irclog2html for #wowace on 20061015

`00:00.24`	`CIA-17`	`03ckknight 07TBC * r13948 10Ace2/Ace2/AceLocale-2.0/AceLocale-2.0.lua: AceLocale-2.0 - upgraded for lua 5.1`
`00:00.31`	`Kemayo`	`Ah, okay. :)`
`00:00.50`	`Ghent`	`mjc, have you checked your BIOS for any conflict irq assignments?`
`00:01.11`	`mjc`	`sound card and video card are on the same IRQ at the moment. let me see if I can fix that.`
`00:01.59`	`Wobin`	`bah`
`00:02.08`	`Wobin`	`I overwrote my murlocsound error noise`
`00:02.27`	`kergoth`	`sound and video shouldnt cause a problem when you get io load though`
`00:02.28`	`kergoth`	`hmm`
`00:02.29`	`Tekkub`	`yes ckk, there was good reason, and I got kael's approval :)`
`00:02.32`	`Wobin`	`It was much easier to listen to than the 'fatality'`
`00:02.50`	`ckknight`	`Tekkub, I wasn't meaning to get rid of it, I was just bemused by its presence.`
`00:03.18`	`Tekkub`	`Cide wouldn't put it in CTRA, then we're putting in in something that'll end up in everyone's mods :)`
`00:03.21`	`kergoth`	`Wobin: link? fatality annoys me`
`00:03.23`	`kergoth`	`:P`
`00:03.36`	`mjc`	`kergoth: it happens when I change mp3s while playing wow`
`00:03.41`	`mjc`	`among other times`
`00:03.47`	`mjc`	`sometimes it happens with just wow open`
`00:03.48`	`kergoth`	`ah`
`00:04.10`	`mjc`	`I've had IRQ problems with other boards in the past and they never manifested like this`
`00:05.05`	`kergoth`	`i've seen lots of conflict oddities. usually its seen as an inability to boot at all though, since generally linux and windows can use acpi to rearrange the irqs.. its before they load that it can be a critical issue`
`00:05.07`	`kergoth`	`but shrugs`
`00:05.11`	`mjc`	`now the sound card and my SATA controller are sharing.`
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`00:05.53`	`mjc`	`I was planning on installing amd64 ubuntu to see if it goes away`
`00:06.18`	`kergoth`	`my box used to crash every time i fired up an OE build`
`00:06.20`	`kergoth`	`gotta love heat issues`
`00:06.40`	`ggilbert_`	`I can't blame it`
`00:06.46`	`kergoth`	`hehe`
`00:07.10`	`mjc`	`it seems to be working at the moment`
`00:07.21`	`deci`	`lol`
`00:07.21`	`deci`	`http://rdx-raid.com/`
`00:07.27`	`deci`	`grid > rdx IMO`
`00:07.39`	`ckknight`	`Tekkub, makes sense, and it's reasonably unlikely nowadays that someone doesn't have an Ace2 mod`
`00:07.45`	`[POW]Arjor`	`guys is there an addon which shows how much memory each addon take ?`
`00:07.51`	`ckknight`	`tekSupport, sorta`
`00:08.12`	`mjc`	`warmup and teksupport`
`00:08.26`	`ckknight`	`warmup can be biased against external libs`
`00:09.20`	`BrandX`	`nevcariel: ping`
`00:09.33`	`mjc`	`\o/ emacs is compiled`
`00:10.11`	`Thorgard`	`Awww.`
`00:10.15`	`CIA-17`	`03ckknight 07TBC * r13949 10Ace2/Ace2/AceModuleCore-2.0/AceModuleCore-2.0.lua: AceModuleCore - upgraded to lua 5.1`
`00:10.19`	`Thorgard`	`mjc, why'd you go an do that? :(`
`00:10.20`	`pastamancer`	`mjc: hooray`
`00:10.32`	`mjc`	`Thorgard: cvs updates`
`00:10.43`	`yacoob`	`boo, pinpoint's manual.lua is 0 bytes :(`
`00:10.44`	`Thorgard`	`Everytime someone compiles emacs God kills a developer. :/`
`00:11.42`	`ckknight`	`okay, Ace2 is upgraded, except for AceHook and AceComm`
`00:12.03`	`Xuerian`	`./cheer`
`00:12.59`	`Ghent`	`lol Thorgard`
`00:13.05`	`mjc`	`kergoth: no change`
`00:15.10`	`mjc`	`WOW this one's fast.`
`00:15.31`	Funkeh`	`nice work ckk`
`00:15.44`	`[POW]Arjor`	`is there any / command to show tekSupport. it doesn't show on the fubar?>`
`00:16.49`	`mjc`	`use SupplyAndDemand`
`00:19.14`	`CIA-17`	`03mjc * r13950 10ClosetGnome_OhNoes/ (. ClosetGnome_OhNoes.lua): ClosetGnome_OhNoes: 5% is more reasonable`
`00:20.31`	`[POW]Arjor`	`mjc i've installed it`
`00:20.37`	`[POW]Arjor`	`how to i see the mem usage?`
`00:20.48`	`mjc`	`read the docs`
`00:21.47`	`[POW]Arjor`	`at what folderwtf?`
`00:21.50`	`[POW]Arjor`	`wtf* ?`
`00:22.16`	`mjc`	`wowace.com`
`00:24.56`	`yacoob`	`outfitter -> CG is almost completed. Please tell me there's a keybinding for CG to switch outfits..?`
`00:25.06`	`yacoob`	`and Metamap->Atlas failed.`
`00:25.17`	`Xuerian`	`o_0`
`00:25.37`	`yacoob`	`hm? :)`
`00:25.53`	`Xuerian`	`"Metamap->Atlas failed."`
`00:26.46`	`yacoob`	`Well, I was considering the switch :>`
`00:27.01`	`Xuerian`	`Ah, what decided against it? :p`
`00:27.45`	`yacoob`	`I wanted to go metamap -> atlas(+loot) + yatlas + pinpoint`
`00:28.06`	`yacoob`	`pinpoint doesn't provide much functionality yet, and the whole set takes more memory than metamap`
`00:28.07`	`Xuerian`	`But?`
`00:28.10`	`Xuerian`	`Ah`
`00:28.22`	`kergoth`	`metamap is lighter than it used to be`
`00:28.26`	`kergoth`	`still not exactly small, but..`
`00:28.28`	`Xuerian`	`I'd wait for the new yatlas version and some commits to Pinpoint then try again :)`
`00:28.35`	`kergoth`	`indeed`
`00:28.37`	`yacoob`	`And I'll do that probably :)`
`00:28.56`	`yacoob`	`I ditched some mm modules, BWP was especially fat and leaky :)`
`00:29.57`	`yacoob`	`now for the gnome... really no way of switching outfits from the keyboard?`
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`00:40.36`	`mjc`	`still no change`
`00:44.42`	`yacoob`	`hm, how come CG_switcher doesn't switch back when I unstealth?`
`00:45.19`	`kergoth`	`/home/World of Warcraft/Other$ svk propget svn:externals /wowace/mirror/trunk/AutoBar\|tail -n 2\|head -n 1`
`00:45.19`	`kergoth`	`libs/PT http:`
`00:45.20`	`yacoob`	`aha, hardcoded name`
`00:45.26`	`kergoth`	`http:`
`00:45.28`	`kergoth`	`what a great external`
`00:45.47`	`Tain`	`That sets the entire Internet as an external, kergoth`
`00:45.51`	`kergoth`	`hehe`
`00:45.53`	`Tain`	`Just to cover all bases.`
`00:47.10`	`kergoth`	`yacoob: yea i pestered him about it earlier, its currently just proof of concept code`
`00:47.42`	`yacoob`	`is there function in CG API to "switch back"?`
`00:51.49`	`kergoth`	`ckknight: why does func = "foo" not seem to work in aceoptions tables? its like the default handler isnt self, have to set the handler explicitly`
`00:52.34`	`ckknight`	`that is odd`
`00:52.41`	`ckknight`	`it's not picking up that self is the handler?`
`00:52.58`	`ckknight`	`also: Draenei Hunters start with Crossbows, which I consider pimp.`
`00:53.00`	`kergoth`	`nope, not here anyway`
`00:53.12`	`kergoth`	`hmm`
`00:53.32`	Funkeh`	`hmm, what mod could be spamming my chatbox with "ooc update" every time i go ooc Oo`
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`00:54.08`	`kergoth`	`says option handler "isbgonly" not found, with get="isbgonly" in dgks`
`00:54.22`	`pastamancer`	Funkeh`: I'll bet it's aguf
`00:54.36`	Funkeh`	`hmm`
`00:54.40`	`mjc`	`blah`
`00:54.42`	Funkeh`	`i have that so maybe`
`00:55.06`	Funkeh`	`its lol in AV`
`00:55.12`	Funkeh`	`every time i go ooc ><`
`00:55.19`	`Thorgard`	`Yeah, same here. ;P`
`00:55.25`	`pastamancer`	`ag added some code to mimic the "unit frames can't be moved in combat" stuff that's in TBC`
`00:55.31`	`kergoth`	`ckknight: yep, if i manually set handler = self for that arg, it works fine`
`00:55.37`	`pastamancer`	`so that's probably leftover debug code`
`00:55.38`	Funkeh`	`ahh`
`00:55.51`	Funkeh`	`k ill take a look for it see if i can comment it out`
`00:56.45`	`yacoob`	`so it's back to Outfitter.`
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`00:57.40`	`kergoth`	`biggest annoyance i have with cg is that Mount doesnt revert every slot changed by switching to that set, it reverts to the previous set, which might hvae been a set that only had one slot, not the ones affected by mount..`
`00:57.57`	Funkeh`	`found it`
`00:58.06`	Funkeh`	`function aUF:PLAYER_REGEN_ENABLED()`
`00:58.06`	Funkeh`	`if not UnitAffectingCombat("player") and self.dirtyList == true then`
`00:58.06`	Funkeh`	`print("ooc update")`
`00:58.07`	Funkeh`	`aUF:RAID_ROSTER_UPDATE()`
`00:58.07`	Funkeh`	`self.dirtyList = false`
`00:58.07`	Funkeh`	`else`
`00:58.09`	Funkeh`	`self.dirtyList = false`
`00:58.11`	Funkeh`	`end`
`00:58.13`	Funkeh`	`end`
`00:58.15`	Funkeh`	`spam? :D`
`00:58.27`	`CIA-17`	`03ckknight 07TBC * r13951 10Ace2/Ace2/AceLocale-2.0/AceLocale-2.0.lua: AceLocale - fix typo`
`00:58.28`	`Wobin`	`ps`
`00:58.39`	`Wobin`	`ClosetGnome needs a DemonicRuneSuicidePill option`
`00:59.07`	`CIA-17`	`03ckknight 07TBC * r13952 10Ace2/Ace2/AceEvent-2.0/AceEvent-2.0.lua: AceEvent - fix bugs`
`01:00.25`	`ckknight`	`how is it that the beta EU server is less laggy for me than the normal US one?`
`01:00.27`	`ckknight`	`:-p`
`01:02.50`	`mjc`	`heh`
`01:03.00`	`mjc`	`cause you're in hawaii :P`
`01:04.59`	`Cairenn`	`because it's late at night in EU and they're all heading to bed?`
`01:08.08`	`ckknight`	`I suppose`
`01:08.10`	`haste`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:08.20`	`haste`	`which is the same as server time here`
`01:08.27`	`Galencia`	`probably because the beta eu server is in the us?`
`01:08.41`	`haste`	`that also helps`
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`01:11.25`	`Curney`	`hey guys`
`01:12.13`	`Curney`	`doing some more module work on Prat tonight. i am curious if it is possible to have multiple binding files, like one for each module that has keybindings?`
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`01:13.29`	`mjc`	`more pasues just a lot long between them`
`01:13.55`	`mjc`	`graphical corruption too`
`01:20.59`	`mjc`	`anyone know anything about the 7800GS?`
`01:23.09`	`mjc`	`7900GS rather`
`01:23.10`	`mjc`	`http://anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2835`
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`01:39.02`	`ckknight`	`so you all know, FuBar-compat-1.2 will be discontinued and not shipped with FuBar come WoW 2.0`
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`01:43.45`	`CIA-17`	`03devla 07Devla * r13953 10MountMe/MountMe/:`
`01:43.45`	`CIA-17`	`MountMe (Devla's Branch):`
`01:43.45`	`CIA-17`	`- Added Externals`
`01:45.52`	`mjc`	`ckknight: good`
`01:45.59`	`mjc`	`ckknight: you should break it in SVN now`
`01:46.27`	`mjc`	`like put a "self:Print("1.2 sucks, go away."); end" at the beginning :p`
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`01:50.21`	`ckknight`	`ah, not yet`
`01:54.10`	`mjc`	`http://tyan.com/products/html/thundern4250qe.html`
`01:54.11`	`mjc`	`whoooooo`
`01:54.13`	`mjc`	`sexy box.`
`01:54.23`	`mjc`	`s/box/board/`
`01:54.41`	`CIA-17`	`03devla 07Devla * r13954 10MountMe/MountMe/:`
`01:54.41`	`CIA-17`	`MountMe (Devla's Branch):`
`01:54.41`	`CIA-17`	`- Woops, Externals fix`
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`01:58.21`	`Tekkub`	`go devla go`
`01:59.41`	`mjc`	`I really want that gd board. :(`
`02:00.07`	`mjc`	`supports up to 8 dual core opterons...`
`02:05.15`	`mjc`	`fubar_garbagefu is borked. someone fix it pelase? I have no idea what's going on`
`02:05.34`	`FrodoSare`	`im going on`
`02:05.34`	`FrodoSare`	`lol`
`02:05.35`	`FrodoSare`	`kidding`
`02:07.37`	`Ghent`	`ahhhh`
`02:07.47`	`Ghent`	`one of the best wallpapers ever`
`02:07.48`	`Ghent`	`http://zeroreality.net/snookums/desktop_2006-09-01.jpg`
`02:08.06`	`sare`	`LOL snazzy.`
`02:11.18`	`Industrial`	`Can I do a,b,c = {x,y,z} ?`
`02:11.35`	`Industrial`	`I mean, will that make 3 table links or 3 values :P`
`02:11.38`	`kergoth`	`that would put the table in a`
`02:11.40`	`kergoth`	`and b and c get nil`
`02:11.45`	`Industrial`	`:(`
`02:11.49`	`kergoth`	`a,b,c = 1,2,3 assigns 1 to a, 2 to b, and 3 to c`
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`02:12.36`	`Industrial`	`can I do q={x,y,z} a,b,c=q[1],q[2],q[3]? :D`
`02:12.44`	`Industrial`	`oh ofcource I dan :P`
`02:12.48`	`kergoth`	`:P`
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`02:16.01`	`CIA-17`	`03ckknight 07TBC * r13955 10Ace2/Ace2/AceLibrary/AceLibrary.lua: AceLibrary - fixed bug in pcall`
`02:17.07`	`Industrial`	`oh heres another one`
`02:17.08`	`Industrial`	`local unit`
`02:17.08`	`Industrial`	`if not unit = Frames[sUnit] then return end`
`02:17.29`	`kergoth`	`syntax error`
`02:17.31`	`Industrial`	`will that assign Frames[sUnit] to unit if its true?`
`02:17.36`	`Industrial`	`hm ok`
`02:18.14`	`kergoth`	`unlike C, you cant do assignments in that context`
`02:18.26`	`kergoth`	`Good Thing, considering how common = vs == errors are in that language`
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`02:19.46`	`CIA-17`	`03ckknight * r13956 10SpecialEventsEmbed/SpecialEvents-Aura-2.0/SpecialEvents-Aura-2.0.lua: SpecialEvents-Aura - added missing pairs()`
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`02:23.05`	`ggilbert_`	`kergoth: Don't go to the dark side`
`02:23.17`	`ckknight`	`dark side?`
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`02:30.21`	`DrDre`	`does anyone remember name of saiens old addon like autodestroy or something that auto destroyed whites/greys on loot?`
`02:30.32`	`DrDre`	`i need that again ><`
`02:31.29`	`kergoth`	`DrDre: try garbagefu`
`02:31.35`	`kergoth`	`not automatic, but works well`
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`02:33.31`	`DrDre`	`i was wanting the automatic so i can jus quickly shiftloot everything in rfc :(`
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`02:35.22`	`DrDre`	`http://www.torridreflections.com/wow/ found it there, but i coulda swore Saien made it...`
`02:37.28`	`DrDre`	`ooo i see some other goodies there... common translator will come in handy :)`
`02:39.37`	`ckknight`	`hrm`
`02:39.46`	`ckknight`	`!BugGrabber seems to freeze my BC`
`02:53.42`	`Ghent`	`DrDre, you want LootFilter`
`02:53.48`	`Ghent`	`search on curse for it`
`02:53.59`	`DrDre`	`well i got AD now`
`02:54.03`	`DrDre`	`and it does exactly what i wanted`
`02:55.36`	`Ghent`	`how configurable is it?`
`02:56.41`	`DrDre`	`look on the site lol`
`02:57.17`	`Ghent`	`I'm not interested in it :p`
`02:57.27`	`Ghent`	`lootfilter is pretty configurable, however`
`02:58.01`	`mjc`	`http://www.seagate.com/cda/products/discsales/marketing/detail/0,1081,697,00.html hum`
`02:58.06`	Funkeh`	`nn folks :)`
`02:58.17`	`mjc`	`garbagefu is a better idea than lootfilter`
`02:58.24`	`mjc`	`you throw out a lot of gold worth of greys w/ LF`
`02:58.50`	`DrDre`	`well im not carng for greys to vendor from RFC lol, i need all the inventory room i can for the cloth`
`02:59.18`	`DrDre`	`i feel like im doing the war effort all over again`
`03:00.13`	`mjc`	`DrDre: what cloth`
`03:00.20`	`DrDre`	`linen`
`03:00.23`	`mjc`	`ah`
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`03:00.39`	`mjc`	`well I meant in general`
`03:00.51`	`mjc`	`farm for an hour in EPL and I have 10-15G worth of greys alone`
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`03:01.06`	`DrDre`	`im doing it for goblin rep ;x`
`03:01.10`	`mjc`	`they would've all been destroyed pretty much by lootfilter`
`03:01.16`	`mjc`	`DrDre: haha`
`03:01.19`	`mjc`	`yeah I remember`
`03:01.34`	`DrDre`	`http://fanetworks.net/drdre/bloodsail.png got my hat ;)`
`03:01.42`	`mjc`	`yep`
`03:01.45`	`FroMaster`	`Is there a way to filter Buffs by Class in PerfectRaid?`
`03:02.05`	`deci`	`~whaleslap mjc`
`03:02.10`	`purl`	`ACTION beats mjc upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh`
`03:02.10`	`mjc`	`deci: ?`
`03:04.11`	`deci`	`lol`
`03:04.18`	`mjc`	`what'd I do now`
`03:04.28`	`deci`	`~whalehug mjc`
`03:04.29`	`purl`	`ACTION Persuades a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh to hug mjc`
`03:04.46`	`deci`	`~tryme`
`03:04.47`	`purl`	`ACTION spins the revolver, points it at Zicon and fires. Click.`
`03:05.01`	`deci`	`psh`
`03:05.05`	`deci`	`~tryme`
`03:05.07`	`purl`	`ACTION spins the revolver, points it at deci and fires. BANG!`
`03:05.10`	`mjc`	`http://anandtech.com/casecooling/showdoc.aspx?i=2815&p=8`
`03:05.11`	`deci`	`omg`
`03:05.25`	`Zicon`	`Right. Good morning to you too...`
`03:05.43`	`FroMaster`	`Where is the discussion for PerfectRaid on the web?`
`03:05.54`	`deci`	`lol Zicon`
`03:06.04`	`CIA-17`	`03ckknight 07TBC * r13957 10Ace2/Ace2/AceEvent-2.0/AceEvent-2.0.lua: AceEvent - fixed stack overflow with recursive event triggering`
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`03:11.19`	`alcaras`	`holy crap`
`03:11.29`	`alcaras`	`Feral Druid's Ferocious Bite crits you for 2637.`
`03:11.44`	`CIA-17`	`03ckknight 07TBC * r13958 10Ace2/Ace2/AceEvent-2.0/AceEvent-2.0.lua: AceEvent - fixed scheduling`
`03:11.58`	`Ghent`	`my rogue crits for 3200 :D`
`03:12.00`	`alcaras`	`mt sorry`
`03:13.12`	`DrDre`	`lvl 12's should not be able to stun you guranteed :/`
`03:13.21`	`alcaras`	`i'm a warrior :-/`
`03:13.30`	`alcaras`	`i can't crit plate for over 1.5k, let alone 2.6k`
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`03:14.03`	`DrDre`	`any job could likely die in RFC if you trained too manyof the mobs at end of instance lol`
`03:14.15`	`DrDre`	`i actually died quite a few times on my mage cuz of the damn stuns`
`03:16.14`	`ckknight`	`you know what I hate? !!!Libs has been blockedfrom an action only available to the Blizzard UI.`
`03:16.20`	`ckknight`	`gimme a fucking line number`
`03:16.25`	`ckknight`	`so I can fix it`
`03:16.27`	`ckknight`	`gah`
`03:16.28`	`Arrowmaster`	`lol`
`03:16.43`	`Arrowmaster`	`or maybe filename?`
`03:16.49`	`Azurewrath`	`ah, finally got a beta acc? :)`
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`03:17.02`	`ckknight`	`yea`
`03:17.08`	`ckknight`	`a filename at least`
`03:17.09`	`ckknight`	`oh well`
`03:17.17`	`ckknight`	`I'll install all the standalone libs, I guess`
`03:18.06`	`alcaras`	`ck`
`03:18.10`	`kergoth`	`Ghent: i hate you`
`03:18.15`	`alcaras`	`is !!!Lbis your only enabled addon?`
`03:18.15`	`kergoth`	`my highest crit was 2600 :(`
`03:18.19`	`alcaras`	`b/c it might not even be CK`
`03:18.25`	`alcaras`	`err !!!Libs`
`03:18.29`	`alcaras`	`it might be something else`
`03:18.39`	`alcaras`	`you gotta test 1 by 1`
`03:18.42`	`alcaras`	`it's a pain in the ass :(`
`03:18.45`	`alcaras`	`finding blocked actions, that is`
`03:18.55`	`Industrial`	`anyone here play paladin?`
`03:18.56`	`cladhaire`	`just hook all the protected functions`
`03:18.58`	`cladhaire`	`its not that hard.`
`03:19.04`	`Industrial`	`total crap? http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=qEVu0xstZVbhx0b`
`03:19.32`	`Industrial`	`wich talents do i take first while leveling up`
`03:19.33`	`Industrial`	`:P`
`03:20.34`	`Ghent`	`kergoth, why's that? :P`
`03:22.48`	`Curney_`	`are comments in Bindings.xml the same as in the lua files? with the --? or is it more like html with <--?`
`03:23.48`	`Meiun`	`html style`
`03:24.21`	`CIA-17`	`03tekkub * r13959 10MountMe/ (Libs/ MountMe.toc MountMe.toc): MountMe - Fixed externals (thanks Devla!)`
`03:24.53`	`ckknight`	`<!-- comment -->`
`03:25.13`	`CIA-17`	`03hshh * r13960 10EQCompare/ (EQCompare.lua localization.cn.lua localization.lua):`
`03:25.13`	`CIA-17`	`EQCompare:`
`03:25.13`	`CIA-17`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`03:30.10`	`cr4zyd`	`new mountme gave me a few errors on login and one when i tryed to mount`
`03:32.47`	`Gngsk`	`'not enough lube' ?`
`03:34.10`	`CIA-17`	`03tekkub * r13961 10MountMe/ (MountMe.toc MountMe.toc): MountMe - Gah! Fixing the TOC`
`03:34.21`	`cr4zyd`	`lol`
`03:34.58`	`FroMaster`	`Is there a way to filter Buffs by Class in PerfectRaid?`
`03:35.05`	`Tekkub`	`that should be back to correct`
`03:36.27`	`cr4zyd`	`yeahp`
`03:36.29`	`cr4zyd`	`works like a charm`
`03:36.40`	`cr4zyd`	`actually`
`03:36.55`	`cr4zyd`	`http://ace.pastey.net/1563`
`03:37.52`	`Tekkub`	`gack, damn that devla removed itemswap so it didn't get fixed :P`
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`03:39.32`	`Tekkub`	`bugger, this'll take a few`
`03:39.48`	`cr4zyd`	`oh my`
`03:40.42`	`usz`	`hey guys, I belive I found bug in AceComm 13785`
`03:41.14`	`ckknight`	`oh?`
`03:41.27`	`ckknight`	`FuBar works in TBC, testingplugins now`
`03:41.33`	`usz`	`as it seems it doesnt register CHAT_MSG_ADDON event for GUILD distribution`
`03:42.06`	`ckknight`	`hrm, a lot of people have come up with that error`
`03:42.09`	`ckknight`	`well, that bug`
`03:42.15`	`ckknight`	`okay, I need to fix that`
`03:42.38`	`usz`	`as in line 387 it lacks "or AceComm_registry.GUILD"`
`03:42.52`	`ckknight`	`ah, sweet`
`03:42.55`	`usz`	`for setting addon = true value`
`03:43.19`	`usz`	`after adding that bunch of code, it properly accepts messages from GUILD distribution source`
`03:43.33`	`Tekkub`	`bah, fuckit, time to 2.0 MountMe I guess`
`03:43.38`	`ckknight`	`thanks, usz`
`03:43.53`	`usz`	`seems like pretty simple error, when someone forgot to add it while implementing SendAddonMessage coding`
`03:44.03`	`usz`	`np ^^`
`03:44.13`	`usz`	`just wasted 4h to find it out :)`
`03:44.23`	`CIA-17`	`03ckknight * r13962 10Ace2/AceComm-2.0/AceComm-2.0.lua: AceComm - fixed guild messages (thanks to usz)`
`03:44.58`	`CIA-17`	`03ckknight 07TBC * r13963 10Ace2/Ace2/AceComm-2.0/AceComm-2.0.lua: AceComm - fixed guild messages (thanks to usz)`
`03:45.06`	`ckknight`	`usz, my bad.`
`03:45.07`	`ckknight`	`fixed now`
`03:45.11`	`ckknight`	`thanks for your help`
`03:45.27`	`usz`	`cheers, anyway keep up the good work, coding first Ace2 based addon and i am amazed :)`
`03:45.52`	`ckknight`	`:-)`
`03:46.03`	`ckknight`	`feel free to stick around if you need help/ideas`
`03:47.28`	`usz`	`ow i got ideas ^^ btw Ace2 should get some encryption libs, if it doesnt have already some`
`03:49.41`	`DrDre`	`What exactly would you use encryption for?`
`03:50.29`	`usz`	`transmition ofc, I already implemented TEA encryption algorythm for class channel messages`
`03:50.29`	`FroMaster`	`Is there a way to filter Buffs by Class in PerfectRaid? :) Anyone?`
`03:51.48`	`usz`	`because sometimes you value privacy and want to be sure noone is listening to CHAT_MSG_ADDON mesasges for example`
`03:52.15`	`usz`	`as anyone with little mod coding skills could get access to any transmition ongoing there`
`03:52.29`	`CIA-17`	`03tekkub * r13964 10MountMe/ (Libs/ MountMe.toc MountMe.toc): MountMe - Screw it, don't have time to fix right now, reverting back.`
`03:52.57`	`cr4zyd`	`http://ui.worldofwar.net/ui.php?id=2820 CTRA Spy lol`
`03:58.04`	`CIA-17`	`03curney * r13965 10Prat/ (22 files in 3 dirs):`
`03:58.04`	`CIA-17`	`Prat:`
`03:58.04`	`CIA-17`	`- added svn:keywords 'Revision' property to all files`
`03:58.05`	`CIA-17`	`- added library header to each lua file`
`03:58.05`	`CIA-17`	`- merged all keybindings to the keybindings module`
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`04:00.24`	`CIA-17`	`03devla * r13966 10MountMe/ (Libs/ MountMe.toc):`
`04:00.24`	`CIA-17`	`MountMe:`
`04:00.25`	`CIA-17`	`- Added proper Externals for all modules`
`04:00.25`	`CIA-17`	`- Modified TOC`
`04:02.28`	`CIA-17`	`03curney * r13967 10Prat/modules/ (ChannelSeparator.lua Keybindings.lua): Prat: missed properties on two files (oops)`
`04:05.32`	`CIA-17`	`03devla * r13968 10MountMe/Libs/:`
`04:05.32`	`CIA-17`	`MountMe:`
`04:05.32`	`CIA-17`	`- Doh, Forgot to add /Libs`
`04:10.16`	`ckknight`	`for a quick lua5.1 check:`
`04:10.17`	`ckknight`	`local lua51 = loadstring("return function(...) return ... end") and true or false`
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`04:11.58`	`Ghent`	`usz, securing communications between addons?`
`04:12.28`	`usz`	`more like between clients using same addon, but wanting private transmition`
`04:13.23`	`Ghent`	`so Blizzard couldn't log it plaintext, for example?`
`04:13.42`	`usz`	`ow and i am disappointed with Memoizations in AceComm, as it only matches full strings, what isnt fully specified by API spec on web. I thought all the time it will be matching substrings aswell`
`04:13.51`	`usz`	`yea, thats one good reason too`
`04:13.59`	`usz`	`a) blizzard logging`
`04:14.18`	`ckknight`	`hrm, the reason I didn't want to put it in is because it would take up needed CPU cycles`
`04:14.19`	`usz`	`b) noone registering CHAT_MSG_ADDON wouldnt be able to capture transmition too`
`04:14.26`	`CIA-17`	`03devla * r13969 10MountMe/ (. Libs/):`
`04:14.26`	`CIA-17`	`MountMe:`
`04:14.26`	`CIA-17`	`- Argh, I love externals`
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`04:15.11`	`Ghent`	`usz, what would someone else be able to do with it even if they did hook CHAT_MSG_ADDON?`
`04:16.28`	`usz`	`read it ^^ well, after being in guild for over 1.5 year I know some ppl dont like each other and like to flame others in class channels I implemented, so to prevent something like someone with coding skills, reading up plain text messages, I employeed key based encryption option`
`04:16.38`	`usz`	`its more like politics ^^`
`04:16.45`	`usz`	`you want to prevent bad thing happen`
`04:17.09`	`Ghent`	`or you could tell them to grow up :p`
`04:17.15`	`usz`	`also I like the concept when you can be certain blizzard wont pull some things from chat log from you`
`04:17.27`	`usz`	`well... you know some things aint so simple :)`
`04:18.13`	`Ghent`	`well, since everyone involved in the 'secure' conversation would need the mod installed, wouldn't it just be simpler and more secure to just not have the conversation over Blizzard's client?`
`04:18.42`	`usz`	`the trick is that i implemented it in required dkp addon ^^`
`04:18.52`	`usz`	`so solved problem that everyone needs addon for it :)`
`04:19.02`	`Ghent`	`it's not a problem persay`
`04:19.22`	`usz`	`well, lets say, its not needed, but its fun to have`
`04:19.29`	`Ghent`	`but one might think it wiser to just have the conversation(s) through a medium that blizzard can't track nor control in the first place`
`04:19.57`	`mjc`	`https://secure.newegg.com/NewVersion/Wishlist/PublicWishDetail.asp?WishListNumber=4271568&WishListTitle=New+Machine`
`04:20.00`	`usz`	`ofc we got forums etc, still like i just said, its fun to have and play with`
`04:20.30`	`mjc`	`comments please.`
`04:21.09`	`CIA-17`	`03ckknight * r13970 10/branches/FuBar_PerformanceFu/ (. TBC/): FuBar_PerformanceFu - preparing TBC branch`
`04:21.31`	`Ghent`	`you want SCSI over SATA?`
`04:21.39`	`CIA-17`	`03ckknight 07TBC * r13971 10FuBar_PerformanceFu/FuBar_PerformanceFu/: FuBar_PerformanceFu - branching for TBC`
`04:21.45`	`usz`	`SAS not SCSI ^^`
`04:21.46`	`mjc`	`Ghent: yes`
`04:21.52`	`mjc`	`SAS > SATA by a lot`
`04:22.06`	`mjc`	`3.8ms write.`
`04:22.09`	`Ghent`	`for access speed sure`
`04:22.19`	`Ghent`	`but you're losing a lot of bang-for-buck on space`
`04:22.21`	`usz`	`SAS is good as system drive`
`04:22.26`	`mjc`	`I have 2x500GB SATA already for storage.`
`04:22.29`	`Ghent`	`ah`
`04:22.31`	`usz`	`still for data you would like more SATA drives`
`04:22.34`	`Ghent`	`no mobo?`
`04:22.58`	`usz`	`anyway as its 6:20 am i gonna get some sleep`
`04:23.05`	`CIA-17`	`03ckknight 07TBC * r13972 10FuBar_PerformanceFu/FuBar_PerformanceFu/FuBar_PerformanceFu.toc: FuBar_PerformanceFu - updated toc to 20000`
`04:23.20`	`Ghent`	`mjc, aside from checking the dB on both the drive and the PSU, looks nice`
`04:23.31`	`usz`	`nn guys, will be back if i find more bugs/have some other ideas ^^`
`04:23.46`	`mjc`	`Ghent: they're loud. I don't give a shit`
`04:23.56`	`Ghent`	`kk :P`
`04:23.58`	`*** part/#wowace usz (n=usz@chello087206143020.chello.pl)`
`04:23.59`	`Ghent`	`I <3 thermaltake`
`04:24.09`	`Ghent`	`they usually do a decent/good job at keeping the vibrations down`
`04:24.44`	`Ghent`	`have you used fujitsu drives before?`
`04:25.34`	`mjc`	`yep`
`04:25.36`	`pastamancer`	`fujitsu makes nice 2.5" drives, that's what I buy for my blade servers`
`04:25.46`	`Ghent`	`I've never had the opportunity myself`
`04:25.47`	`Azurewrath`	`mhm.. if you want a fast SATA Drive, go for a WD Raptor :)`
`04:25.53`	`Ghent`	`I've always wondered how their drives are`
`04:26.00`	`mjc`	`Azurewrath: compared to this drive, the raptor is a fucking snail :)`
`04:26.05`	`pastamancer`	`I'd still stay away from hitachi`
`04:26.08`	`mjc`	`fucking snail.`
`04:26.34`	`Ghent`	`15k RPM, how's the case on heat management?`
`04:26.36`	`Azurewrath`	`mjc: hehe ok.. SAS is another league.. sadly soooo expensive`
`04:26.47`	`mjc`	`Ghent: very good reviews`
`04:26.53`	`Azurewrath`	`but i like my raptor :)`
`04:27.06`	`mjc`	`Azurewrath: the 150GB raptor is more expensive than this SAS drive`
`04:27.19`	`mjc`	`and i'm only using 10GB on my current OS drive, which is 150GB.`
`04:27.26`	`mjc`	`so.... a 150GB drive would be a complete waste`
`04:27.34`	`Azurewrath`	`i'm using the 74gb drive.. WD740GD.. since 1,5 years or so`
`04:27.38`	`Ghent`	`I never use more than 10-15G on my OS drive either`
`04:28.04`	`Azurewrath`	`ya, 10gig system partition.. rest is for apps+games.. everything else is on the large storage disks`
`04:28.06`	`mjc`	`Azurewrath: this drive is almost four times the throughput and 1/4 the access time of the 74GB one`
`04:28.19`	`Azurewrath`	`mjc: sounds nice :)`
`04:28.29`	`Ghent`	`it is nice :p`
`04:28.53`	`tekkub`	`I find 20GB to be the sweet spot for OS drives really`
`04:29.01`	`Ghent`	`if I had the money to spend, I'll pop in another 2G of RAM`
`04:29.05`	`tekkub`	`anything bigger should be dedicated data drive`
