| 00:00.05 | kergoth | think that should be added, simple enough |
| 00:00.58 | cladhaire | fuck IFM dude |
| 00:01.02 | cladhaire | way to steal all my code=) |
| 00:01.27 | Mikma | :D |
| 00:01.46 | cladhaire | haha its almost a direct port. |
| 00:01.49 | cladhaire | *shrug* |
| 00:01.50 | cladhaire | whatevs |
| 00:02.02 | cladhaire | I didn't write a capsule management system.. I wrote a library for authors to use. |
| 00:02.05 | cladhaire | and mine is better =) |
| 00:02.41 | Mikma | well if i get money on next month to continue playing, i will certainly look adding your library to mami |
| 00:03.07 | kergoth | i like ifm, i like its minimap button for firing up edit mode to move all your stuff around in one fell swoop. dont have to deal with 8 billion different lock/unlock chat commands :P |
| 00:03.17 | kergoth | it may be a direct copy, but i like what they added to it |
| 00:03.51 | cladhaire | nah thats fine |
| 00:03.54 | Galka | So IFM is like MoveAnything? |
| 00:03.55 | cladhaire | at least he acknowledges me |
| 00:03.57 | cladhaire | not in the codtho |
| 00:03.58 | cladhaire | which annoys me. |
| 00:04.34 | Galka | Nice! |
| 00:04.49 | Galka | Ok Mikma, im checking out MAMI as we speak |
| 00:04.52 | kergoth | Galka: not really. it doesnt try to be the end-all be-all solution for moving/scaling/etc frames. its just a system that frames can be registered iwth, programmatically, to be sticky and movable by it. its less intrusive |
| 00:05.01 | Galka | One thing: Does MAMI put the editbox on top of the chatbox? |
| 00:05.07 | Galka | Because I have no addons that do that |
| 00:05.25 | kergoth | doesnt Industrial have a light addon to do that? |
| 00:05.25 | Mikma | hmm not sure, i think it doesn't but it's easy to add |
| 00:05.39 | Mikma | yeah he has and i have my own too :P |
| 00:05.43 | Galka | Industrial does, yes. I do not use that one though |
| 00:05.48 | Mikma | but my addon has several other addons in it |
| 00:05.53 | Galka | All I know is, my UI after loading MAMI has it on top |
| 00:05.55 | Mikma | may not be suitable for all |
| 00:06.06 | Mikma | well i'll check heh |
| 00:06.39 | Mikma | yes, it does move it up |
| 00:07.05 | Mikma | and makes the chatbuttons invisible (but still functional) |
| 00:07.25 | kergoth | meh, i hate it when people shove a ton of little features all in one addon, myself. i'm a fan of high granularity :) (remnant of my embedded linux work, no doubt) |
| 00:07.30 | kergoth | hehe |
| 00:07.53 | Mikma | i myself hate the idea of 100 addons :P |
| 00:08.16 | Mikma | that's the reason i made a small addon for my own usage to have them all in it ;) |
| 00:08.22 | Galka | I'm in agreement with Kergoth >.> |
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| 00:09.25 | kergoth | i dont like loading code that isn't being used |
| 00:09.26 | Tem | So, I just saw x3 |
| 00:09.30 | Mikma | http://wow.reaktio.net/Mikma/ .. |
| 00:09.34 | Mikma | Tem: it sucked? ;) |
| 00:09.37 | kergoth | Tem: the ending. my god. what the fuck. |
| 00:09.40 | kergoth | other than that, i liked it |
| 00:09.43 | Tem | inded |
| 00:09.48 | Tem | indeed* |
| 00:09.52 | Tem | wtf, indeed |
| 00:10.04 | Tem | Did you see the thing after the credits? |
| 00:10.17 | Mikma | umm no |
| 00:10.20 | Mikma | what happened? |
| 00:10.25 | kergoth | Tem: no, but i heard what it was. |
| 00:10.40 | Tem | remember the catatonic guy that Xavier mentions in his class? |
| 00:10.53 | kergoth | <spoiler alert> |
| 00:10.59 | kergoth | :P |
| 00:11.08 | Mikma | um i don't remember |
| 00:11.18 | Tem | then, I won't explain |
| 00:11.26 | Tem | it's on Youtube or Google Video |
| 00:11.37 | Mikma | gimme gimme :) |
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| 00:19.27 | Tem | Mikma, found it |
| 00:19.28 | Tem | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aD_Up-7XMs8&search=x%20men |
| 00:19.42 | Tem | this was after the credits |
| 00:20.33 | Mikma | thanks :D |
| 00:21.26 | Tem | need clarification? |
| 00:21.34 | Tem | it's kind of a bad filming |
| 00:22.11 | Mikma | well i didn't hear what she said |
| 00:22.16 | Mikma | but i hear the other |
| 00:22.21 | Tem | She said "Charles?" |
| 00:22.34 | Mikma | alright, then it makes sense ;) |
| 00:22.38 | kergoth | all i have to say is |
| 00:22.44 | kergoth | if you're gonna call it the last stand |
| 00:22.47 | kergoth | make it the fucking last stand |
| 00:22.50 | kergoth | not the second to last stand |
| 00:22.53 | Tem | LOL.. I was about to say that |
| 00:23.24 | Mikma | bring back the director from x1 and x2 |
| 00:23.42 | Tem | They are making at least 2 more |
| 00:23.50 | Tem | a wolverine solo and magneto solo |
| 00:23.53 | Mikma | but still i can't remember what is the thing with the patient |
| 00:23.55 | Mikma | yeah |
| 00:24.21 | Mikma | http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0458525/ |
| 00:24.21 | Tem | sadly, the magneto solo will be in the past so Ian can't play him |
| 00:24.25 | Mikma | http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0499519/ |
| 00:24.33 | kergoth | Tem: aw. ian was great in that role |
| 00:24.38 | Tem | yeah |
| 00:24.45 | Tem | he's a damn good actor |
| 00:25.09 | Mikma | i have this "find Stan Lee" game going on with marvel movies ;) |
| 00:25.20 | Mikma | not that hard to find hehe |
| 00:27.20 | Tem | Did you guys notice the Chess Peice move before the credits hit? |
| 00:27.27 | Mikma | eyah |
| 00:27.33 | Mikma | that i noticed |
| 00:27.37 | Tem | I'm trying to figure the significance of that |
| 00:27.43 | kergoth | yes, that annoyed me too |
| 00:27.49 | Mikma | "it's not permanent" |
| 00:28.07 | Mikma | or in arnold style: "I'll be back" |
| 00:33.05 | Tem | I was thinking one of 2 things for that |
| 00:33.10 | Tem | either it's not permanent |
| 00:33.22 | Tem | it's not effective on everyone |
| 00:35.18 | Mikma | well, the effect wasn't permanent on the boy either, it was just ranged or something |
| 00:35.33 | Mikma | so soon rogue will start to suck the lives again ;) |
| 00:38.56 | Mikma | but, there still were couple of things i liked about X3... Danger-room and Shadowcat |
| 00:39.42 | Tem | Shadowcat? |
| 00:40.01 | Mikma | well i *think* that was her name |
| 00:40.09 | kergoth | the scene between katie and the juggernaut was great |
| 00:40.11 | Tem | what's she do? |
| 00:40.18 | Mikma | run through walls |
| 00:40.20 | Tem | IM THE JUGGERNAUT BITCH |
| 00:40.28 | kergoth | hehe |
| 00:40.48 | Mikma | vinnie is good actor ;) |
| 00:41.19 | Tem | I was sad to see Mystic bite it |
| 00:41.22 | ckknight_ | why'd the chess piece annoy you, kergoth |
| 00:41.31 | ckknight_ | at least I'm really glad that lots of people died |
| 00:41.38 | Mikma | well the whole movie sucked |
| 00:41.40 | ckknight_ | and that they weren't resurrected at the end |
| 00:41.48 | ckknight_ | I was half-expecting it |
| 00:41.53 | Tem | ckknight_, you didn't stay long enough then |
| 00:41.54 | ckknight_ | but it was quite refreshing |
| 00:42.04 | ckknight_ | Tem, didn't I? |
| 00:42.06 | Mikma | http://www.marvel.com/universe/Shadowcat |
| 00:42.12 | Tem | ckknight_, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aD_Up-7XMs8&search=x%20men |
| 00:43.46 | ckknight_ | ... |
| 00:43.50 | ckknight_ | man |
| 00:43.52 | ckknight_ | he needed to die |
| 00:43.57 | Mikma | why? |
| 00:44.05 | Mikma | he's not dead in the comics either ;) |
| 00:44.08 | ckknight_ | so? |
| 00:44.13 | ckknight_ | oh well |
| 00:44.15 | Mikma | but Jane is |
| 00:44.18 | ckknight_ | I want to see Apocalypse |
| 00:44.20 | ckknight_ | that'd be sweet |
| 00:44.32 | Mikma | oh yeah |
| 00:44.38 | Mikma | about cyclops. wtf? |
| 00:44.49 | Tekkub | I'll be happy with beastie, even if it's Fraiser |
| 00:45.01 | Mikma | he acted 5mins in the movie |
| 00:45.08 | ckknight_ | yea |
| 00:45.16 | ckknight_ | cyclops is a nerd, though |
| 00:45.22 | Mikma | and he died? yeah right |
| 00:45.51 | ckknight_ | yea |
| 00:45.52 | ckknight_ | right. |
| 00:46.10 | Mikma | http://www.marvel.com/universe/Havok |
| 00:46.15 | Mikma | havok kicks ass |
| 00:46.37 | Mikma | and! http://www.marvel.com/universe/Gambit |
| 00:50.19 | Tekkub | http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/33117356/ |
| 00:50.20 | Tekkub | hehe |
| 00:52.04 | Mikma | oh one more thing... Jane has phoenix in her mind? hahah yeah sure |
| 00:52.16 | Mikma | that was the most idiotic thing in the movie :D |
| 00:55.19 | kergoth | also, "wrapped in a psychic caccoon"? pfft |
| 00:55.29 | Mikma | hihi yeah |
| 00:57.27 | ckknight_ | at least they don't have aliens |
| 00:57.45 | Mikma | well... |
| 00:57.58 | Mikma | the movie could have needed zombie ninja pirate aliens |
| 00:58.03 | ckknight_ | and space travel and all that isn't in there |
| 00:58.07 | Mikma | then it would have been the best movie ever |
| 00:58.30 | kergoth | dont forget alternate timelines/dimensions. because just one reality isn't enough! |
| 00:58.32 | Mikma | well rogue can't fly yet either :P |
| 00:58.37 | kergoth | fooo |
| 00:59.19 | ckknight_ | yea, the alternate timeline is confusing |
| 00:59.25 | kergoth | i dont get spammers that put my email address as the From: |
| 00:59.30 | kergoth | do they think i'll believe that i sent it? |
| 00:59.31 | ckknight_ | Mikma, who did she steal the flying thing from? |
| 00:59.55 | Mikma | http://www.marvel.com/universe/Rogue |
| 01:00.24 | Mikma | "Ms. Marvel" |
| 01:01.39 | Mikma | that picture really sucks on the page |
| 01:01.39 | Thiana | Is there a trick to table.sort() ? It doesnt seem to do anything at all. |
| 01:01.56 | Mikma | http://mikma.reaktio.net/rogue.jpg |
| 01:02.02 | Mikma | there's a better picture |
| 01:10.34 | Mikma | so Wolverine/Logan is really James Howlett :D |
| 01:14.03 | Tain | The movie sucked. |
| 01:14.21 | Tain | Plain and simple. |
| 01:14.35 | Tekkub | internet peoples are so opinionated |
| 01:16.04 | Tain | Luckily only my opinions are the correct ones. :D |
| 01:16.31 | Tekkub | see you did it again |
| 01:16.39 | Tekkub | "I counted that one!" |
| 01:18.12 | Tain | Even if you ignore the fact that well-defined character history and behaviour was completely disregarded and you had no idea who any of these people were except for the first two movies, it still made no sense at all. |
| 01:18.42 | Tain | "Hi I'm super power girl and can destroy people and am the dangerous super weapon! Except I'll just stand here and do nothing all movie long." |
| 01:19.58 | Tain | Oh no one of the major characters died! Ehn.. whatever, let's just keep going, no one liked him anyway. |
| 01:21.35 | Mikma | hahaha |
| 01:21.41 | Mikma | that's so cruel but true |
| 01:22.54 | Tain | Really I liked Beast, I thought he was fine. Jackman showed he'd still into the character which is good since the Wolverine solo movie is still supposed to be coming. |
| 01:23.37 | Mikma | the coloring was awful :( when storm hugged him i was hoping she would get some paint on her face |
| 01:24.03 | Mikma | you could see she hugged her really gently so she wouldn't get any paint on :P |
| 01:24.04 | Tain | Other than that.. build up a 3 way romance angle that had no payoff at all |
| 01:25.15 | Tain | I could nitpick all the little scenese. "No one enters the house!" What's the first thing Juggernaut does? Throw someone INTO the house. |
| 01:27.02 | Mikma | haha |
| 01:27.13 | Mikma | so true it hurts xD |
| 01:27.47 | Tain | Some directors just "get it." You don't have to be word for word true to the source material if you stay true to the overall idea of the character. Like Raimi with Spider-Man. Sure things are different (organic web-shooters) but it works because he still keeps the overall character. |
| 01:28.02 | Tain | Bryan Singer did that with the first 2 movies as well. |
| 01:28.29 | Tain | That's why I'm looking forward to Superman. |
| 01:28.59 | Tain | Well that and Kevin Spacey as Lex Luthor. |
| 01:29.17 | Mikma | yeah, atleast it's gonna be interesting |
| 01:29.45 | Mikma | i hope he doesn't have the "K-Pax" attitude ;) |
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| 01:48.31 | Kaelten | heya guys |
| 01:52.24 | Tekkub | hey kael, qjuestion |
| 01:53.18 | Kaelten | question? |
| 01:53.26 | Kaelten | I like questions with easy answers |
| 01:53.28 | Kaelten | :) |
| 01:53.33 | Tekkub | what version of mediawiki is wowace running? |
| 01:53.43 | Kaelten | err, umm... |
| 01:53.47 | Kaelten | i said easy answers damnit! |
| 01:54.04 | Tekkub | oke yI'll give you the answer, <1.6 I think |
| 01:54.08 | Tekkub | question 2 |
| 01:54.17 | Tekkub | can you get it upgraded to 1.6+? |
| 01:54.33 | Tekkub | cause there's some nifty stuff in 1.6 with templates I want to use |
| 01:54.35 | Kaelten | 1.5.7 |
| 01:54.43 | Kaelten | let me look at how hard it would be |
| 01:55.28 | Tekkub | 1.6.6 is the current |
| 01:55.49 | Tekkub | gonna go close pool, bbiaf |
| 02:08.21 | Kaelten | the wiki is probably going to be down for a few mins as I upgrade it |
| 02:12.51 | Tekkub | wewt! |
| 02:13.17 | Kaelten | too many files :s |
| 02:14.13 | Tekkub | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:14.46 | Kaelten | hehe its just taking a while |
| 02:14.54 | Kaelten | the languages directory is nuts :s |
| 02:15.51 | Tekkub | kek |
| 02:15.54 | Kaelten | so what are these new features you're talking about anyway? |
| 02:16.16 | Tekkub | templates being able to call other templates, efectivly creating branching |
| 02:16.28 | Kaelten | hmm odd |
| 02:16.40 | Tekkub | I can make one template for me mods then if, say, I don't define a WoWI mod then no WoWI download link is shown |
| 02:17.04 | Tekkub | http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Advanced_templates |
| 02:17.14 | Kaelten | so you can actually use templates inside the wiki |
| 02:17.15 | Kaelten | didn't know that |
| 02:18.09 | Tekkub | templates are there already, and they're neat, but the 1.6 templates are much smarter if used right, it seems :) |
| 02:18.24 | Kaelten | thats cool |
| 02:18.47 | Tekkub | like I had a template for the SVN changelog url, all I did was provide the mod name... |
| 02:19.07 | Tekkub | when clad changed the webSVN I changed the template... BAM all my mod pages are right again |
| 02:21.08 | Tekkub | too bad I can't just transclude the wiki page into my WoWI/Curse descriptions |
| 02:21.21 | Tekkub | stupid copy/paste requiring effort |
| 02:23.10 | Kaelten | damnit |
| 02:23.21 | Kaelten | why does the stupid upgrade script have to be run from the command line |
| 02:23.33 | Tekkub | kek? |
| 02:24.01 | Kaelten | I've got the files uploaded but to upgrade the database I'm going to have to get dolby to run the php file from the command line |
| 02:25.03 | Tekkub | d'oh |
| 02:25.10 | Tekkub | CAIREEEEEENNNNN!!!!!!!! |
| 02:25.37 | Kaelten | she can't do it only dolby fcan |
| 02:25.48 | Cairenn | what? |
| 02:25.52 | Tekkub | I know but she can wake his butt up to do it :) |
| 02:26.12 | Cairenn | hop in the lounge and ask him yourself :p |
| 02:26.25 | Tekkub | aw... bugger |
| 02:26.34 | Tekkub | he just Dolby here? |
| 02:26.35 | Kaelten | I've sent him a pm and an im |
| 02:26.47 | Kaelten | so its just time now. |
| 02:26.55 | Tekkub | okey then I won't bother him too :) |
| 02:27.06 | Tekkub | I'l just whine until he does |
| 02:27.11 | Tekkub | *deep breath* |
| 02:27.18 | Tekkub | EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEe |
| 02:28.32 | Tekkub | *cry* |
| 02:29.03 | Cairenn | pussy |
| 02:29.17 | Tekkub | yea, so? |
| 02:29.33 | Cairenn | not a thing ;) |
| 02:29.48 | Tekkub | :P |
| 02:30.03 | Cairenn | just having fun giving you a rough time |
| 02:31.22 | Tekkub | hey ckk, BabbleLib is just like PT right? You must run core and then any data modules you need...? |
| 02:36.20 | Tekkub | oh and also ckk, just at a quick glance you don't have korean locales for bosses (I'm guessing the same goes for the other modules?) I want to slip this into BigWigs, but I'll need koKR first since handdol already put in koKR locales for the boss trigger strings... |
| 02:36.46 | Tekkub | anywho, just thought I'd toss that out there.. you can probably rip a lot of them out of BigWigs if you need |
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| 02:49.45 | Tekkub | huzzah, I can't log in... |
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| 02:54.03 | ckknight_ | Tekkub, no |
| 02:54.08 | ckknight_ | you don't need core |
| 02:54.14 | Tekkub | ah, okey |
| 02:54.19 | Tekkub | goot to know :) |
| 02:54.27 | ckknight_ | I'd be happy to put in korean translations if you have em |
| 02:54.44 | Tekkub | there's whatever handdol has added to BigWigs |
| 02:54.51 | Tekkub | IE, a few dozen bosses |
| 02:54.53 | ckknight_ | will check it out |
| 02:54.59 | Kaelten | is websvn down for everyone? |
| 02:55.01 | Tekkub | and a few zone names |
| 02:55.11 | Tekkub | yea keal, and the wiki too.... |
| 02:55.58 | Kaelten | the wiki will be till dolby runs that command |
| 02:55.59 | Kaelten | :s |
| 02:56.16 | Tekkub | *poke DD5.1* |
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| 02:59.42 | clad|sleep | night all |
| 03:08.42 | ckknight | Tekkub, if I put in the koKR stuff for the bosses, you'll switch to it, righT? |
| 03:08.44 | ckknight | right* |
| 03:09.20 | Tekkub | yea |
| 03:09.37 | Tekkub | I'm halfway sick of handdol editing code beyond locale stuff anyway |
| 03:09.58 | Tekkub | there was only like one case where it was needed to edit a method to behave specially for koKR |
| 03:10.05 | Tekkub | he did more than that :P |
| 03:10.20 | ckknight | hrm |
| 03:10.26 | ckknight | I'm adding in the bosses I don't seem to have |
| 03:10.28 | ckknight | btw |
| 03:10.37 | ckknight | AQ20 for instance |
| 03:15.43 | Tekkub | :) |
| 03:16.15 | ckknight | btw, I'm thinking for BabbleLib 1.2 to go from the "ENGLISH_WORD" deal to "English Word" |
| 03:16.33 | Tekkub | Just using the normal english localized version? |
| 03:16.39 | ckknight | yea |
| 03:16.56 | Tekkub | I like it, half the strings in memory for english users |
