irclog2html for #wowace on 20061221

`00:01.23`	`kergoth`	`i'm a damn good farmer, but i lack the patience for it`
`00:01.48`	`kergoth`	`have terrible luck in runs, but all sorts of shit drops when i farm.. then i get bored again`
`00:01.51`	`kergoth`	`heh`
`00:03.20`	vid`	`hmm`
`00:03.20`	`Trancer`	`hehe`
`00:03.50`	vid`	`i keep getting disco'd in combat`
`00:03.50`	vid`	`all the time`
`00:03.50`	`Trancer`	`I used to farm late at night when not tired and not in the mood to read a book`
`00:03.50`	vid`	`think one of my addons is apmming chat or somethign`
`00:03.56`	vid`	`happens when i get bombed with spells by like 10 people`
`00:04.12`	`Trancer`	`so disable one by one and figure out which one it is`
`00:04.24`	vid`	`too many :P`
`00:04.25`	vid`	`got 130`
`00:04.25`	vid`	`hehe`
`00:04.34`	vid`	`doesnt happen much`
`00:04.36`	`kergoth`	`Trancer: i like fishing /while/ reading a book. fishping ftw`
`00:04.37`	vid`	`just in bg's`
`00:04.40`	`Trancer`	`then you need to sort out anyway ;)`
`00:04.51`	`cheers`	`kergoth: i have knitting next to the comp ;)`
`00:04.54`	`Trancer`	`kergoth: yeah, but need a new version of fishingbuddy or alike, rightclick cast`
`00:05.12`	`Trancer`	`it works really well with a trackball btw :)`
`00:05.30`	`Trancer`	`my friends call me a moron for gaming with a trackball tho :(`
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`00:06.08`	`Daemona`	`pff trackball is ok`
`00:06.15`	`Daemona`	`try an "n52" ;)`
`00:06.37`	`Trancer`	`the speedpad?`
`00:06.41`	`Daemona`	`trackball + n52 + comfy chair ->teh ownage`
`00:06.45`	`Trancer`	`hehe`
`00:06.48`	`Trancer`	`yeah, can imagine`
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`00:07.53`	`Trancer`	`time to nap, 1:00 CET and early rise, nn`
`00:08.34`	`CIA-17`	`03weab * r21622 10Automaton/ (Automaton.toc modules/Whine.lua): Automaton: New module: Whine. Annoy your friends and guildies by spamming emotes when you're low on hp or mana!`
`00:08.36`	`cheers`	`night Trancer`
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`00:08.51`	`cheers`	`weab: you're a bad bad man`
`00:08.57`	`Trancer`	`such a great feature weab ;)`
`00:09.04`	`weab`	`bah.`
`00:09.16`	`weab`	`I'm not very fond of them. I make fun of people that use it`
`00:09.23`	`weab`	`but it was requested, and I was bored`
`00:09.38`	`cheers`	`so infuriating`
`00:09.45`	`Trancer`	`hmm..`
`00:09.56`	`Trancer`	`I should write an addon to autoreply on "heal me" if in BG's`
`00:10.03`	`Trancer`	`"I am not telling you to DPS either, now am I?"`
`00:10.24`	`Trancer`	`smelly warriors, always the same :o go eat a cookie you ninja'd from a mage, bah :p`
`00:10.35`	`weab`	`it's very occasionally useful`
`00:10.46`	`cheers`	`lol`
`00:10.52`	`weab`	`if i'm in lala land while on my priest melting faces in av and i see the healme emote`
`00:11.11`	`weab`	`it'll sometimes convince me to toss them a renew and giggle as they die.`
`00:11.18`	`cheers`	`lol`
`00:11.21`	`Trancer`	`Hehe, I just tell them I am not heal specced`
`00:11.27`	`Trancer`	`and that I run around with benediction for the looks of it`
`00:11.40`	`Hjalte`	`weab: I saw an addon that had a set of defined rules like whispers from lvl1's that included the word gold, a $-sign and a website would be auto-ignored. You think this could one day become part of Automaton?`
`00:11.54`	`Trancer`	`weab: ;)`
`00:11.59`	`Trancer`	`seen that snowball drowning movie?`
`00:12.08`	`weab`	`drowning? no lol`
`00:12.13`	`cheers`	`Trancer: there's movies? my guildies do that ocassionally`
`00:12.20`	`Trancer`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Y9L52Fofjc`
`00:12.24`	`Amadeo`	`is WitchHunt the only spell alert type addon around anymore?`
`00:12.29`	`cheers`	`summon people to just near fatigue waters then snow ball em till they drown`
`00:12.30`	`Trancer`	`welllll, this one is a fun use of snowballs ;)`
`00:12.32`	`weab`	`i saw the one where they kicked the afk priest out of av`
`00:12.37`	`Trancer`	`right cheers, it's frapsed :p`
`00:12.43`	`Trancer`	`see URL`
`00:12.48`	`Trancer`	`weab: there is also some "mage pvp" movie`
`00:12.48`	`cheers`	`already en-route ;)`
`00:13.04`	`Trancer`	`where a guy is spamming "PLEASE HELP ME SUMMON BY CLICKING THE PORTAL"`
`00:13.14`	`cheers`	`but you-tube is sucking`
`00:13.14`	`Trancer`	`he makes portals to IF ^^`
`00:13.14`	`Trancer`	`people actually.. click it`
`00:13.17`	`cheers`	`there it goes`
`00:14.12`	`Trancer`	`mage portal vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n52v0bVpWis`
`00:14.29`	`kergoth`	`Trancer: hehe, i hate it when guildies do that... someone ports someone out, and next thing you ear "uhh, guys, i'm in orgrimmar..."`
`00:14.36`	`kergoth`	`(from others)`
`00:14.47`	`weab`	`Hjalte: that's a possibility. sounds like the real work there is just figuring out all the right rules to include`
`00:15.00`	`Amadeo`	`kergoth: I tried AutoRack again, and I've come to realize that I really like Toadkiller's AutoBar after using that :P`
`00:15.03`	`kergoth`	`hehe`
`00:15.12`	`kergoth`	`autorack is nice, but not nearly as automatic`
`00:15.26`	`Amadeo`	`it confuses the hell out of me with the bags and stuff, and I couldn't get my items to display`
`00:15.30`	`Trancer`	`kergoth: we had it aswell yeah, in MC`
`00:15.38`	`weab`	`what happened to autobar anyway`
`00:15.39`	`Trancer`	`I loved the "after /gkick" drama`
`00:15.46`	`kergoth`	`hehe`
`00:15.52`	`weab`	`it worked fine for a few days after the patch`
`00:15.59`	`kergoth`	`weab: theres betas for 2.0 of toadkillers, works fine`
`00:16.07`	`kergoth`	`great, even, has poison application and stuff again`
`00:16.10`	`Trancer`	`my autobar is working fine aswell`
`00:16.17`	`kergoth`	`the svn autobar is behind though i think`
`00:16.22`	`kergoth`	`use the curse release`
`00:16.36`	`KarlThePagan`	`aw`
`00:16.42`	`Amadeo`	`kergoth: Really? wow`
`00:16.48`	`weab`	`the svn version worked fine at first`
`00:16.56`	`weab`	`with 2.0`
`00:17.10`	`weab`	`then an update or two later it stopped working`
`00:17.19`	`Trancer`	`cedega </3 oh well, nn`
`00:17.33`	`rw3`	`The SVN autobar works for me, updated today or so`
`00:17.42`	`weab`	`hm, will have to try again`
`00:18.10`	`kergoth`	`its clear toadkiller isnt actively developing in svn properly, checking in as he goes, tagging releases and such, it almost seems like he codes in a seperate dir, then periodically imports the code in`
`00:18.20`	`kergoth`	`its common for people new to scm to do that, but its bad policy`
`00:18.38`	`Amadeo`	`I'm glad you told me the SVN version isn't the latest!`
`00:19.21`	`KarlThePagan`	`autobar from svn is working for me atm...`
`00:19.28`	`KarlThePagan`	`but AutoBarConfig needs to go away`
`00:19.36`	`Trancer`	`kergoth: 'develop on till next stable or sort off working thing and then "Do you want to commit 12381 files? [Y/n]"' attitude you mean? ;)`
`00:19.37`	`Amadeo`	`I have had some Config problems`
`00:19.42`	`Amadeo`	`on SVN AutoBar`
`00:19.57`	`KarlThePagan`	`hmm well my advice - delete your autobar configs and don't use the separate config mod`
`00:19.58`	`kergoth`	`maybe he updated it again, but his development methodology isnt one that lends to using the svn continually`
`00:20.08`	`kergoth`	`Trancer: indeed, i hate that :\|`
`00:20.13`	`cheers`	`lol`
`00:20.20`	`Trancer`	`kergoth: it's great with perl developers`
`00:20.25`	`KarlThePagan`	`lol`
`00:20.32`	`Trancer`	`"hey, I committed 5 files to the SVN, and... now it's broken!"`
`00:20.51`	`Trancer`	`"it worked on my pc! really!"`
`00:20.52`	`weab`	`I must have missed updating a library or something cooky, because it still fails in a massive fireball for me`
`00:20.55`	`Trancer`	`and then figure out what he changed ><`
`00:20.58`	`kergoth`	`i especially love it when they _copy their versions_ onto the trunk and check it in`
`00:21.04`	`kergoth`	`not checking to see if they're reverting other devs changes`
`00:21.07`	`kergoth`	`that just tickles me`
`00:21.09`	`Trancer`	`hehehe yeah`
`00:21.26`	`Trancer`	`or... hardcoded config stuff still left in`
`00:21.40`	`Trancer`	`so you check it out, all your config crap overridden and you spend 4h bughunting`
`00:21.54`	`kergoth`	`hehe`
`00:22.09`	`Trancer`	`tomorrow more of such joy \o/ naptime`
`00:22.15`	`kergoth`	`having been the configuration manager on projects, i'm a real ass about that kind of thing`
`00:22.17`	`cheers`	`night Trancer`
`00:22.26`	`Amadeo`	`kergoth: I think SVN is the same version at the moment...at least if the TOC file isn't lying :)`
`00:22.36`	`kergoth`	`thats good news`
`00:22.49`	`weab`	`i've also been having an odd issue with deucecommander. it also randomly stopped working after an update last week sometime for me`
`00:23.10`	`weab`	`tells me GetLocalizedCategory is nil or some such thing`
`00:23.28`	`Amadeo`	`I don't think WitchHunt is working right for me`
`00:23.39`	`Amadeo`	`I notice it doesn't work at all in duels`
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`00:25.49`	`beerke`	`abny ace2 bg capture timer ?`
`00:26.03`	`[Cu]Werik`	`Found a bug in ag unitframes`
`00:26.12`	`rw3`	`If I requested SVN access today when can I expect it to get processed? In a few days?`
`00:27.06`	`Amadeo`	`wow, SASCT has like 90 lines of description in the .lua itself`
`00:27.46`	`kergoth`	`beerke: Capping`
`00:28.03`	`KarlThePagan`	`Capping rules`
`00:28.08`	`KarlThePagan`	`it's AB support is very nice`
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`00:28.40`	`KarlThePagan`	`I would like it if it showed the number of nodes needed to win, but the game countdown timer is good enough for me`
`00:29.00`	`kergoth`	`yeah, that rocks`
`00:29.13`	`CIA-17`	`03sayclub * r21623 10Automaton/modules/Whine.lua: Automaton: Update locals koKR`
`00:29.37`	`CIA-17`	`03rophy 07CombatLogScribe * r21624 10ParserLib/ (core.lua wiki.lua):`
`00:29.37`	`CIA-17`	`CombatLogScribe:`
`00:29.37`	`CIA-17`	`- Finds out ambiguous patterns by a script.`
`00:29.37`	`CIA-17`	`- Make things get called in the correct sequence: LoadPatterns() -> FindAmbiguousPatterns() -> ConvertAmbiguousPatterns() -> ConvertPatterns().`
`00:29.37`	`CIA-17`	`- Added more ignore patterns.`
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`00:30.11`	`Arrowmaster`	`capping doesnt use glorylib does it?`
`00:31.08`	`Fisker-`	`sec`
`00:31.46`	`Fisker-`	`nope`
`00:32.06`	`KarlThePagan`	`are there flag timer funcs in Glory?`
`00:32.13`	`weab`	`ah, i hadn't switched from PeriodicTable to PeriodicTable-2.0 was my problem`
`00:32.24`	`Arrowmaster`	`yes there are`
`00:35.33`	`Amadeo`	`after using bag replacement addons for so long, I think I'm just going to stop using them and stick with MrPlow`
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`00:40.14`	`CIA-17`	`03weab * r21625 10Automaton/modules/Whine.lua: Automaton: Add a missing type field to Whine's toggle option`
`00:42.59`	`Amadeo`	`woot, a new beta of Sage :)`
`00:43.00`	`beerke`	`kergoth, thanks will chekc it out`
`00:44.46`	`ckknight`	`can someone please add "The Veiled Sea" to Babble-Zone-2.2?`
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`01:11.05`	`BankZ`	`sup guys`
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`01:12.04`	`Nomad_Wanderer`	`Howdy.`
`01:12.12`	`Nomad_Wanderer`	`Does anyone know what is up with the AQ40 Bigwig timers?`
`01:12.29`	`Nomad_Wanderer`	`Is it simply a toc update? or are they not compatible with 2.0?`
`01:15.33`	`kebinusan`	`Nomad_Wanderer: what do you mean?`
`01:16.04`	`Nomad_Wanderer`	`The aq40 timers show as incompatible, yet I know I'm pulling the latest from WAU`
`01:16.39`	`BankZ`	`Are the BigWig timers better than the CT_Bossmod?`
`01:16.54`	`Nomad_Wanderer`	`!!!`
`01:16.58`	`Nomad_Wanderer`	`Yes imo`
`01:17.39`	`BankZ`	`so, just download bigwig and delete bossmod?`
`01:18.21`	`Antari2`	`Yes, you could also download oRA2 and delete CTRA too :)`
`01:18.30`	`kebinusan`	`Nomad_Wanderer: I dunno for sure but there is a mod simply called BigWigs_Timers, that probably does more than just aq40`
`01:18.36`	`Nomad_Wanderer`	`Inconcievable! What channel is this anyway!`
`01:18.41`	`kebinusan`	`take alook at that instaead`
`01:19.02`	`BankZ`	`I got that and sRaidFrame`
`01:19.10`	`BankZ`	`just thinking abou things`
`01:20.03`	`BankZ`	`and gonna try fubar`
`01:20.20`	`BankZ`	`see if thats better than titan`
`01:20.59`	`BankZ`	`do I need "addons" for bigwig?`
`01:21.36`	Funkeh`	`ok warmup is cusing a taint aparently xD`
`01:21.42`	Funkeh`	`causing*`
`01:25.50`	Funkeh`	`http://ace.pastey.net/3837`
`01:26.04`	`haste`	there's reason it's ment for devs Funkeh`
`01:26.51`	Funkeh`	`i highly doubt the reason warmup is only for devs is because it causes a known taint, im simply pointing it out`
`01:26.53`	`Aeliel`	`[offtopic] http://www.talents.unleashedgaming.net/?p=vt&i=3434 [/offtopic]`
`01:27.02`	Funkeh`	`please don't act like an ass`
`01:27.31`	`haste`	`shrugs`
`01:27.33`	`haste`	`bye`
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`01:35.16`	`Fisker-`	`drugs are nice`
`01:36.25`	`kenlyric\|home`	`which mod provides drugs?`
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`01:39.47`	`Feldia`	`as far as boss mods,a ll you need is bigwigs`
`01:39.47`	`CIA-17`	`03ominous * r21626 10FuBar_RogueTimerFu/ (Core.lua StunTimerFu.lua): FuBar_RogueTimerFu: - Add Fill bar option`
`01:39.53`	`Feldia`	`you don't need any of the extra plugin crap`
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`01:44.39`	`Nickenyfiken`	`Aeliel: can anything be off topic in here? :-)`
`01:44.57`	`Aeliel`	`Nickenyfiken: I don't know, but it wasn't about the current conversation :p`
`01:45.47`	`Nickenyfiken`	`well that page is cool`
`01:46.18`	`Aeliel`	`which is why I linked it :D`
`01:47.02`	`hugo`	`anyone know if theres ingame addon that list all your addons, even these that are load on demand ? not just ace2 addons`
`01:47.12`	`ckknight`	`hugo, /ace2 list`
`01:47.18`	`ckknight`	`well, /ace2 list all`
`01:47.30`	`Ominous`	`FuBar_ModMenuTuFu`
`01:47.33`	`hugo`	`you mean the ace2 developers kit ?`
`01:47.47`	`ckknight`	`no`
`01:47.53`	`Ominous`	`hugo if u have any ace2 addon u can use that`
`01:47.53`	`ckknight`	`it exists if you use an ace mod`
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`01:47.57`	`hugo`	`ohh`
`01:48.05`	`hugo`	`cool let me try :D`
`01:48.15`	`hugo`	`thanks`
`01:48.29`	`Cairenn`	`http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info5624-CS_AddOnOrganizer.html`
`01:48.40`	`Ominous`	`what is the decault size font for CandyBar?`
`01:50.02`	`kenlyric\|home`	`jonothan coulton aemotes... I'm in heaven.`
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`01:59.12`	`Amadeo`	`My Shaman is finally almost 40`
`01:59.23`	`hugo`	`grts :p`
`01:59.44`	`Amadeo`	`hehe`
`01:59.45`	`Amadeo`	`thanks!`
`01:59.51`	`hugo`	`my 6th alt is lvl 40 too`
`01:59.51`	`hugo`	`;p`
`01:59.59`	`hugo`	`btw anyone got list of all ace2 unitframes ?`
`02:00.09`	`hugo`	`easy to miss some browsing the big list :O`
`02:00.15`	`hugo`	`want to test witch are best for me`
`02:00.31`	`hugo`	`i know only aguf from ace2`
`02:00.49`	`Amadeo`	`My Shaman isn't my only character`
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`02:03.45`	`mjc`	`kergoth: ping`
`02:04.54`	`hugo`	`pong`
`02:05.09`	`Fisker-`	`damn the last couple of avs has been crap`
`02:05.15`	`Fisker-`	`atleast repwise`
`02:08.23`	`Pkekyo`	`http://talents.unleashedgaming.net/?p=vt&i=3673 have a laugh, enjoy..laughed myself half to death`
`02:09.23`	`Ominous`	`what is a sensible range for a CandyBar font to be set to?`
`02:09.44`	`Ominous`	`font size*`
`02:10.06`	`hugo`	`whats there Pkekyo ? ;o`
`02:10.31`	`hugo`	`ah a joke`
`02:10.31`	`hugo`	`;p`
`02:10.38`	`Nickenyfiken`	`yay 32k errors in bugsack`
`02:10.43`	`Nickenyfiken`	`and counting`
`02:10.46`	`Amadeo`	`wow, I'm watching a PvP video that has a HUD that shows Energy regeneration ticks`
`02:10.50`	`Amadeo`	`anyone know what HUD that is?`
`02:11.57`	`CIA-17`	`03arjuna * r21627 10simpleMinimap/modules/ (coords.lua movers.lua):`
`02:11.57`	`CIA-17`	`simpleMinimap:`
`02:11.57`	`CIA-17`	`- nil issue with pings.lua`
`02:14.37`	`Daemona`	`Nickenyfiken yeah, something is very wrong with some event hook, noticed that on Closed Beta yesterday`
`02:15.26`	`CIA-17`	`03ominous * r21628 10FuBar_RogueTimerFu/ (Core.lua StunTimerFu.lua): FuBar_RogueTimerFu: - Added font size option`
`02:16.20`	`hugo`	`~mendeleev`
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`02:18.27`	`CIA-17`	`03ominous * r21629 10FuBar_RogueStunTimerFu/:`
`02:18.28`	`CIA-17`	`FuBar_RogueStunTimerFu:`
`02:18.28`	`CIA-17`	`- Deleted due to rename`
`02:19.15`	`hugo`	`whats diff beetween Lute and Fruityloots ?`
`02:20.29`	`Amadeo`	`Lute is Kaelten's and Fruityloots is neronix's!`
`02:20.42`	`hugo`	`:-O`
`02:20.48`	`hugo`	`but they do both the same right ? :P`
`02:20.48`	vid`	`Amadeo: icehud does that`
`02:21.24`	`Amadeo`	`yeah?`
`02:21.24`	`Amadeo`	`cool`
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`02:22.13`	`hugo`	`JumpCounter - display how many times you have jumped`
`02:22.20`	`CC`	`has anyone seen this > http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=5766 ZOMGBOX?`
`02:22.22`	`hugo`	`uhh some scripters really bored lol`
`02:22.22`	`CC`	`it looks awsme`
`02:22.29`	`hugo`	`;p`
`02:23.58`	`Aeliel`	`what's the draw of HUDs? I never could understand o_O`
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`02:24.07`	`hugo`	`hm`
`02:24.12`	`xgravix`	`why do i want zomgbox`
`02:24.13`	`hugo`	`its just empty box aint it ?`
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`02:24.50`	`Nickenyfiken`	`Daemona: i get it with Sanity2, haven't got that problem earlier`
`02:27.32`	`CC`	`yes an empty box`
`02:27.41`	`CC`	`but it allows you to keep a clean interface`
`02:27.45`	`CC`	`which i thought is rather neat`
`02:27.48`	`DrZoot`	`Im writing a new hud atm, one more for the pile`
`02:28.11`	`CC`	`why??`
`02:28.15`	`CC`	`i think we have enough?`
`02:28.25`	`xgravix`	`i think we have enough zomgbox`
`02:30.31`	`DrZoot`	`Probably, but the only HUD I really like is Drathals and since the guy chucked a hissy fit and stopped updating it, I figured I might aswell write something similar.`
`02:31.55`	`hugo`	`barbrawl is tbc only right ?`
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`02:33.34`	`CC`	`@drzoot`
`02:33.38`	`CC`	`there is a different one`
`02:33.40`	`CC`	`that looks like dhud`
`02:33.44`	`CC`	`actually it is dhud`
`02:33.51`	`CC`	`but continued`
`02:34.11`	`CC`	`its called MetaHud contiuned by the man who brought you MetaMap`
`02:34.12`	`DrZoot`	`the tbc version?`
`02:34.21`	`CC`	`i think so`
`02:34.55`	`CC`	`metamap works for tbc this should aswell`
`02:34.55`	`CC`	`http://ui.worldofwar.net/ui.php?id=3356`
`02:34.55`	`CC`	`yes TBC aswell`
`02:34.55`	`DrZoot`	`well, Im about 1/3rd of the way through writing mine so I wont be stopping now :D`
`02:34.57`	`Arrowmaster`	`eww metamap`
`02:35.11`	`CC`	`why i love metamap`
`02:35.16`	`ckknight`	`CC, use Cartographer`
`02:35.23`	`Arrowmaster`	`its so bloated`
`02:35.26`	`Arrowmaster`	`and fugly`
`02:35.35`	`CrisCrOss`	`how?`
`02:35.36`	`kebinusan`	`Eavesdrop needs a combine thing like MSBT`
`02:35.51`	`CrisCrOss`	`Built in WoWKB/Notes/the arrow thing`
`02:36.05`	`CrisCrOss`	`instance map/boss loot`
`02:36.21`	`CrisCrOss`	`with %drop and support for flightmap`
`02:36.30`	`Arrowmaster`	`yes and not stored effecently which = bloated`
`02:36.41`	`CrisCrOss`	`well does cartographer offer all that?`
`02:36.48`	`Arrowmaster`	`yeah`
`02:36.51`	`DrZoot`	`plus, mine is an Ace2 mod so its going to be betterer :P`
`02:36.55`	`CrisCrOss`	`well maybe instead of bashing it, provide feedback tot he mod`
`02:36.55`	`ckknight`	`not flightmap, I don't think`
`02:37.02`	`ckknight`	`wait, what do you mean by flightmap?`
`02:37.09`	`CrisCrOss`	`the addon`
`02:37.12`	`ckknight`	`crisCross, fix your screennames.`
`02:37.15`	`Arrowmaster`	`inflight works with cart`
`02:37.19`	`CrisCrOss`	`http://ui.worldofwar.net/ui.php?id=590`
`02:37.25`	`CrisCrOss`	`@ckk im tryin says nick inuse`
`02:37.41`	`ckknight`	`<PROTECTED>`
`02:38.09`	`ckknight`	`why provide feedback when there's an alternative to it anyway?`
`02:38.25`	`CrisCrOss`	`to help the guy out?`
`02:38.38`	`CrisCrOss`	`i guess ill give carto a go..`
`02:38.50`	`Arrowmaster`	`when something gets that bloated theres no saving it`
`02:38.53`	`CrisCrOss`	`does it have built in knowledge base`
`02:39.02`	`CrisCrOss`	`like WoWKb?`
`02:39.07`	`ckknight`	`no`
`02:39.13`	`Arrowmaster`	`wtf does wowkb do?`
`02:39.29`	`Aeliel`	`Arrowmaster: I think that's the one that adds fiftybillion NPCs to your maps as notes`
`02:39.33`	`CrisCrOss`	`for me its like a built in thotbott`
`02:39.44`	`CrisCrOss`	`@aeliel no only if you ask it to`
`02:39.57`	`Arrowmaster`	`Aeliel: aka one of the main reasons i hated metamap and diabled every single part i could?`
`02:39.57`	`DrZoot`	`I bet its nice and lite on memory usage to`
`02:40.10`	`Aeliel`	`CrisCrOss: why would you want it if you don't ask it to, though? ;P`
`02:40.26`	`CrisCrOss`	`well cuz when i quest n it asks me to kill XXXXXXXXXXXXX`
`02:40.30`	`CrisCrOss`	`i search XXXXXXXXXXXX n i get a mapnote`
`02:40.39`	`CrisCrOss`	`then i kill em finish quest and delete the note`
`02:41.27`	`Aeliel`	`ah.`
`02:41.59`	`CrisCrOss`	`the screenshots look nice`
`02:43.24`	`CrisCrOss`	`hmm CKK is it compatible with http://ui.worldofwar.net/ui.php?id=1525`
`02:43.29`	`ckknight`	`tell me the name`
`02:43.33`	`ckknight`	`I'm not going to a link`
`02:43.36`	`CrisCrOss`	`WOWKB`
`02:43.54`	`CrisCrOss`	`it basically is the knowledge base addon whihc the dev of metamap ripped n put into his addon`
`02:44.01`	`ckknight`	`it might be`
`02:44.01`	`CrisCrOss`	`n now the original dev of WOWKB has resurrected it`
`02:44.04`	`ckknight`	`frankly, I don't know`
`02:44.09`	`CrisCrOss`	`it uses the same map no?`
`02:44.17`	`ckknight`	`yes`
`02:44.24`	`ckknight`	`if it handles its own notes, then yes.`
`02:44.26`	`CrisCrOss`	`ill give it a shot`
`02:44.36`	`CrisCrOss`	`it relies on mapnotes`
`02:44.39`	`CrisCrOss`	`the addon...`
`02:45.33`	`ckknight`	`so you'll have to get that, then`
`02:45.38`	`Xuerian`	`CrisCr0ss: Since you obviously can't see it, I'm going to 'audibly' alert you. There's a red light above ck's head. It's flashing. Flash.... Flash..... Flash.... Flash.`
`02:45.55`	`CrisCrOss`	`lol im just curious`
`02:45.59`	`CrisCrOss`	`i like trying new things`
`02:46.03`	`CrisCrOss`	`and giving feedback`
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`02:46.09`	`ckknight`	`CrisCrOss, I got my wisdom teeth out today, I'm not in the best of moods`
`02:46.15`	`Xuerian`	`Flash.... Flash..... flash... flash.`
`02:46.39`	`Daemona`	`beep beep beep`
`02:46.39`	`CrisCrOss`	`although im sure its great as i <3 fubar`
`02:47.04`	`DrZoot`	`ckknight: ouch, did they use general or local?`
`02:47.12`	`ckknight`	`local`
`02:47.24`	`CrisCrOss`	`zoot i also look forward to ur hut`
`02:47.25`	`PProvost`	`Hello everyone`
`02:47.25`	`CrisCrOss`	`hud*`
`02:47.26`	`ckknight`	`with NO2`
`02:47.56`	`DrZoot`	`well thats a positive, when I had mine out they used general and coming out of that was like the worst hangover in the world`
`02:47.58`	`Aeliel`	`I must be the only weirdo who steadfastly refuses to get wisdom teeth out >_>`
`02:48.21`	`ckknight`	`how old're you?`
`02:48.34`	`Aeliel`	`me?`
`02:48.35`	`CrisCrOss`	`actually i think i would be the only weirdo who doesn't have wisdom teeth at all`
`02:48.46`	`CrisCrOss`	`bet you never heard of that`
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`02:55.52`	`DrZoot`	`plus cancer and aids dont really kill the weakest, just the stupidest`
`02:55.56`	`CrisCrOss`	`but my stats teacher said it`
`02:56.06`	`CrisCrOss`	`DrZoot thats stupid thing to say`
`02:56.16`	`ckknight`	`DrZoot, it kills the people who are poorest ;-)`
`02:56.29`	`CrisCrOss`	`people who develop cancer aren't neccesarily stupid nor poor`
`02:56.29`	`DrZoot`	`sorry I meant aids not cancer, my bad`
`02:56.31`	vid`	`hmm`
`02:56.34`	vid`	`weird`
`02:56.37`	`CrisCrOss`	`yes aids i guess`
`02:56.39`	vid`	`wonder what i updated thats making me chug now`
`02:56.41`	vid`	`in pvp`
`02:56.42`	`Xuerian`	`In some cases cancer...`
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`02:56.51`	`Aeliel`	`aids can also get you if you're unlucky`
`02:56.53`	`ckknight`	`<cough>lung cancer</cough>`
`02:57.02`	`DrZoot`	`lol`
`02:57.04`	vid`	`mm`
`02:57.05`	vid`	`i miss smoking`
`02:57.09`	vid`	`i want a cig so bad`
`02:57.09`	`Xuerian`	`ckknight: I don't even count that as cancer anymore`
`02:57.13`	`CrisCrOss`	`@ckk not true lung cancer risk increases because of smoking`
`02:57.14`	vid`	`every day`
`02:57.17`	`Xuerian`	`ckknight: I litterally think of that as "Stupid tax"`
`02:57.21`	`DrZoot`	`I had a friend who smoked, he called it "Suicide on an installment plan"`
`02:57.23`	`ckknight`	`Xuerian, lol, true`
`02:57.23`	`CrisCrOss`	`doesn't mean it doesn't occur w/o smoking`
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`02:57.47`	`Aeliel`	`3 out of 4 of my grandparents died of lung cancer because they smoked... people ask me why I don't smoke =_=`
`02:57.50`	vid`	`something else will kill me first`
`02:57.53`	vid`	`:`
`02:57.54`	vid`	`:\`
`02:58.03`	vid`	`but i did quit smoking`
`02:58.14`	vid`	`ill probably hit a wall @ 150 when im racing one of these days`
`02:58.18`	vid`	`blow a rear tire`
`02:58.22`	`ckknight`	`Aeliel, 2/4 for me`
`02:58.24`	vid`	`blow a coolant hose and dump coolant over front tires`
`02:58.28`	vid`	`and flip car down the track`
`02:58.31`	`CrisCrOss`	`i dont smoke tho i do have an occasional smoke`
`02:58.34`	vid`	`shrug`
`02:58.42`	`DrZoot`	`I dont know about where you guys are but in Australia theyve basically made it illegal to smoke near other people`
`02:58.51`	vid`	`thats pretty much how it is in USA now`
`02:58.51`	vid`	`haha`
`02:58.58`	`CrisCrOss`	`n Canada for that matter`
`02:58.58`	`Xuerian`	vid`: Hah, I wish
`02:59.02`	`Aeliel`	`in Italy, too - can't smoke in public places`
`02:59.04`	vid`	`cant smoke inside anywhere now`
`02:59.06`	vid`	`in NJ/NY`
`02:59.07`	`Aeliel`	`[not that I'm in Italy anymore]`
`02:59.15`	vid`	`bars/clubs etc`
`02:59.16`	`Xuerian`	`It's slowly getting that way`
`02:59.18`	`DrZoot`	`Cant even smoke in pubc/clubs anymore`
`02:59.19`	vid`	`except atlantic city of course`
`02:59.22`	`Xuerian`	`And about damn time too`
`02:59.25`	`ckknight`	`DrZoot, in Hawaii, you're no longer allowed to smoke in businesses or within 20 ft of a business`
`02:59.52`	`ckknight`	`that's like last month enacted`
`02:59.54`	`DrZoot`	`ckknight: sort of the same here, not allowed to smoke indoors or within 4 meters of the entrance to a building`
`03:00.02`	`Aeliel`	`it's about damn time if you ask me... was pretty much starting to get sick and tired of idiots blowing smoke in my face`
`03:00.25`	`Aeliel`	`kill yourself if you want to but leave bystanders alone :p`
`03:01.03`	`kenlyric\|home`	`this is why we need to make cocaine legal. no secondhand smoke.`
`03:01.16`	`Aeliel`	`lol`
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`03:01.43`	`CrisCrOss`	`would that be true for meth/ecstacy/shrooms?`
`03:01.45`	`ckknight`	`I'm anti-prohibition`
`03:01.55`	`CrisCrOss`	`drugs should be legalized and sold`
`03:02.01`	vid`	`hey CK, any luck on that fubar tooltip disable in combat? :)`
`03:02.06`	`CrisCrOss`	`n jus like smoking i believe it will die down`
`03:02.16`	`ckknight`	vid`, no, haven't tried
`03:02.21`	vid`	`:(`
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`03:04.36`	`Eej`	`I don't see why they should be legalized, seeing as they're dangerous for your health and generally pose no therapeutic benefits`
`03:04.46`	`ZOAS\|away`	`Grrr.`
`03:05.09`	`ZOAS\|Naxx`	`Thaddius be damned, 2 weeks in a row no cloth`
`03:05.23`	`ckknight`	`but why should they be criminalized?`
`03:05.39`	`Daemona`	`damn :/ got unstable affliction + like 5 more magic debuffs, i hit dispel and boom 2145 crit :/`
`03:06.14`	`Aeliel`	`smoking arguably has no therapeutic benefit and is dangerous for your health too, and it's legal`
`03:06.54`	`ilifin`	`oy, any working totem menu-ish mods out there? I'm trying Yata but it's using AceEvent wrongly it seems`
`03:07.39`	`Xuerian`	`I would be less for prohibition if the whole industry wasn't so based around inducing additiction.`
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`03:08.30`	`Daemona`	`ilifin for watching how long time left on a totem or for what?`
`03:09.55`	`ilifin`	`for a sort of menu with totems to cast`
`03:10.00`	`ilifin`	`I'm using GotWood for timers already`
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`03:10.30`	`Daemona`	`any bar addon would do then wouldnt it? cause anything "dynamic" is blocked in combat anyway`
`03:11.11`	`ilifin`	`Cryolsysi seems to manage "dynamic" popups just fine`
`03:11.16`	`ilifin`	`cryolysis*`
`03:11.24`	`ilifin`	`don't ask me how but it does`
`03:11.56`	`CIA-17`	`03kemayo * r21630 10SilverDragon/Core.lua: SilverDragon: Generate cartographer db oninitialize instead of storing it.`
`03:13.21`	`DrZoot`	`necrosis doesnt, its broken in combat`
`03:14.02`	`Eej`	`Aeliel: smoking has no therapeutic benefit, but tobbaco companies have a lot of money, plus it kills you slower so people don't realize how bad it is`
`03:14.30`	`ilifin`	`weird DrZoot, I can bring out the conjure mana gem menu aswell as the various spells menu in cryolysis in middle of combat`
`03:14.50`	`Eej`	`whereas meth will reduce your brain to swiss cheese in a significantly shorter amount of time`
`03:14.54`	`ilifin`	`I figured this out after I got cursed and had forgotten to put remove curse on my actionbars`
`03:15.09`	`DrZoot`	`ilifin: I know this is a dumb question but can you click on them in combat?`
`03:15.29`	`ilifin`	`yea`
`03:15.33`	`ckknight`	`would this be a cool feature: Hover over a note on the world map and tell how many yards away it is`
`03:15.35`	`ilifin`	`as I removed the curse from myself with it :p`
`03:16.12`	`Aeliel`	`ckknight: would be nifty, but how would you calculate it?`
`03:16.13`	`DrZoot`	`ilifin: that is odd, all the necrosis popups freeze in the open position once you enter combat, regardless if they were closed when you entered`
`03:16.28`	`CrisCrOss`	`@ckknight u can check metamap BetterWaypoints addon`
`03:16.33`	`ckknight`	`Aeliel, I already know the yardage, it's a reasonably simple computation`
`03:16.52`	`Aeliel`	`ckknight: in which case do tell how you get at it, I'm curious :)`
`03:16.55`	`CrisCrOss`	`it creates an arrow that allows point you int he direction of a mapnote`
`03:17.03`	`CrisCrOss`	`and it shwos distance in meters/yards`
`03:17.15`	`ckknight`	`Aeliel, yards are stored in Tourist-2.0`
`03:17.29`	`CrisCrOss`	`ck u think you would incorporate such a plugin?`
`03:17.34`	`ckknight`	`then you calculate the two points (player and destination)`
`03:17.36`	`CrisCrOss`	`or help me develop one?`
`03:17.42`	`ckknight`	`CrisCrOss, I see no reason not to`
`03:17.52`	`ckknight`	`then you convert to yards from coordinates`
`03:18.05`	`CrisCrOss`	`i think itl b better than putting the distance in the mapnote`
`03:18.07`	`ckknight`	`then you do a simple ((y1-y2)^2 + (x1-x2)^2)^0.5`
`03:18.10`	`ckknight`	`tada, yardage.`
`03:18.11`	`CrisCrOss`	`but rather a draggable arrow`
`03:18.26`	`CrisCrOss`	`that points u in the direction of the mapnote`
`03:18.36`	`CIA-17`	`03kaybe * r21631 10Grid/GridLocale-deDE.lua: Grid: Update locals deDE`
`03:18.39`	`Aeliel`	`ckknight: ahh, I see`
`03:18.43`	`Xuerian`	`CrisCr0ss: Remember that red light.`
`03:18.46`	`CrisCrOss`	`:P`
`03:18.58`	`CrisCrOss`	`well i should study for my stats test`
`03:19.15`	`CrisCrOss`	`ill test this tomoro as i start my xmas break`
`03:19.22`	`ZOAS\|Naxx`	`What does /plugins/targetmonitor.lua do in BigWigs?`
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`03:24.05`	`ilifin`	`o_`
`03:26.28`	`Xuerian`	`rofl`
`03:26.39`	`snurre-`	`http://www.fz.se/wtf/link.fz?id=868`
`03:26.42`	`Xuerian`	`Bhaahaha, best quit message ever`
`03:27.45`	`ckknight`	`I've seen better`
`03:27.51`	`Ominous`	`is there an api command to find out teh state of Dimishing returns on a target?`
`03:28.14`	`ckknight`	`one good one was "Your momma's so fat that when we added 1 to her, she wrapped around and became 0"`
`03:28.16`	`ckknight`	`or something like that`
`03:28.27`	`ckknight`	`Ominous, likely something in Glory-2.0`
`03:28.37`	`ckknight`	`it keeps track`
`03:28.43`	`Ominous`	`ah ok thanks`
`03:28.57`	`Xuerian`	`Tehehe, well, still funny.`
`03:34.02`	`Ominous`	`no there isnt`
`03:34.22`	`Ominous`	`or at least ot according to the api docs`
`03:34.31`	`DrZoot`	`Ok, I have a bar, I want the bar to increase/decrease in size smoothly rather than just jumping around from vaue to value, any ideas how I might do this? Its the scheduling that Im not sure on, I know how to move the bar etc`
`03:35.23`	`CIA-17`	`03ckknight * r21632 10Babble-2.2/Babble-Zone-2.2/Babble-Zone-2.2.lua: .Babble-Zone-2.2 - added The Veiled Sea`
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`03:36.59`	`pastamancer`	`DrZoot: AceEvent:ScheduleRepeatingEvent()`
`03:37.12`	`CIA-17`	`03ckknight * r21633 10Cartographer/Modules/Notes.lua: Cartographer-Notes - changed error message slightly`
`03:37.16`	`DrZoot`	`pastamancer: cheers, just looking at that now :D`
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`03:38.05`	`Xuerian`	`DrZoot: Bar? Status bar?`
`03:38.24`	`DrZoot`	`Xuerian: Its a HUD bar`
`03:39.01`	`Xuerian`	`Ah`
`03:40.09`	`DrZoot`	`Im just trying to achieve that smooth moving effect, instead of the bars just jumping about`
`03:40.53`	`Xuerian`	`Yeah, register a repeating event with a closure`
`03:40.58`	`DrZoot`	`Can I use <1 second times in AceEvent:ScheduleRepeatingEvent()?`
`03:40.59`	`PProvost`	`Look at ArcHUD, that one does it. I suspect it is just a timer and a closure.`
`03:41.07`	`CIA-17`	`03ckknight * r21634 10Cartographer_Herbalism/addon.lua: Cartographer_Herbalism - increase unique radius to 8 yards`
`03:41.10`	`CIA-17`	`03ckknight * r21635 10Cartographer_Mining/addon.lua: Cartographer_Mining - increase unique radius to 8 yards`
`03:41.27`	`PProvost`	`Question: Can I completely replace CT_MapMod w/ Cartographer?`
`03:41.29`	`ckknight`	`yes, DrZoot`
`03:41.34`	`ckknight`	`yes, PProvost`
`03:41.44`	`PProvost`	`Can I import my CT_MapMod notes?`
`03:41.44`	`DrZoot`	`ckknight: cheers`
`03:41.48`	`ckknight`	`not yet.`
`03:41.56`	`ckknight`	`you could write an addon that does so`
`03:41.58`	`PProvost`	`Bummer. I can live without em I guess.`
`03:42.02`	`PProvost`	`Or not. :)`
`03:42.04`	`ckknight`	`or update Cartographer_Import`
`03:42.09`	`Xuerian`	`PProvost: ckknight made sure to completely and utterly scalp, skin, clean, and mount all other map mods in order to make cartographer better. He has the technology.`
`03:42.10`	`ckknight`	`Carto-Import supports Gatherer`
`03:42.16`	`PProvost`	`lol`
`03:42.30`	`PProvost`	`I bailed on Gatherer a long time ago. Too much.`
`03:42.47`	`ckknight`	`Xuerian, almost, I'm still working on a way to decrease the size from 3 MiB to < 1 MiB, and making the instance maps even clearer`
`03:42.49`	`PProvost`	`Just wanted map notes and flower nodes.`
`03:43.00`	`ckknight`	`PProvost, Carto provides that`
`03:43.02`	`PProvost`	`Does it replace Atlas then too?`
`03:43.02`	`ckknight`	`extremely efficiently`
`03:43.03`	`Xuerian`	`ckknight: Very nice =D`
`03:43.04`	`ckknight`	`yes, PProvost`
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`03:43.28`	`PProvost`	`Does AtlasLoot run w/o Atlas these days...?`
`03:43.28`	`ckknight`	`Xuerian, I need to hear back from the Atlas dev to steal his WMO parser`
`03:43.39`	`ckknight`	`PProvost, Carto includes its own loot table dealy.`
`03:43.45`	`nymbia`	`ew atlasloot`
`03:43.47`	`ckknight`	`so you know`
`03:43.49`	`PProvost`	`Okay okay... sold.`
`03:43.51`	`PProvost`	`:)`
`03:43.55`	`Xuerian`	`ckknight: lol.`
`03:44.11`	`ckknight`	`you'd be surprised that despite having so many features, it's still freaky lightweight`
`03:44.52`	`ckknight`	`but I shall make it more lightweight`
`03:44.54`	`ckknight`	`mwahaha!`
`03:45.33`	`haarm`	`ck, it doesn't seem that hard to parse, I had a better look at it earlier today`
`03:45.53`	`Xuerian`	`And Cartographer became so light, it ceased to exist in the material world, and was forever immortalized in addon history.`
`03:46.00`	`ckknight`	`haarm, if you can find some way to come up with an algorithm that tells me texture positions, I'd love you forever`
`03:46.05`	`Xuerian`	`s/material/psudo-material/`
`03:46.17`	`ckknight`	`Xuerian, how'd you steal my secret plans?`
`03:46.21`	`nymbia`	`lol`
`03:46.58`	`Xuerian`	`ckknight: They wouldn't be secret plans if I said how to get them in here, now would they? ... Oh.... Crud... I guess ... saying them out loud sortof nullifies that <.<`
`03:47.12`	`Xuerian`	`purl, flee!`
`03:47.14`	`purl`	`ACTION runs away screaming`
`03:48.51`	`Aeliel`	`s/fleeing people/fleeing person and bot/`
`03:48.52`	`Aeliel`	`=P`
`03:49.04`	`haarm`	`ck, well the root WMO file references the WMO subfiles, which contain texture location details`
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`03:50.46`	`ckknight`	`hrm, okay`
`03:50.59`	`CIA-17`	`03arjuna * r21636 10simpleMinimap/modules/pings.lua:`
`03:50.59`	`CIA-17`	`simpleMinimap:`
`03:51.00`	`CIA-17`	`- bad frame name in pings.lua`
`03:52.09`	`KarlThePagan`	`~seen rophy`
`03:52.32`	`purl`	`rophy <n=Miranda@61-225-15-199.dynamic.hinet.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowi-lounge, 4d 1h 55m 33s ago, saying: 'still Ace1? :p'.`
`03:52.32`	`KarlThePagan`	`doh`
`03:53.32`	`Aeliel`	`he doesn't talk much, does he? :p`
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`03:59.57`	`testify`	`Anyone know if it's possible to setup BT3 so that selfcasting buttons work alongside other button combinations?`
`04:02.12`	`testify`	`ie I have Shift + (1-9) and (1-9) setup for keybindings on different bars. Cntrl +1 works fine for selfcasting but I can't get Cntrl + Shift + 1 to work properly.`
`04:02.34`	`KarlThePagan`	`it's broken because of wow`
`04:02.43`	`KarlThePagan`	`fixed in 2.0.3 (on the beta realms right now)`
`04:03.04`	`testify`	`Alright, thanks`
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`04:05.43`	`Xuerian`	`purl, point Whitchprince!`
`04:05.50`	`purl`	`ACTION points at Whitchprince! with snickers and giggles`
`04:06.02`	`Xuerian`	`Nyr. Foiled again.`
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`04:06.24`	`Xuerian`	`ag isn't here, but most everyone has at least used ag_uf :P`
`04:08.05`	`CIA-17`	`03nymbia * r21637 10Manufac/Manufac.lua: Manufac: No longer include bank mats when determining what should be displayed in "Can Make" menu`
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`04:09.30`	`Zodiac`	`is there a mod that allows one to save the raid layout? ie. you lead an AB raid and wants to sort the groups the same way every time...`
`04:09.36`	`Zodiac`	`can this be automated in some way?`
`04:09.55`	`nymbia`	`Zodiac: i know i've seen that functionality somewhere`
`04:10.00`	`nymbia`	`but that was before 2.0..`
`04:10.05`	`Zodiac`	`ok, I need! :/`
`04:10.08`	`Zodiac`	`ohh`
`04:10.26`	`Zodiac`	`you don't happen to remember where you saw it?`
`04:10.41`	`nymbia`	`it may very well still work, shouldnt be blocked or anything. lemme take a quick look around..`
`04:10.47`	`Zodiac`	`that function would be dire when in a BG premade`
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`04:14.07`	`nymbia`	`Zodiac: can't find it :(`
`04:15.37`	`Zodiac`	`./cry`
`04:15.39`	`Zodiac`	`^^`
`04:15.52`	`Zodiac`	`well I'll try to search abit around`
`04:16.16`	`testify`	`Do any ace Unit Frame mods use the blizzard casting bars?`
`04:17.04`	`nymbia`	`testify: MEnemyCast adds 'em to ag_UF`
`04:17.09`	`testify`	`!!`
`04:17.27`	`testify`	`that's even better than changing unit frames!`
`04:17.31`	`nymbia`	`;)`
`04:17.55`	`Zodiac`	`ye but nymbia, mEnemyCastbars are somehow hidden behind the mana/rage/energy bar of the one above in the party :/`
`04:18.19`	`Zodiac`	`and I haven't found a way to make "spacing" between party members in the last versions of aguf`
`04:18.27`	`ZOAS\|Naxx`	`Zodiac - alter the growth distance between the party frames.`
`04:18.33`	`Zodiac`	`how?`
`04:18.37`	`Zodiac`	`I don't have that option`
`04:18.37`	`testify`	`have you tried different layouts Zodiac?`
`04:18.47`	`nymbia`	`Zodiac: yeah, there's some comments on wowi for it for changing the anchor point`
`04:18.53`	`Zodiac`	`ohh ok`
`04:18.59`	`nymbia`	`i think`
`04:19.01`	`Zodiac`	`I can't find anything in the DeuceCommander tho`
