irclog2html for #wowace on 20061116

`00:00.27`	`Zyphr\|Sleep`	`kalimdor = bad`
`00:00.58`	`ckknight`	`why's kalimdor bad?`
`00:01.13`	`pastamancer`	`hmmm... I'm very tempted to make this lua lisp interpreter work in WoW`
`00:01.21`	`Zyphr\|Sleep`	`keeps crashing`
`00:01.32`	`ckknight`	`pastamancer, did you make it?`
`00:01.36`	`pastamancer`	`no`
`00:01.57`	`pastamancer`	`I'm not that crazy, but this guy is - http://lualisp.googlecode.com/`
`00:03.25`	`*** join/#wowace Kalamad1 (n=Kuaera@244-83.202-68.tampabay.res.rr.com)`
`00:04.49`	`pastamancer`	`I've been thinking about how to implement a DSL in the WoW environment and I think I'd prefer something that actualy "compiled" to lua rather than was interpreted`
`00:05.23`	`pastamancer`	`so I might just steal ideas from lualisp and make a mini-scheme-ish DSL`
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`00:06.02`	`pastamancer`	`macros and lazy evaluation are the tricky parts`
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`00:11.28`	`CIA-14`	`03ag 07TBC * r17142 10ag_UnitFrames/ag_UnitFrames/ (4 files):`
`00:11.28`	`CIA-14`	`ag_UnitFrames`
`00:11.28`	`CIA-14`	`<PROTECTED>`
`00:12.07`	`vhaarr`	`ckknight: I have a AceModuleCore Module that is part of a separate LoD addon from the AceModuleCore, and when it is loaded with LoadAddOn, the following events that transpire occur in a seemingly random order.`
`00:12.12`	`vhaarr`	`ckknight: Got time to walk through this?`
`00:12.29`	`ckknight`	`mmm... I guess`
`00:14.09`	`vhaarr`	`ckknight: Okay, so the controller module of the AceModuleCore loads the addon on command with LoadAddOn, it then fires an event that is picked up by the main AceModuleCore, that iterates through :IterateModules() and checks if a flag is set on the module, if it is not, it initializes the module properly and sets the flag.`
`00:14.25`	`vhaarr`	`ckknight: Would OnEnable be called on the module during this process?`
`00:14.49`	`ckknight`	`yes.`
`00:14.55`	`ckknight`	`AceDB would call it.`
`00:14.56`	`vhaarr`	`It does not :ToggleModuleActive(module, true), but it does do a :ToggleModuleActive(module, false)`
`00:15.04`	`vhaarr`	`When?`
`00:15.19`	`ckknight`	`after ADDON_LOADED`
`00:15.21`	`pastamancer`	`I was under the impression that ToggleModuleActive(module, true) would call OnEnable for modules`
`00:15.21`	`ckknight`	`probably.`
`00:15.27`	`*** join/#wowace Melisandre (n=Melisand@88-149-162-199.f5.ngi.it)`
`00:15.32`	`ckknight`	`pastamancer, only if it's disabled originally.`
`00:15.39`	`Melisandre`	`hi guys`
`00:15.45`	`pastamancer`	`ckknight: makes sense`
`00:15.58`	`Melisandre`	`any way to have more than 10 buffs shown in one single line wit haguf?`
`00:15.59`	`vhaarr`	`ckknight: The fact is, that in the modules OnEnable, I access self.db, and sometimes, it is nil.`
`00:16.14`	`ckknight`	`that shouldn't be...`
`00:16.25`	`vhaarr`	`The keyword is sometimes.`
`00:16.30`	`mjc`	`anyone on WoW US recruiting? haha`
`00:16.32`	`ckknight`	`self.db is set before OnInitialize`
`00:16.34`	`pastamancer`	`vhaarr: are you using GetDBNamespace?`
`00:16.38`	`vhaarr`	`pastamancer: yes`
`00:16.39`	`ckknight`	`mjc, I'm on Horde`
`00:16.42`	`vhaarr`	`Acquire, but yes.`
`00:16.53`	`ckknight`	`vhaarr, when do you do that?`
`00:16.55`	`pastamancer`	`vhaarr: you need to fiddle with that in .moduleProrotype.OnInitialize`
`00:16.57`	`mjc`	`ckknight: fine by me, got an alt I can transfer? :P`
`00:17.10`	`ckknight`	`mjc, I'm Mooster.`
`00:17.15`	`*** join/#wowace Xuerian (n=core@12-196-151-106.psknet.net)`
`00:17.23`	`mjc`	`got banned for writing a bottomfeeder replacement`
`00:17.23`	`kergoth`	`have the formulas for agi -> crit and such changed in the expansion?`
`00:17.29`	`vhaarr`	`ckknight: I do not want OnEnable to run at all, the module should be loaded as disabled.`
`00:17.29`	`mjc`	`so I'm willing to go anywhere. :(`
`00:17.36`	`ckknight`	`banned?`
`00:17.43`	`vhaarr`	`ckknight: Can I enforce that?`
`00:17.57`	`mjc`	`ckknight: account closed`
`00:18.16`	`ckknight`	`mjc, oh, I thought you meant to TBC`
`00:18.18`	`kergoth`	`mjc: blizz is banning for bottomfeeder now?`
`00:18.25`	`ckknight`	`what's bottomfeeder?`
`00:18.30`	`mjc`	`kergoth: yep.`
`00:18.38`	`kergoth`	`that sucks`
`00:18.41`	`mjc`	`ckknight: scans most recently posted auctions for deals and auto-buys`
`00:18.50`	`kergoth`	`unsurprising, but still sucks :)`
`00:18.54`	`ckknight`	`vhaarr, mmm... you should, if you make sure to disable before the onenable is called.`
`00:19.14`	`ckknight`	`hrm.`
`00:19.16`	`ckknight`	`sucks, mjc`
`00:19.21`	`Zyphr\|Sleep`	`drdre are u in?`
`00:19.27`	`DrDre`	`loading`
`00:19.30`	`Zyphr\|Sleep`	`i got taken to some wierd ass loading screen`
`00:19.34`	`DrDre`	`stuck at 0%`
`00:19.37`	`Zyphr\|Sleep`	`yeh`
`00:19.39`	`Zyphr\|Sleep`	`were bugged`
`00:19.43`	`DrDre`	`shit`
`00:19.48`	`DrDre`	`someone said only nagrand is working`
`00:19.49`	`DrDre`	`afk min`
`00:19.58`	`mjc`	`ckknight: anyways yeah, I've played feral druid, rogue, mage, shadow priest, all in BWL :p`
`00:20.10`	`ckknight`	`mjc, damn, sucks, guy.`
`00:21.11`	`kergoth`	`heh, chronometer guy didnt understand what SecureHook does, was trying to call the orig in his func`
`00:21.15`	`haste`	`mjc: they actually banned you, for using an add on :o ?`
`00:21.41`	`Zyphr\|Sleep`	`ckk does Cartographer work with 2.0.1 do u know?`
`00:21.48`	`ckknight`	`it should.`
`00:21.53`	`ckknight`	`Zyphr\|Sleep, you in now?`
`00:22.07`	`Zyphr\|Sleep`	`in what?`
`00:22.12`	`[FH]Birdemani`	`i have a version working on beta right now....from a compilation packasge on wowi`
`00:22.16`	`ckknight`	`in PTR?`
`00:22.25`	`Zyphr`	`in the 2.0.1 yeh`
`00:22.33`	`ckknight`	`[FH]Birdemani, people are using Cartographer in compilations already?`
`00:22.37`	`ckknight`	`Zyphr, are you logged in now?`
`00:22.43`	`[FH]Birdemani`	`yes`
`00:22.47`	`ckknight`	`lol.`
`00:22.51`	`kergoth`	`cartographer kicks ass. even with instance maps its only like 450K`
`00:22.58`	`kergoth`	`:)`
`00:23.02`	`ckknight`	`kergoth, instance maps are like 10 MiB.`
`00:23.08`	`kergoth`	`i know, i mean ram wise`
`00:23.11`	`kergoth`	`atlas is like 1.5 megs or something`
`00:23.12`	`[FH]Birdemani`	`look up the epoxy compilation in the wowi beta area`
`00:23.14`	`kergoth`	`metamap is like 2.5`
`00:23.17`	`DrDre`	`you got D/C'd?`
`00:23.17`	`Zyphr`	`im am loged atm`
`00:23.18`	`ckknight`	`ah.`
`00:23.21`	`[FH]Birdemani`	`he has some redundant stuff in there, but it all works right now`
`00:23.36`	`[FH]Birdemani`	`for the most part, i have a full custom beta UI sans action bars`
`00:23.43`	`ckknight`	`Zyphr, /print MAX_PLAYER_LEVEL`
`00:23.45`	`mjc`	`haste: yes, I'll post the email online ina few days`
`00:24.19`	`DrDre`	`7- ckkk`
`00:24.20`	`DrDre`	`70*`
`00:24.21`	`Zyphr`	`<PROTECTED>`
`00:24.25`	`ckknight`	`damn.`
`00:24.25`	`Zyphr`	`is all it gives me=(`
`00:24.30`	`DrDre`	`need devtools :P`
`00:24.32`	`kergoth`	`bartender3 is promising`
`00:24.35`	`kergoth`	`look forward to it maturing`
`00:24.38`	`Zyphr`	`lol`
`00:24.39`	`mjc`	`in the meantime, a guild that raids 7pm EST would be great. :)`
`00:24.51`	`DrDre`	`is bt3 supoose to be usable at least? isnt for me`
`00:24.52`	`Zyphr`	`ima start testing addons`
`00:24.55`	`DrDre`	`doesnt work keybindings`
`00:25.32`	`*** join/#wowace \|Shadow\| (n=Shadow@212.32.67.196)`
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`00:25.50`	`[FH]Birdemani`	`i cant get bt3 to work`
`00:26.06`	`Neronix`	`lol`
`00:26.13`	`mjc`	`you are not supposed to be able to`
`00:26.15`	`ckknight`	`DrDre, /print GetMapContinents()`
`00:26.17`	`mjc`	`fucking noobs.`
`00:26.21`	`[FH]Birdemani`	`i was told to try`
`00:26.23`	`[FH]Birdemani`	`geez`
`00:26.24`	`Neronix`	`the author of la vendetta could only say "..." after Ammo completely owned him`
`00:26.32`	`ckknight`	`Neronix, where?`
`00:26.35`	`mjc`	`la vendetta ?`
`00:26.43`	`DrDre`	`outlands ckk`
`00:26.47`	`ckknight`	`DrDre, damn.`
`00:26.48`	`DrDre`	`we can even view outlands map`
`00:26.55`	`ckknight`	`hrm`
`00:27.02`	`[FH]Birdemani`	`yea, i can see all the outlands maps with cart`
`00:27.09`	`DrDre`	`and with the explored feature of cartographer can see full map :P`
`00:27.13`	`ckknight`	`hehe.`
`00:27.15`	`Neronix`	`ckknight: http://www.curse-gaming.com/en/wow/addons-4455-1-la-vendetta-boss-mods-naxxramas-ahnqiraj-blackwing-lair-molten-core-and-aq20zg.html`
`00:27.25`	`ckknight`	`well, I have no known way to tell if you have the expansion.`
`00:27.45`	`DrDre`	`simple solution`
`00:27.49`	`DrDre`	`dont support non expansion :P`
`00:27.57`	`DrDre`	`whats point of playing if your not getting it?`
`00:28.10`	`ckknight`	`yea, I know...`
`00:28.28`	`mjc`	`no point in me getting expack for my botting accounts :P`
`00:28.38`	`DrDre`	`lol.`
`00:28.46`	`Neronix`	`What if you're not interested in rolling one of the new races or aren't going to be 60 for a long while?`
`00:28.52`	`Neronix`	`That describes me :P`
`00:29.14`	`Zyphr`	`meh, i raid too much to not get it`
`00:29.35`	`DrDre`	`you gonna queue us zyphr: :P`
`00:29.47`	`Zyphr`	`thats what broke us`
`00:29.52`	`Zyphr`	`grps don't work`
`00:29.55`	`DrDre`	`yes`
`00:29.59`	`DrDre`	`only nagrand works`
`00:30.03`	`DrDre`	`we tried to go to burning edge`
`00:30.08`	`Zyphr`	`rly?`
`00:30.11`	`DrDre`	`yea`
`00:30.15`	`Zyphr`	`i can't controll where it sends us =(`
`00:30.17`	`DrDre`	`i heard someone say it in general`
`00:30.17`	`DrDre`	`;x`
`00:30.34`	`DrDre`	`.who nagrand and ull see ppl`
`00:30.44`	`Zyphr`	`yeh ive done it a few times`
`00:31.04`	`DrDre`	`queue and jus decline if its not nag :p`
`00:31.54`	`mjc`	`wonder if vmware will ever support hardware 3D`
`00:32.15`	`Zyphr`	`wonder if ill ever get a tbc key`
`00:32.28`	`DrDre`	`doubt it this late :(`
`00:32.29`	`*** join/#wowace fleetfoot (n=fleetfoo@c-1b9b72d5.014-202-6e6b701.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se)`
`00:32.40`	`Zyphr`	`guy i know got 4`
`00:32.43`	`DrDre`	`hey i developed an addon to alias a slashcommand, can i get a key to test ito n TBC?!`
`00:32.43`	`Zyphr`	`makes me sad`
`00:33.43`	`kergoth`	`ckknight: it appears that the tbc ace2, TOGGLE_DEBUGGING is nil, the debug item in the aceoptions ends up having no description. aceconsole shows it as None, and DeuceCommander just errors`
`00:33.51`	`DrDre`	`nagrand!`
`00:33.52`	`Zyphr`	`gogogogo`
`00:33.54`	`DrDre`	`its loading`
`00:34.08`	`ckknight`	`kergoth, blah.`
`00:34.30`	`ckknight`	`kergoth, line?`
`00:35.10`	`kergoth`	`well, AceDebug-2.0 has a DEBUGGING and a TOGGLE_DEBUGGING local which are never set.. the acedebug in trunk sets them`
`00:35.14`	`kergoth`	`unless i'm missing something`
`00:35.25`	`kergoth`	`so both name and desc are nil`
`00:37.39`	`Xuerian`	`mjc: How's Vista run in vmware on that monster? o.0`
`00:37.52`	`mjc`	`we'll see.`
`00:37.56`	`mjc`	`vmware fusion = for mac`
`00:38.10`	`Xuerian`	`I know :P`
`00:38.15`	`Neronix`	`and mjc's mac is an actual monster`
`00:38.19`	`DrDre`	`how do you make a team for arena?`
`00:38.22`	`Xuerian`	`I remember your MacPro's description. Thus "Monster"`
`00:38.28`	`Neronix`	`/jealous`
`00:38.41`	`mjc`	`I have some 5300s on order, too.`
`00:38.41`	`Xuerian`	`./qft`
`00:38.53`	`DrDre`	`um`
`00:38.55`	`Xuerian`	`o.0;`
`00:38.57`	`DrDre`	`kicked to char select screen`
`00:39.16`	`mjc`	`Xuerian: "out of stock" :(`
`00:39.25`	`Xuerian`	`5300's? >.>`
`00:39.30`	`mjc`	`quad core`
`00:39.34`	`ckknight`	`kergoth, they seem to be set for me.`
`00:39.43`	`Xuerian`	`o.o`
`00:40.02`	`Xuerian`	`It has dual dual-cores right now, right?`
`00:40.49`	`kergoth`	`local DEBUGGING, TOGGLE_DEBUGGING<0d>`
`00:40.49`	`kergoth`	`<0d>`
`00:40.49`	`kergoth`	`local AceOO = AceLibrary:GetInstance("AceOO-2.0")<0d>`
`00:40.51`	`kergoth`	`thats all i see`
`00:40.59`	`kergoth`	`in trunk, those are defined between those lines`
`00:41.10`	`kergoth`	`in branch, at least here, they arent defined at all, just declared and used`
`00:41.20`	`mjc`	`Xuerian: correct`
`00:41.36`	`mjc`	`Xuerian: 5300s are a drop-in upgrade`
`00:41.43`	`Xuerian`	`..`
`00:42.16`	`eternally777`	`Anyone know how to make the rose thingy in one line of chat?`
`00:42.57`	`kergoth`	`thats odd`
`00:43.04`	`kergoth`	`they're set in the branch, it mustve been a broken merge`
`00:43.14`	`kergoth`	`they arent localized the way they are in trunk, but at least they're set`
`00:43.19`	`mjc`	`I'm waiting for my paycheck from last week to clear so I can pick up a WD Raptor X :p`
`00:43.40`	`Neronix`	`mjc: What do you do for a living? :O`
`00:43.58`	`mjc`	`php`
`00:44.11`	`Neronix`	`Duly noted`
`00:44.14`	`Xuerian`	`So. A dual-quad-core with... 4gb? ram, and a Raptor X... >.>`
`00:44.47`	`mjc`	`dual-dual now, be the end of the month at least before I can get the 5300s delivered`
`00:45.18`	`Neronix`	`I should've listened to my friend when he said php was the shit :<`
`00:45.26`	`Xuerian`	`I should brush up on mine o.0`
`00:45.35`	`mjc`	`php is a shitty language, but it's what we chose when we started`
`00:45.43`	`mjc`	`wtf is vista's problem. it's slow as fuck even with two VX'd CPUs`
`00:45.52`	`mjc`	`been "preparing your desktop" for over 20 seconds`
`00:46.15`	`Neronix`	`"What? You only know lua! Pfft... did you ever write anything useful in it? DID you write anything useful in it! PHP and C++, man!"`
`00:46.44`	`Neronix`	`s/DID/CAN/`
`00:47.06`	`Neronix`	`bah, I'm too tired to rephrase mid-sentence properly >.>`
`00:47.27`	`haste`	`I've done lots in PHP :o`
`00:47.33`	`haste`	`but I don't like it`
`00:47.54`	`kergoth`	`same`
`00:48.22`	`mjc`	`I don't like it eitehr`
`00:48.45`	`Xuerian`	`I used to like it.... But I'm starting to realize that after not having touched it for a year, I'm leaning towards staying that way.... Doesn't keep me from millitantly defending it though, TREASON...ISTS! DIEH!`
`00:49.12`	`ckknight`	`Neronix, srsly?`
`00:49.37`	`Neronix`	`"Ruby? lol! Python? Only OLD systems run it... you know, the stereotype ones you see in the movies with the huge tape things! D? A fad! C++ is all you'll ever need, man... it's so robust!"`
`00:49.52`	`mjc`	`heh. C++.`
`00:50.24`	`pastamancer`	`stab Stroustrup while you're at it`
`00:50.30`	`mjc`	`ObjC is a better "C w/ OO" than C++ could ever consider being.`
`00:50.35`	`Xuerian`	`What's with Stroustrup? o.0`
`00:51.03`	`pastamancer`	`because C++ is his fault`
`00:51.07`	`Xuerian`	`Oh :P`
`00:51.32`	`pastamancer`	`Bjarne Stroustrup`
`00:51.51`	`vhaarr`	`ckknight: \|local currentValue = 3; local map = { [1] = "Foo", [2] = "Bar", [3] = "Beer" }; AceOptions = { ..., type = "text", get = function() return currentValue end, validate = map, ... };\| shouldn't that check "Beer" in the option group?`
`00:52.19`	`kergoth`	`time to become friends with this secure state fun`
`00:52.21`	`ckknight`	`vhaarr, don't set arrays that way, you're giving yourself a 0 n.`
`00:52.32`	`ckknight`	`use { "Foo", "Bar", "Beer" }`
`00:52.36`	`ckknight`	`and get back to me.`
`00:52.39`	`vhaarr`	`ckknight: I can't.`
`00:52.46`	`ckknight`	`then use table.setn.`
`00:53.27`	`kergoth`	`hrmm..... i'm completely torn on rogue builds in the expansion`
`00:54.41`	`vhaarr`	`ckknight: Can I table.setn a table from AceLocale-2.2?`
`00:54.49`	`ckknight`	`ew....`
`00:54.53`	`ckknight`	`bad, vhaarr`
`00:54.59`	`ckknight`	`but you can.`
`00:55.21`	`pastamancer`	`vhaarr: what are you trying to do?!`
`00:55.22`	`vhaarr`	`table.setn(L["table"], 3) seems to do nothing.`
`00:55.26`	`*** join/#wowace JoshBork1 (n=Josh@r35h14.res.gatech.edu)`
`00:55.37`	`vhaarr`	`pastamancer: Take over the world, obviously.`
`00:55.56`	`pastamancer`	`vhaarr: but where will we get rubber pants at this time of night?`
`00:56.03`	`*** join/#wowace Adrine (n=Chris@ip68-2-219-112.ph.ph.cox.net)`
`00:56.07`	`vhaarr`	`pastamancer: I already have one from previous endeavours.`
`00:56.08`	`mjc`	`kergoth: transfer your rogue to another account and I'll chooes for oyu :P`
`00:56.51`	`kergoth`	`:P`
`00:57.14`	`mjc`	`actually, though, my gf wouldn't mind playing resto. :P`
`00:57.23`	`Zyphr`	`woops`
`00:57.25`	`Zyphr`	`=(`
`00:57.28`	`kergoth`	`i'm torn. mutilate is okay, but i still dont know if it justifies the investment that deep in the tree. shadowstep looks like it kicks ass for pvp, but less helpful in raids other than closing the distance faster`
`00:57.37`	`kergoth`	`top tier combat is weak, but blade twisting looks useful`
`00:57.38`	`JoshBork1`	`any guides on shoring up code to be lua 5.1 compatible?`
`00:57.49`	`vhaarr`	`ckknight: Would I need to rawset anything? I'm not sure how to proceed.`
`00:57.50`	`kergoth`	`JoshBork1: the 5.1 manual summarizes the changes..`
`00:57.53`	`kergoth`	`in an appendix`
`00:57.55`	`kergoth`	`or so`
`00:57.56`	`ckknight`	`I don't know either, vhaarr`
`00:58.01`	`vhaarr`	`gah`
`00:58.14`	`kergoth`	`~emulate zim`
`00:58.17`	`purl`	`I am a _perfectly_ normal human worm baby`
`00:58.19`	`mjc`	`kergoth: before my work schedule changed, I had gotten to the point in raids that the only thing stopping me from doing more dps was run speed`
`00:58.48`	`vhaarr`	`ckknight: Why do you need the n anyway? get returns an index and you simply have to look it up in the provided validate table?`
`00:59.26`	`ckknight`	`no.`
`00:59.35`	`Neronix`	`why do you need to dynamically generate the table like that? won't table.insert do?`
`00:59.38`	`kergoth`	`if i go with either shadowstep or mutilate, i'm gonna have to switch back to daggers.. swords currently.. its kinda nice, in that i dont have to compete with the guild's rogues much for gear`
`00:59.43`	`kergoth`	`heh`
`00:59.53`	`mjc`	`combat daggers is pretty awesome.`
`00:59.57`	`*** join/#wowace Jens (n=jens@unaffiliated/jens)`
`01:00.07`	`haste`	`I'm going combat dagger as soon as I can get a main-hand one`
`01:00.10`	`Tain`	`Swords is an easier time on raids though.`
`01:00.20`	`mjc`	`apple has ordered 12 million iPhones`
`01:00.20`	`mjc`	`:p`
`01:00.29`	`haste`	`you still want to stand behind the target with swords tho'`
`01:00.34`	`Tain`	`Positioning for backstabs is a pain in the ass on some raids.`
`01:00.37`	`Tain`	`Yeah but you don't have to.`
`01:00.41`	`kergoth`	`yea, you do, but at least it isnt a requirement`
`01:00.43`	`Tain`	`And youd ont' lose dps if you're off.`
`01:00.47`	`kergoth`	`right`
`01:01.06`	`kergoth`	`i like my current combat swords build, but it seems like the new higher up combat stuff is more about survivability than raid dps`
`01:01.12`	`kergoth`	`at least compared to the other two trees`
`01:02.41`	`ckknight`	`question: should users be able to delete non-manual notes?`
`01:02.42`	`mjc`	`kergoth: reminds me of when I figured the poison stuff in T2 was useless`
`01:02.49`	`mjc`	`ckknight: non-manual ?`
`01:02.58`	`ckknight`	`addon-created`
`01:03.01`	`ckknight`	`such as Pinpoint notes`
`01:03.06`	`ckknight`	`or instance loot notes`
`01:03.07`	`kergoth`	`i'm looking fforward to getting that set bonus`
`01:03.19`	`kergoth`	`not a huge fan of the t1 ones, other than the energy increase`
`01:03.23`	`mjc`	`ckknight: should be up to the mod to determine whether they can`
`01:03.24`	`phyber`	`PlayMusic() works with URLs. :o`
`01:03.31`	`mjc`	`phyber: sweet`
`01:03.37`	`kergoth`	`seriously?`
`01:03.41`	`phyber`	`seriously`
`01:03.42`	`Xuerian`	`That's getting patched, isn't it?`
`01:03.46`	`mjc`	`phyber: what's the useragent?!`
`01:03.51`	`kergoth`	`hehe`
`01:04.01`	`phyber`	`not sure, I just saw some di.fm addon on WoWI and checked it out`
`01:04.14`	`phyber`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:04.14`	`phyber`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:04.25`	`Neronix`	`di.fm? shudder`
`01:04.29`	`pastamancer`	`if they don't patch it, people will write dkp addons that send information via PlayMusic`
`01:04.38`	`haste`	`phyber: that works`
`01:04.45`	`haste`	`very useful :D`
`01:05.16`	`phyber`	`pastamancer: can send info out, but can't really see the harm if you can't get useful stuff back.`
`01:05.36`	`vhaarr`	`It will be patched.`
`01:05.48`	`Xuerian`	`Which sucks, but eh`
`01:05.51`	`vhaarr`	`If they wanted us to be able to send information out, they would give us something else than "PlayMusic".`
`01:05.57`	`CIA-14`	`03sayclub 07jerry * r17143 10lern2count/lern2count/lern2count.lua: lern2count (jerry's branch) : add locals for koKR(by gygabyte)`
`01:06.00`	`pastamancer`	`blizzard doesn't want information coming in to or going out of the sandbox`
`01:06.07`	`Xuerian`	`Obviously.`
`01:06.22`	`Neronix`	`what dangerous stuff CAN be sent into the sandbox?`
`01:06.42`	`Neronix`	`audio DKP listings?`
`01:06.46`	`pastamancer`	`lions, tigers`
`01:06.47`	`Neronix`	`a bot speaking to itself?`
`01:06.52`	`phyber`	`Neronix: evil bot stuff! because ALL bots are written in LUA and use blizzard's interface!`
`01:07.04`	`*** join/#wowace Freedon (n=LOLLERSK@ip68-4-78-174.oc.oc.cox.net)`
`01:07.06`	`phyber`	`nothing external, oh no.`
`01:07.09`	`Neronix`	`and all bots know that Lua's not an acronym ;P`
`01:07.19`	`Freedon`	`someone tell me what popsicle does!`
`01:07.20`	`Freedon`	`:)`
`01:07.41`	`pastamancer`	`more importantly, PlayMusic allows you to send data out of the sandbox`
`01:08.27`	`Neronix`	`Ah, url parsing?`
`01:08.33`	`Neronix`	`I see`
`01:08.36`	`phyber`	`pastamancer: shit, before they know it people will have websites full of quests and items! ;)`
`01:08.46`	`Xuerian`	`haha.`
`01:08.47`	`phyber`	`oh, wait.`
`01:08.59`	`phyber`	`:D`
`01:09.00`	`Xuerian`	`And with character profiles!`
`01:09.01`	`kergoth`	`that difm addon doesnt seem to do anything at all here`
`01:09.02`	`kergoth`	`hmm`
`01:09.02`	`Freedon`	`Anyone know what Popsicle does?`
`01:09.04`	`Xuerian`	`And raid logs.`
`01:09.06`	`Xuerian`	`omg.`
`01:09.12`	`Xuerian`	`Modageddon.`
`01:09.26`	`phyber`	`live raid chat to an irc channel. woo.`
`01:09.39`	`pastamancer`	`PlayMusic("http://my.webserver/dkp/hey_bob_spent_50_on_Some_Item")`
`01:10.10`	`Neronix`	`maybe it will also allow people to automatically cure others!`
`01:10.11`	`mjc`	`what's wrong with that :P`
`01:10.48`	`Zyphr`	`http://www.curse-gaming.com/en/wow/addons-4592-1-skoodats-addons.html`
`01:11.05`	`kergoth`	`yea difm doesnt work here`
`01:11.11`	`kergoth`	`wonder if its something about the windows emulation`
`01:11.13`	`*** join/#wowace Tem_ (n=tardmrr@204.90.50.252)`
`01:11.13`	`*** mode/#wowace [+o Tem_] by ChanServ`
`01:11.23`	`mjc`	`doesn't work here either kerg`
`01:11.54`	`phyber`	`PlayMusic("http://www.suggest-which-heal-i-should-cast.com/user/"); ChatFrame1:AddMessage("Now just alt-tab out and check out out that site for which heal you should cast. Quick before you get the raid wiped.")`
`01:12.06`	`kergoth`	`hahah`
`01:12.25`	`JoshBork1`	`lol`
`01:12.30`	`*** join/#wowace Telrin (n=blaat@shandalar.xs4all.nl)`
`01:12.35`	`*** part/#wowace Freedon (n=LOLLERSK@ip68-4-78-174.oc.oc.cox.net)`
`01:12.54`	`mjc`	`heh`
`01:13.01`	`Zyphr`	`i think its coo for teh music but othewise...`
`01:13.02`	`Neronix`	`PlayMusic("http://pantomine-pvp.com/wheres-that-rogue"); print("He's behind you! :O)`
`01:13.30`	`haste`	`I'm going to make something with that tomorrow`
`01:13.41`	`mjc`	`I'm going to go play closed beta for a lil til I figure out wtf I'm going to do`
`01:13.42`	`ckknight`	`woo!`
`01:13.46`	`*** join/#wowace sbu (n=sb@dslb-084-056-185-110.pools.arcor-ip.net)`
`01:13.48`	`mjc`	`since they didn't turn off my TBC account`
`01:14.05`	`Zyphr`	`that being?`
`01:14.05`	`ckknight`	`lol, mjc, that's kinda funny`
`01:14.27`	`ckknight`	`Cartographer-Notes supporting multiple DBs at once and dynamic registration and unregistration of said dbs`
`01:15.02`	`Neronix`	`ckknight: What did it drop? :O`
`01:15.14`	`ckknight`	`your mom.`
`01:15.35`	`Neronix`	`hmm, nice stats...`
`01:15.40`	`Neronix`	`oh wait`
`01:15.53`	`Neronix`	`/faint`
`01:15.53`	`Xuerian`	`Here lies mjc's WoW account. It had a long, full subscription, leaving a bereved wife and children subscribed. May God remember it in the great balancing of the holy book of accounts-payable. Amen.`
`01:16.29`	`Armooo`	`PlayMusic is using FMOD/3.75 for a useragent`
`01:16.38`	`phyber`	`Why is the account dead? just not playing anymore?`
`01:16.39`	`mjc`	`haha`
`01:16.49`	`mjc`	`phyber: banned for writing a bottomfeeder replacement`
`01:17.29`	`phyber`	`BottomFeeder the RSS thingy?`
`01:17.43`	`mjc`	`the auctioneer mod`
`01:17.49`	`JoshBork1`	`usz: ping`
`01:18.23`	`Tain`	`Well to be fair you don't get banned for writing it. You get banned for using it. :)`
`01:18.30`	`mjc`	`true.`
`01:18.34`	`usz`	`JoshBork1, sup?`
`01:18.36`	`mjc`	`*testing`
`01:18.43`	`JoshBork1`	`did you update MD5Lib to TBC?`
`01:18.58`	`haste`	`I still don't see why you should be banned for using it`
`01:19.01`	`usz`	`nope, sadly dont have TBC key`
`01:19.04`	`Tain`	`When I was "testing" something I only got a 48 hour suspension.`
`01:19.05`	`haste`	`it doesn't say anywhere that you shouldn't`
`01:19.44`	`Neronix`	`Well, Blizzard said they didn't like BottomFeeder`
`01:19.44`	`Tain`	`Or was it 72? Whatever`
`01:19.45`	`Neronix`	`how did they know you had it?`
`01:19.45`	`haste`	`Neronix: still, I haven't seen that for example`
`01:19.45`	`Josh_Borke`	`ptr is up :-D`
`01:19.45`	`haste`	`how would I know that it was a "illegal" add on?`
`01:19.45`	`usz`	`char copy page is down`
`01:19.45`	`mjc`	`Neronix: server logs apaprently.`
`01:19.52`	`haste`	`or how would I know that I did something I shouldn't with Lua`
`01:19.54`	`phyber`	`mjc: wtf, I don't even know how that is bannable :( (just read up to see what bottomfeeder was)`
`01:19.54`	`mjc`	`haste: it's not distributed by anyone`
`01:20.00`	`haste`	`if I haven't gotten a warning first`
`01:20.11`	`mjc`	`account already had two warnings`
`01:20.12`	`usz`	`anyway off to bed, as i just been going there when i heard ping`
`01:20.27`	`haste`	`that might explain more :)`
`01:20.30`	`sbu`	`yep - as far as i know anything you can do with lua (pure wow lua api blah) is allowed!?`
`01:20.44`	`haste`	`PlayMusic() shows that!`
`01:21.14`	`kergoth`	`well, it seems DIFM works fine on normal wow`
`01:21.20`	`kergoth`	`but it does jack on expansion here`
`01:21.24`	`*** join/#wowace Zyphr\|Sleep (n=Zyphr@adsl-69-109-114-48.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net)`
`01:21.34`	`haste`	`PlayMusic("insert radio") works on TBC here`
`01:21.43`	`Zyphr\|Sleep`	`damn`
`01:21.44`	`Zyphr\|Sleep`	`=(`
`01:21.46`	`kergoth`	`i know what it is`
`01:21.50`	`haste`	`:D ?`
`01:21.54`	`kergoth`	`i'm using normal wine on the expansion, due to the issues i mentioned earlier`
`01:21.59`	`kergoth`	`cedega on normal wow`
`01:21.59`	`DrDre`	`addresses work on playmnusic?`
`01:22.00`	`haste`	`banning?`
`01:22.03`	`kergoth`	`cedega must be able to do it`
`01:22.06`	`kergoth`	`but not regular wine`
`01:22.15`	`haste`	`Cedega has talked to Blizzard regarding the bans`
`01:22.23`	`haste`	`and accounts are getting unbanned`
`01:22.26`	`[Liquidor]_`	`Erhm is the CT Team dead or is it just me?`
`01:22.40`	`haste`	`"We are in contact with the Blizzard engineering team. The update had been tested extensively with Cedega and Blizzard believed that it would not adversely affect Cedega users. We are working together to try and solve the issue as best we can."`
`01:22.46`	`haste`	`"If you are a Cedega user that has had your account banned please list your World of Warcraft username in the forum post or email support@transgaming.com with the information and we will assist in getting your accounts back up."`
`01:23.00`	`Zyphr[2]`	`ok`
`01:23.06`	`navv`	`oo nice source of wow usernames!`
`01:23.08`	`Tem`	`[Liquidor]_, not at all`
`01:23.31`	`Zyphr[2]`	`i dun think so`
`01:23.34`	`sbu`	`oh btw: jewelcrafting with 2.0 or TBC?`
`01:23.36`	`Zyphr[2]`	`cedega is a good program`
`01:23.44`	`[Liquidor]`	`Okay, just noticed that none of the addons have been updated for nearly 3 months :O`
`01:23.45`	`haste`	`http://www.cybermenology.com/wow_banning.html << Cedega Banning mail :D`
`01:23.57`	`sbu`	`because jewels are already at pvp reward vendor`
