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00:04.42CIA-1703morgalm * r23045 10MorgDKP/ (7 files):
00:04.42CIA-17MorgDKP:
00:04.42CIA-17-added relational DKP
00:04.42CIA-17-added Bidwar mode
00:04.42CIA-17-modfied MorgDKP.pl for relational DKP
00:04.42CIA-17-fix item history nil error
00:05.44Fisker-TheKarn DnB+
00:05.44Fisker-?
00:06.22ThorgardDrum'n'Bass?
00:06.34CIA-1703morgalm * r23046 10MorgBid/ (MorgBid.lua MorgBid.toc):
00:06.34CIA-17MorgBid:
00:06.34CIA-17-Added member DKP to tablet
00:06.34CIA-17-added BidWar mode
00:09.09Sarozso many DKP addons
00:09.17jkwI only know 1.
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00:16.20kergothmjc, you ever used the --filter argument to svk log?
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00:33.33CIA-1703kagaro * r23047 10Cartographer/Modules/Notes.lua: Cartographer: added a clear all notes option to the Notes module
00:34.14Wogroipl_or how do you configure ClosetGnome_Gatherer?
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00:35.39CIA-17Fence:
00:35.39CIA-17- Wipe: Added missing 'name' for DeuceCommander compatibility.
00:36.23kagarobbl gona go make dinner
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00:37.09CIA-1703ag * r23049 10ag_UnitFrames/ (ag_FrameTemplate.xml ag_UnitClass.lua layouts/ABF.lua):
00:37.09CIA-17ag_UnitFrames
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00:37.34TheKarnag is tweaking nipples again
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00:47.31TheKarn~emulate ckknight
00:47.35purlfile a bug.
00:47.41TheKarn~emulate tem
00:47.42purlDammit, that's it. I'm breaking a new [something]!
00:47.58TheKarn~emulate vhaarr
00:48.01purlSubmit a log or there's no way I'm fixing it.
00:48.44ZealotOnAStick~emulate ZealotOnAStick
00:49.11ZealotOnAStickbah
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00:52.20Mikmackknight: yo, you have MBP right?
00:52.28ckknightwhat's MBP?
00:52.34Mikmamacbook pro
00:52.38ckknightyes
00:52.44Mikmachecfk this out
00:52.44Mikmahttp://www.lifehacker.com/software/security/download-of-the-day-ialertu-166241.php
00:54.42ckknight<PROTECTED>
00:55.24Sarozsweet
00:55.25ZealotOnAStickOy.
00:55.37ZealotOnAStickLatest Clique (2.3.0) and agUF are -not- getting along.
00:55.53ckknighthrm
00:55.56ZealotOnAStickreverting to Clique 2.2.5 works fine.
00:56.05ckknightag`_: ideas about that?
00:56.13SarozDrama!
00:56.18nymbiasounds like clad's problem..
00:56.28ckknightClick2Cast works for me...
00:56.28Mikmanow ag`_ and ckknight say "use Click2Cast"
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00:56.30ckknight*shrug*
00:56.32Mikmaand we're like lol
00:56.40Sarozso true Mikma
00:56.49ZealotOnAStick2.3.0 = 49 errors (with Filter addon mistakes in Bugsack/grabber checked)
00:56.50Mimesisanyone know offhand how to color aguf custom text
00:56.57ag`_ZealotOnAStick: and what isn't working?
00:57.16ZealotOnAStickI've downloaded C2C, and it's on my guild's addon mirror site (as I maintain it) but I haven't used it yet.
00:57.29ag`_anyway ZealotOnAStick
00:57.32Saroztried C2C, too hard to setup... clique ftw
00:57.34ag`_what's the problem? Errors?
00:57.35ZealotOnAStickGetting to it.
00:57.42CodayusI switched to Click2cast after running into a really bizarre clique bug.  It said "special mode enabled" and stuck a giant gopher in the middle of my screen.  Had to reload UI to fix.  oO
00:57.52Sarozlol
00:57.55ZealotOnAStickLots of errors, I can't give htem to you at the moment, because Kalimdor just crashed on my server . . .
00:58.03ZealotOnAStickthough lemme go check the SVs, maybe they're in there.
00:58.07CodayusWhile clearly special, it didn't seem very helpful.  :-)
00:58.09ag`_Does it happen if you only have clique installed?
00:58.12ZealotOnAStickand it was making the player frame not show up at all.
00:58.14ag`_what about only clique+aguf?
00:58.21CodayusBesides, I like C2Cs config interface better.
00:58.29ZealotOnAStickaguf + clique 2.3.0.  2.2.5 works fine.
00:59.25ag`_yes ZealotOnAStick , but I am trying to find out if it is something that happens with aguf+clique or with any unit frame addon
00:59.38ag`_ie. if it is something I can fix or if it is clique
00:59.48ZealotOnAStickYeah, hold on, I have a buggrabber.lua for ya.
00:59.52ZealotOnAStickYou want it on pastey or DCC?
00:59.57ag`_pastey
01:00.03ag`_but anyway test clique out without aguf please
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01:01.33CodayusWhat's a good sell value addon that comes with a decent database of prices by default?
01:01.46Mikmanone
01:01.50Neriakhi
01:02.28ZealotOnAStickstarting an AQ40 raid, not precisely the best time for me to try testing with and without my unit frames back and forth, especially with the server borking.
01:02.43ZealotOnAStickhttp://ace.pastey.net/4333
01:03.24ZealotOnAStickThe first set of Bigwigs errors was my stupid, I forgot to run bigwigslod.bat after my update, I fixed.
01:03.31ag`_uh which one of the errors is it
01:04.30ZealotOnAStickScroll down to the bottom ones, those were the most recent.
01:04.46ZealotOnAStickSorry, I didn't realize it had all the rrors from like 5 reloads while I was trying to fix things.
01:05.40ZealotOnAStickI'm going to update my second system and test it with my druid.
01:06.23ag`_I can't really make much from those errors, you're going to have to test clique alone and clique with another unit frame
01:06.32ag`_like grid
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01:07.17ZealotOnAStickworking on it, like I said, I'm updating this computer so I can test on my other system.
01:07.29ckknightbtw, I informed clad about it
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01:08.13Mikmaag`_: did you fix the overlapping frames?
01:08.17ag`_well we don't know what caues it yet
01:08.21ag`_Mikma: no
01:08.30Mikmaag`_: that's liek, sux
01:08.35ckknightZealotOnAStick: talk to clad|away
01:08.59CIA-1703neriak * r23050 10Fence/ (5 files in 2 dirs):
01:08.59CIA-17Fence:
01:09.00CIA-17- Wipe: added aliases 'w'
01:09.00CIA-17- Wipe: fixed defaults ('if not' is dangerous sometimes)
01:09.00CIA-17- Clicks: added missing check for fill toggle
01:09.00CIA-17- Sort: made it local
01:09.07ag`_Mikma: it's some SV stuff in the ag defaults file... You can like help out and find some better ones
01:09.45Mikmaag`_: yeah sure i can do that before i pass out
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01:10.57Mikmaag`_: so, mind if i move the default position of Player down some pixels (to get it under FuBar)
01:11.13ag`_it's under my fubar :S
01:11.14Fisker-ag`_ go to sleep
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01:11.28Mimesisis there any list of. |c color commands
01:11.39Mikmaag`_: that's what i meant, the default position is under fubar since fubar can't adjust the frames
01:12.00Gnarfoz_Mimesis: heh, I was just now in a situation where I wanted to ask the same thing
01:12.07ckknightMimesis: |cffff00ffHot pink!|r
01:12.09CIA-1703andalia * r23051 10BattleChat_Buffs/ (BattleChat_Buffs.lua BattleChat_Buffs.toc):
01:12.10CIA-17BattleChat_Buffs:
01:12.10CIA-17- Minor Optimizations
01:12.10CIA-17- Removed Gratuity since SEE does not require it anymore
01:12.11Gnarfoz_seems to be AARRGGBB
01:12.13ag`_how many px do you want to move it? I don't like if you create this huge gap
01:12.46Mikmaag`_: hmm, i think it's like 10 pixels by looking at the screen. unless! i can convince ckknight to add aguf frames to auto-adjust list ;D
01:13.23ag`_he can't, he doesn't know the names of all the frames
01:13.36Mikmawell, help him by telling the names? :)
01:14.20Gnarfoz_<Mikma> http://www.lifehacker.com/software/security/download-of-the-day-ialertu-166241.php < hot
01:14.35ag`_Mikma: users can create and delete frames
01:14.45CIA-1703andalia * r23052 10BattleChat_Buffs/libs/: BattleChat_Buffs: Now really remove Gratuity
01:14.45Mimesisis there a certain way to insert coloring into aguf custom status text
01:14.48ag`_the best would be if aguf would add its own frames to an auto adjust list
01:15.05Mikmaag`_: but it looks like player, target and tot are the only ones that needs to be moved
01:15.34ag`_but isn't that a bit inconsistent
01:15.37CIA-1703andalia * r23053 10BattleChat/BattleChat.lua: BattleChat: Minor Optimizations
01:15.54TheKarnin my opinion no addon should autoadjust position because of other addons
01:16.01TheKarnat least not by default
01:16.11ag`_Mikma: do you want to move it further 10 px or just x=10?
01:16.33Mikmaag`_: test this: player -> ["y"] = -20
01:16.49ag`_can't right now
01:17.01Mikmammkay, well i can take SS too
01:17.07ag`_grinding for corrupted soul shards
01:17.19ag`_but anyway ffs
01:17.30ag`_start by fixing those that's overlapping :P
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01:17.38ag`_wasn't that your major concern
01:17.55Mikmayeah :D but i also was able to fix the overlapping of fubar and playerframe ;)
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01:18.31SeeoAnyone know why I get an Ace2 error when trying to disenchant anything?
01:18.57ag`_disable all your addons and enable them one by one
01:19.00ZealotOnAStickag - Cladhaire fixed it, 2.3.1
01:19.09ag`_ok
01:19.16TheKarntbh addons should move the default UI out of the way (as an option) but addons should have movable frames. its just user laziness to want addons to interact with each other any automatically position them selves
01:19.26TheKarnits just hassle for the developers not to mention extra processing.
01:19.56Wogroipl_O.o autobuilding UIs
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01:20.57TheKarnthats essentially what mikma wants afaik
01:21.33Mikmaag`_: how about.. make agUF to make a table called ag_FuBar which has all the created frames listed in it
01:21.56Mikmathen ckknight can just use the ag_FuBar table in FuBar to autoadjust the frames
01:22.06ag`_how tall is the fubar per default
01:22.20ckknightag`_: that could actually work
01:22.28ckknightJostle:RegisterClientFrame(frame)
01:22.34TheKarnstop. why bother with this? its futile. surely mikma can just move the frames down manually!
01:22.39NeriakMikma: when you fix the default position of the frames maybe also think of possible mEnemyCastBar enabled. it needs a bit of extra-space.
01:22.57ag`_what does Jostlelib do?
01:23.05TheKarnmoves frames around automagically
01:23.08MikmaTheKarn: this is for people NOT liking to adjust frames by theirselves
01:23.32TheKarnmikma, surely its not difficult to "unlock -> drag"
01:23.55MikmaTheKarn: for me it ain't but i alwaus think about others
01:23.56TheKarnwhy waste dev's time adding a feature to automatically acheive what is done once.
01:24.19TheKarnthe whole idea of Ace2 addons (afaik) is to have efficient code without bulk
01:24.32Mikmaand feature already in is bulk?
01:24.50TheKarnits just my view
01:25.07Mikmayes but you're trying to force into your view which is bad
01:25.12NeriakTheKarn: I don't agree with you. changing the y position is no bulk ;)
01:25.12TheKarnno i'm not
01:25.19ag`_anyway doing "if jostle then jostle:RegisterClientFrame(agufplayer) end" isn't that huge to do
01:25.23ckknightyou can have Acey addons without using the Ace2 framework at all.
01:25.28Mikma<0322> <TheKarn> stop. why bother with this? its futile. surely mikma can just move the frames down manually!
01:25.31Mikmayes, you are :)
01:25.34ckknightag`_: note: I haven't added the code
01:26.29ag`_ckknight: oh so it doesn't work yet?
01:26.57ckknightag`_: no, not yet
01:27.01ag`_okay
01:27.06ckknightI can make it so it will, though
01:27.11ag`_but anyway Mikma I don't even know if it is so important
01:27.21ag`_how high is the fubar top menu per default?
01:27.26Wogroipl_Closetgnome_gatherer doesn't seem to work, or I'm too stupid
01:27.51CIA-1703arjuna * r23054 10simpleMinimap/modules/compass.lua:
01:27.52CIA-17simpleMinimap:
01:27.52CIA-17- remove compass reset option
01:27.53Mikmackknight: you can answer to ag`_'s question better
01:28.04Tulleroh so you want ag to change its defaults to move down if fubar exists?
01:28.08ckknightag`_: not sure. 18px?
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01:28.33ckknightTuller: you can do FuBar:GetBottommostTopPanel().frame:GetBottom()
01:29.06Mikmaag`_: hmm. did the frames have little space between them before or were they completely attached to each other? I can't remember :O
01:29.20TheKarnbtw mikma my point was mearly this, why add lines of code to move frames down below a bar which most users relocate. either that or they're likely to relocate the frames you're moving automatically. so the code you're adding really only benefits a minority and even then they themselves will only benefit from it the once (saving them the hassle fo the initial moving)
01:29.22Mikmaag`_: and, why is Player Pet grouping with Party? :D
01:29.22ag`_2px space
01:29.32ag`_Mikma: nothing is grouping with party
01:29.43Mikmaag`_: yes, player pet is
01:29.50ag`_no
01:29.52Mikmaag`_: i have a default SV screenshot to prove it :)
01:30.04ag`_they may be close to each other but they're not "grouping"
01:30.16ag`_I can't remember the defaults
01:30.55Mikmapet -100 party1 -65
01:31.15ag`_uh that's not grouping
01:31.23ag`_there's 35 px in between
01:31.24Ordogdoes somebody else got problems with yata not displaying the totembar?
01:31.39ag`_also you can just delete party1...party4
01:31.43ag`_those aren't used anymore
01:31.45Mikmaag`_: anyway, i have Player's Pet as "Group with player" and it's still docked at -100
01:31.47Fisker-http://img.4chan.org/b/src/1167701235316.jpg
01:32.05Mikmaag`_: oh, will try it now
01:32.28ag`_I don't even know if that option does anything these days Mikma
01:32.36Mikmahaha no wonder then
01:33.43ag`_does anyone have a felwood map?
01:33.55ag`_with coords for those thingies
01:34.04Mikmaag`_: /slap ... ShowPvPIcon = false -> true ;)
01:34.19Fisker-It sucks having insomnia at the end of your vacation
01:34.41ag`_Mikma: who uses those pvp icons anyway
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01:34.59ag`_oh right you're a pve guy :D
01:34.59Mikmaag`_: i do :) but that's why i requested the porn borders hehe
01:35.14Fisker-porn borders? :)
01:35.22Fisker-what's all this then?
01:35.22ag`_yeah with tits and stuff
01:35.23Mikmaag`_: well i'm planning on becoming a pvp guy once Draenei's arrive
01:35.38ag`_then do my server
01:35.48Fisker-i'd do your server any day
01:35.50Fisker-any time
01:35.53Fisker-i'd hit it
01:35.58MikmaFisker-: porn! http://wow.reaktio.net/nightfall.jpg
01:36.03ag`_You're already doing my server Fisker-
01:36.08Fisker-i know
01:36.14Fisker-fucking awesome
01:36.32Fisker-Shopped or some novelty hud textures? :P
01:36.39Fisker-That would be fun actually
01:36.41Fisker-PornHUD
01:36.46MikmaFisker-: i did that actually
01:36.54Mikmajust Gimp and some time :)
01:36.55Fisker-green, yellow, red and blue nudes
01:37.04Mikmanudity = bad
01:37.11Fisker-would've been faster with an addon
01:37.23Ominouswoooooot, got me my HW dagger
01:37.23Fisker-Why is your portrait not showing?
01:37.26Fisker-o wait
01:37.28Fisker-that's your party
01:37.37Fisker-So you EU or US?
01:37.42Fisker-gz Ominous !1
01:37.51MikmaFisker-: EU,
01:37.53Fisker-Only got HWL MH/OH and Iblis
01:37.54ag`_does any of the cartographer plugins show felwood special herbs?
01:38.06Mikmaag`_: yes, Cartographer_Treasure should
01:38.08Fisker-could buy the dagger also if i were up for it
01:38.17Fisker-but i'm considering buying 2xHWL armor pieces instead
01:38.23Fisker-just that the HWL set looks like crap
01:38.30Fisker-atleast the Horde one does
01:39.05TainFor some reason everytime I see HWL I think "howl" which makes me think "Howl's Moving Castle"
01:39.10Fisker-What's that FuBar plugin with the 4 different colors?
01:39.12Mikmaag`_: well, there's actually no point of adjusting the frames until you manage to get the grouping working with pets and everything :)
01:39.55ag`_there isn't anything called cartograher_treasure
01:40.22Mikmahttp://dev.wowace.com/wowace/trunk/Cartographer_Treasure/
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01:40.56Ominoushmm is there a FuBar plugin which just lists all the LOD addons you ahve and makes you able to enable them?
01:41.17MikmaModMenuToFu?
01:41.30Mikmanot sure does it work in 2.0
01:42.09ag`_woah holy fuck
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01:42.19ag`_felwood gathering sucks without having herbalism
01:42.30Gngskheh
01:42.31Mikmameh
01:42.32Fisker-wy?
01:42.32Fisker-WHY?
01:42.34Fisker-damn keyboard
01:42.35Fisker-heh
01:42.38MikmaWRYYYYYY
01:42.42Fisker-WRYYYYYYYYY
01:42.47MikmaGngsk: show your pornblinker to ag`_ !
01:43.00GngskI linked it when he joined
01:43.03Gngskmaybe he missed it
01:43.06GngskI'll link it again
01:43.07Mikmawell, link it again
01:43.16Gngskhttp://ace.pastey.net/4272
01:43.34MikmaGngsk: so how can i test that exactly?
01:43.40ag`_I will probably add in the option for those blinking frames sometime
01:43.47Gngskthrow it in tinypad
01:43.49ag`_it's just hard work adding all the options and shit
01:43.56ag`_also I want the textures from mg2
01:43.56Gngsk/pad run page#
01:44.05ag`_but I don't have anything left of mg
01:44.07Mikmaag`_: well, make them easier to add and you will be helped :D
01:44.09ag`_I need one of the old zips
01:44.19Mikmaag`_: well jaslaughter's site?
01:44.25Gngskuh, is the old site gone or you can't reach it now?
01:44.48ag`_there's nothing there
01:44.49Gngsko_O
01:44.59GngskWelcome to DCI Home Resource, Charlotte, North Carolina's premier source for cabinetry, appliances, plumbing, and award-winning kitchen and bath designs.
01:45.03OminousMilkma: but you cant enable the LOD addons there
01:45.08Ominouss/enable/load
01:45.24GngskOminous, /ace2 load <addon> ?
01:45.49Ominousyea but thats not a fubar plugn and it requres getting the addon name right
01:46.10Gnarfoz_ckknight: it's not possible to make a Tablet Hint not linebreak (or make the hint responsible for how wide the tablet is), is there?
01:46.14GngskOminous, try out supply and demand?
01:46.42ckknightGnarfoz_: you could instead of doing a normal hint make a new category and a new line that's green.
01:46.46ckknightsame end result
01:46.55Gnarfoz_hm, yea, I guess
01:46.55Gnarfoz_:D
01:47.04OminousGngsk: i use that but it requires the addons to have the SnD placeholder
01:47.04GngskAnyone know if there are plans to make it possible to apply poison/sharpening stones without using secure frames?
01:47.16ZealotOnAStickHmm.
01:47.33ZealotOnAStickLemme find my addon archive DVD.
01:47.37GngskOminous, yea just takes a bit of TOC fiddling
01:47.37Ordogsomebody using yata in here?
01:47.41MikmaGngsk: haste does :P
01:47.42ZealotOnAStickSee if I might happen to have a version of MG2 somewhere.
01:47.48ag`_would be cool
01:47.50GngskMikma, knows about the poison thing?
01:47.57hasteMikma: I use a secure frame on oApplication
01:47.58Ordogyet another totem addon even?
01:48.00MikmaGngsk: well yeah
01:48.04Gngskhaste, http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7769
01:48.05Mikmasee? :)
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01:48.12Mimesisan old mod "loadit" would load lod addons and let you enable disable stuff
01:48.18Mikmaoh "without" hehe
01:48.27Mikmai don't know is that even possible?
01:48.38Gngskhaste, I have hacked itemrack for it to show the poisons like that, but I just can't figure out how to cast them :\
01:48.46Ominoushaste: are you going to add macro support for oApp?
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01:48.55itx`hello, i have a minor issue with aguf, my combo points doesn't show up on target. anyone any clues
01:49.14Mikmaitx`: yes they are under FuBar
01:49.18Gngsk~seen gello
01:49.31purlgello <n=chatzill@hmpdmehed51-pool3-a127.hmpdme.tds.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowi-lounge, 36d 19h 49m 56s ago, saying: 'if you do <PushedTexture file="same file"><TexCoords left=".1" right=".9" top=".1" bottom=".9"/></PushedTexture> then it will look like it "pushes" without needing new artwork'.
01:49.31hasteOminous: no, oApp will only be an inventory addon
01:49.31Mimesisthat reminds me, i use macros to apply my poisons, sometimes they work fine and sometimes the error out, its not related to combat either, been bugging me
01:49.32Ominousok :/
01:49.46GngskQQ
01:50.21MikmaGngsk: so, now i entered the code and ran the page. now what?
01:50.25Mimesisominous what are you looking for exactly
01:50.31itx`err, any idea how to get it to show
01:50.38GngskMikma, your borders should be blinking
01:50.39Mikmaitx`: move the unitframes
01:50.42vid`hmm
01:50.46Mimesis/use Instant Poison VI
01:50.46Mimesis/use [modifer:alt] 17;16
01:50.48vid`clad released perfectraid
01:50.49vid`yay
01:50.51Mimesisworks 80% of the time
01:50.54itx`okay. thanks
01:50.57MikmaGngsk: right, i think i need to enable them first
01:51.16GngskMikma, yea if you change 4 to 3 it'll make the background blink too
01:51.26OminousMimesis, oApplication but able to use off action bars.  or like an ace2 poisoneer
01:51.36Wogroipl_O.o gonna check PRaid now then :)
01:51.42Fisker-14th november was the wow release date in the us right?
01:51.42vid`http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info4673-PerfectRaid.html
01:51.50vid`only 2 column tho
01:51.54vid`no 1 col layout yet
01:52.58Ominousis it not going to be released on teh svn
01:53.10Gngskprolly not
01:53.11MikmaGngsk: yeah the border is blinking
01:53.18GngskMikma, looks nice, right?
01:53.29MikmaGngsk: too mild imho
01:53.32Fisker-I think i'll flame cladhaire for deliberately claiming money for his addons!!!!!!!!!
01:53.39MikmaGngsk: should be in RED and faster pulse
01:53.44GngskMikma, well adding color depending on the event will add flair
01:53.45Mikmaliek d-i-s-c-o!
01:53.50jkwFisker-: Which AddOn?
01:53.59GngskMikma, that's what it looked like in MG2, so that's what I was trying to emulate.
01:54.08MikmaGngsk: littlebit faster the pulse i think
01:54.09Fisker-perfectraid :O
01:54.18Fisker-it liek links to paypal
01:54.46GngskMikma, run the commented out line at the bottom to stop it
01:54.57MikmaGngsk: /rl did the trink too hah
01:55.00GngskMikma, then change .08's to .09
01:55.04Gngskwell, yea but that takes a while
01:55.12Wogroipl_Cladhaire ditched Ace2 for praid too then?
01:55.25ZealotOnAStickag: ui.worldofwar.net/ui.php?is=472
01:55.31ZealotOnAStickold QT ui has MG2 in it.
01:55.55Gnarfoz_ckknight: I can't find it in tablet's code, but it seems the first line (or colum of a line, if there are multiple columns) after the title somehow "inherits" the "boldness" of the title
01:56.14ckknightmmm...yea
01:56.17ckknightthat's been around for a while
01:56.21ckknightcan't quite figure that one out.
01:56.25Gnarfoz_heh
01:57.10MikmaGngsk: imho, needs a better glow
01:57.22Gngskdefine better?
01:57.38Mikmasec
01:58.08Wogroipl_guess I'll have to wait for a later version of perfectraid, I don't really like it yet
01:58.46MikmaGngsk: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/full6334.jpg
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01:59.08MikmaGngsk: that i define a better glow ;) Baggins' author also uses it in it
01:59.17GngskMikma, if you want to change color use the code I pasteyd before
01:59.28Gngskthat pastey is just for alpha glowing
01:59.50MikmaGngsk: well i had an image in my mind that would do the blinking, would be easier to see etc
02:00.05Gngskhere, I'll make a new one with both color and alpha
02:00.08Mikmabut, that's just how ag`_ want's it
02:00.11mjcsomeone wanted my attention
02:00.15CIA-1703kagaro * r23055 10Cartographer_Treasure/Cartographer_Treasure.lua: Cartographer_Treasure: fixed a local bug
02:00.27Mikmamjc: me. do you still love me when i'm old and my penis don't work?
02:00.35mjchahahaha
02:00.41mjcyour penis probably doesn't work already
02:00.51TheKarnhe's never had a chance to try
02:00.52Mikmayeah that's true, that's why i'm a receiver
02:01.00mjchahahahahahahahahah
02:01.05ag`_Gngsk: check out if you can get the border textures from ZealotOnAStick
02:01.25Mikmawell yeag, MG2 used nice textures
02:01.27mjcdammit
02:01.32mjcDAMMIT
02:01.33Mimesiswould i be right in assuming that aguf cant sort by class inside unitgroups?
02:01.37mjcI can't set the topic
02:01.46Mikmano you can't, stupid
02:01.54Mikmayou miss a @ :P
02:02.04mjc<PROTECTED>
02:02.04ag`_Mimesis: nope
02:02.08ag`_and I can't even make it do it
02:02.19Mimesiswhat about
02:02.19ag`_depends on if blizzard wants to do it or not
02:02.27Mimesisdocking unit groups
02:02.38Mikmaag`_: if the border is lost, we can ask Mikk to do it or i can try doing the border
02:02.50Mimesisa group for each class that dock to eachother, and grow in whatever direction you want
02:02.51Mikmaag`_: (look at mah sexy Round.tga i made for agUF)
02:03.27Mikmaand yes, i redid it some days ago
02:03.40Mikmanow it's the "Blizzard/Classic" texture with rounded edges
02:03.50CIA-1703beerke * r23056 10KingOfTheJungle/ (3 files in 2 dirs):
02:03.50CIA-17KingOfTheJungle :
02:03.50CIA-17- Added option to modify warning interval
02:03.50CIA-17- Cleaned up localization and corrected missing locales
02:03.53Fisker-what auras does it filter when choosing the Inside style?
02:03.58Mikmaalso I did like the "Otravi" texture rounded too
02:04.52Mikmai was balancing between otravi and blizzard -textures to add in aguf, but then i decided that Blizzard is better
02:05.51Gngskag`_ http://ace.pastey.net/4337
02:06.25Mikmafilelist?
02:06.25Gnarfoz_I have a complete MG2 around
02:06.30Gnarfoz_which textures do you need?
02:06.56Mikmacan't you just share the whole addon? :D
02:07.05ag`_MG_Borders
02:07.12ag`_MG_ThickBorders
02:07.16ag`_MG_ThinBorders
02:07.30Gnarfoz_http://local.geektour.de/mg2/ grab what you need
02:07.31Gnarfoz_^^
02:08.03Mikmagrab the texture too ;)
02:08.15Mikmas/texture/font/
02:08.34TheKarncan someone screeny these "MG2" bars?
02:08.46Mikmagoogle prolly can
02:09.24Mikmaor.. change ALL layouts to "Classic"
02:09.34Mikmathen you know how was MG2 like :)
02:09.45Mimesisk so, is there a way to color the watchdog text in aguf custom text, i tried |cffff0000[name]|r but thats not working
02:10.08vid`yea praid needs to be 1 col, thinner health bars like the original, and kill group tags
02:10.11vid`and it would be perfecto~
02:10.20vid`basically same layout as praid1~
02:10.28Gnarfoz_complain to the separatist :p
02:10.28vid`for saving room
02:10.31vid`haha
02:10.33vid`right
02:10.34vid`:(
02:10.38vid`praid was the shit though
02:10.48vid`i think clad released it because 9 million people bitched
02:10.52Mimesisid actually be happy with aguf raid stuff if i could change this goddamn color
02:10.55vid`that he was taking too long
02:10.56vid`yea
02:11.02vid`im gonna use aguf raid frames most likely
02:11.11vid`my biggest complaint is health bars too big to get it in 1 col
02:11.16vid`but once my new 22" comes in tomorrow
02:11.18Mikmaag`_: i have an ultimate request for agUF which will be easy to do :)
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02:11.20Gngskso anyway, I have a secure frame and I set attributes but when I click it it doesn't do anything. what'd I do wrong?!
02:11.22vid`i should be able to lay it out how i want
02:11.34vid`rqright now im running low res so i cant fit shit on my screen
02:12.26Mikmaag`_: please PLEASE delete the Roartindon -layout from agUF, it's really that horrible
02:12.28ag`_Gngsk: you need to enable mouse for it
02:12.40vid`hey thtas the layouti use
02:12.42vid`:(
02:12.47Fisker-awesome
02:12.49Mimesisits not bad
02:12.50Fisker-DELETE!1
02:12.54vid`why the hate!?!?