| 03:17.02 | ckknight | so you'd do BabbleLib:GetLocalized("Anubisath Guardian") == "Beschützer des Anubisath" |
| 03:17.03 | Tekkub | and I hate the all-caps thing |
| 03:17.12 | ckknight | yea, that was for legacy with WARLOCK and such |
| 03:17.19 | ckknight | I'll support that for the class deal |
| 03:17.23 | Tekkub | yea |
| 03:17.23 | ckknight | but only for that |
| 03:17.27 | ckknight | but that's later |
| 03:17.37 | Tekkub | since you can get the caps ones from the system |
| 03:17.41 | ckknight | yea |
| 03:17.45 | ckknight | the other ones, you don't |
| 03:18.08 | Tekkub | ugh... anyone found a yahho/jabber transport on a server that WORKS? |
| 03:18.18 | Tekkub | I've gone thru like 4 and can't get em to work |
| 03:18.29 | Tekkub | works for a day or two then shits out on me |
| 03:18.43 | Tekkub | fucking yahoo... |
| 03:19.13 | ckknight | also, do you think that getting a localized deal that's nonexistant should silently fail (like now) or error? |
| 03:19.22 | Tekkub | hrm... |
| 03:19.25 | Tekkub | that's iffy |
| 03:19.29 | ckknight | yea |
| 03:19.32 | Tekkub | error's probably better |
| 03:19.36 | ckknight | yea |
| 03:19.40 | ckknight | I'm thinking so |
| 03:19.42 | Tekkub | then the users KNOWS a string needs localized |
| 03:20.00 | Tekkub | best way to get localization, bug the users |
| 03:20.09 | Tekkub | don't just ask, be annoying |
| 03:20.32 | ckknight | well, it'd be caught at addon creation time |
| 03:20.40 | Tekkub | maybe |
| 03:20.45 | Tekkub | depends on the usage |
| 03:21.49 | ckknight | also. |
| 03:22.15 | ckknight | what if French doesn't have a translation? |
| 03:22.21 | ckknight | should it error or use the English? |
| 03:22.30 | ckknight | for a specific Boss, I mean |
| 03:22.56 | Tekkub | throw a bitchy errorish thing then give back the engrish |
| 03:23.09 | Tekkub | then it MIGHT work or might not, depending on how the string is used |
| 03:23.16 | Tekkub | if it's just displayed, fine |
| 03:23.22 | ckknight | so not a real error, but a print? |
| 03:23.26 | Tekkub | if it's used in some test it'd probably not function |
| 03:23.34 | Tekkub | yea, basically |
| 03:23.39 | ckknight | works for me |
| 03:23.52 | Tekkub | or can you throw an error without ending exec? |
| 03:24.01 | Tekkub | like, a "real" error |
| 03:24.21 | ckknight | not sure |
| 03:24.26 | ckknight | kergoth? |
| 03:27.00 | kergoth | iirc message() or so does an error like message display without actually hosing that lua chunk execution |
| 03:27.07 | kergoth | but my wow api is rusty |
| 03:27.23 | ckknight | hrm |
| 03:27.49 | ckknight | I think I'll have it do once per translation, so it doesn't double fire for the same one |
| 03:27.55 | ckknight | and tell them to email me or something |
| 03:28.02 | ckknight | with the right one |
| 03:28.18 | ckknight | that is only if the English exists but the furriner one doesn't |
| 03:32.13 | Codayus | Okay so I'm grinding in EPL, when a passing paladin buffs me. |
| 03:32.21 | Codayus | Then he hangs around and helps me grind for a bit... |
| 03:32.26 | Codayus | I ask him why he's helping... |
| 03:33.04 | Codayus | "Oh! Right. See, I was going to buff you and hearth. Then I realized it was only a 5 minute buff..." |
| 03:33.13 | Tekkub | god |
| 03:33.24 | Codayus | "So I was gong to just buff you once more...I guess I got carried away. Thanks for reminding me, I've got some stuff to do!" |
| 03:33.31 | Codayus | And he hearths. |
| 03:33.32 | ckknight | hehe |
| 03:34.01 | Codayus | Odd really. oO |
| 03:34.50 | Codayus | I shouldn't have said anything. He might have stuck around for a couple of hours! |
| 03:35.19 | kergoth | hah |
| 03:36.14 | Codayus | A guildie I told suggested trying to recruit him. We could use some pallies with that mindset. Ours mostly try and DPS. *cry* |
| 04:14.08 | CIA-17 | 03kaelten * r2374 10AceGUI/ (35 files in 2 dirs): For some reason the aceGUI directory was empty. so I guess this may be an initial commit. Or at least restoring the main trunk release. |
| 04:15.06 | Kaelten | not sure what was up with that being empty |
| 04:24.33 | CIA-17 | 03kaelten * r2375 10KC_Items/core/common/stats.lua: KC_Items: Fixed bug where on fresh install you'd get a nil error in the stats. |
| 04:26.01 | *** join/#wowace Kyahx (n=Kyahx@72.2.212.239) |
| 04:28.31 | CIA-17 | 03ckknight * r2376 10BabbleLib/Boss/BabbleLib-Boss.lua: BabbleLib-Boss - added AQ20 and AQ40 bosses. Added some koKR translations. |
| 04:29.51 | CIA-17 | 03ckknight * r2377 10/branches/BabbleLib-1.2/: branched BabbleLib for 1.2 |
| 04:50.05 | Tekkub | wewt! |
| 04:50.23 | Tekkub | ah, babble does make localating a bunch of "core" crap easy |
| 05:20.14 | ckknight | yea |
| 05:20.21 | ckknight | you still have to do the fringe stuff |
| 05:20.26 | ckknight | until that become a babble module |
| 05:20.31 | ckknight | hehe |
| 05:22.37 | Tekkub | :) |
| 05:23.34 | ckknight | which I'm honestly not against |
| 05:23.57 | Tekkub | you should make it |
| 05:24.05 | ckknight | why should _I_ make it? |
| 05:24.09 | Tekkub | we need a nice consistant method of managing locales |
| 05:24.22 | Tekkub | and you've got the core structure in your babble modules |
| 05:24.37 | Tekkub | only diff is the author would register locale funcs with it |
| 05:25.16 | Tekkub | it'd still manage the logic of picking the right one... author could even define which is the "default" by which they're all indexed |
| 05:25.28 | Tekkub | for those weird non-common-speaking people |
| 05:26.20 | ckknight | default? |
| 05:26.37 | ckknight | I don't really want to have different locales spread across different files |
| 05:26.45 | Tekkub | like your defaults are all engrish |
| 05:26.47 | kergoth | that was weird |
| 05:26.59 | kergoth | keepitcool was causing wow to hang on login |
| 05:27.07 | Tekkub | but maybe the author's indexes are in german cause he wrote the mod in german first |
| 05:27.11 | kergoth | had to isolate it via a binary search of my damn addons dir |
| 05:27.27 | CIA-17 | 03ckknight * r2378 10/branches/BabbleLib-1.2/ (API.html README.txt Zone/BabbleLib-Zone.lua): BabbleLib - updated BabbleLib-Zone to 1.2 |
| 05:27.38 | ckknight | no, English is default |
| 05:27.50 | Tekkub | fine! |
| 05:28.01 | ckknight | need to test that |
| 05:28.03 | Tekkub | not like it's something I'd ever need anyway :) |
| 05:28.06 | ckknight | but it should theoretically work |
| 05:28.27 | ckknight | it's also faster for enUS than it is for the furriners, cause the function is actually different |
| 05:28.30 | ckknight | hehe |
| 05:28.41 | Tekkub | but yea, a consistant locale manager that uses minimal memory would kick ass |
| 05:28.47 | ckknight | yea |
| 05:28.55 | ckknight | this should actually take up less memory than 1.1 |
| 05:28.59 | ckknight | cause you don't have the capped strings |
| 05:30.09 | Tekkub | yea |
| 05:30.28 | Tekkub | well I mean, the english locales are essentially indexes anyway |
| 05:30.35 | ckknight | yea |
| 05:30.41 | Tekkub | why not use em for indexes in the first place? :) |
| 05:31.01 | ckknight | I did cause of legacy reasons cause it was originally just the class module (in FuBarUtils) |
| 05:31.09 | ckknight | so WARLOCK -> Hexenmeister |
| 05:31.50 | ckknight | I also think I should supply a curry so that people can do: |
| 05:32.09 | ckknight | local Z = babbleZone:GetCurry() |
| 05:32.15 | ckknight | Z"The Barrens" |
| 05:32.28 | ckknight | and it'd just happily translate |
| 05:32.41 | ckknight | also, I could just have a metamethod |
| 05:32.50 | ckknight | you can have a table be called with a metamethod, right? |
| 05:33.03 | ckknight | eep, bug in my boss code |
| 05:33.31 | Tekkub | no idea |
| 05:33.42 | kergoth | __call |
| 05:33.46 | Tekkub | hey wanna see something cool? |
| 05:34.07 | ckknight | sure |
| 05:34.10 | ckknight | thanks, kergoth |
| 05:34.24 | ckknight | so you should be able to do local Z = BabbleLib:GetInstance("Zone 1.2") |
| 05:34.28 | ckknight | Z"The Barrens" |
| 05:34.53 | Tekkub | compost stats: New:268 | Recycled: 24243 | Main Cache: 6 | Secondary cache: 0 | Max cache: 170 | Tables erased: 77105 | Mem saved: 1881 KiB | Tables lost to GC: 0 |
| 05:35.00 | Thiana | Is there an event which fires when a new tradeskill is added? Not just the generic gained a point in a skill |
| 05:35.00 | Tekkub | *grin* |
| 05:35.06 | Tekkub | I love recycling tables |
| 05:35.12 | CIA-17 | 03ckknight 07Boss * r2379 10BabbleLib-1.2/BabbleLib-Boss.lua: BabbleLib - fixed typo in Boss module. |
| 05:35.20 | Tekkub | I've not been doing much since last reloadui either |
| 05:36.27 | CIA-17 | 03ckknight * r2380 10BabbleLib/Boss/BabbleLib-Boss.lua: BabbleLib - fixed typo in Boss module |
| 05:38.16 | CIA-17 | 03ckknight 07Zone * r2381 10BabbleLib-1.2/BabbleLib-Zone.lua: BabbleLib - fixed _ALT typo in Zone module. |
| 05:44.01 | CIA-17 | 03thiana * r2382 10FuBar_tcgTradeskills/ (Core.lua FuBar_tcgTradeskills.toc): |
| 05:44.01 | CIA-17 | FuBar_tcgTradeskills: |
| 05:44.01 | CIA-17 | * Added First Aid |
| 05:44.01 | CIA-17 | * Added buttons for Smelting/First Aid |
| 05:44.01 | CIA-17 | * Turn off debug by default |
| 05:44.01 | CIA-17 | * Adapt button size to bar height |
| 05:44.03 | CIA-17 | * Sort skills in tooltip |
| 05:44.49 | CIA-17 | 03ckknight * r2383 10/branches/BabbleLib-1.2/ (API.html Zone/BabbleLib-Zone.lua): |
| 05:44.49 | CIA-17 | BabbleLib - added __call to Zone module. |
| 05:44.49 | CIA-17 | local Z = BabbleLib:GetInstance("Zone 1.2") |
| 05:44.49 | CIA-17 | Z"The Barrens" == "Das Brachland" -- happy lua goodness |
| 05:45.10 | ckknight | will you deny that that is pretty cool? |
| 05:45.17 | ckknight | will you? |
| 05:45.19 | ckknight | thought not. |
| 05:45.23 | ckknight | biyatch |
| 05:45.29 | Thiana | Now we need S/etc for spells bosses... |
| 05:45.33 | ckknight | right, Thiana |
| 05:45.35 | ckknight | I will |
| 05:45.40 | ckknight | that's the plan |
| 05:46.33 | CIA-17 | 03ckknight * r2384 10/tags/BabbleLib-1.1/: Tagged BabbleLib at 1.1 |
| 05:47.08 | ckknight | spells will be a bitch |
| 05:47.14 | ckknight | gonna do Boss next |
| 05:47.15 | ckknight | nah |
| 05:47.16 | ckknight | Class |
| 05:47.17 | ckknight | that's easy |
| 05:58.13 | Tekkub | okey sleepytime |
| 05:58.18 | Tekkub | buhbye! |
| 05:59.59 | ckknight | cya |
| 06:01.44 | Wobin | hm |
| 06:01.59 | Wobin | you could probably simulate a switch case functionailty with __call |
| 06:04.40 | kergoth | Wobin, there are a lot of ways to emulate switch/case. see the wiki page on lua-users.org on the subject |
| 06:04.51 | Wobin | yeah =) |
| 06:05.00 | Wobin | I'm happy with a table of functions, myself |
| 06:05.06 | Wobin | just being academic about it |
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| 06:19.02 | *** mode/#wowace [+o MoonWolf] by ChanServ |
| 06:31.11 | CIA-17 | 03ckknight * r2385 10/branches/BabbleLib-1.2/ (API.html Class/BabbleLib-Class.lua Zone/BabbleLib-Zone.lua): |
| 06:31.11 | CIA-17 | BabbleLib - updated BabbleLib-Class to 1.2. |
| 06:31.11 | CIA-17 | Added __call to BabbleLib-Class |
| 06:31.11 | CIA-17 | local C = BabbleLib:GetInstance("Class 1.2") |
| 06:31.11 | CIA-17 | C"Warlock" == "Hexenmeister" |
| 06:49.55 | CIA-17 | 03ckknight * r2386 10/branches/BabbleLib-1.2/ (4 files in 4 dirs): |
| 06:49.55 | CIA-17 | BabbleLib - updated BabbleLib-SpellTree to 1.2. |
| 06:49.55 | CIA-17 | Added __call to BabbleLib-SpellTree |
| 06:49.55 | CIA-17 | local T = BabbleLib:GetInstance("SpellTree 1.2") |
| 06:49.55 | CIA-17 | T"Restoration" == "Wiederherstellung" |
| 06:52.52 | CIA-17 | 03ckknight 07SpellTree * r2387 10BabbleLib-1.2/BabbleLib-SpellTree.lua: BabbleLib - changed version to 1.2 (whoops) |
| 07:07.17 | CIA-17 | 03ckknight * r2388 10/branches/BabbleLib-1.2/ (3 files in 3 dirs): |
| 07:07.17 | CIA-17 | BabbleLib - updated BabbleLib-Race to 1.2. |
| 07:07.17 | CIA-17 | Added __call to BabbleLib-Race |
| 07:07.17 | CIA-17 | local R = BabbleLib:GetInstance("Race 1.2") |
| 07:07.17 | CIA-17 | R"Dwarves" == "Zwerge" |
| 07:12.09 | CIA-17 | 03ckknight * r2389 10/branches/BabbleLib-1.2/ (4 files in 4 dirs): BabbleLib - now explicity catch unknown translations on use (not on initialize) |
| 07:16.36 | phyber | Tem: Re: X-Men. I think it's not a permanent thing. like when you go near the kid. those lab guys probably just boosted it's power a bit and throught they made a cure. They just increased the duration of the debuff is all ;) |
| 07:17.11 | Wobin | rofl |
| 07:17.17 | Wobin | way to make it into a WoW reference =P |
| 07:17.28 | Wobin | Leech has a pally aura! |
| 07:17.36 | Wobin | (with set bonuses) |
| 07:17.56 | Elkano | btw: anyone of you had a look at the text on InventoryLib I had written on wowi? |
| 07:20.12 | phyber | :) |
| 07:20.34 | Wobin | link it? |
| 07:22.01 | ckknight | hey, the wow reference makes sense |
| 07:22.05 | Elkano | s/InventoryLib/HiveMindLib/ |
| 07:22.06 | ckknight | don't knock it when it works |
| 07:22.08 | Elkano | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5010 |
| 07:22.29 | CIA-17 | 03wobin * r2390 10MrPlow/MrPlow.lua: MrPlow - Fixed a bag ignore error |
| 07:22.50 | Wobin | oh completely differnt =P |
| 07:22.58 | ckknight | Elkano, the problem with server-wide stuff is lag |
| 07:23.52 | Elkano | ckknight, the idea behind that lib is putting some code from DistChat into a lib ^^ |
| 07:24.04 | ckknight | what's DistChat? |
| 07:24.12 | Elkano | so the basic code behind it is already working |
| 07:24.36 | Elkano | DistChat is part of my ItemDB used to propagate items between clients |
| 07:25.24 | ckknight | hrm |
| 07:25.25 | ckknight | okay |
| 07:25.27 | Elkano | so HiveMindLib could be used in those RPG addons or with CTA |
| 07:27.51 | ckknight | yea |
| 07:28.21 | ckknight | you could later make it work on a per-zone/raid/guild |
| 07:28.24 | ckknight | deal |
| 07:29.17 | ckknight | though nobody does by zone |
| 07:30.48 | Wobin | hrm |
| 07:30.49 | Elkano | well, raid/guild would need that all players in there use the addon in order to not spam them. |
| 07:30.53 | Wobin | problems I foresee |
| 07:31.18 | Wobin | If you're sending security conscoius info through a single channel |
| 07:31.27 | Wobin | like guild info |
| 07:31.35 | Wobin | doesn't that mean someone can snoop? |
| 07:31.37 | Elkano | maybe add support for user/addon specified channels but the main purpose is having only one channel :/ |
| 07:31.57 | Wobin | Although the whisper method would fix that |
| 07:32.30 | Wobin | unless somone phreaks the trigger code |
| 07:33.13 | Elkano | wobin, it's meant for public information but you could use the cats to specify some kind of subchannel and then encrypt the data |
| 07:33.43 | Elkano | but that would be application/addon layer so no need for the lib to take care of |
| 07:33.49 | Wobin | yeah |
| 07:34.02 | Wobin | communication layer shouldn't worry about that |
| 07:34.19 | Elkano | having an examn on data networks tomorrow ^^ |
| 07:35.29 | CIA-17 | 03wobin * r2391 10MrPlow/ (MrPlow.lua MrPlow.toc): MrPlow - Updated Version number |
| 07:35.49 | Wobin | hehe good luck! |
| 07:37.33 | Elkano | I'll need it ;) wonder how the examn on crypto went last week... still no results online :/ |
| 07:38.50 | Wobin | Sure they are |
| 07:38.59 | Wobin | You just have to decrypt them =P |
| 07:40.43 | MoonWolf | Hehe |
| 07:40.53 | MoonWolf | to get your crypto grade, decrypt this file! |
| 07:41.24 | MoonWolf | and for cyber forensics |
| 07:41.44 | Elkano | "hey, the file only said 'just kidding' after decrypto :(" |
| 07:42.07 | MoonWolf | to get your grade, find the encryption method and then somehow decrypt this file without any key' s to find your grade. |
| 07:43.03 | Elkano | "looks like one-time pad, but I hope it will turn out as two-time pad..." ;) |
| 07:43.42 | MoonWolf | and to be a big bastard |
| 07:43.51 | MoonWolf | encrypt the file with something easy and silly |
| 07:44.13 | Wobin | "U FAIL IT" |
| 07:44.14 | MoonWolf | like redshirt |
| 07:44.40 | Wobin | PS Happy Evil Day, everyone |
| 07:44.42 | Elkano | ROT-13 ;) |
| 07:44.58 | MoonWolf | oh yeah |
| 07:45.14 | MoonWolf | thousands of christians are praying today to stop the devil from taking over the world |
| 07:45.50 | Wobin | *facepalm* |
| 07:46.05 | Elkano | they are doomed to fail :P |
| 07:46.18 | Wobin | Especially today of all days |
| 07:46.23 | Wobin | I mean... it's a TUESDAY |
| 07:47.05 | MoonWolf | hehe |
| 07:47.53 | MoonWolf | support your local satanist cult, write 6 6 6 in bloodred paint(waterbase ofcourse) on christian doors. |
| 07:48.44 | Wobin | Didn't Moses do that already? =P |
| 07:49.01 | Wobin | And -he- used goats bloood even |
| 07:49.12 | Wobin | Angel of Death, my arse. |
| 07:49.16 | MoonWolf | hehe |
| 07:49.44 | MoonWolf | we could sacrifice a black rooster at every door. |
| 07:49.51 | MoonWolf | damn black roosters are rare though |
| 07:50.23 | Wobin | That's more vodoun |
| 07:50.42 | Wobin | Baron Samdhi et al |
| 07:50.49 | Elkano | hmm... it's 6.6.6 and 1.11 coming out in US... so 1.11 is 1/6 of evil ;) |
| 07:50.56 | MoonWolf | hehe |
| 07:50.57 | Wobin | Diet Evil |
| 07:51.01 | Wobin | Not evil enough =P |
| 07:51.04 | MoonWolf | Evil LIGHT. |
| 07:51.13 | Wobin | Only one calorie |
| 07:51.23 | Wobin | PS eepybird.com |
| 07:51.45 | Elkano | -> http://www.3dsupply.de/3d/img/produkte/00000587.jpg ;) |
| 07:52.10 | MoonWolf | actually |
| 07:52.36 | Wobin | 668 - Neighbour of the beast |
| 07:52.38 | MoonWolf | as far as i know, an old way to summon the devil was to sacrifice a rooster at midnight full moon on a 13 exit crossway. |
| 07:52.48 | Wobin | That's a whole lot of exit |
| 07:53.10 | MoonWolf | oh yes |
| 07:53.18 | Elkano | you could also simply call it's name three times... |
| 07:53.31 | Wobin | Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice! |
| 07:53.44 | MoonWolf | if you do that he comes to pick you up in a big black carriage with nightmares pulling it |
| 07:53.51 | Wobin | woohoo! |
| 07:53.56 | Wobin | "Going somewhere, handsome?" |
| 07:53.57 | MoonWolf | today he would have a big limo i guess. |
