| 00:00.31 | Industrial | *** player *** |
| 00:01.29 | Industrial | ah im an idiot :P sorry |
| 00:01.33 | Industrial | fixed :( |
| 00:01.33 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 00:02.08 | JoshBorke | :-) |
| 00:02.12 | JoshBorke | glad it works for you now :-) |
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| 00:07.57 | CIA-11 | 03id * r8121 10idUnitWatch/Core.lua: idUnitWatch: Added flags for PvP, Dead, Offline, Leader (party) |
| 00:07.59 | Industrial | pewf |
| 00:08.14 | Industrial | I cant think of more to add except buffs/defuffs |
| 00:08.37 | Industrial | Wich tbh will be way too small to even recognize :P |
| 00:09.14 | JoshBorke | Industrial, perhaps take a not frome PR and just color some indicator by the debuff type? |
| 00:09.29 | ag`_ | Neronix, what are you using mixins for? |
| 00:09.32 | JoshBorke | s/not frome/note from/ |
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| 00:11.04 | Industrial | note from PR? |
| 00:11.34 | ag`_ | ie. hint |
| 00:11.37 | ag`_ | clue |
| 00:11.42 | ag`_ | suggestion |
| 00:12.03 | haste_ | wrong! |
| 00:12.07 | haste_ | it's note as in: STEAL!!! |
| 00:13.12 | Neronix | ag`_: I have a bare unit class and a bunch of mixins like buffs, portrait, etc. |
| 00:13.35 | ag`_ | why not just have them in every unit? |
| 00:13.38 | JoshBorke | Industrial, copy the idea from :-D cladhaire just uses a single M to represent a magic debuff etc. no clue for buffs though |
| 00:13.49 | Neronix | ag`_: I don't want buffs on my player |
| 00:14.06 | Industrial | nice |
| 00:14.17 | Neronix | and I doing if self.unitID... all the time is messy |
| 00:14.27 | ag`_ | I see. Anyway, I like having buffs on my player because I can have those filtered, and then see every debuff/buff on the blizzard display |
| 00:14.49 | ag`_ | It's pretty nice as you can very fast see if you're missing a buff or if there's something you can dispel |
| 00:14.54 | ag`_ | but each to his own I guess |
| 00:14.58 | Neronix | And I don't want to see the in combat icon on party members |
| 00:15.29 | Neronix | or I don't want class icon for my pet |
| 00:15.54 | Neronix | I just use a different combination of mixins for each unit |
| 00:16.05 | Neronix | or at least that was the plan |
| 00:16.13 | ag`_ | Yeah I see |
| 00:16.23 | Neronix | I think I'll go with Iceroth's class-in-class idea |
| 00:16.27 | JoshBorke | Neronix, don't give up hope! you can do it! |
| 00:16.38 | Neronix | JoshBorke: I won't =) |
| 00:16.43 | Neronix | instead of them being mixins, they'll be classes |
| 00:17.13 | JoshBorke | so will it be class->class->class? (mod->unit->stuff?) |
| 00:17.26 | JoshBorke | i personally don't like mods having multiple folders :-/ |
| 00:17.29 | Neronix | self.portrait = uPerl.classes.portrait:new(self) |
| 00:17.55 | Neronix | self is an instance of the base unit class btw |
| 00:18.14 | Neronix | they'll all be stored in uPerl.units |
| 00:19.06 | JoshBorke | cool |
| 00:19.07 | Neronix | but then with the class approach, I'll need to index something like self.parentUnit to get at the unit object that portrait is attached to |
| 00:19.12 | Tem | kergoth, whine at blizzard |
| 00:19.16 | Neronix | as opposed to just self |
| 00:19.20 | Tem | kergoth, CheckButtons don't satisfy the LSP |
| 00:19.21 | ag`_ | Yeah I'd prefer if things like oRA would keep their modules inside their folder, so you could just delete the stuff you didn't want to use |
| 00:19.34 | JoshBorke | ag`_, AYE! |
| 00:19.36 | Neronix | I prefer the multiple folder approach |
| 00:19.47 | Neronix | I don't wanna load pet stuff when I'm not playing my lock |
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| 00:20.14 | JoshBorke | Neronix, can't that be handled by the mod though? |
| 00:20.18 | JoshBorke | Neronix, through profiles |
| 00:20.31 | Neronix | hmm, maybe |
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| 00:21.02 | Neronix | or just good old UnitClass("player") checking and keeping an eye on UNIT_PET |
| 00:21.05 | ag`_ | using OO I have so little pet specific code that it doesn't matter at all |
| 00:22.32 | Neronix | I think the class approach might not be so messy after all |
| 00:22.51 | Neronix | it's just the self.parentUnit thing that's messy |
| 00:23.08 | Neronix | and probably the extra expense of the classes over mixins |
| 00:24.15 | Tuplad | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6201848206157705176&q=Tuplad ho ho, good ol' Discord days |
| 00:24.29 | Tuplad | 1 hour before I get perm banned : |
| 00:25.05 | JoshBorke | why you get perm banned? |
| 00:25.25 | Tuplad | 3 hours non stop spamming with 3 people in orgrimmar |
| 00:25.46 | Mikma | don't spam. |
| 00:26.00 | Neronix | I thought you were banned for account sharing |
| 00:26.30 | Tuplad | Neronix: that's my other account |
| 00:26.34 | hyperChipmunk | you should spam #wowace nonstop for 3 hours |
| 00:26.41 | Tuplad | hyperChipmunk: meh :< |
| 00:26.44 | Neronix | So we have an excuse to ban you |
| 00:26.45 | Mikma | hyperChipmunk: yes, he should |
| 00:26.54 | Tuplad | ^.^ |
| 00:27.20 | Tuplad | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1848706516749962340&q=Shaman+PvP lol some dude made a video of his "pwnage" on a test realm |
| 00:28.37 | Mikma | so you actually are saying you have 2 accounts banned now |
| 00:29.21 | Tuplad | 7 |
| 00:29.28 | Neronix | Tuplad: WTB name of song |
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| 00:29.42 | Tuplad | :0 |
| 00:29.43 | Mikma | *yawn* |
| 00:29.57 | Mikma | seems to me that tuplads trying to be a some sort of urban legend |
| 00:30.16 | Mikma | "once i killed 200 hordes by myself, at the same time with my rogue!" |
| 00:30.32 | hyperChipmunk | seems to me he's succeeding at becoming some sort of urban idiot |
| 00:30.42 | Tuplad | Mikma: hm ? |
| 00:30.52 | Tuplad | hyperChipmunk: not really, blizzard just loves me too much |
| 00:30.58 | Mikma | hyperChipmunk: very true |
| 00:31.41 | Mikma | i'll just say this once again: so you actually are saying you have 2 accounts banned now |
| 00:32.03 | Health | talented |
| 00:32.11 | mjc | hahahah. |
| 00:32.22 | mjc | tuplad they have banned you because you're stupid and annoying |
| 00:32.26 | mjc | it takes a lot to have that happen |
| 00:32.34 | Mikma | Tuplad: right or wrong? |
| 00:32.37 | Tuplad | I luv when mjc is angry |
| 00:32.50 | mjc | so.. quitlife |
| 00:32.50 | Tuplad | Mikma: wrong |
| 00:32.50 | ckknight_ | mjc, it's called suicide |
| 00:32.51 | ckknight_ | ~wrists |
| 00:32.52 | purl | Remember, emo kids, it's down the street, not across the road! |
| 00:32.52 | Mikma | Tuplad: what is the correct number then |
| 00:32.53 | Tuplad | :D |
| 00:32.57 | Tuplad | Mikma: 7 |
| 00:33.01 | Mikma | ok |
| 00:33.07 | Codayus_ | Neronix: You were wondering what the song was on that pvp video? |
| 00:33.08 | Mikma | like sean connor says "fucking idiot" |
| 00:33.23 | Tuplad | Mikma: no Mikma, like Tuplad would say "cheats" |
| 00:33.29 | mjc | fucking idiot |
| 00:33.34 | Neronix | Codayus_: Yes |
| 00:33.37 | Mikma | Tuplad: ever thought that maybe it has nothing to do with blizzard loving you, just you being a fucking idiot |
| 00:33.44 | Tuplad | read above |
| 00:33.46 | Codayus_ | The song is "Die Motherfucker Die" by Dope, off the album Life |
| 00:33.52 | Mikma | <0333> <mjc> fucking idiot |
| 00:33.54 | Neronix | Thanks |
| 00:33.55 | Mikma | i saw this |
| 00:33.55 | Tuplad | Codayus_: thanks |
| 00:34.09 | mjc | Mikma: not you :) |
| 00:34.14 | Codayus_ | Good band, although that's not my favorite song of theirs. |
| 00:34.17 | Mikma | mjc: i know :) |
| 00:34.20 | mjc | Mikma: and I lost your url again :P |
| 00:34.22 | hyperChipmunk | that sounds like a pleasant song |
| 00:34.30 | Codayus_ | hyperChipmunk: It's not as bad as it sounds. |
| 00:34.31 | Tuplad | hyperChipmunk: check the video I linked |
| 00:34.31 | Mikma | mjc: http://wow.reaktio.net/Mikma |
| 00:34.43 | mjc | bookmarked now ;P |
| 00:34.53 | hyperChipmunk | i don't click on anything you post, on principle |
| 00:35.10 | Mikma | Tuplad: "<Tuplad> Mikma: no Mikma, like Tuplad would say "cheats"" <- fucking idiot |
| 00:35.23 | Mikma | that's what i see when i read that one |
| 00:36.05 | Tuplad | sure :) |
| 00:36.15 | mjc | Mikma: mind if I convert that tga to blp and give it back to you? that way you can use it in SMM |
| 00:36.20 | Codayus_ | Halfway through the video it swaps to another song; no idea what that is. I'm sure I know the band, but I can't quite place it. |
| 00:36.29 | Mikma | getting 1 account banned is lame. but if you have got 7 banned.. what does that make you? |
| 00:36.36 | mjc | a fucking idiot :) |
| 00:36.45 | Codayus_ | One of those...special people? |
| 00:36.58 | Health | he just likes attention |
| 00:37.02 | Mikma | mjc: right on. and about the texture. i'm not quite sure what you meant with it |
| 00:37.05 | Codayus_ | "We call them troggs." |
| 00:37.17 | mjc | Mikma: blp is the format used by wow internally |
| 00:37.28 | Tuplad | ugh |
| 00:37.32 | Mikma | mjc: yeah, explain more :) |
| 00:37.33 | Tuplad | Mikma: you're the one that asked |
| 00:37.42 | mjc | look at the skins dir in smm |
| 00:37.46 | Codayus_ | And on a vaugely related note, the actual video sucked. Why would someone waste their time making something like that? oO |
| 00:37.52 | CIA-11 | 03grayhoof * r8122 10SCT/sct/ (localization.cn.lua localization.kr.lua sct.toc): sct: Added Korean localization |
| 00:37.55 | hyperChipmunk | smm? |
| 00:37.57 | Mikma | mmkay then let's have a lookie |
| 00:38.07 | Tuplad | Codayus_: they're idiots :) |
| 00:38.21 | Codayus_ | Oh well, they almost had good taste in music, at least... |
| 00:38.39 | Health | He plays with the mouse in the movie... |
| 00:38.45 | mjc | http://ohdarn.net/Mikma-Minimap.blp |
| 00:39.12 | mjc | you'll need to make a mask though, I think |
| 00:40.19 | Tekkub | there are days I really hate my guild |
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| 00:40.38 | mjc | hm, blp tools won't even open yours |
| 00:40.39 | mjc | er |
| 00:40.40 | Tekkub | the ygive this bullshit about "oh god you need to raid with us, we need people.... |
| 00:40.41 | mjc | won't open theirs |
| 00:40.43 | mjc | smm's |
| 00:40.43 | Mikma | mjc: i still don't quite realize why i need the blp :) |
| 00:40.46 | Tekkub | there are 41 people on |
| 00:40.51 | Tekkub | 1 is lv 50 |
| 00:40.53 | mjc | Mikma: faster, smaller, supposedly |
| 00:40.57 | Tekkub | I am NOT in the raid |
| 00:41.09 | Tuplad | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:41.10 | Tekkub | raid zoned in 10 min ago |
| 00:41.15 | Mikma | oh well, the addon is still quite small on memory so i'll rather keep it in readable format hehe |
| 00:41.33 | mjc | Mikma: well, I mean you can put the texture in smm and remove one of the features from your mod :) |
| 00:41.40 | Tuplad | Tekkub: why raid ? pvp is more fun |
| 00:41.49 | Tekkub | fuck pvp |
| 00:41.54 | Tekkub | pvp is stupid |
| 00:41.58 | Mikma | mjc: yeah but i can do that with .tga too :D |
| 00:42.00 | Tuplad | :0 |
| 00:42.01 | CIA-11 | 03theondry * r8123 10FuBar_SnaFu/ (Changes.txt SnaFu.lua): FuBar_SnaFu: Removed potentially nasty variable assignment leftover from debugging code. |
| 00:42.05 | Tuplad | Tekkub: how come ? |
| 00:42.06 | cladhaire | wow what a fuckwit |
| 00:42.12 | mjc | Mikma: I didn't think it'd let you use a .tga |
| 00:42.17 | Tekkub | I didn't even really care about the actual raiding, I wanted to profile SE Aura in a 40-man run |
| 00:42.19 | cladhaire | who is hk2717? |
| 00:42.30 | Mikma | mjc: of course it will :) .tga and .blp both are supported |
| 00:42.31 | Tekkub | clad, the znCH localizer |
| 00:42.37 | mjc | ah |
| 00:42.38 | Tuplad | Tekkub: kek |
| 00:42.41 | JoshBorke | wow, he's 'THE' localizer |
| 00:42.43 | mjc | who is tardmrr in here |
| 00:42.45 | mjc | if he is at all |
| 00:42.46 | Tuplad | cladhaire: what he did ? |
| 00:42.48 | Mikma | mjc: tem |
| 00:42.50 | cladhaire | He borked SCT |
| 00:42.53 | cladhaire | like he borkes everyone else. |
| 00:42.55 | cladhaire | http://svn.wowace.com/svnweb/index.cgi/root/log/trunk/SCT/ |
| 00:42.59 | mjc | ~seen tem |
| 00:43.02 | purl | tem <n=tardmrr@ip70-177-40-169.br.br.cox.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowi-lounge, 6m 12s ago, saying: 'see if it's got a height/width set'. |
| 00:43.02 | Tekkub | anyone else ever submit znCH locales? |
| 00:43.18 | Tekkub | clad, you notice a pattern with the asian localizers? |
| 00:43.30 | Tekkub | not to make broad generalizations, but we are 2/2 here :) |
| 00:43.41 | cladhaire | at least he's not a koKRean |
| 00:43.48 | cladhaire | cause we all know how that ended up =) |
| 00:43.52 | tardmrr | I notice you like to say that |
| 00:44.01 | Mikma | cladhaire: umh, so how did he bork it up? |
| 00:44.05 | Tekkub | you mean the part where he broke everyting? |
| 00:44.05 | JoshBorke | wow, i like the svn output WAY better than CIA |
| 00:44.08 | tardmrr | "Kay - Oh - Kay - ree-an " |
| 00:44.08 | Tekkub | oh wait... |
| 00:44.10 | Tuplad | koKRean Mikma, kokrean |
| 00:44.17 | tardmrr | mjc, you needed something? |
| 00:44.40 | mjc | tardmrr: typo in Overlord |
| 00:44.41 | Mikma | Tuplad: nope, he made zhCH locales not korean |
| 00:44.42 | Tekkub | koh kree ann |
| 00:44.45 | CIA-11 | 03grayhoof * r8124 10SCT/sct_options/ (10 files): sct_options: Added Korean localization, added SCTD Split Profile |
| 00:44.46 | mjc | funciton :P |
| 00:44.54 | tardmrr | mjc, yeah, it's fixed locally |
| 00:45.01 | tardmrr | just haven't bothered to reupload it |
| 00:45.04 | tardmrr | since it does nothing |
| 00:45.06 | Tuplad | meh, then I have no idea what he did wrong |
| 00:45.08 | mjc | a |
| 00:45.09 | mjc | ah |
| 00:45.46 | cladhaire | ag`_: FIND MEEE |
| 00:45.47 | CIA-11 | 03grayhoof * r8125 10SCT/sctd/ (localization.cn.lua localization.kr.lua sctd.toc): sctd: Added Korean localization |
| 00:45.49 | Mikma | Tuplad: that why i asked the same |
| 00:45.54 | ag`_ | Hello cladhaire |
| 00:45.59 | cladhaire | ag`_: =) |
| 00:46.02 | Tekkub | clad, what server are you on? |
| 00:46.09 | Tekkub | I've grown weary of this guild |
| 00:46.13 | Tekkub | I want in yours |
| 00:46.21 | cladhaire | Tekkub: Stormrage |
| 00:46.27 | Tekkub | PvE? |
| 00:46.30 | cladhaire | cladhaire: aye |
| 00:46.31 | ag`_ | I want EU ace guild :< |
| 00:46.36 | cladhaire | Tekkub: Unless you mean <Desperate Housewives> |
| 00:46.38 | cladhaire | that's on Kael'thas =) |
| 00:46.49 | cladhaire | so no 1.12 today i see? |
| 00:46.52 | ag`_ | nope |
| 00:46.55 | Tekkub | I want in a guild I can go raid with from time to time |
| 00:46.56 | cladhaire | good |
| 00:46.59 | cladhaire | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:47.06 | cladhaire | Tekkub: Whats your gear/skill level like |
| 00:47.11 | cladhaire | we may be casual, but we have standards =) |
| 00:47.13 | cladhaire | and whats your class? |
| 00:47.26 | Tekkub | healing class |
| 00:47.33 | cladhaire | DOES ANYONE ELSE WANT THEIR SVN DIRECTORY PROTECTED WHILE I'M PUTTING UP THE ASIAN SHACKLES? |
| 00:47.34 | Tekkub | gear would be whatever I get when I get there |
| 00:47.35 | CIA-11 | 03grayhoof * r8126 10SCT/sctd_options/ (localization.cn.lua localization.kr.lua sctd_options.toc): sctd_options: Added Korean localization |
| 00:47.35 | cladhaire | Tekkub: Which kind? |
| 00:47.50 | Tekkub | whatever's needed |
| 00:47.57 | Mikma | cladhaire: ok wtf has happened? :) |
| 00:47.59 | Tekkub | if you're whorde, tauren drood |
| 00:47.59 | cladhaire | wait, you're going to re-roll? |
| 00:48.06 | Tekkub | if it's ally, whatever |
| 00:48.10 | cladhaire | Mikma: someone messed in shit they had no right messing in |
| 00:48.11 | Tekkub | yes clad |
| 00:48.14 | cladhaire | i've already explained that. |
| 00:48.23 | cladhaire | Tekkub: Oh lol.. well I can't make any guarantees =) |
| 00:48.29 | cladhaire | I dont play on my horde character, or my alliance char =) |
| 00:48.30 | Tekkub | unless you want me to shell out $25 to transfer my hunter that I don't like to play |
| 00:48.47 | Mikma | cladhaire: well the funny thing is i have actually wondered how he can access all those folders |
| 00:48.47 | Tekkub | well if you don't play then fuck it |
| 00:48.52 | cladhaire | ag`_: Lets talk. |
| 00:48.55 | cladhaire | ag`_: I'm here for 2 more hours. |
| 00:48.59 | cladhaire | Tekkub: I don't =/ |
| 00:49.03 | Tekkub | I'll just sti here hoping for an invite and write mods |
| 00:49.06 | cladhaire | too busy working, working out, editing, and coding =( |
| 00:49.07 | ag`_ | yeah |
| 00:49.18 | ag`_ | wanted to use google IM or something? |
| 00:49.29 | cladhaire | ag`_: We can use that, irc, email, whatever works for you =) |
| 00:49.32 | haste_ | my megahal bot hates me :( |
| 00:49.58 | cladhaire | i can take my laptop into the bath with me if necessary =) |
| 00:50.01 | cladhaire | since i want to relax too lol |
| 00:50.05 | Mikma | haste_: hal-9000? my mind is going. |
| 00:50.12 | cladhaire | i'm also on aim, yahoo and jabber/googletalk |
| 00:50.13 | cladhaire | lol |
| 00:50.32 | ag`_ | hrm, I need a gmail invite =P |
| 00:50.41 | cladhaire | np |
| 00:50.42 | Mikma | ag`_: i can arrange you one |
| 00:50.42 | cladhaire | email? |
| 00:50.47 | Mikma | oooor clad :) |
| 00:50.48 | cladhaire | Mikma: he's mine |
| 00:50.50 | cladhaire | don't think about it =) |
| 00:50.54 | haste_ | http://ace.pastebin.ca/133641 << it's just rude, and it hates me :( |
| 00:51.01 | ag`_ | andreas@nabolaget.org |
| 00:51.03 | Mikma | cladhaire: damn you, always taking the best ones from top |
| 00:51.04 | cladhaire | i'm trying to get my invite level as low as possible =) |
| 00:51.10 | cladhaire | sent |
| 00:51.10 | cladhaire | i win |
| 00:51.20 | *** join/#wowace XLVII (n=XLVII@CPE-58-162-80-109.qld.bigpond.net.au) |
| 00:51.22 | Tuplad | lol @ haste_ |
| 00:51.32 | ag`_ | strange how they're still using the invite system |
| 00:51.42 | cladhaire | ag`_: well you can get it if you have a us cellphone |
| 00:51.43 | cladhaire | oddly |
| 00:52.01 | cladhaire | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:52.12 | cladhaire | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:52.14 | Tuplad | using gaim clad ? |
| 00:52.25 | Mikma | OMG clad |
| 00:52.30 | cladhaire | Tuplad: I do use gaim, but not for the jabber portion of things |
| 00:52.31 | Mikma | you now gave your address to tuplad |
| 00:52.33 | cladhaire | Mikma: ... k? |
| 00:52.38 | cladhaire | Mikma: everyone else has it =) |
| 00:52.45 | cladhaire | I get PM'd all day at work.. |
| 00:52.46 | Mikma | cladhaire: but.. Tuplad.. |
| 00:52.51 | cladhaire | I like tuplad in the butt. |
| 00:52.52 | cladhaire | its okay |
| 00:52.52 | Tuplad | >:] |
| 00:52.57 | ag`_ | my email is totally ruined by spam |
| 00:53.01 | ag`_ | so I don't care anymore |
| 00:53.09 | Tekkub | [Big Bear Meat] |
| 00:53.17 | Mikma | lol |
| 00:53.17 | cladhaire | the important thing is it doesn't go in the irc logs =) |
| 00:53.18 | Health | Tuplad aka Butlad |
| 00:53.35 | Mikma | cladhaire: are you sure it won't go? |
| 00:53.45 | Tekkub | oh, clad... |
| 00:53.57 | Tekkub | you need to get tekProber, I'm certain you'll like it |
| 00:54.00 | cladhaire | Mikma: it starts with a space. |
| 00:54.21 | Tekkub | and you'll prolly like tekSupport too :) |
| 00:54.31 | Mikma | cladhaire: oh, thanks for the info :) |
| 00:54.42 | CIA-11 | 03tardmrr * r8127 10Ace2/AceGUI-2.0/ (3 files): |
| 00:54.42 | CIA-11 | AceGUI-2.0: |
| 00:54.43 | CIA-11 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:54.56 | Health | Heh. |
| 00:55.02 | Health | asumptions! |
| 00:55.46 | Health | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:55.54 | cladhaire | ~logs |
| 00:55.56 | purl | apt/ibot/jbot/purl all log to http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/ where channelname is html encoded ie: %23debian | lines that start with a space are not shown | some channels have stats at http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz, or updated "nightly" |
| 00:55.59 | Tuplad | night Health |
| 00:56.08 | CIA-11 | 03tardmrr * r8128 10Ace2/AceGUI-2.0/ (AceGUICheckButton-2.0.lua AceGUIFactory-2.0.lua): |
| 00:56.08 | CIA-11 | AceGUI-2.0: |
| 00:56.08 | CIA-11 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:56.08 | CIA-11 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:56.12 | cladhaire | and now my jabber goes to gaim too |
| 00:56.15 | cladhaire | since i'm really lazy |
| 00:56.27 | Tuplad | cladhaire: I wish I was just like you |
| 00:56.32 | cladhaire | ag`_: How's everything coming? |
| 00:56.34 | Tuplad | cladhaire: gaim wont connect ;\ |
| 00:56.36 | cladhaire | Tuplad: Stalk me enough and you can be! |
| 00:56.45 | cladhaire | Tuplad: google for "googletalk gaim" |
| 00:56.52 | cladhaire | or go to advanced |
| 00:56.53 | cladhaire | use TLS |
| 00:56.55 | cladhaire | talk.google.com |
| 00:56.56 | cladhaire | 5222 |
| 00:56.58 | Tuplad | cladhaire: he doesnt even connect to msn ;_; |
| 00:57.07 | ag`_ | haven't had any invite yet:) |
| 00:57.14 | Tuplad | ag`_: give address I'll send |
| 00:57.16 | cladhaire | ag`_: Its been sent.. it probably got filtered out. |
| 00:57.34 | cladhaire | ag`_: Jim Whitehead II has invited you to open a Google mail account<font size="3"> Â Function VBGetSwfVer(i) on error resume next Dim swControl, swVersion swVersion = 0 set swControl = CreateObject("ShockwaveFlash.ShockwaveFlash." + CStr(i)) if (IsObject(swControl)) then swVersion = swControl.GetVariable("$version") end if VBGetSwfVer = swVersion End Functionfunction FlashRequest() {} function Player_DoFSCommand |
| 00:57.53 | Gngsk | :o |
| 00:58.00 | Mikma | rofl |
| 00:58.14 | *** join/#wowace cladhaire (n=jnwhiteh@cpe-69-202-110-177.twcny.res.rr.com) |
| 00:58.14 | *** mode/#wowace [+o cladhaire] by ChanServ |
| 00:58.24 | cladhaire | <font size="3">holy shitballs.. that's a copy/paste gone wrong if i've ever had one.</font> |
| 00:58.26 | cladhaire | http://mail.google.com/mail/a-e0e8e95cfb-bdc308eb53-27949febf1 |
| 00:58.28 | cladhaire | ag`_: click that link |
| 00:58.35 | Tuplad | ;\ |
| 00:58.43 | ag`_ | worked :P |
| 00:59.00 | cladhaire | sorry for the spam.. when did the server boot me? |
| 00:59.01 | cladhaire | lol |
| 00:59.18 | Tem | FlashRequest() {} function Player_DoFSComman |
| 00:59.20 | Tekkub | hrm... I just had an idea, sitting here looking at tekSupport when I'm doing nothing |
| 00:59.32 | Mikma | .. FlashRequest() {} function Player_DoFSCommand .. <0357> ::: cladhaire [n=jnwhiteh@cpe-69-202-110-177.twcny.res.rr.com] has quit (Excess Flood) |
| 00:59.37 | cladhaire | haha |
| 00:59.41 | cladhaire | i sent like 30 more lines after that |
| 00:59.43 | Tekkub | a mod that will basically erase defaultUI frames that are'n t used by the player |
| 00:59.54 | cladhaire | i acidentally selected all with the mouse |
| 01:00.21 | cladhaire | ag`_: We could have just used irc you sillybutt =) |
| 01:00.26 | Mikma | Tekkub: yes please |
| 01:00.28 | cladhaire | but this'll help with timezones |
| 01:00.32 | Tekkub | like I don't use MultiBarBottomLeftButton12, it doesn't need to be registered to any scripts |
| 01:00.36 | cladhaire | since i can jabber more often than i can irc. |
| 01:00.52 | Tekkub | basically MiniBlizzRaid but you could throw any frame at it |
| 01:01.26 | cladhaire | MBR is useless now |
| 01:01.26 | cladhaire | yay |
| 01:01.32 | Tekkub | it is? |
| 01:01.41 | Tekkub | nandattebayoL |
| 01:01.43 | Tekkub | ? |
| 01:01.44 | Mikma | well when 1.12 lands |
| 01:01.49 | cladhaire | yep |
| 01:01.56 | Tekkub | they make the raid ui LoD? |
| 01:01.59 | hyperChipmunk | no, they just don't load it when you log in; that was a bug in 1.11 |
| 01:02.06 | hyperChipmunk | they just fixed it |
| 01:02.16 | Mikma | i think they also reworked it |
| 01:02.27 | Mikma | it creates the frames on fly when they are needed |
| 01:02.35 | ag`_ | I'm like totally online now clad |
| 01:02.37 | Mikma | that means it doesn't always create the 40x frames |
| 01:02.44 | JoshBorke | can't you just hook the creation function? |
| 01:03.11 | cladhaire | it creates frames using createframe =) |
| 01:03.20 | JoshBorke | in the pull-out function? |
| 01:03.30 | CIA-11 | 03ckknight * r8129 10Ace2/AceOO-2.0/AceOO-2.0.lua: AceOO - fixed icky bug that made calling :new error out. |
| 01:03.35 | ckknight_ | woot. |
| 01:03.39 | cladhaire | yeah i can |
| 01:03.43 | cladhaire | but there's no need to for MBR |
| 01:03.45 | *** mode/#wowace [+o ckknight] by ChanServ |
| 01:03.50 | cladhaire | there is however for Clique/WD |
| 01:03.57 | ckknight | note: you have to upgrade to the new AceOO for the bug to be fixed properly. |
| 01:03.58 | JoshBorke | hm, i see what you're saying |
| 01:04.10 | JoshBorke | MBR was made because of the 1.11 bug |
| 01:04.11 | Tekkub | hrm... |
| 01:04.27 | Tekkub | so I think I'll rename my branch of FuBar_FriendsFu to tekFuriends |
| 01:04.27 | JoshBorke | now it'll be the same as long as you don'tp ull out any frames |
| 01:04.42 | Mikma | does that mean i have to update like 40x addons now to get rid of the bug? :O |
| 01:04.51 | Tekkub | FuFriends / Furry... |
| 01:04.54 | ckknight | are you on a Mac? |
| 01:04.58 | Mikma | yeap |
| 01:04.59 | Tekkub | == Furiends |
| 01:05.00 | cladhaire | no MBR wasn't made for the 1.11 bug |
| 01:05.03 | ckknight | yes, then, Mikma |
| 01:05.05 | cladhaire | MBR was made because blizzard_radUI sucked. |
| 01:05.13 | cladhaire | now it does what it should be doing. |
| 01:05.15 | Mikma | dayem :P |
| 01:05.23 | hyperChipmunk | yea, but the notes only say that they fixed the 1.11 bug |
| 01:05.31 | ckknight | but it won't show up again |
| 01:05.34 | Tekkub | ckk, it was a mac issue eh? |
| 01:05.38 | ckknight | no. |
| 01:05.39 | Tekkub | fruity fuckers |
| 01:05.41 | ckknight | Macs just suck. |
| 01:05.49 | hyperChipmunk | doesn't say anything about it not sucking anymore |
| 01:05.53 | ckknight | in the sense that they load arbtrarily. |
| 01:06.02 | ckknight | arbitrarily* |
| 01:06.12 | ckknight | Tekkub, it was an AceOO issue. |
| 01:06.16 | Tekkub | OptDeps FTW! |
| 01:06.20 | ckknight | basically what was happening: |
| 01:06.27 | ckknight | load old AceOO |
| 01:06.31 | ckknight | create new class |
| 01:06.34 | ckknight | load new AceOO |
| 01:06.46 | ckknight | MyClass:new() |
| 01:06.55 | Tekkub | so I need to push up a new version of BW? |
| 01:07.00 | ckknight | which _actually_ called the _old_ class_new method |
| 01:07.02 | ckknight | Tekkub, yea |
| 01:07.14 | ckknight | I'll also need to push a new FuBar |
| 01:07.17 | Tekkub | kk |
| 01:07.29 | ckknight | ah, hell |
| 01:07.40 | ckknight | upon reinstalling windows, I didn't save my packaging script. |
| 01:07.59 | Mikma | macs don't suck, they are just extra tender for errors ;) |
| 01:08.09 | ckknight | your mom's extra tender |
| 01:08.25 | Mikma | is she? tell me more please |
| 01:09.03 | Tekkub | gg ckk |
| 01:09.15 | Tekkub | you can have my script, but you'll not like it |
| 01:09.21 | Tekkub | it's a nasty ol batchfile |
| 01:09.41 | Tekkub | and it doesn't really do the neat changlog in any way I'd like |
| 01:10.08 | FryGuy- | !seen FtH|Eagle |
| 01:10.28 | ckknight | use ~ |
| 01:11.24 | *** join/#wowace Tupladz (n=Vlad@d54C52170.access.telenet.be) |
| 01:11.42 | Mikma | have no fear, vladimir is here |
| 01:11.54 | Tupladz | gaim .. |
| 01:12.31 | *** part/#wowace Theondry (i=user@adsl-69-152-147-98.dsl.elpstx.swbell.net) |
| 01:12.41 | MentalPower | ~seen FtH|Eagle |
| 01:12.53 | purl | fth|eagle <n=eagle@HSI-KBW-085-216-057-137.hsi.kabelbw.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 12h 38m 10s ago, saying: 'you can disable the feature if you like'. |
| 01:13.11 | Tuplad | Mikma: my name aitn vladimir ;\ |
| 01:13.15 | Tuplad | aint* |
| 01:13.30 | Mikma | ok vlad |
| 01:17.00 | JoshBorke | sure thing vlad |
| 01:20.47 | ckknight | shut up, vlad |
| 01:22.43 | Tuplad | -_- |
| 01:23.01 | Mikma | oh and i halted bartender2 development today, will get back to it after 9.9 |
| 01:23.55 | Tuplad | kk |
| 01:24.03 | *** part/#wowace Tuplad (n=tuplad@d54C52170.access.telenet.be) |
| 01:27.13 | Mikma | really... 7 accounts banned. as if |
| 01:27.31 | Mikma | or he's superrich and i have to be afraid that his dad comes to cut my fingers off |
| 01:31.19 | Thrae | Yawn |
| 01:32.25 | *** join/#wowace Caboose[FH] (n=Caboose9@cpe-66-8-166-76.hawaii.res.rr.com) |
| 01:33.28 | Tem | I hate vael |
| 01:33.47 | cladhaire | i dont like veal either |
| 01:33.51 | cladhaire | prefer beef or chicken |
| 01:34.15 | Tem | what type of beef? |
| 01:34.30 | Tem | btw, veal is awesome |
| 01:35.45 | cladhaire | i lied |
| 01:35.45 | Codayus_ | I read that as "Vael is awesome" at first. |
| 01:35.46 | cladhaire | i like veal =) |
| 01:36.57 | Codayus_ | Didn't make a lot of sense, really... |
| 01:37.15 | hyperChipmunk | ostill doesn't make sense |
| 01:37.30 | hyperChipmunk | oh, n/m |
| 01:37.33 | hyperChipmunk | Tem's a weirdo |
| 01:37.37 | hyperChipmunk | also, veal is awesome |
| 01:37.39 | Tem | vael sucks |
| 01:37.42 | Tem | veal is awesome |
| 01:37.57 | hyperChipmunk | I had veal parmesean for my birthday dinner on Sunday =D |
| 01:38.19 | hyperChipmunk | I stuffed myself and fell asleep for the rest of the day =P |
| 01:38.23 | Tem | happy birthday |
| 01:38.47 | hyperChipmunk | =D |
| 01:39.24 | cladhaire | happy birthday! |
| 01:39.36 | JoshBorke | WOOGHOO! GHOST DONE! |
| 01:39.47 | dreyruugr | ? |
| 01:42.05 | Thrae | I just made a description for MetaMap for my guild -- "Combination of WoWKB, MapNotes, AlphaMap, Atlas, and more. This thing is like a Decepticon - a huge, clunky transformer that you think should win, but never does." |
| 01:42.29 | Tem | damn you AceGUI! |
| 01:42.30 | Tem | 1 |
| 01:42.33 | Tem | AceGUI1** |
| 01:42.55 | JoshBorke | lol Thrae |
| 01:46.33 | hyperChipmunk | lol that's awesome |
| 01:48.15 | Tekkub | http://www.furaffinity.net/avatars/okiedogg.gif |
| 01:48.24 | Tekkub | that's up there with my Bacon Button :) |
| 01:57.32 | *** join/#wowace ckknight (i=ckknight@rrcs-74-62-251-102.west.biz.rr.com) |
| 01:57.44 | *** mode/#wowace [+o ckknight] by ChanServ |
| 01:58.08 | ckknight | hey again |
| 01:58.32 | JoshBorke | wb! |
| 02:00.19 | Tekkub | ckk.... |
| 02:00.21 | Tekkub | http://www.furaffinity.net/avatars/okiedogg.gif |
| 02:00.22 | Tekkub | :) |
| 02:02.01 | ckknight | hehe |
| 02:02.09 | ckknight | I was doing tech support |
| 02:05.45 | Industrial | lol tek |
| 02:12.13 | JoshBorke | g'night all |
| 02:12.22 | *** part/#wowace JoshBorke (n=Josh@jak-579.stl.gtri.gatech.edu) |
| 02:14.08 | CIA-11 | 03ckknight * r8130 10FuBarPlugin-2.0/FuBarPlugin-2.0/FuBarPlugin-2.0.lua: FuBarPlugin-2.0 - no longer shows show text/icon if self.db isn't available. |
| 02:14.59 | *** join/#wowace Kemayo (n=kemayo@pool-71-103-166-178.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) |
| 02:17.27 | CIA-11 | 03ckknight * r8131 10FuBar/FuBar.toc: FuBar - removed extra AceLocale from toc. |
| 02:17.49 | *** join/#wowace eternally777 (n=eternall@pool-72-70-158-89.hrbgpa.east.verizon.net) |
| 02:18.42 | *** join/#wowace ag` (n=andreasg@0x535cbbaa.bynxx18.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) |
| 02:18.55 | Kemayo | There we go. It's all about screen. |
| 02:20.09 | ckknight | hrm? |
| 02:26.14 | Tem | wheee |
| 02:26.26 | ckknight | good stuff, Tem |
| 02:26.34 | ckknight | me too ;-) |
| 02:29.21 | CIA-11 | 03ckknight * r8132 10FuBarPlugin-2.0/FuBarPlugin-2.0/FuBarPlugin-2.0.lua: FuBarPlugin-2.0 - bugfix |
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| 02:37.05 | CIA-11 | 03tardmrr * r8133 10Ace2/AceGUI-2.0/ (8 files): |
| 02:37.05 | CIA-11 | AceGUI-2.0: |
| 02:37.05 | CIA-11 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:37.05 | CIA-11 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:37.05 | CIA-11 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:37.06 | CIA-11 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:37.09 | CIA-11 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:40.51 | kergoth | i wrote a script to go through every file in the wowace repo, fix inconsistent line endings, and set the svn:eol-style property to native |
| 02:40.59 | kergoth | its still going, after 24 hours of processing |
| 02:41.08 | kergoth | methinks i need to find a more efficient means of doing that |
| 02:42.08 | haste_ | that can't be a positive sign tho' |
| 02:42.12 | haste_ | 24 hours of that work ;) |
| 02:42.16 | kergoth | no kididng |
| 02:42.22 | kergoth | a LOT of files with inconsistent line endings |
| 02:42.40 | kergoth | no wonder there are merge headaches left and right |
| 02:42.42 | hyperChipmunk | mis |
| 02:42.43 | hyperChipmunk | where's it at now? |
| 02:46.24 | *** join/#wowace dreyruugr (n=dreyruug@68-171-44-192.vnnyca.adelphia.net) |
| 02:47.56 | CIA-11 | 03tardmrr * r8134 10Ace2/AceGUI-2.0/AceGUITemplates-2.0.lua: AceGUI-2.0: Fixed highlight texture issues on the UICheckButton template. Lol @ my inability to notice the difference between "highlight" and "hightlight." |