`01:24.11`	`Zyphr[2]`	`well`
`01:24.20`	`[Liquidor]`	`Cedega > Internet provider?`
`01:24.22`	`Zyphr[2]`	`don't use cedega to play atm than`
`01:24.33`	`Zyphr[2]`	`wine yay!`
`01:25.18`	`DrDre`	`wtf`
`01:25.22`	`DrDre`	`a tornado hit me in arena`
`01:25.27`	`haste`	`I use Cedega to play`
`01:25.28`	`Zyphr[2]`	`lol`
`01:25.39`	`Zyphr[2]`	`when i wanna play on linux i do too`
`01:25.40`	`phyber`	`someone should fire the GMs and CMs for use of third party software designed to automate many aspects of responding to customers.`
`01:26.00`	`sbu`	`mah`
`01:26.02`	`[Liquidor]`	`phyber: impossible`
`01:26.09`	`sbu`	`everying complaining about this - i dont get it`
`01:26.11`	`[Liquidor]`	`They don't play wow, haven't you seen the talents? ;)`
`01:26.24`	`sbu`	`it's impossible to do it without response macros`
`01:26.38`	`[Liquidor]`	`Well`
`01:26.43`	`Zyphr[2]`	`neone here ever been a gm?`
`01:26.48`	`sbu`	`and most players dont event get that GMs are NOT responsible for any technical stuff...`
`01:27.00`	`Zyphr[2]`	`ya`
`01:27.01`	`[Liquidor]`	`It's just either Yes / No / GTFO / DO NOT WANT , answers anyway`
`01:27.05`	`phyber`	`sbu: read: not serious. I've spoken to GMs and stuff before. They wished me a happy time in Azeroth ;)`
`01:27.22`	`Zyphr[2]`	`the gm u talk to in game = some random dude at his comp...`
`01:27.31`	`Zyphr[2]`	`not a blizz employee`
`01:27.44`	`Tain`	`I was a guide in EverQuest for a couple of days until the full realization of how useless you were hit me.`
`01:31.42`	`sbu`	`yay!`
`01:31.42`	`sbu`	`Several weapons`
`01:31.42`	`sbu`	`that are picks have been flagged as counting as a Mining pick as well.`
`01:31.59`	`sbu`	`new mining gear with demonslaying`
`01:32.01`	`sbu`	`WTB`
`01:32.08`	`kergoth`	`hah`
`01:32.19`	`kergoth`	`does that mean the finkle's skinner will finally count as a skinning knife too?`
`01:32.22`	`sbu`	`yep`
`01:32.24`	`kergoth`	`woot`
`01:32.29`	`kergoth`	`freeing up inventory space ftw`
`01:32.31`	`sbu`	`"This also means that "Finkel's Skinner" now counts as a Skinning Knife"`
`01:32.38`	`kergoth`	`hehe`
`01:32.42`	`sbu`	`and "This means that the Enchanting Rods now count as all of the lower level enchanting rods as well, so you only need a single enchanting rod instead of all six."`
`01:32.57`	`sbu`	`<3 patchnotes`
`01:33.01`	`[Liquidor]`	`well`
`01:33.27`	`kergoth`	`woot`
`01:33.47`	`[Liquidor]`	`The patch this time has more bug fixes than any patch has ever had`
`01:34.20`	`sbu`	`also nice: "Thrown weapon items no longer stack, but use durability instead. One unit of durability is lost per throw, and these items can be repaired." - diablo2 like :)`
`01:35.18`	`kergoth`	`sweet!`
`01:35.21`	`kergoth`	`thats good news indeed`
`01:35.32`	`kergoth`	`expected, given rogues will be using them more`
`01:35.35`	`kergoth`	`but certainly good news`
`01:35.42`	`Tain`	`Weapon Focus: Thrown!`
`01:37.30`	`ckknight`	`sbu, cool.`
`01:37.42`	`ckknight`	`kergoth, rogues will be using em more?`
`01:38.10`	`kergoth`	`s/em/'em/`
`01:38.16`	`kergoth`	`there's a throwing weapon finishing move`
`01:38.21`	`ckknight`	`ah, cool.`
`01:38.50`	`CIA-14`	`03ckknight * r17144 10Cartographer/Modules/Notes.lua:`
`01:38.50`	`CIA-14`	`Cartographer-Notes - now supports external notes databases.`
`01:38.50`	`CIA-14`	`Added :RegisterNotesDatabase("name", db)`
`01:38.50`	`CIA-14`	`Added :UnregisterNotesDatabase("name")`
`01:38.50`	`CIA-14`	`When adding a note, if the creator is the same as the assigned database's name, it will be attached to that database.`
`01:38.58`	`ckknight`	`^--- very important commit`
`01:39.22`	`haste`	`I'm going to write a media station in-game using PlayMusic()`
`01:39.24`	`Zyphr`	`has anyone else seen this rest debuff thats like u have more than 5 hours online time?`
`01:39.25`	`sbu`	`oh and: sell your blue skeletal horse - according to patchnotes it's possible to sell ATM but not after patch`
`01:39.30`	`haste`	`so I can easily change song etc :)`
`01:39.39`	`sbu`	`Zyphr: ahhh yep`
`01:39.43`	`sbu`	`now i get it`
`01:39.44`	`kergoth`	`ckknight: woot, very nice`
`01:39.45`	`Zyphr`	`srsly?`
`01:39.49`	`haste`	`and time for sleep, good night`
`01:39.58`	`sbu`	`its restricting PTR usage?`
`01:40.04`	`Zyphr`	`i hope`
`01:40.05`	`ckknight`	`kergoth, and if you unregister your db it dynamically removes them from the map`
`01:40.06`	`sbu`	`to specified amount of time?`
`01:40.10`	`Zyphr`	`cuz um if thats real fuck`
`01:40.14`	`ckknight`	`and if you register, it dynamically adds to the map`
`01:40.22`	`ckknight`	`lemme put up some sample code.`
`01:40.22`	`sbu`	`uhmm well`
`01:40.41`	`sbu`	`i got some message that i have 1:23 left till some exhaustion will occur and i will only get half of XP`
`01:40.49`	`kergoth`	`so adding pinpoint support for it will be almost no work at all`
`01:41.14`	`kergoth`	`and a little instance notes addon simple too`
`01:41.24`	`ckknight`	`kergoth, http://ace.pastey.net/2489`
`01:41.36`	`sbu`	`dont kill the pinpoint db - please :)`
`01:41.43`	`ckknight`	`that's example code that adds a skull to the middle of the map`
`01:41.52`	`ckknight`	`sbu, what do you mean?`
`01:42.16`	`[Liquidor]`	`أبو مصعب السوري`
`01:42.20`	`ckknight`	`kergoth, btw, the database can be temporary or a saved variable, no problem at all.`
`01:42.22`	`sbu`	`well - i know some changes to addons which wiped the savedvariables or at least made them unusable`
`01:42.45`	`ckknight`	`Cartographer's notes format is likely completely different from PinPoint's`
`01:42.53`	`kergoth`	`you'd have to write transition code, sbu`
`01:42.55`	`phyber`	`yay. can make a little module to put points on the map for bosses in instances now.`
`01:42.58`	`kergoth`	`or someone would, anyway`
`01:43.03`	`phyber`	`or other interesting things.`
`01:43.03`	`ckknight`	`phyber, exactly.`
`01:43.05`	`sbu`	`ahh hmm ok`
`01:43.21`	`kergoth`	`only spelled correctly`
`01:43.26`	`ckknight`	`hehe`
`01:43.31`	`phyber`	`ckknight: maybe you could make Notes accept any icon paths? or is that hassle.`
`01:43.33`	`sbu`	`how is metamap different from atlas?`
`01:43.34`	`Zyphr`	`i hope that this debuff isn't gunna be implamented in the game`
`01:43.41`	`sbu`	`(instance related)`
`01:43.44`	`phyber`	`so, I could show where I found some Alterac Swiss, or something ;)`
`01:43.54`	`*** join/#wowace Xuerian (n=core@12-196-151-205.psknet.net)`
`01:43.59`	`sbu`	`Zyphr: huuum`
`01:44.01`	`sbu`	`interesting`
`01:44.10`	`phyber`	`maybe not for setting normal notes, but for the instances thing.`
`01:44.11`	`sbu`	`would prevent power leveling`
`01:44.18`	`phyber`	`could make a pic of each bosses head ;)`
`01:44.19`	`Zyphr`	`would prevent me raiding`
`01:44.22`	`Zyphr`	`gay`
`01:44.30`	`ckknight`	`phyber, icon paths?`
`01:44.34`	`phyber`	`ckknight: yeah.`
`01:44.38`	`sbu`	`uhm - whats the debuff you are talking about?`
`01:44.40`	`ckknight`	`phyber, nah, too much hassle, instead I'll just add em to Notes proper.`
`01:44.45`	`sbu`	`i only got some message about 1/2 earned XP`
`01:44.46`	`ckknight`	`it's simpler that way`
`01:44.48`	`sbu`	`nothing more`
`01:44.48`	`ckknight`	`and really not hard to do.`
`01:44.59`	`kergoth`	`ckknight: does cartographer have an api function to hook the click of a pin, to do things like access to a boss loot table interface?`
`01:45.02`	`phyber`	`"Interfaces\\Icons\\INV_Misc_Food_37", etc.`
`01:45.06`	`ckknight`	`kergoth, no, not yet.`
`01:45.09`	`ckknight`	`phyber, hrm.`
`01:45.29`	`ckknight`	`phyber, I'll consider it.`
`01:45.44`	`ckknight`	`current icons use strings, so I'd have to have some way to tell them apart.`
`01:46.02`	`kergoth`	`you could have a means of registering an identifier -> iconpath mapping`
`01:46.16`	`phyber`	`since if we're going to have lots of things in an instance, might be nice to have a different icon for each instead of lots of moons and stars :)`
`01:46.18`	`kergoth`	`self:RegisterIcon("some alterac swiss", "Interfaces\\Icons\\INV_Misc_Food_37")`
`01:46.29`	`kergoth`	`then use "some alterac swiss" where you'd normally use Skull`
`01:46.34`	`sbu`	`hah - "Keyrings have been expanded to hold more key-type items and will now size dynamically for the number of keys in possession." <-- i guess this means more free space :) (onyxia key, ubrs key, ...)`
`01:46.40`	`kergoth`	`sbu: yay`
`01:46.53`	`sbu`	`nice patch, really nice`
`01:46.54`	`phyber`	`that's a /nice/ change.`
`01:46.57`	`ckknight`	`kergoth, thing is, all current icons are memoized`
`01:46.59`	`kergoth`	`i presume thatll cover things like the mara scepter, etc`
`01:47.02`	`kergoth`	`ckknight: ah`
`01:47.02`	`sbu`	`yep`
`01:47.16`	`ckknight`	`kergoth, so I could just accept icon paths as a non-memoized deal.`
`01:47.29`	`ckknight`	`but put the important ones into notes proper.`
`01:47.45`	`ckknight`	`such as skull, etc.`
`01:48.40`	`phyber`	`sbu: where were you reading that?`
`01:48.50`	`sbu`	`phyber: 2.0 PTR patchnotes`
`01:48.56`	`[Liquidor]`	`!!! أبوأبو مصعلسب اومصريمص مبو`
`01:49.19`	`sbu`	`phyber: https://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/underdev/testrealm.html`
`01:49.54`	`Zyphr`	`moo`
`01:49.59`	`Zyphr`	`TBC hates me`
`01:50.04`	`Tain`	`hrm. Jericho was interesting tonight. No spoilers! Really!`
`01:50.16`	`ckknight`	`[Liquidor], keep it to English.`
`01:51.34`	`kergoth`	`phyber: you gonna write a script to steal metamap/atlas's icon positions and convert to pinpoint db layout, or should i?`
`01:51.38`	`kergoth`	`:)`
`01:51.58`	`phyber`	`I'm going to sleep in a few moments, so you might have finished by the time I'm bored at work and do it ;)`
`01:52.16`	`sbu`	`uuhhm`
`01:52.17`	`sbu`	`Players will no longer be able to whisper to enemy players in Battlegrounds.`
`01:52.19`	`sbu`	`its possible?`
`01:52.28`	`sbu`	`testing...`
`01:52.47`	`nymbia`	`haha`
`01:52.57`	`nymbia`	`just make sure you have the server arg in there`
`01:53.23`	`sbu`	`yep`
`01:55.28`	`phyber`	`The Rend Blackhand arena event in Upper Blackrock Spire will now properly reset after a wipe.`
`01:55.34`	`phyber`	`quick fix for that one ;)`
`01:55.57`	`nymbia`	`lol`
`01:56.08`	`ckknight`	`kergoth, note: Metamap's icons will be in different position's than Cartographer's, cause the instance maps are drawn differently.`
`01:56.14`	`ckknight`	`Atlas too`
`01:56.24`	`kergoth`	`hrm`
`01:57.40`	`ckknight`	`Cartographer's map is about 25% bigger`
`01:57.43`	`sbu`	`not working cross-server`
`01:57.45`	`ckknight`	`and slightly to the right`
`01:57.51`	`ckknight`	`compared to Metamap`
`01:58.25`	`*** join/#wowace Stylpe (n=chatzill@6.84-48-86.nextgentel.com)`
`01:58.31`	`kergoth`	`k, will have to add in an offset and scaling factor`
`01:58.32`	`phyber`	`# Fixed an issue where Warlocks were able to despawn a pet to gain a free "Soul Shard"in the Battlegrounds.`
`01:58.34`	`Stylpe`	`Chu!`
`01:58.36`	`phyber`	`this is stupid.`
`01:58.50`	`phyber`	`all they have to do is leave their pet somewhere and run away to get the shard.`
`01:59.02`	`phyber`	`unless you can't go out of range in a BG`
`02:00.00`	`ckknight`	`someone tell me a valid icon path in WoW`
`02:00.49`	`Stylpe`	`What, have I become a stranger now? =P`
`02:01.02`	`phyber`	`Interface\\Icons\\INV_Misc_Food_37`
`02:01.07`	`phyber`	`should work`
`02:01.13`	`phyber`	`if not, it's Food_Misc`
`02:01.21`	`kergoth`	`Stylpe: long time no see`
`02:01.34`	`Stylpe`	`I know, I'm kinda done with WoW I think`
`02:01.46`	`kergoth`	`not returning for the expansion? its good stuff`
`02:02.14`	`Stylpe`	`Well, I just don't have the time anymore with my job`
`02:02.21`	`Stylpe`	`and my new DS =P`
`02:02.34`	`kergoth`	`ahh`
`02:02.34`	`kergoth`	`hehe`
`02:03.21`	`Stylpe`	`Anyway, I just donated 20 bucks to the server fund, you guys deserve it =)`
`02:03.24`	`CIA-14`	`03ckknight * r17145 10Cartographer/Modules/Notes.lua: Cartographer-Notes - now accepts full paths as icons.`
`02:03.34`	`phyber`	`"Various graphical errors will be noticeable while viewing maps."`
`02:03.37`	`ckknight`	`can't you just donate to me? I get hungry.`
`02:03.43`	`phyber`	`they just add a new bug at the end of the notes?`
`02:03.46`	`ckknight`	`plztest Cartographer.`
`02:03.49`	`Stylpe`	`I could donate a cookie`
`02:04.02`	`ckknight`	`phyber, ^--- commit for you.`
`02:04.07`	`phyber`	`\o/`
`02:04.13`	`kergoth`	`phyber: hahah`
`02:04.13`	`sbu`	`testing tomorrow - need some sleep now :/`
`02:04.17`	`ckknight`	`gotta go to class`
`02:05.09`	`phyber`	`it's the last line like "oh, we fixed all this. but now you're maps are going to look shitty as payment. bai"`
`02:05.31`	`phyber`	`I hope they mean they fixed those things ;)`
`02:05.35`	`kergoth`	`hehe`
`02:06.00`	`Cairenn`	`guys ... the mod that would bop your minimap under your mouse, scan tracking blips, then move it back?`
`02:06.24`	`Cairenn`	`anyone remember the name?`
`02:06.30`	`DrDre`	`it was made?`
`02:06.34`	`DrDre`	`i thought it was just an idea lol`
`02:06.36`	`Tain`	`Yeah`
`02:06.41`	`Cairenn`	`it was made`
`02:06.42`	`Stylpe`	`Hi, Cairenn =)`
`02:06.44`	`Tain`	`I did it.`
`02:06.54`	`MentalPower`	`link?`
`02:06.55`	`Cairenn`	`was it yours Tain?`
`02:07.04`	`Cairenn`	`I remember it well, just can't recall the name`
`02:07.06`	`Tain`	`Yeah it was`
`02:07.15`	`Cairenn`	`link hun?`
`02:07.22`	`Tain`	`OF course I have to look at my portal to remember what it was called`
`02:07.42`	`Cairenn`	`thanks :)`
`02:07.43`	`sylvanaar`	`ok anyone know if clique is tbc ready?`
`02:07.45`	`Tain`	`http://wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4361`
`02:07.58`	`eternally777`	`sylvanaar: probably not`
`02:08.06`	`eternally777`	`Unless Clad has one in the works`
`02:08.15`	`Stylpe`	`Why isn't Cairenn talking to me?`
`02:08.20`	`sylvanaar`	`what do you suggest for a casting mod?`
`02:08.20`	`Cairenn`	`hi Stylpe`
`02:08.26`	`Stylpe`	`phew`
`02:08.34`	`Stylpe`	`hug`
`02:09.10`	`Tain`	`I actually even thought about trying to do more with it recently.`
`02:09.18`	`Cairenn`	`oh, you mean this? http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=5453`
`02:09.19`	`Tain`	`But then I didn't.`
`02:10.04`	`MentalPower`	`Tain: sources indicate that its possible to CreateFrame("Minimap")`
`02:10.09`	`phyber`	`hah, Rowne's response to someone regarding addons and FPS in that thread rocks`
`02:10.10`	`sylvanaar`	`Cairenn: thanks i was just there but there wasnt a link to it from the main mod page`
`02:10.13`	`phyber`	`"I decided that a Car was too much of a hassle the other day because its speed obscured too much of my view of the World around me. So I sold it and now I walk ten miles to work every day. I have perfect FPS too, I can always see things great regardless of where I am."`
`02:10.26`	`Tain`	`Yeah that was why I was thinking about it MentalPower`
`02:11.00`	`Cairenn`	`sylvanaar: should have been able to do it, but you can always do an advanced search by mod author name if you know who created`
`02:11.11`	`Cairenn`	`s/to do it/to find it/`
`02:12.09`	`sylvanaar`	`Cairenn: i just looked for a TBC branch in the SVN - finding none, i just assumed there wasnt a release on wowi`
`02:12.20`	`Cairenn`	`ah`
`02:12.42`	`Cairenn`	`thought you meant you had searched the BC download cat at WoWI, my misunderstanding`
`02:12.48`	`phyber`	`Stylpe! Upgrade KeepItCool to Ace2 for us ;)`
`02:12.59`	`phyber`	`I've looked at it many times and your code is crazy :)`
`02:13.07`	`Stylpe`	`I would in a heartbeat if I had a WoW account =)`
`02:13.15`	`Stylpe`	`Hahaha, thanks =P`
`02:13.22`	`Gngsk`	`what about tcg's Tradeskills?`
`02:13.43`	`Stylpe`	`Rowne said that about me too =P`
`02:13.52`	`sylvanaar`	`Cairenn: no, i checked the forum here, linked to wowi, then checked svn, anyways thanks for the help`
`02:14.02`	`Cairenn`	`quite welcome :)`
`02:14.19`	`Stylpe`	`I do really want to return to WoW, but I cant. I wish the week had an extra week in it, if you know what I mean`
`02:14.23`	`phyber`	`Stylpe: actually, it's mainly because all of the FuBar stuff is in there with the regular addon. can't tell what's doing what ;)`
`02:14.38`	`Stylpe`	`Ah =P`
`02:14.45`	`phyber`	`or, what's used where, rather.`
`02:14.59`	`Stylpe`	`That's just because FuBar support is optional, it's messy as hell`
`02:15.00`	`kergoth`	`heh, that clique is no longer ace2`
`02:15.08`	`kergoth`	`iiinteresting`
`02:15.09`	`Cairenn`	`nope, it isn't`
`02:15.25`	`Stylpe`	`I'd probably rewrite it if I was gonna release it for Ace2`
`02:15.38`	`Stylpe`	`Or at least parts of it`
`02:15.45`	`Stylpe`	`I'd get rid of Timex for starters`
`02:15.49`	`kergoth`	`tcgtradeskills does what kic did.. course it does more than that, more than some might need`
`02:16.44`	`beerke`	`TradeCooldownFu works as well`
`02:16.49`	`beerke`	`but for fubar then ofc.`
`02:17.59`	`Stylpe`	`But would you switch to KiC if I upgraded it?`
`02:18.42`	`beerke`	`unlikely, TradeCooldownFu does everything i want`
`02:18.56`	`phyber`	`I don't use anything since dropping KiC.`
`02:19.12`	`phyber`	`I just make mooncloth every <whenever I remember> instead ;)`
`02:19.39`	`Stylpe`	`hehe`
`02:19.45`	`beerke`	`ow djeez this acelocal stuff breaks em up`
`02:20.04`	`phyber`	`I might take another look tomorrow, looks like the basic part of KiC is the "CheckIt" function. for seeing which loot you just made.`
`02:20.34`	`phyber`	`bbl. :)`
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`02:30.01`	`beerke`	`anyone handy with AceLocale can look at this http://ace.pastey.net/2490-7p6d`
`02:30.13`	`Kalamad1`	`So. My guild has scheduled ZG, Ony, MC, BWL, AQ20, AQ20`
`02:30.24`	`Kalamad1`	`All runs are filled INSTANTLY except for AQ40.`
`02:30.25`	`beerke`	`i just added the Locale and for some reason it can't find translations, and i am clueless`
`02:30.44`	`Kalamad1`	`We're an hour past opening invites and half the raid is full...`
`02:31.21`	`beerke`	`seriously MC is more boring then AQ40 imo`
`02:31.55`	`Tain`	`Of course it is. No one likes MC.`
`02:32.23`	`Gngsk`	`lies! I love it`
`02:32.50`	`Kalamad1`	`We've Nef on farm status, but can't get enough members to down Skeram. As a paladin...this majorly sucks.`
`02:33.03`	`Gngsk`	`eh`
`02:33.17`	`Gngsk`	`skeram is like, as easy as razorgore`
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`02:35.47`	`haarm`	`anyone on PTRs ?`
`02:35.52`	`Kalamad1`	`We're going to have to start holding loot hostage on BWL runs in order to increase attendance.`
`02:35.56`	`haarm`	`http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html;jsessionid=8710697CE6757DB6095DD860199A189F?topicId=47299406&sid=1`
`02:38.22`	`haarm`	`what are your thoughts on 40 debuffs and displaying... is it possible/impossible to display... is it going to be more efficient to show a debuff summary? Corruption(5) or something ?`
`02:38.48`	`kergoth`	`summary like that sounds most sane to me`
`02:39.05`	`Kalamad1`	`I think separating it into columns intelligently would be best`
`02:39.21`	`Kalamad1`	`First column, debuffs applicable to you, then your class, then the rest`
`02:39.44`	`Kalamad1`	`It would take some work with Chronometer, I think, to know which debuffs are up for you`
`02:39.46`	`haarm`	`well the fact the blizz UI still only shows 16, I wonder if the functions for retrieving debuff info even go up to 40, anyone tested?`
`02:43.30`	`kergoth`	`well, i dont really see what the benefit is in seeing each and every corruption, for example`
`02:43.47`	`kergoth`	`it doesnt matter, all that matters is whether yours is up, and how many of the others are`
`02:43.49`	`kergoth`	`imo`
`02:43.49`	`haarm`	`well it would be nice to see the number increment when you casted yours`
`02:43.54`	`kergoth`	`sure`
`02:43.57`	Funkeh`	`nn`
`02:45.33`	`eternally777`	`The Naxxramas map for Cartographer seems to be broken.`
`02:46.26`	`kergoth`	`it saddens me that the second quest in outland was just an upgrade for my rogue`
`02:46.30`	`kergoth`	`poor worthless epix`
`02:47.05`	`DrDre`	`what was item?>`
`02:47.27`	`kergoth`	`just some 44.7 dps dagger with some agi, str, and ap`
`02:47.28`	`kergoth`	`heh`
`02:47.29`	`kergoth`	`green`
`02:48.03`	`DrDre`	`no thx for me then lol`
`02:48.10`	`DrDre`	`only dagger i use is in OH :P`
`02:48.15`	`kergoth`	`hehe`
`02:48.19`	`kergoth`	`theres an equivalent sword too`
`02:48.40`	`DrDre`	`currently MH Dal Rends OH Gutgore ripper`
`02:48.47`	`kergoth`	`ah nice`
`02:48.54`	`kergoth`	`could be worse`
`02:49.15`	`DrDre`	`ima get the GM weps tho`
`02:49.38`	`Gngsk`	`that's what everyone's saying`
`02:52.29`	`Gngsk`	`Don't you wish you were a true winner of the genetic lottery?`
`02:52.35`	`Gngsk`	`Well, that will never be said about you.`
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`02:53.24`	`DrDre`	`huh >_>?`
`02:54.02`	`Gngsk`	`I dunno, I'm watching basketball and Bill Walton just said that about one of the players.`
`02:54.12`	`Gngsk`	`seemed kinda funny to me`
`02:54.17`	`Gngsk`	`you know anything about Bill Walton?`
`02:57.06`	`Tain`	`Bill Walton's a funny guy.`
`02:58.50`	`Gngsk`	`yea, classic`
`02:59.06`	`Gngsk`	`that one old ass clip after laker's won the title and he's talking about how someone stole his bike`
`02:59.12`	`Gngsk`	`I laugh everytime I see it`
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`03:10.50`	`CIA-14`	`03beerke * r17146 10KingOfTheJungle/ (4 files):`
`03:10.50`	`CIA-14`	`KingOfTheJungle :`
`03:10.50`	`CIA-14`	`- added localization`
`03:22.04`	`DrDre`	`you guys seen this open source WoW Emu?`
`03:23.51`	`*** join/#wowace MentalPower (n=chatzill@host-70-45-82-92.onelinkpr.net)`
`03:25.17`	`DrDre`	`http://wowwow.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/src/`
`03:25.43`	`mjc`	`in c sharp? ewwwwwwww`
`03:25.55`	`Tekkub`	`http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/41526959/`
`03:26.02`	`Tekkub`	`looks not like a sun to me...`
`03:26.05`	`Tain`	`Nothing wrong with C#.`
`03:26.19`	`Tekkub`	`rather like someone wearing a white shirt got poked in the belly button`
`03:26.37`	`mjc`	`Tekkub: albino anus`
`03:26.47`	`Tekkub`	`deep one`
`03:27.27`	`mjc`	`man accounts on ebay are expensive. fuck that.`
`03:27.51`	`pastamancer`	`bah, where's ckk when you need hom`
`03:28.06`	`Amadeo`	`I heard C# was pretty good`
`03:28.53`	`Tain`	`C# is. If you're doing Windows code its arguably better than anything else you'd be using.`
`03:29.00`	`Tain`	`But it's at least "as good.'`
`03:29.30`	`Tain`	`If you're going multiplatform then it's not the best choice.`
`03:37.22`	`Thunder_Child`	`does anyone know of a lightweight mod that exteds the friends list past it's max and has realtime monitoring of on/off wow?`
`03:37.33`	`Thunder_Child`	`extends*`
`03:43.45`	`Josh_Borke`	`usz: ping`
`03:46.31`	`Zyphr`	`mooo?`
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`03:49.01`	`CIA-14`	`03joshborke * r17147 10GuildBook/ (GuildBook.toc gui.lua):`
`03:49.02`	`CIA-14`	`GuildBook:`
`03:49.02`	`CIA-14`	`- updated for wow 2.0 (just had to get rid of table.setn)`
`03:50.58`	`CIA-14`	`03joshborke * r17148 10GuildBook/GuildBook.toc: GuildBook: reverted toc to 11200`
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`04:04.02`	`CIA-14`	`03xuerian * r17149 10AnchorsAway/ (4 files in 2 dirs): AnchorsAway: Initial commit. Library to manage stacks of frames.`
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`04:09.14`	`CIA-14`	`03xuerian * r17150 10XLoot/ (5 files in 2 dirs): XLoot: Merged common functions from Monitor and Group into XLootRowTools.lua. Options changes.`
`04:12.49`	`CIA-14`	`03xuerian * r17151 10XLootGroup/ (5 files): XLootGroup: Initial commit. Splitting roll frames from Monitor, using AnchorsAway. Sizing of buttons implemented. Menu available through /xloot group`
`04:15.32`	`CIA-14`	`03xuerian * r17152 10XLootMonitor/ (6 files): XLootMonitor: Removed Group functions. Converted to AnchorsAway. Cleaned up menu.`
`04:17.22`	`Fudge`	`Hmm..`
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`04:17.49`	`Fudge`	`Anyone ever dealt with GMs regarding mis-MasterLooted items?`
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`04:19.19`	`Armooo`	`Fudge: ya they said nope can't help you`
`04:20.44`	`Fudge`	`I was under the impression that they used to 'help' you with that.`
`04:20.51`	`Fudge`	`Did they change the policy?`
`04:21.10`	`Fudge`	`From what I've interpreted from the policies on their site they should fix it.`
`04:22.10`	`Armooo`	`I was told the devs feel that it is to hard to do with the new "are you sure" box`
`04:23.16`	`Fudge`	`Just got some Netherwind gloves master-looted to someone who already had them due to some communication fallout.`
`04:23.21`	`Fudge`	`Ah well..`
`04:25.55`	`[FH]Birdemani`	`wait, anchors away was xloot?`
`04:26.21`	`Xuerian`	`No, AnchorsAway is a embed, I gutted the anchoring/row handling system from monitor`
`04:26.25`	`Armooo`	`you can try it I have read of people doing getting it to work, my GM my have just been a bitch`
`04:26.27`	`CIA-14`	`03xuerian * r17153 10AnchorsAway/ (. AnchorsAway-1.0/AnchorsAway-1.0.lua AnchorsAway.toc): AnchorsAway: Added embeds. Added SVN properties.`
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`04:34.28`	`CIA-14`	`03xuerian * r17154 10!!!StandaloneLibraries/AnchorsAway/: !!!StandaloneLibraries: Added AnchorsAway`
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`04:49.02`	`ckknight`	`hey all`
`04:49.24`	`ckknight`	`how's everyone doing?`
`04:49.24`	`Fudge`	`Bad.`
`04:49.43`	`Arrowmaster`	`whats the url of the wowinterface page with the diffs of the different interface versions?`
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`04:49.46`	`ckknight`	`wdn.wowinterface.com`
`04:49.56`	`Fudge`	`The Chromatic Dragonkins keep running into the raid and AoE-killing everyone.`
`04:49.59`	`DrDre`	`omg`
`04:50.00`	`DrDre`	`http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=284513238711939702&q=hacking`
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`04:50.16`	`DrDre`	`that needs some further investigation >_>`
`04:51.58`	`ckknight`	`cool, DrDre`
`04:53.01`	`pastamancer`	`ckknight: AceEvent-2.0.lua line 359`
`04:53.14`	`ckknight`	`pastamancer, what about it?`
`04:53.18`	`ckknight`	`and vanilla or TBC?`
`04:53.28`	`pastamancer`	`TBC, and it shouldn't be there`
`04:54.15`	`ckknight`	`weird`
`04:54.16`	`ckknight`	`sorry, guy`
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`04:55.14`	`CIA-14`	`03ckknight 07TBC * r17155 10Ace2/Ace2/AceEvent-2.0/AceEvent-2.0.lua: .AceEvent-2.0 - removed _G.event line`
`04:55.21`	`pastamancer`	`:)`
`04:55.57`	`Thunder_Child`	`ckknight, your handleing cartographer correct?`
`04:56.12`	`ckknight`	`the spelling fairy sheds one tear.`
`04:56.15`	`ckknight`	`but yes.`
`04:56.38`	`pastamancer`	`now we wait for slouken to modify ChatFrame so AceComm isn't so taint-y`
`04:56.39`	`Zeryl`	`In the EpoxyTBC pack, there is an addon called coins, using ace. I don't see it on the wowace file page, anyone know where I can find it for Live?`
`04:56.39`	`Thunder_Child`	`the fairy has spent a lot of tears on me then`
`04:56.53`	`Thunder_Child`	`eternally777: The Naxxramas map for Cartographer seems to be broken. (this was about 2 hrs ago)`
`04:57.26`	`ckknight`	`not sure why you pinged eternally777 there.`
`04:57.40`	`Thunder_Child`	`didnt, he was the one to say that`
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`04:58.05`	`ckknight`	`oh`
`04:58.08`	`ckknight`	`fair enough.`
`04:58.44`	`ckknight`	`the USB ports on my laptop are like all broken.`
`04:58.52`	`ckknight`	`not really sure why.`
`04:58.56`	`ckknight`	`any ideas?`
`04:58.57`	`mjc`	`broken ?`
`04:59.09`	`Thunder_Child`	`software or hardware problem?`
`04:59.13`	`ckknight`	`mjc, plugging my mouses into them does nothing.`
`04:59.18`	`ckknight`	`pretty sure hardware.`
`04:59.33`	`ckknight`	`almost positive it's hardware`
`04:59.36`	`Thunder_Child`	`do they light up e.g. is there power?`
`04:59.40`	`ckknight`	`I should double-check, though`
`04:59.42`	`ckknight`	`no, Thunder_Child`
`04:59.44`	`Zeryl`	`does windows hardware manager thing show the USB hubs?`
