00:13.41 | CIA-17 | 03cladhaire * r1801 10/branches/Clique/Clique.lua: Clique: Spellbook loads and allows tab/page changes. |
00:14.06 | cladhaire | I think i'm going to steal EasyRaids flyout type menu. |
00:17.31 | Tekcub | okey, new server time... who here's got a nice guild willing to take in newbies on a PvE or RP hordeside US server? |
00:17.53 | *** join/#wowace Tem (n=Tem@ip70-177-40-169.br.br.cox.net) |
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00:18.06 | cladhaire | Tek: I'm guildless on Kael'thas |
00:18.08 | cladhaire | we can start a guild =) |
00:18.58 | cladhaire | but i dont pkay there all that often =) |
00:19.00 | Tem | yo, cladmonster |
00:19.01 | cladhaire | youc an be GM |
00:19.04 | CIA-17 | 03tekkub * r1802 10FuBar_CorkFu/ (BuffTemplate.lua ClassMage.lua): |
00:19.04 | CIA-17 | FuBar_CorkFu |
00:19.04 | CIA-17 | - Mage modules added |
00:19.04 | CIA-17 | - Added assert to Buff template to make sure a default spell is defined for multi-spell items |
00:19.07 | Tem | Hakker |
00:19.08 | cladhaire | Tem: Yes TemTacular? |
00:19.11 | Tem | now |
00:19.15 | cladhaire | I have alliance on Hakkar |
00:19.22 | Tekcub | hrm.... |
00:19.22 | cladhaire | not Hakker, cause Hakker doesn't exist imo |
00:19.51 | Tekcub | I kinda want an established, mature guild, and I do NOT want to be in charge |
00:19.54 | Tekcub | I'm so over that |
00:20.01 | cladhaire | hehe |
00:20.51 | Tem | cladhaire: horde on Hakkar |
00:21.57 | cladhaire | Tem: =( |
00:22.00 | cladhaire | what did you roll over there? |
00:22.03 | Tem | rogue |
00:22.09 | cladhaire | I'll roll my BE warlock over there. |
00:22.15 | Tem | ah, cool |
00:22.15 | Tekcub | erf |
00:22.23 | Tekcub | so... uh... |
00:22.28 | Tekcub | whothewhatnow? |
00:22.32 | Tem | if I get sufficiently pissed with my alliance guild, I'll re-roll my mage there |
00:22.39 | Tem | either UD or BE |
00:22.54 | Tekcub | Tauren got so assraped on classes |
00:23.02 | Tekcub | I want me galkan WHM back! |
00:23.13 | Tekcub | galka RDM isn't the same... |
00:23.19 | Tekcub | I mean, tauren druid |
00:26.58 | Tekcub | *poke poke* seriously guys, know any good guilds... having a nice mature guild is central to us enjoying our reroll |
00:27.16 | Tekcub | don't care about PvP or endgame PvE... just need company |
00:28.53 | weab | roll a toon on one of the new servers with new hardware |
00:29.24 | Wobin_ | Tekcub: The Draenei look pretty galkaish |
00:29.29 | Wobin_ | With the tail and all |
00:31.12 | Tekcub | yes wob |
00:31.28 | Tekcub | Zanon and I are already discussing revivng our galka duo |
00:31.31 | Tekcub | :) |
00:31.49 | Tekcub | we had a WHM / WAR duo for some time, we kicked ass |
00:31.59 | Wobin_ | I love the male Draenei dance |
00:32.09 | Wobin_ | Someone -so- has to make a bollywood productoin =P |
00:32.13 | Tekcub | I need to watch the damn previews |
00:32.28 | Tekcub | only looked at screenies so far |
00:40.49 | Wobin_ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtITjNvaBlc |
00:40.54 | Wobin_ | Male Draenei dance =P |
00:41.01 | Wobin_ | TUNAK TUNAK! |
00:45.57 | cladhaire | <3 tunak tunak |
00:47.21 | Wobin_ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpAIr3AH9tk&search=tunak%20tunak |
00:47.23 | Wobin_ | DA DA DA! |
00:55.32 | cladhaire | thats one of the better sync'd videos. |
00:56.55 | CIA-17 | 03tekkub * r1803 10FuBar_CorkFu/ClassMage.lua: FuBar_CorkFu - Fixed AI icon in mage modules |
00:57.02 | Wobin_ | Which isn't saying much =) |
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01:20.02 | Tain | Someone just suggested, I am HOPING jokingly but I actually don't know for sure, that we should form a guild named <CTRL ALT ELITE> |
01:33.08 | Tem | Tain: I <3 that idea |
02:02.42 | Tem | cladhaire: is there a way to scale PR? |
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02:05.00 | cladhaire | Tem: /praid scale 0.5 |
02:05.03 | cladhaire | learn2slashcmd |
02:05.16 | Tem | I looked |
02:05.20 | Tem | but I must have overlooked |
02:05.23 | cladhaire | =) |
02:05.25 | cladhaire | should be there. |
02:05.29 | cladhaire | if not, just scale PerfectRaidFrame |
02:06.07 | Tem | I tried directly scaling it |
02:06.13 | Tem | it resets to 1 on the next update |
02:06.25 | Tem | but the slash command works |
02:06.40 | cladhaire | lol |
02:06.43 | cladhaire | thats why it reset =) |
02:15.25 | Tem | god damn praid kicks so much ass |
02:17.28 | cladhaire | hahah |
02:17.33 | cladhaire | wait til i fix all the dumb shit |
02:19.50 | cladhaire | i'm very happy with where its going tho |
02:19.59 | cladhaire | i just need to get it ready to run for good. |
02:21.23 | Gngsk | I need to try praid |
02:21.30 | cladhaire | you should |
02:21.56 | Gngsk | I tried ora and bigwigs tonight in bwl |
02:22.02 | Gngsk | don't think I'll be able to go back to ctra |
02:22.29 | cladhaire | soon you won't even need ora |
02:22.33 | cladhaire | unless you want main tank stuff. |
02:22.47 | Gngsk | hmm |
02:23.57 | cladhaire | ./rs and /raready are coming into the default UI |
02:24.13 | Gngsk | ahh, right |
02:24.16 | Tekcub | this is gonna sound oh so wrong... |
02:24.28 | Tekcub | just watched the new BC trailer... |
02:24.31 | cladhaire | k |
02:24.44 | Tekcub | and it's nice that they got a deep-voiced guy... but it's not THE deep voiced guy |
02:24.51 | cladhaire | they needed Michael Dorn |
02:25.00 | cladhaire | Worf is teh Warcraft |
02:25.02 | Tekcub | that woulda worked too |
02:25.10 | cladhaire | no, he's done a bunch of them |
02:25.17 | Tekcub | I swear some of the humans sound like Worfy |
02:26.02 | cladhaire | ok |
02:26.03 | cladhaire | im tired |
02:26.05 | cladhaire | night folks |
02:26.09 | Cairenn | night clad|sleep |
02:26.19 | Tekcub | buhbye! |
02:27.14 | CIA-17 | 03cladhaire * r1804 10/branches/Clique/Clique.lua: Clique: Fixed the issues with panel creation. Need to get the scrollframe working now. |
02:27.18 | clad|sleep | someone try to break the spellbook |
02:27.22 | clad|sleep | i know the scrollframe doesn't work |
02:27.23 | clad|sleep | =) |
02:27.52 | clad|sleep | but try to break something |
02:34.03 | Wobin_ | Tekcub: BC? |
02:34.17 | Tekcub | expansion |
02:34.25 | Wobin_ | ohyeah |
02:38.28 | Wobin_ | Can anyone think of why a texture might fail to actually show, even when properly setpointed, and definitely loaded? |
02:38.43 | Wobin_ | I'm getting a sort of greyed out texture in place of the one I'm after |
02:38.55 | Wobin_ | Like a mask |
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03:00.22 | Wobin_ | okay |
03:00.24 | Wobin_ | I need a name =P |
03:00.36 | Wobin_ | For my IM addon |
03:01.04 | Wobin_ | I only have the graphical functionality in place atm, but it's getting there |
03:02.16 | weab | IM? |
03:02.34 | Wobin_ | Instant Messenging |
03:02.56 | weab | you mean a way to converse with other players? in a private medium? |
03:03.23 | Wobin_ | Not really. It's more an extension of the current system |
03:03.34 | Wobin_ | in that conversations are placed into their own windows |
03:03.37 | Wobin_ | which you can move around |
03:04.06 | weab | you mean like if you clicked "create new window" and set it to filter everything but whispers? |
03:04.16 | Wobin_ | aye on an individual basis |
03:04.26 | Wobin_ | So you'd have a window for each person speaking to you |
03:04.38 | Wobin_ | and any response tped in that window would respond to that person specifically |
03:05.00 | Wobin_ | Basically like ICQ or AIM or MSNMessenger really |
03:10.28 | weab | call it switchboard |
03:13.45 | Wobin_ | hm =) |
03:13.53 | Wobin_ | Or Operator |
03:13.59 | Wobin_ | But I like Switchboard |
03:14.06 | Cairenn | something similar to ForgottenLord's? http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4403 |
03:14.13 | Cairenn | and yeah, I like switchboard |
03:15.00 | Cairenn | fwiw |
03:15.56 | Wobin_ | Cairenn: Similar functionality =) Here, I'll upload what I've done for the moment so you can see |
03:16.04 | Wobin_ | I'm going more for a tabbed window approach |
03:16.20 | Wobin_ | You can drag the tabs from the starting window to create a new one, and move tabs between windows |
03:16.22 | Cairenn | was just making sure I was following, before weighing in on the name vote |
03:20.03 | CIA-17 | 03wobin * r1805 10SwitchBoard/ (. SwitchBoard.lua SwitchBoard.toc): |
03:20.04 | CIA-17 | SwitchBoard - Initial import: Messaging system using tabbed windows. |
03:20.04 | CIA-17 | - Not fully functional apart from the graphical interface |
03:22.38 | Cairenn | btw, that wasn't said to discourage you from continuing with yours .. as I said, was just making sure I had the right idea in mind |
03:22.45 | Wobin_ | hehe =) |
03:23.00 | Wobin_ | I'm doing this more for myself than anyone else =) |
03:23.17 | Cairenn | well, I'd hope you guys know me well enough after all these months ... |
03:23.25 | Wobin_ | Naturally |
03:24.13 | CIA-17 | 03wobin * r1806 10SwitchBoard/ (. SwitchBoard.toc): SwitchBoard - Added in externals for emblibs and updated toc |
03:24.44 | weab | i was kinda leaning towards making fun of you because it sounded redundent/unnecessary, but after a few minutes i decided it sounded useful :P |
03:24.47 | CIA-17 | 03wobin * r1807 10FreezeFrameLib/Lib/FreezeFrameLib.lua: FreezeFrameLib - Updated to deal better with textures. |
03:24.53 | Wobin_ | Hehe =) |
03:24.57 | Wobin_ | Go play with ti |
03:25.12 | Wobin_ | break it for me, if you can. All that's there is the widgety functionality |
03:26.46 | Cairenn | I get called redundant and unnecessary all the time :( |
03:26.49 | Wobin_ | Rightclickdrag will move the window, left click on tabs will activate that chat, and shift leftclick will allow you to drag tabs off the current window into a new one, or onto an existing ong |
03:28.26 | weab | do you work for the government or something? |
03:29.29 | Cairenn | it was a joke ... /roll eyes |
03:29.35 | weab | :P |
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04:05.47 | Kaelten | anyone have any clue how to use tablet? |
04:13.13 | Wobin_ | No =P |
04:13.19 | Wobin_ | I'd like to know though =P |
04:19.48 | CIA-17 | 03tekkub * r1808 10FuBar_CorkFu/ (ClassHunter.lua Core.lua): |
04:19.48 | CIA-17 | FuBar_CorkFu |
04:19.48 | CIA-17 | - Added icons to hunter aspects |
04:19.48 | CIA-17 | - Tweaked an assert in core to be more descriptive |
04:56.27 | Tain | It just hit me one of the big reasons I dislike the new curse layout so much. The columns are static. Content doesn't dynamically resize with the browser width. |
05:54.12 | haste | hmm, every PvE orientated guild on my server migrated, except one on horde side |
05:54.24 | haste | (a total of 21 guilds) |
06:07.47 | haste | on the other hand - I have 12ms in orgrimmar |
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06:10.18 | Amadeo_ | Good morning :P |
06:10.31 | haste | morning |
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06:13.11 | Amadeo_ | No other alivers? |
06:14.05 | Amadeo_ | I know Soku is alive |
06:14.08 | Amadeo_ | and I bet he's on a laptop |
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06:25.13 | Elkano | hyperChipmunk, are you there? |
06:27.05 | [MoonWolf] | well he has been inactive for an hour or 30..... |
06:27.08 | [MoonWolf] | so I doubt it. |
06:27.43 | Elkano | k... |
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06:43.13 | [MoonWolf] | http://cgi.ebay.com/Genuine-Vintage-PET-ROCK-w-Crate-Care-Booklet-NR_W0QQitemZ6628443376QQcategoryZ3224QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
06:59.25 | [MoonWolf] | http://thedailywtf.com/forums/72605/PostAttachment.aspx |
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07:15.32 | [MoonWolf] | Smart: Finding an old 8x Backpack CD Drive that is compatible with damn near everything, testing it, verifying that it works properly, and making the decision to keep it in the workshop in case I ever have to work on an old system with a non-functional CD Drive and no USB ports. |
07:15.32 | [MoonWolf] | Stupid: Burning the drivers for said backpack CD Drive to a CD. |
07:20.55 | Soku[Laptop] | lawl |
07:20.57 | Industrial | [MoonWolf]: http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php/topic,1429.msg24617.html#msg24617 |
07:21.35 | [MoonWolf] | hmm |
07:21.40 | [MoonWolf] | that really is getting bad. |
07:21.43 | Industrial | yeah |
07:21.49 | Industrial | there was a freekin sticky for it |
07:29.08 | [MoonWolf] | there |
07:29.22 | [MoonWolf] | and no more talking about that in that topic indu |
07:30.37 | Industrial | [MoonWolf]: ok thanks |
07:31.04 | [MoonWolf] | I wanted to go delete delete ban for a second there though. |
07:31.20 | Industrial | i have karma? |
07:31.22 | Industrial | :P |
07:31.38 | Industrial | -4 hah :P |
07:31.56 | [MoonWolf] | I have +4 |
07:33.01 | CIA-17 | 03maia * r1809 10Squishy/ (core.lua locals.lua): Squishy: should now also work for non healing classes (added class modifiers) |
07:33.18 | Industrial | yay@maia |
07:33.32 | Industrial | there was a suggestion to unload it for non healing classes |
07:33.49 | Industrial | but i think you should do that with the built in thingy by blizzard |
07:33.51 | Industrial | (or ace) |
07:34.07 | Industrial | no wait ace disables it for all chars |
07:57.21 | *** topic/#wowace by [MoonWolf] -> wowace.com | ace.pastebin.com | Everything works before it stops working. |
08:13.00 | [Ammo] | morning |
08:13.27 | [MoonWolf] | morning ammo |
08:19.07 | [Ammo] | I have a problem with Ace 1.3.1 |
08:19.24 | [Ammo] | Ace 1.3 worked fine with Hooks (in Necronomicon) but 1.3.1 seems to have broken it |
08:19.32 | [MoonWolf] | no, that cannot be, it must be your own fault. |
08:19.33 | [Ammo] | there's probably some API change i missed, or something I did wrong in the first place |
08:19.38 | Industrial | klamah owns |
08:19.41 | Industrial | kalmah* |
08:19.53 | [Ammo] | well Ace 1.3 works, 1.3.1 doesn't ( from WOWI) |
08:19.58 | [MoonWolf] | hmmm |
08:20.00 | Industrial | its so raw, so brutish :D |
08:20.02 | [Ammo] | so I probably do something wrong |
08:20.11 | [Ammo] | just wondering what ;) |
08:20.14 | [MoonWolf] | there are ace's on the svn too, get the rc 3 tag. |
08:20.18 | [MoonWolf] | see what that does. |
08:20.30 | [Ammo] | does anyone have a working hooking thing with 1.3.1 that I can take a look at? |
08:20.48 | [MoonWolf] | mendeleev runs under 1.3.1 rc3 |
08:20.56 | [Ammo] | does it hook stuff? |
08:20.59 | [MoonWolf] | but it only features function hooks. |
08:21.07 | [Ammo] | I hook things like UseAction |
08:21.27 | [Ammo] | and call the original registering the spell etc |
08:22.35 | [MoonWolf] | in this trend oldfunc = useaction; useaction = function () oldfunc(); end ? but with the acehooks ? |
08:22.46 | [Ammo] | with self:Hook |
08:23.05 | [Ammo] | I see a difference though |
08:23.11 | [Ammo] | <PROTECTED> |
08:23.24 | [Ammo] | self:Hook("CastSpell", "OnCastSpell", Necronomicon ) |
08:23.28 | [Ammo] | from Necronomicon |
08:23.34 | [MoonWolf] | yes that one is an exception to the rule as its not a tooltip. |
08:23.58 | [Ammo] | I think I should just remove the arguments and name the function CastSpell |
08:23.59 | [MoonWolf] | for a more easy to comprihend version |
08:24.30 | [MoonWolf] | grab a 6.0 or 5.0 version |
08:24.43 | [Ammo] | I'm looking at the syntax atm |
08:25.01 | [Ammo] | and what I am doing different is naming my hook OnCastSpell |
08:25.15 | [Ammo] | whereas others just use the original name |
08:25.34 | [MoonWolf] | self:Hook(GameTooltip, "SetLootRollItem", "GameTooltip_SetLootRollItem") |
08:25.42 | [MoonWolf] | function Mendeleev:GameTooltip_SetLootRollItem(id) |
08:25.42 | [MoonWolf] | self:CallHook(GameTooltip, "SetLootRollItem", id) |
08:25.42 | [MoonWolf] | local link = GetLootRollItemLink(id) |
08:25.42 | [MoonWolf] | Mendeleev:ParseTooltip(GameTooltip,link) |
08:25.43 | [MoonWolf] | end |
08:26.03 | [Ammo] | I might be using the api a bit wrong or sometihng |
08:26.05 | [Ammo] | meh |
08:26.07 | [Ammo] | I'll change it |
08:26.12 | [Ammo] | see if I can get it to work |
08:26.23 | [MoonWolf] | or bug cladhaire if you really need to |
08:26.25 | [MoonWolf] | he wrote it. |
08:26.39 | [MoonWolf] | the hooking code in ace. |
08:27.26 | [Ammo] | yeah |
08:34.53 | Industrial | beautiful piece of music |
08:41.54 | [MoonWolf] | wow |
08:41.57 | [MoonWolf] | I want that. |
08:41.59 | Industrial | :P |
08:42.45 | [Ammo] | I got punched in the face by the bass player |
08:42.48 | [Ammo] | does that count? :) |
08:42.52 | Industrial | lol |
08:42.55 | [Ammo] | lowlands 2000 |
08:43.06 | [Ammo] | I was backstage and photographed his worn out sminckl |
08:43.11 | Industrial | you climbed on stage? |
08:43.12 | Industrial | oh lol |
08:43.18 | Industrial | ouch ; |
08:43.19 | Industrial | ;x |
08:43.21 | [Ammo] | he didn't like it |
08:43.22 | [Ammo] | :) |
08:44.10 | Neronix | morning |
08:45.02 | [MoonWolf] | [Ammo], that would work too. |
08:45.07 | [MoonWolf] | I want the pictures. |
08:45.11 | Industrial | :P |
08:49.11 | [Ammo] | hehe |
09:22.15 | [MoonWolf] | http://www.pcweenies.org/toon_archive.php?toon=799 |
09:25.09 | *** topic/#wowace by [MoonWolf] -> wowace.com | ace.pastebin.com | Users are like Slinkys, they aren't good for anything, but they still give you a smile when you push them down the stairs |
09:27.21 | Neronix | Hehe |
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09:37.35 | Industrial | [MoonWolf]: do you know if this really is CoB? i cant believe it its.. its so different... |
09:37.43 | [MoonWolf] | hmmm |
09:37.55 | [MoonWolf] | dont have that song.... |
09:38.27 | [MoonWolf] | http://www.darkelucidation.com/children_of_bodom_discography.php <- yep |
09:38.54 | Industrial | ah bet its a cover then |
09:38.59 | Industrial | like iron, steel, metal |
09:39.07 | [MoonWolf] | could be |
09:40.02 | Industrial | i have something wild, downfall, hatebreeder, follow the reaper and hate crew deathroll |
09:40.08 | Industrial | from there on they start sucking more :( |
09:40.48 | [MoonWolf] | I have, to many within temptation songs |
09:41.10 | [MoonWolf] | all the album ones and way to many live ones. |
09:41.33 | Industrial | meh within temptation |
09:41.37 | Industrial | they need a new act |
09:41.44 | Industrial | too much 'wavy arm thingy' |
09:41.49 | Neronix | Previewed them once and I couldn't stand em :( |
09:41.49 | [MoonWolf] | hmm |
09:42.10 | [MoonWolf] | smites* |
09:42.49 | [MoonWolf] | therion is good too |
09:42.51 | Wobin_ | wooty |
09:42.52 | Wobin_ | If so, I suggest that you download and install Firefox 2.0 Alpha "Bon Echo". Not only do they seem to have fixed this memory problem (Wow I close a tab and the amount of memory it's using goes down! Imagine that!), but there are lots of other little useful features as well. They've added spell checking in forms! This means that it will automatically spell check LJ comment windows. ;) |
09:42.56 | Wobin_ | Hurrah! |
09:43.06 | Wobin_ | (Thank God) |
09:43.12 | Industrial | 'back' ? |
09:43.21 | Wobin_ | Not that Opera isn't nice... but I much prefer FF |
09:43.27 | Wobin_ | I had that memory issue |
09:43.30 | Neronix | I'll give it a try |
09:43.31 | Industrial | oh |
09:43.34 | Industrial | i dont :) |
09:43.38 | Wobin_ | lucky =) |
09:43.40 | Neronix | I just switched to Opera and I hate the way its adblock works |
09:44.06 | Neronix | and the fact its greasemonkey compatability thing doesn't work 100% right |
09:44.14 | Neronix | and its closed-sourceness |
09:44.16 | Wobin_ | Absolutely |
09:44.18 | Wobin_ | utterly! |
09:44.23 | Wobin_ | I so need greasemonkey |
09:44.33 | [MoonWolf] | I never use it. |
09:44.35 | Neronix | Finntroll's cool |
09:44.36 | Wobin_ | Just for it's ability to climb the Great Firewall of China |
09:44.55 | Wobin_ | AutomaticAnonymouse ftw! |
09:45.32 | Neronix | If I ever make a ZG video, this has to be the bg music :P |
09:45.48 | [MoonWolf] | hah |
09:45.52 | [MoonWolf] | I have more obscure music |
09:46.03 | Neronix | So do I :P |
09:46.38 | [MoonWolf] | hey, whaterver language that it, it doesnt count!!!!! :P |
09:47.07 | Neronix | Icelandic :P |
09:58.05 | Wobin_ | hm, I miss being able to search for extensions by firefox version =( |
10:00.32 | Industrial | I miss being able to see 1 extension in only one category, and not in every category 'just because its a XX as well as an YY' thing. |
10:22.58 | Thiana | Some people have too much time on their hands... http://ui.worldofwar.net/ui.php?id=2594 |
10:25.26 | Wobin_ | hrm |
10:25.38 | Wobin_ | I have to say however, Opera deals with RSS a whole lot better so far than FF |
10:25.44 | Wobin_ | at least in feed reading |
10:48.37 | CIA-17 | 03neronix * r1810 10Lexan/ (Changelog.txt Lexan.lua): |
10:48.37 | CIA-17 | Lexan |
10:48.37 | CIA-17 | - Removed the Mobile Frames compatibility code. Who actually uses it?? |
10:48.37 | CIA-17 | - Minor cleanups |
11:01.30 | CIA-17 | 03wobin * r1811 10FreezeFrameLib/Lib/FreezeFrameLib.lua: FreezeFrameLib - Removed debug statement |
11:09.06 | Neronix | Gah |
11:09.30 | Neronix | How do I make sure that the revision and date keywords in files are always updated at every commit, and not just whenever they are changed? |