`04:19.13`	`ZOAS\|Naxx`	`Unit Groups - party - growth ditance`
`04:19.33`	`Zodiac`	`in the latest version?`
`04:19.33`	`ZOAS\|Naxx`	`ot`
`04:19.49`	`ZOAS\|Naxx`	`yes. It's near the bottom of the Frame Settings menu`
`04:20.37`	`Zodiac`	`hmm`
`04:20.46`	`Zodiac`	`isn't that the raid frames?`
`04:20.57`	`Daemona`	`nope`
`04:20.58`	`ZOAS\|Naxx`	`Unit Frames - Unit Groups - Party`
`04:21.04`	`Daemona`	`its group 1-8 and PARTY ;)`
`04:21.08`	`Zodiac`	`ohhh`
`04:21.12`	`Zodiac`	`I love you! :ED`
`04:21.13`	`Zodiac`	`:D`
`04:21.32`	`Daemona`	`love ZOAS\|Naxx pls my friend would get angry else :D`
`04:22.27`	`Zodiac`	`hehe :P`
`04:22.52`	`Zodiac`	`you inclnes "both of you" :P`
`04:23.52`	`Daemona`	`5:30 am`
`04:24.04`	`Daemona`	`seems i found the dead point for alterac valley in my battle group :D`
`04:25.38`	`CIA-17`	`03funkydude * r21638 10cyCircled/ (cyCircled.toc plugins/Bartender2.lua): cyCircled: add opt deps, remove bartender2 plugin`
`04:28.32`	`Zodiac`	`nymbia: SetRaidTarget("unit", index) - Set the raid target index for a unit.`
`04:28.40`	`Zodiac`	`hmm wrong paste :P`
`04:28.41`	`Zodiac`	`sry`
`04:28.51`	`nymbia`	`that confused me. ;)`
`04:28.51`	`Zodiac`	`SwapRaidSubgroup(index1, index2) - Swaps raid members into different groups`
`04:28.52`	`Zodiac`	`there`
`04:29.00`	`Zodiac`	`found it :)`
`04:29.07`	`tlund`	`does Prat impose a minimum size in chat windows? after installing Prat one of my 4-line windows turned 10, and I cant shrink it back?`
`04:29.35`	`testify`	`mmm mEnemyCastBar says agUF and Ace2 are dependencies and aren't installed`
`04:29.39`	`nymbia`	`Zodiac: yeah, i've seen a mod that did it back in the day`
`04:29.57`	`Zodiac`	`seems I just have to write one ;)`
`04:29.59`	`nymbia`	`testify: just change the toc.`
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`04:33.50`	`CIA-17`	`03laotseu * r21639 10AllPlayed/ (AllPlayed-enUS.lua AllPlayed.lua):`
`04:33.50`	`CIA-17`	`AllPlayed:`
`04:33.50`	`CIA-17`	`- Now showing total XP per Realm, Faction and Grand total (XP per character not yet shown)`
`04:33.50`	`CIA-17`	`- Added code to save the location of the characters (not yet shown)`
`04:33.51`	`CIA-17`	`- Option to show the total XP`
`04:33.51`	`CIA-17`	`- Option to show the location (useless for now)`
`04:35.20`	`CIA-17`	`03nymbia * r21640 10GrindStatus/GrindStatus.lua: GrindStatus: Fixed tooltip error when no faction is watched.`
`04:36.46`	`CIA-17`	`03nymbia * r21641 10GrindStatus/GrindStatus.lua: GrindStatus: Really fix that error. Maybe.`
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`04:38.12`	`Sarana`	`I think I found a fix for the AceLibrary / AceAddon-2.0 / LoadAddOn interaction gotcha.`
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`04:40.43`	`SpiffyJr`	`Anyone here have any experience with Cartographer_Herbalism?`
`04:43.31`	`Xuerian`	`SpiffyJr: Do you know anything about Cartographer?`
`04:43.51`	`SpiffyJr`	`I use it, that's about it.`
`04:43.56`	`SpiffyJr`	`I'm a PHP/C++ coder, not an LUA coder.`
`04:44.04`	`Xuerian`	`Go find out who wrote it, then ask again :p`
`04:44.12`	`SpiffyJr`	`Nymbia did`
`04:44.35`	`SpiffyJr`	`Well, the herbalism addon`
`04:44.42`	`Xuerian`	`And Cartographer itself?`
`04:45.21`	`SpiffyJr`	`Kergoth?`
`04:45.41`	`SpiffyJr`	`I lied, ckknight did.`
`04:45.43`	`SpiffyJr`	`You awake cK?`
`04:45.56`	`Xuerian`	`All three names you just pinged are in this channel.`
`04:46.14`	`Xuerian`	`The first is apparently around as of ten minutes ago.`
`04:46.33`	`SpiffyJr`	`I'll wait for Nymbia then.`
`04:46.43`	`nymbia`	`what'd i do?`
`04:46.51`	`SpiffyJr`	`Ah ha!`
`04:47.04`	`SpiffyJr`	`Just curious if your Cartographer_Herbalism addon is supposed to be working.`
`04:47.19`	`SpiffyJr`	`It records data, as far as I can tell.`
`04:47.20`	`nymbia`	`kergoth wrote it, not me ;)`
`04:47.25`	`SpiffyJr`	`Bah!`
`04:47.40`	`Kemayo`	`ckknight: Instance notes are showing up on the minimap while you're still outside the instance.`
`04:48.23`	`SpiffyJr`	`Kergoth: When you wake up let me know.`
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`04:51.32`	`CIA-17`	`03antiarc * r21642 10Sanity2/ (Sanity.lua SanityItemCache.lua): Sanity2: Added a fix to make the FuBar plugin update itself when the inventory changes.`
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`04:52.56`	`KarlThePagan`	`server restart... time to get my tidal charm`
`04:53.42`	`Antiarc`	`What server?`
`04:53.51`	`Antiarc`	`Cenarion Circle is restarting too`
`04:54.06`	`KarlThePagan`	`KJ`
`04:54.11`	`KarlThePagan`	`you in battlegroup9?`
`04:54.13`	`KarlThePagan`	`bloodlust?`
`04:54.15`	vid`	`all servers restarting`
`04:54.15`	vid`	`i think`
`04:55.03`	`Antiarc`	`No, the shortbus battlegroup`
`04:55.15`	`KarlThePagan`	`lol shortbus`
`04:55.16`	vid`	`yea im in that one too`
`04:55.46`	`KarlThePagan`	`tidal charm tidal charm /dance`
`04:56.28`	`nymbia`	`i should go get one too`
`04:56.28`	`KarlThePagan`	`totally gonna school fools in duel`
`04:56.29`	`KarlThePagan`	`gl lol`
`04:56.30`	`KarlThePagan`	`3 minutes to go here`
`04:56.34`	`nymbia`	`i camped that place for weeks`
`04:56.38`	`nymbia`	`pain in the ass`
`04:56.52`	`KarlThePagan`	`yea... i dunno if he always pops up after a restart anymore tho`
`04:57.00`	`KarlThePagan`	`or if it's still 100%`
`04:57.11`	`KarlThePagan`	`thott is conflicted`
`04:57.11`	`nymbia`	`not sure.`
`04:57.19`	`Kemayo`	`Khaz Modan is on its way down. ;_;`
`04:59.17`	`xgravix`	`what is the restart for`
`05:00.09`	vid`	`hmmmmm`
`05:00.11`	vid`	`watch a movie`
`05:00.12`	vid`	`or farm honor?`
`05:00.23`	vid`	`farmed 3000 honor already today`
`05:00.28`	vid`	`6k to go till HWL weap :(`
`05:00.39`	`KarlThePagan`	`battlegroup sucks`
`05:00.43`	`KarlThePagan`	`it's kil'jaeden`
`05:00.44`	vid`	`yea mine too`
`05:00.47`	`KarlThePagan`	`we infected y'all`
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`05:12.01`	`KarlThePagan`	`prince must be on a hard timer... no respawn :P`
`05:14.18`	`CIA-17`	`03antiarc * r21643 10Sanity2/ (Sanity.lua Sanity.xml): Sanity2: Couple of fixes for compatibility with Autobar/EQCompare/etc and a fix for new rules for tooltip anchoring.`
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`05:20.54`	`a-stray-cat`	`;O`
`05:22.16`	`Daemona`	`chuckles`
`05:22.20`	`Daemona`	`i AM amused`
`05:22.23`	`Daemona`	`-> http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=59305992&pageNo=1&sid=1#0`
`05:27.39`	`CIA-17`	`03rabbit * r21644 10BigWigs/Other/Onyxia.lua: BigWigs: Onyxia: Attempt to fix the DB trigger for frFR.`
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`05:31.08`	`markv`	`omg i'm so sad i missed out on the rampage bug`
`05:34.13`	vid`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnhJA2a3rXo&mode=related&search=`
`05:39.18`	`vhaarr`	`So we can't call ReloadUI() from addons any more?`
`05:41.38`	`Daemona`	`hu?`
`05:41.43`	`Daemona`	`mcp fu works fine?`
`05:41.51`	`Daemona`	`@ vhaarr`
`05:41.54`	`vhaarr`	`ah`
`05:41.56`	`vhaarr`	`Okay.`
`05:42.11`	`vhaarr`	`I was asking because I got an ADDON_ACTION_BLOCKED about ReloadUI.`
`05:42.20`	`vhaarr`	`Which I thought was strange, since it shouldn't be protected.`
`05:42.25`	`vhaarr`	`so .. wtf is going on.`
`05:42.47`	`Daemona`	`well in mcp fu its alt+click on the fubar caption to reloadui`
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`05:45.55`	`Daemona`	`but what i am a lot more curious about is`
`05:46.10`	`Daemona`	`how can itembonuslib keep on pulling up errors if its not loaded?`
`05:47.05`	`vhaarr`	`How do you know it's not loaded?`
`05:47.15`	`CIA-17`	`03rabbit * r21645 10Ace2/AceAddon-2.0/AceAddon-2.0.lua: .AceAddon-2.0: Fix problem where OnInitialize would not be called if another addon was loaded through LoadAddOn before the AceAddon-2.0 object was initialized. Thanks to Nayala for the patch.`
`05:49.20`	`Daemona`	`grmbls i disabled the standalone list.. but obviously overlooked an embedded subversion... nonetheless it tries to "attempt to call a method 'SetHyperlink'(a nil value)' " a zillion times`
`05:49.31`	`Daemona`	`s/list/libs`
`05:49.54`	`CIA-17`	`03rabbit * r21646 10!BugGrabber/BugGrabber.lua: !BugGrabber: Make sure we declare all the variables we use and some general cleanup.`
`05:50.50`	`Daemona`	`nonetheless, i login, mouseover an item and i get that error every tick`
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`06:00.30`	`haarm`	`haha`
`06:00.31`	`haarm`	`He jumped on the mailbox, to give rise to himself`
`06:00.31`	`haarm`	`I feared for a moment he'd become a night elf`
`06:00.31`	`haarm`	`But he did not /dance, or remove all his gear`
`06:00.31`	`haarm`	`So we all gathered round, and we lent him our ear`
`06:00.34`	`haarm`	`cheers Daemona :D`
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`06:06.42`	`CIA-17`	`03grayhoof * r21647 10sct/ (12 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed)`
`06:06.42`	`CIA-17`	`sct:`
`06:06.42`	`CIA-17`	`Made spell colors editable.`
`06:06.42`	`CIA-17`	`Added interruption events.`
`06:06.42`	`CIA-17`	`Added killing blow events.`
`06:06.43`	`CIA-17`	`Added Rampage Notification (not 100% prefect, but works most of the time).`
`06:06.45`	`CIA-17`	`Cleaned up crit overlapping more.`
`06:07.09`	`CIA-17`	`03grayhoof * r21648 10sct_options/ (9 files): (log message trimmed)`
`06:07.09`	`CIA-17`	`sct_options:`
`06:07.09`	`CIA-17`	`Made spell colors editable.`
`06:07.09`	`CIA-17`	`Added interruption events.`
`06:07.10`	`CIA-17`	`Added killing blow events.`
`06:07.12`	`CIA-17`	`Added Rampage Notification (not 100% prefect, but works most of the time).`
`06:07.14`	`CIA-17`	`Cleaned up crit overlapping more.`
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`06:11.10`	`CIA-17`	`03grayhoof * r21649 10sctd/ (localization.lua readme.txt sctd.lua):`
`06:11.10`	`CIA-17`	`sctd:`
`06:11.10`	`CIA-17`	`Added Interruption Events.`
`06:11.10`	`CIA-17`	`Spell colors now inherit colors set by SCT's settings.`
`06:11.45`	`CIA-17`	`03rabbit * r21651 10!BugGrabber/BugGrabber.lua: !BugGrabber: Don't put "r" in front of revision numbers.`
`06:11.46`	`CIA-17`	`03grayhoof * r21650 10sctd_options/ (8 files):`
`06:11.46`	`CIA-17`	`sctd_options:`
`06:11.46`	`CIA-17`	`Added Interruption Events.`
`06:11.47`	`CIA-17`	`Spell colors now inherit colors set by SCT's settings.`
`06:12.07`	`CIA-17`	`03rabbit * r21652 10BugSack/BugSack.lua: BugSack: Color version/revision numbers and ().`
`06:14.31`	`CIA-17`	`03grayhoof * r21653 10sctd_options/ (5 files):`
`06:14.31`	`CIA-17`	`sctd_options:`
`06:14.31`	`CIA-17`	`Fixed some missed localization changes.`
`06:15.31`	`CIA-17`	`03antiarc * r21654 10Sanity2/ (4 files):`
`06:15.31`	`CIA-17`	`Sanity2:`
`06:15.31`	`CIA-17`	`- Fixed a problem that prevented the display from updating when you added or removed a tag or category.`
`06:15.31`	`CIA-17`	`- Added the ability to drag items onto categories/tags on the left to organize them.`
`06:32.22`	`CIA-17`	`03rabbit 07Rabbit * r21655 10FuBar_GroupFu/ (GroupFu.lua GroupFuLocal-enUS.lua): FuBar_GroupFu: Add ability to set the loot type and loot threshold.`
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`06:37.31`	`CIA-17`	`03rabbit * r21656 10BugSack/ (BugSack.lua BugSackFu.lua): BugSack: Make sure to declare any variables we use.`
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`06:38.46`	`haarm`	`how come, sometimes CIA does 03rabbit 07Rabbit * and sometimes it does 3rabbit *`
`06:39.49`	`vhaarr`	`because it's a branch`
`06:40.04`	`vhaarr`	`http://svn.wowace.com/wowace/branches/FuBar_GroupFu/Rabbit/`
`06:40.08`	`vhaarr`	`And the branch is called Rabbit.`
`06:40.16`	`haarm`	`alright :)`
`06:42.18`	`haarm`	`I found the perfect little money maker... write mods, while camping the twilight prophet spawn location`
`06:42.40`	`haarm`	`14-20g / hr while coding`
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`06:49.01`	`CIA-17`	`03karlthepagan * r21657 10FuBar_OutfitterFu/OutfitterFu.lua:`
`06:49.01`	`CIA-17`	`FuBar_OutfitterFu:`
`06:49.02`	`CIA-17`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`06:49.30`	`vhaarr`	`~whalecrit KarlThePagan`
`06:49.34`	`purl`	`ACTION crits KarlThePagan with a mathematically skilled whale named Isaac for #NaN. KarlThePagan dies`
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`06:49.47`	`KarlThePagan`	`wii`
`06:49.50`	`haarm`	`vhaarr, when I want to use svn keywords, once I have set the properties, all I need is (for example) --[[ $Id$ ]] and "$Revision 0 $" in my code to get them replaced right?`
`06:49.53`	`vhaarr`	`ClosetGnome pwns you, nub.`
`06:49.58`	`Kaelten`	`beware virgin birth: http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2006-12/21/content_5515833.htm`
`06:50.06`	`vhaarr`	`haarm: $Revision$ works fine.`
`06:50.26`	`KarlThePagan`	`i like outfitter's ui better atm`
`06:50.26`	`haarm`	`ok, cheers, same with $Date$ ? because I put $Date 0000-00-00 $ :p`
`06:50.28`	`Kaelten`	`hows it goin guys?`
`06:50.36`	`haarm`	`hey Kael`
`06:50.38`	`vhaarr`	`haarm: yes`
`06:51.11`	`haarm`	`going well ty, how are you on this cold and frosty morning (at least where I am)`
`06:51.56`	`haarm`	`yea I didn't think of anything to spam you with today sylv`
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`06:53.25`	`Zenham`	`Greetings folks`
`06:53.25`	`sylvanaar`	`i actually played with putting glows and alpha on mouseover on the chatmenu - got it working then deleted it`
`06:53.58`	`haarm`	`why ?`
`06:54.04`	`sylvanaar`	`not sure`
`06:54.15`	`Zenham`	`Is Rabbit, the developer of BanzaiLib, hiding out here under a different nick?`
`06:54.24`	`sylvanaar`	`yeah, hes hiding`
`06:54.58`	`Kaelten`	`Zenham: I'll tell you who he is for $50.00`
`06:55.00`	`Kaelten`	`:p`
`06:55.03`	`CIA-17`	`03rabbit * r21658 10BanzaiAlert/BanzaiAlert.lua: BanzaiAlert: Make sure the aUFBanzai functions exist before calling them.`
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`06:55.13`	`vhaarr`	`o_O`
`06:55.20`	`Kaelten`	`vhaarr: lol`
`06:55.28`	`vhaarr`	`Zenham: I'm here :)`
`06:55.32`	`Kaelten`	`hehe`
`06:56.08`	`Zenham`	`Hehe... I wanted to offer an aggro sound constructed from scratch. I was on a 20 man in ZG and realized with vent going, the synth voice sound just got lost, and it was hard to hear the raid leader at the same time when I did catch it`
`06:56.24`	`vhaarr`	`Zenham: Cool, where can I DL?`
`06:56.31`	`sylvanaar`	`mostly i think it was the glow outline conflict with the bottombutton (same glow), i didnt want to deal with it`
`06:56.42`	`Zenham`	`So, I write music, I have synths, so I constructed a numebr of sounds and I've been testing them in Strat ans Scholo, and I have one that's been working astoundingly well`
`06:56.49`	`Zenham`	`Let me post it now.`
`06:56.58`	`vhaarr`	`Zenham: BigWigs wants custom imba sounds as well.`
`06:57.05`	`vhaarr`	`Zenham: And BugSack.`
`06:57.09`	`vhaarr`	`gieef!`
`06:57.23`	`sylvanaar`	`imba sounds?`
`06:57.30`	`vhaarr`	`well, cool ones.`
`06:57.37`	`Arrowmaster`	`omg wow i just found an interesting bug, my 31 druid gets track humonoids when i shift into cat form (track humonoids is learned at 32 so i dont have it yet)`
`06:57.38`	`Zenham`	`I would be glad to help. I have worked in sound production in the past (musician, and I was a DJ for 7 years, radio not mix)`
`06:57.45`	`vhaarr`	`Zenham: Excellent.`
`06:57.50`	`sylvanaar`	`oh, prat too then`
`06:58.03`	`Zenham`	`I've got some source material and a good set of tools. Mostly use Audaacity because it rocks though :)`
`06:58.07`	`vhaarr`	`Zenham: Basically, any sounds for BW and BugSack should just be piped to me, I'm here most of the time.`
`06:58.16`	`Zenham`	`Okiedoke.`
`06:58.25`	`vhaarr`	`Zenham: Tried Jokosher?`
`06:58.52`	`Zenham`	`Nope, never have. What type of softwre?`
`06:58.54`	`vhaarr`	`It's not very mature yet, but it looks good.`
`06:58.55`	`sylvanaar`	`they gonna need thier own litte folder`
`06:59.36`	`vhaarr`	`Zenham: hrm, seems their website is down right now, heh. Excellent timing.`
`06:59.37`	`Zenham`	`vhaarr: http://www.markh.com/wow/aggro.wav`
`06:59.39`	`sylvanaar`	`or better - a central registry`
`06:59.43`	`Zenham`	`I have a knack :)`
`07:00.20`	`vhaarr`	`Zenham: 215 kb is a lot.`
`07:00.24`	`Zenham`	`I've been working on an interface pack for a couple of weeks now, following lot of the projects`
`07:00.25`	`KarlThePagan`	`central registry for sounds?`
`07:00.29`	`sylvanaar`	`yeah`
`07:00.29`	`vhaarr`	`Zenham: 4 seconds of silence?`
`07:00.32`	`sylvanaar`	`that would be nice`
`07:00.38`	`KarlThePagan`	`sylvanaar, I am working on such a thing`
`07:00.40`	`Zenham`	`Oops, sorry. I have a cropped version here`
`07:00.49`	`haarm`	`Zenham, isn't that a sample from a dr. dre track?`
`07:00.51`	`KarlThePagan`	`made a post in libs... lemme find it`
`07:01.40`	`haarm`	`not that I like that kind of music, it just sounds familiar if you play the first 0.5 secs over and over :D`
`07:01.40`	`KarlThePagan`	`sylvanaar, any interface feedback appreciated - http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=3246.0`
`07:02.02`	`Zenham`	`The double-beep was a repitched and warped sound from a synth sample, the falling cascade behind it is me on a voice on my Kawai K4 with a tweaked version of a sound called Morea`
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`07:03.09`	`KarlThePagan`	`basically will send/recieve sounds keywords via AceComm routed thru itself (a la Quixote - a libarary as an AceComm) or via another mod (helps debugging? sounded like a good idea)`
`07:03.32`	`Zenham`	`Ok. Try again, 26.5k :)`
`07:03.32`	`KarlThePagan`	`i kinda got distracted but still making incremental improvements`
`07:03.44`	`Zenham`	`Sorry about that. Sent you the work file not the converted and downsampled cropped version`
`07:03.50`	`Kaelten`	`I've got distracted from working on KCI :(`
`07:04.04`	`KarlThePagan`	`heh np`
`07:04.10`	`vhaarr`	`Zenham: Okay, that's better.`
`07:04.12`	`sylvanaar`	`i was just thinking that you can have 10 mods with sounds in them, and it would let them share sound files without creating dependancies`
`07:04.17`	`vhaarr`	`Zenham: Anyway, do you use BugSack?`
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`07:04.53`	`Zenham`	`Yes I do, was using ImprovedErrorframe but I needed more info when tracking conflicts while putting together a UI pack`
`07:05.03`	`haarm`	`ok guys, i'm having a problem with tradeskills, I think I exhausted every path now... is there really no way to get tradeskill/profession information unless the tradeskill UI is loaded? it seems absurd that the API doesn't even return information unless the client ui has been loaded.`
`07:05.04`	`sylvanaar`	`aliasing`
`07:05.09`	`Zenham`	`Holding off until the dust settles so to speak`
`07:05.11`	`vhaarr`	`Zenham: Right, so you know the sound I'm talking about.`
`07:05.40`	`Zenham`	`Yep... fatality :)`
`07:05.41`	`KarlThePagan`	`sylvanaar, this would work like that also allowing the user to set local overrides to change/mute sounds as they preferred`
`07:05.57`	`Kaelten`	`haarm: the window has to be open to get info from it`
`07:06.21`	`Kaelten`	`haarm or rather you have to be between an open event and a close event I believe`
`07:06.22`	`vhaarr`	`Zenham: Something like "Oh nooooes!" in a similar voice or some alert sounds or whatever would be excellent for BugSack.`
`07:06.28`	`sylvanaar`	`KarlThePagan: yeah, that does sound like a natural progression for it`
`07:06.29`	`vhaarr`	`Zenham: Also know that WoW supports MP3 files.`
`07:06.34`	`haarm`	`that really is... strange, that the API to retreive information, depends on the display`
`07:06.38`	`Zenham`	`vhaarr: I'll see what I can come up with. Ah, good to know.`
`07:06.41`	`Kaelten`	`haarm: not actually the display`
`07:06.43`	`vhaarr`	`Zenham: So if you can reduce the size further by MP3-encoding the files, do that.`
`07:06.53`	`KarlThePagan`	`I even think I can hook PlaySound and PlaySoundFile to let the user override non-SharedSOunds sound and Blizzard UI sounds (the annoying click on join that used to be there)`
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`07:07.11`	`KarlThePagan`	`the hack-in solution to click on raid join hooked PlaySound`
`07:07.15`	`Kaelten`	`haarm: it depends on the user having attempted to open it`
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`07:07.31`	`sylvanaar`	`what`
`07:07.33`	`Zenham`	`vhaarr: Is there overhead in playback from one version to the next? I need to find a little API info on sound support`
`07:07.37`	`haarm`	`ok, but that's done via a "spell"`
`07:07.39`	`KarlThePagan`	`I'll try to get a working version comitted real soon... might not have complete filter support tho`
`07:07.42`	`vhaarr`	`Zenham: I don't think so, no.`
`07:07.48`	`Kaelten`	`haarm: yep, it sucks`
`07:07.59`	`KarlThePagan`	`in the first 2.0 push there was a UI clicking sound when someone joined the raid`
`07:08.09`	`KarlThePagan`	`greatly annoyed many people`
`07:08.11`	`sylvanaar`	`the click on raid join didnt hook PlaySound`
`07:08.11`	`Kaelten`	`haarm: you can pull the info betwen the open and close events pretty much`
`07:08.28`	`KarlThePagan`	`sylvanaar, lemme find the thread i saw on it`
`07:08.30`	`haarm`	`so there's no way of getting a list of recipes people have learned without user intervention`
`07:08.34`	`KarlThePagan`	`i'll pastebin the fix`
`07:08.51`	`sylvanaar`	`self:Hook("LFGParentFrameTab2_OnClick", true)`
`07:08.53`	`Kaelten`	`haarm: not unless you can figure out how to get that event to fire`
`07:09.06`	`KarlThePagan`	`hah well i said it was a hack!`
`07:09.15`	`sylvanaar`	`function PratGJN:LFGParentFrameTab2_OnClick()`
`07:09.15`	`sylvanaar`	`if ( LFGParentFrame:IsShown() ) then`
`07:09.15`	`sylvanaar`	`self.hooks.LFGParentFrameTab2_OnClick()`
`07:09.15`	`sylvanaar`	`end`
`07:09.15`	`sylvanaar`	`end`
`07:09.18`	`Zenham`	`vhaarr: Okay, I'll work something up. I have to say though that I have found the voice samples are getting too easily covered but voice chat, and sometimes combat sounds. I had to keep crisping up that thing yuo just got in order for it to stand out but not so much that it became insanely irritating`
`07:09.20`	`haarm`	`ok, from now on my mods will be distributed with 3rd party programs :p`
`07:09.30`	`Zenham`	`s/but/by/`
`07:09.33`	`vhaarr`	`Zenham: okay`
`07:10.01`	`sylvanaar`	`yeah, short sounds are better alot of times`
`07:10.15`	`Zenham`	`I'll give you a range of things to pick and choose. Not tonight though, I've been up for 30 hours straight :) about to get a shower and collapse in a heap`
`07:10.49`	`Zenham`	`Thank you for BanzaiAlert and BanzaiLib, btw. They have made instancing much smoother for me`
`07:10.49`	`sylvanaar`	`so did the noise get removed?`
`07:11.15`	`Zenham`	`sylvanaar: The one I posted? I reposted the right version, same filename`
`07:11.24`	`Zenham`	`oh sorry no]`
`07:11.30`	`KarlThePagan`	`sylvanaar, here's the hackey fix posted - (ace pastey is SQLowned)`
`07:11.33`	`KarlThePagan`	`... /script if not _clickfixed then __xps=PlaySound; function PlaySound(snd) if (snd~="igCharacterInfoTab") then __xps(snd); end end _clickfixed=1; end`
`07:11.34`	`Arrowmaster`	`a cleaned up version of the sound ctraid (used to? no clue i dont use ctraid anymore) uses for raidwarning would be nice with silence striped out, i made a mod to hook PlaySound and replace the RaidWarning sound but with that one but the silence in it caused sounds to get skiped sometimes due to another sound still being played`
`07:11.57`	`KarlThePagan`	`so ... someone did it by hooking playsound ;)`
`07:12.04`	`KarlThePagan`	`not the best solution i agree`
`07:12.16`	`KarlThePagan`	`?`
`07:12.17`	`sylvanaar`	`ah`
`07:13.14`	`KarlThePagan`	`i was thinking of using lua's stackframe to figure out the caller of PlaySound and set replacements based on that, but I need to make sure that wouldn't be a huge performance hit`
`07:13.20`	`KarlThePagan`	`in java it hurts bad`
`07:14.50`	`CIA-17`	`03rabbit * r21659 10BanzaiAlert/ (5 files in 2 dirs): BanzaiAlert: New aggro sound from Zenham, thanks!`
`07:17.27`	`Zenham`	`vhaarr: Agreed, I am having trouble identifying my client to nickserv apparently`
`07:17.37`	`vhaarr`	`Zenham: ok`
`07:17.54`	`Zenham`	`Freely donated. Use as you wish. YMMV. Objects in mirror are closer than they appear...`
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`07:20.41`	`CIA-17`	`03rabbit * r21660 10WitchHunt/WitchHunt.lua:`
`07:20.41`	`CIA-17`	`WitchHunt:`
`07:20.41`	`CIA-17`	`<PROTECTED>`
`07:20.41`	`CIA-17`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`07:21.40`	`vhaarr`	`gah, I fucked up koKR`
`07:22.02`	`Elkano`	`good job :thumbsup:`
`07:22.44`	`vhaarr`	`Wonder why svn diff doesn't show that.`
`07:23.00`	`Arrowmaster`	`it was fucked up before?`
`07:23.07`	`vhaarr`	`http://www.wowace.com/trac/changeset/21660`
`07:23.14`	`vhaarr`	`Clearly something changed.`
`07:23.29`	`vhaarr`	`But nothing showed up on my pre-checkin svn diff, I always perform one.`
`07:23.42`	`vhaarr`	`Maybe it still works?`
`07:24.03`	`haarm`	`guessing local locale stuff might be a problem?`
`07:24.11`	`haarm`	`you didn't save as utf8 maybe?`
`07:24.11`	`vhaarr`	`maybe`
`07:24.15`	`vhaarr`	`I did.`
`07:24.18`	`haarm`	`hm :x`
`07:24.28`	`vhaarr`	`gah, I'll just leave it to the koreans`
`07:24.31`	vid`	`damn`
`07:24.40`	`Iceroth`	`tortoise diff says they are the same :s`
`07:24.43`	`Arrowmaster`	`how did you also chance the tab spacing on everything?`
`07:24.54`	`vhaarr`	`Arrowmaster: I did that intentionally.`
`07:24.57`	vid`	`girl melissa thats been hanging around with us on the weekends is building a sick car, http://powertvmedia.com/filehost/files/2/Forum%20Photos/CIMG1174.jpg`
`07:25.05`	`a-stray-cat`	`if i do value = { string.gfind(string, pattern) };`
`07:25.15`	`a-stray-cat`	`do i get a table of the returns?`
`07:25.20`	`vhaarr`	`yes`
`07:25.25`	`a-stray-cat`	`<3`
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`07:25.49`	`a-stray-cat`	`lua's pretty neat.`
`07:25.57`	`haarm`	`did tortoise merge do that?`
`07:26.13`	`Iceroth`	`but do you really want to create table there is the question :)`
`07:26.51`	`a-stray-cat`	`yes, yes i do.`
`07:27.50`	`Zenham`	`I have to agree with you a-stray-cat, I've been wrapping my brain around Lua for the past couple of days.`
`07:28.56`	`sylvanaar`	`i made a change to my local jostle, i think it fixed the errors in the bgs`
`07:29.29`	`haarm`	`btw, what was bugged with rampage`
`07:30.15`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Heh.`
`07:30.16`	`sylvanaar`	`i need to add a log to see if the code is executing`
`07:30.37`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`There was a way with duels and instance hopping to get it to stack.`
`07:30.39`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`A lot.`
`07:30.45`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`For absurd amounts of AP.`
`07:31.01`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`There's a screenshot of someone one-shotting hakkar for 6.6million damage.`
`07:31.59`	`a-stray-cat`	`:O`
`07:32.03`	`Arrowmaster`	`lol, sounds like the gear swaping bug that seems to show up every ptr`
`07:32.41`	`a-stray-cat`	`[Ammo]: ping`
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`07:32.51`	`a-stray-cat`	`'lo ckknight`
`07:33.40`	`haarm`	`Arrowmaster, well, they definitely branched the code for BC way back, noticed how wallwalking is back in? :P`
`07:33.54`	`Arrowmaster`	`omg it is?`
`07:33.59`	`haarm`	`oh yes :D`
`07:34.03`	`Arrowmaster`	`on live?`
`07:34.06`	`haarm`	`yep`
`07:34.09`	`Arrowmaster`	`omg`
`07:34.22`	`haarm`	`time to don the noggaholic hat? :D`
`07:34.27`	`Arrowmaster`	`i got a guildmate that once walked out of av`
`07:35.26`	`haarm`	`although it doesn't seem to be quite the same as before, but you can still ascend almost vertical walls by accurate jumping`
`07:35.44`	`Arrowmaster`	`oh`
`07:35.45`	`haarm`	`if you can land "along" a vertex`
`07:36.02`	`Arrowmaster`	`thats been in for a while i thought`
`07:36.05`	`haarm`	`you can still walk along verticies too`
`07:36.28`	`haarm`	`nah, go and have a play, its different to 1.x`
`07:36.28`	`sylvanaar`	`yar i does`
`07:36.48`	`sylvanaar`	`anyone want to try it out in a bg`
`07:37.09`	`Arrowmaster`	`ill have to see if i can get back up to the if airport`
`07:37.30`	`Arrowmaster`	`and if so get some guild hunters and go have some fun shooting duelers`
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`07:39.24`	`Iceroth`	`whaa? wall walking is back? troll disco, here i come`
`07:39.33`	`sylvanaar`	`vhaarr / ckknight: http://ace.pastey.net/3845 this seems to fix my bg errors`
`07:40.21`	`Iceroth`	`and you can get to IF airport, just need some slow fall or parachute cloak`
`07:40.32`	`vhaarr`	`sylvanaar: hm`
`07:41.04`	`vhaarr`	`sylvanaar: UIParent.isOutOfControl is nil in combat here.`
`07:41.12`	`vhaarr`	`sylvanaar: When is it non-nil?`
`07:46.29`	`Elkano`	`true true... http://talents.unleashedgaming.net/?p=vt&i=3434`
`07:46.51`	`sylvanaar`	`end of a bg`
`07:47.12`	`sylvanaar`	`feared`
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`07:47.46`	`sylvanaar`	`either one`
`07:48.15`	`haarm`	`seems EU just got a rolling restart, anyone know why?`
`07:48.36`	`vhaarr`	`sylvanaar: HasFullControl() or UnitPlayerControlled("player") ?`
`07:49.03`	`vhaarr`	`sylvanaar: I'm just thinking one of those would be the "real" access path to this variable.`
`07:49.08`	`vhaarr`	`sylvanaar: Could you verify?`
`07:49.50`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`haarm: not sure. I know my US server had problems with the mail after the rampage hotfix.`
`07:49.51`	`vhaarr`	`sylvanaar: And try to modify Jostle at line 244, where it says \|if frame and InCombatLockDown() and ...\| do \|if frame and (InCombatLockDown() or ...) and ...\|`
`07:50.14`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Apparently some servers were also allowing alliance characters to get Exodar rep in AV.`
`07:50.23`	`vhaarr`	`sylvanaar: and insert HasFullControl() or UnitPlayerControlled("player") or UIParent.isOutOfControl.-`
`07:50.40`	`vhaarr`	`sylvanaar: Anyway, back in 30min.`
`07:50.43`	`Tenrai`	`ZealotOnAStick, friend of mine got Revered with the Exodar yesterday.`
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`07:52.41`	`MoonWolf`	`its a nightelf.`
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`07:57.28`	`Arrowmaster`	`ZealotOnAStick: huh? ive been getting silvermoon rep in av since the patch`
`07:58.05`	`a-stray-cat`	`value = { string.gmatch(s, "%a+") } didnt work :(`
`07:58.09`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Hrm.`
`07:58.13`	`a-stray-cat`	`dumping value gets a function QQ`
`07:58.15`	`a-stray-cat`	`oh well`
`07:58.29`	`a-stray-cat`	`any elegant way to get all of string.gmatch's returns as a table?`
`07:58.33`	`Arrowmaster`	`not true silvermoon rep but getting spillover rep for getting org rep`
`07:58.55`	`Dhraga`	`morning all`
`07:59.19`	`Barbanus`	`Does anyone else get d/c every time they link something with kcitem linkview .. even if they are wearing them item?`
`07:59.30`	`Arrowmaster`	`yeah`
`07:59.52`	`Elkano`	`at least ItemDB linking seems to be fine :p`
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`08:00.41`	`Dhraga`	`Wasn't the id's for the items changed in 2.0?`
`08:00.58`	`Elkano`	`yes, from 4 to 8`
`08:01.03`	`Barbanus`	`I never had kcitems pre-2.0`
`08:01.11`	`Barbanus`	`So its not like an old DB or anything`
`08:01.22`	`Barbanus`	`But I could nuke it to be sure :P`
`08:01.24`	`Elkano`	`but also GetItemInfo is now returning a full link instead of only an id`
`08:01.47`	`Dhraga`	`Barbanus, yes the KCItems item db is old 1.12 i reccon`
`08:02.36`	`Dhraga`	`Barbanus, you can just remove the linkview module untill Kaelten have updated KCI`
`08:02.50`	`Kaelten`	`which is in the works btw, but its a complete rewrite`
`08:02.56`	`Barbanus`	`or I can just not use it :)`
`08:03.06`	`Kaelten`	`Barbanus: :P`
`08:03.14`	`Dhraga`	`:P`
`08:03.29`	`dreamss`	`http://digg.com/linux_unix/Project_Looking_Glass_1_0_Released_2`
`08:03.33`	`Barbanus`	`I'm a patient man :P`
`08:03.36`	`dreamss`	`fuckyes`
`08:04.49`	`[Liq]`	`ag_uf is such a messy addon in Alterac Valley :-/`
`08:07.51`	`ckknight`	`well, I just did the only sane thing someone who got his wisdom teeth out would do: went to a bar and had chicken wings`
`08:08.24`	`a-stray-cat`	`nice.`
`08:08.36`	`ckknight`	`hehe`
`08:11.16`	`ckknight`	`haarm, made any insights regarding the WMO issue?`
`08:14.13`	`Tenrai`	`MoonWolf, it's not affecting you.`
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`08:17.22`	`montagg`	`If there are any WoWWiki admins present, please join the #wowwiki channel.`
`08:18.12`	`a-stray-cat`	`ooh, a wowwiki channel.`
`08:18.24`	`a-stray-cat`	`can we debate class balance and lore there? :P`
`08:18.36`	`haarm`	`ckknight, didn't look at it, found something more interesting :D`
`08:19.20`	`ckknight`	`blah`
`08:20.00`	`CIA-17`	`03rabbit * r21661 10JostleLib/Jostle-2.0/Jostle-2.0.lua: .Jostle-2.0: Don't process frames if the player is not in control of his actions.`
`08:20.24`	`vhaarr`	`sylvanaar: Try it now, please.`
`08:21.34`	`CIA-17`	`03elkano * r21662 10FuBar_FactionsFu/ (FuBar_FactionsFu.lua Locales/FuBar_FactionsFu.enUS.lua):`
`08:21.34`	`CIA-17`	`FuBar_FactionsFu`
`08:21.34`	`CIA-17`	`- fixed AceLocale bug`
`08:21.34`	`CIA-17`	`- added some local table recycling`
`08:22.38`	`haarm`	`ckknight, I made a dll that registers a new function with the lua virtual machine, called ClearTaint()`
`08:22.44`	`haarm`	`purely for research purposes ofc`
`08:22.54`	`ckknight`	`k...`
`08:23.19`	`haarm`	`and it zero's the taint registers`
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`08:24.42`	`Barbanus`	`Hmmm that sounds ... hackky :P`
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`08:26.56`	`Barbanus`	`hehe`
`08:26.57`	`MoonWolf`	`haarm,eeuh, is it even possible to register a dll with wow without triggering about 50 hack alarms ?`
`08:27.05`	`haarm`	`yep`
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`08:27.23`	`cncfanatics`	`yo all`
`08:27.32`	`haarm`	`because you put jump tables in between nop aligned code and it thinks the functions are local`
`08:27.33`	`MoonWolf`	`yo cnc`
`08:27.44`	`Laricwork`	`is there any nice timer bars that shows how long my hot`
`08:27.51`	`Laricwork`	`is there any nice timer bars that shows how long my hot's are running for?`
`08:27.57`	`haarm`	`Chronometer`
`08:28.00`	`MoonWolf`	`chronometer ?`
`08:28.04`	`Barbanus`	`haarm, and basically it allows you to bypass all of their "not allowed by blizz" stuff eh?`
`08:28.05`	`Laricwork`	`ah nice :P`
`08:28.23`	`Kaelten`	`haarm: do me a favor and not share that with anyone.`
`08:28.31`	`haarm`	`Kaelten, of course`
`08:28.37`	`Barbanus`	`In theory .. of course`
`08:28.46`	`haarm`	`it was just a little fun to see if it was possible`
`08:28.54`	`haarm`	`turns out there's actually 3 taint registers`
`08:29.02`	`phreaky`	`Hmm, is it SCT that's updated to show Killing Blows etc? I didn't have it yesterday and i havent installed any new addons since that :)`
`08:29.12`	`phreaky`	`And shows when i get soul shards etc`
`08:29.14`	`haarm`	`and it passes the "taint" as variables are pushed onto the lua stack`
`08:29.29`	`haarm`	`of course, calling a function, you push it's name onto the stack before the call`
`08:29.39`	`Barbanus`	`Unfortunately thats the problem with software, if someone can design it .. someone else can design something that fucks with it badly.`
`08:30.03`	`Kaelten`	`Barbanus: yep, and its our job to not do something that causes bad backlashes`
`08:30.16`	`Barbanus`	`Kaelten, exactly`
`08:30.23`	`Kaelten`	`if that hack became wide knowledge people would abuse it and blizz would have to figure out something to stop it`
`08:30.34`	`Wobin`	`haarm: I suggest you whisper that note into slouken's ear if you could`
`08:30.55`	`haarm`	`which bit?`
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`08:31.08`	`Wobin`	`the whole concept really =P`
`08:31.22`	`axxo`	`i sense a banned account in the makes`
`08:31.38`	`haarm`	`I really don't think they can afford the cpu overhead to checksum the whole wow address space`
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`08:31.49`	`Laricwork`	`should be easy to detect tampering with the lua vm`
`08:32.28`	`Barbanus`	`the rampage bug was insane`
`08:32.29`	`Barbanus`	`lol`
`08:32.41`	`Barbanus`	`(Unless a made a fatal flaw, this guy is definately hacking. I heard rumors of a Rampage stacking bug, where you could stack it 100000000 times, getting basically infinate AP)`
`08:32.43`	`haarm`	`guess it would be possible to make sure the only C function closures in the lua stack are the ones registered when the UI initialises`
`08:32.44`	`Barbanus`	`Ooops`
`08:32.47`	`Barbanus`	`wrong paste :(`
`08:32.56`	`Barbanus`	`http://files.filefront.com//;6392187;;/`
`08:32.57`	`Barbanus`	`That one :P`
`08:33.07`	`sylvanaar`	`vhaarr: i was trying it - but i have to queue for bg's and get into a match with a raid and its taking forever`
`08:33.10`	`Barbanus`	`warrior soloing MC`
`08:33.14`	`vhaarr`	`sylvanaar: ah`
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`08:33.27`	`Mikma`	`moo, waddap noobies and ckknight`
`08:33.36`	`ckknight`	`hey`
`08:33.49`	`haarm`	`but, then you can get around that by overwriting the closure of an exisiting function, and essentially hooking it`
`08:33.59`	`Wobin`	`Barbanus: You had to zone in and out`
`08:34.06`	`Wobin`	`multple times to get it to stack`
`08:34.11`	`Barbanus`	`Wobin, yea`
`08:34.23`	`Kaelten`	`haarm: I just hope you don't get banned in a day or two once they process reports`
`08:34.44`	`Barbanus`	`Some dude in my guild got hit by a warrior in SM for 2.3k with a Quel, and screamed on our forums :P`
`08:35.02`	`haarm`	`reports being? the automated warden ones, or something someone in here just made?`
`08:35.12`	`Kaelten`	`warden`
`08:35.21`	`haarm`	`ah well, I'm fairly confident :)`
`08:35.29`	`Kaelten`	`hehe`
`08:35.54`	`haarm`	`account has been alive for 2 years now with a hell of a lot of experimenting`
`08:36.05`	`Kaelten`	`lol`
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`08:36.28`	`sylvanaar`	`heh, so what'd you use a debugger?`
`08:36.46`	`Kaelten`	`lets not get into specifics guys`
`08:36.51`	`haarm`	`sorry`
`08:37.02`	`Kaelten`	`one topic I'm going to have to ask that we don't get too much in depth with`
`08:37.08`	`axxo`	`paranoia is so high :)`
`08:37.19`	`Kaelten`	`axxo paranoia and respect :)`
`08:37.20`	`haarm`	`tbh, most of the stuff is harmless, I registered an lua wrapper for windows messaging functions so I could control winamp from in game`
`08:38.22`	`CIA-17`	`03rabbit * r21663 10BigWigs/ (13 files in 2 dirs): BigWigs: VersionQuery can now query the version of plugins individually, just enter the plugin name as zone.`
`08:38.45`	`Kaelten`	`haarm: I hear ya, but its one of those subjects that could lead to serious abuse :)`
`08:38.54`	`evl`	`Hmms`
`08:38.56`	`haarm`	`I know, sorry`
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`08:39.01`	`Kaelten`	`hehe its ok`
`08:39.10`	`haarm`	`i'll keep it out of the channel`
`08:39.13`	`axxo`	`most people don't have the knowledge for it probably anyway`
`08:39.17`	`evl`	`now that trac is gone, would it be possible to mirror the latest SVN changelog.txt for the entire repository somewhere?`
`08:39.27`	`Barbanus`	`Yea, unfortunately just talking about it may have given someone else in the channel bad ideas .. and they aren't as "non abusive" with them`
`08:39.30`	`Wobin`	`http://66.195.193.221:8010/`
`08:39.31`	`Wobin`	`hehe`
`08:39.35`	`Kaelten`	`evl: trac gone?`
`08:39.58`	`haarm`	`Barbanus, concepts and implementations are entirely different things, thankfully`
`08:40.04`	`sylvanaar`	`there are a million ways to do the same thing im sure`
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`08:40.10`	`Barbanus`	`haarm, true`
`08:40.11`	`Kaelten`	`evl: http://www.wowace.com/trac has been back for a while.`
`08:40.20`	`evl`	`oh :)`
`08:40.20`	`evl`	`ncie`
`08:42.35`	`Zenham`	`Hrm, some update has started eating memory and not recycling automatically. Is there a method I can use to see some prof info on loaded Lua code?`
`08:42.57`	`Zenham`	`(without completely blowing my mind and writing a profiler, my fu is not strong yet)`
`08:43.09`	`Barbanus`	`For any of you professional programmer types (meaning, you do it for a living and get paid for it), this is an interesting read .... http://www.zedshaw.com/essays/c2i2_hypothesis.html`
`08:43.27`	`Barbanus`	`probably an interesting read regardless`