| 02:48.51 | eternally777 | o.O what is AceGUI-2.0? And does it have any documentation yet? |
| 02:49.00 | Tem | no |
| 02:49.08 | Tem | it's still very much unfinished |
| 02:49.18 | eternally777 | Ok, then I'll wait to try it. |
| 02:50.39 | cladhaire | Ok |
| 02:50.43 | cladhaire | anyone willing to break something for me? |
| 02:51.56 | Tem | if I wasn't in BWL, clad, I'd love to |
| 02:52.06 | Tem | though, I'm really phoning it in tonight... |
| 02:52.15 | Tem | doing more AceGUI playing than BWL... |
| 02:52.43 | cladhaire | haha |
| 02:52.47 | cladhaire | where in bwl are you? |
| 03:03.38 | Tem | about to pull Firemaw |
| 03:16.21 | cladhaire | oh |
| 03:16.25 | cladhaire | you can slack during the drakes |
| 03:16.37 | cladhaire | http://dump.brokendreams.net/files/WatchDogParse.lua |
| 03:17.33 | cladhaire | We're going to use that to add text customization to aguf |
| 03:19.38 | cladhaire | ok |
| 03:19.42 | cladhaire | i'm going to bed. |
| 03:23.47 | kergoth | 20:19 < JarJarBinks> my mom who is 60 called me because she had problems with her homepage, she did not understand the concept of ftp, and she asked, why can't I just ssh to the server and edit it in vi ???? |
| 03:24.46 | hyperChipmunk | because ISPs are lame |
| 03:26.43 | eternally777 | I am anti-frames. |
| 03:27.06 | Tem | WOOT |
| 03:27.08 | Tem | 7/8 NW |
| 03:27.12 | Tem | got my gloves |
| 03:27.13 | Tem | finally |
| 03:27.20 | eternally777 | grats |
| 03:27.25 | CIA-11 | 03hshh * r8135 10AceWardrobe_UI/ (3 files): add command to toggle hide minimap icon: /awdui hide |
| 03:27.41 | Industrial | shitty americans and their guns - just lost a debate over it >:( |
| 03:27.47 | Industrial | oh crap, wrong channel |
| 03:27.50 | Industrial | :< |
| 03:34.01 | Tain | Congratulations Tem! |
| 03:34.27 | Tem | thanks :) |
| 03:34.51 | Tem | if we got double robe drops, I get 8/8 tonight |
| 03:34.54 | eternally777 | lol, just tried to write my own frames, and now I have a 800+ KiB/s increasing memory rate and my game is real choppy |
| 03:39.50 | Industrial | you know you only create frames one right? |
| 03:39.53 | Industrial | once* |
| 03:40.01 | Industrial | and then update the frames if they need changing |
| 03:42.59 | eternally777 | Know that? yes. |
| 03:43.23 | Tekkub | a mage named Hyperactive just joined my ZG raid :) |
| 03:43.25 | XLVII | what's the default hunter range? |
| 03:43.33 | hyperChipmunk | O_o |
| 03:43.34 | hyperChipmunk | 35 |
| 03:43.34 | eternally777 | self.knowledge.Frames = nil |
| 03:43.49 | CIA-11 | 03pprovost * r8136 10/branches/FuBar_ClockFu/: Created folder remotely |
| 03:43.52 | hyperChipmunk | though any self-respecting hunter has 41 |
| 03:44.52 | CIA-11 | 03pprovost 07PProvost * r8137 10FuBar_ClockFu/ (. ClockFu.lua ClockFuLocale-deDE.lua ClockFuLocale-enUS.lua): Fixes 'CLOCK' error in trunk. |
| 03:45.19 | XLVII | yeah, course. |
| 03:45.25 | XLVII | also |
| 03:45.30 | XLVII | how would i go about making an addon |
| 03:45.46 | XLVII | that automatically removes aspect of the cheetah when the hunter is stunned? |
| 03:45.49 | hyperChipmunk | ... |
| 03:46.03 | Tain | That doesn't happen anyway? |
| 03:46.12 | hyperChipmunk | find one of the ones that are already out there and copy it |
| 03:46.15 | hyperChipmunk | no, it doesn't |
| 03:46.27 | Tain | huh.. well, I gave up on my hunter at level 20ish. |
| 03:47.03 | Tain | Although I wouldn't mind just having a 60 Hunter to raid with. Easiest raiding class out there. |
| 03:48.03 | XLVII | mage would be the easiest class, lol. |
| 03:48.07 | XLVII | just sit spamming frostbolt |
| 03:48.26 | Tain | No, mages have to do more. |
| 03:48.39 | Tain | In fact playing a mage in MC caused me to quit the game. |
| 03:48.41 | hyperChipmunk | so do hunters |
| 03:48.49 | hyperChipmunk | so do all classes |
| 03:48.55 | hyperChipmunk | you just don't see it until you've played them |
| 03:49.09 | Tain | Rah bah bah we have 2 hunters who do anything, the rest stand back and shoot. |
| 03:49.35 | hyperChipmunk | that's your own fault for wasting raid slots then |
| 03:49.51 | Tain | Pretentious much? |
| 03:50.43 | hyperChipmunk | no, just intolerant of lazy raiders who just tag along for the loot |
| 03:51.17 | Tain | The vast majority of a raid force is there to assist and attack. It's a handful that do anything more. |
| 03:51.51 | Tain | Substitute attack with heal/cure when needed. |
| 03:52.17 | Tain | As long as you have 4 or 5 competant people the rest just have to follow directions. |
| 03:54.33 | hyperChipmunk | good hunters are the raid's agro control |
| 03:55.26 | hyperChipmunk | no other class has the level of snap agro generation AND dumping that hunters do |
| 03:56.49 | Tain | That's true, but extremely situational as to when it's needed. Especially since they can't control where the aggro goes when they FD. |
| 03:57.05 | hyperChipmunk | it's the difference between a choppy raid with lots of cleanup between pulls and unnecessary boss deaths and a smooth raid that keeps moving |
| 03:57.50 | Tain | That's your one or two useful hunters like I said. |
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| 04:05.22 | Thrae | Goddamn that was an annoying project, making a "list of addons that don't suck" for my guild. |
| 04:05.55 | eternally777 | sounds like fun to me |
| 04:05.59 | Industrial | yea |
| 04:05.59 | Industrial | :P |
| 04:06.08 | hyperChipmunk | oh wow tekprober is nice |
| 04:06.10 | eternally777 | ~roulette |
| 04:06.12 | purl | ACTION watches eternally777 pull the trigger: Click! |
| 04:06.18 | Industrial | I actually started fresh today and cut back on what I use |
| 04:06.27 | Industrial | whats tekprober |
| 04:06.30 | Zeryl | ~tryme |
| 04:06.31 | purl | ACTION spins the revolver, points it at Nightdew and fires. Click. |
| 04:06.37 | Industrial | ~roulette |
| 04:06.39 | purl | ACTION watches industrial pull the trigger: Click! |
| 04:06.58 | *** part/#wowace Zeryl (i=Zeryl@24-217-202-34.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) |
| 04:07.29 | Thrae | I'm at around 30MB pre-group/raid, 45MB post-group/raid, and 0-5KB/s idle outside of raid, 15KB/s idle in raid |
| 04:07.42 | Thrae | Not too bad, I still have some mods that need optimizing. |
| 04:07.47 | CIA-11 | 03pprovost * r8138 10FuBar_PoisonFu/Core.lua: Minor update to the menu layout. |
| 04:08.40 | hyperChipmunk | Industrial: a table-watcher |
| 04:08.47 | Industrial | eh? |
| 04:08.48 | kergoth | whew, doing this script in native windows perl instead of inside of colinux is much faster |
| 04:09.29 | hyperChipmunk | you plug in a table, and it keeps track of it |
| 04:09.39 | hyperChipmunk | and you can click-navigate through it |
| 04:09.48 | hyperChipmunk | and see the elements of each subtable |
| 04:11.23 | hyperChipmunk | like, i set it to AceLibrary("AceTab-2.0").registry and I can easily see what's registered and what the structure is; would have been godsend when I was developing it =) |
| 04:12.30 | Industrial | Thrae, CTRA? KLHT? Recap? SWSTATS? gatherer? ctmapmod? metamap? auctioneer? mobinfo2? |
| 04:12.45 | Industrial | (you posted it on the forum) |
| 04:12.45 | Industrial | :P |
| 04:12.51 | Industrial | hyperChipmunk, nice! |
| 04:12.59 | Industrial | Tekkub, nice! |
| 04:13.13 | Tekkub | eh/ |
| 04:13.17 | Tekkub | ? |
| 04:13.17 | Thrae | Industrial: CTMapMod is the smallest map database addon out there, but still needs to at least have the CT_MasterMod dependency removed |
| 04:13.21 | hyperChipmunk | tekProbe |
| 04:13.27 | Tekkub | ^^ |
| 04:13.29 | Industrial | :D |
| 04:13.41 | Tekkub | and tekSupport |
| 04:13.42 | Thrae | I posted it on the non-Ace section of the forums anyway ;) |
| 04:13.43 | hyperChipmunk | I took the plunge and got probulated, and I couldn't be happier |
| 04:14.07 | hyperChipmunk | no use yet for tekSupport |
| 04:14.11 | hyperChipmunk | for me anyway |
| 04:14.16 | Industrial | whats tekSupport? |
| 04:14.25 | Industrial | Tekkub, found a new naming scheme? |
| 04:14.26 | hyperChipmunk | looks like an OnEvent/OnUpdate monitor |
| 04:14.27 | Industrial | \o/ |
| 04:14.34 | Tekkub | yes indie |
| 04:14.36 | hyperChipmunk | and a pretty good one, too |
| 04:14.38 | Industrial | gud :D |
| 04:14.39 | hyperChipmunk | I just don't have use for it =) |
| 04:14.43 | Tekkub | need something to name tekDegree tho |
| 04:14.55 | hyperChipmunk | =x guild on my server <Snakes on a Zeppelin> |
| 04:15.15 | Industrial | lol |
| 04:15.28 | hyperChipmunk | shoulda been Naga |
| 04:17.09 | hyperChipmunk | it's addictive |
| 04:18.02 | hyperChipmunk | hm |
| 04:18.14 | hyperChipmunk | [2006/08/16 00:17:42-242]: tekProber\Core.lua:82: Cannot access key "AceConsole" in db table. You may want to use db.profile["AceConsole"] |
| 04:18.23 | hyperChipmunk | the previous table had an entry AceConsole |
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| 04:19.00 | hyperChipmunk | but this one doesnt' |
| 04:20.42 | Industrial | http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=1790.new#new |
| 04:21.44 | hyperChipmunk | and disabling tekSupport disables tekProbe |
| 04:23.18 | Industrial | Tem, KaeltenAway, http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=1790.new#new |
| 04:23.22 | Industrial | ;\ |
| 04:24.33 | Tem | I can't create sub forums |
| 04:24.37 | Tem | Kael has to do that |
| 04:24.39 | Industrial | k |
| 04:24.56 | Industrial | It'd really be nice and they would fill automatically if people add new addons |
| 04:24.56 | Industrial | :P |
| 04:32.54 | hyperChipmunk | that'd suck horribly |
| 04:33.06 | hyperChipmunk | i don't want forums for my mods |
| 04:33.21 | hyperChipmunk | if I want someone's opinion, I'll ask for it |
| 04:34.11 | Thrae | Just give them the forums anyway, and never read them. |
| 04:35.51 | hyperChipmunk | and if someone has a bug, they'll expect me to read them |
| 04:36.31 | hyperChipmunk | there was a whole BulkMail thread that I didn't even know about, and people were all 'why haven't you done this? people been talking about it for a month' |
| 04:36.38 | hyperChipmunk | i'm like, 'they have?' |
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| 04:40.23 | CIA-11 | 03tardmrr * r8139 10Ace2/AceGUI-2.0/ (4 files): |
| 04:40.23 | CIA-11 | AceGUI-2.0: |
| 04:40.23 | CIA-11 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:40.23 | CIA-11 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:40.23 | CIA-11 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:48.06 | Tekkub | http://www.furaffinity.net/view/186346/ |
| 04:48.12 | Tekkub | you like this one better hC? |
| 04:49.28 | Thrae | A site for chit-chat between furries? |
| 04:49.43 | Tekkub | chat? heh |
| 04:49.48 | Tekkub | it's mostly porn :) |
| 04:49.52 | Tekkub | but that's not |
| 04:49.57 | Tekkub | it's good, you'll like it |
| 04:50.13 | Industrial | hyperChipmunk, I mean subforms for mod categories |
| 04:50.19 | Industrial | hyperChipmunk, not a thread of every mod |
| 04:50.34 | Industrial | %s/mod/addon/g |
| 04:53.45 | Industrial | blah servers offline for another 4 hours |
| 04:54.22 | Thrae | I need to go through the list of addons I just made and see all the ones that only have SVN updates which are near-completed and ask the authors to release, giving them descriptions and screenshots. |
| 04:54.42 | Thrae | Because I'm a damn perfectionist and some of the guild members I like are still computer illiterate. |
| 04:56.06 | Thrae | Of course, all of this is just procrastinating on helping rophy with ParserLib, as that means I have to go through the painful process of learning someone ELSE's code. Any code I write myself I have easily memorized, but someone else's code... |
| 04:57.16 | Tem | wow... that's like 6 weeks in a row |
| 04:57.19 | Tem | fucking time lapse |
| 04:57.35 | Thrae | Tem: Eh? |
| 04:57.56 | Tem | Chromaggus |
| 04:58.02 | Thrae | Nani? Nan desu ka? Por que? Wha? |
| 04:58.13 | Thrae | Oh, I thought -you- had a time lapse of 6 weeks :D |
| 04:58.36 | Thrae | Here I was, thinking "Tem goes on drinking binges?" |
| 05:01.11 | hyperChipmunk | who said he doesn't? =x |
| 05:27.13 | Health | Detox any good? |
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| 05:31.35 | snurre | geez |
| 05:31.39 | snurre | i r drunk :( |
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| 05:32.28 | *** mode/#wowace [+o ckknight] by ChanServ |
| 05:32.30 | ckknight | hey all |
| 05:32.33 | Health | yo |
| 05:32.35 | snurre | meow |
| 05:33.01 | ckknight | Tem, got rid of all of AceGUI's globals yet? |
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| 05:39.50 | Tem | ckknight, one remains |
| 05:39.53 | Tem | and it needs to stay |
| 05:39.57 | ckknight | no! |
| 05:40.00 | ckknight | why? |
| 05:40.01 | Tem | ACEGUI2_REGISTRY |
| 05:40.03 | ckknight | why? |
| 05:40.20 | Tem | I could do some kind of silly AceLibrary thing to make it not a global |
| 05:40.24 | Tem | but that would just be silly |
| 05:40.30 | ckknight | wouldn't it be better at AceLibrary("AceGUI-2.0").registry? |
| 05:40.40 | Tem | but it's a mixin |
| 05:40.42 | Tem | is that lega? |
| 05:40.44 | Tem | legal* |
| 05:40.48 | ckknight | of course. |
| 05:40.52 | ckknight | I do it all the time in Ace2 |
| 05:40.57 | ckknight | AceEvent.registry |
| 05:41.04 | ckknight | AceEvent is a mixin ;-) |
| 05:41.07 | ckknight | don't use globals. |
| 05:49.04 | CIA-11 | 03badhex * r8140 10AceWardrobe/AceWardrobe.lua: 3.2.1 Fixed an error with the ammo slot and saved outfits |
| 05:50.04 | ckknight | who is badhex? |
| 05:50.09 | CIA-11 | 03badhex * r8141 10AceWardrobe_UI/AceWardrobe_UI.lua: 3.2.1 Fixed an error with the ammo slot and saved outfits |
| 05:50.15 | ckknight | he's not marking his commits correctly. |
| 05:51.04 | CIA-11 | 03kebinusan * r8142 10BigWigs/Naxxramas/Maexxna.lua: BigWigs: Maexxna fixed a couple typo's @ line 174 with the cocoontrigger breaking the mod. Should function properly now. |
| 05:57.17 | Kyahx|afk | I haven't seen anything on the forums about AceWardrob_UI |
| 05:57.26 | Kyahx | Nor a badhex registerd =/ |
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| 05:59.13 | CIA-11 | 03fryguy * r8143 10BigWigs/Naxxramas/ (Grobbulus.lua Horsemen.lua Maexxna.lua): BigWigs: Use alarm sound for getting injected in grobbulus. Better mark timing on Four Horsemen. Fix for cacoon thing in Maexxna. |
| 06:00.00 | Tem | ckknight, I'll change that crap tomorrow at work |
| 06:00.07 | ckknight | k |
| 06:04.01 | Kyahx | is AceGUI too new to have documentation yet/ |
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| 06:08.25 | CIA-11 | 03fryguy * r8144 10BigWigs/Naxxramas/Maexxna.lua: BigWigs: Maexxna fix. Sorry for undoing your change kebinusan. |
| 06:09.27 | hyperChipmunk | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:09.33 | hyperChipmunk | er, Kyahx|afk |
| 06:09.44 | Kebinusan | go go nick tab completion |
| 06:10.00 | Health | GIGGLE |
| 06:10.03 | hyperChipmunk | screw you |
| 06:10.29 | hyperChipmunk | >8p |
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| 06:13.39 | Health | I should add target of target to dhud - not sure how I want it visially though |
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| 06:19.05 | Health | How much details do you get to see with the regular target of target? All buffs and debuffs and such? |
| 06:19.16 | vhaarr | everything, yes |
| 06:19.30 | vhaarr | ah, you mean with blizzards ToT display? |
| 06:19.40 | Health | Yeah |
| 06:19.48 | vhaarr | I've actually never used it, so I have no idea. |
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| 06:20.00 | Health | A wanted feature in dhud, but the development has stopped |
| 06:20.21 | Health | http://85.230.25.118/img/dhud.jpg - added raid icon support at least :p |
| 06:21.55 | vhaarr | Titan oO |
| 06:22.30 | Health | Heh - I have actually been looking for the latest version of Fubar |
| 06:22.47 | Health | Will change it when servers are back up |
| 06:24.50 | Health | I don't even use any spectacular plugins for it.. so it shouldn't be painful |
| 06:25.08 | Health | Is the 2.0 version stable enough? |
| 06:26.07 | CIA-11 | 03fryguy * r8145 10BigWigs/Naxxramas/Maexxna.lua: BigWigs: Maexxna: Throttling that may work! |
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| 06:31.06 | vhaarr | Are we getting patched? I just got home from 18h work. |
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| 06:32.02 | Health | Not 1.12 - but some sort of hot fix to handle the mad lag lately |
| 06:32.10 | vhaarr | Ah, cool. |
| 06:32.36 | Health | Reverting the temporary item buff between zoning addition they made.. |
| 06:33.01 | vhaarr | Yeah, I know, it takes alot of server capacity to keep that up. |
| 06:33.03 | Health | Which apparently was pretty resource intense |
| 06:33.45 | vhaarr | Because different servers are used for instances, the continents, etc, and synchronizing those are not cheap. |
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| 06:34.20 | *** mode/#wowace [+o ckknight] by ChanServ |
| 06:35.11 | ckknight | reading people's crazy rantings is kinda funny and interesting |
| 06:35.21 | FryGuy- | those whole 32 extra bytes attached to a several kilobyte character profile.. sure expensive :p |
| 06:35.39 | Health | :P |
| 06:35.55 | FryGuy- | heh now is not the best time to read wow forums |
| 06:35.57 | vhaarr | yeah true, they already have to sync alot :P |
| 06:36.05 | FryGuy- | SOOo much 25v40 dickfighting |
| 06:36.15 | vhaarr | heh |
| 06:36.21 | Health | I guess the items/item db isn't as felxible as the character one.. the implementation of it |
| 06:39.25 | Elkano | ckknight, any chance that you update AutoAttack? tekkub updated SSEAura to use 2.0 libs so the courrent version on svn doesn't work |
| 06:39.36 | ckknight | probably not |
| 06:40.18 | ckknight | I though I wouldn't be against anyone else taking it and updating it |
| 06:43.04 | Kemayo | Ace2ing an Ace1 mod is generally quite easy, so any hypothetical updater wouldn't have a hard time of it. |
| 06:45.27 | vhaarr | ckknight: http://www.wowace.com/flyspray/?do=details&id=171 - for some reason that code won't show the Hint I set either, want me to file another bug on that? |
| 06:45.42 | vhaarr | ckknight: it doesn't show the hint even if I set data or detachedData. |
| 06:46.23 | ckknight | s |
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| 06:55.08 | maia | morning... |
| 06:55.53 | vhaarr | morning |
| 06:56.01 | Thiana | Hmm, is there a function to return the link for an item given the code? Or do I have to build it from GetItemInfo? |
| 06:56.22 | maia | tekkub isn't around by any chance, is he? |
| 06:56.48 | ckknight | Thiana, I build it |
| 06:57.02 | Thiana | ckknight: k, thanks |
| 06:57.04 | ckknight | hrm, this guy promises immortality through magnets |
| 06:57.12 | ckknight | how ...unscientific |
| 06:57.28 | ckknight | Thiana, code's in AceComm, just search for GetItemInfo |
| 06:57.39 | Thiana | Perfect! Thank you :) |
| 06:59.13 | ckknight | man, I wish I could achieve immortality |
| 06:59.27 | ckknight | I mean, that'd be my wish if I were to find a genie |
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| 06:59.54 | Health | So you could code UI stuff whole life! Horray! :p |
| 06:59.59 | Health | Hooray even! |
| 07:00.48 | ckknight | it may seem sad, but I'd probably do just that |
| 07:01.03 | ckknight | actually, I would amass a lot of wealth more likely. |
| 07:01.10 | ckknight | invest in commodities. |
| 07:03.13 | CIA-11 | 03maia * r8146 10ProximityLib/Lib/ProximityLib.lua: ProximityLib: fix for raid pets |
| 07:03.18 | [Ammo] | morning |
| 07:03.30 | ckknight | and the defense industry doesn't look like it's going to go away |
| 07:03.35 | ckknight | that'd be good to invest in |
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| 07:04.22 | Kemayo | This is the awesomest IRC-client theme: http://irssi.org/themefiles/c0ders.png |
| 07:04.28 | CIA-11 | 03rabbit * r8147 10BigWigs/Naxxramas/Horsemen.lua: BigWigs: Horsemen: Maexxna is not in this fight, I think. |
| 07:04.55 | Health | Hehe |
| 07:05.30 | [Ammo] | I wonder what I messed up on the throttling on Maexxna |
| 07:05.36 | Health | Auto removal of skulls yet ammo? :p |
| 07:05.43 | [Ammo] | no |
| 07:06.04 | Health | I'll dare to use BigWigs in BWL tonight! |
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| 07:07.17 | CIA-11 | 03rabbit * r8148 10BigWigs/MC/Ragnaros.lua: BigWigs: Ragnaros: Patch from Sirian to stop the scheduled AoE knockback warning when he submerges. |
| 07:08.30 | [Ammo] | fryguy are you here? |
| 07:08.33 | FryGuy- | yes |
| 07:08.41 | FryGuy- | he used prior instead of self.prior |
| 07:08.46 | FryGuy- | and.. it never reset |
| 07:09.11 | ckknight | okay, this magnet guy also has a bunch of weird philosophical/religious stuff on his site as well |
| 07:09.22 | ckknight | http://www.alexchiu.com/ <-- what I'm looking at |
| 07:09.23 | FryGuy- | so only the first webspray triggered |
| 07:09.25 | CIA-11 | 03ammo * r8149 10BigWigs/Naxxramas/Maexxna.lua: |
| 07:09.25 | CIA-11 | BigWigs (Naxxramas): |
| 07:09.25 | CIA-11 | * Don't touch throttling you don't understand. |
| 07:09.35 | FryGuy- | hey |
| 07:09.36 | [Ammo] | because you guys fucked it up kk |
| 07:09.41 | FryGuy- | i didn't :/ |
| 07:09.43 | [Ammo] | mixing self.prior and prior |
| 07:09.44 | FryGuy- | it was broken |
| 07:09.48 | [Ammo] | it worked |
| 07:09.50 | FryGuy- | seriously |
| 07:09.51 | [Ammo] | I fixed it again |
| 07:09.54 | FryGuy- | i have videos to prove it! |
| 07:10.08 | Health | Show or it didn't happen! |
| 07:10.13 | FryGuy- | I WILL! |
| 07:10.16 | [Ammo] | yeah well it's all prior now |
| 07:10.22 | [Ammo] | instead of self.prior |
| 07:10.28 | FryGuy- | is prior local now? |
| 07:10.30 | [Ammo] | yeah |
| 07:10.36 | [Ammo] | it was like that when I fixed it |
| 07:10.46 | [Ammo] | so someone else fucked it up then |
| 07:11.39 | vhaarr | nah, wasn't me, but I was thinking about making it 3 bars now |
| 07:11.54 | vhaarr | but then my guild went ahead and killed maexxna when I was at work, the bastards |
| 07:12.28 | [Ammo] | and why is there an L"you" when the locale table says You |
| 07:12.30 | [Ammo] | sigh |
| 07:12.35 | FryGuy- | ! |
| 07:12.38 | Health | Anyone had trash drops on pre-boss trash mobs during the few last days? |
| 07:12.47 | FISKER_Q | i'm bored :( |
| 07:12.55 | FryGuy- | then fix the localization table |
| 07:13.00 | FryGuy- | L"you" is undefined! |
| 07:13.19 | [Ammo] | L"You" is defined |
| 07:13.23 | CIA-11 | 03ammo * r8150 10BigWigs/Naxxramas/Maexxna.lua: BigWigs (Maexxna)): locale fix |
| 07:13.25 | [Ammo] | see the US locale table. |
| 07:13.32 | vhaarr | it was you :P |
| 07:13.36 | vhaarr | http://svn.wowace.com/svnweb/index.cgi/root/revision/?rev=8095 |
| 07:13.38 | [Ammo] | oh shit |
| 07:13.39 | FryGuy- | ya it was you |
| 07:13.39 | [Ammo] | meh |
| 07:13.42 | [Ammo] | anyway |
| 07:13.50 | [Ammo] | fix it correctly then :) |
| 07:13.54 | vhaarr | :P |
| 07:14.19 | FryGuy- | well |
| 07:14.23 | [Ammo] | ohwell |
| 07:14.24 | FryGuy- | i was doing maexxna |
| 07:14.26 | [Ammo] | need coffee |
| 07:14.27 | FryGuy- | it errored |
| 07:14.36 | FryGuy- | I tried to fix it fast so we'd have it the next attempt :/ |
| 07:15.11 | CIA-11 | 03ammo * r8151 10BigWigs/Naxxramas/Maexxna.lua: BigWigs (Maexxna): Ok, I do need coffee, sorry guys :( |
| 07:15.16 | [Ammo] | sorry |
| 07:15.18 | [Ammo] | my fault |
| 07:15.25 | FryGuy- | :P |
| 07:15.28 | [Ammo] | anyway |
| 07:15.31 | [Ammo] | it's fixed now |
| 07:15.48 | [Ammo] | did the cocoon thing announce stuff btw? |
| 07:15.50 | FryGuy- | yes |
| 07:15.55 | [Ammo] | coolio |
| 07:15.56 | FryGuy- | after I fixed the "you" "You thing |
| 07:15.59 | [Ammo] | yeah |
| 07:16.17 | vhaarr | Thaddius sucks. |
| 07:16.27 | vhaarr | There are no combat log events for when you get the polarity debuff. |
| 07:17.02 | FryGuy- | the one with a count? |
| 07:17.08 | vhaarr | None of them. |
| 07:17.15 | FryGuy- | heh |
| 07:17.18 | FryGuy- | didn't think so |
| 07:17.19 | vhaarr | neither the count debuff or the actual debuff. |
| 07:17.33 | [Ammo] | anyway |
| 07:17.36 | vhaarr | You'd think it would fire a CHAT_MSG_SPELL_PERIODIC_SELF_DAMAGE. |
| 07:17.37 | [Ammo] | now to do my actualy changes |
| 07:17.37 | FryGuy- | you get the UNIT_BUFF event thorugh right? |
| 07:17.45 | vhaarr | hrm |
| 07:17.54 | FryGuy- | oh and faerlina enrage thing is still broken :( |
| 07:17.59 | vhaarr | I know |
| 07:18.00 | [Ammo] | adjusting Messages.lua to send to MSBT and SCT, and after 1.12 to blizzards SCT thing |
| 07:18.13 | FryGuy- | ooh :O |
| 07:18.13 | [Ammo] | euhm it's random |
| 07:18.17 | [Ammo] | from 55-70 seonds |
| 07:18.20 | FryGuy- | no i mean |
| 07:18.20 | vhaarr | [Ammo]: As an option, I presume? |
| 07:18.21 | [Ammo] | so yeah it's broken ofcourse |
| 07:18.23 | [Ammo] | as an option |
| 07:18.32 | FryGuy- | if you silence early |
| 07:18.32 | vhaarr | good |
| 07:18.46 | FryGuy- | we silence one right at the start, and it resets the 55 seconds left timer to 30 :/ |
| 07:18.58 | [Ammo] | right at start hmm |
| 07:19.00 | [Ammo] | ok that I can fix |
| 07:19.03 | vhaarr | [Ammo]: Just make it send to WitchHunt and it can redirect? :) |
| 07:19.45 | vhaarr | FryGuy-: you mean UNIT_AURA? |
| 07:20.25 | vhaarr | hm, I guess I could use that |
| 07:20.41 | FryGuy- | pssh whatever :p |
| 07:20.52 | [Ammo] | wonder why it does that btw fry |
| 07:22.34 | CIA-11 | 03ammo * r8152 10BigWigs/Naxxramas/Faerlina.lua: BigWigs (Faerlina): changed > to < :) |
| 07:22.38 | [Ammo] | I think I found it :) |
| 07:23.16 | Health | I have a big mousepad! |
| 07:24.07 | Gngsk | I have no mousepad |
| 07:24.16 | FryGuy- | ah i see |
| 07:24.24 | FryGuy- | I wouldn't have caught that either |
| 07:24.26 | FryGuy- | stupid time :p |
| 07:24.45 | CIA-11 | 03ammo * r8153 10BigWigs/Naxxramas/Faerlina.lua: |
| 07:24.45 | CIA-11 | BigWigs (Faerlina): |
| 07:24.45 | CIA-11 | * Swapped silence and enrage around to ensure the correct silence message |
| 07:24.57 | Health | http://85.230.25.118/img/DSCN1121.JPG |
| 07:25.01 | [Ammo] | I've had a coffee now |
| 07:25.08 | [Ammo] | I think much clearer after coffee |
| 07:25.13 | [Ammo] | and am a much more agreeable guy :p |
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| 07:26.03 | FryGuy- | :) |
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| 07:26.21 | FryGuy- | i don't like coffee |
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| 07:26.30 | FryGuy- | anyways it's midnight thirty, so i'm gonna go to sleep :p |
| 07:27.48 | ckknight | "Who ever takes this pill and uses Alex Chiu's Immortality Devices is considered a HUMAN TYPE II. (the more superior type of human)" |
| 07:27.49 | ckknight | lol. |
| 07:28.37 | Health | Haha |
| 07:28.58 | Health | ckknight, http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3340629351038859696 |
| 07:29.02 | Health | Fun one |
| 07:29.19 | ckknight | I like his ideas on world peace through capitalism, though |
| 07:29.31 | ckknight | Health, I've seen every Bullshit episode |
| 07:30.03 | Health | I've seen.. that one. |
| 07:30.04 | ckknight | here's a fun fact: they're not always right, or they're always _fully_ right |
| 07:30.13 | ckknight | take what they say with a grain of salt |
| 07:30.15 | Amafi | Penn and Teller are awesome...too bad they didn't get a fourth season |
| 07:30.28 | Health | Any other specific ep you recommend? |
| 07:30.31 | ckknight | Amafi, yea, I know. Except I've seen the fourth season. |
| 07:30.42 | Amafi | wha? |
| 07:31.17 | ckknight | Health, PETA's a good one |
| 07:31.42 | ckknight | their one on hypnosis was total crap, a lot of what was said was construed in such a way that makes it all seem bad, when it isn't |
| 07:31.50 | ckknight | same with a lot of their stuff |
| 07:31.57 | ckknight | I mean, take it all with a grain of salt |
| 07:31.57 | Amafi | PETA one was good...and I really liked the "best" |
| 07:32.07 | Amafi | and the water one |
| 07:32.15 | ckknight | Recycling's a good one, too |
| 07:32.18 | Amafi | aye |
| 07:32.25 | ckknight | I knew about that before watching the show, though |
| 07:32.32 | Amafi | and the bit on second hand smoking |
| 07:33.02 | ckknight | Amafi, fun fact: The American Medical Association did new tests recently on that proving that second hand smoke is bad for you. |
| 07:33.09 | Amafi | I know |
| 07:33.17 | ckknight | this doesn't use the former, bad data |
| 07:33.39 | Amafi | that doesn't change the fact that the WHO,and the media lied and misrepresented their data |
| 07:33.48 | Amafi | I don't doubt that it's bad at all |
| 07:33.57 | ckknight | although I hate smoking, and I would never prevent anyone else from doing it, I don't want my health to be infringed upon. |
| 07:34.07 | Amafi | I just don't think it's as bad as these anti-smoking crusaders want to make it seem |
| 07:34.50 | ckknight | right. |
| 07:35.03 | ckknight | but it's not as good as the tobacco companes want to make it seem. |
| 07:35.12 | Amafi | and I don't trust anyone who comes out saying "my stated objective is to ban smoking world-wide in 5 years" |
| 07:35.23 | Amafi | and then goes on to lead the WHO |
| 07:35.49 | ckknight | here's a fun quote from the Chinese government to its people: |
| 07:35.55 | Amafi | and,surprise,surprise,they lie about their own data,and use that to try and ban smoking |
| 07:36.02 | Amafi | god damn Brundtland :( |
| 07:36.17 | ckknight | "Carry the cigarette in your mouth as if it were a cane, to carry you throughout the day" |
| 07:36.24 | ckknight | yea, smoking won't go away. |
| 07:37.40 | ckknight | I frankly don't think the government should be stopping me from full ownership of my body/mind. If I want to put something into my body that they morally disapprove of, they shouldn't have the power to stop me |
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| 07:39.46 | ckknight | so though I will never personally smoke, and wouldn't want someone next to me smoking, I would never want to enforce prohibition on it |
| 07:40.27 | Amafi | I've smoked for...14 years now |
| 07:41.06 | Amafi | and I've always tried to be considerate...if someone has a stroller,or a kid,or whatever,I don't light up near them |
| 07:41.07 | ckknight | alright |
| 07:41.22 | ckknight | good stuff |
| 07:41.26 | ckknight | where you live, btw? |
| 07:41.52 | Amafi | but the last 5 years or so,this moral superioirity,randoms coming over telling me how bad it is...makes me want to put it out on their cornea |
| 07:41.57 | Amafi | norway |
| 07:42.34 | Amafi | I mean,I've had people cross the freakin road,just to walk past me and cough? |
| 07:42.40 | Amafi | that's an asshole |
| 07:42.51 | ckknight | yea |
| 07:43.11 | ckknight | I try to avoid people who smoke, cause I don't like the smell |
| 07:44.02 | ckknight | but I would never want to infringe on their liberty to do so |
| 07:44.21 | Cartas | ,,, |
| 07:44.35 | Cartas | Their liberty to slowly kill themselves and others around them, against their will? |
| 07:44.47 | ckknight | why are others hanging around them? |
| 07:44.51 | Amafi | do you drive a car? |
| 07:45.04 | Amafi | if so,you're slowly killing my planet,stop plx |
| 07:45.08 | Cartas | I don't. |
| 07:45.16 | Cartas | And it's not your planet, is it? :P |
| 07:45.21 | Amafi | do you use electricity? |
| 07:45.36 | Cartas | Hm, your points seem rather invalid. |
| 07:45.48 | Cartas | Smoking holds no real purpose, as driving a car does. |
| 07:46.09 | ckknight | if others are hanging around them, then it's their responsibility to avoid them |
| 07:46.18 | ckknight | Cartas, smoking gives you pep. |
| 07:46.24 | Cartas | Pep? |
| 07:46.27 | ckknight | and keeps you thin |
| 07:46.36 | ckknight | nicotine isn't all bad. |
| 07:46.44 | ckknight | yes, it's addictive and poisonous |
| 07:46.49 | ckknight | but still, there are its good sides |
| 07:47.00 | ckknight | it temporarily increases endorphin output |
| 07:47.03 | ckknight | and such |
| 07:47.17 | ckknight | so don't say there is "no real purpose" |
| 07:47.29 | Cartas | There isn't, really. |
| 07:47.35 | Cartas | Just people are addicted, so they want to smoke. |
| 07:47.38 | ckknight | although I think the bad outweighs the good, it's not my decision to force everyone to not smoke |
| 07:47.45 | Industrial | Big companies, big governments, big money. |
| 07:47.54 | Cartas | Hm, CKknight... |
| 07:48.05 | Cartas | So, you don't think theft should be illegal? |
| 07:48.08 | Cartas | Or suicide? |
| 07:48.12 | Cartas | Or murder? |
| 07:48.18 | Industrial | suicide no :P |
| 07:48.21 | ckknight | anti-murder, though |
| 07:48.25 | ckknight | smoking is a tax on the poor, anyway |
| 07:48.28 | Industrial | go jump off a bridge I dont care |
| 07:48.45 | ckknight | or get cancer and give yourself a shot to put yourself to sleep |
| 07:49.00 | Amafi | what would you make the penalty for suicide? |
