| 00:00.40 | eternally777 | Hmm.. I just completely reinstalled WoW and the ground textures still aren't showing up. I lag horribly when I try to look at the ground outdoors |
| 00:00.43 | eternally777 | andy suggestions? |
| 00:00.48 | eternally777 | s/andy/any/ |
| 00:00.52 | ckknight_ | hey all |
| 00:00.56 | Amadeo | sup ck |
| 00:00.58 | vhaarr | wb ckk |
| 00:01.20 | ckknight | yea, so in Writing class I satirically said "God hates fags", and like 3 people agreed with me |
| 00:01.25 | ckknight | it was pretty funny/creepy |
| 00:01.35 | Zicon | Humans in a nutshell. |
| 00:01.42 | vhaarr | Americans in a nutshell. |
| 00:01.54 | ckknight | it's Hawaii. That's not America |
| 00:01.58 | Amadeo | Help! I'm in a nutshell! |
| 00:01.59 | vhaarr | :P |
| 00:02.06 | vhaarr | ~nutcracker |
| 00:02.07 | ckknight | it's a bunch of Asians over here. |
| 00:02.13 | kaiden | ckknight, that's quite a mean thing to say though |
| 00:02.15 | kaiden | :P |
| 00:02.16 | Amadeo | How did I get into this bloody great big nutshell? |
| 00:02.32 | ckknight | kaiden, that God hates fags? I was saying it as a joke. |
| 00:02.37 | vhaarr | ckknight: So, OnEmbedEnable and OnEmbedDisable is called before the addons OnEnable and OnDisable, I'm guessing this is deliberate? |
| 00:02.47 | kaiden | ckknight, i know :P |
| 00:02.52 | ckknight | yes, vhaarr. OnEmbed* is called before On* |
| 00:03.31 | vhaarr | ckknight: Is OnProfileEnable called before OnEnable? |
| 00:03.46 | ckknight | no, those are unrelated |
| 00:03.47 | Xuerian | It's about as serious as saying "Every time someone jacks off, god kills a kitten" It's offensive, offensive to certian religious people, and offensive to animals. Yet it's a joke. And taken as such >_> .... /sexualorientationtouchynessrant |
| 00:04.01 | ckknight | right, Xuerian |
| 00:05.13 | kaiden | *cries* but god does kill kittens when you masturbate |
| 00:05.23 | kaiden | i know this because ceiling cat was watching me and he fell dead right out of the ceiling |
| 00:05.55 | SP|Sorren | ceiling cat's not a kitten, duh |
| 00:06.06 | ckknight | why aren't the realms up yet? |
| 00:06.07 | ckknight | :-( |
| 00:06.08 | kaiden | god doesn't know the difference.. sheesh |
| 00:06.15 | Xuerian | Tehe. |
| 00:06.21 | SP|Sorren | but, i thought he was all knowing! :< |
| 00:06.37 | kaiden | only in matters of the heart! |
| 00:06.50 | SP|Sorren | he watches you masturbate, by the way. |
| 00:07.02 | vhaarr | ckknight: is OnProfileEnable called on login, or just when you actually switch profile? |
| 00:07.03 | kaiden | SP|Sorren, i know.. it excites me |
| 00:07.09 | ckknight | vhaarr, just when you switch. |
| 00:07.12 | Amadeo | I know that God exists because of bananas! |
| 00:07.15 | vhaarr | okay |
| 00:07.16 | ckknight | you can call :OnProfileEnable yourself if you want. |
| 00:07.22 | ckknight | Amadeo, ? |
| 00:07.34 | Amadeo | ckknight: Hold on, I'll show you the video :) |
| 00:07.37 | SP|Sorren | Banana's, an atheists nightmare! |
| 00:07.45 | Amadeo | hahaha |
| 00:07.45 | Amadeo | yeah |
| 00:07.47 | SP|Sorren | that apostrophe is completely misplaced. |
| 00:08.25 | Amadeo | ckknight: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jibrLnQfdSg |
| 00:10.20 | vhaarr | If that's not scientific proof, I don't know what is. |
| 00:10.22 | vhaarr | :P |
| 00:10.41 | kaiden | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kExTA7DpGkk absolute coolest bird EVER |
| 00:11.09 | CIA-17 | 03usz * r16538 10TooltipExchange/ (Core.lua Modules/Memo.lua Modules/UI.lua TooltipExchange.toc): |
| 00:11.09 | CIA-17 | TooltipExchange |
| 00:11.09 | CIA-17 | - User interface tweaks |
| 00:11.09 | CIA-17 | - Item tooltip positioning |
| 00:11.10 | CIA-17 | - Toc file changes |
| 00:11.56 | vhaarr | ckknight: FBP-2.0 does a loop through the AceConsole registry and nils the .profile options for plugins that do not have independentProfile set, but it does this only if CheckFuBar() is true, why? |
| 00:12.07 | vhaarr | around like 1004 in fbp |
| 00:12.12 | vhaarr | line* |
| 00:12.38 | ckknight | vhaarr, because if you don't have FuBar, then FuBar can't control the profiles. |
| 00:13.09 | vhaarr | aah, so if FuBar is there, the Profile stuff in FuBar actually controls all the loaded plugins |
| 00:13.17 | ckknight | yes. |
| 00:13.22 | vhaarr | excellent |
| 00:14.17 | ckknight | your mom was excellent last night. |
| 00:15.35 | kaiden | ckknight is spicy when he has no beta servers up to play on |
| 00:15.42 | vhaarr | I know, I was filming it and have mailed the movie to your grandparents already. |
| 00:16.05 | pastamancer | ckknight: -!- mode/#yourmom [+o ksmith] by ksmith |
| 00:16.43 | pastamancer | that's on a different irc network though |
| 00:20.05 | ckknight | hrm, what should I use to open mpqs? |
| 00:20.12 | ckknight | I want to get the new framexml for 2.0.2 |
| 00:20.20 | ckknight | ~framexml |
| 00:20.23 | purl | get the official Blizzard Interface AddOn Kit here: http://www.blizzard.com/support/wow/?id=aww01671p -- Beta: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/downloads/expansion-bc/addonkit.zip |
| 00:21.19 | Xuerian | winmpq works well o_0 |
| 00:21.30 | Xuerian | Or did last I checekd |
| 00:21.36 | Tem | winmpq barfs on the beta files |
| 00:21.36 | Xuerian | s/checeked/checked/ |
| 00:21.42 | Xuerian | Blah |
| 00:21.46 | ckknight | I'm not sure that the addon kit works for 2.0.1+ |
| 00:21.51 | Tem | or... it barfed on the alpha files |
| 00:21.59 | ckknight | Tem, what do you recommend I use? |
| 00:21.59 | Tem | I haven't tried since then |
| 00:22.03 | Tem | the addon kit |
| 00:22.34 | Tem | (you have to use the new addon kit, not the old one) |
| 00:23.18 | DrDre | hmm |
| 00:23.23 | DrDre | that is telling me it cant find wow installed |
| 00:23.32 | kebinusan | bleh I should have started downloading this beta client two days ago |
| 00:24.07 | DrDre | can someone export the .reg for the uninstall key for me please ;x |
| 00:26.14 | Kemayo | Anyone know if there's a way to get the dodge/parry chance for a mob without having to brute-force it by tracking attacks? |
| 00:27.07 | Tem | there isn't |
| 00:27.14 | Kemayo | Nuts. |
| 00:30.43 | Amadeo | Is there a cast time on the Draenei HoT? |
| 00:30.56 | Kemayo | 1.5s, I think. |
| 00:31.12 | Amadeo | I can't decide if I should work on a Hunter now, or wait for a blue guy |
| 00:31.35 | Amadeo | Tauren vs Octopus |
| 00:31.41 | ckknight | Amadeo, you in beta? |
| 00:31.44 | Amadeo | no |
| 00:31.48 | Amadeo | :( |
| 00:31.50 | ckknight | okay |
| 00:31.52 | ckknight | loser. |
| 00:32.01 | Amadeo | haha |
| 00:32.07 | Amadeo | all the cool kids didn't get in |
| 00:32.23 | ckknight | I can't play vanilla WoW anymore... it's so lame in comparison |
| 00:32.29 | Amadeo | rofl |
| 00:32.38 | Tem | I haven't played normal wow in weeks |
| 00:33.03 | Xuerian | Vanilla ui or vanilla version? o_0 |
| 00:33.22 | ckknight | vanilla version. |
| 00:33.25 | Amadeo | I'm trying to level up my Shaman before TBC is here |
| 00:33.37 | Amadeo | I love the class |
| 00:33.50 | Amadeo | Most fun I've had in a while as far as that stuff goes |
| 00:33.53 | CIA-17 | 03rabbit * r16539 10!BugGrabber/BugGrabber.lua: !BugGrabber: If there are more than 4 startup errors, we create a slash command (/buggrabber <index>) that can be used to print them individually. |
| 00:33.58 | kaiden | i got a shaman to 45 on my roommates account.. then i got a beta invite |
| 00:34.00 | kaiden | so i'm rather pissed |
| 00:34.01 | kaiden | lol |
| 00:34.08 | Amadeo | haha |
| 00:34.16 | Amadeo | I understand |
| 00:34.20 | Amadeo | and since I'm always about helping people |
| 00:34.29 | Amadeo | I'd be willing to take that key from you so you can work on your Shaman |
| 00:34.43 | kaiden | no that's quite alright, already bound it to my account that had a 60 shaman on it |
| 00:34.44 | kaiden | ;) |
| 00:34.58 | Amadeo | Well, if the account comes with it...I'll just have to take one for the team |
| 00:35.21 | kaiden | ckknight, looks like the beta servers are about to come back up |
| 00:35.26 | ckknight | ooh! |
| 00:35.29 | ckknight | tell me when they do. |
| 00:35.39 | Kirkburn | Patch changes! http://beta.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=560370&sid=1 |
| 00:35.40 | ckknight | I have 2.5 hours to kill |
| 00:35.49 | ckknight | probably by working on Cartographer |
| 00:36.33 | ckknight | I want to know if they fixed ChatFrame_OnEvent |
| 00:36.42 | Kirkburn | EU Tempest Keep is back! |
| 00:36.44 | ckknight | don't think so ;-( |
| 00:36.46 | ckknight | ooh, fun |
| 00:37.01 | kaiden | ok they are up ckknight |
| 00:37.09 | Kirkburn | beat you :P |
| 00:37.26 | kaiden | no you are talking about Eu ;) |
| 00:37.32 | kaiden | i'm talking about US so NYAH! |
| 00:37.34 | ckknight | I'm EU |
| 00:37.38 | kaiden | bah |
| 00:37.40 | kaiden | damn foreigners |
| 00:37.42 | kaiden | lol |
| 00:38.02 | ckknight | I actually live in America, but I got an EU beta key. |
| 00:38.05 | kaiden | why oh WHY do the character copies have to suck so much |
| 00:38.21 | Kirkburn | rarw ;) |
| 00:39.23 | Kirkburn | Time to get more Fubar addons then |
| 00:39.53 | CIA-17 | 03rabbit * r16540 10!BugGrabber/BugGrabber.lua: !BugGrabber: If BugSack is not loaded, just print unique errors to the chatframe. Also don't print anything if a loop is detected, and fixed some problems with /buggrabber. |
| 00:40.49 | ckknight | gah, Ace2 has been blocked from an action or something! |
| 00:40.57 | ckknight | they didn't fix ChatFrame_OnEvent. |
| 00:41.00 | Kirkburn | Saw no problem here |
| 00:41.08 | ckknight | use a macro in combat |
| 00:41.20 | Kirkburn | Ah, I'll take your word for it |
| 00:41.57 | vhaarr | ckknight: http://pastebin.com/820720 - This happens when two scheduled events are cancelled right after eachother, more specific code reference coming in a sec |
| 00:42.24 | vhaarr | http://www.wowace.com/trac/browser/trunk/BigWigs/Naxxramas/Noth.lua#L341 |
| 00:42.45 | vhaarr | It only happens if both of those are scheduled, but it could be caused by other things in that function. |
| 00:42.59 | vhaarr | I'm just guessing it's the CancelScheduledEvents that do it. |
| 00:43.31 | ckknight | hrm |
| 00:43.51 | ckknight | I hate unknown errors. |
| 00:44.17 | vhaarr | yes indeedy |
| 00:44.21 | ckknight | this is TBC? |
| 00:44.23 | vhaarr | no |
| 00:44.27 | vhaarr | 1.12 deDE |
| 00:44.42 | ckknight | oh |
| 00:44.43 | ckknight | you suck |
| 00:44.49 | vhaarr | :( |
| 00:46.01 | vhaarr | I can try to reproduce it in TBC |
| 00:46.11 | ckknight | don't worry about that |
| 00:46.12 | vhaarr | now that the servers are back |
| 00:46.15 | vhaarr | okay |
| 00:48.28 | Amadeo | so I have to know |
| 00:48.32 | Amadeo | who in here is actually buying a PS3? |
| 00:48.35 | ckknight | not me |
| 00:48.40 | ckknight | too expensive, guy |
| 00:48.58 | Amadeo | each store is geting like 3 or 4 |
| 00:49.02 | Amadeo | so someone's gonna have to camp out |
| 00:49.03 | Amadeo | haha |
| 00:49.26 | Tain | I might get one next year sometime. |
| 00:49.57 | kaiden | i've got one saved for me |
| 00:49.58 | kaiden | ;) |
| 00:50.02 | kaiden | and a wii as well |
| 00:50.15 | Amadeo | kaiden: If you have that kind of money, I'm going to have to ask you to buy me a computer |
| 00:50.33 | Amadeo | We both use Comcast, we're practically brothers |
| 00:50.39 | kaiden | lol |
| 00:50.47 | Amadeo | Wouldn't you do that for your brother? |
| 00:51.04 | kaiden | no |
| 00:51.16 | Amadeo | I always told mom you were the bad half! |
| 00:51.34 | ckknight | vhaarr, got an airtight fix. |
| 00:51.47 | Industrial | Blah. BLAH! Anyone watched Ninja Scroll? The end sucked. |
| 00:51.50 | vhaarr | sounds good |
| 00:52.00 | Tain | haha Ninja Scroll rules. |
| 00:52.17 | Industrial | yeah its a nice anime but the end was not so cool :< |
| 00:52.25 | Tain | There's nothing wrong with the ending. |
| 00:52.28 | kaiden | Amadeo, well i told mom to stop sleeping with the gardener.. but look at you.. did she? |
| 00:52.49 | Amadeo | kaiden: Hey, dad is good with his hands, you think tulips grow on their own? |
| 00:52.52 | Industrial | the end needs more making out. |
| 00:53.09 | Industrial | imho |
| 00:53.22 | Industrial | meh, NEXT |
| 00:53.27 | kaiden | Amadeo, i wouldn't exactly say his fertalizer was miracle grow.. then again.. he was peeping through the window watching mom shower everytime he made it |
| 00:53.52 | Amadeo | But mom left the curtain open purposely! |
| 00:54.30 | kaiden | hey the fact that she was a slut isn't in question here |
| 00:54.31 | CIA-17 | 03ckknight * r16541 10Ace2/AceEvent-2.0/AceEvent-2.0.lua: .AceEvent-2.0 - altered the OnUpdate function to handle double-cancellations properly. |
| 00:54.42 | Amadeo | haha |
| 00:54.56 | ckknight | vhaarr, plztest kthx |
| 00:55.17 | CIA-17 | 03ckknight 07TBC * r16542 10Ace2/Ace2/AceEvent-2.0/AceEvent-2.0.lua: .AceEvent-2.0 - altered the OnUpdate function to handle double-cancellations properly. |
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| 01:00.30 | *** mode/#wowace [+o Kaelten] by ChanServ |
| 01:00.35 | Amadeo | heya Kael |
| 01:00.56 | ckknight | hey Kaelten |
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| 01:03.48 | CIA-17 | 03thisterhall * r16543 10OneBagSorter/ (. OneBagSorter.lua OneBagSorter.toc): OneBagSorter - Initial Checkin Alpha |
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| 01:06.45 | Amadeo | Hm |
| 01:06.54 | Amadeo | Possible Warrior Tier 5 pic |
| 01:07.46 | ckknight | link |
| 01:08.30 | Amadeo | This could be a spoiler, so don't look if you don't want to see it :P http://atreid.free.fr/tiers5/tier5lol.jpg |
| 01:08.34 | CIA-17 | 03thisterhall * r16544 10OneBagSorter/Lib/: OneBagSorter added externals |
| 01:09.36 | ckknight | he looks shiny, Amadeo |
| 01:09.47 | ckknight | Tier5 isn't lvl 60 though |
| 01:09.58 | ckknight | so your plan is flawed :-P |
| 01:10.17 | Amadeo | it's not on Blizzard's server though |
| 01:10.23 | ckknight | hrm |
| 01:10.31 | Amadeo | yeah, I d unno |
| 01:10.33 | CIA-17 | 03thisterhall * r16545 10OneBagSorter/OneBagSorter.toc: OneBagSorter Touched toc to force updating of externals |
| 01:10.34 | Amadeo | I think it's kinda ugly |
| 01:10.37 | trollied | looks like a warlock |
| 01:10.47 | Amadeo | yeah |
| 01:10.59 | Amadeo | it's probably not right, but it's in game for something |
| 01:11.22 | ckknight | lol, they changed the Rescue the Survivors quest from 4 survivors to just 1 |
| 01:11.22 | ckknight | lol |
| 01:12.38 | ckknight | oh, they also changed it so you use Gift of the Naaru on them instead of the crystal |
| 01:12.39 | ckknight | hrm |
| 01:12.59 | Tem | neat |
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| 01:16.30 | kergoth | onebagsorter looks promising |
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| 01:18.15 | Kalamad1 | So...they're not buffing any of the current racials, are they? |
| 01:18.31 | ckknight | not that I know of |
| 01:18.35 | eternally777 | How does one turn off the tooltips in Grid? |
| 01:18.41 | kaiden | Amadeo, that is indeed tier 5 warrior armor |
| 01:19.04 | kergoth | eternally777: just a wild guess, but maybe its the "Show Tooltip" option under frame :P |
| 01:19.22 | Amadeo | kaiden: Yuck :( |
| 01:19.27 | Kalamad1 | The Draenei and Blood Elf racials seem immensely more powerful than anything available to races now :/ |
| 01:19.50 | ckknight | Kalamad1, Tauren is still pretty good in relation to BE's |
| 01:19.59 | Amadeo | yep |
| 01:19.59 | ckknight | so is Undead's |
| 01:20.09 | kaiden | well i do like the draenei talent.. but i wouldn't say it's immensely more powerful |
| 01:20.18 | Amadeo | The greatest overpowering combination is Rogue + Blood Elf |
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| 01:20.29 | Adrin2 | ..ok, this is bizarre. |
| 01:20.34 | kaiden | also you have to take into account the fact that some of the draenei talents dont work when they aren't in a party |
| 01:20.37 | Adrin2 | I got transferred to Blade's Edge somehow. |
| 01:20.39 | ckknight | oh, adrin? |
| 01:20.47 | ckknight | hrm |
| 01:20.47 | ckknight | okay |
| 01:21.00 | ckknight | alright, time for me to get some food |
| 01:21.00 | vhaarr | ckknight: Nice, I got no error now. |
| 01:21.07 | Adrine | Yeah, dunno what's up |
| 01:21.48 | Adrine | No chars on Hellfire, made a draenei, Hellfire went down, went over to Blade's Edge to make a char to test stuff....and the rogue I transferred this afternoon was there. |
| 01:21.55 | Adrine | The priest and war are missing though |
| 01:22.03 | Adrine | Sooooo I dunno. |
| 01:22.58 | Adrine | I'm also missing 600g and the bracers I got last week :( |
| 01:23.19 | Kirkburn | eek |
| 01:23.46 | kaiden | I'm getting an AWFUL lot of you attempted to perform a protected function since this patch... |
| 01:23.53 | Tain | heh heh people are already camped out for a PS3, 10 days before launch. |
| 01:24.49 | Amadeo | Tain: What? No way |
| 01:26.26 | Kirkburn | Yay, error free UI, finally :) |
| 01:27.23 | Tain | http://www.engadget.com/2006/11/09/ps3-hopefuls-line-up-weeks-before-launch/ |
| 01:27.59 | Amadeo | does that even work? |
| 01:28.03 | Amadeo | the store is open every day... |
| 01:28.18 | kaiden | Amadeo, freedom of assembly :P |
| 01:28.36 | Tain | I don't know, it's damn funny. |
| 01:28.49 | Amadeo | but I wonder if Best Buy will even honor it on launch day |
| 01:29.00 | Amadeo | I imagine that employees would buy the 3 at each store |
| 01:29.22 | Tain | What I want to know is who has the free time to sit in front of Best Buy for 2 weeks AND has the money to buy it |
| 01:29.37 | Amadeo | haha |
| 01:29.46 | Amadeo | If they were that rich, they wouldn't be sitting there in the first place |
| 01:30.23 | Amadeo | the funny thing is |
| 01:30.27 | Amadeo | 7 people are at that Best Buy |
| 01:30.34 | kebinusan | Id be more concerned with where I was going to put it, Im not sure I have the room for such a massive console |
| 01:30.36 | Amadeo | I can *guarantee* you that there won't even be 7 PS3's there |
| 01:31.09 | Amadeo | kebinusan: I'd say a yo momma joke, but I'm leaving it for ckknight |
| 01:31.10 | kebinusan | yeah sony has a rather pathetic lauch total of systems |
| 01:32.11 | kebinusan | heh |
| 01:33.35 | [FH]Birdemani | http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v385/digital55/T5_Priest.jpg |
| 01:33.56 | Amadeo | that's hot |
| 01:34.12 | Amadeo | Show me all |
| 01:34.21 | nymbia | wow, look at that warlock.. |
| 01:34.24 | Amadeo | oh |
| 01:34.25 | nymbia | http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v385/digital55/T5_Warlock.jpg |
| 01:34.26 | Amadeo | they're there |
| 01:34.32 | Amadeo | WOW |
| 01:34.35 | Amadeo | Warlock is *CRAZY* |
| 01:34.54 | Amadeo | that's the hottest outfit ever |
| 01:35.13 | Adrine | Hahahahah |
| 01:35.19 | Tain | http://www.ps3seeker.com/ tells you the estimated amount of PS3s for stores near you. |
| 01:35.23 | Adrine | I can level my mace skill as a shaman by casting Rockbiter. |
| 01:35.23 | Amadeo | I feel sorry for Paladins |
| 01:35.24 | Amadeo | hahahah |
| 01:35.30 | Tain | And also for the Wii http://www.ps3seeker.com/wii/ |
| 01:35.34 | ckknight | hey all, back |
| 01:35.47 | Amadeo | cool Tain :) |
| 01:35.48 | nymbia | lol@paladins |
| 01:35.52 | nymbia | hi ck :) |
| 01:35.57 | Kaelten | hows it going guys? |
| 01:35.57 | ckknight | kebinusan, I put my massive console in your mom last night. |
| 01:35.59 | Amadeo | Tain: I need a website that sends me the $600 I need for one now |
| 01:36.21 | nymbia | not bad kael |
| 01:36.25 | nymbia | yourself? |
| 01:36.34 | Kaelten | oh, I'm getting better :) |
| 01:36.36 | ckknight | Kaelten, you speak! |
| 01:37.03 | Kaelten | hehe, ya, *soon* I should start having more time to work on my addons and ace |
| 01:37.11 | Kaelten | its been one hella a ride for the last few months |
| 01:37.21 | Saroz | holy cow! |
| 01:37.51 | Amadeo | Moo. Are you happy now? |
| 01:38.14 | Kaelten | holy cow? |
| 01:38.18 | ckknight | Amadeo, it should be more like "I bless you child. Moo." |
| 01:38.29 | Tain | Ooh I had some tasty filet mignon last night for dinner. |
| 01:38.33 | Tain | Speaking of cow. |
| 01:38.49 | Amadeo | ckknight: Mootiful |
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| 01:39.14 | Tain | Ok those jokes are udderly bad. |
| 01:39.19 | eternally777 | filet mignon is my char's nickname |
| 01:39.25 | eternally777 | because his name rhymes with it. fyi |
| 01:39.44 | Amadeo | Tain: haha |
| 01:42.51 | Tem | yep, as I thought |
| 01:43.07 | Tem | the Cast and Target functions are always uncallable again |
| 01:43.57 | ckknight | they're callable out of combat... |
| 01:44.03 | ckknight | shouldn't they be? |
| 01:45.38 | nymbia | they should be |
| 01:45.44 | nymbia | probably a bug. |
| 01:45.59 | ckknight | ATTENTION! ALIENS ARE COMING TO ABDUCT ALL THE GOOD LOOKING AND SEXY PEOPLE. - YOU WILL BE SAFE, I'M JUST HERE TO SAY GOODBYE. |
| 01:46.53 | Amadeo | Yeah, like that'll happ |
| 01:53.56 | kebinusan | heh nice ck |
| 01:55.06 | ckknight | ;-) |
| 01:55.26 | Azurewrath | gah.... action only usable to blizz UI blabla on /script UseContainerItem(0,16,onSelf).. didn't they introduce the new syntax in 1.12? |
| 01:55.58 | Kirkburn | Wasn't that changed for 2.0? |
| 01:56.15 | ckknight | Azurewrath, it's protected in combat. |
| 01:56.25 | Azurewrath | im in Orgrimmar.. |
| 01:56.59 | Azurewrath | and since it's my Bandage macro i use for like 1,5 years... would be useless if i could only use it ooc |
| 01:57.59 | Amadeo | DX10 image: http://images.tomshardware.com/2006/11/08/geforce_8800/nvidia_adrianne_image1-big.jpg |
| 01:58.54 | ckknight | Azurewrath, /use Linen Bandage |
| 01:59.16 | Azurewrath | ckk, is that onSelf always? |
| 01:59.17 | Kirkburn | Yeah that's the change I thought of, you can now do it by name |
| 01:59.33 | ckknight | Amadeo, I'd tap that. |
| 01:59.42 | Tain | I'd /use Your Mom |
| 01:59.42 | Amadeo | ckknight: How about this? http://images.tomshardware.com/2006/11/08/what_direct3d_10_is_all_about/crysis.jpg |
| 01:59.59 | ckknight | Azurewrath, nope, do /use [target=self] Linen Bandage |
| 02:00.14 | ckknight | cool, but he looks like plastic. |
| 02:00.31 | Amadeo | ckknight: Maybe he's a RealDoll |
| 02:00.35 | ckknight | lol |
| 02:01.07 | Kirkburn | [Captain Kelisendra's Lost Rudders] .... "Luckily they were kept in a waterproof case" |
| 02:02.24 | Amadeo | I really need to reformat and reinstall |
| 02:02.48 | kaiden | spawn times need to be drastically upped in outlands :/ |
| 02:04.28 | Xuerian | Haha, random fact |
| 02:04.40 | Xuerian | Did you know the old NVidia Dawn and Dusk demos came with a completely nude model |
| 02:04.46 | Azurewrath | ckknight: works with vanilla TBC, thanks :) |
| 02:05.00 | ckknight | Azurewrath, don't say vanilla TBC |
| 02:05.02 | ckknight | confusing |
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| 02:05.04 | Xuerian | And the outfit was actually rendered ontop like things should be? :p |
| 02:05.20 | Azurewrath | spits out some Blizz popup to disable agUF though ;) |
| 02:05.29 | tkieffer | Anyone familiar enough with XRS to help me with single/group buff casting? |
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| 02:28.08 | eternally777 | How do I turn off my raid leader's raid warnings with bigwigs? Doesn't it do that? |
| 02:28.38 | kergoth | mm i love the grid range display via frame alpha |
| 02:31.43 | nymbia | eternally777: isn't there a 'suppress raid warn' option? |
| 02:40.36 | kebinusan | How long does this blizzard scan normally take on TBC startup |
| 02:40.48 | nymbia | 3 seconds or so |
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| 02:46.58 | Kirkburn | Xuerian, interesting fact :O |
| 02:47.01 | kebinusan | hmm ok, little voodoo magic now Im downloading the patch |
| 02:47.11 | Xuerian | Kirkburn: Reading that far back? lol |
| 02:47.19 | Xuerian | Oh hm. |
| 02:47.23 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 02:47.28 | Xuerian | Everyone has been in wowi, chat here hasn't moved.... nevermind me |
| 02:59.12 | CIA-17 | 03sole * r16546 10Antagonist/Antagonist.lua: |
| 02:59.12 | CIA-17 | Antagonist |
| 02:59.12 | CIA-17 | - Fixed 'var' error (hopefully) |
| 02:59.12 | CIA-17 | - Fixed test bars error |
| 03:03.46 | Adrine | I should know this, but how do I get a stack backtrace? |
| 03:04.16 | Adrine | Nevermind, debugstack |
| 03:07.31 | ckknight | classtime, so I'll see you in ten minutes. |
| 03:08.12 | Kalamad1 | Weee, wipe on Vael. |
| 03:08.49 | Kalamadi | The guild always wiped on Vael when I get bombed early. |
| 03:09.00 | Kalamadi | s/wiped/wipes/ |
| 03:10.06 | nymbia | i never get BA :( |
| 03:10.52 | nymbia | even if there's like 2 people up and we're at 1%.. the paladin will get it instead of me. |
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| 03:13.14 | Xuerian | I just realized I haven't raided once in two months =| |
| 03:13.26 | Xuerian | My guild even addresses me like, "Cairn, why not come test your mod here..." |
| 03:13.53 | JJSheets | Cairenn: Thanks for your persistence, I have my Beta Key! |
| 03:14.01 | Cairenn | yay! |
| 03:14.16 | nymbia | grats! |
| 03:14.38 | JJSheets | :) |
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| 03:15.04 | JJSheets | ckknight: you busy? |
| 03:15.20 | nymbia | he just went to class, he'll be back on once he gets there though |
| 03:15.27 | JJSheets | ah cool |
| 03:17.51 | kebinusan | Now begins the process of downloading 100,000 patches |
| 03:18.03 | JJSheets | lmao |
| 03:18.09 | Kaelten | 100k patches may be an underestimate keb |
| 03:18.12 | JJSheets | shoulda done that days ago :p |
| 03:18.23 | JJSheets | like I did. |
| 03:18.37 | kebinusan | yeah |
| 03:18.38 | JJSheets | I'm making my cliche BE female Pally right now. bwahahahahaha |
| 03:18.49 | kebinusan | thats what I was thinking as I downloaded 2gb of TBC and now Im patching it |
| 03:25.13 | JJSheets | now comes the joyous download of TBC mods... |
| 03:25.37 | Amadeo | When TBC comes out, I'm wiping the slate clean and using as few addons as possible |
| 03:25.55 | Amadeo | I hope :( |
| 03:28.08 | kebinusan | wow 2 days to copy my character |
| 03:28.22 | kebinusan | guess I play around in noob lands |
| 03:28.40 | JJSheets | lol |
| 03:29.46 | Amadeo | 2 days? wow |
| 03:30.03 | kebinusan | yeah thats what the character copy said |
| 03:31.17 | Amadeo | I'd check back in a while, just to double check |
| 03:31.20 | kergoth | i'm officially a moron |
| 03:31.35 | Amadeo | why? |
| 03:31.38 | Cairenn | JJSheets: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/cat89.html |
| 03:31.49 | kergoth | i'm a sword rogue using the dal rend set, blues, and Maladath, the sword of the black dragon champion dropped off of broodlord, i passed on it figuring i'm respecing for the expansion to daggers |
| 03:32.35 | Gngsk | get a CTS first |
| 03:32.38 | Gngsk | then get maladath |
| 03:32.39 | kergoth | er, runed blade of the black dragon flight |
| 03:32.44 | Amadeo | Runed blade? |
| 03:32.45 | Amadeo | yeah |
| 03:33.11 | Amadeo | it's a good weapon, but you'll get one just as good pretty quick |
| 03:33.14 | kergoth | at any rate, passing on a major (41.4 dps -> 56dps) upgrade for a possible future respec = idiotic |
| 03:33.17 | kergoth | true |
| 03:34.18 | eternally777 | 4H down w00t |
| 03:34.27 | kebinusan | eternally777: grats |
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| 03:34.38 | kebinusan | we're still working on gothik :-( |
| 03:34.51 | kergoth | Gngsk: ooh good point, cts would make a nice MH |
| 03:34.52 | Gngsk | <- wiping on thaddius |
| 03:34.55 | kergoth | :( |
| 03:35.03 | Gngsk | kergoth, yea that's what I use CTS/Maladath |
| 03:35.22 | Gngsk | I've had shitty luck with biding on the ripper :X |
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| 03:39.26 | Kaelten | how do you print the system path on a linux shell? |
| 03:40.56 | JJSheets | cwd |
| 03:41.03 | JJSheets | oh wait... |
| 03:41.06 | JJSheets | system path? |
| 03:41.15 | JJSheets | what exactly do you mean? |
| 03:41.17 | Kaelten | well cwd doesn't do aynthing |
| 03:41.27 | Kaelten | and now that I think about it I'm on freebsd anyway, so it may be different |
| 03:41.42 | Kaelten | PATH |
| 03:41.55 | JJSheets | ah... one sec lemme check... |
| 03:42.28 | JJSheets | echo $PATH |
| 03:42.30 | eternally777 | ? |
| 03:42.31 | eternally777 | mt |
| 03:43.33 | Kaelten | ah cool thanks :) |
| 03:44.36 | Kaelten | hrm looks like the info I'm looking for is probably in pythonpath |
| 03:44.38 | Kaelten | hrm |
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| 03:48.33 | ckknight | hey all |
| 03:48.41 | nymbia | hey |
| 03:48.43 | nymbia | how's class |
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| 03:49.13 | ckknight | boring |
| 03:49.15 | ckknight | want to sleep |
| 03:49.25 | ckknight | we're talking about network flow |
| 03:51.07 | ckknight | and I tend to pick things up quickly, at least quicker than how it's explained |
| 03:52.10 | Xuerian | ".... which lets you ....""Yeah, yeah, I get that keep'it movin" |
| 03:52.38 | ckknight | which makes me so bored that I talk on IRC in class. |
| 03:52.45 | kergoth | i was about to suggest that |
| 03:52.47 | kergoth | irc in class helps for that |
| 03:52.48 | kergoth | :P |
| 03:53.00 | ckknight | least I'll stay awake |
| 03:54.55 | Kaelten | night guys |
| 03:55.01 | nymbia | night kael |
| 03:56.43 | Kalamadi | Ooookay. So, we downed Vael half an hour ago |
| 03:56.48 | Kalamadi | We're still standing around the corpse |
| 03:56.53 | nymbia | lol |
| 03:57.17 | kergoth | hehe |
| 04:00.36 | ckknight | hehe |
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| 04:02.14 | Xuerian | It's bad when I can't figure out how my own code works. |
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| 04:04.48 | kergoth | Xuerian: heh, i've had that happen on many many occasions |
| 04:05.29 | Xuerian | It's like staring at one of those old scifi consoles with lots of sliding handles and buttons, and mashing them in consternation watching everything but what you want want to change, change XD |
| 04:11.20 | nymbia | that wouldnt be too bad |
| 04:12.15 | Xuerian | oskinned backdrops and relatively default ones size so damned differently v.v.... Anyhow, gotta see what haste does with the next version of things... for now... |
| 04:12.27 | Xuerian | Cheers. |
| 04:13.01 | nymbia | i dunno if haste was planning on continuing development, didnt someone else release a new mod based on oskin? |
| 04:13.16 | Xuerian | oSkin -> <Jncl> Skinner |
| 04:13.23 | Xuerian | Haste is going to remake it or something. |
| 04:13.28 | nymbia | ah |
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| 04:16.03 | nymbia | so, converting this defaults table to item ids is about the most painstaking thing ever. |
| 04:16.24 | Xuerian | Hmm? |
| 04:17.18 | nymbia | i'm converting manufac's default groups over to item ids. i didnt do it in the first place cuz i got it into my head that it wouldnt work right since there's some tradeskills that have the same results |
| 04:17.55 | nymbia | so now it's basically a list of 1500ish names that need converted to item ids |
| 04:18.09 | Fudge | nymbia, woe is you. |
| 04:18.11 | Xuerian | Geez o.0 |
| 04:18.14 | nymbia | hehe |
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| 04:18.41 | Xuerian | Why not do something with a LootLink db and a search? |
| 04:18.50 | kergoth | yea, definately automate it |
| 04:19.34 | nymbia | problem there is that the names dont match up in a lot of cases. enchants, for instance, i've gotta pull the spell id offa wowhead |
| 04:20.29 | nymbia | and for a lot of engi stuff, the spell name in the tradeskill window is different from the name of the result item |
| 04:20.33 | nymbia | stuff like that =\ |
| 04:20.54 | Xuerian | Erk =\ |
| 04:20.57 | Xuerian | How'd you get them in the first place? |
| 04:21.58 | nymbia | the old defaults file was the same format as the savedvariables. so just had to log into a character with the skills, sort them in manufac's gui, and merge in the savedvariables |
| 04:22.17 | Xuerian | X.x |
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| 04:25.08 | ckknight | anybody want to see some fun code? |
| 04:25.22 | nymbia | define "fun" |
| 04:25.31 | Xuerian | Sure, my brain isn't mush yet. |
| 04:25.33 | ckknight | interesting from a mathematical perspective |
| 04:25.38 | Xuerian | oh hell no |
| 04:25.52 | ckknight | function encode(a, b) local x = a + b; return (x^2+x)/2+a end |
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| 04:26.17 | ckknight | function decode(s) local t = math.floor((math.sqrt(8*s+1) + 1)/2)-1; local u = (t^2+t)/2; local a = s-u; return a, t - a end |
| 04:26.30 | ckknight | that will encode any two integers into a single unique integer |
