
`22:36.14`	`ckknight`	`Antiarc: there's a few, VARIABLES_LOADED, PLAYER_LOGIN, PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD`
`22:36.23`	`ckknight`	`Antiarc: wowace does :OnEnable on PLAYER_LOGIN`
`22:36.26`	`Kaelten`	`lol`
`22:36.30`	`Antiarc`	`Ok, great.`
`22:36.33`	`Kaelten`	`I'm just trying to see how bad it is.`
`22:36.40`	`_neuron_`	`Kaelten, that was the fastest update I've ever gotten, so it's a lot better atleast ;)`
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`22:38.08`	`Kaelten`	`lol`
`22:38.18`	`Kaelten`	`the files server is only pushing out about 5-10 files at a time`
`22:38.48`	`Kaelten`	`but its done 2GB in the last 45 mins`
`22:38.50`	`ckknight`	`clearly, we need to make an arbitrary patch day`
`22:38.52`	`ckknight`	`just to test.`
`22:39.10`	`Kaelten`	`lol`
`22:39.12`	`Kaelten`	`I'm curious`
`22:39.15`	`ckknight`	`seems like a lot...`
`22:39.34`	`Kaelten`	`hehe`
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`22:40.39`	`JoshBorke`	`where's my password reset?! roar!`
`22:40.56`	`Kaelten`	`Josh_Borke: I denied yer request, I think you'r fishy with all the different nicks`
`22:41.03`	`Kaelten`	`JoshBork1 JoshBorke Josh_Borke`
`22:41.10`	`Kaelten`	`it makes me suspicious`
`22:41.13`	`ckknight`	`lol`
`22:41.13`	`JoshBorke`	`lol`
`22:41.20`	`Kaelten`	`I've seen 5 of you at once!`
`22:41.24`	`Kaelten`	`frankly thats scary`
`22:41.26`	`JoshBorke`	`i'm just that cool`
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`22:42.26`	`Klazar`	`As a priest what heal-dispal indicator is suggested? Im not raiding yet`
`22:42.30`	`Kaelten`	`Josh_Borke: I never got the request`
`22:42.59`	`nee\|lap`	`Klazar: Grid works well`
`22:43.18`	`ckknight`	`has anyone noticed that there's no longer ckknight_ and ckknight__ constantly?`
`22:43.20`	`ckknight`	`hehe`
`22:43.26`	`Kaelten`	`lol`
`22:43.52`	`Klazar`	`kk thnx`
`22:46.03`	`Barbanus`	`ckknight, now that you said that...`
`22:47.04`	`shieldb`	`ckknight, using psybnc or somesuch?`
`22:47.15`	`ckknight`	`no, I fis`
`22:47.22`	`ckknight`	`no, I fixed my ethernet cord`
`22:47.42`	`RaydenUni`	`hi guys`
`22:47.46`	`durcyn`	`keeping irssi in a screen works too :)`
`22:47.47`	`shieldb`	`that would have been far more amusing if you disconnected after "no, I fis" and reconnected as ckknight_`
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`22:56.54`	`ckknight`	`:-P`
`22:57.17`	`JoshBorke`	`hm, maybe i hit the wrong button before?`
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`23:01.32`	`durcyn`	`hrm, perhaps i should have stopped after the first chocolate covered coffee bean.`
`23:02.24`	`break19`	`durcyn: man I love those`
`23:02.31`	`OvrLrd-Q`	`should we report any localization bugs in cart or not?`
`23:03.03`	`ckknight`	`I don't see why not`
`23:03.34`	`OvrLrd-Q`	`somebody told me it was 'known' and 'not to report' it last night`
`23:05.08`	`*** join/#wowace Ominous (i=HydraIRC@88-109-82-108.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com)`
`23:05.42`	`Ominous`	`hey, where can you get a program to check lua syntax`
`23:05.44`	`Amadeo`	`Anyone use Sage/Bongos?`
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`23:07.48`	`Amadeo`	`Or does anyone know if BT3 has sticky frames yet?`
`23:08.05`	`Amadeo`	`I'm guessing no`
`23:08.59`	`Xuerian`	`Ominous: Configure your editor to run your code through lua.exe`
`23:09.25`	`Ominous`	`lua.exe?`
`23:09.43`	`ckknight`	`luac -p checks syntax.`
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`23:18.02`	`Barbanus`	`so quiet in here since TBC launched`