`08:43.34`	`haarm`	`I don't think you can profile individual mods Zenham, I was asking about something similar the other day`
`08:43.41`	`haarm`	`or even specific pieces of code`
`08:44.26`	`naenee`	`MusicStream looks interesting :)`
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`08:44.48`	`Zenham`	`Forcing garbage collection brings memory back down (I am running a lot of beta addons to help test for people) to 40M, but it's grown as high as 114M within 10 minutes`
`08:45.54`	`nymbia`	`wow`
`08:47.20`	`Zenham`	`I suppose function:oops = { while 1 self.oops } was a bad idea (sorry, my Lua is new and that's mishmash)`
`08:47.48`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`114megs? That's a tad excessive.`
`08:48.49`	`cncfanatics`	`any nice soul shard addon around ?`
`08:48.52`	`Zenham`	`I was noticing a significant lurch when a mob died, 1.5sec lag... I'm thinking it's something related to a mob kill event then`
`08:49.08`	`andremar`	`cncfanatics: the Stone module of Henge?`
`08:49.20`	`cncfanatics`	`what is Henge ? :p`
`08:49.22`	`Wobin`	`Zenham: Do you have a list of addons?`
`08:49.26`	`haarm`	`Barbanus, that is quite interesting, actually thinking of ditching a project already, I got a collaborator -> implementation on the go`
`08:49.33`	`Wobin`	`cncfanatics: Isn't it generic caster mod?`
`08:49.36`	`cncfanatics`	`oh, a necrosis like`
`08:49.42`	`cncfanatics`	`I dont rly like all necrosis or its clones`
`08:49.45`	`Wobin`	`yeah, but designed to work for all of them`
`08:49.46`	`Zenham`	`Let me get into WoW again and chatlog it`
`08:49.57`	`andremar`	`cncfanatics: http://www.wowace.com/wiki/Henge`
`08:49.58`	`andremar`	`cncfanatics: ok`
`08:50.04`	`andremar`	`cncfanatics: then its not for you I guess :p`
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`08:50.59`	`Zenham`	`Might be WoW itself, my realm (Gnomeregan) is down now`
`08:52.18`	`CIA-17`	`03rabbit * r21664 10FuBar_MoneyFu/MoneyFu.lua: FuBar_MoneyFu: Update the tooltip every 60 seconds, at least.`
`08:53.20`	`sylvanaar`	`Barbanus: good read - tho narcissistic`
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`08:53.55`	`naenee`	`Is there an Aced addon which removes the coin-displays and shows only numbers? Such as 1.42.38, where the '1' is in a gold color, the '42' in silver and the '38' in a copper color? Oh, and does 'Coins' work for live? I tried it a bit ago but it didn't work for me - is it TBC-only?`
`08:54.55`	`vhaarr`	`naenee: MoneyFu.`
`08:55.27`	`haarm`	`does it actually remove the coin display? I know it can display it like that for itself, but not sure about other places money is displayed`
`08:55.51`	`vhaarr`	`Ah, I have no idea.`
`08:55.58`	`CIA-17`	`03sayclub * r21665 10ClosetGnome/locales/koKR.lua:`
`08:55.58`	`CIA-17`	`ClosetGnome:`
`08:55.59`	`CIA-17`	`Update locals koKR.`
`08:56.35`	`DrZoot`	`have the doors in the courtyard of UC always been open?`
`08:56.41`	`DrZoot`	`on the sides i mean`
`08:57.24`	`Arrowmaster`	`yes`
`08:57.35`	`DrZoot`	`weird, ive never notcied`
`08:57.49`	`Arrowmaster`	`the ones that are under the stairs right?`
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`09:00.41`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Can't Coins do that?`
`09:00.56`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`As for a shard addon, I'm using ShardAce for now, and it's "ok" but I miss my old Shardtracker, and I miss Sprocket much more.`
`09:01.14`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Shardtracker 3G was released yesterday, but I personally hated it after about 10 minutes of messing with it.`
`09:01.34`	`axxo`	`write your own :)`
`09:01.48`	`andremar`	`GetItemCount(<itemid>) isnt it? :)`
`09:02.49`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`If I had the coding background and experience and time to do so right now, axxo, I probably would have already.`
`09:02.53`	`Sparhawke`	`yea shardtracker 3 G is bad`
`09:03.07`	`Sparhawke`	`I also miss the old shard tracker very very much`
`09:03.08`	`Sparhawke`	`\`
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`09:03.15`	`Wobin`	`3G?`
`09:03.36`	`andremar`	`UMTS tracker`
`09:03.50`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`ShardAce isn't bad, but I miss Healthstone trading, and the differences in clicking and right-clicking on the ShardAce buttons vs. the old Shardtracker Resurrection still throws me at times.`
`09:03.57`	`Sparhawke`	`yea`
`09:04.04`	`Sparhawke`	`and you cannot move the buttons around`
`09:04.10`	`Sparhawke`	`I have to use Discord Frame Modifier to move them around`
`09:04.12`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Sure you can.`
`09:04.22`	`Sparhawke`	`you can move them around invidually?`
`09:04.25`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`unlock them, move them, there's even differnt display options.`
`09:04.34`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Hmm. Not sure about individually or not.`
`09:04.45`	`Sparhawke`	`no you cannot`
`09:04.47`	`Sparhawke`	`there are display options`
`09:04.53`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`I turned off Relic buttons and used the vertical alignment, they work nice with Squeenix.`
`09:04.54`	`Sparhawke`	`left, far left, right , far right etc`
`09:05.14`	`Sparhawke`	`but cant move them around individually`
`09:05.20`	`Sparhawke`	`I also reallya don't like the summon menu`
`09:05.47`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`I don't like having to have the summon menu. I used to have all the summons I actually used on a Sprocket menu.`
`09:06.08`	`Sparhawke`	`ah`
`09:06.08`	`KarlThePagan`	`micro-embed bitlib functions - http://ace.pastey.net/3847`
`09:06.09`	`kebinusan`	`yeah ZOAS me too`
`09:06.37`	`KarlThePagan`	`(of course replace :embed if you ace2-iffy it)`
`09:06.39`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Sprocket freed up soooo much screen space/button/other addon usage for me.`
`09:06.39`	`Sparhawke`	`also I dont like how the chat text ("I am summoning X. Please assist.") comes up only when the portal actually opens`
`09:06.47`	`KarlThePagan`	`I think I'll make it a mixin`
`09:06.48`	`Sparhawke`	`I like to warn other warlocks as soon as I've decided to summon someone`
`09:06.52`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`You can turn that off, Sparhawke.`
`09:06.59`	`Sparhawke`	`no I like it`
`09:07.07`	`Sparhawke`	`but I want it to say it as soon as I start casting`
`09:07.15`	`Sparhawke`	`like the old Shard Tracker used to do`
`09:07.17`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`I think there's a pre-summon message option for that? I could be wrong.`
`09:07.28`	`KarlThePagan`	`Kaelten, around?`
`09:08.02`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Besides, I still use the summon macro I've used since like 1.5 or so for summons.`
`09:08.03`	`Sparhawke`	`well I havent foundi t`
`09:08.15`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`and just turned off the messages in shardace entirely.`
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`09:09.35`	`Sparhawke`	`also, no bindings for shardace`
`09:09.38`	`Sparhawke`	`whats up with that`
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`09:12.31`	`naenee`	`oki, I'll keep searching. Thanks for the replies though.`
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`09:12.50`	`vhaarr`	`naenee: Just hide it yourself.`
`09:12.59`	`KarlThePagan`	`bah bug in above http://ace.pastey.net/3848`
`09:13.00`	`vhaarr`	`Hover it, /print GetMouseFocus() and hide it.`
`09:13.08`	`Silviu-`	`ZealotOnAStick u can trade`
`09:13.16`	`Silviu-`	`ZealotOnAStick Middle button :)`
`09:13.30`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Middle button is my Vent binding. :/`
`09:13.35`	`Silviu-`	`:/`
`09:13.48`	`Dhraga`	`regarding shardace, it have healthstone trading on middle mousebutton.`
`09:13.51`	`Silviu-`	`Btw u have any reseduce, macro/addon ? ;)`
`09:14.04`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Ahh, hold on.`
`09:14.11`	`Dhraga`	`doh!....<-- slow typer today :)`
`09:15.03`	`Sparhawke`	`how about bindings`
`09:15.15`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=49506792&sid=1`
`09:15.32`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`try that for a bunch of useful 2.0 lock macros.`
`09:15.50`	`Silviu-`	`thank u ZealotOnAStick`
`09:16.07`	`Silviu-`	`Oh i just was here`
`09:16.25`	`DrZoot`	`does lua have a square root function? math.sqrt?`
`09:16.32`	`Sparhawke`	`those macros are great`
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`09:19.37`	`Worf`	`Sigh. Player Skill in WoW2 basically scales with ones ability to bind and remember huge numbers of keybindings`
`09:21.33`	`a-stray-cat`	`is there an easy way to pop up a box saying "Are you sure you want to do this?"`
`09:21.44`	`vhaarr`	`yes`
`09:21.48`	`a-stray-cat`	`Worf: there are other skills?`
`09:22.00`	`a-stray-cat`	`vhaarr: how please? :3`
`09:22.06`	`Iceroth`	`i must be a stupid user but how on earth can i add stuff to henge?`
`09:22.10`	`vhaarr`	`a-stray-cat: StaticPopupDialogs`
`09:22.12`	`Worf`	`a-stray-cat: well, according to the history books: yes. in WoW1 ...`
`09:22.28`	`a-stray-cat`	`WoW1 skill == gear?`
`09:22.38`	`[Ammo]`	`morning`
`09:22.40`	`Worf`	`that too`
`09:22.41`	`a-stray-cat`	`'lo`
`09:22.45`	`vhaarr`	`morning ammo`
`09:22.48`	`a-stray-cat`	`it certainly wasn't twitch`
`09:22.51`	`a-stray-cat`	`twitch is not a wow skill`
`09:23.16`	`a-stray-cat`	`hey ammo, is there a way to reset the gradients on an already created bar? or should i just re-register it?`
`09:23.39`	`Worf`	`hmm - i gotta try if i can bind the left mouse button to some makro.. or at least shift+mouse1 and ctrl+mouse1 ...`
`09:23.50`	`a-stray-cat`	`vhaarr: thanks, ill look into that`
`09:26.51`	`Mikma`	`<0625> <CIA-17> funkydude * r21638 cyCircled/ (cyCircled.toc plugins/Bartender2.lua): cyCircled: add opt deps, remove bartender2 plugin ... why did he do that`
`09:27.11`	`vhaarr`	`o_O`
`09:27.13`	`vhaarr`	`Why indeed.`
`09:27.16`	`vhaarr`	`I use BT2 :(`
`09:27.52`	`Arrowmaster`	`bt2 still works?`
`09:28.24`	`Mikma`	`yes, not for shapeshifters but for others`
`09:29.02`	`vhaarr`	`http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=3662`
`09:29.14`	`vhaarr`	`Authors post please.`
`09:30.00`	`Mikma`	`why? :O`
`09:30.08`	`vhaarr`	`Why not?`
`09:30.44`	`a-stray-cat`	`my holiday is being spent writing addons, since my laptop is powerful enough to run wow, but not play it :P`
`09:31.01`	`a-stray-cat`	`and eating lots and lots of food.`
`09:31.20`	`Iceroth`	`meh, wall walking is not working`
`09:31.54`	`Worf`	`vhaarr: for me it would be a "i plan to go on \"holiday\" from this day to that day, but i know that what i'm planning will fail and everything will turn out other than expected"`
`09:32.54`	`vhaarr`	`Worf: What addons do you devel at wowace?`
`09:33.20`	`DrZoot`	`ok im missing something fundamental here, how can "delta > -1" be true when delta is -0.000362`
`09:34.26`	`vhaarr`	`Worf: Didn't you make all those CC things?`
`09:34.30`	`Worf`	`vhaarr: nothing of importance. i had done this: http://www.wowace.com/wiki/CC_Core - but 2 of them are not possible with WoW2, one is obsolete, and the remaining... well, still some problems with the new api...`
`09:34.34`	`Worf`	`exactely`
`09:35.06`	`vhaarr`	`I've never tried any of them for some reason.`
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`09:35.25`	`andremar`	`DrZoot: because -0.00000362 is bigger than -1?`
`09:35.44`	`Worf`	`vhaarr: well, now you don't need to anymore... :D`
`09:36.10`	`andremar`	`DrZoot: if you want to compare the number, you need to do abs() on both sides`
`09:36.24`	`DrZoot`	`andremar: hrmm, well its official then, im a retard. cheers :D`
`09:36.25`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`negative fractional bit whatever there is less negative than -1, thus greater than.`
`09:36.31`	`CIA-17`	`03mikma * r21666 10cyCircled/plugins/Bartender2.lua: cyCircled: Adding Bartender2 module back in, the addon still works for non-stance characters`
`09:37.15`	`abbat_w`	`ckk, are you here?`
`09:37.23`	`Mikma`	`Iceroth: walljumping is working, wallwalking ain't :)`
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`09:37.38`	`Iceroth`	`ah`
`09:38.11`	`Worf`	`hmm... i gotta find out how to properly add a entry to the unitpopup menue... this still doesn't work as it should... does one know a addon i could look at which does mess with that menue? ( you know, the right click menue on unitframes and playernames in chat)`
`09:38.15`	`abbat_w`	`It is possible to split cartographer in 2 parts. Code and maps. WAU sometimes dl cartographer and produce an error while dl`
`09:38.28`	`abbat_w`	`I think because maps have big size`
`09:38.32`	`vhaarr`	`Iceroth: The idol slot, is that the ammo slot?`
`09:38.40`	`Mikma`	`abbat_w: no`
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`09:39.21`	`abbat_w`	`Why? Are maps changes often?`
`09:39.25`	`xgravix`	`what is wall jumping`
`09:39.41`	`vhaarr`	`It's what walls do when they're bored.`
`09:39.59`	`vhaarr`	`~wallhack`
`09:40.16`	`Mikma`	`abbat_w: no they don't change often. and you're propably the only one having that problem. use http://www.wowace.om/files :)`
`09:40.16`	`Mikma`	`~headshot`
`09:40.19`	`Kaelten`	`well its my estimate that during the month of dec so far people have been running wowaceupdater more than 10k times a day`
`09:40.20`	`Arrowmaster`	`that little trick that everybody does in diremaul west at the top of the stairs`
`09:40.31`	`Kaelten`	`that being an avg`
`09:40.46`	`abbat_w`	`Mikma, problem is WAU delete folder with cartographer and don't dl new version ;)`
`09:40.55`	`abbat_w`	`I dl manual sure`
`09:41.00`	`Mikma`	`abbat_w: don't use shit like that`
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`09:41.11`	`abbat_w`	`It's not shit btw ;)`
`09:41.13`	`Kaelten`	`err take that back more than 18k times`
`09:41.29`	`Mikma`	`abbat_w: if it don't work = shit`
`09:41.43`	`abbat_w`	`99% ppl use aced addons because they have very comfortable update system`
`09:41.57`	`andremar`	`Kaelten: I can think of a few ways to reduce the number of requests WAU needs to make atleast. It wont reduce the bandwith usage much though, so if thats the main concern, it wont benefit much`
`09:42.04`	`Mikma`	`and you're the 1% that has the problems`
`09:42.13`	`Mikma`	`that means you should propably use the files from www.wowace.com/files`
`09:42.17`	`abbat_w`	`It's not a problem for me, i can dl manual`
`09:42.26`	`Kaelten`	`andremar: we're still in the green on bandwith atm :)`
`09:42.28`	shaq`emo	`I don't have this problem, btw`
`09:42.37`	`Mikma`	`Cartographer is fine. stop bitching`
`09:42.43`	`abbat_w`	`Sure, fine`
`09:42.50`	shaq`emo	`stop crying don't be emo bitch like me`
`09:42.51`	`Kaelten`	`although lets hope it doesn't grow too much before I can do a few things :)`
`09:42.53`	`andremar`	`Kaelten: ok :) well, the idea is to basicly generate a better index-file for WAU to use when the script that generates zip-files run`
`09:43.06`	`abbat_w`	`I use it fully satisfied`
`09:43.16`	`abbat_w`	shaq`emo, stfu please
`09:43.19`	`andremar`	`that way WAU can fetch one file (which is better than descript.ion) and use that to know what the latest version etc is`
`09:43.24`	`Mikma`	`no, he has a point`
`09:43.27`	`andremar`	`without having to fetch latest.txt from each addon`
`09:43.31`	`xgravix`	`love the new cart feature that puts stuff you ask guards for on the map`
`09:43.38`	`xgravix`	`awesome. pure awesome.`
`09:43.39`	`Kaelten`	`andremar: actually that would be helpful, pprovost is open to using better methods we just havn't gotten one written yet`
`09:43.45`	`Mikma`	`xgravix: umh, that's game feature?`
`09:43.58`	`andremar`	`Kaelten: coolio, I'll try to hook up with him about it then`
`09:43.59`	`xgravix`	`yea, but cart saves it`
`09:44.07`	`Kaelten`	`andremar :)`
`09:44.12`	`abbat_w`	`Mikma, he has nothing. He just bloody russian as me and just catch out me ;)`
`09:44.13`	`Mikma`	`oh ok then, that's nice`
`09:44.28`	`Mikma`	abbat_w: he still has a point. <shaq`emo> stop crying don't be emo bitch like me
`09:45.17`	`abbat_w`	`Ok, my point is this: if you change one string in cartographer code you need to download about 4mb. 3.9mb is just maps which don't changes and 100kb is code`
`09:45.24`	`abbat_w`	`This is the point`
`09:45.39`	`Mikma`	`so, that tells me WAU is for retards`
`09:45.45`	`Mikma`	`svn does not have that problem`
`09:46.04`	`abbat_w`	`Are tortoise dl only code?`
`09:46.05`	`nuOHEP`	`ck isworking on a "mapless" cart`
`09:46.45`	`nuOHEP`	`it dls only changed files`
`09:46.47`	`andremar`	`abbat_w: svn only updates files that have changed`
`09:47.22`	shaq`emo	`abbat keep crying :)`
`09:47.39`	`abbat_w`	shaq`emo, keep silence please.
`09:47.57`	`nymbia`	`Mikma: as far as the server's stability goes, svn updates are far more harsh on it than WAU.`
`09:48.13`	`Mikma`	`nymbia: atleast with externals. --ignore-externals <3`
`09:48.15`	shaq`emo	`don't say me what to do pls`
`09:48.26`	`Mikma`	`YAY`
`09:48.38`	`abbat_w`	shaq`emo, say this to yourself first, ok?
`09:48.40`	`Mikma`	abbat_w and shaq`emo are going to start throwing polarbears at each other
`09:48.48`	shaq`emo	`rue`
`09:48.51`	shaq`emo	`tru`
`09:48.52`	`nymbia`	`Mikma: even with ignore set, svn updates are a heavier traffic load.`
`09:49.03`	`abbat_w`	Mikma, btw, shaq`emo is the guy which told me about discord mods ;)
`09:49.17`	`Mikma`	`abbat_w: and you listened. that makes you a noob ;D`
`09:49.18`	shaq`emo	`discord is shit sry :)`
`09:49.41`	`haarm`	`well I wouldn't say it's shit, it just eats memory like it's going out of fashion`
`09:49.46`	`abbat_w`	`Mikma, and I told him about aced addons and update system ;)`
`09:49.51`	`haarm`	`nice concept, just a little heavy`
`09:50.01`	`Mikma`	`"little"`
`09:50.07`	shaq`emo	`:)`
`09:50.19`	shaq`emo	`only little question mark`
`09:50.42`	shaq`emo	`ace system > discrodia`
`09:51.23`	`Iceroth`	`is it possible to set underline to font?`
`09:51.32`	`haarm`	`don't think so Iceroth`
`09:51.34`	`Mikma`	`yes xD`
`09:51.49`	`Iceroth`	`~slap Mikma`
`09:51.50`	`purl`	`ACTION slaps Mikma, keep your grubby fingers to yourself!`
`09:52.23`	`Mikma`	`oooooh, you touch my shalalala`
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`09:52.47`	`Iceroth`	`~kickban Mikma`
`09:53.00`	`Iceroth`	`:(`
`09:53.02`	`Mikma`	`~whaleshield Mikma`
`09:53.17`	`Mikma`	`too bad it doesn't exist`
`09:53.26`	`abbat_w`	`Oh Mikma, can i ask you as addon expert ;) It is possible to set alpha on focus frame in combat?`
`09:53.45`	`Mikma`	`dunno`
`09:53.48`	`Mikma`	`what's focus frame ;)`
`09:54.00`	`abbat_w`	`I found focus system is fery useful and start using it with macro system`
`09:54.38`	`abbat_w`	`But if i have macro like /cats [target=focus,harm] Polymorph; Polymorh and have focus which are out of range my macro won't work`
`09:54.49`	`Mikma`	`<enter focusframe here>:SetAlpha(0,5)`
`09:54.56`	`Mikma`	`that way you know`
`09:55.09`	`Iceroth`	`setalpha doesn't take 2 arguments ;)`
`09:55.21`	`Mikma`	`.,.,.,.`
`09:55.23`	`abbat_w`	`Maybe it is wrong way but i want to try use transparency on focus frame in my agUF if focus target out of range (30 yards)`
`09:57.58`	`vhaarr`	`sylvanaar: http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=3663.0;topicseen Prat module candidate?`
`09:58.52`	`Iceroth`	`sounds good to me`
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`10:06.40`	`abbat_w`	`Heh, and Ammo told me how to remove yellow label 'MainTank' above MT frame ;)`
`10:10.29`	`CIA-17`	`03rabbit 07Rabbit * r21667 10FuBar_GroupFu/GroupFu.lua: FuBar_GroupFu: Only announce if the option is on :P`
`10:11.08`	`zoktar`	`does wow have a volume controll somewhere for played external audio files?`
`10:11.52`	`Ordog`	`not by default zoktar`
`10:12.12`	`Ordog`	`there are addons available for that`
`10:12.22`	`zoktar`	`yeah? u know one ?`
`10:12.36`	`KarlThePagan`	`I thought PlaySoundFile just used the master volume`
`10:12.43`	`KarlThePagan`	`is there a cvar for it?`
`10:13.14`	`zoktar`	`im using comix addon wich has external sounds, but turning down wow sounds to 0 and master to 0 still plays those sounds extreamly lod`
`10:13.16`	`zoktar`	`loud`
`10:13.44`	`KarlThePagan`	`ick`
`10:17.46`	`abbat_w`	`btw nymbia ;) blizzard won't make enchants looks nice ;) and no patch was released ;)`
`10:18.10`	`nymbia`	`huhwha? i'm confused.`
`10:18.18`	`abbat_w`	`i mean "+30 spelldamage" or something else ;)`
`10:18.42`	`nymbia`	`ah`
`10:19.11`	`abbat_w`	`maybe i was wrong but you say about small and pretty nice addon which have ability to recolor enchants on you equipment ;)`
`10:19.50`	`nymbia`	`i was thinking of doing some sort of addon that condensed all the tooltip's data`
`10:20.11`	`abbat_w`	`it's be very nice ;)`
`10:20.30`	`zoktar`	`Ordog u know any addon that does that ?`
`10:20.49`	`Ordog`	`that data is currently not available in realtime`
`10:20.52`	`Ordog`	`^^`
`10:20.52`	`vhaarr`	`abbat_w: You overload my IRC client with smilies, dude, take it easy :P`
`10:21.17`	`Elkano`	`~^_^~`
`10:21.19`	`abbat_w`	`hmm.. you right. ok`
`10:22.20`	`kebinusan`	`Yea there is one called enchant recolor or something`
`10:23.33`	`kebinusan`	`So is sprocket just not possible in wow2.0?`
`10:23.46`	`kebinusan`	`I miss that addon`
`10:23.56`	`vhaarr`	`It's possible.`
`10:24.19`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`As I understand it, it'll take almost a complete rewrite.`
`10:24.33`	`kebinusan`	`ah bummer`
`10:24.39`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`There's supposedly some piemenu or radial slice bits or something.`
`10:24.40`	`vhaarr`	`Just like any other bar mod.`
`10:25.14`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`What I'm curious about is if it'd work on-demand to pop up stuff in combat and still be able to use it or not.`
`10:25.59`	`CIA-17`	`03iceroth * r21668 10IceHUD/ (IceHUD.toc modules/PlayerHealth.lua): IceHUD: When resting, PlayerHealth absolute value goes white`
`10:26.26`	`kebinusan`	`Id just like something to condense all the things I dont use very often, mostly pet summons`
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`10:31.05`	`Soulless`	`ZealotOnAStick: you taken a look at henge?`
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`10:33.11`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Never did like the Necrosis-like model of things. I've looked at Henge, but much prefer the Sprocket "be hidden and only pop up when I want you to pop up and then go away again" method.`
`10:34.32`	Nargiddley`	`the header is there to support that type of menu, not sure if theres anything using it yet`
`10:39.18`	`[Ammo]`	`henge is using it partly`
`10:39.23`	`[Ammo]`	`check the mage henge`
`10:39.30`	`[Ammo]`	`it pops up submenu's from the buttons around henge`
`10:39.34`	`[Ammo]`	`for portals and teleports`
`10:39.56`	`abbat_w`	`Heh`
`10:40.07`	`abbat_w`	`Looks like replace for non working mimimage`
`10:40.27`	`abbat_w`	`This is one addon which i miss in wow2.0`
`10:44.22`	`sylvanaar`	`vhaarr: ah, yeah - it is proably a good prat module, prat needs a little refactor soon though - dont know which will come first.`
`10:45.07`	`Soulless`	`ZealotOnAStick: ahh sorry, i'm unfamiler with sprocket, i assumed they were of the same nature`
`10:45.11`	`kebinusan`	`ah I looked at henge but I guess the warlock module isnt as complete as the mage one`
`10:45.42`	`Soulless`	`has it been updated? it was just portals last time i checked`
`10:45.51`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Soulless, did you ever play the first Neverwinter Nights?`
`10:45.59`	`Soulless`	`actually i did`
`10:46.09`	`Soulless`	`it was a while back`
`10:46.10`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`You remember the radial selection menu?`
`10:46.18`	`Soulless`	`i got to like 16 or 17`
`10:46.20`	`Soulless`	`hmmm`
`10:46.27`	`Soulless`	`not off the top of my head, got a SS?`
`10:46.50`	`kebinusan`	`http://www.wowace.com/index.php/Sprocket`
`10:47.33`	`Soulless`	`ahhh`
`10:47.34`	`Soulless`	`yeah`
`10:47.41`	`Soulless`	`i do remember that`
`10:47.55`	`Soulless`	`it was ok, cept it had a lot of submenus sometimes which made it a pain`
`10:47.57`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`That kind of a menu, 8 buttons per, with submenus doable . . . that's on-demand. Not on screen unless you hit a keybinding or click on a specified frame.`
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`10:48.14`	`Soulless`	`yeah, that looks cool`
`10:48.21`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Though it did have a center necrosis/henge-like button you could keep on screen if you wished.`
`10:48.37`	`Soulless`	`honestly, necrosis worked fine for me`
`10:48.39`	`Soulless`	`BUT`
`10:48.45`	`Soulless`	`it was very poorly written`
`10:48.55`	`kebinusan`	`it still is it seems :-(`
`10:49.04`	`Soulless`	`it had a assload of memory leaks, as did cryolysis`
`10:49.28`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`The beauty of Sprocket was not only in how it worked (with some practice, it was VERY fast to use), but that you could define whatever you wanted on all the buttons, the keybinds, etc.`
`10:49.42`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`It'd support scripts and macros on the buttons, as well as items, spells, had options for their use, etc.`
`10:49.44`	`Soulless`	`the mage version (cryo....something i can't spell) prob added 10-15 mebs of mem, and was around 60 increasing all the time`
`10:49.55`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Cryolysis`
`10:50.03`	`Soulless`	`you want my idea for a mod was`
`10:50.13`	`Soulless`	`ok, whos played tribes 2`
`10:50.28`	`Iceroth`	`tribes ftw`
`10:50.29`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Years ago.`
`10:50.29`	`Soulless`	`i want a mod, with a menu similer to the voice menu of tribes 2`
`10:50.59`	`Soulless`	`like if i wanted to say good game in tribes two, youcould do like 5 keystrokes and that was it`
`10:51.11`	`Soulless`	`v v v g was good game or something`
`10:51.25`	`Soulless`	`it was stupid simple, yet extremely powerful`
`10:51.27`	`kebinusan`	`oh I loved tribes`
`10:51.38`	`Soulless`	`i want a mod that lets me do that`
`10:51.45`	`Soulless`	`but with actions`
`10:51.51`	`kebinusan`	`there is one like that`
`10:51.55`	`kebinusan`	`I saw it the other day`
`10:51.57`	`naenee`	`I loved tribes too :)`
`10:52.25`	`Soulless`	`i still play tribes2 cuz it imo is the best ctf gameplay of any game todate`
`10:52.38`	`Soulless`	`tribes: vengance can diaf`
`10:52.57`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`I'm rather fond of SiNCTF, but that was ever a niche game.`
`10:52.58`	`Iceroth`	`tribes 1 rocked the world, when 2 came out my comp was a bit meh and it didn't run so smooth, once i got around updating it, it was a bit out of fashion already, 3 somehow didn't feel like the same game anymore`
`10:53.10`	`markv`	`i miss the beginning couple of months of tribes 1`
`10:53.21`	`markv`	`before people knew how to ski to spots`
`10:53.32`	`Soulless`	`tribes 1 was great,m don't get me wrong, but it was pretty unbalanced`
`10:53.46`	`Soulless`	`too offensive`
`10:53.47`	`markv`	`i remember getting a heavy up in to the map with the 2 floating bases and my friend ran around with a repair pack and kept me alive while we were in their base mortaring the crap out of them`
`10:53.50`	`kebinusan`	`http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info6125-DynamicsChat.html`
`10:54.15`	`markv`	`i had to mortar jump to get up in to there but goddamn it was so funny`
`10:54.23`	`kebinusan`	`I loved Defend and Destroy in T2`
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`10:54.32`	`Soulless`	`holy shit kebinusan ty`
`10:54.41`	`Soulless`	`hmmm`
`10:54.45`	`Gngsk`	`Who wants to update a toc for me?`
`10:54.50`	`Soulless`	`you couldn't do that for actions could you?`
`10:55.20`	`kebinusan`	`Gngsk: just a toc update? for what`
`10:55.26`	`Gngsk`	`FinderReminder`
`10:55.29`	`Gngsk`	`there's an error`
`10:55.32`	`Soulless`	`i don't care about in-combat, it'd just be for those 30-40 buttons i use once or twice a day that don't need to be on my screen`
`10:55.37`	`Gngsk`	`the Babble-SPell entry is missing ".lua" at the end`
`10:55.50`	`Gngsk`	`I'm sure Tem wouldn't mind such a small fix :)`
`10:56.03`	`kebinusan`	`one sec`
`10:56.40`	`Soulless`	`like with discord, i had 4 entire action bars which were hidden until i pushed a toggle key`
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`10:57.22`	`CIA-17`	`03kebinusan * r21669 10FinderReminder/FinderReminder.toc: FinderReminder: Added missing .lua in toc`
`10:57.32`	`Gngsk`	`thx`
`10:59.39`	`Fisker-`	`with the av weekend do you also get double horde/alliance faction rep(not frostwolf/stormpike)?`
`10:59.39`	`kebinusan`	`The one thing that drew me to tribes over other game was the lack of one shot one kill that CS and quake started doing`
`10:59.48`	`kebinusan`	`Fisker-: sadly no`
`10:59.54`	`kebinusan`	`no Exodar exalted for you!`
`11:00.05`	`Fisker-`	`i agree`
`11:00.07`	`Fisker-`	`cause i'm horde`
`11:00.12`	`xgravix`	`tribes seemed more like real skill and less like the best aimbot wins`
`11:00.30`	`kebinusan`	`yeah, you could really do alot with strategy in that game`
`11:00.45`	`kebinusan`	`although shocklance was oneshot one kill IIRC`
`11:01.01`	`kebinusan`	`but you had to be right on top of the person`
`11:01.38`	`zoktar`	`anyone know a addon that can change volume of external sounds ?`
`11:02.00`	`kebinusan`	`I just liked the more objective based combat, take out the enemy sensors and generators to cripple their defenses and offense`
`11:02.11`	`Soulless`	`zoktar: don't think that would be possible`
`11:02.33`	`Soulless`	`kebinusan: i agree, you had to work to kill people`
`11:02.48`	`Soulless`	`plus you can fly, thats such an amazing ability to give to dogfighting`
`11:04.20`	`xgravix`	`skiing FTW`
`11:04.23`	`kebinusan`	`Some people really started to do some unique gameplay with T2, There was one map I remember called Convoy, you had to escort a convoy of 3 mobile bases (driven by players) to the far end of the map while the other team tried to find and destroy them`
`11:04.38`	`Soulless`	`yeah`
`11:04.47`	`Soulless`	`it was such a well designed game`
`11:05.15`	`kebinusan`	`Heavy D 4tw`
`11:05.22`	`Soulless`	`the ammount of combos you could do with another play, sensor jammer + elf gun, were limitless`
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`11:05.46`	`kebinusan`	`targeting laser + mortar`
`11:06.08`	`Soulless`	`targeting laser + rocket launcher`
`11:06.11`	`kebinusan`	`heh`
`11:06.14`	`Soulless`	`bomberruns`
`11:06.16`	`Soulless`	`mmmmmm`
`11:06.32`	`kebinusan`	`yeah, they really put alot of thought into balance in that game`
`11:06.40`	`Soulless`	`cloakpack + shocklance`
`11:06.50`	`Soulless`	`yeh`
`11:06.57`	`Fisker-`	`hmm`
`11:07.00`	`Fisker-`	`tribes you say?`
`11:07.02`	`Fisker-`	`:O`
`11:07.04`	`Soulless`	`fyi i'm a spinfusor god`
`11:07.09`	`Soulless`	`t2`
`11:07.19`	`kebinusan`	`midair spinfusor`
`11:07.21`	`CIA-17`	`03schelli 07Schelli * r21670 10IceHUD/ (9 files in 2 dirs): IceHUD : implemented some changes from original author`
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`11:07.57`	`Soulless`	`Tool gains 5 points for a mid-air Spinfusor from 52m away!!`
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`11:09.05`	`Worf`	`i'm wondering... how do you xheal-people now heal the raid? using klick target and heal? or maybe some "/cast [target=mouseover] imbaheal" makros? or something totally different?`
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`11:09.10`	`kebinusan`	`<PROTECTED>`
`11:09.20`	`kebinusan`	`the maps were massive`
`11:09.26`	`vhaarr`	`Worf: Clique works fine.`
`11:09.35`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`I'm fond of Grid + Clique`
`11:09.42`	`kebinusan`	`^^^ same`
`11:10.01`	`Soulless`	`worf you can still click ehal, what can't do it have an emergency monitor style window where you can just click in the same spot and it'll find who needs healing`
`11:10.02`	`kebinusan`	`but yes you can do what you're saying worf`
`11:10.04`	`Worf`	`hmm... maybe i should have a look at clique... i had the impression there are not enough modifyers... :)`
`11:10.07`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`that reminds me, when did the curse explosion bar for Noth go into Bigwigs?`
`11:10.17`	`vhaarr`	`After 2.0.`
`11:10.21`	`kebinusan`	`<PROTECTED>`
`11:10.51`	`Worf`	`i currently have all my heal and decurse skills in makros ... with lots of conditions`
`11:10.55`	`vhaarr`	`Iceroth: PING PING PING`
`11:11.07`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`had to have been within the last week? I found it sort of fun, watching it tick down and waiting to see if all the curse icons were going to poof from grid while I was DPSing my skeletons.`
`11:11.29`	`vhaarr`	`ZealotOnAStick: yes, it was recently.`
`11:12.13`	`Worf`	`mostly like "heal mouseover, if that is a enemy then heal targettarget. if holding ctrl, heal the primary target or targets target, if holding shift, heal focus or focustarget....`
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`11:13.34`	`Worf`	`and my "/cast [target=mouseover] petgrowl" was quite fun too`
`11:13.36`	`Soulless`	`if i do a series of nested loops/if statments and do a local declaration in one of the inner loops, is it local only to that loop? or the entire function?`
`11:13.48`	`Iceroth`	`vhaarr, whaa?`
`11:14.18`	`vhaarr`	`!google lua pil scope`
`11:14.24`	`GoogleSearch`	`Programming in Lua : 4.2 ( http://www.lua.org/pil/4.2.html )`
`11:14.29`	`vhaarr`	`Iceroth: Is the Idol slot the same as the ammo slot, essentially?`
`11:14.49`	`kebinusan`	`ranged slot not the ammo one`
`11:14.56`	`vhaarr`	`oh`
`11:14.57`	`Iceroth`	`how can i check?`
`11:15.02`	`MoonWolf`	`amo slot ataches to the ranged slot.`
`11:15.03`	`Iceroth`	`ah, ok`
`11:15.32`	`Worf`	`btw - any other hunters here who could tell me how good or bad they use their pets as tanks now?`
`11:16.36`	`Gngsk`	`http://web.telia.com/~u96003206/tjoho/Anubpet.jpg`
`11:16.41`	`Gngsk`	`nerf pets`
`11:17.10`	`Worf`	`lol`
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`11:17.43`	`Worf`	`ok - this totally fits in my http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=3660.0 post`
`11:18.40`	`Fisker-`	`oooh`
`11:18.42`	`Fisker-`	`only 1500 rep`
`11:18.46`	`Fisker-`	`then i'm revered with silvermoon`
`11:19.04`	`naenee`	`Does anyone have a screenshot of ElfReloaded?`
`11:19.42`	`CIA-17`	`03rabbit * r21671 10ClosetGnome/ClosetGnome.lua: ClosetGnome: Support swapping the ranged/idol slot in combat.`
`11:19.44`	`vhaarr`	`Iceroth: Try now.`
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`11:21.40`	`Worf`	`Gngsk: but why nerf pets? my hunter is so fragile now since the patch, so the pet needs to be more robust! :)`
`11:22.20`	`Iceroth`	`vhaarr, yep, seems to work, ty`
`11:22.26`	`vhaarr`	`good`
`11:23.03`	`Silviu-`	`Anyone heard of an evil rabbit wandering around ? :P`
`11:23.06`	`Laricwork`	`anybody remembers where that wow cartoon series is.. the one with the party incl the weirdo priest?`
`11:23.55`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`with the insane dwarf and the little gnome chinese farmbot rogue?`
`11:24.16`	`Laricwork`	`yeps thats the one`
`11:24.20`	`Laricwork`	`lost the link`
`11:25.25`	`Iceroth`	`vhaarr, i have 2 sets that i've set the Switcher to change based on cat/bear form and the set contains only the idol - which now swaps - is it still supposed to say "In Combat: <set> queued for swap."?`
`11:25.42`	`vhaarr`	`Iceroth: No, it's not supposed to say that.`
`11:25.43`	`naenee`	`Laricwork: http://www.gamespy.com/articles/572/572326p1.html`
`11:26.16`	`Laricwork`	`thats the one.. thanks`
`11:26.32`	`naenee`	`the latest is http://pc.gamespy.com/articles/751/751688p1.html`
`11:26.35`	`naenee`	`enjoy :)`
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`11:28.49`	`Soulless`	`newx = (ptranslatex - 2(translatex))/3 is that not valid?`
`11:28.52`	`Laricwork`	`havent read it for months.. so I have some amusement ahead :P`
`11:28.55`	`CIA-17`	`03Heron * r21672 10FuBar_HerbTrackerFu/ (7 files): FuBar_HerbTrackerFu - added deDE, frFR, koKR, zhTW, esES clients support`
`11:30.33`	`naenee`	`:)`
`11:31.03`	`nymbia`	`what's herbtrackerfu?`
`11:32.06`	`Ordog`	`id be so lost without the wowaceupdater`
`11:32.28`	`kebinusan`	`It tracks herbs you have in the bank and on alts I think`
`11:32.46`	`Ordog`	`thank you for that piece of code`
`11:32.49`	`kebinusan`	`We need a bot to paste the description of mods from the toc`
`11:34.39`	`Fisker-`	`hoho`
`11:34.43`	`naenee`	`I think the description of mods area already in the toc`
`11:34.43`	`Fisker-`	`our server is bugged`
`11:34.51`	`Fisker-`	`tells us that our targets are unfriendly`
`11:34.55`	`Fisker-`	`when trying to send to them`
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`11:35.34`	`Silviu-`	`[2006/12/21 12:55:35-52-x1]: SpecialEvents-Aura-2.0-20687:196: table index is nil`
`11:35.43`	`Gngsk`	`Fisker-, same thing on my realm`
`11:36.09`	`xgravix`	`every hotfix they break at least one thing`
`11:36.15`	`kebinusan`	`naenee: I meant something like ~desc SomeModName and pull that info from the toc on the svn or something`
`11:36.20`	`Fisker-`	`ofc`
`11:37.00`	`Fisker-`	`i like spillover rep though`
`11:37.02`	`Fisker-`	`it's like`
`11:37.19`	`Fisker-`	`<Silvermoon City person>: Who the fuck is Fisker and why the fuck is he exalted with us???`
`11:37.49`	`nymbia`	`lol`
`11:37.50`	`vhaarr`	`Silviu-: eh, when do you get that?`
`11:38.00`	`vhaarr`	`lol fisk`
`11:38.38`	`naenee`	`kebinusan: ah okay.`
`11:39.36`	`Fisker-`	`btw with the pet tanking anub did they keep in locust swarm then?`
`11:39.42`	`Silviu-`	vhaarr don`t know in bg`s i got it
`11:39.49`	`vhaarr`	`Silviu-: Full stack?`
`11:39.52`	`Silviu-`	`yes`
`11:39.55`	`vhaarr`	`give`
`11:39.55`	`Silviu-`	`that is full`
`11:39.57`	`Silviu-`	`:/`
`11:39.58`	`vhaarr`	`eeh`
`11:40.09`	`Silviu-`	`Nothing else in it :)`
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`11:44.52`	`CIA-17`	`03rabbit * r21673 10SpecialEventsEmbed/SpecialEvents-Aura-2.0/SpecialEvents-Aura-2.0.lua: .SpecialEvents-Aura-2.0: Make sure to create the required tables.`
`11:44.56`	`kebinusan`	`Fisker-: pets tanking anub?`
`11:45.10`	`Silviu-`	`./hug vhaarr`
`11:45.26`	`vhaarr`	`Silviu-: I'm more concerned that it's hiding some other error.`
`11:45.30`	`vhaarr`	`but I guess we'll see`
`11:45.30`	`kebinusan`	`Getting this error this morning: 2006/12/21 06:45:02-486-x1]: AceAddon-2.0-21645 (FuBar):442: AceEvent-2.0: Cannot unregister event "ADDON_LOADED". "AceAddon" is not registered with it.`
`11:45.54`	`vhaarr`	`kebinusan: When?`
`11:47.54`	`kebinusan`	`when I load the game or reloadui`
`11:48.01`	`kebinusan`	`only occurs once`
`11:48.20`	`vhaarr`	`rofl http://pc.gamespy.com/articles/736/736421p1.html`
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`11:51.14`	`Silviu-`	`nice vhaarr ;))`
`11:51.23`	`vhaarr`	`working?`
`11:51.36`	`Silviu-`	`Was saying about that page u posted`
`11:51.40`	`vhaarr`	`ah ^^`
`11:51.46`	`Silviu-`	Dunno, i`m not in a bg atm :>
`11:52.20`	`nevcairiel`	`anyone remember that background image someone posted some time ago, with a blood elve and the text "who cares if i am addicted to magic" .. i cant find it again :D`
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`11:56.35`	`Dhraga`	`Nevcairiel, is the BT3 CD supporting the petbar yet ?`
`11:57.51`	`nevcairiel`	`try before you ask`
`11:58.12`	`Dhraga`	`<-- at work atm, and was curious ;)`
`11:58.26`	`nevcairiel`	`its in for at least a week now`
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`11:58.49`	`Dhraga`	`lol, thanks man, I'll kick that omniCD out then =)`
`12:01.57`	`phyber`	`I kept OmniCC, since when I tried the BT3 cooldown, it only applied to bars. and I like the numbers all over my inventory/charframe too ;)`
`12:02.24`	`Neebler`	`I use cooldowncount`
`12:02.28`	`xgravix`	`is gmail just a copy of ct-mailmod`
`12:02.41`	`xgravix`	`with the name changed`
`12:03.00`	`vhaarr`	`No, but it's supposed to look that way.`
`12:03.45`	`nevcairiel`	`oh, dotdeb php backports have the suhosin hardend patch now. nice.`
`12:05.25`	`xgravix`	`sound good, i like ace2 mod`
`12:05.37`	`phyber`	`nevcairiel: I moved our webserver here onto a Xen virtual machine. since it will mean a nice quick recovery if/when the php gets owned.`
`12:06.28`	`DrZoot`	`What are the requirements for ace svn access?`
