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00:13.41CIA-1703cladhaire * r1801 10/branches/Clique/Clique.lua: Clique: Spellbook loads and allows tab/page changes.
00:14.06cladhaireI think i'm going to steal EasyRaids flyout type menu.
00:17.31Tekcubokey, new server time... who here's got a nice guild willing to take in newbies on a PvE or RP hordeside US server?
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00:18.06cladhaireTek: I'm guildless on Kael'thas
00:18.08cladhairewe can start a guild =)
00:18.58cladhairebut i dont pkay there all that often =)
00:19.00Temyo, cladmonster
00:19.01cladhaireyouc an be GM
00:19.04CIA-1703tekkub * r1802 10FuBar_CorkFu/ (BuffTemplate.lua ClassMage.lua):
00:19.04CIA-17FuBar_CorkFu
00:19.04CIA-17- Mage modules added
00:19.04CIA-17- Added assert to Buff template to make sure a default spell is defined for multi-spell items
00:19.07TemHakker
00:19.08cladhaireTem: Yes TemTacular?
00:19.11Temnow
00:19.15cladhaireI have alliance on Hakkar
00:19.22Tekcubhrm....
00:19.22cladhairenot Hakker, cause Hakker doesn't exist imo
00:19.51TekcubI kinda want an established, mature guild, and I do NOT want to be in charge
00:19.54TekcubI'm so over that
00:20.01cladhairehehe
00:20.51Temcladhaire: horde on Hakkar
00:21.57cladhaireTem:  =(
00:22.00cladhairewhat did you roll over there?
00:22.03Temrogue
00:22.09cladhaireI'll roll my BE warlock over there.
00:22.15Temah, cool
00:22.15Tekcuberf
00:22.23Tekcubso... uh...
00:22.28Tekcubwhothewhatnow?
00:22.32Temif I get sufficiently pissed with my alliance guild, I'll re-roll my mage there
00:22.39Temeither UD or BE
00:22.54TekcubTauren got so assraped on classes
00:23.02TekcubI want me galkan WHM back!
00:23.13Tekcubgalka RDM isn't the same...
00:23.19TekcubI mean, tauren druid
00:26.58Tekcub*poke poke*  seriously guys, know any good guilds... having a nice mature guild is central to us enjoying our reroll
00:27.16Tekcubdon't care about PvP or endgame PvE... just need company
00:28.53weabroll a toon on one of the new servers with new hardware
00:29.24Wobin_Tekcub: The Draenei look pretty galkaish
00:29.29Wobin_With the tail and all
00:31.12Tekcubyes wob
00:31.28TekcubZanon and I are already discussing revivng our galka duo
00:31.31Tekcub:)
00:31.49Tekcubwe had a WHM / WAR duo for some time, we kicked ass
00:31.59Wobin_I love the male Draenei dance
00:32.09Wobin_Someone -so- has to make a bollywood productoin =P
00:32.13TekcubI need to watch the damn previews
00:32.28Tekcubonly looked at screenies so far
00:40.49Wobin_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtITjNvaBlc
00:40.54Wobin_Male Draenei dance =P
00:41.01Wobin_TUNAK TUNAK!
00:45.57cladhaire<3 tunak tunak
00:47.21Wobin_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpAIr3AH9tk&search=tunak%20tunak
00:47.23Wobin_DA DA DA!
00:55.32cladhairethats one of the better sync'd videos.
00:56.55CIA-1703tekkub * r1803 10FuBar_CorkFu/ClassMage.lua: FuBar_CorkFu - Fixed AI icon in mage modules
00:57.02Wobin_Which isn't saying much =)
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01:20.02TainSomeone just suggested, I am HOPING jokingly but I actually don't know for sure, that we should form a guild named <CTRL ALT ELITE>
01:33.08TemTain: I <3 that idea
02:02.42Temcladhaire: is there a way to scale PR?
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02:05.00cladhaireTem: /praid scale 0.5
02:05.03cladhairelearn2slashcmd
02:05.16TemI looked
02:05.20Tembut I must have overlooked
02:05.23cladhaire=)
02:05.25cladhaireshould be there.
02:05.29cladhaireif not, just scale PerfectRaidFrame
02:06.07TemI tried directly scaling it
02:06.13Temit resets to 1 on the next update
02:06.25Tembut the slash command works
02:06.40cladhairelol
02:06.43cladhairethats why it reset =)
02:15.25Temgod damn praid kicks so much ass
02:17.28cladhairehahah
02:17.33cladhairewait til i fix all the dumb shit
02:19.50cladhairei'm very happy with where its going tho
02:19.59cladhairei just need to get it ready to run for good.
02:21.23GngskI need to try praid
02:21.30cladhaireyou should
02:21.56GngskI tried ora and bigwigs tonight in bwl
02:22.02Gngskdon't think I'll be able to go back to ctra
02:22.29cladhairesoon you won't even need ora
02:22.33cladhaireunless you want main tank stuff.
02:22.47Gngskhmm
02:23.57cladhaire./rs and /raready are coming into the default UI
02:24.13Gngskahh, right
02:24.16Tekcubthis is gonna sound oh so wrong...
02:24.28Tekcubjust watched the new BC trailer...
02:24.31cladhairek
02:24.44Tekcuband it's nice that they got a deep-voiced guy... but it's not THE deep voiced guy
02:24.51cladhairethey needed Michael Dorn
02:25.00cladhaireWorf is teh Warcraft
02:25.02Tekcubthat woulda worked too
02:25.10cladhaireno, he's done a bunch of them
02:25.17TekcubI swear some of the humans sound like Worfy
02:26.02cladhaireok
02:26.03cladhaireim tired
02:26.05cladhairenight folks
02:26.09Cairennnight clad|sleep
02:26.19Tekcubbuhbye!
02:27.14CIA-1703cladhaire * r1804 10/branches/Clique/Clique.lua: Clique: Fixed the issues with panel creation. Need to get the scrollframe working now.
02:27.18clad|sleepsomeone try to break the spellbook
02:27.22clad|sleepi know the scrollframe doesn't work
02:27.23clad|sleep=)
02:27.52clad|sleepbut try to break something
02:34.03Wobin_Tekcub: BC?
02:34.17Tekcubexpansion
02:34.25Wobin_ohyeah
02:38.28Wobin_Can anyone think of why a texture might fail to actually show, even when properly setpointed, and definitely loaded?
02:38.43Wobin_I'm getting a sort of greyed out texture in place of the one I'm after
02:38.55Wobin_Like a mask
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03:00.22Wobin_okay
03:00.24Wobin_I need a name =P
03:00.36Wobin_For my IM addon
03:01.04Wobin_I only have the graphical functionality in place atm, but it's getting there
03:02.16weabIM?
03:02.34Wobin_Instant Messenging
03:02.56weabyou mean a way to converse with other players? in a private medium?
03:03.23Wobin_Not really. It's more an extension of the current system
03:03.34Wobin_in that conversations are placed into their own windows
03:03.37Wobin_which you can move around
03:04.06weabyou mean like if you clicked "create new window" and set it to filter everything but whispers?
03:04.16Wobin_aye on an individual basis
03:04.26Wobin_So you'd have a window for each person speaking to you
03:04.38Wobin_and any response tped in that window would respond to that person specifically
03:05.00Wobin_Basically like ICQ or AIM or MSNMessenger really
03:10.28weabcall it switchboard
03:13.45Wobin_hm =)
03:13.53Wobin_Or Operator
03:13.59Wobin_But I like Switchboard
03:14.06Cairennsomething similar to ForgottenLord's? http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4403
03:14.13Cairennand yeah, I like switchboard
03:15.00Cairennfwiw
03:15.56Wobin_Cairenn: Similar functionality =) Here, I'll upload what I've done for the moment so you can see
03:16.04Wobin_I'm going more for a tabbed window approach
03:16.20Wobin_You can drag the tabs from the starting window to create a new one, and move tabs between windows
03:16.22Cairennwas just making sure I was following, before weighing in on the name vote
03:20.03CIA-1703wobin * r1805 10SwitchBoard/ (. SwitchBoard.lua SwitchBoard.toc):
03:20.04CIA-17SwitchBoard - Initial import: Messaging system using tabbed windows.
03:20.04CIA-17- Not fully functional apart from the graphical interface
03:22.38Cairennbtw, that wasn't said to discourage you from continuing with yours .. as I said, was just making sure I had the right idea in mind
03:22.45Wobin_hehe =)
03:23.00Wobin_I'm doing this more for myself than anyone else =)
03:23.17Cairennwell, I'd hope you guys know me well enough after all these months ...
03:23.25Wobin_Naturally
03:24.13CIA-1703wobin * r1806 10SwitchBoard/ (. SwitchBoard.toc): SwitchBoard - Added in externals for emblibs and updated toc
03:24.44weabi was kinda leaning towards making fun of you because it sounded redundent/unnecessary, but after a few minutes i decided it sounded useful :P
03:24.47CIA-1703wobin * r1807 10FreezeFrameLib/Lib/FreezeFrameLib.lua: FreezeFrameLib - Updated to deal better with textures.
03:24.53Wobin_Hehe =)
03:24.57Wobin_Go play with ti
03:25.12Wobin_break it for me, if you can. All that's there is the widgety functionality
03:26.46CairennI get called redundant and unnecessary all the time :(
03:26.49Wobin_Rightclickdrag will move the window, left click on tabs will activate that chat, and shift leftclick will allow you to drag tabs off the current window into a new one, or onto an existing ong
03:28.26weabdo you work for the government or something?
03:29.29Cairennit was a joke ... /roll eyes
03:29.35weab:P
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04:05.47Kaeltenanyone have any clue how to use tablet?
04:13.13Wobin_No =P
04:13.19Wobin_I'd like to know though =P
04:19.48CIA-1703tekkub * r1808 10FuBar_CorkFu/ (ClassHunter.lua Core.lua):
04:19.48CIA-17FuBar_CorkFu
04:19.48CIA-17- Added icons to hunter aspects
04:19.48CIA-17- Tweaked an assert in core to be more descriptive
04:56.27TainIt just hit me one of the big reasons I dislike the new curse layout so much.  The columns are static.  Content doesn't dynamically resize with the browser width.
05:54.12hastehmm, every PvE orientated guild on my server migrated, except one on horde side
05:54.24haste(a total of 21 guilds)
06:07.47hasteon the other hand - I have 12ms in orgrimmar
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06:10.18Amadeo_Good morning :P
06:10.31hastemorning
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06:13.11Amadeo_No other alivers?
06:14.05Amadeo_I know Soku is alive
06:14.08Amadeo_and I bet he's on a laptop
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06:25.13ElkanohyperChipmunk, are you there?
06:27.05[MoonWolf]well he has been inactive for an hour or 30.....
06:27.08[MoonWolf]so I doubt it.
06:27.43Elkanok...
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06:43.13[MoonWolf]http://cgi.ebay.com/Genuine-Vintage-PET-ROCK-w-Crate-Care-Booklet-NR_W0QQitemZ6628443376QQcategoryZ3224QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
06:59.25[MoonWolf]http://thedailywtf.com/forums/72605/PostAttachment.aspx
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07:15.32[MoonWolf]Smart: Finding an old 8x Backpack CD Drive that is compatible with damn near everything, testing it, verifying that it works properly, and making the decision to keep it in the workshop in case I ever have to work on an old system with a non-functional CD Drive and no USB ports.
07:15.32[MoonWolf]Stupid: Burning the drivers for said backpack CD Drive to a CD.
07:20.55Soku[Laptop]lawl
07:20.57Industrial[MoonWolf]: http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php/topic,1429.msg24617.html#msg24617
07:21.35[MoonWolf]hmm
07:21.40[MoonWolf]that really is getting bad.
07:21.43Industrialyeah
07:21.49Industrialthere was a freekin sticky for it
07:29.08[MoonWolf]there
07:29.22[MoonWolf]and no more talking about that in that topic indu
07:30.37Industrial[MoonWolf]: ok thanks
07:31.04[MoonWolf]I wanted to go delete delete ban for a second there though.
07:31.20Industriali have karma?
07:31.22Industrial:P
07:31.38Industrial-4 hah :P
07:31.56[MoonWolf]I have +4
07:33.01CIA-1703maia * r1809 10Squishy/ (core.lua locals.lua): Squishy: should now also work for non healing classes (added class modifiers)
07:33.18Industrialyay@maia
07:33.32Industrialthere was a suggestion to unload it for non healing classes
07:33.49Industrialbut i think you should do that with the built in thingy by blizzard
07:33.51Industrial(or ace)
07:34.07Industrialno wait ace disables it for all chars
07:57.21*** topic/#wowace by [MoonWolf] -> wowace.com | ace.pastebin.com | Everything works before it stops working.
08:13.00[Ammo]morning
08:13.27[MoonWolf]morning ammo
08:19.07[Ammo]I have a problem with Ace 1.3.1
08:19.24[Ammo]Ace 1.3 worked fine with Hooks (in Necronomicon) but 1.3.1 seems to have broken it
08:19.32[MoonWolf]no, that cannot be, it must be your own fault.
08:19.33[Ammo]there's probably some API change i missed, or something I did wrong in the first place
08:19.38Industrialklamah owns
08:19.41Industrialkalmah*
08:19.53[Ammo]well Ace 1.3 works, 1.3.1 doesn't ( from WOWI)
08:19.58[MoonWolf]hmmm
08:20.00Industrialits so raw, so brutish :D
08:20.02[Ammo]so I probably do something wrong
08:20.11[Ammo]just wondering what ;)
08:20.14[MoonWolf]there are ace's on the svn too, get the rc 3 tag.
08:20.18[MoonWolf]see what that does.
08:20.30[Ammo]does anyone have a working hooking thing with 1.3.1 that I can take a look at?
08:20.48[MoonWolf]mendeleev runs under 1.3.1 rc3
08:20.56[Ammo]does it hook stuff?
08:20.59[MoonWolf]but it only features function hooks.
08:21.07[Ammo]I hook things like UseAction
08:21.27[Ammo]and call the original registering the spell etc
08:22.35[MoonWolf]in this trend oldfunc = useaction; useaction = function () oldfunc(); end ? but with the acehooks ?
08:22.46[Ammo]with self:Hook
08:23.05[Ammo]I see a difference though
08:23.11[Ammo]<PROTECTED>
08:23.24[Ammo]self:Hook("CastSpell", "OnCastSpell", Necronomicon )
08:23.28[Ammo]from Necronomicon
08:23.34[MoonWolf]yes that one is an exception to the rule as its not a tooltip.
08:23.58[Ammo]I think I should just remove the arguments and name the function CastSpell
08:23.59[MoonWolf]for a more easy to comprihend version
08:24.30[MoonWolf]grab a 6.0 or 5.0 version
08:24.43[Ammo]I'm looking at the syntax atm
08:25.01[Ammo]and what I am doing different is naming my hook OnCastSpell
08:25.15[Ammo]whereas others just use the original name
08:25.34[MoonWolf]self:Hook(GameTooltip, "SetLootRollItem", "GameTooltip_SetLootRollItem")
08:25.42[MoonWolf]function Mendeleev:GameTooltip_SetLootRollItem(id)
08:25.42[MoonWolf]self:CallHook(GameTooltip, "SetLootRollItem", id)
08:25.42[MoonWolf]local link = GetLootRollItemLink(id)
08:25.42[MoonWolf]Mendeleev:ParseTooltip(GameTooltip,link)
08:25.43[MoonWolf]end
08:26.03[Ammo]I might be using the api a bit wrong or sometihng
08:26.05[Ammo]meh
08:26.07[Ammo]I'll change it
08:26.12[Ammo]see if I can get it to work
08:26.23[MoonWolf]or bug cladhaire if you really need to
08:26.25[MoonWolf]he wrote it.
08:26.39[MoonWolf]the hooking code in ace.
08:27.26[Ammo]yeah
08:34.53Industrialbeautiful piece of music
08:41.54[MoonWolf]wow
08:41.57[MoonWolf]I want that.
08:41.59Industrial:P
08:42.45[Ammo]I got punched in the face by the bass player
08:42.48[Ammo]does that count? :)
08:42.52Industriallol
08:42.55[Ammo]lowlands 2000
08:43.06[Ammo]I was backstage and photographed his worn out sminckl
08:43.11Industrialyou climbed on stage?
08:43.12Industrialoh lol
08:43.18Industrialouch ;
08:43.19Industrial;x
08:43.21[Ammo]he didn't like it
08:43.22[Ammo]:)
08:44.10Neronixmorning
08:45.02[MoonWolf][Ammo], that would work too.
08:45.07[MoonWolf]I want the pictures.
08:45.11Industrial:P
08:49.11[Ammo]hehe
09:22.15[MoonWolf]http://www.pcweenies.org/toon_archive.php?toon=799
09:25.09*** topic/#wowace by [MoonWolf] -> wowace.com | ace.pastebin.com | Users are like Slinkys, they aren't good for anything, but they still give you a smile when you push them down the stairs
09:27.21NeronixHehe
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09:37.35Industrial[MoonWolf]: do you know if this really is CoB? i cant believe it its.. its so different...
09:37.43[MoonWolf]hmmm
09:37.55[MoonWolf]dont have that song....
09:38.27[MoonWolf]http://www.darkelucidation.com/children_of_bodom_discography.php <- yep
09:38.54Industrialah bet its a cover then
09:38.59Industriallike iron, steel, metal
09:39.07[MoonWolf]could be
09:40.02Industriali have something wild, downfall, hatebreeder, follow the reaper and hate crew deathroll
09:40.08Industrialfrom there on they start sucking more :(
09:40.48[MoonWolf]I have, to many within temptation songs
09:41.10[MoonWolf]all the album ones and way to many live ones.
09:41.33Industrialmeh within temptation
09:41.37Industrialthey need a new act
09:41.44Industrialtoo much 'wavy arm thingy'
09:41.49NeronixPreviewed them once and I couldn't stand em :(
09:41.49[MoonWolf]hmm
09:42.10[MoonWolf]smites*
09:42.49[MoonWolf]therion is good too
09:42.51Wobin_wooty
09:42.52Wobin_If so, I suggest that you download and install Firefox 2.0 Alpha "Bon Echo". Not only do they seem to have fixed this memory problem (Wow I close a tab and the amount of memory it's using goes down! Imagine that!), but there are lots of other little useful features as well. They've added spell checking in forms! This means that it will automatically spell check LJ comment windows. ;)
09:42.56Wobin_Hurrah!