11:10.45 | Wobin_ | svn:keywords |
11:11.17 | Neronix | That's precisely what I'm doing XD |
11:11.19 | Wobin_ | the $Date$ and $Rev$ keywords should work |
11:11.29 | Wobin_ | lemme have a look |
11:11.32 | Neronix | but the keywords in a file only change whenever said file is changed |
11:12.07 | Wobin_ | ah |
11:12.11 | Neronix | Wait, do I apply the keywords properties to the whole folder or just induvidual files? |
11:12.36 | Wobin_ | I've always done it on a folder basis, but I don't know if that makes a difference |
11:15.05 | CIA-17 | 03neronix * r1812 10NanoStats/ (NanoStats.lua NanoStats.toc): |
11:15.05 | CIA-17 | NanoStats |
11:15.05 | CIA-17 | - Attempt to fix keywords |
11:15.56 | Neronix | Gah, setting it on the folder didn't work >.< |
11:16.43 | Wobin_ | I guess you'll have to 'touch' each file to get it to update properly |
11:19.22 | Neronix | I will |
11:21.17 | Neronix | If you meant unix touch, that doesn't seem to work. Tortoise doesn't recognise the change |
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11:27.34 | CIA-17 | 03neronix * r1813 10NanoStats/ (NanoStats.lua NanoStats.toc NanoStatsLocals.lua): |
11:27.35 | CIA-17 | NanoStats |
11:27.35 | CIA-17 | - Fuck keywords. Going back to manually updated x.x.x versioning |
11:28.18 | cladhaire | yeah FUCK keywords |
11:28.29 | cladhaire | i feel like shit this morning, so I'm staying home |
11:28.34 | cladhaire | now to try and feel better =( |
11:29.05 | [Ammo] | oh cladhaire |
11:29.08 | [Ammo] | now that you're here |
11:29.16 | [Ammo] | I have a question about Ace 1.3.1 and Hooks |
11:29.35 | [Ammo] | because the hooks I use in Necronomicon stopped working when I changed 1.3 -> 1.3.1 |
11:29.46 | CIA-17 | 03neronix * r1814 10Lexan/ (Changelog.txt Lexan.lua Lexan.toc): |
11:29.46 | CIA-17 | Lexan |
11:29.46 | CIA-17 | - Fuck keywords. Going back to manually updated x.x.x versioning |
11:29.59 | Elkano | remember: "no matter how bad you're feeling, there's allways someone who feels 'bader'" ;) (I hated my Enlish teacher for this joke...) |
11:31.35 | cladhaire | there should have been 0 difference between AceHook 1.3 and 1.3.1 |
11:31.36 | cladhaire | lemme look |
11:32.39 | cladhaire | same file |
11:32.39 | [Ammo] | hmm |
11:32.52 | [Ammo] | weird |
11:32.59 | cladhaire | enable acedebug and see if you're getting any messages |
11:33.00 | [Ammo] | I went back to my old version and it worked again |
11:33.04 | cladhaire | they'd come from your addon specifically |
11:33.16 | cladhaire | bbias, have to take the dog out. |
11:33.29 | [Ammo] | I can't test it right now, just wondered if I did something wrong |
11:36.39 | Wobin_ | ~Dr Tran |
11:36.47 | Wobin_ | ~Dr. Tran |
11:36.50 | purl | Here comes Dr. Tran! |
11:37.06 | Wobin_ | Damnit. Who puts a full stop after DR? |
11:37.08 | Wobin_ | er Dr? |
11:37.21 | Wobin_ | it's a contraction, but not one that uses the period =P |
11:42.15 | cladhaire | in america its abbreviated with a period., |
11:42.24 | cladhaire | *shrug* |
11:44.01 | Wobin_ | Ah. America =) |
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12:15.07 | Industrial | america, dragons be there |
12:15.29 | Industrial | and bushes >_> |
12:22.56 | Industrial | if iraq - or iran whatever same heap of sand - needs to stop making nuclear toys, the US need sto dump theirs first |
12:23.02 | Industrial | they have most of them anyway |
12:24.09 | [MoonWolf] | ah but you see, the usa is ofcourse not EVIL so it doesnt matter. |
12:33.42 | Industrial | proud and so golrious, standing before of us. our swirds shining bright in the skyyy |
12:33.48 | Industrial | [MoonWolf]: sing with me! |
12:33.50 | Industrial | :P |
12:34.58 | [MoonWolf] | When united we come to the land of the sun |
12:34.58 | [MoonWolf] | With the heart of a dragon we ride |
12:35.22 | Industrial | ^^ |
12:35.57 | Industrial | when united we come and divided they fall, tonight you will witness it all! |
12:36.02 | Industrial | nananannanana |
12:38.09 | [MoonWolf] | So far away we wait for the day, |
12:38.10 | [MoonWolf] | For the light source so wasted and gone, |
12:38.10 | [MoonWolf] | We feel the pain of a lifetime lost in a thousand days, |
12:38.10 | [MoonWolf] | Through the fire and the flames we carry on! |
12:39.33 | [MoonWolf] | hey you got aina now ? |
12:42.10 | Industrial | still last.fm radio |
12:52.35 | CIA-17 | 03wobin * r1815 10ReverseEngineering/ (ReverseEngineering.lua ReverseEngineering.toc): ReverseEngineering - updated to fix Bad skill line in ExpandTradeSkillSubClass error |
12:53.41 | Wobin_ | Tunaktunak! |
12:54.03 | [MoonWolf] | DesuDesuDesuDesuDesuDesuDesuDesuDesuDesu |
12:54.23 | Wobin_ | They don't say that =P |
12:54.32 | [MoonWolf] | but I do. |
13:03.27 | GenNMX|Thrae | Ohayo MoonWolf! Genki desu ka? |
13:04.28 | [MoonWolf] | Hai, genki desu |
13:10.19 | Elkano | wobin, does RE work with FramesResized? |
13:10.52 | Wobin_ | um |
13:10.56 | Wobin_ | I have no idea =) |
13:11.02 | Wobin_ | What does FramesResized do? |
13:11.54 | [MoonWolf] | Wobin_, is your chinese good enough and are you willing to help me with some email conversationing ? |
13:12.12 | Wobin_ | I can try |
13:12.50 | [MoonWolf] | I have a translater for mendeleev who does translation in chinese. however I got the worst engrish email ever. |
13:13.02 | Wobin_ | Ah, engrish I'm great at translating =) |
13:14.09 | [MoonWolf] | http://ace.pastebin.com/718636 |
13:14.48 | [MoonWolf] | his email... I thought it would be easier to ask him to rephrase that in chinese and have you translate it back. |
13:15.59 | Elkano | wobin, it resizes the craft frame |
13:16.14 | Elkano | -> http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?s=&id=4547 |
13:16.40 | Wobin_ | He's asking about whether there's a specific lua editor you can recommend him, I'd say |
13:17.17 | Wobin_ | Elkano: Does it just stretch the current frame? |
13:17.23 | Wobin_ | Or does it create it's own? |
13:18.04 | Elkano | stretches |
13:18.17 | Wobin_ | Should be fine then =) |
13:18.20 | Elkano | @moonwolf: say thanks to him for localizing ItemDB :) |
13:18.39 | [MoonWolf] | hmmm |
13:18.42 | [MoonWolf] | if you want me too, sure |
13:19.01 | [MoonWolf] | that guy has to be like the hero of chinese wow players everywhere |
13:19.03 | Elkano | well, he posted hi loocalization to curse |
13:19.27 | Wobin_ | xie xie, ni de shidifanghua hen hao! |
13:19.28 | [MoonWolf] | best thing is, he manages to do that with the very limited english he has. |
13:19.36 | Wobin_ | hm |
13:19.43 | Wobin_ | does your irc font support chinese? |
13:19.54 | [MoonWolf] | not on my laptop |
13:20.30 | [MoonWolf] | but I think my browser does, so you can email or pastebin anything. |
13:21.55 | [Cu]NeT | Good morning |
13:22.24 | [MoonWolf] | morning |
13:22.30 | [MoonWolf] | well more like afternoon already |
13:22.50 | netcurse | i m living with us US gtm so .PO |
13:22.57 | netcurse | 15h22 but it s hte morning! |
13:23.20 | Wobin_ | è°¢è°¢ä½ çš„ä½¿åœ°æ–¹åŒ–å¾ˆå¥½ |
13:23.32 | netcurse | agreed |
13:23.36 | Wobin_ | hey that worked better than I expected =) |
13:23.40 | Elkano | cool, my client does support it :) |
13:23.48 | Wobin_ | That's elkano's reply btw thanking him |
13:24.06 | Wobin_ | Oh and tack on a '!' after for emphasis =) |
13:24.07 | [MoonWolf] | hey that looks like è and all that kind of nonesense on my laptop. |
13:24.37 | Elkano | mIRC 6.17 finaly is capable of UTF-8 :) |
13:24.43 | Wobin_ | yep =) |
13:25.01 | [MoonWolf] | hhm |
13:25.04 | [MoonWolf] | let me try something |
13:25.06 | haste | hello |
13:25.31 | [MoonWolf] | throw a font name with chinese support my way plz |
13:27.11 | haste | kochi-substitute = japanese at least |
13:27.53 | [MoonWolf] | need chinese |
13:28.11 | haste | arphicfonts |
13:28.35 | Wobin_ | hm, I dunno if all my ones are preinstalled or not... minglin |
13:28.49 | Wobin_ | pmingliu |
13:29.11 | Elkano | moonwolf, any utf-8 font should do |
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13:32.59 | [MoonWolf] | throw something chinisy at me. |
13:33.33 | [Ammo] | ni hau |
13:33.38 | [Ammo] | ni hao I mean :p |
13:33.44 | [MoonWolf] | oh god. |
13:33.46 | Slayman | I love my new G15! |
13:33.50 | [MoonWolf] | that wont help me much now will it. |
13:34.03 | Tain | Slayman is late to the party! |
13:34.13 | Slayman | I'm sorry what did i miss? |
13:34.19 | [Ammo] | I made my keyboard drawer .5centimeters too small for a G15 :( |
13:34.20 | Tain | Getting a G15 earlier. :) |
13:34.22 | [Ammo] | stupid me |
13:34.36 | Slayman | well l8er is better ^^ |
13:34.47 | [MoonWolf] | Slayman, tell that to a date. |
13:35.38 | Slayman | ~whaleslap [MoonWolf] |
13:35.41 | purl | ACTION beats [MoonWolf] upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
13:35.50 | [MoonWolf] | ~whaleparry [MoonWolf] |
13:35.52 | purl | ACTION uses a slightly less-huge but eminently more agile killer whale named Edwardo to parry [MoonWolf]'s attacks. |
13:36.18 | Slayman | ha it blocks ur attack, so i won, period |
13:36.21 | Wobin_ | bugger |
13:36.38 | Wobin_ | Pastebing ... htmlises the chinese =) |
13:36.48 | Wobin_ | ä½ å¥½,q09q09 |
13:36.48 | Wobin_ | 对ä¸èµ·,è¯·é—®ä½ å¯„ä¿¡ä½ çš„è¯·æ±‚å†æ¬¡, |
13:36.49 | Wobin_ | 但是写汉è¯.我的朋å‹å¸®æˆ‘翻译 |
13:36.49 | Wobin_ | 谢谢 |
13:36.49 | Wobin_ | 月狼 |
13:37.32 | [MoonWolf] | damnit |
13:37.36 | Wobin_ | Hello q09q09, I'm sorry, could you resend your request but this time in chinese? My friend will help me translate. Thank you, Moonwolf |
13:37.42 | [MoonWolf] | stop being blocks and start being text. |
13:40.06 | [MoonWolf] | mail that to moonwolf.crn@gmail.com will you. |
13:40.09 | [MoonWolf] | ill tackle this at hom.e |
13:40.24 | Wobin_ | sure |
13:40.49 | [MoonWolf] | id copy paste it myself but I dont trust xchat to actually copy paste the code and not copy paste ?? or those 译 signs |
13:42.06 | Wobin_ | Ironically, 译 means 'translate' =) |
13:42.23 | [MoonWolf] | hmm, looks like internally xchat copy pastes fine then |
13:42.37 | [MoonWolf] | but when I paste outside of xchat it gets turned in to regular questionmarks. |
13:42.57 | [MoonWolf] | chinese use commas in text ? |
13:44.01 | Slayman | hereby i state: I h8 Truesilver Deopts! |
13:44.45 | [MoonWolf] | hear hear |
13:46.48 | [MoonWolf] | Neronix, you yust released nanostats and already you are threatening your users. |
13:46.49 | [MoonWolf] | good job. |
13:48.14 | Neronix | lol |
13:48.25 | Neronix | you mean the thing about requesting bloat? |
13:49.25 | GenNMX|Thrae | What's BabbleLib? |
13:51.25 | haste | where? where? |
13:51.26 | GenNMX|Thrae | Ah, combat parsing lib. Is it any good? |
13:51.30 | haste | wtb the drama! |
13:53.45 | Wobin_ | moonwolf: yeah, there's a need for pauses too =) |
13:55.14 | Neronix | GenNMX|Thrae: Not a combat parser. It provides some handy things for localisation |
13:55.34 | GenNMX|Thrae | Yeah, I see that now. Darn. |
13:56.20 | GenNMX|Thrae | I have a highly optimized combat log parser for English, but I need some type of gsub and/or localization code for other languages. |
13:57.26 | Wobin_ | GenNMX|Thrae: The grammar changes with the language you realise? =) |
13:57.36 | GenNMX|Thrae | s/localization/localized strings/. |
13:58.18 | GenNMX|Thrae | Wobin_: Right, hence why I need either localized strings or localized gsub of GlobalStrings.lua |
13:58.43 | Neronix | GenNMX|Thrae: Use BabbleLib's deformat method |
13:58.56 | Tain | Ignore non-English users. |
13:59.21 | Neronix | target, damage = babble:Deformat(arg1, CorrectGlobalStringToUse) |
13:59.32 | Tain | It's not like you can understand what they're saying when they complain anyway! |
13:59.44 | [MoonWolf] | yeah I did that once, the next thing you know some guy named q09q09 is posting translations on your curse thread. |
14:01.14 | GenNMX|Thrae | Neronix: Ahhh, so Babblelib does have localized combat log regexp? |
14:01.49 | GenNMX|Thrae | Good, I can just say "Screw you non-English users, you don't get optimized code!" just like Tain wants. |
14:02.31 | [MoonWolf] | hehe |
14:02.33 | Tain | yay! |
14:02.38 | [MoonWolf] | and that will be the end of the issue!!! |
14:02.43 | Neronix | Deformat is basically the opposite of format |
14:02.44 | Wobin_ | oh tain |
14:02.45 | Tain | Too bad you can't exclude Canadians too. |
14:02.52 | [MoonWolf] | Neronix, who would have thunk. |
14:02.52 | Wobin_ | I was going to post on the bugsack thread... |
14:03.07 | Wobin_ | but if you set bugsack to popup the window on error, it actually shows the error |
14:03.18 | Tain | Oh ok, I never use the popup window. |
14:03.25 | Wobin_ | I've had it come up with an empty error before and the popup at least gives the error to you |
14:03.28 | Tain | We hatesss it yessss |
14:03.29 | [MoonWolf] | I always do a /bs list |
14:03.38 | Tain | Yeah, me too MoonWolf. |
14:03.39 | Wobin_ | bs list doesn't always return it =) |
14:03.39 | Neronix | babble:Deformat(String, pattern, PatternToAppend1, PatternToAppend2, PatternToAppend3) |
14:03.45 | Tain | It needs to. |
14:03.53 | Neronix | PatternToAppend is for stuff like RESIST_TRAILER or BLOCK_TRAILER |
14:03.54 | Wobin_ | I know =) |
14:04.02 | Tain | I only use /bs list. And pop up the window occasionally if I need to copy/paste out. |
14:04.07 | [MoonWolf] | I like the errors OUT of my face |
14:04.13 | Wobin_ | Actually I'd like it to redirect the error into the chatframe |
14:04.16 | Wobin_ | as well |
14:04.17 | [MoonWolf] | untill the moment I decide otherwise. |
14:04.21 | Tain | Yeah that's not a bad option to have. |
14:11.26 | haste | shaman in my guild renamed his char to: Tentacle |
14:12.21 | haste | <PROTECTED> |
14:20.29 | [MoonWolf] | oh god |
14:20.34 | [MoonWolf] | there goes anohter hour of my life |
14:20.36 | [MoonWolf] | again |
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14:28.59 | Tuplad | hm |
14:29.02 | Tuplad | like, wssup |
14:29.13 | weab | like, hi |
14:29.42 | [Ammo] | good afternoon |
14:29.58 | Tain | Namaste |
14:30.30 | [MoonWolf] | like hello |
14:30.36 | [MoonWolf] | ni hao ? |
14:31.10 | Tuplad | hm ik spreek wel nederlands :] |
14:31.17 | Tuplad | well, I was told to get on this chan |
14:31.35 | [MoonWolf] | Nederlands ftw. |
14:31.45 | [MoonWolf] | now we have eeeuh 4 or 5 dutch |
14:31.51 | Tuplad | na'ah |
14:31.55 | Tuplad | <- Rus |
14:31.59 | [MoonWolf] | damnit |
14:32.02 | Tuplad | exactly :) |
14:32.18 | [MoonWolf] | Maar je spreekt wel nederlands, hoe komt dat zo ? |
14:32.27 | [Ammo] | belgium from his hostname |
14:32.46 | Tuplad | ik woon al 7 jaar in Belgie |
14:32.53 | [MoonWolf] | aha |
14:32.56 | Tuplad | bijna 7 |
14:32.58 | [MoonWolf] | goed opgepikt. |
14:33.10 | Tuplad | 6 jaar en 5 maanden, ben hier vanaf 1999 31 december |
14:33.12 | [MoonWolf] | je accent zal wel niet zo mooi zijn. |
14:33.18 | Tuplad | hmm, praat perfect nederlands |
14:33.31 | Tuplad | nu nog een Belgisch papiertje en je merkt het verschil niet |
14:33.57 | [MoonWolf] | Je kunt belgen er altijd uit pikken. |
14:34.11 | [MoonWolf] | dus maak dat maar perfect vlaams. |
14:34.17 | Tuplad | :) |
14:34.29 | [MoonWolf] | still, good job on that, I know I could not pick up russian. |
14:34.36 | Tuplad | overal waar ik kom hoor ik wel het volgende: hey kut belg kom eens hier je gaat nu klappen krijgen van mijn pakistaan paka |
14:34.37 | Tuplad | papa* |
14:34.41 | Tuplad | =) |
14:34.50 | [MoonWolf] | lol |
14:35.18 | Tuplad | nog nooit heeft er iemand gezegd dat ik op een allochtoon lijk, ik maak nog wel foutjes met de/het en dit/dat/deze |
14:35.46 | Tuplad | en woorden die aan elkaar of apart geschreven moeten worden, anywayz - we talkin' english or dutch ? |
14:35.52 | [MoonWolf] | english |
14:35.53 | Tuplad | w/e its all good for me, where's Tyrrael ? |
14:36.08 | [MoonWolf] | ~seen tyrrael |
14:36.19 | purl | [MoonWolf]: i haven't seen 'tyrrael' |
14:36.27 | [MoonWolf] | hmmm |
14:36.31 | [MoonWolf] | not here. |
14:36.41 | [MoonWolf] | morning |
14:37.02 | Cairenn | hey |
14:37.20 | Tuplad | ;\ |
14:37.42 | Tuplad | http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php/topic,1429.20.html about that thread |
14:38.19 | Neronix | Gah, patterns are acting funky for me |
14:38.22 | Neronix | brb, pastebinning |
14:39.54 | Tuplad | ;_; who uses Retaliation ? |
14:43.27 | [MoonWolf] | screw you guys, im going home. |
14:43.38 | Tuplad | lal |
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14:53.16 | Amadeo_ | Good....morning |
14:53.19 | Neronix | Gah, I can't figure out how to make a pattern that only matches the final occurrence of a number >.< |
14:53.20 | Neronix | Morning |
14:53.44 | Tuplad | format c: is the solution |
14:53.53 | Neronix | >.> |
14:54.01 | Tuplad | yeah |
14:55.42 | Amadeo_ | I saw that post on WoWI |
14:55.45 | Tuplad | Imma go wow a bit, *waves* |
14:56.08 | Cairenn | o.O |
14:56.52 | Amadeo_ | Nothing bad, Cairenn, just someone helping Neronix :) |
14:56.55 | Amadeo_ | with bugs |
14:56.58 | Cairenn | k |
14:57.58 | Neronix | Cairenn: The Ace categories aren't in the list you have to pick from when you submit an addon |
14:58.36 | Amadeo_ | It's completely impossible to get something like access to a real instant messaging client from within WoW, right? |
14:58.49 | Cairenn | Amadeo_: correct |
14:59.00 | Cairenn | Neronix: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=18 |
14:59.23 | Amadeo_ | I guess we should all start using XFire for the overlay then :P |
14:59.54 | Tain | Get a second computer! |
15:00.05 | Amadeo_ | Tain: Please buy me one, a laptop works :) |
15:00.50 | Tain | I still have an empty hole in my soul where my laptop used to be. |
15:01.24 | Neronix | Cairenn: Ah, sorry |
15:01.27 | Amadeo_ | You're a poet |
15:01.44 | Cairenn | Neronix: not a problem, just saying that it's best to post it, so I don't forget |
15:02.02 | Cairenn | my mind is rather elsewhere today, so telling me is less than useless |
15:02.47 | Cairenn | hey, anyone want a panic attack? giving mine away for free! |
15:02.57 | weab | sure |
15:02.58 | Tain | No thanks, I'm all full up. |
15:03.02 | weab | i could use some excitement |
15:03.12 | Amadeo_ | Cairenn: You give away lots of problems for free |
15:03.14 | Amadeo_ | :) |
15:03.49 | Cairenn | I'm a very giving person, what can I say? |
15:04.18 | Amadeo_ | haha |
15:04.30 | weab | i don't think i'm capable of a panic attack. those require you to care about something |
15:04.35 | weab | which requires way too much effort |
15:08.19 | Wobin_ | Neronix: I've already posted about that =) |
15:08.26 | Wobin_ | But you can add to the post =) |
15:08.39 | Wobin_ | Neronix: PS what's the code you're having issues with? |
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15:10.29 | Neronix | Wobin_: For ripping out damage numbers in combat log messages, I just did %d+, but it turns out there's mobs with numbers in their names, which fucks up things a bit |
15:10.36 | Neronix | I'll go look for your post |
15:11.08 | Amadeo_ | Neronix: I have a bug in Lexan on load |
15:11.47 | Wobin_ | There are mobs with numbers? |
15:11.54 | Wobin_ | oh, mechanicals |
15:12.21 | Neronix | Arcane Nullifier X-21 for example |
15:12.22 | Amadeo_ | Lexan.lua:4: `}' expected (to close `{' at line 1) near `releaseDate' |
15:12.43 | Amadeo_ | the new one on WoWI gives me that on load |
15:12.44 | Neronix | I ALWAYS forget the fucking comma >.> |
15:12.47 | Amadeo_ | hehe |
15:13.35 | CIA-17 | 03neronix * r1816 10NanoStats/NanoStatsLocals.lua: NanoStats - "I ALWAYS forget the fucking comma >.>" |
15:13.50 | CIA-17 | 03neronix * r1817 10Lexan/Lexan.lua: Lexan - "I ALWAYS forget the fucking comma >.>" |
15:14.25 | Cairenn | Neronix: you fucking swear a lot, don't you, you fucker |
15:15.05 | Slayman | i have to admit additionally low level BGs are FUN! |
15:15.21 | Neronix | Cairenn: :< |
15:15.25 | Cairenn | hehehe |
15:15.31 | Amadeo_ | New servers really suck, to be honest |
15:15.39 | weab | eh? |
15:15.41 | Amadeo_ | it's best to roll a new char on an established server |
15:15.45 | Tain | I couldn't disagree more. |
15:15.55 | Slayman | no overly equipped epic chars. Very much skill dependent |
15:15.56 | Amadeo_ | Nobody runs BGs on new servers |
15:15.58 | Amadeo_ | it's like a wasteland |
15:16.06 | Slayman | New Servers ROCK for PvP ! |
15:16.06 | weab | new servers are awesome. |
15:16.07 | Amadeo_ | you wait 2 hours for queue |
15:16.08 | Tain | Best to twink a new character from the AH on an established server. |
15:16.11 | Amadeo_ | pff |
15:16.18 | Amadeo_ | NOBODY even plays Arathi Basin on Akama |
15:16.25 | Amadeo_ | it's empty, and has been for months |
15:16.38 | Tain | No one plays AB on other servers either, they only do because everything else is full. |
15:16.40 | Amadeo_ | WSG has like 1-2 games running on a weekend |
15:16.43 | Tain | Everyone hates AB. |
15:16.47 | Amadeo_ | which is practically nothing |
15:16.52 | Amadeo_ | there's probably 8 games running on Eredar |
15:17.27 | Amadeo_ | Alterac Valley is pretty rare, but there is a game once and a while |
15:17.30 | Amadeo_ | (Akama) |
15:17.47 | Slayman | AB from 40-49 w8 time is about 15 mins |
15:17.49 | weab | i'd call this a battleground related issue in general |