| 04:26.34 | ckknight | and decode them back |
| 04:26.45 | ckknight | the size does not matter |
| 04:26.49 | Xuerian | o.0 |
| 04:26.51 | ckknight | they just have to be nonnegative |
| 04:27.03 | ckknight | I could add support for negatives if needed, though |
| 04:28.27 | ckknight | since rational numbers can be defined as a tuple, you can thusly define every single rational as a unique integer as well |
| 04:28.28 | ckknight | ;-) |
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| 04:30.25 | ckknight | it's interesting, you must admit ;-) |
| 04:30.39 | Xuerian | Interesting, yes. 0.o |
| 04:35.25 | ckknight | stumbled upon it when dealing with countably infinite sets |
| 04:35.54 | ckknight | and how N x N has the same size as N because of that ability to encode and decode |
| 04:37.04 | ckknight | because every tuple relates to exactly one unique integer and those results relate to exactly one unique integer each |
| 04:37.17 | ckknight | therefore N x N is countably infinite |
| 04:40.27 | ckknight | mmm... yep |
| 04:41.00 | Xuerian | Nifty o.0 |
| 04:46.41 | ckknight | I can also show that N* is countably infinite. N* is the set of all tuples of size 1, 2, 3, ..., inf. whose alphabet includes the natural numbers |
| 04:47.55 | ckknight | basically, for a tuple (x, y, z), that can be turned into a unique integer by doing p_1^(x+1) + p_2^(y+1) + p_3^(z+1) |
| 04:48.06 | ckknight | where p_n is the nth prime |
| 04:48.11 | ckknight | wait |
| 04:48.15 | ckknight | turn those +'s into *'s. |
| 04:48.26 | ckknight | p_1^(x+1) * p_2^(y+1) * p_3^(z+1) |
| 04:48.40 | ckknight | which can be factorized back into a tuple |
| 04:48.52 | ckknight | since every integer is a product of primes |
| 04:49.36 | ckknight | break your brain yet, Xuerian? |
| 04:49.45 | Xuerian | Oh, that happened 30 some lines ago |
| 04:49.50 | Xuerian | I'm just nodding now. |
| 04:49.57 | ckknight | hehe |
| 04:50.04 | ckknight | math is fun! |
| 04:50.19 | Xuerian | That's one way to put it! |
| 04:50.20 | Xuerian | :P |
| 04:50.35 | Xuerian | It is interesting though, it sounds like you've got a use for the above abominations in your head already :p |
| 04:51.07 | ckknight | nah, no real use yet for me, but it does apply to linear-bounded automata and such |
| 04:52.19 | ckknight | I'd thought of using the tuple-encoding for AceComm, but it's not really any more useful or efficient than just splitting it by bytes now |
| 04:52.42 | eternally777 | Has anyone noticed Grid sometimes not update units? |
| 04:54.02 | Xuerian | When out of range? >.> |
| 04:54.19 | eternally777 | No |
| 04:54.35 | eternally777 | Like just during Thaddius, my MT's health would just kinda stop updating while he was at 50% |
| 04:57.10 | Kalamadi | What more important for paladin's tier 2; getting the 3 piece or the 5 piece bonus? |
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| 04:59.52 | Adrine | Is there any kind of automatic profiling tool available for addons? |
| 05:00.02 | Adrine | Something that tells me X percent of my time was spent in call Y, etc? |
| 05:01.04 | ckknight | tekSupport |
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| 05:01.48 | Kemayo | Can anyone venture a guess as to why this would be giving me errors about "')' expected near ''"? |
| 05:01.50 | Kemayo | local glancing = ((defense . (weaponSkill <= playerLevel*5 and weaponSkill or playerLevel*5)) . 5) * 3 + 10 |
| 05:02.20 | Kemayo | ...the minuses appear to have pasted as . |
| 05:02.52 | eternally777 | It seems to happen after a tank receives a lot of heals really fast |
| 05:03.25 | eternally777 | I have screenshots |
| 05:03.27 | Xuerian | I'd poke pastamancer |
| 05:03.32 | Adrine | Thank you, ckknight |
| 05:03.39 | ckknight | Kemayo, you're missing a ) |
| 05:03.42 | ckknight | somewhere. |
| 05:04.08 | Kemayo | But I don't see where. I open three (, I close three ). |
| 05:04.33 | Adrine | Not the source of your problem, but |
| 05:04.35 | Adrine | "weaponSkill <= playerLevel*5 and weaponSkill" seems odd |
| 05:04.37 | MentalPower | I actually think its the minuses |
| 05:04.46 | Adrine | You have it backwards if you're wanting to shortcircuit that evaluation |
| 05:05.11 | ckknight | that's not odd, Adrine |
| 05:05.27 | ckknight | it gets the minimum of the two |
| 05:05.35 | ckknight | what I don't understand is defense . ( |
| 05:05.41 | ckknight | what's that `.` ? |
| 05:05.47 | nymbia | a minus |
| 05:05.50 | Kemayo | Sorry, in my copy that's "defense - (". |
| 05:06.00 | ckknight | okay... |
| 05:06.01 | ckknight | hrm |
| 05:06.03 | Kemayo | Pasting into a terminal went weird on me, apparently. |
| 05:06.29 | ckknight | Kemayo, it works when I put it in. |
| 05:06.43 | Nargiddley | is it possible its the prev line thats missing the ) ? |
| 05:07.04 | ckknight | that's likely. |
| 05:07.55 | Kemayo | I didn't think that was the case -- the previous line doesn't contain any (, and if I add another line between the two, it still complains of this one. |
| 05:08.43 | ckknight | hrm... |
| 05:08.50 | ckknight | pastey! |
| 05:08.58 | Nargiddley | could even be further back, the local keyword i guess would make it notice that its missing |
| 05:09.39 | nymbia | ace.pastey.net |
| 05:09.43 | nymbia | gogo! |
| 05:10.38 | Kemayo | http://ace.pastey.net/2304 |
| 05:12.06 | Kemayo | Ah, there we go. One of the minuses was really a different character. |
| 05:12.15 | Kemayo | I have no clue how that happened, but... |
| 05:12.17 | nymbia | that'll do it, heh |
| 05:13.16 | ckknight | bad, Kemayo |
| 05:13.20 | ckknight | stop being different. |
| 05:17.36 | CIA-17 | 03sayclub * r16547 10GotWood/ (GotWood.lua GotWood_Data.lua): |
| 05:17.36 | CIA-17 | GotWood: |
| 05:17.36 | CIA-17 | - Update koKR |
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| 05:19.32 | Adrine | Pasting code from Word again, eh? :) |
| 05:25.46 | Kemayo | Sadly no... I wrote the whole thing in SciTE. |
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| 05:56.13 | Adrine | Here's another question, then. Any way to get -only- the name of the calling function? |
| 05:56.21 | Adrine | Or am I going to end up parsing debugstack() output? |
| 05:56.44 | ckknight | parse debugstack() |
| 05:56.46 | ckknight | why? |
| 05:57.16 | Adrine | To get the name of the previous function in the call stack |
| 05:57.22 | ckknight | why? |
| 05:57.49 | Adrine | I'm writing a module to profile sanity using tekSupport, and I'll have it working if I can get the name of the function that was called originally. |
| 05:57.57 | ckknight | steal functions from AceLibrary, it does that |
| 05:58.06 | Adrine | Ooh, good to know. Thanks. |
| 05:58.08 | ckknight | in the error function and whatnot. |
| 05:58.19 | ckknight | near the top |
| 05:59.14 | Adrine | Yup, looking at it now |
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| 06:29.56 | CIA-17 | 03bhattu * r16548 10/branches/RoundRobin/ (RoundRobin.lua RoundRobin.toc libs/): |
| 06:29.56 | CIA-17 | RoundRobin: |
| 06:29.56 | CIA-17 | * More getting the mod ready - I think it mostly works now |
| 06:33.01 | CIA-17 | 03tigerheart * r16550 10AutoAcceptInvite/: AutoAcceptInvite: Invalid Upload. Removing for re-upload of correct files. |
| 06:34.17 | CIA-17 | 03tigerheart * r16551 10AutoAcceptInvite/ (. AutoAcceptInvite.lua AutoAcceptInvite.toc CHANGELOG.txt): |
| 06:34.17 | CIA-17 | AutoAcceptInvite: Initial commit |
| 06:34.17 | CIA-17 | - Auto acceptance/denial of invites (per person, entire own guild, or entire friends list) |
| 06:37.13 | CIA-17 | 03tigerheart * r16552 10AutoAcceptInvite/: AutoAcceptInvite: Updated externals |
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| 06:58.56 | Cairenn | key? |
| 06:59.01 | Greywind | yaya I recieved my beta key |
| 06:59.01 | Adrine | ....awesome. I got tekSupport to auto-profile my addon :D |
| 06:59.04 | Cairenn | yay! |
| 06:59.05 | Greywind | :) |
| 06:59.16 | Cairenn | just recently? |
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| 06:59.23 | Greywind | what a nice surprise after a horrible day at work |
| 06:59.31 | Cairenn | glad to hear it :) |
| 06:59.36 | Greywind | yeah just checked my email a few minutes ago |
| 06:59.49 | Cairenn | I've been tearing my hair out over those damn keys for days now |
| 06:59.49 | Kalamadi | Nothing beats chatting with your father about politics at 1:30 AM. |
| 07:00.06 | Greywind | other than talking about sex |
| 07:00.08 | Greywind | :P |
| 07:00.14 | ckknight | hey all |
| 07:00.26 | ckknight | Kalamadi, :-) |
| 07:00.34 | Cairenn | religion & philosophy are always good ones too |
| 07:00.42 | ckknight | Greywind, what was your ID#? |
| 07:00.58 | Greywind | good lord im downloading the beta client at 800kbps! |
| 07:01.17 | Greywind | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:01.28 | Cairenn | yeah, could wish the live servers downloaded as fast |
| 07:02.01 | Greywind | ckknight: id#? |
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| 07:02.24 | JJSheets | ckknight: instead of calling a function when clicking a map note, you could have it raise an event, performing the same action. (Continuation of last night's conversation). I'd be willing to code it up and send you a patch. |
| 07:02.42 | Cairenn | Greywind: if you click on the button on the front page of WoWI again, it tells you what # you were on the submitted lists |
| 07:03.50 | Greywind | 405 |
| 07:03.56 | ckknight_ | JJSheets, I still need to do some thinking on the id system and such. |
| 07:04.07 | ckknight_ | I need to study how MapNotes does it now... |
| 07:04.18 | ckknight_ | mine's like 41. |
| 07:04.24 | ckknight_ | I still haven't gotten one :-( |
| 07:04.31 | ckknight_ | stacks suck. queues ftw. |
| 07:04.33 | Greywind | thank god its modular, i hate map notes but i love Cartography hehe |
| 07:04.38 | JJSheets | ckknight: fine by me, I'm in no rush for it. Just offering a better solution. :) |
| 07:04.47 | ckknight_ | Greywind, hehe. you're free to turn it off ;-) |
| 07:04.55 | Greywind | oh i do :P |
| 07:04.56 | ckknight_ | I need a to do list for Cartographer |
| 07:05.05 | ckknight_ | that people can add to and I can check off things. |
| 07:05.20 | pastamancer | you mean like a wiki page? |
| 07:05.25 | ckknight | pastamancer, yea, that'd work. |
| 07:05.39 | Greywind | good lord i didnt know i had such a good upload rate! 120kbps for the beta client |
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| 07:05.51 | pastamancer | I have separate ToDo and wishlist pages for Grid on the wiki |
| 07:06.04 | ckknight | hrm |
| 07:06.08 | ckknight | might be worthwhile having |
| 07:06.49 | Cairenn | you mean like the feature requests on your portal at wowi? |
| 07:07.28 | ckknight | no, the portal is too hard to work with |
| 07:07.33 | ckknight | (sorry) |
| 07:07.40 | ckknight | and there are just so many requests |
| 07:07.42 | Greywind | brb guys, gonna check out Xchat for windows since I love it on my linux box |
| 07:07.42 | ckknight | it's so overwhelming |
| 07:07.45 | ckknight | that's the main issue |
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| 07:07.58 | ckknight | after I get so many requests, I just shut off |
| 07:08.01 | Cairenn | so make suggestions, you know we're open to them |
| 07:08.21 | ckknight | don't let people post the same things over and over. |
| 07:08.31 | ckknight | :-P |
| 07:08.51 | ckknight | I don't know, though, I don't have any good suggestions right now |
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| 07:12.52 | DrDre | geezus ckk |
| 07:12.56 | DrDre | u got carto done already? |
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| 07:13.06 | ckknight | DrDre, |
| 07:13.16 | ckknight | a day after I started it, it was usable. |
| 07:13.19 | DrDre | lolol |
| 07:13.25 | ckknight | use it. |
| 07:13.27 | DrDre | i remember the night u thinking of making it |
| 07:13.30 | DrDre | gonna try it out :p |
| 07:13.31 | ckknight | I mean, nothing is ever done. |
| 07:13.36 | DrDre | didnt know ud have it up that fast lol |
| 07:13.55 | Adrine | ckknight: I got it working. It's profiling my entire mod now, with a couple of exceptions that I've yet to solve (FauxScrollFrame_OnVerticalScroll) |
| 07:14.08 | CIA-17 | 03xuerian * r16554 10XLootMaster/ (XLootMaster.lua localization.enUS.lua): XLootMaster: Whoops. Let's not recursively nil a table that has keys in use in other places. Caught a unlocalized string too. |
| 07:14.11 | ckknight | Adrine, that's a Blizzard thingy. |
| 07:14.32 | Adrine | I know. It's just throwing a wrench in my stuff for some reason |
| 07:14.37 | Adrine | The callback isn't getting hooked properly. |
| 07:14.44 | ckknight | pastamancer, I'm stealing info from grid in a very copy-pastey manner |
| 07:15.14 | pastamancer | :) |
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| 07:15.21 | pastamancer | I hate the forums |
| 07:15.26 | DrDre | anyone got a screenshot of skinner |
| 07:15.33 | ckknight | I'm not fond of forums either |
| 07:15.35 | DrDre | look better than oskin? |
| 07:15.41 | Xuerian_Alt | Same thing, DrDre... |
| 07:15.44 | DrDre | O.o? |
| 07:15.48 | DrDre | same exact looks? |
| 07:15.52 | Xuerian | It IS oskin |
| 07:16.00 | DrDre | what was point of changing name |
| 07:16.05 | DrDre | so ditch oskin and get skinner? |
| 07:16.06 | Xuerian | Haste wanted the oSkin name back, jncl moved it to skinner |
| 07:16.33 | DrDre | ok im out of the addon loop for like a week and now im totally lost ;/ |
| 07:16.42 | Xuerian | Just remove oskin and put in skinner. |
| 07:16.47 | DrDre | k >_> |
| 07:16.52 | Xuerian | Though oskin works fine still :p |
| 07:17.17 | DrDre | doesnt like to skin my AH unless i toggle it in Duececommander :P |
| 07:17.23 | Xuerian | :P |
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| 07:17.41 | DrDre | if i turn it on and off in DC itll skin it, but from fresh start it wont |
| 07:17.57 | DrDre | and i only use auctioneer and um that really useful AH mod |
| 07:18.02 | DrDre | oh ya auctionsort |
| 07:18.27 | DrDre | or wait i was wrong :P AuctionFilterPlus |
| 07:19.15 | CIA-17 | 03nevcairiel 07TBC * r16555 10Bartender3/: Bartender3: creating new branch |
| 07:21.35 | CIA-17 | 03nevcairiel 07TBC * r16556 10Bartender3/Bartender3/ (. Bartender3.toc Bartender3.xml Core.lua): Bartender3: imported raw skeleton |
| 07:21.39 | DrDre | is XRaid2 XRS2 ? |
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| 07:22.07 | Xuerian | No |
| 07:22.28 | ckknight | http://www.wowace.com/wiki/Cartographer |
| 07:22.42 | DrDre | omg so much info ckk! |
| 07:22.50 | ckknight | hrm? |
| 07:22.54 | DrDre | sarcasm >_> |
| 07:24.41 | ckknight | confusing. |
| 07:25.54 | Gngsk | I think this would be a useful feature because _____ |
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| 07:26.41 | DrDre | oPen = win |
| 07:26.49 | DrDre | EasyUnlock was causing oSkin problems |
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| 07:28.16 | ckknight | Gngsk, yep |
| 07:29.11 | [Liquidor] | Hello everyone |
| 07:29.19 | DrDre | hmm whats otweaks do? CVar tweaks doesnt say much |
| 07:30.44 | Xuerian | zoom distance. tab target distance. stuff like that |
| 07:30.59 | DrDre | ok tab target distance sells me |
| 07:31.22 | [Liquidor] | It's an addon to change default options for your client |
| 07:31.32 | [Liquidor] | like max zoom distance etc |
| 07:31.41 | DrDre | cuz i cant stand that short distance |
| 07:31.55 | DrDre | im from FFXI im use to tab being a good way to choose target w/o mouse :P |
| 07:32.05 | [Liquidor] | Most of the options in your Interface options can be extended from what the option GUI gives you |
| 07:32.14 | Gngsk | wow's tab sucks ass |
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| 07:35.50 | CIA-17 | 03sylvanaar * r16557 10FuBar_SWStats2Fu/: FuBar_SWStats2Fu: Im in your SVN, updating your externals... |
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| 07:38.29 | CIA-17 | 03nevcairiel 07TBC * r16558 10Bartender3/Bartender3/ (. Bartender3.toc Core.lua): Bartender3:If you typo in your template already, it cannot work |
| 07:38.53 | DrDre | ckk do you have alot of the other map mods features in carto already? |
| 07:39.02 | ckknight | yes. |
| 07:39.05 | DrDre | sweet |
| 07:39.24 | ckknight | lemme put on the wiki what modules it has |
| 07:39.44 | kergoth | what saddens me is how massive atlas and atlasloot are. metamap is smaller than them even with its bloat. hopefully cartographer will get instances one day, or yatlas 2.0 will someday finish |
| 07:39.46 | kergoth | heh |
| 07:40.09 | ckknight | kergoth, I was planning this weekend |
| 07:40.17 | ckknight | I kinda want to get Notes pegged down first, though |
| 07:40.27 | ckknight | DrDre, http://www.wowace.com/wiki/Cartographer |
| 07:40.37 | Elkano | anyone mind posting sth about ItemDB for TBC (-> http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?s=&id=6018 ) in this thread? http://beta.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=291376&sid=1 |
| 07:40.43 | Xuerian | qft, kergoth. |
| 07:40.49 | Greywind | wow i love turboirc |
| 07:41.02 | Xuerian | Greywind: o.0... linkzies? |
| 07:41.06 | DrDre | cool, add Waypoint please :P i actually use that sometimes and use the auto waypoint to corpse |
| 07:41.10 | DrDre | arrow comes in handy |
| 07:41.25 | ckknight | you add waypoint. |
| 07:41.28 | ckknight | :-P |
| 07:41.35 | DrDre | sure give me 3 months to learn lua |
| 07:41.36 | DrDre | and i will! |
| 07:41.38 | Greywind | http://www.turboirc.com/t/ |
| 07:41.56 | DrDre | actually i could prolly learn it in 2 weeks if i wanted to, but i dont really have the urge too :P |
| 07:41.59 | Greywind | its so minimilist when you turn off all the toolbars |
| 07:42.07 | Greywind | lua is easy |
| 07:42.15 | DrDre | i know ive delt with it some |
| 07:42.38 | DrDre | being a programmar in general helps alot :P i can edit stuff |
| 07:42.49 | DrDre | i just dont know all the higher levels of actually doing stuff |
| 07:43.14 | Greywind | I wish i knew more programming |
| 07:43.20 | Greywind | more about * |
| 07:43.25 | DrDre | biggest think ive done is modify auctioneer's AskPrice module lol |
| 07:43.34 | DrDre | blocked BoP request and hid the whispers on my screen |
| 07:43.44 | Xuerian | DrDre: Lua takes about a day to be able to navigate through. It takes about a week to write without looking at the manual a ton. it takes another week or so to get used to lua + wowapi... Nowhere near a month :P |
| 07:44.02 | DrDre | lol i changed what i said :p |
| 07:44.09 | DrDre | its all about attention span tho! |
| 07:44.20 | DrDre | no real 'urge' to learn = me not learning it |
| 07:44.23 | Xuerian | Or the complete lack of anything else to do! |
| 07:44.31 | DrDre | yewah thats my problem |
| 07:44.35 | DrDre | i always have something todo ;/ |
| 07:44.38 | Greywind | it helps that i scripted maps in warcraft 3 |
| 07:44.45 | DrDre | so am i, but always something to do in wow |
| 07:44.45 | Greywind | almost the same syntax |
| 07:44.47 | DrDre | or a website to code |
| 07:44.52 | Xuerian | That was weird.. |
| 07:44.58 | Xuerian | Or you did it in the actual scripting language? |
| 07:45.39 | Greywind | the .jass scripting language of warcraft 3 was nice |
| 07:45.45 | DrDre | Greywind: crack into Final Fantasy epic rpg 0.8.6 map for me and crack the load code algorithim :( |
| 07:45.56 | Xuerian | Never did crack it open. |
| 07:46.24 | DrDre | -load 41-9-35-102-5-6-7-8-9-10-68-110-27-112-113-30-31-35-117-118-705367-28-67-55-41-0-0-38-6-15537898 |
| 07:46.32 | DrDre | it has a good checker at end |
| 07:46.44 | DrDre | the last 3 sections is the checks, 2 random digits then the final big block |
| 07:46.49 | DrDre | ive tried all kinds of math on it |
| 07:47.12 | Greywind | i never tried to crack the maps, hell i nver protected anything i did |
| 07:47.16 | DrDre | lol |
| 07:47.30 | Greywind | i spent most of my times helping other people >.< |
| 07:47.31 | DrDre | i wanna break the code and give myself like 6 of 1 item and own >_> |
| 07:47.46 | DrDre | cant equip more than 1 of same type lol |
| 07:47.54 | Greywind | lol |
| 07:48.09 | DrDre | 6 ultimate weapons would be like insane attack speed + damage |
| 07:48.37 | DrDre | ive tried to crack that system but no luck |
| 07:48.43 | DrDre | it has char name embeded some how |
| 07:48.50 | DrDre | i guessed ascii value of each char name |
| 07:49.17 | DrDre | i tried adding all values of the info and see if it devides evently with one the security codes and no go ;/ |
| 07:50.57 | pastamancer | why not just use a disassembler? |
| 07:51.15 | kergoth | a disassembler isnt likely to help him with that. |
| 07:51.37 | kergoth | but who knows |
| 07:52.44 | DrDre | is there a hud that looks like MetaHud in ace2? Same looks is what im looking for, MetaHud is a Drathals HUD continuation |
| 07:52.53 | DrDre | i dont like alot of the other huds appearence ;x |
| 07:53.07 | Xuerian | IceHUD |
| 07:53.08 | kergoth | why are you looking for an ace2 version? |
| 07:53.22 | DrDre | why not? ace everything i can :p |
| 07:53.39 | ckknight | fight the power, DrDre |
| 07:53.42 | DrDre | lol |
| 07:54.00 | kergoth | switching to ace2 doesnt imply an improvement. in a lot of cases it is, but that's due to the person doing the rewrite, not ace2 itself. ace2 is a useful framework, thats all |
| 07:54.18 | kergoth | in the case of metahud it might, just because metahud's ram usage is a bit high, but.. |
| 07:54.32 | DrDre | thats why i asked, im trying to ace2 big addons |
| 07:54.37 | DrDre | those lil small ones who cares |
| 07:54.45 | DrDre | stuff that does alot of framework |
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| 07:56.59 | DrDre | now i need to find replacements for all these SSPVP addons ;x |
| 07:57.28 | Greywind | yeah i got rid of sspvp too >.<, i sort of miss it though |
| 07:57.46 | DrDre | ima keep it until i can find a replacement :P |
| 07:57.52 | DrDre | that provides everything they do |
| 07:58.04 | Greywind | im using bgfu and honorfu atm |
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| 07:59.00 | DrDre | same :P |
| 07:59.07 | DrDre | i disable the duplicate features on SS |
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| 07:59.51 | pogrom0 | hello |
| 07:59.53 | CIA-17 | 03sylvanaar * r16559 10FuBar_RegenFu/: FuBar_RegenFu: Im in your SVN, updating your externals... |
| 08:00.05 | Kalamadi | sylvanaar's on a rampage again, eh. |
| 08:00.13 | DrDre | down to 188 addons |
| 08:00.45 | DrDre | was like 230 a while ago lol, had some disabled tho removed the disabled folders |
| 08:01.18 | Kalamadi | So. Who likes postrock? |
| 08:01.19 | sylvanaar | i upload my addons to game sites - they say 'cound not find dewdrop lib" |
| 08:02.05 | sylvanaar | what a load of crap |
| 08:02.05 | pogrom0 | hey guys...im a little lost |
| 08:02.07 | pogrom0 | would anyone mind enlightening me to what you guys are about? |
| 08:02.09 | pogrom0 | or what ace is |
| 08:02.18 | pogrom0 | im on the site and not finding much of WHAT it does or is |
| 08:02.20 | ckknight | ~wowace |
| 08:02.29 | purl | hmm... ace is a lightweight and powerful system for building World of Warcraft addons. It is coded to keep CPU-usage, memory-usage, and GC churn in mind. See http://www.wowace.com/ |
| 08:02.30 | pogrom0 | ~wowace |
| 08:02.32 | purl | rumour has it, ace is a lightweight and powerful system for building World of Warcraft addons. It is coded to keep CPU-usage, memory-usage, and GC churn in mind. See http://www.wowace.com/ |
| 08:02.33 | Cairenn | http://www.wowace.com/wiki/Main_Page |
| 08:02.41 | pogrom0 | i see |
| 08:02.42 | pogrom0 | ok |
| 08:02.49 | ckknight | :-) |
| 08:02.55 | pogrom0 | im tryin to find a way to connect to a private server |
| 08:03.05 | kergoth | this isn't the place for that |
| 08:03.07 | pogrom0 | not having much luck yet...anyone have any clue as to how to do this |
| 08:03.07 | pogrom0 | ok |
| 08:03.15 | pogrom0 | thats all i needed to know |
| 08:03.17 | pogrom0 | thanks |
| 08:03.22 | ckknight | Kalamadi, I accept your challenge. |
| 08:03.24 | pogrom0 | now that thats out of the way |
| 08:03.33 | pogrom0 | say i was playing on an offical server |
| 08:03.41 | pogrom0 | what sort of add ons do you guys create |
| 08:03.43 | ckknight | pogrom0, it's only $15/month. |
| 08:03.51 | ckknight | pogrom0, all kinds. |
| 08:03.52 | Kalamadi | I see your acception and raise you a cheese grater. |
| 08:03.52 | pogrom0 | you are very right |
| 08:04.06 | pogrom0 | ckknight could you give me an example of a popular addon |
| 08:04.12 | ckknight | Kalamadi, to match your cheese grater, I call with a jar of cookies |
| 08:04.15 | ckknight | pogrom0, FuBar |
| 08:04.19 | DrDre | erm |
| 08:04.25 | DrDre | wowaceupdator bugging on me |
| 08:04.28 | pastamancer | it's a lot easier to just tell people that we talk about whales in here |
| 08:04.29 | Kalamadi | ckknight: Oooh, good call, but I've got the milk. |
| 08:04.34 | ckknight | hrm |
| 08:04.42 | DrDre | its not downloading the non-installed addons i checkd ;/ |
| 08:04.44 | ckknight | ~whaleslap pastamancer |
| 08:04.45 | purl | ACTION beats pastamancer upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 08:05.18 | pogrom0 | ok |
| 08:05.24 | pogrom0 | let me go find out about fubar |
| 08:05.56 | Kalamadi | You guys let me down. I expected a link to the wiki to be up before I finished pouring my soda and writing this corresponding response. |
| 08:06.26 | ckknight | which wiki? |
| 08:06.32 | ckknight | I mean, Cairenn already gave the wiki |
| 08:06.33 | MoonWolf | wich link ? |
| 08:06.38 | MoonWolf | ah that |
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| 08:06.47 | Kalamadi | Nevermind, FuBar doesn't have an extensive layout on the wiki |
| 08:07.13 | ckknight | yea, I never cared to put it up there. |
| 08:07.14 | Kalamadi | Dammit, Lain! Bad girl! Bad. |
| 08:07.40 | Greywind | lol |
| 08:07.56 | ckknight | Lain? |
| 08:08.02 | MoonWolf | Lain is in your wires, disconnecting your irc. |
| 08:08.11 | Greywind | good god the beta takes forever to install |
| 08:08.21 | Kalamadi | ckknight: Look at Elkano's quit message |
| 08:08.21 | Greywind | MoonWolf: lol |
| 08:08.25 | pogrom0 | goddamn there are a lot of addons...just for fubar |
| 08:08.26 | pogrom0 | ok |
| 08:08.27 | ckknight | ah |
| 08:08.29 | pogrom0 | thanks guys |
| 08:08.29 | ckknight | fair enough. |
| 08:08.31 | MoonWolf | # Serial Experiments Lain is an anime series about a adolescent girl in suburban Japan named Lain Iwakura, and her introduction to the Wired, an international computer network. The original idea of the series was produced by production 2nd, the story was written by Chiaki J. Konaka, and the original character design was done by Yoshitoshi ABe. Lain is produced in English in North America by Geneon and in Singapore by Odex. |
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| 08:08.54 | Kalamadi | Yoshitoshi ABe also designed Haibane Renmei |
| 08:09.28 | MoonWolf | she eventually becomes part of the wired. |
| 08:10.17 | Kalamadi | To be honest, I think I liked Haibane Renmei a bit more |
| 08:10.47 | Kalamadi | The conclusion is like an orgasm; it's great on its own, but greater if you watch the first 12 episodes. |
| 08:11.01 | ckknight | I'm not fond of people who use illegal servers... |
| 08:11.19 | Kalamadi | ckknight: It's not illegal, per se. We pay for server access. |
| 08:11.35 | ckknight | mmm... think it goes against WoW's ToS |
| 08:11.41 | MoonWolf | i have a lot of respect for the people who can build the server. |
| 08:11.45 | MoonWolf | the people that play on them |
| 08:11.47 | MoonWolf | meh |
| 08:11.48 | Kalamadi | Doesn't WoW's ToS only apply to their servers? |
| 08:11.55 | DrDre | yeah |
| 08:12.03 | Mi|es | issue 21: Enter one-line summary |
| 08:12.07 | DrDre | the ToS is terms of service for the wow server :P |
| 08:12.15 | Kalamadi | I'm a lawyer. |
| 08:12.16 | Mi|es | gotta love users reporting on the bug tracker |
| 08:12.22 | DrDre | now it may fall under EULA of the game itself |
| 08:13.09 | DrDre | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1068990231680562950&q=talking+cat |
| 08:13.13 | Kalamadi | I do recall several instances of CM's specifically stating that we pay for server access; they can't revoke our right to own the game if we violate the ToS |
| 08:14.52 | sylvanaar | Kalamadi: sounds like a gray area |
| 08:14.53 | MoonWolf | one acronym |
| 08:14.55 | Greywind | DrDre lol wtf? |
| 08:14.56 | MoonWolf | DMCA |
| 08:15.10 | DrDre | lol |
| 08:15.15 | DrDre | someone sent me that |
| 08:15.42 | MoonWolf | creepy! |
| 08:15.51 | Greywind | good thing im allergic to cats, if i had a cat like that i would try to excorcise it >.< |
| 08:15.54 | Arrowmaster` | but dont many software licenses state that if you no longer agree to follow the license you must stop using and uninstall the software |
| 08:16.10 | Xuerian | moon is right, ToS means shit on private servers (Aside from them being able to freely terminate your official account), but the dmca is the lovely catchall for all crap today.... |
| 08:16.26 | Xuerian | That and the eula :D |
| 08:17.13 | Arrowmaster | i guess its a difference between purchasing software and purchasing software and then having to have a subscription to a service to use it |
| 08:17.20 | MoonWolf | And remember, every time you start WoW with a new patch, you are agreeing to the eula and tos. |
| 08:17.26 | MoonWolf | even if you do NOT play on their servers. |
| 08:18.12 | Arrowmaster | hehe but what if you remove the runonce.wtf before starting up after a patch =) |
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| 08:18.36 | MoonWolf | how many people do that ? |
| 08:18.43 | Arrowmaster | ive done it a few times |
| 08:19.06 | Arrowmaster | mainly when patching before the servers come back up and i dont want to forget to reenable my mods |
| 08:19.46 | MoonWolf | right |
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| 08:21.58 | Kalamadi | Alright, I'm burnt out |
| 08:22.17 | Kalamadi | And I have a long day of busting my brother's balls tomorrow, since he's grounded until next friday or so |
| 08:22.45 | ckknight | why? |
| 08:22.59 | Kalamadi | He's done a lot of wrong things in a very short period of time |
| 08:23.39 | Xuerian | o.0 |
| 08:23.52 | Kalamadi | Encouraging troublemakers to loiter around our property, causing a ruckus with the neighbors, problems in school |
| 08:24.17 | Kalamadi | Glee! |
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| 08:24.40 | Kalamadi | What's a good way to antagonize someone who can't leave the house? :O |
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| 08:25.01 | DrDre | hmm i dunno whats doing it |
| 08:25.06 | DrDre | but my fubar plugins going nuts |
| 08:25.08 | Xuerian | Fill it with noise he doesn't want to hear, people he doesn't want to see, things he doesn't want to smell... |
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| 08:25.22 | MoonWolf | find his ex. |
| 08:25.26 | MoonWolf | put them in the same room |
| 08:25.28 | Kalamadi | Postrock, that girl next door, uh. |
| 08:25.38 | Kalamadi | He's fourteen. He shouldn't have an ex. |
| 08:25.42 | MoonWolf | right |
| 08:25.50 | Kalamadi | Oooooh. I get it |
| 08:26.05 | MoonWolf | take his xbox/computer/tv/books(if he reads them) |
| 08:26.11 | MoonWolf | it will drive him crazy |
| 08:26.28 | Arrowmaster | dont take the console away |
| 08:26.31 | Kalamadi | I've already taken his computer. Now I have to hijack the remote and the PS2 power cable. |
| 08:26.32 | Arrowmaster | just the controllers |
| 08:26.39 | Kalamadi | The controllers are mine =3 |
| 08:26.57 | Xuerian | Taken his computer? Whyeverfor have you done that? |
| 08:27.00 | Xuerian | Just take the ram. |
| 08:27.10 | MoonWolf | taking the ram takes effort |
| 08:27.21 | Xuerian | Less than lifting the thing :P |
| 08:27.29 | Kalamadi | It's like a workout! |
| 08:27.38 | DrDre | hmm |
| 08:27.38 | Kalamadi | Anyway. I ramble. |
| 08:27.41 | Arrowmaster | disconnecting the power button on the case from the motherboard is more fun |
| 08:27.46 | Xuerian | hahaha |
| 08:27.50 | Xuerian | Sneaky. |
| 08:27.51 | DrDre | how do u get skinner to be transparent like u could do with oskin? |
| 08:28.04 | DrDre | i set the transparency bar to 0 and still opaque :( |
| 08:28.44 | Kalamadi | I think one of the best ways to really screw someone over is swap either the IDE chain order or the jumpers, depending on the mobo |
| 08:29.13 | Xuerian | Depending on how knowledgeable they are about it :P |
| 08:29.42 | Xuerian | But hm, jumpers is indeed a interesting idea. Just remove one completely. hehe. |
| 08:29.48 | Kalamadi | If your PC suddenly won't boot, how long would it take you to begin considering the HDD jumpers? |
| 08:30.04 | Xuerian | After it booted when I unplugged the ide chain. |