02:12.56Gngskag`_, IsMouseEnabled() = 1
02:12.57Fisker-I don't even have a roartindon layout i think
02:13.12vid`all i know tho is my aguf shit scale changed
02:13.14Mikmait's really horrible and you can't see the texts in the bars at all
02:13.29Mimesisim using roatindon as my raid layout right now
02:13.32Mimesisits great
02:13.34vid`yea
02:13.37vid`thats my raid layout too
02:13.40vid`just cant read peoples names easily
02:13.46vid`but its best for small res
02:13.52vid`tomorrow it wont be a prob anymore
02:13.58vid`once i go from 1024x768 to 1680x1050
02:13.59vid`:D
02:14.01vid`cant wait
02:14.05Mimesisya thats why im asking how to change peoples name color
02:14.10Mimesisbut seems know one knows
02:14.15Mimesisno*
02:14.20vid`its not just me though right?
02:14.24vid`the scale of aguf change?
02:14.29MikmaGrid is great for small resolutions :)
02:14.33vid`like the windows look bigger even though the scale is the same :P
02:14.39Fisker-i don't have that style here :(
02:14.43vid`grid doesnt give me the info i want though :\
02:14.49Mikmawhat indo?
02:14.50vid`i like standard style raid frames
02:14.50Fisker-please tell me of your 1337 h4x0ring skills
02:14.57Mikmainfofofofomofo
02:14.58ZealotOnAStickckknight - is there a reason why Cartographer is giving me the silithus map when I'm inside AQ40?
02:15.01vid`perfectraid was perfect :P
02:15.12vid`so hopefully it will be the same as praid1 when its done
02:15.42ckknightZealotOnAStick: shows AQ40 for me
02:15.43Fisker-oh teh noes
02:15.56Fisker-that roartindon style where is it? :(
02:16.45CIA-1703curney 07sylvanaar * r23057 10Prat/Prat/modules/ (Buttons.lua PopupMessage.lua):
02:16.45CIA-17Prat: (some kinks need to be ironed out, sylvanaar please look)
02:16.45CIA-17- Buttons.lua: attempting to apply new template, not working yet
02:16.45CIA-17- PopupMessage.lua: attempting to make an option have a lower order than a
02:16.45CIA-17template filled option and haven't had any success, like it's always putting
02:16.46CIA-17template options to the top even if order values would indicate otherwise
02:16.50CIA-17- Also note that several modules do not show in the prat menu since the big module reformating on 1/1/06.
02:17.09CIA-1703gnarfoz * r23058 10FuBar_tTracker/FuBar_tTrackerLocals.lua: (log message trimmed)
02:17.09CIA-17FuBar_tTracker
02:17.09CIA-17.toc:
02:17.09CIA-17- fixed SavedVariables
02:17.09CIA-17- changed "Title" to not break alphabetic sorting
02:17.10CIA-17- bumped "Version" to 0.2
02:17.12CIA-17Tooltip support:
02:17.14Fisker-lol
02:17.17Fisker-wat the fuck is that :D
02:17.23ZealotOnAStickok, Instance Maps enabled, Instance notes enabled . . .
02:17.36ZealotOnAStickI'm IN AQ40, and I hit M, and get the silithus map.
02:18.51ZealotOnAStickaccording to ace2 list, r29514, btw
02:19.30ag`is that a branch of prat?
02:19.32vid`wow
02:19.37vid`click2cast is sweet
02:19.38ag`what's the difference between the branch and trunk?
02:19.39Gngskag`, yea
02:19.39Fisker-try upgrading
02:19.43vid`i like it better than clique
02:19.45Gngskag`, internals
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02:20.22Fisker-1/1/06? :O
02:20.25Fisker-Prat is oooold
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02:22.54mjchaha
02:23.05TheKarnhaha
02:23.05mjcvid`: agreed
02:23.17mjcit needs to support the blizz frames though, but I haven't bothered to fix that
02:23.37vid`ah
02:23.39vid`i use it with aguf
02:23.41vid`and it rocks
02:23.43vid`i just set it up
02:23.45vid`<3 it
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02:26.42KirkburnHmm, I bet Amadeo thinks his suggestion made me brick my router :P
02:26.49KirkburnWell ... he would be right
02:27.00TheKarnwhat suggestion?
02:27.13KirkburnMy router ne function pas :) This is next door's wireless I think :P Hello all!
02:27.15ag`c2c can very easily work with the blizz frames
02:27.17TheKarntelnet'ing in and doing an rm -r /
02:28.14ag`next door's wireless? Kirkburn you hacker.
02:28.31ag`The FBI is on their way
02:28.42KirkburnOohHey. I'm not the one who didn't put security on it!
02:28.50KirkburnMajor lag, though
02:29.01ag`probably downloading porn
02:29.11Kirkburnheh
02:29.22KirkburnIt's a crappy 512 connection
02:29.29ag`check out what your gateway ip and see if you can do anything fun with it in your browser
02:29.33Fisker-it's an uk connection
02:29.43KirkburnAmazingly I can now piss about with their router
02:29.58mjchttp://joelonsoftware.com/articles/fog0000000043.html
02:30.22KirkburnOh I already logged into the router :P
02:30.27KirkburnTheKarn, he suggested updating the firmware
02:30.30vid`eh
02:30.34vid`sema is a car show!~
02:31.10KirkburnI think it was ready to die anyway
02:31.20vid`if its a linksys
02:31.38vid`get ddwrt~
02:33.12KirkburnIt's also a Belkin router, but a newer model than mine :(
02:33.12KirkburnI'm going to have to get a new router 2moro - anyone got suggestions?
02:33.32mjcwrt54gl, and flash it with thibor's firmware if you don't want to roll your own
02:33.35TheKarnDG834 is sound
02:33.45TheKarnNetgear that is
02:33.46mjcwrt54gl is open
02:35.00vid`i use a wrt54g w/ ddwrt
02:35.13ckknightI've had nothing but problems with my wrt54g v5
02:35.14vid`works good
02:35.32mjcckknight: V5 is VxWorks
02:35.36TheKarnour DG834PN-UK just keeps on going and going and going
02:35.37vid`yep
02:35.38ckknightyes, I know
02:35.42mjcand yes, it's trash :)
02:35.47ckknightand installing linux on it was a bitch in and of itself
02:35.49vid`theres mini ddwrt now for v5 :P
02:36.05CIA-1703ag * r23059 10ag_UnitFrames/ag_Defaults.lua:
02:36.05CIA-17ag_UnitFrames
02:36.06CIA-17<PROTECTED>
02:36.26vid`http://www.dd-wrt.com/dd-wrtv2/down.php?path=downloads%2Fdd-wrt.v23+SP2/
02:36.45vid`theres mini/micro which fit on the v5's i believe
02:36.46KirkburnHmm, I think "ted" is the owner
02:36.46KirkburnThere appear to be 4 other PCs connected, two of which are "Ted"
02:36.49KirkburnThe other, "your-7177bad9ff", doesn't really tell me much :P
02:36.53Kirkburnoh lol, it *is* next door, the Hancocks
02:36.58vid`no "Bill" Kirkburn?
02:36.59Kirkburnddwrt?
02:37.03KirkburnBear in mind I need a ADSL modem / wireless router
02:37.09Kirkburn7 character password :P
02:37.11KirkburnI bet it's "Hancock" ;)
02:37.23Kirkburnwow all those messages came at once, that's some baad lag
02:37.30vid`i hate combo modem/routers
02:37.39Fisker-http://img.4chan.org/b/src/1167704551319.jpg <-o shiiii-
02:37.54KirkburnWhat the hell is ddwrt?
02:38.08vid`3rd party router firmware
02:38.11ag`router software distribution
02:38.23Mimesisoh wow, there is a recap using parserlib
02:38.29KirkburnOh, intruguing
02:38.36mjcddwrt is way more complicated than hyperwrt thibor
02:38.40ckknightFisker-: what's /b/?
02:38.56Fisker-A board on 4chan
02:39.00Fisker-"shithole of the internet" they said
02:39.02ag`it's wapanese
02:39.05mjcthibor just works and doesn't have all the retarded netfilter stuff configured for a >64MB box
02:39.18beerkeHmm why does bartender not show my keybindings, even if i set them to show
02:39.32alcarasbeerke: did you reset them for bartender in blizz keybindings?
02:39.38alcarasbartender no longer inherits wow keybindings
02:39.48Kirkburn"b" is random
02:39.48KirkburnIt's /s/ you want look for =)
02:39.49beerkehmm
02:39.57vid`ddwrt is pretty similar to linksys firmware, but yea it is more complicated
02:40.05vid`you can do things like static ip over DHCP
02:40.06beerkeWell default blizz keybindings work normally for bartender
02:40.09vid`etc
02:40.14alcarasbeerke: not bt3
02:40.20beerkeit does for me
02:40.22vid`yea the blizz keybindings work in BT3
02:40.27vid`but it doesnt show the shortcuts anymore
02:40.30vid`i dunno why
02:40.32ag`what's the difference between openvrt and ddvrt
02:40.36ZealotOnAStickckknight - you see above about my aq40/silithus map issue, including revision and what options are on?
02:40.42alcarasbecause you have to reset the keybindings for bt3
02:40.56ckknightno
02:40.59beerkea well, on it now :P
02:41.14Fisker-As i already told you, get the newest version before reporting bugs
02:41.15vid`reset blizz keybindings?
02:41.24vid`i havent touched my keybindings and BT3 is using same ones shrug
02:41.30Fisker-It might be fixed there
02:41.33ckknightZealotOnAStick: hrm, what if you manually select the AQ40 map?
02:41.33vid`i didnt want to fuck with it and make it worse :P
02:41.34ZealotOnAStickok, well, either scroll up, or I'll repeat it after fankriss
02:41.48mjcckknight: who is doing the instanceloot stuff
02:41.56ckknightmjc: nymbia?
02:42.04mjck.
02:42.11beerkeNah, default keybindings work with BT3, but they don't show up. You need to reset them in keybindings for BT3 to make them show up
02:42.16mjcdo you know the code much? think I need to fix the PT sets
02:42.19vid`ah
02:42.25beerkewhich is kinda awkward as from default state it works as well
02:43.25ZealotOnAStickyes
02:43.26ZealotOnAStickfankriss about 74,19 bte
02:44.02ckknightoh, I know the issue.
02:44.37vid`where do you set keybindings in BT3? lol
02:44.40mjcckknight: you pass joel smolsky's programmer tests with flying colors
02:44.40vid`i didnt even know you could
02:44.44kagarohmm wonder why I cant reference a saved varible from another mod
02:44.51ckknightjoel smolsky?
02:44.56mjcjoelonsoftware.com
02:44.57mjc:P
02:45.09ckknightwhat about it?
02:45.21TheKarn~ckknight
02:45.23purlckknight LOVES pie and your mom, not necessarily in that order
02:45.28tlund~tlund
02:45.35tlundBAH. :(
02:45.38mjche's a fantastic writer who has a lot to say about how programmers work
02:45.46mjcwas just reading some things on his site earlier
02:45.47ZealotOnASticksorry, was typing one-handed during the fight.
02:46.15ZealotOnASticknew fankriss coords for the note should be about 74, 19 btw.  
02:46.22ZealotOnAStickIf those coords are helpful.
02:46.29mjcobject Win inherits MyGirlfriend
02:46.32ckknightmjc: and there's a test?
02:46.33ZealotOnAStickIf I manually select aq40 from the instance map list, it shows.
02:46.39mjcckknight: criteria
02:46.45ZealotOnAStickthen when i close the map, re-open, it's silithus again.
02:46.51ckknightalright
02:47.11mjche has a thing about hiring people ,blah blah
02:47.31CIA-1703ckknight * r23060 10Cartographer/Modules/InstanceMaps.lua: Cartographer-InstanceMaps - fix bug where in instances it wouldn't open the proper map.
02:47.40ckknightplztest kthx
02:47.44KirkburnThis is such an awful connection :/
02:47.44KirkburnHow am I supposed to browse /s/ with this?!
02:48.03deltroni just had that issue in mauradon
02:48.15ckknightwell it's fixed
02:48.19mjccan anyone recommend ps2 mod chips?
02:48.26Wogroipl_gah, still can't get my herbalism gloves to autoequip with closetgnome_gatherer, any ideas?
02:48.27deltrondsm4
02:48.37deltronmjc: go to #retrogamers on EFnet
02:48.40vid`ps2?
02:48.40vid`:P
02:48.48vid`i have a dms in mine
02:48.52vid`works good
02:48.59vid`but i havent used ps2 in like 2 years
02:49.10deltronsame
02:49.15vid`mostly been playing 360
02:49.42ag`wii ftw
02:49.45vid`i sniped a vga cable on ebay for like $3 the other day
02:49.52vid`so i can play in 720p now
02:49.55vid`its sick
02:50.00deltronI play my dreamcast a helluva lot more than my ps2
02:50.01KirkburnWii!
02:50.13Kirkburni'm soo getting a wii
02:50.18vid`plus 360 is flashable now
02:50.24vid`but cant boot unsigned code yet
02:50.25deltroni love my wii :D
02:50.28deltronwii is FTW
02:50.31TainI play my PS2 a lot even with my Wii.
02:50.33Fisker-NO
02:50.38vid`so no XBMC, etc like with xbox1
02:50.42Fisker-like
02:50.44Fisker-NES
02:50.44mjcdeltron: girlfriend is looking for a plug-in one, she doesn't want me to teach her to solder
02:50.58vid`i dont think there is a plugmod for ps2
02:51.04deltronmjc: well jandaman of jandaman.com hangs out in there
02:51.06vid`i remember having to solder like 23 wires on my original ps2
02:51.23mjcdeltron: I don't know anything about ps2 anything
02:51.23Tainhaha yeah vid I did one with a ton of wires on my PS2 way back when.
02:51.31vid`360 is easiest :) you just hook up sata on dvd drive to pc, leave power on 360. turn on 360, turn on pc, boot to dos
02:51.56vid`run mtkflash and rip firmware, inject your security key from original firmware into 3rd party firmware with a hex editor, and reflash the edited firmware back onto your drive
02:52.11Fisker-And you can even recover it too :)
02:52.12vid`but all it lets you do is play burned games
02:52.16vid`no homebrew yet
02:52.19vid`or unsigned
02:52.22vid`:(
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02:52.29vid`thats what made xbox1 so great
02:52.30deltronthe wii has a media player now :)
02:52.31deltronit's ftw
02:52.32Fisker-Well warez is the only thing that matters anyways
02:52.33Fisker-:D
02:53.01DrZootso it is possible to play burned games on an xbox360?
02:53.30TainNo.
02:53.34ag`deltron: what files can it play? I didn't notice it on my wii yet..
02:53.43TainI'm sure it will be eventually.
02:54.02deltronag`: heh third party
02:54.03DrZootdidnt vid`just say it was possible a few lines up or did i miss something?
02:54.10deltronlet me get you the link
02:54.16TainBut I don't care, if a game is worth playing I buy it, if it isn't worth playing I don't play it no matter whether it is free or not.
02:54.18deltronthey have to be .flv's i think
02:54.26Fisker-ah
02:54.33Fisker-silly goose :P
02:54.42vid`yes you can burn 360 games
02:54.48vid`but you cant boot unsigned code
02:54.59TainOf course hacked firmware is the only reason I still buy PSP games, otherwise it would still be collecting dust.
02:55.06vid`all the firmware hacks do is trick the 360 into thinking the burned copy is an original disc
02:55.16vid`the original game is still signed code
02:55.25DrZootright so you cant have the custom dash type deal like the xbox did but u can play burned games
02:55.28vid`it hasnt been modified
02:55.31vid`exactly zoot
02:55.49vid`every executable that runs on 360 has to be signed by ms
02:55.58DrZootms? you mean satan
02:56.01vid`:P
02:56.12Tainomglolz you called ms satan lolzlolz
02:56.19mjcdeltron: DMS4 EZI is solderless?
02:56.41TainWait wait isn't it... M$ lololol
02:56.59Fisker-oh you
02:57.14DrZoothaha, its a poor joke but sometimes I really wonder about ms, as a company they just seem to have little care for the people using their software
02:57.21deltronmjc: unsure, I haven't flashed mine in about 4 yeras
02:57.23deltronyears*
02:57.37TainBeing able to run original PS1 games on my PSP is the best thing to come along in a long time though.
02:57.42mjchttp://www.dms3.com/cgi-bin/dms4ezi/site.pl?page=home
02:58.20Mimesiswhat program lets you play ps1 games
02:59.02TainThe PSP has a PS1 emulator in it, you just can't normally use it unless you buy the official sanctioned ones from Sony and transfer them from a PS3.
02:59.39TainSo custom firmware just uses the emulator already there but lets you actually use it, loading games from the memory stick.
02:59.40TheKarnso in order to play PS1 games on a PSP you have to buy a PS3?
02:59.40mjcdeltron: looking for a place to buy it
03:00.03TainTheKarn to play them legitimately according to Sony, yes.
03:00.52TainThey're not even customized, they're simply normal PS ISO dumps that Sony lets you download, just compressed.
03:00.57mjcdeltron: she's in .ca, also
03:01.22TheKarnwhy are all these manufacturers/companies so pathetic?
03:02.22mjcDRM
03:02.53TheKarndo they realise DRM is ruining the industry?
03:03.01mjcthey don't give a fuck
03:03.25TainIt isn't ruining the industry.  It isn't good for it, but it isn't ruining it either.
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03:05.08TheKarnits not going to destroy it
03:05.24mjccommercialization destroys everything
03:05.35TheKarnnot if they think about it
03:05.52TainThat's a vast overgeneralization that isn't true.
03:06.03TheKarncustomers don't want to be insulted
03:06.21mjcTain: trolling is fun
03:06.34TainOk, have fun!
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03:12.57mjcSuramar is Full. position in queue: 393
03:13.08deltronsuramar is fucked man
03:16.51Wogroipl_ok, I'll have to find out about Closetgnome another time, goodnight
03:22.28CIA-1703next96 * r23061 10SimpleUnitFrames/ (Core.lua PartyFrame.lua PlayerFrame.lua TargetFrame.lua):
03:22.28CIA-17SimpleUnitFrames :
03:22.28CIA-17- Added locale koKR
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03:23.27ckknighthey Tem
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03:23.46Gnarfoz_so much for that
03:23.47Gnarfoz_;D
03:24.54mjclol
03:24.59mjcckknight: pwnt
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03:32.12mjcam I on crack or have I never seen nightfall proc
03:32.33zacthe weapon?
03:32.42mjcwarlock talent
03:32.48zacprocs all the time for me
03:33.08mjchow do you tell :P
03:33.14mjcself buff?
03:33.20zacyeah, Shadow Trance
03:33.29mjchmm
03:33.40zacsct will also do a "Nightfall!" text alert
03:33.45mjcusing FCT
03:34.59Gngska noise plays
03:35.05Gngskwhen it procs
03:35.14Gnarfoz_that, too
03:35.27Gnarfoz_and you get black stuff "snowing" down on you
03:35.34Gngskand, scantily clad ladies appear on both sides of your screen
03:35.37Fisker-oh my gay
03:35.37mjclol
03:36.16Gnarfoz_only if you are mikma ;<
03:41.15kagarock: if I want to add a ctrl-left click to the world map in cart, I just need to hook InstanceWorldMapButton_OnClick correct?
03:41.52ckknightkagaro: basically. What're you trying to accomplish with ctrl-left click?
03:42.07kagaroopen a statistics side tablet
03:42.26syerenDoes anyone know the Elitst Jerks IRC Channel / Network :p?
03:43.00Fisker-isn't it part of uberguilds now?
03:43.20kagaroi could just as easily make it a menu option was just going for fast access .. i.e. open map, ctrl-left click to bring up stats take a look and leave map
03:44.21kagarostats are just Gathering statistics/suggestions i.e. ::Mining::  Copper -- best spot Barrens, Tin -- 1k needles
03:44.35Mimesishey tain u here
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03:44.41kagarojust a quick rundown tablet of best spots for herb/ore
03:44.47syerenFisker-, it would appear that their channel isn't there ;p
03:45.34Fisker-then know i don't
03:46.28beerkeI have a question regarding import of notes : As many people import data from outside, and thus not actually clicking the node, it is hard to verify if the node actually exists. Is it possible to ask for an option, that allows you to toggle it, so that you can see nodes that you actually verified yourself (by clicking them yourself in game) from the nodes you get sended or imported ?
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03:50.30Ordognote creator will be cartographer noteshare if imported right?
03:50.57beerkenot here
03:51.08Ordogor the playernick even, never had notes shared until now
03:51.10beerkei got herbalism nodes from outside and creator is herbalism
03:51.35beerkeI get nodes broadcasted from guild members
03:51.47beerkeI got databse broadcasted from guild members as well
03:51.50Ordoghm they are in the herbalism db ye thus they get created by cart herb i guess
03:52.06beerkeHowever, it is hard to check if they actually exist
03:52.35beerkeAnd if there is no check, then data will eventually most likely error over time, unless you purge it regularly somehow
03:52.42Ordogthey would need to be in a noteshare db which doesnt exist so that would be the change that has to be done
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03:53.04Ordogor would need another tablefield with a boolean ...
03:53.08beerkewell a simple bool (verified) added to the note is sufficient
03:53.20Ordogya
03:53.37beerkeor last timestamp seen
03:53.43Ordogpropose that to ckk ^^
03:53.58beerkehe was here 10minutes afo
03:54.17kagarowhen you get a broadcast if you have herbalism, it will be added as Herbalism for herb notes same for Mining
03:54.23Ordogand active only 5 minutes ago! keep naggin! ;P
03:54.40beerkeckknight, read above please ^^
03:54.55Ordogye kagaro thats the "problem" :)
03:55.06kagarobeerke: when you perform a mining operation it checks to see if there was a note withing 8 yards of your current location and remove the notes around that spot and re-centers
03:55.37beerkeWell that does not remove notes that our outside map and never will be mined closed by
03:56.11Ordogsome more alpha on nodes you havent seen yourself would be usefull then i guess
03:56.13kagarono thats true, i did add a clear all notes option to cart today so you could purge a particular map quickly to reset it
03:56.15beerkeover time you could get inconsistent data due to bad imports, bad sharing or whatever
03:56.47beerkesetting a variable like a timestamp to last spotted can give you a fair idea over what is valid and not
03:57.51kagarobeerke: not rally unless you stand there for 4 hours and wait for a respawn otherwise it could be the case of someone got it before you got there
03:58.14beerkeIt also allows export outside, and create a DB from that based on all exports and you could purge and reimport data from a certain timestamp
03:58.46beerkewell time out on node could be a month even kagaro
03:59.23beerkeBut assuming you got active people in guild, that should make nodes updated in a reasonable time
04:00.14beerkeAnd you could purge all old nodes as well, instead only nodes for an area
04:00.38beerkeActually the more i think about it, the better the suggestion becomes :)
04:02.23beerkeWhat is the proper place to submit this suggestion even ?
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04:03.29kagaroput it on wishlist section for cartographer
04:04.52beerkehmm wishlist, not on the wiki page of cartographer, should i make a ticket instead ?
04:05.12mjcdeltron: about?
04:05.52beerkeow nvm, ound it
04:06.34jkwhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ev9ZhYiUs4g ><
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04:19.03CIA-1703ominous * r23062 10FuBar_RogueTimerFu/ (Core.lua icon.tga): FuBar_RogueTimerFu: - Icon now got from wow and not addon folder
04:26.18kagarohmm ok got about 75% of a gathering statistics module done
04:26.27Ominoushow come i cant make oRA LOD?
04:27.14ckknightOminous: probably because non-LOD addons reference it
04:27.41kagarobase release will just show best places to gather herb/ore as a side tablet, but time for bed i gota work tommarrow .. oh well 4days off was nice
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04:28.04kagaronight
04:28.20grennonfricken thaddius man
04:28.21CIA-1703toadkiller * r23063 10AutoBar/ (AutoBar.toc AutoBar.xml Core.lua):
04:28.21CIA-17AutoBar:
04:28.21CIA-17- IsUsableItem check added. Thanks turkoid.
04:28.21CIA-17- Back out the callback updates for buttons. This should fix the lag.
04:29.06grennonits always the "i dont need mods to tell me what to do" people that have to logout after4-5 wipes to get the friggin mod and slow you down even more
04:30.15Fisker-When that happens here the people who actually can play without the mods gets flamed :(
04:30.39Ominousany idea what addons refrence it?
04:30.43Fisker-I'm a rogue and people went totally "OMG" over that i didn't have Ekkbomb installed
04:31.05Fisker-So when we were on pre-twins trash they were like "omg you wiped ze raid"
04:31.29jkwEkkbomb?
04:31.36Fisker-Ok all melee are wearing NR gear, so it basically gives around 300 damage to them, i'm clicking cloak of shadows asap so max one tick and it was the ranged people who died
04:31.36jkwNever heard of and I play Rogue.
04:31.37Fisker-:(
04:31.39ZealotOnAStick<PROTECTED>
04:31.57Fisker-Some addon that makes a bigass popup when you get plague, bomb, whatever
04:32.07jkwWell, I have eyes.
04:32.14jkwNo need to get a chair-vibrator.
04:32.15Fisker-Because some ranged wiped the healers
04:32.19jkw:P
04:32.36Fisker-And then suddenly they had to go like "Hey you, you got ekkbomb?", uh no? "OMG YOU WIPED ZE RAID"
04:33.21jkw:P
04:33.38Fisker-And then when you actually install it
04:33.40jkwOnly my kid wipes raids.
04:33.46Fisker-It has this gay ugly font size 12497802516512
04:34.01Fisker-So i was like spending 5-6 seconds figuring out what the fuck it was
04:34.01jkwI go afk for 5mins, he runs to my computer and turn on auto run.
04:34.04Fisker-then i got flamed for not moving
04:36.17Ominousckknight: do you have any idea what addons may be refrencing oRA
04:36.23ckknightno
04:39.03Fisker-http://media5.curse-gaming.com/media/resized_images/750x500/10095.png <-you see? :(
04:40.45ThorgardFisker-, wtf is that evil crap? ;P
04:41.24ThorgardMore to the point, why would anyone ever need it? :/
04:42.15ckknightlol, Fisker-
04:43.03Gnarfoz_that's a good definition of "fugly"
04:43.11Benumbedis there an event that fires when you mount? or a way to check
04:44.46mjcbuff
04:44.47MentalPower|CodeIsMounted()
04:45.13jkwwtf is happening with our internet
04:45.17jkw:S
04:45.32MentalPower|CodeIsMounted(), IsFlying, IsSwimming(), IsIndoors(), IsOutdoors()
04:46.17BenumbedIsMounted() not working from what I seen
04:46.31Benumbedmaybe I got syntax error, shrug..
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04:47.31Kaeltenhi Mental :P
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04:49.43Kaeltenwow I speak and everyone is quite :)
04:50.19ckknight(everyone stay quiet, the party will resume after Kael leaves)
04:50.39Mimesisso there was this one time that we pulled shazz and geddon
04:50.40Mimesissame time
04:50.43MentalPower|Codehey Kaelten
04:50.54MentalPower|CodeKaelten: hows KC_Items?
04:50.59CIA-1703toadkiller * r23064 10AutoBar/Core.lua:
04:51.00CIA-17AutoBar:
04:51.00CIA-17-Uhm, like update the zip already
04:51.02Mimesisi blew people up with that bomb that time
04:51.07Mimesisbut we didnt wipe
04:51.44Kaeltenits coming along :)  I havn't had a chance to work on it since I came down to flordia though
04:51.44Thorgardtoadkiller didn't get the memo.
04:51.49Gnarfoz_but he's actually here, that doesn't happen that often, either
04:51.50ThorgardThe zips aren't updated post-commit anymore, are they?
04:51.55ThorgardBut on a set interval?
04:51.56Toadkilleruhm no, toad was swimming in warm caribean ocean...
04:52.25ThorgardToadkiller, way to make me feel bad. :(
04:52.25Mimesishrm
04:52.32Mimesisis there a command to pass leader in a raid
04:52.48Fisker-Thorgard the zip script is run every 20 minutes
04:52.49Toadkillerdont feel baD, it was actually just a sea
04:52.59Ominoushaste: are you here atm
04:53.05hasteyes
04:53.27Ominousdo you have any idea what addon may be stopping me from making oRA LOD?
04:53.56Gnarfoz_Mimesis: get sulfuron, golemagg, gehennas and garr and kill them at the same spot
04:54.15Mimesisgnarf: has that been done
04:54.19Gnarfoz_yes
04:54.30Gnarfoz_so, actually, you would have to take a fifth boss with you
04:54.35Mimesiskinda cool i guess, ultimately a waste of time
04:54.55Gnarfoz_http://zakuria.de/~smallbrain/qq.wmv if you wanna watch it, i've still got it mirrored there for some reason i don't remember
04:55.13Mimesiswe like to focus on killing bosses first in world, rather than making up challenges
04:55.17Mimesisdunno seems like fun tho
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04:55.49Gnarfoz_yeah, those guys were just bored, too
04:55.53ckknighthey cladhaire
04:55.59cladhaireheyas
04:56.10Gnarfoz_with BC coming and raid guilds breaking up all over the place
04:56.15Mimesisya
04:56.27Mimesiswe cant even get people online to kill kt
04:56.32Mimesisor start naxx for that matter
04:56.38Fisker-why would anyone think it's impossible to defeat ebonroc and flamegor at the same time? :P
04:56.43Fisker-the easiest bosses in the fucking instance :P
04:56.48cladhaireckknight: I'm not having any luck on the forums, Why not LGPL if you dont' mind my asking?
04:57.09Gnarfoz_Fisker-: yea, those two seem like the easiest choice, do they
04:57.10Gnarfoz_^^
04:57.34Fisker-you could probably offtank them during chrom ;D
04:57.39ckknightcladhaire: because from a pragmatic standpoint, I feel if everyone were to be open, then the open nature we have won't be shrouded in legal mumbo-jumbo
04:57.54ckknightcladhaire: fun note: If someone makes a derivative work based on GPL, the license does not need to be GPL. It only needs to be GPL-compatible. So, you can label your work as BSD, public domain, LGPL, or many other OSI licenses. This doesn't force GPL on people, it forces openness (which frankly, we already have, just not legally spelled out)
04:58.03cladhairecitation?
04:58.10cladhairelike i asked for =)
04:58.19ckknightcitation?
04:58.27cladhaireYeah, you're not a lawyer
04:58.30cladhairedo you have anything to back that up?