| 07:54.08 | Wobin | Will he drive me to work? |
| 07:54.12 | MoonWolf | with neon flames on the side. |
| 07:54.20 | Wobin | Racing stripes |
| 07:54.21 | Wobin | no doubt |
| 07:54.27 | MoonWolf | Wobin, no, but he will take a contract for your soul. |
| 07:54.36 | Wobin | Well I am a contractor |
| 07:55.14 | Wobin | Don't you have to recite the lord's prayer backwards as well, or something into a mirror? |
| 07:55.43 | *** join/#wowace Beetlejuice (i=Elkano@client0544.vpn.uni-saarland.de) |
| 07:55.52 | Beetlejuice | you called? |
| 07:55.56 | Wobin | oh dear |
| 07:56.04 | Wobin | namestamps =P |
| 07:56.11 | MoonWolf | hehe |
| 07:56.17 | Beetlejuice | ^^ |
| 07:56.18 | MoonWolf | good try elk |
| 07:56.54 | Beetlejuice | not that good: -NickServ- This nickname is owned by someone else |
| 07:57.01 | MoonWolf | hey, you route through a german uni ? |
| 07:57.04 | Industrial | 060606 \o/ |
| 07:57.16 | Industrial | my sister's birthday |
| 07:57.18 | Industrial | ;P |
| 07:57.33 | MoonWolf | Industrial, your sister is, the antichrist! |
| 07:57.34 | Elkano | well, not routing, I'm sitting there |
| 07:57.55 | MoonWolf | i though you said you were somewhere more north ? like danish or norwegian ? |
| 07:58.05 | Elkano | nope |
| 07:58.07 | Wobin | What has she turned, Ind? |
| 07:58.15 | Industrial | 16 :P |
| 07:58.17 | Wobin | if you say 21, then she really is =) |
| 07:58.19 | Wobin | oh |
| 07:58.21 | Wobin | Close enough |
| 07:58.26 | Industrial | http://img70.imageshack.us/img70/3672/6bd97f2hp.jpg |
| 07:58.27 | MoonWolf | there is a 6 in it! |
| 07:58.28 | Industrial | kek |
| 07:58.39 | Wobin | It's a good enough milestone to fudge it =) |
| 07:58.39 | MoonWolf | great |
| 07:58.41 | Industrial | hah this morening there were singing african people everywhere |
| 07:58.47 | Industrial | morning* |
| 07:58.54 | Wobin | Singing what? |
| 07:59.06 | MoonWolf | christians all over the world are praying to prevent the devil from taking all controll |
| 07:59.08 | Industrial | praying marathon >_> |
| 07:59.16 | MoonWolf | i say, we attack iran right now! |
| 07:59.20 | Wobin | Damn those Tuesdays |
| 07:59.27 | Wobin | I say we should abolish Tuesday |
| 07:59.33 | Wobin | That way the Devil can NEVER take over |
| 07:59.36 | Industrial | tuesdays suck |
| 07:59.50 | MoonWolf | Wobin, like having the devil take over would make a diffrence |
| 07:59.58 | Industrial | its not monday but not friday either - so tuesdays suck |
| 08:00.01 | MoonWolf | people would still bitch about the gouverment. |
| 08:00.29 | Industrial | devil, psh |
| 08:02.18 | MoonWolf | people are yust stupid |
| 08:02.33 | MoonWolf | the whole damn calender was inventid by people |
| 08:02.40 | MoonWolf | by romans even |
| 08:02.42 | Wobin | Nono |
| 08:02.45 | MoonWolf | it hold no christian value |
| 08:02.46 | Wobin | INFLUENCED by the devil |
| 08:02.59 | Wobin | just to have a calender where 6/6/06 is possible |
| 08:03.02 | Wobin | So he can take over |
| 08:03.03 | Wobin | see? |
| 08:03.28 | Industrial | like the romans had a satan :P |
| 08:03.45 | Wobin | um |
| 08:03.47 | Wobin | Pluto |
| 08:03.47 | Industrial | chirstianity is based on this little paper |
| 08:03.48 | Industrial | its like |
| 08:03.52 | Industrial | you get it |
| 08:03.54 | Industrial | and read it |
| 08:04.03 | Industrial | then you write some stuff at the end |
| 08:04.05 | Industrial | and pass it on |
| 08:04.35 | Wobin | nah |
| 08:04.38 | Industrial | and then you all go haleluja and you have the right to kill other people |
| 08:04.41 | Wobin | most of the time you jus skim it |
| 08:04.49 | Wobin | reading is for pussies |
| 08:05.05 | Wobin | if there was anything you might have missed, God would have told you |
| 08:05.50 | Industrial | ;P |
| 08:08.02 | ckknight | Industrial, convert to my religion |
| 08:08.06 | ckknight | it's like religion |
| 08:08.08 | ckknight | but without god |
| 08:08.25 | ckknight | and we're actually playing an MMORPG |
| 08:11.40 | ckknight | I know you want to |
| 08:17.29 | Hakker | uhm it's my bday too...that might explain the horns on my head |
| 08:18.02 | ckknight | ... |
| 08:19.35 | Industrial | Hakker: thats just because you play warlock |
| 08:20.03 | Industrial | ckknight: Yea I really like that religion. lazst weekend i did nothing but wow :P |
| 08:20.18 | ckknight | lol |
| 08:20.25 | Industrial | Every monday morning I ask my colleague what he did |
| 08:20.26 | ckknight | the religion doesn't really have anything to do with WoW per se |
| 08:20.29 | Industrial | and he asks me too |
| 08:20.29 | Hakker | uhm no I mainly play warrior |
| 08:20.33 | Industrial | and i just say 'wow' |
| 08:20.54 | Hakker | lol |
| 08:21.00 | Hakker | and he understands it? |
| 08:21.07 | Industrial | yes he thinks wow sucks |
| 08:21.25 | Industrial | 'ooo a little dude walking around, fuck that' |
| 08:21.30 | Industrial | :P |
| 08:21.35 | Hakker | what does he say then? 'ajax'? |
| 08:21.59 | Industrial | he does like fifa soccer games T_T |
| 08:22.26 | Hakker | more like puking in the arena ;) |
| 08:23.51 | Industrial | ? :p |
| 08:24.53 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgeWh3iqo1o |
| 08:24.58 | Wobin | indie, you'll like that one |
| 08:25.02 | Hakker | I meant more in the way if he goes to ajax ;) |
| 08:25.22 | Wobin | production value is a little low, but it's amusing |
| 08:27.10 | Wobin | hehe |
| 08:27.19 | Wobin | The fat russian dude is using his BO as deadly weapon =P |
| 08:27.29 | Wobin | That's worse than some badly staged Aikido presentations =P |
| 08:29.06 | Industrial | no sound here :( |
| 08:29.09 | Industrial | (work) |
| 08:29.13 | Industrial | *bookmark* |
| 08:31.09 | Wobin | no sound required |
| 08:31.11 | CIA-17 | 03ckknight * r2392 10/branches/BabbleLib-1.2/ (8 files in 8 dirs): |
| 08:31.11 | CIA-17 | BabbleLib - updated Spell module to 1.2 |
| 08:31.11 | CIA-17 | Added library assert function. |
| 08:31.16 | Wobin | They used a Monty Python soundtrack =P |
| 08:31.26 | MoonWolf | lol at martial art youtube |
| 08:31.33 | ckknight | well |
| 08:31.37 | ckknight | BabbleLib is all updated, it seems |
| 08:32.08 | ckknight | I think I'm gonna rename core to just deformat |
| 08:32.13 | ckknight | that's all it contains |
| 08:35.32 | Hakker | lol that russian dude uses what mind control ? ;) |
| 08:36.47 | MoonWolf | i'd like to see some full speed escrima |
| 08:37.26 | Elkano | worst place to be on 6.6.06 -> /b/ |
| 08:38.05 | Hakker | uhm WSG as alliance probably |
| 08:38.09 | Hakker | ;) |
| 08:38.21 | Hakker | oh wait that's everyday :P |
| 08:38.27 | MoonWolf | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:38.33 | Elkano | -> http://dat.4chan.org/b/src/1149582949958.gif |
| 08:38.52 | [Ammo] | I've trained with the big fat russian guy :) |
| 08:38.56 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VM1cfEMk_NE |
| 08:38.57 | [Ammo] | that guy is sick |
| 08:39.31 | MoonWolf | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGD-NNc-r74&search=escrima <- this be some kickass martial arts |
| 08:39.40 | [Ammo] | and the other smaller russian guy is his teacher |
| 08:41.06 | [Ammo] | there's a lot more systema videos online |
| 08:42.06 | MoonWolf | i dont think systema has any real fighting value |
| 08:42.47 | Industrial | puh-leeeze |
| 08:43.18 | MoonWolf | unless i can see some video' s where the openent isnt actually trying to be defeated. |
| 08:43.20 | Industrial | making people train martial arts other then whats effective in the ring mesna you are teaching them to dance stupid steps |
| 08:43.34 | MoonWolf | they arnt even passive they actually help being defeated. |
| 08:43.35 | Industrial | s/mesna/means/ |
| 08:44.46 | Industrial | and even with ring-sports you see that the most basic offense/defense pays off as being more effective |
| 08:45.09 | Industrial | basic stance, takeovers jabs and back into stance |
| 08:45.19 | Industrial | all you need |
| 08:45.20 | Industrial | :) |
| 08:45.56 | Industrial | 'look we can hit eachothers sticks' <-- it even sounds gay |
| 08:46.14 | Wobin | I'd call that escrima exercise nothing more than that |
| 08:46.16 | Wobin | an exercise |
| 08:46.24 | Wobin | to develop hand eye coordination |
| 08:46.38 | Wobin | it's not meant to be a serious attack method |
| 08:46.54 | Wobin | but it doesn't mean you can't apply what you learn to be an attack |
| 08:46.55 | MoonWolf | ofcourse not. |
| 08:47.24 | MoonWolf | but someone who can attack and counter at that speed is going to be able to give you a hell of a fight in a ring. |
| 08:47.31 | Wobin | It's pretty damn effective, really, one stick to deflect, the other to strike |
| 08:47.41 | Wobin | of course =) |
| 08:47.55 | Wobin | That's why you'd want to get the muscle memory down right |
| 08:47.57 | MoonWolf | yeah im a fan of two weapons sports or poles/spears. |
| 08:48.15 | Wobin | as long as you can move your weapons quickly without tangling yourself up, that's what counts =) |
| 08:48.43 | MoonWolf | there was a time when if there was a martial art school in my neighbourhood that could teach me something about weapons of those kinds i would join instantly |
| 08:48.50 | MoonWolf | not today though |
| 08:48.52 | MoonWolf | to lazy |
| 08:49.04 | Wobin | hehe |
| 08:49.08 | Wobin | Very much the same |
| 08:49.19 | Wobin | Although I'll probablys start back up on Aikido when I get home |
| 08:49.26 | Wobin | since I have a friend who can motivate me to come along |
| 08:50.20 | MoonWolf | to bad there is no weapons in aikido. the rest of the sport is pretty cool |
| 08:50.33 | MoonWolf | but mt 3 years of judo are most likely making me think that. |
| 08:50.44 | MoonWolf | i had to quit that at 12 because we moved though |
| 08:50.59 | ckknight | anyone speak French? |
| 08:51.06 | Wobin | Sure there is |
| 08:51.10 | Wobin | Jo and bokken |
| 08:51.22 | Wobin | Plenty of weapon work |
| 08:51.45 | MoonWolf | what types ? |
| 08:51.57 | Wobin | Watching someone throw the uke with a jo is great to see =) |
| 08:52.24 | Wobin | Short staff and bokken mostly |
| 08:52.53 | MoonWolf | bokken eeuh wasnt that a sword ? |
| 08:53.05 | Wobin | It's the practice wooden sword |
| 08:53.09 | MoonWolf | yeah |
| 08:53.28 | Wobin | nor I really. |
| 08:53.34 | MoonWolf | unless i get two of them |
| 08:53.35 | Wobin | But the shortstaff is fun |
| 08:54.51 | MoonWolf | not that it is actually that "short" |
| 08:55.08 | Hakker | pwning in AV with asscandy is good enough for me |
| 08:56.26 | Industrial | The longswird is the mightiest weapon :P |
| 08:56.39 | Industrial | s/ir/or/ |
| 08:56.59 | MoonWolf | the longsword isnt a fighting weapon. |
| 08:58.06 | Industrial | -__^ |
| 08:58.31 | Hakker | but I really want Dark Edge of Insanity since i'm axe specced... too bad werenot at C'Thun yet :( |
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| 08:58.37 | Wobin | well... short is relative to the bo =) |
| 09:00.07 | Hakker | as for real life fighting weapons I would just say short sticks |
| 09:00.31 | Industrial | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zweihänder |
| 09:00.34 | Industrial | ouchie :D |
| 09:03.05 | MoonWolf | you better hit the person you are swinging that thing at or your dead. |
| 09:03.30 | Wobin | And if they step to the side =P Since they're not, like, you'know, wearing full plate armour... you're going to miss =P |
| 09:04.14 | MoonWolf | not if you have cleave! |
| 09:04.48 | Wobin | short sticks are handy |
| 09:05.01 | Wobin | and usually easy to simulate one way or another |
| 09:06.11 | MoonWolf | oh yeah |
| 09:06.27 | MoonWolf | anybody who can fight with short sticks is bound to find on or two in a battlefield of any kind. |
| 09:07.41 | Wobin | even rolled up magazines =P |
| 09:07.46 | Wobin | ala Bourne ID |
| 09:07.53 | MoonWolf | hehe |
| 09:08.22 | MoonWolf | heh, if you can fight with sticks a decent size knife can make you deadly. |
| 09:08.36 | MoonWolf | its not really good for fighting, but an untrained oponent wont stand a chance |
| 09:08.41 | Wobin | or two decent sized knives =) |
| 09:08.53 | Wobin | slice 'n' dice |
| 09:08.59 | MoonWolf | yeah |
| 09:09.28 | MoonWolf | thats why i make sure i have at least one knife or sticklike utility in any place around the house |
| 09:09.31 | MoonWolf | call me paranoid |
| 09:09.37 | MoonWolf | i know im not that good with them. |
| 09:09.40 | MoonWolf | but i can hurt you |
| 09:09.50 | Wobin | chances are you'll be good enough |
| 09:10.21 | MoonWolf | and most people dont charge someone weighing a 120 kg holding a metal stave or one or two knives. |
| 09:10.38 | MoonWolf | even if i dont have a weapon, a simply striaght blow will knock the air out of you. |
| 09:14.24 | ckknight | hrm |
| 09:14.38 | ckknight | you weigh like over twice as much as me |
| 09:14.52 | MoonWolf | hehe |
| 09:15.12 | MoonWolf | trust me, i know im a bit fat around the stomache, but its not as bad as it sounds. |
| 09:15.28 | ckknight | yea, I'm underweight |
| 09:15.45 | Industrial | I'm 1.80 meters long and I weigh 84kg |
| 09:15.59 | Industrial | (semi heavyweight) |
| 09:16.10 | Industrial | but im not fat :-) |
| 09:16.53 | ckknight | featherweight here ;-) |
| 09:16.59 | ckknight | 55 kg |
| 09:17.00 | Industrial | :D |
| 09:18.01 | [Ammo] | Moonwolf: systema has real fighting value |
| 09:18.07 | MoonWolf | heh, if i puch ckknight full force, id throw him back a meter i think. |
| 09:18.08 | [Ammo] | all the stuff they do is employed by the Spetznaz |
| 09:18.12 | MoonWolf | ah |
| 09:18.16 | ckknight | MoonWolf, don't doubt it |
| 09:18.31 | [Ammo] | but during training you don't want to break your pupils :) |
| 09:18.48 | [Ammo] | trust me when the big dude hits you (even as 'soft' as he does in the videos) it hurts |
| 09:18.55 | Wobin | I weigh that much too =P |
| 09:19.00 | MoonWolf | i just looks silly like that and you get no idea how effective it really is |
| 09:19.08 | MoonWolf | because it looks totally constructed. |
| 09:19.25 | [Ammo] | yeah but the videos you saw are training videos as well |
| 09:19.26 | Wobin | I guess it's hard to effectively show how it works remotely |
| 09:19.30 | [Ammo] | you can buy the tapes :) |
| 09:19.40 | [Ammo] | you have to feel it |
| 09:19.51 | [Ammo] | when he punches you he holds back, but he does punch you and you want to get away from the punch :p |
| 09:20.07 | MoonWolf | everybody holds back when they puch. |
| 09:20.11 | MoonWolf | punch* |
| 09:20.16 | MoonWolf | or kick. |
| 09:20.17 | Wobin | unless they've got nothing to lose =P |
| 09:20.21 | [Ammo] | indeed |
| 09:20.34 | [Ammo] | but it's damn effective |
| 09:20.34 | MoonWolf | a person REALLY going full force, any person. is damn scary |
| 09:20.44 | Wobin | yeah |
| 09:20.52 | Wobin | skilled or unskilled |
| 09:20.56 | MoonWolf | indeed |
| 09:21.02 | [Ammo] | systema is ninjutsu combined with european style |
| 09:21.16 | [Ammo] | because the european body isn't made like the japanese one |
| 09:21.23 | MoonWolf | hehe |
| 09:21.25 | Wobin | I've always been a bit doubtful on ninjitsu |
| 09:21.30 | MoonWolf | europians have a bit more mass to work with. |
| 09:21.33 | [Ammo] | don't be doubtful :) |
| 09:21.37 | [Ammo] | the stuff works |
| 09:21.41 | [Ammo] | I've trained 4 years |
| 09:21.48 | Wobin | hehe That russian guy certainly isn't the standard asian bodytype =P |
| 09:21.53 | MoonWolf | hehe |
| 09:21.56 | [Ammo] | both European martial arts and Ninjutsu |
| 09:22.10 | [Ammo] | check out some videos from Hatsumi |
| 09:22.15 | [Ammo] | and then tell me it doesn't work :) |
| 09:22.19 | MoonWolf | so we know europians martial arts, asian ones, russians ones, southg american ones. |
| 09:22.30 | MoonWolf | is there any native or recent north americna martial arts ? |
| 09:22.33 | ckknight | see, my best natural weapons aren't in tune with my weight, I have to use my elbows, other joints, or teeth to fight with |
| 09:22.43 | Wobin | capoiera? |
| 09:22.47 | [Ammo] | I'm tall with long arms so I abuse that |
| 09:22.49 | Industrial | MoonWolf: swing my indian axe at you? |
| 09:22.50 | MoonWolf | thats would be south american. |
| 09:22.51 | Industrial | :P |
| 09:22.58 | Wobin | yeh =p |
| 09:23.01 | ckknight | [Ammo], yep, same here |
| 09:23.04 | ckknight | I'm pretty bony |
| 09:23.05 | [Ammo] | but someone like me is easily taken down by going for the knee |
| 09:23.08 | Wobin | surprise! |
| 09:23.12 | ckknight | yep |
| 09:23.21 | MoonWolf | flimsey nerdy guys. |
| 09:23.21 | Wobin | Surprise is one of our three... three main weapons! |
| 09:23.21 | ckknight | my shins *whimper* |
| 09:23.23 | MoonWolf | all of you.. |
| 09:23.31 | ckknight | MoonWolf, I can't help it, body type |
| 09:23.32 | [Ammo] | I'm not flimsy |
| 09:23.38 | [Ammo] | I'm 192cm and weight 90kg |
| 09:23.39 | ckknight | Endomorph here |
| 09:23.47 | Industrial | I still think thai boxing is most effective - at one on one anyway |
| 09:23.51 | [Ammo] | s/weight/weigh/ |
| 09:24.05 | [Ammo] | depends industrial |
| 09:24.06 | ckknight | 180cm 55kg ;-) |
| 09:24.07 | Wobin | I'd possibly have to agree with you Indy |
| 09:24.15 | Wobin | one on one unarmed |
| 09:24.21 | Industrial | Wobin: yes |
| 09:24.23 | MoonWolf | im 2 cms heigher and 120 kg [Ammo] |
| 09:24.27 | Wobin | mostly cause the thai kickboxers are scary scary scary people |
| 09:24.31 | Industrial | ;p |
| 09:24.33 | [Ammo] | just get in their face |
| 09:24.35 | [Ammo] | and they can't kick you |
| 09:24.41 | Wobin | oh, but they can |
| 09:24.49 | Wobin | but it's not the kicks you have to worry about |
| 09:24.49 | Industrial | they love to clinch, [Ammo] |
| 09:24.50 | ckknight | see, my solution to fighting is paying someone else to fight |
| 09:24.50 | MoonWolf | they can headbut and use their arms pretty damn well too |
| 09:24.52 | Wobin | it's the shin to the face |
| 09:24.52 | [Ammo] | you might eat a kick but then you're smacking their face into a bloody pulp :) |
| 09:24.56 | ckknight | works every time |
| 09:25.15 | Industrial | ckknight: lol |
