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`00:12.22`	`*** topic/#wowace is wowace.com \| http://ace.pastey.net/ \| http://www.lua.org/pil \| Ace 2.0.3768 \| http://www.wowace.com/flyspray/ \| http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php/topic,1980.0.html <-Read Here for SVN Changes`
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`00:14.37`	`andreasg`	`hey Mikma`
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`00:17.19`	`Gngsk`	`hey Mikma`
`00:21.30`	`mjc`	`Mikma: moo`
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`00:29.26`	`frus`	`andreasg, got a question for you :), any chance on ToTT ever in ag_UF?`
`00:29.31`	`Tuplad`	`FuBar_HonorFu prints everything 2 times`
`00:29.55`	`frus`	`it's the reason I went back to nurfed after minigroup2, and it's the reason I won't use ag_UF either ;(, even tho I'd really like to`
`00:30.27`	`andreasg`	`it's just that I don't want to overbloat it`
`00:30.55`	`andreasg`	`so I am considering if I should add it or not, it's just that I don't use tott frame myself`
`00:31.12`	`frus`	`I can't live without it as a healer :/`
`00:31.38`	`kergoth`	`someone should convert mrplow to ace2`
`00:31.40`	`andreasg`	`usually the main tank frames are enough for me`
`00:31.46`	`kergoth`	`right now in svn its some ungodly combination of ace1/ace2`
`00:31.51`	`andreasg`	`to see who the boss is tagetting`
`00:31.58`	`frus`	`ye true, but in 5 man party's, or pvp you don't have mt frames :x`
`00:32.12`	`andreasg`	`yeah`
`00:32.35`	`andreasg`	`in MG I had the tot name show the tott name`
`00:33.19`	`frus`	`ah ye, remember that, that's already a start, even tho a hp bar would be perfect :)`
`00:33.23`	`kergoth`	`whats tott useful for?`
`00:33.34`	`frus`	`to see the player with 'aggro'`
`00:33.36`	`frus`	`while healing someone`
`00:33.56`	`frus`	`it doesn't have a use as dps, but it does as healer :)`
`00:34.33`	`phyber`	`andreasg: couldn't you turn everything into modules? like Sage does?`
`00:34.50`	`phyber`	`then it wouldn't be bloat, people could just choose to not load it.`
`00:35.30`	`andreasg`	`all code is shared so if you don't turn something on it won't take memory`
`00:36.06`	`frus`	`guess a 9th option in frame settings shouldn't hurt ;)`
`00:36.35`	`andreasg`	`probably not :p`
`00:36.41`	`andreasg`	`I am on vacation now`
`00:36.49`	`andreasg`	`so can't take a look right now`
`00:37.56`	`frus`	`sure, just wanted to post about it in the thread someday, but since you were here anyway I could aswell ask here :)`
`00:40.02`	`frus`	`also the zip file from svn files doesn't include the libs, but it was someone else who updated the toc for that, so should slap him :)`
`00:41.35`	`andreasg`	`I dunno anything about zip files`
`00:41.53`	`andreasg`	`must be something new which have happened while I'm on vacation`
`00:42.20`	frus`tv	`ye, it's in the topic here :)`
`00:46.54`	`CIA-11`	`03phyber * r9353 10FuBar_NetStatsFu/NetStatsFu.lua:`
`00:46.54`	`CIA-11`	`NetStatsFu:`
`00:46.54`	`CIA-11`	`- Removed unneeded AceConsole loading.`
`00:47.54`	`kergoth`	`andreasg: clad/kael are killing anonymous svn access, but clad implemented periodic automatic production of zip files from the addons on the trunk`
`00:48.40`	`andreasg`	`aha`
`00:48.50`	`andreasg`	`how often?`
`00:48.54`	`andreasg`	`daily?`
`00:49.19`	`phyber`	`on commit.`
`00:49.26`	`phyber`	`commit = new zip created`
`00:50.19`	`andreasg`	`cool`
`00:52.12`	`kergoth`	`i hope he did it smarter than that. use the commit as the trigger, but also throttle it, only X # of times per hour as well`
`00:52.26`	`kergoth`	`otherwise itll put quite the load on the server when a lot of people are working`
`00:55.55`	`Nightdew`	`who is likes thinking out algorithms?`
`00:56.05`	`andreasg`	`yes, but it isn't smart enough to know if the last commit was a critical one`
`00:56.14`	`Codayus`	`Hmm, I dunno...how many commits do we see in an hour, max?`
`00:56.49`	`Codayus`	`A throttle would be elegant, but I don't think it's needed.`
`00:58.49`	frus`tv	`usually a fast new commit is a critical one ;)`
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`01:01.27`	`kergoth`	`true, theres probably only like 30-40 commits a day, if that`
`01:01.40`	`andreasg`	`or someone commiting without testing code :P`
`01:01.59`	`Tuplad`	`dudes`
`01:02.06`	`Tuplad`	`FuBar_HonorFu shows everything 2x`
`01:02.14`	`Tuplad`	`the output in chat I mean`
`01:02.19`	`ckknight`	`cause you're foreign.`
`01:02.23`	`Tuplad`	`-_-"`
`01:03.05`	`ckknight`	`I'm pretty sure that's why.`
`01:03.17`	`Tuplad`	`Right :>`
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`01:13.19`	`Health`	`Good morning`
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`01:14.21`	`Health`	`wowhead is damn slack on running batches`
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`01:29.11`	`CIA-11`	`03phyber * r9354 10VoicesFromBeyond/ (Core.lua VoicesFromBeyond.toc):`
`01:29.11`	`CIA-11`	`VoicesFromBeyond:`
`01:29.11`	`CIA-11`	`- Updated TOC`
`01:29.11`	`CIA-11`	`- Changed L'' to L['']`
`01:31.58`	`CIA-11`	`03kaelten * r9355 10Ace2/AceLocale-2.1/AceLocale-2.1.lua:`
`01:31.58`	`CIA-11`	`Ace2 -`
`01:31.58`	`CIA-11`	`-Fixed bug with locales that don't exist and are returned from GetLocale()`
`01:36.04`	`kergoth`	`elkbuffbar needs to get redone`
`01:36.09`	`kergoth`	`it doesnt grow upwards properly, driving me nuts`
`01:36.29`	`[Epic]Gemski`	`I've been using it. But I have it going down.`
`01:36.31`	`CIA-11`	`03kaelten * r9356 10OneBag/readme.txt: OneBag - ping pong ping, rebuild me please.`
`01:37.22`	`CIA-11`	`03phyber * r9357 10GCInfo/ (GCInfo.lua GCInfo.toc):`
`01:37.22`	`CIA-11`	`GCInfo:`
`01:37.22`	`CIA-11`	`- Added Version: and X-Category: to TOC`
`01:37.23`	`CIA-11`	`- Removed some pointless whitespace from the core.`
`01:38.41`	`KaeltenAway`	`hrm`
`01:39.23`	`CIA-11`	`03phyber * r9358 10FuBar_GCInFu/FuBar_GCInFu.toc:`
`01:39.23`	`CIA-11`	`GCInFu:`
`01:39.23`	`CIA-11`	`- Added Version: and X-Category: to TOC`
`01:41.44`	`Tuplad`	`Kaelten :D`
`01:41.50`	`Tuplad`	`What does OneRing do ?`
`01:42.22`	`Kaelten`	`gives you a OneBag stylized keyring`
`01:42.31`	`Tuplad`	`leet`
`01:44.46`	`mjc`	`how does the hakkar MC stuff work? it changes syou into a hostile? or what`
`01:44.48`	`Kaelten`	`ya, I plan to add options to it, just havn't got around to it yet`
`01:46.17`	`mjc`	`KCI still goes ape if you accidentally lcick on a different auctions tab while scanning`
`01:46.22`	`Tuplad`	`:o`
`01:46.27`	`Tuplad`	`http://img170.imageshack.us/my.php?image=specialaz1.jpg`
`01:46.46`	`mjc`	`crashed my safari`
`01:46.51`	`Tuplad`	`:\|`
`01:46.52`	`mjc`	`but yes you are a retard`
`01:46.56`	`Tuplad`	`-_-"`
`01:47.08`	`Tuplad`	`Silence, woman!`
`01:47.17`	`Tuplad`	`but uhh, g'night`
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`01:47.34`	`mjc`	`owned`
`01:47.36`	`mjc`	`haha.`
`01:50.55`	`Nightdew`	`is AH_MailCollect a direct replacement for CT_MAilMod?`
`01:52.45`	`CIA-11`	`03tuplad * r9359 10Combine/Combine.toc: Combine - Updated .toc for the zip file on the new svn.`
`01:53.17`	`Gngsk`	`Nightdew, no, that's GMail`
`01:53.51`	`mjc`	`who actually wrote combine :P`
`01:53.56`	`mjc`	`nice gui no code though`
`01:54.06`	`Kaelten`	`mjc: Combine is mine`
`01:54.19`	`Kaelten`	`code is forthcoming :)`
`01:54.20`	`mjc`	`Kaelten: would you like a little help on the code? :)`
`01:54.48`	`Kaelten`	`hrm, we can talk about :)`
`01:54.50`	`Kaelten`	`it`
`01:54.59`	`mjc`	`it'd use commchannel etc`
`01:55.08`	`Kaelten`	`well its going to use AceComm`
`01:55.52`	`mjc`	`well you know what I mean ;)`
`01:56.16`	`mjc`	`I'm in bwl so I just typed what came to mind`
`01:56.35`	`Kaelten`	`lol`
`01:57.04`	`Kaelten`	`Let me get a little more work done on it and then we'll start working togather on it.`
`01:57.12`	`Kaelten`	`I want to get the general framework setup first`
`01:57.18`	`mjc`	`sure :)`
`01:57.27`	`Kaelten`	`cool, thanks for the offer.`
`01:57.42`	`Kaelten`	`I definately am going to need some help setting it up since the guild that was helping me quit wow, lol`
`01:57.48`	`mjc`	`heh`
`01:57.56`	`mjc`	`I have a few users using my mod pack with combine in it already`
`01:58.08`	`Kaelten`	`lmao`
`01:58.15`	`Kaelten`	`um, well its a handy calendar`
`01:58.41`	`mjc`	`I told them to turn it off til it's ready`
`02:00.35`	`phyber`	`tuplad has svn access? crazy.`
`02:00.45`	`Kaelten`	`lol`
`02:02.09`	`Kaelten`	`mjc: end plans for combine have more stuff in it than just a event tracker though`
`02:02.14`	`mjc`	`yeah`
`02:02.25`	`mjc`	`dkp listing would be sweet :)`
`02:02.52`	`Kaelten`	`more than that`
`02:03.08`	`Kaelten`	`;)`
`02:03.39`	`phyber`	`so, this is going to replace GEM?`
`02:04.18`	`mjc`	`and raidtracker probably`
`02:04.29`	`Kaelten`	`phyber: ya`
`02:04.31`	`phyber`	`never used raidtracker. what's that one do?`
`02:04.34`	`phyber`	`Kaelten: cool :)`
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`02:07.46`	`Kaelten`	`also going to let it be setup so that you can have permissions setup to let ranks or anyone for that matter look at your equipment, bank, inventory, skills ect`
`02:08.41`	`Kaelten`	`loot histories for sanctioned raids`
`02:08.56`	`Kaelten`	`random stuff like that`
`02:09.27`	`phyber`	`will i have to write a mod to convert GEM garbage to this wonderful new thingamajig?`
`02:09.31`	`Health`	`Sounds wonderful`
`02:09.49`	`Kaelten`	`lol`
`02:09.53`	`Kaelten`	`maybe`
`02:10.05`	`Kaelten`	`I'm not studying their data structure, :s`
`02:10.08`	`phyber`	`i'd like to be able to use it, even though the rest of my guild probably wouldn't.`
`02:10.12`	`Health`	`Tuplad actually has svn commit access?`
`02:10.21`	`phyber`	`we're talking about people who use that ThreatMeter thing :p`
`02:11.19`	`phyber`	`Health: I know, shocking.`
`02:12.24`	`Kaelten`	`ThreatMeter?`
`02:12.57`	`sbu`	`hmm`
`02:13.05`	`[Epic]Gemski`	`ktm`
`02:13.55`	`sbu`	`Kaelten: speaking about dkp listing - would be nice if you implement saving dkp values in public/off. note :o`
`02:14.38`	`sbu`	`(dreaming... ;p)`
`02:16.27`	`sbu`	`well - goodnite then ;)`
`02:16.38`	`mjc`	`be nice if VFB could announce to different channels`
`02:17.10`	`Health`	`dkp ftl!`
`02:17.33`	`Gngsk`	`/random ftw`
`02:17.56`	`Health`	`We actually used that up to raggy.. heh`
`02:18.01`	`Health`	`before we adopted Suicide Kings`
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`02:24.50`	`Kaelten`	`sbu: I'm not going to use notes to save anything that just seems tackey, even if it is a little more hack proof`
`02:26.39`	`mjc`	`Kaelten: it'd be a nice option`
`02:26.49`	`Kaelten`	`what would be?`
`02:27.09`	`mjc`	`store in officer note`
`02:27.32`	`Kaelten`	`but why?`
`02:27.53`	`Kaelten`	`I would rather make it so that the only person who a client will listen too for stuff like that are guild leaders.`
`02:28.17`	`mjc`	`our guild leaders are not always on and they sometimes have flakey machines and whatnot`
`02:28.24`	`Cairenn`	`phyber: ownership transferred`
`02:28.31`	`mjc`	`much rather have an option to store it somewhere eon blizz's servers :)`
`02:28.54`	`Kaelten`	`hrm, we'll see.`
`02:29.10`	`Kaelten`	`The system I plan on doing is going to have to have flexable permissions.`
`02:30.30`	`Kaelten`	`might be able to work something out`
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`02:32.02`	`mjc`	`Kaelten: pseudocode something`
`02:32.04`	`mjc`	`:)`
`02:32.31`	`mjc`	`ckknight: isanything even using commchannel now?`
`02:32.40`	`ckknight`	`commchannel?`
`02:32.50`	`mjc`	`wasn't that an addon you wrote?`
`02:32.58`	`phyber`	`Cairenn: thanks.`
`02:32.58`	`ckknight`	`I wrote AceComm`
`02:33.21`	`mjc`	`ah`
`02:33.24`	`ckknight`	`I don't know, no one has said that they're using it`
`02:33.44`	`mjc`	`thought it was yours. I suppose I'm just retarded :)`
`02:34.35`	`ckknight`	`k`
`02:37.55`	`Health`	`Hah`
`02:37.59`	`Health`	`You're a meanie ckk!`
`02:38.05`	`ckknight`	`how so?`
`02:40.03`	`Health`	`you don't deny that poor mjc is a retard :/`
`02:40.15`	`Health`	`But.. nevermind :p`
`02:40.24`	`ckknight`	`I'm just agreeing with him, I'm an agreeable person`
`02:41.04`	`FryGuy_`	`wait acecomm uses the new invisible channels right?`
`02:41.09`	`Health`	`I wonder if our little guild can down Instructor Razuvious`
`02:41.43`	`ckknight`	`yes, FryGuy_`
`02:43.09`	`FryGuy_`	`can you just send an entire table over the comm?`
`02:43.21`	`FryGuy_`	`actually i should probably reda the api`
`02:48.00`	`kergoth`	`god i fucking hate pugs`
`02:50.12`	`ckknight`	`FryGuy, you can send lots of stuff over`
`02:50.18`	`ckknight`	`tables, strings, numbers, AceOO objects`
`02:50.19`	`ckknight`	`etc.`
`02:50.30`	`FryGuy`	`i made a manual thing to send a table over`
`02:50.34`	`FryGuy`	`it was quite annoying heh`
`02:51.26`	`kergoth`	`tank that beats on one guy instead of holding aggro from all the elites`
`02:51.31`	`kergoth`	`mage that cant pull worth a damn`
`02:51.36`	`kergoth`	`priest that panics`
`02:55.04`	`Health`	`Huh? :P`
`02:58.41`	`kergoth`	`45 min run, priest gets all nervous about the timetable and fucks up the pulls`
`02:58.42`	`kergoth`	`good fun`
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`02:59.46`	`andreasg`	`45m run is pretty easy`
`03:00.02`	`andreasg`	`I can't speak for if you have green gear though`
`03:00.15`	`Health`	`Hehe, priest pulling?`
`03:00.20`	`andreasg`	`yes`
`03:00.25`	`andreasg`	`shackle`
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`03:03.57`	`CIA-11`	`03theondry * r9360 10SnaFu/ (Changes.txt SnaFu-enUS.lua SnaFu.lua SnaFu.toc readme.txt):`
`03:03.57`	`CIA-11`	`SnaFu`
`03:03.57`	`CIA-11`	`1.7a 27Aug06`
`03:03.57`	`CIA-11`	`<PROTECTED>`
`03:07.35`	`kergoth`	`andreasg: thats the sad part, everyone had at least mostly tier 0/0.5, at least 3 had part of tier 1`
`03:07.40`	`kergoth`	`shouldve been fine, they were just dumbasses`
`03:07.43`	`kergoth`	`</rant>`
`03:10.34`	`Arrowmaster`	`the most usefull thing to have for a 45min run is a dps warrior who knows the pulls and knows how to aoe tank`
`03:17.41`	`Tem`	`the most useful thing on one of those runs is 2 pallies`
`03:17.48`	`Tem`	`and a good mage`
`03:18.49`	`Kaelten`	`gnight guys`
`03:19.44`	`Arrowmaster`	`well i play horde so i have no idea what use 2 pallies brings besides blessing of wisdom and judgement of wisdom/light`
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`03:59.54`	`Kirov`	`Can anyone recomend to me an addon that has an embedded fubar2 plugin (that's done nicely)`
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`04:01.08`	`mjc`	`Kirov: BW`
`04:02.13`	`Kirov`	`BW?`
`04:03.44`	`CIA-11`	`03fryguy * r9361 10BigWigs/Naxxramas/Horsemen.lua: BigWigs: some horsemen changes`
`04:03.47`	`mjc`	`bigwigs.`
`04:03.48`	`mjc`	`:)`
`04:04.14`	`Kirov`	`ah`
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`04:06.20`	`CIA-11`	`03fryguy * r9362 10BigWigs/BigWigs.toc: BigWigs: touching toc to show up in the files thingy`
`04:06.31`	`FryGuy`	`gah`
`04:06.34`	`FryGuy`	`how long does it take :/`
`04:07.10`	`haste`	`Gngsk: I'm here now ;)`
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`04:15.11`	`mjc`	`http://forums.darkangels.com/viewtopic.php?t=3734`
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`04:36.55`	`haste`	`I dinged 19 IRL today, yay for me`
`04:37.34`	`Cairenn`	`happy birthday haste`
`04:37.54`	`mjc`	`grats`
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`04:56.54`	`MentalPower`	`Updated video card drivers + Overclocked Video Card = 5x increase in FPS :)`
`04:57.18`	`haste`	`5x? :<`
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`05:22.08`	`mjc`	`MentalPower: did you not have drivers installed at all beforehand or something? I don't believe that`
`05:23.25`	`Tek`	`hehe`
`05:23.37`	`Tek`	`an old friend, from my guild way back at release...`
`05:24.04`	`Tek`	`"I didn't know you developed bigwigs!"`
`05:24.15`	`Tek`	`"its amaaaaaaazing"`
`05:24.17`	`CIA-11`	`03yzerman * r9363 10Clique/ (5 files in 2 dirs): Clique: Convert the pattern "(%d+) .+ (%d+)" to a localization variable HEALTH_PATTERN`
`05:24.18`	`Mikma`	`hmmh`
`05:24.21`	`Mikma`	`mjc: pong`
`05:24.28`	`Tek`	`"my guild is in nax, we are wiping on thaddius atm`
`05:24.28`	`Tek`	`we got this thaddius arrows plugin for bigwigs and holy crap its awesome"`
`05:24.29`	`Mikma`	`Gngsk: pong`
`05:24.38`	`mjc`	`Mikma: bartender2's keyboard shortcuts and shifting bars are broken now`
`05:24.39`	`Tek`	`"well if you need beta testers my guild is willing hah"`
`05:24.43`	`Tek`	`:)`
`05:24.54`	`Tek`	`I pointed her to the SVN, she's a coder type`
`05:24.56`	`Mikma`	`mjc: "keyboard shortcuts"?`
`05:25.01`	`Tek`	`and I told her to switch to Fu`
`05:25.02`	`Kirov`	`I never realized you could tweak combat log distances`
`05:25.06`	`mjc`	`Mikma: 1-=`
`05:25.21`	`Mikma`	`mjc: umf, no way :O work on me`
`05:25.33`	`mjc`	`Mikma: I stealth, then hit 2, which is cheapshot, then get destealthed, the bar switches... but when I hit 2 it tries to cast cheapshot`
`05:25.36`	`Mikma`	`mjc: but the shapeshift IS broken`
`05:25.51`	`Tek`	`Kir, neither did we`
`05:26.10`	`Health`	`Good morning`
`05:26.15`	`Kirov`	`That's a very odd thing to allow the user to alter`
`05:26.18`	`mjc`	`mornin health`
`05:26.18`	`Health`	`Back at work :/`
`05:26.24`	`Health`	`After 3 weeks of vacation`
`05:27.00`	`ckknight_`	`brb`
`05:27.28`	`kergoth`	`yay for office space`
`05:27.49`	`MentalPower`	`mjc: http://pastey.net/449`
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`05:28.19`	`mjc`	`4fps, that makes sense`
`05:28.37`	`mjc`	`sounds like a driver bug`
`05:28.45`	`CIA-11`	`03yzerman * r9364 10Clique/ (4 files): Clique: Add a localization variable HEALTH_PATTERN`
`05:28.47`	`CIA-11`	`03mikma * r9365 10Bartender2/Bartender2.lua: Bartender2: Roguefix. barswap still broken`
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`05:41.40`	`CIA-11`	`03grayhoof * r9366 10EavesDrop/ (EavesDrop.lua EavesDrop.xml): EavesDrop: Added tab to top for dragging and right click for menu.`
`05:43.16`	`Kirov`	`Bigwigs doesn't seem to account for misses`
`05:43.19`	`Kirov`	`tranq misses`
`05:43.33`	`Kirov`	`is that intentional?`
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`05:44.57`	`Tem`	`Kirov, it's probably not so much intentional or unintentional, but more that it's more difficult to detect`
`05:45.09`	`Tem`	`maybe a planned feature that isn't ready, ect`
`05:46.51`	`Kirov`	`I track hit and misses for you and all fellow players in SimpleTranqShot ... it's not difficult. :P`
`05:47.12`	`Kirov`	`You cast spell vs. You spell missed`
`05:56.58`	`mjc`	`Kirov: requirse all hunters tranqing to have it installed though`
`05:58.19`	`Kirov`	`mjc - noticed`
`05:58.34`	`Kirov`	`sticking to my STranq anyways.`
`06:01.01`	`mjc`	`shrug`
`06:01.12`	`mjc`	`not a hunter :)`
`06:01.30`	`Kirov`	`be glad for that`
`06:01.36`	`Kirov`	`too many of us`
`06:01.42`	`Kirov`	`And we're all dumb`
`06:01.46`	`Kirov`	`not rogue dumb`
`06:01.50`	`Kirov`	`but dumb none the less`
`06:02.04`	`Thiana`	`What is 'TranqShot' anyway?`
`06:04.38`	`Kirov`	`Tranquilizing Shot is a hunter spell that drops off of Lucifron in Molten Core. It's used to dispell Frenzy from mobs.`
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`06:10.40`	`FryGuy`	`is there a way to turn that tranq thing off in BW?`
`06:10.50`	`FryGuy`	`i'm a priest.. i don't care about them :p`
`06:12.29`	`Armooo`	`uncheck it on the fubar menu or /bigwigs boss MC Magmadar frenzy`
`06:13.15`	`Kebinusan`	`Armooo, no thats different`
`06:13.32`	`Armooo`	`well then not what I said`
`06:13.38`	`Kebinusan`	`fry, delete tranq.lua is about the only way at the moment I dont think Tek has added options for it yet`
`06:13.54`	`FryGuy`	`ya i know about that`
`06:13.57`	`FryGuy`	`but.. in the menu :p`
`06:14.38`	`CIA-11`	`03tardmrr * r9367 10FinderReminder/FinderReminder.lua:`
`06:14.38`	`CIA-11`	`FinderReminder:`
`06:14.38`	`CIA-11`	`<PROTECTED>`
`06:17.33`	`Kebinusan`	`Yeah, I really dont care to see traq cooldowns either`
`06:17.55`	`Kebinusan`	`I asked tekk about it a while ago he said he didnt want to add options until it was good and tested or something`
`06:20.50`	`Kirov`	`is there an easy place to download tek support?`
`06:21.12`	`Kirov`	`I haven't quite gotten the hang of usinv the SVN yet`
`06:21.44`	`Kebinusan`	`Kirov, http://svn.wowace.com/files`
`06:23.11`	`CIA-11`	`03tardmrr * r9368 10FinderReminder/FinderReminder.toc: FinderReminder: Added Notes and Author fields to the toc`
`06:25.06`	`ckknight_`	`man, I have to learn an entire semester's worth of calculus in one night`
`06:29.33`	`mjc`	`hey hey ck`
`06:30.12`	`ckknight`	`hey`
`06:30.24`	`sbu`	`'morning`
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`06:33.43`	`Kirov`	`latest version of teksupport, the sort by time / memory options are backwards`
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`06:36.35`	`CIA-11`	`03laric * r9369 10AoFHeal/ (AoFHeal.lua AoFHeal.toc):`
`06:36.35`	`CIA-11`	`AoFHeal:`
`06:36.35`	`CIA-11`	`- Stopped using rosterlib until I can figure why it isn't working as intended for me`
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`06:57.35`	`CIA-11`	`03greywind * r9370 10Shifter/Shifter.toc: Shifter: meh`
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`07:03.32`	Neronix`sleep	`Anyone know a good set of tweaked nvidia drivers?`
`07:03.42`	Neronix`sleep	`ZTweaked seems inactive :(`
`07:07.09`	`Mikma`	`hellllllo world`
`07:07.21`	`Mikma`	`greeting from computerschool`
`07:07.29`	`ckknight`	`hey guy`
`07:08.14`	Neronix`sleep	`~emulate ckknight`
`07:08.16`	`purl`	`ACTION quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))`
`07:08.24`	`Mikma`	`people are learning how to change the background of xp so i decided to come and irc`
`07:08.27`	Neronix`sleep	`~emulate ckknight`
`07:08.28`	`purl`	`ACTION quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))`
`07:08.30`	`Mikma`	`btw`
`07:08.35`	Neronix`sleep	`no, the other one >.>`
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`07:08.40`	Neronix`sleep	`~emulate ckknight`
`07:08.42`	`purl`	`ACTION quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))`
`07:08.43`	`Mikma`	`energydrink + coffee to empty stomach = NOT GOOD`
`07:08.46`	Neronix`sleep	`nvm...`
`07:09.03`	`ckknight`	`~emulate ckknight`
`07:09.05`	`purl`	`f*ck you, guy`
`07:09.21`	`Mikma`	`~literal ckknight`
`07:09.27`	`Elkano`	`yea, mikma, cs at school used to be fun ;)`
`07:09.43`	`Mikma`	`cs at school.. neat :)`