04:58.41cladhairebecause i'm interested in the implications of it, but not willing to accept it as side-hand information =)
04:59.02ckknightoh, hang on, there's an FSF document about GPL-compatibility
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04:59.37cladhaireI've been looking through everything, and that was not the case that I found, hence why I'm interested.
05:00.13ToadkillerIs this for posting on google's code site?
05:00.27cladhaireToadkiller: No
05:00.41Fisker-hmm Gnarfoz_
05:00.45cladhaireckknight: My point is, this license was specifically written for what you're doing, yet its being ignored entirely: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Lesser_General_Public_License
05:00.51Fisker-How are they tanking Garr with him in supreme mode?
05:00.59Fisker-Seems like H4X
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05:01.03Gnarfoz_Fisker-: supreme like 8 adds down?
05:01.05ckknightcladhaire: what about Qt?
05:01.10ckknightand MySQL?
05:01.11Fisker-yeah
05:01.14grennonmost licenses are overkill fro wow mods
05:01.14cladhairewhat about them?
05:01.15Gnarfoz_he really has no supreme mode, IIRC
05:01.23Gnarfoz_he just gets stronger with each add killed
05:01.24ckknightand other library and library-esque things that use GPL
05:01.26cladhairei.e. what were you responding to?
05:01.27ckknightinstead of LGPL
05:01.32Toadkillerhes not super supreme, he just hits a bit harder
05:01.50Fisker-Then they changed him :o
05:01.54ckknightcladhaire: I think a system where we force a system of openness is better than one where it's not expected
05:02.00cladhaire... because LGPL is GPL without the forced licensing on consumers.
05:02.25Toadkillermy first kill we were so noob we killed all his adds killed him with 3 people left
05:02.31Fisker-When we got surpreme once he spawned adds that exploded immediately for similar aoe damage as the firesworn adds do
05:02.41cladhaireckknight: I'll say this once, and then I'll be done with it.  It is not your right, nor your responsibility to force anything on the WoW Community at large, and either you are underestimating the implications of the GPL for Ace, or you are looking for some ideal that you have no right trying to create/enforce.
05:02.41Gnarfoz_huh? wtf
05:02.49ckknightwho's consuming? We make mods non-profit, in an already open system, I think people should be able to share between mods without hassle as long as there is attribution
05:02.54Sparhawkeclad you are my hero
05:02.56Gnarfoz_never had that and I've been killing that bugger since a year and a half
05:02.59Sparhawkethank you for PR 2.0
05:03.04cladhaireckknight: Any addon that uses is Ace is consuming Ace
05:03.06ckknightcladhaire: I don't see why I don't have the right...
05:03.12hasteOminous: I faded out, oRA2 is done by mostly by [Ammo] :)
05:03.15jkwwankisp
05:03.15Fisker-We've had him in surpreme once
05:03.16jkwbbl
05:03.18ZealotOnAStickHiya Kaelten.  Sorry, multitasking, though not very well right now.
05:03.20cladhaireBecause you're not the AddOn king?
05:03.22cladhaire*shrug*
05:03.23Fisker-And when he did that we had to kite him to death
05:03.24Ominoushaste: ok
05:03.35Fisker-But it was ok since the tank had a lot of threat
05:03.40ckknightright is granted on copyright creation
05:03.42Fisker-and the explosions did knockbacks too
05:03.51Fisker-So garr basically kited himself
05:04.01Fisker-Just had to remove melee dps
05:04.43cladhaireckknight: I just don't understand.. This isn't being helpful..
05:05.00Gnarfoz_what are you two on about, anyway
05:05.08ToadkillerDoes the blizz uela even allow yout to copyright a mod?
05:05.16Goebsomething strange... doin nef right now and everytime I have a buff added changed or removed, I freeze for a second and my increasing goes to over 300K/s
05:05.18Gnarfoz_it does not need to
05:05.18ckknightToadkiller: no, that's covered in the forum post
05:05.30ckknightGnarfoz_: I want to GPL Ace2 to alleviate any legal issues with code sharing
05:05.32Goebwhat's the easiest way to see what's scanning buffs?
05:05.43cladhaireckknight: There are no legal issues with LGPL
05:05.51Fisker-btw Gnarfoz_ know what guild it is?
05:05.57Gnarfoz_Fisker-: in the video?
05:06.10grennonGPLing ace2 is like putting a homing device on a yugo
05:06.14grennonway, overkill :-)
05:06.16ckknightcladhaire: but what about addons that use it? I don't see why they shouldn't use a GPL-compatible license as well
05:06.16Fisker-yeah
05:06.27cladhaireckknight: That isn't for you to decide
05:06.28Gnarfoz_because that's not your place to decide, I guess
05:06.31cladhaireIn my opinino.
05:06.39cladhaireSo why FORCE something
05:06.41cladhaireeducate, and empower
05:06.43cladhairedon't require.
05:07.01Gnarfoz_the author has the copyright anyway, GPL is not going to change that
05:07.12ckknightcladhaire: because it's better to appeal to a man's self-interest than his better nature, after all, he may not have one
05:07.17cladhaireGnarfoz_: GPL enforces the copyright more than anything.
05:07.22grennonwhen mozilla relicensed GPL from MPL, i got an email asking for my permissions to GPL my contributions
05:07.34grennonso if you do relicense, there is administrative overhead in doing so
05:07.44cladhaireckknight: This shouldn't be a moral quest, and if that's your reasoning, then its flawed.
05:07.50ckknightGnarfoz_: although the author retains copyright, if you are a derivative work of a GPL project, your project must be then GPL-compatible
05:07.55Gnarfoz_yes
05:08.03cladhaireMust be GPL
05:08.11ckknightcladhaire: it's not a moral quest, it's a pragmatic one to alleviate any legal issues.
05:08.12cladhaireyou still haven't cited the clause stating it can just be compatible.
05:08.17Gnarfoz_but still the author could dual license his code with another license anywhere he wants
05:08.19Fisker-did you say no grennon ?
05:08.24cladhaireckknight: THERE ARE NO LEGAL ISSUES WITH THE LGPL
05:08.28cladhaireso then it comes down to, why GPL over LGPL
05:08.34cladhaireto which you state osmething abotu man's best nature
05:08.38cladhairethus a moral quest.
05:08.46cladhaireWe're not debating BST/MIT/MysQL/GPL
05:08.52grennoni said yes, my contributions were for the ppclinux port, very small porting patches
05:09.12ckknightcladhaire: you either need to stop using caps and calm down or leave
05:09.18ckknightI'm finding the document you asked for
05:09.21ckknightso just hang on
05:09.38cladhaireI used a total of about 25 caps in the past 10 minutes, the bulk happening just now.
05:09.44cladhairebecause you're blatantly ignoring me, and that's frustrating.
05:09.48Fisker-I doubt it would've changed anything if you said no though grennon
05:09.57kenlyric<PROTECTED>
05:10.27grennonthey recoded your portions if you say no
05:10.49Fisker-Yeah and basically so could anyone else
05:10.57Fisker-But there's a limit to how different a function can be
05:13.04Fisker-oh grennon you're famous!
05:13.20Fisker-that movie Gnarfoz_ was talking about has your addon in it :O
05:13.28OrdogGnarfoz_: "Neugierig?" yes! no not really but my browser was so kind to insist on loading the file itself rightaway where i would rather save it somewhere -.-
05:13.39Ordog:)
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05:14.54MentalPower|CodeMy 2c, If a library is GPL'ed:
05:14.55MentalPower|Code1) Any derivative works (extensions, deletions, etc) HAS to be GPL'ed too
05:14.57MentalPower|Code2) Any application (AddOn) that uses (links to) the library HAS to be GPL compatible.
05:14.58MentalPower|CodeGPL Compatibility is defined here: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/license-list.html#GPLCompatibleLicenses
05:16.10Gnarfoz_Ordog: odd, that sounds like my server is misconfigured (i.e. telling your browser the wrong MIME type)
05:16.49Fisker-Worked fine for me
05:17.02Fisker-hmm
05:17.04Ordogqq.wmv (video/x-ms-wmv object) seems ok
05:17.10Fisker-Haven't slept for like 30 hours now
05:17.14Fisker-more like 40 probably
05:17.23Gnarfoz_yeah, that should be ok, but only if your browser knows what an x-ms-wmv object is
05:17.24Gnarfoz_:D
05:17.40Fisker-btw
05:17.42Gnarfoz_I should get some sleep, too ~_~ work in 2 horus
05:17.43Gnarfoz_*hours
05:17.44Fisker-my garr supreme mode
05:17.47Fisker-NO
05:17.47Ordogits buffering -.-
05:17.52Fisker-http://www.wowguru.com/movies/garr--supreme-mode-id68/download/
05:17.53Fisker-^^
05:20.36Fisker-you GET IT Gnarfoz_ ?
05:23.36Gnarfoz_watched it just now
05:23.45Gnarfoz_looks pretty old, from the gear worn
05:24.06Fisker-yeah it probably is
05:24.07Gnarfoz_but DM was in, at least that looks like a Crescent Key in the inventory
05:24.16Fisker-But it's a very long time since we took Garr too
05:24.22Gnarfoz_nevermind there being the possibility of other items with the same inventory icon
05:24.27Fisker-I think that was before DM :P
05:24.42Fisker-Dunno if he changed
05:24.50Gnarfoz_nothing is impossible, I guess
05:24.55Fisker-It's generally stupid to put creatures in any kind of enrage, supreme, etc. mode
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05:25.36Fisker-y helo thar
05:26.02nymbia~flee
05:26.11purlACTION runs away screaming
05:26.21Fisker-FLEE MORTAL, FLEE BEFORE I LOSE ALL SENSE OF CONTROL
05:26.48Gnarfoz_yea
05:26.53Gnarfoz_I need the german one as my ring tone
05:27.11Gnarfoz_but most likely the dub sux (like it does everywhere else in the game)
05:27.18Gnarfoz_http://worldofraids.free.fr/bc/diagramm.jpg <- I like that. :O
05:27.32Gnarfoz_http://worldofraids.free.fr/bc/diagram.jpg actually
05:28.10nymbiaeasy.
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05:39.38CIA-1703nymbia * r23065 10PeriodicTable-2.0/PeriodicTable-2.0/PeriodicTable-2.0.lua: PeriodicTable-2.0: Added shaman totems to their reagents. (any other changes that'd make your life easier in Baggins, don't hesitate to ask)
05:45.34andremarnymbia: this might already be supported, and I just having a hard time finding it, but is there some way to select everything alchemy-related? herbs + fish'es etc?
05:46.06nymbiai know theres a good one for it since i'm using it.. one sec
05:46.29andremaraha
05:46.32nymbia"Tradeskill Mats - Alchemy"
05:46.48andremarok, cool :p
05:46.49andremarthanks
05:46.52nymbiasure
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05:53.52XuerianWhat's the purlism to leave a message for someone that gets delivered next time they log on? :P
05:54.15ckknightalright, I added a post to the GPL thread on why we shouldn't go with LGPL instead.
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06:01.54CIA-1703gagorian * r23066 10DrDamage/ (DrDamage.lua DrDamage.toc ReadMe.txt SpellData.lua):
06:01.55CIA-17DrDamage:
06:01.55CIA-17-Added druid spells and talents (report errors). A few improvements here and there.
06:02.26mjcGagorian: cool I'll test it tomorrow ;:)
06:02.46Gagoriangood :O
06:04.49mjcis there a method to track mob dps and whatnot somewhere? I want to find out how much damage I would take from each mob etc. mathematically
06:04.54mjcin or out of game
06:05.32cladhaireDoes anyone have any suggestions how to handle range checking for melee characters, and Warlocks/Mages actually?
06:05.34CIA-1703next96 * r23067 10ColaLight/ (4 files):
06:05.34CIA-17ColaLight:
06:05.34CIA-17- More Localization
06:05.34CIA-17- Update locale koKR
06:05.39cladhaireshoudl I just include a box where you can input a spell to use
06:06.12nymbiacladhaire: range checking.. for praid?
06:06.16cladhaireaye
06:06.29cladhairei limited it to healers for ight now, since they all have their 40 yard spells at level 1
06:06.30cladhaire=)
06:06.58nymbiacladhaire: mages use any 30-yarder, remove lesser curse is fine.  locks.. 30 yards as well.  (devour and blood pact are 30 yards right?)
06:07.09mjcmages have talents to do 41y
06:07.17cladhaireThe issue is what to do before they've learned those spells =)
06:07.22cladhaireand rogues/warriors are my worst nightmare
06:07.25mjcfireball is 30y
06:07.28cladhairebut i would want to know who is around me in those cases either way
06:07.37ZealotOnAStickYay.  I got UltraEdit 32's WoW Lua highlighting to not annoy the hell out of me.
06:07.40ckknight40-yards?
06:07.44ckknightnot 30-yards?
06:07.46nymbiamjc: but as raid members are concerned, every single thing you can cast at a friendly is stuck at 30 yard.
06:07.52mjcyeah
06:08.02mjcZealotOnAStick: emacs ftw
06:08.07cladhaireckknight: Healers are 40 yards
06:08.12ckknighthrm, okay
06:08.27ZealotOnAStickmjc: die
06:08.28cladhairehelps with AOE fears, etc =)
06:08.35nymbiamjc: fireball changes with level.  untalented it's 30 at rank one and goes up to 35 after 2 or 3 ranks, i think.
06:08.47ZealotOnAStickcladhaire - lock range is really touchy, and depends on the application, and talents.
06:08.58anenigmaya fireball at 60 is 35yards untalented, 41 talented.
06:09.56ZealotOnAStickCould be 20 to 24 yards for Fear, or up to 36 yards for talented damage dealing spells.  :/  Would user-configurable with a 30 default for locks be an option?
06:10.16cladhaireZealotOnAStick: What I was planning for non-healers was just a text box that lets you choose a spell
06:11.07cladhaireThat way a warrior could use Shoot, or Charge, etc.
06:11.07ckknightcladhaire: cool feature I added to Dewdrop: if you drag a spell to the editbox, the text will change to the spell's name
06:11.25Fisker-Nice
06:11.29Fisker-Jack Harkness is a gay omg
06:11.31ZealotOnAStickThat would probably work, it works off the IsSpellInRange (or whatever the func is called) for that listed spell for that character, so talent modifiers and such would automatically be accounted for?
06:11.42ckknightFisker-: who's that?
06:11.50CIA-1703gagorian * r23068 10DrDamage/ (DrDamage.toc SpellData.lua):
06:11.50CIA-17DrDamage:
06:11.50CIA-17-Added hybrid spell coefficients for moonfire and regrowth.
06:11.51Fisker-Character in Torchwood
06:11.56ZealotOnAStickPrimary character on Torchwood . . .
06:11.57Fisker-(british tv show)
06:12.06cladhaireZealotOnAStick: Thats correct
06:12.07ZealotOnAStickand a bit character for a couple of Dr. Who season 1 episodes.
06:12.18ZealotOnAStickas Torchwood is a spinoff of Dr Who
06:12.29Fisker-Dunno if you can call it that
06:12.45ZealotOnAStickGiven that Torchwood wouldn't exist without the Doctor . . . what would you call it?
06:12.58ZealotOnAStickDo you know why they had Torchwood as a name in use in the new show?
06:13.16vid`is torchwood any good?
06:13.16Fisker-Well that's what i meant :P
06:13.18vid`i love dr who
06:13.23Fisker-Wouldn't call that a spin-off though
06:13.28vid`i have like all of season 1 downloaded
06:13.32vid`cause we dont get it in the us
06:13.38vid`havent watched yet tho
06:13.59Fisker-It's okish to good i guess :P
06:13.59ZealotOnAStickI've watched 5 or 6 episodes, it's ok so far.  I thought the Cyberchick one was kinda lame.  Though it did have a cyborg fighting a pteranadon . . .
06:14.12ZealotOnAStickwhich is a good and fun moment all in itself.
06:14.31Fisker-But i thought Torchwood was made by some of the Doctor Who creators and then implented in the story
06:14.34ZealotOnAStickback on topic: cladhaire: that sounds like a good solution to me.
06:14.37Fisker-But i guess it's the same thing
06:14.51ZealotOnAStickTorchwood is an anagram for Doctor Who.
06:15.06cladhaireZealotOnAStick: k k.. I may have mages as Fireball by default, Warlocks as Shadowbolt
06:15.15cladhaireits rogues and warriors that are the main issue =)
06:15.19Fisker-But the season finale showed Doctor crossover omg!1
06:15.37ZealotOnAStickWhen they were working on pitching the new series to the BBC, they didn't want news of it getting around, so they had everything labelled as "Torchwood" on the correspondence back and forth, the scripts, etc.
06:15.38Fisker-I definately like the Doctor Who/Torchwood crossovers :P
06:16.09Fisker-Generally or just for Torchwood?
06:16.14vid`i was surprised @ how they ended dr who
06:16.16vid`last season
06:16.19ZealotOnAStickThey liked it used it in the series.
06:16.45ZealotOnAStickI'm a bit disappointed.  I really, really like(d) Billie Piper.  She reminds me so much of one of my ex-girlfriends.
06:16.51vid`lol
06:16.59vid`yea but it wasnt just her
06:17.03Fisker-She reminds me of a girlfriend i'd like to have
06:17.03vid`it wa slike every char is gone now
06:17.13vid`they got rid of every main char
06:17.17vid`except the doctor
06:17.18vid`lol
06:17.18Fisker-I liked Eccelston(or whatever)
06:17.22Fisker-But Tennant is cool too
06:17.36ZealotOnAStickYeah, I like the Eccleston Dr.  Too bad he was only 1 season.  :(
06:17.39Fisker-should be a 2 doctor show :P
06:18.31ZealotOnAStickcladhaire: works well enough as anything.  
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06:19.58Fisker-They've just started a new doctor who spinoff it seems though
06:20.05Fisker-The Sarah Jane Smith adventures
06:20.09Fisker-Sucks sofar though :P
06:20.14ZealotOnAStickAt least the Daleks will be back.
06:20.14vid`http://www.metro.co.uk/news/article.html?in_article_id=30910&in_page_id=34
06:20.15vid`wow
06:20.28Fisker-daleks win
06:21.05BarbanusAnyone have a good working substitution for linkloot?
06:21.19CIA-1703kergoth * r23069 10kEnergy/addon.lua: kEnergy: reset the tick cycle upon losing the cat form buff, to ensure no outlying tick time value is generated from the shapeshifts.
06:21.38vid`Barbanus: ludwig
06:22.16ZealotOnAStickgas cooker blows up island?
06:22.50Fisker-fucking win imo :P
06:29.13grennonim watching "the three doctors" right now
06:31.25kergothhm, click2cast is nice.  certainly not as convenient to work with as clique, but nice
06:31.43cladhaireits hot for very simple things.
06:32.08kergothi like that it can bind keys to stuff too, though you'd have to keep around spellbinder or something to bind use of items anyway, so not that useful
06:32.27cladhairei like some of the binding addons that exist.. really neat stuff.
06:32.58kergothi'd still honestly like to see one clean interface to key binding in general, both the stock blizzard stuff and the binding to spells and such
06:33.10kergothone clean interface to it all, instead of many.  too easy to lose track of whats binded to what
06:33.13kergothimo
06:33.42cladhaireI think people are still pushing to get something as the default UI/keybinding interface.
06:34.13kergothyeah well, cant say i'm too confident in blizzard ever doing it
06:34.13grennonany when theres a sledgehammer to do the job. people will still insist on specialized tools
06:34.18kergoththe addon selection interface still sucks ass
06:34.20kergothfor example
06:34.40cladhaireoh yeah
06:34.41cladhaireits horrid =(
06:35.01kergothshould be able to select a block of them, almost tabular interface, enable/disable all selected addons
06:35.06kergoththen you could actually do a binary search for a problem easily
06:35.13kergothselect first half, disable
06:35.13kergothetc
06:35.16kergothbut whatever
06:35.29grennongive me a mail UI that looks like an actual email client blizz
06:35.42andremartoo bad addons cant change anything before you get ingame :p
06:35.43cladhairethe mail ui + ct_mailmod is fine with me =)
06:35.53kergothi never liked ct_mailmod's bulk mail interface
06:35.58kergothtoo limited, fixed # of slots
06:36.06kergothbulkmail had it right imo, though it wouldve been better in a mail tab
06:36.08andremargive me a sorted enchantlist by default blizzard, give me searching in tradeskillwindows (typeaheadfind for instance :p)
06:36.30kergothgod, i cant seem to trim down my addon set
06:36.35kergothevery time i go and delete some stuff
06:36.38kergothi find myself adding other stuff.
06:36.43grennonct_mail works fine for most peoplel, people doing guild banking or just with tons of mailbanking really need buljmail though
06:37.00kergothbulkmail's rules for automated sending based on pt sets and stuff spoiled me
06:37.02kergothhehe
06:37.09kergothbut yea, more than most need
06:37.24cladhairehehe
06:39.44grennonwhen i add the gmail_bulkmail mod, it will add more slots than the ct_mailmod one but still look like it since thats what people are used to
06:40.12grennonand if people dont like it, they can add their own bulkmail module that uses Postal easily once i get its sending functions done
06:40.23cladhairenice =)
06:40.29cladhairei'v e been keeping an eye on it =)
06:40.54grennonwhat i did figure out is that taking an item from a mail results in two mail inbox update events and two bag_updates
06:41.16grennonim not sure what the first bag_update is, but the second one is when the item actually appears in your bag
06:41.44grennonso a purely atomic versions of blizzard's own takeinboxitem just has to listen for the second event call to know that its done
06:42.17grennonat least mail is fun to work with in a reverse-engineering kind of way
06:42.35grennonturn on a bunch of events, open, close, delete some mails and see what fires
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06:45.32ckknighthey Kaelten
06:45.51Kaeltenhi
06:46.07KaeltenI'm going to let the wife play wow for a bit
06:47.48Soullesshow do you type special characters? i want to use Æ’ in a text field, but it doesn't show up in it, bad font maybe?
06:49.02ckknightSoulless: use UTF-8 and make sure you're using a proper font
06:49.52Soullessdo i need to use any funky codes or anything? or can i just copy/paste it straight up?
06:51.58CIA-1703totalpackage * r23070 10Capping/localization.lua:
06:51.58CIA-17Capping
06:51.58CIA-17- deDE localization update
06:52.51FryGuyya i like bulkmail better than gmail :(
06:56.06grennoni do too
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06:56.40grennonbut my friends and guildies like ct_mailmod
06:56.45grennonso here i am
06:56.49grennon:-)
06:57.02ckknighthey Tekkub
06:57.10Tekkub:P
06:57.26ZealotOnAStickgrennon, is yout new gmail going to have something like Mailto's dropdown-box for frequently used addressees?
06:58.08grennoni dont really want any savedvariables to be honest, but i might look at it
06:58.51grennonright now the autofill last mailed works in branch, but it doesnt save between sessions for instance
06:59.30ZealotOnAStickOk, I'll wait and see what you're at by the time I feel I'm "done enough" with Voyeur.
06:59.54toddI'm not seeing party pet frames in aguf, am I the only one experiencing this?
06:59.55grennoni downloaded that to take a look at tonight when i get time
07:00.22ZealotOnAStickMailto or Voyeur?
07:00.24grennonoriginally, most inspect mods were removing range check and allowing cross faction, which is what the original goodinspect was
07:00.42grennonso im curious to see what modern inspect tweakers do
07:00.50grennonmost of the good stuff wont work anymore
07:01.03ZealotOnAStickIt's fairly close to the original goodinspect so far.  Goodinspect was really just a hack of Blizzard_InspectUI
07:01.16ZealotOnAStickCross-faction of course won't show gear.
07:01.41grennonit was nice back when it did and i was trying to get my arena grandmaster trinket
07:01.58grennoni always knew how many guildies to call to the arena stealthed :-)
07:02.02ZealotOnAStickYeah, I miss that, but Blizzard pretty well killed it.
07:02.49ZealotOnAStickI need to take a better look at InspectUI and my code and figure out why the window is closing when it does sometimes now and fix that, then work on the temporary item caching.
07:03.34CIA-1703nirek * r23071 10Evpsets/Evpsets.lua: Evpsets: Add Hunter blue set
07:04.06ZealotOnAStickthen see what I can do to optimize/speed up things a bit with acehook or so forth, and then pretty well consider things done.
07:05.47AelielZealotOnAStick: if it helps any in terms of possible functionality, I would murder for something like SuperInspect lets me do - hit the keybinding or type /inspect on a NPC, and see its model (and be able to zoom in/out, rotate, etc)
07:06.30Aelielit's technically not inspect-related, but :P
07:06.47ZealotOnAStickZooming in and out: not likely.  Basic "inspect" of creeps: maybe.
07:07.23Aelielmkay
07:07.40kergothit wouldnt surprise me if CloseUp added that. it says it enhances numerous models, adding panning/zooming to the dress frame, etc
07:07.50kergothworth looking into anyway, could probably add it to it easily
07:07.55ZealotOnAStickI'm not looking to write a competiion for SuperInspect.  I just basically missed GoodInspect enough to try to cobble together a modern version.
07:08.47Aelielunderstandable. I just wouldn't mind something to replace SuperInspect with, it's a bit clunky... but what I love of it is the functionality to see mobs too, so :|
07:14.55neeneeYup, taking a look at bosses and new mobs from a distance is something I enjoy as well.
07:15.15neeneeI never zoom, I do rotate though
07:15.18ZealotOnAStickWe'll see.  Lemme get my intended functionality working to my satisfaction first, then I'll consider additional stuff.  I very much want to shy away from anything that would require actually replacing the inspect frame with one like SI's,
07:15.35neeneeoki :)
07:15.51kergothfyi
07:15.55neeneeIndeed, first make what you intended in the first place
07:16.00kergothi was correct, CloseUp does indeed alter the model view in the inspect frame
07:16.30kergothhttp://ui.worldofwar.net/ui.php?id=2237
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07:27.59CIA-1703sayclub * r23072 10FuBar_RogueTimerFu/Locals/koKR.lua: FuBar_RogueTimerFu: - Update locals koKR
07:28.20xlviidoes anyone know of an addon / can make an addon that lists materials needed for a tradeskill simply? for example, for a strong trolls blood potion, it would show: 2 [Bruiseweed] + 2 Briarthorn = 1 [Strong Troll's Blood Potion]
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07:30.13ZealotOnAStickManufac has a bit where it can link out the recipe for an item.
07:30.28Solehay ho
07:30.43ZealotOnAStickI also recall seeing something called "ChatMats" that might have something to do with that?
07:35.58CIA-1703grennon * r23073 10/branches/GMail/ (. GMail.toc GMail_Forward/ GMail_Forward/GMail_Forward.lua): GMail: Added AceOO, Added GMail_Forward Stub
07:41.47CIA-1703grennon * r23074 10/branches/GMail/GMail.toc: GMail: AceOO has Os and not 0s
07:42.13kergothhehe
07:43.45neenee:)
07:44.06neeneeAlways use a font which has the / in zeros :)
07:45.04kergothindeed
07:45.17kergothi hate the fonts that use a dot in the zero instead of a /
07:45.30kergothstill better than no dot, naturally, but..
07:45.32kergoth:P
07:45.42neenee:)
07:46.00hasteoO
07:48.11kergothhmm, buffq looks nice
07:54.14ckknightkergoth: what are you planning on changing?
07:55.13kergothstill throwing ideas around, not sure yet other than cleanup and improving the in code documentation and ease of use
07:55.36ckknighthrm, okay
07:56.26kergoththinking about better introspection features, easier distinguishing between data and code (perhaps) to ease object serialization..
07:56.55kergothmeh
07:56.59kergothdepression ftl
07:58.01Fisker-holy shit :D
07:58.14ckknight?
07:58.17Fisker-http://img.4chan.org/b/src/1167723338586.gif
07:58.19ZealotOnAStickPapal Privy?
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07:58.52Funkeh`heya
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07:59.40ZealotOnAStickUhm, ok, and about that bankrupty filing scan ?
07:59.52kergoth"I have long been of the opinion that if work were such a splendid thing the rich would have kept more of it for themselves."
08:00.05grennondo people really want a mod that empties their inbox, but takes 5 seconds per transaction?
08:00.37kergothheh, i'd rather use expressmail and click each if itd take that long when automated
08:00.40Fisker-ZealotOnAStick halturnershow.com
08:00.51Fisker-The person in the bankrupty filing is his wife :P
08:01.51Funkeh`grennon: are you calling it GMail or GMail2
08:01.58kergothi wonder what the best approach would be to doing a better incarnation of luadoc
08:02.08grennonill probably call it KarlMalone
08:02.31kergothi know the #lua folks have a C lua parser thats outside of lua itself that could probably be used, if it can keep the comments around
08:02.40Funkeh`call it anything i just hope you don't call it GMail
08:02.49ckknightwhat's the big deal, Fisker-?
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08:03.21Funkeh`is anyone else having problems with curse gaming? its taking me about 5min to load
08:03.24ckknightFisker-: oh....
08:03.44grennonthe name is already trademarked, hence why google moved gmal off gmail.com to mail.google.com
08:03.50grennonthey dont own the name
08:03.52neeneeI had problems with it before, that it was a horribly slow site
08:04.25neeneeBut it's not slow here now
08:05.14CIA-1703grennon * r23075 10/branches/Postal/Postal-1.0.lua: Postal: Fix Mails with an Item but no text that autodelete
08:05.58Funkeh`grennon: i was just enquireing since you called it GMail in the branches
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08:07.36sylvanaarmorning
08:07.47Sole~seen Kaeltan
08:08.06purli haven't seen 'kaeltan', Sole
08:08.06grennoni was thinking about BlizzMakeMailBetterPlz as an alternate name
08:08.06Solewtb kael :(
08:08.14SoleYES YOU HAVE!
08:08.22Sole~seen Kaelten
08:08.30purlkaelten <n=chatzill@24.96.227.37> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 1h 22m 23s ago, saying: 'I'm going to let the wife play wow for a bit'.
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08:08.54SoleI have a nice suggestion for him :(
08:08.56neeneeIs there an easy way to filter out/block the spit emote? I don't wish to see it myself.