15:17.59 | weab | not a what-server-you're-on issue |
15:18.12 | Amadeo_ | it's a low population issue |
15:18.30 | Amadeo_ | Linked BGs will help, but hurt at the same time |
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15:18.52 | Amadeo_ | Well, at least until 60 |
15:18.56 | Slayman | this Gaming Switch in the G15 FUCKS my windows key, AWESOME! |
15:19.33 | Amadeo_ | Had this twinked out 49 Hunter in WSG last night...now my Warrior has pretty decent gear, I'm in mostly blues, but maybe not the best enchants/gear available |
15:19.54 | Amadeo_ | Well, it took 5 people at once to kill this guy, and then he drank a potion and ended up killing 3 before he died |
15:19.56 | Amadeo_ | rofl |
15:20.00 | Amadeo_ | I hate gear sometimes |
15:21.07 | Tain | Everyone should fight naked? |
15:21.15 | Amadeo_ | that would be fun |
15:21.17 | Amadeo_ | haha |
15:21.20 | Amadeo_ | naked-only BGs |
15:22.09 | Amadeo_ | casters get no spells :P |
15:22.32 | Tain | Slap fight |
15:22.43 | Amadeo_ | there's a [Fight Club] item in the game |
15:23.36 | Amadeo_ | ahh, EQ days |
15:23.43 | Amadeo_ | <- EQ beta :( |
15:23.58 | Tain | I was just complaining about EQ last night. |
15:24.04 | Cairenn | it was funny, actually |
15:24.20 | Tain | Not everyone shares my view that the way they implented Kunark was the worst thing that happened to EQ. |
15:24.31 | Amadeo_ | Yeah, I disagree :) |
15:24.37 | weab | that's interesting Cairenn |
15:24.41 | Amadeo_ | EQ was ruined when it fell into the hands of SoE |
15:24.43 | Amadeo_ | that's all! |
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15:24.46 | weab | my friend used to play eq topless too |
15:25.03 | Tain | Well, that was mainly starting with Kunark. :) |
15:25.14 | Amadeo_ | nuh uh! |
15:25.17 | Amadeo_ | Luclin |
15:25.19 | Neronix | What's Kunark? An expansion? |
15:25.22 | Amadeo_ | yeah |
15:25.28 | Neronix | I see |
15:25.31 | Amadeo_ | Kunark was a good expansion, I thought |
15:25.39 | Amadeo_ | Velious was good, but annoying at times |
15:25.42 | Cairenn | The "public" would be having a problem breaking [whatever zone] ... they'd call us in with a plea for help. We'd arrive, strip all our gear off and toss it in our bags and walk into zone nekkid. 10 minutes later, we'd call the "public" raid in and present them with a nicely broken zone |
15:25.47 | Amadeo_ | I quit at Luclin beta |
15:26.04 | Tain | Kunark the content was. But they absolutely destroyed class balance, class verses environment balance, and equipment balaance. |
15:26.18 | weab | oh, that's less fun than actually being nekkid. |
15:26.18 | Cairenn | kunark destroyed rangers |
15:26.26 | Amadeo_ | Tain: How so? What classes are you referring to? |
15:26.35 | Tain | When you went from the best weapons you could get being 8/24 and 7/21 to yard trash dropping 10/21 type stuff. |
15:26.50 | Cairenn | oh, it was 3 in the morning typically ... trust me, I wasn't wearing my irl either, at that hour |
15:26.59 | Cairenn | s/my/much/ |
15:27.08 | weab | :p |
15:27.12 | Tain | Kunark just threw equipment that ws order of magnitudes better than anything you could get at players, instead of ramping it up. |
15:27.24 | Amadeo_ | hm |
15:27.29 | Amadeo_ | I remember skill buffs in Kunark |
15:27.31 | Tain | It started the out of control spiral of stat inflation. |
15:27.42 | Amadeo_ | I even remember buffs for Rangers |
15:27.44 | Amadeo_ | huge buffs for Rogues |
15:27.59 | weab | it was also fun tain :P |
15:28.01 | Slayman | hey it's springbreak time now isn't it? |
15:28.03 | Tain | Oh, it also marked the last chance they had to "fix" Complete Heal. |
15:28.13 | Amadeo_ | What was wrong with Complete Heal? |
15:28.33 | Tain | Ack CH was the worst thing in EQ. |
15:28.36 | weab | i dont disagree it was a problem but in wow, they're so careful to not make stuff better it's like.. not even exciting getting new gear |
15:28.38 | Amadeo_ | CH was amazing :) |
15:28.47 | Tain | Yeah, overpowerdly so. |
15:29.01 | weab | ch was stupid |
15:29.03 | Tain | The rest of the game spiraled out of control, yet a single level 39 spell could keep up? |
15:29.32 | Amadeo_ | I can see CH getting more overpowered as the game went on, but in Kunark time it wasn't like CH made people always win |
15:29.35 | Tain | They should have bit the bullet and capped it with Kunark, and gave new ones. |
15:29.50 | Tain | CH breastplate didn't prove that? |
15:30.30 | weab | you're looking at it wrong Amadeo_ |
15:30.34 | Tain | Oh yeah, they changed that quick once people realized 4 clerics with a CH bp could keep any tank healed without spending mana, forever. |
15:30.37 | weab | it forced the spell into a staple |
15:30.41 | Amadeo_ | I imagine they designed the content around what's already in game rather than adjusting the spell for the content |
15:30.52 | Tain | But they didn't. |
15:31.02 | Tain | Of course it doesn't matter now. |
15:31.06 | Amadeo_ | CH still pulls extreme aggro |
15:31.28 | Amadeo_ | and you couldn't zerg bosses when I played EQ |
15:31.31 | Amadeo_ | because the zones would just crash |
15:31.31 | Tain | But I do believe firmly that Brad McQuaid never would have allowed all that, and it was a sure sign that he wasn't calling the shots anymore. |
15:31.32 | Amadeo_ | haha |
15:31.43 | Amadeo_ | eh |
15:31.49 | Amadeo_ | Couldn't stand Brad, personally |
15:32.10 | Tain | Didn't care about his personality, but he actually had a vision for the game and enforced it. |
15:32.13 | Amadeo_ | Too elitist and full of himself |
15:32.15 | Amadeo_ | Yeah |
15:32.18 | Amadeo_ | Which is good and bad |
15:32.21 | Amadeo_ | he wouldn't listen to anyone |
15:32.22 | Amadeo_ | haha |
15:32.24 | Cairenn | McQuaid is actually a pretty decent guy |
15:32.25 | Tain | And in my opinion it was good for the game. |
15:32.36 | Amadeo_ | I dunno |
15:32.43 | Tain | As soon as he left it was just give players anything they wanted. |
15:32.45 | Amadeo_ | Rogues were the worst class in the game, and he wanted to keep it that way |
15:33.22 | Cairenn | mind you, I'm talking face to face, so /shrug |
15:33.22 | Tain | Ehn that's a matter of opinion. |
15:33.22 | Amadeo_ | Tain: Early EQ Rogues? I don't think it's an opinion thing :) |
15:33.22 | Amadeo_ | I'm talking pre-evade, pre-double BS |
15:33.22 | Tain | Please. Early every EQ class. |
15:33.22 | Amadeo_ | No no |
15:33.28 | Amadeo_ | When there were 3 Rogues per server, because they were worthless |
15:33.37 | Tain | That's just not true. |
15:33.42 | Amadeo_ | Sure it is, at level 50 |
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15:33.57 | Tain | Of course the first three classes to level 50 were Rogue, Rogue, Cleric. |
15:33.57 | Amadeo_ | best item in the game, and they backstabbed for 110 |
15:34.04 | Tain | No one hit hard. |
15:34.08 | Amadeo_ | they had the least damage and survivability in the game |
15:34.18 | Amadeo_ | and no traps or anything really existed |
15:34.24 | Tain | Oi ok that's some revisionist history. |
15:34.33 | [MoonWolf] | what are we talking about ? |
15:34.40 | Cairenn | eq |
15:34.43 | [MoonWolf] | ah |
15:35.10 | Amadeo_ | Tain: I'm responsible for the addition of Evade to Rogues, I spent a lot of time with Smedley on the class :P |
15:35.28 | [MoonWolf] | you bastard |
15:35.57 | [MoonWolf] | your the reason hunters never kill rogues close range |
15:36.01 | Tain | Mind you I never wanted to play a Rogue. Of course I never wanted to play most classes. WoW is the first game to do a Rogue in the way I like. |
15:36.08 | Neronix | Is it possible to make a pattern that only matches the second last occurrence of a number? |
15:36.12 | Amadeo_ | [MoonWolf]: (Everquest) |
15:36.12 | [MoonWolf] | even if we are doing well, they rogue simply activates evade. |
15:36.14 | [MoonWolf] | ah |
15:36.16 | Amadeo_ | hehe |
15:36.17 | [MoonWolf] | never said athing. |
15:36.23 | Neronix | actually, nvm |
15:36.30 | Neronix | I'll just switch to deformat >.> |
15:36.36 | Amadeo_ | Tain: To be honest, I wanted small Rogue changes and they ended up overpowering them |
15:36.39 | [MoonWolf] | Neronix, in regular regex sure. but like in lua, not a clue. |
15:36.48 | Amadeo_ | Double backstab and assassinate, bleh |
15:36.55 | Amadeo_ | it's a great *cool* factor, but too much |
15:37.08 | Tain | That's exactly what EQ became. |
15:37.11 | Amadeo_ | Yeah |
15:37.19 | Amadeo_ | Except for the graphics :( |
15:37.22 | Amadeo_ | God-awful |
15:37.29 | Neronix | Are WoW rogues fun at 60? |
15:37.30 | Tain | Give people cool things so they'll pay money. And the overall game suffered greatly (in my opinion!) because of it. |
15:37.38 | Tain | They are to me, Neronix. |
15:37.40 | Amadeo_ | Neronix: I think Stealth in general is fun at 60 |
15:37.51 | Neronix | PvE wise? |
15:37.52 | Tain | Rogue is my favorite WoW class, actually. |
15:38.04 | Tain | Definitely PvE. |
15:38.07 | Tain | I don't PvP much. |
15:38.12 | Neronix | Ok, thanks |
15:38.16 | Amadeo_ | Tain: I refuse to play EQ2, even if it were the best game available (which it isn't), just based on Sony's marketing strategy |
15:38.19 | Neronix | guess my next alt's gonna be a rogue |
15:38.28 | [MoonWolf] | rogues are a fun wow class indeed, but the last 20 lvl's to 60 are slightly redudant nothing really changes for you |
15:38.36 | Neronix | Amadeo_: /pizza -_- |
15:38.37 | [MoonWolf] | only the amount of damage you deal. |
15:38.41 | Amadeo_ | Neronix: rofl |
15:38.43 | Tain | There was one thing in EQ2 I loved. I never played, but I love the idea of critical tradeskill failures that can kill you. |
15:38.53 | [MoonWolf] | they could KILL you ? |
15:38.58 | Amadeo_ | hm |
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15:39.02 | Amadeo_ | I was never killed by em |
15:39.03 | [MoonWolf] | not fun. |
15:39.04 | Amadeo_ | I was damaged |
15:39.04 | Tain | At least in beta, I don't know if that is still the case. |
15:39.12 | Amadeo_ | but I was just a chef :( |
15:39.15 | Tain | That appeals to me greatly. |
15:39.25 | Tain | "I think I'll make an omelette. AAAAAH!" |
15:39.27 | [MoonWolf] | hmm, alchemists might have less fun. |
15:39.28 | Amadeo_ | hahah |
15:39.40 | Tain | haha yeah well I was a Shaman in EQ. Don't talk to me about Alchemy. :) |
15:39.43 | Amadeo_ | I can't believe how many things they try to charge the player with, though |
15:40.03 | Amadeo_ | There's about 10 different charges just when you install the game, that you can choose to pay for or not |
15:40.14 | [MoonWolf] | hthey alrady have 1 expansion out for eq2 and second one is comming |
15:40.23 | Amadeo_ | and that doesn't include "adventure packs" which are free content in other games that you have to pay for in EQ2 |
15:40.28 | weab | honestly though |
15:40.35 | Tain | One thing I like that EQ did, although not *necessarily* that they did it right, was adding new classes. |
15:40.36 | weab | that's the one thing i liked about sony |
15:40.41 | Tain | Screw new races. |
15:40.48 | [MoonWolf] | so the stuff wow would get in patches you have to pay for in EQ too ? |
15:41.01 | weab | pumping out a lot of content |
15:41.11 | weab | blizzard is way way too slow with the new content |
15:41.27 | Tain | Nah. |
15:41.28 | Amadeo_ | [MoonWolf]: In a sense...SoE charges money for "Adventure Packs" which are like...say another instance within a certain instance, as well as expansions, which are familiar |
15:41.32 | weab | yes |
15:41.34 | weab | they are |
15:41.35 | Tain | It's just that people have become far too impatient. |
15:41.43 | Tain | Everything's a now now now world. |
15:41.50 | weab | not so much |
15:41.52 | Tain | WoW's levelling is too quick, so it makes it feel worse. |
15:42.12 | Amadeo_ | I'd rather wait for good content than to get a buggy mess like we got in EQ so often |
15:42.23 | weab | i'd rather have a compromise |
15:42.27 | Tain | Ack |
15:42.33 | [MoonWolf] | i like the wow rate. |
15:42.35 | haste | You know what sucks about SoE ? |
15:42.38 | Tain | I'd never compromise on quality content if I had the choice. |
15:42.39 | haste | they made Infantry pay2play |
15:42.43 | Amadeo_ | haha |
15:42.47 | Amadeo_ | they make EVERYTHING pay to play |
15:42.56 | haste | it so killed the community for that game |
15:42.58 | Tain | They just want people to buy the Station Pass. |
15:43.07 | Amadeo_ | Tain: They have more charges than that though, it's insane |
15:43.17 | Amadeo_ | Station Pass is just access, they have so many more charges |
15:43.20 | haste | "OMG IF YOU BUY INFANTRY NOW YOU GET TWO FUCKING RETARDED GAMES WITH A EXTRA COST!" |
15:43.32 | Tain | Ah I dunno, haven't played any of them since EQ. |
15:43.44 | Tain | Oh I did play EQ:Online Adventures for the PS2 briefly. |
15:43.47 | Amadeo_ | hah |
15:44.35 | Amadeo_ | I guess what I hate most about EQ2 |
15:44.39 | Amadeo_ | is the fact that it's not really EverQuest |
15:44.42 | Neronix | Bah, Sony has a reputation for abusing the consumer |
15:44.47 | Amadeo_ | it's the same "world", and everything else was changed |
15:44.53 | Neronix | rootkit, ps3 price, EQ :P |
15:45.02 | Tain | Ever try doing a "quest" in EverQuest? :) |
15:45.17 | Tain | Hail! |
15:45.18 | Amadeo_ | not to mention...EQ2 is instanced like Guild Wars is, even the damn TOWNS are instanced like Guild Wars...yet you have to pay all this for EQ2 and GW is free? pfft |
15:45.26 | Tain | What turtle |
15:45.27 | Tain | What meat |
15:45.29 | Tain | What sword |
15:45.37 | Amadeo_ | Hail, a_tain_00! |
15:45.53 | Amadeo_ | Tain executes hail.txt |
15:46.36 | Amadeo_ | You guys ever play on the EQ Test server? Everyone there was elitist, and the funny thing is, they were all cheaters |
15:46.41 | haste | you know.. that stopped me from palying EQ2 |
15:47.03 | Tain | I didn't, but I saw the influx of people transferring off of Test after they bitched about being wiped. |
15:47.07 | Amadeo_ | They used to talk badly about public servers, and how it took twice the amount of people to kill bosses on those servers than it did on Test |
15:47.09 | Tain | Despite the fact that it was stated from day 1. |
15:47.15 | haste | it was like: hmm I need to go to the other side of town. *walks* *loading 30sec* *walks* *loading 30 sec* *walks* *loading 30 sec* |
15:47.18 | Amadeo_ | Well, the fact is, Test players always cheated :) |
15:47.35 | Amadeo_ | Tain: Yep, the wipe was so good for Test |
15:47.39 | Amadeo_ | The server was worthless |
15:47.54 | Amadeo_ | You guys remember Kendrick? |
15:48.00 | Amadeo_ | Another Rogue tester |
15:48.29 | Tain | Yeah |
15:48.31 | Amadeo_ | I was on a Hate run with his guild, and the GMs decided to make a weapon for him since it was his birthday...it was better than anything available in game...how's that help you test? :) |
15:48.55 | Tain | Hah well they learned their lesson from putting absurd things IN game from Inte's Sword |
15:49.24 | Neronix | Anyone ever played RO? THAT was fucked up |
15:49.32 | Amadeo_ | I also think it's funny that Furor works for Blizzard now, after he was banned multiple times in EQ for exploiting/using game hacks :P |
15:49.37 | [MoonWolf] | RO is fun, on private servers anyway |
15:49.44 | Neronix | True |
15:49.53 | Tain | Let's give an absurdly overpowered weapon to an npc and make it drop from him since no one will ever beat him! |
15:49.59 | Neronix | That's why I always played on one, and at one point was staff of one |
15:50.14 | Tain | It's a business decision to hire Furor. Keep him on the payroll, keep him from badmouthing the game in public. |
15:50.16 | [MoonWolf] | RO on normal servers isnt worth it. |
15:50.23 | [MoonWolf] | its fun becasuse of the absurd levels and items. |
15:50.29 | Amadeo_ | haha |
15:50.36 | Amadeo_ | See, the thing is |
15:50.40 | Neronix | Yeah, cards are the most imba thing ever |
15:50.44 | Amadeo_ | Early EQ was so good because it had the best community |
15:50.53 | Amadeo_ | Nobody had a better player base than early EQ |
15:50.57 | Tain | Despite everything a lot of people took Furor's (Kalaran, Kartik) as gospel. |
15:51.07 | Amadeo_ | Most people were mature, not as many kids in the game (though of course, some) |
15:51.18 | Amadeo_ | WoW is all kids |
15:51.31 | Amadeo_ | The mindset to defeat things is Zerg |
15:51.33 | [MoonWolf] | After playing on a rp server i never looked back. |
15:51.49 | Tain | That's why it was a good decision to limit raids to 40. |
15:51.54 | Amadeo_ | In EQ, since servers crashed if you had too many people in a zone, you had to figure out how to beat bosses |
15:51.55 | Amadeo_ | haha |
15:52.02 | Tain | Because people can't be trusted to have responsible raids. |
15:52.06 | Amadeo_ | Yeah |
15:52.06 | [MoonWolf] | even though i sometimes really dont WANT to rp, ill rather rp and know someone is enoying themselves for exchange of at least 50% sane and normal people on a server. |
15:52.12 | Neronix | RP servers would be great, but I don't want to live the game, only play it :P |
15:52.29 | Amadeo_ | RPing is fun, but I get tired of it |
15:52.33 | Amadeo_ | I can't keep it going forever |
15:52.50 | Tain | EQ zones would crash from a lot more than just a lot of people. Crash Plane of Fear on demand early on. |
15:53.00 | Amadeo_ | yeah, haha |
15:53.02 | [MoonWolf] | same here, i like rp in moderation, but like i said, id rather rp at times and have that better community then suffer the regular pvp servers. |
15:53.16 | Amadeo_ | Tain: Do you remember the early EQ high level favoritism? |
15:53.31 | Tain | What do you mean? |
15:54.15 | Amadeo_ | Well, in early EQ, Brad said they would not restore items or characters no matter *what* |
15:54.29 | Amadeo_ | Then he started restoring items and lost characters for level 50's |
15:54.34 | Amadeo_ | and saying no to anyone under 50 |
15:54.57 | Tain | Oh yeah. And tried to keep it quiet. |
15:54.57 | Amadeo_ | People went nuts over it |
15:54.57 | Amadeo_ | yeah |
15:55.08 | [MoonWolf] | why is restoring items an issue |
15:55.11 | Amadeo_ | I mean, I think it's great that they didn't restore stuff in all circumstances like they do in WoW |
15:55.16 | [MoonWolf] | people lost them on a regular basis ? |
15:55.20 | Amadeo_ | But when your corpse goes under the world... |
15:55.28 | Tain | There were bugs that caused items to poof. |
15:55.32 | Amadeo_ | Early EQ was severely buggy |
15:55.33 | Amadeo_ | Yep |
15:55.35 | Tain | For example loot something if you had a full inventory. |
15:55.38 | Tain | Poof. |
15:55.48 | [MoonWolf] | eeeuh, GLARING GAMEBREAKING BUG. |
15:56.04 | Amadeo_ | I got into a fight with Brad once in emails, but he finally restored an item for me :P |
15:56.10 | [MoonWolf] | i never once lost a wow item |
15:56.26 | [MoonWolf] | wow even has an overflow buffer should you somehow end up with more items in your inventory then it can handle |
15:56.41 | Amadeo_ | The good thing was...everyone at Verant loved EQ, and they wanted to make it a great game...they cared about the game more than they cared about the money |
15:56.41 | Tain | I've lost a few items in emails testing item collecting addons. |
15:56.45 | Amadeo_ | and now, it's all about the money |
15:57.01 | Tain | EQ had so many item and money dupe bugs it was scary. |
15:57.10 | Tain | And simple, simple ones. |
15:57.11 | Amadeo_ | I used to be friends with Tigole, he won't even talk to me now :/ |
15:57.20 | Amadeo_ | Money talks |
15:57.37 | Tain | Yeah well I was once personally trained by Furor (back when he was Kalaran) in SolB. |
15:57.47 | Amadeo_ | hahah |
15:58.00 | Amadeo_ | I knew the FoH peeps back in beta, and they were elitist back then too :) |
15:58.01 | Tain | He didn't like where our group set up so he had an ogre block a pass and trained kobolds on us. |
15:58.19 | [MoonWolf] | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?FN=wow-general&T=8333849 <- cool |
15:58.27 | Tain | Yeah, playing on EQ on Veeshan with FoH was fun. Really. |
15:58.30 | Amadeo_ | Tain: I'm guilty of training Sand Giants on people I didn't like :( |
15:58.36 | [MoonWolf] | lol |
15:58.46 | Tain | Our entire guild jumped to Saryrn when they had the server move. |
15:58.49 | [MoonWolf] | peopl do that in all kinds of games. |
15:59.09 | Amadeo_ | [MoonWolf]: It was so easy to do in EQ |
15:59.23 | Amadeo_ | it's much harder in WoW, and it was almost impossible in DAoC |
15:59.23 | [MoonWolf] | range agro ? |
15:59.26 | Amadeo_ | Yeah |
15:59.30 | Tain | heh EQ was just silly. Run past someone and they'd attack. |
15:59.43 | [MoonWolf] | wows monsters go , agro wipe return to station when they lose combat |
15:59.50 | Amadeo_ | and they just so happened to put high level mobs in low level areas |
15:59.55 | [MoonWolf] | smart |
16:00.00 | Tain | Oh yeah that drove me nuts. |
16:00.10 | Amadeo_ | Spectres and Sand Giants in Oasis |
16:00.14 | Tain | How the hell do you have level 35 creatures wandering newbie areas. |
16:00.26 | Tain | Giants and Griffons in East commons! |
16:00.29 | Amadeo_ | hahaha |
16:00.30 | weab | i dunno i thought it was kinda neat |
16:00.32 | weab | personally |
16:00.32 | Amadeo_ | I died so often to Griffons |
16:00.45 | weab | you had to be careful |
16:00.58 | weab | and it made you actually afraid of something |