`05:00.46`	`ckknight`	`yes, Zeryl`
`05:00.53`	`Thunder_Child`	`when was the last time you knew they worked?`
`05:01.04`	`ckknight`	`they've been quirky for the past few weeks`
`05:01.10`	`ckknight`	`but they worked like 3 days ago`
`05:01.16`	`ckknight`	`quirkily, though`
`05:01.21`	`ckknight`	`sometimes cutting out.`
`05:01.30`	`Thunder_Child`	`could just be they got old`
`05:01.41`	`Thunder_Child`	`or you droped your laptop 10 to many times`
`05:01.49`	`ckknight`	`prolly the latter.`
`05:02.27`	`mjc`	`ckknight: does hte trackpad work ?`
`05:02.34`	`mjc`	`and does the computer see the trackpad as USB?`
`05:02.41`	`ckknight`	`trackpad?`
`05:02.47`	`mjc`	`laptop pad`
`05:02.52`	`ckknight`	`the mouse thingy?`
`05:03.02`	`ckknight`	`yes.`
`05:03.08`	`Thunder_Child`	`well there are 2 different types the little nub and the pad`
`05:03.08`	`ckknight`	`and no, it's not seen as USB`
`05:03.15`	`ckknight`	`I have the pad`
`05:03.22`	`mjc`	`it shows up in device manager as PS/2 ?`
`05:03.37`	`ckknight`	`lemme check`
`05:03.58`	`mjc`	`Thunder_Child: nobody has sold an eraserhead-only PC laptop since 2001.`
`05:04.57`	`Thunder_Child`	`i dont know how old ckknight's is`
`05:05.07`	`ckknight`	`a year and a half`
`05:05.25`	`ckknight`	`mjc, it's seen as PS/2`
`05:05.42`	`mjc`	`ah`
`05:05.57`	`ckknight`	`Synaptics PS/2 Port Touchpad`
`05:07.22`	`pastamancer`	`eraserhead? I always called that the clit-mouse`
`05:07.53`	`Thunder_Child`	`it always looked like an eraser to me`
`05:08.25`	`Thunder_Child`	`and when was the last time playing with a clit gave you as much pleasure as a computer`
`05:08.31`	`Xuerian`	`XD`
`05:08.38`	`pastamancer`	`...`
`05:09.06`	`Xuerian`	`I suppose it depends on the sex of the person you're asking.`
`05:09.57`	`ckknight`	`mjc, one thing is that sometimes it pops up "USB Device Not Recognized"`
`05:10.08`	`mjc`	`broken ports`
`05:10.14`	`ckknight`	`damn`
`05:10.18`	`mjc`	`can easily replace them`
`05:10.24`	`mjc`	`if you know anything about soldering`
`05:10.40`	`ckknight`	`I do, but I'm not sure I'm comfortable doing that...`
`05:11.12`	`pastamancer`	`soldering anything on a PCB is more trouble than it's worth`
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`05:12.24`	`ckknight`	`what should I do, then?`
`05:12.29`	`ckknight`	`WoW sucks without a mouse.`
`05:12.43`	`pastamancer`	`are you lucky enough to still have a PS2 port?`
`05:13.16`	`ckknight`	`no, I have a laptop without on.`
`05:13.17`	`ckknight`	`one*`
`05:13.46`	`pastamancer`	`I guess you're screwed`
`05:14.07`	`Kirkburn`	`Eek`
`05:14.10`	`ckknight`	`surely I could take it in somewhere.`
`05:14.12`	`Thunder_Child`	`lol Xuerian`
`05:14.21`	`Xuerian`	`<.<`
`05:14.25`	`Thunder_Child`	`i suppose it does`
`05:14.50`	`kergoth`	`http://hawkins.kergoth.com:1980/Pics%20of%20Smokey%20010.jpg`
`05:14.58`	`pastamancer`	`hmm, what brand?`
`05:15.39`	`MentalPower`	`kergoth: thats so cute!`
`05:16.11`	`Thunder_Child`	`yea kergoth, that is a nice laptop`
`05:16.53`	`MentalPower`	`lol`
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`05:17.25`	`ckknight_`	`blah`
`05:17.27`	`ckknight_`	`Compaq, pastamancer`
`05:20.59`	`pastamancer`	`hmm, I used to work at a place that fixed mostly toshibas, but did compaq too. You'd probably be beter off just calling the manufacturer.`
`05:21.50`	`mjc`	`kergoth: cute`
`05:22.04`	`mjc`	`kergoth: I want a small dog like that but I work hours that don't coincide with their bladders`
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`05:23.47`	`Kalamad1`	`Kergoth: What's that thing beneath your lappy?`
`05:27.44`	`Antiarc`	`Is the "items are unusable even out of combat from unsecured frames" a bug, or do I need to use secure frames for Sanity?`
`05:30.31`	`pastamancer`	`you're probably going to need secure frames :(`
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`05:37.45`	`Kalamad1`	`Argh. I can't copy my character to the PTR -_-`
`05:38.46`	`mjc`	`why not`
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`05:39.21`	`Kalamad1`	`At the last step, it says "Unable to complete request", suggesting that "There was a problem with [my] request."`
`05:40.41`	`mjc`	`ouch`
`05:41.01`	`Kalamad1`	`I've been logged out for nearly 45 minutes, too`
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`05:42.50`	`Kalamad1`	`I presume noone else has this problem :/`
`05:47.11`	`Fudge`	`I copied my character Monday night.. but it still hasn't shown up.`
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`05:57.19`	`Tem`	`~logs`
`05:57.20`	`purl`	`apt/ibot/jbot/purl all log to http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/ where channelname is html encoded ie: %23debian \| lines that start with a space are not shown \| some channels have stats at http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz, or updated "nightly"`
`06:01.53`	`Fudge`	`Wewtz, got my char on PTR now.`
`06:03.03`	`ckknight`	`grats`
`06:04.28`	`CIA-14`	`03ckknight * r17156 10Cartographer/Modules/Notes.lua: Cartographer-Notes - added more available colors, tweaked current colors to look better.`
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`06:05.42`	`ckknight`	`kergoth, ping`
`06:08.32`	`ckknight`	`or phyber...`
`06:08.47`	`ckknight`	`I need to brainstorm about notes stuff.`
`06:09.15`	`Tekkub`	`ah what to do tonight.......`
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`06:15.12`	`Zyphr`	`quick question is there a way to remove chat window 1?`
`06:15.17`	`ckknight`	`no`
`06:15.17`	`Zyphr`	`have it not show at all?`
`06:15.20`	`Zyphr`	`damnit`
`06:15.22`	`Zyphr`	`=(`
`06:15.39`	`Neebler`	`sure. drag it off the screen`
`06:15.49`	`Zyphr`	`meh`
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`06:16.59`	`Tekkub`	`ChatFrame1:Hide() ?`
`06:18.33`	`ckknight`	`Tekkub, chat frames aren't that nice, afaik`
`06:19.04`	`nymbia`	`it'll work for the moment`
`06:19.12`	`nymbia`	`probably pop back up when you zone`
`06:19.22`	`MentalPower\|ZZzz`	`ChatFrame1.Show = ChatFrame1.Hide`
`06:19.32`	`nymbia`	`haha, that'd do it`
`06:19.52`	`Kemayo`	`Anyone know if there's a Ace2 set of target frames that will list everything that has aggro on my party, and show what debuffs I have cast on all of them? (I'm an Affliction warlock. It's a tough life.)`
`06:20.58`	`nymbia`	`there's no way to get info for an enemy unless you or one of your party is targeting it`
`06:22.14`	`Kemayo`	`How about something like Perfect Targets but showing debuffs?`
`06:23.31`	`Tekkub`	`it's a waste of your time Kem`
`06:23.48`	`Tekkub`	`come 2.0 PTarg and anything similar will be display only`
`06:24.51`	`Zyphr`	`<PROTECTED>`
`06:27.09`	`nymbia`	`well, you could have it show all your party's targets, and have duplicate ones made transparent`
`06:29.07`	`CIA-14`	`03kemayo * r17157 10AuldLangSyne/AuldLangSyne.lua: AuldLangSyne: Switch to secure hooks.`
`06:31.26`	`amro`	`nymbia: how can you tell the difference between two mobs of the same name?`
`06:32.24`	`nymbia`	`UnitIsUnit("party1target","party2target")`
`06:33.56`	`amro`	`but that's not all the mobs that are attacking, merely the ones that are targetted`
`06:34.37`	`Tekkub`	`that's the best you'll ever get`
`06:34.47`	`Antiarc`	`I'm reading and re-reading the secure frames stuff, and it's just not clicking.`
`06:35.00`	`amro`	`:( ive been wondering how to check different units and thought it was impossible`
`06:35.12`	`nymbia`	`correct, amro. you can't ever ever get info for a mob other than what you or your party or their pets are targeting.`
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`06:35.54`	`nymbia`	`well, or anything that those are targeting, all the way down the line. ;)`
`06:36.36`	`nymbia`	`like if your 7th raid member's pet is targeting an enemy player who's targeting a mob who's targeting another mob -- you can get info for all those units.`
`06:38.25`	`Zyphr`	`<3 Dream Chat with that line thnx =)`
`06:41.34`	`Antiarc`	`Ok, this isn't clicking. What do I need to do to be able to use an item from a custom button?`
`06:42.07`	`Antiarc`	`button:SetAttribute("type", "item"); button:SetAttribute("bag", 1); button:SetAttribute("slot", 1); doesn't seem to do what I seemed to expect it to.`
`06:42.13`	`Antiarc`	`There's something I'm not catching.`
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`07:12.46`	`Kemayo`	`Tekkub: I don't care about display-only. All I want is a list which I can click on to select that particular mob. :)`
`07:13.23`	`Tekkub`	`whice can only be done with a full raid ToT frame`
`07:13.27`	`Tekkub`	`come 2.0`
`07:17.00`	`Kemayo`	`Truly, my life is pain.`
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`07:35.12`	`DrDre`	`i was jus thinking`
`07:35.18`	`DrDre`	`since PlayMusic supports url's`
`07:35.26`	`DrDre`	`could that be used to send data to a webpage?`
`07:35.35`	`Zyphr`	`yesh!`
`07:35.37`	`Zyphr`	`keke`
`07:35.45`	`DrDre`	`like PlayMusic("...../send.php?data=" .. blah);`
`07:35.49`	`DrDre`	`could be useful :o`
`07:36.04`	`DrDre`	`no method to retreive tho is it?`
`07:36.22`	`Zyphr`	`idk`
`07:36.52`	`Zyphr`	`Ckk can u figure out why there is no latest.txt in the DreamChat dir on the /files thingy?`
`07:37.05`	`DrDre`	`no trunk file?`
`07:37.09`	`DrDre`	`they are all branches last i saw`
`07:37.19`	`Zyphr`	`http://wowace.com/files/index.php?path=DreamChat/\`
`07:37.20`	`ckknight`	`Zyphr, sorry, I'm not in charge of that.`
`07:37.24`	`Zyphr`	`ok`
`07:37.26`	`Zyphr`	`thnx`
`07:37.27`	`DrDre`	`yep`
`07:37.27`	`ckknight`	`or have any real relation to that.`
`07:37.47`	`Zyphr`	`the thing being is the updater uses the latest.txt to update no?`
`07:37.51`	`DrDre`	`what happened to that masked file to latest version`
`07:37.58`	`DrDre`	`yeah and it bugs updater`
`07:38.03`	`Zyphr`	`yeh`
`07:38.03`	`DrDre`	`dreamchat isnt on trunk yet is why`
`07:38.07`	`DrDre`	`its all branches`
`07:38.11`	`Zyphr`	`oic`
`07:38.13`	`Zyphr`	`=(`
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`08:17.07`	`Kyahx`	`Blizz ban's linux users :(`
`08:17.34`	`XLVII`	`forreal?`
`08:17.41`	`Kyahx`	`http://transgaming.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=41042`
`08:18.00`	`Kyahx`	`Apparently a bunch of Cedega users got lumped into the latest patch of bans for 3rd party software`
`08:18.34`	`nymbia`	`Kyahx: did you see the thread in the official forums about it?`
`08:19.01`	`Kyahx`	`Yea, Im paranoid thou`
`08:19.05`	`Kyahx`	`thinking about reinstalling windows`
`08:20.16`	`nymbia`	`well, imo.. until i see some solid proof otherwise, i'd say cedega users are fine unless they're actually cheating.`
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`08:21.22`	`steino_`	`hmm`
`08:21.26`	`steino_`	`checks email`
`08:21.42`	`steino_`	`phew`
`08:21.45`	`steino_`	`no ban mail!`
`08:21.48`	`Kyahx`	`heh`
`08:22.37`	`steino_`	`I wish there was a beta mail tho :<`
`08:22.57`	`Kyahx`	`=/`
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`08:29.26`	`Zyphr`	`wew dreamchat is nice`
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`08:38.00`	`CIA-14`	`03nymbia * r17158 10MobMitigation/ (12 files in 2 dirs):`
`08:38.00`	`CIA-14`	`MobMitigation: initial commit`
`08:38.00`	`CIA-14`	`- Calculates and displays enemy spell and melee damage mitigation.`
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`08:44.32`	`Kirkburn`	`What is Dreamchat?`
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`08:46.58`	`CIA-14`	`03nymbia * r17159 10MobMitigation/:`
`08:46.58`	`CIA-14`	`MobMitigation:`
`08:46.59`	`CIA-14`	`- Added Externals`
`08:47.02`	`Melisandre`	`hi`
`08:47.13`	`nymbia`	`hi Melisandre`
`08:47.42`	`Melisandre`	`A quesiton about aguf: is there a simple way to show more than 10 buffs/defbuffs for a single line?`
`08:48.03`	`Melisandre`	`there0s a discussion going on and it looks like it is a hard thing to do`
`08:48.27`	`nymbia`	`andg, ping`
`08:48.39`	`Tekkub`	`Seymour`
`08:48.46`	`Tekkub`	`<Grand Master Skinner>`
`08:48.53`	`Tekkub`	`nice and subtle that one is`
`08:49.05`	`nymbia`	`there's some good ones ;)`
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`08:51.31`	`Melisandre`	`nobody knows? :)`
`08:52.28`	`nymbia`	`Melisandre: my best guess would be that it'd be part of a given layout, however, i've not really messed with that stuff. if ag were around, we could get a better answer.`
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`08:53.01`	`Melisandre`	`awww ok.. thanks nymbia`
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`08:58.58`	`abbat_w`	`btw`
`08:59.08`	`abbat_w`	`i have nice idea to improve Align mod`
`08:59.42`	`abbat_w`	`it's be nice if i can setup grid step from command string like /aling 20 for grid with 20 pixels step`
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`09:10.27`	`Melisandre`	`brb`
`09:10.30`	`Melisandre`	`bye :)`
`09:13.23`	`CIA-14`	`03nymbia * r17160 10MobMitigation/ (MobMitigation ReadMe.html MobMitigation.toc images/Thumbs.db):`
`09:13.23`	`CIA-14`	`MobMitigation:`
`09:13.23`	`CIA-14`	`- Thumbs.db is the devil.`
`09:13.23`	`CIA-14`	`- Added cute lil' readme`
`09:13.23`	`CIA-14`	`- Added Babble OptDep to toc`
`09:13.24`	`CIA-14`	`- Added AceForum ref to toc`
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`09:18.27`	`CIA-14`	`03nymbia * r17161 10Sniff/:`
`09:18.27`	`CIA-14`	`Sniff:`
`09:18.27`	`CIA-14`	`- Tweaked externals for consistancy`
`09:19.25`	`CIA-14`	`03nymbia * r17162 10Manufac/:`
`09:19.25`	`CIA-14`	`Manufac:`
`09:19.25`	`CIA-14`	`- Tweaked externals for consistancy`
`09:21.08`	`Kirkburn`	`Hmmmm, TinyTip breaks EQCompare`
`09:22.32`	`CIA-14`	`03nymbia * r17163 10SpellBinder/:`
`09:22.32`	`CIA-14`	`SpellBinder:`
`09:22.32`	`CIA-14`	`- Removed an unused property.`
`09:22.35`	`Neebler`	`AFTT_Extreme for life!`
`09:23.01`	`nymbia`	`Neebler: is that the one that has like... buffs and debuffs and stuff?`
`09:23.27`	`Neebler`	`trying to think... I'm pretty sure it shows them`
`09:23.56`	`sylvanaar`	`got a error in bugsack...says ace2 is the origin - im thinking its grid, want to see?`
`09:24.33`	`Neebler`	`no, it doesn't show buffs or debuffs`
`09:26.41`	`Melisandre`	`noob question: why when setting color in a string you have 4 pairs of values?`
`09:26.45`	`Melisandre`	`one is for alpha?`
`09:26.59`	`Melisandre`	`<----- big big noob`
`09:27.53`	`nymbia`	`yeah`
`09:27.58`	`nymbia`	`first one's alpha`
`09:28.11`	`nymbia`	`\|cAARRGGBB`
`09:28.33`	`sylvanaar`	`ADDON_ACTION_BLOCKED:AddOn 'Ace2' tried to call the protected function 'TargetofTargetFrame:Show()'`
`09:28.50`	`sylvanaar`	`is that an error that i should report?`
`09:29.01`	`nymbia`	`where's the stack lead?`
`09:29.06`	`sylvanaar`	`grid`
`09:29.16`	`nymbia`	`yeah, report that one`
`09:30.08`	`[Ammo]`	`morning`
`09:30.38`	`Shyva`	`morning [Ammo] :)`
`09:31.18`	`nymbia`	`hey ammo`
`09:32.26`	`Elkano`	`sylvanaar, but supply the stacktrace since it's note really Ace2 that's causing that`
`09:32.31`	`Melisandre`	`thank you nymbia :)`
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`09:37.53`	`Tekkub`	`http://www.thottbot.com/beta?i=15511`
`09:38.02`	`Tekkub`	`I hope they don't change these names`
`09:38.12`	`nymbia`	`haha`
`09:39.35`	`sylvanaar`	`Elkano: i posted it in the grid thread just now`
`09:39.45`	`CIA-14`	`03fritti 07TBC * r17164 10AckBar/AckBar/AckBar.toc: AckBar: add X-RelSite-WoWI and X-AceForum to the TOC`
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`09:43.37`	`Tekkub`	`http://www.thottbot.com/beta?i=15296`
`09:43.40`	`Tekkub`	`me wanty!`
`09:44.18`	`nymbia`	`that looks fun`
`09:44.54`	`[Ammo]`	`mooooo`
`09:45.24`	`[Ammo]`	`brain damage`
`09:45.25`	`[Ammo]`	`nce`
`09:45.26`	`[Ammo]`	`nice`
`09:46.33`	`Rophy`	`does the new lua 5.1 vararg works like a function call?`
`09:46.52`	`Rophy`	`i.e. "..." = a function?`
`09:57.29`	`CIA-14`	`03jerry 07jerry * r17165 10lern2count/lern2count/ (6 files in 2 dirs):`
`09:57.29`	`CIA-14`	`lern2count (jerry's branch) :`
`09:57.29`	`CIA-14`	`_ split localization in different files`
`09:58.59`	`sylvanaar`	`Rophy: its a list of parameters, like in a function call`
`09:59.56`	`Rophy`	`so how do I get its list length and remove elements from it?`
`10:00.22`	`sylvanaar`	`select() i believe was the method everyone mentioned most`
`10:01.16`	`CIA-14`	`03nymbia * r17166 10SpellBinder/SpellBinder.toc:`
`10:01.16`	`CIA-14`	`SpellBinder:`
`10:01.16`	`CIA-14`	`- Changed to Action Bars category. (it's not an actionbars mod, but that seems the most logical place to put it regardless)`
`10:01.27`	`Rophy`	`hmm`
`10:01.44`	`Rophy`	`looks you can't directly modify ... then`
`10:02.29`	`CIA-14`	`03jerry * r17167 10FuBar_TimerFu/Locales/ (enUS.lua frFR.lua):`
`10:02.29`	`CIA-14`	`FuBar_TimerFu :`
`10:02.29`	`CIA-14`	`_ added a few missing locale strings`
`10:02.29`	`CIA-14`	`_ added missing french translation`
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`10:04.10`	`sylvanaar`	`for i=1 select('#', ...) do local arg = select(i, ...) end`
`10:05.25`	`sylvanaar`	`that what you wanted?`
`10:05.49`	`Rophy`	`nope, I want to remove an element from the vararg.`
`10:06.03`	`Rophy`	`Guess I'll just do local args = { ... }`
`10:08.12`	`sylvanaar`	`wow, what are you doing that you need something like that`
`10:11.48`	`Rophy`	`um`
`10:12.17`	`Rophy`	`arg[1] = string.format message, arg[2, 3, 4...] = tokens.`
`10:12.27`	`phyber`	`ckknight: I'm awake now :)`
`10:12.44`	`Rophy`	`I want to make some modifications to the tokens, then do a string.format(arg[1], arg[2], arg[3] ...)`
`10:13.13`	`Rophy`	`the old vararg works fine by removing arg[1], do the modifications, then call string.format(msg, unpack(arg) )`
`10:14.01`	`Rophy`	`hmm, so I don't really need to remove an element, I just need a way to modify the vararg values.`
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`10:17.05`	`sbu`	`'morning`
`10:17.27`	`Thratchen`	`good morning`
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`10:47.56`	`Mikma`	`heh go Tekkub`
`10:48.10`	`[Ammo]`	`Mikma reads drama on curse/`
`10:48.31`	`Tekkub`	`nandayo?`
`10:48.41`	`Tekkub`	`oh`
`10:48.42`	`Tekkub`	`yea`
`10:48.46`	`Mikma`	`FWIW, BigWigs with the embeds removed only pulls about 900K on load, with all modules included.`
`10:48.46`	`Tekkub`	`eyeroll`
`10:48.53`	`Mikma`	`sweet lord!`
`10:48.58`	`Tekkub`	`so what if your addon takes no memnory on load`
`10:49.00`	`Mikma`	`i was guessing 1400K`
`10:49.03`	`Tekkub`	`points at PT`
`10:49.06`	`Tekkub`	`it's easy to do`
`10:49.16`	`Tekkub`	`that's ammo's stat`
`10:49.16`	`[Ammo]`	`wait till I finish the LoD stuff`
`10:49.18`	`Mikma`	`and, LW is 1648k in that picture with all loaded`
`10:49.22`	`Tekkub`	`I didn't test it myself :)`
`10:49.37`	`[Ammo]`	`then BW will be nihil on load`
`10:49.39`	`Mikma`	`lw=lv etc`
`10:49.42`	`Tekkub`	`I guarentee you that the memory hog is Babble`
`10:49.46`	`[Ammo]`	`yeah`
`10:49.47`	`Tekkub`	`it's always Babble`
`10:49.55`	`Tekkub`	`Babble sucks`
`10:50.07`	`Tekkub`	`fucking people with their funny jibberish`
`10:50.11`	`[Ammo]`	`haha`
`10:50.17`	`[Ammo]`	`well we could make a BW-Babble`
`10:50.20`	`[Ammo]`	`that is a subset`
`10:50.21`	`[Ammo]`	`but shrug`
`10:50.28`	`Mikma`	`[Ammo]: how in the hell were you able to guess what i was doing? :)`
`10:50.29`	`[Ammo]`	`but that's beside the point`
`10:50.32`	`Tekkub`	`yea, I know, motivation`
`10:50.52`	`[Ammo]`	`Mikma: I'm psychic and I hate you`
`10:50.57`	`[Ammo]`	`hate always brings out the best in people`
`10:51.08`	`Tekkub`	`we all hate you`
`10:51.30`	`Mikma`	`good, then i don't have to act nice anymore. phew`
`10:51.38`	`Tekkub`	`you were acting nice?`
`10:51.43`	`Tekkub`	`shit`
`10:51.58`	`yacoob`	`where's drama on curse?`
`10:52.06`	`Mikma`	`yacoob: lavendetta comments`
`10:52.08`	`[Ammo]`	`no real drama :)`
`10:52.08`	`Tekkub`	`http://www.curse-gaming.com/en/wow/addons-4455-1-la-vendetta-boss-mods-naxxramas-ahnqiraj-blackwing-lair-molten-core-and-aq20zg.html`
`10:52.17`	`Tekkub`	`just me being a bitch`
`10:52.19`	`[Ammo]`	`yeah`
`10:52.22`	`Tekkub`	`calling him on his shit`
`10:52.43`	`yacoob`	`sigh that's not what true wowace dev would do! :)`
`10:52.49`	`yacoob`	`...now go harass Loz too :D`
`10:52.49`	`Tekkub`	`uhm...`
`10:52.54`	`[Ammo]`	`CandyBar is the most performance pulling stuff in BigWigs`
`10:52.54`	`Tekkub`	`meh?`
`10:53.11`	`Tekkub`	`and how bad is La's mirror timers?`
`10:53.11`	`[Ammo]`	`but the bars don't cause memory increase`
`10:53.17`	`[Ammo]`	`no idea`
`10:53.23`	`[Ammo]`	`like I said in my comment: I did not test LV`
`10:53.30`	`Tekkub`	`like I said, I wanna see tS numbers :)`
`10:53.34`	`Fritti`	`meh. I suck. uploaded a TBC version of AckBar to replace the 1.12 version, noticed it too late.`
`10:53.34`	`vhaarr`	`The C'Thun fight isn't very complicated, though, it's just a series of scripted, scheduled events at a fixed timer.`
`10:53.42`	`Fritti`	`anyone know who I should contact? Cairenn?`
`10:53.58`	`Tekkub`	`yes I know c'thun isn't compex`
`10:54.03`	`Tekkub`	`none of en are really`
`10:54.08`	`vhaarr`	`indeed`
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`10:54.13`	`Tekkub`	`it's just triggers, chat messages and timer bars...`
`10:54.26`	`[Ammo]`	`I could check LVs bar code`
`10:54.28`	`Greywind`	`anybody else getting major errors with Tabletlib in TBC?`
`10:54.30`	`[Ammo]`	`see if I find some holes :p`
`10:54.35`	`vhaarr`	`We do some magic in some mods, like Sapphiron.`
`10:54.49`	`Tekkub`	`I'll just wait to see how he chimes in on the loD thing :)`
`10:54.55`	`vhaarr`	`ye`
`10:55.29`	`Tekkub`	`bluh... what to do`
`10:55.35`	`Tekkub`	`still unmotivated`
`10:55.44`	`Tekkub`	`havn't touched UI in TBC yet ><`
`10:55.45`	`vhaarr`	`I guess fights like Chromaggus and Ossirian are complex, with the dynamic spell school alerts.`
`10:55.53`	`Tekkub`	`not even installed one mod`
`10:57.01`	`Tekkub`	`Fritti, can't you delete files?`
`10:57.30`	`Tekkub`	`erm.. I see, can't delete the current`
`10:57.31`	`Fritti`	`not the "current" version as far as I can see`
`10:57.41`	`Tekkub`	`so upload old one and then delete the bad one?`
`10:57.43`	`Fritti`	`I'll re-upload the older version and delete it then`
`10:57.45`	`Fritti`	`nod`
`10:57.50`	`Melisandre`	`i still don't get difference between point and relativepoint`
`10:58.11`	`Tekkub`	`everything is relative ^^`
`10:58.28`	`yacoob`	`so relativepoint is not only relative but also redundant!`
`10:58.31`	`[FH]Birdemani`	`here is a question: anyone think of how to handle 40 debuff slots come 2.0?`
`10:58.33`	`Melisandre`	`oh my`
`10:58.35`	`Melisandre`	`:)`
`10:58.39`	`yacoob`	`and, as you can see, 're-' is also being redundant ;D`
`10:59.22`	`Tekkub`	`debuffs... hrm...`
`10:59.28`	`Mikma`	`lative?`
`10:59.28`	`Tekkub`	`hide them?`
`11:00.00`	`[FH]Birdemani`	`well, was thinking - how do you check to see if you demo shout or somethign is still there`
`11:00.23`	`[FH]Birdemani`	`chrono only shows a timer when you hit the button, it doesnt show resists, esp if you have multiple mobs`
`11:01.20`	`Fritti`	`right. now to figure out how I upload the TBC version to the TBC category`
`11:01.55`	`Tekkub`	`where is cair anyway`
`11:02.07`	`Tekkub`	`she's supposed to be pingable 24/7`
`11:02.11`	`Tekkub`	`she's fucking fired`
`11:02.35`	`Mikma`	`hehe`
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`11:03.20`	`sbu`	`somebody fux0red AuldLangSyne tonite`
`11:03.42`	`sbu`	`(for 1.12 clients)`
`11:03.55`	`sbu`	`something with GetWhoInfo`
`11:04.08`	`sylvanaar`	`Greywind: no`
`11:04.59`	`Greywind`	`hmm doesnt seem to be just with tablet, also seems to be with dewdrop menues`
`11:05.17`	`Greywind`	`half of my fubar plugins are disabled when i log in`
`11:05.35`	`sylvanaar`	`Greywind: oh noes! what is the issue?`
`11:06.00`	`Greywind`	`not sure`
`11:06.06`	`Greywind`	`trying to diagnose now`
`11:06.07`	`sylvanaar`	`do you have an error`
`11:06.08`	`vhaarr`	`Greywind: It must be some other problem obscuring it.`
`11:06.13`	`Greywind`	`aye`
`11:06.38`	`Greywind`	`oh yeah i have a huge bugsack save variable with all kinds of errors >.<`
`11:06.49`	`sylvanaar`	`that blizzard feedback stuff seeems to disable display of error messages when you fist load`
`11:06.58`	`Greywind`	`yup`
`11:07.05`	`Elkano`	`you shouldn't have... buggrabber stores the bugs ;)`
`11:07.19`	`Tekkub`	`my gawd`
`11:07.22`	`Tekkub`	`I just realized`
`11:07.29`	`Tekkub`	`I'm becoming Silent Bob`
`11:07.29`	`vhaarr`	`The Blizzard feedback stuff doesn't consider their own SV limitation of ~980 chars, I think.`
`11:07.38`	`Mikma`	`Tekkub: oh noes!`
`11:07.46`	`Fritti`	`Tekkub: isn't Silent Bob hot then?`
`11:07.47`	`Mikma`	`Tekkub: now you neer jay`
`11:07.49`	`Tekkub`	`wheee!`
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`11:08.01`	`Mikma`	`need* i can tpye`
`11:08.05`	`Tekkub`	`oh, I'd fuck Bob`
`11:08.11`	`Tekkub`	`you know what's sad`
`11:08.28`	`Mikma`	`you would propably fuck jay too?`
`11:08.57`	`Tekkub`	`my ex-quasi-bf ranted and raved about Kevin Smith's movies and how great he was (which is true)... and he alway blabbed about how he so wants to fuck Jay`
`11:09.10`	`Tekkub`	`and then one day he realized why I liked Bob so much`
`11:09.16`	`Tekkub`	`and the bitch got all mad`
`11:09.23`	`Greywind`	`lol`
`11:09.32`	`Melisandre`	`ex-quasi-bf? italian?`
`11:09.32`	`Tekkub`	`cause he thought I was like, defiling the movies or some shit`
`11:09.53`	`Tekkub`	`no, Oklahomo`
`11:09.59`	`Melisandre`	`!`
`11:10.07`	`sbu`	`brb reboot`
`11:10.13`	`snurre`	`man, vista is eyecandy2k`
`11:10.31`	`Melisandre`	`is it true MS new mp3 player is not supported by..... Vista?`
`11:10.37`	`Tekkub`	`hooray they left`
`11:10.38`	`Greywind`	`yup :P`
`11:10.38`	`Tekkub`	`god`
`11:10.42`	`Melisandre`	`oh my GOD!`
`11:10.54`	`Tekkub`	`the goat fucker still hasn't figured it out`
`11:11.00`	`Tekkub`	`he's fucking dense`
`11:11.23`	`Tekkub`	`I heard Zune wasn't supported in the latest MCE`
`11:11.29`	`Tekkub`	`without some patch at least`
`11:11.39`	`Tekkub`	`shrug`
`11:11.49`	`Melisandre`	`yeah`
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`11:12.01`	`Melisandre`	`i am using a mac anyway`
`11:12.03`	`Tekkub`	`I'd never buy one unless they got a 80GB, added random by album, and added a phone list thingie`
`11:12.11`	`Melisandre`	`i am not using windows for 1 year now`
`11:12.19`	`*** kick/#wowace [Melisandre!n=Tekkub@adsl-70-250-24-54.dsl.fyvlar.swbell.net] by Tekkub (fucking hippies)`
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`11:12.26`	`Greywind`	`rofl`
`11:12.32`	`Melisandre`	`!!!!`
`11:12.41`	`Melisandre`	`abuseeeeeeeee of poweeeeeer!!!!`
`11:12.43`	`Melisandre`	`pfff`
`11:12.48`	`Melisandre`	`and im MS certified :)`
`11:12.52`	`Tekkub`	`on that note, yea I'll probably end up with a 80GB iPod when I get motivated`
`11:13.03`	`Greywind`	`motivation 4tl`
`11:13.05`	`*** mode/#wowace [-v Melisandre] by Tekkub`
`11:13.36`	`Mikma`	`voice`
`11:13.45`	`Melisandre`	`voice`
`11:13.48`	`Mikma`	`now, it the bastards put /mode * +m , we can't talk`
`11:13.55`	`Melisandre`	`gives you the chance to speach when channel is +m`
`11:14.58`	`Greywind`	`<PROTECTED>`
`11:15.12`	`Melisandre`	`but I love my Mac :(`
`11:15.18`	`Melisandre`	`and im not hippie!`
`11:15.29`	`Mikma`	`you fruitfucker!`
`11:15.30`	`Greywind`	`I switched to a Mac...then I switched back :(`
`11:15.32`	`Melisandre`	`lol`
`11:15.45`	`Greywind`	`I miss mine now`
`11:15.45`	`Mikma`	`macs are for weak`
`11:15.56`	`Melisandre`	`:)`
`11:16.09`	`Melisandre`	`tbh i realized.... i work using *nix`
`11:16.18`	`Melisandre`	`at home i open mail, browser and wow`
`11:16.21`	`Melisandre`	`wtf... i need a mac :)`
`11:16.25`	`Mikma`	`Darwin Mikmas-Computer.local 7.9.0 Darwin Kernel Version 7.9.0: Wed Mar 30 20:11:17 PST 2005; root:xnu/xnu-517.12.7.obj~1/RELEASE_PPC Power Macintosh powerpc`
`11:16.42`	`Melisandre`	`and i like gaysh things`
`11:16.50`	`Melisandre`	`yeah i bought a mac for icons and cool gaysh things!`
`11:16.53`	`Mikma`	`who doesn't`
`11:17.30`	`Tekkub`	`only thing truely keeping me in windows is WoW`