09:43.06Wobin_(Thank God)
09:43.12Industrial'back' ?
09:43.21Wobin_Not that Opera isn't nice... but I much prefer FF
09:43.27Wobin_I had that memory issue
09:43.30NeronixI'll give it a try
09:43.31Industrialoh
09:43.34Industriali dont :)
09:43.38Wobin_lucky =)
09:43.40NeronixI just switched to Opera and I hate the way its adblock works
09:44.06Neronixand the fact its greasemonkey compatability thing doesn't work 100% right
09:44.14Neronixand its closed-sourceness
09:44.16Wobin_Absolutely
09:44.18Wobin_utterly!
09:44.23Wobin_I so need greasemonkey
09:44.33[MoonWolf]I never use it.
09:44.35NeronixFinntroll's cool
09:44.36Wobin_Just for it's ability to climb the Great Firewall of China
09:44.55Wobin_AutomaticAnonymouse ftw!
09:45.32NeronixIf I ever make a ZG video, this has to be the bg music :P
09:45.48[MoonWolf]hah
09:45.52[MoonWolf]I have more obscure music
09:46.03NeronixSo do I :P
09:46.38[MoonWolf]hey, whaterver language that it, it doesnt count!!!!! :P
09:47.07NeronixIcelandic :P
09:58.05Wobin_hm, I miss being able to search for extensions by firefox version =(
10:00.32IndustrialI miss being able to see 1 extension in only one category, and not in every category 'just because its a XX as well as an YY' thing.
10:22.58ThianaSome people have too much time on their hands... http://ui.worldofwar.net/ui.php?id=2594
10:25.26Wobin_hrm
10:25.38Wobin_I have to say however, Opera deals with RSS a whole lot better so far than FF
10:25.44Wobin_at least in feed reading
10:48.37CIA-1703neronix * r1810 10Lexan/ (Changelog.txt Lexan.lua):
10:48.37CIA-17Lexan
10:48.37CIA-17- Removed the Mobile Frames compatibility code. Who actually uses it??
10:48.37CIA-17- Minor cleanups
11:01.30CIA-1703wobin * r1811 10FreezeFrameLib/Lib/FreezeFrameLib.lua: FreezeFrameLib - Removed debug statement
11:09.06NeronixGah
11:09.30NeronixHow do I make sure that the revision and date keywords in files are always updated at every commit, and not just whenever they are changed?
11:10.45Wobin_svn:keywords
11:11.17NeronixThat's precisely what I'm doing XD
11:11.19Wobin_the $Date$ and $Rev$ keywords should work
11:11.29Wobin_lemme have a look
11:11.32Neronixbut the keywords in a file only change whenever said file is changed
11:12.07Wobin_ah
11:12.11NeronixWait, do I apply the keywords properties to the whole folder or just induvidual files?
11:12.36Wobin_I've always done it on a folder basis, but I don't know if that makes a difference
11:15.05CIA-1703neronix * r1812 10NanoStats/ (NanoStats.lua NanoStats.toc):
11:15.05CIA-17NanoStats
11:15.05CIA-17- Attempt to fix keywords
11:15.56NeronixGah, setting it on the folder didn't work >.<
11:16.43Wobin_I guess you'll have to 'touch' each file to get it to update properly
11:19.22NeronixI will
11:21.17NeronixIf you meant unix touch, that doesn't seem to work. Tortoise doesn't recognise the change
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11:27.34CIA-1703neronix * r1813 10NanoStats/ (NanoStats.lua NanoStats.toc NanoStatsLocals.lua):
11:27.35CIA-17NanoStats
11:27.35CIA-17- Fuck keywords. Going back to manually updated x.x.x versioning
11:28.18cladhaireyeah FUCK keywords
11:28.29cladhairei feel like shit this morning, so I'm staying home
11:28.34cladhairenow to try and feel better =(
11:29.05[Ammo]oh cladhaire
11:29.08[Ammo]now that you're here
11:29.16[Ammo]I have a question about Ace 1.3.1 and Hooks
11:29.35[Ammo]because the hooks I use in Necronomicon stopped working when I changed 1.3 -> 1.3.1
11:29.46CIA-1703neronix * r1814 10Lexan/ (Changelog.txt Lexan.lua Lexan.toc):
11:29.46CIA-17Lexan
11:29.46CIA-17- Fuck keywords. Going back to manually updated x.x.x versioning
11:29.59Elkanoremember: "no matter how bad you're feeling, there's allways someone who feels 'bader'" ;) (I hated my Enlish teacher for this joke...)
11:31.35cladhairethere should have been 0 difference between AceHook 1.3 and 1.3.1
11:31.36cladhairelemme look
11:32.39cladhairesame file
11:32.39[Ammo]hmm
11:32.52[Ammo]weird
11:32.59cladhaireenable acedebug and see if you're getting any messages
11:33.00[Ammo]I went back to my old version and it worked again
11:33.04cladhairethey'd come from your addon specifically
11:33.16cladhairebbias, have to take the dog out.
11:33.29[Ammo]I can't test it right now, just wondered if I did something wrong
11:36.39Wobin_~Dr Tran
11:36.47Wobin_~Dr. Tran
11:36.50purlHere comes Dr. Tran!
11:37.06Wobin_Damnit. Who puts a full stop after DR?
11:37.08Wobin_er Dr?
11:37.21Wobin_it's a contraction, but not one that uses the period =P
11:42.15cladhairein america its abbreviated with a period.,
11:42.24cladhaire*shrug*
11:44.01Wobin_Ah. America =)
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12:15.07Industrialamerica, dragons be there
12:15.29Industrialand bushes >_>
12:22.56Industrialif iraq  - or iran whatever same heap of sand - needs to stop making nuclear toys, the US need sto dump theirs first
12:23.02Industrialthey have most of them anyway
12:24.09[MoonWolf]ah but you see, the usa is ofcourse not EVIL so it doesnt matter.
12:33.42Industrialproud and so golrious, standing before of us. our swirds shining bright in the skyyy
12:33.48Industrial[MoonWolf]: sing with me!
12:33.50Industrial:P
12:34.58[MoonWolf]When united we come to the land of the sun
12:34.58[MoonWolf]With the heart of a dragon we ride
12:35.22Industrial^^
12:35.57Industrialwhen united we come and divided they fall, tonight you will witness it all!
12:36.02Industrialnananannanana
12:38.09[MoonWolf]So far away we wait for the day,
12:38.10[MoonWolf]For the light source so wasted and gone,
12:38.10[MoonWolf]We feel the pain of a lifetime lost in a thousand days,
12:38.10[MoonWolf]Through the fire and the flames we carry on!
12:39.33[MoonWolf]hey you got aina now ?
12:42.10Industrialstill last.fm radio
12:52.35CIA-1703wobin * r1815 10ReverseEngineering/ (ReverseEngineering.lua ReverseEngineering.toc): ReverseEngineering - updated to fix Bad skill line in ExpandTradeSkillSubClass error
12:53.41Wobin_Tunaktunak!
12:54.03[MoonWolf]DesuDesuDesuDesuDesuDesuDesuDesuDesuDesu
12:54.23Wobin_They don't say that =P
12:54.32[MoonWolf]but I do.
13:03.27GenNMX|ThraeOhayo MoonWolf! Genki desu ka?
13:04.28[MoonWolf]Hai, genki desu
13:10.19Elkanowobin, does RE work with FramesResized?
13:10.52Wobin_um
13:10.56Wobin_I have no idea =)
13:11.02Wobin_What does FramesResized do?
13:11.54[MoonWolf]Wobin_, is your chinese good enough and are you willing to help me with some email conversationing ?
13:12.12Wobin_I can try
13:12.50[MoonWolf]I have a translater for mendeleev who does translation in chinese. however I got the worst engrish email ever.
13:13.02Wobin_Ah, engrish I'm great at translating =)
13:14.09[MoonWolf]http://ace.pastebin.com/718636
13:14.48[MoonWolf]his email... I thought it would be easier to ask him to rephrase that in chinese and have you translate it back.
13:15.59Elkanowobin, it resizes the craft frame
13:16.14Elkano-> http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?s=&id=4547
13:16.40Wobin_He's asking about whether there's a specific lua editor you can recommend him, I'd say
13:17.17Wobin_Elkano: Does it just stretch the current frame?
13:17.23Wobin_Or does it create it's own?
13:18.04Elkanostretches
13:18.17Wobin_Should be fine then =)
13:18.20Elkano@moonwolf: say thanks to him for localizing ItemDB :)
13:18.39[MoonWolf]hmmm
13:18.42[MoonWolf]if you want me too, sure
13:19.01[MoonWolf]that guy has to be like the hero of chinese wow players everywhere
13:19.03Elkanowell, he posted hi loocalization to curse
13:19.27Wobin_xie xie, ni de shidifanghua hen hao!
13:19.28[MoonWolf]best thing is, he manages to do that with the very limited english he has.
13:19.36Wobin_hm
13:19.43Wobin_does your irc font support chinese?
13:19.54[MoonWolf]not on my laptop
13:20.30[MoonWolf]but I think my browser does, so you can email or pastebin anything.
13:21.55[Cu]NeTGood morning
13:22.24[MoonWolf]morning
13:22.30[MoonWolf]well more like afternoon already
13:22.50netcursei m living with us US gtm so .PO
13:22.57netcurse15h22 but it s hte morning!
13:23.20Wobin_谢谢你的使地方化很好
13:23.32netcurseagreed
13:23.36Wobin_hey that worked better than I expected =)
13:23.40Elkanocool, my client does support it :)
13:23.48Wobin_That's elkano's reply btw thanking him
13:24.06Wobin_Oh and tack on a '!' after for emphasis =)
13:24.07[MoonWolf]hey that looks like è and all that kind of nonesense on my laptop.
13:24.37ElkanomIRC 6.17 finaly is capable of UTF-8 :)
13:24.43Wobin_yep =)
13:25.01[MoonWolf]hhm
13:25.04[MoonWolf]let me try something
13:25.06hastehello
13:25.31[MoonWolf]throw a font name with chinese support my way plz
13:27.11hastekochi-substitute = japanese at least
13:27.53[MoonWolf]need chinese
13:28.11hastearphicfonts
13:28.35Wobin_hm, I dunno if all my ones are preinstalled or not... minglin
13:28.49Wobin_pmingliu
13:29.11Elkanomoonwolf, any utf-8 font should do
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13:32.59[MoonWolf]throw something chinisy at me.
13:33.33[Ammo]ni hau
13:33.38[Ammo]ni hao I mean :p
13:33.44[MoonWolf]oh god.
13:33.46SlaymanI love my new G15!
13:33.50[MoonWolf]that wont help me much now will it.
13:34.03TainSlayman is late to the party!
13:34.13SlaymanI'm sorry what did i miss?
13:34.19[Ammo]I made my keyboard drawer .5centimeters too small for a G15 :(
13:34.20TainGetting a G15 earlier. :)
13:34.22[Ammo]stupid me
13:34.36Slaymanwell l8er is better ^^
13:34.47[MoonWolf]Slayman, tell that to a date.
13:35.38Slayman~whaleslap [MoonWolf]
13:35.41purlACTION beats [MoonWolf] upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh
13:35.50[MoonWolf]~whaleparry [MoonWolf]
13:35.52purlACTION uses a slightly less-huge but eminently more agile killer whale named Edwardo to parry [MoonWolf]'s attacks.
13:36.18Slaymanha it blocks ur attack, so i won, period
13:36.21Wobin_bugger
13:36.38Wobin_Pastebing ... htmlises the chinese =)
13:36.48Wobin_你好,q09q09
13:36.48Wobin_对ä¸èµ·,请问你寄信你的请求å†æ¬¡,
13:36.49Wobin_但是写汉语.我的朋å‹å¸®æˆ‘翻译
13:36.49Wobin_谢谢
13:36.49Wobin_月狼
13:37.32[MoonWolf]damnit
13:37.36Wobin_Hello q09q09, I'm sorry, could you resend your request but this time in chinese? My friend will help me translate. Thank you, Moonwolf
13:37.42[MoonWolf]stop being blocks and start being text.
13:40.06[MoonWolf]mail that to moonwolf.crn@gmail.com will you.
13:40.09[MoonWolf]ill tackle this at hom.e
13:40.24Wobin_sure
13:40.49[MoonWolf]id copy paste it myself but I dont trust xchat to actually copy paste the code and not copy paste ?? or those 译 signs
13:42.06Wobin_Ironically, 译 means 'translate' =)
13:42.23[MoonWolf]hmm, looks like internally xchat copy pastes fine then
13:42.37[MoonWolf]but when I paste outside of xchat it gets turned in to regular questionmarks.
13:42.57[MoonWolf]chinese use commas in text ?
13:44.01Slaymanhereby i state: I h8 Truesilver Deopts!
13:44.45[MoonWolf]hear hear
13:46.48[MoonWolf]Neronix, you yust released nanostats and already you are threatening your users.
13:46.49[MoonWolf]good job.
13:48.14Neronixlol
13:48.25Neronixyou mean the thing about requesting bloat?
13:49.25GenNMX|ThraeWhat's BabbleLib?
13:51.25hastewhere? where?
13:51.26GenNMX|ThraeAh, combat parsing lib. Is it any good?
13:51.30hastewtb the drama!
13:53.45Wobin_moonwolf: yeah, there's a need for pauses too =)
13:55.14NeronixGenNMX|Thrae: Not a combat parser. It provides some handy things for localisation
13:55.34GenNMX|ThraeYeah, I see that now. Darn.
13:56.20GenNMX|ThraeI have a highly optimized combat log parser for English, but I need some type of gsub and/or localization code for other languages.
13:57.26Wobin_GenNMX|Thrae: The grammar changes with the language you realise? =)
13:57.36GenNMX|Thraes/localization/localized strings/.
13:58.18GenNMX|ThraeWobin_: Right, hence why I need either localized strings or localized gsub of GlobalStrings.lua
13:58.43NeronixGenNMX|Thrae: Use BabbleLib's deformat method
13:58.56TainIgnore non-English users.
13:59.21Neronixtarget, damage = babble:Deformat(arg1, CorrectGlobalStringToUse)
13:59.32TainIt's not like you can understand what they're saying when they complain anyway!
13:59.44[MoonWolf]yeah I did that once, the next thing you know some guy named q09q09 is posting translations on your curse thread.
14:01.14GenNMX|ThraeNeronix: Ahhh, so Babblelib does have localized combat log regexp?
14:01.49GenNMX|ThraeGood, I can just say "Screw you non-English users, you don't get optimized code!" just like Tain wants.
14:02.31[MoonWolf]hehe
14:02.33Tainyay!
14:02.38[MoonWolf]and that will be the end of the issue!!!
14:02.43NeronixDeformat is basically the opposite of format
14:02.44Wobin_oh tain
14:02.45TainToo bad you can't exclude Canadians too.
14:02.52[MoonWolf]Neronix, who would have thunk.
14:02.52Wobin_I was going to post on the bugsack thread...
14:03.07Wobin_but if you set bugsack to popup the window on error, it actually shows the error
14:03.18TainOh ok, I never use the popup window.
14:03.25Wobin_I've had it come up with an empty error before and the popup at least gives the error to you
14:03.28TainWe hatesss it yessss
14:03.29[MoonWolf]I always do a /bs list
14:03.38TainYeah, me too MoonWolf.
14:03.39Wobin_bs list doesn't always return it =)
14:03.39Neronixbabble:Deformat(String, pattern, PatternToAppend1, PatternToAppend2, PatternToAppend3)
14:03.45TainIt needs to.
14:03.53NeronixPatternToAppend is for stuff like RESIST_TRAILER or BLOCK_TRAILER
14:03.54Wobin_I know =)
14:04.02TainI only use /bs list.  And pop up the window occasionally if I need to copy/paste out.
14:04.07[MoonWolf]I like the errors OUT of my face
14:04.13Wobin_Actually I'd like it to redirect the error into the chatframe
14:04.16Wobin_as well
14:04.17[MoonWolf]untill the moment I decide otherwise.
14:04.21TainYeah that's not a bad option to have.
14:11.26hasteshaman in my guild renamed his char to: Tentacle
14:12.21haste<PROTECTED>
14:20.29[MoonWolf]oh god
14:20.34[MoonWolf]there goes anohter hour of my life
14:20.36[MoonWolf]again
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14:28.59Tupladhm
14:29.02Tupladlike, wssup
14:29.13weablike, hi
14:29.42[Ammo]good afternoon
14:29.58TainNamaste
14:30.30[MoonWolf]like hello
14:30.36[MoonWolf]ni hao ?
14:31.10Tupladhm ik spreek wel nederlands :]
14:31.17Tupladwell, I was told to get on this chan
14:31.35[MoonWolf]Nederlands ftw.
14:31.45[MoonWolf]now we have eeeuh 4 or 5 dutch
14:31.51Tupladna'ah
14:31.55Tuplad<- Rus
14:31.59[MoonWolf]damnit
14:32.02Tupladexactly :)
14:32.18[MoonWolf]Maar je spreekt wel nederlands, hoe komt dat zo ?
14:32.27[Ammo]belgium from his hostname
14:32.46Tupladik woon al 7 jaar in Belgie
14:32.53[MoonWolf]aha
14:32.56Tupladbijna 7
14:32.58[MoonWolf]goed opgepikt.
14:33.10Tuplad6 jaar en 5 maanden, ben hier vanaf 1999 31 december
14:33.12[MoonWolf]je accent zal wel niet zo mooi zijn.
14:33.18Tupladhmm, praat perfect nederlands
14:33.31Tupladnu nog een Belgisch papiertje en je merkt het verschil niet
14:33.57[MoonWolf]Je kunt belgen er altijd uit pikken.
14:34.11[MoonWolf]dus maak dat maar perfect vlaams.
14:34.17Tuplad:)
14:34.29[MoonWolf]still, good job on that, I know I could not pick up russian.
14:34.36Tupladoveral waar ik kom hoor ik wel het volgende: hey kut belg kom eens hier je gaat nu klappen krijgen van mijn pakistaan paka
14:34.37Tupladpapa*
14:34.41Tuplad=)
14:34.50[MoonWolf]lol
14:35.18Tupladnog nooit heeft er iemand gezegd dat ik op een allochtoon lijk, ik maak nog wel foutjes met de/het en dit/dat/deze
14:35.46Tupladen woorden die aan elkaar of apart geschreven moeten worden, anywayz - we talkin' english or dutch ?