16:01.04 | Amadeo_ | I hate to say it, but I loved EQ, I still think it was the most fun MMOG available (pre-SoE), and I even like it more than WoW in a lot of ways |
16:01.34 | Tain | I don't like it better than WoW as a game in any way. But I'll never get to recreate some of the first-time experiences I had with EQ. |
16:01.57 | Amadeo_ | I like the "mundaneness" that people complained about |
16:02.06 | Amadeo_ | It wasn't mundane to me, it was just time consuming and harder |
16:02.07 | Tain | Killing a dragon in EQ for the first time is just incomparible to killing any boss in WoW. |
16:02.09 | Amadeo_ | it weeded out the kiddies from playing |
16:02.23 | Amadeo_ | Absolutely |
16:02.46 | Amadeo_ | I think DAoC PvP was the best, too, so... :P |
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16:03.05 | Tain | The camping spawns, killing something dozens of times hoping for a drop you need, everything else... forget it. |
16:03.14 | Tain | Ragefire spawn! Everyone to SolB! |
16:03.19 | Amadeo_ | haha |
16:03.32 | Amadeo_ | I think the worst was 6-12 hour corpse runs :P |
16:03.51 | Amadeo_ | Knowing your corpse is working its way on vanishing |
16:03.54 | Tain | I used to randomly say in gc, "Lodizal up!" "Just kidding." |
16:03.59 | Amadeo_ | haha |
16:05.05 | Amadeo_ | I still feel like you had to work together more |
16:05.12 | Amadeo_ | a bad group in WoW is bad, but it still works |
16:05.17 | Amadeo_ | it just didn't work in EQ |
16:05.19 | Tain | And a single person being able to steal a kill from entire groups reliably, that was great. |
16:05.46 | Amadeo_ | haha yeah |
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16:06.20 | Tain | Oh and don't use your DoT spells or else you'll poof what you're killing and no loot for anyone. |
16:06.55 | Amadeo_ | rofl, I forgot about a lot of these |
16:07.10 | Amadeo_ | I remember the Monk Feign/Disarm exploit |
16:07.17 | Amadeo_ | people were stealing Staves of Discord |
16:09.24 | Elkano | who was the author of NanoStats? |
16:09.26 | haste | haha, I found a off-hand |
16:09.31 | haste | with the size of a staff |
16:09.47 | Amadeo_ | Elkano: Neronix |
16:10.07 | Tain | Oh yeah, Disarm was great because originally you actually took the weapon. Was hell in duels. |
16:10.17 | Amadeo_ | yeah, haha |
16:10.20 | Amadeo_ | or |
16:10.25 | Amadeo_ | even when they fixed it |
16:10.31 | Amadeo_ | disarming people with a full inventory meant, bye weapon |
16:10.33 | Amadeo_ | haha |
16:10.36 | Tain | Yep |
16:10.54 | Tain | Of course players in WoW couldn't handle being a Monk. |
16:11.02 | Tain | What? I can't carry ANYTHING? |
16:11.02 | Amadeo_ | I want a Monk in WoW *SO* bad |
16:11.05 | Amadeo_ | I loved Monks |
16:11.20 | weab | monk is the only reason i played tht game for as long as i did |
16:11.21 | Ratbert_CP | [MoonWolf]: You idjit... |
16:11.36 | weab | fd pulling was an artform. |
16:11.44 | weab | raids must have sucked being any other class |
16:11.47 | Tain | I had a 30 Monk but never got past that. |
16:12.18 | Tain | Along with a 51 Warrior for perpetual Vox raids |
16:12.41 | Tain | And a 40something Bard that I disowned after twisting for a while. |
16:13.10 | Amadeo_ | Twisting was awful |
16:13.20 | Amadeo_ | Have to hand it to good Bards |
16:13.24 | Amadeo_ | that class was a bitch to play |
16:13.29 | Tain | But my main was a Shaman. The best was before Kunark when you were max exp at 50 you could die over and over again without showing any exp loss. |
16:13.43 | Tain | A good Bard in EQ was one of the best players in the game, bar none. |
16:13.48 | Amadeo_ | I agree |
16:13.54 | Amadeo_ | Amelia on Test has my love forever |
16:14.24 | Amadeo_ | She could pull anything from within Karnors Castle (this was when Kunark was the new expansion), to the moats |
16:14.35 | Amadeo_ | with full spawns ujp |
16:14.39 | Amadeo_ | up |
16:14.54 | Tain | Now a good puller could pull in Hate without getting a late pet train with half the zone on you. :) |
16:15.26 | Amadeo_ | haha |
16:15.32 | Tain | Which was one of the examples of "fixes" they did that made me realize they were giving up. Problems with pet pathing? Ehn.. get rid of the pets. |
16:15.42 | Amadeo_ | Which plane was it where if you went too high up on the ceiling, you'd aggro through it and wipe? |
16:15.50 | Tain | Hate would do that. |
16:15.59 | Amadeo_ | Hate had the Maestro and all? |
16:16.02 | Amadeo_ | I forget the damn names |
16:16.06 | Tain | Yep |
16:16.10 | Amadeo_ | Yeah, that was it :) |
16:16.12 | Tain | and ah.. Innoruuk? |
16:16.14 | Amadeo_ | right |
16:16.25 | Amadeo_ | I've seen so many Innoruk's in WoW (spelled something like that) |
16:16.42 | Wobin_ | goddamn ghost sailor quest in wetlands =P |
16:16.46 | Amadeo_ | They always spell it wrong |
16:16.52 | Amadeo_ | Wobin_: It's awful |
16:17.00 | Tain | Oh haha actually I just remembered what is quite possibly my favorite pull in any game I've ever seen. |
16:17.13 | Tain | Plane of Fear, pulling the building full of Shadowknight creatures. |
16:17.25 | Tain | Someone was eating 20 Harm Touches. |
16:17.25 | Amadeo_ | rofl |
16:17.36 | Amadeo_ | Hey! Do you remember Ranadin? |
16:17.48 | Tain | Not sure. |
16:18.01 | Amadeo_ | The Shadowknight guild leader of The Dark Exile, he won that whole PvP contest that Verant held in the arena |
16:18.08 | Tain | Oh ok right |
16:18.16 | Amadeo_ | He was my guild leader for a while, hahah |
16:18.25 | Amadeo_ | That guy...would get everyone together for a raid |
16:18.32 | Amadeo_ | Go to the dungeon, go afk until it was over |
16:18.37 | Amadeo_ | and take all the loot for himself |
16:18.39 | Amadeo_ | rofl |
16:18.46 | Amadeo_ | every single time |
16:18.51 | Amadeo_ | Ranadin *always* afk'd |
16:18.55 | Amadeo_ | and he'd be gone for hours |
16:18.57 | Tain | We had a monk who'd come to a raid, find somewhere to hide and fd (like inside a firepot) |
16:19.20 | Tain | And just collect loot. But it was so funny I didn't care. |
16:19.23 | Amadeo_ | hahah |
16:19.33 | Tain | Oh actually hahah he won the Monk Best of the Best on our server one year. |
16:19.40 | Amadeo_ | See, EQ, bringing people together since..um, when did it come out? :) |
16:19.58 | Tain | But they forced him to change his name because they wouldn't award it publically to, "Thewong" |
16:20.08 | Amadeo_ | hahah |
16:20.16 | Tain | Since his name was Thewong Eyedsnake but had already had his last name stripped. |
16:20.27 | Wobin_ | rofl |
16:20.28 | CIA-17 | 03neronix * r1818 10NanoStats/ (Changelog.txt NanoStats.lua Readme.txt): NanoStats - Fixed TabletLib related error (Yay for local abuse!) |
16:20.31 | Amadeo_ | I miss last names :( |
16:20.36 | Amadeo_ | I wanted one in WoW |
16:20.40 | Tain | So they changed his name just for the announcement to Quikk. didn't even give him a choice |
16:20.50 | Tain | And then right after changed it to Thwong. |
16:20.57 | Tain | He was so angry. |
16:21.00 | Tain | He never got over it. |
16:21.00 | haste | hmm, I should update my idChat :p |
16:21.05 | Amadeo_ | and not a horrible implementation like Asheron's Call last names, where you had to type the entire name out and a comma |
16:21.08 | haste | still running 1.9 version ^^; |
16:21.22 | Tain | Yeah well I remember having to petition a GM to get a last name. |
16:21.44 | Amadeo_ | haha |
16:21.45 | Amadeo_ | yeah |
16:21.50 | Amadeo_ | those were the days |
16:23.05 | Amadeo_ | Anyway |
16:23.20 | Amadeo_ | I need a Fury spec for my Warrior, because I'm bored with MS...yet I'm afraid to spec Fury, because MS debuff is so amazing |
16:24.57 | Tain | I'm working on a high-poison using spec for a Rogue right now for fun. |
16:25.11 | cladhaire | lol |
16:25.17 | cladhaire | i wish we could be DoT rogues |
16:25.20 | cladhaire | but its not easy to spec. |
16:26.46 | Tain | Nah it's not. |
16:27.37 | Amadeo_ | I'm convinced that the only reliable way to stop a Druid flag carrier in WSG is to get a nice MS on em so they can't heal or get heals as you beat them halfway across the zone |
16:27.52 | Tain | May 30 is Steak Day! |
16:28.03 | Amadeo_ | Steak Day? |
16:29.14 | CIA-17 | 03cladhaire * r1819 10/branches/Clique/ (5 files in 2 dirs): Clique: Moved templates out to CliqueTemplates.lua, and cleaned up some old stuff. |
16:30.01 | Amadeo_ | I have some nice ribeye in the basement |
16:32.08 | Neronix | WTB French speaker |
16:32.43 | Amadeo_ | http://www.google.com/language_tools?hl=en |
16:32.45 | Amadeo_ | muhaha |
16:32.46 | Amadeo_ | :P |
16:32.51 | Amadeo_ | I know, I know, don't say it |
16:33.22 | Neronix | That's what I initially used |
16:33.29 | Neronix | but it turns out it's much worse than I thought |
16:33.53 | Amadeo_ | Yeah, it helps you "get by", but it's pretty bad |
16:34.32 | Amadeo_ | since stuff just doesn't directly translate from one language to another, you have to interpret |
16:39.04 | Elkano | I used to have French at school, but that was 8 years ago :/ |
16:41.17 | Amadeo_ | Neronix: Do you need a lot translated? |
16:43.44 | Elkano | @Amadeo_: <Neronix> 6 phrases and 2 words |
16:44.19 | Amadeo_ | oh |
16:44.20 | Amadeo_ | haha |
16:44.29 | Amadeo_ | msg me them, I'll see what I can find for ya |
16:45.44 | Elkano | Amadeo_: http://svn.wowace.com/filedetails.php?repname=Ace+SVN&path=%2Ftrunk%2FNanoStats%2FNanoStatsLocals.lua |
16:46.53 | Amadeo_ | happen to have any links that don't take 15 years? |
16:46.55 | Amadeo_ | ooooooohhhh |
16:46.56 | Amadeo_ | :) |
16:47.17 | Amadeo_ | aw man |
16:47.19 | Amadeo_ | that one is fast :( |
16:47.56 | *** join/#wowace Neronix (i=neronix@user-3364.l5.c3.dsl.pol.co.uk) |
16:48.02 | Neronix | GYARGGHHHH |
16:48.07 | Neronix | split second power cut! |
16:48.11 | Neronix | 20 mins work lost! |
16:49.11 | Neronix | wait, only 2 mins work lost... >.> |
16:50.19 | Elkano | still having the locals or shall I resent? |
16:50.30 | Neronix | Still got them |
16:50.35 | Elkano | k :) |
16:51.44 | Elkano | and I'll be leaving for firefighters now :) l8erz :) |
16:53.10 | [MoonWolf] | Ratbert_CP, what did i do ? |
17:06.17 | Amadeo_ | so how many of you guys play WoW through some sort of *nix? |
17:07.24 | [MoonWolf] | i played it on suse 1.10 using cedega. |
17:07.29 | [MoonWolf] | back to windows thoguh |
17:07.36 | Gngsk | damn windows :\ |
17:07.38 | Amadeo_ | any problems? |
17:07.44 | [MoonWolf] | not really |
17:07.50 | [MoonWolf] | nothing game breaking |
17:08.01 | [MoonWolf] | i could not play wow sound and my own music at the same time though. |
17:16.11 | Wobin_ | Who wanted someone who spoke French? |
17:16.38 | Wobin_ | Shouryuu on wowi-lounge has helped me before with french localisatoin |
17:16.53 | [MoonWolf] | neronix ? only guessing. |
17:19.50 | Wobin_ | Amadeo_: |
17:19.59 | Wobin_ | oh no, Nero |
17:20.05 | Wobin_ | oh well |
17:26.29 | Ratbert_CP | [MoonWolf]: Sorry for my own AFK-ishness, but your latest release of Mendeleev has an extra folder in the path (i.e., mendeleev-1.7/mendeleev/...) |
17:26.38 | [MoonWolf] | oh |
17:26.39 | [MoonWolf] | yeah |
17:26.42 | [MoonWolf] | someone told me already |
17:26.44 | [MoonWolf] | sorry for that |
17:26.49 | Ratbert_CP | Kind of annoying to have to move it... :) |
17:27.19 | [MoonWolf] | 7.2 wont do it |
17:27.21 | [MoonWolf] | promise |
17:27.51 | [MoonWolf] | lol |
17:28.07 | Wobin_ | RAtty. I can help test BB if you have the time =) |
17:29.08 | Ratbert_CP | Wobin_: I don't have 100% available time (I am at work after all), but I'd be more than happy to have your help. |
17:42.58 | Amadeo_ | The new WoW races seem so unbalanced |
17:43.27 | Amadeo_ | Due to racials, that is |
17:43.52 | Amadeo_ | So Draenei gets 50 health over 15 seconds for a main racial |
17:44.46 | Amadeo_ | and Blood Elves silence all enemies within 8 yards for 2 seconds, and gain 20 energy/mana/rage for each mana tap (which stacks up to 3 times and drains 50 mana from your target) |
17:44.50 | Amadeo_ | Hmmmmmmmm |
17:45.30 | Amadeo_ | Imagine being a Blood Elf Warrior and taking an instant 60 Rage from an Enemy, pfft, game over for them |
17:45.34 | [MoonWolf] | that better scale or its nothign but a AoE silnce with a lot of hassle |
17:45.45 | Amadeo_ | depends on the class |
17:45.49 | Amadeo_ | for Rogue and Warrior, it's Godmode |
17:46.21 | Amadeo_ | only 2 minute cooldown, too |
17:48.45 | cladhaire | Yeah, but requires a minimum of a 1.5 minute setup |
17:48.59 | Amadeo_ | why? what's the cooldown on Mana Tap? |
17:49.00 | cladhaire | You can't mana tap a non-mana using mob either |
17:49.02 | cladhaire | 30 seconds |
17:49.14 | Amadeo_ | even so, 20 rage/energy is huge, and that would be instant |
17:49.31 | cladhaire | so you need three mana users that will let you walk up to them to tap them.. THEN you can use the AOE silence to gain the 60 rage |
17:49.33 | Amadeo_ | I'm talking about PvP, I don't care too much about PvE balance, hehe |
17:49.38 | cladhaire | so am I |
17:49.47 | cladhaire | its like people complaining about Cold Blood, or other cooldowns |
17:49.57 | cladhaire | yeah a rogue or a mage can whoop your ass in 3 seconds.. every 5 minutes. |
17:50.00 | Amadeo_ | eh? |
17:50.06 | Amadeo_ | Rogue and Warrior are melee-range classes |
17:50.10 | Amadeo_ | they're going to be in melee range always |
17:50.12 | Amadeo_ | or they're not fighting |
17:50.40 | cladhaire | .. yeah I know that.. whats your point? |
17:50.47 | cladhaire | lol |
17:50.49 | Amadeo_ | Well, you said someone has to let them walk up |
17:50.50 | Amadeo_ | well |
17:50.50 | cladhaire | Its not as easy as you think it'll be. |
17:50.54 | Amadeo_ | they're melee, so it happens all the time |
17:50.59 | Amadeo_ | or else Rogues and Warriors wouldn't kill anyone, right? :P |
17:51.14 | [MoonWolf] | Wait, rogues can kill stuff now ? |
17:51.18 | cladhaire | Yes, but then they have to survive that fight |
17:51.22 | Amadeo_ | I'mc onfused |
17:51.23 | cladhaire | its not 1,2,3 60 Rage woot. |
17:51.30 | Amadeo_ | You're not forced to stack mana tap 3 times |
17:51.34 | [MoonWolf] | its still alot of set up. |
17:51.34 | Amadeo_ | You can just do it once if you want |
17:51.36 | Amadeo_ | right? |
17:51.41 | Amadeo_ | it's optional |
17:51.55 | cladhaire | yes you can do it once |
17:52.08 | Amadeo_ | so why would it take so much time? |
17:52.14 | Amadeo_ | I could run up to someone as a Warrior and do it whenever |
17:52.22 | cladhaire | is it better than most racials currently in the game? yes. |
17:52.35 | Amadeo_ | To get 60, I agree it would take a while |
17:52.43 | Amadeo_ | (Three Mana Taps) |
17:52.53 | [MoonWolf] | i think, presonally, its interesting but not imba. |
17:52.57 | cladhaire | even a single tap + arcane torment.. during that time you'r enot attacking |
17:53.08 | cladhaire | warlock will fear you, mage will blink, etc. |
17:53.09 | Amadeo_ | do they have cast times? |
17:53.15 | cladhaire | no, but they activate the global cooldown |
17:53.40 | Amadeo_ | there's a lot of white damage swings on my Warrior against most classes |
17:53.45 | Amadeo_ | so it wouldn't be bad |
17:53.54 | Amadeo_ | because I'm trying to get that rage! |
17:53.59 | Amadeo_ | hehe |
17:54.03 | cladhaire | charge + cooldown + mana tap + cooldown |
17:54.14 | cladhaire | if the caster is sitting there.. they're stupid and have something else to worry about. |
17:54.30 | Amadeo_ | but it's more than just the energy |
17:54.36 | cladhaire | and considering you can only tap the mana users.. shaman and paladins will likely be tapped more than anyone |
17:54.37 | Amadeo_ | the cooldowns are negated by the silence |
17:54.53 | cladhaire | no, they're not.. thats my point.. no one shoudl be standing within range by the time you're able to cast it. |
17:55.00 | [MoonWolf] | Silence wont do you good for rogues or warriors. |
17:55.17 | Amadeo_ | I don't get why you keep saying that, because they're instants |
17:55.26 | Amadeo_ | I can charge and hit an instant before you can get away |
17:55.28 | cladhaire | global cooldown |
17:55.35 | cladhaire | you have to hit TWO instants. |
17:55.40 | Amadeo_ | yeah |
17:55.41 | cladhaire | thats a full three seconds. |
17:55.49 | Amadeo_ | Charge + Hamstring is first :P |
17:55.52 | Amadeo_ | everyone deals with cooldowns |
17:55.54 | cladhaire | only one of which they're stunned- in ideal circumstances. |
17:55.57 | Amadeo_ | I'm not gonna be the only one using them |
17:55.57 | cladhaire | *sigh* |
17:56.05 | cladhaire | have you ever played anything other than a warrior in PVP? |
17:56.06 | cladhaire | lol |
17:56.09 | Amadeo_ | Yeah |
17:56.12 | cladhaire | Blink.. out of range |
17:56.13 | Amadeo_ | I have a 60 Warlock and 60 Priest |
17:56.20 | cladhaire | Fear/DeathCoil/Psychic Scream, etc. |
17:56.25 | cladhaire | whoops.. you can't silence me now. |
17:56.30 | Amadeo_ | there are counters for all of those |
17:56.37 | cladhaire | .. not that you can use and strill get the spell off. |
17:56.39 | Amadeo_ | well, maybe not DC, but it'll resist :P |
17:56.59 | cladhaire | Fear yes, it won't likely get off. |
17:57.01 | Amadeo_ | Charge - Hamstring - Break Fear with Berserker, Intercept |
17:57.17 | cladhaire | Its not as easy as you think. |
17:57.19 | cladhaire | *shrug* |
17:57.21 | weab | news flash: theorycraft sucks. let the damn thing come out and then decide |
17:57.22 | cladhaire | we can agree to disagree |
17:57.25 | cladhaire | its NOT an IWin button |
17:57.30 | [MoonWolf] | i think actually that arcane torrent is outperforemed in usefullness by warstomp |
17:57.35 | Amadeo_ | I think it is :) |
17:57.38 | cladhaire | [MoonWolf]: I agree |
17:57.42 | Amadeo_ | Warstomp is nice, but it's not that great |
17:57.46 | cladhaire | .... |
17:57.54 | kergoth | war stomp has saved my ass more times than i can count |
17:57.56 | kergoth | morning all |
17:57.58 | cladhaire | wow. |
17:57.58 | [MoonWolf] | its a STUN a great spell interupter. |
17:58.02 | Amadeo_ | yeah |
17:58.04 | [MoonWolf] | morning all |
17:58.06 | cladhaire | Stun > Silence. |
17:58.06 | Amadeo_ | trinket kills stun |
17:58.11 | Amadeo_ | so it's pointless |
17:58.24 | cladhaire | Amadeo_: You're talking in your perfect world.. it never really works like that. |
17:58.26 | Amadeo_ | You can't stop a silence |
17:58.27 | [MoonWolf] | yes, but a stun effects everthing, a silence only effects casters |
17:58.42 | cladhaire | Will a BloodElf have an advantage against CASTERS in PVP.. yes.. a slight advantage. |
17:58.50 | cladhaire | but only rogues and warriors. |
17:58.52 | [MoonWolf] | on top of that, warstomp is a straight forward effect, no hassle. |
17:59.07 | cladhaire | Its no more imba that WoTF |
17:59.08 | Amadeo_ | I would imagine you can take Rage from another Warrior as a Blood Elf too |
17:59.14 | cladhaire | Well, you're wrong. |
17:59.15 | cladhaire | its mana. |
17:59.17 | cladhaire | =) |
17:59.20 | cladhaire | I've seen it in action |
17:59.26 | Amadeo_ | So it converts all Mana to Rage and Energy? |
17:59.27 | [MoonWolf] | this ability is tied to their magic addiction |
17:59.33 | [MoonWolf] | they dont do rage or energy or focus. |
17:59.35 | cladhaire | You can onloy MANA tap casters.. |
17:59.41 | cladhaire | you get the bonus back as whatever your energy is. |
17:59.43 | cladhaire | but you can only tap casters. |
17:59.44 | [MoonWolf] | this is how they get high on magic |
17:59.59 | Amadeo_ | That makes it a bit easier on my mind then |
18:00.03 | cladhaire | and last time I checked in PVP, as much as the warriors like to 1v1 the casters-- that rarely happens. |
18:00.05 | cladhaire | =) |
18:00.14 | cladhaire | at least as a druid, I do my best to stop that from happening. |
18:00.50 | Amadeo_ | It would be awesome as a Priest too |
18:00.52 | Amadeo_ | can you be a BE Priest? |
18:01.09 | cladhaire | I believe so |
18:01.12 | [MoonWolf] | yes |
18:01.16 | [MoonWolf] | be have all casters |
18:01.20 | Amadeo_ | I see |
18:01.52 | Amadeo_ | Silence effects Warriors for a few things |
18:01.54 | Amadeo_ | Shouts, for example |
18:02.03 | Amadeo_ | dunno bout Rogues |
18:02.07 | cladhaire | does affect rogues worth a damn |
18:02.17 | cladhaire | might stop us from "exposing armor" or somethign stupid =) |
18:02.25 | Amadeo_ | haha |
18:02.34 | Amadeo_ | expose armor helps on Warriors! |
18:02.38 | cladhaire | ... |
18:02.43 | [MoonWolf] | expose armor would be graet in raids |
18:02.45 | cladhaire | oh.. you mean helps against warriors =) |
18:02.47 | Amadeo_ | yeah |
18:02.50 | [MoonWolf] | if it stacked |
18:02.53 | cladhaire | we are forced to take expose armor off our bars |
18:02.56 | cladhaire | so no one hits it on accident. |
18:03.06 | [MoonWolf] | i dont even have rank2 |
18:03.09 | cladhaire | =) |
18:03.10 | Amadeo_ | This Rogue pissed me off in Uldaman...he used Expose Armor and then my Sunders wouldn't work :( |
18:03.14 | Amadeo_ | so I couldn't get any aggro |
18:03.25 | [MoonWolf] | if only it stacked |
18:03.27 | cladhaire | I bought them all, but I just use DoTS against heavy armor. |
18:03.27 | Amadeo_ | on the boss :( |
18:04.00 | Ratbert_CP | svn.wowace.com web interface is down? |
18:04.23 | [MoonWolf] | clad, imp rupture ? |
18:04.48 | cladhaire | Ratbert_CP: Yeah looks lik ethe SVN is down for a bit |