`07:10.41`	`Elkano`	`(computer science, not counter-strike :P )`
`07:10.42`	`ckknight`	`yea`
`07:10.52`	`Mikma`	`~literal emulate ckknight`
`07:10.53`	`purl`	`"emulate ckknight" is "(<action> quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))\|<reply>f*ck you, guy)"`
`07:10.59`	`ckknight`	`I was always the best one in computer science class ;-)`
`07:11.08`	`ckknight`	`wonder why...`
`07:11.10`	`ckknight`	`hehe`
`07:11.22`	`CIA-11`	`03fryguy * r9371 10FryListDKP/ (5 files): FryListDKP: FryListDKP: change lib paths (updated externals and toc). Add support for querying raid status for FryBid.`
`07:11.37`	`CIA-11`	`03greywind * r9372 10Shifter/ (Shifter.lua Shifter.toc): Shifter: work darnit!`
`07:13.16`	`Mikma`	`purl: no, emulate ckknight is "(<action> quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))\|<reply>f*ck you, guy\|<reply>You know why? Because you touch yourself at night)"`
`07:13.17`	`purl`	`Mikma: okay`
`07:13.26`	`ckknight`	`hehe, it's so true.`
`07:13.26`	`Mikma`	`~emulate ckknight`
`07:13.28`	`purl`	`methinks emulate ckknight is "<action> quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))"`
`07:13.32`	`Mikma`	`GAH`
`07:13.36`	`Mikma`	`spoiled :(`
`07:13.46`	`Mikma`	`purl: no, emulate ckknight is (<action> quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))\|<reply>f*ck you, guy\|<reply>You know why? Because you touch yourself at night)`
`07:13.47`	`purl`	`okay, Mikma`
`07:13.50`	`Mikma`	`~emulate ckknight`
`07:13.51`	`purl`	`You know why? Because you touch yourself at night`
`07:14.01`	`Mikma`	`therewe go :)`
`07:14.16`	`ckknight`	`finally, it represents who I am.`
`07:15.37`	`Kirov`	`Is that a comment in reference to why someone has fabulous wealth and beautiful women attempting to get your attention?`
`07:16.18`	`ckknight`	`no, whenever someone comes at me with a bug`
`07:16.23`	`ckknight`	`I accuse them of masturbation`
`07:16.30`	`Mikma`	`true`
`07:16.35`	`FryGuy`	`hey i found a bug in fubar.. it doesn't work!`
`07:16.39`	`FryGuy`	`:p`
`07:16.47`	`ckknight`	`cause you touch yourself at night.`
`07:16.50`	`FryGuy`	`no wai!`
`07:16.55`	`ckknight`	`ya wai!`
`07:19.03`	`ckknight`	`srsly.`
`07:19.13`	`Laric`	`orly?`
`07:19.56`	`ckknight`	`yarly.`
`07:21.50`	`Elkano`	`sometimes he even blames me as source for the bug :/ most likely when I've just come online :/`
`07:22.04`	`ckknight`	`also true`
`07:22.15`	`ckknight`	`others as well`
`07:22.21`	`ckknight`	`Tuplad's a good scapegoat`
`07:23.14`	`Laric`	`how far is the normal range for the combat log?`
`07:23.48`	`Kirov`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/Config.wtf_defaults`
`07:23.48`	`Laric`	`so I can set it back to normal.. parserlib is killing me... giving me approx 7 fps on a raid...`
`07:24.06`	`Kirov`	`GetCVarDefault()`
`07:24.17`	`Laric`	`ah nice didnt know that one`
`07:24.43`	`Laric`	`is there any kinda of list of all known cvars?`
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`07:25.03`	`Kirov`	`^^^ points at link ^^^`
`07:25.08`	`tumetom`	`morning`
`07:27.20`	`Laric`	`kirov have you seen any more detailed list on what the different cvars mean?`
`07:27.28`	`Kirov`	`nope`
`07:27.40`	`Laric`	`ok thanks anyhow..`
`07:36.34`	`Laric`	`whats the link to the old wow forums. anyone know?`
`07:38.58`	`[Ammo]`	`morning`
`07:39.03`	`[Ammo]`	`they don't work anymore afaik`
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`07:39.50`	`Mikma`	`hi SunTiger with a trout`
`07:39.51`	`CIA-11`	`03greywind * r9373 10Shifter/ (Locales.lua Shifter.lua Shifter.toc libs/): Shifter: reverting to AceLocale-2.0`
`07:41.01`	`MoonWolf`	`Mikma, Oo`
`07:43.48`	`tumetom`	`i'm trying to do my first ace addon... how do I use AceHook ? are there any docs?`
`07:44.20`	`Mikma`	`check from Bartender2.lua`
`07:44.25`	`Mikma`	`it's rather simple actually :)`
`07:44.50`	`Mikma`	`Bartender = AceLibrary("AceAddon-2.0"):new("AceEvent-2.0", "AceHook-2.0", "AceDB-2.0", "AceConsole-2.0")`
`07:45.01`	`Mikma`	`self:Hook("UpdateTalentButton")`
`07:45.15`	`Mikma`	`function Bartender:UpdateTalentButton()`
`07:45.15`	`[Ammo]`	`tumetom: wiki.wowace.com`
`07:45.16`	`Mikma`	`end`
`07:45.19`	`Mikma`	`that's about it`
`07:45.24`	`[Ammo]`	`click Ace2 API documentation`
`07:46.38`	`Mikma`	`that example i pasted removes the TalentButton hiding for levels less than 10 :)`
`07:46.55`	`tumetom`	`hm.. looks simple`
`07:47.37`	`Mikma`	`it is, i was surprised too when i first got it working`
`07:47.47`	`Mikma`	`it's simple and pretty damn good too`
`07:48.29`	`Mikma`	`http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/Ace`
`07:48.46`	`Mikma`	`that one misses the changeable value of commits log :(`
`07:48.48`	`tumetom`	`next question... this "standby" feature...`
`07:49.13`	`Mikma`	`i wan't to see more than the commits on that page, something like 100 backlog would be nice`
`07:49.27`	`tumetom`	`is this automaticly done by ace?`
`07:49.47`	`[Ammo]`	`it's an Ace feature yeah`
`07:52.10`	`Laric`	`[Ammo] clearing the bigwigs save file made bigwigs work for us again.. we must have gotten some weird ass savefile together :P`
`07:52.22`	`Mikma`	`work?`
`07:52.26`	`Mikma`	`what's wrong with it?`
`07:52.47`	`[Ammo]`	`Laric: you can also reset your combat log distance from bigwigs (well some of em)`
`07:52.53`	`Laric`	`it didnt seem to sync.. but after all of us deleted the wtf file it worked perfectly again`
`07:52.55`	`FryGuy`	`hmm`
`07:53.17`	`FryGuy`	`you can have your class spread over a couple files right?`
`07:53.35`	`FryGuy`	`er crap`
`07:53.39`	`FryGuy`	`it's in the wrong dir`
`07:53.41`	`FryGuy`	`stupid IDE :(`
`07:53.41`	`tumetom`	`btw... yesterday has been our first "ora" raid`
`07:53.53`	`FryGuy`	`ora2?`
`07:53.56`	`tumetom`	`we had problems getting MTTs after disconnects`
`07:53.56`	`Mikma`	`i raided yesterday with wrong oRA2`
`07:54.02`	`Mikma`	`i raided with the version in trunk :P`
`07:54.08`	`tumetom`	`ora1`
`07:54.10`	`ckknight`	`tumetom, read the wiki.`
`07:54.16`	`Mikma`	`then after raid i realized it and updated from branches/Ammo`
`07:54.19`	`ckknight`	`all docs are there`
`07:54.19`	`Laric`	`ora2 that i used yesterday was really nice`
`07:54.45`	`Laric`	`[Ammo] will there be a target management in ora2?`
`07:54.48`	`tumetom`	`ckknight concerning the ace library?`
`07:55.00`	`Mikma`	`Laric: there already should be?`
`07:55.05`	`Mikma`	`atleast that's what i heard`
`07:55.08`	`Laric`	`I mean /tm`
`07:55.12`	`Mikma`	`just /ora mt set #`
`07:55.15`	`ckknight`	`tumetom, concerning everything`
`07:55.58`	`Laric`	`mikma can you set the tanks target using /ora mt set ?`
`07:56.17`	`Mikma`	`yes you should be able :)`
`07:56.23`	`Mikma`	`i think that's the whole idea of it :D`
`07:56.34`	`dreadlyone`	`ora menu?`
`07:56.38`	`Mikma`	`oh targets`
`07:56.42`	`Mikma`	`hmm not sure about that one`
`07:56.47`	`dreadlyone`	`does all that no?`
`07:56.50`	`Mikma`	`i dunno has ora never had that feature in it`
`07:56.56`	`[Ammo]`	`ora had it`
`07:57.03`	`[Ammo]`	`but it was well hidden`
`07:57.04`	`Mikma`	`pretty damn useless now`
`07:57.05`	`Laric`	`like ctra uses /tm it is really really nice`
`07:57.12`	`[Ammo]`	`no it sucks cock`
`07:57.13`	`FryGuy`	`heh`
`07:57.17`	`FryGuy`	`you don't really need /tm anymore`
`07:57.20`	`Mikma`	`yeah`
`07:57.23`	`FryGuy`	`just.. mark shit with symbols`
`07:57.23`	`Mikma`	`raidtargets ftw`
`07:57.32`	`FryGuy`	`and use like paintball or something to have your tanks grab the symbols`
`07:57.33`	`[Ammo]`	`the ora version was hold a key`
`07:57.35`	`Kebinusan`	`tm?`
`07:57.38`	`dreadlyone`	`ora menu does it pretty easily`
`07:57.43`	`[Ammo]`	`hover over a mob`
`07:57.44`	`Kebinusan`	`oh target manage thing`
`07:57.46`	`[Ammo]`	`or target it`
`07:57.50`	`[Ammo]`	`and assign the tank with a keypress`
`07:57.58`	`[Ammo]`	`it would only assign untanked mobs`
`07:58.00`	`[Ammo]`	`but shrug`
`07:58.09`	`[Ammo]`	`all obsolete with raidtargets`
`07:58.11`	`Mikma`	`usssselessssss`
`07:59.21`	`Laric`	`I see you guys dont like it :P`
`08:01.04`	`Mikma`	`http://matin.maapallo.org/kuvatuuppari/sinfest/2163/20060827.gif`
`08:01.10`	`Mikma`	`well it's useless :D`
`08:01.15`	`Mikma`	`since we have the raidtargets now`
`08:01.18`	`Mikma`	`rockrock`
`08:01.49`	`Laric`	`will have a look at paintball then`
`08:02.07`	`Mikma`	`use rightclick on mob-frame :D`
`08:02.16`	`Mikma`	`that's a paintball enough hehe`
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`08:02.36`	`FryGuy`	`well what we have our tanks do is just mark unmarked mobs`
`08:02.39`	`Moondrake`	`good morning`
`08:02.43`	`FryGuy`	`with their own symbol`
`08:02.46`	`FryGuy`	`it's easy enough :p`
`08:02.53`	`Mikma`	`aye`
`08:03.10`	`Laric`	`well I will try`
`08:03.29`	`Laric`	`see if i can get em to do what i ask em to do :P`
`08:03.33`	`kergoth`	`sheesh, after running ustrat twice a day for a week or two, nothing. now today, i get ramstein's lightning bolts trinket, the agi/atkpwr cloak from baron, and the shadowcraft legs, in one run`
`08:03.39`	`kergoth`	`weird luck`
`08:03.49`	`FryGuy`	`happens to all of us`
`08:03.50`	`Mikma`	`Laric: "Your target is skull. tank it."`
`08:03.57`	`kergoth`	`FryGuy: yeah, just weird :)`
`08:04.06`	`Mikma`	`kergoth: what? no epix muont?`
`08:04.11`	`FryGuy`	`we had an alt get like 9 epics today`
`08:04.16`	`Laric`	`mikma they are used to me doing it all for em :P`
`08:04.25`	`Mikma`	`Laric: lazyass mofo's`
`08:04.34`	`FryGuy`	`i hadn't gotten anything for like 3-4 weeks, then i've gotten like 5 things in the past 2`
`08:04.38`	`Mikma`	`that'll give you some free masturbating-time when you can just say "do that"`
`08:04.58`	`kergoth`	`Mikma: i wish`
`08:04.59`	`Laric`	`i doubt my wife will think i should do that..`
`08:05.00`	`Zicon`	`And free masturbating-time is important, no doubt.`
`08:05.03`	`kergoth`	`i still dont have an epic mount`
`08:05.04`	`FryGuy`	`do you /tm every pull?`
`08:05.17`	`Laric`	`fryguy nah.. boss fights`
`08:05.26`	`FryGuy`	`what boss fights need /tm?`
`08:05.37`	`Laric`	`garr major homo`
`08:05.42`	`FryGuy`	`oh mc :/`
`08:05.43`	`FryGuy`	`forgot`
`08:05.47`	`Laric`	`dogpacks :P`
`08:06.02`	`Laric`	`we havent gotten very far into bwl yet`
`08:06.03`	`FryGuy`	`ours just mark themselves`
`08:06.14`	`FryGuy`	`with their own symbol`
`08:06.17`	`*** join/#wowace Deviad (n=Deviad@85-18-14-25.fastres.net)`
`08:06.21`	`FryGuy`	`our mt is the blue moon`
`08:06.26`	`Kebinusan`	`be nice if there was a mod that does that`
`08:06.26`	`FryGuy`	`our ot is the pink diamond`
`08:06.40`	`FryGuy`	`our dps warrior that always pulls aggro is the blue square if there's 4`
`08:06.44`	`Kebinusan`	`pick your symbol at the start then just assign it to what you're targeting if it doesnt have a symbol`
`08:07.01`	`FryGuy`	`so when I see the blue square and he's in my group i know to drop what I'm doing and heal him :p`
`08:07.02`	`Kirov`	`SymbolFu`
`08:08.01`	`FryGuy`	`hmm. might be an interesting mod :p`
`08:14.28`	`Deviad`	`What do you think about this: http://img244.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wowscrnshot082806100425qb2.jpg ?`
`08:15.02`	`Kebinusan`	`actually yeah I would like something like that... Im kind of amazed it doesnt exist`
`08:15.04`	`Kirov`	`I think you have a kirby on your fubar`
`08:15.14`	`MoonWolf`	`to much photek`
`08:15.30`	`Deviad`	`MoonWolf, well, I have changed some mods`
`08:15.37`	`Deviad`	`with some more proficient`
`08:15.50`	`Kebinusan`	`too much space devoted to things I dont need to pay attention to`
`08:15.50`	`Deviad`	`but I like photek look`
`08:16.11`	`Deviad`	`Like?`
`08:17.24`	`Deviad`	`Well, the menus in the bar are useful to have the raid frames and staff under control`
`08:17.32`	`Deviad`	`I had to put them there to make things easy to the users`
`08:18.18`	`[Ammo]`	`argh`
`08:18.18`	`Moondrake`	`what shows up in the black frame on the top?`
`08:18.22`	`[Ammo]`	`always around this time!`
`08:18.53`	`Deviad`	`Moondrake, the party stuff`
`08:18.58`	`Deviad`	`party frames and party pets`
`08:19.21`	`Deviad`	`outside the black part you get the raid frames`
`08:20.01`	`Moondrake`	`and bottom middle is another chatwindow?`
`08:20.09`	`Deviad`	`yes`
`08:20.22`	`Deviad`	`1 for the say and 1 for the guild and whispering`
`08:20.33`	`Deviad`	`to keep them separated and the third is a combat log`
`08:21.01`	`Moondrake`	`yeah, i have General and Guild/Raid/Party/whisper`
`08:21.45`	`Deviad`	`btw`
`08:21.48`	`Deviad`	`visor is buggy`
`08:21.53`	`Moondrake`	`combat log is a tab, since i use scrolling text`
`08:21.55`	`Deviad`	`I had to replace that with dFM`
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`08:22.14`	`Kebinusan`	`here let me post mine, its similar but the use of space fits me a bit better`
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`08:23.09`	`Kebinusan`	`http://img183.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wowscrnshot081506004919fb9.jpg`
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`08:23.53`	`Iceroth`	`anyone using omnicc and the latest version of clearfont?`
`08:24.38`	`Moondrake`	`nice placing keb, but those bufftimers are big, wouldn't want to use those^^`
`08:25.26`	`Deviad`	`Kebinusan, are the raid frame sRaidFrames?`
`08:25.32`	`Deviad`	`raid frames*`
`08:25.35`	`Deviad`	`or what?`
`08:25.41`	`Moondrake`	`is there a mod which lists buffs on below the other only with icon and time, without the name and the bar?^^`
`08:25.50`	`Moondrake`	`perfectraid`
`08:26.40`	`Zicon`	`kebinusan: That's a darn nice layout.`
`08:27.07`	`Kebinusan`	`its elkbuffbar I just dont have it scaled down much in that shot`
`08:27.42`	`Kebinusan`	`yeah the raid frame is perfectraid`
`08:27.49`	`Moondrake`	`keb: yeah but the one blizz provides is sufficient, i don't see the need for names and the gib bars for buffs^^`
`08:28.11`	`Moondrake`	`i would only need a mod that places them like elk only icon+timer`
`08:28.44`	`Moondrake`	`gratz on the patchwerk kill btw`
`08:29.01`	`Kebinusan`	`yeah that was a couple weeks ago was a fun fight`
`08:29.46`	`Elkano`	`Moondrake, if I ever finish EBB2 you'll get that ;)`
`08:30.00`	`Elkano`	`(though it wont be as light as it could be)`
`08:30.37`	`Moondrake`	`yay elk`
`08:31.01`	`Kebinusan`	`the buff bar is a personal preference though, I used to use gypsybuff bar for the longest time`
`08:31.02`	`Elkano`	`most likely you'll be able to simply hide the bars and names ^^`
`08:31.07`	`Moondrake`	`go on then chop chop`
`08:31.50`	`[Ammo]`	`wow 1 simple commit took 18 mins :)`
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`08:32.32`	`[Ammo]`	`I might have just broken BigWigs, converted all L"blah" to L["blah"] in the core and core modules`
`08:32.42`	`Kebinusan`	`ammo, whats the difference`
`08:32.57`	`Laric`	`wich raid frames have the least system impact atm?`
`08:33.04`	`[Ammo]`	`kebinusan: it should be a bit faster`
`08:33.14`	`[Ammo]`	`need to convert all boss modules too`
`08:33.25`	`Kebinusan`	`go go regular expressions`
`08:33.44`	`[Ammo]`	`hehe`
`08:33.44`	`ckknight`	`2.5x faster`
`08:33.51`	`Kebinusan`	`wow`
`08:34.17`	`Laric`	`to use L["blah"] instead of L"blah".. what else do I have to change?`
`08:34.24`	`Laric`	`is it updated on the wiki?`
`08:34.47`	`Kirov`	`I was wondering about the L"blah" vs. L["blah"]`
`08:35.10`	`Deviad`	`I'm using something called ekb`
`08:35.13`	`Moondrake`	`so long as there's a blah in it^^`
`08:35.27`	`tumetom`	`hm where is the diference between L["bla"] and L"bla" ?`
`08:35.38`	`Kirov`	`can you still define ["blah"] = true?`
`08:35.39`	`tumetom`	`lol Kirov ...`
`08:35.59`	`tumetom`	`I was just wondering about the same`
`08:36.07`	`tumetom`	`just without the "h"`
`08:36.35`	`Moondrake`	`but it looks nicer with the h`
`08:37.01`	`Moondrake`	`more balanced`
`08:37.18`	`tumetom`	`ok then... why dows L"blah" work und L["blah"] doesn't ...`
`08:37.29`	`Kirov`	`I seem to remember some discussion about L"blah" to L["blah"] using meta tables to retain L"blah" functionality`
`08:38.10`	`Laric`	`tumetom just read the wiki.. when you register the translation you need ot change the table to ["blah"] = "bluergh" aswell`
`08:38.56`	`tumetom`	`-.-`
`08:40.29`	`tumetom`	`i read http://wiki.wowace.com/index.php/AceLocale-2.0`
`08:40.46`	`tumetom`	`and this example dows not work...`
`08:41.07`	`Kirov`	`http://wiki.wowace.com/index.php/AceLocale-2.1_API_Documentation`
`08:42.47`	`ckknight`	`Kirov, I recommend not using AceLocale-2.1`
`08:43.07`	`ckknight`	`as the only thing it really offers over AceLocale-2.0 is needless API breakage`
`08:43.32`	`ckknight`	`it isn't any faster`
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`08:44.28`	`Kirov`	`Wasn't actually planning on using AceLocale at all. ;)`
`08:45.13`	`ckknight`	`alright`
`08:45.28`	`Kirov`	`I've got a while before I start aceing my addons`
`08:45.32`	`Mikma`	`RAWR`
`08:45.38`	`Mikma`	`i need something to do :P`
`08:45.52`	`Kirov`	`baby steps first ... like making a fubar plugin for my non ace addon`
`08:47.02`	`Kirov`	`I think my #1 reason for wanting to move to Ace though would be Dewdrop`
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`08:47.33`	`ckknight`	`hehe`
`08:47.39`	`ckknight`	`it is nice, eh?`
`08:48.09`	`Kirov`	`I can see why Ace addons don't have a freakin`
`08:48.14`	`Kirov`	`options menu ever`
`08:48.29`	`Worf`	`heh, yeah`
`08:48.30`	`Iceroth`	`nnnghhh... can anyone confirm if RAID_TARGET_UPDATE gives the unit as arg1 or not?`
`08:48.38`	`Iceroth`	`seems to be pretty much null for me`
`08:48.40`	`FryGuy`	`only thing that's awkward with dewdrop is string entering`
`08:48.44`	`ckknight`	`Kirov, hrm?`
`08:48.50`	`FryGuy`	`imo at least`
`08:49.01`	`ckknight`	`FryGuy, yea, but do you have a better solution?`
`08:49.09`	`FryGuy`	`no`
`08:49.11`	`FryGuy`	`was just saying :p`
`08:49.19`	`FryGuy`	`maybe click on it and bring up a thing`
`08:49.26`	`Worf`	`Iceroth: i don't think that RAID_TARGET_UPDATE can give you any unitid, since it is triggered eaven if nobody is targetting the updated unit`
`08:49.29`	`FryGuy`	`like when you click on it it will stay open`
`08:49.37`	`FryGuy`	`with an ok/cancel button below it`
`08:49.53`	`FryGuy`	`or hit enter/esc to achieve the same result`
`08:50.15`	`Iceroth`	`"New in 1.11. Fired when a raid target icon is changed or removed. Also fired when player join or leave a party or raid. arg1 is who gets updated." is what wowwiki says but arg1 appears to be pretty much null for me`
`08:50.17`	`Kirov`	`ckknight - ace addons have a tendancy to not have an options menu beyond command line or fubar`
`08:50.19`	`FryGuy`	`no need to get defensive :p`
`08:50.28`	`ckknight`	`Kirov, ah, true`
`08:50.48`	`ckknight`	`wasn't defensive, I just don't have a better solution :-P`
`08:51.11`	`Worf`	`Iceroth: interesting. but i think you have to update every unitframe when that event is triggered`
`08:51.47`	`FryGuy`	`it might just be "target"`
`08:52.10`	`_icetrain`	`afaik it only gives arg1 if it's a known unit who gets the icon, ie not a mob`
`08:52.12`	`FryGuy`	`although i guess the marks show up on the party windows`
`08:52.35`	`Kirov`	`Is AceGui used by anyone but Kaelten?`
`08:52.44`	`Tem`	`yes`
`08:53.07`	`Tem`	`the old one is very unused since it had no documentation`
`08:53.18`	`Iceroth`	`_icetrain, it's nil every time as far as i can tell, i assigned some icon for myself and still nil`
`08:53.18`	`Tem`	`the new version should be ready for use soon I hope`
`08:53.39`	`Tem`	`Kirov, hC used it for BulkMail`
`08:53.54`	`Fritti`	`AceLocale-2.1 isn't faster than 2.0?`
`08:54.10`	`_icetrain`	`Iceroth: ok, I just update all frames in the code where I use it, maybe the only way then :)`
`08:54.12`	`tumetom`	`where should I upload a new addon ?? trunk?`
`08:54.36`	`Iceroth`	`that's what i'm afraid of...`
`08:55.31`	`ckknight`	`Fritti, nope.`
`08:55.48`	`ckknight`	`also, AceLocale-2.1 doesn't work for non-enUS clients`
`08:55.58`	`ckknight`	`funnily enough.`
`08:56.03`	`_icetrain`	`lol :)`
`08:56.16`	`ckknight`	`just a bug, though`
`08:56.23`	`_icetrain`	`funny one though :)`
`08:56.46`	`Mikma`	`gah 3 more hours`
`08:56.48`	`Mikma`	`:P`
`08:57.17`	`Mikma`	`Iceroth: tell me where you live, i'll come and ring your doorbell after 3h ;)`
`08:57.30`	`Iceroth`	`..?`
`08:57.47`	`Mikma`	`Iceroth: i'm "studying" computers in Lemp��l� atm hehe`
`08:57.57`	`Mikma`	`Computer Users A-licence`
`08:58.09`	`Laric`	`yikes`
`09:00.12`	`tumetom`	`wondering which functions are called when equiping an item by clicking on an action slot`
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`09:01.42`	`tumetom`	`or rightclicking in the inventory..`
`09:02.15`	`Kirov`	`UseAction and UseContainerItem`
`09:02.38`	`ckknight`	`http://www.pbfcomics.com/?cid=PBF191-Boy_Scouts.gif`
`09:05.19`	`Mikma`	`http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/comics/20060825.jpg`
`09:05.22`	`Mikma`	`there ya go :D`
`09:06.13`	`ckknight`	`yea, that's a good one, too`
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`09:09.42`	`Iceroth`	`my personal favourite is http://matin.maapallo.org/kuvatuuppari/ctrlaltdel/770/20060821.jpg though... we have squeaker in our TS :)`
`09:13.22`	`tumetom`	`thx Kirov ...`
`09:13.37`	`evl`	`Iceroth: hahaha :D`
`09:13.37`	`Mikma`	`http://www.pbfcomics.com/?cid=PBF081AD-The_Dreamcatcher_3000.jpg#150`
`09:13.38`	`Mikma`	`rofl`
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`09:14.07`	`Mikma`	`Iceroth: yeah same goes with our guild`
`09:14.15`	`Mikma`	`whine whine whine fuckers`
`09:14.52`	`Soltanis`	`hmm im person with the high voice for my guild, but I don't whine much about anything other than warlock class`
`09:14.59`	`evl`	`Hmms, I have had some complaints`
`09:15.18`	`Kirov`	`Our youngest member in our guild is actually one of the most mature`
`09:15.19`	`Kirov`	`heh`
`09:15.40`	`evl`	`On vent, when I come home from an afterparty and start raiding at 11am drunk as a fiddle, ranting along in a slurry voice for 3-4 hours`
`09:15.49`	`evl`	`I think it's perfectly accetable and really spices up a raid setting.`
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`09:16.27`	`Mikma`	`Soltanis: makol!?!?`
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`09:25.53`	`tumetom`	`I'd like to import my addon to the svn no... How do I ahve to handle the ace2 libs (externals) ?`
`09:26.05`	`Kebinusan`	`read the wiki`
`09:26.12`	`Kebinusan`	`wiki.wowace.com`
`09:26.37`	`Kebinusan`	`you can play around with svn.wowace.com/sandbox too before you actually import to the real thing if that helps`