`11:17.30`	`Mikma`	`the F9 and F11 are gayish`
`11:17.30`	`Melisandre`	`yo ucan play wow with a mac`
`11:17.30`	`Tekkub`	`only thing truely keeping me in windows is WoW`
`11:17.36`	`Greywind`	`wow runs fine for me under linux also :P`
`11:17.41`	`Melisandre`	`yeah`
`11:17.51`	`Tekkub`	`linux wow made me /emo`
`11:17.53`	`Fritti`	`but make sure that you don't get banned :)`
`11:18.05`	`Tekkub`	`too uch fiddling to try to get it to maybe work`
`11:18.07`	`Greywind`	`yeah i saw /.`
`11:18.16`	`Melisandre`	`yeah`
`11:18.26`	`Melisandre`	`a colleague of mine was telling me linux users may be banned`
`11:18.29`	`Melisandre`	`how come?`
`11:18.39`	`Greywind`	`we dont know yet`
`11:18.56`	`Melisandre`	`it's kinda odd`
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`11:19.01`	`*** mode/#wowace [+o ckknight_] by ChanServ`
`11:19.07`	`Mikma`	`Melisandre: try this: Control-Option-Command-8`
`11:19.10`	`Greywind`	`maybe an upgrade to Warden doesnt like Wine :P`
`11:19.29`	`Greywind`	`gah these errors arent making any sense`
`11:19.34`	`Melisandre`	`why am i scared ?: )`
`11:19.40`	`Mikma`	`because you're noob`
`11:19.42`	`JameyC`	`there were some blue posts a while back that they didn't care if users ran linux, but that's been a while`
`11:19.43`	`Melisandre`	`COOL!!!`
`11:20.01`	`Mikma`	`Melisandre: it's a simple trick on how to save batterypower :)`
`11:20.14`	`Mikma`	`"I managed to get extra 30 to 40 minutes from my current battery"`
`11:20.17`	`Melisandre`	`I love you mik!`
`11:20.37`	`Mikma`	`okay!`
`11:20.42`	`Tekkub`	`option? command?`
`11:21.01`	`Tekkub`	`you aren't gonna start spouting flower too?`
`11:21.09`	`Tekkub`	`or worse openapple and closedapple`
`11:21.45`	`Melisandre`	`ahhaahahaah`
`11:21.45`	`Mikma`	`Tekkub: sorry, but that's what the buttons are called on real computers :D`
`11:22.23`	`Melisandre`	`is there any good replacement for mac to substitute terminal window?`
`11:22.28`	`Tekkub`	`I love when minorities think their way is the only correct way`
`11:22.34`	`Tekkub`	`like those stupid Christians`
`11:22.35`	`Melisandre`	`pfff`
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`11:22.48`	`Melisandre`	`we are not saying it's the right way :)`
`11:22.56`	`Melisandre`	`it is A way... it's not THE way :)`
`11:23.13`	`Mikma`	`Melisandre: no, macs terminal has all you need :D`
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`11:23.29`	`Mikma`	`ssh + bash <3`
`11:23.52`	`JameyC`	`ssh + korn <3 <3 <3`
`11:23.53`	`Melisandre`	`:)`
`11:24.06`	`Melisandre`	`ok have to go ffs`
`11:24.12`	`Melisandre`	`have a nice day, see you later guys :)`
`11:24.23`	`Melisandre`	`iterm is nice`
`11:24.28`	`Melisandre`	`try it`
`11:24.41`	`Melisandre`	`downloadable on sourceforge`
`11:24.45`	`Mikma`	`no, go!`
`11:24.50`	`Melisandre`	`:)`
`11:25.11`	`Melisandre`	`hum kick incoming i think :) byw guys.... :)`
`11:25.12`	`Mikma`	`apple in a day keeps tekkub away`
`11:25.13`	`Tekkub`	`I don't like fruit`
`11:25.16`	`Melisandre`	`lol`
`11:25.17`	`Tekkub`	`or fruits`
`11:25.19`	`Greywind`	`lol`
`11:25.24`	`Tekkub`	`or hippies`
`11:25.30`	`Tekkub`	`hippies piss me off`
`11:25.47`	`Greywind`	`im not a hippy but i love to hug trees, they need love too you know`
`11:25.50`	`Greywind`	`:P`
`11:25.51`	`Tekkub`	`now get me a 80GB iPod since they're the only ones that can get random by apbum right`
`11:26.04`	`Tekkub`	`album even`
`11:26.09`	`Shyva`	`hippies are cool tek! :-D`
`11:26.16`	`Greywind`	`but smelly`
`11:26.25`	`Shyva`	`Hehehe`
`11:26.29`	`Tekkub`	`meh, I'm smelly out of laziness`
`11:26.36`	`Tekkub`	`well, that and I like bear musk`
`11:27.02`	`JameyC`	`might wanna check out visor for mac... like a quake terminal, slides down on a hotkey. like yakuake on lin`
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`11:34.37`	`sbu`	`WTB working PTR char copy :/`
`11:35.02`	`JameyC`	`i use tilda... mostly like yakuake without the bloat, only complaint is no tabs... so i use screen in it`
`11:35.24`	`yacoob`	`hm? yakuake has tabs...`
`11:35.25`	`JameyC`	`and plays nice with fluxbox`
`11:35.31`	`yacoob`	`or am I mistaking projects...?`
`11:35.43`	`JameyC`	`yeah it does, tilda doesn't have tabs is what I meant`
`11:35.43`	`yacoob`	`no, I'm not. It has tabs.`
`11:36.41`	`JameyC`	`http://tilda.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/Screenshots`
`11:38.21`	`abbat_w`	`http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/5561/endgamehf5.jpg`
`11:38.23`	`abbat_w`	`=)`
`11:38.24`	`Tekkub`	`heh... yea... AR school system at it's finest...`
`11:38.57`	`Tekkub`	`on my desk, a sticky: "Clay Treat TS \n 1gal per 1000gal \n 1%"`
`11:39.16`	`sbu`	`abbat_w: lol`
`11:40.04`	`Tekkub`	`I should change it to say 1‰`
`11:40.23`	`Tekkub`	`that'll blow their minds`
`11:42.04`	`Tekkub`	`giggle http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2006/11/14/spermallergy_hea.html?category=health`
`11:42.10`	`Tekkub`	`kindo NSFW`
`11:42.15`	`Tekkub`	`*kinda`
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`11:43.36`	`JameyC`	`"...after experiencing difficulty breathing" -- are they sure that's an allergic thing?`
`11:44.22`	`Tekkub`	`"In both cases, frequent sexual contact is needed after the treatment.`
`11:44.22`	`Tekkub`	`"We actually had one case where the male spouse was unable to engage in such frequent intercourse, so his wife developed the allergy again," said Resnick. "`
`11:44.47`	`Fritti`	`Tekkub: is there a way to remove the trac link from the 'Bugtracker' link on the wiki?`
`11:45.09`	`Tekkub`	`sigh`
`11:45.11`	`Tekkub`	`yes`
`11:45.28`	`Tekkub`	`personally I'm sick of all the tracker shit`
`11:45.39`	`Tekkub`	`I'm just using gcode for mine, end of story`
`11:45.44`	`Mikma`	`Tekkub: well, lots of condoms and ass-sex = no allergy`
`11:45.52`	`Tekkub`	`condoms?`
`11:46.01`	`Tekkub`	`there's alergies there too :P`
`11:46.20`	`Fritti`	`Tekkub: I like the X-WoWIPortal thingy, and I'm fine with bugs there`
`11:46.28`	`Mikma`	`yeah, my wife's friend has rubber-allergy. owned.`
`11:46.29`	`yacoob`	`you can be allergic to virtually anything`
`11:46.45`	`yacoob`	`Mikma, no rubbing for her?`
`11:46.54`	`Tekkub`	`lambskin`
`11:47.25`	`JameyC`	`ex-wife had a latex alergy, was amusing... had to air the house out after painting and such if we used latex paint`
`11:47.27`	`Mikma`	`yacoob: no latexclothes`
`11:47.37`	`Tekkub`	`"Neanderthal Genome Being Mapped" <-- I read Gnome ><`
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`11:48.23`	`Laric`	`is there any good way of hididing my own SendChatMessage in a way that wont taint a wow 2.x?`
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`11:49.16`	`Laric`	`s/hididing/hiding/`
`11:50.04`	`Tekkub`	`that's gonna be fixed`
`11:51.35`	`Laric`	`so what is a good way of hiding it then tekkub?`
`11:51.57`	`Tekkub`	`wait for the fix and then keep doing what you're doing`
`11:56.28`	`JameyC`	`anywhere i can get aceAdlibber? wiki links are dead and it's not in the svn or mod sites`
`12:01.21`	`yacoob`	`lambskins aren't that reliable`
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`12:01.31`	`yacoob`	`or so I've heard`
`12:03.43`	`Tekkub`	`yea but for some people they're the only option`
`12:03.55`	`Tekkub`	`lesson here: don't reproduce ^^`
`12:04.28`	`JameyC`	`there's one or two other synthetics other than lambskins but they were expensive as hell last i looked`
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`12:07.33`	`yacoob`	`good old rubber.`
`12:08.18`	`yacoob`	`Tekkub, "don't reproduce" is good hint for most of folks :D`
`12:08.21`	`Mikma`	`http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latex_clothing`
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`12:14.14`	`sylvanaar`	`no botspam`
`12:23.53`	`sylvanaar`	`thats wierd`
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`12:44.06`	`Mikma`	`http://mrcash.daug.net/bank.jpg`
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`12:52.58`	`andremar`	`now thats one insane collection of potions`
`12:54.13`	`snurre`	`gbanks are like that`
`13:01.03`	`snurre`	`http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/2328/wintabbingkd8.jpg man, i love vista :p`
`13:01.39`	`haste`	`how is it performance vise?`
`13:01.50`	`haste`	`I almost stabbed myself when I was working on the Windows computer here`
`13:01.54`	`yacoob`	`more eyecandy`
`13:02.02`	`haste`	`"Hey, let's open my computer!" waits 30sec`
`13:02.08`	`yacoob`	`is that windows switching or desktops?`
`13:02.24`	`yacoob`	`hehe, if it's windows... then it's done very MS-style`
`13:02.39`	`snurre`	`that's switching windows`
`13:02.46`	`snurre`	`windowskey+tab instead of alt+tab`
`13:02.48`	`sbu`	`snurre??`
`13:02.52`	`sbu`	`fake-pic? :p`
`13:02.53`	`yacoob`	`last thing being desktop, what a lovely contradiction of 'what is a window'`
`13:02.59`	`sbu`	`or wow-window mode?`
`13:03.04`	`yacoob`	`but, that's MS`
`13:03.19`	`snurre`	`sbu: im running wow as windowed maximized`
`13:03.24`	`sbu`	`ah ok`
`13:03.35`	`snurre`	`it's surprisingly smooth performance wise`
`13:03.55`	`snurre`	`i must say.. everything has fancy effects and stuff, but it doesnt drain nearly as much resources as xp from what i can tell`
`13:04.02`	`yacoob`	`MS is horrible at interface design`
`13:04.11`	`yacoob`	`take start button for example, from classical interface :D`
`13:05.48`	`snurre`	`unless i stumble across some major bugs, i really doubt ill go back to xp, ever :p`
`13:07.22`	`haste`	`haha`
`13:07.25`	`yacoob`	`well, it's your box, it's your choice ;)`
`13:07.33`	`haste`	`tried creating a character on the PTR with a TBC client?`
`13:07.43`	`haste`	`I have my axe in the cloak slot`
`13:07.46`	`haste`	`hearthstone in trinket`
`13:07.55`	`haste`	`and my char is dead, and just slides on the ground`
`13:08.04`	`haste`	`trying to do something gives the error: you are mounted`
`13:08.26`	`snurre`	`http://forums.wowglider.com/viewforum.16 <-- so funny`
`13:10.21`	`yacoob`	`haste, that's WoW 2.0!`
`13:10.39`	`yacoob`	`(not as good as Web 2.0, but still, not enough to stand up to all the talking :)`
`13:10.53`	`haste`	`yacoob: huh?`
`13:11.09`	`haste`	`WoW TBC = 2.0.2, while the PTR is 2.0.1`
`13:11.10`	`haste`	`afaik`
`13:11.20`	`yacoob`	`haste, what I mean is, they allowed too much folks to handle it.`
`13:11.24`	`yacoob`	`usual stuff with blizz.`
`13:11.38`	`Laric`	`will this work in next wow 2.x patch (atm it will taint i think) http://ace.pastey.net/2495`
`13:12.36`	`andremar`	`snurre: yeah, I know, its freakin hilarious how the ppl get angry for beeing punished as cheaters`
`13:12.49`	`snurre`	`:p`
`13:13.26`	`snurre`	`on the 39th page in a "post here if you've been banned the last two days" thread, they still reply stuff like "Ya I agree, I think Glider has been detected somehow"`
`13:13.28`	`snurre`	`YA THINK? :p`
`13:13.43`	`andremar`	`hihi`
`13:13.57`	`andremar`	`I know its been detected, it messed up Cedega playing real good`
`13:14.04`	`andremar`	`but transgaming got a new release out`
`13:14.05`	`haste`	`http://www.beverpung.net/images/games/wow/Testur/WoWScrnShot_111606_140801.png :D`
`13:14.40`	`haste`	`oh, I have the latest`
`13:16.54`	`haste`	`Laric: that will taint it afaik`
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`13:17.13`	`JameyC`	`huh... i'm using the latest cedega, hope it's not an issue for me >.<`
`13:18.38`	`haste`	`JameyC: if you get banned, you can get your account back :)`
`13:18.54`	`haste`	`JameyC: http://transgaming.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=41146#41146`
`13:18.58`	`andremar`	`it wasnt banning users`
`13:19.02`	`andremar`	`it was just crashing wow`
`13:19.05`	`andremar`	`for some of us atleast`
`13:19.05`	`JameyC`	`yeah i see that skimming the cedega page :)`
`13:19.37`	`haste`	`andremar: it was crashing WoW also`
`13:19.40`	`JameyC`	`that's a bit of a relief, got nervous for a min lol`
`13:19.52`	`haste`	`andremar: but that was because it was trying to access a non-implented API`
`13:20.00`	`andremar`	`mhm`
`13:20.04`	`haste`	`andremar: which wine however had implented, so you could play with it :)`
`13:20.08`	`andremar`	`aha`
`13:20.13`	`andremar`	`never tried wine with wow much`
`13:20.16`	`andremar`	`does it perform well?`
`13:20.24`	`haste`	`pretty much the same as Cedega`
`13:21.08`	`JameyC`	`i never got as good performance myself`
`13:21.08`	`haste`	`on my nVidia card that is`
`13:21.08`	`andremar`	`k`
`13:21.09`	`andremar`	`perhaps I should try it`
`13:21.09`	`JameyC`	`got maybe 1/5'th less fps`
`13:21.36`	`andremar`	`I get pretty crappy fps in cedega`
`13:21.36`	`andremar`	`around 20-30`
`13:21.49`	`JameyC`	`i get maybe 50'ish, slightly better than in windows`
`13:22.11`	`abbat_w`	`oh shit ;((((`
`13:22.13`	`abbat_w`	`damn`
`13:22.41`	`JoshBorke`	`morning`
`13:22.49`	`Laric`	`haste do you have an idea on how to hide outgoing whispers without tainting?`
`13:22.55`	`abbat_w`	`i got link in icq`
`13:22.56`	`andremar`	`JameyC: what resolution? I lost alot of fps going up to 1900x1280`
`13:23.10`	`abbat_w`	`click on it, picture load and i was ....`
`13:23.11`	`haste`	`Laric: I think you will have to wait for the next patch`
`13:23.16`	`abbat_w`	`crap`
`13:23.32`	`JameyC`	`only 1280x1024, virtual desktop`
`13:23.32`	`abbat_w`	`Anyone want to see mind-confused picture?`
`13:23.46`	`haste`	`Laric: I think AceComm has a solution for it tho'`
`13:23.52`	`haste`	`Laric: a pretty large hack afaik :p`
`13:24.01`	`andremar`	`JameyC: opengl or dx?`
`13:24.38`	`JameyC`	`opengl... oddly i used to get better performance in directx, dunno what changed. Either way, settings basically maxed for quality and stuff`
`13:24.55`	`andremar`	`mhm`
`13:25.02`	`haste`	`I get ~50 fps when running 1680x1050 with Cedega`
`13:25.07`	`andremar`	`k`
`13:25.07`	`haste`	`opengl`
`13:25.15`	`andremar`	`wonder why mine is so crap`
`13:25.27`	`andremar`	`what gfx-cards you have?`
`13:25.40`	`JameyC`	`geforce 7600 pci-e, 256 meg`
`13:26.03`	`JameyC`	`er... 512 meg, excuse me`
`13:26.50`	`haste`	`nVidia GeForce 7900 GT`
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`13:27.35`	`Laric`	`haste thanks though... this is an addon going into live right now.. but trying to code it to be 2.0 compliant.. guess I will have to check how to do it when next patch comes out..`
`13:27.41`	`abbat_w`	`are wow engine uses all features of nVidia geforce 7900-like video cards?`
`13:28.05`	`haste`	`I don't even think my drivers support all features`
`13:28.14`	`haste`	`andremar: what drivers are you running btw?`
`13:28.56`	`abbat_w`	`I have 6600gt and it is no differce if i turn on all features in wow or turn off`
`13:29.08`	`abbat_w`	`always got ~ 40 fps at bg`
`13:29.22`	`abbat_w`	`and ~ 80 fps at herb farm or something like`
`13:29.48`	`abbat_w`	`1280 x 1024, 1gb ram`
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`13:30.13`	`pointo`	`hey guys :)`
`13:30.16`	`abbat_w`	`And i read (maybe this information is wrond) what BC uses same graphic engline as WoW`
`13:30.28`	`abbat_w`	`And don't use most of gfx features`
`13:31.34`	`JameyC`	`there was a good wow benchmark on anandtech about a year ago, found gfx preformance started to plateau a bit around the the 6xxx series cards or so.`
`13:32.02`	`abbat_w`	`I have some fps problems on AoE`
`13:32.19`	`andremar`	`haste: the latest in ubuntu Edgy`
`13:32.22`	`andremar`	`i.e. not the latest`
`13:32.23`	`abbat_w`	`If you remember MC, imps after bridge`
`13:32.25`	`andremar`	`I tried the latest`
`13:32.43`	`abbat_w`	`while i do aoe i have ~ 10 fps ;)`
`13:32.44`	`haste`	`andremar: doesn't tell me much`
`13:32.58`	`JameyC`	`i'm running edgy with the packaged nvidia drivers myself`
`13:33.11`	`andremar`	`haste: I know`
`13:33.13`	`haste`	`andremar: latest are 1.0.9742`
`13:33.16`	`andremar`	`but at work atm, so cant check :p`
`13:33.26`	`abbat_w`	`haste, how may fps you have in Naxx?`
`13:33.34`	`andremar`	`I have a 7800 GT with 256mb`
`13:33.38`	`JameyC`	`my apt says: Version: 1.0.8774+2.6.17.5-11`
`13:33.46`	`abbat_w`	`I have ~ 20-25 fps with my 6600gt`
`13:33.51`	`haste`	`not sure in naxx`
`13:33.56`	`andremar`	`yeah, same as I have JameyC`
`13:34.49`	`JameyC`	`i used to compile them for each new version but got lazy lately`
`13:35.05`	`Saroz`	`SVN is down?`
`13:35.17`	`andremar`	`I dont want the hassle`
`13:35.24`	`andremar`	`then I'll rather live with the problems :p`
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`13:36.29`	`JameyC`	`apt kernel upgrades are easier this way at least. used to have a script to do it but even that seems like too much of a hassle`
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`13:36.43`	`pointo`	`hmm does someone know if any ace addon needs to be translated to german? ^^`
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`13:36.56`	`Saroz`	`sRaidFrames`
`13:36.57`	`Saroz`	`I think`
`13:36.57`	`Saroz`	`go go`
`13:37.30`	`mjc`	`anyone on US horde recruiting druids? :P`
`13:38.00`	`mjc`	`I have gear for feral & resto but I'd rather not heal. haha`
`13:38.11`	`Saroz`	`lol?`
`13:39.10`	`JameyC`	`oh here's a question better suited for a wine channel, but isn't there someway to set a hotkey to break dxgrab?`
`13:39.41`	`mjc`	`JameyC: http://lists.transgaming.org/pipermail/winex-devel/2005-May/000522.html`
`13:40.08`	`Saroz`	`where is teh SVN :(`
`13:40.10`	`mjc`	`http://lists.transgaming.org/pipermail/winex-devel/2005-May/000510.html rather.`
`13:40.11`	`mjc`	`sorry`
`13:40.23`	`mjc`	`blah, freakin threads.`
`13:40.26`	`mjc`	`it's in there somewhere`
`13:40.54`	`JameyC`	`lol k, thanks, i'll poke around it. I remember being able to do it in the past, but havn't done it for a while, could be handy lately`
`13:41.25`	`mjc`	`k, I'm off.`
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`13:50.07`	`andremar`	`we should have a wow-linux channel somewhere :p`
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`14:11.03`	`Xuerian`	`Get your account back, mjc?`
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`14:21.23`	`Melisandre`	`hi`
`14:22.54`	`zoktar`	`anyone know a way to bind the chat tabs in wow?`
`14:22.59`	`Melisandre`	`any aguf uber expert?`
`14:23.55`	`zoktar`	`<- not uber, but try me :)`
`14:24.25`	`Melisandre`	`ok... i was looking whether ther's a way to have more than 10 icons buffs/debuffs for each line`
`14:24.53`	`Melisandre`	`and, eventually, where to look at to do it :)`
`14:25.09`	`Melisandre`	`I don't like how auras are managed in aguf :(`
`14:25.19`	`zoktar`	`far as i know theres no option for that ud have to open yer .lua files`
`14:26.32`	`Melisandre`	`exactly`
`14:26.44`	`Melisandre`	`but which lua?`
`14:28.17`	`zoktar`	`i suggest getting notepad++ before u start`
`14:28.35`	`zoktar`	`ull find it at www.sf.net`
`14:29.07`	`Melisandre`	`er`
`14:29.17`	`Melisandre`	`I have a..... (low voice) mac`
`14:29.27`	`zoktar`	`hmm`
`14:29.52`	`Melisandre`	`:))))`
`14:30.28`	`Melisandre`	`but i have a text editor for developers :)`
`14:30.29`	`zoktar`	`well theres tons of "code" editing progs`
`14:30.36`	`zoktar`	`ye any one of those will work`
`14:30.57`	`zoktar`	`id accually like to change something with the auras 2`
`14:30.59`	`andremar`	`TextMate is quite sweet`
`14:31.07`	`zoktar`	`like how they stack the "wrong" way`
`14:31.20`	`zoktar`	`when first line is full it moves to top for example`
`14:31.25`	`Melisandre`	`yeah`
`14:31.26`	`usz`	`ow noes who let Melisandre in here?`
`14:31.32`	`Melisandre`	`usz shut up!`
`14:31.48`	`usz`	`he is our first /g /ra spammer in guild`
`14:31.55`	`zoktar`	`that works fine if ur showing auras on bottom`
`14:32.00`	`zoktar`	`not on top tho :)`
`14:32.02`	`Melisandre`	`don't ruin my reputation ffs ....`
`14:32.07`	`Melisandre`	`no zok`
`14:32.11`	`Melisandre`	`problema is number`
`14:32.17`	`Melisandre`	`i am show auras on bottom in two lines`
`14:32.22`	`Melisandre`	`the limit is still 10`
`14:32.34`	`Melisandre`	`problem is i want to show the whole buff of a party member`
`14:32.59`	`Melisandre`	`it's a 10 x 2`
`14:33.08`	`zoktar`	`w8 a sek`
`14:33.18`	`zoktar`	`isnt there a builtin limit of that in wow?`
`14:33.31`	`Melisandre`	`discord unit frame has no limit`
`14:33.39`	`Melisandre`	`but yeah.. it's not an easy thing to do`
`14:33.43`	`zoktar`	`it can show 100debuffs on a target for example?`
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`14:33.58`	`Melisandre`	`i don't know`
`14:34.08`	`Melisandre`	`but i have no problem with discord about buffs`
`14:34.08`	`Tekkub`	`good fucking god`
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`14:34.15`	`Melisandre`	`oh noes... apple hater`
`14:34.38`	`Tekkub`	`try to fix a mod that was complete months ago before people fucked with the code and everyone thinks it's open for all sorts of shitty new features`
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`14:34.55`	`usz`	`JoshBorke, ping`
`14:35.16`	`Melisandre`	`zoktar: here, http://code.google.com/p/agunitframes/issues/detail?id=3&can=2&q=`
`14:36.31`	`[Ammo]`	`Tekkub: which mod`
`14:36.38`	`Tekkub`	`Squeenix`
`14:36.53`	`Tekkub`	`"Oh I want coords!" "Tell me who pinged!"`
`14:37.02`	`[Ammo]`	`hehe`
`14:37.18`	`Tekkub`	`god, it was supposed to be a square map, nothing more`
`14:37.21`	`[Ammo]`	`yeah`
`14:37.40`	`Tekkub`	`it used to be like 20 lines of code`
`14:37.40`	`[Ammo]`	`well the lock/unlock is useful`
`14:37.50`	`[Ammo]`	`but I guess it should be modular`
`14:37.52`	`Tekkub`	`I'm fine with the lock`
`14:37.57`	`Tekkub`	`it is now`
`14:38.00`	`[Ammo]`	`I only use square, lock unlock`
`14:38.03`	`[Ammo]`	`or rather rounded`
`14:38.05`	`Tekkub`	`that's why they think I'm adding shit`
`14:38.09`	`[Ammo]`	`hehe`
`14:38.43`	`Xuerian`	`I was fine with it when I added a few lines of code way back when, just to get a smoothed black border`
`14:39.00`	`Tekkub`	`yea`
`14:39.13`	`zoktar`	`Melisandre im guessin will have to wait for that then, but order of stacking shouldnt be to hard to change`
`14:39.24`	`Tekkub`	`but then they added alpha and scale and blah blah blah abnd REMOVED the compass`
`14:39.36`	`Tekkub`	`not make it toggleable, removed it :P`
`14:39.40`	`Melisandre`	`mhhh`
`14:40.01`	`Xuerian`	`Sounds like what happened to oskin :P`
`14:40.05`	`Xuerian`	`Feeling a Haste coming on?`
`14:40.08`	`Tekkub`	`one more feature request and I'm locking tha thread :P`
`14:40.35`	`Tovort`	`there is a "patch" at http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=2839.0 which you might want to check`
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`14:53.54`	`zoktar`	`any simple +diff applyers for windows? =)`
`14:54.01`	`Melisandre`	`have to go`
`14:54.04`	`Melisandre`	`bye guys :)))`
`14:54.22`	`phyber`	`I got another beta key in my mail :)`
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`14:59.58`	`andremar`	`phyber: a spare one? \o\`
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`15:00.30`	`andremar`	`:p`
`15:00.42`	`JoshBorke`	`usz: morning`
`15:00.50`	`JoshBorke`	`usz: for MD5Lib, there's only one change that needs to be mad`
`15:00.53`	`usz`	`JB, good morning, you called me last night?`
`15:00.53`	`JoshBorke`	`s/mad/made/`
`15:01.06`	`JoshBorke`	`for TBC that is`
`15:01.09`	`usz`	`some pairs missing?`
`15:01.15`	`JoshBorke`	`no, ... parsing`
`15:01.17`	`usz`	`or was it varargs?`
`15:01.26`	`JoshBorke`	`varargs`
`15:01.44`	`Greywind`	`woah crazy ass item in the AH`
`15:01.53`	`Greywind`	`ill post a screeny`
`15:01.58`	`usz`	`well well, i need to branch it or use loadstring to handle that syntax as it doesnt work with older lua`
`15:02.23`	`usz`	`do you use TEALib too or only MD5Lib?`
`15:02.33`	`JoshBorke`	`TEALib too, but it didn't give me any errors`
`15:02.44`	`JoshBorke`	`when logging in i should say`
`15:02.47`	`JoshBorke`	`i don't actively use either yet`
`15:02.57`	`usz`	`well, there are asserts at the bottom of lib`
`15:03.03`	`JoshBorke`	`hm`
`15:03.08`	`JoshBorke`	`i probably commented those out`
`15:03.09`	`usz`	`so it should pop error if it aint working :D`
`15:04.25`	`Greywind`	`http://img93.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wowscrnshot111606095956so8.jpg look at that :0`
`15:04.54`	`Greywind`	`thats in TBC, on the US pve server, Alliance now`
`15:05.04`	`JoshBorke`	`wow`
`15:05.18`	`JoshBorke`	`why is it only lvl one req?`
`15:05.27`	`Greywind`	`test item maybe?`
`15:05.46`	`JoshBorke`	`+21 Spell Critical Strike Rating = 39.00%? O.O`
`15:06.00`	`Greywind`	`at level 10 :P`
`15:06.11`	`Greywind`	`that was taken on my little alt`
`15:06.16`	`JoshBorke`	`ah, ok`
`15:06.19`	`JoshBorke`	`lol`
`15:06.31`	`Greywind`	`the addon that grabs the info translates the crit % by lvl`
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`15:08.12`	`usz`	`JoshBorke, well gonna look on how to branch TBC properly and will add updated version today hopefully`
`15:08.34`	`JoshBorke`	`usz: cool, just wanted to let you know :-)`
`15:08.47`	`usz`	`unless barnching is so simple you can tell me in few words here how to do it properly`
`15:09.14`	`JoshBorke`	`erm, not exactly sure myself. what svn client do you use?`
`15:09.45`	`usz`	`the T... SVN windows one ^^`
`15:09.55`	`Xuerian`	`Tortise?`
`15:10.11`	`usz`	`well yea, never really looked at name`
`15:10.36`	`JoshBorke`	`it's pretty easy in that one. you just have to create the directory on the server then use the branch option to place it in the right place`
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`15:12.01`	`usz`	`zzz my windows shell bugged and right click causes it to freeze, will reboot later and branch it properly, but first will add proper config menu to PrivateChat addon`
`15:14.54`	`Tovort`	`@zoktarany simple +diff applyers for windows? : http://gnuwin32.sourceforge.net/packages/patch.htm`
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`15:31.30`	`Amadeo`	`Anyone have a Warlock on TBC?`
`15:31.52`	`Fudge`	`Man.. what's up with these rampant bans from Blizzard? :o`
`15:32.15`	`Amadeo`	`whatcha mean?`
`15:32.32`	`[Ammo]`	`I have a warlock on TBC why?`
`15:33.25`	`Amadeo`	`[Ammo]: If you Enslave a Sister of Grief, they have an ability that drains 5000 health over 5 seconds from an enemy...only weird thing is, the only people you can use it on are your own faction...which pretty much kills them in seconds... I don't know if you can get in trouble for doing this though, so beware :P`
`15:33.58`	`Industrial`	`:-O`
`15:34.04`	`Industrial`	`jesus lol :p`
`15:34.52`	`Amadeo`	`I'm just saying I wouldn't do it unless you're willing to risk losing beta access, lol`
`15:34.58`	`[Ammo]`	`hmm fun`
`15:35.00`	`Amadeo`	`since I have no idea what Blizzard does with stuff like that`
`15:35.16`	`chuckg`	`I was trying out on of those the other day Amadeo and found out the hard way ..`
`15:35.22`	`chuckg`	`Soon as they break they drain you.`
`15:35.38`	`Amadeo`	`I didn't have that happen, but I learned how to do it by draining myself :P`
`15:35.46`	`nevcairiel`	`lol`
`15:35.55`	`chuckg`	`I cleared out thrallmar.`
`15:35.56`	`chuckg`	`:)`
`15:36.01`	`chuckg`	`Not banned yet.`
`15:36.06`	`Amadeo`	`ROFL`
`15:36.21`	`chuckg`	`Never thought to try the npcs.`
`15:36.28`	`chuckg`	`Wonder if I could bind in Org and have her kill Thrall.`
`15:37.45`	`Amadeo`	`I didn't try NPCs either`
`15:37.55`	`Amadeo`	`Thrall is in um...`
`15:38.05`	`Amadeo`	`Nagarand now`
`15:38.08`	`Amadeo`	`maybe he's in Org too...`
`15:38.09`	`Amadeo`	`lol`
`15:38.20`	`chuckg`	`Can't remove him from Org, or rend's head quest won't work.`
`15:40.23`	`yacoob`	`it's his evil twin`
`15:40.31`	`yacoob`	`Thrull`
`15:42.00`	`JameyC`	`anyone know if AceEvent-2.0:ScheduleEvent persists though the whole session, or if something like zoning loses the timers?`
`15:42.52`	`chuckg`	`Can anyone confirm the 40 debuff is in on test?`
`15:42.55`	`chuckg`	`I can't get on cause I'm in beta :(`
`15:43.25`	`Industrial`	`anyone play on the US PvE server Horde?`
`15:43.37`	`Industrial`	`WTB Lesser Magic Wand, Greater Magic Wand`
`15:43.44`	`phyber`	`Amadeo: they fix stuff like that, I guess. beta = bug = have fun and say "zomg, just testing, kek."`