18:04.48 | cladhaire | *shrug* |
18:05.00 | cladhaire | [MoonWolf]: No, i'm combat swords, bt if i could be a DoT rogue i would |
18:05.05 | cladhaire | but the spec is all over the place. |
18:05.10 | cladhaire | deep assas, deep sublety.. and even that sucks. |
18:05.35 | [MoonWolf] | rogues have a problems, all trees are viable |
18:06.08 | weab | thats a problem? |
18:06.12 | cladhaire | eah |
18:06.13 | cladhaire | yeah |
18:06.15 | [MoonWolf] | in a way |
18:06.18 | cladhaire | there's NO good mix-and-match |
18:06.22 | cladhaire | except Prep + somethign else. |
18:06.27 | cladhaire | nothing else worth going down to |
18:06.29 | [MoonWolf] | for instance the cooky cutter is spread over 3 trees. |
18:06.47 | weab | i don't so much see any problem with rog talents |
18:06.55 | weab | minor things to fix |
18:06.59 | cladhaire | Seal Fate takes 30 points, any of the wep specs take 25-30 points |
18:07.09 | cladhaire | there's no "Heart of the Wild" + Nature's Swiftness |
18:07.28 | [MoonWolf] | the weapon specs arnt that good. the posions suck, the end talents in those trees are good though |
18:07.36 | cladhaire | Adren Rush is okay |
18:07.40 | cladhaire | i hate the cooldown, too high imo |
18:07.41 | [MoonWolf] | subtelty is the best tree overall. |
18:07.53 | [MoonWolf] | but i love combat because its more my thing |
18:07.59 | [MoonWolf] | if only hemo could be in combat. |
18:08.06 | [MoonWolf] | i would be totally content then. |
18:08.13 | cladhaire | Setup is a joke |
18:08.28 | [MoonWolf] | setup should be exchanged with cold blood. |
18:08.30 | [MoonWolf] | hehe |
18:08.32 | [MoonWolf] | not really |
18:08.38 | cladhaire | i dont like cold blood |
18:08.42 | cladhaire | seal fate is the best talent we have |
18:08.45 | [MoonWolf] | wit has its uses. |
18:08.47 | [MoonWolf] | it* |
18:09.02 | cladhaire | i dojnt like relying on cooldown talents for anything |
18:09.09 | [MoonWolf] | true |
18:09.16 | cladhaire | but thats just me |
18:09.17 | [MoonWolf] | im currently hemo combat. |
18:09.21 | [MoonWolf] | weirdest build EVER. |
18:09.24 | cladhaire | heheh |
18:09.25 | cladhaire | agreed |
18:09.43 | [MoonWolf] | But fun though |
18:10.40 | [MoonWolf] | i could never be a rogue without 11 points into combat |
18:10.48 | [MoonWolf] | but ever since i tried hemo i could not live without it either. |
18:11.52 | cladhaire | hemo doesn't havea ton of solo utility over SS |
18:12.39 | [MoonWolf] | i yust like it. |
18:13.02 | Amadeo_ | Hm, thinking about that racial more...it's going to help Rogues mainly, at least at 60 |
18:13.09 | Amadeo_ | and helps Warriors a lot pre-60 |
18:13.19 | Amadeo_ | but once they get good gear and 60, the Rage might not mean as much |
18:13.36 | Amadeo_ | Since Rogue Energy generation is static without items/potions, I would assume it would help them more |
18:13.47 | Ratbert_CP | Damn it! |
18:13.55 | Amadeo_ | Sorry Ratbert |
18:13.57 | Amadeo_ | :( |
18:14.05 | [MoonWolf] | actually, im rooting that hemo will get put lower in the tree come 1.12 |
18:14.33 | [MoonWolf] | Ratbert_CP, rant about the ..... copier. |
18:14.39 | Amadeo_ | You guys are both Rogues? Moon/clad? |
18:14.42 | [MoonWolf] | im sure the copier has something wrong about it. |
18:14.50 | [MoonWolf] | Amadeo_, i have a rogue a hunter and a warlock. |
18:14.51 | *** join/#wowace Neronix (i=neronix@user-3891.lns2-c7.dsl.pol.co.uk) |
18:15.03 | Neronix | ninja reboot happened while afk >.> |
18:15.06 | Ratbert_CP | Can't use BankFrame:IsVisible(), since the *#&$!@ BankNon (and who knows how many other addons) completely replace the bank frame... |
18:18.38 | cladhaire | Amadeo_: I'm rogue, priest, druid, hunter |
18:19.31 | Amadeo_ | I see |
18:19.33 | Amadeo_ | Hey! |
18:19.37 | Amadeo_ | Hunters have mana too! |
18:19.48 | Wobin_ | Ratbert_CP: why not, on the events? |
18:22.34 | Wobin_ | hm, night! |
18:26.19 | Amadeo_ | I need to talk about Fury specs with someone :( |
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18:46.03 | kergoth | hm, whats the url to the upcoming mage changes again? the ones that werent yet confirmed? |
18:53.48 | Neronix | is ui.worldofwar.net down for anyone else? |
18:54.25 | cladhaire | kergoth: http://www.wowhead.com/talent has the new calculator |
18:55.29 | GenNMX|Thrae | Who do I yell at when the svn is down? |
18:55.43 | cladhaire | me |
18:55.46 | cladhaire | and i tell you to bite me. |
18:56.00 | [MoonWolf] | tasty |
18:56.40 | cladhaire | 45 mins 1 sec ago: Outage verified: We are actively looking into resolving it. |
18:56.40 | cladhaire | Â Â 52 mins 52 secs ago: Outage first reported. |
18:57.32 | GenNMX|Thrae | 1 minute 30 seconds ago: GenNMX|Thrae bites cladhaire in an impaitent, immature display. |
18:59.14 | cladhaire | woot |
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19:06.35 | Tekcub | erf |
19:06.42 | Tekcub | people always want shit |
19:06.50 | netcurse | noo! |
19:06.50 | Tekcub | my todo list keeps getting longer |
19:07.06 | netcurse | kergoth use http://www.curse-gaming.com/en/wow/talents.html |
19:07.06 | netcurse | :D |
19:11.00 | Neronix | netcurse: What will Curse's DB have that the others don't? |
19:11.42 | netcurse | You mean our database like thott and alla ? |
19:11.46 | Neronix | yeah |
19:11.51 | netcurse | the list is to long lol :P |
19:11.55 | Neronix | Heh |
19:11.56 | Tekcub | I got two ideas for you there net.... |
19:12.10 | Tekcub | 1) itemids (alla has this) |
19:12.16 | Neronix | Why don't you, WorldofWar and WowHead join forces? |
19:12.17 | Tekcub | 2) spell icon paths |
19:12.24 | netcurse | worldofwar is a compagny |
19:12.26 | Tekcub | would help us devs a lot |
19:12.37 | netcurse | i never saw the wowhead staff |
19:12.45 | Tain | Screw joining forces, competition is good! |
19:12.48 | Tekcub | well, spell and buff/debuff paths |
19:12.52 | netcurse | Tekcub, noting it |
19:13.00 | Tekcub | ^^ |
19:13.04 | Neronix | Tain: There'll still be competition |
19:13.12 | netcurse | Worldofwar are wow fansite |
19:13.13 | Tekcub | people add shit to my todo list, I do the same |
19:13.15 | Tekcub | muahahahaha |
19:13.16 | netcurse | they can t datamine |
19:13.19 | Neronix | That coalition vs Zam |
19:13.36 | netcurse | no datamining = no good db |
19:13.54 | Neronix | netcurse: I see |
19:13.57 | netcurse | about wowhead i have no clue what they are doing, i b happy ot talk with their staff tho |
19:14.06 | Amadeo_ | <3 Tekcub :P |
19:14.17 | Tekcub | yea ama, I know I know.... |
19:14.21 | Tekcub | getting there :) |
19:14.22 | Amadeo_ | :D |
19:14.33 | Tekcub | Cork's core is nearly done |
19:14.36 | netcurse | Neronix i don tthin Zam will be that strong |
19:14.48 | netcurse | they will have a full paid developers team right, none other site got that |
19:14.51 | Tekcub | hoping I can clear off some of my todo list today |
19:15.15 | netcurse | i spoke with thott yersterday he told me that he isn t be in zam so i don t know |
19:15.22 | netcurse | alla + all ogaming site for sure |
19:15.33 | Neronix | I see |
19:15.36 | Industrial | LOL!!! |
19:15.44 | Industrial | Grim Batol is full |
19:15.47 | Tekcub | honestly, unless Zam develops some amazing new totally different site... they're just gonna keep what users they have in each section already |
19:15.49 | Industrial | queue place 555 |
19:15.51 | Industrial | >_o |
19:16.02 | Industrial | thats freaking INSANE |
19:16.10 | Amadeo_ | that's how Akama used to be |
19:16.12 | Tekcub | no it's not indie |
19:16.15 | Tekcub | 666 would be |
19:16.20 | Industrial | haste: you sure about this? |
19:16.21 | Industrial | :| |
19:16.34 | Industrial | oh my gawd 76 minutes |
19:16.38 | Amadeo_ | Tekcub: You have to convince Industrial that he wants to update idChat |
19:16.40 | Industrial | so not going to log in there |
19:16.43 | Industrial | :'( |
19:17.06 | Tekcub | indie, STFU and do what your user wants |
19:17.17 | Amadeo_ | rofl |
19:17.17 | netcurse | but tain is right competition is good and it s fun :) |
19:17.19 | Industrial | Tekcub: you stfu, i have about 2 hours a WEEK to code on wow |
19:17.20 | Tekcub | I mean, he's the only one you got, you should try to keep him... |
19:17.27 | Amadeo_ | This is like Tron |
19:17.29 | Tekcub | *hides* |
19:17.44 | Industrial | Tekcub: and i made a new addon yesterday. |
19:17.47 | Industrial | :> |
19:18.02 | Tekcub | oh so you got another user? |
19:18.12 | Industrial | I code for myself thank you |
19:18.19 | cladhaire | lol |
19:18.19 | Industrial | ill put it on the svn today |
19:18.22 | Tekcub | keep this up and you'll have 4 by the end of the month! |
19:18.40 | Tekcub | yea I know, I'm a "for myself" type too |
19:18.43 | Industrial | Tekcub: your epeen is so bigger then mine *careface* |
19:18.55 | Tekcub | but then I post my little bits and people start asking for shit |
19:19.05 | Neronix | Indie's got at least 2 :P |
19:19.06 | Neronix | <-- |
19:19.06 | cladhaire | Industrial: Its okay, your real peen is bigger |
19:19.09 | cladhaire | lol |
19:19.18 | cladhaire | i use idchat one a few of my chars too |
19:19.21 | Industrial | Tekcub: owned xD |
19:19.24 | Tekcub | see indie, you're just rakin' in the users |
19:19.24 | Neronix | 3 |
19:19.43 | Tekcub | I bet some HOT DICKINGS would get ya a few dozen |
19:19.54 | Amadeo_ | All of us idChat users are begging for an update ;) |
19:20.02 | Industrial | nu-uh, not goin to happen |
19:20.08 | Neronix | Why does it need an update? |
19:20.13 | Tain | I want a down-date to idchat |
19:20.16 | Industrial | maybe if i can get a few female wow players to come over.. |
19:20.25 | Tain | Get rid of that chat replacement stuff! |
19:20.40 | Industrial | uh you can turn it off and there is no problem |
19:20.46 | Amadeo_ | Oh yeah, I don't need that either :) |
19:21.03 | Industrial | oh you mean the abbreviations? yeah nobody uses that.. |
19:21.04 | Neronix | Neither do I, but removing it's not really an update :P |
19:21.07 | Industrial | i could trash it.. |
19:21.07 | Tain | Actually I removed it. There's still a difference between turning it on and off, and getting rid of the code. |
19:21.27 | Tain | But that's me, I don't claim to speak for the average player. |
19:21.34 | Industrial | meh whats it like 30 lines of code? it doesnt even hook when its ogg |
19:21.39 | Industrial | off* |
19:21.46 | Tain | Actually, I won't claim to speak for the average anything. |
19:21.47 | Amadeo_ | I just want that cool link-copy thing that ChatBox has, and maybe the enchant-links :D |
19:21.47 | Industrial | but YES ill try to squeeze in some time ;) |
19:22.26 | Amadeo_ | Industrial's users are ganging up on him |
19:22.46 | Industrial | :p |
19:22.53 | Industrial | fine fine ill do it now |
19:23.07 | Amadeo_ | :D |
19:23.43 | Amadeo_ | Industrial: Haven't you always wanted a feature in MountMe that would automatically dismount you when you performed an action? |
19:24.01 | Tekcub | :P |
19:24.02 | Industrial | I don't have level 40+ chars |
19:24.09 | Amadeo_ | Oh man |
19:24.10 | Tain | hah denied! |
19:24.14 | Industrial | ;> |
19:24.15 | Amadeo_ | I lose :( |
19:24.17 | Tekcub | yea indie's not the person to get support from there |
19:24.20 | Amadeo_ | hahah |
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19:25.12 | ckknight | hey all |
19:25.15 | Industrial | bank cash in time \o/ |
19:25.18 | Industrial | lo ck |
19:25.40 | ckknight | I've been away, Amadeo |
19:25.47 | Industrial | <3 AH_MailCollect |
19:25.48 | ckknight | which means no work |
19:25.48 | Amadeo_ | I know! |
19:25.54 | Amadeo_ | I'm getting it ready |
19:25.59 | Amadeo_ | It's shaking at the sight of you |
19:25.59 | Industrial | ckknight: so how was it? |
19:25.59 | ckknight | so you'll get em...later |
19:26.06 | Neronix | wb ckknight |
19:26.09 | ckknight | I had to go to two graduations |
19:26.10 | Tekcub | the bitch returns! |
19:26.17 | ckknight | and neither one had padded seats |
19:26.19 | ckknight | I mean, Jesus |
19:26.20 | Industrial | meh i only made 3g profit :( |
19:26.25 | ckknight | my ass is bony |
19:26.28 | Tekcub | graduations suck |
19:26.34 | Tain | Ug I tried to update AH_MailCollect recently but it just served to remind me how much I hate the mail system and gave up. |
19:26.34 | Tekcub | I didn't even want to go to my own |
19:26.35 | ckknight | get me some goddamn padded seats |
19:26.48 | Amadeo_ | What's AH_MailCollect? Who's it by? |
19:26.50 | Tekcub | my calc teacher called us the "meh, just mail it to me" class |
19:26.55 | Tain | It's by me. |
19:27.10 | Tekcub | but they made us do it cause we were all "special" because we were the class of 2000 |
19:27.12 | ckknight | my fmily's still in town, so I still am not back on my 30 hour a day schedule |
19:27.13 | Tain | It automatically collects items and money from auction house mails. |
19:27.16 | Amadeo_ | Ahhh, by Tain :( |
19:27.27 | Amadeo_ | I'll check it out |
19:27.43 | Tain | Or also collects an item from an email when you open that message if you don't want it all automated. |
19:27.51 | Tekcub | hey bossman, if you lock a detached tooltip the clicking doesn't work anymore >< |
19:28.06 | Neronix | Tekcub: You need to do alt+right-click |
19:28.27 | Neronix | It'd be really nice if users could change that *wink wink* |
19:28.40 | Tekcub | yea, considering how cork's designed.... |
19:29.19 | Tekcub | also some means to disable the menu on clickable items and instead pass the mousebutton to the method would help too |
19:29.25 | Tekcub | *hint* *grin* |
19:29.39 | ckknight | Tekcub, the locking is pretty obvious |
19:29.50 | ckknight | it makes it so you can't move/click it |
19:30.16 | ckknight | you need to be able to have something else unlock it |
19:30.22 | Tekcub | it should only lock movement |
19:30.23 | ckknight | or teach the user to press alt |
19:30.27 | ckknight | I can't |
19:30.32 | ckknight | there's no way to do that |
19:30.36 | Tekcub | or maybe options to lock move and clicks seperately |
19:30.48 | ckknight | I can't lock movement without locking clicks |
19:30.57 | Tekcub | hrm... okey then |
19:31.10 | ckknight | locking lets clicks pass through to the world frame |
19:31.19 | Tekcub | ah, iceee |
19:31.39 | Neronix | How about having some invisible overlay frame to catch clicks? |
19:31.59 | Neronix | (that's anchored onto the tablet) |
19:32.02 | Tekcub | still tho, options to kill the menu on clickables and instead pass the mouse button would be nice :) |
19:32.14 | Tain | Wow I just went through the entire Rogue tree for the first time in a long time, I hadn't really planned out my build much in advance. |
19:32.27 | Tain | I can't even imagine taking at least half of the skills in it. Ever. |
19:33.25 | [MoonWolf] | throwing weapon spec |
19:33.25 | ckknight | Neronix, doesn't work like that |
19:33.27 | Tain | I'd love to be able to take fist weapon spec! |
19:33.42 | Neronix | I see |
19:33.56 | Neronix | Tain: Yeah, fist weapons need serious love |
19:34.06 | Neronix | last time I checked, there were like 3 blues O.o |
19:34.35 | cladhaire | Eshkandar's Right Claw is pretty decent for a fist weapon |
19:34.37 | Tain | Whatever ones there are the last time I looked, which was a good while ago, they weren't anywhere near comparable to other weapons. |
19:34.42 | Ratbert_CP | damn! [MoonWolf]! You still here? |
19:34.49 | [MoonWolf] | 5 secs |
19:34.54 | cladhaire | You have to be fist/poison spec tho |
19:35.08 | [MoonWolf] | better make it fast Ratbert_CP |
19:35.36 | Ratbert_CP | [MoonWolf]: I'd like to leverage or duplicate Medy's recipie data. i.e., If I know a recipie that uses an item, don't trash it... |
19:36.02 | [MoonWolf] | mendy's recipie data comes straight out of PT |
19:36.02 | Tekcub | Rat, he use PTEmbed's tradeskill module for that :) |
19:36.16 | Ratbert_CP | Ah! Bonus. Thankee! |
19:36.24 | CIA-17 | 03neronix * r1820 10NanoStats/ (Changelog.txt NanoStats.lua NanoStatsLocals.lua): |
19:36.24 | CIA-17 | NanoStats |
19:36.24 | CIA-17 | - Switched parser to a system based entirely on BabbleLib's Deformat. Foolproof, and only sssssslightly slower than the current hybrid system |
19:36.24 | CIA-17 | - Improved DE localisation (Thanks Elkano!) |
19:36.25 | [MoonWolf] | its well documented. |
19:37.54 | Amadeo_ | it won't stop being crappy outsid |
19:37.54 | Amadeo_ | e |
19:38.39 | Tain | Bah I want to do a build with Vile Poisons and Imp. Instant Poison but it's not looking positive. |
19:40.25 | Amadeo_ | Tekcub: What would you do if you went to WoWI one day and it said: Most Downloaded - idChat |
19:41.54 | Tekcub | *shrug* |
19:42.01 | Tekcub | I just like givin id crap |
19:43.15 | Amadeo_ | :( |
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19:47.39 | Neronix | ... |
19:47.44 | Neronix | lusers strike again! |
19:47.52 | Neronix | "Wow, require bloatware libaries=bloatware addon. Keep flying ;)" |
19:47.58 | Neronix | dude commenting about embeds |
19:48.32 | Industrial | "omgliek lern2stfu and lern2code newb ass mother*beep beep beep*" |
19:51.31 | CIA-17 | 03tekkub * r1821 10FuBar_CorkFu/ClassShaman.lua: FuBar_CorkFu - Added Shaman Buff/debuff modules |
19:52.06 | Tekcub | one less stupid user, not my problem :) |
19:52.24 | CIA-17 | 03id * r1822 10idChat/ (idChat.lua idChat.toc): idChat: converted the addon to the 'out of the constructor' style, because this will aid in separating it into smaller parts, and updated the toc file |
19:52.26 | Industrial | poof |
19:52.54 | Tekcub | it's sad that too many bloated libraries early on set people on this "libraries are bad" trend |
19:53.02 | Neronix | Yeah |
19:53.28 | Neronix | I explained in my reply the difference between the embeds I used and Sea, Earth and co |
19:53.30 | Industrial | As long as my stuff works without I see no reason in using one. |
19:53.30 | Amadeo_ | whoaaa |
19:53.32 | Amadeo_ | idchat update! |
19:53.44 | Industrial | Amadeo_: yes im working on it now |
19:53.51 | Amadeo_ | :DDD<34 |
19:53.53 | Amadeo_ | -4 |
19:54.32 | Industrial | I'm removing abbreviations, because no-one uses it, including me. |
19:54.48 | Industrial | if someone ever want it sback its oin the svn anyway so whatever :P |
19:54.55 | Amadeo_ | :) |
19:56.25 | ckknight | so |
19:56.32 | ckknight | what progress has been made in my absense? |
19:56.37 | ckknight | absence* |
19:56.42 | CIA-17 | 03id * r1823 10idChat/idChat.lua: idChat: Removed some stuff like abbreviations that no-one ever uses, including me. |
19:56.45 | Industrial | Amadeo_: soon |
19:57.50 | Amadeo_ | ckknight: Tekcub was just working on putting auto-dismount on action into MountMe |
19:57.58 | ckknight | hrm |
19:58.02 | ckknight | anything with Ace? |
19:58.08 | Amadeo_ | haha |
19:58.16 | Tekcub | I got a crapton done on Cork :) |
19:58.16 | Neronix | ckknight: Not that I know of |
19:58.20 | ckknight | :-P |
19:58.21 | Amadeo_ | TOC update for Ace |
19:58.24 | Amadeo_ | 1.3.1 :P |
19:58.42 | ckknight | Tekcub, anything you want in Tablet? |
19:58.43 | Neronix | apart from said TOC update, nothing :P |
19:59.06 | ckknight | any work on the OO stuff or Ace2 dev? |
19:59.11 | Tekcub | I said it already, option to kill the menu on clickable items and instead pass the mousebutton |
19:59.21 | Tekcub | that's really about it :) |
19:59.45 | Neronix | We need an embed FAQ |
19:59.45 | ckknight | you mean allow RightButton to go through? |
20:00.05 | Tekcub | maybe an option to set a value that's passed to the menu method also, it's hard to do anything with the tooltip menu when it's nil... |
20:00.06 | Neronix | so we can macro a link to it whenever some mono-neuron moans |
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20:00.18 | Tekcub | right, left, middle, 4 and 5, yes |
20:00.35 | ckknight | as clicks? |
20:00.41 | Tekcub | and if you let me set a value I can talor the menu to the item you clicked... |
20:00.54 | ckknight | hrm |
20:00.57 | Tekcub | prolly just pass the mouse button clicked |
20:01.01 | Tekcub | like as an arg |
20:01.13 | Tekcub | the heal module will need it for clickcasting |
20:01.33 | Tekcub | otherwise I don't care |
20:01.42 | ckknight | so you want to be able to override RightButton to go through the function provided instead of opening a menu? |
20:02.41 | Tekcub | I want to just set a flag that will cause it to call the method regardless of which mouse button and pass that button to the method |
20:03.16 | Neronix | Hah, Devla wtfpwnt the luser I was having trouble with ^^ |
20:03.26 | Tekcub | oh BTW I added arg4 into DewDrop, cause I needed it :) |
20:03.34 | ckknight | committed? |
20:03.38 | Tekcub | yarr |
20:03.41 | ckknight | alright |
20:03.43 | ckknight | that's fine |
20:03.48 | Tekcub | it was a simple change :) |
20:03.52 | ckknight | yea |
20:03.54 | ckknight | I'll bet |
20:04.06 | ckknight | did you change it in the API docs? |
20:04.08 | Tekcub | like 3 lines, odit the API docs |
20:04.11 | ckknight | okay |
20:04.16 | ckknight | yea, I'm cool with that |
20:04.33 | ckknight | people can make changes to my stuff as long as it doesn't break API and as long as it doesn't slow things down |
20:04.47 | Tekcub | hrm... now that I think about it I might need to set two values to be passed to me menu... |