`09:27.17`	`tumetom`	`SVN For Idiots ... ah think I found the right side no :-P`
`09:36.50`	`ckknight_`	`I hate raiding with squeakers`
`09:38.03`	`ckknight_`	`one issue I find is that they always seem to just keep talking.`
`09:38.10`	`ckknight_`	`hyperactive style`
`09:38.37`	`Soltanis`	`:-), guess i couldn/'t be classed as a squeaker then`
`09:39.04`	`ckknight_`	`ah, just my experiences`
`09:39.17`	`ckknight_`	`squeakers deal with a lack of puberty and/or maturity`
`09:39.26`	`Mikma`	`http://www.pbfcomics.com/archive/0PBF42028BC-Kitty_Heaven.jpg`
`09:39.51`	`ckknight_`	`perry bible fellowship is awesome`
`09:40.28`	`evl`	`Does anyone know if there is/will be an offensive cleaning option for detox?`
`09:40.34`	`evl`	`would be nice with only one mod to take care of everything :P`
`09:41.56`	`tumetom`	`boah... whats up with the svn server?`
`09:42.13`	`ckknight_`	`offensive cleaning?`
`09:42.28`	`evl`	`ckknight_: target mage -> dispel icebarrier -> dispel nova on self`
`09:42.37`	`tumetom`	`extremly slow`
`09:42.52`	`evl`	`so that it works on offensive dispeling aswell`
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`09:59.40`	`CIA-11`	`03laric * r9375 10AoFHeal/ (AoFHeal.lua AoFHeal_locale.lua):`
`09:59.40`	`CIA-11`	`AoFHeal:`
`09:59.40`	`CIA-11`	`- Switched to new syntax for locale`
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`10:05.15`	`Soltanis`	`evl : you want a mod to check an enitre battleground?`
`10:06.59`	`evl`	`Soltanis: no, just that if I have a target it should try to dispel that too :)`
`10:07.18`	`Mikma`	`haste: is there some problems with Bartender2 and oCD?`
`10:08.57`	`Soltanis`	`is oRA 1.12 compatible or do we need ora2?`
`10:11.04`	`Mikma`	`yes :D`
`10:12.50`	`Fritti`	`ckknight__: meh, sorry, work interfered. so Locale-2.0 is as fast as 2.1, provided one uses L["foo"] vs L"foo"`
`10:12.54`	`Fritti`	`?`
`10:24.21`	`CIA-11`	`03ammo * r9376 10BigWigs/Other/ (Azuregos.lua Emeriss.lua Kazzak.lua Onyxia.lua Test.lua): BigWigs: Modules in the Other/ folder updated for L["blah"]`
`10:26.03`	`CIA-11`	`03coalado * r9377 10IIK_FeignTrap/ (. IIK_FeignTrap.toc Libs/ core.lua):`
`10:26.03`	`CIA-11`	`IIK_FeignTrap - A Mod to make Hunters life easier. Double/Multiclick on your "OutOfCombat" Actions will`
`10:26.03`	`CIA-11`	`1. Call your Pet (passive)`
`10:26.03`	`CIA-11`	`2. Feign death`
`10:26.03`	`CIA-11`	`3. call your desired action (Traps, drinking, etc. )`
`10:29.35`	`CIA-11`	`03coalado * r9378 10IIK_FeignTrap/: set externals`
`10:32.10`	`CIA-11`	`03ammo * r9380 10BigWigs/MC/ (7 files): BigWigs: MC modules now use L["zomg"]`
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`10:36.21`	`CIA-11`	`03ammo * r9381 10BigWigs/ZG/ (8 files): BigWigs: ZG modules now use L["snakesonaplane"]`
`10:38.55`	`CIA-11`	`03coalado * r9382 10IIK_FeignTrap/core.lua: Removed debugging`
`10:41.35`	`CIA-11`	`03ammo * r9383 10BigWigs/AQ20/ (6 files): BigWigs: AQ20 now uses L["blah"]`
`10:43.07`	`Mikma`	`ammo's doing a big job`
`10:44.04`	`Moondrake`	`nope, he's doing a big wigs`
`10:44.13`	`Moondrake`	`sorry, a monday joke^^`
`10:44.18`	`Mikma`	`good one actually`
`10:44.42`	`Mikma`	`the one's that make you smile irl are best there is`
`10:44.50`	`Moondrake`	`:D`
`10:46.12`	`Moondrake`	`hehe, i imagined updates coming so quickly when ammo said this morning: "[Ammo]: I might have just broken BigWigs, converted all L"blah" to L["blah"] in the core and core modules`
`10:46.12`	`Moondrake`	`Kebinusan: ammo, whats the difference`
`10:46.12`	`Moondrake`	`Laric: wich raid frames have the least system impact atm?`
`10:46.12`	`Moondrake`	`[Ammo]: kebinusan: it should be a bit faster`
`10:46.12`	`Moondrake`	`[Ammo]: need to convert all boss modules too"`
`10:55.45`	`FtH\|eagle`	`anyone else got problems with onebag etc. and acelocale 2.1?`
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`10:56.22`	`Moondrake`	`onebag works fine, but my version is r9246`
`10:57.19`	`Nickenyfiken`	`FtH\|eagle: sure its updated? it was bugged in one revision but fixed now`
`10:57.51`	`Gngsk`	`I recall an AceLocale 2.1.1 commit by Kaelten yesterday`
`10:58.14`	`FtH\|eagle`	`yeah it is`
`10:58.46`	`Nickenyfiken`	`r9246 \| kaelten \| 2006-08-26 18:03:36 -0700 (Sat, 26 Aug 2006) \| 3 lines`
`10:58.46`	`Nickenyfiken`	`OneBag -`
`10:58.46`	`Nickenyfiken`	`- Changed .toc file to reference the AceLocale-2.1 lib`
`10:58.55`	`Nickenyfiken`	`working fine for me since that update`
`10:59.26`	`Moondrake`	`knight wrote earlier: ckknight: also, AceLocale-2.1 doesn't work for non-enUS clients`
`11:00.30`	`FtH\|eagle`	`:/`
`11:00.39`	`FtH\|eagle`	`any fix for that?`
`11:00.57`	`Fritti`	`I don't see why -2.1 is necessary if it's as fast as 2.0`
`11:01.06`	`Fritti`	`or is this some ckknight vs Kaelten blowout?`
`11:01.35`	`kergoth`	`2.1 was released with improvements, then ck pulled in the performance improvements into 2.0`
`11:01.38`	`kergoth`	`not a big deal`
`11:01.49`	`Fritti`	`ah`
`11:01.57`	`FtH\|eagle`	`now glory 2.0 is throwing some errors :(`
`11:02.00`	`Fritti`	`so why doesn't Kael back out to 2.09 ?`
`11:02.04`	`Fritti`	`s/9//`
`11:03.07`	`CIA-11`	`03ammo * r9384 10BigWigs/Naxxramas/ (13 files): BigWigs: Naxxramas now uses L["corpseseverywher"]`
`11:04.27`	`CIA-11`	`03ammo * r9385 10BigWigs/ (MC/BaronGeddon.lua Range.lua): BigWigs: 2 typos fixed`
`11:05.04`	`Mikma`	`http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=2001.msg38472#msg38472`
`11:05.15`	`Mikma`	`anyone agree with my latest edition in my post? :)`
`11:05.50`	`Moondrake`	`rofl`
`11:06.25`	`Mikma`	`i'll take that as yes ;)`
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`11:09.03`	`Kebinusan`	`thats alot of _____________`
`11:09.08`	`Mikma`	`yeah`
`11:09.15`	`tumetom`	`g`
`11:09.48`	`Moondrake`	`^^`
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`11:10.48`	`Moondrake[G5]___`	`damn my name is too long`
`11:12.25`	`Gngsk_^5`	`\o/`
`11:12.39`	`Moondrake[G5]`	`^^`
`11:12.56`	`CIA-11`	`03cladhaire * r9386 10Clique/Clique.lua: Clique: Quick test`
`11:15.01`	`CIA-11`	`03cladhaire * r9387 10Clique/Clique.lua: Clique: Checking in a minor change`
`11:15.31`	`haste`	`Mikma: except that I removed Bartender2 support, no`
`11:18.13`	`Mikma`	`haste: so is there anything i can do to help you with the support?`
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`11:19.03`	`haste`	`Mikma: nah, I was just tired of writing the blizzard and bongos code from scratch :p`
`11:19.31`	`haste`	`I changed it from allowing every frame to spawn a cooldown, to only let the frames in the whitelist spawn cooldowns`
`11:19.35`	`Mikma`	`haste: but you said blizzards buttons work without extracode, how can i make BT2 to be the same`
`11:20.15`	`haste`	`Mikma: http://svn.wowace.com/root/trunk/oCD/hooks.lua << that's how I do it now`
`11:21.10`	`Mikma`	`haste: so the same kind of code won't work what's in Bongos?`
`11:21.26`	`haste`	`Mikma: I don't know`
`11:21.36`	`haste`	`Mikma: I didn't look into Bartender at that time`
`11:21.53`	`haste`	`I was pretty much tired of popping cooldowns with bongos and the blizzard actionbars :p`
`11:22.05`	`Mikma`	`heh`
`11:22.19`	`haste`	`I removed all of the bartender code as it had to be replaced anyway`
`11:22.20`	`Mikma`	`well as far as i can see atm, it propably should work the way bongos code does`
`11:22.29`	`Mikma`	`but i think i have to rewrite some part of BT2 soon`
`11:22.38`	`Mikma`	`since the shapeshift barswap is extremely fucked up`
`11:22.43`	`haste`	`hehe`
`11:22.47`	`Moondrake[G5]`	`haste, is it possible to turn off alle coldwons showing up when shooting a wand?^^`
`11:22.53`	`Mikma`	`i have no idea how to fix it :P`
`11:22.58`	`Moondrake[G5]`	`damn typos`
`11:23.05`	`haste`	`if you do rewrite it, please name the frames better`
`11:23.13`	`Mikma`	`so that means i think i have to write my own BarSwap to replace the code`
`11:23.19`	`Mikma`	`haste: better? :)`
`11:23.20`	`haste`	`Moondrake[G5]: untill I add the blacklist, change the minimum cooldown to display`
`11:23.31`	`Mikma`	`haste: Bar6 = PetBar ?`
`11:23.33`	`haste`	`Mikma: Your shapeshiftbar (I think) is Bar6`
`11:23.40`	`Mikma`	`yeah`
`11:23.47`	`haste`	`Mikma: Yes, name it like BTPet or something :p`
`11:23.55`	`CIA-11`	`03kebinusan * r9388 10BigWigs_ThaddiusArrows/ (BigWigs_ThaddiusArrows.Lua textures/straightArrow.tga): BigWigs_ThaddiusArrows: Added straight arrow and a couple minor tweaks`
`11:23.58`	`Mikma`	`they used to be like "PetBar", "ShapeBar" etc`
`11:24.14`	`Mikma`	`but they were pretty freaking annoying to handle within the code so i made them like that :P`
`11:24.26`	`Mikma`	`i CAN make you locals for them if you wan't`
`11:24.37`	`Mikma`	`BTPet = Bar6`
`11:24.37`	`Mikma`	`etc`
`11:24.48`	`Mikma`	`well, globals`
`11:24.59`	`haste`	`nah, just tell me what bars are special :p`
`11:25.13`	`Mikma`	`6-9`
`11:25.20`	`Mikma`	`1-5 + 10 are actionbars`
`11:25.23`	`haste`	`6 to 9?`
`11:25.26`	`haste`	`what's 7 and 8?`
`11:25.26`	`Mikma`	`10 = bonus`
`11:25.31`	`Kebinusan`	`realm restarts to fix some latency issues eh`
`11:25.37`	`Mikma`	`oh wait`
`11:25.51`	`Mikma`	`8 + 9 are special`
`11:25.59`	`Mikma`	`they are micros and bags`
`11:26.06`	`Mikma`	`you will propably need the rest of them`
`11:26.20`	`Mikma`	`i'll make you a list after i get home`
`11:26.23`	`Mikma`	`that's about an 1h`
`11:26.38`	`Mikma`	`and i'll commit the code so you can look it from svn`
`11:26.41`	`haste`	`ah`
`11:27.09`	`Moondrake[G5]`	`hatse: what's the font you're using? forgot the link^^`
`11:27.16`	`Mikma`	`hatse xD`
`11:27.20`	`Mikma`	`reminds me of goatse`
`11:27.38`	`Moondrake[G5]`	`darn, some typo-demons must have gotten into my keyboard`
`11:27.56`	`[Ammo]`	`tralala`
`11:28.05`	`Moondrake[G5]`	`<PROTECTED>`
`11:28.07`	`haste`	`Moondrake[G5]: look at the otravi_UnitFrames topic`
`11:28.22`	`haste`	`there is a FAQ at the start of it ;)`
`11:28.28`	`Moondrake[G5]`	`oh ok, i was searching on haste3k`
`11:28.44`	`haste`	`I'm actually redoing haste3k :p`
`11:28.50`	`haste`	`as we speak`
`11:28.58`	`Mikma`	`you should be doing oRA2 with [Ammo]!`
`11:29.06`	`Mikma`	`stop coding your www-pages damnit!`
`11:29.17`	`Moondrake[G5]`	`nice, as you are already in the flow, want to redo mine too? :P`
`11:29.26`	`haste`	`I'm tired of hacking Textpattern, so I'm going to try out WordPress`
`11:29.29`	`haste`	`Moondrake[G5]: not really :p`
`11:29.32`	`Gngsk_^5`	`you should be realeasing your staticpopup pr0n and grouplootframes too!`
`11:29.38`	`haste`	`neither do I have the tools to do anything`
`11:29.46`	`Moondrake[G5]`	`i'm fiddling around with e107 atm, checking it out`
`11:29.52`	`haste`	`Gngsk_^5: grouploot is currently VERY bugged, due to zero hooks :p`
`11:30.10`	`Gngsk_^5`	`bah!`
`11:30.15`	`haste`	`Moondrake[G5]: I don't like e107 :p`
`11:30.15`	`Gngsk_^5`	`so hawt.`
`11:30.20`	`Mikma`	`haste: the :Show() is nice for the frames ;D`
`11:30.27`	`Mikma`	`will result error every 0.1 second`
`11:30.47`	`haste`	`Mikma: Yeah, I hooked the OnUpdate quite quickly :p`
`11:30.56`	`Mikma`	`no wonder`
`11:30.59`	`Moondrake[G5]`	`haste: don't know, just dled it yesterday and fiddling around, i had a 50page x 4 languages in static html before that, it's hell to update^^`
`11:31.11`	`haste`	`GroupLootFrame_OnUpdate = function () end`
`11:31.13`	`Mikma`	`i had ErrorRedirect which forwarded the UIErrors to Combatlog... ohmygawd`
`11:31.22`	`haste`	`Mikma: BugSack + sound...`
`11:31.37`	`Kebinusan`	`SCL needs an option to replace things like "Greater Blessing of Wisdom" with "GBoW" or something a bit shorter`
`11:31.38`	`Mikma`	`haha`
`11:31.48`	`haste`	`Moondrake[G5]: I use a VERY hacked up version of Textpattern on haste3k`
`11:31.49`	`Mikma`	`fatfatfatfatfatfatfatfatfatfatfatality`
`11:32.20`	`haste`	`Moondrake[G5]: http://www.textism.com/tools/textile/ << the thing with Textpattern is the Textile system ;)`
`11:33.39`	`CIA-11`	`03fryguy * r9389 10BigWigs/Naxxramas/Thaddius.lua: BigWigsBigWigs: Mark thaddius polarity change on yourself ("switch sides") as an alarm to play the more menacing sound.`
`11:33.56`	`Moondrake[G5]`	`problem is i need so many feature which are plugins or integrated into e107, that's why i wanted to chaeck that out`
`11:38.02`	`CIA-11`	`03ammo * r9390 10BigWigs/BWL/ (8 files): BigWigs: BWL now uses L["herebedragons"]`
`11:38.25`	`Mikma`	`lol`
`11:40.00`	`CIA-11`	`03moonsorrow * r9391 10XRS/ (6 files):`
`11:40.00`	`CIA-11`	`XRS:`
`11:40.00`	`CIA-11`	`- tooltip hints can now be deactivated`
`11:40.00`	`CIA-11`	`- fixed pre-defined group buffs for paladins`
`11:40.00`	`CIA-11`	`- anyone like L[".."] more?`
`11:40.02`	`haste`	`Moondrake[G5]: well, I haven't tried e107 in quiet some time, but it was filled with exploits before`
`11:40.47`	`Moondrake[G5]`	`haste: uh^^ i'll have to investigate that`
`11:41.07`	`Moondrake[G5]`	`gtg, laterz`
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`11:43.32`	`FtH\|eagle`	`argh I need onebag to work :(`
`11:44.31`	`FryGuy`	`it doesn't?`
`11:44.40`	`yacoob`	`it does for me... 8)`
`11:44.57`	`Kebinusan`	`ck said something about a bug with acelocale2.1 where it didnt work with non-english clients or something`
`11:46.55`	`FtH\|eagle`	`yeah`
`11:46.58`	`Thrae`	`That's a pretty big bug there >.<`
`11:47.01`	`Thrae`	`G'morning`
`11:47.51`	`yacoob`	`anything better than warmup for mem usage profiling?`
`11:48.13`	`yacoob`	`(besides, numbers don't add up, warmup says total = 39MB, performancefu tooltip says 55MB)`
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`11:49.13`	`JoshBorke`	`morning`
`11:49.36`	`Thrae`	`Warmup only shows INITIAL memory usage after the addon is loaded. It gives you a rough estimate of an addon's "static memory usage", IE how many tables it has, etc. This can be smeared a bit by Ace2 and otehr embedded libraries.`
`11:50.02`	`yacoob`	`yeah, I read the warning.`
`11:50.09`	`Thrae`	`Make your own !!!Libraries external folder to avoid that problem.`
`11:50.21`	`yacoob`	`So should I assume that addons instantly produce 16MB of temp data?`
`11:50.46`	`Thrae`	`It could be temporary, it could be static, never destroyed.`
`11:50.56`	`yacoob`	`but 16MB?`
`11:51.18`	`Thrae`	`How many addons do you have?`
`11:51.39`	`yacoob`	`http://hell.pl/yacoob/map.txt that's an old list`
`11:51.54`	`yacoob`	`replaced titan with fubar, and engbags with onebag`
`11:52.23`	`Thrae`	`Still using Discord mods?`
`11:53.16`	`yacoob`	`Thrae: nothing to replace DAB, with DUF, well, still checking out various frame replacements, DART+DFM is something to be ridden of very soon`
`11:53.24`	`Thrae`	`Discord mods alone can take up to 10MB or more.`
`11:53.59`	`Thrae`	`And that's -just- static memory usage.`
`11:54.22`	`yacoob`	`code, you mean?`
`11:54.34`	`CIA-11`	`03ammo * r9392 10BigWigs/AQ40/ (10 files): BigWigs: AQ40 now uses L["did you bring your flyswatter?"]`
`11:54.46`	`Kebinusan`	`heh`
`11:54.52`	`Thrae`	`No, regarding all the tables and frames it uses.`
`11:54.58`	`[Ammo]`	`yay done :)`
`11:55.10`	`[Ammo]`	`tooo many files in BigWigs`
`11:55.28`	`[Ammo]`	`still need to go over all modules and change the messages from color to messagetype`
`11:55.42`	`[Ammo]`	`but not todya`
`11:55.48`	`Kebinusan`	`Any change in the C'thun mod`
`11:55.53`	`Kebinusan`	`for this silly fix`
`11:56.46`	`FtH\|eagle`	`anyone able to fix that bug in glory 2.0? it spams all the tiem`
`11:56.47`	`FtH\|eagle`	`time`
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`11:56.52`	`yacoob`	`Thrae: then still I do not see how on earth it could produce 16MB of... well, something.`
`11:57.02`	`Thrae`	`08:06 < Corwinoid> I was driving along today, and I got behind a bug with a custom license plate that said "FEATURE"`
`11:57.14`	`GNgsk`	`heh`
`11:58.01`	`tumetom`	`yacoob wow..55 mb..`
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`11:58.25`	`tumetom`	`http://gallery.lagcity.de/coalado/ui28_8_06.jpg ... and I realy use enough mods..`
`11:58.34`	`[Ammo]`	`Kebinusan: not yet`
`11:58.38`	`yacoob`	`Thrae: or rather: how can I hunt the memory usage leaders, and swat them down`
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`11:58.40`	`[Ammo]`	`getting weird reports`
`11:58.42`	`Thrae`	`yacoob: It adds up. Discord mods have a LOT of frames to deal with, and a LOT of tables to deal with. While Lozareth tries to optimize them, he's left with a lot of old code. When I was using just DiscordUnitFrames and DiscordActionBars, both of them together took up around 8-10MB.`
`11:58.45`	`[Ammo]`	`10 seconds slow, 13 seconds slow`
`11:58.46`	`yacoob`	`tumetom: well, before I started using ace, it was 45 :P`
`11:58.48`	`[Ammo]`	`I need to know the exact number`
`11:58.58`	`[Ammo]`	`so it would help to get a transcript`
`11:59.16`	`Thrae`	`yacoob: Best way is using PerformanceFu + MCP and disable the big boys. You can tell the big boys as they have large Warmup numbers.`
`11:59.18`	`Fritti`	`[Ammo]: wrt to the locale stuff, for using 2.0 with decent speed it's enough to go to L["foo"] to get the speedup?`
`12:00.17`	`yacoob`	`Thrae: then it looks like I'll have to stick by that.`
`12:00.31`	`yacoob`	`nothing to replace DAB :)`
`12:00.44`	`tumetom`	`DAB ??? bongos?`
`12:00.53`	`yacoob`	`nope.`
`12:00.55`	`Kebinusan`	`depends on what features of DAB you actually use`
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`12:01.08`	`XLVII`	`yes, i need a replacement for dab`
`12:01.11`	`XLVII`	`too.`
`12:01.40`	`tumetom`	`what's so special with dab?`
`12:01.48`	`XLVII`	`i don't know`
`12:01.48`	`Kebinusan`	`<-- uses pubcrawl atm`
`12:01.49`	`yacoob`	`Kebinusan: switching on various things (inventory update, shapeshifts, avilability of actions)`
`12:01.50`	`XLVII`	`i just need to change.`
`12:01.52`	`XLVII`	`;o`
`12:01.52`	`Laric`	`it can do anything :P`
`12:02.01`	`yacoob`	`it works, just like that.`
`12:02.10`	`yacoob`	`(while giving a lot of flexibility)`
`12:02.12`	`tumetom`	`bongos works, too`
`12:02.31`	`Laric`	`tumetom it cant show separate button based on conditions etc`
`12:02.31`	`yacoob`	`I can remade my bars using flexbar, but, hehe, it uses MORE memory than DAB :D`
`12:02.32`	`GNgsk`	`I still use flexbar`
`12:02.34`	`Kebinusan`	`bongos doesnt let you resize bars though does it? or was that bartender`
`12:02.48`	`GNgsk`	`you can resize bars with BT2`
`12:02.50`	`XLVII`	`i like the look of pubcrawl`
`12:02.55`	`XLVII`	`but how many bars can you have with it?`
`12:03.00`	`GNgsk`	`wasn't possible with BT afaik`
`12:03.05`	`tumetom`	`bongos can resize bars... if you like each button`
`12:03.13`	`yacoob`	`plus, for example, I want my poisonbar. Leftclick applies to mainhand, rightclick to offhand`
`12:03.14`	`Kebinusan`	`hmm, I might try bt2 then`
`12:03.44`	`tumetom`	`yacoob bongos even can switch on special events..`
`12:03.48`	`Laric`	`i think dab is the addon for wow that can do the most things of em all :P`
`12:03.53`	`XLVII`	`yacoob, your cat is huge!`
`12:04.06`	`yacoob`	`which one? :)`
`12:04.11`	`XLVII`	`lamb`
`12:04.24`	`yacoob`	`not mine, friend's`
`12:04.28`	`XLVII`	`ok.`
`12:04.37`	`yacoob`	`I wouldn't do that to my cats, never.`
`12:04.45`	`yacoob`	`that's "love" gone wrong`
`12:04.45`	`Thrae`	`DAB is almost as flexible as Visor in what it can do, it just provides a much easier to understand interface, sacrificing speed and memory usage.`
`12:05.12`	`yacoob`	`Thrae: yes. What's funny - when we're at it - look at discord page, on custom uis`
`12:05.25`	`XLVII`	`lol.. dab are so damn bloated.`
`12:05.26`	`tumetom`	`I do not need an addon that provides 500% of the features I need`
`12:05.48`	`yacoob`	`Due to that, due to easy access to all "knobs and dials" people are creative.`
`12:05.54`	`yacoob`	`Easier to use -> bigger user base.`
`12:06.14`	`tumetom`	`I tried visor... but It's not Newbie-friendly :-P.. so I looked at bongos`
`12:06.15`	`yacoob`	`(of course, 70% of those custom uis is crap, but you get the idea)`
`12:06.35`	`Laric`	`what is visor really?`
`12:07.13`	`yacoob`	`addon that allows you to modify frames`
`12:07.15`	`Laric`	`never tried it`
`12:07.23`	`tumetom`	`it's more a library..`
`12:07.26`	`Laric`	`oh.. so it is a dfm replacement?`
`12:07.39`	`Mikma`	`yahoo!`
`12:07.49`	`Mikma`	`anyone can help me to fix the shapeshift bug in BT2?`
`12:08.24`	`Thrae`	`Visor+VisorButtons can do anything Discord Action Bars, Discord Frame Modifier, or Discord Art can do, it's just a lot less intuitive. 50% of the features are from slash commands.`
`12:08.47`	`yacoob`	`btw, are visor and flexbar still developed?`
`12:09.07`	`Laric`	`flexbar is more in a maintenance stage it seems like`
`12:09.13`	`XLVII`	`ok..`
`12:09.13`	`Thrae`	`Tain is (slowly) working on moving Visor to Ace2, Flexbar I dunno.`
`12:09.14`	`GNgsk`	`yah`
`12:09.23`	`XLVII`	`for me to replace dab, i need the following`
`12:09.26`	`Laric`	`they maintain the features but no real new features are being developed afaik`
`12:09.28`	`GNgsk`	`flex has been in limbo for about a year now`
`12:09.33`	`XLVII`	`bar to popup when i have no aspect`
`12:09.51`	`XLVII`	`bar to popup when i have no 'find <class / item>'`
`12:10.01`	`yacoob`	`tumetom: re: bongos switching: on what kind of events?`
`12:10.02`	`XLVII`	`then i'll change :)`
`12:10.14`	`XLVII`	`but i really need to change.`
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`12:10.35`	`Laric`	`bongos have gotten some scripting capabilities.. but I havent checked em yet`
`12:10.47`	`GNgsk`	`yea, I saw that thread`
`12:10.54`	`tumetom`	`I just have read about it...`
`12:11.04`	`tumetom`	`I do not use sch features`
`12:11.07`	`GNgsk`	`I think I might try bongos out, but ideally ace2'd visor sounds yummy`
`12:11.37`	`XLVII`	`is there anything that can do that?`
`12:11.38`	`tumetom`	`Contextual paging can be enabled on a per bar basis. Enabling conextual paging on a bar means that a bar will switch to the next page when targeting nothing, or targeting a friendly person. Its a great thing to have if you're a healer who happens to like to nuke on the side`
`12:11.40`	`Laric`	`imho things that messes with frames really need a good gui`
`12:12.26`	`tumetom`	`http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4744`
`12:12.40`	`tumetom`	`don't ask me how this paging works...`
`12:12.44`	`yacoob`	`tumetom: 'when targeting nothing or targeting a friendly person' - that's not enough. And I'm asking because I do not see any docs :D`
`12:13.11`	`Thrae`	`I wish I could convert Visor to Ace2 right now, it's on my to-do list, which is like a mile long`