`12:06.29`	`nevcairiel`	`my debian is broken tho.`
`12:06.46`	`Kaelten`	`phyber: what server is that?`
`12:06.56`	`nevcairiel`	`apt-get upgrade wants to update gzip, but it cannot becaue gzip is used in that process.`
`12:06.57`	`nevcairiel`	`weird stuff`
`12:07.11`	`phyber`	`Kaelten: you mean what hardware is in the server or..?`
`12:07.15`	`DrZoot`	`That was a poorly worded question, I meant how do I go about getting svn access not what software etc do I need`
`12:07.17`	`Kaelten`	`whats on the server?`
`12:07.20`	`Kaelten`	`just curious`
`12:07.23`	`Kaelten`	`:)`
`12:07.33`	`phyber`	`oh, company website, etc.`
`12:07.33`	`Kaelten`	`DrZoot: commit access?`
`12:07.37`	`vhaarr`	`DrZoot: http://www.wowace.com/wiki/SVN_Rules`
`12:07.37`	`Kaelten`	`ah cool`
`12:07.48`	`haarm`	`nevcairiel, doesn't make sense, you've always been able to move nix binaries around after they're loaded into memory`
`12:07.49`	`DrZoot`	`Kaelten: Yes, eventually`
`12:08.02`	`nevcairiel`	`haarm: i know, but debian complains`
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`12:08.09`	`Kaelten`	`DrZoot: vhaarr beat me to the link`
`12:10.06`	`Tornhoof`	`i guess it's more a security complain`
`12:14.42`	`nevcairiel`	`Kaelten: which php opcode cache do you run now? i still need to decide which i want :)`
`12:14.42`	`Fisker-`	`1000 rep then revered with teh silvermoon`
`12:15.22`	`Kaelten`	`nevcairiel: xcache`
`12:15.39`	`Kaelten`	`has been doing us better than eccelerator`
`12:16.12`	`Kaelten`	`tried to setup squid caching on the front end but we couldn't do it :(`
`12:16.59`	`phyber`	`squid is great.`
`12:17.10`	`nevcairiel`	`hm xcache is in debian unstable`
`12:17.25`	`Kaelten`	`ya, but mediawiki's suport relies on Varies Cookie`
`12:17.32`	`Kaelten`	`which the intellitxt ads mess up`
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`12:18.13`	`haarm`	`[2006/12/21 12:17:25-72-x1]: SpecialEvents-Aura-2.0-r20687:196: table index is nil`
`12:18.27`	`vhaarr`	`I think I fixed that 5 minutes ago.`
`12:18.33`	`haarm`	`:P`
`12:18.39`	`haarm`	`occurred when switching BGs`
`12:18.53`	`kebinusan`	`~seen CIA-17`
`12:19.16`	`purl`	`cia-17 is currently on #wowace. Has said a total of 85 messages. Is idling for 34m 24s, last said: '03rabbit * r21673 10SpecialEventsEmbed/SpecialEvents-Aura-2.0/SpecialEvents-Aura-2.0.lua: .SpecialEvents-Aura-2.0: Make sure to create the required tables.'.`
`12:19.44`	`haarm`	`yes yes I can scroll up, updated after I downloaded which was before I started playing which was about 10 mins ago`
`12:21.20`	`vhaarr`	`haarm: So you have that fix, then?`
`12:21.41`	`haarm`	`not unless I download and reload`
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`12:22.03`	`vhaarr`	`34m 24s`
`12:22.19`	`nevcairiel`	`Kaelten: have you ever tried APC ?`
`12:22.29`	`Kaelten`	`APC? hrm,`
`12:22.41`	`Kaelten`	`clad probably tried it while he was setting everything up`
`12:22.52`	`Kaelten`	`before I switched us to xcache we where using ecellerator(sp?)`
`12:22.55`	`nevcairiel`	`its referenced in the php documentation as the kinda official opcode cache`
`12:23.03`	`odt`	`anyone know if blizzard has addressed the option to dl and pay for TBC in account management?`
`12:23.08`	`haarm`	`10mins 34mins.. who knows when you're in battlegrounds`
`12:23.45`	`odt`	`or is it a "we don't have any plans for this at the moment"`
`12:24.38`	`Kaelten`	`nevcairiel: hrm, not sure, I know some apps do better with some caches from what I've read`
`12:25.46`	`nevcairiel`	`we setup a php5 object oriented website the last week, and its running damn slow on our testing servers. no cache yet. was going to test apc now`
`12:26.04`	`nevcairiel`	`it had to compile lots of files for every access now, guess the cache will do good :D`
`12:26.11`	`kenlyric\|home`	`there has been no announcement for online availability, either as a system through blizzard and the blizzard downloader or through a third party vendor (like they have now with the 1.0 release).`
`12:26.24`	`phyber`	`I think clad said something about APC when he was first doing it all, yeah.`
`12:26.35`	`Tornhoof`	`actually not`
`12:26.53`	`Tornhoof`	`blue said, they're thinking about preloading`
`12:26.53`	`Tornhoof`	`like the patch did`
`12:27.00`	`nevcairiel`	`i just wish i can use my closed beta client`
`12:27.40`	`Tornhoof`	`most likely anyway ;)`
`12:28.07`	`nevcairiel`	`that did work for live release, didnt it?`
`12:28.12`	`Tornhoof`	`yeh`
`12:28.33`	`nevcairiel`	`altho i got notified by amazon that my BC copy will be one day late`
`12:28.36`	`Tornhoof`	`i still have a fully working closed beta original wow install around`
`12:28.37`	`nevcairiel`	`for whatever reason :o`
`12:28.46`	`haarm`	`uh, seriously?`
`12:28.52`	`haarm`	`i had no mail from amazon ;x`
`12:28.55`	`haarm`	`better check my order`
`12:29.07`	`nevcairiel`	`amazon germany here tho`
`12:29.27`	`haarm`	`yea amazon uk`
`12:29.34`	`odt`	`but any word if the TBC keys will again be region-separated?`
`12:29.36`	`nevcairiel`	`but i orderd it in february`
`12:29.37`	`haarm`	`i think their distribution center is in holland or something`
`12:29.55`	`nevcairiel`	`its scheduled for 17.01 now`
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`12:30.04`	`Tornhoof`	`mine is still 16th`
`12:30.05`	`nevcairiel`	`but i guess servers will be broken on 16th anyway :D`
`12:30.24`	`odt`	`if the US keys will upgrade EU accounts, I won't preorder anyway... just have a friend in the US buy and open a box for me`
`12:30.40`	`nevcairiel`	`prolly not`
`12:30.41`	`Tornhoof`	`don't think they will`
`12:31.11`	`odt`	`but the street date is the same, isn't it?`
`12:31.36`	`nevcairiel`	`16th jan`
`12:31.39`	`nevcairiel`	`yea`
`12:32.01`	`Tornhoof`	`should be there on 16th too`
`12:32.12`	`Tornhoof`	`but i would get that fugly german version`
`12:32.14`	`odt`	`hmm, i'll just sit and wait then`
`12:32.17`	`nevcairiel`	`knowing blizzard, i prolly wont miss any playing on 16th`
`12:32.20`	`vhaarr`	`haarm: Try this one.`
`12:32.25`	`CIA-17`	`03rabbit * r21674 10SpecialEventsEmbed/SpecialEvents-Aura-2.0/SpecialEvents-Aura-2.0.lua:`
`12:32.25`	`CIA-17`	`.SpecialEvents-Aura-2.0:`
`12:32.26`	`CIA-17`	`<PROTECTED>`
`12:32.26`	`CIA-17`	`<PROTECTED>`
`12:32.26`	`CIA-17`	`<PROTECTED>`
`12:32.27`	`CIA-17`	`<PROTECTED>`
`12:32.37`	`haarm`	`I said I didn't have the last one you updated ;x`
`12:32.43`	`vhaarr`	`bah`
`12:32.45`	`vhaarr`	`:P`
`12:32.49`	`vhaarr`	`Oh, well.`
`12:32.52`	`Tornhoof`	`you probably won't miss anything the whole week`
`12:32.53`	`odt`	`i don't like the idea of fighting with a hundred other blood elves over 5 eggs all that much anyway`
`12:33.27`	`nevcairiel`	`(13:32:08) (Tornhoof) but i would get that fugly german version <-- lets just hope enGB closed beta client works. :)`
`12:33.37`	`haarm`	`Items not yet dispatched:`
`12:33.37`	`haarm`	`Delivery estimate: 16 Jan 2007 - 17 Jan 2007`
`12:33.37`	`haarm`	`<PROTECTED>`
`12:33.44`	`haarm`	`16-17`
`12:33.46`	`haarm`	`mother fuckersd`
`12:34.03`	`kebinusan`	`knowing blizzard you probably wont be able to login for three days, or outland will be so overrun as everyone squeezes through the dark portal that it will be plagued with constant crashes`
`12:34.13`	`vhaarr`	`indeed`
`12:34.25`	`nevcairiel`	`yup`
`12:34.43`	`Tornhoof`	`didn't they plan some world event?`
`12:35.13`	`nevcairiel`	`good that i know a good part of the quests already`
`12:35.16`	`CIA-17`	`03phyber * r21675 10Fizzle/Core.lua:`
`12:35.16`	`CIA-17`	`Fizzle:`
`12:35.16`	`CIA-17`	`- Remove the PEW/PLW registers and associated functions.`
`12:35.17`	`nevcairiel`	`and can level faster`
`12:35.18`	`nevcairiel`	`:)`
`12:35.24`	`kebinusan`	`Lets hope not I really dont feel like farming 1,000,000 linen bandages`
`12:35.27`	`haarm`	`lol, they are happy to charge me �9 for next day delivery`
`12:35.42`	`CIA-17`	`03phyber * r21676 10BagSlots/BagSlots.lua:`
`12:35.42`	`CIA-17`	`BagSlots:`
`12:35.42`	`CIA-17`	`<PROTECTED>`
`12:35.45`	`haarm`	`thankfully I can still cancel the order... bring on the downloads!`
`12:35.59`	`nevcairiel`	`yeah i have to pay 13 � for overnight as well, and it didnt change the day to 16th :P`
`12:36.04`	`kebinusan`	`I hope they do online delivery`
`12:36.09`	`kebinusan`	`its stupid of them not to`
`12:36.20`	`nevcairiel`	`no game, just key.`
`12:36.24`	`nevcairiel`	`i would be happy.`
`12:36.24`	`kebinusan`	`aye`
`12:36.36`	`haarm`	`�9 ~= 13 euros, guess it's their standard rate`
`12:36.41`	`odt`	`what was the price on amazon btw?`
`12:36.48`	`haarm`	`oh wait, ~ is not in lua? :D`
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`12:36.52`	`haarm`	`i mean approx :D`
`12:37.01`	`nevcairiel`	`34 � for me`
`12:37.03`	`vhaarr`	`yeah, it's really confusing`
`12:37.04`	`nevcairiel`	`well 33,95`
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`12:37.13`	`vhaarr`	`~ is approx everywhere except lua`
`12:37.25`	`odt`	`hmm, then the 35 euros on gamersloot.net sounds like a deal`
`12:37.35`	`nevcairiel`	`gamersloot .. lol`
`12:37.38`	`haarm`	`�17.99 with free "first class" delivery, which means 1-2 days, or �9 for 1 day`
`12:37.39`	`nevcairiel`	`funny name :D`
`12:38.35`	`kebinusan`	`I'll probably just go try and buy it at a local store than mess with stock issues from an online retailer`
`12:39.40`	`Tornhoof`	`and get beaten up by hordes of teenagers?`
`12:39.42`	`haarm`	`although, when live went live, I was due to get it "on release day" from amazon, and I got it 2 days before`
`12:39.42`	`Tornhoof`	`no thanks`
`12:39.56`	`Tornhoof`	`i got it on release day`
`12:40.02`	`nevcairiel`	`i got it on release day too`
`12:40.10`	`nevcairiel`	`but auth servers were shut down then :P`
`12:40.10`	`haarm`	`it was collectors edition though`
`12:40.16`	`Tornhoof`	`ya mine too`
`12:41.48`	`haarm`	`oh well, if I don't get to play on release day, at least I can log on and get to an inn, and start building up rested xp`
`12:41.59`	`nevcairiel`	`hehe`
`12:42.15`	`nevcairiel`	`does blasted lands have an inn ? :D`
`12:42.23`	`haarm`	`if you're alliance`
`12:42.29`	`nevcairiel`	`yeah i am`
`12:42.32`	`haarm`	`I think you can stay at the nethergarde keep?`
`12:42.34`	`nevcairiel`	`but not sure if there is an actual inn`
`12:42.35`	`kebinusan`	`hmm not sure, I think the closest is duskwood`
`12:42.37`	`haarm`	`horde can stay at stonard`
`12:42.45`	`odt`	`yeah`
`12:42.49`	`odt`	`not that far away`
`12:43.05`	`haarm`	`i bet the account activation pages will be down anyway`
`12:43.21`	`nevcairiel`	`did they decide yet if you will get your 1.5 lvl rested xp for being 60 ?`
`12:43.24`	`nevcairiel`	`or if you dont?`
`12:43.50`	`vhaarr`	`They'd better not take that away ><`
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`12:44.22`	`nevcairiel`	`it doesnt really matter tho, just feels better starting to level with one and a half level rested already`
`12:44.56`	`haarm`	`you don't afaik`
`12:45.01`	`haarm`	`in beta it's taken away`
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`12:47.50`	`CIA-17`	`03nymbia * r21677 10PeriodicTable-2.0/PeriodicTable-InstanceLoot-2.0/PeriodicTable-InstanceLoot-2.0.lua: PeriodicTable-2.0: Updated drop tables.`
`12:49.14`	`Necrathex`	`does anyone know if it's possible to get the itemlink from items in your mailbox?`
`12:49.27`	`CIA-17`	`03nymbia 07nymbia * r21678 10PeriodicTable_DataMiner/PeriodicTable_DataMiner/WoWHeadMiner.lua: PeriodicTable_DataMiner: Changed input/output filenames.`
`12:49.31`	`vhaarr`	`http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=2780.msg68363#msg68363`
`12:49.33`	`vhaarr`	`^^`
`12:49.36`	`nymbia`	`Necrathex: shouldnt be a problem`
`12:49.55`	`nymbia`	`Necrathex: check wowwiki, there's gotta be some api for it`
`12:50.24`	`Necrathex`	`nymbia: checking that now, haven't found it yet`
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`12:50.39`	`nymbia`	`Necrathex: hmm, lemme look`
`12:50.58`	`DrZoot`	`whats a good way to see if there is an active pet?`
`12:51.11`	`vhaarr`	`UnitExists("pet")`
`12:51.21`	`DrZoot`	`yup, that would be it :D`
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`12:53.21`	`haarm`	`Kaelten, you know a while back, when we discovered you could abuse PlayMusic etc to access urls... and Cairenn reported it to the Blizz dev peoples`
`12:53.53`	`Necrathex`	`nymbia: i want to do things with the item tooltip when you mouseover a mailed item`
`12:54.10`	`haarm`	`now MusicStream is relying on it for it's functionality, and well, it's probably a use of the function that you probably don't want, since it has the potential to be abused`
`12:54.35`	`naenee`	`Does MusicStream use 3rd party software to play the sound?`
`12:54.48`	`haarm`	`no, but it uses an exploit to break the wow sandbox`
`12:54.49`	`nymbia`	`Necrathex: maybe hook GameTooltip:SetInboxItem() ?`
`12:54.55`	`naenee`	`okay.`
`12:55.00`	`haarm`	`well not an exploit, an oversight`
`12:55.03`	`naenee`	`Then I won't have to get media player for instance.`
`12:55.45`	`haarm`	`but you can use it to access any URL, not just streaming audio, and who knows what kind of malformed data people could conjure to do unspeakable things to your pc ;)`
`12:55.50`	`Necrathex`	`nymbia: i've done that`
`12:56.11`	`Necrathex`	`nymbia: i can read the tooptip itself, just not get access to the original itemlink`
`12:56.14`	`yacoob`	`haarm, oh? way out of sandbox? :D`
`12:56.42`	`haarm`	`yea, you're not supposed to be able to do any file io`
`12:57.08`	`groll`	`could someone help out a noob a lil bit? :D i need to figure out what mod uses a certain umm something not sure what it's called.. i got the name of it ie ShapeShiftBarFrame and Player_auras_changed etc and such.. would it be just to search the files in that folder that i suspect for those "names"?`
`12:57.11`	`yacoob`	`I know. What's this musicstream thingy?`
`12:57.18`	`nymbia`	`Necrathex: hmm. pain in the ass in 2.0.1 -- wait a week and use tooltip:GetItem()`
`12:57.37`	`Necrathex`	`nymbia: :o we get that?`
`12:57.42`	`nymbia`	`Necrathex: yup :D`
`12:57.47`	`Necrathex`	`that would be gerat`
`12:57.54`	`Necrathex`	`s/gerat/great/`
`12:58.09`	`haarm`	`uses PlayMusic() to stream audio, and since PlayMusic is obviously a wrapper for fmod.dll or something, it just takes it as a valid audio source, however, you can can access urls://with?params=etc`
`12:58.19`	`Necrathex`	`thanks for the info :`
`12:58.35`	`nymbia`	`:)`
`12:58.38`	`yacoob`	`haarm, now, only thing one needs is overflow in fmod.dll? :D`
`12:58.46`	`haarm`	`yep :D`
`12:58.51`	`groll`	`:P`
`12:59.42`	`haarm`	`well, an overflow and some shellcode, but one capable of finding one, should be pretty capable of crafting the other`
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`13:00.53`	`haarm`	`who knows, you could maybe even use a pointer to the lua_call routine and get it to hook some things`
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`13:01.55`	`Necrathex`	`groll: any bar mod should use that`
`13:02.09`	`groll`	`ok darn thought so then it's bt3 :(`
`13:02.16`	`Necrathex`	`yes`
`13:02.32`	`groll`	`it's QUITE heavy on load on my machine heh..`
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`13:02.58`	`groll`	`but i dont even use the shapeshiftbar :/`
`13:03.02`	`Necrathex`	`lemme guess, you're a warrior and stancedancing makes your pc lag?`
`13:03.07`	`Necrathex`	`(or druid)`
`13:03.17`	`groll`	`no i'm a shaman so i dont use it what so ever :S`
`13:03.24`	`groll`	`but it fires hmm sec let me check`
`13:03.29`	`Necrathex`	`hm`
`13:04.27`	`groll`	`261 times, for SPELL_UPDATE_COOLDOWN 2029kib`
`13:04.40`	`Necrathex`	`lol`
`13:04.42`	`groll`	`according to teksupport`
`13:04.44`	`nevcairiel`	`the events are fired from the game, no addon can fire them :o`
`13:04.57`	`groll`	`well i'm a noob as i said :P`
`13:05.04`	`groll`	`or well part noob :P`
`13:05.25`	`groll`	`http://www.amnesiaguild.com/addon1.jpg there is the screen with the info`
`13:05.49`	`nymbia`	`well, i'm sure it fires as many events as actions that change from the stance change -- which is most all of em. your real question is, which addon is taking so damn long to handle the SPELL_UPDATE_COOLDOWN event?`
`13:05.57`	`groll`	`i'm not 100% sure how to intepret the info though :P`
`13:06.09`	`nevcairiel`	`shapeshiftbarframe`
`13:06.10`	`nevcairiel`	`hmm`
`13:06.29`	`nevcairiel`	`you could always just unregister it :P`
`13:06.43`	`nevcairiel`	`ShapeShiftBarFrame:UnregisterEvent("SPELL_UPDATE_COOLDOWN")`
`13:06.49`	`nevcairiel`	`:D`
`13:06.50`	`nymbia`	`wow, how long does it lock you for on stance change?`
`13:06.57`	`groll`	`well heh noooob as i said :P i just saw those big numbers and the info for teqsupport said big numbers = bad :P`
`13:06.57`	`Necrathex`	`and see what addon becomes broken :P`
`13:07.13`	`groll`	`i dont change stance :P i'm a darn shammy :P`
`13:07.19`	`Necrathex`	`shaman stance change = ghostwolf?`
`13:07.26`	`groll`	`that's why i thought it looked so darn wrong :P`
`13:07.27`	`nevcairiel`	`its not considerd a stance`
`13:07.51`	`groll`	`shaman = healbot :P that's about it lol`
`13:07.54`	`groll`	`or well used to be`
`13:08.06`	`haarm`	`still is, shh`
`13:08.10`	`haarm`	`priests are the new dps`
`13:08.16`	`groll`	`PFFF!`
`13:08.34`	`groll`	`but nevcairiel what would that unregister result in? :P nothing good i guess? :P`
`13:08.40`	`haarm`	`shut up and heal, or we'll give your spot to a paladin!`
`13:08.47`	`groll`	`haha`
`13:08.59`	`groll`	`i'll steal a rogue spot then :D`
`13:09.20`	`nevcairiel`	`since you dont use the ShapeShiftBar .. i dont think it should break`
`13:09.24`	`nevcairiel`	`let me check shapeshiftbar code`
`13:09.29`	`groll`	`okies thanks :D`
`13:09.44`	`nevcairiel`	`i wonder which file it is in`
`13:09.58`	`groll`	`it's ur addon damnit :P u should know :D`
`13:10.16`	`nevcairiel`	`shapeshiftbarframe is blizzard stuff`
`13:10.20`	`groll`	`ah`
`13:10.34`	`groll`	`i thought you used it in bt3 :P`
`13:11.35`	`nevcairiel`	`hrm`
`13:11.43`	`nevcairiel`	`that event does nothing for people without the bar`
`13:12.05`	`nevcairiel`	`it only updates cooldowns and state for the shapeshift buttons`
`13:12.17`	`groll`	`so why does it show up on me then? :D`
`13:12.39`	`nevcairiel`	`the UI does not decide if its needed or not`
`13:13.10`	`nevcairiel`	`it just registers`
`13:13.25`	`nevcairiel`	`can you do /print GetNumShapeshiftForms(); ?`
`13:13.41`	`groll`	`hmm sec, need to log on to check`
`13:13.49`	`CIA-17`	`03rabbit * r21679 10!BugGrabber/BugGrabber.lua: !BugGrabber: Gah, this wasn't supposed to get in.`
`13:15.58`	`Iceroth`	`i wonder if i'd be bored enough to run all my addons through taint mapper :s`
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`13:16.22`	`haarm`	`hm, I just downloaded tekSupport, and... it's not working, /ace2 list enabled shows it in there, but it's not listed under dev tools on my fubar`
`13:16.35`	`vhaarr`	`<PROTECTED>`
`13:16.37`	`haarm`	`and I have all the dependencies ofc`
`13:16.38`	`vhaarr`	`Time for work.`
`13:16.58`	`haarm`	`mrrr, ty`
`13:18.01`	`DrZoot`	`What event would I use to look for Item cooldown changes? BAG_UPDATE_COOLDOWN ?`
`13:18.25`	`groll`	`nevcairiel return was a 0`
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`13:18.30`	`haarm`	`tekSupport broke BT3`
`13:18.31`	`haarm`	`:D`
`13:18.56`	`nevcairiel`	`tekSupport doesnt work that well with any addon which use secure templates iirc`
`13:19.11`	`haarm`	`paging is now screwed`
`13:19.13`	`groll`	`well teksupport aint fully upgraded for 2.0 yet i think.. it works but can break a lot :P`
`13:19.18`	`haarm`	`like... coming out of stealth`
`13:19.37`	`groll`	`nevcairiel was that 0 a good thing to get or not? :D`
`13:20.12`	`nevcairiel`	`since you dont have stances, yeah`
`13:20.51`	`groll`	`hmm ok, but those numbers for shapeshift bar is just to be ignored then? o_O`
`13:21.03`	`Bueller`	`Anyone know why AceComm's SendCommMessage would cause WoW to disconnect when using a custom channel? GUILD and PARTY work just fine.`
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`13:22.05`	`Bueller`	`I'm not showing any error, I just get disconnected.`
`13:22.07`	`nevcairiel`	`i know that whisper is broken, not sure why custom channel breaks as well, ask ckknight_ about it`
`13:22.14`	`kebinusan`	`bleh I need more buttons`
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`13:22.56`	`Bueller`	`Yeah, whisper wasn't working either.`
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`13:25.51`	`Ani\|`	`AceEvent-2.0: Cannot register event "PLAYER_REGEN_DISABLED" to method "PLAYER_REGEN_DISABLED", it does not exist`
`13:25.53`	`Ani\|`	`Anyone knows why? :<`
`13:27.12`	`rw3`	`you dont have such a method in your code?`
`13:27.13`	`rw3`	`:X`
`13:28.18`	`nevcairiel`	`makes sense`
`13:28.18`	`nevcairiel`	`:D`
`13:28.26`	`Ani\|`	`ah... lol... >_<`
`13:29.49`	`Ani\|`	`thanks... now it dows work...`
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`13:37.39`	`Amadeo`	`wtf - http://www.spirecoolers.com/main/product_cas_detail.asp?ProdID=520`
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`13:40.46`	`kenlyric\|work`	`that case has opulent style.`
`13:40.49`	`kenlyric\|work`	`lol`
`13:44.01`	`DrZoot`	`I do like the fold out motherboard tray`
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`13:44.28`	`DrZoot`	`thats the sort of thing that would save me alot of time`
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`13:45.05`	`Amadeo`	`I'm just surprised they worked on a PC case`
`13:45.06`	`kenlyric\|work`	`true. But the person who wrote that has no idea what the word opulent means.`
`13:45.22`	`Amadeo`	`the reviewer was beyond biased`
`13:45.32`	`Hjalte`	`Is there any addon, that can block the default bag from popping up when i visit merchant, mail, ah and so on?`
`13:45.34`	`kenlyric\|work`	`well, it's not a review.`
`13:47.17`	`Necrathex`	`how do i submit an addon to the ace svn?`
`13:47.41`	`neenee`	`Very nice case. bookmarks`
`13:48.23`	`zoktar`	`grpfu working ?`
`13:50.05`	`zoktar`	`nm`
`13:55.56`	`Saladin`	`How do I modify channels in the different Prat chatboxes? ><`
`13:56.16`	`haarm`	`what's a good way to trick people into doing some human interaction with my mod on login, so I can re-cache tradeskill info`
`13:57.03`	`CIA-17`	`03damjau * r21680 10oCB/ (5 files in 2 dirs): oCB - toggle diplay of Icon, spell rank text`
`13:57.14`	`Saladin`	`logout in northshire`
`13:58.56`	`nevcairiel`	`vhaarr: is that modded BT2 still working for you after the last patch?`
`13:59.22`	`haarm`	`Saladin, I don't see how that will help :(`
`13:59.31`	`Saladin`	`human interaction :P`
`13:59.38`	`Saladin`	`"give 1g pls"`
`13:59.56`	`haarm`	`no, I mean like, making them cause events via hardware ;p`
`14:00.28`	`phyber`	`just wait and they'll start moving anyway?`
`14:00.38`	`phyber`	`not like they just login to sit there and do nothing ;)`
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`14:00.54`	`haarm`	`ok, I think I must have missed something in my explaination ;p`
`14:01.02`	`nuOHEP`	`make big "click me" button?`
`14:01.19`	`haarm`	`I need them to click a button or something, so I can trigger CastSpell to open tradeskill windows and iterate through all of the skills`
`14:01.33`	`haarm`	`nuOHEP, would be annoying I think`
`14:02.07`	`phyber`	`haarm: why do they need to do this?`
`14:02.08`	`nuOHEP`	`dont think there is another way... this, or a static popup wich users can disable`
`14:02.26`	`Amadeo`	`"Press B for free gold!"`
`14:02.26`	`phyber`	`and if they NEED to do it, why are you tricking them, just a button with "Click me if you want shit to work" should do it./`
`14:02.29`	`haarm`	`phyber, because otherwise the mod doesn't know what recipes they learned until they open a tradeskill window`
`14:02.59`	`Amadeo`	`haarm: Won't they eventually open one up in time?`
`14:03.28`	`haarm`	`yes, but, that's not helpful :P`
`14:03.29`	`phyber`	`Amadeo: probably. That's how it works with Mendeleev.`
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`14:03.42`	`nuOHEP`	`something like the tips when you login with a new char. a menu with a "click me" button and a check box "dont show this shit"`
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`14:03.52`	`Amadeo`	`haarm: Do they have to open it every time they log in?`
`14:03.55`	`haarm`	`if I want it to say, when they enter a new zone, this zone has these vendors that sell these recipes that you havn't learned`
`14:03.55`	`phyber`	`when i want to see which meat I can sell, I'll open the cooking window, and then go over all the meat to see which is only for crap cooking skills.`
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`14:07.42`	`SoLoR`	`crry someone screwed up colors at witchhunt... now everything is white :(`
`14:08.04`	`haarm`	`didn't vhaarr break witchhunt earlier? :p`
`14:08.11`	`haarm`	`or was it just the korean locale`
`14:09.22`	`SoLoR`	`vhaarr prolly ;)`
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`14:16.35`	`phyber`	`haarm: what is it that stops you from opening the tradeskil window yourself?`
`14:16.42`	`phyber`	`no function for it or is it protected?`
`14:17.11`	`Necrathex`	`you could never do that i think`
`14:17.25`	`haarm`	`phyber, it's a spell`
`14:17.40`	`haarm`	`you need to cast a spell, to trigger the event, to open the window`
`14:17.53`	`haarm`	`and you can't iterate the individual skills until after the event has fired`
`14:19.20`	`haarm`	`for example, engineering, you will have to /cast Engineering(Artisan) to open it`
`14:19.30`	`phyber`	`that's..... special.`
`14:19.37`	`haarm`	`it's a pain in the arse`
`14:20.01`	`haarm`	`none of the tradeskill api will work until that event is fired, and it needs to be human triggered`
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`14:22.12`	`phyber`	`haarm: post in US forums asking for a nice OpenTradeSkill(skill) function? or is there some "zomg bots!" reason that blizzard don't want it`
`14:22.25`	`haarm`	`my lovely Eu account doesn't work there`
`14:22.43`	`haarm`	`and you know the devs never read the EU forums`
`14:22.53`	`phyber`	`WTB: [US poster for sensible function request]`
`14:23.55`	`haarm`	`well, not even OpenTradeSkill`
`14:24.13`	`haarm`	`something along the lines of SetActiveTradeskill(skill)`
`14:24.21`	`haarm`	`so the API can iterate without opening anything`
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`14:31.00`	`haarm`	`"You have reached the in game cap of unique mail recipients", for my 2nd recipient :D`
`14:31.45`	`Fisker-`	`eh?`
`14:32.19`	`nevcairiel`	`i had that too today`
`14:32.29`	`nevcairiel`	`and after that i got "Recipient is unfriendly" or something`
`14:32.40`	`phyber`	`Maintenance was successful!`
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`14:37.16`	`haarm`	`yea, target is unfriendly, for my alt :)`
`14:37.34`	`Ominous`	`is there anyway to find out the diminshing returns effect for stuns on a target?`
`14:38.57`	`Mikma`	`http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info5603-BackSeatDriver.html`
`14:39.54`	`Fisker-`	`btw`
`14:40.13`	`Fisker-`	`i've been told if you log on your alt it's possible to send again`
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`14:54.23`	`SpiffyJr`	`Kergoth: You around this early?`
`14:56.35`	`Hjalte`	`Kemayo, you here?`
`14:56.50`	`Xuerian`	`~seen kergoth`
`14:57.10`	`purl`	`kergoth is currently on #wowi-lounge #oe #wowace #elinux, last said: 'yeah, that rocks'.`
`14:57.14`	`Xuerian`	`~seen Kemayo`
`14:57.21`	`purl`	`kemayo is currently on #wowi-lounge #wowace. Has said a total of 2 messages. Is idling for 10h 2s, last said: 'Khaz Modan is on its way down. ;_;'.`
`14:57.21`	`Hjalte`	`gogo purl`
`14:57.21`	`SpiffyJr`	`!seen kergoth`
`14:57.23`	`SpiffyJr`	`Hrm.`
`14:57.23`	`Xuerian`	`Thanks for the TIMES, purl...`
`14:57.23`	`Hjalte`	`!seen kemayo`
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`15:01.36`	`Hjalte`	`Hmm. It seems a lot of authors have problems with stopping their addons from configuring or showing themselves in combat..`
`15:02.08`	`Xuerian`	`Hjalte: It was a big change, and the ways to do that are rather complicated to wrap your head around for the first time`
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`15:04.22`	`Fisker-`	`fukken made it`
`15:04.27`	`Fisker-`	`revered with silvermoon city`
`15:04.42`	`Xuerian`	`Grats :P`
`15:04.56`	`Fisker-`	`only halfway though :P`
`15:05.02`	`kenlyric\|work`	`heh.`
`15:05.05`	`Fisker-`	`nice result over 3 days though`
`15:05.09`	`kenlyric\|work`	`AV?`
`15:05.11`	`Fisker-`	`friendly->revered`
`15:05.13`	`Fisker-`	`yup`
`15:06.50`	`phyber`	`you repping up with Silvermoon in live somehow?`
`15:06.54`	`phyber`	`or wasting time in beta :p`
`15:06.56`	`Daemona`	`Fisker- how are you doing that? o.O only way i found so far was AV turnins`
`15:07.04`	`phyber`	`I got a bit of Exodar rep in live from some WPL quest.`
`15:07.15`	`kenlyric\|work`	`there are a bunch of quests all over the place now.`
`15:07.22`	`kenlyric\|work`	`easily enough to hit honored without AV turnins.`
`15:08.12`	`Fisker-`	`Daemona that's what i'm doing :P`
`15:08.27`	`Fisker-`	`only seen like 2000 rep for silvermoon`
`15:08.39`	`kenlyric\|work`	`you probably haven't found all the quest locations.`
`15:08.57`	`kenlyric\|work`	`there's a huge one for exodar in Ashenvale.`
`15:08.57`	`snurre-`	`kinda nice how they massively increased rep gained at low lvls... started this cahr on 2.0.1 patchday, now at 55 im exlted with orgrimmar and revered with all other cities, including silvermon.. and halfway through honored with all steamwheedle`
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`15:09.11`	`zoktar`	`hmm groupfu work in 2.0 now ?`
`15:09.34`	`phyber`	`snurre-: cool. I thought my mage alt was gaining rep quite quickly.`
`15:09.39`	`kenlyric\|work`	`snurre-: you can also go back to grey quests and get full rep for them.`
`15:09.40`	`SoLoR`	`zoktar branch version`
`15:09.59`	`kenlyric\|work`	`that's how I got my kitty mount... did noob nelf quests at level 48 :)`
`15:10.54`	`snurre-`	`soon exalted with TB too, not even 60 yet :p`
`15:11.33`	`Fisker-`	`according to wowwiki i've completed all silvermoon orep quests sofar`
`15:12.04`	`kenlyric\|work`	`wait, are you undead?`
`15:12.17`	`snurre-`	`orc`
`15:12.26`	`kenlyric\|work`	`then you started neutral with them, I think.`
`15:12.33`	`snurre-`	`yeah`
`15:12.37`	`snurre-`	`only ud are friendly`
`15:13.33`	`Fisker-`	`<-i liek`
`15:13.35`	`kenlyric\|work`	`isn't it funny how horde gets ripped a new one just for lore?`
`15:13.36`	`Fisker-`	`i started friendly :P`
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`15:15.41`	`Ominous`	`why on some non english clients does local _, _, mob = string.find(arg1, string.gsub(AURAREMOVEDOTHER,'%%s','(.+)')) cause "invalid capture index"`
`15:18.26`	`Fisker-`	`btw i'm gonna power rep this weekeend i think`
`15:18.41`	`Fisker-`	`gonna start at midnight so i don't get laggy av's`
`15:18.43`	`kenlyric\|work`	`desperate for a chicken?`
`15:18.56`	`haarm`	`fisker, you get huge amounts in outlands`
`15:18.56`	`Ominous`	`does no one know :S`
`15:19.12`	`haarm`	`no idea Ominous, what's AURAREMOVEDOTHER in the non english clients?`
`15:19.16`	`Fisker-`	`i know`
`15:19.37`	`Fisker-`	`but i gotta be exalted before release`
`15:19.40`	`Ominous`	`i dont know, but it should localise to the same as the spell book, shouln;t it?`
`15:19.44`	`kenlyric\|work`	`i just wanted to hit honored, so I'd have my discount from the start, should it be needed.`
`15:19.49`	`Fisker-`	`if not it won't be lulz`
`15:21.00`	`haarm`	`do you need to escape the '(.+)' ?`
`15:21.44`	`Ominous`	`haarm what do you mean?,`
`15:21.51`	`haarm`	`%s`
`15:22.01`	`Ominous`	`that is what the string.gsub does`
`15:22.03`	`Fisker-`	`http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/9150/silvermoondo6.jpg`
`15:22.19`	`axxo`	`closet gnome banker cant deal with 2 items of the same name`
`15:22.59`	`Ominous`	`it works with every other pattern aswell`
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`15:24.06`	`haarm`	`how the fuck did you get so much gold fisker`
`15:24.13`	`haarm`	`you chinese or something?`
`15:24.14`	`Fisker-`	`ah :)`
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`15:24.51`	`Fisker-`	`texts went for 2g a piece on our server until recently`
`15:25.02`	`haarm`	`heh, I just had to reduce mine to 80s`
`15:25.18`	`haarm`	`which could explain why I have half the gold you do ;)`
`15:25.25`	`Fisker-`	`and i can play where i work so the 200-250 texts i got during that got sold :)`
`15:25.38`	`Fisker-`	`and then idle in org/raid when i get home`
`15:26.06`	`snurre-`	`13317g on my account now :(`
`15:26.07`	`Necrathex`	`what's the name of the addon that makes your frames look that way?`
`15:26.15`	`haarm`	`EvilAddOn`
`15:26.23`	`cncfanatics`	`Visor2GUI is bugged ?`
`15:26.25`	`Fisker-`	`skinner :(`
`15:26.29`	`Necrathex`	`cncfanatics: yes`
`15:26.34`	`Fisker-`	`because haste is too lazy to update oskin`
`15:26.40`	`haarm`	`2420g :(`
`15:26.52`	`abbat_w`	`Haste lost in WoW? :)`
`15:27.09`	`abbat_w`	`Maybe he test cloak of shadows on BGs?`
`15:27.11`	`Fisker-`	`i hope the pvp hawkstrider(be mount) doesn't cost eye of the storm marks`
`15:27.13`	`kenlyric\|work`	`156g!`
`15:27.26`	`axxo`	`snurre-: gb?`
`15:27.29`	`Fisker-`	`cloak of shadows is shit`
`15:27.41`	`snurre-`	`axxo: some of it yea`
`15:27.42`	`Fisker-`	`http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/6466/clearlyoutplayedhx9.jpg <-see`
`15:27.51`	`Fisker-`	`preperation for 2xcloak of shadows on that mage`
`15:27.57`	`Fisker-`	`and he did that when he got on like 20%`
`15:28.15`	`abbat_w`	`Fisker ;)`
`15:28.34`	`kebinusan`	`heh 3 minute mage`
`15:28.43`	`abbat_w`	`Which mod show frame with this crit?`
`15:28.56`	`snurre-`	`EavesDrop`
`15:29.15`	`abbat_w`	`This mod show only crits?`
`15:29.20`	`snurre-`	`no`
`15:29.21`	`haarm`	`i aint been dropping no eaves sir`
`15:29.44`	`abbat_w`	`Hmm... it's be nice in pvp i think`
`15:29.48`	`snurre-`	`server restart in 15mins :(`
`15:30.12`	`Fisker-`	`same here`
`15:30.17`	`Necrathex`	`same`
`15:30.19`	`Necrathex`	`:o`
`15:30.19`	`Fisker-`	`what server snurre- ?`
`15:30.23`	`snurre-`	`dragonmaw`
`15:30.25`	`Necrathex`	`battlegroup1 i guess?`
`15:30.32`	`Fisker-`	`<-bg3`
`15:30.37`	`Necrathex`	`hmz`
`15:30.39`	`abbat_w`	`<- bg1`
`15:32.00`	`haarm`	`Fisker-, you know how long pyro takes to cast? where was the kick?`
`15:32.13`	`abbat_w`	`6 sec`
`15:32.20`	`abbat_w`	`and instant with pom ;)`
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`15:32.39`	`abbat_w`	`and maybe maybe do pyro from beyond, like a rogue...`
`15:32.55`	`abbat_w`	`or from behind`
`15:32.59`	`abbat_w`	`don't sure ;)`
`15:33.00`	`Fisker-`	`i think he pom'ed`
`15:33.15`	`abbat_w`	`6k..`
`15:33.18`	`Fisker-`	`atleast i was pounding him and then i died`
`15:33.26`	`abbat_w`	`it's must be with trinket and av buff`
`15:33.49`	`abbat_w`	`but lol, 5168 ;)`
`15:34.00`	`Fisker-`	`i think he had av buff actually`
`15:34.03`	`Fisker-`	`but still sick :)`
`15:34.04`	`abbat_w`	`i think mage dork about 2-3 hours on this number`
`15:34.05`	`[Cu]Werik`	`its more like a ~700 spellpower mage`
`15:34.54`	`Necrathex`	`mage in my guild did over 7k`
`15:34.59`	`Fisker-`	`:(`
`15:35.06`	`Necrathex`	`in WSG`
`15:35.18`	`abbat_w`	`��`
`15:35.24`	`[Cu]Werik`	`its like once in a month you crit for that much with uber gear:)`
`15:35.25`	`abbat_w`	`omg`
`15:35.33`	`Fisker-`	`best i've ever done was a 3,55k eviscerate`
`15:35.37`	`abbat_w`	`Fisker, what slang on you guild chat?`
`15:35.42`	`Necrathex`	`he had flask and elixir up hehe`
`15:35.45`	`Fisker-`	`it danish`
`15:35.46`	`snurre-`	`i was in tanking gear and defstance with protspec, and i still got 1shotted (7.3k) on my warr by a warlock`
`15:35.50`	`abbat_w`	`ah`
`15:36.06`	`abbat_w`	`dobbelt == double?`
`15:36.10`	`snurre-`	`yes`
`15:36.10`	`Fisker-`	`pretty much just me expressing my disgust in the rogue class and mage class at the same time :P`
`15:36.11`	`Fisker-`	`yeah`
`15:36.14`	`Amadeo`	`7k damage will be common in TBC`
`15:36.15`	`abbat_w`	`huh`
`15:36.18`	`Fisker-`	`i used cloak of shadows twice`
`15:36.21`	`Fisker-`	`preperation`
`15:36.25`	`abbat_w`	`never see denish language before ;)`
`15:36.34`	`abbat_w`	`danish`
`15:36.43`	`Fisker-`	`danish is a pretty simple language`
`15:36.47`	`Necrathex`	`at least we'll have hp over 7k in TBC`
`15:36.58`	shaq`emo	`abbat sound so smart, like omg he know everything`
`15:37.01`	`haarm`	`[Cu]Werik where is the justice, mage with 700 spell damage can do a 5k crit, my priest with 700 spell damage manages 2k crits :(`
`15:37.01`	`Fisker-`	`and lot of the words are somewhat english`
`15:37.03`	`Amadeo`	`Yeah, so it'll take 2 spells instead of 1.... :P`
`15:37.04`	`snurre-`	`Fisker-: except for your number system`
`15:37.06`	`Fisker-`	`kniv = knife`
`15:37.21`	`snurre-`	`http://youtube.com/watch?v=s-mOy8VUEBk`
`15:37.50`	`kebinusan`	`3 minute mage, just find him after you rez and kill him when he doesnt have pom up`
`15:37.56`	`abbat_w`	`yeah`
`15:38.05`	`abbat_w`	`setup antagonist and monitor hes PoM`
`15:38.05`	`Amadeo`	`Arcane Mages aren't like that anymore`
`15:38.12`	`Amadeo`	`Arcane Missles hit for truckloads`
`15:38.21`	`abbat_w`	`then just do it from behind ;)`
`15:38.30`	`Soulless`	`<Nulzore> Soulless, know if tehres a macro to cast dispell magic on enemy, but if nothing is on them, to dispell me instead?`
`15:38.30`	`Fisker-`	`yeah i killed him a lot afterwards`
`15:38.33`	`kebinusan`	`completely interruptable`
`15:38.36`	`Soulless`	`you can't do that can you?`
`15:38.41`	`Fisker-`	`just went for preperation + cheap shot = oneshot eviscerate`
`15:38.45`	`Fisker-`	`i hated him`
`15:39.04`	`abbat_w`	`heh`
`15:39.14`	`abbat_w`	`sometimes ago i was mage with pom/pyro spec`
`15:39.47`	`Fisker-`	`preperation = premeditation ofc`
`15:39.54`	`abbat_w`	`and rogues also monitor my cds, found and kill me ;)`
`15:40.09`	`Amadeo`	`kebinusan: Mages can get away so easily that interruption isn't as much of an issue for them as with other classes :)`
`15:40.29`	`kebinusan`	`sure they blink, just blind them`
`15:40.32`	`[Cu]Werik`	`haarm, you can heal:P`
`15:40.41`	`Fisker-`	`maybe i should replace cenemycast with antagonist`
`15:40.49`	`abbat_w`	`yep`
`15:40.50`	`Fisker-`	`cause all i need from it anymore is cooldown monitors`
`15:40.50`	`haarm`	`vampiric doesn't count ;x`
`15:40.51`	`snurre-`	`id much much rather have a free kill once per 3mins than being anyones bitch unless i have a dedicated healer`
`15:40.52`	`Amadeo`	`kebinusan: Wouldn't that make you a 3 minute Rogue then?`
`15:41.00`	`abbat_w`	`ok, time to go to home`
`15:41.02`	`abbat_w`	`cya guys`
`15:41.15`	`Amadeo`	`or is it 5 minutes? :)`
`15:41.57`	`Iceroth`	`rolling restars in EU?`
`15:42.01`	`snurre-`	`yea`
`15:42.02`	`Fisker-`	`looks like it`
`15:42.04`	`cncfanatics`	`yay, my realm is down !`
`15:42.08`	`[Cu]Werik`	`I know a sentence in swdish btw Fisker-`
`15:42.20`	`[Cu]Werik`	`Jag �ger dig med en hand!`
`15:42.36`	`haarm`	`jag ar svensk, so knulla min hund`
`15:42.42`	`cncfanatics`	`third reboot today !`
`15:42.50`	`Iceroth`	`oh, only 1st here`
`15:42.52`	`haarm`	`thats the best swedish i can do`
`15:42.55`	`Fisker-`	`i hope iblis drops today`
`15:43.04`	`haarm`	`i can't even make letters with .. on top`
`15:43.04`	`Fisker-`	`then i can finally get a proper offhand since they nerfed weapon skill`
`15:43.07`	`kebinusan`	`probably fixing this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yb8mvN2pgpU`
`15:43.17`	`cncfanatics`	`third iceroth :p`
`15:43.23`	`haarm`	`already fixed iirc`
`15:43.25`	`cncfanatics`	`u just prolly weren't online at 8 CET`
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`15:45.19`	`Maranatha`	`anyone know of an addon that is like notepad..you can enter a title and then paste text? Must have the ability to store VERY large amounts of text under a single title..`
`15:46.13`	`Xuerian`	`tinypad can do that, duno about "VERY" large`
`15:46.46`	`Kinkx`	`Omnibus can probably do that as well`
`15:46.50`	`Ani\|`	`i've never noticed limits with tinypad`
`15:47.18`	`Fisker-`	`neither have i, but then again, i've never used it.`
`15:48.10`	`Maranatha`	`I tried 'notes' and its pretty good, but has a 3000 word limit`
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`15:50.57`	Funkeh`	`hey`
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`15:52.23`	`Hjalte`	!seen ag`
`15:53.22`	Funkeh`	`you have to hug purl first`
`15:53.26`	`Fisker-`	~seen ag`
`15:53.46`	`purl`	ag` <n=ag`@0x503e796a.bynxx18.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 1d 12h 17m 59s ago, saying: 'http://sc.tri-bit.com/images/8/89/resistance.png'.
