irclog2html for #wowace on 20070109

`00:00.18`	`kenlyric`	`DanceDataBase`
`00:00.29`	`CIA-17`	`03toadkiller * r24119 10AutoBar/ (10 files): (log message trimmed)`
`00:00.29`	`CIA-17`	`AutoBar:`
`00:00.30`	`CIA-17`	`-- Removed alt & ctrl slef cast in options. Use blizz interface instead.`
`00:00.30`	`CIA-17`	`-- Alt / Ctrl selfcast changed to use blizz code.`
`00:00.30`	`CIA-17`	`-- Note that autoSelfCast is via blizzard interface options / basic / Auto Self Cast`
`00:00.30`	`CIA-17`	`-- Unless there are bugs Self Cast should now be a fully implemented feature.`
`00:00.31`	`vinaur`	`:-)`
`00:00.32`	`CIA-17`	`-- Do not show a count of just 1`
`00:00.42`	`vinaur`	`nymbia, thanks`
`00:01.12`	`CIA-17`	`03toadkiller * r24120 10AutoBarConfig/ (AutoBarConfig.lua AutoBarConfig.toc AutoBarConfig.xml): (log message trimmed)`
`00:01.12`	`CIA-17`	`AutoBarConfig:`
`00:01.12`	`CIA-17`	`-- Removed alt & ctrl slef cast in options. Use blizz interface instead.`
`00:01.12`	`CIA-17`	`-- Alt / Ctrl selfcast changed to use blizz code.`
`00:01.12`	`CIA-17`	`-- Note that autoSelfCast is via blizzard interface options / basic / Auto Self Cast`
`00:01.14`	`CIA-17`	`-- Unless there are bugs Self Cast should now be a fully implemented feature.`
`00:01.18`	`CIA-17`	`-- Do not show a count of just 1`
`00:02.02`	`CIA-17`	`03nymbia * r24121 10FuBar_GarbageFu/FuBar_GarbageFu.toc: FuBar_GarbageFu: fixed typo in toc`
`00:02.08`	`nymbia`	`vinaur: ^`
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`00:05.17`	`Mimesis`	`latest aguf zip not working at all for anyone?`
`00:06.31`	`Hjalte`	`Mimesis: It's working fine for me`
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`00:12.38`	`Mimesis`	`bugsack now always showing the count sitting at 0/0`
`00:12.44`	`Mimesis`	`cant find an option`
`00:13.23`	`kergoth`	`Mimesis: he changed it to show 0/0 when there are no bugs, so that if you have the icon hidden, you can still find the thing on the fubar, afaik`
`00:13.49`	`Mimesis`	`i guess it encourages that now, gonna hide the icon i guess`
`00:14.37`	`Mimesis`	`also aguf trunk working, it may be the same version and just needed me to relog for some reason tho`
`00:16.13`	`Tain`	`Submitted to get my MX records changed so I can start using gmail for my domain.`
`00:16.16`	`Tain`	`That rules.`
`00:16.34`	`ravagernl`	`goodgriev that thread about onebag and that kartu is locked`
`00:17.30`	`Mimesis`	`is there a prat 2.0 thread`
`00:17.35`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Yes.`
`00:17.42`	`Mimesis`	`nevermind`
`00:18.49`	`CIA-17`	`03kagaro * r24122 10Cartographer/Modules/Notes.lua: Cartographer/Modules/Notes: added a IsMiniNoteHidden for modules to hide only their minimap icons`
`00:20.06`	`CIA-17`	`03drzoot * r24123 10/branches/Axon/ (Axon.lua AxonProvider.lua):`
`00:20.06`	`CIA-17`	`Axon:`
`00:20.06`	`CIA-17`	`- Added prototype stone and bandage cooldown providers, they run about 1 - 2 secs slow atm`
`00:22.32`	`ckknight`	`kagaro: make sure stuff like that is wikified`
`00:22.38`	`kagaro`	`done already :)`
`00:23.24`	`kergoth`	`we should do a cartographer_notepanel, which uses the sidepanels to list all the notes in the current map, and when clicking on one, does the minimap blip animation at that location, and such`
`00:23.38`	`kergoth`	`cart_scribe does something like that for itself, though pretty minimally`
`00:24.02`	`kagaro`	`now those people who wanted that functionalality for just hiding minimap icons can now do it`
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`00:24.57`	`Mimesis`	`"do the actual chat replacement"`
`00:25.09`	`kergoth`	`heh, i was wondering what the heck that did`
`00:25.12`	`Mimesis`	`cant seem to find out what that does`
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`00:26.39`	`Barbanus`	`hmmm so a patch tomorrow`
`00:26.57`	`Barbanus`	`wonder what they will break in the UI this time`
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`00:27.44`	`vinaur`	`what's the command in ace (if there is one) to get the slash commands for a given mod...like i only know the mod name from the /ace list all`
`00:29.04`	`ckknight`	`vinaur: that's how...`
`00:29.13`	`ckknight`	`it'll say the slash command next to it if there exists one`
`00:29.46`	`ravagernl`	`eg for aguf it would /ace list search ag_unitframes`
`00:29.56`	`ravagernl`	`and next to the title it would display /aguf`
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`00:31.42`	`vinaur`	`ckknight, it will only do that for an enabled mod, right?`
`00:31.52`	`ckknight`	`yes`
`00:34.33`	`vinaur`	`man, the mod i was working on does pretty much the same thing fubar - garbagefu does, except it's a stand-alone and non-ace....idk what to do. drop it and recommend addition of stand-alone commands to garbagefu or convert to ace`
`00:35.05`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`ok, why with the latest agUF, do I have to make my frames a lot, lot wider for them not to cut off text?`
`00:35.22`	`CIA-17`	`03hati * r24124 10RaidGroupNumber/ (RaidGroupNumber.toc libs/): RaidGroupNumber: fix .toc and externals`
`00:35.47`	`Azurewrath`	`ZealotOnAStick: just edit the layout you use.. don't know why ag keeps those text fields so small..`
`00:36.07`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`it's on the default ABF layout.`
`00:36.24`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`latest version also seems to have totally thrashed my modifed zABF . . .`
`00:36.58`	`Azurewrath`	`in ABF.lua it would be line 200 for HP and line 213 for Mana`
`00:37.15`	`Azurewrath`	`i found something around 70 to be a good value`
`00:38.07`	`grennon`	`http://ace.pastey.net/4770 works`
`00:38.13`	`grennon`	`but isnt good`
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`00:40.21`	`vhaarr`	`if (...) == "LeftButton", shouldn't that be select(1, ...) ?`
`00:40.28`	`Toadkiller`	`vinaur: unless u are going to do a radically better job there does not seem to be a point? Also, assuming garbagefu sells grey garbage then Automaton is yet another ace mod that does that as well`
`00:41.14`	`kagaro`	`ck: do you mind if I add some stuff to Tourist to get FishingSkill for a zone ?`
`00:41.32`	`Toadkiller`	`vinaur: or if garbagefu needs work see if the author wants to let you take it over`
`00:41.35`	`ckknight`	`please do.`
`00:41.42`	`kagaro`	`ck: ok`
`00:41.57`	`kergoth`	`vhaarr: select(1, ...) is no different from .... remember that select() returns not the element you request, but that element and all the ones after that.`
`00:42.06`	`vhaarr`	`ah`
`00:42.07`	`kergoth`	`so select(1, ...) is all of the elements in ...`
`00:42.13`	`vhaarr`	`indeed`
`00:42.27`	`kergoth`	`still looks funny, but .. :)`
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`00:49.41`	`vinaur`	`Toadkiller, yeah, I found the ui for non-fubar users...somehow missed it at first. I think I'll just ask the author if he wants to add a couple features.`
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`00:50.50`	`vinaur`	`now since two of my addons got shot down....i need a new project to work on. Anyone know a mod called Guild2Guild? I was wondering if something like that is already available, since Guild2Guild has not been updated and has bugs in it.`
`00:51.14`	`nymbia`	`what's it do?`
`00:51.38`	`vinaur`	`basically if two people in different guilds have it, it transmits messages from one guild channel to another`
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`00:52.09`	`Thorgard`	`vinaur, oh that sounds evil.`
`00:52.25`	`vinaur`	`evil, but may be very useful for guild/pre-guild setup`
`00:52.37`	`grennon`	`vhaarr: that tidbit was based on old ported code, it may be funky and there may be a better way to do it`
`00:52.38`	`vinaur`	`or a co-guild coalition`
`00:52.51`	`Thorgard`	`I would think making their own channel would be easier. ;P`
`00:52.56`	`Adirell2`	`Toadkiller: right-click in autobar to give food to pet doesn't work.`
`00:53.01`	`grennon`	`vhaarr: but the biggest problem with that code blurb was that it doesnt check if an item is mailable before it attempts to pickup the item`
`00:53.10`	`vhaarr`	`ah`
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`00:53.38`	`vinaur`	`yeah, that's what my guild has ben doing, but a lot of people are lazy and/or don't know about the channel, and the pre-guild gets excluded from everything`
`00:53.58`	`Adirell2`	`Toadkiller: notice i didn't checked how you try to do it. i think there two way to do so actually : 1) cast feed pet then use item, 2) take item and give it to the pet`
`00:54.16`	`Adirell2`	`Toadkiller: dunno if use item while targetting pet works`
`00:55.03`	`grennon`	`the way gmail1 checked to see if an item was mailable was to set tooltip to it and check the tooltip for soulbound/quest/conjured`
`00:55.15`	`grennon`	`theres gotta be a better way`
`00:55.49`	`beerke`	`vinaur, you could checout privatechat and make a module for that that allows what you want`
`00:55.52`	`Adirell2`	`but simply clicking feed pet then an item on autobar works`
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`00:56.44`	`Hjalte`	`Does any of you know, if it is possible to somehow enlargen the xart texture? It's quite small`
`00:57.16`	`vinaur`	`grennon, GetItemInfo() ItemType will tell you if it's a quest item`
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`01:00.09`	`Adirell2`	`night`
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`01:00.43`	`vinaur`	`grennon, will also tell you if it's a quest item`
`01:00.49`	`CIA-17`	`03rabbit * r24125 10FreeRefills/Core.lua: FreeRefills: Converted to use GetItemCount and str:method.`
`01:00.52`	`RaydenUni`	`what ace plugins would you guys consider essential?`
`01:00.53`	`vinaur`	`grennon, not if it's soulbound though`
`01:00.59`	`RaydenUni`	`Bartender2, ag_UnitFrames, Fubar`
`01:01.01`	`RaydenUni`	`anything else?`
`01:02.04`	`cyli`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:02.23`	`Nomad_Wanderer`	`what else does it say in bugsack?`
`01:02.40`	`Nomad_Wanderer`	`AceComm is a generic library.`
`01:02.54`	`cyli`	`Nomad_Wanderer: hang on, let me go start WoW`
`01:03.39`	`RaydenUni`	`might be a specific plugin`
`01:03.46`	`RaydenUni`	`some of the plugins i got didn't work right`
`01:03.48`	`RaydenUni`	`MountMe for one`
`01:03.49`	`Nomad_Wanderer`	`Hmm. thats strange.. 404 for me is inability to detect the ace comm channel`
`01:03.53`	`vinaur`	`beerke, thanks, i'll check it out`
`01:04.01`	`RaydenUni`	`http://onefile.raydenuni.com/one_file/onefile/1/wowace_plugins.gif weeee`
`01:04.09`	`CIA-17`	`03morgalm * r24126 10MorgDKP/ (. MorgdkpALTERNATE.pl):`
`01:04.09`	`CIA-17`	`MorgDKP:`
`01:04.09`	`CIA-17`	`-add MorgdkpALTERNATE.pl file for people with different eqDKP format`
`01:06.07`	`beerke`	`btw`
`01:06.32`	`beerke`	`anyone knows of a mod that simplify need/greed rolls on loot and moves it to another window ?`
`01:06.38`	`beerke`	`or uses it own window even`
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`01:08.27`	`Thorgard`	`beerke, simplify how?`
`01:09.23`	`cyli`	`Nomad_Wanderer: I need to change zones to trigger the error I think, but right off the bat when I log in, I'm getting a BugSack-2.1.1\BugSack.lua:228: AceLocal(BugSack): Translation "Filter addon mistakes" does not exist. Did I forget to install something?`
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`01:09.45`	`Nomad_Wanderer`	`Are your running embedded?`
`01:09.50`	`Nomad_Wanderer`	`what have you isntalled lately/`
`01:09.53`	`Nomad_Wanderer`	`oops instructor brb`
`01:11.12`	`cyli`	`Nomad_Wanderer: No, not running embedded. I was having horrible load times, so just today I downloaded all the libraries I needed and then set WoWUpdater to delete everything and install without externals.`
`01:13.19`	`groll`	`cyli if u get horrible loadtimes when running embedded ur doing somethign wrong.. i run with embedded on a pure crap comp and i load on like 3-5 seconds when i zone`
`01:13.33`	`RaydenUni`	`aceupdater requries .net?`
`01:14.49`	`cyli`	`groll: hm... well when I first log in, it takes me about 10 seconds to load up. after that between zones it isn't bad at all. changing to non-embedded sped up my initial load time a bit`
`01:15.05`	`cyli`	`groll: any suggestions on what I might be doing wrong?`
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`01:15.44`	`ckknight`	`RaydenUni: yea`
`01:17.02`	`groll`	`cyli not a clue :P`
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`01:17.48`	`groll`	`but yes the initial will be slower with embedded, but initial load i can live with cause using standalone screw up quite often :P`
`01:18.08`	`Nomad_Wanderer`	`disembedded is really for devs`
`01:18.28`	`Nomad_Wanderer`	`the load time difference is negligible`
`01:18.43`	`DrZoot`	`is periodictable-2.0 embeddable?`
`01:18.52`	`beerke`	`yes`
`01:20.02`	`cyli`	`groll: the only reason I did it is that I quickly switch between alts a lot to check mail/auctions/help my friends transfer or craft things while I'm in BG queues (if you do it quickly, it doesn't kick you out of the queue)`
`01:20.35`	`cyli`	`Nomad_Wanderer: the initial load time difference was noticeable, although not spectacularly`
`01:22.21`	`cyli`	`Nomad_Wanderer: comment is duly noted though, so if I have any bugs that actually interfere with gameplay, I'll switch back. :)`
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`01:28.04`	`CIA-17`	`03uruloke * r24127 10ArcHUD2/ (5 files in 2 dirs):`
`01:28.05`	`CIA-17`	`ArcHUD2:`
`01:28.05`	`CIA-17`	`* Fixed possible error in casting rings with a nil value`
`01:28.05`	`CIA-17`	`* Added option to fade the pet nameplate based on pet happiness`
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`01:38.32`	`CIA-17`	`03kagaro * r24128 10TouristLib/Tourist-2.0/Tourist-2.0.lua: TouristLib/Tourist-2.0: Add new function GetFishingLevel(zone) returns the minimum fishign skill needed to fish a given zone`
`01:38.36`	`Goeb`	`ugh, anyone here use arkinventory?`
`01:41.05`	`vhaarr`	`kagaro: Sweet, how about herbalism and mining? :P`
`01:41.22`	`vhaarr`	`I never got the hang of fishing :/`
`01:41.39`	`kagaro`	`wiki page updated`
`01:42.55`	`kagaro`	`If we had subzones in babble-zone I could make more accurate skill levels based on subzone`
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`01:51.17`	`groll`	`can u do macros with click2cast?`
`01:53.33`	`CIA-17`	`03neriak * r24129 10FruityLoots/FruityLoots.lua: FruityLoots - removed Skinner hack, because Skinner does support FL now, thanks`
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`01:56.03`	`Kemayo`	`groll: Yes. But multi-line macros are... challenging.`
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`01:56.29`	`groll`	`Kemayo hms mkay :/ it works in clique though :P`
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`01:57.42`	`Kemayo`	`Currently, insofar as I can tell, you are limited to typing your macro into a textbox for click-casting a macro. For binding to a button you can enter a macro's name.`
`01:58.01`	`groll`	`ok well i'll dl and test it :D`
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`01:58.32`	`CIA-17`	`03eraslin 07v2.0 * r24130 10DKPmon/DKPmon/README.txt: DKPmon: v2.0 -- Added readme.txt`
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`02:03.45`	`CIA-17`	`03antiarc * r24131 10Bartender3_AutoBindings/ (. Bartender3_AutoBindings.lua Bartender3_AutoBindings.toc): Bartender3_AutoBindings: Initial commit.`
`02:04.35`	`Antiar3`	`Check it out, all that were interested earlier :)`
`02:04.49`	`Antiar3`	`Automatically sets keybinding text for skills that you bound with SetBindingSpell, etc`
`02:05.37`	`CIA-17`	`03eraslin 07v2.0 * r24132 10DKPmon/DKPmon_eqDKP/Documentation/ (eqdkp.pdf eqdkp.tex): DKPmon: v2.0 -- update eqDKP docs`
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`02:13.52`	`kagaro`	`ck: you there?`
`02:14.07`	`ckknight`	`at work`
`02:14.33`	`kagaro`	`im gona add to zoneinfo module to show fishign for a zone if a.) you have the fishign skill abd b.) the zone is fishable`
`02:14.42`	`kagaro`	`unless you got an objection to that`
`02:16.04`	`vhaarr`	`kagaro: How about calling it a SkillInfo module, so that in the off chance that tourist gets herbalism and stuff, the module can be used for that as well?`
`02:16.12`	`Fisker-`	`nice`
`02:16.14`	`Fisker-`	`they nerfed warlocks`
`02:16.22`	`Fisker-`	`and the QQ'ing began`
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`02:17.31`	`kagaro`	`vharr: as a zone level show? most people wanted to know by actual ore not zone wide .. fishing is a special case as to you can skill up in any zone .. i.e. go from 1 - 375 in mulgore if you wanted.`
`02:18.19`	`CIA-17`	`03eraslin * r24133 10Bidder_FCZS/ (. Bidder_FCZS.toc fczs.lua gpl.txt localization.enUS.lua): Bidder_FCZS: Initial import.`
`02:18.21`	`kagaro`	`vaharr: im gona add mine and herb mins to the stat module, added fishing to zone cause it really needed it at that level since it isnt specific to a given fish/node`
`02:18.45`	`CIA-17`	`03eraslin * r24134 10Bidder_ZSumAuction/ (. Bidder_ZSumAuction.toc gpl.txt zsumauction.lua): Bidder_ZSumAuction: Initial import.`
`02:19.14`	`CIA-17`	`03eraslin * r24135 10DKPmon_CSV/ (7 files): DKPmon_CSV: Initial import.`
`02:19.31`	`CIA-17`	`03eraslin * r24136 10DKPmon_eqDKP/ (10 files in 2 dirs): DKPmon_eqDKP: Initial import.`
`02:19.42`	`CIA-17`	`03grennon * r24137 10AltClickToAddItem/AltClickToAddItem.toc: AltClickToAddItem: -take my friggin email off the author line so it isnt harvested off wowace.com/files listing`
`02:20.00`	`CIA-17`	`03eraslin * r24138 10DKPmon_FCZS/ (6 files): DKPmon_FCZS: Initial import.`
`02:20.23`	`kagaro`	`ck: so do you have an objection to fishing skill at the zoneinfo line ?`
`02:20.33`	`CIA-17`	`03eraslin * r24139 10DKPmon_ZSumAuction/ (6 files): DKPmon_ZSumAuction: Initial import.`
`02:20.52`	`kagaro`	`vaharr: plus fishing goes up to 520 skill with gear :P`
`02:20.56`	`nymbia`	`that's a lot of initial imports`
`02:21.27`	`DrZoot`	`how do I turn the bag,slot return values from PeriodicTable-2.0 into a inventoryid usable with bliz functions like GetInventorySlotInfo() ?`
`02:21.28`	`CIA-17`	`03sayclub * r24140 10AutoBar/AutoBar.toc:`
`02:21.28`	`CIA-17`	`AutoBar:`
`02:21.28`	`CIA-17`	`- toc (Notes-koKR) fix`
`02:21.36`	`CIA-17`	`03eraslin * r24141 10DKPmon/:`
`02:21.36`	`CIA-17`	`DKPmon:`
`02:21.36`	`CIA-17`	`<PROTECTED>`
`02:21.54`	`CIA-17`	`03eraslin * r24142 10Bidder/: Bidder: Removing to make way for the new version.`
`02:22.08`	`kagaro`	`ck: im assuming your alright with it, if not we easy enough to back out`
`02:22.23`	`ckknight`	`zoneinfo?`
`02:22.28`	`ckknight`	`which zoneinfo line?`
`02:22.34`	`CIA-17`	`03eraslin * r24143 10Bidder/ (29 files in 10 dirs): Bidder: Initial import of v2.0. The total rewrite.`
`02:22.37`	`ckknight`	`just put it in with the rest of the data`
`02:22.39`	`kagaro`	`in the zoneinfo module for cart`
`02:22.41`	`ckknight`	`with yards and such.`
`02:22.46`	`ckknight`	`oh, for cart.`
`02:22.48`	`ckknight`	`um`
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`02:22.51`	`ckknight`	`sure, put it in`
`02:22.53`	`ckknight`	`make it pretty`
`02:23.01`	`CIA-17`	`03eraslin * r24144 10DKPmon/ (41 files in 14 dirs): DKPmon: Initial import of v2.0. The total rewrite.`
`02:23.02`	`kagaro`	`yeah, in tourist , i added fishign info just like yards`
`02:23.36`	`CIA-17`	`03kagaro * r24145 10Cartographer/Modules/ZoneInfo.lua: Cartographer/Modules/ZoneInfo: Added fishing to zone info if you have the fishing skill`
`02:23.50`	`CIA-17`	`03eraslin * r24146 10Bidder/Libs/: Bidder: Add externals.`
`02:24.22`	`sylvanaar`	`morning`
`02:27.08`	`Nargiddley`	`DrZoot, where is the item that you want to get info from.`
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`02:28.36`	`Gamefaq\|afk`	`sylvanaar: prat is full deDE updated to 2.0 ...`
`02:29.40`	`DrZoot`	`Nargiddley, its in a bag`
`02:30.02`	`Nargiddley`	`then you dont want GetInventorySlotInfo`
`02:30.27`	`Nargiddley`	`GetContainerItemInfo(bag, slot)`
`02:30.55`	`Nargiddley`	`Inventory funcs are for equipped items, or a couple other places. not normal bags`
`02:31.39`	`DrZoot`	`damnit, I was looking at the wrong part of the wowwiki api :( thanks`
`02:32.05`	`Nargiddley`	`items in the bank (not in bags) and the keyring have inventory slots. not sure if theres others`
`02:32.08`	`CIA-17`	`03rabbit * r24147 10ClosetGnome/ClosetGnome.lua: ClosetGnome: Fixed bug with hunters and feign death.`
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`02:33.24`	`DrZoot`	`Nargiddley, Im only intereted in bags atm, just trying to find a better way of getting cooldown information`
`02:33.31`	`Nargiddley`	`k`
`02:34.13`	`Thorgard`	`Man.. these "+" and "-"ses before every line is annoying.`
`02:35.36`	`Kemayo`	`Wow, there's a lot of agUF "addon tried to call protected function" stuff now.`
`02:36.29`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`.`
`02:37.53`	`CIA-17`	`03quetz * r24148 10FelwoodFarmer/ (FelwoodFarmer.lua FelwoodFarmer.toc): FelwoodFarmer: Some code cleanup`
`02:38.03`	`Azurewrath`	`haha.. that's sooo mean. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbOA3_0I1Kw`
`02:40.17`	`DrZoot`	`ffs, there always has to be an exception to the rule doesnt there, im trying to watch for cooldowns on bandages,pots and stones, but bandages dont have a cooldown, they have a debuff`
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`02:40.36`	`CIA-17`	`03antiarc * r24149 10Bartender3_AutoBindings/Bartender3_AutoBindings.lua: Bartender3_AutoBindings: A couple of fixes to work with the latest BT3.`
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`02:42.41`	`Nickenyfiken`	`DrZoot: anything to make i hard :-P`
`02:42.52`	`CIA-17`	`03next96 * r24150 10Skinner/AddonSkins/MailTo.lua:`
`02:42.52`	`CIA-17`	`Skinner :`
`02:42.52`	`CIA-17`	`- Mailto : Mailable, Auctionable,Tradeable Frame title fix`
`02:43.36`	`Klazar`	`why the heck cant Fubar save my toon layouts when i log out? I play warrlock, warrior and prriest. Im forever losing my setups mainly when i play the non spell caster, the warrior`
`02:44.37`	`grennon`	`i think i found my tooltip free method for checking for an AltSend`
`02:44.38`	`grennon`	`http://ace.pastey.net/4772`
`02:44.48`	`Klazar`	`im running all Ace2 and update via updater daily`
`02:44.58`	`grennon`	`cant test it right now because were taking our first thaddius kill screenshot`
`02:45.56`	`Arrowmaster`	`Klazar: you set fubar to use character specific profiles?`
`02:46.43`	`Klazar`	`prior to doing set up check class:warrior ?`
`02:53.52`	`CIA-17`	`03ag * r24151 10ag_UnitFrames/ (4 files in 3 dirs):`
`02:53.52`	`CIA-17`	`ag_UnitFrames`
`02:53.52`	`CIA-17`	`<PROTECTED>`
`02:54.36`	ag`	`There man, those string lengths can go fuck themselves now.`
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`02:55.18`	`Kirkburn`	`Such a loving father to those string lengths :P`
`02:55.44`	`Dekuna`	`is there some sort of Prat issue that screws with macros? i've been having trouble with using a macro for the trade channel`
`02:55.46`	ag`	`but seriously, it sucks how you just can't anchor stuff to where a string actually ends.`
`02:57.49`	`Fridgid`	`are there any unit api calls that work differently on pve servers as opposed to pvp servers?`
`02:58.01`	`Fridgid`	`damnit`
`02:58.02`	ag`	`I don't think so`
`02:58.21`	`Soulless`	`hmmm`
`03:00.36`	`sylvanaar`	`Dekuna: eh, waht do you mean`
`03:00.42`	`sylvanaar`	`channel macros ?`
`03:01.34`	`CIA-17`	`03grennon 07Postal_Express * r24152 10Postal/Postal_Express.lua: Postal: Postal_Express now features SpeedMail, if you alt-click and item with a sender filled it, it attaches and sends, yay`
`03:01.46`	`grennon`	`thaddius down, got time to test :-)`
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`03:03.27`	`Dekuna`	`sylvanaar: I use a macro to spam trade with my enchanting stuff, the macro just reads "/2 <text>"`
`03:03.36`	`Dekuna`	`it doesn't work as of this morning`
`03:03.56`	`Dekuna`	`but copypasting the text into the editbox works fine`
`03:04.04`	`sylvanaar`	`yeah, some code got left in`
`03:04.45`	`xlvii`	`<PROTECTED>`
`03:04.55`	`Dekuna`	`cool, just wanted to make sure blizzard didn't screw with chat macro spamming or something :P`
`03:05.01`	`xlvii`	`I'm Horde`
`03:05.02`	`Dekuna`	`thanks`
`03:05.12`	`sylvanaar`	`just wait, and you can verify the fix`
`03:05.17`	`Dekuna`	`okay, cool`
`03:05.47`	`Antiar3`	`Is there a known issue with BT3 not showing keybindings?`
`03:06.44`	`Dekuna`	`Antiar3: remap them in the keybinding interface and they will show up`
`03:06.59`	`Dekuna`	`personally, i like not looking at them, haha`
`03:07.58`	`Antiar3`	`Yikes, the default bindings don't have any effect?`
`03:08.40`	`Thorgard`	`Heh, first hit for 'lua regular expression' in Google is a WoWWiki page.`
`03:09.12`	ag`	`it's all the lua noobs playing wow`
`03:09.18`	ag`	`gives it a high score`
`03:09.38`	`Dekuna`	`haha`
`03:10.13`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`could also be because lua doesnt follow standard pcre's :P`
`03:11.03`	`Antiar3`	`Well, there aren't really regexes in lua`
`03:11.06`	`Antiar3`	`Just lua patterns`
`03:11.15`	`CIA-17`	`03sylvanaar * r24153 10Prat/ (5 files in 2 dirs): Prat: Fixes from this am. i didnt commit`
`03:11.18`	`Antiar3`	`WTB [PCRE] PST.`
`03:12.23`	`CIA-17`	`03beerke * r24154 10PeriodicTable-2.0/PeriodicTable-2.0/PeriodicTable-2.0.lua:`
`03:12.23`	`CIA-17`	`PeriodicTable-2.0`
`03:12.24`	`CIA-17`	`Added Lobster Stew 13933 to Food - Fish`
`03:12.24`	`CIA-17`	`Moved Darkclaw Lobster 13888 from Food - Fish to Food - Fish Raw`
`03:13.39`	`Unrealii`	`aguf : name = L["widthstring"], acelocale error`
`03:14.19`	`CIA-17`	`03antiarc * r24155 10Bartender3_AutoBindings/Bartender3_AutoBindings.lua: Bartender3_AutoBindings: Removed debug text.`
`03:14.57`	`Unrealii`	`add locals plz :)`
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`03:18.50`	`break19`	`this is weird.. I cant pick up stuff from my bags and put them in my bank :/`
`03:18.53`	`DrZoot`	`does anyone know if healthstones and mana gems share the same CD ?`
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`03:21.38`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`according to thottbot, yes.`
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`03:26.38`	`Soulless`	`<Harro\|Ryan> http://www.gamingoutloud.com/?p=25`
`03:26.38`	`Soulless`	`<Harro\|Ryan> JUST GOTTA TIGHTEN UP THESES GRAPHICS`
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`03:34.31`	`DrZoot`	`does anyone else have a pandemic of beggars on their server?`
`03:34.49`	`Thorgard`	`DrZoot, plz 1 g`
`03:34.54`	`DrZoot`	`.....`
`03:34.56`	`DrZoot`	`:P`
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`03:35.02`	`Dekuna`	`sylvanaar: works fine now`
`03:35.44`	`DrZoot`	`We even have mail scams on frostmourne now, people will send you useless gifts via COD`
`03:36.10`	`CIA-17`	`03gamefaq * r24156 10ag_UnitFrames/locales/ag_UnitFrames-deDE.lua: ag_UnitFrames: Updated deDE Translation`
`03:36.52`	`CIA-17`	`03gamefaq * r24157 10Baggins/Baggins-deDE.lua: Baggins: Updated deDE Translation`
`03:36.55`	`Thorgard`	`Is there an easy way to get a = "1+2*3-(2+1)" to a = 4?`
`03:37.36`	`Antiarc\|Home`	`eh?`
`03:38.06`	`toffie`	`hey guys.. I'm wondering if there's a script like the wowreader and similar that saves the name also together with the item number when I receive loot or buy anything and such.. why I want this is because I'm planning on making an own site that logs everything I, and only myself, has looted.. but the wowreader as it is isnt that useful with only the numbers =P it would take too much time for me to lookup all the items on another site fir`
`03:38.13`	`CIA-17`	`03antiarc * r24158 10Bartender3_AutoBindings/Bartender3_AutoBindings.lua: Bartender3_AutoBindings: Added copyright notice as required for the code copied from the B3 codebase.`
`03:39.21`	`CIA-17`	`03ag * r24159 10ag_UnitFrames/ag_UnitClass.lua:`
`03:39.21`	`CIA-17`	`ag_UnitFrames`
`03:39.21`	`CIA-17`	`<PROTECTED>`
`03:40.16`	ag`	`thanks Gamefaq\|afk :)`
`03:40.27`	`Thorgard`	`toffie, my guess is 'no'.`
`03:40.29`	`Gamefaq\|afk`	`np :)`
`03:41.13`	`toffie`	`hmm.. but it must be simple.. like just changing something in the wowreader to get the name of the item too? =/`
`03:41.59`	`sylvanaar`	`i need a nice long av so i can test server names`
`03:42.13`	`Gamefaq\|afk`	`long av?`
`03:42.21`	`Gamefaq\|afk`	`well good luck...`
`03:42.24`	`sylvanaar`	`yeah`
`03:42.25`	`Thorgard`	`A.. gasp turtle.`
`03:42.39`	`sylvanaar`	`i will defend SH`
`03:42.43`	`Gamefaq\|afk`	`here are av takes around ~10 min`
`03:42.46`	`DrZoot`	`damn it, watching cooldowns is harder than it looks`
`03:43.09`	`Thorgard`	`sylvanaar, let the first wave pass SH, then re-take it behind the Horde offense. ;P`
`03:43.31`	`CIA-17`	`03sayclub * r24160 10GridStatusHots/GridStatusHots.lua:`
`03:43.31`	`CIA-17`	`GridStatusHots :`
`03:43.31`	`CIA-17`	`- more Localization (Menu list locals)`
`03:43.31`	`CIA-17`	`- Update locals koKR`
`03:44.00`	`toffie`	`Thorgard and you others.. but you understand what I meant right?`
`03:44.04`	`Thorgard`	`Antiarc\|Home, yeah, I was wondering if there's a simple way to calculate the value of the string a ("1+2*3-(2+1)").`
`03:44.37`	`Thorgard`	`toffie, yeah, I think so. Not using WoWReader, though, so I dunno how it grabs stuff. ;P`
`03:44.47`	`Quetzi`	`toffie, might be worth taking a look at wow itemstats, you only need the item id to get a link: http://itemstats.free.fr/news.php`
`03:45.07`	`toffie`	`Thorgard I can put up a wowreader file so you can have a look at it if you want?`
`03:45.18`	`toffie`	`Quetzi, will have a look at it`
`03:45.32`	`Antiarc\|Home`	`Ahh, a string. Hm. Not likely.`
`03:45.38`	`Antiarc\|Home`	`You'll probably have to parse it.`
`03:45.38`	`toffie`	`oh man.. you think I'm french? =P`
`03:45.46`	`Quetzi`	`can select the language ;)`
`03:45.54`	`toffie`	`ooh =D`
`03:47.45`	`toffie`	`Thorgard here's the output file from Wowreader http://www.swemod.com/Wr2.txt`
`03:53.25`	`toffie`	`and now everyone ignored me? =P`
`03:54.57`	`Thorgard`	`toffie, you could just write something to go through the WowReader list of itemlinks and check them against say Allakhazam's item database.`
`03:55.19`	`Thorgard`	`They're offering the item info as XML, http://wow.allakhazam.com/dev/wow/item-xml.pl?witem=2100`
`03:55.58`	`toffie`	`oh.. thats nice =\| thank you thorgard! =)`
`03:56.07`	`toffie`	`I think I'll be able to work something out =)`
`03:56.28`	`Thorgard`	`Cool, lycka till.`
`03:56.32`	`toffie`	`haha =P`
`03:56.37`	`toffie`	`tack d� ;)`
`03:56.44`	`Thorgard`	`Jajjekurt.`
`03:56.53`	`toffie`	`haha huh? =P`
`03:58.06`	`Thorgard`	`No idea.`
`03:58.27`	`toffie`	`haha ok =P`
`03:58.39`	`toffie`	`well take care and have a nice mornin ;)`
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`03:59.57`	rave`1HP	`i need some help with my bars`
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`04:03.38`	rave`1HP	`who do i ask for help`
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`04:04.33`	`Thorgard`	`Try the channel.`
`04:04.47`	rave`1HP	`well i just started using the bartender for ace`
`04:04.56`	rave`1HP	`im having trouble switching my bars`
`04:05.29`	rave`1HP	`when i want to get from bar 1 to 2 i dont understand how i try shift+2 but it does not work`
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`04:05.57`	`vinaur`	`is there a function by default to return a ##g##s##c or something like that when passed a copper amount?`
`04:06.11`	`toffie`	`just forgot =P where did u find that search page Thorgard?`
`04:07.28`	`Thorgard`	`toffie, just did a search at wow.allakhazam.com for some random item, then there's a 'XML' link below the item info. ;)`
`04:07.41`	rave`1HP	`thorgard what about my question`
`04:07.45`	`Thorgard`	`http://wow.allakhazam.com/dev/wow/item-xml.pl?witem=ITEMLINKGOESHERE`
`04:08.07`	`CIA-17`	`03arjuna * r24161 10simpleMinimap/ (8 files in 2 dirs):`
`04:08.07`	`CIA-17`	`simpleMinimap:`
`04:08.07`	`CIA-17`	`- HUGE rewrite on internals.`
`04:08.07`	`CIA-17`	`- more liberal usage of localized variables`
`04:08.08`	`CIA-17`	`- Blizz UI methods are no longer locked by default`
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`04:08.11`	`toffie`	`yeah I understood the xml page.. but I havent thought about the xml link on the normal pages =P`
`04:08.21`	`Thorgard`	rave`1HP, no idea, not using Bartender3. Bet there's an option for every bar to enable paging, though, you might have to enable it.
`04:08.46`	rave`1HP	`oh ok`
`04:13.22`	`CIA-17`	`03arjuna * r24162 10simpleMinimap/simpleMinimap.lua:`
`04:13.22`	`CIA-17`	`simpleMinimap:`
`04:13.22`	`CIA-17`	`- typo in the minimap dragger`
`04:14.33`	`CIA-17`	`03gamefaq * r24163 10Prat/modules/Timestamps.lua: Prat: Updated Timestamps deDE Local`
`04:14.47`	`CIA-17`	`03grennon 07PostalLib * r24164 10Postal/PostalLib-1.0.lua: Postal: postallib: fix bug with skipping mails`
`04:15.44`	rave`1HP	`there it shows something`
`04:15.46`	rave`1HP	`for enable paging`
`04:15.52`	rave`1HP	`but whenever i click and hold down shift 1`
`04:15.56`	rave`1HP	`it does not do nething`
`04:15.58`	rave`1HP	`but just do it on my first bar`
`04:19.03`	`Thorgard`	`Man.. http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xunvo_this-is-why-11-year-olds-dont-raid`
`04:20.55`	`CIA-17`	`03curney * r24165 10Prat/modules/ (8 files):`
`04:20.55`	`CIA-17`	`Prat:`
`04:20.55`	`CIA-17`	`- added support for future .consoleName & .guiName values (these are not supported by prat.lua yet)`
`04:20.55`	`CIA-17`	`- applied Prat templates when possible for building menus (streamlines menu code)`
`04:20.55`	`CIA-17`	`- streamlined menus (goal is user friendly)`
`04:20.56`	`CIA-17`	`- added many comments (this may never be totally done)`
`04:20.59`	`CIA-17`	`- organized modules to have consistent code structure (hopefully to simply maintenance as we go)`
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`04:23.44`	`CIA-17`	`03sylvanaar * r24166 10Prat/ (Prat.lua modules/PlayerNames.lua): Prat: support servername types when GloryLib is loaded`
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`04:24.27`	`ckknight`	`hey all`
`04:25.03`	`Dekuna`	`ey ckk`
`04:25.30`	`Dekuna`	`is Postal on the SVN yet?`
`04:28.53`	`syeren`	`sylvanaar.`
`04:28.59`	`syeren`	`Ermmm.`
`04:29.12`	`syeren`	`In P{rat on the latest Rev (not this current one you just put up.)`
`04:29.26`	`syeren`	`Everyone not from my home server is from "Seomeserver."`
`04:29.29`	`CIA-17`	`03grennon * r24167 10AltClickToAddItem/ (. AltClickToAddItem.toc): AltClickToAddItem: -fix aceevent external`
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`04:30.01`	`syeren`	`*"SeomeServer."`
`04:32.31`	`grennon`	`alright, so a few of these postal mods are ready, some arent, recommendation for best method of moving the working parts to trunk for people to play with?`
`04:32.38`	`vinaur`	`anyone has any experience with Titan Panel buttons?`
`04:33.21`	`grennon`	`im an svn nub as well as a lua nub`
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`04:33.50`	`Sole`	`yo`
`04:33.50`	`grennon`	`i had assumed i could just export my mod, delete the folders that arent ready, and check that into trunk`
`04:33.55`	`Sole`	`~seen Elkano`
`04:34.13`	`purl`	`elkano <n=elkano@ip-213-135-2-178.handshake.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 7h 37m 45s ago, saying: 'also it shows (4) dungeon but all dungeons are (0)'.`
`04:35.03`	`Fisker-`	`grennon you could do like Prat`
`04:35.12`	`Fisker-`	`They have module colouring based on functioning modules`
`04:35.19`	`Fisker-`	`Although you probably don't have a fubar module`
`04:35.19`	`Fisker-`	`:O`
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`04:36.42`	`grennon`	`im not even using the modulesystem yet`
`04:40.20`	`KarlThePagan`	`I probably should have`
`04:40.25`	`grennon`	`and i managed to break the openall mod as i was prepping it for trunk`
`04:40.25`	`KarlThePagan`	`I will need to very soon`
`04:40.29`	`grennon`	`http://ace.pastey.net/4776`
`04:40.41`	`grennon`	`as soon as i click the button, it tells me "Button" is nil`
`04:40.43`	`KarlThePagan`	`but I think I'm finally stable`
`04:40.48`	`Kaelten`	`grennon: looks like good work on postal sof ar :)`
`04:41.01`	`grennon`	`i probably forgot something retarded like this.owner or something`
`04:41.26`	`CIA-17`	`03eternally777 * r24168 10SacredBuff/ (SacredBuff.lua UI.lua):`
`04:41.27`	`CIA-17`	`SacredBuff:`
`04:41.27`	`CIA-17`	`* Minor adjustments to the way button usability is calculated`
`04:41.27`	`CIA-17`	`* A few corrections to the structure of the code`
`04:43.43`	`Sole`	`whats your guys editor of choice?`
`04:43.47`	`Codayus`	`emacs`
`04:43.52`	`Nomad_Wanderer`	`sed`
`04:43.56`	`Sole`	`I used ot use EditPlus2 but Im lookin for something a bit more simple`
`04:44.01`	`grennon`	`vim for windows`
`04:44.05`	`Sole`	`and just striaght up funky`
`04:44.10`	`Codayus`	`Sole: Hmm, emacs may not be the best option for you then...`
`04:44.11`	`Codayus`	`:-)`
`04:44.22`	`Nomad_Wanderer`	`scite is good when I'm not up to par with sed :p`
`04:44.24`	`Toadkiller`	`I use ultraedit`
`04:45.54`	`grennon`	`Kaelten: i do the best i can for a nub`
`04:45.54`	`syeren`	`BLahName-SeomeServer`
`04:45.54`	`syeren`	`PRAT NEEDS FIXING!`
`04:46.07`	`grennon`	`Kaelten: a nub who still doesnt understand self. apparently :-)`
`04:46.20`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`bbedit ftw :)`
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`04:48.21`	`KarlThePagan`	`~seen Elkano`
`04:48.42`	`purl`	`elkano <n=elkano@ip-213-135-2-178.handshake.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 7h 52m 14s ago, saying: 'also it shows (4) dungeon but all dungeons are (0)'.`
`04:51.24`	`CIA-17`	`03gamefaq * r24169 10Prat/modules/ (ChannelColorMemory.lua ChannelSticky.lua ChatFrames.lua): Prat: Updated deDE Locals`
`04:51.45`	`Sole`	`man`
`04:51.52`	`Sole`	`all these editors are missing one SIMPLE thing`
`04:51.56`	`Sole`	`a fucking screenshot of how it looks`
`04:52.01`	`Sole`	`is that so hard to do?`
`04:52.11`	`CIA-17`	`03eternally777 * r24170 10FuBar_EPMeterFu/:`
`04:52.11`	`CIA-17`	`FuBar_EPMeterFu:`
`04:52.12`	`CIA-17`	`* Project abandoned. /salute, I learned much from you.`
`04:52.26`	`Sole`	`lol`
`04:52.35`	`CIA-17`	`03eternally777 * r24171 10EPMeter/:`
`04:52.35`	`CIA-17`	`EPMeter:`
`04:52.35`	`CIA-17`	`* Project abandoned.`
`04:57.40`	`vinaur`	`hmm, what does epmeter do? anyone know?`
`04:58.21`	`Eternally777`	`It was going to be an Ace2 DamageMeters/SW_Stats.`
`04:58.53`	`vinaur`	`why did you drop it?`
`04:58.56`	`Eternally777`	`One of the first projects I undertook.`
`04:59.05`	`Eternally777`	`I haven't updated it in many moons.`
`04:59.44`	`Fisker-`	`did you update it during suns then?`
`04:59.50`	`Eternally777`	`:-P`
`05:01.16`	`CIA-17`	`03karlthepagan 07Karl * r24172 10GrouperLFG/GrouperLFG/ (GrouperAce.lua GrouperCore.lua GrouperLFG.toc libs/):`
`05:01.16`	`CIA-17`	`GrouperLFG:`
`05:01.16`	`CIA-17`	`<PROTECTED>`
`05:01.16`	`CIA-17`	`<PROTECTED>`
`05:01.16`	`CIA-17`	`<PROTECTED>`
`05:01.16`	`CIA-17`	`<PROTECTED>`
`05:01.54`	`Fisker-`	`aww`
`05:02.00`	`Fisker-`	`Just hoped for an addon named Karl`
`05:02.02`	`Fisker-`	`would've been nice`
`05:02.24`	`KarlThePagan`	`it's a branch ;)`
`05:02.55`	`KarlThePagan`	`if Elkano comes back I'd be interested if he wants to try the new code`
`05:04.34`	`vinaur`	`if anyone has any experience with titan panel buttons, please tell me why no icon or text is showing up...http://ace.pastey.net/4777`
`05:04.40`	`CIA-17`	`03nargiddley * r24173 10Baggins/ (Baggins-enUS.lua Baggins.lua): Baggins: Added option to highlight new items`
`05:04.54`	`KarlThePagan`	`i gave up writing plugins for titan`
`05:05.01`	`KarlThePagan`	`I'd guess most people here don't use it`
`05:05.13`	`vinaur`	`i figured...but maybe`
`05:07.27`	`haste`	`I've never written a titan plugin, neither have I written a fubar one :3`
`05:07.37`	`CIA-17`	`03grennon * r24174 10/branches/Postal/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Postal: Added Fit/Finish to make OpenAll trunk ready`
`05:13.49`	`CIA-17`	`03curney * r24175 10Prat/modules/ (AddonMessages.lua ChatLink.lua ChatLog.lua ChatTabs.lua): Prat: same as last time only for different files. will need to take a closer look at chattabs to work in use of templates to build the menu options.`
`05:19.26`	`pastamancer`	`Saroz: added for name, unitid in CastCommLib:IterateGroupMembers(name)`
`05:26.24`	`CIA-17`	`03ricowan * r24176 10FuBar_PetFu/ (FuBar_PetFu.toc PetFu.lua): FuBar_PetFu: - Added warlock pet support`
`05:28.12`	`CIA-17`	`03gamefaq * r24177 10simpleMinimap/localizations.lua:`
`05:28.12`	`CIA-17`	`simpleMinimap:`
`05:28.12`	`CIA-17`	`- Changed localizations.lua Format to real UTF-8`
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`05:28.24`	`cynyr`	`is the write of hemlock on?`
`05:28.53`	`cynyr`	`s/write/writer/g`
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`05:29.16`	`sylvanaar`	`people need to lear ettiquitte`
`05:29.21`	`sylvanaar`	`and to spell`
`05:29.49`	`cynyr`	`sylvanaar: missing an r isn't spelling it's a typo and how else am i susposted to know?`
`05:30.09`	`Worry`	`Hey quick question, anyone know of a way to fix the combat log disappearing ?`
`05:31.04`	`cynyr`	`sylvanaar: and you missed a 'n'`
`05:31.22`	`CIA-17`	`03sylvanaar * r24178 10Prat/modules/PlayerNames.lua: Prat: Added server name to everything so xserver people can get class coloring etc.`
`05:34.11`	`sylvanaar`	`i wa refeing to myself`
`05:34.32`	`sylvanaar`	`i was refering to myself on the spelling`
`05:34.40`	`cynyr`	`sylvanaar: ohh nm then`
`05:35.32`	`sylvanaar`	`and someone else for the other part`
`05:37.01`	`CIA-17`	`03bima * r24179 10Rummage/ (README.txt Rummage-enUS.lua Rummage.lua): Rummage: check that item.Item != nil when attempting to descend into a mailbox item`
`05:41.04`	`CIA-17`	`03sylvanaar * r24180 10Prat/ (Prat.lua PratFu.lua): Prat: made autoupdating in the debugger toggleable, and added a split for language tags [Orcish] = gG LANGUAGE Gg = "[" "Orcish" "] "`
`05:41.25`	`CIA-17`	`03next96 * r24181 10ag_UnitFrames/locales/ag_UnitFrames-koKR.lua:`
`05:41.25`	`CIA-17`	`ag_UnitFrames :`
`05:41.25`	`CIA-17`	`- Update locale koKR`
`05:41.33`	`KarlThePagan`	`ckknight, ping`
`05:42.12`	`KarlThePagan`	`in Tourist perhaps the zone "Caverns of Time" should be eliminated`
`05:42.20`	`KarlThePagan`	`or marked as some non-zone category`
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`05:42.38`	`KarlThePagan`	`transport or perhaps a new non-zoneorinstance category`
`05:43.24`	`InterSlayer`	`Anyone know how to serialize/deserialize aceoo objects? :P`
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`05:45.00`	`KarlThePagan`	`use AceComm maybe?`
`05:45.13`	`KarlThePagan`	`unless you mean putting in saved variables?`
`05:45.21`	`InterSlayer`	`Trying to send an AceOO object with AceComm`
`05:45.31`	`InterSlayer`	`then it says I need to have a Serialize/Deserialize function`
`05:46.25`	`KarlThePagan`	`i think that means you need to define methods to turn your objects into bytes and vice-versa`
`05:46.30`	`CIA-17`	`03sylvanaar * r24182 10Prat/Prat.lua: Prat: There was language already in there. took out extra copy for now`
`05:46.34`	`KarlThePagan`	`but I haven't worked with that yet`
`05:46.42`	`InterSlayer`	`ah. hmm`
`05:52.32`	`CIA-17`	`03gamefaq * r24183 10Baggins/Baggins-deDE.lua: Baggins: Updated deDE Translation`
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`06:00.40`	`ckknight`	`InterSlayer: actually, you don't need to manually turn into bytes, just return a list of arguments`
`06:00.48`	`ckknight`	`which represent your object`
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`06:00.58`	`ckknight`	`then in :Deserialize(...), you take in those same arguments`
`06:04.39`	`CIA-17`	`03sylvanaar * r24184 10Prat/Prat.lua: Prat: utility function to clear an info-item from the split chat. it removes that item + its separators`
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`06:15.57`	`ckknight`	`anyone know a freenode admin's name?`
`06:16.12`	`[Cu]Werik`	`/admin`
`06:16.13`	`[Cu]Werik`	`:)`
`06:16.47`	`ckknight`	`doesn't seem to do anything for me.`
`06:16.54`	`[Cu]Werik`	`ok`
`06:16.59`	`[Cu]Werik`	`nalioth (i=nalioth@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.nalioth)`
`06:17.00`	`[Cu]Werik`	`:)`
`06:17.14`	`ckknight`	`thank you`
`06:18.51`	`sergio`	`just /stats p when you need staff`
`06:20.07`	`ckknight`	`now let's hope for a response`
`06:20.30`	`[Cu]Werik`	`just spam whois on him, they can see it:)`
`06:20.39`	`[Cu]Werik`	`they will love you`
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`06:24.31`	`Kaelten`	`thanks ck :)`
`06:24.40`	`ckknight`	`hooray!`
`06:24.49`	`ckknight`	`I have saved Kaelten from the Twisted Nether!`
`06:25.01`	`Kaelten`	`lol`
`06:25.08`	`Kaelten`	`thats what I get for playing with a squid`
`06:25.21`	`Kaelten`	`damned tentacle monsters`
`06:26.54`	`CIA-17`	`03sylvanaar * r24185 10Prat/Prat.lua: Prat: cleaned up taint monitor logic to prevent the loadup spam`
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`06:30.05`	`sylvanaar`	`KarlThePagan: Elkano always leaves once you code bugfixes for him`
`06:30.38`	`KarlThePagan`	`lawl`
`06:31.08`	`KarlThePagan`	`actually the fixes were for me`
`06:31.32`	`CIA-17`	`03sylvanaar * r24186 10Prat/modules/PlayerNames.lua: Prat: typo`
`06:31.35`	`KarlThePagan`	`ckknight, any thoughts about a new zone class in Tourist for zones which aren't actual zones (like Caverns of Time)`
`06:31.51`	`ckknight`	`don't know, honestly.`
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`06:32.37`	`KarlThePagan`	`well the problem with the way it is now is that 1) "Caverns of Time" will never show up as a "Zone" as the LFG category and 2) ZONE_CHANGED_NEW_AREA doesn't fire on entering it`
`06:32.41`	`KarlThePagan`	`as it's not an actual area`
`06:32.52`	`ckknight`	`oh`
`06:32.52`	`ckknight`	`hrm`
`06:33.07`	`KarlThePagan`	`in terms of the core logic it actually behaves the same as a Transport area`
`06:33.21`	`ckknight`	`will GetRealZoneText() ever equal "Caverns of Time"?`
`06:33.21`	`KarlThePagan`	`so IsZoneOrInstance would return false`
`06:33.29`	`KarlThePagan`	`no it says "Tanaris"`
`06:33.33`	`ckknight`	`oh`
`06:33.39`	`KarlThePagan`	`I tested when I discovered it ;)`
`06:33.44`	`ckknight`	`either remove it or make it transport-like`
`06:34.07`	`KarlThePagan`	`I think I prefer making transport like sounds good`
`06:34.25`	`KarlThePagan`	`perhaps... "Subzone"`
`06:34.43`	`Fisker-`	`It sucks that CoT - Old Hillsbrad still isn't called like the original hillsbrad :D`
`06:34.52`	`KarlThePagan`	`heh`
`06:35.59`	`KarlThePagan`	`actually I might just remove it, but I won't get to that tonight ;)`
`06:36.14`	`sylvanaar`	`wtb an author to write Servernames module for Prat`
`06:36.17`	`KarlThePagan`	`the subzone thing could apply to things like gates of AQ, scarlet monestary etc`
`06:37.34`	`sylvanaar`	`subzones can be useful for chat too`
`06:37.46`	`sylvanaar`	`can they be abbreviated?`
`06:38.09`	`sylvanaar`	`[player: Mine} inc`
`06:38.38`	`sylvanaar`	`catch my meaning?`
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`06:39.20`	`kebinusan`	`yeah it'd be nice to see if the jackasses calling for more D in av are the ones pushing on o so I dont need to check my map before calling them out`
`06:39.27`	`sylvanaar`	`yeah`
`06:39.35`	`kebinusan`	`heh`
`06:39.52`	`sylvanaar`	`want to write a prat module?`
`06:39.54`	`kebinusan`	`hmm to preorder tbc or go to a store at a midnight release and pick it up`
`06:40.38`	`sergio`	`both?`
`06:41.14`	`kebinusan`	`I dunno that seems excessive`
`06:43.09`	`KarlThePagan`	`preorder imo`
`06:43.30`	`KarlThePagan`	`today is the last day to order from blizz tho`
`06:43.35`	`KarlThePagan`	`to make the 16th`
`06:44.14`	`markv_`	`i'm just gona go to the store at midnight, it's like 5 minutes from my house`
`06:48.40`	`Yinchie`	`addicts`
`06:48.52`	`Yinchie`	`bet there are even ppl sleeping outside ;p`
`06:55.29`	`CIA-17`	`03fenlis * r24187 10Prat/ (10 files in 2 dirs): Prat: Updated localization koKR`
`06:56.52`	`grennon`	`you already have expansion, your just buying a key to upgrade your account to a BC account`
`06:57.22`	`grennon`	`sadly`
`06:57.22`	`InterSlayer`	`isn't blizz sold out?`
`06:58.47`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Blizzard's store is sold out, yes`
`06:59.18`	`InterSlayer`	`Anyone know how to register an AceOO class into Acelibrary? :P`
`07:01.59`	`Fisker-`	`grennon not totally :P`
`07:02.10`	`Fisker-`	`You still need the expansion content from the TBC discs`
`07:02.34`	`InterSlayer`	`Like the movie!`
`07:04.49`	`CIA-17`	`03bima * r24188 10Postman/ (Postman.lua localization.lua): Postman: doublecheck that the message has no item or money before attempting to delete`
`07:05.14`	`InterSlayer`	`Hello, Sorren.`
`07:05.21`	`SP\|Sorren`	`Hello, InterSlayer.`
`07:05.27`	`InterSlayer`	`Die.`
`07:05.29`	`Codayus`	`Yay, our MT just got his 2nd binding. ...okay, so it would have been cooler a few months ago, but still....`
`07:05.35`	`CIA-17`	`03fenlis * r24189 10simpleMinimap/ (localizations.lua modules/compass.lua modules/coords.lua):`
`07:05.35`	`CIA-17`	`simpleMinimap:`
`07:05.35`	`CIA-17`	`- Updated localization koKR`
`07:05.43`	`InterSlayer`	`elementium ore has never been cheaper!`
`07:05.48`	`SP\|Sorren`	`grats Codayus`
`07:07.10`	`Codayus`	`Funny thing is, we were going to BWL, but raid IDs bugged out...half our healers couldn't even zone in. So we gave up and went to MC. :-)`
`07:07.21`	`markv`	`do you know your cyborg name?`
`07:07.42`	`Codayus`	`Wonder how TF will hold up as a tank weapon in TBC....`
`07:08.03`	`markv`	`i just hope they decide to throw in an upgrade quest for it`
`07:08.26`	`Codayus`	`Ya`
`07:08.35`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`If they do, it'll just make people go back to MC at level 70, which is rather silly.`
`07:08.36`	`Codayus`	`THe proc is pretty nice, but the DPS is...um...could be higher.`
`07:09.06`	`grennon`	`whats better, finishing Postal_Select or farming up mats to stroke my epeen on patchwerk?`
`07:09.19`	`markv`	`epeen > all`
`07:09.31`	`markv`	`yeah the 52.3 or whatever it is is kind of weak`
`07:09.34`	`grennon`	`yep, time to go farm up some juju flurries`
`07:09.55`	`markv`	`but the 20% slow and threat generated from it is just so damn hawt`
`07:10.17`	`markv`	`i had some guy try to argue with me the other day because i was MH the TF and OH a HWL blade`
`07:10.21`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`well the proc on TF makes up for a lot of the dps, especially if you can devastate-spam`
`07:10.34`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`especially since it bypasses armor.`
`07:10.43`	`markv`	`yeah that's what makes it so hot`
`07:11.05`	`markv`	`the only time I OH the TF is when the MT doesn't have one, otherwise it's full out all the way`
`07:11.44`	`grennon`	`major rage pots, smoked desert dumplings, blasted lands buff, firewater, juju power, mongoose`
`07:11.59`	`grennon`	`now all i need is some juju flurries, then ill cleanse a songflower and logout`
`07:12.05`	`grennon`	`muhahaha`
`07:13.35`	`grennon`	`oh,and one of each blasted lands buffs agi/str :-)`
`07:13.53`	`markv`	`yeah i wish those stacked still`
`07:14.16`	`grennon`	`at least you can use 2 in case healing goes shortbus on the first attempt`
`07:14.42`	`markv`	`yeah except if the shortbus happens too quickly you're SOL because of the 1 hour cooldown`
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`07:16.00`	`grennon`	`use it when you start the wing`
`07:16.08`	`grennon`	`or about 15 minutes before`
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`07:18.39`	`CIA-17`	`03fenlis * r24190 10ag_UnitFrames/locales/ag_UnitFrames-koKR.lua: ag_UnitFrames : Updated localization koKR`
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`07:20.55`	`PProvost`	`Mod Search: Do we have anything like ZHunterMod?`
`07:22.08`	`CIA-17`	`03kameril * r24191 10BarAnnounce3/ (Core.lua ModulePrototype.lua):`
`07:22.08`	`CIA-17`	`BarAnnounce3:`
`07:22.08`	`CIA-17`	`-added initial LoD support for modules`
`07:22.08`	`CIA-17`	`-fixed a typo in AddLocalCategory`
`07:22.41`	`pastamancer`	`PProvost: in a week or two :( I'm crazy busy`
`07:23.37`	`CIA-17`	`03rophy * r24192 10SimpleUnitFrames/ (9 files):`
`07:23.37`	`CIA-17`	`SimpleUnitFrames:`
`07:23.37`	`CIA-17`	`- Removed standby option in Core.`
`07:23.37`	`CIA-17`	`- Create Frames/FontStings in Lua, removed XML files.`
`07:23.37`	`CIA-17`	`- Added ToTFrame HP/MP Text.`
`07:23.53`	`PProvost`	`pastamancer, I assume you are answering my forum post and not my zHunterMod question. :)`
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`07:24.29`	`pastamancer`	`PProvost: yeah, I know jack shit about hunters`
`07:25.04`	`pastamancer`	`PProvost: if you're perl-inclined, I could toss you the files script. It can be run from anywhere that has svn`
`07:26.55`	`ckknight`	`why is beta PvE US missing?`
`07:27.16`	`pastamancer`	`joshborke said something earlier about them testing a "Server split"`
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`07:27.52`	`alteisen`	`yo`
`07:28.01`	`alteisen`	`what was in the new ag_unitframes`
`07:29.37`	`ckknight`	`aw, PvP is down, too`
`07:31.00`	`InterSlayer`	`They're doing the server split`
`07:31.03`	`PProvost`	`pastamancer, perl's purpose was to show modern languages what not to do.`
`07:31.07`	`PProvost`	`:D`
`07:31.10`	`InterSlayer`	`Blades Edge is probably just dead like it always is.`
`07:31.30`	`pastamancer`	`PProvost: and it does all sorts of things that modern languages shouldn't do!`
`07:31.34`	`PProvost`	`haha`
`07:31.36`	`PProvost`	`Yeah`
`07:31.37`	`kebinusan`	`hmm anyone getting errors from simpleminimap today?`
`07:31.43`	`PProvost`	`Sounds kinda like C`
`07:31.56`	`pastamancer`	`I sysadmin for a living. It's perl-town.`
`07:32.44`	`pastamancer`	`and despite using primarialy perl at work, I'm still able to write legible programs in other languages :p`
`07:33.35`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`I dunno why Blade's Edge is down, but they're testing the server split on Hellfire.`
`07:33.49`	`Arrowmaster`	`server split?`
`07:33.58`	`kebinusan`	`yeah`
`07:34.52`	`kebinusan`	4\modules\autozoom.lua:29: AceDB-2.0: Cannot call `AcquireDBNamespace' before `RegisterDB' has been called.