| 08:30.05 | Xuerian | :p |
| 08:30.16 | Fritti | gently loosen one of the RAM modules so that the PC still boots |
| 08:30.22 | Arrowmaster | even most knowledgeable people would only start checking jumpers after getting error beeps |
| 08:30.42 | Fritti | i tell you it'll crash in mysterious ways |
| 08:30.52 | Kalamadi | No, no, I mean the PC will still get past BIOS |
| 08:30.53 | CIA-17 | 03pb_ee1 * r16560 10ChatLog/ChatLog.toc: |
| 08:30.53 | CIA-17 | ChatLog: Updated TOC file. |
| 08:30.53 | CIA-17 | - Added DewdropLib OptionalDeps. |
| 08:30.54 | Xuerian | Arrowmaster: Depends if they did a clean board boot first, starting with ram, then cards, then ide. |
| 08:31.02 | Kalamadi | But it won't hit a bootsector on disk |
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| 08:31.33 | Kalamadi | Anyway, 'night |
| 08:31.35 | Arrowmaster | and actually i think most newer hard drives go into cableselect without jumpers |
| 08:31.38 | Xuerian | hehe, "CANNOT FIND NTLDR" |
| 08:31.45 | Xuerian | Damn. |
| 08:31.52 | Xuerian | 'night Kala|Sleep |
| 08:33.14 | CIA-17 | 03sylvanaar * r16561 10FuBar_SWStats2Fu/: FuBar_SWStats2Fu: good touch/bad touch? |
| 08:34.12 | Kemayo | phyber: I hate to be a pain, but Denial2's new "not using AceHook-2.1" thing doesn't seem to work. Or, rather, nothing happens when I click to open a storekeeer. |
| 08:34.31 | pastamancer | hmm, FAIAP seems buggy in TBC |
| 08:34.44 | Arrowmaster | grr so annoying, my pc sound is all fucked up and i keep having to use vlc to play videos and actually get sound instead of mpc which i usually use |
| 08:34.56 | DrDre | wth |
| 08:34.59 | Arrowmaster | maybe i should stop being lazy and fix my damn sound |
| 08:35.05 | Xuerian | Yep :P |
| 08:35.07 | DrDre | skinner only supports a certain degree of transparency |
| 08:37.06 | pb_ee1 | Is there a separate AddOn that enables you to have the MT Frames of oRA2 without installing oRA2? (or kind of the same frames) |
| 08:38.34 | sylvanaar | SWStatsFu got 900 downloads and 20 favorite links today - so i guess not embedding dewdrop wasnt a problem for everyone |
| 08:39.10 | pastamancer | doesn't fubar come with dewdrop? |
| 08:39.17 | sylvanaar | it doesnt |
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| 08:41.59 | sylvanaar | somehow though - they get the erron on my plugin - must be because I embedded ace - which I cant really get around doing either |
| 08:41.59 | Xuerian | Ok, I've gotta go to bed. Splitting my code into a lib is splitting my brain. 'night :P |
| 08:42.04 | Xuerian | Gotta be up in.... a hour, anyway. |
| 08:43.55 | sylvanaar | should i not list things on X=Embed's |
| 08:44.34 | sylvanaar | is acelibrary not looking for them because of that? |
| 08:46.05 | CIA-17 | 03xuerian * r16562 10XLoot/ (5 files): XLoot: Converted to internal skinning. |
| 08:47.45 | CIA-17 | 03xuerian * r16563 10XLootMonitor/ (DarkBottom.tga XLootMonitor.lua): XLootMonitor: Fixed tooltip bug. Converted to internal skinning. Changed bar texture. Cleaned up code |
| 08:48.15 | DrDre | isnt 100% = opaque 0% = transparent on the color picker O.o? |
| 08:48.23 | pastamancer | yes |
| 08:48.30 | DrDre | well skinner has it backwards lol |
| 08:48.35 | DrDre | thats why i couldnt get it transparent |
| 08:48.46 | DrDre | i was setting it to 0 |
| 08:49.36 | Industrial | http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=2981.new#new\ |
| 08:49.41 | Industrial | http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=2981 |
| 08:50.33 | Industrial | "hey um my guildies use this CT_RA edit so can you convert that to ora2 pls? snap snap coder monkey" |
| 08:50.55 | pb_ee1 | pastamancer: which addon do you advice to use in order to manage MT Targets with Grid? |
| 08:51.14 | pb_ee1 | I tried MainAssist but you cannot choose CTRA MTs with it |
| 08:51.19 | Industrial | s/snap/chop/g |
| 08:51.57 | pastamancer | pb_ee1: I still use ctra |
| 08:52.24 | pb_ee1 | pastamancer: ouchee, ok thanks for the info ;) |
| 08:53.54 | CIA-17 | 03sylvanaar * r16564 10FuBar_RegenFu/FuBar_RegenFu.toc: FuBar_RegenFu: missing dewdrop |
| 08:55.12 | kergoth | pb_ee1|away: why not use oRA2? it includes mt and pt frames |
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| 08:59.11 | nevcairiel | morning |
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| 08:59.56 | nevcairiel | can i do multiple inheritance in lua CreateFrame or do i have to use xml ? |
| 09:00.13 | Dahn | you can. just use a comma delimited list |
| 09:00.40 | nevcairiel | thanks |
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| 09:11.13 | DrDre | ckk |
| 09:11.18 | DrDre | the X button to close mapframe |
| 09:11.21 | DrDre | is like way off lol |
| 09:12.12 | vhaarr | ckknight: have you read about the coroutine stuff for lua 5.1? |
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| 09:13.24 | abbat_w | ;) |
| 09:13.33 | abbat_w | CastSpell and TargetUnit? :) |
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| 09:20.05 | ckknight | vhaarr, not much |
| 09:20.10 | ckknight | DrDre, oSkin bug. |
| 09:20.17 | ckknight | DrDre, bug the authors of oSkin |
| 09:20.28 | DrDre | ah |
| 09:21.02 | nevcairiel | so i have this AceOO class layout thing for my ActionBar addon, and i wonder what would be more efficient, registering the needed button events for every button class, or registering them once in my addon and calling the update func for every button from that central point |
| 09:23.41 | Kemayo | OMG. I only just realized that Mana Tap means that Blood Elf Paladins have a ranged attack for pulling. |
| 09:24.04 | ckknight | Kemayo, oh, wow |
| 09:24.45 | pastamancer | Kemayo: it's awesome. only works on mana users though |
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| 09:25.21 | Kemayo | It has a full 30 yard range... |
| 09:25.52 | nevcairiel | i bet they nerf it at some point |
| 09:25.55 | nevcairiel | only usabe in combat or so |
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| 09:27.24 | zoktar | hmm is there a trade channel mod ? =) |
| 09:27.27 | Kemayo | Honestly, only being able to use it on creatures with mana is probably enough. I mean, there's not much that uses mana which won't just stand back and blast at you if you get aggro at range. |
| 09:27.44 | pastamancer | it also doesn't do any damage so you can't use it to tap mobs |
| 09:27.49 | nevcairiel | fellow paladins :D |
| 09:29.34 | pastamancer | classes without targetable buffs are going to have a hard time with range-checking friendly units |
| 09:30.38 | nevcairiel | so, warriors, rogues and hunter, they dont care anyway :) |
| 09:32.00 | pastamancer | when I play my rogue, I find it handy to see who is near me in a BG |
| 09:33.11 | nevcairiel | you can still use the ~28yards interact distance |
| 09:33.19 | nevcairiel | its only not accurate enough for healers |
| 09:36.24 | Mikma | nevcairiel: waddup |
| 09:37.50 | nevcairiel | not much |
| 09:37.59 | nevcairiel | working through some AceOO goodness for bt3 |
| 09:38.42 | Mikma | is it good |
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| 09:39.42 | [Ammo] | morning |
| 09:39.48 | nevcairiel | mornin ammo |
| 09:41.10 | Elkano | rabbit / vhaarr, are you there? |
| 09:41.17 | vhaarr | Elkano: yes |
| 09:41.29 | Mikma | roflchopper |
| 09:41.39 | Elkano | you are maintaining bugsack, aren't you? |
| 09:42.35 | Elkano | there is a problem with | char in error messages since it would show color codes |
| 09:43.03 | vhaarr | Elkano: ah |
| 09:44.20 | vhaarr | let me fix that in a few minutes |
| 09:45.49 | Mikma | i don't get this idea of bouncing the ball on ground like n+1 times before punching it to the other side (Volleyball).. looks rediculous eventho it's women who do it |
| 09:46.22 | Elkano | well, it seems like simply replacing | with || in the color function fixes it but I'm not 100% sure if there aren't any side effects (eg errors that already have color in them) |
| 09:46.48 | Elkano | Mikma, maybe some mind tricks ;) |
| 09:47.36 | Mikma | Elkano: bouncy bouncy! |
| 09:48.27 | Elkano | wobbling moons? ;) |
| 09:50.02 | Mikma | ya |
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| 09:55.55 | Mikma | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info5528-Trinity_Buttons.html <- " * Shift-click minimap button to open the unique binding tool. |
| 09:56.17 | Mikma | almost sounds like he's proud of it.. it's colored as red ;) |
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| 10:00.21 | nevcairiel | hmm this SecureStateDriverTemplate thing is going to need some attention |
| 10:00.53 | Mikma | it sure will |
| 10:01.03 | Mikma | it handles the stancechanges |
| 10:01.21 | Mikma | nevcairiel: http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=1837.msg58847#msg58847 |
| 10:01.22 | nevcairiel | i am creating one state frame for every bar |
| 10:01.38 | nevcairiel | on "normal" bars thats SecureStateHeaderTemplate |
| 10:02.00 | nevcairiel | altho, i am not sure if we actually need that on any abr except the main bar |
| 10:02.02 | nevcairiel | but hey .) |
| 10:02.54 | Mikma | well only mainbar needs to change, i think |
| 10:03.06 | Mikma | or unless you're planning on making it configurehell :d |
| 10:03.23 | nevcairiel | i thought of pagemaster somehow, but it only changes the mainbar as well |
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| 10:03.45 | Mikma | well Pagemaster can be dumped now with the new Secure-code in TBC |
| 10:03.51 | nevcairiel | no |
| 10:03.55 | nevcairiel | thats what it does as well |
| 10:04.01 | nevcairiel | you can change the buttons if you press ctrl |
| 10:04.02 | nevcairiel | or so |
| 10:04.03 | nevcairiel | :) |
| 10:04.11 | Dahn|afk | nick Dahn |
| 10:04.22 | Mikma | nevcairiel: umm, what? which one |
| 10:04.39 | nevcairiel | SecureStateHeaderTemplate can do that |
| 10:04.43 | Mikma | yes |
| 10:04.51 | Mikma | that's why we don't need Pagemaster anymore |
| 10:04.51 | nevcairiel | and SecureStateDriverTemplate inherits from that |
| 10:04.59 | Mikma | all that code can be in Bartender now |
| 10:05.09 | Dahn | TrinityButtons is not really using the stance state for different buttons. he's just showing/hiding buttons from the header as the state changes |
| 10:05.13 | Mikma | as it is supposed to be very easy to make swapping bars |
| 10:05.32 | nevcairiel | yea i noticed that in trinity |
| 10:05.41 | nevcairiel | its way easier using the built-in actionchanging |
| 10:05.42 | Mikma | is it a good or a bad thing |
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| 10:05.44 | nevcairiel | from the stateheader |
| 10:06.13 | Mikma | so it's a bad thing, and you are doign it a good thing ;) |
| 10:06.23 | Dahn | ya but i'm having a hard time getting it working unless i inherit from both SecureActionButtonTemplate _and_ from ActionButtonBarTemplate |
| 10:07.00 | nevcairiel | i inherit from SecureActionButtonTemplate and ActionButtonTemplate, and it works great so far |
| 10:07.03 | Mikma | Dahn: well you propably need ActionButtonBarTemplate to get the buttons from normal actionbars to show up? |
| 10:07.24 | nevcairiel | you dont, you can recode your own functions todo that |
| 10:07.27 | Mikma | otherwise you'll propably have to drag&drop new skills in the bars (Which i hate) |
| 10:07.59 | nevcairiel | ActionBarButtonTemplate is basicly a full button, ActionButtonTemplate ( notice the missing Bar ) only is the button layout without any functionality |
| 10:08.15 | Dahn | Mikma: maybe. i really just want a new CheckButton to have multiple actions |
| 10:08.44 | Mikma | well anyway |
| 10:08.46 | Dahn | if I inherit from SecurActionButtonTemplate the stance swapping doesn't work |
| 10:08.49 | Mikma | have fun nevcairiel |
| 10:08.56 | Mikma | i need to go back to school already :P |
| 10:09.08 | Fritti | nevcairiel: sounds like you figured the action bar thingy out already -- how far along are you? |
| 10:09.11 | Mikma | another 3h to go. Electronics is fun! |
| 10:09.32 | Mikma | nevcairiel: btw share your code so i can see it ;) |
| 10:09.39 | Mikma | bb |
| 10:09.47 | Fritti | bye Mikma |
| 10:09.57 | nevcairiel | Fritti: i hope to have some basic actionbar with swapping working this weekend, until now its all in my mind waiting to be implemented, and in some proof of concept code snippets, heh. |
| 10:10.46 | nevcairiel | anyway, i need to leave for university soon as well |
| 10:12.06 | Fritti | hmm |
| 10:12.11 | vhaarr | Elkano: hmm |
| 10:12.16 | Fritti | I was going to do the same with AckBa |
| 10:12.17 | Fritti | r |
| 10:12.20 | vhaarr | Elkano: DCF:AddMessage("|") gives me | |
| 10:12.26 | vhaarr | Elkano: and || gives me || |
| 10:12.29 | Fritti | seems a bit of a waste to all do it at the same time |
| 10:12.34 | Fritti | or are you working on BT3 ? |
| 10:12.42 | nevcairiel | i am working on bt3 |
| 10:12.45 | Fritti | k |
| 10:13.29 | Elkano | well, but ||cffffffffbla|r ? |
| 10:14.07 | phyber | Kemayo: hmm. |
| 10:14.24 | phyber | Kemayo: I'll check it out later, but it should work fine. I was using it last night. |
| 10:15.01 | phyber | Kemayo: after you speak to him, try /script GossipFrame:SetAlpha(255); and see if that brings it back. |
| 10:15.22 | vhaarr | Elkano: I'm not sure what the bug is, I can't get bugsack to error |
| 10:16.10 | Elkano | vhaarr: /script GetItemInfo(nil) |
| 10:16.40 | Elkano | with my fix: <string>:"GetItemInfo(nil)":1: Usage: GetItemInfo(itemID|"name"|"itemlink") |
| 10:16.48 | vhaarr | Elkano: ah |
| 10:16.58 | Elkano | without the fix, it would show color codes before "name" and "itemlink" |
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| 10:26.02 | Greywind | ok now that i have played around with the blood elves time to start coding :D |
| 10:26.18 | evl | :) |
| 10:26.23 | evl | Male model looks silly |
| 10:26.31 | evl | gnomes ftw! |
| 10:26.39 | Greywind | too bad i gotta wait for my Druid to transfer, all my addons are for druids >.< |
| 10:26.57 | Greywind | well one is for shadow priests :P |
| 10:27.10 | pastamancer | they're almost like druids |
| 10:27.32 | vhaarr | Elkano: wonder why ret = string.gsub(ret, "(|[cr])", "|%1") isn't working .. |
| 10:28.50 | Elkano | in which way not working? it won't solve the bug, that's for sure... |
| 10:29.11 | vhaarr | that would replace |c with ||c and |r with ||r? |
| 10:29.52 | Elkano | I think it should |
| 10:30.25 | vhaarr | wouldn't that solve the problem? except the regexp isn't working. |
| 10:30.37 | krka | exactly what is that supposed to do? |
| 10:30.45 | vhaarr | I just said |
| 10:30.48 | vhaarr | that would replace |c with ||c and |r with ||r? |
| 10:30.55 | krka | but why? |
| 10:31.00 | Industrial | should yes |
| 10:31.05 | Industrial | but why? |
| 10:31.08 | Industrial | :p |
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| 10:31.54 | CIA-17 | T_Tracking: |
| 10:31.54 | CIA-17 | - Changed DB to AceDB |
| 10:31.54 | CIA-17 | - Changed vars |
| 10:32.16 | Elkano | hmmm... /dump string.gsub("|c|r", "(bla)", "|%1") -> "||c||r" :? |
| 10:33.36 | Elkano | vharrr: jou only want to replace "||[cr]" with "|(%1)" |
| 10:35.08 | Greywind | oh boy, the fun of searching for TBC updated addons |
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| 10:35.51 | vhaarr | Elkano: I want to replace "(|[cr])" with "|%1" ? |
| 10:35.56 | vhaarr | what do you mean ||cr |
| 10:36.08 | vhaarr | that wouldn't match anything? |
| 10:36.50 | Elkano | you should want to replace "||([cr])" with "|%1" <-- corrected ^^' |
| 10:37.00 | Greywind | bugsack in the trunk works in TBC? |
| 10:37.04 | vhaarr | yes |
| 10:37.07 | vhaarr | Greywind: topic |
| 10:37.08 | Elkano | only if the color string would break in output then fix it |
| 10:37.14 | Greywind | doh |
| 10:37.34 | Greywind | thanks vhaarr >.< |
| 10:37.38 | vhaarr | ^^ |
| 10:38.04 | vhaarr | Elkano: yes, if I do that replace after all the others |
| 10:38.28 | vhaarr | hm |
| 10:39.15 | Elkano | if you are replacing before, than you only want to replace those | that aren't control chars meaning those not followed by c,h,H or r |
| 10:39.42 | Elkano | oh, and | of cause |
| 10:41.27 | vhaarr | not even sure that's possible with lua patterns |
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| 10:43.23 | pastamancer | "(|[^chHr])" ? |
| 10:45.18 | Elkano | "(|[^chHr|])"? |
| 10:45.27 | pastamancer | ah, right |
| 10:49.47 | Greywind | is the TBC version of Clique in the repo anywhere or is it only on wowinterface? |
| 10:50.25 | phyber | not in branches? |
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| 10:50.57 | `-FISKER_Q | can you disable the quest feedback button in TBC? |
| 10:51.14 | `-FISKER_Q | (not that i don't want to give feedback, just annoying i have 10 ?'s in the bottom) |
| 10:51.23 | pastamancer | "Show Alerts" |
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| 10:53.18 | `-FISKER_Q | can you access it later? |
| 10:53.40 | pastamancer | the blue B on yoru minimap |
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| 10:59.57 | Sole | yo |
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| 11:04.30 | ckknight_ | gah |
| 11:04.33 | Sole | hai2u |
| 11:04.47 | CIA-17 | 03sole 07TBC * r16567 10Antagonist/: Created TBC folder remotely |
| 11:05.15 | Neebler | r u a q t pie? |
| 11:05.27 | Neebler | hardy har har |
| 11:05.31 | Neebler | sleep beckons! |
| 11:07.16 | CIA-17 | 03sole 07TBC * r16568 10Antagonist/Antagonist/ (13 files in 4 dirs): Antagonist: comitted initial TBC revision |
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| 11:24.37 | CIA-17 | T_Tracking: |
| 11:24.37 | CIA-17 | - Localization additions |
| 11:25.33 | sbu | 'morning |
| 11:25.48 | sbu | still no tbc key :/ |
| 11:25.56 | phyber | :( |
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| 12:01.46 | Industrial | sbu: they got lost somewhere, blizz will not send them again. |
| 12:01.54 | Industrial | sbu: thats what we got told yesterday. |
| 12:02.03 | Laric | anyone else got the problems today with aguf dont give menu on right clicks?` |
| 12:02.16 | sbu | Industrial: hm no - not talking about wowi keys |
| 12:03.14 | sbu | some ISP here has ~500 keys in a lottery |
| 12:03.39 | [Liquidor] | Any PHP coders here? |
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| 12:05.01 | CIA-17 | 03tristan * r16571 10T_Tracking/ (Core.lua Localization.lua): |
| 12:05.01 | CIA-17 | T_Tracking: |
| 12:05.01 | CIA-17 | - Finally all Localized and using AceDB |
| 12:06.06 | sbu | [Liquidor]: hm yep |
| 12:06.18 | Industrial | sup [Liquidor] |
| 12:06.23 | Industrial | been a long time tho |
| 12:06.26 | Saroz | AutoAcceptInvite? |
| 12:06.26 | Industrial | php 4 lol |
| 12:06.27 | Saroz | hrrm |
| 12:06.36 | Industrial | (and im a webdev :P) |
| 12:06.37 | Saroz | sounds like a bloated version of Acceptance |
| 12:06.38 | [Liquidor] | I got a pattern and need a reg. exp. |
| 12:06.52 | Industrial | Saroz: Automaton |
| 12:07.01 | Saroz | too many addons doing the same thing |
| 12:07.06 | Saroz | acceptance ftw |
| 12:07.13 | Industrial | automaton does alot tho |
| 12:07.41 | sbu | oh btw - which addon automatically hands over my alterac-queststuff (blood, armor scraps) to the quest-guy? |
| 12:07.42 | Industrial | theres also cappings for bg timers and stuff - very nice addon |
| 12:07.47 | Industrial | cappings |
| 12:07.48 | Industrial | :-) |
| 12:07.52 | sbu | ah :) |
| 12:08.06 | Industrial | used it yesterday almost got the riders on their ass |
| 12:08.23 | Industrial | but they went and capped aid already :( |
| 12:08.28 | sbu | [Liquidor]: then show us that pattern :o |
| 12:09.16 | [Liquidor] | Uhm the pattern isn't valid, here's what I'm trying to grab: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=([0-9A-Za-z-_]*) |
| 12:10.34 | Industrial | the manual says php regex is POSIX |
| 12:10.59 | [DiE]Celeb | think theres a :numchar: you can use for 0-9A-Za-z |
| 12:11.15 | sbu | mhh - i'd try something like: preg_match("/([^\=]*)\=([0-9A-Z\-\_]*)/ims",$string,$out) |
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| 12:12.03 | sbu | with $out2 being that docid - though its not safe if you have some other GET variables passed |
| 12:12.07 | [Liquidor] | wth is /ims? |
| 12:13.02 | sbu | insensitive, multiline, dot-matches-all (including newlines) - the most important thing is i ;) |
| 12:14.24 | [Liquidor] | preg_replace or preg_match? |
| 12:14.24 | sbu | wait... :p |
| 12:14.35 | sbu | i sec |
| 12:15.53 | sbu | [Liquidor]: just do preg_match("/docid\=([0-9A-Z\-\_]*)/i",$string,$out); |
| 12:16.30 | sbu | and matched pattern is written to $out[1] |
| 12:16.37 | [Liquidor] | Okay |
| 12:19.49 | CIA-17 | 03fritti 07TBC * r16572 10AckBar/AckBar/ (AckBar.lua AckBar.toc Libs/): |
| 12:19.49 | CIA-17 | AckBar (TBC): |
| 12:19.49 | CIA-17 | - edit svn:externals to point to the Ace2 TBC branch renaming Libs\foo folders to include version nr |
| 12:19.49 | CIA-17 | - switch to AceHook-2.1 for 2.0 doesn't work in TBC |
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| 12:23.31 | [Liquidor] | Yay \o/ thanks |
| 12:23.51 | [Liquidor] | http://217.157.187.104/GoldDiggers/guild_movies_preview.php?movid=1 - still working on the site though so don't even start :) |
| 12:25.04 | Industrial | [Liquidor]: phpBB :| |
| 12:25.10 | [Liquidor] | heh |
| 12:25.13 | Industrial | use python kthx |
| 12:25.21 | [Liquidor] | didn't bother to code all of it |
| 12:25.25 | sbu | python is nice :o |
| 12:25.28 | haste | looks like phpnuke =\ |
| 12:25.31 | [Liquidor] | don't know of python im afraid |
| 12:25.33 | Industrial | djangoproject.org |
| 12:25.35 | Industrial | sbu: --^ |
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| 12:25.52 | Industrial | django = win |
| 12:26.27 | [Liquidor] | btw while you're at it go watch the movie, quite cool |
| 12:26.50 | haste | Seen it already :D |
| 12:26.58 | haste | they have lots of those movies |
| 12:28.52 | haste | [Liquidor]: PunBB > phpBB btw :3 |
| 12:28.53 | [Liquidor] | ye |
| 12:29.06 | [Liquidor] | Guys you worry too much :> |
| 12:29.20 | Industrial | I just stretched so good I had to moan really hard |
| 12:29.35 | Industrial | almost just as good is what I always say :3 |
| 12:29.43 | Industrial | -just |
| 12:30.19 | Industrial | right back to twinking my char more |
| 12:31.15 | sbu | haste: i tried - but punbb usability - brrrrr :o |
| 12:31.27 | haste | sbu: nothing that some code can change |
| 12:31.43 | haste | sbu: I run PunBB on the guild forum, with some modifications |
| 12:31.57 | haste | for example: textile instead of bbcodes |
| 12:32.04 | Industrial | http://www.punbb.org/ nice site |
| 12:32.15 | `-FISKER_Q | netherstorm is awesome |
| 12:32.26 | sbu | :/ |
| 12:32.55 | sbu | still no betakey for me |
| 12:34.05 | Srosh | does Area52 got a own faction or is it linked to Cartel? |
| 12:34.09 | sbu | ~whaleambush `-FISKER_Q |
| 12:34.16 | purl | ACTION ambushes `-FISKER_Q with Giovanni, a whale that's a bit too big to be a dagger |
| 12:34.58 | Mikma | leh |
| 12:38.11 | `-FISKER_Q | it's a new faction |
| 12:38.11 | `-FISKER_Q | dunno if it's linked to cartel though |
| 12:38.12 | JoshBork1 | not linked |
| 12:38.12 | Srosh | well, does it appear under that header? |
| 12:38.24 | JoshBork1 | it's not linked |
| 12:38.31 | Srosh | k, thanks |
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| 12:42.52 | Mikma | muahahahaa! |
| 12:42.57 | Mikma | http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=1837.msg58956#msg58956 |
| 12:42.59 | Mikma | muahahahaa! |
| 12:44.27 | Gamefaq | crazy? O.o ;) |
| 12:44.44 | sbu | lol |
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| 12:44.47 | CIA-17 | T_Tracking: |
| 12:44.47 | CIA-17 | - Option to hide Minimap when not tracking |
| 12:44.49 | sbu | poor nevcairiel ;p |
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| 13:02.13 | Mikma | moo |
| 13:04.02 | JoshBork1 | oink |
| 13:04.32 | saroir | does anybody know some addon like KC_Items, but with "/auctioneer bidbroker"-like feature ? i could you auctioneer, but it's so huge =( |
| 13:04.36 | Mikma | baa-aaa |
| 13:08.40 | JoshBork1 | neeeiigh |
| 13:09.16 | sbu | <3 OneBagSorter |
| 13:09.49 | sbu | (w/ proper display, more categories (armor, weapons, trinkets, ...), etc. ofc ;p) |
| 13:11.12 | Mikma | http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o45/bronxware/T5_Warlock.jpg |
| 13:11.27 | sbu | t5? :P |
| 13:11.34 | Mikma | http://atreid.free.fr/tiers5/tier5lol.jpg |
| 13:11.46 | sbu | looks like pala |
| 13:11.57 | Mikma | http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o213/Fanzor/paladint5.jpg |
| 13:11.59 | sbu | but wth is t5? |
| 13:12.08 | sbu | looks like mage-priest :/ |
| 13:12.11 | Mikma | http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o45/bronxware/T5_Priest.jpg |
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| 13:12.17 | sbu | mh wait |
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| 13:12.24 | sbu | more like some robot thing ;p |
| 13:12.36 | Mikma | paladin looks like a powerranger :D |
| 13:12.39 | sbu | priest looks like anubis (SG1) ;p |
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| 13:13.56 | sbu | WTB gladiator's war staff ;p |
| 13:14.27 | sbu | http://worldofraids.free.fr/bc/arena-rewards/weapons/aw3.jpg ;o |
| 13:16.09 | mjc | wtf @ resilience rating :P |
| 13:16.15 | Mikma | omfh that staff |
| 13:16.23 | sbu | yep ;p |
| 13:18.02 | saroir | btw, folks, does anybody play on eu frostwhisper ? |
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| 13:22.30 | mjc | hunters no longer die when their FD timer runs out. they stand up |
| 13:22.36 | Mikma | heh |
| 13:22.36 | mjc | BOOO it was fun watching noobs die |
| 13:23.08 | saroir | never knew about it |
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| 13:25.36 | JoshBorke | morning@ |
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| 13:29.52 | haarm | ok guys, having a serious issue with Ace2 in TBC :P |
| 13:30.12 | haste | like? |
| 13:30.18 | haste | and with the branch or trunk? |
| 13:30.29 | haarm | it was the latest [TBC] from trunk |
| 13:30.43 | haarm | basically, macros |
| 13:30.59 | haarm | looks like Ace2 must be hooking something from the "secure" part of the UI |
| 13:31.08 | haarm | I have a screenshot, brb |
| 13:31.14 | JoshBorke | haarm: disable AceComm |
| 13:31.23 | JoshBorke | haarm: it's a bug and slouken is working on a solution |
| 13:31.40 | haarm | JoshBorke, the one where he "fixed" the secure templates exploit? |
| 13:31.47 | JoshBorke | no |
| 13:32.08 | JoshBorke | it's a bug caused by AceComm hooking the chatframe functions so that it can hide whispers and channels |
| 13:32.14 | haarm | well last patch, this macro worked, but failed in combat, now i get a message saying "Ace2 has been blocked" |
| 13:32.31 | JoshBorke | like i said. it is the AceComm portion |
| 13:32.53 | JoshBorke | AceComm hooks functions from the ChatFrame thereby tainting the execution stream making it insecure |
| 13:33.03 | JoshBorke | if you remove AceComm-2.0.lua you should be fine |
| 13:33.53 | Mikma | well, i made a feedback with the new UI about getting a feature to reuse the existing buttons without having to create new buttons to do the same exact thing |
| 13:38.05 | evl | http://multimedia.mcb.harvard.edu/anim_innerlife.html |
| 13:38.07 | evl | wierdness inc |
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| 13:41.07 | [Wobin] | sigh =( |
| 13:41.12 | [Wobin] | Our first MC run |
| 13:41.24 | [Wobin] | Got up to the Harbingers with a single wipe =P |
| 13:41.32 | [Wobin] | and just wiped endlessly on them =P |
| 13:41.49 | haste | harbringers? |
| 13:42.06 | [Wobin] | Sulfuran |
| 13:42.10 | haste | aaah |
| 13:42.28 | [Wobin] | harbinger singular I guess =) |
| 13:42.43 | haste | we have usual wipe spots on our cash runs :D |
| 13:42.49 | beerke | question: I kinda finished my Loatheb Tactical module which adds potion warnings and spore warnings with whispers and raidicons. Could i kinda get SVN access or something and up it into the SVN for public people ? |
| 13:42.54 | [Wobin] | Didn't do too badly, for the first run |
| 13:43.13 | [Wobin] | beerke: send an email to Cladhaire or Tekkub |
| 13:43.21 | beerke | okidoki, will do that |
| 13:43.27 | haste | beerke: http://www.wowace.com/wiki/SVN_Rules#Getting_an_Account |
| 13:43.58 | haarm | yea it was AceComm, ty :) at least they fixed trinket macros in combat now :P |
| 13:46.08 | Mikma | http://wow.reaktio.net/fberror.jpg :DD |
| 13:46.19 | Mikma | really nice error after using the feedback-thing ;D |
| 13:47.49 | haarm | ;D |
| 13:49.36 | Fritti | does the TBC branch of AceHook-2.1 function in 1.12 as well? |
| 13:51.45 | Mikma | no idea |
| 13:52.32 | [Wobin] | Mikma: Two strings walk into a bar. The first says: "I'll have a gin and tonicslkjwelk23jel2i3jed2l3mdl23dm ldkm2l 2kj32k3jl23jl2k3e", the second says: "You'll have to forgive my friend, he's not null terminated." |
| 13:53.02 | Mikma | Worf: ok then :) |
| 13:53.18 | Mikma | Worf? |
| 13:53.20 | Mikma | [Wobin]: ! |
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| 14:00.46 | Industrial | [Wobin]: lol -_- |
| 14:00.56 | vhaarr | beerke: And why is it not implemented in BWHBA? |
| 14:01.06 | mjc | any US TBC people around ? |
| 14:01.10 | Industrial | BWHBA? |
| 14:01.11 | mjc | I want a guild invite |
| 14:01.39 | Industrial | lucky fucker >;\ |
| 14:02.26 | mjc | go on wowi and sign up |
| 14:02.26 | Industrial | i did |
| 14:02.27 | Industrial | i didnt get any key |
| 14:02.42 | Industrial | oh wait, hmmmmm |
| 14:03.58 | Industrial | you just gave me good idea |
| 14:03.59 | Industrial | :P |
| 14:04.14 | CIA-17 | 03fritti 07TBC * r16579 10AckBar/AckBar/ (AckBar.lua Bindings.xml): |
| 14:04.14 | CIA-17 | AckBar: |
| 14:04.14 | CIA-17 | - really reuse the Blizzard buttons for the MultiActionBars. Now AckBar only creates new buttons for bar #2. |
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| 14:13.00 | mjc | what happened to the TBC branch |
| 14:13.01 | mjc | ? |
| 14:14.07 | haste | of? |
| 14:14.23 | mjc | thought there was a folder for everything, guess it's just a branc hof each mod. |
| 14:14.28 | mjc | eg /branches/*/TBC |
| 14:16.09 | CIA-17 | 03tristan * r16580 10T_Tracking/T_Tracking.toc: |
| 14:16.09 | CIA-17 | T_Tracking: |
| 14:16.10 | CIA-17 | - Updated .toc |
| 14:16.53 | Fritti | anybody here know the link to the TBC interface extraction tool? |
| 14:17.04 | Fritti | or do I have to use a .MPQ extractor myself? |
| 14:17.56 | beerke | vhaarr, cause BWHBA is a healing rotation mod. Mine is a spore warning and consumable mod. Also BWHBA counts from group 1 to 8, while mine counts from 8 to 1. Also mine was made before BWHBA added group rotation for spores in it |
| 14:18.13 | vhaarr | okay |
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| 14:19.48 | beerke | anyways a more noob question as i can't read it up somewhere but how are variables like in the TOC like X-BUILD and X-ReleaseData or in the lua the revision in the module declaration being set. Doubt it is done manually each time on a commit. |
| 14:19.56 | Fritti | nm found it on wowi.com main page |
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| 14:20.10 | tkieffer | rrr |
| 14:20.30 | mjc | they're giong to wipe all the closed beta chars eh |
| 14:20.34 | [Wobin] | yeah |
| 14:20.57 | [Wobin] | beerke: You probably need to set the keywords in the svn data |
| 14:21.10 | mjc | blah |
| 14:21.18 | beerke | well was reading the SVN commit topic, but can't find it in there |
| 14:23.49 | haste | beerke: keywording and other SVN features are in the SVN book :) |
| 14:23.58 | beerke | okidoki |
| 14:24.04 | haste | http://svnbook.red-bean.com/' |
| 14:24.21 | mjc | TBC sure loads fast as shit |
| 14:24.30 | mjc | SVK > SVN :p |
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| 14:27.59 | haste | SVK looks interesting |
| 14:28.59 | Greywind | ok off to bed i go, my blood elf mage is now lvl 10 so i can sleep :P |
| 14:31.34 | Kala|Sleep | ~seen cncfanatics |
| 14:31.41 | purl | cncfanatics <n=cncfanat@158.175-136-217.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 1d 18h 24m 8s ago, saying: 'WTB'. |
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| 14:32.38 | deci | Wobin....is a walrus |
| 14:33.19 | Wobin | yes |
| 14:33.21 | Wobin | This is true |
| 14:34.28 | mjc | TBC is a PITFA |
| 14:35.42 | mjc | god it's cold as fuck in here |
| 14:36.11 | JoshBorke | mjc: why is TBC a PITFA? |
| 14:36.36 | mjc | redoing my addon pack |
| 14:36.39 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 14:37.01 | mjc | and all of its libs and crap... |
| 14:41.21 | Mikma | agUF is acting weird |
| 14:41.29 | mjc | how so mikma |
| 14:41.42 | Mikma | i see same partymember duplicated as other partymembers |
| 14:42.06 | Mi|es | something broke in the party interface since last patch |