14:35.52[MoonWolf]english
14:35.53Tupladw/e its all good for me, where's Tyrrael ?
14:36.08[MoonWolf]~seen tyrrael
14:36.19purl[MoonWolf]: i haven't seen 'tyrrael'
14:36.27[MoonWolf]hmmm
14:36.31[MoonWolf]not here.
14:36.41[MoonWolf]morning
14:37.02Cairennhey
14:37.20Tuplad;\
14:37.42Tupladhttp://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php/topic,1429.20.html about that thread
14:38.19NeronixGah, patterns are acting funky for me
14:38.22Neronixbrb, pastebinning
14:39.54Tuplad;_; who uses Retaliation ?
14:43.27[MoonWolf]screw you guys, im going home.
14:43.38Tupladlal
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14:53.16Amadeo_Good....morning
14:53.19NeronixGah, I can't figure out how to make a pattern that only matches the final occurrence of a number >.<
14:53.20NeronixMorning
14:53.44Tupladformat c: is the solution
14:53.53Neronix>.>
14:54.01Tupladyeah
14:55.42Amadeo_I saw that post on WoWI
14:55.45TupladImma go wow a bit, *waves*
14:56.08Cairenno.O
14:56.52Amadeo_Nothing bad, Cairenn, just someone helping Neronix :)
14:56.55Amadeo_with bugs
14:56.58Cairennk
14:57.58NeronixCairenn: The Ace categories aren't in the list you have to pick from when you submit an addon
14:58.36Amadeo_It's completely impossible to get something like access to a real instant messaging client from within WoW, right?
14:58.49CairennAmadeo_: correct
14:59.00CairennNeronix: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=18
14:59.23Amadeo_I guess we should all start using XFire for the overlay then :P
14:59.54TainGet a second computer!
15:00.05Amadeo_Tain: Please buy me one, a laptop works :)
15:00.50TainI still have an empty hole in my soul where my laptop used to be.
15:01.24NeronixCairenn: Ah, sorry
15:01.27Amadeo_You're a poet
15:01.44CairennNeronix: not a problem, just saying that it's best to post it, so I don't forget
15:02.02Cairennmy mind is rather elsewhere today, so telling me is less than useless
15:02.47Cairennhey, anyone want a panic attack? giving mine away for free!
15:02.57weabsure
15:02.58TainNo thanks, I'm all full up.
15:03.02weabi could use some excitement
15:03.12Amadeo_Cairenn: You give away lots of problems for free
15:03.14Amadeo_:)
15:03.49CairennI'm a very giving person, what can I say?
15:04.18Amadeo_haha
15:04.30weabi don't think i'm capable of a panic attack. those require you to care about something
15:04.35weabwhich requires way too much effort
15:08.19Wobin_Neronix: I've already posted about that =)
15:08.26Wobin_But you can add to the post =)
15:08.39Wobin_Neronix: PS what's the code you're having issues with?
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15:10.29NeronixWobin_: For ripping out damage numbers in combat log messages, I just did %d+, but it turns out there's mobs with numbers in their names, which fucks up things a bit
15:10.36NeronixI'll go look for your post
15:11.08Amadeo_Neronix: I have a bug in Lexan on load
15:11.47Wobin_There are mobs with numbers?
15:11.54Wobin_oh, mechanicals
15:12.21NeronixArcane Nullifier X-21 for example
15:12.22Amadeo_Lexan.lua:4: `}' expected (to close `{' at line 1) near `releaseDate'
15:12.43Amadeo_the new one on WoWI gives me that on load
15:12.44NeronixI ALWAYS forget the fucking comma >.>
15:12.47Amadeo_hehe
15:13.35CIA-1703neronix * r1816 10NanoStats/NanoStatsLocals.lua: NanoStats - "I ALWAYS forget the fucking comma >.>"
15:13.50CIA-1703neronix * r1817 10Lexan/Lexan.lua: Lexan - "I ALWAYS forget the fucking comma >.>"
15:14.25CairennNeronix: you fucking swear a lot, don't you, you fucker
15:15.05Slaymani have to admit additionally low level BGs are FUN!
15:15.21NeronixCairenn: :<
15:15.25Cairennhehehe
15:15.31Amadeo_New servers really suck, to be honest
15:15.39weabeh?
15:15.41Amadeo_it's best to roll a new char on an established server
15:15.45TainI couldn't disagree more.
15:15.55Slaymanno overly equipped epic chars. Very much skill dependent
15:15.56Amadeo_Nobody runs BGs on new servers
15:15.58Amadeo_it's like a wasteland
15:16.06SlaymanNew Servers ROCK for PvP !
15:16.06weabnew servers are awesome.
15:16.07Amadeo_you wait 2 hours for queue
15:16.08TainBest to twink a new character from the AH on an established server.
15:16.11Amadeo_pff
15:16.18Amadeo_NOBODY even plays Arathi Basin on Akama
15:16.25Amadeo_it's empty, and has been for months
15:16.38TainNo one plays AB on other servers either, they only do because everything else is full.
15:16.40Amadeo_WSG has like 1-2 games running on a weekend
15:16.43TainEveryone hates AB.
15:16.47Amadeo_which is practically nothing
15:16.52Amadeo_there's probably 8 games running on Eredar
15:17.27Amadeo_Alterac Valley is pretty rare, but there is a game once and a while
15:17.30Amadeo_(Akama)
15:17.47SlaymanAB from 40-49 w8 time is about 15 mins
15:17.49weabi'd call this a battleground related issue in general
15:17.59weabnot a what-server-you're-on issue
15:18.12Amadeo_it's a low population issue
15:18.30Amadeo_Linked BGs will help, but hurt at the same time
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15:18.52Amadeo_Well, at least until 60
15:18.56Slaymanthis Gaming Switch in the G15 FUCKS my windows key, AWESOME!
15:19.33Amadeo_Had this twinked out 49 Hunter in WSG last night...now my Warrior has pretty decent gear, I'm in mostly blues, but maybe not the best enchants/gear available
15:19.54Amadeo_Well, it took 5 people at once to kill this guy, and then he drank a potion and ended up killing 3 before he died
15:19.56Amadeo_rofl
15:20.00Amadeo_I hate gear sometimes
15:21.07TainEveryone should fight naked?
15:21.15Amadeo_that would be fun
15:21.17Amadeo_haha
15:21.20Amadeo_naked-only BGs
15:22.09Amadeo_casters get no spells :P
15:22.32TainSlap fight
15:22.43Amadeo_there's a [Fight Club] item in the game
15:23.36Amadeo_ahh, EQ days
15:23.43Amadeo_<- EQ beta :(
15:23.58TainI was just complaining about EQ last night.
15:24.04Cairennit was funny, actually
15:24.20TainNot everyone shares my view that the way they implented Kunark was the worst thing that happened to EQ.
15:24.31Amadeo_Yeah, I disagree :)
15:24.37weabthat's interesting Cairenn
15:24.41Amadeo_EQ was ruined when it fell into the hands of SoE
15:24.43Amadeo_that's all!
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15:24.46weabmy friend used to play eq topless too
15:25.03TainWell, that was mainly starting with Kunark. :)
15:25.14Amadeo_nuh uh!
15:25.17Amadeo_Luclin
15:25.19NeronixWhat's Kunark? An expansion?
15:25.22Amadeo_yeah
15:25.28NeronixI see
15:25.31Amadeo_Kunark was a good expansion, I thought
15:25.39Amadeo_Velious was good, but annoying at times
15:25.42CairennThe "public" would be having a problem breaking [whatever zone] ... they'd call us in with a plea for help.  We'd arrive, strip all our gear off and toss it in our bags and walk into zone nekkid.  10 minutes later, we'd call the "public" raid in and present them with a nicely broken zone
15:25.47Amadeo_I quit at Luclin beta
15:26.04TainKunark the content was.  But they absolutely destroyed class balance, class verses environment balance, and equipment balaance.
15:26.18weaboh, that's less fun than actually being nekkid.
15:26.18Cairennkunark destroyed rangers
15:26.26Amadeo_Tain: How so? What classes are you referring to?
15:26.35TainWhen you went from the best weapons you could get being 8/24 and 7/21 to yard trash dropping 10/21 type stuff.
15:26.50Cairennoh, it was 3 in the morning typically ... trust me, I wasn't wearing my irl either, at that hour
15:26.59Cairenns/my/much/
15:27.08weab:p
15:27.12TainKunark just threw equipment that ws order of magnitudes better than anything you could get at players, instead of ramping it up.
15:27.24Amadeo_hm
15:27.29Amadeo_I remember skill buffs in Kunark
15:27.31TainIt started the out of control spiral of stat inflation.
15:27.42Amadeo_I even remember buffs for Rangers
15:27.44Amadeo_huge buffs for Rogues
15:27.59weabit was also fun tain :P
15:28.01Slaymanhey it's springbreak time now isn't it?
15:28.03TainOh, it also marked the last chance they had to "fix" Complete Heal.
15:28.13Amadeo_What was wrong with Complete Heal?
15:28.33TainAck CH was the worst thing in EQ.  
15:28.36weabi dont disagree it was a problem but in wow, they're so careful to not make stuff better it's like.. not even exciting getting new gear
15:28.38Amadeo_CH was amazing :)
15:28.47TainYeah, overpowerdly so.
15:29.01weabch was stupid
15:29.03TainThe rest of the game spiraled out of control, yet a single level 39 spell could keep up?
15:29.32Amadeo_I can see CH getting more overpowered as the game went on, but in Kunark time it wasn't like CH made people always win
15:29.35TainThey should have bit the bullet and capped it with Kunark, and gave new ones.
15:29.50TainCH breastplate didn't prove that?  
15:30.30weabyou're looking at it wrong Amadeo_
15:30.34TainOh yeah, they changed that quick once people realized 4 clerics with a CH bp could keep any tank healed without spending mana, forever.
15:30.37weabit forced the spell into a staple
15:30.41Amadeo_I imagine they designed the content around what's already in game rather than adjusting the spell for the content
15:30.52TainBut they didn't.
15:31.02TainOf course it doesn't matter now.  
15:31.06Amadeo_CH still pulls extreme aggro
15:31.28Amadeo_and you couldn't zerg bosses when I played EQ
15:31.31Amadeo_because the zones would just crash
15:31.31TainBut I do believe firmly that Brad McQuaid never would have allowed all that, and it was a sure sign that he wasn't calling the shots anymore.
15:31.32Amadeo_haha
15:31.43Amadeo_eh
15:31.49Amadeo_Couldn't stand Brad, personally
15:32.10TainDidn't care about his personality, but he actually had a vision for the game and enforced it.
15:32.13Amadeo_Too elitist and full of himself
15:32.15Amadeo_Yeah
15:32.18Amadeo_Which is good and bad
15:32.21Amadeo_he wouldn't listen to anyone
15:32.22Amadeo_haha
15:32.24CairennMcQuaid is actually a pretty decent guy
15:32.25TainAnd in my opinion it was good for the game.
15:32.36Amadeo_I dunno
15:32.43TainAs soon as he left it was just give players anything they wanted.
15:32.45Amadeo_Rogues were the worst class in the game, and he wanted to keep it that way
15:33.22Cairennmind you, I'm talking face to face, so /shrug
15:33.22TainEhn that's a matter of opinion.
15:33.22Amadeo_Tain: Early EQ Rogues? I don't think it's an opinion thing :)
15:33.22Amadeo_I'm talking pre-evade, pre-double BS
15:33.22TainPlease.  Early every EQ class.
15:33.22Amadeo_No no
15:33.28Amadeo_When there were 3 Rogues per server, because they were worthless
15:33.37TainThat's just not true.
15:33.42Amadeo_Sure it is, at level 50
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15:33.57TainOf course the first three classes to level 50 were Rogue, Rogue, Cleric.
15:33.57Amadeo_best item in the game, and they backstabbed for 110
15:34.04TainNo one hit hard.
15:34.08Amadeo_they had the least damage and survivability in the game
15:34.18Amadeo_and no traps or anything really existed
15:34.24TainOi ok that's some revisionist history.
15:34.33[MoonWolf]what are we talking about ?
15:34.40Cairenneq
15:34.43[MoonWolf]ah
15:35.10Amadeo_Tain: I'm responsible for the addition of Evade to Rogues, I spent a lot of time with Smedley on the class :P
15:35.28[MoonWolf]you bastard
15:35.57[MoonWolf]your the reason hunters never kill rogues close range
15:36.01TainMind you I never wanted to play a Rogue.  Of course I never wanted to play most classes.  WoW is the first game to do a Rogue in the way I like.
15:36.08NeronixIs it possible to make a pattern that only matches the second last occurrence of a number?
15:36.12Amadeo_[MoonWolf]: (Everquest)
15:36.12[MoonWolf]even if we are doing well, they rogue simply activates evade.
15:36.14[MoonWolf]ah
15:36.16Amadeo_hehe
15:36.17[MoonWolf]never said athing.
15:36.23Neronixactually, nvm
15:36.30NeronixI'll just switch to deformat >.>
15:36.36Amadeo_Tain: To be honest, I wanted small Rogue changes and they ended up overpowering them
15:36.39[MoonWolf]Neronix, in regular regex sure. but like in lua, not a clue.
15:36.48Amadeo_Double backstab and assassinate, bleh
15:36.55Amadeo_it's a great *cool* factor, but too much
15:37.08TainThat's exactly what EQ became.
15:37.11Amadeo_Yeah
15:37.19Amadeo_Except for the graphics :(
15:37.22Amadeo_God-awful
15:37.29NeronixAre WoW rogues fun at 60?
15:37.30TainGive people cool things so they'll pay money.  And the overall game suffered greatly (in my opinion!) because of it.
15:37.38TainThey are to me, Neronix.
15:37.40Amadeo_Neronix: I think Stealth in general is fun at 60
15:37.51NeronixPvE wise?
15:37.52TainRogue is my favorite WoW class, actually.
15:38.04TainDefinitely PvE.
15:38.07TainI don't PvP much.
15:38.12NeronixOk, thanks
15:38.16Amadeo_Tain: I refuse to play EQ2, even if it were the best game available (which it isn't), just based on Sony's marketing strategy
15:38.19Neronixguess my next alt's gonna be a rogue
15:38.28[MoonWolf]rogues are a fun wow class indeed, but the last 20 lvl's to 60 are slightly redudant nothing really changes for you
15:38.36NeronixAmadeo_: /pizza -_-
15:38.37[MoonWolf]only the amount of damage you deal.
15:38.41Amadeo_Neronix: rofl
15:38.43TainThere was one thing in EQ2 I loved.  I never played, but I love the idea of critical tradeskill failures that can kill you.
15:38.53[MoonWolf]they could KILL you ?
15:38.58Amadeo_hm
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15:39.02Amadeo_I was never killed by em
15:39.03[MoonWolf]not fun.
15:39.04Amadeo_I was damaged
15:39.04TainAt least in beta, I don't know if that is still the case.
15:39.12Amadeo_but I was just a chef :(
15:39.15TainThat appeals to me greatly.
15:39.25Tain"I think I'll make an omelette.  AAAAAH!"
15:39.27[MoonWolf]hmm, alchemists might have less fun.
15:39.28Amadeo_hahah
15:39.40Tainhaha yeah well I was a Shaman in EQ.  Don't talk to me about Alchemy. :)
15:39.43Amadeo_I can't believe how many things they try to charge the player with, though
15:40.03Amadeo_There's about 10 different charges just when you install the game, that you can choose to pay for or not
15:40.14[MoonWolf]hthey alrady have 1 expansion out for eq2 and second one is comming
15:40.23Amadeo_and that doesn't include "adventure packs" which are free content in other games that you have to pay for in EQ2
15:40.28weabhonestly though
15:40.35TainOne thing I like that EQ did, although not *necessarily* that they did it right, was adding new classes.
15:40.36weabthat's the one thing i liked about sony
15:40.41TainScrew new races.
15:40.48[MoonWolf]so the stuff wow would get in patches you have to pay for in EQ too ?
15:41.01weabpumping out a lot of content
15:41.11weabblizzard is way way too slow with the new content
15:41.27TainNah.
15:41.28Amadeo_[MoonWolf]: In a sense...SoE charges money for "Adventure Packs" which are like...say another instance within a certain instance, as well as expansions, which are familiar
15:41.32weabyes
15:41.34weabthey are
15:41.35TainIt's just that people have become far too impatient.
15:41.43TainEverything's a now now now world.
15:41.50weabnot so much
15:41.52TainWoW's levelling is too quick, so it makes it feel worse.
15:42.12Amadeo_I'd rather wait for good content than to get a buggy mess like we got in EQ so often
15:42.23weabi'd rather have a compromise
15:42.27TainAck
15:42.33[MoonWolf]i like the wow rate.
15:42.35hasteYou know what sucks about SoE ?
15:42.38TainI'd never compromise on quality content if I had the choice.
15:42.39hastethey made Infantry pay2play
15:42.43Amadeo_haha
15:42.47Amadeo_they make EVERYTHING pay to play
15:42.56hasteit so killed the community for that game
15:42.58TainThey just want people to buy the Station Pass.
15:43.07Amadeo_Tain: They have more charges than that though, it's insane
15:43.17Amadeo_Station Pass is just access, they have so many more charges
15:43.20haste"OMG IF YOU BUY INFANTRY NOW YOU GET TWO FUCKING RETARDED GAMES WITH A EXTRA COST!"
15:43.32TainAh I dunno, haven't played any of them since EQ.
15:43.44TainOh I did play EQ:Online Adventures for the PS2 briefly.  
15:43.47Amadeo_hah
15:44.35Amadeo_I guess what I hate most about EQ2
15:44.39Amadeo_is the fact that it's not really EverQuest
15:44.42NeronixBah, Sony has a reputation for abusing the consumer
15:44.47Amadeo_it's the same "world", and everything else was changed
15:44.53Neronixrootkit, ps3 price, EQ :P
15:45.02TainEver try doing a "quest" in EverQuest?  :)
15:45.17TainHail!  
15:45.18Amadeo_not to mention...EQ2 is instanced like Guild Wars is, even the damn TOWNS are instanced like Guild Wars...yet you have to pay all this for EQ2 and GW is free? pfft
15:45.26TainWhat turtle
15:45.27TainWhat meat
15:45.29TainWhat sword
15:45.37Amadeo_Hail, a_tain_00!