`12:13.26`	`Thrae`	`Obviously my own mods are higher on the to-do list`
`12:15.02`	`tumetom`	`yacoob what exactly to you want to do?`
`12:15.13`	`yacoob`	`14:01 < yacoob> Kebinusan: switching on various things (inventory update, shapeshifts, avilability of actions)`
`12:15.38`	`yacoob`	`the first is not that important, I can get trinketmenu for that (mostly trinkets)`
`12:15.42`	`yacoob`	`also:`
`12:15.48`	`yacoob`	`14:03 < yacoob> plus, for example, I want my poisonbar. Leftclick applies to mainhand, rightclick to offhand`
`12:16.04`	`tumetom`	`did it ever come to your mind that exactly these features could slow down your wow?`
`12:16.19`	`yacoob`	`tumetom: but of course, it's always a tradeoff`
`12:16.32`	`Thrae`	`tumetom: Not really, if they're implemented well enough.`
`12:16.44`	`yacoob`	`it's just that there's More Than One Way To Do It [tm], so I want to pick up the efficient ones :)`
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`12:17.12`	`Thrae`	`yacoob: If you ever want to learn just a little Lua, I'd go with Visor.`
`12:17.24`	`Gngsk`	`yacoob, have you seen oApplication?`
`12:17.29`	`Thrae`	`One thing I like about Visor right -now- is that it forces people to learn a little bit of Lua.`
`12:19.01`	`XLVII`	`is there a 'bar' addon that will show a bar when i don't have an aspect and 'track <type>'/'find <type>'?`
`12:19.06`	`yacoob`	`Thrae: I intend to dump DART+DFM in favour of Visor`
`12:19.19`	`tumetom`	`XLVII discord bars :-P`
`12:19.27`	`yacoob`	`XLVII: there's aspectfu for fubar, and I think it has the warning...`
`12:19.29`	`Thrae`	`XLVII: If you want to learn a little Lua, then Visor can do it.`
`12:19.53`	`Laric`	`I have dumped all discords now... however on my hunter I hanvet found anything that can replace it really.. so I dont play my hunter anymore :(`
`12:20.21`	`tumetom`	`-.-`
`12:20.21`	`XLVII`	`thrae, is there a tutorial included?`
`12:20.23`	`XLVII`	`lawl.`
`12:20.29`	`Gngsk`	`yacoob, http://www.beverpung.net/images/addons/oApplication/oApplication.jpg`
`12:21.01`	`Thrae`	`XLVII: For using Visor, yes. For using Lua, no.`
`12:21.05`	`tumetom`	`just use smartbuff for all your buffs...`
`12:21.21`	`XLVII`	`thrae, it can't be that hard though can it?`
`12:21.24`	`XLVII`	`mm..`
`12:21.27`	`XLVII`	`i might have a go..`
`12:21.30`	`yacoob`	`Gngsk: hm, that's a step. Does it work only for bag, or anywhere you put a poison in?`
`12:21.59`	`yacoob`	`Thrae: how much 'lowlevel' is visorbuttons comparing to flexbar?`
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`12:22.28`	`Thrae`	`XLVII: https://opensvn.csie.org/traccgi/Ace/trac.cgi/ <-- Visor manual can be found here`
`12:22.43`	`Gngsk`	`yacoob, atm it only works in bag.`
`12:22.47`	`Thrae`	`yacoob: One step below Flexbar. More features, less GUI-iful.`
`12:22.47`	`evl`	`trac ftw :)`
`12:22.49`	`evl`	`love that app`
`12:23.16`	`CIA-11`	`03mikma * r9393 10Bartender2/Bartender2.lua: Bartender2: Here ya go haste`
`12:23.33`	`yacoob`	`Thrae: because I do not see anything like grouping for example.`
`12:23.44`	`Laric`	`Thrae nothing can be less gui'ish than flexbar.. as it have none :P`
`12:23.50`	`Thrae`	`XLVII: ThraeFuncs up on SVN has Thrae_FindItem(itenname) and Thrae_IsBuffActive(buffname,bufftype), which should help you with your scripts.`
`12:24.05`	`Thrae`	`yacoob: What do you mean, "grouping"?`
`12:24.41`	`Laric`	`grouping is how flexbar creates a bar.. it adds buttons together in a group`
`12:25.02`	`Mikma`	`haha`
`12:25.03`	`Mikma`	`Bar10 = BonusActionButt`
`12:25.07`	`Mikma`	`neat typo by me`
`12:25.10`	`Mikma`	`enjoy ;)`
`12:25.44`	`yacoob`	`yup, exactly`
`12:25.51`	`Thrae`	`for i=13,26 do Visor:Do("f=VisorActionButton" .. i .. " whatever") end <-- grouping!`
`12:26.17`	`yacoob`	`too low level.`
`12:26.21`	`CIA-11`	`03mikma * r9394 10Bartender2/Bartender2.lua: Bartender2: Egnlish is fnuny`
`12:26.30`	`Thrae`	`Then stick with your DAB.`
`12:26.33`	`Laric`	`is it fnuny?`
`12:26.36`	`yacoob`	`ok, I set up a attaching points, I think`
`12:26.48`	`Laric`	`:P`
`12:26.50`	`yacoob`	`but the "downtime" on each next character would be a turnoff then.`
`12:26.56`	`Mikma`	`Laric: yes, it's fnuny`
`12:27.05`	`Thrae`	`VzScript makes it easy to work on groups of buttons, though.`
`12:27.32`	`yacoob`	`Thrae: still: do you have any examples of such visor bar configs?`
`12:27.39`	`Thrae`	`VzScript:ActGroup(start,end,text) <-- does the above for loop from start to end with text`
`12:28.57`	`Thrae`	`yacoob: Look at VzScript, it provides ready-made scripts for Visor, and uses its own Ace2 event system.`
`12:29.57`	`yacoob`	`Thrae: where can I find it? it doesn't seem to be packaged from svn?`
`12:31.00`	`Gngsk`	`it is`
`12:31.04`	`CIA-11`	`03thrae * r9395 10VzScript/VzScript.toc: VzScript -- Useless change to get it zipped.`
`12:31.19`	`Gngsk`	`was up before that thrae :P`
`12:31.25`	`XLVII`	`does pubcrawl let you hide the microbuttons, etc. etc.?`
`12:31.35`	`Kebinusan`	`yeah`
`12:31.39`	`yacoob`	`weird.`
`12:31.56`	`yacoob`	`gah, proxy t/o...:E`
`12:36.56`	`yacoob`	`I'll start with making another mem map for current UI.`
`12:37.38`	`yacoob`	`still, there are some things that cannot be ditched :)`
`12:37.54`	`yacoob`	`guildads, group calendar, gatherer...`
`12:38.06`	`Gngsk`	`gatherer shudder`
`12:38.23`	`yacoob`	`Gngsk: anything to replace it? :)`
`12:39.01`	`Gngsk`	`http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/obj-map.html?mobid=341&zoneid=2009`
`12:39.17`	`Thrae`	`CT_MapMod works instead of Gatherer, except it doesn't put icons on the minimap.`
`12:40.32`	`sbu`	`hmmm whats that !!!Libraries in svn? are those embedded libs (eg. BigWigs/Libs) not needed anymore? (can i remove them if i have those !!!Libraries package?)`
`12:40.54`	`XLVII`	`sbu, you read my mind`
`12:40.58`	`XLVII`	`i was just about to ask that.`
`12:41.15`	`Thrae`	`sbu: They contain all the external, embedded libraries that Rophy uses. If you download that, you probably can ignore externals.`
`12:41.26`	`Thrae`	`Most if not all.`
`12:42.26`	`sbu`	`so i really could remove those Libs subfolders of my ace2 addons? (AceAddon, AceConsole, etc..) didnt get that ;)`
`12:43.06`	`Gngsk`	`you need Ace2-xx.zip if you wanna remove those folders`
`12:43.16`	`sbu`	`http://www.sariash.de/sunrise/wow/ui/Kill-Libs.bat.txt <-- ah`
`12:43.18`	`sbu`	`:)`
`12:43.20`	`Gngsk`	`and !!!Libraries is missing at least CandyBars, so you'll have to leave that one there`
`12:43.26`	`sbu`	`found the thread`
`12:44.10`	`XLVII`	`what does REM do?`
`12:44.13`	`sbu`	`lets try, backup ftw`
`12:44.17`	`Gngsk`	`hehe`
`12:44.22`	`sbu`	`REM is comment`
`12:44.32`	`Gngsk`	`remove I guess`
`12:44.33`	`XLVII`	`ok.`
`12:44.47`	`XLVII`	`REM is the MS DOS batch file method of providing comments.`
`12:44.53`	`sbu`	`yep`
`12:45.38`	`Laric`	`rem = remark :P`
`12:46.28`	`XLVII`	`so just curious`
`12:46.34`	`XLVII`	`i don't actually need to download 'Ace2'`
`12:48.00`	`Laric`	`you have actually never needed it as the addons should have em all as externals`
`12:49.43`	`Gngsk`	`it's there for those who want to speed up loading time`
`12:51.54`	`XLVII`	`does simplecombatlog colour the combat log too?`
`12:52.06`	`Mikma`	`ya`
`12:52.15`	`Thrae`	`XLVII: Uhh, that's EXACTLY what it does`
`12:52.33`	`Thrae`	`HitsMode included colouring, afaik, and it's a HitsMode clone`
`12:52.48`	`XLVII`	`oh sweet!`
`12:53.01`	`XLVII`	`so uh..`
`12:53.13`	`XLVII`	`what do we do for addons we need that aren't in /files/`
`12:53.17`	`XLVII`	`but are on the svn? ;F`
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`12:53.30`	`[Ammo]`	`ask nicely for someone to touch the addon for you`
`12:53.32`	`sbu`	`ask some nice dev to update ;p`
`12:54.04`	`XLVII`	`may someone touch pubcrawl please? :)`
`12:54.22`	`XLVII`	`and all the id addons please? :)`
`12:54.49`	`[Ammo]`	`pubcrawl is in the branches`
`12:54.57`	`[Ammo]`	`so you're in tough luck :)`
`12:55.12`	`XLVII`	`what is it a branch off?`
`12:55.15`	`XLVII`	`;o`
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`12:55.33`	`[Ammo]`	`it's in the branches subfolder and those don't get zipped I think`
`12:55.38`	`Thrae`	`Some people put unstable addons in branches, leaving trunk for release.`
`12:55.46`	`XLVII`	`does anyone have pubcrawl? <3`
`12:55.58`	`Moondrake[G5]`	`ree`
`12:55.58`	`haste`	`since putting them in trunk = users whingin about bugs :S`
`12:56.22`	`XLVII`	`can a developer please download pubcrawl and upload it somewhere? :)`
`12:57.44`	`sbu`	`hm nice, wow addon folder from 4700 files down to 2700 files ;)`
`12:58.17`	`Moondrake[G5]`	`ammo: finished with bigwigs?`
`12:58.37`	`Laric`	`I have 4265 files.. but many of those are svn files`
`12:59.17`	`CIA-11`	`03thrae * r9396 10/trunk/ (12 files in 12 dirs): Industrial Addons (in trunk) -- Multiple TOC updates and useless TOC revisions to get them zipped.`
`12:59.38`	`XLVII`	`thankyou thrae`
`13:01.01`	`sbu`	`Laric: yep - i just got rid of them, removed all .svn stuff because soon i'll be unable to use it (because of that dev only thing ;p)`
`13:02.25`	`XLVII`	`would someone be able to download and upload pubcrawl to somewhere please? :)`
`13:04.32`	`Mikk`	`it's in the svn? i could just touch the toc`
`13:04.47`	`Kebinusan`	`XLVII, http://www.simplicity-guild.com/Updates/PubCrawl.zip but it doesnt support pet bars yet fyi`
`13:04.54`	`Kebinusan`	`mikk, its in branches, those arent zipped yet`
`13:04.57`	`XLVII`	`oh, i hide my pet bar anyway..`
`13:05.01`	`Mikk`	`Kebinusan: ah`
`13:05.06`	`XLVII`	`Not Found`
`13:05.06`	`XLVII`	`The requested URL /Updates/PubCrawl.zip was not found on this server.`
`13:05.16`	`Kebinusan`	`err lowercase c`
`13:05.34`	`Kebinusan`	`http://www.simplicity-guild.com/Updates/Pubcrawl.zip`
`13:05.46`	`Mikma`	`yeah and pubcrawl doesn't support druid bear :(`
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`13:08.42`	`Mikma`	`http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php/topic,2001.msg38478.html#msg38478`
`13:08.44`	`Mikma`	`hehe`
`13:09.02`	`tumetom`	`is the svn already dev only?`
`13:09.19`	`Mikk`	`yes`
`13:10.30`	`tumetom`	`kk:)`
`13:14.52`	`yacoob`	`(rave) with DUF the thing is similar, although my requirements are much simpler this time.`
`13:15.07`	`yacoob`	`The "I like my current UF" is just so strong :)`
`13:15.33`	`Moondrake[G5]`	`whats the command in IRC for showing all available commands?`
`13:15.46`	`yacoob`	`it depends on the irc client used`
`13:15.53`	`Moondrake[G5]`	`Conversation`
`13:15.58`	`CIA-11`	`03ammo * r9397 10BigWigs/AQ40/Cthun.lua: BigWigs (C'Thun): timers adjusted for 1.12`
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`13:17.56`	`CIA-11`	`03ammo * r9398 10BigWigs/AQ40/Cthun.lua: BigWigs (C'Thun): also warn for the correct time`
`13:20.07`	`yacoob`	`can you name any of "well supported" UF? It turned out that I only know DUF and perl..`
`13:20.27`	`Moondrake[G5]`	`i started to use agUF yesterday`
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`13:20.44`	`Moondrake[G5]`	`my bro uses XPerl`
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`13:21.49`	`yacoob`	`this is my current layout: http://hell.pl/yacoob/ui.png`
`13:22.14`	`yacoob`	`and I like the "lack of hp" counter, does any UF supports that?`
`13:22.16`	`Tuplad`	`yuck @ discord`
`13:22.20`	`Tuplad`	`yes`
`13:22.23`	`Tuplad`	`all of them do`
`13:22.45`	`yacoob`	`Tuplad: why yucking? :)`
`13:22.55`	`Tuplad`	`it's well ugly`
`13:23.14`	`tumetom`	`yacob: sage`
`13:23.28`	`[Ammo]`	`agUF is just fine imho`
`13:23.43`	`yacoob`	`Tuplad: my layout, or the design of the addon itself?`
`13:23.47`	`Tuplad`	`what [Ammo] said ^`
`13:23.51`	`Tuplad`	`yacoob: well`
`13:24.09`	`Tuplad`	`yacoob: the layout is pretty standard - discord make everything ugly so dont worry`
`13:24.12`	`yacoob`	`I tried agUF, but I guess I didn't gave it enough loving, to customize it well.`
`13:24.13`	`Tuplad`	`makes*`
`13:27.02`	`Tuplad`	`yacoob: I wouldnt even feel offended when someone told me my UI is ugly if I used Discord :d`
`13:29.00`	`yacoob`	`Tuplad: spare the trolling :)`
`13:29.38`	`Gamefaq`	`yacoob: what chat addon you use?`
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`13:29.48`	`yacoob`	`Gamefaq: chatr`
`13:29.57`	`yacoob`	`Gamefaq: it has tabs! :D`
`13:30.07`	`Gamefaq`	`thats why i ask`
`13:30.25`	`yacoob`	`I recommend that, very sueful`
`13:30.29`	`yacoob`	`argh! useful! :D`
`13:31.18`	`Tuplad`	`>_>`
`13:31.23`	`Tuplad`	`sueful lol`
`13:31.27`	`Gamefaq`	`the message there thats say�s you have a new whisper is that chatr too?`
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`13:39.25`	`sbu`	`yacoob: hum - how to use those tabe? atm i have a new window for every player (thats what i got with forgottenchat too, so nothing really new ;p)`
`13:39.48`	`yacoob`	`sbu: /chatr`
`13:40.00`	`yacoob`	`sbu: set it to dock mode`
`13:40.05`	`sbu`	`ahhh`
`13:40.06`	`sbu`	`:)`
`13:40.08`	`sbu`	`thx`
`13:40.24`	`yacoob`	`Gamefaq: it shows 'new message' when it's minimalized. And I had it set to 'autominimalize on +combat'`
`13:40.49`	`yacoob`	`newests version brough ghost mode (change alpha, disable interaction) which could be an alternative.`
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`13:53.51`	`[NI]Machine`	`Are there any lighter alternatives to AutoBar?`
`13:54.06`	`CIA-11`	`03phyber * r9399 10FuBar_MoneyFu/ (FuBar_MoneyFu.toc Libs/ MoneyFu.lua MoneyFuLocals.lua):`
`13:54.06`	`CIA-11`	`MoneyFu:`
`13:54.06`	`CIA-11`	`- Added AceConsole to TOC`
`13:54.07`	`CIA-11`	`- Removed CMD_OPTIONS from Locals file`
`13:54.07`	`CIA-11`	`- Slash commands really do work now.`
`13:55.00`	`Thrae`	`[NI]Machine: I just use a Macro + a function which uses an item given its name.`
`13:55.46`	`CIA-11`	`03moonsorrow * r9400 10BigWigs/AQ40/Sartura.lua:`
`13:55.46`	`CIA-11`	`BigWigs (Sartura):`
`13:55.46`	`CIA-11`	`- typo found: omg!`
`13:56.09`	`Gngsk`	`didn't tekkub write something that picks item based on certain variables? like it'll choose which mana/health pot based on current mana/health`
`13:56.10`	`Thrae`	`For example, my "HPot" macro will either use a Healthstone if I have one, a BG Healing Draught, or my best Healing Potion`
`13:56.16`	`[NI]Machine`	`Thrae: Yeah, I might end up doing just that`
`13:56.46`	`Thrae`	`Gngsk: Do people actually use that?`
`13:56.56`	`Thrae`	`I mean, when I use a pot, I'm in TROUBLE, so I need all I can get`
`13:57.04`	`Gngsk`	`I dunno`
`13:57.15`	`Gngsk`	`eh, sometimes I'll use superior healing pots early instead of major healing pots late`
`13:57.44`	`Thrae`	`[NI]Machine: Take a look at the functions provided by ThraeFuncs.`
`13:59.10`	`Thrae`	`I need a combined Potion / Trinket bag`
`13:59.46`	`Thrae`	`I don't understand the use of either the Enchanting or the Herb bags.`
`13:59.51`	`CIA-11`	`03ammo 07Ammo * r9402 10oRA2/oRA2/Optional/Resurrection.lua: oRA2: typo fix`
`14:00.00`	`Gngsk`	`they're meant to sit in the bank`
`14:00.10`	`Gngsk`	`but yea, it's stuff that can easily sit in the mail`
`14:00.19`	`Thrae`	`Ah, good point.`
`14:00.22`	`Thrae`	`Right, or mules.`
`14:03.21`	`Kebinusan`	`Our guild herb alt is full of herb bags`
`14:03.38`	`Tuplad`	`:o`
`14:04.08`	`Kebinusan`	`we have way too many guild bank alts`
`14:04.23`	`evl`	`I have to say the development is tragic`
`14:04.32`	`*** join/#wowace Jarenthal (n=Roo@cpe-071-076-173-175.triad.res.rr.com)`
`14:04.35`	`evl`	`On my server there are at any given time atleast 20+ hunter farming bots in BS`
`14:04.59`	`Kebinusan`	`evl yeah same on our server there are quite a few`
`14:05.09`	`evl`	`The price of gold is so low that I could buy 10.000g for a single hour work for my dayjob`
`14:05.22`	`sbu`	`hmm - oRa_x addons work with oRa2?`
`14:05.35`	`evl`	`Makes thinking of farming despairing :)`
`14:06.18`	`yacoob`	`Thrae: try smartrestore`
`14:06.25`	`haste`	`sbu: nope`
`14:06.36`	`yacoob`	`Thrae: it gives keybindings and /commands for potions and such`
`14:07.06`	`sbu`	`haste: hm i guess that oRa2 is still under construction? (-> i have to use oRa1)`
`14:07.08`	`yacoob`	`(and has a little bug, see my comments on ui.worldofwar.net)`
`14:07.14`	`Thrae`	`yacoob: I wasn't the one who asked, my functions work fine and have 0 bloat with no bugs.`
`14:07.17`	`Tuplad`	`evlOn my server there are at any given time atleast 20+ hunter farming bots in BS`
`14:07.18`	`CIA-11`	`03erwanoops * r9403 10BigWigs/AQ40/ (10 files): BigWigsBigWigs : AQ40 adding French trigger translation`
`14:07.18`	`Tuplad`	`BS ?`
`14:07.24`	`evl`	`Burning Steppes`
`14:07.26`	`Tuplad`	`oh`
`14:07.36`	`yacoob`	`sorry then misread 8)`
`14:07.55`	`evl`	`We have a game going in my guild`
`14:08.01`	`evl`	`Farmer RoundUp`
`14:08.13`	`evl`	`how many farmers can you train to the alliance guards at nigels :)`
`14:08.15`	`evl`	`My record is 5!`
`14:08.30`	`yacoob`	`btw, http://user.it.uu.se/~svens/larverna/normal.html - plaguelands live`
`14:08.51`	`[NI]Machine`	`Does any event fire when a target is tapped? Tagged by someone else?`
`14:08.58`	`Tuplad`	`2. Simulation Programmers (Nerdus matrixus) - so that's where the word 'nerd' comes from`
`14:10.03`	`yacoob`	`hm, smartheal doesn't support agUF...`
`14:10.05`	`CIA-11`	`03phyber * r9404 10FuBar_TopScoreFu/ (4 files in 2 dirs):`
`14:10.05`	`CIA-11`	`TopScoreFu:`
`14:10.05`	`CIA-11`	`- Chat commands now working.`
`14:10.08`	`Mikma`	`yacoob: that's wicked shit! :D`
`14:10.10`	`Mikk`	`yacoob: nice one`
`14:11.22`	`Tuplad`	`yacoob: well wtf :\|`
`14:12.56`	`CIA-11`	`03ammo 07Ammo * r9405 10oRA2/oRA2/Core.lua: oRA2: now fires an event when Afk/Dnd status is updated. there you go moonsorrow :)`
`14:13.09`	`yacoob`	`perhaps anyone tried here agUF + smartheal?`
`14:13.41`	`Mikma`	`nope`
`14:16.47`	`CIA-11`	`03moonsorrow 07Ammo * r9406 10oRA2/oRA2/Core.lua:`
`14:16.47`	`CIA-11`	`oRA2:`
`14:16.47`	`CIA-11`	`- added german translation`
`14:17.07`	`Mikma`	`http://wow.reaktio.net/latest.jpg`
`14:17.07`	`Tuplad`	`[Ammo]: Imma give oRA2 a try`
`14:17.15`	`Tuplad`	`Mikma: sexy`
`14:17.19`	`Mikma`	`aguf is nearly missing on that pic :(`
`14:17.40`	`Mikma`	`you can see the PW:S icon in left above PR`
`14:17.49`	`Tuplad`	`Mikma: Gimme your XRS settings`
`14:18.27`	`Mikma`	`s/Gimme/Please can you give me/ :P`
`14:18.53`	`Tuplad`	`Uhh`
`14:19.01`	`Tuplad`	`s/Gimme/Please can you give me/`
`14:19.15`	`Mikma`	`http://wow.reaktio.net/XRS.lua`
`14:19.26`	`Tuplad`	`cheers!`
`14:20.50`	`Tuplad`	`Mikma: Going to steal your Bartender settings to >:\|`
`14:21.44`	`Kebinusan`	`Mikma when did battle chat get icons?`
`14:22.03`	`evl`	`are any of the ACE raid mods interoperable with CT?`
`14:22.05`	`Mikma`	`Kebinusan: that's EavesDrop`
`14:22.30`	`sbu`	`Mikma: hm whats that buff thing - missing buffs?`
`14:22.49`	`Mikma`	`sbu: XRS`
`14:22.55`	`sbu`	`yah, i know`
`14:22.59`	`sbu`	`but what does it show?`
`14:23.02`	`Mikma`	`Tuplad: http://wow.reaktio.net/Bartender2.lua`
`14:23.16`	`Mikma`	`sbu: shift+click on the icon = paste to raid missing buffs`
`14:23.25`	`sbu`	`uh, nice`
`14:23.37`	`sbu`	`and that number is count of missing buffs?`
`14:23.56`	`Tuplad`	`Mikma: thanks!`
`14:24.01`	`yacoob`	`no centered chat? :D`
`14:24.09`	`Tuplad`	`evlare any of the ACE raid mods interoperable with CT?`
`14:24.11`	`Tuplad`	`evl: oRA?`
`14:24.14`	`Mikma`	`yacoob: there was problems with chatjustify/centered text`
`14:24.20`	`Tuplad`	`~dict interoperable`
`14:24.30`	`Mikma`	`i don't know does anyone else than me know it yet hehe`
`14:24.53`	`Mikma`	`Itemlinks aren't clickable if you use something other justify than LEFT`
`14:24.54`	`evl`	`Tuplad: yes, what I want is the instructions that my raid leader provides via CT but with oRA :)`
`14:25.10`	`Tuplad`	`evl: It'll work :\`
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`14:25.30`	`Kebinusan`	`hmm Mikma that eavesdrop thing is kinda neat`
`14:25.30`	`evl`	`as long as I don't have to run the CT beast I'm happy`
`14:25.37`	`Tuplad`	`evl: Yup :) oRA will work`
`14:25.38`	`Kebinusan`	`be interesting to see how it progresses`
`14:25.51`	`Tuplad`	`evl: oRA for CTRA, and BigWigs for CTRA_BossMods`
`14:26.05`	`Kebinusan`	`ugh, how can you even compare bigwigs to ctra_bossmods`
`14:26.12`	`evl`	`Is there an Ace2 version out?`
`14:26.12`	`Tuplad`	`I mean, replacement :D`
`14:26.13`	`[NI]Machine`	`Off topic: Are there any experienced mages in here? I need to decide on wether to go fire or frost when leveling my alt. I'm thinking frost because it's a pvp-server`
`14:26.16`	`Tuplad`	`evl: oRA2`
`14:26.21`	`evl`	`in trunk?`
`14:26.30`	`Tuplad`	`[NI]Machine: Elemental`
`14:26.37`	`Tuplad`	`evl: svn.wowace.com/files`
`14:27.16`	`[Ammo]`	`Tuplad: it's not in the files folder`
`14:27.17`	`evl`	`Tuplad: i prefer SVN, just need to know what branch it's in :)`
`14:27.25`	`Tuplad`	`[Ammo]: It's not ? :O`
`14:27.26`	`Thrae`	`[NI]Machine: I'd take a hybrid build which gives some PvP viability while focusing more on PvE.`
`14:27.31`	`Tuplad`	`evl: SVN is available for developers only, not ?`
`14:27.39`	`[Ammo]`	`branches/oRA2/Ammo/oRA2/ is where it's at`
`14:27.41`	`Tuplad`	`Thrae: Elemental that is.`
`14:27.45`	`Tuplad`	`[Ammo]: Ooo :)`
`14:28.22`	`Gngsk`	`[Ammo], any idea when it might find it's way in to trunk?`
`14:28.24`	`evl`	`[Ammo]: thanks mate`
`14:28.35`	`[Ammo]`	`when I deem it ready enough for trunk`
`14:28.43`	`Gngsk`	`good answer!`
`14:28.48`	`[NI]Machine`	`Hm, I'm gonna have to play with the talent calculator some`
`14:28.50`	`[Ammo]`	`hmm how do I quickly replace a string in a string`
`14:28.57`	`Gngsk`	`family fued clap`
`14:29.00`	`Tuplad`	`[NI]Machine: I can give you a pretty elemental build :>`
`14:29.03`	`[Ammo]`	`aka I have a string with "blah %s blah"`
`14:29.04`	`Thrae`	`[Ammo]: string.gsub`
`14:29.08`	`[Ammo]`	`and I want: "blah blah"`
`14:29.16`	`Tuplad`	`[NI]Machine: It's a beast in leveling, and you tear everything apart in pvp`
`14:29.17`	`[Ammo]`	`so replce "%s " with ""`
`14:29.20`	`[Ammo]`	`k`
`14:29.25`	`evl`	`[Ammo]: gsub("/%s/", "")`
`14:29.41`	`Thrae`	`[NI]Machine: However if you plan on doing WSG while you level up, I'd just go Frost.`
`14:30.04`	`[Ammo]`	`blah = string.gsub( something, "/%s/", "") right ?`
`14:30.11`	`Mikma`	`ROFL! i got a good pic`
`14:30.24`	`Thrae`	`[Ammo]: Manual explains it well.`
`14:30.24`	`Mikma`	`http://wow.reaktio.net/legendary.jpg`
`14:30.25`	`Gngsk`	`share`
`14:30.27`	`Mikma`	`there you go`
`14:30.37`	`[Ammo]`	`:)`
`14:30.45`	`evl`	`Who's the minimalist author?`
`14:30.51`	`Thrae`	`grennon`
`14:30.51`	`evl`	`ah, grennon`