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| 14:43.26 | mjc | I'll see if it happens to me |
| 14:45.37 | vhaarr | known bug |
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| 14:48.57 | mjc | vhaarr: in TBC or in ag |
| 14:49.05 | vhaarr | ag in TBC |
| 14:49.12 | mjc | ah |
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| 15:01.31 | Mikma | GG TBC! |
| 15:01.45 | Mikma | put me in wrong instance with all the elites unkilled |
| 15:01.49 | Mikma | then i tried to run to the instance |
| 15:02.06 | Mikma | kicked me out from my char and now won't let me enter with my priest anymore |
| 15:04.19 | phyber | /bug fixitfixitfixitfixitfixit |
| 15:04.20 | MoonWolf | ... |
| 15:05.08 | Mi|es | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:05.56 | mjc | dewdrop-2.0 doesn't want ot load for me in TBC. did I miss something ? |
| 15:06.04 | phyber | ah, so you have to use psychic powers to report bugs now? |
| 15:06.05 | Mikma | OH FFS! |
| 15:06.11 | Mikma | and again it kicked me out when i died |
| 15:07.04 | mjc | oh haha |
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| 15:08.25 | vhaarr | mjc: Dewdrop works fine. |
| 15:08.40 | Mikma | "FuBar has been blocked from an action only available to the Blizzard UI" :) |
| 15:08.41 | mjc | svk cp to a checkout doesn't update $Revision$ |
| 15:08.52 | vhaarr | Mikma: Must be one of your plugins. |
| 15:09.10 | Mikma | i can't click any buttons :D |
| 15:09.33 | Mikma | right |
| 15:09.37 | Mikma | had to disable about all addons lol |
| 15:09.43 | Mi|es | Mikma, you evil wow hacker. Burn in righteous fire! :P |
| 15:10.07 | Mi|es | the new security model is worse than the scarlet crusade >< |
| 15:10.40 | CIA-17 | 03cwdg * r16582 10BigWigs_NefCount/ (BigWigs_NefCount.lua BigWigs_NefCount.toc): |
| 15:10.40 | CIA-17 | BigWigs_NefCount: |
| 15:10.40 | CIA-17 | Add zhCN locale. |
| 15:11.41 | beerke | Does closetgnome have keybindings for sets ? |
| 15:12.46 | Srosh | iirc only in TBC not in vanilla WoW |
| 15:13.51 | Fritti | Mikma: ok, I'm beginning to understand your frustration now :) |
| 15:14.23 | Mikma | Fritti: :DDD |
| 15:14.30 | Mikma | thank god i'm not alone |
| 15:14.45 | Fritti | the only solution I see is to recreate the stance swap buttons |
| 15:14.54 | Fritti | using the SecureStateHeader and friends |
| 15:15.04 | Fritti | but I don't think you can recreate the stance swaps by taking over blizzard buttons |
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| 15:16.19 | Mikma | yeah |
| 15:16.23 | Mikma | that's what nevcairiel said too |
| 15:16.25 | Fritti | *goes over ActionBarFrame.xml and friends once more* |
| 15:16.38 | Mikma | i made a suggestion to blizzard about being able to reuse their buttons |
| 15:16.44 | mjc | anyone have a TBC porting guide? |
| 15:16.53 | Mikma | "i don't want to create new buttons to do the same that existing buttons already do" |
| 15:16.56 | Fritti | slouken might rewrite his action bar code to use the headers as well in the future |
| 15:17.05 | Fritti | but for now he's free to use secure stuff, and we can't |
| 15:17.11 | Mikma | yeah lol |
| 15:17.20 | Fritti | which kind of makes it impossible as far as I can see :) |
| 15:17.35 | Fritti | hmm, maybe if I leave the parent frames intact and massage them into place... |
| 15:18.06 | Mikma | well I blame Tem and Iriel :D |
| 15:18.29 | MoonWolf | how the other mod handle stance switching ? |
| 15:18.31 | Fritti | nah, they just didn't think about button reuse, only about creating new ones |
| 15:18.36 | Fritti | by creating new buttons |
| 15:18.43 | Kalamadi | God. Only Microsoft would make something so retarded as version 1.0, then a patch from 1.0 to 1.1, but initial version 1.1 |
| 15:18.48 | Fritti | the SecureStateHeader and friends are pretty good |
| 15:18.59 | Kalamadi | s/but/but no/ |
| 15:19.03 | Fritti | but Bartender & AckBar try to reuse Blizz buttons and that's fubar'ed |
| 15:19.20 | MoonWolf | right |
| 15:19.32 | MoonWolf | when i fix lern2count ill have to write a bunch more plugins then. |
| 15:19.39 | CIA-17 | 03cwdg * r16583 10BigWigs_NefCount/BigWigs_NefCount.lua: |
| 15:19.39 | CIA-17 | BigWigs_NefCount: |
| 15:19.39 | CIA-17 | Use UTF-8 for zhCN locale |
| 15:20.18 | Fritti | MoonWolf: plugins? |
| 15:20.39 | MoonWolf | lern2count uses plugins for bars that don't act like regular blizzard bars. |
| 15:21.03 | Fritti | ah right |
| 15:21.39 | Fritti | I'm going to try one more thing, by not reparenting anything and just manipulating the main action bar frame, maybe that'll work |
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| 15:22.03 | Fritti | and if that doesn't work I'm caving in creating new buttons |
| 15:22.09 | XLVII | I was just given a large sum of gold by a fellow guildy (excess of 500g+) and I was wondering, what consumables (food / potions) should I buy for regular raiding? I'd want everything to last for a while. |
| 15:22.23 | Xuerian|Zzz | Last a while? Potions? Regular raiding? |
| 15:22.39 | Xuerian | Those don't exactly align. |
| 15:22.49 | Kalamadi | Elixirs of the Mongoose, Mageblood Potions, Elixir of Giants, Troll Blood Potions |
| 15:23.07 | Kalamadi | Get Knight rank+ and soak up the cheap potions there, too. |
| 15:24.28 | XLVII | ;O |
| 15:24.32 | XLVII | I'm Horde, lol. |
| 15:24.41 | XLVII | I'm a Rogue too.. |
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| 15:26.27 | odt | flasks |
| 15:26.46 | odt | mongoose/firewater/giants/flasks |
| 15:26.55 | Kalamadi | Flasks are the fast way to run out of money. |
| 15:26.59 | odt | ye |
| 15:27.00 | deci | http://content.imagesocket.com/images/omg_best_pet_everd19.jpg |
| 15:27.16 | mjc | yay for sed |
| 15:27.22 | deci | that > dragon hawk/moths |
| 15:27.27 | Kalamadi | Yay for toaster strudels. |
| 15:27.29 | JoshBorke | The action buttons blizzard uses don't inherit the Secure templates |
| 15:27.35 | Mikma | mana wyrmling? |
| 15:27.37 | Kalamadi | Also, yay for traps. |
| 15:27.42 | Mi|es | run mc/bwl for money for 900g a week. endless flasks! :P |
| 15:27.54 | mjc | how do I copy my char to the TBC realm ? |
| 15:28.26 | XLVII | Do Major Healing Potions and Whipper Root Tubers share a cool down? |
| 15:29.12 | CIA-17 | 03mcc * r16584 10FuBar_RegenFu/FuBar_RegenLocal-zhTW.lua: FuBar_RegenFu: update Chinese translation |
| 15:29.13 | deci | mjc: https://beta.worldofwarcraft.com/expansion/ |
| 15:29.21 | Amadeo | bleh |
| 15:29.21 | deci | click on the "Character Copy" part |
| 15:29.24 | Amadeo | still no WoWI key |
| 15:29.31 | Kyahx|afk | Amadeo: same here |
| 15:29.33 | Kyahx|afk | #120 |
| 15:29.36 | mjc | thanks deci |
| 15:29.36 | Amadeo | #41 |
| 15:29.39 | Amadeo | :( |
| 15:29.50 | Amadeo | Kyahx|afk: Hold me |
| 15:29.53 | Kyahx|afk | I wonder if *anyone* under say #150 got theirs |
| 15:30.07 | Amadeo | Yeah, I'm not sure either |
| 15:30.10 | JoshBorke | what's this number you speak of? |
| 15:30.58 | Kyahx|afk | http://www.wowinterface.com/tosbeta.php |
| 15:31.05 | Kyahx|afk | You can see what number your name is on the key list |
| 15:31.20 | JoshBorke | haha, i'm number 5 |
| 15:31.29 | Kyahx|afk | Did you get yours? |
| 15:31.35 | JoshBorke | no |
| 15:31.42 | Kyahx|afk | Theory's good so far then :P |
| 15:32.01 | Fritti | 391 and I have it already... *comforts all of you* |
| 15:32.05 | Amadeo | My guess is that Blizzard lost some emails |
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| 15:33.11 | Kyahx|afk | Fritti: Blizz went backwards, people at the end of the batch got theirs first |
| 15:33.19 | Amadeo | Kyahx|afk: I don't think they did |
| 15:33.23 | Amadeo | They just screwed up |
| 15:33.32 | Amadeo | They claimed they sent out the first batch back on Monday |
| 15:33.38 | Amadeo | for the first list |
| 15:34.14 | Kyahx | hrmph |
| 15:34.43 | kebinusan | yea I submitted mine earlier this week and got it yesterday |
| 15:35.18 | Kyahx | =/ |
| 15:35.32 | Kyahx | so fucking lame |
| 15:35.48 | Amadeo | I guess it takes over a week for Blizzard to fix problems |
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| 15:36.45 | mjc | oh man nerf BE mages |
| 15:36.50 | Kyahx | I reactivated my account for a key =/ |
| 15:36.55 | Kalamadi | mjc: Eh? |
| 15:36.59 | Kyahx | I was going to quit because normal WoW is boring |
| 15:37.04 | Kyahx | so now im paying for nothing :( |
| 15:37.23 | mjc | Kalamadi: I just dinged lvl10 in 15mins without ever getting hit by a mob... |
| 15:37.34 | Kalamadi | mjc: Is that due to racials or something? |
| 15:37.37 | mjc | yeah |
| 15:37.42 | Kalamadi | Such as? :o |
| 15:37.43 | Mi|es | oO? |
| 15:37.45 | mjc | mana tap/arcane torrent |
| 15:38.07 | kebinusan | yeah manatap/arcane torrent is fun |
| 15:38.27 | kebinusan | Im waiting for my main to be copied over so I can check out beyond the dark portal |
| 15:38.36 | Kalamadi | I'm still upset. Draenei/BE/Undead racials seem infinitely better than mine :/ |
| 15:38.47 | Kyahx | Allies get screwed |
| 15:38.52 | Amadeo | I swear, by the time a key comes (if at all), TBC will be out :P |
| 15:39.05 | Kalamadi | <= dwarven |
| 15:39.39 | Kalamadi | Paladin, at that. I get to become immune to bleed/disease/poison and get a 10% increase to armor every 3 minutes and can detect treasure. Oh joy! |
| 15:39.48 | Amadeo | ooooh |
| 15:39.51 | Amadeo | Detect Treasure! |
| 15:40.09 | Kalamadi | Yeah. I only use it to save time in Strath >_> |
| 15:40.10 | Amadeo | Stoneform is awesome though |
| 15:40.28 | Kalamadi | It's underpowered. I only ever use it to keep rogues from blinding me through my cheap bubble |
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| 15:40.37 | Kyahx | Its nothing compared to WoTF and Devouring Plauge thou |
| 15:40.41 | kebinusan | perception is worthless |
| 15:40.46 | kebinusan | especially with shadow step |
| 15:40.52 | Kalamadi | WoTF is incredibly powerful |
| 15:40.58 | Amadeo | Well you're a Paladin, so you can already cure disease |
| 15:41.06 | Amadeo | but a Warrior who can cure his own Devouring Plague is awesome |
| 15:41.10 | Kalamadi | (and poison) |
| 15:41.21 | Kalamadi | Immunity to a large number of PVP crown controls is an awesome racial |
| 15:41.44 | Kalamadi | Totally shuts down warlocks, priests, makes life harder for warriors -_- |
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| 15:42.05 | Amadeo | it's mainly awesome because you don't have to equip a PvP trinket |
| 15:42.11 | Kalamadi | Aye |
| 15:42.24 | kebinusan | cannibalize is a decent racial too |
| 15:42.39 | Kyahx | free food in PvP :P |
| 15:42.43 | Amadeo | hehe |
| 15:42.55 | Fritti | hmm, I have an idea that might work Mi|es |
| 15:42.56 | Kalamadi | All the advantages of Stoneform are lost because poison can be cleansed with ease (disease in PVP? No) and bleed effects are weak |
| 15:42.56 | Fritti | err |
| 15:42.57 | Fritti | Mikma: |
| 15:44.10 | Amadeo | Kalamadi: Devouring Plague is disease |
| 15:44.27 | Kalamadi | It's so marginal, though. |
| 15:44.36 | Amadeo | between Human and Dwarf, Dwarf is better imo |
| 15:44.56 | Kalamadi | One half-decent combat ability > none |
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| 15:45.17 | Amadeo | yeah |
| 15:45.42 | Kalamadi | Doesn't change the fact that some massive balancing needs to occur :/ |
| 15:46.07 | Amadeo | Horde has better racials, but I don't think it's game breaking...I see Alliance own in plenty of BGs |
| 15:46.29 | Kalamadi | Usage of racials can make or break small skirmishes |
| 15:46.32 | kebinusan | its kinda weird, the only real racial I see horde bitching about is fear ward |
| 15:46.42 | Amadeo | besides, with Draenei coming in and two Priest races with Fear Ward.. |
| 15:46.46 | Kalamadi | 25% resistance to stun can completely shut me down when I'm trying to buy times to heal |
| 15:47.02 | Amadeo | Fear Ward > WotF |
| 15:47.08 | Kalamadi | Tauren shamans... *shudder* |
| 15:47.11 | Amadeo | stun resist is nerfed in TBC |
| 15:47.12 | Kalamadi | WotF can't be dispelled |
| 15:47.26 | JoshBorke | alliance get 2x fear ward while horde get 0 :-D |
| 15:47.28 | Kalamadi | Yes. to 15%! And then then can get 15% more. So 30%. |
| 15:47.36 | Kalamadi | then they, rather |
| 15:47.49 | Amadeo | For who? Warriors? That's better than 40% |
| 15:48.11 | CIA-17 | 03rabbit * r16585 10ClosetGnome/ (ClosetGnome.lua ClosetGnome.toc Localization_zhCN.lua): ClosetGnome: Thanks for localizing, but don't just change things around without asking. And also, if you create a new file, don't copy/paste all the locals from the addon to it... |
| 15:48.22 | Amadeo | Fear Ward being dispellable isn't really a big deal, with as many buffs as there are, you're wasting so much time trying to get to Fear Ward |
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| 15:48.49 | Amadeo | So you overdispel |
| 15:48.51 | Fritti | Mikma: I'm stuck on absolute positioning but I think I've got it |
| 15:48.52 | Amadeo | to make sure |
| 15:49.10 | Kalamadi | Dispels are cheap in comparison to the cost of the buffs. |
| 15:49.30 | Amadeo | Time isn't cheap |
| 15:49.40 | Amadeo | Global cooldown each dispel |
| 15:49.56 | Kalamadi | I mean, you can purge for, what, 100 MP and get rid of Fear Ward and PW:F on a priest? That's essentially 700+ damage for 100 MP. I don't see how that's a waste of time. |
| 15:50.31 | Amadeo | but they have more buffs up than that, and I think Purge is more mana |
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| 15:51.03 | Kalamadi | 10% of base mana |
| 15:51.09 | Amadeo | yeah |
| 15:51.25 | Amadeo | I've seen Shaman with 6000 mana in epics, so base can't be that low |
| 15:51.52 | Amadeo | let's say 3000 mana base |
| 15:51.57 | mjc | anyone? TBC US ? |
| 15:52.05 | Amadeo | mjc: No key |
| 15:52.12 | XLVII | Blood Elfs can be Rogues right? I haven't read much on TBC. |
| 15:52.17 | Amadeo | Waiting since last Friday! |
| 15:52.17 | mjc | XLVII: yes |
| 15:52.23 | Amadeo | Yes, BE Rogue = Most Overpowered |
| 15:52.24 | mjc | Amadeo: I got mine right away |
| 15:52.27 | kebinusan | yeah blood elf rogue with cloak of shadows |
| 15:52.33 | Amadeo | mjc: Blizzard screwed up the first set of keys |
| 15:52.35 | kebinusan | makes me cry |
| 15:52.37 | Amadeo | and hasn't fixed it in a week |
| 15:53.09 | Cheads | uhm anyone know of a tradeskill cooldown alert/timer like keepitcool... but maybe ace2? (keepitcool is the only ace1 module I have left) |
| 15:53.13 | mjc | Amadeo: re-sign up then |
| 15:53.15 | Amadeo | BE Rogue = 60 Energy with full Arcane Torrent |
| 15:53.42 | Amadeo | mjc: Did you just sign up and do it today? |
| 15:54.04 | Xuerian | Do I need to save koKR loc files as utf-8? o.0 |
| 15:54.22 | haste | Xuerian: you should |
| 15:54.30 | mjc | yesterday |
| 15:54.36 | mjc | got my key by noon |
| 15:54.42 | Xuerian | haste: Danke |
| 15:54.51 | Amadeo | the same day? |
| 15:54.58 | haste | Xuerian: Or it will become like this: スーパースター |
| 15:55.07 | Xuerian | Heheh :P |
| 15:55.08 | haste | aaw, my IRC client didn't want me to even send it :( |
| 15:55.18 | axxo | there is some /command, that returns you body to HS place? |
| 15:55.19 | Xuerian | I saw it o.0 |
| 15:55.39 | axxo | where body = corpse |
| 15:55.40 | CIA-17 | 03neriak * r16586 10/branches/gfxToggle2/ (4 files): |
| 15:55.40 | CIA-17 | gfxToggle: |
| 15:55.40 | CIA-17 | - another attempt to fix locale flaws ;) |
| 15:55.41 | CIA-17 | - changed to correct AceLocale version |
| 15:55.46 | XLVII | Does anyone have pictures of all the Blood Elf Male hair styles? |
| 15:55.57 | mjc | males are for homosexuals |
| 15:55.58 | Kalamadi | I think I might just reroll BE pally come expansion. It just feels too damn one-sided now. |
| 15:56.08 | mjc | pallies are hell to ding |
| 15:56.18 | Mi|es | zero dps ftl |
| 15:56.33 | Mi|es | I think mine has 100 dps or something. takes 40 sec per mob :P |
| 15:56.37 | XLVII | Blood Elf males freakin' own.. |
| 15:56.51 | XLVII | They have anime hair styles, and they dance like Napoleon Dynamite |
| 15:56.52 | XLVII | ;D |
| 15:56.55 | haste | Xuerian: just as ???, or as a real mess :D ? |
| 15:56.58 | Kalamadi | Mi|es: From LV20 until around 45, I typically won in 0 to 25 seconds |
| 15:57.07 | Xuerian | a real mess :p |
| 15:57.08 | [Liquidor] | My guild just took down Patchwerk !!! http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/8577/patchwerkbyliqwe9.jpg |
| 15:57.11 | Kalamadi | I would sometimes proc double-crits with SoC and kill the mob instantly. |
| 15:57.25 | haste | Xuerian: oh, well, then you've seen it :D |
| 15:57.29 | Xuerian | Maybe I should let fenlis transfer the localizations and only do french/english >.> |
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| 15:58.35 | Xuerian | That or I perhaps shouldn't be localizing a lib this way... oh well >.> |
| 16:00.40 | krka | [Liquidor]: cool! what's that UI in the pic? i like it! very clean |
| 16:00.58 | [Liquidor] | I've made it myself |
| 16:01.04 | krka | can i have it? |
| 16:01.18 | Fudge | I'm pretty sure that image is photoshopped. |
| 16:01.45 | krka | how can you tell? |
| 16:02.00 | Xuerian | It's hard to tell, it looks pro. |
| 16:02.16 | Amadeo | Look closely at all the players in the raid |
| 16:02.18 | krka | even all the shadows and scales look right |
| 16:02.28 | Amadeo | It's actually Linage 2, that's why they're all clones |
| 16:02.34 | Amadeo | Lineage |
| 16:04.03 | nevcairiel | back |
| 16:04.17 | nevcairiel | (17:03:54) (Mikma) that's what nevcairiel said too <-- whats that? |
| 16:04.52 | Mikma | nevcairiel: that i rock |
| 16:05.00 | nevcairiel | i dont believe you |
| 16:05.33 | Mikma | <1713> <Fritti> Mikma: ok, I'm beginning to understand your frustration now :) |
| 16:05.36 | Amadeo | Hm, this is pretty cool |
| 16:05.38 | Mikma | <1715> <Fritti> but I don't think you can recreate the stance swaps by taking over blizzard buttons |
| 16:05.49 | nevcairiel | heh |
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| 16:05.52 | Amadeo | "I'll give you an example: It's my favorite feature within Windows Vista, it's called ASLR (Address Space [Layout] Randomization). What it does is, each Windows Vista machine is slightly different than every other Windows Vista machine. So even if there is a remote exploit on one machine, and a worm tries to jump from one machine to another, the probability of that actually succeeding is very small. And I wanted to do this in Windows XP |
| 16:06.11 | Fritti | bah |
| 16:06.17 | Fritti | my genius idea fails as well, but I don't know why |
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| 16:06.25 | Fritti | WTB message when an addon fails to show/hide frames in combat |
| 16:06.39 | JoshBorke | the blizzard buttons don't inherit from the SecureButton templates |
| 16:06.40 | Mikma | Fritti: it will fail always |
| 16:06.41 | mjc | anyone around that can reset my SVN pass ? |
| 16:06.44 | Xuerian | Amadeo: Nifty |
| 16:06.54 | Amadeo | Yeah, pretty interesting |
| 16:06.57 | Fritti | Mikma: uh? |
| 16:07.00 | Amadeo | I think Vista is mostly made up of that kinda stuff |
| 16:07.11 | Fritti | I thought you could hide non-protected frames in combat |
| 16:07.12 | Mikma | Fritti: UI is locked down when in combat |
| 16:07.14 | Fritti | if you wanted |
| 16:07.23 | mjc | or soemone to commit a patch to warmup |
| 16:07.28 | mjc | http://325i.org/Warmup.patch |
| 16:07.29 | nevcairiel | you cant hide any frame in combat afaik |
| 16:07.32 | Fritti | right |
| 16:07.33 | CIA-17 | 03neriak * r16587 10FruityLoots/ (7 files in 2 dirs): |
| 16:07.33 | CIA-17 | FruityLoots: |
| 16:07.33 | CIA-17 | - fixed externals |
| 16:07.33 | CIA-17 | - removed some code |
| 16:07.50 | abbat_w | Heh |
| 16:07.53 | JoshBorke | you can hide non-secure frames in combat |
| 16:08.03 | Fritti | that's what I thought too |
| 16:08.15 | abbat_w | Amadeo, but this means what you can't make exploit with fixed offset for fucntion call |
| 16:08.38 | JoshBorke | but because you are trying to use the blizzard buttons, as soon you as you do anything to them you taint them and everything goes to hell |
| 16:08.47 | abbat_w | And this mean what you must search offset on every machine? |
| 16:08.50 | Fritti | JoshBorke: even repositioning? |
| 16:08.58 | JoshBorke | yes |
| 16:09.00 | Fritti | bah |
| 16:09.04 | Fritti | ok then my idea won't ever work |
| 16:09.14 | JoshBorke | 11:06:40 < Mikma:#wowace> Fritti: it will fail always |
| 16:09.26 | Fritti | yeah but that was about showing/hiding frames :) |
| 16:09.47 | Fritti | I was trying to get the BonusActionBarFrame to do all the secure stuff itself |
| 16:10.04 | Fritti | but I need to move it to keep up appearances and if I taint it by doing that of course it won't work |
| 16:10.09 | JoshBorke | can you really fall off the edges? |
| 16:10.13 | JoshBorke | wsg meets ab |
| 16:10.28 | Fritti | right, so on to plan B - create my own StanceHeader for action bar #1 |
| 16:10.30 | JoshBorke | hm, you mean SetPoint outside of combat? |
| 16:10.33 | Fritti | yes |
| 16:10.39 | JoshBorke | hm. it's a possibility |
| 16:10.45 | Fritti | it doesn't work :) |
| 16:10.47 | Fritti | I just tried |
| 16:10.55 | JoshBorke | heh |
| 16:10.59 | Fritti | if you keep off of BonusActionBarFrame it works |
| 16:11.01 | JoshBorke | you have to use your own buttons |
| 16:11.08 | Fritti | unfortunately, yes |
| 16:11.13 | Fritti | at least for the stance swap buttons |
| 16:11.17 | Fritti | the rest works perfectly |
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| 16:11.54 | Fritti | anyway, more coding to be done after dinner |
| 16:12.00 | ne0- | :D hi guys |
| 16:12.29 | nevcairiel | so, i have a border on my buttons, can i actually hide the border in combat? |
| 16:12.39 | nevcairiel | or do i have todo something fancy to it, to be able to? |
| 16:12.56 | CIA-17 | 03neriak * r16588 10Paparazzi/ (Paparazzi.lua Paparazzi.toc libs/): |
| 16:12.56 | CIA-17 | Paparazzi: |
| 16:12.56 | CIA-17 | - fixed libs and externals |
| 16:12.56 | CIA-17 | - minor changes |
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| 16:14.53 | JoshBorke | nevcairiel: hm. good question.i think you're fine |
| 16:15.03 | ne0- | vhaarr! :D bugfix where? :> |
| 16:15.15 | nevcairiel | need to test that once my border actually works |
| 16:15.16 | nevcairiel | :) |
| 16:15.20 | vhaarr | ne0-: Working now? |
| 16:15.22 | JoshBorke | because the borders themselves aren't secure. and as long as they don't have secure frames parented to them they can be changed |
| 16:15.43 | JoshBorke | now, this is all from what i understand the setup to be :-) i could obviously be wrong |
| 16:15.49 | JoshBorke | since i haven't even gotten a beta key :-( |
| 16:16.01 | ne0- | vhaarr no :( |
| 16:16.08 | nevcairiel | didnt you sign up on WoWI ? |
| 16:16.23 | vhaarr | ne0-: With the latest Ace2 libs. |
| 16:16.23 | JoshBorke | yea, i was number 5 |
| 16:16.26 | Amadeo | nevcairiel: most of the people who signed up first didn't get keys |
| 16:16.33 | ne0- | but iam here with new energy to find these nasty buggies! |
| 16:16.42 | vhaarr | ne0-: Update Ace2. |
| 16:16.42 | Amadeo | we've been waiting 7 days, Blizzard screwed up, don't know if we'll ever get them |
| 16:16.43 | nevcairiel | am i glad i got mine |
| 16:16.52 | vhaarr | ne0-: And use WoWAceUpdater. |
| 16:17.15 | vhaarr | ne0-: I'm leaving in 1h, so get to work. |
| 16:17.22 | vhaarr | ^^ |
| 16:17.33 | ne0- | xD iam downloading .net framework |
| 16:17.41 | Amadeo | haha |
| 16:17.59 | ne0- | ;( |
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| 16:18.41 | Amadeo | lots of Vista's on BitTorrent, I bet they're all fake |
| 16:19.30 | vhaarr | Lots of Linux distros on BitTorrent, I bet they all work. |
| 16:19.58 | Amadeo | "work" is subjective :) |
| 16:20.09 | Amadeo | You might have to jump through hoops to get your hardware to run correctly |
| 16:20.25 | Amadeo | All depends on what you have |
| 16:20.30 | Astronot | same with vista |
| 16:20.38 | Astronot | good luck if you have an nforce4 nic |
| 16:20.53 | ne0- | "you should backup your addon directory before proceeding" oh noez! this prog is :O |
| 16:20.55 | Amadeo | Are you speaking of Vista beta or release? |
| 16:21.06 | CIA-17 | 03neriak * r16589 10AH_Wipe/ (Libs/ libs/): AH_Wipe - Libs Renamed remotely |
| 16:21.23 | Astronot | rc2, release will be the same, it's an amplification of a similar issue in xp w/that nic |
| 16:21.38 | Amadeo | Sounds like an Nvidia issue? |
| 16:21.56 | Astronot | could be, no issues in rhel with it |
| 16:22.04 | cryogen | you can bet your ass it'll be fixed for release |
| 16:22.15 | cryogen | hardward companies dont have a terrible amount of motivation to fix things for betas or rcs |
| 16:22.19 | cryogen | but release is a different story |
| 16:22.29 | Astronot | doubtful, as it works, fails in some cases |
| 16:22.34 | Astronot | and the xp driver has never been fixed |
| 16:22.43 | Astronot | take wow for example |
| 16:22.48 | mjc | ~seen ckknight |
| 16:22.54 | purl | ckknight <n=ckknight@rrcs-74-62-251-185.west.biz.rr.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 6h 58m 50s ago, saying: 'Kemayo, oh, wow'. |
| 16:22.55 | ne0- | with externals? |
| 16:22.55 | cryogen | then dont blame vista :) |
| 16:23.22 | ne0- | BigWigs - Updating to rev 16494 Downloading... done.Extracting ZIP file... done.Deleting ZIP file... done. Update complete! |
| 16:23.27 | ne0- | vhaarr kk? |
| 16:23.30 | Astronot | to play wow with an nforce4 nic, you have to disable checksum offload |
| 16:23.34 | vhaarr | ne0-: no |
| 16:23.38 | ne0- | :( |
| 16:23.43 | Astronot | else everything is an unknown unit and you get disconnects |
| 16:23.48 | vhaarr | ne0-: you need to update without externals and download Ace2 independantly |
| 16:24.26 | Astronot | so, if your hw manufacturer hasn't made a decent driver for linux, don't blame linux |
| 16:24.47 | ne0- | why? bigwigs with ace2 in it is so good!? |
| 16:25.08 | Amadeo | Astronot: Most hardware manufacturers have no reason to support Linux |
| 16:25.22 | Amadeo | At least for consumer hardware |
| 16:25.25 | Astronot | still, can't blame linux |
| 16:25.32 | ne0- | without externals :/ => BigWigs - Already at rev 16494 - Skipping |
| 16:25.32 | ne0- | Update complete! |
| 16:25.50 | Astronot | in fact, the linux community supports much of the hardware that manufacturers don'g |
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| 16:26.01 | Astronot | don't* |
| 16:26.05 | Amadeo | Yeah, but that's the problem with Linux |
| 16:26.08 | Amadeo | The community sucks |
| 16:26.15 | ne0- | vhaarr should i delete the libs dir in bigwigs? |
| 16:26.18 | ne0- | or something? |
| 16:26.44 | Astronot | depends which community you refer to, and which distro you use |
| 16:26.44 | Amadeo | So you're right, we can't blame Linux...but we can blame the people who use/help/run/manage/code for Linux :) |
| 16:27.00 | CIA-17 | 03neriak * r16590 10AH_Wipe/ (AH_Wipe.lua AH_Wipe.toc): |
| 16:27.00 | CIA-17 | AH_Wipe: |
| 16:27.00 | CIA-17 | - fixed externals in TOC again |
| 16:27.00 | CIA-17 | - minor changes |
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| 16:27.11 | vhaarr | ne0-: I don't know, read the wowaceupdater page |
| 16:27.17 | ne0- | ok [x] ace => install addon with externals? or without? |
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| 16:27.23 | vhaarr | ace2 |
| 16:27.27 | ne0- | hm :( |
| 16:27.30 | Astronot | so, since nvidia isn't supporting their hw correctly in windows, I blame the people who use/help/run/manage/code for windows |
| 16:27.37 | crystak | Hello |
| 16:27.40 | ne0- | uhm yeah ace2 |
| 16:28.06 | Amadeo | Astronot: For example, vhaarr's response was typical for most Linux users, or as most are now called, "elitists" |
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| 16:28.17 | Astronot | don't get me wrong, I'm typing on vista rc2 atm |
| 16:28.22 | Astronot | and it's sweet |
| 16:28.29 | Astronot | but it's also eating all my ram |
| 16:28.33 | Astronot | chomp chomp |
| 16:28.37 | malreth | elitists! GRRR! I HATE elitists irrationally!!! |
| 16:28.45 | haste | I didn't like Vista :( |
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| 16:28.49 | haste | it ate my computer alive |
| 16:28.52 | crystak | Was wondering whether someone could help me with a problem I've had since I installed Ace2. |
| 16:28.53 | haste | and made it go slow |
| 16:29.05 | malreth | i installed vista on this iMac... runs great |
| 16:29.21 | Amadeo | I don't understand the complaint with RAM use unless it's slowing down your computer or you aren't able to use that RAM for other applications |
| 16:29.33 | Amadeo | People just look at the number and say it's bad |
| 16:29.58 | mjc | Tekkub: ping |
| 16:31.11 | malreth | a good virtual memory system will use ALL available system RAM |
| 16:31.11 | Tekkub | eh? |
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| 16:31.24 | mjc | Tekkub: how'll TBC effect S&D ? |
| 16:31.24 | kergoth | whee |
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| 16:32.58 | Tekkub | it won't as far as I know |
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| 16:36.31 | Astronot | haste: disable the stupid |
| 16:36.31 | Astronot | uac |
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| 16:36.35 | Astronot | if you run vista with uac enable, it will drive you mad |
| 16:36.35 | haste | Astronot: I'm one of those pesky Linux "elistists" |
| 16:36.35 | ne0- | are ace2 addons "with externals" bad? |
| 16:36.35 | malreth | UAC got me really good at clicking "yes" on all those dialogs without thinking or even reading them |
| 16:36.35 | Amadeo | what's UAC? |
| 16:36.36 | kergoth | is there a decent addon like link wrangler floating around, just to let you open more than one itemlink at a time for comparisons? |
| 16:36.36 | malreth | User Account Controls |
| 16:36.36 | malreth | i think... |
| 16:36.36 | malreth | ~UAC |
| 16:36.38 | Astronot | user account control, causes 3 prompts for every thing you'd like to do that affects windows |
| 16:36.39 | Amadeo | Hmm, I wonder what Freenode runs on... ;) |
| 16:36.39 | Astronot | wanna change your screensaver? 3 prompts to get in the panel |
| 16:36.39 | Astronot | malreth: I agree completely, uac will only cause users to click through malware installs :P |
| 16:36.39 | Amadeo | Astronot: So like on OSX? |
| 16:36.39 | malreth | purl, UAC is User Account Control - http://www.microsoft.com/technet/windowsvista/security/uacppr.mspx |
| 16:36.41 | purl | malreth: okay |
| 16:36.41 | malreth | Amadeo: OSX has sane user account privs |
| 16:36.41 | Astronot | microsoft tried to make their own sudo |
| 16:36.41 | Astronot | and failed |
| 16:36.41 | malreth | and doesn't ask you for your password or to verify every single shortcut that you ever delete or drag to the trash |
| 16:36.41 | Amadeo | I just don't understand all the animosity towards MS |
| 16:36.42 | malreth | Amadeo: use Vista for a while... you'll understand |
| 16:36.42 | Amadeo | You know what OS I use? Whatever's best, based on what it can do and what I can use on it |
| 16:36.42 | Amadeo | If Linux could do it all, I'd use Linux |
| 16:36.42 | Amadeo | If OSX could do it all, I'd use OSX |
| 16:36.42 | Amadeo | People use Windows for a reason |
| 16:36.42 | kergoth | the only animosity i have towards MS, personally, is due to their terrible business practices |
| 16:36.42 | malreth | I use three... |
| 16:36.43 | Amadeo | Why use three? |
| 16:36.43 | Amadeo | You can do anything you want in Windows |
| 16:36.43 | malreth | my ubuntu file server at home, OSX on my work laptop, Win on my gaming PC |
| 16:36.43 | ne0- | vhaarr hm i have update my ace2 and delete bigwigs and install it witout externals, now bigwigs are gone from the minimap similar to bugsack and stuff :( but its in the addon list enabled! :( |
| 16:36.43 | Astronot | people use windows because linux doesn't run wow (no wine stories) and macs can't use anything but speex for vent |
| 16:36.43 | Amadeo | Astronot: Wine and Cedega aren't good enough? That's not the case |
| 16:36.43 | Amadeo | WoW wasn't around 5 years ago |
| 16:36.43 | Amadeo | I installed old Linux distros when no hardware worked |
| 16:36.43 | Astronot | sure it was |
| 16:36.43 | Amadeo | When USB had been out a few years and it was still a hassle to get working |
| 16:36.43 | Astronot | I installed new linux distros when no hardware worked |
| 16:36.44 | kergoth | i remember installing xp when the usb support sucked ass too |
| 16:37.56 | malreth | why use three? why not? |
| 16:37.56 | kergoth | did you have a point to make there? |
| 16:37.56 | Amadeo | kergoth: USB didn't work at all? |
| 16:37.56 | crystak | I've installed the OneBag and Detox mod so far and I can't can't change/join new channels on my chat box anymore. Any ideas ? |
| 16:37.56 | malreth | they're just computers... OS's aren't an obsession or a religion |
| 16:37.57 | Amadeo | Right |