| 09:25.35 | Industrial | MoonWolf: europeans are better with arms tho |
| 09:25.36 | MoonWolf | my solution to that is to pay more, and then beat you two on one! |
| 09:25.37 | Wobin | [Ammo]: You'd have to watch a full on illegal muay thai fight to see how effective it is =) |
| 09:25.48 | [Ammo] | oh I'm not saying it's not effective |
| 09:25.55 | ckknight | MoonWolf, oh yea, I'll pay even more to hire an assassin |
| 09:25.57 | ckknight | beat that |
| 09:26.07 | MoonWolf | damnit |
| 09:26.11 | ckknight | or I could just buy a gun myself |
| 09:26.11 | [Ammo] | and yes those guys are scary |
| 09:26.16 | Wobin | Actually, the reason why boxing is so effective, is that it takes time for people to adapt |
| 09:26.21 | MoonWolf | guns are for cheaters. |
| 09:26.25 | MoonWolf | at least use something cool |
| 09:26.28 | MoonWolf | like a crossbow. |
| 09:26.34 | Wobin | and if you're fast on your feet, you can outbox them before they do that |
| 09:26.39 | [Ammo] | I prefer a two handed sword myself |
| 09:26.46 | [Ammo] | at least I know how to handle that |
| 09:28.01 | MoonWolf | sloow |
| 09:28.13 | [Ammo] | naah |
| 09:28.22 | MoonWolf | if you miss your first hit a boxer is has already won. |
| 09:28.26 | [Ammo] | nope |
| 09:28.28 | ckknight | actually my preferred method is 6mm copper wire |
| 09:28.37 | ckknight | it takes 2 and a half minutes to strangle someone with that, though |
| 09:28.42 | [Ammo] | haha |
| 09:28.49 | ckknight | still |
| 09:28.55 | Wobin | ckknight: make it red hot 6mm copper wire then |
| 09:28.58 | ckknight | during that time, you will achieve enlightenment |
| 09:29.00 | MoonWolf | make it 2mm and keep moving it in his neck. |
| 09:29.02 | Wobin | "Cuts like butter!" |
| 09:29.08 | [Ammo] | I think it all depends on the skill of the person involved |
| 09:29.15 | [Ammo] | as with everything |
| 09:29.23 | ckknight | if you make the murder last a while, then you can revel in what you're doing |
| 09:29.31 | ckknight | compared to firing a gun, half second decision |
| 09:29.45 | ckknight | with strangulation, you have to know and accept what you're doing for a whole 2.5 minutes |
| 09:29.46 | [Ammo] | shoot the stomach watch them cringe and squirm |
| 09:29.57 | ckknight | it's not about them, it's about you |
| 09:30.13 | Wobin | cut their stomach, pull out a handful of innards, tie them to a tree and kick them off a cliff |
| 09:30.31 | ckknight | Wobin, you don't seem to be getting the point of what I'm saying |
| 09:30.33 | [Ammo] | or take them to the top of a building and have a long lasting conversation with them make them think you can be persuaded not to kill them, and then shove em off |
| 09:30.35 | MoonWolf | cut out liver, roast it, let them EAT IT. |
| 09:30.39 | Wobin | hehe |
| 09:30.39 | ckknight | none of you could be near as good a sociopath as me |
| 09:30.46 | Wobin | Alas |
| 09:31.45 | Wobin | MoonWolf: Like the story of the people who came home and found their cat in a bathtub full of ice holding a sign saying "CALL THE VET" =P |
| 09:32.00 | MoonWolf | LOL |
| 09:32.05 | MoonWolf | no not like that. |
| 09:32.22 | MoonWolf | people who cut out kidneys or somehting like that wouldnt put you in a tub of ice to begin with |
| 09:32.22 | MoonWolf | idiots |
| 09:32.26 | ckknight | yea |
| 09:32.30 | MoonWolf | who propogates that stuff |
| 09:32.32 | ckknight | you'd be dead within a half hour |
| 09:32.43 | ckknight | and typically, you won't use American/Europeans anyway |
| 09:32.50 | Wobin | yucky livers |
| 09:32.53 | ckknight | get a poor girl from South America/Africa/India/Asia |
| 09:33.01 | ckknight | ship em over |
| 09:33.07 | Wobin | nah |
| 09:33.11 | ckknight | have an ambulance ready for surgery when they arrive |
| 09:33.12 | Wobin | just ship over the livers |
| 09:33.27 | Wobin | you can pack more into a crate =) |
| 09:33.50 | Wobin | Reminds me of The Island =) |
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| 09:35.18 | ckknight_ | blah |
| 09:35.22 | ckknight_ | what's the last thing I said? |
| 09:35.30 | ckknight_ | I was going into a rant |
| 09:35.36 | Wobin | <ckknight> have an ambulance ready for surgery when they arrive |
| 09:35.37 | Wobin | <Wobin> just ship over the livers |
| 09:35.37 | Wobin | <Wobin> you can pack more into a crate =) |
| 09:35.37 | Wobin | <Wobin> Reminds me of The Island =) |
| 09:35.49 | ckknight_ | then find a way to get rid of the body |
| 09:35.53 | ckknight_ | typically a mixture of lye and acid will work |
| 09:35.56 | ckknight_ | you may also want to grind up/cut up the body beforehand |
| 09:36.08 | Wobin | I hear a pack of pigs can deal with bodies well =) |
| 09:36.14 | Wobin | Dya lahk daghs? |
| 09:36.22 | ckknight_ | hehe |
| 09:40.05 | MoonWolf | why must people always use the hard way to get rid of a body ? |
| 09:41.28 | MoonWolf | Lye and acid, way to expensive. |
| 09:41.42 | Industrial | MoonWolf: do you know the weekly geenstijl.nl feauteauf*ck? People get to send in pictures of a topic from the week. http://olddump.gs.prolocation.net/mediabase/show.php?id=1379&check=336e00ad |
| 09:41.46 | Industrial | NVD |
| 09:41.48 | Industrial | :P |
| 09:42.09 | MoonWolf | lol |
| 09:42.29 | MoonWolf | ja : sex met minderjarigen, nee: wat nou nee |
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| 09:43.16 | Industrial | xD |
| 09:44.32 | MoonWolf | i hope someone feels the same urges as people had with pim. |
| 09:45.42 | Industrial | They made him leave his caravan btw |
| 09:45.47 | MoonWolf | good |
| 09:45.55 | MoonWolf | where does he live now ? |
| 09:46.03 | Industrial | nobody knows :P |
| 09:46.06 | Industrial | happened this weekend |
| 09:48.26 | MoonWolf | mmm |
| 09:48.57 | MoonWolf | maybe we can get some 12 years olds to play minigolf with his balls |
| 09:49.01 | MoonWolf | on the other hand |
| 09:49.06 | MoonWolf | he might have a fetish for that. |
| 09:50.06 | Industrial | :p |
| 09:51.36 | MoonWolf | really, if you happen to be attracted to underaged people, i feel for you, the world must be a terrible place, but the moment you act on those feelings I will stop feeling for you and start wanting to hurt you , a lot, for a looong time. |
| 09:51.57 | MoonWolf | and parties to legalize that stuff fall under the acting on it part for me. |
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| 09:55.18 | ckknight | blast |
| 09:55.22 | ckknight | what's the last thing I said? |
| 09:55.33 | Industrial | (11:36) < ckknight_> hehe |
| 09:55.46 | ckknight | yep |
| 09:55.50 | ckknight | pedophilia is a real condition, but unlike other sexual conditions, it requires someone who cannot give consent to partake in |
| 09:56.00 | ckknight | which is what makes it so unlike most other fetishes |
| 09:56.32 | ckknight | although bestiality is sorta similar in that respect |
| 09:56.53 | ckknight | when my brother went to Thailand he got in a cab, didn't know where to go |
| 09:57.05 | ckknight | so the driver said "Well, did you come here for the girls?" |
| 09:57.09 | ckknight | and he said "Yea" |
| 09:57.12 | *** topic/#wowace by MoonWolf -> wowace.com | ace.pastebin.com | http://www.lua.org/pil <-- READ IT | Everything works right up the point were it doesn't. |
| 09:57.27 | ckknight | and the driver said "Oh, how old? 7 years, 8 years?" |
| 09:57.34 | *** topic/#wowace by MoonWolf -> wowace.com | ace.pastebin.com | http://www.lua.org/pil <-- READ IT | Everything works right up to the point were it doesn't. |
| 09:57.41 | MoonWolf | and then he got out again / |
| 09:57.43 | MoonWolf | ?* |
| 09:57.48 | ckknight | yea |
| 09:57.57 | ckknight | It is a real issue, and it's not as uncommon as people would think |
| 09:58.04 | MoonWolf | yeah i know. |
| 09:58.18 | MoonWolf | i learned the hard way |
| 09:58.25 | ckknight | and because people have the condition and it's illegal to obtain, houses are set up for profit to let people fulfill their pleasures |
| 09:58.26 | ckknight | oh? |
| 09:58.47 | MoonWolf | dont ever do a search for a generic anime girl name on usenet and download anything ending with .avi because you can find out what it was later. |
| 09:59.10 | ckknight | oh |
| 09:59.11 | ckknight | yea |
| 09:59.15 | ckknight | yea you can |
| 09:59.26 | ckknight | typically asian is much more common than white |
| 09:59.47 | MoonWolf | i felt VERY sick after that. |
| 09:59.48 | ckknight | because of the cheapness of humanity over there |
| 09:59.54 | MoonWolf | and it was only one damn short movie. |
| 10:00.15 | MoonWolf | http://eatliver.com/i.php?n=1064 |
| 10:01.00 | ckknight | yea, the whole situation regarding that stuff is really strange |
| 10:01.11 | ckknight | I mean, the Greeks were into it and everything |
| 10:01.28 | ckknight | lol, MoonWolf |
| 10:01.58 | MoonWolf | ckknight, yeah, but i choose to forget that and only remeber the greek myth and folclore |
| 10:02.03 | MoonWolf | because they had a cool pantheon. |
| 10:02.11 | ckknight | hehe |
| 10:02.53 | ckknight | it's part of society, and ignoring it won't make it go away. Best thing we can do is either kill em all or put em through psychiatric care |
| 10:03.08 | ckknight | many people are in favor of the former |
| 10:03.12 | MoonWolf | http://eatliver.com/i.php?n=128 |
| 10:03.29 | MoonWolf | im in favor of making sure they dont do anything foolish and treating them as human beings. |
| 10:03.36 | MoonWolf | unless they do do something foolish |
| 10:03.41 | MoonWolf | and then we hurt them, a lot. |
| 10:03.43 | ckknight | also, if someone commits such an act, the recidivity rate is the highest of all crimes |
| 10:04.03 | ckknight | i.e. if they do it once, it's near-certain they'll do it again |
| 10:04.21 | MoonWolf | the problem is, you cant really treat it. |
| 10:04.43 | MoonWolf | most of them struggle their whole life to contain it, if they lose the fight once, most likely you will again. |
| 10:05.23 | ckknight | just like you can't cure homosexuality |
| 10:05.30 | ckknight | really all you can do is make em celibate |
| 10:05.45 | MoonWolf | yeah, but homosexuals (the sane ones) dont hurt children. |
| 10:05.49 | ckknight | oh yea |
| 10:05.54 | ckknight | but it's a proper analogy |
| 10:05.58 | MoonWolf | true. |
| 10:06.00 | ckknight | they're both sexual conditions |
| 10:06.18 | ckknight | homosexuality and heterosexuality are technically both conditions |
| 10:06.37 | MoonWolf | indeed with heterosexuality being in the majority, luckely |
| 10:06.41 | MoonWolf | or we would be extinct. |
| 10:07.03 | ckknight | if you couldn't for some reason have sex, through societal pressures, then all you could really do is not have sex at all |
| 10:07.24 | MoonWolf | masturbation only goes so far. |
| 10:08.17 | ckknight | also, with that, you may need images/videos to get yourself off, which in turn harms someone else, even if you aren't directly doing it |
| 10:08.28 | MoonWolf | yeah |
| 10:09.49 | ckknight | http://eatliver.com/i.php?n=102 |
| 10:10.22 | MoonWolf | hehe |
| 10:10.28 | MoonWolf | luckely that is quite safe |
| 10:10.39 | Industrial | http://www.umop.com/rps15.htm |
| 10:10.41 | Industrial | o_O |
| 10:10.48 | MoonWolf | although falling down would be a bad idea then |
| 10:11.35 | MoonWolf | that is so awesome. |
| 10:12.08 | ckknight | wow, that RPS game looks awesome |
| 10:12.19 | MoonWolf | http://www.umop.com/rps25.htm <- even better |
| 10:12.46 | Industrial | lol.. |
| 10:14.21 | MoonWolf | okay |
| 10:14.26 | MoonWolf | new WoW minigame! |
| 10:14.34 | MoonWolf | rps25 here we come |
| 10:15.18 | ckknight | lol, they have a shirt |
| 10:15.22 | ckknight | MoonWolf, hey, I'd play |
| 10:15.30 | MoonWolf | some of these things make no sense |
| 10:15.34 | MoonWolf | wolf outruns dynamite! |
| 10:15.38 | ckknight | actually, that'd be a good way to replace DKP |
| 10:15.43 | ckknight | hehe |
| 10:16.10 | MoonWolf | nerf dragon, bowl needs a buff! |
| 10:16.24 | Industrial | :p |
| 10:16.45 | Industrial | i sponge your alien! |
| 10:17.12 | Industrial | i think rps3 is best though |
| 10:17.47 | Industrial | Is there anyting more fair? You cant cheat. Ever. |
| 10:18.30 | ckknight | how can't you? |
| 10:19.22 | Industrial | You cant know what the other person is going to pick |
| 10:19.36 | ckknight | right |
| 10:19.44 | Industrial | ofcource theres skill involved, but thats fair too |
| 10:19.50 | ckknight | right |
| 10:19.54 | ckknight | cause it's a mind game |
| 10:19.57 | Industrial | yes |
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| 10:20.25 | MoonWolf | reboot speed on my laptop is pretty good. |
| 10:20.33 | Industrial | and 3 is the lowest number you can have to be able to win OR lose with each pick |
| 10:21.17 | Industrial | If you increase the number it doesnt mean anything |
| 10:21.34 | Industrial | because you are also increasing the number of picks someone else can make to win or lose from you |
| 10:21.41 | Industrial | it will always be 50/50 |
| 10:21.54 | ckknight | Sponge intrigues alien! |
| 10:23.37 | ckknight | aw, I was half-expecting man penetrates woman |
| 10:23.45 | Industrial | lol |
| 10:24.01 | Industrial | alien probes man! |
| 10:24.05 | Industrial | (or not?) |
| 10:24.52 | Industrial | no :< |
| 10:25.35 | ckknight | man disproves alien |
| 10:26.55 | ckknight | RPS25 does have only a 4% chance of tie |
| 10:27.30 | Industrial | ah i didnt account for that |
| 10:27.31 | Industrial | hm |
| 10:29.00 | FryGuy | bleh |
| 10:29.11 | FryGuy | it's too confusing to memorize those :p |
| 10:29.37 | FryGuy | just do 1-25 with binary on 1 hand |
| 10:30.10 | FryGuy | and the person that is within 12 above the other person wins :) |
| 10:30.15 | FryGuy | mod 25 i mean |
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| 10:31.21 | ckknight_ | blah |
| 10:31.31 | ckknight_ | I like RPS-15's image better than RPS-25 |
| 10:35.18 | ckknight_ | http://www.samkass.com/theories/RPSSL.html |
| 10:44.08 | ckknight_ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuEZEyDdmvQ&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eworldrps%2Ecom%2F |
| 10:45.07 | ckknight_ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_rKMjWoeAk&search=rps%20rock%20paper%20scissors%20world%20championships%20funny%20strange |
| 10:49.03 | ckknight_ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVayqR6nyno&search=rps%20rock%20paper%20scissors%20world%20championships%20funny%20strange <- good one |
| 10:52.49 | MoonWolf | you can have championships in a 70% chance game ? |
| 11:05.35 | Codayus | Hmm, anyone got a clue on the odds of the patch hitting today? |
| 11:06.01 | FryGuy | the magic 8-ball says very unlikely |
| 11:06.12 | FryGuy | there's still significant bugs in naxx |
| 11:06.27 | Codayus | Pft, like that's stopped them releasing raid content before? :-D |
| 11:06.27 | FryGuy | like second boss in spider wing doesn't reset properly |
| 11:06.38 | Codayus | But yeah, good point. |
| 11:06.42 | FryGuy | aq40 ya |
| 11:06.51 | FryGuy | there weren't really any "bugs" |
| 11:06.58 | FryGuy | aside from the models of course |
| 11:07.04 | FryGuy | mainly just tuning |
| 11:07.10 | Codayus | Pity, I'd really like the patch to hit. |
| 11:07.15 | Codayus | For the ZG changes if nothing else... |
| 11:07.17 | FryGuy | there's actual bugs in PTR :p |
| 11:07.24 | FryGuy | heh |
| 11:07.39 | FryGuy | i need like 3k rep for revered so i can turn in my coin thingys |
| 11:07.47 | FryGuy | but they nerfed spirit of zanza ftl :( |
| 11:08.06 | Codayus | That's...pretty bad, to be honest. |
| 11:08.24 | Codayus | If they made it non-unique it wouldn't be that bad a change. |
| 11:08.47 | Codayus | But if it's still unique, then whats the point? |
| 11:09.28 | FryGuy | ya |
| 11:09.48 | Codayus | I don't even understand how it could be considered too strong it its current form...can't be pvp concerns... |
| 11:09.51 | FryGuy | i guess you could get both BL + zanza |
| 11:09.56 | Codayus | Nope. |
| 11:10.00 | Codayus | Didn't stack. |
| 11:10.04 | Codayus | Oh. |
| 11:10.05 | Codayus | nm |
| 11:10.06 | FryGuy | i mean for 2 :p |
| 11:10.25 | Codayus | Yeah, I worked out what you meant. :-) |
| 11:10.37 | FryGuy | they are significantly easier to get than flasks heh |
| 11:10.51 | Codayus | Zanza? |
| 11:10.53 | FryGuy | i can get 1 in like 15 minutes |
| 11:10.58 | FryGuy | ya |
| 11:11.04 | FryGuy | 3 bijous/9 coins |
| 11:11.17 | FryGuy | solo i mean |
| 11:11.21 | Codayus | You can farm 3 bijous in 15 minutes solo? |
| 11:11.28 | FryGuy | well 1 bijou/6 coins |
| 11:11.33 | Codayus | ZOMG, nerf whatever you are. :-) |
| 11:11.39 | FryGuy | mage? :p |
| 11:11.45 | Codayus | Fair enough. |
| 11:11.51 | Codayus | ZOMG, nerf mages! |
| 11:11.53 | FryGuy | my main is a priest |
| 11:12.03 | FryGuy | but i have a bijou farming mage :) |
| 11:12.05 | Codayus | On the flip side though, zanza is a hell of a lot weaker than a flask. |
| 11:12.14 | FryGuy | true |
| 11:12.30 | MoonWolf | nerf mages AND priests |
| 11:12.43 | FryGuy | it'd actually take like 45 minutes to fly down there and then turn it in |
| 11:12.50 | Syzx | hmm, how do you farm 1 bijou and 6 coins in 15 minutes? sounds too good to be true tbh |
| 11:12.52 | FryGuy | but I've got like 50 bijous.. so not that big of a deal :p |
| 11:12.53 | Syzx | solo. |
| 11:13.10 | FryGuy | crocs? |
| 11:13.24 | FryGuy | that's like 3 pulls of crocs usually |
| 11:13.53 | FryGuy | and each croc pack is about 3 minutes |
| 11:14.01 | FryGuy | + 1 minute to regen & pull next |
| 11:14.08 | Codayus | Hmm, I need to try and bribe some mages in my guild to farm them. :-) |
| 11:14.13 | FryGuy | full zg croc clear is about 20 minutes |
| 11:14.18 | FryGuy | heh |
| 11:14.28 | FryGuy | you have to spec uber gimp |
| 11:14.36 | FryGuy | well in 1.10 |
| 11:14.48 | Codayus | I'm about 25% of the way to exalted. Sigh. Looong grind if you just run ZG for rep. |
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| 11:15.44 | Wobin | Where |
| 11:16.47 | FryGuy | anyways, back to working on naxx boss mods :p |