15:45.53Amadeo_Tain executes hail.txt
15:46.36Amadeo_You guys ever play on the EQ Test server?  Everyone there was elitist, and the funny thing is, they were all cheaters
15:46.41hasteyou know.. that stopped me from palying EQ2
15:47.03TainI didn't, but I saw the influx of people transferring off of Test after they bitched about being wiped.
15:47.07Amadeo_They used to talk badly about public servers, and how it took twice the amount of people to kill bosses on those servers than it did on Test
15:47.09TainDespite the fact that it was stated from day 1.
15:47.15hasteit was like: hmm I need to go to the other side of town. *walks* *loading 30sec* *walks* *loading 30 sec* *walks* *loading 30 sec*
15:47.18Amadeo_Well, the fact is, Test players always cheated :)
15:47.35Amadeo_Tain: Yep, the wipe was so good for Test
15:47.39Amadeo_The server was worthless
15:47.54Amadeo_You guys remember Kendrick?
15:48.00Amadeo_Another Rogue tester
15:48.29TainYeah
15:48.31Amadeo_I was on a Hate run with his guild, and the GMs decided to make a weapon for him since it was his birthday...it was better than anything available in game...how's that help you test? :)
15:48.55TainHah well they learned their lesson from putting absurd things IN game from Inte's Sword
15:49.24NeronixAnyone ever played RO? THAT was fucked up
15:49.32Amadeo_I also think it's funny that Furor works for Blizzard now, after he was banned multiple times in EQ for exploiting/using game hacks :P
15:49.37[MoonWolf]RO is fun, on private servers anyway
15:49.44NeronixTrue
15:49.53TainLet's give an absurdly overpowered weapon to an npc and make it drop from him since no one will ever beat him!
15:49.59NeronixThat's why I always played on one, and at one point was staff of one
15:50.14TainIt's a business decision to hire Furor.  Keep him on the payroll, keep him from badmouthing the game in public.
15:50.16[MoonWolf]RO on normal servers isnt worth it.
15:50.23[MoonWolf]its fun becasuse of the absurd levels and items.
15:50.29Amadeo_haha
15:50.36Amadeo_See, the thing is
15:50.40NeronixYeah, cards are the most imba thing ever
15:50.44Amadeo_Early EQ was so good because it had the best community
15:50.53Amadeo_Nobody had a better player base than early EQ
15:50.57TainDespite everything a lot of people took Furor's (Kalaran, Kartik) as gospel.
15:51.07Amadeo_Most people were mature, not as many kids in the game (though of course, some)
15:51.18Amadeo_WoW is all kids
15:51.31Amadeo_The mindset to defeat things is Zerg
15:51.33[MoonWolf]After playing on a rp server i never looked back.
15:51.49TainThat's why it was a good decision to limit raids to 40.
15:51.54Amadeo_In EQ, since servers crashed if you had too many people in a zone, you had to figure out how to beat bosses
15:51.55Amadeo_haha
15:52.02TainBecause people can't be trusted to have responsible raids.
15:52.06Amadeo_Yeah
15:52.06[MoonWolf]even though i sometimes really dont WANT to rp, ill rather rp and know someone is enoying themselves for exchange of at least 50% sane and normal people on a server.
15:52.12NeronixRP servers would be great, but I don't want to live the game, only play it :P
15:52.29Amadeo_RPing is fun, but I get tired of it
15:52.33Amadeo_I can't keep it going forever
15:52.50TainEQ zones would crash from a lot more than just a lot of people.  Crash Plane of Fear on demand early on.
15:53.00Amadeo_yeah, haha
15:53.02[MoonWolf]same here, i like rp in moderation, but like i said, id rather rp at times and have that better community then suffer the regular pvp servers.
15:53.16Amadeo_Tain: Do you remember the early EQ high level favoritism?
15:53.31TainWhat do you mean?
15:54.15Amadeo_Well, in early EQ, Brad said they would not restore items or characters no matter *what*
15:54.29Amadeo_Then he started restoring items and lost characters for level 50's
15:54.34Amadeo_and saying no to anyone under 50
15:54.57TainOh yeah.  And tried to keep it quiet.
15:54.57Amadeo_People went nuts over it
15:54.57Amadeo_yeah
15:55.08[MoonWolf]why is restoring items an issue
15:55.11Amadeo_I mean, I think it's great that they didn't restore stuff in all circumstances like they do in WoW
15:55.16[MoonWolf]people lost them on a regular basis ?
15:55.20Amadeo_But when your corpse goes under the world...
15:55.28TainThere were bugs that caused items to poof.
15:55.32Amadeo_Early EQ was severely buggy
15:55.33Amadeo_Yep
15:55.35TainFor example loot something if you had a full inventory.
15:55.38TainPoof.
15:55.48[MoonWolf]eeeuh, GLARING GAMEBREAKING BUG.
15:56.04Amadeo_I got into a fight with Brad once in emails, but he finally restored an item for me :P
15:56.10[MoonWolf]i never once lost a wow item
15:56.26[MoonWolf]wow even has an overflow buffer should you somehow end up with more items in your inventory then it can handle
15:56.41Amadeo_The good thing was...everyone at Verant loved EQ, and they wanted to make it a great game...they cared about the game more than they cared about the money
15:56.41TainI've lost a few items in emails testing item collecting addons.
15:56.45Amadeo_and now, it's all about the money
15:57.01TainEQ had so many item and money dupe bugs it was scary.
15:57.10TainAnd simple, simple ones.
15:57.11Amadeo_I used to be friends with Tigole, he won't even talk to me now :/
15:57.20Amadeo_Money talks
15:57.37TainYeah well I was once personally trained by Furor (back when he was Kalaran) in SolB.
15:57.47Amadeo_hahah
15:58.00Amadeo_I knew the FoH peeps back in beta, and they were elitist back then too :)
15:58.01TainHe didn't like where our group set up so he had an ogre block a pass and trained kobolds on us.
15:58.19[MoonWolf]http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?FN=wow-general&T=8333849 <- cool
15:58.27TainYeah, playing on EQ on Veeshan with FoH was fun.  Really.
15:58.30Amadeo_Tain: I'm guilty of training Sand Giants on people I didn't like :(
15:58.36[MoonWolf]lol
15:58.46TainOur entire guild jumped to Saryrn when they had the server move.
15:58.49[MoonWolf]peopl do that in all kinds of games.
15:59.09Amadeo_[MoonWolf]: It was so easy to do in EQ
15:59.23Amadeo_it's much harder in WoW, and it was almost impossible in DAoC
15:59.23[MoonWolf]range agro ?
15:59.26Amadeo_Yeah
15:59.30Tainheh EQ was just silly.  Run past someone and they'd attack.
15:59.43[MoonWolf]wows monsters go , agro wipe return to station when they lose combat
15:59.50Amadeo_and they just so happened to put high level mobs in low level areas
15:59.55[MoonWolf]smart
16:00.00TainOh yeah that drove me nuts.
16:00.10Amadeo_Spectres and Sand Giants in Oasis
16:00.14TainHow the hell do you have level 35 creatures wandering newbie areas.
16:00.26TainGiants and Griffons in East commons!
16:00.29Amadeo_hahaha
16:00.30weabi dunno i thought it was kinda neat
16:00.32weabpersonally
16:00.32Amadeo_I died so often to Griffons
16:00.45weabyou had to be careful
16:00.58weaband it made you actually afraid of something
16:01.04Amadeo_I hate to say it, but I loved EQ, I still think it was the most fun MMOG available (pre-SoE), and I even like it more than WoW in a lot of ways
16:01.34TainI don't like it better than WoW as a game in any way.  But I'll never get to recreate some of the first-time experiences I had with EQ.
16:01.57Amadeo_I like the "mundaneness" that people complained about
16:02.06Amadeo_It wasn't mundane to me, it was just time consuming and harder
16:02.07TainKilling a dragon in EQ for the first time is just incomparible to killing any boss in WoW.
16:02.09Amadeo_it weeded out the kiddies from playing
16:02.23Amadeo_Absolutely
16:02.46Amadeo_I think DAoC PvP was the best, too, so... :P
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16:03.05TainThe camping spawns, killing something dozens of times hoping for a drop you need, everything else... forget it.
16:03.14TainRagefire spawn!  Everyone to SolB!
16:03.19Amadeo_haha
16:03.32Amadeo_I think the worst was 6-12 hour corpse runs :P
16:03.51Amadeo_Knowing your corpse is working its way on vanishing
16:03.54TainI used to randomly say in gc, "Lodizal up!"  "Just kidding."
16:03.59Amadeo_haha
16:05.05Amadeo_I still feel like you had to work together more
16:05.12Amadeo_a bad group in WoW is bad, but it still works
16:05.17Amadeo_it just didn't work in EQ
16:05.19TainAnd a single person being able to steal a kill from entire groups reliably, that was great.
16:05.46Amadeo_haha yeah
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16:06.20TainOh and don't use your DoT spells or else you'll poof what you're killing and no loot for anyone.
16:06.55Amadeo_rofl, I forgot about a lot of these
16:07.10Amadeo_I remember the Monk Feign/Disarm exploit
16:07.17Amadeo_people were stealing Staves of Discord
16:09.24Elkanowho was the author of NanoStats?
16:09.26hastehaha, I found a off-hand
16:09.31hastewith the size of a staff
16:09.47Amadeo_Elkano: Neronix
16:10.07TainOh yeah, Disarm was great because originally you actually took the weapon.  Was hell in duels.
16:10.17Amadeo_yeah, haha
16:10.20Amadeo_or
16:10.25Amadeo_even when they fixed it
16:10.31Amadeo_disarming people with a full inventory meant, bye weapon
16:10.33Amadeo_haha
16:10.36TainYep
16:10.54TainOf course players in WoW couldn't handle being a Monk.
16:11.02TainWhat?  I can't carry ANYTHING?
16:11.02Amadeo_I want a Monk in WoW *SO* bad
16:11.05Amadeo_I loved Monks
16:11.20weabmonk is the only reason i played tht game for as long as i did
16:11.21Ratbert_CP[MoonWolf]: You idjit...
16:11.36weabfd pulling was an artform.
16:11.44weabraids must have sucked being any other class
16:11.47TainI had a 30 Monk but never got past that.
16:12.18TainAlong with a 51 Warrior for perpetual Vox raids
16:12.41TainAnd a 40something Bard that I disowned after twisting for a while.
16:13.10Amadeo_Twisting was awful
16:13.20Amadeo_Have to hand it to good Bards
16:13.24Amadeo_that class was a bitch to play
16:13.29TainBut my main was a Shaman.  The best was before Kunark when you were max exp at 50 you could die over and over again without showing any exp loss.
16:13.43TainA good Bard in EQ was one of the best players in the game, bar none.
16:13.48Amadeo_I agree
16:13.54Amadeo_Amelia on Test has my love forever
16:14.24Amadeo_She could pull anything from within Karnors Castle (this was when Kunark was the new expansion), to the moats
16:14.35Amadeo_with full spawns ujp
16:14.39Amadeo_up
16:14.54TainNow a good puller could pull in Hate without getting a late pet train with half the zone on you. :)
16:15.26Amadeo_haha
16:15.32TainWhich was one of the examples of "fixes" they did that made me realize they were giving up.  Problems with pet pathing?  Ehn.. get rid of the pets.
16:15.42Amadeo_Which plane was it where if you went too high up on the ceiling, you'd aggro through it and wipe?
16:15.50TainHate would do that.
16:15.59Amadeo_Hate had the Maestro and all?
16:16.02Amadeo_I forget the damn names
16:16.06TainYep
16:16.10Amadeo_Yeah, that was it :)
16:16.12Tainand ah.. Innoruuk?
16:16.14Amadeo_right
16:16.25Amadeo_I've seen so many Innoruk's in WoW (spelled something like that)
16:16.42Wobin_goddamn ghost sailor quest in wetlands =P
16:16.46Amadeo_They always spell it wrong
16:16.52Amadeo_Wobin_: It's awful
16:17.00TainOh haha actually I just remembered what is quite possibly my favorite pull in any game I've ever seen.
16:17.13TainPlane of Fear, pulling the building full of Shadowknight creatures.
16:17.25TainSomeone was eating 20 Harm Touches.
16:17.25Amadeo_rofl
16:17.36Amadeo_Hey! Do you remember Ranadin?
16:17.48TainNot sure.
16:18.01Amadeo_The Shadowknight guild leader of The Dark Exile, he won that whole PvP contest that Verant held in the arena
16:18.08TainOh ok right
16:18.16Amadeo_He was my guild leader for a while, hahah
16:18.25Amadeo_That guy...would get everyone together for a raid
16:18.32Amadeo_Go to the dungeon, go afk until it was over
16:18.37Amadeo_and take all the loot for himself
16:18.39Amadeo_rofl
16:18.46Amadeo_every single time
16:18.51Amadeo_Ranadin *always* afk'd
16:18.55Amadeo_and he'd be gone for hours
16:18.57TainWe had a monk who'd come to a raid, find somewhere to hide and fd (like inside a firepot)
16:19.20TainAnd just collect loot.  But it was so funny I didn't care.
16:19.23Amadeo_hahah
16:19.33TainOh actually hahah he won the Monk Best of the Best on our server one year.
16:19.40Amadeo_See, EQ, bringing people together since..um, when did it come out? :)
16:19.58TainBut they forced him to change his name because they wouldn't award it publically to, "Thewong"
16:20.08Amadeo_hahah
16:20.16TainSince his name was Thewong Eyedsnake but had already had his last name stripped.
16:20.27Wobin_rofl
16:20.28CIA-1703neronix * r1818 10NanoStats/ (Changelog.txt NanoStats.lua Readme.txt): NanoStats - Fixed TabletLib related error (Yay for local abuse!)
16:20.31Amadeo_I miss last names :(
16:20.36Amadeo_I wanted one in WoW
16:20.40TainSo they changed his name just for the announcement to Quikk.  didn't even give him a choice
16:20.50TainAnd then right after changed it to Thwong.
16:20.57TainHe was so angry.  
16:21.00TainHe never got over it.
16:21.00hastehmm, I should update my idChat :p
16:21.05Amadeo_and not a horrible implementation like Asheron's Call last names, where you had to type the entire name out and a comma
16:21.08hastestill running 1.9 version ^^;
16:21.22TainYeah well I remember having to petition a GM to get a last name.
16:21.44Amadeo_haha
16:21.45Amadeo_yeah
16:21.50Amadeo_those were the days
16:23.05Amadeo_Anyway
16:23.20Amadeo_I need a Fury spec for my Warrior, because I'm bored with MS...yet I'm afraid to spec Fury, because MS debuff is so amazing
16:24.57TainI'm working on a high-poison using spec for a Rogue right now for fun.
16:25.11cladhairelol
16:25.17cladhairei wish we could be DoT rogues
16:25.20cladhairebut its not easy to spec.
16:26.46TainNah it's not.
16:27.37Amadeo_I'm convinced that the only reliable way to stop a Druid flag carrier in WSG is to get a nice MS on em so they can't heal or get heals as you beat them halfway across the zone
16:27.52TainMay 30 is Steak Day!  
16:28.03Amadeo_Steak Day?
16:29.14CIA-1703cladhaire * r1819 10/branches/Clique/ (5 files in 2 dirs): Clique: Moved templates out to CliqueTemplates.lua, and cleaned up some old stuff.
16:30.01Amadeo_I have some nice ribeye in the basement
16:32.08NeronixWTB French speaker
16:32.43Amadeo_http://www.google.com/language_tools?hl=en
16:32.45Amadeo_muhaha
16:32.46Amadeo_:P
16:32.51Amadeo_I know, I know, don't say it
16:33.22NeronixThat's what I initially used
16:33.29Neronixbut it turns out it's much worse than I thought
16:33.53Amadeo_Yeah, it helps you "get by", but it's pretty bad
16:34.32Amadeo_since stuff just doesn't directly translate from one language to another, you have to interpret
16:39.04ElkanoI used to have French at school, but that was 8 years ago :/
16:41.17Amadeo_Neronix: Do you need a lot translated?
16:43.44Elkano@Amadeo_: <Neronix> 6 phrases and 2 words
16:44.19Amadeo_oh
16:44.20Amadeo_haha
16:44.29Amadeo_msg me them, I'll see what I can find for ya
16:45.44ElkanoAmadeo_: http://svn.wowace.com/filedetails.php?repname=Ace+SVN&path=%2Ftrunk%2FNanoStats%2FNanoStatsLocals.lua
16:46.53Amadeo_happen to have any links that don't take 15 years?
16:46.55Amadeo_ooooooohhhh
16:46.56Amadeo_:)
16:47.17Amadeo_aw man
16:47.19Amadeo_that one is fast :(
16:47.56*** join/#wowace Neronix (i=neronix@user-3364.l5.c3.dsl.pol.co.uk)
16:48.02NeronixGYARGGHHHH
16:48.07Neronixsplit second power cut!
16:48.11Neronix20 mins work lost!
16:49.11Neronixwait, only 2 mins work lost... >.>
16:50.19Elkanostill having the locals or shall I resent?
16:50.30NeronixStill got them
16:50.35Elkanok :)
16:51.44Elkanoand I'll be leaving for firefighters now :) l8erz :)
16:53.10[MoonWolf]Ratbert_CP, what did i do ?
17:06.17Amadeo_so how many of you guys play WoW through some sort of *nix?
17:07.24[MoonWolf]i played it on suse 1.10 using cedega.
17:07.29[MoonWolf]back to windows thoguh
17:07.36Gngskdamn windows :\
17:07.38Amadeo_any problems?
17:07.44[MoonWolf]not really
17:07.50[MoonWolf]nothing game breaking
17:08.01[MoonWolf]i could not play wow sound and my own music at the same time though.
17:16.11Wobin_Who wanted someone who spoke French?
17:16.38Wobin_Shouryuu on wowi-lounge has helped me before with french localisatoin
17:16.53[MoonWolf]neronix ? only guessing.
17:19.50Wobin_Amadeo_:
17:19.59Wobin_oh no, Nero
17:20.05Wobin_oh well
17:26.29Ratbert_CP[MoonWolf]: Sorry for my own AFK-ishness, but your latest release of Mendeleev has an extra folder in the path (i.e., mendeleev-1.7/mendeleev/...)