| 07:49.14 | Industrial | Amafi, death :P |
| 07:49.23 | Amafi | yeah,that sounds fair :) |
| 07:49.33 | Amafi | possibly a three strikes deal |
| 07:49.41 | Cartas | I've no idea why suicide was made illegal :O |
| 07:49.53 | Amafi | that way you'd only kill the ones that are serious,just incompetent |
| 07:50.00 | ckknight | lol |
| 07:50.27 | Amafi | I mean,some people do it wrong |
| 07:50.34 | Industrial | We need kill-o-booths like in futurama |
| 07:50.35 | ckknight | fun fact: though the rates of men and women attempting suicide is near-equal, more men are successful on the first attempt, whereas more women need multiple times to get it right |
| 07:50.36 | ckknight | ~wrists |
| 07:50.40 | purl | Remember, emo kids, it's down the street, not across the road! |
| 07:51.19 | Cartas | Cutting your wrists seems like a bad way to commit suicide... |
| 07:51.25 | Amafi | I read stats a couple of years ago about how probable you were to drive over someone if you're a train conductor guy |
| 07:51.34 | ckknight | Cartas, yea, it is. |
| 07:51.43 | Cartas | Not very professional. |
| 07:51.52 | Amafi | and it was really likely that you would,considering you did it for 15 years |
| 07:51.53 | Kemayo | Wasn't suicide made illegal so that suicidal people could be compelled to get counselling? |
| 07:52.09 | Amafi | suicide by proxy is just selfish |
| 07:52.15 | ckknight | Kemayo, maybe. whatever. there's enough people living on earth anyway |
| 07:52.18 | Industrial | now we're talking about death |
| 07:52.20 | `-FISKER_Q\ | suicide is the under the same law as murder as far as i know |
| 07:52.21 | Industrial | ban guns |
| 07:52.23 | Industrial | :P |
| 07:52.25 | ckknight | no! |
| 07:52.28 | ckknight | I want my guns |
| 07:52.29 | Cartas | Death could be good :o |
| 07:52.48 | `-FISKER_Q\ | Oh and it's very probable for a train conductor |
| 07:52.51 | Industrial | the only ones that should require guns are law enforcing people aka the police |
| 07:52.52 | `-FISKER_Q\ | I kinda feel bad for them |
| 07:52.59 | Industrial | and even then only as a last resort |
| 07:53.05 | `-FISKER_Q\ | Here there are people who purposely jump over the rails before a train pass |
| 07:53.05 | Industrial | and never to kill |
| 07:53.12 | ckknight | Industrial, that seems so horrible if the police/government are corrupt |
| 07:53.12 | Cartas | Industrial! |
| 07:53.17 | Cartas | Yeh |
| 07:53.28 | Cartas | And we need protection from bears who come into our homes! |
| 07:53.28 | Industrial | well then go live somewhere else |
| 07:53.29 | ckknight | what if I need to fend off King George III again? |
| 07:53.46 | ckknight | Industrial, and if they put up a wall? |
| 07:53.52 | Industrial | im pretty safe here gunless |
| 07:53.53 | ckknight | or if _everyone_ is corrupt? |
| 07:54.02 | Industrial | then kill yourself i dont care |
| 07:54.04 | Industrial | xD |
| 07:54.12 | ckknight | Jesus fucking Christ, man |
| 07:54.25 | ckknight | that is not cool to say. |
| 07:54.34 | Cartas | Would everyone be working for the same corrupt-people? |
| 07:54.40 | Industrial | meh, corrupt government? |
| 07:54.45 | Cartas | Because, if everyone is corrupt, then everyone will be 'normal' :O |
| 07:54.48 | Industrial | come live here |
| 07:54.49 | Industrial | :P |
| 07:54.56 | ckknight | Cartas, not same people, but people could have multiple kinds of corruption |
| 07:55.04 | ckknight | gang warfare, if you will. |
| 07:55.04 | Cartas | Ah, okay. |
| 07:55.35 | ckknight | I want the right to put a gun to the head of people who make laws |
| 07:55.42 | ckknight | laws that ban gay marriage |
| 07:55.47 | ckknight | or laws that prevent sodomy |
| 07:55.49 | ckknight | or suicide |
| 07:55.58 | ckknight | or copyright infringement |
| 07:56.02 | Industrial | no, you want the right to vote about that decision |
| 07:56.05 | Cartas | Laws that don't ban smoking. |
| 07:56.12 | ckknight | laws that ban smoking. |
| 07:56.17 | Cartas | Let's make some. |
| 07:56.28 | ckknight | it should be up to the businesses to decide, not the government. |
| 07:56.35 | Amafi | hell no dude |
| 07:56.38 | CIA-11 | 03laric * r8154 10AoFHeal/AoFHeal.toc: AoFHeal: Fixes revision to the .toc |
| 07:56.43 | Industrial | democracy |
| 07:56.45 | Industrial | :P |
| 07:56.50 | Industrial | you decide |
| 07:56.57 | ckknight | Democracy where they fuck up votes? |
| 07:56.58 | Amafi | you're afraid of corrupt government,but you'd trust businesses? |
| 07:57.03 | ckknight | where we elect the wrong official? |
| 07:57.08 | Amafi | that's just hilarious |
| 07:57.21 | ckknight | where the president mangles votes? |
| 07:57.26 | ckknight | I'm not just talking about America here. |
| 07:57.39 | Industrial | ckknight, well sounds like you are living in the wrong place |
| 07:57.44 | ckknight | Amafi, yes, business is pure, business needs money, which needs consumers |
| 07:57.45 | Industrial | its fine here :P |
| 07:58.06 | Amafi | who are the corrupt bastards that buys votes,and creates these insane laws? |
| 07:58.23 | ckknight | oil tycoons that don't respect the free market. |
| 07:58.32 | Amafi | do you really think there'd be e-patent laws without huge coorperate lobbies? |
| 07:58.36 | ckknight | who should be punished for their disrespect of the free market. |
| 07:58.45 | Amafi | there is no free market |
| 07:58.49 | ckknight | exactly. |
| 07:58.50 | Cartas | Industrial, what have you started? |
| 07:58.52 | ckknight | which is a problem. |
| 07:58.57 | Industrial | Cartas, :) |
| 07:58.58 | Amafi | it's a good idea,but it never will |
| 07:59.00 | Cartas | lol |
| 07:59.14 | Industrial | I'm a socialist, I cant help it :P |
| 07:59.15 | ckknight | so you know |
| 07:59.16 | Amafi | because the playing field is so far from being level it's not even funny |
| 07:59.21 | Cartas | The Politician Channel. |
| 07:59.35 | Cartas | Communism > Socialism! |
| 07:59.37 | Industrial | ckknight, so you know |
| 07:59.56 | ckknight | ah, pinkos all around me! |
| 08:00.10 | Cartas | Pinko? |
| 08:00.32 | Cartas | Was ist das? |
| 08:00.46 | ckknight | Pinko is a derogatory term for a person sympathetic to the Communist Party, but not necessarily a Communist. |
| 08:00.53 | Cartas | Oh |
| 08:00.57 | Cartas | What about to Marxism? |
| 08:01.02 | Cartas | Marxism is good. |
| 08:01.06 | ckknight | not in my opinion. |
| 08:01.27 | Cartas | Marxists = Pinkos? |
| 08:01.30 | ckknight | The most harmful thing one can do is to treat unequal people equally. |
| 08:01.50 | Cartas | But... |
| 08:01.58 | ckknight | but what? |
| 08:01.58 | Cartas | You want to treat unequal businessess equally? :o |
| 08:02.03 | ckknight | no |
| 08:02.17 | Amafi | so you're saying good ol' social darwinism is the way to go? |
| 08:02.25 | ckknight | give or take, Amafi |
| 08:02.33 | Cartas | Marxist Marxism is a good way to go! |
| 08:02.33 | Industrial | everyone is equal |
| 08:02.34 | Amafi | each man for himself,survival of the fittest type thing? |
| 08:02.45 | Cartas | That's good, actually, Amafi... |
| 08:02.46 | Cartas | Hm... |
| 08:02.48 | Amafi | because again,that just doesn't work |
| 08:02.51 | Cartas | It doesn't |
| 08:02.53 | Cartas | ? |
| 08:03.01 | Industrial | no. chaos. :P |
| 08:03.04 | Amafi | and it never will |
| 08:03.06 | ckknight | What is a Communist? One who has yearnings – for equal division of unequal earnings. – Ebenezer Elliot |
| 08:03.11 | ckknight | everyone is not equal. |
| 08:03.15 | ckknight | maybe we were born equal |
| 08:03.17 | Cartas | Correct :P |
| 08:03.23 | Cartas | We weren't even born equal. |
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| 08:03.34 | ckknight | but I sure as hell am better than those section 8 bastards that are too lazy to get off their asses and work |
| 08:03.44 | ckknight | I was working in a section 8 housing a few weeks ago |
| 08:03.53 | ckknight | at like noon, there were 4 people hanging around |
| 08:03.57 | ckknight | people who should've been working. |
| 08:04.03 | Cartas | I don't know if Communism is as simple as all people being paid equally... |
| 08:04.14 | ckknight | it's not, I know it's not |
| 08:04.21 | ckknight | I've read Marx, he's quite intelligent |
| 08:04.24 | Cartas | It's like, in a factory. The boss who just sits there gets paid a lot more than the people working hard making the machines. |
| 08:04.34 | ckknight | yes |
| 08:04.39 | ckknight | and he deserves it |
| 08:04.44 | ckknight | administration is a tough business |
| 08:04.45 | Amafi | but...the boss does work |
| 08:04.48 | Cartas | Yes. |
| 08:04.57 | Cartas | whether it's tougher or not. |
| 08:04.58 | ckknight | without the boss, things would fall apart |
| 08:05.00 | Cartas | He gets paid more. |
| 08:05.06 | ckknight | it doesn't matter if it's "tougher" |
| 08:05.08 | Industrial | and if we all agree that the boss gets more because he does more its a good thing |
| 08:05.14 | ckknight | it's about maximal economic gain |
| 08:05.16 | Industrial | more/harder/etc |
| 08:05.19 | ckknight | i.e. profit |
| 08:05.30 | Industrial | profit belonging again to everyone |
| 08:05.40 | Amafi | but again,the bosses are corrupt as hell |
| 08:05.41 | ckknight | no, profit belonging to shareholders ;-) |
| 08:05.48 | Industrial | 1. work |
| 08:05.49 | ckknight | workers should get paid wages |
| 08:05.49 | Industrial | 2 ... |
| 08:05.52 | Industrial | 3 profit! |
| 08:06.03 | ckknight | Industrial, what about the investors? |
| 08:06.19 | Industrial | what investors |
| 08:06.26 | ckknight | Amafi, and it's sad when they get that way, but as long as it's economically feasible to keep running, it's worth it. |
| 08:06.26 | Industrial | what shareholders |
| 08:06.27 | Amafi | not a month goes by here without the chairman of some huge coorperate entity is fired because he's incompetent,and gets a mill or 10 when they let him go |
| 08:06.41 | ckknight | of said factory. Without investors, there would be no factory. |
| 08:06.55 | ckknight | Amafi, okay. |
| 08:06.58 | Amafi | and 4 years later,he's the chairman of some new board,elected by a bunch of other guys that does the exact same thing |
| 08:07.16 | ckknight | and it's quite likely that he made >10 mil for the company |
| 08:07.19 | Cartas | Where do you live, Amafi? |
| 08:07.20 | ckknight | overall, net gain. |
| 08:07.48 | Amafi | Cartas: norway |
| 08:08.00 | ckknight | http://politicalcompass.org/questionnaire <-- feel free to take this test, I like it. |
| 08:08.18 | ckknight | it's not biased toward my views, either |
| 08:08.49 | Cartas | I'd always support my country, whether it was right or wrong. |
| 08:08.49 | Cartas | Ha |
| 08:09.14 | Industrial | ckknight, taking it |
| 08:09.24 | ckknight | I'll take it right now as well |
| 08:09.53 | ckknight | so you know, although I disagree with your views, I would take a bullet to protect your right to have them. |
| 08:10.10 | ckknight | and I hope that others would share that sentiment |
| 08:10.20 | Elkano | ckknight, are you using MenuToFu? Could you check wether the default FuBar options show up in it's rightclick menu? |
| 08:10.20 | Cartas | Hm |
| 08:10.29 | ckknight | no, Elkano |
| 08:10.43 | Cartas | Then that's like... you take a bullet to protect my rights to have them... and I take a bullet to protect your right to have them... |
| 08:10.54 | Cartas | And then we spend ages deciding who takes the bullet! |
| 08:11.24 | Elkano | well, they should show up in there own submenu but it's empty for me |
| 08:11.26 | ckknight | let's make Indie take the bullet. |
| 08:11.37 | Cartas | Yeh, he really wants to, so we're being nice. |
| 08:11.43 | ckknight | Cartas, it also means that I'd shoot someone else to protect your views |
| 08:11.53 | ckknight | your right to have views, that is |
| 08:11.56 | Cartas | But not to protect their views? |
| 08:13.08 | ckknight | Cartas, no, since they were the ones infringing on the right for you to have your views |
| 08:13.22 | Cartas | So then you can infringe on their's ? :o |
| 08:13.26 | ckknight | basically, I'll fight for free speach and free thought |
| 08:13.28 | Cartas | Two wrongs don't make a right! |
| 08:13.37 | ckknight | if someone goes against that, then I'd be quite happy to kill them. |
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| 08:16.53 | ckknight | okay, I got my score |
| 08:17.48 | Amafi | http://politicalcompass.org/printablegraph?ec=-5.75&soc=-5.74 |
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| 08:17.54 | Amafi | about what I expected,really |
| 08:17.58 | ckknight | Economic Left/Right: 8.00 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.62 |
| 08:18.03 | ckknight | hey MoonWolf |
| 08:18.15 | MoonWolf | ghello everybody |
| 08:18.33 | ckknight | MoonWolf, you kinda walked in on a political debate :-P |
| 08:18.35 | Elkano | hiho moon :) |
| 08:18.47 | MoonWolf | ah, but its been a while since we had one. |
| 08:19.11 | ckknight | yea |
| 08:19.20 | ckknight | it's me vs. everyone else |
| 08:19.30 | MoonWolf | thats not very interesting. |
| 08:19.56 | MoonWolf | what is everyone elses argument ? |
| 08:20.12 | ckknight | they're leftists, I'm not |
| 08:20.13 | Cartas | Economic Left/Right: -3.50 |
| 08:20.13 | Cartas | Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.23 |
| 08:20.22 | Cartas | I'm like, almost Ghandi :O |
| 08:21.03 | Industrial | Economic Left/Right: -4.88 |
| 08:21.03 | Industrial | Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.44 |
| 08:21.10 | Industrial | :X |
| 08:21.14 | ckknight | alright |
| 08:21.38 | Cartas | lol |
| 08:22.08 | ckknight | bout what I expected |
| 08:22.08 | ckknight | but it lets you know where you stand |
| 08:22.26 | ckknight | If you are not free to choose wrongly and irresponsibly, you are not free at all. |
| 08:22.40 | Cartas | I doubt we are free anyway. |
| 08:23.33 | ckknight | should you not strive for freedom? |
| 08:23.46 | Cartas | Freedom from what? |
| 08:23.53 | evl | I'm so glad I spent money on this Apple Mighty Mouse |
| 08:24.18 | evl | I love a mouse that doesn't allow me to right click when i have more than one finger present on the mouse |
| 08:24.19 | Industrial | man should live in smaller communities, think village size. |
| 08:24.20 | evl | WTF?!?! |
| 08:24.35 | Amafi | mighty mouse is useless |
| 08:24.49 | ckknight | my liberty extends to your nose, but no farther, Cartas |
| 08:24.51 | Amafi | I played with it some in the local apple store...didn't like it at all |
| 08:25.04 | Cartas | But what are you free from? |
| 08:25.14 | evl | and wtf is the point with buttons on each side but they do the same thing no matter what? |
| 08:25.17 | ckknight | it's not a sense of freedom _from_ anything, but a freedom _to do_ what I want |
| 08:25.31 | Amafi | who knows |
| 08:25.44 | Industrial | as long as you arent in the way of others do what you want |
| 08:25.49 | Amafi | but then,all apple mice has sucked,always |
| 08:25.50 | ckknight | right. |
| 08:26.08 | Amafi | and it looks like they will in the future |
| 08:26.10 | Cartas | Lack of freedom is that sense, assuming free-will, is because everyone has the same freedom. |
| 08:26.23 | Cartas | And it means not interacting with other people if you want to keep it, for the most part. |
| 08:26.23 | ckknight | I believe in earned liberty |
| 08:26.36 | ckknight | and not everyone _can_ be free to do what they want |
| 08:26.45 | ckknight | example: I do not have the liberty to drink milk |
| 08:27.03 | Industrial | eh? |
| 08:27.05 | evl | eh? |
| 08:27.06 | ckknight | and my brother does not have the liberty to eat any butter |
| 08:27.17 | Cartas | It's an example, guys. |
| 08:27.18 | Cartas | lol |
| 08:27.34 | ckknight | because our biology does not allow the liberty to do that |
| 08:27.42 | Amafi | well,lactose intolerance is biology |
| 08:27.55 | Amafi | I wouldn't compare that with social freedom |
| 08:27.56 | ckknight | and I don't have the liberty to buy a house, since I did not earn the resources with which to trade for a house. |
| 08:27.56 | Industrial | you still have the liberty |
| 08:28.03 | Industrial | you just choose not to cause well.. |
| 08:28.07 | Amafi | you're free to drink milk |
| 08:28.10 | Industrial | yeah |
| 08:28.14 | Amafi | it's just that it'll hurt you |
| 08:28.25 | ckknight | it's an example |
| 08:28.40 | Cartas | Could you use a somewhat better example? Or, a more realistic one? :p |
| 08:28.46 | ckknight | and I don't have the liberty to kill a man, since I would be infringing on his liberty |
| 08:28.54 | Industrial | you have to split liberty and opportunity ckknight |
| 08:28.55 | ckknight | I just used the house one, which is realistic |
| 08:29.01 | ckknight | no I don't. |
| 08:29.03 | CIA-11 | 03ammo * r8155 10BigWigs/ (BigWigs.toc Colors.lua Messages.lua Other/Test.lua): |
| 08:29.03 | CIA-11 | BigWigs: |
| 08:29.03 | CIA-11 | * Message types should not be localized. |
| 08:29.03 | CIA-11 | * Messages can now be sent to SCT or MSBT optionally as well as the RaidWarning frame or BigWigs own messageframe |
| 08:29.09 | Amafi | it's not a restriction imposed by politics,so it's not really comparable to,say,an unemployed person not being able to get dental surgery |
| 08:29.23 | ckknight | why doesn't he get a job? |
| 08:29.31 | Cartas | Hmm |
| 08:29.37 | Cartas | You are free to purchase a house. |
| 08:29.40 | Industrial | If he doesnt he'll starve |
| 08:30.29 | Amafi | who knows why people don't get work? |
| 08:30.33 | ckknight | laziness. |
| 08:30.35 | Cartas | Because some can't. |
| 08:30.35 | Amafi | that's not the important bit |
| 08:30.47 | Amafi | might be laziness,but most likely not |
| 08:30.55 | whoughton | jseval: alert{"bye"); |
| 08:30.57 | whoughton | oops |
| 08:30.58 | ckknight | depends on where you are, I suppose |
| 08:31.00 | whoughton | :( |
| 08:31.01 | Amafi | I know several people who are unable to find work |
| 08:31.07 | whoughton | wrong window, sorry |
| 08:31.07 | Amafi | and they don't feel good about it |
| 08:31.16 | Cartas | Those lazy people. |
| 08:31.21 | ckknight | Amafi, probably because of artifical restrictions such as minimum wage laws. |
| 08:31.24 | Cartas | They obviously don't look hard enough because thye're lazy. |
| 08:31.40 | ckknight | and other regulations on business |
| 08:31.46 | ckknight | imposed by government |
| 08:32.13 | Industrial | if everyone does what hes good at and the ones that dont work will receive nothing, its all well :P |
| 08:32.20 | Amafi | minimum wage laws are awesome...it's no good having to work 2 jobs to NOT be able to afford housing,for example |
| 08:32.38 | ckknight | minimum wage hurts entry-level employees |
| 08:32.46 | Amafi | no |
| 08:32.46 | ckknight | who don't deserve minimum wage |
| 08:32.55 | Industrial | well thats true for me atm |
| 08:33.12 | Industrial | Im getting minimum wage at 19 just cause im 19. I'm still a web programmer |
| 08:33.20 | ckknight | I ordered business cards today, cause I decided to make my own business |
| 08:33.26 | vhaarr | hrm, me == Gandhi, apparently. |
| 08:33.38 | Industrial | hehe vhaarr |
| 08:33.41 | vhaarr | :P |
| 08:33.45 | ckknight | good times, vhaarr. Ghandi loved giving enemas to young girls. |
| 08:33.58 | Industrial | bet you play priest |
| 08:33.59 | Industrial | :P |
| 08:34.02 | vhaarr | haha, yeah I do |
| 08:34.03 | Industrial | *cough* |
| 08:34.05 | Industrial | lol |
| 08:34.07 | vhaarr | ckknight: and I have given enemas, lol |
| 08:34.15 | ckknight | lol. |
| 08:34.16 | evl | A thought on localization |
| 08:34.21 | ckknight | Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of Liberty. – Thomas Jefferson |
| 08:34.24 | ckknight | shoot, evl |
| 08:34.27 | Industrial | gone with localisation \o/ |
| 08:34.32 | evl | It's the germans and french that have problems with localization |
| 08:34.39 | evl | Simply because they are nationalist zealots |
| 08:34.41 | ckknight | curse those handsome devils! |
| 08:34.47 | Industrial | evl, correct |
| 08:34.49 | Elkano | Economic Left/Right: -3.75 |
| 08:34.49 | Elkano | Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.31 |
| 08:34.55 | evl | Why make the germans into more of the vermin they are on the internet already? |
| 08:34.56 | Industrial | Elkano, join the club |
| 08:34.58 | ckknight | man, you all are leftists. |
| 08:35.04 | evl | I'm all right |
| 08:35.10 | evl | Land of oil and fair women |
| 08:35.26 | ckknight | Germany has oil? |
| 08:35.32 | ckknight | and some of the women are far from fair. |
| 08:35.34 | Elkano | yes, it has |
| 08:35.36 | Industrial | If I learn to speak english all of my neighbours can too |
| 08:35.37 | evl | I'm not from Germany |
| 08:35.43 | Industrial | I'm dutch |
| 08:35.48 | MoonWolf | so am i |
| 08:35.51 | Industrial | \o/ |
| 08:35.52 | Amafi | most of the german people I've met in games are able to communicate very well in english |
| 08:36.07 | Industrial | Amafi, you play on german servers? |
| 08:36.07 | ckknight | I'm Canadian, but in a few months I'll be American |
| 08:36.08 | evl | I vote for a new Ace campaign: |
| 08:36.10 | MoonWolf | must younger europians are. |
| 08:36.10 | Amafi | and the same goes for the dutch |
| 08:36.16 | Elkano | luckily you haven't met me before ;) |
| 08:36.23 | Amafi | spanish and french are a different story |
| 08:36.28 | Industrial | Amafi, the thing is that there shouldnt be german or french servers |
| 08:36.39 | evl | "Fuck localization, improve globalization, abolish mastrubation"© |
| 08:36.40 | Amafi | of course,I can hardly speak a word of german :) |
| 08:36.47 | Elkano | well, I think also most French would be but they don't want to... |
| 08:36.47 | ckknight | evl, wtf |
| 08:36.49 | ckknight | no |
| 08:36.50 | Amafi | er |
| 08:36.53 | ckknight | masturbation is good. |
| 08:36.55 | Industrial | evl, well not the last |
| 08:36.56 | Industrial | hehe |
| 08:36.57 | evl | :D |
| 08:37.02 | evl | a true sign one is on irc |
| 08:37.08 | Industrial | only if there are plentiful fine women |
| 08:37.10 | Industrial | :P |
| 08:37.23 | evl | I'm trying to learn lua |
| 08:37.26 | Amafi | I'd rather have the people that don't feel they can communicate well enough in english to play on english realms contained to their own servers |
| 08:37.28 | ckknight | evl, alright |
| 08:37.29 | evl | but coming from Java/Javascript/C# |
| 08:37.31 | evl | wtf OO? |
| 08:37.34 | evl | where's my classes? |
| 08:37.38 | ckknight | evl, in AceOO-2.0 |
| 08:37.42 | Industrial | hehe you have come to the right place evl |
| 08:37.46 | evl | :) |
| 08:37.58 | MoonWolf | tables are your classes. and your objects, and your tables, and your array's and your hashes. |
| 08:38.01 | evl | and the code in XMl files really makes me wanna beat someone with a hardon |
| 08:38.08 | Amafi | where they won't come around jabbering at me in foreign all the time |
| 08:38.21 | ckknight | evl, good times. just use Lua |
| 08:38.24 | evl | I'm on Lightning's Blade in EU and it's fucking littered with turks :P |
| 08:38.26 | Industrial | Amafi, I'd rather have them not and enforce english on all school as a high standard and a second language |
| 08:38.51 | Amafi | what about 10 year old kids that are just starting to learn english? |
| 08:38.56 | MoonWolf | fuck those french classes, use that time to teach them some more english. |
| 08:38.58 | Industrial | they should gtfo |
| 08:38.59 | evl | Yesterday was a funny one, the balkan gang as we like to call em set up shop down in BRD for ally Ony preq, shouting "15g, you click item, done mc preq! cheap!" |
| 08:39.06 | MoonWolf | amafi, they should not be playing mmorpgs. |
| 08:39.12 | evl | And ofcourse about 5 people accepted the offer and fucked em over in a second after the summon :P |
| 08:39.55 | Amafi | haha |
| 08:40.30 | ckknight | There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible to live without breaking laws. – Ayn Rand |
| 08:40.44 | Amafi | please...not ayn rand :( |
| 08:41.16 | ckknight | I have other quotes. |
| 08:41.16 | MoonWolf | YOU to are a terrorist, no really you can be made a terrorist right NOW! |
| 08:41.30 | Amafi | crazy bish she was |
| 08:41.34 | ckknight | truly. |
| 08:41.39 | MoonWolf | For all you know, you already ARE a terrorist. |
| 08:41.39 | Industrial | werd. |
| 08:42.03 | ckknight | note that a work stands on its own, without an author present. It is the words that you learn from that are important, not the person who said them. |
| 08:42.28 | Amafi | crap,didn't some crazy guy call copyright infringement terrorism a few years back? |
| 08:42.30 | Industrial | anyway |
| 08:42.32 | Industrial | yeah |
| 08:42.35 | Industrial | guns suck. |
| 08:42.37 | Industrial | the end |
| 08:42.37 | Industrial | :D |
| 08:42.41 | ckknight | A liberal is someone who feels a great debt to his fellow man, which debt he proposes to pay off with your money. – G. Gordon Liddy |
| 08:42.44 | Cartas | Guns suck, yes. |
| 08:42.52 | Cartas | We should go back to the days of sword-using. |
| 08:42.56 | Industrial | lmao |
| 08:42.57 | Cartas | Samarai and Ninjas > * |
| 08:43.03 | Cartas | Samurai* |
| 08:43.13 | Industrial | thats the third channel Cartas where someone said that in response :P |
| 08:43.17 | Amafi | I'd have to go back to training with swords then |
| 08:43.20 | Cartas | :) |
| 08:43.21 | ckknight | go guns, because the government may end up fucking me in the ass one day, and I should have the ability to shoot cops. |
| 08:43.32 | Amafi | only person I'd be likely to hurt these days is me |
| 08:43.38 | Cartas | Well, guns are not really 'fun', Industrial. |
| 08:43.47 | Industrial | hehe |
| 08:43.53 | Cartas | In a war: Stand around -> Point -> Move your thumb -> Death. |
| 08:43.58 | Cartas | Oh wow. |
| 08:44.01 | whoughton | guns are worthless these days anyhow, it's all about the bombs, and more likely, the suicide bombs |
| 08:44.03 | Cartas | Whoops |
| 08:44.04 | Cartas | lol |
| 08:44.05 | Cartas | Finger* :P |
| 08:44.10 | ckknight | oh, guns are fun. |
| 08:44.14 | Cartas | LIAR! |
| 08:44.22 | Industrial | on a shooting range |
| 08:44.25 | ckknight | please, you ever been to a shooting range? |
| 08:44.32 | Cartas | I've used a water pistol... |
| 08:44.40 | Amafi | shooting isn't too bad |
| 08:44.55 | Amafi | but then you have to clean the thing after,which is not as fun |
| 08:45.05 | Cartas | No cleaning up blood-stained swords! |
| 08:45.07 | ckknight | yea, and get rid of your bloody clothes... |
| 08:45.08 | MoonWolf | guns kill people, I like not killing people, therefor I do not like guns. |
| 08:45.16 | Cartas | Good work, MoonWolf. |
| 08:45.19 | Cartas | We like swords. |
| 08:45.28 | Industrial | lol |
| 08:45.32 | MoonWolf | At least swords are nice to look at. |
| 08:45.33 | Amafi | I wouldn't want to own a gun...wouldn't make me feel any safer |
| 08:45.35 | ckknight | I wouldn't get a gun to ward off thieves, the only reason I'd get a gun is to ward off police |
| 08:45.35 | Amafi | at all |
| 08:45.37 | Cartas | See! |
| 08:45.45 | Cartas | MoonWolf: "At least swords are nice..." |
| 08:45.47 | ckknight | that's where I stand |
| 08:45.53 | ckknight | if I wanted to hunt something, I'd rent a gun |
| 08:46.07 | ckknight | granted, I'm not interested in hunting |
| 08:46.15 | Cartas | I wasn't really referring to you actually using a gun being boring. |
| 08:46.19 | Cartas | I've never experienced that... |
| 08:46.22 | whoughton | grenades are great for fishing |
| 08:46.23 | Cartas | I just mean in games and movies... |
| 08:46.42 | Cartas | Wars fought with swords > Wars fought with guns. |
| 08:46.52 | ckknight | It is not the responsibility of the government or the legal system to protect a citizen from himself. – Justice Casey Percell |
| 08:46.53 | Amafi | I like shooting rocket launchers,personally |
| 08:47.02 | Amafi | and the tank simulator thing we had |
| 08:47.04 | Industrial | me too, in half life:tfc |
| 08:47.07 | Industrial | :P |
| 08:47.08 | Cartas | I deflect your rocket with my sword. |
| 08:47.13 | *** part/#wowace whoughton (n=whoughto@222.165.174.212) |
| 08:47.31 | Amafi | you should have a go in the cavalry...good fun |
| 08:47.34 | Industrial | ZOMG |
| 08:47.36 | Industrial | EU is up |
| 08:47.38 | Cartas | ZOMG. |
| 08:47.52 | Cartas | What realm are you on, Id.? |
| 08:47.56 | ckknight | here's a good quote: |
| 08:47.58 | ckknight | I believe that every individual is naturally entitled to do as he pleases with himself and the fruits of his labor, so far as it in no way interferes with any other men's rights. – Abraham Lincoln |
| 08:48.05 | ckknight | now why would you infringe on my right to have a gun? |
| 08:48.13 | Cartas | "Nothing is good or bad, only thinking makes it so." - Friedrich Nietzsche. |
| 08:48.15 | ckknight | if I don't violate your rights |
| 08:48.32 | ckknight | just to protect my rights |
| 08:48.38 | ckknight | and, possibly, to protect yours |
| 08:49.11 | Amafi | that only works for responsible,stable people |
| 08:49.37 | Industrial | Cartas, any realm:P |
| 08:49.39 | ckknight | why take guns from responsible, stable people, then? |
| 08:49.44 | Cartas | lol |
| 08:49.44 | Industrial | Cartas, I dont have a main |
| 08:49.46 | ckknight | I agree, amafi. |
| 08:49.46 | Cartas | Ah. |
| 08:49.53 | Amafi | I don't havre a problem with them having guns |
| 08:49.55 | Cartas | You just learn swords and stop, eh? |
| 08:49.57 | ckknight | and I think background checks are a good thing. |
| 08:49.59 | Cartas | I understand. |
| 08:50.04 | Industrial | lol |
| 08:50.05 | ckknight | cause I wouldn't want a criminal to have a gun |
| 08:50.14 | Industrial | I just code and am lazy too level |
| 08:50.16 | Cartas | I'm in a guild called Last Resort... |
| 08:50.21 | Cartas | Downed Loatheb last night <3 |
| 08:50.25 | ckknight | but I would be perfectly fine if every non-criminal housewife or businessman did |
| 08:50.28 | Amafi | but I think a high level of gun control is needed to make sure you don't make it too easy for some crazy bastard to get one |
| 08:50.30 | Industrial | Cartas, server? |
| 08:50.33 | Cartas | Kazzak. |
| 08:50.40 | Industrial | fun there? |
| 08:50.47 | Cartas | I guess so :P |
| 08:50.52 | Cartas | I recently migrated there. |
| 08:50.55 | Industrial | side? |
| 08:50.59 | Cartas | Horde! |
| 08:51.02 | Industrial | \o/ |
| 08:51.02 | Cartas | Tauren FTW. |
| 08:51.08 | Industrial | gud gud |
| 08:51.10 | Industrial | :D |
| 08:51.12 | ckknight | go Horde. |
| 08:51.19 | Amafi | to get a hand gun license here,you have to belong to a gun club for...6 months,I believe |
| 08:51.20 | Industrial | we are the horde nazi |
| 08:51.21 | Cartas | There are only two racial choices in WoW... |
| 08:51.25 | CIA-11 | 03greywind * r8156 10Teknicolor/Core.lua: Teknicolor: merged ckknight's changes from branches into the trunk. |
| 08:51.27 | Cartas | Tiny man or big cow. |
| 08:51.30 | ckknight | Tauren and Dwarves |
| 08:51.32 | Cartas | Nooooooo. |
| 08:51.34 | Cartas | GNOMES!" |
| 08:51.35 | Cartas | Or Tauren. |
| 08:51.41 | ckknight | Gnomes can go fuck themselves |
| 08:51.44 | ckknight | high-pitched assholes. |
| 08:51.45 | Cartas | They can? :O |
| 08:51.50 | Cartas | Woah |
| 08:51.55 | Cartas | *Goes to play a gnome* |
| 08:51.55 | *** join/#wowace quoin (n=quoin@219-90-254-96.ip.adam.com.au) |
| 08:51.57 | ckknight | Amafi, hrm, okay |
| 08:52.06 | Industrial | If you're happy and you know it punt a gnome! |
| 08:52.18 | Amafi | and they do a psych evaluation and a background check |
| 08:52.32 | Cartas | You making a char there, Industrial? |
| 08:52.38 | Industrial | Cartas, sure :P |
| 08:52.43 | Cartas | Oh |
| 08:52.44 | Amafi | just letting people wander into a store and pick up a luger isnt really viable I think |
| 08:52.48 | Cartas | I'm just on Hitman Blood Money atm :P |
| 08:52.56 | Industrial | k |
| 08:53.03 | vhaarr | Cartas: using BW? |
| 08:53.07 | Industrial | well im working on my interface |
| 08:53.07 | Cartas | BW? |
| 08:53.08 | Industrial | :D |
| 08:53.08 | vhaarr | Cartas: did you transcript Loatheb? |
| 08:53.10 | vhaarr | Cartas: bigwigs |
| 08:53.14 | Cartas | Nope. |
| 08:53.19 | Cartas | I used to use BW. |
| 08:53.26 | Cartas | But LR use their own raid-mod. |
| 08:53.32 | Amafi | by the way,anyone else had issues with oCD? |
| 08:53.45 | *** join/#wowace ckknight_ (i=ckknight@rrcs-74-62-251-102.west.biz.rr.com) |
| 08:53.45 | Industrial | never saw it work |
| 08:53.54 | Cartas | THey're currently upgrading it to CandyBars thanks to me :) |
| 08:53.58 | ckknight_ | blast |
| 08:54.05 | Amafi | if I enable it it throws an error in fubar2 |
| 08:54.07 | Cartas | But, Vhaar, what did you mean. Did I transcript Loatheb? |
| 08:54.12 | *** mode/#wowace [+o ckknight] by ChanServ |
| 08:54.57 | Amafi | for some weird reason |
| 08:55.32 | ckknight | ooh, here's a good quote: No drug, not even alcohol, causes the fundamental ills of society. If we're looking for the sources of our troubles, we shouldn't test people for drugs, we should test them for stupidity, ignorance, greed, and love of power. – P. J. O'Rourke |