`23:18.09`	`Gnarfoz_`	`good, too`
`23:18.12`	`Barbanus`	`lol`
`23:18.22`	`Gnarfoz_`	`testament to most mods doing what they are supposed to, I guess`
`23:18.27`	`Ominous`	`where do you download lua program from?`
`23:19.00`	`Tem`	`www.lua.org`
`23:19.08`	`Tem`	`www.lua-users.org`
`23:20.24`	`Ominous`	`dosent really help as im not sure what i am looking for exactly`
`23:20.45`	`Industrial`	`ding 17`
`23:20.52`	`Industrial`	`ding revered`
`23:21.03`	`odt`	`my guilds irc chan has been basically dead since the TBC release`
`23:21.45`	`Xuerian`	`Ominous: Windows binaries`
`23:24.05`	`Industrial`	`Kickass polearm http://fyad.org/kgih`
`23:24.24`	`Ominous`	`i use notepadd++ how do i configure it?`
`23:24.34`	`Amadeo`	`argh`
`23:24.36`	`Amadeo`	`whre's tuller`
`23:24.43`	`Amadeo`	`I hate when mods you rely on are totally borked :P`
`23:26.12`	`Amadeo`	`Sage and Bongos throws errors everytime something dies`
`23:27.09`	`Industrial`	`omg a ziggurat! :D`
`23:27.13`	`Industrial`	`wow, big`
`23:28.40`	`ckknight`	`there's two`
`23:28.50`	`Industrial`	`yeah one on each side`
`23:28.59`	`Industrial`	`I see theres a chest in it so theres gotta be a quest`
`23:29.23`	`Industrial`	`i didnt see it in the beta :S`
`23:33.24`	`Smeltn`	`is there another version of Super Inspect OR a mod like it that works?`
`23:34.49`	`ckknight`	`what's the best way to clean grime off of a laptop keyboard?`
`23:35.09`	`Xuerian`	`As far as caching the results of inspect, comparison, & binding it to a key, it's possible to make another SI. As far as inspecting at long distances, that will never be possible again without addon communication between you and your target.`
`23:35.11`	`cladhaire`	`ckknight: Did you buy the marware protection pack for your laptop?`
`23:35.24`	`Industrial`	`lol`
`23:35.29`	`cladhaire`	`ckknight: I use the cloth in that to get the grime off, and compressed air when I need to.. but the protection pack is nice for the wrists area`
`23:35.40`	`ckknight`	`protection pack?`
`23:36.06`	`Industrial`	`i thought it was a joke -.-`
`23:36.20`	`Xuerian`	`So did I... >.>`
`23:36.58`	`cladhaire`	`ckknight: http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/6364000/wo/Qa5xKe7pcPCr3HwsZJT1JXkwVFk/2.0.21.1.0.8.25.7.11.0.3`
`23:37.44`	`ravagernl`	`cladhaire where can I download dongle as fuzzylogic comes without dongleutils :S`
`23:37.45`	`Antiarc`	`ckknight: I recommend the Sparklematic 5200. I've used it to clean up all kinds of things that were caked in grime.`
`23:37.52`	ag`	`wtf`
`23:37.52`	`Antiarc`	`It polished my http://www.thottbot.com/beta?i=15216 right up.`
`23:38.01`	`cladhaire`	`ravagernl: You should yell at Tekkub`
`23:38.04`	ag`	`Why can I pop both my +dmg trinkets at the same time`
`23:38.11`	ag`	`it's nice, I'm not complaining`
`23:38.11`	`ravagernl`	`I did already clad`
`23:38.13`	`cladhaire`	`ravagernl: Its not available for "download" at this stage, since its still in beta`
`23:38.14`	`Antiarc`	`Because neither invokes the GC`
`23:38.20`	ag`	`but I thought blizz put them on the same cooldown`
`23:38.27`	`Antiarc`	`Which ones?`
`23:38.27`	`cladhaire`	`You can grab the DongleUtils.lua from perfectraid if you need it`
`23:38.32`	ag`	`anyway what should I put in my macro to pop them?`
`23:38.33`	`Antiarc`	`ToEP + ZHC?`
`23:38.34`	`cladhaire`	`probabluy the easiest at the moment`
`23:38.38`	`ravagernl`	`I thought that already, it's just that I want this awesome addon :P`
`23:38.41`	`Antiarc`	`<PROTECTED>`
`23:38.42`	ag`	`a blue and a green Antiarc`
`23:38.46`	`Antiarc`	`<PROTECTED>`