08:09.01Solefor a KCI module
08:19.03xlviiwhat is the cheapest way i can get a 60% mount..? i'm looking at getting an undead horse. what faction discouts, etc. can i get as of 2.0? ;_;
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08:23.49kergothckknight, the cart bwl map is pretty hokey now, i think its showing multiple levels on top of one another. the old non-minimap based one at least showed the sections seperated slightly, so it was intelligible
08:24.01ckknighthrm.
08:24.30ckknightmaybe I can work out a way to show different levels in different sections or something.
08:24.44evlcan I just say?
08:24.44evlhttp://worldofraids.free.fr/bc/diagram.jpg
08:24.52evlHoly shit there's a lot of content?
08:25.13Fisker-If we ever get to raid content considered the heroic instances requirements :P
08:25.20Fisker-Unless they've been nerfing them
08:26.02ThraeGahhh! Bugsack is saying my addon is giving errors where it can't give an error!
08:26.15evlmobs in heroic only hit for around 15k non-crit
08:26.29evlbut you remember what they said about Rag being impossible before new level cap? ;)
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08:27.56Dhragamorning all
08:28.30ckknightmorning.
08:28.57ThraeOK, I fixed three LEGITIMATE errors. But these other errors are silly.
08:29.01neeneeGood morning :)
08:29.08ThraeOh wait...does Bugsack take into account comments?
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08:29.58sylvanaarthis error is kinda innocuous but AceDB prolly shouldnt throw it: [2007/01/02 02:26:19-1610-x1]: FuBar-2.0.22732\FuBar.lua:1513: AceDB-2.0: Cannot copy from profile "Default", it is currently in use.
08:30.02sylvanaaroops
08:30.09sylvanaarthat was supposed to be a pastey
08:30.52sylvanaarhttp://ace.pastey.net/4355
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08:34.13pastamancerevl: only 15k?
08:34.37evli dunno, nobody has been hit harder yet i guess
08:34.59pastamancer15k sounds totally survivable ;_
08:35.10pastamancers/;_/;)/
08:35.24pastamancerhmm, is purl lagging?
08:36.16haste~ping
08:36.18purlpong
08:36.35Thraepastamancer: I believe you needed to escape something there.
08:37.18pastamancerThrae: *shrug* it's late and I've been drunking
08:37.38Thraehttp://ace.pastey.net/4358 <-- why is 503 saying I'm trying to compare a number with nil?
08:38.05neeneeHm. Is there a way to have Cartographer show the name of locations I mouseover?
08:38.25nymbiaThrae: which line is 503?
08:38.37pastamancerI see no 503 :(
08:38.47ThraeErr, line 57
08:39.27ThraeIt only makes sense to me if percentage is nil, which it can't be...
08:39.52CIA-1703sayclub * r23076 10Click2Cast/Click2Cast-koKR.lua: Click2Cast - Update locals koKR
08:41.22kergothneenee, what do you mean?
08:42.00ThraeGah! The whole world's gone crazy!
08:42.12pastamancercould db["ThresholdLowMana"] and DEFAIlT_ThresholdLowMana both be nil?
08:42.17ThraeI'll just fix the bugs I can see and hope that fixes the invisible ones.
08:42.40Thraepastamancer: No, DEFAULT_ThresholdLowMana is declared top-level as 0.4. I just copy&pasted to make sure they're spelled the same.
08:43.07Thraepastamancer: The only other thing I can think of is that percentage is nil, in which case my if is malformed, but GVIM is parsing it fine.
08:43.11kergothdamn, wonder why buffalo takes up so much ram, think i'll stick to elkbuffbar :P
08:43.56Thraekergoth: Buffalos always like to ram, it's their mating ritual!
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08:44.01kergothhehe
08:44.13pastamancerThrae: well, the indenting on the pasty is a bit off
08:44.26pastamancerI think at least
08:44.34Thraepastamancer: Blame pastey.net!
08:44.38pastamancerlol
08:44.48pastamancerI blame tabs vs. spaces
08:44.53neenee:)
08:45.07pastamancerbut that's another discussion enirely (at least for non emacs users :p)
08:45.43pastamancerlines 29-30
08:45.46pastamancerwhere's the end?
08:46.33xlviiwhat is the cheapest price i can get a uh.. 60% mount for, with training?
08:46.47Thraepastamancer: There we go -- GVIM uses 2 tapstop
08:46.54ThraeRefresh
08:47.09yacoobtapstops?
08:47.18yacoobtiny pauses done while you tapdance?
08:47.24pastamancerboo tabstops
08:47.32pastamanceremacs gets it right :p
08:47.41pastamancerM-x indent-region
08:48.26Thraepastamancer: Look at the next in the thread, line 63
08:48.58ThraeEven pastey.net seems to agree my if..end is fine. This all USED to work before 2.0.
08:49.02pastamancerhmm, percentage should be in-scope there
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08:49.29pastamancerout of curiosity, what's with the _G.UnitMana()?
08:49.42Thraelocal _G = getfenv(0)
08:50.03pastamancerwell, I was more wondering why you had your own UnitMana
08:50.17ThraeIt nets you the global table.
08:50.49ThraeNo, _G.UnitMana() is equivilent to getglobal("UnitMana")() in this case, except an extremely tiny bit faster.
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08:51.10pastamancerah, ok
08:51.24ThraeAsk ckknight, he started me using _Gs.
08:51.49ckknightactually it's not an extremely timy bit
08:51.53ckknighttiny*
08:51.56ckknightit's quite a bit
08:52.02ckknightdue to what getglobal does...
08:52.10ckknightyou avoid a whole function call
08:52.22pastamancerI'd local UnitMana = UnitMana myself
08:52.28ckknightyea, me too
08:52.36ThraeI already ran out of locals
08:52.43ckknightif you're using globals, use UnitMana instead of _G.UnitMana anyway.
08:52.57ckknightfaster
08:53.16Thraeckknight: Aren't they equivilent? They were in 5.0.
08:53.26pastamancerIIRC _G.UnitMana vs. UnitMana (as a global) UnitMana saves you the lookup of _G
08:53.35ckknightthey are functionally equivalent, but not bytecode equivalent
08:53.47Thrae_G is a local, though.
08:53.54pastamancerfoo.UnitMana vs. a global UnitMana is still a table lookup
08:54.22ckknighteven if _G is local, the local check is slightly slower than not dealing with it at all
08:54.24pastamancerbut the global saves you a local variable reference IIRC
08:54.27ckknightfeel free to run some tests
08:54.36ThraeMmm, I see.
08:56.05pastamancerluac -l is your friend
08:58.17ThraeWell _G was annoying people anyway.
08:59.43pastamancerThrae: I guess it's time to add some debugging printfs
09:01.12ThraeEh, I'll release a fixed version and see if the errors go away. It might have something to do with that nil index I just fixed.
09:01.27KemayoSo _G is faster than getglobal, but should only be used if you'll have to get a function/variable whose you've constructed as a string?
09:01.37Kemayo"whose name", that is.
09:02.25oxman:)
09:02.38pastamancerKemayo: that sounds right
09:02.45jaetemeh, code optimization is always such a messy mess :]
09:02.50pastamancera table lookup is faster than a function call
09:03.12pastamancerbut a local lookup + a table lookup is slower than a global lookup
09:03.20pastamancererr a local reference
09:03.39jaeteso tell me, is it bad to do the ace library instances as "local AceThing = (etc)" or should one do "MyAddon.AceThing = (etc)" instead?
09:04.08kergothputting it your addon object gains you nothing, and just slows down accesses due to the extra table lookup
09:04.31jaetebut but... the coding tips page on the wiki said to avoid globals!
09:04.39ckknightjaete: use locals
09:04.39kergothlocal AceThing is not a global
09:04.43kergothits a local, by definition.
09:04.47jaetelol. gotcha ;)
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09:05.22jaetei guess i've never actually used globals then. obvious in retrospect tbh :]
09:05.41Thraejaete: in C/C++ terms, it would roughly be a static (assuming non-circular linkage)
09:05.51jaeteanyway, that's all i was about to ask about code optimization. everything else is clear <3
09:06.12Thraejaete: In terms of scope alone
09:06.23pastamancer<PROTECTED>
09:07.12jaetemeh, i thought there was something else i needed to ask about how to make my addon rock more, but it seems there isn't
09:07.43jaetejust need some boring calculations which need to be empirically verified, but that's not unclear, just takes work ;)
09:08.11pastamancerunit testing?
09:08.20CIA-1703thrae * r23077 10VitalWatch/VitalWatch.lua: VitalWatch -- Fixed a few obvious bugs, which will hopefully fix the invisible ones. Also removed redundant use of _G.
09:08.26pastamancerI'd kill for junit for lua
09:08.49krkaeasy enough to write unit tests for lua
09:08.53CIA-1703thrae * r23078 10VitalWatchOptions/VitalWatchOptions.lua: VitalWatchOptions -- Removed redundant use of _G.
09:09.20ckknightpastamancer: it's pretty easy to make unit tests...
09:09.29pastamancerckknight: yeah, but I'm lazy
09:09.43ckknightone issue is that a lot of tests would be graphical in nature
09:09.45ckknightwhich is not easy.
09:09.51jaetepastamancer, nah, i'm writing a competitor for DrDamage, some of the spell damage coefficients and things aren't quite known
09:10.02pastamancerah
09:10.40jaetesilly gagorian started his project something like 20 hours before i did. ;) however, there are some philosophical differences in our code, which is why i'm continuing with mine
09:11.08ZealotOnAStickwhat sort of philosphical differences?
09:11.10jaeteeventually, when i get around to adding all the spells gagorian has, we will (maybe) see if all that philosophy makes any difference at all ;)
09:11.14ThraeThe only thing I don't like about WinRAR is that it doesn't seem to exclude directories.
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09:11.33jaetehe calculates stuff on demand, i calculate stuff and cache results and update only when needed
09:11.48sylvanaarcurney rearranged the source and for some reason modules are failing without errors
09:11.49jaeteand he has a theorycraft-like talent table system, whereas mine are just hardcoded
09:12.18pastamancerwell, if you don't have philosophical differences, what differences do you really have
09:12.40jaeteas in, for me, if spell.school == "Fire" then c = c * (1.0 + self.talents["Fire Power"]) end etc
09:12.53jaetefor him it's some kinda generic loop thru the generic table and so on ;)
09:12.57ZealotOnAStickWell, I hadn't noticed any sort of hit from DrDamage on my main machine, but it's a beast.  Yours would, in theory, be less of a hit?
09:13.22jaetemaybe, in theory, tho mine might use more memory... maybe
09:13.40ThraeThere's no problems with recursive table usage!\
09:13.48jaetehis will use the same amount of memory on each update, mine will use precisely X memory all the time ever, where X doesn't change
09:15.10CIA-1703kemayo * r23079 10FuBar_QuestsFu/QuestsFu.lua: FuBar_QuestsFu: Pay more attention to disposing of tables cleanly.
09:15.26jaetethe bad thing of course is that it will look kinda bad when you first load the addon, as it all gets allocated then ;)
09:15.55jaetebut it should then never allocate stuff again
09:15.58CIA-1703kemayo * r23080 10FuBar_ToFu/ToFu.lua: FuBar_ToFu: Clean up 'disabled' functions in aceoptions table.
09:16.13ThraeKemayo: Do you think you could fix the bug in the default UI which causes the tracker to pop up when you complete a quest? It also causes QuestFu's tracker to pop up as well.
09:16.28CIA-1703kemayo * r23081 10FuBar_KungFu/KungFu.lua: FuBar_KungFu: Pay more attention to disposing of tables cleanly.
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09:17.34KemayoI don't know if I'd call that a bug, per-se.  Auto-tracking adds quests to your tracker when their status changes -- if you completed a quest, its status has changed.
09:17.39pastamancer<PROTECTED>
09:17.56ThraeKemayo: But I don't see a way to turn it off in Interface Options.
09:18.10CIA-1703kemayo * r23082 10Quixote/Quixote-1.0/Quixote-1.0.lua: Quixote: Pay more attention to disposing of tables cleanly.
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09:18.19ThraeI could have overlooked. Lemme check.
09:18.24sbumorning
09:20.01KemayoThrae: Interface options, under "Display", "Auto quest tracking" in the right column.
09:20.28ThraeYep, I am indeed blind. Nevermind.
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09:21.56dafiremoin
09:24.27neeneemorning ;)
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09:31.20CIA-1703pastamancer * r23083 10Grid/GridCore.lua: Grid: trigger a layout reload when changing from one BG to another. Untested though, who knows what this will break.
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09:54.04DhragaAny lua coder that would be interested in joining a development team for a new DKP addon (all theother areas like formulas, msql, java, php is covered) we'r currently only missing a lua coder for the IG client. Anyone that could find that interesting ?
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10:02.21Solehey ck you around?
10:02.41ckknightyep
10:03.32FtH|eagleckknight: did you get my screenshot yesterday about the item list in cartographer?
10:04.03ckknightFtH|eagle: the loot stuff?
10:04.39Soleck: my brother just gave me a suggestion which I thought Id run by you
10:04.53ckknightk
10:05.16Soleck: firstly, there is this website: http://www.mrfixitonline.com/albums/index.php?album=%2Fwow_hordelvl%2F&image=00-MFOHordePowerLevelingGui.jpg
10:05.24Soleclick on a zone name for a map of that zone
10:05.33SoleSTV: http://www.mrfixitonline.com/albums/index.php?album=wow_hordelvl&image=35-StranglethornVale.jpg
10:05.53Soleit shows where the objective for each quest is
10:06.34FtH|eagleckknight: yes, I wondered if it's correct like that, because the frame is much higher than the actual list display
10:06.37Funkeh`Sole: i hope your not suggesting adding all those places as notes :P
10:06.46ckknightFtH|eagle: it's a tablet bug
10:07.02Solenow that site doesnt have all zones finished but how about a Cart module which  shows those maps , kinda like InstanceMaps
10:07.03FtH|eaglealright
10:07.03ckknightSole: you're asking for a knowledge base module
10:07.40Solein a way yes, not necessarily using those maps...maybe we can find some better and more complete ones but Im merely talking about the concept
10:08.06ckknightwhat maps?
10:08.12ckknightmaps with POIs on them?
10:08.18ckknightwhy not just make notes instead?
10:08.22Solehttp://www.mrfixitonline.com/albums/index.php?album=wow_hordelvl&image=35-StranglethornVale.jpg
10:08.27Solelookit, you wanna make those noteS?
10:08.39Solethats a lot of freekin notes
10:08.56ckknightit'd be better than having hackish images
10:09.04ckknightmore robust
10:09.35Soletrue but then the user would have to hover over each point to find which quest it represents?
10:09.54Soleunless the module added a list to the side of the map with the legend
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10:10.29ckknightthat's quite easy to do now
10:10.35Solethats true
10:10.47ckknightyou know the instnce loot side tablet? that's very modularly accessed
10:11.13Soleyep
10:11.13Funkeh`i like cartographer, in all truthfullness i prefered it before it had all the gatherer alternative stuff. i don't think adding something like that would be the right way to go
10:11.20SoleI was thinking something along those lines
10:11.46Solewell Funkeh, hence the word modules :)
10:11.57Funkeh`id rather see the word external modules more often
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10:12.56Solewell its just a suggestion
10:13.19ckknighti kinda want to separate the addons out into separate modules eventually, btw
10:13.48Soleso you want to move Cartographer_Mining/Herbalism into modules also?
10:14.46evlBTW
10:14.54Funkeh`i think the only thing in the actual addon should be the basic stuff it start3ed with and instancemaps/loot
10:14.59Funkeh`everything else should be external
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10:15.03evlSometimes running Cartographer and bringing up the world map it hides the game interface when i press M again
10:15.16evlso I have to press alt-z to show it
10:16.34Funkeh`evl: strangest bug i have ever heard of
10:16.52evlhappens atleast a couple of times a day
10:16.53kergothFunkeh`, uh, _herbalism/_mining are already seperate addons.  is that not enough for you?
10:17.37Funkeh`i never said they were not?
10:17.51kergothyou said you preferred cart before the gatherer alternative type stuff
10:17.55kergothwell, the gathering stuff isnt part of cart
10:17.58kergothso i fail to see your point
10:18.16Funkeh`theres still gathering stuff in the actual mod
10:18.17Adirellea quick question to some lua-guru wandering here : what is the effect of table recycling ? i feel it is usefull, but i can't get the point
10:18.21kergothno, there isnt.
10:18.33Funkeh`proffesions
10:18.36kergoththeres the professions module, which is a generically useful loader of LoD addons based on what professions you ahve.
10:18.39kergoththats all.
10:18.43kergothnothing bound to gathering whatsoever
10:18.51ckknightAdirelle: I'll field this one
10:18.59kergothyou could create an addon with X-Cartographer-Prof: First Aid and itd load that if you have that prof
10:19.03Funkeh`well my point was i prefered the view on cartographer as a map addon, not a gathering addon
10:19.10kergothand _professions isnt gathering.
10:19.25ckknightAdirelle: basically, recycling prevents repeated creation of tables. If you don't recycle, then you create a new table every function call, let's say
10:19.43ckknightif you do recycle, you have one table that you use repeatedly, thus not wasting any large amounts of memory
10:19.57krkatable recycling is useful to avoid halting the game with garbage collection cycles in lua 5.0 and earlier. with lua 5.1, it's mostly unnecessary.
10:19.59ckknightit's especially crucial for functions fired repeatedly and/or in an OnUpdate
10:20.08ckknightno it's not, krka
10:20.11ckknightno it's not _at all_
10:20.15kergothkrka, thats not the case. there are numerous addons where table recycling within an addon is a very, very good thing
10:20.37ckknightkrka: incremental GC is not a magic bullet
10:20.41krkai know
10:20.43ckknightit still creates churn
10:20.51ckknightand recycling is important to prevent it
10:21.01krkaof course, there's a threshold value for size of tables, where clearing a table is cheaper
10:21.16ckknightI wish the incremental GC was better, but it's not, so recycling is really the best option we have
10:21.26kergothsize of tables isnt the critical issue, generally, its how many tables are created, and whether or not its in a critical codepath (i.e. onupdate)
10:21.52krkathe size of the table is what determines if it's better or not to recycle it
10:21.58jaetewhy would making temp tables every time ever be the better solution?
10:22.08krkai guess current memory size factors in aswell
10:22.12kergothkrka, bullshit.
10:22.24jaeteif you have some kind of update() that uses a table, shouldn't you always make a MyAddon.table, then clear it, reuse, etc? :]
10:22.47ckknightkrka: kergoth's right
10:22.48krkawell, to clear the table you have to loop through it and nil the entries. if there are many entries, garbage collection is faster
10:22.58ckknightno, that is completely false.
10:23.07jaetei never really understood why one should make local variables within functions at all, if you're trying to cut down on the number of memory allocations
10:23.11ckknightgarbage collection is more crucial in that case
10:23.21krkai ran some tests with commandline lua earlier and those agreed with me
10:23.38ckknightjaete: local variables are extremely lightweight and they're recollected at the end of a function call
10:23.59ckknightkrka: you gotta remember that commandline is not WoW and we can't arbitrarily choose GC times.
10:24.02kergothkrka, all the size of hte talbe determines is how much processor will be needed to do the recycling, not whether the recycling is necessary.  how much churn you're producing in what period is more of a factor than knowing what the tradeoff for it is.
10:24.47jaetehm, you mean the lookup for a local temp table is much less than the lookup for a object member table? so much that it overweighs the cost of allocating and deallocating a temp table every time?
10:25.30jaeteof course i don't really know how big a deal allocating and deallocating stuff is compared to looping thru and nilling everything or whatever ;)
10:25.32krkatables are neither local or global, only variables can be
10:25.44krkaa variable can reference a table
10:26.22ckknightjaete: accessing a local/upvalue is faster than referencing a table member.
10:26.34jaetebut yeah, for stuff like local c = 1 it's probably best to use locals instead of self.c = 1. :p but i was thinking of tables and other heavier stuff
10:26.50ckknightuse locals whenever possible
10:27.14ckknightclass members if you can't
10:27.18jaeteckknight, of course it is, but what's the difference between allocating then deallocating, and just nilling existing?
10:27.20ckknightand in the worst case, globals
10:27.32nevcairielckknight: GloryLib reports wrong Battleground weekends for European Realms.
10:27.43ckknightjaete: for tables? the table stays in memory until GC
10:27.50ckknightnevcairiel: down with you Europeans!
10:27.55nevcairiel:P
10:28.01jaetei would think (<- note: don't have any facts really ;p) that allocating + deallocating is much worse than looping thru existing class member and nilling it
10:28.16ckknightvery true, jaete
10:28.19HealthI got the right weekends in battlegroundfu at least
10:28.24ckknightthat's what recycling's all about.
10:28.53krkain my tests, it depends on how many elements you need to nil
10:28.53jaeteso um, "use locals whenever possible" means "use class members not locals whenever possible"? :]
10:29.25ckknightyou totally took what I said and just threw it out the window, didn't you?
10:29.39jaetemeh i'm confused
10:29.48Adirellejaete : try in that order : locals > class members > globals
10:29.51ckknightckknight> use locals whenever possible
10:29.51ckknight[12:27am] <ckknight> class members if you can't
10:30.13jaetewith the allocating + deallocating comment i was referring to locals
10:30.28jaeteand i thought you just said locals are worse than class members
10:30.33krkahm, aren't class member lookups and global lookups about the same speed?
10:30.37ckknightI never said that
10:30.40dafirenevcairiel: honorfu is showing the correct weekends for me on eu realms.. don't know if it uses glory
10:30.42Adirellethat's two separate topics I think
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10:30.47ckknightkrka: globals are slightly faster, actually
10:30.56krkai see
10:30.59ckknightkrka: but there's chance for pollution, and it's bad practice
10:31.07krkaagreed
10:31.13Adirellethere is also a change for conflict
10:31.19Adirelles/g/c/
10:31.27jaeteso, allocating a local, then (automatically) deallocating that local is worse than just nilling an existing class member, yes or no?  <- that's what i meant to say :]
10:31.36nevcairieldafire: its wrong. next weekend is Arathi Basin, and it shows no weekend for me. does it show AB for you?
10:31.43krkayou don't allocate and deallocate local
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10:32.19krkaa local is just a slot on the stack, basically
10:32.34dafirenevcairiel : uhm.. no not now .. but maybe its a calendar issue .. i'm sure it showed it correctly last week
10:32.55fireglowjust before i start: is there a registerable event when you are promted for BGs?
10:32.56Adirelle@jaete : talking about tables, you should recycle in critical path whenever you use locals, class members or globals ; for any other type of data, locals are better
10:33.55fireglownvm, found it
10:33.59fireglowgreat wiki you have there -.-
10:34.14Adirelle*plus, niling locals is pointless
10:34.18nevcairielits always the same in EU, AV -> WSG -> AB -> nothing -> AV -- etc
10:34.26nevcairielprolly the same in US
10:34.30nevcairielbut shifted to other weekends
10:34.30nevcairiel:D
10:34.50dafirei'm sure it showed arathi for next weekend last week .9
10:35.28Adirelleisn't it a difference in how first week of year is determined in EU and US ?
10:36.59nevcairielguess i will have to remember the order, or remember to check the website :D
10:38.00WobinIt shows up in BGFu when in a BG
10:38.01Adirelle@nevcairiel : how do you lock buttons in BT ? Blizzard original code ?
10:38.08Wobiner when in a queue
10:38.18CIA-1703gagorian * r23084 10DrDamage/ (DrDamage.lua DrDamage.toc):
10:38.18CIA-17DrDamage:
10:38.18CIA-17-Forgot to add druids to the actual supported classes list.
10:39.02nevcairielAdirelle: there is a Lock Buttons option, try looking at the options :P
10:39.32AdirelleI meant "not where the option is", but "how does this function works" :P
10:39.48nevcairielits just a variable
10:40.08nevcairielbasicly like blizzard does it, only with my own stuff
10:40.30Adirelleso shift+drag still work
10:40.50nevcairielcould be
10:41.19Adirelleit is... and well, I think i'll have to move my push-to-talk key
10:41.36[Ammo]push to talk on middlemouse ftw ;)
10:41.51Matrix110pft middlemouse=blink!
10:42.13[Ammo]blink while talking
10:42.14[Ammo]imba!
10:42.39nevcairieli use ctrl :D
10:42.56nevcairielon the edge of the keyboard = best
10:42.57Adirelleerf.... i use ctrl to switch pages on some bars :)
10:43.10WobinI use the Fn key
10:43.10Adirelle(plus special behavior in some macros)
10:43.12Matrix110i would use Mouse 6 or 7
10:43.22Wobinhurrah for obscure laptop keys
10:43.34nevcairielI wish i could natively bind my extra G15 keys
10:44.26Matrix110well just bind those keys with the software to a button like Pase Pos1 PageUp/dwn and then bind them
10:44.34Matrix110*Paus
10:44.38Matrix110*pause
10:44.39Matrix110omg
10:44.44ckknightI'm contemplating doing a craigslist experiment.
10:44.44nevcairieli know
10:44.47nevcairielbut it sucks :)
10:45.13Healthexperiment?
10:45.15ckknightanybody thought of/done that?
10:45.31Healthin what way?
10:45.35ckknightHealth: posting as someone else, examining the results, possibly posting them in a public forum/wiki
10:45.50Neriakis anyone in game and can do a /print index ? I found a global, but I don't know from which addon it is.
10:45.59Gagorianlocal table = {}; function DoStuff(); --does stuff; table.A = stuff1; table.B = stuff2; table.C = stuff3; return table; end; What happens to that table between and when the function us run again?
10:46.03ckknightlikely something horribly raunchy and degrading
10:46.08nevcairielindex is 1 for me
10:46.13GagorianAnother function gets that table from the return
10:46.14Neriakmine says 11
10:46.15HealthScary!
10:46.44WobinI get 6
10:46.54NeriakSo how the fuck do you find a global ... a  RegEx on index in addon dir does spit out too many
10:47.17Wobinignore any reference to local index?
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10:48.29Hjaltei get nil
10:48.42Matrix110same nil aswell
10:49.10nevcairieldoes it really matter if you have that var ? :D
10:50.00Neriakonly if i'd be also using a global index ;)
10:50.08Neriakbut it sucks though hehe
10:50.09ckknightNeriak: don't do that :-P
10:50.24[Ammo]hmm seems Greater Nature Protection Potions are not under potions in PT-2.0
10:51.39nevcairieladd it ? :)
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10:52.47Hjalte[Ammo]: It's also not under elemental protection potions, if you feel like adding ;)
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10:53.28Industrialhi.
10:54.05evlWhat's the chances servers will be stable and up on TBC releasedate? :P
10:54.43HjalteThrae: Hmm. In vitalwatch the low health is 20 and the critical is 40.. Hmm. Should i correct it myself or does the addon work correctly?
10:54.54doktoreashi to all
10:55.05Wobinhai2u
10:55.21Matrix110evl yes why should they be unstable
10:55.28Wobinevl: about 1 in a million =P
10:55.41ckknightevl: a bajillion
10:55.44Matrix1102.0.3 is working on PTR with TBC and non TBC accounts
10:55.46ckknightout of how much, I just don't know
10:56.00evl<Matrix110> evl yes why should they be unstable <- in what alternate universe are you living in
10:56.12evlRemember US launch?
10:56.15evlEU launch?
10:56.19evlslight hint: FUBAR
10:56.25Matrix110i remember Daggerspine times...
10:56.28evlRemember 2.01 patch? FUBAR
10:56.30Matrix110(eu)
10:56.35Matrix1102.01 worked good
10:56.40Matrix110besides the downtime
10:56.42Matrix110^^
10:56.48evlYeah, I loved iceskating around in BGs with 2-3 seconds delay
10:56.48Matrix110but 2.0.3 isnt that big of a patch
10:56.56evlWtf?
10:57.00Matrix110no lag here with 2.0.1
10:57.06evlAre you aware of how many people are going to unfreeze their account for TBC?
10:57.13evlWe're talking +50% server population
10:57.31Matrix110the only problem that i can see is that Outlands server crash...
10:57.50evlI can see another problem, account servers going to hell, same with login servers :)
10:58.00Wobinoh man
10:58.04Wobinthe poor login server
10:58.04Matrix110but Daggerspine when WoW started was such a pain the little problems now arent that annoying:P
10:58.22Matrix110i had to do SM 8 damn times because the server crashed in the middle of it
10:58.35HjalteThrae: http://ace.pastey.net/4363
10:58.41Matrix110dont want to start about Zul Farrak...
10:58.48Matrix110server crashed 3times while the zerg event
10:59.12Matrix110or Server crash when you used Battle Standard in MC...
10:59.26xlviiwhat is the cheapest price i can get a uh.. 60% mount for, with training?
10:59.39WobinFree
10:59.45Wobinif you're a lock/pally
11:00.21[Ammo]hehe
11:00.28[Ammo]I got my Charger on Bubblehearth yesterday
11:00.29[Ammo]yay
11:01.50SoLoR<Matrix110> or Server crash when you used Battle Standard in MC...
11:01.53SoLoRhahaha
11:02.13Matrix110we were raiding with Guardians back then!
11:02.17SoLoRye we used battlestandards on ragna and server crashed :P
11:03.25Matrix110hated Daggerspine back @MC time-.-
11:03.28Matrix110so many Server crashes
11:03.52SoLoRi miss daggerspine :(
11:05.00doktoreasis there an addon for screenshoot that save pics in a "normal" way?
11:05.07HjalteOminous: Hey, you here?
11:05.58Industrialdoktoreas: unpossible. look for ConvertShots.exe
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11:07.45Adirellebefore 2.0, I wrote an addon that put a raid symbol (usually skull) on the player who has aggro
11:07.57Adirellei'm thinking of rewriting it with ace
11:08.19Adirellebut i'm asking myself about its functionnalities
11:08.44doktoreasIndustrial, thx mate
11:09.41oxmanBigWigs already do that
11:09.42oxman;)
11:09.44SoLoRAdirelle no real value imo, in raid instances in 80& of time if someone else then MT gets agro he is dead anyway
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11:10.05DhirmadiGood morning all
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11:10.25SoLoRAdirelle and its silly when boss target random people with abilitys that skull jumps from 1 to another like crazy :>
11:10.33Adirelle@oxman : it only does for special events (bombs, vael) or did I missed something ?