20:05.03 | Tekcub | can you make it so we can set the n-1, n-2 values too? |
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20:05.37 | Tekcub | cause I need to pass both unit and module, which are lower-level values in the main menu |
20:05.56 | Tekcub | and as usualy, I don't want to set tables for values |
20:05.59 | Elkano | Tekcub, MailFu seems to work now :) |
20:06.11 | Elkano | so it was that initial event :) |
20:06.11 | Tekcub | MailFu always worked bishie! |
20:06.17 | Tekcub | oh taht |
20:06.22 | GenNMX|Thrae | Is there a Tain around? |
20:06.31 | Tekcub | I thought you meant the latest version of Fu on the SVN |
20:06.46 | ckknight | Tekcub, n-1, n-2? |
20:07.10 | Tekcub | BTW ckk, next time you make a major revision to Fu, you mind doin it in a branch :P |
20:07.25 | Elkano | wrt that I knew that it was a problem with FuBar and not with MailFu :) |
20:07.31 | Tekcub | you know, those args we tacked on the end o the MenuSetting method |
20:07.58 | Tekcub | let me set what to pass to those value args if it's calling the menu from the tooltip |
20:08.36 | Elkano | ckknight, wrt updating deDE strings in GloryLib, shall I talk about that with you or hyperChipmunk? |
20:08.46 | ckknight | either |
20:08.53 | ckknight | do you have an svn account? |
20:09.23 | Tekcub | so if I right-cilck a tooltip item it calls FuBar_CorkFu:MenuSettings(1, unit, true, module) instead of just passing nils |
20:09.47 | Elkano | nope, not yet |
20:10.00 | ckknight | okay, Tekcub |
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20:10.39 | Tekcub | that'd make it so if you click a druid in party 4 I can show fliters for the unit name, party4, druids, and everyone |
20:10.46 | ckknight | so you want to manually set valueN_1 and such? |
20:10.46 | Elkano | but there will be some problems coming up anyways since German hase mor than one article (?) so a generic pattern for AB will most likely not work |
20:10.49 | Tekcub | instead of every menu being the same in the tooltip |
20:10.59 | Tekcub | yea, but only on the tooltip |
20:11.25 | Tekcub | so like, give us menuvalue, menuvalueN_1... args to addline |
20:11.44 | Industrial | cladhaire: with HookScript can i use a function isntead of a string - the name of a function - as the third argument? |
20:11.53 | ckknight | yea, I'll put in value overrides |
20:11.54 | Tekcub | Id, yes |
20:12.10 | ckknight | Elkano, alright, feel free to email me the translations, I guess |
20:12.11 | Industrial | cladhaire: oh wait it refers to self.thatfunctionfromthestring right |
20:12.17 | Tekcub | it can be anony or well definded too :) |
20:12.23 | Industrial | yay |
20:12.41 | Tekcub | yes, if you pass a string it's self[thatstring] |
20:12.50 | Tekcub | but you can pass functions too |
20:13.10 | Tekcub | it's all in the wiki documentation! |
20:14.55 | Amadeo_ | Wobin said the wiki is my friend, but it's everyones friend, so it's kind of slutty |
20:17.05 | cladhaire | O.o |
20:17.07 | cladhaire | Industrial: Huh? |
20:17.08 | cladhaire | lol |
20:18.25 | Industrial | cladhaire: never mind :-) |
20:19.24 | Elkano | ckknight, is there a way to substitute the matched values? The message is "x hat den Hof angegriffen!" or "x hat die Schmiede angegriffen!" so I would have to match "den Hof", "die Schmiede" and remove the leading word. Also "die Schmiede" is called "Schmied" on the map :/ |
20:20.27 | ckknight | yes |
20:20.30 | ckknight | we do it for enUS |
20:22.35 | Elkano | shall I query you a list of strings I had captured in AB? |
20:23.41 | ckknight | sure |
20:23.50 | ckknight | unless hyperChipmunk is awake |
20:24.58 | Elkano | ok, done :) |
20:25.41 | Elkano | I don't have any char allowed into AV, yet, so only AB strings |
20:26.37 | CIA-17 | 03tekkub * r1824 10SpecialEventsEmbed/Aura/SEEmbedAura.lua: SpecialEventsEmbed - Added some asserts to Aura module to try to weed out an odd bug |
20:26.48 | cladhaire | Ok |
20:26.54 | cladhaire | can i ask you gusy an opinion really quick: |
20:27.08 | Tain | No. |
20:27.15 | Tain | Ok, go ahead. |
20:27.46 | [MoonWolf] | shoot |
20:27.52 | GenNMX|Thrae | Tain: Whatever happened to TrackAlert? |
20:28.07 | ckknight | hit me, cladhaire |
20:28.12 | cladhaire | http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/6083/spellbook0cl.jpg |
20:28.27 | Tekcub | GAY!! |
20:28.42 | Tekcub | making a mini spellbok? |
20:28.44 | Tain | heh ah it never really worked that great. Well, it worked. But I never could figure a way to make it not interfeer with the mouse. |
20:28.44 | [MoonWolf] | thats a compliment from you right ? |
20:28.50 | [MoonWolf] | i like minibooks |
20:28.53 | cladhaire | Clique's click-casting definitions happen through the spellbook.. perform the click-cast on the spellbook, and it shows up on the left |
20:29.10 | cladhaire | the issue is, how do I handle "cast the highest rank"? |
20:29.20 | Tekcub | hrm.... |
20:29.27 | [MoonWolf] | modifier key ? |
20:29.35 | Tekcub | use highest by default if you click the highest? |
20:29.37 | cladhaire | I was thinking a simple checkbox up under where the spellbook title would be. |
20:29.42 | Tekcub | or a modifier, yea |
20:29.53 | cladhaire | What modifier tho, i'm already using Alt,Shift and Control =) |
20:29.57 | Tekcub | hrm.... |
20:29.58 | [MoonWolf] | oh |
20:29.59 | [MoonWolf] | damn |
20:30.01 | Tekcub | how but this |
20:30.09 | ckknight | cladhaire, you should delete FontSizeFu |
20:30.09 | Tekcub | click a spell once, adds that rank |
20:30.12 | GenNMX|Thrae | Tain: What about the "blinking"? Did it always cause the Minimap to blink from hidden to shown? |
20:30.22 | Tekcub | click same spell/rank again, changes to highest |
20:30.32 | Tekcub | click last time, clears it |
20:30.34 | cladhaire | not very intuitive tho =( |
20:30.37 | [MoonWolf] | nope |
20:30.43 | cladhaire | here's a deletion/edit box on the left |
20:30.45 | cladhaire | you just can't see it yet |
20:30.55 | [MoonWolf] | hehe |
20:30.58 | Tain | Oh yeah, that was sort of the only way. I tried creating a second mini-map to scan but ug it made things mad. |
20:31.00 | Tekcub | well thes do the reverse, if you click the highest known just put the rankless in by default |
20:31.00 | cladhaire | has an lua syntax highlighted editor for arbitrary lua |
20:31.12 | Tekcub | and if you click it again change it to that specific rank |
20:31.21 | cladhaire | I think the checkbox would be more intuitive. |
20:31.30 | cladhaire | Making the user make a conscious decisions. |
20:31.32 | Tekcub | oh how bout this.... |
20:31.43 | Tekcub | just put the ranked in always... |
20:31.52 | GenNMX|Thrae | Tain: What about the reverse, making a second minimap for people to use for themselves and keep the original minimap always hidden? |
20:32.10 | Tekcub | and thin if you rightclick the item it pops up a menu, in there you can check "no rank, cast highest" |
20:32.20 | cladhaire | That's possible. |
20:32.25 | [MoonWolf] | hmm |
20:32.28 | [MoonWolf] | i kinda like it |
20:32.30 | [MoonWolf] | and kinda not |
20:32.39 | [MoonWolf] | i like single click actions. |
20:32.44 | cladhaire | i want there to be no way a user can question it =) |
20:32.53 | Tekcub | well how do you clear an action currently? |
20:33.01 | cladhaire | There's a delete button on the list. |
20:33.04 | cladhaire | that you can't see yet =) |
20:33.07 | cladhaire | but its juyst a standard game button |
20:33.08 | [MoonWolf] | hehe |
20:33.13 | cladhaire | there's also an "Edit" button. |
20:33.18 | Tekcub | so add a "ignore rank" button, be consistant |
20:33.27 | Tain | At the time I was testing trying to create a second minimap just didn't work right and caused the UI to behave badly. I think people have recently tried to do multiple minimaps again in the mean time and had similar issues. |
20:33.28 | cladhaire | I can do that. |
20:33.38 | Tain | But I haven't looked at it again since whatever that last version was. |
20:33.41 | GenNMX|Thrae | Hmmm. |
20:33.53 | GenNMX|Thrae | November ;) |
20:34.42 | cladhaire | ALL my click-casts will be CastSpellByName("Leatherworking") |
20:34.56 | Amadeo_ | What if you're not a leatherworker? GOSH! |
20:35.02 | [MoonWolf] | oh the noes |
20:35.25 | Amadeo_ | Is there any way to color code the player dots on your minimap when in a group? |
20:35.35 | Amadeo_ | or normal map, for that matter |
20:36.00 | Tain | We don't get a lot of control over those minimap dots, do we? |
20:36.08 | [MoonWolf] | nope |
20:37.04 | Tekcub | oh yea, ckk, the fubar minimap stuff needs to support setting the radius too, not just the angle |
20:37.32 | Amadeo_ | too bad :( |
20:37.52 | Tekcub | some of us don't have round maps *grin* |
20:38.57 | Tekcub | question for you warlocks |
20:39.07 | [MoonWolf] | shoot |
20:39.10 | Neronix | Yeah? |
20:39.10 | Tekcub | how exactly do soulstones work |
20:39.20 | Tekcub | is the cooldown on the spell or an item? |
20:39.33 | Neronix | on the item |
20:39.33 | [MoonWolf] | you create a stone item with a shard |
20:39.36 | [MoonWolf] | this does not have a cooldown |
20:39.37 | Tekcub | bugger, I need to track item cooldowns now |
20:39.41 | [MoonWolf] | the stone itself has a cooldown. |
20:39.44 | Tekcub | okey |
20:40.07 | Neronix | Hm, my logic seems flawed |
20:40.10 | Tekcub | I'm gonna make Cork take into account cooldowns on the item and never show a need if your stone is in cooldown :) |
20:40.36 | Tekcub | same goes with druid's rez spell |
20:40.58 | Tekcub | any other spells that have a long cooldown out there? |
20:41.17 | [MoonWolf] | hmmm |
20:41.30 | [MoonWolf] | retaliations and its counterpart... |
20:41.40 | Tekcub | huh? |
20:41.48 | [MoonWolf] | retaliation... warrior skill |
20:41.51 | Tekcub | oh |
20:41.58 | Tekcub | not sure what I'll do for warriors |
20:42.06 | Tekcub | NL only does Battle Shout |
20:42.12 | [MoonWolf] | they have anoter too, makes all atacks crit |
20:42.28 | [MoonWolf] | only telling you long cooldown things. |
20:45.09 | Groumph | soulstone perhaps? |
20:45.35 | Groumph | nm |
20:45.35 | Groumph | you said that =] |
20:45.36 | Groumph | evocation |
20:46.06 | Groumph | only 10m though |
20:47.09 | Neronix | hmm... |
20:47.14 | Neronix | very, very weird |
20:51.15 | GenNMX|Thrae | OK, what's the name of the yellow circle that surrounds the Minimap? |
20:53.04 | Tekcub | look in squeenix if you want to change it Thrae |
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20:57.01 | GenNMX|Thrae | Aww, I can't set alpha on the Minimap. |
20:57.54 | Tain | I think you can on MinimapCluster |
20:58.37 | GenNMX|Thrae | Well, if I set alpha directly on Minimap, it works until a player passes through the minimap, then the texture disappears. |
20:58.46 | Tain | ooh weird |
20:59.38 | Industrial | I need some help with spotting an error. For some reason idChat.AddMessageHook doesnt work right. it shows nothing in my chatframe although chat bubbles are there. see line 125-150 and 302-330 at http://pastebin.com/719492. Thanks |
21:00.14 | Industrial | more eyes equals more profit, or faster profit - but that's more too. |
21:00.21 | Neronix | Question! |
21:00.28 | ckknight | Answer! |
21:00.51 | Neronix | If I did "local lvar" and another line sent nil to lvar, would lvar still be local? |
21:01.09 | kergoth | yes. its a slot, permanently. its value doesnt matter |
21:01.18 | Neronix | I see, thanks |
21:01.23 | kergoth | its name, lvar, doesnt even exist after it gets compiled to lua vm instructions |
21:01.33 | kergoth | it becomes a numeric index into an array in that closure |
21:01.39 | Industrial | *xfiles tune* |
21:01.45 | Industrial | ^^ |
21:02.56 | Industrial | anyone? :o |
21:03.19 | Industrial | so i can like, move on |
21:05.49 | CIA-17 | 03tekkub * r1825 10Squeenix/ (. Squeenix.lua): |
21:05.49 | CIA-17 | Squeenix - Fixed blank minimap after changing graphics settings |
21:05.49 | CIA-17 | http://www.wowinterface.com/portal.php?id=10&a=viewbug&bugid=806 |
21:07.11 | Industrial | :p |
21:07.22 | kergoth | ack, color, MY EYES |
21:07.22 | Industrial | ah-ha, a german |
21:07.24 | kergoth | :P |
21:07.39 | Industrial | ITS BURRNIIINGGGG THE AGONYYYYY THE PAAAIIIINNN |
21:07.44 | Industrial | :p |
21:07.58 | Industrial | ZE GOGGLES ZEY DO NOTHING! |
21:08.08 | Industrial | NOZZING* |
21:08.16 | ckknight | indoor voice. |
21:08.30 | GenNMX|Thrae | Tekkub: What does squeenix do? |
21:08.35 | Neronix | oh nos! Indie's in trouble :O |
21:08.35 | [MoonWolf] | what is with the fake german accents..... |
21:08.41 | Neronix | Send in the Blood Elf Space Pirates!! |
21:08.52 | [MoonWolf] | GenNMX|Thrae, it turns all tauren into galka |
21:09.56 | CIA-17 | 03maia * r1826 10Squishy/core.lua: Squishy: one missing comma, and an addon stops working. very sorry. |
21:10.00 | Elkano | "Mein Leben..." ;) |
21:10.08 | Industrial | [MoonWolf]: dude you didnt see that arnold schwarznegger (<-- not trying to be racist but i really cant spell it) movie? |
21:10.11 | Tekcub | Squeenix == square minimap |
21:10.14 | Industrial | Elkano: lacrimosa |
21:10.19 | Industrial | i win! |
21:10.20 | Industrial | :D |
21:10.29 | Elkano | what? |
21:10.40 | Industrial | thats a band >_> |
21:10.47 | GenNMX|Thrae | Tekcub: Does it reduce map surface any? |
21:10.49 | [MoonWolf] | thats two band actually |
21:10.51 | Elkano | never heard of them |
21:10.52 | [MoonWolf] | there is lacrimose |
21:10.56 | Industrial | really? |
21:10.57 | [MoonWolf] | and lacrimosa profoundre |
21:11.02 | Tekcub | no it actually increases it |
21:11.05 | [MoonWolf] | lacrimosa* |
21:11.10 | Tekcub | tho markers don't change |
21:11.37 | Industrial | Elkano: http://www.darklyrics.com/l/lacrimosa.html |
21:11.45 | kergoth | Industrial: http://atlee.ca/blog/software/svn-commit/ .. vim plugin.. when you 'svn commit' and it pops up your vim to edit the commit log, and you abort the commit, it saves the old commit message you'd entered in a file. this plugin makes it so the next svn commit after that will automatically pull in the old message from the one you aborted, so you dont have to do so manually |
21:11.48 | Tekcub | you still only get markers in the round area, I'm sure that' blizzy by design tho, so you don't get an advantage |
21:11.49 | Industrial | really cool lyrics - from what i can understand of it |
21:11.52 | kergoth | good stuff |
21:12.03 | Industrial | kergoth: oo have have :D |
21:12.06 | GenNMX|Thrae | Right |
21:12.20 | Industrial | kergoth: i need to configure tabs instead of using MiniBufExpl but im lazy.. |
21:12.38 | kergoth | i wouldnt recommend it, it gets odd. |
21:13.18 | kergoth | example: 'vim a' -> vsplit -> ^W<Right> -> :e b .. now you have a and b open in two windows, verically spilt |
21:13.40 | kergoth | if you then :tabe c, that new tab has just the one window, instead of the two you had setup all nicely |
21:13.51 | Industrial | really tabs are odd? |
21:13.52 | Industrial | meh |
21:13.55 | kergoth | whereas with minibufexpl, you can quickly swap c into the existing window |
21:13.59 | Industrial | yea |
21:14.01 | [MoonWolf] | cant vim handle that natvily in a nice way ? |
21:14.07 | kergoth | so tabs are more useful for seperate projects |
21:14.10 | Industrial | ill stick to that then, works just as great |
21:14.19 | kergoth | get your windows all setup nice for one projec,t then setup another way for another one on another tab |
21:14.26 | kergoth | since yoru window setup doesnt follow you across tab boundaries |
21:14.49 | Industrial | [MoonWolf]: vim didnt use tabs until 7. it uses buffers since like 199X |
21:14.53 | CIA-17 | 03neronix * r1827 10NanoStats/NanoStats.lua: NanoStats - Fixed the parsers. Scoping wtfpwnt me :< |
21:14.56 | [MoonWolf] | ah |
21:15.02 | kergoth | thats just my opinion though, i know some people are using the new tabs for seperate buffers like minibufexpl did, but i see it being two seperate use casees |
21:15.16 | kergoth | so i want a version of minibufexpl that shows only buffers thatve been opened in teh current tab |
21:15.24 | kergoth | so you can have a buffer list in each tab/workspace |
21:15.35 | Industrial | yea |
21:15.40 | [MoonWolf] | a tab is a workspace ? |
21:15.52 | Neronix | Why not just a file? |
21:15.57 | kergoth | [MoonWolf]: yeah, the tab contains not just the buffer, but its own independent window setup |
21:15.58 | Neronix | is there a way to change that? :S |
21:16.04 | kergoth | you |
21:16.10 | Industrial | you have windows and buffers, you can plsit windows and every part shows a buffer |
21:16.11 | kergoth | 're free to open just one file in one big window if you want |
21:16.20 | [MoonWolf] | not that i mind really, but isnt that in violation of the normal way a tab behaves ? |
21:16.21 | kergoth | but if you have a nice window setup already done, you wont have that in your next tab |
21:16.33 | Neronix | I see |
21:16.50 | ckknight | Elkano, how do you say "Close menu" in German? |
21:16.54 | Industrial | [MoonWolf]: isnt it 'cool' ? :P |
21:17.07 | kergoth | for some users, those who dont know much about vim, using tabs as a means to switch buffers will work fine, because you'll never even know how to use the vim window support |
21:17.08 | Industrial | ckknight: RAUS DAMIT! |
21:17.08 | [MoonWolf] | eeeuh, i dont use my editors for cool value. |
21:17.11 | Industrial | ckknight: :P |
21:17.17 | Elkano | hmmm... "Menü schließen" |
21:17.21 | kergoth | but its overkill, minibufexpl can give you that just as easily, imo |
21:17.23 | kergoth | </rant> |
21:17.25 | kergoth | :) |
21:17.31 | Industrial | s/k/ck/ |
21:17.35 | Industrial | .. |
21:17.49 | ckknight | ? |
21:17.51 | Industrial | hah error :D |
21:18.01 | ckknight | ah, emote |
21:19.46 | CIA-17 | 03icetrain * r1828 10oRA_Zone/oRA_Zone.lua: oRA_Zone: Escape now closes the main window |
21:20.09 | kergoth | honestly though, my use of vim windows is pretty weak unless i'm using winmanager to show a file and buffer list, and taglist for tags. i just do a vsplit with the .h and the .cpp in two windows usually |
21:20.49 | Industrial | yeah i have |
21:21.01 | Industrial | map <tab> :bn<cr> |
21:21.07 | Industrial | map <S-tab> :bp<cr> |
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21:21.27 | Industrial | i should make one for changing minibufexpl windows, but i cant use alt :P |
21:21.49 | Industrial | no, uh, it wlready works like that |
21:21.51 | Industrial | :S |
21:22.11 | Industrial | ( Industrial) I need some help with spotting an error. For some reason idChat.AddMessageHook doesnt work right. it shows nothing in my chatframe although chat bubbles are there. see line 125-150 and 302-330 at http://pastebin.com/719492. Thanks |
21:22.16 | Industrial | i only have 30 mins left for today |
21:22.40 | [MoonWolf] | sometimes i wonder how i ended up so geeky that im sitting in a irc channel on a opensource server discussing the perks and configurations of the 7th incarnation of a originally *nix console file editor with authors of addons for a mmorpg |
21:23.06 | Tekcub | hrm... someone had a really simple web-based RSS portal some time back, think it was kerg... I never bookmarked it |
21:23.20 | Tekcub | didn't require signing up or anything, it just worked |
21:23.23 | Tekcub | what was that? |
21:23.37 | Industrial | [MoonWolf]: well its not a bad thing if you ask me |
21:23.46 | [MoonWolf] | i never said that |
21:23.53 | [MoonWolf] | i yust wonder , HOW i ended up like that. |
21:24.09 | Elkano | MoonWolf, sounds like this was the best of all ways you could have gone ;) |
21:24.17 | [MoonWolf] | hehe |
21:25.04 | Elkano | people tend to hang around other people understanding what they say :) |
21:26.52 | haste | Industrial: While a fairly high amount of players have migrated from Burning Blade the total number of players (read: accounts) migrated to Grim Batol should in no way fill the realm completely. I'm 99% certain Grim Batol (and Stonemaul) is currently running with a lower cap. I'll verify it when I'm at the office tomorrow and request that it's raised towards the regular cap. |
21:26.57 | haste | Industrial: should explain the queue for you ;) |
21:27.07 | cladhaire | Current Clique UI: http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/218/clique1ky.jpg |
21:27.07 | cladhaire | The box on the bottom left is an edit box that will use http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4895 for syntax highlighting. |
21:27.22 | CIA-17 | 03ckknight * r1829 10TabletLib/Lib/TabletLib.lua: TabletLib - made blank lines after category headers more consistent. |
21:27.56 | cladhaire | Any suggestions before I get much further with this? |
21:28.02 | [MoonWolf] | haste, when did you get into a position to request changes on wow realms ? |
21:28.08 | Elkano | btw: id, what do you think of ItemDBFu? (asuming that you use it) |
21:28.34 | Neronix | cladhaire: Why did you leave healing on if you're playing a rogue? :P |
21:28.38 | CIA-17 | 03tekkub * r1830 10FuBar_CorkFu/ (. FuBar_CorkFu.toc): FuBar_CorkFu - Adding svn:external for DewDrop temporarily, until FuBar's trunk is functional again. |
21:28.54 | cladhaire | Neronix cause i have lifestealing enchant =) |
21:28.55 | haste | [MoonWolf]: They opened migration on our server - might also have something to do with the amount of whine thundergot got on TG06 :p |