`15:43.54`	`Industrial`	`40s ea`
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`15:44.05`	`usz`	`JameyC, yes it does persist`
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`15:44.20`	`JameyC`	`ty, that makes things easier`
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`15:45.22`	`Industrial`	`PST Eliasis`
`15:45.23`	`Industrial`	`:P`
`15:45.40`	`JameyC`	`or maybe not, does the timer lose accuracy with zoning time, or stay more or less accurate after? (ie. slow pc, 1 min zoning time, does it get knocked back 1 min?)`
`15:46.08`	`usz`	`JameyC, i dont know answer to that`
`15:46.40`	`JameyC`	`k, i'll just have to actually test things rather than leeching knowledge then :(`
`15:47.03`	`Antiarc`	`Hm. Is UseContainerItem() protected in BC?`
`15:47.13`	`Industrial`	`haha i love my little impy; "his was notinmycontract!!"`
`15:47.15`	`usz`	`share what you learn, or come back later`
`15:47.15`	`Industrial`	`this*`
`15:47.18`	`Antiarc`	`Rather --`
`15:47.26`	`Antiarc`	`UseContainerItem() when the target item is a consumable.`
`15:47.49`	`JameyC`	`probably be a couple days before i get it to the point where I'll test that but I'll let ya know`
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`16:00.55`	`Cairenn`	`http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6901`
`16:01.39`	`Antiarc`	`Does anyone know if there is a section on WoWWiki for 2.0.1 API changes yet?`
`16:01.47`	`Antiarc`	`Like, documentation`
`16:02.02`	`Antiarc`	`I'm looking for one, but not finding it. I'd like to start updating the wiki with relevant info if there isn't an existing repository.`
`16:02.21`	`Antiarc`	`And wowace resolves for me.`
`16:02.29`	`Cairenn`	`there isn't yet because stuff is still undergoing changes`
`16:02.32`	`Antiarc`	`It's probably the guy's ISP's nameservers.`
`16:02.36`	`JameyC`	`it didn't resolve for me for a while, it does now`
`16:02.49`	`Cairenn`	`tell him guys, not me`
`16:03.01`	`Antiarc`	`Hm. Might it be worthwhile to note TBC changes alongside the current doc?`
`16:03.25`	`Cairenn`	`might be a good way of going about it`
`16:03.43`	`Antiarc`	`For example, GetItemInfo() now returns the item's iLevel as the third parameter, and parameters 3+ are shifted up an index.`
`16:03.51`	`Antiarc`	`That's something that's rather useful to know :)`
`16:04.00`	`Cairenn`	`really, the folks that work on the wiki ui stuff need to have a discussion about the best way of going about it and decide on a "standard"`
`16:04.09`	`Cairenn`	`(imO0`
`16:04.14`	`Cairenn`	`imo*`
`16:04.38`	`Antiarc`	`I'd agree`
`16:04.49`	`Antiarc`	`I'm just tired of not having up-to-date doc and want to get things a-movin' :)`
`16:05.20`	`Cairenn`	`hard to push stuff to it though when Blizz isn't finished yet, that's why everyone's been holding off`
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`16:05.31`	`Cairenn`	`there's been lots of discussion about it in the lounge`
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`16:06.15`	`Antiarc`	`Eh. I guess the my personal opinion on it is that hey, it's a wiki, and not too hard to change. :)`
`16:06.36`	`Antiarc`	`But if people are intentionally holding off, guess that's where I'll fall, too.`
`16:06.36`	`Cairenn`	`not saying not to do it, just saying why folks haven't been`
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`16:06.58`	`Greywind`	`bleh ag_uf is useless to a warlock or a hunter, none of the right click menus work for pet control`
`16:07.08`	`Cairenn`	`at the very least, can't hurt to get the discussion going on the site, deciding on the standard way to update it`
`16:07.08`	`Greywind`	`it gets blocked`
`16:08.03`	`Cheads`	`chuckg there's a thread about someone testing 40 debuff slots.. and they say it's there on PTR`
`16:08.20`	`chuckg`	`I'm skeptical till I see a shot with 40 drain souls.`
`16:08.28`	`Cheads`	`hehe`
`16:08.30`	`chuckg`	`Or someone shows me evidence programmaticall.`
`16:08.32`	`AKX`	`Hmm`
`16:08.35`	`AKX`	`Should I...`
`16:08.37`	`AKX`	`I feel like...`
`16:08.45`	`AKX`	`Coding a StepMania addon for WoW.`
`16:08.56`	`MoonWolf`	`AKX, DIE IN MULTIPLE FIRES.`
`16:09.02`	`AKX`	`What? :(`
`16:09.05`	`Industrial`	`StepMania?`
`16:09.09`	`MoonWolf`	`its like ddr`
`16:09.12`	`AKX`	`Yep`
`16:09.21`	`Cheads`	`chuckg they put on a lot of debuffs.. and the first ones didn't get pushed off`
`16:09.23`	`AKX`	`I mean, I already coded an addon which allowed action binding for a dance mat`
`16:09.37`	`Industrial`	`lmao`
`16:09.58`	`AKX`	`Doing Sinister Strikes on the mat was fun really :>`
`16:10.04`	`Greywind`	`wtf ace2 is hooking PetAbondon()?`
`16:10.12`	`Greywind`	`abandon*`
`16:10.16`	`Greywind`	`grrr`
`16:10.19`	`AKX`	`Sounds like a safety feature`
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`16:10.33`	`Greywind`	`these damn protections are annoying the hell out of me`
`16:10.44`	`Greywind`	`I'm out of combat damnit!`
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`16:11.03`	`Greywind`	`it should only be protected in combat grumbles`
`16:11.47`	`AKX`	`... for b=1,5 do for i=1,24 do PickupContainerItem(b,i);DeleteMouseItem();end end`
`16:11.51`	`AKX`	`(Don't try that.)`
`16:12.05`	`Saroz`	`he says 5 seconds later`
`16:12.25`	`AKX`	`I wonder`
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`16:12.39`	`AKX`	`if I commit that into BigWigs, at, say, "Ragnaros has been defeated!"...`
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`16:12.44`	`abbat_w`	`btw`
`16:12.58`	`abbat_w`	`can someone explain me`
`16:12.59`	`Saroz`	`AKX, trust me, everything that enters bigwigs is reviewed :p`
`16:13.07`	`AKX`	`Heheh, yeah Saroz, probably :D`
`16:13.12`	`abbat_w`	`i make macro for change my trinkets`
`16:13.17`	`Fisker`	`i suck`
`16:13.42`	`abbat_w`	`and sometimes i have situation: i pickup item from container and equip it`
`16:13.54`	`abbat_w`	`but item in inventory are inactive`
`16:14.23`	`abbat_w`	`i can't use it. if i push macro button twice, item are finally equip in properly slot`
`16:14.56`	`abbat_w`	`I just do PickupContainerItem(i, j); EquipItem(13);`
`16:15.13`	`Antiarc`	`Do UseContainerItem(i, j)`
`16:15.18`	`Antiarc`	`That'll automatically equip it`
`16:15.31`	`abbat_w`	`w8, i show correct code`
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`16:15.59`	`abbat_w`	`<PROTECTED>`
`16:15.59`	`abbat_w`	`<PROTECTED>`
`16:16.02`	`abbat_w`	`this one`
`16:16.17`	`abbat_w`	`p1 - bag id, p2 - slot id`
`16:16.23`	`abbat_w`	`invlot - it's 13 or 14`
`16:18.16`	`abbat_w`	`http://www.discordmods.com/cgi-bin/showmessage.pl?forum=DAB&msgnum=2258`
`16:18.30`	`abbat_w`	`yep. i want to make trinketbar with discrod ;)`
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`16:18.45`	`Melisandre`	`hi`
`16:18.53`	`Amadeo`	`hola`
`16:21.13`	`[Ammo]`	`AKX: do that, and you will lose your SVN account, no problemo`
`16:21.33`	`[Ammo]`	`we do read SVN commits for BigWigs`
`16:21.42`	`Antiarc`	`I think that AKX was pointing out why some stuff is protected`
`16:21.54`	`AKX`	`That, as well.`
`16:22.08`	`[Ammo]`	`he talked about poisoning bigwigs code`
`16:22.09`	`AKX`	`However, yacoob at least should know what I was referring to with that snippet. "Spoon".`
`16:22.17`	`AKX`	`[Ammo], do you really think I meant it?..`
`16:22.30`	`[Ammo]`	`I have very little trust in people on IRC that I have never seen`
`16:22.35`	`abbat_w`	`Hmm...`
`16:22.41`	`[Ammo]`	`oh and I'm an asshole`
`16:22.42`	`[Ammo]`	`ask Mikma`
`16:22.44`	`AKX`	`Heh`
`16:23.14`	`Shyva`	`remember that funny korean guy from 6months ago [Ammo] :P`
`16:23.25`	`abbat_w`	`UseContainerItem() just use item, not equip it ;(`
`16:23.45`	`[Ammo]`	`Shyva: and 4 months ago and 2 months ago and 1 month ago`
`16:23.54`	`[Ammo]`	`the jibberish talking people keep messing up stuff`
`16:24.12`	`abbat_w`	`Or if i point to trinket it equip it, because using trinket in container it's like equipping?`
`16:24.55`	`Shyva`	`Hahaha, true [Ammo], so very true :p`
`16:25.04`	`Greywind`	`gnight...or gmornin...whichever it is`
`16:26.01`	`Melisandre`	`bye :)`
`16:27.35`	`Fudge`	`Meh, is the PTR down or something?`
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`16:28.04`	`Amadeo`	`is TBC on PTR, or is it 1.13?`
`16:28.30`	`Srosh`	`it's 2.0.1 on PTR and 2.0.2 on beta servers`
`16:28.40`	`Amadeo`	`I see`
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`16:38.09`	`navv`	`does bugsack work in BC/PTR?`
`16:38.46`	`Elkano`	`yes`
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`17:01.59`	`sylvanaar`	`hm im seeing some funny behaviour in prat - some of the hooks a module installed will get called after that module has been ToggleModuleActive(..., false)`
`17:03.00`	`sylvanaar`	`does acehook require explicit cleanup?`
`17:03.23`	`nevcairiel`	`i am getting addon_action_blocked with agUF TBC Branch when leveling my shaman, did anyone encounter that before?`
`17:03.36`	`sylvanaar`	`yeah`
`17:03.38`	`sylvanaar`	`me`
`17:03.40`	`sylvanaar`	`today`
`17:04.43`	`sylvanaar`	`whats in teh stack`
`17:05.04`	`usz`	`sylvanaar, when module is disabled while having AceHook mixins, UnregisterAllHooks is being auomatically called when its going into disabled state`
`17:05.29`	`usz`	`same for Events and Comms`
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`17:06.42`	`sylvanaar`	`usz: ok then, let me do some data collection on that hook issue`
`17:06.52`	`sylvanaar`	`nevcairiel: DewdropLib' tried to call the protected function 'MultiBarBottomLeft:SetPoint()'.`
`17:07.25`	`mjc`	`~seen kergoth`
`17:07.50`	`purl`	`kergoth is currently on #oe (12h 20m 47s) #wowace (12h 20m 47s) #elinux (12h 20m 47s). Has said a total of 1 messages. Is idling for 11h 53m, last said: 'http://hawkins.kergoth.com:1980/Pics%20of%20Smokey%20010.jpg'.`
`17:08.10`	`mjc`	`usz: I read Cosmos in your last statement.... I was ready to vomit`
`17:08.55`	`sylvanaar`	`nevcairiel: <event>ADDON_ACTION_BLOCKED:AddOn 'Ace2' tried to call the protected function 'aUFtarget:SetPoint()'.`
`17:11.56`	`sylvanaar`	`nevcairiel: do you have target of target turned on?`
`17:12.02`	`nevcairiel`	`yea i do`
`17:12.15`	`sylvanaar`	`nevcairiel: thats where i think the errors are coming from`
`17:12.58`	`sylvanaar`	`heres a stack, sorry spam:`
`17:13.03`	`sylvanaar`	[2006/11/16 07:20:26-21-x11]: <event>ADDON_ACTION_BLOCKED:AddOn 'Ace2' tried to call the protected function 'aUFtargettarget:SetPoint()'.ag_UnitFrames\ag_UnitClass.lua:317: in function `LoadPosition'ag_UnitFrames\ag_UnitClass.lua:689: in function `UpdateAll'<string>:"aUFtargettarget:OnShow":3: in function <[string "aUFtargettarget:OnShow"]:1><in C code>: in function `Show'FrameXML\UnitWatch.lua:38: in function <Interface\Fra
`17:13.22`	`Kemayo`	`http://www.wowhead.com/bc/?item=18582`
`17:14.43`	`Fudge`	`Kemayo, slightly insane.`
`17:15.17`	`Fudge`	`And, also, definately a Hunter weapon. ;P`
`17:15.22`	`eternally777`	`GM weapon`
`17:15.29`	`eternally777`	`It's been on Allakhazam for months.`
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`17:16.13`	`usz`	`brb reboot`
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`17:19.08`	`Amadeo`	`eternally777: I have that weapon`
`17:19.17`	`Amadeo`	`on my Warlock`
`17:19.22`	`Amadeo`	`since I'm a melee Warlock`
`17:19.41`	`kergoth`	`morning`
`17:19.51`	`mjc`	`kergoth: hey`
`17:19.59`	`Amadeo`	`hola`
`17:21.10`	`Amadeo`	`I read that Microsoft's new Zune doesn't even work in Vista, rofl`
`17:21.10`	`mjc`	`it does`
`17:21.10`	`mjc`	`installer has to be run in XP compatibility mode`
`17:21.10`	`Amadeo`	`that's kinda silly`
`17:21.10`	`mjc`	`no`
`17:21.10`	`mjc`	`"You can't install this software on a beta OS"`
`17:21.12`	`mjc`	`Amadeo: it'll support it when it's released`
`17:21.14`	`snurre`	`as long as my ipod works i dont care :p`
`17:21.29`	`Amadeo`	`mjc: There are non-betas out there already`
`17:21.36`	`mjc`	`it's still not final`
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`17:21.43`	`Amadeo`	`I thought it went gold`
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`17:22.28`	`Amadeo`	`http://www.betanews.com/article/Its_Time_Windows_Vista_Goes_Gold/1163015314`
`17:22.28`	NerD`	`Hello :-)`
`17:22.28`	`mjc`	`ah you're right it is`
`17:22.35`	`snurre`	`im running final`
`17:22.45`	`Amadeo`	`You installed it finally?`
`17:22.51`	`snurre`	`yeah, yesterday`
`17:22.58`	`Amadeo`	`whatcha think?`
`17:23.02`	`snurre`	`love it`
`17:23.12`	`Xuerian`	`Someone needs to send me a dvd. =(`
`17:23.15`	`snurre`	`it's so pwetty! �p`
`17:25.54`	`snurre`	`only annoying thing is that O&O defrag doesnt work`
`17:26.06`	`Amadeo`	`PerfectDisk is the best anyway!`
`17:26.18`	`snurre`	`tried installing that, won't work it says`
`17:26.21`	`Amadeo`	`:(`
`17:26.51`	`haste`	`you know you're doing to much in the background: when you disconnect from the server while loading`
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`17:31.40`	`Elkano`	`snurre, ehat can vista do that xgl can't? ;)`
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`17:32.38`	`Elkano`	`(besides wasting ressources and disc space)`
`17:33.06`	`snurre`	`dunno what it can or cant do.. just like the layout and stuff :p`
`17:33.25`	`snurre`	`the fancy graphics seem to be way more efficient than i expected`
`17:33.36`	`usz`	`JoshBorke, ping`
`17:33.44`	`haste`	`Elkano: latest Beryl has 50-75% performance increase :=)`
`17:34.08`	`Elkano`	`well, a year ago or so a friend of min showed me xgl on his old notebook; pretty sure vista won't have even called that device a pc anymore`
`17:34.23`	`Xuerian`	`Elkano: Play DX-based games without running like complete shit.`
`17:34.39`	`Xuerian`	`But... Then again, you were talking about visuals... So nevermind >.<`
`17:34.47`	`Amadeo`	`Games have visuals!`
`17:34.52`	`Xuerian`	`:P`
`17:35.05`	`Elkano`	`well, I'm not going to install it within next time so not realy a reason for me to care about ^^`
`17:35.47`	`Amadeo`	`I dunno why so many people are anti-Vista, I'm probably going to turn all the fancy graphic stuff off anyway`
`17:36.06`	`snurre`	`i felt like reformatting anyway, and since i recently got my greasy fingers on vista i figured i might aswell just try it`
`17:37.44`	`Elkano`	`well, how big is the 'clean' installation of vista?`
`17:38.04`	`Amadeo`	`I dunno, but aren't hard drives up to like 500-750GB these days? :)`
`17:38.15`	`snurre`	`it requires 15gb (yep, i know), but "only" uses like 11gb for me (including swapfile)`
`17:38.32`	`Amadeo`	`Vanguard: Saga of Heroes is something like 25GB`
`17:38.33`	`Elkano`	`I've got 60gb...`
`17:39.17`	`Amadeo`	`I have a 60GB too, but my PC is 5-ish years old`
`17:39.24`	`Amadeo`	`When I upgrade, I'm getting some space!`
`17:39.27`	`Xuerian`	`Had a 80 five years, just got another =\|`
`17:39.32`	`Elkano`	`well, mine is 2years old, but it's a notebook`
`17:40.01`	`snurre`	`only got 600gb here :/`
`17:40.08`	`mjc`	`almost 2TB :)`
`17:40.26`	`mjc`	`any of you on US servers?`
`17:40.32`	`Amadeo`	`All you need is 640k`
`17:40.37`	`Amadeo`	`memory!`
`17:40.49`	`mjc`	`bill gates never said that`
`17:41.00`	`mjc`	`looking for a place to put my druid. I am considering kergoth's guild. anyone else want me ?? :P`
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`17:42.04`	`mjc`	`http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,1484,00.html`
`17:43.07`	`Amadeo`	`mjc: Weird, it says Steve Jobs said it`
`17:44.20`	`mjc`	`I know quite a few people that force themselves to use machines with less than that, actually :(`
`17:44.35`	`Amadeo`	`why!?`
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`17:44.50`	`mjc`	`cause they're used to it and stupid :)`
`17:45.03`	`Amadeo`	`hm..`
`17:45.10`	`Amadeo`	`trying to be cool?`
`17:45.16`	`mjc`	`shrug.`
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`17:46.13`	`[Liquidor]`	`Who said gnomes couldnt be priests - http://i10.tinypic.com/44hvsp1.jpg`
`17:46.54`	`Teomyr`	`lol, nice`
`17:47.05`	`Amadeo`	`hehe`
`17:47.09`	`Amadeo`	`"Level 60 Gnome Rogue" :P`
`17:47.13`	`mjc`	`heh`
`17:48.09`	`Amadeo`	`I still can't believe how many level 60-70 BE/Draenei are in the beta`
`17:49.13`	`Amadeo`	`1440 Shadowbolts?`
`17:49.19`	`Amadeo`	`Mine are like 600`
`17:49.34`	`axxo`	`mine are 1200`
`17:49.38`	`Amadeo`	`and people say gear doesn't matter, rofl`
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`17:49.53`	`axxo`	`gear doesn't matter for leveling`
`17:49.57`	`axxo`	`for raiding it sure does`
`17:50.02`	`Amadeo`	`PvP!`
`17:50.10`	`axxo`	`pvp is for nubs`
`17:50.34`	`Amadeo`	`That's what all the people who can't PvP say!`
`17:50.51`	xplo`	`hmm, is it correct behavior of a current bigwigs/thaddius arrows that TA doesn't show up under extras anymore? read that some kind of LoD features were put into bigwigs?`
`17:51.05`	`JameyC`	`the protected stuff in tbc introduces that new method, PvB... programmer vs bliz`
`17:51.33`	`usz`	xplo`, BWTA is still there, but gets loaded in Naxxramas
`17:51.56`	`usz`	`untill you go there, it wont load at all`
`17:51.57`	xplo`	`ahh, so it won't appear visibly before i zone into naxx?`
`17:52.05`	xplo`	`good good. thanks`
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`17:54.26`	`Mikma`	`AKX: he's an asshole`
`17:54.42`	`AKX`	`Mikma, thanks for the quick reply`
`17:56.08`	`Grine`	`AKX, is the DreamChat release on wowace.com/files TBC only?`
`17:56.18`	`AKX`	`No. It works on both, save for externals`
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`17:56.52`	`Grine`	`ah I see`
`17:57.09`	`JameyC`	`is DreamChat basically usable now? been reluctant to try. Don't mind bugs, just wondered if it's functional`
`17:57.11`	`Grine`	`so, install it and remove libs folder?`
`17:57.28`	`AKX`	`DreamChat is usable for receiving chat.`
`17:57.40`	`JameyC`	`k, i'll give it a shot later then`
`17:57.47`	`Mikma`	`AKX: sorry wasn't here :O`
`17:57.55`	`AKX`	`All the Cool Stuff is missing, though`
`17:58.07`	`Mikma`	`code it in then`
`17:58.14`	`AKX`	`Not while in Strat`
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`17:58.41`	`Mikma`	`noeees!`
`17:58.43`	`JameyC`	`so the feature to give me a T3 set with the super secret command is still missing? maybe i'll wait for that`
`17:58.54`	`Grine`	`I think it's cool already, can't wait for the rest XD`
`17:59.07`	`Grine`	`an editbox would be cool though :P`
`17:59.16`	`JameyC`	`(of course the command is /^^vv<><>ba )`
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`18:02.55`	`AKX`	`Well Grine - the rest will be: channel colors (ya, rly), filtering (either lua patterns or lua expressions)... the editbox, of course.. complete customization of the chat lines, etc.`
`18:02.57`	`mjc`	`kergoth: ping`
`18:02.57`	`AKX`	`If I CBA.`
`18:03.42`	`Grine`	`sounds great AKX :)`
`18:04.01`	`yacoob`	`AKX, will DreamChat replace Chatr? :)`
`18:04.06`	`AKX`	`Nope.`
`18:04.13`	`AKX`	`Chatr didn't replace FCF either`
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`18:07.33`	`Grine`	`FCF= forgotten chat?`
`18:07.38`	`AKX`	`No, FloatingChatFrame`
`18:07.45`	`AKX`	`Chatr replaced FC, ForgottenChat`
`18:07.50`	`AKX`	`But FCF is the WoW base chat system`
`18:08.03`	`Grine`	`ah`
`18:08.21`	`Grine`	`dreamchat replaces FCF then :P`
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`18:08.35`	`Grine`	`wish he'd continued working on Chatr though`
`18:08.57`	`usz`	`AKX, please have plugins in mind, like PrivateChat which offers virtual enrypted channels`
`18:08.58`	`AKX`	`I will continue working on Chatr... as soon as I cba and there are features to be added`
`18:09.08`	`AKX`	`usz, DreamChat is very pluginable`
`18:09.15`	`usz`	`good then`
`18:09.26`	`AKX`	`DreamChat:RegisterMessageType("myaddonmessage","My Addon",{color="FF00FF",category="Addons"})`
`18:09.35`	`AKX`	`DreamChat:SendMessage("myaddonmessage","LOL!")`
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`18:09.46`	`AKX`	`Will show that in all dc frames that are showing myaddonmessags`
`18:09.55`	`usz`	`what about slash commands or only output should be done via DC?`
`18:09.56`	`Grine`	`oh, yuo wrote Chatr? XD I didn't know that`
`18:10.02`	`Grine`	`<3 then :)`
`18:10.11`	`AKX`	`Hah, Grine, yeah, I did. And thanks for the <3! <3`
`18:10.40`	`AKX`	`usz, yeah, output via DC is indeed that "SendMessage" (it sends a message to the frames >_>)`
`18:10.50`	`Grine`	`anyway, will dreamchat touch the combat log?`
`18:10.58`	`AKX`	`No.`
`18:11.18`	`AKX`	`BUT the current combat log addons can be of course modified to support DC as an output method ;)`
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`18:12.02`	`Mi\|es`	`err, does wow has some kind of uberhuge memory leak?`
`18:12.26`	`Mi\|es`	`1.15G virtual, 705M woring set`
`18:12.30`	`Fudge`	`Mi\|es, probably. ;P`
`18:12.54`	`JoshBorke`	`Mi\|es: it's called IF`
`18:12.59`	`JameyC`	`yeah, chatr rocks, thanks akx :D`
`18:13.00`	`thalie`	`<giggle>`
`18:13.01`	`Mi\|es`	`pc started to swap. gotta get vista + 4g ram next year`
`18:13.04`	`Antiarc`	`Remember that it's loading up and decompressing a metric asston of data.`
`18:13.08`	`AKX`	`Thanks JameyC as well /bow`
`18:14.14`	`JoshBorke`	`Mi\|es: hey, what do you say to make MCL output to dreamchat? ^_^`
`18:14.35`	`AKX`	`JoshBorke, trivial addition ;) if DreamChat then DreamChat:Register... end`
`18:14.51`	`usz`	`JoshBorke, removed varargs as in fact there was no need for it to be there in MD5Lib`
`18:14.56`	`JoshBorke`	`sshhhh, i'm trying to get him to release and update it :-P`
`18:15.02`	`JameyC`	`would one just hide the default window with like visor then if they just want dreamchat?`
`18:15.03`	`AKX`	`Heheh`
`18:15.18`	`AKX`	`JameyC, add an equally trivial option for that ;)`
`18:15.45`	`Mi\|es`	`err, if dreamchat eats AddMessage, it's ezmode to do that`
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`18:16.03`	`AKX`	`Mi\|es, no, it doesn't, yet. ChatFrame trapping will be added.`
`18:16.09`	`Antiarc`	`I'm reading over the secure code stuff, and my line of thinking is that item use (such as items in your backpack) is restricted from unsecured code because an item usage is technically a spellcast. Does that sound right?`
`18:16.24`	`JoshBorke`	`yea`
`18:16.45`	`Mi\|es`	`neh, if dreamchat has some global var (DreamChatFrame1? :P), it only takes minor modification to the output routine to support it`
`18:17.03`	`Antiarc`	`Does anyone have a dead-simple example of how I would implement a secure clickable frame that would use an item, then? The examples I've found thus far mostly relate to stance switching, which isn't what I need.`
`18:17.40`	`AKX`	`Mi\|es, that's the Wrong Way`
`18:17.55`	`Antiarc`	`I played around with it last night, but my understanding of the system obviously isn't there yet, because I was not getting it to work.`
`18:18.24`	`JoshBorke`	`Antiarc: you want to try SecureActionButtonTemplate (i think)`
`18:18.27`	`AKX`	`The Right Way to do it is to register a message type at addon init, then use DreamChat:SendMessage("that-msg-types-id","Message Here")`
`18:18.28`	`Mi\|es`	`gloabals = things that are called from somewhere non local`
`18:19.05`	`Mi\|es`	`and where do r,g,b go?`
`18:19.10`	`JoshBorke`	`Mi\|es: bad definition :-P`
`18:19.28`	`Antiarc`	`JoshBorke: I was working with it last night, but I couldn't seem to get it working.`
`18:19.32`	`ckknight`	`hey all`
`18:19.45`	`Antiarc`	`Keya, ckknight`
`18:19.48`	`Antiarc`	`Heya, even.`
`18:20.29`	`Mi\|es`	`I kinda like ChatFrames, other mods can add timestamps (hh.mm.ss or mm.ss.xx for timing stuff), I just AddMessage to something`
`18:21.10`	`Mikma`	`i need to rape DreamChat default colors to match wow`
`18:21.17`	`Mikma`	`the current colors are sucky :P`
`18:21.30`	`Grine`	`yes plix mikma:P`
`18:22.09`	`AKX`	`Mi\|es, they are defaulted in the message type initialization`
`18:22.25`	`AKX`	`Check Messaging.lua`
`18:23.51`	`ckknight`	`phyber, kergoth, ping`
`18:24.27`	`Mi\|es`	`><`
`18:24.37`	`Mi\|es`	`another \|crrggbbaa ftl`
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`18:25.36`	`Mi\|es`	`oh well, gonna add it to the todo for the rewrite`
`18:26.52`	`eternally777`	`Anyone know the range on the four horsemen's marks?`
`18:26.58`	`Mi\|es`	`60y?`
`18:29.06`	`haste`	`I'll probably get a warning for this`
`18:29.32`	`Mikma`	`haste: i'm warning you!`
`18:29.38`	`haste`	`oh?`
`18:30.00`	`haste`	`It's just massive abuse of PlayMusic() :D`
`18:30.22`	`JoshBorke`	`yea, but it can't really do anything`
`18:30.55`	`haste`	`in-game: play/pause/prev/next/load playlist 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6`
`18:33.45`	`JoshBorke`	`well, yea, that'll be nice to have an in-game music player :-D`
`18:34.35`	`Grine`	`it's stupid that you have to put your music in the wow folder...`
`18:34.54`	`thalie`	`stupid is a rather strong word`
`18:34.56`	`Saroz`	`[Ammo], ping`
`18:35.17`	`yacoob`	`haste, what's wrong with having global shortcuts for your $music_player?`
`18:35.23`	`Grine`	`it's tupid that I have to duoble up my 3GB of music...`
`18:35.30`	`thalie`	`slash cry`
`18:35.33`	`axxo`	`l2symlink`
`18:35.46`	`Grine`	`l2noob`
`18:35.51`	`axxo`	`l2bindmount`
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`18:35.53`	`Grine`	`./wrists`
`18:36.01`	`axxo`	`/flex`
`18:36.06`	`axxo`	`l2notdot`
`18:36.33`	`Hakker`	`one quick question does anyone know the frame names for raidwarning/raidleader and zone entering?`
`18:38.15`	`Tem`	`l2devtools`
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`18:39.53`	`phyber`	`ckknight: pong`
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`18:40.36`	`cubicool`	`Are there functions for setting/getting Raid Target icons? (Lucky Charms)`
`18:40.39`	`kergoth`	`dangit, i thought ackbar was gonna be usable, but it seems to break the keybindings`
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`18:41.08`	`Tem`	`cubicool, nope, the blizzard UI does it by magic`
`18:41.17`	`cubicool`	`Seriously?`
`18:41.22`	`thalie`	`lol`
`18:41.37`	`phyber`	`ckknight_: pong again :)`
`18:41.41`	`kergoth`	`yep ackbar fucks it up`
`18:41.48`	`cubicool`	`The wiki is quite down for me.`
`18:41.56`	`kergoth`	`hitting '3' acts like i hit shift+3 (its hitting the ones from the wrong actionbar page)`
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`18:42.34`	`Antiarc`	`Hm. If I'm reading this right, then I have to set a "unit" attribute for every secure action button, even ones that should just use an item?`
`18:43.35`	`JoshBorke`	`kergoth: sounds borked to me`
`18:43.37`	`mjc`	`asddfkpof`
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`18:44.10`	`ckknight_`	`kergoth, phyber, what are your thoughts on having OnClick handlers and whatnot for notes?`
`18:45.04`	`kergoth`	`hmm`
`18:45.19`	`ckknight_`	`bbiab`
`18:45.56`	`phyber`	`I like the idea. like kergoth said last night, it can be used to bring up boss loot tables :)`
`18:46.13`	`phyber`	`also, the instance maps are broken, they arn't scaled with the rest of the frame now.`
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`18:46.27`	`phyber`	`unless that's skinner being special again`
`18:49.19`	`Hakker`	`btw dunno who of the two makes/maintain honorfu but I get double values lately`
`18:49.24`	`phyber`	`hmm, nope. they're still huge :)`
`18:49.30`	`nevcairiel`	`server shutdown -.- does anyone know if its a patch or only a restart?`
`18:50.35`	`haste`	`I would guess restart`
`18:50.47`	`haste`	`since it's not maintaince, and my server hasn't restarted`
`18:51.58`	`nevcairiel`	`beta, i mean :)`
`18:53.38`	`Mikma`	`wassup nutsacks?`
`18:53.52`	`nevcairiel`	`beta server shutdown :(`
`18:55.48`	`Amadeo`	`yep`
`18:55.53`	`Amadeo`	`I guess 6 hours`
`18:57.08`	`Amadeo`	`haha`
`18:57.09`	`Amadeo`	`I was right`
`18:58.29`	`Amadeo`	`<PROTECTED>`
`18:58.29`	`Amadeo`	`[ Post edited by Nethaera ]`
`18:59.00`	`Amadeo`	`I thought maint. day was Monday`
`18:59.40`	ag`	`EU BC server down?`
`18:59.41`	ag`	`ah`
`18:59.43`	ag`	`bleh`
`18:59.51`	ag`	`patch notes anywhere?`
`19:00.00`	`Amadeo`	`not that I can see, yet`