`15:53.46`	`Fisker-`	`more like that`
`15:53.46`	Funkeh`	`:p`
`15:54.45`	`Hjalte`	`Fisker: It was ! 15 min ago and now it's ~.. I don't get it..`
`15:55.02`	Funkeh`	`anyone know why theres no trace of SG-A seeason3 ep14 around? been waiting for the second half of the season (after ep10) i log on yesterday and find 11--16 but no 14 :p`
`15:55.23`	`markv`	`because someone misnamed 14 as 15`
`15:55.40`	Funkeh`	`:?`
`15:55.47`	`Fisker-`	`no`
`15:55.48`	Funkeh`	`so 16 is 15`
`15:55.56`	`Fisker-`	`the canadians sent 15 instead of 14`
`15:56.05`	`markv`	`yes, at least if you follow ethe weekly releases properly that have been coming off of movie central.`
`15:56.12`	Funkeh`	`so they are just skipping 14 then?`
`15:56.29`	`markv`	`but there really is no way too 100% verify it as scifi hasn't released info guide for the 2nd half of the season.`
`15:56.53`	Funkeh`	`meh`
`15:56.57`	`markv`	`and canada is the only country currently showing the 2nd half of the season`
`15:57.20`	`markv`	`march 07 is when sg-a is supposed to be restarted on scifi`
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`15:57.29`	Funkeh`	`:o`
`15:58.02`	Funkeh`	`didn't know it was that long, originally i thought it was just stopped for baseball etc like prison break and whatnot`
`15:58.08`	`markv`	`nope`
`15:58.19`	`markv`	`i'm surprised bsg is only stopping until jan 07`
`15:58.30`	`markv`	`i figured they would have put in a lot long hiatus as well, since scifi likes to do that.`
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`16:02.10`	`Gnarfoz`	`which sucks`
`16:02.10`	`Gnarfoz`	`:p`
`16:02.26`	`Gnarfoz`	`what sucks even more is their plan of cancelling sg-1 at the end of the season`
`16:04.06`	`phyber`	`not cancelled, it's just doesn't have a network to be shown on.`
`16:04.20`	`phyber`	`they should be smart and release directly to the interweb.`
`16:05.39`	`Fisker-`	`Seems like they already thrown the towel in the ring`
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`16:05.57`	`waffle`	`Can I make a macro to toggle hiding of AG_UF's party frames?`
`16:06.03`	`Fisker-`	`they got a 3rd series underway and 2 movies`
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`16:06.06`	`Fisker-`	`atleast 2 movies`
`16:06.36`	`neenee`	`Can anyone tell me what 'KingOfTheJungle' does? The toc just tells me 'Hunter Addon'.`
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`16:09.57`	`Saroz`	`vhaarr, get GroupFu into trunk?`
`16:10.12`	`Gnarfoz`	`phyber: cancelled. their contract with sci-fi forbids them from showing the show on another network`
`16:10.24`	`Gnarfoz`	`at least that's what they said when it was announced`
`16:10.25`	`Gnarfoz`	`:\`
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`16:27.30`	`CIA-17`	`03pettigrow * r21682 10Babble-2.2/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Babble-2.2: frFR Update`
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`16:34.10`	`SpiffyJr`	`kergoth: You awake yet?`
`16:34.34`	`SpiffyJr`	`~seen kergoth`
`16:35.21`	`purl`	`kergoth is currently on #wowi-lounge #oe #wowace #elinux, last said: 'yeah, that rocks'.`
`16:37.26`	`Fisker-`	`who made jumpcounter btw?`
`16:37.54`	`Fisker-`	`need someone to make spitcounter for me lol`
`16:38.23`	`Fisker-`	`some mage just spat on me like 10 times because i ruined his 3 minute wonder`
`16:39.27`	`kenlyric\|work`	`jumpcounter would be awesome.`
`16:39.34`	`kenlyric\|work`	`though less so now that I'm not a night elf anymore.`
`16:41.43`	`Feidan`	`There's a jumpcounter+`
`16:42.48`	`renchap`	`<= author of jumpcounter`
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`16:43.27`	`Fisker-`	`you would be the coolest author if you made a spitcounter :P`
`16:43.49`	`renchap`	`i think i will add some things, as a kisscounter`
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`16:46.53`	`Kemayo`	`Hjalte: You were looking for me?`
`16:47.08`	`Hjalte`	`Kemayo, yea, just a min`
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`16:52.56`	`Saroz`	`vhaarr, ping`
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`16:54.04`	`bjoernz`	`hi guys, where can i find a newer release of ACE than ACE 1.3.1? (not beta)`
`16:54.12`	`Saroz`	`dont`
`16:54.13`	`bjoernz`	`http://www.wowace.com/wiki/Ace does not seem to be up to date!?`
`16:54.30`	`Elkano`	`do not want`
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`16:55.47`	Funkeh``	`bjoernz: read the motd`
`16:56.03`	`Kirkburn`	`bjoernz, sorry, how is it not up to date?`
`16:56.51`	`nevcairiel`	`try Ace2`
`16:56.51`	`nevcairiel`	`:D`
`16:56.56`	`bjoernz`	`the links to the ace patch submission forum and ace development discussion forum lead to a 404`
`16:56.57`	`nevcairiel`	`http://www.wowace.com/wiki/Ace2`
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`16:57.21`	`bjoernz`	`ok, i'll try ace2`
`16:57.25`	`bjoernz`	`thanks`
`16:57.48`	Funkeh``	`read after that`
`16:58.44`	`CIA-17`	`03saroz * r21683 10sRaidFrames/sRaidFrames.lua: sRaidFrames: Move buff status to BuffGained`
`16:59.49`	`Saroz`	`I'm gonna fix PerfectTargets soon`
`16:59.55`	`Saroz`	`it's a god damn memory sucking bitch`
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`17:01.22`	Funkeh``	`lol`
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`17:01.55`	`Saroz`	`it is -.-`
`17:03.28`	Funkeh``	`took you long enough`
`17:04.36`	`Soulless`	`luaslinger is the shit`
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`17:09.42`	`Amadeo`	`Anyone use Fruityloots?`
`17:10.28`	`neenee`	`me`
`17:10.59`	`Amadeo`	`Do you notice that Fruityloots causes strange Warmup numbers in either itself or other addons?`
`17:11.11`	`neenee`	`I do not use warmup, so I do not.`
`17:11.27`	`Amadeo`	`Hm`
`17:12.47`	`[dRaCo]`	`hey saroz, has sRaidFrames got a debug mode?`
`17:12.58`	`Silv`	`is there a way to get beyond the 255 character macro limit, without having to chain macros together using /click and put them on actionbars?`
`17:13.37`	`Azurewrath`	`mhm.. guildie who doesn't use FuBar disabled the oRA2 FuBar-Plugin.. how can he get it back? /ora icon didn't work`
`17:13.42`	`Ordog`	`which addon for itemlink creation would you recommend?`
`17:14.03`	`Ordog`	`forgot the name -.-`
`17:15.11`	`Azurewrath`	`Ludwig`
`17:15.39`	`neenee`	`. /ora hide - toggles hide/show`
`17:15.58`	`neenee`	`he can just do /ora to see the options though`
`17:16.11`	`Azurewrath`	`d'oh.. just found it.. thanks anyway`
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`17:16.52`	`Soulless`	`any bartender3 authors here?`
`17:17.29`	`Soulless`	`if somebody could add a framelevel -+ thing to dewdrop i'd prob never use another action bar mod`
`17:18.03`	`Soulless`	`currently, all the non action bar things are lower than the buttons, and empty buttons don;t :Hide() so you can't click things behind them`
`17:21.55`	`Saroz`	`[dRaCo], nope`
`17:22.34`	`DrZoot`	`has anyone heard anything about a keylogger on curse/ui.worldofwarcraft ?`
`17:23.35`	`[dRaCo]`	`pity`
`17:24.16`	`[dRaCo]`	`would love to find out where that stupid bug comes from`
`17:24.44`	`DrZoot`	`my guild chat just went spastic with "the world is falling" style talk because apparently curse and ui.wow have a keylogger on them`
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`17:25.00`	`[Cu]Werik`	`Where do we have a keylogger?`
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`17:25.22`	`CIA-17`	`03saroz * r21684 10PerfectTargets/ (Core.lua Libs/ PerfectTargets.toc TargetFrame.lua):`
`17:25.22`	`CIA-17`	`PerfectTargets:`
`17:25.22`	`CIA-17`	`- Nolonger a memory sucking bitch`
`17:25.22`	`CIA-17`	`- Remove metro and compost`
`17:25.44`	`DrZoot`	`i have no idea, it came from the general forums apparently so its probably bs, im having trouble getting any more information out of the person`
`17:26.09`	`[Cu]Werik`	`sigh`
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`17:26.33`	`renchap`	`http://www.worldofraids.com/v2/`
`17:26.36`	`renchap`	`more infos here`
`17:26.56`	`Barbanus`	`ROFL, great reply from a CM on the forums "I'm not sure how many fixes went in, but the one that required an immediate restart had nothing to do with snowballs, and everything to do with a warrior being able to punch someone in the face for twenty million damage."`
`17:26.57`	`Codayus`	`Was just posting that. :-)`
`17:27.15`	`Codayus`	`The worldofraids link, that is`
`17:27.24`	`Codayus`	`Barbanus: Hmm, interesting.`
`17:27.24`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`DRZoot - yes, there were keyloggers on both worldofwar and Curse.`
`17:27.27`	`Kirkburn`	`No, CG nor Worldofwar have keyloggers as of today`
`17:27.42`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`should be gone, but there was a big fuss about it yesterday.`
`17:27.43`	`Barbanus`	`Codayus, yea, there was a rampage bug`
`17:27.49`	`[Cu]Werik`	`No there there werent ZealotOnAStick`
`17:28.09`	`Codayus`	`Barbanus: Oh? Know any details?`
`17:28.36`	`Barbanus`	`Codayus, yea, you go outside an instance, duel someone, crit them, pop rampage, zone into an instance, zone out, repeat.`
`17:28.45`	`Barbanus`	`It would stack in infinate amount of times`
`17:28.54`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Well, there's a bunch of folks you'll have trouble convincing otherwise, [Cu]Werik.`
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`17:29.24`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`http://www.worldofraids.com/v2/`
`17:29.27`	`Barbanus`	`Codayus, http://files.filefront.com//;6392187;;/`
`17:29.49`	`snurre`	`lol, 3rd epic today`
`17:29.58`	`CIA-17`	`03saroz * r21685 10PerfectTargets/Core.lua: PerfectTargets: Small fixie`
`17:29.59`	`Barbanus`	`It was hotfixed last night, so I don't mind talking about it :P`
`17:30.31`	`Codayus`	`Barbanus: Cool`
`17:31.01`	`Codayus`	`[Cu]Werik: Someone who claimed to work for Curse gaming said the infected file had been removed. Assuming he wasn't a nefarious imposter, that's fairly good evidencce. <shrug>`
`17:31.21`	`KarlThePagan`	`has anyone tried interacting with the new LFG system yet?`
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`17:31.59`	`KarlThePagan`	`i mean interacting in the API/lua sense`
`17:32.02`	`[Cu]Werik`	`Well, I don't know about any keyloggers on Curse . Though, it is possible that I missed something`
`17:32.06`	`phyber`	`KarlThePagan: if someone could make it not suck, that would be nice :)`
`17:32.12`	`[Cu]Werik`	`Who said that Codayus?:)`
`17:32.22`	`Barbanus`	`[Cu]Werik maybe an addon with a keylogger in it?`
`17:32.24`	`Codayus`	`Someone claiming to be Nimloth.`
`17:32.24`	`renchap`	`there was keylogger in fake addons`
`17:32.35`	`Codayus`	`http://www.worldofraids.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=19010#19010`
`17:32.42`	`renchap`	`html pages with js, that install a keylogger`
`17:32.48`	`Codayus`	`Obviously, anyone could register the name. <shrug>`
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`17:33.00`	`[Cu]Werik`	`hm`
`17:33.32`	`[Cu]Werik`	`I love being left out from things like these :P`
`17:33.35`	`Codayus`	`:-)`
`17:34.05`	`DrZoot`	`Do you work with/for curse-gaming Werik? (just out of interest)`
`17:34.25`	`[Cu]Werik`	`As far as I know, I'm the addon section administrator:P`
`17:34.40`	`DrZoot`	`haha`
`17:34.59`	`Barbanus`	`It looks like it was embedded in an ad.`
`17:35.47`	Funkeh`	`hmm`
`17:36.08`	Funkeh`	`the latest beta content patch has changed the toc`
`17:38.15`	Funkeh`	`anyone know the toc?`
`17:38.33`	`nevcairiel`	`20300 ?`
`17:38.36`	`nevcairiel`	`dunno`
`17:38.37`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`20003`
`17:38.41`	`nevcairiel`	`ah`
`17:38.54`	Funkeh`	`20003? you sure? thats unusual`
`17:39.00`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Yes.`
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`17:39.14`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`ck was wtfing over it when he ran the framexml diff`
`17:39.25`	Funkeh`	`get get a link?`
`17:39.29`	Funkeh`	`he get*`
`17:39.50`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`link for?`
`17:39.54`	Funkeh`	`diff`
`17:40.07`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`it was on ace.pastey at one time.`
`17:40.13`	Funkeh`	`:/`
`17:40.18`	`nevcairiel`	`my addonkit is broken`
`17:40.22`	`Hjalte`	`Account Security Warning: Addon Websites infected with keyloggers - Read more on www.worldofraids.com`
`17:40.25`	`nevcairiel`	`doesnt detect the bc beta install path`
`17:40.39`	`Hjalte`	`Curse was hit too, [cu]werik :)`
`17:40.40`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`I believe he did it the diff himself, someone else gave him one from the addonkit right as I was doing the same for him.`
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`17:41.05`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`I saw it myself though, in Blizzard_InspectUI`
`17:41.28`	`[Cu]Werik`	`doh`
`17:41.34`	`[Cu]Werik`	`I'm pissed now`
`17:41.54`	`Dekuna`	`some update i did this morning totally broke BT3`
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`17:43.38`	`Tornhoof`	`btw, copying your pw from textfiles using some funny backspace combination won't help against a keylogger, since some people suggested that in some forums, neither does any hardware auth`
`17:44.10`	`axxo`	`ppl are dumb accept it, move on`
`17:44.49`	`phreaky`	`should be one passw to start wow, then the other pass can be saved between sessions :)`
`17:44.57`	`sbu`	`huh?`
`17:45.00`	`sbu`	`addon webseites infected?`
`17:45.05`	`sbu`	`using browser exploit?`
`17:45.26`	`sbu`	`oh...`
`17:45.53`	`*** join/#wowace Matrix110 (i=bla@pD957DF04.dip.t-dialin.net)`
`17:45.54`	`Kirkburn`	`Not anymore don't worry`
`17:46.09`	`Tornhoof`	`not the first time and certainly not the last time either`
`17:46.14`	`Kirkburn`	`Hackers managing to get it onto the CG and Worldofwar servers :/`
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`17:46.43`	`[Cu]Werik`	`You can't prevent that happening`
`17:46.48`	`[Cu]Werik`	`they find a way anyway`
`17:47.08`	`ckknight_`	`hey all`
`17:47.08`	`Tornhoof`	`ya`
`17:47.08`	`ckknight_`	`back`
`17:47.17`	`Kirkburn`	`lo ckk`
`17:47.57`	`[Cu]Werik`	`but you can reduce the damage they can do`
`17:48.24`	`*** join/#wowace PProvost (n=PProvost@pool-71-112-36-154.sttlwa.dsl-w.verizon.net)`
`17:48.24`	`*** mode/#wowace [+v PProvost] by ChanServ`
`17:48.30`	`Kirkburn`	`Indeed`
`17:49.23`	`PProvost`	`'Morning everyone`
`17:49.45`	`kergoth`	`dont remind me`
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`17:50.09`	`[Cu]Werik`	`sheeps has 14 hp, rabbits 1hp and rats 8hp`
`17:50.24`	`[Cu]Werik`	`and I have too much free time`
`17:50.32`	`ckknight`	`lol`
`17:50.34`	`Dekuna`	`cows have 5 i think`
`17:50.49`	`ckknight`	`nah, cows have a bit`
`17:50.53`	`[Cu]Werik`	`squirrels have 8 as well`
`17:51.01`	`PProvost`	`At what point in the raid progression does BigWigs become useful? MC? Or is it useful for the lower 5-10 man runs?`
`17:51.17`	Funkeh`	`mc`
`17:51.19`	`Dekuna`	`ZG and AQ20 both have modules`
`17:51.19`	`kergoth`	`MC`
`17:51.27`	Funkeh`	`we don't add 1-0 man stuff etc`
`17:51.30`	Funkeh`	`10*`
`17:51.33`	`kergoth`	`true, zg and aq20 its definately useful in, not the 5-10`
`17:51.40`	`PProvost`	`Cool`
`17:51.40`	Funkeh`	`usually anything thats on a reset timer`
`17:51.41`	`PProvost`	`Thanks`
`17:51.48`	`PProvost`	`Gotcha`
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`17:53.03`	`waffle`	`anyone know if there's a way to hide the party frames of AG_UF with a macro?`
`17:54.30`	`kergoth`	`yay, i have bugs to fix at work`
`17:54.37`	`kergoth`	`no more sitting here half falling asleep all day`
`17:56.00`	`beerke`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`17:57.30`	`Amadeo`	`kergoth: haha`
`17:58.09`	`alcaras`	`anyone else have a problem with not all fubar plugins showing up on load in tbc?`
`17:58.36`	`alcaras`	`they load and have check marks next to them`
`17:58.38`	`alcaras`	`but don't _show_`
`17:58.38`	`cncfanatics`	`yo PProvost`
`17:58.39`	`Benumbed`	`I was having problem on live`
`17:58.44`	`cncfanatics`	`any progress on WAU for linux ? :p`
`17:58.49`	`PProvost`	`hey cncfanatics`
`17:58.50`	`Benumbed`	`for me it was prat`
`17:59.04`	`Benumbed`	`unchecked prat, and reloaded and it fixed itself`
`17:59.09`	`PProvost`	`You tell me... :)`
`17:59.16`	`alcaras`	`Benumbed: did you post a bug report on forums?`
`17:59.25`	`Benumbed`	`no, not yet`
`17:59.36`	`Benumbed`	`I also noticed that prat is in fubar list twice`
`17:59.48`	`Benumbed`	`I am guessing thats why its causing the prob`
`17:59.51`	`alcaras`	`aye, it is for me too`
`18:00.11`	`alcaras`	`thanks for the heads up`
`18:00.15`	`alcaras`	`i'll try to post a bug for 'em`
`18:00.30`	`cncfanatics`	`PProvost, link new build ?`
`18:00.55`	`Dekuna`	`Benumbed: Prat has an internal FuBar plugin now, delete the other onew`
`18:01.25`	`Benumbed`	`doh`
`18:01.26`	`PProvost`	`Oh, I don't have any new builds of 1.6. Sorry. I'm too busy working on 2.0. You and a few others have been experimenting... I don't really have time right now to chase it.`
`18:01.26`	`Benumbed`	`kk lol`
`18:01.30`	`alcaras`	`ah that'll do it.`
`18:01.38`	`Codayus`	`Hmm`
`18:01.46`	`alcaras`	`except hrm, i don't have a prat fubar plugin i think?`
`18:01.56`	`alcaras`	`nvm`
`18:01.56`	`alcaras`	`i do`
`18:01.58`	`alcaras`	`it's under Prat_Fubar2`
`18:01.58`	`Dekuna`	`Part_Fubar2 i htink`
`18:01.58`	`Benumbed`	`prat_fubar2`
`18:02.07`	`Codayus`	`Some mod seems to have started spamming the /heal and /oom emoted automatically when I get low on health or mana. Anyone know offhand what might be doing that?`
`18:02.22`	`Dekuna`	`Codayus: do you have anything from Cosmos? that used to do it`
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`18:02.32`	`Codayus`	`Dekuna: Wash your mouth out. :-)`
`18:02.37`	`Dekuna`	`haha`
`18:02.46`	`alcaras`	`thanks Dekuna!`
`18:02.46`	`kergoth`	`Codayus: automaton gained that functionality`
`18:02.49`	`kergoth`	`imo it should be defaulted disabled if it isnt already`
`18:02.49`	`Barbanus`	`kergoth, what kind of software do you work on at work?`
`18:02.50`	`Codayus`	`Ah`
`18:02.51`	`alcaras`	`that fixed that annoying problem`
`18:03.01`	`Codayus`	`DEFINETLY should be disabled by default`
`18:03.04`	`alcaras`	`anyone know what's causing this error? http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/7070/inflightae6.jpg`
`18:03.07`	`Dekuna`	`alcaras: np`
`18:03.11`	`weab`	`Codayus: yes. I agree`
`18:03.19`	`snurre`	`ive kicked people from my guild cause of using that autoscream crap`
`18:03.22`	`kergoth`	`Codayus: embedded linux device, qt/c++ with some buildsystems / scripting / distro work thrown in`
`18:04.06`	`Codayus`	`snurre: I've never kicked someone for that, but I'd consider it...`
`18:04.16`	`Codayus`	`Which made my spamming it during the sons phase in rag last night embarassing`
`18:04.26`	`kergoth`	`lol`
`18:04.32`	`kergoth`	`thats bad`
`18:04.35`	`beerke`	`alcaras, automaton`
`18:04.40`	`weab`	`I am amused`
`18:04.42`	`beerke`	`ooops`
`18:04.47`	`Codayus`	`:-/`
`18:04.48`	`beerke`	`snurre, automaton`
`18:05.09`	`Codayus`	`We're all clustered up so the maximum number of guildies can be annoyed by it too.`
`18:05.21`	`weab`	`it's called "whine" for a reason`
`18:05.32`	`Barbanus`	`kergoth, sounds fun :)`
`18:06.00`	`kergoth`	`not particularly, but at least i only have 2 bosses or so, not 8`
`18:06.03`	`kergoth`	`not quite office space level yet`
`18:06.11`	`Barbanus`	`You know the guy that works between the customers and the developers on office space? I'm that man.`
`18:06.11`	`weab`	`as I've said, I don't particularly like the shouting thing. but it was requested, and I can see it being occasionally useful in a bg or something :p`
`18:06.21`	`kergoth`	`hahah`
`18:06.32`	`odt`	`Barbanus: the one who broke his neck?`
`18:06.41`	`Barbanus`	`Except our customers .. are our salespeople ..`
`18:06.50`	`kergoth`	`"So you literlaly bring it down to the software people?" "Well no, my secretary does that.. or they're faxed.."`
`18:06.55`	`Barbanus`	`salespeople + developers in the same room = bad`
`18:06.59`	`kergoth`	`"What exactly do you DO here?"`
`18:06.59`	`Codayus`	`I'm happy with the feature, just it's default state that is...questionable. :-)`
`18:07.11`	`kergoth`	`weab: just default that module to disabled`
`18:07.19`	`Barbanus`	`I'm a translater :P`
`18:07.30`	`kergoth`	`hehe`
`18:07.37`	`haarm`	`Barbanus, muahaha, devs and sales together is gonna be warfare :D`
`18:07.44`	`kergoth`	`i've been on both sides of the fence, and i spent 3 years in tech support, i understand`
`18:08.27`	`weab`	`kergoth: yah, I plan to switch a couple of 'em to default disabled.`
`18:08.38`	`alcaras`	`where is a cartographer that works with TBC zones?`
`18:08.42`	`Hjalte`	`Pastamancer: I receive this error whenever i join a raid (Actually 4 errors, but they all look somewhat similar, but not quite) http://ace.pastey.net/3863`
`18:08.50`	`kergoth`	`hmm, how do you default it to disabled anyway? i presume its just a value of a certain name in the defaults table`
`18:08.58`	`kergoth`	`alcaras: hm?`
`18:09.03`	`kergoth`	`cart works fine in tbc zones`
`18:09.21`	`alcaras`	`it's giving an error with inflight`
`18:09.29`	`alcaras`	`b/c inflight is trying to import notes from tbc zones`
`18:09.55`	`kergoth`	`its worked fine with inflight in the past, prior to this latest patch, havent tested it after`
`18:09.58`	`kergoth`	`i presume something changed`
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`18:10.17`	`alcaras`	`kergoth: http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=2529.msg68439#msg68439`
`18:10.25`	`Barbanus`	`haarm, yea ... salespeople talking about CPMs, CPCs, Campaigns, etc (online ad sales terms), and then the developers talking about controllers, models, filters and views :P`
`18:10.37`	`Barbanus`	`Oh, and name that framework :P`
`18:10.51`	`pastamancer`	`Hjalte: if it's like 816 of SecureTemplates.lua, I don't want to hear about it`
`18:10.56`	`pastamancer`	`s/like/line/`
`18:11.10`	`kergoth`	`inflight should not be poking into the internals of a cart db period, its prone to breakage if the format ever changes`
`18:11.13`	`Hjalte`	`Pastamancer: Umm. Yea it is..`
`18:11.27`	`alcaras`	`kergoth: migth want to post that in that thread is guess :-/`
`18:11.36`	`alcaras`	`i guess i'll just release this alcui without inflight`
`18:11.39`	`haarm`	`and then you get the sales people talking about all the "features" it would be great if the product had, without havn't any real concept of how those features could be implemented, only how good it would sound if they could tell customers that the product had those features`
`18:11.41`	`alcaras`	`should be error free`
`18:11.52`	`kergoth`	`any idea what 'zone' was at that point, where the error happened?`
`18:11.59`	`haarm`	`haven't = having`
`18:12.09`	`Barbanus`	`haarm, haha exactly.`
`18:12.12`	`alcaras`	`happened in Shattrath City and Bloodmyst`
`18:12.20`	`kergoth`	`thats odd`
`18:12.30`	`Barbanus`	`haarm, I stand in the middle of that gap :P`
`18:12.32`	`kergoth`	`just a few days ago i had inflight notes in shattrath city just fine`
`18:12.54`	`*** join/#wowace Peri (n=Crim@xtreme-10-191.dyn.aci.on.ca)`
`18:12.57`	`haarm`	`I sit at home and freelance`
`18:13.00`	`pastamancer`	`Hjalte: do you actually read the Grid thread on the forums?`
`18:13.06`	`ckknight`	`woohoo, Cartographer is #2 for Top Rated`
`18:13.19`	`Peri`	`that's cause cartographer is a kickass mod`
`18:13.22`	`kergoth`	`ckknight: sweet`
`18:13.26`	`Hjalte`	`Pastamancer: Yes i do.. I'll go read it again now.`
`18:13.27`	`kergoth`	`grats :)`
`18:13.29`	`haarm`	`you know the best bit about cartographer ... those coloured dots with numbers in`
`18:13.30`	`pastamancer`	`Hjalte: http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=2525.msg67257#msg67257 http://www.wowace.com/wiki/Grid/FAQ`
`18:13.31`	`Codayus`	`It is.`
`18:13.49`	`weab`	`haarm: and the flashy incombat thing.`
`18:13.50`	`ckknight`	`haarm, hehe. I still need the WMO info. Then I'll be able to shrink size immensely.`
`18:13.57`	`Hjalte`	`Pastamancer: I see. Sorry :)`
`18:13.57`	`haarm`	`what flashy in combat thing?`
`18:14.09`	`alcaras`	`kergoth: i have no inflight notes at all`
`18:14.14`	`weab`	`they blink red if the person is in combat`
`18:14.17`	`alcaras`	`kergoth: fresh install`
`18:14.19`	`ckknight`	`haarm, oh, if you're in a raid and raid members are in combat, they'll blink red`
`18:14.21`	`ckknight`	`good for BGs`
`18:14.36`	`alcaras`	`also, is there a Cartographer_Herbalism.lua compiled file?`
`18:14.43`	`kergoth`	`compiled?`
`18:14.44`	`ckknight`	`compiled?`
`18:14.47`	`haarm`	`i like it for "oi fuckheads, I told group X to go to XYZ"`
`18:15.03`	`kergoth`	`haarm: hehe, its great for that in ab`
`18:15.19`	`CIA-17`	`03neriak * r21686 10Fence/ (Core.lua modules/Fence_AutoFill.lua):`
`18:15.19`	`CIA-17`	`Fence:`
`18:15.19`	`CIA-17`	`- fixed "attempt to index local 'db' nil value" when auto-buy is disabled and auto-fill is enabled`
`18:15.22`	`kergoth`	`and also when i wasnt paying attention and so dont know where i should be going, so i can look at where everyone else is :)`
`18:15.43`	`haarm`	`what's Fence all about ?`
`18:15.58`	`alcaras`	`not compiled as in compiler, but compiled as in all the herb nodes in it`
`18:15.59`	`kergoth`	`haarm: collection of auction house bits`
`18:16.04`	`alcaras`	`ala the mining one circling around`
`18:16.22`	`haarm`	`so it does actually mean the rogueish kind of fence :P`
`18:16.27`	`kergoth`	`just import the gather.reet.org ones and share that or so`
`18:16.29`	`kergoth`	`haarm: indeed`
`18:16.43`	`kergoth`	`ckknight: you see http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=2529.msg68439#msg68439 ? it strikes me as bad that inflight is poking into the pois directly like that`
`18:16.59`	`Codayus`	`I think some people posted the gather.reet.org one on the Cartographerthread`
`18:17.03`	`Codayus`	`Already.`
`18:17.34`	`alcaras`	`Codayus: ok, i'll have to dig around in there`
`18:18.23`	`LLoydBates`	`inflight and cartographer doesnt play nice .. i always get ""InFligt" no registred DB" when talking to a flightmaster`
`18:18.33`	`Codayus`	`http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=2951.msg68008#msg68008`
`18:18.38`	`Codayus`	`alcaras: there you go`
`18:18.55`	`Hjalte`	`LLoydBates: You can always try Fubar_Tofu :)`
`18:18.56`	`alcaras`	`thanks!`
`18:19.09`	`alcaras`	`Hjalte: wtb screenshot tofu`
`18:19.32`	`alcaras`	`none on the wiki page :(`
`18:19.39`	`LLoydBates`	`Hjalte: does FuBar_ToFu have a nice shiny bar? ^^`
`18:20.04`	`weab`	`it's got a number`
`18:20.08`	`weab`	`more useful than a bar`
`18:20.12`	`LLoydBates`	`need bar + number`
`18:20.22`	`kergoth`	`tofu does have a bar, it can hook into ocd or ocb, no?`
`18:20.25`	`Iceroth`	`it can hook to oCD for example to display the ba`
`18:20.29`	`Hjalte`	`Tofu can hook into bigwigs, ocd, chronometer, ocb and the regular bar i think.. Not sure though.`
`18:20.49`	`Kemayo`	`It's not hooking into oCB any more. The API went away.`
`18:20.51`	`LLoydBates`	`ok, i'll replace InFlight after this bg here..`
`18:21.05`	`LLoydBates`	`what? now does it "have a bar" or not ...`
`18:22.00`	`Barbanus`	`Can sRaidFrames glow like bright red when a player needs decurse/cleanse?`
`18:22.08`	`Hjalte`	`LLoydbates - does inflight have it's very own bar? oO`
`18:22.09`	`Kemayo`	`It doesn't have a bar itself. But if you use some other addons that do bars well, it will show in them.`
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`18:22.29`	`LLoydBates`	`Hjalte: well .. it creates a bar using oCB framework`
`18:22.31`	`Kemayo`	`Hjalte: InFlight, in response to oCB's API going away, inlined much of oCB.`
`18:22.54`	`Hjalte`	`Ah. Okay.`
`18:23.46`	`Kemayo`	`I may do that myself, honestly. Bars are pretty.`
`18:23.55`	`LLoydBates`	`Barbanus: yes, you can disable alpha for debuffcolors`
`18:24.38`	`LLoydBates`	`then you will have a bright color`
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`18:26.00`	`CIA-17`	`03chinkuwaila * r21687 10Cartographer/Modules/InstanceNotes/deDE.lua: Cartographer/Modules/InstanceNotes/deDE.lua - updated deDE localization`
`18:27.12`	`waffle`	`the new cartographer red blinky thing rules so much`
`18:28.46`	`Kinkx`	`Yea, its like Battlefield Commander, just for the worldmap ^^`
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`18:28.54`	`alcaras`	`red blinky thing?`
`18:29.17`	`Kinkx`	`when people are taking damage/in combat`
`18:29.48`	`Kinkx`	`It shows it by flashing their circle red on the map`
`18:30.13`	`LLoydBates`	`yes, i love that ^^`
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`18:31.38`	`abyssichate`	`http://forums.patchtimer.org/images/uploads/notxjack-1069425.jpg`
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`18:39.51`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`ckknight - how goes progress on getting maps out of blizz's own files for Carto?`
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`18:49.52`	`ckknight`	`ZealotOnAStick, I need a way to parse the WMO files`
`18:49.54`	`ckknight`	`that's all`
`18:52.38`	`pastamancer`	`ckknight: http://wowdev.org/wiki/index.php/WMO ?`
`18:53.05`	`ckknight`	`hey, it's up today`
`18:53.59`	`CIA-17`	`03chinkuwaila * r21688 10Cartographer_Mining/addon.lua: Cartographer_Mining - deDE localization checked`
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`18:56.26`	`lhunath`	`Prat, for the past few weeks even in the current rev has this bug: http://pastebin.ca/287733`
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`18:58.15`	`Fisker-`	`wouldn't that be a problem in palschattab?`
`18:58.53`	`SoLoR`	`lhunath prat has his own chattab module...`
`18:59.02`	`SoLoR`	`they probably screw eachother up :>`
`19:00.16`	`SoLoR`	`so remove pals or disable prat module...`
`19:00.17`	`lhunath`	`hmm. Will try`
`19:00.27`	`axxo`	`lhunath: nubcake :P`
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`19:01.25`	`lhunath`	`then pals ought to be fixed/depricated -_-`
`19:01.59`	`lhunath`	`or whatever action is best suited to the the cause of the error ;x`
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`19:02.13`	`Cide`	`is the author of GMail around?`
`19:03.14`	`Srosh`	`~seen grennon`
`19:03.23`	`purl`	`grennon <n=jeramy@user-0cdv8vd.cable.mindspring.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 61d 19h 1m 19s ago, saying: 'and i used it to do some of the work serious buff timers was doing with formatting'.`
`19:03.24`	`Fisker-`	`Grennon hasn't been around for a long time`
`19:03.24`	`Fisker-`	`:(`
`19:03.40`	`Xuerian`	`Aww. =(`
`19:03.41`	`Srosh`	`and he kinda "dropped" GMail as he currently doesn't have the time for it`
`19:03.47`	`Cide`	`Srosh: is someone maintaining it?`
`19:03.57`	`Fisker-`	`look in the commitnotes`
`19:04.16`	`Cide`	`and where can I do that?`
`19:04.26`	`Cide`	`I need to strangle someone`
`19:04.41`	`Xuerian`	`Your code get forked, cide? :)`
`19:04.41`	`Srosh`	`http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=1727.msg65997#msg65997`
`19:04.49`	`Cide`	`"forked"? no`
`19:05.01`	`Fisker-`	`grennon made the last change in the commit so :(`
`19:05.08`	`Cide`	`it's not forked`
`19:05.12`	`Cide`	`it's copied`
`19:05.16`	`Codayus`	`No change to the code though, I think...hm.`
`19:05.18`	`Xuerian`	`Well, you could strangle yourself.`
`19:05.20`	`Xuerian`	`Or a chicken...`
`19:05.41`	`Xuerian`	`Ah well`
`19:05.48`	`Xuerian`	`No time for a good ol' fight at the moment =(`
`19:05.55`	`Xuerian`	`Sorry Cide ^_^`
`19:05.56`	`Cide`	`it's a very good time`
`19:06.10`	`Codayus`	`Looks like the last person to modify the code was...solor?`
`19:06.21`	`Xuerian`	`It is, but I don't have time. Come back tonight. I've got to be in the car in ten minutes or I'll be late :)`
`19:06.22`	`Fisker-`	`yeah but that was only a localization update`
`19:06.36`	`Cide`	`I want that addon off the svn`
`19:06.54`	`Fisker-`	`heh good luck`
`19:06.59`	`Fisker-`	`but talk to KaeltenAway about that`
`19:07.23`	`Kinkx`	`Is it an exact copy?`
`19:07.24`	`Codayus`	`He did a lot of stuff in r19251 I think?`
`19:07.29`	`Cide`	`Kinkx: yes`
`19:07.45`	`Cide`	`down to the letter`
`19:07.56`	`Cide`	`so I'm demanding it be deleted`
`19:08.05`	`Kinkx`	`I prefer CT_Mailmod, since you can alt-click things to add them to the window, trade, mail, auction.. last one I just added myself though :)`
`19:08.35`	`Codayus`	`Cide: Can you give some details on what sections are copied? Just wondering when/where they got added to GMail.`
`19:08.37`	`Kinkx`	`You should add that imo, auction alt-clicking is nice :)`
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`19:08.39`	`Cide`	`you're using CT_MailMod regardless, which is why GMail is getting deleted`
`19:08.51`	`Cide`	`Codayus: the list of which things WEREN'T copied is a thousand times shorter`
`19:09.04`	`Cide`	`that weren't*`
`19:09.11`	`evl`	`Kinkx: uhm, alt-click has been in GMail for like ages? :)`
`19:09.28`	`Cide`	`no shit`
`19:09.30`	`Kinkx`	`Really? Didn't work when I tried it, and I was trying hard believe me :)`
`19:09.32`	`Cide`	`it was copied from my mod`
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`19:09.39`	`Cide`	`which has had it from the start`
`19:09.43`	`Kinkx`	`Maybe some other mod interfered.. shrug`
`19:09.46`	`Xuerian`	`Codayus: It's a direct copy of ct_mm ported to ace. Most of the code is cide's. I believe grennon said so himself`
`19:09.50`	`nevcairiel`	`grennon himself didnt commit for a long time`
`19:09.57`	`nevcairiel`	`prolly some other people hacked it in`
`19:10.03`	`Cide`	`not most of it, all of it`
`19:10.03`	`Xuerian`	`With that I leave :3`
`19:10.09`	`Fisker-`	`grennon comitted on it the 15th december`
`19:10.13`	`Codayus`	`Actually, I thought grennon said he'd coded it from scratch as an excercise? <shrug> Been a while though.`
`19:10.20`	`CIA-17`	`03kaelten * r21689 10cgProfiler/ (9 files in 4 dirs): cgProfiler - Initial Import`
`19:10.21`	`Cide`	`Codayus: let me point a few things out`
`19:10.22`	`Codayus`	`I note the alt-click code was commited by solor.`
`19:10.24`	`nevcairiel`	`Fisker-: but he only changed the .toc`
`19:10.29`	`Fisker-`	`yeah`
`19:10.34`	`Cide`	`MAIL_HELP = L["Fill in as many slots as you want. Each item will be sent in a separate mail to the recipient, with the subject you specify, followed by the item's name and count (for example: <Subject> [Gold Bar x10]). The combined postage is shown in the top right. You can alt-click on items in your bags to add them to the list automatically."]`
`19:10.44`	`Cide`	`CT_MAIL_HELP = "Fill in as many slots as you want. Each item will be sent in a separate mail to the recipient, with the subject you specify, followed by the item's name and count (for example: <Subject> [Gold Bar x10]). The combined postage is shown in the top right. You can alt-click on items in your bags to add them to the list automatically.";`
`19:10.55`	`Fisker-`	`has an L in it`
`19:10.57`	`Fisker-`	`:P`
`19:11.02`	`evl`	`and works in many languages`
`19:11.08`	`evl`	`and uses the ace library for lesser overhead`
`19:11.10`	`Cide`	`so does CT_MailMod. your point?`
`19:11.17`	`Fisker-`	`but why are you comparing a string anyways?`
`19:11.17`	`Cide`	`OH MY GOD`
`19:11.23`	`Fisker-`	`If you had written it already i would've copied it too`
`19:11.30`	`Cide`	`evl: that's extremely, extremely false`
`19:11.38`	`Cide`	`Fisker-: that was easy to paste. hold on.`
`19:11.57`	`nevcairiel`	`that phrase got added in 19251 by solor`
`19:11.58`	`nevcairiel`	`blame him`
`19:12.02`	`Codayus`	`Cide: The line you pasted was added by solor.`
`19:12.07`	`Codayus`	`Doh, nevcairiel beat me to it.`
`19:12.13`	`Cide`	`that doesn't matter`
`19:12.18`	`evl`	`uh`
`19:12.20`	`Cide`	`that addon is getting deleted`
`19:12.24`	`nevcairiel`	`just that you dont blame poor grennon :P`
`19:12.25`	`evl`	`good luck with that`
`19:12.28`	`Fisker-`	`i agree`
`19:12.31`	`Codayus`	`Yeah, good luck with that.`
`19:12.36`	`Fisker-`	`He's gonna send the internet police on us :(`
`19:12.39`	`Fisker-`	`brb fbi`
`19:12.41`	`Cide`	`how so? it's my IP`
`19:12.43`	`Cide`	`http://pastey.net/3866`
`19:12.47`	`Cide`	`how's that for copying?`
`19:12.51`	`Codayus`	`Getting it reverted to a version without your copied code...yeah, I can see that.`
`19:12.57`	`evl`	`You're in a community channel talking about IP`
`19:12.59`	`SoLoR`	`ye i made gmail work with 2.0 and added return selected`
`19:13.00`	`Codayus`	`And if it's ALWAYS been always your copied code...then maybe.`
`19:13.01`	`evl`	`Sorry but my retard alarm just went off`
`19:13.04`	`SoLoR`	`notthing more tho`
`19:13.08`	`SoLoR`	`changed some hooks etc`
`19:13.13`	`SoLoR`	`what was needed`
`19:13.28`	`Fisker-`	`don't even care about gmail or ct_mailmod (bulkmail ftw) but this is indeed funny`
`19:13.35`	`SoLoR`	`since grennon said he doesnt hame time for it`
`19:13.41`	`SoLoR`	`*have`
`19:13.43`	`Fisker-`	`infact i might just wipe us on anub for this`
`19:14.07`	`Cide`	`Fisker-: what's funny is the idiocy that is the ace mentality`
`19:14.11`	`Mikk`	`SoLoR: but "return selected" doesn't return items, it seems :<`
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`19:14.16`	`Fisker-`	`i have nothing to do with ace`
`19:14.16`	`Srosh`	`uh-oh`
`19:14.33`	`Fisker-`	`so my comments are irrelevant`
`19:14.34`	`KaeltenAway`	`hrm, are we playing taunt the famous author or do I miss somehting?`
`19:14.42`	`Fisker-`	`i think so`
`19:14.42`	`evl`	`I think Grennon is getting sued`
`19:14.47`	`Cide`	`KaeltenAway: delete GMail from the SVN please`
`19:14.55`	`Fisker-`	`He wants GMail deleted cause it's a ripoff of ct_mailmod`
`19:15.02`	`Fisker-`	`or we're getting sued, internet police, brb fbi, etc.`
`19:15.16`	`Cide`	`I haven't said that`
`19:15.17`	`Kinkx`	`Well it is kind of shady to just copy a mod and "converting" it to ace without asking for permission`
`19:15.21`	`Cide`	`I'm simply demanding it be deleted`
`19:15.37`	`evl`	`Yes, repeating that over and over on IRC will do just that`
`19:15.37`	`Cide`	`not shady, it's illegal`
`19:15.53`	`Saroz`	`gogo diff -u`
`19:16.05`	`Fisker-`	`I'm not gonna argue wether or not it's ripped off, if it should be deleted or not`
`19:16.05`	`kergoth`	`its one thing if an addon is converted to ace in the process of rewriting it to actually improve it, ace being incidental, its quite another to just copy the code`
`19:16.05`	`Cide`	`I'm sure kaelten will agree with me even though you don't, evl`
`19:16.16`	`Fisker-`	`I'm only commenting the attitude`
`19:16.33`	`KaeltenAway`	`fun stuff to wake up to in the morning`
`19:16.38`	`[dRaCo]`	`hey guys, I've got a weird problem with ora2`
`19:16.42`	`Cide`	`Fisker-: if you look at other things you'd know I'm normally not this hostile`
`19:16.43`	`CIA-17`	`03kaelten * r21690 10cgProfiler/libs/: cgProfiler - adding libs folder`
`19:16.48`	`Cide`	`but copying my code? no`
`19:16.55`	`[dRaCo]`	`can't set a specific player as player target`
`19:16.59`	`Fisker-`	`i don't see you a lot in here :)`
`19:17.05`	`[dRaCo]`	`it's just him, all other work`
`19:17.07`	`Cide`	`and the fact that you support it makes me sick to my stomach`
`19:17.09`	`Amadeo`	`If someone ripped parts of the code and put them in, and the rest is unique to GMail, I'm not sure the whole addon should be deleted because of it...but if the entire addon is copied, then that's another story`
`19:17.18`	`Cide`	`Amadeo: the entire addon IS copied`
`19:17.23`	`Cide`	`that's the whole point I'm trying to make`
`19:17.29`	`Hjalte`	`[dRaCo]: Does he have special signs in his name?`
`19:17.33`	`[dRaCo]`	`nope`
`19:17.40`	`[dRaCo]`	`his name is Bahgtru`
`19:17.49`	`nevcairiel`	`its not the entire addon, the original code from grennon is his own, only what other people added after he left is copied.`
`19:18.01`	`Cide`	`nevcairiel: can you point out the original code? thank you very much.`
`19:18.03`	`nevcairiel`	`which is most of the stuff today, because it replaced older stuff`
`19:18.09`	`Amadeo`	`Cide: I'm not saying it isn't, but why all of a sudden are you noticing this? GMail has been around a long time now, and I imagine you knew about it and have looked at it before`
`19:18.11`	`nevcairiel`	`but not all`
`19:18.18`	`Codayus`	`Cide: What you've said so far indicated a recent revision copied some code from CT Mail Mod. Nothing you've said indicates there's a problem with the mod itself.`
`19:18.25`	`Fisker-`	`never said i supported it btw`
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`19:18.51`	`Cide`	`Fisker-: no, but your attitude certainly doesn't indicate the opposite, does it?`
`19:18.59`	`Amadeo`	`I mean, no matter what happens, it doesn't hurt me, so I don't really care, I'm just curious :)`
`19:19.00`	`Mikk`	`Bah if it's a ripoff to the extent that removing ctmail code makes it non-operational and cide doesn't want ripoffs... rm -rf`
`19:19.03`	`Cide`	`Amadeo: that's irrelevant`
`19:19.14`	`kergoth`	`blaming the actions of one individual on the "ace mentality" is just blanket idiocy, and i can see why fisker was upset by it.`
`19:19.19`	`Fisker-`	`same as your attitude you could say`
`19:19.20`	`Codayus`	`Yep`
`19:19.43`	`Codayus`	`The ace mentality crack was a bit out of line...`
`19:19.45`	`[dRaCo]`	`anything I can do about that?`
`19:19.55`	`kergoth`	`when you decide to be a bit more logical about the situation, maybe people will start giving a shit`
`19:20.00`	`Cide`	`kergoth: yes, that's true. sorry for that`
`19:20.17`	`Mikk`	`oh and find out what tard is copy&pasting code into the ace SVN and spank their fingers :>`
`19:20.20`	`Amadeo`	`Cide: I imagine there's more of a reason for it if you claim it's irrelevant :)`
`19:20.21`	`Cide`	`what I was commenting on was evl's comment`
`19:20.28`	`evl`	`Well seriously`
`19:20.31`	`evl`	`I care about performance`
`19:20.35`	`evl`	`CT_Library is 53k`
`19:20.44`	`Cide`	`evl: can you back up your statement then?`
`19:20.47`	`evl`	`if I can run Gmail without an extra huge ass library I'll do that`
`19:20.54`	`Cide`	`no no`
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`19:20.57`	`kergoth`	`static memory usage is not a performance problem.`
`19:21.00`	`kergoth`	`for one thing`
`19:21.05`	`Cide`	`let me paste your comment`
`19:21.12`	`Cide`	`<evl> and uses the ace library for lesser overhead`
`19:21.21`	`Cide`	`what you're saying is that using a library is faster than accessing a global??????`
`19:21.50`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Cide - I'm not weighing on either side here (I still use CT_MailMod, as the only CT mod I still used, FYI), but things like "no, but your attitude certainly doesn't indicate the opposite, does it?" is sort of harshly confrontational. "Either you're with me or you're against me."`
`19:21.54`	`evl`	`Hey, I'm not expert but most ace replacement addons make my memory usage go down :)`
`19:21.55`	`Cide`	`a global is a table lookup. by putting it in a table you already have your global lookup`
`19:22.06`	Funkeh`	`can you clean up the channel a bit ..`