| 11:20.38 | MoonWolf | ckknight, whats up with your connection today, normally your never this flakey. |
| 11:20.57 | Industrial | back to my never ending todo list |
| 11:21.03 | Industrial | we have a pool of to-do items here |
| 11:21.13 | FryGuy | me too :( |
| 11:21.17 | Elkano | moonwolf, lately he has been :/ |
| 11:21.20 | FryGuy | unfortunately mine are in my head |
| 11:21.25 | Industrial | any developer not on a project grabs things out of the pool and does them |
| 11:21.43 | MoonWolf | hehe |
| 11:21.53 | MoonWolf | thast not a bad form of working actually. |
| 11:21.58 | FryGuy | hmm |
| 11:22.02 | FryGuy | think this is a good message? |
| 11:22.09 | FryGuy | webwraptrigger = "(.*) (.*) afflicted by Web Wrap.", |
| 11:22.09 | FryGuy | webwrapwarn = "%s is all wrapped up!", |
| 11:22.09 | FryGuy | webwrapyouwarn = "You are all wrapped up!", |
| 11:22.22 | Industrial | For the company - no. But it means you can work hard or not and still have something to do - ALWAYS |
| 11:23.00 | MoonWolf | yeah |
| 11:23.08 | Industrial | if the pool is full ofcource - but it is with 250+ clients with websites ;) |
| 11:23.09 | MoonWolf | FryGuy, looks fine. |
| 11:23.14 | FryGuy | heh |
| 11:23.18 | FryGuy | that ability is funny :) |
| 11:23.38 | FryGuy | i mean what it does and how it works |
| 11:23.52 | FryGuy | actually the whole boss fight is interesting |
| 11:24.03 | FryGuy | i shouldn't really say anything about it though |
| 11:24.15 | MoonWolf | yes you should |
| 11:24.22 | MoonWolf | most of us will never get there anyway |
| 11:24.30 | FryGuy | probably :p |
| 11:24.32 | MoonWolf | _________ SPOILER ________________ |
| 11:24.37 | FryGuy | it's the last boss in the spider wing |
| 11:24.42 | MoonWolf | Start talking. |
| 11:24.48 | FryGuy | big. ass. spider |
| 11:25.28 | FryGuy | that is all ;p |
| 11:25.32 | MoonWolf | wow big suprise |
| 11:25.36 | MoonWolf | but what is so fun about the fight |
| 11:25.43 | MoonWolf | i mean, big ass spiders are nothing NEW |
| 11:25.57 | MoonWolf | smolderweb |
| 11:26.03 | FryGuy | it's like fankriss, lethon, and big ass spider web all in 1 ;p |
| 11:26.06 | FryGuy | smolderweb is tiny |
| 11:26.16 | FryGuy | this is like.. viscidus size |
| 11:26.25 | MoonWolf | viscidus ? |
| 11:26.32 | FryGuy | the blob in aq40 |
| 11:26.51 | MoonWolf | never been in aq or aq40 |
| 11:26.52 | MoonWolf | or mc |
| 11:26.54 | FryGuy | :\ |
| 11:26.56 | MoonWolf | or BWL |
| 11:27.08 | MoonWolf | been in ZG though |
| 11:27.09 | FryGuy | bigger than hakkar? |
| 11:27.22 | MoonWolf | thats pretty damn big |
| 11:27.24 | FryGuy | heh |
| 11:27.27 | MoonWolf | for a spider. |
| 11:27.31 | FryGuy | have you ever mind visioned anything before? |
| 11:27.39 | MoonWolf | nope |
| 11:27.41 | FryGuy | :( |
| 11:27.43 | FryGuy | well |
| 11:27.47 | FryGuy | if you're standing in her center |
| 11:27.50 | MoonWolf | warlock rogue and hunter are my classes of choice. |
| 11:27.57 | FryGuy | it's like.. almost max range on camera to her outside |
| 11:28.13 | MoonWolf | double U tee efff |
| 11:28.33 | FryGuy | it'd be like 10 dead night elfs standing in a row |
| 11:28.40 | FryGuy | that long :p |
| 11:29.11 | MoonWolf | and it has fankriss and lethon type abilities and quircks ? |
| 11:29.17 | MoonWolf | sounds deadly |
| 11:29.39 | FryGuy | yes she is |
| 11:29.39 | FryGuy | we got her to like 80% just zerging |
| 11:29.51 | FryGuy | after like 6-7 attempts |
| 11:30.00 | FryGuy | we haven't figured out the fight though |
| 11:30.03 | FryGuy | the trick i mean |
| 11:30.14 | MoonWolf | so you were yust nuke nuke nuke nuke damn all dead. |
| 11:30.31 | FryGuy | well tank dies so.. that pretty much ends it |
| 11:30.37 | FryGuy | she runs around and rapes everyone |
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| 11:30.58 | MoonWolf | \o/ rape |
| 11:31.09 | MoonWolf | spidery rape of death |
| 11:31.23 | FryGuy | i'm sure when tank gets tier 3 it'll be easier cause of more mitigation |
| 11:31.53 | MoonWolf | at one point warriors will reach the mitigation cap |
| 11:31.54 | MoonWolf | i hope |
| 11:32.05 | FryGuy | there isn't one is there? |
| 11:32.11 | MoonWolf | imagine a 100% mitigation tank |
| 11:32.18 | MoonWolf | i damn well hope there is. |
| 11:32.23 | FryGuy | well dimishing returns |
| 11:32.29 | FryGuy | er |
| 11:32.32 | FryGuy | "diminishing returns" |
| 11:32.50 | FryGuy | think of a tank with x mitigation |
| 11:32.54 | FryGuy | then getting 1000 more armor |
| 11:33.03 | FryGuy | = 10% less damage than before |
| 11:33.18 | FryGuy | so.. 50% will go to 55% with 1000 more armor |
| 11:33.31 | FryGuy | i don't know real number |
| 11:33.34 | MoonWolf | ah |
| 11:33.43 | FryGuy | but it's.. geometric? |
| 11:33.55 | MoonWolf | i know the dutch word |
| 11:34.01 | MoonWolf | "kwadratische formule" |
| 11:34.13 | MoonWolf | wich sould literaly translate to quadratic formula. |
| 11:34.40 | FryGuy | heh |
| 11:34.42 | FryGuy | that's not it :p |
| 11:34.57 | FryGuy | it's f(x) = ratio ^ x |
| 11:35.15 | MoonWolf | anyway |
| 11:35.19 | MoonWolf | i know what you mean. |
| 11:35.46 | MoonWolf | but still that effectivly instutes a cap |
| 11:36.08 | MoonWolf | because at some point 1000 armor would give almost no worthwhile mitigation |
| 11:36.32 | MoonWolf | and i dont see blizzard giving 100.000.000 armor items yet. |
| 11:36.44 | FryGuy | not really |
| 11:36.47 | FryGuy | there's no cap |
| 11:37.11 | FryGuy | assume your warriors get 20k armor |
| 11:37.21 | FryGuy | and your bare has 22k armor |
| 11:37.40 | FryGuy | the bare would still take 19% less damage than the warrior (or whatever it is) |
| 11:37.59 | FryGuy | regardless if it's 30k to 32k or 10k to 12k |
| 11:38.42 | MoonWolf | but at some point the amount of mitigation gained by more armor simply becomes so close to 0 that its stops being usefull |
| 11:38.56 | FryGuy | not really :/ |
| 11:39.03 | MoonWolf | im missign something here..... |
| 11:39.16 | FryGuy | bosses will always hit hard enough so that more armor will help |
| 11:39.20 | FryGuy | also it's level based |
| 11:39.25 | Codayus | Hmmm |
| 11:39.35 | Codayus | Ah, the "does armor have diminishing returns |
| 11:39.38 | Codayus | " argument? |
| 11:40.01 | FryGuy | yes :p |
| 11:40.08 | MoonWolf | true diminishing returns on armor |
| 11:40.16 | Codayus | What you've got to remember with armor is that while increasing armor provides less and less mitigation, increasing mitigation provides more and more beneifts. |
| 11:40.18 | MoonWolf | after 3 hits armor doesnt get counted in pvp anymore! |
| 11:40.19 | FryGuy | think about it in reverse |
| 11:40.42 | FryGuy | how much unmitigated damage can you take before death with the same hp |
| 11:40.44 | MoonWolf | Die warriors DIE!!! |
| 11:41.01 | FryGuy | that's pretty linear with more armor |
| 11:41.41 | Codayus | One way to look at it is to calculate the number of seconds it'd take to receive, say, 10k damage with differing amounts of armor. |
| 11:43.02 | FryGuy | or.. how many priests healing 300hps it'd take to mitigate 5000dps incoming ;p |
| 11:43.09 | FryGuy | er wait |
| 11:43.09 | MoonWolf | hehe |
| 11:43.11 | FryGuy | that's wrong |
| 11:43.19 | FryGuy | http://ace.pastebin.com/762153 |
| 11:43.22 | MoonWolf | thats a lot of healing |
| 11:43.30 | FryGuy | can anyone see any problems with that idea? |
| 11:43.57 | FryGuy | do i need unitexists? |
| 11:44.07 | MoonWolf | hmmm |
| 11:44.09 | MoonWolf | not a clue |
| 11:44.18 | MoonWolf | looks reasenable |
| 11:44.52 | FryGuy | can't really test it right now :( |
| 11:45.12 | FryGuy | unfortunately doubt we'll see her for a while |
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| 11:52.09 | Thiana | So does it look like 1.11 is going live today? |
| 11:52.13 | MoonWolf | not really |
| 11:52.15 | Codayus | Thiana: Rumor has it - no. |
| 11:52.22 | Codayus | Sadly. :-) |
| 11:52.36 | Codayus | (Well, sadly for me.) |
| 11:53.16 | MoonWolf | Thiana, artwork etc can easly be pushed because its not going to change. |
| 11:53.21 | MoonWolf | the code needs work. |
| 11:53.27 | Thiana | Hmm, good point. |
| 11:54.19 | MoonWolf | alsho have a nice devils day. |
| 11:55.08 | Thiana | Nice devils day? |
| 11:55.14 | FryGuy | 6/6/06 |
| 11:55.19 | Thiana | Ah :) |
| 11:55.47 | Codayus | Yeah, double checked the calculations by hand. Marginal returns on increased armor are flat... |
| 11:56.09 | Codayus | (Can you tell I'm really really bored?) |
| 11:56.12 | MoonWolf | yes |
| 11:56.16 | MoonWolf | go code something. |
| 11:56.21 | Codayus | Hmm |
| 11:56.44 | Thiana | Anyone know offhand what is passed with SKILL_LINES_CHANGED? |
| 11:56.45 | MoonWolf | thanks for the calcs btw |
| 11:56.49 | MoonWolf | got that out of the way now. |
| 11:57.08 | Codayus | Well, in some ways they're flat, anyhow. |
| 11:57.30 | MoonWolf | oh great |
| 11:57.32 | MoonWolf | only in some ways |
| 11:57.50 | MoonWolf | got something more definite ? |
| 11:57.51 | FryGuy | f(x) = f(x - h) * k |
| 11:57.57 | Codayus | If you assume 10k hp and 1k incoming DPS, then every 800 AC lets you live for 1.45s longer before dieing. |
| 11:58.07 | Codayus | So in that sense, it's absolutely flat. |
| 11:58.13 | FryGuy | where f is the amount of unmitigated damage you can take with x armor |
| 11:58.45 | FryGuy | anyways |
| 11:58.54 | FryGuy | web squirt is 10 seconds |
| 11:58.58 | FryGuy | so that's how long you have to live :) |
| 11:59.21 | MoonWolf | so that would require, a lot of healing + a lot of armor. |
| 11:59.50 | FryGuy | except |
| 11:59.51 | FryGuy | no healing :p |
| 11:59.56 | MoonWolf | no healing ? |
| 11:59.58 | Codayus | OTOH, for pve, you probably care more about how much healing you need, not how long you live. |
| 11:59.59 | MoonWolf | wait that isnt fair. |
| 12:00.18 | Industrial | you could pws one hit.. |
| 12:00.22 | MoonWolf | okay, buff the hell out of the tank people. |
| 12:00.23 | Industrial | swp* |
| 12:00.24 | FryGuy | heh that's why we wiped at 80% :P |
| 12:00.31 | FryGuy | pw:s :) |
| 12:00.36 | Industrial | ack |
| 12:00.37 | Industrial | :P |
| 12:00.38 | MoonWolf | the hp is the limit!!! |
| 12:00.42 | MoonWolf | hp cap* |
| 12:00.46 | Mikma | good morning |
| 12:00.50 | Industrial | lo mikma |
| 12:00.51 | Codayus | And while increased armor decreases the healing you need, that does suffer diminishing returns. |
| 12:00.51 | MoonWolf | morning mikky |
| 12:01.32 | Mikma | The Matador was.. interesting movie i must say |
| 12:02.19 | MoonWolf | doesnt ring a bell |
| 12:04.50 | FryGuy | that's that artsy one with the guy from titanic right? |
| 12:05.17 | FryGuy | er that's the aviator |
| 12:05.44 | FryGuy | " |
| 12:05.44 | FryGuy | Plot Outline: A globetrotting hitman and a crestfallen businessman meet in a hotel bar in Mexico City in an encounter that draws them together in a way neither expected. |
| 12:28.22 | Mikma | hmm |
| 12:28.42 | Mikma | i feel like coding the StickyFrames into MAMi but don't have the interest to do it :/ |
| 12:29.46 | [Wobin] | FryGuy: That sounds like From Dusk Til Dawn =P |
| 12:30.24 | [Wobin] | where Unexpected Encounter == OMGVAMPIRES |
| 12:30.52 | MoonWolf | vampires == instant cool movie. |
| 12:31.13 | Wobin | FDTD... Buddy Kidnapping Movie, Ransom... HOLY FUCK VAMPIRES |
| 12:33.45 | MoonWolf | <Saffrin> something someone told me what it could stand for.. which I will not say |
| 12:33.58 | MoonWolf | It was a about a mom, and she was married to a dude. The moms daughter had sex with the dude that was her stepfather, and because of that the mom got angry and started to fuck the daughters boyfriend. |
| 12:34.59 | Wobin | ... |
| 12:36.18 | FryGuy | wow |
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| 12:36.56 | MoonWolf | sometimes |
| 12:37.02 | MoonWolf | you really dont want to know the res.t |
| 12:54.34 | Wobin | Who's ottodefe? |
| 12:55.45 | MoonWolf | no idea |
| 12:55.49 | MoonWolf | but i know his name... |
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| 12:58.34 | Industrial | http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/input/82b3/images/ :o |
| 12:59.28 | [Ammo] | hmm does anyone know if I can give CorkFu a buff to scan for and display everyone who needs that buff? |
| 12:59.36 | Wobin | Must be someone who keeps an eye on the SVn then =P |
| 13:01.48 | Industrial | 'jesus is my guild leader' lol :) |
| 13:02.06 | Totp|Clumsy | oh nice, lots of people here - does anybody have like a minute or so - I have very "noobish" question regarding an addon I am trying to write just4fun for myself with ace, but somehow I am getting an error I dont really understand |
| 13:03.28 | Mikma | well we can try helping you, shoot. |
| 13:03.47 | Totp|Clumsy | ok |
| 13:03.55 | Totp|Clumsy | the error i get is: |
| 13:03.58 | Totp|Clumsy | NemMana.lua:21: attempt to index global `NemMana' (a nil value) |
| 13:04.01 | Totp|Clumsy | and lines 20 and 21 are |
| 13:04.08 | Totp|Clumsy | NemMana = AceAddon:new({ |
| 13:04.08 | Totp|Clumsy | name = NemMana.NAME, |
| 13:04.23 | Totp|Clumsy | the rest of the addon wa written before and i decided to switch to ace |
| 13:04.36 | Totp|Clumsy | but somehow the templates dont want to work, did i miss something ? |
| 13:04.51 | Mikma | did you try looking other simple ace addons how they are done? |
| 13:04.56 | MoonWolf | in line 20 you are creating nemmana, but in line 21 you are refering to nemmana while its not there yet. |
| 13:05.19 | Mikma | moonwolf to the rescue ;) i don't know ace-coding at all |
| 13:05.44 | MoonWolf | its a chicken and egg issue |
| 13:05.50 | Totp|Clumsy | hm, but doesn't the template look exactly the same ? |
| 13:06.11 | Totp|Clumsy | I am refering to the AddonName.lua thats with the sdk i think |
| 13:06.33 | Totp|Clumsy | or do I have to initialize NemMana first somehow ? |
| 13:07.22 | MoonWolf | lua is case sensitive |
| 13:07.30 | Totp|Clumsy | argh :) |
| 13:07.39 | MoonWolf | AddonName and ADDONNAME are different things. |
| 13:08.02 | MoonWolf | yust do name = " a name here" |
| 13:08.05 | Totp|Clumsy | ok - i think that's probably the same mistake I make everytime and never learn from it - thanks :) |
| 13:08.17 | MoonWolf | no problem |
| 13:08.20 | MoonWolf | this was easy enough. |
| 13:08.26 | Totp|Clumsy | :D |
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| 13:32.12 | Wobin | Spasi, Gospodi, lyudi |
| 13:32.13 | Wobin | Tvoya i blagoslovi |
| 13:32.13 | Wobin | dostoyaniye Tvoye |
| 13:35.40 | Industrial | right :D |
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| 13:38.39 | Wobin | 1812 Overture =P |
| 13:38.56 | Wobin | wot? =P |
| 13:39.05 | Mikma | ~whaleslap |
| 13:39.06 | purl | extra, extra, read all about it, whaleslap is your mom |
| 13:39.12 | MoonWolf | oh god |
| 13:39.45 | Wobin | Or more specifically O Lord Save Thy People =P |
| 13:40.13 | MoonWolf | all that nonsense to say that ? |
| 13:40.31 | Mikma | neat |
| 13:40.54 | Mikma | let's say the same in finnish: Herra, Pelasta kansasi |
| 13:40.54 | Wobin | O Lord, save Thy people |
| 13:40.55 | Wobin | and bless Thine inheritance, |
| 13:41.28 | Wobin | But hey it's Russian =P |
| 13:41.44 | Wobin | (albeit uncyrillic'd) |
| 13:41.44 | Mikma | and if we wan't to praise the "herra" we add "oi" infront of it ehehe |
| 13:41.45 | MoonWolf | God red uw mensen. |
| 13:41.54 | Mikma | vodka! |
| 13:41.59 | Wobin | wodka! |
| 13:42.05 | MoonWolf | vwodka! |
| 13:42.07 | Mikma | vladimir! |
| 13:42.24 | Wobin | Ra-Ra-Rasputin! |
| 13:42.46 | Mikma | Wobin: you from russia? |
| 13:42.52 | Wobin | Not at all =) |
| 13:42.56 | Mikma | good |
| 13:43.00 | Wobin | But I've sung in a lot of languages =P |
| 13:43.07 | Mikma | our one sucky minister offended russians some days ago |
| 13:43.13 | Mikma | she's a stupidass that's for sure |
| 13:43.38 | MoonWolf | yeah |
| 13:43.53 | MoonWolf | next thing you know, NO GASS FOR YOU. |
| 13:44.06 | Mikma | serves us right tho |
| 13:44.12 | Mikma | to have ministers like that |
| 13:44.24 | MoonWolf | we have a pro childporn party |
| 13:44.36 | Mikma | hah i know :D |
| 13:44.40 | MoonWolf | so its not like your the worst country politics wise. |
| 13:44.44 | Industrial | :X |
| 13:44.47 | [Ammo] | yeah those guys are evil |
| 13:45.04 | Industrial | yet legal :( |
| 13:45.05 | Mikma | it was on newspapers here and i did read it from the internet :D |
| 13:45.31 | Mikma | (the newspaper is in internet) ... http://www.iltalehti.fi and http://www.iltasanomat.fi |
| 13:45.47 | MoonWolf | [Ammo], Industrial I suggest we find out where he lives, beat the crap out of him until he dies and then leave a sign: PWND BY WoWAce |
| 13:45.48 | Industrial | Mikma do you like (finnish) metal? |
| 13:45.57 | Industrial | lol MoonWolf |
| 13:45.57 | MoonWolf | the police will never find out. |
| 13:46.02 | Industrial | yeah, right |
| 13:46.04 | Industrial | :D |
| 13:46.10 | Mikma | Industrial: hard rock hallelujah... well no i don't :) |
| 13:46.23 | Industrial | Mikma: thats not metal thats gay rock |
| 13:46.24 | Tain | "That's it!", she says. "I'm leaving you! People have been telling me terrible things about you!" |
| 13:46.25 | Wobin | "Police are looking for a group only identified by the word "PWNED"" |
| 13:46.32 | Industrial | Wobin: ahahah |
| 13:46.36 | Tain | "Calm down!", he responds. "What have they been saying?" |
| 13:46.42 | Tain | "They're saying you're a pedophile!" |
| 13:46.52 | Tain | "Pedophile... that's an awfully big word for a nine year old." |
| 13:46.56 | Mikma | haha |
| 13:46.57 | Industrial | :P |
| 13:47.15 | Mikma | Industrial: tell me about it, i don't like any finnish rock whatsoever ;) |
| 13:47.22 | Industrial | aww |
| 13:47.27 | Mikma | HIM, Rasmus, etc |
| 13:47.30 | Industrial | theres so many cool bands from finland :P |
| 13:47.49 | MoonWolf | HIM and rasmus are NOT metal. |
| 13:47.52 | Industrial | Children of bodom, Finntroll, Norther (slightly less cool) |
| 13:47.55 | Tain | HIM is finnish? I keep hearing that, "Wings of a Butterfly" song. |
| 13:48.06 | Mikma | Tain: yeah, Ville Valo is the singer |
| 13:48.18 | Mikma | oh yeah it ain't metal :D it's "rock" |