| 16:37.57 | Astronot | I like stable linux, rhel/centos, which means hardware support is great - if it's at least 6 months old |
| 16:37.57 | Kalamadi | malreth: Right! They're cults. |
| 16:37.57 | Amadeo | but for many Linux users, it seems to be both |
| 16:37.57 | Amadeo | haha |
| 16:37.57 | malreth | there are os zealots for every platform |
| 16:37.58 | Amadeo | Sure, but moreso for some than others |
| 16:37.58 | malreth | no |
| 16:37.58 | Kalamadi | Most so for linux |
| 16:37.58 | Amadeo | Yes |
| 16:37.58 | kergoth | nothing annoys me more than an evangelist, whether its religion, an editor, or an OS |
| 16:37.58 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:37.58 | Kalamadi | Due to the effort needed to get involved with Linux |
| 16:38.36 | CIA-17 | 03neriak * r16592 10FruityLoots/FruityLoots.lua: |
| 16:38.36 | CIA-17 | FruityLoots: |
| 16:38.36 | CIA-17 | - fixed a type in FruityLoots.lua |
| 16:38.36 | Astronot | how about a programming language? |
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| 16:38.36 | Kalamadi | If you want windows, you buy a windows PC, mac, buy a mac |
| 16:38.36 | Amadeo | I have no problems with Linux in general, but it's the community that's kept it from going anywhere on the desktop |
| 16:38.36 | Kalamadi | Linux? LTFM. |
| 16:38.36 | Kalamadi | Er, RTFM |
| 16:38.37 | Astronot | I buy macs for windows pcs |
| 16:39.14 | Astronot | Amadeo, check out centos, and their community |
| 16:39.14 | mjc | Tekkub: S&D + TBC = funk |
| 16:39.14 | Amadeo | Astronot: That's fine, but I've never even heard of Centos, so why would Bob with three teeth in West Virginia know of it? :) |
| 16:39.14 | Tekkub | explain |
| 16:39.14 | mjc | securehook vs. normal hook ? |
| 16:39.36 | Kalamadi | What does CentOS use as a desktop environment/window manager? |
| 16:39.36 | Tekkub | LoadAddAn is secure now? |
| 16:39.58 | Astronot | Amadeo: centos = binary equivalant of rhel |
| 16:39.58 | CIA-17 | 03neriak * r16593 10/branches/gfxToggle2/ (3 files): |
| 16:39.58 | CIA-17 | gfxToggle2: |
| 16:39.58 | CIA-17 | - fixed some typos in localizations |
| 16:39.58 | mjc | seems it |
| 16:39.58 | Kalamadi | Looks like KDE, nevermind |
| 16:40.37 | Tekkub | hum, okey then |
| 16:40.37 | Tekkub | well I'll be rolling out TBC updates soonish |
| 16:40.38 | Amadeo | Astronot: Also, if I go into a CentOS IRC help channel and ask something like, "I can't get my network to do ___, can anyone help me?" Will they say, "Did you read the man pages?" Or will they help? |
| 16:40.38 | Astronot | Their community is geared more toward |
| 16:41.02 | malreth | crystak: have you disabled all other addons but OneBag and Detox? |
| 16:41.03 | Astronot | ent/profs than fedora kids |
| 16:41.03 | crystak | yes, malreth |
| 16:41.19 | Astronot | Amadeo: why irc? Almost anything you need re: centos is already answered in their forums |
| 16:41.23 | malreth | did you install OneBag and Detox with or without externals? |
| 16:41.40 | Astronot | Additionally, and RHEL community will apply to centos as well |
| 16:41.41 | crystak | What do you mean by externals? |
| 16:41.44 | Amadeo | To be honest, the reason I never made the switch years ago is because nobody cared to actually help you, they just tell you to read what you've already read, and if you can't get it working, too bad...even if it's a Linux problem, because they would deny that it's possible there could be a problem in the OS |
| 16:42.03 | vhaarr | ne0-: You need more than just Ace2. |
| 16:42.05 | malreth | crystak: based on that response, i'm going to assume with. |
| 16:42.10 | vhaarr | ne0-: You need all the deps. |
| 16:42.11 | Astronot | I agree, I've visited linux many times over the years, and abandoned it for the same reason |
| 16:42.12 | malreth | crystak: how and where did you install them |
| 16:42.33 | Kalamadi | I'd like to consider that we're on the brink of a large movement to make Linux available to entry-level users |
| 16:42.33 | Astronot | But now I use it for services I'd rather not have on windows |
| 16:42.39 | crystak | I downloaded them from http://www.wowace.com extracted them into my interface > addon folder |
| 16:42.48 | mjc | pastamancer: about? |
| 16:42.52 | Amadeo | Astronot: As far as Linux goes, I like it, I think it's great for a free operating system...I just don't like most of the community, and the same people who think they're the driving force behind it are actually hindering it |
| 16:42.56 | malreth | the latest versions of both? |
| 16:42.57 | Astronot | Kalamadi: I'd like that too, then I try to install a flash pluging for firefox/linux |
| 16:43.03 | Astronot | plugin* |
| 16:43.21 | Kalamadi | Strange...I've had that working for a while now D: |
| 16:43.30 | mjc | Astronot: works for me |
| 16:43.42 | Amadeo | And believe me, I'm not some Windows lover, I hate this operating system as much as anyone else who does |
| 16:43.45 | Astronot | It can be done, of course, but it can't be done without documentation |
| 16:43.50 | Astronot | for new users |
| 16:43.54 | Amadeo | I just can't find an alternative for me, since I'll always be a gamer |
| 16:44.01 | Kalamadi | Hit a flash site, autofetched the plugin, bam! Worked. |
| 16:44.10 | Astronot | distro? |
| 16:44.12 | weab | Amadeo: intel mac! |
| 16:44.17 | Kalamadi | Linux gaming's progressing steadily |
| 16:44.18 | mjc | Astronot: for ubuntu: include multiverse, update, install flash |
| 16:44.25 | Amadeo | weab: I don't want to dual boot :( |
| 16:44.36 | Kalamadi | ... |
| 16:44.37 | mjc | Astronot: docs are on ubuntu's site too :) |
| 16:44.37 | Amadeo | That defeats the purpose for me |
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| 16:44.44 | Amadeo | I'll use two browsers, but two operating systems is too much |
| 16:44.52 | Astronot | Good to see then, I haven't used ubuntu/suse in a while, and I hear they're both making strides |
| 16:44.56 | Kalamadi | Amadeo: Intel = processor. Mac = OS. That's not two OSes. |
| 16:45.01 | Amadeo | I know |
| 16:45.06 | Amadeo | But OSX won't run all games |
| 16:45.10 | Amadeo | So you'd have to dual boot |
| 16:45.13 | mjc | Astronot: been that way since breezy, iirc |
| 16:45.17 | Kalamadi | Oh. |
| 16:45.31 | mjc | Amadeo: I do fine with most games I actaully caer about on OSX |
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| 16:45.44 | mjc | Amadeo: and tbh the ones I wanted to play on windows turned out to suck ass anyways. |
| 16:45.49 | crystak | melroth: I've installed them a while ago with the FUBar plugin and bartender as well. The chat window worked then, until I deleted FUBar and Bartender |
| 16:45.53 | mjc | NFS Carbon and NWN2 |
| 16:45.55 | Amadeo | mjc: I agree, there are many that probably work great, but I'm worried about some in the future...especially with DX10 here |
| 16:45.56 | cncfanatics | yo all |
| 16:45.56 | Astronot | One big change in linux that kept me going this time was a decent package manager like yum |
| 16:46.04 | Fudge | mjc, NWN2 was so disappointing. :( |
| 16:46.05 | Amadeo | Developers are going to flock to DX10 in the coming months |
| 16:46.14 | mjc | Amadeo: or f lcok away from it |
| 16:46.16 | Amadeo | Remember that DX9 was around for like 4 years |
| 16:46.20 | Amadeo | No, they won't |
| 16:46.21 | Amadeo | They already love it |
| 16:46.22 | Amadeo | haha |
| 16:46.30 | Astronot | They can't flock to dx10, because dx10 will be vista-only |
| 16:46.33 | Amadeo | Yeah |
| 16:46.34 | malreth | crystak: update them to the latest versions. do you have the Ace2 addon installed? |
| 16:46.41 | Amadeo | but Vista will be on the majority of the computers in the world, so they still can |
| 16:46.44 | mjc | Amadeo: driver restrictions will make DXN suck ass |
| 16:46.45 | Kalamadi | If HL2, WoW, and RoL work perfectly under cedega, I might dual boot this system and get NTFS up :O |
| 16:46.52 | mjc | fuck ever getting a bug fixed by nvidia or ati |
| 16:46.59 | crystak | yes, I have the Ace2 |
| 16:47.01 | mjc | Kalamadi: RoL ? |
| 16:47.04 | Amadeo | mjc: Those driver restrictions are there for a reason, they are to make it easier for developers |
| 16:47.06 | Kalamadi | Rise of Legends |
| 16:47.10 | mjc | Amadeo: they make it harder. |
| 16:47.22 | mjc | Amadeo: nvidia & amd(ati) have complained about it loudly already |
| 16:47.35 | Amadeo | Maybe we're talking about two different things, what's the restriction? |
| 16:47.41 | mjc | Amadeo: every time you release a driver update you must recertify = weeks of testing |
| 16:47.45 | Kalamadi | Vista and DX10 just seem like they're ploys to help Microsoft earn more money |
| 16:47.51 | malreth | crystak: there was an old version of Ace2 that had a bug in the AceComm lib. I'd recommend deleting the Ace2 addon since the addons you have will use their embedded libs instead |
| 16:47.55 | mjc | Amadeo: and $$ |
| 16:47.55 | crystak | malreth: However, the number 2 is colored in red. Don't know if it's meant to be like that or it means something else |
| 16:48.00 | Amadeo | mjc: Oh, big deal, I think that's good |
| 16:48.04 | malreth | the red 2 means nothing |
| 16:48.06 | mjc | Amadeo: you're an idiot |
| 16:48.07 | crystak | k |
| 16:48.13 | mjc | Amadeo: say nvidia has a bug in their driver |
| 16:48.16 | Astronot | Anyone heard from AndreasG or Miles re: AG_UF in the new beta patch? |
| 16:48.17 | malreth | delete or disable Ace2... you don't need it |
| 16:48.23 | crystak | malreth: Ok, I'll try that |
| 16:48.24 | Kalamadi | I mean, like. Ludicrous amounts of money. "Either update to our latest OS or you can stop playing new games, kk?" |
| 16:48.29 | mjc | Amadeo: nvidia chooses not to fix that bug until next major diriver release becasue it costs XYZ amount to fix |
| 16:48.40 | malreth | unless you specifically downloaded addons without their externals. |
| 16:48.42 | mjc | Amadeo: game developer = fuct |
| 16:49.12 | Amadeo | mjc: Nvidia is a multimillion dollar company, they can just spend more time on their drivers. Microsoft won't certify drivers with major bugs |
| 16:49.20 | mjc | Amadeo: wrong |
| 16:49.41 | mjc | Amadeo: microsoft's WHQL and vista certifications do not verify anything other than that various sysems will *boot* with the driver loaded |
| 16:49.50 | Amadeo | Certification will mean drivers with less bugs, because Nvidia won't just throw something out the door like they do now |
| 16:49.56 | mjc | the DX10 cert stuff is very basic |
| 16:50.02 | Mikma | tick |
| 16:50.03 | Amadeo | But they have to pay for it |
| 16:50.15 | Amadeo | So even if MS did nothing, they're not going to put out a trashed driver |
| 16:50.28 | mjc | Amadeo: so in actuality it is just a method of slowing people down by making them shell out cash |
| 16:50.35 | mjc | Amadeo: thats not certification, it's extortion |
| 16:50.45 | Amadeo | I'm sure there's more to it than what you say |
| 16:50.48 | mjc | "give me $X or your shit won't work" |
| 16:50.51 | Amadeo | Show me the details of the certification process |
| 16:50.57 | mjc | Amadeo: MSDN |
| 16:51.26 | mjc | Amadeo: I am a MSDE and I write a driver for a PCI-Express IO module |
| 16:52.17 | snurre | I am a toaster. |
| 16:52.36 | JoshBorke | oink |
| 16:52.36 | Amadeo | "Today NVIDIA takes one step closer to bringing SLI to reality with the announcement of their SLI certification program." |
| 16:52.36 | JoshBorke | i'm a pig |
| 16:52.36 | Amadeo | Looks like everyone does it, to me |
| 16:52.42 | cncfanatics | has anyone seen sheriddan around lately (aka daggar) ? |
| 16:52.46 | mjc | Amadeo: yep, it's extortion |
| 16:52.50 | mjc | Amadeo: apple doesn't do it |
| 16:53.22 | haste | cncfanatics: is he the other flexbar guy? |
| 16:53.24 | mjc | and apple is known for the highest quality of their APIs/driver kits/docs out of any platform vendor |
| 16:53.26 | Amadeo | You act like Apple is all holy or something, lol |
| 16:53.33 | malreth | mjc: apple writes their own drivers |
| 16:53.44 | malreth | Amadeo: he said nothing about them being holy |
| 16:53.50 | mjc | malreth: they don't write a driver for my card. I do |
| 16:53.54 | Amadeo | malreth: Have you been following his comments for the past few days? |
| 16:54.01 | mjc | Amadeo: compared to dealing with MS, it is heaven |
| 16:54.26 | malreth | has he said something untrue? |
| 16:54.43 | haste | cncfanatics: nevermind, I was thinking of dagar :D |
| 16:54.56 | Amadeo | Well, I can think of plenty of things that Apple has gotten by with over the years |
| 16:55.00 | Amadeo | One being severely overpriced hardware |
| 16:55.21 | malreth | ok |
| 16:55.29 | mjc | Amadeo: how's that have anything to do with drivers ? |
| 16:55.29 | Amadeo | They've only recently started to drop their prices |
| 16:55.37 | malreth | what's that got to do with anything? |
| 16:55.52 | Amadeo | Well, you guys are talking about how people have to spend money |
| 16:56.00 | snurre | *burp* I wonder if eating a big box of haagen-dazs caramel ice cream could be considered healthy |
| 16:56.03 | Amadeo | I think Apple's already gotten enough to make up for whatever MS or someone else will make with certs |
| 16:56.10 | malreth | that's a bit of a non-sequitur argument |
| 16:56.17 | Amadeo | Not to mention |
| 16:56.26 | Amadeo | Apple releases fixes to their OS, which costs money |
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| 16:57.05 | malreth | sure... |
| 16:57.14 | Amadeo | There've been 6 versions of the same OS now? |
| 16:57.20 | Amadeo | Each with a price? |
| 16:57.30 | mjc | Amadeo: there's been 6 versions of NT now, with the same price |
| 16:58.06 | Fudge | One could argue that using Windows itself is 'paying a price'. ;P |
| 16:58.09 | Amadeo | mjc: That's a server OS, and which versions do you mean? |
| 16:58.18 | mjc | Amadeo: XP + Vista = NT |
| 16:58.23 | Amadeo | bah |
| 16:58.23 | Amadeo | no |
| 16:58.24 | malreth | oh, i can dish out the flames if I wanted... :) |
| 16:58.26 | mjc | + 2000 as well |
| 16:58.29 | Amadeo | that's ridiculous of you to say that |
| 16:58.29 | mjc | Amadeo: yes |
| 16:58.31 | Amadeo | No |
| 16:58.34 | Amadeo | it's based on NT, it's not NT |
| 16:58.36 | mjc | Amadeo: they are all NT kernels |
| 16:58.37 | Amadeo | that's like saying OSX is just UNIX |
| 16:58.41 | mjc | Amadeo: with updates |
| 16:58.43 | Amadeo | so why pay for OSX? |
| 16:58.45 | Amadeo | If it's UNIX |
| 16:58.54 | Amadeo | You lost credibility now |
| 16:58.54 | mjc | Amadeo: win32 api hasn't changed much since NT4 |
| 16:59.04 | Kalamadi | Fudge: I'm scared. Hold me. |
| 16:59.04 | Mikma | Amadeo: because it's charged in the price of comp :P |
| 16:59.25 | Mikma | Amadeo: and UNIX ain't free either |
| 16:59.26 | Amadeo | there have been HUGE changes from NT to XP and to Vista, regardless of what the end user sees, and you know it |
| 16:59.34 | mjc | Amadeo: NT -> vista ahs changed less than OSX.0 -> OSX.5 |
| 16:59.42 | Amadeo | That's ridiculous, mjc |
| 16:59.42 | mjc | Amadeo: so you expect a graphical refresh every point release ? |
| 16:59.55 | mjc | Amadeo: graphics don't mean fuck all |
| 16:59.56 | Amadeo | There's no reason to continue this if you honestly believe that |
| 16:59.57 | malreth | do you two even remember what you're arguing about? |
| 17:00.03 | mjc | Amadeo: the API is basically the same |
| 17:00.16 | malreth | mjc? |
| 17:00.22 | Kalamadi | malreth: I don't know, personally, but the divorce settlement's going to be awesome |
| 17:00.23 | Srosh | not that discussion again... |
| 17:00.42 | Amadeo | mjc: Honestly, I think you're too stuck on praising Apple to know what's really going on with MS |
| 17:00.54 | mjc | Amadeo: I've only used apple for about a year |
| 17:01.18 | Amadeo | NT came out in 1993, and you're saying it's changed less from NT to XP than OSX 10.0 to 10.5 |
| 17:01.20 | mjc | Amadeo: they added some crappy 3D stuff and pnp, between NT4 and 2000. between 2000 and XP they shaved boot times and modified the TCP stack slightly. between 2000 and Vista, they updated the gui and made their unprivileged user shite work |
| 17:01.32 | Amadeo | That's just silly |
| 17:01.36 | mjc | Amadeo: it's true. |
| 17:01.38 | Amadeo | no, it's not |
| 17:01.43 | mjc | Amadeo: what else is in there ? |
| 17:01.44 | malreth | Amadeo: you should let him praise. mjc: quit bashing... it's unbecoming. |
| 17:01.54 | Amadeo | Nothing even worked in NT back then |
| 17:02.03 | mjc | Amadeo: NT worked fine for those that used it |
| 17:02.10 | mjc | I used NT for a few years... 1997 -> 1999 |
| 17:02.10 | malreth | ~mjc |
| 17:02.15 | purl | mjc owes malreth 50s. |
| 17:02.15 | Kalamadi | ... "Use Vista, our stuff works now!" |
| 17:02.25 | Amadeo | I'm sorry that I don't have a list of changes from 1993's NT to XP, but what you're saying is just wrong |
| 17:02.30 | malreth | where's my money, bitch? |
| 17:02.34 | Amadeo | I will agree that 2000 to XP was very little as far as changes go |
| 17:02.41 | Amadeo | but the rest is silly |
| 17:02.44 | mjc | Amadeo: prove it, go read the API docs |
| 17:02.49 | Mikma | http://wow.reaktio.net/TBC/TBC1.jpg |
| 17:03.08 | Fudge | Mikma, that's such an unflattering picture of me.. |
| 17:03.12 | Kalamadi | <3 Mikma, you make my life less droll |
| 17:03.16 | Fudge | Not even from my best side. |
| 17:03.22 | Fudge | (back) |
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| 17:03.46 | malreth | that orc spent too much time in the sun |
| 17:03.58 | Kalamadi | Yeah, he's burnt |
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| 17:04.10 | Kalamadi | You beat the final boss by finding a bottle of aloe and tossing it on him. |
| 17:04.18 | Fudge | He also needs to go see a dentist about those extra teeth. |
| 17:05.12 | mjc | Amadeo: I have used windows NT4, 95, 98, 2000, XP, linux, OS7,8,9, and OSX and written drivers for all. I currently maintain drivers for NT4, 2000, XP, LInux, OS9, and OSX[.0-.4]... I speak of all of this from having to deal with kludgy APIs of all kidns |
| 17:05.21 | nevcairiel | Mikma: did you see my commit earlier? |
| 17:05.24 | mjc | Amadeo: the best thing NT got in any of its revisions was PnP |
| 17:05.42 | Mikma | nevcairiel: hmm nopw |
| 17:05.55 | Amadeo | mjc: If you're saying that the OS hasn't had major changes because you can code for it the same way, that holds no water |
| 17:06.21 | Amadeo | It was made like that for a reason |
| 17:06.25 | mjc | I am saying they added practically nothing that anyone can take advantage of as far as programming is concerned |
| 17:06.36 | Amadeo | It's the same reason Vista has the same base, because they want people to be able to use it |
| 17:06.38 | mjc | OSX has had substantially better API & subsystem improvements each update, everything from advanced image processing libraries, automation tools, compiler improvements, etc. |
| 17:06.54 | mjc | things that windows still doesn't even touch |
| 17:07.13 | Mikma | nevcairiel: no commits on my log from you either |
| 17:07.15 | Amadeo | That's fine and all, but then why are Windows apps so good? |
| 17:07.26 | nevcairiel | Mikma: was during the rehubbing of the web |
| 17:07.30 | Kalamadi | Because ~90% of all PCs run Windows? Just a guess. |
| 17:07.37 | mjc | Amadeo: compared to what ? according to whom ? |
| 17:07.38 | nevcairiel | Mikma: checkout bt3 |
| 17:07.39 | Mikma | nevcairiel: oh right. |
| 17:08.06 | Amadeo | mjc: Anything you can find on a Mac, you can find a better version for Windows, or at least something that does the same stuff...perhaps not always in ease of use, but in functionality and quality |
| 17:08.11 | mjc | Amadeo: MS can't even get their UI to be consistent, what else do you want ? |
| 17:08.30 | Amadeo | There had to be major changes for Apple, because they went to Intel hardware |
| 17:08.36 | Amadeo | Microsoft is backwards compatible |
| 17:08.39 | Amadeo | Apple isn't |
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| 17:09.02 | mjc | Amadeo: so you're saying that the OS and the tools it provides are judged by the quality of 3rd party software ? |
| 17:09.07 | Kalamadi | It's like a free software superstore :D |
| 17:09.22 | Amadeo | mjc: I'm saying that it's silly to say an OS hasn't changed because you like what you can do in another more |
| 17:09.35 | Amadeo | as far as coding goes, which how many people actually do? |
| 17:09.45 | mjc | Amadeo: I'm saying it hasn't changed at the API level besides a few minor things |
| 17:09.51 | mjc | and APIs are what operating systems are all about |
| 17:10.02 | mjc | providing better ways to abstract common functions |
| 17:10.05 | Tekkub | I win at Wiki! |
| 17:10.05 | Amadeo | There's more to an OS than the API |
| 17:10.06 | Tekkub | http://www.wowwiki.com/Nexus-Prince_Shaffar |
| 17:10.21 | Tekkub | and, on a side note.. my last name is Shafer o.O |
| 17:10.45 | mjc | Amadeo: the idea is that the OS does XYZ for you, anything from hardware initialization and management, etc, and exports an API you can use to do your things |
| 17:11.00 | mjc | Amadeo: look up the definition for operating system |
| 17:11.16 | Kalamadi | mjc: I like to program in assembler, OSes suck! |
| 17:11.19 | Mikma | Tekkub: prince albert in mini Shafer? |
| 17:11.28 | Tekkub | no, no PA, never will |
| 17:11.29 | Amadeo | mjc: Tell me what your parents think about APIs, or your grandmother |
| 17:11.41 | Amadeo | Now install 1993's NT on their computer |
| 17:11.44 | Amadeo | tell them nothing has changed |
| 17:11.45 | Mikma | PA would propably be fun |
| 17:12.23 | Amadeo | Consumers don't care about the API |
| 17:12.36 | Mikma | Amadeo: what about PA? |
| 17:12.36 | mjc | Amadeo: so you'd trust a grandmother to tell you how awesome your OS is ? |
| 17:12.50 | Amadeo | I don't trust a coder to tell me my OS is awesome either |
| 17:13.10 | Amadeo | There's much more to an OS than the API, because consumers don't have anything to do with it |
| 17:13.14 | Kalamadi | Developers care about the API, and Consumers use the applications Developers create. Your argument's flawed. |
| 17:13.22 | Mikma | nevcairiel: i see buttons without textures |
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| 17:13.49 | nevcairiel | yeah |
| 17:13.53 | nevcairiel | thats what it does |
| 17:13.54 | nevcairiel | :) |
| 17:14.01 | Amadeo | I could care less if my OS was the hardest in the world to program for if developers kept on supporting it |
| 17:14.09 | Mikma | nevcairiel: bug or a feature? :D |
| 17:14.22 | nevcairiel | not a bug, a not yet ready feature :p |
| 17:14.38 | mjc | Amadeo: the harder it is to write programs for, the harder it will be to get good or innovative software |
| 17:14.40 | Mikma | nevcairiel: have you tried the SetID() on the buttons? |
| 17:14.54 | Amadeo | mjc: I agree, but it can't be that hard because there are great programs for Windows |
| 17:14.54 | Elkano | when did filefront start to crawl the svn? http://browse.files.filefront.com/Modifications/;1323974;/browsefiles.html |
| 17:15.02 | mjc | Amadeo: like what |
| 17:15.06 | nevcairiel | the buttons have a action, its the actions 1-12 |
| 17:15.12 | nevcairiel | only not showing the texture |
| 17:15.14 | Amadeo | I don't know, name something in OSX and I'll name the equivalent in Windows |
| 17:15.19 | Kalamadi | Amadeo: I can sit here and browse through maybe 5,000 freeware apps on Linux that have great functionality. Do you get that for free on Windows? No. |
| 17:15.31 | Mikma | nevcairiel: and the pushed-texture is staying ;) but i'm sure you will fix it |
| 17:15.33 | mjc | quicksilver |
| 17:15.38 | Amadeo | Kalamadi: There is lots of freeware for Windows, most of those Linux apps are ported :) |
| 17:15.44 | Kalamadi | ... |
| 17:15.54 | Amadeo | mjc: What's that do? |
| 17:16.02 | nevcairiel | Mikma: i know, i didnt inherit all the code, only the layout and the securebutton code, not the frame handling stuff |
| 17:16.36 | Kalamadi | Celestia: Windows, OSX, Linux. It's open-source, and not a port. Oops! |
| 17:16.36 | Mikma | nevcairiel: i'm still happy that you managed to even make the buttons |
| 17:17.26 | Mikma | nevcairiel: heh the pushed texture goes away when i click it again :D |
| 17:17.31 | Kalamadi | Gnome, KDE? Can't be ported to Windows |
| 17:17.39 | mjc | Amadeo: trigger-based, scriptable command launcher. eg I hit ctrl-alt-Q and it updates all my mods, restarts wow ,and shoots me an email |
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| 17:18.37 | malreth | mjc... actually, there's an equivalent to quicksilver for Windows... autohotkey, i believe |
| 17:18.44 | Kalamadi | mjc: Do you know if there's a GUI for functions like that under Linux? bbkeys doesn't feel powerful enough |
| 17:18.48 | Amadeo | can't you also do that in a batch file? |
| 17:18.53 | mjc | Kalamadi: there isn't |
| 17:19.03 | eternally777 | Is there a way to tell which mouse button the player used on a Dewdrop menu item? |
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| 17:19.15 | Kalamadi | mjc: Much sadness abounds. |
| 17:19.19 | mjc | Amadeo: not without third party apps |
| 17:19.24 | mjc | Amadeo: lots of them |
| 17:19.34 | mjc | Amadeo: one for email, one for svn update, one for process control |
| 17:19.36 | Amadeo | malreth: This? http://www.autohotkey.com/ |
| 17:20.03 | Amadeo | mjc: There's one I guess, I don't know about this stuff because I don't need them |
| 17:20.07 | Kalamadi | mjc: Oh! Katapult. |
| 17:20.12 | malreth | yeah, that's it |
| 17:20.24 | malreth | i read about it all the time on Lifehacker |
| 17:20.25 | eternally777 | Will Dewdrop pass that information to my function in an arguement? |
| 17:20.52 | Amadeo | mjc: I have a question for you...if Windows is such a mess to develop for, and so much more difficult than OSX, why do more developers support Windows? Why do more games support Windows than OSX? |
| 17:21.00 | Amadeo | Shouldn't it be the other way around? |
| 17:21.10 | malreth | anyways... this argument is useless... anything that exists on one platform can exist for the other. it's fruitless |
| 17:21.12 | mjc | Amadeo: same reason people spam |
| 17:21.27 | Tekkub | why do people drive SUVs if cars are more gas efficient? |
| 17:21.30 | mjc | Amadeo: managers and marketing believe that largest installed user base = profit |
| 17:21.34 | Tekkub | because it's the "norm" |
| 17:21.48 | Amadeo | mjc: Windows became the largest installed user base for a reason though, it wasn't that way to begin with |
| 17:22.05 | mjc | Amadeo: it became largest installed user base because M$ struck deals with OEMs to bundle it |
| 17:22.43 | Tekkub | it's got the base because it was the OS that worked with the most hardware |
| 17:22.43 | malreth | but none of that addresses the point about the API |
| 17:22.54 | mjc | malreth: correct. |
| 17:22.54 | Amadeo | Tekkub: Right |
| 17:23.06 | mjc | Tekkub: not really |
| 17:23.08 | malreth | similarly, it shows that the API for an OS means nothing |
| 17:23.08 | Tekkub | apple fucked themselves for a long time with the "special" hardware that wasn't really, hrm... unique? |
| 17:23.13 | mjc | Tekkub: most marketing to OEMs |
| 17:23.25 | Tekkub | now it's the reverse, people like apple cause their hardware is purdy |
| 17:23.30 | Amadeo | Every kid my age grew up with Apple in school, and we still have PCs now :) |
| 17:23.48 | mjc | OEMs invest more money into windows than consumers do |
| 17:23.56 | mjc | always has been that way, always will be |
| 17:23.57 | Tekkub | I grew up with apples in school |
| 17:24.08 | mjc | OEMs are what makes windows as popular as iti s |
| 17:24.23 | Amadeo | The API thing was already answered, consumers don't care about the API, they care about programs for their system. Windows has them, regardless of being easier or harder to code for |
| 17:24.58 | Tekkub | on the consumer side, very true... most buyers nowadays are just compuer-stupid and use whatever they get sold :P |
| 17:24.59 | mjc | Amadeo: so you're saying if you change the default theme every few years adn add some drivers you have a new version of an OS worth paying for then |
| 17:25.22 | Amadeo | No, and if you say that you're just being an Apple zealot |
| 17:25.23 | Tekkub | if Best Buy and Circuit City started selling only Macs a lot more people would be using them at home |
| 17:25.31 | mjc | Amadeo: you said the API doesn't mean anything |
| 17:25.43 | mjc | Tekkub: they have made deals w/ dell etc |
| 17:25.46 | mjc | er gateway |
| 17:25.56 | Tekkub | fucking hippies |
| 17:25.59 | Tekkub | anyway |
| 17:26.02 | Tekkub | back to wiki |
| 17:26.18 | Amadeo | mjc: So the *ONLY* thing that's ever changed since 1993, or even 1988 when NT development started, until current XP Professional is the Theme and Drivers? |
| 17:26.38 | Amadeo | That's what you've been saying |
| 17:26.53 | mjc | Amadeo: if you ignore the PnP update from NT -> 2000, yes. |
| 17:26.53 | Tekkub | XP is just 2k with an ugly skin |
| 17:27.04 | Tekkub | Vista is just XP with an ugly skin |
| 17:27.05 | Amadeo | lol |
| 17:27.12 | Amadeo | that's the most hilarious thing I've ever heard |
| 17:27.12 | Tekkub | that took 5 years to develop |
| 17:27.16 | Tekkub | seeing a pattern? |
| 17:27.22 | haste | Tekkub: I love your logic :D |
| 17:27.25 | mjc | Amadeo: you said the API doens't mean anything |
| 17:27.26 | Amadeo | Tekkub: Yeah, 2K to XP is minor |
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| 17:27.37 | mjc | Amadeo: the core win32 API hasn't changed since NT4 |
| 17:27.47 | malreth | you forgot product activation, Tek |
| 17:27.50 | malreth | gotta love that |
| 17:28.07 | mjc | Amadeo: but again, you said the API doens't matter |
| 17:28.11 | Tekkub | no I didn't, I've never touched it |
| 17:28.22 | malreth | well, for most normal users |
| 17:28.33 | mjc | Amadeo: so in your opinion a visual refresh and more drivers makes for an OS update worth paying for, since the API doesn't matter |
| 17:28.36 | Tekkub | since when do I care about "normal" users? |
| 17:28.37 | malreth | the non vol-license users |
| 17:28.45 | Tekkub | fuck them, they always want me to fix shit |
| 17:28.53 | malreth | yeah... fuck them in the ear! |
| 17:29.04 | Amadeo | mjc: I'm sorry, but you're too far gone at this point if you think the only changes from 1993 to current is drivers and themes |
| 17:29.19 | mjc | Amadeo: I am saying that you said that the API doesn't mean anything |
| 17:29.26 | mjc | Amadeo: is that not what you said ? |
| 17:29.29 | Amadeo | ok, add API in there too |
| 17:29.32 | Amadeo | still the same statement |
| 17:29.46 | mjc | Amadeo: so tell me what else changed |
| 17:30.03 | Amadeo | I don't have a list in front of me from 1993's NT to XP Professional, unfortunately |
| 17:30.09 | Neronix | http://www.weebls-stuff.com/wab/pastry/ |
| 17:30.54 | mjc | Amadeo: FAT32, PnP, directx comes on the disk, IE comes on the disk, theme, and a few minor API changes. |
| 17:31.07 | Amadeo | mjc: Can you tell me all the changes from Classic MacOS to OSX? |
| 17:31.11 | mjc | for a $200 upgrade |
| 17:31.14 | mjc | Amadeo: rewrite |
| 17:31.42 | Amadeo | So, no? |
| 17:31.47 | mjc | Amadeo: everything changed. |
| 17:31.51 | Amadeo | Yeah |
| 17:31.55 | Amadeo | Same goes for NT to XP Pro :) |
| 17:31.58 | mjc | wrong. |
| 17:32.17 | Fritti | so... if you get an 'Addon has been blocked due to restricted function' message, is there any way to know *what* has transpireD? |
| 17:32.32 | haste | Neronix: did you ever find that error in the smoothbarmovement? |
| 17:32.34 | Amadeo | mjc: You're asking unanswerable questions that you can't answer either |
| 17:32.51 | mjc | Amadeo: I just gave you the changelist from NT->XP |
| 17:32.55 | haste | Neronix: the.. bars get some infinite lenght :D |
| 17:33.13 | mjc | Amadeo: Classic -> OSX is like 98 -> XP |
| 17:33.24 | mjc | they scrapped it all and did something else |
| 17:33.43 | Amadeo | NT came before 98 |
| 17:33.57 | mjc | I'm aware |
| 17:34.06 | Mikma | win95 -> xp |
| 17:34.12 | mjc | Amadeo: my point was they are two different codebases |
| 17:34.18 | Amadeo | You keep talking about NT4 which was in 1996 |
| 17:34.22 | Amadeo | When NT was started in 1988 |
| 17:34.27 | Amadeo | Yet you said NT to begin with |
| 17:34.35 | mjc | Amadeo: what does the date have anything to do with it |
| 17:34.43 | kebinusan | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2692364979726516521 Mage melee crits for 1400 |
| 17:35.05 | mjc | Amadeo: I love how you keep changing subjects the moment you can't answer me |
| 17:35.21 | JoshBorke | o.O |
| 17:35.23 | Amadeo | mjc: I love how you honestly believe nothing has changed in Windows |
| 17:35.36 | haste | kebinusan: they'll probably fix that dagger soon :p |
| 17:35.40 | Mikma | wtf imba |
| 17:35.42 | kergoth | i love how amadeo has no valid arguments against mjc's belief |
| 17:35.45 | kergoth | thats whats really amusing |
| 17:35.52 | mjc | kergoth: :) |