`07:35.05`	`kebinusan`	`a bunch of the modules doing that`
`07:35.24`	`pastamancer`	`well, they shouldn't be doing that!`
`07:35.48`	`ckknight`	`:RegisterDB should be called in the root of the file...`
`07:35.59`	`InterSlayer`	`Server split where they force people to move one way or another, or have a way to get rid of low pop, dieing servers.`
`07:36.31`	`sylvanaar`	`someone please read the prat forum, and tell me if my instructions on the last page are clear`
`07:37.43`	`sylvanaar`	`http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=4005.0`
`07:37.48`	`nazrm`	`pretty clear :p`
`07:38.02`	`sylvanaar`	`i still want to be able to moderate it`
`07:38.17`	`Soulless`	`you cannot destroy a frame can you?`
`07:38.35`	`ckknight`	`no`
`07:38.35`	`pastamancer`	`Soulless: correct`
`07:39.13`	`Soulless`	`how do you 'delete' them unregister all events and Hide()?`
`07:40.32`	`inph`	`sylvanaar, i would edit that into the first post as well :)`
`07:41.02`	`pastamancer`	`Soulless: something like that`
`07:41.25`	`CIA-17`	`03fatherjim * r24193 10loudmouth/ (5 files): (log message trimmed)`
`07:41.25`	`CIA-17`	`loudmouth:`
`07:41.25`	`CIA-17`	`- Further updates - 0.8rc2`
`07:41.25`	`CIA-17`	`-LUA- Fixed logic where the list box highlight was not hidden if a quote was deleted.`
`07:41.25`	`CIA-17`	`-XML- Added LMEditFrame with options for a selected quote`
`07:41.25`	`CIA-17`	`-LUA- Added functions to modify the LMEditFrame`
`07:41.27`	`CIA-17`	`-LUA- Added code to transmit current quote on any channel.`
`07:42.48`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`So, with not quite half a day of the 3 new child boards on the forums, anyone have any opinions on how they're working?`
`07:43.30`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`sylvanaar: were it in my power to let you moderate a specific thread, I'd do so in an instant.`
`07:44.00`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`I'm still somewhat unfamiliar with SMF, but I don't think it has that functionality. Nor have I looked into mods for it yet.`
`07:44.03`	`Neebler`	`http://blog.wired.com/tableofmalcontents/2006/10/less_than_three.html`
`07:44.07`	`Neebler`	`MEET ME HERE ON IRC LOLOLOL`
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`07:46.23`	`CIA-17`	`03nargiddley * r24194 10Baggins/Baggins.lua: Baggins: fix error when creating item buttons`
`07:48.09`	`CIA-17`	`03sylvanaar * r24195 10Prat/Prat.lua:`
`07:48.09`	`CIA-17`	`Prat: Fix #15 Prat.lua:428: bad argument #1 to 'concat' (table contains`
`07:48.09`	`CIA-17`	`non-strings)`
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`07:50.08`	`sylvanaar`	`ZealotOnAStick: im not complaining`
`07:50.40`	`sylvanaar`	`inph what do you mean`
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`07:52.41`	`vinaur`	`~seen wmrojer`
`07:53.03`	`purl`	`i haven't seen 'wmrojer', vinaur`
`07:55.17`	`vinaur`	`wmrojer is like unreachable...no email anywhere and he hasn't updated his mods since like mid December or pre-2.0. doesn't seem to respond to wowinterfce comments either :-(`
`07:56.31`	`CIA-17`	`03sylvanaar * r24196 10Prat/modules/ChatFrames.lua: Prat: Fix for #20, default value for Force Main Chat Frame On Load was missing`
`07:59.08`	`Codayus`	`Wow, the elemental flux for the elementium smelting is EXPENSIVE`
`07:59.27`	`InterSlayer`	`Surely your guild bank subsidizes it =p`
`07:59.42`	`Codayus`	`Probably. Nobody had realized just how much it cost.`
`07:59.57`	`Codayus`	`So the deal was, MT covers the arcanite, bank covers cores and elementium.`
`08:00.38`	`InterSlayer`	`hah`
`08:00.45`	`Codayus`	`We hadn't thought through the flux issue, so now we're all in silithus, and the MT has 15g on him.`
`08:00.54`	`InterSlayer`	`lol`
`08:01.04`	`Codayus`	`So....yeah. That covers ONE flux. 29 to go?`
`08:01.06`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`lol`
`08:01.31`	`Codayus`	`Srsly, 360g worth of flux. oO`
`08:01.43`	`Arrowmaster`	`pff ive done better pre TF crisis before`
`08:02.12`	`Codayus`	`Yeah? Forgot the essence from Rag? :-)`
`08:03.02`	`Arrowmaster`	`asked the warrior if i could craft one of the bars for him and then i did, then i did /me hearths and started hearthing but my net connecting crashed before i could cancel it so it looked like i hearthed then logged`
`08:03.30`	`Codayus`	`OMG`
`08:03.39`	`Codayus`	`Must have had a heart attack.`
`08:04.01`	`Arrowmaster`	`our mt (not the one getting tf this time) messeged me on xfire and was like "wtf" and i told him what happened while i was logging in and he started rofl`
`08:04.22`	`Arrowmaster`	`so i login and get a summon directly to the spot to summon thunderaan`
`08:04.37`	`Arrowmaster`	`and hand over the bar`
`08:04.38`	`Codayus`	`So, now, our entire guild is like "oh, I'll buy you a couple flux!", and I'm afraid we're going to end up with about twice what we need. sigh`
`08:05.23`	`Arrowmaster`	`then the warrior goes to summon and cant find his essence of the firelord so we get him a port to org, cant find it in his bank either`
`08:05.31`	`Arrowmaster`	`so we had to go clear mc again that night`
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`08:05.56`	`Codayus`	`Oookay, yeah`
`08:05.57`	`Codayus`	`You win`
`08:06.11`	`Tulleus`	`Looking for an experienced AddOn writer, message me`
`08:07.02`	`nazrm`	`hah`
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`08:09.24`	`Elkano`	`WTF? Warrior, Paladin and Hunter downing Onyxia... http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6963150699739071975`
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`08:10.17`	`InterSlayer`	`lawl`
`08:10.46`	`CIA-17`	`03sylvanaar * r24197 10Prat/ (7 files in 6 dirs): Prat: Added issue-bug linking`
`08:13.25`	`InterSlayer`	`what'd they use on the whelps, immolation oil?`
`08:14.01`	`Soulless`	`multishot noob`
`08:14.08`	`nymbia`	`volley! hehe`
`08:14.13`	`Soulless`	`then RAPTORSTRIKE MOTHAFUCKA`
`08:15.03`	`InterSlayer`	`god what sappy music`
`08:15.04`	`InterSlayer`	`lol`
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`08:15.42`	`Dhraga`	`morning all`
`08:15.47`	`InterSlayer`	`Hi.`
`08:16.06`	`Soulless`	`InterSlayer: its sappy b/c it prob took then 50 hours in failed attempts to get it on video`
`08:16.15`	`Soulless`	`and one of them prob died in an internet cafe irl`
`08:16.21`	`Soulless`	`so its more of a tribute to him/her`
`08:16.44`	`InterSlayer`	`How profound.`
`08:17.20`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`heh, they totally abused crytal spires and immolation oil and any other aoe consumable they could for the whelps :P`
`08:17.42`	`Soulless`	`crappy quality i can't see shiz`
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`08:18.06`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Yeah, I'm just guessing based on the visual spell effects.`
`08:18.25`	`Dhraga`	`link to it ?`
`08:18.59`	`CIA-17`	`03sylvanaar * r24198 10Prat/Prat.toc:`
`08:18.59`	`CIA-17`	`Prat: Linked google tracker to the wiki`
`08:18.59`	`CIA-17`	`Issue :`
`08:18.59`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6963150699739071975`
`08:19.26`	`Dhraga`	`thanks`
`08:19.46`	`Elkano`	`NightHawkTheSane, you failed :P`
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`08:20.03`	`Adirelle`	`morning`
`08:20.25`	`Elkano`	`or wait, you didn't ^^`
`08:20.47`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`lol`
`08:20.59`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`I have to wonder how many bullets/arrows that hunter went through.`
`08:22.11`	`Soulless`	`tooooooooo many`
`08:22.44`	`CIA-17`	`03sylvanaar * r24199 10Prat/ (. frames/ libs/ modules/ sounds/ textures/):`
`08:22.44`	`CIA-17`	`Prat: Issue number token missing`
`08:22.44`	`CIA-17`	`Issue : 20`
`08:22.53`	`vinaur`	`did they get netherwind x2?`
`08:23.38`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`nah probably ten storms. :)`
`08:23.42`	`CIA-17`	`03fatherjim * r24200 10loudmouth/loudmouth.toc:`
`08:23.42`	`CIA-17`	`loudmouth:`
`08:23.42`	`CIA-17`	`- Update TOC to link to Curse Gaming Addon Page`
`08:23.45`	`vinaur`	`not that any of them needed any of the ony gear...still funny though`
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`08:25.43`	`Adirelle\|work`	`/msn nickserv help ghost`
`08:25.55`	`Adirelle\|work`	`you didn't see that`
`08:26.43`	`Health`	`theehee`
`08:27.07`	`Health`	`he not only wrote that in channel, but /msn too!`
`08:27.09`	`Health`	`<PROTECTED>`
`08:29.11`	`pastamancer`	`oh man, accidentally attempting to use a non-existant global variable in an OnUpdate handler is fun and exciting`
`08:30.37`	`Adirelle\|work`	`pastamancer : bugsack ! (btw, creating an infinite recursion loop is quite interesting too)`
`08:30.59`	`sylvanaar`	`can you who xserver?`
`08:32.05`	`PProvost`	`Night all`
`08:32.57`	`grzesieq`	`Mikma: wtb changelog ;-)`
`08:33.15`	`sylvanaar`	`debugging a chat addon is also fun and exciting`
`08:33.58`	`sylvanaar`	`self:Debug(e r r o r)`
`08:34.09`	`sylvanaar`	`bye bye`
`08:34.49`	`KarlThePagan`	`Elkano, hey new grouper up :)`
`08:34.54`	`KarlThePagan`	`working on profiles`
`08:35.35`	`Adirelle\|work`	`Nargiddley: if I read Baggins right, item dispatch is cached ?`
`08:35.48`	`Nargiddley`	`item dispatch ?`
`08:36.09`	`Adirelle\|work`	`assigment to categories`
`08:36.13`	`Nargiddley`	`yes`
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`08:37.15`	`Adirelle\|work`	`sometimes items get displayed in more than one section`
`08:37.41`	`Adirelle\|work`	`I think it's normal, but I wonder if an "unduplicate" option could be possible to implement`
`08:37.46`	`Nargiddley`	`thats normal, once per section but can show in more than one`
`08:38.12`	`Nargiddley`	`hmm, would have to decide which category gets priority then`
`08:38.28`	`Adirelle\|work`	`yes`
`08:38.35`	`Adirelle\|work`	`and that's the point`
`08:39.29`	`Nargiddley`	`it would be possible, its already tracking which items have been shown in a section`
`08:39.38`	`Nargiddley`	`for the other rule to work`
`08:40.04`	`Adirelle\|work`	`as assignment is precalculated, is it possible`
`08:40.18`	`Adirelle\|work`	`the point is "how to assign catergory priority"`
`08:40.34`	`Adirelle\|work`	`s/catergory priority"/category priority ?"/`
`08:40.38`	`Nargiddley`	`assignment into categorys is cached, sections being filled with categories isnt`
`08:41.14`	`CIA-17`	`03grennon 07PostalLib * r24201 10Postal/PostalLib-1.0.lua: Postal: ReturnMail fleshed out in PostabLib`
`08:41.28`	`Adirelle\|work`	`you meant that if a category is included in more than one section, its items will be shown in all that sections ?`
`08:41.40`	`Nargiddley`	`easiest way to implement would be first come first served`
`08:41.53`	`Nargiddley`	`first section to include the item gets it`
`08:42.22`	`Nargiddley`	`items are filtered into categories as the items change in bags`
`08:43.00`	`Adirelle\|work`	`but will the scanning order be the same each time ?`
`08:43.00`	`Nargiddley`	`then when the bags the sections are filled from the cache`
`08:43.00`	`KarlThePagan`	`arg... acedb doesn't really work with table.remove and table.insert does it?`
`08:43.02`	`Nargiddley`	`yes, always in the order that the bags are shown`
`08:43.28`	`Adirelle\|work`	`display in the first section of a bag ? that would be the easiest way for sure`
`08:43.38`	`Adirelle\|work`	`it will do a per-bag unduplicate`
`08:44.01`	`Nargiddley`	`i can add the option pretty quickly if you want`
`08:45.11`	`Nargiddley`	`if you look at AppendCategory, its just a check for used[k] in there`
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`08:49.13`	`Elkano`	`KarlThePagan, Bits is a lib, too :p`
`08:49.20`	`Adirelle\|work`	`cache[catname] is the list of items in a given category ?`
`08:49.25`	`Nargiddley`	`yes`
`08:49.42`	`KarlThePagan`	`ah`
`08:49.51`	`Adirelle\|work`	`but cache[catname]["Other"] is a special entry to handle "other" rule`
`08:49.52`	`KarlThePagan`	`Elkano, should I change bits to be load on demand?`
`08:50.10`	`Nargiddley`	`Adirelle\|work, exactly`
`08:50.29`	`Nargiddley`	`since it needs to be run after all the other sections have been filled`
`08:50.29`	`Elkano`	`well, you should at least add it to GrouperLFG's optdeps`
`08:50.49`	`KarlThePagan`	`yea`
`08:50.58`	`KarlThePagan`	`going to commit to trunk`
`08:51.02`	`KarlThePagan`	`changing name to "Grouper"`
`08:51.03`	`Elkano`	`but as a lib setting it to LoD shouldn't mean any harm`
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`08:51.53`	`Adirelle\|work`	`Nargiddley: in other word, if you simply add a "and not used[k]" in Baggins:AppendCategory, it would implement the "first-server" rule`
`08:52.11`	`Nargiddley`	`Adirelle\|work, yes`
`08:52.22`	`Nargiddley`	`and done :D`
`08:52.30`	`CIA-17`	`03karlthepagan 07Karl * r24203 10GrouperLFG/GrouperLFG/ (GrouperAce.lua GrouperCore.lua GrouperLFG.toc):`
`08:52.30`	`CIA-17`	`GrouperLFG:`
`08:52.30`	`CIA-17`	`<PROTECTED>`
`08:52.30`	`CIA-17`	`<PROTECTED>`
`08:52.30`	`CIA-17`	`<PROTECTED>`
`08:52.32`	`CIA-17`	`<PROTECTED>`
`08:52.34`	`CIA-17`	`03nargiddley * r24202 10Baggins/ (Baggins-enUS.lua Baggins.lua): Baggins: Option to hide duplicate items, only shows items in one section/bag when enabled`
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`08:52.49`	`Adirelle\|work`	`notices I think that need to be an option, I'm sure some people are willing to display items in more than one cat :)`
`08:53.07`	`Nargiddley`	`yeah, its an option disabled by default`
`08:53.28`	`Nargiddley`	`since i can imagine people wondering why some rules arent working right heh`
`08:53.59`	`CIA-17`	`03karlthepagan * r24204 10Grouper/:`
`08:53.59`	`CIA-17`	`Grouper:`
`08:53.59`	`CIA-17`	`<PROTECTED>`
`08:54.10`	`Adirelle\|work`	`note that this will have a side effect : if a category is included in two bag and you close one of it, all items would "move" to the still open bag`
`08:55.13`	`Nargiddley`	`if any bag is open, it does the whole process except sending the item list to the bag. same problem would happen to the other rule otherwise`
`08:55.35`	`Nargiddley`	`as you close bags it would gradually get everything`
`08:56.19`	`Adirelle\|work`	`hey... nice then, very good job :D`
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`08:58.08`	`CIA-17`	`03karlthepagan * r24205 10Grouper/ (Grouper.toc GrouperLFG.toc):`
`08:58.08`	`CIA-17`	`Grouper:`
`08:58.08`	`CIA-17`	`<PROTECTED>`
`08:59.04`	`Adirelle\|work`	`I'm wondering if I can find a way to calculate category priority based on rule specifity`
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`08:59.29`	`CIA-17`	`03karlthepagan * r24206 10Grouper/ (Grouper.toc GrouperAce.lua GrouperCore.lua):`
`08:59.29`	`CIA-17`	`Grouper:`
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`08:59.29`	`CIA-17`	`<PROTECTED>`
`08:59.43`	`CIA-17`	`03next96 * r24207 10Cartographer_Treasure/Cartographer_Treasure.lua:`
`08:59.43`	`CIA-17`	`Cartographer_Treasure:`
`08:59.43`	`CIA-17`	`- Update locale koKR`
`08:59.44`	`Adirelle\|work`	`karlthepagan: what does grouper ?`
`08:59.51`	`KarlThePagan`	`looking for group`
`09:00.10`	`KarlThePagan`	`soon automatic lfg`
`09:00.11`	`Adirelle\|work`	`oh... I hoped something to manage raid grouping`
`09:00.20`	`Nargiddley`	`Adirelle\|work, that would be a bigger job to implement. but i can see a way of doing it`
`09:01.22`	`Adirelle\|work`	`Nargiddley: add method to calculate every rule specifity, then handle rule then category combination ?`
`09:01.41`	`Nargiddley`	`Adirelle\|work, not sure on how to decide a categories priority`
`09:02.10`	`Nargiddley`	`but once they have one putting them into a list and sorting based on it before filling them would implement it`
`09:03.30`	`KarlThePagan`	`ah crap`
`09:03.32`	`Adirelle\|work`	`yep... the big point is work out a priority model`
`09:03.40`	`KarlThePagan`	`my rename was not as simple lol`
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`09:04.23`	`CIA-17`	`03next96 * r24208 10Cartographer/Modules/Notes.lua:`
`09:04.23`	`CIA-17`	`Cartographer :`
`09:04.23`	`CIA-17`	`- Update locale koKR`
`09:04.33`	`Tekkub`	`ckknight, you around?`
`09:04.45`	`abbat_w`	`Ufff... holidays ended now ;)`
`09:04.48`	`abbat_w`	`Morning guys`
`09:04.57`	`Adirelle\|work`	`for combination, i think about something like ruleC = ruleA OR ruleB => priorityC = min(priorityA, priorityB) and ruleC = ruleA AND ruleB => priorityC = priorityA + priorityB`
`09:05.00`	`Dhraga`	`morning abbat`
`09:05.27`	`ckknight`	`Tekkub: working on stuff, sorta here`
`09:05.34`	`Adirelle\|work`	`s/(ruleC/catC/`
`09:05.42`	`Adirelle\|work`	`s/ruleC/catC/`
`09:06.06`	`Adirelle\|work`	`but it doesn't address the question of individual rule weights`
`09:06.27`	`Tekkub`	`ckknight, I'm done probing the new GC system, you want my thoughts on how you could tweak it for the people that want improvements?`
`09:06.32`	`Tekkub`	`instead of forcing a full GC, increase the step multiplier OOC`
`09:06.49`	`Tekkub`	`and either turn off GC in combat, or make the multi really low`
`09:07.07`	`CIA-17`	`03karlthepagan * r24209 10Grouper/GrouperAce.lua:`
`09:07.07`	`CIA-17`	`Grouper:`
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`09:07.08`	`ckknight`	`I had that idea`
`09:07.12`	`ckknight`	`it was shot down`
`09:07.16`	`ckknight`	`don't remember why`
`09:07.23`	`Tekkub`	`the default, 200, recovers at about 6X the rate of consumption`
`09:07.26`	`ckknight`	`but I think it has major potential`
`09:07.38`	`Tekkub`	`the idea wasn't shot down, where you wanted to put it was`
`09:07.39`	`KarlThePagan`	`I like those thoughts`
`09:07.47`	`ckknight`	`Tekkub: no, before that.`
`09:08.05`	`Tekkub`	`well see, here's the wacky thing about the new system...`
`09:08.11`	`Tekkub`	`if you start at say, 10MiB`
`09:08.16`	`ckknight`	`k?`
`09:08.19`	`Tekkub`	`you'll _NEVER_ get that low again`
`09:08.27`	`Tekkub`	`unless you force a GC`
`09:08.38`	`Tekkub`	`closest I got was about 14MiB`
`09:09.04`	`ckknight`	`hrm`
`09:09.05`	`ckknight`	`okay`
`09:09.20`	`Tekkub`	`anyway, my thought is let the user set the multiplier rate, and give it to them in direct "6x consumption rate" terms`
`09:09.35`	`Tekkub`	`and then either turn off in combat`
`09:09.40`	`Tekkub`	`or give same option`
`09:09.44`	`Tekkub`	`for in combat's rate`
`09:10.02`	`Tekkub`	`and yea, 200 = 6x basically`
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`09:10.45`	`Tekkub`	`actually, on average it appears 200 = 6.5x`
`09:11.52`	`krka`	`why not let the step vary with current memory size?`
`09:12.21`	`Tekkub`	`vary howso?`
`09:12.29`	`Tekkub`	`larger mem, larger step?`
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`09:13.23`	`krka`	`yes`
`09:13.38`	`Tekkub`	`that's essentially the old system though..`
`09:13.46`	`krka`	`really?`
`09:13.49`	`krka`	`5.0?`
`09:14.11`	`Tekkub`	`the old design is a sharp drop in memory then increase`
`09:14.15`	`Adirelle\|work`	`Nargiddley : OnSlotChanged is doing the whole rule matching work, right ?`
`09:14.17`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`So, with not quite half a day of the 3 new child boards on the forums, anyone have any opinions on how they're working?`
`09:14.24`	`Tekkub`	`doing it like that it's a sharp drop that levels off`
`09:14.29`	`Nargiddley`	`Adirelle\|work, right`
`09:14.35`	`krka`	`nah, it would be more gradual`
`09:14.35`	`Tekkub`	`ZealotOnAStick, flat`
`09:14.37`	`Tekkub`	`:P`
`09:14.57`	`xlvii`	`How much AP should a 43 Undead Rogue have?`
`09:15.11`	`Tekkub`	`well GC steps are stil discreate, like right now I'm getting en about every 11 sec`
`09:15.27`	`Tekkub`	`with 0.1 KiB/sec consumpion...`
`09:15.41`	`Tekkub`	`they get more frequent if I increase my rate`
`09:15.52`	`Tekkub`	`until you hit a lowpoint`
`09:16.05`	`Tekkub`	`so right now, they scale depending on rate, not total memory`
`09:16.32`	`CIA-17`	`03next96 * r24210 10Cartographer_Noteshare/Cartographer_Noteshare.lua:`
`09:16.32`	`CIA-17`	`Cartographer_Noteshare :`
`09:16.32`	`CIA-17`	`- Update locale koKR`
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`09:17.14`	`CIA-17`	`03sylvanaar * r24211 10Prat/Prat.lua:`
`09:17.14`	`CIA-17`	`Prat: Locate a playerlink at the start of a SYSTEM message, and split it out`
`09:17.14`	`CIA-17`	`Issue : 22`
`09:17.36`	`Adirelle\|work`	`Nargiddley: i'll try to do some weightning test in a local version to see f I can't manage to have something meaningful (well, when i'll be back to home ;))`
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`09:17.47`	`Nargiddley`	`Adirelle\|work, ok`
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`09:20.17`	`Tekkub`	`oh ckknight, the other thought...`
`09:20.52`	`Tekkub`	`there seems to be a "creep" in the low/high points on the GC cycles, a forced full GC would be good every now and then`
`09:21.08`	`Tekkub`	`preferably OOC and at a lower point on the memory use`
`09:21.23`	`Elkano`	`KarlThePagan: Grouper-0.9\GrouperAce.lua:534: attempt to index global 'parent' (a nil value)`
`09:21.32`	`KarlThePagan`	`fixing`
`09:21.35`	`Tekkub`	`but it could be like every 10 min and prolly be fine`
`09:21.44`	`krka`	`probably want forced full GC in cities and stuff`
`09:21.47`	`KarlThePagan`	`the rename wasn't so smooth`
`09:22.00`	`krka`	`basically detect not only "out of combat" but also "probably not even close to entering combat"`
`09:22.00`	`KarlThePagan`	`and it appears i had an existing database which masked a bug or two`
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`09:24.12`	`Srosh`	`mornin'`
`09:24.55`	`nymbia`	`hey Srosh`
`09:25.14`	`krka`	`Srosh: you have a kick-ass quit message`
`09:25.23`	`Srosh`	`hehe, thanks`
`09:25.26`	`krka`	`always wanted to say that, but you were never around when i saw it`
`09:25.29`	`krka`	`obviously`
`09:25.32`	`Srosh`	`xD`
`09:25.55`	`sergio`	`quit so i can see it`
`09:25.59`	`sergio`	`kthx`
`09:26.37`	`Srosh`	`:p`
`09:27.37`	`sylvanaar`	`what about post-sticky within a thread on the forums`
`09:27.49`	`sylvanaar`	`can do or not possible?`
`09:28.08`	`krka`	`well, kickass = i picked up the reference`
`09:28.11`	`krka`	`oh well`
`09:28.20`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`sylvanaar: explain/clarify?`
`09:28.55`	`sylvanaar`	`post A on the top of every page while browsing list of posts`
`09:29.18`	`Aenslaed`	`ZealotOnAStick: yo, you the same zoas from enb?`
`09:29.38`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Indeed. Wow, long damn time no see Aenslaed. How goes?`
`09:29.48`	`Aenslaed`	`noticed your name on the forums heh`
`09:29.53`	`KarlThePagan`	`ok Elkano -`
`09:29.54`	`CIA-17`	`03karlthepagan * r24212 10Grouper/ (GrouperAce.lua GrouperCore.lua):`
`09:29.54`	`CIA-17`	`Grouper:`
`09:29.54`	`CIA-17`	`<PROTECTED>`
`09:29.54`	`CIA-17`	`<PROTECTED>`
`09:30.35`	`KarlThePagan`	`currently the menu for current and adjacent zones will be empty... until you zone or refresh manually (you can show the refresh option by enabling debugging)`
`09:31.04`	`KarlThePagan`	`need sleep`
`09:31.15`	`Adirelle\|work`	`Nargiddley: say that selectivity of a rule is = estimated selected item count / total item count`
`09:31.18`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`sylvanaar: I'm not sure with SMF if you can have a sticky post within a thread. You can have a sticky thread in a board . . . but I think the stickies on SMF only show up on page 1.`
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`09:31.42`	`Srosh`	`yep, that's not doable without a mod`
`09:31.56`	`Adirelle\|work`	`Nargiddley: combining rules with AND means multiply selectivity, with OR it means add it`
`09:32.28`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`So, i venture you're playing WoW then Aenslaed - what class, race, and server?`
`09:32.38`	`Aenslaed`	`ZealotOnAStick: you got private message supressed?`
`09:32.46`	`Adirelle\|work`	`Nargiddley: including a cat in a section is like or'ing, excluding and'ing`
`09:32.55`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Not to my knowledge. Are you ident'd?`
`09:33.05`	`Aenslaed`	`nope, guess thats why!`
`09:33.08`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`to PM on freenode you have to register and be ident'd`
`09:33.32`	`Adirelle\|work`	`Nargiddley: then something K/selectivity (with K a defined constant) will give you the priority of a category`
`09:34.24`	`Adirelle\|work`	`Nargiddley: as a rule of thumb, a rule that have 5 alternatives has a selectivity of 0.2 (1/5)`
`09:35.23`	`Nargiddley`	`Adirelle\|work, sounds good. if a bit more complex than i would have gone heh`
`09:35.40`	`Adirelle\|work`	`Adirelle\|work: just remember some of my database courses :D`
`09:36.06`	`Adirelle\|work`	`Adirelle\|work: now i'll have to wait till this evening to do some testings`
`09:36.11`	`krka`	`speak with yourself much?`
`09:36.33`	`Adirelle\|work`	`coffee's calling anyway`
`09:36.58`	`Nargiddley`	`Adirelle\|work, i'll always have items showing in every section they match anyway. if you get a priority system working i'll work on getting sections using it`
`09:37.32`	`Nargiddley`	`Adirelle\|afk, it'll get rid of the special case for the other rule anyway. or turn the special case into lowest priority anyway`
`09:38.08`	`Codayus`	`ZealotOnAStick: If you want the first post in a stickied thread to show up on all pages of that thread in SMF, you need to install a package. Very easy if you have admin power....`
`09:38.14`	`Codayus`	`<--- Runs an SMF forum.`
`09:38.39`	`sylvanaar`	`Codayus: <3`
`09:38.58`	`Codayus`	`SMF is so much cooler than phpBB.`
`09:39.20`	`sylvanaar`	`Codayus: can you assign mod to a thread?`
`09:39.33`	`[Ammo]`	`morning`
`09:40.22`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`I prefer UBB.Threads/FusionBB myself.`
`09:40.32`	`renchap`	`punbb :)`
`09:40.35`	`KarlThePagan`	`Elkano, feel free to contribute to the Grouper wiki page - it's up with some of my notes on features now`
`09:40.47`	`Codayus`	`sylvanaar: Not as far as I know. Hmmm. Interesting thought.`
`09:40.57`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`People still use ubb? o_0`
`09:41.40`	`sylvanaar`	`if i could delete posts in the prat thread and sticky some rules on posting that would be ideal Codayus`
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`09:57.37`	Funkeh`	`morning`
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`10:03.58`	`nymbia`	`:D`
`10:04.01`	Funkeh`	`:p`
`10:04.25`	`evl`	`nothing starts the day off like a stab in the face!`
`10:04.32`	Funkeh`	`thats just uncalled for`
`10:04.54`	Funkeh`	`your not special enough for a hug`
`10:05.10`	`evl`	`honk honk!`
`10:05.16`	Funkeh`	`lol`
`10:05.25`	`nymbia`	`lol`
`10:07.31`	`ckknight`	`I miss my old private torrent tracker...`
`10:07.42`	`krka`	`what happened to it?`
`10:07.43`	`Adirelle\|work`	`~x en fr hug`
`10:07.57`	`ckknight`	`krka: legal threats`
`10:08.02`	`Adirelle\|work`	`~x en fr stabs`
`10:08.07`	`ckknight`	`I use mininova now, but it's not the same.`
`10:08.13`	`Adirelle\|work`	`learning english... :)`
`10:08.20`	`krka`	`if it's private, how did anyone get to know about it?`
`10:08.43`	`ckknight`	`krka: there's a website, but you couldn't view torrents or download without a login`
`10:08.51`	`ckknight`	`but you could see the front page`
`10:08.56`	`ckknight`	`and its name was TorrentIT`
`10:08.59`	Funkeh`	`i hacked him and threatened him with legal action is he kept downloading porn illegaly`
`10:09.10`	`snurre-`	`what does Pet Action Bar has to do with ChatFrames?`
`10:09.47`	`Arrowmaster`	`last i used mininova it didnt seem to have as many torrents as some of the other sites`
`10:09.57`	`Arrowmaster`	`been using btjunkie lately`
`10:10.06`	`krka`	`so, what were the threats about? torrent sites aren't illegal`
`10:10.32`	`evl`	`I'm still using GigaNews :D`
`10:10.36`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`I use mainly MiniNova, Torrential, Cheggit`
`10:10.38`	`evl`	`My warez haven for almost 3 years now`
`10:10.41`	`ckknight`	`krka: welcome to America, where they are.`
`10:10.45`	`CIA-17`	`03nargiddley * r24213 10Baggins/Baggins.lua: Baggins: Fix all bank items being marked as new`
`10:10.53`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`have a couple of other specialized sites for anime and stuff.`
`10:10.56`	`ckknight`	`well, it has a hazy legal status`
`10:11.09`	`evl`	`12$ a month, 120 days binary retention and I ain't reliant on seeders. Pretty nice to put on something and get 2mb/s from the first second.`
`10:11.34`	`Adirelle\|work`	`nargiddley: you added something like "highlight new items" ?`
`10:11.40`	`Nargiddley`	`Adirelle\|work, yes`
`10:11.47`	`krka`	`hm... would this be illegal too? http://linuxtracker.org/`
`10:11.57`	`Adirelle\|work`	`nargiddley: I really like your work ;)`
`10:12.02`	`evl`	`Anything that spreads copyrighted material is illegal`
`10:12.12`	`evl`	`It's just about who can be bothered with suing who`
`10:12.41`	`krka`	`yeah, but how do you know there is anything copyrighted if its locked down to users?`
`10:12.45`	`ckknight`	`krka: it's about spreading copyright material, not about torrent technology itself`
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`10:14.32`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`s/checked/checks/`
`10:14.48`	`krka`	`yeah, so how did they know anything copyrighted were being spread, if they could only access the front page?`
`10:17.43`	`CIA-17`	`03jncl * r24214 10Skinner/ (10 files in 2 dirs): Skinner: Skinned XRS; Fixed missing DropDown Text in various skins`
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`10:22.16`	`Health`	`Any patch notes from US yet?`
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`10:24.53`	`nymbia`	`Health: servers are still up, and nothin on the forums`
`10:25.27`	`Quetzi`	`sylvanaar, SMF allows you to allow thread creators to mod their own threads`
`10:25.40`	`Quetzi`	`or rather, can be set to`
`10:25.55`	`ckknight`	`Health: what version is it now?`
`10:26.18`	`Health`	`ckknight: Not sure. 2.0.3?`
`10:26.43`	`Health`	`EU is having downtime in like.. 17 hours.`
`10:26.47`	`ckknight`	`hey, I called it`
`10:26.57`	`ckknight`	`a week before TBC, they'd patch`
`10:27.01`	`ckknight`	`guess what happened ;-)`
`10:27.12`	`Health`	`theehee`
`10:27.29`	`\|Kev\|`	`101544 < evl> Anything that spreads copyrighted material is illegal`
`10:27.34`	`\|Kev\|`	`that's not strictly true`
`10:27.48`	`evl`	`For me that's a non-discussion`
`10:27.51`	`\|Kev\|`	`it has to be copyrighted and without a license`
`10:28.07`	`\|Kev\|`	`since amazon spread (c) material, etc`
`10:28.21`	`evl`	`Sure it can be interpeted in oh so many ways`
`10:28.28`	`evl`	`but if you add Lawyer + Money + Case = Problems`
`10:28.54`	`evl`	`You can sue a company for not putting a warning label that says you shouldn't put your baby in the dryer`
`10:29.03`	`evl`	`So it seems to be you can sue for anything in the US`
`10:29.37`	`\|Kev\|`	`indeed`
`10:29.45`	`\|Kev\|`	`litigative societies are annoying`
`10:30.00`	`CIA-17`	`03nevcairiel * r24215 10sRaidFrames/sRaidFramesOptions.lua: sRaidFrames: check for CastCommLib in the options and disable the healing option if its not available`
`10:30.32`	`Adirelle\|work`	`do you think something like select('#', mystr:gmatchmypattern)) will return the number of matches ?`
`10:30.43`	`evl`	`Thankfully you can't sue for much here in Norway, that comforts me`
`10:30.44`	`Adirelle\|work`	`i meant : select('#', mystr:gmatch(mypattern))`
`10:30.49`	`evl`	`as one genius on IRC once said`
`10:30.50`	`evl`	`The problem with America is stupidity. I'm not saying there should be a capital punishment for stupidity... But why don't we just take the safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself?`
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`10:33.34`	`ckknight`	`yes, Adirelle\|work`
`10:34.17`	`Elkano`	`KarlThePagan: Grouper-0.9\GrouperAce.lua:534: attempt to index global 'parent' (a nil value) <-- seems to still error`
`10:34.32`	`Adirelle\|work`	`ckknight: did I missed a better way to do it ?`
`10:34.56`	`ckknight`	`if you only want the number, then no, probably not.`
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`10:36.40`	`CIA-17`	`03sylvanaar * r24216 10Prat/modules/ChatButtons.lua: Prat: Fix some of the buttons issues. Reminder wasnt using correct logic. Hidden frames were running OnUpdates. Still need per-frame configs`
`10:37.13`	`sylvanaar`	`i wish curney would stop organizing the source`
`10:38.07`	`sylvanaar`	`Quetzi: all i can do is lock or unlock my Prat 2 thread`
`10:39.10`	`sylvanaar`	`snurre-: didnt you ask this yesterday`
`10:39.21`	`Elkano`	`KarlThePagan, it should be element instead of parent in that line I suppose`
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`10:42.02`	`Quetzi`	`sylvanaar, well thats cos the relevant permissions aren't set I guess`
`10:42.19`	`Quetzi`	`but its possible to allow`
`10:42.27`	`user9`	`Hi I had a question I am trying to make a extremely hack of Fubar tinytip to load a nonfubar addon but I dont understand or cant find the proper function that opens the addon`
`10:43.10`	`Elkano`	`KarlThePagan, and scanning still doesn't work :/`
`10:43.21`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`sylvanaar: you'll need to talk to Kaelten or another admin, or maybe a super-mod or something. Someone with more permissions than I do, at any rate, to see if something more suitable for what you desire for your Prat2 thread is doable without added modules.`
`10:44.12`	`sylvanaar`	`ZealotOnAStick: im not pestering - just chit chatting about it`
`10:44.53`	`sylvanaar`	`~snurre-`
`10:44.58`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`I know, just letting you know what to do to try to make it happen.`
`10:45.07`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`If I could do it, It'd have been done.`
`10:45.13`	`sylvanaar`	`no purl?`
`10:45.22`	`sylvanaar`	`purl: aloha`
`10:45.26`	`user9`	`or better yet anyone used FuBar_CustomMenu and could explain it to work with my non ace mod :P`
`10:48.41`	`sylvanaar`	`maybe i was on yesterdays buffer`
`10:49.28`	`sylvanaar`	`nope`
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`10:54.33`	`sylvanaar`	`I dont see why someone would bitch about being warned about pet action bar getting tainted`
`10:55.07`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`sylvanaar, you ever worked tech support, or customer service of any sort?`
`10:55.30`	`sylvanaar`	`then again - i reviewed my irc log - and this guy bitches about everything`
`10:55.53`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`There's a basic staple of such: the more users something has, the greater the certainty that someone will find the most innocuous and idiotic thing to complain about.`
`10:56.44`	`sylvanaar`	`yeah, seriously`
`10:56.55`	`sylvanaar`	`it just irritates me`
`10:57.51`	`Srosh`	`alas, one of the svn mirrors is out of sync again =\|`
`10:58.07`	`syeren`	`Surely someone will know here.`
`10:58.21`	`syeren`	`What's the CSS to make my background image appear in the middle / center of the page?`
`10:58.44`	`syeren`	`background-position: center middle;`
`10:58.49`	`syeren`	`Won't work, neither will...`
`10:58.57`	`syeren`	`background-position: 50% 50%;`
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`11:02.45`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`you could make it the backround image of a div that's positioned where you want it.`
`11:03.22`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`but with absolute positioning that might mess up with different resolutions/screen sizes.`
`11:03.50`	`syeren`	`Well I could posistion it by pixels, but that would mess up on different resolutions like you said.`
`11:04.05`	`syeren`	`I could create a 100% table and set it to center middle I support :/`
`11:04.09`	`syeren`	`*I suppose.`
`11:04.35`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`tables should not be used for layout`
`11:04.39`	`CIA-17`	`03sylvanaar * r24217 10GloryLib/Glory-2.0/Glory-2.0.lua: GloryLib: new servers`
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`11:05.23`	`Ordog`	`syeren only center should do`
`11:05.30`	`Ordog`	`background-position: center;`
`11:05.45`	`Ordog`	`thats short for background-position: center center;`
`11:06.09`	`syeren`	`Just places it at the top of my firefox :/`
`11:06.26`	`syeren`	`<PROTECTED>`
`11:06.27`	`syeren`	`background-image: url(img/splash.jpg);`
`11:06.27`	`syeren`	`background-repeat: no-repeat;`
`11:06.27`	`syeren`	`background-position: 30% 30%;`
`11:06.39`	`syeren`	`30% is just there as a test at the moment ;/`
`11:06.43`	`Ordog`	`are you sure the div you attach that background to is correctly placed?`
`11:07.30`	`syeren`	`div being :P?`
`11:07.34`	`syeren`	`Last time I coded HTMl was 98 ;p`
`11:07.42`	`pahvir`	`:o`
`11:07.45`	`syeren`	`*HTML`
`11:07.53`	`CIA-17`	`03sylvanaar * r24218 10GloryLib/Glory-2.0/Glory-2.0.lua: GloryLib: rest of battlegroup 12`
`11:08.08`	`syeren`	`Just looking at all this CSS Stuff, looks like a cleaner set up by far :p`
`11:08.25`	`Ordog`	`definately`
`11:08.26`	`pahvir`	`css is nice :P`
`11:08.59`	`Ordog`	`but debugging for multiple browsers on a multiple page stylesheet is not that funny ^^`
`11:09.22`	`syeren`	`All I want is this damn image appearing in the center of my damn page, which it won't.`
`11:09.28`	`syeren`	`Closest it will go is the middle of the top.`
`11:11.00`	`pahvir`	`try`
`11:11.02`	`pahvir`	`background-position: center center`
`11:11.16`	`syeren`	`Tried it.`
`11:11.21`	`syeren`	`Like it ignores it :/`
`11:11.36`	`Dhraga`	`~seen arjuna`
`11:11.55`	`purl`	`arjuna <n=arjuna@pool-162-83-108-54.culp.east.verizon.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 29d 8h 9m 5s ago, saying: 'right in the center, try left-click and dragging...right over ur toon's head'.`
`11:12.09`	`Dhraga`	`hmmm...`
`11:12.09`	`andremar`	`syeren: url to the page you are having trouble with?`
`11:12.30`	`syeren`	`<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%" height="100%">`
`11:12.30`	`syeren`	`<tr><td valign="middle" align="center"><img src="img/splash.jpg" border="0"></td>`
`11:12.30`	`syeren`	`</tr>`
`11:12.30`	`syeren`	`</table>`
`11:12.44`	`syeren`	`Untill DNS Servers work, I'm just testing everything locally :p`
`11:13.00`	`syeren`	`Is there anyway in Css I could clean that code up?`
`11:13.02`	`Dhraga`	`If anyone is able to bugfix, the simpleminimap is broke in the latests version, no visible minimap or bliz minimap buttons with it =/`
`11:13.09`	`syeren`	`Like make a table style and just call it?`
`11:13.24`	`syeren`	`Although it will not make any difference I suppose, it would just be for future refrence.`
`11:13.41`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`hrm.`
`11:14.07`	`syeren`	`http://www.fabrikate.org/`
`11:14.10`	`syeren`	`Needs to work soon :(`
`11:14.19`	`Ordog`	`which element are you trying to attach that background to?`
`11:14.43`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`syeren, just tested it.. "background-position: center;" works fine in safari, but in firefox it doesn't vertically position the image properly.`
`11:14.49`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`it may be a firefox issue.`
`11:15.09`	`syeren`	`Nighthawk, half the background was under a damn tab on my screen ---`
`11:15.16`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`yeah`
`11:15.46`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`in firefox, the background image is cut off about halfway for me. but, as i said, in safari it's positioned properly in the center of the page.`
`11:16.20`	`syeren`	`I haven't tested it in IE7.0`
`11:16.30`	`syeren`	`Apparantly my Add-ons are turned off in IE7.0`
`11:16.38`	`syeren`	`I didn't turn them off, and have no idea how to turn them back on :/`
`11:17.04`	`syeren`	`Done :p;`
`11:17.31`	`kebinusan`	`Patch notes for 2.0.3 if anyone is interested: http://ace.pastey.net/4785`
`11:18.31`	`pahvir`	`hm`
`11:18.40`	`pahvir`	`it works right in ie7 atleast :PP`
`11:20.03`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`"scarab lord" title? presumably for having completed the aq scepter quest?`
`11:20.12`	`Srosh_`	`damn, they raised the min level for Outland access to 58`
`11:20.46`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`what was it before?`
`11:21.07`	`Srosh_`	`55`
`11:22.03`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`hmm. not that terrible then really`
`11:22.42`	`Neebler`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vff6_LTroX4`
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`11:23.20`	`Srosh_`	`still it's three levels`
`11:23.55`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`yeah, but there's not a whole lot you're going to do in outland before level 58 anyway`
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`11:25.50`	`Srosh_`	`true, tho you could gain access to the vendors, especially those that sell the profession books`
`11:29.33`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Eh, very minor, and really only applies to first aid`
`11:33.26`	`evl`	`wtf?`
`11:33.28`	`evl`	`3 man onyxia?`
`11:33.28`	`evl`	`http://warcraftmovies.com/stream.php?id=34385`
`11:33.29`	`evl`	`:D`
`11:34.32`	`kebinusan`	`considering paladins can heal forever w/o going oom makes sense`
`11:35.02`	`evl`	`how do they do that?`
`11:35.29`	`kebinusan`	`they have a talent that makes their crit heals not cost mana amoung other things`
`11:35.30`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`syeren, figured out the issue with firefox. You need to set "height: 100%" on the html element.`
`11:35.40`	`evl`	`and the warrior has some kind of lightning shield on him that damages the whelps, what is that? they are alliance`
`11:35.42`	`naenee`	`What's up with the music though`
`11:36.02`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`evl: Crystal Spire`
`11:36.05`	`naenee`	`evl: I think that's the 'no gimmick' part`
`11:36.07`	`sylvanaar`	`anyonw have 2.0.4 yet?`
`11:36.08`	`evl`	`aha :)`
`11:36.13`	`evl`	`crystal spire ofc`
`11:36.19`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`they also abused immo oil, and probably other consumables i missed`
`11:36.38`	`CIA-17`	`03totalpackage * r24219 10Capping/ (4 files):`
`11:36.38`	`CIA-17`	`Capping`
`11:36.38`	`CIA-17`	`- FR and DE localization updates`
`11:37.18`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`I just want to know how many arrows that hunter went through. :P`
`11:37.24`	`evl`	`a lot :)`
`11:37.26`	`evl`	`he's the only dps they have`
`11:38.19`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`well, the warrior probably wasn't doing terribly, TF with SS and maybe devastate isn't too bad. but yeah.`
`11:39.25`	`evl`	`And why do they kill so many whelps?`
`11:39.36`	`evl`	`Or is it just that it takes some time for the hunter to get her out of P3`
`11:39.38`	`evl`	`P2*`
`11:39.52`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`probably`
`11:40.08`	`evl`	`Well I keep hearing the same from all my beta mates, hybrids are too good atm`
`11:40.08`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`i mean, its just one hunter, who in p2, is quite literally all the dps. :P`
`11:40.30`	`Ordog`	`hm thats 2x speed right?`
`11:40.40`	`Ordog`	`they did that shit for 26minutes Oo`
`11:40.41`	`evl`	`I've also never quite understood how deep breath is triggered, any clues?`
`11:40.44`	`Ordog`	`46`
`11:41.07`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`evl, im pretty sure that's the biggest mystery of wow.`
`11:41.35`	`evl`	`:)`
`11:41.51`	`kebinusan`	`well deep breath used to have a conflag effect on the fireballs, which was the whole reason for spreading out during it, honestly the best thing you can do is just follow ony around the room in the safe areas`
`11:42.00`	`Stinkfot`	`meh curse down again :S`
`11:42.22`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`keb: personally, i've found wearing 300+ FR is the best thing to do, then you can stand anywhere you please and live through it. :D`
`11:42.25`	`evl`	`curse is a nice site but`
`11:42.37`	`evl`	`It's never up/always slow/buggy`
`11:42.48`	`kebinusan`	`I wonder what their ad revenue is like he`
`11:42.49`	`evl`	`A wordpress installation would work better atm :P`
`11:42.50`	`kebinusan`	`*heh`
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`11:46.42`	`sylvanaar`	`removed SetScale(1) from PetActionButton hmm`
`11:47.19`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`.. i can't use troll berserking in ghost wolf form!? :(`
`11:48.51`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`~framexml`
`11:48.59`	`purl`	`get the official Blizzard Interface AddOn Kit here: http://www.blizzard.com/support/wow/?id=aww01671p -- Beta: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/downloads/expansion-bc/addonkit.zip`
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`11:54.12`	`Gagorian`	`tooltip methods:`
`11:54.13`	`Gagorian`	`o NEW: name, rank = Tooltip:GetSpell()`
`11:54.14`	`Gagorian`	`winner`
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`11:55.49`	`sylvanaar`	`what does the bc addonkit do different`
`11:57.28`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Pulls out the beta's files.`
`11:57.30`	`Ordog`	`aw crap the addon notes are horrible`
`11:57.51`	`sylvanaar`	`they both work`
`11:57.52`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`I tried to download the live one . . . and instead of a 1.5 meg file, I'm getting a 6k invalid zip. :/`
`11:57.54`	`Ordog`	`dudus got pimped palas got pimped rougues got pimped WTF`
`11:58.18`	`CIA-17`	`03curney * r24220 10Prat/modules/ (ChatButtons.lua ChatFrames.lua):`
`11:58.18`	`CIA-17`	`Prat:`
`11:58.18`	`CIA-17`	`- ChatButtons.lua added a couple more comments, fixed some references to db values that didnt exist`
`11:58.18`	`CIA-17`	`- ChatFrames.lua fixed db value reference in AceEvent_FullyInitialized() function`
`11:58.24`	`sylvanaar`	`i think the beta one is if you dont have beta installed`
`11:58.24`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Wanted to confirm the live toc. I don't suppose anyone's got the live version sitting around?`
`11:58.57`	`Tovort`	are these Patchnotes for real`?