17:26.38[MoonWolf]oh
17:26.39[MoonWolf]yeah
17:26.42[MoonWolf]someone told me already
17:26.44[MoonWolf]sorry for that
17:26.49Ratbert_CPKind of annoying to have to move it... :)
17:27.19[MoonWolf]7.2 wont do it
17:27.21[MoonWolf]promise
17:27.51[MoonWolf]lol
17:28.07Wobin_RAtty. I can help test BB if you have the time =)
17:29.08Ratbert_CPWobin_: I don't have 100% available time (I am at work after all), but I'd be more than happy to have your help.
17:42.58Amadeo_The new WoW races seem so unbalanced
17:43.27Amadeo_Due to racials, that is
17:43.52Amadeo_So Draenei gets 50 health over 15 seconds for a main racial
17:44.46Amadeo_and Blood Elves silence all enemies within 8 yards for 2 seconds, and gain 20 energy/mana/rage for each mana tap (which stacks up to 3 times and drains 50 mana from your target)
17:44.50Amadeo_Hmmmmmmmm
17:45.30Amadeo_Imagine being a Blood Elf Warrior and taking an instant 60 Rage from an Enemy, pfft, game over for them
17:45.34[MoonWolf]that better scale or its nothign but a AoE silnce with a lot of hassle
17:45.45Amadeo_depends on the class
17:45.49Amadeo_for Rogue and Warrior, it's Godmode
17:46.21Amadeo_only 2 minute cooldown, too
17:48.45cladhaireYeah, but requires a minimum of a 1.5 minute setup
17:48.59Amadeo_why? what's the cooldown on Mana Tap?
17:49.00cladhaireYou can't mana tap a non-mana using mob either
17:49.02cladhaire30 seconds
17:49.14Amadeo_even so, 20 rage/energy is huge, and that would be instant
17:49.31cladhaireso you need three mana users that will let you walk up to them to tap them.. THEN you can use the AOE silence to gain the 60 rage
17:49.33Amadeo_I'm talking about PvP, I don't care too much about PvE balance, hehe
17:49.38cladhaireso am I
17:49.47cladhaireits like people complaining about Cold Blood, or other cooldowns
17:49.57cladhaireyeah a rogue or a mage can whoop your ass in 3 seconds.. every 5 minutes.
17:50.00Amadeo_eh?
17:50.06Amadeo_Rogue and Warrior are melee-range classes
17:50.10Amadeo_they're going to be in melee range always
17:50.12Amadeo_or they're not fighting
17:50.40cladhaire.. yeah I know that.. whats your point?
17:50.47cladhairelol
17:50.49Amadeo_Well, you said someone has to let them walk up
17:50.50Amadeo_well
17:50.50cladhaireIts not as easy as you think it'll be.
17:50.54Amadeo_they're melee, so it happens all the time
17:50.59Amadeo_or else Rogues and Warriors wouldn't kill anyone, right? :P
17:51.14[MoonWolf]Wait, rogues can kill stuff now ?
17:51.18cladhaireYes, but then they have to survive that fight
17:51.22Amadeo_I'mc onfused
17:51.23cladhaireits not 1,2,3 60 Rage woot.
17:51.30Amadeo_You're not forced to stack mana tap 3 times
17:51.34[MoonWolf]its still alot of set up.
17:51.34Amadeo_You can just do it once if you want
17:51.36Amadeo_right?
17:51.41Amadeo_it's optional
17:51.55cladhaireyes you can do it once
17:52.08Amadeo_so why would it take so much time?
17:52.14Amadeo_I could run up to someone as a Warrior and do it whenever
17:52.22cladhaireis it better than most racials currently in the game?  yes.
17:52.35Amadeo_To get 60, I agree it would take a while
17:52.43Amadeo_(Three Mana Taps)
17:52.53[MoonWolf]i think, presonally, its interesting but not imba.
17:52.57cladhaireeven a single tap + arcane torment.. during that time you'r enot attacking
17:53.08cladhairewarlock will fear you, mage will blink, etc.
17:53.09Amadeo_do they have cast times?
17:53.15cladhaireno, but they activate the global cooldown
17:53.40Amadeo_there's a lot of white damage swings on my Warrior against most classes
17:53.45Amadeo_so it wouldn't be bad
17:53.54Amadeo_because I'm trying to get that rage!
17:53.59Amadeo_hehe
17:54.03cladhairecharge + cooldown + mana tap + cooldown
17:54.14cladhaireif the caster is sitting there.. they're stupid and have something else to worry about.
17:54.30Amadeo_but it's more than just the energy
17:54.36cladhaireand considering you can only tap the mana users.. shaman and paladins will likely be tapped more than anyone
17:54.37Amadeo_the cooldowns are negated by the silence
17:54.53cladhaireno, they're not.. thats my point.. no one shoudl be standing within range by the time you're able to cast it.
17:55.00[MoonWolf]Silence wont do you good for rogues or warriors.
17:55.17Amadeo_I don't get why you keep saying that, because they're instants
17:55.26Amadeo_I can charge and hit an instant before you can get away
17:55.28cladhaireglobal cooldown
17:55.35cladhaireyou have to hit TWO instants.
17:55.40Amadeo_yeah
17:55.41cladhairethats a full three seconds.
17:55.49Amadeo_Charge + Hamstring is first :P
17:55.52Amadeo_everyone deals with cooldowns
17:55.54cladhaireonly one of which they're stunned- in ideal circumstances.
17:55.57Amadeo_I'm not gonna be the only one using them
17:55.57cladhaire*sigh*
17:56.05cladhairehave you ever played anything other than a warrior in PVP?
17:56.06cladhairelol
17:56.09Amadeo_Yeah
17:56.12cladhaireBlink.. out of range
17:56.13Amadeo_I have a 60 Warlock and 60 Priest
17:56.20cladhaireFear/DeathCoil/Psychic Scream, etc.
17:56.25cladhairewhoops.. you can't silence me now.
17:56.30Amadeo_there are counters for all of those
17:56.37cladhaire.. not that you can use and strill get the spell off.
17:56.39Amadeo_well, maybe not DC, but it'll resist :P
17:56.59cladhaireFear yes, it won't likely get off.
17:57.01Amadeo_Charge - Hamstring - Break Fear with Berserker, Intercept
17:57.17cladhaireIts not as easy as you think.
17:57.19cladhaire*shrug*
17:57.21weabnews flash: theorycraft sucks. let the damn thing come out and then decide
17:57.22cladhairewe can agree to disagree
17:57.25cladhaireits NOT an IWin button
17:57.30[MoonWolf]i think actually that arcane torrent is outperforemed in usefullness by warstomp
17:57.35Amadeo_I think it is :)
17:57.38cladhaire[MoonWolf]: I agree
17:57.42Amadeo_Warstomp is nice, but it's not that great
17:57.46cladhaire....
17:57.54kergothwar stomp has saved my ass more times than i can count
17:57.56kergothmorning all
17:57.58cladhairewow.
17:57.58[MoonWolf]its a STUN a great spell interupter.
17:58.02Amadeo_yeah
17:58.04[MoonWolf]morning all
17:58.06cladhaireStun > Silence.
17:58.06Amadeo_trinket kills stun
17:58.11Amadeo_so it's pointless
17:58.24cladhaireAmadeo_: You're talking in your perfect world.. it never really works like that.
17:58.26Amadeo_You can't stop a silence
17:58.27[MoonWolf]yes, but a stun effects everthing, a silence only effects casters
17:58.42cladhaireWill a BloodElf have an advantage against CASTERS in PVP.. yes.. a slight advantage.
17:58.50cladhairebut only rogues and warriors.
17:58.52[MoonWolf]on top of that, warstomp is a straight forward effect, no hassle.
17:59.07cladhaireIts no more imba that WoTF
17:59.08Amadeo_I would imagine you can take Rage from another Warrior as a Blood Elf too
17:59.14cladhaireWell, you're wrong.
17:59.15cladhaireits mana.
17:59.17cladhaire=)
17:59.20cladhaireI've seen it in action
17:59.26Amadeo_So it converts all Mana to Rage and Energy?
17:59.27[MoonWolf]this ability is tied to their magic addiction
17:59.33[MoonWolf]they dont do rage or energy or focus.
17:59.35cladhaireYou can onloy MANA tap casters..
17:59.41cladhaireyou get the bonus back as whatever your energy is.
17:59.43cladhairebut you can only tap casters.
17:59.44[MoonWolf]this is how they get high on magic
17:59.59Amadeo_That makes it a bit easier on my mind then
18:00.03cladhaireand last time I checked in PVP, as much as the warriors like to 1v1 the casters-- that rarely happens.
18:00.05cladhaire=)
18:00.14cladhaireat least as a druid, I do my best to stop that from happening.
18:00.50Amadeo_It would be awesome as a Priest too
18:00.52Amadeo_can you be a BE Priest?
18:01.09cladhaireI believe so
18:01.12[MoonWolf]yes
18:01.16[MoonWolf]be have all casters
18:01.20Amadeo_I see
18:01.52Amadeo_Silence effects Warriors for a few things
18:01.54Amadeo_Shouts, for example
18:02.03Amadeo_dunno bout Rogues
18:02.07cladhairedoes affect rogues worth a damn
18:02.17cladhairemight stop us from "exposing armor" or somethign stupid =)
18:02.25Amadeo_haha
18:02.34Amadeo_expose armor helps on Warriors!
18:02.38cladhaire...
18:02.43[MoonWolf]expose armor would be graet in raids
18:02.45cladhaireoh.. you mean helps against warriors =)
18:02.47Amadeo_yeah
18:02.50[MoonWolf]if it stacked
18:02.53cladhairewe are forced to take expose armor off our bars
18:02.56cladhaireso no one hits it on accident.
18:03.06[MoonWolf]i dont even have rank2
18:03.09cladhaire=)
18:03.10Amadeo_This Rogue pissed me off in Uldaman...he used Expose Armor and then my Sunders wouldn't work :(
18:03.14Amadeo_so I couldn't get any aggro
18:03.25[MoonWolf]if only it stacked
18:03.27cladhaireI bought them all, but I just use DoTS against heavy armor.
18:03.27Amadeo_on the boss :(
18:04.00Ratbert_CPsvn.wowace.com web interface is down?
18:04.23[MoonWolf]clad, imp rupture ?
18:04.48cladhaireRatbert_CP: Yeah looks lik ethe SVN is down for a bit
18:04.48cladhaire*shrug*
18:05.00cladhaire[MoonWolf]: No, i'm combat swords, bt if i could be a DoT rogue i would
18:05.05cladhairebut the spec is all over the place.
18:05.10cladhairedeep assas, deep sublety.. and even that sucks.
18:05.35[MoonWolf]rogues have a problems, all trees are viable
18:06.08weabthats a problem?
18:06.12cladhaireeah
18:06.13cladhaireyeah
18:06.15[MoonWolf]in a way
18:06.18cladhairethere's NO good mix-and-match
18:06.22cladhaireexcept Prep + somethign else.
18:06.27cladhairenothing else worth going down to
18:06.29[MoonWolf]for instance the cooky cutter is spread over 3 trees.
18:06.47weabi don't so much see any problem with rog talents
18:06.55weabminor things to fix
18:06.59cladhaireSeal Fate takes 30 points, any of the wep specs take 25-30 points
18:07.09cladhairethere's no "Heart of the Wild" + Nature's Swiftness
18:07.28[MoonWolf]the weapon specs arnt that good. the posions suck, the end talents in those trees are good though
18:07.36cladhaireAdren Rush is okay
18:07.40cladhairei hate the cooldown, too high imo
18:07.41[MoonWolf]subtelty is the best tree overall.
18:07.53[MoonWolf]but i love combat because its more my thing
18:07.59[MoonWolf]if only hemo could be in combat.
18:08.06[MoonWolf]i would be totally content then.
18:08.13cladhaireSetup is a joke
18:08.28[MoonWolf]setup should be exchanged with cold blood.
18:08.30[MoonWolf]hehe
18:08.32[MoonWolf]not really
18:08.38cladhairei dont like cold blood
18:08.42cladhaireseal fate is the best talent we have
18:08.45[MoonWolf]wit has its uses.
18:08.47[MoonWolf]it*
18:09.02cladhairei dojnt like relying on cooldown talents for anything
18:09.09[MoonWolf]true
18:09.16cladhairebut thats just me
18:09.17[MoonWolf]im currently hemo combat.
18:09.21[MoonWolf]weirdest build EVER.
18:09.24cladhaireheheh
18:09.25cladhaireagreed
18:09.43[MoonWolf]But fun though
18:10.40[MoonWolf]i could never be a rogue without 11 points into combat
18:10.48[MoonWolf]but ever since i tried hemo i could not live without it either.
18:11.52cladhairehemo doesn't havea ton of solo utility over SS
18:12.39[MoonWolf]i yust like it.
18:13.02Amadeo_Hm, thinking about that racial more...it's going to help Rogues mainly, at least at 60
18:13.09Amadeo_and helps Warriors a lot pre-60
18:13.19Amadeo_but once they get good gear and 60, the Rage might not mean as much
18:13.36Amadeo_Since Rogue Energy generation is static without items/potions, I would assume it would help them more
18:13.47Ratbert_CPDamn it!
18:13.55Amadeo_Sorry Ratbert
18:13.57Amadeo_:(
18:14.05[MoonWolf]actually, im rooting that hemo will get put lower in the tree come 1.12
18:14.33[MoonWolf]Ratbert_CP, rant about the ..... copier.
18:14.39Amadeo_You guys are both Rogues? Moon/clad?
18:14.42[MoonWolf]im sure the copier has something wrong about it.
18:14.50[MoonWolf]Amadeo_, i have a rogue a hunter and a warlock.
18:14.51*** join/#wowace Neronix (i=neronix@user-3891.lns2-c7.dsl.pol.co.uk)
18:15.03Neronixninja reboot happened while afk >.>
18:15.06Ratbert_CPCan't use BankFrame:IsVisible(), since the *#&$!@ BankNon (and who knows how many other addons) completely replace the bank frame...
18:18.38cladhaireAmadeo_: I'm rogue, priest, druid, hunter
18:19.31Amadeo_I see
18:19.33Amadeo_Hey!
18:19.37Amadeo_Hunters have mana too!
18:19.48Wobin_Ratbert_CP: why not, on the events?
18:22.34Wobin_hm, night!
18:26.19Amadeo_I need to talk about Fury specs with someone :(
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18:46.03kergothhm, whats the url to the upcoming mage changes again? the ones that werent yet confirmed?
18:53.48Neronixis ui.worldofwar.net down for anyone else?
18:54.25cladhairekergoth: http://www.wowhead.com/talent has the new calculator
18:55.29GenNMX|ThraeWho do I yell at when the svn is down?
18:55.43cladhaireme
18:55.46cladhaireand i tell you to bite me.
18:56.00[MoonWolf]tasty
18:56.40cladhaire45 mins 1 sec ago: Outage verified: We are actively looking into resolving it.
18:56.40cladhaire    52 mins 52 secs ago: Outage first reported.
18:57.32GenNMX|Thrae1 minute 30 seconds ago: GenNMX|Thrae bites cladhaire in an impaitent, immature display.
18:59.14cladhairewoot
19:03.47*** join/#wowace Stylpe (n=Stylpe@220.84-48-175.nextgentel.com)
19:06.35Tekcuberf
19:06.42Tekcubpeople always want shit
19:06.50netcursenoo!
19:06.50Tekcubmy todo list keeps getting longer
19:07.06netcursekergoth use http://www.curse-gaming.com/en/wow/talents.html
19:07.06netcurse:D
19:11.00Neronixnetcurse: What will Curse's DB have that the others don't?
19:11.42netcurseYou mean our database like thott and alla ?
19:11.46Neronixyeah
19:11.51netcursethe list is to long lol :P
19:11.55NeronixHeh
19:11.56TekcubI got two ideas for you there net....
19:12.10Tekcub1) itemids (alla has this)
19:12.16NeronixWhy don't you, WorldofWar and WowHead join forces?
19:12.17Tekcub2) spell icon paths
19:12.24netcurseworldofwar is a compagny
19:12.26Tekcubwould help us devs a lot
19:12.37netcursei never saw the wowhead staff
19:12.45TainScrew joining forces, competition is good!
19:12.48Tekcubwell, spell and buff/debuff paths
19:12.52netcurseTekcub, noting it
19:13.00Tekcub^^
19:13.04NeronixTain: There'll still be competition
19:13.12netcurseWorldofwar are wow fansite
19:13.13Tekcubpeople add shit to my todo list, I do the same
19:13.15Tekcubmuahahahaha
19:13.16netcursethey can t datamine
19:13.19NeronixThat coalition vs Zam
19:13.36netcurseno datamining = no good db
19:13.54Neronixnetcurse: I see
19:13.57netcurseabout wowhead i have no clue what they are doing, i b happy ot talk with their staff tho
19:14.06Amadeo_<3 Tekcub :P
19:14.17Tekcubyea ama, I know I know....
19:14.21Tekcubgetting there :)
19:14.22Amadeo_:D
19:14.33TekcubCork's core is nearly done
19:14.36netcurseNeronix i don tthin Zam will be that strong
19:14.48netcursethey will have a full paid developers team right, none other site got that
19:14.51Tekcubhoping I can clear off some of my todo list today
19:15.15netcursei spoke with thott yersterday he told me that he isn t be in zam so i don t know
19:15.22netcursealla + all ogaming site for sure
19:15.33NeronixI see
19:15.36IndustrialLOL!!!
19:15.44IndustrialGrim Batol is full
19:15.47Tekcubhonestly, unless Zam develops some amazing new totally different site... they're just gonna keep what users they have in each section already
19:15.49Industrialqueue place 555
19:15.51Industrial>_o
19:16.02Industrialthats freaking INSANE
19:16.10Amadeo_that's how Akama used to be
19:16.12Tekcubno it's not indie
19:16.15Tekcub666 would be
19:16.20Industrialhaste: you sure about this?
19:16.21Industrial:|
19:16.34Industrialoh my gawd 76 minutes
19:16.38Amadeo_Tekcub: You have to convince Industrial that he wants to update idChat
19:16.40Industrialso not going to log in there
19:16.43Industrial:'(
19:17.06Tekcubindie, STFU and do what your user wants
19:17.17Amadeo_rofl
19:17.17netcursebut tain is right competition is good and it s fun :)
19:17.19IndustrialTekcub: you stfu, i have about 2 hours a WEEK to code on wow
19:17.20TekcubI mean, he's the only one you got, you should try to keep him...
19:17.27Amadeo_This is like Tron
19:17.29Tekcub*hides*
19:17.44IndustrialTekcub: and i made a new addon yesterday.