21:29.05 | Neronix | cladhaire: heh, I see :) |
21:29.06 | haste | [MoonWolf]: a total of 21 guilds left the server also |
21:29.10 | [MoonWolf] | wow |
21:29.11 | Tekcub | forum go down the hole? |
21:29.11 | haste | [MoonWolf]: old one that is |
21:29.14 | [MoonWolf] | thats it a LOT |
21:29.22 | [MoonWolf] | thundy is old ? |
21:29.31 | haste | says more about Burning Blade I think |
21:29.32 | [MoonWolf] | or am i reading things wrong.... |
21:29.44 | haste | kek? |
21:29.51 | [MoonWolf] | your not helping. |
21:29.55 | haste | I know :( |
21:29.59 | haste | I'm confused |
21:30.01 | Tekcub | hey claddo, got any majick up your sleeve to speed up the SVN's RSS feeds? Changelogs load fast but RSS doesn't, and the readers I've tried with are timing out now |
21:30.02 | haste | just woke up ;O |
21:30.13 | [MoonWolf] | is thundgot old... or did you meant burning blade was old.... |
21:30.32 | haste | I ment BB is a old borked server |
21:30.37 | [MoonWolf] | kk |
21:30.54 | Neronix | Oh ffs |
21:30.58 | haste | on a normal day you would have ~1200 ms, random DC, Instance server is down |
21:31.05 | [MoonWolf] | cladhaire, use tooltip borders plz |
21:31.14 | cladhaire | [MoonWolf]: For why? |
21:31.16 | [MoonWolf] | haste, thats bad. |
21:31.17 | Neronix | the same guy who complained about libraries being bloatware on the ui.wow NS page is doing the same thing on the Lexan page >.> |
21:31.20 | [MoonWolf] | cladhaire, i like them better. |
21:31.26 | [MoonWolf] | cleaner look. |
21:31.27 | cladhaire | lol |
21:31.31 | cladhaire | well i can work those details out later |
21:31.37 | [MoonWolf] | hehe |
21:31.41 | Neronix | Ok, time to concoct an insult of epic proportions |
21:31.44 | cladhaire | I need to ge the shit working |
21:31.44 | haste | [MoonWolf]: yeah, I have 22ms on the new server |
21:31.51 | [MoonWolf] | haste, deathwing is pretty old too, but its working fine. |
21:31.53 | haste | since it's in sweden, and not france ^^; |
21:32.00 | cladhaire | Tekcub: No, i'm not sure why they |
21:32.02 | cladhaire | they're running slow |
21:32.11 | haste | [MoonWolf]: have you had 1k queues on deathwing ;) ? |
21:32.21 | [MoonWolf] | there was a time |
21:32.25 | [MoonWolf] | but then the transfers came |
21:32.33 | [MoonWolf] | and i did not have a char on it at the time |
21:32.37 | haste | there has been four migrations of BB |
21:32.41 | [MoonWolf] | i recently had my first char undeleted. |
21:32.56 | [MoonWolf] | i deleted my warlock out of anger over warlock changes once. |
21:33.04 | Tain | Neronix: Saying Sea, Earth, etc. are bloated pieces of shit is not really a positive thing for the Ace community. |
21:33.15 | [MoonWolf] | i agree with tain there. |
21:33.20 | Tekcub | god, that guy's got a vendetta against Ace doesn't he |
21:33.27 | [MoonWolf] | try to keep a postive tone, we are working on that. or try to at least. |
21:33.29 | Neronix | Well what do I say? |
21:33.36 | [MoonWolf] | link the post ? |
21:33.36 | Tain | Whether they are or not is irrelevant, it perpetuates an image that people have that Ace authors are assholes and insult other addons. |
21:33.37 | Tekcub | certainly doesn't know how to tell if a library is "bloat" |
21:33.41 | Neronix | The guy's judging Ace based on Sea and co |
21:33.45 | cladhaire | yeah |
21:33.48 | cladhaire | he has been for a while |
21:33.50 | cladhaire | he's an idiot. |
21:33.52 | [MoonWolf] | seperate the issue |
21:33.53 | cladhaire | he things Ace == Cosmos. |
21:33.53 | kergoth | focus on _us_, not on them. |
21:33.54 | cladhaire | and i dont know why |
21:34.03 | Neronix | [MoonWolf]: http://ui.worldofwar.net/ui.php?id=2439 and http://ui.worldofwar.net/ui.php?id=2600 |
21:34.06 | [MoonWolf] | first tell him that sea and earth and sky do not have anything to do with ace in any way |
21:34.15 | Tain | It's better to say, "We do this this this well" and not even make any comparison to anything else. |
21:34.17 | haste | [MoonWolf]: give me sec, I'll find a screen of BB now :p |
21:34.20 | Tekcub | I told him to sod off, I feel like a big man ^^ |
21:34.34 | [MoonWolf] | Tekcub, thats good too. |
21:34.44 | [MoonWolf] | there is nothing wrong with calling a troll a troll. |
21:35.00 | [MoonWolf] | but dont go around insulting anybody else. |
21:35.13 | Tekcub | well seriously, I don't understand people who waste their breathe |
21:35.25 | Tekcub | if you don't like something then piss off and use stuff you do like |
21:35.38 | Tekcub | I don't like Cosmos, but I don't troll around telling them I don't like em |
21:36.06 | Tain | I have no problem telling a Cosmos dev exactly why I don't like certain things about it. |
21:36.13 | Tain | But that's different. |
21:36.23 | Tekcub | that's not "it sucks" |
21:36.28 | [MoonWolf] | pointing out what you think is wrong is constructive |
21:36.29 | haste | [MoonWolf]: http://s44.photobucket.com/albums/f2/RubenMarques/?action=view¤t=Orgrimmar.jpg << burning blade now :p |
21:36.32 | Tekcub | that's "it sucks because.... fix it" |
21:36.51 | [MoonWolf] | or at least, i CAN be constructive. |
21:36.58 | [MoonWolf] | haste, that is SCARY |
21:37.01 | haste | yeh :p |
21:37.02 | Tain | Oh god I am suddenly tempted to download the flying cows mount addon. |
21:37.18 | Tekcub | clad, get AceLibrary done so that fools like this won't know when they're using Ace mods :) |
21:37.41 | Neronix | I second that |
21:37.43 | haste | but blizzard has borked the queue limit on Grim Batol (zhe new server), so it was 168min queue earlier today :p |
21:37.44 | ckknight | second |
21:37.46 | Tain | It won't help, there'll be a big post on the UI forum about how embedded libs cause cancer in laboratory rats. |
21:38.01 | [MoonWolf] | i never liked laboratory rats anyway |
21:38.09 | Tain | That's the way I look at it. |
21:38.18 | Neronix | Who'd actually post something like that? |
21:38.22 | Industrial | haste: 35 before me now |
21:38.23 | Tekcub | cell phones cause drain bamage cancer and everyone uses them :) |
21:38.25 | Neronix | Certainly someone that people won't take seriously |
21:38.38 | Industrial | Tekcub: i dont \o/ |
21:38.39 | [MoonWolf] | i never liked my brain anyway |
21:38.41 | haste | Industrial: Thudnergot replied to the "Sup with queue?" thread :) |
21:38.48 | Tekcub | id: you don't need to! |
21:38.49 | Industrial | ;o |
21:38.50 | Tekcub | *hides* |
21:38.51 | Tain | Look brain, I don't like you, and you don't like me. |
21:38.58 | CIA-17 | 03ckknight * r1831 10FuBar/ (5 files): FuBar - moved plugin-specific localization from FuBar's locals into the plugin libraries. |
21:39.00 | Industrial | Tekcub: indeed, for i have no friends |
21:39.02 | Tain | But let's just get through this so I can go back to killing you with beer. |
21:39.07 | [MoonWolf] | Shutup brain, or I?l stab you with a q-tip! |
21:39.18 | Tekcub | ckk, is trunk functional again? |
21:39.27 | [MoonWolf] | i'll |
21:39.31 | Tekcub | :P |
21:39.33 | haste | Industrial: http://plixx.org/?59 << thread |
21:39.33 | ckknight | check it out |
21:39.36 | Neronix | trunk worked the last time I checked |
21:39.38 | Tekcub | do that crap in a branch next time |
21:39.52 | ckknight | no. |
21:40.05 | Neronix | Everyone that can be taken seriously would not be against embeds, thus won't go on a smear campaign |
21:40.16 | Tekcub | well then at least test before you commit :P |
21:40.22 | Tain | You're trying to apply logic, Neronix. It won't work. |
21:40.22 | ckknight | no |
21:40.26 | ckknight | I test before I release |
21:40.33 | ckknight | committing is where development happens |
21:40.37 | Tekcub | at least do a reloadui and check for typos! |
21:40.56 | Tain | Just don't do anything except with uploaded releases, Tekkub. |
21:40.59 | Neronix | Tain: I suppose you're right. The whole community defies logic >.> |
21:41.00 | ckknight | when did I mess that up? |
21:41.04 | ckknight | oh well |
21:41.05 | ckknight | check it out now |
21:41.07 | ckknight | should work |
21:41.08 | ckknight | works for me |
21:41.27 | Elkano | I shouldn't alt-tab into IRC when standing in Stormwind's throne room :/ |
21:41.29 | Tekcub | reloggin, one sex |
21:41.42 | CIA-17 | 03ckknight * r1832 10DewdropLib/Lib/DewdropLib.lua: DewdropLib - slightly changed assert. |
21:41.44 | Tekcub | why not? |
21:41.59 | haste | get a better computer! |
21:42.06 | haste | or reroll *nix |
21:42.26 | Tain | If I try to log into both WoW and Eve Online at the same time my computer bluescreens. |
21:42.41 | [MoonWolf] | its a consipracy |
21:42.42 | Elkano | well, alt-tabed back in and noticed that someone started onyxia pre :/ resulting in me looking at my corpse :/ |
21:42.44 | Industrial | haste: i still cant creat a damn char |
21:43.05 | haste | Industrial: why not migrate? |
21:43.18 | Tekcub | oh |
21:43.18 | haste | migrate a L1 char, then you can create chars |
21:43.21 | Industrial | haste: with what character, my level 2 warlock? |
21:43.28 | Industrial | .. :o |
21:43.31 | Industrial | *does* |
21:43.39 | haste | migration opens at 03:00 -> 15:00 |
21:43.40 | Tekcub | nope bossman, same error shit the version you left with had |
21:43.45 | Industrial | GOD DAMN |
21:43.49 | Industrial | they got me again |
21:43.49 | Tekcub | do you run plugins besides your own? |
21:43.50 | Industrial | :( |
21:44.01 | Industrial | i have to do it at work then tomorrow |
21:44.05 | Industrial | >-< |
21:44.10 | Industrial | *makes sticky* |
21:44.11 | haste | I skipped sleep to do it :p |
21:44.12 | ckknight | you do realize that if you don't tell me the errors, I can never fix em |
21:44.30 | haste | then I arrive at school prepared for 3xTests... but all where postponed <.< |
21:44.35 | Tekcub | "attempt to index local 'plugin' (a nil) |
21:44.38 | Tekcub | line 1408 |
21:44.42 | ckknight | file? |
21:44.46 | Industrial | haste: ownage |
21:44.52 | Tekcub | fubar.lua |
21:44.59 | haste | Industrial: no it sucks, now I have to read for them later too :p |
21:45.05 | Industrial | lol |
21:45.24 | ckknight | yea, that was kinda deprecated... |
21:45.34 | Industrial | im going to bed |
21:45.37 | ckknight | I'm on it, hang on |
21:45.43 | Industrial | nn |
21:45.57 | Tekcub | mail's throwing errors and it should be 1.0 compat |
21:46.05 | Elkano | ´gnight id |
21:46.17 | CIA-17 | 03neronix * r1833 10NanoStats/ (NanoStats.toc NanoStatsLocals.lua): NanoStats - Updating metadata for 1.1 release |
21:46.24 | Tekcub | oreo? |
21:47.02 | Tekcub | meh, guess I'll 1.2-ify mail |
21:47.15 | Tekcub | once again, distracted from what I was doing |
21:47.22 | CIA-17 | 03neronix 071.1 * r1834 10NanoStats/: NanoStats - Tagging as 1.1 |
21:48.15 | CIA-17 | 03ckknight * r1835 10FuBar/FuBar.lua: FuBar - fixed a nil bug. |
21:48.22 | ckknight | I got it so you can theoretically run a plugin without FuBar now, gonna test |
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21:49.04 | Neronix | rly? O |
21:49.14 | Neronix | s/O/:O |
21:49.26 | Neronix | trailing slash... >.> |
21:51.26 | haste | *curses* |
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21:58.45 | Neronix | What exactly does BugSack do? |
21:59.10 | ckknight | catches bugs, lets you see em later |
21:59.27 | Neronix | bugs == errors? |
21:59.29 | ckknight | yes |
21:59.34 | Neronix | Cool, thanks |
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22:05.02 | CIA-17 | 03ckknight * r1836 10FuBar/FuBarPlugin.lua: FuBar - 1.2 plugin library works independantly from FuBar. |
22:05.41 | ckknight | Industrial, tada. |
22:06.58 | ckknight | http://ckknight.hopto.org:8080/screen.jpg |
22:07.04 | ckknight | that's ClockFu without FuBar running |
22:07.34 | ckknight | granted, it's no longer LoadOnDemand, and it needs 5 libraries it normally wouldn't need to include |
22:08.10 | cladhaire | Neronix: You there? |
22:08.17 | ckknight | this would be very handy for something like BagBoy |
22:08.23 | cladhaire | NanoStats is spewing debug messgaes for me =) |
22:08.30 | ckknight | or anything which has optional FuBar support |
22:10.37 | Tekcub | hey ckk, can we get an arg for tablet's addline that makes the text mimic the title? |
22:10.55 | Tekcub | like so my "AH Alerts" section of mail's tip can have a second title |
22:10.56 | ckknight | what do you mean by that? |
22:11.01 | ckknight | oh |
22:11.02 | ckknight | isTitle |
22:11.12 | Tekcub | ah *tests* |
22:11.17 | ckknight | make it a category |
22:11.24 | Neronix | cladhaire: aw fuck |
22:11.29 | Neronix | I just uploaded it >.> |
22:11.31 | Tekcub | it is... maybe I missed where I set a cat's title |
22:11.49 | ckknight | AddCategory('text', "Boom", 'isTitle', true) |
22:11.50 | Neronix | God damn you, Murphy! |
22:12.13 | Tain | If only MailFu told me I had new mail when I logged on. |
22:12.17 | cladhaire | you had three --- where you should hav had two |
22:12.29 | Tekcub | ah, thankies |
22:12.39 | CIA-17 | 03neronix * r1837 10NanoStats/NanoStats.lua: |
22:12.39 | CIA-17 | NanoStats |
22:12.39 | CIA-17 | - Forgot to uncomment debug messages |
22:13.21 | Neronix | Er, comment even |
22:14.40 | ckknight | I guess I should make an SVN dir for FuBarPlugin, now that it is "independant" |
22:14.46 | Neronix | cladhaire: It's a nice little trick. Instead of having to delete/retype the comment block characters, you just add/remove a 3rd - to the start |
22:15.19 | cladhaire | *nod* i use it lots of places =) |
22:20.17 | Tekcub | ckk, question... ugh... |
22:20.32 | Tekcub | mail's thowing a "No iconFrame found" error |
22:20.44 | Tekcub | and I can't for the life of me figure out why |
22:20.50 | ckknight | me either |
22:21.03 | ckknight | I should look at your code |
22:21.12 | ckknight | I do want to fix it |
22:21.32 | Neronix | k, I think NS is "done" |
22:21.35 | Neronix | time for NSFu! |
22:21.49 | CIA-17 | 03tekkub * r1838 10FuBar_MailFu/Core.lua: FuBar_MailFu - Converted to 1.2 (but doesn't work with latest FuBar ATM...) |
22:21.59 | Tekcub | there ya go, the old version did it too with latest fu tho |
22:22.20 | ckknight | I want to get the old one working |
22:22.26 | ckknight | thus fixing bugs, theoretically |
22:22.34 | Neronix | One question! Would any of you want BOTH the normal NS display and the Fu display at the same time? |
22:22.46 | ckknight | probably not |
22:22.58 | CIA-17 | 03tekkub * r1839 10FuBar_CorkFu/ClassMage.lua: FuBar_CorkFu - Moved Mage Armor in with Ice/Frost armor, since they are all mutually-exclusive |
22:23.07 | Tekcub | well get both working :) |
22:23.15 | ckknight | *hint, use the newl FuBarPlugin, with optional FuBar support, it's shiny* |
22:23.17 | Neronix | please say no. It'll result in a better product :P |
22:23.20 | Tekcub | but it's now converted to 1.2 either way |
22:23.26 | ckknight | yea |
22:23.27 | ckknight | I want to |
22:23.36 | Tekcub | actually with Mail I probably will |
22:23.47 | Tekcub | then it can be a standalone MM icon if it wants to be |
22:23.54 | ckknight | that's cool |
22:23.56 | ckknight | not everything should |
22:23.59 | ckknight | but some should |
22:24.01 | ckknight | QuestFu |
22:24.04 | ckknight | etc. |
22:24.11 | ckknight | you can't be LoD if you are |
22:24.14 | ckknight | that's the only downside |
22:24.15 | Tekcub | yea, stuff like mail, aspect, tracker should be |
22:24.25 | Tekcub | I don't do LoD anyway |
22:24.38 | Tekcub | they loose position on me when I error still |
22:24.52 | Tekcub | so I just said fuck it |
22:25.12 | ckknight | you should release LoD |
22:25.12 | Tekcub | you should give us some sort of api to set the order of all our plugins or something |
22:25.17 | ckknight | there is |
22:25.20 | ckknight | but only for defaults |
22:25.28 | Tekcub | I mean on a per-user basis |
22:25.31 | Tekcub | *hrm* |
22:25.40 | ckknight | FUBAR_DEFAULTS or FUBAR_DEFAULTS_<CLASS> |
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22:25.49 | Tekcub | like give the user some ui to set where they want their defaults to be |
22:25.55 | ckknight | you set it, then FuBar will inherit if there is no DB |
22:26.07 | Tekcub | and then they can easily reset to it on a new alt if they want |
22:26.08 | ckknight | it's for compilations, thought |
22:26.10 | ckknight | though* |
22:26.22 | Tekcub | or if they're a dev that fucks up their order frequently |
22:26.29 | ckknight | I don't want to mess with the profile system |
22:26.34 | Tekcub | yea |
22:26.36 | ckknight | I want Ace2 to get worked on |
22:26.37 | Tekcub | hrm... |
22:26.41 | ckknight | then I'll convert to that |
22:27.01 | Tekcub | I guess I'll look into this FUBAR_DEFAULTS thing for myself then |
22:27.20 | Tekcub | cause I want to override the builtin defaults on not-my-plugins |
22:27.44 | ckknight | okay |
22:28.13 | ckknight | FuBar has the default FUBAR_DEFAULTS at the top of the FuBar.lua |
22:28.20 | Tekcub | I need to tweak Mail's settings for dewdrop too... bluh |
22:28.30 | Tekcub | okey |
22:29.14 | Tekcub | oh nice, me likey allready ^^ |
22:29.46 | ckknight | dewdrop? |
22:29.51 | ckknight | oh yea |
22:29.55 | ckknight | well, it's easy |
22:29.55 | ckknight | :-P |
22:30.35 | Tekcub | the raido buttons |
22:31.02 | Tekcub | for the text display since it's two-part |
22:34.56 | ckknight | ? |
22:35.37 | ckknight | okay, it seems that MailFu's self.frame is being set to MailFrame |
22:36.26 | ckknight | man |
22:36.37 | ckknight | I _really_ wish lua could have properties |
22:36.56 | ckknight | oh |
22:36.58 | ckknight | I know why |
22:37.00 | ckknight | "my bad" |
22:38.10 | Tekcub | what's valid option for attachpoint, "TOP", "BOTTOM" and "DETACHED"? |
22:38.28 | ckknight | "NONE" |
22:39.54 | Tekcub | ah |
22:41.36 | CIA-17 | 03ckknight * r1840 10FuBar/ (FuBarPlugin.lua compat-1.0.lua): FuBar - changed plugin frame creation logic. |
22:41.40 | ckknight | tada |
22:41.45 | ckknight | MailFu w/ 1.0 works |
22:41.52 | ckknight | granted, keep updating to 1.2 |
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22:45.50 | ckknight | hey Amadeo- |
22:45.59 | Amadeo- | hola ckknight |
22:46.01 | ckknight | you were right, FuBar's getting updates |
22:46.13 | Amadeo- | Are you kidding? The author hardly ever updates, I don't believe you :) |
22:46.55 | ckknight | ... |
22:46.56 | ckknight | :-P |
22:47.16 | Amadeo- | I remember once, I think I had to wait an HOUR for an update |
22:47.19 | Amadeo- | Man, I was pissed |
22:47.46 | Tain | The funny part is you're kidding. Not everyone who says things like that are. |
22:47.47 | [MoonWolf] | that is unaccatable. |
22:47.52 | Amadeo- | Really? |
22:47.56 | [MoonWolf] | yes |
22:48.05 | Amadeo- | Yeah, I'm dripping sarcasm, but who would really be like that? |
22:48.16 | [MoonWolf] | addons should be perfect and authors can magically fix things by pressing buttons. |
22:48.47 | Amadeo- | Tain: Glad you pointed out I was kidding though, so nobody takes it the wrong way :) |
22:49.08 | [MoonWolf] | nobody would, idiots like that dont come in here |
22:49.13 | [MoonWolf] | and i get them out fast. |
22:49.17 | Amadeo- | haha |
22:49.33 | [MoonWolf] | i dont get to use kickban enough anyway |
22:50.04 | [MoonWolf] | the only ban on our channel isnt even by me |
22:50.07 | [MoonWolf] | but by tem. |
22:50.10 | Amadeo- | haha |
22:50.19 | ckknight | who's that? |
22:50.38 | ckknight | the banned person, I mean |
22:50.45 | Amadeo- | Looks like zeeg |
22:50.56 | Amadeo- | it's a nick ban |
22:51.40 | [MoonWolf] | its a zeeg ban |
22:51.49 | Amadeo- | hehe |
22:51.55 | [MoonWolf] | more of a token ban really |
22:52.00 | [MoonWolf] | he wouldt come in here anyway. |
22:52.06 | [MoonWolf] | not after the flaming he had here. |
22:52.09 | Amadeo- | Who coded the Ace selfcast addon? |
22:52.54 | Gngsk | zeeg left wow I think |
22:53.00 | Tain | I haven't layed into someone like that night zeeg popped up here in years. |
22:53.01 | ckknight | he left wow after 2 weeks of playing |
22:53.11 | ckknight | he left other aspects of wow just recently, though |
22:53.19 | [MoonWolf] | zeeg left the whole wow scene. |
22:53.27 | ckknight | ...prick |
22:53.31 | Tain | He wasn't getting enough attention. |
22:54.00 | [MoonWolf] | It coincided with him being banned from wowi |
22:54.13 | Amadeo- | What did he do? |
22:54.14 | Gngsk | details! |
22:54.21 | cladhaire | He got banned from #cosmostesters too |
22:54.29 | [MoonWolf] | Insult ckknight's parent for no good reason. |
22:54.34 | ckknight | he didn't show much respect |
22:54.36 | ckknight | yea, wtf |
22:54.40 | ckknight | my fucking parents |
22:54.45 | ckknight | he didn't know shit about em |
22:54.55 | Tain | He left #wowradio voluntarily though, oddly enough. |
22:55.13 | Tain | Or whatever it was. I popped in there once. |
22:55.21 | Amadeo- | Crazy :/ no need for that |
22:55.31 | Tain | ~emulate zeeg |
22:55.37 | purl | anyone recommend some newer black people music... most people simply call it ni.. music |
22:55.48 | Amadeo- | ahh.. |
22:55.49 | Tain | That's direct from him. |
22:55.59 | ckknight | ~literal emulate zeeg |