`11:59.04`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Yes.`
`11:59.14`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`They match the ones from the patcher.`
`11:59.26`	`sylvanaar`	`20003`
`11:59.38`	`Tovort`	`omg than i'm in love with blizz 'cause I play a hunter and a druid :D`
`11:59.40`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`we sure, from the live files?`
`11:59.52`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`I don't want to commit and then find out it's 20030`
`12:00.03`	`sylvanaar`	`20003 on TBC`
`12:00.21`	`Tovort`	`< i'm in europe, so you are one day ahead regarding the patch`
`12:00.59`	`sylvanaar`	`patching live now`
`12:01.25`	`Srosh_`	`Kaelten, can you fix the desynced mirrors please?`
`12:01.40`	`CIA-17`	`03arkayenro * r24221 10ArkInventory/ (4 files):`
`12:01.40`	`CIA-17`	`ArkInventory:`
`12:01.40`	`CIA-17`	`- v1.30 beta 2007-01-09-23-00`
`12:01.44`	`JoshBorke`	`just say no!`
`12:01.48`	`sylvanaar`	`wow huge patch`
`12:02.10`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`never mind, I got it now.`
`12:02.27`	`Nargiddley`	`20003 on live after the patch`
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`12:04.20`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`yep. Ok, just wanted to be -positive-`
`12:04.41`	`evl`	`www.patchitbaby.com for patch mirrors btw`
`12:05.55`	`CIA-17`	`03zealotonastick * r24222 10FuBar_LogFu2/FuBar_LogFu2.toc:`
`12:05.55`	`CIA-17`	`FuBar_LogFu2:`
`12:05.55`	`CIA-17`	`<PROTECTED>`
`12:06.33`	`CIA-17`	`03zealotonastick * r24223 10Voyeur/Voyeur.toc: Voyeur: .toc update for 2.0.3`
`12:07.37`	`Silviu--`	`ZealotOnAStick u play on US ?`
`12:07.49`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Yes.`
`12:07.55`	`Silviu--`	`And u got patch ?`
`12:08.09`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Yes.`
`12:08.32`	`Silviu--`	`oh, nice means tonight we get too on Eu`
`12:08.35`	`Silviu--`	`Thx`
`12:08.48`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`servers aren't up yet, but I'm patched.`
`12:08.53`	`Daemona`	`laugh cartographer treasure tracks use of Zandalarian hero charm :=`
`12:09.12`	`Codayus`	`Really? .....`
`12:09.18`	`Codayus`	`Heh`
`12:09.21`	`Codayus`	`That's pretty funny.`
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`12:10.26`	`Industrial`	`what does it do then`
`12:11.03`	`CIA-17`	`03solor * r24224 10Skinner/AddonSkins/ (Fence.lua Links.lua XRS.lua): Skinner: Fixed Fence, Links and XRS skinning`
`12:11.11`	`Gagorian`	`Installing wow from CDs is about the most boring thing ever`
`12:11.34`	`evl`	`Hehe yeah, they use some pretty heavy compression on the data files`
`12:11.53`	`Industrial`	`watching shit compile and not being able to do anything at that time is more boring :P`
`12:12.18`	`*** join/#wowace Heri1 (n=Kevin@dsl027-181-250.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net)`
`12:12.19`	`Gagorian`	`At least you don't have to sit at your computer ;)`
`12:12.37`	`Industrial`	`put all the mpq files in 1 folder`
`12:12.41`	`Industrial`	`and install from there`
`12:12.44`	`Industrial`	`and walk away`
`12:12.45`	`Industrial`	`:)`
`12:12.56`	`Daemona`	`http://img4.picsplace.to/img.php?file=img4/28/WoWScrnShot_010907_130935.jpg`
`12:13.27`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Heh. that's neat.`
`12:13.29`	`Industrial`	`what does the charm do`
`12:13.49`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`thottbot? :P`
`12:13.51`	`Gagorian`	`adds spelldamage`
`12:14.03`	`odt`	`wow, 3man ony`
`12:14.11`	`Heri1`	`oh snap`
`12:14.21`	`Heri1`	`i didn't know you could loot a ZHC in AB`
`12:15.13`	`Ordog`	`easy just hop on to of the lumber mill and jump on that could!`
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`12:15.29`	`sylvanaar`	`matches the tbc exactly`
`12:15.34`	`Heri1`	`i do that all the time`
`12:15.47`	`Heri1`	`fastest way from LM to BS is parachute cloak ^_^`
`12:16.07`	`Daemona`	`nope`
`12:16.12`	`Daemona`	`its mage on mount with slowfall`
`12:16.26`	`Gagorian`	`yeah, you can't use parachute cloak when mounted`
`12:16.39`	`Gagorian`	`found that out the hard way.. from LM to B... I mean my death.`
`12:16.52`	`Heri1`	`uhm`
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`12:17.03`	`Heri1`	`if you jump off and dismount real quick and use it it's just as good =)`
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`12:17.40`	`Gagorian`	`yes that's an option.. if you're prepared for it ;)`
`12:17.53`	`Ordog`	`you are pierced with arrows, torn upside down by shadowbolts and grilled by fireballs before you even cross the river ^^`
`12:18.09`	`Daemona`	`naah`
`12:18.12`	`Daemona`	`nobody looks up`
`12:18.22`	`CIA-17`	`03sylvanaar * r24225 10Prat/Prat.toc: Prat: TOC 20003`
`12:18.43`	`Herio`	`lol`
`12:19.42`	`CIA-17`	`03sylvanaar * r24226 10FuBar_RegenFu/FuBar_RegenFu.toc: FuBar_RegenFu: TOC 20003`
`12:20.26`	`CIA-17`	`03sylvanaar * r24227 10FuBar_SWStats2Fu/FuBar_SWStats2Fu.toc: FuBar_SWStats2Fu: TOC 20003`
`12:20.29`	`Ordog`	`ok no more updates for me until tomorrow it seems`
`12:20.48`	`Ordog`	`or is a higher toc ignored?`
`12:21.00`	`Gagorian`	`it will say out of date`
`12:21.14`	`Ordog`	`omg world will collapse`
`12:21.20`	`Ordog`	`ok can handle that i guess ^^`
`12:21.29`	`sylvanaar`	`us people cant`
`12:21.41`	`Gagorian`	`but if any new API is used then GG :f`
`12:21.43`	`Herio`	`wait is 2.03 coming out tommarow?`
`12:21.47`	`Gagorian`	`yes`
`12:21.52`	`Gagorian`	`or today for US.`
`12:21.54`	`Herio`	`orly o.O`
`12:21.59`	`sylvanaar`	`its out now`
`12:22.08`	`sylvanaar`	`TBC and live are synced`
`12:22.19`	`Herio`	`O.o`
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`12:22.51`	`Herio`	`if you can buy the TBC online now, then that means that you can play TBC when the server comes back up?`
`12:22.59`	`Herio`	`this doesn't make any sense...`
`12:23.01`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`no`
`12:23.04`	`sylvanaar`	`no`
`12:23.33`	`CIA-17`	`03sylvanaar * r24228 10RightWing/RightWing.toc: RightWing: TOC 20003`
`12:23.45`	`*** join/#wowace Hjalte (n=chatzill@bw1.svend-es.dk)`
`12:23.45`	`Mikma`	`grzesieq: i'm too lazy to make a changelog since i do change stuff around alot :P`
`12:23.49`	`Herio`	`so, blizzard's online store is shipping it?`
`12:23.50`	`CIA-17`	`03nargiddley * r24229 10MainAssist/ (MainAssist.lua MainAssist.toc): MainAssist: small cleanup + TOC 20003`
`12:23.55`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`this patch just brings the "classic" wow in sync with talent/api/etc changes current in the tbc beta, which presumably is what will be patched next week to people who bought beta`
`12:24.03`	`CIA-17`	`03nargiddley * r24230 10Baggins/Baggins.toc: Baggins: TOC 20003`
`12:24.08`	`sylvanaar`	`the lUa and xml files are the same`
`12:24.28`	`Herio`	`defies the point of the developer having an online store imo`
`12:24.46`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`why?`
`12:25.08`	`evl`	`I'm getting my game code off an online store`
`12:25.18`	`evl`	`1. Open box 2. Photo key 3. Send box`
`12:25.19`	`Herio`	`they have the ability to do such things, why not ^_-`
`12:25.41`	`Herio`	`i'm going to be out of town from the sat before to the sat after`
`12:25.48`	`Herio`	`so i'm having a friend pick me up a copy`
`12:26.38`	`kebinusan`	`evl, what store, I contacted a couple and they wouldnt do that`
`12:26.55`	`odt`	`evl: same plan for me`
`12:27.09`	`odt`	`well, except for the box`
`12:27.11`	`evl`	`Well last time WoW was released`
`12:27.16`	`evl`	`I had guys with 6 month preorders`
`12:27.19`	`odt`	`dont give a crap`
`12:27.22`	`evl`	`I got it faster via gamersloot :P`
`12:27.29`	`odt`	`oh, same place even`
`12:27.34`	`odt`	`also ordered from there`
`12:27.36`	`sylvanaar`	`what is this patch again?`
`12:27.52`	`sylvanaar`	`i read the forums (mistake)`
`12:27.57`	`sylvanaar`	`now im confuse`
`12:28.19`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`think of it as any other content patch`
`12:28.24`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`thats all it really is`
`12:28.44`	`Herio`	`all i care about the patch makes shadowfury a 20sec CD`
`12:28.56`	`Herio`	`it just isn't fair anymore =)`
`12:29.11`	`Jens`	`Seems like they FINALLY fixed shadowform display issues.`
`12:29.14`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`as if it ever was. :P`
`12:29.36`	`Herio`	`be a happy i don't roll with my felpuppy out`
`12:29.38`	`Nargiddley`	`Herio, i agree with that`
`12:29.49`	`sylvanaar`	`what doest this mean`
`12:29.50`	`sylvanaar`	`<PROTECTED>`
`12:30.25`	`Nargiddley`	`can get info about what is on the cursor, like when dragging spells or items around`
`12:30.31`	`sylvanaar`	`various returns for GetCursorInfo?`
`12:30.50`	`Herio`	`well`
`12:30.54`	`Herio`	`from what i read it as`
`12:30.56`	`Mikma`	`�.`
`12:30.56`	`Nargiddley`	`sounds like the first one will be a string with whats there, others info about it`
`12:31.15`	`sylvanaar`	`hope they are all strings`
`12:31.19`	`Herio`	`if you do like... foo, bar = GetCursorInfo()`
`12:31.37`	`Herio`	`foo == "item" --true`
`12:31.45`	`Herio`	`if it is an item you are mousing over`
`12:31.58`	`sylvanaar`	`Just make a little fubar panel`
`12:32.00`	`Herio`	`while bar is the itemID`
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`12:32.09`	`sylvanaar`	`that gets a, b, c`
`12:32.11`	`Nargiddley`	`not mousing over, when you have one as your cursor`
`12:32.16`	`sylvanaar`	`and puts it on the tooltip`
`12:32.21`	`Arrowmaster`	`"spell", slot, "spell" or "pet" = GetCursorInfo() makes no sense then though`
`12:32.44`	`Nargiddley`	`i would guess "pet" for pet spells ?`
`12:32.49`	`Herio`	`ah`
`12:32.59`	`Nargiddley`	`have to play with it to find out`
`12:33.05`	`Arrowmaster`	`but then all the info you get from it is slot?`
`12:33.30`	`Herio`	`hrm`
`12:33.31`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`pet could actually be uh.... pet, if you're dragging a pet to/from your stable?`
`12:33.32`	`sylvanaar`	`its probably so that you dont have to hook onenter`
`12:33.34`	`Herio`	`slot?`
`12:33.44`	`nee-lap`	`Is there any way for ag_UnitFrames to show pet frames now?`
`12:33.45`	`Herio`	`wtf is slot supposed to me`
`12:33.48`	`sylvanaar`	`oh yeah`
`12:33.50`	`Herio`	`actionbar ID?`
`12:34.03`	`Nargiddley`	`then what if you`
`12:34.11`	`Nargiddley`	`you're dragging from the spellbook :/`
`12:34.49`	`sylvanaar`	`it just combines the existing apis`
`12:34.56`	`sylvanaar`	`into 1`
`12:35.03`	`Herio`	`i see`
`12:35.20`	`sylvanaar`	`CursorHasMoney CursorHasSpell etc`
`12:35.26`	`Herio`	`i've never had to fool around with the cursor and dragging things >.>`
`12:35.45`	`Ordog`	`are the honor prices for pvp weapons reduced also ?`
`12:35.50`	`sylvanaar`	`i get it now`
`12:36.22`	`nee-lap`	`Ordog: What prices are reduced and when?`
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`12:36.56`	`Nargiddley`	`"spell", 9, "spell" when dragging a spell around`
`12:37.02`	`Ordog`	`pvp armor prices are reduced 33% with bc`
`12:37.05`	`Nargiddley`	`9 is the spellbook index`
`12:37.11`	`Herio`	`i see`
`12:37.20`	`Herio`	`omg`
`12:37.24`	`sylvanaar`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`12:37.42`	`Herio`	`why do they need to make good gear so easy to get?`
`12:37.45`	`nee-lap`	`nice`
`12:38.38`	`phyber`	`Herio: so that the peons who play for 5 minutes a day can get it!`
`12:39.02`	`nee-lap`	`Hm. For some reason, with the latest Prat, not all chat buttons are hidden anymore`
`12:39.03`	`Ordog`	`hm but weapons dont according to Werik ... gonna log in to check ;P`
`12:39.37`	`phyber`	`Herio: but it's ok. at level 70 in TBC, the whining will resume when they can't get their epix from illidan because they can't raid for 37 hours a day.`
`12:39.40`	`Matrix110`	`Herio because Blizzard wants their carebear mmorpg to get even more carebear!`
`12:40.14`	`Herio`	`my guild got c'thun down 9% on sunday`
`12:40.18`	`Herio`	`we raid 8 hours a week`
`12:40.23`	`Herio`	`>.>`
`12:40.42`	`Herio`	`well we upped it to 12 last week, for c'thun attempts`
`12:40.55`	`Herio`	`hell we aren't even a guild`
`12:41.15`	`Herio`	`it's a raid group, composed of various people guiled and not`
`12:41.32`	`Herio`	`pve isn't all that hard tbh`
`12:41.34`	`Matrix110`	`<3 c'thun you can so easily check which people suck :)`
`12:41.42`	`Arrowmaster`	`my guild fell apart yesterday and all the raiders made a new guild`
`12:41.51`	`Herio`	`you just need people who aren't tarded in 4 ways from stupid`
`12:42.02`	`Herio`	`there's your problem`
`12:42.05`	`Herio`	`raiding as a guild`
`12:42.10`	`Herio`	`and having non-raiders`
`12:42.19`	`Matrix110`	`pve isnt hard same goes for pvp...`
`12:42.40`	`Gagorian`	`My god. I need to download 1.12 again before I can get anywhere close to the latest version`
`12:42.43`	`Matrix110`	`in other mmorpgs there was possibilites to show "skill"`
`12:42.44`	`sylvanaar`	`The title "Scarab Lord" can now be chosen in game for select players.`
`12:43.04`	`Arrowmaster`	`yeah it was hard enough when people actually showed up for raids once in a blue moon you know`
`12:43.04`	`Herio`	`when you're grouped, 90% of games are push overs, but in sometimes you get the 45min WSG game >.<`
`12:43.05`	`sylvanaar`	`nee-lap: yeah i know`
`12:43.15`	`nee-lap`	`oki`
`12:44.02`	`Matrix110`	`Herio you can have 4h WSG games aswell`
`12:44.02`	`Herio`	`scarab lord?`
`12:44.02`	`Herio`	`rank15?`
`12:44.02`	`Matrix110`	`IF you opened the AQ Gate`
`12:44.04`	`Herio`	`i see`
`12:44.10`	`Arrowmaster`	`when they started not showing up at all we had to cancel all raiding for 3 months, so now with 25 man raids we should be able to snipe a few people from other guilds and have a raid group of people that you know actually show up all the time`
`12:44.16`	`Herio`	`well there is a rank15 blp...`
`12:44.36`	`Herio`	`well`
`12:44.42`	`Matrix110`	`But many of the AQ openers sold their account because of the LEGENDARY mount that is atleast on our server less unique than my old epic horse:P`
`12:44.47`	`Srosh_`	`"hard" equals to finding people that don't suck in MOOs usually`
`12:44.47`	`Herio`	`if you raid as a guild you're always going to have attendance issues`
`12:44.52`	`Herio`	`esp if you don't know the people`
`12:45.15`	`Herio`	`if you don't you don't have any obligation to bring specific people`
`12:45.19`	`Srosh_`	`afaik only the first one to ring the gong gets that title (opposed to the mount)`
`12:45.23`	`Herio`	`so people show up as job security =_`
`12:45.40`	`Matrix110`	`Srosh make my Sage to a professor!`
`12:45.44`	`Dhraga`	`LoL, Funny animals http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6768191643962653988`
`12:45.49`	`Srosh`	`=P`
`12:45.55`	`Arrowmaster`	`oh we all knew each other its just it was a 'casual' guild even though we had a core group of 15+ raiders that would give any core group of hardcore raiders a run for their money`
`12:46.19`	`Herio`	`you can't have a casual raiding guild`
`12:46.20`	`Herio`	`if you want progress of any sort`
`12:46.36`	`Herio`	`you need 45-50 people with 90% attendance`
`12:46.47`	`Matrix110`	`50ppl cant have 90% attendance:P`
`12:46.52`	`Srosh`	`yep`
`12:46.54`	`Arrowmaster`	`exactly, thats why we only killed skaram twice`
`12:47.09`	`Herio`	`i haven't missed a raid since school started in the fall`
`12:47.16`	`Herio`	`until yesterday`
`12:47.47`	`Arrowmaster`	`we did like firemaw to nef in a month but couldnt kill skaram more than twice`
`12:47.57`	`Herio`	`but i still showed up an hour late after eating birthday cake with my grandma, and got my raid spot from some whiney eastcoaster complaining that we can't raid till 1am his time`
`12:47.57`	`Matrix110`	`Oo`
`12:48.09`	`Dhraga`	`We got the same thing as Herio, we'r a cross guild alliance, where the individuals of the guilds have to apply to be a part of the XG, and it works out real nice... We only raid 3 times a week and have bwl on farm but waited with aq40 due to the tbc comming`
`12:48.21`	`Matrix110`	`and Firemaw to nef in a month is a bit slow tbh Oo`
`12:48.35`	`Herio`	`we did first kills on broodlord up to and including chromag in one week`
`12:48.38`	`Herio`	`and nef the next one`
`12:49.18`	`Arrowmaster`	`i cant remember what it was but it took us 3 months to clear bwl but we had a gap in there where we couldnt get a good raid group`
`12:49.19`	`Herio`	`it's pretty easy when you have motivated people, and no obligation to carry deadweight`
`12:49.23`	`Dhraga`	`Herio, I have to agree that the raid group theme is a better way than guild raids`
`12:49.31`	`Herio`	`yep`
`12:49.44`	`Herio`	`we have one guy doing the invites`
`12:49.48`	`Arrowmaster`	`i know we did first kills on all 3 drakes and chromag in the same week`
`12:49.49`	`Dhraga`	`same`
`12:49.59`	`Herio`	`he's got geared 60s priest, rogue, lock, and warrior`
`12:50.11`	`Herio`	`so he can spot a good player of any class`
`12:50.18`	`Dhraga`	`Nice`
`12:50.47`	`Dhraga`	`We have one raidleader and two subs, and we have class leaders covering their class`
`12:51.04`	`Mikma`	`moo`
`12:51.07`	`Herio`	`it's pretty funny, the raid group started as raid2 for my guild`
`12:51.26`	`Dhraga`	`=)`
`12:51.37`	`Herio`	`when my guild broke up cause we couldn't down the emps, and a bunch of our core members xfered, it kept going =)`
`12:51.42`	`Dhraga`	`Herio, do you guys still slummin in MC somtimes ?`
`12:51.49`	`Herio`	`nope`
`12:51.54`	`Herio`	`it's a seperate raid`
`12:52.06`	`Herio`	`mostly the same faces, hitting it, tho`
`12:52.38`	`Herio`	`we off loaded BWL last week too, to make room for c'thun attempts`
`12:52.39`	`Dhraga`	`Ah yes, same here, often we let newcommers run around in MC a while before bringing them into bwl`
`12:52.46`	`Herio`	`it was our first real week of attempts`
`12:52.52`	`Dhraga`	`hard ?`
`12:53.00`	`Herio`	`considerably`
`12:53.04`	`Dhraga`	`hehe`
`12:53.14`	`Dhraga`	`Herio, what class do you play btw ?`
`12:53.15`	`Herio`	`it has a high individual learning curve`
`12:53.17`	`Herio`	`lock`
`12:53.23`	`Dhraga`	`<- lock also`
`12:53.26`	`Herio`	`i top the charts =P`
`12:53.30`	`Herio`	`7/0/44`
`12:53.34`	`Arrowmaster`	`also lock lol`
`12:53.48`	`phyber`	`< lock`
`12:53.50`	`Arrowmaster`	`41/0/10`
`12:53.51`	`Dhraga`	`how did you guys like the silent nerf on CoA and Corruption`
`12:53.54`	`Herio`	`psh`
`12:53.59`	`Herio`	`no fun =P`
`12:54.02`	`Dhraga`	`mmm`
`12:54.05`	`[Ammo]`	`I still kill people with 2 dots`
`12:54.06`	`Herio`	`silent nerf?`
`12:54.07`	`[Ammo]`	`who cares`
`12:54.13`	`phyber`	`10%, I'll live with it.`
`12:54.14`	`[Ammo]`	`10-15% nerf on damage on coa and cor`
`12:54.17`	`Nargiddley`	`7/0/44 <3`
`12:54.21`	`Herio`	`dotting isn't fun in pvp =(`
`12:54.21`	`Matrix110`	`I would rather want DoTs not ticking after warlock death...`
`12:54.26`	`Herio`	`it's pretty lame imo`
`12:54.26`	`[Ammo]`	`dotting owns in pvp`
`12:54.29`	`Herio`	`it owns`
`12:54.32`	`Herio`	`but it isn't fun`
`12:54.33`	`Matrix110`	`bit retarted if i sit down and eat and still die..`
`12:54.33`	`[Ammo]`	`in AB I have usually 12-15 dots running`
`12:54.37`	`Dhraga`	`Silent nerf : http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=62082150&sid=1&pageNo=1`
`12:54.37`	`[Ammo]`	`according to chronometer ;)`
`12:54.38`	`Herio`	`it's a cheap lame tactic`
`12:54.47`	`Arrowmaster`	`dots ticking after warlock dies is great`
`12:54.54`	`[Ammo]`	`but then again I am 44 affliction 7 demo spec'd`
`12:54.56`	`Arrowmaster`	`its how i solo defend stables vs pugs`
`12:55.18`	`Matrix110`	`DoTs doesnt prevent capturing?`
`12:55.24`	`Fisker-`	`nope`
`12:55.26`	`zac`	`it does if it kills them`
`12:55.26`	`Fisker-`	`only DD`
`12:55.32`	`Fisker-`	`heh yeah of course :P`
`12:55.33`	`Matrix110`	`Fisker i know that`
`12:55.37`	`Matrix110`	`i mean to Arrowmaster`
`12:55.38`	`Matrix110`	`:P`
`12:55.40`	`Arrowmaster`	`no it doesnt but i can kill like 8 people before they cap`
`12:56.17`	`Matrix110`	`best thing was: mage defending Farm i polymorph him but ofc it breaks after 6secs... then he Blizzards me and i still cap rofl`
`12:56.19`	`Herio`	`what was the actual nerf?`
`12:56.34`	`Matrix110`	`+spell dmg bonus on DoTs got reduced`
`12:56.40`	`Herio`	`uhm`
`12:56.49`	`Arrowmaster`	`blizzard cant stop flag capping unless the mage has imp blizzard and it procs afaik`
`12:56.52`	`Herio`	`they normalized the calculations`
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`12:56.57`	`Herio`	`they didn't nerf it`
`12:56.59`	`[Ammo]`	`not on Unstable Affliction thoguh`
`12:57.01`	`Matrix110`	`i know Arrowmaster that is the funny thing about id:P`
`12:57.03`	`[Ammo]`	`that got buffed :p`
`12:57.05`	`Matrix110`	`*it`
`12:57.05`	`[Ammo]`	`:)`
`12:57.12`	`Arrowmaster`	`UA got buffed? good`
`12:57.15`	`[Ammo]`	`yarr`
`12:57.17`	`Dhraga`	`Pre 2.0 patch the CoA and Corruption recived 100% +spelldmg, then it got upped to 120% and folks whined, now they have lowerd it to 93%`
`12:57.26`	`Fisker-`	`What about the damage cap on Seed of Corruption?`
`12:57.27`	`Herio`	`uhm`
`12:57.29`	`Herio`	`well`
`12:57.34`	`Fisker-`	`That spell was so funny`
`12:57.41`	`[Ammo]`	`don't know about seed`
`12:57.47`	`[Ammo]`	`but it pwns AB`
`12:57.50`	`Dhraga`	`nor do I`
`12:57.55`	`Herio`	`they had to have nerfed the DoT +dmg bonus`
`12:57.56`	`Arrowmaster`	`wait lowered to 93%? wtf why`
`12:57.58`	`Herio`	`not just those two`
`12:58.05`	`Herio`	`FOR FUCKS SAKE`
`12:58.10`	`Herio`	`they changed the calculation`
`12:58.13`	`Herio`	`not nerfed the spell`
`12:58.16`	`Matrix110`	`Because you are overpowered Arrowmaster?!`
`12:58.16`	`Herio`	`get it right`
`12:58.30`	`Arrowmaster`	`but why does it have to be worse than pre 2.0`
`12:58.30`	`zac`	`uh, reducing the amount of +dmg it takes is the same as nerfing the spell`
`12:58.32`	`Herio`	`it's a standard calculation applied to all dots now`
`12:58.48`	`Dhraga`	`Yes Arrow.... your doing less dmg with Corruption and CoA now than before the patch`
`12:58.52`	`zac`	`my corruption does like 351 right now, it's going to do quite a bit less come a few days.`
`12:59.03`	`Herio`	`yes`
`12:59.08`	`Matrix110`	`no naked Corruption/CoA does the same damage as before:P`
`12:59.19`	`Dhraga`	`Ah yes true`
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`12:59.44`	`Herio`	`well there's this thing called non sequitur resoning`
`12:59.46`	`Herio`	`you're using it`
`13:01.13`	`Dhraga`	`in the 2.0.3 patch nots they state that the Felguard will be nerfed in dmg output, but they also states the changes regarding soul link that are already active.... is the nerfed feguard dmg also already active... or will it be ?`
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`13:01.51`	`Arrowmaster`	`never trust the patch notes`
`13:01.57`	`Dhraga`	`hehe`
`13:02.05`	`Arrowmaster`	`they always seem to be a few patches behind`
`13:02.26`	`Dhraga`	`mmmmm true`
`13:02.36`	`Dhraga`	`zac: how much +dmg you got ?`
`13:02.43`	`zac`	`like 630?`
`13:02.48`	`Dhraga`	`sweet`
`13:02.51`	`Neebler`	`Does Visor2 allow the user to anchor one frame to another?`
`13:03.00`	`sylvanaar`	`how to i correct the tbc client to connect to hellfire or is hellfire down`
`13:03.01`	`Herio`	`i have 627`
`13:03.01`	`CIA-17`	`03darkimakuni * r24231 10Visor2GUI/ (Core.lua Visor2GUI.toc Visor2GUI.xml):`
`13:03.01`	`CIA-17`	`Visor2GUI`
`13:03.02`	`CIA-17`	`- TOC updated to 20003`
`13:03.02`	`CIA-17`	`- Visor2 GUI is no longer a Visor2 module, hopefully this will fix a minor bug in DeuceCommander.`
`13:03.03`	`Dhraga`	`Meeting time, afk`
`13:03.14`	`Herio`	`and 25% crit after devesation`
`13:03.14`	`Herio`	`and 8% hit`
`13:03.18`	`Arrowmaster`	`like when they nerfed the spectral essense so that you couldnt use it outside of the island scholo is on they also moved the magistrate guy from upstairs in scholo to right outside, the next patch notes said they fixed it so you could talk to him again when really there was never a problem`
`13:03.47`	`Arrowmaster`	`681 for me`
`13:04.01`	`Ordog`	`+68 here!`
`13:04.06`	`Ordog`	`^^`
`13:04.18`	`Herio`	`what's your hit and crit? =)`
`13:04.36`	`Ordog`	`shitloads of + heal tho`
`13:04.38`	`Arrowmaster`	`4% hit i think right now and 7.5% crit`
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`13:04.45`	`Arrowmaster`	`but im all affliction`
`13:04.53`	`Herio`	`damn`
`13:05.18`	`Herio`	`what kind of gear are you using to get that much imbalance? o.O`
`13:05.18`	`Arrowmaster`	`got tons of gear to swap around to change up stats though`
`13:05.50`	`Arrowmaster`	`non aq40/naxx gear`
`13:06.08`	`Herio`	`hm`
`13:06.09`	`Arrowmaster`	`http://ctprofiles.net/71260`
`13:06.10`	`Matrix110`	`Warlocks got way to many +Shadow dmg Items-.-`
`13:06.17`	`Herio`	`uhm`
`13:06.19`	`Herio`	`no`
`13:06.23`	`Herio`	`shadow priests did`
`13:06.31`	`Matrix110`	`2 epic +frost dmg items ingame...`
`13:06.34`	`*** join/#wowace abbat-w (i=abbat@moo.efnet.org)`
`13:06.36`	`Herio`	`no`
`13:06.40`	`Srosh`	`US servers already back up?`
`13:06.41`	`Herio`	`there's more`
`13:06.46`	`Matrix110`	`nope Herio:P`
`13:06.47`	`Herio`	`besides`
`13:06.53`	`Ordog`	`got 2 +19 shadow res rings to swap on when i see a wl coming ;P`
`13:06.58`	`Herio`	`if you're frost, you need to respec to fire =P`
`13:07.08`	`pahvir`	`frost is nice in exp :o`
`13:07.11`	`Herio`	`at least if you want to do damage after BWL =)`
`13:07.14`	`Matrix110`	`orwell i dont mean the AV offhand it exists for everything`
`13:07.27`	`Matrix110`	`Herio iam on par with all Fire Mages :)`
`13:07.35`	`Arrowmaster`	`check my gear, got perty much the best possible pre aq40/naxx and actually have some of the best gear on my server for a lock`
`13:07.36`	`Matrix110`	`and they needed to steal other Ignites`
`13:07.36`	`Herio`	`"all"?`
`13:07.43`	`pahvir`	`dont think it really matters atm when expansion comes :P`
`13:07.49`	`Matrix110`	`*the ones in my raid`
`13:08.21`	`Herio`	`rockfury bracers`
`13:08.21`	`Herio`	`now`
`13:08.41`	`Arrowmaster`	`lazy`
`13:08.48`	`nee-lap`	`To me it does :)`
`13:08.54`	`Herio`	`black blizzard pants`
`13:09.03`	`Arrowmaster`	`??`
`13:09.07`	`Arrowmaster`	`you mean fel infused?`
`13:09.12`	`Matrix110`	`nah`
`13:09.17`	`Matrix110`	`he means Leggings of the Black Blizzard`
`13:09.25`	`Arrowmaster`	`i wouldnt wear them if i had them`
`13:09.26`	`Adirelle\|work`	`lots of nice UI changes in the 2.0.3`
`13:09.27`	`Matrix110`	`110 Armor`
`13:09.27`	`Matrix110`	`+14 Stamina`
`13:09.27`	`Matrix110`	`+16 Intellect`
`13:09.27`	`Matrix110`	`+8 Spirit`
`13:09.32`	`Matrix110`	`41dmg 1% crit`
`13:09.42`	`Herio`	`fel infused are nice too =P`
`13:09.42`	`Arrowmaster`	`3/8 nem bonus makes nem pants better`
`13:09.50`	`Herio`	`oh, i see that now`
`13:10.03`	`Herio`	`i'm 1 c'thun drop from ditching the 3/8`
`13:10.22`	`Arrowmaster`	`i would of had fel infused from my first kazzak kill but a fucking scrub won them and never used them`
`13:10.22`	`Herio`	`and i have enough DKP to get 2 drops before the next guy =)`
`13:10.32`	`Herio`	`all we have to do is kill him`
`13:10.44`	`Arrowmaster`	`heh dkp`
`13:10.58`	`Herio`	`you use loot council?`
`13:11.01`	`Matrix110`	`after a 3% wipe @cthun we needed 3 weeks until we killed him because ppl decided to not come anymore...`
`13:11.04`	`Arrowmaster`	`no`
`13:11.15`	`Herio`	`what then?`
`13:11.19`	`Arrowmaster`	`we use dkp but i always have more than anybody else`
`13:12.02`	`Herio`	`me too`
`13:12.16`	`Herio`	`i went into this group with 5/8 nemesis, and we hadn't touched BWL`
`13:12.27`	`Herio`	`and 7/8 nemesis`
`13:12.31`	`Herio`	`err`
`13:12.37`	`Herio`	`fel heart`
`13:12.52`	`Herio`	`took me like 12 weeks of farming nef for my robe to drop`
`13:13.01`	`Arrowmaster`	`when we stoped raidng i had max dkp earned, current top dkp, highest attendance, and i think 2nd for most dkp spent`
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`13:13.22`	`DrZoot`	`my guild had 9 nem robes drop in the space of about 5 weeks`
`13:13.26`	`Ordog`	`how was your RL going on then? ;P`
`13:13.42`	`Herio`	`when you raid 2 nights a week`
`13:13.47`	`Herio`	`it doesn't really take a toll`
`13:13.57`	`DrZoot`	`we had so many double nem drops it was stupid, and the guild only had 3 warlocks in total`
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`13:14.10`	`Arrowmaster`	`i think we had only 2 nem robes drop total`
`13:14.20`	`Fisker-`	`is US up and running 2.0.3 yet?`
`13:14.29`	`Arrowmaster`	`i would have had the first ones but my cable went out for an hour when nef was at 20%`
`13:14.36`	`Matrix110`	`doubt it in US its like 7.00 yet or?`
`13:14.53`	`Fisker-`	`ok :O`
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`13:15.11`	`Matrix110`	`5-8`
`13:15.14`	`Ordog`	`http://web.t-online.hu/oro18/bepalaset.jpg`
`13:15.17`	`Matrix110`	`where was Blizzard located again?`
`13:15.20`	`Ordog`	`where did this come from then`
`13:15.30`	`Herio`	`hrm crashed`
`13:15.44`	`Herio`	`well for me it was raid 8-11 fri and sat night`
`13:15.52`	`Matrix110`	`Ordog could be PTR:P`
`13:15.57`	`Herio`	`step out the door and find the first party i could and get wasted`
`13:16.07`	`Ordog`	`hm couldbe!`
`13:16.08`	`Herio`	`http://ctprofiles.net/94784 -- my gear btw`
`13:16.21`	`Herio`	`i should get to sleep tho`
`13:16.23`	`Ordog`	`totally forgot about the ptrs since im on beta -.-`
`13:16.51`	`Matrix110`	`and Werik is a Belf Paladin so it is PTR:P`
`13:17.00`	`Arrowmaster`	`cry Touch of Chaos`
`13:17.33`	`Arrowmaster`	`the one item i cant get`
`13:17.35`	`Matrix110`	`Green Wands ftw`
`13:17.35`	`Matrix110`	`!`
`13:17.37`	`Gagorian`	`pff, touch of chaos. I was lucky enough to get one of those +20 shadow damage wands before they got nerfed :p`
`13:17.57`	`DrZoot`	`ouch, I remember last week someone put together a scoreboard sorting mod for the bg scroreboard, looks like blizzard have implemented their own`
`13:18.04`	`Arrowmaster`	`ive got a fucking Ritssyn's Wand of Bad Mojo`
`13:18.05`	`Matrix110`	`http://ctprofiles.net/7338`
`13:18.14`	`Matrix110`	`those Wands own most:P`
`13:18.37`	`Fisker-`	`in irvine Matrix110`
`13:18.46`	`Fisker-`	`irvine, california`
`13:18.54`	`[Ammo]`	`hmm Matrix110 member of apotheo :p`
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`13:19.08`	`Matrix110`	`well not member:P`
`13:19.12`	`Matrix110`	`its outdated`
`13:19.19`	`[Ammo]`	`hehe`
`13:19.26`	`Arrowmaster`	`i would like pay somebody real money to put a +21 (or 22?) wand of shadow wrath on an alt and transfer it to my server and give it to me if i knew somebody with one`
`13:19.29`	`[Ammo]`	`Kazzak EU is well represented here :p`
`13:19.33`	`[Ammo]`	`SoLoR, you, me :)`
`13:19.38`	`Matrix110`	`Srosh aswell!`
`13:19.39`	`Fisker-`	`hmmm Ordog`
`13:19.42`	`Matrix110`	`but hes inactive`
`13:19.43`	`Fisker-`	`what barmod is that?`
`13:20.21`	`Matrix110`	`Arrowmaster there is a +23dmg wand dropped from 62+ mobs but we never ever found a +frost one in MC/Onyxia before they nerfed them:-(`
`13:20.59`	`Matrix110`	`http://www.thottbot.com/?i=36483`
`13:21.03`	`Mikma`	`ttp://www.fantasticfourmovie.com/US/index.html`
`13:21.11`	`Mikma`	`s/ttp/http/`
`13:21.35`	`abbat_w_`	`I got +21 frost dmg green wand from trashmob in stat about year ago`
`13:21.51`	`abbat_w_`	`or 23, don't remember`
`13:21.55`	`Arrowmaster`	`i wish i could get a +23 shadow wand`
`13:21.58`	`*** join/#wowace jjb (n=jjb@p6323e3d4.np.schlund.de)`
`13:22.08`	`Arrowmaster`	`since from what ive seen it would still be better than anything in TBC`
`13:22.10`	`Silviu--`	`http://ctprofiles.net/396900`
`13:22.14`	`abbat_w_`	`it was on archimonde@us and i never see this wand again`
`13:22.26`	`Silviu--`	`Arrowmaster check it :P`
`13:22.28`	`Industrial`	`"You dont have permission to loot that corpse." thats actually pretty funny :P`
`13:22.28`	`jjb`	`hiho`
`13:22.48`	`Arrowmaster`	`Silviu-: hate you`
`13:22.53`	`Mikma`	`Industrial: cropsel lotoer!!1`
`13:23.03`	`Silviu--`	`:P`
`13:23.22`	`Arrowmaster`	`btw one of your trinkets sucks`
`13:23.25`	`Silviu--`	`And have t3 gloves too but less dmg then Dark storm`
`13:23.25`	`Matrix110`	`a warlock with crit Oo`
`13:23.35`	`DrZoot`	`oh snap, life giving gem got nurfed hard`
`13:23.40`	`Silviu--`	`Yes with crit i�m Sm/ruin`
`13:23.42`	`Arrowmaster`	`old news`
`13:23.54`	`Arrowmaster`	`and actually it should be a buff for now`
`13:24.02`	`kenlyric\|work`	`some people are crazy and don't read patch notes until release day :)`
`13:24.15`	`Arrowmaster`	`only a nerf if the warrior has more than 10k HP`
`13:24.38`	Funkeh`	`why is everyone updating toc?`
`13:24.49`	`Matrix110`	`2.0.3 has a new Toc`
`13:24.52`	`DrZoot`	`cause its thanged`
`13:24.54`	Funkeh`	`i know that`
`13:24.58`	`DrZoot`	`s/thanged/changed`
`13:25.04`	Funkeh`	`but its too early yet`
`13:25.05`	`Silviu--`	`Arrowmaster yes but nothing better atm then that eye of beast ... eye of siminuation only one time dropped`
`13:25.29`	`Nargiddley`	`US servers are down for the patch atm, why too soon ?`
`13:25.32`	`Silviu--`	Funkeh` US got patched and us Eu tonight :P
`13:25.35`	Funkeh`	`we have like another week or something till tbc`
`13:25.41`	Funkeh`	`serious?`
`13:25.44`	`Silviu--`	`Yes`
`13:25.55`	Funkeh`	`so what do we get next week?`
`13:26.04`	`kenlyric\|work`	`uh. who said we got anything next week?`
`13:26.10`	`Matrix110`	`Next week=TBC`
`13:26.21`	`Arrowmaster`	`we get keys to enter on the website that allow us into outland`
`13:26.26`	Funkeh`	`is there some blue somewhere explaining this?`
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`13:26.36`	`Matrix110`	What do you want explained Funkeh`?
`13:26.50`	Funkeh`	`why they changed their minds`
`13:27.09`	`Matrix110`	`on what?`
`13:27.23`	`Matrix110`	`that they realease a 2nd patch before actualy TBC hit?`
`13:27.23`	Funkeh`	`well its completely unexpected to get patched topday/tomorow`
`13:27.28`	Funkeh`	`no warning or anything`
`13:27.33`	`kenlyric\|work`	`um, yes warning.`
`13:27.33`	`Matrix110`	`no its known since 2days Oo`
`13:27.39`	`kenlyric\|work`	`they told US realms three days ago.`
`13:27.44`	Funkeh`	`well there you go`
`13:27.46`	Funkeh`	`link me that blue`
`13:27.50`	`kenlyric\|work`	`blue?`
`13:27.54`	`kenlyric\|work`	`it's when you login to the game.`
`13:28.09`	`kenlyric\|work`	`servers down at 3am PST means patch. Always`
`13:28.12`	`Matrix110`	`http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=107651780&sid=3`
`13:28.30`	`Matrix110`	`but they said it somewhere else already 2days ago`
`13:28.37`	Funkeh`	`thanks you Matrix110`
`13:28.42`	`kenlyric\|work`	`oh, and, also a blue :)`
`13:28.50`	`kenlyric\|work`	`damn you europeans!`
`13:29.02`	`Matrix110`	`http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=107621854&sid=3 Patchnotes btw`
`13:29.17`	Funkeh`	`thanks`
`13:29.20`	`kenlyric\|work`	`it's funny how non-secretive they are on the EU servers.`
`13:29.24`	Funkeh`	`totaly took me by shock tbh`
`13:29.29`	Funkeh`	`eu have heard nothing of it`
`13:29.31`	`Fisker-`	`anyone know some nice paladin addons?`
`13:29.42`	`Health`	`kenlyric\|work: Um. In EU we never get info directly from devs as you get :)`
`13:29.53`	`Health`	`And our concerns has to go through our CMs before they hit the devs`
`13:30.01`	Funkeh`	`err`
`13:30.05`	`kenlyric\|work`	`We have devs? where!`
`13:30.06`	Funkeh`	`we only just learnt today`
`13:30.09`	Funkeh`	`that explains it? :P`
`13:30.15`	`Fisker-`	`us is somewhat the same deal`
`13:30.26`	`Fisker-`	`Info go through CM's as well`
`13:30.49`	`Fisker-`	`i think the key difference in the EU is that we don't have CMs that forward anything`
`13:31.11`	`Health`	`That's true :P`
`13:31.18`	`Fisker-`	`the "Fuck you blizzard"-topic was even up for several days before being deleted on the beta forums :D`
`13:31.23`	`Fisker-`	`that was funny`
`13:31.25`	`kenlyric\|work`	`well, not talking about this in particular, but there's all sorts of times that stuff gets leaked to the EU realms first. I think probably because you're less likely to be sued in the EU.`
`13:31.26`	`Health`	`Our CMs doesn't have the same communication with the devs`
`13:32.47`	`Fisker-`	`The reason why EU sometimes get something before the US is so that it seems that the US community isn't spoiled`
`13:34.33`	`krka`	`i get lots of first hand info from slouken`
`13:34.57`	`Health`	`Do you go down on him?`
`13:35.01`	`krka`	`ofc`
`13:35.46`	`Health`	`H_E_H_E`
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`13:37.57`	`Matrix110`	`Pets will no longer attack targets that are under the influence of crowd control (sheep, banish, etc.).`
`13:37.59`	`Matrix110`	`wtf-.-`
`13:38.33`	`Adirelle\|work`	`Matrix110 : put a pet on aggressive`
`13:38.42`	`Adirelle\|work`	`aggro a mob and lure it into a freeze trap`
`13:38.53`	`Matrix110`	`My pet is called Water Element:P`
`13:38.57`	`Adirelle\|work`	`then go close enough for your pet to see it => in 2.0.1 it will attack it`
`13:39.03`	`Trancer`	`you need to respec then Matrix110`
`13:39.06`	`Trancer`	`and it won't attack anymore!`
`13:39.08`	`Matrix110`	`never!`
`13:39.08`	`Adirelle\|work`	`in 2.0.3 in wouldn't`
`13:39.14`	`Matrix110`	`it SHOULD attack!`
`13:39.22`	`Trancer`	`overnuking mage detected! ^^`
`13:39.26`	`Matrix110`	`i sheep my targets just that they cant annoy me during my casttime!`
`13:39.39`	`Adirelle\|work`	`Matrix110 : don't get it wrong`
`13:39.52`	`Adirelle\|work`	`this will just prevent attacking on behalf of the AI`
`13:40.00`	`Matrix110`	`oh ic`
`13:40.03`	`Matrix110`	`then its ok`
`13:40.38`	`Matrix110`	`nice Feral Bears get more buffs`
`13:40.47`	`Adirelle\|work`	`they're just improving pet AI a bit more (oh, well, maybe it is just bug fixes ;))`
`13:41.29`	`Matrix110`	`Bears Amor Bonus 100% increase wtf`
`13:41.40`	`kenlyric\|work`	`damn, nothing about riding skill in the patch notes.`
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`13:42.48`	`Matrix110`	`I wonder when Mages get a new Icon aswell!`
`13:45.54`	`jjb`	`is it true that you can use the mouseover-macro to nonsecure unitframes atm?`
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`13:49.26`	`kagaro`	`morning`
`13:49.42`	`Lothlunae`	`hello`
`13:49.44`	`jjb`	`good afternoon :)`
`13:49.57`	`Neebler`	`good 5:49 AM`
`13:50.07`	`Neebler`	`pacific standard time`
`13:50.21`	`jjb`	`2:49 pm :)`
`13:50.33`	`kenlyric\|work`	`Remember, it's always morning when you join, and evening when you leave.`
`13:50.43`	`Neebler`	`indeed, I cannot recall the name of that rule`
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`13:51.15`	`beerke`	`anyone is hunter and has a turtle pet and can do a /print GetPetFoodTypes()`
`13:51.29`	`beerke`	`and give me result back please ;)`
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`13:52.50`	`Neebler`	`Medivh was my first server. ah the good old days of being an undead priest`
`13:53.06`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`Medivh was my first server as well`
`13:53.24`	`kenlyric\|work`	`My server is bigger than you and can beat you up.`
`13:53.25`	`beerke`	`Thunderhorn forever !`
`13:53.31`	`kenlyric\|work`	`I mean, your server up.`
`13:53.31`	`beerke`	`EU ofc ...`
`13:53.43`	`ilifin`	`pft beerke`
`13:53.45`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`First Ragnaros, First AQ, sorry, your server fails`
`13:54.00`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`also a lot of BWL firsts, but those don't count`
`13:54.08`	`kenlyric\|work`	`WE had first Crocemor.`
`13:54.14`	`Neebler`	`I was in Vindication, horde side`
`13:54.14`	`kenlyric\|work`	`US > YOU`
`13:54.18`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`FIRST HOGGER FOO!`
`13:54.32`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`Neebler, I was GL of Heroic Few`
`13:54.39`	`Daemona`	`gdm stfu about first kills`
`13:54.52`	`[Ammo]`	`ok guys. E-Peens on the table`
`13:54.54`	`[Ammo]`	`time to measure them`
`13:54.55`	`kenlyric\|work`	`Yes, but we have more female night elf hunter goldfarmers than you.`
`13:54.58`	`Neebler`	`I was the first to make up the concept of first kills~`
`13:55.01`	`kenlyric\|work`	`AKA, highest population.`
`13:55.01`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`Mine is huuuuuuge`
`13:55.02`	`beerke`	`i got 7/9 T3 !`
`13:55.03`	`kagaro`	`ck: ping`
`13:55.28`	`Daemona`	`you want epeen? first BE paladin in beta is something to epeen about`
`13:55.39`	`beerke`	`Killed Ragnaros, Emeralds, Onyxia, BWL, Prophet, Ouro and all in Naxx as guild first !`
`13:55.40`	`Daemona`	`(at lvl 70 oc)`
`13:55.50`	`kenlyric\|work`	`Daemona: no, that's just pathetic :)`
`13:55.56`	`beerke`	`ow and i forgot ossirian`
`13:55.56`	`kagaro`	`afk :(`
`13:56.01`	`beerke`	`feed my e-peen please`
`13:56.14`	`ilifin`	`your petname sux, beerke`
`13:56.26`	`SoLoR`	`beerke your epeen is \|-\| big`
`13:56.28`	`beerke`	`Pff don't touch my pet !`
`13:56.32`	`ilifin`	`Maud sux!`
`13:56.33`	`kenlyric\|work`	`Daemona: that's like being really proud you had sex with a really hot girl in your dreams. Doesn't actually count :)`
`13:56.43`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`Neebler, Medivh horde-side hasn't been any fun lately though, since Ascent left and Vindi broke up`
`13:56.48`	`beerke`	`ilifin, she actually does, but that is a complete diff matter`
`13:56.49`	`Daemona`	`thats why epeen-ing is BS`
`13:56.51`	`kenlyric\|work`	`Bea Arthur rocks!`
`13:56.59`	`ilifin`	`beerke - olol`
`13:57.02`	`Trancer`	`Maud is my universities pride :(`
`13:57.29`	`Neebler`	`yea I logged in recently and its a whole lot of people I don't know, plus no familiar guilds`
`13:57.33`	`ilifin`	`maud is beerke's pet, who served as a poor attempt at emulating zeliek @ 4hm`
`13:57.35`	`ilifin`	`:<`
`13:58.10`	`beerke`	`He did well`
`13:58.19`	`kenlyric\|work`	`god, I hope I"m not forever trapped clawing my way up through inferior guilds again.`
`13:58.21`	`beerke`	`btw, did i mention i tanked GWF as hunter`
`13:58.35`	`ilifin`	`gwf?`
`13:58.38`	`beerke`	`anyways back to coding and updating mods`
`13:58.48`	`beerke`	`Grand Widow Faerlina`
`13:58.54`	`ilifin`	`oh right`
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`14:01.53`	`CIA-17`	`03funkydude * r24232 10PeriodicTable-2.0/PeriodicTable-2.0.toc: PeriodicTable-2.0: toc 20003`
`14:02.16`	`CIA-17`	`03funkydude * r24233 10Babble-2.2/Babble-2.2.toc: Babble-2.2: toc 20003`
`14:02.24`	`kenlyric\|work`	`so if the toc isn't updated, will 20001 mods not work?`
`14:02.36`	`ilifin`	`they will be out of date`
`14:02.42`	`ilifin`	`but Load out of date addons!`
`14:02.42`	`kenlyric\|work`	`but not incompatible?`
`14:02.44`	`ilifin`	`so uh`
`14:02.46`	`beerke`	`anyways Prat breaks PrivateChat, causing an error in Prat.lua line 925 in strlen, bad argument #1, string expected, got nil`
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`14:03.51`	`Neebler`	`hmmmm. I think I'll steal the code from PirateSpeak to make a CockneySpeak, whadda yah say Gov?`
`14:05.35`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`can you do it in rhyming cockney slang?`
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`14:10.46`	`oxman`	`Hey, I've an idea about targeting addon`
`14:10.56`	`oxman`	`Its an idea come from Vanguard (other MMorpg)`
`14:11.06`	`oxman`	`I don't play at wow anymore, so i'll not create this addon`
`14:11.09`	`oxman`	`But let me explain.`
`14:11.33`	`oxman`	`The basic idea its two target, a defensive target, and a offensive target`
`14:11.46`	`oxman`	`When you cast attack spell, the spell is cast on the offensive target`
`14:11.54`	`Adirelle\|work`	`oxman : err... you know that addon targetting is dead with 2.0 ?`
`14:12.00`	`oxman`	`When you cast defensive spell (buff, heal) the spell go on the defensive target`
`14:12.12`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`don't need an addon for that`
`14:12.12`	`oxman`	`You can make this addon with the 2.0 Adirelle\|work`
`14:12.17`	`oxman`	`Neuro_Medivh I know`
`14:12.25`	`Arrowmaster`	`oxman, it already exists, its called /focus`
`14:12.28`	`oxman`	`But with two real target (frame I mean), its more visual`
`14:12.46`	`oxman`	`and focus is only a way to get a saved target`
`14:12.52`	`oxman`	`not specially a friend target`
`14:13.05`	`oxman`	`with a dedicated friend target you can cast automatically your defensive target on it`
`14:13.23`	`Lothlunae`	`hello here, what's the best "guild bank" AddOn you ever exeprienced ?`
`14:13.27`	`Neebler`	`oooooh so thats what the Focus frame is for in ag_unitframes and several other addons. I never knew about /focus until just now`
`14:13.42`	`Arrowmaster`	`you wont be able to change the 'defensive' target in combat unless you use focus`
`14:13.51`	`oxman`	`but when you've a focus target, you don't cast your heal/buff automatically on it right ?`
`14:14.01`	`oxman`	`I know Arrowmaster :)`
`14:14.05`	`Adirelle\|work`	`oxman: I see, that would need some work on button I think (to find out if a spell is offensive or friendly), but it could be done`
`14:14.10`	`Arrowmaster`	`no but if you setup your macros and other stuff correctly you could`
`14:14.16`	`Adirelle\|work`	`s/button I/action buttons I/`
`14:14.30`	`oxman`	`Yes it can be done`
`14:14.40`	`oxman`	`I don't make this addon because I don't play wow anymore`
`14:14.54`	`oxman`	`But I think its good/great idea (remember not mine, it come from Vanguard)`
`14:15.15`	`oxman`	`Its very very useful in Vanguard, and I think it will be very useful in wow too`
`14:15.22`	`oxman`	`(specially for healer :p)`
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`14:17.15`	`Lothlunae`	`is there any interrested people in developping a simple "guild bank" for money ? If yes, what should be the price ?`
`14:17.30`	`Adirelle\|work`	`oxman : in fact, something like alt+click on button to force casting on focus could do the trick`
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`14:17.46`	`Adirelle\|work`	`(well, alt or any other free modifier key)`
`14:18.27`	`oxman`	`or without a key, its still better ;)`
`14:21.04`	`Adirelle\|work`	`yep... dunno if it would be so hard to implement, maybe not`
`14:22.32`	`Lothlunae`	`:/`
`14:22.36`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`just macro your heal spell, /cast [help] HealSpell; [target=focus] HealSpell`
`14:22.50`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`if your target is friendly, it heals em, if not, it heals your focus`
`14:23.00`	`oxman`	`Yep, its very easy to do :)`
`14:23.27`	`Matrix110`	`there are actionbars that choose a spell depending on what your target is Friendly or Enemy and cast Heal or SW:P`
`14:23.34`	`CIA-17`	`03ag * r24234 10ag_UnitFrames/ (10 files in 2 dirs):`
`14:23.34`	`CIA-17`	`ag_UnitFrames`
`14:23.34`	`CIA-17`	`<PROTECTED>`
`14:23.35`	`oxman`	`A visual and easy way to set focus, like Shift+clique on an unit setfocus and not target this unit`
`14:23.36`	`oxman`	`:)`
`14:24.07`	`oxman`	`Then modify the arg of your bars to do like a macro`
`14:24.33`	`Adirelle\|work`	`yes... I'll keep this idea`
`14:25.50`	`Adirelle\|work`	`btw, I was thinking of making a smartdebuff-like addon to Grid : 1) add limited clickcasting setting ability + 2) add loadable class profiles to setup clickcasting and display`
`14:25.57`	`Adirelle\|work`	`s/addon/module/`
`14:26.45`	`vhaarr`	ag`: if type(var) == "string" then is nil-safe.