11:10.38CodayusSoLoR: Well, there's a few situations where it might be handy...ummm...Ebonroc!  :-)
11:11.00CodayusAnd...well, that's the only one that springs to mind, actually, but still.
11:11.01Adirelle@SoLoR : it's quite handy when the MT has to switch their aggro
11:11.08oxmanAdirelle with other event do you want ?
11:11.12HajitorusIs there an easy way to anchor (for example) bt3's action bars to the centre of the screen?
11:11.13CodayusAny fight with MT switching in general, I guess.
11:11.31CodayusHmm, a couple fights in AQ20 too.
11:11.34SoLoRthats why we have TOT! :)
11:12.03CodayusAnd ToToT.  :-)
11:12.20SoLoRye :> well could be usefull for some
11:12.25SoLoR1 less "bar" to watch
11:12.28Adirellewait
11:12.48CodayusOTOH, I use Grid for raid frames with an aggro indicator in the top left of each frame.
11:12.56CodayusWhich is, basically, the same thing, no?
11:13.04Adirelle@Solor : about random switch (generally linked to spell casting or special abilites) : it has an "switch delay"
11:13.44Adirellemoreover, it alerts in /RS when MT aggro change (to help healers focus their heals)
11:14.11Dhirmadianyone in here knowlegable about Cartographer?
11:14.23SoLoRAdirelle well i guess its possible, i just know in old days with ct_raidassist when i had agro warning turned off at ONY that agro warning whined constatly when i got fireballed
11:14.25Adirelles@/RS@/RA/
11:15.00CodayusSoLoR: Smarter coding would easily fix that issue.
11:15.12SoLoRye i know
11:15.14Adirelle@Solor : that's why i added an switch delay : someone should have aggro more than, say 1 ou 1,5 seconds, to be "aggro-tagged"
11:15.17CodayusHowever, it'd mean you'd have a built in lag.
11:15.21SoLoRand i would learn to ignore anyway :)
11:15.35Adirelleand well, with the new spellcast events,  i think there are way to make it smarter
11:15.35Mikmahello
11:16.15Adirellewell, it's not perfect, but it was still of some use
11:16.22CodayusHeh, I ran across an addon for rogues that automatically feinted if you gained aggro, vanished if feint was on cooldown, and triggered evasion of vanish was on cooldown.  :-)
11:16.30Adirellebecause lots of people doesn't activate ToT
11:17.46SoLoRAdirelle ye i guess, people are just lazy! ;> i know about people that play without raidassist mod just because they dont feel like installing it...
11:17.48Ominoushjalte: yes
11:17.51SoLoRsigh :(
11:18.23Adirelle@solor : i know, that's why I created this addon
11:19.01HjalteOminous: Assisters tooltip plugin is messing with tinytips location :( I removed the tooltip plugin file and that solved the problem, but it's going to be back when there's updates
11:19.30AdirelleSoLoR: i also play with people that are quite good at playing their class in raid but don't like addons...
11:19.42Ominoushjalte: what do you mean
11:20.20Adirelleforgot to say about this addon : it doesn't put symbol on targets of *every
11:20.57Adirelle+* mobs, but only of the one you choose either the one marked by a hunter or a mob wth another symbol
11:21.19HjalteOminous: With assister loaded, i can't position the tooltip with the addon tinytip. I didn't try turning assisters tooltip plugin off and then reloading the ui though.
11:21.59Adirelleas long as someone in the raid target this mob, it will update
11:22.09Ominouswell that isnt really surprising tbh
11:22.42Adirelle/w oxman you're french, no ?
11:22.45Adirelledoh
11:22.51Adirelletoo long i used IRC :D
11:22.54oxmanOui
11:22.55oxmanxD
11:23.49oxmanun dedibox user xD
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11:25.51Adirelle@oxman: not really, i'm using the dedibox of a friend as ssh proxy to go through my company firewall (irc is blocked but ssh is allowed)
11:25.53oxmanok
11:25.54oxman;)
11:26.43HjalteOminous: Okay, got a real bug report now. The tooltip plugin for assister is impossible to turn off. Even with no tick in the toggle option, would assume it is then turned off, the tooltip defaults to the anchor. If i tick the toggle option and then untick, it seems the plugin is turned off, but after a reload ui it is turned on again.
11:27.23Ominousoki ill hav ea look
11:27.27Wogroipl~_icetrain
11:27.40Industrial~emulate Industrial
11:27.42purlIt doesnt matter if you win or lose, until you lose.
11:27.53Wogroipl~seen _icetrain
11:28.01purl_icetrain is currently on #wowi-lounge (5d 24m 50s) #wowace (5d 24m 50s), last said: 'the looter has to have an ace addon running though'.
11:28.21Ominoushjalte: sigh i am stupid :P in OnEnable settingsMoveTooltip.profile.on = true not sure why
11:29.04HjalteOminous: No problem :) Do you think that will also allow another addon (like tinytip) to take over tooltip management, even with assister installed?
11:29.14Ominousyes i am working on that now
11:30.18neeneeHm. Does anyone know which Blizzard setting might interefere with Alt-click casting using Click2Cast?
11:30.55Wogroiplneenee: the auto-selfcast option?
11:31.16WogroiplI know you have to disable that if you use clique
11:31.38neeneeHow do I disable it?
11:32.08Wogroiplin interface options I think, haven't had a chance to log on yet :)
11:33.01neeneeHm
11:33.09neeneeI can only change the keybind there, but that doesn't help me
11:33.30Hjalteneenee: above the binding, there is a tick/untick thing
11:33.42neeneeAh, I already have that unticked
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11:33.58neeneeBut for some reason alt+clicking does not work for focus
11:34.21WogroiplIt does fo the other unitframes?
11:34.29Wogroipl*for
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11:35.09neeneeIt works ifne
11:35.11neenee*fine
11:35.58DrZootif I want to change the options table while the mod is running what is the best way to do that? just make the changes and call :RegisterChatCommand with the new options table?
11:36.03neeneeHm.. and now it works
11:36.10neeneeBut it didn;t a moment ago
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11:43.53neeneeYes, I have that unticked.
11:43.58neeneewoops
11:45.10phyberNeriak: you think it would be possible to use a clickable Tablet for the bookmarks menu in Fence?
11:45.24phyberI'm tired of fighting with Dewdrop to get it to accept my validate list.
11:45.59phyberso, I may just make it a clickable tablet, if you click the bookmark, you do the search.  if you shift-click the bookmark, you delete it.
11:47.17phyberif you want to manually add a bookmark, you can add through the current dewdrop which has an "Add Bookmark" option.
11:47.34phyberand at the bottom of the tablet, there will be a "Bookmark Current Search" option
11:47.44phyberwhich adds whatever is in the text field in the AH browse.
11:48.03phyberunless someone feels like fixing the current dewdrop in Fence_Bookmarks. :)
11:49.22Mikmahmm
11:49.29MikmaDrDamage has a "unsupported" bug
11:55.15dafirehmm.. is there a way to find out what's in a table if you just have the number ? sometimes I get a table:1223141 entry in teksupport which take a lot of time in its onupdate handler
11:59.22Ominouscan you call self :ToggleModuleActive(module) from a module or do you need core :ToggleModuleActive(module)?
12:01.52DrZootanyone know if blizzard are doing maint this week? or are we having another live maint?
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12:08.56evlDrZoot: Live I think since they have to get that running before the expansion
12:09.03DhragaHave anyone had any random freezes in raids latley ?
12:09.07Mikmaengineers around?
12:09.11MikmaGoblin or Gnome?
12:09.12evlIf you run the background downloader now you get the 2.0.3 patch
12:09.19evlDhraga: people raid? lol
12:09.28evlMikma: gnome
12:09.54Mikmaevl: you think it's better?
12:10.03Dhragaevl, screen freeze up to 10 sec or som random in raids / BG's
12:10.14Dhragasom=so
12:10.52evlMikma: Goblin has mostly consumables which sucks cause you never ever have time to keep the suppl yup
12:10.53nuOHEP_evl, we killed azuregos yesterday :p
12:10.57evlMikma: I ditched engineering for TBC
12:11.37evlMikma: Only gnomish battle goggles + teleporters are viable, and considering the AMAZING new stuff the other profs give, it really cooks down to Engineering has always been and will always be for "fun"
12:11.59Mikmaevl: ok thanks for the info :) Gnome it is then
12:12.04evlI mean, just look at the alchemy trinket.
12:12.13evl+15 all stats and +40% from potion effects
12:12.23Dhraga~seen xuerian
12:12.40purlxuerian <n=core@12-196-151-106.psknet.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 6h 18m 48s ago, saying: 'What's the purlism to leave a message for someone that gets delivered next time they log on? :P'.
12:12.41evlAnd Jewelcrafting giving very good trinkets and rings + you can socket everything
12:12.47evlMikma: I have a guide 1-300 in <2hours if you want
12:18.02[Ammo]not <2 hours including farming the mats :p
12:18.06evlAH
12:19.02evlI just skilled mining to 300, it's f*cking hell.
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12:19.06evl2 days more or less
12:19.08evlof constant farming
12:23.33Mikmahaha! everytime i /rl i get kicked out from wow
12:23.45neeneeHm. How do I bind Bartender3 keys?
12:24.06CIA-1703ominous * r23085 10Assister/ (4 files in 2 dirs):
12:24.07CIA-17Assister:
12:24.07CIA-17-added option to hide party frames in group
12:24.07CIA-17-fixed move tooltip bug
12:24.07CIA-17-added option to disable move tooltip if another addon is enabled
12:24.21Dhraganeenee Keybindings i pressume
12:24.24Mikmaneenee: blizzard config
12:24.39neeneehm#
12:25.08neeneeYes, but which buttons? Action bars? Or in the BT3Blank sections>
12:25.16neeneeahyes, blank. oki
12:25.30CIA-1703sylvanaar 07sylvanaar * r23086 10Prat/PratX/: Prat: Unknown modifications to dependancies
12:25.51CIA-1703mikma * r23087 10ag_UnitFrames/ag_Defaults.lua: ag_UnitFrames: layout tweaks of ToT and ToTT
12:26.24sylvanaarsee yall later
12:26.37Dhragacya Sylvanaar
12:27.31neeneeHm.. I use WIM, it's an Instant Messenger thing with windows andsuc, but for somereason my whispersdo not show up in that anymore. I use prat too, so I was wondering if there was a whisper-related change in Prat which might have caused this problem?
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12:31.32Mikmabtw i hope ag doesn't assrape me for tweaking the layout
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12:32.06DhragaMikma, did you add the round texture btw ?
12:32.26MikmaDhraga: yeah
12:32.32Dhragais it still included ?
12:32.59DhragaI saw someone asking where it went
12:33.19Mikmait should be in
12:33.30Dhragamikma, okies
12:33.42Mikmahttp://dev.wowace.com/wowace/trunk/ag_UnitFrames/Images/Bars/Round.tga
12:33.44Mikmathere it is
12:33.58DhragaMikma, great thanks =)
12:34.02dafiresomething is resetting my keybindings since yesterday
12:34.05dafirei hate that
12:34.48DhragaSo no one have had any addon related screen lockups latley ?
12:36.47DhragaGuess not then :(
12:37.05dafirewah .. another reload now my chat settings are resettet .7
12:39.16Dhragadafire, sounds annoying
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12:41.34dafire^^#
12:42.10Ominousis it possible to find out if a unit is a player if you just now the name
12:42.22Ominouss\now\know
12:42.26oxmanno :)
12:42.34Mikmadear lord
12:43.10Mikmahttp://www.thottbot.com/beta?i=17121
12:43.54axxomats are harsh
12:44.58TheKarnOminous, yes
12:45.00dafirewinter event is over
12:45.07dafirehe took his presents and disappeard ,)
12:45.25OminousTheKarn how do you do it as i can only find out doing it with needing a unit such as target
12:45.28Mikmahe got shot to the moon!
12:46.34TheKarnOminous afaik you can use "playername" instead of "target"
12:46.42DrZoot:( looks like we are having maint tonight
12:46.47OminousTheKarn i thought i triied that
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12:47.37OminousTheKarn: UnitIsPlayer("Ominous")":1: Unknown unit token: Ominous
12:48.24TheKarnhmm
12:48.31TheKarnyou can target outside of raid
12:48.40TheKarns/raid/combat/
12:49.21Ominousyes but it will be used in combat
12:49.53TheKarnwhat are you trying to acheive?
12:50.22Ominousmake a bar not show up if the person the buff fades from is not a player
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12:57.44TheKarnif you're only using it in party/raid you can loop through the raid/party members to see if the name is listed, if it is then it's a player and show the bar
12:57.48TheKarnif its not then dont show the bar
12:57.52TheKarnas it's not in thr raid
12:57.59TheKarnthats the best you can do
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13:14.37Ominousif you only need a table to generate a menu on load should you do table  = nil after?
13:16.16krkayes
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13:26.13neeneeEgh, some addon broke WIM for me, it no longer shows any whispers :|
13:26.21neeneeIt's not prat as I feared though
13:28.30neeneeIt's some Ace addon though, as they are the only ones I update.
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13:29.39Hjalteneenee: I stopped using wim. It seems to have problems with some ace addons :-\
13:29.44neenee:(
13:29.48neeneeDo you use anything instead?
13:30.19HjalteA combination of heyfu and assister
13:30.43neeneeWhat does assister do?
13:30.57neeneeI really liked the windows :|
13:31.05Hjalteamongst other things, it can display your whispers in the rwf in the middle of the screen
13:31.18neeneeah.#
13:31.26neeneeNo real alternative to the windows then
13:31.54Hjalteneenee: try chatr maybe?
13:32.41neeneeTried it, but I think it looks very ugly
13:33.35neeneeI'm enabling my addons in groups now to see which addon causes the problem
13:34.07Hjalteneenee: there's also http://wow.curse-gaming.com/en/files/details/2030/forgottenchat/
13:34.40neeneeI thought that was broken with the last patch?
13:35.18Hjalteneenee: Me too, but this version seems to work. Havent tested it though.
13:35.38neeneeok
13:36.08neeneealmost narrowed it down
13:36.24evlcurse-gaming.com = borked unstable crap
13:36.34vid`http://www.thottbot.com/beta?i=17715
13:36.35vid`wow
13:36.37vid`thats crafted?!
13:36.44vid`lol
13:37.20neeneeI fear it is prat afterall
13:37.23neeneeone moment
13:37.45neeneeokay, not prat
13:37.59neeneeit's either simpleminimap or spamsentry, the latter is not an ace addon
13:38.09neeneespamsentry woo
13:38.28Industrialstring.gsub > prat
13:38.31Industrial:P
13:39.00neeneehm?
13:39.15Industrialnever mind, its just retartedly big
13:39.27neeneeok
13:40.07Hjalteneenee: Hehe, i just read in the comments to wim on ui.worldofwar that wim has problems with spamsentry. "wim work without spam sentry (anti spam mod), but with spam sentry, wim don't work prefectly"
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13:40.29neeneeI'll remove spamsentry for now
13:40.31neeneeAh
13:40.33neenee:)
13:40.52neeneeI'll just disable it for now then, at least it's known
13:41.29neeneeIt's not a vital addon, I just like doing my bit against the evil gold sellers.
13:41.48vid`Dhraga: it wont let me pm you
13:41.54vid`for some reason
13:42.03Dhragahmm try now
13:42.08vid`but yea i was freezing from clique
13:42.27DhragaSo your freezes is totally gone now then ?
13:42.32vid`i upgraded to newest ver of clique and noticed it was spewing debug messages in chat
13:42.49vid`saying it couldnt update raid buttons in combat or something everytime someone would join/leave bg
13:42.59vid`so i disabled clique and stutters were gone
13:43.11vid`and no more freezing @ end of bg's etc
13:43.20vid`im using click2cast right now instead
13:43.33DhragaDid clique ever make you freeze in battle ?
13:43.42vid`not until like 3-4 days ago
13:43.53vid`not sure if its another mod i was running or whatnot
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13:43.57vid`in combination with clique
13:44.20Dhragaok, I'll remove it also, but I'm afraid that sone other addon I use might be bugged als
13:44.24Dhraga*also
13:44.28vid`well just try to disable it
13:44.30vid`and go into a bg
13:44.36vid`thats what i did
13:45.00DhragaI disabled clique, and I havent had a freeze since, but a hunter mate of mine still gets em with clique disabled /shrug
13:45.07vid`ithe stutters were only about a second long, i would miss em if i wasnt actively moving
13:45.21vid`only time it was REAL noticable was when BG ended and everyone leaves
13:45.25vid`i would freeze like 20 sec
13:45.28vid`and thats gone too
13:45.30[1]DrZootanyone know where i can find torrents for the 2.0.3 patch data
13:45.48vid`so it def was clique. not saying its a prob with clique, it could be another omd conflicting but that was the prob for me
13:45.49CIA-1703ominous * r23088 10FuBar_RogueTimerFu/ (6 files in 3 dirs):
13:45.49CIA-17FuBar_RogueTimerFu:
13:45.49CIA-17- Changed DR
13:45.49CIA-17- Added Remorsless Attacks (maybe?)
13:45.57Ominousdno, but blizzz updater is fine apart from it is using all of my bandwidth
13:46.07vid`k im out, work :\
13:46.11Ominousoh, sry u mean live dont u?
13:46.20Dhragathank you for the info Vid`, I'll poke around a bit (might have to go back a verision number on my compilation and start over :P)
13:46.22[1]DrZootyeah i mean live
13:46.39[1]DrZootmy bliz updater refuses to download at anything more and about 1k a second
13:47.06[1]DrZoots/more and/more than/
13:47.59Hjalte[1]DrZoot: You mean background downloader, dont you? It has a limit, to allow gameplay at the same time.
13:48.51[1]DrZootI have my background downloader set to only download when Im not playing, so I dont think it limits itself
13:49.50Hjalte[1]DrZoot: As far as i know, the background downloader always limits itself. Only the blizzard downloader goes full speed.
13:49.52DrZoot2ive got to learn how to use the irc commands
13:50.07DrZoot2Hjalte, ahh, kk
13:51.16Ominousdoes anyone have any idea what addon causes oRA not to be LOD?
13:51.23Ominouseven if you add the LOD tag
13:54.04bindihmm is ag_unitframes bugged? :p
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13:56.19bindinvm, installed older version, works again
13:57.45Ominousdo the koreans ever come on here?
13:58.35hillbillywhere do you report bugs when the bugbag suggest you report it
13:59.09Ominousforums? trac?
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14:01.05hillbillyi'll need to look into this, does bagrabber wtie a file or do i have to cut and paste the error mesg?
14:01.29Ominouscopy paste, but i think there is an option
14:01.34hillbillyk
14:01.42Ominousto save
14:02.26Kaeltenhi guys
14:04.24Ominoushey
14:04.33Ominous[Ammo]: are you here atm
14:04.59CIA-1703wobin * r23089 10FuBar_FuXPFu/FuBar_FuXPFu.lua:
14:04.59CIA-17FuBar_FuXPFu:
14:04.59CIA-17- An attempt to load the factions properly. untested
14:05.46CIA-1703gamefaq * r23090 10Cartographer/Modules/ (Notes.lua Professions.lua): Cartographer: Updated deDE Locals
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14:09.03Rewadlittle question: how to generate inline color-code e.g (|cff3fcf26) for strings?
14:09.47Ominousthe bbit after |c is just hexi decimal isnt it?
14:10.33CIA-1703kerkyon * r23091 10sRaidFrames/ (sRaidFrames.lua sRaidFrames.toc sRaidFramesOptions.lua):
14:10.33CIA-17sRaidFrames
14:10.33CIA-17- Modified large parts of the range check code
14:10.33CIA-17- New range limit options (You can now only select range limits for which check functions are available. A tooltip translation is missing.)
14:10.33CIA-17- Removed optional dependency on ProximityLib
14:15.39Kaeltenall you people and your damned fancy commits and work and progress
14:15.41Kaeltenbah!
14:16.30sbu:)
14:16.42sbuwtb colored commits ;p
14:16.47sbuerr commit messages
14:17.50Milesbtw, anyone noticed the session xp being buggy in fubar_experiencefu?
14:19.07Adirelle~emulate CIA-17
14:19.09purlotravi * r20194 oCB/core/frame.lua: oCB - Want to contribute? Send me a patch. Commit and I'll revert.
14:20.25Kaelten~emulate Adirelle
14:20.47sbu~emulate Mikma
14:20.48purlIndustrial loves manboobs!
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14:24.39Kaeltenominous who knows, I thought we where not going to have a maintence today
14:24.48Kaeltendid they trash the do it while we're up plan or is it a patch day?
14:25.16Ominousso does that mean ill have to work not play tomorrow morning
14:25.17Ominous:S
14:25.22Ordogis somebody using yata in here?
14:25.39Ordogits not displaying the totembar for me, played around with all options -.-
14:26.20Ordogdoes Tornhoof attend here occasionally?
14:26.23kenlyric|workhmmm.. nobody ever said we weren't going to have maintenance today. That was last week.
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14:26.46kenlyric|workunless you're EU, then, well, yeah, you got hosed if you have maint this week :)
14:27.03CIA-1703saroz * r23092 10sRaidFrames/ (sRaidFrames.lua sRaidFrames.toc sRaidFramesOptions.lua): sRaidFrames: Reverting last commit
14:27.04WogroiplOrdof: is it maybe like totemtimers, where you have to manually cast a totem first before the buttons become active?
14:27.30Ordoguhm no
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14:27.54WogroiplI don't really know, never played with Yata
14:28.03Ordoghm thanks for trying tho :)
14:28.07Grinezomg, perfectraid
14:28.43Ordogim using badass CoE again due to that yata malfunction ... IM DOOMED
14:28.47Ordoghi Tornhoof :)
14:29.01Ordogany idea? im lost here 8/
14:29.18Tornhooferror msg?
14:29.30Ordognone bugsack staying empty
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14:30.31Tornhoofnice :)
14:30.51Kaeltenit lies!
14:31.11Tornhooftype /script Yata:OutputTotemData(); it should output your totems, scroll through it and look for mistakes like missing elements and stuff ;)
14:32.20Ordogk ill try
14:34.39Ordogeverything there
14:35.29Ominouswtf if we have expansion beta cant we go on PTR?
14:36.02kenlyric|workI thought you could, though I don't know precisely how it works.
14:36.05Ordogtimer bars showing up
14:36.22Ominousi get an error when i log in about my account is registerd to a newer version ...
14:36.27kenlyric|workthey're supposed to be fully testing how the game will work at TBC launch.
14:36.44Ominousand my beta client is brokekn
14:36.57kenlyric|workI think you need to use the beta client, but again, not really sure how it works.
14:37.23Tornhoofhmm
14:37.24Ominousbah just started listening to my good music again :/
14:37.25kenlyric|workI'm pretty sure you can't use the PTR client.
14:37.39Ominousand now i have top stop to download
14:37.48Tornhooftried deleting the savedvariables file?
14:38.12kenlyric|workwell, check the forums first just to be sure.
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14:39.06Ordognot yet doing that now
14:39.24zoktarany plan on implementing reporting in bg chat with capping ?
14:40.32Azurewrathzoktar: err.. it is already?
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14:42.00Ordoghm bar showing up
14:42.04Ordogyay
14:42.50Ordogi had a rather incomplete totemset in there, but the active totemset was set to default
14:43.03zoktarAzurewrath how ? i mean to chat
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14:43.23Ordogthe other set was empty tbe
14:43.34CIA-1703ominous 07BugSack * r23093 10!!!StandaloneLibraries/: BugSack : Created branch folder remotley
14:44.15zoktarAzurewrath found it! awsome
14:44.18Tornhoofyes, that might be the reason, i still have to write some rather extensive load/save variables validity function
14:44.41Ordogokies keep up the good work :)
14:45.36Ordogthe moveframe decal could be a bit less blue and clobby
14:45.36Ominousoops in the wrong folder /idiot
14:45.38Ordog^^
14:46.16Tornhoofjust lock the bar again and you won't see it ;)
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14:46.46CIA-1703ominous 07BugSack * r23094 10!!!StandaloneLibraries/: opps stupid me
14:46.59Ominousright lets try that again
14:47.26CIA-1703ominous * r23095 10/branches/BugSack/: Created folder remotely
14:47.57CIA-1703ominous 07Ominous * r23096 10BugSack/: Created folder remotely
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14:48.26kovihm, i have a strange bug in beta with bartender3
14:48.41koviwhen i log in it shows my skills on the actionbar as black squares
14:48.43kovior not at all
14:48.52kovibut when i reloadui they are shown correctly
14:48.54kovi._.
14:49.44CIA-1703kagaro * r23097 10Cartographer/Modules/Professions.lua: Cartographer: fixed default prof load style
14:50.39CIA-1703ominous 07Ominous * r23098 10BugSack/: Removed folder ( sigh ill get there eventually)
14:51.03CIA-1703ominous 07Ominous * r23099 10BugSack/: Copied trunk to branch
14:51.46CIA-1703ag * r23100 10ag_UnitFrames/ag_GroupClass.lua:
14:51.46CIA-17ag_UnitFrames
14:51.46CIA-17<PROTECTED>
14:53.26Ominousshould it be branch\addonname\yourname\addonname\addonname.toc or branch\addonname\yourname\addonname.toc?
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14:56.25CIA-1703ominous 07Ominous * r23101 10BugSack/ (BugSack-enUS.lua BugSackFu.lua): -Added option to alt + click on fubar plugin to clear errors to branch
14:57.15CIA-1703neriak * r23102 10Fence/ (5 files in 2 dirs):
14:57.15CIA-17Fence:
14:57.15CIA-17- Clicks: put search function into an extra module (Fence_Search.lua)
14:57.15CIA-17- Clicks: clean-up and minor fixes
14:57.15CIA-17- SinglePrice: clean-up
15:00.02Fritti~seen vhaar
15:00.28purli haven't seen 'vhaar', Fritti
15:00.28Fritti~seen vhaarr
15:00.31purlvhaarr <n=chatzill@89.80-202-39.nextgentel.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 8d 13h 39m 28s ago, saying: 'Like I said, you need to read and learn.'.
15:00.31Frittican never remember his nick :-/
15:01.10Adirelleis there any lib that deals with guild roster ?
15:03.46Adirelleas i didn't find anything in wiki and files, i guess the answer is no
15:03.58Ominous~seen vhaarr
15:04.01purlvhaarr <n=chatzill@89.80-202-39.nextgentel.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 8d 13h 42m 58s ago, saying: 'Like I said, you need to read and learn.'.
15:04.03Ominousther eu go Dritti :D
15:04.12OminousFritti*
15:06.21TrancerAdirelle: there seems to be some InGuild() and GuildRoster() stuff
15:07.13grollOrdog i noticed talking about totemsets... care to tell me? :D
15:07.17grollwhat addon etc
15:08.36HealthAny more bar swapping features planned for bt3?
15:11.49Adirelle@Trancer: yes, but it requires to ask for GUILD_ROSTER_UPDATE event, that may toggle the guild UI :s
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15:13.20Grinehey peeps
15:13.42Grineanyone got an easy way to make the minimapmailframe and minimapbattlefireldframe movable?
15:13.58grollsec
15:14.19grollsimpleminimap
15:14.36grollmovable, scalable, etc etc
15:14.42CIA-1703tornhoof * r23103 10Yata/ (. TotemBar.lua TotemData.lua Yata.toc):
15:14.43CIA-17Yata:
15:14.43CIA-17- Bugfixes and missing external Tablet
15:15.04Grinea bit overkill for my needs groll, I'm just gonna throw a few lines into an old mod for it but I forgot the lines :P
15:15.15grollah
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15:16.01Grinehave squeenix but I want to move the buttons, mail frame is mostly outside the screen atm :P
15:20.29WogroiplMaybe Visor2?
15:20.50Grineis ; used anywhere in lua code? or acn I just delete every ssingle one to lose lineneders?
15:20.59GrineWogroipl, still overkill :P
15:21.09Wogroiplhaha
15:21.18GrineI'll look through wowwiki
15:21.55kagarogrine you dont need ;
15:22.13Ominousi am slightly confused useing tortoise SVN how do you merge a branch into a trunk
15:22.44GrineI kagaro, but I've got mods with it, and I'm wondering if it's safe to tremove them  all or if they're used in any other way
15:22.59GrineI know*
15:23.13kagaroit safe to remove them
15:23.56kagaroas long as it isnt like a long concatinated line such as local a = 1; b=2; ...
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15:27.31Grinehmm
15:29.29CIA-1703ominous * r23104 10BugSack/ (BugSack-enUS.lua BugSackFu.lua): BugSack: Added "Alt + Click" option to the FuBar plugin to reset errors... approved by Fritti
15:30.01kagaro~seen ckknight
15:30.13purlckknight <n=ckknight@rrcs-74-62-251-185.west.biz.rr.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 4h 34m 27s ago, saying: 'out of how much, I just don't know'.
15:30.38CIA-1703ominous 07Ominous * r23105 10BugSack/: Deleted my branch
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15:33.52CIA-1703schelli 07Schelli * r23106 10IceHUD/ (IceHUD.toc modules/CastBar.lua modules/PlayerHealth.lua): IceHUD : small changes to PlayerHealth.lua and CastBar.lua
15:34.15CIA-1703tornhoof * r23107 10Yata/TotemBar.lua:
15:34.15CIA-17Yata:
15:34.16CIA-17- More compatibility fixes
15:35.47Frittithanks Ominous, sorry to make you jump through hoops :)
15:35.52Frittiat least now you know about branches :)
15:36.00Ominousyea :D
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15:43.17Sarozag`, you broke clique with ag_uf
15:44.05ag`negative
15:44.46Sarozit's not working though
15:46.03ag`be more specific
15:46.11Saroz... I click it, it does nothing
15:46.35Sarozmaybe I should update
15:46.41ag`and does it work without clique?
15:46.46Sarozprob.
15:46.46ag`and newest version of clique?
15:46.53Sarozno
15:47.56Sarozwhy does keys in a validate table have to be indexed?
15:48.27Sarozvalidate = {[34] = "tergdfg", [53] = "fdsfsd"}
15:48.59ag`so they can be localized
15:49.39Sarozgogo tostring()! :p
15:55.59Grinebah who needs movable buttons when you can just setpoint them?