`04:29.14`	`kergoth`	`i'm gonna pick up 4 36 gig 15k rpm cheetahs, ultra320 scsi, raid 0, for my os drive and development area. have the controller, just need the drives`
`04:29.37`	`Azurewrath`	`kergoth: haha.. raid0 with 4 drives?`
`04:29.44`	`Ghent`	`no`
`04:29.45`	`CIA-17`	`03devla * r13973 10MountMe/ (. Libs/):`
`04:29.45`	`CIA-17`	`MountMe:`
`04:29.45`	`CIA-17`	`- Tested and working now, I swear`
`04:29.50`	`Azurewrath`	`one headcrash.. bam, everythings gone :)`
`04:29.51`	`kergoth`	`yes, and?`
`04:30.05`	`Azurewrath`	`go for raid10 or raid5/6 :)`
`04:30.06`	`kergoth`	`might switch to using a seperate parity drive`
`04:30.10`	`kergoth`	`not bothering with mirroring`
`04:30.12`	`kergoth`	`too pricey`
`04:30.30`	`Ghent`	`raid0 is mirroring :o`
`04:30.34`	`kergoth`	`no, it isnt.`
`04:30.37`	`kergoth`	`raid0 is striping`
`04:30.40`	`Azurewrath`	`raid1 is mirroring.`
`04:30.41`	`pastamancer`	`oh, is this for a gaming system?`
`04:30.41`	`kergoth`	`raid1 is mirroring`
`04:31.02`	`Ghent`	`:O wow, do I have my numbers backwards?`
`04:31.39`	`Ghent`	`wow, I am`
`04:31.45`	`Ghent`	`fuck I hatge working for verizon`
`04:31.53`	`Ghent`	`s/ge/e`
`04:32.15`	`Azurewrath`	`hehe`
`04:33.03`	`Ghent`	`verizon raid5's everything regardless of whether it's the best option for whatever's being raided`
`04:33.16`	`Ghent`	`6 years of that and I've forgotten everything else :\`
`04:33.32`	`Azurewrath`	`mhm.. just decided i need some serious fibre channel storage system for my gaming machine.. anyone want's to sponsor? :p`
`04:33.53`	`kergoth`	`hehe`
`04:34.01`	`Ghent`	`are you sure disk i/o is where your bottleneck is? :D`
`04:34.14`	`Ghent`	`kergoth, do you hate me because of my rogue (earlier)?`
`04:34.17`	`kergoth`	`disk i/o is -definately- my bottleneck`
`04:34.22`	`Azurewrath`	`ah well.. kinda`
`04:34.23`	`Ghent`	`definitely mine too`
`04:34.23`	`kergoth`	`Ghent: yes, envious :)`
`04:34.31`	`Ghent`	`though I could use a better cpu as well`
`04:34.35`	`Azurewrath`	`disk i/o is THE bottleneck in fast machines these days`
`04:34.36`	`Ghent`	`kergoth, :D`
`04:34.55`	`kergoth`	`i'm using an athlon 64 x2 am2 with 2 gigs of ram, and -one- 10k rpm scsi drive`
`04:34.58`	`Azurewrath`	`cpu is fine for me... and 2gig ram is enough for most end-user thingies`
`04:34.58`	`kergoth`	`definatley disk bottleneck`
`04:35.10`	`kergoth`	`only one disk isnt enough, especially given how much i multitask`
`04:35.24`	`Azurewrath`	`kergoth: X2 4600+ here.. 2gig ram, raptor+storage disks..`
`04:35.28`	`kergoth`	`nice`
`04:35.48`	`CIA-17`	`03curney * r13974 10Prat/modules/ChannelSeparator.lua: Prat: fixed typeo in ChannelSeparator.lua`
`04:36.15`	`Azurewrath`	`kergoth: ever thought about buying one of these ram-disk devices? ;)`
`04:36.22`	`CIA-17`	`03ckknight * r13975 10SpecialEventsEmbed/SpecialEvents-Aura-2.0/SpecialEvents-Aura-2.0.lua: SpecialEvents-Aura - fixed setn`
`04:36.35`	`Azurewrath`	`~10gig at the speed of ram.. yummi`
`04:36.43`	`kergoth`	`i get 3 or 4 compiles going with wow running, some of those compiles involving extracting/patching of numerous sources before the compile... yeah, needless to say, can feel it lurch due to the disk`
`04:36.49`	`kergoth`	`hehe, i've thought about it.. drooled..`
`04:36.56`	`Ghent`	`kergoth, oh no doubt`
`04:37.13`	`Ghent`	`all that jumping around in the seek time has to be nasty while playing`
`04:37.50`	`kergoth`	`exactly`
`04:38.59`	`pastamancer`	`perhaps you should just get another computer to do your compiling on :p`
`04:39.34`	`kergoth`	`pfft, crazy talk ;)`
`04:39.43`	`ggilbert_`	`actually`
`04:39.45`	`ggilbert_`	`want one?`
`04:40.36`	`kergoth`	`working remotely, even across a lan, gets tiresome at times. ssh's can get laggy, and you hav eto deal with copying things across the network if you need to test the results of the build at times, depending on what you're building`
`04:42.45`	`Azurewrath`	`remote is fine for some administrative tasks.. server boxes and stuff.. but not for "active" work imo..`
`04:42.58`	`Azurewrath`	`even a gbit lan can't replace a local workstation..`
`04:43.04`	`tekkub`	`I'll "active" you`
`04:43.21`	`Azurewrath`	`you do?`
`04:43.53`	`kergoth`	`agreed`
`04:44.06`	`kergoth`	`remote sysadmin isnt bad, unless you need to reboot it, and even then with the right equipment you're fine`
`04:44.16`	`kergoth`	`but for a workstation for coding and builds and testing.. blech`
`04:44.25`	`Ghent`	`remote administration is my job :P`
`04:44.51`	`Azurewrath`	`i use UltraVNC for remote administration.. if theres no special hardware avaible`
`04:44.54`	`kergoth`	`i dabbled in admin, but most of my experience with it was supporting folks using Digi products for console servers and such`
`04:45.09`	`kergoth`	`since i worked tech support for them ("digiboard".. the old serial stuff)`
`04:45.22`	`Ghent`	`we still use those at verizon`
`04:45.34`	`pastamancer`	`what are you working on that you need ridiculously fast access when doing dev work?`
`04:45.48`	`pastamancer`	`<3 digiboard`
`04:45.57`	`kergoth`	`it isnt a matter of needing ridiculously fast access, its a matter of reducing development overhead`
`04:46.12`	`kergoth`	`even a small delay of having to scp a test firmware image back and forth results in huge amounts of time wasted over time`
`04:46.32`	`Ghent`	`I always wanted to get into embedding`
`04:47.02`	`Ghent`	`unfortunately my coding skills aren't up to snuff since I spend 90% of my time doing administration`
`04:47.08`	`pastamancer`	`ah, I'd be tempted to keep the source files on a network share and then run make from the server the files actually live in`
`04:47.24`	`sbu`	`uhm lol`
`04:47.28`	`sbu`	`enemy spellcast in TCB!?!?`
`04:48.49`	`ggilbert_`	`the spellcast bar? That's pretty cool`
`04:48.51`	`alcaras`	`yes`
`04:48.53`	`alcaras`	`default ui`
`04:48.57`	`ggilbert_`	`also does target of target`
`04:50.07`	`sbu`	`mh looks like you can see spellcast bar(s?) with v display`
`04:50.49`	`ggilbert_`	`the default UI is still painful though :p`
`04:50.59`	`alcaras`	`sergio, i can't PM you b/c i'm not registered :p`
`04:51.14`	`deci`	`register slacker!`
`04:51.19`	`deci`	`takes like 3.25 seconds`
`04:51.22`	`alcaras`	`where how?`
`04:51.24`	`deci`	`typing with one hand`
`04:51.27`	`deci`	`uphill both ways`
`04:51.52`	`deci`	`[freenode-info] if you need to send private messages, please register: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg`
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`05:05.29`	`Josh_Borke`	`line 387 of AceComm-2.0.lua needs to include AceComm_registry.GUILD or something along those lines. guild doesn't work with AceComm :(`
`05:06.21`	`Ghent`	`Josh_Borke, I believe it was fixed a few hours ago`
`05:06.21`	`Ghent`	`you may need to update`
`05:06.21`	`Josh_Borke`	`k, thanks :)`
`05:06.24`	`Josh_Borke`	`actually using AceComm has helped me find bugs :D`
`05:07.53`	`ckknight`	`Josh_Borke, already fixed.`
`05:08.03`	`Josh_Borke`	`who pointed it out? ^_^`
`05:08.07`	`ckknight`	`usz`
`05:08.11`	`ckknight`	`I'm now updating AceComm for lua 5.1`
`05:08.54`	`Josh_Borke`	`cool`
`05:09.29`	`Ghent`	`ckknight, usz logged awhile ago`
`05:09.44`	`ckknight`	`yes, I know, I was telling Josh_Borke that usz pointed it out.`
`05:10.12`	`ckknight`	`woot, I got it so now receive tables for AceComm can be infinitely deep ;-)`
`05:10.25`	`Josh_Borke`	`woot!`
`05:11.27`	`ckknight`	`e.g. OnCommReceive = { THROW = { ROCK = function(...) end } }`
`05:11.31`	`ckknight`	`for example`
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`05:12.16`	`Josh_Borke`	`cool`
`05:12.27`	`alcaras`	`where can i find wowace branches online?`
`05:12.36`	`Josh_Borke`	`ckknight: what happens if a string >65536 gets passed to AceComm?`
`05:12.45`	`ckknight`	`the sky falls`
`05:14.41`	`Josh_Borke`	`does AceComm handle passing nils?`
`05:15.14`	`ckknight`	`yes.`
`05:17.11`	`Josh_Borke`	`hrm. if one of the paramenters is nil, none of the parameters get filled :(`
`05:18.51`	`ckknight`	`hrm`
`05:18.58`	`ckknight`	`I need an example.`
`05:19.34`	`chuckg`	`Anyone use tortoiseSVN?`
`05:20.08`	`CIA-17`	`03ckknight 07TBC * r13976 10FuBar_PerformanceFu/FuBar_PerformanceFu/PerformanceFu.lua: FuBar_PerformanceFu - fixes, no longer warns on GC, no longer keeps track of GC.`
`05:20.17`	`ckknight`	`I do, chuckg`
`05:20.22`	`chuckg`	`Does it lag up the system at all?`
`05:20.27`	`chuckg`	`Or have any noticeable effect?`
`05:20.29`	`Josh_Borke`	`ckknight: also, can you not send something like: {'blah'},nil,'hehe'`
`05:20.40`	`ckknight`	`yes, Josh_Borke`
`05:21.16`	`Thorgard`	`chuckg, I haven't noticed any system lag or slowdowns at all.`
`05:21.40`	`ckknight`	`technically, by having all the .svn folders and files in them, it'll slow down the loading process`
`05:21.42`	`ckknight`	`but not by much`
`05:22.05`	`chuckg`	`Seems like it's the only app that runs smoothly, RapidSVN is slower than dog manure.`
`05:22.08`	`Josh_Borke`	`wait, what do these lines do? if a2 == nil and type(a1) ~= "table" then message = a1 else <blah> end?`
`05:22.50`	`ckknight`	`Josh_Borke, oh, hrm, that would cause your problem`
`05:23.37`	`ckknight`	`lemme look into that`
`05:23.38`	`ckknight`	`hang on`
`05:23.57`	`ckknight`	`Josh_Borke, ah, I know`
`05:24.13`	`ckknight`	`basically, if you have one value and one value only, it won't tablize.`
`05:24.27`	`Josh_Borke`	`blah! that's why nothing got sent!`
`05:24.31`	`ckknight`	`I'll fix`
`05:24.39`	`Josh_Borke`	`lol, i had the second arg as nil :D`
`05:24.53`	`Josh_Borke`	`i can rearrange my vars, it's no big deal`
`05:25.12`	`ckknight`	`yea, that'd be easier`
`05:25.17`	`ckknight`	`it'll be fixed with lua 5.1`
`05:25.18`	`ckknight`	`;-)`
`05:25.34`	`Josh_Borke`	`you'll use ...? or what?`
`05:27.19`	`ckknight`	`yea`
`05:27.28`	`ckknight`	`so it'll check the length of ...`
`05:27.32`	`ckknight`	`instead of a value in ...`
`05:27.41`	`Josh_Borke`	`ah, cool`
`05:28.44`	`ckknight`	`also, you'll be able to send more than 20 values`
`05:28.47`	`ckknight`	`however unlikely`
`05:28.52`	`ckknight`	`it'll also be faster and more efficient`
`05:29.10`	`Josh_Borke`	`BAH! stupid _getfenv(0) borke wowbench :(`
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`05:29.56`	`ckknight`	`hrm?`
`05:30.10`	`Josh_Borke`	`when trying to run more than one person being logged in`
`05:30.58`	`ckknight`	`ah.`
`05:32.04`	`Josh_Borke`	`oh well`
`05:32.11`	`Josh_Borke`	`i'll figure something out`
`05:32.16`	`Josh_Borke`	`it's time for bed though`
`05:32.18`	`Josh_Borke`	`nn all`
`05:52.37`	`Industrial`	`Anyone seen Sousei no Aquarion ?`
`05:52.48`	`CIA-17`	`03ckknight 07TBC * r13977 10Ace2/Ace2/AceComm-2.0/AceComm-2.0.lua: AceComm - updated for lua 5.1`
`05:52.52`	`Industrial`	`07/26 atm :P`
`05:52.54`	`ckknight`	`okay`
`05:53.03`	`ckknight`	`AceComm for 5.1 should be more optimized`
`05:53.20`	`ckknight`	`and it also takes advantage of the incremental GC, by not using a compost heap`
`05:53.39`	`ckknight`	`so if you receive a table, you can use that table ad infinitum without worrying that it'll be reclaimed`
`05:53.55`	`ckknight`	`it does properly use temporary recyclable tables, though`
`05:53.58`	`ckknight`	`just not everywhere`
`05:54.07`	`ckknight`	`everywhere where it's useful and fast, though`
`05:54.33`	`kergoth`	`nice`
`05:55.02`	`ckknight`	`it does it in specific places, though, just not with a heap`
`05:55.42`	`ckknight`	`I've basically made that throughout all of Ace2`
`05:55.49`	`ckknight`	`all that's left is AceHook`
`05:55.54`	`ckknight`	`but that has its own issues`
`05:56.21`	`ckknight`	`and I want to make AceHook-2.1 and AceLocale-2.2 for the WoW 2.0 release`
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`05:57.21`	`ckknight`	`anyone have any comments?`
`05:58.16`	`Kebinusan`	`have fun?`
`05:58.26`	`ckknight`	`:-P`
`05:58.31`	`Kebinusan`	`will AceLocale 2.2 spawn a 2.3 and another locale war :-P`
`05:58.38`	`ckknight`	`no`
`05:58.43`	`ckknight`	`just no.`
`05:58.46`	`Kebinusan`	`heh`
`05:59.16`	`ckknight`	`AceLocale-2.2 will basically be AceLocale-2.0 but with a lot of the cruft taken out, such as special multi-tiered access`
`05:59.32`	`ckknight`	`which is unnecessary`
`05:59.44`	`ckknight`	`so it's changing its major version for a legitimate API change`
`06:00.16`	`Ghent`	`I say hell with that`
`06:00.21`	`ckknight`	`and so will AceHook, which'll add a few methods and change self.hooks.Func.orig() to self.hooks.Func()`
`06:00.24`	`Ghent`	`if it doesn't incite a war it's just not worth doing`
`06:00.37`	`ckknight`	`...`
`06:00.44`	`ckknight`	`I don't want an internal conflict`
`06:00.45`	`Ghent`	`:P`
`06:01.05`	`Ghent`	`I know, I was just being facetious :P`
`06:01.11`	`ckknight`	`AceHook-2.1 will add :SecureHook, and :Hook will raise an error if you try to hook a secure function`
`06:01.27`	`ckknight`	`outside of that and getting rid of .orig, it's probably not changing`
`06:02.32`	`ckknight`	`I can't think of any other libraries that need an overhaul`
`06:02.41`	`ckknight`	`well, that would break API`
`06:14.22`	`PProvost`	`We should figure out how to mirror the wowwiki API content on our wiki. I'm sick of theirs going down when I need it. :)`
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`06:15.41`	`Ghent`	`wget ftw`
`06:15.59`	`PProvost`	`No shit...`
`06:16.37`	`PProvost`	`When it comes back up, I just might have to do that.`
`06:18.55`	`cncfanatics`	`yo all :)`
`06:19.16`	`ckknight`	`hey cncfanatics`
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`06:19.35`	`ckknight`	`cncfanatics, got all of Ace2 (except AceHook) upgraded`
`06:20.18`	`cncfanatics`	`AceHook needs some support for hooksecurefunc :`
`06:20.26`	`cncfanatics`	`I can't use it atm cuz of that`
`06:20.32`	`ckknight`	`yea, I know`
`06:20.36`	`ckknight`	`AceHook-2.1`
`06:20.50`	`ckknight`	`I'm asking for an issecure function, to check if a function is secure`
`06:20.56`	`ckknight`	`thus preventing normal hooks on it.`
`06:21.46`	`cncfanatics`	`just updated my externals, what are the changes btw ?`
`06:21.58`	`ckknight`	`Ace2 is in branches, just use it as a standalone lib`
`06:22.06`	`ckknight`	`no real changes, just optimizations`
`06:22.12`	`ckknight`	`and it doesn't work in lua 5.0`
`06:22.20`	`ckknight`	`so backwards-incompatible changes`
`06:22.32`	`ckknight`	`also, I upgraded PerformanceFu for lua 5.1`
`06:23.06`	`cncfanatics`	`hmmmm, url to checkout ?`
`06:23.21`	`ckknight`	`in branches`
`06:23.28`	`cncfanatics`	`k`
`06:23.36`	`ckknight`	`http://svn.wowace.com/wowace/branches/Ace2/TBC/Ace2/`
`06:23.39`	`ckknight`	`http://svn.wowace.com/wowace/branches/FuBar_PerformanceFu/TBC/FuBar_PerformanceFu/`
`06:23.43`	`ckknight`	`that's all I've done thus far`
`06:23.59`	`cncfanatics`	`Fubar works out of the box with tbc ?`
`06:24.02`	`ckknight`	`I don't expect to make too many branches, most of my libs will support WoW 1.12 and WoW 2.0`
`06:24.07`	`ckknight`	`cncfanatics, you just have to change the TOC`
`06:24.10`	`ckknight`	`otherwise, yes`
`06:24.13`	`cncfanatics`	`:)`
`06:25.25`	`cncfanatics`	`the tbc version is going to trunk as TBC goes live I supose ?`
`06:25.42`	`ckknight`	`yes.`
`06:25.58`	`ckknight`	`also, FuBar-compat-1.2 will no longer be supported or shipped then`
`06:26.27`	`ckknight`	`also, I think (personally, feel free to disagree), that the SVN should be cleaned up, Ace1 mods quarantined and such`
`06:26.33`	`cncfanatics`	`btw ckknight, cld u add this note to ur post in the 2.0.0 changes list:`
`06:26.38`	`cncfanatics`	`Frame:GetPoint(); makes WoW crash if you are calling it on a dynamicly created frame thats is being or just got dragged (didnt try with frames created from XML)`
`06:27.20`	`Gngsk`	`yea, I've seen that`
`06:28.00`	`ckknight`	`I asked for issecure(function) on the list`
`06:28.03`	`cncfanatics`	`anoying as hell`
`06:28.04`	`ckknight`	`hopefully it'll be looked at`
`06:28.10`	`cncfanatics`	`also add another note please`
`06:28.18`	`ckknight`	`what's that?`
`06:28.21`	`cncfanatics`	`as i'm currently hooking on a function totaly not made for that:`
`06:28.35`	`cncfanatics`	`A way to support clicking while there is an action on your cursor`
`06:28.57`	`cncfanatics`	`the default UI will then switch the actions on the cursor & on ur actionbar without activating the spell`
`06:29.05`	`cncfanatics`	`there's no way for addons to do that directly`
`06:29.06`	`ckknight`	`what do you mean?`
`06:29.24`	`cncfanatics`	`drag an action off a button, then release the button u clicked`
`06:29.34`	`cncfanatics`	`now while the action is on ur cursor, click on another actionbutton`
`06:29.47`	`cncfanatics`	`that'll make the action on ur cursor & the one on the actionbutton switch right ?`
`06:29.59`	`ckknight`	`I don't know :-(`
`06:30.14`	`cncfanatics`	`well, it will :p and there's no way for addons to do that directly`
`06:30.23`	`cncfanatics`	`except with some ridiculously complicated hooking`
`06:31.18`	`ckknight`	`come up with an easy to follow, coherent note, and I'll post it ;-)`
`06:31.35`	`cncfanatics`	`hehe, kinda difficult to explain :p`
`06:31.42`	`CIA-17`	`03ckknight 07TBC * r13978 10Ace2/Ace2/AceTab-2.0/AceTab-2.0.lua: AceTab - added missing pairs()`
`06:31.53`	`Thorgard`	`Make a slideshow presentation. ;P`
`06:32.23`	`Thorgard`	`Also suggest that you should be able to 'touch base'.`
`06:34.40`	`Thorgard`	`Damnit, Jim! That's sexual harrassment!`
`06:34.48`	`Thorgard`	`/sues`
`06:35.15`	`ckknight`	`does the blizzard interface extrator work on the beta?`
`06:35.15`	`Thorgard`	`Sonuvatruck..`
`06:35.19`	`Thorgard`	`GOOD NIGHT, sirs.`
`06:36.26`	`maiaAFK`	`yes it does.`
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`06:36.52`	`cncfanatics`	`want to extract framexml ckknight ?`
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`06:44.11`	`ckknight_`	`~framexml`
`06:44.12`	`purl`	`get the official Blizzard Interface AddOn Kit here: http://www.blizzard.com/support/wow/?id=aww01671p`
`06:44.36`	`cncfanatics`	`thats 1.12 stuff purl`
`06:45.13`	`ckknight`	`where's the beta one, then?`
`06:45.16`	`cncfanatics`	`http://wdn.wowinterface.com/compare/2005991/live this is very handle also ckknight`
`06:45.25`	`cncfanatics`	`handy*`
`06:48.26`	`ckknight`	`will the extractor not work on the beta, cncfanatics?`
`06:48.30`	`ckknight`	`is there a different one?`
`06:48.30`	`cncfanatics`	`it will`
`06:48.33`	`cncfanatics`	`at least it did for me`
`06:48.38`	`ckknight`	`okay then`
`06:48.40`	`cncfanatics`	`but the file with the framexml was tricky to find`
`06:50.00`	`ckknight`	`hrm, I think we're thinking of two different things`
`06:50.08`	`ckknight`	`what can I use to extract the mpqs, then?`
`06:50.20`	`cncfanatics`	`WinMPQ will work fine`
`06:50.36`	`cncfanatics`	`http://www.curse-gaming.com/en/wow/addons-177-1-winmpq.html`
`06:50.56`	`cncfanatics`	`time to leave the house for me, cya`
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`06:50.57`	`ckknight`	`and which file has framexml?`
`06:56.55`	`ckknight`	`found it :-P`
`06:59.39`	`PProvost`	`~see vhaarr`
`06:59.40`	`purl`	`ACTION whispers to vhaarr "You didn't see anything...."`
`06:59.46`	`PProvost`	`~seen vhaarr`
`06:59.59`	`purl`	`vhaarr is currently on #wowace (14h 5m 19s). Has said a total of 95 messages. Is idling for 7h 17m 6s, last said: 'nn'.`
`07:00.11`	`CIA-17`	`03ckknight * r13979 10FuBar_QuestsFu/QuestsFu.lua: QuestsFu - 20 -> MAX_QUESTS`
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`07:25.55`	`kergoth`	`hmm, wasnt there an addon to automatically show the prices of an item you're looking for at the end of an auctioneer auction scan?`
`07:27.14`	`CIA-17`	`03ckknight * r13981 10Bartender2/Alias.lua: Bartender2 - Bar9Button6 is now LFGMicroButton in TBC`
`07:27.22`	`kergoth`	`ah there it is, fizzwidget's shoppinglist`
`07:27.36`	`ckknight`	`Bartender2 now works in TBC.`
`07:28.00`	`Kala\|Sleep`	`Using SE-Aura, can I hook onto the events to entirely see new buffs/debuffs on raid and the loss of them thereof?`
`07:28.57`	`ckknight`	`pretty sure.`
`07:29.12`	`Kala\|Sleep`	`Awesome.`
`07:31.01`	`Fisker`	`any mods made compatible with tbc yet?`
`07:31.13`	`ckknight`	`yes, Fisker`
`07:31.19`	`ckknight`	`been working on it basically all day`
`07:31.23`	`Fisker`	`awesome`
`07:32.00`	`ckknight`	`Ace2 works, FuBar works, FuBar's plugins work, Bartender2 works`
`07:32.16`	`Fisker`	`is it in the trunk?`
`07:33.12`	`ckknight`	`Ace2 isn't, it's in branches`
`07:33.32`	`ckknight`	`the one in trunk works, but the one in branches is optimized specifically for lua 5.1`
`07:33.40`	`ckknight`	`and FuBar_PerformanceFu is in branches`
`07:33.44`	`ckknight`	`the others are in trunk`
`07:33.45`	`Fisker`	`ok`
`07:34.19`	`ckknight`	`either !BugGrabber or BugSack doesn't work`
`07:34.26`	`ckknight`	`and I don't know, cause the errors don't show :-P`
`07:35.30`	`Fisker`	`Error: PROPFIND request failed on '/root/trunk/Ace2'`
`07:35.30`	`Fisker`	`Error: PROPFIND of '/root/trunk/Ace2': 405 Method Not Allowed (http://svn.wowace.com)`
`07:35.33`	`Fisker`	`what does that mean? :I`
`07:35.53`	`ckknight`	`wrong path`
`07:35.57`	`ckknight`	`<PROTECTED>`
`07:36.03`	`ckknight`	`<PROTECTED>`
`07:37.23`	`Fisker`	`This is my path`
`07:37.24`	`Fisker`	`http://svn.wowace.com/wowace/branches/Ace2`
`07:38.11`	`Fisker`	`anything special i need to do with tortoise then?`
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`07:39.51`	`Fisker`	`did you get any of that?`
`07:40.01`	`ckknight_`	`sure didn't`
`07:40.04`	`ckknight_`	`<Fisker> http://svn.wowace.com/wowace/branches/Ace2`
`07:40.18`	`Fisker`	`yeah`
`07:40.21`	`Fisker`	`that's the checkout path`
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`07:41.18`	`ckknight_`	`say anything after that?`
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`07:41.58`	`Fisker`	`not other than if that was correct or if tortoise needed something special to checkout properly`
`07:42.16`	`CIA-17`	`03ckknight * r13982 10!BugGrabber/BugGrabber.lua: !BugGrabber - upgraded for lua 5.1`
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`07:42.26`	`CIA-17`	`03ckknight * r13983 10BugSack/ (BugSack.lua BugSackFu.lua): BugSack - upgraded for lua 5.1`
`07:42.31`	`ckknight_`	`!BugGrabber/BugSack now work with TBC.`
`07:43.06`	`Cartas`	`Great work, CKK!`
`07:43.09`	`ckknight_`	`now it should be easier to debug other things`
`07:43.12`	`ckknight_`	`hey Cartas`
`07:43.18`	`Cartas`	`Hi old chap! :)`
`07:43.21`	`Fisker`	`halfway level 63 now :D`
`07:43.24`	`Cartas`	`Did you get into the beta? :O`
`07:44.00`	`ckknight_`	`sure did.`
`07:44.04`	`ckknight_`	`I'm on the EU servers.`
`07:44.04`	`Fisker`	`didn't breath just go to full when you resurfaced in the original?`
`07:44.13`	`ckknight_`	`no, Fisker`
`07:44.18`	`Greywind`	`no`
`07:44.19`	`Fisker`	`ok`
`07:44.23`	`Greywind`	`it has a recharge`
`07:44.29`	`Fisker`	`got a 60 char on the servers?`
`07:44.35`	`ckknight_`	`Fisker, sadly, no`
`07:44.39`	`Cartas`	`Noob!`
`07:44.41`	`ckknight_`	`at least not yet`
`07:44.45`	`Fisker`	`:(`
`07:44.51`	`Cartas`	`Fisker: Gotten any cool pict�r�s to show? :)`
`07:44.57`	`ckknight_`	`the owner of the account copied his 60, but that should come tomorrow sometime`
`07:45.02`	`Greywind`	`is the lfg tool working?`
`07:45.13`	`Fisker`	`YEAH`
`07:45.13`	`ckknight_`	`Greywind, haven't really tried, but it looks neat`
`07:45.15`	`CIA-17`	`03thrae * r13984 10FixMe/ (FixMe.lua FixMe.toc): FixMe -- Cleaned up US/Non-US server logic a little. Removed BattlefieldMinimap code because 1.12.1 says it fixed it.`
`07:45.19`	`Fisker`	`oops caps`
`07:45.28`	`Greywind`	`cant find pics of it, you got any?`
`07:45.36`	`Fisker`	`sure`
`07:46.07`	`ckknight`	`Fisker, what server you playing on?`
`07:46.16`	`Greywind`	`i must say, there should have been a lfg tool at launch and it sure as hell shouldnt have taken 2 years to add it :P)`
`07:46.41`	`Cartas`	`Useless tool anyways :P`
`07:46.48`	`ckknight`	`useless?`
`07:46.52`	`Cartas`	`Although, maybe not nowadays...`
`07:46.56`	`Fisker`	`sadly almost noone uses it`
`07:47.03`	`Cartas`	`Back in my day, the whole server would be stood outside of the same instance.`
`07:47.09`	`Cartas`	`Because they'd level up at the same rate :P`
`07:47.14`	`Cartas`	`Always groups to be had!`
`07:47.31`	`ckknight`	`time to upgrade TouristLib :-P`
`07:47.35`	`ckknight`	`and BabbleLib :-P`
`07:47.51`	`Greywind`	`they need to start a propaganda campaign to get people to use it then`
`07:47.52`	`ckknight`	`Babble-Zone, at least`
`07:48.00`	`Greywind`	`im tired of spamming channels to get a group`
`07:48.05`	`Cartas`	`Haha, remember meeting stones? :P`
`07:48.20`	`ckknight`	`I remember`
`07:48.22`	`ckknight`	`:-(`
`07:48.25`	`Cartas`	`I used one once for a joke, and then I got into a group then kicked right away...`
`07:48.27`	`Cartas`	`I never used one again...`
`07:48.27`	`Kala\|Sleep`	`ckknight, could you check some code for me? I don't yet understand compost fully.`
`07:48.34`	`ckknight`	`okay.`
`07:49.00`	`PProvost`	`Anyone here play Warrior?`
`07:49.03`	`Fisker`	`just gonna upload them Greywind`
`07:49.12`	`Kala\|Sleep`	`http://ace.pastey.net/1568`
`07:49.31`	`Greywind`	`k coo`
`07:49.34`	`Fisker`	`http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/1592/lfg1av4.jpg`
`07:49.46`	`Cartas`	`I play Warrior, PProvost.`
`07:49.54`	`Kala\|Sleep`	`ckknight: It's supposed to fire the event when someone gains a debuff of type, then the other event when someone loses a debuff of type`
`07:49.54`	`Fisker`	`http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/8774/lfg2ha9.jpg`
`07:50.05`	`Fisker`	`http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/277/lfg3qf4.jpg`
`07:50.07`	`ckknight`	`right.`
`07:50.12`	`Cartas`	`Thefisker: Are rogues' new talents any good?`
`07:50.25`	`PProvost`	`Cartas, how do I get Defensive Stance? I don't actually play warrior, but I have an alt at lvl 10 an need to test something.`
`07:50.28`	`PProvost`	`Is it a quest?`
`07:50.31`	`Cartas`	`Hm`
`07:50.32`	`Cartas`	`Yes.`
`07:50.36`	`Cartas`	`What race are you?`
`07:50.44`	`Kala\|Sleep`	`ckknight: In its current form, is it correct?`
`07:50.55`	`ckknight`	`yes.`
`07:51.13`	`CIA-17`	`03nimbal * r13985 10Buffalo/: Buffalo: Let's see if we can fix this by recommitting`
`07:51.14`	`Kala\|Sleep`	`Thankee.`
`07:51.18`	`Cartas`	`Fisker: What are those 2 bars for? :O`
`07:51.25`	`Cartas`	`The one above the EXP = ?`
`07:51.26`	`Fisker`	`what 2?`
`07:51.28`	`Fisker`	`faction`
`07:51.31`	`Cartas`	`Ah, okay.`
`07:51.41`	`PProvost`	`Cartas, I'm a Dwarf.`
`07:52.01`	`Fisker`	`and talents are not that great in pve`
`07:52.09`	`Fisker`	`although i really like "Quick recovery"`
`07:52.10`	`Cartas`	`Which ones have you tried?`
`07:52.11`	`Fisker`	`+20% healing`
`07:52.49`	`Kemayo`	`PProvost: Your trainer should send you on a quest.`
`07:53.06`	`Fisker`	`went for pure leveling spec right away`
`07:53.09`	`Cartas`	`PProvost: Go to the tavern in Kharanos.`
`07:53.13`	`Fisker`	`so only tested quick recovery`
`07:53.19`	`Kala\|Sleep`	`ckknight: To clarify, that code will NOT work correctly when multiple applications occur, right?`
`07:53.20`	`Cartas`	`Should get a quest from your warrior trainer if you're level 10.`
`07:53.26`	`Fisker`	`but the new rank of bandages heal 3400 over 8 second`
`07:53.28`	`ckknight`	`I don't know, Kala\|Sleep`
`07:53.33`	`Fisker`	`with my talent it's 4080 over 8 seconds`
`07:53.34`	`Fisker`	`:D`
`07:53.35`	`ckknight`	`you're going to have to ask someone who's less busy.`
`07:53.35`	`PProvost`	`Thanks Cartas`
`07:54.09`	`Kala\|Sleep`	`ckknight: Thanks anyway.`
`07:54.16`	`Cartas`	`CKKnight, busy!?`
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`07:58.19`	`Fisker`	`ckknight`
`07:58.24`	`ckknight`	`yes?`
`07:58.26`	`Fisker`	`must be a problem with the externals`
`07:58.31`	`Fisker`	`cause without externals it checkout fine`
`07:59.06`	`ckknight`	`possible`
`07:59.33`	`Fisker`	`i'll just try the trunked one instead :P`
`08:00.05`	`Greywind`	`Fisker: thanks for the screens :)`
`08:00.18`	`Greywind`	`too bad it oogley`
`08:01.23`	`Fisker`	`some stupid mobs down here in zangarmarsh`
`08:01.59`	`Fisker`	`some naga with draenei adds`
`08:02.19`	`Fisker`	`when you almost kill the add he gains like double run speed, heals up to half and gets another mob for you`
`08:02.27`	`Fisker`	`other times also 2 or 3 mobs`
`08:02.28`	`CIA-17`	`03nimbal * r13987 10Buffalo/ (. Libs/):`
`08:02.29`	`CIA-17`	`Buffalo:`
`08:02.29`	`CIA-17`	`- added externals`
`08:03.00`	`ckknight`	`Fisker, wanna do me a huge favor?`
`08:03.18`	`Fisker`	`sure`
`08:03.30`	`ckknight`	`figure out the levels of the dungeons of Outland`
`08:03.36`	`ckknight`	`so that I can put it into tourist`
`08:03.55`	`Fisker`	`on the blizzard site there's the moblevels`
`08:04.18`	`ckknight`	`the raids are weird`
`08:04.22`	`ckknight`	`are there meeting stones?`