`19:00.10`	ag`	`probably 2.0.1`
`19:03.10`	`Amadeo`	`I bet they fix the Sister of Grief bug :(`
`19:04.24`	`mjc`	`sister of grief ???`
`19:04.25`	`nevcairiel`	ag`: we already are at 2.0.2 on beta
`19:05.22`	`Amadeo`	`mjc: If you Enslave a Sister of Grief, they have an ability that drains 5000 health over 5 seconds...everything says invalid target...except for your own faction, so you can kill them in seconds`
`19:05.45`	`mjc`	`hahahahahahaha`
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`19:05.56`	`mjc`	`do you lose rep ?`
`19:06.33`	`Amadeo`	`nope`
`19:06.33`	`pastamancer`	`Amadeo: sweet`
`19:06.46`	`Amadeo`	`but like I said before, I don't know if Blizzard gets pissed over it :P`
`19:07.08`	`pastamancer`	`you can MC the blooddrinkers in ZG and kill your friends with their life drain`
`19:07.24`	`Amadeo`	`yeah?`
`19:07.35`	`pastamancer`	`so I hear`
`19:07.36`	`Amadeo`	`it'll be nuts if they leave it in game`
`19:07.38`	`Amadeo`	`super griefing`
`19:07.49`	`Amadeo`	`You don't like someone, you go get a Sister of Grief`
`19:07.52`	`Amadeo`	`they better run`
`19:08.08`	`pastamancer`	`more like sister of griefing, amirite :p`
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`19:08.26`	`Amadeo`	`haha`
`19:08.58`	`mjc`	`pastamancer: yeah`
`19:09.06`	`Amadeo`	`aw, no premades on PTR this time?`
`19:09.48`	`pastamancer`	`yeah, I think they want people to test on the PTR the time, not duel and pvp`
`19:09.54`	`pastamancer`	`s/the/this/`
`19:10.02`	`Amadeo`	`My Warlock is the most fun so far, since I can go around Enslaving everything in that first zone...Hellstorm/Hellfire/Hellsomething`
`19:10.03`	`pastamancer`	`bah`
`19:10.26`	`Amadeo`	`I haven't run into anything not enslaveable yet`
`19:10.41`	`Amadeo`	`except things out of my level range, that is`
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`19:11.31`	`Amadeo`	`;)`
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`19:17.05`	`haste`	`damn US`
`19:17.28`	`haste`	`easiest TBC contest ever :D`
`19:18.28`	`Antiarc`	`?`
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`19:20.08`	r0y``	`hello, is there any way, to reset the ora2 frame positions?`
`19:20.24`	r0y``	`ive placed my cooldown monitor to far at the top, and now I cant move it.`
`19:20.26`	r0y``	`;(`
`19:20.34`	`mjc`	`nil the DB`
`19:20.56`	r0y``	`no other way? like a -reset command?`
`19:21.14`	`mjc`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:21.15`	`mjc`	`:P`
`19:21.36`	r0y``	`:/`
`19:21.55`	`mjc`	`what ? it's not like it's hard`
`19:22.56`	`eternally777`	`In other words.. Delete your saved variables`
`19:23.01`	`eternally777`	`After fully exiting the game`
`19:23.05`	`mjc`	`nilling it is easier`
`19:23.08`	`mjc`	`:p`
`19:23.27`	`eternally777`	`He might not understand that concept. :P`
`19:23.34`	`mjc`	`I gave him the command`
`19:23.47`	r0y``	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:23.47`	`eternally777`	`Ok`
`19:23.52`	r0y``	`but thanks anyway :D`
`19:23.58`	`eternally777`	`np`
`19:24.09`	`mjc`	r0y``: what exactly is in there that matters
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`19:26.09`	`mjc`	`hey ckk`
`19:26.21`	`ckknight`	`hey all`
`19:27.26`	`nevcairiel`	`hey ckk`
`19:27.52`	`ckknight`	`kergoth, any thoughts about before`
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`19:31.25`	`ckknight`	`?`
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`19:38.16`	`mjc`	`ssadflkjsk`
`19:38.29`	`ckknight`	`sassafras.`
`19:39.15`	`mjc`	`you can type that all with one hand`
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`19:39.54`	`nevcairiel`	`you can type everything with one hand, it just takes a lot of time`
`19:40.28`	`pastamancer`	`I raid with one hand.`
`19:40.30`	`ckknight`	`kergoth, phyber, I was thinking of having the ability to change the tooltip and the dewdrop.`
`19:41.26`	`sylvanaar`	`anyone else with ADDON_ACTION_BLOCKED errors on 2.0 today for agUf et al.?`
`19:42.27`	`ckknight`	`I just want to know what'd be useful.`
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`19:50.36`	`phyber`	`ckknight: http://cardboardium.com/sshots/WoWScrnShot_111606_194834.jpg`
`19:50.42`	`phyber`	`this is currently happening with instance maps.`
`19:51.09`	`phyber`	`also, there should be an option to automatically open the instance map for the instance you're in. instead of showing the zoomed out world map. (if possible)`
`19:51.32`	`ckknight`	`phyber, hrm, it should do that now, I just need to test it`
`19:51.57`	`ckknight`	`hrm, phyber, I'll check it out`
`19:51.59`	`ckknight`	`later`
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`19:54.14`	`ckknight`	`ugh, I have to see my writing teacher in an hour`
`19:54.20`	`ckknight`	`not really looking forward to it`
`19:54.27`	`thalie`	`that closed beta contest sucks, they should add PTR to it so everyone can do it`
`19:54.35`	`ckknight`	`what contest?`
`19:54.53`	`thalie`	`"players who log in to The Burning Crusade closed beta test and play for 5 hours will have a chance to win 1 of 5 prize packages that include..."`
`19:55.15`	`thalie`	`usa and canada only it seems as well`
`19:55.23`	`kergoth`	`hmm, beta realms still down?`
`19:55.53`	`haste`	`kergoth: didn't they say that it was going to be down for 5-6 hours?`
`19:56.04`	`kergoth`	`ah did they, i missed it`
`19:57.22`	`Fisker`	`fucking gg`
`19:57.26`	`Fisker`	`stupid mmo losers`
`19:57.36`	`thalie`	`lol`
`19:57.43`	`Fisker`	`That Dark and Light game (crappy shit) just activated my account and billed me 10€`
`19:58.00`	`Fisker`	`I haven't had that account active for almost an year now`
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`20:08.26`	`Teomyr`	`strange...`
`20:08.39`	`Teomyr`	`the eu ptr has been up at least since yesterday`
`20:08.46`	`Teomyr`	`character copies are still not working`
`20:08.55`	`kergoth`	`:(`
`20:09.00`	`Teomyr`	`yet the realm is marked as highly populated`
`20:09.28`	`kovi`	`log on, do a ./who 60 and you will see that lots of ppl have had their chars copied already`
`20:10.03`	`Teomyr`	`really? how? :D`
`20:10.45`	`kovi`	`just click on the test realm thingie in the sidebar on www.wow-europe.com`
`20:10.54`	`haste`	`Fisker: it's their way of telling you that they want you back!`
`20:11.02`	`kovi`	`did it earlier, but it said something like that it will take up to 4 days for the char to get copied`
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`20:14.08`	`Fisker`	`yeah haste :<`
`20:14.20`	`Fisker`	`i don't think i have enough for a renewal of WoW though`
`20:14.22`	`Fisker`	`://`
`20:14.30`	`Mikma`	`haste: any new kinky addons?`
`20:14.57`	`thalie`	`i can't copy my priest to the test realm anyway, get an error every time`
`20:15.00`	`thalie`	`that is so lame`
`20:15.30`	`haste`	`Mikma: soon done with grouping on oCD`
`20:15.43`	`haste`	`but school + raid stopped me from coding the draft into the add on:D`
`20:15.43`	`kergoth`	`grouping?`
`20:15.49`	`Mikma`	`haste: that's not kinky, do some oShit`
`20:15.55`	`haste`	`kergoth: mostly for hunters and warriors`
`20:16.10`	`haste`	`kergoth: basicly merging of cooldowns`
`20:16.21`	`Mikma`	`haste: i know, make us a GOOD oAnnounce`
`20:16.25`	`kergoth`	`ah`
`20:16.36`	`Mikma`	`(press a hotkey and paste stats of target into chat)`
`20:16.41`	`ckknight`	`I still think prefixing all your addons with o is a bit pretentious...`
`20:16.49`	`haste`	`:(`
`20:17.18`	`Amadeo`	`haste needs an oRly addon!`
`20:17.20`	`Amadeo`	`:D`
`20:17.25`	`thalie`	`i agree`
`20:17.30`	`haste`	`well, I'm not a native english speaker, so I'm not good with names for add ons`
`20:17.45`	`haste`	`so for now: oWhatItDoesWorks`
`20:17.52`	`Fritti`	`evening all`
`20:17.56`	`pastamancer`	`I think an oSnap would be good`
`20:17.57`	`thalie`	`im sure if you asked, people would happily give you suggestions haste ;)`
`20:18.05`	`Amadeo`	`haha, I like oSnap too`
`20:18.22`	`pastamancer`	`or evne oNoYouDidn't`
`20:18.26`	`thalie`	`oBehave`
`20:18.26`	`pastamancer`	`s/evne/even/`
`20:18.31`	`pastamancer`	`thalie: haha`
`20:18.32`	`haste`	`I have four add ons names without o in them`
`20:18.34`	`Fritti`	`lol @ thalie`
`20:18.48`	`Fritti`	`make it a herb addon!`
`20:18.53`	`Fritti`	`all flowery like`
`20:18.55`	`haste`	`(raiding gluth atm)`
`20:18.58`	`thalie`	`haha`
`20:19.01`	`ckknight`	`oNoYouDi'n't`
`20:19.04`	`haste`	`hence the slow replies :p`
`20:19.16`	`thalie`	`oBehave... now what would it do`
`20:19.17`	`thalie`	`hehhe`
`20:19.22`	`Amadeo`	`oMG`
`20:19.23`	`thalie`	`kinda the wrong way to go about naming an addon`
`20:19.37`	`Mikma`	`otravi MiniGroup`
`20:19.38`	`Mikma`	`oMG`
`20:19.40`	`Amadeo`	`haha`
`20:19.42`	`Fritti`	`woot :)`
`20:19.43`	`pastamancer`	`oBehave should probably handle pets`
`20:19.49`	`thalie`	`heh`
`20:19.56`	`Fritti`	`that's even better`
`20:19.56`	`thalie`	`oSnap should handle windows and snap-to`
`20:20.00`	`haste`	`only add ons I haven't named with o are: Show My Chat, Apply to Forehead and Hanabi`
`20:20.05`	`haste`	`where Hanabi is oUF's successor`
`20:20.10`	`Mikma`	`haste: fuck hanabi, name it oMG`
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`20:20.17`	`Amadeo`	`Apply To Forehead?`
`20:20.24`	`Amadeo`	`oHeadache`
`20:20.36`	`thalie`	`haha someone on the PTR forums :`
`20:20.38`	`thalie`	`Onyxia deep breaths more often.`
`20:20.42`	`thalie`	`I lol'ed`
`20:21.04`	`pastamancer`	`I think my jboots are slower too`
`20:21.57`	`Amadeo`	`SoW plz`
`20:22.34`	`mjc`	`http://www.wowhead.com/?talent-bc=whxcohZGcVbzEz0MGotV is the build I'm trying out in TBC after I respec, I think`
`20:22.45`	`haste`	`Amadeo: you don't want to know where the name is from`
`20:22.52`	`haste`	`I can give you a hint; 4chan's /b/`
`20:23.31`	`Fritti`	`bah`
`20:23.35`	`Fritti`	`EU Tempest Keep beta server down?`
`20:23.49`	`Fritti`	`I only get the PTR listed :-/`
`20:23.58`	`mjc`	`maint.`
`20:24.20`	`Fisker`	`i thought maintanence was monday?`
`20:24.37`	`mjc`	`fuck if I know or care, someone said it's maint.`
`20:24.41`	`Fritti`	`heh`
`20:24.53`	`Fisker`	`have they told if they're going to enable the flying mounts?`
`20:24.57`	`Fisker`	`cause then i shouldn't have stopped @ 69 :D`
`20:25.04`	`mjc`	`fuck if I know or care`
`20:25.23`	`thalie`	`hey, question about tbc - have they increased the amount of money that drops off mobs etc?`
`20:25.32`	`Fritti`	`http://beta.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=1255192&sid=2`
`20:25.34`	`thalie`	`everything seems really expensive in the thott stuff i see`
`20:25.43`	`Fisker`	`You gain money quicker`
`20:25.44`	`Fisker`	`imo`
`20:25.46`	`mjc`	`thalie: it scales with level`
`20:25.53`	`thalie`	`it does? cool.`
`20:26.01`	`mjc`	`always ha`
`20:26.02`	`mjc`	`s`
`20:26.14`	`thalie`	`never noticed before i guess :)`
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`20:26.56`	`thalie`	`got most of my money from professions, was one of the first alchs to get transmutes on my server`
`20:27.41`	`Fritti`	`kergoth: can't fix the keybindings today I'm afraid, maintenance :)`
`20:29.15`	`haste`	`hmm, maybe I should name oUF"3" Hakakiri instead of Hanabi`
`20:29.37`	`thalie`	`oMG for the win`
`20:29.37`	`Mikma`	`haste: oMG`
`20:29.46`	`haste`	`lol`
`20:29.55`	`thalie`	`should have a forum vote, i bet oMG wins`
`20:29.56`	`thalie`	`:)`
`20:30.06`	`mjc`	`haste: call it aznlover`
`20:30.11`	`pastamancer`	`haha`
`20:30.17`	`haste`	`mjc: :(`
`20:30.26`	`haste`	`or HOTDICKINGS`
`20:30.26`	`mjc`	`haste: oMG ins't bad either`
`20:30.33`	`haste`	`mjc: guess what the MG is`
`20:30.42`	`mjc`	`no idea`
`20:30.45`	`haste`	`minigroup`
`20:30.48`	`mjc`	`heh`
`20:30.49`	`thalie`	`:)`
`20:30.52`	`haste`	`something Mikma suggested as a joke`
`20:30.53`	`mjc`	`PurpleHeadedYogurtFlinger!`
`20:31.00`	`thalie`	`i still want oBehave`
`20:31.12`	`thalie`	`don't care what it does`
`20:31.13`	`thalie`	`;)`
`20:31.13`	`thalie`	`hehe`
`20:31.20`	`haste`	`haha`
`20:31.26`	`mjc`	`oBoy`
`20:31.26`	`haste`	`I should make oShit`
`20:31.32`	`thalie`	`oSnap was good too`
`20:31.33`	`haste`	`and have it do a division by zero`
`20:33.02`	`kergoth`	`Fritti: yea, no worries :) i look forward to you fixing it though, it seems to work nicely otherwise, was going bonkers with normal blizzard actionbars`
`20:33.29`	`Mikma`	`azncock`
`20:34.58`	`Amadeo`	`heh, I'm the same way...the default actionbars drive me nuts`
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`20:38.15`	`Mikma`	`kergoth: TBC?`
`20:38.18`	`kergoth`	`yea`
`20:38.24`	`Mikma`	`use Bartender3 from trunk :P`
`20:38.31`	`Mikma`	`and don't tell nevcairiel that i told you to use it`
`20:38.43`	`thalie`	`even after mikma flipped out in the forums and said he would never release bar3? :)`
`20:38.47`	`Mikma`	`he will say "it's not ready and should not be used"`
`20:38.59`	`Mikma`	`thalie: that's right, i WON'T.. nevcairiel will`
`20:39.02`	`Kyahx`	`Mikma: is pagemaster dead ='(`
`20:39.02`	`thalie`	`ahhh :)`
`20:39.07`	`Kyahx`	`I tried to fix my own to no avail`
`20:39.16`	`Mikma`	`Kyahx: yes it is atm but it will be in Bartender3 (i think)`
`20:39.22`	`Mikma`	`since BT3 will have the 3 modes`
`20:39.28`	`Mikma`	`noob, pro, leet`
`20:39.47`	`Kyahx`	`I modified my original stuff for beta, but the page changes gets locked in combat :(`
`20:39.57`	`nevcairiel`	`(21:38:23) (Mikma) use Bartender3 from trunk :P <-- its in branches`
`20:40.01`	`nevcairiel`	`and you still cannot bind any keys`
`20:40.03`	`Mikma`	`lol branches`
`20:40.21`	`Mikma`	`but it still works great`
`20:40.37`	`Mikma`	`i'm using it all the time in TBC eventho it doesn't have "keybinds"`
`20:40.52`	`Mikma`	`(the normal keybinds from blizzard menu will work)`
`20:41.03`	`nevcairiel`	`i need to rework some of the bar code due to some design changes i decided to do, well weekend is near :)`
`20:41.38`	`Mikma`	`changes? shoot`
`20:41.49`	`nevcairiel`	`dont you read forums?`
`20:41.50`	`nevcairiel`	`:)`
`20:41.55`	`Mikma`	`haven't today`
`20:42.00`	`Mikma`	`been traveling around finland ;)`
`20:42.01`	`Saroz`	`http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=46950703&sid=1`
`20:42.03`	`Saroz`	`DRAMA`
`20:42.53`	`Mikma`	`right`
`20:43.08`	`Mikma`	`gello dropped a bomb by telling that everyone who uses ace is retarded`
`20:43.22`	`Saroz`	`ye`
`20:43.36`	`JoshBorke`	`now i have to read it`
`20:43.42`	`Grine`	`if I use SetTextColor(x,x,x) how do I get orange? ^^`
`20:43.49`	`nevcairiel`	`somewhere i heard that gello name before`
`20:43.49`	`ckknight`	`gah, do I need to repropagandize?`
`20:43.49`	`Amadeo`	`wow`
`20:43.51`	`nevcairiel`	`where was that..`
`20:43.52`	`thalie`	`"Most of the performance gains from using Ace mods are imagined and perpetuated by the community."`
`20:43.54`	`thalie`	`what an asshole`
`20:43.55`	`Amadeo`	`I'm surprised Gello bashed everyone`
`20:43.59`	`Mikma`	`ckknight: yes you really do`
`20:44.00`	`Saroz`	`Grine: 1, 0.5`
`20:44.12`	`Mikma`	`i think gello did a huge attack against us`
`20:44.18`	`Grine`	`missing one number saroz :)`
`20:44.23`	`Saroz`	`0 ofc`
`20:44.28`	`Saroz`	`1, 0.5, 0, 1`
`20:44.43`	`Saroz`	`google: rgb selector`
`20:44.45`	`Grine`	`thanks :)`
`20:44.48`	`Saroz`	`nps`
`20:44.56`	`Teomyr`	`nevcairiel: recap?`
`20:45.05`	`Saroz`	`Gello made itemrack`
`20:45.07`	`Saroz`	`and recap`
`20:45.10`	`thalie`	`yeah`
`20:45.17`	`Saroz`	`He is my hero :\|`
`20:46.07`	`thalie`	`closetgnome FTW`
`20:46.10`	`thalie`	`eff itemrack`
`20:46.14`	`Saroz`	`I still use itemrack`
`20:46.31`	`Mikma`	`so no wonder he's pissed lol`
`20:46.31`	`nevcairiel`	`so did i till today, but i wont use an addon by a guy who talks that thrash :)`
`20:46.40`	`Saroz`	`meh`
`20:46.44`	`Saroz`	`he can say what he want`
`20:46.55`	`ckknight`	`and I'll backlash.`
`20:46.56`	`Saroz`	`I have great respect for him, he's no idiot when it comes to lua and coding`
`20:47.02`	`ckknight`	`this is true`
`20:47.13`	`Saroz`	`ckknight, please do`
`20:47.26`	`nymbia`	`he's no idiot, but he's obviously got some pent up hostility for no good reason`
`20:47.27`	`thalie`	`that doesn't mean he is some kind of wow uimod god or something, he's just a guy with an opinion`
`20:47.28`	`kergoth`	`sounds like gello is buying into what the sheep believe. the performance gains are due to the individual addons and coders involved, not due to ace`
`20:47.37`	`thalie`	`and you know what they say about opinions`
`20:47.56`	`kergoth`	`and i'd like to see his performance numbers disproving it, rather than statements pulled out of his ass`
`20:48.06`	`thalie`	`kergoth - mind if i steal that statement? :)`
`20:48.14`	`mjc`	`bout to upload my character profile`
`20:48.20`	`Saroz`	`kergoth, sure`
`20:48.25`	`JoshBorke`	`i'd like to make a correction. gello did not say everyone who uses ace is retarded`
`20:48.58`	`nymbia`	`JoshBorke: "Ironically, most Ace mods are copies of existing work done by others without the miraculous support of Ace."`
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`20:49.13`	`nymbia`	`we're all plagarists, guys!`
`20:49.16`	`thalie`	`yep`
`20:49.54`	`pastamancer`	`Gello needs a hug :(`
`20:49.55`	`kergoth`	`riiiigh`
`20:49.56`	`kergoth`	`t`
`20:49.59`	`thalie`	`good job ck`
`20:50.02`	`Saroz`	`pastamancer is right`
`20:50.05`	`ckknight`	`not done.`
`20:50.09`	`thalie`	`heh`
`20:50.10`	`Saroz`	`thats so copy paste ckknight :p`
`20:50.22`	`kergoth`	`gello suffers from ace prejudices that were obviously developed back in the ace1 days.`
`20:50.23`	`ckknight`	`so?`
`20:50.26`	`JoshBorke`	`gello is probably using the fact that when fubar came out, some people did a bad job porting the titan plugins over to fubar`
`20:50.31`	`kergoth`	`there is no "lets convert everything to ace" movement anymore`
`20:50.35`	`kergoth`	`plagurism my ass`
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`20:51.06`	`kergoth`	`this is part of why i wish we had named ace2 something different`
`20:51.09`	`thalie`	`yeah to say that "nearly all ace mods are copies" is the part that gets to me`
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`20:51.15`	`kergoth`	`yes, we keep mindshare, which is both a problem and a benefit`
`20:51.36`	`thalie`	`he apologised btw`
`20:51.48`	`Tem`	`ckknight, delete your post`
`20:51.52`	`ckknight`	`no.`
`20:51.53`	`Saroz`	`UH!`
`20:51.56`	`Tem`	`yes`
`20:52.00`	`Saroz`	`He replied!`
`20:52.07`	`ckknight`	`I don't know why you expect me to.`
`20:52.09`	`thalie`	`who cares if he replied, he deserved it`
`20:52.21`	`Tem`	`you don't need to know why`
`20:52.25`	`ckknight`	`sure I do.`
`20:52.40`	`Tem`	`You need to know that when Ace PR is concerned, I get more say that you`
`20:52.46`	`Tem`	`delete the post`
`20:52.55`	`Tem`	`I spoke to gello personally`
`20:52.57`	`ckknight`	`why do you have more say?`
`20:53.03`	`Tem`	`see the Dev page`
`20:53.14`	`Tem`	`I'll ask again before I get nasty`
`20:53.18`	`Tem`	`delete the post, please`
`20:53.25`	`Xuerian`	`Geez, what got under gello's skin`
`20:53.28`	`ckknight`	`feel free to get nasty, you are not my keeper.`
`20:53.45`	`Xuerian`	`He apologized and everything, but I just wonder what in particular pissed him off`
`20:53.47`	`Teomyr`	`even more drama! fetches popcorn`
`20:53.52`	`*** kick/#wowace [ckknight!n=tardmrr@ip68-227-128-41.br.br.cox.net] by Tem (#wowace)`
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`20:54.05`	`ckknight`	`please don't.`
`20:54.44`	`ckknight`	`I don't think that's necessary.`
`20:55.06`	`ckknight`	`and I don't want internal conflict.`
`20:55.41`	`Tem`	`Keep your propaganda off the main forums`
`20:56.08`	`ckknight`	`if Gello does not spread black propaganda about us, I will not spread counter white propaganda.`
`20:56.09`	`Tem`	`we don't need that crap reinforcing the belief that Ace is a bunch of elitist assholes`
`20:56.24`	`Mikma`	`wow, gello apologized his rant`
`20:56.26`	`ckknight`	`so, if Gello deletes his posts, I will delete mine.`
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`20:56.31`	`gnorlish`	`it's hard to stop the crap when some people on both sides are elitist assholes`
`20:56.32`	`*** mode/#wowace [+o Kaelten] by ChanServ`
`20:56.38`	`thalie`	`lol gnorlish, so true`
`20:56.48`	`Tem`	`ckknight, gello appoligized`
`20:57.12`	`Tem`	`I talked to him`
`20:57.37`	`beerke`	`This story does not make sense.`
`20:57.51`	`Kaelten`	`hi guys, whats up?`
`20:57.57`	`thalie`	`um`
`20:57.59`	`Mikma`	`i still think he should either mod or delete the original post :P`
`20:57.59`	`ckknight`	`just because he apologized does not make it go away, if he deletes his posts, I will delete mine.`
`20:58.02`	`beerke`	`You want to make him delete his post, yet the other person apologizes and does not delete his post. What is he apologizing for then ?`
`20:58.06`	`thalie`	`gello bashes ace, ck beat him down, gello apologised`
`20:58.08`	`kergoth`	`oh that makes it all better then. spout a bunch of foundless nonsense which many will believe, but "oh i'm sorry" and yeah, that undoes it.`
`20:58.09`	`thalie`	`thats about it`
`20:58.20`	`ckknight`	`I have to go.`
`20:58.42`	`nymbia`	`kinda... he says The guiding principle of Ace is that everyone is too stupid to come up with their own solutions or write their own code. We're all friggin retards who need help parsing a slash handler." and then he says "There are some brilliant people involved with Ace who contribute a great deal to the UI community"`
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`20:58.45`	`ckknight`	`remember, I don't want internal conflict.`
`20:58.55`	`Mikma`	`ckknight: btw, you're a citizen now?`
`20:58.56`	`nymbia`	`in other words "you're all idiots cept for a few"`
`20:59.02`	`mjc`	`yay for running in short bursts through org`
`20:59.36`	`kergoth`	`laziness is a programmatic virtue. if gello cannot see the benefits of code reuse and a common framework, that's his loss`
`20:59.39`	`JoshBorke`	`nymbia: i read that as people who don't use ace are idiots. that in some way ace is insulting other mod authors to conform`
`20:59.50`	`Tem`	`Oh, you'll get your lack of internal conflict`
`20:59.56`	`Tem`	`one way or the other, you'll get it`
`21:00.09`	`Mikma`	`chickfight!`
`21:00.10`	`kergoth`	`i agree with ck, gello should delete his post.`
`21:00.31`	`nymbia`	`it's not a big deal tem =\`
`21:00.32`	`kergoth`	`his apology doesnt make his bullshit go away`
`21:01.40`	`haste`	`http://runboy.ytmnd.com/ << I laughed hard of that one :D`
`21:02.01`	`Mikma`	`haste: hasteypastey, gief us new addons`
`21:02.13`	`haste`	`Mikma: raiding, kinda hard`
`21:02.17`	`haste`	`Noth soon !`
`21:02.19`	`nymbia`	`lol`
`21:02.20`	`thalie`	`multitask`
`21:02.23`	`haste`	`I am :D`
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`21:02.31`	`thalie`	`l2multitask`
`21:02.40`	`thalie`	`there i feel like part of the gang now, i can l2`
`21:03.10`	`haste`	`Mikma: check that ytmnd tho'!`
`21:03.36`	`Mikma`	`haste: i did :D`
`21:03.43`	`Mikma`	`too bad that it lagged too much`
`21:04.11`	`haste`	`still owned :D`
`21:04.38`	`Mikma`	`i have to look at it again soon`
`21:04.47`	`Teomyr`	`lol`
`21:04.52`	`Mikma`	`i saw the most important things in that clip already tho ;)`
`21:04.54`	`Mikma`	`KY and ...`
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`21:05.45`	`thalie`	`haste - lol :)`
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`21:08.41`	`Grine`	`is it possible to make the FuBar background invisible?`
`21:08.48`	`JoshBorke`	`yes, look at transparency`
`21:08.58`	`Grine`	`I didn't download it yet :P`
`21:09.20`	`Grine`	`but thanks :) I'll try it then`
`21:09.47`	`Grine`	`been using InfoBar since forever`
`21:09.56`	`JoshBorke`	`Grine: hehe, i switched from infobar too :-)`
`21:10.03`	`odt`	`fubar is great, that's what got me into using ace`
`21:10.12`	`Xuerian`	`Same :)`
`21:10.46`	`Grine`	`I just want to get rid of my weaponbuffs and standalone durability frame...`
`21:11.24`	`odt`	`now the only non-ace addons i use are swstats, klhtreatmeter and felwood gatherer`
`21:11.49`	`gnorlish`	`i guess the t4 set bonuses are floating around in the newest patch file`
`21:12.10`	`Amadeo`	`gnorlish: Someone got a forum ban for posting it`
`21:12.16`	`Amadeo`	`so be careful :P`
`21:12.25`	`mjc`	`scraping content = bad`
`21:12.31`	`gnorlish`	`i don't post in wow forums`
`21:12.33`	`thalie`	`the only non-ace i use is theorycraft`
`21:12.37`	`gnorlish`	`they're a 99% waste of time`
`21:12.40`	`thalie`	`and most of the time i don't enable it`
`21:12.52`	`Tem`	`nymbia, no, it is a big deal`
`21:12.58`	`Amadeo`	`I use lots of addons, mainly the best of whatever I can find`
`21:13.02`	`Amadeo`	`Ace or non-Ace`
`21:13.05`	`kergoth`	`same here amadeo`
`21:13.11`	`Tem`	`spewing that kind of drivel on the main boards makes us all look bad`
`21:13.19`	`Tem`	`and makes me VIOLENTLY angry`
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`21:13.22`	`odt`	`i have 512mb ram, so ace was a blessing for me`
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`21:13.27`	`kergoth`	`right, whereas gello's drivel is just okay`
`21:13.30`	`odt`	`helped me to reduce my addon memory from 40 too 15`
`21:13.33`	`Tem`	`s/and m/and that m/`
`21:13.41`	`Mikma`	`Tem: gellos post wasn't that kind either :(`
`21:13.48`	`Tem`	`no it wasn't`
`21:13.54`	`Tem`	`which is why I contacted him`
`21:14.00`	`kergoth`	`so if ck has to delete his, so should gello`
`21:14.06`	`thalie`	`and it's still there, for everyone to read`
`21:14.09`	`phyber`	`Ace consolidated all of my outgoing monthly payments into one easy to manage payment. I couldn't live without it.`
`21:14.16`	`Kaelten`	`kergoth: but ck should take the highroad and do so first`
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`21:14.34`	`kergoth`	`i disagree, simply because i dont think gello will at all.`
`21:14.41`	`kergoth`	`if he was going to, he would have rather than posting a reply`
`21:14.44`	`mjc`	`phyber: haha`
`21:14.45`	`Mikma`	`Tem: i do agree that both should delete their posts. but the damage is already done in both ways since people have quoted them already`
`21:14.48`	`kergoth`	`clearly he wasnt, and didnt`
`21:15.24`	`Kaelten`	`well, at the same I can understand his feelings`
`21:15.54`	`Mikma`	`why all the hostality :(`
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`21:16.02`	`kergoth`	`i hope beladona never codes in C or C++`
`21:16.08`	`Mikma`	`make love not peace`
`21:16.12`	`pastamancer`	`kergoth: or java`
`21:16.14`	`kergoth`	`"Personally I write all my own libraries simply because I believe in a highly specialized library LONG before I believe in a blanket "swiss army knife" that has a lot of parts that will never get used. I also don't believe in publishing an addon of which I don't have complete and intimate knowledge of the inner workings. Leaving things up to a library I didn't write is anti-productive to my coding philosophy, but is not something I try to push`
`21:16.14`	`kergoth`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:16.22`	`Amadeo`	`kergoth: I used to like her porn videos`
`21:16.27`	`kergoth`	`pastamancer: indeed`
`21:16.31`	`thalie`	`ahahha amadeo`
`21:16.34`	`kergoth`	`better not use liblua either`
`21:16.46`	`pastamancer`	`kergoth: or perl, or python, or ...`
`21:16.48`	`kergoth`	`without intimate knowledge of what table.* and string.* do..`
`21:16.48`	`Amadeo`	`but that gap in her teeth always threw me off`
`21:17.02`	`kergoth`	`better not use wow's apis either for that matter, who knows what they do`
`21:17.21`	`Tem\|AFK`	`What gello said is irrelevant`
`21:18.07`	`Tem\|AFK`	`being an asshole on the forums when you are a representative of a larger group is NEVER acceptible behavior`
`21:18.07`	`Tem\|AFK`	`I'll be back later`
`21:18.07`	`Kaelten`	`Tem\|AFK: you're right.`
`21:18.07`	`Tem\|AFK`	`hopefully I'll be less pissed off`
`21:18.27`	`kergoth`	`if you expect people to sit back and have that sort of nonsense spread amongst the forums, you're sadly mistaken`
`21:18.38`	`kergoth`	`representative of a larger group or no`
`21:19.14`	`Tem\|AFK`	`no, I don't`