`14:30.54`	`[NI]Machine`	`Thrae: I don't think I will do too many bgs. I just want to level mostly. But I do enjoy pvp so I don't want to be completely gimped`
`14:30.54`	`Tuplad`	`[NI]Machine: You can try this: http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=kZVgMzbczZVVGcobth`
`14:30.56`	`CIA-11`	`03erwanoops * r9407 10BigWigs/Naxxramas/ (6 files): BigWigs : Naxxramas adding French trigger translation for some boss`
`14:31.34`	`evl`	`MikScrollingBattleText isn't ACE is it?`
`14:31.56`	`haste`	`it isn't`
`14:32.03`	`evl`	`then it must BUUUUUUUUUUUURN`
`14:32.09`	`haste`	`"ok"`
`14:32.10`	`Tuplad`	`Mik said it needs more than what Ace has to offer.`
`14:32.14`	`Tuplad`	`^ what he said`
`14:32.19`	`[NI]Machine`	`Tuplad: Ok, which tree should I start with? I can see cold snap being very nice to have`
`14:32.58`	`Tuplad`	`[NI]Machine: Frost is nice damage and you barely get hit + your mana never ends, Fire is mana hog, good damage and you get oom quick.`
`14:33.16`	`evl`	`iceblock ftw`
`14:33.21`	`Tuplad`	`[NI]Machine: I'd go Frost as I like it more :)`
`14:33.22`	`evl`	`god #"�%&/ irritating shit`
`14:33.25`	`evl`	`(me rogue)`
`14:33.29`	`Tuplad`	`[NI]Machine: + Iceblock eats babies`
`14:33.33`	`Tuplad`	`evl: wurd :)`
`14:33.33`	`[NI]Machine`	`Yeah, I'll go frost too I think`
`14:33.37`	`Tuplad`	`evl: I kite rogues with frostbolt rank 1`
`14:33.47`	`Tuplad`	`[NI]Machine: Get imp frostbolt and kite melees with rank 1 frostbolt`
`14:33.49`	`haste`	`http://www.beverpung.net/images/games/wow/WoWScrnShot_082806_160346.png << I worked some more on that btw`
`14:33.52`	`evl`	`It's a matter of time before I get my rank 14 dagger`
`14:33.57`	`evl`	`then we'll see about that my little clothie friend`
`14:33.59`	`haste`	`it also displays item quality in the bar now`
`14:34.02`	`Tuplad`	`haste: wow`
`14:34.42`	`Kebinusan`	`Haste thats pretty cool`
`14:34.47`	`[NI]Machine`	`Tuplad: Ever done aoe grinding with frost?`
`14:35.03`	`Tuplad`	`[NI]Machine: AoE grinding is shit`
`14:35.13`	`Gngsk`	`haste, pr0n!`
`14:35.33`	`Tuplad`	`you have instant AE and evocation, [NI]Machine, so you dont depend on arcane for aoe grinding`
`14:35.40`	`evl`	`haste: that's some sexy minimapframe you got there`
`14:35.55`	`Mikma`	`Thrae: same, FCT + EavesDrop`
`14:36.02`	`haste`	`evl: yeh, it's from the T. King thingy on WoWI`
`14:36.05`	`Tuplad`	`evl: King's work`
`14:36.16`	`evl`	`haste: undead theme thingy?`
`14:36.19`	`Tuplad`	`evl: ye`
`14:37.03`	`evl`	`pretty smooth the rest of the artwork too`
`14:37.22`	`Tuplad`	`[NI]Machine: Altho, if you take Frost Channeling and Imp. Blizz you can go AoE grind and change the build later :)`
`14:37.27`	`evl`	`I spent ages making my own bottom artwork before I figured out ALPHBABIT :)`
`14:37.49`	`Mikma`	`haste: you think that's fair? lvl60 against lvl12 or so xD`
`14:37.49`	`*** join/#wowace Elkano (n=elkano@ip-213-135-2-173.handshake.de)`
`14:38.04`	`[NI]Machine`	`Tuplad: Yeah, I'm gonna play around with the calculator some and see what combinations I can find`
`14:38.04`	`haste`	`Mikma: I pull half the instance tho' :<`
`14:38.10`	`haste`	`Mikma: and they knockdown`
`14:38.37`	`Tuplad`	`Mikma: yeh, and using all cds`
`14:38.58`	`haste`	`not all, I still had vanish left`
`14:39.26`	`Tuplad`	`-_-`
`14:39.56`	`evl`	`haste: what's the combatlog mod?`
`14:40.01`	`Mikma`	`haste: zomg :)`
`14:40.11`	`Mikma`	`evl: good one!`
`14:40.16`	`Mikma`	`HASTE HAS SCL!`
`14:40.21`	`Mikma`	`teh busted!`
`14:40.38`	`haste`	`Mikma: what's busted with that?`
`14:40.56`	`Tuplad`	`:\ I have SCL`
`14:41.25`	`Mikma`	`haste: you didn't like any combatlog parser at some point, you used your own colored combatlog`
`14:41.32`	`sbu`	`uhm btw - is it really possible to farm dm west books without killing mobs? somebody told me that if you go the right entrance (of dm west ;o) there are two stone boards, and there is a 0.x% chance of such books (just lying around)`
`14:41.42`	`Tuplad`	`sbu: yes`
`14:41.45`	`haste`	`Mikma: yes, I used my own colors for several patches, but SCL is okey`
`14:42.15`	`sbu`	`Tuplad: oke, thx :o`
`14:42.34`	`sbu`	`need that stupid compendium sigh`
`14:43.03`	`Tuplad`	`sbu: :D`
`14:43.10`	`[NI]Machine`	`I seem to remember a bar addon or possibly just an addon that would display how many times you could repeat an action based on your current mana. Ie Frostbolt (Rank 1) would have a little 11 in it`
`14:43.12`	`haste`	`sbu: ask Cartas, he always gets a compendium when he is in DM.`
`14:43.38`	`Tuplad`	`[NI]Machine: Uhh`
`14:43.41`	`Tuplad`	`[NI]Machine: lern2count`
`14:43.45`	`Cartas`	`Haha`
`14:43.47`	`Cartas`	`Haste :P`
`14:44.02`	`haste`	`Cartas: how many times have you been in DM ;) ?`
`14:44.02`	`Kebinusan`	`[NI]Machine, abinfo does that, so does theorycraft.. and apparently lern2count`
`14:44.10`	`Cartas`	`2 times. ;)`
`14:44.17`	`haste`	`and how many compendiums have you won?`
`14:44.20`	`Cartas`	`2!`
`14:44.23`	`haste`	`point proven`
`14:45.02`	`[NI]Machine`	`Kebinusan: Thanks`
`14:45.12`	`[NI]Machine`	`Tuplad: Plblth!`
`14:45.49`	`Tuplad`	`[NI]Machine: >:\| ?`
`14:45.58`	`*** join/#wowace Cheads (i=chead@0x57327e5c.virnxx18.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk)`
`14:46.14`	`[NI]Machine`	`Tuplad: It's actually called lern2count??`
`14:46.31`	`Tuplad`	`Yes it is ...`
`14:46.37`	`Tuplad`	`:/`
`14:46.50`	`[NI]Machine`	`Sheesh. Sorry man I didn't think the world had sunk that far`
`14:47.10`	`Fritti`	`there's also lern2spell :)`
`14:47.25`	`Tuplad`	`-_-`
`14:47.40`	`Tuplad`	`[NI]Machine: Moonwolf's creations :>`
`14:47.49`	`Fritti`	`lern2spell is tekkub's`
`14:48.12`	`CIA-11`	`03ammo * r9408 10WitchHunt/WitchHunt.lua: WitchHunt: Fixed emote extra s appearances`
`14:48.42`	`Tuplad`	`Fritti: lern2count`
`14:49.04`	`[NI]Machine`	`Oy, lightning. Always exciting to sit infront of the computer when lightning strikes`
`14:49.09`	`Fritti`	`[Ammo]: something I didn't have the time to check yet, but is it possible that the WitchHunt frame isn't anchored at UIParent? tried to take a screenshot the other day and the messages didn't go away when doing the UI hide thing`
`14:49.21`	`yacoob`	`[NI]Machine: abinfo does that, I think.`
`14:49.26`	`yacoob`	`(spell c ount)`
`14:49.27`	`haste`	`ABInfo ;(`
`14:50.09`	`Tuplad`	`abinfo ftl`
`14:50.16`	`Tuplad`	`I dont like idling with 30kb/s`
`14:50.33`	`*** join/#wowace mjc (n=mjc@72.17.187.154)`
`14:50.53`	`Tuplad`	`new toc is '11200' right ?`
`14:51.01`	`yacoob`	`hm, it does that, Tuplad? :)`
`14:51.10`	`Tuplad`	`yes`
`14:51.13`	`Thrae`	`Tuplad: There's a new, Ace2 version of ABInfo`
`14:51.16`	`Tuplad`	`OmniCC has a flash effect`
`14:51.20`	`Tuplad`	`Thrae: :O`
`14:51.27`	`Thrae`	`Been around for a while`
`14:51.48`	`Tuplad`	`cool, didnt know`
`14:51.50`	`CIA-11`	`03tuplad * r9409 10lern2count/lern2count.toc: lern2count - Modified .toc for da zip file!`
`14:51.54`	`Tuplad`	`I'll stick with OmniCC`
`14:52.05`	`[NI]Machine`	`Key 1: Frostbolt, Mouse thumb button: Drink. Life as a mage can be pretty complex`
`14:52.19`	`yacoob`	`Tuplad: hm, I'll test that then.`
`14:52.30`	`Tuplad`	`yacoob: it requires brains`
`14:52.34`	`CIA-11`	`03ammo * r9410 10WitchHunt/WitchHunt.lua: WitchHunt: now parented to UIParent`
`14:52.34`	`Tuplad`	`yacoob: slash commands, you know ?`
`14:52.45`	`yacoob`	`recoils in horror I'm doomed!`
`14:52.47`	`*** join/#wowace tyheam_ (n=tyheam@p5082066B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de)`
`14:52.56`	`Thrae`	`I use OmniCC + RedRange myself`
`14:53.06`	`Tuplad`	`same`
`14:53.09`	`CIA-11`	`03tuplad * r9411 10lern2count_plugins/lern2count_bongos/lern2count_bongos.toc: lern2count_plugins - Updated .toc for da zip file!`
`14:53.18`	`yacoob`	`(fyi, I do not fear slash commands, it's only the level of detail I could dislike about setting thigns with visarbuttons :)`
`14:55.43`	`Thrae`	`http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php/topic,918.0.html <-- AceButtonInfo, ABInfo ace'd`
`14:56.30`	`Thrae`	`Although Orione himself says "use OmniCC instead of this"`
`14:56.59`	`yacoob`	`By the way, I've seen mem increase as high as 40KBpsec. And that was without discord :)`
`14:57.40`	`yacoob`	`Any good way to "break down" the memory usage besides warmup?`
`14:58.08`	`[Ammo]`	`install tekSupport and check what eventframes and onupdate handlers eat a lot of memory`
`14:58.11`	`Thrae`	`yacoob: tekSupport`
`14:59.10`	`Thrae`	`The very best way is trial-and-error if you have idle KB/s increases above 5.`
`15:00.05`	`yacoob`	`start with minimum, add by one, heh :)`
`15:01.26`	`Gngsk`	`ok, time to buy a new computer.`
`15:04.04`	`[NI]Machine`	`Are any events fired when a mob is tapped by a player?`
`15:04.32`	`JoshBorke`	`[NI]Machine, don't believe so`
`15:04.53`	`yacoob`	`Thrae: from what I remember it's usually 10-15, with rare cases being up to 40-50 :/`
`15:05.02`	`yacoob`	`but, well, will test that.`
`15:05.07`	`[NI]Machine`	`JoshBorke: Ok thanks`
`15:05.19`	`Thrae`	`yacoob: Mine is ~0.3 idle, up to 10KB/s`
`15:05.35`	`[NI]Machine`	`ParserLib eats alot for me in combat`
`15:05.37`	`yacoob`	`Heh :>`
`15:05.38`	`Thrae`	`And that's with ~50 installed mods.`
`15:05.50`	`[NI]Machine`	`If I'm reading tekSupport correctly`
`15:05.53`	`yacoob`	`I wonder then what leaks that much :>`
`15:06.31`	`*** join/#wowace Cartas (n=Cartas@host86-134-20-152.range86-134.btcentralplus.com)`
`15:06.51`	`Tuplad`	`http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html;jsessionid=32DA4C09BEB07855088A6F20EBB8C4DE?topicId=11211166&sid=1 wow`
`15:06.55`	`Thrae`	`[NI]Machine: tekSupport has different modes, you're probably looking at time spent in a function, and yes, ParserLib will be your most active mod in combat`
`15:07.34`	`Thrae`	`But if your mod also has CompostLib it shouldn't use any additional memory.`
`15:08.44`	`[NI]Machine`	`Generally speaking combat spouts off alot even with just the vanilla interface`
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`15:09.27`	`Nickenyfiken`	`http://www.warcraftmovies.com/stream.php?id=26738`
`15:10.10`	`snurre`	`fix ora2 plx :(`
`15:10.31`	`[Ammo]`	`what is there to fix?`
`15:10.50`	`snurre`	`fubar/minimap icon?`
`15:11.36`	`[Ammo]`	`use the console kthxbye`
`15:11.51`	`snurre`	`submenus dont work in deucommander`
`15:11.55`	`Tuplad`	`:D`
`15:11.56`	`[Ammo]`	`or install modmenutufu`
`15:12.00`	`[Ammo]`	`or whatever it's called`
`15:12.22`	`snurre`	`got it, but it's not very quick to access when you have to go through more menus :(`
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`15:12.40`	`[NI]Machine`	`Oh dear, blizzard has hired the retarded kids that updated the everquest 1 models and did the everquest 2 ones`
`15:13.36`	`Thrae`	`[Ammo]: Why aren't you using Compost-2.0 with Parser-1.1?`
`15:14.30`	`[Ammo]`	`I probably do`
`15:14.39`	`[Ammo]`	`but I thought Rophy removed support for compost`
`15:14.46`	`[Ammo]`	`I thought I saw a commit: no more compost`
`15:15.09`	`Rophy`	`it's Parser2-.0`
`15:15.36`	`Thrae`	`That's for Parser2.0, which doesn't send tables anymore. I believe Parser-1.1 can find memory improvements from using Compost, right Rophy?`
`15:15.51`	`[Ammo]`	`ohwell I have Compost-2.0 loaded anyway`
`15:15.57`	`[Ammo]`	`but I can add it to the externals for WitchHunt`
`15:16.15`	`[Ammo]`	`W = end of the alphabet, so Compost is loaded most of the time already :)`
`15:17.03`	`Rophy`	`may be it's possible to remove compost from Parser-1.1 too, but I try not to update 1.1 too much now as it's stable enough.`
`15:17.11`	Neronix`work	`snurre: No idea what the problem is`
`15:17.15`	Neronix`work	`I think it's a dewdrop issue`
`15:17.26`	`Thrae`	`Rophy: I plan on working on Parser-2.0 this week, just had some stuff to do with going back to work.`
`15:17.28`	Neronix`work	`<-- runs to work`
`15:17.42`	`Rophy`	`ok Thrae`
`15:17.48`	`[NI]Machine`	`Will Parser-2.0 be backwards compatible or will addons be needing porting over?`
`15:17.54`	`Thrae`	`Rophy: But using Compost-2.0 with Parser-1.1 at least has better handling of memory, right?`
`15:18.00`	`CIA-11`	`03ammo * r9412 10WitchHunt/ (WitchHunt.toc libs/): WitchHunt: Compost-2.0 added for parserlib benefit`
`15:18.05`	`snurre`	Neronix`work: it works in modmenu, but not deucecommander :/
`15:18.12`	`Rophy`	`what kind of 'backwards compatible' do you want [NI]Machine?`
`15:18.37`	`Thrae`	`[NI]Machine: If it was backwards compatible, it wouldn't be "2.0", it would be "1.2"`
`15:18.39`	`[Ammo]`	`Thrae: feel free to branch WitchHunt for parser-2.0 testing`
`15:19.06`	`[Ammo]`	`or tell me how the API has changed and I'll do it :)`
`15:19.37`	`[NI]Machine`	`Thrae: I wasn't aware of any standards that say that a 2.0 can't be backwards compatible, sorry`
`15:19.58`	`Rophy`	`I mean... what kinds of backward comptability?`
`15:20.02`	`Rophy`	`do you mean API?`
`15:20.07`	`[NI]Machine`	`Rophy: Yes`
`15:20.22`	`Mikma`	`~emulate Neronix`
`15:20.23`	`purl`	`ACTION adds more debug strings`
`15:20.55`	`Thrae`	`[Ammo]: The API isn't planning to change too much for most addon's usage, except you'll register through AceEvent. For addons like WitchHunt, we plan on adding additional custom events which only register for certain pattern matching to get a small increase in speed if you only use WitchHunt.`
`15:21.05`	`Rophy`	`I was planned to do that, but Thrae had a different opinion than I and I'll just do it his way.`
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`15:21.44`	`Rophy`	`actually the early Parser-2.0 I created had the same API, and AceEvent is optional.`
`15:23.06`	`Thrae`	`Rophy: Like I said, we can still have the same API when it comes to registering for events, but I think people will like the change of no more sending tables and no more Compost.`
`15:23.20`	`[Ammo]`	`thrae: well witchhunt doesn't check for certain patterns, it checks for spellcasts by enemies in general`
`15:23.32`	`[Ammo]`	`no tables is good`
`15:23.36`	`[Ammo]`	`just give arguments`
`15:23.41`	`Thrae`	`Well, the same API except using AceEvent, that's just a simple find-and-replace ;)`
`15:23.51`	`Rophy`	`well if we aren't passing tables then the API have to change.`
`15:24.06`	`Rophy`	`becase one Blizzard event can have more than one type of patterns.`
`15:24.39`	`Rophy`	`so I think you can't do one event handler per Blizzard event, without passing a table (dynamic args count).`
`15:25.34`	`[Ammo]`	`you could if your args are in a set order`
`15:25.55`	`Rophy`	`that's if the handler put ALL The possible args for all types.`
`15:25.56`	`[Ammo]`	`if I know the victim is always argument 3 that's fine`
`15:26.06`	`Rophy`	`that's more than 20 args I think.`
`15:26.10`	`Thrae`	`Rophy: Well the way I was thinking it would work on the client-side is that at least for each time the arguments drastically change, then that is a new custom event. Then people can just check for which custom event was triggered and use the arguments appropriately.`
`15:27.01`	`Rophy`	`yes Thare, I'm talking about old API though, not Parser_Hit ones`
`15:27.20`	`[Ammo]`	`I don't really want to use the old API if I can use a new one which sends me more specific info`
`15:27.24`	`[Ammo]`	`without tables`
`15:27.33`	`Thrae`	`Rophy: Yeah, that still isn't -too- big a change. Besides, all the mods which use ParserLib are on the SVN I think.`
`15:28.03`	`Rophy`	`So I dun really disagree with changing the API and removing backward comptabilities.`
`15:28.07`	`[NI]Machine`	`My question was more out of interest. If there's performance to be gained by switching API I'm all for it`
`15:28.14`	`Rophy`	`just that [NI]Machine asked :p`
`15:28.35`	`CIA-11`	`03ammo * r9413 10BigWigs/Naxxramas/Noth.lua: BigWigs (Noth): enUS ~= frFR`
`15:28.36`	`JoshBorke`	`no more tables!`
`15:28.37`	`Kebinusan`	`Bleh I hate this I updated something and my increasing rate is like 16 kIb and I cant figure out what it was`
`15:28.38`	`JoshBorke`	`:-D`
`15:28.43`	`JoshBorke`	`but AceEvent required :-(`
`15:29.17`	`Rophy`	`in Parser-2.0, you'll have performance gain over the old one, if there is only one ParserLib addon which only interested to a few patterns (e.g. WitchHunt).`
`15:29.24`	`Thrae`	`JoshBorke: That's a bad thing?`
`15:29.48`	`[Ammo]`	`I wonder what JoshBorke does in this channel if he thinks AceEvent is :-(`
`15:29.53`	`[Ammo]`	`:)`
`15:29.56`	`snurre`	`how do you set MTs with ora2?`
`15:29.57`	`Rophy`	`but if there is a ParserLib addon loaded, which wants to know all the patterns then there won't have any performance gain. (e.g. SCT, SCL)`
`15:30.00`	`[NI]Machine`	`Right now I'm using two addons which utilizes parserlib, hostelbar and sct`
`15:30.19`	`[Ammo]`	`snurre same way you set them with ora1`
`15:30.52`	`Thrae`	`Rophy: I think we can see other changes just from eliminating the table, as you needed to copy the table's contents to make a "safe" table to pass to people.`
`15:30.53`	`Azurewrath`	`snurre: /ora mt set # name`
`15:31.13`	`JoshBorke`	`well, you know, i like how ParserLib as really all you need for the library :-) I'm just here because good ideas pop up from time to time`
`15:31.21`	`JoshBorke`	`ParserLib 1.1 i should say`
`15:31.24`	`Thrae`	`We can tweak it!`
`15:31.46`	`[Ammo]`	`anyway, time to catch a bus.`
`15:31.49`	`Rophy`	`Thrae:from my benchmark the overhead for that part is tiny, since it only does once per event after parsing through all the patterns.`
`15:32.44`	`[NI]Machine`	`The point of ParserLib is to have a centralized parsing of events to which client addons can subscribe, or?`
`15:32.44`	`Thrae`	`JoshBorke: Ace was developed under the belief that optimization should be centralized. If we need to tweak the user registration side, we tweak AceEvent itself, which will improve the speed for all addons which use AceEvent and not just ParserLib.`
`15:33.24`	`Thrae`	`JoshBorke: Otherwise you look at individually tweaking 5 different addons's own code which may or may not follow the same conventions.`
`15:33.35`	`Tuplad`	`<PROTECTED>`
`15:34.09`	`Thrae`	`[NI]Machine: Centralized, correctly localized parsing. There's a lot of pitfalls when it comes to parsing combat log events in other languages that are not always properly handled in other addons.`
`15:34.29`	`[NI]Machine`	`Thrae: Right`
`15:34.31`	`sbu`	`mhhm`
`15:34.35`	`Thrae`	`Rophy has done an excellent job making ParserLib as locale-free as possible.`
`15:34.45`	`Mikma`	`gosh i'm tired`
`15:35.07`	`sbu`	`gavel of infinite wisdom + lei of the lifegiver > benediction? i really dont know :o`
`15:35.55`	`[NI]Machine`	`I'm just hoping that ParserLib has enough performance to cater to addons (such as SCT) that needs to subscribe to lots of events`
`15:36.09`	`Thrae`	`SCT up on SVN uses ParserLib-1.1.`
`15:36.44`	`Rophy`	`[NI]Machine: Simply for "Parsing patterns once for all addons" will be a giant performance gain`
`15:36.58`	`Rophy`	`compared to every addons doing the same thing for every event.`
`15:37.13`	`Mikma`	`~emulate Neronix`
`15:37.15`	`purl`	`Your mom is HUEG LIEK PS3`
`15:37.53`	`Thrae`	`ParserLib is a centralized place to tweak performance for parsing the combat log. It may or may not be faster then grayhoof doing it himself, but it's probably more accurate.`
`15:38.09`	`Thrae`	`~literal emulate Neronix`
`15:38.10`	`purl`	`"emulate neronix" is "(<reply>(MobInfo2\|MetaMap\|NeedyList\|Gatherer\|Your mom\|Cosmos\|PCUF\|X-Perl\|Discord) is HUEG LIEK PS3\|<action> adds more debug strings)"`
`15:38.11`	`[NI]Machine`	`Thrae: Yeah, I'm running that version of SCT`
`15:38.23`	`Mikma`	`anyone saw the string i added today for ckknight?`
`15:38.28`	`Mikma`	`he said it's very accurate now`
`15:38.52`	`Thrae`	`Well he's using ParserLib-1.1, it should be accurate off the bat ;)`
`15:39.25`	`Rophy`	`I'm sure ParserLib is faster than the old SCT, at least for my computer after I did a lot of testing :p`
`15:39.27`	`[NI]Machine`	`I'm just worried about memory consumption, seems to spike an awful lot in combat`
`15:39.38`	`Mikma`	`~emulate ckknight`
`15:39.42`	`purl`	`ACTION quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))`
`15:39.48`	`[NI]Machine`	`And I'm still very much a nub to this whole addon scene`
`15:39.53`	`Mikma`	`~emulate ckknight`
`15:39.54`	`purl`	`You know why? Because you touch yourself at night`
`15:39.59`	`Mikma`	`there :)`
`15:40.30`	`[NI]Machine`	`I'm not sure I want to know what you were discussing ;)`
`15:40.36`	`tumetom`	`hm does anybody want to write a fast algo to sort the raidgroups?`
`15:40.57`	`Mikma`	`[NI]Machine: You know why? Because you touch yourself at night`
`15:41.00`	`Thrae`	`[NI]Machine: How can you be sure that's ParserLib's fault? Not to say it isn't, as there are initial spikes that will always occur as new patterns are added to be parsed.`
`15:41.26`	`Thrae`	`But that's only the FIRST time ParserLib encounters that event, so your next fight should see no spikes.`
`15:41.48`	`Thrae`	`s/no spikes/no spikes from ParserLib/`
`15:41.49`	`[NI]Machine`	`Thrae: As I said, I'm still very much a newbie to this. And it doesn't seem to spike as much while playing my mage. Probably because mobs don't hit me very often`
`15:42.09`	`Thrae`	`[NI]Machine: You hit them, they hit you, it's all the same to ParserLib`
`15:42.48`	`Rophy`	`anyway, I think we don't need to claim that ParserLib is the best. The main idea for a centralized library is that, if you have an idea to improve it, do it in that library.`
`15:42.56`	`Tuplad`	`~emulate Tuplad`
`15:43.00`	`purl`	`zomg, j00 can not emulate Tuplad suxor!`
`15:43.05`	`Thrae`	`[NI]Machine: Your best bet is to do the old trial-and-error`
`15:43.07`	`Tuplad`	`-_-"`
`15:43.14`	`Tuplad`	`~Tuplad`
`15:43.15`	`purl`	`i guess tuplad is the local troll`
`15:43.19`	`Rophy`	`if you see there is another parser which does better than ParserLib, just steal its code and put it into PaserLib :p`
`15:43.40`	`[NI]Machine`	`I don't doubt the power of parserlib and I really think the idea is great :)`
`15:44.02`	`Rophy`	`the main point is to parse the patterns only once, no matter how many addons are interestd on them.`
`15:44.05`	`[NI]Machine`	`Lots of niftyness built into ace and addons I must say`
`15:44.41`	`[NI]Machine`	`Yep, and running some kind of sct + combat text + damage parser would be awful without central processing`
`15:44.48`	`Thrae`	`I wasn't trying to "defend" ParserLib, I'm just trying to help you out, [NI]Machine. When you talk about KB/s problems often during combat, I don't think that's ParserLib's fault just by the way its coded. If you want to do more research, I suggest trial-and-error.`