`08:04.33`	`ckknight`	`or something`
`08:04.43`	`Fisker`	`Well hellfire citadel's is not clickable`
`08:04.46`	`Groggles`	`its part of the UI`
`08:04.46`	`ckknight`	`I don't need the levels _now_, just eventually`
`08:04.50`	`Fisker`	`the coilfang reservoir is "1-70"`
`08:04.58`	`Groggles`	`like on the minibuttons there is an LFG button`
`08:05.07`	`ckknight`	`hrm`
`08:05.16`	`Groggles`	`its pretty nice actually`
`08:05.35`	`Groggles`	`you click it then choose LFG or LFM`
`08:05.43`	`vhaarr`	`PProvost: ping`
`08:05.52`	`grzesieq`	`i hate it that my guild didnt win that stupid contest :/`
`08:06.09`	`Groggles`	`and you can select any instance quest raid zone or BG`
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`08:06.18`	`Shinja`	`hi`
`08:07.12`	`CIA-17`	`03ckknight * r13988 10BabbleLib/Babble-Zone-2.0/Babble-Zone-2.0.lua: Babble-Zone - added TBC zones/instances.`
`08:12.37`	`Quantuvis`	`~seen chuckg`
`08:12.47`	`purl`	`chuckg is currently on #wowi-lounge (2h 36m 44s), last said: 'Seems like it's the only app that runs smoothly, RapidSVN is slower than dog manure.'.`
`08:13.12`	`PProvost`	`vhaarr, heyo... don't remember what I was looking for you for. Sorry.`
`08:13.22`	`vhaarr`	`PProvost: hehe, no worries :)`
`08:13.33`	`PProvost`	`Btw, I do have a nice new modular form of the Shifter done.`
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`08:13.55`	`PProvost`	`That thing I checked in was just a proof on concept toy. This is getting pretty good.`
`08:14.01`	`vhaarr`	`Cool :)`
`08:16.49`	`PProvost`	`It would help the UI if you opened up a public method for getting the set names. I really don't wanna dig in your internals.`
`08:17.35`	`vhaarr`	`PProvost: You must understand that the current CG will most likely be 80% rewritten to account for item #1 in the TODO.`
`08:18.03`	`vhaarr`	`Which is why I'm not fixing many things in it at the moment.`
`08:19.34`	`PProvost`	`Yeah, hokay.`
`08:19.43`	`PProvost`	`At this point, I'm only using two methods...`
`08:20.14`	`PProvost`	`HasSet and WearSet`
`08:20.29`	`vhaarr`	`Indeed.`
`08:21.31`	`PProvost`	`If you are rewriting it you probably don't care, but if you add a set with the bags opened, it closes them. :(`
`08:22.47`	`vhaarr`	`yeah, because if you add a set with the bags closed, it opens them.`
`08:22.49`	`vhaarr`	`:P`
`08:23.10`	`Shinja`	`dawn wowwiki is down :s`
`08:23.27`	`Shinja`	`need to find how to catch a buff`
`08:24.20`	`Kala\|Choco`	`Shinja: SpecialEvents_BuffGained`
`08:24.48`	`Shinja`	`so use lib SE ?`
`08:24.53`	`Kala\|Choco`	`Rather, UnitBuffGained`
`08:25.06`	`Shinja`	`I was starting with SpellStatus`
`08:25.19`	`Shinja`	`ok :`
`08:25.20`	`Shinja`	`:)`
`08:25.22`	`vhaarr`	`Depends what buff you want to catch. SEEA doesn't support 2 buffs with the same name.`
`08:25.38`	`Shinja`	`need to catch... SnD`
`08:25.58`	`Shinja`	`I want to do a Ace2 - CandyBar - Slicer like`
`08:26.01`	`vhaarr`	`Then you're fine, but you can also just scan the combat log for it.`
`08:26.11`	`vhaarr`	`Shinja: Chronometer doesn't support SnD?`
`08:26.16`	`Shinja`	`I nearly do it yesterday, but messed up with duration :s`
`08:27.36`	`Shinja`	`i dunno i'll try now =)`
`08:27.38`	`kergoth`	`chronometer seems to work fine with slice and dice here..`
`08:27.56`	`axxo`	`whats slice&dice?`
`08:27.57`	`Shinja`	`It was also to learn to do an addon ^^`
`08:28.01`	`Royal`	`Yeah it does work fine with SnD`
`08:28.03`	`Shinja`	`^Rogue buff`
`08:28.12`	`Kala\|Choco`	`axxo: Rogue finishing move which increases attack speed for a period.`
`08:28.17`	`ckknight`	`Supply and Demand`
`08:28.25`	`Kala\|Choco`	`Search and Destroy`
`08:28.26`	`Shinja`	`+30% attack speed, duration depending of combo point`
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`08:28.58`	`Royal`	`Chronometer still has some weird bugs though`
`08:29.14`	`Royal`	`Sometimes when I mount up, a 9 second (0 combopoints) SnD timer is fires`
`08:29.26`	`Shinja`	`ok -_-`
`08:30.12`	`Royal`	`Also, I think CandyDice is Ace2 CandyBar version of DiscoDice (snd timer)`
`08:30.16`	`PProvost`	`Shinja, SE_Aura should work for you`
`08:30.19`	`Royal`	`Not sure if that was the name`
`08:30.40`	`kergoth`	`s/combo point/talent point/ :P`
`08:31.11`	`CIA-17`	`03ckknight * r13989 10TouristLib/Tourist-2.0/Tourist-2.0.lua: Tourist - added TBC zones/instances. Instances need proper levels, currently all 60-70`
`08:31.24`	`Shinja`	`I'll look to This PProvost`
`08:31.26`	`PProvost`	`Shinja, also it seems that wowwiki is sorta/barely up. Sometimes you can get a page. :)`
`08:31.43`	`ckknight`	`alright, with that and LocationFu, the spots should be filled in nicely.`
`08:31.52`	`Royal`	`Shinja it's better if you scan combat log for it or something, if you use the buff you won't get a bar at all if the buff isn't one of the 16 buffs shown (experienced that when doing Naxx fights with a lot of pots)`
`08:32.16`	`PProvost`	`Good point Royal`
`08:32.21`	`Shinja`	`hummm`
`08:32.30`	`Shinja`	`it depend I think`
`08:32.46`	`Shinja`	`some addon have a loop to 15 max buff`
`08:32.58`	`PProvost`	`Since one of Shinja's goals though was to write an addon, SE_Aura will be easier to start with.`
`08:33.08`	`Royal`	`Nah I checked that, the addon looped till the maxbuffs, but it only loops the 16 shown buffs afaik`
`08:33.09`	`Shinja`	`some like Ekbuffar no =)`
`08:33.18`	`Shinja`	`ok, Royal`
`08:33.18`	`CIA-17`	`03andalia * r13990 10FixMe/FixMe.lua: FixMe: Changed the versioncheck to just look if the version is 1.12.1 or 1.12.2 and ignore locale since i have enUS and 1.12.2.`
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`08:34.15`	`Shinja`	`PProvost: so I don't need SpeelStatus-1.0`
`08:34.25`	`PProvost`	`Never used it`
`08:34.37`	`Shinja`	`Speel shoud be better`
`08:34.41`	`Shinja`	`Spell`
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`08:45.37`	`[Ammo]`	`wtf`
`08:45.44`	`axxo`	`WTF`
`08:45.48`	`[Ammo]`	`I copied my Ammo to TBC`
`08:45.56`	`[Ammo]`	`and now my name is in violation of the naming rules`
`08:45.57`	`[Ammo]`	`yay`
`08:46.07`	`Groggles`	`everyone is forced to change their name`
`08:46.20`	`[Ammo]`	`oh ok`
`08:46.50`	`[Ammo]`	`well not really ok`
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`08:50.10`	`PProvost`	`Naming Rules?`
`08:50.32`	`ckknight_`	`naming rules?`
`08:51.01`	`Kalamadi`	`Call yourself Square, father of Triangle and son of Quadrilateral.`
`08:51.15`	`PProvost`	`<[Ammo]> wtf`
`08:51.15`	`PProvost`	`<axxo> WTF`
`08:51.15`	`PProvost`	`<[Ammo]> I copied my Ammo to TBC`
`08:51.15`	`PProvost`	`<[Ammo]> and now my name is in violation of the naming rules`
`08:51.15`	`PProvost`	`<[Ammo]> yay`
`08:51.17`	`PProvost`	`<Groggles> everyone is forced to change their name`
`08:51.19`	`PProvost`	`<[Ammo]> oh ok`
`08:51.21`	`PProvost`	`<[Ammo]> well not really ok`
`08:52.26`	`ckknight_`	`oh, okay`
`08:52.43`	`ckknight_`	`Square, son of Trapezoid and Rectangle`
`08:53.05`	`Kalamadi`	`Inheritor of the Golden Ruler`
`08:53.11`	`Shinja`	`need a TBC key =)`
`08:53.31`	`Shinja`	`my girlfriend had one, dunoo how :s`
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`08:53.43`	`Kalamadi`	`She's cheating on you.`
`08:54.01`	`axxo`	`'had'`
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`08:55.25`	`Shinja`	`need to see some changes on the rogue, her huner changed a lot :o`
`08:57.10`	`chrisa`	`Does bigwigs have a way to start a boss mod on demand?`
`08:57.54`	`nevcairiel`	`bigwigs starts a bossmod when you mouseover the boss`
`08:58.06`	`chrisa`	`Right, but I want to start one in say, IF`
`08:58.07`	`axxo`	`you can click 'activate' in the fubar`
`08:58.08`	`chrisa`	`To test`
`08:58.20`	`axxo`	`probaly has some /command to`
`08:58.31`	`nevcairiel`	`yeah you can click the activate in the dropdown menu`
`08:58.32`	`PProvost`	`I'm done. night all`
`08:58.45`	`nevcairiel`	`night`
`09:01.34`	`ckknight_`	`I'm adding more info to TouristLib`
`09:01.45`	`ckknight_`	`i.e. I'm stealing info from RecZone`
`09:01.54`	`Shinja`	`hummm`
`09:02.25`	`Shinja`	`SE_aura seems to not see a refresh of my SnD :s`
`09:03.31`	`Shinja`	`self:RegisterEvent("SpecialEvents_PlayerBuffGained") is not called when I'm refresh a SND`
`09:04.04`	`vhaarr`	`I'm not sure you've got it right.`
`09:04.18`	`Shinja`	`perhaps :)`
`09:04.19`	`vhaarr`	`Do you have a MyAddon:SpecialEvents_PlayerBuffGained(...) function?`
`09:04.30`	`Shinja`	`yep`
`09:04.38`	`Shinja`	`It work for the first apply`
`09:04.49`	`Shinja`	`the problem seems the refresh buff`
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`09:05.09`	`vhaarr`	`indeed, SEEA is not stable`
`09:05.16`	`vhaarr`	`I already told you to parse the combat log`
`09:05.19`	`Shinja`	`SnD remain 5 sec, I apply a new one.. no event fired :s`
`09:06.00`	`vhaarr`	`well if you refresh it while the old one is still there, you won't get a new event`
`09:06.02`	`Shinja`	`combat log won't help for spell suration for a bar i'm afraid`
`09:06.12`	`vhaarr`	`neither will SEEA`
`09:06.24`	`Shinja`	`yep`
`09:06.25`	`nevcairiel`	`you cannot detect if a buff or debuff is refreshed`
`09:06.28`	`vhaarr`	`then your point is moot`
`09:06.30`	`nevcairiel`	`there is no possible way`
`09:06.38`	`Kalamadi`	`Why not make a script call in your SnD hotkey?`
`09:07.45`	`Shinja`	`nevcairiel: so how do ElkBuffBar ?`
`09:08.08`	`nevcairiel`	`You can do it for your _own_ buffs, you dont get a event, but you can query the duration.`
`09:08.28`	`Shinja`	`self.frame:RegisterEvent("PLAYER_AURAS_CHANGED")`
`09:08.28`	`Shinja`	`it's a self buff`
`09:08.35`	`Shinja`	`sorry >_<`
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`09:09.22`	`nevcairiel`	`I am not sure if you get an event when a self buff is renewd`
`09:09.42`	`nevcairiel`	`but you can run a repeating event and check your buff list.`
`09:10.18`	`Shinja`	`I used "self.frame:RegisterEvent("PLAYER_AURAS_CHANGED")" + GetPlayerBuff + GetPlayerBuffTexture yesterday ..`
`09:10.50`	`Shinja`	`but.. even the SnD buff don't change, I received some event about it`
`09:13.06`	`Shinja`	`solution mix the two solution (seems to be VERY UGLY)`
`09:14.48`	`chrisa`	`hmm, so I can set a bossmod to active but I also need to tell it an encounter has starting by registering an event`
`09:20.00`	`vhaarr`	`that's different for each boss`
`09:20.08`	`vhaarr`	`which one do you want to test?`
`09:20.30`	`Fisker`	`ckknight_`
`09:20.37`	`Fisker`	`ace2 doesn't work with crafting still`
`09:20.57`	`ckknight_`	`crafting?`
`09:21.00`	`Fisker`	`yeah`
`09:21.01`	`ckknight_`	`what happens?`
`09:21.20`	`Fisker`	`it gives you the "Ace2 is trying to do something only available to the blizzard ui"`
`09:22.01`	`ckknight_`	`hrm.`
`09:22.03`	`mjc`	`TENTICLE RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPE`
`09:22.27`	`mjc`	`sorry. I meant, 'hi'`
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`09:23.06`	`Shinja`	`vhaarr: 'im looking for your combatlog solution, and spellbook talent`
`09:23.51`	`Fisker`	`btw i dunno if it's a blizzard bug`
`09:23.58`	`Fisker`	`cause when you disable ace it's just the next addon`
`09:24.00`	`Fisker`	`and so on`
`09:24.48`	`mjc`	`remove all your addons, enable only ace2, then start enabling ace2 addons.`
`09:25.18`	`Fisker`	`what would that accomplish?`
`09:25.19`	`Royal`	`Shinja, use combat log, and just code the duration instead of querying it`
`09:25.27`	`Shinja`	`yep`
`09:25.57`	`Shinja`	`i'll pick parserlib`
`09:27.02`	`vhaarr`	`ckknight_: ah, turns out some non-SVN addon had an old copy of the Ace2 libraries that caused those errors I showed you last night`
`09:27.12`	`ckknight_`	`okay.`
`09:27.22`	`vhaarr`	`weird that the new Ace2 libraries didn't replace them`
`09:27.27`	`ckknight_`	`quite`
`09:27.48`	`mjc`	`<koudelka> "hey baby, i'm 20 frames deep in your stack"`
`09:27.50`	`CIA-17`	`03ammo * r13991 10FuBar_MoneyFu/MoneyFu.lua: FuBar_MoneyFu: use pairs for TBC`
`09:28.32`	`mjc`	`Fisker: well, if you have randomfoo addon that uses ace2 but is, say, registering an acelibrary, it might give an imprecise error message.`
`09:28.40`	`Shinja`	`humm Parser-1.1 ou -2.0 ? ^^`
`09:29.22`	`CIA-17`	`03amethyst * r13992 10FuBar_TankPointsFu/ (4 files):`
`09:29.22`	`CIA-17`	`FuBar_TankPointsFu: initial commit`
`09:29.22`	`CIA-17`	`- FuBar2 addon. Displays useful tank information and yells on configurable ability usage.`
`09:29.38`	`Shinja`	`most of current addons seems to use 1.1.. better to use it also (perfomation wise)`
`09:29.54`	`Shinja`	`s/perfomation/performance`
`09:30.24`	`Fisker`	`mjc it's every addon`
`09:30.43`	`mjc`	`proof?`
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`09:30.52`	`Fisker`	`oh that way`
`09:31.20`	`Fisker`	`was some other addon then`
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`09:39.10`	`mjc`	`kergoth: ping`
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`09:40.30`	`mjc`	`hey Sairen`
`09:40.38`	`Sairen`	`hiho`
`09:42.02`	`mjc`	`kergoth: ping ping ping`
`09:42.04`	`mjc`	`:P`
`09:42.09`	`mjc`	`yes I know it's like 2am there`
`09:48.59`	`CIA-17`	`03rabbit * r13993 10AuldLangSyne/AuldLangSyne.lua: AuldLangSyne: pairs(...) for TBC.`
`09:49.16`	`CIA-17`	`03amethyst * r13994 10FuBar_TankPointsFu/:`
`09:49.16`	`CIA-17`	`FuBar_TankPointsFu:`
`09:49.16`	`CIA-17`	`-`
`09:51.04`	`mjc`	`nice. wow's just sitting here.`
`09:51.23`	`mjc`	`19646 World of W 7.0% 0:41.60 16 221 1200 178M- 34.5M 194M 376M`
`09:51.44`	`mjc`	`it's like someone told it it could get some free dick if it ate 1/4 my memory.`
`09:52.17`	`andreasg`	`...`
`09:52.50`	`pastamancer`	`yum?`
`09:54.13`	`CIA-17`	`03ckknight * r13995 10TouristLib/Tourist-2.0/Tourist-2.0.lua: Tourist - added continent methods. bugfixes`
`09:54.15`	`mjc`	`not sure whether it got its free dick but it's just continuing to sit at login.`
`09:54.51`	`ckknight_`	`alright, now Tourist knows what continent a zone/instance is in.`
`09:54.52`	`pastamancer`	`perhaps it's having a cigarette afterwards`
`09:56.52`	`[Ammo]`	`pom pom pom`
`09:57.00`	`mjc`	`~whalestab TabletLib`
`09:57.02`	`purl`	`ACTION stabs TabletLib with a rather narrow and pointy whale named Montgomery`
`09:57.11`	`CIA-17`	`03amethyst * r13996 10FuBar_TankPointsFu/FuBar_TankPointsFu.toc:`
`09:57.11`	`CIA-17`	`FuBar_TankPointsFu:`
`09:57.11`	`CIA-17`	`- Updated to set externals`
`09:57.14`	`[Ammo]`	`time to read up on how to fix clicking in TBC`
`09:57.21`	`[Ammo]`	`oRA2 works just fine, apart from the clickstuff`
`09:57.23`	`mjc`	`tankpointsfu?`
`09:57.26`	`ckknight`	`what's wrong, mjc?`
`09:57.47`	`vhaarr`	`yay`
`09:58.02`	`CIA-17`	`03rabbit * r13997 10TinyTip/TinyTip.lua: TinyTip: pairs(...) for when resetting the DB and when the profile data is old.`
`09:58.02`	`CIA-17`	`03rabbit * r13999 10BigWigs/ZG/Hakkar.lua: BigWigs: Hakkar: Just some random cleanups on my way to finding what's wrong with it.`
`09:58.02`	`CIA-17`	`03rabbit * r13998 10FuBar_DurabilityFu/FuBar_DurabilityFu.toc: FuBar_DurabilityFu: OptionalDeps.`
`09:58.03`	`CIA-17`	`03rabbit * r14000 10GMail/GMail.lua: GMail: pairs(...) for TBC.`
`09:58.08`	`vhaarr`	`\o/`
`09:58.42`	`mjc`	`ckknight: kergoth wrote a script to pull down externals as normal libs, something's broken in some mod's x-embeds so it was causing WoW to never P_E_W`
`09:59.03`	`mjc`	`nice, now all my fubar mods are attached to the minimap.`
`09:59.58`	`vhaarr`	`I recently checked out all the libs as addons and removed all externals, and the initial memory load dropped by like 8mb.`
`10:00.28`	`mjc`	`vhaarr: I'm trying to integrate two scripts that kergoth wrote so I can do that automatically and make zips of both versions`
`10:00.39`	`vhaarr`	`mjc: that's neat`
`10:00.48`	`mjc`	`using svk`
`10:01.00`	`mjc`	`so then anything that doesn't match the svn I just push into my local svk repo`
`10:01.54`	`CIA-17`	`03ckknight * r14001 10FuBar_LocationFu/ (3 files): LocationFu - add continent information`
`10:04.32`	`[Ammo]`	`ckk got performancefu working yet for TBC?`
`10:04.37`	`ckknight`	`it's in branches.`
`10:04.38`	`[Ammo]`	`I got some gcTreshhold errors`
`10:04.39`	`[Ammo]`	`ah ok`
`10:04.48`	`[Ammo]`	`is there a TBC branch?`
`10:04.55`	`ckknight`	`yes`
`10:04.59`	`[Ammo]`	`I need to branch parserlib a bit to get WitchHunt working`
`10:05.02`	`[Ammo]`	`okie`
`10:05.03`	`ckknight`	`also, get Ace2's TBC branch.`
`10:05.33`	`ckknight`	`PerformanceFu's the only plugin that will be branched by me, since the GC is so different`
`10:07.19`	`[Ammo]`	`guess it's noexternals time then`
`10:07.38`	`mjc`	`ammo, eh?`
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`10:08.07`	`Shinja`	`i'm going mad..`
`10:08.14`	`ckknight`	`I've been updating quite a few addons so that they'll work in TBC`
`10:08.32`	`Shinja`	`i've the first SnD wia Parserlib, but i can't manage to have my refresh >_<`
`10:08.54`	`Shinja`	`and I see it in SimpleCombatLog :s`
`10:08.57`	`[Ammo]`	`mjc: because externals are set up for Ace2 not to the branches`
`10:09.03`	`mjc`	`ah.`
`10:09.21`	`andreasg`	`I still hope for a public test server so I can fix ag_unitframes in time, 'cause I have no key :P`
`10:09.58`	`axxo`	`thats such a hint 'gimme a key`
`10:12.14`	`CIA-17`	`03amethyst * r14002 10FuBar_TankPointsFu/ (FuBar_TankPointsFu.toc TankPointsFu.lua):`
`10:12.14`	`CIA-17`	`FuBar_TankPointsFu:`
`10:12.14`	`CIA-17`	`- Code tidy to remove unused commented code.`
`10:12.19`	`andreasg`	`Yeah sure, but I don't see it happening ;D`
`10:14.02`	`Shinja`	`Lol, reflesh SnD is a SELF_DAMAGE >_<`
`10:14.28`	`mjc`	`??`
`10:14.35`	`Shinja`	`CHAT_MSG_SPELL_SELF_DAMAGE`
`10:14.53`	`mjc`	`k?`
`10:15.04`	`mjc`	`~cluebat mjc`
`10:15.08`	`purl`	`ACTION pulls out a ClueBat (tm) and thwaps mjc.`
`10:15.16`	`Shinja`	`the first is a CHAT_MSG_SPELL_SELF_BUFF event`
`10:15.18`	`CIA-17`	`03ag * r14003 10ag_UnitFrames/ (ag_UnitClass.lua ag_UnitFrames.lua):`
`10:15.18`	`CIA-17`	`ag_UnitFrames`
`10:15.18`	`CIA-17`	`<PROTECTED>`
`10:15.25`	`Shinja`	`kinda weird`
`10:15.44`	`pastamancer`	`andreasg: was that the "ooc update" message that you just fixed?`
`10:16.18`	`andreasg`	`pastamancer: I was trying to test out how a raid acts if frames can't be updated while in combat`
`10:16.44`	`pastamancer`	`ah`
`10:16.53`	`andreasg`	`and I found out that it doesn't act that well so`
`10:17.00`	`andreasg`	`I probably need to use the secure anchors`
`10:18.16`	`andreasg`	`ckknight: two secs while I register`
`10:18.24`	`andreasg`	`I can't wisper in tells atm`
`10:18.26`	`pastamancer`	`yeah, I'm not looking forward to making grid use the secure anchors`
`10:18.50`	`mjc`	`secure anchors?`
`10:19.04`	`pastamancer`	`based on the comments, it sounds like you can only include one class or one group per anchor`
`10:19.12`	`mjc`	`shit is so retarded`
`10:19.13`	`ckknight`	`wtf?`
`10:19.58`	`mjc`	`world of wtfcraft`
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`10:22.25`	`[Ammo]`	`well Cide helped develop the secure anchors`
`10:22.30`	`[Ammo]`	`so expect it to be euhm, less optimal`
`10:22.32`	ag`	`pastamancer: just anchor two headers together`
`10:22.53`	`pastamancer`	`what about it managing the spacing between the units?`
`10:22.58`	`pastamancer`	`wouldn't they overlap?`
`10:23.36`	ag`	`I guess you anchor the second header to the last unit of the first header`
`10:23.52`	ag`	`that way you have "one" group that can show two different classes`
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`10:24.10`	`mjc`	`ckknight: I think fubar's X-Embeds are wrong :/`
`10:24.22`	`ckknight`	`k`
`10:24.23`	`pastamancer`	`oh, I see, tie one anchor to the bottom of the other anchor's bottom`
`10:24.28`	`ckknight`	`I wouldn't know, I didn't set them`
`10:24.30`	ag`	`pastamancer: so I think that's going to be ok, yes`
`10:24.32`	`ckknight`	`feel free to change them`
`10:24.42`	ag`	`I don't like however how the anchors control how we create our frames`
`10:24.51`	`mjc`	`not sure what "right" is though`
`10:25.10`	`mjc`	`I have JostleLib in my AddOns dir, but fubar can't find it`
`10:25.22`	ag`	`and If it's impossible to apply a width on a frame after an anchor have created it, it's going to be impossible with a user setting called width`
`10:25.26`	`mjc`	`let me hunt a little.`
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`10:28.03`	`ckknight`	`mjc, OptionalDeps is what handles that`
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`10:28.48`	`mjc`	`ckknight: optionaldeps is set to JostleLib, which is the name of the addon folder`
`10:28.56`	`ckknight`	`hrm`
`10:29.00`	`ckknight`	`I dunno, then`
`10:29.32`	ag`	`I'd really like to know if it would be possible to apply a width from a variable to a raid frame created by the anchor while inside combat`
`10:30.00`	`mjc`	`what's x-embeds for`
`10:30.21`	`vhaarr`	`It lists the libraries and addons that the addon embeds.`
`10:30.41`	`pastamancer`	ag`: while inside combat? I'm going to guess not
`10:30.43`	`vhaarr`	`As opposed to what the addon optionally can run with or need for additional features beyond the basic ones.`
`10:31.23`	`vhaarr`	`Like SCT is a OptionalDep if BanzaiAlert, but BA doesn't embed SCT.`
`10:31.28`	`vhaarr`	`of*`
`10:31.29`	`mjc`	`ok`
`10:33.30`	`pastamancer`	`bah, I wish I could just pass a closure to the secure raid anchor for the groupFilter and sortMethod`
`10:33.44`	`pastamancer`	`it's not like they'd be triggered on events other than R_R_U`
`10:34.05`	ag`	`they should just allow one frame move per RRU`
`10:34.14`	ag`	`that way no addons would have to be redesigned`
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`10:34.38`	ag`	`but I guess that's "exploitable"`
`10:34.51`	`pastamancer`	`oh, unlock the frames while the R_R_U event is being processed? yeah, I like that`
`10:35.19`	ag`	`yes, but it won't happen. I think they're going to stick with this anchor idea`
`10:35.28`	`pastamancer`	`I'd cry if I saw a guild constantly kicking/inviting someone to exploit something like that`
`10:36.14`	`CIA-17`	`03nimbal 07Nimbal * r14004 10Buffalo/Buffalo/ (Buffalo.lua Buffalo.xml BuffaloDefaults.lua Libs/): Buffalo (branch): Creating own buff buttons now instead of using the blizzard ones. Not functional yet`
`10:36.25`	ag`	`yeah, it would cause them more problems than what they would gain`
`10:37.24`	`pastamancer`	`the secure raid anchor is retarded and restricts you to CTRA-style groups :(`
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`10:37.30`	ag`	`yes`
`10:37.56`	`pastamancer`	`I wonder if you'll be able to update the nameList in combat`
`10:38.07`	`pastamancer`	`I'm going to guess not`
`10:38.13`	`CIA-17`	`03mjc * r14005 10DewdropLib/DewdropLib.toc: DewdropLib: the folder's name in svn is DewdropLib, the 1.0 version appears to be there, so lets call this DewdropLib rather than Dewdrop 2.0`
`10:38.28`	`mjc`	`the name was mightily confusing.`
`10:38.35`	ag`	`I don't like how each anchor only pools it's own frames (as far as I've read)`
`10:39.00`	`vhaarr`	`ckknight: If I want to translate FuBarPlugin and TabletLib, for example, how would I do that?`
`10:39.01`	ag`	`so with a lot of anchors you will have a million frames in memory`
`10:39.04`	`pastamancer`	`oh, let me check it`
`10:39.09`	`vhaarr`	`ckknight: Alot of the strings used are enUS only.`
`10:39.19`	`vhaarr`	`ckknight: Should I just add them as "constants" at the top?`
`10:39.22`	`pastamancer`	`ugh`
`10:39.33`	`pastamancer`	`local buttons = this.buttons`
`10:39.48`	`ckknight`	`vhaarr, yes`
`10:39.49`	`pastamancer`	`line 464 http://wdn.wowinterface.com/code/2005991/FrameXML/SecureTemplates.lua`
`10:39.54`	`vhaarr`	`ckknight: Mind if I do that?`
`10:39.58`	`ckknight`	`please do`
`10:40.22`	ag`	`pastamancer: yes, it gets really really bad there`
`10:40.27`	`CIA-17`	`03ckknight * r14006 10TouristLib/Tourist-2.0/Tourist-2.0.lua: Tourist - fixed some continents`
`10:41.18`	ag`	`but afaik those secure frames isn't blizzards code (yet)`
`10:41.30`	`pastamancer`	`oh god, I can only hope`
`10:41.31`	ag`	`I think someone should talk to slouken about them`
`10:41.38`	ag`	`or post in that thread`
`10:41.51`	ag`	`anyway I hate the fact that the anchors control the creation of the unit frames`
`10:42.05`	`pastamancer`	`as much as I hate reading the wow forums, I might just do that`
`10:42.26`	`pastamancer`	`or if you want to write something, I'll post it on the US forums for slouken since you're on EU`
`10:42.35`	`Greywind`	`oh great, so my memory will be a lot higher in BC?`
`10:42.46`	`Greywind`	`*memory usage`
`10:43.12`	`Greywind`	`I'm a bit drunk atm so I'm not quite following the conversation :P`
`10:43.25`	`pastamancer`	`potentially`
`10:43.35`	`CIA-17`	`03ckknight * r14007 10FuBar_LocationFu/LocationFu.lua: LocationFu - flipped continent coloring`
`10:43.39`	`pastamancer`	`if you only ever group/sort your raid frames by raidgroup, nothing will change`
`10:43.56`	`pastamancer`	`well, unless you have raids that aren't full`
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`10:44.00`	`Greywind`	`doh i sort em by class`
`10:44.10`	`Greywind`	`then i have the numbers beside em`
`10:44.13`	ag`	`nah you can do that too`
`10:44.21`	`Greywind`	`oh whew`
`10:44.42`	`pastamancer`	`so if you had 5 rogues and 2 warriors you'd have 7 frames but if 2 rogues left and 2 warriors joined, you'd have 9 frames`
`10:44.56`	ag`	`yes, it looks like it pastamancer`
`10:44.58`	`pastamancer`	`because they're pooled by each individual anchor`
`10:45.00`	`pastamancer`	`ugh`
`10:45.08`	ag`	`pastamancer: could you please create a whine post`
`10:45.08`	`Greywind`	`eww thats ugly`
`10:45.17`	`CIA-17`	`03amethyst * r14008 10FuBar_TankPointsFu/ (3 files):`
`10:45.17`	`CIA-17`	`FuBar_TankPointsFu:`
`10:45.17`	`CIA-17`	`- Fixed bug where stances were not being detected correctly.`
`10:45.21`	`pastamancer`	`sure thing, when I'm not drunk and tired`
`10:45.31`	`nevcairiel`	`being drunk is perfect for a whine post`
`10:45.40`	ag`	`oh come on`
`10:45.48`	`pastamancer`	`I just finished putting 8+ hours of work in on Grid`
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`10:45.55`	`Greywind`	`gah speaking of which I think i need to stop drinking now, I seem to hav 4 hands nopw`
`10:45.59`	`pastamancer`	`and I want to sleep`
`10:46.27`	`pastamancer`	`I'm afraid to open the blinds because I know the sun is coming up`
`10:46.27`	`nevcairiel`	`4 > 2, where is your problem ? :)`
`10:46.38`	ag`	`anyway I'll give you some suggestions to talk about in the post when you come back pastamancer`
`10:46.53`	`Greywind`	`cause im having a harf time seeing my keyboatd also :P`
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`10:47.01`	`Greywind`	`gah speling 4tl`
`10:47.21`	ag`	`like mentioning how much it will tie the hands of the developers, how RRU allowing SetPoint would be so much better, and how much all the Ace devs hate the anchors :P`
`10:47.36`	ag`	`or at least some of them do (me,)`
`10:47.40`	ag`	`=)`
`10:48.26`	`Greywind`	`*goodbye`
`10:48.28`	`Greywind`	`:P`
`10:48.29`	ag`	`bai`
`10:48.36`	`pastamancer`	`aside from being poorly implemented, the anchors stifle creative raid frame layouts`
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`10:48.58`	ag`	`yes`
`10:49.02`	`nevcairiel`	`dont judge their implementation yet, its a work in progress :)`
`10:49.32`	ag`	`allowing RRU to move frames once would like, rock`
`10:53.44`	`ckknight`	`lol, [Ammo]`
`10:57.43`	`Grey\|away`	`bleh no lowbies out to gank, only this poor little 23 druid, I sort of feel sorry for him. he keeps ressing right in front of me and i keep 1hit killing him`
`10:58.10`	`nevcairiel`	`you are so mean.`
`10:58.42`	`Grey\|away`	`well to be honest i started dancing with him first but then he spit on me`
`10:58.49`	`nevcairiel`	`lol`
`10:58.55`	`Grey\|away`	`didnt want to kill him i just wanted to dance`
`10:59.08`	`Grey\|away`	`so now he must die`
`10:59.17`	`pastamancer`	`I won't shed a tear for him. people who /spit get what they deserve`
`10:59.56`	`Grey\|away`	`pastamancer: hmm true`
`11:00.17`	`[Ammo]`	`hehe /me found ckk on TBC :p`
`11:00.33`	`nevcairiel`	`ammo where did you steal your key now?`
`11:00.35`	`Grey\|away`	`he doesnt seem to realize i can see him in stealth the poor little thing`
`11:00.39`	`\|Pixel\|`	`http://www.yaz0r.net/~yazoo/bc.jpg`
`11:00.45`	`ckknight`	`I said I was an addon author that worked on FuBar and Ace2 :-P`
`11:01.00`	`nevcairiel`	`liar`
`11:01.24`	`nevcairiel`	`Adam Heman, lol`
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`11:01.28`	`Grey\|away`	`heman? oh dear`
`11:01.59`	ag`	`where's Skeletor then`
`11:02.04`	`Grey\|away`	`oh joy the druid brought in a 40 pally to pwn me`
`11:02.30`	`Grey\|away`	`darn it he bubbled but he didnt hearth`
`11:02.39`	`Grey\|away`	`must be on cooldown`
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`11:03.22`	`nevcairiel`	`what class do you play Grey\|away?`
`11:03.28`	`Grey\|away`	`druid`