`21:19.17`	`thalie`	`especially from someone as highly respected (or at least he was) as gello`
`21:19.37`	`Tem\|AFK`	`but if you must defend it, you don't make a douchbag of yourself by spouting falsities`
`21:19.39`	`Antiarc`	`Saying "I only use libraries I write" seems really...idealistic and naieve. Which surprises me, because gello's work is consistently top-notch, and the vast majority of really good programmers I've encountered know the value of library re-use.`
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`21:20.06`	`gnorlish`	`am i mistaken or can people using ace's libraries simply look at them`
`21:20.07`	`Tem\|AFK`	`Antiarc, gello is bitter because of some old issues`
`21:20.12`	`gnorlish`	`thus seeing what they do.`
`21:20.17`	`Antiarc`	`Ah, ok`
`21:20.21`	`Antiarc`	`I guess I'm lacking some context.`
`21:20.26`	`pastamancer`	`I'm not entirely certain I see which part of ckk's post is offensive?`
`21:20.30`	`kergoth`	`context is irrelevent, gello should pull the stick out of his ass`
`21:20.34`	`Tem\|AFK`	`the part about it being lies?`
`21:20.35`	`kergoth`	`me neither`
`21:20.37`	`thalie`	`the part about "pulling numbers out of his ass" was kinda offensive :)`
`21:20.39`	`Saroz`	`indeed pastamancer`
`21:20.49`	`Tem\|AFK`	`anyway, I gotta go or I'll be late`
`21:20.50`	`thalie`	`the rest of it, i don't see it either`
`21:20.53`	`Tem\|AFK`	`later guys`
`21:20.53`	`Mikma`	`.. ""swiss army knife" that has a lot of parts that will never get used." ..`
`21:21.04`	`Saroz`	`cya Tem`
`21:21.09`	`Mikma`	`that's just wrong`
`21:21.24`	`Amadeo`	`I dunno, I never use my swiss army knife!`
`21:21.29`	`gnorlish`	`obviously the swiss army knife is all for show anyways`
`21:21.40`	`gnorlish`	`i use mine to enhance crotch bulge`
`21:21.45`	`Grine`	`bah get a straight sailors knife, you only need 2 tools...`
`21:21.50`	`thalie`	`"I may not like some of the theological or cannabilistic aspects"`
`21:21.54`	`Grine`	`knife+sailingneedle ftw`
`21:22.08`	`Grine`	`<3 that qoute thalie`
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`21:22.26`	`kergoth`	`i dunno, most ace evangelism i see nowadays comes from users, not the development team`
`21:22.37`	`kergoth`	`it isnt the dev team's responsibility to smack users back into sense`
`21:22.39`	`Antiarc`	`The thing about Ace is that is ISN'T a swiss army knife. It's a toolbox and you only have to include the tools you need.`
`21:22.49`	`Antiarc`	`The .NET framework is a swiss army knife.`
`21:22.54`	`thalie`	`and since i speak for every user, we f***ing love what ace2 does for us`
`21:23.22`	`Antiarc`	`I've done basically everything that Ace does on my own, and it's a royal PITA to reinvent the wheel with every new addon`
`21:23.33`	`Antiarc`	`It's approximately 1.6 billion times nicer to just get down to writing business logic.`
`21:23.34`	`phyber`	`yeah, if we wanted a toolbox, there's Toolbox-1.0 for that, dammit!`
`21:23.38`	`kergoth`	`hehe`
`21:23.40`	`thalie`	`giggle`
`21:24.07`	`phyber`	`I actually use Toolbox in an addon the other day. nice little functions there :)`
`21:24.08`	`thalie`	`gello replied again`
`21:24.08`	`kergoth`	`all i have to say is i'm glad i'm not in the wowi channel, or i'd be saying things to people that they wouldn't like to hear`
`21:24.12`	`nymbia`	`gello sez: "I'd delete my posts but I don't want the blame for the tone to fall elsewhere. I'll take all the blame. And see my apology higher up. "`
`21:24.27`	`Saroz`	`gello <3`
`21:24.56`	`thalie`	`clad is kinda pissed`
`21:25.19`	`Saroz`	`nothing new`
`21:25.25`	`thalie`	`;)`
`21:26.24`	`Xuerian`	`Yeah, I wondered about clad being pissed.... >.>`
`21:26.33`	`ckknight`	`back`
`21:26.36`	`nymbia`	`hi ck`
`21:26.41`	`kergoth`	`i sympathize with clad, i agree with him in being unhappy about the way some aspects of ace2 have ended up, mostly in some loss of simplicity and clarity in some of the libraries, but i still use it, as I see no point doing that much wheel reinvention unless the benefits are substantial, which they arent.`
`21:26.57`	`Xuerian`	`Welcome back Ck.`
`21:27.26`	`kergoth`	`clad doesnt think gello calling us all plaguarists wasnt too harsh?`
`21:27.34`	`haste`	`[Ammo]: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info4781-.html << the comment`
`21:27.36`	`Saroz`	`clad is clad`
`21:27.40`	`kergoth`	`sounds like clad's been drinking the koolaid again`
`21:27.42`	`phyber`	`does clad not like Ace anymore?`
`21:27.53`	`phyber`	`"As for my addons being listed here, you can take them off the list, they no longer use Ace-- seeing what it has become."`
`21:28.14`	`butteredpopcorn`	`kergoth: Gello didn't call all of you plagarists.`
`21:28.23`	`thalie`	`no, just most of them`
`21:28.30`	`nymbia`	`'most' is very close to 'all'`
`21:28.37`	`ckknight`	`yea, but he was really referring to me with regards to FuBar's plugins`
`21:28.47`	`butteredpopcorn`	`I don't read it as that.`
`21:28.57`	`butteredpopcorn`	`again if you read the words, not what you want to see, then its not wrong`
`21:28.58`	`ckknight`	`I've spoken to him about it before`
`21:29.03`	`butteredpopcorn`	`how many 100% original Ace mods are there?`
`21:29.06`	`butteredpopcorn`	`mine arne't.`
`21:29.07`	`ckknight`	`he's even spammed BagFu's comments about it, for example`
`21:29.09`	`butteredpopcorn`	`most of them aren't.`
`21:29.11`	`pastamancer`	`Grid`
`21:29.13`	`ckknight`	`butteredpopcorn, we stand on the shoulders of giants.`
`21:29.22`	`butteredpopcorn`	`indeed.`
`21:29.26`	`kergoth`	`originality with regard to concept is a lot different from originality when it comes to code`
`21:29.26`	`butteredpopcorn`	`bu thats why what he's saying isn't wrong.`
`21:29.31`	`butteredpopcorn`	`correct`
`21:29.52`	`kergoth`	`"Ironically, most Ace mods are copies of existing work done by others without the miraculous support of Ace."`
`21:29.52`	`kergoth`	`copy implies code.`
`21:29.52`	`kergoth`	`gello was talking out his ass.`
`21:29.52`	`butteredpopcorn`	`but he's clearly referring to the mods, not the code.`
`21:29.52`	`ckknight`	`phyber, I see clad's dissention as more of a personal issue than a technical one, but it's his decision`
`21:29.52`	`kergoth`	`plain and simple`
`21:29.52`	`butteredpopcorn`	`I disagree.`
`21:29.52`	`ckknight`	`guess how many lines of FuBar were taken from Titan.`
`21:29.53`	`ckknight`	`absolutely zero.`
`21:29.54`	`butteredpopcorn`	`0`
`21:29.55`	`butteredpopcorn`	`i know that.`
`21:29.57`	`butteredpopcorn`	`full well`
`21:30.03`	`butteredpopcorn`	`and the concept was taken from Titan`
`21:30.03`	`kergoth`	`perhaps you should get a dictionary. i, clearly, know what copy means.`
`21:30.06`	`butteredpopcorn`	`and you reinvented it.`
`21:30.08`	`ckknight`	`I do not support copyright infringement.`
`21:30.08`	`butteredpopcorn`	`i think that's great`
`21:30.18`	`ckknight`	`Titan was bloated and undocumented.`
`21:30.25`	`phyber`	`ckknight: ah. I just wondered. Noticed the new Clique doesn't use Ace and was confused.`
`21:30.27`	`ckknight`	`the second more important for what I was doing.`
`21:30.31`	`ckknight`	`phyber, yea, I know`
`21:30.35`	`ckknight`	`makes me want to write AceClique.`
`21:30.46`	`butteredpopcorn`	`why>?`
`21:30.48`	`ckknight`	`(jk)`
`21:30.49`	`kergoth`	`his new clique rocks as is, no point in making it ace2`
`21:30.49`	`butteredpopcorn`	`so you can code it worse than I did?`
`21:30.51`	`Kaelten`	`ckknight: that'd be asking to start shit and you know it`
`21:30.52`	`butteredpopcorn`	`=)`
`21:30.56`	`pastamancer`	`haha, clad would kill you`
`21:30.57`	`ckknight`	`I was just kidding.`
`21:30.57`	`Saroz`	`TBC's PerfectRaid doesn't use Ace either`
`21:31.06`	`butteredpopcorn`	`TBC doesnm't have a PerfectRaid yet`
`21:31.07`	`phyber`	`ckknight: haha, you can irritate both clad and tem at the same time with that one ;)`
`21:31.08`	`butteredpopcorn`	`(its only on my svn)`
`21:31.10`	`butteredpopcorn`	`but that's correct.`
`21:31.18`	`Saroz`	`butteredpopcorn, it's private - but it exists`
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`21:31.34`	`butteredpopcorn`	`Saroz: yes.. but i can guarantee that not a soul on earth other than me and Tem have it`
`21:31.42`	`butteredpopcorn`	`or else i've faile din life`
`21:31.45`	`butteredpopcorn`	`and should /gquit`
`21:31.46`	`butteredpopcorn`	`=)`
`21:31.47`	`kergoth`	`butteredpopcorn: the fact is, if a statement is open to that much interpretation, such as his statement about copying, then its clearly going to mislead the populace, which is the problem with posts like that one.`
`21:31.50`	`Mikma`	`PerfectRaid?`
`21:31.52`	`Baps`	`all I know is that in the last couple weeks I threw out almost all my old mods (titanbar, ctmod, etc) and tried to replace them all with ace2 versions where possible... my memory increasing rate USED to be between 50 KiB/s and 250 KiB/s, now it's usually`
`21:31.53`	`Mikma`	`we got grid!`
`21:31.56`	`Baps`	`less than 10 KiB/s`
`21:32.09`	`butteredpopcorn`	`kergoth: But his post was fueled by emotions, and you are reading it fueled by emotions.`
`21:32.11`	`Mikma`	`WHACK-A-PASTAMANCER!`
`21:32.18`	`butteredpopcorn`	`shrug`
`21:32.22`	`butteredpopcorn`	`i read it differently`
`21:32.32`	`butteredpopcorn`	`and that's okay, because I don't think the community is raging plagarists.`
`21:32.33`	`pastamancer`	`I almost re-invented AceModuleCore`
`21:32.39`	`ckknight`	`pastamancer, hrm?`
`21:32.43`	`Kaelten`	`I can imagine that other mod authors that don't use ace get bombarded at time with comments about ace and the constant stream of ace2 mods`
`21:32.52`	`kergoth`	`no, i'm reading it considering the impact on others. there's a reason i jump on people on irc here making incorrect statements, even unintentionally. i don't like people being mislead.`
`21:32.54`	`ckknight`	`Kaelten, k..`
`21:32.55`	`JoshBorke`	`yea! like me!`
`21:33.13`	`pastamancer`	`when I first started working on Grid, I had a more object-oriented concept for the grid modules`
`21:33.17`	`Saroz`	`butteredpopcorn, what's your usual nick?`
`21:33.23`	`butteredpopcorn`	`Cladhaire...`
`21:33.26`	`Kaelten`	`lol`
`21:33.37`	`Saroz`	`it all makes sense now`
`21:33.39`	`butteredpopcorn`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:33.40`	`butteredpopcorn`	`lol`
`21:33.47`	`Saroz`	`:)`
`21:33.54`	`butteredpopcorn`	`i'm on my cgi irc client, so i don't use clad there..`
`21:33.59`	`butteredpopcorn`	`now was I ever hiding.`
`21:34.00`	`butteredpopcorn`	`shrug`
`21:34.03`	`butteredpopcorn`	`but i gotta go to work`
`21:34.05`	`butteredpopcorn`	`err i mean go home`
`21:34.16`	`Saroz`	`heh`
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`21:35.17`	`vhaarr`	`People can say what they want about Ace2, but there are two facts that keep me using it: 1. It takes care of the hassle for me, leaving me to implement the actual addon instead of the meat, and 2. It makes the code easier to read and understand for other addon developers if they already know Ace2.`
`21:35.25`	`ckknight`	I don't know why he was so edgy. `<butteredpopcorn> so you can code it worse than I did?` I hope he realizes he's not the world's best coder, and that there is a slight possibility that I could make it better. Granted, I have no inclination, and it was a joke in the first place
`21:35.39`	`Mikma`	`ckknight: i=jnwhiteh@fairfax.dreamhost.com] has quit ("CGI:IRC 0.5.9 (2006/06/06)")`
`21:35.45`	`ckknight`	`I know it was clad.`
`21:35.52`	`vhaarr`	`Mikma: Hence the "he was".`
`21:36.06`	`Saroz`	`It's a damn shame, that's all I gotta say`
`21:36.08`	`kergoth`	`vhaarr: don't forget that using it makes your addon consistent with other addons in some behaviors. consider the use of aceoptions. consistency of configuration is a great benefit too`
`21:36.23`	`vhaarr`	`kergoth: That's covered by point 2, but yes.`
`21:36.23`	`kergoth`	`profiles support, etc. htats a big part of why i use it`
`21:36.26`	`ckknight`	`kergoth, that's why I started with ace in the first place.`
`21:36.32`	`ckknight`	`the consistency`
`21:36.38`	`kergoth`	`point 2 doesnt cover users, only addon developers, the way you worded it anyway`
`21:36.47`	`kergoth`	`configuration for hte user is improved`
`21:36.49`	`yacoob`	`cough profile support in fubar broken cough`
`21:36.50`	`vhaarr`	`ah indeed`
`21:36.53`	`Baps`	`I started with ace because it had support for suspend`
`21:36.59`	`ckknight`	`yacoob, your mom's broken.`
`21:37.00`	`JoshBorke`	`question: how do I disable an ace addon from another addon?`
`21:37.09`	`Baps`	`and the mod I was updating was unusable in raid settings`
`21:37.10`	`vhaarr`	`kergoth: Good point.`
`21:37.12`	`yacoob`	`ckknight, I told you the bug at least twice :)`
`21:37.18`	`ckknight`	`yacoob, srsly?`
`21:37.23`	`yacoob`	`yarly.`
`21:37.31`	`ckknight`	`hrm`
`21:37.35`	`yacoob`	`someone else too`
`21:37.40`	`Saroz`	`man I wish I could post on US forums, fucking EU interface forums is bullshit`
`21:37.51`	`yacoob`	`I'll poke you again, when I unfroze my account.`
`21:38.10`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`that's cause you guys haven't installed slouken-bot`
`21:38.15`	`Saroz`	`Aeus running around thinking he is uber addon CM and and the rest just wants to know "what's this addon"`
`21:38.17`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`US forums did, and it's great~!`
`21:38.52`	`ckknight`	`yacoob, what's borked?`
`21:39.01`	`vhaarr`	`So, I've been an idiot and I don't have my home directory on a separate partition, and now I want to move away from Ubuntu and to Fedora ... Anyone have a better solution than gzip'ing it all down and moving it to another computer? It would take ages .. ><`
`21:39.18`	`yacoob`	`ckknight, loading class or default profile for other character`
`21:39.38`	`krka_`	`vhaarr: ouch`
`21:39.44`	`vhaarr`	`indeed`
`21:39.45`	`Baps`	`vhaarr: how much data are we talking about?`
`21:39.48`	`krka_`	`you learn after a few reinstalls to put /home on a seperate partition :)`
`21:39.50`	`yacoob`	`ckknight, like, I create a new toon, and I want to load up my rogue's settings for starters. But the profile doesn't show up, whole 'load' entry is grayed out`
`21:39.51`	`Baps`	`1G 100G?`
`21:39.57`	`JoshBorke`	`vhaarr: log into knoppix, delete all other directories, don't reformat?`
`21:40.00`	`vhaarr`	`krka_: Suffice to say, I've learned it now.`
`21:40.02`	`ckknight`	`yacoob, you mean copy from?`
`21:40.10`	`krka_`	`yeah, what JoshBorke said`
`21:40.12`	`yacoob`	`yup`
`21:40.13`	`vhaarr`	`JoshBorke: Possible, although I am out of CD+RW's.`
`21:40.23`	`[FH]Birdemani`	`I asked this last night, was wondering if there is going to be a way to display all 40 debuffs come 2.0?`
`21:40.26`	`krka_`	`then resize the main partition to create space for a root`
`21:40.26`	`vhaarr`	`Baps: A lot.`
`21:40.32`	`krka_`	`the main then becomes /home`
`21:40.36`	`vhaarr`	`ah`
`21:40.38`	`vhaarr`	`I can do that.`
`21:40.40`	`ckknight`	`yacoob, copy from is odd, it only works for level-to-level, so you can copy a class profile to a class profile and such.`
`21:40.40`	`JoshBorke`	`or find a shudder floppy`
`21:40.44`	`vhaarr`	`JoshBorke: lol`
`21:40.51`	`vhaarr`	`JoshBorke: I don't even have a floppy drive :P`
`21:40.53`	`*** part/#wowace Esamynn (n=jbcc@207.6.94.35)`
`21:40.59`	`JoshBorke`	`you'll need to find one of those too`
`21:41.02`	`JoshBorke`	`;-)`
`21:41.04`	`vhaarr`	`^^`
`21:41.16`	`krka_`	`network boot or boot from usb?`
`21:41.20`	`JoshBorke`	`how do I disable an ace addon from another addon?`
`21:41.23`	`yacoob`	`ckknight, quirky. Bug or feature?`
`21:41.26`	`vhaarr`	`Does Fedora suck as well, should I just jump right to gentoo or something?`
`21:41.32`	`ckknight`	`yacoob, somewhere in the middle.`
`21:41.35`	`krka_`	`actually.. how much free space do you have on your main?`
`21:41.48`	`Baps`	`I use fedora.. but I've been using redhat since like 5.0`
`21:41.48`	`krka_`	`could just free up enough to get a root partition`
`21:41.48`	`ckknight`	`it was designed that way, but it may be poorly thought out.`
`21:41.48`	`yacoob`	`vhaarr, don't go gentoo, unless you want to save on heating :)`
`21:41.48`	`nevcairiel`	`I shouldnt have started that Bartender3 thread.`
`21:41.49`	`krka_`	`i only use 5 gig for my / atm`
`21:41.54`	`Mikma`	`nevcairiel: muahaa`
`21:41.56`	`Mikma`	`nevcairiel: delete it`
`21:42.01`	`vhaarr`	`krka_: I have alot of free space.`
`21:42.12`	`yacoob`	`ckknight, any chance to have it flattened out?`
`21:42.17`	`FtH\|eagle`	`what's wrong with ubuntu?`
`21:42.18`	`krka_`	`there you go, just create a new root partition from that then`
`21:42.21`	`ckknight`	`mmm... I have no inclination.`
`21:42.27`	`krka_`	`ubuntu is nice :)`
`21:42.29`	`krka_`	`<-- ubuntu user`
`21:42.59`	`vhaarr`	`It's not nice, that's why I want to move away from it.`
`21:43.03`	`*** join/#wowace MoonWolf (i=moonwolf@g173217.upc-g.chello.nl)`
`21:43.03`	`*** mode/#wowace [+o MoonWolf] by ChanServ`
`21:43.06`	`FtH\|eagle`	`reason?`
`21:43.08`	`Mikma`	`let's make a "WE ARE THE BEST!" post on wowace forums`
`21:43.08`	`krka_`	`not nice? O_o`
`21:43.23`	`krka_`	`how about debian unstable then?`
`21:43.25`	`MoonWolf`	`lets not make a post then moonwolf is going to delete.`
`21:43.39`	`ckknight`	`Mikma, nah, that's too subtle "EVERYONE ELSE SUCKS" is much more effective.`
`21:43.50`	`vhaarr`	`I used Debian unstable for a few years, but it was not polished enough for me, so I moved to Ubuntu.`
`21:43.56`	`Mikma`	`ckknight: you are right`
`21:43.59`	`Mikma`	`bye cia`
`21:44.07`	`vhaarr`	`MoonWolf: omgz link`
`21:44.19`	`sylvanaar`	`yacoob: cant you just create the matching profile then use the copy settings from option`
`21:44.27`	`nevcairiel`	`ubuntu was based on deb, right?`
`21:44.34`	`Industrial`	`Anyone logged then clad-Gello conversation that apparently happened`
`21:44.36`	`vhaarr`	`It is based on debian.`
`21:44.40`	`vhaarr`	`Not was.`
`21:44.44`	`nevcairiel`	`whatever :)`
`21:44.47`	`Industrial`	`I read up a bit here but its way to far up on the wowi chan`
`21:44.50`	`yacoob`	`vhaarr, I did the same, moved to kubuntu :)`
`21:44.55`	`phyber`	`vhaarr: slackware, gogogo.`
`21:44.58`	`Industrial`	`apparently i missed something :(`
`21:45.01`	`yacoob`	`sylvanaar, that's workaround :)`
`21:45.04`	`vhaarr`	`:P`
`21:45.13`	`nevcairiel`	`how is the package base ? updated regularly somewhat like gentoo?`
`21:45.26`	`vhaarr`	`If you run the devel repo, yes.`
`21:45.28`	`Industrial`	`phyber: archlinux.org gogogo`
`21:45.29`	`krka_`	`i rarely if ever get updates in ubuntu`
`21:45.30`	`FtH\|eagle`	`vhaarr: but in which way not polished enough?`
`21:45.31`	`Neronix`	`Industrial: purl logs every channel it's in`
`21:45.36`	`krka_`	`debian unstable was daily O_o`
`21:45.43`	`Industrial`	`Neronix: ok`
`21:45.50`	`yacoob`	`krka_, well, it's supposed NOT to have much updates`
`21:45.52`	`JoshBorke`	`how do I disable an ace addon from another addon?`
`21:45.53`	`sylvanaar`	`yacoob: what would the solution be`
`21:45.55`	`krka_`	`i think upstart is a great idea`
`21:45.55`	`vhaarr`	`FtH\|eagle: Debian? It's just a package dump, it doesn't focus on making an integrated experience.`
`21:45.56`	`nevcairiel`	`oh the beta patch is out`
`21:46.01`	`krka_`	`works fine, think it'll get even better too`
`21:46.02`	`phyber`	`Industrial: going!!`
`21:46.09`	`FtH\|eagle`	`Talking about your ubuntu experience`
`21:46.14`	`yacoob`	`sylvanaar, free copying, from all possible profiles :)`
`21:46.18`	`nevcairiel`	`2.0.2.6144 .. isnt that the PTR build?`
`21:46.21`	`Mikma`	`nevcairiel: you can delete the Bartender3 post you made...`
`21:46.24`	`vhaarr`	`FtH\|eagle: Ubuntu was polished enough, it just couldn't handle basic hardware changes.`
`21:46.27`	`krka_`	`ubuntu is a bit too anal about freedom for my taste though`
`21:46.29`	`vhaarr`	`FtH\|eagle: Like a mouse switch.`
`21:46.34`	`Industrial`	`phyber: used to use slack but went to arch few yrs back`
`21:46.40`	`yacoob`	`krka_, UBUNTU?`
`21:46.40`	`nevcairiel`	`Mikma: too late now, they know about it`
`21:46.47`	`yacoob`	`krka_, you meant debian, for sure...?`
`21:46.56`	`yacoob`	`krka_, like, not having firefox, but iceweasel`
`21:47.10`	`FtH\|eagle`	`Hm, I plugged in some mouses in my notebook and all were working out of the box`
`21:47.20`	`Industrial`	`JoshBorke: /ace2`
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`21:47.37`	`FtH\|eagle`	`I'm just asking because I'm recommending ubuntu/kubuntu to my company and writing a document about migration`
`21:47.42`	`krka_`	`ubuntu is almost as freedom focused`
`21:47.58`	`vhaarr`	`FtH\|eagle: My parents still use it, it's good enough for them.`
`21:47.58`	`Industrial`	`FtH\|eagle: tbh its a very personal choice. like religion`
`21:48.00`	`FtH\|eagle`	`I'm using ubuntu myself, but hearing other experiences is always good :)`
`21:48.12`	`sylvanaar`	`yacoob: profile 'types' dont even make sense to me, only the underlying data can be scoped not the whole profile`
`21:48.12`	`Mikma`	`nevcairiel: yes but it can still vanish and you can have no comments about it`
`21:48.16`	`vhaarr`	`FtH\|eagle: indeed`
`21:48.18`	`FtH\|eagle`	`Industrial: I disagree, not for a company`
`21:48.19`	`Industrial`	`FtH\|eagle: but it depends on the user. Ubuntu for workstations is just fine`
`21:48.27`	`phyber`	`yacoob: Debian also has Ice Dove instead of Thunderbird.`
`21:48.37`	`nevcairiel`	`Mikma: maybe some good idea will come from that afterall`
`21:48.39`	`Industrial`	`FtH\|eagle: more then fine, actually`
`21:48.45`	`phyber`	`came in my upgrade the other day ;) funny stuff.`
`21:48.54`	`Mikma`	`nevcairiel: yeah, but all i see is common crap asked from BT2 over and over`
`21:48.58`	`Industrial`	`FtH\|eagle: But I would use something else for a server personally`
`21:49.01`	`Mikma`	`nevcairiel: haven't seen any good ideas in there yet`
`21:49.05`	`FtH\|eagle`	`not on the server side`
`21:49.08`	`FtH\|eagle`	`they want to switch all clients`
`21:49.15`	`yacoob`	`Industrial, and I want to test ubuntu on next server`
`21:49.18`	`FtH\|eagle`	`They wouldn't use ms servers anyway :P`
`21:49.22`	`Industrial`	`\o/`
`21:49.24`	`Industrial`	`_o_`
`21:49.26`	`Industrial`	`\o/`
`21:49.28`	`Industrial`	`-o_`
`21:49.31`	`Industrial`	`err`
`21:49.33`	`Industrial`	`lol`
`21:49.40`	`Mikma`	`pierced head`
`21:49.41`	`yacoob`	`because, unstable is way too unreliable, stable is crufty old, testing has security flaw built in by design :D`
`21:49.46`	`nevcairiel`	`what distro would you recommend for servers then?`
`21:49.53`	`yacoob`	`(and one must use stable + backports)`
`21:50.02`	`FtH\|eagle`	`debian stable`
`21:50.02`	`Mikma`	`nevcairiel: debian! :P`
`21:50.10`	`yacoob`	`nevcairiel, right now I'm using stable + backports. But I was thinking about testing ubuntu`
`21:50.11`	`vhaarr`	`debian stable rocks for servers`
`21:50.15`	`Industrial`	`debian, arch, etc`
`21:50.16`	`Teomyr`	`debian. not too hard to manage :D`
`21:50.24`	`yacoob`	`vhaarr, unless you need some new stuff`
`21:50.32`	`vhaarr`	`who needs new stuff ^^`
`21:50.34`	`yacoob`	`like php5, new postgresql, you know`
`21:50.36`	`nevcairiel`	`debian stable is too outdated like all the time .. using backports for everything sucks :(`
`21:50.38`	`yacoob`	`PEOPLE :)`
`21:50.43`	`vhaarr`	`:P`
`21:50.56`	`yacoob`	`plus, using backports basically defeats its main advantage`
`21:50.56`	`nevcairiel`	`we run debian stable now.`
`21:50.59`	`yacoob`	`secure updates`
`21:51.23`	`nevcairiel`	`debian stable with dotdeb.org backports .. dunno .. we just need php5 and mysql 4.1 for some web projects`
`21:51.30`	`yacoob`	`vhaarr, don't get me wrong, I love the idea of debian, I like utilities, and packaging system. It's just that debian projects seems to be more and more detached from realite`
`21:51.39`	`yacoob`	`s/realite/reality/`
`21:51.55`	`Mikma`	`nevcairiel: "round buttons", "sticky frames", "more bars"`
`21:52.02`	`vhaarr`	`I don't pay attention to debian any more, I used to when operating servers back in the day.`
`21:52.06`	`vhaarr`	`I have no idea what they're up to.`
`21:52.13`	`yacoob`	`world domination, fast...`
`21:52.16`	`yacoob`	`er, wait.`
`21:52.16`	`vhaarr`	`:P`
`21:52.22`	`*** join/#wowace hashar (n=Ashar@82.235.72.89)`
`21:52.28`	`yacoob`	`there's much lag in debian`
`21:52.34`	`[FH]Birdemani`	`http://forums.elitistjerks.com/viewtopic.php?id=9343`
`21:52.38`	`yacoob`	`apparently project leaders are not doing enough`
`21:52.47`	`[FH]Birdemani`	`actual formula for rage generation/nerf`
`21:53.04`	`yacoob`	`ubuntu builds on debian, and gives you neatly integrated product`
`21:53.07`	`Industrial`	`kergoth: pm`
`21:53.18`	`yacoob`	`it still has some quirks, and has all disadvantages of using linux, but it's decent work`
`21:53.32`	`hashar`	`it s cause of the release cycle yacoob`
`21:53.44`	`hashar`	`debian is slow cause it want "stable" to get 0 bugs`
`21:53.55`	`yacoob`	`hashar, but of course, but do you know that each time they say "this time will be faster"`
`21:53.57`	`hashar`	`but by the time bugs are corrected, the product is "obsolete"`
`21:54.01`	`yacoob`	`and they are not`
`21:54.03`	`hashar`	`:))`
`21:54.12`	`hashar`	`i use debian stable for my servers :)`
`21:54.12`	`yacoob`	`also, number of architectures was reduced after last stable...`
`21:54.19`	`yacoob`	`...which didn't help a bit apparently :(`
`21:54.19`	`hashar`	`but desktop users should use testing`
`21:54.20`	`Mikma`	`are the testservers down?`
`21:54.21`	`phyber`	`yacoob: I guess that's because they don't control the rate that other people put bugs in their software. d'oh!`
`21:54.23`	`hashar`	`or get ubuntu`
`21:54.46`	`yacoob`	`hashar, testing is evil`
`21:54.54`	`yacoob`	`and there are two reasons`
`21:55.30`	`nymbia`	`Xuerian: good post`
`21:55.43`	`vhaarr`	`What post?`
`21:55.48`	`FtH\|eagle`	`What would you say is better for users used to windows and have to switch to linux? kde or gnome?`
`21:55.48`	`nymbia`	`http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=46950703&sid=1`
`21:56.04`	`ckknight`	`FtH\|eagle, I'm a Gnome fan.`
`21:56.18`	`FtH\|eagle`	`same for me, but I tend to choose kubuntu`
`21:57.00`	`yacoob`	`hashar, first, there's no security in testing`
`21:57.09`	`hashar`	`FtH\|eagle, i would say kde , it s just like windows with more options. Gnome looks more like mac os`
`21:57.10`	`Xuerian`	`nymbia: =j`
`21:57.15`	`hashar`	`yacoob, oh yes security : /`
`21:57.21`	`yacoob`	`like, stable gets fixes. Backported from unstable, or just for those versions. Unstable gets fixes by design.`
`21:57.29`	`yacoob`	`Testing gets fixed after two weeks`
`21:57.31`	`FtH\|eagle`	`It's really hard to tell that from my point of view, I never liked kde and always used gnome`
`21:57.34`	`yacoob`	`it's a strong 'nono'`
`21:57.43`	`yacoob`	`second, testing is moving target`
`21:57.48`	`yacoob`	`which could kill inexperienced user`
`21:57.56`	`hashar`	`completly :)`
`21:58.04`	`yacoob`	`lemme give you an example: new xorg -> new fglrx -> major fuckup with each release`
`21:58.10`	`yacoob`	`no way of staying down`
`21:58.11`	`hashar`	`so ubuntu is probably the best choice at the momment`
`21:58.14`	`ckknight`	`nice post, Xuerian`
`21:58.36`	`hashar`	`yacoob, i crashed my desktop when upgrading to xorg :)))`
`21:58.38`	`yacoob`	`and as for me, I like kde more. It seems to have better inoperability, within`
`21:58.58`	`hashar`	`i use kde at work, but it just got one button : xfce-terminal :)`
`21:59.05`	`hashar`	`at home i use xfce with terminals :p`
`21:59.21`	`hashar`	`or windows when i wanna play :o)))`
`21:59.39`	`kergoth`	`i disagree. the kde folks are strongly against most of the desktop standardization efforts just because one of the libs happens to use glib, for example. (referring to the freedesktop.org work)`
`21:59.40`	`FtH\|eagle`	`Just tried xfce once, I had the feeling to use a slim-downed gnome environment`
`21:59.59`	`yacoob`	`kergoth, really?`
`22:00.17`	`kergoth`	`that's what i've heard. maybe its improved since`