`14:27.47`	`Adirelle\|work`	`like "priest profile" : display only magic debuffs and diseases and bind left click to dispell magic and right click to heal disease (or whatever the spell that remove disease is named)`
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`14:29.14`	`oxman`	`clique is here for that :)`
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`14:37.14`	`doktoreas`	`is perfect raid beta available with ace updater?`
`14:37.21`	`Nomad_Wanderer`	`no`
`14:37.26`	`Mikma`	`damn. Stealth-swap is (nearly) impossible to do with Blizzards default buttons ;(`
`14:38.07`	`Nomad_Wanderer`	`Perfect raid will not be available on ace updater at all`
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`14:38.13`	`Nomad_Wanderer`	`you need to go to cladhaire's site`
`14:38.16`	`doktoreas`	`ok Nomad_Wanderer thx`
`14:38.16`	`Kirkburn`	`So the 2.0.3 toc is 20003?`
`14:38.33`	`vhaarr`	`Anyone got patch notes for 2.0.3?`
`14:38.44`	`Matrix110`	`yes`
`14:38.49`	`Matrix110`	`do you want them?!`
`14:38.54`	`Nomad_Wanderer`	`pastey?>`
`14:38.55`	`abbat_w`	`vhaarr: http://ace.pastey.net/4785`
`14:39.01`	`Thorgard`	`Patch today?`
`14:39.02`	`vhaarr`	`thanks`
`14:39.14`	`Matrix110`	`Thorgard on US yes EU tomorrow`
`14:39.24`	`Thorgard`	`Ah, coolies.`
`14:40.12`	`CIA-17`	`03eraslin * r24235 10DKPmon_eqDKP/PHP/dkpMon2Export.php: DKPmon_eqDKP: Bug fix to php export script by Dahn.`
`14:40.45`	`Kirkburn`	`"A stirring of events has begun throughout Azeroth and rumor points to the Dark Portal as its source." :)`
`14:40.55`	`vhaarr`	`wtf, 2nd druid review?`
`14:41.00`	`Matrix110`	`yes`
`14:41.01`	`CIA-17`	`03eraslin * r24236 10DKPmon/Looting/lootitem.lua: DKPmon: Remove :SetOwner call on GameTooltip. It's causing issues with some addons.`
`14:41.12`	`Matrix110`	`they get buffed in Feral because they werent imba enough`
`14:41.21`	`vhaarr`	`hah, that's bullcrap`
`14:41.24`	`CIA-17`	`03eraslin * r24237 10Bidder/Looting/lootitem.lua: Bidder: Remove :SetOwner call on GameTooltip. It's causing issues with some addons.`
`14:41.53`	`Kirkburn`	`lol ""Misdirection" will now redirect the threat from "Distracting Shot"."`
`14:42.04`	`wizbor`	`Bartender3 Question, proper method for setting up profile for multiple toons. Log into toon, select profile/class:warrior(name-server) setup UI, log out, loginto 2nd toon and repeat. Is this the correct way so I dont loose my UI everytime I change toons?`
`14:42.28`	`phyber`	`vhaarr: those taken from the 2.0.3 updater?`
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`14:42.38`	`phyber`	`uhh, sorry.`
`14:42.40`	`phyber`	`abbat_w:`
`14:42.42`	`vhaarr`	`phyber: I got the patch notes from abbat_w`
`14:42.48`	`phyber`	`yeah, just noticed ;)`
`14:43.04`	`abbat_w`	`i got from someone here`
`14:43.06`	`Matrix110`	`http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=62063407&sid=1`
`14:43.45`	`Matrix110`	`or http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=107621854&sid=3 better formatted there`
`14:45.08`	`CIA-17`	`03funkydude * r24238 10BigWigs/ (15 files in 11 dirs):`
`14:45.08`	`CIA-17`	`BigWigs: toc 20003`
`14:45.08`	`CIA-17`	`<PROTECTED>`
`14:45.09`	`CIA-17`	`<PROTECTED>`
`14:45.09`	`CIA-17`	`<PROTECTED>`
`14:45.12`	`Thorgard`	`Oooh. Dismount()`
`14:45.32`	`Matrix110`	`i hope its useable in macros aswell!`
`14:45.35`	`wizbor`	`I've posted on the Wowace forums as well. Im running all Ace2 addons via updater. Nice work btw to all`
`14:45.36`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`it is`
`14:45.40`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`./dismount`
`14:45.45`	`Matrix110`	`perfect`
`14:46.07`	`Thorgard`	`I like the 'Fixed taint issues'.`
`14:46.24`	`Matrix110`	`we can finally dismiss our pets and duel people via rightlick again!`
`14:46.59`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`- The title "Scarab Lord" can now be chosen in game for select players.`
`14:47.01`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`?`
`14:47.03`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`wtf is that`
`14:47.09`	`vhaarr`	`The guys that opened AQ.`
`14:47.11`	`Matrix110`	`People that opened the AQ Gate can choose it`
`14:47.17`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`lol`
`14:47.24`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`in addition to the black mount`
`14:47.33`	`[Ammo]`	`epeen enlargement policy by blizzard`
`14:47.34`	`Matrix110`	`But well most of those dont own their account anymore anyway...`
`14:47.34`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`damn you Kalahad!`
`14:47.47`	`Thorgard`	`Matrix110, haha, yeah. ;P`
`14:47.51`	`Matrix110`	`LEGENDARY mount sells good!`
`14:48.06`	`Thorgard`	`Had a warrior in my guild sell his account recently, without telling anyone.`
`14:48.10`	`kenlyric\|work`	`well, on my server we had our sceptre guy get banned.`
`14:48.30`	`kenlyric\|work`	`and we had another sold legendary mount account transfer to our server.`
`14:48.32`	`Matrix110`	`we funnily have 3 or maybe even more with Black Mount`
`14:48.55`	`kenlyric\|work`	`I'm not even sure if the guy is still there, since he completely sucked and everyone knew he was an ebayed account.`
`14:49.03`	`herio`	`2nd druid review?`
`14:49.03`	`herio`	`how about locks get a decent one/`
`14:49.04`	`kenlyric\|work`	`nobody would run with him.`
`14:49.16`	`Matrix110`	`my old epic horse is more unique than the Legendary mount atleast!`
`14:49.23`	`Arrowmaster`	`my server doesnt have anybody at all with the bug mount`
`14:49.35`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`they transfered?`
`14:49.53`	`Nomad_Wanderer`	`WTF does this mean? Blacksmithing/Leatherworking specialization has changed with specialization providing recipes to make powerful items that only you can wear. You can now unlearn a blacksmithing or leatherworking specialization and learn a different one by finding the appropriate NPC, paying the fee to unlearn your old specialization, and then find the new specialist to learn a new one....`
`14:49.53`	`Matrix110`	`how is AQ gate handled on new servers btw? open by default?`
`14:49.55`	`Nomad_Wanderer`	`...Also, all of the old blacksmithing/leatherworking recipes that required specialization no longer require it and can be learned by any blacksmith/leatherworker.`
`14:49.59`	`Arrowmaster`	`yeah, our best pve guild transfered due to server preformance issues`
`14:50.06`	`Nomad_Wanderer`	`it is not open by default`
`14:50.08`	`kenlyric\|work`	`Nomad_Wanderer: seems pretty clear to me.`
`14:50.08`	`\|Kev\|`	`Nomad_Wanderer: as I read it, the old specialisations are gone`
`14:50.12`	`Stinkfot`	`hmm what's bartender3 autobindings?`
`14:50.17`	`\|Kev\|`	`and there will be new ones`
`14:50.33`	`Nomad_Wanderer`	`and the new specializations only allow you to make BOP?`
`14:50.41`	`Arrowmaster`	`yeah`
`14:50.42`	`Matrix110`	`Nomad_Wanderer that means that in TBC the specilisations get many BoP crafts besides some BoE crafts`
`14:50.45`	`Nomad_Wanderer`	`What about cloth priest blacksmiths ffs`
`14:50.58`	`kenlyric\|work`	`so essentially, you can't make money off a specific specialization.`
`14:51.04`	`Nomad_Wanderer`	`exactlky`
`14:51.04`	`Matrix110`	`you can`
`14:51.06`	`\|Kev\|`	`herio: locks have had a couple of good reviews, before the first review they were quite underpowered. And the latest talent trees are lovely`
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`14:51.11`	`Arrowmaster`	`tailors can`
`14:51.13`	`Matrix110`	`just not as much as before`
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`14:51.19`	`\|Kev\|`	`almost enough to make me change main from druid to lock again`
`14:51.26`	`Nomad_Wanderer`	`I blame tekkub`
`14:51.34`	`kenlyric\|work`	`Matrix110: nah, because everyone can make those items, no matter their specialization.`
`14:52.03`	`Matrix110`	`well Tailors/Alchemists got specializations they can make money off:P`
`14:52.15`	`Matrix110`	`not sure if BS have some not BoP recipes aswell`
`14:52.47`	`Nomad_Wanderer`	`They do.. but it seems like they are saying if your cloth be tailor, if your plate/weapon user be blacksmith`
`14:53.05`	`Matrix110`	`ofc they do`
`14:53.08`	`kenlyric\|work`	`I'm still dancing between affliction and emonology for my warlock to level with, I know affliction is better, but I love my petses.`
`14:53.16`	`Thorgard`	`Hmm. Anyone know the size of the patch?`
`14:53.37`	`kenlyric\|work`	`Nomad_Wanderer: well, they've always wanted crafting professions to be useful, not just for making money.`
`14:53.46`	`kenlyric\|work`	`since, if they stop making money, they are of no use at all (tailors)`
`14:53.52`	`Matrix110`	`Thorgard 200MB~`
`14:53.56`	`Matrix110`	`bit more`
`14:54.01`	`kenlyric\|work`	`damn!`
`14:54.04`	`kenlyric\|work`	`US patch was only 151`
`14:54.05`	`Matrix110`	`ive downloaded 212MB via Background DLer atleast`
`14:54.14`	`kenlyric\|work`	`all your language files I guess :)`
`14:54.16`	`Thorgard`	`Wonder why it's not starting my download. :/`
`14:54.24`	`odt`	`anyone know what char level will be required for 350 skills?`
`14:54.30`	`Matrix110`	`enGB patch shouldnt be bigger than US patch though:P`
`14:54.31`	`odt`	`professions that is`
`14:54.40`	`Matrix110`	`50 iirc`
`14:54.47`	`Matrix110`	`orwell 58`
`14:54.47`	`odt`	`ok, not a biggie then`
`14:54.51`	`Matrix110`	`you cant enter Outland before`
`14:54.57`	`odt`	`argh?`
`14:55.03`	`kenlyric\|work`	`yeah,a nd all trainers are in outlands.`
`14:55.04`	`Matrix110`	`but if you got TBC you can buy the Books with your main`
`14:55.07`	`odt`	`how are the blood elf supposed to go there?`
`14:55.17`	`Nomad_Wanderer`	`when they get to 58`
`14:55.23`	`odt`	`hmm, ok`
`14:55.36`	`kenlyric\|work`	`heh, the same way everyone else goes there.`
`14:55.43`	`odt`	`just thought they start there`
`14:55.44`	`kenlyric\|work`	`SUMMON PLEASE!`
`14:55.51`	`kenlyric\|work`	`nobody starts in the outlands.`
`14:55.53`	`Matrix110`	`Mages can make Portals aswell!`
`14:56.16`	`kenlyric\|work`	`I wonder what will happen when you try to portal/summon a person who is non-TBC or too low a level?`
`14:56.20`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`lol`
`14:56.21`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`- The energy gained from "Thistle Tea" now decreases with levels past`
`14:56.21`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`40.`
`14:56.36`	`kenlyric\|work`	`Neuro_Medivh: in other words, its now completely useless :)`
`14:56.49`	`kenlyric\|work`	`because honestly, who needs a burst of energy while levelling?`
`14:56.57`	`Matrix110`	`kenlyric he just gets: You need to have The Burning Crusade expansion installed and/or need to be Level 58 to enter Outlands.`
`14:57.17`	`Tornhoof`	`anyone good with those stateheader thingies?`
`14:57.54`	`Tornhoof`	`especially the delay* part`
`14:58.05`	`Nomad_Wanderer`	`hehehe.. Just got this forum PM "O-HI-OWNED"`
`14:58.48`	`kenlyric\|work`	`does that mean something?`
`14:58.59`	`Nomad_Wanderer`	`College football championships were last night in US`
`14:59.02`	`Nomad_Wanderer`	`Ohio lost`
`14:59.43`	`kenlyric\|work`	`college football championships are meaningless.`
`14:59.52`	`kenlyric\|work`	`no playoffs = the suck.`
`15:00.00`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`Um, no, Ohio didn't "lose"`
`15:00.03`	`Thorgard`	`Anywhere to get the 2.0.3 patch directly?`
`15:00.06`	`*** join/#wowace neenee (i=naenee@a62-251-64-42.adsl.xs4all.nl)`
`15:00.06`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`Ohio got "destroyed"`
`15:00.16`	`Arrowmaster`	`* "Pounce" no longer requires the druid to be behind the target.`
`15:00.19`	`Arrowmaster`	`wow imba buff`
`15:00.25`	`Matrix110`	`http://a.wirebrain.de/wow/`
`15:00.26`	`*** join/#wowace plojoo (n=asd@modemcable224.25-80-70.mc.videotron.ca)`
`15:00.38`	`neenee`	`Arrowmaster: nice.`
`15:01.18`	`Matrix110`	`or Thorgard check http://www.wowwiki.com/Patch_mirrors`
`15:01.28`	`CIA-17`	`03rabbit * r24239 10BugSack/ (BugSackFu.lua icon_red.tga): BugSack: FuBar icon turns red when you have an error, thanks Sariash for the icon!`
`15:01.38`	`neenee`	`TBC? Or sooner?`
`15:01.41`	`Arrowmaster`	`ohhh`
`15:01.42`	`Arrowmaster`	`* "Pounce" no longer requires the druid to be behind the target.`
`15:01.45`	`Arrowmaster`	`bah`
`15:01.48`	`Arrowmaster`	`didnt copy right`
`15:01.51`	`vhaarr`	Funkeh`: oh, neat, world boss mods, finally :P
`15:01.53`	`Arrowmaster`	`* If a spell is resisted, it will no longer break stealth.`
`15:02.01`	Funkeh`	`lol`
`15:02.06`	Funkeh`	`btw`
`15:02.35`	Funkeh`	`tip`
`15:02.35`	Funkeh`	`don't code when you need to pee`
`15:02.35`	`vhaarr`	`haha`
`15:02.35`	`Matrix110`	`more errors then?`
`15:02.36`	`kenlyric\|work`	`DDB?`
`15:02.36`	`*** join/#wowace mjc (n=mjc@72-17-187-154.ftl.fdn.com)`
`15:02.50`	`Tornhoof`	`funny`
`15:02.51`	`vhaarr`	Funkeh`: Hmm, just keep a reference to AceLibrary("Babble-Zone-2.2") when using it so many times.
`15:02.59`	`Tornhoof`	`they removed that totemic call spell from the patch notes`
`15:03.01`	`vhaarr`	Funkeh`: and then optionally nil the reference when you're done if you want.
`15:03.04`	`neenee`	`Is the patch Today for US and tomorrow for EU?`
`15:03.20`	`Matrix110`	`yes neenee`
`15:03.23`	`vhaarr`	Funkeh`: Just put local BB = AceLibrary("Babble-Zone-2.2") at the top.
`15:03.23`	`neenee`	`cool.`
`15:03.25`	`neenee`	`Thanks`
`15:03.36`	Funkeh`	`ok`
`15:03.39`	`[Ammo]`	`I'd suggest BZ for Babble-Zone :p`
`15:03.40`	`[Ammo]`	`not BB`
`15:03.45`	Funkeh`	`BZ`
`15:03.45`	`vhaarr`	`eeh`
`15:03.45`	`[Ammo]`	`confuscation ftw :p`
`15:03.46`	`Hjalte`	`Could someone tell me, why all the icons made with cartographer mining, is question marks?`
`15:03.47`	`vhaarr`	`yeah :P`
`15:03.47`	Funkeh`	`lol`
`15:03.49`	`vhaarr`	`sorry, lol`
`15:03.57`	`[Ammo]`	`have some coffee vharr`
`15:03.57`	Funkeh`	`vhaarr needs to pee i think`
`15:04.08`	`vhaarr`	`yeah, yeah`
`15:04.10`	`vhaarr`	`coffee`
`15:04.10`	`Matrix110`	`hmmm will my 2.0.1 client complain about 20003 .tocs btw?`
`15:04.23`	`vhaarr`	`probably not`
`15:04.24`	`Nomad_Wanderer`	`doubtful`
`15:04.25`	Funkeh`	`no it should jsut load em`
`15:04.30`	`*** join/#wowace mjc (n=mjc@72-17-187-154.ftl.fdn.com)`
`15:04.36`	`Nomad_Wanderer`	`they did something special for out of date and 2.0`
`15:04.38`	`Matrix110`	`i hope so i updated before i thought about that!`
`15:04.44`	`Barbanus`	`Added a sorting function so that the battleground and scoreboard can`
`15:04.44`	`Barbanus`	`be sorted by any of the categories.`
`15:04.50`	`Barbanus`	`Bye bye scoresort`
`15:05.00`	`Arrowmaster`	`ok seriously wtf is with this change???`
`15:05.01`	`Arrowmaster`	`* "Earth Shock" no longer causes increased threat.`
`15:05.01`	`Arrowmaster`	`* "Frost Shock" now causes increased threat.`
`15:05.17`	`Matrix110`	`wtb that Damage Done from BGs in Instances!`
`15:05.24`	`Tornhoof`	`simple`
`15:05.32`	`Matrix110`	`swstats keeps eating to much memory`
`15:05.33`	`Tornhoof`	`stormstrike + earthshock spam`
`15:05.59`	`plojoo`	`is there a link for the patch notes ?`
`15:06.02`	`Matrix110`	`yes`
`15:06.06`	`Matrix110`	`1sec`
`15:06.08`	`Arrowmaster`	`http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=107621854&sid=3`
`15:06.16`	`Matrix110`	`:-(`
`15:06.34`	`plojoo`	`thx`
`15:06.59`	`CIA-17`	`03ag * r24240 10ag_UnitFrames/ag_UnitClass.lua:`
`15:06.59`	`CIA-17`	`ag_UnitFrames`
`15:06.59`	`CIA-17`	`<PROTECTED>`
`15:07.13`	`Arrowmaster`	`wow they really nerfed all the good items`
`15:07.15`	`Arrowmaster`	`* "Tidal Charm" Now has a chance of failure against targets over level 60.`
`15:07.24`	`vhaarr`	ag`: You are aware that the pet grouping stuff doesn't work?
`15:07.46`	`\|Kev\|`	`Arrowmaster: that's just blizz saying " we want you to use tbc items in tbc" isn't it?`
`15:08.08`	`Arrowmaster`	`but afaik they wont add anything like Tidal Charm`
`15:08.15`	`Arrowmaster`	`its a 1 of a kind`
`15:08.24`	`[Ammo]`	`Grennon: you around?`
`15:08.51`	`Tornhoof`	`- The Crusader Enchantment now decreases in potency for wielders above`
`15:08.51`	`Tornhoof`	`level 60`
`15:08.56`	`[Ammo]`	`~seen grennon`
`15:09.04`	`purl`	`grennon <n=jeramy@user-0cdv8vd.cable.mindspring.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 7h 52m 56s ago, saying: 'or about 15 minutes before'.`
`15:09.04`	`Tornhoof`	`bitches`
`15:09.06`	`Arrowmaster`	`like everything got nerfed`
`15:09.08`	`Arrowmaster`	`EVERYTHING`
`15:09.16`	`Arrowmaster`	`* The threat reduction from "Fetish of the Sand Reaver" now decreases with levels past 60.`
`15:09.17`	`\|Kev\|`	`it's not a nerf though`
`15:09.27`	`Barbanus`	`"Swipe" has had its threat bonus multiplier removed.`
`15:09.28`	`Matrix110`	`Arrowmaster Fetish sucks anyway`
`15:09.38`	`Barbanus`	`I guess paladins really are the aoe tankers now`
`15:09.42`	`Arrowmaster`	`i still want one`
`15:09.43`	`\|Kev\|`	`just about all items are still as potent at the levels we've used them this far as before`
`15:09.55`	`\|Kev\|`	`just we won't still be using them at 70`
`15:09.55`	`KarlThePagan`	`~seen Elkano`
`15:09.57`	`purl`	`elkano <i=Elkano@client0895.vpn.uni-saarland.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 4h 26m 47s ago, saying: 'KarlThePagan, and scanning still doesn't work :/'.`
`15:09.57`	`\|Kev\|`	`I can live with that`
`15:10.05`	`\|Kev\|`	`the druid threat nerfs bother me more`
`15:10.05`	`CIA-17`	`03karlthepagan * r24241 10Grouper/GrouperAce.lua:`
`15:10.05`	`CIA-17`	`Grouper:`
`15:10.05`	`CIA-17`	`<PROTECTED>`
`15:10.07`	`Tornhoof`	`there is no crusi replacement kev`
`15:10.11`	`[Ammo]`	`fetish pwns for killing mages in AoE situations :p`
`15:10.20`	`[Ammo]`	`I used it on my lock on pre heigan aoe`
`15:10.21`	`Nomad_Wanderer`	`The Gm weapons are too powerful for what they cost.... I spent a boatload on the Augur staff, and now someone can just waltz in and get something better? (GM Warhammer + GM Tome of restoration)`
`15:10.25`	`[Ammo]`	`-> mage gets first aggro :)`
`15:10.32`	`Matrix110`	`i never get aggro @AoE`
`15:10.38`	`[Ammo]`	`our mages did :)`
`15:10.42`	`[Ammo]`	`all locks used fetishes`
`15:10.43`	`Matrix110`	`-40% Arcane Threat <3`
`15:10.44`	`[Ammo]`	`and hellfire`
`15:10.57`	`Barbanus`	`level 60 items and enchantments SHOULD be worse at 70 ... that just makes sense.`
`15:11.03`	`Matrix110`	`all mages that spec 5/5 imp AM get aggro always`
`15:11.08`	`Barbanus`	`If it wasnt, we would be running level 60 instances`
`15:11.10`	`Nomad_Wanderer`	`The GM stuff is level 60`
`15:11.13`	`Barbanus`	`and that would blow.`
`15:11.14`	`Arrowmaster`	`ive heard of mages/warlocks with fetish poping it and toep right when bosses like broodlord get pulled and going all out without pulling`
`15:11.58`	`Nomad_Wanderer`	`Augur staff is DKP, plus elementium, requires a raid that can kill the emps. GM warhammer + tome of restoration = 45k honr + 60 ab marks...`
`15:12.10`	`Matrix110`	`Fetish was nice @emps though`
`15:12.18`	`CIA-17`	`03tornhoof * r24242 10Yata/ (TotemBar.lua TotemButton.lua):`
`15:12.18`	`CIA-17`	`Yata:`
`15:12.18`	`CIA-17`	`- Minor bugfixes`
`15:12.20`	`herio`	`i use 8/8 nem on BL and don't pull`
`15:12.31`	`[Ammo]`	`ofcourse you don't pull with 8/8 nem`
`15:12.34`	`[Ammo]`	`not enough shadowdamage :p`
`15:12.44`	`herio`	`=)`
`15:12.50`	`Matrix110`	`never did Broodlord with 2.0 :-(`
`15:12.50`	`vhaarr`	`nem ftl`
`15:12.59`	`herio`	`25% BAYBE`
`15:13.03`	`Arrowmaster`	`meh im affliction now anyway, 8/8 nem doesnt decrease threat on most my damage`
`15:13.23`	`herio`	`excuse me?`
`15:13.38`	`[Ammo]`	`indeed`
`15:13.50`	`herio`	`thought it was 20% on all damage done...`
`15:13.56`	`vhaarr`	`no :)`
`15:13.58`	`[Ammo]`	`destro damage`
`15:14.00`	`Barbanus`	`"Blessing of Might" now also increases ranged attack power.`
`15:14.03`	`Barbanus`	`ooOOOO`
`15:14.13`	`Barbanus`	`gogo buff hunters`
`15:14.15`	`Matrix110`	`and Multshot is almost free now!`
`15:14.15`	`[Ammo]`	`I think hunters would still like wisdom over might`
`15:14.17`	`Antiarc`	`vhaarr: I put my BT3 autobindings thingie into SVN last night`
`15:14.21`	`Arrowmaster`	`lol`
`15:14.21`	`Antiarc`	`So if you're interested, have at it`
`15:14.22`	`Arrowmaster`	`* "Disengage" now reduces threat on the misdirected target and also consumes one charge of "Misdirection".`
`15:14.26`	`vhaarr`	`Antiarc: ah, nice.`
`15:14.28`	`Barbanus`	`[Ammo], now we can give them both :P`
`15:14.32`	`[Ammo]`	`yeah true`
`15:14.32`	`herio`	`most my damage is from playing the game, so it helps a lot`
`15:14.33`	`Arrowmaster`	`does that mean i can get hunters to feint for me?`
`15:14.35`	`Barbanus`	`[Ammo], they dont really need salv`
`15:14.42`	`Matrix110`	`oh oh oh they do`
`15:14.43`	`Barbanus`	`[Ammo], at least a good hunter doesnt`
`15:14.44`	`Antiarc`	`....hunters can proxy-feint now?`
`15:14.50`	`Antiarc`	`What the heck.`
`15:15.06`	`Arrowmaster`	`yeah i know`
`15:15.22`	`Arrowmaster`	`i guess maybe i shouldnt use a mod to auto cancel misdirection when i get it`
`15:15.33`	`Antiarc`	`Wait, decreased Crusader?`
`15:15.36`	`Antiarc`	`NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.`
`15:15.39`	`Stinkfot`	`bah nurfed site down :(`
`15:15.46`	`Tornhoof`	`hehe`
`15:15.58`	`[Ammo]`	`I spec'd 44/0/7 on my paladin :)`
`15:16.01`	`Tornhoof`	`no replacement yet`
`15:16.29`	`Barbanus`	`We have fixed a bug where the damage bonus from "Holy Guidance" was`
`15:16.30`	`Barbanus`	`being added to physical attacks.`
`15:16.32`	`Barbanus`	`Boooo`
`15:16.32`	`kenlyric\|work`	`Antiarc: past 60.`
`15:16.36`	`Barbanus`	`That was the best bug ever!`
`15:16.52`	`Barbanus`	`700 white crits with my 40 dps, 2.5speed 1H :P`
`15:16.52`	`Arrowmaster`	`* The priest Discipline talent "Reflective Shield" will no longer cause the recipient of the shield to perform a cast animation every time the shield reflects damage.`
`15:16.54`	`Arrowmaster`	`booo`
`15:17.43`	`Arrowmaster`	`umm`
`15:17.44`	`Arrowmaster`	`* Updated the tooltip on "Cloak of Shadows" with the additional line, "Does not remove effects that prevent you from using Cloak of Shadows."`
`15:17.47`	`Arrowmaster`	`wtf does that mean?`
`15:17.52`	`Arrowmaster`	`silence?`
`15:18.00`	`Barbanus`	`yea`
`15:18.08`	`Barbanus`	`I think`
`15:18.14`	`KarlThePagan`	`heh`
`15:18.15`	`abbat_w`	`yep`
`15:18.16`	`Adirelle\|work`	`Arrowmaster: or stun, or things like that`
`15:18.17`	`Arrowmaster`	`i knew there was a reason for all those bat wands in my bank`
`15:18.19`	`KarlThePagan`	`it's magic then?`
`15:18.23`	`abbat_w`	`silence`
`15:18.30`	`Barbanus`	`KarlThePagan, its a "cast"`
`15:18.43`	`herio`	`imo, cloak of shadows is imba =(`
`15:18.50`	`Adirelle\|work`	`btw, silencing hunter doesn't prevent them to cast lots of things`
`15:19.00`	`herio`	`works on bronze?`
`15:19.15`	`[Ammo]`	`cloak of shadows is pretty useless pve wise`
`15:19.26`	`vhaarr`	`Why are all my enchants gone?`
`15:19.28`	`vhaarr`	`wth`
`15:19.28`	`Arrowmaster`	`silencing a hunter doesnt do anything`
`15:19.32`	`Health`	`vhaarr: They're white now.`
`15:19.41`	`deltron`	`vhaarr: they are there`
`15:19.42`	`herio`	`working on bronze is just rediculous`
`15:19.43`	`vhaarr`	`oh`
`15:19.48`	`vhaarr`	`aha`
`15:19.56`	Funkeh`	`fixed in tonights patch back to green`
`15:20.01`	`Adirelle\|work`	`Arrowmaster: er... it actually does some things, but we may considering that's a waste of mana`
`15:20.02`	`herio`	`they have been for a long time ...`
`15:20.17`	`vhaarr`	`I haven't played on live for a long time, only beta.`
`15:20.23`	`Adirelle\|work`	`Arrowmaster: prevents aspect change, traps, healing pet`
`15:20.23`	`Arrowmaster`	`what? mend pet?`
`15:20.26`	`herio`	`i see`
`15:20.28`	`vhaarr`	`can't be arsed to enchant stuff there, replace it in a week anyway.`
`15:20.28`	`Adirelle\|work`	`yes :D`
`15:20.29`	`kovi`	`those first 5 sec after login in after the 2.0 patch on live were priceless`
`15:20.32`	`kovi`	`OMG ALL ENCHANTS GONE`
`15:20.44`	`Barbanus`	`yay I logged in`
`15:20.45`	Funkeh`	`;)`
`15:20.47`	`Barbanus`	`Downloading patch`
`15:21.07`	`Barbanus`	`lol 7MB to download`
`15:21.14`	`vhaarr`	`o_O new SG:A episode`
`15:21.21`	Funkeh`	`17?`
`15:21.32`	`phyber`	`needs moar sg1.`
`15:21.36`	`Health`	`moar!`
`15:21.42`	`Health`	`Is that simular to roar?`
`15:21.42`	`vhaarr`	`gifv sg1`
`15:21.45`	Funkeh`	`ep17 vhaarr?`
`15:21.50`	`vhaarr`	Funkeh`: yes
`15:22.06`	`Barbanus`	`YAY Melee damage of "Felguard" has been reduced.`
`15:22.47`	`Barbanus`	`yay, soullink nerf too`
`15:23.00`	`Arrowmaster`	`soullink didnt get nerfed`
`15:23.07`	`*** join/#wowace Kelben (i=Kelben@residence-232-115.mschaffer.ualberta.ca)`
`15:23.11`	`Barbanus`	`The damage increase component of "Soul Link" has been improved. The`
`15:23.11`	`Barbanus`	`damage mitigation component has been reduced.`
`15:23.25`	`Arrowmaster`	`it got nerfed in 2.0.1`
`15:23.34`	`Arrowmaster`	`they just forgot to change the tooltip`
`15:23.56`	`kagaro`	`looking for an opinion: im thinking of making 'SwagLib' effectivly similar to Babble but for gathering professions: would contain localization of gathering mate, skill level, and node you collect from .. what do you all think?`
`15:24.53`	`kagaro`	`*mat i.e. 'Copper', 'Copper Ore', 'Copper Vein', 1,50`
`15:25.38`	`CIA-17`	`03karlthepagan * r24243 10Grouper/GrouperAce.lua:`
`15:25.38`	`CIA-17`	`Grouper:`
`15:25.38`	`CIA-17`	`<PROTECTED>`
`15:26.02`	`kagaro`	`or some other suitable name`
`15:26.56`	`[Ammo]`	`- Reduced the cost of some battleground rewards.`
`15:26.57`	`Arrowmaster`	`seriously though`
`15:26.58`	`mjc`	`kergoth: pingggggggggggggggg`
`15:26.59`	`Arrowmaster`	`* The title "Scarab Lord" can now be chosen in game for select players.`
`15:26.59`	`[Ammo]`	`anyone know which?`
`15:27.02`	`mjc`	`~seen kergoth`
`15:27.12`	`purl`	`kergoth is currently on #wowi-lounge #oe #wowace #elinux. Has said a total of 160 messages. Is idling for 14h 16m 1s, last said: 'ah well, enough ranting'.`
`15:27.12`	`Arrowmaster`	`wheres my "Master Angler" title?`
`15:27.15`	`kagaro`	`^ arrowmaster`
`15:27.20`	`mjc`	`[ammo] check beta thottbot`
`15:27.28`	`*** join/#wowace Kilroo (n=Jarentha@cpe-071-076-173-175.triad.res.rr.com)`
`15:27.31`	`kagaro`	`I want Master Angler!`
`15:27.39`	`Arrowmaster`	`loved the 2.0 patch`
`15:27.50`	`Arrowmaster`	`won the tourny while everybody was busy pvping`
`15:27.50`	`CIA-17`	`03funkydude * r24244 10BigWigs/Other/ (Emeriss.lua Lethon.lua Taerar.lua Ysondre.lua): BigWigs: Other: various code cleanups`
`15:28.10`	`CIA-17`	`03saroz * r24245 10sRaidFrames/ (3 files): sRaidFrames: Missing translations`
`15:28.40`	`herio`	`i should try that again`
`15:28.52`	`[Ammo]`	`can't really find the costs on beta thottbot`
`15:28.56`	`herio`	`unfortunaly i'm gonna be out of town this sunday =(`
`15:29.14`	`Arrowmaster`	`im usually sleeping during the fishing tourny`
`15:29.15`	`Thorgard`	`I want a Master Baiter title.`
`15:29.28`	`*** join/#wowace Dhraga (n=chatzill@213-64-237-101-o871.telia.com)`
`15:29.34`	`herio`	`recently i have been`
`15:29.38`	`Gagorian`	`Can any druid tell me if improved moonfire gives 5% crit per rank now?`
`15:29.46`	`herio`	`i woke at 4pm yesterday =(`
`15:29.49`	`Antiarc`	`Does anyone have complete patch notes somewhere?`
`15:29.51`	`Barbanus`	`Hmmmm`
`15:29.52`	`herio`	`today i didn't go to sleep =(`
`15:29.52`	`Barbanus`	`Fixed taint issue with raid UI not showing in combat (buttons in main`
`15:29.52`	`Barbanus`	`raid UI are no longer secure unit buttons)`
`15:29.59`	`herio`	`so i should be back on track after today`
`15:30.01`	`Arrowmaster`	`i wake up at 4pm everyday`
`15:30.01`	`Barbanus`	`Does that mean we can change groups in combat now?`
`15:30.10`	`Tornhoof`	`no`
`15:30.16`	`Tornhoof`	`that does mean you can load it ;)`
`15:30.16`	`Barbanus`	`Blah`
`15:30.19`	`kenlyric\|work`	`nope, vael still owned.`
`15:30.23`	`Tornhoof`	`atleast i think so`
`15:30.30`	`Kelben`	`Just curious but with patch will`
`15:30.35`	`Kelben`	`hmmm`
`15:30.37`	`mjc`	`20,000 armor ftw`
`15:30.39`	`Arrowmaster`	`i think it mean i have to actually use a unitframe mod now to target people for summons`
`15:30.40`	`Kelben`	`didn't mean to hit enter :P`
`15:31.03`	`herio`	`<PROTECTED>`
`15:31.12`	`Kelben`	`Why are mods like autobar unable to update items during combat?`
`15:31.13`	`Barbanus`	`Arrowmaster, yea, you cant use the raid window anymore`
`15:31.44`	`kenlyric\|work`	`wait, you can't use the raid windows to target people anymjore?`
`15:31.47`	`mjc`	`Kelben: secure frames.`
`15:32.00`	`Kelben`	`so theres no way around it?`
`15:32.03`	`mjc`	`nope`
`15:32.06`	`kenlyric\|work`	`uh, how are you supposed to heal?`
`15:32.16`	`mjc`	`kenlyric\|work: click casting`
`15:32.19`	`Antiarc`	`- The title "Scarab Lord" can now be chosen in game for select players.`
`15:32.19`	`kenlyric\|work`	`on what?`
`15:32.20`	`Dhraga`	`anyone using agUF + aUF_Rangecheck ..... What is the best performance wise to use... aUF_RangeCheck (that have both rangecheck+ fader) or the sepparate aUF_RangeCheck_M + aUF_BarFader ?`
`15:32.20`	`Antiarc`	`:O`
`15:32.27`	`mjc`	`kenlyric\|work: raid frames`
`15:32.28`	`Barbanus`	`kenlyric\|work, the raid pane, clicking o, and going to raid`
`15:32.30`	`herio`	`use unitframes?`
`15:32.31`	`kenlyric\|work`	`you can't click on them.`
`15:32.32`	`Barbanus`	`Not the raid frames`
`15:32.33`	`herio`	`lol`
`15:32.37`	`Antiarc`	`- Added a sorting function so that the battleground and scoreboard can`
`15:32.38`	`Antiarc`	`be sorted by any of the categories.`
`15:32.40`	`mjc`	`kenlyric\|work: you can clickcast them`
`15:32.40`	`Antiarc`	`Hahaha, nice`
`15:33.25`	`Barbanus`	`kenlyric\|work, you know the screen you change people in groups? you used to be able to target people using that.`
`15:33.29`	`Antiarc`	`- "Blessing of Might" now also increases ranged attack power.`
`15:33.30`	`Antiarc`	`:O`
`15:33.42`	`kenlyric\|work`	`mjc: well, first of all, clickcasting shouldn't be required, and second, no, you can't clickcast on unsecured frames, afaik. That's whol reason emergency monitors don't work.,`
`15:33.51`	`kenlyric\|work`	`Barbanus: oh, that window?`
`15:33.56`	`Barbanus`	`Yes, that window`
`15:33.58`	`kenlyric\|work`	`who would use that window to target poeple? ;)`
`15:34.05`	`Barbanus`	`Exactly`
`15:34.06`	`herio`	`Antiarc, is that in the patch notes, the BG window stuff?`
`15:34.10`	`Barbanus`	`and it was causing taint`
`15:34.12`	`Antiarc`	`Yes, herio`
`15:34.21`	`kenlyric\|work`	`I thought you meant the raid frames. I nearly wet myself.`
`15:34.27`	`Barbanus`	`so they are making it non-secure, and removing the targetting`
`15:34.29`	`Barbanus`	`LOL`
`15:34.41`	`kenlyric\|work`	`still be nice if you could move people around in a fight.`
`15:34.49`	`Barbanus`	`No one uses it .. so it was stupid anyways :P`
`15:34.53`	`Antiarc`	`- There is no longer a random chance the effect of "Sap" will end (i.e. removed the heartbeat resist check). The effect will still end early when the target is damaged.`
`15:34.54`	`Antiarc`	`:D :D :D`
`15:34.59`	`kenlyric\|work`	`nothing like having an aoe heal and having it affect 1 person :)`
`15:35.09`	`Antiarc`	`- Resisted spells will no longer break "Stealth"/"Vanish".`
`15:35.13`	`Antiarc`	`:D :D :D :D`
`15:35.34`	`kenlyric\|work`	`Antiarc: that's kind of huge change to sap.`
`15:35.45`	`Antiarc`	`Not huge, but it actually makes it useful now.`
`15:35.45`	`*** join/#wowace Mery (i=metelman@p57A9512F.dip.t-dialin.net)`
`15:35.51`	`kenlyric\|work`	`god if my fear could work that way, or sheep.`
`15:35.57`	`Antiarc`	`Not being able to rely on a once-per-fight-CC makes it pretty silly.`
`15:36.06`	`kenlyric\|work`	`nothing like sheeping a mob and having it come right back at you.`
`15:36.12`	`Antiarc`	`If fear and sheep could only work when your combat was out of target, I'd be fine with them working that way.`
`15:36.14`	`kenlyric\|work`	`true.`
`15:36.32`	`Barbanus`	`Reduced the cost of some battleground rewards.`
`15:36.35`	`Barbanus`	`orly?`
`15:36.38`	`kenlyric\|work`	`I guess I"d rather have sheep work in combat :)`
`15:36.50`	`kenlyric\|work`	`maybe they made the mounts 20 tokens instead of 30 :)`
`15:36.54`	`kenlyric\|work`	`I can dream!`
`15:37.10`	`Mikma`	`grzesieq: 0.5.1 served. don't know what i changed actually but it may be the last "update" i do for some time`
`15:37.21`	`Barbanus`	`Fuck, the items shouldbe increased to like 60 tokens if they are 12k honor`
`15:37.31`	`Barbanus`	`I have 100 of each token, and like 6 pages in my mail`
`15:37.35`	`Barbanus`	`no way to use them up`
`15:37.40`	`Barbanus`	`even when buying items`
`15:37.44`	`Antiarc`	`Agreed, Barbanus`
`15:37.53`	`Antiarc`	`Hell, I'd be happy if tokens had a sell price.`
`15:38.03`	`Barbanus`	`Or remove the damn tokens`
`15:38.11`	`Barbanus`	`since its so trivial to get them`
`15:38.28`	`Barbanus`	`Honor is 48948230948 times harder to get than the tokens`
`15:38.34`	`Antiarc`	`Good lord, enchants took it up the butt.`
`15:38.37`	`*** join/#wowace ven (n=ven@dhcp-75-194.uni-paderborn.de)`
`15:38.59`	`Barbanus`	`Antiarc, those are all good changes, enchants and items from level 60 should not be good at 70.`
`15:39.02`	`deltron`	`lolz`
`15:39.15`	`Kelben`	`some prankster on the general forums edited the mage section to 'Mage Armour' has new icon`
`15:39.18`	`deltron`	`Barbanus: AV tokens are harder to get than honor for horde`
`15:39.18`	`Barbanus`	`I dont want to fucking do level 60 instances to get DE fodder, or 60 items, because they are better than 70 items`
`15:39.21`	`Antiarc`	`Barbanus: But Crusader was a flat increase anyway, not a percentage or anything. Why's it matter?`
`15:39.34`	`deltron`	`I essentially need to sit through 30 games of AV for anything`
`15:39.46`	`FryGuy`	`yes but your queues are insant`
`15:39.50`	`deltron`	`:)`
`15:39.56`	`Barbanus`	`Antiarc, you seriously want to run strath to get the mats for crusader?`
`15:40.02`	`Antiarc`	`At level 70, I could solo it. Why not?`
`15:40.04`	`deltron`	`I had to wait like 4 minutes to get into AV last night, wtf was up with that?`
`15:40.14`	`Kelben`	`i had to wait 2 hrs`
`15:40.14`	`Antiarc`	`I mean, we all ran Maraudon for NR gear, didn't we? ;)`
`15:40.21`	`Barbanus`	`we didnt :P`
`15:40.27`	`FryGuy`	`we have to wait >1 hour usually`
`15:40.33`	`Antiarc`	`- The Auction House will now sort items first by buyout price then by current price.`
`15:40.43`	`Antiarc`	`AV game waits on Cenarion Circle are close to 2 hours for Alliance`
`15:40.51`	`CIA-17`	`03rabbit * r24246 10BigWigs/Plugins/Version.lua: BigWigs: Version: Whispering outdated BigWigs users should work when you're a raid officer as well.`
`15:40.52`	`Antiarc`	`I'm drowning in AB/WSG tokens, have like...11 AV tokens.`
`15:40.57`	`Gagorian`	`AV is like 20 seconds, AB and WSG is about 5 seconds, 10 if it's a horrible queue`
`15:40.58`	`deltron`	`you guys should roll horde :)`
`15:41.15`	`FryGuy`	`nah`
`15:41.18`	`FryGuy`	`arenas will fix it :)`
`15:41.23`	`Saroz`	`ok, so when are we gonna see Bigwigs bars move like RDX?`
`15:41.24`	`Saroz`	`:p`
`15:41.29`	`Arrowmaster`	`you dont want to know how many AV tokens i have`
`15:41.38`	`Antiarc`	`<PROTECTED>`
`15:41.38`	`[Ammo]`	`Saroz: go away`
`15:41.39`	`Antiarc`	`WOOT.`
`15:41.42`	`Saroz`	`:(`
`15:41.44`	`Antiarc`	`That was the one thing Sanity was truly missing.`
`15:42.05`	`Antiarc`	`Ooh, GetCursorInfo() is hot too.`
`15:42.14`	`Health`	`Saroz: How do they move in there? :p`
`15:42.15`	`Arrowmaster`	`i think im like 15 tokens short of having collected enough AV tokens for 5 mounts + a pair of gloves`
`15:42.24`	`Saroz`	`Health, move to center when they are about to expire`
`15:42.26`	`Saroz`	`really cool`
`15:43.08`	`Antiarc`	`<PROTECTED>`
`15:43.11`	`Antiarc`	`Interesting.`
`15:43.14`	`Barbanus`	`I've bought 3 mounts, GM 2h mace, GM 1h mace, marshal pants, marshal shoulder, marshal chest, and I still have 100 of each token, and 6 pages in my mail`
`15:43.30`	`[Ammo]`	`Saroz: just use RDX`
`15:43.37`	`Arrowmaster`	`i havent pvped in like 2 weeks`
`15:43.50`	`Saroz`	`psssh [Ammo]!`
`15:43.53`	`deltron`	`RDX just for raid windows?`
`15:44.08`	`Arrowmaster`	`i really dislike pvp in wow for some reason`
`15:44.15`	`[Ammo]`	`deltron: naah for the kitchen sink as well`
`15:44.17`	`Arrowmaster`	`its just not fun`
`15:44.31`	`kenlyric\|work`	`Arrowmaster: you dislike it for the same reason I do. They nerf PVE in order to balance PVP, and it sucks out the ass.`
`15:44.39`	`vhaarr`	`Saroz: You can make an addon that does it for BigWigs.`
`15:44.40`	`Antiarc`	`PVP is a lot of fun if you run in a team`
`15:44.42`	`Antiarc`	`Doing it solo sucks ass.`
`15:44.43`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`Arrow, what class are you?`
`15:44.46`	`Tovort`	`Alterac Valley is totally crap for the Horde on my realm pool - we loose at least 2 out of 3 (though it used to be worse, like 9 out of 10)`
`15:44.47`	`Arrowmaster`	`warlock`
`15:44.52`	`vhaarr`	`Saroz: We're not coding it for you.`
`15:44.54`	`kenlyric\|work`	`people cheer when class X gets nerfed, forgetting they need class X to kill things.`
`15:44.58`	`Saroz`	`vhaarr, I would if I could :p`
`15:45.03`	`Antiarc`	`Arrowmaster: You probably don't like it because people beeline for you, yes?`
`15:45.06`	`vhaarr`	`Saroz: pft`
`15:45.09`	`Arrowmaster`	`yes`
`15:45.10`	`vhaarr`	`Saroz: You can.`
`15:45.15`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`sometimes it's due to your class`
`15:45.21`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`like, I love my mage for pve`
`15:45.21`	`Antiarc`	`Warlocks are 100% top kill priority right now, because they're so freaking dangerous in PVP`
`15:45.21`	Funkeh`	`isn't it just a case of stealing the texture for candybars?`
`15:45.25`	`Saroz`	`vhaarr, move candybars? when they have 5 secs left?`
`15:45.27`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`but I have being a mage in PVP`
`15:45.30`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`er, hate`
`15:45.32`	`Antiarc`	`That should diminish with the various nerfs you're getting today.`
`15:45.33`	Funkeh`	`oh that`
`15:45.33`	`vhaarr`	`Saroz: yes`
`15:45.37`	`Arrowmaster`	`people have ALWAYS beelined for me`
`15:45.48`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`whereas I love being a warrior in PVP, but not to crazy about PVE warrior`
`15:46.05`	`[Ammo]`	`Saroz: candybar has a good API to get timeleft, all BigWigs bars are tagged with a BigWigs id`
`15:46.18`	`[Ammo]`	`it's not hard, it's just a silly feature`
`15:46.24`	`Saroz`	`hrrrm, might do it then`
`15:46.28`	`Antiarc`	`See, I have a rogue, warrior, and priest. Rogue is my favorite in PVP, but my rogue's gear outclasses my war and priest by several tiers.`
`15:46.29`	`kenlyric\|work`	`Neuro_Medivh: you hate being a mage? try being a priest. On the alliance side.`
`15:46.30`	`*** join/#wowace Mimesis (i=HydraIRC@CPE000fea55870a-CM0014f85c2340.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com)`
`15:46.40`	`kenlyric\|work`	`I wish alliance had preist radar like the horde does. What skill is that?`
`15:46.47`	`kenlyric\|work`	`oh yeah "we know how to pvp" skill.`
`15:46.51`	`Barbanus`	`Arrowmaster, what class are you?`
`15:46.55`	`Arrowmaster`	`warlock`
`15:47.04`	`[Ammo]`	`Saroz: and you might not even need to use the candybar API at all :p`
`15:47.09`	`[Ammo]`	`I think it can be a 25 line module :)`
`15:47.13`	`[Ammo]`	`approx`
`15:47.24`	`Health`	`Saroz: I still doesn't understand why. Just move the bar towards the center?`
`15:47.27`	`Mimesis`	`quick question: do we have to worry about certain changes in 2.03 breaking any addons?`
`15:47.27`	`[Ammo]`	`2 events, one extra anchor`
`15:47.28`	`Saroz`	`yes`
`15:47.30`	`CIA-17`	`03saroz * r24247 10sRaidFrames/localization.frFR.lua: sRaidFrames: frFR update`
`15:47.32`	`Saroz`	`Health, yes`
`15:47.42`	`Health`	`If it's already at center?`
`15:47.48`	`Saroz`	`the idea is`
`15:47.52`	`Saroz`	`you can have them at the side`
`15:47.53`	`Antiarc`	`- The hunter spell "Flare" will now properly reveal Mages that used "Invisibility".`
`15:47.54`	`Antiarc`	`:O`
`15:48.00`	`Saroz`	`and when a timer is about to expire, it moves to the center`
`15:48.04`	`Saroz`	`so you get notified`
`15:48.12`	`Saroz`	`and blinks and shit`
`15:48.13`	`Saroz`	`:p`
`15:48.30`	`Health`	`Useful!`
`15:48.35`	`Saroz`	`YES!`
`15:48.38`	`*** join/#wowace nae-lap (n=naenee@a62-251-64-42.adsl.xs4all.nl)`
`15:48.39`	`[Ammo]`	`no`
`15:48.40`	`Health`	`No!`
`15:48.41`	`vhaarr`	`!!1`
`15:48.43`	`vhaarr`	`:P`
`15:48.44`	`Saroz`	`!!`
`15:48.46`	`haste`	`lol`
`15:48.47`	`Arrowmaster`	`fuck its almost 11am maybe i should goto bed now since i got a class at 7pm`
`15:48.48`	`Mikma`	`what?!?`
`15:48.51`	`Saroz`	`huh?!`
`15:48.53`	`haste`	`Saroz: such a RDX fanboy :D`
`15:48.54`	`[Ammo]`	`shut up mikma`
`15:48.57`	`Saroz`	`haste :p`
`15:49.02`	`[Ammo]`	`I hate you`
`15:49.04`	`Saroz`	`never used RDX tbh`
`15:49.05`	`vhaarr`	`Saroz: Just TRY posting about it, we've got moderator status now!`
`15:49.06`	`Health`	`We're getting kinky in here!`
`15:49.08`	`Saroz`	`only saw it on videos`
`15:49.09`	`Mikma`	`[Ammo]: nevah`
`15:49.10`	`Saroz`	`and it looks cool`
`15:49.16`	`kenlyric\|work`	`RDX is hot.`
`15:49.22`	`Saroz`	`thats what I'm saying`
`15:49.23`	`[Ammo]`	`then use RDX :)`
`15:49.24`	`vhaarr`	`RDX is lol.`
`15:49.30`	`kenlyric\|work`	`well, before the secure frames nerf it was hot. Haven't tried it since then.`
`15:49.33`	`Saroz`	`the moving bars is hot`
`15:49.37`	`Saroz`	`rest is shit`
`15:49.44`	`deltron`	`oh sweet, a new version of squirrel sql :D`
`15:49.59`	`vhaarr`	`Saroz: Go go make a BW module, I'll gladly help with any questions.`
`15:50.08`	`Mikma`	`lawl`
`15:50.13`	`Mikma`	`rdx is teh bestest`
`15:50.24`	Funkeh`	`fuck you Mikma`
`15:50.24`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`Why not make it a standalone mod?`
`15:50.31`	`Mikma`	Funkeh`: you first
`15:50.31`	`Saroz`	`module ftw`
`15:50.31`	Funkeh`	`now i feel better`
`15:50.35`	Funkeh`	`:P`
`15:50.38`	`Mimesis`	`rdx is the one that puts LOL lines all across your screen right`
`15:50.47`	`Saroz`	`what?`
`15:50.48`	`Mimesis`	`among other things obv`
`15:50.51`	`Saroz`	`anyway, afk`
`15:51.21`	`[Ammo]`	`some people are even requesting me for the earthquake effect that LV has`
`15:51.28`	`[Ammo]`	`zomg shake the screen so you misclick heals`
`15:51.30`	`[Ammo]`	`good idea`
`15:51.31`	Funkeh`	`BigWigs_RDXLOL`
`15:51.32`	`Arrowmaster`	`the only thing i wish the bigwigs bars did that they dont now is be a bit smarter about new bar possitioning, like not moving the prexisting bars on chromag to add the short casting bar`
`15:51.34`	`[Ammo]`	`moronic`
`15:51.48`	Funkeh`	`LV has some moronic features`
`15:51.56`	Funkeh`	`it locks all heals for priests on the nef stage`
`15:51.57`	`Mikma`	`what earthquake effect?`
`15:51.59`	`Saroz`	`wtf is LV?`
`15:52.02`	Funkeh`	`excuse me i like killing people`
`15:52.09`	`FryGuy`	`la vendetta`
`15:52.17`	`[Ammo]`	`it shakes the screen when your debuff changes on thaddius for isntance`
`15:52.18`	`Saroz`	`ah`
`15:52.21`	`Antiarc`	`- A "Vanished" rogue will no longer be taken out of their "vanished state" when they resist a spell.`
`15:52.21`	`[Ammo]`	`and blinks it red or something`
`15:52.27`	`Saroz`	`hihi`
`15:52.39`	`[Ammo]`	`people wanted that`
`15:52.41`	`[Ammo]`	`I told them: use LV`
`15:52.41`	`Antiarc`	`I believe what they mean is "Rogues will randomly drop vanish now to account for resists no longer breaking it."`
`15:52.55`	`Barbanus`	`[Ammo], okay, I will :)`
`15:53.20`	`Mimesis`	`we shouldnt be able to be hit by anything but aoe spells after vanish anyways,zzz`
`15:53.21`	Funkeh`	`the silliest thing is how they add so much crap that has nothing to do with boss mods`
`15:53.36`	`Arrowmaster`	`how many karazhan bosses does LV have support for now?`
`15:53.41`	Funkeh`	`0`
`15:53.47`	`Arrowmaster`	`BW?`
`15:53.51`	Funkeh`	`several`
`15:54.01`	`Arrowmaster`	`and people still use LV why?`
`15:54.09`	`Mimesis`	`LV waiting for BW to get good bossmods so they can copy the concepts`
`15:54.10`	`Health`	`It shakes!`
`15:54.12`	Funkeh`	`because tbc isnt released yet`
`15:54.15`	Funkeh`	`lol`
`15:54.17`	Funkeh`	`yeah it shackes`
`15:54.27`	`kenlyric\|work`	`meh, I just realized I never got my TBC key from wowhead. Should I cry about it? ;)`
`15:54.29`	`Arrowmaster`	`i like Mimesis's reason`
`15:54.34`	Funkeh`	`Mimesis: you know they ripped the saph and KT mods right?`
`15:54.49`	`Mimesis`	`ripped as in copied from BW?`
`15:54.52`	Funkeh`	`its made by 2 guys in 2 guilds, when they added it they hadn't reached 4hm`
`15:55.04`	Funkeh`	`no`
`15:55.06`	`Barbanus`	`I like the 100 pt font, red glow, and shaking when we get an explode on a anubasath in AQ40, and I need to run the fuck away :P`
`15:55.08`	`Mimesis`	`i wasnt aware but it would not surprise me`
`15:55.10`	Funkeh`	`as in just looked for the triggers`
`15:55.14`	`Arrowmaster`	`lol`
`15:55.30`	`[Ammo]`	`I don't mind`
`15:55.48`	`Arrowmaster`	`ok bed time, aka 11am`
`15:55.48`	`Barbanus`	`I'm a retard you see .. so that helps me pay attention, and not fall asleep spam healing people :P`
`15:55.53`	`Mimesis`	`if people like that stuff, they should write BW modules for it`
`15:55.55`	`*** join/#wowace steino_ (n=stein-iv@ti531210a080-7006.bb.online.no)`
`15:56.00`	`Mimesis`	`would be better in the long run`
`15:56.12`	Funkeh`	`Mimesis: its not help me make, its gimme`
`15:56.14`	`[Ammo]`	`I don't like useless bloat`
`15:56.21`	`[Ammo]`	`ask funkeh :p`
`15:56.28`	`[Ammo]`	`I tell him no every week`
`15:56.33`	Funkeh`	`lol`
`15:57.13`	`Antiarc`	`I love LV's screen-edge-flash aggro alert.`
`15:57.15`	`Mimesis`	`would be kinda awesome if you could shake someone elses screen through the addon messages`
`15:57.23`	Funkeh`	`Antiarc`
`15:57.25`	Funkeh`	`i ask you`
`15:57.31`	Funkeh`	`what does agro alert have to do wiht boss mods`
`15:57.32`	`Antiarc`	`I use a sound notifier, but the screen flash just really does it for me :)`
`15:57.41`	`Mimesis`	`banzai has that doesn it`
`15:57.52`	`[Ammo]`	`Banzai has aggro alert stuff`
`15:57.55`	`Antiarc`	`Eh. Part of a successful boss fight involves reacting to aggro at times.`
`15:58.04`	`Antiarc`	`See: Buru and Sartura.`
`15:58.14`	`Mimesis`	`no thats the part of a succesful aggroalert mod`
`15:58.20`	`Mimesis`	`not bossmod`
`15:58.20`	Funkeh`	`that doesn't answer my question`
`15:58.29`	Funkeh`	`exactly`
`15:58.34`	`CIA-17`	`03ag * r24248 10ag_UnitFrames/ag_GroupClass.lua:`
`15:58.34`	`CIA-17`	`ag_UnitFrames`
`15:58.34`	`CIA-17`	`<PROTECTED>`
`15:58.35`	`FryGuy`	`get banzai`
`15:58.35`	`[Ammo]`	`there is one major difference between BigWigs and other Bossmods`
`15:58.41`	`Antiarc`	`I'd disagree. An integral part of the Buru mechanic is that a random person gets aggro and needs to respond quickly to not get gibbed.`
`15:58.46`	`FryGuy`	`i love banzai's aggro alert where it makes the red on the edges of the scree`
`15:58.49`	`[Ammo]`	`BigWigs tries to be strategy free`
`15:59.11`	`Mimesis`	`bigwigs is modular, and doesnt have functions provided by other ace mods in it`
`15:59.16`	Funkeh`	`Antiarc: if you cant respond to YOU ARE BEING WATCHED or whatever you are a retard anyway(not you in particular :p)`
`15:59.20`	`Mimesis`	`thats the main difference`
`15:59.28`	`CIA-17`	`03sylvanaar * r24249 10Prat/ (Prat.lua Prat.toc PratFu.lua util.lua): Prat: Changes the menu system to add categories, and favorites`
`15:59.30`	`Antiarc`	Funkeh`: But isn't that an aggro alert anyway?