19:17.47Industrial:>
19:18.02Tekcuboh so you got another user?
19:18.12IndustrialI code for myself thank you
19:18.19cladhairelol
19:18.19Industrialill put it on the svn today
19:18.22Tekcubkeep this up and you'll have 4 by the end of the month!
19:18.40Tekcubyea I know, I'm a "for myself" type too
19:18.43IndustrialTekcub: your epeen is so bigger then mine *careface*
19:18.55Tekcubbut then I post my little bits and people start asking for shit
19:19.05NeronixIndie's got at least 2 :P
19:19.06Neronix<--
19:19.06cladhaireIndustrial: Its okay, your real peen is bigger
19:19.09cladhairelol
19:19.18cladhairei use idchat one a few of my chars too
19:19.21IndustrialTekcub: owned xD
19:19.24Tekcubsee indie, you're just rakin' in the users
19:19.24Neronix3
19:19.43TekcubI bet some HOT DICKINGS would get ya a few dozen
19:19.54Amadeo_All of us idChat users are begging for an update ;)
19:20.02Industrialnu-uh, not goin to happen
19:20.08NeronixWhy does it need an update?
19:20.13TainI want a down-date to idchat
19:20.16Industrialmaybe if i can get a few female wow players to come over..
19:20.25TainGet rid of that chat replacement stuff!
19:20.40Industrialuh you can turn it off and there is no problem
19:20.46Amadeo_Oh yeah, I don't need that either :)
19:21.03Industrialoh you mean the abbreviations? yeah nobody uses that..
19:21.04NeronixNeither do I, but removing it's not really an update :P
19:21.07Industriali could trash it..
19:21.07TainActually I removed it.  There's still a difference between turning it on and off, and getting rid of the code.
19:21.27TainBut that's me, I don't claim to speak for the average player.
19:21.34Industrialmeh whats it like 30 lines of code? it doesnt even hook when its ogg
19:21.39Industrialoff*
19:21.46TainActually, I won't claim to speak for the average anything.
19:21.47Amadeo_I just want that cool link-copy thing that ChatBox has, and maybe the enchant-links :D
19:21.47Industrialbut YES ill try to squeeze in some time ;)
19:22.26Amadeo_Industrial's users are ganging up on him
19:22.46Industrial:p
19:22.53Industrialfine fine ill do it now
19:23.07Amadeo_:D
19:23.43Amadeo_Industrial: Haven't you always wanted a feature in MountMe that would automatically dismount you when you performed an action?
19:24.01Tekcub:P
19:24.02IndustrialI don't have level 40+ chars
19:24.09Amadeo_Oh man
19:24.10Tainhah denied!
19:24.14Industrial;>
19:24.15Amadeo_I lose :(
19:24.17Tekcubyea indie's not the person to get support from there
19:24.20Amadeo_hahah
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19:25.12ckknighthey all
19:25.15Industrialbank cash in time \o/
19:25.18Industriallo ck
19:25.40ckknightI've been away, Amadeo
19:25.47Industrial<3 AH_MailCollect
19:25.48ckknightwhich means no work
19:25.48Amadeo_I know!
19:25.54Amadeo_I'm getting it ready
19:25.59Amadeo_It's shaking at the sight of you
19:25.59Industrialckknight: so how was it?
19:25.59ckknightso you'll get em...later
19:26.06Neronixwb ckknight
19:26.09ckknightI had to go to two graduations
19:26.10Tekcubthe bitch returns!
19:26.17ckknightand neither one had padded seats
19:26.19ckknightI mean, Jesus
19:26.20Industrialmeh i only made 3g profit :(
19:26.25ckknightmy ass is bony
19:26.28Tekcubgraduations suck
19:26.34TainUg I tried to update AH_MailCollect recently but it just served to remind me how much I hate the mail system and gave up.
19:26.34TekcubI didn't even want to go to my own
19:26.35ckknightget me some goddamn padded seats
19:26.48Amadeo_What's AH_MailCollect? Who's it by?
19:26.50Tekcubmy calc teacher called us the "meh, just mail it to me" class
19:26.55TainIt's by me.
19:27.10Tekcubbut they made us do it cause we were all "special" because we were the class of 2000
19:27.12ckknightmy fmily's still in town, so I still am not back on my 30 hour a day schedule
19:27.13TainIt automatically collects items and money from auction house mails.
19:27.16Amadeo_Ahhh, by Tain :(
19:27.27Amadeo_I'll check it out
19:27.43TainOr also collects an item from an email when you open that message if you don't want it all automated.
19:27.51Tekcubhey bossman, if you lock a detached tooltip the clicking doesn't work anymore ><
19:28.06NeronixTekcub: You need to do alt+right-click
19:28.27NeronixIt'd be really nice if users could change that *wink wink*
19:28.40Tekcubyea, considering how cork's designed....
19:29.19Tekcubalso some means to disable the menu on clickable items and instead pass the mousebutton to the method would help too
19:29.25Tekcub*hint* *grin*
19:29.39ckknightTekcub, the locking is pretty obvious
19:29.50ckknightit makes it so you can't move/click it
19:30.16ckknightyou need to be able to have something else unlock it
19:30.22Tekcubit should only lock movement
19:30.23ckknightor teach the user to press alt
19:30.27ckknightI can't
19:30.32ckknightthere's no way to do that
19:30.36Tekcubor maybe options to lock move and clicks seperately
19:30.48ckknightI can't lock movement without locking clicks
19:30.57Tekcubhrm... okey then
19:31.10ckknightlocking lets clicks pass through to the world frame
19:31.19Tekcubah, iceee
19:31.39NeronixHow about having some invisible overlay frame to catch clicks?
19:31.59Neronix(that's anchored onto the tablet)
19:32.02Tekcubstill tho, options to kill the menu on clickables and instead pass the mouse button would be nice :)
19:32.14TainWow I just went through the entire Rogue tree for the first time in a long time, I hadn't really planned out my build much in advance.
19:32.27TainI can't even imagine taking at least half of the skills in it.  Ever.
19:33.25[MoonWolf]throwing weapon spec
19:33.25ckknightNeronix, doesn't work like that
19:33.27TainI'd love to be able to take fist weapon spec!
19:33.42NeronixI see
19:33.56NeronixTain: Yeah, fist weapons need serious love
19:34.06Neronixlast time I checked, there were like 3 blues O.o
19:34.35cladhaireEshkandar's Right Claw is pretty decent for a fist weapon
19:34.37TainWhatever ones there are the last time I looked, which was a good while ago, they weren't anywhere near comparable to other weapons.
19:34.42Ratbert_CPdamn!  [MoonWolf]!  You still here?
19:34.49[MoonWolf]5 secs
19:34.54cladhaireYou have to be fist/poison spec tho
19:35.08[MoonWolf]better make it fast Ratbert_CP
19:35.36Ratbert_CP[MoonWolf]: I'd like to leverage or duplicate Medy's recipie data.  i.e., If I know a recipie that uses an item, don't trash it...
19:36.02[MoonWolf]mendy's recipie data comes straight out of PT
19:36.02TekcubRat, he use PTEmbed's tradeskill module for that :)
19:36.16Ratbert_CPAh!  Bonus.  Thankee!
19:36.24CIA-1703neronix * r1820 10NanoStats/ (Changelog.txt NanoStats.lua NanoStatsLocals.lua):
19:36.24CIA-17NanoStats
19:36.24CIA-17- Switched parser to a system based entirely on BabbleLib's Deformat. Foolproof, and only sssssslightly slower than the current hybrid system
19:36.24CIA-17- Improved DE localisation (Thanks Elkano!)
19:36.25[MoonWolf]its well documented.
19:37.54Amadeo_it won't stop being crappy outsid
19:37.54Amadeo_e
19:38.39TainBah I want to do a build with Vile Poisons and Imp. Instant Poison but it's not looking positive.
19:40.25Amadeo_Tekcub: What would you do if you went to WoWI one day and it said: Most Downloaded - idChat
19:41.54Tekcub*shrug*
19:42.01TekcubI just like givin id crap
19:43.15Amadeo_:(
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19:47.39Neronix...
19:47.44Neronixlusers strike again!
19:47.52Neronix"Wow, require bloatware libaries=bloatware addon. Keep flying ;)"
19:47.58Neronixdude commenting about embeds
19:48.32Industrial"omgliek lern2stfu and lern2code newb ass mother*beep beep beep*"
19:51.31CIA-1703tekkub * r1821 10FuBar_CorkFu/ClassShaman.lua: FuBar_CorkFu - Added Shaman Buff/debuff modules
19:52.06Tekcubone less stupid user, not my problem :)
19:52.24CIA-1703id * r1822 10idChat/ (idChat.lua idChat.toc): idChat: converted the addon to the 'out of the constructor' style, because this will aid in separating it into smaller parts, and updated the toc file
19:52.26Industrialpoof
19:52.54Tekcubit's sad that too many bloated libraries early on set people on this "libraries are bad" trend
19:53.02NeronixYeah
19:53.28NeronixI explained in my reply the difference between the embeds I used and Sea, Earth and co
19:53.30IndustrialAs long as my stuff works without I see no reason in using one.
19:53.30Amadeo_whoaaa
19:53.32Amadeo_idchat update!
19:53.44IndustrialAmadeo_: yes im working on it now
19:53.51Amadeo_:DDD<34
19:53.53Amadeo_-4
19:54.32IndustrialI'm removing abbreviations, because no-one uses it, including me.
19:54.48Industrialif someone ever want it sback its oin the svn anyway so whatever :P
19:54.55Amadeo_:)
19:56.25ckknightso
19:56.32ckknightwhat progress has been made in my absense?
19:56.37ckknightabsence*
19:56.42CIA-1703id * r1823 10idChat/idChat.lua: idChat: Removed some stuff like abbreviations that no-one ever uses, including me.
19:56.45IndustrialAmadeo_: soon
19:57.50Amadeo_ckknight: Tekcub was just working on putting auto-dismount on action into MountMe
19:57.58ckknighthrm
19:58.02ckknightanything with Ace?
19:58.08Amadeo_haha
19:58.16TekcubI got a crapton done on Cork :)
19:58.16Neronixckknight: Not that I know of
19:58.20ckknight:-P
19:58.21Amadeo_TOC update for Ace
19:58.24Amadeo_1.3.1 :P
19:58.42ckknightTekcub, anything you want in Tablet?
19:58.43Neronixapart from said TOC update, nothing :P
19:59.06ckknightany work on the OO stuff or Ace2 dev?
19:59.11TekcubI said it already, option to kill the menu on clickable items and instead pass the mousebutton
19:59.21Tekcubthat's really about it :)
19:59.45NeronixWe need an embed FAQ
19:59.45ckknightyou mean allow RightButton to go through?
20:00.05Tekcubmaybe an option to set a value that's passed to the menu method also, it's hard to do anything with the tooltip menu when it's nil...
20:00.06Neronixso we can macro a link to it whenever some mono-neuron moans
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20:00.18Tekcubright, left, middle, 4 and 5, yes
20:00.35ckknightas clicks?
20:00.41Tekcuband if you let me set a value I can talor the menu to the item you clicked...
20:00.54ckknighthrm
20:00.57Tekcubprolly just pass the mouse button clicked
20:01.01Tekcublike as an arg
20:01.13Tekcubthe heal module will need it for clickcasting
20:01.33Tekcubotherwise I don't care
20:01.42ckknightso you want to be able to override RightButton to go through the function provided instead of opening a menu?
20:02.41TekcubI want to just set a flag that will cause it to call the method regardless of which mouse button and pass that button to the method
20:03.16NeronixHah, Devla wtfpwnt the luser I was having trouble with ^^
20:03.26Tekcuboh BTW I added arg4 into DewDrop, cause I needed it :)
20:03.34ckknightcommitted?
20:03.38Tekcubyarr
20:03.41ckknightalright
20:03.43ckknightthat's fine
20:03.48Tekcubit was a simple change :)
20:03.52ckknightyea
20:03.54ckknightI'll bet
20:04.06ckknightdid you change it in the API docs?
20:04.08Tekcublike 3 lines, odit the API docs
20:04.11ckknightokay
20:04.16ckknightyea, I'm cool with that
20:04.33ckknightpeople can make changes to my stuff as long as it doesn't break API and as long as it doesn't slow things down
20:04.47Tekcubhrm... now that I think about it I might need to set two values to be passed to me menu...
20:05.03Tekcubcan you make it so we can set the n-1, n-2 values too?
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20:05.37Tekcubcause I need to pass both unit and module, which are lower-level values in the main menu
20:05.56Tekcuband as usualy, I don't want to set tables for values
20:05.59ElkanoTekcub, MailFu seems to work now :)
20:06.11Elkanoso it was that initial event :)
20:06.11TekcubMailFu always worked bishie!
20:06.17Tekcuboh taht
20:06.22GenNMX|ThraeIs there a Tain around?
20:06.31TekcubI thought you meant the latest version of Fu on the SVN
20:06.46ckknightTekcub, n-1, n-2?
20:07.10TekcubBTW ckk, next time you make a major revision to Fu, you mind doin it in a branch :P
20:07.25Elkanowrt that I knew that it was a problem with FuBar and not with MailFu :)
20:07.31Tekcubyou know, those args we tacked on the end o the MenuSetting method
20:07.58Tekcublet me set what to pass to those value args if it's calling the menu from the tooltip
20:08.36Elkanockknight, wrt updating deDE strings in GloryLib, shall I talk about that with you or hyperChipmunk?
20:08.46ckknighteither
20:08.53ckknightdo you have an svn account?
20:09.23Tekcubso if I right-cilck a tooltip item it calls FuBar_CorkFu:MenuSettings(1, unit, true, module) instead of just passing nils
20:09.47Elkanonope, not yet
20:10.00ckknightokay, Tekcub
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20:10.39Tekcubthat'd make it so if you click a druid in party 4 I can show fliters for the unit name, party4, druids, and everyone
20:10.46ckknightso you want to manually set valueN_1 and such?
20:10.46Elkanobut there will be some problems coming up anyways since German hase mor than one article (?) so a generic pattern for AB will most likely not work
20:10.49Tekcubinstead of every menu being the same in the tooltip
20:10.59Tekcubyea, but only on the tooltip
20:11.25Tekcubso like, give us menuvalue, menuvalueN_1... args to addline
20:11.44Industrialcladhaire: with HookScript can i use a function isntead of a string - the name of a function - as the third argument?
20:11.53ckknightyea, I'll put in value overrides
20:11.54TekcubId, yes
20:12.10ckknightElkano, alright, feel free to email me the translations, I guess
20:12.11Industrialcladhaire: oh wait it refers to self.thatfunctionfromthestring right
20:12.17Tekcubit can be anony or well definded too :)
20:12.23Industrialyay
20:12.41Tekcubyes, if you pass a string it's self[thatstring]
20:12.50Tekcubbut you can pass functions too
20:13.10Tekcubit's all in the wiki documentation!
20:14.55Amadeo_Wobin said the wiki is my friend, but it's everyones friend, so it's kind of slutty
20:17.05cladhaireO.o
20:17.07cladhaireIndustrial: Huh?
20:17.08cladhairelol
20:18.25Industrialcladhaire: never mind :-)
20:19.24Elkanockknight, is there a way to substitute the matched values? The message is "x hat den Hof angegriffen!" or "x hat die Schmiede angegriffen!" so I would have to match "den Hof", "die Schmiede" and remove the leading word. Also "die Schmiede" is called "Schmied" on the map :/
20:20.27ckknightyes
20:20.30ckknightwe do it for enUS
20:22.35Elkanoshall I query you a list of strings I had captured in AB?
20:23.41ckknightsure
20:23.50ckknightunless hyperChipmunk is awake
20:24.58Elkanook, done :)
20:25.41ElkanoI don't have any char allowed into AV, yet, so only AB strings
20:26.37CIA-1703tekkub * r1824 10SpecialEventsEmbed/Aura/SEEmbedAura.lua: SpecialEventsEmbed - Added some asserts to Aura module to try to weed out an odd bug
20:26.48cladhaireOk
20:26.54cladhairecan i ask you gusy an opinion really quick:
20:27.08TainNo.
20:27.15TainOk, go ahead.
20:27.46[MoonWolf]shoot
20:27.52GenNMX|ThraeTain: Whatever happened to TrackAlert?
20:28.07ckknighthit me, cladhaire
20:28.12cladhairehttp://img251.imageshack.us/img251/6083/spellbook0cl.jpg
20:28.27TekcubGAY!!
20:28.42Tekcubmaking a mini spellbok?
20:28.44Tainheh ah it never really worked that great.  Well, it worked.  But I never could figure a way to make it not interfeer with the mouse.
20:28.44[MoonWolf]thats a compliment from you right ?
20:28.50[MoonWolf]i like minibooks
20:28.53cladhaireClique's click-casting definitions happen through the spellbook.. perform the click-cast on the spellbook, and it shows up on the left
20:29.10cladhairethe issue is, how do I handle "cast the highest rank"?
20:29.20Tekcubhrm....
20:29.27[MoonWolf]modifier key ?
20:29.35Tekcubuse highest by default if you click the highest?
20:29.37cladhaireI was thinking a simple checkbox up under where the spellbook title would be.
20:29.42Tekcubor a modifier, yea
20:29.53cladhaireWhat modifier tho, i'm already using Alt,Shift and Control =)
20:29.57Tekcubhrm....
20:29.58[MoonWolf]oh
20:29.59[MoonWolf]damn
20:30.01Tekcubhow but this
20:30.09ckknightcladhaire, you should delete FontSizeFu
20:30.09Tekcubclick a spell once, adds that rank
20:30.12GenNMX|ThraeTain: What about the "blinking"? Did it always cause the Minimap to blink from hidden to shown?
20:30.22Tekcubclick same spell/rank again, changes to highest
20:30.32Tekcubclick last time, clears it
20:30.34cladhairenot very intuitive tho =(
20:30.37[MoonWolf]nope
20:30.43cladhairehere's a deletion/edit box on the left
20:30.45cladhaireyou just can't see it yet
20:30.55[MoonWolf]hehe
20:30.58TainOh yeah, that was sort of the only way.  I tried creating a second mini-map to scan but ug it made things mad.
20:31.00Tekcubwell thes do the reverse, if you click the highest known just put the rankless in by default
20:31.00cladhairehas an lua syntax highlighted editor for arbitrary lua
20:31.12Tekcuband if you click it again change it to that specific rank
20:31.21cladhaireI think the checkbox would be more intuitive.