15:59.07CIA-1703saroz * r23108 10sRaidFrames/ (sRaidFrames.lua sRaidFramesOptions.lua):
15:59.07CIA-17sRaidFrames: Simplify range check selection, to avoid usability issues with selecting ranges we are not able to check.
15:59.07CIA-17(Includes nice tostring() and tonumber() hacks)
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16:09.29snurreaguf broken?
16:09.33snurrei cant see my unitframes
16:12.00Sroshsnurre, some Layouts have been removed
16:12.19snurreo.O
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16:14.23pastamancerSaroz: aha, you beat me to it!  That's on the list of things to add to Grid.
16:14.49Saroz:p
16:15.19pastamancerself:UpdateRangeLimitOptions() should be up a line in that if though
16:15.33Sarozoohhh
16:15.35Sarozso true
16:15.57pastamancerand localizing UpdateRangeLimitOptions is gonna suck unless you use string.format
16:16.04SarozI will
16:16.05Sarozofc
16:16.11SarozI hate localization
16:16.14pastamancer:)
16:16.31Sarozusually I let localizers do the dirty work
16:16.32CIA-1703saroz * r23109 10sRaidFrames/sRaidFrames.lua: sRaidFrames: Moving on up!
16:16.43snurreSrosh: "some" layouts? there's no layouts at all for me o.O
16:16.52pastamancerjust use string.format if it's something the users are going to see
16:16.59Ominouscan Devistate be missed dodged or parried?
16:17.10snurreyes
16:17.16Sarozpastamancer, yup
16:17.26Sroshsnurre, that's strange; for all frames?
16:17.59snurreyeah, the layout dewdrop on all frames is empty
16:18.16Ominoussnurre: was that a reply to me?
16:18.26snurreto srosh
16:18.40snurrethe "yes" was to you
16:18.54snurreit can be dodged, parried, missed or blocked
16:19.06Ominousok is the combat log message %s is afflicted by Defistate?
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16:19.30Sroshare you using the latest revision?
16:20.02snurreDevastate? i dont think there's a combat log message other than the Your Devastate hits %s
16:20.08snurreSrosh: updated <10mins ago
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16:20.57Ominoussnurre: thanks
16:20.58Sroshok, mine is older - have you tried wiping your SVs?
16:22.31snurretrying now
16:24.00snurredidnt wipe SVs, just ran a WAU and relogged
16:24.01snurreag_UnitFrames - Already at rev 23100 - Skipping
16:24.09snurreso shouldnt have changed anything, weird
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16:27.40Ominousif a warrior has improved revenge does the combat log event conain Improved Revenge eg %s is afflicted by Improved
16:28.32Kirkburn|afkWoo, bought a DG384
16:30.13beerkeOminous, no
16:30.45Ominoushmm so is there anyway to tell if an enemy gets stuned but IR
16:31.16beerkeyes
16:31.31beerkebut check target for that
16:31.43beerkebet there is a combat message saying he gets stunned
16:32.06beerkeno idea if you can see by what he got stunned
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16:32.55snurreWAH, i think my other monitor just broke
16:39.57phyberI'll test it for you.
16:40.01phybertest test, can you see this?
16:40.09phyberoh, wait, other monitor ;)
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16:46.07neenee:)
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16:49.23evlI need an addon that summarizes the contents of my bags and bank and shows me the number of each item
16:49.26evlIs there such an addon? :P
16:49.32CIA-1703drathos * r23110 10FuBar_ReagentFu/ (Changelog.txt ReagentFu.lua):
16:49.32CIA-17FuBar_ReagentFu:
16:49.32CIA-17-Only use string.find for select items (Poisons, Warlock stones)
16:49.50Amadeoevl: Not sure, maybe Sanity
16:51.04evlperfect!
16:51.06evlJust what I needed :D
16:51.15Amadeo:)
16:51.22pastamancereveryone needs sanity :p
16:51.28Amadeohaha
16:52.29MikmaYAYAYAYAAAAAAAAY!
16:52.30Mikmahttp://www.arctic-cooling.com/vga2.php?idx=62
16:52.36Mikmajust fitted that inside my wife's PC
16:52.52lassizciwtf? bartender3's stances aren't working anymore on r22990?
16:53.03AmadeoMikma: Why not buy a new faster card!?
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16:53.28lassizciThe options are there but nothing happens :)
16:53.51CIA-1703neriak * r23111 10Fence/ (Core.lua modules/Fence_SinglePrice.lua):
16:53.52CIA-17Fence:
16:53.52CIA-17- SinglePrice: fixed nil
16:55.17NeriakMikma: poor wife is using NVIDIA? ^^
16:55.36Mikmaya, she got the pc like year ago with 100e
16:55.50Mikma2,4GHz etc
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16:56.05AmadeoIsn't Nvidia the leader right now? ATI was a while back, but they haven't been able to take the crown back again
16:56.07Neriakmine still has an Athlon XP 1600 ;)
16:56.42Mikmayeah, poor wife
16:56.46NeriakI hate NVIDIA ... DekstopManager and stuff .. I'm a fanboi of the Omega driver :)
16:56.59Neriaks/DekstopManager/DesktopManager/
16:57.02MikmaNeriak: and omega's were made for nvidia originally
16:57.04AmadeoNeriak: You mean the new config utility? You can turn it off
16:58.16NeriakNVIDIA was so pushed by software companies ... it always was the unspoken standard. you know you can force people to choose a product ;)
16:58.33Neriakbut it
16:58.35Neriakoops
16:58.37AmadeoYeah, I know what you mean
16:59.08AmadeoI'm not faithful to any specific software or hardware, I just choose what's either the best for my given situation
16:59.14Neriakbut it's ok .. I mean, I haven't seen an actual NVIDIA card in action, and I have no dubt it's performing better than an ATI equivalent hehe
16:59.28MikmaAmadeo: and why not buy a faster card... because daddy isn't paying our computers :( that means we have to use what's available
16:59.36Mikmaand also i'm a stealth-fan
17:00.09Mikmahttp://www.coolputer.fi/ <-
17:00.10AmadeoMikma: I would totally call daddy up and ask him to buy you some computers as a late wedding gift
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17:00.26MikmaAmadeo: well i can't since he has been dead for 20 years soon
17:00.28Neriaklol
17:00.38AmadeoMikma: :( Mommy?
17:00.41Neriakthat was for Amadeo, not for you Mikma
17:00.53NeriakI'm sorry to hear this Mikma.
17:00.55MikmaAmadeo: mommy is poor
17:01.11MikmaNeriak: well it's been really like 20 years, i've got over it :)
17:01.15Neriakkk
17:01.17Mikmabut, check out the http://www.coolputer.fi/ :D
17:01.26AmadeoMikma: I think we might have to call Bill Gates at this point
17:01.42Mikmathat shop is located in like 10km from my place, and it's the best cooling/stealth -shop in finland
17:01.52MikmaAmadeo: i agree. "we are poor. gief dollars!"
17:02.18AmadeoI wonder what secrets those guys have
17:02.25NeriakMikma: whoa .. colorful I'd say hrhr
17:02.38AmadeoLike Steve Jobs probably runs Windows Vista, and Bill Gates runs OS X/Linux
17:03.23NeriakI love modded pc's, however I won't ever mod mine. It has to run and I don't give s shit if it's silent or not. If it's too silent I fear it has died while working with it hehe
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17:03.46AmadeoI'd like a silent PC, but not at the cost of cooling or anything
17:03.57AmadeoRight now this thing is too loud
17:04.02Neriakyeah main problem is also money here.
17:04.05MikmaAmadeo: Coolputer is about cooling and silence
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17:04.32AmadeoMikma: I need to build a new system, so I'd have to start from the ground up with a case and everything
17:04.36HealthMikma: Looks a bit like http://kylning.com that is pretty close to here :)
17:04.53MikmaHealth: hmm, looks like it :)
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17:05.26MikmaAmadeo: if i ever build a new comp for myself, i will purchace *all* coolings from Coolputer :)
17:05.50Fisker-So there was no patch on US today?
17:05.53Amadeohehe, I'm not sure Coolputer is the best choice for me in the US :)
17:05.55Mikmai did buy 2x ultra silent powers like 3 2 years ago
17:06.05MikmaAmadeo: yeah, maybe not!
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17:06.46Amadeodo people still build mini-PCs?
17:06.52Mikmaoh i hope so
17:06.54Mikmathey rock
17:06.55Amadeothat was the rage for a while
17:07.16AmadeoI forget the company who made all the cases now
17:07.23Amadeoshuttle?
17:07.31Mikmashuttle is biiiig!
17:08.19Mikmahttp://www.mini-itx.com/news/images/story0026.jpg
17:09.41AmadeoMikma: I would be more impressed if the can of Coke was the computer!
17:09.41Mikmathat's like, small
17:09.41MikmaAmadeo: oh i have something better, sec
17:09.42MikmaAmadeo: http://www.metku.net/index.html?path=mods/whiskypc/index_eng
17:10.30Amadeohahaha
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17:12.26mjcdeltron: around?
17:12.42Rewadhi all, i search timex for ace2. who can i find a working version?
17:12.53mjctimex is not needed with ace2
17:14.00Rewadhm, has ace2 allready implemented timex functionalities?
17:14.56Rewador is a seperated libarie needed?
17:16.09mjcaceevent
17:16.18mjcpart of ace2
17:16.28mjchttp://www.wowace.com/wiki/AceEvent-2.0
17:17.29Rewadhm, nice thanks
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17:21.00kergothmjc: you forgot to rejoin the guild chan :P
17:21.07mjcyeah.
17:21.09mjcwhat is it
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17:21.56MikmaFuck! http://wow.curse-gaming.com/en/files/details/5723/totemus/ <- That's HOT!
17:22.14sbuhm
17:22.42sbuyep
17:23.40AmadeoWhy a hearthstone button and not astral recall?
17:24.14Mikmai wonder the same
17:24.17Mikmaand where's ghost wolf
17:24.21Mikmaand warstomp :D
17:24.29Mikmamost important skills of tauren shaman hehe
17:24.35benderwhats astral recall?
17:24.48Mikmait's Hs number 2
17:24.52Mikmawith smaller cooldown
17:24.55benderooh
17:25.36MikmaEarth Bind Totem -> War Stomp -> Ghost Wolf = bye bye!
17:25.49Mikmaunless there's priest nearby... Dispel!
17:26.06nevcairielnatures swiftness -> hibernate -> sleeping ghost wolf
17:26.13Mikma:D
17:26.24Mikmadoes it actually work for shamans in ghost wolf form?
17:26.28nevcairielyea
17:26.32Mikmaneat
17:26.42mjcscare beast works on druid in bear :(
17:26.48Mikmahaha
17:26.53nevcairieli love hibernating flag carriers in wsg
17:27.00mjcoverpowered motherfuckers
17:27.04Mikmahaven't even knew about those
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17:27.24nevcairielmost hunters dont use scare beasts tho
17:27.31Mikmathat's a pitty
17:27.32nevcairieli havent encounterd it once in wsg tbh
17:27.37Azurewrathit's still an annoying fact that a druid can't morph out of fear or hibernate.. but out of sheep.
17:27.37mjcall the time
17:27.41mjcannoys the fuck out of me
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17:28.45nevcairielbeing hibernated as a druid sucks
17:29.00nevcairielwith fear you can at least still use the insignia of the alliance
17:29.21mjcinsignia of the horde ftw
17:29.34nevcairielbut then again, i am restoration, and dont generally get hibernated :D
17:29.47Mikmanevcairiel: so unshapeshifting doesn't release from that?
17:29.50mjcno
17:29.55nevcairielnop
17:30.13nevcairielbut you cannot hibernate again when you shift out tho :D
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17:32.09KarlThePaganhmmmm... need a new cart_mining feature
17:32.55Mikmawhat?
17:33.25KarlThePaganwatch for periodic buff "Longsight" and "Farsight" and making all the minimap icons circles
17:33.39KarlThePaganI use engineer spyglass to survey for minerals and herbs :0
17:34.17KarlThePaganonly really useful when it would take me a long time to get to the spot i'm spyglassing to (mountains, caves etc)
17:34.27mjchttp://joelonsoftware.com/articles/fog0000000043.html
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17:35.43KarlThePagan11/12
17:36.03mjcfence?
17:36.13Mikmai'm tired
17:36.18Mikmaneed coffee!
17:36.56KirkburnFence? I prefer shrubberies myself
17:40.39[dRaCo]has anyone else got problems with yata and (probably) bt3?
17:40.52[dRaCo]looks like they are trying to use the same buttons...
17:43.39hillbillyhey yesterday I had a problem with my simplemap-cartographer with the herbs not staying where they were found but following my icon around, like they where on a seperate layer the same one as my location icon, so i just turned off that feature in Cartograpeher. Was that a bug?
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17:45.06hillbillyIm using all Ace2-Fubar and update via updater often
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17:46.41KarlThePaganI've seen icons sticking sometimes, but not often
17:46.45KarlThePagangtg... bbiab
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17:51.11BarbanusHmmmm shot in the dark .. someone last week linked a mod that saved the BG scoreboards ... anyone remember the name of that mod?
17:51.58Kirkburnhillbilly, ckknight should be around later, he might have more info
17:53.26kergothhehe, installing the daily build of firefox 3.0 alpha... it calls itself Minefield
17:54.22Barbanusyou are brave
17:54.27Barbanusvery brave
18:03.45kenlyric|workI used to run the nightly build of phoenix. You don't know brave.;)
18:04.56Barbanushaha
18:05.50bender"Writing specs is like flossing: everybody agrees that it's a good thing, but nobody does it. "
18:05.57bender:)
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18:06.13Ominouskaelten: are you here atm
18:06.20kergothi write out design docs for almost all code i write, just to organize my thoughts
18:06.25kergothalways get out of date though
18:09.43jaetehmm... anyone know if KLH Performance Monitor is any good? -> http://wow.curse-gaming.com/en/files/details/4218/klhperformancemonitor/
18:09.49benderi suck at documenting both before or after my work =/
18:10.00benderi just find it too boring to deal with :(
18:10.46CIA-1703beerke * r23112 10KingOfTheJungle/KingOfTheJungle.toc:
18:10.46CIA-17KingOfTheJungle :
18:10.47CIA-17- TOC Update
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18:16.20CIA-1703gamefaq * r23113 10BugSack/BugSack-deDE.lua:
18:16.20CIA-17BugSack:
18:16.20CIA-17- Updated deDE Translation
18:16.20CIA-17- Changed deDE Format to UTF-8
18:16.47kergothkagaro: ping
18:16.54kagaroyo
18:17.05kergothyou inadvertantly broke languages other than english in professions
18:17.25kergothyou need to get the reverse translation of the skill from the skill lines, but NOT the reverse translation of the metadata from teh .toc
18:17.34kergoththe .toc field will always contain the english string for the profession
18:17.36Tornhoofanyone happen to know how i can check one of the radio buttons in tablet?
18:17.43kagarooops
18:18.04Ominouswhat is the advantage of UTF-8?
18:18.21kagarohmm wait a sec .. i need the line from .toc to figure out the skill for the menu
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18:18.43Tornhoofone type for several char sets ominous
18:18.55Ominouswhat does that mean?
18:19.02Tornhoofyou know ascii
18:19.10kergothno, utf-8 is one encoding of unicode, which is one character set for numerous languages
18:19.15kergothgoogle for unicode. read up
18:19.24pastamancerit's a good thing
18:19.28kergothjoel on software has a good guide to character sets for developers that i highly recommend
18:19.29Gamefaqgoggle for utf-8
18:19.38kergothhttp://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/Unicode.html
18:19.42kergoth"The Absolute Minimum Every Software Developer Absolutely, Positively Must Know About Unicode and Character Sets (No Excuses!)"
18:20.18kagarobefor ei can check skillline i need to load the menu for each
18:20.19Tornhoofwhere is ckknight if i need him, that tablet stuff is driving me mad
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18:21.20Tornhoofif you speak of the devil ;)
18:21.37GamefaqTornhoof he  reads your mind ;)
18:21.38Tornhoofhey ckknight is it possible to actually set a radiobutton in table after the line is created?
18:21.53kagarokergoth: would GetTranslation('english word') return correctly when locale was non english?
18:21.58ckknightdon't know what you're talking about, Tornhoof
18:22.11Fisker-So I have an announcement to make: if you are a programmer working in 2003 and you don't know the basics of characters, character sets, encodings, and Unicode, and I catch you, I'm going to punish you by making you peel onions for 6 months in a submarine. I swear I will.
18:22.12Fisker-nice :(
18:22.28Tornhoofsimple, i have 3 lines with the radio button in front of it, now i want to click one of the lines and it should enable the radio button ;)
18:22.31kergothkagaro: yes, that would work too, either get the translated version of the metadata and compare to the one we got from the skill list, or get the reverse translation of the one we got from the skill list and compare to the one from the metadata
18:22.56kergothnot that complecated, we have one translated and one untranslated, they have to be the same :P
18:23.56Mikmahere's something for all finnish people in here
18:23.57Mikma<2014> <Calderone> etupillu on ihan takaperseestä
18:27.10hasteOminous: I figured out the auto-refill issue, I think
18:27.25Ominoushaste: nice
18:27.40Ominoushaste: have you comitted it?
18:27.51hasteOminous: sometimes when MERCHNT_SHOW, it doesn't have any items, so it fires MERCHANT_UPDATE afterwards with the items
18:28.12hasteOminous: it can happen the same second, which means it doesn't buy all, but what's left
18:28.34Ominoushmm, is it fixable?
18:28.51hasteOminous: also, when buying large amounts of poisons - the server prevents you from spamming it
18:29.02pastamancerSaroz: ping
18:29.11Sarozpong
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18:29.19Mikmahmmmmmmm
18:29.19hasteIt is, I'll just wait for _UPDATE, and if it doesn't fire within 2 sec, I'll just force it to refill
18:29.32Sarozpastamancer
18:29.34pastamancerdo you ever get the SecureTemplates.lua: line 816 error with sRaidFrames?
18:29.34Mikmawhy do i have a need to rearrange agUF defaults in the way I like them?
18:29.35Ominousnice
18:29.42Sarozpastamancer, nope
18:29.47Mikmaag should come here and whip me back to surface of earth
18:29.53pastamancerdamn, I wonder what I'm doing differently
18:29.55hastebut I will have to fix some buy queue before that
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18:30.08Sarozpastamancer, but some people have reported blank frames when leaving BG and stuff, never seen it myself though
18:30.11kagarokergoth: that should do it
18:30.13CIA-1703kagaro * r23114 10Cartographer/Modules/Professions.lua: Cartographer: fixed a translation problem in Profession module
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18:30.19Sarozpastamancer, but that's prob. my fault :p
18:30.31Ominoushaste: also would it be possible to have a create button que like poison master used to
18:30.42kagarokergoth: take a look at the change line .. i cant test it from work :(
18:30.44pastamancerSaroz: it seems to happen most frequently when entering a bg
18:31.01hasteOminous: It doesn't touch the poison tradeskill after the first scan
18:31.14hasteOminous: but it's something which would be considered on the horizone to say so
18:31.21Ominousyay
18:32.39Fisker-oh screw you kergoth :(
18:32.51kergoth?
18:33.05Fisker-Now i read that unicode article
18:33.12kergoth:P
18:33.54pastamancerFisker-: for more fun, check out http://svn.wowace.com/wowace/trunk/Grid/utf8.lua
18:34.04Sarozutf8 ftl
18:34.08Sarozcan't be freaking arsed
18:34.24pastamancerutFU-8
18:34.34Sarozlocalization is so gay
18:34.38kergothkagaro: still broken.
18:34.57kergothwait, no, i'm blind
18:34.59kergoth:)
18:35.20pastamancerlocalization is a pain, but it generally results in more maintainable code
18:35.35dafireso it's not ace my addon .. it's dongle my addon now :P
18:35.36SarozI don't agree
18:35.40Sarozit results in more users
18:35.47kergothkagaro: itll work, but you're getting the reverse translation of the skill unnecessarily now.  you already have the translated version of the metadata, just directly compare localprof to skillname
18:35.52kergothkagaro: :)
18:36.32Barbanus~seen ckknight
18:36.36purlckknight is currently on #wowi-lounge (15m 28s) #norganna (15m 28s) #wowace (15m 28s). Has said a total of 1 messages. Is idling for 14m 38s, last said: 'don't know what you're talking about, Tornhoof '.
18:36.36pastamancerdafire: I dongle'd your mom
18:36.36kergothFtH|eagle: please confirm that kagaro's latest commit fixed your issue
18:36.59Sarozlol pastamancer :p
18:37.44Sarozis magic type returned from UnitDebuff localized?
18:37.52Barbanusckknight, the BG weekends are wrong in Glorylib since we switched to 2007
18:38.04pastamancerSaroz: I don't think so, I have no idea
18:38.45NeriakBarbanus: /signed, they're wrong
18:38.56ckknightBarbanus: yea, no doubt
18:39.03SarozPANIC
18:39.22Sarozcannot think self without addon telling me which BG weekend it is
18:39.26ckknightBarbanus: feel free to come up with a new algorithm ;-)
18:40.35CIA-1703beerke * r23115 10KingOfTheJungle/KingOfTheJungle.toc:
18:40.35CIA-17KingOfTheJungle :
18:40.35CIA-17- TOC Update
18:40.44BarbanusSaroz, haha, not really the point, but yea :P
18:41.05CIA-1703tornhoof * r23116 10Yata/Options.lua:
18:41.05CIA-17Yata:
18:41.05CIA-17- Totemset switching support in FuBar
18:41.12BarbanusIf the feature is in the mod, and the feature is broken .. I figured I would report it ... no biggy for sure though :P
18:41.38Sarozshouldnt it just be a matter of adjusting the BG order?
18:41.48ckknightBarbanus: :-P
18:41.49ckknightSaroz: yea.
18:42.02ckknightI think Elkano wrote the last algorithm
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18:43.32Elkanohmm... maybe I messed sth... but since it's 2k7, let's simply adjust the initial offset ;)
18:44.04CIA-1703kagaro * r23117 10Cartographer/Modules/Professions.lua: Cartographer: got rid of extra translation
18:44.08NeriakOk it's out: the last algorithm based on 500 chinese playing Rock, Paper, Scissors  while farming the shit outta the game ^^
18:44.17kergothkagaro: thanks
18:44.23SarozElkano, sounds logical
18:44.30BarbanusNeriak, haha
18:45.07Neriakhehe and btw: yesy animals _were_ harmed.
18:45.09kagarokergoth: thanks for looking, i did the fix quickly while handling a customer on the phone :P
18:45.18Neriaks/yesy/yes/
18:45.48kagarowho was working on instancenotes cart module?
18:46.22kergothhas anyone started updating the instance note positions per the minimap based map changes yet?
18:47.00Neriakman, I tried an exact AH search .. and failed ... I've tried to hack the crap out of Blizzard's code but it always bugged somehow ... does anyone have a simple and working method to hide 'bolts of rune cloth' and only show 'rune cloth' when I've typed in 'rune cloth' ?
18:47.04kagaroyeah kergoth thats what I was a wondering myself.. I dont know where they should be to fix them
18:48.40kagaroohh kergoth, did you want me to change how mining and herbs store in their db as per the pm i sent you ?
18:49.06kergothkagaro: have you measured the ram usage impact on a big db (i.e. the gather.reet.org one)?
18:49.11Neriakthere is no function that is directyl showing the no results and stop searching. I've managed to hide buttons and show the BrowseNoResult:Text and even hide the page next and rev button + the ScrollBar .. but it fucked the rest of the AH search .. especially in cases when there were more pages left to show :(
18:49.49kagarokergoth: no i havent never used gather.reet.org
18:50.09kergothits a web database, huge db of nodes
18:50.17kergothpeople have converted it ot cart format, zips are on the forum thread
18:50.25kergothload that and compare ram usage
18:50.27KarlThePaganckknight, ping - in Tourist is it intentional to omit the tables from your iterator returns (protecting tables from the users?)
18:50.45kergothan extra table per node may hurt a bit, ckk did it the way it is right now for good reason
18:51.09ckknightKarlThePagan: if someone has access to a table, they can change it, which is bad
18:51.17ckknightalso, what kerg said
18:52.13kergothiterators are fun for the whole family!
18:52.15kergothor something
18:52.17kergothi need caffeine :(
18:52.28KarlThePaganI don't follow kergoth's reasoning... I would return zoneIter, zonesInstances, nil instead of return zoneIter, nil, nil
18:52.37kergothi was talking to kagaro :P
18:52.37KarlThePaganwhich doesn't add an extra table to a node
18:52.45KarlThePaganhehe
18:52.46KarlThePagank
18:53.01kergothkagaro proposed changing the herbalism/mining note db to use a table per node instead of the current optimized format
18:53.05KarlThePaganckknight, something similar should be done about the pathing... anything that uses retNormal
18:53.08kergothto store additional data like last time gathered
18:53.40dafirewowi database is down
18:53.50KirkburnHaha: http://myextralife.com/
18:53.53kagaroi did that in the treasure module, so icon used doesnt really equal what the item was
18:53.58KarlThePaganWRT cartographer and large number of nodes - I haven't looked at the code, but do you do any bucketing to optimize which nodes are shown on the minimap?
18:54.05ckknightKarlThePagan: oh, I'm not sure about that, actually. Basically, if the table's not needed, no reason to include it
18:54.22jaetekergoth, do you have an exact link to the cartographer version of the gatherer node database thing? :)
18:54.31ckknightKarlThePagan: it only shows 25 nodes per database, of which are within a certain vicinity
18:54.41ckknightKarlThePagan: it's quite efficient, even with  whole lot
18:54.46KarlThePagank
18:54.49kergothjaete: not offhand, i know its in the cart thread, but thats a big thread..
18:55.06kagarotreasures db makes things like this: [id number] = { "icon" = "box", "title" = "Box of assorted parts" }
18:55.10jaeteyeah looking thru that now, didn't find it yet, i'll keep looking ;)
18:55.25KarlThePagank... the bucketing thing would use a lot more memory so it might or might not be a good tradeoff
18:56.20KarlThePaganbut WRT tourist IterateBoundaryZones - I think I can change it to protect that table too
18:56.32KarlThePaganunfortunately for GrouperLFG I need a lot more iterators
18:56.35kagaroshould i change how treasure does it then? I dont know how else to show them the note means Treasure (some icon) is blahh
18:57.15kergothkagaro: its nessary in that case since the icon name isnt hte same as the description of the node
18:57.23kergothafaik
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18:58.27KarlThePaganI think for grouper I'll end up building up the list of adjacent zones, zone instances and live with the tiny extra memory usage
18:59.33oxmandotimer is the more accurate and complete track dot addon ?
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19:00.35FtH|eaglekergoth: doesn't work
19:00.38kergothi like chronometer myself
19:00.53kagarokergoth: ill do a memory comparison tonight when i get home
19:01.08FtH|eaglebecause for every other addon that hasn't got the metadata, it tries to search for a translation of nil
19:01.20kergothhehe
19:01.36oxmankergoth chronometer don't track multiple dot ;/
19:01.39kergoththat shouldnt be the case
19:01.46kergoth<PROTECTED>
19:01.46kergoth<PROTECTED>
19:01.46kergoth<PROTECTED>
19:01.59kenlyric|workoxman, it should.
19:02.09oxmanbut it don't ^^
19:02.17kenlyric|workok, what I mean is, it does.
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19:02.26kenlyric|workunless the mobs have the exact same name.\
19:02.49MikmaSorry ag´ but i'm going to rape the default-locations of aguf now
19:03.01NimbalHi there. Does anyone know an event that is fired when the temporary enchant on the player's weapon changes?
19:03.52kergothNimbal: most buff addons, afaik, have to poll them, since there was no event for it in the past.  that said, it seems that the COMBAT_TEXT_UPDATE event does indeed fire each time you apply a temp enchant, even when refreshing an existing one
19:03.58ZealotOnAStickI personally use DoTimer for my Warlock, and Chronometer for all of my other characters.
19:04.09ZealotOnAStickI use DoTimer with the icon buff display though, not bars.
19:05.06Nimbalkergoth: Yay! Thank you. This will cut down some OnUpdates.
19:05.16kergoth:) np
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19:05.38kergothremember that that event fires for a bunch of stuff, its ued by blizzard's floating combat text.  just check the first argument, the message type
19:06.30Nimbalkergoth, I just had a disconnect. In case you haven't read it: Thank you very much, this helps a lot!
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19:06.57CIA-1703pastamancer * r23118 10Grid/utf8.lua: Grid: utf8 library gets keywords, comments, and a license
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19:09.22jaeteok it seems i found it: http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=3698.0
19:09.31Hjalteckknight: Who do i contact regarding a bug in professions.lua?
19:09.40Hjaltein cartographer of course :)
19:09.43ckknightkergoth
19:10.41Sarozwhy the hell is Dongle being developed when you have Ace2?
19:10.50Sarozbesides the obvious personal reasons
19:10.58kagarohjalte: what is the bug?
19:11.07Tullerprobably the same reason there's a discord and a bongos? :)
19:11.21pastamancerSaroz: I'm willing to bet it's the obvious personal and philosophical reasons
19:11.34kagaromeeting back shortly
19:12.41Hjaltekagaro: http://ace.pastey.net/4377 - Got 3 errors in bugsack when i logged in. This was one, there was one that looked like it but shorter and then one regarding babblespell.
19:14.08FtH|eagleckknight: Is that a known bug that the minimap icons are shown in a much wider area than the minimap itself?
19:14.56ckknightI have heard of the bug, but not seen it
19:16.10FtH|eaglek, let me take a screenshot
19:17.07FtH|eaglehttp://imageigloo.com/images/7518cartbug.jpg
19:17.26Mikmaag ag ag i miss ag
19:17.30Hjalteckknight: when i ask a fubar plugin to hide itself and then when i log in next time, i find it at my minimap - then it's the plugins fault, not fubar, right?
19:17.48ckknightum, not 100% sure
19:18.57Fisker-What's that addon with 4 coloured boxes FtH|eagle ?