`15:59.32`	`Antiarc`	`shrug`
`15:59.34`	`CIA-17`	`03ag * r24250 10ag_UnitFrames/ag_GroupClass.lua:`
`15:59.34`	`CIA-17`	`ag_UnitFrames`
`15:59.34`	`CIA-17`	`<PROTECTED>`
`15:59.40`	Funkeh`	`thats a message`
`15:59.47`	Funkeh`	`its not a flashy screen`
`15:59.48`	`Mimesis`	`no, thats relaying the info of an emote`
`15:59.50`	`Mimesis`	`to you`
`16:00.09`	`[Ammo]`	`well this discussion is moot anyway`
`16:00.11`	`Antiarc`	Funkeh`: I don't see what the difference is between a textual or graphical alert. shrug
`16:00.14`	`[Ammo]`	`aggro alert -> banzai`
`16:00.17`	`Antiarc`	`But it doesn't matter a whole lot to me either way.`
`16:00.21`	`[Ammo]`	`item checks etc etc -> ora/ctra`
`16:00.25`	`[Ammo]`	`boss mods => bigwigs`
`16:00.29`	`Antiarc`	`I just like that particular feature of LV. Maybe doesn't belong in BW, but I like it. :)`
`16:00.37`	Funkeh`	`Antiarc: theres a message when you are being watched, nothing to do wiht agro, LV has an agro alert mod, works on anything`
`16:01.04`	`vhaarr`	`BanzaiAlert works on anything as well.`
`16:01.05`	`Mimesis`	`pretty sure bigwigs + banzai would accomplish that`
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`16:01.23`	`Mimesis`	`and probably save cpu due to shared events`
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`16:03.05`	Funkeh`	`ive got an idea`
`16:03.05`	`Adirelle\|work`	Funkeh`: I once coded a addon who put the skull raid symbol on the player who has mob aggro (watched mob could be designated by hunter mark or another raid symbol)
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`16:03.28`	`Trancer`	`sylvanaar: that Prat warning about petbars being tainted is 'weird', wth is tainted? :o`
`16:03.40`	`Adirelle\|work`	`but I didn't tried to run it since 2.0`
`16:04.17`	ag`	`Trancer: means modified, and thus insecure`
`16:04.33`	`Mimesis`	`is that getting fixed today`
`16:04.33`	`Trancer`	`ah`
`16:04.39`	`Mimesis`	`with 2.03`
`16:04.40`	ag`	`insecure stuff can't do the stuff it's supposed to since 2.0`
`16:04.47`	`Adirelle\|work`	`and insecure means that "evil addon coders could use it to target or cast spell !"`
`16:05.03`	`Trancer`	`that probly explains the FrameXML errors I keep getting (other addons tho)`
`16:05.15`	`Trancer`	`some bug in ag y'day with UnitClass on line 786, but haven't been able to replicate`
`16:05.23`	`Trancer`	`got spammed to death with it y'day in AB (was a SVN pull from y'day)`
`16:05.36`	`Mimesis`	`ya i was getting that yest on group join`
`16:05.39`	`Trancer`	`was only in that one BG tho, dunno why it happened`
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`16:06.19`	`[Ammo]`	`Trancer: I think I saw a commit message with that linenumber about some fix`
`16:06.23`	`[Ammo]`	`so it's probably fixed`
`16:06.26`	`Trancer`	`hmm, current Prat on SVN page says it is "out of date"`
`16:06.33`	`Trancer`	`yeah, just installed a new version, seeing if it happens`
`16:06.51`	`Trancer`	`big wigs also out of date`
`16:07.09`	`[Ammo]`	`Trancer: EU or US?`
`16:07.10`	ag`	`uh, everything is if noone updated it after 2.0.3`
`16:07.11`	`Trancer`	`EU`
`16:07.12`	`Silviu--`	`Trancer cause they have 2000`
`16:07.16`	`Silviu--`	`3`
`16:07.17`	`Silviu--`	`as toc`
`16:07.21`	`[Ammo]`	`tomorrow it'll be ok :p`
`16:07.26`	`Trancer`	`ah, right`
`16:07.27`	`[Ammo]`	`.toc was updated already for patch`
`16:07.31`	`Trancer`	`silly WoW`
`16:07.34`	`[Ammo]`	`just click 'load out of date'`
`16:07.47`	`Trancer`	`it should see that "2003" is higher than BLA and just accept it`
`16:07.56`	ag`	`[Ammo]: what should I set the toc to?`
`16:08.02`	ag`	`20300?`
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`16:08.33`	Funkeh`	`20003 ?`
`16:08.34`	`[Ammo]`	`20003 it would seem from the various commits`
`16:08.50`	ag`	`strange`
`16:08.54`	`[Ammo]`	`but I don't have US WoW :)`
`16:09.04`	`deltron`	`they nerfed my BWL trinket :(`
`16:09.09`	ag`	`I don't either, I am just going to update it now anyway`
`16:09.37`	`[Ammo]`	`yeah should be alright`
`16:09.50`	`CIA-17`	`03ag * r24251 10ag_UnitFrames/ag_UnitFrames.toc:`
`16:09.50`	`CIA-17`	`ag_UnitFrames`
`16:09.50`	`CIA-17`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`16:10.38`	`Trancer`	`hmmhmh.. the aguf on the current files page is pretty broken ;)`
`16:11.12`	`Trancer`	`doesn't show the text (name, health etc.)`
`16:11.29`	`Mimesis`	`did you try changing scale`
`16:11.33`	`Trancer`	`it does show the text in ToT`
`16:11.39`	`Trancer`	`no, of ToToT`
`16:11.42`	`Trancer`	`trying now`
`16:11.55`	`Trancer`	`doesn't help`
`16:12.18`	`Mimesis`	`people have reported something about text boxes being sized wierdly, ive never come across a problem myself`
`16:13.39`	ag`	`Trancer: what layout do you use`
`16:13.46`	ag`	`and does it do it for all layouts`
`16:13.48`	`Trancer`	`ABF, yABF also broken`
`16:13.50`	`Trancer`	`yes`
`16:14.01`	`Trancer`	`but I got it back when I changed the scale of the text and after that the custom format`
`16:14.09`	ag`	`yABF is broken because I am not updating it anymore`
`16:14.34`	`Trancer`	`ABF seems broken`
`16:14.39`	ag`	`how?`
`16:14.52`	`Trancer`	`no text on the bars, let me screen it, sec`
`16:15.04`	ag`	`there's text at mine`
`16:15.16`	`snurre-`	ag`: would it be possible to add a TargetOfFocus frame?
`16:15.31`	ag`	`It's not impossible, no`
`16:15.40`	`[Ammo]`	`partytargets! :)`
`16:15.42`	`snurre-`	`drool`
`16:16.01`	ag`	`problem with all those partytargets focustarget targettargettarget`
`16:16.14`	`[Ammo]`	`they are not firing unit events right?`
`16:16.15`	`Trancer`	ag`: I got the text to update after I entered the custom format, trying to see what triggers atm
`16:16.36`	ag`	`[Ammo]: no, and that's the problem, because they update themselves on a timer`
`16:16.48`	ag`	`I don't like having a million of those`
`16:16.49`	`[Ammo]`	`yeah`
`16:16.54`	`[Ammo]`	`well some people do ;)`
`16:17.03`	`snurre-`	`cant be throttled?`
`16:17.08`	`Mimesis`	`option please!`
`16:17.10`	`[Ammo]`	`in small groups 5 / 10 man it's cool to have targets of everyone`
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`16:17.20`	`[Ammo]`	`so I can see who the hell is doing what`
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`16:17.39`	ag`	`Trancer: dunno what to say, everything works 100% fine here.`
`16:18.04`	`Trancer`	`hmyeah, might be some config conflict or so, trying to reset and see what happens`
`16:18.14`	`Mimesis`	`trancer, did you tell what text scale (is that an option) and normal scale you're using`
`16:18.20`	`renchap`	ag`: is it possible to display mana bar when in cat form with aguf ? cant find the option
`16:18.21`	ag`	`[Ammo]: with a watchdog tag you can easily get the name of a players target in their frame`
`16:18.25`	`Trancer`	`yeah, tried that, no soup Mimesis`
`16:18.28`	ag`	`renchap: no`
`16:18.40`	`renchap`	`:(`
`16:18.53`	ag`	`There's no easy way to get that value`
`16:19.11`	ag`	`I think you have to calculate it or something`
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`16:19.37`	`[Ammo]`	ag`: I just like to see complete frames for them :)
`16:19.52`	`[Ammo]`	`but can live withot as well`
`16:20.02`	`Antiarc`	`Is there a Wowwiki API page mirror out there?`
`16:20.14`	`Dhraga`	`hmm do we have a ace addon to replace the GFW_addspace, wich adds info to recipes tooltip if they are vendor sold and where to find them ?`
`16:20.16`	`Tovort`	`[Ammo]: you might hack ora2 for those party targets`
`16:20.34`	`[Ammo]`	`Tovort: now why on earth would I want to do that?!`
`16:20.36`	`Antiarc`	`Dhraga: I have some Ace mod that does that`
`16:20.39`	`Antiarc`	`I'm not sure which one though.`
`16:20.40`	`Mimesis`	`is ora2 not setup to accept modules`
`16:20.45`	ag`	`[Ammo]: I know, but I am not sure what to do about them exactly`
`16:20.51`	ag`	`and lets say you have party targets`
`16:20.52`	`Hjalte`	`KarlThePagan: http://ace.pastey.net/4796`
`16:20.56`	`Trancer`	`http://monastery.scarlet.nl/WoWScrnShot_010907_171455.jpg`
`16:20.57`	`Trancer`	`like that`
`16:20.59`	ag`	`then what if you're in a 10 man raid?`
`16:21.04`	`[Ammo]`	`raidtargets :p`
`16:21.08`	ag`	`should we allow raid targets?`
`16:21.09`	`Tovort`	`[Ammo] Cause Player's Targets are obviously what you want`
`16:21.18`	`KarlThePagan`	`Hjalte, delete Quixote from the Grouper directory`
`16:21.19`	ag`	`and raid targets would kill everything`
`16:21.21`	`[Ammo]`	`Tovort: no it's not what I want`
`16:21.24`	`Mimesis`	`ag: definately`
`16:21.26`	`KarlThePagan`	`I'll need to fix that issue`
`16:21.36`	`[Ammo]`	ag`: that was one request I wanted to make
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`16:21.46`	`[Ammo]`	ag`: different layout and location setups based on raidsize
`16:21.54`	`Dhraga`	`antiarc, would you know the name of it mate ?`
`16:22.00`	`Trancer`	`hmm yeah wha tammo says is nice`
`16:22.01`	`[Ammo]`	`for instance a 10 man raid I want bigger frames and in a different position than a 25 or 40 man one :)`
`16:22.08`	`kenlyric\|work`	`you put their pet on the left and their target on the right :)`
`16:22.11`	ag`	`Trancer: suggestion here, try disabling all other addons and reset your saved vars`
`16:22.14`	`Trancer`	`or per AB/WSG/AV`
`16:22.15`	`Antiarc`	`I don't remember, Dhraga`
`16:22.19`	`Antiarc`	`I'm not sure which it is.`
`16:22.19`	`Trancer`	ag`: alright
`16:22.22`	`[Ammo]`	`not talking PvP here`
`16:22.23`	`Dhraga`	`okies`
`16:22.43`	ag`	`[Ammo]: Yeah, all I need to do is add a profile system that will enable and disable custom groups according to profiles`
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`16:22.55`	ag`	`you can have duplicates of raid groups`
`16:23.04`	ag`	`so you could create a new group one and place it somewhere else`
`16:23.10`	`KarlThePagan`	`thx Hjalte added to known issues`
`16:23.27`	ag`	`I just need a raid profile system that allows you to change between which groups are visible when`
`16:23.33`	`Hjalte`	`KarlThePagan: Np, i just decided to test it out today :)`
`16:23.34`	`[Ammo]`	ag`: sweet
`16:23.40`	`[Ammo]`	`I have patience, so take your time`
`16:23.49`	ag`	`It's on the table soon though`
`16:23.55`	ag`	`I fixed most current bugs`
`16:23.58`	`KarlThePagan`	`cool after you remove the quix embed lemme know if there are issues`
`16:24.07`	`Trancer`	mm ag`, yep, works now (deleted vars)
`16:24.08`	`KarlThePagan`	`Elkano said "scan doesn't work" but it works for me`
`16:24.13`	`Trancer`	`let's see what happens when I load the rest of the addons`
`16:24.52`	`KarlThePagan`	`adding more lfg tasks and will hopefully have all of them updating as appropriate`
`16:25.21`	`KarlThePagan`	`guess I gotta go to work today tho :P`
`16:25.29`	`Trancer`	`hmm still working, probly some old vars colliding`
`16:26.15`	`Hjalte`	`sigh A translator broke an addon.. And now I'm contacting the author, to try and get him to fix it. Poor him.`
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`16:26.55`	Funkeh`	`all too comon`
`16:26.56`	`[Ammo]`	`hmm the blizzard LFG interface does not allow you to see LFG/LFM for instances outside your levelrange`
`16:27.03`	`[Ammo]`	`but do the API functions allow it?`
`16:27.11`	`KarlThePagan`	`ammo - no :(`
`16:27.15`	`[Ammo]`	`sigh`
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`16:27.27`	`KarlThePagan`	`there used to be an interface option`
`16:27.29`	`KarlThePagan`	`but it's gone`
`16:27.34`	`Prophy`	`new patch??`
`16:27.52`	`Grine`	`yeah Prophy`
`16:28.05`	`Grine`	`btw, any TBC event yet? US ppl that is`
`16:28.08`	`KarlThePagan`	`I think I last noticed the option dissappearing in the patch`
`16:28.17`	`KarlThePagan`	`US servers down afaik`
`16:28.17`	`kenlyric\|work`	`servers not up yet.`
`16:28.43`	`kenlyric\|work`	`7pm UTC is usual, on patch day they usually don't come up earlier.`
`16:29.03`	`KarlThePagan`	`[Ammo], if I check out the old blizz UI code from the PTR I might be able to see if it still exists in the API`
`16:29.20`	`[Ammo]`	`that's what I was asking`
`16:29.24`	`[Ammo]`	`if it exsists in the API`
`16:29.32`	`Trancer`	ag`: seems to be all fine after trashing savedvars
`16:29.32`	`[Ammo]`	`I know it's not in the UI`
`16:30.09`	`CIA-17`	`03sylvanaar * r24252 10Prat/modules/ChannelNames.lua: Prat: Fixes issues with channels 1-10 having replacement turned off and not actually turning it off`
`16:30.28`	ag`	`Trancer: good`
`16:31.06`	`Trancer`	ag`: one 'feature' request, not sure if it's easy to implement, the party frames are sort of glued together, would be nice if the same was possible with ToToT
`16:31.25`	`Trancer`	`i.e. drag one, other sticks along`
`16:32.43`	`Dhraga`	`anyone using dogchow ?`
`16:32.48`	`KarlThePagan`	`Kemayo, this happens with 2 addons installed which provide Quixote - http://ace.pastey.net/4796`
`16:32.52`	`KarlThePagan`	`~seen Kemayo`
`16:33.11`	`purl`	`kemayo is currently on #wowi-lounge #wowace. Has said a total of 5 messages. Is idling for 13h 57m 35s, last said: 'Wow, there's a lot of agUF "addon tried to call protected function" stuff now.'.`
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`16:34.00`	`Matrix110`	`WAU needs a option delete old changelog.txt!`
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`16:34.10`	`Matrix110`	`and no the DeleteBeforeExtracting isnt what i mean:P`
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`16:34.46`	`Wogroipl`	ag`: are you here?
`16:35.18`	`Prophy`	`any mirrors to dl patch?`
`16:35.32`	`Mimesis`	`google`
`16:35.39`	`Mimesis`	`found one right awy`
`16:35.40`	`Prophy`	`up urs`
`16:35.46`	`Mimesis`	`dont have link tho`
`16:35.52`	`Herio`	`omg servers down`
`16:35.53`	`Herio`	`=(`
`16:35.58`	`Mimesis`	`not gonna find it for lazy you tho`
`16:36.00`	`Matrix110`	`http://a.wirebrain.de/wow/`
`16:36.12`	`Matrix110`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/Patch_mirrors`
`16:36.30`	`Prophy`	`thanks matrix`
`16:36.54`	`CIA-17`	`03sylvanaar * r24253 10Prat/Prat.lua: Prat: One last bug having to do with numbered channels and channel name replacement`
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`16:37.41`	`Matrix110`	`I need a LudwigLinkBot!`
`16:38.01`	`Matrix110`	`Only exists for Lootlink sadly:-(`
`16:38.04`	`Matrix110`	`but Lootlink sucks`
`16:38.49`	`jjb`	`is there something wrong with the revision of the acelibs?`
`16:38.52`	`ilifin`	`is GetLink no longer being developed?`
`16:38.55`	`ilifin`	`thought ludwig require getlink`
`16:39.00`	`ilifin`	`and getlink had a getlinkbot`
`16:39.14`	`Matrix110`	`Ludwig requires nothing Oo`
`16:39.25`	`ilifin`	`used to require getlink before 2.0`
`16:39.30`	`Matrix110`	`nope`
`16:39.34`	`jjb`	`Fetching external item into 'AceConsole-2.0'`
`16:39.34`	`jjb`	`svn: PROPFIND request failed on '/wowace/!svn/bln/24253'`
`16:39.35`	`jjb`	`svn: No such revision 24253`
`16:39.42`	`Matrix110`	`used Ludwig before 2.0 and didnt have Getlink anytime`
`16:39.55`	`ilifin`	`weird, mine didn't work without`
`16:40.06`	`Matrix110`	`weird`
`16:40.12`	`ilifin`	`anyhow, getlink and ludwig work on the same premises for itemlinks, should look for getlinkbot I guess`
`16:40.35`	`Matrix110`	`ill take a look`
`16:40.36`	`Matrix110`	`thanks`
`16:41.11`	`[Ammo]`	`what does that bot do?`
`16:41.18`	`Matrix110`	`ilifin:Ludwig is an item link database mod based on GetLink.`
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`16:41.41`	`Matrix110`	`!item Name and then whispers you 10names that match with your query`
`16:41.52`	`Matrix110`	`got it already for enchanting`
`16:41.55`	`Matrix110`	`makes it so much easier`
`16:42.06`	`Matrix110`	`never anyone askin what mats he needs for enchatn x`
`16:42.24`	`[Ammo]`	`ah ok`
`16:42.27`	`[Ammo]`	`I use itemDB`
`16:42.38`	`ilifin`	`yea, I used to have !ll itemname for getlinkbot`
`16:42.45`	`ilifin`	`was my favorite little thingie`
`16:42.59`	`ilifin`	`i.e. when doing looting for nefarian and people always forget what items the head gives`
`16:43.08`	`ilifin`	`"!ll master dragonslayer" in raidchat and voila`
`16:43.15`	`vhaarr`	`neat`
`16:43.20`	`Matrix110`	`ye it was very nice`
`16:43.31`	`Matrix110`	`we got quite some people refusing to use mods but then they ask for Items..`
`16:44.10`	`[Ammo]`	`should prod Elkano to finish InventoryLib`
`16:44.10`	`vhaarr`	`haha`
`16:44.10`	`[Ammo]`	`and the new itemDB based on it :)`
`16:44.10`	`vhaarr`	`People who refuse to use mods don't know what they're missing.`
`16:44.10`	`[Ammo]`	`prod`
`16:44.10`	`vhaarr`	`~seen elkano`
`16:44.21`	`purl`	`elkano <i=Elkano@client0895.vpn.uni-saarland.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 6h 1m 11s ago, saying: 'KarlThePagan, and scanning still doesn't work :/'.`
`16:44.21`	`[Ammo]`	`we have some vanilla players too`
`16:44.23`	`[Ammo]`	`but somehow they do install BigWigs :p`
`16:44.23`	`vhaarr`	`^^`
`16:44.23`	`ilifin`	`hah`
`16:44.25`	`[Ammo]`	`'can't live without those timerbars'`
`16:44.35`	`ilifin`	`I figured how to make raidwide timers with bigwigs the other day`
`16:44.35`	`*** join/#wowace Elkano (n=elkano@ip-213-135-2-172.handshake.de)`
`16:44.43`	`vhaarr`	`haha`
`16:44.45`	`ilifin`	`and suddenly the whole raid had installed bigwigs to toy with it`
`16:44.46`	`Matrix110`	`funnily 2 of the people that use no mods are the best players^^`
`16:44.48`	`vhaarr`	`Congratulations :)`
`16:44.57`	`ilifin`	`was like 100 timers running`
`16:44.58`	`KarlThePagan`	`Elkano, :D fixed reported issues, but I'm not sure what you mean by "scanning still doesn't work"`
`16:45.00`	`vhaarr`	`Matrix110: They probably use mods, they just don't tell you.`
`16:45.02`	`*** join/#wowace evl (n=fuckoff@c85-196-101-98.static.sdsl.no)`
`16:45.05`	`Matrix110`	`nah they really dont`
`16:45.10`	`vhaarr`	`What class?`
`16:45.11`	`Barbanus`	`best feature of LV, make everyone in your raid do an emote to a person`
`16:45.24`	`Barbanus`	`I mean, whats better than having 40 people /spit your raid leader?`
`16:45.27`	`[Ammo]`	`wow that is indeed the best feature`
`16:45.33`	`vhaarr`	`If they're healers, they are lying.`
`16:45.37`	`ilifin`	`hahah`
`16:45.39`	`vhaarr`	`Warrior/Rogue then maybe.`
`16:45.41`	`Matrix110`	`Rogue/Priest and Warrior`
`16:45.41`	`ilifin`	`bigwigs needs that`
`16:45.45`	`CIA-17`	`03karlthepagan * r24254 10Quixote/Quixote-1.0/Quixote-1.0.lua: Quixote: added all quests iterator`
`16:45.46`	`vhaarr`	`right`
`16:45.51`	`[Ammo]`	`rofl`
`16:46.00`	`[Ammo]`	`well our top paladin used no mods apart from Bigwigs`
`16:46.01`	`Tornhoof`	`yeh`
`16:46.02`	`Adirelle\|work`	`be warned that some people considers this feature of LV an backdoor...`
`16:46.03`	`Matrix110`	`he heals better than any other Priests though`
`16:46.04`	`ilifin`	`we got a druid in our raids who is vanilla apart from ora and bigwigs`
`16:46.04`	`Elkano`	`KarlThePagan, well when I have it 'scan', dungeons again showed 3 hits but none of the dungeons had a group shown`
`16:46.11`	`Adirelle\|work`	`(no idea what blue think of it tho)`
`16:46.13`	`Tornhoof`	`a hidden mass emote mode`
`16:46.18`	`Tornhoof`	`like that old flute`
`16:46.22`	`deltron`	`la vendetta can do that?`
`16:46.23`	`[Ammo]`	`he did use macros, lots of em`
`16:46.23`	`Tornhoof`	`just raidintern :D`
`16:46.45`	`*** join/#wowace Kinkx (i=bleh@193.80-203-70.nextgentel.com)`
`16:46.48`	`KarlThePagan`	`Elkano, interesting - I haven't been able to reproduce it, could you turn on debugging and chat-copy some of the output?`
`16:46.54`	`Barbanus`	`Adirelle\|work, how is it a backdoor?`
`16:46.59`	`Adirelle\|work`	`other feature offered by LB is remotely enabling (or disabling) boss mod, and loggin out people`
`16:46.59`	`Elkano`	`I'll try`
`16:47.02`	`KarlThePagan`	`thx`
`16:47.05`	`Adirelle\|work`	`Barbanus: "considered"`
`16:47.22`	`Matrix110`	`hmm cant find GetLinkBot:-(`
`16:47.26`	`KarlThePagan`	`you're comparins this against the blizzard lfg interface right?`
`16:47.40`	`KarlThePagan`	`sometimes people are still in the LFG system for dungeons they're not interested in :(`
`16:47.48`	`Adirelle\|work`	`Barbanus: i'm not sure people are aware that the raid leader and assistants can emote/log them out`
`16:47.51`	`KarlThePagan`	`often raids & zones`
`16:47.57`	`Matrix110`	`oh lol GetLinkBot is included in GetLink`
`16:48.03`	`Adirelle\|work`	`s/sure people/sure people using LV/`
`16:48.03`	`Barbanus`	`Adirelle\|work, considered by whom?`
`16:48.23`	`Barbanus`	`Oh, our raid knows, lol`
`16:48.23`	`Adirelle\|work`	`Barbanus: seen comments of this kind on french UI&Macros forums`
`16:48.27`	`pastamancer`	`~framexml`
`16:48.32`	`purl`	`get the official Blizzard Interface AddOn Kit here: http://www.blizzard.com/support/wow/?id=aww01671p -- Beta: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/downloads/expansion-bc/addonkit.zip`
`16:48.33`	`*** join/#wowace Vegeta]BT[ (n=Vegeta-G@pD9E08735.dip0.t-ipconnect.de)`
`16:48.35`	`Barbanus`	`when the leader made everyone /spit on the tank when he fucked up :P`
`16:48.49`	`Barbanus`	`it was epic`
`16:48.57`	`jjb`	`how it works? :)`
`16:49.07`	`Herio`	`that word gets thrown around too much`
`16:49.20`	`Herio`	`kinda like heroic`
`16:49.25`	`Herio`	`or legendary`
`16:49.27`	`Adirelle\|work`	`Barbanus: but well, the topics I read was a bit paranoid and people didn't know what LV could really do`
`16:49.50`	`Adirelle\|work`	`jjb : simply sending addon message and LV on "client" then does the emote`
`16:49.52`	`Herio`	`it's a mod, you install it, and it can do a lot`
`16:49.57`	`Barbanus`	`Adirelle\|work, unfortunately, you could do all kinds of "bad" things with the raid channel backend`
`16:50.03`	`Matrix110`	`hmm jjb and a german host hmmm! do we know each other?`
`16:50.08`	`Adirelle\|work`	`jjb: will only work with people also using LV`
`16:50.10`	`jjb`	`but its not direct implemented?`
`16:50.15`	`jjb`	`only in the client?`
`16:50.57`	`Barbanus`	`You can program something that will make every player send a message to general saying some obscene thing, and get everyone banned, if you wanted.`
`16:51.04`	`jjb`	`if you played RO, then maybe :)`
`16:51.09`	`Matrix110`	`ok i did:P`
`16:51.38`	`Elkano`	`KarlThePagan, I know that you don't get uregistered properly by Blizzard's tool but in that case it's 00% based on Grouper's display`
`16:51.50`	`jjb`	`i cant checkout this stupid ace libs :/`
`16:52.04`	`Adirelle\|work`	`btw, I can found use to this features, even logging out people`
`16:52.06`	`*** join/#wowace Baraius (n=Baraius@66.219.47.233)`
`16:52.21`	`KarlThePagan`	`100%?`
`16:52.34`	`*** part/#wowace Neuro_Medivh (i=Neuro@pool-71-96-153-94.dfw.dsl-w.verizon.net)`
`16:52.35`	`Elkano`	`ähmm... yes ^^`
`16:52.40`	`KarlThePagan`	`hehe`
`16:52.52`	`Adirelle\|work`	`(notice that it doesn't log out directly, you have the 20-seconds dialog box)`
`16:52.57`	`Tornhoof`	`yes adirelle that works`
`16:53.01`	`jjb`	`btw. i improved Detox a bit`
`16:53.01`	`Tornhoof`	`there is some raid mod`
`16:53.11`	`Tornhoof`	`which discons players which are afk`
`16:53.15`	`KarlThePagan`	`yea the hits per-category are based on the number of player names in the category so if the count is off something is way wrong`
`16:53.20`	`jjb`	`but i first have to ask the author if i can make it public :)`
`16:53.25`	`Barbanus`	`Tornhoof, LaVendetta :P`
`16:53.30`	`Barbanus`	`we have been talking about it`
`16:53.52`	`Pkekyo`	`is there some ace addon that gives a castbar for aimed shot and such?`
`16:53.57`	`jjb`	`merging smartdebuff with decursive, based on detox with additional features`
`16:54.13`	`Adirelle\|work`	`jjb: what ? oO`
`16:54.16`	`Barbanus`	`aimed shot should have a castbar, thats just retarded, IMO`
`16:54.33`	`Tornhoof`	`there is another one too barbanus`
`16:54.33`	`Adirelle\|work`	`Barbanus: it had on 2.0.1 PTR`
`16:54.37`	`Tornhoof`	`rdx or something`
`16:54.45`	`Tornhoof`	`that pay thingie`
`16:54.53`	`Barbanus`	`yea, RDX probably does it too, I dont use it`
`16:55.02`	`Barbanus`	`keywords "pay thingie"`
`16:55.07`	`jjb`	`decursive like smartdebuff but with priority and ignore list`
`16:55.09`	`Barbanus`	`aka, Barbanus doesn't use :P`
`16:55.24`	`Thorgard`	`More power to 'em.`
`16:55.40`	`Adirelle\|work`	`RDX and LV would prevent us the pleasure of having some AFK aggroing thrash in Onyxia's Lair...`
`16:55.44`	`jjb`	`i used it yesterday in bwl, and it works`
`16:55.48`	`Adirelle\|work`	`s/thrash/trash/`
`16:56.00`	`Barbanus`	`haha`
`16:57.13`	`evl`	`Anyway to get baggins to hide the bag names?`
`16:57.25`	`evl`	`sorta huge header font and I kinda recognize the bags after like... 10 seconds :P`
`16:58.08`	`Barbanus`	`I'm going to program a mod that sends a raid command that makes people open a trade with me, and give me all of their gold`
`16:58.12`	`Barbanus`	`if they are afk`
`16:58.26`	`Barbanus`	`they come back form being afk, and are broke`
`16:58.32`	`[Ammo]`	`Barbanus: they fixed that in 2.0 :p`
`16:58.35`	`Barbanus`	`go afk in Naxx again you bastard! :P`
`16:58.36`	Funkeh`	`lol`
`16:58.52`	`[Ammo]`	`trade now requires user interaction`
`16:59.06`	`Pkekyo`	`anyone else been having latency problems on the EU realms lately?`
`16:59.11`	`Barbanus`	`trade, or auction?`
`16:59.22`	`[Ammo]`	`trade`
`16:59.24`	`Adirelle\|work`	`trade`
`16:59.26`	`[Ammo]`	`auction as well probably`
`16:59.30`	`*** join/#wowace fenlis (n=jungseop@58.237.35.22)`
`16:59.31`	`Barbanus`	`ahhh`
`16:59.32`	`Barbanus`	`damn`
`16:59.37`	`Barbanus`	`kill my great idea`
`16:59.49`	`Adirelle\|work`	`i think disconnecting is better`
`17:00.01`	`evl`	`Pkekyo: quite`
`17:00.12`	`evl`	`Pkekyo: try a tracert eu.logon.worldofwarcraft.com`
`17:00.13`	`Elkano`	`btw: KarlThePagan, why do dnd, ok, ... have numbers in front of them? and coul you set up meaningfull tooltip hints for them?`
`17:00.13`	`Grine`	`wtf would you use auction for anyway? ^`
`17:00.20`	`Pkekyo`	`been having 4-6k ms all day, and can't seem to shake it...`
`17:00.54`	`Adirelle\|work`	`aaaah, Grine is a cyclop`
`17:01.05`	`Grine`	`well xchat is stupid :P`
`17:01.17`	`KarlThePagan`	`Elkano, soon - the 3rd number is the number of players you see in the LFG system the first 2 are going to be 1) the number you are in LFG/queue with and 2) the number you see who are in your current preferences`
`17:01.21`	`Grine`	`^^ pressing "4 times for ^^ is stupid`
`17:01.25`	`Pkekyo`	`evl: getting request canceled`
`17:01.26`	`Matrix110`	`bah some addon causing other addons to not work not the work begins-.-`
`17:01.43`	`Barbanus`	`Oooooo, i got a better one, a raid command that checks if you are the guild leader, and if you are, you make me the guild leader!`
`17:02.15`	`Matrix110`	`Cannot find a library instance of Babble-Spell-2.2. hmm!`
`17:02.30`	`Matrix110`	`i atleast find it in my addons`
`17:02.31`	`Matrix110`	`weird`
`17:02.49`	`Tornhoof`	`which reminds me, anyone happen to know the german translation of that new totemic call spell?`
`17:02.52`	`Pkekyo`	`evl: eight request canceled...`
`17:02.52`	`Pkekyo`	`should I start worrying now?`
`17:03.22`	`*** join/#wowace Tem (n=tardmrr@204.90.50.252)`
`17:03.22`	`*** mode/#wowace [+o Tem] by ChanServ`
`17:03.41`	`Barbanus`	`wtf are all of the "Lottery" functions in the wow API?`
`17:03.42`	`Mimesis`	`so any huge problems you guys with 2.03 are having?`
`17:05.37`	`Thorgard`	`My biggest problem with the 2.0.3 patch is that the servers are down.`
`17:05.37`	`Pkekyo`	`<PROTECTED>`
`17:05.37`	`Pkekyo`	`<PROTECTED>`
`17:05.37`	`Pkekyo`	`that's my tracert result to eu.logon.worldofwarcraft.com after 13 failed attempts...should I be worried or something?`
`17:05.39`	`Mimesis`	`eu seems up so guess im asking them :P`
`17:05.45`	`Grine`	`^^ so`
`17:05.57`	`Grine`	`Mimesis, we didn't get patch ;)`
`17:06.19`	`Adirelle\|work`	`eu is updated duriing tue to wed night`
`17:06.30`	`Mimesis`	`oh really`
`17:06.34`	`Adirelle\|work`	`yes`
`17:06.36`	`Trancer`	`Pkekyo: looks like big packetloss`
`17:06.38`	`Adirelle\|work`	`one day after US`
`17:06.47`	`*** join/#wowace Baraius_ (n=Baraius@66.219.47.231)`
`17:06.55`	`Trancer`	`Pkekyo: try ping`
`17:07.08`	`mjc`	`fuck you mIRC retards`
`17:07.09`	`Barbanus`	`which usually causes a bitchfest about US vs EU world firsts...`
`17:07.20`	`Trancer`	`Irssi 0.8.9 - http://irssi.org`
`17:07.27`	`Adirelle\|work`	`Mimesis : so that we know that will be a big mess one day before...`
`17:07.31`	`mjc`	`Pkekyo: it is firewalled, duh`
`17:07.34`	`Mimesis`	`im using this hydrairc`
`17:07.48`	`mjc`	`hydrairc is mIRC and some lamer's code`
`17:07.52`	`*** join/#wowace cali (n=cali@p54A34580.dip0.t-ipconnect.de)`
`17:07.58`	`Pkekyo`	`mjc: explain?`
`17:08.01`	`Mimesis`	`whats your point`
`17:08.12`	`Trancer`	`Pkekyo: it's not firewall, and if it is, ICMP type 8 is allowed, you can trace it fine`
`17:08.20`	`Trancer`	`Pkekyo: looks like quite big packetloss on your side tho`
`17:08.34`	`CIA-17`	`03sylvanaar * r24255 10Prat/modules/ChatButtons.lua:`
`17:08.35`	`CIA-17`	`Prat: More buttons fixes - use the handler template to update visibility on frames which arent the selected frame. And set the settings properly when the module is enabled.`
`17:08.35`	`CIA-17`	`Issue : 26`
`17:08.36`	`Trancer`	`Pkekyo: what does ping eu.logon.worldofwarcraft.com do?`
`17:08.37`	`Pkekyo`	`can't understand why, haven't gotten this before yesterday`
`17:08.47`	`Trancer`	`could be some interprovider crap`
`17:08.54`	`wizbor_`	`The txt that indicates" taget out of range" is that from Blizard or one of my Addons? I need to turn it off cant seem to find anything in Blizzards Interface option`
`17:08.58`	`Barbanus`	`Pkekyo, I get a 185ms ping to there from Vancouver, BC, Canada`
`17:09.05`	`Barbanus`	`No packet loss at all`
`17:09.12`	`Matrix110`	`Pings to ping eu.logon.worldofwarcraft.com wont work`
`17:09.20`	`Trancer`	`Matrix110: yes they will -.-`
`17:09.31`	`Adirelle\|work`	`pkekyo: there is probably 13 to 15 steps between your computer and the server`
`17:09.36`	`Barbanus`	`Matrix110, they work fine`
`17:09.37`	`Matrix110`	`oh wait i wrote it wrong`
`17:09.38`	`kergoth`	`jesus, upload a resume to a job site for the first time ever, and within hours, here comes the recruiter spam.. "i can help you find work.." "upload your resume (to some other site)"...`
`17:09.40`	`Matrix110`	`ops:P`
`17:09.43`	`Adirelle\|work`	`pkekyo: each can be a source of trouble`
`17:09.50`	`Trancer`	`kergoth: lol`
`17:10.12`	`Barbanus`	`Anyone who would block ICMP 8 who runs an online service that depends on good latency, is a fucking retard.`
`17:10.17`	`Pkekyo`	`Average time in milliseconds:`
`17:10.17`	`Pkekyo`	`<PROTECTED>`
`17:10.23`	`Pkekyo`	`that's my ping result`
`17:10.28`	`Grine`	`irssi hates windowsusers right?`
`17:10.36`	`Trancer`	`you can run it in cygwin afaik :p`
`17:10.38`	`Barbanus`	`Pkekyo, your tracert looked like packetloss though`
`17:10.48`	`Trancer`	`(irssi that is)`
`17:10.52`	`Barbanus`	`Pkekyo, notice the timeouts (aka the *)`
`17:11.12`	`Trancer`	`Pkekyo: what did ping tell you?`
`17:11.22`	`Adirelle\|work`	`Trancer: pong ?`
`17:11.25`	`Pkekyo`	`trancer:`
`17:11.25`	`Pkekyo`	`PkekyoAverage time in milliseconds:`
`17:11.25`	`Pkekyo`	`Pkekyominimum = 207ms, maximum = 211ms, average = 208ms`
`17:11.26`	`Pkekyo`	`Pkekyothat's my ping result`
`17:11.38`	`Trancer`	`100% received?`
`17:11.45`	`Barbanus`	`Pkekyo, do "ping -n 1000 eu.logon.worldofwarcraft.com", let it run for a bit`
`17:11.46`	`Pkekyo`	`4/4 recieved`
`17:11.58`	`Trancer`	`yeah, do ping -n 1000`
`17:12.11`	`Trancer`	`your ping is quite high tho`
`17:12.15`	`Barbanus`	`4 is too small of a sample set`
`17:12.17`	`Pkekyo`	`request denied`
`17:12.18`	`pastamancer`	`http://wowi.pastey.net/4800 2.0.0 -> 2.0.3 framexml diff`
`17:12.24`	`evl`	`I'm getting 500ms :(`
`17:12.26`	`Trancer`	`shouldn't be that high for norwegians, are you perhaps downloading a lot of crap?`
`17:12.27`	`Barbanus`	`Pkekyo, windows?`
`17:12.31`	`Trancer`	`evl: o_O`
`17:12.37`	`Pkekyo`	`running winxp`
`17:12.39`	`Trancer`	`evl: 42ms here`
`17:12.40`	`odt`	`why'd u ping the login server and not the realm?`
`17:12.42`	`evl`	`I'm on 25mbit`
`17:12.43`	`evl`	`SDSL`
`17:12.49`	`Barbanus`	`"ping -n 1000 eu.logon.worldofwarcraft.com" should work`
`17:12.50`	`Trancer`	`odt: because he is stuck on logging in ;)`
`17:12.51`	`Pkekyo`	`Trancer: not downloading anything at all`
`17:12.54`	`evl`	`I can download the internet and my ping should still be < 50ms`
`17:13.00`	`Trancer`	`odt: hmhm`
`17:13.10`	`evl`	`Problem is a router on telia's side :)`
`17:13.11`	`odt`	`Trancer: most likely cause the next step after login is contacting realm`
`17:13.18`	`Pkekyo`	`barbanus: just got alot of "request canceled" in there`
`17:13.36`	`Trancer`	`odt: if that breaks it will timeout presenting you a serverlist after it`
`17:13.39`	`odt`	`i've seen lots of weird stuff when messing with routing etc`
`17:14.14`	`Stinkfot`	`anyone using click2cast?`
`17:14.23`	`Stinkfot`	`or if the maker is around :P`
`17:14.30`	`Trancer`	`Stinkfot: I am`
`17:14.37`	`odt`	`if you have a local loopback adapter corresponding to your realm ip, but nothing listetning on it, then that will result in you not being able to log in, without a realm list`
`17:14.49`	`Stinkfot`	`Trancer ok any ide if one can make this macro work in it?`
`17:14.54`	`Stinkfot`	`./stopcasting /cast [combat] Blood Fury /stopcasting/cast Nature's Swiftness/stopcasting/cast Healing Wave`
`17:14.57`	`Trancer`	`odt: why would you have a local adapter with your realm ip bound to it? :D`
`17:15.04`	`odt`	`Trancer: i'm tunneling wow over ssh`
`17:15.06`	`odt`	`:D`
`17:15.09`	`Trancer`	`Stinkfot: ehh.. no idea`
`17:15.11`	`Trancer`	`lol wth odt`
`17:15.16`	`Trancer`	`why?! ;p firewalls? :P`
`17:15.23`	`Pkekyo`	`soeh.. -n 1000 = check this crap out thousand times?`
`17:15.24`	`Stinkfot`	`Trancer heh oke :P`
`17:15.25`	`odt`	`yeah`
`17:15.34`	`odt`	`also because my ssh box has better isp to overseas`
`17:15.35`	`sylvanaar`	`sweet my copy of TBC just shipped`
`17:15.41`	`Trancer`	`odt: ah`
`17:15.43`	`odt`	`i actually get a performance gain out of it`
`17:15.57`	`Trancer`	`wonder how much lag you gain with the wrapping to SSH tho`
`17:16.01`	`Pkekyo`	`got 200-300ms on all teh successful attempts on the ping so far...`
`17:16.04`	`Trancer`	`shouldn't be overly much tho`
`17:16.06`	`odt`	`nothing noticable`
`17:16.14`	`odt`	`40man raids work flawlessly`
`17:16.18`	`Trancer`	`hmmk`
`17:16.31`	`Pkekyo`	`got 2.3k ms steady ingame -_-`
`17:16.36`	`Pkekyo`	`even made my fuckin pet run away`
`17:16.38`	`Trancer`	`routes from .nl -> .de / .fr are nice enough from client pc's, so no need here`
`17:16.40`	`Grine`	`bah sylvanaar more fun to queue all night for it :P`
`17:16.54`	`Trancer`	`Pkekyo: looks to me like you are leeching something or perhaps hosting a trojan or so`
`17:17.07`	`Trancer`	`Pkekyo: right click on taskbar, select task manager`
`17:17.11`	`Trancer`	`go to network`
`17:17.16`	`odt`	`btw, just mistyped the login server dns name, and found this:`
`17:17.32`	`Pkekyo`	`virus sweep around 6am today, clean`
`17:17.41`	`odt`	`Name: eu.logon.worldofwarraft.com`
`17:17.42`	`odt`	`Address: 211.189.26.39`
`17:17.46`	`Trancer`	`not all virusses/trojans are detected`
`17:17.50`	`Trancer`	`odt: lol`
`17:18.07`	`Pkekyo`	`also, network usage is low, and stays like that except for the odd spike here and there`
`17:18.08`	`Trancer`	`Pkekyo: when there, go to view -> select columns`
`17:18.15`	`Trancer`	`Pkekyo: check "sent bytes per interval"`
`17:18.23`	`Trancer`	`hm Pkekyo`
`17:18.28`	`Barbanus`	`odt, wildcard dns?`
`17:18.47`	`Trancer`	`odt.is.a.hax0r.worldofwarraft.com has address 211.189.26.39`
`17:18.49`	`Trancer`	`likely ;)`
`17:18.57`	`Barbanus`	`Name: fdfs32423sfdfds432434.worldofwarraft.com`
`17:18.57`	`Barbanus`	`Address: 211.189.26.39`
`17:19.01`	`Barbanus`	`heh`
`17:19.17`	`Trancer`	`zomg, nslookup`
`17:19.28`	`Pkekyo`	`Trancer: still flatlined, two minor spikes, that's all`
`17:19.47`	`Trancer`	`Pkekyo: hrmz, you shouldn't be sending data then, probly some peering trouble at your / their / an enroute provider`
`17:19.48`	`Pkekyo`	`2% network usage`
`17:20.08`	`Pkekyo`	`also worth to note: my brother just asked why the same thing is happening to him...`
`17:20.10`	`Trancer`	`thats 2 mbit (given you got a 100 mbit nic)`
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`17:20.45`	`Barbanus`	`Pkekyo, same house? same ISP?`
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`17:20.59`	`Pkekyo`	`yeah`
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`17:21.26`	`Barbanus`	`you have multiple computers in the house?`
`17:21.36`	`Barbanus`	`if you do ... make sure they arent downloading/uploading`
`17:21.44`	`Pkekyo`	`just started happening two days ago...haven't seen anything like it before...also: surfing the web, playing BF2142, counter-strike etc is just fine...`
`17:21.51`	`Pkekyo`	`two computers, neither are up/downloading`
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`17:22.11`	`CIA-17`	`03eraslin * r24256 10DKPmon/DKPmon.toc: DKPmon: Update forum link`
`17:22.26`	`CIA-17`	`03eraslin * r24257 10DKPmon_FCZS/DKPmon_FCZS.toc: DKPmon_FCZS: Update forum link`
`17:22.51`	`CIA-17`	`03eraslin * r24258 10DKPmon_ZSumAuction/DKPmon_ZSumAuction.toc: DKPmon_ZSumAuction: Update forum link`
`17:23.19`	`Pkekyo`	`my brother also has the same flatline on the network tab in task manager`
`17:23.32`	`CIA-17`	`03eraslin * r24259 10DKPmon_CSV/DKPmon_CSV.toc: DKPmon_CSV: Update forum link`
`17:23.52`	`CIA-17`	`03eraslin * r24260 10DKPmon_eqDKP/DKPmon_eqDKP.toc: DKPmon_eqDKP: Update forum link`
`17:23.56`	`Elkano`	`I should start updating my addon's tocs :/`
`17:24.04`	`CIA-17`	`03eraslin * r24261 10Bidder/Bidder.toc: Bidder: Update forum link`
`17:24.27`	`CIA-17`	`03eraslin * r24262 10Bidder_FCZS/Bidder_FCZS.toc: Bidder_FCZS: Update forum link`
`17:24.28`	`Trancer`	`Pkekyo: probly ISP trouble then`
`17:24.34`	`CIA-17`	`03eraslin * r24263 10Bidder_ZSumAuction/Bidder_ZSumAuction.toc: Bidder_ZSumAuction: Update forum link`
`17:24.34`	`Pkekyo`	`gaah`
`17:24.39`	`Pkekyo`	`gonna blow'em all up`
`17:24.40`	`Pkekyo`	`bastards`
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`17:24.54`	`Pkekyo`	`I've gotta level my hunter before TBC ffs`
`17:25.13`	`Pkekyo`	`how long should a tracert -n 1000 take btw?`
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`17:25.38`	`Trancer`	`ping you mean?`
`17:25.42`	`Trancer`	`about 1000 seconds`
`17:25.46`	`Pkekyo`	`yeah, ping`
`17:25.47`	`Trancer`	`but if all received so far, just cancel it`
`17:25.53`	`Trancer`	`with ctrl c`
`17:26.05`	`Pkekyo`	`loads of "Request canceled" there`
`17:26.31`	`FryGuy`	`tracert -n 1000 should take about 0 seconds :p`
`17:26.37`	`FryGuy`	`i don't think 1000 is a routable ip`
`17:26.47`	`Pkekyo`	`rofl`
`17:26.47`	`Barbanus`	`ping -n 1000 does ping 1000 times`
`17:26.47`	`Pkekyo`	`indeed`
`17:27.03`	`Barbanus`	`so its gonna be your (pingtime * 1000) :P`
`17:27.07`	`FryGuy`	`0.0.3.232`
`17:27.09`	`Barbanus`	`thats how long it will take :P`
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`17:27.17`	`Trancer`	`Barbanus: nah, it sends a packet every second`
`17:27.20`	`FryGuy`	`well it depends.`
`17:27.20`	`Pkekyo`	`omfg, 100* 200-300ms?!`
`17:27.27`	`FryGuy`	`on windows it waits for the packet to drop first`
`17:27.29`	`Trancer`	`Barbanus: unless you send fragmented (-f)`
`17:27.35`	`FryGuy`	`if it doesn't respond`
`17:27.48`	`evl`	`BTW`
`17:27.51`	`FryGuy`	`on linux it keeps sending every second regardless`
`17:28.13`	`Barbanus`	`Trancer, no, in windows it sends 1000`
`17:28.14`	`evl`	`if anyone needs TBC, www.gamersloot.net is sending out keys 00:01 on launch day, you get the actual box sent after.`
`17:28.32`	`Barbanus`	`do "ping -n 10 google.com" tell me what it does`
`17:28.32`	`Trancer`	`Barbanus: it does, but it sends 1 packet every 1 second`
`17:28.52`	`FryGuy`	`evl: i trust the reputableness of something like that`
`17:29.04`	`evl`	`What do you mean`
`17:29.09`	`FryGuy`	`like.. is that place shady :p`
`17:29.19`	`Matrix110`	`evl the question is does your client work! its not 100% sure that the Beta Client actually works`
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`17:29.20`	`FryGuy`	`will they steal my money, or give me a broken cd-key`
`17:29.21`	`evl`	`I used gamersloot.net when the original game came out`
`17:29.34`	`Trancer`	`I love the quality of their website :o`
`17:29.36`	`evl`	`I had the game installed and running whilst the "preorder amazon junkies" had to wait 1-2 days :P`
`17:29.47`	`Trancer`	`makes me feel certain that they are nice people -.-`
`17:29.51`	`Barbanus`	`I wish blizz did that`
`17:29.55`	`evl`	`And stop with the internet paranoia, pay with PayPal = 1000$ insurance, kk thx bai`
`17:30.15`	`Barbanus`	`send me the damn key, send me the box 3 weeks later, I dont care`
`17:30.17`	`FryGuy`	`paypal is the devil though`
`17:30.18`	`Trancer`	`paypal.. brr.`
`17:30.28`	`evl`	`Barbanus: that's what they did for me last time :)`
`17:30.31`	`Trancer`	`how to loose money into the void aka paypalls bankaccount`
`17:30.32`	`evl`	`paypal WORKS`
`17:30.36`	`*** join/#wowace ven (i=ven@i59F5414B.versanet.de)`
`17:30.40`	`odt`	`they also accept cc's`
`17:30.46`	`Trancer`	`sure it works, unless someone (buyer/transferer) bitches`
`17:30.48`	`odt`	`also used them 2 years ago`
`17:30.50`	`Trancer`	`then paypal locks your acc`
`17:30.52`	`odt`	`so i can vouch for em`
`17:30.57`	`FryGuy`	`paypal also likes to put holds on your account and you lose all of your money`
`17:30.58`	`odt`	`gamersloot.net that is`
`17:31.00`	`Trancer`	`and tadaaa, all money in it is... gone!`
`17:31.01`	`evl`	`I've bouht 300+ items on eBay + various other sites, never had a problem`
`17:31.13`	`Trancer`	`right, what FryGuy says`
`17:31.25`	`Trancer`	`evl: wait till someone bitches ;) (an unhappy client for example)`
`17:31.32`	`evl`	`I'm selling things now?`
`17:31.35`	`evl`	`When did that happen`
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`17:32.05`	`FryGuy`	`isn't retail price 39.99?`
`17:32.27`	`evl`	`No idea :)`
`17:32.36`	`evl`	`Just bought 2 copies off gamersloot, I'll let you know how it went`
`17:32.37`	`FryGuy`	`that's what amazon says`
`17:33.06`	`evl`	`Payment To Gamer's Loot -$93.98 USD`
`17:33.12`	`evl`	`x2 incl shipping`
`17:33.16`	`Matrix110`	`34euros @Amazon`
`17:33.21`	`Matrix110`	`incl shipping`
`17:33.26`	`FryGuy`	`Delivery: Phone confirmation is required for all first time purchases. In most cases we will call you within 20 minutes of purchase, please check your spam folders and contact us on live chat if you do not hear from us within 12 hours of purchase! Key should be emailed shortly after phone confirmation. Nothing shipped.`
`17:33.30`	`odt`	`evl: which version? us/eu? or is there no difference for tbc?`
`17:33.40`	`evl`	`dunno, I'm EU`
`17:33.41`	`Matrix110`	`there is a difference`
`17:33.48`	`evl`	`34 Euros = 44.25100 U.S. dollars`
`17:33.57`	`Matrix110`	`you need to install the TBC client which your original client is`
`17:34.07`	`FryGuy`	`i have the beta though`
`17:34.11`	`Matrix110`	`same...`
`17:34.18`	`Elkano`	`KarlThePagan, strabge, this time it worked... but maybe you should change the blinking to: click if yellow`
`17:34.19`	`odt`	`Matrix110: well, you can always dl the client?`
`17:34.19`	`deltron`	`I just picked up the collectors edition off of shop.blizzard.com`
`17:34.19`	`FryGuy`	`so i assume you can just change the realm pointer file to live and it'll just work`
`17:34.23`	`deltron`	`supposedly hehe`
`17:34.24`	`odt`	`my main concern is the key`
`17:34.36`	`Matrix110`	`odt not the TBC one else i would dl a enGB one:P`
`17:34.38`	`Trancer`	`it's 29 eur`
`17:34.51`	`FryGuy`	`it says out of stock deltron :/`
`17:34.52`	`odt`	`Matrix110: well, your friend can still give you the box`
`17:35.01`	`odt`	`so it will be downloadable on 16th, i'm quite sure`
`17:35.07`	`Matrix110`	`my friends play on german servers and use the deDE version:P`
`17:35.11`	`Trancer`	`oh, it's 35 eur it seems, scumbags`
`17:35.14`	`odt`	`weather an unoficcial torrent or not`
`17:35.22`	`Trancer`	`odt: just need a key ;)`
`17:35.29`	`odt`	`exactly`
`17:35.29`	`Trancer`	`odt: you could even get the version from the blizz ftp before`
`17:35.36`	`Trancer`	`the current WoW tht is`
`17:35.39`	`Matrix110`	`i just hope you just need the key and can patchup your current client`
`17:35.41`	`Trancer`	`not sure if you still can`
`17:35.49`	`odt`	`so will any TBC key upgrade my old account`
`17:35.59`	`Matrix110`	`yes odt`
`17:36.03`	`odt`	`or just those fabricated for the EU market`
`17:36.06`	`evl`	`2.0.3 == TBC or do I need another patch?`
`17:36.09`	`Matrix110`	`not US keys maybe but dunno`
`17:36.12`	`snurre`	`# $20.00 for a second Burning Crusade Collector�s Edition box hihi`
`17:36.12`	`Trancer`	`Microsoft even offfers keys to be sold seperately ;)`
`17:36.20`	`Trancer`	`So you can upgrade your machine to a Genuine Windows XP ^^`
`17:36.24`	`Trancer`	`for the mere price of 114 euro ><`
`17:36.25`	`snurre`	`$10.00 for standard edition Burning Crusade boxes <3`
`17:36.27`	`Kemayo`	`KarlThePagan: Yeah, I know. It's ckknight's fault.`
`17:37.23`	`evl`	`With TBC money is almost not an issue`
`17:37.24`	`evl`	`giev game imho :P`
`17:37.37`	`Pkekyo`	`hmm.now I'm at 420-450ms`
`17:37.45`	`evl`	`686 :(`
`17:37.47`	`deltron`	`exactly evl`