| 17:35.55 | kebinusan | yeah Im still trying to load the SS of the dagger |
| 17:36.08 | Amadeo | kergoth: Can you tell me the changes between Linux 10 years ago and Linux now? |
| 17:36.13 | Amadeo | list them |
| 17:36.16 | mjc | Amadeo: I can |
| 17:36.19 | Amadeo | mjc: Go |
| 17:36.49 | kergoth | and once again amadeo turns it around instead of admitting his ignorance |
| 17:36.51 | kergoth | pretty funny |
| 17:36.53 | Amadeo | yeah |
| 17:36.55 | mjc | Amadeo: huge API rewrite, VM improvements across the board, networking stack refinements, plug and play, threading support, drivers |
| 17:36.56 | Amadeo | you can't answer it either |
| 17:37.03 | kergoth | i'm not in the argumetn jackass |
| 17:37.07 | Amadeo | kergoth: Then stay out of it |
| 17:37.08 | kergoth | i dont give a flying fuck about the linux changes |
| 17:37.24 | kergoth | go fuck yourself\ |
| 17:37.24 | kergoth | i'll say what i want to |
| 17:37.33 | mjc | Amadeo: but linux is just a kernel, nothing more, so that totally ignores anything below the kernel level |
| 17:37.37 | Amadeo | Don't jump into an argument if you don't actually want to be a part of it |
| 17:37.53 | Fritti | *grin* |
| 17:38.17 | Amadeo | mjc: That seems like a short list, as short as the one you made for NT to XP |
| 17:38.23 | JoshBorke | Xuerian: pass some over here |
| 17:38.50 | kergoth | Amadeo: you mean, as short as the nonexistant list you have? |
| 17:38.55 | kergoth | certainly not that short |
| 17:38.57 | Amadeo | mjc: I remember network stack refinements in Windows versions too, why did you leave that out for Windows? |
| 17:39.05 | mjc | Amadeo: the VM was rewritten six times, the API redesigned twice and sequential rewrites four times, networking stack went through fourteen substantial across-the-board changes |
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| 17:39.14 | Amadeo | kergoth: Are you in this argument or not? |
| 17:39.17 | kebinusan | Amadeo, UAFSE (Use a fucking search engine) if you want a changelog |
| 17:39.20 | mjc | Amadeo: windows' used BSD's networking stack since NT4 |
| 17:39.36 | thalie | argument? cool, i came at the right time |
| 17:39.43 | Amadeo | mjc: I remember refinements for Windows 2000 |
| 17:39.43 | mjc | all they did for 2000 was update to NT4SP6a's stack |
| 17:39.55 | kergoth | when i see idiots failing to use logic or any valid points whatsoever, i'm going to point it out, whether they like it or not |
| 17:39.57 | kergoth | deal with it |
| 17:40.11 | Amadeo | kergoth: Then don't cry if you can't answer a question in an argument you jumped into, simple as that |
| 17:40.20 | kergoth | i'm not arguing in favor of linux |
| 17:40.29 | Amadeo | No, you're bashing me for what reason? |
| 17:40.29 | kergoth | i'm arguing against your points |
| 17:40.33 | kebinusan | Fundimentals havent changed since DesqviewX and OS/2, but alot of little enhancements in interface design, kernel behavior, etc |
| 17:40.35 | Amadeo | What are you even arguing? |
| 17:40.38 | Amadeo | You're just bashing |
| 17:40.45 | kergoth | i'm arguing that you cant argue worth a shit |
| 17:40.50 | Amadeo | You're being a Linux elitist right now |
| 17:40.51 | kergoth | come back when you have some actual valid points to make |
| 17:40.54 | mjc | haha |
| 17:41.03 | mjc | calling him an elitist, he hasn't said anything bout linux at all |
| 17:41.20 | kergoth | indeed, pretty funny, more pulling statements out of his ass |
| 17:41.22 | Amadeo | kergoth made comments earlier regarding Windows/Linux |
| 17:41.25 | malreth | so |
| 17:41.27 | malreth | ? |
| 17:41.30 | Amadeo | same argument |
| 17:41.48 | malreth | ~wiki logical fallacy |
| 17:42.17 | mjc | Amadeo: he made a comment about your windows/linux argument, not about windows/linux itself |
| 17:42.39 | Laric | are you guys arguing over changes in vista by any chance? |
| 17:42.51 | Amadeo | Laric: No, mjc says nothing's changed in Windows since NT in 1993 |
| 17:42.51 | malreth | no... much stupider than that |
| 17:43.00 | kergoth | no, he doesnt |
| 17:43.09 | kergoth | he's clarified in multiple statements that he's referring to nt4 |
| 17:43.23 | kergoth | but my all means spout more illogical foundless nonsense |
| 17:43.25 | Amadeo | kergoth: If you were here originally, he said NT, later on he switched to NT4 |
| 17:43.29 | Elkano | there isn't a way to 'roll' the screen in WoW, is there? |
| 17:43.34 | mjc | Elkano: roll ? |
| 17:43.45 | Kemayo | Tekkub: I've had someone report an error which looks like CompostLib horking. http://www.wowinterface.com/portal.php?id=102&a=viewbug&bugid=2385 |
| 17:43.51 | Elkano | rotate around it's center |
| 17:44.02 | mjc | Elkano: video driver .. |
| 17:44.07 | Fudge | Wouldn't saying 'NT' logically refer the to earliest version of 'NT'? |
| 17:44.14 | Amadeo | kergoth: I've also been quoting dates of 1993, and NT4 came out in 1996, he has continued to agree with my 1993 statements, which is NT |
| 17:44.26 | Laric | Xuerian did only the little one of the roll bars made it into the code? |
| 17:44.26 | Tekkub | Don't use Compost in TBC, it's not needed anymore |
| 17:44.26 | malreth | Amadeo: so what? |
| 17:44.26 | thalie | so true kebinusan |
| 17:44.28 | malreth | who the fuck cares? |
| 17:44.31 | Xuerian | Laric: What now? |
| 17:44.40 | Elkano | but not in game, or is there? |
| 17:44.41 | malreth | just shut your stink hole and go play some wow |
| 17:44.42 | Xuerian | Laric: The others were oSkin |
| 17:44.42 | Amadeo | malreth: I'm answering kergoth |
| 17:44.46 | malreth | no. |
| 17:44.49 | Xuerian | Laric: Just a side-by-side |
| 17:44.59 | *** mode/#wowace [+b *!*n=amadeo@*.hsd1.md.comcast.net] by kergoth |
| 17:44.59 | *** kick/#wowace [Amadeo!n=kergoth@neutrino.joshua-colp.com] by kergoth (timeout, go sit in a corner) |
| 17:45.01 | malreth | you're blabbering on about pointless arguments |
| 17:45.04 | thalie | hahaha |
| 17:45.04 | kebinusan | Amadeo: do you have some sort of point to all this or are you just bitching for the sake of bitching |
| 17:45.07 | kebinusan | or that works |
| 17:45.08 | Laric | Xuerian yeah.. I liked the 'bigger' version in your screenshot |
| 17:45.14 | mjc | nice. |
| 17:45.16 | thalie | kergoth, you f***ing rule |
| 17:45.17 | thalie | lol |
| 17:45.17 | mjc | I was waiting for that. |
| 17:45.28 | Kalamadi | Someone was talking about roll bars? I want to put some of those on my car. |
| 17:45.34 | Xuerian | Laric: Those are just default loot frames, skinned by oSkin(Skinner) |
| 17:45.35 | Kemayo | Tekkub: Ah, okay. I didn't realize it wasn't needed any more. That's awesome. |
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| 17:45.47 | mjc | kergoth: I love how I managed to just state facts and he kept changing shit around.. :) |
| 17:45.48 | Fudge | Kalamadi, why? ;P Race a lot? |
| 17:45.50 | kebinusan | that was some silly stuff |
| 17:45.58 | kergoth | so anyway, how about that wow |
| 17:46.05 | mjc | kergoth: did you get into TBC? |
| 17:46.07 | malreth | i like pie! |
| 17:46.11 | Kemayo | Tekkub: I will pass on to Devla that it's his own fault for using non-updated addons in TBC. :-D |
| 17:46.15 | kebinusan | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_kernel in case anyone actually wanted a history of kernel changes to linux |
| 17:46.22 | Laric | Xuerian there is a 'bug' in yours.. you dont get a tooltip if you mouseover the icon |
| 17:46.22 | Tekkub | heh |
| 17:46.29 | malreth | rule number 1: never argue with an op |
| 17:46.30 | Adrine | So, I requested copies of my rogue, warrior, and priest to Hellfire yesterday. |
| 17:46.30 | Kalamadi | Fudge: I have two clocks in my room. One's for my extreme life and the other's to Tokyo time so I know when to drift race. |
| 17:46.35 | mjc | kebinusan: git log is probably a better place to look :P |
| 17:46.42 | Adrine | I expect this to take a few days, right? |
| 17:46.44 | thalie | malreth: even if said op is wrong |
| 17:46.48 | kebinusan | yeah |
| 17:46.51 | Fudge | Kalamadi, that's wicked.. |
| 17:46.52 | thalie | (which he's not, btw) |
| 17:46.53 | kebinusan | I just wanted something quick |
| 17:46.59 | haste | Adrine: took three for me, like a month ago |
| 17:47.01 | Adrine | Last night I logged on to find my rogue on Blade's Edge, priest and warrior nowhere to be found. |
| 17:47.03 | malreth | rule number 2: an op is never wrong |
| 17:47.05 | Xuerian | Laric: That's a framelevel bug, but yeah, I need to fix it. It's constant throughout monitor, but right now I'm trying to shove the stack code into a lib, and having various problems even getting it to register |
| 17:47.05 | sbu | uhm Xuerian: i dont really get that 'roll monitoring' thing :) |
| 17:47.07 | thalie | hahaha |
| 17:47.23 | Laric | haste is oCB working in tbc? |
| 17:47.25 | mjc | anyone on the US server? |
| 17:47.31 | sbu | Xuerian: when does xlootmaster toll raid ppl to roll? |
| 17:47.38 | sbu | and what happens with the winner etc.? |
| 17:47.39 | Adrine | haste: It's less the "time delay" thing than it is "rogue instantly showing up from a copy apparently made 6 weeks ago since I'm missing 600g and some gear" |
| 17:47.41 | Xuerian | sbu: That's my "For the moment" name for XLoot Group frames, till I get them split |
| 17:47.44 | haste | Laric: in the works, I focused on Live for quite some time |
| 17:47.45 | Xuerian | sbu: Ohhhh |
| 17:47.48 | Adrine | On the wrong server, no less. |
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| 17:48.14 | kebinusan | I nah dont make it out like this is some dictatorship in here, people are free to express opinions even if they differ from ops... *kebinusan has been kicked from #wowace |
| 17:48.22 | sbu | 'ohhh' as in 'read the source'? :P |
| 17:49.00 | Laric | Xuerian whats your nick in CastSpell? :P |
| 17:49.03 | Xuerian | sbu: All it does is says in RW/R/P (whichever first) the message you define, default "Please roll xx for xxx ends in xxx", and for the duration, watches the chatlog for /roll messages. If they fit the range you define, it displays them as clickable rows in the monitor, where you can just click the name (with the roll next to it) to distribute |
| 17:49.06 | CIA-17 | 03tristan * r16594 10T_Tracking/Core.lua: |
| 17:49.07 | CIA-17 | T_Tracking: |
| 17:49.07 | CIA-17 | - Added Icon for no tracking |
| 17:49.07 | *** mode/#wowace [-v kebinusan] by Tekkub |
| 17:49.14 | mjc | I need a castspell invite |
| 17:49.14 | kebinusan | heh |
| 17:49.19 | Xuerian | Laric: I'm not in beta, I didn't even apply for a key |
| 17:49.21 | mjc | and which faction :P |
| 17:49.26 | Laric | oh |
| 17:49.30 | sbu | Xuerian: ahhh nice - and how to start it? :p |
| 17:49.42 | Xuerian | sbu: "Clear list and announce new roll"? |
| 17:49.47 | sbu | mh |
| 17:50.06 | kebinusan | bleh I wish my toon would get copied over already |
| 17:50.08 | sbu | okok :) |
| 17:50.09 | Adrine | Because I'm lazy, is there a "Idiot's Guide To Converting Addons To Work in TBC" somewhere? |
| 17:50.11 | sbu | and 1 more thing ;) |
| 17:50.11 | mjc | Xuerian: hahah |
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| 17:50.26 | mjc | ding! BE mage 4 |
| 17:50.28 | kebinusan | Adrine: you mean like the 'list of working TBC addons' thing in the topic |
| 17:50.28 | Adrine | I dumped Sanity into my BC dir last night to find it marked "incompatible", which surprised me. |
| 17:50.32 | Xuerian | lol, grats mjc |
| 17:50.33 | sbu | is it possible to get to the xlootmaster config window w/o actually looting? |
| 17:50.44 | CIA-17 | 03kemayo * r16596 10FuBar_QuestsFu/QuestsFu.lua: FuBar_QuestsFu: (temporary measure) Kill compost if the expansion is detected. |
| 17:50.48 | Adrine | Hm, Trillian isn't showing the topic for me. I should dig that up :D |
| 17:50.52 | Xuerian | sbu: /xloot master |
| 17:50.57 | sbu | mhhhh |
| 17:51.00 | sbu | kthxbye ;p |
| 17:51.33 | mjc | hahah |
| 17:52.01 | kebinusan | Adrine: /topic #wowace should do it |
| 17:52.01 | Kalamadi | So...I found a linux app similar to quicksilver, named "katapult" (part of KDE) |
| 17:52.25 | Adrine | Heh, thanks. I couldn't remember the command. It's been a while since I've IRC'd :D |
| 17:52.37 | thalie | are the new UI restrictions coming in 1.13? |
| 17:52.49 | Kalamadi | Highly likely |
| 17:52.52 | thalie | or whatever the next patch is called |
| 17:52.57 | mjc | Kalamadi: quicksilver integrates with applescript though, so you can script actions from different applications. don't think kata is quite that robust |
| 17:53.01 | nevcairiel | yeah the new UI will come in 2.0 |
| 17:53.03 | kebinusan | thalie: yeah it'll probably be 2.0 |
| 17:53.05 | nevcairiel | which is the next patch |
| 17:53.13 | haarm | oh, has anyone heard about 40 debuff slots for 1.13 ? |
| 17:53.18 | malreth | mjc: i assure you, scripting in Unix is robust |
| 17:53.20 | thalie | that's supposed to be in haarm |
| 17:53.23 | kebinusan | haarm: yea |
| 17:53.28 | haarm | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:53.33 | Kalamadi | haarm: Yeah, my warrior friends are happy to spec for Impale now :D |
| 17:53.39 | kebinusan | it should be mostly everything from TBC save new races and new contients |
| 17:53.48 | sbu | Xuerian: are there any plans to make some CTRT replacement? (entering dkp values, export string to eqdkp, monitor players per event (boss?), save looted items/players accross sessions) :) |
| 17:53.48 | Kalamadi | And levels 60-70 |
| 17:53.51 | thalie | so the patch is going to be basically 2.0 without outlands and the new races... k |
| 17:53.52 | kebinusan | yeah that too |
| 17:53.59 | kebinusan | yep |
| 17:54.05 | mjc | malreth: mjc@kernel.org |
| 17:54.10 | haarm | Kalamadi, i'm a shadow priest and we usually have ~4-5 locks in the raid, that's like... 20 debuff slots used :D |
| 17:54.17 | malreth | oh, fine... |
| 17:54.35 | Xuerian | sbu: I was going to, yes, and it's not out the window yet (Depends on the very things-), but with the latest batch of DKP mods, it looks like there's a few that are going to do a very good job at DKP assignment |
| 17:54.38 | Kalamadi | haarm: I'm a paladin, personally, and I have a warlock alt. The 40 debuff slots are going to kick ass, and Hakkar's going to get pwn't because of it |
| 17:54.49 | kebinusan | with a street date of 1/16 I wonder when we'll see the 2.0 patch anyway |
| 17:54.50 | thalie | malreth: link? |
| 17:54.50 | thalie | jk |
| 17:55.02 | malreth | just ask mjc... in a second... |
| 17:55.05 | malreth | :D |
| 17:55.09 | mjc | malreth: but something like "send an instant message to a predefined user with a snapshot from your webcam and your currently playing music track" is a lot more difficult on linux than a couple quicksilver clicks :p |
| 17:55.15 | Kalamadi | kebinusan: I'm betting mid to mid-late December, just before Christmas |
| 17:55.27 | malreth | you can play music on linux? |
| 17:55.31 | mjc | hah |
| 17:55.32 | malreth | ZING!!! |
| 17:55.38 | mjc | zing indeed |
| 17:55.46 | Kalamadi | Ouch ;< |
| 17:55.59 | kebinusan | sure, just run winamp under WINE right? |
| 17:56.01 | kergoth | heh, i want foobar2000 for linux damnit. every linux audio player sucks for one reason or another |
| 17:56.08 | Kalamadi | foobar2000, heathen! |
| 17:56.11 | Xuerian | I remember thinking along those lines when I tried my first distro, slackware a few years ago XD |
| 17:56.27 | sbu | Xuerian: dkp mods? |
| 17:56.36 | kebinusan | Ubuntu is very user friendly if you want a nice linux distro |
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| 17:56.37 | CIA-17 | T_Tracking: |
| 17:56.37 | CIA-17 | - Bleh, just noted some more in comments |
| 17:56.42 | Xuerian | sbu: Check the Ace2.0 addons forum, they're been floating around in there |
| 17:56.44 | sbu | oh |
| 17:56.51 | kebinusan | its jsut a bit annoying for the fact they dont include nvidia drivers by default |
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| 17:57.01 | Kalamadi | I hated Ubuntu. I kept breaking it by trying to update stuff. |
| 17:57.10 | MoonWolf | foobar2000 for linux would make linux perfect. |
| 17:57.12 | mjc | Kalamadi: then you were using non-ubuntu mirrors |
| 17:57.18 | mjc | Kalamadi: or running unstable |
| 17:57.33 | malreth | my ubuntu box hasn't broken yet... |
| 17:57.56 | kebinusan | I broke it a couple times trying to get my mx1000 buttons to work |
| 17:58.01 | haste | MoonWolf: signed |
| 17:58.06 | kebinusan | but nothing too bad |
| 17:58.17 | malreth | ah... |
| 17:58.21 | haste | LAMIP seems promesing tho' |
| 17:58.23 | mjc | kebinusan: only 5 buttons in all but the latest X |
| 17:58.31 | malreth | i solve that problem by not hooking a mouse up to mine |
| 17:58.32 | kebinusan | Im just getting a bit annoyed that my mouse cursor seems to jump to the top of the screen randomly |
| 17:58.43 | malreth | or a keyboard, for that matter... |
| 17:58.52 | mjc | kebinusan: sounds like optical mouse accuracy issues. try cleaning the table :P |
| 17:58.56 | mjc | or interference |
| 17:59.18 | kebinusan | hmm yeah I havent checked the interface, I'll do that |
| 17:59.28 | Kalamadi | mjc: Meh, Katapult is just a glorified bookmark/program launcher. You fire the startup, type in a few characters to begin the search, and it'll open the browser or program that it finds |
| 17:59.35 | mjc | heh. |
| 17:59.48 | mjc | that's like, the first thing you learn to do in quicksilver, but not what makes it so great |
| 18:00.06 | DrDre | man |
| 18:00.15 | DrDre | its bad when a persons afraid to live in their own country |
| 18:00.31 | DrDre | anyone know whats the best way to kidnap your entire family and force them to leave the country |
| 18:00.33 | Kalamadi | It's by no means not a useful feature, but a GUI for handling long strings of commands on specific events would be nice... |
| 18:00.42 | Kalamadi | DrDre: Depends, which country? |
| 18:00.44 | DrDre | USA |
| 18:00.50 | DrDre | http://www.shoutwire.com/viewstory/37922/Our_Long_National_Nightmare_Has_Just_Begun |
| 18:00.56 | Kalamadi | ... |
| 18:01.00 | kebinusan | DrDre: cmon, its not so bad, reebs dont control the legislative branch anymore |
| 18:01.05 | mjc | grid needs to be able to hide the default blizz frames |
| 18:01.09 | DrDre | read that artitcle |
| 18:01.15 | mjc | I want to use it as a unit frame replacement :D\ |
| 18:01.35 | DrDre | If you support the US government, your a fucking retard |
| 18:02.22 | Mikma | http://www.thottbot.com/beta?i=5905 |
| 18:02.22 | kebinusan | DrDre: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signing_statement |
| 18:02.38 | Adrine | Hm. I've read over both the "Converted addons" page, and all of Iriel's stickies in the UI forums, and I'm still not seeing a starting point for "How to make addons BC-compatible". Specifically, how to get around the "Incompatible" flag in the addon list at char selection. |
| 18:02.50 | mjc | DrDre: retards are fun to argue into circles |
| 18:02.52 | Kalamadi | mjc: Abuh? Grid and IceHUD are the only things I use |
| 18:03.03 | nevcairiel | Adrine: change interface version to 20000 |
| 18:03.09 | Fritti | Adrine: that's the interface version |
| 18:03.12 | Fritti | what nevcairiel said :) |
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| 18:03.32 | kebinusan | DrDre: we still have a mostly liberal judicial branch to protect us |
| 18:03.33 | Adrine | Huh. I did that on a whim and it didn't seem to fix it. Maybe I missed something. |
| 18:03.41 | Adrine | I'll try it again tonight. |
| 18:03.42 | mjc | Kalamadi: I only use grid, but it doesn't seem to have a method for hiding the blizzard player/group frames |
| 18:03.43 | Fritti | be sure to restart WoW, not reload |
| 18:03.49 | Adrine | Ayup, sure did. |
| 18:03.56 | Fritti | strange |
| 18:03.58 | Adrine | Several times, actually. |
| 18:04.05 | Adrine | I might have put in 2000 rather than 20000. *shrug* |
| 18:04.08 | Adrine | I'll doublecheck tonight. |
| 18:04.10 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 18:04.29 | kebinusan | Adrine: yeah I did that a couple of times |
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| 18:05.01 | eternally777 | CastSpellByName doesn't return anything, does it? |
| 18:05.08 | nevcairiel | i dont think so |
| 18:05.14 | Adrine | FWIW, I updated my table management lib last night. It now does row creation and layout management, too. |
| 18:05.24 | sbu | Xuerian: hmm ok - better idea |
| 18:05.29 | Xuerian | ... |
| 18:05.31 | Adrine | So, you just give it column definitions and then can retrieve rows to populate their field data. |
| 18:05.42 | sbu | communication module for XLM + DKPMon ;p |
| 18:06.04 | Xuerian | Got a link for DKPMon and what you'd like to see/it do? |
| 18:06.34 | sbu | http://dkpmonaddon.googlepages.com/dkpmon |
| 18:06.41 | sbu | well tehre is e.g. "/dkp biditem [<itemlink>]+ -- Provide the list of items to be bid on." |
| 18:06.57 | Kalamadi | DrDre: Don't be so radical. We're not yet near the point where exodus or revolt is an option |
| 18:07.20 | sbu | (theres also some 'autoloot' list - but dont know, i think its not the easiest way to populate that list) |
| 18:08.03 | DrDre | Im a firm believer that the government staged 911, I believe it is at that point. |
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| 18:08.40 | kergoth | linkwrangler, is there a better version of it, or is it the best option? |
| 18:08.47 | Laric | prat :P |
| 18:08.58 | mjc | DrDre: wow, a little much |
| 18:09.06 | kebinusan | DrDre: Im a firm believer the goverment is too incompetent to pull that off |
| 18:09.08 | Laric | there is a module in prat that is a linkwrangler |
| 18:09.27 | DrDre | Youve never heard of that mjc? |
| 18:09.44 | mjc | not from the sane |
| 18:09.49 | kebinusan | lol |
| 18:09.54 | sbu | Xuerian: gonna test that dkpmon thing now |
| 18:10.07 | Xuerian | sbu: There's no point making a interface between the two |
| 18:10.14 | Kalamadi | In such a massive event, it's easy for conspiracy theorists to find their niche. |
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| 18:10.38 | Kalamadi | It just sounds so much more plausable because there's supposedly so much more evidence. There isn't. |
| 18:10.57 | DrDre | Country must be full of insane people :P considering its widely believed by a large portion of the country |
| 18:11.05 | Adrine | DrDre: Source please. |
| 18:11.10 | Laric | hmm think it would be possible to write an 'empty' compost to emulate what it does? or should one just go out and do the hard work and remove it manually? |
| 18:11.16 | mjc | 90% of everything is crap anyways. |
| 18:11.22 | Adrine | Laric: Should be trivial enough |
| 18:11.26 | Laric | compost at line 81 compares with nil |
| 18:11.28 | DrDre | I dont remember url to that >_> u think i keep this stuf on top of my head lol |
| 18:11.32 | Adrine | Acquire and Recycle return {} |
| 18:11.37 | Adrine | Reclaim does nothing |
| 18:11.39 | Adrine | Data. |
| 18:11.40 | Adrine | Tada* |
| 18:11.47 | Laric | adrine not quite |
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| 18:11.58 | Laric | aquirehash does something |
| 18:12.05 | Somani | Hi |
| 18:12.13 | Somani | i have some problems with ag_uf |
| 18:12.23 | Adrine | Well, it should be simple enough to stub |
| 18:12.24 | Somani | the buffs/debuffs dont refresh -.- |
| 18:12.33 | Adrine | You know the expected input/output of each of the API methods |
| 18:12.55 | Adrine | Just write a lib that implements the API but doesn't do the table reuse stuff |
| 18:14.04 | JoshBorke | or let people remove it themselves |
| 18:14.58 | Somani | anyone an idea why the aguf buffs/debuffs dont refresh if i change target? |
| 18:15.04 | Somani | thats ab bit crappy ^^ |
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| 18:16.00 | kebinusan | bleh why does it take two days to copy a character to the beta server |
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| 18:17.42 | Inside | Someone has to note down all the bits on a piece of paper and physically carry it over and input it. |
| 18:17.42 | Grine | tekkub? |
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| 18:18.07 | Laric | ah nice.. killed compost in fubar.. on to the next plugin :P |
| 18:18.28 | Adrine | http://ace.pastey.net/2314 |
| 18:18.29 | Adrine | Tada :D |
| 18:19.21 | kebinusan | Inside: :-( |
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| 18:19.52 | evl | Any addon that can show me combined +hit? |
| 18:19.53 | Laric | nice adrine :P |
| 18:20.04 | evl | Preferably a modded character info adodn |
| 18:20.51 | Adrine | http://ace.pastey.net/2314 - and updated to be a library! |
| 18:22.10 | Inside | What is CompostSTub? |
| 18:22.24 | Laric | to replace compost :P |
| 18:22.28 | Adrine | A theoretical library that implements the Compost API but doesn't do any table management, for TBC |
| 18:22.37 | Adrine | So you don't have to change addons that use Compost |
| 18:22.45 | JoshBorke | but those addons sholud be changed |
| 18:23.00 | Adrine | You just change AceLibrary("Compost-2.0") to AceLibrary("CompostStub-1.0") in your addon and poof, it works. |
| 18:23.01 | Laric | and then just do Compost=CompostStub right? :P |
| 18:23.27 | Adrine | Please note that that's entirely dry code, not tested, or even attempted to be parsed :P |
| 18:23.40 | Laric | commit it adrine and I will test it |
| 18:23.45 | Adrine | Heh, I don't have SVN access |
| 18:23.50 | Adrine | I should request that |
| 18:23.58 | Grine | bah squeenix alpha setting is borked |
| 18:24.10 | Adrine | But, yes, JoshBorke is right. They addons should be updated to remove Compost usage. |
| 18:24.16 | Mikma | http://www.thottbot.com/beta?i=363 :D |
| 18:24.43 | Adrine | That said, if you're lazy and want it to Just Work, something like that stub should fill the gap nicely. |
| 18:25.08 | Laric | I guess I will continue to hack addons and remove the compost |
| 18:25.18 | Laric | putting em up in branches I guess :P |
| 18:25.45 | Adrine | It'll be faster with just plain table creation, since you don't have the overhead associated with another library, and don't have to push additional function calls onto the stack. |
| 18:27.10 | Laric | is there any fancy way to retrieve multi returns from GetAddOnDependencies other than dep1,dep2... etc ? |
| 18:27.28 | Neronix | hah, someone took down Slashdot |
| 18:27.32 | Laric | since this is lua 5.1 :P |
| 18:27.45 | Adrine | Comes up for me, Neronix |
| 18:28.00 | Neronix | It could only handle 2^24 comments, and someone went and posted the 16,777,215th |
| 18:28.29 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 18:28.34 | Grine | slashdot is win :P |
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| 18:34.47 | eternally777 | What exactly is the difference between "do break end" and just "break"? |
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| 18:36.14 | sbu | mh ok |
| 18:36.27 | Adrine | eternally777: Context? |
| 18:36.42 | Adrine | You can't have a break outside of a loop, but a loop that contains nothing but break seems pointless. |
| 18:36.59 | sbu | Xuerian: i dont like dkpmon ;) |
| 18:37.22 | Laric | eternally777 the break breaks the do :P |
| 18:37.41 | Adrine | Unless the loop mutates something in the course of determining the iteration values, but then you could just mutate the first index of your iterate target. |
| 18:38.32 | eternally777 | Context: The example on this page: http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetSpellName |
| 18:38.47 | Inside | [ YOUR ACCOUNT IS NOW UPGRADED ] |
| 18:38.52 | Adrine | ...does that even compile? |
| 18:38.56 | Inside | Continue installing beta? (Y/N) |
| 18:39.25 | yacoob | watch it, or you'll dehydrate... |
| 18:39.34 | kebinusan | Inside: now you get to wait 48 hours to copy over your character |
| 18:39.38 | malreth | not if i hit him with the firehose |
| 18:39.49 | Adrine | Huh, so it does. |
| 18:39.51 | Inside | That's okay, I gotta get to 55 first anyways. |
| 18:39.58 | Inside | How long is the beta for? |
| 18:40.21 | Adrine | Till Jan 16, presumably. |
| 18:40.51 | Adrine | eternally777: My tests show that there is no difference at all |
| 18:41.26 | Adrine | http://ace.pastey.net/2316 - I just ran that against the lua5.1 binary |
| 18:41.56 | Adrine | It produces the same output with "break" and "do break end" |
| 18:42.25 | Laric | Adrine isnt that wrong? |
| 18:42.37 | Adrine | *shrug* |
| 18:42.41 | Laric | shouldnt it just break? |
| 18:42.54 | eternally777 | Adrine: Alright, thought so. Thanks |
| 18:42.54 | Adrine | I've never seen "do break end" just by itself. |
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| 18:43.14 | mjc | do break end sounds like a huge no-op |
| 18:43.20 | kergoth | break and return have to precede an end |
| 18:43.31 | Adrine | But in that example, it does anyway kergoth |
| 18:43.37 | Inside | Hmmm |
| 18:43.44 | Adrine | if not spellName then do break end end |
| 18:43.46 | Inside | Hufu - The human flavoured tofu -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hufu |
| 18:43.58 | Adrine | You could shorten it to "if not spellName then break end" just as effectively. |
| 18:44.04 | kergoth | yep |
| 18:44.17 | kergoth | break should be working there |
| 18:44.18 | kergoth | whats the behavior? |
| 18:44.28 | Adrine | It just breaks normally in both cases |
| 18:44.56 | Adrine | I'd have actually expected "do break end" to do nothing since it'd just break out of the "do", but without a preceding iterator, it apparently doesn't do anything, interestingly. |
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| 18:45.11 | Laric | anyone got a more elegant way to do this? http://ace.pastey.net/2317 |
| 18:45.29 | GanJa | anyone happen to know where to get a new version of sct... just updated my libs and it's giving me errors now |
| 18:45.56 | GanJa | lua right laric? |
| 18:46.10 | nevcairiel | i assume, if 20 is set, all before are set as well? |
| 18:46.25 | Laric | I would assume so aswell |
| 18:46.27 | kergoth | Adrine: break doesnt break out of a block, it breaks out of a loop |
| 18:46.40 | kergoth | so it doesnt break either the do end or the if then end |
| 18:46.53 | Adrine | I know, but I'd expect the "do" to define a new loop. |
| 18:46.56 | nevcairiel | just do list = {larg1, larg2, larg3, .....} |
| 18:46.56 | kergoth | no. |
| 18:46.58 | kergoth | do is not a loop |
| 18:47.00 | kergoth | do end is a block |
| 18:47.01 | ckknight_ | hey all |
| 18:47.02 | Adrine | But apparently it's the "while" or "for". |
| 18:47.03 | kergoth | read the lua manual |
| 18:47.13 | kergoth | do |
| 18:47.14 | Adrine | I should re-read it. It's been a while. |
| 18:47.15 | kergoth | local f = 5 |
| 18:47.15 | kergoth | end |
| 18:47.17 | kergoth | is quite valid |
| 18:47.22 | kergoth | just defines scope |
| 18:47.40 | Adrine | Hm, that's true. |
| 18:47.46 | Laric | nevcairiel what happens if any of them are nil? |
| 18:47.51 | Adrine | Though in that example, it's pointless since nothing is done with the scope. |
| 18:47.59 | GanJa | http://ace.pastey.net/2318 |
| 18:48.08 | Adrine | Laric: Why not just list = {GetGossipAvailableQuests()} ? |
| 18:48.25 | Adrine | Hm, you want to avoid nils, so ignore that :) |
| 18:48.32 | Laric | adrine does it work that way.. nice :P |
| 18:48.50 | yacoob | two days of tutoring. Give me something to kill. |
| 18:49.01 | Adrine | Yes, it does, though you'll get nil values if the function returns nils |
| 18:49.29 | Adrine | if GetGossipAvailableQuests() returns "3, nil, 'asd'" then list becomes {3, nil, "asd"} |
| 18:49.29 | GanJa | if you want to avoid nils use my pastey |
| 18:50.09 | Laric | thanks :P |
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| 18:53.43 | Adrine | If the indexes aren't important... |
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| 18:54.02 | Adrine | http://ace.pastey.net/2319 |
| 18:54.10 | nevcairiel | how was that AceDB defaults wildcard, ['*'] ? |
| 18:54.11 | Adrine | That does it with a single table |
| 18:54.21 | Adrine | If the indexes are important, you could do it with two tables easily enough. |
| 18:54.29 | ckknight | right, nevcairiel |
| 18:54.37 | Laric | takes a while to eliminate compost |
| 18:55.08 | nevcairiel | thanks ckk |
| 18:55.35 | GanJa | btw kergoth... |
| 18:55.38 | GanJa | break does work |
| 18:55.39 | GanJa | http://ace.pastey.net/2320 |
| 18:56.12 | kergoth | hm? |
| 18:56.14 | JoshBorke | kergoth: how do i get the instructions output from luac? |
| 18:56.22 | kergoth | of course it does, ganja |
| 18:56.41 | Adrine | break works fine. The confusion was over the inclusion of the do...end as a block. |
| 18:57.39 | kergoth | GanJa: what i said was that break had to precede an end, just as return does. i didnt say that it did not work, or that it had to precede soem specific end |
| 18:57.56 | kergoth | JoshBorke: there are a number of lua pdfs on the lua site |
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| 18:58.04 | kergoth | at least one of them covers details on teh VM instructions and stuff |