19:19.13FtH|eagleckknight: and it's not because of simpleminimap, get the same behaviour with that addon disabled
19:19.48FtH|eagleFisker-: 4 coloured boxes?
19:20.03FtH|eagleah you mean the config for grid in the fubar panel?
19:20.17Fisker-ah
19:20.20Trooxhm... Fubar, is it possible to scale the detached Tooptip as well?
19:20.21Fisker-that's what it is then :P
19:20.25Fisker-yes
19:21.32ZealotOnAStick~seen kergoth
19:21.43purlkergoth is currently on #wowi-lounge (18h 30m 25s) #oe (18h 30m 25s) #wowace (18h 30m 25s) #elinux (18h 30m 25s). Has said a total of 157 messages. Is idling for 16m 5s, last said: 'remember that that event fires for a bunch of stuff, its ued by blizzard's floating combat text.  just check the first argument, the message type'.
19:21.46ZealotOnAStick~seen kagaro
19:21.48purlkagaro is currently on #wowace (4h 25m 51s). Has said a total of 22 messages. Is idling for 10m 14s, last said: 'meeting back shortly'.
19:21.55kagaroback
19:22.29ZealotOnAStickkergoth you around?
19:22.37BarbanusFtH|eagle, could it be some other mod conflicting?
19:22.40kergothsomewhat. at work atm
19:23.04ZealotOnAStickok.  You seen the prodessions module errors in the latest cart?
19:23.18kagaroim looking now
19:23.50ZealotOnAStickok.  nvm then if you know of 'em.  I can pastey the errors or something if you need, and not if you've got 'em already.
19:24.03kagaroplease do zealot
19:24.08FtH|eagleBarbanus: possible
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19:25.29ZealotOnAStickhttp://ace.pastey.net/4380
19:25.49Ominousif you create a table to register defaults, after you register defaults can you delete the table
19:26.31LLoydBatesFtH|eagle: your problem is cartographer nodes outside of the minimap?
19:26.34kergothOminous: you dont need to keep a reference to it around, if thats your question
19:26.43Ominousyes
19:26.46Ominousthanks
19:26.53kagaro*palm to face*
19:27.12FtH|eagleLLoydBates: correct
19:27.22LLoydBatessame here, but i got used to it. :)
19:27.41LLoydBatesgerman client?
19:27.43CIA-1703kagaro * r23119 10Cartographer/Modules/Professions.lua: Cartographer: fixed nil error from dry coding
19:27.48FtH|eagleyes
19:28.01FtH|eagleckknight: Deactivated every other addon, problem persists
19:28.12kagaroZealot, Hjalte, FtH|Eagle its fixed
19:28.26kagarodry coding ftl from work
19:28.33Hjaltekagaro, thanks :)
19:28.49kagaroforgot a if pipometa and bs:HasTranslation
19:29.30Ominousfunction self.modulePrototype:Print(arg) self:Print(arg) end would mean taht if you celled self:Print() from a module it would print as if you did it from the core, right?
19:30.05ckknightcan someone fix Babble-Spell frFR: ["Gift of Life"] = "Don de vie",
19:30.16pastamancerOminous: that looks wrong
19:30.29pastamancerwhat are you trying to do?
19:30.44kergothOminous: in that function, self is the module, not the core
19:30.49Ominousah k
19:30.49kergothheh
19:30.54Ominousso core:Print() world work
19:32.22oxmankenlyric|work not here :)
19:32.27oxmanmob with different name :)
19:33.20Mikmahttp://wow.reaktio.net/agdef1.jpg <- what do you like of this layout?
19:34.28oxmani don't like
19:34.42Mikmano wonder, you damn frenchie
19:34.54oxmanstop be stupid.
19:35.13Mikmawhat?
19:35.21ZealotOnAStickck - trying, but not going to commit until I'm sure I won't fuck up the utf-8
19:36.04ZealotOnAStickI'm not sure from the display in UE32 if it's ok and I just need an asian font installed, or if it's borked.  Anyone familiar with UltraEdit32 know where the unicode/utf-8 settings are?
19:36.10Burtonhe meant stop acting like a fag Mikma =p
19:36.27MikmaBurton: oh, good to have someone here who can translate him to common language :)
19:36.42oxmanthanks Burton :p
19:37.02ZealotOnAStickUhm . . . what's special about that layout?  Looks fairly standarish to me, you just clustered ToT and ToTT under Target?
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19:37.25MikmaZealotOnAStick: well i'm planning on making that as agUF default layout if ag approves
19:38.46xlviidoktoreas, http://tinyurl.com/ynzjh6
19:38.52xlviihaha!
19:38.54Tornhoofzealot, extra, codepage
19:38.56GngskMikma, looks like nurfed
19:38.58xlviididn't realised i was scrolled up.
19:38.59xlvii;_;
19:39.14Fisker-I liek Mikma
19:39.31Fisker-But how did you get the ToT/ToTT frames like that?
19:39.39Mikmai moved them?
19:39.39Fisker-Each time i try to make mine small the name just disappears
19:39.45Mikmaand resized the width
19:40.08Mikmabut i see agUF having problems with scale :(
19:42.54CrisCr0sssne 1 use mIRC
19:42.57CrisCr0sssand knows how to enable logs?
19:43.21CrisCr0ssstest
19:43.41xlviibrb, restarting [amsg]
19:44.25Sroshomg, mirc
19:44.47CrisCr0sssyepp
19:45.07Sroshmay I advise to use a different IRC client? :p
19:45.15Sarozdont like the border mikma
19:45.28CrisCr0ssswhy is that?
19:45.34AmadeoUsers aside, mIRC is still the best in Windows, imo
19:45.36Barbanusmirc is fine
19:45.39CrisCr0sssmirc does whats its supposed to and im soo used to it
19:45.44CrisCr0sssbeen using it for the longest time
19:45.53AmadeoAll other IRC clients in Windows are bloated/quirky/slow
19:45.56CrisCr0sssim jus trying to get wombatIRC to work with it
19:46.04CrisCr0sssits a g15 lcd plugin
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19:46.20Sroshx-chat > mirc on windows imho, but everyone's their own
19:46.36CrisCr0sssx-chat is no longer freeware
19:46.37Amadeox-chat's a fine client, but it's slow in Windows compared to mIRC...it's because of GTK
19:46.48AmadeoYou can still get x-chat free, just have to get a 3rd party build
19:46.49BarbanusYea, what Amadeo said.
19:47.19AmadeomIRC gets a bad rap due to most of its users...the client itself isn't as bad as people make it out to be
19:47.24nuOHEP_CrisCr0sss, Options -> IRC -> Logging
19:47.35AmadeoSure, it's had its share of vulnerabilities, but any mainstream product does
19:47.44CrisCr0sssyes i got it, its just not recording ne logs
19:47.45Barbanusmirc get a bad rep because of its stupid users
19:47.45CrisCr0sss:(
19:48.00BarbanusI'm sorry you are so dumb as to download some bad script and run it
19:48.18zacThere was that DCC SEND overflow a few years back in mIRC too.
19:48.28CrisCr0sssand therefore there is no output of the log on the lcd screen
19:48.47Barbanuszac, yea that happens with the best of software tho
19:48.53Amadeozac: It happens...the invulnerable Firefox became vulnerable too
19:49.07Barbanuszac, and people are too stupid to update software
19:49.12CIA-1703zealotonastick * r23120 10Babble-2.2/Babble-Spell-2.2/Babble-Spell-2.2.lua:
19:49.12CIA-17Babble-2.2:
19:49.12CIA-17- Fixed the "Gift of Life" frFR translation
19:49.17zacThe update was slow to come out, though.
19:49.36ZealotOnAStickI'm reasonably certain that didn't bork the utf-8 stuff, but if someone can verify, I'd really appreciate it.
19:49.39BarbanusIf its the one I am thinking about, the update was out within 24 hours
19:49.51Barbanuswhich is better than microsoft's response time :P
19:49.55zacI remember having to ignore all CTCP, so I'm not convinced it was, but it was also a while ago.
19:50.14AmadeoWell, I can say this...I've used mIRC for more years than most have been on IRC, and I've never had anything happen to me that did more than knock me offline for a few seconds
19:50.32kenlyric|workircII4life
19:50.41zacI use Colloquy. :D
19:51.07BarbanusAmadeo, I've used it for at least 12 years
19:51.21CrisCr0ssswell i got everything working except these two plugins :(
19:51.22AmadeoI sure wouldn't use mIRC on a Mac :) Just Windows
19:51.34Barbanuswin3.1 days WOOO
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19:53.37kagarozealotonastick: im checking it out now ill check the encoding
19:53.49CIA-1703jncl * r23121 10Skinner/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Skinner: PCUF - Glazed all status bars, skinned all frames including Combat Display, removed Party 5 frames as they aren't required; Moved PVPHonorTodayLabel to allow number of kills to be displayed in full
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19:57.10CrisCr0sssdoes skinner only improve interface
19:57.24CrisCr0sssn does it kill loadtime/memory
19:58.23Gngsktry it out for yourself and see
19:58.59CrisCr0ssswell what r the oppinons of it?
19:59.08CrisCr0sssi like other peoples view and then i add mine
20:00.08kagaroZealotOnAStick: looks UTF-8 to me
20:00.32kagaroit auto-detected as utf-8 so looks alright
20:01.12ZealotOnAStickOk.  I guess we'll know for sure if someone shows up griping that zhTW or something is borked.  I'm pretty sure it's all right though.
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20:01.42Mikma~seen ag´
20:02.03purli haven't seen 'ag´', Mikma
20:02.11Mikma~seen ag`
20:02.16purlag` <n=ag`@0x57317a46.bynxx19.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 4h 13m 17s ago, saying: 'so they can be localized'.
20:02.16Gngsk~seen ag`_
20:02.19purlag`_ <n=ag`@0x57317a46.bynxx19.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 17h 49m 51s ago, saying: 'Gngsk: you need to enable mouse for it'.
20:02.19kagaroit look sgood to me, TextMate has full utf-8 support and all the chars look as they should
20:02.25GngskI lose
20:02.33hasteCrisCr0sss: it doesn't improve load times or memory usage, it does the oposite however
20:02.33Mikma:D
20:02.38Mikmahaste: omg lol u!
20:02.48Mikmalol
20:02.54Mikma<2202> [IRCNet] ::: Irssi: Ag` [yzf600@dslb-084-058-030-139.pools.arcor-ip.net] [Ansgar] has joined to IRCNet
20:03.18haste:o
20:06.22Trancerargh, ircnet, nooo
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20:06.27NeriakCartographer-r29514\Modules\Professions.lua:182: bad argument #1 to 'pairs' (table expected, got nil)
20:06.46NeriakI bet localization issues?
20:07.47Neriakkagaro: ping
20:07.52kagaroyo
20:08.04Neriakis this the Pofessions issue kergoth was talking about?
20:08.14TrancerMikma: where on ircnut are you hiding? ;p
20:08.25MikmaTrancer: well, nowhere?
20:08.34kagaroyeah should be fixed now
20:08.44NeriakI'm playing on a german client, so probably locales are fucked up ;)
20:08.44Neriakk
20:08.50Tranceroh, you can not be voluntarily be on ircnet :o
20:08.58Mikmayes i can actually
20:09.12kagaroneriak: get the latest build and see if it still gives you the error
20:09.44kagaroneriak: wasnt an localization error, was a typo error .. i commited to code form work, so I cant access the game to test
20:09.51jaete[2007/01/02 22:09:27-56-x2]: Cartographer_Herbalism\addon.lua:692: AceLocale(Cartographer_Herbalism): Translation "Eiskappe" does not exist.
20:09.54kagaros/form/from/
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20:10.44kagarojaete: know what herb it was in english?
20:10.53Neriakkagaro: I see .. nop prob, glad it's fixed .. will test it soon
20:11.00jaeteicecap most likely ;)
20:11.03kagaroneriak: thanks
20:11.23ZealotOnAStickNow, I nede to figure out how to get UE32 to display the foreign characters in an appropriate font . . .
20:11.52kagarojaete: let me check the localization real fast
20:12.07jaeteah wait - could be cartographer's libs are out of date
20:12.27jaetedeleted Cartographer/Libs/* and it seems the error is gone
20:12.57kagaroohh heh must have been some outdated AceLocale
20:12.57TrancerMikma: are you still doing anything with Bartender or is nevcairiel on the project now?
20:12.59jaetei got the error by mouseovering some icecap on the winterspring map
20:13.09MikmaTrancer: nevcairiel is on the project
20:13.17Tranceralright, thanks
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20:14.18kagarojaete: ok
20:18.44TheKarnhmm how powerful is purl?
20:19.38TheKarns/(.*)(p[a-z]*)(.*)(p[a-z])/\1\4\3\2/
20:21.06TheKarnnot that powerful then
20:22.35AmadeoMaybe purl thinks they are the overused internet Japanese anime faces, and ignores them like I do
20:22.52TheKarnmaybe...
20:22.59TheKarnor it's expecting $1 instead of \1
20:23.04TheKarnhmm how powerful is purl?
20:23.17TheKarns/(.*)(p[a-z]*)(.*)(p[a-z])/$1$4$3$2/
20:23.22TheKarnnope
20:23.23TheKarnah well
20:23.26TheKarnwas worth a try
20:24.47AmadeoI'm sticking with my theory!
20:24.53CIA-1703ag * r23122 10ag_UnitFrames/ (4 files in 2 dirs):
20:24.53CIA-17ag_UnitFrames
20:24.53CIA-17<PROTECTED>
20:24.53CIA-17<PROTECTED>
20:25.59kagaros/ok/Good try TheKarn/
20:25.59TheKarnkagaro ... would help if you said "OK" first
20:25.59kagaroguess it went too far for purl
20:26.00kagaromy last message has ok in it
20:26.00TheKarns/OK/s\/ok\/Good try TheKarn\//
20:26.03TheKarnhmm
20:26.07TheKarndamn purl stripped my slashes
20:26.22TheKarns/slashes/\\\//
20:26.23kagaromaybe purl is just laggin a little
20:26.55TheKarnsomewhat
20:27.11kagaros/purl/reverse(\$1)/
20:27.44kagaros/meant/reverse($1)/
20:28.00kagaroguess reverse isnt exposed
20:28.16TheKarni doubt any functions are exposed
20:28.28kagaroyeah me too, was worth a shot
20:29.06kagaroman is today dragging on and on, i need to get home and do some memory tests
20:29.08TheKarns/any (functions)/$1/
20:29.28TheKarnnope purl doesnt like me
20:29.33TheKarnpurl, do you like me?
20:29.43purlyes, I like me.
20:29.53TheKarnpurl, do you like TheKarn
20:29.55purlyes, I like TheKarn.
20:30.08Mikmapurl: why?
20:30.09purlBecause!
20:30.16Mikmapurl: gay
20:30.18purlfrom memory, gay is the queerest thing I've ever heard.
20:30.28TheKarnpurl, emulate mikma
20:30.29purlACTION is an assclown.
20:30.34Mikma:D
20:30.34TheKarnpwnd
20:31.48kenlyric|workpoor purl
20:32.18TheKarnpurl, abuse yourself.
20:32.20purlACTION smacks yourself. across the face. "Take that, sucker!"
20:32.32TheKarnpurl, whaleslap you.
20:32.33purlACTION beats you. upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh
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20:33.44grzesieqanyone from spain here?
20:34.06GtyrteFrom norway.
20:34.35Neriakpurl: die
20:34.37purlACTION takes two shots to the head and crumples to the ground, lifeless.
20:34.45Neriaklol
20:35.05TainSpain is practically Norway
20:35.46GtyrteYes.
20:36.25GtyrteThe language is very similiar.
20:36.58AmadeoGtyrte: Hola
20:37.01Neriakfunny the whole WowWiki was written under heavy use of alcohol ... nice gimmick
20:38.06GtyrteAmadeo: Helu =)
20:39.05AmadeoNeriak: Same way most people are conceived!
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20:39.46Kirkburn|afkLookit! http://worldofraids.free.fr/bc/diagram.jpg
20:39.53grzesieqold!
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20:40.01Kirkburn|afkHate!
20:40.03Kirkburn|afkYou!
20:40.13grzesieqI think I'm going to study in Spain.
20:40.30grzesieqdo they have cheap booze there?
20:40.40Mikmaag`: hi, i have a question
20:40.43TainYou can buy absinthe in Spain.
20:40.47TheKarnpurl, i like you, do you like me?
20:40.48purlYou like you, do you like me?
20:40.57AmadeoI dunno, but you can come to my neighborhood if you want, it's practically Mexico now
20:40.59Kirkburn|afkhaha
20:41.15Kirkburn|afkTheKarn, I think the truth is coming out
20:41.35TheKarnpurl do you like sex?
20:41.37purlyes, I like sex.
20:41.44TheKarnhorny bot
20:41.47TheKarndamn i'm bored
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20:42.03ag`ugh this shit sucks
20:42.07Kirkburn|afkpurl, do you like TheKarn?
20:42.08purlyes, I like TheKarn.
20:42.18TheKarnpurl do you like tek cock?
20:42.19purlyes, I like tek cock.
20:42.27TheKarndamn if only i could type
20:42.28Kirkburn|afkpurl, you're so predictable
20:42.29ag`mouse doesn't work on my frames anymore after I did frameStrata="LOW"
20:42.31TheKarns/tek/teh
20:42.36TheKarns/tek/teh/
20:42.40TheKarndamn
20:42.40Ominouscan locks curses be resisted?
20:42.50Kirkburn|afkHmm, I'd better tell Tekkub about this revelation
20:43.12Mikmaag`: http://wow.reaktio.net/agdef1.jpg .. what do you think?
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20:44.04ag`Mikma: there's no room for auras below the target frame
20:44.14Mikmaag`: auras are on right side
20:44.21Kirkburn|afkMikma, is that ToT and ToToT?
20:44.24MikmaKirkburn|afk: yeap
20:44.34Kirkburn|afkWhat about /focus ?
20:44.40Mikmafocus is in the middle
20:44.45ag`I think I'd prefer the auras below and tot on the right
20:44.46Mikmait has no place set in defaults
20:45.03Mikmaag`: ok then, just wanted to know your opinnion about it
20:45.15kergothwonder if someone is gonna do something like buffalo for the target.  i saw someone posted on it on the forums, thats what i want too :)
20:45.18ag`I think setting them below is more noob friendly
20:45.21Kirkburn|afkYeugh, borders! :P
20:45.38Mikmaag`: yes, i am doing default-positions for you :P
20:45.56ag`but aguf is fucked on the SVN atm
20:45.59Mikmaag`: also, i'm sad to say that you have positioning problems :(
20:46.03ag`you can't select raid units
20:46.06TheKarnanyone have some decent baggins setups
20:46.07TheKarn?
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20:46.17MikmaTheKarn: i have engineering-setup
20:46.54Mikmaag`: have you noticed? ag frames don't obay scale. if you set default-positions and then change scale thjy get fucked up after /rl
20:47.03hillbillyi've got mana/health icons ovre my toons head and I cant figure out whats putting them either unitframes or ArchHUD. when I unclick a target it goes away. I've tried checkimng and unchecking everthing in both unit frames and  ArchHud with no luck. Anyidea which addone is showing this?
20:47.42Hjaltehillbilly: It'd be easier to identify with a picture :)
20:47.55[Cu]Werikor just turn off archhud and see if it's still there..
20:48.05hillbillyyea i know im at work so Ill have to post that tonight on the forums
20:48.20hillbillyDOH
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20:49.42Mikmaag`: OH, btw... i noticed that ["AuraStyle"] = "something" is useless now
20:49.53GagorianOminous: yeah
20:50.03Mikmaag`: that one is located in all frames in ag_Defaults.lua
20:50.07Ominousthanks
20:50.26TheKarnanyone want a mod to lookup what PT sets an item is classified under?
20:50.32TheKarnor is there one already?
20:50.42MikmaPTBrowser?
20:50.59kenlyric|workdamn.. the automaton auto-accept for BG doesn't give you any warning..
20:51.14ag`yep
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20:51.39jaetekagaro, actually, i'm still getting that icecap locale error
20:52.28Mikmaag`: "yep" for me or who?
20:52.45kagarohmm i checked Cartographer_Herbalism and it has ["Icecap"] = "Eiskappe", for a translation did you update your cartographer_herblaism and cartographer lately?
20:52.55nymbiaPT2Browser can't do that right now, but i just thought of a good way to implement it.
20:53.49jaetealso getting this: [2007/01/02 22:48:15-57-x1]: <event>ADDON_ACTION_BLOCKED:AddOn 'Ace2' tried to call the protected function 'GridLayoutHeader8UnitButton5:SetAttribute()'.
20:54.09nymbiajaete: that'd be taint.
20:54.15TheKarnand there is no dropdown box capability in Dewdrop is there?
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20:54.32nymbiaTheKarn: dropdown.. box? how do you mean?
20:54.35jaetei have the versions of cartographer and cartographer_herbalism that are at wowace.com/files right now
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20:55.40TheKarncombobox
20:56.11ckknightTheKarn: what's that imply?
20:56.30Ominousis anyone else having trouble with wowwiki
20:56.39ag`I'm having like the wierdest problem
20:56.40TheKarnan editable dropdown list
20:56.44kagarohmm you shouldnt get the error then, unless your saved variable Db gt messed up somehow .. can you check your saved variables Cartographer_Herbalism and find the icecap entry and see what it says ?
20:56.45TheKarnhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combo_box
20:57.10ag`I haev my unit frames strata set to LOW, normal frames works fine but those created by the raid header doesn't receive mouse
20:57.10SylfiHas anyone here had a problem checking in a mod to SVN? I get the message: MKACTIVITY of '/wowace/!svn/act/a3c...': Could not parse response status line.
20:57.15SylfiWhat am I doing wrong?
20:57.28nymbiaTheKarn: ie, select an item from your inventory or enter one manually?
20:57.39TheKarnkinda
20:57.41TheKarnbut not quite
20:58.01nymbiaTheKarn: well i'm writing in the item lookup right now so
20:58.07kagarojaete: all i can guess is it picked up a bad trnaslation somewhere
20:58.08nymbiasuggestions go! ;)
20:58.16kagaros/trnaslation/translation/
20:58.17ckknightTheKarn: Dewdrop is mostly concerned with the menu itself, not the textarea/button you have it attached to
20:58.28TheKarnckknight, i'm not talking about that
20:58.29ZealotOnAStickckknight: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info6674-CartographerScribe.html
20:58.30ckknightbut you could use Dewdrop as part of a combobox
20:58.35TheKarndewdrop has an editbox
20:58.41TheKarnfor entering text
20:58.57TheKarni'm thinking of an autocomplete based on a predefined list/table
20:59.06Ordoggroll: the topic was yata, alot to do there useability wise but i guess Tornhoof wont regret a list of wishes (alternative would be Call of Elements but the updates are rare nowadays on that)
20:59.12ckknightZealotOnAStick: coolness
20:59.20TheKarnso for instance if you had an editbox that accepted a PT set, as you are typing it shows a list of PT sets that match what you've typed
20:59.34TheKarnkinda like suggestions on googles toolbar
21:00.07ckknightTheKarn: that's perfectly doable with Dewdrop
21:00.19TheKarnas it is already
21:00.19TheKarn?
21:00.23ckknightyou just need your own code to refresh it and generate the list
21:00.27ckknightpretty simple.
21:00.46ckknightas I said before but you brushed me off, Dewdrop is mostly concerned with the menu itself, not the textarea/button you have it attached to, but you could use Dewdrop as part of a combobox
21:01.13TheKarnwhat so have a dewdrop show below another dewdrop edit box as you're typing?
21:01.29TheKarnand populate that dewdrop with, say, the top 10 matches from the table?
21:01.52ckknightyea.
21:02.17TheKarn... couldnt it be built into dewdrop? :P just feed it the table :)
21:02.26TheKarnor am i just being lazy?
21:02.31ckknightlazy
21:02.51TheKarn~seen nargiddley
21:03.10purlnargiddley <n=narg@203-97-236-74.cable.telstraclear.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 1d 9h 57m 44s ago, saying: 'but i'm always terrible at getting to sleep on time'.
21:03.17nymbiackknight: when drag-drop support into dewdrop editboxes is possible, are you just gonna have it fill in the item's link?
21:03.32ckknightthe code's already in, that's what it does
21:03.40ckknightthe whole link, not just the name
21:03.48nymbiaTheKarn: he was going out of town for a few days
21:03.51TheKarnah ok
21:03.55nymbiackknight: great, thanks
21:04.07TheKarni'll do a quick branch then to try my PT Set dropdown list thingy
21:04.07kagaroZealotOnAStick: well thats interesting code
21:04.14TheKarn(stop me if i'm getting too technical)
21:05.26nymbiaTheKarn: yeah, that's a good idea.  oh, and for the actual item search -- iterate through AceLibrary("PeriodicTable-2.0").k looking for matches to the item id
21:05.41ZealotOnAStickkagaro: huh?
21:06.02kagaroZealotOnAStick: I downloaded the scribe module and looked at it
21:06.28ZealotOnAStickOh.  Not mine.  I just saw it, checked to see if it was on the SVN (wasn't) and linked it for ck's probable interest.
21:06.36nymbiait ought to be designed just like InstanceNotes
21:06.55kagaro^nymbia 'cept i think it should be an addon to POI
21:06.55ckknight|workright.
21:08.29Tornhooffor a script ;)
21:08.31Tovortdoes cartographer add "coordinates" to the mouse pointer on the map?
21:08.52Mikmayes
21:09.02ckknight|workyes, in the coordinates module
21:09.13ckknight|workTovort: it also tells yards away you are from your cursor
21:09.15ckknight|workand such.
21:09.23Tovortthanks :-) Is "Alpha" as scarry as it sounds?
21:09.31jaetekagaro, bah, it was a bug in my savedvariables/cartographer_herbalism.lua :)
21:09.38MikmaTovort: yes it is quite scary
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21:09.53Mikmawhen you try it you almost shit your pants
21:09.56Mikmathen you love it
21:10.09kagarojaete: ahh  did you at some point switch localiations?
21:10.14TovortMikma: BugSack will love it then :D
21:10.15jaetenope
21:10.26jaetebut i downloaded someone else's saved file
21:10.30jaeteand that had the error in it
21:10.50kagaroohh that would do it
21:11.01ckknight|workTovort: what's alpha?
21:11.25Mikmahttp://peretfamily.netfirms.com/peretfamily.com/media/text/howthefuck.html
21:11.54TovortThe description on the wowace site of Cartographer says it's an alpha version, that's what i meant
21:13.04ckknight|workoh
21:13.04ckknight|workum
21:13.08ckknight|workI wouldn't consider it that
21:13.14ckknight|workand being the author, that's a good sign
21:13.25ckknight|workit's release, seeing as it's on the release sites
21:13.41CIA-1703nimbal 07Nimbal * r23123 10Buffalo/Buffalo/ (6 files in 2 dirs):
21:13.41CIA-17Buffalo(Branch)
21:13.41CIA-17- weapon buffs almost work
21:13.41CIA-17- mixing of layouts works
21:13.41CIA-17- saving and loading customization works
21:13.42CIA-17- let's work some more
21:13.50ckknight|workbut just know there's two ways to run it: Development (bleeding edge style with more features), or Release (from WoWI)
21:15.05Ominousso are eu getting 2.0.3 tomorr?
21:15.25nevcairieldunno
21:15.28nevcairieldid us get today?
21:15.36kenlyric|workaren't you guys not even having maint tomorrow?
21:15.49Ominouswe are
21:15.52nevcairieli think they postponed the not-offline-maint
21:15.53Ominousaccording to login
21:16.06kenlyric|workno, no patch today on us.
21:18.52jaetedamn, when is the patch coming then, next week?
21:19.09kenlyric|workor the week after.
21:19.30Ominousdont have 2 weeks b4 TBC
21:19.36kenlyric|workuh huh.
21:19.37Ominous15th isnt it
21:19.48kenlyric|workand when exactly did they say this was  pre-tbc patch?
21:19.52BarbanusThey wont patch 1 week before TBC, thats retarded
21:20.17Tain16th for TBC
21:20.38Tornhoofthey will
21:20.41TainIt isn't retarded.
21:20.41Tornhooffor certain
21:21.04TainTBC is more in-game content, the patch people are talking about is for game mechanics.
21:21.06Tornhoofand i wouldn't be surprised if thats a week where the servers won't be running much at all
21:21.26grolloh Tornhoof ur here :D
21:21.34grollhow do i add the totems i want to a totemset?
21:21.48AmadeoI predict huge downtime when TBC is released
21:21.52TainIt makes less sense to force people to download even more all at once with the massive slam of millions of people trying to update for TBC.
21:21.52kenlyric|workconsidering every other MMO (including wow) patches on release day, yeah, it seems more than likely.
21:21.52AmadeoYou heard it here first
21:22.02kenlyric|workAmadeo: shock and awe.
21:22.18TainI'm waiting for the Wii version of WoW.
21:22.23AmadeoJust call me Amadomus
21:22.31ckknight|workTain: that'd be awesome
21:22.34ckknight|workchop chop.
21:22.36AmadeoYou can make the Wiimote work with WoW
21:22.41kagarothey sent the masters off 3 weeks ago so you will get a patch release day
21:22.42TainYeah saw that.
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21:23.15odthttp://www.dumoti.com/ars/notxjack-1069425.jpg
21:24.20Amadeoit's not rocket surgery!
21:25.04kergothNimbal: what would it take to use the core of buffalo to display the target's buffs? :)
21:25.59NimbalAlready in. Any unit that's watched by SE-Aura. Focus, raidXY, party, target...
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21:26.16NimbalJust a matter of layouts which are displayed and which aren't
21:26.28kergothslick
21:26.33Mikmaag`: the positions now overlap the buffs in unitframes :(
21:26.35kergoth~praise Nimbal
21:26.37purlAll hail Nimbal!
21:26.40grollanyone using yata?
21:26.53ag`Mikma: what frames
21:27.07Mikmaag`: petframe goes over playerframe auras
21:27.25Amadeohahaha, my favorite quote: "I don't care how you did it in your guild. Your guild sucked. That's why you're in my guild."