22:56.01 | purl | "emulate zeeg" is "<reply> anyone recommend some newer black people music... most people simply call it ni.. music||<reply>i have no morals. im a business man||<reply> the only way you could make me like any of you is with $ ||<reply> let me take this opportunity, to remind everyone, i dont give a shiit about rules" |
22:56.01 | [MoonWolf] | everything there is direct from him |
22:56.01 | Amadeo- | Well, glad I haven't met him :) |
22:56.04 | ckknight | those are all quotes from him |
22:56.19 | [MoonWolf] | 2 of those have been added by me. |
22:56.40 | ckknight | he also showed little respect for copyright law |
22:56.51 | Amadeo- | Do you guys happen to know of an addon that automatically casts the correct buff/spell rank on a player according to their level? |
22:57.06 | kergoth | i'm using cirk's addon for that, cant remember the name |
22:57.19 | Tain | Buffing other people is against my religion. |
22:57.39 | cladhaire | Amadeo-: WatcHDog''ll do it with the click-casts,. |
22:57.57 | cladhaire | standalone cirk's is good |
22:58.14 | Amadeo- | cladhaire: I can't convince my girlfriend to use anything that looks different than the normal UI :P |
22:58.22 | kergoth | aw |
22:58.38 | Amadeo- | so let me look for cirk's, is it an Ace addon? |
22:58.41 | cladhaire | haha |
22:58.43 | cladhaire | no |
22:58.48 | cladhaire | just go to wowi and search for cirk autorank |
22:58.53 | cladhaire | or either word |
22:58.55 | Amadeo- | ok :) |
22:59.03 | Amadeo- | thank yas |
23:00.56 | kergoth | http://www.cafepress.com/thedailywtf.18615585 |
23:01.00 | Tekcub | ckk, you got documentation on how to make the defaults thing work somewhere? |
23:01.12 | Tekcub | I'm being stuid and not making it happen I think |
23:02.00 | ckknight | Tekcub, it only happens when your db is empty |
23:02.11 | ckknight | i.e. new |
23:02.39 | [MoonWolf] | nighte people |
23:02.40 | kergoth | ~remulate |
23:02.42 | purl | Space. It seems to go on and on forever. But then you get to the end and a gorilla starts throwing barrels at you. |
23:02.43 | kergoth | night moon |
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23:04.11 | ckknight | how's it going, kergoth? |
23:05.46 | Amadeo- | hm |
23:06.04 | Amadeo- | so I'm using this TortoiseSVN thing... |
23:06.12 | Amadeo- | but it puts a hidden .svn directory within each directory |
23:06.28 | kergoth | ckknight: not bad, had a good weekend avoiding anything productive. spent time with teh gf and actually /played/ some wow. you? |
23:06.32 | kergoth | heh |
23:06.41 | ckknight | went to two graduations |
23:06.51 | ckknight | the chairs were painful |
23:06.53 | ckknight | that's about it |
23:06.59 | cladhaire | Amadeo-: Its supposed to.. thats how it does everything. |
23:07.19 | CIA-17 | 03maia * r1841 10Squishy/Squishy.xml: Squishy: added WatchDog ClickCast support (not fully tested yet) |
23:07.44 | Amadeo- | cladhaire: But when I copy the addon over, I have a lot more disk space being used due to them |
23:07.53 | cladhaire | *nod* |
23:08.07 | Amadeo- | :( |
23:08.07 | ckknight | not that much |
23:08.27 | CIA-17 | 03maia * r1842 10Squishy/core.lua: Squishy: WatchDog ClickCast support (pt2) |
23:08.46 | cladhaire | Maia: Want me to test? |
23:09.18 | ckknight | who is Maia? |
23:09.24 | haste | not on IRC at least |
23:09.29 | cladhaire | i dont know if they're on irc under any name |
23:09.31 | cladhaire | i like to talk to myself tho |
23:09.31 | haste | maybe it's cladhaire imaginary friend! |
23:10.32 | CIA-17 | 03ckknight * r1843 10FuBarPlugin-1.2/ (6 files in 2 dirs): FuBarPlugin-1.2 - split from FuBar. |
23:13.01 | Amadeo- | MetaMap 4.0 is buggy :( |
23:13.16 | kergoth | metamap is a beast, consuming every addon in its path |
23:13.20 | Tain | haha |
23:13.28 | kergoth | i liked it before he started absorbing everything |
23:13.38 | Amadeo- | it's good for noobs like me, that never knows where to go in an instance |
23:13.47 | kergoth | i use atlas for that |
23:13.47 | Tain | Metamap Katamari |
23:13.57 | Amadeo- | Katamari? |
23:14.23 | Tain | You don't know Katamari?! |
23:14.36 | kergoth | google is your friend |
23:14.36 | Amadeo- | nope :) |
23:14.41 | Tain | Katamari Damacy is an incredibly fun game. |
23:14.57 | Amadeo- | ohhh |
23:14.59 | Amadeo- | I don't like consoles :( |
23:15.38 | netcurse | wiiiiiiii |
23:15.41 | netcurse | ftw |
23:15.55 | ckknight | you're just saying that cause you're French |
23:16.02 | ckknight | btw, hey, netcurse |
23:16.04 | netcurse | it sounds ok in french |
23:16.10 | netcurse | hello := |
23:16.11 | netcurse | :) |
23:16.15 | Amadeo- | If you could use a keyboard on all the consoles, for every game, I'd love em |
23:16.22 | netcurse | Amadeo |
23:16.26 | netcurse | read this article |
23:16.29 | Tain | Ah, that's what consoles are for, a different gaming experience. |
23:16.31 | netcurse | http://www.curse-gaming.com/en/article-112-1-nintendos-wii-the-nunchuk-controller-and-the-possible-future-for-mmos.html |
23:16.36 | netcurse | and watch the 3 movies |
23:16.41 | netcurse | then pray at nintendo :) |
23:16.44 | kergoth | Amadeo-: you could try out svk. it doesnt use the .svn files for its checkouts, but it does mirror the upstream repository, with all history and everything, locally. though even with that, its often a win wrt disk space. see http://svk.elixus.org/?WhySVK for numbers |
23:16.46 | ckknight | I'd love to use the sword dealy on an MMO |
23:16.57 | ckknight | I think Nintendo's controller is super-pimp |
23:17.04 | ckknight | it's like we all have our own dildo to play with |
23:17.15 | Amadeo- | kergoth: I'll check that out, thanks :) |
23:17.24 | kergoth | course its commandline ;) |
23:17.59 | Amadeo- | doesn't matter, haha |
23:18.40 | Tain | ehn I'll pick up the Wii because of Super Smash Bros, I'm sure there will be other stuff to come along as well. |
23:19.02 | Amadeo- | I guess it's not the consoles that I dislike |
23:19.20 | Amadeo- | It's the single-player aspect |
23:19.23 | netcurse | i ll buy a wii also |
23:19.28 | netcurse | i want to play zelda |
23:19.30 | Amadeo- | When friends come over, we don't do consoles :( |
23:19.31 | netcurse | like in the e3 movie |
23:19.45 | netcurse | zelda ocarina of time is >>>>>>>>> |
23:19.56 | netcurse | never experienced any better game so far :) |
23:20.50 | Tain | Of course just like the GameCube I'm going to end up buying games for the Wii only if it's the only console it's available for. |
23:21.11 | netcurse | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1075816309067622531&q=wii |
23:21.30 | Tain | The same title on mulitple consoles? GC controller made it so that I bought it for the PS2 or Xbox instead. |
23:23.36 | Amadeo- | It's funny how PS3 is looking the worst of the three now |
23:23.43 | GenNMX|Thrae | Do you need to do anything special to a function to allow it to be called directly from a bound key? |
23:24.36 | Tain | I dunno, I still don't think anything at all we're seeing from the Wii or PS3 right now matters one bit. |
23:24.42 | Tain | When the games come out, that's when it'll matter. |
23:25.09 | GenNMX|Thrae | Microsoft's Stance on the Wii: "Why not make the Wii your second console, after the 360?" |
23:25.11 | Amadeo- | I love Nintendo as a company, so I always want them to come out ahead |
23:25.15 | ckknight | of the 3 machines, I'll likely be getting a Wii |
23:25.25 | Tain | I love any company that provides me with entertainment. |
23:25.28 | ckknight | if I get it at all |
23:25.29 | GenNMX|Thrae | Sony's Stance on the Wii: "Why not make the Wii your second console, after the 36--I mean PS3?" |
23:25.32 | Tain | So if Nintendo does it, all the better! |
23:25.59 | netcurse | when you have plaed mmo it s hard to get entertained by a solo game |
23:26.03 | Amadeo- | I dunno if you'll have time, ckknight |
23:26.03 | Tain | Nah. |
23:26.13 | *** join/#wowace Tem (n=Tem@ip70-177-40-169.br.br.cox.net) |
23:26.13 | *** mode/#wowace [+o Tem] by ChanServ |
23:26.17 | Tain | I still play plenty of console games, both single player and multiplyar. |
23:26.17 | ckknight | yea, I like my 30 hour a day shifts |
23:26.18 | Amadeo- | :) |
23:26.18 | netcurse | exept some very good console game :p |
23:26.23 | GenNMX|Thrae | I think Microsoft and Sony said it best -- the Wii kinda fits all age groups, all genres. |
23:26.41 | GenNMX|Thrae | While the Sony and 360 fanbase is usually pretty split. |
23:26.49 | Amadeo- | That's weird, they're supporting the Wii? |
23:26.49 | Tain | The Wii is fluffly clouds and unicorns. |
23:26.52 | GenNMX|Thrae | P3 and 360 fanbase, that is. |
23:26.59 | Amadeo- | I guess they're afraid Nintendo will die out |
23:27.03 | GenNMX|Thrae | Amadeo-: Yes, both companies are. |
23:27.07 | Amadeo- | Never seen that before |
23:27.09 | Tem | Microsoft and Nintendo are teaming up to bash Sony for the price of the PS3 |
23:27.15 | Amadeo- | haha |
23:27.21 | ckknight | the price is a big selling point |
23:27.27 | Amadeo- | "Why buy a PS3? Get a 360 and a Wii for less!" |
23:27.28 | Amadeo- | rofl |
23:27.36 | GenNMX|Thrae | Amadeo-: Um, you obviously don't know that Nintendo is the only one of the three making a profit off their video game sales, right? |
23:27.38 | Tem | they came together to say something like "We want you to buy a Wii AND a 360 for the same price as a PS3" |
23:27.53 | Amadeo- | GenNMX|Thrae: They all make profits, just not initially on a new console |
23:27.57 | Tem | it was humorous |
23:28.03 | Tem | anyway, food time for Tem |
23:28.14 | GenNMX|Thrae | Amadeo-: No, Microsoft and Sony both operate at a loss when selling consoles, accessories, etc. |
23:28.36 | GenNMX|Thrae | IE, their main console department operates at a loss. Nintendo's operates at a profit. |
23:28.38 | Amadeo- | By video game sales did you mean consoles? |
23:28.57 | GenNMX|Thrae | Lemme get the recent article back up again... |
23:29.03 | Tain | The main consoles, I don't think accessories (extra controllers, memory cards, etc.) |
23:29.06 | netcurse | nintendo is very very rich :) |
23:29.13 | netcurse | they said they can fail over 7 consoles |
23:29.15 | netcurse | generation |
23:29.16 | Tain | Sony and Microsoft are very very rich. |
23:29.27 | Amadeo- | I'm very very poor |
23:29.29 | netcurse | Sony no :> microsoft yes |
23:29.39 | Amadeo- | brb |
23:29.59 | netcurse | sony was in the red for a long time i see |
23:30.02 | netcurse | think* |
23:30.25 | Amadeo- | Kind of funny how the PlayStation got started in the first place |
23:30.48 | netcurse | BTW : http://forums.curse-gaming.com/showthread.php?p=25071#post25071 sell all your librams before this get spreaded :D |
23:30.48 | Amadeo- | Nintendo hired Sony to make that SNES CD attachment, then they decided they didn't want it anymore...but the R&D was already done |
23:30.55 | Amadeo- | So Sony made their own |
23:31.00 | Amadeo- | or at least, that's what I've heard :) |
23:31.00 | ckknight | I need to split FuBarUtils from FuBar |
23:31.16 | Tain | They also worked with 3DO first but decided against throwing in completely with their system. |
23:31.31 | cladhaire | NeoGeo > all |
23:31.38 | Tain | Had a NeoDuo. :) |
23:31.58 | cladhaire | mmm. Sega Master |
23:32.01 | Amadeo- | NeoGeo is damn expensive |
23:32.13 | Amadeo- | I think they even released a new game for it somewhat recently (within the last couple years) |
23:32.17 | GenNMX|Thrae | Amadeo-: http://forum.pcvsconsole.com/viewthread.php?tid=11760&page=5 |
23:32.19 | cladhaire | wasn't NG the first 64 bit system? |
23:32.24 | Tain | NeoGeo did introduce me to the wondrous world of multiplayer Bomberman! |
23:33.11 | Tain | I don't know if NG was 64 bit, I don't remember that. But possible! I know Atari did their big 64bit marketing campaign for the Lynx. |
23:34.28 | GenNMX|Thrae | Profits -- Microsoft: $2.5 million, Sony: $1.5 million, Nintendo: $814 million |
23:34.29 | cladhaire | lol |
23:34.43 | Tain | Of course the majority of those profits are from Nintendo's handhelds. |
23:35.11 | GenNMX|Thrae | True, but Sony has the PSP, and Microsoft...uhh...has WinCE |
23:35.27 | Tain | I very much like my PSP. |
23:35.43 | GenNMX|Thrae | Nintendo DS for me. Backwards compatibility FTW! |
23:36.08 | Tain | I almost bought a DS, but I have my GBA SP and when I picked up the PSP I was sold. |
23:36.10 | GenNMX|Thrae | XBOX 360 w/ no XBOX Hardware Emulator == BOOOO |
23:37.01 | GenNMX|Thrae | Wii w/ multiple hardware emulators, including (but not limited to) N64 and GameCube == YEAH! |
23:38.15 | GenNMX|Thrae | Actually I'm not sure if Wii has a hardware emulator for GameCube or its actual hardware...I'd guess the former even though Nintendo's backwards compatibility in the past has been just adding hardware to a unit. |
23:38.28 | GenNMX|Thrae | Wii's specs are pretty different then a GameCube, I think. |
23:38.42 | Tain | Nintendo's never had backwards compatability except for Gameboys. |
23:38.47 | CIA-17 | 03ckknight * r1844 10FuBar-compat-1.0/ (6 files in 2 dirs): FuBar-compat-1.0 - split FuBar-compat-1.0 from FuBar. |
23:38.51 | haste | netcurse: they said that they will use the librams for something else. I vote for keeping it ;) |
23:39.11 | GenNMX|Thrae | Tain: Of course, because they kept changing cartridge medium types. |
23:39.26 | CIA-17 | 03ckknight * r1845 10FuBar-compat-1.0/ (FuBar-compat-1.0.toc Lib/FuBar-compat-1.0.lua README.txt): FuBar-compat-1.0 - updated svn:keywords |
23:40.15 | GenNMX|Thrae | As for the PSP...if I had extra money, I'd probably buy it, but I can't justify it when I have a laptop. |
23:40.15 | ckknight | what chips is Wii using? |
23:40.38 | GenNMX|Thrae | Some type of proprietary PowerPC, lemme check |
23:40.57 | CIA-17 | 03ckknight * r1846 10FuBarPlugin-1.2/FuBarPlugin-1.2.toc: FuBarPlugin-1.2 - added FuBar to OptionalDeps. |
23:41.35 | Tain | Here's a comparison from last year, dunno if the hardware has changed. http://arstechnica.com/articles/paedia/hardware/revolution.ars |
23:41.57 | Tain | Well actually since the Nintendo stuff has a lot of "unknown" I'm sure it has. :) |
23:41.58 | CIA-17 | 03ckknight * r1847 10FuBar-compat-1.0/README.txt: FuBar-compat-1.0 - updated README.txt |
23:42.16 | CIA-17 | 03ckknight * r1848 10FuBarPlugin-1.2/README.txt: FuBarPlugin-1.2 - updated README.txt |
23:42.56 | GenNMX|Thrae | http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/multimedia/display/20060509235818.html |
23:43.03 | GenNMX|Thrae | They just released the information during E3 |
23:44.37 | ckknight | how does WoW handle circular dependencies? |
23:45.07 | GenNMX|Thrae | ckknight: For mods or frames? |
23:45.13 | ckknight | mods |
23:45.40 | ckknight | basically, will it error? |
23:45.50 | ckknight | or will it load one, then the other? |
23:45.52 | GenNMX|Thrae | Hmm, that's a good question, I'm not sure. |
23:45.53 | ckknight | I don't care about order |
23:45.54 | cladhaire | they shouldn't exist =) |
23:46.08 | cladhaire | but they should resolve intelligently, as long as there's a resolution. |
23:46.11 | ckknight | cladhaire, what about OptionalDep for one and a Dependency for the other? |
23:46.20 | ckknight | or both OptionalDeps |
23:46.26 | cladhaire | all optionaldeps does is enforce load order |
23:46.37 | cladhaire | dependency does the same, but prevents loading when necessary |
23:46.54 | GenNMX|Thrae | I can't think of a logical situation where you could have two mods dependant on each other... |
23:46.54 | cladhaire | do you have an example cooked up? |
23:47.02 | cladhaire | me neither =) |
23:47.24 | ckknight | FuBar has an optional dep on FuBarPlugin-1.2 and FuBarPlugin-1.2 has an optional dep for FuBar |
23:47.37 | cladhaire | why? |
23:47.48 | ckknight | because FuBar currently includes FuBarPlugin-1.2 |
23:48.01 | cladhaire | So it doesn't matter if the standalone FuBarPlugin is loaded. |
23:48.06 | cladhaire | unless you're doing something weird with your libraries. |
23:48.07 | ckknight | but if it's available as a plugin, then it should check that |
23:48.26 | ckknight | hrm, I guess I don't actually need it |
23:48.27 | ckknight | meh |
23:48.32 | ckknight | I was just wondering |
23:48.38 | GenNMX|Thrae | FuBarPlugin can be a plugin itself? |
23:48.52 | cladhaire | it should handle most dependencies, but circular dependencies really shouldn't exist. |
23:49.46 | ckknight | hey Cairenn |
23:49.53 | Cairenn | hey |
23:49.57 | ckknight | cladhaire, but will it error or will it run one right after the other? |
23:50.11 | GenNMX|Thrae | I'm still confused -- in what situations could you have FuBarPlugin without FuBar, and in what situations could you have FuBar without FuBarPlugin? |
23:50.25 | ckknight | FuBarPlugin can exist without FuBar now |
23:50.29 | cladhaire | ckknight: I dont know.. I dont know that anyone's tested it other than the ususal suspects |
23:50.31 | cladhaire | Yes, I understand that. |
23:50.38 | cladhaire | but you're adding a dependency you don't need |
23:50.50 | cladhaire | if FuBarPlugin exists.. it doesn't MATTER as far as FuBar should be concerned. |
23:51.00 | ckknight | but I want to make sure that loaded before the plugins |
23:51.44 | GenNMX|Thrae | ckknight: Then why not have the plugins dependant on FuBarPlugin? |
23:51.57 | cladhaire | Well, there's no way to have a dependency for your plugins that makes sense.. since its TWO optionals.. which means it could load without entirely |
23:51.58 | cladhaire | which is bad. |
23:52.02 | ckknight | they either need to be dependant on FuBar _or_ FuBarPlugin |
23:52.06 | cladhaire | you can't do that. |
23:52.14 | cladhaire | unfortunately |
23:52.21 | ckknight | I'm gonna see if it errors |
23:52.24 | ckknight | and in what order |
23:52.57 | cladhaire | You may have to rethink your arch |
23:53.11 | ckknight | says you |
23:53.19 | cladhaire | .. |
23:53.20 | ckknight | this is about ordering |
23:53.22 | cladhaire | you dont have to be a dick |
23:53.25 | cladhaire | i said you migh thave to |
23:53.26 | cladhaire | fuck you |
23:53.29 | cladhaire | lol |
23:53.34 | ckknight | I'm not trying to be a dick |
23:53.41 | ckknight | I just want to see the order |
23:53.45 | GenNMX|Thrae | Why are FuBar and FuBarPlugin seperated if FuBar has the functionality of FuBarPlugin? Why not make it like Addons/FuBar/FuBarPlugin and patch that directory? |
23:53.49 | ckknight | I know it'll work fine without the circular dependency |
23:54.24 | ckknight | GenNMX|Thrae, that's kinda how it is now |
23:54.27 | cladhaire | If you're not concerned with NOT having a dependency (ther'es no way to say be depedent on THIS OR THIS).. then double optionals will ensure the order you want. |
23:54.30 | ckknight | but it also has the ability to be separate |
23:54.37 | ckknight | oh |
23:54.37 | ckknight | okay |
23:54.39 | GenNMX|Thrae | If FuBarPlugin is downloaded seperately, it'll also download FuBar.toc which ONLY loads FuBarPlugin |
23:54.41 | ckknight | that's all I wanted, cladhaire |
23:55.01 | ckknight | GenNMX|Thrae, hrm? |
23:55.11 | cladhaire | ckknight: That's what I have you a while back =) Optionals purely enforce order.. so you can have the plugin optdep on BOTH, and then have fuBar optdep on fubarplugin |
23:55.25 | cladhaire | it'll still yell if they dont have either dep tho, so authors will have to code for that. |
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23:55.45 | cladhaire | probably best to give them some basic code to run that check. |
23:55.49 | ckknight | well, FuBar includes FuBarPlugin |
23:55.52 | ckknight | v1.2 |
23:56.10 | cladhaire | Aye, but lets say I download JUST FuClock, without FuBar or FuPlugin |
23:56.18 | ckknight | it won't work |
23:56.23 | cladhaire | *nod* |
23:56.25 | cladhaire | that's what i'm saying |
23:56.30 | ckknight | which is what I want |
23:56.33 | cladhaire | you should have some basic code at the top of the plugin to fail intelligently |
23:56.35 | ckknight | unless you have FuBarPlugin as an embedded lib |
23:56.36 | cladhaire | since the users wont have any indications |
23:56.48 | cladhaire | they no longer have the dependency disabled on the addon screen, etc. |
23:56.58 | GenNMX|Thrae | ckknight: Well, say you don't have FuBar but DO have FuBarPlugin. FuBarPLugin would go in Addons/FuBar/FuBarPlugin and give an "empty" FuBar to go in /Addons/FuBar with the prober TOC. |
23:57.05 | ckknight | well, FuClock will either depend on FuBar or it'll use FuBarPlugin as an embed |
23:57.32 | cladhaire | ckknight: Ok, so where does the dependency issue with FuBarPlugin as a standalone addon come in? |
23:57.41 | ckknight | I don't think there is an issue |
23:57.58 | ckknight | GenNMX|Thrae, there won't be an empty FuBar |
23:58.04 | cladhaire | ok |
23:58.33 | ckknight | I just want FuBar and FuBarPlugin-1.2 to be loaded next to each other if both exist |
23:58.38 | GenNMX|Thrae | ckknight: There would be if you have FuBarPlugin but not FuBar... |
23:58.49 | ckknight | GenNMX|Thrae, no there wouldn't |
23:59.11 | ckknight | plugins will either depend on FuBar or use FuBarPlugin as an embed |
23:59.21 | ckknight | those are the only two situations |
23:59.29 | ckknight | having FuBarPlugin-1.2 as a standalone is not common |
23:59.40 | cladhaire | Well thats why I get confused by the question. |
23:59.52 | GenNMX|Thrae | Embedded or Standalone? |
23:59.57 | ckknight | works as both |