`15:45.07`	`*** part/#wowace Tuplad (n=tuplad@d54C52170.access.telenet.be)`
`15:45.28`	`Rophy`	`among the "big ones", only SCT is using ParserLib though...`
`15:45.34`	`Rophy`	`KTM and SWStats aren't.`
`15:45.41`	`[NI]Machine`	`Thrae: Yeah, I'm trying to narrow down what causes the huge spikes whenever I have some time to spare, but I'm not sure I can contribute much`
`15:45.56`	`Thrae`	`KTM needs to be shot, SWStats need to use ParserLib. I plan on hacking it.`
`15:46.02`	`[NI]Machine`	`Haha`
`15:46.06`	`[NI]Machine`	`That's the spirit!`
`15:46.21`	`Rophy`	`actually both should be easy to hack.`
`15:46.33`	`Rophy`	`they both got their parse separated into a file.`
`15:46.46`	`Thrae`	`True, but that doesn't discount that KTM needs to be shot ;)\`
`15:46.52`	`Rophy`	`lol`
`15:47.02`	`Rophy`	`but there isnt any alternative.`
`15:47.06`	`Thrae`	`Lots and lots of raids have been wiped because of that mod`
`15:47.07`	`Rophy`	`go make one Thare :p`
`15:47.28`	`Thrae`	`Well I think ideally SWStats should just include KTM's algorithmns.`
`15:47.28`	`claviola`	`https://beta.worldofwarcraft.com/expansion/downloads/ <-- now if only I knew a blizzard employee :-P`
`15:47.35`	`tumetom`	`ktm.... for noskillPlayers`
`15:47.46`	`Rophy`	`you mean a 'threat plugin' for SWStats?`
`15:47.51`	`Thrae`	`Aren't they made by the same person?`
`15:47.53`	`sbu`	`Thrae: uhm - you dont like ktm in geenral or you dont like HOW ktm handles things?`
`15:47.55`	`Thrae`	`Rophy: Yeah, LoD`
`15:47.58`	`Rophy`	`DamageMeters was going to do that I think.`
`15:48.10`	`Thrae`	`Indeed, DamageMeters had the code, but not the algorithmns.`
`15:48.12`	`Rophy`	`but the author quiited :\`
`15:48.29`	`Mikma`	`all damagemeters should be banned`
`15:48.38`	`Thrae`	`sbu: No, I don't like how -people- handle KTM ;)`
`15:48.45`	`sbu`	`uhm`
`15:48.47`	`sbu`	`huh? :)`
`15:48.53`	`claviola`	`Do you guys know if anyone has patched DM to use the new sync channel?`
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`15:49.03`	`sbu`	`but the most important thing about ktm is that sync feature? (so everyone sends it own data -> most accuracy)`
`15:49.11`	`Thrae`	`"Why are our healers getting attacked, KTM never shows them having too much aggro??!?!" "Because KTM is an ESTIMATE, an ESTTTIIIIMAAAATTTEEE"`
`15:49.16`	`claviola`	`sbu: he thinks having an addon tell you when you should stop DPSing, when tanks are dropping in aggro etc. is "cheating"`
`15:49.23`	`claviola`	`I guess.`
`15:49.24`	`[NI]Machine`	`KTM came out after I stopped raiding and changed server. Is it true that you must use macros for your abilites (sunder armor for example) for KTM to detect it?`
`15:49.25`	`Mikma`	`Thrae: lol`
`15:49.31`	`tumetom`	`I dn't like KTM in general cause everybody should know about his own aggro. To Rely on this addon means wipes..wipes..wipes`
`15:49.33`	`claviola`	`[NI]Machine: no it isn't`
`15:49.34`	`sbu`	`Thiana: heh, yah, i know that...`
`15:49.39`	`[Epic]Gemski`	`Machine, that was old versions`
`15:49.44`	`Mikma`	`[Ammo]: you here?`
`15:49.52`	`Thrae`	`KTM is a good learning tool, though`
`15:49.56`	`claviola`	`agreed`
`15:50.18`	`Rophy`	`just think KTM as a damagemeter, but counts your threat instead of damage.`
`15:50.18`	`[NI]Machine`	`Oh`
`15:50.18`	`sbu`	`ok - but ktm is damn accurate when fighting lashlayer ;o`
`15:50.18`	`Thrae`	`But if you're up to, say, Naxx, you shouldn't be using KTM anymore`
`15:50.19`	`sbu`	`and i think it could make fights more efficiant`
`15:50.25`	`[Epic]Gemski`	`we have a new raid leader who`
`15:50.28`	`Thrae`	`It'll probably hurt you more then help`
`15:50.32`	`[Epic]Gemski`	`is making us use ktm again`
`15:50.41`	`[Epic]Gemski`	`and we have 11 bosses down in naxx :(`
`15:50.43`	`Mikma`	`[Ammo]: BigWigs\Naxxramas\Noth.lua:166: AceLocale(BigWigsNoth the Plaguebrinder): Cannot provide the same locale more than once. "enUS" provided twice.`
`15:50.48`	`[NI]Machine`	`KTM syncs too doesn't it?`
`15:51.01`	`claviola`	`yes`
`15:51.07`	`sbu`	`ktm is nothing but syncing ;o`
`15:51.24`	`sbu`	`(guess thats one of its problems (causing lags))`
`15:51.28`	`[NI]Machine`	`We need an oTM then!`
`15:51.28`	`claviola`	`it's even more important to have as many people using it as possible if you want to rely on the data`
`15:51.29`	`tumetom`	`it syncs too much`
`15:51.39`	`Thrae`	`Why do people use enUS? enGB is almost always the same...`
`15:51.43`	`claviola`	`it is very accurate, though`
`15:52.01`	`Thrae`	`I just call my English locales "enEN"`
`15:52.05`	`claviola`	`but it is a crutch you should actively try to rid yourself of as soon as possible`
`15:52.39`	`sbu`	`well - i suspect ktm of lagging us out on every vaelastraz fight...`
`15:52.47`	`[NI]Machine`	`My new guild is based on crutches. MT1 wants the rest of us warriors to be prot specced as we start doing MC`
`15:52.57`	`[Epic]Gemski`	`Yea, we haven't been using it for months but this new raid leader just likes it. ::shrug::`
`15:53.07`	`[Epic]Gemski`	`although with all the mages going fire`
`15:53.15`	`[Epic]Gemski`	`it's helpful for them to see ignite aggro`
`15:53.45`	`tumetom`	`hm I do not want anybody to use this "shit" (sorry) while raiding...`
`15:54.00`	`Thrae`	`I don't see many things as cheating...mana conservation...and even target-picking...I see them all as very useful -learning- tools, but you can't be a good player if you don't eventually get rid of them. The algorithmns they employ cannot make up for the power of the human mind's ability to reason.`
`15:54.29`	`[NI]Machine`	`You've obviously not played cross realm alterac valley since the patch`
`15:54.33`	`Thrae`	`That said, I use mana conservation and a spell-picker mod (FeralSkills), I still have a good bit to learn ;)`
`15:54.48`	`[NI]Machine`	`I could write a 100 characted macro that had more intelligence than most players in av :(`
`15:54.57`	`Thrae`	`[NI]Machine: Haha`
`15:55.09`	`sbu`	`well Thrae - there is no way of knowing how much aggro a tank has already pulled (our mt missed 5 times in vael encounter -> first heal -> wipe) :o`
`15:55.50`	`Thrae`	`Well, then I don't see them as "cheating" by using those type of mods, as a skilled player will be better then them`
`15:56.03`	`Mikma`	`[Ammo]: nvm, you already fixed it earlier :)`
`15:56.06`	`sbu`	`[NI]Machine: ack - and thats the problem - some players just dont WANT (or arent able to - havent figured out yet) to think... why thinking when its a lot easier to watch some numbers?`
`15:56.13`	`Thrae`	`sbu: Well, I don't see stuff like SWStats and syncing information as cheating regardless`
`15:56.15`	`tumetom`	`sbu ... let's call it "experience" ??`
`15:56.41`	`sbu`	`hm - yep ;p`
`15:57.06`	`[NI]Machine`	`sbu: the sad part is that they're playing so horribly wrong that they never get to fight the opposition because they're taking our relief hut and we're busy killing balinda for rep`
`15:57.17`	`[NI]Machine`	`sbu: so they don't get to see many numbers`
`15:57.21`	`Thrae`	`sbu: It's the "Threat Estimate" that I think people should eventually grow out of as it's never 100% accurate. But syncing to see how much damage the MT has actually done, the times he's missed in the last 5 seconds, etc., I don't find that cheating, I find that pretty necessary for MOST players.`
`15:57.27`	`tumetom`	`[NI]Machine hm do you play alliance on EU server?`
`15:57.43`	`[NI]Machine`	`tumetom: nope, horde`
`15:57.44`	`sbu`	`[NI]Machine: uhm sorry, wasnt talking about PVP - its the same in mc/bwl ;)`
`15:57.58`	`sbu`	`and there it is numbers they have to watch (e.g. ktm)`
`15:58.26`	`Thrae`	`Of course, I'm sure there are a few players who can actually accurately count the number of times their tanks have missed, and their DPS and threat levels just in their head using the combat log. I highly respect them.`
`15:58.32`	`[NI]Machine`	`tumetom: horde 1 alliance oh i'd say 35 for me in alterac since the patch. i'll never reach exalted if i'm gonna have to buy new keyboards every other day`
`15:58.44`	`[NI]Machine`	`sbu: you're right ofcourse`
`15:58.50`	`tumetom`	`[NI]Machine`
`15:59.18`	`tumetom`	`lol )`
`15:59.55`	`sbu`	`Thrae: yah it is - and i think thats exactly what ktm does, its not showing 'tank missed 5 times' but some low aggro numbers - just a thing of interpretation :o`
`15:59.55`	`tumetom`	`ktm sw_stats... nice little helper... But addons schould support the player not play instead of him`
`16:00.05`	`tumetom`	`play==think :-P`
`16:00.17`	`[Epic]Gemski`	`i love sw >.>`
`16:00.46`	`[Epic]Gemski`	`i wish it recorded resist like recap did though`
`16:01.14`	`[Epic]Gemski`	`recap was how i convinced casters +hit gear was good :P`
`16:01.14`	`Thrae`	`However, I -am- opposed to mods like KTM for design reasons. I think KTM should not be "necessary", where the word "necessary" means "don't have to run BWL umpity-million times just to get the instance down". KTM makes the game more mechnical and predictable, which I hate.`
`16:01.16`	`sbu`	`mh, last week we made some fun about hunters and tranq-shot - perhaps there should be an addon that allows the raidleader to fire tranqshots for every hunter - then some things would be a lot easier ;o`
`16:01.55`	`Rophy`	`I agree KTM is bad, but blame Blizzard for letting us create such addon :\`
`16:02.10`	`[NI]Machine`	`sbu: yeah have some twelve-yearold raidleader controlling the entire raid. it's warcraft 3 all over again!`
`16:02.19`	`[NI]Machine`	`with reflexes like some kind of snake`
`16:02.22`	`Thrae`	`No, I blame Blizzard for making KTM necessary in the first place because of the way they design the dungeon.`
`16:02.52`	`[Epic]Gemski`	`o_O`
`16:03.09`	`[Epic]Gemski`	`i dunno...i think blizzard designs it so you'd have a feel for it after a few funs`
`16:03.16`	`[NI]Machine`	`I wish they'd get rid of powerful consumables and let raiders raid`
`16:03.25`	`[Epic]Gemski`	`yes...omg`
`16:03.35`	`[Epic]Gemski`	`we have to use sooo many consumables in naxx`
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`16:03.53`	`sbu`	`but the main problem with ktm is the lagging it causes (well - at least i suspect it so, as told already ;p)`
`16:04.10`	`sbu`	`and there has to be a way to optimize this`
`16:04.35`	`claviola`	`haha`
`16:04.41`	`sbu`	`because in some (most?) raids its impossible to get 30 ppl to just disable ktm - because they're too dumb ;o`
`16:04.48`	`claviola`	`well in a bunch of ways wow is almost like an RTS`
`16:05.20`	`Thrae`	`All dungeons should have NO "Last Bosses" which contain all the best loot. Instead, the loot should be -equally- split between multiple bosses as well as the time taken to get to each boss. So if BWL takes 5 hours altogether, then in the 1st hour you've gotten 1/5 of the best loot, etc.`
`16:05.22`	`sbu`	`[Epic]Gemski: uhm - you mean something like flask for 20/40 ppl? :p`
`16:05.37`	`[Epic]Gemski`	`sbu, yes. :(`
`16:05.53`	`[Epic]Gemski`	`and then all the shadow/nature protection pots`
`16:05.54`	`Thrae`	`A lot of the trouble comes from the length it takes to GET to each of the bosses, some mini-bosses which drop crap loot on the way that -must- be killed.`
`16:06.25`	`[Epic]Gemski`	`and the healers have it the worst (i'm a mage) they have to get oils, food, pots, etc.`
`16:06.48`	`sbu`	`hmm - most trouble in bwl come from vael (laggy in ~50% of encouters) and firemaw (as i said, some ppl too dumb ;p) :/`
`16:07.06`	`[Epic]Gemski`	`bwl is just laggy for some people`
`16:07.23`	`[Epic]Gemski`	`been that way since it came out`
`16:07.34`	`Thrae`	`Now, to stop people from farming these "equal last bosses", the quality of their loot would increase the more you kill of the total number of bosses. But even the 1st boss would have a chance to drop what the last boss would drop, albiet a very small chance.`
`16:07.46`	`sbu`	`we cant do bwl on thursday because of lags - mc is fine and any other day is also fine for bwl...`
`16:08.46`	`Thrae`	`Or maybe just a better solution would be to keep the things the way they are now and increase the amount of items in the loot table shared by all bosses in the instance, such that the stronger the boss, the more chance they have to drop better items in this shared loot table.`
`16:09.05`	`Thrae`	`Wipes need not be so devestating.`
`16:09.13`	`sbu`	`Thrae: hmm but some bosses are much easier than others - and they'd be farmed, so why clearing $someInstance when thers a faster way?`
`16:09.35`	`sbu`	`hmm ok, sounds better that way ;) (harder boss -> better loots)`
`16:09.49`	`Thrae`	`sbu: If you spend 1 hour getting to a boss that drops an uber item 5% of the time vs 5 hours to a boss that drops it 100% of the time`
`16:10.17`	`Thrae`	`The key is that the easy boss CAN drop uber loot, just rarely, this is usually NOT the case`
`16:10.55`	`Thrae`	`Of course, I'm only talking about raid bosses, ones that need to be killed with a full raid (or a full 20 with 20-man raids)`
`16:11.10`	`Thrae`	`Not something a skilled Rogue can farm :D`
`16:17.33`	`sbu`	`sigh but is there any way to optimize ktm? ;)`
`16:17.42`	`Mikma`	`yes`
`16:17.43`	`Mikma`	`rm -rf`
`16:18.08`	`sbu`	`command not found :/`
`16:18.12`	`Thrae`	`sbu: Add KTM's algorithmns into SWStats and make it use AceComm or at least ChatThrottleLib.`
`16:18.31`	`Thrae`	`Both mods need much better throttling.`
`16:20.04`	`sbu`	`simply make ktm use acecomm wouldnt help? ;)`
`16:20.45`	`Thrae`	`sbu: Except SWStats and KTM are basically syncing duplicate information most of the time.`
`16:21.16`	`Kebinusan`	`Hmm TekSupport says UIParent is the thing eating like 7kib resting`
`16:21.18`	`Thrae`	`KTM takes most of the data used by SWStats and applies its algorithmns to determine estimated threat.`
`16:21.35`	`Thrae`	`s/used/also used/`
`16:23.26`	`Kebinusan`	`Its a tool just like damage meters or bigwigs, its no substitute for l2p though`
`16:23.37`	`sbu`	`hmmm - but most ppl dont have swstats`
`16:24.11`	`Thrae`	`sbu: Really? Most of the guilds I know strongly recommend either SWStats or DamageMeters (more SWStats now)`
`16:24.33`	`sbu`	`hmm - well, i know for our ppl, its like 5 of 40 who got swstats`
`16:24.36`	`sbu`	`and 40/40 with ktm :/`
`16:24.49`	`Thrae`	`A lot require it just so they can sync with them, it's excellent information for the raid leader`
`16:25.05`	`Kebinusan`	`there are so few fights where threat actually matters`
`16:25.12`	`snurre`	`its a tool to actch slackers :p`
`16:25.16`	`Kebinusan`	`if your tank is doing his job you should never need ktm`
`16:25.19`	`snurre`	`Kebinusan: as alliance, at least`
`16:25.41`	`Kebinusan`	`ok, true enough :-)`
`16:25.46`	`snurre`	`threat is a big issue for horde`
`16:25.52`	`Thrae`	`sbu: Well the two mods could be made separate and just use the same data channel if both are found in the raid`
`16:27.05`	`snurre`	`someone please deuceify a merge of ktm and swstats`
`16:27.10`	`snurre`	`and ill love you long time`
`16:27.24`	`Kebinusan`	`heh`
`16:27.28`	`Kebinusan`	`is there really a need`
`16:27.35`	`sbu`	`snurre: ack ;p`
`16:27.42`	`sbu`	`yep, there is :o`
`16:29.23`	`sbu`	`well, ktm algo is already there, but it think its much work with all those OO stuff ;)`
`16:30.35`	`Kebinusan`	`the world doesnt need to be running ace, now those two using parserlib would probably be nice I suppose to avoid duplication of combat parsing`
`16:31.01`	`FtH\|eagle`	`why are many members of my guild now getting an error with: no translations registered?`
`16:31.11`	`FtH\|eagle`	`with the latest version of acelocale 2.0`
`16:31.14`	`Kebinusan`	`what mod?`
`16:31.20`	`Kebinusan`	`2.0 or 2.1?`
`16:31.58`	`FtH\|eagle`	`in bigwigs, xrs, everywhere`
`16:32.04`	`sbu`	`Kebinusan: well - the ktm code is kinda ugly :o`
`16:32.21`	`-FISKER_Q\	`i had an addon that resized the raidwarning frame`
`16:32.26`	`-FISKER_Q\	`anyone know which that could be?`
`16:32.51`	`sbu`	`ImprovedRWF?`
`16:32.55`	`Kebinusan`	`ammo went through and replaced L"blah" with L["Blah"]`
`16:33.24`	`FtH\|eagle`	`yeah I know, but that couldn't be the reason`
`16:33.29`	`Kebinusan`	`but I thought I updated and wasnt having problems, just a sec`
`16:33.31`	`FtH\|eagle`	`there is no difference between those two`
`16:34.28`	`-FISKER_Q\	`hmm`
`16:34.35`	`-FISKER_Q\	`i've never used ImprovedRWF`
`16:34.38`	`Kebinusan`	`last change to acelocale was Friday shrug`
`16:34.39`	`JoshBorke`	`i guess i missed out on the ParserLib discussion...`
`16:34.40`	`JoshBorke`	`oh well`
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`16:45.55`	`FtH\|eagle`	`yeah I know, but some of my members don't update every day`
`16:46.16`	`Thrae`	`"Today is August 28, 2056. Our nation, the United States of America, gets ready for yet another election. Based on last year's results, we expect the same low voter turnout, around 10%. On one side, we have the Republicans who support legalizing Sadism and Pedophilia, while on the other hand we the Democrats who just support reducing the age of consent down to 12."`
`16:46.26`	`Azurewrath`	`i would be happy if mine would update every week.. :/`
`16:46.26`	`snurre`	`[Ammo]: ora2 autopromoting doesn't work either :(`
`16:47.20`	`Kebinusan`	`heh thrae whats that from?`
`16:47.27`	`tumetom`	`http://www.curse-gaming.com/en/wow/addons-4983-1-classchannels.html --> nice!!!!`
`16:47.42`	`Thrae`	`Oh just something I thought of randomly`
`16:47.44`	`tumetom`	`aced version !!!! (should be easy with Acecomm)`
`16:48.52`	`Thrae`	`tumetom: AceComm and even ChatThrottleLib aren't necessary for Class Channels, as it sends and receives plain-text messages just like a channel`
`16:49.15`	`Thrae`	`AceComm serializes its data, which would just add unnecessary overhead`
`16:49.37`	`Thrae`	`I hate to say it, but there's really no reason to Ace ClassChannels except to piss-off AL =/`
`16:51.40`	`Azurewrath`	`[Ammo]: uh.. speaking of oRA2 autopromotion.. could you change it so that it autopromotes too when you get the L in the middle of a raid? :)`
`16:54.17`	`FtH\|eagle`	`could it be if you're loading translations with an old lib that they got lost with the new lib?`
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`16:57.20`	`[Epic]Gemski`	`can someone tell me which mods replace ctmailmod? i know there was a bulkmail addon`
`16:57.41`	`[Epic]Gemski`	`just needed a mod to gather all my mail in one click >.>`
`16:58.19`	`Thrae`	`[Epic]Gemski: AH_MailCollect on SVN`
`16:58.21`	`[NI]Machine`	`GMail`
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`16:58.48`	`[NI]Machine`	`GMail has the exact same mass mail from what I can see`
`16:59.00`	`[Epic]Gemski`	`ah thanks`
`16:59.15`	`[Epic]Gemski`	`and bulk mail sending is..."bulkmail"?`
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`17:01.51`	`[NI]Machine`	`I don't know, GMail works as a CT_MailMod replacement for me, I've never used any advanced functions in it so I can't say if they're 100% equal or not`
`17:01.54`	`[NI]Machine`	`Give it a whirl`
`17:05.59`	`Kebinusan`	`that classchannels mob is pretty cool`
`17:06.14`	`Kebinusan`	`I should really make a pack of required mods for raiding for my guild so I can sneak in gems like that`
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`17:06.31`	`Kebinusan`	`and make people actually run bigwigs :-/`
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`17:06.55`	`tumetom`	`Kebinusan I coded a classchannel mod month ago.... the problem is indeed that everybody!! has to use it`
`17:07.24`	`Kebinusan`	`Yeah`
`17:08.02`	`[Epic]Gemski`	`I had my guild using bigwigs`
`17:08.11`	`[Epic]Gemski`	`but after like 2 encounters where it bugged`
`17:08.16`	`[Epic]Gemski`	`they never gave it a chance again`
`17:08.27`	`[Epic]Gemski`	`now we have a huge mix`
`17:08.57`	`[Epic]Gemski`	`some people using various versions of ct's boss mods, about 13 with vendetta, and then a handful with rdx`
`17:09.00`	`[Epic]Gemski`	`its bad. >.>`
`17:09.15`	`packetlss`	`well CTRA bossmods are alot worse than any problem i've ever encountered i BW`
`17:09.34`	`[Epic]Gemski`	`well our mts and raidleader use vendetta`
`17:09.38`	`[Epic]Gemski`	`so i just use that`
`17:10.32`	`[Epic]Gemski`	`i think the problem was, we were using it for bleeding edge content`
`17:10.36`	`[Epic]Gemski`	`and they never considered that`
`17:11.43`	`[Epic]Gemski`	`when we first started naxx we had a druid who could make simple boss mods quickly`
`17:11.54`	`[Epic]Gemski`	`then he left the guild for schools`
`17:11.58`	`[Epic]Gemski`	`school*`
`17:12.54`	`tumetom`	`eventwatcher+ chateventmonitor`
`17:12.59`	`FtH\|eagle`	`ok, I think I really found the problem with acelocale 2.0. If you update every library it works. If you had some older version, there can be errors`
`17:13.05`	`tumetom`	`You can make very quick nice bossmods`
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`17:15.27`	`haste`	`60% of my guild uses BigWigs`
`17:15.29`	`haste`	`or more`
`17:15.33`	`CIA-11`	`03rophy * r9414 10FuBar_SpeedFu/SpeedFu.lua: FuBar_SpeedFu - Moved some initialzation codes into OnInitialize().`
`17:15.34`	`steino`	`more :)`
`17:15.44`	`haste`	`only 10 people with the latest tho' :p`
`17:15.49`	`steino`	`there is only a selected few that use ctra`
`17:16.01`	`haste`	`yes, every raid leader uses oRA ;)`
`17:16.12`	`haste`	`and the trials uses CTRA and maybe KLM`
`17:16.51`	`haste`	`steino: I'm playing with the SVN alpha of Wordpress`
`17:16.57`	`steino`	`haha`
`17:17.07`	`CIA-11`	`03thrae * r9415 10FuBar_GuildFu/FuBar_GuildFu.toc: FuBar_GuildFu -- clad's script zipped BagSlots instead of GuildFu, let's try again.`
`17:17.17`	`steino`	`im using the SVN alpha of audacius btw`
`17:17.20`	`Gngsk`	`bah, I tried to buy a new computer and my credit card company declined it! drove all the way home, called them and they just wanted to verify it was really me ><`
`17:17.51`	`haste`	`steino: at least that one works when you set it up :p`
`17:17.56`	`steino`	`ye`
`17:18.03`	`steino`	`it had all the input plugins too`
`17:18.04`	`steino`	`<3`
`17:18.29`	`haste`	`does it still lockup when you load 4000 songs?`
`17:18.49`	`steino`	`dunno`
`17:18.50`	`haste`	`I'm using bmpx atm - when it works`
`17:18.51`	`steino`	`havent tried :P`
`17:19.10`	`haste`	`usually abuse the laptop to play`
`17:19.27`	`-FISKER_Q\	`does raidassist implent some auto-marking stuff in the newest?`
`17:19.41`	`-FISKER_Q\	`version*`
`17:20.07`	`haste`	`Wonder if I can implent textile into wordpress`
`17:20.10`	`haste`	`that would be win`
`17:21.44`	`Tain`	`And thus begins another new apartment hunt.`