| 18:58.18 | kergoth | i found that most insightful at interpreting the luac -l -p output, since thats basically a dump of the instructions |
| 18:58.25 | CIA-17 | 03kemayo * r16599 10FuBar_QuestsFu/QuestsFu.lua: FuBar_QuestsFu: Clean up some bugs if compost isn't there in the expansion. |
| 18:58.27 | JoshBorke | wahahah! there it is! |
| 18:58.34 | Laric | hmmm isnt it very bad form to compost:Acquire and never compost:Reclaim? |
| 18:58.44 | JoshBorke | Laric: not if they use the table themself |
| 18:59.10 | Laric | then why would one use compost in the first place? |
| 18:59.38 | Laric | Kemayo lol.. I just removed compost in my local copy of questsfu :P |
| 19:00.11 | JoshBorke | hot damn! i was right! |
| 19:01.07 | CIA-17 | 03kemayo * r16600 10Quixote/Quixote-1.0/Quixote-1.0.lua: Quixote: Don't load compost in the expansion. |
| 19:01.39 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 19:01.54 | JoshBorke | g=(g or 0) + 1 is better than: if (not g) then g = 0 end g = g + 1 |
| 19:02.23 | Adrine | Nice, JoshBorke |
| 19:02.24 | nevcairiel | looks cooler as well josh |
| 19:03.10 | nevcairiel | hrm |
| 19:03.21 | nevcairiel | i could use AcquireDBNamespace for my config per bar .. |
| 19:04.20 | kergoth | JoshBorke: it looks like if you always do an assignment, then doing it all at once is more efficient |
| 19:04.23 | kergoth | like your example there |
| 19:04.44 | kergoth | but if not, like in g = g or 5, just for a default value, then its slightly less so |
| 19:05.30 | ckknight | JoshBorke, yea, it's right cause you do one assignment instead of two |
| 19:05.33 | mjc | kergoth: how do I use your most recent scripts |
| 19:05.35 | mjc | :P |
| 19:05.44 | mjc | theey don't seem to work quite right in my env. |
| 19:06.52 | Mikma | http://wow.reaktio.net/TBC/TBC3.jpg |
| 19:07.01 | nevcairiel | ckknight: can i registerdefaults on a DB i got with AcquireDBNamespace? |
| 19:07.19 | ckknight | :RegisterDefaults("namespace", "kind", { stuffs }) |
| 19:07.25 | GanJa | "Tablet 2.0: You must add categories in within a registration" - what's that about? I'm following the scripts that are shown http://www.wowace.com/wiki/Tablet-2.0 |
| 19:07.26 | nevcairiel | thanks |
| 19:07.26 | ckknight | don't you read the API? |
| 19:07.34 | nevcairiel | i try to |
| 19:07.34 | nevcairiel | :) |
| 19:07.51 | Industrial | http://petopia.brashendeavors.net/html/mobs/mob_takktheleaper.html |
| 19:07.52 | ckknight | GanJa, you're not making the lines in the right place |
| 19:07.52 | Industrial | leet pet |
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| 19:08.36 | Industrial | ill catch this one |
| 19:08.38 | Industrial | http://petopia.brashendeavors.net/html/mobs/mob_therake.html |
| 19:08.38 | Industrial | for now |
| 19:08.46 | Industrial | see if i can get Takk at 19 :-) |
| 19:08.51 | Mikma | http://wow.reaktio.net/TBC/TBC4.jpg |
| 19:08.58 | ckknight | Industrial, rake is good for a long while, as it's attack speed is so damn high |
| 19:09.01 | ckknight | err, low |
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| 19:09.15 | ckknight | Mikma, eye of the storm? |
| 19:09.26 | Mikma | ckknight: portal to Old Hillsbrad |
| 19:09.33 | ckknight | ah. |
| 19:09.49 | nevcairiel | i wanted to go to the caverns of time |
| 19:09.51 | JoshBorke | ok, that is totally scary |
| 19:09.53 | Industrial | ckknight: yeah i know, 1.2. Im shopping for my 19 twink hunter pet right now :D |
| 19:10.02 | Industrial | ckknight: im in mulgore trying to get The Rake atm |
| 19:10.13 | Mikma | nevcairiel: well i'm in there now |
| 19:10.15 | Mikma | it's open as you knowe |
| 19:10.25 | nevcairiel | i know |
| 19:10.32 | nevcairiel | its 5 man, isnt it? |
| 19:10.32 | odt | i had the rake on my hunter as the only pet from lvl15-60 |
| 19:11.22 | Mikma | nevcairiel: yeah, 64-70 |
| 19:11.35 | nevcairiel | i need to get to 64 |
| 19:11.35 | Industrial | http://petopia.brashendeavors.net/html/mobs/mob_slaveringworg.html |
| 19:11.37 | Industrial | 18-19 |
| 19:11.40 | Industrial | also attack speed 1.2 |
| 19:11.44 | Mikma | and you have to complete quest "Caverns of time" before you can enter the portal |
| 19:11.45 | nevcairiel | anyway, porting IF and going there |
| 19:12.07 | nevcairiel | hrm |
| 19:12.18 | Mikma | nevcairiel: well meet ya there :D |
| 19:12.18 | nevcairiel | Kadghar has a quest for me, where i can choose between aldor and scryer |
| 19:12.23 | Mikma | i'm already there finding the quest |
| 19:13.06 | nevcairiel | i need to figure out if i want aldor or scryer in final |
| 19:13.45 | Mikma | what's that? flying mount? |
| 19:13.53 | nevcairiel | no |
| 19:14.01 | nevcairiel | thats the two major factions in shattrath |
| 19:14.11 | nevcairiel | kinda competitive |
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| 19:14.18 | Mikma | right |
| 19:14.20 | nevcairiel | aldor are draenei, scyre are bloodelves |
| 19:14.37 | ckknight | can't you have both? |
| 19:14.52 | nevcairiel | quests which gain rep on one, decrease on another |
| 19:15.02 | ckknight | faction gain in one only removes half fromthe other, so you could do it |
| 19:15.45 | nevcairiel | And Khadgar has two quests, Allegiance with Aldor, and Allegiance with Scryer, which push you to friendly on the one and Hostile on the other |
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| 19:15.56 | Kyahx|afk | How do you spell fhgwghatz |
| 19:16.10 | Mikma | Kyahx: you don't. |
| 19:16.21 | Kyahx | :( I can't find the Strong Bad e-mail that mentioned it |
| 19:16.22 | Kyahx | haha |
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| 19:18.37 | kergoth | wrote a little lua script to take the tsv files from that gatherer database site and merge the data into my gatherer saved vars, if anyone needs it. fuck using taht windows app to do it :P |
| 19:18.44 | ckknight | nevcairiel, ah. |
| 19:19.27 | nevcairiel | i bet you can have both at some point |
| 19:19.32 | nevcairiel | but it will be hard :) |
| 19:19.44 | Mikma | well |
| 19:19.46 | Srosh | maybe at revered, but not at exalted |
| 19:19.51 | Mikma | i can't find the quest that needs to be completed |
| 19:19.52 | Industrial | http://petopia.brashendeavors.net/html/mobs/mob_ghostsaber.html |
| 19:19.57 | Industrial | this guy is pretty cool too |
| 19:20.33 | Mikma | Industrial: yeah, can also be got as "pet" |
| 19:20.36 | Mikma | 1 charge tho |
| 19:20.39 | malreth | my fiancee got the ghost saber on her first try |
| 19:20.47 | malreth | no... it's a pet |
| 19:20.52 | Mikma | it's also a mob |
| 19:21.00 | Mikma | "pet" and a mob |
| 19:21.07 | Mikma | "This cat is ghostly! Although not reflected in this picture, the Ghost Saber always appears semi-transparent even after it is tamed." |
| 19:21.29 | malreth | oh... sorry, i misunderstood you |
| 19:21.36 | Mikma | malreth: no you didn't |
| 19:21.37 | malreth | i thought you said "can't"... not "can" |
| 19:21.45 | Mikma | you can taim it |
| 19:21.52 | Mikma | and you can ALSO get it as 1 charge pet |
| 19:22.06 | Mikma | oh ok |
| 19:22.06 | malreth | i know... i somehow read you as saying... oh never mind. i'm on crack |
| 19:22.10 | Mikma | maybe you did then |
| 19:22.36 | malreth | shit! |
| 19:23.15 | Mikma | crack is bad mmkay |
| 19:25.04 | Mikma | nevcairiel: move your lazy ass |
| 19:25.12 | nevcairiel | on the ship |
| 19:26.09 | Mikma | now all we need to do is find the damn quest |
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| 19:27.09 | nevcairiel | is there math.mod in lua? |
| 19:27.16 | Mikma | yeah i think there is |
| 19:27.19 | nevcairiel | i need to bookmark the manual |
| 19:27.19 | malreth | yah |
| 19:27.22 | Mikma | atleast i have heard of it |
| 19:27.22 | JoshBorke | nevcairiel: in 5.0 |
| 19:27.23 | kergoth | iirc its math.fmod |
| 19:27.26 | malreth | in 5.1, you can use the % operator |
| 19:27.28 | JoshBorke | nevcairiel: in 5.1 it's math.fmod |
| 19:27.34 | JoshBorke | we get % in 5.1? woot woot! |
| 19:27.42 | malreth | yep... finally |
| 19:28.05 | nevcairiel | nice |
| 19:28.06 | Adrine | Here's a puzzler for those of you that know Lua better than I... |
| 19:28.07 | Adrine | http://ace.pastey.net/2321 |
| 19:28.23 | JoshBorke | 42 |
| 19:28.26 | JoshBorke | obviously the answer is 42 |
| 19:28.37 | kergoth | ~the answer |
| 19:28.39 | purl | from memory, the answer is 42 ~ |
| 19:29.00 | Adrine | What I want to know is why "return TestObj:Func2()" results in Func2's name not being pushed onto the call stack. |
| 19:29.14 | kergoth | proper tail call |
| 19:29.43 | Adrine | Obviously I have some reading to do. |
| 19:29.45 | kergoth | http://www.lua.org/pil/6.3.html |
| 19:29.52 | kergoth | alternatively, see wikipedia for info on tail recursion |
| 19:29.58 | Adrine | Heh, I was already on Wikipedia :) |
| 19:30.00 | Adrine | Thank you. |
| 19:30.02 | Mi|es | a little teaser for those using aUF: http://elektron.its.tudelft.nl/~chkwok30/oekaboe/auffade.avi |
| 19:30.07 | kergoth | converts a recursion into an iteration |
| 19:30.13 | kergoth | hence, no stack space used |
| 19:30.17 | Adrine | Clever. |
| 19:30.49 | Adrine | Makes writing a profiler a bit tricker, unfortunately. |
| 19:31.00 | JoshBorke | o.O |
| 19:31.53 | Gngsk | Mi|es, what frame style is that? |
| 19:31.55 | Mikma | ckknight: cartographer lies :D Caverns of Time ain't 64-70 it's 66-70 (the quest can be obtained at level 66 which allows you to enter) |
| 19:32.18 | Adrine | I've got tekSupport modded to auto-profile any object I throw at it (hook its functions, measure time taken by those functions), and it works -beautifully- except in cases where it's doing a proper tail call, which borks the name of the function on top of the stack and results in me not being able to look it up in my hooked functions list. |
| 19:32.29 | Mi|es | ABF + modification |
| 19:32.38 | JoshBorke | Adrine: heard of LuaProfiler? |
| 19:32.42 | nevcairiel | Mikma: i thought the smallest instance was earlier |
| 19:32.43 | Gngsk | ahh, nice |
| 19:32.44 | kergoth | not much you can do about that adrine, at least without access to the debug.* methods |
| 19:32.48 | kergoth | outside of wow you certainly could |
| 19:32.52 | Gngsk | btw, I thought everyone pulled those packs out to the square room |
| 19:32.52 | Adrine | So I figured, kergoth :/ |
| 19:32.52 | Mikma | nevcairiel: yeah i thought so too |
| 19:33.00 | Adrine | JoshBorke: Yeah, but I want this running inside of WoW |
| 19:33.11 | JoshBorke | Adrine: it's a profiler written for wow |
| 19:33.20 | Adrine | ...really now. |
| 19:33.23 | GanJa | anyone in here familiar with tablet lib? I've got like a whole thing written out which executes fine but the problem is I don't see a window or anything..... |
| 19:33.37 | kergoth | sounds like they shouldve picked a name that wasnt already taken |
| 19:33.37 | Adrine | The one I'm familiar with is a general-purpose Lua profiler. |
| 19:33.43 | JoshBorke | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4843 |
| 19:33.43 | kergoth | luaprofiler is a project that has nothing to do with wow |
| 19:33.47 | Adrine | http://www.keplerproject.org/luaprofiler/ |
| 19:34.05 | JoshBorke | =D |
| 19:34.09 | ckknight | Mikma, feel free to update TouristLib |
| 19:34.16 | ckknight | alright, I gotta go |
| 19:34.16 | JoshBorke | it just so happens shag is uncreative |
| 19:34.19 | ckknight | cya in a bit |
| 19:34.35 | Gngsk | wowluaprofiler, how's that for uncreative? |
| 19:34.37 | malreth | bah... need foodo |
| 19:34.43 | malreth | doosdasjkfassf |
| 19:35.15 | Fudge | Mi|es, <3 |
| 19:35.47 | Adrine | I'll give it a shot, see if it works for me. |
| 19:36.05 | yacoob | malreth should stay away from the foodoo. |
| 19:36.11 | CIA-17 | 03tristan * r16601 10T_Tracking/ (Core.lua Localization.lua): |
| 19:36.11 | CIA-17 | T_Tracking: |
| 19:36.11 | CIA-17 | - Changed some functions, rewrote icon system |
| 19:40.11 | JoshBorke | Adrine: cncfanatics said something about it not working right with objects |
| 19:40.43 | Adrine | Hrm. |
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| 19:42.08 | Toadkiller | Anyone know how many Action Slot IDs there are in BC? |
| 19:42.44 | Mikma | 120 |
| 19:43.05 | cncfanatics | What did I say ? |
| 19:43.12 | cncfanatics | JoshBorke |
| 19:43.27 | Fudge | Any way to set all Ace2 mods with profile settings to a specific profile instead of having to go through them one by one picking the profile? |
| 19:43.37 | JoshBorke | cncfanatics: that LuaProfiler didn't work properly with objects |
| 19:43.41 | JoshBorke | and you had to hack it |
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| 19:48.02 | malreth | whee hoooo hoo hooooo! |
| 19:48.17 | Adrine | Heh, I think I got it working, actually. |
| 19:48.22 | Adrine | (my version) |
| 19:48.47 | Adrine | Just took a cue from LuaProfiler and used an inline function rather than assigning it to a table function. |
| 19:51.10 | yacoob | malreth, stay away, from the foodoo! |
| 19:51.33 | malreth | i gots me some barbeque |
| 19:51.54 | Fudge | Ugh.. I gotta stop updating my mods. |
| 19:52.12 | Fudge | Everytime I update the mods I have my whole UI craps out and I spend two hours fixing it. ;P |
| 19:52.26 | yacoob | behold! malreth salad! *tosses malreth into crystal platter* |
| 19:52.31 | yacoob | Fudge, that's the part of the game :) |
| 19:52.38 | yacoob | (what would you expect with a nick like that? :) |
| 19:52.38 | Industrial | Fudge: update more often |
| 19:52.43 | Industrial | Fudge: read readmes |
| 19:52.46 | Industrial | Fudge: read changelog |
| 19:52.48 | Industrial | s |
| 19:52.56 | yacoob | nice, dressing. |
| 19:52.59 | Industrial | lol |
| 19:53.23 | Fudge | Sad thing is that I don't even know what mod broke it. :/ Didn't get any error messages. |
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| 19:53.48 | yacoob | well, there's a way to debug it. Disable all, turn on one by one. |
| 19:53.58 | [Liquidor] | Heh this is cool |
| 19:54.02 | Kyahx | Industrial: no key yet? =( |
| 19:54.05 | cncfanatics | JoshBork, true |
| 19:54.09 | [Liquidor] | I'm watching a live broadcast of a world of warcraft bot playing |
| 19:54.15 | kergoth | do acemodules not go into standby when teh addon does, or is prat just bugged? |
| 19:54.16 | Industrial | Kyahx: im not waiting on it anymore |
| 19:54.18 | CIA-17 | 03tristan * r16602 10T_Tracking/Localization.lua: |
| 19:54.18 | CIA-17 | T_Tracking: |
| 19:54.18 | CIA-17 | - Added for the pot Detect Undead |
| 19:54.22 | Industrial | but no |
| 19:54.34 | Kyahx | *sigh* |
| 19:54.47 | Xuerian | kergoth: They don't |
| 19:54.54 | kergoth | why the hell not |
| 19:55.18 | Xuerian | :p |
| 19:55.55 | kergoth | damnit wheres ck, i need to complain :P |
| 19:56.05 | Gngsk | he left |
| 19:56.08 | Fudge | I'm gonna cry. |
| 19:56.15 | Gngsk | Don't do that. |
| 19:56.25 | CIA-17 | 03tristan * r16603 10T_Tracking/Localization.lua: |
| 19:56.25 | CIA-17 | T_Tracking: |
| 19:56.25 | CIA-17 | - Fixed error with Detect Undead |
| 20:00.07 | cncfanatics | ooooh |
| 20:00.14 | cncfanatics | level cap removed in TBC ! |
| 20:00.22 | kergoth | ? |
| 20:00.42 | yacoob | Yes! And there's film at 11! |
| 20:00.57 | Fudge | Err.. |
| 20:01.19 | nevcairiel | (21:00:13) (cncfanatics) level cap removed in TBC ! <-- and i am still 60 ^^ |
| 20:01.50 | cncfanatics | same nevcairiel :p |
| 20:01.51 | cncfanatics | I just code |
| 20:01.59 | cncfanatics | means now I can copy premades though |
| 20:02.49 | Silviu- | kemayo, here ? |
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| 20:03.32 | nevcairiel | cncfanatics: you can? |
| 20:04.20 | [Liquidor] | Check out my new drawing http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/8577/patchwerkbyliqwe9.jpg :) |
| 20:04.39 | Fudge | I still think it's photoshopped. |
| 20:04.52 | [Liquidor] | :( |
| 20:04.58 | nevcairiel | lol |
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| 20:07.13 | kebinusan | yeah I couldnt copy a premade earlier |
| 20:07.26 | kebinusan | and the existing chars still says 1 day wait time |
| 20:10.03 | cncfanatics | the nub char copy page dsnt even load |
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| 20:10.46 | Silviu- | cncfanatics can u tell me the page pls i forgot the link |
| 20:11.08 | Silviu- | Ah ok i found it |
| 20:11.09 | Silviu- | beta.wow-europe.com/expansion |
| 20:12.12 | cncfanatics | i'm gonna compile myself a light kernel |
| 20:12.17 | cncfanatics | mine is way too slompy |
| 20:12.24 | cncfanatics | anyone has recomendations on non vanilla kernels ? |
| 20:12.30 | Fudge | Xuerian, 'Clear current history' doesn't seem to clear the 'View by Item' dropdown in the Loot History part of XLM. |
| 20:12.42 | yacoob | cncfanatics, if it's debian, use kernel-package |
| 20:12.43 | Xuerian | Fudge: Fudgenickers! |
| 20:12.50 | Xuerian | Fudge: Will fixzies. |
| 20:13.00 | cncfanatics | it is debian |
| 20:13.36 | cncfanatics | also gonna upgrade my filesystem to reiserfs4 |
| 20:13.43 | yacoob | cncfanatics, good. apt-get install kernel-package, read the manpage of make-kpkg |
| 20:13.57 | yacoob | basically, it makes your own .deb with your kernel :) |
| 20:14.03 | yacoob | reiserfs4...? what for? :D |
| 20:14.36 | cncfanatics | speeeed |
| 20:15.01 | yacoob | I doubt you'll get noticeable difference |
| 20:15.19 | cncfanatics | and also, spares space when having lots of squishy little files like me |
| 20:15.25 | cncfanatics | no block alignment |
| 20:16.08 | cncfanatics | also, vanilla kernel dsnt have reiserfs4 support at all :p |
| 20:16.48 | JoshBorke | sadly, i cannot find the link to IEF |
| 20:17.54 | cncfanatics | hmmm, anyone experiences with GNU hurd ? |
| 20:17.54 | cncfanatics | considering it |
| 20:18.48 | yacoob | don't :) |
| 20:18.51 | axxo | !notes XLoot |
| 20:18.58 | yacoob | unless you're really desperate for "adventure" :D |
| 20:19.04 | Xuerian | no svnbot =| |
| 20:19.28 | yacoob | but basically, it doesn't have enough critical mass to be developed in timely maner... |
| 20:19.29 | Xuerian | ## Notes: A remake of the built-in lootframe |
| 20:19.39 | Mikma | http://wow.reaktio.net/TBC/TBC5.jpg |
| 20:19.52 | Mikma | that's some nice mob |
| 20:19.58 | cncfanatics | got that yacoob :p |
| 20:20.29 | yacoob | cncfanatics, then you can also prance around with OSX on i386 |
| 20:20.35 | axxo | Xuerian: is there a way turn loot rolls off? i can't find it |
| 20:20.41 | yacoob | it's fun to poke around, once you manage to run it. |
| 20:20.56 | yacoob | (I was lucky, I have very apple-like hw) |
| 20:20.58 | Xuerian | axxo: I'm working on that right now |
| 20:21.05 | cncfanatics | well, i'm no linux pro |
| 20:21.09 | cncfanatics | i'd rather not mess around too much :p |
| 20:21.15 | cncfanatics | came back to linux after years of win |
| 20:21.21 | axxo | cool, nice feature, but oh so dangerous, when they disapear and another one moves up :) |
| 20:22.20 | Xuerian | axxo: Explain? |
| 20:22.22 | Xuerian | Ahh |
| 20:22.47 | yacoob | cncfanatics, I recently "switched" from my nifty debian to kubuntu |
| 20:23.05 | Xuerian | axxo: There's a idea. I need a stack that doesn't insert, but actually stacks. |
| 20:23.08 | yacoob | decided I basically need things to work, and I can concentrate on breaking... err... improving things I want. |
| 20:23.22 | axxo | Xuerian: or don't make them disapear unless you rolled on everything |
| 20:23.33 | yacoob | debian failed to release stable in sane time again, plus the religious approach to some issues... |
| 20:23.46 | cncfanatics | I hate stable releases either way :p |
| 20:23.57 | cncfanatics | using unstable atm |
| 20:24.02 | yacoob | well... |
| 20:24.04 | yacoob | consider this |
| 20:24.07 | cncfanatics | what are the advantages of kunbuntu over deb unstable ? |
| 20:24.11 | Xuerian | None of them should disappear unless CANCEL_LOOT_ROLL is fired |
| 20:24.30 | yacoob | unstable changes at will -> xorg changes at will -> new xorg needs new fglrx -> new fglrx is CRAPPIER than older release of fglrx |
| 20:24.32 | Xuerian | (Which is whenever they expire, or you roll on them) |
| 20:24.34 | yacoob | this literally drove me mad. |
| 20:24.47 | yacoob | cncfanatics, if you're proficient with linux, there's little. |
| 20:24.58 | cncfanatics | just ignore fglrx in ur apt.conf file ? |
| 20:25.03 | cncfanatics | and keep the release u find runs the fastests |
| 20:25.17 | Xuerian | axxo: When were they disappearing? Sounds more like a bug I need to fix to me :p |
| 20:25.28 | yacoob | as for me, it saves me time, because it's "supposed to be stable" and more or less integrated |
| 20:25.28 | axxo | Xuerian: say there are 4things to roll on, you decide to roll on the first, then you hovering over 2nd, while 1first is disapearing, when it does, you mouse is over the 3rd |
| 20:25.41 | cncfanatics | I like to mess around :p |
| 20:25.46 | yacoob | cncfanatics, you do not understand. I *have* to upgrade fglrx, because the old one won't work with new xorg :D |
| 20:25.58 | cncfanatics | mine work -.- |
| 20:26.00 | Xuerian | axxo: Ahh, well I can make a no-shuffle and grow-vs-shift mode for stacks |
| 20:26.02 | yacoob | and I can hold back the xorg, but with time more and more stuff will depend on it |
| 20:26.05 | cncfanatics | just had to recompile the old version with module-assistant |
| 20:26.13 | yacoob | cncfanatics, sure, mine works too. But try playing video with xv over tv output... :DDDD |
| 20:26.22 | cncfanatics | tried to just recompile it ? |
| 20:26.23 | Xuerian | axxo: I've been working on splitting the stacking code into a lib so I can split group and monitor, that's why I'm not doing it right this moment :p |
| 20:26.36 | yacoob | cncfanatics, yeah, it's Known Bug Ati Don't Give Shit About. |
| 20:27.06 | yacoob | right now it displays upper 1/3 of the video, when using xv over tv output |
| 20:27.06 | cncfanatics | bleh |
| 20:27.06 | axxo | Xuerian: :D xloot is great btw, keep it up :) |
| 20:27.06 | yacoob | noone cared to fix it for... hm, 6 releases? 7? |
| 20:27.06 | cncfanatics | i'm gonna benchmark all ati drivers soon then |
| 20:27.15 | yacoob | cncfanatics, basically, I sacrificed some things, in order to get others :D |
| 20:27.49 | yacoob | I decided I'd rather have stable thing first, and tweakability later. Because I don't have time to play with *all* stuff anyway :) |
| 20:28.04 | Mikma | anyone has any idea where can i get the Mana Wyrmling |
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| 20:28.25 | Xuerian | axxo: Thanks :P |
| 20:28.58 | yacoob | cncfanatics, btw. Fglrx was the only driver that allowed me to play UT2004 smoothly with linux. |
| 20:29.28 | yacoob | the OSS ran the game, with acceleration but the quality of the game was... poor, to say at least. Better than software rendering (duh! :) but not playable enough |
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| 20:30.09 | cncfanatics | i'd love an opensource ati driver tbh |
| 20:32.11 | yacoob | wouldn't we all... |
| 20:32.55 | Industrial | wewt |
| 20:32.57 | Industrial | The Rake is mine |
| 20:33.01 | Industrial | all mine |
| 20:33.01 | Industrial | ! |
| 20:33.03 | thalie | heh |
| 20:33.03 | Industrial | hah! |
| 20:33.06 | thalie | grats ;) |
| 20:33.19 | thalie | given up on the priest then indy? :p |
| 20:33.19 | Industrial | wited for 1hr :3 I was nekkid so i couldnt afk |
| 20:33.31 | Industrial | Im playing on US now, thalie |
| 20:33.41 | Industrial | also, this is for a 19 hunter twink |
| 20:33.54 | thalie | so? :) level a priest, we all want to see how clean your ui is in a 40-man raid with a priest |
| 20:33.55 | thalie | hehe |
| 20:34.13 | thalie | grid makes it easier now for sure lol |
| 20:34.23 | yacoob | whack-a-mole? |
| 20:34.40 | thalie | yep, but at least i can see now |
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| 20:37.37 | Kyahx | last ditch effort to get my beta key: call blizzard :P |
| 20:37.46 | thalie | GL |
| 20:38.11 | Kyahx | I expect a "Sorry, we don't handle beta issues, Goodbye" response |
| 20:38.26 | Kyahx | (after being on hold for an hour of course) |
| 20:39.18 | JoshBorke | thalie: what was wrong with PerfectRaid? |
| 20:40.20 | yacoob | it was not leet enough. |
| 20:40.23 | thalie | I found the boxes on praid to be difficult to click on, just a personal thing |
| 20:40.31 | thalie | too small - good for my mage, not for a healing class |
| 20:40.37 | yacoob | thalie, come on, praid is *bigger* |
| 20:40.41 | Kyahx | I have to use Grid more to get an opinion on it |
| 20:40.48 | thalie | just mho, yacoob |
| 20:41.51 | yacoob | sure thing |
| 20:41.56 | yacoob | here as well :D |
| 20:42.04 | cncfanatics | anyone knows any opensource ati driver lying around ? |
| 20:43.03 | kergoth | lying around? |
| 20:43.14 | JoshBorke | nv? |
| 20:43.41 | kergoth | nv != ati |
| 20:44.04 | Neronix | mesa? |
| 20:44.07 | kergoth | the linux kernel has a framebuffer and a dri driver for radeon, and theres an ati driver that comes with xorg. |
| 20:44.10 | kergoth | mesa is software driven |
| 20:44.43 | cncfanatics | need 3d acceleration |
| 20:44.50 | cncfanatics | with decent framerate also |
| 20:44.54 | kergoth | wont happen |
| 20:44.57 | kergoth | get ati's binary driver |
| 20:45.13 | kergoth | 3d perhaps, decent framerate, no |
| 20:45.27 | Kyahx | you could buy a nvidia card to use in linux :P |
| 20:45.35 | Kyahx | since they know how to make a decent driver |
| 20:45.41 | cncfanatics | I'm starting to hate ATI :/ |
| 20:45.45 | Industrial | theres also an open source driver for ati |
| 20:45.48 | kergoth | in which case he has the same situation |
| 20:45.50 | Kyahx | I've always hated ATI |
| 20:45.51 | Industrial | it runs better but less features |
| 20:45.55 | kergoth | the open souce nvidia drivers wont perform decently with 3d either |
| 20:46.05 | cncfanatics | Industrial, decent framerate on wow ? |
| 20:46.07 | Kyahx | No, but the binary nvidia drivers are actually good |
| 20:46.12 | cncfanatics | and if I change any part of my computer I need to change everything |
| 20:46.13 | kergoth | yes, but that isnt what he's asking about |
| 20:46.15 | Industrial | cncfanatics: sorry havent tried that :( |
| 20:46.22 | cncfanatics | link me anyway Industrial |
| 20:46.27 | kergoth | the nvidia binary drivers are superior to the ati binary drivers, and both of their open source drivers suck ass |
| 20:46.28 | Industrial | got a 7900GT now |
| 20:46.30 | kergoth | at least for 3d |
| 20:46.36 | Adrine | I think I've got my profiler to a point that it'll work now. We'll find out tonight :D |
| 20:46.46 | Adrine | As a mix-in that creates a tekSupport module, no less. |
| 20:46.58 | Industrial | searching |
| 20:48.02 | cncfanatics | I need a new comp soon -.- |
| 20:48.11 | Industrial | actually, inquiring somewhere else ^_^ |
| 20:48.26 | Industrial | get a geforce! |
| 20:48.41 | Industrial | cncfanatics: radeon? |
| 20:49.11 | cncfanatics | ye |
| 20:49.14 | cncfanatics | 9600 |
| 20:49.22 | cncfanatics | old shit |
| 20:49.30 | Xuerian | Geforce, oh grief do I miss my geforce |
| 20:49.43 | `-FISKER_Q | bah |
| 20:49.47 | `-FISKER_Q | TBC = Pool's Closed |
| 20:49.47 | `-FISKER_Q | http://img.4chan.org/b/src/1163189818583.jpg |
| 20:49.48 | `-FISKER_Q | ^^ |
| 20:49.49 | `-FISKER_Q | :P |
| 20:49.49 | Xuerian | A year older than my radeon and outperformed it without a doubt |
| 20:50.06 | Fisker | gonna get a 8800 GTX soon |
| 20:50.09 | Fisker | gonna be cool |
| 20:53.00 | cncfanatics | if I change my mem I need a new motherboard, if I get a new motherboard I need new gfx card, and so on |
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| 20:53.02 | Industrial | cncfanatics: negative, doesnt support 3d ;\ |
| 20:53.08 | Industrial | sorry for the false hope :X |
| 20:53.24 | Industrial | i know how it feels (*cough* KEY *cough*) |
| 20:53.40 | yacoob | remove the key from your throat! |
| 20:54.11 | Industrial | heh |
| 20:54.33 | Kyahx | hmmm, maybe calling wasn't a bad idea |
| 20:54.59 | Kyahx | they gave me the e-mail address of the beta billing deparment, and told me to e-mail explaining why I should have a key, and requesting it be re-sent |
| 20:55.12 | JoshBorke | hand it over! |
| 20:55.13 | nymbia | haha, that's pretty awesome |
| 20:55.28 | nymbia | yeah it's a handy email to have for sure. |
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| 20:55.58 | Kyahx | wowbcbilling@blizzard.com |
| 20:56.02 | Industrial | thanks |
| 20:56.03 | Kyahx | don't bomb them too hard :P |
| 20:56.07 | Industrial | *makes a mail* |
| 20:56.16 | JoshBorke | Industrial: make it a form so we can just fill in our names :-D |
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| 20:57.49 | JoshBorke | malreth: tain and tem had a child? |
| 20:57.58 | Tem|AFK | please no |
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| 21:00.43 | ckknight | hey all |
| 21:00.49 | nymbia | hey ck |
| 21:00.52 | thalie | hey ck |
| 21:00.55 | ckknight | I got my USB fixed! |
| 21:00.59 | thalie | grats |
| 21:01.03 | ckknight | what a bitch that was |
| 21:01.06 | nymbia | always good to have |
| 21:01.12 | ckknight | yea, now my mouse works :-) |
| 21:01.16 | Snago | when I'm doing a FuBar plugin I don't need to include the libs that FuBar include, right? |
| 21:01.24 | ckknight | yes you do, Snago |
| 21:01.38 | ckknight | I make no reservations about changing libraries in FuBar |
| 21:01.49 | nymbia | Snago: fubar plugins can operate without fubar loaded as well. |
| 21:01.55 | Snago | ok, but won't they be loaded when my plugin loads as I have FuBar as a dependancy? |
| 21:01.58 | ckknight | I did recently with the AL-2.0 -> AL-2.2 switch |
| 21:02.09 | ckknight | Snago, libraries are only loaded once. |
| 21:02.26 | ckknight | unless you load a greater version, which then upgrades |
| 21:02.27 | Adrine | If your addon's non-FuBar functionality depends on libraries shared with FuBar, then you need to include them. |
| 21:02.41 | Adrine | You don't need to include libs that FuBar uses that you aren't using |
| 21:02.57 | Snago | ok |
| 21:03.07 | Snago | thanks |
| 21:04.25 | ckknight | the answer to your problem is: include every library that you use, even if you depend on addons that use those libraries as well |
| 21:04.32 | mjc | bleh |
| 21:04.36 | ckknight | because the parent's libraries may change |
| 21:04.48 | ckknight | or your libraries may be more up-to-date |
| 21:04.48 | Snago | roger wilco :) |
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| 21:05.03 | Adrine | Question, because I'm still new to this: |
| 21:05.08 | ckknight | Answer. |
| 21:05.10 | Adrine | I have a library, and say it calls "local tablet = AceLibrary("Tablet-2.0")" |
| 21:05.16 | Adrine | What happens if Ace can't find Tablet? |
| 21:05.17 | ckknight | right. |
| 21:05.20 | ckknight | error! |
| 21:05.24 | JoshBorke | gives you an erro |
| 21:05.24 | Adrine | Handled cleanly? |
| 21:05.28 | nymbia | you get an error! |
| 21:05.30 | JoshBorke | no |
| 21:05.32 | ckknight | it gives you a simple error. |
| 21:05.33 | nymbia | nope, ugly-type error |
| 21:05.36 | JoshBorke | it's a big red error box |
| 21:05.40 | ckknight | Cannot find library Tablet-2.0 |
| 21:05.42 | ckknight | which is what you want |
| 21:05.44 | Adrine | Like, a custom Ace exception, or you just get "attempt to index 'tablet', a nil value"? |
| 21:05.48 | ckknight | since you should be including the lib |
| 21:05.48 | Adrine | Oh, ok, good. |
| 21:06.10 | Adrine | That's clean handling as far as I'm concerned :) |
| 21:06.15 | Adrine | silently failing = bad |
| 21:07.59 | Industrial | http://hellsblade.xs4all.nl:88/toblizz |
| 21:08.01 | Industrial | rate that |
| 21:08.21 | Industrial | JoshBorke: dont just fill in your name *slap* they might think its automated (wich in fact, it would be) |
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| 21:08.29 | mjc | wb ckk. |
| 21:08.34 | ckknight_ | blah |
| 21:08.42 | Industrial | ckknight: http://hellsblade.xs4all.nl:88/toblizz rate that :P |
| 21:08.53 | nymbia | industrial: looks good |
| 21:09.14 | ckknight | Industrial, speak to Cairenn. |
| 21:09.18 | thalie | woot we all now know indy's email |
| 21:09.21 | ckknight | she said not to pester Blizzard. |
| 21:09.23 | thalie | set spam to "on" |
| 21:09.34 | Industrial | you already did its called the 'email' button on the forums |
| 21:09.41 | Industrial | :3 |
| 21:09.43 | thalie | ahah |
| 21:09.49 | ckknight | thalie, if you were to do something like that, you wouldn't be welcome in this channel anymore. |
| 21:09.58 | ckknight | we don't take kindly to malevolence |
| 21:10.06 | thalie | i was only joking ck |
| 21:10.15 | ckknight | yea |
| 21:10.17 | ckknight | ;-) |
| 21:10.20 | ckknight | sure you were... |
| 21:10.21 | CIA-17 | 03nevcairiel 07TBC * r16604 10Bartender3/Bartender3/ (Bartender3_BarClass.lua Bartender3_ButtonClass.lua Core.lua): Bartender3: more stuff, safety commit before i break something again :) |