`11:03.57`	`nevcairiel`	`and you dare to kill another druid? EXILE i say.`
`11:04.07`	`Grey\|away`	`hey i just wanted to dance`
`11:04.13`	`Grey\|away`	`he spit on me first`
`11:04.15`	`Grey\|away`	`:P`
`11:04.27`	`Grey\|away`	`he forfieted his life`
`11:04.45`	`Grey\|away`	`over and over and over again :D`
`11:05.12`	`Grey\|away`	`nevcairiel: you play a druid too?`
`11:05.20`	`nevcairiel`	`yes`
`11:05.25`	`Grey\|away`	`ah coo`
`11:06.03`	`Grey\|away`	`hehe im running circles around this poor pally :P`
`11:06.57`	`nevcairiel`	`anyway, bbiab`
`11:07.11`	`Grey\|away`	`hmm I think I have his guild's vent info, i should see if he is on it and ask him to beg me for his life :P`
`11:07.24`	`nevcairiel`	`heh`
`11:07.37`	`CIA-17`	`03ckknight * r14009 10OneBag/OneCore.lua: OneBag - upgraded for lua 5.1`
`11:11.27`	`Fisker`	`[Ammo] what are you called ingame?`
`11:11.31`	`Grey\|away`	`tauren get plainsrunning back?`
`11:11.48`	`Grey\|away`	`or is this just a forum rumor?`
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`11:14.30`	`\|Pixel\|`	`what's plainsrunning ? :P`
`11:14.48`	`\|Pixel\|`	`ah, got it on wowwiki`
`11:14.59`	`ckknight`	`rumor`
`11:15.08`	`ckknight`	`Fisker, Ammo is Shammo`
`11:15.12`	`ckknight`	`I'm currently Gomeric`
`11:15.27`	`ckknight`	`both Draenei`
`11:15.29`	`\|Pixel\|`	`I don't know if it's a rumor or not, but what's for sure is that blizzard wants to revamp the racial abilities of all races`
`11:16.16`	`Kalamadi`	`\|Pixel\|: Dwarves get +5 to guns. Only three of five Dwarven classes can use guns.`
`11:17.05`	`\|Pixel\|`	`same with orcs and the +x with axes - where you can play orc shaman and warlock :)`
`11:17.10`	`Worf`	`i have the impression that they want to revamp that much that so that we have the whole scale of possibilities: total flop to mega hit`
`11:17.40`	`Kalamadi`	`The undead have fear/charm/something else on a 2 minute timer`
`11:18.08`	`Kalamadi`	`Dwarves have immunity to bleed/disease/poison on a 3 minute timer. Which is most useful in both PVE and PVP?`
`11:18.09`	`ckknight`	`Orc also has the pet bonus, which only two classes can use`
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`11:18.17`	`ckknight`	`and Troll's racials are not good for magic users at all`
`11:18.35`	`\|Pixel\|`	`erm`
`11:18.43`	`\|Pixel\|`	`the blood-thing is quite good for magic users`
`11:18.58`	`\|Pixel\|`	`since it cuts off casting time`
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`11:28.39`	`Mikma`	`so those TBC -updated addons don't work in 1.12 anymore?`
`11:30.16`	`vhaarr`	`anything TBC-updated in trunk should work in 1.12`
`11:30.29`	`vhaarr`	`unless otherwise noted, like flexbar`
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`11:37.14`	`ckknight`	`if it doesn't work in 1.12, it should be in branches`
`11:37.22`	`ckknight`	`such as Ace2 and FuBar_PerformanceFu are`
`11:39.53`	`Gamefaq\|afk`	`mhhh cia sleeps again`
`11:43.13`	`ckknight`	`ElkBuffBars seem to work in TBC`
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`11:45.12`	`Wobin`	`oh man, I love SinFest`
`11:47.33`	`CIA-17`	`03rabbit * r14011 10FuBarPlugin-2.0/FuBarPlugin-2.0/FuBarPlugin-2.0.lua: FuBarPlugin-2.0: Let the localization commence!`
`11:48.26`	`CIA-17`	`03rabbit * r14012 10TabletLib/Tablet-2.0/Tablet-2.0.lua: Tablet-2.0: Translators, rejoice!`
`11:50.27`	`vhaarr`	`ckknight: There are a few in AceDB as well, should I touch it?`
`11:50.37`	`ckknight`	`sure`
`11:52.24`	`nevcairiel`	`why dont you use AceLocale?`
`11:52.37`	`yacoob`	`Wobin, sinfest very good :)`
`11:54.25`	`evl`	`!trunk XAD`
`11:56.48`	`nevcairiel`	`XAD is weird, using AL-2.1 but using Babble-2.0, so basicly it needs both AL's :o`
`11:58.14`	`ckknight`	`you shouldn't use AceLocale on other libraries, it'd complicate things needlessly`
`11:58.41`	`nevcairiel`	`ah ok.`
`11:59.39`	`vhaarr`	`ckknight: There's alot of \|"Character: " .. name\| things, are those safe to translate?`
`11:59.56`	`vhaarr`	`\|"Realm: " .. name\|, \|"Class: " .. name\|`
`11:59.59`	`ckknight`	`you translate the "Character: " part`
`12:00.02`	`vhaarr`	`right`
`12:00.04`	`ckknight`	`those are safe to translate`
`12:00.19`	`ckknight`	`don't translate the lowercase realm/ stuff`
`12:00.53`	`vhaarr`	`Commit failed.`
`12:01.08`	`vhaarr`	`Error: CHECKOUT of '/wowace/!svn/ver/11577/trunk/Ace2/AceDB-2.0/AceDB-2.0.lua': 403 Forbidden (http://dev.wowace.com)`
`12:02.02`	`vhaarr`	`ckknight: Do I need permissions to check in to Ace2?`
`12:02.12`	`ckknight`	`possibly.`
`12:02.21`	`CIA-17`	`03ckknight 07TBC * r14013 10Ace2/Ace2/AceHook-2.0/AceHook-2.0.lua: AceHook - updated for lua 5.1`
`12:03.18`	`vhaarr`	`ckknight: http://pastebin.ca/203785`
`12:04.30`	`yacoob`	`Woooobin! You made me backtrack sinfest!`
`12:04.39`	`yacoob`	`And I found this! http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=2194`
`12:05.10`	`vhaarr`	`Gamefaq\|afk: Perhaps you should localize AceAddon for deDE.`
`12:05.39`	`nevcairiel`	`but escape the strings this time, stupid special chars in utf`
`12:05.47`	`evl`	`Lol`
`12:05.50`	`vhaarr`	`Gamefaq\|afk: And AceConsole, AceDB, FBP-2.0, TabletLib.`
`12:05.52`	`evl`	`how the fuck do I use XAD?`
`12:06.01`	`evl`	`I figured out how to unlock it but it stops there :D`
`12:06.14`	`vhaarr`	`Drop something into it.`
`12:06.19`	`vhaarr`	`Like a healing potion.`
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`12:10.25`	`vhaarr`	`Kaelten: Hey, would you be willing to commit a AceDB translation update for me? I don't seem to have access.`
`12:10.30`	`Wobin`	`yacoob: He's such a fanboi{`
`12:10.50`	`Kaelten`	`vhaar you on gtalk?`
`12:11.04`	`vhaarr`	`I could be.`
`12:11.29`	`Kaelten`	`send me the file there`
`12:11.34`	`Kaelten`	`kaelten # gmail.com`
`12:11.42`	`vhaarr`	`I'll just e-mail it, then.`
`12:11.51`	`Kaelten`	`bah`
`12:11.58`	`Kaelten`	`gtalk is better than email`
`12:11.59`	`Kaelten`	`:)`
`12:12.30`	`vhaarr`	`I only have it through the gmail interface, I don't have the gtalk client.`
`12:12.43`	`Kaelten`	`ah`
`12:12.50`	`Kaelten`	`lol`
`12:12.55`	`Kaelten`	`I love gtalk`
`12:12.58`	`vhaarr`	`Of course, I have a Jabber client, but ..`
`12:13.54`	`vhaarr`	`Kaelten: Maybe you could make a post on the forums about translating the core Ace modules, none of them have anything but enUS at the moment.`
`12:14.14`	`vhaarr`	`Kaelten: It really looks like crap on deDE or whatever when 20% of the options are in enUS.`
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`12:16.41`	`CIA-17`	`03kaelten * r14014 10Ace2/AceDB-2.0/AceDB-2.0.lua:`
`12:16.41`	`CIA-17`	`Ace2 - AceDB-2.0`
`12:16.41`	`CIA-17`	`- Updated Locales (vhaarr)`
`12:17.11`	`Kaelten`	`hrm. ya. we do need to do something about it.`
`12:17.21`	`tigg`	`vhaarr: http://www.tf.uni-kiel.de/~tig/ClosetGnome_deDE.diff <-- ClosetGnome deDE Localization`
`12:17.48`	`Kaelten`	`anyone here code in python?`
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`12:18.20`	`haste`	`I think ckk does`
`12:18.38`	`ckknight`	`sure do`
`12:18.54`	`wereHamster`	`is the svn repo closed for non-developers now? (I've been away for a long time and not working on addons...)`
`12:19.23`	`nevcairiel`	`no its not`
`12:20.02`	`CIA-17`	`03rabbit * r14015 10ClosetGnome/ClosetGnome.lua: ClosetGnome: deDE translation, thanks tigg!`
`12:20.48`	`Kaelten`	`ckknight: what editor do you use?`
`12:20.58`	`ckknight`	`Notepad2`
`12:21.26`	`Gamefaq\|afk`	`closetgnome...if you would now how this reads in german...:D`
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`12:22.38`	`Wobin`	`how does it read?`
`12:24.18`	`Gamefaq\|afk`	`well "Closet" ist in german another word for Toilet (!) g`
`12:25.24`	`ckknight`	`Kleidershrank ftw`
`12:25.45`	`nevcairiel`	`closet isnt really toilet, its more like ckk said`
`12:27.17`	`[Ammo]`	`ckk, I gotta go, so I logged off shammo`
`12:27.18`	`[Ammo]`	`later :)`
`12:27.47`	`tigg`	`hehe, I didnt translate closet ;)`
`12:27.52`	`Gamefaq\|afk`	`yes and no "ich gehe aufs klo" = i go to the Toilet`
`12:28.07`	`Gamefaq\|afk`	`if you ask someone where he is...`
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`12:28.32`	`Gamefaq\|afk`	`er ist auf dem kloset = he �s on the Toilet`
`12:29.48`	`Gamefaq\|afk`	`its a slang`
`12:30.09`	`ckknight`	`KleidershrankGnom`
`12:32.11`	`CIA-17`	`03rabbit * r14016 10BigWigs/BigWigs.toc: BigWigs: TOC update.`
`12:32.16`	`yacoob`	`who should I hypnotise in order to have keybindings in CG? :)`
`12:32.29`	`vhaarr`	`me, but I'm off to work now`
`12:32.42`	`yacoob`	`vhaarr, by Osiris and Apis, you are a boar...`
`12:32.46`	`sergio`	`reverse bag order cough`
`12:32.51`	`CIA-17`	`03ckknight * r14017 10BabbleLib/Babble-Race-2.0/Babble-Race-2.0.lua: Babble-Race - added Blood elves and Draenei.`
`12:32.52`	`yacoob`	`...wait, I mean, you want to code keybindings!`
`12:32.58`	`vhaarr`	`add it to the todo cough`
`12:33.17`	`yacoob`	`don't have the rights, boar. Errr, vhaarr. :)`
`12:33.27`	`sergio`	`it is there`
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`12:35.33`	`yacoob`	`can anyone with svn access rights modify CG's todo for me? :)`
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`12:46.14`	`Mikma`	`has anyone played with the chatframes and DockFrame / UnDockFrame + load previous position?`
`12:49.54`	`Clovenhoof`	`hmm probably a noob question but can i have 2 different addons use the same prefix for acecomm ?`
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`12:52.10`	`maia`	`whats the name of the addon tekkub wrote to inspect addon arrays? is that kyubi?`
`12:53.22`	`Saroz`	`sup people`
`12:54.01`	`nevcairiel`	`not much`
`12:54.10`	`nevcairiel`	`did you look at my patch?`
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`12:56.21`	`Saroz`	`no`
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`12:58.18`	`Wobin`	`tekprobe?`
`12:58.24`	`Wobin`	`(maia)`
`12:58.36`	`maia`	`yeah, thanks`
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`12:58.55`	`XLVII`	`What should I get on my Year 12 jersey?`
`12:59.12`	`CIA-17`	`03icetrain * r14018 10ClosetGnome_Gatherer/ClosetGnome_Gatherer.lua:`
`12:59.12`	`CIA-17`	`ClosetGnome_Gatherer:`
`12:59.12`	`CIA-17`	`- Uneqip should now work when incomplete sets are worn`
`12:59.18`	`Saroz`	`hrrrm, interesting nevcairiel`
`12:59.28`	`Wobin`	`47?`
`13:00.04`	`Wobin`	`The problem with using an internet nick on your jersey, is that no-one will get it =P`
`13:00.11`	`XLVII`	`Exactly, lol.`
`13:00.16`	`XLVII`	`I was thinking 'Truant'`
`13:00.23`	`Worf`	`hmm... are the blizzard forums down or just overloaded?`
`13:00.23`	`Wobin`	`Treant =P`
`13:00.23`	`XLVII`	`But my parents don't agree, lol.`
`13:00.27`	`XLVII`	`ROFL!`
`13:00.43`	`Wobin`	`CheekyBugger`
`13:02.08`	`Mikma`	`hmmh`
`13:02.33`	`Mikma`	`i should look at the Popsicle again but need to go to ZG just in case i get my idol :P`
`13:03.07`	`Saroz`	`Need beta key`
`13:03.07`	`Saroz`	`ffs`
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`13:07.33`	`haste`	`Saroz: buy one on ebay then :)`
`13:07.39`	`haste`	`or wait for the PTR thingy`
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`13:11.28`	`Saroz`	`We should all get keys`
`13:11.28`	`Mikma`	`clad\|Sleep: i just posted a brand new error for you in your portal ;)`
`13:11.28`	`Saroz`	`addon developers ftw`
`13:11.28`	`tekkub`	`fucking 7am meeting that was a waste of time`
`13:12.08`	`haste`	`Saroz: I believe they are putting up a PTR with Lua 5.1 and Wow 2.0, probably without the content`
`13:12.30`	`Saroz`	`ah cool`
`13:13.20`	`haste`	`slouken at least replied that "it was the plan" when someone asked for a PTR`
`13:13.51`	`tekkub`	`the big question, of course, is when? :)`
`13:13.55`	`Mikma`	`omg omg i'm so waiting for Grid to arrive :D`
`13:14.14`	`tekkub`	`Grid makes me think "Oh look a Periodic Table"`
`13:14.15`	`tekkub`	`:)`
`13:14.15`	`Mikma`	`tekkub: can you please spank Kaelten to fix the forums so i can upload my avatar there?`
`13:14.41`	`tekkub`	`kael is in his own world, only yesterday did I finally get him to configure the trac tickets`
`13:14.49`	`CIA-17`	`03saroz * r14019 10sRaidFrames/sRaidFrames.lua: sRaidFrames: Know your left from your right`
`13:14.54`	`tekkub`	`and that was mostly me giving him the ini to apply ><`
`13:15.40`	`Mikma`	`my avatar is huge because i can't upload it on board :(`
`13:15.49`	`Mikma`	`it keeps telling me that uploading is not allowed etc`
`13:15.55`	`Mikma`	`and i think that requires a mayor spanking`
`13:16.04`	`tekkub`	`yea... I know noone can attach either`
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`13:16.23`	`Mikma`	`and the funniest thing is with svn! i get a weird address :D`
`13:16.39`	`Mikma`	`http://ace.agamemnon.net/wowace/trunk/`
`13:16.41`	`Mikma`	`hehe`
`13:18.14`	`sergio`	`i'm bored to death`
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`13:18.53`	`cncfanatics`	`yo all`
`13:19.17`	`Mikma`	`sergio: fix popsicle :D`
`13:20.24`	`sergio`	`that would a. require effort b. knowledge of what the hell i'm doing`
`13:21.37`	`tekkub`	`kael fixed uploads`
`13:23.10`	`Mikma`	`good`
`13:29.56`	`CIA-17`	`03mikma * r14020 10ClosetGnome/TODO.txt: ClosetGnome: added yacoobs wish in`
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`13:36.41`	`cranvil`	`hi there`
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`13:48.20`	`Curney`	`anyone home?`
`13:48.41`	`cncfanatics`	`me`
`13:49.23`	`Grey\|away`	`my body is yes`
`13:49.31`	`tekkub`	`no`
`13:49.32`	`Grey\|away`	`my mind on the other hand....`
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`13:49.53`	`Curney`	`i am trying to clean up hooking of AddMessage. Prat is conflicting with other addons.`
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`13:50.34`	`Curney`	`it's actually code from when it was idChat2, not anything that Krtek or I added since taking it over.`
`13:54.05`	`Curney`	`http://ace.pastey.net/1573`
`13:55.37`	`tekkub`	`why the DCC CHAT Nimbal?`
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`14:03.29`	`Nightm`	`hello peeps`
`14:03.44`	`Saroz`	`ello`
`14:04.17`	`Nightm`	`how much work is updating a mod to use AceDB 2.0 instead of the old Ace DB?`
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`14:08.20`	`haste`	`not much`
`14:09.09`	`Nightm`	`hmm ok, I was gonan try to haxx up MyBindings so I can get rid of Ace 1.3.1 but I was intimidated by all the wierd code XD`
`14:13.19`	`evl`	`What was that addon that showed what tradeskills items could be used with?`
`14:14.35`	`Nimbal`	`mendeleev?`
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`14:20.10`	`evl`	`that's the one thansk`
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`14:28.28`	`Nightm`	`woah, I almost removed all my Ace Addons by missclicking in the updater XD`
`14:31.30`	`Nightm`	`Thrae around?`
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`14:40.31`	NerD`	`Hello :)`
`14:44.34`	NerD`	`Is there a ace addon to " relook " casting bar :x ? Like eCastingBar :x`
`14:46.35`	`nevcairiel`	`oCB`
`14:46.40`	`nevcairiel`	`oCastingBar`
`14:48.55`	`cladhaire`	ag`: nevcairiel: The changes to the raid code are making it in.
`14:48.57`	`Nightm`	`anyone know an easy way to make the tracking icon movable?`
`14:49.15`	`Mikma`	`i'm bored in ZG`
`14:49.17`	`Josh_Borke`	`yea, how are the changes to the UI?`
`14:49.47`	`Mikma`	`i would like to fix Popsicle but first i need to realize how can i dock/undock the chatframes so that when i undock it it will go to the previous position it was before dock`
`14:49.50`	ag`	`cladhaire: what changes? Any place I can read what's happening? :)`
`14:50.03`	`cladhaire`	`Not really`
`14:50.07`	ag`	`or is it like a convo you've had or what`
`14:50.12`	`cladhaire`	`but its allowing group filters like 1,2,PRIEST,WARRIOR`
`14:50.12`	`nevcairiel`	`cladhaire: yay`
`14:50.22`	`Mikma`	`cladhaire: i posted you a nice juicy bug on your portal ;D`
`14:50.32`	`nevcairiel`	`thats good news :)`
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`14:51.20`	`cladhaire`	`nevcairiel: makes things VERY nice =)`
`14:51.39`	`cladhaire`	`the ONLY sort method we get is by name, or raid index, but that should be more than sufficient for what we're doing.`
`14:51.41`	`Tain`	`Still can't sort by noobness though.`
`14:51.41`	`Nightm`	`ok then, anyone know an easy way to grab a framename?`
`14:51.46`	ag`	`cladhaire: lets say you have 8 anchors, and 5 of each class... the anchors will create 40 frames then. Lets say a warrior leaves and a priest joins, now you will have 40 frames?`
`14:52.05`	`Gtyrte`	`Greetings =) I was wondering if anyone of you know a addon perferably a fubar addon, that you can set to track specific items? Like mana potions, holy cnaldes resistanse potions?`
`14:52.19`	ag`	`I mean 41`
`14:52.23`	`cladhaire`	ag`: Yes.
`14:52.29`	`cladhaire`	`but thats a non issue when it comes down to it.`
`14:52.31`	`Tain`	`There's a few like that Gtyrte. Although... I don't know what they are since I haven't used them. :)`
`14:52.35`	`Josh_Borke`	`anyone played with the new UNIT_SPELLCAST_START event?`
`14:53.14`	ag`	`cladhaire: Well it's going to be using a lot of memory... Lets say that some guy changes ingame from filtering by raid group to by class`
`14:53.22`	ag`	`now you will get like 80 frames`
`14:53.58`	ag`	`imo there should be one frame pool, not a pool per anchor`
`14:54.00`	`navv`	`ohh`
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`14:54.08`	`navv`	`raid template changing then ?`
`14:54.16`	`navv`	`thats excellent news`
`14:54.46`	`cladhaire`	ag`: You're misunderstanding
`14:54.51`	`cladhaire`	`the raid headers themselves are re-used`
`14:54.59`	`cladhaire`	`you control that.`
`14:55.07`	`cladhaire`	`and frames use less memory than you think`
`14:55.18`	`cladhaire`	`and regardless, this is how its going to be for now.`
`14:55.26`	ag`	`ok`
`14:55.51`	ag`	`anyway, still not sure how to execute code on a frame just created, OnLoad isn't fired for frames created with CreateFrame`
`14:55.55`	`navv`	`hmm btw clad, do i control the layout of the raid frame?`
`14:55.55`	`cladhaire`	`its tiny in the grand scheme of things.`
`14:56.03`	`cladhaire`	ag`: Once the code is written we'lll all know.
`14:56.08`	cnc`raiding	`just execute right after ur createframe call ? :`
`14:56.12`	`cladhaire`	`navv: Not sure I understand`
`14:56.14`	`cladhaire`	cnc`raiding: You can't.
`14:56.23`	`neolith`	`hi everybody`
`14:56.24`	cnc`raiding	`hook createframe then ?`
`14:56.26`	`cladhaire`	cnc`raiding: if it involves secure frames
`14:56.31`	`cladhaire`	`again, same thing.`
`14:56.31`	`navv`	`or well nevermind, i know the answer anyhow`
`14:56.32`	`Nightm`	`please, someone? ^^ is there an easy way to get a framename?`
`14:56.37`	`cladhaire`	`the issue with the out of combat, in combat distinction`
`14:56.40`	`Nightm`	`or alist of the default frames?`
`14:56.40`	`cladhaire`	`Nightm: frame:GetName()`
`14:56.44`	`cladhaire`	`or GetMouseFocus:GetName()`
`14:56.50`	ag`	`And secondly I am still worried about addons where the user can set width, because as I see it the newly created frames won't be able to load a width other than the one from the XML.`
`14:56.52`	`cladhaire`	`err GetMouseFocus():GetName()`
`14:56.59`	`Nightm`	`hmmz`
`14:57.08`	`Nightm`	`thanks`
`14:58.47`	ag`	`So addons where users can control themes and set/change height/width like dab/aguf/nurfed is going to die, or am I wrong?`
`14:58.59`	`Tain`	`I've been using MSBT instead of SCT for a while now, I never really looked at SCT v5. Has anyone used both MSBT and SCT 5.x and have opinions on the differences?`
`14:59.01`	ag`	`because it will take an XML template and nothing else`
`14:59.02`	`cladhaire`	`you're wrong.`
`14:59.17`	`cladhaire`	`like i told you yesterday`
`14:59.28`	`Nightm`	`did anyone write a mod that uses one of those functions to output a framename on mouse-over+key?`
`14:59.37`	`cladhaire`	`~devtools`
`14:59.57`	`purl`	`i guess devtools is Iriel's DevTools, a highly useful set of debugging tools for developers on WoW. Found at http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=3999`
`14:59.57`	`navv`	`this secureraidtemplate lets you put the units into a frame and they just get anchored to some relative point one after another, right?`
`14:59.57`	`cladhaire`	`Nightm: / /dtframestack in devtools`
`14:59.57`	`cladhaire`	`navv: yes`
`15:00.05`	`navv`	`soo, fancy stuff like multiple columns will not be there, i suppose`
`15:00.06`	`Nightm`	`cladhaire devtools? :S`
`15:00.08`	`navv`	`sadness :/`
`15:00.16`	`cladhaire`	`Nightm: I just linked them`
`15:00.22`	cnc`raiding	`how does that addon detect clicks ?`
`15:00.24`	`cladhaire`	`navv: Not true, you have to be ceative`
`15:00.24`	cnc`raiding	`just wondering :p`
`15:00.32`	`navv`	`i can be that creative?`
`15:00.37`	`navv`	`oh wait, can i change the anchor`
`15:00.42`	`navv`	`between passes?`
`15:00.49`	`Nightm`	`thanks alot all :)`
`15:00.49`	`navv`	`or well between the units`
`15:01.11`	cnc`raiding	`does that work with BC ?`
`15:01.11`	ag`	`cladhaire: Yeah, I know you told me I'm wrong.. I'm just expecting the worst, as there is no place I can read up on what things will be possible with the created frames and which methods I can use`
`15:01.15`	cnc`raiding	`those devtools`
`15:01.27`	`cladhaire`	cnc`raiding: not that versino, but there's a version on wowi.
`15:01.40`	`Gtyrte`	`Thanks Tain, just need to look around abit more then =)`
`15:01.57`	cnc`raiding	`link me please? kinda busy atm :p`
`15:02.08`	`cladhaire`	`well i can't and won't sit here fending off "The sky is falling" questions. When ti comes down to it, you guys have no idea how much we've been working and writing code and fighting to make sure we're able to do what we need to be able to do. At this point, you'll get what comes out, and we'll figute it out from there.`
`15:02.13`	`cladhaire`	cnc`raiding: no, www.wowinterface.com
`15:02.19`	`cladhaire`	`burning crusade interfaces.`
`15:02.27`	`cladhaire`	`assuming i'm less busy than you are is somewhat silly =)`
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`15:02.48`	cnc`raiding	`true heh`
`15:02.49`	`Josh_Borke`	`cladhaire: morning :)`
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`15:03.38`	ag`	`as long as you promise me I can set height/width with lua on frames created by a secure raid anchor I'm happy and I'll shut up. =P`
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`15:04.21`	`cladhaire`	`i can't promise you anything, that'w shy I haven't. Regardless of what we want, what is.. is what will be.`
`15:04.38`	`cladhaire`	`I'm just here to answer questions that I'm able to, and help.`
`15:05.00`	cnc`raiding	`well, everything is working quite fine in BC, you can get around nearly everything`
`15:05.29`	`cladhaire`	`rather you have an alternate method to do anything the game designers still want you to do =)`
`15:05.30`	cnc`raiding	`for me at least :p`
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`15:05.38`	`navv`	`hm yes, i guess i can rearrange stuff outside combat clad? like do the multicolumn layout?`
`15:05.38`	`cladhaire`	`and I agree.`
`15:05.44`	`Slayma1`	`u guys recognised the flexdev team popped FB2 on the SVN ? i was kinda amused about that :D`
`15:06.00`	cnc`raiding	`that wld be me slayma1 :p`
`15:06.12`	`Worf`	`they want to make emergency monitors impossible, so changing a unitframes unit will not be possible, but i hope this only applies for "by script" and that you still can change frames on keypress`
`15:06.38`	`navv`	`dont think you can`
`15:06.47`	`Nightm`	`hmm I never realized you could turn off Tracking by rightclicking the minimap button XD`
`15:07.23`	`cncfanatics`	`slayman i'm the one that put fb2 in the svn :p`
`15:07.39`	`Slayman`	`kewl cncfanatics`
`15:07.42`	`Worf`	`navv: but why? i mean, i have hotkeys to display all kinds of stuff. just what i'm interested in. i store a view raidmembers or their targets and swap around with my hotkeys...`
`15:08.04`	`cncfanatics`	`why u find that funny anyway ? Slayman`
`15:08.16`	`Worf`	`i don't think that i do something deeply evil that needs to be banished`
`15:08.21`	`cladhaire`	`Worf: You can change ANYTHING You want.. on a non-secure frame..`
`15:08.29`	`cladhaire`	`secure meaning it can target and cast spells`
`15:08.30`	`cncfanatics`	`think u mean protected cladhaire`
`15:08.36`	`cladhaire`	`no, i mean secure.`
`15:08.38`	`cncfanatics`	`at least thats the term blizz uses`
`15:08.39`	`Worf`	`cladhaire: well, exactely`
`15:08.45`	`cncfanatics`	`protected frames, and secure functions :p`
`15:08.46`	`navv`	`well yes`
`15:08.49`	`Xuerian`	`worf: You can change anything on any frames that you can't interact with :P`
`15:08.53`	`navv`	`non-secure frames are just like before, i think`
`15:08.54`	`cladhaire`	`the templates are "Secure" templates.`
`15:08.59`	`cladhaire`	`with the attribuet protected=true`
`15:09.00`	`cladhaire`	`so they're both`
`15:09.18`	`Worf`	`sigh, i wish a view of you would try CC_Target and play with it a bit, you might understand...`
`15:09.37`	`Slayman`	`i was a fan of FB in it's early days, but it after sometime it became kinda bloated, so i turned my back on it. And the FB2 seems like me is maybe able to reunite with it`
`15:10.09`	ag`	`my problem was the amount of memory it used :)`
`15:10.28`	`cncfanatics`	`:o :)`
`15:10.34`	`Worf`	`except for the squishy support i can't see anything that is agains blizzards intentions... but i fear that quite everything will not work`
`15:10.42`	`Slayman`	`i saw in the beta enemy castbars are standard blizzard interface, do they work proper?`
`15:10.46`	`cncfanatics`	ag` it should not leak any memory (fb2)
`15:10.55`	`Mikma`	`i like that ckknight_ is playing again :D`
`15:11.02`	`Mikma`	`that means he's fixing other addons too`
`15:11.05`	`cncfanatics`	`didnt see any enemy casting bars in beta`
`15:11.13`	ag`	`cncfanatics: it was probably not a leak, it was because of the amount of frames created (I think)`
`15:11.17`	ag`	`in the xml file`
`15:11.32`	`cncfanatics`	`it was quite a leak`
`15:11.43`	ag`	`ok`
`15:11.46`	`cncfanatics`	`I create 120 frames with fb2 (tho dynamicly), and I use a fraction of what fb1 uses`
`15:12.00`	ag`	`yep`
`15:12.14`	`cncfanatics`	`might support more then 120 buttons in fb2`
`15:12.28`	`cladhaire`	`cncfanatics: They are there.`
`15:12.33`	`cladhaire`	`enemy castbars are nice.`
`15:12.37`	`cncfanatics`	`:o, didnt notice :p`
`15:12.44`	`cladhaire`	`gotta turn them on`
`15:13.00`	`cladhaire`	`itwill be trivial to write a set of heal tracking castbars for your raid.`
`15:13.28`	`Josh_Borke`	`yea, maybe someone else will write that`
`15:13.35`	`cncfanatics`	`UNIT_SPELLCAST_START rocks :p`
`15:13.37`	`Josh_Borke`	`:D`
`15:13.47`	ag`	`enemy cast bars are nice yes, and gives you an edge, but to be honest I don't think you should be able to know what spell your enemy is casting. kinda ruins pvp`
`15:13.48`	`cncfanatics`	`btw cladhaire: still only 120 actionbuttons in bc ? didnt test it`
`15:13.49`	`Slayman`	`sweet, were u already able to check if those bars take talent changes into account?`
`15:13.58`	`cncfanatics`	`they do`
`15:14.10`	`cncfanatics`	`that i'm sure, thats the way the event works`
`15:14.27`	`cladhaire`	`cncfanatics: 120 button ID's.. but those don't matter anymore.`
`15:14.34`	`Xuerian`	ag`: Wouldn't any experienced pvp'er, supposing you really were your character, be able to idenify non-instant spells at a glance or snatch of words after a little time?
`15:14.37`	`cncfanatics`	`ye, u can set spells anyway with secure templates`
`15:14.39`	ag`	`cncfanatics: do you use the button IDs at all in FB2?`
`15:14.46`	`cncfanatics`	`currently I do`
`15:14.52`	ag`	`I thought action bars had to not use IDs`
`15:14.57`	`Nightm`	`sweet I managed to fix the stuff I wanted too`
`15:14.59`	`cncfanatics`	`they dont have to`
`15:14.59`	`cladhaire`	`i personally need a button system that does use IDs`
`15:15.08`	`Nightm`	`I'm surprised every time that happens`
`15:15.10`	`cncfanatics`	`i'll include support for both`
`15:15.16`	`cncfanatics`	`time to kill razorgore, not answering till he's dead`
`15:15.53`	ag`	`cncfanatics: but that means you would have to recode all the things like placing a spell on a button, etc...`
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`15:16.29`	`Iceroth`	`will the enemy cast events tell the target too?`
`15:16.44`	`cladhaire`	`i think you get it in the event info`
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`15:17.04`	`Iceroth`	`as in, can i get a mod that makes huge flashing text in the middle of my screen when some huntard is casting scare beast on me`
`15:17.22`	`Nightm`	`gu Iceroth :)`
`15:17.23`	`Slayman`	ag`: u know real PvPers can always turn the option off, did u further knew that on an undead Warlock for example the cast animation of Fear and Shadowbolt are different? that's something most noobs don't know.