| 08:55.48 | Industrial | haha |
| 08:56.34 | ckknight | and another: If you think health care is expensive now, wait until you see what it costs when it's free. – P.J. O'Rourke |
| 08:56.44 | Cartas | Ignorance is bliss. |
| 08:56.50 | vhaarr | Cartas: hrm, so you're in LR? |
| 08:56.53 | Cartas | Yep. |
| 08:56.56 | Cartas | You know them? :o |
| 08:57.05 | vhaarr | no, just the bossmod. |
| 08:57.22 | vhaarr | You guys should really stop working on it and join BigWigs. |
| 08:57.28 | vhaarr | Would be so easy. |
| 08:57.38 | Cartas | Well, I used BigWigs in my old guild. |
| 08:57.44 | *** join/#wowace whoughton (n=whoughto@222.165.174.212) |
| 08:58.04 | vhaarr | We have SVN infrastructure, IRC access to developers and easy to read code, unlike LR bossmods. |
| 08:58.25 | ckknight | also, here's a relevant quote for you anti-gun folks: A sword never kills anybody; it is a tool in the killer's hand. – Lucius Annaeus Seneca, c. 4BC - 65AD. |
| 08:58.38 | Cartas | Yay for swords! |
| 08:58.43 | vhaarr | Cartas: Transcriptor is a mod that makes a transcript of fights with all the important events, so we can see what's going on. |
| 08:58.50 | vhaarr | Cartas: And use the data to make a bossmod. |
| 08:58.51 | ckknight | Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the act of depriving a whole nation of arms, as the blackest. – Mahatma Gandhi, in Gandhi, An Autobiography, p. 446 |
| 08:59.03 | Cartas | BW doesn't currently have the Loatheb bossmod then, I guess? |
| 08:59.04 | *** part/#wowace whoughton (n=whoughto@222.165.174.212) |
| 08:59.05 | ckknight | and you Gandhi types |
| 08:59.09 | vhaarr | Cartas: Yes it does. |
| 08:59.22 | vhaarr | Cartas: But I have no idea how good it is, my guild is on Thaddius at the moment. |
| 08:59.32 | Elkano | ckknight: Guns don't kill mutants. I kill Mutants! ;) |
| 08:59.39 | ckknight | lousy Muties. |
| 08:59.44 | MoonWolf | ckknight, yes both guns and swords are tools for killing, the only pro swords have over guns is that they look good. |
| 08:59.54 | Cartas | and require more skill... |
| 08:59.56 | Cartas | *Ahem* |
| 09:00.05 | vhaarr | Cartas: But really, CTRABossMod, MR Naxxramas, AQWarner feat. Naxx, La Vendetta Bossmods, BigWigs. |
| 09:00.11 | vhaarr | Cartas: There are too many. |
| 09:00.23 | Cartas | The one we use isn't going to be released or anything. |
| 09:00.24 | vhaarr | Cartas: And BigWigs is the only one with proper code structure. |
| 09:00.31 | vhaarr | Cartas: It's alreay on Curse. |
| 09:00.35 | Cartas | It is? :O |
| 09:00.37 | vhaarr | *already |
| 09:00.38 | Cartas | Woah |
| 09:00.38 | vhaarr | Yes. |
| 09:00.45 | ckknight | MoonWolf, guns and swords are both arms, not really different in principle |
| 09:00.58 | vhaarr | Cartas: Get your guild developers in here. |
| 09:00.59 | ckknight | just a slightly different way to kill |
| 09:01.12 | Cartas | I think it's only one guy, Vhaar. |
| 09:01.18 | vhaarr | Cartas: Even better. |
| 09:01.20 | ckknight | The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of the blessings. The inherent blessing of socialism is the equal sharing of misery. – Winston Churchill |
| 09:01.27 | vhaarr | Cartas: Getting him up to speed on BigWigs is no problem at all. |
| 09:01.33 | Cartas | How do you mean? |
| 09:01.49 | Cartas | His addon is a lot smaller than BW, methinks. |
| 09:01.54 | Cartas | Which is good! |
| 09:01.56 | vhaarr | It can't be. |
| 09:02.39 | Cartas | Damned Warmup for misleading me again! |
| 09:03.08 | vhaarr | Really, ask him to take a look at the BigWigs code and get him in here. |
| 09:03.28 | Thrae | Swords take a bit more skill and opportunity then a gun. A true sword is a rather heavy weapon that requires, as WoW would put it, "melee range". A gun can be fired from a considerably longer distance away. Someone does not have the opportunity to disarm a person carrying a gun, someone does have the opportunity (with appropriate skill or luck) to disarm someone carrying a sword. |
| 09:03.33 | [Ammo] | the advantage of bigwigs is the way each bossmodule is a selfcontainted entity |
| 09:03.43 | Cartas | What's the addon called on Cursegaming? |
| 09:03.47 | [Ammo] | BigWigs |
| 09:03.50 | Cartas | Not BW. |
| 09:03.53 | Cartas | I know what that is :P |
| 09:04.04 | Cartas | The LR one. vhaarr? |
| 09:04.06 | Thrae | If we include daggers, the skill required lessens, but there is still the problem with being able to be disarmed and requiring the opportunity to get close enough to your opponent. |
| 09:04.10 | vhaarr | Cartas: http://www.curse-gaming.com/en/wow/addons-4455-1-la-vendetta-boss-mods-naxxramas-ahnqiraj-and-blackwing-lair.html |
| 09:04.25 | Cartas | Erm |
| 09:04.27 | Industrial | Anyone use pubcrawl? |
| 09:04.32 | Industrial | I dont understand it |
| 09:04.34 | Cartas | That's not Last Resort's Bossmods :o |
| 09:04.40 | vhaarr | heh |
| 09:04.49 | vhaarr | I thought you said LV. |
| 09:05.05 | Cartas | Cartas: hrm, so you're in LR? |
| 09:05.06 | Cartas | :P |
| 09:05.13 | vhaarr | Yeah, sorry :) |
| 09:05.16 | Cartas | It's okay. |
| 09:05.17 | vhaarr | Cartas: Doesn't matter, he shouldn't make his own bossmod anyway. Get him in here :) |
| 09:05.25 | Cartas | lol |
| 09:05.27 | Thrae | There is a reason one of the greatest sword-bearing nations was toppled by the so-called "senins", or gun-wielding bandits -- Japan's feudal history became chaotic when guns were introduced. Samurais all but became extinct, the last were mainly nobility. |
| 09:05.44 | *** join/#wowace Mikk (i=bofh@81-233-236-26-no19.tbcn.telia.com) |
| 09:05.47 | Industrial | noone here uses pubcrawl/. |
| 09:05.47 | Cartas | Thrae: Japan refused guns for 2 centuries, wasn't it? |
| 09:06.12 | ckknight | The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government. – Thomas Jefferson |
| 09:06.13 | [Ammo] | nope, I still use card_bars, have to go use Bartender2 though :) |
| 09:06.22 | Cartas | I'm using Bartender2 atm :) |
| 09:06.23 | CIA-11 | 03uruloke * r8157 10ArcHUD2/ (10 files in 2 dirs): |
| 09:06.23 | CIA-11 | ArcHUD2: |
| 09:06.23 | CIA-11 | * Added PvP indicator to nameplate |
| 09:06.23 | CIA-11 | * Added PvP/group leader/raid target icons to the target frame |
| 09:06.23 | CIA-11 | * Added class/creature type/creature family to level display |
| 09:06.23 | CIA-11 | * Fixed fontstrings not being big enough for the text |
| 09:06.25 | CIA-11 | * Fixed timer issue with DruidMana |
| 09:06.29 | haste_ | "Our Bossmod has NO DEPENDENCES, which results to a stable and small system. We don't need any other Addons to get our Addon Running, this reduces lag from your UI, downs the Memory Usage and many more." |
| 09:06.34 | vhaarr | Cartas: Well, just let me say this, then: If it was me, I'd want you to tell me, so I didn't do double efforts on everything. |
| 09:06.35 | haste_ | oookey |
| 09:06.51 | vhaarr | Cartas: He's very welcome to start coding on BigWigs. |
| 09:06.52 | Thrae | Cartas: That was the same time they held out against all forms of foreign trade, but their increasing interest in what the Dutch had to offer did them in. |
| 09:07.15 | Cartas | lol, haste! |
| 09:07.18 | Cartas | Hm, Vhaar. |
| 09:07.26 | Thrae | And there WERE gunblades, they're called "banonets" ;) |
| 09:07.40 | Cartas | I think he knows what BigWigs is. |
| 09:07.54 | vhaarr | I don't think he knows how easy it is to get into the community. |
| 09:08.09 | Mikk | "Gifv svn account plx?" -> boom =) |
| 09:08.12 | vhaarr | yep |
| 09:08.19 | Cartas | Come into this channel -> Have a game of Russian roulette -> You're in! |
| 09:08.24 | Cartas | I lost though :( |
| 09:08.25 | vhaarr | Indeed. |
| 09:08.26 | vhaarr | :P |
| 09:08.33 | Mikk | ~tryme |
| 09:08.39 | purl | ACTION spins the revolver, points it at mikk and fires. Click. |
| 09:08.41 | Fritti | morning all |
| 09:08.45 | Cartas | Good morning, old chap! |
| 09:08.45 | Mikk | hey fritti |
| 09:08.49 | Cartas | ~tryme |
| 09:08.51 | purl | ACTION spins the revolver, points it at cartas and fires. BANG! |
| 09:08.54 | Cartas | :( |
| 09:08.56 | Cartas | Again! |
| 09:08.57 | Mikk | hehe |
| 09:08.57 | Thrae | I think that went out when we introduced the semiautomatic. Either you have a semiautomatic or automatic weapon, or you have a sniper rifle. There's really no inbetween anymore in war. If your weapons suck compared to your opponent, you'll probably die. No more fighting your opponents with a pointed stick. |
| 09:09.00 | Gngsk | pwnt |
| 09:09.05 | Cartas | ~tryme |
| 09:09.06 | purl | ACTION spins the revolver, points it at shadowmx and fires. Click. |
| 09:09.06 | evl | I'm rewriting Jubei's_AEP into ace and it relies heavily on parsing the item tooltip to retrieve stats, is there any Ace'd item-stats library? |
| 09:09.24 | Mikk | Thrae: Except these days, the guns are the sticks, really. |
| 09:09.29 | *** join/#wowace Uruloke (n=Uruloke@ua-83-227-171-14.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) |
| 09:09.33 | Fritti | shadowmx? |
| 09:09.41 | Thrae | evl: I don't think so, but there is a lib for just parsing tooltips, GratuityLib. |
| 09:09.53 | Thrae | That kinda covers all bases. |
| 09:10.01 | evl | Thanks |
| 09:10.11 | Mikk | KC_Items otherwise |
| 09:10.26 | Mikk | Stuff doesn't necessarily suck just because it doesn't use Ace, ya know :-P |
| 09:10.33 | Uruloke | is there a way to update the keywords in a file even if the file itself isn't modified? the rest of the addon is updated |
| 09:10.36 | Thrae | KC_Items uses Ace |
| 09:11.29 | Thrae | evl: You're probably better off trying to get information from an already existing database, like Mikk is suggesting. Well, I'd just put in -both- methods. No need to parse data that's already in memory! |
| 09:11.40 | ckknight | The difference between libertarianism and socialism is that libertarians will tolerate the existence of a socialist community, but socialists can't tolerate a libertarian community. – David D. Boaz (1997) |
| 09:12.21 | `-FISKER_Q\ | lol |
| 09:12.23 | Thrae | I think my teeth are spying on me. -- Some Drunk I met in a bar (1999) |
| 09:12.24 | `-FISKER_Q\ | ubrs is serious business |
| 09:12.44 | `-FISKER_Q\ | [Party] [Hunter] [Splix] We can't have 2 hunters |
| 09:12.47 | Mikk | ckknight: Like how the US is so tolerant towards most of south america and never meddles with its internal affairs? :-P |
| 09:12.48 | ckknight | lol, Thrae |
| 09:13.14 | Thrae | I consider at least half of the philosophers of our time to be stupid. Probably more. |
| 09:13.30 | ckknight | Mikk, I'm mostly talking about internal affairs. Frankly, I see America's going into other countries as a bad thing, as I believe in a purely defensive military |
| 09:13.35 | Fritti | well I guess it wasn't much different in the old times Thrae |
| 09:13.40 | Fritti | only we forgot about the stupid ones |
| 09:13.41 | ckknight | anything outside of that is oppressive |
| 09:14.11 | Thrae | Fritti: Not really, there are a bunch of stupid philosophers that people still hold dear |
| 09:14.16 | Fritti | lol |
| 09:14.16 | ckknight | here's a quote regarding that, Mikk: If you want government to intervene domestically, you're a liberal. If you want government to intervene overseas, you're a conservative. If you want government to intervene everywhere, you're a moderate. If you don't want government to intervene anywhere, you're an extremist. – Joseph Sobran (1995) |
| 09:14.17 | Fritti | ok, true :) |
| 09:14.20 | Thrae | Of course, some of them started religions |
| 09:14.34 | Thrae | If you start a religion, then you can REALLY be crazy |
| 09:14.42 | Mikk | \o/ |
| 09:14.50 | Thrae | Wait, that's not right -- some of them had religions form around them |
| 09:14.54 | Fritti | why do I somehow think of scientology all of a sudden |
| 09:14.58 | Fritti | oops |
| 09:15.00 | Fritti | said that out loud |
| 09:15.19 | Amafi | haha,I love scientology |
| 09:15.25 | Fritti | noooo! not the lawsuits! |
| 09:15.26 | Amafi | it's hilarious |
| 09:15.27 | ckknight | don't speak out against the great L. Ron Hubbard, Fritti |
| 09:15.31 | Thrae | Most of the time "prophets" don't start a religion, it's done so after their death |
| 09:15.35 | ckknight | jk. they're wierdos. |
| 09:15.47 | Fritti | I once read a few of the passages in those leaked documents |
| 09:15.54 | Fritti | man, that guy was (is?) disturbed |
| 09:16.19 | *** join/#wowace Kemayo (n=kemayo@pool-71-103-166-178.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) |
| 09:16.24 | Amafi | you should check out one of the NESS podcast episodes where they talk about scientology "superpowers" |
| 09:16.29 | ckknight | also, Mikk: War has all the characteristics of socialism most conservatives hate: Centralized power, state planning, false rationalism, restricted liberties, foolish optimism about intended results, and blindness to unintended secondary results. – Joseph Sobran (1991) |
| 09:16.34 | Thrae | L. Ron Hubbard was not disturbed, he was a brilliant writer of fiction. He was so brilliant, he was able to make a bunch of yuppies believe he was the Anti-Christ and that was a Good Thing(tm). |
| 09:16.52 | Thrae | He was also a bastard, a brilliant bastard. |
| 09:16.58 | Fritti | Thrae: I believe he made himself believe that also |
| 09:17.04 | ckknight | very crafty businessman. |
| 09:17.05 | Fritti | like seriously |
| 09:17.19 | Thrae | Probably when he got old and senile, yeah |
| 09:17.34 | Thrae | I mean, absolute power corrupts absolutely. It's intoxicating. |
| 09:17.47 | Amafi | the coolest people around are breatharians though |
| 09:18.14 | Thrae | Breatharians? Do they believe minty-fresh breath is a sign of spiritual purity? |
| 09:18.29 | Amafi | they believe they can extract nourishment from the air |
| 09:18.39 | Amafi | so they don't need water or food to live |
| 09:18.39 | ckknight | actually, through the sun as well. |
| 09:18.44 | Amafi | aye |
| 09:18.45 | Cartas | Air with an apple in it. |
| 09:18.45 | ckknight | lots of UV rays. |
| 09:18.47 | Thrae | ...We -do- extract nourishment from the air. |
| 09:18.52 | Thrae | Oh, gotcha. |
| 09:19.07 | Amafi | but not quite enough to survive for more than,say,4 days :) |
| 09:19.38 | Thrae | How the hell does a suicide/darwinistic suicide cult survive? Aren't they all dead? |
| 09:19.58 | Amafi | some of their followers die |
| 09:20.08 | ckknight | Liberals want the government to be your Mommy. Conservatives want government to be your Daddy. Libertarians want it to treat you like an adult. – Andre Marrou |
| 09:20.09 | Fritti | speaking of inventing religions: http://www.venganza.org/ |
| 09:20.14 | Thrae | So the ones that don't die, cheat, and lie that they're spiritually pure? |
| 09:20.41 | Amafi | but the people leading the movement either don't believe in it,or they do,and they just eat and drink sometimes,because,you know...just living off air can be a bit boring after a while |
| 09:20.59 | Amafi | seriously confused,deluded,sick people |
| 09:21.14 | Thrae | ckknight: libertarianism is under attack on wikipedia! |
| 09:21.20 | ckknight | it is? |
| 09:21.22 | ckknight | link |
| 09:21.26 | Industrial | so Cartas whats your nick? |
| 09:21.30 | Mikk | Buuhhuhuhuhuullllshiiiiiit. All politicians just want our votes and then prefer us to shut the hell up and let them do what they know better than us :-P |
| 09:21.33 | Cartas | Cartas! |
| 09:21.40 | Thrae | Democracy is 100% OK though, thank goodness |
| 09:21.52 | ckknight | Mikk, fuck politicians. |
| 09:21.56 | Thrae | ckknight: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarianism , what else? |
| 09:22.06 | Amafi | the only problem with democracy are the damn voters |
| 09:22.13 | Amafi | other than that,it's a perfect system |
| 09:22.13 | ckknight | Thrae, Democracy is the worst form of government, except all others that have been tried |
| 09:22.20 | evl | Mikk: how would KC_Items help me read an items stats? |
| 09:22.45 | Thrae | evl: KC_Items stores an item's stats (after compressing them to save space) |
| 09:22.54 | Thrae | That way, you can search by the stats. |
| 09:23.04 | Thrae | All modern item database addons do this now. |
| 09:23.12 | ckknight | Mikk, you ever read any Libertarian literature? |
| 09:23.16 | evl | Aha, I'm only doing simple on-the-fly calculations when hovering over an item |
| 09:23.26 | Mikk | ckknight: Aye. It reads like communism to me. |
| 09:23.32 | Mikk | Well no, not LITERATURE per se. |
| 09:23.38 | ckknight | Mikk, communism, wtf? |
| 09:23.42 | ckknight | it's anti-communist. |
| 09:23.45 | ckknight | This country is a one-party country. Half of it is called Republican and half is called Democrat. It doesn't make any difference. All the really good ideas belong to the Libertarians. – Hugh Downs (1997) |
| 09:23.47 | Mikk | Everyone free to do what they want, etc... |
| 09:24.21 | ckknight | you missed me talking about earned liberty :-P |
| 09:24.37 | Amafi | I had a discussion with a libertarian about 3 years ago that felt it was terrible that the government restricted his right to own slaves |
| 09:24.52 | ckknight | alright. |
| 09:24.53 | ckknight | so? |
| 09:24.59 | ckknight | slaves aren't necessarily bad |
| 09:25.04 | Amafi | haha |
| 09:25.05 | ckknight | as long as they sell themselves into slavery |
| 09:25.14 | ckknight | you can't breed them or capture them |
| 09:25.16 | Amafi | that's such BS |
| 09:25.16 | ckknight | as that'd be wrong. |
| 09:25.24 | ckknight | why? |
| 09:25.28 | Thrae | Communists aren't free to do what they want, the idea of communism is the COMMUNUAL nature, everyone getting together, etc., etc. Libertarianism is like Australia -- "You just stay the hell out of my way and I'll stay the hell out of yours." |
| 09:26.00 | Mikk | Good point, kinda.. but in its extremes, they're actually very much alike. |
| 09:26.11 | ckknight | Communist monkey: Everyone go collect bananas, when we get a million bananas, they will all be divided by a complex mathematical algorithm our top political scientists have come up with |
| 09:26.15 | Mikk | (Keep in mind that if you think you've seen actual communism in the world in the last 50 years, you're wrong) |
| 09:26.23 | ckknight | Capitalist monkey: Go get your own damn bananas, I'm taking a nap. |
| 09:26.44 | Thrae | Extreme Conservative Republicanism is like Facism, Extreme Liberal Democratism is like Socialism |
| 09:27.24 | ckknight | Mikk, what your point is is that marxist-style communism, or anarchism, aka. anarcho-socialism is very similar to Libertarianm, aka. anarcho-capitalism. |
| 09:27.29 | ckknight | which I agree with |
| 09:27.31 | Thrae | All forms of government influence each other, it's the middle ground that is truer to the original ideals. |
| 09:27.38 | Mikk | ckknight: Yeah. Nicely put. |
| 09:27.39 | ckknight | since they both fear/hate government |
| 09:27.51 | ckknight | their economies are different, though. |
| 09:27.53 | ckknight | that's all |
| 09:27.55 | Mikk | okay |
| 09:27.57 | Mikk | yeah true |
| 09:28.04 | Mikk | communism doesn't have a lot in the way of currency |
| 09:28.08 | ckknight | but a lot of the literature can translate back and forth |
| 09:28.16 | ckknight | but definitely not all of it |
| 09:28.29 | Thrae | Political science usually makes a point to separate forms of government and forms of economical structures. |
| 09:28.30 | ckknight | since Libertarianism is very much for private property |
| 09:28.53 | ckknight | whereas Marxism/Communism is against private property, whether it be through state property or public property or no property |
| 09:29.03 | Thrae | Socialism was suppose to go hand-in-hand with communism, but it never did on a global scale. |
| 09:29.05 | Mikk | Either way, neither of them can ever work. Humans just aren't built that way :-P |
| 09:29.19 | Mikk | Other than on a very small scale |
| 09:29.25 | Mikk | Tribe size, tbh |
| 09:29.35 | Industrial | Like I mentioned earlier |
| 09:29.41 | ckknight | you do realize that all the founding fathers were essentially Libertarian... |
| 09:29.52 | Thrae | Mikk: How anti-darwinic |
| 09:29.54 | ckknight | a lot of modern Libertarian literature is actually their writings |
| 09:30.19 | Amafi | they also owned slaves,while writing about freedom and all men being created equal |
| 09:30.19 | Mikk | Thrae: No, very darwinistic. I didn't say it couldn't work with whatever replaces humans down the road :-P |
| 09:30.25 | Amafi | which I just find hilarious |
| 09:30.35 | ckknight | so? |
| 09:30.48 | Mikk | those slaves didn't exactly put themselves in slavery willingly |
| 09:30.50 | Industrial | Cartas, pm :P |
| 09:31.12 | Thrae | Back in 600 AD, we thought Kings were chosen by God and killed each other for fun and territory, and thought slavery was cool, etc., etc. Now we do all of this more secretly and on a much smaller scale. |
| 09:31.16 | Amafi | those slaves were essentially harvested and sold like livestock |
| 09:31.31 | ckknight | Thrae, I'd say a larger scale. |
| 09:31.46 | Mikk | Very much larger |
| 09:31.53 | ckknight | and I agree that wholesale slavery as most people see it is wrong |
| 09:32.09 | Thrae | You can call our progress either amazing or crappy, it's more of a half-full / half-empty sort of thing. We have nothing to base it on. |
| 09:32.12 | ckknight | but the principle of it is essentially not wrong, as long as it is consenting |
| 09:32.19 | ckknight | which in that case it wasn't |
| 09:32.38 | Amafi | how about old school indentured servitude? |
| 09:32.41 | Industrial | the principle of slavery is not wrong? |
| 09:32.44 | Thrae | There is no-such thing as consentual slavery. The definition of slavery forbids it. Those are servants, indentured servants if you will. |
| 09:32.56 | Amafi | basically using convicted criminals for slave labour? |
| 09:33.05 | Amafi | you don't see a problem there either? |
| 09:33.27 | ckknight | ugh, I don't want to debate slavery now. |
| 09:33.27 | Mikk | I'd agree that "willing slavery" is "okay"... as long as you can decide that you no longer want to be a slave in the future. Which kind of makes it NOT slavery. |
| 09:33.35 | Mikk | ^ |
| 09:33.39 | ckknight | Mikk, right. I believe that too |
| 09:33.42 | Amafi | that'd make you an employee |
| 09:33.44 | Mikk | yea =) |
| 09:33.46 | ckknight | but if you were "stolen", that's horrible, imho |
| 09:34.19 | Fritti | in fact, employment ->is<- willing slavery for lots of people who don't particularly like their jobs |
| 09:34.24 | Fritti | imo |
| 09:34.28 | ckknight | right. |
| 09:34.36 | ckknight | I also don't agree in minimum wage |
| 09:34.36 | Thrae | I don't object to your conclusions, I just object to using the word "slavery" |
| 09:34.37 | Amafi | except,they're free to quit |
| 09:34.58 | Amafi | they don't sell themselves into a,say,15 year contract |
| 09:35.01 | Fritti | some do |
| 09:35.03 | ckknight | so I believe that if you want to work for 15 cents a day you should be able to. |
| 09:35.08 | Amafi | basically signing their life over to someone else |
| 09:35.10 | ckknight | granted, I don't recommend it. |
| 09:35.12 | Fritti | never heard of education+employment contracts? |
| 09:35.16 | ckknight | nor would any sane company do so |
| 09:35.25 | Amafi | I have,again,that's different |
| 09:35.31 | ckknight | what about mortgages? |
| 09:35.35 | ckknight | 30 year slavery to your house. |
| 09:35.38 | Fritti | yep |
| 09:35.57 | Fritti | just about to start on that slaving journey :) |
| 09:36.07 | ckknight | okay, for all you leftist-types, what do you think about subsidies? |
| 09:36.12 | ckknight | e.g. farm subsidies and whatnot |
| 09:36.42 | Amafi | depends entirely on how they're implemented |
| 09:36.48 | ckknight | There are many farm handouts; but let's call them what they really are: a form of legalized theft. Essentially, a congressman tells his farm constituency, "Vote for me. I'll use my office to take another American's money and give it to you." – Walter Williams |
| 09:36.53 | vhaarr | ckknight: "Attach to minimap" doesn't work either in FBP-2.0 without AceDB. |
| 09:36.53 | Thrae | Farm subsidies are a bandage on the real problem, corporate greed by buying inferior products overseas. |
| 09:36.58 | Fritti | I'm not wellread into the current situation but I think that kind of subsidies is useful on a very small scale, but not on an EU level |
| 09:37.02 | ckknight | vhaarr, blah. |
| 09:37.10 | Amafi | we wouldn't have much of a ship building industry here if the government hadn't injected huge amounts of money into it over the years |
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| 09:37.20 | ckknight | hooray for globalization and buying cheap products overseas. |
| 09:37.27 | Amafi | that's a bunch of people that'd be out of work |
| 09:37.28 | Gngsk | vhaarr, is that why my BW minimap button doesn't remember that it's attached? |
| 09:37.32 | vhaarr | ckknight: Any way to get these options working on plugins without AceDB through using the FuBar DB if there is one? |
| 09:37.36 | vhaarr | Gngsk: no |
| 09:37.39 | Fritti | a local farmer that produces ecology friendly crops etc, I like the fact that they get a bit of subsidy |
| 09:37.39 | Amafi | and dependant on social security |
| 09:37.54 | ckknight | vhaarr, I dunno, I didn't code it so you could |
| 09:37.58 | Thrae | Except the cheap products carry problems, like pesticides that are not properly cleaned off when they reach our grocery stores. |
| 09:38.04 | Fritti | but the EU farm tax is just a way of keeping things EU-internal and that sucks |
| 09:38.13 | Thrae | Or their methods of caring for their lands may be destructive. |
| 09:38.14 | ckknight | Fritti, I think the government shouldn't provide that, since it's a form of forced charity |
| 09:38.23 | ckknight | and I definitely do not agree with forced charity |
| 09:38.26 | ckknight | e.g. social welfare |
| 09:38.39 | vhaarr | Gngsk: that must be a FBP-2.0 bug |
| 09:38.42 | Amafi | you'd rather see people starve to death? |
| 09:38.44 | Fritti | well I like the fact that it makes people able to try things differently |
| 09:38.51 | Fritti | it provides for other motives than 'make lots of money' |
| 09:38.57 | Thrae | I feel instead of giving money to farmers, we should just properly sanction companies that buy these tainted products. |
| 09:39.07 | ckknight | yes, Amafi, granted, I'd likely give them food, since I believe in non-forced charity |
| 09:39.10 | Gngsk | vhaarr, well it attaches fine, but goes back to the FuBar after I log or /rl |
| 09:39.25 | vhaarr | Gngsk: FBP-2.0 bug, then. |
| 09:39.27 | CIA-11 | 03uruloke * r8158 10ArcHUD2/readme.txt: |
| 09:39.27 | CIA-11 | ArcHUD2: |
| 09:39.27 | CIA-11 | * Updated textfile |
| 09:40.04 | ckknight | Thrae, if companies mislead the public, they should be punished. |
| 09:40.07 | ckknight | I fully agree with that |
| 09:40.09 | Thrae | Corporations, left without regulation, will inevitably do horrible, horrible things. |
| 09:40.14 | Gngsk | hmm, I have another mod using FBP-2.0 that remembers it's attached |
| 09:40.16 | ckknight | I disagree. |
| 09:40.33 | ckknight | corporations, without regulation, will do what is in their best economic interest |
| 09:40.42 | Amafi | and that is generally horrible |
| 09:40.42 | ckknight | which may, due to public opinion, be good in the end |
| 09:40.50 | Fritti | nah, I don't buy that |
| 09:40.56 | Amafi | maybe for people in the local community |
| 09:41.02 | ckknight | I have much less faith in government |
| 09:41.07 | Fritti | for one, once there's a monopoly somewhere there's no competition to keep them awake |
| 09:41.11 | Amafi | but not in the third world country where they build their plants |
| 09:41.31 | Thrae | ckknight: Well, if you take an ideal government, wouldn't that be lead by public opinion? |
| 09:41.33 | Fritti | ie I have no choice but to buy from them so they have no incentive to 'be good in the end' |
| 09:41.35 | Thiana | What is a good class to duo with an affliction speced warlock? |
| 09:41.40 | Thrae | That IS the basis of democracy. |
| 09:42.00 | ckknight | Thrae, an ideal government is no government. |
| 09:42.15 | Uruloke | Thiana: a damage dealer? |
| 09:42.16 | Amafi | that's like the boss in the plant ck |
| 09:42.17 | vhaarr | Gngsk: or FuBar bug, maybe, I don't know. |
| 09:42.24 | Thrae | You're mincing words again. |
| 09:42.25 | Amafi | someone has to do the administrative work |
| 09:42.28 | ckknight | actually, here's a good quote: |
| 09:42.29 | ckknight | If angels were to govern men, neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary. In framing a government that is to be administered by men over men, the great difficulty lies in this: you must first enable the government to control the governed; and in the next place oblige it to control itself. – James Madison |
| 09:42.32 | Gngsk | k, just wondering where I should file it |
| 09:42.40 | vhaarr | Gngsk: ask ckk |
| 09:42.48 | ckknight | file on flyspray |
| 09:42.53 | Gngsk | gotcha |
| 09:42.55 | Amafi | it can either be elected officials,or it can be business |
| 09:42.58 | Thiana | Uruloke: Dmg or healer, just wondering which is the most effective combination for duoing in instances/etc |
| 09:43.18 | ckknight | I'd rather have minimal government, with minimal to no regulation |
| 09:43.36 | Thrae | We are far from being able to amply survive without government. |
| 09:43.37 | ckknight | but that keeps a stringent grip to ensure the free market |
| 09:43.38 | Uruloke | Thiana: in instances I'd say healer... out of instances a damage dealer |
| 09:43.38 | Fritti | so would you regulate monopoly's? |
| 09:43.53 | ckknight | Fritti, yes |
| 09:43.58 | Fritti | so that no AOLTimeWarnerSonyDisney exists? |
| 09:44.07 | ckknight | already said yes |
| 09:44.14 | Fritti | yeah, typing it at the same time :) |
| 09:44.18 | Uruloke | Thiana: possibly a hybrid class such as shaman or paladin who can do both |
| 09:44.22 | ckknight | though corporate mergers aren't necessarily bad |
| 09:44.27 | ckknight | nor are monopolies |
| 09:44.31 | Thrae | I agree that just everyone agreeing on everything because it's now considered "common sense" is the best type of society, but I don't think we're anywhere near that. |
| 09:44.32 | ckknight | as sometimes natural monopolies appear |
| 09:44.48 | Thiana | Uruloke: I'm playing Horde so paladin is out atm. I'll try shaman, thanks :) |
| 09:44.59 | ckknight | it's when abuse of monopoly power occurs that things are bad |
| 09:45.13 | Thrae | Maybe another 1,000 years we'll have a few inklings of it |
| 09:45.15 | Gngsk | a well geared affliction specd warlock doesn't need to duo |
| 09:45.16 | Uruloke | which is bound to happen sooner or later |
| 09:45.24 | Fritti | well if you believe that the leader of said monopoly will 'be good in the end' I guess they're ok |
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| 09:46.02 | Thrae | The first inkling of a truly connected society were forms of global communication. Whether they be by carrier, radio or now even better, the Internet. |
| 09:46.13 | Amafi | if we hadn't had a monopoly in the telecom industry here over the years,50% of the country wouldn't have coverage...not enough people in the outlying regions to turn a profit |
| 09:46.51 | ckknight | right, Amafi, that's an example of a natural monopoly. |
| 09:46.52 | Thrae | I mean damn, we were able to basically mold and shape a Hollywood movie through the Internet. You don't see that type of power existing back in the 1950s! |
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| 09:48.27 | Thrae | Amafi: There comes another problem |
| 09:48.33 | Thrae | The Research Industry |
| 09:48.51 | Thrae | I believe most government wealth should go to the Research Industry. |
| 09:49.08 | Amafi | aye,I'd agree with that |
| 09:49.09 | Thrae | If we don't keep learning about everything, then progress stops. |
| 09:49.33 | Thrae | Monopolies are only necessary when people can gouge because they hold all the damn patents, from the research they funded./ |
| 09:49.49 | ckknight | I don't believe the government should have wealth |
| 09:49.56 | Thrae | Bandwidth for a looong time was expensive because there was a lot of gouging going on. |
| 09:49.58 | ckknight | they shouldn't have stolen it from the people in the first place |
| 09:50.23 | Thrae | ckknight: You're attacking realism with idealism, that doesn't work. |
| 09:50.32 | ckknight | okay |
| 09:50.32 | Amafi | how do you propose infrastructure should be paid for? |
| 09:50.34 | ckknight | here's this: |
| 09:50.40 | Thrae | Sure, everyone should get along, but right now, they -do not-. |
| 09:50.44 | ckknight | In 1950, the average family of four paid 2% of its earnings to federal taxes. Today it pays 24% |
| 09:51.03 | ckknight | fuck those goddamn tax-making government bastards. |
| 09:51.18 | ckknight | Amafi, private corporations |