| 13:48.20 | [Ammo] | Jungle Rot, Immolation :) |
| 13:48.26 | Mikma | sorry about that but i still don't like rock/metal hehe |
| 13:48.32 | [Ammo] | hehe |
| 13:48.51 | Mikma | Children of Bodom is funny name for sure |
| 13:48.53 | Tain | Children of Bodom I hear though. Sirius satellite radio is my hero. |
| 13:48.55 | Industrial | yeah |
| 13:48.55 | Industrial | :P |
| 13:49.00 | Mikma | does anyone know the story about it? |
| 13:49.02 | Industrial | i do |
| 13:49.10 | Mikma | good then i don't have to explain it ;) |
| 13:49.15 | Industrial | :) |
| 13:49.22 | Mikma | http://www.iltalehti.fi/uutiset/nTM_uu.jpg |
| 13:49.36 | Mikma | this is the man who did it but was found not guilty ;) |
| 13:49.47 | Industrial | thought the supposed killer was spoken freely? |
| 13:49.48 | Industrial | yeah |
| 13:49.55 | Industrial | (ew i talk too dutch) |
| 13:49.58 | Mikma | Nils Gustafsson |
| 13:50.30 | haste | that sounded icelandic :o |
| 13:50.39 | Mikma | the only survivor... |
| 13:50.40 | MoonWolf | thats cause the language sound alike. |
| 13:50.50 | Mikma | haste: sounds swedish more likely :) |
| 13:51.03 | haste | not with that typing :p |
| 13:51.10 | Industrial | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Bodom_murders |
| 13:51.11 | haste | (basicly live in sweden) |
| 13:51.11 | MoonWolf | swedish, norse, danish all the same sounding for us. |
| 13:51.22 | Mikma | MoonWolf: well sounds same for me too hehe |
| 13:51.24 | Industrial | nor really MoonWolf |
| 13:51.29 | Industrial | not* |
| 13:51.39 | Industrial | danish is alot like dutch |
| 13:51.47 | MoonWolf | dont undermine my perfectly good arguments here1 |
| 13:51.48 | Industrial | finnish on the contrary... |
| 13:51.49 | MoonWolf | damnit. |
| 13:51.54 | Industrial | ;P |
| 13:52.04 | MoonWolf | Perkele!!! |
| 13:52.05 | Mikma | wikipedia ftw! |
| 13:52.21 | Mikma | right on |
| 13:52.24 | Industrial | haste: in the guild chat i can usually read whats being said |
| 13:52.27 | Industrial | :) |
| 13:52.44 | Industrial | not 100% ofcource |
| 13:53.10 | haste | hehe |
| 13:53.39 | Mikma | Nils Gustafsson, 18 years old at the time, the only survivor, arrested in 2004 for the murders, acquitted in October 2005. Pleaded not guilty, now suing the government for mental pain and suffering. |
| 13:53.43 | Mikma | yeah right |
| 13:53.50 | Mikma | i bet he gets something like 2000 euros ;) |
| 13:53.57 | Mikma | this is not USA |
| 13:54.13 | MoonWolf | hehe |
| 13:54.19 | MoonWolf | good for you |
| 13:54.25 | MoonWolf | and all the not usa countries. |
| 13:54.53 | Industrial | Because Gustafsson was deemed innocent of murders, the State of Finland will pay him 44,900 . for mental suffering caused by the trial. |
| 13:54.59 | Tain | I thought the whole world except for the Middle East and Russia was a US territory. |
| 13:55.03 | Mikma | well too bad people don't realize that.. they are always yelling "don't touch me or i'll sue you".. for crying out loud |
| 13:55.04 | Industrial | zing! |
| 13:55.22 | Mikma | 44.900? pfft, lame |
| 13:55.31 | Industrial | stab me too pls |
| 13:55.42 | MoonWolf | ~stab Industrial |
| 13:55.43 | purl | ACTION runs at Industrial with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
| 13:55.53 | Industrial | .( |
| 13:57.02 | Mikma | lol wtf is going on |
| 13:57.03 | Mikma | http://www.iltalehti.fi/viihde/4622013_vi.jpg |
| 13:57.13 | Industrial | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:57.14 | Mikma | modeling agency said she should lose 6 kilos weight |
| 13:57.17 | Industrial | LOL ASSMAN LOL |
| 13:57.49 | Industrial | Mikma: hello thar |
| 13:58.12 | Industrial | Mikma: models are scare people. I prefer normal girls |
| 13:58.33 | Mikma | Industrial: but really, 6 kilos? i think she's good now... |
| 13:58.37 | Industrial | yea |
| 14:00.12 | Industrial | Mikma: I bet finland has alot of hot blonde chicks :P |
| 14:00.27 | Industrial | -e |
| 14:00.55 | MoonWolf | we dont need them from finland |
| 14:00.57 | Mikma | yeah i bet too ,9 |
| 14:01.03 | Mikma | ;) .. |
| 14:01.03 | MoonWolf | we have lots of hot blond chicks here! |
| 14:01.34 | Mikma | eh, this is funny... |
| 14:01.49 | Industrial | It always amazes me that the number of hot chicks increases whenever i leave my home (amsterdam) and travel for about 50km |
| 14:01.49 | Mikma | a police shot some burglar which was trying to drive over him |
| 14:01.57 | Mikma | the burglar had used some drugs etc |
| 14:02.12 | Mikma | police has to pay 1160 euros for the burglar |
| 14:02.39 | MoonWolf | Industrial, hehe |
| 14:02.44 | Industrial | not even self defence? |
| 14:02.55 | Wobin | hehe |
| 14:02.56 | Industrial | MoonWolf: as such i LOVE thr train |
| 14:03.07 | Mikma | "Poliisi ampui kuusi laukausta alle kahdessa sekunnissa, kun amfetamiinipäissään ollut murtovaras yllättäen kiihdytti auton kohti häntä." |
| 14:03.08 | MoonWolf | its the LOVE train |
| 14:03.13 | Industrial | rwar |
| 14:03.14 | Industrial | :D |
| 14:03.17 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H69eCYcDcuQ |
| 14:03.25 | MoonWolf | Mikma, your language needs less stuff on top of its letters. |
| 14:03.34 | Mikma | police shot 2 bullets in less than 2 seconds when the burglar suddenly tried to run over him" |
| 14:03.38 | Mikma | soooorry |
| 14:03.42 | Mikma | 6 bullets in 2 seconds |
| 14:03.52 | Mikma | MoonWolf: äöå? |
| 14:04.11 | MoonWolf | amfetamiinipäissää <- you call that a WORD ? |
| 14:04.24 | Mikma | å is from sweden but we still use it occasianally |
| 14:04.34 | haste | øæå ! |
| 14:04.36 | Industrial | Waterzuiveringsinstallatiecomplexsleutelhangertje. |
| 14:04.44 | MoonWolf | hehe |
| 14:04.47 | Industrial | :P |
| 14:04.54 | Wobin | Water processing plant? |
| 14:04.59 | Mikma | MoonWolf: well it's a word for us, sadly :( |
| 14:05.07 | Mikma | it's a stupid word i know |
| 14:05.09 | MoonWolf | water processing plant key hanger. |
| 14:05.18 | MoonWolf | what does it mean ? |
| 14:05.20 | Wobin | Sounds like german =P |
| 14:05.28 | Industrial | Waterplrocessinginstallationplantkeyhanger. |
| 14:05.33 | Wobin | with the "lets tack words together to make other words" |
| 14:05.38 | Industrial | :D |
| 14:05.43 | MoonWolf | its valid! |
| 14:05.47 | Industrial | iots still a word |
| 14:06.22 | Mikma | lentokonesuihkuturbiinimoottoriapumekaanikkoaliupseerioppilas |
| 14:06.34 | Mikma | that's finnish, it's longest word in finland |
| 14:06.54 | MoonWolf | what does THAT mean ? |
| 14:07.15 | Wobin | And to think english only has antidisestablishmentarianism |
| 14:07.42 | MoonWolf | wobin that word is hell to pronounce. |
| 14:07.50 | Wobin | Then again... there's that welsh town that they shorten to LlanfairPG |
| 14:07.53 | Mikma | lentokone = airplane, suihkuturbiini = (airplane's) turbine, moottori = motor, apumekaanikko = assistant mechanic, aliupseeri = rank in military, oppilas = student |
| 14:07.56 | Wobin | But that's welsh |
| 14:08.25 | Mikma | well, suihkuturbiini can be said "jet-turbine" or something |
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| 14:08.37 | MoonWolf | airplanturbinemotorassintentmechenicstudent. |
| 14:08.48 | Wobin | Well that's pretty clear |
| 14:09.02 | Wobin | You forgot the military rank |
| 14:09.02 | Mikma | and the rank in between too ;) |
| 14:09.18 | Elkano | any news? was it patch day in US? |
| 14:09.20 | Mikma | i'm trying to find the word for it in english |
| 14:09.21 | Wobin | nyet |
| 14:09.35 | Mikma | upseeri = officer |
| 14:09.47 | Mikma | but aliupseeri = .. hmm |
| 14:09.58 | Wobin | but officer student, someone who's studying to be an officer? |
| 14:10.16 | Wobin | ie commissioned |
| 14:10.19 | MoonWolf | Studeerendmilitairfliegtuigturbinemotorreperatieassistent |
| 14:10.21 | Mikma | yeah maybe |
| 14:10.27 | MoonWolf | damn its shorter! |
| 14:10.34 | Wobin | Barely =) |
| 14:10.57 | Wobin | maybe cadet would be a better english word |
| 14:11.14 | Mikma | cadet! |
| 14:11.17 | Mikma | that's it |
| 14:11.34 | Mikma | atleast i think it's a best word for it |
| 14:11.41 | Mikma | since finnish army has too many ranks |
| 14:11.41 | MoonWolf | kk |
| 14:12.10 | Mikma | just a sec |
| 14:12.27 | Industrial | Hottentottententententoonstellingsmakersopleidingsprogramma |
| 14:12.29 | Industrial | xD |
| 14:12.31 | Mikma | http://www.mil.fi/varusmies/arvomerkki/index_en.dsp |
| 14:12.35 | Mikma | found em :) |
| 14:13.08 | Mikma | "Aliupseerioppilas" = NCO Student |
| 14:13.10 | Mikma | heh |
| 14:13.13 | Mikma | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnish_military_ranks |
| 14:13.46 | Mikma | aye, that's damn good url for ranks |
| 14:14.07 | Mikma | NCO Student will become Corporal |
| 14:14.09 | Wobin | ah a nco =) |
| 14:14.13 | MoonWolf | why cant they include dutch in there |
| 14:14.32 | Wobin | noncom |
| 14:14.54 | Mikma | Lance Corporal has one mark ( < ) and Corporal has two ( << ) |
| 14:15.14 | Mikma | and usually they promote privates at the end of their service to lance corporals |
| 14:16.02 | MoonWolf | http://img353.imageshack.us/img353/5310/toiletpaper9sb.jpg |
| 14:16.29 | Mikma | hah |
| 14:16.34 | Mikma | nice place to have a meeting |
| 14:16.50 | Mikma | i really wonder how can i get up there |
| 14:17.53 | Mikma | it's rather easy to get under that tower but on top of it is another thing |
| 14:18.13 | Wobin | Where's that? |
| 14:18.44 | MoonWolf | karazan |
| 14:18.51 | Mikma | yeah i didn't remember the name |
| 14:18.57 | Mikma | but it's in Dead wind pass |
| 14:22.46 | CIA-17 | 03silverwind * r2394 10VisorGUI/VisorGUI.lua: |
| 14:22.46 | CIA-17 | VisorGUI: |
| 14:22.46 | CIA-17 | - Fixed a bug when grabbing a frame with an unnamed Parent (happens with idActionButtons). |
| 14:22.59 | Wobin | hehe |
| 14:23.02 | Wobin | I just realised |
| 14:23.13 | Wobin | All of PlowKing will be unable to be Visord |
| 14:23.32 | Wobin | unless visor is more intelligent about not using names |
| 14:23.49 | MoonWolf | yay |
| 14:24.03 | MoonWolf | i had that problem when i wanted to modify idactionbuttons. |
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| 14:30.28 | Tain | Someone should update Visor to handle unnamed frames! |
| 14:31.02 | Wobin | Well volunteered, Tain! |
| 14:31.05 | Tain | And load on demand or dynamically created frames after Visor is loaded as well. |
| 14:31.35 | Industrial | <@MoonWolf> i had that problem when i wanted to modify idactionbuttons. |
| 14:31.36 | Industrial | ? |
| 14:31.42 | Tain | I'm going split box-spring shopping. |
| 14:35.05 | Industrial | Visor could be passed a table instead of a string, but that seems a bit big to me |
| 14:35.20 | Industrial | (so you coudl jsut throw it an object instead of a name) |
| 14:36.18 | Industrial | visor seems a bit redundant now we have the whole api thingy |
| 14:36.26 | Industrial | on the other hand its nice for quick setups |
| 14:36.28 | Wobin | I still use it |
| 14:36.34 | Industrial | me too |
| 14:36.55 | Industrial | but if i make something i wont depend on visor |
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| 14:40.46 | [Wobin] | oh no MoonWolf |
| 14:55.10 | Mikma | http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d197/blooberry1219/th294807214_m.gif |
| 15:00.55 | Wobin | I can't stop laughing =) |
| 15:01.06 | Wobin | www.askaninja.com |
| 15:03.59 | Wobin | You do -not- want to meet a ninjelephant in an alley. |
| 15:04.08 | Wobin | You know what? You don't want to meet a real elephant in an alley |
| 15:06.14 | Elkano | wrt asking? ever asked Igor? www.askigor.com |
| 15:07.15 | Mikma | http://img326.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1337noggen8vv.jpg |
| 15:07.27 | Mikma | oh yeah this is fun |
| 15:07.28 | Mikma | http://www.imgcity.net/server/primary/roflowned.jpg |
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| 15:23.00 | Wobin | hm |
| 15:23.05 | Wobin | xraidstatus is kinda cool |
| 15:23.53 | Mikma | goddamn, f**k my exploration had a nasty end |
| 15:23.58 | Mikma | spirit healer ftw |
| 15:24.47 | Wobin | where were you exploring? |
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| 15:30.08 | Mikma | just random stuff |
| 15:30.16 | Mikma | moment ago i was east of Loch Modan |
| 15:30.36 | Wobin | hm |
| 15:31.04 | Wobin | I dunno if I agree with xrs's stand that if one healer out of 10 is still alive with full mana == full raid heal mana |
| 15:31.37 | Wobin | I'd want to know that there's only 10% of the total available healing mana left |
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| 15:37.13 | Wobin | hum |
| 15:37.15 | Wobin | suggestions |
| 15:37.50 | Wobin | Should I offer the be able to split categories based on what's currently in inventory, or any possible category type thing? |
| 15:38.21 | Wobin | like, you can split all the one handed weapons from the weapon category, only if you have a one handed weapon in inventory atm |
| 15:38.51 | Wobin | or you can split it into a category regardless of if you have any in inventory |
| 15:40.16 | Amadeo | Wow, caster itemization completely sucks |
| 15:41.22 | hyperChipmunk | Wobin: is there so many categories that there's serious information overload if you do it the second way? |
| 15:41.35 | Wobin | probably not |
| 15:42.02 | Wobin | but I'll be offering a 'split all' |
| 15:42.24 | Wobin | which will split the current category into all available sub categories |
| 15:43.13 | Wobin | hm maybe I'll have them automerge back into the parent category if the user doesn't 'extract' them on update |
| 15:43.50 | Wobin | It's just easier for me to determine what has been split off from the category if I do it the former way |
| 15:44.41 | Wobin | I can say "Oh, there are no shields currently held in this category so either the user doesn't have any, or they've already split it off" |
| 15:44.47 | Amadeo | Hey guys, what level range is BRD? |
| 15:44.50 | Wobin | So I don't have to offer it as a choice |
| 15:44.56 | Wobin | Amadeo: 53+? |
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| 15:45.04 | Wobin | Maybe 55 |
| 15:45.17 | Wobin | unless you're a druid =P |
| 15:45.33 | Amadeo | is it? damn |
| 15:45.40 | Wobin | What level are you? |
| 15:45.41 | Amadeo | I'm a 50 Warrior on the server in question :( |
| 15:45.46 | Wobin | Maraudon =) |
| 15:46.06 | Amadeo | I'm trying to find some good items for my friend, level 50 Priest |
| 15:46.15 | Amadeo | but everything sucks for casters, there's nothing |
| 15:46.28 | Wobin | hm |
| 15:46.40 | Wobin | www.wow-loot.com ? |
| 15:46.50 | Amadeo | I'l try that page |
| 15:46.53 | Amadeo | I was looking on Thottbot |
| 15:47.05 | Wobin | that page is great |
| 15:47.37 | Amadeo | wow, that is nice |
| 15:47.37 | Wobin | Princess has some nice caster drops |
| 15:47.38 | Amadeo | thanks man |
| 15:47.40 | Wobin | np |
| 15:50.36 | haste | http://www.flickr.com/photos/silvery/143053448/ << meep |
| 15:51.19 | Elkano | Princess? which one? there are too many in this game... |
| 15:52.37 | Wobin | Maraudon |
| 15:52.59 | Mikma | Amadeo: http://wow-loot.com/ |
| 15:53.01 | Wobin | Theradras |
| 15:53.09 | Wobin | Mikma: *points up* |
| 15:53.59 | Mikma | *pokes eyes out* |
| 15:55.28 | Wobin | Amadeo: Oh and ST has some fantastic healer drops |
| 15:57.03 | Wobin | Maybe I'll make the splitall into SplitAvailable |
| 15:57.11 | Wobin | That'll solve both issues |
| 15:57.34 | Amadeo | what level do I need to be for ST? |
| 15:57.36 | Wobin | You'll be able to pull out individual subcats, but the 'splitall' will only show your current stuff |
| 15:57.46 | Wobin | 50-55 |
| 15:59.35 | Amadeo | 55 :( |
| 16:03.36 | Wobin | Get grinding! =) |
| 16:05.41 | Amadeo | hehe |
| 16:08.03 | Wobin | Highly sought-after role, work within banking and finance and progress your career to the next level! |
| 16:08.20 | Wobin | They really make no effort to hide the fact that this is a temporary job =P |
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| 16:26.45 | *** mode/#wowace [+o Cairenn] by ChanServ |
| 16:30.15 | Amadeo | heh, there are no next levels with temp jobs |
| 16:58.01 | Amadeo | real servers up yet? |
| 17:04.12 | CIA-17 | 03maia * r2395 10Squishy/locals_frFR.lua: Squishy: updated french localization (thanks, firiel) |
| 17:04.19 | hyperChipmunk | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/realmstatus/ |
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| 17:15.56 | Amadeo | that page is actually accurate now days? |
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| 17:21.08 | Ratbert_CP | svn.wowace.com issues? |
| 17:24.27 | Ratbert_CP | Nevermind. No TabletLib docs anyway... At least, no examples. :( |
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| 17:25.11 | Neronix | Evening |
| 17:28.13 | Elkano | evening :) Neronix, I think you have to fix the Umlauts in deDE loc of NanoStats |
| 17:28.42 | Industrial | MoonWolf: http://digigen.nl/~Industrial/games/wow/addons/idActionBar.php |
| 17:29.20 | MoonWolf | Ah cool |
| 17:29.33 | MoonWolf | but i just spent 3 hour custimizing the previous version. |
| 17:29.57 | Industrial | :p |
| 17:30.13 | Industrial | Im not sure on the buttons part |
| 17:30.23 | Industrial | I really wanted to just create one bar and thats it |
| 17:31.22 | Industrial | Anyway I'm going to be very busy next two weeks |
| 17:31.30 | Industrial | last two weeks of this year |
| 17:31.49 | Industrial | *wow* |
| 17:32.09 | Neronix | Elkano: I'll check it out |
| 17:33.03 | Tain | wow using 7z... you really don't care if anyone uses them! |
| 17:35.54 | Mikma | apt-get install p7zip |
| 17:36.02 | Mikma | worked for my mac :) |
| 17:39.02 | Mikma | clad|sleep: so, are you using StickyFrames on PerfectRaid? |
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| 17:45.24 | Neronix | Elkano: NanoStats or NanoStatsFu? |
| 17:45.34 | Elkano | maybe both |
| 17:45.57 | Elkano | in RESETSESSION you have an unmasked ü |
| 17:45.58 | Neronix | Is it just the Reset Session string? |
| 17:46.08 | Neronix | Yeah, I apparently forgot to fix that |
| 17:46.21 | Ratbert_CP | Anyone understand AceHooks? |