20:31.30cladhaireMaking the user make a conscious decisions.
20:31.32Tekcuboh how bout this....
20:31.43Tekcubjust put the ranked in always...
20:31.52GenNMX|ThraeTain: What about the reverse, making a second minimap for people to use for themselves and keep the original minimap always hidden?
20:32.10Tekcuband thin if you rightclick the item it pops up a menu, in there you can check "no rank, cast highest"
20:32.20cladhaireThat's possible.
20:32.25[MoonWolf]hmm
20:32.28[MoonWolf]i kinda like it
20:32.30[MoonWolf]and kinda not
20:32.39[MoonWolf]i like single click actions.
20:32.44cladhairei want there to be no way a user can question it =)
20:32.53Tekcubwell how do you clear an action currently?
20:33.01cladhaireThere's a delete button on the list.
20:33.04cladhairethat you can't see yet =)
20:33.07cladhairebut its juyst a standard game button
20:33.08[MoonWolf]hehe
20:33.13cladhairethere's also an "Edit" button.
20:33.18Tekcubso add a "ignore rank" button, be consistant
20:33.27TainAt the time I was testing trying to create a second minimap just didn't work right and caused the UI to behave badly.  I think people have recently tried to do multiple minimaps again in the mean time and had similar issues.
20:33.28cladhaireI can do that.
20:33.38TainBut I haven't looked at it again since whatever that last version was.
20:33.41GenNMX|ThraeHmmm.
20:33.53GenNMX|ThraeNovember ;)
20:34.42cladhaireALL my click-casts will be CastSpellByName("Leatherworking")
20:34.56Amadeo_What if you're not a leatherworker? GOSH!
20:35.02[MoonWolf]oh the noes
20:35.25Amadeo_Is there any way to color code the player dots on your minimap when in a group?
20:35.35Amadeo_or normal map, for that matter
20:36.00TainWe don't get a lot of control over those minimap dots, do we?  
20:36.08[MoonWolf]nope
20:37.04Tekcuboh yea, ckk, the fubar minimap stuff needs to support setting the radius too, not just the angle
20:37.32Amadeo_too bad :(
20:37.52Tekcubsome of us don't have round maps *grin*
20:38.57Tekcubquestion for you warlocks
20:39.07[MoonWolf]shoot
20:39.10NeronixYeah?
20:39.10Tekcubhow exactly do soulstones work
20:39.20Tekcubis the cooldown on the spell or an item?
20:39.33Neronixon the item
20:39.33[MoonWolf]you create a stone item with a shard
20:39.36[MoonWolf]this does not have a cooldown
20:39.37Tekcubbugger, I need to track item cooldowns now
20:39.41[MoonWolf]the stone itself has a cooldown.
20:39.44Tekcubokey
20:40.07NeronixHm, my logic seems flawed
20:40.10TekcubI'm gonna make Cork take into account cooldowns on the item and never show a need if your stone is in cooldown :)
20:40.36Tekcubsame goes with druid's rez spell
20:40.58Tekcubany other spells that have a long cooldown out there?
20:41.17[MoonWolf]hmmm
20:41.30[MoonWolf]retaliations and its counterpart...
20:41.40Tekcubhuh?
20:41.48[MoonWolf]retaliation... warrior skill
20:41.51Tekcuboh
20:41.58Tekcubnot sure what I'll do for warriors
20:42.06TekcubNL only does Battle Shout
20:42.12[MoonWolf]they have anoter too, makes all atacks crit
20:42.28[MoonWolf]only telling you long cooldown things.
20:45.09Groumphsoulstone perhaps?
20:45.35Groumphnm
20:45.35Groumphyou said that =]
20:45.36Groumphevocation
20:46.06Groumphonly 10m though
20:47.09Neronixhmm...
20:47.14Neronixvery, very weird
20:51.15GenNMX|ThraeOK, what's the name of the yellow circle that surrounds the Minimap?
20:53.04Tekcublook in squeenix if you want to change it Thrae
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20:57.01GenNMX|ThraeAww, I can't set alpha on the Minimap.
20:57.54TainI think you can on MinimapCluster
20:58.37GenNMX|ThraeWell, if I set alpha directly on Minimap, it works until a player passes through the minimap, then the texture disappears.
20:58.46Tainooh weird
20:59.38IndustrialI need some help with spotting an error. For some reason idChat.AddMessageHook doesnt work right. it shows nothing in my chatframe although chat bubbles are there. see line 125-150 and 302-330 at http://pastebin.com/719492. Thanks
21:00.14Industrialmore eyes equals more profit, or faster profit - but that's more too.
21:00.21NeronixQuestion!
21:00.28ckknightAnswer!
21:00.51NeronixIf I did "local lvar" and another line sent nil to lvar, would lvar still be local?
21:01.09kergothyes.  its a slot, permanently. its value doesnt matter
21:01.18NeronixI see, thanks
21:01.23kergothits name, lvar, doesnt even exist after it gets compiled to lua vm instructions
21:01.33kergothit becomes a numeric index into an array in that closure
21:01.39Industrial*xfiles tune*
21:01.45Industrial^^
21:02.56Industrialanyone? :o
21:03.19Industrialso i can like, move on
21:05.49CIA-1703tekkub * r1825 10Squeenix/ (. Squeenix.lua):
21:05.49CIA-17Squeenix - Fixed blank minimap after changing graphics settings
21:05.49CIA-17http://www.wowinterface.com/portal.php?id=10&a=viewbug&bugid=806
21:07.11Industrial:p
21:07.22kergothack, color, MY EYES
21:07.22Industrialah-ha, a german
21:07.24kergoth:P
21:07.39IndustrialITS BURRNIIINGGGG THE AGONYYYYY THE PAAAIIIINNN
21:07.44Industrial:p
21:07.58IndustrialZE GOGGLES ZEY DO NOTHING!
21:08.08IndustrialNOZZING*
21:08.16ckknightindoor voice.
21:08.30GenNMX|ThraeTekkub: What does squeenix do?
21:08.35Neronixoh nos! Indie's in trouble :O
21:08.35[MoonWolf]what is with the fake german accents.....
21:08.41NeronixSend in the Blood Elf Space Pirates!!
21:08.52[MoonWolf]GenNMX|Thrae, it turns all tauren into galka
21:09.56CIA-1703maia * r1826 10Squishy/core.lua: Squishy: one missing comma, and an addon stops working. very sorry.
21:10.00Elkano"Mein Leben..." ;)
21:10.08Industrial[MoonWolf]: dude you didnt see that arnold schwarznegger (<-- not trying to be racist but i really cant spell it) movie?
21:10.11TekcubSqueenix == square minimap
21:10.14IndustrialElkano: lacrimosa
21:10.19Industriali win!
21:10.20Industrial:D
21:10.29Elkanowhat?
21:10.40Industrialthats a band >_>
21:10.47GenNMX|ThraeTekcub: Does it reduce map surface any?
21:10.49[MoonWolf]thats two band actually
21:10.51Elkanonever heard of them
21:10.52[MoonWolf]there is lacrimose
21:10.56Industrialreally?
21:10.57[MoonWolf]and lacrimosa profoundre
21:11.02Tekcubno it actually increases it
21:11.05[MoonWolf]lacrimosa*
21:11.10Tekcubtho markers don't change
21:11.37IndustrialElkano: http://www.darklyrics.com/l/lacrimosa.html
21:11.45kergothIndustrial: http://atlee.ca/blog/software/svn-commit/ .. vim plugin.. when you 'svn commit' and it pops up your vim to edit the commit log, and you abort the commit, it saves the old commit message you'd entered in a file.  this plugin makes it so the next svn commit after that will automatically pull in the old message from the one you aborted, so you dont have to do so manually
21:11.48Tekcubyou still only get markers in the round area, I'm sure that' blizzy by design tho, so you don't get an advantage
21:11.49Industrialreally cool lyrics - from what i can understand of it
21:11.52kergothgood stuff
21:12.03Industrialkergoth: oo have have :D
21:12.06GenNMX|ThraeRight
21:12.20Industrialkergoth: i need to configure tabs instead of using MiniBufExpl but im lazy..
21:12.38kergothi wouldnt recommend it, it gets odd.
21:13.18kergothexample: 'vim a' -> vsplit -> ^W<Right> -> :e b  .. now you have a and b open in two windows, verically spilt
21:13.40kergothif you then :tabe c, that new tab has just the one window, instead of the two you had setup all nicely
21:13.51Industrialreally tabs are odd?
21:13.52Industrialmeh
21:13.55kergothwhereas with minibufexpl, you can quickly swap c into the existing window
21:13.59Industrialyea
21:14.01[MoonWolf]cant vim handle that natvily in a nice way ?
21:14.07kergothso tabs are more useful for seperate projects
21:14.10Industrialill stick to that then, works just as great
21:14.19kergothget your windows all setup nice for one projec,t then setup another way for another one on another tab
21:14.26kergothsince yoru window setup doesnt follow you across tab boundaries
21:14.49Industrial[MoonWolf]: vim didnt use tabs until 7. it uses buffers since like 199X
21:14.53CIA-1703neronix * r1827 10NanoStats/NanoStats.lua: NanoStats - Fixed the parsers. Scoping wtfpwnt me :<
21:14.56[MoonWolf]ah
21:15.02kergoththats just my opinion though, i know some people are using the new tabs for seperate buffers like minibufexpl did, but i see it being two seperate use casees
21:15.16kergothso i want a version of minibufexpl that shows only buffers thatve been opened in teh current tab
21:15.24kergothso you can have a buffer list in each tab/workspace
21:15.35Industrialyea
21:15.40[MoonWolf]a tab is a workspace ?
21:15.52NeronixWhy not just a file?
21:15.57kergoth[MoonWolf]: yeah, the tab contains not just the buffer, but its own independent window setup
21:15.58Neronixis there a way to change that? :S
21:16.04kergothyou
21:16.10Industrialyou have windows and buffers, you can plsit windows and every part shows a buffer
21:16.11kergoth're free to open just one file in one big window if you want
21:16.20[MoonWolf]not that i mind really, but isnt that in violation of the normal way a tab behaves ?
21:16.21kergothbut if you have a nice window setup already done, you wont have that in your next tab
21:16.33NeronixI see
21:16.50ckknightElkano, how do you say "Close menu" in German?
21:16.54Industrial[MoonWolf]: isnt it 'cool' ? :P
21:17.07kergothfor some users, those who dont know much about vim, using tabs as a means to switch buffers will work fine, because you'll never even know how to use the vim window support
21:17.08Industrialckknight: RAUS DAMIT!
21:17.08[MoonWolf]eeeuh, i dont use my editors for cool value.
21:17.11Industrialckknight: :P
21:17.17Elkanohmmm... "Menü schließen"
21:17.21kergothbut its overkill, minibufexpl can give you that just as easily, imo
21:17.23kergoth</rant>
21:17.25kergoth:)
21:17.31Industrials/k/ck/
21:17.35Industrial..
21:17.49ckknight?
21:17.51Industrialhah error :D
21:18.01ckknightah, emote
21:19.46CIA-1703icetrain * r1828 10oRA_Zone/oRA_Zone.lua: oRA_Zone: Escape now closes the main window
21:20.09kergothhonestly though, my use of vim windows is pretty weak unless i'm using winmanager to show a file and buffer list, and taglist for tags.  i just do a vsplit with the .h and the .cpp in two windows usually
21:20.49Industrialyeah i have
21:21.01Industrialmap <tab> :bn<cr>
21:21.07Industrialmap <S-tab> :bp<cr>
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21:21.27Industriali should make one for changing minibufexpl windows, but i cant use alt :P
21:21.49Industrialno, uh, it wlready works like that
21:21.51Industrial:S
21:22.11Industrial( Industrial) I need some help with spotting an error. For some reason idChat.AddMessageHook doesnt work right. it shows nothing in my chatframe although chat bubbles are there. see line 125-150 and 302-330 at http://pastebin.com/719492. Thanks
21:22.16Industriali only have 30 mins left for today
21:22.40[MoonWolf]sometimes i wonder how i ended up so geeky that im sitting in a irc channel on a opensource server discussing the perks and configurations of the 7th incarnation of a originally *nix console file editor with authors of addons for a mmorpg
21:23.06Tekcubhrm... someone had a really simple web-based RSS portal some time back, think it was kerg... I never bookmarked it
21:23.20Tekcubdidn't require signing up or anything, it just worked
21:23.23Tekcubwhat was that?
21:23.37Industrial[MoonWolf]: well its not a bad thing if you ask me
21:23.46[MoonWolf]i never said that
21:23.53[MoonWolf]i yust wonder , HOW i ended up like that.
21:24.09ElkanoMoonWolf, sounds like this was the best of all ways you could have gone ;)
21:24.17[MoonWolf]hehe
21:25.04Elkanopeople tend to hang around other people understanding what they say :)
21:26.52hasteIndustrial: While a fairly high amount of players have migrated from Burning Blade the total number of players (read: accounts) migrated to Grim Batol should in no way fill the realm completely. I'm 99% certain Grim Batol (and Stonemaul) is currently running with a lower cap.  I'll verify it when I'm at the office tomorrow and request that it's raised towards the regular cap.
21:26.57hasteIndustrial: should explain the queue for you ;)
21:27.07cladhaireCurrent Clique UI: http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/218/clique1ky.jpg
21:27.07cladhaireThe box on the bottom left is an edit box that will use http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4895 for syntax highlighting.
21:27.22CIA-1703ckknight * r1829 10TabletLib/Lib/TabletLib.lua: TabletLib - made blank lines after category headers more consistent.
21:27.56cladhaireAny suggestions before I get much further with this?
21:28.02[MoonWolf]haste, when did you get into a position to request changes on wow realms ?
21:28.08Elkanobtw: id, what do you think of ItemDBFu? (asuming that you use it)
21:28.34Neronixcladhaire: Why did you leave healing on if you're playing a rogue? :P
21:28.38CIA-1703tekkub * r1830 10FuBar_CorkFu/ (. FuBar_CorkFu.toc): FuBar_CorkFu - Adding svn:external for DewDrop temporarily, until FuBar's trunk is functional again.
21:28.54cladhaireNeronix cause i have lifestealing enchant =)
21:28.55haste[MoonWolf]: They opened migration on our server - might also have something to do with the amount of whine thundergot got on TG06 :p
21:29.05Neronixcladhaire: heh, I see :)
21:29.06haste[MoonWolf]: a total of 21 guilds left the server also
21:29.10[MoonWolf]wow
21:29.11Tekcubforum go down the hole?
21:29.11haste[MoonWolf]: old one that is
21:29.14[MoonWolf]thats it a LOT
21:29.22[MoonWolf]thundy is old ?
21:29.31hastesays more about Burning Blade I think
21:29.32[MoonWolf]or am i reading things wrong....
21:29.44hastekek?
21:29.51[MoonWolf]your not helping.
21:29.55hasteI know :(
21:29.59hasteI'm confused
21:30.01Tekcubhey claddo, got any majick up your sleeve to speed up the SVN's RSS feeds?  Changelogs load fast but RSS doesn't, and the readers I've tried with are timing out now
21:30.02hastejust woke up ;O
21:30.13[MoonWolf]is thundgot old... or did you meant burning blade was old....
21:30.32hasteI ment BB is a old borked server
21:30.37[MoonWolf]kk
21:30.54NeronixOh ffs
21:30.58hasteon a normal day you would have ~1200 ms, random DC, Instance server is down
21:31.05[MoonWolf]cladhaire, use tooltip borders plz
21:31.14cladhaire[MoonWolf]: For why?
21:31.16[MoonWolf]haste, thats bad.
21:31.17Neronixthe same guy who complained about libraries being bloatware on the ui.wow NS page is doing the same thing on the Lexan page >.>
21:31.20[MoonWolf]cladhaire, i like them better.
21:31.26[MoonWolf]cleaner look.
21:31.27cladhairelol
21:31.31cladhairewell i can work those details out later
21:31.37[MoonWolf]hehe
21:31.41NeronixOk, time to concoct an insult of epic proportions
21:31.44cladhaireI need to ge the shit working
21:31.44haste[MoonWolf]: yeah, I have 22ms on the new server
21:31.51[MoonWolf]haste, deathwing is pretty old too, but its working fine.
21:31.53hastesince it's in sweden, and not france ^^;
21:32.00cladhaireTekcub: No, i'm not sure why they
21:32.02cladhairethey're running slow
21:32.11haste[MoonWolf]: have you had 1k queues on deathwing ;) ?
21:32.21[MoonWolf]there was a time
21:32.25[MoonWolf]but then the transfers came
21:32.33[MoonWolf]and i did not have a char on it at the time
21:32.37hastethere has been four migrations of BB
21:32.41[MoonWolf]i recently had my first char undeleted.
21:32.56[MoonWolf]i deleted my warlock out of anger over warlock changes once.
21:33.04TainNeronix: Saying Sea, Earth, etc. are bloated pieces of shit is not really a positive thing for the Ace community.
21:33.15[MoonWolf]i agree with tain there.
21:33.20Tekcubgod, that guy's got a vendetta against Ace doesn't he
21:33.27[MoonWolf]try to keep a postive tone, we are working on that. or try to at least.
21:33.29NeronixWell what do I say?
21:33.36[MoonWolf]link the post ?
21:33.36TainWhether they are or not is irrelevant, it perpetuates an image that people have that Ace authors are assholes and insult other addons.
21:33.37Tekcubcertainly doesn't know how to tell if a library is "bloat"
21:33.41NeronixThe guy's judging Ace based on Sea and co
21:33.45cladhaireyeah
21:33.48cladhairehe has been for a while
21:33.50cladhairehe's an idiot.
21:33.52[MoonWolf]seperate the issue
21:33.53cladhairehe things Ace == Cosmos.
21:33.53kergothfocus on _us_, not on them.
21:33.54cladhaireand i dont know why
21:34.03Neronix[MoonWolf]: http://ui.worldofwar.net/ui.php?id=2439 and http://ui.worldofwar.net/ui.php?id=2600
21:34.06[MoonWolf]first tell him that sea and earth and sky do not have anything to do with ace in any way
21:34.15TainIt's better to say, "We do this this this well" and not even make any comparison to anything else.
21:34.17haste[MoonWolf]: give me  sec, I'll find a screen of BB now :p
21:34.20TekcubI told him to sod off, I feel like a big man ^^
21:34.34[MoonWolf]Tekcub, thats good too.