| 09:51.30 | Amafi | and how would they make their money back? |
| 09:51.32 | Thrae | ckknight: Are you saying the times of 1950 are better then now? |
| 09:51.40 | ckknight | Amafi, charging for services |
| 09:51.46 | ckknight | Thrae, taxwise, yes. |
| 09:51.52 | Amafi | and how is that different from paying taxes? |
| 09:52.09 | Thrae | ckknight: That's obvious. What about -generally-, are you saying -generally- the times of 1950 are better then now? |
| 09:52.17 | ckknight | Amafi, The highwayman takes solely upon himself the responsibility, danger, and crime of his own act. He does not pretend that he has any rightful claim to your money, or that he intends to use it for your own benefit … Furthermore, having taken your money, he leaves you, as you wish him to do … He does not keep "protecting" you by commanding you to bow down and serve him; by requiring you to do this, and forbidding you to do t |
| 09:52.17 | ckknight | hat. – Lysander Spooner |
| 09:52.43 | ckknight | well, Thrae: In 1940, teachers were asked what they regarded as the three major problems in American schools. They identified the three major problems as: Littering, noise, and chewing gum. Teachers last year were asked what the three major problems in American schools were, and they defined them as: Rape, assault, and suicide. – William Bennett (1993) |
| 09:52.54 | ckknight | so maybe. |
| 09:54.05 | Thrae | ckknight: You're saying the polls in 1950 are just as accurate as the polls today? |
| 09:54.15 | ckknight | polls? |
| 09:54.36 | Thrae | ckknight: "In 1940, teachers were asked..." <-- a poll |
| 09:54.40 | ckknight | oh |
| 09:54.40 | ckknight | okay |
| 09:54.45 | Thrae | Sorry, 1940s |
| 09:55.48 | Thrae | I don't believe public opinion polls in 1940 are as accurate as today's. Hell, was there even "rape" back in 1940? Did women even have a choice? I should look that up. |
| 09:55.50 | ckknight | they were probably reasonably accurate, and I won't deny that technology is definitely more advanced now, but I don't really see how that matters to what I said. I see the growing worry of mass media as a big problem and strong influence on society |
| 09:56.25 | Amafi | who would regulate the private coorporation once they own all the infrastructure and there are no viable alternative? |
| 09:56.40 | Neronix | The word 'politics' is derived from the word 'poly', meaning 'many', and the word 'ticks', meaning 'blood sucking parasites'." ~ Larry Hardiman |
| 09:56.42 | Amafi | what keeps them from raising prices,and lowering quality? |
| 09:56.52 | Neronix | That's all I really have to say |
| 09:56.52 | ckknight | such is the undeniable issue of de facto monopolisation |
| 09:57.05 | ckknight | but isn't the same issue prevalent in government, Amafi? |
| 09:57.32 | Amafi | except there,at least,you have a minimal influence by your vote |
| 09:57.54 | ckknight | Amafi, why wouldn't I invest in the corporation that controlled the infrastructure, and get a shareholder vote? |
| 09:58.04 | ckknight | and what's stopping the government from pissing away your money in the same way? |
| 09:58.43 | Amafi | the fact that they crave power and know that if they get too corrupt they won't get elected again? |
| 09:58.58 | Thrae | A government will never be truely libertarian. Take a look at the Democratic and Republican parties -- their roles have basically reversed from when they were the Whig and...damn, forget the name of the other. Some 1,000, 2,000, 10,000 years from now when we have a damn fine society (or we're extinct, the ideal society!), we'll probably have some other name for it. |
| 09:59.39 | Thrae | Then again, we do like to take names from dead or old languages, so maybe the word "libertarian" will survive the millenia. |
| 10:00.02 | Thrae | That is, 3,000 years from now, when we're all speaking...Spanglish ;) |
| 10:00.17 | ckknight | just because America's political system became corrupted by assorted fatcats doesn't mean every libertarian system will be |
| 10:00.36 | Amafi | human nature means any such system will be |
| 10:00.56 | Thrae | I don't see how corruption has anything to do with it, it's just the way our current society model worked out. |
| 10:00.59 | ckknight | I think Libertarianism feeds into human nature |
| 10:01.26 | ckknight | Thrae, the government was corrupted away from its values and into inherant money-grabbing or liberalism |
| 10:01.32 | ckknight | well, leftism |
| 10:01.37 | Daitoku | ips |
| 10:01.41 | ckknight | the whole word "liberal" was also stolen |
| 10:01.43 | Thrae | Leftism is money-grabbing? |
| 10:02.06 | ckknight | no. |
| 10:02.09 | ckknight | notice the or. |
| 10:02.14 | ckknight | both happened |
| 10:02.30 | ckknight | leftism is stealing from Peter to pay Paul. |
| 10:02.39 | ckknight | at least you can count on Paul's vote |
| 10:03.29 | ckknight | Conservatives and liberals are kindred spirits as far as government spending is concerned. First, let's make sure we understand what government spending is. Since government has no resources of its own, and since there's no Tooth Fairy handing Congress the funds for the programs it enacts, we are forced to recognize that government spending is no less than the confiscation of one person's property to give it to another to whom it d |
| 10:03.29 | ckknight | oes not belong – in effect, legalized theft. |
| 10:03.52 | Thrae | Republicans used to be the champions of the people -because- they were conservatives. Back in the day, the states wanted more power. Then, after a time, the people wanted a stronger government. Now I'm not sure what the Democrats and Republicans really stand for except to try and oppose each other. |
| 10:04.11 | Thrae | Corruption has always been prevelant on both sides. |
| 10:04.27 | ckknight | lousy Federalism. |
| 10:06.01 | ckknight | A body of men holding themselves accountable to nobody ought not to be trusted by anybody. – Thomas Paine |
| 10:06.35 | Thrae | ckknight: Your treatise on perfect government is all well and good, but again, I see it as idealism up against realism. Are you saying that a true libertarian government will work in the United States here and now, without compromise to its integrity? |
| 10:07.20 | ckknight | I think that if libertarianism was practiced through and through, we would be in a state of net gain |
| 10:08.29 | ckknight | In our desire to have government become our benefactor and sustainer, we have allowed it to become our taskmaster and overlord. As a result, we have become little more than well-fed, well-entertained slaves to the state. Freedom, as envisioned by our forefathers, is gone. – Chuck Baldwin 2001 |
| 10:08.50 | ckknight | I do not believe that there will be perfection |
| 10:09.02 | ckknight | there will always be murderers and rapists |
| 10:09.27 | ckknight | and thieves and embezzlers |
| 10:09.33 | Thrae | A facist government with a leader that doesn't like murders and rapists is probably better to stop that. |
| 10:09.36 | vhaarr | OnEmbedEnable is run by Ace after the addons OnEnable? |
| 10:09.51 | ckknight | The greater the number of laws and enactments, the more thieves and robbers there will be. – Lao Tsu |
| 10:10.14 | `-FISKER_Q\ | noone gonna fix clockfu 2.0 anytime soon? :P |
| 10:10.26 | ckknight | no, fisker, seeing as I don't know what's wrong. |
| 10:10.35 | `-FISKER_Q\ | me neither :( |
| 10:10.37 | ckknight | Thrae, and surely a benevolent dictatorship is the best form of government, except for the fact that it's so corruptable |
| 10:10.50 | ckknight | Sokurai, no, I won't fix something that doesn't appear broken |
| 10:10.55 | ckknight | err, fisker |
| 10:11.01 | ckknight | don't know why Sokurai showed up there |
| 10:11.18 | FISKER_Q | easier to do auto-tab now :P |
| 10:11.24 | Thrae | ckknight: Without the proper application of regultary force, there's a great deal of corruption to be had in libertarianism too. |
| 10:11.26 | ckknight | and it is the corruptability of government that is the major issue I have. |
| 10:11.43 | ckknight | you cannot expect the government to regulate the government. |
| 10:11.48 | FISKER_Q | anyways it's just not showing up, and someone in here said they knew it was happening but wasn't fixing it right now |
| 10:11.49 | FISKER_Q | :o |
| 10:12.11 | Thrae | ckknight: You're an anarcho-capitalist, right? |
| 10:12.13 | FISKER_Q | If i disable it, it shows the minimap day/night thingy if i enable it, it just doesn't show up |
| 10:12.14 | ckknight | yes |
| 10:12.18 | ckknight | essentially |
| 10:12.23 | ckknight | the proper term is Libertarian |
| 10:12.55 | Thrae | Anarcho-capitalist is more of a subset of Libertarianism, it's like saying you're a Christian. |
| 10:13.10 | ckknight | actually I'd say the opposite. |
| 10:13.16 | ckknight | I'm a Libertarian |
| 10:13.41 | Thrae | Considering the ideals of Anarcho-capitalism are in a constant state of flux... |
| 10:14.02 | ckknight | how so? |
| 10:15.21 | Thrae | There are quite a few forms of government that can fall under anarcho-capitalism. Just from the prefix "anarcho-" you should see a hint that the form of government was never clearly established. "Anarchy" is people doing whatever the hell they want with disregard for others, Libertarianism is a more contractual approach. |
| 10:15.44 | ckknight | see, that's not true with Libertarianism |
| 10:15.57 | ckknight | as a government must be in place, but it must be kept as small as possible |
| 10:17.11 | Thrae | Well, people governing themselves is still a form of government -- even through "contracts" as anarcho-capitalism porports. It's one of the extremes, about one step away from full anarchy. But as you said, you want a little bit more government then that. |
| 10:17.25 | ckknight | right. |
| 10:17.46 | ckknight | don't use etymology to try and further a point which I already disputed |
| 10:17.52 | Amafi | damn phone queues...why do they ALWAYS play Yani and Kenny G? |
| 10:18.20 | ckknight | the government is there to do what would otherwise be illegal, if it were not the government, such as the "necessary" use of force. |
| 10:18.20 | Thrae | People can call themselves just a "Christian" if their beliefs do not fall under any particular church, even though their beliefs may lean towards an already established sect. |
| 10:19.38 | Thrae | Regardless, this debate of "you don't know how to properly use the word 'Libertarian'" is boring, so I concede. |
| 10:20.17 | ckknight | okay |
| 10:21.00 | Amafi | haha,never had this before...there's actually commercials on the phone queue |
| 10:21.10 | ckknight | I'm against taxes first and foremost. Everything else will fall into place after that is established. |
| 10:21.29 | Thrae | My original point was that, given that there are many factions of Libertarianism, what are your particular beli--OK, let's talk about that. |
| 10:21.57 | ckknight | okay. |
| 10:22.57 | Thrae | People who are scientifically brilliant aren't necessarily financially brilliant. How will the Research Industry survive and progress? It seems more likely it would be catering to the needs of the masses, like a better sugar-filled diet pill. |
| 10:23.43 | ckknight | by either corporations, individuals, or philanthropists funding said scientists |
| 10:24.28 | ckknight | it should not be government's responsibility to further technology |
| 10:24.42 | ckknight | people will do that on their own, given the appropriate economic opportunity |
| 10:25.05 | Neronix | Thrae: Your addon list post wins with great vigor. Linking it on my guild forums now... |
| 10:25.08 | Thrae | On what basis do you say this will naturally occur? Logically, a corporation will do what is in its own financial best interest. What is researched today may seem dull and useless may be a huge stepping stone for something brilliant and world-changing. |
| 10:25.24 | Thrae | Neronix: Thanks, I spent longer on it then intended. |
| 10:25.29 | ckknight | and if the government were to fund said research, where would the money come from? |
| 10:26.14 | Thrae | A government is ideally led by popular opinion, not the opinion of individuals with money. Our democracy works maybe 20% by popular opinion. |
| 10:26.55 | ckknight | money's gotta come from somewhere... |
| 10:26.55 | Thrae | Your society would only progress if the individuals that controlled the resources had enough brains to fund the correct projects to allow society to progress. |
| 10:26.57 | ckknight | right. |
| 10:27.05 | ckknight | which I would find adequate |
| 10:28.09 | Amafi | woohoo,they have my mouse in stock...finally I'll be able to leftclick again |
| 10:29.06 | Thrae | Let's use a current model -- Operating Systems. From an overall standpoint, Microsoft's Operating Systems are ahead on flashiness but behind on technology. Yet, they corner the market. Bill Gates decided to kill off competition and slow progress to increase his own wealth. Of course, his success also led to the success of the personal computer because his operating system was easy to use. Yet currently our progress is stifled due to this |
| 10:29.42 | ckknight | due to thi |
| 10:29.56 | Thrae | Microsoft has been basically untouched by government for a good number of years due to the fact that most people don't know WTF an operating system IS. |
| 10:30.07 | Thrae | They're still pretty much untouched. |
| 10:30.30 | ckknight | yes, and I believe that Microsoft violated antitrust laws, and the governing body should've stepped in to protect the free market |
| 10:30.38 | ckknight | in that sense, America failed. |
| 10:31.06 | ckknight | in that no real punishment was given |
| 10:31.17 | Thrae | How can the government step in when any government must be led by the majority of those with influence, and this influencial majority didn't know WTF was happening? |
| 10:31.50 | Amafi | i think the biggest problem for progress in software is the e-patent crap...how can they let someone PATENT floating palettes? |
| 10:32.20 | Thrae | It seems your form of government requires brilliance in all people who have enough influence to engineer social policy, and I disagree we have such a capability right now. |
| 10:32.24 | ckknight | the patent system is flawed and needs to be revised |
| 10:32.43 | ckknight | Thrae, actually just brilliance in the judges... |
| 10:32.47 | CIA-11 | 03rabbit * r8159 10BigWigs/Options.lua: |
| 10:32.47 | CIA-11 | BigWigs: Options: If you do not have FuBar and do toggle /bw plugin minimap Off |
| 10:32.47 | CIA-11 | and relog, BigWigsOptions.minimapFrame will be nil for some reason, but calling |
| 10:32.47 | CIA-11 | :Show on it still works, so lets just work around it for now. |
| 10:32.49 | ckknight | people don't matter so much |
| 10:33.01 | ckknight | and only the ones with capital really do anyway |
| 10:33.08 | Thrae | I see Libertarianism more as a gamble, a toss-up. Either we land in an ideal world, or a world ruled by super corporations. |
| 10:33.23 | ckknight | what's wrong with the latter? |
| 10:33.44 | Amafi | the funniest thing was reading some Adobe guy saying e-patents were needed to secure software progress |
| 10:33.48 | ckknight | companies work by will of the market and will of the shareholders. |
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| 10:34.28 | Thrae | ckknight: The middle-class doesn't hold much influencial stock, the lower class holds none. |
| 10:34.32 | Amafi | how many % of the market have shareholder votes? |
| 10:34.38 | ckknight | Thrae, so? |
| 10:34.49 | Thrae | ckknight: Is your society classless, or there will be classes and you just don't care about them? |
| 10:34.52 | ckknight | Amafi, they should probably work and invest |
| 10:35.02 | ckknight | Thrae, the latter |
| 10:35.17 | ckknight | classes are formed by the ability to manipulate money properly |
| 10:35.21 | Thrae | Are you the person that said poor people choose to be poor? |
| 10:35.33 | ckknight | don't think so, but I partially agree to it |
| 10:35.45 | Thrae | What if they are mentally retarded? |
| 10:35.45 | ckknight | sometimes it's not a choice and some people are just inferior beings |
| 10:36.23 | ckknight | a mentally retarded person wouldn't affect the economy too much |
| 10:36.27 | Thrae | Would you kill them to save them from having to basically be slaves in this world of yours? |
| 10:36.43 | ckknight | no, why would I do that? |
| 10:36.43 | Thrae | I mean, that would probably be the humane thing to do. |
| 10:36.48 | ckknight | I'd be infringing on his or her liberty to live |
| 10:37.15 | ckknight | don't twist my logic into fascism |
| 10:37.17 | Thrae | They'd probably agree to it, since they're mentally retarded and their intelligence is impaired. |
| 10:37.17 | ckknight | that's not what this is. |
| 10:37.49 | evl | Thrae: I'm thinking of making an AEP tooltip addon, would it be easier/nicer if I made it as a plugin for TinyTip perhaps? Is there any API for adding additional info? |
| 10:37.58 | ckknight | we should protect his life, he is after all, a human being, and is afforded basic liberties |
| 10:38.17 | ckknight | a right to live, a right to bear arms, a right to own property |
| 10:38.27 | ckknight | and such |
| 10:38.39 | Thrae | Wouldn't "thinking for a person" or "interpreting their views on liberty" be infringing on their right to assess the views for themselves? Where do you draw the line? |
| 10:39.00 | Amafi | you think mentally retarded persons should have the right to bear arms? |
| 10:39.03 | Thrae | evl: Tell me what AEP is, and I can answer your question. |
| 10:39.12 | ckknight | Amafi, I hope they don't, but I wouldn't want to prevent one from doing so. |
| 10:39.21 | ckknight | when did I say I was going to be thinking for them? |
| 10:40.05 | evl | Thrae: Agility Equivialence Points, a way of calculating an items worth by converting it's stats into agility (http://www.roguespot.com/guides/AEP18.htm) |
| 10:40.44 | Thrae | Well, let's take a seriously mentally retarded person. He says "I want to die." But just because he says "I want to die" doesn't mean he really wants to die, he's mentally retarded, so his communication is impaired. |
| 10:41.12 | Thrae | Proper communication is crucial to a libertarian society, yet that is an example where one party is severely impaired. How can you properly translate? |
| 10:41.43 | Thrae | evl: TinyTip is mainly about Unit Tooltips, it just has the option to change the anchors for other uses of GameTooltip. |
| 10:41.46 | ckknight | he'd have to kill himself under my beliefs. |
| 10:41.55 | ckknight | I'm not against suicide |
| 10:41.57 | evl | Thrae: I see |
| 10:42.03 | ckknight | but someone else shouldn't kill him "for him" |
| 10:42.14 | ckknight | that'd be murder, even if he asked for it |
| 10:42.43 | Thrae | So if a mentally retarded person's natural tendency is to do things that can kill himself, you would just let him die instead of saving him from the fate caused by his mental retardation? Even though he doesn't know the things he are doing would be fatal to him? |
| 10:43.18 | ckknight | where's his mother in all of this? |
| 10:43.19 | Thrae | "he are doing"...I'm typing faster then I can mentally correct my grammar, argh |
| 10:43.35 | ckknight | she should probably be looking out for him. |
| 10:43.40 | Thrae | She's mentally retarded too, it's a known fact mental retardation usually runs in the family |
| 10:43.47 | ckknight | oh well |
| 10:43.53 | ckknight | if he ends up dying, too bad |
| 10:44.01 | Thrae | That seems rather inhumane. |
| 10:44.07 | ckknight | why? |
| 10:44.23 | Thrae | The senseless death of another human being? |
| 10:44.25 | ckknight | you'd have to define humanity first, and the worth of a human being |
| 10:44.48 | ckknight | I'd rather he didn't die |
| 10:44.54 | ckknight | so it's too bad if he does |
| 10:45.09 | ckknight | I don't see the flaw... |
| 10:45.51 | Thrae | But wouldn't you say that a form of government that tries to restrict its people from killing themselves is more humane then one that allows people to perform stupid, dangerous things? |
| 10:46.15 | Thrae | I should say, stupid, senseless, dangerous things. |
| 10:46.17 | ckknight | seems like you want to control people because it's "the best" for them. In a sense, you want to enslave the populous, or at least the retarded. |
| 10:46.43 | ckknight | should they not have the liberty to discover the world on their own? |
| 10:46.48 | ckknight | without your infringing policies |
| 10:47.00 | ckknight | don't touch that, don't smoke that, etc. |
| 10:47.18 | Thrae | Yes, the brilliant should "enslave" society because they're, well, brilliant, they DO know what's best. Isn't that what you have been saying all along? That your society would prosper because the brilliant would lead it? |
| 10:47.48 | ckknight | I have not alluded to that in the slightest. |
| 10:48.19 | ckknight | people with money, investments, and capital will lead society, since they would hold power |
| 10:48.48 | ckknight | I believe in liberty |
| 10:48.50 | Thrae | So you are saying a prosperous society has nothing to do with brilliance? |
| 10:48.55 | ckknight | which goes against slavery in all its forms |
| 10:49.13 | ckknight | no, thrae, as people with money are likely smart |
| 10:49.35 | Thrae | I would think a prosperous society would be one that has the ability to grow the most in all forms of knowledges. Wouldn't that be the one lead by the brilliant? |
| 10:50.12 | ckknight | it's more likely a prosperous society has a strong economy |
| 10:50.19 | ckknight | which would then spur the arts and sciences |
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| 10:50.41 | ckknight | for without a strong economy, we cannot afford such luxuries |
| 10:53.08 | Thrae | Well, let's look at history. The height of democracy back in BC was also the height of arts and sciences. Religion dealt a heavy blow, but they were still going on pretty strong. It took barbarians to come in and pound everything to death to introduce the "Dark Ages", where the arts and science basically came to a halt until the Reinnesance (which I can never spell correctly, forgive me). The barbarians system was far more anarchial then |
| 10:53.25 | ckknight | far more anarchial the.... |
| 10:53.51 | Thrae | Should have said "far closer to anarchy" |
| 10:54.16 | ckknight | for examples of economy stirring culture, refer to the Delian League, the Renaissance, and really any great cultural uprising since then |
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| 10:55.04 | ckknight | it was only because of the massive economy the seas of Greece allowed that Plato and Socrates had the ability to be philosophers. |
| 10:55.58 | ckknight | and it was only because of the great trading that the Italian city-states did previous to and during the Renaissance that the Renaissance took place at all. |
| 10:56.17 | ckknight | without economy, there cannot be art. |
| 10:56.28 | ckknight | at least on such grand scales |
| 10:56.30 | Thrae | And that trading was greatly encouraged by the powerful form of government they had, democracy and imperialism. |
| 10:56.45 | *** join/#wowace Sole (n=no@203.118.159.21) |
| 10:56.47 | Sole | hihi |
| 10:56.48 | Mikk | zomg, are you STILL at it? =) |
| 10:56.51 | ckknight | actually it was mostly an aristocracy in both cases |
| 10:56.56 | ckknight | hey sole |
| 10:56.59 | ckknight | Mikk, apparently. |
| 10:57.02 | Mikk | =) |
| 10:57.24 | Thrae | The barbarians couldn't really get along, thus their trading declined. |
| 10:57.24 | ckknight | the Delian league was controlled by an aristocracy |
| 10:57.25 | Sole | blah so as I found out tonight...implement duration timers into hostelbar is proving a right old bitch |
| 10:57.53 | ckknight | and the Italians were really a confederacy ruled by leaders of businesses in an aristocratic context |
| 10:58.04 | ckknight | that worked on a two-year reappointment system |
| 10:58.36 | Thrae | ckknight: Are you saying your ideal form of government is an aristocracy? |
| 10:58.40 | ckknight | the business-leaders rotated every two years in most city-states, which essentially ensured that no one family came to power |
| 10:58.45 | ckknight | no, Thrae. |
| 10:58.50 | ckknight | when did I ever fucking allude to that? |
| 10:58.54 | ckknight | Jesus Christ. |
| 10:59.05 | ckknight | I want to say that it worked for them, and it spurred the economy. |
| 10:59.13 | ckknight | stop twisting my words around. I don't twist yours. |
| 10:59.56 | Thrae | You said that those that know how to make money should and would have the power in your ideal society. And isn't it common logic that the greater amount of money you have, the easier it is for you to make more? |
| 10:59.58 | ckknight | I could also say the Hitler did a few good things, like start the first nationwide Recycling system |
| 11:00.02 | ckknight | that doesn't make me a nazi. |
| 11:00.24 | Thrae | Therefore, anyone born from the rich has a greater chance to stay rich, thus creating a nobility. |
| 11:00.43 | ckknight | Thrae, yes, as investing large amounts of money allows you to make more money |
| 11:00.54 | Sole | peanuts? |
| 11:00.55 | ckknight | and yes, inheritance would allow children to lead a "legacy" |
| 11:01.30 | ckknight | but in doing so, it would still spur the economy as long as their money was invested wisely |
| 11:01.35 | ckknight | which is really what's important. |
| 11:01.45 | Thrae | So if the people who have money have the power, and many of them come from legacies of corporate-owned power, they are, by definition, nobility, and the government itself an aristocracy. |
| 11:01.58 | Thrae | The nobles always held most of the power and most of the money, that's what -makes- them nobles. |
| 11:02.09 | ckknight | similar, except they wouldn't make laws. |
| 11:02.24 | evl | I'd like to do some lua scripting for some non-ingame-dependant functions here at work while nobody's watching, how do I include the files from the .toc in a regular lua script? |
| 11:02.25 | Thrae | Who wouldn't make laws? |
| 11:02.38 | ckknight | the self-appointed nobility |
| 11:02.53 | Thrae | evl: TOC is purely a WoW-thing |
| 11:02.54 | ckknight | evl, require('thingy.lua') |
| 11:03.01 | evl | thanks |
| 11:03.16 | Thrae | You can use it in Lua obviously, but you don't HAVE to |
| 11:03.23 | Thrae | IE, it's not a "Lua construct" |
| 11:03.36 | Thrae | It's not "part of Lua" |
| 11:03.38 | evl | no, no, just for shady-coding purposes, thanks |
| 11:03.47 | Thrae | evl: I'd take a look at WoWbench |
| 11:03.49 | Thrae | ~wowbench |
| 11:03.53 | purl | from memory, wowbench is at http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWBench |
| 11:03.59 | ckknight | Thrae, in your logic, though, we already have an aristocracy |
| 11:04.17 | evl | oh, pretty |
| 11:04.26 | ckknight | also, someone with very shrewd skills would be able to rise from nothing and make themselves a millionaire, maybe even a billionaire |
| 11:04.37 | Thrae | ckknight: I'd like to think the people still have -some- power. Like I said, maybe around 20%. Not a -total- aristocracy. |
| 11:05.03 | ckknight | Plato said democracy would never work, as the poor would eventually attain power |
| 11:05.30 | Thrae | Plato was mostly crazy, let's leave him out of this. |
| 11:06.18 | ckknight | as I said before, a work stands on its own, it's what you take from it that matters, not who necessarily said it |
| 11:06.19 | Thrae | I certainly don't think democracy is an ideal form of government, I just think it's an realistic government for our current society. |
| 11:07.20 | ckknight | I think that we should have extremely minimal government, and looking on a larger (economic) scale, private corporations, big and small, would attain market power and spur growth and prosperity |
| 11:07.44 | ckknight | I do not see government as the be-all end-all problem/answer to our lives |
| 11:07.50 | ckknight | it is only a part of it |
| 11:07.52 | Thrae | Can you cite any cases in history that a purely libertarian government would not fall into, what I have defined as a total aristocracy, regardless of how intelligent these aristocrats are compared to the rest of the population>? |
| 11:07.55 | ckknight | there is much more to it than that |
| 11:08.14 | ckknight | I don't see what's so bad and why you paint it as so bad. |
| 11:08.22 | ckknight | the rich deserve their riches |
| 11:08.31 | ckknight | in many cases |
| 11:08.32 | ckknight | (not all) |
| 11:08.45 | Thrae | Stupid people that can make money because they have tons and tons of it don't necessarily make good choices for society as a whole! |
| 11:09.24 | ckknight | how'd they get that money in the first place? |
| 11:09.37 | Thrae | Because their great-great-great-great-grandfather was smart. |
| 11:09.50 | Sole | ~lozareth |
| 11:09.52 | purl | A man who stole your FPS and Memory aka The Boogyman of http://www.discordmods.com/ - "I got mem so why not use it" |
| 11:09.52 | ckknight | then who are you to decide that he doesn't deserve it? His grandfather left it to him. |
| 11:10.13 | ckknight | why do you feel so _justified_ to steal it from him? |
| 11:10.17 | Thrae | When did I say he doesn't deserve it? |
| 11:10.25 | ckknight | you alluded to it |
| 11:10.42 | Neronix | You 2 still going? ;P |
| 11:10.46 | Thrae | No I didn't, I said he was stupid, but could maintain his wealth because he had so much of it to start with. |
| 11:10.47 | ckknight | apparently |
| 11:10.51 | ckknight | alright |
| 11:10.56 | ckknight | so what's so bad? |
| 11:10.59 | Thrae | And since he is stupid, he can't make good choices for society. |
| 11:11.02 | ckknight | if he can maintain, all the better |
| 11:11.16 | ckknight | and if he does lose it, it doesn't just disappear, someone else will take it. |
| 11:11.22 | Thrae | It's the "making good choices for society" that's bothering me. |
| 11:11.44 | ckknight | maybe you aren't in the position to know what's a good choice and what's a bad choice? |
| 11:12.01 | ckknight | maybe since it's his money, he deserves the liberty to make said bad choice |
| 11:12.13 | Thrae | Neither of us are in a position to know what's a good choice and a bad choice in a fictious society that doesn't currently exist. |
| 11:12.26 | Thrae | We're speaking in the pure hypothetical here. |
| 11:12.36 | ckknight | alright |
| 11:12.57 | ckknight | but would you not agree that he should be free enough to spend _his_ money the way _he_ pleases |
| 11:13.07 | ckknight | not how the 'majority' feels about it |
| 11:13.10 | Thrae | So, suppose he IS making a bad choice. Suppose most of the people with power are, well, stupid. How can society prosper? |
| 11:13.59 | ckknight | lol, how would all of society have/keep their money if they were like that? |
| 11:15.06 | Thrae | From the notion that it is easier to make money the more money you currently have. They are not as smart as the people below them, but they still get ahead because they are farther ahead to start out with. With current models, I don't think you can say with 100% accuracy that everyone who's smart will keep pushing the stupid people with all the money out of the races. |
| 11:16.08 | ckknight | don't you think if he/the elite were as stupid as you say, don't you think they would lose the money? If they were so stupid, they'd either lose their money or piss it away going bankrupt. |
| 11:16.19 | Thrae | Like I said, libertarianism still seems like a gamble to me. It could work if smart people keep on top, but current models give the possibility of the stupid elite staying on top too. |
| 11:16.28 | ckknight | and if there were some sort of "government", what would prevent them from falling into said stupidity? |
| 11:17.15 | Thrae | Well, let's go back and define intelligence. Is Bill Gates smarter then a scientist who cures cancer, but doesn't make any money off of it? |
| 11:17.38 | ckknight | curing cancer would be a good thing |
| 11:17.51 | ckknight | granted, the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation probably funded him. |
| 11:18.25 | Thrae | Which is a red herring. You didn't answer my question. |
| 11:18.32 | ckknight | Bill Gates is a very smart and shrewd businessman, even if he was born into a good family or has his own personal issues |
| 11:18.56 | Thrae | OK, so what about this poor, broke scientist who cured cancer? |
| 11:18.58 | ckknight | I don't think the question matters, as it is impossible without funding. |
| 11:19.21 | ckknight | and I don't think the scientist would necessarily be a good business leader |
| 11:19.24 | Thrae | The scientist put all his funding into research, he's broke when he cures cancer. |
| 11:19.35 | ckknight | lol, why didn't he patent? |
| 11:19.38 | ckknight | he could make a fortune. |
| 11:19.38 | Thrae | Yes, but what -power- does this scientist have? |
| 11:19.51 | ckknight | patenting his cure. |
| 11:19.56 | Thrae | Compared to, say, Bill Gates. |
| 11:20.06 | ckknight | he could make money off his patent. |