`19:22.20`	`Cide`	`evl: perhaps you should remain quiet and let the people that know how things work do their stuff`
`19:22.23`	Funkeh`	`if you wanna argue about what mod is better join #care`
`19:22.30`	`kergoth`	`evl: thats due to the developer coding the addon, not a result of ace itself`
`19:22.36`	`KarlThePagan`	`Cide, there are issues with growing the size of a table... this is probably minimal tho`
`19:22.44`	`kergoth`	`and clearly gmail isnt one of those cases, if its just a copy`
`19:22.49`	Funkeh`	`this channel isn't to boast about about the greatness of ace`
`19:23.04`	`ckknight`	`it's not?`
`19:23.04`	`Cide`	Funkeh`: I'm not arguing about which mod is better. I'm demanding a mod be deleted, as I've said at least 5 times now
`19:23.11`	`Cide`	`ckknight: prove it.`
`19:23.14`	`Amadeo`	`I'd be more interested in knowing who copied the code and when it was placed within GMail`
`19:23.17`	`Cide`	`give me a diff.`
`19:23.36`	`Cide`	`I quote, "I just got through tearing CT_Mailmod to shreds, putting it back together, and all converted to Ace2. "`
`19:23.39`	`nevcairiel`	`Amadeo: look at the svn diffs, its pretty obvious`
`19:23.40`	Funkeh`	`Cide: i have not been reading i have been playing, im guessing the mod is gmail?`
`19:23.41`	`Kaelten`	`Cide: I'm looking at the code right now.`
`19:23.52`	`Cide`	`Kaelten: two samples`
`19:23.54`	`Cide`	`http://pastey.net/3866`
`19:24.04`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`on that note, while you're in channel, are there any differences on CT_MailMod since Update 8 and 9/10?`
`19:24.08`	`Amadeo`	`nevcairiel: I'm too lazy, I just want to experience this as if I were a Jerry Springer audience member`
`19:24.16`	`Cide`	`http://pastey.net/3867`
`19:24.29`	`ckknight`	Cide, I wasn't responding to you, I was responding to Funkeh`
`19:24.34`	`Cide`	`ckknight: ah, my bad.`
`19:24.35`	Funkeh`	`i don't use ct mods so i am unaware`
`19:24.48`	`Cide`	`in the second one, some code was actually added for returning selected! gasps in amazement`
`19:25.10`	`evl`	`Here's the whole diff :)`
`19:25.11`	`evl`	`http://ace.pastey.net/3868`
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`19:25.22`	`Saroz`	`ehh`
`19:25.25`	`pastamancer`	`Kaelten: heh, look at the oder of the functions, I think I'm on Cide's side.`
`19:25.27`	`Saroz`	`unified diff`
`19:25.27`	`Saroz`	`ffs`
`19:25.51`	`Codayus`	`Kaelten: Glancing at it, appears solor's commits copied code directly. If you go back to revision um...14580, it looks pretty different.`
`19:25.54`	`KarlThePagan`	`first you need to put both pieces of code thru an obfuscator which normalizes the variable names and THEN diff them`
`19:26.04`	`ckknight`	`yea, don't steal code. That code should be changed to not infringe on Cide's copyright`
`19:26.08`	`KarlThePagan`	`that's how you show "copyright" violation`
`19:26.15`	`Cide`	`until then it should be deleted from the SVN`
`19:26.15`	`Necrathex`	`gief svn login :(`
`19:26.18`	`SoLoR`	`Codayus`
`19:26.33`	`SoLoR`	`gmail = ct_mailmod aced from hm... forever`
`19:26.35`	`Cide`	`and any other place where it might be hosted, for that matter`
`19:26.35`	`ckknight`	`also, the way GMail does its localization is crappy.`
`19:26.45`	`Fisker-`	`done on anub`
`19:26.58`	`Saroz`	`I think we can all agree it's a copy`
`19:26.58`	`Srosh`	`grats Fisker-`
`19:26.59`	`Saroz`	`right?`
`19:27.01`	`Fisker-`	`hehe`
`19:27.13`	`Fisker-`	`just because i had to come back here and finish things :P`
`19:27.34`	`Fisker-`	`Wasn't to deny your rights or anything, just find it amusing/drama/etc/whatever the way you came in the channel`
`19:27.43`	Funkeh`	`i thought GMail was supposed to be a copy of mailmod`
`19:27.47`	`Fisker-`	`so i'm sorry if you felt otherwise :P`
`19:27.49`	`Cide`	`Fisker-: that's fine and all, but where should I turn otherwise?`
`19:28.01`	`Cide`	Funkeh`: it is. which proves my point
`19:28.06`	`Fisker-`	`not that you came in here, but just the way you did it`
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`19:28.09`	`evl`	`Johnson, Johnson, Johnson & Associates!`
`19:28.12`	`Saroz`	Funkeh`, well, functionalty, not code
`19:28.23`	Funkeh`	`Cide: and your point? it was done without permission?`
`19:28.35`	`Cide`	`that's one of my points`
`19:28.38`	`Saroz`	`anyway, I don't give a flying fuck, so carry on :p`
`19:28.39`	Funkeh`	`ok`
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`19:29.09`	Funkeh`	`well if the code was directly ripped then i see why your upset`
`19:29.13`	`SoLoR`	`it was never rewriten from scratch tho :>`
`19:29.13`	`Cide`	`the other is what Saroz mentioned; the structure is copied, not the functionality`
`19:29.32`	`Cide`	`SoLoR: which is why I want it deleted`
`19:29.40`	`Stephmw`	`kergoth: hey, hey, fancy meeting you here :)`
`19:29.42`	`Saroz`	`as I said, I think everyone here can agree it's a copy`
`19:29.59`	`Fisker-`	`what about just reverting it to the revsion before SoLoR got in there?`
`19:30.01`	`Saroz`	`codewise`
`19:30.07`	`evl`	`I thought it was a copy simply because he wanted the same mod without CT_Library etc.?`
`19:30.13`	`Fisker-`	`brb`
`19:30.18`	`Cide`	`evl: that was added two weeks ago`
`19:30.24`	`Cide`	`you're clearly out of the loop`
`19:30.27`	Funkeh`	`i suggest you talk to the author and try come to some reasonable agreement`
`19:30.30`	`Amadeo`	`If it's all Cide's code, then Grennon or whoever else should have gotten Cide's permission to make the Ace version first`
`19:30.31`	`SoLoR`	`Fisker- i can show you same functions from old ct_mailmod & old gmail...`
`19:30.36`	`Cide`	Funkeh`: no need. I want it deleted
`19:30.50`	`SoLoR`	`also all msges are same...`
`19:31.01`	`KarlThePagan`	`I think an issue that needs to be covered here is the nature of the copyright under which our mods are distributed`
`19:31.08`	`SoLoR`	`already in "old" one...`
`19:31.16`	Funkeh`	`im on your side, but rip or not rip, its unreasonable to delete someones mod without permision, thats what i think anyway`
`19:31.23`	`KarlThePagan`	`Cide, I have never seen a copyright notice included with your works for one`
`19:31.39`	`hugo`	`is here the author of jump counter ? :P`
`19:31.45`	`kenlyric\|work`	`which means they fall under general copyright, just fyi.`
`19:31.46`	`Fisker-`	`well dunno then SoLoR, but deleting it completly is too much imo`
`19:31.50`	`Kemayo`	`KarlThePagan: That would mean that he retains all copyright.`
`19:31.50`	`Cide`	`KarlThePagan: in which case it defaults to 'not distributable without permission, not modifyable, etc.'`
`19:31.57`	`Fisker-`	`just getting it to a version where the "copied" code doesn't exist`
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`19:32.06`	`Kemayo`	`Well, assuming US / Berne Convention laws.`
`19:32.07`	`Fisker-`	`ofcourse if that's from day one that's a problem`
`19:32.08`	`Cide`	`Fisker-: not at all. it's a copy`
`19:32.14`	`Saroz`	`Fisker-, I wonder if thats not the same as deleting it`
`19:32.18`	`Saroz`	`exactly`
`19:32.18`	`kenlyric\|work`	`man, what a day for me to take a long lunch... time to read scrollback!`
`19:32.19`	`SoLoR`	`Fisker- with gmail & ct_mailmod i was learning differences between ace & normal mods thats how similar they are :)`
`19:32.24`	`Necrathex`	`[21-dec 17:40:51] <renchap> <= author of jumpcounter`
`19:32.44`	`hugo`	`~seen renchap`
`19:33.05`	`purl`	`renchap is currently on #wowace. Has said a total of 6 messages. Is idling for 2h 23s, last said: 'html pages with js, that install a keylogger'.`
`19:33.05`	`Cide`	`KarlThePagan: and for the record, I've added a disclaimer to all of the 2.0 versions`
`19:33.05`	`renchap`	`iam here :)`
`19:33.05`	`hugo`	`oh`
`19:33.05`	`KarlThePagan`	`good start`
`19:33.05`	`hugo`	`funny addon man lol :P`
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`19:33.22`	`hugo`	`renchap its fun when waiting in raid, we need some improve tho ;o`
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`19:33.27`	`Kaelten_`	`well gmail's code must be satan`
`19:33.30`	`Kaelten_`	`I opened it and crashed`
`19:33.33`	`odt`	`anyone here know windows oddities?`
`19:33.41`	`Cide`	`Kaelten_: there's your proof! :P`
`19:33.42`	`evl`	`odt: the entire os is an oddity so yes`
`19:33.45`	`Kaelten_`	`lol`
`19:33.47`	`KarlThePagan`	`I would just like to comment that an overabundance of copyright and code ownership paranoia lead to the degredation of the Q3 modding community IMOj`
`19:33.48`	`renchap`	`yup, thats planned`
`19:33.53`	`hugo`	`somethinf to set a channel like say/raid or so, to say each 100th jump, like, "I just jumped 300th time" etc`
`19:33.53`	`Saroz`	`shrug delete it and rewrite it, if anyone cares.. what's the freaking problem`
`19:33.54`	`renchap`	`but after my holidays :)`
`19:33.55`	`zeeg`	`Cide, are you going to file a cease and decist and go to court over "GMail"? Are you going to turn CTMod into a for-profit project? I don't get what your copyright would do in this situation, or why it really matters`
`19:33.55`	`odt`	`well, agreed. but i gotta use that thing :P`
`19:34.09`	`KarlThePagan`	`mods which freely shared their improvements made genuine contributions (delagged for example and improved camera)`
`19:34.14`	`Fisker-`	`principle zeeg`
`19:34.18`	`Cide`	`zeeg: nope.`
`19:34.19`	`odt`	`now whenever i launch any program, i get a popup saying "Failed creting instance to IELog"`
`19:34.19`	`renchap`	`and to avoid cheating (space spaming, jump while flying, ...)`
`19:34.20`	`hugo`	`renchap come on :)))) this souldn't be hard :PP its fun`
`19:34.37`	`Saroz`	`clean teh channel!!!`
`19:34.44`	`KarlThePagan`	`I agree that on principle CT_MailMod and Cide should at the very least be given credit`
`19:34.44`	`odt`	`press ok, and the program starts`
`19:34.51`	`Necrathex`	`copyrighted wow addons.. what's the world coming to :(`
`19:35.01`	`zeeg`	`Necrathex, it's like copyrighting linux, but distributing the source :)`
`19:35.03`	`Cide`	`Necrathex: all addons are copyrighted unless stated otherwise. your point?`
`19:35.04`	`ckknight`	`Necrathex, all my stuff is copyrighted`
`19:35.09`	`evl`	`Necrathex: RDX`
`19:35.10`	`ckknight`	`and I wouldn't want anyone to steal my code.`
`19:35.11`	`Necrathex`	`:o`
`19:35.21`	`Cide`	`I would accept credit if it was a copy functionality-wise`
`19:35.32`	`Cide`	`but it's not, so that's out of the question`
`19:35.35`	`Codayus`	`Necrathex: All stuff is copyrighted unless you explicitly say otherwise, depending on your legal jurisdiction. YMMV.`
`19:35.38`	`kenlyric\|work`	`all the stuff you write in this channel is copyrighted :)`
`19:35.48`	`ckknight`	`so I do believe that stealing code, even from Cide, is bad and should be righted.`
`19:35.51`	`Necrathex`	`meh, was just trying to make a fun comment :p`
`19:35.54`	`Stephmw`	`Codayus: aye, in some places you can't actually disclaim your copyright`
`19:36.00`	`Saroz`	`I repeat, delete it and rewrite it, if anyone cares..`
`19:36.12`	`kenlyric\|work`	`oooh, harsh.`
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`19:37.34`	`zeeg`	`Stephmw, thats why intellectual copyright is crap :)`
`19:37.35`	`Cide`	`Saroz: sounds excellent!`
`19:37.35`	`zeeg`	`at least over stuff like this`
`19:37.35`	`Cide`	`zeeg: so you're promoting copying others' code without permission?`
`19:37.35`	`zeeg`	`not at all`
`19:37.35`	`Xuerian`	`For the record cide, even though I was hostile to you, I agree about copyright and that it should be deleted ;) I just spoil for fights :3`
`19:37.35`	`andremar`	`ckknight: the lootframe i cartographer needs a closebutton :p`
`19:37.35`	`zeeg`	`I think its wrong`
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`19:37.36`	`ckknight`	`andremar, yea, I know`
`19:37.36`	`Stephmw`	`zeeg: the simple solution is just to have a standard template, say CC-with-attrib, bundled by Blizz`
`19:37.36`	`Codayus`	`Mmm, even in the original commit, there's a couple functions pretty clearly copied. Ouch. :-)`
`19:37.36`	`Saroz`	`IMO it's unacceptable to just copy CT_MailMod, rename the functions, change some variable names and call it GMail`
`19:37.37`	`Saroz`	`nomatter how you look at it`
`19:37.52`	`zeeg`	`Stephmw, either way, it's still quite useless, if someone wants to copy it they will, you can't stop them. That's the problem that will always exist with open source.`
`19:37.52`	`pastamancer`	`vhaarr: ping`
`19:37.54`	`KarlThePagan`	`I'm pretty sure it's not the entire body of GMail but a few specific functions which need to be purged`
`19:38.31`	`Stephmw`	`zeeg: it exists just as much in closed source, what's your point?`
`19:38.31`	`SoLoR`	`Saroz that was it from start tho... if you look at xml.... or most of old code :<`
`19:38.31`	`zeeg`	`Closed source isn't publicly distributed :)`
`19:38.31`	`Cide`	`KarlThePagan: as of right now, the entire body of GMail definitely needs to be removed`
`19:38.31`	`KarlThePagan`	`you can decompile`
`19:38.31`	`SoLoR`	`its wrong agree`
`19:38.31`	`Stephmw`	`zeeg: so you advocate hiding the problem?`
`19:38.32`	`zeeg`	`KarlThePagan, to an extent, its very limited`
`19:38.32`	`SoLoR`	`but since it was like that from start...`
`19:38.33`	`zeeg`	`Stephmw, I'm not an open source fan myself`
`19:38.35`	`Saroz`	`SoLoR, so IMO, delete it, and if anyone loves it so much, start it from scratch`
`19:38.42`	`Saroz`	`and never look at CT_MailMod's code`
`19:38.46`	`Stephmw`	`zeeg: I was wondering if you were just playing devil's advocate...`
`19:38.54`	`kenlyric\|work`	`is gmail simply ctmailmod with Ace bindings?`
`19:38.57`	`zeeg`	`I see its uses, and they're good`
`19:39.07`	`zeeg`	`But going open source, and keeping it copyrighted, I just don't find the idea appealing`
`19:39.07`	`Cide`	`kenlyric\|work: I've yet to see much ace code in there, at all`
`19:39.11`	`Stephmw`	`zeeg: open source is good, when used like any other tool, for its intended purpose`
`19:39.33`	`zeeg`	`wow is a bit different since they removed the ability to compile mods, of course`
`19:39.46`	`Tem`	`we never had that ability`
`19:39.53`	`zeeg`	`it was there in early beta or alpha i believe`
`19:39.54`	`Cide`	`we did in alpha/beta`
`19:40.11`	`Tem`	`ah, I didn't know we ever had loadstring with binary read`
`19:40.16`	`Stephmw`	`Cide: btw, my condoleances, code hijacking is a pain to chase up`
`19:40.31`	`Tem`	because iirc, it was `added` sometime around 1.8ish
`19:40.40`	`CIA-17`	`03chinkuwaila * r21691 10Cartographer/ (12 files in 2 dirs): Cartographer - updated deDE localizations`
`19:40.41`	`Tem`	`(without the ability to read bytecode)`
`19:40.53`	`Necrathex`	`but it's a grey area tbh, you can get some good coding ideas from others`
`19:40.55`	`Tornhoof`	`the author never spoke up, so i guess it should be removed, since cide is correct with his code assumption`
`19:40.59`	`aE\|neXter`	`Does an Ace2 aquivalent to BGTracker exist?`
`19:41.11`	`Necrathex`	`and end up with the same pieces of code for similar problems..`
`19:41.12`	`axxo`	`Cide: just because i'm curouis, would you have as much a problem if it was named 'ctmailmod port' ?`
`19:41.19`	`Cide`	`axxo: yes`
`19:41.29`	`axxo`	`why?`
`19:41.29`	`Stephmw`	`Necrathex: that applies generally to <small snippets> not to whole addons :)`
`19:41.36`	`GanJa`	`Question for the BigWigs people... Where is the BigWigs_ThrottleSync at?`
`19:41.45`	Funkeh`	`no such mod`
`19:41.50`	`Necrathex`	`Stephmw: yeah ofc, and looking at the diff it's clearly a direct copy`
`19:41.57`	`kenlyric\|work`	`Necrathex, and the courts have pretty much said that's very difficult to tell the difference.`
`19:42.02`	`Cide`	`because the idea that it would lead to a performance increase solely due to using a localization library over global variables makes me want to puke`
`19:42.16`	`kenlyric\|work`	`If it's the exact same code through 99% of it, sure, but if it's a few functions? that's a lot harder to prove.`
`19:42.18`	`axxo`	`Cide: that might not have been the reason`
`19:42.26`	`Cide`	`axxo: but that's the result.`
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`19:42.36`	`Cide`	`or effect, if you will`
`19:42.37`	`Stephmw`	`kenlyric\|work: then we get into the realm of derived works and who's code was public first`
`19:42.38`	`kenlyric\|work`	`well, it could lead to a performance increaase since ctmailmod is now bound up in many other mods one might not need.`
`19:42.39`	`Saroz`	`too much bullshit in this channel atm... Delete the mod and get it over with`
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`19:42.53`	`*** mode/#wowace [+b !@*.dip.t-dialin.net] by Tem`
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`19:42.58`	`kenlyric\|work`	`unless I missed a meeting where ctmailmod is no longer part of ctcore.`
`19:42.59`	`Cide`	`kenlyric\|work: such as?`
`19:42.59`	Funkeh`	`GanJa: or do you mean the function?`
`19:43.00`	`*** kick/#wowace [zeeg!n=tardmrr@204.90.50.252] by Tem (Tem)`
`19:43.03`	`Fisker-`	`err Tem`
`19:43.07`	`Fisker-`	`why did you ban all germans?`
`19:43.09`	`axxo`	`i agree it should be removed in its current state`
`19:43.11`	`Saroz`	`evil mask :p`
`19:43.14`	`Tornhoof`	`tem, banning a whole german isp is pretty overkill`
`19:43.21`	`sbu`	`ack :o`
`19:43.21`	`Tem`	`meh fine`
`19:43.24`	`axxo`	`but if proper credit is given, i feel you should let everyone modify your addon`
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`19:43.29`	`Cide`	`kenlyric\|work: it's not part of CT_Core, and has never been`
`19:43.42`	`Cide`	`well, depending on how you define CT_Core.`
`19:43.55`	`Cide`	`CT_Core used to be a package of the most commonly used mods, but now it's an addon`
`19:44.07`	`Codayus`	`If credit had been given, it'd be a different situation...maybe not different enough, but different. :-)`
`19:44.14`	`Cide`	`Codayus: not different, no`
`19:44.27`	`GanJa`	`Funk: Yes I mean the function I'm trying to look to see exactly what it does. Cuz I have some things that are causing spam in a plugin but the issue is I don't want it throttled to the point it only allows reports... Errrr For example it reports with info. if the reporting info is diff then I want it to go through if it's the same then it needs to throttle but I wanna look at the throttle code`
`19:44.28`	`*** mode/#wowace [-b !@*.dip.t-dialin.net] by Tem`
`19:44.34`	`kenlyric\|work`	`right, my apologies, I was wrong. I think I was thinking of something else.`
`19:44.49`	`Necrathex`	`so, if you put a note in the addon "hey i stole so-and-so's code for this" it's okay?`
`19:44.57`	`Cide`	`Necrathex: not in this case`
`19:45.00`	`Kinkx`	`It's sorta like if I were to rename Cartographer to Kartographer, putting my name on it, and giving credit to ckknight`
`19:45.07`	`KarlThePagan`	`unless the owner claims copyright yea`
`19:45.11`	`ckknight`	`Kinkx, hey, no forking.`
`19:45.15`	`Kinkx`	`hehe ^^`
`19:45.17`	`Cide`	`I'd be perfectly fine with it if a function or two was copied due to its tricky nature or something, if credit was given`
`19:45.18`	`Saroz`	`indeed, so what's all the biggering about`
`19:45.25`	`ckknight`	`I retain copyright on my mods to prevent forking`
`19:45.36`	`Codayus`	`Cide: No, it would be different. If nothing else, you could at least start a fair-use argument, depending on how much code was copied. <shrug> Legally, you'd probably end up in the same place, but at least the argument is there.`
`19:45.42`	`Necrathex`	`unless the owner claims copyright? thought you said every code has copyright unless you say it's free to use`
`19:45.42`	`ckknight`	`and I believe we should honor Cide's copyright`
`19:45.43`	`*** mode/#wowace [+b !@pD9E3688B.dip.t-dialin.net] by Tem`
`19:45.57`	`Cide`	`Codayus: it wouldn't be different, since I say it isn't :)`
`19:46.04`	`Necrathex`	`guess it depends on where you live too :/`
`19:46.06`	`Codayus`	`But yeah, actually, there's some non-trivial functions which were clearly copied without attribution in several revisions...`
`19:46.23`	`Cide`	`the vast majority of functions were directly copied`
`19:46.23`	`Stephmw`	`I see Bartender3 in the files repo, are there any other mods that depend on it I should sample?`
`19:46.26`	`Cide`	`the rest were "merely" modified`
`19:46.39`	`Codayus`	`Cide: Despite the fact that I actually agree with you, your attidude makes me wish I didn't. :-/`
`19:47.02`	`Cide`	`Codayus: my attitude is tainted by my mood right now`
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`19:47.14`	`Saroz`	`Taint is bad, kk`
`19:47.18`	`KarlThePagan`	`kek`
`19:47.20`	`KarlThePagan`	`bur`
`19:47.21`	Funkeh`	`don't say taint`
`19:47.22`	`kenlyric\|work`	`you know who should be really pissed off?`
`19:47.24`	Funkeh`	`that evil word`
`19:47.25`	`Stephmw`	`Codayus: fair-use is another one that isn't universal :( [there's no such thing in the UK for instance]`
`19:47.26`	`kenlyric\|work`	`google.`
`19:47.26`	`Cide`	`Codayus: I don't think I would care as much if it was done in a less shady and in a less all-encompassing manner`
`19:47.35`	`Kinkx`	`Codayus - let the man be angry his code got stolen, I bet if some code was stolen from you your attitude wouldn't be much better`
`19:47.44`	`KarlThePagan`	`google is no saint kenlyric\|work ;)`
`19:47.45`	`Codayus`	`Cide: Understandable. But, mmm, I doubt anyone here is really your enemy. No need to be confrontational with people who didn't have the slightest thing to do with copying your code.`
`19:48.00`	`kenlyric\|work`	`yes, but their registered trademark was stolen!`
`19:48.18`	`Cide`	`Codayus: I've only been hostile with people that have said obviously flawed statements implying that CT_MailMod is somehow less efficient due to not using ace`
`19:48.19`	`ckknight`	`they didn't protect it`
`19:48.21`	`KarlThePagan`	`so was mine`
`19:48.25`	`KarlThePagan`	`Freakin India`
`19:48.36`	`KarlThePagan`	`some day we'll have to sue`
`19:48.46`	Funkeh`	`Cide: thats completely dependant on situation, and what mods you use`
`19:48.50`	`Saroz`	`Someone ping me when this discussion reaches a level actual substance`
`19:48.55`	`Cide`	`and the only intentionally hostile statement was towards evl, but it was a generalization and I apologize for that`
`19:49.04`	`Cide`	Funkeh`: no it isn't, not in this case
`19:49.13`	`Cide`	`I'm still waiting for it to be removed`
`19:49.21`	`kenlyric\|work`	`hell, the only reason I use gmail over ctmailmod is because gmail gets updated with every other mod I use through wau. I'm lazy.`
`19:49.23`	`Tornhoof`	`who cares about speed with mailmods?`
`19:49.28`	Funkeh`	`Cide: what makes this case special?`
`19:49.44`	`Codayus`	`Tornhoof: Well, if its sufficiently badly coded, it could slow you down when not at a mailbox...`
`19:49.50`	`Tornhoof`	`yes`
`19:49.54`	`Codayus`	`:-)`
`19:49.55`	`Tornhoof`	`we assume thats not the case`
`19:49.59`	Funkeh`	`lol`
`19:50.00`	`Cide`	`it's labeled as ace but it's not ace to any reasonable extent`
`19:51.09`	`Cide`	`so any performance gain is simply placebo`
`19:51.11`	`ckknight`	`frankly, I agree, Cide. GMail's code is icky and not what I'd really consider Ace-y`
`19:51.19`	`ckknight`	`it fucks up its localizations and everything`
`19:51.27`	`Kaelten`	`ckknight: ya it needs help`
`19:51.37`	`Cide`	`and a rewrite from scratch`
`19:52.02`	`KarlThePagan`	`hell new project ;)`
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`19:52.15`	Funkeh`	`ok get the sticks out, whoever pulls the shortest`
`19:52.17`	`SoLoR`	`well i would revert my changes and make it unusable if i would know how exactly and leave rest to grennon :P`
`19:52.35`	`Cide`	`SoLoR: that's not necessary. just delete it and be done with it`
`19:52.48`	`Cide`	`granted, you may do as you wish as long as the relevant pieces of code are removed`
`19:52.50`	`SoLoR`	`thats not up to me since its not my mod...`
`19:52.55`	`Codayus`	`SoLoR: Wouldn't help, grennons revisions aren't any better. :-)`
`19:53.04`	`SoLoR`	`Codayus i know`
`19:53.13`	`ckknight`	`Cide, or just a removal of any of your code from it`
`19:53.31`	`Cide`	`I'm of the opinion that the mod wouldn't be functional at all if that happened, but yes; that would be sufficient, ckknight`
`19:53.43`	`ckknight`	`you are probably right, though`
`19:53.44`	`KarlThePagan`	`I think that's the point`
`19:53.48`	`Codayus`	`Heh, it'd be broken.`
`19:53.50`	`ckknight`	`wonder if I could make a mail mod...`
`19:53.53`	`KarlThePagan`	`neuter it and let the author sort it out`
`19:53.56`	`Kinkx`	`Soon we'll have Google people coming in here being angry, should just delete it imo ;P`
`19:53.57`	`Codayus`	`But it'd be a start for someone to fix it later.`
`19:53.57`	`ckknight`	`from scratch`
`19:54.02`	`ckknight`	`with strippers!`
`19:54.04`	`Codayus`	`Deleting from the SVN is clearly wrong...`
`19:54.05`	`ckknight`	`and blackjack!`
`19:54.06`	`CIA-17`	`03kaelten * r21692 10GMail/ (5 files):`
`19:54.06`	`CIA-17`	`GMail:`
`19:54.06`	`CIA-17`	`- Removed questionable content until a more original implementation can be accomplished.`
`19:54.06`	`snurre`	`http://drdecursive.com/main.htm works with detox?`
`19:54.19`	`ckknight`	`good work, Kaelten`
`19:54.26`	`KarlThePagan`	`heh`
`19:54.26`	`kenlyric\|work`	`in fact, forget the blackjack.`
`19:54.30`	`Codayus`	`Ah, perfect.`
`19:54.43`	`Cide`	`where can I see the code?`
`19:54.51`	`KarlThePagan`	`he removed`
`19:54.53`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`~Bender: Forget the mail mod and blackjack, I'm just going to get some strippers!`
`19:54.53`	`kenlyric\|work`	`hmmm.. so when I ran wau gmail is gonna be horked... i better go ditch the directory.`
`19:54.55`	`Kaelten`	`svn.wowace.com/wowace/trunk/GMail`
`19:54.59`	`Kaelten`	`its an empty directory now.`
`19:55.12`	`Cide`	`thanks Kaelten`
`19:55.24`	`axxo`	`maybe put a .txt is there with a shot explaination`
`19:55.34`	`axxo`	`other ppl won't have a clue`
`19:55.37`	`Saroz`	`ok, now that's settled... ehh.. Merry fucking christmas all!`
`19:55.38`	`Codayus`	`That's what SVN logs are for.`
`19:55.43`	`Codayus`	`:-)`
`19:55.48`	`Fisker-`	`well some people suck :)`
`19:55.54`	`KarlThePagan`	`now that that's settled... I'm slapping a big fat GPL on all my code :p`
`19:55.59`	`Fisker-`	`but then again i doubt people would check the text either`
`19:56.02`	`Saroz`	`GPL is brrr`
`19:56.03`	`Cide`	`with that said, I thank those of you that have been reasonable (most people actually after the magnitude of the copy was obvious)`
`19:56.04`	`ckknight`	`KarlThePagan, ew.`
`19:56.07`	`Fisker-`	`freebesd ftw KarlThePagan`
`19:56.07`	`ckknight`	`go with BSD.`
`19:56.07`	`Cide`	`merry christmas`
`19:56.10`	`Fisker-`	`bsd*`
`19:56.12`	`Fisker-`	`yeah`
`19:56.13`	`Saroz`	`http://www.wowace.com/trac/changeset/21692`
`19:56.15`	`Codayus`	`BSD > GPL`
`19:56.23`	`KarlThePagan`	`ckknight, resistance is futile!`
`19:56.23`	`Cide`	`thanks ckknight, kergoth, Saroz, Kaelten, etc`
`19:56.25`	`*** part/#wowace Cide (n=Cide@81-226-233-5-no60.tbcn.telia.com)`
`19:56.30`	`Saroz`	`waves`
`19:56.31`	`Fisker-`	`GPL is a bunch of bullshit imo`
`19:56.34`	`Amadeo`	`haha`
`19:56.36`	`Saroz`	`indeed`
`19:56.38`	`KarlThePagan`	`Blizzard can ask the original authors if they want to roll it into their product`
`19:56.41`	`KarlThePagan`	`as can anyone else`
`19:56.42`	`Necrathex`	`creative commons :p`
`19:56.51`	`Amadeo`	`Cide was like, "kthx bye!"`
`19:56.52`	`ckknight`	`Necrathex, not good for code, imho`
`19:56.53`	`KarlThePagan`	`that's the beauty of GPL it doesn't actually tie your hands`
`19:57.01`	`kergoth`	`ckknight: i've seen too many companies royally screw over people, violating the gpl, to have anything against the gpl`
`19:57.26`	`Necrathex`	`stop taking me seriously plx`
`19:57.26`	`kergoth`	`it has its place`
`19:57.26`	`Fisker-`	`might as well call GPL "Shared Source" as opposed to open source`
`19:57.26`	`KarlThePagan`	`until someone else contributes to it, then if you accept those contributions you have to share the copyright with them`
`19:57.26`	`Fisker-`	`just imo though`
`19:57.26`	`kergoth`	`that said, i dont use it most of hte time.`
`19:57.26`	`Saroz`	`hehe Amadeo`
`19:57.27`	`kergoth`	`gpl is not more free, thats gnu nonsense`
`19:57.34`	`ckknight`	`kergoth, at my work, there's a big GPL with a slash through it on the whiteboard`
`19:57.36`	`CIA-17`	`03jerry * r21693 10ItemBonusLib/ItemBonusLib-1.0/ItemBonusLib-1.0.lua: ItemBonusLib: added a missing english pattern. Fixed several german patterns.`
`19:57.36`	`ckknight`	`pretty funny`
`19:57.42`	`kergoth`	`gpl is an intentional decrease in the individual freedom of developers that will obtain the code`
`19:57.50`	`KarlThePagan`	`yes`
`19:57.57`	`Saroz`	`where the hell is vhaarr`
`19:58.00`	Funkeh`	`lol ck`
`19:58.05`	Funkeh`	`nice reminder`
`19:58.25`	`Saroz`	`BRB`
`19:58.27`	`nevcairiel`	`Saroz: can i turn off background coloring for a specific debuff type?`
`19:58.28`	`ckknight`	`we can't use any GPL libraries`
`19:58.31`	`Saroz`	`need mIRC update -.-`
`19:58.35`	`ckknight`	`otherwise our product becomes worthless`
`19:58.35`	`Saroz`	`nevcairiel, you can soon`
`19:58.42`	`nevcairiel`	`Saroz: okies`
`19:58.42`	`haarm`	`someone mentioned freebsd?`
`19:58.46`	`haarm`	`i felt a twinge in my pants`
`19:58.53`	`ckknight`	`haarm, just the license`
`19:58.57`	`haarm`	`oh :(`
`19:59.01`	`chuckg`	`Garbage and freebsd were used in cohesion.`
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`19:59.13`	`kergoth`	`ckknight: there arent all that many gpl libraries, more often its lgpl, which is viable (though can be annoying at times for other reasons)`
`19:59.25`	`haarm`	`i prefer open anyway, just because it's harder to use :D`
`19:59.30`	`ckknight`	`kergoth, but, for example, we can't really use MySQL.`
`19:59.40`	`ckknight`	`due to its GPL-ness`
`19:59.46`	`ckknight`	`I'm in charge of porting to PostgreSQL`
`20:00.13`	`Kaelten`	`porting what?`
`20:00.17`	`Saroz`	`damn I so need a new IRC client -.-`
`20:00.26`	`kergoth`	`yes, thats a big disadvantage to mysql, their licensing sucks, because they're out to make money themselves`
`20:00.34`	`nevcairiel`	`hehe`
`20:00.46`	`Stephmw`	`inconvenient ;)`
`20:00.52`	`Amadeo`	`Saroz: Most of them suck in Windows`
`20:00.53`	`Necrathex`	`mirc bleh`
`20:00.58`	`Saroz`	`Amadeo, exactly`
`20:01.07`	`Amadeo`	`as much as I'm sick of mIRC, I hate the way other IRC clients feel in Windows`
`20:01.19`	`Stephmw`	`Amadeo: there's an irssi port for windows ;-)`
`20:01.21`	`ckknight`	`Amadeo, I like XChat`
`20:01.21`	`kergoth`	`at any rate, i've had to work for companies that would be violating the gpl and not contributing back to the community on too many occasions to see it as a bad thing. for many companies its the only check on their behavior to ensure they cooperate`
`20:01.23`	`odt`	`woot`
`20:01.34`	`Amadeo`	`Stephmw: Yeah, I tried that once...it's actually not half bad`
`20:01.35`	`odt`	`i successfully defeated the "windows installer resiliency"`
`20:01.44`	`odt`	`which was causing strange stuff on every application launch`
`20:01.48`	`ckknight`	`Kaelten, it's a mapping software dealy that allows you to do actions from the map, i.e. go to a golf course, register a tee time`
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`20:01.49`	`Necrathex`	`i'm using X-chat, but it's not really great tbh, just the lesser amongst evils :/`
`20:01.50`	`ckknight`	`and such`
`20:01.51`	`Amadeo`	`Stephmw: I just don't like messing with cygwin, and I don't know who maintains "releases" of it`
`20:02.19`	`Amadeo`	`ckknight: X-Chat is a good app, but again...it's just about that "feel" in Windows for me...I guess it's GTK doing it`
`20:02.21`	`CIA-17`	`03chinkuwaila * r21694 10Cartographer/Modules/InstanceNotesLoot.lua: Cartographer InstanceNotesLoot.lua - updated deDE localization`
`20:02.27`	`Stephmw`	`kergoth: I recently chased a possible GPL violation in my company, turns out the 3rd-party that had supplied the stuff had actually obtained a proper commercial license for the stuff from the original author ;-)`
`20:02.31`	`ckknight`	`Amadeo, hrm shrug`
`20:02.40`	`Saroz`	`ok, I'm gonna try Cartographer now`
`20:02.47`	`Amadeo`	`cartographer rocks`
`20:02.48`	`ckknight`	`good stuff`
`20:02.52`	`Fisker-`	`it sure does`
`20:02.56`	`Stephmw`	`kergoth: good thing too - you don't want to be the one causing a recall of 30mil+ devices`
`20:02.57`	`Necrathex`	`gtk in windows feels wrong yes`
`20:03.09`	`[dRaCo]`	`Anyone here who can help me with my little ora2 problem?`
`20:03.12`	`ckknight`	`gah, why won't DanG just send me his program that steals info from the WMO files?`
`20:03.13`	`Fisker-`	`cartographer is the best addon since ever`
`20:03.16`	`ckknight`	`this is complicated.`
`20:03.20`	`Baraius_`	`Cartographer does rock.`
`20:03.39`	`KarlThePagan`	`meh... Xchat works for me, whatever GTK lib that comes with the current distro is much better than it used to be`
`20:03.41`	`Saroz`	`nevcairiel, cant decide if I want it to be selective checkboxes, or I want to scan the spellbook to see which debuffs the player can actually dispell, like Detox`
`20:03.54`	`Amadeo`	`KarlThePagan: Which one? XChat2?`
`20:04.07`	`KarlThePagan`	`yea i'm running 2.6.9b`
`20:04.24`	`Necrathex`	`lool 2.0.8 here :p`
`20:04.31`	`Necrathex`	`might be time for an update`
`20:04.40`	`Saroz`	`XChat2 feels bad on windows`
`20:04.41`	`Necrathex`	`old software ftw`
`20:04.42`	`Saroz`	`-.-`
`20:04.44`	`KarlThePagan`	`just a bit`
`20:04.44`	`KarlThePagan`	`lol`
`20:04.52`	`KarlThePagan`	`well i'm goin to lunch`
`20:05.00`	`Saroz`	`it's 9PM`
`20:05.06`	`Amadeo`	`Do you know where your wallet is?`
`20:05.16`	`Necrathex`	`it's 21:00!`
`20:05.25`	`Stephmw`	`8pm!`
`20:05.42`	`Necrathex`	`24h>12h`
`20:05.44`	`KarlThePagan`	`I like GPL - I'll be posting L GPL code until more people jump on the bandwagon`
`20:05.57`	`Saroz`	`lol: http://wow.curse-gaming.com/en/files/downloads/173/`
`20:05.57`	`Saroz`	`wtf`
`20:06.03`	`Stephmw`	`KarlThePagan: have you had a look at Sun's argument for going GPL+exception?`
`20:06.05`	`KarlThePagan`	`and because I actually want people to use Bits-1.0 when I commit it tonight`
`20:06.08`	`kergoth`	`http://www.busybox.net/shame.html`
`20:06.10`	`Saroz`	`[Cu]Werik, YO`
`20:06.18`	`ckknight`	`Stephmw, what's that?`
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`20:06.34`	`kergoth`	`i release my code under the MIT license if i dont mind companies stealing the codde, which iusually dont, and gpl/lgpl if i do`
`20:06.37`	`ckknight`	`just so people know, if anybody GPLs a library, I'll refuse to use it`
`20:06.41`	`[Cu]Werik`	`??`
`20:06.47`	`KarlThePagan`	`Stephmw, I personally endorse the JCP... I like it it protects the language form a technical stance... but yea I should look into their +exception a little more`
`20:06.47`	`Saroz`	`no download mirrors?`
`20:06.48`	`ckknight`	`LGPL won't be bad`
`20:06.51`	`Stephmw`	`ckknight: Sun used the same 'linking exception' as used in GNU Classpath for their release of Java 2 SE`
`20:07.00`	`KarlThePagan`	`LGPL'ing`
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`20:07.07`	`KarlThePagan`	`... k eatin`
`20:07.18`	`kergoth`	`i strongly dislike the gpl/lgpl's vagueness about linking`
`20:07.28`	`kergoth`	`doesnt distinguish enough between compile time and runtime shared library linking`
`20:07.41`	`Saroz`	`ehh is there a working gatherer out?`
`20:07.47`	`Stephmw`	`kergoth: aye, the exception is there to clarify this`
`20:07.52`	`[Cu]Werik`	`Hm`
`20:08.03`	`[Cu]Werik`	`Seems like gatherer wasnt updated for 2.0`
`20:08.07`	`kergoth`	`Saroz: doubt it. use cart, or if you're trying to import gatherer data, just create a .toc that uses the gatherer savedvars`
`20:08.07`	`[Cu]Werik`	`at least on curse`
`20:08.07`	`Saroz`	`...`
`20:08.08`	`Stephmw`	`kergoth: specifically because a core library is almost always required`
`20:08.10`	`Saroz`	`I need my data!`
`20:08.19`	`Saroz`	`ehhh ok`
`20:08.22`	`kergoth`	`you dont need the gatherer addon to ipmort data`
`20:08.24`	`kergoth`	`you just need the sv loaded`
`20:08.31`	`Saroz`	`ok, nice`
`20:08.58`	`Saroz`	`here we go`
`20:09.21`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`there's a "developer alpha" you can get at gathereraddon.com . . .`
`20:09.39`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`but why now you'd want, I dunno.`
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`20:09.40`	`kergoth`	`Stephmw: we got bit by it in the openzaurus project. we provided a gpl libqte in the distro, and it was questionable whether a commercial app linked against the commercial qt could be legally run on the gpl qt`
`20:09.55`	`kergoth`	`confused users`
`20:10.05`	`Saroz`	`eeeeeek`
`20:10.09`	`Saroz`	`Import error`
`20:10.25`	`Saroz`	`import.lua:134:Attempt to index field '?' a nil value`
`20:10.36`	`Stephmw`	`kergoth: I'm not surprised... btw, you may remember me as Twiun ;-)`
`20:10.55`	`kergoth`	`looong time no see`
`20:11.13`	`haarm`	`teehee that Cide thing was funny, only just finished reading`
`20:11.20`	`Stephmw`	`very long time - what are you up to these days?`
`20:11.24`	`chuckg`	`Link haarm?`
`20:11.25`	`kenlyric\|work`	`so, how does BulkMail work? ;)`
`20:11.28`	`Saroz`	`oh, it imported it anyway`
`20:11.29`	`Saroz`	`niiice`
`20:11.31`	`kenlyric\|work`	`is it functional...`
`20:11.31`	`haarm`	`uh, I scrolled up`
`20:11.41`	`kergoth`	`weird seeing folks i knew in teh oz/oe days dropping by this channel. mjc and treke are around too`
`20:11.52`	`kergoth`	`not a whole lot, mostly just working, got burned out on open source stuff`
`20:12.00`	`Saroz`	`my memory skyrocketed -.-`
`20:12.06`	`Stephmw`	`yeah, it sounded like it`
`20:12.18`	`ggilbert`	`Twiun? Rock on`
`20:12.23`	`Stephmw`	`ggilbert: :)`
`20:12.37`	`Kinkx`	`How do you load the gatherer.lua savedvariable? I have it in my SavedVariables folder, but not able to import it :x`
`20:13.18`	`Saroz`	`## SavedVariables: GatherItems, GatherConfig`
`20:13.19`	`ckknight`	`Kinkx, you have to load Gatherer to get the SVs`
`20:13.19`	`KaeltenAway`	`time to go xmas shopping`
`20:13.19`	`Necrathex`	`so, anyone know a good mailmod? :P`
`20:13.19`	`KaeltenAway`	`I'll be back in a little bit`
`20:13.22`	`haarm`	`get me some beers Kael`
`20:13.27`	`Stephmw`	`hrmmm... wasn't there an ace mod that listed valid /commands for other ace mods?`
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`20:14.21`	`ckknight`	`<PROTECTED>`
`20:14.29`	`Stephmw`	`kergoth, ggilbert: these days I'm working on mobile phones (C/Java), gaming (of course), and dabbling in photography: http://www.flickr.com/photos/stephmw/`
`20:14.35`	`Stephmw`	`ckknight: cheers`
`20:15.04`	`kergoth`	`fun :)`
`20:15.10`	`Daemona`	`Necrathex i got a copy of gmail (featuring ct_mailmod technology(c))`
`20:15.17`	`kergoth`	`i'm working on the land warrior project for work nowadays, wearable computing for us army soldiers`
`20:15.39`	`ggilbert`	`kergoth: I thought you left that for what's it called`
`20:15.49`	`Daemona`	`kergoth wearable wow drool`
`20:15.53`	`ggilbert`	`Mallum's company`
`20:16.01`	`Saroz`	`35MiB :(`
`20:16.08`	`Necrathex`	`Daemona: :P`
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`20:16.32`	`Necrathex`	`think i'll port ct_raidtracker to ace hehe`
`20:16.59`	`Saroz`	`someone is doing that`
`20:17.02`	`Stephmw`	`hmm, only 18.4MiB... must. get. more. mods.`
`20:17.04`	`Saroz`	`nRaidTracker`
`20:17.05`	`Saroz`	`I think`
`20:17.07`	`Necrathex`	`hm`
`20:17.20`	`Saroz`	`Cartographer = +10 MB :(`
`20:17.34`	`Fisker-`	`with that much awesome you can't complain`
`20:17.43`	`Saroz`	`and it doesn't know the icon for grave moss`
`20:18.09`	`kenlyric\|work`	`nobody ahs ever seen grave moss.`
`20:18.09`	`Amadeo`	`Saroz: Is that just Cartographer, or all the Cartographer plugins too?`
`20:18.10`	`kenlyric\|work`	`;)`
`20:18.16`	`Saroz`	`all except mining`
`20:18.22`	`Saroz`	`and all my gatherer data ofc`
`20:18.34`	`Amadeo`	`Yeah`
`20:18.39`	`kergoth`	`ggilbert: i did, but the mallum let the contract die. i was bored out of my mind there anyway... so i sat around for 2 months looking for other telecommute work and failed to find it, and eventually thre a resume at the company i worked at before`
`20:18.39`	`Amadeo`	`You can't do much about big saved variables, can you?`
`20:18.43`	`kergoth`	`an hour and a half later i was rehired`
`20:18.44`	`kergoth`	`heh`
`20:18.50`	`ggilbert`	`ah`
`20:18.59`	`kergoth`	`cart 10 megs? last time i checked it was 500K, and the herb data from gather.reet.org was 120K..`
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`20:19.19`	`Saroz`	`clicking red loot icons is bad`
`20:19.28`	`ggilbert`	`kergoth: Hopefully you didn't take too big of a pay cut going back`
`20:19.36`	`Necrathex`	`will big memory usage slow you down, or only when you're out of memory?`
`20:19.44`	`Necrathex`	`cos i have a slow pc, but 2gigs ram`
`20:20.25`	`kergoth`	`ggilbert: $12K/yr raise from what i made here last time. they had offered me $15K more back when i was leaving to get me to stay, but thisll do :P`
`20:20.25`	`ggilbert`	`Yeah.`
`20:21.28`	`Saroz`	`where does cartographer get dropchances from`
`20:21.34`	`Saroz`	`and I repeat, clicking red item ID's are BAD`
`20:21.39`	`kergoth`	`PeriodicTable-2.0`
`20:21.52`	`kergoth`	`specifically, PeriodicTable-InstanceLoot-2.0 or similar`
`20:22.18`	`Mikma`	`http://wow.reaktio.net/huorra.jpg`
`20:22.31`	`sbu`	`!`
`20:22.40`	`Amadeo`	`are your graphics set really low?`
`20:23.06`	`Mikma`	`guess if i play with 1,2GHz mac`
`20:23.16`	`Saroz`	`WTB icon for grave moss`
`20:23.16`	`Saroz`	`kk`
`20:23.17`	`Amadeo`	`hhe`
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`20:23.58`	`Stephmw`	`hrmph. now to find some config UIs for these addons ;)`
`20:24.02`	`kergoth`	`Saroz: the red item ids arent cached, you should know by now that if the server hasnt seen the item, you'll be disconnected for querying it. it should have a tooltip warning people though`
`20:24.06`	`kergoth`	`Stephmw: deucecommander`
`20:24.24`	`kergoth`	`Stephmw: dropdown interface to configuration of all ace2 addons that use aceoptions/aceconsole`
`20:24.28`	`Saroz`	`yea kergoth, just being reckless -.-`
`20:24.32`	`kergoth`	`:)`
`20:24.37`	`kergoth`	`still, it should warn`
`20:25.08`	`Saroz`	`even the ones that arent red can disc you if you link them`
`20:25.25`	`Stephmw`	`kergoth: cheers`
`20:25.35`	`Saroz`	`hrrm, cant click on twin emperors`
`20:26.13`	`Kinkx`	`Nice, my Gatherer.lua was 2.3mb, and Cartographer_Herbalism.lua with everything imported is 240kb :o`
`20:26.36`	`Kinkx`	`Thats pretty good :D`
`20:26.48`	`vhaarr`	`pastamancer, Saroz: I was at work, back now.`
`20:26.58`	`kergoth`	`Kinkx: :)`
`20:27.07`	`kergoth`	`ck did a good job on optimizing the format`
`20:27.17`	`ckknight`	`yep.`
`20:27.23`	`Amadeo`	`So what are people using these days? OneBag or vBagnon?`
`20:27.23`	`ckknight`	`also, ingame memory is a lot less`
`20:27.47`	`Kinkx`	`Awesome :D`
`20:27.48`	`ckknight`	`since Carto makes 1 string per node-type, but Gatherer makes 1 table per herb`
`20:27.49`	`vhaarr`	`SoLoR: Thanks for fixing that WH fuckup I did.`
`20:27.54`	`Saroz`	`there are some annoyences`
`20:27.56`	`ckknight`	`not herb-type.`
`20:28.34`	`Saroz`	`the menu dropdown doesnt go away when you click an instance to view`