| 17:47.47 | hyperChipmunk | I've used them; I can't hardly say I fully understand them |
| 17:48.11 | hyperChipmunk | I can give a whack at your problem, though |
| 17:48.24 | hyperChipmunk | what ya need to know? |
| 17:49.37 | Elkano | hyper, any chance to get updates of the BG objectives besides the trigger messages? |
| 17:50.11 | hyperChipmunk | how do you mean |
| 17:50.35 | Elkano | in AV it may take some time after you entered until so assaults the next graveyard resulting in an updtae of the POIs |
| 17:51.08 | hyperChipmunk | hm |
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| 17:52.23 | hyperChipmunk | I used to do it on PEW |
| 17:52.35 | Ratbert_CP | How do I prevent the original function from being called? |
| 17:52.50 | Ratbert_CP | Or, how do I call the original? |
| 17:53.03 | Ratbert_CP | Whichever is the more appropriate question... |
| 17:53.04 | Ratbert_CP | :) |
| 17:53.10 | hyperChipmunk | you have to manually call it if you want it done |
| 17:53.25 | hyperChipmunk | say, you have this: |
| 17:53.54 | Ratbert_CP | Ah! I see it now. |
| 17:53.58 | hyperChipmunk | self:Hook(FooBlizzFunc, "MyBetterBlizzFunc") |
| 17:54.33 | hyperChipmunk | then in MyBetterBlizzFunc, if you want the original function called, you use self:CallHook(FooBlizzFunc) |
| 17:54.45 | hyperChipmunk | that'll call it without looping back into your hook |
| 17:55.11 | Ratbert_CP | Actually, it looks like you should use self.Hooks.FooBlizzFunc.orig(arg1, arg2,...) |
| 17:55.25 | Neronix | Elkano: Fixed. CIA hasn't reported it for some odd reason |
| 17:55.34 | hyperChipmunk | probably does the same thing |
| 17:55.39 | Ratbert_CP | CallHook() has been deprecated. |
| 17:55.46 | Elkano | nvm :) |
| 17:55.54 | hyperChipmunk | lemme look at the code for CallHook(0 |
| 17:55.56 | hyperChipmunk | oh |
| 17:55.59 | hyperChipmunk | well there you go |
| 17:56.04 | Ratbert_CP | :) |
| 17:56.32 | Ratbert_CP | Took me a minute to figure it out. Been dealing with idiots who want security, but without the hassle of actually securing anything. |
| 17:56.47 | Neronix | self.Hooks.FooBlizzFunc() |
| 17:57.10 | Neronix | and self.Hooks.FooBlizFunc.orig() for the original version |
| 17:57.46 | Neronix | wait, don't think that's quite right |
| 17:57.52 | Neronix | and I can't get on the wiki to check >.> |
| 17:59.28 | Ratbert_CP | Neronix: That's pretty close. |
| 18:00.09 | Mikma | hmm |
| 18:00.27 | Mikma | somehow i don't get how StickyFrames works, meaning i don't code the support then |
| 18:01.38 | MoonWolf | Hey, hyper, when did you start hanging out in #wowradio ? |
| 18:01.45 | hyperChipmunk | just now =) |
| 18:01.57 | hyperChipmunk | I lazy |
| 18:02.01 | hyperChipmunk | never got around to joining |
| 18:06.10 | Wobin | Mikma: Stickyframes is fairly straightforward in terms of usage... |
| 18:06.34 | Wobin | you're just passing a table of frames for it to watch out for |
| 18:06.35 | Mikma | well then i might not understand the whole meaning of it :P |
| 18:06.44 | kergoth`zzz | http://kergoth.com/wow_006.jpg .. heh |
| 18:06.51 | Mikma | is used to stick frames next to each other or to remember their positions |
| 18:07.05 | MoonWolf | That looks a lot better ker. |
| 18:07.09 | MoonWolf | then all the damn red. |
| 18:07.27 | Wobin | Used to stick frames |
| 18:07.33 | Wobin | No memory of position done |
| 18:08.08 | Mikma | well then it has no use to me :P |
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| 18:08.55 | Shyva | Yoow |
| 18:09.13 | Mikma | MoonWolf: but but, red is porn |
| 18:09.16 | Industrial | < Tain> wow using 7z... you really don't care if anyone uses them! |
| 18:09.26 | Industrial | I care, thats why I use 7zip |
| 18:09.36 | MoonWolf | i dont want porn in my UI, i want porn in my VLC |
| 18:09.45 | Industrial | lol |
| 18:09.56 | Mikma | MoonWolf: the red isn't visible all the times you remember? ;) |
| 18:10.09 | Mikma | only when you unlock the bars/bags/cast |
| 18:10.11 | MoonWolf | yes, but it still looks better this way. |
| 18:10.39 | Mikma | well i bet he made it 150% better than i did, no doubt in that :D |
| 18:12.11 | MoonWolf | cut yourself some slack |
| 18:12.12 | Mikma | i'm still not happy about the bags/microbutton positioning :P it's 1px too high and left or something |
| 18:12.50 | Mikma | why should i? i didn't finish the coding on that one :/ |
| 18:13.30 | kergoth | i havent finished the coding on.. well.. anything wow related |
| 18:13.31 | kergoth | :) |
| 18:13.44 | kergoth | other than aceoo, which is pretty much ready to roll |
| 18:14.12 | kergoth | need to finish the assist one, think i'll work on that tonight, not much too it, and i need the practice with the wow api |
| 18:14.18 | kergoth | s/too/to/ |
| 18:14.33 | Mikma | i wan't to make the frames stick to the place i drag them without other addons |
| 18:14.43 | MoonWolf | kergoth, the aceoo doesnt count, taht works fine outside the context of wowl |
| 18:14.50 | kergoth | MoonWolf: hehe, true |
| 18:15.12 | MoonWolf | you did a good job at redoing informatips. |
| 18:15.35 | kergoth | that poor addon needs picking back up, methinks |
| 18:15.50 | MoonWolf | It still works yust the same as you left it. |
| 18:16.39 | kergoth | nice. i should play with it some again |
| 18:17.17 | MoonWolf | Its living proff that well written code doesnt brake unless the api it is based on is changed. |
| 18:17.26 | MoonWolf | proof* |
| 18:17.39 | Mikma | what's informatips? |
| 18:18.29 | MoonWolf | A small tooltip addon that does nothing but format and colour the tooltip slightly different. |
| 18:18.43 | Amadeo | MoonWolf: Nice nickname |
| 18:18.45 | Mikma | does it have ToT? :D |
| 18:18.54 | Mikma | it's wlof |
| 18:19.03 | MoonWolf | Amadeo, informatips or my name ? |
| 18:19.11 | Amadeo | Your nick! it has no brackets! |
| 18:19.16 | MoonWolf | ah yeah |
| 18:19.19 | MoonWolf | that happen some time ago. |
| 18:19.35 | Amadeo | Wobin and I are free of underscores too |
| 18:19.36 | Amadeo | :D |
| 18:19.54 | Amadeo | haha |
| 18:20.47 | Mikma | kergoth: put the code you modified on net somewhere |
| 18:21.57 | Mikma | http://www.sub.se/wowstrip/dorkloltroll_wallpaper.jpg |
| 18:22.28 | CIA-17 | 03ckknight * r2397 10FuBar/: FuBar - changed to tagged BabbleLib (at 1.1) until next version of FuBar. |
| 18:27.06 | ckknight | I have an svn question |
| 18:27.13 | ckknight | I made the BabbleLib-1.2 branch |
| 18:27.23 | ckknight | now I want to move it back to the trunk |
| 18:27.27 | ckknight | how would I do this? |
| 18:27.44 | hyperChipmunk | svn merge, I think |
| 18:27.57 | kergoth | svn merge -rN:M /path/to/the/branch /path/to/the/trunk, hwere N through M are the revisions you want brought over |
| 18:28.06 | kergoth | see the help on the merge command |
| 18:32.58 | ckknight | well, let's hope this works |
| 18:33.17 | kergoth | if it doesnt, it can always be reverted. the joy of using an scm tool |
| 18:33.40 | MoonWolf | Not the mention the merge tool does its job pretty well. |
| 18:33.42 | MoonWolf | not perfect |
| 18:33.45 | MoonWolf | but pretty good. |
| 18:35.52 | ckknight | I have no idea if that worked or not |
| 18:37.44 | MoonWolf | Test it. |
| 18:41.10 | ckknight | crafty thinking |
| 18:43.57 | ckknight | nope |
| 18:43.59 | ckknight | apparently not |
| 18:44.05 | ckknight | TSVN is confusing |
| 18:50.11 | Mikma | kergoth: you here? |
| 18:52.46 | kergoth | Mikma: somewhat. i'm at work though, so can't get you my modifications until i get home. they're pretty straightforward though. |
| 18:53.23 | CIA-17 | 03ckknight * r2398 10BabbleLib/ (14 files in 10 dirs): BabbleLib - merged from 1.2 branch |
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| 18:54.28 | Mikma | kergoth: yeah but i still might copypaste something, who knows :) |
| 18:54.53 | CIA-17 | 03otravi * r2399 10oRA_MainTank/oRA_MainTank.lua: oRA_MainTank - Fixed the: wups, a little to many tanks "feature". |
| 18:55.02 | haste | typo :-( |
| 18:59.08 | CIA-17 | 03ckknight * r2400 10GratuityLib/Lib/GratuityLib.lua: GratuityLib - updated for BabbleLib 1.2 |
| 19:00.17 | maia | is it me, or are quite a few US realms still not up, while others are up for >1hr already? |
| 19:00.51 | kergoth | i presume today isnt 1.11 day? |
| 19:00.55 | maia | nope |
| 19:01.10 | hyperChipmunk | correct |
| 19:01.10 | maia | naxx isnt done yet I guess |
| 19:01.49 | haste | the shaman review isn't done yet |
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| 21:18.32 | *** topic/#wowace is wowace.com | ace.pastebin.com | http://www.lua.org/pil <-- READ IT | Everything works right up to the point were it doesn't. |
| 21:19.15 | Mikma | clad|gym: well i was only wondering about the layout saving, how do you do it etc |
| 21:20.12 | clad|gym | Mikma: There's a SaveFramePosition and RestoreFramePosition() in the code |
| 21:20.15 | clad|gym | take a look at that =) |
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| 21:20.48 | Mikma | clad|gym: i'll do that, and try to see can i do the same on MAMi :) |
| 21:21.02 | clad|gym | =) |
| 21:21.11 | clad|gym | its very simple if you have one main frame everythign is anchored to |
| 21:21.26 | MoonWolf | in 20 minutes i managed to find 3 sentinal muskets :O |
| 21:21.36 | MoonWolf | to bad its a grey item |
| 21:21.55 | clad|gym | http://pastebin.ca/62712 for those intersted |
| 21:22.05 | clad|gym | will parse your itemcache.wdb file and give you a csv listing of its contents in full |
| 21:23.12 | MoonWolf | cool |
| 21:23.21 | MoonWolf | useless to me |
| 21:23.25 | MoonWolf | but a cool feat. |
| 21:23.32 | Fissnx | C:\Programmer\World of Warcraft\Data\textures\minimapmask.blp is there such a file in a "clean" wow? Cause I really want to get square minimap all gone.. |
| 21:23.57 | MoonWolf | in a clean wow th whole textures mask does not exist |
| 21:24.11 | Fissnx | oh allright thanks :p |
| 21:24.24 | Mikma | Another reason for Cyclops not appearing that much may be that the actor, James Mardsen, was also working on Superman Returns, and his schedule was maybe a little tight. |
| 21:24.42 | MoonWolf | and that he was killed in the most stupid way ever |
| 21:24.52 | MoonWolf | by the worst ever worked out version of phoenix |
| 21:25.14 | MoonWolf | come on, phoenix had nothing to do with fire, or birds or cosmic powers. |
| 21:25.22 | maia | hmm. lua question. is there a simple way to count the length of a table? I have: roster[name].unitid, roster[name].class, roster[name].subgroup etc and would like to know how many [name]s I have. |
| 21:25.50 | kergoth | i think you should read the topic of this channel |
| 21:26.09 | MoonWolf | i agree. |
| 21:26.36 | maia | hrm. |
| 21:29.25 | maia | hm. all I can find now (and yes, I did read it a few days ago, wasnt different back then) is .getn. |
| 21:29.35 | maia | which doesnt work unless you setn I assume. |
| 21:30.04 | Ratbert_CP | Or use tinsert... |
| 21:30.25 | maia | yeah. but thats only for, uum, non-indexed arrays, right? |
| 21:30.37 | Ratbert_CP | local i = 0; for name, _ in pairs(roster) do i = i + 1 end return i |
| 21:30.41 | clad|gym | *nod* |
| 21:30.56 | maia | Ratbert_CP: well, that one was obvious - but I thought there's a shorter way. |
| 21:31.08 | clad|gym | you can make a wrapper insert function that does table.setn for you, and handles hash tables. |
| 21:31.23 | maia | hash tables? |
| 21:31.56 | maia | googling for "hash site:lua.org" doesn't return anything but C source code. |
| 21:32.03 | Ratbert_CP | clad|gym: How do you handle deleting values? |
| 21:32.12 | clad|gym | i meant non-integer-indexed tables. |
| 21:32.13 | clad|gym | sorry |
| 21:32.19 | clad|gym | Ratbert_CP: You can write a table.delete wrapper function =) |
| 21:32.25 | clad|gym | all depends on what you need, where to put the overhead =) |
| 21:32.39 | Ratbert_CP | True... |
| 21:32.43 | clad|gym | typically inserts and removes tend to be expensive.. so i tack stuff like that on there if i need to |
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| 21:35.21 | Ratbert_CP | Say, can TabletLib do dialog box like things? Something like a confirmation dialog? Or should I just wade into XML/Luacoded frames? |
| 21:35.38 | Ratbert_CP | s/should/do I have to/ |
| 21:35.46 | kergoth | cant wait for 1.11 and the new acegui and all |
| 21:35.58 | FryGuy | how's the new acegui coming along? |
| 21:36.12 | Ratbert_CP | Neither can I, but I also don't want to sit on my addon, waiting for vaporware... |
| 21:36.33 | kergoth | FryGuy: stalled pending additions from 1.11, afaik |
| 21:36.41 | FryGuy | ptr is up :p |
| 21:36.44 | Mikma | clad|gym: ok one more question. does PR remember the framepositions even if you enter the game without PR and come back PR enabled |
| 21:37.15 | clad|gym | Mikma: Absolutely |
| 21:37.18 | clad|gym | as does WatchDog |
| 21:37.21 | clad|gym | biggest complaint I had =) |
| 21:38.19 | Mikma | that's good :) |
| 21:39.19 | Ratbert_CP | Anyone know of a decent Luacode frame tutorial? |
| 21:39.56 | clad|gym | Ratbert_CP: Look at perfectraid's frame creation |
| 21:40.05 | clad|gym | its not a tutorial, but it should be easy to see what its doing |
| 21:43.11 | kergoth | do the positions in the layout cache go away if the addon that had them gets disabled, or only if you login without it in the addons dir at all? |
| 21:44.45 | snurre | hmm.. fubar on svn doesnt really work :( |
| 21:44.53 | kergoth | its svn, what do you expect |
| 21:45.00 | snurre | [23:44-84] Cannot find library instance with version 'Deformat 1.2' *cries* |
| 21:45.28 | clad|gym | kergoth: they go away anytime you dont run the addon for a session =/ |
| 21:45.41 | kergoth | thats awfully silly |
| 21:46.21 | Mikma | kergoth: so, where's the code, i wanna see it ;) |
| 21:47.19 | kergoth | at home, havent checked it into my addon svn yet i dont think |
| 21:48.21 | Mikma | still at work? okies then |
| 21:48.50 | CIA-17 | 03neronix * r2414 10NanoStats/ (. NanoStats.lua NanoStats.toc): NanoStats - Updated for BabbleLib Deformat 1.2 |
| 21:49.07 | kergoth | really isnt much to it, i let ifm do the legwork, just registered with it and cleaned up, removed the mamicast frame since i registered the casting frame directly with ifm, killed the lock/unlock stuff since i'm then using ifm's edit mode to position. didnt look into whether or not positions are remembered across addon disable/enable though |
| 21:49.22 | kergoth | yep, still at work for another, oh, 3 hours or so :\ |
| 21:49.38 | Neronix | Whoops, forgot to scroll down and I thought CIA ignored me :P |
| 21:49.46 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:49.47 | Mikma | aww crap, i will propably be sleeping when you get off |
| 21:50.11 | kergoth | well, i'll, as always, check my stuff into my addon svn, so you'll be able to get to it when you wake up |
| 21:50.29 | kergoth | bleh, today sucks |
| 21:50.33 | kergoth | purl: right? |
| 21:50.35 | purl | blah blah blah/spam spam spam/yaddayaddayaddayadda sis boom bam |
| 21:50.39 | kergoth | no |
| 21:50.41 | kergoth | ~today |
| 21:50.43 | purl | Tuesday sucks. |
| 21:50.47 | kergoth | purl: thank you |
| 21:50.47 | purl | pas de quoi, kergoth |
| 21:50.50 | Neronix | Agreed |
| 21:53.10 | Mikma | kergoth: was the url the one you pasted earlier |
| 21:55.04 | Ratbert_CP | Grrr... Is the Ace Wiki down? Well... Is it down for everyone else, or does it just hate me? ;) |
| 21:55.16 | kergoth | nod, kergoth.com/svn/wow is my addon set repo, trunk/KergothWOWBits in there is my Interface/ dir |
| 21:55.30 | CIA-17 | 03neronix * r2415 10FuBar_NanoStatsFu/readme.txt: NanoStatsFu - Modified readme slightly |
| 21:55.42 | Neronix | Ratbert_CP: Was down for me last time I checked |
| 21:55.47 | kergoth | Neronix: is nanostatsfu released yet? |
| 21:55.58 | Neronix | kergoth: Just going to submit to the big 3 sites now |
| 21:56.06 | kergoth | yay |
| 21:56.18 | Neronix | It's been finished on the SVN since saturday or sunday |
| 21:57.03 | Mikma | is Face/Off a good name for actionbar-addon ;) |
| 21:57.30 | Neronix | Ack, need screenshots before I submet >.< |
| 21:57.41 | Neronix | s/met/mit |
| 21:57.44 | Elkano | I'd rather use it for some mind control stuff ;) |
| 21:57.57 | Neronix | s/mit/mit// |
| 21:58.33 | Mikma | Elkano: shadowpriest addon "Face/Off"? |
| 21:58.52 | Elkano | hmmm... :) |
| 21:59.24 | Neronix | Face/Melt? ;P |
| 21:59.51 | Elkano | would ruin the gag... |
| 21:59.52 | Industrial | :P |
| 22:00.35 | Mikma | gremlins would be a good name for facemelter |
| 22:00.45 | Mikma | since they do melt if put in sunlight ;) |
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| 22:03.21 | ckknight_ | back |
| 22:04.18 | kergoth | it amuses me that the spelltips addon stealth changes your mind blast to show 'melt faces' |
| 22:04.31 | Industrial | :P |
| 22:04.49 | Industrial | lv 14-22 priest sucks :( |
| 22:05.00 | ckknight | snurre, where'd you get the error? |
| 22:05.03 | Mikma | Industrial: visiting nordrassil? |
| 22:05.04 | Neronix | I wish I could change Immolate to Burninate |
| 22:05.16 | kergoth | http://www.huffingtonpost.com/sam-seder/closetblogging-the-fma-_b_22328.html |
| 22:05.18 | Industrial | Mikma: I play my horde twink there :P |
| 22:05.24 | snurre | ckknight: when logging in after updating the entire FuBar from svn |
| 22:05.44 | snurre | [23:50-85] Cannot find library instance with version 'Zone 1.2' ---GloryLib.lua:20: attempt to call local `Z' (a nil value) ---BattlegroundFu.lua:6: attempt to index global `GloryLib' (a nil value) |
| 22:06.04 | snurre | [23:50-85] Cannot find library instance with version '1.0' ---LocationFu.lua:367: attempt to index a nil value |
| 22:06.38 | ckknight | okay, GloryLib is giving issues |
| 22:06.44 | ckknight | I'll just update BatFu then |
| 22:07.32 | Mikma | Industrial: i just got myself ontop of a pilar in IF, infront of priest/mage/paladin trainers :P |
| 22:08.40 | Neronix | Who's in charge of our page on CIA? |
| 22:09.24 | Mikma | the goverment of usa |
| 22:09.42 | snurre | i feel naked without fubar working! *panics* |