| 11:20.27 | Thrae | Let's say he didn't, because he thinks patents are evil entities from outer space. He's clinically insane, yet he cured cancer. |
| 11:20.47 | ckknight | well, then he's definitely not in a position to have power, is he? |
| 11:20.53 | Fritti | but... patents *are* evil entities from outer space :) |
| 11:20.56 | ckknight | he can go on Oprah to get publicity. |
| 11:21.15 | ckknight | not true, Fritti, patents are good, it's just that software patents are bad. |
| 11:21.23 | Thrae | You may think this is ridiculous, but modern medicine is finding the old saying "there's a thin line between genius and insanity" to be true not only in society, but in brain chemistry too ;) |
| 11:21.43 | ckknight | Thrae, I am _very_ familiar with that, you don't have to tell me. |
| 11:21.58 | ckknight | you know the difference between an insane poor person and an insane rich person? |
| 11:22.02 | Thrae | Well, I consider this an open discussion, Fritti is listening. |
| 11:22.03 | ckknight | the poor person should be locked up |
| 11:22.03 | Fritti | ckknight: ok, true |
| 11:22.09 | ckknight | the rich one is just eccentric. |
| 11:22.14 | Mikk | So.. in a nation funded by libertarianists, how come the US looks like it does today? :-P |
| 11:22.15 | Fritti | no I wasn't really listening, I just dropped in again |
| 11:22.19 | Mikk | ... discuss! :-) |
| 11:22.20 | Thrae | ckknight: Do you really believe that or are you just joking? |
| 11:22.20 | ckknight | Mikk, it's not. |
| 11:22.48 | ckknight | Thrae, it was a half-joke |
| 11:22.59 | Thrae | How is that notion a "half-joke"? |
| 11:23.12 | ckknight | I was joking, but it makes you think. |
| 11:23.50 | Thrae | No it doesn't. I see a rich person buying nuclear weapons and blowing up the world because he thinks he's told to by God. End of society right there. |
| 11:24.27 | Thrae | Insane rich people should be locked up just like insane poor people. Locked up in a place they can be treated, but in a place they cannot hurt society. |
| 11:24.40 | ckknight | he doesn't have the liberty to do that, as he would be harming others. |
| 11:24.43 | ckknight | as I said before. |
| 11:25.00 | ckknight | I don't know why you keep running in circles about this. |
| 11:25.05 | Thrae | Who would stop him? |
| 11:25.24 | ckknight | we are not afforded to break the standard liberties because we have a lot of money. |
| 11:25.36 | ckknight | Thrae, police |
| 11:25.44 | Thrae | He's uber-rich, he can basically buy countries. He can bribe judges, he can bribe the police. |
| 11:26.10 | ckknight | then we're fucked, but where's the difference between that and today's society? |
| 11:26.27 | CIA-11 | 03greywind 07greywind * r8160 10Teknicolor/: Teknicolor: branching to fix some 1.12 cross realm bg bugs |
| 11:26.50 | CIA-11 | 03elkano * r8161 10AutoAttack/ (. AutoAttack.lua AutoAttack.toc): AutoAttack - quick'n'dirty fix for the changes in SSEAura-1 |
| 11:26.56 | Thrae | I like to think Joe Schmoe is a little more involved with the aristrocrats then in your libertarian / arisocratic society. |
| 11:27.38 | ckknight | oh, Joe Schmoe can do more than the corrupt police and corrupt judges can, hrm? |
| 11:28.01 | Elkano | greywind isn't on IRC, is he? |
| 11:28.15 | Thrae | If we did a report on all the things that could go wrong with converting the United States to a libertarian society today, and leaving it the way it is to grow into whatever down the road, I firmly believe the latter would have less risks. |
| 11:28.47 | ckknight | but more taxes. |
| 11:29.11 | ckknight | also, I don't want to end up being strip-searched in order to cross the border. |
| 11:29.17 | ckknight | how is that not a risk? |
| 11:29.23 | ckknight | a risk of losing your privacy |
| 11:29.29 | Fritti | <3 clad|sleep for the sandbox svn |
| 11:29.30 | ckknight | a risk of losing your right to free speach |
| 11:29.47 | ckknight | aren't those more important than other risks? |
| 11:29.50 | ckknight | speech* |
| 11:29.54 | Thrae | Hey, I'd rather not pay taxes too. But I'd rather let my children and grandchildren pay taxes then have a greater chance of them dying or society crumbling. |
| 11:30.01 | Elkano | btw: Thrae, you don't like me, do you? :( ;) |
| 11:30.13 | ckknight | I'd rather die than lose my constitutional rights. |
| 11:30.13 | Thrae | Elkano: ...Why do you say that? |
| 11:30.22 | Elkano | your addon thread |
| 11:30.38 | Thrae | I don't remember mentioning your name |
| 11:30.55 | Elkano | exactly ;) |
| 11:31.08 | Thrae | Oh, well, I could never get Elkano Buff Bar to work, hence I couldn't recommend it |
| 11:31.24 | Thrae | This may be due to my own incompetance, and is mostly due to my own laziness |
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| 11:31.41 | ckknight_ | gah |
| 11:31.43 | ckknight_ | <ckknight> stop skirting the goddamn issue. It isn't just about taxes, it's about liberty more than anything |
| 11:31.46 | CIA-11 | 03maia * r8162 10Detox/Detox.lua: Detox: added "/detox clean" which does the same as the keybinding. |
| 11:32.26 | Elkano | well, it's not aced yet anyways (but I'm in the progress of acing it); but there's eg FactionsFu or GuildFu on SVN (I know that ther already was a GuildFu, but that didn't stop me from coding;) ) |
| 11:32.56 | Thrae | ckknight: I could spout off a few quotes of famous philosophers saying (some of our founding fathers), "Sometimes you must give up your freedom to gain security." |
| 11:33.09 | Thrae | However, I won't, because I feel quotes have no place in a debate. |
| 11:33.21 | ckknight_ | They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. – Benjamin Franklin |
| 11:33.40 | ckknight_ | I would never want to give up my freedom. |
| 11:33.53 | ckknight_ | even if it meant losing some of my security. |
| 11:34.14 | Thrae | Elkano: I tried to avoid linking to the SVN whenever possible because this was for my guild, and I'm sure a few will not use any addon that requires using a SVN client due to laziness / not being able to figure it out. |
| 11:34.41 | Thrae | Make that "quite a few" |
| 11:34.59 | Elkano | well, I think FactionsFu is almost complete and Guildfu is most likely only missing locals :) |
| 11:35.20 | Thrae | Elkano: Release it on the sites and I'll link it |
| 11:35.28 | Elkano | I will :) |
| 11:35.41 | Thrae | In fact, it's my goal to make sure every SVN reference on that list is released soon |
| 11:35.51 | Thrae | Because they all are release candidates in my mind |
| 11:36.00 | Industrial | If I'm on it - I dont use addon sites |
| 11:36.20 | Thrae | Industrial: I didn't link to just the mainstream addon sites |
| 11:36.29 | Thrae | Just getting it out of SVN is fine enough for me |
| 11:36.41 | Industrial | I should start addong text files to my addons stating its not licensed so anyone can do anything with it |
| 11:36.45 | Industrial | adding* |
| 11:37.15 | Thrae | I wouldn't have any qualms about our current SVN /trunk system if we had even tarballs. |
| 11:37.54 | Industrial | Thrae, Why don't you pack them up into one compilation then? |
| 11:38.12 | Kyahx|afk | Thrae: make a compilation, but include the .svn files in your comp. |
| 11:38.22 | Industrial | Thrae, that way it always works and If you use it it means they get the latest versions too |
| 11:38.25 | Kyahx|afk | Then tell them to install Tortise, and they will automagically be able to update from there |
| 11:38.33 | Thrae | Then again, I'm not sure how good the CPU is on the SVN server, even just tar'ing might kill it, which is probably the reason why they stopped allowing it. |
| 11:38.41 | Kyahx|afk | Basically, your doing the checkout for them :P |
| 11:39.20 | Thrae | Well, that's another solution, making a script which pulls out the latest version. But it would have to work with the major addon sites too. |
| 11:39.43 | Thrae | And, various other websites, like in Industrial's case. |
| 11:40.15 | Industrial | Thrae, I only host my stuff on the SVN :( |
| 11:40.36 | Thrae | Industrial: I remember you having a site |
| 11:40.39 | Industrial | Thrae, I meant more as in you ensure that yo have a working version of tha addons and you zip that up as a compilation for the guild to use |
| 11:40.46 | Industrial | Thrae, yeah I terminated my account there |
| 11:40.52 | Thrae | Ahh |
| 11:41.18 | Industrial | I got it - t'was a friends box - to learn to handle *nix years ago |
| 11:41.24 | Thrae | Well, I could do that for the SVN addons, but I'd rather a -stable- version is released on at least one addon site. |
| 11:41.33 | Industrial | been only using it for irc and webspace - didnt seem fair anymore |
| 11:41.41 | Thrae | Because as we know, even /trunk does not guaruntee real stability. |
| 11:42.06 | Industrial | well yeah but as soon as you have a new stable version you can update it |
| 11:42.19 | Kyahx|afk | work time =/ |
| 11:42.23 | Industrial | cya Kyahx|afk |
| 11:42.32 | Thrae | Then people would have to learn how to go back revisions, and that gets tricky when you're dealing with externals. Is Tortoise smart enough to revert the versions of externals back to the version used when the particular revision was comitted? |
| 11:43.09 | Neronix | afaik, Tortoise is just a frontend to svn itself |
| 11:43.16 | Neronix | if svn can, so can Tortoise |
| 11:43.24 | Neronix | (by svn, I mean the commandline svn) |
| 11:43.36 | Thrae | OK, let's say commandline svn. Is there an option for it to be smart like that? |
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| 11:43.46 | Industrial | Thrae, no you are not getting it |
| 11:44.00 | Industrial | Thrae, I mean not that people have to download the addons - you do it |
| 11:44.20 | Industrial | Thrae, you zip the collection up - and update it when new addon versions are stable |
| 11:44.27 | Thrae | Industrial: Yes, but that's work for me making a script |
| 11:44.40 | Industrial | that is - if you intend to use it yourself |
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| 11:44.41 | *** mode/#wowace [+o MoonWolf] by ChanServ |
| 11:44.52 | wereHamster | BigWigs\RaidWarn.lua:64 attempt to index field 'db (a nil value) |
| 11:45.15 | Thrae | As I tried maintaining a complilation and it's a lot of work keeping some 50+ addons up-to-date |
| 11:45.39 | Thrae | Really, what I want is my guild to -learn- how to use the SVN and become -smarter- and maintaining their -own- compliation. |
| 11:46.16 | Shyva | wereHamster, when do you get that error? |
| 11:46.23 | Thrae | Which is why I'd just like to start off with everything on the release sites, but -encouraging- people to use the SVN. I don't want people to just quit because the learning curve is too steep to start out with. |
| 11:46.54 | [Ammo] | wereHamster: do you accidently have BigWigs_RaidWarn installed? |
| 11:46.56 | [Ammo] | if so delete that |
| 11:47.19 | [Ammo] | BigWigs_RaidWarn == old and nolonger needed |
| 11:47.54 | Thrae | OK, can anyone go to http://www.matts-hosting.com ? |
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| 11:48.01 | Tuplad | Im on it |
| 11:48.02 | wereHamster | [Ammo], thanks, that was it |
| 11:48.13 | Mikk | Thrae: "Index of /" |
| 11:48.21 | [Ammo] | Tekkub should delete it from WOWi |
| 11:48.24 | Thrae | I need to go to my family's house and I want to make sure my domain is working. |
| 11:48.25 | Shyva | he did |
| 11:48.30 | [Ammo] | k good |
| 11:48.36 | Thrae | Mikk: Mmmm |
| 11:48.37 | Tuplad | Thrae: it works |
| 11:48.46 | Tuplad | Thrae: http://www.matts-hosting.com/apache2-default/ |
| 11:49.03 | Kebinusan | So I have this weird thing happening, I have to fubar bars and every time I login a few plugins always get moved to a bar they werent on when I logged out... namely bigwigs, nanostats2, oneview, bugsack, and miniclockfu... any ideas? |
| 11:49.11 | Thrae | I forget if I redid my webpage after my server crashed |
| 11:49.14 | Kebinusan | err make that two bars not to |
| 11:49.36 | Thrae | Ah, it's just not pointing to the correct location |
| 11:49.47 | Thrae | OK, that means it's probably working. |
| 11:49.54 | Thrae | I'll put "a webpage" on my TODO list. |
| 11:53.36 | Thrae | If you ever want to put ssh access on your computer, remember -- port-knocking is your friend. |
| 11:55.05 | Elkano | knock on 5 ports in the correct order and *wush* there'll be an ssh port for you? ;) |
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| 11:57.07 | ckknight_ | essentially, Elkano |
| 11:57.46 | maia | anyone happen to know how to change something inside an AceOptions table on the fly? I'd need a submenu with a list of all current raid members, each with a toggle option |
| 11:58.21 | Elkano | oh, maia, good to see you: do I have to manually enable RosterLib? |
| 11:58.26 | maia | (CorkFu does something similar, but it's not FuBar2, and also requires FuBar, and I don't really understand the code anyway= |
| 11:58.38 | maia | yes, Elkano. |
| 11:58.53 | Thrae | CorkFu is not a good example as it is a hybrid Ace / Ace2 addon. |
| 11:58.54 | ckknight_ | maia, just change the table? |
| 11:58.58 | Thrae | Anyway, I'm off. |
| 11:58.59 | Elkano | should I run disable when my addon disables? |
| 11:59.05 | maia | Elkano: yes. |
| 11:59.12 | Elkano | ok :) |
| 11:59.13 | maia | ckknight_: thats all? |
| 11:59.31 | ckknight_ | yep. |
| 11:59.51 | maia | ckknight_: oh, wait. I guess I don't know how the table would look for a list of generated stuff. |
| 12:00.07 | Elkano | so now there is really only the localization missing for GuildFu :) Using RosterLib to show if the guildmate is in your group/raid... could be usefull for raid invites since GuildFu allows alt-click invite :) |
| 12:00.23 | ckknight_ | maia, it'll be as if you properly created it at the start |
| 12:00.28 | maia | or do I use: raid1 = { type = "toggle", name = UnitName("raid1"),...} ? |
| 12:00.41 | ckknight_ | that works. |
| 12:01.01 | maia | ckknight_: and that's how it should be? or can't I use a loop somehow? |
| 12:01.12 | ckknight_ | sure, use a loop. |
| 12:01.22 | maia | well, thats my question; how? :) |
| 12:02.43 | ckknight_ | magic, mostly |
| 12:02.47 | ckknight_ | alternatively: |
| 12:02.50 | maia | something like: for name in roster do options.ignore[name] = { type = "toggle", name = name, set = function(v) ... } end ? |
| 12:03.03 | ckknight_ | okay, that works. |
| 12:03.38 | maia | so then I'd have a group named "ignore" with a list of all current names, each with a toggle? Seems to be easy. |
| 12:05.25 | CIA-11 | 03greywind 07greywind * r8163 10Teknicolor/Core.lua: Teknicolor: *sigh* tryed to add cross server names, not working atm |
| 12:08.29 | CIA-11 | 03phyber * r8164 10GCInfo/Libs/: |
| 12:08.29 | CIA-11 | GCInfo: |
| 12:08.29 | CIA-11 | - Added externals on Libs/, forgot to do it on initial commit. |
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| 12:11.30 | CIA-11 | 03phyber * r8165 10FuBar_GCInFu/Libs/: |
| 12:11.30 | CIA-11 | FuBar_GCInFu: |
| 12:11.31 | CIA-11 | - Set externals on Libs/ |
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| 12:13.33 | vhaarr | ckknight_: http://ace.pastebin.ca/134501 makes non-AceDB FBP2.0's attachable to the minimap, but they will of course forget that when you relog. |
| 12:14.11 | vhaarr | but plugins forget that anyway, even if they have a AceDB |
| 12:15.03 | phyber | do plugins remember where you put them again yet? :| |
| 12:15.04 | CIA-11 | 03aileen * r8166 10FuBar_VolumeFu/libs/: VolumeFu - externals |
| 12:15.22 | vhaarr | phyber: I have no idea. |
| 12:15.22 | phyber | I still have a ton of them that go to random (maybe their default?) positions when i login. |
| 12:15.26 | vhaarr | ckknight: OK to commit? |
| 12:15.41 | Elkano | Anyone using ModMenuTuFu who's also missing the FuBar options in it's menu? |
| 12:15.51 | Kebinusan | phyber, Im having a similar problem wtih a few plugins |
| 12:15.58 | snurre | yep, Elkano |
| 12:16.01 | Kebinusan | not all of em though |
| 12:16.05 | CIA-11 | 03aileen * r8167 10FuBar_VolumeFu/libs/: VolumeFu - speeling error |
| 12:16.23 | vhaarr | Kebinusan: |FuBar_ModMenuTuFu.overrideMenu = true| |
| 12:16.33 | vhaarr | erm |
| 12:16.35 | vhaarr | Elkano: ^ |
| 12:16.56 | *** mode/#wowace [+o ckknight] by ChanServ |
| 12:17.24 | Elkano | vhaarr, they used to be in their own submenu but from one checkout to another that submenu was empty :/ |
| 12:17.27 | phyber | Kebinusan: yeah, not all of them. the ones I can remember that don't save are: MailFu, Squishy, BigWigs, GCInFu, MiniClockFu, AutoBuff, ToFu. |
| 12:18.14 | Kebinusan | ^^^ and bugsack, nanostats2, and snafu |
| 12:18.23 | Elkano | MailFu now does for me but ExpirenceFu doesn't anymore after updating it to 2.0 |
| 12:18.43 | maia | well, if I'd know what I'd need to do to save position, I'd do it. |
| 12:19.19 | phyber | Kebinusan: ahh, yeah. BugSack and SnaFu too for me. I've not upgraded to NanoStats 2 yet, so don't know about that one :) |
| 12:19.35 | Kebinusan | Its actually kind of weird, I a large bar at the top and a smaller bar, when I drag the icons between them, they snap to the right place |
| 12:19.46 | Kebinusan | just every time I relog the get mixed between bars |
| 12:19.58 | phyber | Kebinusan: I have the same setup, and they do snap to the correct place also :) |
| 12:20.35 | Kebinusan | Id guess flyspray it or harass cknight |
| 12:20.48 | Kebinusan | or both! |
| 12:21.09 | phyber | there's already some harassment on there. ;) |
| 12:21.19 | ckknight | note: if you harass me, I'm just going to ignore you out of spite |
| 12:21.42 | Kebinusan | how about seduce you with cool ale and warm women |
| 12:21.52 | CIA-11 | 03ammo * r8168 10BigWigs/Other/Test.lua: |
| 12:21.52 | CIA-11 | BigWigs: |
| 12:21.52 | CIA-11 | * Added consoleOptions to the test module. |
| 12:21.52 | CIA-11 | * Closes: FS#107 . Test module never got converted |
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| 12:22.55 | Mikma | hmm neat |
| 12:23.00 | Mikma | svn update FuBar* ... |
| 12:23.11 | Mikma | seems to work so i don't have to do it 1 by 1 |
| 12:23.56 | CIA-11 | 03aileen * r8169 10FuBar_VolumeFu/FuBar_VolumeFu.toc: |
| 12:25.21 | vhaarr | ckknight: not sure if that is directed at me or not, but I hardly consider a patch link harassment |
| 12:25.37 | ckknight | it wasn't |
| 12:25.57 | vhaarr | hm, did you get it or were you disconnected? |
| 12:26.49 | Mikma | heh seems like svn update * works too :D |
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| 12:28.50 | phyber | purl: google shell expansion |
| 12:29.07 | phyber | :( |
| 12:31.19 | haste_ | ~google 10+3 |
| 12:31.27 | haste_ | :-( |
| 12:31.50 | Kebinusan | ~whalepipes purl |
| 12:31.59 | Kebinusan | err tubes bleh |
| 12:32.20 | kergoth | ~emulate chris |
| 12:32.24 | purl | When I stick this army guy with the sharp bayonette up my nose, it tickles my brain. Hah hah hah ... ow. Oh, now I don't know math. |
| 12:32.25 | ckknight | ~10+3 |
| 12:32.26 | purl | 13 |
| 12:32.40 | Mikma | ~rinsult |
| 12:32.56 | kergoth | ew |
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| 12:37.22 | ckknight | ~internet |
| 12:37.29 | purl | the internet is not something you can just dump on, it's not a big truck, it's a series of tubes. |
| 12:37.39 | Mikma | ~theinternet |
| 12:38.03 | Mikma | hmm where's the "Internet is for porn!" |
| 12:38.25 | haste_ | ~tubes |
| 12:40.30 | Mikma | wth |
| 12:42.09 | Kebinusan | ~whaletubes haste_ |
| 12:42.11 | purl | ACTION stuffs an incredibly flexible whale named Theodore into haste_'s tubes. haste_'s internets no worky :( |
| 12:42.54 | Mikma | http://wow.reaktio.net/bw.txt |
| 12:42.56 | Mikma | this is not good |
| 12:44.59 | CIA-11 | 03rabbit * r8170 10BigWigs/Other/Test.lua: BigWigs: Test: Bugfix. |
| 12:48.19 | [Ammo] | Mikma: fixe |
| 12:48.21 | [Ammo] | Mikma: fixed |
| 12:48.32 | [Ammo] | teaches me to copy paste junk |
| 12:49.00 | Mikma | thanks, it's gone noe |
| 12:50.32 | [Ammo] | can't run WoW anymore here, something destroyed my nifty software emulated hardware 3d graphicsdrivers :) |
| 12:52.24 | vhaarr | ckknight: hm, apparently :SetHint isn't shown on any detached tablets, is that a bug? |
| 12:52.26 | Mikma | something = you? :( |
| 12:52.38 | ckknight | vhaarr, oh, not a bug, detached tooltips don't how hints or titles |
| 12:52.47 | vhaarr | ckknight: because normally the FuBar tablet hits are about what happens when you click, etc |
| 12:52.49 | vhaarr | ckknight: right |
| 12:54.09 | vhaarr | heh |
| 12:54.31 | vhaarr | tablet "only" supports 6 columns, I need 8 |
| 12:56.51 | CIA-11 | 03greywind 07greywind * r8171 10Teknicolor/Core.lua: Teknicolor: more tinkering, still not working |
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| 12:58.23 | Mikma | paris hilton - stars are blind |
| 12:58.33 | Mikma | ... someone shoot her in the head |
| 12:58.45 | vhaarr | and give me the corpse after |
| 12:58.54 | vhaarr | erm, so I can bury her properly, I mean |
| 12:59.03 | Mikma | yeah, suuuure :) |
| 13:01.02 | ckknight | man, my class schedule is gonna be fucked up... |
| 13:01.19 | ckknight | the way I have it set up, I always end at 5:05 PM |
| 13:01.29 | ckknight | granted, I don't ever start classes till like 2... |
| 13:01.36 | vhaarr | lol |
| 13:02.18 | ckknight | and I still need to take placement tests for math and comp sci |
| 13:02.30 | ckknight | so the whole thing might change |
| 13:02.35 | ckknight | lousy education |
| 13:02.58 | vhaarr | just quit school and start working, then work for 10 years and go back to school, like me |
| 13:03.02 | vhaarr | or wait |
| 13:03.03 | vhaarr | nah, don't |
| 13:03.20 | ckknight | my business cards should be ready tomorrow... |
| 13:03.50 | Mikma | "ckknight, ace of lua" ? |
| 13:04.27 | ckknight | says Cameron Kenneth Knight, Computer Technician, Software Developer, Web Developer, then lists my phone and email |
| 13:04.35 | ckknight | also, it has the knight chess piece on it |
| 13:06.07 | ckknight | it look pretty nice |
| 13:06.14 | ckknight | hopefully I'll get some contacts |
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| 13:07.42 | vhaarr | ckknight: well, blizzard knows you exist, right? Ace2 is a nice piece of work after all. |
| 13:07.52 | ckknight | not sure they do know I exit |
| 13:07.54 | ckknight | exist* |
| 13:07.59 | ckknight | that'd be a damn sweet job, though |
| 13:08.02 | vhaarr | then you should make sure |
| 13:08.16 | ckknight | hell, I'd move to California |
| 13:08.25 | ckknight | not France, thoug |
| 13:08.27 | ckknight | though* |
| 13:08.31 | vhaarr | :P |
| 13:08.33 | ckknight | don't feel like doing that... |
| 13:08.37 | vhaarr | I'd move to France in a jiffy. |
| 13:08.49 | Mikk | l2speakfrench first |
| 13:08.52 | ckknight | I don't know any French |
| 13:08.57 | Mikma | ain't paris a town of love |
| 13:09.01 | Mikk | no |
| 13:09.02 | ckknight | and I'm studying Mandarin now |
| 13:09.03 | vhaarr | They should lern2speak Norwegian imo |
| 13:09.15 | ckknight | you all should learn to speak English :-P |
| 13:09.25 | Mikk | paris is a town of stuck-up assholes as long as you try to speak english to them |
| 13:09.37 | vhaarr | Mikk: yeah, so I'll be speaking norwegian instead. |
| 13:09.44 | ckknight | Parlais vous Ingles? |
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| 13:10.02 | Mikk | vhaarr: They'll be friendlier I think, but the net result will be the same :-P |
| 13:10.03 | vhaarr | nei |
| 13:10.08 | vhaarr | Mikk: :P |
| 13:10.31 | ckknight | Mikk, just wait for a loud noise to go off, then while they're all busy trying to surrender, steal their goods. |
| 13:10.55 | Neronix | wtf? Visor Om Slutet (Finntroll album) has no actual metal on it O.o |
| 13:11.05 | Neronix | DELETED!! *bzzt* |
| 13:11.22 | Mikk | why would it have metal on it? |
| 13:11.23 | vhaarr | Finntroll isn't only metal :) |
| 13:11.38 | Neronix | Aren't they a folk metal band? |
| 13:11.41 | vhaarr | and the album IS actually called "Visor" |
| 13:12.03 | vhaarr | visor is swedish for folk |
| 13:12.06 | vhaarr | in a way |
| 13:12.15 | Mikk | Visor is swedish for "folk song" |
| 13:12.35 | Neronix | Ah, I see |
| 13:13.15 | Mikk | it has very little to do with visors and sluts :-P |
| 13:13.49 | Neronix | I kind of guessed ;P |
| 13:19.07 | JoshBorke | morning |
| 13:19.57 | Neronix | morning |
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| 13:27.41 | tumetom | hi |
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| 13:38.56 | vhaarr | ckknight: can I check in that FBP-2.0 patch? |
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| 13:43.16 | evl | Anyone know how to reload the current environment in WoWBench aka /console reloadui? |
| 13:45.59 | Thiana | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:55.59 | Mikk | evl: just quit and restart |
| 13:56.07 | Mikma | hmmrph |
| 13:56.15 | Mikk | A "/console reloadui" in WoW restarts the entire Lua environment |
| 13:56.16 | Mikma | basshunter - boten anna ... on our music tv |
| 13:56.25 | Mikma | this is some twisted shit really |
| 13:56.27 | Mikk | The only way to accomplish that in wowbench is to.... restart wowbench |
| 13:56.37 | Mikk | Since it's 100% lua |
| 13:57.18 | Mikk | evl: don't use the acesvn version btw. it's just an outdated version that kergoth and someone else was hacking on |
| 13:59.21 | CIA-11 | 03mikk * r8172 10wowbench/: Delete acesvn wowbench copy. Outdated. Just ask Mikk for access to the sourceforge wowbench repo. |
| 14:00.17 | JoshBorke | Mikk, you should really replace most of the files to dump out 'Contact mikk for sourceforge access' until the ctrl+c the process |
| 14:01.34 | Mikma | Mikk: where was the list you generated about ace2 addons? |
| 14:02.03 | Neronix | That reminds me, can you do some nospam kinda thing on the email addresses please? |
| 14:02.09 | tumetom | "messages can now be sent to SCT or MSBT optionally as well as the RaidWarning frame or BigWigs own messageframe" .....yeah thx.. that's exactly what I would have asked for |
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| 14:04.47 | CIA-11 | 03maia * r8173 10Detox/Detox.lua: Detox: added priority lists |
| 14:04.52 | Mikma | Mikk: hey? |
| 14:11.20 | wereHamster | Detox ~=~ Decursive? |
| 14:11.33 | JoshBorke | yes |
| 14:13.14 | wereHamster | and is it better than decursive? |
| 14:13.43 | JoshBorke | it doesn't keep a live update i believe |
| 14:13.58 | JoshBorke | it's supposed to be better :-) |
| 14:14.02 | JoshBorke | less resource intensive etc |
| 14:14.36 | JoshBorke | wereHamster, http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php/topic,1895.0.html |
| 14:22.42 | Mikma | Mikk: ! i need teh link |
| 14:24.00 | Tain | Oh damn, new guild spotted. <Snakes on a Plainstrider> |
| 14:24.09 | Mikma | lol |
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| 14:33.30 | Tain | Whew the new laptop I bought from Dell isn't affected by the exploding batteries they're recalling. |
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| 14:40.16 | wereHamster | what addon is this: http://iceroth.net/wow/detox_1.jpg ? |
| 14:41.02 | Shyva | tekSupport |
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| 14:43.30 | Mikk | Mikma: http://wiki.wowace.com/index.php/SVN |
| 14:44.15 | Mikma | Mikk: thankyou |
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| 14:51.42 | Neronix | Yay, my portrait class works |
| 14:51.53 | Neronix | which also means my segmentBase and unit class work |
| 14:52.00 | Neronix | which means uPerl works |
| 14:52.03 | Neronix | (Not really) |
| 14:52.56 | Neronix | All it'll do for now is show you a 3d portrait with a raid class coloured bg |
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| 14:54.49 | Tuplad | Neronix: gief screenies |
| 14:57.16 | Mikma | noes! it's teh vlad |
| 14:57.26 | Neronix | :O! |
| 14:59.34 | JoshBorke | Neronix, me too! also, you'll have the text flow across the portrait displaying damage/healing? ^_^ |
| 15:00.13 | Neronix | maybe |
| 15:04.01 | [Ammo] | urgh SCT per portrait? |
| 15:04.02 | [Ammo] | eeep |
| 15:05.18 | Neronix | http://img54.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wowscrnshot081606160317il9.jpg - look in the middle |
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| 15:05.48 | Neronix | (And by maybe, I meant, "Write a subclass of my portrait class" :P) |
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| 15:17.18 | Mikma | humm? <tumetom> "messages can now be sent to SCT or MSBT optionally as well as the RaidWarning frame or BigWigs own messageframe" |
| 15:17.27 | Mikma | is this bigwigs or what? |
| 15:17.38 | tumetom | yes |
| 15:18.49 | Mikma | neat. found it |
| 15:19.24 | [Ammo] | BigWigs yeah |
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| 15:19.42 | [Ammo] | i finally installed MSBT and thought hmm, BigWigs messages need to be in there |
| 15:19.55 | [Ammo] | optionally ofcourse :) |
| 15:20.09 | Mikma | that's true |
| 15:20.22 | Mikma | my normal spam on screen prevents me from seeing the bigwigs messages |
| 15:20.31 | Mikma | maybe have to remove withchunt tho |
| 15:20.43 | [Ammo] | I fixed the witchhunt spam |
| 15:20.45 | Tain | I moved around where messages go. |
| 15:20.58 | Tain | So like my MSBT messages are slightly lower than default. |
| 15:21.01 | [Ammo] | there's is now a minimal 3 second delay between similar messages |
| 15:21.05 | Mikma | Amadeo: "fixed" = how and what? |
| 15:21.13 | Mikma | oooh |
| 15:21.14 | Mikma | neat |
| 15:21.23 | Mikma | http://wow.reaktio.net/tricia.jpg |
| 15:21.28 | Mikma | here's the problem i had with it :) |
| 15:21.31 | [Ammo] | does not prevent unsimilar spam ofcourse |
| 15:21.47 | [Ammo] | that's fixed |
| 15:21.54 | Mikma | good. lovely! |
| 15:22.01 | [Ammo] | 3 second throttling |
| 15:22.29 | [Ammo] | but if it's: + some mob: healing circle+ and + some mob with a differnet name: healing circle: + it'll still come through ofcourse |
| 15:22.40 | [Ammo] | but both messages have to wait 3 seconde before they can be repeated |
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| 15:23.51 | [Ammo] | if there's a demand for it I'll make it an option to disable or change the throttle rate |
| 15:23.55 | [Ammo] | but I don't think there will be |
| 15:24.34 | Health | umm.. what's healing circle? |
| 15:24.49 | [Ammo] | the taskmasters heal etc |
| 15:24.57 | [Ammo] | their spell is 'healing circle' |
| 15:25.09 | Health | Ah.. |
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| 15:25.33 | haste_ | time to do something! |
| 15:25.41 | Mikma | oCD |
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| 15:26.15 | haste_ | you have been warned ;) |
| 15:26.20 | phyber | I think he meant that you should wash your hands 2,000 times. |
| 15:26.33 | Mikma | wroom wroom |
| 15:27.02 | Codayus_ | Heh |
| 15:27.03 | Mikma | Norwegian chainsaw-massacre |
| 15:29.13 | Saroz | sup people |
| 15:29.31 | Mikma | Saroz: screaming and running away from haste |
| 15:29.38 | Saroz | whoa |
| 15:30.23 | Saroz | man, total SVN update takes forever |
| 15:31.34 | CIA-11 | 03joshborke * r8174 10Borked_Monitor/HealthMon.lua: Borked_Monitor: updated some frame layout stuff, probably broken |
| 15:32.46 | Mikma | [Ammo]: bigwigs menu needs the MSBT option too :) |
| 15:32.58 | [Ammo] | it's there |
| 15:33.03 | [Ammo] | if you have MSBT installed |
| 15:33.07 | Mikma | nay :( |
| 15:33.12 | [Ammo] | it was there for me! |
| 15:33.21 | [Ammo] | it's under Plugins -> Messages -> Display |
| 15:33.28 | Mikma | whooops |
| 15:34.40 | Mikma | that neat, rofl |
| 15:34.48 | [Ammo] | hmm? |
| 15:35.00 | Mikma | just did a test with MSBT enabled |
| 15:35.10 | [Ammo] | it should work |
| 15:35.14 | Mikma | it did |
| 15:35.18 | Mikma | that's why i said it's neat |
| 15:35.22 | [Ammo] | ah :) |
| 15:35.32 | Mikma | now i need to find a place for the timerbars :P |
| 15:35.35 | [Ammo] | thought I'd get another: zomg it doesn't work! |
| 15:35.44 | [Ammo] | I have the timerbars right below my character |
| 15:35.51 | [Ammo] | growing down |
| 15:36.10 | [Ammo] | that way I have all the info I need in the center of the screen when I need it |
| 15:36.13 | Saroz | how do you get fubar-plugin-2.0 to add the Profile menu option? |
| 15:39.01 | CIA-11 | 03tekkub * r8175 10Teknicolor/ (. Core.lua): |
| 15:39.01 | CIA-11 | Teknicolor |
| 15:39.01 | CIA-11 | - Unmerging ckk's branch. Please do not merge branches of mods that are not |
| 15:39.01 | CIA-11 | your own, the whole reason other devs put their version in a branch is so that |
| 15:39.02 | CIA-11 | the owner has the choice of merging it. I did not merge ckk's branch because it |
| 15:39.02 | CIA-11 | added stuff I didn't want this mod to do. If you like ckk's branch, then use |
| 15:39.06 | CIA-11 | his instead. |
| 15:39.19 | Tekkub | *growl* |
| 15:39.28 | Mikma | who borked that one |
| 15:39.43 | Tekkub | greywind |
| 15:39.50 | Mikma | bitchslap him |
| 15:40.38 | Mikma | does your version have acecomplete in it? |
| 15:42.13 | JoshBorke | ok bye |