`20:28.34`	`cncfanatic1`	`I'm getting tainting issues with FrameResized on the lootframe`
`20:28.34`	`vhaarr`	`Saroz: "where the hell is vhaarr", wassap?`
`20:28.34`	`kergoth`	`Amadeo: vbagnon here`
`20:28.42`	`Saroz`	`vhaarr, meh, later :p`
`20:28.46`	`vhaarr`	`kek`
`20:29.14`	`Amadeo`	`kergoth: Do you use the new sorting feature?`
`20:29.30`	`kergoth`	`sorting? you mean displaying the categories?`
`20:29.33`	`Amadeo`	`yeah`
`20:29.42`	`Saroz`	`vhaarr, SEEA -- RFE: Aura:UnitHasDebuff(unit)`
`20:29.46`	`kergoth`	`yeah, i prefer an enginventory style view`
`20:29.54`	`vhaarr`	`Saroz: What, that doesn't exist?`
`20:29.56`	`vhaarr`	`lol`
`20:30.06`	`Amadeo`	`Seperate windows, or in one pan?`
`20:30.08`	`Amadeo`	`pane`
`20:30.35`	`vhaarr`	`Saroz: UnitHasDebuff, it's right there, man.`
`20:30.54`	`Saroz`	`wait wait`
`20:30.55`	`vhaarr`	`:P`
`20:30.58`	`vhaarr`	`sup`
`20:31.20`	`Saroz`	`I don't want to provide name and shit, I just want true/false if a unit has a debuff`
`20:31.48`	`vhaarr`	`Saroz: if next(SEEA:DebuffIter(unit)) then`
`20:31.54`	`kergoth`	`hehe`
`20:31.58`	`vhaarr`	`^^`
`20:32.04`	`Saroz`	`also, when you reload UI in a raid group, it doesnt fire events for buffs already on players, only buffs that are given after the reload`
`20:32.07`	`kergoth`	`you dont want next, next works on tables`
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`20:32.14`	`vhaarr`	`bah`
`20:32.18`	`kergoth`	`you'd want SEEA:DebuffIter(unit)()`
`20:32.19`	`kergoth`	`or so`
`20:32.22`	`kergoth`	`most likely`
`20:32.34`	`vhaarr`	`Saroz: Yeah, should it fire for all the units?`
`20:32.45`	`vhaarr`	`hm, I guess it should.`
`20:32.52`	`Saroz`	`Well, in theory it starts from a clean slate, it yea`
`20:32.54`	`Saroz`	`so*`
`20:33.03`	`vhaarr`	`Saroz: Okay, how do I detect a reload ui from a PEW - AceEvent_FullyInitialized?`
`20:33.05`	`Saroz`	`it's a ton of events though`
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`20:33.19`	`Saroz`	`PEW, IIRC`
`20:33.28`	`Amadeo`	`laserbeams?`
`20:33.43`	`vhaarr`	`hrm`
`20:33.46`	`kergoth`	`i wonder if anyone else would find something like elkbuffbars with consoldation for the buffs/debuffs on the target useful`
`20:33.51`	`vhaarr`	`I guess we need a full rescan on every PEW indeed.`
`20:33.52`	`kenlyric\|work`	`anyone know if there is an ace mod like hotcandy which tracks offensive DoTs?`
`20:34.02`	`kergoth`	`chronometer`
`20:34.05`	`Saroz`	`vhaarr, yea, thought I thought you already did that`
`20:34.06`	`kergoth`	`tracks hots, dots, stuns, etc`
`20:34.32`	`vhaarr`	`Saroz: No, it used to do that, but I removed it in the heat of battle because I thought it wasn't needed.`
`20:34.36`	`Daemona`	`does chronometer track vampiric embrace/touch per target?`
`20:34.49`	`Saroz`	`function lib:PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD()`
`20:34.49`	`Saroz`	`self:ScanAllAuras()`
`20:34.49`	`Saroz`	`registerevents(self)`
`20:34.49`	`Saroz`	`end`
`20:34.50`	`CIA-17`	`03nymbia * r21695 10SpellBinder/ (SpellBinder-enUS.lua SpellBinder-koKR.lua SpellBinder.lua): SpellBinder: Fixed option title in DeuceCommander`
`20:35.11`	`vhaarr`	`Saroz: Clearly you don't have the latest revision ...`
`20:35.59`	`Saroz`	`ckknight, I'm annoyed that the dropdown doesnt go away after selecting an instance in cartographer`
`20:36.02`	`Saroz`	`vhaarr, lemme update again`
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`20:36.16`	`Amadeo`	`Anyone happen to know tekkub's googlepage url?`
`20:36.35`	`vhaarr`	`ckknight: Yeah, that annoys me as well, the dropdown should go away when you click something in the menu. Or at least when you click somewhere on the map.`
`20:36.50`	`vhaarr`	`(Cartographer)`
`20:37.33`	`Saroz`	`how the hell can netherwind pants have a 2.4% droprate`
`20:37.46`	`vhaarr`	`haha`
`20:37.50`	`kenlyric\|work`	`sounds about right.`
`20:37.54`	`vhaarr`	`good question, they dropped like 60% for us`
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`20:38.15`	`Saroz`	`these droprates are stupid, Onslaught girdle 43%`
`20:38.16`	`kergoth`	`i'm sure theres room to improve the rates, were probably pulled off of alla`
`20:38.17`	`kenlyric\|work`	`it's better than the droprate on judgement.`
`20:38.21`	`Saroz`	`:p`
`20:38.39`	`kenlyric\|work`	`wait, what mod is this?`
`20:38.45`	`Saroz`	`cartographer`
`20:38.59`	`kenlyric\|work`	`oooh, implementing loot tables?`
`20:39.05`	`Saroz`	`eh, i guess`
`20:39.07`	`kergoth`	`s/ing/ed/`
`20:39.13`	`kergoth`	`its periodictable-2.0's data`
`20:39.19`	`kenlyric\|work`	`you know, I just realized just this moment that cartographer probably has instance maps in it.`
`20:39.31`	`Saroz`	`oh rly`
`20:39.36`	`Kinkx`	`This is how Barrens look on Cartographer now: http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/9586/wowscrnshot122106213414cs9.jpg`
`20:39.37`	`kenlyric\|work`	`does it?`
`20:39.38`	`kergoth`	`it has for quite some time`
`20:39.46`	`kenlyric\|work`	`so why am I using atlas too?`
`20:39.47`	`sbu`	`Kinkx: WTF :p`
`20:39.50`	`kergoth`	`cart herb filtering ftw`
`20:39.51`	`vhaarr`	`Saroz: But PEW is fired after zoning out from an instance, will you need all the aura events then?`
`20:39.52`	`mjc`	`kergoth: <3`
`20:39.56`	`Tornhoof`	`haha kinkx`
`20:39.57`	`nevcairiel`	`hrm`
`20:39.57`	`kergoth`	`kenlyric\|work: good question, why are you? :P`
`20:40.01`	`mjc`	`kergoth: sync loot tables with other cart users`
`20:40.02`	`Saroz`	`ckknight, one more bug: Herbalism module, if you turn of a herb in the filter, it still comes up on the minimap`
`20:40.08`	`nevcairiel`	`didnt Gatherer have semi-transparent icons?`
`20:40.10`	`CIA-17`	`03badhex * r21696 10SliceWatcher/SliceWatcher.lua: SliceWatcher: - Removed unused localization strings.`
`20:40.17`	`vhaarr`	`nevcairiel: Yeah, it did.`
`20:40.23`	`nevcairiel`	`why dont you?`
`20:40.23`	`nevcairiel`	`:D`
`20:40.38`	`nevcairiel`	`that black background looks too weird`
`20:40.39`	`kergoth`	`mjc: need a good ace2 drop rate gathering addon, something minimal and synced and easy to convert to pt`
`20:41.03`	`mjc`	`kergoth: XLootDrops`
`20:41.04`	`pastamancer`	`make xuerian do it`
`20:41.06`	`nevcairiel`	`didnt ItemDB track that kinda info?`
`20:41.07`	`Saroz`	`ckknight feld after I got cartographer`
`20:41.09`	`mjc`	`Xuerian: buddy old pal`
`20:41.21`	`mjc`	`vhaarr: alpha ftw =(`
`20:41.29`	`vhaarr`	`o_o`
`20:41.31`	`Saroz`	`vhaarr, uhm, I don't know, I guess the state of my frames arent stored on zoning, so yes`
`20:41.45`	`vhaarr`	`really`
`20:41.48`	`Kinkx`	`Some alpha on the icons would be a cool option, or something else.. not sure what would be a good solution, but it gets a bit overwhelming`
`20:41.48`	`mjc`	`vhaarr: icons lost their alpha on that map :(`
`20:41.59`	`Saroz`	`vhaarr, not 100%`
`20:42.05`	`vhaarr`	`mjc: indeed ><`
`20:42.14`	`zoktar`	`ocb climed 10x on sexy rating with new update ? =P`
`20:42.17`	`vhaarr`	`Saroz: You'd better find out, then :)`
`20:42.21`	`Saroz`	`I will`
`20:42.32`	`vhaarr`	`Saroz: I don't want to do a full aura scan after zoning to/from an instance if we don't have to.`
`20:42.40`	`Saroz`	`I know`
`20:42.46`	`Saroz`	`I don't want you to :)`
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`20:43.19`	`mjc`	`sylvanaar: /lastlog ftw`
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`20:43.38`	`mjc`	`wb ckk`
`20:44.13`	`Saroz`	`vhaarr, my main problem atm is that I can't see if a buff is dispellable or castable, since that data isnt returned from UnitDebuff/UnitBuff, so I can't migrate my last few functions`
`20:44.22`	`vhaarr`	`Saroz: oh`
`20:44.29`	`Saroz`	`dunno how to get around that`
`20:44.44`	`Saroz`	`dispelling is easy, but buffing shrug`
`20:44.56`	`pastamancer`	`Saroz: scan the spellbook`
`20:45.08`	`pastamancer`	`you're already doing it for the range checking`
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`20:45.18`	`Saroz`	`that was my solution yes`
`20:45.34`	`Saroz`	`need a direct line to slouken`
`20:45.36`	`Saroz`	`:p`
`20:45.45`	`Saroz`	`WTB GetSpellRange(spell)`
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`20:46.05`	`vhaarr`	`hrm, well, we could extend UnitHasDebuff and UnitHasBuff with the new returns.`
`20:46.18`	`Saroz`	`it's not returned`
`20:46.24`	`vhaarr`	`I know`
`20:46.28`	`pastamancer`	`heh, it's not so bad using gratuity since spellbook scanning isn't frequent`
`20:46.35`	`Saroz`	`true pastamancer`
`20:46.41`	`vhaarr`	`Saroz: Detox has code for spellbook scanning.`
`20:46.49`	`vhaarr`	`pastamancer: What was that ping about earlier?`
`20:46.56`	`vhaarr`	`pastamancer: pong, btw`
`20:46.57`	`vhaarr`	`:P`
`20:46.58`	`Saroz`	`vhaarr, yea I saw it, still a big solution for something that's already working`
`20:47.29`	`pastamancer`	`vhaarr: the buckets in SEEA, but I see the throttle limitations and posted thread about it`
`20:47.36`	`vhaarr`	`pastamancer: ah`
`20:47.46`	`vhaarr`	`I'll have to read the thread, then.`
`20:47.53`	`Saroz`	`yea, 0.2 bucket event? shiver`
`20:48.00`	`vhaarr`	`meh`
`20:48.06`	`vhaarr`	`Could make it 0.1.`
`20:48.08`	`pastamancer`	`http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=3671.0`
`20:48.26`	`sbu`	`eewwww`
`20:48.43`	`vhaarr`	`pastamancer: Right.`
`20:48.43`	`Saroz`	`fucking forum theme`
`20:48.44`	`sbu`	`red flashing dot on cartographer -> in combat?`
`20:48.58`	`sbu`	`looks very nice`
`20:49.04`	`pastamancer`	`Saroz: forum theme problems?`
`20:49.13`	`Saroz`	`can't see the entire code bits`
`20:49.20`	`vhaarr`	`Saroz: Just make sure you do a full refresh.`
`20:49.22`	`pastamancer`	`what browser?`
`20:49.25`	`vhaarr`	`The CSS hasn't expired yet.`
`20:49.26`	`Saroz`	`firefox ofc`
`20:49.31`	`vhaarr`	`pastamancer: Cache-Control.`
`20:49.34`	`Saroz`	`ah thx vhaarr, that fixed it`
`20:49.40`	`vhaarr`	`pastamancer: The browser doesn't re-fetch the CSS until it expires.`
`20:49.47`	`pastamancer`	`yeah`
`20:50.42`	`Amadeo`	`I just put in X-Perl UnitFrames, just for the hell of it...and I have to say, the Warmup numbers are much lower than I expected`
`20:51.26`	`Saroz`	`I removed warmup`
`20:51.39`	`Amadeo`	`456k combined, I left out the raid frames and stuff though`
`20:51.50`	`Saroz`	`whats ag_uf?`
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`20:52.10`	`Amadeo`	`not sure, I can't get what I need out of agUF so I stopped using it`
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`20:52.26`	`sylvanaar`	`Amadeo: i love x-perl`
`20:52.39`	`Amadeo`	`sylvanaar: I expected it to be much more resource intensive`
`20:52.43`	`kenlyric\|work`	`ok, atlas and atlasloot now removed... one step closer...`
`20:52.46`	`Saroz`	`I love ag_uf`
`20:53.00`	`kenlyric\|work`	`ag_uf is very limiting. Does what I need it to, though.`
`20:53.08`	`Saroz`	`limiting?`
`20:53.10`	`Saroz`	`how so`
`20:53.22`	`kenlyric\|work`	`well, I haven't found a way for it to give me 20 six button bars.`
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`20:53.31`	`kenlyric\|work`	`or 120 single button bars.`
`20:53.32`	`Pucmel`	`uh ?`
`20:53.34`	`Saroz`	`ehhhh`
`20:53.35`	`Pucmel`	`aguf ?`
`20:53.42`	`Saroz`	`ag_UNITFRAMES`
`20:54.00`	`kenlyric\|work`	`damn< i always screw those up :)`
`20:54.09`	`kenlyric\|work`	`yes, ag_unitframes rocks out of the park :)`
`20:54.27`	`Amadeo`	`I don't like agUF buff/debuff placement`
`20:54.40`	`Amadeo`	`and I don't like filtering them because of it`
`20:54.45`	`odt`	`can't it be controlled in layouts?`
`20:54.54`	`Amadeo`	`but that's just my personal opinion on UFs :)`
`20:55.01`	`kenlyric\|work`	`i found them a lot easier to move than in perl.`
`20:55.17`	`CIA-17`	`03kirkburn * r21697 10ClearFont2/ (Changelog.txt Readme.txt): ClearFont2: Adding Readme.txt and updating changelog`
`20:55.19`	`Saroz`	`there was a ton of changes to debuffs in ag_uf a few weeks ago`
`20:55.20`	`kenlyric\|work`	`I do not like how the filtering is broken, but I can live with seeing all the buffs.`
`20:55.22`	`Saroz`	`like FINALLY 40 debuffs`
`20:55.23`	`Saroz`	`ftw`
`20:55.29`	`sylvanaar`	`not me - only thing what i cant get perl to do is widen the raid frames`
`20:55.52`	`kenlyric\|work`	`I haven't tested it in about a week, but when I turn filtering on ,it filters out weakened soul.`
`20:56.03`	`sylvanaar`	`everything else just works - i dont have to fuss with it`
`20:56.04`	`kenlyric\|work`	`which is an important debuff for me to see.`
`20:56.12`	`Amadeo`	`I like seeing all the buffs...I like buffs to be placed under party member frames and debuffs placed on the right side`
`20:56.14`	`Saroz`	`so show all debuffs`
`20:56.28`	`Amadeo`	`but with agUF, you have to have them all in the same place`
`20:56.35`	`kenlyric\|work`	`Saroz, right, but it's broken.`
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`20:56.48`	`kenlyric\|work`	`it could be broken on blizz's side, as I believe they decide what constitutes a class buff/debuff.`
`20:56.56`	`Saroz`	`k`
`20:57.04`	`kenlyric\|work`	`and since I can't dispel weakened soul, it might hide it from me.`
`20:57.14`	`Saroz`	`remove the filtering then`
`20:57.22`	`kenlyric\|work`	`that's what I did.`
`20:57.33`	`*** join/#wowace malreth (n=triti@dhcp-128-83-134-40.cc.utexas.edu)`
`20:59.03`	`sylvanaar`	`yeah, i think i got fed up with not being able to access the unit menus when i used clique`
`20:59.19`	`Saroz`	`works fine here`
`20:59.21`	`Saroz`	`l2clique`
`20:59.21`	`Tem`	`sylvanaar, ...`
`20:59.59`	`Tem`	`l2clique indeed`
`20:59.59`	`sylvanaar`	`dont bother, it doesnt work on agUF`
`21:00.00`	`Tem`	`... yes it does`
`21:00.00`	`Saroz`	`clique has a few annoyances though`
`21:00.00`	`Kirkburn`	`Wonderfully I had to restart when I just committed - did it show up?`
`21:00.00`	`Tem`	`are you dumb?`
`21:00.01`	`Saroz`	`it does sylvanaar`
`21:00.01`	`Tem`	`I use clique with agUF`
`21:00.10`	`sylvanaar`	`he captures ALT or CTRL`
`21:00.11`	`vhaarr`	`Works fine for me.`
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`21:00.15`	`Tem`	`no, he doesn't`
`21:00.15`	`Saroz`	`I use SHIFT + RIGHTCLICK`
`21:00.22`	`Saroz`	`because right click is cleanse for me`
`21:00.27`	`Saroz`	`and even if I'm out of combat, it fucks up`
`21:00.29`	`Saroz`	`shrug`
`21:00.33`	`Saroz`	`but I survive`
`21:00.42`	`Tem`	`Saroz, that's fixed in a recent version`
`21:00.46`	`Tem`	`you should update`
`21:00.46`	`Saroz`	`\o/`
`21:00.50`	`Saroz`	`I should yes`
`21:01.03`	`Tem`	`users that bind right click and then complain that they can't use unit menus amuse me`
`21:01.12`	`sylvanaar`	`i was patching the logic for ALT or CTRL to ALT and CTRL`
`21:01.13`	`malreth`	`~seen grennon`
`21:01.26`	`purl`	`grennon <n=jeramy@user-0cdv8vd.cable.mindspring.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 61d 20h 59m 22s ago, saying: 'and i used it to do some of the work serious buff timers was doing with formatting'.`
`21:01.26`	`Tem`	`s/amuse me/make me want to strangle them/`
`21:01.26`	`*** join/#wowace Sole (n=no@203-118-186-231.bliink.ihug.co.nz)`
`21:01.26`	`Sole`	`yo`
`21:01.29`	`kenlyric\|work`	`census+ and auctioneer are now my only nonace mods... laziness ftw!`
`21:01.38`	`Saroz`	`Tem, I have the latest version :p`
`21:02.04`	`Tem`	`Saroz, have you checked out from his svn?`
`21:02.15`	`Sole`	`kenlyric: wtf do you need census+ for? and KC_Items can replace auctioneer`
`21:02.22`	`Saroz`	`no, wowinterface`
`21:02.36`	`Sole`	`although KC_Items is still Ace1 but Kael is working on a rewrite`
`21:02.39`	`Tem`	`oh, I know why he hasn't updated to wowi yet`
`21:02.47`	`Saroz`	`give SVN!`
`21:02.47`	`Tem`	`haven't tagged a new dongle`
`21:02.52`	`kenlyric\|work`	`I like having my character's levelling rates tracked.`
`21:03.03`	`malreth`	`will KC_Items do the market analysis that auctioneer does?`
`21:03.15`	`Sole`	`it already does`
`21:03.19`	`kenlyric\|work`	`and I have some serious issues with the prices KC_items uses to make auctions.`
`21:03.27`	`Tem`	`malreth, it does already, but not to the same extent that auc does`
`21:03.30`	`Codayus`	`malreth: Somewhat.`
`21:03.35`	`kenlyric\|work`	`though, that may be related to a bug i'm having with vendor priceses being hosed.`
`21:03.43`	`CIA-17`	`03kirkburn * r21698 10ClearFont2/CustomDesign.lua: ClearFont2: Added a basic nearly empty custom design file`
`21:03.57`	`Tem`	`I do not know what Kael's plans for the future of that area are`
`21:03.57`	`kenlyric\|work`	`both informant and KC_Items get locked down on the vendor price of one item, and display that as the vendor price of all my items.`
`21:04.03`	`kenlyric\|work`	`I'm not sure if it's a tooltip bug, or what.`
`21:04.13`	`CIA-17`	`03rabbit * r21699 10SpecialEventsEmbed/SpecialEvents-Aura-2.0/SpecialEvents-Aura-2.0.lua: .SpecialEvents-Aura-2.0: Re-scan all auras on PLAYER_LOGIN, since we'll have a clean state then.`
`21:04.17`	`vhaarr`	`Saroz: Try that.`
`21:04.28`	`vhaarr`	`Saroz: PLAYER_LOGIN fires on a login or ReloadUI, but not on zoning.`
`21:04.30`	`CIA-17`	`03kirkburn * r21700 10ClearFont2/Design.lua: ClearFont2: Some general info updates`
`21:04.38`	`vhaarr`	`Saroz: I'm not sure if buff/debuffs are available then, however.`
`21:04.41`	`vhaarr`	`Tem: Do you know?`
`21:04.46`	`Tem`	`Do I know what?`
`21:04.50`	`vhaarr`	`Tem: Are buffs/debuffs available at PLAYER_LOGIN?`
`21:04.54`	`Saroz`	`vhaarr, will test`
`21:04.58`	`Tem`	`they aren't, iirc`
`21:05.00`	`vhaarr`	`bah`
`21:05.04`	`Tem`	`but it's okay though`
`21:05.13`	`vhaarr`	`hm?`
`21:05.19`	`Tem`	`they fire the relevant buff event when they are available`
`21:05.33`	`vhaarr`	`oh`
`21:05.45`	`Tem`	`so you shouldn't have to worry about initialization`
`21:05.47`	`vhaarr`	`Tem: So there's really no need to do a full buff/debuff scan on reloadUI?`
`21:05.51`	`vhaarr`	`Or initial login?`
`21:05.55`	`Tem`	`not afaik`
`21:05.58`	`vhaarr`	`hah`
`21:05.59`	`kenlyric\|work`	`I can't remeember... do I need CharacterInfo and CharacterInfoStorage for OneView to work?`
`21:06.02`	`Saroz`	`it doesnt fire buffs when you reloadui`
`21:06.12`	`Saroz`	`buffs already on units doesnt fire`
`21:06.27`	`Tem`	`Saroz, I haven't tested for buff specifically, but it does fire for the tracking skill`
`21:06.29`	`sylvanaar`	`function aUF.classes.aUFunit.prototype:OnShowMenu(unit)`
`21:06.29`	`sylvanaar`	`if (IsAltKeyDown() or IsControlKeyDown()) then`
`21:06.30`	`Tem`	`which works like a buff`
`21:06.49`	`sylvanaar`	`that is not clique friendly`
`21:07.23`	`Tem`	`sylvanaar, that's for the aguf menu`
`21:07.31`	`Saroz`	`indeed`
`21:07.31`	`Tem`	`the config menu for that unit type`
`21:07.32`	`sylvanaar`	`i know`
`21:07.37`	`Tem`	`so what are you bitching about`
`21:07.57`	`sylvanaar`	`what modifiers do you use for that non-aguf one`
`21:08.06`	`sylvanaar`	`since he takes 2`
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`21:08.24`	`frollo`	`yo all`
`21:08.31`	`Saroz`	`Sem, when you join a raid, does it fire all events for units already in the raid?`
`21:08.53`	`frollo`	`alright everybody here is a question for ya :) what mod can you just not live w/o?`
`21:09.06`	`malreth`	`DevTools`
`21:09.09`	`vhaarr`	`frollo: like .. "name only one"?`
`21:09.14`	`Tem`	`DevTools`
`21:09.25`	`[dRaCo]`	`[ammo], got a moment?`
`21:09.26`	`Eej`	`Anzac Poker m i rite`
`21:09.28`	`Tem`	`annoys the PISS out of me when I try to /dump or /reload and it's not enabled`
`21:09.28`	`vhaarr`	`I could definetely live without DevTools, quite happily.`
`21:09.31`	`Saroz`	`I think it might be because i register SpecialEvents_UnitBuffGained too late in the process`
`21:09.36`	`Saroz`	`same, <3 /dump`
`21:09.36`	`frollo`	`whats special about devtools is special`
`21:09.39`	`vhaarr`	`Tem: Ace2 has /dump and /rl`
`21:09.40`	`malreth`	`i'm math stupid so i'm always like /dump 5*31 and stuff`
`21:09.53`	`Saroz`	`Ace2 has that malreth`
`21:09.53`	`sylvanaar`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:09.54`	`Tem`	`malreth, lol I do the same`
`21:09.57`	`sylvanaar`	`who knew`
`21:09.58`	`vhaarr`	`sylvanaar: Yes.`
`21:10.02`	`Saroz`	`and it's pretty :p`
`21:10.02`	`Tem`	`vhaarr, it's not as good as Iriel's version`
`21:10.10`	`vhaarr`	`Tem: Make it better, then.`
`21:10.17`	`Saroz`	`I think it's good shrug`
`21:10.19`	`Tem`	`INCONCEIVABLE`
`21:10.23`	`vhaarr`	`I think it's good, too.`
`21:10.28`	`vhaarr`	`Looks better than Iriels imo.`
`21:10.30`	`malreth`	`vhaarr: He doesn't have to make it better... DevTools already exists`
`21:10.32`	`Kirov`	`Tem - Ace2 DevTools`
`21:10.42`	`Saroz`	`devtools wont hide the damn event monitor, so I cant keep it enabled`
`21:10.43`	`malreth`	`:D`
`21:10.46`	`vhaarr`	`malreth: I don't use DevTools, the event frame is just in the way.`
`21:10.51`	`Tem`	`Saroz, also, update yourself damnit`
`21:10.54`	`vhaarr`	`malreth: Ace2 gives me what I need.`
`21:10.55`	`zoktar`	`what addon does auto oom and low on health vemotes ?`
`21:11.00`	`malreth`	`that's nice`
`21:11.00`	`kergoth`	`latest version of devtools has it hidden by default`
`21:11.01`	`vhaarr`	`zoktar: SCT.`
`21:11.09`	`zoktar`	`MSbt 2 ?`
`21:11.16`	`Tem`	`zoktar, don't do auto emotes on low mana/health`
`21:11.17`	`kergoth`	`zoktar: automaton does the emotes if you want it to`
`21:11.21`	`kergoth`	`but its the devil`
`21:11.22`	`Tem`	`zoktar, it's annoying as hell`
`21:11.24`	`kenlyric\|work`	`they just added Killing Blow to sct, didn't they?`
`21:11.26`	`vhaarr`	`In any case, if I had to answer "What one addon can you not live without", the answer would NOT be DevTools.`
`21:11.29`	`zoktar`	`i have both msbt and automation`
`21:11.36`	`vhaarr`	`It would be ...`
`21:11.37`	`Saroz`	`wowinterface needs a fucking e-mail notification tool for when a new version of favorite mods are released.. if it has that, then I surrender`
`21:11.41`	`zoktar`	`one of them is doing it was just wondering wich one it was ;P`
`21:11.54`	`vhaarr`	`ErrorMonster, I think.`
`21:11.57`	`vhaarr`	`<3`
`21:12.07`	`snurre`	`aguf`
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`21:12.14`	`Saroz`	`hrrrm`
`21:12.15`	`sylvanaar`	`i miss luaslinger (sorta) and the in game table viewer from fubar_debu*`
`21:12.18`	`Dranor`	`aguf + bartender`
`21:12.24`	`vhaarr`	`one addon.`
`21:12.26`	`Saroz`	`I couldn't live without my raid frames, or clique`
`21:12.28`	`Mikma`	`lolo`
`21:12.30`	`zoktar`	`was automation i think nice addition!`
`21:12.32`	`Dranor`	`hm...`
`21:12.33`	`vhaarr`	`keke`
`21:12.33`	`sylvanaar`	`clique`
`21:12.35`	`Mikma`	`loser's choice! aguf + bartender`
`21:12.36`	`Dranor`	`bartender`
`21:12.47`	`kergoth`	`i'd have a hard time picking one, i can live without any`
`21:12.48`	`Kinkx`	`I love all my addons, I don't play favorites, everyone of them gets the same attention and love ;P`
`21:12.50`	`Dranor`	`i can live with blizzards unitframes`
`21:12.52`	`kergoth`	`but bartender3 would be close`
`21:13.04`	`Eej`	`oh i know`
`21:13.07`	`Eej`	`Simpleminimap`
`21:13.09`	`vhaarr`	`ErrorMonster will eat you all unless you admit it's the #1 addon you can't live without.`
`21:13.13`	`Saroz`	`nono Eej`
`21:13.14`	`vhaarr`	`I TELLS YE`
`21:13.15`	`Dranor`	`Mikma: lazy loser maybe :P`
`21:13.28`	`Eej`	`actually, Anzac Poker is still the first imo`
`21:13.38`	`Tem`	`I can't play my shaman without clique`
`21:13.38`	`malreth`	`next to DevTools, I would have to say any addon that provides for mousewheel scrolling of the chat window`
`21:13.40`	`Dranor`	`i can stand most of default interface but the toolbars`
`21:13.42`	`Eej`	`nothing like engaging in illegal gambling in WoW!`
`21:13.53`	`Tem`	`malreth, I haven't had that for all of beta because I`
`21:13.54`	`Tem`	`'m`
`21:14.00`	`Tem`	`just too damn lazy to install something for it`
`21:14.04`	`sylvanaar`	`I want a log capture mod`
`21:14.06`	`Tem`	`and it's annoyed the hell out of me`
`21:14.07`	`vhaarr`	`malreth: That's not an addon, that's 1 line of code :P`
`21:14.13`	`vhaarr`	`Tem: idChatLegacy is on the SVN.`
`21:14.20`	`malreth`	`it's 1 line of code that should be added to the default UI`
`21:14.21`	`snurre`	`my answer would be "any addon that doesnt look like the default ui"`
`21:14.23`	`krka`	`miss luaslinger? isn't that working any more?`
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`21:14.39`	`Kinkx`	`There is a new LuaSlinger I thought`
`21:14.56`	`sylvanaar`	`might be, i dont have it`
`21:15.08`	`krka`	`i had a working luaslinger in tbc beta anyway`
`21:15.13`	`kergoth`	`i used tinypad for quite a while, then went to omnibus`
`21:15.13`	`Kinkx`	`Actually, i'm pretty sure there is, I downloaded it.. but might as well just use Tinypad`
`21:15.19`	`Necrathex`	`ehh, garbageFu can destroy your items without warning? :O`
`21:15.44`	`Necrathex`	`scary`
`21:15.59`	`Tem`	`TinyPad > luaslinger`
`21:16.16`	`Tem`	`TinyPad + FAIAP > *`
`21:16.19`	`Kirov`	`TinyPad needs one feature (ok, maybe 2) to make it perfect`
`21:16.21`	`Kinkx`	`;D`
`21:16.23`	`sylvanaar`	`< > >`
`21:16.30`	`Kirov`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:16.30`	`frollo`	`what does devtools do? it looks like all it does is allow /restart or something`
`21:16.41`	`Tem`	`Kirov, I think that's already done`
`21:16.41`	`Kirov`	`and make the page number an edit field`
`21:16.51`	`Kirov`	`Tem - /page run # works`
`21:16.54`	`Tem`	`ah`
`21:16.56`	`mjc`	`frollo: used to implement /print`
`21:16.57`	`zoktar`	`zoktar reccomennds >>>> http://ui.worldofwar.net/ui.php?id=3656`
`21:17.24`	`CIA-17`	`03andalia * r21701 10BattleChat/ (BattleChat.lua BattleChat.toc):`
`21:17.24`	`CIA-17`	`BattleChat:`
`21:17.24`	`CIA-17`	`- Removed non-existent parserlib-files from .toc`
`21:17.24`	`CIA-17`	`- Reduced font size to 10 because of clearfont2`
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`21:17.55`	`Saladin`	`zoktar: haha brilliant addon`
`21:18.04`	`[Liquidor]`	`Mode to deactivate PMs? (IRC)`
`21:18.09`	`zoktar`	`Saladin its a must have for any fury warrior ;)`
`21:18.12`	`Kinkx`	`/pad # to open a page works here`
`21:18.16`	`zoktar`	`Saladin even screen shake effect!`
`21:18.22`	`sylvanaar`	`good for dps classes`
`21:19.26`	`markv`	`what is a musth ave?`
`21:19.41`	`malreth`	`frollo: DevTools has several commands... the wowinterface page for it lists features`
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`21:19.49`	`Saroz`	`arggg, cant close loot windows in cartographer`
`21:20.04`	`Kinkx`	`Battlefield commander is pretty good, actually it's THE BEST BG MAP mod ever ;P`
`21:20.15`	`Kinkx`	`I just love the battlemap it has`
`21:20.23`	`andremar_`	`Saroz: click the boss again`
`21:20.34`	`Saroz`	`cant`
`21:20.36`	`Saroz`	`in AV now`
`21:20.51`	`andremar_`	`just select the map of the instance`
`21:20.55`	`Kinkx`	`Lets you see where people are, target them, and you can see exactly where they are on the map, and you can hover over them to see their class and health percentage, and also if they are in combat`
`21:20.58`	`Saroz`	`yea, that's totally user friendly`
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`21:23.52`	`mjc`	`zoktar: on my tauren, reporthug says "you cannot speak that langauge"`
`21:24.01`	`zoktar`	`yeah the hug things bugged`
`21:24.12`	`zoktar`	`and the audio files can be bit loud`
`21:24.23`	`zoktar`	`but rest is nice part from the shake effect getting blocked sometimes`
`21:24.33`	`kenlyric\|work`	`jonothan coulton audio emotes rock. Need more!`
`21:24.46`	`zoktar`	`can turn off the audio stuff in options`
`21:24.52`	`zoktar`	`or not add the soundpack`
`21:25.07`	`mjc`	`"the value a crit has to be to be important for your e-peen"`
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`21:26.25`	Funkeh`	`ckknight: ping`
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`21:29.39`	`syeren`	`Otravi???`
`21:29.51`	`syeren`	`Not here -_-`
`21:29.54`	`mjc`	`~seen haste`
`21:30.32`	`purl`	`haste is currently on #wowi-lounge, last said: 'bye'.`
`21:30.32`	Funkeh`	`anyone any ideas why clicking on the notes in naxx shows loot but in ZF it does not?(cartographer) and yeah PT has ZF loot`
`21:30.32`	`syeren`	`In his next fucking update of his casting bars, he could put a fucking test bar in so I don't have 3 seconds to put a casting bar into a pixel perfect posistion with a fucking 2000 DPI Mouse.`
`21:30.32`	`kergoth`	`are the names of the notes -exactly- the names of the mobs in PT?`
`21:30.32`	`syeren`	`Been doing this for fucking 15 minutes now :(`
`21:30.38`	Funkeh`	`ill check`
`21:30.44`	`malreth`	`hey! don't fucking curse!`
`21:30.47`	`LLoydBates`	`Sairen: ping`
`21:30.56`	`syeren`	`malreth, I'm just getting angry ;p`
`21:31.02`	`mjc`	`syeren: my mouse has a "slow down" button on it :P`
`21:31.05`	`syeren`	`Every other addon has a test feature which lasts 10 seconds ;p`
`21:31.08`	`Saroz`	`vhaarr, revert your last commit -.-`
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`21:31.19`	`Saroz`	`something is fubar now`
`21:31.21`	`syeren`	`So does mine, but by the time I manage to 'grab' the bar the cast finishes.`
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`21:31.47`	`snurre`	`just use hearthstone, then you have 10sec`
`21:31.53`	`snurre`	`instead f 3`
`21:31.55`	`mjc`	`hahah`
`21:31.58`	`LLoydBates`	`Saroz: sRaidFraimes: is there a way to disable debuffcoloring for debuffs i cant dispell? ...`
`21:32.04`	`mjc`	`summon, that way it takes 500 seconds`
`21:32.07`	`haarm`	`syeren, use something with a longer cast time? mount? hearthstone?`
`21:32.08`	`kergoth`	`mjc: this uml kernel just dumped a bunch of messages`
`21:32.12`	`kergoth`	`"Something isn't implemented in here"`
`21:32.13`	`mjc`	`nice`
`21:32.16`	`kergoth`	`hehe`
`21:32.17`	`Saroz`	`LLoydBates, soon`
`21:32.18`	`LLoydBates`	`nvm, just realised is just shouldset alpha to transparent`
`21:32.20`	`mjc`	`what did you try to do`
`21:32.35`	`LLoydBates`	`that way i wont see the color ^^`
`21:33.14`	`syeren`	`Can someone make an addon that just puts a user definable grid on the whole of the screen?`
`21:33.24`	`LLoydBates`	`hm,. but it it will still override "my debuffcolor" .. right? :\`
`21:33.25`	`syeren`	`So I can make sure my addons are perfect :(`
`21:33.38`	`malreth`	`yeah... someone has`
`21:33.45`	`haarm`	`so many pepple asked for that, and i'm sure someone said it existed already syeren`
`21:33.54`	`syeren`	`I need to find it.`
`21:34.02`	`Saroz`	`LLoydBates?`
`21:34.02`	`malreth`	`i've seen one on wowinterface.com`
`21:34.55`	`LLoydBates`	`Saroz: well, i'm a priest. i can dispell magic and disease. if there is magic on it it gets red. but if it gets also a curse ... well, color -> curse`
`21:35.17`	`Saroz`	`purple`
`21:35.23`	`LLoydBates`	`and the only way to check if the magic is still on i have to target`
`21:35.27`	`LLoydBates`	`yeah, purple`
`21:35.29`	`Saroz`	`ah`
`21:35.30`	`Saroz`	`yea`
`21:35.36`	`nymbia`	`syeren: there was one that wasnt working for 2.0 that i converted, but i'm not sure if it got posted anywhere after that -- i can email it to ya if you want`
`21:36.05`	`Saroz`	`well, you can go to sRaidFrames.lua now, and set self.statusmaps["Debuff_Magic"] to a higher priority :p`
`21:36.08`	`sylvanaar`	`that would be clever to do alpha blending on the debuffs`
`21:36.14`	`LLoydBates`	`will to, thx`
`21:36.18`	`sylvanaar`	`er color blending`
`21:36.26`	`mjc`	`good idea`
`21:37.12`	`mjc`	`I should make myself a clique function that casts decurse if target is cursed, else cast remove poison if a poison is stacked, etc`
`21:37.26`	`syeren`	`nymbia, if you could do that it would be awesome.`
`21:37.28`	`Tem`	`mjc, not possible`
`21:37.40`	`syeren`	`I'm getting angry trying to posistion things without some form of grid on my screen :(`
`21:38.04`	`Feldia`	`does anyone know when this "advanced mode" is going to be added to bartender3?`
`21:38.05`	`malreth`	`i think you need to step away from the computer, then...`
`21:38.14`	`mjc`	`syeren: sec, there is a mod for that`
`21:38.17`	`nymbia`	`syeren: address?`
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`21:38.36`	`vhaarr`	`Saroz: what's wrong?`
`21:38.41`	`syeren`	`syeren@gmail.com`
`21:38.48`	`Saroz`	`sct says it can't find SEEA now`
`21:38.50`	`syeren`	`As long as I can define the grid, I won't have problems ;p`
`21:38.51`	`Saroz`	`lib instance etc`
`21:39.24`	`sylvanaar`	`red curse, blue magic, green poison, then purple curse/magic, yellow curse/poison, magenta curse/magic white all 3`
`21:39.28`	`mjc`	`syeren: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info4948-SnapToGrid.html`
`21:39.34`	`nymbia`	`syeren: on the way`
`21:41.05`	`vhaarr`	`Saroz: Works fine here.`
`21:41.10`	`Saroz`	`vhaarr, hrm, k`
`21:41.22`	`Saroz`	`ah, sct implemented SEEA today I saw, maybe he fucked it up`
`21:41.35`	`Saroz`	`I can't decide if I want to scan the spellbook or put in checkboxes for each debuff type, first would prob. be better`
`21:41.37`	`syeren`	`Nymbia, which one would you suggest I use?`
`21:41.44`	`vhaarr`	`Saroz: No, I have the latest revision, and it works.`
`21:41.44`	`syeren`	`The one you modded or the one MJC linked?`
`21:41.51`	`Saroz`	`vhaarr, of SCT?`
`21:41.53`	`vhaarr`	`yes`
`21:42.09`	`Saroz`	`odd`
`21:42.56`	Funkeh`	`kergoth: mobs are spealth correctly, it seems only certain instances are affected, but i made sure the instances are spelt correctly also`
`21:43.06`	`CIA-17`	`03benumbed * r21702 10Henge/Modules/RuneHenge/ (Locale_enUS.lua RuneHenge.lua): Henge: Fixed RuneHenge to work (Mage Module)`
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`21:43.30`	`greylock`	`hmm i have some issues with Cartographer/Cartographer_Herbalism`
`21:43.35`	`nymbia`	`syeren: they do different things. the linked one aligns the frame you're dragging with other frames automatically, the one i sent just draws a grid on your screen.`
`21:43.57`	`[dRaCo]`	`Aight, I found out what's causing the weird behaviour of oRA2`
`21:44.06`	`greylock`	`when im on my char with Herbalism i see all the herbs on the map with their icons (apart from grave moss, but who cares)`
`21:44.21`	`nevcairiel`	`grave moos is teh important`
`21:44.29`	`Saroz`	`grave moss is fucking gone gusy`
`21:44.32`	`Saroz`	`I'm emo!`
`21:44.35`	`greylock`	`thing is`
`21:44.38`	`vhaarr`	`[dRaCo]: What?`
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`21:44.54`	`greylock`	`on my miner i see all the herb posis as well, but as questionmarks`
`21:44.58`	`nevcairiel`	`i should look up the next biger shadow protection pot on beta`
`21:45.15`	`[dRaCo]`	`You can't set people as player target that joined the raid after you entered the instance and killed some mobs`
`21:45.25`	`[dRaCo]`	`At least I can't`
`21:45.29`	`greylock`	`but i cant see the mining nodes :/`
`21:46.30`	`greylock`	`any clue?`
`21:47.30`	`mjc`	`cause you suck`
`21:47.38`	`CIA-17`	`03rabbit * r21703 10Ace2/AceAddon-2.0/AceAddon-2.0.lua: .AceAddon-2.0: Move the initialization of the addons to after the pending addons have been split off, to prevent a duplicate Unregister call for ADDON_LOADED.`
`21:49.23`	`mjc`	`is there any way to make ADDON_ACTION_BLOCKED a little more descriptive forw hen it occurs inside Ace2?`
`21:49.32`	`mjc`	`eg, from an ace2 mod that does something stupid`
`21:50.02`	`sylvanaar`	`when do you see that`
`21:50.28`	`haarm`	`can anyone recommend some really versatile decompression tool? i have a chunk of binary data and i'm not sure on the compression algorithm used on it, and I want to try a bunch of things`
`21:50.34`	`mjc`	`when other mods do something retarded in combat`
`21:50.39`	`Necrathex`	`this whisper reply of La Vendetta is so cool`
`21:50.44`	`sylvanaar`	`^.^`
`21:50.45`	`mjc`	`like cycircled updating the status bars`
`21:50.57`	`[Ammo]`	`[dRaCo]: weird`
`21:51.01`	`Feldia`	`Necrathex, what does it do`
`21:51.02`	`mjc`	`haarm: 7zip?`
`21:51.09`	`mjc`	`7-zip.org`
`21:51.20`	`[Ammo]`	`[dRaCo]: I just add the player to a nameList on a secure header`
`21:51.24`	`Nargiddley`	`[dRaCo], you are trying to add them out of combat right?`
`21:51.50`	`Necrathex`	`Feldia: you whisper someone when he's raiding, you get reply: "BLah is busy fighting Boss - 23% - 36/40 people alive.`
`21:51.52`	`sylvanaar`	`prolly need things like forensic tools that can run pattern matches`
`21:52.01`	`Feldia`	`oh right, I saw that.... somewhere`
`21:52.12`	`[dRaCo]`	`I was, sure`
`21:52.12`	`haarm`	`mjc, it's not 7zipped, i got a hunch it's some salted zlib thing`
`21:52.13`	`Necrathex`	`Feldia: and then you can whisper status to ask about % and ppl alive`
`21:52.16`	`mjc`	`Necrathex: relatively easy to make a bigwigs module`
`21:52.25`	`[Ammo]`	`and completely and UTTERLY useless`
`21:52.29`	`Feldia`	`personally I'd rather not allow people to do that`
`21:52.32`	`Feldia`	`top secret progression!`
`21:52.35`	`[Ammo]`	`so adding BigWigs_ infront of it will make me strangle you`
`21:52.38`	`mjc`	`haarm: 7zip gui for windows can extract a bunch of stuff, if it's salted, you'd need to have the salt...`
`21:52.43`	`Necrathex`	`:/`
`21:52.45`	`[dRaCo]`	`Any info I can provide on that bug, ammo=`
`21:52.46`	`Necrathex`	`it's not useless`
`21:52.46`	`[dRaCo]`	`?`
`21:52.51`	`haarm`	`i have possible salts :P`
`21:52.53`	`Necrathex`	`you get bothered by ppl while raiding`
`21:53.01`	`Feldia`	`oh I know`
`21:53.06`	`Feldia`	`it's handy for some people`
`21:53.11`	`Necrathex`	`now they get ignored but you have a fancy answering machine`
`21:53.15`	`Feldia`	`but if someone whispers me while raiding.. and expects an immediate response`
`21:53.16`	`vhaarr`	`Necrathex: Who cares, we're just saying you can't put BigWigs_ in front of it, go code it if you want to :)`
`21:53.16`	`Mikma`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErFu6WVMH0s`
`21:53.19`	`Feldia`	`I likely don't care to respond ;)`
`21:53.24`	`Necrathex`	`great for raid leaders/guild officers who get a lot of whispers`
`21:53.37`	`Necrathex`	`vhaarr: kk ;)`
`21:53.43`	`vhaarr`	`Necrathex: There's a command called /dnd, I suggest you start using it.`
`21:53.50`	`Necrathex`	`i know that command -_-`
`21:54.09`	`Feldia`	`I can't imagine that'd be very difficult to code for bigwigs`
`21:54.11`	`vhaarr`	`It's the same thing, just without a progress report which noone cares about.`
`21:54.13`	`Feldia`	`though granted, I have no idea how to do it`
`21:54.31`	`vhaarr`	`It wouldn't need BigWigs at all, it's simple.`
`21:54.41`	`vhaarr`	`Just needs Babble-Boss.`
`21:54.43`	`axxo`	`yuou'd get ppl spamming you just to see if your wiping`
`21:54.45`	`Mikma`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PhA36qRtKk`
`21:54.48`	`Feldia`	`well, the bigwigs boss modules would make it a bit easier no doubt`
`21:54.54`	`[Ammo]`	`[dRaCo]: no idea, since the bug is unknown to me`
`21:54.54`	`vhaarr`	`Feldia: It wouldn't.`
`21:55.13`	`syeren`	`Nymbia, everything is perfect thanks ^_^`
`21:55.28`	`syeren`	`Now all I need to do is workout if I can change the size of the Aura icons on AG Unitframes.`
`21:55.41`	`syeren`	`If I could, that would be awesome.`
`21:55.45`	`Feldia`	`bleh @ ag_uf`
`21:55.57`	`Feldia`	`if it could just seperate buffs / debuffs`
`21:56.01`	`Feldia`	`I'd love it`
`21:56.12`	`kenlyric\|work`	`um.`
`21:56.20`	`Feldia`	`there's a branch that kinda does it`
`21:56.20`	`kenlyric\|work`	`since when doesn't it?`
`21:56.26`	`Feldia`	`it puts them all in one frame`
`21:56.30`	`[dRaCo]`	`I can try to reproduce it next time`
`21:56.30`	`Feldia`	`just buffs go first`
`21:56.31`	`Feldia`	`then debuffs`
`21:56.33`	`Feldia`	`kinda thing`
`21:56.52`	`Feldia`	`I can't, for example, but buffs below the frame`
`21:56.55`	`Feldia`	`and debuffs to the right`
`21:57.01`	`kenlyric\|work`	`oh, right.`
`21:57.10`	`kenlyric\|work`	`but you can have one line just for debuffs.`
`21:57.14`	`syeren`	`If it could do the buff sorting and I could change the icon size, I would love it even more :(`
`21:57.15`	`kenlyric\|work`	`like the default fram has.`
`21:57.25`	`syeren`	But I've only ever seen Ag` in here active once ;p
`21:57.29`	vid`	`someone write an addon to block fubar tooltips in combat~ :P`
`21:57.33`	`[Ammo]`	`[dRaCo]: did the name get added to the tooltip and did the frame just not show up?`
`21:57.44`	`[Ammo]`	`if that's the case it's a problem with the secure header`
`21:57.52`	`[Ammo]`	`if it didn't work at all, you might have been in combat`
`21:57.58`	`Feldia`	`seperate lines is meh`
`21:58.16`	`[dRaCo]`	`didn't work at all`
`21:58.24`	`[dRaCo]`	`but I tried it several times`
`21:58.37`	`[dRaCo]`	`And I am sure that I haven't been in combat`
`21:59.07`	`mjc`	`syeren: you're a noob, it's the holidays`
`21:59.24`	`[Ammo]`	`weird`
`21:59.32`	`[Ammo]`	`specially if it was only one person not working`
`21:59.41`	`axxo`	`bah i have one spell ocd refuses to show unless i pop open spellbook, and i can't figure out why`
`22:00.10`	`[dRaCo]`	`At first I thought is was just one`
`22:00.32`	`[dRaCo]`	`But I tried the whole raid and everybody who was late couldnt be added`
`22:00.40`	Funkeh`	`ok i found the problem with cartographer not loading loot for some bosses`
`22:00.50`	`[dRaCo]`	`late meaning he joined the raid after we killed the first mobs`
`22:00.52`	`[Ammo]`	`weird`
`22:00.59`	Funkeh`	`its not loadaing any internal bosses, only babble boss bosses`
`22:01.01`	`nadas`	`hmm, this might be a stupid question.. is the oRA2 ressurection monitor out of order or is mu UI bugged? :)`
`22:01.04`	Funkeh`	`loading*`
`22:01.11`	`[Ammo]`	`nadas ?`
`22:01.16`	`[Ammo]`	`'out of order' ?`
`22:01.25`	`mjc`	`[Ammo]: sounds like a high byte character issue`
`22:01.36`	`[Ammo]`	`mjc: shouldn't be`
`22:01.40`	`mjc`	`[Ammo]: the "late people couldn't be added"`
`22:01.42`	`nadas`	`[Ammo]: it's enabled and i see the title but no resses showing up`
`22:01.57`	`[Ammo]`	`nadas: that's because CTRA's ress monitor borked :p`
`22:01.59`	`[Ammo]`	`I think`
`22:02.01`	`nadas`	`ah :)`
`22:02.07`	`[Ammo]`	`because it works for oRA2 users`
`22:02.11`	`neenee`	`doing BG in a window with irc and other stuff on my desktop is good :)`
`22:02.12`	`nadas`	`wouldn't surprise me`
`22:02.13`	`[Ammo]`	`that, or CTRA changed their messages`
`22:02.20`	Funkeh`	`nope`
`22:02.24`	`kergoth`	Funkeh`: the instance notes will be showing translated, but the text in PT probably isnt.. i'd expect it uses :GetReverseTranslation() to bridge the gap.. /me looks at the instanceloot code
`22:02.26`	Funkeh`	`it sends no message on res`
`22:02.31`	Funkeh`	`(ctra)`
`22:02.36`	`mjc`	`I had that happen after someone with a ê in their name joined the raid while in combat`
`22:02.45`	`[Ammo]`	`mjc: hmm`
`22:02.47`	Funkeh`	`kergoth: no`
`22:02.51`	`[Ammo]`	`mjc: but that should not bother oRA2`
`22:02.51`	`[dRaCo]`	`hehe`
`22:03.00`	`[dRaCo]`	`adding "San�o" worked for me ;)`
`22:03.01`	Funkeh`	`i added the boss to babble boss, and used a BB instead of L and it worked np`
`22:03.03`	`mjc`	`[Ammo]: blizz bug`
`22:03.11`	`[Ammo]`	`mjc: ok then it's not my problem`
`22:03.14`	`mjc`	`happened in the blizz unit frames too`
`22:03.20`	`mjc`	`yes, just thoguht you should know`
`22:03.27`	Funkeh`	`loaded the loot from PT`
`22:03.28`	`Mikma`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkX1oQsvNe0`
`22:03.57`	`[Ammo]`	`anyway, outa here again`
`22:04.03`	`[Ammo]`	`1.8 levels to go on my paladin :)`
`22:04.25`	`[Ammo]`	`and now it';s time for sleep`
`22:05.22`	`kergoth`	Funkeh`: as i just explained...