`17:38.37`	`Barbanus`	`Pkekyo, did you call your ISP?`
`17:38.37`	`kergoth`	`this gamersloot place is reputable? hmm`
`17:38.51`	`evl`	`dunno, I used them at original game launch`
`17:38.53`	`evl`	`worked flawlessly`
`17:38.54`	`FryGuy`	`you can also do it at http://onlinecdkey.com/index/worldofwarcraftexpansionburningcrusade-p-163.html`
`17:38.59`	`evl`	`got keys like 00:34 or something`
`17:39.13`	`evl`	`If you can't afford to lose 40$ don't do it :D`
`17:39.16`	`evl`	`same with buying gold`
`17:39.21`	`evl`	`which I don't do cough`
`17:39.24`	`Thorgard`	`...`
`17:39.36`	`FryGuy`	`onlinecdkey place is owned by the gold farmers though i think :/`
`17:39.40`	`Trancer`	`the current daily wtf is just awesome ;)`
`17:39.43`	`Trancer`	`http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Little_Black_Book.aspx`
`17:40.06`	`Barbanus`	`snurre, $10 from where?`
`17:40.11`	`kergoth`	`Trancer: hahah`
`17:40.18`	`snurre`	`Barbanus: inside sales ;)`
`17:40.24`	`evl`	`How can they sell it for 29$ less than retail price?`
`17:40.38`	`Trancer`	`the bug report comment is just great, my god I can imagine the fun that code must be (given you dn't need to debug :P)`
`17:40.49`	`Barbanus`	`snurre, "inside"? you work for a retail chain or something?`
`17:41.09`	`snurre`	`nah, somewhere else`
`17:41.34`	`Barbanus`	`evl, some companies run promos for employees of companies that sell their product`
`17:41.48`	`Barbanus`	`they want you to own and use their product so you can say how wonderful it is`
`17:42.18`	`evl`	`I don't need to be convinced :D`
`17:42.25`	`Adirelle\|work`	`Barbanus: do they ship the cheat codes ?`
`17:42.30`	`Barbanus`	`snurre, are you a blizzard spy?!?`
`17:42.36`	`Barbanus`	`Adirelle\|work, haha`
`17:42.43`	`evl`	`besides, norwegian currency + oil prices - bush invading everything with oil in it = cheap dollar!`
`17:42.59`	`Barbanus`	`I got free copies of office, windows, all kinds of stuff when I used to work for Future Shop`
`17:43.09`	`KarlThePagan`	`Kemayo, :(`
`17:43.15`	`KarlThePagan`	`i'll bug him about it`
`17:43.17`	`snurre`	`Barbanus: spy? no ;)`
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`17:43.56`	`evl`	`If he had to pay for WoW working at Blizzard, I'd start to worry :D`
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`17:44.09`	`Barbanus`	`Anyone hear anything more about the petbar tainting, if it got sorted out for this patch? I didnt see it on the patch notes`
`17:44.11`	`Tornhoof`	`i'd be suprised if not evl`
`17:44.39`	`Tornhoof`	`most probably have some work account and some private account`
`17:45.00`	`Kemayo`	`KarlThePagan: The issue is that an AceComm prefix can't be changed once set, which causes issues with libraries, which have to transfer the prefix to another copy on an upgrade.`
`17:45.18`	`Barbanus`	`a friend of mine used to work in billing at blizz, he said he got a free account, he didnt say if he had to pay for the game disks, etc`
`17:45.28`	`Barbanus`	`however, they took his free account away when he quit :P`
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`17:46.07`	`KarlThePagan`	`Kemayo, perhaps you could set a "comm registered" state and only reg the prefix if that's not yet set`
`17:46.19`	`Pkekyo`	`Trancer still here?`
`17:46.34`	`Elkano`	`KarlThePagan, it failed again... and clicking to fast changed my status :/`
`17:46.59`	`Pkekyo`	`Barbanus: 11% loss on the ping -n 1000...very bad?`
`17:47.07`	`Tornhoof`	`yes`
`17:47.15`	`Tornhoof`	`pkekyo go ping your local gateway`
`17:47.23`	`KarlThePagan`	`Elkano, yea you can't click too fast... clicking too fast also will cause Blizzard to drop my querries`
`17:47.36`	`Barbanus`	`Pkekyo, thats high, yes.`
`17:47.39`	`Barbanus`	`I would call your ISP`
`17:47.44`	`Pkekyo`	`Tornhoof: local gateway?`
`17:47.51`	`Kemayo`	`KarlThePagan: The problem is that you need to register a particular addon-table as the prefix handler, which gets swept away when a library upgrade happens.`
`17:48.01`	`KarlThePagan`	`k`
`17:48.03`	`Elkano`	`well, why don't you code-throttle clicks? process clicks only if everything is ready`
`17:48.06`	`Tornhoof`	`first hop which is not in your network anymore`
`17:48.07`	`Barbanus`	`Pkekyo, in a traceroute, ping the 2nd hop`
`17:48.29`	`Barbanus`	`err yea, what Tornhoof said, the first one that isnt in your network`
`17:48.38`	`Tornhoof`	`start is your local computer, 2nd might be your own router, 3rd is gateway`
`17:48.44`	`Tornhoof`	`if you don't have any router`
`17:48.47`	`Tornhoof`	`2nd is gateway`
`17:49.06`	`KarlThePagan`	`Elkano, it's probably simpler to detect dropped querries and put them back in my queue but I'll look into it and probably require ctrl / shift to change your state`
`17:49.12`	`CIA-17`	`03sylvanaar * r24265 10Prat/modules/ChatFrames.lua: Prat: how to use "local PRAT_MODULE"`
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`17:49.38`	`Pkekyo`	`don't have a router... Computer --> Switch --> Cable modem`
`17:49.48`	`Elkano`	`well, I'd still simply block accepting of Scan-Clicks until the actual querry has finished`
`17:49.48`	`KarlThePagan`	`at any rate be sure that you re-descent into the browser menus I still need to hook dewdrop for the tables to refresh properly`
`17:49.56`	`KarlThePagan`	`if things look wrong that is`
`17:50.03`	`Barbanus`	`Wow..`
`17:50.03`	`Barbanus`	`http://blue.cardplace.com/newcache/forums.wow-europe.com/107571848.htm?posts=1`
`17:50.06`	`Kemayo`	`KarlThePagan: I'll take a look at how AceComm stores the prefix bindings, see whether I can (very hackishly) manually update them.`
`17:50.08`	`Tornhoof`	`pkekyo just use the first hop without a private ip`
`17:50.09`	`Barbanus`	`Ommra is getting pissed`
`17:50.15`	`Pkekyo`	`and barbanus, iirc, the second/third hop was only displayed as a star`
`17:50.19`	`KarlThePagan`	`Kemayo, evil ;)`
`17:50.33`	`Elkano`	`and you could add the gathered data to the plugins tablet ^^`
`17:50.41`	`Barbanus`	`Pkekyo, they are probably blocking pings`
`17:50.45`	`Kaelten`	`heh, OneBag is now on fileplanet, how the hell did that happen`
`17:50.55`	`Tornhoof`	`your local gateway should never block pings`
`17:51.09`	`Nomad_Wanderer`	`I hate the blizzard downloader sometimes.. Down rate 1.5k, uprate 70k`
`17:51.09`	`Barbanus`	`Pkekyo, i would seriously just call your ISP, have them look at it.`
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`17:51.14`	`Pkekyo`	`it was all stars up until hop 14/15, then 16 was a star again`
`17:51.19`	`Elkano`	`karl, have a look at ItemListFu what I'm doing with dewdrops tables ;)`
`17:51.26`	`Barbanus`	`Nomad_Wanderer, go to your Cache dir, grab the torrent file`
`17:51.34`	`Barbanus`	`use your own bittorrent client`
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`17:51.35`	`Barbanus`	`fixed!`
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`17:51.39`	`dafire`	`evening`
`17:51.50`	`Nomad_Wanderer`	`I might try that if I wasn't at 97% :)`
`17:51.55`	`Barbanus`	`haha`
`17:52.05`	`Elkano`	`instead of replacing the subtables of the AceData structure I simply re-set their data`
`17:52.05`	`Barbanus`	`I got the last 7mb in like 2 mins early this morning`
`17:52.05`	`dafire`	`hey... when i read the patchnotes it looks like there is some kind of event starting with the patch ?`
`17:52.11`	`Barbanus`	`I logged in as soon as the login server was up`
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`17:52.17`	`Barbanus`	`started downloading`
`17:54.23`	`Pkekyo`	`what patc? beta client?`
`17:54.23`	`dafire`	`retail patch`
`17:54.23`	`Barbanus`	`there is a patch in the US today`
`17:54.23`	`Barbanus`	`You get one tomorrow`
`17:54.23`	`dafire`	`and in eu tomorrow ;)`
`17:54.23`	`Pkekyo`	`cool`
`17:54.24`	`Pkekyo`	`Dark Portal opening event or something?`
`17:54.24`	`Barbanus`	`Pkekyo, the patch notes hinted at that, yes`
`17:54.24`	`dafire`	`A stirring of events has begun throughout Azeroth and rumor points`
`17:54.24`	`dafire`	`to the Dark Portal as its source.`
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`17:54.38`	`dafire`	`i know where i log out today ;)`
`17:54.42`	`Pkekyo`	`cool`
`17:54.50`	`Pkekyo`	`I'd better skip school and check it out then ^^`
`17:56.09`	`Antiarc`	`dafire: You won't be able to go through until BC hits :P`
`17:56.32`	`dafire`	`i know .9 but if they are quests or event stuff or whatever ;9`
`17:57.26`	`Chinku`	`hm, preparing for patchday? ;-)`
`17:57.56`	`nadas`	`sylvanaar: are you around and are you terribly busy? :)`
`17:59.05`	`Barbanus`	`lol wowwiki is stressed`
`17:59.13`	`Kirkburn`	`Indeed, patch tuesday`
`17:59.32`	`Kirkburn`	`Should improve, we're getting new hardware`
`17:59.33`	`Chinku`	`good luck, then. :-)`
`17:59.37`	`Chinku`	`muahahah :-)`
`17:59.47`	`Barbanus`	`Kirkburn,do you run wowwiki?`
`17:59.49`	`Chinku`	`Kirkburn, that's what they told the gilneas-EU players twice. :-)`
`18:00.00`	`Kirkburn`	`Chinku, lol`
`18:00.07`	`Kirkburn`	`Barbanus, no, but I am an admin`
`18:00.28`	`Chinku`	`Kirkburn, well, they did add hardware, but the way they did ...`
`18:00.58`	`dafire`	`they put a second 256 mb ram thing into the servers`
`18:01.20`	`Chinku`	`they moved Gilneas from a gameboy to a coffee machine, we guess. ;-)`
`18:01.36`	`KarlThePagan`	`Elkano, thanks for feedback got you a tooltip suggest better language if it looks funny ;)`
`18:01.41`	`CIA-17`	`03karlthepagan * r24266 10Grouper/ (GrouperAce.lua GrouperCore.lua):`
`18:01.41`	`CIA-17`	`Grouper:`
`18:01.41`	`CIA-17`	`<PROTECTED>`
`18:01.41`	`CIA-17`	`<PROTECTED>`
`18:01.41`	`CIA-17`	`<PROTECTED>`
`18:01.41`	`CIA-17`	`<PROTECTED>`
`18:01.41`	`KarlThePagan`	`be back soon`
`18:01.43`	`Nomad_Wanderer`	`no gilneas got the toaster oven. lothar got the cofee machine`
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`18:02.01`	`Thorgard`	`I've always wondered what a server farm of TI-83s looks like.`
`18:02.16`	`Tuller`	`Thorgard: green and black`
`18:02.27`	`Barbanus`	`Kirkburn, yea, I'm not sure hardware is ever enough to satisfy the wow community patch surge :P`
`18:02.36`	`Chinku`	`Thorgard, lol`
`18:02.53`	`Kirkburn`	`Barbanus, heh`
`18:03.42`	`Thorgard`	`Halt! Hammerzeit!`
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`18:04.01`	`Dekuna`	`lol patch`
`18:04.22`	`Pucmel`	`where ?`
`18:05.28`	`Gnarfoz`	`TheKarn: Can't touch this.`
`18:06.39`	`Dekuna`	`Pucmel: 2.0.3`
`18:07.06`	`Pucmel`	`noes, paladin nerf :(`
`18:07.23`	`Thorgard`	`Gnarfoz, you fail at tab-completion. ;P`
`18:07.35`	`Gnarfoz`	`Thorgard: oh. yea, I guess I do`
`18:07.46`	`Gnarfoz`	`~comfort Gnarfoz`
`18:07.55`	`purl`	`There, there, Gnarfoz. It's OK. I'm here for you.`
`18:07.55`	`Elkano`	`Barbanus, well, you could update to a point where it will fit almost all needs but it would lay unused most of the time... wouldn't it be possible to install a proxy that will either catch the page requested or post a "zomg overload"?`
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`18:10.01`	`CIA-17`	`03laotseu * r24267 10AllPlayed/ (AllPlayed.lua AllPlayed.toc):`
`18:10.01`	`CIA-17`	`AllPlayed:`
`18:10.01`	`CIA-17`	`- New TOC 20003`
`18:10.01`	`CIA-17`	`- New version 20003-1`
`18:10.02`	`CIA-17`	`- Added level 60 to 69 to the XPToNextLevel function (using values from WoW Wiki)`
`18:10.02`	`CIA-17`	`- Characters can now rest up to level 70`
`18:10.04`	`CIA-17`	`03tornhoof * r24268 10Yata/Yata.toc:`
`18:10.06`	`CIA-17`	`Yata:`
`18:10.08`	`CIA-17`	`- Should be 2.03 ready`
`18:10.10`	`CIA-17`	`- German Translation of Totemic Call needs verification`
`18:10.14`	`CIA-17`	`- Is Totemic Call in the 2.03 at all?`
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`18:13.32`	`Chinku`	`arrr, checking out files is a pita today... is that already due to the patch?`
`18:13.39`	`Antiarc`	`Likely.`
`18:14.44`	`Daemona`	`any1 seen miles lately ? mEnemyCastbar bugs out on my with candybar errors`
`18:14.46`	`Chinku`	`Antiarc: any major API changes known yet that require massive updating again? o.O`
`18:15.17`	`Antiarc`	`Well, the version number changed, so people will want to update to get rid of the out-of-date messages.`
`18:16.03`	`Matrix110`	`WoWToc destroys more then it fixes sometimes!`
`18:16.27`	`Matrix110`	`and who cares about outofdate...`
`18:16.30`	`Chinku`	`WoWToc is a worse idea than just ignoring the o-o-d notification...`
`18:16.35`	`Chinku`	`(IMHO)`
`18:17.57`	`Thorgard`	`How weird..`
`18:18.29`	`Thorgard`	`Someone do a /me emote.`
`18:18.54`	`Thorgard`	`Stupid freenode.`
`18:19.25`	`CIA-17`	`03antiarc * r24269 10/branches/Sanity2/: Creating Sanity2 branch host`
`18:19.28`	`Thorgard`	`ACTION emotes.`
`18:19.43`	`Chinku`	`oh? looks ... ehm ... interesting. ;-)`
`18:19.48`	`Thorgard`	`Yeah..`
`18:20.02`	`ckknight`	`kagaro: pong`
`18:20.51`	`Matrix110`	`wts a better loadbalancer for Blizzard this forum/page down at patchdays is annoying-.-`
`18:21.15`	`Tornhoof`	`that forum is a mess anyway`
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`18:22.00`	`CIA-17`	`03antiarc 072.0.3-drycode * r24270 10Sanity2/ (6 files in 2 dirs): Sanity2: Branched for 2.0.3 development`
`18:22.30`	`Chinku`	`Matrix110: somehow we believe that the login servers are operating the web page/forum too, as in EU both are down at the same time, i.e. during maintenance... ;-)`
`18:22.57`	`kagaro`	`ck: heya`
`18:22.58`	`Matrix110`	`nope never`
`18:23.22`	`Tornhoof`	`same datacenter`
`18:23.22`	`Matrix110`	`when PCT wasnt in and we migrated the page was down but login working perfectly`
`18:23.36`	`Matrix110`	`http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/ btw!`
`18:23.40`	`kagaro`	`ck: i was going down the route of a gatheringlib, but a better spot would be to make a Babble-Ore, Babble-Herbs, Babble-Fish .. do you mind if I add those to Babble?`
`18:23.48`	`Matrix110`	`World Event anounced`
`18:24.22`	`snurre`	`kruul = oldschool Kazzak btw`
`18:24.23`	`ckknight`	`hrm, sounds good to me.`
`18:24.34`	`ckknight`	`just make em look like the others.`
`18:24.45`	`Matrix110`	`snurre thats lame then-.-`
`18:24.58`	`Tornhoof`	`old loot?`
`18:25.06`	`Matrix110`	`and i guess the rest of the event is recycled Naxxramas event...`
`18:25.10`	`snurre`	`yeah, torn`
`18:25.38`	`Tornhoof`	`duh`
`18:26.29`	`kagaro`	`ck: will do`
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`18:26.43`	`kagaro`	`ill mark them as 1.0`
`18:27.09`	`kagaro`	`or do you want them 2.2 to go with the rest of babble?`
`18:29.24`	`Pkekyo`	`anyone know an addon that can show me the happyness of my pet?`
`18:30.03`	`Chinku`	`Pkekyo: assuming you need a feeding helper, I would recommend KingOfTheJungle.`
`18:30.03`	`Dekuna`	`Pkekyo: every pet mod ever`
`18:30.28`	`Chinku`	`Pkekyo: otherwise it's probably as Dekuna says ;-)`
`18:30.48`	`Dekuna`	`also lots of unitframes do it`
`18:30.53`	`Dekuna`	`including AGUF`
`18:31.04`	`CIA-17`	`03jncl * r24271 10Skinner/ (AddonFrames.lua AddonSkins/LootLink.lua options.lua): Skinner: Reskinned LootLink; changed the adjust frames default to false`
`18:33.27`	`Pkekyo`	`hmm`
`18:33.38`	`Pkekyo`	`I don't use pet/player unitframes, only raid and party`
`18:34.02`	`Chinku`	`Pkekyo: what are your exact requirements, then?`
`18:34.30`	`Pkekyo`	`I just want something that tells me to do something when the bastard is about to run away on me`
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`18:35.17`	`Chinku`	`pkekyo: then take a look at KotJ, as mentioned. it displays a "feed me" button whenever your pet's happiness is below an adjustably threshold.`
`18:35.43`	`Matrix110`	`my pet is always happy!`
`18:35.47`	`Matrix110`	`<3 Water Elemental`
`18:36.05`	`Chinku`	`g`
`18:36.18`	`Pkekyo`	`cool, thanks`
`18:36.38`	`CIA-17`	`03antiarc 072.0.3-drycode * r24272 10Sanity2/Sanity2/ (SanityDisplay.lua SanityItemCache.lua):`
`18:36.38`	`CIA-17`	`Sanity2: Updates for 2.0.3. Includes reworked mailbox code to take advantage of`
`18:36.38`	`CIA-17`	`GetInboxItemLink() and a completely overhauled backend for far superior`
`18:36.38`	`CIA-17`	`performance. This is drycode, and is nearly guaranteed to break, so don't grab`
`18:36.38`	`CIA-17`	`it yet.`
`18:36.54`	`Pkekyo`	`for some reason the blizz-ui shows my pet as happy constantly, even when he's pissed off and wants to bite my head off`
`18:37.16`	`Tornhoof`	`thats because nobody likes hunters`
`18:38.16`	`Chinku`	`pkekyo: that's indeed quite odd; I was wondering why that standard display wouldn't suit your needs ;-)`
`18:38.18`	`KarlThePagan`	`ckknight, did you and Kemayo discuss the Quixote / AceComm thing?`
`18:38.26`	`Pkekyo`	`rofl, indeed Tornhoof`
`18:38.30`	`ckknight`	`sure didn't.`
`18:38.38`	`ckknight`	`kagaro: go 2.2`
`18:38.40`	`kagaro`	`ok`
`18:38.51`	`Pkekyo`	`I've gotta level a grindingmachine so I can pay my repairbills on my warr ;)`
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`18:39.15`	`KarlThePagan`	`ok summary: multiple instnaces of Quixote cause an AceComm error because the prefix gets registered multiple times`
`18:39.27`	`KarlThePagan`	`currently prefix is registered in the external function`
`18:40.10`	`Elkano`	`KarlThePagan, typo in line 1500 in GroupedAce ^^`
`18:40.15`	`vhaarr`	`KarlThePagan: Kemayo has mentioned it several times to ckk.`
`18:40.30`	`KarlThePagan`	`Elkano, thx i know i should have hit compile before comitting QQ`
`18:40.50`	`KarlThePagan`	`I have drycode for you Elkano (but it compiles!)`
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`18:41.26`	`Elkano`	`btw: any way for me to look up the internal cache in order to find out if it at least caches the players it doesn't show?`
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`18:41.47`	`ckknight`	`<PROTECTED>`
`18:42.13`	`CIA-17`	`03karlthepagan * r24273 10Grouper/GrouperAce.lua:`
`18:42.13`	`CIA-17`	`Grouper: DRYCODE`
`18:42.13`	`CIA-17`	`<PROTECTED>`
`18:42.13`	`CIA-17`	`<PROTECTED>`
`18:42.24`	`vhaarr`	`ckknight: Regarding the AceComm prefix/using AceComm in libraries.`
`18:42.40`	`ckknight`	`yea, I know about that`
`18:42.48`	`KarlThePagan`	`ok`
`18:43.03`	`ckknight`	`oh, right, I never did give him a solution to that whole ordeal`
`18:43.06`	`KarlThePagan`	`;)`
`18:43.14`	`Elkano`	`KarlThePagan, /dump getglobal("GrouperLFG-1.0") get's me your table, but I don't know where your cache is stored ^^`
`18:43.47`	`CIA-17`	`03kagaro * r24274 10Babble-2.2/ (5 files in 3 dirs): Babble-2.2: Add 2 new libraries Fish and Herbs .. both need translations (DRYCODE)`
`18:44.06`	`KarlThePagan`	`Elkano, here's my main variables (starting line 925 in GrouperAce - yea I need to better differentiate between core and Ace)`
`18:44.14`	`KarlThePagan`	`err line 910`
`18:45.06`	`KarlThePagan`	`all players - self.who, players per objective - self.cache, players per category - self.categoryCache`
`18:45.27`	`KarlThePagan`	`objectives are stored category number..';'..objective number`
`18:46.05`	`KarlThePagan`	`blizzard uses the terms "type" and "type index" or something like that... not very descriptive and a little clumsy`
`18:46.06`	Funkeh`	`kagaro: i don't think they belong in babble, wouldn it not make more sense to make a gatherlib or something?`
`18:46.17`	Funkeh`	`babble is big enough as it is tbh`
`18:46.57`	`kagaro`	funkeh`: its 99% translations with 2 methods to get skill and or is a node
`18:47.03`	`Thorgard`	`Humm.. I thought Karazhan had a 'Wizard from Oz' event?`
`18:47.05`	`beerke`	`sigh http://img262.imageshack.us/my.php?image=28100hptu2.jpg 28k hp`
`18:47.50`	`vhaarr`	`oh my god`
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`18:47.58`	`KarlThePagan`	`Lamda Alpha Whisky Lamda`
`18:48.24`	`Fisker-`	`Lambda Oscar Lambda`
`18:48.47`	`KarlThePagan`	`Whisky Tango Foxtrot Baker Baker Quebec`
`18:48.59`	`KarlThePagan`	`or Bravo if you prefer`
`18:49.10`	`axxo`	`exploid?`
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`18:50.22`	`KarlThePagan`	`stacking multiplyers`
`18:50.28`	`KarlThePagan`	`maybe`
`18:51.09`	`Eternally777`	`Thorgard: To my knowledge it has an event that could be a Wizard of Oz event.`
`18:51.17`	`Thorgard`	`Ah.`
`18:51.19`	`Thorgard`	`It's random?`
`18:51.25`	`Eternally777`	`I believe so.`
`18:51.37`	`vhaarr`	`Yes, it is random.`
`18:51.39`	`Thorgard`	`'Cause I've seen the Wizard of Oz version and now the Romeo/Juliet version.`
`18:51.45`	`Thorgard`	`How many different ones are there?`
`18:51.54`	`Eternally777`	`Three or four I think.`
`18:51.59`	`vhaarr`	`4, I think.`
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`18:52.02`	`Grine`	ag`, uhm why aint the status text showing on Playerframe? :)
`18:52.31`	`Elkano`	`KarlThePagan, I think you forgot to reset your player counter on scan ^^`
`18:53.16`	`KarlThePagan`	`currentNumResults?`
`18:53.21`	`KarlThePagan`	`yea I probably did`
`18:53.40`	`KarlThePagan`	`I should just nuke that variable and all connected logic`
`18:53.58`	`KarlThePagan`	`it stopped being useful when I learned that LFGQuery required a player interactive click :(`
`18:54.34`	`KarlThePagan`	`Elkano, you opinion on something... should Grouper automatically rescan things you're auto-lfging for`
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`18:54.47`	`KarlThePagan`	`this means it would bug you to click it every time you zone`
`18:55.17`	`Elkano`	`since it needs a click most likely not... but you could add the time of last scan`
`18:55.21`	`trh`	`does anyone know how long it usually takes to get a svn account? i mailed a few days ago but didn't got a reply`
`18:55.35`	`KarlThePagan`	`yea I do have the scan times stored various places`
`18:56.13`	`Matrix110`	`http://www.wowguru.com/gallery/view/1068.jpg a nice suggestion for a LFG interface!`
`18:56.20`	`Emli`	`I just wanted to let Kaelten (or whoever else might be handling it right now) know that the svn mirrors are way out of sync again`
`18:56.22`	`KarlThePagan`	`Kaelten, zomg patch notes - Auction Housee now sorts by buyout price first`
`18:56.40`	`Thorgard`	`trh, sent my request Dec 28, 2006 5:20 PM, got the response Dec 29, 2006 7:27 PM.`
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`18:57.33`	`KarlThePagan`	`Elkano, it's too bad that mouseover doesn't count as a player interactive action... I had one thing where I had my queues hooked up to an ace options table disabled function`
`18:58.01`	`Kaelten`	`emilI keep forgetting to check on it.`
`18:58.02`	`Kaelten`	`:(`
`18:58.31`	`KarlThePagan`	`RIP battleground sort`
`18:58.33`	`KarlThePagan`	`blizz added it`
`18:58.35`	`Emli`	`heh, happy to be a messenger for it... easy enough for me to come here and ping someone`
`18:58.41`	`Fisker-`	`battleground sort?`
`18:58.58`	`KarlThePagan`	`yea there was a mod authored a week or two ago to do that`
`18:59.03`	`CIA-17`	`03rabbit 07Rabbit * r24275 10FuBar_GroupFu/GroupFu.lua: FuBar_GroupFu: If we're not sure who's ML, query GetRaidRosterInfo for it (20003+).`
`18:59.06`	`trh`	`Thorgard: didn't got it.... just looked at my spam filter :(`
`18:59.09`	`Matrix110`	`Sort by HKs/Dmg Done/Healing Done etc.`
`18:59.12`	`trh`	`Thorgard: could you resend it?`
`18:59.13`	`KarlThePagan`	`yea`
`18:59.14`	`Fisker-`	`oh`
`18:59.15`	`Kaelten`	`Emli: easiest thing for me would be when you notice visit svn1.wowace.com and svn2.wowace.com in your browser and message me which one is behind`
`18:59.22`	`Fisker-`	`thought you meant the queue lol :P`
`18:59.36`	`Emli`	`ok, noted`
`19:00.00`	`Thorgard`	`trh, I just gave you the time/dates I sent my request. ;P I'm not the one handling/sending/in charge of that.`
`19:00.04`	`Kaelten`	`I was told they where out of sync a while back, but I ketp forgetting to find out which one it is that was broke`
`19:00.17`	`KarlThePagan`	`GG druids are better casters than smite priests now`
`19:00.19`	`Mikma`	`grzesieq: well, final "release" from me. 0.6 :P all crap ripped off and nothing extra in`
`19:00.21`	`KarlThePagan`	`in every way possible`
`19:00.27`	`KarlThePagan`	`(except for the nature immune)`
`19:00.41`	`Kaelten`	`the resync is in progress`
`19:01.07`	`trh`	`Thorgard: oh ok, do u know who is? :)`
`19:02.23`	`KarlThePagan`	`does anyone know how to override blizzar's stupid patcher so that I can copy/paste the f-ing patchnotes?`
`19:02.42`	`Emli`	`the file Patch.html in your wow directory has the full text of the patch notes`
`19:02.48`	`KarlThePagan`	`oh... X.x`
`19:02.49`	`KarlThePagan`	`doh`
`19:02.50`	`KarlThePagan`	`thx`
`19:02.53`	`Thorgard`	`trh, I'm guessing.. someone with op status in here. ;P Like Kaelten, Cairenn etc.`
`19:03.36`	`trh`	`does one of the allmighty @'s know? =)`
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`19:04.24`	`phyber`	`SCL and Prat don't get along now? :/`
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`19:05.02`	`phyber`	`no timestamps in my SCL window.`
`19:05.09`	`Kaelten`	`Thorgard: hrm?`
`19:05.09`	`nadas`	`phyber: same for me`
`19:05.46`	`Thorgard`	`Kaelten, who takes care of the SVN account request stuff?`
`19:05.50`	`Kaelten`	`me`
`19:05.56`	`Thorgard`	`trh, it's definately Kaelten.`
`19:06.02`	`Kaelten`	`lol`
`19:06.08`	`Thorgard`	`My work here is done!`
`19:06.14`	`Kaelten`	`I just havn't processed any that I received today so far`
`19:06.18`	`trh`	`Kaelten: could you resend the mail to boredvana@gmail.com? seems to got lost while transmission`
`19:06.21`	`trh`	`Thorgard: thanks ;)`
`19:07.02`	`Kaelten`	`trh resend the request, its the only way I'll resent passwords`
`19:07.15`	`trh`	`its fine :)`
`19:07.25`	`trh`	`at least i hope it gets through this time`
`19:09.23`	`FryGuy`	`~patch torrents`
`19:09.32`	`trh`	`Kaelten: resent the request`
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`19:11.00`	`CIA-17`	`03beerke * r24276 10KingOfTheJungle/ (5 files in 2 dirs):`
`19:11.00`	`CIA-17`	`KingOfTheJungle :`
`19:11.00`	`CIA-17`	`- Updated ToC to 20003`
`19:11.00`	`CIA-17`	`- Diets can be toggled on/off, next to foods nows`
`19:11.00`	`CIA-17`	`- added Raw Meat and Raw Fish to pet diets`
`19:11.04`	`mjc`	`omg iPhone ORGASM`
`19:12.50`	`Mikma`	`engadget.com :)`
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`19:13.59`	`Emli`	`Kaelten: thanks again`
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`19:21.14`	`KarlThePagan`	`yay for /script Dismount()`
`19:22.05`	`dafire`	`just /dismount`
`19:24.54`	`KarlThePagan`	`that's even better`
`19:26.45`	`Antiarc`	`Good lord, localization is a lot of work if you didn't do it to begin with. Heh.`
`19:27.23`	`trh`	`Antiarc: search and replace + regexps are great :)`
`19:27.37`	`Antiarc`	`Well, making your code localizable.`
`19:27.40`	`cynyr`	`KarlThePagan: i agree... it makes my /dismount /stealth macros easier`
`19:27.55`	`trh`	`Antiarc: first search and replace strings with L[string], then build a regexp to extract every L[string] and put them in a localization file :)`
`19:27.55`	`KarlThePagan`	`yea I have a macro for dismount / inner fire`
`19:28.06`	`KarlThePagan`	`just so i can quickly get off and kill rogues`
`19:28.17`	`Antiarc`	`trh: But I don't want to localize every string`
`19:28.24`	`Antiarc`	`For example, I don't want to localize array indexes.`
`19:28.39`	`cynyr`	`KarlThePagan: lol`
`19:28.39`	`KarlThePagan`	`in other news... it's time for me to roll shadowpriest or delete my 524 +dmg gear`
`19:28.40`	`Antiarc`	`Or parameters like "target" or "player"`
`19:28.51`	`KarlThePagan`	`because moonkin looks sick with those buffs`
`19:28.52`	`cynyr`	`KarlThePagan: try taht at lvl 66.. 1 min CoS`
`19:28.52`	`trh`	`Antiarc: then you have to be carefull with where you put the L[string] :)`
`19:28.57`	`Antiarc`	`Yup :)`
`19:29.01`	`KarlThePagan`	`cynyr... kite kite kite`
`19:29.03`	`Antiarc`	`Which is the painful part. :D`
`19:29.11`	`trh`	`Antiarc: but building the localization file with regexps is awesome :)`
`19:29.12`	`KarlThePagan`	`i love how CoS looks like shadowform`
`19:29.15`	`cynyr`	`KarlThePagan: not with cloak of shadows..`
`19:29.19`	`Antiarc`	`Indeed.`
`19:29.36`	`KarlThePagan`	`time for me to start equipping my nifty stopwatch just to fight rogues`
`19:29.56`	`KarlThePagan`	`to make them burn CoS and sprint in order to kill me`
`19:30.38`	`cynyr`	`lol`
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`19:33.25`	`CIA-17`	`03sylvanaar * r24277 10Prat/modules/ChatButtons.lua:`
`19:33.25`	`CIA-17`	`Prat: Completely reworked how buttons are updated. Gave the reminder a proper flash animation.`
`19:33.26`	`CIA-17`	`Issue : 28`
`19:33.59`	`Elkano`	`KarlThePagan, how to set myself LFG for an instance with Grouper?`
`19:34.17`	`jaete`	`meh. how do i reset the position of a mod window, when the mod itself doesn't have a "/mod resetpos" option?`
`19:34.40`	`KarlThePagan`	`the way it will work is - move the "Select Instance..." to the top of your preferences and click on the instance name in the list`
`19:35.11`	`Elkano`	`jaete, make a clean reinstall of your client, it works ;)`
`19:35.11`	`KarlThePagan`	`then set your state to "Join"`
`19:35.12`	`jaete`	`i downloaded KombatStats, which is nice and all, but when i mouseover it it pops up a window that is bigger than the mod, so i can't click the mod or drag it >.<`
`19:35.16`	`jaete`	`nice design that`
`19:35.25`	`Elkano`	`KarlThePagan, and what if the instance doesn't show up there though it should?`
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`19:35.51`	`KarlThePagan`	`that would be a bug`
`19:36.05`	`KarlThePagan`	`or you have it filtered out (tho filters don't work yet)`
`19:36.20`	`Elkano`	`instance is 'Sunken Temple'; it shows up in browse but not in prio`
`19:36.30`	`KarlThePagan`	`I'll take a look`
`19:37.23`	`KarlThePagan`	`if you turn on debugging and descend into the priority menus you'll see a lot more options to click`
`19:37.29`	`KarlThePagan`	`you can manually update the priority lists`
`19:37.57`	`KarlThePagan`	`as well as print the lists`
`19:38.08`	`CIA-17`	`03antiarc 072.0.3-drycode * r24278 10Sanity2/Sanity2/ (8 files): Sanity2: Localized basically everything. Now using AceLocale. Really recommend you don't use this one as I will be shocked if it is not horridly broken.`
`19:38.40`	`CIA-17`	`03antiarc 072.0.3-drycode * r24279 10Sanity2/Sanity2/ (SanityMailbox.lua localization.lua): Sanity2: Removed a couple of extraneous files.`
`19:39.48`	`CIA-17`	`03sylvanaar * r24280 10Prat/modules/ (ChatFrames.lua Who.lua): Prat: Labeled Who as Defective, Fixed misused PRAT_MODULE.`
`19:40.50`	`Antiarc`	`New interface is 20300?`
`19:40.59`	`kenlyric\|work`	`so, does that mean if we update sanity today it will be horribly broken?`
`19:41.00`	`sylvanaar`	`nadas: yes?`
`19:41.08`	`Antiarc`	`kenlyric\|work: No. That's a branch I'm committing to.`
`19:41.09`	`sylvanaar`	`20003`
`19:41.11`	`kenlyric\|work`	`20003 I thought.`
`19:41.17`	`Antiarc`	`hm, ok.`
`19:41.22`	`Industrial`	`Does anyone know wich action id's blizzard uses for their action buttons?`
`19:41.30`	`Industrial`	`with stealth and stances and forms*`
`19:41.33`	`sylvanaar`	`phyber: are you the author of SCL?`
`19:41.43`	`phyber`	`sylvanaar: nope.`
`19:41.52`	`Industrial`	`whats SCl`
`19:41.56`	`sylvanaar`	`maintainer?`
`19:42.00`	`phyber`	`Rophy: is.`
`19:42.23`	`sylvanaar`	`well, we'll need to hook up`
`19:42.29`	`Industrial`	`whats SCL?`
`19:42.35`	`phyber`	`SimpleCombatLog`
`19:42.42`	`Industrial`	`oki`
`19:42.51`	`phyber`	`Industrial: http://www.wowace.com/wiki/Image:SimpleCombatLog_Example.jpg`
`19:42.56`	`nadas`	`sylvanaar: hehe sorry, was about the timestamp/simplecombatlog issue.. you closed it (fixed) but it still exists :)`
`19:43.23`	`nadas`	`sylvanaar: both docked and undocked frames`
`19:43.50`	`sylvanaar`	`nadas: whats docked frames have to do with timestamps`
`19:44.04`	`nadas`	`dunno ;)`
`19:44.04`	`Industrial`	`hmm that is pretty tight`
`19:44.08`	`nadas`	`probably nothing :P`
`19:44.35`	`nadas`	`i noticed it made a difference to chat buttons so i tested both just to be sure`
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`19:45.27`	`CIA-17`	`03antiarc 072.0.3-drycode * r24281 10Sanity2/Sanity2/ (Libs/ Sanity2.toc SanityConstants.lua): Sanity2: Fixed constants for the XML files. Updated the TOC, added AceLocale external.`
`19:45.34`	`CIA-17`	`03saroz * r24282 10sRaidFrames/sRaidFramesHealing.lua: sRaidFrames: Don't play with people not in the raid`
`19:45.41`	`sylvanaar`	`yeah to buttons, it did, cause i was trying to optimize the code`
`19:45.56`	`SoLoR`	`sylvanaar you think its possible to dock to any other chatframe then chatframe1?`
`19:46.03`	`SoLoR`	`not in prat but in general...`
`19:46.23`	`SoLoR`	`because i want to have different channels docked at 1 side and combat logs on other...`
`19:46.26`	`nadas`	`sylvanaar: anyway, timestamps for normal combatlog messages work just fine so i guess it's "just" some incompatibility with the way scl handles messages..`
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`19:47.26`	`inph`	`sylvanaar i concur with nadas`
`19:47.50`	`inph`	`my scl outputs to chat frame 5 and has no timestamps and my combat log to chat frame 2 and is timestamped`
`19:47.57`	`SoLoR`	`nadas well if you saw no addons messages get timestamped and SCL is exactly that, addon that turns off combatlog compleatly and produce "formated" one`
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`19:48.22`	`sylvanaar`	`nadas: prat has changed, it no longer has every mod hooking chatframes, things are done in a controlled manner, and mods will need to coordinate with prat to combine output in most cases`
`19:48.36`	`nadas`	`fair enough`
`19:49.44`	`sylvanaar`	`now, it'd be real easy for rophy to make SCL prat compatible im sure, so i'll leave it up to him`
`19:49.48`	`nadas`	`i'll be looking for a scl update then :)`
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`19:52.28`	`sylvanaar`	`this is going to be a common thing - i'd like at least the other ace mod authors to consider becoming compatible with prat for their mods which are chat/combatlog related`
`19:53.04`	ag`	`what is "AceCast"?`
`19:53.04`	`nadas`	`sylvanaar: i see your point, was just unsure if it was intended or not :)`
`19:53.07`	`sylvanaar`	`but f-u is what i am expecting`
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`19:56.04`	`CIA-17`	`03saroz * r24283 10sRaidFrames/ (4 files):`
`19:56.04`	`CIA-17`	`sRaidFrames:`
`19:56.04`	`CIA-17`	`- Add old-school borderless sRF layout, basically CTRA without borders, but wide`
`19:56.04`	`CIA-17`	`- Remove old style functions`
`19:56.08`	`Saroz`	`for you nevcairiel!`
`19:56.36`	`vhaarr`	`pastamancer: I added a comment to Roster-2.1 about this some time ago, but what about setting .rank = 2 for the party leader if the user is not in a raid?`
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`19:58.28`	`Nomad_Wanderer`	`US Servers coming up.`
`19:59.02`	`bigzero`	`and i haven't even finished downloading patch yet....ftl`
`19:59.27`	`cynyr`	`grrr bartender3 is out of date...`
`19:59.42`	`Mimesis`	`isnt everything`
`19:59.45`	`KarlThePagan`	`yup`
`19:59.46`	`cynyr`	`actully it looks like all of my addons are..`
`19:59.47`	`KarlThePagan`	`20003`
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`20:00.17`	`Feldia`	`mods require toc changes? can't just hit "Load out of date addons" ????`
`20:00.43`	`Nomad_Wanderer`	`I'd be surprised`
`20:00.44`	`RaydenUni`	`so`
`20:00.45`	`CIA-17`	`03saroz * r24284 10sRaidFrames/sRaidFrames.toc: sRaidFrames: Better bump toc, so those US nubs won't get all confused and stuff`
`20:00.47`	`Feldia`	`yea you can`
`20:00.48`	`RaydenUni`	`just logged back into wow`
`20:00.49`	`Feldia`	`just tried`
`20:00.49`	`Saroz`	`!!!!!!!!!!!`
`20:00.52`	`RaydenUni`	`all my ace stuff is gone`
`20:00.57`	`RaydenUni`	`is this normal?`
`20:00.58`	`cynyr`	`yea... load out of date is working..`
`20:01.21`	`RaydenUni`	`what is the MO for this?`
`20:01.31`	`cynyr`	`grid still has an error`
`20:02.03`	`SP\|Sorren`	`what's the new toc?`
`20:02.13`	`cynyr`	`20003 i think...`
`20:02.23`	`CIA-17`	`03saroz * r24285 10sRaidFrames/sRaidFramesLayout.lua: sRaidFrames: No borders in this style`
`20:02.26`	`SP\|Sorren`	`thankie.`
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`20:03.11`	`Dekuna`	`US realms are up, but most are "Locked"`
`20:03.28`	ag`	`ok guys, should I place the castbar below or above the XP bar?`
`20:03.29`	`evl`	`That phone looks INSANE`
`20:03.46`	`Mimesis`	`ag: configurable!`
`20:03.46`	ag`	`I'm afraid it's too big, that phone`
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`20:04.05`	ag`	`Mimesis: if you mean by editing the layout yes, but from a dropdown menu, no`
`20:04.12`	`Mikma`	`if it's bigger than your penis, then you should worry`
`20:04.12`	`Dekuna`	`:(`
`20:04.36`	`Feldia`	`ag: pleeeeeease add support for independant buff / debuff frames :(`
`20:04.51`	`Mimesis`	`ag: how can we have different placements on different characters then`
`20:05.00`	ag`	`I've been working on improving the aura system`
`20:05.04`	ag`	`Mimesis: hrm?`
`20:05.11`	ag`	`different placement of what?`
`20:05.17`	`Feldia`	`at this point it's the only thing stopping me from using ag_uf`
`20:05.25`	`Feldia`	`as a healer having them all bunched up sucks :(`
`20:05.29`	`Mimesis`	`ag: id like castbar below for warlock, above for rogue, same layout (abf)`
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`20:05.38`	ag`	`Feldia: gogo gadget filter`
`20:05.40`	`sylvanaar`	`aggrivation level is high`
`20:05.46`	`Adirelle`	`~seen toadkiller`
`20:06.08`	`purl`	`toadkiller <n=dbester@adsl-75-18-169-106.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 15h 21m 44s ago, saying: 'I use ultraedit'.`
`20:06.08`	`Adirelle`	`hey, purl, are you sleeping ?`
`20:06.08`	`Feldia`	`yea that would work, except it's important for me to see all the buffs / debuffs`
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`20:06.41`	ag`	`Mimesis: that won't happen unless you copy the theme and edit it, and then use the two different layout on the characters`
`20:06.44`	`Antiarc`	`ag: Can you have the castbar have anchoring options?`
`20:06.49`	`Antiarc`	`Like the auras, kinda`
`20:06.49`	`sylvanaar`	`SoLoR: It may be possible to create another DockFrame`
`20:06.55`	`Antiarc`	`above, below, left, right, etc.`
`20:07.02`	ag`	`afraid not`
`20:07.14`	`Antiarc`	`Huh, why's that?`
`20:07.15`	ag`	`the layout will determine where it's placed`
`20:07.16`	`Jbob`	`is there an easy way to update all of my ace addons?`
`20:07.20`	`Antiarc`	`Ah, ok.`
`20:07.24`	`RaydenUni`	`using ace updater?`
`20:07.30`	`Jbob`	`lol where do i get that`
`20:07.30`	`Antiarc`	`I would like it below, personally, but that's me.`
`20:07.36`	`RaydenUni`	`wowace.com`
`20:07.37`	`dotted`	`Jbob www.wowace.com/wiki/WoWAceUpdater`
`20:07.39`	ag`	`I'm just trying to figure out where I should have it relative to the XP bar`
`20:07.42`	`RaydenUni`	`it will also download them for you`
`20:07.44`	`Mimesis`	`ok so i can make a new layout that is a copy, just with different placing`
`20:07.44`	`Jbob`	`thx guys`
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`20:07.54`	`sylvanaar`	`i cant believe people still posted issues on the prat forum with that giant text saying not to`
`20:07.55`	`Jbob`	`nothin came up on that page`
`20:08.01`	`CIA-17`	`03kagaro * r24286 10Babble-2.2/Babble-Ore-2.2/ (. Babble-Ore-2.2.lua): Babble-2.2/Babble-Ore-2.2: added babble ore`
`20:08.14`	`Jbob`	`nvm i got it`
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`20:09.11`	`RaydenUni`	`so what is the reason behind all of my ace plugins not working?`
`20:09.16`	`RaydenUni`	`wow is just setup not to use old plugins?`
`20:09.52`	`kenlyric\|work`	`uh, did you enable out of date addons?`
`20:10.21`	`RaydenUni`	`just did`
`20:10.57`	`RaydenUni`	`ew`
`20:11.00`	`RaydenUni`	`reset the configs`
`20:11.04`	`RaydenUni`	`for some`
`20:11.38`	`kenlyric\|work`	`lol... simple minimap reset... it's tinyh :)`
`20:12.34`	`Mimesis`	`SV shouldnt reset at all`
`20:12.45`	`Mimesis`	`only the built in blizz frame movement will reset afiak`
`20:12.55`	`kergoth`	`sylvanaar: if you cant believe it, clearly you have too much confidence in humanity. become jaded and bitter, and you'll be less disappointed`
`20:12.58`	`kergoth`	`sylvanaar: :P`
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`20:13.07`	`kergoth`	`yea, stupid layout cache`
`20:13.17`	`haste`	`kergoth: I have a little question for you :D`
`20:13.29`	`Mikma`	`is it just me or is svn slow? :P trying to get externals atm`
`20:13.51`	`Mimesis`	`zips were slow for me without extrernals earlier`
`20:14.16`	`haste`	`kergoth: I'm working on a little panel addon right now, which slides a tab out (when clicked). I currently ise cosine interpolation to make it look smooth and natural, instead of doing it with a linear one which jumps into full speed`
`20:14.30`	`CIA-17`	`03antiarc 072.0.3-drycode * r24287 10Sanity2/Sanity2/Sanity2.toc: Sanity2: Removed depricated tekSupport optional dep.`
`20:14.39`	`haste`	`kergoth: would it be smart to cache the results the first time?`
`20:14.44`	`kergoth`	`kagaro: you're welcome to just take over maintainance of cartographer_herbalism/cartographer_mining if you'd like. you're certainly spending more time on them than i have lately`
`20:14.45`	`Antiarc`	`It's patch day. Everything is slow.`
`20:14.51`	`kergoth`	`kagaro: :)`
`20:14.53`	`kergoth`	`hmm`
`20:14.59`	`kagaro`	`kergoth: kk`
`20:15.26`	`Mikma`	`haste: i have a question for you! pink or brown?`
`20:15.30`	`kagaro`	`once babble-ore and herbs get translations ill switch cart mine and herbs to them`
`20:15.37`	`haste`	`Mikma: what happens if I answer pink?`
`20:15.47`	`Mikma`	`haste: i lol`
`20:15.53`	`Dekuna`	`US servers are up, quite a few errors`
`20:15.55`	`haste`	`Mikma: I don't like Brown tho' :(`
`20:16.02`	`Jakobud`	`woot I have a Black War Raptor for my Tauren now`
`20:16.15`	`RaydenUni`	`lol`
`20:16.25`	`Mikma`	`haste: so, which one will it be then?`
`20:16.32`	`haste`	`Mikma: Can we roll for it?`
`20:16.40`	`Thorgard`	`I've only gotten a couple of errors so far.`
`20:16.42`	`leech2k`	`that poor raptor`
`20:16.47`	`Laric`	`any of the prat coders here?`
`20:16.54`	`Mikma`	`haste: yeah we can actually. if i win it's brown?`
`20:17.07`	`haste`	`okey, what server should I log :p ?`
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`20:17.10`	`pastamancer`	`vhaarr: sure, sounds reasonable`
`20:17.20`	`vhaarr`	`pastamancer: alright`
`20:17.25`	`Mikma`	`haste: let's pick some french server`
`20:17.29`	`Mikma`	`they are always fun`
`20:17.42`	`haste`	`Mikma: you know, we can see the rolls across continents in party :D`
`20:17.59`	`Mikma`	`haste: yeap :)`
`20:18.18`	`RaydenUni`	`what happens if i cancel the aceupdater while its in progress?`
`20:18.25`	`Mikma`	`haste: Culte de la Rive noire, horde`
`20:18.34`	`haste`	`h-ai!`
`20:18.39`	`Thorgard`	`RaydenUni, the time-space continuum is ripped apart and we'll all die a horrible death. :/`
`20:18.41`	`kergoth`	`haste: i'm too tired to think of math, i'll get back to you when i finish this mountain dew. cache might be worthwhile, depends on the amount of data to be cached and the amount of processor time taken in calculation. i'd profile it`
`20:18.45`	`kergoth`	`:P`
`20:19.04`	`kergoth`	`on another note, i <3 the firefox Stylish extension`
`20:19.17`	`Laric`	`can anyone who knows prat tell me why I get http://ace.pastey.net/4809 instead of a link using prat 2 and gem 2.24 together?`
`20:19.44`	`Mikma`	`haste: i made a orc. you can't miss me ;)`
`20:19.53`	`KarlThePagan`	`ckknight\|work, interesting development in tourist regarding zones`
`20:19.54`	`Antiarc`	`Laric: It looks like something is replacing \| with p.`
`20:20.04`	`CIA-17`	`03rabbit * r24288 10RosterLib/Roster-2.1/Roster-2.1.lua: .Roster-2.1: Set unit.rank to 2 for the party leader if we're not in a raid.`
`20:20.10`	`ckknight\|work`	`KarlThePagan: hrm?`
`20:20.11`	`haste`	`Mikma: the anme doesn't fit in the char screen`
`20:20.11`	`KarlThePagan`	`the blizzard LFG API identifies ST as "Sunken Temple" instead of it's GetRealZoneText()`
`20:20.14`	`haste`	`Mikma: of the server that is :D`
`20:20.20`	`haste`	`Mikma: oh, you can't miss my orc either !`
`20:20.29`	`ckknight\|work`	`KarlThePagan: *shrug`
`20:20.29`	`Laric`	`Antiarc thanks..`
`20:20.31`	`Mikma`	`haste: yeah the name is rather long hehe`
`20:20.40`	`KarlThePagan`	`also LBRS/UBRS`
`20:20.41`	`vhaarr`	`KarlThePagan: I've already discussed that with ckk a month or so ago.`
`20:20.50`	`Antiarc`	`I don't know Gem, so I can't offer further help. Sorry.`
`20:21.00`	`KarlThePagan`	`vhaarr, is there any opinion on including knowledge of this mismatch into tourist?`
`20:21.13`	`Thorgard`	`Laric, only when you use GEM?`
`20:21.13`	`vhaarr`	`KarlThePagan: The opinion is that blizzard sucks.`
`20:21.18`	`KarlThePagan`	`agreed`
`20:21.37`	`vhaarr`	`KarlThePagan: And that Tourist should be fixed to include it, but it would need translations.`
`20:21.48`	`Laric`	`Thorgard yeps only with gem`
`20:21.50`	`vhaarr`	`KarlThePagan: I'm thinking a Babble-Zone thing with abbrevations.`
`20:22.07`	`sylvanaar`	`Laric: the author of GEM can tell you`
`20:22.15`	`vhaarr`	`KarlThePagan: And just use Blizzards abbrevations for the zones/instances.`
`20:22.15`	`haste`	`~roll 2`
`20:22.17`	`purl`	`ACTION stuffs 2 in a hamster ball and rolls it down a steep, snow-covered mountain`