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| 15:46.05 | Tain | Check with greywind too, he's new to SVN isn't he? He might not even have known he was merging it in there. |
| 15:46.53 | Mikma | i think he did |
| 15:47.00 | Mikma | "Teknicolor: merged ckknight's changes from branches into the trunk." |
| 15:47.04 | Mikma | that's the commit-text |
| 15:48.36 | tumetom | I wish aces slash command system would support "chatlinks" |
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| 15:48.53 | Tain | Oh, well screw 'im then. |
| 15:48.58 | _Machine_ | Oy |
| 15:49.17 | tumetom | clicking instead of retyping the whole command |
| 15:49.21 | Mikk | Ehmmmwtflolbbq? |
| 15:49.35 | Mikma | hey, umm, how was he able to merge into tek's trunk? |
| 15:49.39 | Mikk | Is your attack skill with a fishing rod == your fishing skill?! |
| 15:49.41 | [Ammo] | easy |
| 15:49.49 | _Machine_ | I'm having trouble where AceOO fails to replace itself with a newer version |
| 15:49.53 | [Ammo] | same how I was able to add options to Bartender2 |
| 15:50.00 | [Ammo] | Machine: update all your Ace2 addons |
| 15:50.16 | [Ammo] | someone changed the SVN version enough that it breaks older sversions |
| 15:50.19 | Mikma | Mikk: umm, what? |
| 15:50.20 | _Machine_ | They're all fresh since last night. I could do an extra update tho |
| 15:50.30 | [Ammo] | for me updating agUF worked |
| 15:50.35 | [Ammo] | since it's the first addon that uses Ace2 for me |
| 15:50.46 | _Machine_ | I'll do an update |
| 15:51.38 | Tain | It just makes no sense to me since the whole idea of embedding (well one of the ideas) was that new vesions would load up and take preference if you had multiple versions of the libs. |
| 15:51.57 | [Ammo] | unless someone changes something in the activation routines |
| 15:52.03 | [Ammo] | (which is what happened in AceOO) |
| 15:52.49 | [Ammo] | in the case of AceOO some variable wasn't set in an older version of the lib and the newer version would try and copy the var from the older version using a pairs() loop |
| 15:52.49 | Elkano | Ammo, maybe it tries to copy stuff from the old version that wasn't there before |
| 15:52.58 | [Ammo] | elkano: nail hammer etc :) |
| 15:52.59 | Mikk | Mikma: Opening the character screen, wielding my fishing rod, my attack skill is reported as == my fishing skill |
| 15:53.08 | Elkano | ^^ |
| 15:53.13 | Mikk | Which is somewhat interesting seeing as how you can get your fishing skill to a lot higher than your weapon skill on lower levels |
| 15:53.18 | _Machine_ | Ammo; exactly |
| 15:53.21 | Mikk | Crushing blows on equal-level mobs ftw? |
| 15:53.35 | [Ammo] | hmmm |
| 15:53.39 | _Machine_ | Man oh man, why can't i drag and drop existing working directories into rapidsvn :'( |
| 15:53.52 | [Ammo] | because you should use Tortoise |
| 15:53.55 | [Ammo] | which can do that |
| 15:54.24 | _Machine_ | Yeah, but people have been complaining that tortoise is slow as hell |
| 15:54.37 | evl | If you update with externals it's slow as hell |
| 15:54.40 | Mikma | Mikk: umm, not sure actually |
| 15:54.40 | Tain | They're wrong about the slowness. |
| 15:54.49 | Mikma | Mikk: test it out and tell us ;) |
| 15:55.28 | Tain | I use both commandline svn and tortoise depending on different things, and tortoise isn't much slower. It's externals that slows it down, regardless of the client. |
| 15:55.35 | Elkano | is it possible that if I call GuildRoster as a reaction to a CHAT_MSG_SYSTEM event stating that a guildmate has come online that the guildmate won't be listed, yet? |
| 15:56.05 | Tain | I believe I have heard/seen/vaguely remember that roster updates are slower than the message, Elkano |
| 15:56.23 | [Ammo] | Elkano: yes, because you have to bring up the rosterpane for it to update |
| 15:56.29 | [Ammo] | or at least trigger the correct function for it to update |
| 15:56.31 | [Ammo] | afaik |
| 15:56.45 | Elkano | ok, then it makes no sense to update as a reaction to the event... |
| 15:56.58 | Elkano | (I'm calling GuildRoster() but it seems not to work) |
| 15:56.58 | [Ammo] | that's why GuildFU updates immediately when you open the guildpane |
| 15:58.43 | Elkano | btw: is there an easy way to toggle the display of offline guild members before iterating via "for i = 1, GetNumGuildMembers(), 1 do" |
| 16:00.32 | CIA-11 | 03saroz * r8176 10sRaidFrames/sRaidFrames.lua: |
| 16:00.32 | CIA-11 | sRaidFrames: |
| 16:00.32 | CIA-11 | - Ability to hide fubar plugin without disabling mod |
| 16:00.32 | CIA-11 | - Added icon to fubar plugin |
| 16:00.41 | [Ammo] | Elkano: check the blizz FrameXML stuff |
| 16:00.56 | [Ammo] | and see what they toggle to display offline members |
| 16:01.02 | [Ammo] | toggle that, do your thing, toggle back |
| 16:03.02 | Mikma | hmm funny |
| 16:03.14 | Mikma | i get a error with teknicolor and tabcomplete |
| 16:05.01 | Mikma | (AceTab-2.0) |
| 16:06.18 | Mikma | http://wow.reaktio.net/acetab.txt |
| 16:06.56 | [Ammo] | who says it's tekni |
| 16:07.15 | Mikma | no-one i just said "with tekni and tabcomplete" :) |
| 16:07.28 | [Ammo] | I say it's Mikma.lua! |
| 16:07.30 | Mikma | since it's tekni-snippets ;) |
| 16:07.39 | Mikma | http://wiki.wowace.com/index.php/AceTab-2.0_Quickies |
| 16:08.09 | [Ammo] | aha |
| 16:08.38 | Elkano | ok, ammo, working :) |
| 16:08.53 | [Ammo] | Elkano: woot :) |
| 16:09.05 | [Ammo] | love pointing people in the right direction without knowing wtf they want to do :) |
| 16:09.32 | [Ammo] | Mikma: print() isn't a defined function |
| 16:09.33 | Mikma | and to clarify: i type first 2 letters of someone and press tab. if there's 2 nicks matching it will pop up that error |
| 16:09.33 | [Ammo] | I guess |
| 16:09.45 | [Ammo] | try doing: self:Print() |
| 16:10.01 | [Ammo] | or define a local function print() |
| 16:10.04 | [Ammo] | that prints stuff |
| 16:10.08 | Mikma | hmm yeah |
| 16:10.09 | [Ammo] | the print function is just missing |
| 16:10.28 | CIA-11 | 03ag * r8177 10ag_UnitFrames/ (ag_Defaults.lua ag_UnitClass.lua ag_UnitFrames.lua): |
| 16:10.28 | CIA-11 | ag_UnitFrames |
| 16:10.28 | CIA-11 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:10.28 | CIA-11 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:10.46 | [Ammo] | local function print(msg) MikmaImbaAddon:Print(msg) end |
| 16:10.58 | [Ammo] | and you're done |
| 16:11.20 | [Ammo] | ag`: you here? |
| 16:11.30 | CIA-11 | 03elkano * r8178 10FuBar_GuildFu/ (FuBar_GuildFu.lua FuBar_GuildFu.toc Libs/): |
| 16:11.30 | CIA-11 | FuBar_GuildFu |
| 16:11.30 | CIA-11 | - added support for AuldLangSyne |
| 16:11.30 | CIA-11 | - clicking names now works (like with chat links, alt-click for invite) |
| 16:11.30 | CIA-11 | - added indicator if you are grouped with that person |
| 16:11.30 | CIA-11 | - now always shows correct number for total guildmates |
| 16:11.32 | CIA-11 | - preparations for localization |
| 16:11.33 | Mikma | i think i have to use another way since that's my "old" code and it's not working like that :) |
| 16:12.17 | [Ammo] | ok |
| 16:12.17 | CIA-11 | 03elkano * r8179 10FuBar_GuildFu/ (FuBar_GuildFuLocals.lua FuBar_GuildFuOptions.lua): FuBar_GuildFu - added missing files |
| 16:12.18 | [Ammo] | another way |
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| 16:12.33 | [Ammo] | local function print(msg) ChatFrame1:AddMessage(msg) end |
| 16:12.38 | [Ammo] | tadaaa! |
| 16:12.42 | Mikma | yeah that one |
| 16:12.42 | Elkano | ok, guys, please test it :) |
| 16:12.57 | [Ammo] | Elkano: when I get home |
| 16:13.06 | [Ammo] | I managed to destroy my hacked up graphics drivers at work |
| 16:13.24 | Elkano | and if you find missing features, well, tell me :) |
| 16:13.25 | [Ammo] | I don't have a hardware 3d or even a 3d capable graphics card |
| 16:13.38 | [Ammo] | so I used a software emulated driver :) |
| 16:13.51 | [Ammo] | gave me 10 whopping fps facing 1 texture (aka real close to a wall) |
| 16:14.04 | [Ammo] | and less than 1 fps in IF |
| 16:14.04 | [Ammo] | but it worked :) |
| 16:14.37 | Mikma | [Ammo]: yeah, tadaaa! :) |
| 16:14.48 | [Ammo] | and another satisfied customer :) |
| 16:15.05 | Mikma | yeah yeah |
| 16:15.18 | Mikma | scratch me behind my ear too please o_o |
| 16:15.23 | Mikma | (teh puppyeyes) |
| 16:15.39 | [Ammo] | no thanks, I already got a rash from coding stuff in Tekkub designed addons |
| 16:15.40 | Mikma | ö_ö with lashes |
| 16:18.17 | Neronix`afk | http://www.penny-arcade.com/images/2006/20060814.jpg |
| 16:19.40 | _Machine_ | Thanks everyone, the update did it and everything works again |
| 16:23.21 | [Ammo] | oh and before I get the Tekkub fans or himself angry, tekkub's core designs are good. It's just that the stuff surrounding the core can get out of hand :) |
| 16:23.26 | [Ammo] | aka 40+ bossmodules |
| 16:23.40 | FISKER_Q | fucking EPIC |
| 16:24.48 | FISKER_Q | i got a bugged servant of sevine that is my permanent pet |
| 16:24.56 | FISKER_Q | i'm killing goldfarmers in deadwind pass |
| 16:25.00 | FISKER_Q | this is so hilarious |
| 16:26.22 | Gngsk | fraps plz |
| 16:26.35 | FISKER_Q | i don't have it :( |
| 16:26.45 | FISKER_Q | i'm so annoyed by that |
| 16:26.45 | Gngsk | download the trial or something |
| 16:26.51 | Gngsk | it needs to be frapsd |
| 16:28.34 | FISKER_Q | LOL |
| 16:28.42 | FISKER_Q | all the farmers are being played by players now |
| 16:28.46 | FISKER_Q | they're on a freaking witchhunt |
| 16:29.00 | _Machine_ | beware of lowping |
| 16:30.42 | _Machine_ | Hm, svn died on me. Can't access it via the web either |
| 16:30.52 | FISKER_Q | i gotta evade the pet over to the farmers before i can do it |
| 16:31.13 | FISKER_Q | when i died i lost pet controls |
| 16:31.13 | FISKER_Q | but on a mount it starts warping to me |
| 16:31.20 | FISKER_Q | when in range i can use the attack command |
| 16:33.44 | haste_ | tits or gtfo! |
| 16:33.47 | haste_ | ehem |
| 16:33.49 | haste_ | pixx or gtfo! |
| 16:34.40 | FISKER_Q | you can get picks |
| 16:34.41 | FISKER_Q | pics |
| 16:35.24 | FISKER_Q | i think i bugged it too much |
| 16:35.44 | FISKER_Q | uploading pics in the meanwhile |
| 16:38.27 | FISKER_Q | http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/3523/farmerme1.jpg |
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| 16:39.54 | _Machine_ | hah |
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| 16:40.22 | FISKER_Q | ok doesn't seem to work |
| 16:40.29 | FISKER_Q | do i need to restart wow to make it record? |
| 16:40.32 | maia | Tekkub: you there? |
| 16:43.09 | haste_ | hehe |
| 16:43.12 | _Machine_ | What was the lib called that replicated ReagentData? |
| 16:44.19 | Codayus_ | PeriodicTable, perhaps? |
| 16:45.28 | [Ammo] | Mendeleev if you want to show PeriodicTable on your tooltips |
| 16:45.30 | [Ammo] | etc |
| 16:47.01 | _Machine_ | I'm not sure what I want yet. I'm considering rewriting Advanced Bags Plus and it uses ReagentData. Possibly to determine what kind items are (weapon/armor/consumable/soulbound/quest item) etc. |
| 16:47.18 | Codayus | PeriodicTable would be what you'd be interested in. |
| 16:47.28 | _Machine_ | Thanks |
| 16:48.11 | [Ammo] | indeed |
| 16:48.24 | [Ammo] | and periodictable is embeddable as well |
| 16:48.45 | [Ammo] | time to get home in time for dinner ~ |
| 16:49.20 | snurre | gotta love how fubar icons keep reshuffling randomly at each login |
| 16:49.33 | maia | any idea how I could color dewdrop toggle options? I'd want to color players by their class. |
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| 16:50.58 | maia | plus, I'd like to ask you guys to try the Detox priority option. (in case you don't know, Detox is a Decursive replacement) |
| 16:51.29 | Codayus | Sure |
| 16:52.12 | Codayus | hmm |
| 16:52.19 | Codayus | svn seems to be ...down. |
| 16:52.25 | Neronix | maia: textR, textG, textB |
| 16:52.40 | maia | Codayus: yup, noticed the same |
| 16:52.47 | maia | Neronix: thanks a lot! |
| 16:52.58 | Neronix | e.g. 'textR', RAID_CLASS_COLORS[OMGCAPS].r |
| 16:53.00 | Neronix | np |
| 16:53.10 | maia | Neronix: uum, is that textR [0-1] ? |
| 16:54.21 | maia | nvm :) |
| 16:54.53 | eternally777 | I'm looking at using CandyBar to show a cooldown for every healer in the raid that activates whenever they cast a heal. I have a table with the specific order to keep the healer's bars in, but is it possible to register left & right clicks on the bars so that when a player right clicks, the bar switches spots with the bar below it, consequently swapping the player's position in my list? |
| 16:56.17 | eternally777 | Does that make sense? |
| 16:56.40 | maia | Neronix: hmm, that didnt really do anything. strange. |
| 16:57.05 | Neronix | you need all 3 colours set |
| 16:57.20 | Neronix | http://wiki.wowace.com/index.php/Dewdrop-2.0_API_Documentation#textR.2C_textG.2C_textB |
| 16:57.51 | maia | { type = 'toggle', name = n, desc = "priorize "..n, textR = 1, textG = 0.5, textB = 0.2, get = function() return ... end, set = function() ... end,} |
| 16:58.36 | maia | maybe that doesnt work in AceOptions tables used in FuBar dropdowns? |
| 17:09.47 | Amadeo | I'm so amazed that nobody's made an Ace map addon |
| 17:09.58 | haste_ | you arE? |
| 17:10.00 | haste_ | I'm not |
| 17:10.01 | haste_ | :D |
| 17:10.11 | hyperChipmunk | neither am I |
| 17:10.18 | hyperChipmunk | Map addons get huuuuuuuuuge |
| 17:10.24 | Amadeo | not simple ones! |
| 17:10.27 | hyperChipmunk | actually |
| 17:10.34 | hyperChipmunk | I can ace RaidMap for you |
| 17:10.43 | Amadeo | what's RaidMap? |
| 17:10.48 | hyperChipmunk | I've been meaning to do it long time |
| 17:10.52 | hyperChipmunk | my first addon =) |
| 17:11.03 | Amadeo | what's it do! |
| 17:11.28 | hyperChipmunk | colors map pips by raid group |
| 17:11.31 | Amadeo | oh I see it |
| 17:11.33 | Amadeo | that's awesome |
| 17:12.05 | hyperChipmunk | if you lead AB, it's essential |
| 17:12.21 | Amadeo | yeah |
| 17:12.24 | Amadeo | you can pick out people to yell at |
| 17:12.30 | hyperChipmunk | exactly |
| 17:12.36 | hyperChipmunk | red-red-red-GREEN-red-red |
| 17:12.39 | Amadeo | haha |
| 17:12.40 | hyperChipmunk | in a cluster |
| 17:12.44 | hyperChipmunk | hmmmmmmmmmmmm |
| 17:12.49 | hyperChipmunk | SOMEBODY's out of place |
| 17:12.53 | hyperChipmunk | i wonder who |
| 17:13.04 | tumetom | hm... aceOO Error :( |
| 17:13.15 | Amadeo | it's the reds! |
| 17:13.20 | hyperChipmunk | hehe |
| 17:13.35 | Amadeo | because green makes you horny |
| 17:13.56 | Mikma | hooni |
| 17:13.57 | hyperChipmunk | must be the reds then |
| 17:15.48 | Gngsk | Amadeo, what map are you talking about? |
| 17:15.55 | Gngsk | Oh, the one nobody's made yet. |
| 17:17.48 | tumetom | I just updated a few ace addons... now I have a fubar error in the aceOO module. |
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| 17:28.32 | Amadeo | Gngsk: Yeah |
| 17:28.56 | Amadeo | all the map options suck right now |
| 17:30.05 | Amadeo | http://forums.nurfed.com/showthread.php?t=11142 |
| 17:30.16 | Amadeo | some people wanted that link yesterday, I forget who |
| 17:31.30 | wereHamster | what event is 'XXX begins to cast YYY" ? |
| 17:31.48 | wereHamster | under which chatframe menu du I enable it? |
| 17:31.54 | phyber | 6/g 16 |
| 17:31.56 | phyber | bah |
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| 17:35.23 | CIA-11 | 03sinaloit * r8180 10CountinCandy/ (. Bars.lua Bars.xml Classes/ Core.lua CountinCandy.toc Libs/): |
| 17:35.23 | CIA-11 | CountinCandy: |
| 17:35.23 | CIA-11 | - Initial Import v.00000001 ;) |
| 17:35.23 | CIA-11 | - Current Functionality: None |
| 17:35.23 | CIA-11 | - Expected Functionality: SpellTimer Bars |
| 17:35.58 | hyperChipmunk | ok, that guy gets a friggin medal |
| 17:37.14 | Gngsk | lol |
| 17:37.26 | Tem | no way |
| 17:37.29 | Tem | that was too easy |
| 17:37.30 | Gngsk | so that's gonna replace acetimer? |
| 17:37.47 | hyperChipmunk | yes way |
| 17:37.51 | Tem | this can't have worked |
| 17:37.55 | Tem | I only got like 8 errors |
| 17:38.01 | hyperChipmunk | O_o |
| 17:38.04 | Tem | holy piss |
| 17:38.06 | Tem | it did work |
| 17:38.10 | Tem | wewt |
| 17:39.26 | CIA-11 | 03tardmrr * r8181 10Ace2/AceGUI-2.0/ (5 files): |
| 17:39.26 | CIA-11 | AceGUI-2.0: |
| 17:39.26 | CIA-11 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:39.26 | CIA-11 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:39.39 | Tem | (minus my typo of the work Library) |
| 17:39.44 | Tem | (god damn I hate that word) |
| 17:39.52 | Tem | (I've screwed it up too many fricken times) |
| 17:39.52 | hyperChipmunk | the work library? =x |
| 17:39.56 | Neronix`afk | (Gotta agree) |
| 17:39.58 | Tem | word* |
| 17:40.04 | Tem | shush you |
| 17:40.09 | hyperChipmunk | why would that have been hard? |
| 17:40.17 | Tem | I just spent 4 hours vncing every machine on the whole fucking campus |
| 17:40.23 | Tem | for fucking nothing |
| 17:40.23 | Neronix | It's too fiddly to type |
| 17:40.29 | Tem | agreed, Neronix |
| 17:40.34 | hyperChipmunk | I've never had a problem with it =x |
| 17:40.39 | Tem | DIAF, hyperChipmunk |
| 17:40.42 | Tem | ... a hot one |
| 17:40.49 | hyperChipmunk | it rolls off the left hand quite nicely, in my opinion |
| 17:40.56 | Gngsk | I bet Library is easy to type with dvorak! |
| 17:40.59 | Tem|Lunch | not on this shitty keyboard it doesn't |
| 17:41.18 | hyperChipmunk | ah, good programmers always blame their equipment |
| 17:42.26 | *** part/#wowace jon_d (n=jon_d@cpe-65-185-107-22.woh.res.rr.com) |
| 17:42.39 | Neronix | libraery |
| 17:43.02 | Neronix | toom me a whole 2 seconds to type too |
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| 17:49.09 | CIA-11 | 03sinaloit * r8182 10CountinCandy/ (. Bars.lua Bars.xml Core.lua CountinCandy.toc Libs/): |
| 17:49.09 | CIA-11 | CountinCandy: |
| 17:49.09 | CIA-11 | - Added svn:externals and other SVN properties |
| 17:49.16 | clad | anyone here use hostel? |
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| 17:51.28 | Tain | I'm pretty hostile. |
| 17:52.11 | clad | hrm.. nice =) |
| 17:52.15 | clad | i'm feeling light-headed. |
| 17:55.29 | Mikma | that was fast |
| 17:57.34 | CIA-11 | 03neronix * r8183 10/branches/uPerl/: Created folder remotely |
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| 18:01.20 | CIA-11 | 03neronix 07TotallyUnusuable * r8184 10uPerl/ (7 files in 2 dirs): |
| 18:01.20 | CIA-11 | uPerl (pre-pre-alpha) - Initial commit of weird crap that SHOULD NOT BE USED. |
| 18:01.20 | CIA-11 | FAQ: |
| 18:01.20 | CIA-11 | Q. zOMG I <3 U!! |
| 18:01.20 | CIA-11 | A. That's not a question. Bugger off |
| 18:01.21 | CIA-11 | Q. What do I do to see stuff? |
| 18:01.22 | CIA-11 | A. /script uPerl.mainClasses.unitClass:new("Foo", "target", {}, {}, {"portrait"}) then uPerl.units.target.parentFrame:SetPoint("CENTER, UIParent) and drool... |
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| 18:02.05 | Neronix | Q. Why is the branch called TotallyUnusable? |
| 18:02.09 | Neronix | A. Go die in a fire |
| 18:04.35 | CIA-11 | 03hyperactiveChipmunk * r8185 10Ace2/AceTab-2.0/AceTab-2.0.lua: |
| 18:04.35 | CIA-11 | AceTab-2.0: |
| 18:04.35 | CIA-11 | - Changed prints to DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessages |
| 18:07.27 | CIA-11 | 03neronix 07TotallyUnusuable * r8186 10uPerl/ (. uPerl.lua uPerl_Utils.lua): uPerl (pre-pre-alpha) - Moved utils:InitBackdrop() to uPerl_Utils.lua |
| 18:11.25 | haste_ | haha |
| 18:11.36 | haste_ | nice branch Neronix ;) |
| 18:13.04 | Neronix | ^^ |
| 18:15.37 | haste_ | Irssi: /LASTLOG would print 9744 lines. If you really want to print all these lines use -force option. |
| 18:15.41 | haste_ | todays mistake |
| 18:15.46 | FryGuy- | new BW on wowi kthx :) |
| 18:15.48 | hyperChipmunk | hehe |
| 18:17.25 | Saroz | I just used my raid times for the first time in a 40 man raid havn't been raiding for two weeks) and I just now realise how pwnage they are :) |
| 18:17.28 | Saroz | frames* |
| 18:17.31 | vhaarr | FryGuy-: it's on wowi |
| 18:18.15 | phyber | Iceroth: not sure what you changed in latest IceHUD, but a lot of the time the Casting Bar doesn't appear now |
| 18:18.23 | phyber | the numbers still work, but the bar isn't there :/ |
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| 18:20.27 | FryGuy- | vhaarr: missed the new part :p |
| 18:20.39 | vhaarr | FryGuy-: it was updated yesterday, I think |
| 18:20.47 | vhaarr | FryGuy-: that's as new as you can expect :) |
| 18:20.49 | vhaarr | or 2 days ago maybe |
| 18:21.07 | FryGuy- | 15 revisions since 8109! |
| 18:21.14 | FryGuy- | and like.. major bugs in 2 modules |
| 18:21.17 | phyber | Iceroth: hmm, it looks like it happens after an Instant Cast is done. for example, if I'm spamming my shadow bolt key and my ToEP kicks in (part of my macro), then the casting bar doesn't appear/ |
| 18:21.49 | Neronix | Would moses be a good name for a parent-of-everything class? :P |
| 18:22.12 | Sinaloit | Wouldn't Adam/Eve be better if you're going biblical? |
| 18:22.29 | hyperChipmunk | Abraham? |
| 18:22.36 | Saroz | wtf is uPerl? |
| 18:22.39 | Tain | Call it Elvis, it can be the king of frames. |
| 18:22.45 | Tain | er classes |
| 18:22.51 | Neronix | hmm |
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| 18:23.03 | Saroz | eghhhhh |
| 18:23.05 | Sinaloit | You could call it money, the root of all evil classes |
| 18:23.08 | Saroz | a perl wrapper or WoW? :D |
| 18:23.16 | Sinaloit | if we're going corny |
| 18:23.45 | Neronix | Saroz: Like PCUF or X-Perl, but without the suckyness |
| 18:24.18 | Saroz | PCUF? |
| 18:24.45 | Neronix | Perl Classic |
| 18:24.47 | haste_ | Perl Classic Unit Frames |
| 18:24.48 | Saroz | ah |
| 18:24.50 | Saroz | sux |
| 18:24.54 | Saroz | give nurfed replacement already |
| 18:24.59 | Neronix | In fact, got a slightly better idea: Lilith |
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| 18:27.32 | Iceroth | phyber, it's the spellstatus lib :-/ |
| 18:27.32 | Iceroth | try disabling that "show instant casts" option |
| 18:27.33 | Iceroth | it may help |
| 18:33.00 | Industrial | http://youtube.com/watch?v=ucQLYSC9Lho |
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| 18:35.30 | FryGuy | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFBEpcZyy-8&NR > that :p |
| 18:45.02 | CIA-11 | 03hyperactiveChipmunk * r8187 10Ace2/AceTab-2.0/AceTab-2.0.lua: |
| 18:45.02 | CIA-11 | AceTab-2.0: |
| 18:45.02 | CIA-11 | - Tab cycling now starts immediately, instead of after one or two tab presses |
| 18:47.50 | Industrial | FryGuy, :') |
| 18:48.49 | Neronix | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdhL6mmsRb0 |
| 18:49.49 | CIA-11 | 03iceroth * r8188 10IceHUD/textures/ (6 files): IceHUD: Mac friendly textures |
| 18:51.01 | Iceroth | hehe, finnish subtitles in that one :) |
| 18:51.13 | Iceroth | anyone got the 'slave song'? |
| 18:54.49 | evl | Sinaloit: SpellTimer bars as in CCWatch? :) |
| 18:58.37 | FISKER_Q | how can i use acetab 2.0 btw? |
| 18:59.31 | Neronix | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5T5BmKj-gg |
| 18:59.47 | evl | Quick question: the binding "Toggle Combat Log", I've never seen it do anything, what does it do? :) |
| 19:00.18 | Elkano | maybe bring the combatlog infront in default UI setup? |
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| 19:03.08 | snurre | hm, should get an addon to manage raid healing |
| 19:03.25 | Jagobah | (01:18:59PM) <Neronix> Saroz: Like PCUF or X-Perl, but without the suckyness <--- what is this? I came in late |
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| 19:05.30 | evl | Elkano: no cause I have it like the default |
| 19:06.10 | Elkano | well, have a look at Blizzard's bindings.xml |
| 19:06.46 | evl | alone?! :( |
| 19:07.13 | Amadeo | Iceroth: Mac friendly? :) |
| 19:07.19 | Iceroth | hmm? |
| 19:07.30 | Neronix | Jagobah: I was describing what uPerl will eventually be |
| 19:08.04 | Jagobah | ooo |
| 19:08.07 | Amadeo | What's IceHUD looking like these days? |
| 19:08.24 | Iceroth | there are pretty recent screenshots in the thread |
| 19:08.44 | Iceroth | mac users were having problems with the textures my conversion tool produced |
| 19:08.49 | Amadeo | ahh |
| 19:09.02 | Iceroth | really weird, they were black after they alt-tabbed |
| 19:09.04 | Amadeo | only one problem with IceHUD |
| 19:09.10 | Amadeo | I heard the author was a Druid... |
| 19:09.22 | Iceroth | what do you have against druids?) |
| 19:09.26 | Amadeo | ;) |
| 19:09.45 | evl | Elkano: it seem it relies on SIMPLE_CHAT |
| 19:09.51 | Amadeo | They're....UnBearable! |
| 19:10.04 | hyperChipmunk | sec |
| 19:11.32 | Iceroth | i think druids need pets.. then i wouldn't need to swap chars at all when testing stuff :) |
| 19:14.14 | Amadeo | haha |
| 19:17.26 | haste_ | Shaman -> Warlock -> Rogue, pretty good add on test base |
| 19:22.27 | hyperChipmunk | replace rogue with druid |
| 19:22.39 | haste_ | I'm leveling a druid |
| 19:22.40 | Mikma | now there's too much stuff going in MSBT :P |
| 19:22.53 | Jagobah | :O |
| 19:22.53 | haste_ | or "leveling", as I log into it very rarely and kill a mob or two |
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| 19:43.48 | Mikma | ~inflatable dildos |
| 19:43.53 | purl | Oh yea baby, stretch that hole! |
| 19:44.09 | Neronix | ~whalestab the inflatable dildos |
| 19:44.10 | purl | ACTION stabs the inflatable dildos with a rather narrow and pointy whale named Montgomery |
| 19:45.24 | snurre | would it be possible to make an addon to manage raid healing? like, auto-assigning healing groups etc |
| 19:45.59 | Theondry | There's stuff out there to let you do it yourself, and then click a button to spam that info to a given channel. |
| 19:46.37 | Theondry | automagic decision making on that kind of thing would be ill-advised, as you know how good or bad, and how well spec'd/geared your priests/shaman/paladin/druids/warriors-with-bandages are. |
| 19:48.26 | snurre | well, in theory it could get mana, healing, regen values by inspecting healers tho? |
| 19:48.27 | Gngsk | omg rogues with bandages so > warriors with bandages |
| 19:51.44 | CIA-11 | 03tardmrr * r8189 10Ace2/AceGUI-2.0/ (AceGUI-2.0.lua AceGUIBase-2.0.lua): |
| 19:51.44 | CIA-11 | AceGUI-2.0: |
| 19:51.44 | CIA-11 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:51.44 | CIA-11 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:51.44 | CIA-11 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:52.02 | Theondry | TMI. all that information for the addon to get and process would be impossible to do (excepting pulling mana values). human brain stuff will work far better and faster. |
| 19:52.45 | Codayus | snurre: The best and closest addon that does what you're thinking about is, as far as I know, this: |
| 19:52.49 | Codayus | http://www.curse-gaming.com/en/wow/addons-4101-1-healing-groups-suck-v14.html |
| 19:53.09 | Theondry | You *could* get that info by transmit that via hidden channel, but would require everyone to have it. |
| 19:53.09 | CIA-11 | 03neronix 07TotallyUnusuable * r8190 10uPerl/ (3 files in 2 dirs): |
| 19:53.09 | CIA-11 | uPerl (pre-pre-alpha) |
| 19:53.09 | CIA-11 | - Added new mother class, lilith. Contains :error and :assert ninja'd from AceLibrary and AceEvent |
| 19:53.09 | CIA-11 | - Used self:assert a bit too much |
| 19:53.09 | CIA-11 | - segmentClass now only takes parentUnit as an arg. self.unitID is now taken from parentUnit.unitID |
| 19:53.31 | Codayus | As far as it goes towards automation is it'll evenly (and randomly) distribute healers among defined groups. |
| 19:53.40 | Tem | mother class? |
| 19:53.44 | Tem | "lilith?" |
| 19:54.09 | Codayus | Not hugely helpful. But the addon does make manual healing group assignments easier. |
| 19:54.42 | haste_ | spider wing cleared in under 2 hours :< |
| 19:54.51 | Neronix | Tem: Everything inherits from it |
| 19:55.02 | Tem | what happened to normal names? |
| 19:55.05 | Tem | like UnitBase? |
| 19:55.07 | Neronix | unitClass, segmentClass, all the segmentClass childen, etc. |
| 19:55.16 | Neronix | I wanted to be cool :P |
| 19:55.58 | Tem | AceGUIBase is now "Eve" |
| 19:56.10 | haste_ | Black Cat-o? |
| 19:56.10 | Tem | AceGUI is now "Adam" |
| 19:56.33 | Tem | AceGUIRegion is now "Able" |
| 19:57.12 | Tem | with his evil brother Cain (AceGUIFontInstance) |
| 19:57.22 | Neronix | hehe |
| 19:57.27 | Tain | Damn, I thought Cain would be a GC class. |
| 19:57.39 | Tem | Tain, Cain is the class that breaks all the rules |
| 19:57.48 | Tem | it's not even a class |
| 19:57.50 | Tem | it's a mixin |
| 19:58.27 | Neronix`afk | todo: Document my crazy design |
| 19:59.48 | Neronix`afk | Gist of it: there's main classes (lilith, unitClass, segmentClass) and segment classes (Each segment is a part of the unit frame) (portrait, buffs, name header, health/mana bars, leader icon, etc...) |
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| 20:05.13 | Tem | I win |
| 20:05.16 | Tem | haste_, you around? |
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| 20:08.53 | haste_ | Tem: yeh |
| 20:09.09 | Tem | haste_, I just confinced Cide to add something in CTRA |
| 20:09.14 | Tem | thought you should know about it :) |
| 20:09.30 | haste_ | you actually made him add something :o ? |
| 20:09.35 | Tem | yeah |
| 20:09.55 | Tem | CTRA2 will invoke the blizzard readycheck |
| 20:10.18 | haste_ | (and include Bigwigs!) |
| 20:10.18 | Tem | however, he will be hooking ConfirmReadyCheck to send a "READY/NOTREADY" message to the raid |
| 20:10.42 | Mikma | ctra..2? |
| 20:10.49 | FISKER_Q | sounds ugly |
| 20:10.56 | haste_ | ah, so it will still be possible to get the hot frames ;) |
| 20:11.18 | Tem | yes |
| 20:11.34 | haste_ | will he kill of blizzards ready function totally or? |
| 20:11.42 | Tem | no |
| 20:11.46 | Mikma | ctra..2? |
| 20:11.52 | Codayus | Mikma: Yea? |
| 20:11.58 | Mikma | that's horrible |
| 20:12.02 | Tem | just using the channel to get the READY / NOTREADY info across sooner |
| 20:12.05 | Codayus | The name? |
| 20:12.05 | Industrial | guys guys guys |
| 20:12.13 | Industrial | you know I have like this hotornot.com account? |
| 20:12.26 | Codayus | Tem: Good; the delay is really annoying. |
| 20:12.26 | Industrial | Yes I know its lame but I found a chick that lives in the same city as I do |
| 20:12.33 | Industrial | http://meetme.hotornot.com/r/?emid=GEBSOZB |
| 20:12.39 | Industrial | we just talked on msn + webcam |
| 20:12.44 | Tem | Codayus, yes, it's the reason I've been trying to get him to do it forever |
| 20:12.58 | Industrial | thes cute :D |
| 20:13.10 | Industrial | she's* |
| 20:13.24 | Tem | I dunno if he will do this last part or not, but I think you should. An option to let assistants view the readycheck info even when they didn't initiate it |
| 20:13.53 | Codayus | How about proxying readychecks so assistants can initiate it? |
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| 20:14.25 | Tem | Codayus, dunno |
| 20:15.02 | Codayus | <shrug> For no particular reason, on my guilds raids its almost always assistants who run ready checks... |
| 20:15.22 | FISKER_Q | what about the mob looted feature you guys suggested? |
| 20:15.26 | hyperChipmunk | Industrial: she's kinda tilted |
| 20:15.35 | Tain | haha id is chatting it up with fake girls |
| 20:15.45 | hyperChipmunk | I prefer my women vertical |
| 20:15.52 | Mikma | eww, ctra2 :P |
| 20:16.05 | Industrial | lol hyperChipmunk |
| 20:16.12 | Industrial | Tain, no wai :) |
| 20:16.15 | Codayus | Mikma: Is it the name or the concept you don't like? |
| 20:17.15 | Mikma | concept |
| 20:17.19 | Mikma | i prefer oRA :) |
| 20:18.00 | hyperChipmunk | I prefer oRA-Lite |
| 20:18.09 | hyperChipmunk | oRAL, for short |
| 20:18.21 | haste_ | so what will make CTRA2 hot or not? |
| 20:18.47 | Mikma | hyperChipmunk: oRAL! that's neat |
| 20:18.53 | Mikma | hyperChipmunk: what does it lack? :) |
| 20:18.58 | Industrial | on that note yay my new pics got approved. Titties inside --> http://meetme.hotornot.com/r/?emid=NRR8EZO |
| 20:19.03 | Industrial | j/k |
| 20:19.04 | Industrial | :D |
| 20:19.10 | haste_ | Mikma: leader |
| 20:19.57 | Mikma | haste_: leader? |
| 20:20.05 | haste_ | leader and optional parts |
| 20:20.14 | haste_ | but that's oRA2 :p |
| 20:20.15 | Mikma | oh, then it don't suit for me :( |
| 20:20.27 | hyperChipmunk | is there really an oRAL? |
| 20:20.29 | Mikma | i need all the leadercraps |
| 20:20.30 | hyperChipmunk | I was just kidding |
| 20:21.07 | CIA-11 | 03saroz * r8191 10sRaidFrames/sRaidFrames.toc: sRaidFrames: Come on, these things are easy to forget |
| 20:21.38 | hyperChipmunk | sRaidFrames have a screenshot? |
| 20:21.43 | Mikma | well obviously you weren't kidding :) |
| 20:21.57 | Saroz | ye |
| 20:22.04 | haste_ | hyperChipmunk: tehre will be :p |
| 20:22.13 | hyperChipmunk | hehe |
| 20:22.15 | hyperChipmunk | there is now! |
| 20:22.29 | hyperChipmunk | "great name; I need to make an addon that fits" |
| 20:22.39 | hyperChipmunk | the birth of all great addons |
| 20:22.55 | hyperChipmunk | Tekcub: speaking of which, you should make tekDegree an engineering addon |