`22:05.23`	`kergoth`	`if mouseButton == "LeftButton" and object.title and BB:HasReverseTranslation(object.title) then`
`22:05.34`	`kergoth`	`thats why it only works with BB`
`22:05.44`	Funkeh`	`kergoth: sorry my apologies, just skimmed through what you said`
`22:06.02`	`kergoth`	`it has to get the english version of the text in the note and use taht to look up the loot`
`22:06.11`	`kergoth`	`but its only trying BB, not trying the AceLocale for PT as well`
`22:08.01`	`nymbia`	`kergoth: we could make it register the InstanceNotes AceLocale DB and check there too, but i'd rather just get those entries added to babble ;)`
`22:08.33`	`Mikma`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_gnWGNNVcM`
`22:08.51`	`kergoth`	`still, i could see a need for using the locale of instancenotes, we might want to think about having a non-boss note for "trash mobs" drops and such, the way metamap and others do`
`22:08.55`	`nymbia`	`i actually made a list of stuff that needed to get added to BB, just havent gotten around to actually adding stuff.`
`22:08.59`	`kergoth`	`or "all bosses" for stuff that drops from any in the instance`
`22:09.13`	`vhaarr`	`nymbia: Added to BB?`
`22:09.14`	`Elkano`	`I vote for a default note on Tabetha :/`
`22:09.17`	`vhaarr`	`nymbia: What's missing?`
`22:09.54`	`*** join/#wowace malreth_ (n=triti@dhcp-128-83-134-40.cc.utexas.edu)`
`22:09.56`	`nymbia`	`kergoth: the sets are there for that, good idea. ;)`
`22:10.16`	`nymbia`	`vhaarr: lots actually`
`22:10.23`	Funkeh`	`nymbia: the low level instance bosses to babble?`
`22:10.24`	`vhaarr`	`okay`
`22:10.25`	`Gngsk`	`anyone made a mod yet that toggles auto loot when you join/leave a party?`
`22:10.48`	Funkeh`	`i can add those np, alrady added ZF`
`22:10.49`	`kergoth`	`Gngsk: wouldnt that get confusing?`
`22:10.51`	`Daemona`	`sounds like something worth to be added to xloot ;)`
`22:11.03`	`Saroz`	`Uhm`
`22:11.09`	`vhaarr`	`Sounds like bloat. It won't autoloot BoP items anyway.`
`22:11.11`	`Stephmw`	`are there any ace bar mods that do their key bindings a bit like Trinity Bars does?`
`22:11.13`	`kergoth`	`i was confused enough trying to autoloot in beta and not in live, kept either holding shift down when i didnt want it, or not when i did`
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`22:11.26`	`vhaarr`	`indeed`
`22:11.26`	`Daemona`	`yeah but those torn scraps @ naxx e.g.`
`22:11.27`	`nymbia`	`vhaarr: lots of lowbie instances.. scarlet monastary, rfk, rfd, ragefire, blackfathom, wailing caverns, uldaman..`
`22:11.34`	`vhaarr`	`nymbia: Ah.`
`22:11.48`	`vhaarr`	`nymbia: If you add them, I'd like them listed categorized by instance.`
`22:11.54`	`nymbia`	`vhaarr: a few rare spawns in high level instance too.`
`22:11.55`	`vhaarr`	`nymbia: Like I did with outlands.`
`22:12.07`	`vhaarr`	`nymbia: Not sure if that's what ckk wants, but he hasn't complained yet.`
`22:12.12`	`nymbia`	`vhaarr: ok, sounds good.`
`22:12.26`	`nymbia`	`vhaarr: yeah, i'd say that's better organization overall.`
`22:12.29`	`vhaarr`	`me too`
`22:12.49`	`vhaarr`	`obviously :P`
`22:13.17`	`nymbia`	`lol`
`22:14.14`	`Stavmar`	`i am in AV and am getting an error with Xloot: xlootmonitor.lua:417:Usage:unitclass("unit") any thoughts?`
`22:15.15`	`Mikma`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGZaCnfNgLE :DDDD`
`22:15.25`	`*** join/#wowace Daemona (i=accptc@ns20324.ovh.net)`
`22:15.30`	`bjarvis`	`self.eventFrame = CreateFrame("Frame",nil,UIParent,"ScrollingMessageFrame"); -- error 'couldn't find inherited node ScrollingMessageFrame', what am I doing incorrectly?`
`22:16.05`	`vhaarr`	`ScrollingMessageFrame is a frame type, not a template.`
`22:17.10`	`bjarvis`	`so it should be the first argument, in place of Frame? I'm not clear on the distinction between the two in XML.`
`22:17.17`	`bjarvis`	`template vs type`
`22:17.27`	`vhaarr`	`!google wow widgets`
`22:17.45`	`vhaarr`	`~seen GoogleSearch`
`22:18.09`	`purl`	`googlesearch <n=pb_ee1@rob92-8-82-242-12-147.fbx.proxad.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 11h 3m 45s ago, saying: 'Programming in Lua : 4.2 ( http://www.lua.org/pil/4.2.html )'.`
`22:18.09`	`vhaarr`	`~seen purl`
`22:18.18`	`purl`	`purl <i=ibot@pdpc/supporter/active/TimRiker/bot/apt> was last seen on IRC in channel #botpark, 256d 3h 40m 10s ago, saying: 'from memory, port 22 is ssh - SSH Remote Login Protocol'.`
`22:18.18`	`vhaarr`	`~whalecrit internet`
`22:18.23`	`purl`	`ACTION crits internet with a mathematically skilled whale named Isaac for #NaN. internet dies`
`22:18.24`	`vhaarr`	`:(`
`22:18.54`	`bjarvis`	`i was looking at the wowwiki widgets api page, but it just refers to everything as a "derivative"`
`22:19.28`	`bjarvis`	`so anyway, ok, thanks`
`22:20.21`	`vhaarr`	`heh, AceEvent:RegisterAllEvents locks WoW.`
`22:21.13`	`bjarvis`	`another annoying thing is that the default error frame draws over five lines and covers up the fifth line with the Okay button.`
`22:21.30`	`vhaarr`	`bjarvis: Read the topic.`
`22:21.43`	`vhaarr`	`Always read the topic, in all channels, it's there for a reason.`
`22:21.54`	`vhaarr`	`I don't get it, like 90% never read the topic.`
`22:22.43`	`Mikma`	`check this out`
`22:22.46`	`Mikma`	`warrior explout http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yb8mvN2pgpU`
`22:22.51`	`Mikma`	`aw`
`22:22.55`	`Gngsk`	`that's so 12 hours ago mikma`
`22:23.05`	`Mikma`	`Gngsk: that's so now for me`
`22:23.12`	`Gngsk`	`you're living in the past`
`22:24.01`	`nevcairiel`	`server were restarted and that bug fixed today`
`22:24.04`	`nevcairiel`	`no worries :P`
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`22:25.37`	`CIA-17`	`03funkydude * r21704 10Babble-2.2/Babble-Boss-2.2/Babble-Boss-2.2.lua: Babble-2.2: Boss: add Zul'Farrak`
`22:27.57`	`*** join/#wowace Daemona (i=qjdgcvw@ns20322.ovh.net)`
`22:27.59`	`*** join/#wowace Baraius_ (n=Baraius@66.219.47.226)`
`22:29.10`	`CIA-17`	`03funkydude * r21705 10Cartographer/Modules/InstanceNotes/notes.lua: Cartographer: use babble for Zul'Farrak`
`22:29.37`	`Fisker-`	`holy shit blizzard admits fault`
`22:29.37`	`sylvanaar`	`<type> <frame name"footemplate" vitual=true>`
`22:30.02`	`vhaarr`	Funkeh`: Remember to add the bosses to the other locales.
`22:30.13`	`Saroz`	`can you RegisterEvent to multiple functions?`
`22:30.14`	Funkeh`	`i will`
`22:30.23`	Funkeh`	`just a bit rushed since im raiding zf atm :p`
`22:30.31`	`vhaarr`	`raiding ZF?`
`22:30.31`	Funkeh`	`ill do that after i finish`
`22:30.34`	Funkeh`	`yeah`
`22:30.39`	Funkeh`	`its teh cool place to be these days`
`22:30.42`	`nevcairiel`	`zf as in zul'farrak?`
`22:30.44`	Funkeh`	`40 man zf`
`22:30.47`	`vhaarr`	`:P`
`22:30.49`	`nevcairiel`	`:D`
`22:30.50`	Funkeh`	`^^`
`22:30.52`	`mjc`	`level 20s?`
`22:30.57`	`vhaarr`	Funkeh`: Giev transcripts, we need BW mods!
`22:31.16`	`nevcairiel`	`lol`
`22:31.26`	`nevcairiel`	`i really need to go to karazhan`
`22:31.33`	`vhaarr`	`yes`
`22:31.39`	`nevcairiel`	`i even talked to one of the beta guilds who go there`
`22:31.43`	`nevcairiel`	`but i didnt have time yet`
`22:32.15`	`Kirkburn`	`nevcairiel, there's enough people!?`
`22:32.23`	`nevcairiel`	`its only a 10man..`
`22:32.27`	`Saroz`	`can you RegisterEvent to multiple functions?`
`22:32.28`	`Saroz`	`:((`
`22:32.38`	`nevcairiel`	`i dont think so`
`22:32.40`	`Kirkburn`	`nevcairiel, yes ....?`
`22:33.00`	`Kirkburn`	`Look, it's not rare to find only 6 people online on the entire server :P`
`22:33.06`	`mjc`	`heh`
`22:33.14`	`nevcairiel`	`Saroz: self:RegisterEvent("event", function() self:func1(); self:func2(); end);`
`22:33.22`	`Saroz`	`good one`
`22:33.25`	`nevcairiel`	`ugly but works :D`
`22:33.41`	`Saroz`	`what about two RegisterEvent?`
`22:33.45`	`Saroz`	`will that override eachother`
`22:33.50`	`nevcairiel`	`aceevent wont let yozu`
`22:33.52`	`nevcairiel`	`*you`
`22:33.56`	`nevcairiel`	`it will complain iirc`
`22:34.28`	`Lytning`	`What is a good way to contact certain ace mod authors and ask them about bugs?`
`22:35.10`	`nevcairiel`	`look for their forums thread about that adodn`
`22:35.13`	`nevcairiel`	`*addon`
`22:35.15`	`nevcairiel`	`most have one`
`22:35.21`	`Lytning`	`okay ty`
`22:35.23`	`lhunath`	`I've installed the Ace2 libs as am external addon, is there a way to force all ace2 enabled addons to use that one rather than their included libs?`
`22:35.35`	`kergoth`	`you dont need to force anything.`
`22:35.45`	`kergoth`	`if thats latest, thats what everything will use`
`22:35.49`	`lhunath`	`it does that by default then?`
`22:35.55`	`lhunath`	`hm.`
`22:35.59`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`they'll use the latest version, wherever it is.`
`22:36.20`	`lhunath`	`I see.`
`22:37.20`	`nevcairiel`	`Kirkburn: dunno when you are on, but most of the time there are enough 70-ish people to do stuff :)`
`22:37.37`	`lhunath`	`one of my addons also claims it cannot find Roster-2.0, even though the addon is installed and enabled with both roster-2.1 and roster-2.0 in the RosterLib addon folder`
`22:37.50`	`nevcairiel`	`which addon is that?`
`22:38.09`	`lhunath`	`yeah, was just wondering if I could remember, just shut off wow, lemme check.`
`22:38.22`	`kergoth`	`roster-2.0 isnt in the rosterlib.toc`
`22:38.24`	`nevcairiel`	`it should be converted to roster-2.1`
`22:38.25`	`nevcairiel`	`:)`
`22:38.29`	`kergoth`	`indeed`
`22:38.34`	`CIA-17`	`03saroz * r21706 10sRaidFrames/sRaidFrames.lua: sRaidFrames: Honor ShowOnlyDispellable when coloring background colors for debuffs`
`22:38.42`	`nevcairiel`	`yay`
`22:38.44`	`lhunath`	`I would have guessed`
`22:38.45`	`CIA-17`	`03nymbia * r21707 10GrindStatus/ (7 files in 2 dirs): GrindStatus: Updated frFR, added deDE (deDE is missing outland factions)`
`22:38.54`	`nevcairiel`	`no more funny backgrounds for magic debuffs`
`22:39.04`	`Saroz`	`:p`
`22:39.06`	`Saroz`	`uhm`
`22:39.12`	`vhaarr`	`Anyone available on Tempest Keep EU?`
`22:39.17`	`nevcairiel`	`i could log in`
`22:39.20`	`vhaarr`	`yay`
`22:39.22`	`Saroz`	`someone doublecheck my self.cleaningSpells`
`22:39.23`	`Saroz`	`plx`
`22:39.29`	`CIA-17`	`03nymbia * r21708 10GrindStatus/GrindStatus-deDE.lua: GrindStatus: Helps to add the file.`
`22:39.42`	`Saroz`	`http://groups.google.com/group/wowace/browse_thread/thread/dbd2a79dbc00b07f/c553387fe8609c08#c553387fe8609c08`
`22:40.08`	`Saroz`	`and don't comment on my :ScanSpellbookForDispells(), because double loops are ugly, I know`
`22:40.23`	`nevcairiel`	`you missed one poison thing`
`22:40.25`	`nevcairiel`	`whats it called`
`22:40.38`	`nevcairiel`	`Abolish Poison`
`22:40.39`	`vhaarr`	`Stoneform!`
`22:40.44`	`vhaarr`	`:P`
`22:41.05`	`nevcairiel`	`what have you been doing with Onyxia all the time anyway?`
`22:41.07`	`CIA-17`	`03zalkalin * r21709 10devnull/ (devnull-deDE.lua devnull.toc): devnull: Nun mit mehr deutscher Übersetzung (Thanks to Theragorn from Curse for his cut'n'pastable code).`
`22:41.30`	`vhaarr`	`That's between her and me.`
`22:41.35`	`nevcairiel`	`hehe`
`22:41.40`	`vhaarr`	`lol, deDE changelogs.`
`22:41.46`	`vhaarr`	`~whalecrit zalkalin`
`22:41.56`	`purl`	`ACTION crits zalkalin with a mathematically skilled whale named Isaac for #NaN. zalkalin dies`
`22:41.56`	`Saroz`	`anyone know what Purge dispells, or is that only unfriendly targets?`
`22:42.01`	`vhaarr`	`Saroz: Unfriendly.`
`22:42.02`	`nevcairiel`	`purge is only on enemys`
`22:42.04`	`Jens`	`"Now with more german translation" :D`
`22:42.15`	`vhaarr`	`nevcairiel: Your nick, plx.`
`22:42.16`	`nymbia`	`lol`
`22:42.21`	`vhaarr`	`nevcairiel: I don't remember :(`
`22:42.22`	`Gngsk`	`paladin's got cleanse, shaman got purge, priests got dispel`
`22:42.36`	`vhaarr`	`I just remembered.`
`22:42.41`	`Saroz`	`purge is only enemies though Gngsk?`
`22:42.42`	`nevcairiel`	`i just msgd you.`
`22:42.47`	`Gngsk`	`yea`
`22:42.53`	`Gngsk`	`friendly only, enemy only, both`
`22:43.09`	`Saroz`	`wha`
`22:43.11`	`CIA-17`	`03saroz * r21710 10sRaidFrames/sRaidFrames.lua: sRaidFrames: Add Abolish Poison, remove Purge`
`22:43.32`	`nevcairiel`	`priests dispel > shaman/pally`
`22:43.33`	`Gngsk`	`as far as cleanse, purge and dispel`
`22:43.39`	`Gngsk`	`sorry, kinda confusing I guess`
`22:43.45`	`Saroz`	`lol nevcairiel, paladins win`
`22:43.49`	`Saroz`	`everything but curse`
`22:43.50`	`Saroz`	`kk`
`22:44.09`	`Saroz`	`!!!`
`22:44.09`	`nevcairiel`	`in your face!`
`22:44.43`	`nevcairiel`	`i dont care about pally or priests anyway, i only take one along for rezzing`
`22:44.55`	`Saroz`	`sharp`
`22:45.13`	`Soulless`	`can you overwrite a function`
`22:45.29`	`nevcairiel`	`they really should give druids a out of combat rezz`
`22:45.30`	`Soulless`	`like if i declare a function, but then for some reason i wanna change it`
`22:45.36`	`Soulless`	`can you just redeclare it?`
`22:45.40`	`nevcairiel`	`yes`
`22:45.52`	`Soulless`	`last to first?`
`22:46.15`	`Soulless`	`well, last is always the one used?`
`22:46.39`	`nevcairiel`	`obviously`
`22:48.36`	`CIA-17`	`03chinkuwaila * r21711 10OneView/locals.lua: OneView - updated deDE localization`
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`22:53.31`	`nevcairiel`	`Saroz: wouldnt it be easier to just set the dispel types per class rather then scanning for the spells ? :o`
`22:54.07`	`Saroz`	`thought about it`
`22:54.23`	`Saroz`	`but what if that person hasnt got the talent, dunno`
`22:54.25`	`Saroz`	`might do that`
`22:55.16`	`nevcairiel`	`i dont think there are any talent based dispels, and every class gets their dispelling stuff before lvl 30 iirc, no one raids till then :P`
`22:55.46`	`lhunath`	`nevcairiel: http://pastebin.ca/287976`
`22:55.57`	`Saroz`	`nevcairiel, yeeeeaaa`
`22:55.59`	`Saroz`	`maybe`
`22:56.00`	`Saroz`	`dunno`
`22:56.04`	`Saroz`	`it's 1 time check though`
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`22:57.52`	`Saroz`	`anyway, it had to be done, so`
`22:58.12`	`vhaarr`	`It seems buffs are available at PLAYER_LOGIN.`
`22:58.33`	`lhunath`	`will wow burn my house down if I change 'local RL = AceLibrary("RosterLib-2.0")' into 'local RL = AceLibrary("RosterLib-2.1")' for GridStatusSpellCast?`
`22:58.47`	`vhaarr`	`lhunath: yes`
`22:58.51`	`vhaarr`	`It's "Roster-2.1"`
`22:58.51`	`nevcairiel`	`haha`
`22:59.00`	`vhaarr`	`:P`
`22:59.09`	`lhunath`	`.. :o`
`22:59.14`	`lhunath`	`will wow burn my house down if I change 'local RL = AceLibrary("RosterLib-2.0")' into 'local RL = AceLibrary("Roster-2.1")' for GridStatusSpellCast?`
`22:59.28`	`vhaarr`	`Try it and see?`
`22:59.53`	`vhaarr`	`wtf`
`22:59.56`	`lhunath`	`I'm blaiming you if I'm homeless`
`23:00.06`	`vhaarr`	`~whalestab PLAYER_LOGIN`
`23:00.08`	`purl`	`ACTION stabs PLAYER_LOGIN with a rather narrow and pointy whale named Montgomery`
`23:00.27`	`vhaarr`	`It seems buffs are available at PLAYER_LOGIN after a reload UI, but not a login.`
`23:00.30`	`vhaarr`	`><`
`23:00.36`	`*** mode/#wowace [+o Tem] by ChanServ`
`23:01.00`	`lhunath`	`that's a pita`
`23:01.12`	`Azurewrath`	`KaeltenAway: mhm.. is GMail completely deleted?`
`23:01.13`	`lhunath`	`I'm sure you messed up somehow :)`
`23:01.16`	`vhaarr`	`Azurewrath: yes`
`23:01.24`	`Azurewrath`	`why?`
`23:01.30`	`vhaarr`	`Azurewrath: It was a copy of CT_MailMod with minor adjustments, apparently.`
`23:01.51`	`SoLoR`	`well vhaarr tbh it was ;>`
`23:01.51`	`Saroz`	`all cide's code are belongs to him`
`23:01.51`	`Saroz`	`!!!!`
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`23:01.56`	`vhaarr`	`SoLoR: I have no idea, I've never read the CT_MailMod code.`
`23:01.57`	`Azurewrath`	`oh.. well, correct decision then`
`23:02.00`	`Saroz`	`yup`
`23:02.02`	`vhaarr`	`Azurewrath: indeed.`
`23:02.03`	`xgravix`	`looked like a dupe of ct to me`
`23:02.08`	`Saroz`	`yup`
`23:02.14`	`SoLoR`	`Azurewrath well its deleted but you can revert ;)`
`23:02.25`	`lhunath`	`say, are any of these addons licensed?`
`23:02.27`	`Azurewrath`	`SoLoR: i still have a local copy.. so i don't care ;)`
`23:02.48`	`vhaarr`	`lhunath: Some are, they'll have a X-License field in the TOC.`
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`23:03.12`	`lhunath`	`I see`
`23:03.24`	`lhunath`	`is ct_mailmod? ;p`
`23:03.36`	`vhaarr`	`Even if it's not, it's still copyrighted.`
`23:03.56`	`lhunath`	`true`
`23:04.19`	`vhaarr`	`And in any case, copying another mod and claiming it as your own is just not acceptable.`
`23:04.21`	`xgravix`	`dont copy shat that aint yours ppls =)`
`23:05.38`	`vhaarr`	`pastamancer: ping`
`23:06.02`	`vhaarr`	`hm`
`23:07.36`	`Soulless`	`~seen takadi`
`23:07.50`	`purl`	`takadi is currently on #wowace, last said: 'Vanish: yes, and I'm actually not sure why the arcane int / brilliance button isn't showing :)'.`
`23:07.57`	`[dRaCo]`	`is perfectRaid wow 2.0 compatible?`
`23:08.14`	`Takadi`	`Soulless: I'm here`
`23:08.43`	`Soulless`	`henge kicks ass :D`
`23:08.54`	`Soulless`	`i know its still in progress, but srsly hats off mate`
`23:09.12`	`Kemayo`	`The overall WoW addon community does seem to be fairly copyright-agnostic. All those unofficial updates of old mods, and so forth.`
`23:09.39`	`Takadi`	`Soulless: thanks :)`
`23:09.49`	`CIA-17`	`03murazorz * r21712 10ColaLight/ (ColaLight-deDE.lua ColaLight.toc): ColaLight: Added german localization`
`23:10.09`	`Soulless`	`Takadi: if i tweak some things or add some stuff on your to-do list could i email it to you?`
`23:10.30`	`Eej`	`I wonder if there's like a bunch of coders sitting around helping localize mods in other languages`
`23:10.35`	`Takadi`	`doesn't the TOS say something about the copyright stuff?`
`23:10.46`	`Takadi`	`Soulless: absolutely :)`
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`23:10.50`	`*** mode/#wowace [+o Tem] by ChanServ`
`23:11.26`	`vhaarr`	`Kemayo: There's difference in providing a service and copying something alive and kicking and claiming it as your own with no reference to the original author.`
`23:11.48`	`vhaarr`	`Kemayo: People who upgrade abandoned addons tend to keep the name intact and make several references to the original work.`
`23:11.50`	`Takadi`	`Soulless: the lack of updates has been due to dealing with some stuff IRL and because I'm converting most of the button stuff to be a library :)`
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`23:12.34`	`xgravix`	`the guy who made "gmail" did a find and replace on CT_MailMod with Gmail =P`
`23:12.50`	`Gngsk`	`not really, but kinda`
`23:12.52`	`nevcairiel`	`the guy who initially created GMail didnt do that`
`23:12.53`	`Gngsk`	`he converted it to ace`
`23:13.02`	`nevcairiel`	`some other guy added the ct mail code then`
`23:13.09`	`nevcairiel`	`because the original guy kinda quit`
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`23:13.13`	`Ominous`	`how do you find out what locale the current client is?`
`23:13.14`	`Gngsk`	`I'm pretty sure it was a ct mod convert toe whole time`
`23:13.17`	`Gngsk`	`I could be wrong though`
`23:13.28`	`Soulless`	`oh im not knocking you, just i'm still learning lua, and learning by reading is completely shit. if i help write even one function that does something usefull i'll remember it 5000x more, i've only tweaked mods here and there, but i can prob help with little things and polish until i get some confidence with lua`
`23:13.31`	`vhaarr`	`Ominous: Seriously, did you search wowwiki for "locale"?`
`23:13.38`	`xgravix`	`i mean, the output is exactly the same as CT_Mailmod, down to the color formatting`
`23:13.41`	`xgravix`	`and it says gmail instead`
`23:13.47`	`nevcairiel`	`Now it is`
`23:13.50`	`nevcairiel`	`before it wasnt`
`23:13.54`	`xgravix`	`oh ok`
`23:13.55`	`KarlThePagan`	`except for a few added features`
`23:14.03`	`KarlThePagan`	`"return selected" and sush`
`23:14.04`	`KarlThePagan`	`such`
`23:14.11`	`KarlThePagan`	`very few tho`
`23:14.14`	`nevcairiel`	`it always was supposed to be a replacement for ct mailmod`
`23:14.28`	`Soulless`	`error in new fubar?`
`23:14.40`	`KarlThePagan`	`Someone was asking me about the GPL+exception that sun was using`
`23:14.46`	`Soulless`	`something with tablet-2.0`
`23:14.57`	`Soulless`	`is there a new tablet?`
`23:15.20`	`KarlThePagan`	`whoever: I thought you were talking about BCL... the whole classpath exception to the GPL is very reasonable (since GNU classpath and libgcc do it too)`
`23:16.28`	`Jens`	`Why isn't devnull being shown in http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/index.php?cid=72 ?`
`23:17.00`	`nevcairiel`	`because the uploader didnt add it to that category? :o`
`23:17.06`	`Jens`	`It shows up if I search for "devnull".`
`23:17.08`	`nevcairiel`	`and devnull continued is shown`
`23:17.08`	`nevcairiel`	`:D`
`23:17.25`	`Jens`	`Yea, I asked Jncl to axe that, since the main entry is updated.`
`23:17.33`	`Jens`	`He hasn't responded.`
`23:18.01`	`nevcairiel`	`maybe its not showing because it wasnt approved yet?`
`23:18.07`	`Jens`	`Could be.`
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`23:20.12`	`Aphrodites`	`hello guys`
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`23:21.48`	`CIA-17`	`03rabbit 07Rabbit * r21713 10FuBar_GroupFu/GroupFu.lua: FuBar_GroupFu: Loot options should be enabled when appropriate.`
`23:21.52`	`Soulless`	`theres no way to get a pet owners name is there? outside of being in the same raid?`
`23:22.10`	`Saroz`	`I'm using your GroupFu vhaarr \o/`
`23:22.34`	`vhaarr`	`Saroz: Did you read the statistics? :P`
`23:22.40`	`Maxemus`	`anyone know how to use the IsMounted() function :S`
`23:22.45`	`Saroz`	`vhaarr?`
`23:22.53`	`nevcairiel`	`whats so hard about that function? :D`
`23:23.01`	`CIA-17`	`03beerke * r21714 10KingOfTheJungle/ (6 files in 2 dirs):`
`23:23.01`	`CIA-17`	`KingOfTheJungle :`
`23:23.02`	`CIA-17`	`- Made Feed Pet more fail proof, rewritten code and started at visual sorting of pet diets food`
`23:23.08`	`Soulless`	`Maxemus: i dont know, but i would assume if you're mounted it returns true, if not, nil`
`23:23.15`	`Soulless`	`>_>`
`23:23.17`	`vhaarr`	`Probably 1.`
`23:23.19`	`vhaarr`	`Not true.`
`23:23.22`	`Maxemus`	`ind but within a Ace addon?`
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`23:23.28`	`Maxemus`	`ACE sorry :P`
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`23:23.32`	`nevcairiel`	`Its Ace`
`23:23.34`	`nevcairiel`	`not ACE`
`23:23.40`	`Saroz`	`vhaarr, what statistics?`
`23:23.44`	`vhaarr`	`Saroz: sec`
`23:23.54`	`CIA-17`	`03zalkalin * r21715 10devnull/devnull-deDE.lua: devnull: Small deDe fix. Blame Theragorn.`
`23:23.54`	`Maxemus`	`damn i'll go back to sleep :)`
`23:24.00`	`nevcairiel`	`hehe`
`23:24.01`	`vhaarr`	`http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=2780.msg68363#msg68363`
`23:24.28`	`nevcairiel`	`yours takes longer to load.`
`23:24.34`	`CIA-17`	`03beerke * r21716 10KingOfTheJungle/Modules/:`
`23:24.34`	`CIA-17`	`KingOfTheJungle :`
`23:24.34`	`CIA-17`	`- Remove old unused files`
`23:24.36`	`Saroz`	`WORSE LOAD TIME`
`23:24.39`	`Neriak`	`peACE ^^`
`23:24.40`	`Saroz`	`STAB`
`23:24.54`	`vhaarr`	`nevcairiel: In case you didn't notice, I posted the statistics.`
`23:24.59`	`CIA-17`	`03ominous * r21717 10FuBar_RogueTimerFu/ (Core.lua RulesDot.lua RulesStun.lua): FuBar_RogueTimerFu: - Attempt to fix error on deDE`
`23:25.00`	`vhaarr`	`so, yes, I know.`
`23:25.02`	`vhaarr`	`#care`
`23:25.22`	`nevcairiel`	`i noticed and commented on them :P`
`23:25.47`	`nevcairiel`	`i dont use either tho`
`23:25.52`	`nevcairiel`	`not even sure what it does`
`23:25.53`	`Feldia`	`hurm`
`23:26.02`	`Feldia`	`that was strange`
`23:26.05`	`vhaarr`	`me neither, really, I just made it to prove how much the original code sucks`
`23:26.16`	`Saroz`	`I use groupfu`
`23:26.17`	`Feldia`	`I just zoned into naxx and a bunch of cartographer map notes appeared on my minimap`
`23:26.30`	`nevcairiel`	`the boss positions ? :D`
`23:26.40`	`Feldia`	`well, that's what it was supposed to have`
`23:26.42`	`Feldia`	`have been*`
`23:26.45`	`Feldia`	`but they were way out of position`
`23:26.47`	`Feldia`	`and moved with me`
`23:26.57`	`Feldia`	`I opened / closed my map and they disappeared`
`23:27.19`	`Feldia`	`ohhhh nevcairiel, question`
`23:27.30`	`Feldia`	`any idea when you're going to have advanced mode added into bt3?`
`23:27.46`	`Gngsk`	`advanced mode?`
`23:27.53`	`nevcairiel`	`since you've been the first person ever asking, not soon :D`
`23:27.59`	`Feldia`	`damn it :(`
`23:28.18`	`Gngsk`	`haha`
`23:28.34`	`Feldia`	`I can't wait for the advanced paging options`
`23:28.39`	`Feldia`	`they're so incredible for priests`
`23:28.46`	`nevcairiel`	`what options?`
`23:28.51`	`Neriak`	`nevcairiel: hm, didn't follow .. but is it possible (again) to also bind mousebuttons in BT3 yet?`
`23:29.13`	`Feldia`	`like, the ability to swap page based on friendly/hostile target`
`23:29.21`	`Maxemus`	`hmm does PLAYER_AURAS_CHANGED still work for checking mounted status ?`
`23:30.01`	`Neriak`	`maxemus: AFAIk theres a new API query like IsMounted() ..`
`23:30.23`	`Maxemus`	`Neriak: indeed but i'm not sure how to use it :)`
`23:30.26`	`renchap`	`what the option in prat to toggle the join/part msgs ?`
`23:30.29`	`renchap`	`cant find it`
`23:30.34`	`nevcairiel`	`Neriak: /bt3 bar1 keybindings <bt3button> BUTTON3`
`23:30.51`	`nevcairiel`	`Neriak: or just type BUTTON3 into the dewdrop thing`
`23:30.52`	`Neriak`	`i guess it's mounted = IsMounted("player")`
`23:31.19`	`Maxemus`	`ah i was trying something along the lines of mounted = IsMounted()`
`23:31.20`	`Maxemus`	`if mounted == "true" then`
`23:31.20`	`Neriak`	`nevcairiel: ah great, thank you :)`
`23:31.36`	`Saroz`	`if IsMounted() then`
`23:31.54`	`vhaarr`	`"true" ?`
`23:32.07`	`Maxemus`	`or 1 wasn't sure yet`
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`23:32.15`	`nevcairiel`	`not "true" only true`
`23:32.27`	`vhaarr`	`http://www.lua.org/pil/2.html`
`23:32.27`	`CrisCr0sss`	`hmm wonder where i can get a free vent server`
`23:32.28`	`Neriak`	`but it should have a target like "player" or "unit", shouldn't it?`
`23:32.30`	`Saroz`	`dont think so Neriak`
`23:32.39`	`Maxemus`	`not to sure tbh with the api changes atm`
`23:32.39`	`vhaarr`	`it's player only`
`23:32.49`	`Neriak`	`ok then it's the "true"`
`23:32.55`	`Saroz`	`if IsMounted() then`
`23:33.25`	`Maxemus`	`Neriak/Saroz: 'if IsMounted("player")' then or 'if IsMounted() then'`
`23:33.32`	`Saroz`	`if IsMounted() then`
`23:33.56`	`Neriak`	`Meiun\|\|: i guess Saroz is right, just try it :)`
`23:33.57`	`CIA-17`	`03rabbit 07Rabbit * r21718 10FuBar_GroupFu/GroupFu.lua: FuBar_GroupFu: Bah, someone test this.`
`23:34.03`	`Maxemus`	`okies :) i know when someone is just pressing up then enter, and screaming read what i'm saying in his head :)`
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`23:34.54`	`Neriak`	`hehe`
`23:36.26`	`vhaarr`	`http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=1622.msg68532#msg68532`
`23:36.33`	`vhaarr`	`... ><`
`23:36.39`	`vhaarr`	`English, do you speak it?`
`23:36.43`	`Soulless`	`nevcairiel: is there a way to bump framelevels on bt3 yet? or even hide empty buttons?`
`23:36.49`	`CIA-17`	`03evilelvis * r21719 10eePanels/core.lua: eePanels: fix to dim textures`
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`23:37.28`	`nevcairiel`	`Soulless: nop`
`23:37.31`	`lhunath`	`Visor2GUI error: http://pastebin.ca/288018`
`23:37.49`	`lhunath`	`meh, it's on 'self:RegisterChatCommand({"/visorgui", "/vzg"}, self.options)'`
`23:37.52`	`nevcairiel`	`wtb statemap-hasaction`
`23:37.52`	`nevcairiel`	`:D`
`23:38.32`	`Soulless`	`its just a minor annoyance b/c i usually have my bag button and minimenu thing over some empty buttons which doesn't fly atm`
`23:38.41`	`CIA-17`	`03sayclub * r21720 10SacredBuff/Locales/koKR.lua:`
`23:38.41`	`CIA-17`	`SacredBuff:`
`23:38.41`	`CIA-17`	`* Update locals koKR.`
`23:39.00`	`rw3`	`any smart way to delay a function by n amount of seconds?`
`23:39.14`	`vhaarr`	`self:ScheduleEvent(self.Function, n)`
`23:39.47`	`rw3`	`thanks`
`23:40.00`	`nevcairiel`	`my addonkit refuses to install :(`
`23:40.04`	`nevcairiel`	`~framexml`
`23:40.07`	`purl`	`get the official Blizzard Interface AddOn Kit here: http://www.blizzard.com/support/wow/?id=aww01671p -- Beta: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/downloads/expansion-bc/addonkit.zip`
`23:40.08`	`nevcairiel`	`wonder if it was updated`
`23:41.12`	`nevcairiel`	`it complains that it couldnt find my WoW install, guess because i reinstalled my windows. sucker`
`23:42.27`	`CIA-17`	`03rabbit * r21721 10ClosetGnome_Keybindings/: ClosetGnome_Keybindings: Keybindings for 2.0 are provided by CG core.`
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`23:45.02`	`lobotomy`	`hmm, interesting. i think i just crashed my wow with some creative lua programming`
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`23:45.30`	`lobotomy`	`anyone have a link to a good lua tutorial? i'm not getting anywhere much with this trial and error thing :)`
`23:46.00`	`vhaarr`	`lobotomy: Tutorial for what?`
`23:46.04`	`lhunath`	`windows registry ftl`
`23:46.15`	`vhaarr`	`lobotomy: http://www.wowace.com/wiki/WelcomeHome_-_Your_first_Ace2_Addon is a good read.`
`23:46.18`	`lobotomy`	`i have this table like so: self.spells["Mage"]["Fireball"][12] = { school = "Fire", mana = 410, cast = 3.50, (etc) }`
`23:46.24`	`lobotomy`	`and i'd like to, you know, do something with it`
`23:46.50`	`vhaarr`	`self:Print(self.spells["Mage"]["Fireball"][12].school)`
`23:46.58`	`lobotomy`	`something like: for a, b in self.spells[self.playerClass] do calculate_stuff(b[0], b[1]) end`
`23:47.07`	`Maxemus`	`hmm is it possible to change an aura automatically or would something like that be blocked to stop boting?`
`23:47.22`	`lobotomy`	`i need to loop thru the table and run a calculate method for each pair like "Fireball", 12`
`23:47.35`	`Maxemus`	`say when u mount for obvious paladin reasons :P`
`23:48.07`	`lobotomy`	`but ipairs() doesn't seem to work at all (apparently it assumes the table is like self.spells[1] = blabla, self.spells[2] = yadayada etc)`
`23:48.22`	`lobotomy`	`and i made a loop now with next() but that seems to be an infinite loop :]`
`23:48.25`	`xgravix`	`use pairs()`
`23:48.41`	`lobotomy`	`d'oh!`
`23:48.45`	`lobotomy`	`ok thanks :D i'll try that`
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`23:54.33`	`CIA-17`	`03ominous * r21722 10FuBar_RogueTimerFu/ (Core.lua RulesDot.lua RulesStun.lua): FuBar_RogueTimerFu: - missed a few line,oops`
`23:55.14`	vid`	`btw`
`23:55.18`	vid`	`if you havent seen this yet, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnhJA2a3rXo`
`23:55.20`	vid`	`watch it!`
`23:55.27`	vid`	`will make your day a whole lot happier`
`23:55.28`	vid`	`hehe`
`23:55.36`	vid`	`greatest song ever`
`23:56.40`	`xgravix`	`put NSFW =P`
`23:58.13`	vid`	`its censored :)`
`23:58.14`	vid`	`hehe`
`23:58.20`	vid`	`but yea`
`23:58.28`	vid`	`it may be risque for work :P`
`23:58.50`	vid`	`unless you are like me and have your own office, i can watch porn if i want :(`
`23:59.01`	vid`	`but i also have to pay all the bills so it sucks too`
`23:59.55`	`xgravix`	`haha`
`23:59.59`	`xgravix`	`they have uncensored one at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLb0w8-HG_0`

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