`22:00.24`	`yacoob`	`but they're switching to dbus, from dcop`
`22:00.25`	`DrDre`	`geez`
`22:00.32`	`kergoth`	`finally`
`22:00.33`	`kergoth`	`:)`
`22:00.35`	`DrDre`	`im shit talking a big member of the guild trying to get kicked`
`22:00.37`	`DrDre`	`and they wont kick me`
`22:00.44`	`DrDre`	`guess i gotta /gquit :(`
`22:01.00`	`hashar`	`FtH\|eagle, xfce is good for slow computer ) or when you want a fast gui`
`22:01.02`	`nevcairiel`	`lol`
`22:01.38`	`FtH\|eagle`	`yeah I know, but if you have a good one, you should stick to another window manager`
`22:01.44`	`hashar`	`and i just need the same icons over and over : firefox , thunderbird, xchat, terminal, xmms`
`22:01.48`	`phyber`	`DrDre: is he one of those reasonable types that when you call him a "donkey raping shit eater" he's just like "well, I guess I can be sometimes."`
`22:01.56`	`pastamancer`	`<3 quartz-wm`
`22:02.03`	`DrDre`	`hmm`
`22:02.03`	`yacoob`	`and all lisp`
`22:02.10`	`kergoth`	`i was shit talking a major member (one of the founding members) of my guild the other day`
`22:02.15`	`DrDre`	`i dunno`
`22:02.16`	`DrDre`	`hes jus a dick`
`22:02.21`	`DrDre`	`and the reason ima leave the guild`
`22:02.24`	`DrDre`	`he shit talks everyone`
`22:02.28`	`DrDre`	`so im shit talking him back`
`22:02.30`	`yacoob`	`http://hell.pl/yacoob/sakwa/sawfish/akuku.jl ph34r my l33t parenthesis skill!`
`22:02.59`	`hashar`	`you should try lisp )`
`22:03.10`	`yacoob`	`it's fun to write in :)`
`22:03.22`	`yacoob`	`and you can scare kids with that :)`
`22:03.29`	`*** join/#wowace kovi (i=x@81.209.175.219)`
`22:03.46`	`pastamancer`	`lisp is exciting`
`22:04.09`	`kergoth`	`<PROTECTED>`
`22:04.21`	`yacoob`	`lies!`
`22:04.27`	`hashar`	`rofl`
`22:04.35`	`Teomyr`	`lol`
`22:04.40`	`pastamancer`	`I think that award goes to TECO`
`22:04.43`	`hashar`	`i hate arrays & hashes in perl`
`22:04.55`	`yacoob`	`pastamancer, seen whitespace? or brainfuck? (or ook?)`
`22:04.55`	`haste`	`Mikma: what does "Ei kannata irssata liian my�h�� ku �iti voi saada sut kiinni" mean :D ?`
`22:05.04`	`hashar`	`foreach my $foo (keys $somehash) { print $somehash{$foo}; } :(`
`22:05.07`	`kergoth`	`i hate how it intreprets something different based on context. $ vs @ and all. its fugly`
`22:05.07`	`haste`	`Mikma: I was told that my bot owned me in finnish :(`
`22:05.12`	`pastamancer`	`yacoob: those were intentially designed to be asshole languages`
`22:05.25`	`yacoob`	`pastamancer, how about PROLOG?`
`22:05.28`	`yacoob`	`Or, hehe Ada.`
`22:05.30`	`hashar`	`or foreach my $foo (values $somehash) { print $foo }`
`22:05.41`	`yacoob`	`People earn big $ writting in Ada.`
`22:05.48`	`hashar`	`% rocks`
`22:05.48`	`pastamancer`	`I could see APL competing with TECO on unreadability`
`22:05.51`	`usz`	`yacoob, dont say that name close to me`
`22:06.04`	`yacoob`	`usz, bad memories? images come back?`
`22:06.24`	`yacoob`	`The language looks neat, but I had worst book/course ever`
`22:06.25`	`Mikma`	`haste: it means: "you shouldn't irc/irssi too late because your mom may catch you"`
`22:06.29`	`usz`	`yacoob, well i liked labs from prolog, still lecture was hell as it was pure math+logics...`
`22:06.34`	`haste`	`Mikma: haha`
`22:06.45`	`krka_`	`haskell ftw`
`22:06.45`	`pastamancer`	`yacoob: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Text_Editor_and_Corrector#Example_TECO_programs`
`22:06.51`	`usz`	`i really liked Prolog, Ocaml and even Smalltalk, all the fun staff when you can learn things as they are`
`22:06.56`	`yacoob`	`Applescript is funny :)`
`22:07.01`	`pastamancer`	`damnit, I still haven't gotten around to playing with haskell`
`22:07.18`	`yacoob`	`pastamancer, looks pretty line noseish to me :)`
`22:07.28`	`Teomyr`	`brainfuck! yeah :D`
`22:07.29`	`hashar`	`my next language will be ruby`
`22:07.45`	`usz`	`yacoob, execution of programs as unification of terms is really nice idea and only that :)`
`22:07.46`	`pastamancer`	`yacoob: exactly, except it wasn't intentionally designed to be unreadable`
`22:08.11`	`Mikma`	`downloading update`
`22:08.26`	`Mikma`	`55.1MB, 2.0.2.6108 -> 2.0.2.6144`
`22:08.38`	`ckknight`	`patch out?`
`22:08.41`	`*** join/#wowace cladhaire (n=jnwhiteh@cpe-69-202-110-177.twcny.res.rr.com)`
`22:08.41`	`*** mode/#wowace [+o cladhaire] by ChanServ`
`22:08.48`	`Mikma`	`seems like it is out`
`22:08.51`	`ckknight`	`hrm`
`22:08.55`	`Mikma`	`atleast i'm downloading it now :)`
`22:08.58`	`ckknight`	`I can't download it for like 8 hours.`
`22:09.00`	`ckknight`	`um.`
`22:09.04`	`nymbia`	`yeah it's up`
`22:09.05`	`ckknight`	`could I get it off someone?`
`22:09.22`	`Teomyr`	`in case anyone needs the enGB client, i have a http mirror`
`22:09.25`	`nymbia`	`30.3 megs`
`22:09.25`	`ckknight`	`enUS here`
`22:09.41`	`Mikma`	`ckknight: assclown :( you left us and went to play on US again`
`22:09.46`	`ckknight`	`sorry, guy`
`22:09.53`	`Mikma`	`~emulate ckknight`
`22:09.55`	`purl`	`f*ck you, guy`
`22:09.57`	`ckknight`	`I could hop on my EU account if needed ;-)`
`22:09.59`	`nevcairiel`	`lol`
`22:10.18`	`nevcairiel`	`patch installed, newest framexml extracted, just need the servers back`
`22:10.36`	`ckknight`	`nymbia, any chance you could send that to me? ;-)`
`22:10.40`	`Mikma`	`i should release some addon with different name in WoWI just to get another key for my wife hehe`
`22:10.49`	`ckknight`	`basically, I'd need to download it somewhere`
`22:10.53`	`ckknight`	`I'm behind a NAT here.`
`22:11.02`	`Teomyr`	`Mikma: my friends suggested that to me too :D`
`22:11.04`	`Mikma`	`(different name = not with Mikma)`
`22:11.05`	`nymbia`	`ckknight: sure.. got a preference of where i mirror it?`
`22:11.09`	`ckknight`	`nymbia, not really.`
`22:11.17`	`nymbia`	`ok`
`22:11.18`	`nevcairiel`	`turn of the p2p mode in the downloader and try the http mirror from blizzard :)`
`22:11.25`	`ckknight`	`nevcairiel, will try.`
`22:11.50`	`nevcairiel`	`its their last fallback for people behind a nat`
`22:11.51`	`nymbia`	`that's usually pretty slow when there's more than 3 people downloading it`
`22:11.51`	`*** join/#wowace steino (n=stein-iv@ti531210a080-6869.bb.online.no)`
`22:12.13`	`nevcairiel`	`yea .. it tends to be slow`
`22:12.25`	`ckknight`	`6 KiB/s`
`22:12.34`	`ckknight`	`now 2`
`22:13.08`	`nevcairiel`	`better get some mirror .)`
`22:13.09`	`Teomyr`	`have a .torrent for it? maybe i can put it on my dedicated`
`22:14.10`	`Amadeo`	`that slow?`
`22:14.13`	`Amadeo`	`my US patch is flying`
`22:14.20`	`*** part/#wowace cladhaire (n=jnwhiteh@cpe-69-202-110-177.twcny.res.rr.com)`
`22:14.22`	`ckknight`	`Amadeo, behind a nat, have to direct download`
`22:14.24`	`Amadeo`	`I just started it...be done in a minute`
`22:14.33`	`Amadeo`	`oh :(`
`22:14.39`	`ckknight`	`someone should mirror it for me ;-)`
`22:14.50`	`nymbia`	`got it going, 30% up`
`22:14.54`	`ckknight`	`oh, okay`
`22:14.56`	`ckknight`	`coolness.`
`22:14.57`	`nevcairiel`	`i could mirror the enGB, which is 20MiB bigger :D`
`22:14.59`	`Amadeo`	`nymbia :)`
`22:15.29`	`Amadeo`	`20MB bigger?`
`22:15.36`	`Amadeo`	`EU = Bloated!`
`22:15.39`	`nymbia`	`that's weird`
`22:15.40`	`Amadeo`	`hehe`
`22:16.05`	`phyber`	`Teomyr: I could really use a link to that client.`
`22:16.05`	`pastamancer`	`it's bigger because of their accent`
`22:16.05`	`phyber`	`I gave a friend my second beta key, but their NAT is screwed so it downloads torrents real slow :/`
`22:16.05`	`Teomyr`	`phyber: the enGB one?`
`22:16.08`	`phyber`	`Teomyr: yup.`
`22:16.25`	`Teomyr`	`phyber: http://vs157092.vserver.de/wow/WoW-2.0.2.6108-to-2.0.2.6144-enGB-patch.exe`
`22:16.30`	`nevcairiel`	`I've no Idea why its bigger.`
`22:16.39`	`nevcairiel`	`but its like 53mb`
`22:16.40`	`kergoth`	`woot, blizz fixed the issue with scan.dll under cedega`
`22:16.43`	`kergoth`	`dont have to fuck with perms anymore`
`22:17.49`	`phyber`	`Teomyr: ahh, patch. I tought you meant, client like, THE client ;)`
`22:18.08`	`nymbia`	`ckknight (and anyone else that's interested): http://midnightraiders.nrgservers.net/WoW-2.0.2.6108-to-2.0.2.6144-enUS-patch.exe`
`22:18.16`	`phyber`	`but, nice link. since I need that patch :)`
`22:18.17`	`phyber`	`thanks.`
`22:18.26`	`nymbia`	`(it's my guild's ventrilo FTP, so i dunno how much traffic it can take)`
`22:18.37`	`Teomyr`	`phyber: :D`
`22:18.42`	`Mikma`	`where are the new patch-notes :(`
`22:18.46`	`Antiarc`	`Are there notes for it?`
`22:18.50`	`Antiarc`	`Yeah, what Mikma said.`
`22:18.55`	`*** join/#wowace CIA-17 (i=cia@cia.navi.cx)`
`22:19.14`	`sylvanaar`	`http://beta.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=560370&sid=1`
`22:19.18`	`Arrowmaster`	`sweet finally got transfered to PTR, now to wait 4 fucking days for it to finish transfering`
`22:19.22`	`Snago`	`Naxx is cool! :D`
`22:19.47`	`Snago`	`just went there for the first time :)`
`22:20.15`	`phyber`	`Snago: nice :)`
`22:20.18`	`Amadeo`	`get anything??`
`22:20.18`	`Mikma`	`old patchnotes`
`22:20.37`	`Snago`	`repairbills :P`
`22:20.45`	`Amadeo`	`hehe`
`22:20.50`	`sylvanaar`	`look at the date on them`
`22:21.01`	`ckknight`	`sylvanaar, old notes.`
`22:21.12`	`ckknight`	`:-P`
`22:21.13`	`Snago`	`that anal'rectal-guy is pretty though :P`
`22:23.01`	`phyber`	`we haven't killed him yet, we can only do Razouvious.`
`22:23.21`	`sylvanaar`	`ckknight: they have been edited`
`22:23.39`	`ckknight`	`sylvanaar, not since last time.`
`22:23.50`	`ckknight`	`that I could see.`
`22:24.11`	`Mikma`	`11/09/06`
`22:24.15`	`Mikma`	`not that new...`
`22:24.47`	`sylvanaar`	`im just reading out of the google cache`
`22:29.07`	`ckknight`	`off to class.`
`22:29.33`	`nevcairiel`	`some CM said that its only a bugfix push and would not have a changelog.`
`22:30.15`	`nevcairiel`	`" In this case however this is a bug fix push so there are no notes to put up with it. "`
`22:30.40`	`Antiarc`	`...a 56mb bug fix push?`
`22:30.45`	`Antiarc`	`That's a lot of fixed terrain.`
`22:30.57`	`Tain`	`That's enough to squish Mothra.`
`22:31.14`	`nevcairiel`	`its basicly the patch to update the beta to the PTR build`
`22:31.24`	`nevcairiel`	`so nothing new :)`
`22:32.43`	ag`	`no notes and servers not up yet:(`
`22:33.14`	`pastamancer`	`the mac enUS patch is only 32.3 MB`
`22:33.18`	`Mikma`	ag`: yeah but new patch = MORE HOPE!
`22:33.27`	`nevcairiel`	`the enGB is 53 MB, whyever`
`22:33.28`	`Mikma`	`pastamancer: aww :P enGB ti's 55.1MB`
`22:33.35`	`Mikma`	`tits`
`22:33.41`	`Antiarc`	`I thought that the PTR was behind Beta?`
`22:33.49`	`yacoob`	`Mikma, abandon all hope, you who enters TBC!`
`22:33.51`	`pastamancer`	`it's because of all the extra 'u's in colour :p`
`22:34.03`	`Mikma`	`noeoeoeoeoeoeees /flee`
`22:34.17`	`yacoob`	`wait, tits?`
`22:34.28`	`nevcairiel`	`Antiarc: the PTR is on 2.0.1.6144 .. now Beta is on 2.0.2.6144 .. guess the build is the real version number`
`22:34.44`	`Antiarc`	`shrug`
`22:35.40`	`nevcairiel`	`anyway, i am off, nite`
`22:35.58`	`Mikma`	`http://www.curse-gaming.com/en/wow/addons-5778-1-tits-tactics-is-the-shit.html`
`22:36.00`	`Mikma`	`tits`
`22:38.46`	`Azurewrath`	`nice addon name ;)`
`22:39.31`	`*** join/#wowace Arrowmaster (i=Arrow@cpe-24-209-111-105.woh.res.rr.com)`
`22:40.10`	`kergoth`	`phyber: any luck on the instance notes for cartographer? i didnt have a chance to mess with it myself`
`22:41.44`	`phyber`	`me neither. raiding BWL at the moment.`
`22:42.03`	`phyber`	`also, bit difficult with Cartographer not behaving right now ;)`
`22:42.18`	`Mikma`	`damnit Tekkub, locked down a good thread :P can't reply "did you like it" in there :I(`
`22:42.32`	`phyber`	`kergoth: http://cardboardium.com/sshots/WoWScrnShot_111606_194834.jpg`
`22:44.21`	`phyber`	`bah, I hate this Ebonroc fight when the tanks are new to it.`
`22:44.27`	`phyber`	`taunting on the shadow sucks :/`
`22:44.41`	`Mikma`	`sucks like toothless granny`
`22:49.53`	`kergoth`	`phyber: erk, that looks broken`
`22:51.33`	`phyber`	`kergoth: yup. only happens on instance maps, world map is fine.`
`22:51.49`	`phyber`	`was fine yesterday, so it's something ckk commited overnight.`
`22:52.10`	`Mikma`	`why does all my items say (Unk) :D`
`22:52.31`	`Mikma`	`Crafted by Goblin Engineering (Unk)`
`22:53.02`	`phyber`	`Unknown`
`22:53.06`	`phyber`	`unknown level`
`22:53.14`	`Mikma`	`oh right`
`22:57.31`	`phyber`	`ugh, lazy blizzard. in the room where you fight the drakes in BWL, there are those vats at the side with the red liquid in them`
`22:57.32`	`Industrial`	`http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=3070.new#new`
`22:57.33`	`Industrial`	`should i edit that?`
`22:57.43`	`phyber`	`at the bottom there is a fan, the animation on it sucks`
`22:57.53`	`phyber`	`it rotates a little then snaps back into the first part of the animation`
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`22:59.15`	`pastamancer`	`Industrial: ninja editing is imba!`
`22:59.39`	`Mikma`	`secret agent`
`23:00.25`	`Mikma`	`Industrial: your post prolly gets edited/deleted`
`23:01.35`	`haste`	`Industrial: you forgot that being ace'd doesn't equal better :)`
`23:02.24`	`phyber`	`Industrial: hahaha. your sig is great :D`
`23:03.45`	`Industrial`	`oh wait haste lemme edit that`
`23:03.46`	`Azurewrath`	`mhm.. wtf is a Haiku? :)`
`23:04.01`	`Industrial`	`Azurewrath: a japanese poem`
`23:04.08`	`kamel`	`did you already notice that GetBuildInfo returns "0.0.1" on the ptr? :%`
`23:04.09`	`Azurewrath`	`ah, ok :)`
`23:04.14`	`Mikma`	`~haiku`
`23:04.15`	`purl`	`debian woody / stiffs out the competition / no pun intended, or a form of traditional Japanese poetry consisting today of a 17-syllable verse in the form of three metrical units of 5, 7, and 5 syllables.`
`23:04.28`	`Mikma`	`http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haiku`
`23:04.30`	`snurre`	`hm, anyone know a defrag tool that works with vista?`
`23:04.45`	`Azurewrath`	`OO Defrag maybe? Don't know tbh`
`23:05.08`	`snurre`	`not oo and not perfectdisk :/`
`23:05.23`	`Azurewrath`	`mhm.. a pity`
`23:05.26`	`phyber`	`not them because they don't work, or because you don't like them?`
`23:05.34`	`snurre`	`they dont work`
`23:05.37`	`phyber`	`:(`
`23:05.50`	`pastamancer`	`why not use the built-in one?`
`23:06.02`	`Azurewrath`	`everyone has to like OO Defrag.. it's great :)`
`23:06.21`	`snurre`	`im scared of the builtin one, it has even fewer options than the one in xp`
`23:06.31`	`Mikma`	`haste: oMG?`
`23:06.38`	`haste`	`Mikma: oro?`
`23:06.40`	`pastamancer`	`bah, NTFS doesn't really need defragging anyways`
`23:06.41`	`Industrial`	`http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=3070.msg60281#msg60281`
`23:06.42`	`snurre`	`cant even choose which disk to defrag, it just says "defragging now"`
`23:06.46`	`haste`	`I'm patching TBC right now`
`23:06.48`	`haste`	`and I have to ask`
`23:06.49`	`sylvanaar`	`i use 00 defrag`
`23:06.56`	`snurre`	`used OO for winxp`
`23:07.01`	`haste`	`are 95% of the functions still protected?`
`23:07.04`	`haste`	`while not in combat`
`23:07.06`	`Mikma`	`haste: dunno`
`23:07.12`	`Mikma`	`no patchnotes/servers`
`23:07.38`	`Mikma`	`"note, very imortant difference in choice of words"`
`23:07.41`	`Mikma`	`go Industrial`
`23:07.41`	`phyber`	`pastamancer: you sure? because when you look at the layout of your stuff windows does really retarded stuff with it.`
`23:07.44`	`Mikma`	`~emulate Industrial`
`23:07.45`	`purl`	`and now I'm high o/`
`23:07.50`	`Industrial`	`<PROTECTED>`
`23:07.55`	`*** join/#wowace maia (n=maia@chello084112137081.14.11.vie.surfer.at)`
`23:08.03`	`Neronix`	`~emulate Neronix`
`23:08.04`	`purl`	`ERROR: Luser cannot be flamed. Spawn more overlords!`
`23:08.09`	`Industrial`	`lol`
`23:08.19`	`Industrial`	`spawn more overlords <3`
`23:08.22`	`Mikma`	`Industrial: fix typo and diaf`
`23:08.34`	`Industrial`	`where :O`
`23:08.36`	`haste`	`Starcraft?`
`23:08.38`	`Mikma`	`note, very imortant difference in choice of words`
`23:08.42`	`Industrial`	`haste: ZERG`
`23:08.49`	`haste`	`Industrial: I know :D`
`23:08.49`	`Neronix`	`haste: Yeah`
`23:09.00`	`Industrial`	`oops`
`23:09.00`	`Mikma`	`Industrial: note, very imortant difference in choice of words`
`23:09.20`	`Industrial`	`there`
`23:09.43`	`pastamancer`	`phyber: can you tell the difference between a drive that's been recently defragged and one that hasn't without looking at a defrag tool? I can't. And yes, NTFS doesn't suffer from the ridiculous fragmentation problems that FAT did.`
`23:10.27`	`nymbia`	`does anyone know off the top of your head if you can get your target's focus?`
`23:10.38`	`pastamancer`	`nymbia: you can't get another unit's focus`
`23:10.55`	`maia`	`it has been confirmed by slouken a day ago`
`23:10.59`	`Industrial`	`everyone just focus the mt..`
`23:11.20`	`phyber`	`pastamancer: NTFS doesn't really when the data is all over the place, but your hard drive does from the rw head moving all voer the place.`
`23:11.25`	`Industrial`	`if you cant do that by yourself and you need an addon for it you suck at life`
`23:11.28`	`phyber`	`which slows down access a little.`
`23:11.39`	`Industrial`	`:p`
`23:11.44`	`nymbia`	`it'd be interesting to convert over to using your focus as your target, so enemies couldn't see who you were targeting ;)`
`23:11.58`	`Mikma`	`~tuplad`
`23:11.59`	`purl`	`http://www.taikamaailma.org/gallery/Sekavaa/1080065830042.jpg`
`23:12.07`	`Mikma`	`gah`
`23:12.16`	`Industrial`	`tuplad`
`23:12.19`	`Industrial`	`~tuplad`
`23:12.20`	`purl`	`http://www.taikamaailma.org/gallery/Sekavaa/1080065830042.jpg`
`23:12.30`	`Industrial`	`purl: literal emulate tuplad`
`23:12.32`	`purl`	`"emulate tuplad" is "<reply> zomg, j00 can not emulate Tuplad suxor!"`
`23:12.34`	`Mikma`	`~tuplad`
`23:12.35`	`purl`	`http://www.taikamaailma.org/gallery/Sekavaa/1080065830042.jpg`
`23:12.40`	`Mikma`	`bah`
`23:12.42`	`Industrial`	`purl: literal tuplad`
`23:12.43`	`purl`	`"tuplad" is "<reply> (http://www.taikamaailma.org/gallery/Sekavaa/1080065830042.jpg\|http://www.darklegacycomics.com/51.jpg)"`
`23:13.55`	`*** join/#wowace Mahiro (n=Miranda@113-220.1-85.cust.bluewin.ch)`
`23:14.36`	`Mikma`	`~ch`
`23:14.37`	`purl`	`extra, extra, read all about it, ch is Switzerland`
`23:15.05`	`Industrial`	`swizerland?`
`23:15.16`	`Industrial`	`isnt it Chech Republic?`
`23:15.37`	`Industrial`	`zomg it isnt`
`23:16.06`	`maia`	`.cz != .ch`
`23:16.17`	`pastamancer`	`chwitzerland`
`23:17.11`	`Mi\|es`	`~cz`
`23:17.12`	`purl`	`cz is probably Czech Republic`
`23:18.04`	`Industrial`	`right :)`
`23:19.37`	`Mikma`	`TBC UP! :D`
`23:21.12`	`Amadeo`	`:D`
`23:21.24`	`Amadeo`	`aw damn`
`23:21.27`	`Mikma`	`hehe just noticed`
`23:21.29`	`Amadeo`	`my talents are refunded`
`23:21.31`	`haste`	`functions are still protected outside combat :(`
`23:21.40`	`Mikma`	`Netherstorm has a place called "Area 52"`
`23:21.49`	`Amadeo`	`is there a place I can train without going back to Org/UC?`
`23:22.11`	`phyber`	`Amadeo: Shattrath?`
`23:22.34`	`phyber`	`use Cartographer to find it ;)`
`23:23.04`	`Amadeo`	`Can you train there? I have the FP`
`23:23.19`	`phyber`	`I would hope you can. with it being a big city and all.`
`23:23.28`	`phyber`	`if not, there will be a portal to Orc/UC there anyway.`
`23:23.31`	`phyber`	`in the big middle part`
`23:23.34`	`Amadeo`	`true`
`23:23.45`	`maia`	`Amadeo: fly to Shattrath, use the portal to Org and then HS back.`
`23:24.06`	`Amadeo`	`there should be trainers out there though :(`
`23:24.47`	`phyber`	`there probably are. I wandered about for ages just to find the bank there ;)`
`23:24.51`	`Amadeo`	`hehe`
`23:25.06`	`nymbia`	`there's two! ;)`
`23:25.29`	`sylvanaar`	`yep, which group did you join?`
`23:26.13`	`pastamancer`	`It took me an hour to find the flightpoint in shattrah ><`
`23:26.14`	`sylvanaar`	`its the first stop on the tour`
`23:26.14`	`Mikma`	`yeah lol`
`23:26.21`	`phyber`	`pastamancer: haha, same here. was asking loads of people, then found it when I had given up and was leaving ;)`
`23:26.34`	`*** join/#wowace snurre- (n=snurre@AVelizy-153-1-44-100.w81-249.abo.wanadoo.fr)`
`23:26.39`	`Mikma`	`amazing maze of shit`
`23:27.00`	`Mikma`	`nice ping`
`23:27.09`	`Mikma`	`7536ms`
`23:27.15`	`pastamancer`	`phyber: I found it by finding and taking the "guided tour" quest from .... umm, that mage dude`
`23:27.41`	`Mikma`	`when i alt-tab from wow, the sounds mute`
`23:27.44`	`phyber`	`I have that quest, but got it after finding the flight path`
`23:27.50`	`Miles`	`finally, got my nick registered :P`
`23:28.13`	`maia`	`Mikma: there's a setting to alter this I think`
`23:28.17`	`phyber`	`Hello ladies and gentlemen Im jeff nipple`
`23:28.17`	`phyber`	`And Im jimbo jizm`
`23:28.17`	`phyber`	`Welcome to the dark carnivals amazing maze`
`23:28.18`	`phyber`	`Over 5000 ways to get in, and no way out`
`23:28.19`	`maia`	`at least its WAD, not a bug`
`23:28.34`	`phyber`	`should have NPCs saying that when you get to shattrath ;)`
`23:28.47`	`phyber`	`(lyrics from an ICP track called The Amazing Maze) ;)`
`23:29.04`	`DrDre`	`k lil confused, in self:ScheduleRepeatingEvent(self.SomeMethod, 15, self), after the 15 is all parameters correct? so its basically doing self.SomeMethod(self) ?`
`23:29.18`	`*** join/#wowace vhaarr (n=chatzill@ghybel696.krs.hia.no)`
`23:30.43`	`usz`	`DrDre, yes it should`
`23:30.55`	`DrDre`	`k i was jus trying to figure out why self was being added to end`
`23:31.11`	`DrDre`	`and id being 'described' on the wiki page 5th~ instead of first kinda confused me`
`23:31.26`	`usz`	`self is added as most prolly SomeMethod is declared with "function Addon:SomeMethod()"`
`23:31.52`	`usz`	`which means in fact "Addon.SomeMethod = function(Addon) ... end`
`23:33.41`	`*** join/#wowace weab (n=asdf@cpe-66-68-62-162.austin.res.rr.com)`
`23:33.46`	`DrDre`	`im here learning the ace2 api w/o even going over basic lua first >_<`
`23:33.54`	`DrDre`	`i should prolly go learn lua first`
`23:33.56`	`DrDre`	`>_>`
`23:34.05`	`phyber`	`DrDre: that's what I did. you'll be fine ;)`
`23:34.08`	`Mikma`	`maia: there was an option for it yes`
`23:34.09`	`DrDre`	`lol`
`23:34.12`	`phyber`	`just stupid questions once in a while.`
`23:34.13`	`Mikma`	`i like the muting actually`
`23:34.13`	`usz`	`heh, well this is basic info that comes from understanding that ":" is syntax sugger`
`23:34.30`	`Amadeo`	`Hellfire gone? lol`
`23:34.52`	`Amadeo`	`weird`
`23:34.56`	`Amadeo`	`got booted, said server was offline`
`23:35.01`	`Amadeo`	`came back, it's there`
`23:37.20`	`DrDre`	`wow i never realized time stamping was that easy with ace2 O.o`
`23:39.41`	`*** part/#wowace [nd] (n=nd@h062040167062.gun.cm.kabsi.at)`
`23:42.08`	xplo`	`BWTA lod working in naxx as expected, but yielding a small error when reconnecting inside naxx`
`23:42.26`	`*** join/#wowace mjc (n=mjc@c-66-176-124-244.hsd1.fl.comcast.net)`
`23:42.47`	`mjc`	`hey guys`
`23:42.49`	`usz`	`and that error is?`
`23:42.55`	`mjc`	`Cairenn\|afk: ping :P`
`23:43.05`	xplo`	attempt to index field `db' (a nil value) Line: 159 Count: 1
`23:43.35`	`usz`	`hmmm, that is extremly strange`
`23:43.42`	`vhaarr`	xplo`: Known bug, thanks.
`23:43.49`	`Neronix`	`DrDre: It's easy without Ace2`
`23:43.54`	xplo`	`happens when reconnecting and/or reloading near thaddius.`
`23:44.05`	xplo`	`ok cool vhaarr :)`
`23:44.06`	`Neronix`	`I wrote an 8 line extra lightweight timestamper`
`23:44.45`	`vhaarr`	xplo`: I'm working on a fix, but it's not quite done yet.
`23:44.55`	`vhaarr`	`Don't expect SVN head to be in working condition - ever.`
`23:45.19`	xplo`	`vhaarr: no need to hurry, the module works as expected even after that error`
`23:46.26`	`Neronix`	`DrDre: 267b too`
`23:46.50`	`DrDre`	`lol i know i jus thought it was a bit more lines`
`23:47.12`	`eternally777`	`wtb timestamps in beta :(`
`23:47.35`	`DrDre`	`shouldnt the old method still work? or did the methods it used change?`
`23:47.53`	`usz`	`aint it tainting now everything?`
`23:48.02`	`eternally777`	`It's impossible the way it used to work.`
`23:48.11`	`eternally777`	`Because AddMessage is secure`
`23:48.36`	`usz`	`wtb finished DreamChat then ^^`
`23:48.36`	`Tem`	`AddMessage is not secure`
`23:48.37`	`eternally777`	`Can only retreive information from the message displayed in chat, can't modify it.`
`23:48.44`	`eternally777`	`Orly?`
`23:48.49`	`*** join/#wowace ckknight (n=ckknight@198.199.136.121)`
`23:48.49`	`*** mode/#wowace [+o ckknight] by ChanServ`
`23:48.52`	`Tem`	`it's perfectly fine to tain AddMessage`
`23:48.58`	`Neronix`	`Ah, sweet`
`23:49.05`	`ckknight`	`hey all`
`23:49.06`	`Zyphr`	`Dreamchat is pwn`
`23:49.14`	`eternally777`	`My mistake then. I was getting an error trying to do that last week.`
`23:49.42`	`usz`	`Tem, but I guess hooking into FCF internals to create own channel will tain everything?`
`23:49.52`	`Neronix`	`Well this should work in 2.0 then: http://pastey.net/2505`
`23:50.02`	`Tem`	`usz, it does right now`
`23:50.06`	`Tem`	`but it won't in the near future`
`23:50.17`	`Tem`	`speaking of which... I wonder what changes went through today`
`23:50.49`	`ckknight`	`yes, I need a diff!`
`23:50.55`	`*** join/#wowace CIA-17 (i=cia@cia.navi.cx)`
`23:51.10`	`Tem`	`hai2u, CIA-17`
`23:51.13`	`usz`	`ok, still i got one more problem the way how i create virtual channels require atm hooking SendChatMessage and checking for chattype, so secure hooking is not what i want, guess that will tain for sure always?`
`23:51.17`	`Mikma`	`http://www.wowhead.com/?talent-bc=bxMhkIZZxMGdMtohtvo`
`23:51.27`	`Mikma`	`yeah, i might go with that on live`
`23:51.37`	`Mikma`	`atleast for leveling :P`
`23:52.37`	`ckknight`	`virtual channels, usz?`
`23:53.33`	`usz`	`ckknight, yea for my rusty PrivateChat addon, which uses GUILD / CUSTOM comm for sending encrypted chat messages, it hooks now directly into FCF, so it creates channel that look exactly like normal /g /p etc`
`23:53.50`	`Neronix`	`http://pastey.net/2506 even smaller and cleaner :P`
`23:53.52`	`haarm`	`Mikma, not really best for levelling imo`
`23:53.53`	`ckknight`	`ah, okay then.`
`23:54.05`	`ckknight`	`sounds cool, usz`
`23:54.10`	`ckknight`	`how are you doing encryption?`
`23:54.12`	`usz`	`well it works`
`23:54.28`	`Mikma`	`haarm: well, what is then`
`23:54.41`	`usz`	`ckk, i implemented TEA algorythm (PSK) its in trunk (TEALib) and even made wiki page ^^`
`23:54.53`	`ckknight`	`usz, I'm thinking you _could_ hook SendChatMessage and reroute it to SendAddonMessage.`
`23:54.54`	`usz`	`for key generation i use MD5Lib (also in trunk)`
`23:54.58`	`ckknight`	`theoretically.`
`23:55.06`	`ckknight`	`cool stuff`
`23:55.31`	`usz`	`well i hook SendChatMessage and then depending on settings, i sent it via AceComm to GUILD or CUSTOM`
`23:55.42`	`haarm`	`Mikma, imp. sw: p is sort of useless for levelling, mobs die in less than 18 seconds. I also havn't come across the need for silence or fear (except a really bad pull), on my travels up to lvl 64,`
`23:55.50`	`ckknight`	`usz, sounds good.`
`23:56.21`	`haarm`	`and I am rarely using sw: d, and mind blast only if i have a huge amount of mana left, so not sure about shadow power`
`23:56.45`	`usz`	`still i am affraid this addon will be one huge taint in TBC as i really need to hook alot in FCF to create full functional channel from scratch`
`23:56.47`	`Mikma`	`haarm: hmm. then i have to rethink this`
`23:56.57`	`Tem`	`http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=3076`
`23:57.36`	`Neronix`	`Tem: What happened?`
`23:57.42`	`haarm`	`spirit tap and vampiric touch do own though, especially when you get Power Infuesd Mushroom, i'm basically coming out of fights with more mana than I started, and my sequence is, VT, VE, SW: P, Mind Blast, Wand, mobs are going down in around 15 seconds`
`23:57.47`	`Mikma`	`bah, that's not needed Tem`
`23:57.51`	`Tem`	`yes it is`
`23:58.04`	`Mikma`	`i don't see the point`
`23:58.30`	`Mikma`	`haarm: well what should i get to replace them then?`
`23:58.49`	`Zyphr`	`hows them flying mounts eh?`
`23:58.59`	`Tem`	`no one has any yet`
`23:59.10`	`Zyphr`	`orly?`
`23:59.14`	`Tem`	`the vendors are (presumably) in shadowmoon valley`
`23:59.17`	`Tem`	`which is not open`
`23:59.23`	`Zyphr`	`mhmm`
`23:59.31`	`Zyphr`	`said they were implamented on patchnotest`
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