`20:22.17`	`Thorgard`	`Laric, blame GEM. ;)`
`20:22.18`	`Laric`	`k`
`20:22.18`	`Gagorian`	`What stuns work with SoC double base damage?`
`20:22.19`	`KarlThePagan`	`vhaarr, ok since I need this functionality for Grouper 1.0 I'm going to put forth suggestions I suppose`
`20:22.24`	`haste`	`close enough`
`20:22.29`	`vhaarr`	`KarlThePagan: Babble-Zone-Abbr`
`20:22.56`	`vhaarr`	`KarlThePagan: ["Upper Blackrock Spire"] = "UBRS"`
`20:22.58`	`vhaarr`	`KarlThePagan: Make sense?`
`20:23.07`	`KarlThePagan`	`oh no I think we're not on the same page`
`20:23.07`	`Antiarc`	`Gagorian: I assume anything of the stun mechanic (swirlies over the head)`
`20:23.29`	`KarlThePagan`	`vhaarr, Blackrock Spire / The Temple of Atal'Hakkar are the zone names`
`20:23.34`	`Gagorian`	`now tell me there's any API to get if target is stunned`
`20:23.45`	`Gagorian`	`Or I will rip my hair out`
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`20:23.56`	`KarlThePagan`	`but in the LFG API they are surfaced as "Sunken Temple", "Lower Blackrock Spire", "Upper Blackrock Spire"`
`20:23.56`	`Antiarc`	`You can scan the target's debuffs for stuns`
`20:24.00`	`Xegs`	`Howdy`
`20:24.08`	`vhaarr`	`KarlThePagan: Right, and?`
`20:24.10`	`Antiarc`	`There are a finite number of stun abilities, so you should be able to check for them easily enough`
`20:24.11`	`Gagorian`	`Antiarc, of course I can ;)`
`20:24.18`	`KarlThePagan`	`and that doesn't have anything to do with abbreviations`
`20:24.28`	`Antiarc`	`I don't think there's a library for it, at least not that I've seen.`
`20:24.29`	`vhaarr`	`true`
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`20:24.40`	`CIA-17`	`03kagaro * r24289 10Babble-2.2/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Babble-2.2: fixed revision tag in the new sub modules`
`20:24.46`	`Xegs`	`Question. I got lots of Ace mods, and for some odd reason i cant get the battleground map up. Anyone know why ?`
`20:24.46`	`haste`	`kergoth: seems like caching is the best thing to do, when having it do 50 steps (up and down, never stopping), it shaves of 20fps :p`
`20:24.58`	`KarlThePagan`	`blizzard has identified the 2 wings of BRS... and has ST as a pseudo-wing of that instance`
`20:25.02`	`Antiarc`	`Xegs: Do you get any error messages/stack traces?`
`20:25.06`	`vhaarr`	`KarlThePagan: Maybe this belongs in Quixote?`
`20:25.10`	`Xegs`	`Antiarc, nope`
`20:25.15`	`KarlThePagan`	`Tourist or Grouper`
`20:25.17`	`vhaarr`	`KarlThePagan: Either in Quixote or Tourist.`
`20:25.18`	`Antiarc`	`Hard to diagnose without that.`
`20:25.27`	`vhaarr`	`KarlThePagan: Put it in Tourist, then.`
`20:25.27`	`KarlThePagan`	`I'd like to put it into Tourist`
`20:25.28`	`Xegs`	`i trie to shift-click the little icon up at the map. but nothing happons`
`20:25.35`	`Antiarc`	`Maybe a binding got messed up?`
`20:25.38`	`kagaro`	`KarlThePagan: do they match the subzone names?`
`20:25.43`	`Xegs`	`humm`
`20:25.43`	`Antiarc`	`Isn't it shift-rightclick?`
`20:25.44`	`Mikma`	`haste: i'm soon in Booty Bay, going to gank alliance`
`20:25.45`	`Antiarc`	`I forget.`
`20:25.45`	`Industrial`	`Q: Is there an addon or is it possible to make an addon that skips all gossip, accepts all quests (except for when a choice needs to be made)`
`20:25.47`	`KarlThePagan`	`kagaro, need to test it...`
`20:25.52`	`haste`	`Mikma: :D:D:D`
`20:25.59`	`Xegs`	`dunno. meybe. Bet ive tried both. lol`
`20:26.00`	`KarlThePagan`	`if they match the subzone names... what solution would that suggest?`
`20:26.11`	`Industrial`	`I know cappings does it, but it does it manually for eg the AV quests`
`20:26.12`	`kergoth`	`Industrial: look at automaton's gossip module, or one of the other similar standalonea ddons`
`20:26.12`	`Antiarc`	`Industrial: AutoTurnin?`
`20:26.20`	`kagaro`	`Babble-Zone-Subszone`
`20:26.30`	`Industrial`	`i want it for all quest npcs in the game`
`20:26.42`	`gxam`	`that's easy enough to do`
`20:26.43`	`kagaro`	`KarlThePagan: ?`
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`20:26.53`	`gxam`	`you could probably slap it together pretty fast using automaton as a base`
`20:27.05`	`Antiarc`	`Xegs: Best I can offer is to start disabling mods until it works, then use the last-disabled mod as your expected culprit.`
`20:27.05`	`Industrial`	`like, right click BAM all accepted`
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`20:27.21`	`KarlThePagan`	`kagaro, currently all actual instance zones are listed once in Tourist... so when you iterate them you don't see them multiple times and their GetRealZoneText() matches up with the names`
`20:27.24`	`Xegs`	`Will do antiarc`
`20:27.24`	`Industrial`	`ill check it out`
`20:27.34`	`Xegs`	`just anoying to have to rejoin BG's all the time :P`
`20:27.39`	`Jbob`	`anyone else having issues with fubar?`
`20:27.57`	`KarlThePagan`	`however the LFG system identifies LBRS, UBRS, ST, DMW, DME, DMN (un-abbreviated) as separate instances you can queue for independantly`
`20:28.17`	`KarlThePagan`	`perhaps an "Instance Wing" is appropriate?`
`20:28.24`	`kagaro`	`KarlThePagan: nod, if the LFG name matches the SubZoneText .. maybe we need to add a Babble-SubZone to babble`
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`20:28.47`	`KarlThePagan`	`ckknight\|work, opinion on adding a "Instance Wing" or "Instance Subzone" to Tourist?`
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`20:29.12`	`KarlThePagan`	`kagaro, yea that's another part of the problem ... /cry`
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`20:29.28`	`ckknight\|work`	`KarlThePagan: I don't really see an issue with it.`
`20:29.31`	`vhaarr`	`KarlThePagan: I think you should just add a AceLocale instance for the zones that blizzard fucked up with in the LFG API.`
`20:29.37`	`vhaarr`	`KarlThePagan: And be done with it.`
`20:29.52`	`ckknight\|work`	`that's also doble`
`20:29.53`	`ckknight\|work`	`doable*`
`20:29.54`	`aE\|neXter`	`is there an easy way to build a makro which sends a chat message every second? (f�r a Countdown)`
`20:29.55`	`ckknight\|work`	`and probably easier`
`20:30.02`	`vhaarr`	`Any wing, subzone, abbr, wtf, can be added as a babble library.`
`20:30.06`	`aE\|neXter`	`some kind of timer or wait(1000):`
`20:30.13`	`vhaarr`	`Since they're "global".`
`20:30.25`	`weab`	`Industrial: if you want to add an option to automaton's gossip module to do that, or a new module that does it go ahead. or if you want to just use its guts feel free.`
`20:30.37`	`ckknight\|work`	`aE\|neXter: /script AceLibrary("AceEvent-2.0"):ScheduleRepeatingEvent(SendChatMessage, 1, "I am a monkey")`
`20:30.39`	`*** join/#wowace Royal (n=m@cp291458-a.landg1.lb.home.nl)`
`20:30.49`	`kagaro`	`would be easier yeah but a whole 'subzone' lib would be more complete .. @see outlands instance wings`
`20:31.08`	`aE\|neXter`	`ckknight\|work: well... that repeats "i'm a monkey every second, right?`
`20:31.24`	`kagaro`	`I could add more accurate fish skill info to tourist with a ful subzone lib`
`20:31.25`	`vhaarr`	`aE\|neXter: Do you want the solution printed out to you, or do you want hints?`
`20:31.26`	`aE\|neXter`	`ckknight\|work: what about "4 ... 3 ... 2 ... 1 ... GO!" ?`
`20:31.34`	`Daemona`	`hmmm dependency missing stuff with cartographer.... is that due to .toc updates that are already in or is someone messing with cartographer?`
`20:31.39`	`aE\|neXter`	`vharr: a perfect ready solution would be nice, yeah :D`
`20:31.43`	`kergoth`	`aE\|neXter: no offense, but RTFM`
`20:31.48`	`vhaarr`	`aE\|neXter: I think you're in the wrong channel, then.`
`20:31.51`	`kergoth`	`aceevent is well documented`
`20:31.52`	`vhaarr`	`so, yeah, RTFM.`
`20:32.20`	`aE\|neXter`	`neither wowwiki nor blizz api docs gave me a hint, that's why i'm here`
`20:32.22`	`KarlThePagan`	`vhaarr, ckknight\|work adding "Instance Wing" - will return true for IsInstance / IsZoneOrInstance but IterateIntances will only pick up the actual zones`
`20:32.30`	`CIA-17`	`03leech * r24290 10dgks/ (dgks.lua dgks.toc): dgks: Updated .toc`
`20:32.39`	`aE\|neXter`	`cause you're the most knowledgebable wow lua coders i know! (if that word exists)`
`20:32.41`	`Dekuna`	`is Xuerian around? Gratuity-2.0-21556 (XLoot):62: attempt to index field 'Rlines' (a nil value)`
`20:32.44`	`kagaro`	`Daemona: what is missing ?`
`20:32.44`	`KarlThePagan`	`also the instance zones will show the wings as instances of the instance`
`20:32.55`	`vhaarr`	`Dekuna: That's Tekkups shit, not Xuerian.`
`20:32.55`	`ckknight\|work`	`aE\|neXter: knowledgeable`
`20:33.04`	`Antiarc`	`aE\|neXter: ScheduleEvent takes a function as a parameter. Pass in your own function that counts down and prints the message.`
`20:33.09`	`Daemona`	`kagaro uh sec, i only see it in mcp let me relog quickly`
`20:33.15`	`aE\|neXter`	`Antiarc: thanks`
`20:33.26`	`Dekuna`	`vhaarr: kk`
`20:33.47`	`vhaarr`	`tekkub*`
`20:33.54`	`kergoth`	`aE\|neXter: you're in the ace channel. here's a crazy idea... check the fucking ace site.`
`20:34.00`	`kagaro`	`new toc 20300 ?`
`20:34.01`	`kergoth`	`aE\|neXter: where the libs are fully documented`
`20:34.06`	`Antiarc`	`20003`
`20:34.10`	`Antiarc`	`Caught me too, kagaro :)`
`20:34.38`	`CIA-17`	`03ominous * r24291 10ItemEnchantApplication/ (Core.lua Popup.lua): ItemEnchantApplication: Frame Strata is now higher so frame is above bag frames`
`20:34.44`	`aE\|neXter`	`no reason to be rude, sry`
`20:34.45`	`Daemona`	`laugh kagaro its "cartographer" itself, the modules are complaining ;)`
`20:35.11`	`kergoth`	`aE\|neXter: there's plenty of reason to be rude. your laziness and inability to operate your web browser is wasting our time`
`20:35.22`	`Daemona`	`am using rev. 24208 from a few hours ago`
`20:35.26`	`Dekuna`	`vhaarr: is this an old lib that i can replace with SkipVersionCheck, or is it borked`
`20:35.28`	`aE\|neXter`	`if you say so...`
`20:35.55`	`CIA-17`	`03kagaro * r24292 10Babble-2.2/Babble-2.2.toc: Babble-2.2: updated toc`
`20:36.10`	`kergoth`	`now myself, before i pester developers with silly questions, i actually check their web page first. crazy, i know`
`20:36.52`	`kagaro`	`brb`
`20:36.57`	`JoshBorke`	`liar kergoth!`
`20:37.32`	`Mikma`	`haste: you have died 4 times now`
`20:37.36`	`Gnarfoz`	`heh, harshness from developers is a weeeeird concept not known to most users :D`
`20:37.40`	`*** join/#wowace Adirell1 (n=Guillaum@tok69-5-82-235-150-60.fbx.proxad.net)`
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`20:37.54`	`haste`	`Mikma: oh noes!`
`20:38.54`	`[dRaCo]`	`mikma, got a moment?`
`20:39.11`	`Mikma`	`[dRaCo]: yes`
`20:39.15`	`dafire`	`haste.. do me a favor .. gimme oUF :)`
`20:39.20`	`[dRaCo]`	`ok, cool`
`20:39.38`	`haste`	`dafire: my guild is dead until TBC, I'll probably start working on it again then`
`20:39.39`	`[dRaCo]`	`so I took that castbar code of yours (dunno if you remember)`
`20:39.52`	`Mikma`	`yes?`
`20:39.55`	`dafire`	`mine to.. thats why i have time to code :o)`
`20:40.11`	`[dRaCo]`	`made my WoW load it, everything works so far`
`20:40.21`	`Laric`	`anyone happens to have a link to 2.0.3 changelog?`
`20:40.30`	`mjc`	`15k armor now and almost 7k health with just mark`
`20:40.31`	`[dRaCo]`	`but I have to call the enable() method everytime I login`
`20:41.21`	`Daemona`	`Laric 2.0.3 changelog -> http://ace.pastey.net/4785`
`20:41.22`	`Antiarc`	`Laric: Worldofraids has it`
`20:41.33`	`[dRaCo]`	`is there anything to make it work without any interaction?`
`20:42.38`	`Mikma`	`[dRaCo]: umh, add the function needed at the end of .lua... like myaddon:Enable()`
`20:42.56`	`Mikma`	`[dRaCo]: at the last line of the .lua`
`20:43.00`	`[dRaCo]`	`ok, I'll try that`
`20:43.02`	`[dRaCo]`	`thanks`
`20:43.11`	`CIA-17`	`03karlthepagan * r24293 10Bits/ (Bits-1.0/Bits-1.0.lua Bits.toc):`
`20:43.11`	`CIA-17`	`Bits:`
`20:43.11`	`CIA-17`	`<PROTECTED>`
`20:43.11`	`CIA-17`	`<PROTECTED>`
`20:43.14`	`CIA-17`	`03karlthepagan * r24294 10Grouper/Grouper.toc:`
`20:43.14`	`CIA-17`	`Grouper:`
`20:43.15`	`CIA-17`	`<PROTECTED>`
`20:43.57`	`KarlThePagan`	`there is apparently a very exciting pvp zergfest and many special item drops in BL this week`
`20:44.09`	`KarlThePagan`	`including a tabbard that lets you /flex with holy nova burst effect`
`20:44.33`	`Antiarc`	`KarlThePagan: Wait, what?!`
`20:44.44`	`KarlThePagan`	`gates opening world event is live on US`
`20:45.07`	`nae-lap`	`Hm. Is there a way to disable the alt-click popup menu in Baggins? It makes trading by alt-clicking quite the hassle`
`20:45.16`	`[dRaCo]`	`yay, that did it, thanks mikma.`
`20:45.17`	`nae-lap`	`Not to mention using fence to create auctions`
`20:45.22`	`Antiarc`	`wtb holy nova tabard pst.`
`20:45.23`	`Mikma`	`[dRaCo]: np`
`20:46.20`	`Mimesis`	`special item dropds?`
`20:46.37`	`nae-lap`	`wow`
`20:46.41`	`nae-lap`	`Going to get me some of that then`
`20:46.48`	`mjc`	`lol already 3 tauren on my server with raptors`
`20:47.07`	`Mikma`	`Antiarc: whatthefuck holy nova tabard?`
`20:47.13`	`nae-lap`	`But if the raptors are not event-related it's not important :P`
`20:47.18`	`Mimesis`	`thats dumb, night elf mechanostrider please`
`20:47.24`	`Antiarc`	`Mikma: 10[13:39] KarlThePagan: 01there is apparently a very exciting pvp zergfest and many special item drops in BL this week`
`20:47.24`	`Antiarc`	`10[13:39] KarlThePagan: 01including a tabbard that lets you /flex with holy nova burst effect`
`20:47.48`	`sylvanaar`	`im not the only one, i just read the backbuffer - hehe`
`20:47.55`	`Gastro`	`KEL'THUZAD DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWN`
`20:48.00`	`Gastro`	`uh fc`
`20:48.02`	`Gastro`	`-.-`
`20:48.03`	`Dekuna`	`orly`
`20:48.11`	`Gastro`	`im sorry`
`20:48.34`	`nae-lap`	`What is the tabard called?`
`20:49.14`	`Antiarc`	`[Tabard of 1000 Whispers]`
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`20:49.48`	`mjc`	`[Tabard of 1,000 Truths]`
`20:49.55`	`Antiarc`	`Chance on use to proc 2-20 "omg whered u get that" tells if used in a major city.`
`20:50.00`	`KarlThePagan`	`be back later`
`20:50.01`	`nae-lap`	`oki`
`20:50.02`	`mjc`	`cartman's diarrhea-filled pants`
`20:50.19`	`FatherJim`	`Anyone here good with library declarations in the TOC?`
`20:50.22`	`nae-lap`	`..`
`20:50.22`	`kagaro`	`Daemona: can you get a pasty of the error? im at work and cant login`
`20:50.56`	`CIA-17`	`03kagaro * r24295 10Cartographer/Cartographer.toc: Cartographer: upated toc`
`20:51.07`	`Antiarc`	`FatherJim: What do you mean, exactly?`
`20:51.34`	`Daemona`	`kagaro its not an error, just all cartographer plugins complain about cartographer not being found ;)`
`20:51.45`	`sylvanaar`	`anyone interested in writing a pvp/bg module for prat?`
`20:51.48`	`FatherJim`	`I have someone wanting to use my Addon, says the AceDebug-2.0 library isn't included, so I went into the SVNTortoise and added it to my externals, but the last build still didn't include it.`
`20:51.53`	`Nomad_Wanderer`	`weird.. like 1 of my bartender bars got copied.. Like bar 3 and bar 1 are sharing the same buttons,.. when I add a spell to bar1 it appears on bar3`
`20:52.05`	`Antiarc`	`Did you commit the directory that you added it as an external to?`
`20:52.06`	`Daemona`	`like going to your addons tab and seeing "dependency missing"`
`20:52.07`	`JoshBorke`	`anyone know how to make a frame close when escape is pressed?`
`20:52.16`	`FatherJim`	`not the directory, no.`
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`20:52.26`	`Antiarc`	`You can test it pretty easily by adding the external declaration and then doing an "svn up", and if it pulls in the external, all is good.`
`20:52.40`	`Antiarc`	`(rather than installing the library into the dir manually)`
`20:53.21`	`FatherJim`	`I've always just updated the individual files.`
`20:53.22`	`Antiarc`	`The TOC file shouldn't have anything to do with whether externals are working right or not, for clarification`
`20:53.39`	`CIA-17`	`03kagaro * r24296 10Cartographer_Fishing/Cartographer_Fishing.toc: Cartographer_Fishing: updated toc`
`20:54.05`	`CIA-17`	`03kagaro * r24297 10Cartographer_Stats/Cartographer_Stats.toc: Cartographer_Stats: updated toc`
`20:54.22`	`Thorgard`	`KarlThePagan, you're kidding about the tabard, right?`
`20:54.22`	`Antiarc`	`What's your externals property on the libs directory look like?`
`20:54.29`	`FatherJim`	`heh, it's big. :)`
`20:54.30`	`CIA-17`	`03kagaro * r24298 10Cartographer_Herbalism/Cartographer_Herbalism.toc: Cartographer_Herbalism: updated toc`
`20:54.34`	`FatherJim`	`at least seems big to me.`
`20:54.50`	`Antiarc`	`Alternately, just set "## Dependencies: AceDebug-2.0" in your TOC so that if it's missing, someone will have to install it separately.`
`20:54.52`	`FatherJim`	`It's worked on all of the others I've included, Ace, AceLibrary, AceDB, etc.`
`20:54.56`	`Antiarc`	`But that's a rather un-ace solution`
`20:54.58`	`CIA-17`	`03kagaro * r24299 10Cartographer_Mining/Cartographer_Mining.toc: Cartographer_Mining: updated toc`
`20:55.21`	`FatherJim`	`yeah, I'd like to avoid unace-ish solutions. :)`
`20:55.31`	`Antiarc`	`Which addon is it?`
`20:55.35`	`FatherJim`	`Loudmouth`
`20:55.40`	`CIA-17`	`03kagaro * r24300 10Cartographer_Noteshare/Cartographer_Noteshare.toc: Cartographer_Noteshare: updated toc`
`20:55.43`	`vhaarr`	`Dekuna: What library?`
`20:56.04`	`Antiarc`	`I'll check it out and take a look.`
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`20:56.40`	`CIA-17`	`03fatherjim * r24301 10loudmouth/ (changelog.txt loudmouth.lua):`
`20:56.40`	`CIA-17`	`loudmouth:`
`20:56.40`	`CIA-17`	`- Committing changes to see if AceDebug is bundled correctly.`
`20:56.54`	`FatherJim`	`Thanks, I appreciate it. Last time I added a library, it worked correctly... and I did the same thing this time...`
`20:56.54`	`CIA-17`	`03kagaro * r24302 10Cartographer_Treasure/Cartographer_Treasure.toc: Cartographer_Treasure: updated toc`
`20:56.58`	`Antiarc`	`FWIW, you shouldn't have to commit to get an external to take effect for an update.`
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`20:57.09`	`FatherJim`	`that's what I thought too, but...`
`20:57.17`	`CIA-17`	`03rabbit 07Rabbit * r24303 10FuBar_GroupFu/ (FuBar_GroupFu.toc GroupFu.lua GroupFuLocal-enUS.lua): FuBar_GroupFu: Say "Leader" instead of "Raid leader" now that Roster-2.1 supports party leaders as well.`
`20:57.18`	`vhaarr`	`It takes 20min to update.`
`20:57.27`	`CIA-17`	`03kagaro * r24304 10Cartographer_Import/Cartographer_Import.toc: Cartographer_Import: updated toc`
`20:57.28`	`FatherJim`	`I've seen it take up to 30. :)`
`20:57.35`	`Antiarc`	`vhaarr: But you can do an "svn up" without committing and it'll pull in the external.`
`20:57.38`	`Gnarfoz`	`the clock is way off anyway.`
`20:57.47`	`FatherJim`	`it didn't work, said I was out of sync or something like that.`
`20:57.54`	`vhaarr`	`Antiarc: I'm talking about the ZIP script.`
`20:57.59`	`Antiarc`	`Right, I know that one ;)`
`20:58.00`	`Quetzi`	`no AceDebug in loudmouth externals atm at least`
`20:58.10`	`FatherJim`	`exactly. That's the problem. lol`
`20:58.16`	`CIA-17`	`03kagaro * r24305 10Cartographer_Quests/Cartographer_Quests.toc: Cartographer_Quests: updated toc`
`20:58.40`	`FatherJim`	`I added it yesterday, and did 2 different code commits yesterday and they're still not showing up.`
`20:58.40`	`Antiarc`	`Oy, even dev SVN is slow today.`
`20:58.41`	`Quetzi`	`well thats why its not in the zip ;)`
`20:58.53`	`FatherJim`	`I know that. :) I'm trying to fix that. lol`
`20:59.25`	`CIA-17`	`03kagaro * r24306 10Cartographer_Vendors/Cartographer_Vendors.toc: Cartographer_Vendors: updated toc`
`20:59.59`	`FroMaster`	`are the changes to 2.0.3 serious enough to NOT load out of date addon's until things get updated?`
`21:00.05`	`Antiarc`	`Nah.`
`21:00.48`	`Antiarc`	`Mostly just got new stuff and bugfixes, I believe.`
`21:00.48`	`dafire`	`something wrong with babble ?`
`21:00.48`	`CIA-17`	`03kagaro * r24307 10Cartographer_Trainers/Cartographer_Trainers.toc: Cartographer_Trainers: updated toc`
`21:00.48`	`wizbor_`	`gonna have to add Fishing to my Cartographer bundle of addons. I've one toon that luvs to fish. he fish's naked... Horde seem to leave him alone`
`21:00.48`	`kenlyric\|work`	`I think the update the toc anytime they change the interface.`
`21:00.57`	`FatherJim`	`So the version should now be 20300?`
`21:00.59`	`kenlyric\|work`	`so far, every mod but simpleminimap worked exactly as before, and that one I only had to move because it had gotten out of position.`
`21:01.01`	`Antiarc`	`20003`
`21:01.07`	`FatherJim`	`k, will update my tocs`
`21:01.26`	`odt`	`whre do they get the zeros from btw?`
`21:01.36`	`Antiarc`	`2 - 00 - 03`
`21:01.36`	`FatherJim`	`2.00.03`
`21:01.52`	`odt`	`k, makes more sense than 20-00-3`
`21:02.03`	`JoshBorke`	`they pulled it out of their ass`
`21:02.04`	`FatherJim`	`that'd be version 20. :)`
`21:02.11`	`Antiarc`	`20.0.30!`
`21:02.13`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`2.0.3`
`21:02.18`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Silly people :P`
`21:02.20`	`Antiarc`	`By then I'd better be jacked in via neural interface.`
`21:02.23`	`CIA-17`	`03kagaro * r24308 10Cartographer_Icons/Cartographer_Icons.toc: Cartographer_Icons: updated toc`
`21:02.27`	`FatherJim`	`lol yeah. :)`
`21:02.37`	`bigzero`	`i'd /wrists if I was still playing when v20 came out`
`21:02.47`	`odt`	`lols`
`21:02.50`	`FatherJim`	`But then Blizz will not want to allow casting in combat, b ecause it wasn't triggered by a 'hardware' event. lol`
`21:02.59`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`I'd be /cheer :)`
`21:03.04`	`Antiarc`	`Patch 20.0.30 notes`
`21:03.06`	`Antiarc`	`-------------------------`
`21:03.08`	`Antiarc`	`- Fixed an issue that was causing some players to lose their memories when zoning. We apologize for any inconvenience this has caused and will be offering a 16-hour credit for those affected.`
`21:03.20`	`FatherJim`	`Um, I can't remember, was I affected? lol`
`21:03.29`	`Jandis`	`ok, just downloaded the patch... what's the new TOC number?`
`21:03.42`	`ckknight\|work`	`20003`
`21:03.44`	`dafire`	`wtf is babbel out of date ? we didn't got the patch yet ;9`
`21:03.51`	`Antiarc`	`FatherJim: I just did a dev.wowace checkout and there is no AceDebug in your libs.`
`21:04.00`	`Antiarc`	`You sure you did an external, not a straight checkout?`
`21:04.02`	`FatherJim`	`yeah, I know that. :) That's what I'm trying to fix.`
`21:04.03`	`snurre`	`- Support for old input devices such as mice and keyboard has been removed as they were no longer necessary.`
`21:04.13`	`FatherJim`	`Yes, Let me screenshot my svn:externals...`
`21:04.23`	`Antiarc`	`Heh, I have it right here. :D`
`21:04.27`	`kagaro`	`ok all cart modules updated the toc`
`21:04.34`	`FatherJim`	`Anitarc - how did you get it?`
`21:04.45`	`CIA-17`	`03kagaro * r24311 10Cartographer_Hotspot/Cartographer_Hotspot.toc: Cartographer_Hotspot: updated toc`
`21:04.45`	`Antiarc`	`I did a subversion checkout from dev`
`21:04.47`	`kagaro`	`dafire: I updated the babble toc to 2.03`
`21:04.51`	`FatherJim`	`ah.`
`21:05.07`	`dafire`	`hmm.. it should say it's to new then ;)`
`21:05.09`	`Antiarc`	`No AceDEbug in there.`
`21:05.11`	`Antiarc`	`http://ace.pastey.net/4813`
`21:05.34`	`Antiarc`	`Add a line for "libs/AceDebug-2.0 http://svn.wowace.com/wowace/trunk/Ace2/AceLocale-2.0/" and commit it and it should work.`
`21:05.38`	`Antiarc`	`Err`
`21:05.42`	`Antiarc`	`libs/AceDebug-2.0 http://svn.wowace.com/wowace/trunk/Ace2/AceDebug-2.0/`
`21:05.47`	`doktoreas`	`sorry for OT but anyone got link for 2.0.3?`
`21:05.50`	`FatherJim`	`yeah, it's in my externals.`
`21:05.54`	`CIA-17`	`03gagorian * r24312 10DrDamage/ (7 files in 2 dirs):`
`21:05.54`	`CIA-17`	`DrDamage:`
`21:05.54`	`CIA-17`	`-TOC update. Experimental paladin support added. Changes to some of the talents/spells affected by the patch.`
`21:05.55`	`FatherJim`	`I've done that 2x now`
`21:05.58`	`Antiarc`	`Huh.`
`21:06.03`	`FatherJim`	`let me post a photo on my web...`
`21:06.12`	`Antiarc`	`If you change it - add more spaces between them - and then do svn status, what do you get?`
`21:06.22`	`Antiarc`	`I could try commiting the externals change, if you like. shrug`
`21:06.27`	`Antiarc`	`Maybe something off with your working copy.`
`21:07.10`	`FatherJim`	`http://slayernet.org/WOW/externals.jpg`
`21:07.21`	`Antiarc`	`Huh.`
`21:07.31`	`FatherJim`	`Been there the last 2 commits.`
`21:07.46`	`Antiarc`	`I just added it to my working copy, did an update, and it pulled it in.`
`21:08.10`	`wizbor_`	`gagorian: gonna try out DrDamage on my Priest afterwork tonight`
`21:08.27`	`FatherJim`	`Hmm... I guess I'll delete it and check it back out?`
`21:08.38`	`Gagorian`	`wizbor_: Alright, tell me if you notice anything that's off.`
`21:08.39`	`Antiarc`	`Maybe Tortoise isn't picking up the directory props change for some reason?`
`21:08.53`	`FatherJim`	`that's the only thing that makes sense to me.`
`21:08.56`	`Antiarc`	`Hm`
`21:09.09`	`Antiarc`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:09.16`	`Quetzi`	`depends if you are committing the dir or the individual files in it I'm guessing`
`21:09.19`	`wizbor_`	`gagorian: np will do`
`21:09.34`	`FatherJim`	`always been doing the files.`
`21:09.40`	`Quetzi`	`thats why its missed then`
`21:10.14`	`Quetzi`	`commit the main dir and it'll update the externals`
`21:10.27`	`FatherJim`	`it wouldn't, said something about being out of sync, will try again`
`21:11.51`	`CIA-17`	`03fatherjim * r24314 10loudmouth/:`
`21:11.51`	`CIA-17`	`loudmouth:`
`21:11.52`	`CIA-17`	`- attempting to completely get this up to date. :(`
`21:12.01`	`FatherJim`	`There, now it seems to be 'clean' at this end.`
`21:12.58`	`FatherJim`	`Well, at least I learned something today. :)`
`21:13.28`	`cynyr`	`lol alliance is getting pwnd at the darkportal`
`21:13.46`	`Stephmw`	`all out pvp?`
`21:14.06`	`sergio`	`is there anything to do there yet`
`21:14.22`	`FatherJim`	`Thank you very much Antiarc and Quetzi for helping me understand where I went wrong. :)`
`21:15.09`	`Quetzi`	`no worries, looks like you got it to take that time ;)`
`21:15.19`	`FatherJim`	`Yes! :) whew`
`21:15.21`	`Antiarc`	`No prob. Sorry I was so confusing. :D`
`21:15.34`	`FatherJim`	`oh, you weren't. :) Just it's a very specific fix.`
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`21:16.55`	`FatherJim`	`It doesn't help I'm new to SVN, to Ace, and to Addon coding. lol`
`21:18.41`	`cynyr`	`sergio: there is a quest for a tabbard... and the top 3 horde guilds are at the portal camping it`
`21:18.43`	`Sparkz`	`FatherJim: Check out http://svnbook.red-bean.com/ for all you need to know about svn`
`21:18.53`	`FatherJim`	`Now, if only I could detect someone is typing in an editbox in game. :)`
`21:19.48`	`dafire`	`ok .. anyone from us reals can tell something about the event thing noted in the patchnotes ?`
`21:21.12`	`Antiarc`	`FatherJim: You could check the contents of the box on a timer`
`21:21.23`	`Antiarc`	`Or you could just set the OnTextChange script, I think`
`21:21.39`	`FatherJim`	`OnTextChange... I thought that only fired after the whole box was done editing?`
`21:21.48`	`FatherJim`	`I'll try that one though, soon as the update downloads. lol`
`21:21.57`	`Antiarc`	`Lemme look, I do that in Sanity.`
`21:22.08`	`FatherJim`	`Oh you wrote Sanity? I like that one. :)`
`21:22.09`	`CIA-17`	`03adirelle * r24315 10AutoBar/ (AutoBarItemList.lua Core.lua Locale-frFR.lua):`
`21:22.09`	`CIA-17`	`AutoBar:`
`21:22.09`	`CIA-17`	`- fixed Warsong Gulch frFR translation,`
`21:22.09`	`CIA-17`	`- fixed and tested pet feeding.`
`21:22.29`	`Antiarc`	`Yeah, OnTextChanged fires every time you change the text in the box`
`21:22.33`	`Antiarc`	`And yeah. Glad you like it. :)`
`21:22.36`	`Daemona`	`<3 CMs... As the Burning Crusade expansion was finished prior to the most current patch versions it will be necessary to re-patch to 2.0.3 once the expansion is installed. As some players remove their patches after they have been applied we would like to provide a helpful warning not to delete the �2.0.0-to-2.0.3� patch file as it will be required after the Burning Crusade is installed.`
`21:23.01`	`FatherJim`	`actually, a guildie turned me on to it, and I like very much how it helps me find stuff on all my 8 toons on this server. :)`
`21:23.07`	`Antiarc`	`Huh. Wonder what they're re-re-patching.`
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`21:23.14`	`Antiarc`	`Yeah, that's why I wrote it. :D`
`21:23.27`	`Antiarc`	`I was running my guild bank and had several bank characters and was going...well, crazy trying to find it all.`
`21:23.35`	`Antiarc`	`So I said "screw this, I'm writing a mod to do it for me"`
`21:23.45`	`odt`	`Daemona: link?`
`21:23.51`	`Daemona`	`Antiarc my thoughts... why patch something ppl already got on hdd... i assumed TBC is just a 2.0.0 patch on cd with an expansion key to validate the account`
`21:24.02`	`Mery`	`well probably its just that the cd gots pressed way before the patch was finished`
`21:24.02`	`Daemona`	`odt http://blue.cardplace.com/newcache/forums.wow-europe.com/107652261.htm`
`21:24.08`	`odt`	`ty`
`21:24.13`	`Antiarc`	`Ahh, I see. BC is a regression that has to be repatched.`
`21:24.15`	`Antiarc`	`That makes more sense.`
`21:24.24`	`Barbanus`	`The 2.0.1 was the "gold" release`
`21:24.28`	`Antiarc`	`Got it.`
`21:24.29`	`Barbanus`	`the one that is on the CDs`
`21:24.34`	`sergio`	`are they kiddinggggggggg`
`21:24.35`	`sergio`	`sigh`
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`21:24.46`	`sergio`	`i deleted that sucker 1 second after i finished`
`21:25.09`	`Barbanus`	`deleted items!`
`21:25.10`	`Barbanus`	`gogo`
`21:25.17`	`sergio`	`why do they store the install files in stupid .mpqs`
`21:25.22`	`sergio`	`it should just be out there`
`21:25.31`	`Antiarc`	`eh?`
`21:25.46`	`sergio`	`on the blizzard cds they usually have install.mpq 1-4`
`21:25.49`	`sergio`	`for each cd`
`21:25.56`	`Stephmw`	`ah, silly me - I've not had that patch yet`
`21:25.57`	`Antiarc`	`Those are the data archives, aren't they?`
`21:25.59`	`Thorgard`	`Tuller, no more 'visibility' toggles for bars? :o`
`21:26.02`	`sergio`	`yes it's retarded`
`21:26.04`	`Antiarc`	`Like, all the game data.`
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`21:26.16`	`Tuller`	`Thorgard: shift + rightclick :P`
`21:26.17`	`Antiarc`	`Not really. If you were to extract that data, you'd have tens of thousands of files.`
`21:26.17`	`sergio`	`it should just be on a dvd`
`21:26.18`	`Barbanus`	`its their version of a dat file.`
`21:26.20`	`Tuller`	`or middleclick`
`21:26.30`	`CIA-17`	`03morgalm * r24316 10MorgDKP/MorgDKP-deDE.lua:`
`21:26.30`	`CIA-17`	`MorgDKP:`
`21:26.30`	`CIA-17`	`-added deDE file`
`21:26.31`	`sergio`	`no you'd have expansion.mpq`
`21:26.46`	`cynyr`	`i which the bliz pet raid fram would stop oppening it's self...`
`21:26.50`	`Antiarc`	`Data archives in games are generally of a format that allows them to pack data together in an order for optimal reading speed.`
`21:26.58`	`Thorgard`	`Tuller, aaah. Also got a few 'ADDON_ACTION_BLOCKED' but I suppose those aren't anything to worry about.`
`21:27.09`	`Antiarc`	`Doing a bunch of accesses to one file is usally a ton faster than doing a bunch of accesses to a bunch of files.`
`21:27.11`	`sergio`	`Antiarc you're not getting me.. they archive the archives for the installer`
`21:27.14`	`Tuller`	`I don't believe in ADDON_ACTION_BLOCKED`
`21:27.20`	`Antiarc`	`shrug`
`21:27.23`	`Antiarc`	`I'm sure they have some reason.`
`21:27.27`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`whee, /files is slooooow.`
`21:27.31`	`sergio`	`instead of having them in a directory structure for the installer`
`21:27.46`	`cynyr`	`Antiarc: it's harder to steal stuff this way.. you have to be able to unpack the container`
`21:28.00`	`Barbanus`	`sergio, the patches include multiple parts, the 1st part was the bg-downloader, and the 2nd part was the part released today ...`
`21:28.05`	`Barbanus`	`Unless I am misunderstanding you`
`21:28.06`	`Antiarc`	`Unpacking MPQs is a trivial task for anyone that wants to steal anything out of 'em, though.`
`21:28.29`	`cynyr`	`Antiarc: true.. but then they can slap you with a DMCA fine...`
`21:28.57`	`cynyr`	`Antiarc: for curcumventing a copy protection mesure`
`21:29.06`	`Antiarc`	`MPQs aren't encrypted`
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`21:29.19`	`Antiarc`	`They're just packed sequentially with a listfile`
`21:29.30`	`Antiarc`	`Like a tarball, except less general.`
`21:29.32`	`Barbanus`	`iirc, mpqs are just a renamed extention of another archive type`
`21:29.37`	`cynyr`	`Antiarc: shurg last i knew thats enough to count`
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`21:31.23`	`Antiarc`	`whee netsplit.`
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`21:31.26`	`sergio`	`All i'm bitching about is.. let's say the dvd came in a plain directory structure /Data/expansion.mpq I could just copy that file to my data directory and be good for expansion in theory or at least try it before wasting time`
`21:31.44`	`sergio`	`instead it's Install1-4.mpq`
`21:31.44`	`FatherJim`	`D'oh, the BG Sort mod isn't needed any more. lol`
`21:32.04`	`Antiarc`	`Well, I think they construct expansion.mpq out of files in patch-1.mpq and patch-2.mpq, though I may be wrong.`
`21:32.12`	`Barbanus`	`sergio, its because they made it so they dont have to make a different installer for the DVD, if you look, I bet each of those files are CD size.`
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`21:32.26`	`Antiarc`	`I'm just not sure it's as simple as a straight copy-over.`
`21:32.40`	`FatherJim`	`Dang it, druids have to respec again... grrr...`
`21:32.55`	`Antiarc`	`Whoo, rogues get to respec again! Yay!`
`21:33.01`	`Jandis`	`anyone have any suggestions for a library that calculates healing spells values, that includes buffs/debuffs, talents, etc? I need to find something easy to integrate into a mod I'm writing at the moment`
`21:33.15`	`Antiarc`	`Anyone been to see what the new PVP reward prices are?`
`21:33.26`	`Barbanus`	`Antiarc, no, I'm curious though`
`21:33.33`	`Barbanus`	`I wonder if Beta had the new prices`
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`21:33.43`	`Barbanus`	`I'll check our thottbot.com/beta`
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`21:34.41`	`Mygore`	`Anyone else crashing when opening the map while using Cartographer?`
`21:35.02`	`Feldia`	`nope`
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`21:35.35`	`Barbanus`	`hmmmm, thottbot.com/beta has the old prices for all GM/Marshal stuff`
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`21:36.12`	`Mygore`	`Oh wait its not Cartographer itself it seems its Cartographer_herbalism`
`21:38.27`	`Barbanus`	`Portal opening stuff, http://blue.cardplace.com/newcache/forums.worldofwarcraft.com/62153747.htm?posts=3`
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`21:40.32`	`Barbanus`	`Anyone have a good patch mirror?`
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`21:41.10`	`alcaras`	`is WAU updating really slow for anyon else?`
`21:41.20`	`nee-lap`	`It is forme`
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`21:41.32`	`nee-lap`	`wowwiki.com/Patch_mirrors`
`21:41.37`	`Barbanus`	`its getting slammed`
`21:41.40`	`Barbanus`	`that site too :P`
`21:41.48`	`Barbanus`	`wowwiki is basically dead atm`
`21:41.51`	`Stephmw`	`aye`
`21:44.17`	`Saroz`	`http://www.majacobs.info/sa/pictures/WoWScrnShot_010907_162039.jpg`
`21:44.19`	`kagaro`	`Mygore: did you get the branch from today? and if so what is the error its causing`
`21:44.22`	`Saroz`	`http://www.majacobs.info/sa/pictures/WoWScrnShot_010907_162009.jpg`
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`21:45.31`	`Saroz`	`http://www.majacobs.info/sa/pictures/WoWScrnShot_010907_162021.jpg`
`21:46.03`	`alcaras`	`is that the world event?`
`21:46.03`	`Yinchie`	`hey if i /afk in BG's when can I enter again? as a deserter`
`21:46.11`	`Yinchie`	`first time i /afkd in bg :P`
`21:46.13`	`axxo`	`15min`
`21:46.27`	`Yinchie`	`ok thx, stupid alliance camping wsg flagroom.. 41 min passed still no caps..`
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`21:46.32`	`Yinchie`	`so i went /afk`
`21:46.51`	`Antiarc`	`hahaha`
`21:46.56`	`FatherJim`	`Antiarc - that OnTextChanged is perfect. I apparently had been using OnValueChanged, which only fires at the end.`
`21:47.00`	`Antiarc`	`Yup`
`21:47.05`	`Antiarc`	`Glad it works!`
`21:47.55`	`FatherJim`	`Oh, this is much better.`
`21:48.54`	`FatherJim`	`This is going to let the UI behave MUCH more like I had originally intended.`
`21:49.18`	`Barbanus`	`Saroz, is that a tauran?`
`21:49.49`	`Mikma`	`I HAS A NEW CHANNEL! #haste_fanbois!!!`
`21:50.00`	`haste`	`lol`
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`21:50.02`	`Saroz`	`Barbanus, kazzak with shoulders, I think`
`21:50.06`	`alcaras`	`anyone know of a wau mirror i can use?`
`21:50.13`	`Barbanus`	`oh, those aren't horns?`
`21:50.17`	`Barbanus`	`hard to see :P`
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`21:51.32`	`Saroz`	`same loot as kazzak`
`21:51.34`	`Mygore`	`Kagaro, just updated again and its fixed so no problem now`
`21:51.41`	`kagaro`	`k`
`21:51.48`	`Mygore`	`thanks`
`21:51.51`	`Barbanus`	`same loot? or look? lol`
`21:52.02`	`Saroz`	`loot`
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`21:52.46`	`Barbanus`	`really... heh`
`21:52.50`	`Barbanus`	`stupid kazzak`
`21:53.00`	`Mygore`	`guess its better than having kazzak in blasted lands and then having a kazzak in outlands`
`21:53.13`	`Tornhoof`	`including magmadar pet`
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`21:53.24`	`Kaelten`	`I hope I don't have to take down wowace.com again`
`21:53.28`	`Kaelten`	`its mounting`
`21:53.31`	`Barbanus`	`kazzak in the outlands is like level 70 boss I think I heard`
`21:53.36`	`Saroz`	`yup`
`21:53.40`	`Tornhoof`	`doom lord kazzak`
`21:53.45`	`Barbanus`	`new loot etc`
`21:53.56`	`kenlyric\|work`	`he got all superpowered I guess.`
`21:53.58`	`alcaras`	`Where's a mirror I can use for WowAceUpdater?`
`21:54.01`	`Stavmar`	`Is there a good quest log Ace Addon, or is there something that anyone uses here that would be a good suggestion to look at to extend the quest log?`
`21:54.56`	`Quetzi`	`tried Fubar_QuestFu?`
`21:54.57`	`KarlThePagan`	`QuestFu Stavmar`
`21:55.03`	`KarlThePagan`	`err yea what he sait...`
`21:55.06`	`KarlThePagan`	`d...`
`21:56.23`	`alcaras`	`so, WowAceUpdater is horribly slow at the moment`
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`21:56.40`	`alcaras`	`what can I do to fix this, apart from donating $$ to ace? :P`
`21:56.45`	`Kaelten`	`alcaras: wanna no why?`
`21:56.56`	`Thorgard`	`Tuller, how does all this docking stuff work?`
`21:56.59`	`Kaelten`	`average (5s sliding average)`
`21:56.59`	`Kaelten`	`Requests38 req/s`
`21:56.59`	`Kaelten`	`Traffic1.53 Mbyte/s`
`21:56.59`	`kenlyric\|work`	`alcaras: or just wait a few days.`
`21:57.02`	`Feldia`	`couldn't have anything to do with the 7 million people running it right now`
`21:57.16`	`Kaelten`	`with more than 600 concurrent connections`
`21:57.24`	`Goeb`	`kae- that's all?`
`21:57.31`	`Tuller`	`Thorgard: drag a bar over another bar to attach it, so that it shares the same position, layout and hotkeys but can be shown at different times`
`21:57.33`	`Feldia`	`hurm yea, I expected alot more!`
`21:57.34`	`kenlyric\|work`	`OMG a mod site is slow on patch day. Someone call the New York Times!`
`21:57.41`	`Goeb`	`really I expected more :)`
`21:57.48`	`Goeb`	`I guess it is a lot of small files tho`
`21:57.50`	`Kaelten`	`Goeb: europe hasn't hit yet`
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`21:58.06`	`Goeb`	`600 connections is gettin up there...`
`21:58.13`	`kenlyric\|work`	`in other news, Blizzard announced this week That their newest patch, 2.0.3, might have a bug in it. News at 11!`
`21:58.17`	`Quetzi`	`now theres something to look forward to tomorrow :p`
`21:58.28`	`Kaelten`	`Goeb: once europe goes down we're going to have some real fun on the server...`
`21:58.43`	`ravagernl`	`hey people`
`21:58.46`	`Thorgard`	`Hmm.`
`21:58.49`	`Feldia`	`makes me glad I got my updating done!`
`21:59.01`	`kenlyric\|work`	`meh, all my mods work.`
`21:59.02`	`ravagernl`	`I have a question, how do I loop from 1 to 4?`
`21:59.04`	`Kaelten`	`glad I have my script to turn off php`
`21:59.12`	`Kaelten`	`for i=1,4 do end`
`21:59.18`	`kenlyric\|work`	`I'll update while everyone is trying to connect to tbc.`
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`21:59.23`	`Goeb`	`kaelten- so when are you gonna let us in on the master plan to mirror the heck outta *.wowace.com ?`
`21:59.24`	`Kaelten`	`with the work between do and end`
`21:59.33`	`Goeb`	`cuz I got me some gobs of bandwidth ;)`
`21:59.44`	`kenlyric\|work`	`I haven unlimited bandwidth.`
`21:59.48`	`kenlyric\|work`	`have`
`21:59.49`	`Kaelten`	`Goeb: probably after the server move`
`21:59.54`	`ravagernl`	`cool kaelten, and then how do I check if the iterator is even or uneven?`
`21:59.55`	`Goeb`	`cool`
`22:00.14`	`kenlyric\|work`	`though they'd notice if I had one machine go to #1 usage. But that probably wouldn't happen.`
`22:00.29`	`Eternally777`	`ravagernl: if math.fmod(i, 2) ~= 0 then`
`22:00.40`	`ravagernl`	`nice`
`22:00.40`	`Kaelten`	`there it is`
`22:00.49`	`Eternally777`	`That divides 'i' by 2 and returns the remainder.`
`22:00.51`	`wizbor_`	`so is the 13thfloor mirror current?`
`22:01.13`	`Goeb`	`well for what it's worth, I can do what I want, it's my bandwidth ;)`
`22:01.30`	`ravagernl`	`see i want to make backgrounds for party, party1 and party3 are on the left, and party2 and party4 are on the right`
`22:01.32`	`Goeb`	`kaetlen- do you have the total transfer numbers from the last patch?`
`22:01.37`	`Kaelten`	`we're going to a 10MB pipe later this month early febuary`
`22:01.42`	`Barbanus`	`blah, power went out`
`22:01.53`	`Kaelten`	`Goeb: ya it was nuts`
`22:01.55`	`kenlyric\|work`	`10mB?`
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`22:02.00`	`kenlyric\|work`	`oh seriousl, let me host it.`
`22:02.03`	`Kaelten`	`sor 10 mega bits`
`22:02.35`	`Goeb`	`I hope it's not too expensive`
`22:02.36`	`ravagernl`	`wowinterface had 8k visitors last patch, hihi`
`22:02.46`	`Kaelten`	`na, not to bad.`
`22:02.47`	`ravagernl`	`on patchday i mean`
`22:02.57`	`Kaelten`	`could be a lot worse`
`22:03.06`	`dafire`	`can someone tell me if there is some kind of event with the patch ? ;)`
`22:03.09`	`kenlyric\|work`	`seriously. We run internet2. We have the fat pipes.`
`22:03.19`	`Adirelle`	`er. remember me : who is BT's author ?`
`22:03.22`	`KarlThePagan`	`dafire, event started on US realms, similar to undead invasion`
`22:03.27`	`KarlThePagan`	`I don't know if there will be more or not`
`22:03.29`	`kenlyric\|work`	`I'd be more worried about physical server load than network throughput.`
`22:03.34`	`Kaelten`	`as long as people keep clicking the the ads we'll be able to afford it no problem :)`
`22:03.35`	`dafire`	`cool ...`
`22:03.39`	Funkeh`	`later`
`22:03.44`	`KarlThePagan`	`tabbard drop... maybe more`
`22:03.49`	`Kaelten`	`kenlyric\|work: hehe, well the server gets up to around 35 or so load and craps out.`
`22:03.51`	`kenlyric\|work`	`not a drop, a quest item.`
`22:03.58`	`KarlThePagan`	`I only played for 20 min to check that I could bump my tocs`
`22:04.00`	`dafire`	`any screenshots somewhere ? ;)`
`22:04.04`	`Goeb`	`kaelten- excellent`
`22:04.07`	`FatherJim`	`35 load?? Ouch`
`22:04.08`	`ravagernl`	`what ads? adblock plus :P`
`22:04.10`	`Goeb`	`re: ads`
`22:04.13`	`kenlyric\|work`	`Kaelten: well, I can't help with more powerful hardware, but network I got!`
`22:04.13`	`KarlThePagan`	`I'll beat my guildies into giving me em`
`22:04.18`	`Goeb`	`I haven't seen any ads... adblock`
`22:04.29`	`kenlyric\|work`	`what's a 35 load anyway? it's not a number I'm familiar with.`
`22:04.38`	`FatherJim`	`you realize that it's 35 processes waiting to run, or 35 times the CPU capacity at that point in time.`
`22:04.49`	`Kaelten`	`FatherJim: yep`
`22:04.59`	`Kaelten`	`thats why with the bandwith upgrade we're getting a new box as well`
`22:05.01`	`kenlyric\|work`	`and priest aoe is LOL at the dark portal. I tag, you kill, I finish quest :)`
`22:05.12`	`Goeb`	`kael- what's the specs on the system now?`
`22:05.14`	`sergio`	`i can't believe there's still not a blizzard ui feature to make res skeletons expire after a amount of time`
`22:05.29`	`Kaelten`	`AMD 64 4200+ X2 2GB ram`
`22:05.34`	`kenlyric\|work`	`how would you know where to stand for vael round 2 or 27?`
`22:05.35`	`Goeb`	`fair`
`22:05.38`	`ravagernl`	`I have a problem`
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`22:05.47`	`Kaelten`	`lot better than the AMD 64 2800+ we're on now`
`22:05.49`	`ravagernl`	`how can i do this?`
`22:05.55`	`ravagernl`	`-create the "partythingies"`
`22:05.56`	`ravagernl`	`for i=1,4 do`
`22:05.58`	`ravagernl`	`ShinyFrameParty..i = ShinyFrame:CreateTexture(nil,"BACKGROUND")`
`22:06.00`	`ravagernl`	`end`
`22:06.13`	`ravagernl`	`see the .. adds it but im not sure if its valid`
`22:06.23`	`Goeb`	`kae- I'd spend the little extra and get a 4800 or 5000... but still... should help some`
`22:06.24`	`Antiarc`	`It's not. Maybe you want an array?`
`22:06.31`	`Antiarc`	`textures = {}`