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| 21:10.58 | nymbia | run away screaming, quick! |
| 21:11.14 | ckknight | hey Elkano |
| 21:11.20 | Elkano | ho |
| 21:11.21 | ckknight | now to play WoW |
| 21:11.30 | ckknight | nevcairiel, is BT3 usable? |
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| 21:13.56 | Elkano | Blizzard's "AddOn blocked" message really needs more infos :/ |
| 21:14.37 | ckknight | we could make a mod to make it more descriptive :-P |
| 21:14.39 | yacoob | "Addon blocked. Now shoo." |
| 21:14.49 | yacoob | ckknight, it's crazy, but I like your approach :D |
| 21:15.03 | Grine | and then it gets blocked! oh the irony |
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| 21:15.33 | ckknight | actually the event that fires tells the addon and the function blocked, also, if you run a debugstack, it should provide the exact location. |
| 21:15.36 | GanJa | Does anyone know if you can stop tablet from resizing the window? or set a certain width? |
| 21:16.01 | ckknight | no, not really. |
| 21:16.29 | nevcairiel | ckknight: no, not at all yet, ask again tomorrow |
| 21:16.35 | JoshBorke | Mi|es: ping |
| 21:16.52 | ckknight | nevcairiel, okay. |
| 21:16.54 | ckknight | will do. |
| 21:18.01 | Elkano | and I have most likely found my first bug in BCbeta ^^' |
| 21:18.12 | JoshBorke | Elkano: yay! grats! |
| 21:18.18 | JoshBorke | now use the blizzard feedback UI |
| 21:18.55 | Elkano | @ckknight: would be nice if you could write such a mod... the simple "has been blocked" messages isn't helpfull :/ |
| 21:19.16 | yacoob | blizzard force feedback ui. |
| 21:19.29 | Elkano | JoshBorke, it's UI stuff related to unit frame click casting |
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| 21:20.14 | JoshBorke | oh, the stuff you talked to clad about earlier? |
| 21:20.51 | GanJa | hey ckk, could you point me to the line where in tablet you change the frame's width? I'd like to edit it =) |
| 21:21.07 | ckknight | mmm... no, troll the file for "SetWidth" |
| 21:21.25 | Snago | If I iterate through a table with pairs() (with strings as keys), will it go through the keys in the order I added them? |
| 21:21.33 | Xuerian | Geez. Really did scare Mikey away <.< |
| 21:21.38 | GanJa | been doing that ckk lol |
| 21:21.51 | ckknight | no, Snago |
| 21:21.55 | ckknight | arbitrary order |
| 21:22.13 | Snago | was afraid so :\ |
| 21:22.29 | mjc | I don't know of any language that does arrays in an order... |
| 21:22.34 | Adrine | If you have implicit indices (integers) then it'll do 'em in order |
| 21:22.36 | Xuerian | PHP! >.< |
| 21:22.38 | mjc | unless you want it sorted |
| 21:22.40 | Adrine | Explicit keys makes it a hash, though |
| 21:22.41 | kergoth | its a hash, there is no order |
| 21:22.43 | mjc | Xuerian: indexes only |
| 21:22.47 | kergoth | no, pairs() is never a guaranteed order |
| 21:22.48 | kergoth | even |
| 21:22.48 | Adrine | PHP does do its pseudo-hashes like that. |
| 21:22.49 | kergoth | ever |
| 21:22.54 | kergoth | ipairs() is, for arrays |
| 21:22.57 | JoshBorke | Snago: no |
| 21:23.07 | Adrine | Oh, good to know, kergoth. |
| 21:23.10 | Xuerian | mjc: Lies. all lies. |
| 21:23.13 | Adrine | <-- still quite the Lua noob :) |
| 21:23.14 | Xuerian | Filthy, dirty lies =( |
| 21:23.56 | cncfanatics | bored of configuring this damn kernel |
| 21:23.59 | cncfanatics | time to watch bleach 1.2 |
| 21:24.01 | cncfanatics | 102* |
| 21:24.21 | Snago | thanks for the answers. saved me 15 minutes from trying myself. now I can spend those and think of another way :P |
| 21:24.44 | JoshBorke | Adrine: lua n00b? but HealCap is so wtf awesome |
| 21:25.33 | Adrine | Heh, I'm an experienced programmer, but I don't know the gritty details of the Lua language too intimately yet. |
| 21:27.44 | Industrial | mmmm anime |
| 21:27.48 | Industrial | *away* |
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| 21:29.22 | ckknight | Adrine, those gritty details are fun. |
| 21:31.19 | DrDre | whoa |
| 21:31.22 | DrDre | http://www.thottbot.com/beta?i=14775 |
| 21:31.29 | DrDre | thats pimp |
| 21:31.33 | ckknight | oh well, almost done |
| 21:33.27 | CIA-17 | 03ckknight * r16605 10FuBar/ (FuBar.lua FuBar.toc libs/): FuBar - removed Compost dependency. |
| 21:33.49 | Adrine | ckknight: Definitely. I just tend to get too anxious to start writing code and don't pay close-enough attention to the good stuff. :) |
| 21:34.00 | ckknight | learn metatables |
| 21:34.05 | Adrine | Yeah, that's next on my list |
| 21:34.17 | Adrine | I don't quite understand 'em, but everything I've seen that uses them does sweet stuff. |
| 21:34.35 | JoshBorke | they allow you to define custom actions for different table operations |
| 21:34.44 | ckknight | metatables took me a while to get, and then it just clicked all at once. |
| 21:34.46 | Adrine | Oh, ok, that's easy enough. |
| 21:34.56 | Adrine | "Metatables allow us to change the behavior of a table. For instance, using metatables, we can define how Lua computes the expression a+b, where a and b are tables. Whenever Lua tries to add two tables, it checks whether either of them has a metatable and whether that metatable has an __add field. If Lua finds this field, it calls the corresponding value (the so-called metamethod, which should be a function) to compute the sum." |
| 21:35.19 | JoshBorke | isn't that what i said? |
| 21:35.20 | Adrine | It's basically just operator overloading for tables then? |
| 21:35.27 | JoshBorke | yea, but you can do neat tricks |
| 21:35.27 | kergoth | among other things |
| 21:35.31 | JoshBorke | like make tables read only |
| 21:35.32 | Tain | So uh.. I sort of started maybe doing an Ace2 Visor today. |
| 21:35.37 | yacoob | Meattables. |
| 21:35.42 | kergoth | Tain: hooray |
| 21:35.45 | JoshBorke | purl, hug Tain |
| 21:35.47 | purl | ACTION sneaks up on Tain and suddenly hugs Tain tightly |
| 21:35.47 | Tain | Only for frame modification though, not action buttons. |
| 21:35.57 | Adrine | Very slick. I'll have to tool around with 'em. |
| 21:36.11 | ckknight | yes, Adrine |
| 21:36.14 | ckknight | well, that's part of it |
| 21:36.21 | ckknight | it can also help with GC |
| 21:36.28 | ckknight | but it's primarily operator overloading |
| 21:36.41 | ckknight | and note that lua sees more things as operators than other languages might |
| 21:36.49 | JoshBorke | http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#2.8 |
| 21:36.55 | JoshBorke | ckknight: how do they help with GC? |
| 21:37.05 | ckknight | JoshBorke, __mode = 'k' |
| 21:37.16 | ckknight | such as indexing (so mytable.key may call the metamethod __index) |
| 21:37.28 | Adrine | When I start using a language, I tend to take a more hackerish approach than I probably should. I learn just enough to start using it and then figure out how to do X when I hit a brick wall. |
| 21:37.29 | ckknight | and calling (so mytable(thingy) will call __call) |
| 21:37.54 | JoshBorke | __mode = 'k' makes the key references weak |
| 21:37.58 | ckknight | yes. |
| 21:38.05 | ckknight | which is a GC hack |
| 21:38.08 | JoshBorke | (which i just learned about recently) |
| 21:38.17 | Tain | That's weak. |
| 21:38.24 | ckknight | very handy, though |
| 21:38.31 | cncfanatics | what is a weak reference ? |
| 21:38.33 | JoshBorke | but i don't understand how it's handy |
| 21:38.48 | ckknight | JoshBorke, for making a stack whose objects may be reclaimed |
| 21:38.48 | kergoth | its incredibly handy |
| 21:38.59 | kergoth | useful for holding metadata about objects that automatically goes away when those objects do, for example |
| 21:39.01 | ckknight | local stack = setmetatable({}, {__mode = 'k' }) |
| 21:39.10 | ckknight | stack[{}] = true |
| 21:39.12 | kergoth | or a cache that automatically flushes on gc cycles if the objects it caches are no longer referenced, or.. |
| 21:39.25 | ckknight | also a good use, kergoth |
| 21:39.26 | cncfanatics | so basicly, its handy to throw away a used table ? |
| 21:39.34 | ckknight | yes, cncfanatics |
| 21:39.38 | cncfanatics | handy |
| 21:39.50 | cncfanatics | setmetatable(table, {__mode = 'k'}); ? |
| 21:39.55 | JoshBorke | oh, ok, now i think i see. i was playing with __mode = 'v' |
| 21:40.01 | kergoth | k is key, v is value |
| 21:40.11 | cncfanatics | i'm gonna read about that soon |
| 21:40.17 | cncfanatics | first bleach & kernel recompiling :p |
| 21:40.32 | JoshBorke | but then i can't think of practical ways (in wow) that it is used |
| 21:40.37 | JoshBorke | i need concrete references! |
| 21:40.42 | Adrine | Well, here's one |
| 21:40.55 | Adrine | You have a list of items. When all the items are gone, you want the list holding the items to go away |
| 21:40.58 | kebinusan | cncfanatics: blech fan? |
| 21:41.01 | kebinusan | *bleach |
| 21:41.37 | Adrine | You could compost:Acquire() your list and then populate it, but if you just set mode = 'k' on the list table, then once all the items in the list are collected, the list is collected, too. If I understand this right. |
| 21:41.45 | kergoth | JoshBorke: consider something like compost. in the past at least (i havent read recent code) it kept two caches, a primary cache of fixed size, and a secondary table cache that was weak. |
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| 21:42.12 | Sole | hai |
| 21:42.19 | kergoth | JoshBorke: the weak cache obviously lost its elements on gc, so tables in there were available for reuse only before the next gc cycle, if noboby grabbed it by then, then it gets gc'd |
| 21:42.21 | Gngsk | oh nose |
| 21:42.43 | JoshBorke | kergoth: but how will that work with the incremental gc in TBC? |
| 21:42.57 | ckknight | magically! |
| 21:43.02 | ckknight | some of its elements may go away |
| 21:43.05 | ckknight | some might stay |
| 21:43.08 | kergoth | exactly |
| 21:43.15 | snurre | http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/8238/palladintier5altah5.jpg |
| 21:43.19 | JoshBorke | hm. wait for it, wait for it |
| 21:43.26 | kergoth | but compost isnt likely to be used that often in tbc, so its a moot point, but thats a valid concrete example |
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| 21:43.42 | JoshBorke | snurre: you make me sad |
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| 21:43.54 | snurre | yw |
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| 21:45.14 | ckknight | hrm? |
| 21:45.19 | ckknight | he was banned? |
| 21:45.21 | JoshBorke | ok, that's an easy concrete example to see the usefulness. i guess i just can't come up with any temporary cache needs for me |
| 21:46.04 | CIA-17 | 03fenlis * r16606 10BigWigs/BWL/Chromaggus.lua: BigWigs : Update locals koKR |
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| 21:46.52 | JoshBorke | the idea i wanted to try was to make a table for raid unit information. name->unit lookup basically |
| 21:47.31 | GanJa | why? |
| 21:48.00 | JoshBorke | GanJa: because when scanning the combat log, it'd be nice to know if a name is in your group |
| 21:48.13 | Kyahx | anyone listen to Brand New? |
| 21:48.24 | GanJa | one sec josh... |
| 21:48.33 | JoshBorke | and no, i'm not using RosterLib |
| 21:48.56 | GanJa | ugh what is that pastey site? lol |
| 21:49.25 | Mikma | it's /topic |
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| 21:50.07 | GanJa | http://ace.pastey.net/2327 |
| 21:50.09 | JoshBorke | i was hoping to do if the name was no longer in the raid it would be gc'd |
| 21:50.12 | Ricoo | evening |
| 21:50.12 | JoshBorke | but strings aren't gc'd |
| 21:50.14 | GanJa | try that jodh |
| 21:50.30 | GanJa | josh* |
| 21:50.44 | Ricoo | are there connection problems with svn.wowace.com? |
| 21:51.33 | JoshBorke | GanJa: i don't want to do a full O(N) scan every time i go name->unit |
| 21:51.42 | Grine | discrepancies Xuerian? |
| 21:52.10 | Xuerian | http://nwn2forums.bioware.com/forums/viewtopic.html?topic=516935&forum=109 - read a few, you'll get the idea. |
| 21:52.10 | CIA-17 | 03fenlis * r16607 10EQCompare/ (4 files): EQCompare : Support skin 'oSkin/Skinner' |
| 21:52.27 | Xuerian | (Just scroll down to the numbered list) |
| 21:53.29 | JoshBorke | see, weak tables are useless to me! |
| 21:53.46 | kergoth | for that purpose probably |
| 21:54.08 | JoshBorke | stupid thing never gc's strings :-( |
| 21:54.45 | GanJa | http://ace.pastey.net/2328 ? |
| 21:55.45 | GanJa | problem with a list which is kept like that is when your moving people in the raid or people leave and join the raid |
| 21:56.03 | JoshBorke | GanJa: i know, that's why my current implementation does a mark and sweep |
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| 21:56.33 | GanJa | it has the potential to mess with your list. The updating mechanic for when people leave and join and change fires ALOT so it's kinda impossible not to use alot of CPU that way |
| 21:56.50 | GanJa | which is why I prefer to look for it on the fly in my addons |
| 21:57.21 | JoshBorke | GanJa: set a dirty bit when the group setup changes, update when requested |
| 21:57.46 | GanJa | ckk, I couldn't find how to mess with tablet to make it stay a certain size =( made it like go out of it's frame once lol |
| 21:58.01 | ckknight_ | you're not supposed to mess with it... |
| 21:58.30 | GanJa | that may be so.... but a frame which constantly changes its side is rather annoying |
| 21:58.38 | GanJa | size* |
| 21:59.14 | ckknight_ | now whose fault is that? |
| 21:59.46 | GanJa | the functionality of the lib |
| 22:00.25 | Industrial | its not a fault |
| 22:00.28 | Industrial | its preference |
| 22:00.40 | pastamancer | are we talking about RosterLib? |
| 22:01.08 | GanJa | No, I was talking about Tablet |
| 22:01.26 | JoshBorke | pastamancer: no, we're talking about my own personal version of rosterlib :-P |
| 22:01.36 | GanJa | lol |
| 22:01.45 | pastamancer | JoshBorke: aww, you don't like RosterLib? |
| 22:02.24 | nevcairiel | yay, stances working with secure buttons |
| 22:02.30 | nevcairiel | that was easier then i hoped |
| 22:02.32 | JoshBorke | pastamancer: i want my lib to be a single file |
| 22:02.58 | pastamancer | I'm not sure I follow you. |
| 22:03.11 | JoshBorke | i'm using the functionality in a lib i'm writing |
| 22:03.27 | pastamancer | ah |
| 22:03.40 | pastamancer | you lib should depend on rosterlib then :p |
| 22:04.02 | JoshBorke | =P |
| 22:05.13 | mjc | pastamancer: be nice if grid had an option to hide blizz's unit frames... |
| 22:05.38 | pastamancer | mjc: how so? |
| 22:05.42 | kergoth | i -love- the grid range display via frame alpha |
| 22:05.53 | mjc | pastamancer: I want to use it as a minimal unitframe replacement |
| 22:06.00 | CIA-17 | 03kemayo * r16608 10Quixote/Quixote-1.0/Quixote-1.0.lua: Quixote: Stupid syntax. Grr. |
| 22:06.17 | pastamancer | mjc: hide the blizzard frames yourself :p |
| 22:06.24 | mjc | pastamancer: with what ? |
| 22:06.36 | kergoth | make a little random tidbits addon for your addon set |
| 22:06.38 | pastamancer | visor? |
| 22:06.39 | kergoth | thats what i did |
| 22:06.49 | Kemayo | Yey! WoWI finally accepted my SO's addon! |
| 22:07.14 | mjc | pastamancer: why should I load visor for one thing? grid is a unit frame right? why have two on the screen even? |
| 22:07.29 | mjc | kergoth: that's icky, a unit frame mod should always have an option to hide blizz's frames... |
| 22:08.00 | mjc | pastamancer: will you accept a patch that adds a slash command for it ? |
| 22:08.07 | Mi|es | wtb addon that auto-awnsers ready checks |
| 22:08.24 | pastamancer | mjc: grid isn't intended to replace blizzards frames |
| 22:08.25 | ckknight_ | Kemayo, SO's? |
| 22:08.26 | mjc | Mi|es: that would defeat the point of a ready check |
| 22:08.28 | Kemayo | (They complained because I'm in the beta and they're not. Upon being told that addons were the way to get a key... productivity ensued!) |
| 22:08.33 | Kemayo | Significant Other's. |
| 22:08.34 | Xuerian | pastamancer: But it does very well. |
| 22:08.34 | pastamancer | mjc: hmm, maybe |
| 22:08.37 | kergoth | pastamancer: oh, occasionally i run into a grid bug, usually when i relog while already in a raid, all the groups end up overlapping one another. i see 5 units down, but each block is 8 stacked right on top of one another |
| 22:08.51 | mjc | pastamancer: I'll produce one, if you'll accept it. |
| 22:08.54 | kergoth | pastamancer: it doesnt fix itself until then the next raid update (i.e. someone gets booted or whatever else) |
| 22:09.01 | Kemayo | (It's silly, but I enjoy gender-neutral speech.) |
| 22:09.14 | pastamancer | kergoth: that's strange |
| 22:09.23 | kergoth | yea, i'll screenshot it the next time it happens |
| 22:09.40 | Kemayo | The addon in question being: http://wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=6034 |
| 22:09.41 | kergoth | never happens if i get invited into the raid, only if i'm already in the raid when i reloadui/relog |
| 22:11.25 | kergoth | Kemayo: looks neat |
| 22:12.39 | pastamancer | mjc: make it a grid module |
| 22:12.44 | mjc | sure. |
| 22:12.48 | JoshBorke | bye all |
| 22:12.59 | pastamancer | I'll add it to the 'other peoples modules' page |
| 22:14.29 | Sole | hmm |
| 22:14.38 | Sole | currently theres no way to get translations for BC spells is there? |
| 22:15.25 | Dahn | is there a feature in prat that raises a specific chat frame to the foreground? I'm getting that damn bug where my last tab is always selected when i log in? |
| 22:15.27 | ckknight_ | BabbleSpell? |
| 22:15.30 | ckknight_ | :-P |
| 22:15.38 | Dahn | was going to create a module but figured i'd ask first |
| 22:15.46 | Sole | does it already have the new BC spells ck? |
| 22:16.03 | Sole | thats what Im inquiring about, seeing as Im ready to add them to BS |
| 22:16.23 | kergoth | Dahn: grab the FixMe addon in svn, it fixes some of those bliz bugs |
| 22:16.30 | nevcairiel | stupid question, but is there a switch..case type functionality in lua? |
| 22:16.38 | Dahn | kergoth: thanks, will do |
| 22:17.22 | Sole | ckknight: I take it thats a no |
| 22:17.43 | ckknight | Sole, add em |
| 22:17.52 | Sole | i can add the english ones |
| 22:18.16 | Sole | no need to branch it, right? |
| 22:18.38 | Kemayo | nevcairiel: if/elseif is all we have. |
| 22:18.45 | CIA-17 | 03nevcairiel 07TBC * r16609 10Bartender3/Bartender3/ (Bartender3_BarClass.lua Bartender3_ButtonClass.lua): Bartender3: basic stanceswap, yay |
| 22:18.46 | nevcairiel | thought so |
| 22:18.59 | pastamancer | you can kinda fake a switch/case with a table |
| 22:19.00 | ckknight | Sole, don't branch. |
| 22:19.04 | ckknight | Sole, add to Babble-2.2 |
| 22:19.09 | Vallerius | nevcairiel: you could fake a switch with a table if you really wanted to |
| 22:19.11 | Sole | alrighty |
| 22:19.17 | ckknight | and just add english (and commented-out foreign ones) |
| 22:19.21 | nevcairiel | i dont really want to, its only 3 cases anyway |
| 22:19.25 | nevcairiel | was just wondering |
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| 22:19.56 | Sole | yea Ill let the foreigners figure out their translations ^_^ |
| 22:20.36 | Kemayo | Yeah, an effective substitute is switchtable[case](). |
| 22:20.51 | Kemayo | You could probably even do something metatabley to get a default case... |
| 22:21.03 | pastamancer | kergoth: turn on debugging for GridLayout next time you raid |
| 22:21.28 | kergoth | ah, okay, will do |
| 22:21.38 | pastamancer | it defaults to ChatFrame2 |
| 22:22.17 | pastamancer | you're gonna look for lines like [GridLayout] Placing group groupnumber x y |
| 22:23.18 | ckknight | Sole, that's the point of Babble, really, you add english words, and when foreigners run into problems, they add the correct translations |
| 22:24.04 | Vallerius | is there something like /files set up for TBC addons? |
| 22:26.30 | ckknight | most addons are already TBC-enabled |
| 22:26.41 | ckknight | the ones that have TBC branches are in files. |
| 22:27.53 | Vallerius | ahh, yes. [TBC]. thanks. |
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| 22:29.40 | Xuerian | Vallerius: There was also a TBC compat page on the wiki somewheres. |
| 22:30.24 | Vallerius | Xuerian: yep, i found that. i was just blind and didn't notice the tbc tags in the download area |
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| 22:30.57 | mjc | kergoth: what's your misc fixes thing called |
| 22:31.28 | mjc | and I still have nfi how to use your newish scripts |
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| 22:33.12 | kergoth | okay, i include the standalone libs in teh set, in svn, rather than symlinking or co'ing those independently, but i use a script that automatically goes out and updates them all when i update a given addon |
| 22:33.53 | kergoth | svk co //foo/bar; externalscp bar; # would check out the set, and then search the set for externals, going out and svk cp'ing the standalones if they arent in the set already, and if they are, doing an svk smerge |
| 22:34.07 | nevcairiel | does anyone in here have a warrior in beta ? |
| 22:34.17 | kergoth | alternatively, cd bar/AddOns; addoncp //mirror/wowace/trunk/Foo; would svk cp Foo into the set and copy down all the standalones of its externals as well |
| 22:34.18 | mjc | kergoth: thanks |
| 22:34.50 | kergoth | if you need another similar tool to better meet your needs let me know, most of the code for all these is abstracted out, doing new incarnations is easy |
| 22:34.55 | Adrine | nevcairiel: I will when they copy him over. |
| 22:35.21 | nevcairiel | i might come back to that, i need someone to test stances with BT3 on a warrior |
| 22:35.32 | mjc | kergoth: should I be able to do externalscp AddOns, then ? |
| 22:35.32 | Adrine | I have a rogue, too :8 |
| 22:35.48 | kergoth | mjc: yup |
| 22:35.49 | mjc | or for x in AddOns externalscp $x |
| 22:35.53 | mjc | kergoth: ok, it fails |
| 22:35.53 | nevcairiel | i leveld one to lvl2 and got stealth |
| 22:35.54 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 22:35.59 | kergoth | whats the error? |
| 22:36.03 | mjc | kergoth: querys for depotmap, exits |
| 22:36.05 | mjc | no error. |
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| 22:36.17 | mjc | return 0, too |
| 22:36.35 | kergoth | hrmm, k, let me test it here |
| 22:36.44 | nevcairiel | didnt someone mention that you could copy premades again? |
| 22:36.50 | nevcairiel | still gone for me |
| 22:36.51 | mjc | kergoth: keep in mind all I did was svk co //mirror/kergoth/homefiles/bin |
| 22:36.53 | Tain | Does Locale handle string replacemet functions something like: print(L"The frame %s is valid", frameName) |
| 22:37.50 | mjc | doubt it |
| 22:38.30 | ckknight | Tain, yes. |
| 22:38.36 | ckknight | handles them quite nicely |
| 22:38.42 | ckknight | but it's L["The frame %s is valid"] |
| 22:38.50 | Tain | Yeah |
| 22:38.53 | Tain | Meant that. |
| 22:38.54 | mjc | kergoth: addoncp seems to works |
| 22:41.12 | mjc | work |
| 22:41.38 | mjc | but it doesn't really prove to be any different than svk cp //mirror/wowace/foo //projects/wow/TBC && svk update |
| 22:42.33 | CIA-17 | 03nevcairiel 07TBC * r16610 10Bartender3/Bartender3/ (Bartender3_ButtonClass.lua Core.lua): Bartender3: stances for all classes |
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| 22:43.36 | Xuerian | tain: It's no different than using a string. So if the string fits a string.format/whatever, the L[""] will :)... so long as the translator didn't mes it up. |
| 22:43.45 | kergoth | addoncp traverses externals and copies/updates each external lib as a standalone in the set |
| 22:43.52 | Xuerian | s/different/different effectively/ |
| 22:43.52 | kergoth | there, i checked in a fix for externalscp |
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| 22:45.17 | mjc | kergoth: thanks :) |
| 22:45.44 | kergoth | np, let me know if you have any more issues with it |
| 22:45.58 | Industrial | I added pet happiness, cute! http://imagesocket.com/view/WoWScrnShot_111006_234203a13.jpg |
| 22:46.34 | eternally777 | Is FuBar TBC compat? |
| 22:46.51 | [FH]Birdemani | just got beta key, time to start a whole new UI |
| 22:46.55 | mjc | kergoth: where hte heck is the config thing :p haha. |
| 22:47.19 | Industrial | [FH]Birdemani: good chance to learn making addons |
| 22:47.22 | kergoth | hehe, its in kergsvk/__init__.py currently |
| 22:47.32 | kergoth | need to add more configuration |
| 22:47.33 | [FH]Birdemani | my coding is terrible, you would shoot me |
| 22:47.46 | mjc | oh nm |
| 22:47.47 | mjc | I fixed it |
| 22:47.49 | [FH]Birdemani | i get by with some custom stuff |
| 22:48.00 | [FH]Birdemani | but it would never be worthy of publishing |
| 22:48.01 | mjc | forgot I'm not mirroring dev anymore since nobody's reset my shite since I got my mac pro |
| 22:49.41 | mjc | [fh]birdemani; one of the best ways to improve is to have others look over your code |
| 22:50.57 | Industrial | You got it wrong there. All I need is commitment |
| 22:50.57 | Industrial | and ill help |
| 22:50.57 | Industrial | :p |
| 22:50.57 | Industrial | \o/ |
| 22:52.54 | mjc | brb. |
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| 22:54.57 | mjc | kergoth: svk info is currently broke in svk trunk :P |
| 22:55.04 | kergoth | doh |
| 22:55.18 | mjc | will it work without it ? |
| 22:56.03 | kergoth | doubtful, it uses it to determine the depotpath for a given path, which it then uses with the depotmap to do the svn propget's, since svk propget was so slow |
| 22:56.08 | kergoth | will be good to drop all that |
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| 22:57.22 | mjc | kergoth: well propget doesn't suck anymore |
| 22:57.45 | mjc | kergoth: real 0m0.283s |
| 22:58.27 | kergoth | WOOT |
| 22:58.30 | kergoth | er, woot |
| 22:58.31 | kergoth | damn capslock |
| 23:03.04 | mjc | kergoth: ah, old Data::Hierarchy |
| 23:03.09 | mjc | works now |
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| 23:10.03 | Fudge | Mi|es! |
| 23:10.49 | JoshBork1 | Mi|es: ping |
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| 23:13.11 | CIA-17 | 03eternally777 07TBC * r16611 10SacredBuff/: |
| 23:13.11 | CIA-17 | SacredBuff: |
| 23:13.11 | CIA-17 | * Creating directory for TBC branch |
| 23:15.56 | CIA-17 | 03eternally777 07TBC * r16612 10SacredBuff/SacredBuff/: |
| 23:15.56 | CIA-17 | SacredBuff: |
| 23:15.56 | CIA-17 | * Branching! zomg duck and cover! |
| 23:18.13 | DrDre | is BT3 TBC only or is it ready for use in normal too? |
| 23:19.34 | eternally777 | TBC only afaik |
| 23:20.09 | nevcairiel | only TBC |
| 23:20.16 | nevcairiel | doesnt have anything new anyway |
| 23:20.19 | DrDre | um |
| 23:20.27 | DrDre | DreamChat is bugging WinAceUpdator |
| 23:20.39 | DrDre | if its unchecked it just wont go past it |
| 23:20.42 | nevcairiel | dreamchat is in branches, how can it? |
| 23:20.43 | DrDre | checked* |
| 23:20.58 | DrDre | well its on the trunk in my list O.o |
| 23:21.29 | DrDre | it was first on list so it jus said "Update complete" soon as i said to update ;/ |
| 23:22.04 | DrDre | and idChatFrames is 404'd, i accidently clicked that it seems lol |
| 23:22.14 | DrDre | err |
| 23:22.18 | DrDre | iidChatPlayerNames |
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| 23:22.24 | ckknight | so will it be possible to switch action bars when the target comes in and out of Autoshot range? |
| 23:22.37 | nevcairiel | i suppose so |
| 23:22.48 | ckknight | I'm not sure... |
| 23:22.59 | nevcairiel | you can base the states on nearly everything |
| 23:23.15 | Silviu- | which was the wikipage with working TBC addons ? ;) |
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| 23:23.51 | CIA-17 | 03eternally777 07TBC * r16613 10SacredBuff/SacredBuff/SacredBuff.toc: |
| 23:23.51 | CIA-17 | SacredBuff: |
| 23:23.51 | CIA-17 | * TOC change to 20000 |
| 23:24.28 | nevcairiel | i need some cleaner way of handling like 15 events |
| 23:24.37 | nevcairiel | i should go back to some if elseif onevent function |
| 23:24.58 | JoshBork1 | it's faster than doing the table trick |
| 23:25.18 | nevcairiel | i use AceEvent, and i have one function for every event |
| 23:25.26 | JoshBork1 | oh, yea, ace event... |
| 23:25.34 | nevcairiel | and most of the functions only have one or two lines |
| 23:25.38 | nevcairiel | so its kinda weird :) |
| 23:27.10 | nevcairiel | ckknight: can i make AceEvent pass the event it fired on as the first argument? |
| 23:29.38 | ckknight | no |
| 23:30.03 | ckknight | you can check _G.event, though. |
| 23:31.19 | ckknight | you can't change it, though, cause that'd cause API breakage. |
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| 23:31.51 | nevcairiel | yeah will use the event global |
| 23:32.14 | kergoth | local event = event might be a worthwhile safety precaution at the beginning of the event handler |
| 23:32.15 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:32.30 | nevcairiel | yeah :) |
| 23:32.33 | ckknight | why, kergoth? |
| 23:32.37 | ckknight | I mean, yes, for efficiency |
| 23:32.43 | ckknight | but safety precaution? |
| 23:34.18 | kergoth | from a maintainance standpoint, putting something like that, perhaps with a comment, will ensure that nobody working on the code in the future will inadvertantly modify _G.event |
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| 23:38.43 | nevcairiel | is there any difference in putting ; at the line ends, or not doing that? |
| 23:39.08 | SP|Sorren | personal preference |
| 23:39.17 | cryogen | no difference whatsoever, but Dont Do It(tm) |
| 23:39.22 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 23:39.29 | nevcairiel | no i dont, but i wonder why some do |
| 23:39.39 | Tain | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:39.43 | cryogen | indeed |
| 23:39.46 | Tain | It makes no difference in Lua. |
| 23:39.52 | cryogen | it makes some difference |
| 23:39.54 | SP|Sorren | i always put semicolons out of habit ;o |
| 23:40.00 | cryogen | but mainly no difference at all |
| 23:40.17 | Tain | It makes a difference in about a single obsucre case that doesn't matter. |
| 23:40.19 | cryogen | its only needed, when its needed, to seperate two ambigous statements |
| 23:40.53 | kergoth | i don't think i've ever seen a case where its necessary |
| 23:41.04 | cryogen | there's one or two in PIL |
| 23:41.21 | cryogen | you can more than always refactor the code to make it not necessary |
| 23:43.09 | mjc | kergoth: I think oyu're trying ot use literal spaces or something |
| 23:43.39 | kergoth | ? |
| 23:45.35 | CIA-17 | 03nevcairiel 07TBC * r16614 10Bartender3/Bartender3/ (. Bartender3_ButtonClass.lua): Bartender3: added all events, now it looks and feels good, too! |
| 23:46.16 | nevcairiel | i am just going to assume that blizzard doesnt mind that i reuse most of thei ActionButton code, slightly modified |
| 23:47.19 | Dahn | you'll make slouken mad and he'll stop writing any more UI code in disgust :P |
| 23:48.17 | nevcairiel | one thing i learned in my one month university yet, programmers are lazy, re-use code where they can |
| 23:48.26 | kergoth | ~laziness |
| 23:48.27 | purl | LAZINESS: The quality that makes you go to great effort to reduce overall energy expenditure. It makes you write labor-saving programs that other people will find useful, and document what you wrote so you don't have to answer so many questions about it. Hence, the first great virtue of a programmer. |
| 23:48.57 | nevcairiel | i need a warrior on BC beta |
| 23:49.04 | nevcairiel | with all stances, please :D |
| 23:49.07 | Dahn | i have one! |
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| 23:49.24 | Dahn | and i'm mired in flexbar2 code so need some other buttons to test |
| 23:49.55 | nevcairiel | BT3 cant do much yet, i just want to know if stance changing works for warriors like it should |
| 23:50.06 | Dahn | svn TBC branch? |
| 23:50.13 | nevcairiel | yea |
| 23:50.18 | Dahn | k. will get it now |
| 23:52.36 | CIA-17 | 03jerry 07jerry * r16615 10sRaidFrames/sRaidFrames/sRaidFrames.lua: sRaidFrames (jerry's branch) : Fixed a the horrible bug of the "i" that was two things at once. |
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| 23:53.32 | pastamancer | bah, there's never anyone on in TargetUnit on the US beta servers |
| 23:53.45 | [FH]Birdemani | there will be tonight |
| 23:53.47 | [FH]Birdemani | :) |
| 23:53.48 | Tain | 500 - Internal Server Error at wowace.com |
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| 23:54.55 | Tain | Well since I can't search there, anyone who used Ace1 know if there's some manner of equivilent in Ace2 of self.cmd:report() ? |
| 23:56.46 | haste | Think you have to write that one yourself |
| 23:57.12 | Tain | Yeah was already starting, figured I'd see if anyone knew offhand. |
| 23:59.30 | nymbia | 500 - Internal Server Error :( |
| 23:59.47 | Tain | That's what I said. |