`17:23.16`	`JoshBorke`	`Tain: :-(`
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`17:25.27`	`Tain`	`Sad part is it's getting almost impossible to find a 1 bedroom apartment in this area for under $800 a month.`
`17:26.11`	`Kebinusan`	`Id really like a targeting mod that allowed you to pick your icon, then put it on whatever you had targeted provided said target didnt already have an icon`
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`17:48.29`	`Iceroth`	`Kebinusan, paintball?`
`17:48.38`	`Kebinusan`	`does it do that?`
`17:48.50`	`Kebinusan`	`I only played with it once for the mouseover thing`
`17:48.51`	`Iceroth`	`i haven't used it too much but it has some kind of auto-marking`
`17:49.29`	`Kebinusan`	`hmm I'll take a look`
`17:49.29`	`Iceroth`	`and yea, i use it mainly for auto-targeting too`
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`17:49.31`	`oxman`	`Kyahx what's the name of addon to debug chat_addon mesg ?`
`17:49.48`	`oxman`	`viewaddonmessage`
`17:49.49`	`oxman`	`ok`
`17:49.49`	`oxman`	`;)`
`17:56.28`	`Kyahx`	`oxman: Just beware that mods useing AceComm aren't human readable :P`
`17:56.50`	`Kyahx`	`but you can atleast see that something is going back and forth`
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`17:59.55`	`Kebinusan`	`acecomm encrypts messages so it can send spyware information back to people who know the key`
`18:01.15`	`Kebinusan`	`I shouldnt be trying to start evil rumors`
`18:02.33`	`Tuplad`	`Mikma: add stickybars back :<`
`18:02.43`	`Tuplad`	`Mikma: and the thing to move quest watcher`
`18:03.42`	`Mikma`	`Tuplad: you're more than welcome to do it by yourself :)`
`18:04.50`	`vhaarr`	`Kebinusan: Hey, got a chance to test TArrows yet?`
`18:06.26`	`Kebinusan`	`I havent no, but a couple other people have and aside from a sync token issue it seems to work peachy`
`18:08.23`	`vhaarr`	`Sync token issue?`
`18:08.25`	`vhaarr`	`ah`
`18:08.50`	`Kebinusan`	`yea, I didnt have a sync token set so the on mouseover enable was messed up`
`18:08.56`	`vhaarr`	`You should just set a sync token.`
`18:09.00`	`Kebinusan`	`I did`
`18:09.03`	`Kebinusan`	`heh`
`18:09.10`	`Kebinusan`	`after that was reported`
`18:09.12`	`vhaarr`	`ah, excellent`
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`18:10.40`	`yacoob`	`Thrae: you here?`
`18:11.34`	`Tuplad`	`MikmaTuplad: you're more than welcome to do it by yourself >_>`
`18:12.45`	`Kebinusan`	`http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/burningcrusade/townhall/talents-and-spells.html`
`18:13.02`	`hyperChipmunk`	`niiiice`
`18:13.11`	`hyperChipmunk`	`wait, wtf`
`18:13.14`	`hyperChipmunk`	`still no hunter =\`
`18:16.40`	`Mikma`	`hmm`
`18:16.53`	`Mikma`	`for some reason i don't see MT frames :P`
`18:16.57`	`Mikma`	`i had to set them by myself`
`18:17.15`	`-FISKER_Q\	`is the auto-raid-icon stuff a new feature in CT_RA?`
`18:17.32`	`Mikma`	`define`
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`18:19.02`	`Thrae`	`~seen maia`
`18:19.16`	`purl`	`maia <n=maia@chello084112137081.14.11.vie.surfer.at> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 1d 21h 44m 2s ago, saying: 'okay.'.`
`18:32.09`	`oxman`	`Kyahx you need improve viewaddonmessage ;)`
`18:32.20`	`Kyahx`	`I wrote it in 3 minutes :P`
`18:32.25`	`yacoob`	`Thrae: did you made your visorbuttons switch upon events? (like, stance/shapeshift?) If that so, did you write the event catcher/handler yourself or is there something I'm missing in Visor's docs? :)`
`18:32.25`	`Kyahx`	`to fix oRA / CTRA`
`18:32.26`	`oxman`	`set on/off, choos which message (according to prefix)`
`18:32.38`	`oxman`	`and put the mssage in the chat_frame :)`
`18:32.46`	`oxman`	`Kyahx then 7 more minutes to do that ;)`
`18:32.55`	`Kyahx`	`shrug`
`18:33.04`	`oxman`	`kis`
`18:33.06`	`Kyahx`	`as soon as it dosen't do what I need, I'll update it`
`18:33.07`	`oxman`	`thanks i love you`
`18:33.07`	`oxman`	`;)`
`18:33.14`	`Kyahx`	`for now its good :P`
`18:33.18`	`oxman`	`:P`
`18:33.25`	`oxman`	`hum wait, are you from us ?`
`18:33.57`	`oxman`	`hum .net i can't guess :)`
`18:34.55`	`oxman`	`because i need 1/2$`
`18:35.08`	`oxman`	`(coin to do special trick : i'm magician)`
`18:35.22`	`oxman`	`and the magic shop sell 1/2$ 3$`
`18:35.26`	`oxman`	`yep yep, 1/2$ 3$ :D`
`18:35.37`	`oxman`	`in fact 3euro, but 3euro = 3$`
`18:35.38`	`oxman`	`:)`
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`18:37.18`	`vhaarr`	`[Ammo]: Why did you change the repeating events in C'thun to nonrepeating when you fixed the timers for 1.12?`
`18:37.32`	`vhaarr`	`[Ammo]: I'm getting some reports that the dark glare timer is ~5sec wrong now.`
`18:40.48`	`CIA-11`	`03rabbit * r9416 10Transcriptor/Transcriptor.toc: Transcriptor: TOC 1.12 update to get it auto-ZIP'ed.`
`18:43.16`	`[Ammo]`	`vhaarr: because the pull got changed`
`18:43.25`	`[Ammo]`	`vhaarr: and the repeater will start itself anyway`
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`18:43.28`	`Kebinusan`	`bleh`
`18:43.31`	`[Ammo]`	`I changed the times alongside the start events`
`18:43.35`	`Kebinusan`	`~whaletubes Kebinusan`
`18:43.37`	`purl`	`ACTION stuffs an incredibly flexible whale named Theodore into Kebinusan's tubes. Kebinusan's internets no worky :(`
`18:43.37`	`[Ammo]`	`probably the timing is still off`
`18:43.42`	`Kebinusan`	`~whalelottery`
`18:43.45`	`vhaarr`	`[Ammo]: right, but it seems the Dark Glare timer is off now.`
`18:43.54`	`Kebinusan`	`~whalelotto`
`18:43.56`	`vhaarr`	`[Ammo]: I'm not in the raid, but I asked them to confirm it now.`
`18:43.59`	`[Ammo]`	`it was way off`
`18:44.01`	`Kebinusan`	`meh anyway`
`18:44.16`	`[Ammo]`	`and it shouldn't be more off than it was before`
`18:44.19`	`[Ammo]`	`but I'll check my code`
`18:44.43`	`[Ammo]`	`and the repeating/nonrepeating has nothing to do with that`
`18:44.45`	`Kebinusan`	`affliction looks damn sexy I cant imagine what dos will be ticking for with all these stacking talents`
`18:46.17`	`[Ammo]`	`vhaarr: are the tentacletimers correct ?`
`18:46.21`	`[Ammo]`	`or just the dark glare wrong?`
`18:46.27`	`vhaarr`	`just the dark glare, apparently`
`18:46.38`	`[Ammo]`	`weird`
`18:46.38`	`CIA-11`	`03phyber * r9417 10FuBar_MoneyFu/ (MoneyFu.lua MoneyFuLocals.lua):`
`18:46.38`	`CIA-11`	`MoneyFu:`
`18:46.38`	`CIA-11`	`- As requested by Cairenn, I present to you: The simplified tooltip option.`
`18:46.38`	`CIA-11`	`- Simplified tooltip shows only the total amount of cash on each of your characters, other stats are hidden.`
`18:46.49`	`[Ammo]`	`because glare and tentacles are on the same timer`
`18:46.57`	`vhaarr`	`indeed`
`18:47.00`	`[Ammo]`	`so blizzard changed the encounter?`
`18:47.06`	`[Ammo]`	`along with their hotfix?`
`18:47.10`	`vhaarr`	`[Ammo]: Well they are wiping now because the server has incredible lagspikes.`
`18:47.10`	`[Ammo]`	`I need a transcript :)`
`18:47.17`	`vhaarr`	`[Ammo]: But I told them to check.`
`18:47.20`	`[Ammo]`	`k`
`18:47.27`	`phyber`	`anyone know the German for "Simplified Tooltip" ?`
`18:47.39`	`phyber`	`need it for MoneyFu translation.`
`18:47.58`	`[Ammo]`	`ask FtH\|Eagle`
`18:48.05`	`Mikma`	`[Ammo]: i love the mt layout in ora2 :)`
`18:48.09`	`FtH\|eagle`	`what?`
`18:48.13`	`Mikma`	`it has all the info i need on default`
`18:48.20`	`vhaarr`	`[Ammo]: Noone wants to install Transcriptor now because apparently the login server is acting up, so relogging could potentially keep them out of the game for 30min.`
`18:48.28`	`[Ammo]`	`vhaarr: damn`
`18:48.30`	`Mikma`	`MT life + target life`
`18:48.39`	`[Ammo]`	`I changed the default a bit today though :p`
`18:48.44`	`[Ammo]`	`shows tot as well per default now`
`18:48.48`	`[Ammo]`	`and raidicon`
`18:48.50`	`Mikma`	`[Ammo]: yeah :D`
`18:48.53`	`[Ammo]`	`but shrug`
`18:48.58`	`Mikma`	`i disabled it when i noticed it but it's COOL`
`18:48.59`	`[Ammo]`	`the layout is still a test layout :)`
`18:49.06`	`Mikma`	`meh`
`18:49.10`	`phyber`	`FtH\|eagle: what's the German for "Simplified Tooltip" ?`
`18:49.19`	`Mikma`	`i like it as much as my ora1 style (Mikma, check it out ;)`
`18:49.21`	`FtH\|eagle`	`"Vereinfachtes Tooltip"`
`18:49.42`	`hyperChipmunk`	`Simplifiedden Tooltippen`
`18:50.00`	`[Epic]Gemski`	`you all see the new BC talent calculators? so much mage love.`
`18:50.08`	`phyber`	`FtH\|eagle: thanks :)`
`18:50.22`	`FtH\|eagle`	`np`
`18:50.34`	`phyber`	`hC, hehe :)`
`18:50.47`	`yacoob`	`in tekSupport, with EventHandlers, what is mem column? Memory used by a frame? http://fretsonfire.amvpl.net`
`18:51.00`	`hyperChipmunk`	`you can at least understand MY German`
`18:51.00`	`yacoob`	`ugh, pardon for url.`
`18:52.24`	`Kebinusan`	`10% from Imp Agony, 10% from Shadow Mastery, 15% from Contaigon, +2 ticks from Lasting afflictions... thats just gonna be insane`
`18:52.50`	`CIA-11`	`03phyber * r9418 10FuBar_MoneyFu/MoneyFuLocals.lua:`
`18:52.51`	`CIA-11`	`MoneyFu:`
`18:52.51`	`CIA-11`	`- Updated German translation of 'Simplified Tooltip'`
`18:53.10`	`Kebinusan`	`so many juicy looking talents in BC, cant wait`
`18:53.51`	`hyperChipmunk`	`hunters apparently get nothing`
`18:53.54`	`Iceroth`	`nor druids >.<`
`18:54.59`	`tigg`	`hunters dont need :)`
`18:55.22`	`tigg`	`we can rock BC as well :)`
`18:57.52`	`[Ammo]`	`piratespeak, best fun addon ever`
`18:58.01`	`tigg`	`lol, yes`
`18:58.11`	`[Ammo]`	`arr! shiver me timbers!`
`18:58.20`	`Mikma`	`shave me`
`18:58.54`	`Mikma`	`[Ammo]: any idea why i don't see MT frames? :)`
`18:58.56`	`yacoob`	`Hm. How come FRIENDLIST_UPDATE fires without any apparent reason? (just standing idly)`
`18:59.21`	`Mikma`	`someone logged in and out?`
`18:59.40`	`yacoob`	`funnily enough, no.`
`19:03.12`	`yacoob`	`Right, found the culprit.`
`19:03.33`	`MentalPower`	`what was it?`
`19:04.24`	`vhaarr`	`[Ammo]: Apparently the first and second dark glare timers are off, but the 3rd is fine.`
`19:04.52`	`yacoob`	`MentalPower: a plugin for Chatr, which actively checks your guild and friends list.`
`19:08.09`	`tigg`	`hmm, has anybody seen onyxia fear warning in phase 3 working?`
`19:08.52`	`CIA-11`	`03joshborke * r9419 10HealWatch/ (HealWatchComs.lua HealWatchEvents.lua): HealWatch: fixed the coms stuff, I'm dumb...`
`19:09.59`	`tigg`	`seems it doesnt work for me at least..`
`19:12.49`	`wereHamster`	`joshborke, does HealWatch use AceComm?`
`19:12.57`	`CIA-11`	`03joshborke * r9420 10HealWatch/HealWatchComs.lua: HealWatch: fixed the coms stuff, no really, i did...`
`19:13.01`	`JoshBorke`	`wereHamster: no`
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`19:13.49`	`[Ammo]`	`vhaar: and tentacles?`
`19:15.15`	`ckknight`	`JoshBorke, how come?`
`19:15.33`	`wereHamster`	`he doesn't like it ;)`
`19:15.41`	`JoshBorke`	`ckknight: didn't feel the need for it. i'm still using ChatThrottleLib so that I play nicely`
`19:15.52`	`ckknight`	`fair enough`
`19:16.35`	`JoshBorke`	`i have no serialization of data or anything complex`
`19:16.57`	`yacoob`	`Heh. Mem increase is now 4-7KBpsec., instead of 17-30 :D. Die, ChanBuddy :D`
`19:16.57`	`CIA-11`	`03rabbit * r9421 10BigWigs/Version.lua: BigWigs: Version: I'm not a fan of CamelCase variable naming, use camelCase.`
`19:17.04`	`ckknight`	`I bet you could if you believed in yourself`
`19:17.12`	`JoshBorke`	`lol`
`19:17.31`	`JoshBorke`	`i should think about what happens when you're drunk though, but slouken took care of that, no?`
`19:17.53`	`ckknight`	`hrm?`
`19:19.13`	`JoshBorke`	`drunken does not affect SendAddonMessage, correct?`
`19:19.24`	`Thrae`	`JoshBorke: Correct.`
`19:19.36`	`JoshBorke`	`ko`
`19:19.37`	`Thrae`	`JoshBorke: Anyway, aren't you using AceComm?`
`19:19.43`	`JoshBorke`	`Thrae: lol, no`
`19:20.10`	`JoshBorke`	`i'm like, skirting on the edge of converting to Ace`
`19:20.32`	`CIA-11`	`03rabbit * r9422 10BigWigs/Version.lua: BigWigs: Version: Remove "." from tablet title.`
`19:20.55`	`phyber`	`so, uhh, what happens on Vael when he says "Nefarian's hate has made me stringer than ever before!"`
`19:21.05`	`phyber`	`he seems to start ignoring the tanks and came over to the CPS groups :p`
`19:21.06`	`phyber`	`DPS`
`19:21.29`	`phyber`	`oh, the tanks just sucked :p`
`19:23.29`	`CIA-11`	`03phyber * r9423 10oRA/oRA_CoreLocals.lua:`
`19:23.29`	`CIA-11`	`oRA:`
`19:23.29`	`CIA-11`	`- Upgraded RAVersion to 1.541, I wish my guild would stop nagging about pointless shit like that.`
`19:24.36`	`phyber`	`[Ammo]: is oRA2 usable yet?`
`19:24.43`	`Mikma`	`yes`
`19:24.46`	`Tuplad`	`yes`
`19:24.49`	`Mikma`	`i'm using it`
`19:24.53`	`Mikma`	`take it from branches`
`19:25.13`	`Azurewrath`	`phyber: we believe it to be the point where you can't pull aggro anymore.. so everyone who gets BA after that.. bomb everything you got :)`
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`19:26.55`	`yacoob`	`it looks like chatmod is another one to shot. Too bad I see nothing to replace it.`
`19:27.21`	`Thrae`	`What does ChatMod do?`
`19:27.46`	`gnorlish`	`minimalist does some of the things chatmod did`
`19:28.15`	`Kebinusan`	`minimalist, teknickcolor`
`19:28.19`	`Kebinusan`	`confab`
`19:28.25`	`yacoob`	`A couple of things. Most important: editbox at top (can visor it), channel names shortening, cli history, cli editing (cursor movement without alt+arrow), sticky channel`
`19:28.50`	`yacoob`	`timetamps, mousescrolling`
`19:28.56`	`yacoob`	`timestamps, that is.`
`19:29.12`	`yacoob`	`nick/minimap pin coloring is just icing on cake`
`19:30.08`	`tigg`	`hmm, editbox on top... id can do it I think`
`19:32.14`	`Kebinusan`	`I actually like confab as it lets you undock the edit box and resize it`
`19:32.20`	`Kebinusan`	`only mod Ive found that really lets you do that`
`19:32.48`	`yacoob`	`Kebinusan: visor should be able to do it, no?`
`19:32.56`	`hyperChipmunk`	`VisorEditBox`
`19:34.21`	`yacoob`	`hm, redir should be changed on / of svn.wowace.com`
`19:35.44`	`yacoob`	`topchat looks small and clean`
`19:37.22`	`yacoob`	`teknickolor works only for raid?`
`19:37.49`	`[Ammo]`	`teknicolor works for a lot of things`
`19:37.57`	`[Ammo]`	`it colors just about everynoe I moused over that session I think`
`19:37.59`	`[Ammo]`	`or targetted`
`19:38.34`	`vhaarr`	`[Ammo]: I'm fixing up Version querying now, btw.`
`19:39.00`	`vhaarr`	`[Ammo]: But I can't remember what should happen if the queree is not in a raid zone, hm .. I know I had that hammered down.`
`19:39.44`	`phyber`	`those MT frames in oRA2 are quite nice.`
`19:40.50`	`tigg`	`mhh, maybe I shoult give oRA2 a try...`
`19:41.13`	`tigg`	`[Ammo]: your branch is safe to use?`
`19:46.14`	`Tuplad`	`yacoob: I told you to try idChat* mods, why didnt you ?`
`19:46.23`	`Tuplad`	`yacoob: It replaces CrapBox :)`
`19:46.33`	`Tuplad`	`yacoob: With teknicolor`
`19:48.56`	`phyber`	`"Forgive me, friend. Your death only adds to my failure!"`
`19:49.12`	`phyber`	`I got a 4.2k shadow bolt crit on him before I exploded :p`
`19:50.17`	`Azurewrath`	`phyber: wait unti the drakoids if you haven't seen them ;)`
`19:50.17`	`Azurewrath`	`11k Frostbolt crit ftw`
`19:51.12`	`Tuplad`	`:O`
`19:53.08`	`*** join/#wowace [NI]Machine (n=tyop@c-d6bce253.016-112-73766c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se)`
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`19:54.08`	`Kebinusan`	`My record is a 12.5k shadowbolt on chromaggus`
`19:54.27`	`grumpey`	`eya ./`
`19:54.28`	`yacoob`	`Tuplad: it's queued :)`
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`19:57.11`	`vhaarr`	`FryGuy: I think you added some debug stuff to Horsemen.`
`19:59.22`	`-FISKER_Q\	`anyone know about CT_Raidtracker modified?`
`19:59.30`	`-FISKER_Q\	`the one with support for dkp string in eqdkp`
`20:01.04`	`-FISKER_Q\	`nevermind :P`
`20:01.29`	`-FISKER_Q\	`is there any ace'd addon like ct_raidtracker modified?`
`20:02.42`	`snurre`	`dont think so`
`20:05.33`	`[NI]Machine`	`Ooh, blizzard has made 60+ skills and talents official`
`20:05.42`	`[NI]Machine`	`I missed that`
`20:06.12`	`yacoob`	`Tuplad: heh, id* mods have very little description :)`
`20:08.37`	`FryGuy`	`damnit did i do it again?`
`20:09.22`	`yacoob`	`but I do like the modularity.`
`20:09.50`	`tumetom`	`teknicolor only works good for english clients`
`20:10.17`	`yacoob`	`there should be idDefaultChatTab as well :)`
`20:11.27`	`FryGuy`	`oh ya you're right.. debug stuffs :(`
`20:13.15`	`vhaarr`	`:)`
`20:13.21`	`Tuplad`	`yacoobTuplad: heh, id* mods have very little description`
`20:13.24`	`Tuplad`	`yacoob: l2wowace`
`20:13.32`	`Tuplad`	`yacoob: check id's sig on forums`
`20:13.38`	`yacoob`	`should do.`
`20:14.31`	`FryGuy`	`was trying to get it to announce who the void zone is on :p`
`20:15.30`	`Makk`	`haste: Hmmm`
`20:15.40`	`Makk`	`oCD bars seem to scale like the BW bars doo`
`20:15.41`	`Makk`	`*do`
`20:15.51`	`Makk`	`a bit randomly`
`20:15.53`	`Makk`	`strange`
`20:16.10`	`yacoob`	`is otravi casting bar stable?`
`20:16.29`	`Makk`	`es`
`20:16.33`	`Makk`	`yes`
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`20:23.39`	`CIA-11`	`03phyber * r9424 10FuBar_TopScoreFu/TopScoreFuLocals.lua:`
`20:23.40`	`CIA-11`	`TopScoreFu:`
`20:23.40`	`CIA-11`	`- Added French translation, thanks Lantares.`
`20:24.04`	`-FISKER_Q\	`L M A O`
`20:24.12`	`-FISKER_Q\	`4xShadow Interlaced Jerkin's just dropped`
`20:24.18`	`-FISKER_Q\	`most fucked up shit ever :D`
`20:24.30`	`kergoth`	`hahah`
`20:24.50`	`snurre`	`we've gotten identical loot from cthun 3 weeks in a row :(`
`20:24.52`	`-FISKER_Q\	`we took a 3 pack of the dragons, then we got one down(it dropped) then we wiped`
`20:25.03`	`-FISKER_Q\	`then we retried it and the same mob dropped it again`
`20:25.07`	`-FISKER_Q\	`then we died again`
`20:25.14`	`-FISKER_Q\	`then the same mob plus another one dropped it on the next pull`
`20:25.40`	`-FISKER_Q\	`(died because of lag btw :P)`
`20:26.05`	`yacoob`	`Tuplad: well, thanks for the id*s. Small and do what they're asked of.`
`20:26.15`	`yacoob`	`(I'll just tweak them a bit to my taste)`
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`20:29.29`	`MentalPower`	`Wohoo! just made NetStatsFu do my bidding!`
`20:30.55`	`CIA-11`	`03rabbit * r9425 10BigWigs/Version.lua: BigWigs: Version: Now only reports revisions for the zone you are in. Added a hint to the tablet.`
`20:31.14`	`vhaarr`	`[Ammo]: It's not backwards-compatible, but it shouldn't crash when getting a reply from an older version, I think.`
`20:31.16`	`vhaarr`	`brb`
`20:32.52`	`FryGuy`	`does it do them for individual bosses>`
`20:33.01`	`Mikma`	`hmm, Vael down`
`20:33.07`	`Kyahx`	`garts2u`
`20:33.23`	`Mikma`	`danke`
`20:33.29`	`Mikma`	`this guilds first vael hehe`
`20:40.02`	`yacoob`	`WTB: DrunkenCommands, tabcompletion for /commands :)`
`20:40.14`	`yacoob`	`Martini and lua doesn't go well together.`
`20:40.19`	`Kyahx`	`dosent AceTab already do that?`
`20:40.33`	`Kyahx`	`I can /da<tab> for dance and such...so something is already doing it`
`20:41.35`	`vhaarr`	`FryGuy: No, it does it per zone.`
`20:41.42`	`Mikma`	`http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php/topic,2001.new/boardseen.html#new`
`20:41.44`	`Mikma`	`muahahahaa`
`20:44.45`	`snurre`	`geez that was dodgy`
`20:44.52`	`ven`	`Kyahx: I think wow does that`
`20:44.54`	`snurre`	`last kite on anub'rekhan and i got 3 scarabs on me`
`20:45.02`	`snurre`	`had to fear and run like a bitch`
`20:47.37`	`vhaarr`	`ckknight: Tablet doesn't do column sorting, right?`
`20:47.42`	`yacoob`	`oCB doesn't have mirror bar?`
`20:48.42`	`vhaarr`	`right`
`20:48.44`	`CIA-11`	`03thrae * r9426 10VitalWatch/ (4 files in 2 dirs): VitalWatch -- Completed aggro code, just need to test. Now uses RosterLib and ParserLib.`
`20:48.52`	`yacoob`	`too bad then...`
`20:48.55`	`vhaarr`	`grepping for sort only gives me a debug result`
`20:49.00`	`vhaarr`	`yacoob: I didn't answer you.`
`20:49.07`	`yacoob`	`ah :)`
`20:49.59`	`MentalPower`	`ok, enough with the playing with FuBar, back to Itemizer`
`20:50.54`	`vhaarr`	`FryGuy: Care to fix the debug stuff in Horsemen?`
`20:51.07`	`vhaarr`	`FryGuy: http://www.wowace.com/flyspray/?do=details&id=251`
`20:53.23`	`CIA-11`	`03fryguy * r9427 10BigWigs/Naxxramas/Horsemen.lua: BigWigs: remove debug stuffs in 4H`
`20:53.43`	`vhaarr`	`thanks`
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`20:59.12`	`-FISKER_Q\	`i hate timelapse`
`20:59.29`	`-FISKER_Q\	`not because it's hard but damn boring and annoying :(`
`21:01.06`	`tumetom`	`yacoob what is a "Mirrorbar"`
`21:01.09`	`tumetom`	`?`
`21:01.38`	`yacoob`	`tumetom: breath, fatigue, feign death. And it doesn't support it - yet.`
`21:01.41`	`yacoob`	`I'll wait :)`
`21:02.34`	`tumetom`	`options are already there`
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`21:02.53`	`Kyahx`	`its in oCB2`
`21:02.59`	`tumetom`	`^^`
`21:03.02`	`Kyahx`	`oCB1 doesn't support the mirror bat`
`21:03.04`	`Kyahx`	`bar*`
`21:03.26`	`Kyahx`	`oCB2 is also not in the trunk yet :) becuase its not 'done'`
`21:04.17`	`tumetom`	`ocb2 works absolut fine`
`21:05.50`	`yacoob`	`if it's not in trunk, then there's no way for me to get it :)`
`21:06.03`	`yacoob`	`tumetom: can you somehow make it available to me? :)`
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`21:11.33`	`Tek`	`erf`
`21:13.46`	`JoshBorke`	`fre`
`21:16.57`	`wereHamster`	`is there somewhere a pattern-event mapping where I could lookup which event generates a certain pattern (like SPELLCASTOTHERSTART) ?`
`21:17.30`	`Mikk`	`no`
`21:17.48`	`wereHamster`	`not even in parserlib?`
`21:17.55`	`Mikk`	`oh... those i know nothing about`
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`21:18.09`	`wereHamster`	`I am interested in certain patterns, not events ..`
`21:18.17`	`Elkano`	`best you get could be: http://www.wowwiki.com/Patterns_fired_from_each_CHAT_MSG_events`
`21:18.23`	`JoshBorke`	`yea, what Elkano said`
`21:18.56`	`Mikk`	`wereHamster: Beware that some global strings are the same. You don't know which one is actually being used until you change the global strings (from in-game) and wait for the event to occur`
`21:19.05`	`Mikk`	`(Yes, the game engine actually uses the lua strings live!)`
`21:19.55`	`wereHamster`	`I don't understand`
`21:20.54`	`JoshBorke`	`it's like this:`
`21:20.56`	`JoshBorke`	`1 2 3 4 5`
`21:20.58`	`JoshBorke`	`rogue rogue`
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`21:22.18`	`wereHamster`	`I'm trying to write a combatlog scanner for my HealSync addon`
`21:22.18`	`-FISKER_Q\	`nice graff`
`21:22.50`	`wereHamster`	`but without having to localize the spell names, eg. wait for HEALEDOTHEROTHER and get the spell name from the combatlog message`
`21:23.21`	`Thrae`	`wereHamster: Take a look at ParserLib, it can already do that, for all locales.`