`23:38.51`	`Antiarc`	`<PROTECTED>`
`23:38.52`	`ravagernl`	`thanks :)`
`23:38.59`	`Tekkub`	`I already stated that it does have utils`
`23:39.00`	`Antiarc`	`Might need a /stopcasting after the first /cast`
`23:39.12`	`Tekkub`	`it's a bug, it's fixed, I've not pushed out a relese`
`23:39.24`	`Tekkub`	`now let me play my goddamn game!`
`23:39.52`	`cladhaire`	`Tekkub: No.. ping.`
`23:39.58`	`cladhaire`	`Tekkub: My TheLowDown is broken.`
`23:40.18`	`sylvanaar`	`who can change the mirrors.txt file?`
`23:40.19`	`Tekkub`	`whateva`
`23:40.29`	`cladhaire`	`Tekkub: i might not have downloaded it tho =)`
`23:41.00`	`sylvanaar`	`anyone have a clue?`
`23:41.10`	`sylvanaar`	`http://svn1.wowace.com/mirrors.txt`
`23:41.46`	`cladhaire`	`sylvanaar: Kaelten, I don't have permissions on the new server`
`23:41.54`	`ravagernl`	`tekkub:weird, I really thought I downloaded 168`
`23:42.13`	`Tekkub`	`facepalm`
`23:43.16`	`Industrial`	`Mikma: you squidface :D`
`23:43.21`	`Industrial`	`Mikma: what level are ya`
`23:43.22`	`Xuerian`	`Isn't it cute when cubby gets frustrated?`
`23:44.08`	`Klazar`	`Im i missing something, trying to set up a macro for casting but theres only icons for buttons no place to set a key? Do I have to put the icon in a actionbar and then bind that?`
`23:44.17`	`ravagernl`	`Can't get WAU to connect? huh?`
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`23:44.34`	`Antiarc`	`Klazar: Either that or use something like SpellBinder to bind it direcetly.`
`23:44.37`	`Antiarc`	`directly.*`
`23:45.17`	`sylvanaar`	`huh?`
`23:45.38`	`Klazar`	`ok spellbinder let me check that out..`
`23:45.56`	`sylvanaar`	`ravagernl: were you asking me?`
`23:46.04`	`ravagernl`	`no`
`23:46.26`	`ravagernl`	`but I find it weird I cannot get WAU to connect while I can still browse wowace forums`
`23:46.46`	`sylvanaar`	`ravagernl: different servers`
`23:47.03`	`Klazar`	`Antiarc: thnx, just what im looking for`
`23:47.18`	`sylvanaar`	`ravagernl: what version of WAU`
`23:47.27`	`ravagernl`	`1.6`
`23:47.58`	`Barbanus`	`ravagernl, can you hit http://files.wowace.com/?`
`23:48.18`	`ravagernl`	`yes`
`23:48.29`	`ravagernl`	`I see, files location got changed?`
`23:48.43`	`Klazar`	`do you know if it will override whateve might be set in blizzard UI?`
`23:48.55`	`Thrae`	`The installer says 10GB, but I think that's if you don't have WoW at all, right? I mean, how much space does everyone's WoW directory take up?`
`23:49.32`	`vith_`	`6.74GB`
`23:49.50`	`Harshmage`	`5.94gm..w/o BC`
`23:49.57`	`Thrae`	`vith_: w/ TBC?`
`23:50.00`	`vith_`	`yes, with`
`23:50.03`	`ravagernl`	`8gig including TBC and addons :D`
`23:50.18`	`Thrae`	`Ah, OK. I'll need to somehow spare ~10 gigs.`
`23:50.31`	`Thrae`	`Thankfully, I know how to use junctions.`
`23:50.53`	`ravagernl`	`virtual drives using NTFS right?`
`23:51.25`	`Harshmage`	`sorry...I just cleaned up my patches... 5.27gb w/o TBC`
`23:51.27`	`Thrae`	`Junction points are NT's version of symbolic links. They basically tell the file system "go here instead for this directory"`
`23:54.06`	`ravagernl`	`yeah, thats what I was thinking`
`23:55.26`	`Industrial`	`Mikma: ping`
`23:56.30`	`ravagernl`	`how is base coming along industrial`
`23:56.55`	`Industrial`	`still the same`
`23:56.56`	`Industrial`	`:p`
`23:57.01`	`Industrial`	`im playing wow.`
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`23:57.35`	`Barbanus`	`This is an awesome post http://blue.cardplace.com/newcache/forums.worldofwarcraft.com/69827295.htm?posts=5`

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