`22:06.36`	`dafire`	`anyone has a screenshot from the event ? come on guys ;)`
`22:06.38`	`Antiarc`	`tinsert(textures, ShinyFrame:Create... etc)`
`22:07.06`	`Goeb`	`kae- to be honest, the best solution would be to break it up as much as possible...`
`22:07.08`	`Feldia`	`anyone know if there's a way to skip this "fade in" effect on the login screen`
`22:07.09`	`kenlyric\|work`	`honestly though, if you had some sort of mirror system setup, I could probably help with it (though I'd be some work if I had to run it on a windows server.`
`22:07.36`	`Kaelten`	`Goeb: next upgrade after this would be to get a second server.`
`22:07.36`	`Antiarc`	`Kaelten: Considered adding another machine and load balancing?`
`22:07.37`	`sergio`	`does anyone know of a script command or something to make skeletons disappear faster or all together`
`22:07.40`	`Antiarc`	`Haha!`
`22:07.51`	`Kaelten`	`but we'll conquer that later :)`
`22:07.59`	`Kaelten`	`for that I'll need banners to pay for it. :P`
`22:08.01`	`Goeb`	`kae- I'm thinking more of a tier'd approach...`
`22:08.10`	`Kaelten`	`or an eccentric rich guy`
`22:08.21`	`Goeb`	`kae- where the files get served by mirrors from #wowace people`
`22:08.25`	`ravagernl`	`antiarc, can I get the textures with textures[i] then?`
`22:08.29`	`Antiarc`	`ravagernl: Yes`
`22:08.34`	`Antiarc`	`Kaelten: Under heavy load, where's most most the CPU going?`
`22:08.38`	`Kaelten`	`Goeb: that might work too.`
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`22:08.40`	`Kaelten`	`Antiarc: php`
`22:08.47`	`Kaelten`	`we're also working on getting squid proxying setup`
`22:08.49`	`Goeb`	`kae- that way you only pay for (and maintain) the core...`
`22:08.50`	`Antiarc`	`Tried out memcached?`
`22:08.52`	`Kaelten`	`but smf doesn't support it`
`22:08.56`	`Stavmar`	`Quetzi,I do have FuBar QuestsFu the problem is that when I want to read the entire quest or select a quest i get the default interface and the extended quest log addons seem to work very well, just wondering if there was an Ace option`
`22:08.58`	`Kaelten`	`Antiarc: no spare ram to stick it in yet`
`22:09.01`	`trh`	`the greatest idea would be a p2p distribution system with security added through signatures/public keys from a server`
`22:09.09`	`Kaelten`	`Antiarc: its on my list though`
`22:09.22`	`Antiarc`	`You don't have to have a huge RAM allocation for it - even a small allocation to cache stuff can make a huge difference`
`22:09.23`	`Goeb`	`kae- I already squid /files ;) you just need to provide the rest so the "public" can get to it.`
`22:09.38`	`Antiarc`	`I've been able to gain several orders of magnitidue worth of performance out of my rails apps with it.`
`22:09.41`	`Kaelten`	`Antiarc: true, we'll be looking at that more during the server migration.`
`22:09.44`	`kenlyric\|work`	`my desktop here can get 100mb/s I don't think they've upgraded to 1gb.`
`22:09.49`	`Antiarc`	`Good stuff. :)`
`22:09.52`	`Goeb`	`trh- that's really scary ;)`
`22:10.04`	`trh`	`Goeb: its GREAT :)`
`22:10.13`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`back in a bit, shutting down stuff to defrag and reboot.`
`22:10.14`	`Kaelten`	`well guys I gotta clean house :)`
`22:10.16`	`trh`	`but the coding that'd need to be done is scary :)`
`22:10.32`	`Kaelten`	`someone ping me if the server dies`
`22:10.45`	`Kaelten`	`I'm semi afk for a bit.`
`22:10.49`	`Tornhoof`	`trh why do you think a public key system should make p2p more secure?`
`22:11.42`	`trh`	`Tornhoof: if you got a trusted server that would sign the content and distribute it every client could ask for the public key of that server and could verify the signatures of the (p2p) downloaded content`
`22:11.55`	`Dekuna`	`every person in the goddamn world must be spam updating with WAU`
`22:11.58`	`CIA-17`	`03quetz * r24317 10FelwoodFarmer/FelwoodFarmer.toc: FelwoodFarmer: TOC update`
`22:12.06`	`Kaelten-Laptop`	`Dekuna: basically :P`
`22:12.08`	`CIA-17`	`03ag * r24318 10ag_UnitFrames/ (7 files in 3 dirs):`
`22:12.08`	`CIA-17`	`ag_UnitFrames`
`22:12.08`	`CIA-17`	`<PROTECTED>`
`22:12.21`	`Kaelten`	`we're over 700 connects`
`22:12.26`	`ravagernl`	omg ag`- rawr :D
`22:12.29`	`kenlyric\|work`	`seems more prudent to wait, since half the mods are still getting toc updates.`
`22:12.35`	`kenlyric\|work`	`and all the mods so far work just fine.`
`22:12.52`	`Tornhoof`	`trh, now why should that be more secure than having blz tell us a few different hashes of the file and use normal bittorrent?`
`22:13.00`	`Dekuna`	`i had some issues with GratuityLib`
`22:13.08`	`FatherJim`	`lol I'm still writing new feature code, thanks to Antiarc. :)`
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`22:13.29`	`trh`	`Tornhoof: its possibly to created faked files with same hashes (at least with some hashing methods)`
`22:13.40`	`Dekuna`	`may have been an old lib though, haven't tried reloading, too busy aoe spamming the dark portal`
`22:13.50`	`Antiarc`	`Faking hashes is stupidly hard to do with a decent hashing algorithm.`
`22:13.54`	`kenlyric\|work`	`is it priest aoe?`
`22:13.54`	`Dekuna`	`it's a freaking festival down there`
`22:13.57`	`Tornhoof`	`yes trh, that's why i said using a few different hashes ;)`
`22:13.59`	`kenlyric\|work`	`because that'sa lways funny.`
`22:14.07`	`Dekuna`	`mage, warlock, priest, druid, everything`
`22:14.14`	`Tornhoof`	`and it's very complicated`
`22:14.17`	`Tornhoof`	`if you have like 10 blocks`
`22:14.20`	`Antiarc`	`I'm going to be making friends with my local mage when I log in tonight.`
`22:14.22`	`Dekuna`	`warriors are cleaving, rogues are blade flurrying`
`22:14.26`	`Tornhoof`	`and each block is hashed`
`22:14.41`	`Dekuna`	`paladins are spamming their stupid consecration`
`22:14.44`	`trh`	`Tornhoof: ya then use hashing... the sign/key thing was only meant to make it secure from clients sending faked files :)`
`22:14.47`	`Tornhoof`	`that the combined block will result in the correct hash if you fuck up one block with the same hash though`
`22:14.53`	`trh`	`Tornhoof: should also work with good hashing`
`22:14.54`	`Tornhoof`	`trh`
`22:14.58`	`Tornhoof`	`it is not secure`
`22:15.05`	`Tornhoof`	`each block can be verified`
`22:15.10`	`Tornhoof`	`with a hash`
`22:15.18`	`Tornhoof`	`so the most you'll get wrong is one block`
`22:15.29`	`Tornhoof`	`if that block has a hash which is actually correct, but the block is not`
`22:15.37`	`Tornhoof`	`the hash of the full download will still fail`
`22:15.38`	`FatherJim`	`Ok, off to code. Catch you all later. :)`
`22:16.28`	`trh`	`Tornhoof: yes, but then the client could decide to not trust the other client and use a different one`
`22:16.35`	`Tornhoof`	`it already does`
`22:17.01`	`trh`	`Tornhoof: so why it isn't secure?`
`22:17.10`	`Tornhoof`	`most bt clients block ips where they received wrong blocks`
`22:17.19`	`Tornhoof`	`it has nothing to do with security`
`22:17.27`	`[dRaCo]`	`at least if they receive more than one`
`22:17.27`	`Tornhoof`	`only with data integrity`
`22:17.29`	`trh`	`right.. its safety =)`
`22:17.47`	`trh`	`in my mother language theres no differenz between the word for security and safety ;)`
`22:17.49`	`Tornhoof`	`afaik bt still uses sha-1`
`22:18.02`	`[dRaCo]`	`hey Tornhoof, can I talk you into adding dreamlayout? ;)`
`22:18.05`	`Tornhoof`	`which is partially broken, but not complete`
`22:18.09`	`Tornhoof`	`there is draco`
`22:18.11`	`Antiarc`	`It's not safety/security. It just ensures that the data isn't corrupted.`
`22:18.15`	`Tornhoof`	`go get the latest version`
`22:18.22`	`Antiarc`	`You can get uncorrupted malicious files over BT :)`
`22:18.24`	`[dRaCo]`	`yay!`
`22:18.26`	`[dRaCo]`	`great!`
`22:18.27`	`trh`	`Antiarc: its safety if the checksums come from a trusted server`
`22:18.33`	`trh`	`Antiarc: over a trusted connection`
`22:18.35`	`Dekuna`	`hmm`
`22:18.38`	`Dekuna`	[2007/01/09 16:18:00-123-x1]: Babble-Spell-2.2-2375423383 (FuBar_TopScoreFu):3720: unexpected symbol near '<eof>'<in C code>: in function `pcall'FuBar-2.0.22732\FuBar.lua:631: in function <Interface\AddOns\FuBar\FuBar.lua:627>FuBar-2.0.22732\FuBar.lua:912: in function `LoadPlugin'FuBar-2.0.22732\FuBar.lua:1026: in function <Interface\AddOns\FuBar\FuBar.lua:1016><in C code>: ?AceEvent-2.0-23383 (ag_UnitFrames):427: in function <...\AddOns\
`22:18.42`	`Antiarc`	`Doesn't that kinda defeat the purpose of P2P though?`
`22:18.45`	`trh`	`Antiarc: if the connection trustiness can be verified its even secure`
`22:18.45`	`Tornhoof`	`there is no trusted connection in p2p`
`22:18.47`	`trh`	`to be precise`
`22:18.51`	`Tornhoof`	`trusted hash yes`
`22:18.58`	`Tornhoof`	`but that's already in`
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`22:19.05`	`trh`	`Tornhoof: thats why we'd need a trusted server =)`
`22:19.12`	`Antiarc`	`But then you're back to client-server apps`
`22:19.15`	`trh`	`that could be the ace server`
`22:19.16`	`Antiarc`	`Rather than p2p apps.`
`22:19.24`	`Tornhoof`	`it is highly unlikely (as in 1/2^160) that you get a wrong/tampered wow update if blz provides the correct hash`
`22:19.31`	`Tornhoof`	`and your received hash is identical`
`22:19.54`	`Tornhoof`	`if they add more than one hash it's close to impossible`
`22:19.54`	`[dRaCo]`	`rev 24268?`
`22:19.56`	`trh`	`Antiarc: but for the server load its alot better if only a small textfile with hashes and a few other clients is downloaded`
`22:20.05`	`trh`	`Antiarc: instead of tons of files`
`22:20.09`	`Tornhoof`	`should be draco`
`22:20.18`	`Tornhoof`	`since yesterday`
`22:20.39`	`Antiarc`	`trh: I could be wrong, but doesn't a torrent tracker provide file hashes?`
`22:20.48`	`[dRaCo]`	`if the zip script didnt screw up big time, yeah ;)`
`22:20.48`	`Tornhoof`	`the torrent file provides them`
`22:20.53`	`Barbanus`	`Antiarc, yep, it does`
`22:20.58`	`trh`	`Antiarc: yep`
`22:21.05`	`Antiarc`	`So if you trust the torrent tracker (wowace in your example), the results of the torrent can be trusted anyway, yes?`
`22:21.06`	`Thorgard`	`Hmm, the FuBar title for Prat right now is "Prat2.0 - Replacing"`
`22:21.27`	`Tornhoof`	`there is still some bug in the style stuff, sometimes when you die and rezone (aka reentering the instance) the layout is kinda reset, dunno why`
`22:21.29`	`trh`	`Antiarc: mostly, but you'd still need a comfortable application using bt and using the ace server as a tracker`
`22:21.43`	`Antiarc`	`Sure, but there's no need for a public key system to ensure data integrity.`
`22:21.50`	`Tornhoof`	`antiarc, even if the tracker is not trusted`
`22:21.55`	`Tornhoof`	`the file can still be trusted`
`22:21.56`	`[dRaCo]`	`anything you want me to test?`
`22:22.02`	`[dRaCo]`	`or log or whatever?`
`22:22.04`	`Antiarc`	`That makes the point even stronger :)`
`22:22.06`	`Tornhoof`	`if the hash fo the file is already from a trusted source`
`22:22.13`	`Tornhoof`	`draco, should work i think`
`22:22.16`	`Tornhoof`	`atleast it does here`
`22:22.30`	`trh`	`yes.. but the signing would help with server side manipulations if the signing would be on a different server`
`22:22.36`	`Tornhoof`	`no`
`22:22.41`	`Tornhoof`	`it wouldn'T`
`22:22.41`	`trh`	`but without that hashing would be sufficient`
`22:22.43`	`[dRaCo]`	`great`
`22:22.54`	`[dRaCo]`	`I'll keep an eye open for bugs ;)`
`22:23.02`	`Tornhoof`	`since if you're capable of server side manipulation`
`22:23.16`	`Tornhoof`	`or rather manipulation of the system which creates the torrent`
`22:23.24`	`Tornhoof`	`you'll have access to the private key anyway`
`22:24.03`	`trh`	`Tornhoof: sure, but if signing and publishing the signed files are different systems you'd have to get into both of them`
`22:24.06`	`ravagernl`	`antiarc, do you think I should be doing something like this: http://ace.pastey.net/4817`
`22:24.16`	`Tornhoof`	`that won't do you any help`
`22:24.32`	`trh`	`Tornhoof: sure, if the public key is integrated in the client`
`22:24.33`	`Tornhoof`	`except that you might download stuff, and it has an incorrect hash`
`22:24.44`	`Tornhoof`	`the only weakness is the client anyway`
`22:24.53`	`Antiarc`	`That looks like you're on the right track, ravagernl`
`22:24.56`	`Tornhoof`	`the client usually has an direct portmapping to the internet`
`22:25.10`	`Tornhoof`	`whcih can be abused if the client is badly written`
`22:25.23`	`ravagernl`	`you want to see the whole code and tell me if I need to change anything?`
`22:25.30`	`trh`	`Tornhoof: if the client checks the signature of the downloaded file against a trusted key its secure`
`22:25.34`	`Antiarc`	`Heh, don't think I have time at the moment :)`
`22:25.40`	`Antiarc`	`Drop it in WoW and see if it works! :)`
`22:25.43`	`trh`	`as long as the signing process isn't compromised`
`22:26.06`	`Antiarc`	`trh: If you got the .torrent from a trusted source, then the signature is implicitly trusted.`
`22:26.17`	`Antiarc`	`So you don't have to re-check it`
`22:26.48`	`trh`	`Antiarc: its only a checksum, but yes`
`22:26.55`	`Tornhoof`	`trh`
`22:27.00`	`Tornhoof`	`not a checksum`
`22:27.03`	`Tornhoof`	`a hash`
`22:27.11`	`trh`	`its the same (more or less)`
`22:27.12`	`Tornhoof`	`hash != checksum`
`22:27.14`	`Stavmar`	`is the WAU a little slow due to heavy traffic?`
`22:27.17`	`Tornhoof`	`no not even remotely`
`22:27.20`	`Antiarc`	`Yes, Stavmar`
`22:27.34`	`trh`	`usually a checksum is only alot simpler`
`22:27.46`	`Antiarc`	`Checksums are a lot easier to fake. A LOT easier.`
`22:27.46`	`Tornhoof`	`and serves a different purpose`
`22:27.47`	`ravagernl`	`its not that large antiarc, just 47 lines, tell me what you think http://ace.pastey.net/4818 :)`
`22:27.53`	`trh`	`but both are injective functions`
`22:27.58`	`Tornhoof`	`no`
`22:28.05`	`Tornhoof`	`hash yes`
`22:28.10`	`Tornhoof`	`checksum not necessarily`
`22:28.20`	`trh`	`a checksum is injective function too`
`22:28.31`	`Tornhoof`	`the checksum's purpose is usually identifying individual errors in the input`
`22:28.43`	`trh`	`right, but it is still a injective function`
`22:28.45`	`Tornhoof`	`the hash just says good/bd`
`22:28.47`	`Tornhoof`	`bad`
`22:28.49`	`Antiarc`	`ravagernl: I'm no human compiler, but that seems like it should work ok.`
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`22:28.58`	`trh`	`only (usually) a alot simpler function than a hashing function`
`22:29.09`	`Tornhoof`	`depends on the checksum and the data, but generically speaking yes`
`22:29.19`	`Tornhoof`	`a proper checksum`
`22:29.24`	`Tornhoof`	`is way more complicated`
`22:29.27`	`Tornhoof`	`than some hash`
`22:29.38`	`Antiarc`	`A checksum verifies that data hasn't been corrupted unintentionally. A cryptographic hash verifies that data hasn't been corrupted intentionally.`
`22:29.40`	`Tornhoof`	`i don't mean crc-32 or similar`
`22:29.43`	`Antiarc`	`Which is the difference, generally.`
`22:29.54`	`Tornhoof`	`yes`
`22:30.18`	`Tornhoof`	`and for that the checksum has the ability to identify the unintentional transfer errors`
`22:30.20`	`trh`	`Antiarc: sure, but its basically still the same - a function making a set of alot bits to a set of less bits`
`22:30.28`	`Tornhoof`	`e.g. which bit is flipped`
`22:30.30`	`Tornhoof`	`no trh`
`22:30.51`	`Tornhoof`	`i know of checksum which are partially even longer than the input`
`22:31.00`	`Tornhoof`	`depends on the input though`
`22:31.36`	`ravagernl`	`I was wondering, are there any editors available that have function completion specially for wow?`
`22:31.44`	`trh`	`Tornhoof: thats something you can have with a hash too :)`
`22:31.51`	`Tornhoof`	`yes`
`22:31.55`	`Antiarc`	`UltraEdit can do it with the right wordlist, ravagernl`
`22:32.06`	`trh`	`sure a checksums purpose is usually different from a hash`
`22:32.11`	`ravagernl`	`ill check that out`
`22:32.15`	`Tornhoof`	`the idea of a checksum is still error recognition and error correction`
`22:32.33`	`trh`	`Tornhoof: ya.. thats right :)`
`22:32.46`	`Tornhoof`	`sure mostly it's used for the same purpose`
`22:32.48`	`ravagernl`	`I currently use Notepad++`
`22:32.54`	`Tornhoof`	`but where a hash can be trusted usually`
`22:33.00`	`Tornhoof`	`a mere checksum can't be trusted`
`22:33.09`	`Antiarc`	`You can use a hash as a checksum (and many people often do), but you can't really use a checksum as a hash. Checksums aren't trusted against attack; hashes are, provided a reasonable hash algorithm.`
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`22:33.33`	`Tornhoof`	`yeh`
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`22:34.32`	`Tular`	`how is everyone?`
`22:35.22`	`trh`	`notepad++ is nice :) - but for xml files (to check syntax) the xml notepad 2007 is alot better :)`
`22:35.38`	`Tornhoof`	`using ultraedit for years`
`22:35.59`	`CIA-17`	`03ag * r24321 10ag_UnitFrames/ag_UnitClass.lua:`
`22:35.59`	`CIA-17`	`ag_UnitFrames`
`22:35.59`	`CIA-17`	`<PROTECTED>`
`22:36.19`	`trh`	`ultraedit pissed me off for some stupid behaviour years ago.. can't remember what it exactly was, but since then i never used it anymore :)`
`22:36.33`	`odt`	`< context`
`22:37.19`	`CIA-17`	`03ominous * r24322 10FuBar_RogueTimerFu/ (Bars/Buffs.lua Bars.lua Core.lua FuBar_RogueTimerFu.toc):`
`22:37.19`	`CIA-17`	`FuBar_RogueTimerFu:`
`22:37.19`	`CIA-17`	`-Added Vanish and Ghostly Strike`
`22:37.19`	`CIA-17`	`-Updated toc`
`22:37.20`	`Saroz`	`Castbar?`
`22:37.45`	`ravagernl`	`too bad you need to buy ultraedit`
`22:38.03`	`vhaarr`	`vi is free.`
`22:38.29`	`trh`	`vhaarr: but the user ui and shortcuts are even before stoneage ;)`
`22:38.46`	`Antiarc`	`vi is a great editor, but I'm just too lazy to learn to really use it.`
`22:38.52`	`Saroz`	`vim`
`22:38.54`	`vhaarr`	`trh: Yeah, but it works fine, and once you learn it, it's faster anyway.`
`22:38.55`	`Antiarc`	`So I stick with UE.`
`22:39.05`	`vhaarr`	`vi/vim/gvim/cream, whatever.`
`22:39.26`	`vhaarr`	ag`_: there's no texture on the cast bar?
`22:39.42`	`Stinkfot`	`is there any way to find out what addon is causing those blocked stuff and such giving a lot of other addons errors?`
`22:39.42`	ag`_	`vhaarr: hm yes there is`
`22:39.50`	`CIA-17`	`03ominous * r24323 10FuBar_WarlockTimerFu/ (Core.lua FuBar_WarlockTimerFu.toc): FuBar_WarlockTimerFu: Toc update`
`22:39.53`	`trh`	`vhaarr: probably, but i guess the difference to notepad++ or any other good editor isnt that big`
`22:39.57`	ag`_	`vhaarr: I set it the same place as I set it for any other bar`
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`22:40.06`	`ravagernl`	`antiarc: I run windows, not unix :P`
`22:40.07`	`vhaarr`	ag`_: It just shows the spell name and casting time here.
`22:40.16`	`Antiarc`	`You can run vim on Windows.`
`22:40.25`	`trh`	`but you don't want to :P`
`22:40.25`	`Antiarc`	`My co-worker 5 feet away is :P`
`22:40.26`	`vhaarr`	`ravagernl: cream.sourceforge.net`
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`22:40.48`	`trh`	`co-worker.. lol@timezone ;)`
`22:41.18`	`groll`	`anyone got an answer? :P`
`22:41.58`	`Antiarc`	`groll: What's the question?`
`22:42.04`	`groll`	`is there any way to find out what addon is causing those blocked stuff and such giving a lot of other addons errors?`
`22:42.11`	`Tular`	`i hate patch day, too many mods!`
`22:42.36`	`groll`	`i get 100 errors from time to time from like every addon i have, but i need to find out what is causing it, it's one of those blocked stuff that get's called i guess`
`22:42.44`	`groll`	`so any way to find out what addon it is :P`
`22:42.49`	`groll`	`in a simple way that is`
`22:43.45`	`Antiarc`	`Install BugGrabber and BugSack and look at the stack trace for an error`
`22:43.51`	`Antiarc`	`The bottom of the stack is usually the culprit.`
`22:43.52`	`groll`	`hmm i got those`
`22:43.57`	`ravagernl`	`wow, cream looks really nice 350 0_0 languages supported for syntax highlighting`
`22:43.59`	`trh`	`you could also try to search in all files for "forbidden" functions`
`22:44.09`	`groll`	`Antiarc but what u mean by stack tree?`
`22:44.28`	`groll`	`ie press the last button and see which is at the end?`
`22:44.29`	`trh`	`a stack trace is a trace of the last functions called before the error`
`22:44.49`	`Antiarc`	`Functions are called in sequence. For example, function A calls function B calls function C.`
`22:45.00`	`groll`	`k got that`
`22:45.18`	`Antiarc`	`You'll see function C in the error, but if you look at the trace, then A will be at the bottom of the stack trace, and will be where the error originated.`
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`22:45.31`	`groll`	`hmm`
`22:45.35`	`groll`	`sec brb`
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`22:47.13`	`groll`	`Antiarc http://ace.pastey.net/4819`
`22:47.20`	`groll`	`would that be enough? i guess not :P`
`22:48.04`	`Antiarc`	`Well, that's pretty simple. EQL3 is trying to call a protected method by invoking SetLeftFrame()`
`22:48.44`	`groll`	`well it has never given an error before and no update since i gotten it`
`22:48.45`	ag`_	`but calling protected functions... It doesn't give errors, and it doesn't halt the execution`
`22:48.46`	`Antiarc`	`Since it's being called from EQL3, that's an insecure code path, and it ends up trying to invoke protected code. That looks like it might be a Blizzard booboo, actually, though I'm not positive.`
`22:48.49`	`ravagernl`	`AddOn 'EQL3' tried to call the protected function 'FriendsFrame:Show()`
`22:48.53`	`groll`	`worked flawlessly all tht etime`
`22:48.55`	`ravagernl`	`:)`
`22:49.09`	`Ominous`	`what does voice catigory on irc actually mean`
`22:49.23`	`Antiarc`	`You can moderate the channel and only people with voice can talk.`
`22:49.35`	`Antiarc`	`As stands right now, it's just a status tag.`
`22:49.43`	`Ominous`	`ah k`
`22:49.48`	`groll`	`and i got like 100 errors and all of them are from different addons`
`22:49.59`	`trh`	`in my other channels it's used to flag idiots ;)`
`22:50.08`	`trh`	`but i guess that depends on the channel ;)`
`22:50.23`	`vhaarr`	`Not really, no.`
`22:50.29`	`vhaarr`	`your channel must be the only one that does that.`
`22:50.35`	`groll`	`http://ace.pastey.net/4821 that's the second one out of 100 :P`
`22:50.41`	`kergoth`	`indeed, i've never heard of using voice in that way`
`22:50.50`	`kenlyric\|home`	`vhaarr: no, that's pretty common for a channelt hat's not moderated.`
`22:50.53`	`trh`	`vhaarr: well.. its on ircnet, i guess its more common there`
`22:51.07`	`kenlyric\|home`	`Basically +v says you will be kicked soon, unless you shut up, without having to say that out loud :)`
`22:51.08`	`vhaarr`	`kenlyric\|home: I've never seen that before, and I've been on IRC for a long time.`
`22:51.29`	`Codayus`	`I'm with vhaarr on this one.`
`22:51.35`	`vhaarr`	`I bet kergoth is an old time IRC user as well.`
`22:51.40`	`kergoth`	`me neither. course i've only been on irc for 11 years or so`
`22:51.40`	`kenlyric\|home`	`I seem to remember #politics on undernet doing that. They never moderated, and you didn't want to get +v ;)`
`22:51.44`	`vhaarr`	`right`
`22:51.45`	`dafire`	`some bots use it for access rights to get some privileges to kick ,9`
`22:51.50`	`bigzero`	`if the channel is moderated you cannot talk without +v`
`22:51.53`	`trh`	`i'm on irc too since many years =)`
`22:52.06`	`bigzero`	`so if you flag idiots wth +v that's pretty stupid`
`22:52.10`	`vhaarr`	`You're all insane, +v was never meant to be used that way.`
`22:52.12`	`Codayus`	`I usually see voice used as a form of "semi-op". For example, you might let voices set the topic and kick unvoiced people.`
`22:52.18`	`trh`	`bigzero: in a non-moderated channel?`
`22:52.18`	`Antiarc`	`+v has always been a "this person is worth listening to but isn't an op" to me.`
`22:52.27`	`vhaarr`	`Antiarc: And that's what it is.`
`22:52.30`	`trh`	`bigzero: it doesnt matter there`
`22:52.32`	`bigzero`	`in a nonmoderated channel it doesn't mean anything`
`22:52.36`	`kenlyric\|home`	`bigzero: it has no meaning in an unmoderated channel. So you can let it do what you want.`
`22:52.38`	`bigzero`	`just makes idiots feel better`
`22:52.44`	`trh`	`bigzero: ya.. thats why its used there for that`
`22:52.51`	`kenlyric\|home`	`bigzero: for about 10 seconds :)`
`22:52.52`	`dafire`	`well.. nick change was never ment to show if someone is gone .. but it's used that way ;)`
`22:52.57`	`kenlyric\|home`	`then they kbd :)`
`22:53.04`	`vhaarr`	`kenlyric\|home: If the channel is unmoderated, then who the hell kicks the idiots?`
`22:53.07`	`trh`	`bigzero: basically to show the other users to not communicate with them or take their statements not too serious`
`22:53.12`	`vhaarr`	`kenlyric\|home: Who decides who gets "+v" ?`
`22:53.12`	`kenlyric\|home`	`vhaar, the channel operators.`
`22:53.17`	`vhaarr`	`So it IS moderated.`
`22:53.22`	`kenlyric\|home`	`unmoderated meaning not +m`
`22:53.26`	`vhaarr`	`heh`
`22:53.30`	`kenlyric\|home`	`no, it's an opped channel.`
`22:53.36`	`Codayus`	`Occasionally when a dev has an interview on IRC I've seen voice used "properly", so only voiced people can talk on a moderated channel. But mostly, yeah, I just see it used as a lower level of op.`
`22:54.01`	`bigzero`	`but even in an unmoderated channel +v is sorta vetter than -v...since a moderator can be like, "omfg i want everyone to shut up i have an announcement" turns on moderating`
`22:54.10`	`bigzero`	`s/vetter/better`
`22:54.20`	`Antiarc`	`Well, sure`
`22:54.20`	`trh`	`no, moderators can't set +m`
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`22:54.29`	`Antiarc`	`I think he meant op`
`22:54.36`	`bigzero`	`that's what i meant`
`22:54.56`	`trh`	`ya.. but usually they don't, or they first devoice then`
`22:55.00`	`ravagernl`	`hmm, antiarc, any plugins or something for vim so I can get syntax highlighting or functioncompletion?`
`22:55.15`	`Antiarc`	`ravagernl: I'm sure there are, but I'm the wrong one to ask.`
`22:55.15`	`vhaarr`	`ravagernl: I gave you the link?`
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`22:55.41`	`ravagernl`	`haste, do you know?`
`22:55.56`	`kergoth`	`ravagernl: uh, vim already has lua syntax highlighting, shipped with it.`
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`22:56.01`	`vhaarr`	`hah, someone hates me.`
`22:56.07`	`kenlyric\|home`	`this fade-in login screen makes me think I have a keylogger.`
`22:56.13`	`ravagernl`	`I know kergoth, but not wow specific functions`
`22:56.29`	`vhaarr`	`kenlyric\|home: I think ui.worldofwar.net installs a keylogger if you run IE.`
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`22:56.32`	`kergoth`	`then say that.`
`22:56.34`	`ravagernl`	`? i do not hate you :P`
`22:56.45`	`kenlyric\|home`	`vhaarr: I was joking :) But still is strange.`
`22:56.54`	`kenlyric\|home`	`Everyone else is getting it too... it's just odd.`
`22:56.59`	`kenlyric\|home`	`and, IE... yuck.`
`22:57.09`	`vhaarr`	`some retards use it.`
`22:57.15`	`vhaarr`	`never know who you meet on IRC.`
`22:57.29`	`Stephmw`	`kenlyric\|home: I remember reading on the forums about one of their advertisers having a dodgy activex banner ad`
`22:57.39`	`kergoth`	`i dont know of a vim syntax file for wow specific functions. itd be easy to add.. could even write a lua script to parse the wow framexml and emit the .vim for that part of it`
`22:57.56`	`kergoth`	`for completion, vim already has it. just depends on what extent you're looking for`
`22:58.06`	`Antiarc`	`Did anyone else try out Bartender3_AutoBindings?`
`22:58.08`	`kergoth`	`theres no omnicompletion plugin for lua, but word completion or syntax completion work fine`
`22:58.34`	`Stephmw`	`kergoth: did anything ever come of that Eclipse-based lua editor?`
`22:58.35`	`[_Trimble_]`	`:( new patch, new pains.. errors every time i log in`
`22:59.06`	`kergoth`	`i'm not sure, actually. never been much of an eclipse fan`
`22:59.40`	`Klazar`	`well i cant even get my ace updates so dont feel leftout`
`22:59.40`	`kergoth`	`i saw someone posted in #lua the other day a new modeless console editor that has lua scripting for its configuration, which is cool`
`23:00.00`	`Codayus`	`There's a decent Eclipse based lua editor floating around, but...`
`23:00.01`	`Codayus`	`eh.`
`23:00.15`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Klazar: if you're using one of the Ace updaters, just uncheck Cartographer and the rest'll move along ok.`
`23:00.16`	`Stephmw`	`http://blua.sourceforge.net/ is what I was thinking of...`
`23:00.19`	`Codayus`	`I've never seen the point of using Eclipse over emacs for anything.`
`23:00.22`	`Codayus`	`:-)`
`23:00.22`	`Stephmw`	`"fragile and Alpha..."`
`23:00.37`	`Codayus`	`And the lua plugin for eclipse is a bit dodgy anyhow.`
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`23:01.09`	`Codayus`	`Yeah, blua was abandoned long ago IIRC.`
`23:01.38`	`Klazar`	`ZealotOnAStick: Ill see if that works but im not even getting an update of the file listing`
`23:01.59`	`JoshBorke`	`use vim!`
`23:02.39`	`Stephmw`	`JoshBorke: I've gotten spoilt in other languages by refactoring, show call hierarchy, etc, etc`
`23:03.07`	`JoshBorke`	`:-P`
`23:04.03`	`kergoth`	`vim and emacs have plugins for navigation by tags and hierarchy type stuff, though its not that fantastic`
`23:04.08`	`ravagernl`	`baaah wowwiki is down`
`23:04.13`	`kergoth`	`usually have to use a seperate tool to make sense of a new large codebase i'm not familiar with`
`23:04.15`	`JoshBorke`	`use google to find a cached page`
`23:04.37`	`Stephmw`	`haha`
`23:04.47`	`Klazar`	`use vi`
`23:04.55`	`Stephmw`	`it'd be hillarious if I found my work code on google code search`
`23:04.56`	`ravagernl`	`joshborke: do you happen to know any plugins or addons for vim/cream for wow related lua function highlighting`
`23:05.07`	`Laric`	`hmm the forum server just die?`
`23:05.09`	`Codayus`	`ECB for emacs is pretty damn awesome, actually.`
`23:05.20`	`Codayus`	`For what it does.`
`23:05.37`	`Codayus`	`<shrug>`
`23:05.44`	`JoshBorke`	`no`
`23:07.47`	`CIA-17`	`03nargiddley * r24326 10Baggins/ (Baggins.lua Baggins.toc):`
`23:07.47`	`CIA-17`	`Baggins:`
`23:07.47`	`CIA-17`	`- add AceHook-2.1 to toc and externals`
`23:07.47`	`CIA-17`	`- tweak the auto layout to help prevent bags overlapping when growing`
`23:07.47`	`CIA-17`	`- Indicate which bags are open in the tooltip`
`23:08.50`	`vhaarr`	ag`_: Why is the frame layout a text entry now?
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`23:10.07`	ag`_	`vhaarr: bug maybe`
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`23:11.53`	`kenlyric\|home`	`there's a strange bug with default UF... targets are disappearing oddly during combat.`
`23:12.02`	`Thorgard`	`Hmm.. any good self-populating bars tracking potions/consumables?`
`23:12.08`	`kergoth`	`Thorgard: autobar`
`23:12.13`	`kenlyric\|home`	`so, possibly other bugs affecting other things.`
`23:13.17`	`Antiarc`	`kenlyric\|work: I saw someone else report that; they said that disabling CTMod fixed it, which tells me that there's something funny going on that's doing that in general.`
`23:15.31`	`vhaarr`	`CTMod hooks a bunch of stuff, I heard.`
`23:15.43`	`vhaarr`	`tainting like it's 2000`
`23:15.45`	`Antiarc`	`http://www.wowtcgdb.com/images/medium/pugg.jpg may be the best thing ever.`
`23:17.07`	`ravagernl`	`ctmod plain sucks :P`
`23:17.24`	`vhaarr`	`s/2000/2006/`
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`23:18.36`	`CIA-17`	`03rabbit * r24327 10!BugGrabber/BugGrabber.lua:`
`23:18.36`	`CIA-17`	`!BugGrabber:`
`23:18.36`	`CIA-17`	`<PROTECTED>`
`23:18.36`	`CIA-17`	`<PROTECTED>`
`23:19.39`	`ravagernl`	`I guess I found what I need`
`23:19.53`	`ravagernl`	`ultraedit32, capnbry has a lua plugin for that`
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`23:21.55`	`kergoth`	`vim supports lua too`
`23:21.58`	`kergoth`	`if you mean wow, say wow.`
`23:22.03`	`kergoth`	`lua is used in a lot more projects than just wow`
`23:22.39`	`kergoth`	`in addition to numerous games, its used in adobe products, the monotone scm tool, a number of embedded devices, etc`
`23:22.41`	ag`_	`fixed now vhaarr`
`23:22.42`	`CIA-17`	`03ag * r24329 10ag_UnitFrames/ag_Options.lua:`
`23:22.42`	`CIA-17`	`ag_UnitFrames`
`23:22.42`	`CIA-17`	`<PROTECTED>`
`23:22.49`	`vhaarr`	ag`_: ah, nice
`23:23.06`	`vhaarr`	ag`_: I still don't get any actual casting bar, though.
`23:23.34`	`vhaarr`	`hm`
`23:23.36`	`vhaarr`	ag`_: hang on
`23:23.39`	ag`_	`vhaarr: something strange must be going on for you, cause it works here`
`23:23.43`	`vhaarr`	`yes`
`23:24.08`	`ravagernl`	`kergoth: i was searching for an editor with wow function highlighting`
`23:24.30`	`vhaarr`	ag`_: No, still nothing.
`23:24.30`	`kergoth`	`ravagernl: yes, i know. so dont say you're looking for a lua plugin. lua does not imply wow, wow implies lua.`
`23:24.40`	`vhaarr`	ag`_: Does the implementation rely on the standard WoW casting bar being available?
`23:24.44`	ag`_	`vhaarr: no`
`23:25.02`	ag`_	`It's working really great for me here, but I am running on default values and with no other addons`
`23:25.38`	ag`_	`you should try backing up your SVs`
`23:25.38`	`ravagernl`	`ok, so ultraedit has a wow related plugin for the lua language then :P`
`23:26.38`	`kergoth`	`right, thats all i'm saying. if you mean its a wow plugin, then say its a wow plugin. anything else is ambiguous :)`
`23:26.49`	`vhaarr`	ag`_: Yeah, works when I deleted my SVs.
`23:27.31`	`ravagernl`	`kergoth: ultraedit does not support syntax highlighting for lua by default, so I used the words "lua plugin"`
`23:27.47`	`ravagernl`	`but you're right, I know lua is used for other things too`
`23:28.26`	`kergoth`	`the thing with syntax highlighting is, how far do you go? theres a range, just highlighting the language vs highlighting the language and library apis, and if you delve into libraries, then -which- libraries do you highlight?`
`23:28.44`	ag`_	`vhaarr: maybe I should just force a SV reset on everyone now.`
`23:28.59`	ag`_	`I don't know why though`
`23:29.01`	`vhaarr`	ag`_: Or just support upgrading.
`23:29.05`	ag`_	`well`
`23:29.09`	`kergoth`	`as an example, the vim C syntax highlighting plugin highlights the language only, not the C library, whereas the vim lua plugin highlights the language and the built in liblua stuff (table., string., etc)`
`23:29.15`	ag`_	`it's not like I actually did anything to the SVs`
`23:29.18`	`kergoth`	`annoyingly inconsistent, but what can ya do`
`23:29.20`	ag`_	`I added a new options`
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`23:29.28`	ag`_	`I didn't change how stuff works`
`23:30.28`	`EyeOfHell`	`Hello. Another stupid question for a kind hearted guru: what's the difference and mine concept of 'this' and 'self'? I think i have understood the 'this' (':' declaration and call) but what is 'self' ?`
`23:31.09`	`ravagernl`	`this refers to frame, self refers to an object`
`23:31.09`	`Nargiddley`	`self is what you get passed when you do a call like Foo:Bar()`
`23:31.18`	`Nargiddley`	`in that case self = Foo`
`23:31.23`	`kergoth`	`no, : is self. this is a shitty thing blizzard did, a global variable set to the frame in question`
`23:31.33`	`kergoth`	`s/this/'this'/`
`23:31.57`	`EyeOfHell`	`ah, yes, just misplaced ;)`
`23:32.14`	`EyeOfHell`	`what is a 'frame in question' ?`
`23:32.25`	`kergoth`	`for scripts or event handlers, the frame they're attached to`
`23:32.31`	`kergoth`	`just never use this, you'll be happier`
`23:32.45`	`kergoth`	`as of 2.0, blizz passes self to scripts and such, so theres just no point`
`23:32.49`	`kergoth`	`locals > globals`
`23:32.50`	`kergoth`	`:)`
`23:33.19`	`ZealotOnAStick`	ag`_, in the layouts, what does "ResizeBars" do precisely?
`23:33.56`	`EyeOfHell`	`kergoth - thanks a lot!`
`23:34.25`	`kergoth`	`~wowthis is the devil.`
`23:34.28`	`purl`	`kergoth: okay`
`23:34.53`	`EyeOfHell`	`kergoth: why? isn't it handy to have a reference to a frame callback is called for ?`
`23:35.10`	`Makk`	`what's the name of the framerate thing?`
`23:35.25`	`kergoth`	`once again,as of 2.0 the frame is passed as the first argument to the script, so you have it anyway, in the form of what people normally call self`
`23:35.35`	`kergoth`	`dont touch the global 'this' with a 10 foot pole, its unnecessary`
`23:35.51`	ag`_	`ZealotOnAStick: It makes healthbar, manabar shorter, so the manatext and healthtext isn't on top of the bar`
`23:36.39`	ag`_	`ZealotOnAStick: current layouts that uses it: Classic, Compact, oUF`
`23:36.48`	`kergoth`	`quoted from the wowwiki 2.0 consolidated changes page: "Frame handlers now are passed parameters in addition to setting the global variables when executed. Accessing these parameters locally is faster than accessing the globals, and is recommended."`
`23:37.09`	`EyeOfHell`	`kergoth - yep, gotcha. Thanks again.`
`23:37.10`	`kergoth`	`meh, bored. stuck at work waiting for a pair of couple hour compiles before i can do anything else`
`23:37.22`	ag`_	`kergoth: they're passed to the OnEvent thingies?`
`23:37.25`	`Thorgard`	`ZealotOnAStick, think most of the stuff 'known' is explained on the wiki page: http://www.wowace.com/wiki/Ag_UnitFrame_Themes`
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`23:38.16`	`kergoth`	ag`_: no more 'arg1' crap... OnEvent: function(self,event,...) .. OnClick: function(self,button,down)
`23:38.19`	`kergoth`	`if that was the qeustion`
`23:38.29`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Thorgard: I'm getting intermittent timeouts on the wiki, as well as the forums.`
`23:39.00`	`Thorgard`	`ZealotOnAStick, same. I was making use of the Googled cache earlier. ;P`
`23:39.02`	`cynyr`	`Antiarc: ping`
`23:39.06`	`Antiarc`	`Pong.`
`23:39.18`	`cynyr`	`Antiarc: you wrote hemlock didn't you?`
`23:39.20`	`Antiarc`	`Yup`
`23:39.45`	`CIA-17`	`03rabbit * r24330 10!SurfaceControl/SurfaceControl.lua: !SurfaceControl: Support CBRipoff.`
`23:39.52`	`kergoth`	`surfacecontrol?`
`23:40.11`	`cynyr`	`i'm getting "Hemlock.lua:319: attemp to concatenate field '?' (a nil value)" and i was getting it before the patch.`
`23:40.19`	`vhaarr`	`## Notes: Forces SurfaceLib to return your own texture for all Fetch calls.`
`23:40.20`	`Antiarc`	`Hm, ok.`
`23:40.26`	`Antiarc`	`I'll file it and look into it.`
`23:40.42`	`kergoth`	`vhaarr: ah, nifty`
`23:40.56`	`cynyr`	`also it does that at any vendor`
`23:41.03`	`vhaarr`	`kergoth: I just got tired of configuring it for the "texture of the week" all the time :P`
`23:41.06`	`kergoth`	`hehe`
`23:41.12`	`Antiarc`	`Odd.`
`23:41.14`	`kergoth`	`i've taken to NotSteel lately`
`23:41.20`	`sergio`	ag`_: not sure if this was mentioned since I haven't been reading the channel but when you're mounted and you hit a spell the bar lights up with Failed. It's sorta unnecessary
`23:41.32`	`vhaarr`	`I don't think I've seen NotSteel.`
`23:41.34`	`*** join/#wowace Kadish (n=Kadish@anubis.student.CWRU.Edu)`
`23:41.39`	`*** join/#wowace Roguebait (n=daer@brndmb02dc1-215-172.dynamic.mts.net)`
`23:41.44`	`Antiarc`	`cynyr: Which locale?`
`23:41.50`	`cynyr`	`Antiarc: yea.. it was working for a little bit and it was very nice.`
`23:41.55`	`Tular`	`are there any current known issue with the ace2 mods?`
`23:41.55`	`cynyr`	`Antiarc: enEN`
`23:42.00`	`cynyr`	`i think..`
`23:42.02`	`vhaarr`	`kergoth: Is it in Surfaces?`
`23:42.04`	`Antiarc`	`enUS?`
`23:42.05`	`Tular`	`anything to worry about`
`23:42.05`	`Antiarc`	`or enGB?`
`23:42.09`	`vhaarr`	`Tular: No.`
`23:42.11`	`cynyr`	`Antiarc: enUS`
`23:42.15`	`Antiarc`	`Ok.`
`23:42.17`	`Antiarc`	`Hm.`
`23:42.36`	`Antiarc`	`Looks like it's not detecting some poisons.`
`23:42.38`	`Antiarc`	`Should be an easy fix.`
`23:42.43`	ag`_	`sergio: yeah I see it now`
`23:42.45`	`Antiarc`	`I can at least make it not error.`
`23:43.06`	`Tular`	`Seems like ChatMOD has issues`
`23:43.18`	`Tular`	`but thats note ACE2'ed`
`23:43.39`	`Tular`	`*not`
`23:44.07`	`cynyr`	`Antiarc: it's probably my favorite poison buy/make mod i've used :)`
`23:44.16`	`Antiarc`	`Heh, I'm glad you like it :D`
`23:44.21`	`Antiarc`	`I got sick of all the super-complex ones.`
`23:44.33`	`CIA-17`	`03antiarc * r24331 10Hemlock/Hemlock.lua: Hemlock: Fix to prevent bad data from throwing errors on poisons that Hemlock thinks it should know about.`
`23:44.47`	`cynyr`	`Antiarc: yea, the buttons down the side, and click click and you're done, awsome work`
`23:44.52`	`cynyr`	`awesome`
`23:44.55`	`Antiarc`	`grin`
`23:44.55`	`Thorgard`	`Tular, m'yeah, I was using ChatMOD 'til I found Prat. ;P`
`23:46.03`	`Adirelle`	`Nargiddley : i'm working on section priorities, but I come to the conclusion it may not worth it`
`23:46.12`	`Nargiddley`	`Adirelle, k`
`23:47.11`	`Adirelle`	`item being displayed in several sections shouldn't be too many`
`23:48.14`	`Adirelle`	`and the first-served rule is sufficent to handle this case. it may just need some explanation on how it works`
`23:48.25`	`ravagernl`	`ah, finally, I have a decent lua editor`
`23:48.38`	`Adirelle`	`as it would be nice to know how rule ordering is handled`
`23:48.43`	`Antiarc`	`Ooh`
`23:48.49`	`Antiarc`	`The mobs in Deadwind are dropping BC loot.`
`23:49.00`	`Antiarc`	`Netherweave, the new-suffix greens, etc.`
`23:49.03`	`cynyr`	`Antiarc: when did that start? today?`
`23:49.06`	`Antiarc`	`Apparently.`
`23:49.10`	`cynyr`	`oooo`
`23:50.04`	`trh`	`Antiarc: mobs did drop bc stuff before (like recipes for jewelcrafing)`
`23:50.18`	`Antiarc`	`I know you could buy jewelcrafting recipes`
`23:50.19`	`*** join/#wowace Dhraga_ (n=chatzill@213-64-237-101-o871.telia.com)`
`23:50.25`	`Antiarc`	`But they're dropping greens that'll DE into arcane dust and the like.`
`23:50.34`	`Antiarc`	`Which I need some of so I can enchant my gear the moment I walk through the portal.`
`23:50.35`	`trh`	`Antiarc: nice`
`23:50.36`	`Thorgard`	`Nuts. [2007/01/09 17:52:18-29-x34]: Cartographer-r29514\Modules\ZoneInfo.lua:146: attempt to call method 'GetFishingLevel' (a nil value)`
`23:50.37`	`kergoth`	`vhaarr: notsteel is the same as steel.. no idea why, but capping included it under a different name`
`23:50.44`	`kergoth`	`kinda weird`
`23:50.46`	`vhaarr`	`kergoth: oh`
`23:50.48`	`vhaarr`	`weird indeed`
`23:50.51`	`Goeb`	`we already got all kindsa wierd BC shards from DE'ing stuff`
`23:51.03`	`Laric`	`Antiarc we are getting the new kind of shards in zg aswell`
`23:51.11`	ag`_	`sergio: actually I am going to leave it in, I think... Some people are not playing with their warning text enabled, so it will give a good visual warning`
`23:51.16`	`Laric`	`instead of nexus's`
`23:51.18`	`Antiarc`	`I've seen the new shards, but not the dust.`
`23:51.27`	`vhaarr`	`~seen totalpackage`
`23:51.42`	`purl`	`i haven't seen 'totalpackage', vhaarr`
`23:51.49`	ag`_	`I've got a total package right here vhaarr`
`23:51.52`	`vhaarr`	`kergoth: I'd just ninjafix it if I used Capping.`
`23:51.54`	`vhaarr`	ag`_: I bet
`23:51.56`	`vhaarr`	`lol`
`23:54.36`	`kergoth`	`/media/crydee/Games/tbc/Interface/AddOns$ svk ls\|wc -l`
`23:54.36`	`kergoth`	`233`
`23:54.46`	`vhaarr`	`^^`
`23:54.51`	`vhaarr`	`Time to clean it soon :)`
`23:55.00`	`kergoth`	`had to add surfaces and surfacecontrol :)`
`23:55.14`	`Industrial`	`afasdf 233?`
`23:55.29`	`ravagernl`	`kergoth: steel is my texture :P`
`23:55.39`	`Industrial`	`im using 18 addons now`
`23:55.48`	`Tular`	`do you guys have anything like WIM?`
`23:55.53`	`kergoth`	`ravagernl: nice`
`23:56.06`	`vhaarr`	`Industrial: you're dutch`
`23:56.13`	`ravagernl`	`yeah Im busy with a msn style bottomframe now`
`23:56.18`	`kergoth`	`its a good texture, i like it for my energy ticker`
`23:56.19`	`*** join/#wowace Smeltn (n=smeltn@adsl-152-94-65.asm.bellsouth.net)`
`23:56.22`	`Industrial`	`yeah so i win by default`
`23:56.24`	`Industrial`	`:D`
`23:56.36`	`vhaarr`	`hehe`
`23:56.40`	`ravagernl`	`textures from discordmods.com, trying to get up a mod that sets it`
`23:56.44`	`kebinusan`	`battleground doesnt have an option to leave the bg you're currently in and you cant just /afk out of arenas`
`23:57.20`	`ravagernl`	`kergoth: there really wasn't any good round textures around, so I decided to make one`
`23:57.34`	`kergoth`	`Industrial: course i use standalones, so that bloats the numbers a bit - http://covenant.kergoth.com/svn/kergwow/trunk/AddOns/`
`23:57.47`	`ravagernl`	`looks really nice with the roartindon layout in aguf`
`23:57.53`	`Adirelle`	`Nargiddley : tomorrow, I'll working on another idea : placing one-item sections on the same line whenever possible (with a gap between them)`
`23:57.54`	`CIA-17`	`03ag * r24332 10ag_UnitFrames/ag_UnitClass.lua:`
`23:57.54`	`CIA-17`	`ag_UnitFrames`
`23:57.54`	`CIA-17`	`<PROTECTED>`
`23:58.04`	`vhaarr`	`I use standalones as well, and I "only" have 116 addons.`
`23:58.23`	`Nargiddley`	`Adirelle, ok`
`23:58.33`	`Adirelle`	`night`
`23:58.34`	`*** part/#wowace Adirelle (n=Guillaum@tok69-5-82-235-150-60.fbx.proxad.net)`
`23:58.48`	ag`_	`I have 28 addons`
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`23:59.10`	`ravagernl`	`are you the author of chatr kergoth? i didnt know that`
`23:59.25`	`kergoth`	`no..`
`23:59.27`	`Smeltn`	`sweet added new layouts to ag?`
`23:59.29`	`KarlThePagan`	`154`
`23:59.29`	`vhaarr`	`lol`
`23:59.42`	`kergoth`	`that url was the addon set i use, not the addons i wrote :P (the covenant one)`
`23:59.53`	`ravagernl`	`51mb of addons, 1700 files, 800 folders lmao`
`23:59.57`	`kergoth`	`i think the chatr guy drops by here on occasion though`
`23:59.59`	`Makk`	`what's the name of the framerate text?`

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