`21:23.23`	`JoshBorke`	`HORDE ONLY PALADIN SPELL?!`
`21:23.56`	`hyperChipmunk`	`there's equivs`
`21:24.02`	`hyperChipmunk`	`there's an alliance only one too`
`21:24.06`	`JoshBorke`	`yea, i like the alliance one better`
`21:24.17`	`hyperChipmunk`	`same thing with bloodlust/heroism`
`21:24.17`	`vhaarr`	`ckknight: Is there any way to give the AceConsole text type a default value when you want it to act as a execute type (get = false) ?`
`21:24.25`	`hyperChipmunk`	`but those are the same, just named diff`
`21:25.51`	`JoshBorke`	`WOW`
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`21:53.21`	`*** topic/#wowace is wowace.com \| http://ace.pastey.net/ \| http://www.lua.org/pil \| Ace 2.0.3768 \| http://www.wowace.com/flyspray/ \| http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php/topic,1980.0.html <-Read Here for SVN Changes`
`21:53.25`	`FtH\|eagle`	`there seems to be a problem with old libs and new ones`
`21:53.32`	`yacoob`	`wait, shouldn't there be only one instance of it in the memory anyway?`
`21:53.50`	`FtH\|eagle`	`there is`
`21:54.11`	`FtH\|eagle`	`only one, but it has something to do with acelocale, I tested it`
`21:54.21`	`yacoob`	`so, isn't it enough to upgrade only ONE acelocale?`
`21:54.41`	`FtH\|eagle`	`the first that would be loaded`
`21:55.50`	`yacoob`	`well, I have 2 versions scattered. Revision 7611 and 9151`
`21:56.03`	`FtH\|eagle`	`and that's the problem`
`21:56.21`	`yacoob`	`FtH\|eagle: but I don't get it, shouldn't 7611 be purged from memory automatically?`
`21:56.52`	`FtH\|eagle`	`yeah, that's the way embedded libraries are working`
`21:56.59`	`vhaarr`	`There used to be a problem with that.`
`21:57.08`	`vhaarr`	`It was fixed after 7611, probably.`
`21:57.24`	`yacoob`	`vhaarr: with purging?`
`21:57.29`	`vhaarr`	`yes`
`21:57.50`	`vhaarr`	`Remember that Ace2 is not yet released, so there are still bugs.`
`21:58.06`	`vhaarr`	`or wait`
`21:58.11`	`vhaarr`	`Is it released now? :)`
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`21:58.39`	`FtH\|eagle`	`dunno`
`21:59.42`	`vhaarr`	`Man, the SVN revision just keeps going.`
`22:00.15`	`Jagobah`	`hmm did coalado post his IIK_FeignTrap to wowinterface?`
`22:02.10`	`vhaarr`	`[Ammo]: Anyway, does the C'thun thing make sense? That the first and second Dark Glare timers are off, but not the 3rd and more?`
`22:03.37`	`yacoob`	`Whoa. Removed all 7611 versions and nuked my fubar. :)`
`22:03.57`	`yacoob`	`Let's use !!!Libraries`
`22:04.27`	`vhaarr`	`Why?`
`22:05.19`	`Jagobah`	`(05:21:20AM) <CIA-11> coalado * r9377 IIK_FeignTrap/ (. IIK_FeignTrap.toc Libs/ core.lua):`
`22:05.19`	`Jagobah`	`(05:21:20AM) <CIA-11> IIK_FeignTrap - A Mod to make Hunters life easier. Double/Multiclick on your "OutOfCombat" Actions will`
`22:05.19`	`Jagobah`	`(05:21:20AM) <CIA-11> 1. Call your Pet (passive)`
`22:05.19`	`Jagobah`	`(05:21:20AM) <CIA-11> 2. Feign death`
`22:05.19`	`Jagobah`	`(05:21:20AM) <CIA-11> 3. call your desired action (Traps, drinking, etc. )`
`22:05.22`	`vhaarr`	`yacoob: All the Ace2 addons come packed with externals.`
`22:06.12`	`Thrae`	`vhaarr: Ace2 IS released.`
`22:06.27`	`vhaarr`	`Ah :)`
`22:06.39`	`FtH\|eagle`	`then that's a major bug :P`
`22:06.46`	`vhaarr`	`Since when? I don't see a release post in the Ace2 forum.`
`22:07.03`	`Thrae`	`Used to be in topic`
`22:07.06`	`vhaarr`	`"Ace 2.0.4885 RC2 [Released - 07/14/06]"`
`22:07.10`	`vhaarr`	`is the latest one`
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`22:12.43`	`CIA-11`	`03lordrhys * r9429 10FuBar_FactionItemsFu/ (FactionItemsFu.lua FuBar_FactionItemsFu.toc): update Category in toc`
`22:13.36`	`yacoob`	`Argh.`
`22:14.06`	`yacoob`	`Is there a way to disable text shadow in agUF? Don't see an option in the config menu...`
`22:15.09`	`CIA-11`	`03tekkub * r9430 10PerfectTargets/Core.lua:`
`22:15.09`	`CIA-11`	`PerfectTargets`
`22:15.09`	`CIA-11`	`- Tweaks to how updates are handled`
`22:16.27`	`yacoob`	`And the transparency... geh, I'll give it some more time :)`
`22:16.29`	`FryGuy`	`uh`
`22:16.34`	`FryGuy`	`that /slap is wierd`
`22:16.35`	`FryGuy`	`anyway`
`22:16.47`	`KaeltenAway`	`Gamefaq: why is enUS not being registered?`
`22:16.57`	`KaeltenAway`	`Gamefaq: and aren't you on a German client?`
`22:16.59`	`FryGuy`	`does that cache the self.db.profile.updaterate var so it doesn't need to get it from the profile thingy every update?`
`22:17.17`	`Tek`	`I changed shit fry`
`22:17.19`	`Gamefaq`	`iam on german client`
`22:17.25`	`FryGuy`	`:\`
`22:17.27`	`Tek`	`and why should it cache that?`
`22:17.40`	`FryGuy`	`i saw some other addon that did and said it increased performance`
`22:17.56`	`Tek`	`table accesses are quite fast, and self is local`
`22:18.02`	`Gamefaq`	`keal wait i post you the bugsack logs`
`22:18.22`	`KaeltenAway`	`no wait a second`
`22:18.54`	`FryGuy`	`hopefully it fixes it where it randomly starts taking all my cpu after using it for a while`
`22:19.16`	`Gamefaq`	`it has something to do with AceLocale-2.1`
`22:19.18`	`Tek`	`did you update to the most recent versions?`
`22:19.35`	`FryGuy`	`just did`
`22:19.39`	`FryGuy`	`i'll try it out today on 4F`
`22:19.41`	`FryGuy`	`4H`
`22:19.46`	`Tek`	`that was an issue with AceEvent that I reverted back to Metro quite quickly`
`22:20.03`	`FryGuy`	`oh`
`22:20.30`	`CIA-11`	`03kaelten * r9431 10Ace2/AceLocale-2.1/AceLocale-2.1.lua: Ace2 - Fixed bug relating to the bug fix from yesterday.`
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`22:20.40`	`KaeltenAway`	`Gamefaq: try that`
`22:20.56`	`Gamefaq`	`k mom updating`
`22:21.44`	`Tek`	`var, why are you removing debug messages in the first place, are people not using AceDebug?`
`22:21.46`	`Tek`	`tards...`
`22:21.49`	`*** part/#wowace wereHamster (n=tomc@gw.ptr-62-65-141-13.customer.ch.netstream.com)`
`22:23.55`	`Neronix`	`/yawn`
`22:24.01`	`Neronix`	`the heathens made me work on a school night`
`22:24.29`	`Neronix`	`it's 23:30, and I've got to do homework while I'm prone to falling asleep at any random moment`
`22:24.40`	`XLVII`	`could someome please 'touch' lern2speel? :)`
`22:24.48`	`XLVII`	`or however it's spelt :)`
`22:26.11`	`CIA-11`	`03tekkub * r9432 10Lern2Spell/Lern2Spell.toc:`
`22:26.12`	`CIA-11`	`Lern2Spell`
`22:26.12`	`CIA-11`	`- He touched me in my swimsuit area, and boy did I like it!`
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`22:26.33`	`XLVII`	`thankyou`
`22:26.57`	`Gamefaq`	`well keal onebag works again but with this change you broke fubar-battlegroundfu and questfu`
`22:27.02`	`Gamefaq`	`[2006/08/29 00:26:25-183]: FuBar_BattlegroundFu\BattlegroundFu.lua:29: AceLocale-2.1: Translation for table: 1466DDC8 not found`
`22:27.41`	`Azurewrath`	`Tek: weirdest changelog ever? ;p`
`22:27.46`	`vhaarr`	`Tek: my IRC client doesn't ping on "var", but no, it was some debug stuff that FryGuy had left in, and he didn't use AceDebug.`
`22:27.56`	`Gamefaq`	`[2006/08/29 00:26:27-183]: FuBar_QuestsFu\QuestsFu.lua:8: AceLocale-2.1: Translation for table: 1466DDC8 not found`
`22:28.07`	`FryGuy`	`sorry :/`
`22:28.16`	`Tek`	`yes well, I'm not typing all those extra useless letters`
`22:28.40`	`Tek`	`Fry, you go to hell`
`22:28.48`	`XLVII`	`just curious, would this work:`
`22:28.49`	`XLVII`	`function Ding_Onevent(event)`
`22:28.49`	`XLVII`	`if (event == "PLAYER_LEVEL_UP") then`
`22:28.49`	`XLVII`	`SendChatMessage("Ding! - " .. newlvl, "GUILD", nil,nil);`
`22:28.49`	`XLVII`	`end`
`22:28.49`	`XLVII`	`end`
`22:28.51`	`KaeltenAway`	`hrm thats probably my fault one sec`
`22:29.11`	`vhaarr`	`Tek: tabcompletion? :)`
`22:29.20`	`Tek`	`I assume newlvl is defined somewhere....`
`22:29.25`	`Tek`	`tab smab`
`22:29.28`	`XLVII`	`mm`
`22:29.34`	`XLVII`	`what if i just strip new level..`
`22:29.34`	`vhaarr`	`And they're not useless, it's my last name.`
`22:29.46`	`Tek`	`in theory, yes...`
`22:29.54`	`CIA-11`	`03kaelten * r9433 10Ace2/AceLocale-2.1/AceLocale-2.1.lua: Ace2 - Woops, typo.`
`22:29.56`	`Tek`	`assuming you've registered the event s-omewhere`
`22:30.02`	`KaeltenAway`	`Gamefaq: now try`
`22:30.05`	`Tek`	`and the send stirng is correct`
`22:30.12`	`Tek`	`why not try it out in game to see`
`22:30.42`	`Tek`	`oh and you can nix the nils if you're not passing something after them...`
`22:30.56`	`Tek`	`f(1,2,nil,nil) == f(1,2)`
`22:31.44`	`JoshBorke`	`bye all :-)`
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`22:32.00`	`CIA-11`	`03fryguy * r9434 10FryListDKP/: FryListDKP: Updated externals to prepare for fubar plugin`
`22:32.36`	`XLVII`	`i have to make a toc right too?`
`22:32.58`	`Tek`	`if you want it to load`
`22:33.10`	`CIA-11`	`03jncl * r9435 10RogueCounts/RogueCounts.lua: RogueCounts:`
`22:35.03`	`XLVII`	`will ## Interface: 11200`
`22:35.03`	`XLVII`	`## Title: Ding`
`22:35.03`	`XLVII`	`## Description: Automatically notifies your guild when you level`
`22:35.05`	`XLVII`	`work?`
`22:35.09`	`XLVII`	`lawl.`
`22:35.17`	`CIA-11`	`03rabbit * r9436 10BigWigs/Version.lua: BigWigs: Version: "Current zone" in the tablet was confusing, just say "Zone".`
`22:35.43`	`XLVII`	`i just have to add Ding.lua`
`22:35.45`	`XLVII`	`onto the end`
`22:35.49`	`XLVII`	`and it should work? ;F`
`22:36.19`	`Tek`	`you know what I find works great? copy another TOC and edit it :P`
`22:36.24`	`XLVII`	`ok, going to test.`
`22:36.26`	`XLVII`	`wish me luck..`
`22:36.32`	`XLVII`	`but in a TOC right`
`22:36.37`	`Tek`	`I need a name for my lil bag-button mod`
`22:36.38`	`XLVII`	`you have to define what you want loaded?`
`22:36.52`	`XLVII`	`so in my case, my lua file is called Ding.lua`
`22:36.57`	`XLVII`	`so i just add that to the bottom?`
`22:36.57`	`Tek`	`it just pulls the bag buttons off the actionbar and makes them into a "popbar"`
`22:37.03`	`XLVII`	`oh, here goes nothing`
`22:37.06`	`XLVII`	`popbags`
`22:37.07`	`XLVII`	`;o`
`22:37.11`	`Tek`	`so the main backpack is all that's shown unless you hover`
`22:37.25`	`XLVII`	`popbags`
`22:37.27`	`XLVII`	`bagpopper`
`22:38.12`	`Tek`	`Poppers`
`22:38.14`	`Tek`	`kek`
`22:38.29`	`Tek`	`oh wait, gay joke, nevermind`
`22:38.40`	`Tek`	`fine, tekPopplars it is`
`22:39.43`	`tumetom`	`hehe I'm just walking through the caverns of time`
`22:40.09`	`Neronix`	`http://www.vgcats.com/comics/images/060828.jpg`
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`22:41.25`	`CIA-11`	`03jncl * r9437 10RogueCounts/RogueCounts.lua: RogueCounts: Added support for DAB 3.17, Turned off default debugging :(`
`22:42.16`	`Tuplad`	`Is there a way to find out what addon does what while Im idling so I can find the cause of my high increasing rate ?`
`22:42.33`	`Tek`	`tekSupport`
`22:42.41`	`XLVII`	`i think my dinger is a winner!`
`22:42.46`	`XLVII`	`it didn't have a hissy fit`
`22:43.08`	`FryGuy`	`i wish teksupport could display ms or memory per second rather than per event`
`22:43.17`	`Tuplad`	`:O Will have to check it out.`
`22:43.18`	`FryGuy`	`i mean in a seperate column`
`22:43.20`	`Tek`	`use the OnUpdate one`
`22:43.22`	`Tek`	`:P`
`22:43.30`	`Tek`	`per second is meaningless to events`
`22:43.35`	`FryGuy`	`well`
`22:43.38`	`FryGuy`	`it is somewhat`
`22:43.43`	`Tek`	`except ScheduleRepeatingEvent...`
`22:43.54`	`Tek`	`which is why I dislike AceEvent's whole thing`
`22:44.05`	`Tek`	`Metro tracks rate so you can give per-second`
`22:44.27`	`FryGuy`	`is that why PT switched back to metro?`
`22:44.39`	`Tek`	`PTarg, kinda`
`22:44.53`	`Tek`	`I'm still debating the whole situation`
`22:45.24`	`Tek`	`the tweaks I made should make it easier to switch to AceEvent for the repeating updates... but I don't have a good reason to swich really`
`22:45.48`	`Tek`	`plus the change will make tS's numbers for the all update more accurate :)`
`22:47.23`	`XLVII`	`wow, lern2count spams so much.`
`22:49.40`	`yacoob`	`Sigh.`
`22:49.58`	`yacoob`	`Classic Perl Units - not good.`
`22:50.07`	`XLVII`	`yacoob, use ag_uf`
`22:50.08`	`XLVII`	`;)`
`22:50.18`	`yacoob`	`XLVII: just discarded them :)`
`22:51.00`	`Tuplad`	`yacoob: oUF & agUF are my UF of choice(I dont use them though).`
`22:51.07`	`Tuplad`	`They're DA BOMB!`
`22:51.34`	`yacoob`	`oUF... haven't tried that yet.`
`22:51.37`	`Tuplad`	`-_-`
`22:52.20`	`yacoob`	`oUF not zipped yet?`
`22:52.54`	`Tuplad`	`no`
`22:52.54`	`Tuplad`	`branches`
`22:52.54`	`yacoob`	`unaccessible for me then :)`
`22:55.58`	`tumetom`	`lagcity.de --> webwau`
`22:56.05`	`tumetom`	`link above`
`22:57.59`	`tumetom`	`you find lots of svn addons there`
`22:58.38`	`Tuplad`	`what the ..`
`22:58.54`	`CIA-11`	`03rabbit * r9438 10BigWigs/Version.lua: BigWigs: Version: Attempt to parse the old style reply. Can probably remove this code when 1.13 or whatever hits the streets.`
`22:59.47`	`Tuplad`	`tumetom: Interesting ... downloaded an addon and it doesnt have a toc file -_-`
`23:04.42`	`Tuplad`	`http://ui.worldofwar.net/ui.php?id=3087 DHUD Ripoff ?`
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`23:07.35`	`CIA-11`	`03rabbit * r9439 10BigWigs/Version.lua: BigWigs: Version: Lets just say "N/A" when people don't have a bossmod for the given zone, which lets us shorten the tablet hint substantially as well.`
`23:07.58`	`Neronix`	`wow, they changed all the old talents too`
`23:08.03`	`vhaarr`	`yeah`
`23:08.04`	`Neronix`	`demonology looks more interesting`
`23:08.23`	`Neronix`	`they made imp CoA actually worth spending points in`
`23:08.47`	`vhaarr`	`It was always hard to decide what talents to pick there in order to climb to SM.`
`23:08.53`	`vhaarr`	`with Imp. CoA sucking and all.`
`23:09.18`	`Neronix`	`imp drain soul + dark pact = grinding love`
`23:09.41`	`vhaarr`	`= low raid dps`
`23:09.46`	`Neronix`	`and the former reduces your affliction spells' threat`
`23:10.35`	`Neronix`	`maybe affliction spells might a viable main strategy in a raid situation with the new spells, new talents and the 40 debuff limit`
`23:10.46`	`vhaarr`	`Neronix: care to optimize my string parsing code in BigWigsVersionQuery:ParseReply ? I suck at it so I just copied some strfind/strsub stuff from the Lua PIL.`
`23:10.57`	`Neronix`	`And we needto see the fel guards`
`23:11.07`	`Neronix`	`I'll have a look`
`23:11.40`	`vhaarr`	`hm`
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`23:12.02`	`vhaarr`	`I guess I could just get the reverse zone translation first, and then indexOf that in the reply string`
`23:12.19`	`vhaarr`	`instead of the while + for loop I have now`
`23:12.48`	`Neronix`	`Bah, they nerfed drain tank spec a wee bit`
`23:13.15`	`Neronix`	`got rid of imp drain life and replaced it with one that increases drain amount per affliction spell on the target`
`23:15.23`	`tumetom`	`Tuplad which one?`
`23:15.39`	`Neronix`	`Wow, destructive reach reduces destruction spell threat`
`23:16.50`	`vhaarr`	`:O`
`23:16.52`	`vhaarr`	`How much?`
`23:17.31`	`Tuplad`	`tumetomTuplad which one?`
`23:17.33`	`Tuplad`	`Which one ?`
`23:17.33`	`Neronix`	`10% at rank 2/2`
`23:17.38`	`Tuplad`	`Oh`
`23:17.41`	`vhaarr`	`nice`
`23:17.42`	`tumetom`	`[01:01] <Tuplad> tumetom: Interesting ... downloaded an addon and it doesnt have a toc file -_-`
`23:17.42`	`Tuplad`	`AreWeThereYet, that one`
`23:18.52`	`CIA-11`	`03maia * r9440 10RosterLib-2.0/RosterLib-2.0.lua: RosterLib-2.0: less GC (thanks, tekkub)`
`23:20.01`	`tumetom`	`Tuplad thx...`
`23:20.26`	`CIA-11`	`03maia * r9442 10Squishy/frames.lua: Squishy: click through now enabled when frame locked`
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`23:21.15`	`CIA-11`	`ow`
`23:21.26`	`Tem\|Sleep`	`I commited like 10 minutes`
`23:21.27`	`Tem\|Sleep`	`ago`
`23:21.31`	`Tem\|Sleep`	`oh well`
`23:22.28`	`Neronix`	`hm, the master demo tooltip suggests that fel guards are super succubi or something`
`23:22.41`	`Neronix`	`succys and fel guards both increase shadow dmg by 10%`
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`23:24.24`	`yacoob`	`Neronix: pat but I'm off to sleep :)`
`23:24.40`	`yacoob`	`Neronix: in case you have any ideas for the fubar thingy, feel free to poke me with /msg :)`
`23:24.45`	`Neronix`	`Ok`
`23:24.46`	`Neronix`	`night`
`23:27.30`	`Neronix`	`vhaarr: What would a version query typically look like? "MC:1337 BWL:2448" etc?`
`23:27.34`	`CIA-11`	`03rabbit * r9443 10BigWigs/Version.lua: BigWigs: Version: Parsing old replies actually works.`
`23:27.40`	`vhaarr`	`Neronix: There, a better version.`
`23:27.44`	`vhaarr`	`Neronix: but yes`
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`23:28.20`	`vhaarr`	`Neronix: self.currentZone is "Zul'Gurub", and \|BWL\| translates them to "ZG" and the like.`
`23:28.49`	`Neronix`	`Ok`
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`23:29.08`	`vhaarr`	`Revision in this old style reply will always be 4 characters long.`
`23:29.12`	`vhaarr`	`hence the static +5.`
`23:29.50`	`Neronix`	`So multiple replies in the one string?`
`23:30.00`	`vhaarr`	`yes`
`23:30.54`	`vhaarr`	`but the code I just committed doesn't use much magic, not sure how much it can be optimized`
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`23:32.47`	`Neronix`	`doesn't look like it'd work for multiple replies in the one string`
`23:32.58`	`vhaarr`	`it's not supposed to`
`23:33.06`	`vhaarr`	`the old style replied with all the versions`
`23:33.06`	`Neronix`	`[00:36:11] [Neronix] So multiple replies in the one string?`
`23:33.06`	`Neronix`	`[00:36:22] [vhaarr] yes`
`23:33.18`	`vhaarr`	`now we just care about 1 zone`
`23:33.18`	`Neronix`	`ah`
`23:33.33`	`vhaarr`	`and that is self.currentZone`
`23:35.15`	`Neronix`	`I dunno how fast string.sub is compared to string.find, but I think just doing string.find(reply, "(.+):(%d+)") would be simpler`
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`23:36.08`	`Neronix`	`/me tests`
`23:36.17`	`yacoob`	`oh... one thing missing in idChat* series. Gossip skip :)`
`23:37.39`	`vhaarr`	`Does cladhaire need/want free servers btw?`
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`23:38.10`	`[Epic]Gemski`	`hey, when ctmod gets updated (like it just did) will my ora not work anyone? like with the built in blizz channel thing`
`23:38.10`	`CIA-11`	`03sinaloit * r9444 10!!!Libraries/ (. !!!Libraries.toc):`
`23:38.10`	`CIA-11`	`!!!Libraries:`
`23:38.10`	`CIA-11`	`- Added X-Category: Library`
`23:38.10`	`CIA-11`	`- Needed to update for latest Lib changes.`
`23:38.27`	`vhaarr`	`oRA1 does not work, no.`
`23:38.29`	`vhaarr`	`oRA2 does.`
`23:38.43`	`[Epic]Gemski`	`so ora2 is ready for primetime?`
`23:39.41`	`Moondrake`	`"vhaarr: oRA1 does not work, no." you mean "will" ?`
`23:40.05`	`[Epic]Gemski`	`well ctmod is now 1.51`
`23:40.05`	`vhaarr`	`yes, "will not work".`
`23:40.20`	`[Epic]Gemski`	`i mean1.541`
`23:40.36`	`[Epic]Gemski`	`so is there something i can edit to make it see mts and stuff? >.>`
`23:40.46`	`CIA-11`	`03phyber * r9445 10FuBar_TopScoreFu/Libs/:`
`23:40.46`	`CIA-11`	`TopScoreFu:`
`23:40.46`	`CIA-11`	`- Fixed missing Deformat-2.0 external.`
`23:41.04`	`Moondrake`	`worked fine for me today in raid`
`23:42.20`	`vhaarr`	`It worked fine because your unit frames use raid1-40 anyway.`
`23:42.47`	`Moondrake`	`hu?`
`23:43.15`	`Moondrake`	`meaning?`
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`23:47.50`	`CIA-11`	`03phyber * r9446 10FuBar_TopScoreFu/Libs/:`
`23:47.50`	`CIA-11`	`TopScoreFu:`
`23:47.50`	`CIA-11`	`- Really fixed missing Deformat-2.0 external.`
`23:48.03`	`vhaarr`	`http://www.weebl.jolt.co.uk/fleabag.htm`
`23:48.13`	`vhaarr`	`late night humor ftw`
`23:50.01`	`Neronix`	`vhaarr: http://ace.pastey.net/468-1ew1`
`23:50.10`	`Neronix`	`Changed so they'll work outside of wow`
`23:50.12`	`phyber`	`Fashion! But at what cost?`
`23:50.16`	`phyber`	`cool :)`
`23:50.25`	`Moondrake`	`vharr: could you answer my question from earlier?`
`23:50.26`	`Neronix`	`assume the var lol to be whatever AceLocale spits back at you`
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`23:50.42`	`Tuplad`	`Tek: tekSupport is porn`
`23:50.46`	`Tuplad`	`Tek: But what do I look for ? :>`
`23:50.48`	`Neronix`	`My tests show Two() to run in 3/4 of the time`
`23:51.15`	`Neronix`	`You could make it even faster by changing .+ to %s+, but that'll stop AQ20 and AQ40 from working of course`
`23:52.33`	`vhaarr`	`Neronix: but how does Two work with a string like "MC:1234 BWL:1324 AQ20:1234"`
`23:52.41`	`vhaarr`	`Which is the reply format.`
`23:52.44`	`vhaarr`	`(old)`
`23:52.57`	`vhaarr`	`Neronix: It would need a loop?`
`23:53.23`	`Neronix`	`but you said earlier that it doesn't need to work for multiple replies in the one string`
`23:53.30`	`Neronix`	`that's what the original function was like after that last update`
`23:53.32`	`vhaarr`	`Not with the way I do it in One(), no.`
`23:54.01`	`Tuplad`	`Tek: Event Handlers, Sorted by Memory: the one I have on top: BankFrame PLAYER_MONEY x1 Mem: 331 KiB, Mem/exec 331.0 KiB, Time: 218ms, Time/exec 218.ms`
`23:54.02`	`vhaarr`	`Because just find the index of the zone in the reply string.`
`23:54.05`	`Moondrake`	`good night all, and vhaarr send me a PM with the answer if you have it ;)`
`23:54.06`	`Tuplad`	`Tek: So that means my bankframe lags ? :p`
`23:54.41`	`Tek`	`that means bankframe does a lot of shit... but the event only fired once so it's not a big deal`
`23:54.57`	`Neronix`	`vhaarr: So you're only trying to parse one of the replies?`
`23:55.05`	`Neronix`	`instead of all 3?`
`23:55.13`	`Rophy`	`ckknight, poke`
`23:55.17`	`Neronix`	`(The one reply being the one pertaining to the current zone)`
`23:55.27`	`vhaarr`	`No, reply contains all the zones.`
`23:55.30`	`Moondrake`	`vhaarr: sorry doesn't ring a bell`
`23:55.43`	`Tuplad`	`Tek: Ok, so what would be the best way to sort ? By mem or by time ?`
`23:55.46`	`vhaarr`	`Neronix: But I just want self.currentZone from that reply, if it's there.`
`23:55.52`	`Tek`	`both :P`
`23:56.06`	`Tek`	`high mem usages cause GC cycles`
`23:56.17`	`Tek`	`high exec times lower framerate`
`23:56.25`	`Neronix`	`vhaarr: Ok`
`23:56.28`	`vhaarr`	`Neronix: "MC:1244 BWL:1245 AQ20:1451" and self.currentZone = "AQ20", so I want "1451".`
`23:56.39`	`Neronix`	`I see now`
`23:56.57`	`vhaarr`	`So when I committed the code at first and asked if you could take a look, I must've been on crack.`
`23:57.43`	`Tuplad`	`Tek: Aha, lets see then :p`
`23:57.59`	`Tuplad`	`Tek: Events or OnUpdate ?`
`23:58.21`	`Tek`	`and you can basically ignore AceEventFrame, there's nothing that can be done about Ace1 mods till they're upgraded`
`23:58.38`	`Tek`	`both, god I wouldn't put in options if they weren't important`
`23:58.45`	`Tek`	`:P`
`23:58.47`	`Tek`	`duh!`
`23:58.57`	`Tuplad`	`Aha`
`23:59.17`	`Tuplad`	`Lemme wowwiki that`
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