21:27.25ag`then move them down
21:27.50grolloh well seems nobody is so back to that later then :D
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21:27.53AmadeoI'd leave a guild if the raid leader/guild leader were a chump like that
21:28.09Mikmaag`: yes i will but i want the default to be perfect :)
21:28.52Nimbalkergoth, don't get excited too early. I haven't tested this in a raid environment with dozens of buff events hammering Buffalo. This might get real ugly
21:29.35kergothhehe
21:29.54ag`then change the defaults Mikma
21:29.55kergothwell, it sounds like you've got a clean design for it at least, the rest is just implementation details :)
21:30.14Mikmaag`: i was going to but you didn't like my default layout i planned *sadface*
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21:34.34Mikmahehe, i reported an issue of Shimmering Flats
21:34.48Mikmathe NPC there is screaming $n instead of goblin racer
21:35.05Mikma"we are aware of this issue and will be corrected in the future"
21:35.06Gngsksame thing with benediction quest
21:35.06CIA-1703sylfi * r23124 10PlayerRating/ (11 files):
21:35.06CIA-17PlayerRating:
21:35.06CIA-17- Updated for WoW 2.0
21:35.06CIA-17- Added TTL for ratings
21:35.06CIA-17- Added a menu to browse all ratings
21:35.06CIA-17- AceComm's SendMessage appears broken for custom channels
21:36.10CIA-1703neriak * r23125 10Fence/modules/ (Fence_AutoFill.lua Fence_BidWatch.lua):
21:36.10CIA-17Fence:
21:36.10CIA-17- AutoFill/BidWatch: made both modules local
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21:38.20TheKarnckknight how would i go about attaching this dewdrop to the editbox of another dewdrop?
21:39.20AntiarcJust register the dewdrop on the dropdown button.
21:39.25andremarhms, something is messed in carto rev 23119, the notes are all "of the spot" and cant be clicked to bring up instance loot for instance
21:40.33CIA-1703nymbia * r23126 10PT2Browser/ (PT2Browser-enUS.lua PT2Browser.lua): PT2Browser: Added a basic item search box. Accepts item ids and names (properly capitalized), will also support drag-and-drop as of 2.0.3
21:40.56nymbiaTheKarn: ^
21:41.08TheKarnhehe ty
21:41.32nymbiaTheKarn: it's not as cool as what you're planning but if you're unclear on any of the interaction with pt, take a look ;)
21:41.46Nimbal~seen rabbit
21:42.11purlrabbit <n=rabbit@net.w0w0w.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #kde, 496d 22h 12m 9s ago, saying: '+in'.
21:42.12TheKarnok ty
21:42.14TheKarni'm just gunna get the suggestion-list working first :)
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21:45.26Tovortwow Cartographer is pretty impressive
21:45.30Mikmatold ya
21:45.39NimbalDoes anyone know what SE-Aura does on PLAYER_LOGIN? From the source-code, it seems like it's looking for another lib that has done the work already, but I'm not sure. Sometimes, the SE-Aura events won't fire on a ReloadUI(), that's why I'm asking
21:45.48Mikma<2309> <Mikma> when you try it you almost shit your pants
21:45.48Mikma<2309> <Mikma> then you love it
21:46.15TovortMikma: :-)
21:46.31MikmaWobin: why? :D
21:46.55Wobinyour incontinence problem =P
21:47.07MikmaWobin: what problem? :O
21:47.24Wobin<Mikma> <2309> <Mikma> when you try it you almost shit your pants
21:47.38Mikmathat's not MY problem hehe :D
21:47.47ag`Is there anyway I can like rig every frame to say their name when I click on them?
21:47.51WobinYou're obviously speaking from experience there  =)
21:48.07MikmaWobin: yeah, what i have heard of haha
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21:48.16WobinHi, my name is "INIGO MONTOYA"
21:48.35MikmaWobin: did you fix the "not watched faction paste error" of FuXPFu? :)
21:48.43Wobinyeah
21:48.45WobinI think so
21:48.57Wobinin that it'll paste the xp if no watched faction
21:48.58hasteag`: onclick + GetMouseFocus():GetName() ?
21:49.02MikmaWobin: and why does not the FuXPFu hide automatically if FuBar does at login? (i think this has been discussed earlier)
21:49.08hasteoh, every frame:D
21:49.25MikmaWobin: well i just tested, error :D
21:49.29Wobincause FuBar isn't properly hiding
21:49.31Wobinit fakes it
21:49.37Wobinwell I can't fix it now =P
21:49.41Wobinhave to go to work
21:49.43Mikmadoesn't matter heh
21:49.58hasteag`: You can EnumerateFrames (or whatever the function was named), and securely hook every OnClick or setup a new OnClick - not pretty but it should work at least
21:49.59Mikmashould just add some faction to watch so i'd get rid of the error
21:50.13MikmaWobin: aka "user is too stupid just to click the icon with mouse"
21:51.13ag`haste: thanks I'll check it out
21:51.19Mikmaag`: so about the defaults...
21:51.31Mikmaag`: you want the layout you have made to be the default?
21:51.45doktoreasanyone can tell me a nice enemy casting bar?
21:51.58ag`yeah, but you can fix the pet default position if you like
21:52.12Mikmaag`: ok :P
21:53.19Mikmaag`: btw. i can't alt+rightclick partymembers if i'm not a leader of my group
21:53.22dafirehmm.. i have a problem with my fubar plugin ... when i detach the tooltip from the menu it's working fine .. when i detach it from a function using a keybinding i get the error that the detached tooltip has no owner :(
21:53.34Mikmaag`: that means i can't configure their frames without /aguf config
21:53.37dafireit's calling the same function
21:54.11Gngskdoes '/aguf about' give anyone else errors?
21:54.24MikmaGngsk: no
21:54.26CIA-1703ominous * r23127 10FuBar_WarlockTimerFu/ (18 files in 4 dirs): FuBar_WarlockTimerFu : Initial commit
21:54.47Gngskk, cool. just curious
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21:55.38TheKarnckknight is it possible to show two dewdrops at the same time?
21:55.41Mikmaag`: and agUF has scale issues, yes ;)
21:56.01dafireahh.. now its working
21:56.18dafireself is not self when calling using the keybinding .9
21:57.07TovortI did a couple of minor tweaks to aguf, eg reintroduced the healthbartext and manabartext, is that worth submitting?
21:57.40Milesurgh wtf was blizzard thinking
21:57.55MilesOut of date addons @ tbc beta
21:58.07TovortMiles: That's something I've thought a lot of times :D
21:58.38dafirehmm.. or not
21:58.55TemMiles, there are significant changes between 2.0.2 and 2.0.3
21:59.40Temer
21:59.47Tembetween 2.0.1 and 2.0.3
22:00.05CIA-1703ominous * r23128 10FuBar_WarlockTimerFu/ (10 files in 3 dirs):
22:00.05CIA-17FuBar_WarlockTimerFu:
22:00.05CIA-17-Added externals
22:00.05CIA-17-Added SVN keywords
22:00.05CIA-17-Changed readme
22:00.14kagarocya time to go home
22:00.52TheKarnis there any way to return the frame the keyboard has focus in?
22:01.36nevcairieltem do you know if the pet support is in partyheader or raidgroupheader already?
22:01.50Temthere is no pet support afaik
22:02.00nevcairieli heard that its planned
22:02.04nevcairiel..somewhere..
22:02.11ZealotOnAStickag: are you set on all the icon positioning on the ABF layout?  Or would you be open to taking a look at my revision of it?
22:02.49Tem<PROTECTED>
22:03.14pastamancerhmm, I sketched out some notes on using unitwatch and a stateheader to resize a unit's frame based on the non-/existance of that unit's pet
22:03.27pastamancermaybe I'll have a chance to throw together a proof-of-concept sometime
22:04.07Mikmacan anyone tell me where is the summoning circle in Barrens?
22:04.19Mikmais it on top of the mountain near xroads?
22:04.20hasteMikma: warlock?
22:04.46Mikmahaste: warlock.
22:05.28ag`ZealotOnAStick:  where would you want them?
22:05.39ag`pastamancer: I need that code
22:05.43hasteMikma: tower in ratchet or something if it's the warlock stuff
22:06.08dafirehaste: hi :) how's oUF going ? ;)
22:06.16Mikmahaste: oh right, someone is doing the same quest hehe
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22:06.31pastamancerag`: I was thinking of aguf when I made the notes
22:06.38ag`notes?
22:06.43MikmaTekkub: hi angry man
22:06.43hastedafire: haven't touched in a while
22:06.51Tekkub:P
22:06.54pastamancerag`: I just have a sheet of paper with some notes on how I think I could do it
22:06.59ag`ah, ok
22:07.10ag`I think it was Tem who talked about doing it in wowace-dev
22:07.20ag`ie. how it could be done in 2.0.3
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22:07.26ag`maybe discuss it with him
22:07.34ag`you could probably figure out some epic stuff
22:08.01ZealotOnAStickag`: Here's my agUF layout.  The sizing stuff and so forth is of course personal, but the icon positions I rearranged to overlap less and places that make more "sense" to me.
22:08.04Temthe way it can ben done is pretty hacky
22:08.11ZealotOnAStickhttp://ace.pastey.net/4384
22:08.31TheKarnckknight|work, does :Open(frame) close all other dewdrops?
22:08.57pastamancerTem: is it going to get better, or should I actually start working on turning my notes into code?
22:09.07Temdunno
22:09.17ag`I wouldn't mind if you did it pastamancer
22:09.22ag`:P
22:09.27pastamancer:)
22:09.27ag`cause I need it
22:09.49Mikmahaste: i don't get it. "Requires barrens summoning circle" all over :P can't use it anywhere
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22:10.22hasteMikma: tried in the tower :p?
22:10.51Mikmahaste: what tower? i'm at the hut where i got the book
22:11.06hasteread the quest :p
22:11.09Mikmahaste: well, i think it's the tower
22:11.17Mikmabut when i go inside i still can't use the book
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22:11.44Mikmai think i have messed up :D
22:11.50Mikmaprolly need to redo the quest
22:12.13ZealotOnAStickIs there a better way to determine an itemname/itemlink on inspect than GameToolTip with GetName() ?
22:13.17Amadeolol - http://projects.info-pull.com/moab/
22:13.20Mikmahaste: ok got it, abandoned the quest and took it over
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22:13.29CIA-1703ag * r23129 10ag_UnitFrames/ (ag_GroupClass.lua layouts/ABF.lua):
22:13.29CIA-17ag_UnitFrames
22:13.29CIA-17<PROTECTED>
22:14.31kenlyric|workwhat purpose do the SV backup files serve?
22:15.12Mikmaag`: while you at it, fix partyframe too
22:15.21ag`Mikma: what
22:15.29Mikmawell i can't mouseover / click my party
22:15.37ag`it's the same bug
22:15.39ag`the code is shared
22:15.43Mikmagood
22:19.58ckknight|workTheKarn: yes, only one Dewdrop can be open at one time
22:21.25CIA-1703ominous * r23130 10FuBar_WarlockTimerFu/ (Core.lua FuBar_WarlockTimerFu.toc): FuBar_WarlockTimerFu: touch the toc
22:22.25TheKarnso having a dewdrop of auto-complete suggestions for a dewdrop-editbox is futile :P
22:24.59CIA-1703ominous * r23131 10FuBar_WarlockTimerFu/ (Core.lua FuBar_WarlockTimerFu.toc): FuBar_WarlockTimerFu: toc again
22:25.01ckknight|workTheKarn: unless something was written into Dewdrop itself...
22:25.05dafireah .. ckknight|work... have a small question ;)
22:25.14ckknight|workwhich would be super-hard to do
22:25.18dafirehmm.. i have a problem with my fubar plugin ... when i detach the tooltip from the menu it's working fine .. when i detach it from a function using a keybinding i get the error that the detached tooltip has no owner :(
22:25.27ckknight|workespecially if we want it to stay implementation-agnostic
22:25.28CIA-1703nimbal 07Nimbal * r23132 10Buffalo/Buffalo/ (Buffalo.lua Buffalo_Button.lua Buffalo_Container.lua):
22:25.28CIA-17Buffalo(Branch):
22:25.28CIA-17- Fixed zero count weapon buffs
22:25.28CIA-17- Weapon buffs are now detected on login
22:25.28CIA-17- Frame coordinates are rounded now
22:25.43ckknight|workdafire: get me the full debugstack
22:26.12dafireok
22:26.15CIA-1703ominous * r23133 10FuBar_WarlockTimerFu/ (Core.lua RuleSet.lua): FuBar_WarlockTimerFu: Opps svn keywords
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22:27.47dafireckknight|work: uhm .. in fact when i detach it nothing happens.. but when i try to reattach then using ToggleTooltipDetached it bugs
22:27.52ZealotOnAStickoy, that bit.
22:27.53dafirehttp://ace.pastey.net/4388
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22:28.49dafireif i do the detach and reload the ui it's showing up
22:29.05Wogroiplckknight: I was asked by a guily if it was possible to have Cartographer_Herbalism on even if you are not a herbalist. Any idea if that's possible?
22:29.24ckknight|workthere should be an option, but I just don't know right now
22:29.40Wogroiplckknight: they think Cartographer rocks btw :)
22:30.47ZealotOnAStickAs of last night or so, there should be three options for the professions modules - always on, with profession, or never.
22:32.53HjalteOminous: "FuBar plugin to create some candybar's for Warlocks stuns, dots and DOTs." What's the difference between dots and DOTS? :)
22:32.59Ominousi know :D
22:33.01ckknight|work~moredots
22:33.10purlHit it like you mean it!
22:33.10Ominousits changed
22:33.14Ominousyea
22:33.14Ominous:D
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22:36.34OminousHjalte: FuBar plugin to create some candybar's for Warlocks DOTs, Curses and other events. now :P
22:36.57HjalteOminous: Nice ;) I'll try it out and I'll probably have some requests. hehe.
22:37.01Ominoushehe
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22:38.02GorlumHello anyone.
22:38.20GorlumCan anyone help me with problem logging in dev's SVN?
22:39.27ZealotOnAStickhrm.
22:40.28ZealotOnAStickWhy does http://www.wowace.com/wiki return a 404 rather then redirecting to /wiki/Main_Page like http://www.wowace.com/ does?
22:40.34Mikmabecause Kaelten sucks lolo
22:42.56ZealotOnAStickIs there any point in my using AceDB if I'm only temporarily caching information into memory, and not ever needing/wanting to save that out to disk/SV file?
22:43.09ckknight|workno need, ZealotOnAStick
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22:45.08TheKarnhmm really not sure this is actually possible
22:45.23ckknight|workeverything is possible
22:45.32ckknight|workexcept things that are unsolvable
22:45.41ckknight|workand NP-hard problems can be pretty tough, too
22:45.49ckknight|workor just anything in NP
22:45.57ckknight|work*thumbs up*
22:46.01TheKarn...
22:46.04dafire(:
22:46.20TheKarnckknight|work, i have a dewdrop editbox and a tablet, but when i click on one of the "suggestions" in the tablet the dewdrop menu closes :(
22:46.36TheKarnso even if i had made a method to change the text of the editbox, i wouldnt be able to use it ;)
22:47.02TheKarni assume thats because the dewdrop loses focus and closes
22:47.45Wogroiplag`: are you here?
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22:50.21snurre-i there an ace addon to control shard amount?
22:50.35ckknight|workTheKarn: if you move away from a dewdrop for 3 seconds, it closes.
22:50.44ckknight|worksnurre-: AmmoFu?
22:50.59Hjaltesnurre-: Shardace can do that, but it also has a necrosis-like part
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22:51.17snurre-using acolyte atm, but i dont really like it
22:51.23TheKarnckknight|work, but not with an open editbox ;)
22:51.52ZealotOnASticksnurre- - a few I think.  Try eeShards, ShardAce, AmmoFu, uhm . . .
22:52.16ZealotOnAStickmaybe Acolyte
22:52.21snurre-not acolyte afaik
22:52.24snurre-only warns
22:52.31snurre-want something that deletes shards like necrosis
22:52.47ZealotOnAStickI'm fairly certain ShardAce was updated a couple of days ago to allow deleting shards beyond a threshold.
22:53.15snurre-cool
22:53.40ckknight|workTheKarn: quite possible the click is causing the close
22:53.49ckknight|workTheKarn: an open editbox has infinite time to press enter/escape
22:54.06TheKarnckknight|work, i got it to work now
22:54.15ckknight|workhooray
22:54.17TheKarnjust need the tablet to refresh on text change
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22:54.36ZealotOnAStickok, in default lua, "BlizzFunction = MyFunction;" is simply a hook?
22:56.58TheKarnZOAS it replaces the function
22:56.58TheKarnit doesnt hook it
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22:57.21TheKarnunless MyFunction  =  function(...) --[[ your function contents]] BlizzFunction(...) end
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23:03.53TheKarnwhy doesnt tablet:Refresh(this) refresh the tablet?
23:04.11TheKarnwait
23:04.14TheKarndamn i'm dumb
23:04.24CIA-1703karlthepagan 07Karl * r23134 10Bits/Bits/Bits-1.0/Bits-1.0.lua:
23:04.24CIA-17Bits:
23:04.24CIA-17<PROTECTED>
23:04.24CIA-17<PROTECTED>
23:04.29KarlThePagan~pat CIA-17
23:04.31purlACTION pats CIA-17 and says "Nicely Done!"
23:05.49Nimbal_*mumbles something about damn patterns* Is there a nice pattern that would filter out only the first letters of a string? I.e "Blessing of Kings" --> "BoK". With string.gsub or something that substitutes empty string for everything other than the first characters.
23:07.55CIA-1703karlthepagan * r23135 10Bits/:
23:07.55CIA-17Bits:
23:07.55CIA-17<PROTECTED>
23:07.56CIA-17<PROTECTED>
23:08.34CIA-1703jncl * r23136 10Skinner/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Skinner: PCUF again; Skinned MobileFrames tooltip
23:09.15KarlThePaganNimbal_, string.gfind((%w)%w*) perhaps?
23:09.22dafirei guess a self:func() call in function is as fast as it would be local ?
23:09.33KarlThePaganput the first word character in a capture
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23:12.47Nimbal_KarlThePagan: Hm, could work. But I have to reread on the return value of string.gmatch.
23:12.53HjalteDoes any of you know how to stop TortoiseSVN from chaching some files in my addons folder?
23:13.49Makkhttp://www.darklegacycomics.com/69.html
23:13.52Tornhoofcaching?
23:13.54Makkmaking that addon NOW:
23:13.55Makk:D
23:14.00Tornhoofyou mean lall those .svn files?
23:14.49OminousMakk: :D lol
23:14.53Makk:D:D:D:
23:16.22TheKarnwahey it works
23:16.56Nimbal_KarlThePagan: Yep, works like a charm. Thank you
23:16.56KarlThePagancoolness
23:17.13HjalteTornhoof: TSVNcache.exe is locking Fence\modules and Fance\libs and makes wau stumble when it tries to update it.
23:17.17Antiarcckknight|work: You around?
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23:18.32ckknight|workAntiarc: kinda at work
23:19.46Tornhoofah that one hjalte, sec yeh you could change something there
23:19.51AntiarcI'm wondering how hard it would be to modify Cart for WSG - when a team member targets a flag carrier, send an addon message and other cart users would mark their map circle with a flag icon or something.
23:20.08AntiarcI'm looking through the source right now, doesn't seem too infeasable, but I wanted your expert opinion :D
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23:20.20AntiarcActually...
23:20.34AntiarcCan you get ToT info for ToTs out of your range?
23:20.42AntiarcThat would negate the need for addon messages.
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23:21.19Tornhoofnope sorry hjalte, that does not cover that
23:22.20CIA-1703karlthepagan * r23137 10Bits/:
23:22.20CIA-17Bits:
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23:23.18ag`Antiarc: I've thought about it, but you never know the distance to your party members target
23:23.23ag`so
23:23.30HjalteTornhoof, oh :(
23:23.32AntiarcI don't really care about distance. Some indicator is better than none.
23:23.46AntiarcI just want to know who can see the flag. If they can, I can go to them and see it as well.
23:23.52pastamancerNimbal_: http://ace.pastey.net/4394
23:23.55HjalteAntiarc: It's a good idea
23:24.03AntiarcI'm gonna try it using ToT info first.
23:24.14AntiarcStandalone addon, then maybe a cart module for integration
23:25.38TheKarnanyone know a string.gfind() that rips the itemid from a link (if thats whats put into the editbox when dragging and dropping an item)
23:25.56Antiarcgfind Hitem:(%d+):
23:26.08kergothAntiarc: sounds nifty
23:26.30Tornhoofwhich reminds me, is there any easy way to shorten those keybindings? like shift-num-X is kinda long for a button
23:26.42KarlThePaganone problem tho Antiarc you can't exactly get the location of your target
23:26.55KarlThePaganunless they're in a certain range
23:27.07AntiarcI don't care about target's location
23:27.17AntiarcI just want to know who I can go assist to find the flag.
23:27.19KarlThePaganoh oh "who can see the flag"
23:27.20KarlThePagangot it
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23:27.42KarlThePaganlazyscript had a feature related to that
23:27.57KarlThePaganthey had to scan the combat messages and remember the last person who picked it up
23:27.58TularHey guys
23:28.10KarlThePaganbecause the flag is a buff and not something you can see on inspecting the enemy
23:28.12TularI just got KC_Mobility, and tried moving a bag
23:28.18Tularbad things happened, LOL
23:28.35Nimbal_pastamancer: Argh! Metatables! Does it have any advantages over http://ace.pastey.net/4396 ?
23:28.37CIA-1703sylvanaar 07sylvanaar * r23138 10Prat/PratX/ (8 files in 2 dirs): Prat: >???
23:28.44Tularanyone know how to reset the bags, anayone know what file I need to delete
23:29.44pastamancerNimbal_: yes, the metatable caches the results so you only go through that gmatch nonsense once per unique string
23:30.20TularAnyone else try and move a bag with KC_Mobility?
23:31.03KarlThePagana lot of people probably use OneBag or bagnon :/
23:31.18ilifinany of ye know the syntax for custom bars in BigWigs?
23:31.37TheKarnnymbia, you need to change your ItemSearch slightly
23:32.01Nimbal_pastamancer: Hm, that makes sense. But I'm not sure I can implement it without problems. Anyway, Thank you!
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23:32.35pastamancerNimbal_: well, there's a more traditional way to memoize a function
23:32.38TularI tired Baggins, didnt like it
23:33.03TheKarnilifin, try /bwlcb 30 test
23:33.19HjalteOminous: at the moment, there is no way of knowing what target i cast what on, is there?
23:33.37Ominousyes
23:33.45pastamancerNimbal_: http://ace.pastey.net/4398
23:34.00ilifino neat thekarn
23:34.03ilifinhow do I do that global
23:34.10TularSo, noone else tried mvoing a ba with KC_Mobility?
23:34.21CIA-1703sylvanaar 072.0a01 * r23139 10Prat/: Prat: 2.0 Build that worked
23:34.44OminousHjalte: do you mean in my mod or do you want a methof?
23:34.57HjalteOminous: I mean in your mod :)
23:35.01Ominousshould be
23:35.31Ominousshould be on by default
23:36.28Ominousi havent actually tested it only a guildie as i dont have a lock
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23:36.43HjalteOminous: Hmm, how should it be displayed what target i cast on?
23:36.49Ominousbut ill ask her as soon as she gets out of officer meeting
23:36.55Ominousspell name (target)
23:37.35CIA-1703nymbia * r23140 10PT2Browser/PT2Browser.lua: PT2Browser: no more false positives when searching for a 4 digit itemid.
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23:38.23HjalteIt just says spell name on the bars, no target name
23:38.41ckknight|workNimbal_: ew, garbage!
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23:39.25Nimbal_pastamancer: Ah, yes, that looks much more familiar. Apart from my non-existant experience with metatables, I don't want to scare away potential Buffalo layout authors with advanced lua code.
23:39.42ckknight|workNimbal_: http://www.wowace.com/wiki/Coding_Tips
23:39.45ckknight|workjust refer em there
23:39.48ckknight|workit has metatable usage
23:39.59OminousHjalte: same, ill find out
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23:40.49ckknight|workNimbal_: it's better to use good code than bad code
23:41.07HjalteOminous: Do you think you could make it an option to have like target name and then below that the bars? Then it's easier to find out what targets you have dotted up in a hectic fight
23:41.32Ominousurm dont think so
23:41.36Ominousmaybe ill look
23:42.38pastamancerNimbal_: you'll be better off with the metatable version
23:43.34pastamancerag`: ping
23:44.12TularIs there an addon that allows you to hide a action bar until you hover over it?
23:45.07Tornhoofwithout any anchor to hover over?, i don't think so
23:45.37Tularlike set the alpha to 0 until you hover
23:45.41TheKarnhow do i trigger the OnEnter event?
23:45.44Nimbal_pastamancer, ckknight|work : Sure, but my intention is to avoid something like http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=3738.0  for Buffalo. Having metatables in the example code won't help there. And besides, the abbreviation is not needed so often. I'm far more worried about some nasty table creations I do, but that's another story.
23:45.46TheKarnon an editbox frame
23:46.14pastamancerNimbal_: the strings are short enough that it's not worth using a temp table
23:46.29Tornhoofhmm
23:46.34Tornhoofclockfu is showing the wrong date here
23:47.11ckknight|workTornhoof: what's it show?
23:47.16pastamancerNimbal_: you could show both the metatable and the more "traditional" memoization methods and explain that while functionally equivalent, the metatable method is much more efficient
23:47.24Mikmahttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tribadism :D
23:47.42Tornhoofjanuary, 2nd
23:47.47Tornhoofeven though it's 0:45 here
23:47.52Tornhoofjanuary 3rd
23:48.21OminousHjalte: found the bug, commented out a line
23:48.30HjalteOminous, nice
23:48.35Ominouscant think how to make the target below though
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23:50.07kagarokergoth:ping
23:50.17TheKarnckknight|work, is there any way to trigger the OnEnter event on a dewdrop editbox remotely?
23:50.40ckknight|worknot easily, no
23:50.47TheKarni.e. i have the textbox itself as this, and i can do this:SetText("test") and this:GetText()
23:50.56TheKarni just want to settext then "press enter"
23:50.57TheKarnkinda thing
23:51.03ckknight|workoh
23:51.06ckknight|workthat's different
23:51.09ckknight|workthat's not OnEnter
23:51.12ckknight|workthat's OnEnterPressed
23:51.14TheKarnah ok
23:51.24TheKarnso this:GetScript("OnEnterPressed")() ?
23:51.44ckknight|workyep
23:51.52Nimbal_pastamancer: Right. Probably that's the way to go, Thanks. I see, this will be a really long wiki page...
23:51.55ckknight|workdo this:GetScript("OnEnterPressed")(this)
23:52.06TheKarncool
23:52.35pastamancerNimbal_: be gentle and take them step-by-step from the function without caching, to the traditional caching, to the metatable caching
23:52.38TheKarnsoon be able to enter an itemid into a editbox, it'll show a list of PT sets it's found in (if any) and then when clicking, sets the baggin PTSet to that value :)
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23:54.23ckknight|workpastamancer: and read the coding tips
23:54.38Nimbal_pastamancer: By the way, have you seen my post regarding SE-Aura-2.0? (http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=3250.0) If you are still involved in its development that is.
23:54.39KarlThePaganon the wiki the template {{Addon Infobox|??}} tag... that will work if /trunk/Addon/Addon.toc exists?
23:55.00kergothkagaro: pong
23:55.17kagarook i did a conversion to compare memusage from making tables vs whats in herb and ore now
23:55.18CIA-1703ominous * r23141 10FuBar_WarlockTimerFu/ (Core.lua RuleSet.lua): FuBar_WarlockTimerFu: Opps targets now work!
23:55.20MikmaKarlThePagan: yes. and there is a way of uploading the .toc info there too somewhere. can't remember where
23:55.23MikmaKarlThePagan: ask Tekkub
23:55.29Mikmahe's our Wikimaster
23:55.52Tekkubif the ?? matches the addon name it should
23:56.02kagarodifference isnt all that much
23:56.20KarlThePaganTekkub, Mikma  thx... I just recently checked in /trunk/Bits so I'm guessing it will take a while for the wiki to see the toc ;)
23:56.49MikmaKarlThePagan: you will have to manually enter the .toc for the wikipage you want to show the info
23:56.52kagarounless im losing data somehow
23:57.02pastamancerNimbal_: taking a look now
23:57.09Tekkubonly one commit to bits?
23:57.38KarlThePaganTekkub, the rest of my work is in branches/Bits/Karl/Bits
23:57.40CIA-1703ominous * r23142 10FuBar_RogueTimerFu/ (Core.lua RuleSet.lua): FuBar_RogueTimerFu: - Opps unnecessary variable assignment
23:57.43Mikmawe had thrae's bot here which did the entering of .toc data to wikipage when we used !toc addon
23:57.45KarlThePaganI incubated it there for a while
23:57.51Tekkubonly one commit in trunk though?
23:57.54lhunathIs it a known thing that the prat fubar plugin messes fubar up quite a bit?
23:58.21Mikmafound it!
23:58.22KarlThePagan2 commits... a remote copy and then I modified externals when I realized my AceOO was wrong
23:58.25Mikmahttp://www.wowace.com/wiki/TOC_Data/Bartender3
23:58.30Mikmathere's toc-date for Bartender3
23:58.34pastamancerNimbal_: I'd have to look at the order the events are fired in
23:58.35KarlThePaganthx
23:58.41Mikmajust like that
23:58.47kagarokergoth: difference is 0.8 megs
23:58.48Tekkubtouch trunk's toc again, it doesn't catch when the file is created, only when it changes
23:58.56Mikmabut use TOC_Data/YourAddon of course
23:59.02KarlThePaganok Tekkub  thx
23:59.10kagarothough i did find an interesting cart notes bug
23:59.22MikmaTekkub: so there is actually an script doing automatic tocdata update?
23:59.31Tekkubpost-commit
23:59.37kergothkagaro: i was afraid of that.  have you given any thought to alternative ways of storing the extra information?  you could keep a seperate table, indexed by note id, in your addon's sv, no?
23:59.38Mikmathat's cool :)

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