`15:17.29`	`Josh_Borke`	`is there a range on the unit spellcast events? and what exactly is the "player" paramenter?`
`15:17.29`	`Iceroth`	`moo`
`15:17.39`	`Grine`	`that's better :P`
`15:17.43`	`Iceroth`	`:)`
`15:17.47`	NerD`	`Is there a layout in Ocb to move the bar :o :x`
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`15:17.58`	`Josh_Borke`	NerD`: start casting something then drag it
`15:18.06`	NerD`	`Ok thanks :)`
`15:18.19`	`Wobin`	`/ocb unlock ?`
`15:18.23`	`Grine`	`that sucks... was better in the old version`
`15:18.31`	`Slayman`	`<PROTECTED>`
`15:18.37`	`Wobin`	`yah that one`
`15:18.53`	`Wobin`	`nini`
`15:18.59`	`Josh_Borke`	`nn Wobin`
`15:19.10`	`Wobin`	`man, I'm regressing =P`
`15:19.10`	`CIA-17`	`03neolith * r14022 10FuBar_FromAViewToAKillFu/:`
`15:19.10`	`CIA-17`	`FuBar_FromAViewToAKillFu:`
`15:19.10`	`CIA-17`	`- adding externals`
`15:19.20`	`Slayman`	`Wobin: i think switchboard is possibly raping squeenix ...`
`15:19.37`	`Wobin`	`switchboard is entirely conceptual, not operatoinal in the least =)`
`15:19.47`	`Slayman`	`that's why`
`15:19.49`	`Slayman`	`:D`
`15:19.59`	`Wobin`	`also, I can't seee how it affects squeenix`
`15:20.08`	`Wobin`	`since it creates it's own frames afaik`
`15:20.18`	`Grine`	`what is switchboard?`
`15:20.20`	`*** join/#wowace Rophy (n=Miranda@61-225-15-123.dynamic.hinet.net)`
`15:20.24`	`Slayman`	`me neither all i can say is my minimap was the old one again`
`15:20.24`	`Wobin`	`I think we need a beta flag`
`15:20.40`	`Slayman`	`switchboard is an IM for WoW`
`15:20.41`	`Wobin`	`It was my first attempt at tabbed windows`
`15:20.53`	`Wobin`	`where you could drag/drop the tags onto other windows`
`15:21.12`	`Wobin`	`it never got much past that`
`15:21.22`	`Wobin`	`and some very basic whisper catching`
`15:22.03`	`Slayman`	`i need to state my love for sprocket some more! it's mindfuckingly awesome!`
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`15:22.14`	`cncfanatics`	`damn gaim crashed`
`15:22.27`	`Slayman`	`haha mine doesn't`
`15:22.34`	`Xuerian`	`Slayman: Just hope that the secure dropdown/menu template can be made to work for sprocket, or else your romance will be rather short-lived`
`15:22.34`	`Wobin`	`xchat ftw`
`15:22.39`	`Wobin`	`anyway I gotta sleep`
`15:22.48`	`Xuerian`	`'night Wobin :P`
`15:22.59`	`Wobin`	`Sigh, love is so fleeting nowadays`
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`15:23.05`	`Slayman`	`then i have to Pox-bomb blizzard`
`15:23.07`	`Xuerian`	`So true.`
`15:23.49`	`maia`	`ping vhaarr`
`15:23.49`	`Slayman`	`or stalking their employees not yet sure what'll happen to them`
`15:23.55`	`maia`	`err`
`15:23.57`	`cladhaire`	`hunters need an "Aspect of the Dolphin"`
`15:23.58`	`maia`	`vhaarr: ping`
`15:24.17`	`cncfanatics`	`cladhaire: I'm wondering, can the menu stuff for secure action buttons show protected frames in cmbt ?`
`15:24.18`	`Tain`	`But the dolphins make me cry.`
`15:24.23`	`Xuerian`	`o_0... Shark, maybe`
`15:24.29`	`cncfanatics`	`if not its useless except to default UI`
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`15:24.30`	`Slayman`	`cladhaire: win the contest in BB once and grab that trinket`
`15:24.35`	`cladhaire`	`cncfanatics: If set up properly, they should be able to.`
`15:24.41`	`cladhaire`	`Slayman: But but but but.`
`15:24.47`	`cladhaire`	`I should win the conteston beta today`
`15:24.49`	`cladhaire`	`heh`
`15:24.52`	`cladhaire`	`but that doesn't help my hunter.`
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`15:25.05`	`cncfanatics`	`cladhaire: what u mean with set up properly ? :p`
`15:25.18`	`cladhaire`	`cncfanatics: They'll have to be properly configured outside of combat`
`15:25.20`	`Slayman`	`play a druid or priest and all your problems are gone`
`15:25.22`	`cladhaire`	`is my current understanding,`
`15:25.31`	`cncfanatics`	`hmmmm, u sure ?`
`15:25.41`	`cladhaire`	`... yes, why?`
`15:26.14`	`cncfanatics`	`cuz as I interpret the code the showMenu func I declare will be insecure`
`15:26.26`	`cncfanatics`	`and insecure code can't, normaly, show secure frames in cmbt`
`15:26.27`	`cladhaire`	`thgats not the method you'll use.`
`15:26.37`	`cladhaire`	`for anything reasonably complex.`
`15:26.40`	`CIA-17`	`03curney * r14023 10Prat/modules/ (PlayerNames.lua UrlCopy.lua): Prat: attempt to fix conflict with other addons when substituting text using addmessage. only attempt to do substitute if text string exists.`
`15:27.01`	`cncfanatics`	`how wld I do it then ?`
`15:27.07`	`Slayman`	`as a priest i can heal up to 18k in about 3 seconds! I'm so uber-cool!`
`15:27.10`	`cladhaire`	`a different template.`
`15:27.16`	`cncfanatics`	`:o`
`15:27.28`	`cncfanatics`	`i'll check the secure templates code again after raiding`
`15:27.49`	`cncfanatics`	`can u specify what template ?`
`15:28.00`	`cladhaire`	`i'm not sure its in game yet.`
`15:28.03`	`cladhaire`	`i know itsn ot.`
`15:28.37`	`cncfanatics`	`ok`
`15:28.47`	`CIA-17`	`03tekkub * r14024 10MountMe/ (ItemSwap.lua Libs/ MountMe.toc):`
`15:28.47`	`CIA-17`	`MountMe`
`15:28.47`	`CIA-17`	`* Converted ItemSwap.lua to use SEBags-2.0`
`15:28.47`	`CIA-17`	`* Cleaned out some old code`
`15:28.50`	`cladhaire`	`there are i believe two templates being added, and one being updates.`
`15:29.13`	`tekkub`	`wheeeeee`
`15:29.21`	`tekkub`	`so what to do today`
`15:29.24`	`tekkub`	`...`
`15:29.36`	`cncfanatics`	`raiding bwl`
`15:30.22`	`Ghent`	`morning all`
`15:30.29`	`Mikma`	`WOOT I DID IT! /gquit!`
`15:30.39`	`Mikma`	`i got enough of the fucking bullshit from our guildleader`
`15:30.58`	`Xuerian`	`Welcome to the singles scene, Mikma.`
`15:31.31`	`Mikma`	`Xuerian: :D`
`15:31.47`	`Mikma`	`my friends and my wife are still in the guild but they can be`
`15:31.53`	`Mikma`	`i'm happy to be guildless now`
`15:31.56`	`cncfanatics`	`what happened Mikma ?`
`15:32.18`	`Mikma`	`cncfanatics: well it's just that our GL changes rules all the time and gives loots to different persons than he should`
`15:32.27`	`Grine`	`what exactly does MountMe do?`
`15:32.28`	`Mikma`	`now he gave 2x idols on same person in 1 run`
`15:32.41`	`[1]Kebinusan`	`hmm, the bad part about being caught up on an anime series is now you need to wait for releases`
`15:33.26`	`Mikma`	`and he was generally pissing me off and telling me that i should leave because "i whine too much"`
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`15:37.42`	`Gtyrte`	`If you arent happy then it is beest to leave =)`
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`15:37.55`	`yacoob`	`it's about fun, wasn't it? :)`
`15:37.59`	`yacoob`	`This whole "game" thingy, no? :)`
`15:38.14`	`maia`	`wait, there is a game?`
`15:38.33`	`yacoob`	`Not sure.`
`15:38.44`	`yacoob`	`I must take a better look around in this "Real Life" instance`
`15:39.46`	`CIA-17`	`03thiana * r14025 10SupplyAndDemand/ (Core.lua Modules.lua):`
`15:39.46`	`CIA-17`	`SupplyAndDemand: (untested changes)`
`15:39.46`	`CIA-17`	`* Added X-S&D-Crafting`
`15:39.46`	`CIA-17`	`* Changed Core module to check if self.event is a table in case multiple trigger events are required.`
`15:40.18`	`Health`	`theehee`
`15:44.10`	`cladhaire`	`Any place I can go to mine iron ore to level up?`
`15:44.38`	`maia`	`mmh, Grid is getting better from day to day.`
`15:44.38`	`CIA-17`	`03thiana * r14026 10FuBar_FromAViewToAKillFu/: FuBar_FromAViewToAKillFu: Fixed externals since svk doesnt like the dos style pathes`
`15:44.41`	`CIA-17`	`03amethyst * r14027 10FuBar_TankPointsFu/ (FuBar_TankPointsFu.toc TankPointsFu.lua):`
`15:44.42`	`CIA-17`	`FuBar_TankPointsFu:`
`15:44.42`	`CIA-17`	`- Updated crush only does 150% damage.`
`15:44.48`	`cncfanatics`	`Grid, being ?`
`15:44.48`	`CIA-17`	`03devla * r14028 10SwapMagic/SwapMagic.toc:`
`15:44.48`	`CIA-17`	`SwapMagic:`
`15:44.48`	`CIA-17`	`- Fixed OptionalDeps in TOC`
`15:45.11`	`Thiana`	`cladhaire: Thousand Needles.`
`15:45.44`	`cladhaire`	`orly?`
`15:45.46`	`maia`	`cncfanatics: check the forums thread`
`15:45.53`	`cladhaire`	`that's too far out oft he way for alliance =/`
`15:46.09`	`Grine`	`badlands?`
`15:46.12`	`cncfanatics`	`just say in one line, about to pull vael`
`15:46.15`	`Grine`	`or is that only mithril?`
`15:46.20`	`cladhaire`	`this is why i was never a miner =)`
`15:46.46`	`tekkub`	`guess what!`
`15:46.50`	`*** join/#wowace Xuerian (n=core@12-196-151-137.psknet.net)`
`15:46.56`	`tekkub`	`It's adapt-a-mod weekend!`
`15:46.57`	`Grine`	`yuo got married?`
`15:47.02`	`tekkub`	`I have too much shit to maintain`
`15:47.08`	`tekkub`	`:)`
`15:47.32`	`Grine`	`what does that mean? :P`
`15:47.48`	`tekkub`	`you a dev or just a user?`
`15:48.09`	`Grine`	`user I guess`
`15:48.26`	`tekkub`	`then it means nothin to you :)`
`15:48.56`	`Josh_Borke`	`tekkub: lol. what mods are you giving up?`
`15:49.11`	`tekkub`	`any you're willing to take`
`15:49.17`	`tekkub`	`I can't keep up with all my shit`
`15:49.31`	`Grine`	`shuoldn't that be adopt-a-mod?`
`15:49.39`	`Josh_Borke`	`lol`
`15:49.41`	`Grine`	`or is my english sense screwed up?`
`15:49.49`	`tekkub`	`yea... o's next to a and I can't type`
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`15:50.05`	`Josh_Borke`	`that's only in dvorak...`
`15:50.12`	`tekkub`	`:P`
`15:50.18`	`Josh_Borke`	`are you using dvorak tekkub? :P`
`15:50.21`	`Thiana`	`tekkub: You only have 50 mods on the svn, you can keep up with that! ;)`
`15:50.22`	`tekkub`	`yarr`
`15:50.34`	`tekkub`	`I thought it was 52?`
`15:50.37`	`Grine`	`I could adopt teknicolor >.> and change it to not color the brackets XD`
`15:50.48`	`Josh_Borke`	`geebus`
`15:50.51`	`tekkub`	`I like the brackets colored`
`15:50.56`	`Josh_Borke`	`i can't keep track with 5 mods :P`
`15:50.56`	`tekkub`	`and tekni is complete`
`15:50.59`	`Grine`	`I know but I don't :P`
`15:51.00`	`Thiana`	`[~/src/Ace-SVN]$ grep Tekkub trunk//.toc \| grep Author \| wc -l: 50`
`15:51.14`	`tekkub`	`Grine, branch it, or use Prat's color`
`15:51.14`	`cladhaire`	`heh`
`15:51.29`	`Grine`	`it could use a list of names to always remembr for coloring imo`
`15:51.40`	`tekkub`	`I know clad wants a pair`
`15:51.46`	`tekkub`	`I'll even sign em`
`15:52.02`	`cladhaire`	`hahahaha`
`15:52.03`	`cladhaire`	`you wish`
`15:52.05`	`tekkub`	`Grine, "list"?`
`15:52.21`	`neolith`	`thiana, you fixed something with the externals of FromAViewToAKillFu - did I make any mistakes?`
`15:52.24`	`[Ammo]`	`already adopted BigWigs`
`15:52.27`	`[Ammo]`	`enough for me :p`
`15:52.35`	`Grine`	`yeah, save guildies calss in saved variables, so you don't have to open the guildframe every time you log`
`15:52.38`	`tekkub`	`frankly, tekni was proof of concept that CHATMOD was fucking bloated`
`15:52.42`	`*** join/#wowace restored (i=restored@sherman.campus.luth.se)`
`15:52.49`	`tekkub`	`I'm all for you taknig the code and making mods based off it`
`15:52.57`	`Thiana`	`neolith: Not sure if svn allows it, but svk doesnt allow dos style pathes for svn:externals. So I just switched them to unix style.`
`15:53.00`	`tekkub`	`but I like tekni to stay small and to the point`
`15:53.12`	`Grine`	`I could look into it, thuogh I won't dare post my mods anywhere XD`
`15:53.40`	`tekkub`	`uh... thought tekni forced a guild update on loadup so that it got those colors...`
`15:53.43`	`Thiana`	`neolith: ie, Libs\ -> Libs/ etc`
`15:53.49`	`tekkub`	`if not, should be added`
`15:54.02`	`neolith`	`thiana: ah, I see - sorry about that`
`15:54.34`	`tekkub`	`VARIABLES_LOADED = function() if IsInGuild() then GuildRoster() end if GetNumFriends() > 0 then ShowFriends() end end,`
`15:54.40`	`Thiana`	`neolith: No big deal. Not even sure it's an issue for people that dont use svk. And I think only kergoth and I use svk, so it's not exactly going to bother a lot of people ;)`
`15:54.40`	`tekkub`	`that should be forcing a guild update`
`15:54.54`	`cncfanatics`	`vael dead :)`
`15:54.56`	`*** join/#wowace [DiE]Celeb (n=zlkkiz@ti300720a080-2608.bb.online.no)`
`15:54.59`	`Thiana`	`cncfanatics: Grats`
`15:55.08`	`Health`	`Hooray!`
`15:55.25`	`neolith`	`thiana: i'll keep that in mind. thanks for your help :)`
`15:55.43`	`neolith`	`gz cncfanatics`
`15:55.55`	`Grine`	`wierd I was 99% sure it didn't update the guild...`
`15:56.10`	`cncfanatics`	`hoping bwl goes fast :p want to code`
`15:56.26`	`tekkub`	`just use GuildFu it'll force updates :)`
`15:56.34`	`Grine`	`I dont' even use FuBar :P`
`15:56.48`	`Grine`	`WTB bigger friends list...`
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`15:56.56`	`tekkub`	`you don't have to with most fu plugins`
`15:57.44`	`Grine`	`ok, anyway that line already exists in tekni so I dunno, I must have really bad memory`
`15:58.20`	`Health`	`maia: grid ftw!`
`15:58.31`	`Health`	`Seems hot.`
`15:59.06`	`Grine`	`was grid the raidrame thingie?`
`15:59.35`	`Health`	`Yes`
`15:59.46`	`Grine`	`okay`
`16:00.11`	`Grine`	`tekkub why does tekni have a frame?`
`16:00.40`	`tekkub`	`because it needs an event handler...`
`16:01.04`	`maia`	`gonna upload a screenie`
`16:01.19`	`restored`	`anyone here with insight into ag_UnitClass.lua ? I cant get the combat text to be displayed over the portrait.`
`16:01.25`	`Grine`	`okay`
`16:01.27`	`CIA-17`	`03thiana * r14029 10FuBar_GreedBeacon/FuBar_GreedBeacon.toc: FuBar_GreedBeacon: Fixed .toc for the Ace2 conversion spanks Tekkub`
`16:02.09`	`maia`	`the nice thing about Grid: its completely customizable. you can change everything`
`16:02.30`	`Thiana`	`Grid?`
`16:02.46`	`maia`	`here's a screenie. as you can see, not many modules are in yet:`
`16:02.47`	`maia`	`http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/6279/gridscreenmg7.png`
`16:03.00`	`maia`	`(in comparison with agUF)`
`16:03.11`	`Neebler`	`sexually provacative`
`16:03.39`	`Thiana`	`maia: How is it's memory usage compared to agUF/etc though?`
`16:03.46`	`maia`	`tiny`
`16:04.51`	`cladhaire`	`grid is great for BGs! =)`
`16:05.00`	`maia`	`not only for BGs`
`16:05.04`	`Thiana`	`Where do you get that from?`
`16:05.14`	`Josh_Borke`	`maia: you can't change EVERYTHING :P just most things. i want it to make me toast!`
`16:05.16`	`maia`	`Thiana: its a non-public alpha`
`16:05.21`	`maia`	`lol`
`16:05.29`	`Josh_Borke`	`where's my toast!`
`16:05.46`	`Thiana`	`maia: Ah`
`16:05.50`	`maia`	`well, in a later version you can completely revamp the layout. in theory you can make it use otravi unit frame layouts. or perfectraid layouts.`
`16:06.05`	`Thiana`	`maia: Your current project?`
`16:06.12`	`maia`	`plus configure any module and display of it (aggro, health, name, incoming heals, debuffs,...)`
`16:06.13`	`maia`	`ya`
`16:06.29`	`maia`	`plus pastamancer and kalamandi, who are spending insanely much time on it`
`16:07.02`	`Thiana`	`maia: Can you also add ways to have the frames hide/show in response to events like low hp/entering combat/etc? :)`
`16:07.12`	`maia`	`of course`
`16:07.14`	`cladhaire`	`maia: if you want, you could toss it up on a proptected set of the svn.. only you guys would be able to write AND read`
`16:07.18`	`cladhaire`	`just an offer =)`
`16:07.29`	`maia`	`cladhaire: we're using a svn pasta has set up for us`
`16:07.39`	`Josh_Borke`	`maia: are you talking about creating a information backend with modules being able to define the frontend?`
`16:07.51`	`maia`	`we just don't want to have it public yet as we don't want to have to deal with tons of forum messages :)`
`16:07.56`	`maia`	`Josh_Borke: exactly`
`16:08.19`	`maia`	`there's a layout class, a frame class, a sort class, a module class.`
`16:08.34`	`maia`	`actually the latter is a status class`
`16:09.00`	`Josh_Borke`	`cool`
`16:09.16`	`CIA-17`	`03tekkub * r14030 10FuBar_GarbageFu/GarbageFu.lua: FuBar_GarbageFu - Fixed a nil bug on reloadui`
`16:09.17`	`Josh_Borke`	`kinda like everyone was saying we needed to replicate the functionality of rdx :P`
`16:09.31`	`maia`	`here it is ;)`
`16:10.11`	`Josh_Borke`	`wow, the new stein feature of RDX is fugly`
`16:10.17`	`maia`	`if you want, you can write a tiny module which will highlight warriors with mortal strike debuff and unshielded`
`16:10.36`	`Josh_Borke`	`yar, that'll be nice :)`
`16:10.46`	`Josh_Borke`	`maia: your next project a replacement for HealWatch? ^_^`
`16:11.13`	`maia`	`or a module for innervates. or for whispercasts. or for incoming heals`
`16:12.08`	`maia`	`I just wish the three of us all had a BC account to use the secure frames`
`16:12.22`	`cncfanatics`	`heh, I can try out stuff for u if u want`
`16:12.34`	`cncfanatics`	`give me code and i'll try it out if u want`
`16:13.11`	`maia`	`cncfanatics: it wont work`
`16:13.20`	`Grine`	`hmm the arrows that point towards your corpse etc look kinda wierd on squeenix...`
`16:13.24`	`maia`	`it'll exactly do nothing at all`
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`16:13.49`	`CIA-17`	`03mjc * r14031 10BabbleLib/BabbleLib.toc: BabbleLib: contains both versions, so renamed appropriately in the toc`
`16:14.40`	`Kebinusan`	`I like how grid looks`
`16:14.40`	`Grine`	`tekkub: you think there's a way to get anyone who's in a certain channel nito teknicolors list?`
`16:14.48`	`Kebinusan`	`should have a mole texture though as an option`
`16:14.59`	`tekkub`	`you have to who, it's not pretty`
`16:15.11`	`tekkub`	`there's a reason tekni ignores "the masses"`
`16:15.20`	`Grine`	`:/`
`16:15.27`	`tekkub`	`and only colors people that matter :)`
`16:15.27`	`*** join/#wowace Ruinna (n=chatzill@c-71-206-215-191.hsd1.pa.comcast.net)`
`16:15.40`	`Grine`	`well people in my raidgroup matter ;)`
`16:15.56`	`Grine`	`and my friendslist is too small to hold them all :P`
`16:16.29`	`tekkub`	`raids are auto-colored`
`16:17.17`	`cladhaire`	`The new shaman color is secks.`
`16:17.24`	`Grine`	`yeah, but the raidgroup, which consist of people from like 5 guilds, has a chatchannel`
`16:17.41`	`Grine`	`which I use way more than my guildchat tbh`
`16:17.56`	`Grine`	`but I can see why the /who thing would be ugly`
`16:18.00`	`Iceroth`	`ha! i always knew AoA guild chat was boring :p`
`16:18.15`	`Grine`	`I never denied that Ice`
`16:18.33`	`Grine`	`it's the only reason I ever thought of switching guild XD`
`16:18.37`	`tekkub`	`what is the chamois color?`
`16:19.00`	`tekkub`	`oh, raid group not actual raid member`
`16:19.02`	`Iceroth`	`oh, yea, what's shaman color? palas got to keep the pink?`
`16:19.32`	`cranvil`	`shaman is pink, too`
`16:19.32`	`tekkub`	`yea... best bet would be to save a list of people you raid with in the past x days`
`16:19.42`	`tekkub`	`but I'm not gonna try to do that :)`
`16:19.49`	`Grine`	`no prob :)`
`16:20.00`	`Grine`	`if I get really bored I'll get to work on it myself :P`
`16:20.06`	`Iceroth`	`shaman and pala have the same color? :\|`
`16:20.16`	`cranvil`	`at this moment, yes`
`16:20.44`	`CIA-17`	`03tekkub * r14033 10FuBar_GarbageFu/GarbageFu.lua: FuBar_GarbageFu - Now properly updates auction prices OnFullyInitialized`
`16:20.57`	`tekkub`	`the new color :P`
`16:21.03`	`tekkub`	`I knew they were the same before`
`16:21.26`	`cladhaire`	`Mikma: http://imagelink.org/info/5416`
`16:21.50`	`tekkub`	`clad... beautiful`
`16:22.15`	`tekkub`	`so Clique's becoming more of a click-cast manager?`
`16:22.16`	`cladhaire`	`tekkub: I need an alternative for the buton on the custom screen.. but I'm really happy with where its going, thanks =)`
`16:22.28`	`cladhaire`	`tekkub: Well, that's all it was before`
`16:22.29`	`tekkub`	`will it get per-mod or per-frame settings?`
`16:22.29`	`cranvil`	`narf, haven't done enough thinking before answering -.-`
`16:22.36`	`cladhaire`	`we just have more we can click-cast in the expansion`
`16:22.44`	`tekkub`	`I mean specifics instead of a global thing`
`16:22.45`	`cladhaire`	`it'll be for ALL framers that register for click-casting.`
`16:23.22`	`Josh_Borke`	`wow cladhaire, that looks REALLY nice`
`16:23.48`	`tekkub`	`do the bindings apply to keybinds too? clique could be used to set spell binding directly :)`
`16:23.54`	`cladhaire`	`tekkub: What do you mean?`
`16:23.56`	`tekkub`	`nah... nevermind`
`16:24.02`	`tekkub`	`braidnstorming`
`16:24.04`	`cladhaire`	`You can set those up easily yourself.`
`16:24.16`	`tekkub`	`the whole directly binding spells to keys... we need a UI for that`
`16:24.22`	`cladhaire`	`i.e. SetBindingCLick("Shift-R", "PlayerFrame", "LeftButton")`
`16:24.23`	`cladhaire`	`=)`
`16:24.30`	`tekkub`	`yea that, needs UI :)`
`16:24.33`	`cladhaire`	`I suspect Flexbar, NAB, DAB will be for that.`
`16:24.38`	`tekkub`	`eh`
`16:24.40`	`FroMaster`	`Is there a way to filter Buffs by Class in PerfectRaid? Such as turn off Blessing of Wisdom on Warriors`
`16:24.44`	`tekkub`	`yea`
`16:24.56`	`tekkub`	`my brain's still damaged from 7am shitty meeting`
`16:24.56`	`cladhaire`	`FroMaster: No there isn't right now.`
`16:25.06`	`FroMaster`	`In the works? :)`
`16:25.12`	`cladhaire`	`FroMaster: I can't think of a good way to set that up`
`16:26.08`	`cladhaire`	`PerfectRaid will be using a GUI config just like Clique =)`
`16:26.23`	`FroMaster`	`I like the new one you added.`
`16:26.31`	`cladhaire`	`vomit`
`16:26.33`	`cladhaire`	`i hate dewdrop menus.`
`16:26.41`	`FroMaster`	`Its better than nothing`
`16:27.04`	`cladhaire`	`tekkub: One thing I was thinking, is you could allow click-sets per unit frame pretty easily, i.e. ClickCastFrames[SomeNurfedFrame] = "Some Click Set"`
`16:27.13`	`cladhaire`	`tekkub: Do you think that's worth it?`
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`16:28.02`	`tekkub`	`Per-plugin setting basically?`
`16:28.13`	`cladhaire`	`I'd just have to define what it means, since there's no manner of fallthrough.. so I'd have to decide how things are specified.. i.e. if "Some Click Set" doesn't have any settings, what does the addon register for?`
`16:28.23`	`cladhaire`	`cause by default there is Hostile, Harmful and Default actions.`
`16:28.53`	`tekkub`	`you could use a global setting that applies to all plugins unless a per-plugin setting overrides it`
`16:29.52`	`tekkub`	`like maybe the user wants to have a more powerful set of heals set for their focus target frame mod`
`16:30.02`	`tekkub`	`but everything else be the same`
`16:30.14`	`Ruinna`	`cladhaire: what's not to like about dewdrop menus? is there a good alternative i might use?`
`16:31.05`	`Ruinna`	`cladhaire: i actually registered a bug against DD a few days back...`
`16:31.56`	`Ruinna`	`cladhaire: its "set" semantics are a bit weird, so couldn't use it for a series of menus was trying to build`
`16:32.39`	`tekkub`	`damn cats kneeding at my thigh`
`16:34.17`	`cladhaire`	`Ruinna: They are too generic, don't look nice.. they're a nice alternative when you can't create a config UI.`
`16:34.30`	`cladhaire`	`PerfectRaid deserves it own UI, and I like the power that gives me comparativey =)`
`16:34.42`	`tekkub`	`you know what we need`
`16:34.45`	`tekkub`	`to be frank`
`16:35.02`	`mjc`	`penis`
`16:35.08`	`tekkub`	`a nice panel-based GUI that derrives it's layout from AceConsole like DewDrop does`
`16:35.11`	`[Ammo]`	`Shaman has brightblue, brighter than mages at least`
`16:35.14`	`[Ammo]`	`urgh`
`16:35.19`	`[Ammo]`	`was in my backlog`
`16:35.29`	`tekkub`	`so we can make a AceConfig GUI without changing all the ace2 mods`
`16:35.29`	`cladhaire`	`its a greenblue.`
`16:35.33`	`mjc`	`tekkub: yes`
`16:35.38`	`mjc`	`cladhaire: teal!`
`16:35.45`	`cladhaire`	`its darker than teal`
`16:35.48`	`tekkub`	`it's not easy being greenblue?`
`16:35.51`	`cladhaire`	`more like deep ocean bluegreen =)`
`16:36.02`	`mjc`	`seafoam green`
`16:36.16`	`mjc`	`tekkub: DeuceCon`
`16:36.18`	`[Ammo]`	`I think it's bbrightblue`
`16:36.23`	`[Ammo]`	`but might be my eyes :)`
`16:36.44`	`tekkub`	`Deucefig?`
`16:36.55`	`Grine`	`[Ammo] or someone post a screenie with the new shammie color plix :)`
`16:37.33`	`mjc`	`tekkub: Figaro`
`16:37.47`	`cladhaire`	`what sthe global array that has the colors?`
`16:37.56`	`tekkub`	`something similar to myBindings... addon list on left, config panel on the right`
`16:38.03`	`tekkub`	`clad... uh...`
`16:38.17`	`tekkub`	`RAID_CLASS_COLORS`
`16:38.48`	`tekkub`	`{CLASS = {r=1, g=1, b=1}}`
`16:38.51`	`[Ammo]`	`Teknicolor works fine in TBC btw tekk :p`
`16:38.54`	`Grine`	`gib myBindings Ace 2 btw ;)`
`16:39.13`	`Grine`	`I dont' dare touch it`
`16:39.18`	`[Ammo]`	`turned out Ckk had a hunter my level on Tempest Keep eu :)`
`16:39.25`	`[Ammo]`	`so we grouped up some this morning while fixing addons`
`16:39.28`	`mjc`	`checking other people's mods for library issues is an INCREDIBLE FUCKING PAIN IN THE ASS. kthanks.`
`16:39.28`	`tekkub`	`thanks ammo`
`16:39.31`	`tekkub`	`BTW ammo, http://www.wowace.com/wiki/User:Tekkub/Todo#WoW_2.0`
`16:39.42`	`tekkub`	`feel free to delete ones that are fine`
`16:40.00`	`tekkub`	`mjc, hehe`
`16:40.09`	`[Ammo]`	`oh I fixed warmup, squeenix works`
`16:40.11`	`tekkub`	`don't tell me, I got 50 addons to check`
`16:40.12`	`[Ammo]`	`I will commit warmup fix`
`16:40.12`	`Grine`	`mjc, I'll take your word for it :P`
`16:40.35`	`tekkub`	`cool`
`16:40.36`	`[Ammo]`	`LoadAddOn only takes one arg`
`16:40.40`	`[Ammo]`	`that was the problem with warmup mainly`
`16:40.43`	`mjc`	`tekkub: squeenix is ugly inside. :'(`
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`16:40.58`	`tekkub`	`squeenix was a 10-min aceing on patch day`
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`16:41.06`	`CIA-17`	`03ammo * r14034 10!!Warmup/Warmup.lua: Warmup: TBC compliancy fixes`
`16:41.07`	`tekkub`	`and everyone keeps wanting me to add shit to it`
`16:41.13`	`[Ammo]`	`yeah I deuce'd squeenix!`
`16:41.15`	`[Ammo]`	`the original`
`16:41.23`	`[Ammo]`	`then some people added stuff shrrug`
`16:41.46`	`Grine`	`what do they want added to squeenix anyway?`
`16:41.49`	`tekkub`	`yea... it does what I want, I'm not highly inclined to work on it`
`16:41.59`	`tekkub`	`moving buttons, hiding shit...`
`16:42.14`	`Grine`	`just change it to no author listed`
`16:42.27`	`tekkub`	`they still know it's me`
`16:42.49`	`mjc`	`tekkub: I want to work on it but I have trouble figuring out some of the code, since I'm so new to LUA`
`16:42.55`	`Grine`	`lol that's exactly the stuff I've been working on today after installing squeenix :P`
`16:43.04`	`[Ammo]`	`X-NOFEATURE-REQUESTS-ALLOWED: true`
`16:43.10`	`Ruinna`	`lol`
`16:43.26`	`mjc`	`heh`
`16:43.29`	`Grine`	`hehe`
`16:43.32`	`[Ammo]`	`if you want lots of featutres, use simpleminimap`
`16:43.41`	`[Ammo]`	`which is not so simple but will probably do what you want`
`16:43.46`	`tekkub`	`yea really`
`16:43.47`	`Grine`	`MInimalist is enough for me really`
`16:43.48`	`[Ammo]`	`leave squeenix alone`
`16:43.58`	`tekkub`	`the point of squee was just to square out the minimap`
`16:44.17`	`mjc`	`smm is also ugly as fuck`
`16:44.28`	`tekkub`	`ammo... thanks for the support... I might remove a lot of code from squeenix that SMM does`
`16:44.32`	`tekkub`	`:)`
`16:44.40`	`Xuerian`	`mjc: Just use a black fade border? :P`
`16:44.41`	`tekkub`	`maybe.. we'll see :)`
`16:44.46`	`mjc`	`I'd like to have a minimap skinning/moving tool.`
`16:44.50`	`Grine`	`[Ammo] there really should be a check for finished mods on the SVn, stuff that won't get more features XD`
`16:44.55`	`mjc`	`Xuerian: I like mikma's texture`
`16:45.06`	`Grine`	`so you guys don't have ppl like me requesting shit all the time`
`16:45.09`	`tekkub`	`or.. idea..`
`16:45.10`	`Xuerian`	`What's mikma's texture? o_0`
`16:45.18`	`tekkub`	`break squeenix into modules like Prat`
`16:45.32`	`mjc`	`tekkub: please do`
`16:45.34`	`tekkub`	`texture, movement, buttons, etc`
`16:45.39`	`mjc`	`http://wow.reaktio.net/Mikma`
`16:45.43`	`[Ammo]`	`can do that tekk`
`16:45.47`	`cladhaire`	`Shaman color: http://imagelink.org/info/5417`
`16:46.07`	`tekkub`	`I like that idea best, all I want personally is the texture`
`16:46.09`	`Grine`	`ty clad`
`16:46.21`	`tekkub`	`chamois is a very nice color indead`
`16:46.33`	`tekkub`	`better than that gay-ass pinkurple`
`16:46.49`	`Grine`	`I'm gonan have a hard time with that+hunter color on quick glances :(`
`16:46.55`	`Grine`	`pink ftw`
`16:47.11`	`Grine`	`why didn't they get purple btw?`
`16:47.18`	`cladhaire`	`i dunno`
`16:47.19`	`cladhaire`	`shrug`
`16:47.23`	`tekkub`	`druid color confuses the fuck out of me with raid color`
`16:47.30`	`tekkub`	`I think tekni's not coloring shit`
`16:47.47`	`Grine`	`./agree tekk`
`16:47.58`	`Grine`	`or priests in /say`
`16:48.02`	`tekkub`	`yea`
`16:48.29`	`Thiana`	`cladhaire: What makes that frame for events in http://imagelink.org/info/5416?`
`16:48.36`	`cladhaire`	`Thiana: Devtools-Alpha`
`16:48.51`	`Grine`	`devtools was awesome btw, thanks for that :)`
`16:49.15`	`Thiana`	`Iriel's Devtools?`
`16:49.20`	`Saroz`	`niiiiiiiiice cladhaire`
`16:49.25`	`Saroz`	`and DevTools <3`
`16:49.57`	`tekkub`	`noone love the Kyubi /cry`
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`16:53.27`	`CIA-17`	`03mjc * r14035 10FuBar_CorkFu/FuBar_CorkFu.toc: FuBar_CorkFu: fix missing OptDep.`
`16:54.29`	`cncfanatics`	`You are not authorized to view this file..., I get for devtools alpha -.-`
`16:56.33`	`mjc`	`tekkub: is there any way to have S&D take care of the "I have an optdep, I can't find my library, and it's disabled, but LoD" issue?`
`16:56.46`	`tekkub`	`what?`
`16:56.57`	`mjc`	`like... if I enable agUF and acelibrary`
`16:57.39`	`tekkub`	`huh?`
`16:57.43`	`mjc`	`agUF bombs with "Cannot find a library instance of Dewdrop-2.0" cause I haven't enabled it, obviously`
`16:57.59`	`mjc`	`or maybe should that be a feature of acelibrary`
`16:58.17`	`tekkub`	`all your libraries should be enabled dipshit`
`16:58.24`	`mjc`	`I know they should`
`16:58.44`	`tekkub`	`then why aren't they?`
`16:58.46`	`mjc`	`tekkub: if a mod I have can't be loaded because it's lib is disabled, it should be disabled rather than popping up a message :/`
`16:59.02`	`tekkub`	`there's no way for me to know`
`16:59.20`	`tekkub`	`simple solution: don't disable your libraries`
`16:59.27`	`mjc`	`I guess it'd have to be in acelibrary then`
`16:59.53`	`tekkub`	`<PROTECTED>`
`17:00.32`	`Xuerian`	`mjc: ... Why....are you .... disabling... lod.... libraries...?`
`17:00.46`	`tekkub`	`that's what I said like twice now`
`17:00.56`	`mjc`	`fixing mods tocs`
`17:01.01`	`Xuerian`	`~whaleslap mjc`
`17:01.08`	`purl`	`ACTION beats mjc upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh`
`17:01.08`	`mjc`	`alot of them don't optdep`
`17:01.23`	`tekkub`	`yea, and they need fixed because of exactly this :P`
`17:01.27`	`mjc`	`what I'm saying is something like "this addon depends on library x but it is disabled. would you like to enable it?"`
`17:01.48`	`mjc`	`since MCP is capable of turning on LoD addons on the fly`
`17:01.51`	`Xuerian`	`Thing is...`
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`17:02.03`	`tekkub`	`still... why are your libs disabled, period`
`17:02.05`	`cncfanatics`	`sigh, why is raiding boring me :/`
`17:02.09`	`Xuerian`	`Unless someone is trying to do something either smart or stupid (this depends on the person) theyw ill -never- encounter this`
`17:02.15`	`Xuerian`	`And if they're smart, they won't`
`17:02.43`	`mjc`	`tekkub: so I can see what mods don't optdep the right libs`
`17:02.44`	`That1Swede`	`cncfanatics, 'cause it's almost pointless if you've already seen the content since any gear you aquire will be replaced in a matter of days when BC hits? ;P`
`17:02.50`	`tekkub`	`if you unembed and then don't load the libs you will have errors, period, end of story`
`17:02.53`	`cncfanatics`	`hmmmm, might be`
`17:02.54`	`Xuerian`	`Mjc: Look in the same toc you're editing`
`17:03.01`	`Xuerian`	`It has to list the libs one way or another`
`17:03.03`	`cncfanatics`	`its just boring me totaly tho, dunno why, didn't use to`
`17:03.17`	`tekkub`	`load errors aren't good enough for finding the issues?`
`17:03.41`	`mjc`	`Xuerian: some of the mods I've encountered don't have the libs in the toc at all but they use them in their lua`
`17:03.55`	`Xuerian`	`gah.. retarded`
`17:03.58`	`Xuerian`	`What mods?`
`17:04.10`	`Xuerian`	`Ace1 mods?`
`17:04.13`	`mjc`	`tekkub: be a heck of a lot easier to check for problems if I could get it to load the next lib needed intsead of just dying`
`17:04.28`	`mjc`	`Xuerian: corkfu was one,`
`17:04.46`	`tekkub`	`and how do you intend to know what addon will load what libraries?`
`17:04.47`	`Xuerian`	`o.0`
`17:04.49`	`mjc`	`I've come across a few in the past few days`
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`17:04.56`	`Xuerian`	`If it's not in the toc you can't tell in the game`
`17:04.59`	`mjc`	`tekkub: AceLibrary("")`
`17:05.01`	`Xuerian`	`So it's a tach22 :P`
`17:05.02`	`tekkub`	`FuBarPlugin-2.0 == FuBarPlugin-2.0`
`17:05.14`	`tekkub`	`DewdropLib == DewDrop-2.0`
`17:05.19`	`Xuerian`	`s/tach/catch/`
`17:05.23`	`tekkub`	`SpecialEventsEmbed == lots`
`17:06.03`	`mjc`	`tekkub: it was missing tablet, I think`
`17:06.09`	`mjc`	`one of the ones in repairs.lau`
`17:06.12`	`mjc`	`repairs.lua`
`17:06.16`	`tekkub`	`okey... look at it this way`
`17:06.27`	`tekkub`	`AceLibrary see we need Tablet-2.0`
`17:06.33`	`tekkub`	`how does it find it to load it?`
`17:06.34`	`CIA-17`	`03thiana * r14036 10SupplyAndDemand/Modules.lua: SupplyAndDemand: Typo fixed and check that CraftFrame/TradeSkillFrame exist before checking they're visible.`
`17:06.36`	`Ghent`	`Xuerian, good coding practices always plan for the contingency of the user doing exactly what they shouldn't... (in reference to your earlier comment about how people should never run into that problem with libraries)`
`17:06.46`	`tekkub`	`AL doesn't know to use TabletLib`
`17:06.53`	`Xuerian`	`Ghent: Except the user isn't at fault here, Ghent, it's the author`
`17:07.00`	`Ghent`	`aye`
`17:07.07`	`Ghent`	`but you what you said still remains s:p`
`17:07.14`	`mjc`	`tekkub: optdep tabletlib + AL("Tablet-2.0")`
`17:07.25`	`tekkub`	`perhaps we can add a special TOC tag into standalones that aren't named exactl ylike their library`
`17:07.39`	`tekkub`	`then we wouldn't need optdeps at all...`
`17:07.55`	`mjc`	`tekkub: the standalones should be named FooLib if the lib is Foo-2.0`
`17:07.58`	`Xuerian`	`Ghent: Point taken :P`
`17:08.01`	`mjc`	`makes the most sense to me`
`17:08.07`	`tekkub`	`addon requests Tablet-2.0... AL scans TOCs for the standalone... throws error if not found, loads if found`
`17:08.08`	`mjc`	`cause then the standalones can have multiple versions`
`17:08.17`	`tekkub`	`mjc... no...`
`17:08.19`	`Ghent`	`sorry for the bad grammer`
`17:08.27`	`Ghent`	`stupid pager keeps going off :P`
`17:08.33`	`mjc`	`tekkub: SEE has both 1&2 in the LoD`
`17:08.36`	`tekkub`	`one sec let me find the thread`
`17:08.38`	`mjc`	`er, in the standalone`
`17:09.34`	`tekkub`	`http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=2633.new#new`
`17:09.34`	`tekkub`	`we have a naming scheme`
`17:09.38`	`tekkub`	`toc metadata can fix the packages and old libraries using BlahLib names`
`17:10.00`	`tekkub`	`hanestly I like the idea of AL loading a standalone if it can find one`
`17:10.35`	`tekkub`	`I'll discuss with kael and ckk`
`17:10.35`	`tekkub`	`cause it'll solve the optdep shit in one fel swoop`
`17:10.52`	`mjc`	`yep`
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`17:11.19`	`mjc`	`see the reason whwy this came up in my mind is that I'm scnaning these for my own use`
`17:11.29`	`mjc`	`but I have a lot of people on my server using my ace2 addon pack`
`17:11.58`	`mjc`	`I don't want bugreports like "oh I disabled X and I could figure out wtf Y is so I couldn't use it anymore. wtf"`
`17:12.18`	`Ghent`	`I love those bug reports`
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`17:12.49`	`mjc`	`tekkub: even if a LoD addon is disabled, it should make more of an attempt to alert you that this is the case rather than going BWAHHH`
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`17:16.25`	`tekkub`	`http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=2633.new#new`
`17:16.43`	`tekkub`	`mjc, if it's disabled it will throw an error that the addon is disabled`
`17:17.02`	`tekkub`	`we shouldn't be overriding the user's (stupid) choice to disable their libs`
`17:17.43`	`mjc`	`yeah, but it should be like "X is disabled. please enable it."`
`17:17.51`	`mjc`	`than "cannot find library blah"`
`17:17.59`	`tekkub`	`that's what I just said`
`17:18.06`	`mjc`	`yep`
`17:18.06`	`tekkub`	`but it'll still be a fatal error`
`17:18.21`	`mjc`	`be nice to have a "Load now" button on it though`
`17:18.31`	`tekkub`	`wouldn't do any good`
`17:18.32`	`Xuerian`	`Why would the user be disembedding their libs anyway?`
`17:18.49`	`mjc`	`Xuerian: a lot of people in here already do it`
`17:18.52`	`Xuerian`	`Yes`
`17:18.56`	`tekkub`	`ugh, welcome to two weeks ago Xuerian :P`
`17:18.59`	Funkeh`	`hey all :)`
`17:19.10`	`Xuerian`	`But the lot of people in here also grasp the fact "zomg I have to enable xxxxxx for xxxxx that I disembedded to work"`
`17:19.21`	`Xuerian`	`Wheras I'd expect no such thing from any 'release' user`
`17:19.24`	`mjc`	`no it's not just that`
`17:19.33`	`tekkub`	`who said we were doing this for the users?`
`17:19.41`	`Xuerian`	`Can't argue that :P`
`17:19.54`	`tekkub`	`the issue is that optdeps are becoming a big bitch to manage`
`17:20.03`	`mjc`	`Xuerian: say I want to disembed for speed, then I want to disable a bunch of addons. then say I reenable the mod I want and ace2, but a bunch of lbis are missing.`