| 22:09.49 | snurre | lack so much info! |
| 22:09.58 | Neronix | Should be a description of the project there, that way people who are like "Hmm, who are these strange Ace guys who happen to be the 13th most active project?" get their question answered :P |
| 22:10.04 | ckknight | snurre, hang on |
| 22:10.11 | snurre | <3 |
| 22:10.49 | CIA-17 | 03ckknight * r2416 10FuBar_BattlegroundFu/ (. BattlegroundFu.lua FuBar_BattlegroundFu.toc): FuBar_BattlegroundFu - updated for BabbleLib-1.2 |
| 22:10.51 | ckknight | try that? |
| 22:10.53 | Neronix | and ckknight is today's 11th most active committer |
| 22:11.06 | ckknight | ? |
| 22:11.07 | Neronix | 10th now :P |
| 22:11.13 | ckknight | how are you getting this info? |
| 22:11.15 | Neronix | http://cia.navi.cx/ |
| 22:11.26 | ckknight | ah |
| 22:11.36 | ckknight | yea, I've been upgrading BabbleLib |
| 22:11.38 | ckknight | took a bit |
| 22:11.43 | Neronix | You're beating the rest of the open source world :P |
| 22:11.44 | ckknight | it's awfully shiny now, though |
| 22:11.44 | Neronix | I noticed |
| 22:14.19 | Mikma | http://wow.reaktio.net/IF.jpg |
| 22:15.04 | CIA-17 | 03ckknight * r2417 10AbacusLib/Lib/AbacusLib.lua: AbacusLib - updated asserts |
| 22:15.08 | phyber | bah. I was looking at your screenshot and tried to move the camera about :| |
| 22:16.00 | Mikma | heh, what do you wanna see? ;) |
| 22:17.02 | phyber | I was trying to look up a bit. not sure why. |
| 22:18.42 | snurre | updated bgfu |
| 22:18.46 | *** join/#wowace Sokurai (i=WinNT@67.170.207.76) |
| 22:18.51 | snurre | [00:18-87] Cannot find library instance with version 'Deformat 1.2' ---[00:18-87] Cannot find library instance with version 'Zone 1.2' |
| 22:18.52 | snurre | etc |
| 22:18.54 | snurre | same error |
| 22:19.12 | snurre | GloryLib.lua:20: attempt to call local `Z' (a nil value) ---HonorFu.lua:2: attempt to index global `GloryLib' (a nil value) ---TouristLib.lua:90: attempt to call local `Z' (a nil value) [00:18-87] Cannot find library instance with version '1.0' |
| 22:19.24 | snurre | now suddenly even LocationFu and TipBuddy bugs |
| 22:19.34 | Mikma | http://wow.reaktio.net/IF2.jpg ;) |
| 22:19.45 | ckknight | snurre, did you restart WoW? |
| 22:20.01 | snurre | yep |
| 22:20.53 | CIA-17 | 03ckknight * r2418 10CrayonLib/Lib/CrayonLib.lua: CrayonLib - added argument checking |
| 22:21.48 | snurre | restarted again |
| 22:21.49 | snurre | [00:21-89] Cannot find library instance with version 'Spell 1.2' ---TopScoreFu.lua:469: attempt to call a nil value --- |
| 22:22.59 | kergoth | having fun yet? |
| 22:23.13 | snurre | hah, i found the error |
| 22:23.18 | ckknight | what is it? |
| 22:23.19 | Mikma | in case i won't never play wow again, here's some exploration-stuff http://www.nogg-aholic.team.pro/ |
| 22:23.28 | snurre | at line 469, if spell == S"Attack" then |
| 22:23.35 | snurre | a little typo there |
| 22:24.49 | ckknight | where's the typo? |
| 22:24.53 | ckknight | I don't see a typo |
| 22:25.00 | Mikma | S"Attack" ? |
| 22:25.02 | ckknight | yea |
| 22:25.03 | ckknight | that's fine |
| 22:25.03 | snurre | S"Attack" |
| 22:25.11 | snurre | removed the S |
| 22:25.12 | snurre | and it works |
| 22:25.13 | ckknight | don't |
| 22:25.22 | ckknight | S is supposed to be there |
| 22:25.25 | ckknight | it's not a typo |
| 22:25.29 | snurre | well, it doesn't work anyhoe |
| 22:25.41 | Syzx | Question: I have several mods using Metrognome, and each mod uses it's own .lua for Metrognome. Do I waste resources here? |
| 22:25.42 | snurre | removed it, saved file, reloadui = fixed problem |
| 22:26.24 | ckknight | well, it's not a typo |
| 22:26.26 | ckknight | just so you know |
| 22:26.36 | snurre | kk |
| 22:26.41 | snurre | i wouldnt know :p |
| 22:26.44 | ckknight | found the bug |
| 22:26.46 | maia | ~seen Codayus |
| 22:26.51 | purl | codayus is currently on #wowi-lounge #wowace, last said: 'And while increased armor decreases the healing you need, that does suffer diminishing returns.'. |
| 22:27.02 | maia | purl, I don't believe you. |
| 22:27.05 | purl | You don't believe you.? |
| 22:27.25 | maia | purl, Codayus isn't online. |
| 22:27.33 | CIA-17 | 03ckknight * r2419 10FuBar_TopScoreFu/FuBar_TopScoreFu.toc: FuBar_TopScoreFu - fixed .toc |
| 22:29.05 | Syzx | Does it matter that 5 mods load their own Libs, while they share the same ones? |
| 22:29.26 | Syzx | Are all instances overwritten by the last one or something? |
| 22:29.55 | snurre | ckknight: updated from svn, back to old error |
| 22:30.07 | ckknight | Syzx, yes |
| 22:30.51 | kergoth | Syzx: not by the last one. only the most recent minor version is loaded, generally |
| 22:30.59 | kergoth | it isnt load order that controls it |
| 22:31.27 | Syzx | But with 5 mods i'm not loading 5x the same lib into my memory, is that correct? |
| 22:31.38 | snurre | now i only get [00:31-94] Cannot find library instance with version 'Spell 1.2' --- |
| 22:31.40 | ckknight | right, Syzx |
| 22:31.56 | ckknight | I need to update that so it tells who is calling it... |
| 22:36.22 | Syzx | is snv.wowace.com a bit slow or is it because i'm on the other side of the ocean? :( |
| 22:36.53 | maia | svn.wowace.com doesn't even work for me at the moment |
| 22:37.01 | maia | 500 Internal Server Error |
| 22:37.17 | Syzx | i'm connecting with TortoiseSVN |
| 22:37.25 | maia | oh. thats something else |
| 22:37.33 | Syzx | 1kb/sec max speed |
| 22:37.40 | Syzx | loading of the tree takes 30 seconsd |
| 22:41.02 | CIA-17 | 03maia * r2420 10Squishy/ (core.lua frames.lua roster.lua): Squishy: experimental new roster code. If it works, I might be able to remove a ton of checks in other functions. |
| 22:41.18 | Syzx | does it respond faster for you maia? |
| 22:42.05 | maia | 14 sec for loading /trunk |
| 22:45.21 | Neronix | http://neronix.ath.cx:8080/asexual_reproduction_of_tablets.jpg |
| 22:45.30 | Neronix | Remember folks, hacks are *never* good :P |
| 22:47.38 | ckknight | weird, Neronix |
| 22:47.45 | ckknight | how'd you do that? |
| 22:48.10 | Neronix | I took an externally created tablet and set its parent to FuBarPluginNanoStatsFuFrame |
| 22:48.22 | ckknight | right |
| 22:48.25 | Neronix | every time I mouseover its part of the panel, it'd clone itself |
| 22:48.51 | ckknight | odd |
| 22:49.07 | ckknight | once I finish with what I'm doing, I'll check it out |
| 22:49.13 | Neronix | Nah, it's my fauly |
| 22:49.15 | Neronix | *fault |
| 22:49.33 | Neronix | I told you about it when it first happened and you told me not to employ hacks :P |
| 22:49.33 | ckknight | oh? |
| 22:49.37 | ckknight | ah |
| 22:49.41 | ckknight | how do you do it, btw? |
| 22:50.17 | CIA-17 | 03ckknight * r2421 10FuBar_TopScoreFu/FuBar_TopScoreFu.toc: FuBar_TopScoreFu - changed good slashes (/) to evil slashes (\) in the .toc |
| 22:50.17 | ckknight | fixed, snurre |
| 22:50.24 | snurre | :D |
| 22:50.28 | Neronix | Somewhere in initialize() before I registered my tablet, I did NanoStats.TabletParent = FuBarPluginNanoStatsFuFrame |
| 22:50.51 | Neronix | and then registered with NanoStats.TabletParent as the parent |
| 22:50.58 | ckknight | hrm |
| 22:51.29 | Neronix | It didn't work right anyway. It didn't stay on screen if you put the panel part near the edges and it didn't move down if you put it in a lower panel |
| 22:52.10 | CIA-17 | 03ckknight * r2422 10GloryLib/Lib/GloryLib.lua: GloryLib - added argument checking |
| 22:53.06 | Neronix | I changed it into something much cleaner with no hacky bits. Check out the NanoStats code if you want |
| 22:53.19 | Industrial | haste: lv 18 |
| 22:53.20 | Industrial | nn |
| 23:03.08 | Ratbert_CP | Hmmm... TabletLib can't do buttons... At least, not in the traditional, side-by-side layout... |
| 23:07.04 | ckknight | right |
| 23:07.08 | ckknight | yet. |
| 23:07.32 | ckknight | btw, Neronix TabletLib can take arbitrary strings as parents now |
| 23:08.03 | CIA-17 | 03ckknight * r2423 10AbacusLib/Lib/AbacusLib.lua: AbacusLib - updated arg checking algorithm. |
| 23:08.50 | kergoth | abacuslib? |
| 23:08.55 | Neronix | ckknight: That's what I'm doing |
| 23:09.11 | ckknight | kergoth, yea, it handles money/time formatting |
| 23:09.12 | ckknight | oh, btw |
| 23:09.32 | ckknight | how hard would it be to sneak in my library assert/arg checking code into AceLibrary? ;-) |
| 23:10.06 | ckknight | it's two functions, assert, which handles just like a normal assert only raises errors above the library instead of at the library |
| 23:10.24 | ckknight | and argCheck, which checks arguments and throws a standard error |
| 23:10.28 | ckknight | also above the library |
| 23:11.09 | ckknight | cause I use it for like all my libs |
| 23:11.13 | ckknight | so damn handy |
| 23:12.24 | ckknight | so you'd do self:assert(condition [, "message"]) |
| 23:12.46 | Ratbert_CP | TabletLib can't even fake it by creating new tablets parented to an existing frame... |
| 23:12.57 | ckknight | and self:argCheck(argument, position, "kind" [, "kind2" [, "kind3" [, "kind4" ] ] ]) |
| 23:13.22 | ckknight | Ratbert_CP, one tablet per frame |
| 23:13.43 | Ratbert_CP | What about tablets per tablet.... ;) |
| 23:13.59 | ckknight | no |
| 23:14.45 | Ratbert_CP | Actually, I'd be thrilled with individual functions per column per line, and turning off the right-button menu. |
| 23:15.21 | ckknight | yea, I want to have a right-button override |
| 23:15.28 | ckknight | doing columns per line would be tough |
| 23:15.45 | ckknight | cause it's currently one button per line |
| 23:15.51 | ckknight | I'd have to revamp how it's done |
| 23:17.05 | Ratbert_CP | yeah... But it'd be so nifty! :) And you'd have to have options for spacing and borders, etc., etc. |
| 23:17.44 | ckknight | think of CPU drain |
| 23:17.53 | Ratbert_CP | Yeah... |
| 23:18.14 | ckknight | kergoth, answer me? |
| 23:18.31 | Ratbert_CP | I suppose I should prbably bite the bullet and either beat a StaticPopup into submission, or whip up a simple XML dialog box... |
| 23:19.06 | ckknight | ew, XML |
| 23:19.24 | CIA-17 | 03maia * r2424 10Squishy/roster.lua: Squishy: removed debug spam. |
| 23:20.09 | Ratbert_CP | Well, I can't get StaticPopup to pass enough parameters, and I want to leave AceGUI as an optional dep. |
| 23:21.01 | ckknight | libs ftw |
| 23:23.17 | Ratbert_CP | Yes. BagBoy only *requires* Ace and Timex. But it's got a puttload of optionals. |
| 23:23.27 | Ratbert_CP | s/putt/butt/ |
| 23:23.58 | ckknight | what's it use Timex for? |
| 23:25.32 | Codayus | Hmmm |
| 23:25.34 | Codayus | Grrr. |
| 23:25.37 | Codayus | I want to play WoW. |
| 23:25.42 | ckknight | I doubt that |
| 23:25.51 | Codayus | But my server is down for another... 3 and a half hours. |
| 23:25.54 | Codayus | In theory. |
| 23:26.06 | Codayus | I expect it'll be 2-3 times that. :-( |
| 23:27.21 | Ratbert_CP | ckknight: I do occasional delays. No throttled OnUpdate, so no real need for Metrognome |
| 23:27.29 | ckknight | hrm |
| 23:27.58 | ckknight | I sometimes use metrognome for once-firing waits |
| 23:28.11 | ckknight | e.g. start it, wait five seconds, it runs, it stops |
| 23:28.14 | Thrae | What's the difference between Metrognome and Timex? |
| 23:28.24 | ckknight | Metrognome is a lib, written by Tekkub |
| 23:28.27 | Thrae | Well, difference in goals. |
| 23:28.42 | ckknight | primarily for many subsequent fires a la OnUpdate |
| 23:28.53 | ckknight | Timex is a standalone, written by Rowne |
| 23:29.02 | ckknight | I don't like Timex |
| 23:29.14 | Thrae | I know that...I just meant, what is Timex's goal compared to Metrognome? They seem to do the same thing, ultimately. |
| 23:30.06 | Thrae | I know Tekkub, he's just as much as efficiency whore as Rowne, but Tekkub is also a documentation whore, where as Rowne isn't. |
| 23:30.24 | Thrae | s/much as/much as an/. |
| 23:30.35 | Syzx | are the US servers down? |
| 23:31.19 | Thrae | Rowne likes to intentionally obsfucate his code, because he believes anyone using his libraries or code should know exactly what every piece does. I always disagreed with that. |
| 23:31.38 | ckknight | me too |
| 23:31.51 | ckknight | I want my code to work like a black box |
| 23:32.04 | ckknight | so that you don't have to tamper with it to make it do what you want |
| 23:32.12 | ckknight | and there's lots of documentation for it |
| 23:32.22 | ckknight | but I also made it nicely laid out and all |
| 23:32.31 | ckknight | so that you can easily poke around and add stuff you see necessary |
| 23:32.45 | ckknight | I am _really_ not against people adding arbitrary stuff to my code if they think it's good |
| 23:32.51 | Thrae | Yeah, you shouldn't need to know how Foo() works if you need to know basically how Bar() works. |
| 23:33.13 | ckknight | well, more what it does rather than how it works |
| 23:33.20 | Thrae | Right. |
| 23:33.25 | Thrae | That's what I meant :D |
| 23:33.36 | ckknight | US servers aren't down, btw |
| 23:35.56 | CIA-17 | 03ckknight * r2425 10BabbleLib/ (7 files in 7 dirs): BabbleLib - updated argument checking |
| 23:36.43 | CIA-17 | 03ckknight * r2426 10CrayonLib/Lib/CrayonLib.lua: CrayonLib - updated argument checking |
| 23:36.46 | Neronix | Just when I've submitted to the 3 sites >.> |
| 23:37.18 | ckknight | see, this is why you need to automatic updater |
| 23:37.31 | Neronix | (FOR MORE (And rather interesting and important :P) INFORMATION ABOUT NANOSTATS ITSELF, PLEASE LOOK FOR ITS OWN ENTRY ON THIS SITE) |
| 23:37.32 | Neronix | What is NanoStatsFu? |
| 23:37.34 | Neronix | Short answer: NanoStatsFu brings the data from NanoStats into FuBar. |
| 23:37.35 | Neronix | CRAP |
| 23:37.36 | Neronix | Longer (And more important and interesting) answer: NanoStatsFu integrates (Key word) NanoStats into FuBar with minimal overhead. |
| 23:37.42 | Neronix | fuck, fuck fuck, wrong paste |
| 23:37.48 | CIA-17 | 03ckknight * r2427 10CrayonLib/Lib/CrayonLib.lua: CrayonLib - fixed typo |
| 23:38.15 | Mikma | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4552125647112728542 |
| 23:38.23 | Neronix | kergoth: http://wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?s=&id=5040 - here you go |
| 23:38.26 | Mikma | seems like i have to make bloodelf shaman or so |
| 23:40.13 | snurre | gotta love one of the bugs on expansion alpha.. according to bug db it's an error that belfs can choose warriors, but not that they can choose paladins :p |
| 23:43.06 | CIA-17 | 03ckknight * r2428 10GloryLib/Lib/GloryLib.lua: GloryLib - updated arg checking |
| 23:43.33 | kergoth | Neronix: yay :) grats on the release |
| 23:45.33 | ckknight | kergoth, ? |
| 23:46.26 | Neronix | NSFu released: Take that rophy! |
| 23:47.08 | Neronix | s/t /t, / |
| 23:49.06 | Syzx | i wonder what raid colors bloodelfs and draenei will get |
| 23:50.42 | *** join/#wowace Parak (i=PROFI@user-0cev737.cable.mindspring.com) |
| 23:52.19 | Galka_ | Could someone explain to this inept retard what the 3 main directories in the SVN mean? What's trunk? What's tags? What's branches? |
| 23:53.26 | ckknight | you being the inept retard? |
| 23:53.44 | Galka_ | But of course. |
| 23:53.47 | ckknight | alright |
| 23:53.54 | ckknight | trunk: where main development happens |
| 23:54.00 | ckknight | this is also sometimes called "upstream" |
| 23:54.11 | ckknight | e.g. to get a patch upstream |
| 23:54.18 | ckknight | means to put it in trunk |
| 23:54.23 | ckknight | tags: |
| 23:54.31 | ckknight | special frozen releases |
| 23:54.45 | ckknight | I put BabbleLib-1.1 into tags |
| 23:54.57 | ckknight | so you'll always be able to get the 1.1 version there |
| 23:55.03 | ckknight | without fear of API change |
| 23:55.05 | ckknight | and such |
| 23:55.12 | ckknight | cause it'll _never_ be 1.2 |
| 23:55.21 | ckknight | 1.2 is now developed in trunk |
| 23:55.24 | ckknight | branches: |
| 23:55.32 | Galka_ | So if i download something on Trunk (which I presume is where the new code/patches go into) and it doesn't work |
| 23:55.34 | kergoth | upstream is generally more broad than that. it means where your code comes from. that which is upstream flows downstream (think of a river). it doesn't generally refer to any specific repository layout, nor even than a repository exists. its simply the project and its official maintainer, as opposed to other sources |
| 23:55.38 | Galka_ | I go to tags and get the older, working version? |
| 23:55.42 | Galka_ | Assuming its on tags. |
| 23:55.51 | ckknight | yea |
| 23:55.55 | Galka_ | Got it |
| 23:55.55 | ckknight | depends on the dev, Galka_ |
| 23:56.01 | ckknight | branches: this is where specialized development happens |
| 23:56.07 | ckknight | API breakage |
| 23:56.12 | ckknight | before you move to trunk |
| 23:56.14 | ckknight | and such |
| 23:56.16 | kergoth | some devs like to branch off for major development, others like to do major stuff on the trunk and branch off stable |
| 23:56.19 | ckknight | or if you don't have trunk access |
| 23:56.29 | ckknight | yea |
| 23:56.35 | ckknight | Tekkub has a lot of stuff in branches |
| 23:56.42 | ckknight | stuff he hacked on from other author's work |
| 23:56.45 | Galka | Ok so for my purposes, to get the latest release of a file, I want to go to trunk? |
| 23:56.49 | ckknight | yep |
| 23:56.52 | ckknight | typically |
| 23:56.56 | Galka | That's what I wanted to know most of all. |
| 23:57.01 | ckknight | you'll find a semi-near-stable version in trunk |
| 23:57.01 | Galka | Thank you for taking the time to explain it to me. |
| 23:57.40 | kergoth | from the perspective of a CM, active development on a trunk and branching off stable releases involves less issues, since there's generally far fewer major merges |
| 23:58.03 | CIA-17 | 03ckknight * r2429 10TouristLib/Lib/TouristLib.lua: TouristLib - added argument checking |
| 23:58.16 | ckknight | kergoth, wouldn't you tag it as stable? |
| 23:58.20 | ckknight | or so? |
| 23:59.10 | kergoth | general process would be, for example, you'd tag the current release (say, 1.2), then branch off for bugfixes (i.e. a future 1.2.1, on the 1.x stable branch), and continue 2.0 on the trunk |