| 20:23.09 | haste_ | only thing I know about CTRA2 is; it most likely has BigWigs type bossmods :/ |
| 20:23.17 | FryGuy | nah |
| 20:23.31 | FryGuy | cide said it's gonna be the same ones from ctra |
| 20:23.31 | Tekcub | what would it do? |
| 20:23.46 | FryGuy | new BW on wowi :D |
| 20:23.48 | hyperChipmunk | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:24.23 | hyperChipmunk | better yet, gnomish engineering something |
| 20:24.42 | Tain | Cide also said he was adding timer bars to BossModds in CT2. |
| 20:24.51 | Shyva | copycat :) |
| 20:24.54 | Mikma | ffs |
| 20:24.55 | haste_ | Yes, that was what I've heared also |
| 20:25.01 | Mikma | i bet he will code his own then |
| 20:25.13 | Mikma | and call them "prettybars" |
| 20:25.22 | hyperChipmunk | why not just use bigwigs? |
| 20:25.30 | Mikma | because he's an ass |
| 20:25.39 | haste_ | like the rest of the world ;D |
| 20:25.48 | hyperChipmunk | nobody says you HAVE to make your own |
| 20:25.55 | Tain | Nobody says you can't, either |
| 20:26.09 | hyperChipmunk | of course |
| 20:26.14 | hyperChipmunk | just seems like wasted effort |
| 20:26.15 | Tain | People like making their own things. That's why we have so many great options. |
| 20:26.25 | Kebinusan | FryGuy, it looks like 8109 is the version on wowi that still didnt have the maexxna fixes |
| 20:26.28 | hyperChipmunk | since he's making it exactly the same, it sounds |
| 20:26.28 | Tain | People say the same about just about every Ace/Ace2 addon that's ever been created. |
| 20:27.16 | hyperChipmunk | Ace/Ace2 addons, in my experience, tend to always have at least one nugget of 'oh that's a neat idea' in them |
| 20:27.19 | Tain | Really it's not a valid argument when Anduin uses it, and it's not valid when anyone else uses it. "Because I feel like it." is a perfectly good reason. |
| 20:27.29 | FryGuy | Kebinusan: no i was asking tekcub to put it up |
| 20:27.30 | Tain | And in fact I think it's the best reason. |
| 20:27.34 | Kebinusan | oh |
| 20:27.38 | Tekcub | whatnow |
| 20:27.44 | Kebinusan | repost bigwigs |
| 20:27.51 | Kebinusan | the maexxna module was broken in the last release |
| 20:28.06 | Tekcub | okeydoodle |
| 20:28.36 | hyperChipmunk | I don't argue with the reason at all |
| 20:29.16 | Codayus | Also some elements of quality control... |
| 20:29.16 | hyperChipmunk | but if you're gonna make it yourself and expect others to use it, you really need to bring something new to the table |
| 20:29.40 | Kebinusan | I forced bigwigs down my guilds throat |
| 20:29.53 | Codayus | If Cide writes it, and it has a problem, it's his fault... |
| 20:30.05 | Tem | I've so far converted only member to BW |
| 20:30.13 | Tem | though, I got another to FuBar today |
| 20:30.14 | Tain | He has a captive audience, anything he does will be used. |
| 20:30.24 | Tain | I've had better success with getting people to use FuBar than BigWigs. |
| 20:30.26 | Tem | and I suspect I'll get him over to BigWigs as well |
| 20:30.37 | Tain | I haven't even mentioned oRA. |
| 20:30.46 | FryGuy | i got my friend to start using it (he's in another guild) |
| 20:30.53 | Tem | everytime people complain about CTRA issues, I mention BigWigs |
| 20:30.55 | Tem | er, oRA |
| 20:30.59 | FryGuy | then he made his guild get it.. it's like enforced |
| 20:31.05 | Kebinusan | Ive converted quite a few people, mostly by posting screenshots of my ui, and then my memory usage |
| 20:31.06 | Tain | But I did get a couple inquiries about what PerfectRaid was when they saw screenshots. |
| 20:31.22 | Mikma | haste_: how about you rename oRA to open Raid Assist like ... someone said? :) |
| 20:31.26 | Shyva | we need screenshots of BigWigs on WoWI |
| 20:31.27 | Tain | One of my officers hinted at wanting to make Natur's enemy cast bar a requirement. |
| 20:31.32 | Tain | And I flipped out on him. |
| 20:31.46 | haste_ | Mikma: someone? |
| 20:31.58 | Mikma | haste_: yeah someone said that, ammo i think? |
| 20:32.05 | Codayus | I've hesitent to recommend oRA to my guild, because I know if they have a problem with it, they'll blame me. As long as they use CTRA, they blame Cide (well, not that 95% of them even know his name, but still...) |
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| 20:32.10 | Mikma | that he want's oRA to be named open Raid Assist :) |
| 20:32.11 | FryGuy | although in the same post advocating BW, there's an advocation of KLHThreatMeter |
| 20:32.28 | haste_ | he should have told me then |
| 20:32.30 | FryGuy | heh |
| 20:32.34 | haste_ | I'm open to name suggestions :p |
| 20:32.40 | Tem | everytime I see someone in my guild using it, I send them nasty tells |
| 20:32.43 | FryGuy | I was thinking about making a unified threat/damage/etc misc |
| 20:32.50 | Tem | haste_, I kinda like "openRA" |
| 20:33.00 | hyperChipmunk | yea |
| 20:33.02 | haste_ | so did I :p |
| 20:33.08 | Kebinusan | FryGuy, damagemeters isnt being developed anymore |
| 20:33.09 | hyperChipmunk | openRA is nice |
| 20:33.22 | FryGuy | yes what's your point? |
| 20:33.25 | Mikma | oRA but "open Raid Assist" .. i think it's [Ammo] who said that |
| 20:33.41 | FryGuy | s/misc/meter |
| 20:34.05 | Kebinusan | that there will be room for something since people will be asking for zomg no channel damagemeter please |
| 20:34.24 | FryGuy | ah |
| 20:34.32 | FryGuy | but i was mainly meaning for threat :p |
| 20:34.37 | Kebinusan | oh |
| 20:34.38 | FryGuy | and the damagemeters as a bonus |
| 20:35.34 | Kebinusan | I like swstats, but its just the ui makes me gag |
| 20:35.44 | FryGuy | ya the ui is pretty horrid :/ |
| 20:35.49 | Jagobah | I got everyone to use BigWigs when it was using Ace1 |
| 20:35.54 | Jagobah | Now I have to do it all over ;( |
| 20:36.05 | FryGuy | was going to use parserlib to make it easy |
| 20:36.06 | Mikma | [Ammo]: was it you? ping! |
| 20:36.23 | Jagobah | And our MT is having trouble getting the minimap button aaah |
| 20:37.16 | haste_ | hha |
| 20:43.20 | Industrial | http://meetme.hotornot.com/r/?emid=G8KZGUB |
| 20:43.32 | Industrial | :P~~~~ |
| 20:44.34 | Sinaloit | Odd random thought/question with AceComm will you be able to register events to be sent across channels? |
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| 20:45.53 | hyperChipmunk | hey noober |
| 20:45.57 | Mikma | hmmm |
| 20:45.59 | Mikma | gta4 is coming |
| 20:46.14 | Shyva | latest gta sucked imo :( |
| 20:46.21 | Shyva | Vice city was great tho |
| 20:46.22 | Mikma | liberty city stories? |
| 20:46.28 | Mikma | or san andreas |
| 20:46.32 | Shyva | San andreas |
| 20:46.41 | Mikma | i thought it was pretty nice |
| 20:46.56 | Mikma | could have like more if it would have been vice city ^^ |
| 20:47.00 | Shyva | didn't like it my self :p |
| 20:47.02 | Mikma | vice city is just so.. PRETT! |
| 20:47.05 | Mikma | pretty* |
| 20:47.37 | Mikma | October 19th 2007 |
| 20:47.38 | Mikma | pffff |
| 20:48.05 | Shyva | o.0 |
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| 20:48.47 | Mikma | that's releasedate for gta4 |
| 20:50.10 | Mikma | ffs, no GTA4 for me |
| 20:50.16 | Mikma | X360 and PS3 |
| 20:50.39 | Shyva | no wai! |
| 20:50.47 | Mikma | http://www.rockstargames.com/grandtheftauto4/ |
| 20:50.56 | Shyva | I hate consoles... nerf them |
| 20:51.37 | Tain | Bully might be fun. |
| 20:51.37 | Gngsk | I feel the same way |
| 20:51.54 | FISKER_Q | i hate rockstar |
| 20:51.56 | Tain | I do like Dead Rising. |
| 20:52.11 | Tain | Run around a mall killing zombies with anything you find? That's a winning formula. |
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| 21:00.32 | kergoth | so, the script i ran the other day that wasnt finished after 24 hours |
| 21:00.37 | kergoth | is just about done in 3 minutes now |
| 21:00.40 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:00.50 | kergoth | 24 hours to 3 minutes. now thats optimization! or something |
| 21:00.57 | kergoth | :P |
| 21:01.01 | kergoth | helps not running it under colinux |
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| 21:08.07 | haste_ | seriously? |
| 21:08.09 | Mikma | wtb perfectraid that does not make grp1 sized as 6 members |
| 21:08.17 | haste_ | 3min to 24h with CPU cycling is pretty big change :p |
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| 21:13.35 | kergoth | haste_: well that wasnt the only change, just part of the issue :) |
| 21:14.09 | [Liquidor] | Ping, vhaarr |
| 21:14.15 | vhaarr | pong |
| 21:14.44 | CIA-11 | 03tekkub * r8192 10Teknicolor/ (. Core.lua): |
| 21:14.45 | CIA-11 | Teknicolor |
| 21:14.45 | CIA-11 | - Adding back in the stuff from ckk's branch (sorry, it was early and I was pissy, I thought ckk's bronch had shit for savedvars and stuff... next time I'll look at the diff first :P ) |
| 21:16.51 | Mikma | Tekcub: lol :D you're great |
| 21:17.39 | Tekcub | well I woke up and read "merged ckk's branch"... which I remembered him branching to add savedvars and shit, we argued over it in IRC here and I said "no not gonna merge you branch in" |
| 21:18.01 | Tekcub | then I read that and was like *snap* "nuh uh! chew dih un't!" |
| 21:18.07 | Mikma | hmm wasn't the only thing he added the mouseover scan? |
| 21:18.14 | kergoth | then ck realized sv werent necessary, so removed it :) |
| 21:18.26 | Tekcub | mouseover and who catching were what grey put in |
| 21:18.46 | Tekcub | from ckk's |
| 21:19.40 | vhaarr | [Liquidor]: pong |
| 21:19.44 | Tekcub | hell, if I'd have seen "merging in mouseover and who detection from ckk's branch" I prolly wouldn't've been a bitch |
| 21:19.54 | [Liquidor] | Want an AQ Transcription? |
| 21:20.04 | vhaarr | yes please, vhaarr@gmail.com |
| 21:20.15 | [Liquidor] | yeah remind me later tonight, got some stuff to do asap |
| 21:20.18 | vhaarr | k |
| 21:20.21 | Tekcub | but hey, it's best to avoid me in the morning, I've been known to kick puppies that looked at me funny just after I woke up |
| 21:21.34 | Mikma | hehe |
| 21:22.51 | FISKER_Q | anyone know the script commands for petfollow and attack? |
| 21:23.43 | hyperChipmunk | PetAttack() |
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| 21:23.57 | FISKER_Q | funny shit happened |
| 21:24.16 | FISKER_Q | the buggy pet i picked up earlier appeared again without a pet bar when i got back to blasted lands |
| 21:24.49 | FISKER_Q | time to wreck havoc |
| 21:28.49 | CIA-11 | 03rabbit * r8193 10BigWigs/Naxxramas/Gluth.lua: BigWigs: Gluth: Don't parse so many events for Decimate. |
| 21:30.54 | Elkano | Tekcub, wrt Teknicolor, as expected it's not running on deDE the way it is :( I had 'hacked' your old version localy to use BabbleClass for colors but maybe you have a better and more efficent idea |
| 21:30.57 | CIA-11 | 03laric * r8194 10AoFHeal/AoFHeal.lua: AofHeal: Renaming variables should be done on all occurances not just some :( |
| 21:31.34 | Tekcub | I have an idea, yes elk, but I've not implemented it... |
| 21:31.58 | Tekcub | I need to put it in PaintChips as well :) |
| 21:32.11 | Elkano | but you made me diable my own coloredwhispers ^^ |
| 21:32.44 | Elkano | btw: will it be coloring system messages ([bla] has come online) to if it got the data? |
| 21:32.44 | Tekcub | try that again in Common... |
| 21:32.48 | Theondry | Yay! I'm smrt! I figured out what metrognome actually is doing for me, so I can use the ondataupdate function! |
| 21:32.57 | Tekcub | no it won't I think.. |
| 21:32.59 | Tekcub | but it could |
| 21:33.17 | Elkano | and before caching the guild, maybe it should enable the display of offline guildmates |
| 21:33.54 | Tekcub | it doesn't need to do that, a guild roster iterate gives all units and includes their online status |
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| 21:34.16 | Elkano | the 'come online' stuff would be great if you are looking for some specific class players for a raid |
| 21:34.22 | Tekcub | yea |
| 21:34.46 | Elkano | sorry to siapoint you but it doesn't |
| 21:35.06 | Elkano | if 'hide offline' is checked it will only return online mates |
| 21:36.15 | Elkano | but if you call SetGuildRosterShowOffline(1) before the loop and SetGuildRosterShowOffline(SHOW_OFFLINE_GUILD_MEMBERS) after it works fine :) I do that for GuildFu |
| 21:39.20 | CIA-11 | 03neronix 07TotallyUnusuable * r8195 10uPerl/OO_Design_Documentation.txt: uPerl (pre-pre-alpha) - Added OO_Design_Documentation.txt which serves as a reference for myself, and stuff for all of you to laugh at |
| 21:40.43 | CIA-11 | 03neronix * r8196 10/branches/uPerl/ (TotallyUnusable/ TotallyUnusuable/): Fixed branch name typo |
| 21:45.29 | vhaarr | [Liquidor]: have you tried Gluth with a raidgroup where ~everyone uses BigWigs? |
| 21:45.32 | vhaarr | or anyone else? |
| 21:45.51 | Industrial | http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=1790.new#new |
| 21:45.52 | [Liquidor] | we are 4 users of bigwigs atm |
| 21:46.04 | vhaarr | right |
| 21:46.14 | [Liquidor] | 5 even: Me, MT, Mage, Druid, Warlock |
| 21:46.19 | vhaarr | almost everyone installed bigwigs here and we're lagging like crazy on decimate |
| 21:46.21 | vhaarr | but hrm |
| 21:46.26 | vhaarr | we don't lag on fear, and it syncs too |
| 21:46.43 | [Liquidor] | It's the GFX of the decimate spell |
| 21:47.18 | [Liquidor] | It's like the start of Vael but with x3 more targets |
| 21:50.58 | vhaarr | Shyva: poke |
| 21:51.27 | Shyva | vhaarr, wzzp? |
| 21:51.38 | vhaarr | Shyva: Messages.lua depends on the color module |
| 21:51.56 | Shyva | vhaarr: So does Bars.lua |
| 21:51.56 | vhaarr | or hm |
| 21:52.05 | vhaarr | well it shouldn't |
| 21:52.19 | Shyva | for the time being it is |
| 21:52.19 | vhaarr | should fix it so they work without it |
| 21:52.40 | Shyva | requires alot of extra code, just consider it as a core module |
| 21:52.48 | vhaarr | gah |
| 21:52.54 | vhaarr | my whole guild has to restart wow |
| 21:53.01 | vhaarr | because of that |
| 21:53.08 | vhaarr | mid-raid |
| 21:53.22 | Shyva | Well, don't update mid raid? |
| 21:53.42 | Sinaloit | if you're reloading your addons I doubt you're in the middle of a fight :) |
| 21:53.50 | vhaarr | no but still |
| 21:53.53 | vhaarr | annoying :) |
| 21:54.02 | Shyva | Meh |
| 21:54.16 | Shyva | That's just wining because of something really really small imo.. |
| 21:54.33 | Shyva | tried to make it work without the color module, but stopped with that, took to much duplicated code |
| 21:54.56 | Shyva | maybe [Ammo] and I will still do it sometime in the future |
| 21:55.05 | haste_ | "I'm also in the process of adding a few oRA aware items to X-Perl UnitFrames, to give another alternative." |
| 21:55.19 | haste_ | Neronix`afk: looks like X-Perl will grow :p |
| 21:55.53 | vhaarr | Shyva: heh |
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| 22:00.51 | Sinaloit | is oRA2 going to use AceComm haste_? |
| 22:00.54 | XLVII | tekcub, would it be possible for you to implement a way for teknicolor / teknicolour to store the colours for the people? |
| 22:01.10 | haste_ | Sinaloit: [Ammo] is that way ---> ;) |
| 22:01.20 | XLVII | because, everytime i login.. everyones name is that ugly pinkish colour |
| 22:01.25 | Sinaloit | lol thought you were working on oRA2 also sorry |
| 22:02.08 | Shyva | no AceComm in ora2 afaik |
| 22:02.11 | haste_ | Sinaloit: I haven't had time to fix or change anything in over a week |
| 22:02.38 | Sinaloit | so RPS is the only AceComm addon atm? *chuckle* |
| 22:02.56 | Shyva | dunno :p |
| 22:07.49 | Tekcub | no xl |
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| 22:09.41 | XLVII | ;F |
| 22:10.07 | Neronix`afk | haste_: hehe |
| 22:10.25 | Amadeo | I can't wait for uPerl, I wanna mess with it :) |
| 22:13.21 | Neronix | oh damn |
| 22:13.24 | Neronix | I just got an idea |
| 22:13.40 | Neronix | why not make a unit frame based on the design of that Paradigm discord layout? |
| 22:14.24 | Neronix | Saves people from having to hack at Nurfed's layout thing, or from having to use the boogeyman's stuff |
| 22:14.53 | Neronix | Hmm, I need to decide on what I like more O.o |
| 22:15.53 | Amadeo | or an original one :) |
| 22:15.53 | haste_ | it's SOOOOOOOO large :< |
| 22:16.14 | Neronix | haste_: based on ;P |
| 22:16.24 | Neronix | I'll likely change bits and pieces of it if I choose that |
| 22:16.40 | haste_ | Neronix: It's this large: [xxxxxxx ] |
| 22:16.43 | Amadeo | Every time my friend walks onto a boat, their character gets stuck |
| 22:16.46 | Amadeo | anyone ever heard of that? |
| 22:17.20 | haste_ | nope |
| 22:17.21 | Neronix | haste_: 3/4ths of an inch O.o? |
| 22:17.38 | haste_ | Neronix: I have no idea how much a inch is :p |
| 22:17.48 | haste_ | and my scheme is missing some x's |
| 22:18.18 | Neronix | I'll need to actually use the layout for a wee while before I decide |
| 22:20.40 | CIA-11 | 03ag * r8197 10ag_UnitFrames/ (ag_UnitClass.lua ag_UnitFrames.lua): |
| 22:20.40 | CIA-11 | ag_UnitFrames |
| 22:20.40 | CIA-11 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:20.40 | CIA-11 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:21.58 | Amadeo | ag`: What's the WatchDog stuff? |
| 22:21.59 | Neronix | ~tryme |
| 22:22.01 | purl | ACTION spins the revolver, points it at haste_ and fires. Click. |
| 22:22.34 | Amadeo | I don't trust WatchDog, everytime I log in it says, "Lift some weights, lazy ass!" |
| 22:22.46 | Neronix | Amadeo: iirc, text displayed now works like watchdog (You can pimp^H^H^H^H^Hcustomise it till your heart's content) |
| 22:22.51 | Amadeo | ohhhh |
| 22:22.53 | Neronix | or at least something like it |
| 22:22.54 | Amadeo | very cool |
| 22:23.22 | Neronix | (No, it's not going into uPerl or uParadigm :P) |
| 22:23.28 | Amadeo | haha |
| 22:23.35 | Neronix | If it's a lot of work and I don't need it, it's not going in ^^ |
| 22:23.40 | Amadeo | I really like agUF, but I like a lot of unit frames |
| 22:23.49 | Amadeo | they just always lack one thing I gotta have |
| 22:23.58 | Neronix | Make your own |
| 22:24.12 | Neronix | The perfect solution! |
| 22:24.18 | Amadeo | haha |
| 22:24.20 | Jagobah | Did shyva remove the octopus king avatar :O |
| 22:24.22 | Amadeo | I wish I could :P |
| 22:24.38 | Shyva | hmm? what Jagobah? o.0 |
| 22:24.39 | Neronix | You eventually wrote Hitman, didn't you? |
| 22:24.44 | Neronix | Keep at it man |
| 22:24.47 | Jagobah | On the wowace forums! |
| 22:24.55 | Amadeo | for now, I have to convince someone to code new buff/debuff auras for ag_UF :P |
| 22:25.10 | Shyva | I cann't really remove things there Jagobah :p just a normal member o.0 |
| 22:25.43 | ag` | Amadeo, I will probably do it but it will be on the other side of my USA trip |
| 22:26.26 | ag` | which ends at the 1st sep |
| 22:26.26 | Amadeo | ag`: You're coming to the US? |
| 22:26.26 | Amadeo | Where to? |
| 22:26.26 | ag` | New York and Boston areas |
| 22:26.26 | Amadeo | awesome |
| 22:26.26 | Amadeo | you been here before? |
| 22:26.27 | ag` | When I was like 3 years old, in florida |
| 22:26.32 | Amadeo | business or pleasure trip? |
| 22:26.49 | hyperChipmunk | business trip @ 3 y.o.? |
| 22:26.54 | Tain | I worked in Boston for 8 years. About oh.. 20 miles south of Boston now. |
| 22:26.59 | Amadeo | hyperChipmunk: The one he's going on soon :P |
| 22:27.03 | Amadeo | hahaha |
| 22:27.22 | ag` | It's with my family |
| 22:27.26 | Amadeo | New York is a great place |
| 22:27.29 | Amadeo | they have everything |
| 22:27.34 | Amadeo | get some pizza :) |
| 22:27.42 | ag` | They have good pizza?:p |
| 22:27.45 | Amadeo | yeah! |
| 22:27.54 | Amadeo | California, New York and Chicago are the best |
| 22:28.00 | ag` | Good, I like pizza |
| 22:28.06 | Jagobah | Oh wait that's Kyahx |
| 22:28.08 | Jagobah | nvm |
| 22:28.09 | Jagobah | :) |
| 22:28.14 | Amadeo | You can find anything in NY |
| 22:28.19 | ag` | I think Florida was nice for me as a kid, sea world, disney world etc |
| 22:28.36 | ag` | but I can't really remember a thing |
| 22:28.36 | Amadeo | hell, I'd go to that stuff even now :P |
| 22:28.52 | ag` | I have pictures of mickey mouse stealing my hat |
| 22:28.56 | Amadeo | hahah |
| 22:28.58 | ag` | but I can't remember it >.< |
| 22:29.27 | Amadeo | M-i-c-k-e-yyyyy, o-w-n-e-d! |
| 22:29.31 | Neronix | Come to Glasgow on your way back |
| 22:29.51 | Neronix | The absolutely brilliant thing about it, is that if it was nuked, it'd look exactly the same as it did before ^^ |
| 22:30.01 | Mikma | hmm |
| 22:30.09 | Mikma | i think i need to make a new style for ora mt |
| 22:30.15 | CIA-11 | 03gamefaq * r8198 10BugSack/ (BugSack-deDE.lua BugSack.toc): Added German Translation |
| 22:32.55 | Neronix | hmm.. how about this? http://www.discordmods.com/DiscordUnitFrames/CustomLayouts/Cinque.jpg |
| 22:33.31 | Amadeo | I'm not a big fan of em |
| 22:33.40 | Amadeo | You should design your own layout, something totally different :) |
| 22:33.48 | Amadeo | or get someone with some hot art skills to do so :D |
| 22:34.00 | Gamefaq|afk | lol |
| 22:34.04 | Mikma | hmm yeah |
| 22:34.13 | Neronix | I know someone like that, but he's a 4' 9" annoying prat |
| 22:34.18 | Amadeo | hahaha |
| 22:34.23 | Amadeo | so get him a stepstool |
| 22:34.26 | Amadeo | :D |
| 22:36.31 | Amadeo | call up Chip Foose and get your unit frames Overhauled! |
| 22:36.31 | Neronix | wtb [Working Pen] pst plzzz srs offrs only |
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| 22:37.44 | kergoth | haha, this commit has so many changes that by the time the 'svn ci' finished sending data, someone else committed stuff, so my copy was out of date, so the commit failed |
| 22:37.48 | kergoth | never seen that happen before |
| 22:38.02 | Neronix | hehe |
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| 22:42.47 | CIA-11 | 03theondry * r8199 10FuBar_SnaFu/ (Changes.txt FuBar_SnaFu.toc SnaFu.lua SnaFuLocals.lua): |
| 22:42.47 | CIA-11 | 0.11.3 16Aug06 |
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| 22:42.48 | CIA-11 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:42.52 | CIA-11 | Also trying to use a text file for the -m part of the commit. |
| 22:44.49 | Theondry | Hrm... I should put my addon name at the top of the text file I use. |
| 22:45.06 | CIA-11 | 03ag * r8200 10ag_UnitFrames/ag_UnitFrames.lua: |
| 22:45.06 | CIA-11 | ag_UnitFrames |
| 22:45.06 | CIA-11 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:46.35 | CIA-11 | ag_UnitFrames |
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| 22:48.27 | Mikma | ag`: you know what.. you should make playertargets in aguf ;) |
| 22:49.16 | Neronix | "Scanner is warming up or in use" My arse |
| 22:50.12 | CIA-11 | 03ag * r8202 10ag_UnitFrames/ag_UnitFrames.lua: |
| 22:50.12 | CIA-11 | ag_UnitFrames |
| 22:50.13 | CIA-11 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:50.36 | ag` | Mikma, maybe.. I think I might just keep to main tanks |
| 22:51.00 | ag` | I might make it easy to see who's the unit is targetting |
| 22:51.05 | ag` | through the use of watchdog stuff |
| 22:51.59 | Neronix | :( - http://neronix.ath.cx:8080/NeroSketchesPg1.jpg |
| 22:52.56 | Mikma | wtg nero ;) |
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| 22:59.04 | CIA-11 | ag_UnitFrames |
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| 23:00.16 | Amadeo | ag`: You still planning SelfCast for Pub? |
| 23:00.47 | Amadeo | or gonna skip it? |
| 23:01.11 | Neronix | Amadeo: Do you have that link to the cool mockup someone made? |
| 23:01.29 | Neronix | nvm, still have that pm window open |
| 23:01.50 | Amadeo | Neronix: That was in the agUF thread on wowace |
| 23:03.04 | CIA-11 | 03sinaloit * r8204 10CountinCandy/ (13 files in 5 dirs): |
| 23:03.04 | CIA-11 | CountinCandy: |
| 23:03.04 | CIA-11 | - Cleaned up Core.lua a little bit. Began to add Module Registration |
| 23:03.04 | CIA-11 | - Added basic Directory structure and empty files to help give an idea of concept. |
| 23:03.57 | clad|sleep | kergoth: Lol |
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| 23:05.54 | ag` | Amadeo, probably yeah |
| 23:06.03 | ag` | I have some things that the default blizzard selfcast won't provide |
| 23:06.11 | ag` | that I use myself |
| 23:06.33 | ag` | if self have debuffs then cast dispel on self first else cast dispel on target |
| 23:08.02 | kergoth | cladhaire: can you do me a favor and 'svn lock' the repo for this operation? i'm fixing every last inconsistent line ending in the repository (fiels with both lf and crlf) |
| 23:08.20 | kergoth | and am setting the svn:eol-style property to native to avoid it happening again in the future |
| 23:09.02 | Kyahx | wtf is wrong with people not putting mod names in >:( |
| 23:09.22 | kergoth | Sinaloit: whats countincandy? |
| 23:09.35 | Tem | kergoth, check the logs |
| 23:09.37 | Sinaloit | just as a note if you're doing that kergoth cladhaire should also enable auto-props and set svn:eol-style to native for relevant extensions |
| 23:09.58 | kergoth | thanks for the reminder sin :) |
| 23:10.01 | Sinaloit | or you'll just have the problem again later :) |
| 23:10.14 | Mikma | hmmh |
| 23:10.21 | Mikma | making a new style for oRA MT is not easy |
| 23:11.00 | Sinaloit | CountinCandy is in concept an AceTimer like addon for Ace2.. Since i've never written an ace2 addon don't expect functionality anytime soon heh |
| 23:11.43 | kergoth | hooray, at least someone is working on it :) |
| 23:12.15 | hyperChipmunk | and it's someone who knows hos to do svn commits |
| 23:12.24 | hyperChipmunk | check out his first commit note =D |
| 23:14.59 | Sinaloit | I have a typo in my 5:50 commit from yesterday, dont feel like doing a -revprop and editing the log, if thats even allowed on the server heh. should be LF/CRLF which amusingly enough is what kergoth is fixing :) |
| 23:16.08 | kergoth | doubt anyone but clad has the access to modify revprops |
| 23:16.24 | Neronix | http://neronix.ath.cx:8080/NeroSketchesPg2.jpg |
| 23:16.28 | hyperChipmunk | his is the one I meant |
| 23:16.30 | hyperChipmunk | CountinCandy: |
| 23:16.30 | hyperChipmunk | - Initial Import v.00000001 ;) |
| 23:16.30 | hyperChipmunk | - Current Functionality: None |
| 23:16.30 | hyperChipmunk | - Expected Functionality: SpellTimer Bars |
| 23:16.31 | Neronix | I think I'm getting somewhere now... |
| 23:17.56 | Amadeo | starting to look good :) |
| 23:18.01 | Sinaloit | that Access is denied. picture looks great =) |
| 23:19.27 | Shyva | http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j195/drkieros/LegendaryThread.jpg |
| 23:19.44 | haste_ | Shyva: 4chan-er ;D ? |
| 23:19.55 | haste_ | or rather: /b/-whore? |
| 23:20.05 | Shyva | hmm? |
| 23:20.14 | Sinaloit | thats not just legendary thread its 150% thread |
| 23:20.16 | haste_ | I'll take that as a no ;) |
| 23:21.38 | Gngsk | Anyone ever experienced timer issues with BW on anub'rekhan? |
| 23:22.04 | Shyva | anub's timer is random, so, yes |
| 23:22.38 | *** join/#wowace nickenyfiken (n=nickenyf@83.145.59.23) |
| 23:23.21 | Gngsk | ahh, ok |
| 23:27.14 | vhaarr | ag`: any docs for the custom style somewhere? |
| 23:28.19 | Mikma | hmm |
| 23:28.29 | Mikma | i think my style for ora mt is getting ready soon :D |
| 23:29.49 | Kyahx | Make it better than Elysium, and I will tip my hat to you good sir. |
| 23:30.02 | Mikma | well wan't a beta screenie? |
| 23:30.07 | Mikma | of course you do |
| 23:30.28 | Kyahx | it's possible |
| 23:30.30 | ag` | vhaarr, here's an example: [curmana]/[maxmana] |
| 23:30.42 | vhaarr | ag`: how can I recreate the Smart style? |
| 23:30.51 | vhaarr | ag`: I don't see it's possible to use ifs |
| 23:31.22 | ag` | It's not possible yet |
| 23:31.31 | vhaarr | gah |
| 23:31.50 | ag` | as I wrote go back to the revision you liked |
| 23:31.55 | ag` | the SVN is for development:S |
| 23:32.06 | Mikma | Kyahx: http://wow.reaktio.net/oramt.jpg |
| 23:32.08 | ag` | it will be possible but its not there yet |
| 23:32.30 | vhaarr | yeah I will go back, thanks |
| 23:33.06 | Kyahx | Mikma: hmmmm |
| 23:33.42 | Mikma | Kyahx: yes yes? |
| 23:33.53 | Kyahx | :( |
| 23:34.10 | Kyahx | It is good, I know a friend of mine will like it |
| 23:34.16 | Mikma | but? |
| 23:34.25 | *** part/#wowace Theondry (i=user@ppp-70-245-125-9.dsl.elpstx.swbell.net) |
| 23:34.29 | Kyahx | Too much up and down for me. Widescreen FTL in this case |
| 23:35.00 | Mikma | yeah well i don't have much space on screen :P that's why i'm making them like this hehe |
| 23:35.05 | Mikma | well to be honest |
| 23:35.15 | Mikma | all i really need is a PLAYER target and then the MT |
| 23:35.21 | Neronix | wtb elysium screenshot |
| 23:35.38 | Mikma | so if there would be a way to seperate the target and mttarget's that would be nice |
| 23:35.55 | Mikma | but right now there ain't a way to apply different style for different windows |
| 23:36.48 | Mikma | as soon as you get a way to use different styles in PT and MT i'm happy ;) |
| 23:36.58 | Kyahx | Neronix: Player [xxx%98] : Target [x %22] |
| 23:37.15 | Kyahx | Perfect Raid type bars, shows tank / tank HP and target / HP |
| 23:37.31 | Kebinusan | Apparently Fubar-2.0 on wowinterface has an outdated version of AceOO or something... at least it seems that guildies are complaing about mods breaking when updating bigwigs today I havent gotten the exact error yet |
| 23:37.51 | Mikma | well |
| 23:37.57 | Kyahx | Kebinusan: yep, its an AceOO error, have to update Ace2 in his folders =/ |
| 23:38.03 | Mikma | i COULD make this theme sideways without the stupid name of mob |
| 23:38.05 | Kyahx | sneaky bugs |
| 23:38.07 | Mikma | only HP of the target... |
| 23:38.07 | Neronix | I see |
| 23:38.20 | Kyahx | Mikma: *shrug* Make what works for you, not what works for me |
| 23:38.32 | Mikma | Kyahx: i don't need the names to be honest :) |
| 23:38.40 | Neronix | http://neronix.ath.cx:8080/NeroSketchesPg3.jpg |
| 23:38.44 | Mikma | and the numbers are sucky too, who cares about the numbers lol |
| 23:38.48 | Neronix | I think I'm gonna settle on the last one |
| 23:39.28 | haste_ | Neronix: why don't you take the nametag, next to the portrait |
| 23:39.47 | Neronix | hmm, why not |
| 23:39.58 | kergoth | wtf, my username and pass isnt working half the time on the wowace svn repo |
| 23:40.08 | kergoth | seems random |
| 23:40.43 | hyperChipmunk | There Is No Random |
| 23:40.44 | kergoth | hmm |
| 23:40.56 | haste_ | [split 1:2] |
| 23:40.59 | Tain | Chaos coding. |
| 23:41.20 | Tekcub | does anything use RosterLib's "RosterLib_UnitChanged" event yet? |
| 23:41.41 | cladhaire | no |
| 23:41.43 | Sinaloit | probably not it was only added recently |
| 23:42.05 | Codayus | Neronix: Elyxium style looks like this, with all the bells and whistles turned on: |
| 23:42.07 | Tekcub | okey I'm changing something then |
| 23:42.11 | Codayus | http://wow.chaos.net.nz/oRA_MT_frames.jpg |
| 23:42.20 | hyperChipmunk | I do; you can't modify it now or it will break everything i've ever written |
| 23:42.24 | Neronix | Ah, I see |
| 23:42.29 | Sinaloit | *lol* |
| 23:42.35 | Tekcub | too bad hC |
| 23:42.55 | Codayus | I understand that a significant number of people would recoil in horror at MT frames like that, but *I* <3 them. :-) |
| 23:43.37 | CIA-11 | 03tekkub * r8205 10RosterLib-2.0/RosterLib-2.0.lua: |
| 23:43.37 | CIA-11 | RosterLib |
| 23:43.38 | CIA-11 | - Swapped unitid and name args in RosterLib_UnitChanged event so that bucket events will group by unitid instead of name. |
| 23:45.39 | kergoth | damnit |
| 23:45.40 | kergoth | what the fuck |
| 23:45.51 | Tekcub | that the fuck |
| 23:46.22 | haste_ | 3.. 2.. 1.. Dr. Tran |
| 23:46.33 | Sinaloit | http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y217/tidbit2008screencaps/hellykittyydarth.jpg |
| 23:46.36 | kergoth | i cant authenticate to the svn server |
| 23:46.45 | kergoth | cladhaire: help. check your auth logs and see what it says for my attempts |
| 23:46.46 | Tekcub | I almost said "Look at that fat cock!" at work the other day |
| 23:46.47 | ag` | kergoth, happened to me once too |
| 23:46.49 | kergoth | cladhaire: cant seem to commit. |
| 23:46.55 | ag` | kergoth, it fixed itself |
| 23:47.00 | ag` | after some minutes |
| 23:47.04 | kergoth | yeah sometimes it seems like i can get in, sometimes not |
| 23:47.05 | kergoth | its weird |
| 23:47.06 | kergoth | :( |
| 23:47.17 | CIA-11 | 03cladhaire * r8206 10ag_UnitFrames/ag_UnitFrames.lua: |
| 23:47.17 | CIA-11 | ag_UnitFrames: |
| 23:47.17 | CIA-11 | * Actually added the WatchDog tags and changed them to work properly with aguf |
| 23:47.17 | CIA-11 | * Edited the default custom formats |
| 23:47.38 | Mikma | hmm i wonder is there any chance to color the bars differently in oRA MT |
| 23:48.19 | Codayus | Differently than? |
| 23:48.44 | Mikma | the normal green to red |
| 23:49.08 | Mikma | i want mt target statbar to be all red |
| 23:50.37 | *** join/#wowace Zeryl (i=Zeryl@24-217-202-34.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) |
| 23:58.49 | vhaarr | [Liquidor]: you wouldn't happen to have a Noth transcript? |
| 23:59.18 | [Liquidor] | Not after this reset yet |
| 23:59.32 | vhaarr | old one is good |
| 23:59.53 | vhaarr | I just need his yells. |