`17:20.15`	`mjc`	`it should say "X lib is needed" or something`
`17:20.32`	`tekkub`	`mjc... you shouldn't be disabling your libs tho`
`17:20.32`	`Xuerian`	`mjc: I see the point.`
`17:20.33`	`mjc`	`er, rather`
`17:20.39`	`mjc`	`"X Lib is disabled"`
`17:20.50`	`tekkub`	`you shouldn't be disabling your libs...`
`17:20.52`	`Xuerian`	`But I've been agreeing with tekky all the time here`
`17:20.57`	`tekkub`	`why do I have to keep saying this?`
`17:21.03`	`tekkub`	`you have no reason to disable libs`
`17:21.05`	`mjc`	`tekkub: why shouldn't I? easiest way to find otu what depends on it.`
`17:21.05`	`Xuerian`	`libs are lod, there's no point to disable them even if you disembed`
`17:21.31`	`tekkub`	`hrm... but why do you need to know that?`
`17:21.48`	`mjc`	`the classic "I have 832432 libs I don't load for anything I want to kill htem" problem`
`17:22.02`	`mjc`	`I have a bunch of users that are like that`
`17:22.03`	`tekkub`	`they're LoD, you don't need to kill them`
`17:22.07`	`mjc`	`I know that`
`17:22.12`	`tekkub`	`if they're not needed they don't load`
`17:22.14`	`mjc`	`but it freaks people out for whatever reason`
`17:22.31`	`tekkub`	`fuck people, if you can't manage your libs then you shouldn't disembed`
`17:22.34`	`mjc`	`disorganized addons folder I guess, I dunno.`
`17:22.53`	`Ghent`	`lol`
`17:22.56`	`mjc`	`tekkub: it's not hard to make it say "X library is disabled."`
`17:23.14`	`mjc`	`which lets people disable to their hearts content without it blowing up i their face.`
`17:23.18`	`tekkub`	`I know it's not, but the thing still is that it's an unneded feature`
`17:23.32`	`mjc`	`error handling is an unneeded feature?`
`17:23.35`	`tekkub`	`you're just rewording an error message :P`
`17:23.47`	`tekkub`	`they still get an error message blowing up in their face`
`17:23.53`	`mjc`	`tekkub: no, it's different`
`17:24.06`	`Ghent`	`it's vastly different`
`17:24.12`	`cncfanatics`	`can someone link me to devtools alpha ? can't find it on wowi`
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`17:24.25`	`Ghent`	`an error message that actually tells the luser what's going on vs a standard developer-readable error message`
`17:24.26`	`mjc`	`"SpecialEventsEmbedMount-2.penis is disabled" is different from "SpecialEventsEmbed is disabled."`
`17:24.35`	`tekkub`	`user disables TabletLib... user gets "Cannot find instance: Tablet-2.0"...`
`17:24.48`	`Ghent`	`you think a regular player knows what an instance is? :p`
`17:24.54`	`Ghent`	`or what that all means?`
`17:25.01`	`ShadoxLX`	`cannot find tablet-2.0 is still pretty clear =P`
`17:25.07`	`tekkub`	`REGUALR PLAYERS SHOULDN'T FUCK WITH THEIR EMBEDS!!!!!!`
`17:25.07`	`cncfanatics`	`tbh, a normal user shldnt get any error msg :p`
`17:25.09`	`mjc`	`tekkub: Tablet-2.0 -> TabletLib is not clear to the user`
`17:25.10`	`Ghent`	`it's clear to us because we understand it`
`17:25.14`	`Ghent`	`tek, they shouldn't, but they do`
`17:25.22`	`Ghent`	`the world doesn't operate on what should and shouldn't be`
`17:25.24`	`tekkub`	`then it's their own problem :)`
`17:25.31`	`Ghent`	`aye`
`17:25.35`	`Ghent`	`but you can help them with it`
`17:25.39`	`tekkub`	`fuck with code, get errors, it's the way of the world`
`17:25.43`	`cncfanatics`	`why bother -.- ?`
`17:25.49`	`Plorkyeran`	`Regular users would probably fuck with thier embeds less if the prepackaged zips didn't sometimes require it`
`17:25.51`	`mjc`	`tekkub: error handling is necessary. sane error handling is elegant.`
`17:26.00`	`Ghent`	`agreed mjc`
`17:26.07`	`tekkub`	`the "prepackaged zips" are beta`
`17:26.11`	`Ghent`	`it makes Ace more user-friedly`
`17:26.26`	`mjc`	`Ghent: disagree`
`17:26.27`	`Ghent`	`and it'll help people become more comfortable with it`
`17:26.29`	`tekkub`	`I agree they shouldn't need to with anything pushed out as release`
`17:26.48`	`tekkub`	`but if they're using beta zips, they ain't regular users`
`17:26.55`	`Ghent`	`sure they are`
`17:26.59`	`[Ammo]`	`no they aren't`
`17:27.00`	`Ghent`	`people link that shit all over the place`
`17:27.02`	`Plorkyeran`	`Most ace2 mods never actually get "released"`
`17:27.03`	`mjc`	`Ghent: it makes ace report the problem in a much more direct fashion`
`17:27.04`	`tekkub`	`no, they aren't`
`17:27.08`	`[Ammo]`	`they're people who go 'ZOMG I GOTS THE NEWEST SHIT'`
`17:27.18`	`Ghent`	`no, they're people who follow links on forums`
`17:27.19`	`[Ammo]`	`and they can go drown in a pile of horse dung`
`17:27.22`	`Plorkyeran`	`The svn zip files are linked all over the place, as it's the only place to get them`
`17:27.27`	`[Ammo]`	`too bad, it's still b e t a`
`17:27.27`	`tekkub`	`Plorkyeran, you ever wonder why?`
`17:27.36`	`tekkub`	`:)`
`17:27.46`	`Ghent`	`Ammo, what's that have to do with it? :p`
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`17:27.55`	`mjc`	`we need a big giant THIS BETA WILL EAT YOUR PENIS warning`
`17:27.59`	`Plorkyeran`	`Because people don't realize that when all you offer is a beta, people will use the beta?`
`17:28.01`	`[Ammo]`	`if you want to use beta stuff, it may eat your babies`
`17:28.06`	`tekkub`	`releasing my mods adds a lot of extra maintenance I flat out don't have the time for`
`17:28.30`	`cncfanatics`	`anyone here having US forums access ?`
`17:28.30`	`tekkub`	`my shit on the SVN can and IS tweaked by other devs and "power users" to help me out`
`17:28.32`	`[Ammo]`	`so you either use it how it's brought, and don't fiddle with it, or fiddle with it and don't complain when it doesn't work`
`17:28.35`	`tekkub`	`community man!`
`17:28.49`	`Ghent`	`of course`
`17:29.00`	`CIA-17`	`03pprovost * r14037 10ClosetGnome_Switcher/ (8 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed)`
`17:29.00`	`CIA-17`	`ClosetGnome_Switcher:`
`17:29.00`	`CIA-17`	`- Complete rewrite`
`17:29.00`	`CIA-17`	`- Plugs into ClosetGnome's slash command and FuBar menus`
`17:29.00`	`CIA-17`	`- Uses modules to control behavior`
`17:29.01`	`CIA-17`	`- Druid module support cat/bear form switches`
`17:29.03`	`CIA-17`	`- Warrior module is in-progress and is NOT complete`
`17:29.03`	`nevcairiel`	`realm-queue ftl :(`
`17:29.08`	`Ghent`	`if mjc wants better error handling, can't he do it himself?`
`17:29.10`	`Plorkyeran`	`[Ammo]: So you basically think non-devs shouldn't use ace2 mods?`
`17:29.23`	`[Ammo]`	`you have absolutely not been reading what I typed`
`17:29.32`	`Ghent`	`ammo, we've been reading`
`17:29.33`	`mjc`	`Ghent: I don't understand enough of Lua and Ace yet to hack at that`
`17:29.37`	`Plorkyeran`	`There's no "non-beta" version of the mods`
`17:29.40`	`tekkub`	`and I think my users understand that my mods aren't pretty package perfect little bits that protect the user from dumping hot coffee in their lap...`
`17:29.44`	`tekkub`	`:)`
`17:29.46`	`[Ammo]`	`hehe`
`17:29.58`	`tekkub`	`those people can go to McDonalds and use CTmod`
`17:30.05`	`Ghent`	`tek: a lot of people don't even know who you are but they use your mods when they download stuff from wowi and such`
`17:30.09`	`[Ammo]`	`plorkyeran: either you use the addons as they are and don't fiddle with them`
`17:30.12`	`[Ammo]`	`don't disembed etc etc`
`17:30.14`	`[Ammo]`	`and they work fine`
`17:30.17`	`[Ammo]`	`even I don't disembed`
`17:30.18`	`Plorkyeran`	`They often don't work as they are`
`17:30.27`	`Plorkyeran`	`Half the zips don't have any embeds`
`17:30.29`	`[Ammo]`	`well too bad`
`17:30.35`	`tekkub`	`Ghent, WoWI is release, and I've not been pushing stuff out there cause I can't keep up with those people`
`17:30.44`	`tekkub`	`I love WoWI, but I just don't have the time`
`17:30.47`	`Saroz`	`Fucking heigan gauntlet`
`17:30.49`	`Saroz`	`fuck fuck fuck`
`17:30.53`	`PProvost`	`Wow... everyone is in a spectacular mood this morning, eh? WHat started this topic?`
`17:30.55`	`ShadoxLX`	`lol saroz`
`17:30.57`	`Plorkyeran`	`So you do believe non-devs shouldn't be using them?`
`17:31.04`	`mjc`	`PProvost: me`
`17:31.06`	`Plorkyeran`	`What else is "Well too bad" supposed to mean?`
`17:31.07`	`Saroz`	`worst gauntlet ever`
`17:31.24`	`tekkub`	`PP, unembedding, optdeps, and AceLibrary`
`17:31.35`	`tekkub`	`changes in store after discussing with ckk and kael :)`
`17:31.42`	`neolith`	`"this beta will eat your penis"? - lol, I really should make that a banner xD`
`17:31.52`	`Ghent`	`WHAT ABOUT ALL THE WOMEN GAMES?!`
`17:31.58`	`Ghent`	`s/GAMES/GAMERS`
`17:31.59`	`[Ammo]`	`plork: I think you should use whatever you want of the svn or the generated zips`
`17:32.00`	`tekkub`	`but the main arguement is should we give users an error that they specifically disabled a LoD library standalone`
`17:32.07`	`[Ammo]`	`but you should not complain when it doesn't work`
`17:32.10`	`[Ammo]`	`because it's not released`
`17:32.14`	`neolith`	`they obviously already tried the betas ;)`
`17:32.14`	`Ghent`	`ammo, no one's complaining`
`17:32.14`	`tekkub`	`or just leave it at "cannot find Blahlib-2.0"`
`17:32.21`	`Ruinna`	`lua question: is there a "right" way to overload a method but still recover access to the "base" object's method?`
`17:32.23`	`Ghent`	`ammo, people want help though`
`17:32.24`	`[Ammo]`	`ghent: then you don't read the forums often enough :p`
`17:32.30`	`Ghent`	`I read them every day`
`17:32.42`	`[Ammo]`	`people go zomg !!!libs and now my addons don't work anymore`
`17:32.48`	`Ghent`	`right`
`17:33.04`	`[Ammo]`	`whereas I have little to no problems at all`
`17:33.05`	`[Ammo]`	`I just svn up`
`17:33.08`	`[Ammo]`	`and leave it at that`
`17:33.18`	`Ghent`	`you're more educated than they are`
`17:33.32`	`[Ammo]`	`how educated do you have to be to do: ctrl-a, rightclick, svn update`
`17:33.32`	`Ghent`	`you understand why it doesn't work and what to do to fix it`
`17:33.38`	`Ghent`	`very educated`
`17:33.43`	`ShadoxLX`	`for a more serious question: wtf mod makes a big transparent box pop up in the middle of my screen with the contents of party chat if my character name is in it?`
`17:33.46`	`Ghent`	`else we wouldn't need 15 different pages on how to use SVN`
`17:33.52`	`Ruinna`	`noone's using WinAceUpdater?`
`17:34.04`	`tekkub`	`I use WAU :)`
`17:34.05`	`Ghent`	`or a wrap-around program like WAU to do it for you`
`17:34.07`	`tekkub`	`I loves WAU`
`17:34.16`	`Ruinna`	`tekkub: ya, noticed this the other day. looks nice!!`
`17:34.18`	`tekkub`	`only SVN checkouts in my box are mods I'm working on`
`17:34.29`	`PProvost`	`me too`
`17:34.32`	`haste`	`I don't think WAU runs well here`
`17:34.39`	`haste`	`so I just keep using my Lua version :p`
`17:34.41`	`PProvost`	`here?`
`17:34.42`	`Ghent`	`I've never used WAU :o`
`17:34.44`	`mjc`	`I use svk`
`17:34.46`	`haste`	`Linux`
`17:34.52`	Funkeh`	`tbh i prefer using the update tool not svn :P`
`17:34.52`	`tekkub`	`LAU!`
`17:34.54`	`tekkub`	`LUA?`
`17:35.03`	`PProvost`	`I've got a friend trying to get it running on mono`
`17:35.04`	`Ghent`	`I prefer straight svn myself :o`
`17:35.09`	`haste`	`os.execute hoo~`
`17:35.20`	`Ruinna`	`lol.. wild`
`17:35.38`	Funkeh`	`i think its faster :S`
`17:35.42`	`tekkub`	`well, SVN update san-externals is still the same issue :)`
`17:35.44`	`PProvost`	`haste, where did you get the Linux distro of WoW? :)`
`17:35.44`	`Ghent`	`ammo, just remember what all you said next time one of blizzard's beta starts to annoy you :P`
`17:36.02`	`[Ammo]`	`ghent: somehow it never annoys me`
`17:36.03`	`haste`	`PProvost: hoo?`
`17:36.13`	`PProvost`	`hoo?`
`17:36.18`	`Ghent`	`there's a linux distro of wow?`
`17:36.19`	`cncfanatics`	`there is no WoW distrib for linux :p`
`17:36.20`	`[Ammo]`	`and I've been coding on the beta all weekend :p`
`17:36.26`	`cncfanatics`	`use wine`
`17:36.27`	`Ghent`	`I thought you just took the files from a windows install, etc etc`
`17:36.31`	`haste`	`I'm very confused now PProvost`
`17:36.38`	`PProvost`	`Umm... me too.`
`17:36.42`	`tekkub`	`you do... and use wine`
`17:36.44`	`haste`	`you started it!`
`17:36.47`	`PProvost`	`lol`
`17:36.49`	`nevcairiel`	`there is no linux wow`
`17:36.49`	`haste`	`I use Cedega`
`17:36.51`	`nevcairiel`	`:)`
`17:36.54`	`PProvost`	`Not enough coffee yet`
`17:37.08`	`Ruinna`	`umm.. so my question about method overriding in LUA?`
`17:37.10`	`cncfanatics`	`cedega, wine, xover, all work`
`17:37.17`	`PProvost`	`Ruinna, AceHook`
`17:37.26`	`Ruinna`	`PProvost: sanks :)`
`17:37.31`	`PProvost`	`ya`
`17:37.51`	`haste`	`cncfanatics: alkyr might work also`
`17:37.56`	`Grine`	`cladhaire: I thought about a thing in perfectraid`
`17:37.57`	`haste`	`not sure how far they have gotten tho' :p`
`17:37.59`	`PProvost`	`bbl kids`
`17:38.21`	`cncfanatics`	`wine works, using it with both beta & reg wow`
`17:38.27`	`cncfanatics`	`reason I rm'd my win :p`
`17:38.30`	`Grine`	`is there really any reason to show bothe the debuff overlay and the debuff text ie Ma`
`17:38.44`	`nevcairiel`	`someone invent a cheat to avoid realm queues :(`
`17:38.59`	`cncfanatics`	`log back in after logout faster then 5 mins`
`17:38.59`	`ShadoxLX`	`queue at 1:40 on a sunday?`
`17:39.27`	`nevcairiel`	`we have like 400`
`17:39.31`	`nevcairiel`	`which is about 40 minutes`
`17:39.35`	`ShadoxLX`	`...`
`17:39.35`	`ShadoxLX`	`wow`
`17:39.39`	`mjc`	`tekkub: you get a lovely different error when a lib that depends on another lib that's disabled is depended on`
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`17:40.16`	`mjc`	`AceAddon: AceOO-2.0: Library "FuBarPlugin-2.0" does not exist`
`17:40.24`	`Ruinna`	`so what's stopping me from doing overriding like this?:`
`17:40.26`	`Ruinna`	`local openMenu = MyFuBarSnaz.OpenMenu`
`17:40.27`	`Ruinna`	`function MyFuBarSnaz:OpenMenu`
`17:40.29`	`Ruinna`	`<PROTECTED>`
`17:40.30`	`mjc`	`even though it's checked. I have to hunt down the optdeps`
`17:40.31`	`Ruinna`	`<PROTECTED>`
`17:40.32`	`Ruinna`	`end`
`17:40.34`	`mjc`	`pretty lame`
`17:41.14`	`tekkub`	`mjc... that error is still very clear thought... you need FuBarPlugin-2.0, it's not present`
`17:41.50`	`mjc`	`tekkub: but it's enabled`
`17:42.10`	`tekkub`	`uh... what's the libs we're talking about here and their states?`
`17:43.29`	`mjc`	`compostlib, dewdrop, and tablet. one is disabled. but instead of getting an error that fubarplugin-2.0 cannot load because it cannot find X,I get "cannot find fubarplugin-2.0"`
`17:43.57`	`mjc`	`the user in me wants to shake my fist at the computer and say "BUT ITS RIGHT FUCKING THERE" and the dev in me says yeah it's a dep`
`17:44.30`	`tekkub`	`the dev says don't disable your libs :P`
`17:44.43`	`mjc`	`tekkub: another example of a shitty error.`
`17:44.43`	`CIA-17`	`03curney * r14039 10Prat/modules/ (ChatFrames.lua Notification.lua): Prat: added stub file for 2 pending modules.`
`17:45.33`	`cladhaire`	`Grine: Hrm?`
`17:46.14`	`ShadoxLX`	`curney`
`17:46.20`	`ShadoxLX`	`curney: are you around?`
`17:47.08`	`mjc`	`tekkub: pleh`
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`17:47.33`	`CIA-17`	`03curney * r14040 10Prat/modules/ (ChatFrames.lua Notification.lua): Prat: set svn:eol-style and svn:keywords properties on pending module files.`
`17:48.31`	`tekkub`	`hubby says fuck the user's preference, enable the addon and load it`
`17:48.54`	`mjc`	`?`
`17:49.03`	`tekkub`	`no error needed`
`17:49.07`	`Mikma`	`meh`
`17:49.09`	`Mikma`	`7away`
`17:49.14`	`mjc`	`I don't like that`
`17:49.19`	`Mikma`	`oh look, lot's of messages for me`
`17:49.45`	`Mikma`	`cladhaire: nice one :D that picture is pretty hot`
`17:49.54`	`cladhaire`	`heh`
`17:50.10`	`mjc`	`tekkub: "load now?" button is almost the same thing except it makes the user aware that tehy did something stupid`
`17:51.07`	`Xuerian`	`How about: "Hey retard! Don't disable libs!"`
`17:51.29`	`mjc`	`Xuerian: no`
`17:51.33`	`mjc`	`there's really nothing wrong with disabling libs`
`17:51.51`	`mjc`	`effective method of figuring out how many mods you have that depend on lib X`
`17:52.31`	`Grine`	`clad: nvm :P`
`17:53.35`	`tekkub`	`"load now" won't work`
`17:53.46`	`tekkub`	`the dependant mod has already fatally died`
`17:54.27`	`tekkub`	`mjc... doing a simple search on you addon folder is a much better way of finding depenent mods...`
`17:54.50`	`tekkub`	`and most text editors have that built in`
`17:55.01`	`cladhaire`	`windwos has it built in nub`
`17:55.24`	`tekkub`	`windows's blows tho`
`17:55.31`	`tekkub`	`aside from finding deps, I see no other reason to disable a lib`
`17:56.51`	`maia`	`plus, this discussion is growing old.`
`17:57.13`	`tekkub`	`very`
`17:57.59`	`tekkub`	`you brought up good points, I will discuss wit kael about adding them to AceLibrary... but the majority vote is don't disable your standalone libs :P`
`18:02.35`	`[FH]Birdemani`	`will this naming convention help while using WUA and standalones?`
`18:03.00`	`tekkub`	`the AceLibrary changes will, yes`
`18:04.33`	`cncfanatics`	`cladhaire:`
`18:04.56`	`cncfanatics`	`Why does SetBindingClick take a function name instead of the function object ? kinda fucks me up cuz my frames have no name`
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`18:06.57`	`cladhaire`	`cncfanatics: So name them?`
`18:07.11`	`cladhaire`	`im not sure why there's a restriction, but there's no issue with naming your buttons.`
`18:07.44`	`cncfanatics`	`just don't like globals, just me I guess :p`
`18:09.05`	`cncfanatics`	`the fact I don't need named frames except for that one func probably one of the reasons :p`
`18:09.17`	`cladhaire`	`well i prefer to not have them as well`
`18:09.18`	`cladhaire`	`shrug`
`18:09.23`	`cncfanatics`	`heh :p`
`18:09.38`	`cncfanatics`	`can u post on the 2.0.0 changes the question why its like that and if it can be changed ?`
`18:13.58`	`Josh_Borke`	`hola again`
`18:14.54`	`[Ammo]`	`cladhaire: is the clique tbc version somewhere in branches?`
`18:14.55`	`cncfanatics`	`hello`
`18:14.59`	`[Ammo]`	`or just on your drive, and zipped on wowi?`
`18:16.12`	`cladhaire`	`no`
`18:16.14`	`cladhaire`	`its on wowi.`
`18:16.16`	`cladhaire`	`and on my svn`
`18:16.29`	`cladhaire`	`and i haven't released the new version, why?`
`18:19.04`	`[Ammo]`	`just wanted to try it out`
`18:19.11`	`[Ammo]`	`nothing special`
`18:19.23`	`cladhaire`	`whats your email?`
`18:19.30`	`cladhaire`	`actually`
`18:20.08`	`cncfanatics`	`What can MouseButton in the SetBindingClick be ? (the third optional argument), "LeftButton" doesn't work`
`18:20.36`	`cladhaire`	`probably 1,2,3,4,5`
`18:20.52`	`[Ammo]`	`wouter@muze.nl`
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`18:21.13`	`Grine`	`moahaha [Ammo] pron spam incomming`
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`18:21.16`	`cncfanatics`	`what button does each nymber sympobyle ?`
`18:21.23`	`cncfanatics`	`symbolize* number*`
`18:21.30`	`cncfanatics`	`dutch :o me too`
`18:24.05`	`That1Swede`	`cncfanatics, left, right, middle, sideleft, sideright?`
`18:24.16`	`That1Swede`	`I believe that's the 'default'.`
`18:24.34`	`cncfanatics`	`ok, thanks :)`
`18:25.13`	`cncfanatics`	`oh, and btw, someone explain what assert does ? can't find decent doc about that function anywhere :p`
`18:25.17`	`cncfanatics`	`please :)`
`18:25.41`	`Josh_Borke`	`assert raises an error`
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`18:25.57`	`Josh_Borke`	`like the error frames when you try to reference nil or something along those lines`
`18:26.09`	`cncfanatics`	`ain't that the second param ?`
`18:26.36`	`yacoob`	`bah, I missed moonsorrow`
`18:26.39`	`cncfanatics`	`nvm, found good doc`
`18:28.33`	`Josh_Borke`	`the manual just says assert returns the second param unless the first param is false/nil`
`18:28.56`	`cncfanatics`	`the other way around actualy`
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`18:29.10`	`cncfanatics`	`it prints the error only if the first param evaluates to false`
`18:29.57`	`Josh_Borke`	`ah, yes, i should have said it returns the first parameter unless it is false :D`
`18:31.26`	`Slayman`	`lol Patchwerk my ass`
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`18:34.27`	`Grine`	`clad: how does the custom sorting in PRaid work?`
`18:35.14`	`nevcairiel`	`dont ask how, it just does :)`
`18:35.58`	`Grine`	`well it doesn't unless you know how to use it :P`
`18:36.12`	`maia`	`haha`
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`18:44.47`	`Grine`	`can someone explain how it works maybe? or link to something that explains it`
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`18:47.21`	`Grine`	`for example I want it to sort first by class and then sort by group inside the classes`
`18:47.58`	`cncfanatics`	`god, I hate how in lua {} == {} will evaluate to false`
`18:48.14`	`Josh_Borke`	`that's because they are different tables...`
`18:48.29`	`cncfanatics`	`in most languages they're the same table`
`18:48.42`	`cncfanatics`	`confuses me a bit :p`
`18:49.29`	`Josh_Borke`	`well, i only really remember C as my other language (and a little perl) and it's that way too in so far as i can remember :D`
`18:49.42`	`Josh_Borke`	`and well, let's just say i can't remember what i had for breakfast yesterday...`
`18:49.51`	`gngsk\|`	`donuts`
`18:50.09`	`cncfanatics`	`in php {} is the same as {} :p`
`18:50.13`	`cncfanatics`	`quite handy for comparing tables to eachother`
`18:51.11`	`Josh_Borke`	`clad's making babies o.O`
`18:51.37`	`haste`	`cncfanatics: I'm very glad stuff isn't like PHP`
`18:52.04`	`cncfanatics`	`why ?`
`18:52.12`	`cncfanatics`	`comparing tables is something not possible in lua :/`
`18:52.21`	`Mikma`	`well tomorrow i will fix popsicle :P`
`18:52.31`	`Mikma`	`i'm too lazy to do it today`
`18:52.36`	`Josh_Borke`	`cncfanatics: you have to write your own table comparator`
`18:52.54`	`Josh_Borke`	`lua just does a reference comparison`
`18:57.46`	`kergoth`	`right, the default == is by object identity, not contents`
`18:58.15`	`Josh_Borke`	`you could use a metatable to define the == comparator, yes?`
`18:58.20`	`kergoth`	`yes`
`18:58.38`	`Saroz`	`http://www.rdx-raid.com/`
`18:59.02`	`Mikma`	`ban that address from internet!!11oneone`
`18:59.03`	`Josh_Borke`	`yes, i think the new stein feature is dumb`
`18:59.17`	`Josh_Borke`	`and just leads to more confusion`
`18:59.53`	`Saroz`	`it looks like shit ye`
`19:00.15`	Funkeh`	`oRA2+PR will do me fine thanks`
`19:00.36`	`maia`	`Skein is somewhat strange`
`19:00.42`	Funkeh`	`i wouldnt pay for a mod =)`
`19:00.45`	`maia`	`but I'm not objective on that.`
`19:01.28`	`CIA-17`	`03cncfanatics * r14041 10FlexBar2/ (FlexBar2_Controller.lua FlexBar2_Model.lua FlexBar2_View.lua): FlexBar2: Finalized keybindings code (fb2 keybindings will not be added to the keybindings list though)`
`19:02.28`	`Grine`	`what's it do maia?`
`19:02.44`	`Mikma`	`maia: 1 day to grid? :D`
`19:02.48`	`maia`	`Grine: check the rdx website`
`19:03.20`	`maia`	`Mikma: doubt it. kala hasnt added the priority engine for modules yet, and the config UI is quite a mess too.`
`19:03.25`	`maia`	`probably mid-week`
`19:03.26`	`Grine`	`ah ok`
`19:03.47`	`Mikma`	`maia: doesn't matter actually anymore since i quit from guild today :)`
`19:03.54`	`Grine`	`wouldn't it be easier to just make a frame next to the sorted frame which points a big red arrow to the most damaged target?`
`19:04.01`	`maia`	`Mikma: us or eu?`
`19:04.04`	`Mikma`	`maia: eu`
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`19:04.08`	`maia`	`hrm`
`19:04.25`	`maia`	`otherwise I would have invited you to my guild, if you'd want to transfer servers`
`19:04.38`	`Mikma`	`i guess you're on pvp us? ;)`
`19:04.56`	`maia`	`pve`
`19:05.12`	`Mikma`	`transfer is an option always :P`
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`19:05.22`	`Mikma`	`i got so sick an tired of the fucking stupid GL we had`
`19:05.35`	`Mikma`	`last thing he said to me was "free free to quit the guild"`
`19:05.40`	`Mikma`	`so i did haha`
`19:05.52`	`maia`	`did he really say "free free"?`
`19:05.53`	`maia`	`;p`
`19:06.05`	`maia`	`free free quit quit guild`
`19:06.06`	`Mikma`	`sorry`
`19:06.08`	`Mikma`	`feel free`
`19:06.15`	`Grine`	`guild guild`
`19:06.22`	`Mikma`	`watching Big Brother at the same time`
`19:06.25`	`maia`	`quit free to feel guild`
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`19:06.52`	`Mikma`	`well anyways he was a scottish prick :P`
`19:07.17`	`Mikma`	`that was the second time he said to me that i should quit`
`19:07.35`	`Mikma`	`so i did. now i don't have to take shit from him anymore`
`19:09.16`	`CIA-17`	`03thiana * r14042 10ClosetGnome_Switcher/: ClosetGnome_Switcher: Fixed externals`
`19:09.28`	`grzesieq`	`what server? :)`
`19:09.34`	`Mikma`	`nordrassil`
`19:09.50`	`grzesieq`	`pvp or pve?`
`19:09.52`	`Mikma`	`pve`
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`19:10.15`	`maia`	`if you like to play horde, you wont want to roll pvp`
`19:10.25`	`grzesieq`	`if you can transfer from pve to pve apply to my guild :P`
`19:10.28`	`maia`	`just just get zerged to death`
`19:10.44`	`maia`	`s/just/you/`
`19:10.51`	`maia`	`thanks, purl`
`19:10.58`	`Mikma`	`maia: lawl you did a same mistake ;)`
`19:11.06`	`maia`	`ya :)`
`19:11.21`	`Mikma`	`we rule.`
`19:11.28`	`maia`	`I should put you on my ignore list. you're a bad influence`
`19:11.36`	`Mikma`	`whee!`
`19:11.43`	`Mikma`	`i have that effect on people :D`
`19:12.09`	`grzesieq`	`i want a sever with a good pvp community`
`19:12.21`	`grzesieq`	`like frostmane`
`19:12.43`	`kergoth`	`if any rogues are around, i could use an opinion on http://www.wowhead.com/?talent-bc=fGxcoEMoVziohfZV0g`
`19:14.34`	`maia`	`what Skeim might be nice though is visualize which healer is healing who`
`19:14.58`	`Josh_Borke`	`true. but what about for AoE heals?`
`19:15.17`	`maia`	`same`
`19:15.20`	`Saroz`	`true maia`
`19:15.21`	`cncfanatic1`	`those are partywide right ? trackable too`
`19:15.22`	`Saroz`	`true true`
`19:15.25`	`maia`	`just draw a line to all 5 units in the group`
`19:15.36`	`Josh_Borke`	`imagine all the lines that 2 priests casting PoH would create`
`19:15.47`	`cncfanatic1`	`thats why u can set it for ur grp only :p`
`19:15.53`	`maia`	`Josh_Borke: Skeim lets you only show the most important lines`
`19:16.00`	`CIA-17`	`03flyflame * r14043 10BigWigs/Naxxramas/Heigan.lua: BigWigs: zhCN localization update`
`19:16.11`	`cncfanatic1`	`ur grp and the MT being considered the most important ?`
`19:16.26`	`maia`	`Josh_Borke: basically I'd just like to review such a display after a boss fight, to see if healers really healed who they were supposed to heal`
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`19:25.31`	`Slayman`	`kergoth: if ur going for daggers then imp S&D is not the best choice`
`19:26.22`	`kergoth`	`currently i'm combat swords, was combat daggers before this.. but i dont like the new combat tree, lots of survivability, not much increased raid dps.. so i'm thinking of switching back to a dagger build`
`19:26.28`	`CIA-17`	`03toadkiller * r14044 10AutoBar/AutoBar.toc:`
`19:26.28`	`CIA-17`	`Autobar:`
`19:26.28`	`CIA-17`	`still trying to get a working TOC for the wiki`
`19:26.56`	`kergoth`	`suppose i should put those 3 points from imp s&d .. maybe 2 into murder and one into imp poison`
`19:27.34`	`Slayman`	`i don't know if i would dagger with points in combat at all`
`19:29.00`	`Slayman`	`but finally, you know, any specc is lacking, even though Mutilate sounds awesome`
`19:29.24`	`kergoth`	`hm?`
`19:29.29`	`kergoth`	`you'd dagger without imp backstab?`
`19:29.37`	`kergoth`	`though maybe i wont use it as much once i have mutilate`
`19:29.37`	`Slayman`	`additionally u really don't need imp Backstab if mutilate has no cd`
`19:29.41`	`kergoth`	`heh :)`
`19:29.54`	`kergoth`	`still thinking in normal wow terms, not yet in the bc mindset`
`19:30.21`	`Saroz`	`Hrm, I get an error when I load up oSkin`
`19:30.34`	`Saroz`	`yOfs is nil, line 185, core.lua`
`19:32.25`	`Slayman`	`ya me too`
`19:32.41`	`Slayman`	`kergoth keep in mind Shiv, especially for Mutilate!`
`19:33.11`	`chuckg_`	`If someone is using Localization or Babble, whatever, has the method defined: L"Word"`
`19:33.15`	`Slayman`	`it applys offhandpoison 100% so u will gain the bonus of poisoned targets fot muti :D`
`19:33.23`	`chuckg_`	`How would you use a variable instead of a quoted word? L"some.var"`
`19:33.24`	`chuckg_`	`?`
`19:33.42`	`cncfanatic1`	`L["some.var"]`
`19:34.25`	`chuckg_`	`Without quotes?`
`19:34.31`	`cncfanatics`	`with quotes`
`19:34.33`	`chuckg_`	`That would take it as a string literal in quotes...`
`19:34.43`	`cncfanatics`	`without quotes I mean :p`
`19:35.09`	`kergoth`	`Slayman: yeah, i was thinking about that... is remorseless attacks worth getting? now that i'm moving points out of combat i can get imp ambush, so that extra crit from remorseless attacks might be more than is necessary`
`19:35.47`	`chrisa`	`[Ammo]: ping`
`19:36.33`	`Grine`	`are you going for raid dps kergoth?`
`19:36.43`	`kergoth`	`thats the goal, yep`
`19:37.03`	`kergoth`	`i should find some pages with some good numbers ont his stuff`
`19:37.09`	`[Ammo]`	`chrisa: poing`
`19:37.10`	`Grine`	`then imp ambush isn't very useful`
`19:37.51`	`kergoth`	`thats true, openers from stealth arent that helpful in raids`
`19:37.53`	`Grine`	`since you'll only do 1 ambush/fight it adds like 700 damage only`
`19:38.48`	`kergoth`	`maybe i'll go 2 in sleight of hand and 2 in serrated blades`
`19:39.22`	`Grine`	`what else did you get in sub?`
`19:39.58`	`kergoth`	`opportunity, naturally, and i had taken initiative and camoflauge`
`19:40.01`	`kergoth`	`(sp?)`
`19:40.02`	`ruinna`	`so anyone have an opinion on Tablet's lack of slider and color swatch "lines"? should Dewdrop's support for these be pushed into Tablet?`
`19:40.04`	`Slayman`	`elusiveness are 2 very worthy points in and out of raids`
`19:40.30`	`Grine`	`can't see any reason to go deeper than 5 points in sub for raid DPS`
`19:40.44`	`Slayman`	`u can go for hemo`
`19:40.50`	`Grine`	`Elusiveness is ok I guess but I'd rather have damage`
`19:41.02`	`Grine`	`sry, I meant for a dager rogue`
`19:41.07`	`Slayman`	`as a replacement for SS it'll do the same raid dps wise`
`19:41.44`	`kergoth`	`i wont be going hemo, dagger build, the farthest i'd go in subtlety is serrated blades, just wondering if its worthwhile`
`19:41.44`	`Grine`	`not with a dagger`
`19:41.44`	`Slayman`	`dagger rogues have the hardest time in decision where to spend points`
`19:41.58`	`[FH]Birdemani`	`whoever updated locationfu today broke it slightly, keep getitng lua:402 attempt to call method "get continent"(a nil value)`
`19:42.03`	`chrisa`	`[Ammo]: Is there a way to force a start event within BigWigs? I'm making some changes to a couple of the modules but aside from going to the instance I haven't seen a way to fake it into thinking I've engaged so I can test in IF or such`
`19:42.19`	`Grine`	`not that hard really`
`19:42.49`	`Grine`	`as long as you know what you want to do ofc`
`19:43.56`	`Mikma`	`what shall we do?`
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`19:51.02`	`[Ammo]`	`chrisa: what changes?`
`19:51.10`	`[Ammo]`	`chrisa: and no you'll have to drytest it`
`19:52.37`	`[Ammo]`	`chrisa: you could trigger a BossEngaged sync though`
`19:52.39`	`[Ammo]`	`manually`
`19:52.50`	`chrisa`	`Just adapting the 4hm module to our own strat, nothing major`
`19:53.03`	`[Ammo]`	`there should be no strat info in $H module`
`19:53.07`	`[Ammo]`	`it should be strat free`
`19:53.11`	`[Ammo]`	`if it isn't I'll strip it out`
`19:53.15`	`[Ammo]`	`or are you just adding stuff?`
`19:53.19`	`chrisa`	`Adding`
`19:53.21`	`[Ammo]`	`ok`
`19:54.36`	`[Ammo]`	`I know Vhaarr aka rabbit was working on BigWigs_HorseWhisperer`
`19:54.41`	`[Ammo]`	`not sure how far he got with it though`
`19:54.56`	`Saroz`	`lol @ name`
`19:54.57`	`Saroz`	`haha`
`19:55.36`	Funkeh`	`ok confirmed now, res r5 via blizz bar, appears in monitor, r54321 via spellbook dont show. oRA2 btw`
`19:55.59`	`grzesieq`	`haha`
`19:56.03`	`grzesieq`	`my ui just disappeared`
`19:57.50`	`Mikma`	`grzesieq: hope you don't use popsicle? :D`
`19:57.52`	`[Ammo]`	Funkeh`: I think I forgot some hooks :p
`19:58.01`	`[Ammo]`	Funkeh`: but haven't had to time to fix it yet
`19:58.12`	`cncfanatics`	`hooking blizz stuff is god damn anoying`
`19:58.18`	`cncfanatics`	`slightly diff functions used all time`
`19:59.05`	`[Ammo]`	`it's easy`
`19:59.08`	`[Ammo]`	`I'm just lazy`
`19:59.14`	`[Ammo]`	`and didn't really look through it all that much`
`19:59.18`	`cncfanatics`	`its easy yes, but just too much hassle :p`
`19:59.22`	`[Ammo]`	`naah`
`19:59.24`	`[Ammo]`	`not even that`
`19:59.27`	`[Ammo]`	`I R teh lazy`
`20:00.11`	`cncfanatics`	`hooking some functions (read: functions that get called 24 times instead of 1) is a PAIN`
`20:00.41`	`Mikma`	`atleast in popsicle i had a problem of UI disappearing when pressing m twice (WorldMap)`
`20:00.47`	`Mikma`	`and out of raid`
`20:01.16`	`Mikma`	`well and now it's broken :D`
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`20:01.23`	`Mikma`	`hi maia`
`20:01.28`	`Mikma`	`code grid.`
`20:01.34`	`maia`	`hey`
`20:01.42`	`[Ammo]`	`grid is coded (somewhat) :p`
`20:02.15`	`CIA-17`	`03thisterhall * r14045 10XAD/Plugins/ (HealthPotions.lua MERPotions.lua): XAD - Upped the cooldown timer on Health/mana stones for 120 to 121 to be sure they re appear on the buttons when the cooldowns expire.`
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`20:03.57`	Funkeh`	`[Ammo]: slacker! =P`
`20:04.25`	`Mikma`	`maia: will grid have same functions as squishy in?`
`20:04.43`	`maia`	`such as?`
`20:05.01`	Funkeh`	`[Ammo]: get yer but moving its frustrating enough ressing the same as others ;-)`
`20:05.09`	`Mikma`	`aggroalert and target the lowest health/ most needed for healing`
`20:05.21`	`Mikma`	`and, will TBC disable that feature?`
`20:05.22`	Funkeh`	`btw anyone seen this? http://www.warcraftmovies.com/stream.php?id=29640`
`20:05.48`	`maia`	`aggro will be shown. incoming heals too (not done yet). priority code: probably sooner or later. targetting: never (blizzard doesnt allow it)`
`20:06.26`	`vhaarr`	`maia: pong`
`20:06.36`	`maia`	`vhaarr: yes please?`
`20:06.40`	`Mikma`	`maia: so TBC will disable it`
`20:06.47`	`vhaarr`	`maia: you pinged me at 17:16`
`20:06.54`	`vhaarr`	`or 17:24`
`20:07.11`	`vhaarr`	`I just got home from work :)`
`20:07.13`	`maia`	`vhaarr: eww, thats like 5 hours ago. no idea what I wanted to ask you.`
`20:07.16`	`vhaarr`	`hehe`
`20:07.19`	`vhaarr`	`no worries then :D`
`20:07.27`	`grzesieq`	`Mikma: i do :)`
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`20:07.41`	`Mikma`	`grzesieq: and you were out of raid/party and pressed M ...`
`20:07.57`	`grzesieq`	`haha`
`20:07.58`	`grzesieq`	`i did`
`20:08.07`	`Mikma`	`yeah :P that's the bug i was talking about`
`20:08.13`	`Mikma`	`whole UI disappears`
`20:08.25`	`grzesieq`	`priest an lock t4 are imba btw`
`20:08.34`	`Mikma`	`i haven't been able to solve that one actually`
`20:08.38`	`Mikma`	`it's pretty damn hard one`
`20:09.35`	`grzesieq`	`priest t4 on a bloodelf priest looks like a char from final fantasy :P`
`20:11.53`	ag`	`that RDX skein doesn't look useful, I'm sorry`
`20:11.57`	`Mikma`	`if ANYONE has experience on FloatingCombatFrame and it's functions, chat with me :D`
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`20:12.50`	`Mikma`	`i seem to have problems with FCF_DockFrame() and FCF_UnDockFrame ...`
`20:13.02`	`Mikma`	`after undocking the chatframe i need to move it to the position it was before docking :P`
`20:13.12`	`Mikma`	`and i'm not sure can that be done without saving the position`
`20:17.36`	`CIA-17`	`03rabbit * r14046 10BigWigs_RazuviousAssistant/BigWigs_RazuviousAssistant.lua: BigWigs_RazuviousAssistant: frFR and part deDE translations.`
`20:18.10`	`maia`	`rabbit, is it you who wrote the BW_RespawnTimers?`
`20:18.14`	`kergoth`	`do all our talents get refunded when we go to bc?`
`20:18.19`	`BoltR`	ag`, is there a way to truncate target names? Some monsters with really long names overlap the HP on the bar. This happens even worse if portraits are enabled
`20:19.02`	ag`	`BoltR: go into the theme and adjust the name string width`
`20:19.07`	ag`	`you can also just use the width slider`
`20:19.32`	`BoltR`	`Ok`
`20:19.53`	`vhaarr`	`maia: yes`
`20:20.26`	`kergoth`	`vhaarr: you should add the ability to right click on a respawn timer to get rid of it, the way you can with chronometer bars`
`20:20.27`	`maia`	`vhaarr: I like them - but what I dont like is having 15 respawn bars in the middle of my screen for 2 hours.`
`20:20.30`	`kergoth`	`for ones you no longer care about`
`20:20.42`	`kergoth`	`you dont need them in the middle of your screen.. i moved my bigwigs bars to the right side myself`
`20:21.03`	`maia`	`kergoth: I want the 'real' boss alerts in the middle of my screen though`
`20:21.31`	`maia`	`probably it would be nice to have a seperate frame for the cooldown timers which we could move/scale independent of the boss alert frames`
`20:21.58`	`kergoth`	`thatd be cool`
`20:22.03`	`Worf`	`i totally agree with maia`
`20:22.14`	Funkeh`	`vhaarr: i dont know if you noticed this problem with raz assist sometimes, where targeting a mob for example with a 5second bar left, will refresh it to 60`
`20:22.29`	`vhaarr`	`maia, kergoth: yeah, I know it has issues`
`20:22.40`	`maia`	`and I'd prefer to only have one warning per respawn, but 60sec ahead.`
`20:22.41`	`vhaarr`	`:(`
`20:22.47`	`vhaarr`	Funkeh`: indeed
`20:22.51`	`vhaarr`	Funkeh`: Tell me how to fix it.
`20:23.16`	`maia`	`a 10sec warning and a "respawned" warning is a bit too much. especially when you're fighting a boss and all of a sudden you broadcast respawns from far away to the entire raid :)`
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`20:23.26`	Funkeh`	`vhaarr: no idea :D`
`20:23.39`	`vhaarr`	`maia: I agree`
`20:23.42`	Funkeh`	`vhaarr: checked it myself and dont understand it`
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`20:28.15`	`BrandX`	`nevcairiel: ping`
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`20:32.04`	`vhaarr`	`maia, kergoth: Feel free to fix RespawnTimers, I don't do MC and maybe AQ once a month, so it's hard for me to test them properly.`
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`20:32.26`	`mjc`	`kergoth: boing.`
`20:32.44`	`vhaarr`	`maia, kergoth: What it needs is just a separate bar anchor and options for timing each mob.`
`20:32.56`	`vhaarr`	`And possibly click-to-remove, but I'm not sure how compatible that will be with 2.0.`
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`20:33.19`	`Xuerian`	`Click to remove should be fine as long as it doesn't try to do any targeting.`
`20:33.22`	`mjc`	`and a method to broadcast to raid say`
`20:33.25`	`mjc`	`well, to /raid`
`20:33.30`	`maia`	`vhaarr: to be honest, I'm focusing on Grid these days - but maybe someone else wants to take care of it`
`20:33.38`	`vhaarr`	`I hope so.`
`20:33.54`	`vhaarr`	`It's pretty much orphaned, I wrote it "for Devla" to show that it was possible and easy to do.`
`20:34.33`	`nevcairiel`	`BrandX: raiding atm`
`20:35.40`	`mjc`	`vhaarr: I like the idea but my comprehension of Lua and available free time = problem`
`20:35.56`	`vhaarr`	`:/`
`20:36.05`	`vhaarr`	`I'll make a post about it.`
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`20:36.36`	`mjc`	`vhaarr: code comments woul dhelp a lot.`
`20:36.47`	`vhaarr`	`indeed, I'll throw in a few`
`20:37.04`	`vhaarr`	`err`
`20:37.22`	`vhaarr`	`clicking the wysiwyg buttons for forum posts still don't work`
`20:37.36`	`mjc`	`heh`
`20:37.41`	`Xuerian`	`jaja, bbcode js ish dead :P`
`20:39.34`	`evl`	`!notes Grid`
`20:39.36`	`CIA-17`	`03bordeaux * r14047 10BananaBar2/ (25 files in 4 dirs): BananaBar2: Initial Addon upload to SVN (Pre Beta)`
`20:40.00`	`mjc`	`heh`
`20:41.26`	`Mikma`	`anyone familiar with SetUserPlaced ?`
`20:41.58`	`mjc`	`haha`
`20:42.05`	`vhaarr`	`http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=2647.0`
`20:42.20`	`vhaarr`	`maia ^`
`20:42.58`	`maia`	`perfect!`
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`20:45.26`	`haste`	`ah, love C'Thun`
`20:46.00`	`haste`	`You hear the raid leader say "please keep moving to a minimum, so we don't have any ninja pulls", two seconds later you see: C'Thun enganged`
`20:46.22`	`BoltR`	`And then you all die`
`20:48.37`	`mjc`	`haste: "Please keep moving to minimum, so we..." "C'thun engaged" "fuck."`
`20:49.00`	`mjc`	`I had a ninja pull on broodlord on thursday :(`
`20:49.07`	`haste`	`so great, our raid leader.. when he get's annoyed - he talks sooo calm`
`20:49.09`	`haste`	`it's scary :D`
`20:49.14`	`mjc`	`destealthed by accident and aggroed him`
`20:49.30`	`haste`	`we had a warrior that WALKED out into the entrance`
`20:49.43`	`haste`	`"Oh sorry, I alt-tabbed and... suddenly"`
`20:50.02`	`mjc`	`haha`
`20:50.53`	`[FH]Birdemani`	`got one better for you, on 4H we have three dead, Sir Zeliek is at 2% and some mage pulls with ignite into the group and kills 30 people`
`20:51.36`	`BoltR`	`Fun times`
`20:51.58`	`[GsoZ]Bordeaux`	`@haste when i do something like this, i would say "oh, sorry, 1 had a 10 seconds laag and ... suddenly"`
`20:52.27`	`haste`	`haha`
`20:52.41`	`haste`	`I wiped us at the twins trash :(`
`20:52.48`	`haste`	`hate it when num lock locks up`
`20:55.05`	`BoltR`	`The best thing about that trash is that if you sneak past and pull the Emps they all come through the wall atyou`
`20:56.34`	`CIA-17`	`03rabbit * r14049 10BigWigs_RespawnTimers/BigWigs_RespawnTimers.lua: BigWigs_RespawnTimers: Basically just add some comments to the code.`
`20:58.25`	`mjc`	`thanks vhaarr`
`20:58.41`	`vhaarr`	`yw`
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`21:02.21`	`vhaarr`	`wtf, log in to some linux 2.4 shell and they don't have nano :(`
`21:02.29`	`vhaarr`	`ah, pico is there`
`21:02.31`	`vhaarr`	`phew`
`21:02.37`	`Ziegler`	`learn vi`
`21:02.39`	`Ziegler`	`i bet it's there`
`21:02.42`	`vhaarr`	`I know vi.`
`21:02.52`	`Ziegler`	`vi the omnipresent`
`21:02.59`	`vhaarr`	`nano teh roxx`
`21:03.09`	`Ziegler`	`dumb question time: anyone know how to force a load on demand mod to .. load?`
`21:03.17`	`vhaarr`	`LoadAddOn?`
`21:03.25`	`vhaarr`	`LoadAddOn(addonName)`
`21:03.26`	`Ziegler`	`I tried demanding, and it didn't listen`
`21:03.36`	`Ziegler`	`hrmm`
`21:03.40`	`Ziegler`	`any way to do it through the normal UI?`
`21:03.47`	`Ziegler`	`for some reason CorkFu is now showing as LoD`
`21:03.50`	`Ziegler`	`and not loading`
`21:03.50`	`vhaarr`	`Not without a mod.`
`21:04.00`	`vhaarr`	`SupplyAndDemand or MCP.`
`21:04.16`	`mjc`	`Ziegler: my bad, I didn't realize I committed that`
`21:04.22`	`mjc`	`meant to just fix the optdeps`
`21:04.44`	`Ziegler`	`ahh, I thought it was intentional and I was just not smart enough to figure out how to demand properly :D`
`21:05.26`	`mjc`	`just a sec for me to check it out from svk and then I'll revert it`
`21:06.17`	`Ziegler`	`if it's not intentional I can fix it locally easily enough`
`21:06.22`	`Ziegler`	`so no worries there`
`21:06.25`	`mjc`	`yep just delet the line`
`21:06.32`	`mjc`	`but it needs ot be fixed again before more people notice :/`
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`21:09.32`	`CIA-17`	`03mjc * r14050 10FuBar_CorkFu/ (. FuBar_CorkFu.toc): FuBar_CorkFu: sorry guys, in the process of fixing the toc I also made it LoD. reverted.`
`21:09.36`	`mjc`	`Ziegler: done`
`21:09.38`	`Ziegler`	`awesome`
`21:10.01`	`PProvost`	`Ziegler, assuming you have S&D running, you can make something load by toggling "Always" on and then off again, but it sounds like you were having a different problem.`
`21:10.04`	`Ziegler`	`also, is there a cleanup going on with the files tree (specifically the disambiguity of SCT vs sct"?`
`21:10.06`	`Somani`	`does somebody knows the server-op chan of freenode?`
`21:10.24`	`mjc`	`PProvost: s&d wouldn't have known to manage it`
`21:10.40`	`mjc`	`PProvost: fubar could also be told to load it by turning it on in the menu`
`21:10.44`	`mjc`	`(afaik)`
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`21:10.56`	`mjc`	`Zicon: SCT -> sct`
`21:11.23`	`Ziegler`	`yeah, there's just dirs for both right now`
`21:11.26`	`Ziegler`	`an SCT and sct`
`21:11.37`	`mjc`	`clad's out`
`21:11.40`	`Ziegler`	`it confused winaceupdater mightily`
`21:12.00`	`Ziegler`	`which apparently is not case sensitive`
`21:15.47`	`mjc`	`kergoth: ping0r`
`21:15.51`	`kergoth`	`pong`
`21:16.13`	`mjc`	`kergoth: might be nice to have getlibs do svk update if the dir already exist`
`21:16.15`	`mjc`	`exists`
`21:17.03`	`CIA-17`	`03bordeaux * r14051 10FuBar_BananaBar2Fu/ (. FuBar_BananaBar2Fu.lua FuBar_BananaBar2Fu.toc): FuBar_BananaBar2Fu: Initial addon upload. Adds FuBar support to BananaBar2.`
`21:17.07`	`mjc`	`cause my svk co -l is huge`
`21:17.41`	`mjc`	`kergoth: also, to have it ln -sf from ~/svkco/ would be even better!`
`21:19.25`	`mjc`	`kergoth: if I'm using separate libs I should be able to do svk ls //AddOns \| xargs -I {} svk co //AddOns/{}; makelibs; getlibs, and then just svk update * everytime I want to update`
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`21:30.44`	`snurre`	`nerf how many people are interested in paying 1k+ gold for common bwl items`
`21:31.46`	`Tain`	`I've seen 400-1000g for things that guilds charge, but I don't see over 1k much.`
`21:32.25`	`mjc`	`snurre: one of the guilds on my server, before they decided to transfer to a new one, was charging 250G/epic`
`21:32.33`	`mjc`	`so about 1kg a run`
`21:33.10`	`mjc`	`snurre: not everyone is organized enough to pull off BWL with 40 other people :P`
`21:33.18`	`snurre`	`this week we sold ashkandi for 1500, netherwind chest for 950, drake talon cleaver for 600, chromatic boots for 600 and bloodfang gloves for 400`
`21:33.24`	`mjc`	`nice`
`21:33.27`	`snurre`	`beats disenchanting ;)`
`21:33.32`	`mjc`	`yeah.`
`21:33.43`	`mjc`	`I want BF gloves and drakefang talisman :(`
`21:33.52`	`That1Swede`	`snurre, -this- week? ;P`
`21:34.20`	`That1Swede`	`You'd have to be.. crazy to buy BWL loot with BC coming out in a couple of weeks. :/`
`21:34.37`	`mjc`	`snurre: must've been fun to have noobs in the nef fight eh`
`21:34.38`	`snurre`	`not really`
`21:35.06`	`snurre`	`it's not about what you'll have when TBC comes out, but what you'll have now`
`21:35.34`	`snurre`	`people seem to think the final result is why people raid, ignoring the fact that raiding is fun and the journey is rewarding in itself`
`21:35.48`	`That1Swede`	`Buying loot isn't raiding.`
`21:36.11`	`That1Swede`	`If they paid for a raid spot, that'd be 'fun and a journey'.`
`21:36.29`	`snurre`	`well, personally I don't understand why people would rather grind for ages to buy items instead of getting into a proper guild and raid themselves`
`21:36.44`	`snurre`	`regardless of when expansion comes`
`21:36.50`	`mjc`	`snurre: makes for good cash for a guild though :)`
`21:36.57`	`That1Swede`	`Yeah.`
`21:37.02`	`snurre`	`yeah.. i wonder wtf we're supposed to spend it on tho`
`21:37.19`	`snurre`	`other than showing off my 40k gold on beta :p`
`21:37.20`	`mjc`	`we have too many MC pugs on our server but we occasionally sell the hunter and priest stuff off domo`
`21:38.41`	`mjc`	`brb food`
`21:38.41`	`That1Swede`	`The flying mount riding skill is 5k g or something, isn't it? ;P`
`21:39.06`	`snurre`	`the top one, is 5k gold yes`
`21:39.14`	`snurre`	`first flying mount is 800`
`21:39.24`	`snurre`	`and outland isn't that big tbh`
`21:39.48`	`snurre`	`besides, gold will be alot easier at 70`
`21:40.07`	`snurre`	`i earned about 150g from 1.5-2h of questing at lvl64 o.O`
`21:40.23`	`PProvost`	`Is there an event (Bizz or SE) that can be used to know when a warrior stance changes?`
`21:40.29`	`Tain`	`Raiding is not fun. Raiding can be fun. Raiding for most people however is a second job that is full of frustration.`
`21:40.38`	`[FH]Birdemani`	`http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a42/Rahvinx/shadowedwtf.jpg anyone know what is causing these shadows on the text?`
`21:40.40`	`snurre`	`Tain: that's honor grinding :p`
`21:40.49`	`snurre`	`ive done both, raiding is FAR better :po`
`21:40.54`	`Tain`	`Honor grinding doesn't even enter into my reality.`
`21:41.12`	`mjc`	`tain: raiding is fun for me`
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`21:41.24`	`Ziegler`	`snurre: to answer your question about getting into a proper guild vs buying`
`21:41.29`	`That1Swede`	`I find raiding to be fun until you reach the 'farm' stage. ;P`
`21:41.34`	`Ziegler`	`snurre: a proper guild comes with a lot of committment, and usually a lot of drama`
`21:41.39`	`snurre`	`there's a difference between semi-hardcore raiding and extreme hardcore tho`
`21:41.41`	`Ziegler`	`so I can understand why people wouldn't want to`
`21:41.43`	`mfa\|raide`	`good evening ^^`
`21:41.45`	`Tain`	`Raiding can be fun. It was fun to me until it was 4 mandatory raids a week plus offnight consumable farming.`
`21:41.48`	Funkeh`	`ammo/vhaar you here?`
`21:41.57`	`snurre`	`my current guild = zero drama since we started, fucking loving it :D`
`21:42.07`	`Ra1d3n`	`can someone tell me how to send a C.O.D. mail per script?`
`21:42.10`	Funkeh`	`vhaarr*`
`21:42.15`	`mjc`	`we have the occasional gquit but nothing serious here`
`21:42.20`	`vhaarr`	Funkeh`: yes
`21:42.25`	`snurre`	`Tain: a proper guildbank system helps ALOT with consumables`
`21:42.43`	`Tain`	`snurre we weren't generating income as a guild.`
`21:42.43`	`mjc`	`Ra1d3n: figure it out on your own, we're not going to help you send presents to people :P`
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`21:42.54`	`Ra1d3n`	`hehe`
`21:43.00`	`Ra1d3n`	`got one today`
`21:43.01`	`Ra1d3n`	`:)`
`21:43.12`	`snurre`	`we're using a sort of in-guild store credit, so those who have time to grind does that, sends in to guildbank and earns "tradegold" they can spend on consumables, BoEs, enchanting materials and stuff`
`21:43.13`	Funkeh`	`hey, could you intoduce a 5second anti-enbale lock after killing a boss? theres a little big if you have your mouse over it, it dies, it reenabled the boss module straight away sometimes, some kind of anti-enable mechanism would be great`
`21:43.22`	`Tain`	`We were too new. Started brand new on a new server, plowed through to AQ40 barely equipped. Just hasn't been enough time to build up anything.`
`21:43.29`	Funkeh`	`sorry for spelling in a hurry`
`21:43.33`	Funkeh`	`bug*`
`21:43.37`	`snurre`	`we're underequipped for naxx too :(`
`21:43.39`	`Ra1d3n`	`but i thought more of it like: stack 30 fire potions on roguebank`
`21:43.44`	`snurre`	`so patch staggered our progress`
`21:43.48`	`Ra1d3n`	`./who rogue myguild`
`21:44.03`	`Ra1d3n`	`send all of them 2 potions with cod`
`21:44.06`	`Tain`	`It was something like server went live, we were killing in MC in 6 weeks, BWL in 8 weeks.`
`21:44.20`	`Ra1d3n`	`nevermind`
`21:44.44`	`Tain`	`Ra1d3n it's all listed in the mail functions section of wowwiki`
`21:44.55`	Funkeh`	`vhaarr: understand any of that? =)`
`21:45.01`	`Ziegler`	`snurre: amongst 40 people you're incredibly lucky to hava no drama at all`
`21:45.21`	`mjc`	`Ziegler: we have an age limit of 21`
`21:45.23`	`mjc`	`:P`
`21:45.25`	`mjc`	`helps a lot`
`21:45.28`	`vhaarr`	Funkeh`: yes, I do
`21:45.41`	Funkeh`	`have you encountered that problem before?`
`21:45.43`	`snurre`	`Ziegler: 60 members of the guild atm, actually.. about 230 accounts (so 150ish people with friends-rank)`
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`21:46.19`	`snurre`	`no dkp saves alot of drama, thats for sure`
`21:46.24`	`Ziegler`	`funny`
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`21:46.27`	`Tain`	`Actually the herb/potion bank person just quit the guild to join another. haha`
`21:46.30`	`Ziegler`	`not having dkp actually caused us drama`
`21:46.47`	`Ziegler`	`we now use a "hidden" dkp system`
`21:46.56`	`That1Swede`	`Not having DKP is keeping drama away for us. ;P`
`21:47.09`	`Tain`	`DKP does't cause drama. A poor points system does.`
`21:47.10`	`vhaarr`	Funkeh`: No, what boss did it happen at?
`21:47.21`	`vhaarr`	Funkeh`: Please prepend your messages to me with my nick.
`21:47.23`	`That1Swede`	`DKP is a poor points system. ;P`
`21:47.32`	`snurre`	`our system is a wishlist-based web system`
`21:47.35`	`Ziegler`	`dkp is, but you can use your own version and still call it dkp`
`21:47.38`	`Tain`	`That's an absurd generalization.`
`21:47.46`	`snurre`	`no points, just ranking lists for each item`
`21:47.51`	`snurre`	`top on list = gets item`
`21:47.57`	`Tain`	`Ug wishlist? That's ... well I don't like it.`
`21:48.09`	`snurre`	`works sooo well, ill never use any other system`
`21:48.15`	Funkeh`	`vhaarr: so far, gothik, and heigan`
`21:48.16`	`That1Swede`	`Yeah, we use loot lists.`
`21:48.25`	`Tain`	`It puts too much emphasis on personal gain, in my opinion.`
`21:48.38`	`That1Swede`	`...`
`21:48.41`	`That1Swede`	`That's what DKP does. ;P`
`21:49.08`	`Tain`	`Well there have been plenty of points system verses non-points systems arguments.`
`21:49.11`	`snurre`	`we expect our members to work as a guild and request items that are benefiting them in their guild role, not pvp toys`
`21:49.16`	`Ziegler`	`hrmm... icehud needs more negative offsets`
`21:49.18`	`snurre`	`and they do that very well imo`
`21:49.21`	`That1Swede`	`Loot lists with mature raiders has worked wonders for us.`
`21:49.38`	`Tain`	`Well shit, ANY system with mature members is going to work.`
`21:49.42`	`Tain`	`That's hardly news.`
`21:49.43`	`[Ammo]`	`yeah`
`21:49.54`	`[Ammo]`	`oh and wts fire mages`
`21:49.59`	`Tain`	`You need a system in place for when people aren't thinking in the best interst of the guild.`
`21:50.07`	`[FH]Birdemani`	`its simple, just use DPS and CFS (common fucking sense)`
`21:50.07`	`[Ammo]`	`stupid idiot pulled aggro on thaddius twice now`
`21:50.09`	`[Ammo]`	`trinketnub`
`21:50.10`	`[Ammo]`	`grr`
`21:50.23`	`That1Swede`	`Those kind of people should get /gkicked, though.`
`21:50.34`	`snurre`	`our wishlists are kinda layered, so you can request an item as a major or a minor upgrade. A minor upgrade wont affect your chances to get a major upgrade, but anyone who requested the item as major will have prio over a minor upgrade`
`21:50.44`	Funkeh`	`vhaarr: just had my mouse over them and as soon as it disabled it enabled again =)`
`21:51.11`	`Tain`	`My problem with a wishlist system is that it doesn't fit certain classes, in my opinion.`
`21:51.42`	`snurre`	`the biggest point, imo, is that there is no bidding or discussion when an item drops, that's all taken care way before.`
`21:51.47`	`vhaarr`	Funkeh`: I'm not sure that's related to you mousing over them, but rather bugs in the boss modules.
`21:51.56`	`snurre`	`so you wont get the OMGZPURPLZBIDBIDBID`
`21:52.11`	`vhaarr`	Funkeh`: At least with Gothik, if anyone in your raid has an old version, it will be enabled after he dies.
`21:52.11`	Funkeh`	`vhaarr: i see, wouldnt some kind of 5 second block fix this?`
`21:52.18`	`Tain`	`For example you will have different types of meleers that may want a specific weapon. But you'll also have some that will take whatever is an upgrade for them that will help the guild.`
`21:52.22`	`vhaarr`	Funkeh`: And Heigan had a similar problem, I believe.
`21:52.29`	`vhaarr`	Funkeh`: Yes it would, but it would be a workaround
`21:52.46`	`vhaarr`	Funkeh`: We're not going to implement 400 workarounds for various problems that existed in older versions.
`21:52.46`	`snurre`	`Tain: that's what we use our major/minor upgrade prios for :)`
`21:52.49`	`Tain`	`You could have Dagger Rogues, you could have Sword Rogues, and you could have Rogues that just want what will be an upgrade for them.`
`21:52.55`	`vhaarr`	Funkeh`: That would add incredible bloat to the code.
`21:53.06`	Funkeh`	`vhaarr: i see`
`21:53.30`	Funkeh`	`vhaarr: im gonna have to get everyone to upgrade for 4HM, so ill note if it happens after that`
`21:53.34`	`vhaarr`	Funkeh`: If you want to know what's going on behind the scenes and be able to judge whether something is a bug or not, get BigWigs_Debugger.
`21:53.51`	`vhaarr`	Funkeh`: And go to options -> Builtin stuff -> All syncs.
`21:53.53`	`vhaarr`	`Enable that.`
`21:54.02`	`snurre`	`oh, and another drama saver was that we never focused on getting 4HM before expansion, so rogues didn't get shafted with tier3`
`21:55.03`	Funkeh`	`vhaarr: ill give it a try, thanks`
`21:55.43`	Funkeh`	`vhaarr: the oldest version is 12806, do you remember if this version was affected?`
`21:55.51`	`vhaarr`	`It probably was.`
`21:56.08`	Funkeh`	`ok =)`
`21:56.09`	`Tain`	`That went over well, let me tell you. "Warriors have all agreed to let Rogues have all tier 2.5 gear if you let the warriors get tier 3 first." "...what?"`
`21:56.49`	`snurre`	`I had bad experiences in my old guild where the MTs got prio on all tanking loot.. and when they were finished they got tired of tanking and respecced for dps`
`21:56.55`	`snurre`	`so they could get dps loot too`
`21:57.09`	`snurre`	`when we started this guild I simply made one, easy rule: No prios.`
`21:57.18`	`Tain`	`I just think it's a bad idea to give anyone artificial priority.`
`21:57.20`	`snurre`	`common sense solved the rest`
`21:58.35`	`That1Swede`	`snurre, your guild sounds very similar to the one I'm in.. save for Naxx stuff. ;P`
`21:58.46`	`Tain`	`I just got tired of the raid schedule, along with everyone having to provide their own consumables and being penalized if they couldn't.`
`21:59.21`	`That1Swede`	`The guild I'm in provides consumables for the raiders, thankfully.`
`21:59.33`	`ggilbert_`	`How do you guys afford that?`
`21:59.43`	`Tain`	`Then the guild leader screwing up the DKP system by taking a static number of points away from all members saying there was too much points in the guild and it had to be reduced.`
`21:59.58`	`snurre`	`our people grind and send to gbank, which distributes consumables on requests`
`22:00.13`	`snurre`	`we're on a relatively lowpop server, so theres nothing to spend gold on at all atm`
`22:00.16`	`ggilbert_`	`Ah. That wouldnt go over well with our members.`
`22:00.27`	`snurre`	`bought a few thousand stonescale eels, but thats it`
`22:00.30`	`Tain`	`And in his words the only fair way was to take the same amount of points from all members, regardless of current totals, raiding percentage, etc.`
`22:00.41`	`That1Swede`	`ggilbert_, people grind and send to the bank, the bank gets money from Ony kills and that kind of thing. Lots of giving people. ;P It takes the 'consumable' grind to a nicer level.`
`22:00.59`	`That1Swede`	`Tain, that sucks.`
`22:01.10`	`ggilbert_`	`We've found that people mostly sent in the stuff they couldnt profit off of`
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`22:01.54`	`ggilbert_`	`which is why we discontinued our bank :)`
`22:02.00`	`That1Swede`	`D'oh. ;P`
`22:02.42`	`snurre`	`we've got like 12 gbank chars :p`
`22:02.54`	`ggilbert_`	`we had the same`
`22:03.07`	`snurre`	`5 on my account, 6 on a shared account and 1 more`
`22:03.22`	`snurre`	`it takes alot of time tho :/`
`22:03.28`	`That1Swede`	`gasp shared account /reported!`
`22:03.32`	`snurre`	`i spend like an hour every day making pots and distributing stuff`
`22:03.38`	`vhaarr`	`http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=2648.0`
`22:03.46`	`Tain`	`I sent hundreds of herbs to my guild bank for pots. Probably thousands.`
`22:03.56`	`ggilbert_`	`then we started look at what was being sent in and, wow we had plenty of green hills of stranglethorne!`
`22:03.58`	`vhaarr`	`Gamefaq\|afk, deDE, frFR, koKR and others translators: http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=2648.0`
`22:04.04`	`ggilbert_`	`no lack of mageweave`
`22:04.23`	`That1Swede`	`lol`
`22:04.33`	`That1Swede`	`We only send 'useful' stuff to the bank. ;P`
`22:05.09`	`That1Swede`	`<PROTECTED>`
`22:05.10`	`[Cu]Werik`	`Like those 'I.WIN.BUTTON's?`
`22:05.12`	`That1Swede`	`;P`
`22:05.32`	`ggilbert_`	`only one or two people has actually complained about us not providing consumable though`
`22:05.38`	`snurre`	`hm, do I know you That1Swede? :p`
`22:05.41`	`Cairenn`	`anyone heard from ckknight today?`
`22:05.43`	`ggilbert_`	`and they were both lazy :)`
`22:06.43`	`That1Swede`	`Nah, snurre, but Google does. ;P You Orc Warrior you.. Or something.`
`22:06.43`	`snurre`	`haha`
`22:06.43`	`Cairenn`	`~seen ckknight`
`22:06.45`	`purl`	`ckknight <n=ckknight@rrcs-74-62-251-185.west.biz.rr.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 9h 36m 36s ago, saying: 'KleidershrankGnom'.`
`22:06.45`	`snurre`	`http://crithappens.net`
`22:06.45`	`snurre`	`my current guild`
`22:07.38`	`mjc`	`heh`
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`22:10.24`	`Gamefaq\|afk`	`vhaarr i currently play my new hunter in alterrac the translations have to wait a bit :)`
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`22:11.40`	`That1Swede`	`snurre, that guild is freakin' huge.`
`22:11.50`	`snurre`	`looks bigger than it is`
`22:12.06`	`snurre`	`we have a friends rank we let RL/old mates of members join as`
`22:12.20`	`snurre`	`no prio on loot or raid spots, but as long as theyre prepared they can get spots if needed`
`22:12.28`	`That1Swede`	`My /guildinfo: 45 players, 42 accounts. ;P`
`22:12.38`	`snurre`	`sec, lemme check mine :p`
`22:13.28`	`vhaarr`	`186 players, 80 accounts o_O`
`22:13.49`	`That1Swede`	`Alts'R'Us!`
`22:13.56`	`That1Swede`	`Alts'R'You..`
`22:14.08`	`vhaarr`	`Indeed.`
`22:14.10`	ag`	`Does anyone know if it is possible to create virtual frames using lua that CreateFrame can inherit from, and/or set the width/height of virtual frames so that CreateFrame inherit will result in new frames with that height/width?`
`22:14.39`	`snurre`	`Guild created 6-13-2006, 423 players, 193 accounts`
`22:14.45`	`That1Swede`	`Dang.`
`22:15.13`	`snurre`	`im quite surprised how smoothly the guild runs tbh`
`22:15.28`	ag`	`going to be trouble in BC with 25 man raids`
`22:15.41`	`snurre`	`that's gonna be a headache for every raiding guild :/`
`22:15.46`	ag`	`yep`
`22:16.00`	`snurre`	`but again, our total account# doesnt reflect our real guild size`
`22:16.06`	`ggilbert_`	`it's already causing a massive headache for us`
`22:16.09`	`That1Swede`	`Should be okay for my guild.. the biggest raid we've had so far has been 35 people. ;P`
`22:16.22`	ag`	`ggilbert_: how so?`
`22:16.27`	`snurre`	`im hoping to get our member count downsized from 60 to 40 for expansion`
`22:16.33`	ag`	`people are already talking about who's going to get cut?`
`22:16.35`	`ggilbert_`	ag`: Arguments over how to handle it
`22:16.36`	`ggilbert_`	`yup`
`22:16.45`	`snurre`	`that should leave us enough reserves to have a steady raiding schedule`
`22:16.53`	ag`	`ggilbert_: I think it will go natural, some will level slower than others and such`
`22:17.16`	`snurre`	`wonder if i should take a few days off work when it comes :p`
`22:17.23`	`snurre`	`to powerlvl and get it out of the way`
`22:17.28`	ag`	`I think I am taking a couple of weeks off :P`
`22:17.38`	Funkeh`	`anyone know why "SCT" is appearing on aceuploader? i mean aswell as a small "sct". it crashes as soon as it hits "SCT" and wont update any mod after that, so any mod that begins with a letter after S is skipper`
`22:17.51`	Funkeh`	`skipped*`
`22:18.04`	`snurre`	`sadly i think it's gonna cause a fucking ton of work to do, and im not the only one who wants time off then, so i doubt ill get any free days :(`
`22:19.01`	`ggilbert_`	`our biggest problem is that we have abou 70 raiders total`
`22:19.17`	`ggilbert_`	`but most of them are not particularly dedicated`
`22:20.56`	`Ziegler`	`ggilbert: BC will be kind to you then`
`22:21.28`	`ggilbert_`	`In what sense?`
`22:26.00`	`yacoob`	`vhaarr, check the todo :)`
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`22:30.30`	`deci`	`lol i tried to click recasting a totem with GotWood? and it gave me 96 errors and then wow hardlocked`
`22:30.32`	`deci`	`neat!`
`22:31.29`	`PProvost`	Funkeh`, the problem is with SCT an nobody wants to fix it. Also, are you using WinAceUpdater 1.5 or 1.4?
`22:32.25`	Funkeh`	`your gonna tell me theres a 1.5 which fixes this problem arent you =) i didnt realise i have 1.4`
`22:33.55`	`vurlix`	`i use 1.5 and it works good`
`22:34.24`	Funkeh`	`ok ill check it out`
`22:35.12`	`mjc`	`ugh`
`22:35.17`	`mjc`	`downloading vista for the hell of it`
`22:35.22`	`mjc`	`only going 600K/s`
`22:35.23`	`mjc`	`<PROTECTED>`
`22:35.35`	Funkeh`	`screw that :P`
`22:35.49`	`mjc`	`I'm just curious what the hype is all about :P`
`22:35.50`	Funkeh`	`its like how big? =P`
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`22:35.55`	`mjc`	`3.59G`
`22:36.05`	Funkeh`	`:o not that bad actually`
`22:36.06`	`Wobin`	`woo`
`22:36.12`	`Wobin`	`hope ckk is alright?`
`22:36.25`	`Wobin`	`Isn't he in Hawaii?`
`22:37.13`	Funkeh`	`ok`
`22:37.14`	Funkeh`	`1.5`
`22:37.17`	Funkeh`	`still same problem`
`22:37.30`	Funkeh`	`gets to sct then jsut says update complete`
`22:37.42`	Funkeh`	`wont update anything with the letters after s`
`22:38.38`	`mjc`	`well considering FC5 is about the same size but actually includes useful software...`
`22:40.20`	`yacoob`	`mjc, surely there is any useful software in Vista, no?`
`22:41.15`	`mjc`	`yacoob: a small subset of those in any linux distro`
`22:41.29`	`yacoob`	`that's a start, don't you think? :D`
`22:41.31`	`mjc`	`like an office suite, financial apps, diddly games, etc.`
`22:41.57`	`mjc`	`media apps`
`22:42.03`	`Xuerian`	`Wobin: Yeah, he is. Cairenn mentioned it earlier`
`22:42.07`	`Xuerian`	`Is in hawaii that is`
`22:42.33`	`mjc`	`somehow wordpad, windows movie maker, and paint don't cut it`
`22:43.16`	`yacoob`	`mjc, I'm long time debian user, and I'd happily see a "clueless newbie" linux distro. So far, there is nothing like that, only approximations of such`
`22:43.49`	`mjc`	`yacoob: windows comes with nothing. linux comes with everything`
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`22:44.48`	`yacoob`	`technically, linux = kernel. So :P`
`22:44.54`	`yacoob`	`but yes, the distributions are far better`
`22:44.58`	`mjc`	`well ok, linux distributions`
`22:45.02`	`yacoob`	`plus, I'd kill for apt-get for win32`
`22:45.16`	`yacoob`	`(functional, with as many packages and repositories as debian and ubuntu has)`
`22:45.28`	`mjc`	`yacoob: and yes the individual tools you shell out multiple hundreds of dollars for are going to be easier to use, have more user-oriented features, blah blah. but something must be said for having the ability to modify it all at will. the noob distros do a decent job of guiding you in the right direction`
`22:45.46`	`mjc`	`but like any sophisticated technology, in order ot use it efficiently, one must do actual work`
`22:46.05`	`mjc`	`any idiot that buys a new computer every time they get spyware w/ windows is still just another idiot`
`22:46.12`	`Ziegler`	`mjc: you left out of "linux comes with everything" "however, everything may or may not work properly"`
`22:46.21`	`yacoob`	`mjc, the freedom of Linux distros is also it's greatest enemy`
`22:46.31`	`mjc`	`Ziegler: define properly`
`22:46.35`	`Ziegler`	`exactly`
`22:46.43`	`yacoob`	`that is, stick one gtk app in the middle of qt environment`
`22:46.52`	`vhaarr`	`yacoob: okay`
`22:47.00`	`mjc`	`yacoob: distros don't do that`
`22:47.08`	`yacoob`	`mjc, depends which ones :)`
`22:47.17`	`yacoob`	`ubuntu doesn't, kubuntu doesn't.`
`22:47.26`	`mjc`	`Ziegler: windows comes with nothing, everything strives to work with it. that doesn't mean anything works 'properly'`
`22:47.30`	`Ziegler`	`mjc: there's obviously some basic failures in Linux distributions in the respect of coming with 'everything'`
`22:47.30`	`yacoob`	`Xuerian, psst, look for the zipper on the whale :)`
`22:47.32`	`vhaarr`	`Gamefaq\|afk: I just committed two deDE translations for Tablet and FBP, please check them.`
`22:47.35`	`Xuerian`	`Oooo.`
`22:47.46`	`Ziegler`	`for one, a Linux box with everything turned on is probably the only thing less secure than a default Windows install`
`22:47.50`	`vhaarr`	`Gamefaq\|afk: Also check progmans Ace2 translations in the thread.`
`22:47.54`	`yacoob`	`another thing is, the interoperability is weak, unless you stick to one environment`
`22:47.59`	`yacoob`	`(and that environment is kde :)`
`22:48.12`	`Ziegler`	`that, and everything is there, but it doesn't necessarily operate intuitively or collaboratively`
`22:48.14`	`yacoob`	`last time I checked, kde only lacked one thing for me - good integrated IME`
`22:48.14`	`mjc`	`I'd argue that windows' API and whatnot that you actually do get with your windows CD, is horribly broken`
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`22:48.30`	`yacoob`	`not broken, just crufty :)`
`22:48.32`	`Ziegler`	`oh, the windows installer is definitely a failure in all respects`
`22:48.35`	`Ziegler`	`probably one of their largest`
`22:48.39`	`mjc`	`not the installer`
`22:48.41`	`Xuerian`	`"Stock" windows is like buying a "Stock" car, before you turn it into a twinked out ride`
`22:48.42`	`mjc`	`the api`
`22:48.42`	`yacoob`	`legacy hacks dating back to 95 :D`
`22:48.49`	`Xuerian`	`It sucks, it's limited, it's not pretty`
`22:49.08`	`mjc`	`MFC, aero, .NET are all hacks just as much as glibc is`
`22:49.11`	`mjc`	`and X`
`22:49.20`	`mjc`	`one just ahs a brand name and a billion or so dollars behind it`
`22:49.23`	`Ziegler`	`mmm I don't know, X is an awful large one`
`22:49.26`	`yacoob`	`from the various ui faults departament: noticed how the start button (in the classic look) is exactly FEW pixels from bottom left corner? :DDD`
`22:49.37`	`Ziegler`	`I don't think I'd compare any other software to X`
`22:49.58`	`vhaarr`	`indeed, X is a monster.`
`22:49.59`	`mjc`	`Ziegler: MFC`
`22:50.11`	`Ziegler`	`mjc: I might go as far as to say X makes Windows look well planned.`
`22:50.27`	`mjc`	`Ziegler: with one problem`
`22:50.37`	`mjc`	`the win32 API is string cheese at best`
`22:50.44`	`yacoob`	`speaking of which, I really liked my hackintosh.`
`22:50.45`	`mjc`	`it hardly ever does wht the docs say it does`
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`22:50.53`	`Ziegler`	`yeah, but every part of X is swiss`
`22:50.56`	`mjc`	`X, on the other hand, at least operates as documented`
`22:51.13`	`mjc`	`Ziegler: so's the win32 api`
`22:51.26`	`Ziegler`	`also true.. i'm sitting here weighing the two`
`22:51.28`	`Ziegler`	`X still seems worse`
`22:51.35`	`yacoob`	`is a bit apple-intuitive instead uf yacoob-friendly, but it does the trick PLUS it has BSDish thingy underneath.`
`22:51.39`	`Ziegler`	`the windows api actually adapted somewhat over time`
`22:51.46`	`mjc`	`no`
`22:51.49`	`Ziegler`	`where X is very government-esque`
`22:51.52`	`yacoob`	`Ziegler, you mean mutated? :)`
`22:51.53`	`mjc`	`the windows api is a hack upon a hack upon a hack`
`22:51.55`	`Ziegler`	`nothing may ever change`
`22:51.59`	`Ziegler`	`yacoob: that's probably a better word, yes`
`22:52.03`	`yacoob`	`mjc, X is also that :/`
`22:52.18`	`yacoob`	`well, not sure about latest Xorgs, but XFree86 was exactly that.`
`22:52.19`	`Ziegler`	`mjc: if you look at how they grafted 3d into X, you'll see hack upon hack`
`22:52.20`	`mjc`	`yacoob: not insomuch as the API doesn't change`
`22:52.25`	`Xuerian`	`mjc: You have to give them props to a sort, it's a mosaic of hacks that still works, mostly.`
`22:52.30`	`mjc`	`Ziegler: that's all been reworked in xorg`
`22:52.43`	`Ziegler`	`I will admit I know very little about Xorg`
`22:52.45`	`mjc`	`Xuerian: X works mcuh more than the win32 api does :P`
`22:52.51`	`Ziegler`	`I went away from *ix desktops long ago`
`22:53.02`	`mjc`	`Ziegler: give them 3-4 more years and X will not suck anymore`
`22:53.03`	`Xuerian`	`Mjc: And that's why I didn't set foot in the "It's better because" department of this discussion ;)`
`22:53.15`	`mjc`	`Xuerian: hehe`
`22:53.15`	`Ziegler`	`mjc: debatable, seeing as in 3-4 years they'll be catching up to now`
`22:53.24`	`mjc`	`Ziegler: no`
`22:53.30`	`Ziegler`	`and thus 3-4 years beyond the tech still`
`22:53.32`	`Xuerian`	`That's true, mjc, but you don't know what ELSE could have come about in 3-4 years`
`22:53.50`	`mjc`	`xorg 7.1 already has all the features apple has`
`22:54.04`	`mjc`	`they are just working on rewriting the underlying framework to be more efficient`
`22:54.08`	`Xuerian`	`X/XOrg/Compiz/XGL could be jizz-worthy then, but someone else could have functional BCI's through a fluke tech leap :P`
`22:54.15`	`Ziegler`	`Apple is still a bit behind though too`
`22:54.20`	`mjc`	`behind what?`
`22:54.29`	`Ziegler`	`seeing as DirectX kinda defines computer graphics at present`
`22:54.33`	`mjc`	`um`
`22:54.36`	`mjc`	`no, it doesn't`
`22:54.42`	`Ziegler`	`no?`
`22:54.43`	`mjc`	`directx defines computer gaming`
`22:54.46`	`mjc`	`gaming != graphics`
`22:55.06`	`mjc`	`everything on the face of the earth that actually does huge amounts of AA/AF and serious professional stuff uses opengl`
`22:55.09`	`Ziegler`	`the path of the graphics industry is largely determined by it`
`22:55.15`	`mjc`	`also no`
`22:55.16`	`Xuerian`	`No, but DX is not a game framework, at least a good part of it is, it's graphics framework`
`22:55.33`	`mjc`	`Xuerian: it's not used in production environments except for games`
`22:55.36`	`Ziegler`	`well, which modern hardware graphics technology do you attribute to OpenGL?`
`22:55.39`	`Ziegler`	`and which to DirectX?`
`22:55.46`	`mjc`	`nvidia's primary focus is opengl`
`22:55.50`	`Xuerian`	`Mjc: Didn't argue who used it, merely pointed out more than games use it ;)`
`22:56.08`	`mjc`	`ati's primary focus is consumer cards`
`22:56.22`	`Xuerian`	`I for one, would welcome OpenGL as our unified 3d framework overlord. :P`
`22:56.26`	`mjc`	`nvidia does 3x more business to high end users than to gamers`
`22:56.28`	`Ziegler`	`nvidia is still well steered by DX`
`22:56.36`	`mjc`	`Ziegler: untrue`
`22:56.45`	`mjc`	`nvidia is doing things in opengl that DX still dreams of`
`22:56.50`	`Ziegler`	`mainly because SGI is no longer a viable enough entity to continue driving OpenGL forward in the high end`
`22:56.52`	`mjc`	`32X AA`
`22:57.04`	`mjc`	`not possible in DX right now`
`22:57.05`	`mjc`	`barely possible in DX10`
`22:57.08`	`Ziegler`	`AA is AA, you can do as many samples as you like`
`22:57.11`	`Ziegler`	`it's not new tech`
`22:57.29`	`mjc`	`Ziegler: there are technical limitations wrt. how to handle that amount of bandwidth`
`22:57.43`	`Ziegler`	`which are more tied to the bus than anything else`
`22:57.44`	`mjc`	`the DX architecture fails at that point`
`22:57.52`	`Ziegler`	`I don't see how`
`22:57.57`	`mjc`	`sec, link`
`22:58.27`	`Ziegler`	`I mean, you can start compressing data in the API and such`
`22:58.35`	`Ziegler`	`but overall that's going to be a limitation of your system bus`
`22:58.54`	`mjc`	`um`
`22:59.08`	`mjc`	`ok, massively parallel rendering`
`22:59.25`	`mjc`	`opengl's done this for a decade or more`
`22:59.28`	`Ziegler`	`yup`
`22:59.41`	`Ziegler`	`again, from back when SGI was a more viable entity`
`23:00.09`	`Ziegler`	`I spent many many years with IRIX`
`23:00.22`	`Ziegler`	`in fact, i'm talking to you from an IRIX system`
`23:00.23`	`*** join/#wowace Ghent (n=Ghent@c-67-175-249-246.hsd1.il.comcast.net)`
`23:00.39`	`mjc`	`alternate frame rendering vs. split frame rendering, etc.`
`23:01.03`	`yacoob`	`blink`
`23:01.08`	`Ziegler`	`DX isn't really limited there, it just takes a different approach as to the layer it belongs on`
`23:01.14`	`mjc`	`it is limited`
`23:01.19`	`Ziegler`	`it expects a hardware abstraction layer to handle the frame passing to the gpus`
`23:01.23`	`yacoob`	`Ziegler, I saw "In fact I'm talking to you as an IRIX system". Hello, Mr. Borg :)`
`23:01.24`	`Ziegler`	`and a single entry point for itself`
`23:01.25`	`Xuerian`	`yacoob: Want a helmet? Got a spare, too many things flying over my head.`
`23:01.34`	`Ziegler`	`yacoob: haha`
`23:01.37`	`yacoob`	`Xuerian, thanks. Want some popcorn? :)`
`23:01.42`	`mjc`	`you can't do AFR in DX, if you want to have a WHQL driver`
`23:01.42`	`Xuerian`	`Sure.`
`23:01.53`	`Ziegler`	`yacoob: I would possibly sooner run Windows on myself than IRIX`
`23:02.01`	`Ziegler`	`yacoob: it's not the best of the best where OS are concerned`
`23:02.11`	`yacoob`	`that's nice words for that :D`
`23:02.24`	`mjc`	`Ziegler: it doesn't let you queue enough frames.`
`23:02.27`	`Ziegler`	`again, like OGL it suffers from lack of attention over the years`
`23:02.43`	`mjc`	`OGL hasn't needed a whole lot of attention`
`23:03.01`	`Ziegler`	`mjc: I can't really see that sort of thing being a huge hinderance though, those are simple scaling fixes that will come with time`
`23:03.02`	`mjc`	`and there's stuff in the works that makes DX seem silly, forgetting the fact that it's actually portable`
`23:03.13`	`yacoob`	`the only big bad thing is, no matter what linux distro I choose, I'll end up struggling with this fscking fglrx driver`
`23:03.18`	`Ziegler`	`I definitely agree OGL is much better in design`
`23:03.31`	`mjc`	`Ziegler: OGL's had definable queue lengths since inception`
`23:03.34`	`Ziegler`	`but unless someone large picks it up and runs with it I think you're going to see a replacement for OGL`
`23:03.46`	`mjc`	`OGL3 is in the works`
`23:04.01`	`Ziegler`	`they also had 64bit systems in the 80s`
`23:04.07`	`Ziegler`	`doesn't mean they were better than present 32bit processors :}`
`23:04.22`	`mjc`	`present 32bit CPUs suck.`
`23:04.37`	`Ziegler`	`agreed, but still better than a mid 80s VLIW proc`
`23:04.47`	`Ghent`	`yacoob, having problems with fglrx?`
`23:04.47`	`mjc`	`depends on the application :)`
`23:05.06`	`Ziegler`	`ehhn, semantics of 'better' there -- more capable, perhaps`
`23:05.49`	`Ziegler`	`I'm presently a RHEL R&D Engineer, which is why I have an irrational hatred of Linux`
`23:05.51`	`Ziegler`	`so I will apologize there`
`23:06.01`	`Ghent`	`lol`
`23:06.12`	`Ghent`	`is it rh you hate or linux in general?`
`23:06.16`	`Ziegler`	`both`
`23:06.19`	`Ghent`	`why?`
`23:06.23`	`Ziegler`	`coming from what I consider proper UNIX to Linux`
`23:06.30`	`Ziegler`	`it's quite a fall from grace`
`23:06.50`	`Ziegler`	`the same reason Windows has so many problems`
`23:07.00`	`Ziegler`	`integration of an operating system with non-specific hardware introduces tons of problems`
`23:07.03`	`Ghent`	`What unix are you comparing to linux?`
`23:07.05`	`Ziegler`	`though it is what creates my job`
`23:07.19`	`Ziegler`	`Solaris, IRIX, and HPUX mostly`
`23:07.30`	`Ziegler`	`ie: UNIX systems designed for one specific hardware platform`
`23:07.31`	`Ghent`	`you prefer proprietary hardware?`
`23:07.35`	`Ziegler`	`I do`
`23:07.43`	`Ziegler`	`the things that an OS can do when it's tied straight to one platform`
`23:07.48`	`Ghent`	`of course`
`23:07.49`	`Ziegler`	`it's impressive`
`23:07.51`	`yacoob`	`Ghent, very much so. It's crappier with each release`
`23:08.11`	`Ziegler`	`I would go as far as to say Windows would be amazing if it had a strict hardware platform`
`23:08.18`	`yacoob`	`Ziegler, when I started to work after I finished my studies, I had a strong impression that you get what you pay for`
`23:08.19`	`Ghent`	`the cost of the efficient and power though is definitely reflected in the price-gouging from the manufacturers :)`
`23:08.20`	`mjc`	`yay for /gquit.`
`23:08.31`	`Ziegler`	`yacoob: that's true to a point`
`23:08.36`	`yacoob`	`and the commercial packages are, well... worthy something.`
`23:08.38`	`Ziegler`	`there is a price point you reach where you're not longer gaining anything though`
`23:08.42`	`yacoob`	`Life verified it otherwise`
`23:08.59`	`Ziegler`	`a fine example are the present Sun V240 and V245`
`23:09.02`	`mjc`	`new versions of any piece of software lately have not justified purchasing`
`23:09.02`	`yacoob`	`so few commercial products live up to the name, big $$$ in, garbage out`
`23:09.05`	`Ghent`	`yacoob, what kind of problems?`
`23:09.12`	`Ziegler`	`they accomplished essentially nothing with that 'upgrade`
`23:09.12`	`Ziegler`	`'`
`23:09.21`	`yacoob`	`Ghent, xvideo on tv out`
`23:09.33`	`yacoob`	`it cuts off bottom 1/3th of the picture`
`23:09.35`	`Ghent`	`you have an all in wonder?`
`23:09.37`	`mjc`	`I don't think I'll be playing wow once TBC comes out.`
`23:09.42`	`mjc`	`waste of my money.`
`23:09.43`	`Ziegler`	`mjc: why not?`
`23:09.47`	`Ziegler`	`ah`
`23:09.47`	`Ghent`	`mjc, I think I quit about 2 weeks ago`
`23:09.57`	`yacoob`	`Ghent, radeon 9600`
`23:10.06`	`mjc`	`fucking secure frame bullshit + trouble finding a fun guild, etc.`
`23:10.16`	`mjc`	`all in marketingwonder!`
`23:10.24`	`Ziegler`	`fortunately the fun guild part is easy for me, I play with friends`
`23:10.30`	`Ziegler`	`but yeah the UI changes I question`
`23:10.36`	`Ghent`	`the game got boring a long, long time ago`
`23:10.37`	`Ziegler`	`but I reserve judgement on them yet`
`23:10.47`	`mjc`	`Ziegler: the last tiem I played anything with friends (quakeish) it ended up ruining their lives and mine`
`23:10.49`	`mjc`	`I don't do that anymore`
`23:10.50`	`Ghent`	`played for a year+ out of habit alone`
`23:10.54`	`Ziegler`	`since I haven't heard the people who I consider authorities on the matter cursing here much`
`23:11.01`	`Xuerian`	`I'm with Ghent on this one, the only thing that keeps me going is friends and gratification from scripting :p`
`23:11.17`	`yacoob`	`ha! lets make a practical joke!`
`23:11.21`	`Ghent`	`even that has lost it's appeal for me`
`23:11.31`	`Ghent`	`I miss my real friends and my real life`
`23:11.34`	`yacoob`	`everyone, quit and see others sunk in despair with mods being abandoned! :D`
`23:11.39`	`Ghent`	`a lot of them have gone away`
`23:11.45`	`Ziegler`	`perhaps that's my difference, I'm a "casual" player`
`23:11.59`	`Ziegler`	`professional geek perhaps, but not gamer`
`23:12.04`	`Xuerian`	`Ghent: WTB [Real Life], [Real Friends] =(`
`23:12.09`	`Ghent`	`I had them`
`23:12.12`	`Ghent`	`they're mostly gone now`
`23:12.15`	`yacoob`	`I have them :)`
`23:12.18`	`Xuerian`	`=\`
`23:12.24`	`Ziegler`	`go find a nice girl (or guy if you prefer) and have a blast`
`23:12.27`	`yacoob`	`but I don't have epic-geared 60`
`23:12.32`	`Ghent`	`psh`
`23:12.37`	`Xuerian`	`Ziegler: Where can I find the docs on girls?`
`23:12.39`	`yacoob`	`fireblast, you meant, Ziegler? :)`
`23:12.46`	`Ghent`	`I'd sell my epic geared accounts in a second if someone would buy them`
`23:12.52`	`Ziegler`	`yacoob: hm, no :}`
`23:12.58`	`Ziegler`	`Ghent: erhm, eBay`
`23:13.03`	`Ghent`	`illegal`
`23:13.05`	`yacoob`	`Ghent, it sells, really`
`23:13.11`	`Ziegler`	`guy in my guild just sold his epic druid over over $1000`
`23:13.15`	`Xuerian`	`Illegal, yes. Done, also yes.`
`23:13.19`	`Ghent`	`besides, I have no idea what to sell them for`
`23:13.20`	`ggilbert_`	`Shit. I'm all over that`
`23:13.22`	`Ziegler`	`and when I say epic I mean like bwl level`
`23:13.27`	`Ziegler`	`not even aq40/naxx`
`23:13.39`	`Ziegler`	`there's apparently some 6 piece naxx hunter on Ebay right now for over $3000?`
`23:13.49`	`Xuerian`	`It was over 4000 a few days ago`
`23:13.55`	`yacoob`	`but wait, what's the problem with illegal? you sell, you forgot. You think Blizz is going to hunt you down and execute in public? :)`
`23:13.56`	`Ghent`	`http://www.rpgoutfitter.com/WoW-GM/char.cfm?char=Danaee@US-Icecrown`
`23:14.23`	`yacoob`	`as long as you're selling the whole account...`
`23:14.58`	`Ghent`	`wait`
`23:15.02`	`Ghent`	`this might be more up to date`
`23:15.03`	`Ghent`	`<PROTECTED>`
`23:15.05`	`Xuerian`	`As long as you're selling your copy of the game & the account tied to it, and not "the character" :p`
`23:15.27`	`Ghent`	`it's against ToS to sell the account`
`23:15.39`	`Ziegler`	`Xuerian: that's no more or less legal from the Blizz side, that's just the only way eBay will allow you to do it`
`23:15.44`	`Xuerian`	`Hm. Then pull a gift package.`
`23:15.56`	`Ziegler`	`still not good from the Blizz side`
`23:16.07`	`Ziegler`	`they state the account may not transfer hands under any circumstances except to family members or something`
`23:16.10`	`Xuerian`	`They can go swizzle themselves with a pixi stick :P`
`23:16.14`	`Ziegler`	`agreed`
`23:16.16`	`Ghent`	`the point being`
`23:16.25`	`Ghent`	`if they ban the account after I've made money on it`
`23:16.37`	`Ghent`	`you can bet the person who bought it is gonba come looking for his money`
`23:16.48`	`Ziegler`	`that's why you have a buyer beware`
`23:17.01`	`Xuerian`	`Really? And what's he gonna say? "I bought a wow account, and I got banned for it!"`
`23:17.13`	`Ghent`	`no, if it gets banned because I sold it`
`23:17.22`	`Ghent`	`is what I mean`
`23:17.28`	`Ziegler`	`well that's a 2 part equation`
`23:17.29`	`yacoob`	`I think Ghent means big blokes stomping on him :)`
`23:17.35`	`Xuerian`	`:P`
`23:17.35`	`Ghent`	`anyways, I don't really care that much, mostly I just don't know how much to charge for it`
`23:17.47`	`yacoob`	`http://wiadomosci.gazeta.pl/aliasy/mod/super_zoom.jsp?xx=3685705 - satelite picture of Korea`
`23:17.48`	`Xuerian`	`Ghent: Browse ebay :P`
`23:17.49`	`Ziegler`	`NR $1000 first bid`
`23:17.50`	`Xuerian`	`Just like the AH.`
`23:17.58`	`Ghent`	`that sounds strangely like effort`
`23:18.03`	`Ghent`	`I abhor effort`
`23:18.09`	`Xuerian`	`You go to the site, right click the search field, type what item you want to find, and it has little icons of the item. You can see the BO and the Bid.`
`23:18.10`	`Ziegler`	`apparently!`
`23:18.12`	`yacoob`	`in North, only Phenian lights up`
`23:18.26`	`Ziegler`	`yacoob: does it glow green?`
`23:18.33`	`mjc`	`what was that dreamsomething chat mod`
`23:18.35`	`mjc`	`dreamcaht? :P`
`23:18.36`	`yacoob`	`Xuerian, you don't suggest we do it by hand? WE NEED AN ADDON TO EBAY!`
`23:18.40`	`Xuerian`	`Dreamchat.`
`23:18.44`	`mjc`	`k.`
`23:18.44`	`Xuerian`	`ROFL`
`23:19.02`	`yacoob`	`and scan it 5 times a day, then come here and whine about memory usage`
`23:19.05`	`Xuerian`	`Quick! We must oSkin the ebay interface and add a scanner! =O`
`23:19.12`	`yacoob`	`To the luamobile!`
`23:19.22`	`CIA-17`	`03bordeaux * r14054 10BananaBar2/BananaBarConstants.lua: BananaBar2: Bugfix: wrong texture path`
`23:19.23`	`Xuerian`	`Hahaha, I was just trying to think of how to say that! XD`
`23:19.33`	`mjc`	`tbh, wow economics excites me.`
`23:19.52`	`yacoob`	`mjc, just ingames, or its interaction with real world?`
`23:19.59`	`mjc`	`in game`
`23:20.16`	`yacoob`	`man down!`
`23:20.26`	`yacoob`	`looks for cannibalize button`
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`23:20.31`	`yacoob`	`now, wait!`
`23:20.47`	`yacoob`	`Oh, erm. Hi. Nothing happened, really.`
`23:20.51`	`Xuerian`	`>_>`
`23:20.54`	`mjc`	`it's really fascinating how each server's population has a different idea of how much things are worth`
`23:21.03`	`Xuerian`	`My, what large teeth you have.`
`23:21.15`	`mjc`	`haha`
`23:21.22`	`yacoob`	`Awww, I bet you say it to every zombie...`
`23:22.00`	`yacoob`	`Let's change the topic :)`
`23:22.05`	`Xuerian`	`Agreed <.<`
`23:22.09`	`mjc`	`hahaha`
`23:22.11`	`yacoob`	`:P`
`23:22.20`	`Xuerian`	`XD`
`23:22.22`	`yacoob`	`But seriously, I have a question.`
`23:22.30`	`Xuerian`	`Mm?`
`23:22.46`	`yacoob`	`I've been given a job advert. A company is looking for unix admin in Tokyo, Japan.`
`23:22.58`	`mjc`	`<PROTECTED>`
`23:22.59`	`yacoob`	`Now, given I'm an admin, and I always wanted to visit .jp...`
`23:23.03`	`mjc`	`too bad I'm not an op`
`23:23.17`	`yacoob`	`whoooooa, what a big nice angel!`
`23:23.19`	`mjc`	`fell`
`23:23.22`	`yacoob`	`rightclicks`
`23:23.23`	`Ghent`	`fell, sorry :P`
`23:23.36`	`Ghent`	`I miss playing`
`23:23.43`	`Ghent`	`I'm just so sick of playing the same damn thing over and over again`
`23:23.49`	`yacoob`	`Anyway, this whole job thing boils down to one question:`
`23:24.03`	`Xuerian`	`lol Ghent :P`
`23:24.23`	`mjc`	`haha`
`23:24.24`	`Ghent`	`I miss my girl a whole lot more though`
`23:24.32`	`mjc`	`Obelix of <Asterix and Obelix>`
`23:24.39`	`mjc`	`wit hthe right accents`
`23:24.46`	`yacoob`	`Would you risk such a trip? Leaving some stuff behind (current work for example), for a trip to a place you'd perhaps have no chance to visit on your own?`
`23:24.46`	`Ghent`	`I was gonna make new guild`
`23:24.50`	`Ghent`	`My Little Pwnies`
`23:25.00`	`mjc`	`we've had two of those already`
`23:25.03`	`Ziegler`	`already exists`
`23:25.06`	`Ghent`	`blah`
`23:25.11`	`Ghent`	`and here I thought I was being original`
`23:25.19`	`mjc`	`Ghent: you're just a scrub`
`23:25.22`	`Ziegler`	`and we have a guild member named WildPwnie`
`23:25.26`	`Ghent`	`apparently :(`
`23:26.11`	`Ghent`	`bah`
`23:26.20`	`Ghent`	`I want to install windows on my SATA but I don't have any floppies`
`23:26.39`	`Ziegler`	`ooh`
`23:26.41`	`Ziegler`	`I didn't see the question`
`23:26.41`	`Ziegler`	`yes`
`23:26.42`	`Ziegler`	`go`
`23:26.54`	`yacoob`	`no, I'm not asking that :>`
`23:27.00`	`yacoob`	`Would you? :)`
`23:27.04`	`Ghent`	`wow`
`23:27.10`	`Ziegler`	`no, because I don't want to go to Japan`
`23:27.12`	`Ziegler`	`but if i did, yes`
`23:27.15`	`Ghent`	`I just scared the crap out of myself`
`23:27.21`	`Ghent`	`I thought I lost my paycheck :o`
`23:27.28`	`yacoob`	`(the decision of mine would of course be influented by various economical issues :)`
`23:27.33`	`Ghent`	`yacoob,`
`23:27.37`	`Ghent`	`for your question`
`23:27.42`	`Ghent`	`I've done that twice in my life`
`23:27.46`	`yacoob`	`Ziegler, substitute Japan with your $dreamplace`
`23:27.55`	`Ziegler`	`I like it here :(`
`23:27.57`	`Ghent`	`both times I'm really glad I did it`
`23:28.11`	`yacoob`	`Ziegler, aw. Congratulations! :D`
`23:28.17`	`Ghent`	`1st time didn't work out so great but so many things about were great that I'll always remember it and be glad about it`
`23:28.19`	`Ziegler`	`I would possibly move to Alaska, but that would be about it`
`23:28.36`	`Ghent`	`I'd move to Japan`
`23:28.42`	`Ghent`	`though lately I've reconsidered that`
`23:28.44`	`Ghent`	`:P`
`23:28.55`	`yacoob`	`hehe :>`
`23:28.57`	`Ghent`	`moving to the current target of a wannabe nuclear nation == bad idea`
`23:29.16`	`Ziegler`	`do you live in the US?`
`23:29.20`	`Ghent`	`yes`
`23:29.21`	`yacoob`	`It's in the works, there's about 60% of chance I'll get an offer.`
`23:29.25`	`Ziegler`	`cause if so, that's a rather silly statement`
`23:29.32`	`Ziegler`	`we're the target of every wannabe nuclear nation`
`23:29.34`	`Ghent`	`but given that n korea has a huge chip on it's shoulder about Japan`
`23:29.37`	`[FH]Birdemani`	`lol, this is why i cant use that CG boss mod, someone just activated 4 bigwig mods while waiting for razor`
`23:29.59`	`Ghent`	`Ziegler, yeah but it's been a threat with the US for so long it's sorta commonplace`
`23:30.15`	`Ziegler`	`well`
`23:30.23`	`Ghent`	`Japan isn't too far from N Korea and people start tossing missiles around, there's really no place to go`
`23:30.25`	`Ziegler`	`given China's take on things I suspect it's the same in japan`
`23:30.38`	`Ziegler`	`they aren't best buds or anything`
`23:30.40`	`Ghent`	`yeah but the Chinese are apparently semi-reasonable`
`23:30.47`	`Ghent`	`trade exports and all that`
`23:31.07`	`Harem`	`is AceEvent borked or something?`
`23:31.32`	`Ghent`	`granted my knowledge is skewed given who feeds me my news, but it seems to me that N Korea is just throwing a hissy fit and wants to start trouble`
`23:31.48`	`Ghent`	`then again... I'd kill Bush too if I could :o`
`23:34.09`	`Ghent`	`I loved living in Canada`
`23:34.15`	`Ghent`	`couldn't tell anyone I was american though`
`23:34.18`	`Ghent`	`that was fun :D`
`23:36.05`	`yacoob`	`Time for me to go. Later folks!`
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`23:43.26`	`Gamefaq\|afk`	`vhaarr: what "Programm" translated is good...`
`23:45.43`	`kergoth`	`why is prat showing channel numbers on my raid chat?`
`23:46.23`	`Gamefaq\|afk`	`i will use it and clean it up since he don�t have the umlauts codes for � � � � but now i go sleep it 01:47 here -_-`
`23:48.25`	`CIA-17`	`03pprovost * r14055 10ClosetGnome_Switcher/ (ClosetGnome_Switcher.lua Modules/Warrior.lua):`
`23:48.25`	`CIA-17`	`ClosetGnome_Switcher:`
`23:48.25`	`CIA-17`	`- Added function to ClosetGnomeSwitcher for getting current Shapeshift form`
`23:48.25`	`CIA-17`	`- Implemented Battle/Defensive stances for Warrior module`
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