21:34.44[MoonWolf]there is nothing wrong with calling a troll a troll.
21:35.00[MoonWolf]but dont go around insulting anybody else.
21:35.13Tekcubwell seriously, I don't understand people who waste their breathe
21:35.25Tekcubif you don't like something then piss off and use stuff you do like
21:35.38TekcubI don't like Cosmos, but I don't troll around telling them I don't like em
21:36.06TainI have no problem telling a Cosmos dev exactly why I don't like certain things about it.
21:36.13TainBut that's different.
21:36.23Tekcubthat's not "it sucks"
21:36.28[MoonWolf]pointing out what you think is wrong is constructive
21:36.29haste[MoonWolf]: http://s44.photobucket.com/albums/f2/RubenMarques/?action=view&current=Orgrimmar.jpg << burning blade now :p
21:36.32Tekcubthat's "it sucks because.... fix it"
21:36.51[MoonWolf]or at least, i CAN be constructive.
21:36.58[MoonWolf]haste, that is SCARY
21:37.01hasteyeh :p
21:37.02TainOh god I am suddenly tempted to download the flying cows mount addon.
21:37.18Tekcubclad, get AceLibrary done so that fools like this won't know when they're using Ace mods :)
21:37.41NeronixI second that
21:37.43hastebut blizzard has borked the queue limit on Grim Batol (zhe new server), so it was 168min queue earlier today :p
21:37.44ckknightsecond
21:37.46TainIt won't help, there'll be a big post on the UI forum about how embedded libs cause cancer in laboratory rats.
21:38.01[MoonWolf]i never liked laboratory rats anyway
21:38.09TainThat's the way I look at it.
21:38.18NeronixWho'd actually post something like that?
21:38.22Industrialhaste: 35 before me now
21:38.23Tekcubcell phones cause drain bamage cancer and everyone uses them :)
21:38.25NeronixCertainly someone that people won't take seriously
21:38.38IndustrialTekcub: i dont \o/
21:38.39[MoonWolf]i never liked my brain anyway
21:38.41hasteIndustrial: Thudnergot replied to the "Sup with queue?" thread :)
21:38.48Tekcubid: you don't need to!
21:38.49Industrial;o
21:38.50Tekcub*hides*
21:38.51TainLook brain, I don't like you, and you don't like me.
21:38.58CIA-1703ckknight * r1831 10FuBar/ (5 files): FuBar - moved plugin-specific localization from FuBar's locals into the plugin libraries.
21:39.00IndustrialTekcub: indeed, for i have no friends
21:39.02TainBut let's just get through this so I can go back to killing you with beer.
21:39.07[MoonWolf]Shutup brain, or I?l stab you with a q-tip!
21:39.18Tekcubckk, is trunk functional again?
21:39.27[MoonWolf]i'll
21:39.31Tekcub:P
21:39.33hasteIndustrial: http://plixx.org/?59 << thread
21:39.33ckknightcheck it out
21:39.36Neronixtrunk worked the last time I checked
21:39.38Tekcubdo that crap in a branch next time
21:39.52ckknightno.
21:40.05NeronixEveryone that can be taken seriously would not be against embeds, thus won't go on a smear campaign
21:40.16Tekcubwell then at least test before you commit :P
21:40.22TainYou're trying to apply logic, Neronix.  It won't work.
21:40.22ckknightno
21:40.26ckknightI test before I release
21:40.33ckknightcommitting is where development happens
21:40.37Tekcubat least do a reloadui and check for typos!
21:40.56TainJust don't do anything except with uploaded releases, Tekkub.
21:40.59NeronixTain: I suppose you're right. The whole community defies logic >.>
21:41.00ckknightwhen did I mess that up?
21:41.04ckknightoh well
21:41.05ckknightcheck it out now
21:41.07ckknightshould work
21:41.08ckknightworks for me
21:41.27ElkanoI shouldn't alt-tab into IRC when standing in Stormwind's throne room :/
21:41.29Tekcubreloggin, one sex
21:41.42CIA-1703ckknight * r1832 10DewdropLib/Lib/DewdropLib.lua: DewdropLib - slightly changed assert.
21:41.44Tekcubwhy not?
21:41.59hasteget a better computer!
21:42.06hasteor reroll *nix
21:42.26TainIf I try to log into both WoW and Eve Online at the same time my computer bluescreens.
21:42.41[MoonWolf]its a consipracy
21:42.42Elkanowell, alt-tabed back in and noticed that someone started onyxia pre :/ resulting in me looking at my corpse :/
21:42.44Industrialhaste: i still cant creat a damn char
21:43.05hasteIndustrial: why not migrate?
21:43.18Tekcuboh
21:43.18hastemigrate a L1 char, then you can create chars
21:43.21Industrialhaste: with what character, my level 2 warlock?
21:43.28Industrial.. :o
21:43.31Industrial*does*
21:43.39hastemigration opens at 03:00 -> 15:00
21:43.40Tekcubnope bossman, same error shit the version you left with had
21:43.45IndustrialGOD DAMN
21:43.49Industrialthey got me again
21:43.49Tekcubdo you run plugins besides your own?
21:43.50Industrial:(
21:44.01Industriali have to do it at work then tomorrow
21:44.05Industrial>-<
21:44.10Industrial*makes sticky*
21:44.11hasteI skipped sleep to do it :p
21:44.12ckknightyou do realize that if you don't tell me the errors, I can never fix em
21:44.30hastethen I arrive at school prepared for 3xTests... but all where postponed <.<
21:44.35Tekcub"attempt to index local 'plugin' (a nil)
21:44.38Tekcubline 1408
21:44.42ckknightfile?
21:44.46Industrialhaste: ownage
21:44.52Tekcubfubar.lua
21:44.59hasteIndustrial: no it sucks, now I have to read for them later too :p
21:45.05Industriallol
21:45.24ckknightyea, that was kinda deprecated...
21:45.34Industrialim going to bed
21:45.37ckknightI'm on it, hang on
21:45.43Industrialnn
21:45.57Tekcubmail's throwing errors and it should be 1.0 compat
21:46.05Elkano´gnight id
21:46.17CIA-1703neronix * r1833 10NanoStats/ (NanoStats.toc NanoStatsLocals.lua): NanoStats - Updating metadata for 1.1 release
21:46.24Tekcuboreo?
21:47.02Tekcubmeh, guess I'll 1.2-ify mail
21:47.15Tekcubonce again, distracted from what I was doing
21:47.22CIA-1703neronix 071.1 * r1834 10NanoStats/: NanoStats - Tagging as 1.1
21:48.15CIA-1703ckknight * r1835 10FuBar/FuBar.lua: FuBar - fixed a nil bug.
21:48.22ckknightI got it so you can theoretically run a plugin without FuBar now, gonna test
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21:49.04Neronixrly? O
21:49.14Neronixs/O/:O
21:49.26Neronixtrailing slash... >.>
21:51.26haste*curses*
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21:58.45NeronixWhat exactly does BugSack do?
21:59.10ckknightcatches bugs, lets you see em later
21:59.27Neronixbugs == errors?
21:59.29ckknightyes
21:59.34NeronixCool, thanks
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22:05.02CIA-1703ckknight * r1836 10FuBar/FuBarPlugin.lua: FuBar - 1.2 plugin library works independantly from FuBar.
22:05.41ckknightIndustrial, tada.
22:06.58ckknighthttp://ckknight.hopto.org:8080/screen.jpg
22:07.04ckknightthat's ClockFu without FuBar running
22:07.34ckknightgranted, it's no longer LoadOnDemand, and it needs 5 libraries it normally wouldn't need to include
22:08.10cladhaireNeronix: You there?
22:08.17ckknightthis would be very handy for something like BagBoy
22:08.23cladhaireNanoStats is spewing debug messgaes for me =)
22:08.30ckknightor anything which has optional FuBar support
22:10.37Tekcubhey ckk, can we get an arg for tablet's addline that makes the text mimic the title?
22:10.55Tekcublike so my "AH Alerts" section of mail's tip can have a second title
22:10.56ckknightwhat do you mean by that?
22:11.01ckknightoh
22:11.02ckknightisTitle
22:11.12Tekcubah *tests*
22:11.17ckknightmake it a category
22:11.24Neronixcladhaire: aw fuck
22:11.29NeronixI just uploaded it >.>
22:11.31Tekcubit is... maybe I missed where I set a cat's title
22:11.49ckknightAddCategory('text', "Boom", 'isTitle', true)
22:11.50NeronixGod damn you, Murphy!
22:12.13TainIf only MailFu told me I had new mail when I logged on.
22:12.17cladhaireyou had three --- where you should hav had two
22:12.29Tekcubah, thankies
22:12.39CIA-1703neronix * r1837 10NanoStats/NanoStats.lua:
22:12.39CIA-17NanoStats
22:12.39CIA-17- Forgot to uncomment debug messages
22:13.21NeronixEr, comment even
22:14.40ckknightI guess I should make an SVN dir for FuBarPlugin, now that it is "independant"
22:14.46Neronixcladhaire: It's a nice little trick. Instead of having to delete/retype the comment block characters, you just add/remove a 3rd - to the start
22:15.19cladhaire*nod* i use it lots of places =)
22:20.17Tekcubckk, question... ugh...
22:20.32Tekcubmail's thowing a "No iconFrame found" error
22:20.44Tekcuband I can't for the life of me figure out why
22:20.50ckknightme either
22:21.03ckknightI should look at your code
22:21.12ckknightI do want to fix it
22:21.32Neronixk, I think NS is "done"
22:21.35Neronixtime for NSFu!
22:21.49CIA-1703tekkub * r1838 10FuBar_MailFu/Core.lua: FuBar_MailFu - Converted to 1.2 (but doesn't work with latest FuBar ATM...)
22:21.59Tekcubthere ya go, the old version did it too with latest fu tho
22:22.20ckknightI want to get the old one working
22:22.26ckknightthus fixing bugs, theoretically
22:22.34NeronixOne question! Would any of you want BOTH the normal NS display and the Fu display at the same time?
22:22.46ckknightprobably not
22:22.58CIA-1703tekkub * r1839 10FuBar_CorkFu/ClassMage.lua: FuBar_CorkFu - Moved Mage Armor in with Ice/Frost armor, since they are all mutually-exclusive
22:23.07Tekcubwell get both working :)
22:23.15ckknight*hint, use the newl FuBarPlugin, with optional FuBar support, it's shiny*
22:23.17Neronixplease say no. It'll result in a better product :P
22:23.20Tekcubbut it's now converted to 1.2 either way
22:23.26ckknightyea
22:23.27ckknightI want to
22:23.36Tekcubactually with Mail I probably will
22:23.47Tekcubthen it can be a standalone MM icon if it wants to be
22:23.54ckknightthat's cool
22:23.56ckknightnot everything should
22:23.59ckknightbut some should
22:24.01ckknightQuestFu
22:24.04ckknightetc.
22:24.11ckknightyou can't be LoD if you are
22:24.14ckknightthat's the only downside
22:24.15Tekcubyea, stuff like mail, aspect, tracker should be
22:24.25TekcubI don't do LoD anyway
22:24.38Tekcubthey loose position on me when I error still
22:24.52Tekcubso I just said fuck it
22:25.12ckknightyou should release LoD
22:25.12Tekcubyou should give us some sort of api to set the order of all our plugins or something
22:25.17ckknightthere is
22:25.20ckknightbut only for defaults
22:25.28TekcubI mean on a per-user basis
22:25.31Tekcub*hrm*
22:25.40ckknightFUBAR_DEFAULTS or FUBAR_DEFAULTS_<CLASS>
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22:25.49Tekcublike give the user some ui to set where they want their defaults to be
22:25.55ckknightyou set it, then FuBar will inherit if there is no DB
22:26.07Tekcuband then they can easily reset to it on a new alt if they want
22:26.08ckknightit's for compilations, thought
22:26.10ckknightthough*
22:26.22Tekcubor if they're a dev that fucks up their order frequently
22:26.29ckknightI don't want to mess with the profile system
22:26.34Tekcubyea
22:26.36ckknightI want Ace2 to get worked on
22:26.37Tekcubhrm...
22:26.41ckknightthen I'll convert to that
22:27.01TekcubI guess I'll look into this FUBAR_DEFAULTS thing for myself then
22:27.20Tekcubcause I want to override the builtin defaults on not-my-plugins
22:27.44ckknightokay
22:28.13ckknightFuBar has the default FUBAR_DEFAULTS at the top of the FuBar.lua
22:28.20TekcubI need to tweak Mail's settings for dewdrop too... bluh
22:28.30Tekcubokey
22:29.14Tekcuboh nice, me likey allready ^^
22:29.46ckknightdewdrop?
22:29.51ckknightoh yea
22:29.55ckknightwell, it's easy
22:29.55ckknight:-P
22:30.35Tekcubthe raido buttons
22:31.02Tekcubfor the text display since it's two-part
22:34.56ckknight?
22:35.37ckknightokay, it seems that MailFu's self.frame is being set to MailFrame
22:36.26ckknightman
22:36.37ckknightI _really_ wish lua could have properties
22:36.56ckknightoh
22:36.58ckknightI know why
22:37.00ckknight"my bad"
22:38.10Tekcubwhat's valid option for attachpoint, "TOP", "BOTTOM" and "DETACHED"?
22:38.28ckknight"NONE"
22:39.54Tekcubah
22:41.36CIA-1703ckknight * r1840 10FuBar/ (FuBarPlugin.lua compat-1.0.lua): FuBar - changed plugin frame creation logic.
22:41.40ckknighttada
22:41.45ckknightMailFu w/ 1.0 works
22:41.52ckknightgranted, keep updating to 1.2
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22:45.50ckknighthey Amadeo-
22:45.59Amadeo-hola ckknight
22:46.01ckknightyou were right, FuBar's getting updates
22:46.13Amadeo-Are you kidding? The author hardly ever updates, I don't believe you :)
22:46.55ckknight...
22:46.56ckknight:-P
22:47.16Amadeo-I remember once, I think I had to wait an HOUR for an update
22:47.19Amadeo-Man, I was pissed
22:47.46TainThe funny part is you're kidding.  Not everyone who says things like that are.
22:47.47[MoonWolf]that is unaccatable.
22:47.52Amadeo-Really?
22:47.56[MoonWolf]yes
22:48.05Amadeo-Yeah, I'm dripping sarcasm, but who would really be like that?
22:48.16[MoonWolf]addons should be perfect and authors can magically fix things by pressing buttons.
22:48.47Amadeo-Tain: Glad you pointed out I was kidding though, so nobody takes it the wrong way :)
22:49.08[MoonWolf]nobody would, idiots like that dont come in here
22:49.13[MoonWolf]and i get them out fast.
22:49.17Amadeo-haha
22:49.33[MoonWolf]i dont get to use kickban enough anyway
22:50.04[MoonWolf]the only ban on our channel isnt even by me
22:50.07[MoonWolf]but by tem.
22:50.10Amadeo-haha
22:50.19ckknightwho's that?
22:50.38ckknightthe banned person, I mean
22:50.45Amadeo-Looks like zeeg
22:50.56Amadeo-it's a nick ban
22:51.40[MoonWolf]its a zeeg ban
22:51.49Amadeo-hehe
22:51.55[MoonWolf]more of a token ban really
22:52.00[MoonWolf]he wouldt come in here anyway.
22:52.06[MoonWolf]not after the flaming he had here.
22:52.09Amadeo-Who coded the Ace selfcast addon?
22:52.54Gngskzeeg left wow I think
22:53.00TainI haven't layed into someone like that night zeeg popped up here in years.
22:53.01ckknighthe left wow after 2 weeks of playing
22:53.11ckknighthe left other aspects of wow just recently, though
22:53.19[MoonWolf]zeeg left the whole wow scene.
22:53.27ckknight...prick
22:53.31TainHe wasn't getting enough attention.
22:54.00[MoonWolf]It coincided with him being banned from wowi
22:54.13Amadeo-What did he do?
22:54.14Gngskdetails!
22:54.21cladhaireHe got banned from #cosmostesters too
22:54.29[MoonWolf]Insult ckknight's parent for no good reason.
22:54.34ckknighthe didn't show much respect
22:54.36ckknightyea, wtf
22:54.40ckknightmy fucking parents
22:54.45ckknighthe didn't know shit about em
22:54.55TainHe left #wowradio voluntarily though, oddly enough.
22:55.13TainOr whatever it was.  I popped in there once.
22:55.21Amadeo-Crazy :/ no need for that
22:55.31Tain~emulate zeeg
22:55.37purlanyone recommend some newer black people music... most people simply call it ni.. music
22:55.48Amadeo-ahh..
22:55.49TainThat's direct from him.
22:55.59ckknight~literal emulate zeeg
22:56.01purl"emulate zeeg" is "<reply> anyone recommend some newer black people music... most people simply call it ni.. music||<reply>i have no morals. im a business man||<reply> the only way you could make me like any of you is with $ ||<reply>  let me take this opportunity, to remind everyone, i dont give a shiit about rules"
22:56.01[MoonWolf]everything there is direct from him
22:56.01Amadeo-Well, glad I haven't met him :)
22:56.04ckknightthose are all quotes from him
22:56.19[MoonWolf]2 of those have been added by me.
22:56.40ckknighthe also showed little respect for copyright law
22:56.51Amadeo-Do you guys happen to know of an addon that automatically casts the correct buff/spell rank on a player according to their level?
22:57.06kergothi'm using cirk's addon for that, cant remember the name
22:57.19TainBuffing other people is against my religion.
22:57.39cladhaireAmadeo-: WatcHDog''ll do it with the click-casts,.
22:57.57cladhairestandalone cirk's is good
22:58.14Amadeo-cladhaire: I can't convince my girlfriend to use anything that looks different than the normal UI :P
22:58.22kergothaw
22:58.38Amadeo-so let me look for cirk's, is it an Ace addon?
22:58.41cladhairehaha
22:58.43cladhaireno
22:58.48cladhairejust go to wowi and search for cirk autorank
22:58.53cladhaireor either word
22:58.55Amadeo-ok :)
22:59.03Amadeo-thank yas
23:00.56kergothhttp://www.cafepress.com/thedailywtf.18615585
23:01.00Tekcubckk, you got documentation on how to make the defaults thing work somewhere?
23:01.12TekcubI'm being stuid and not making it happen I think
23:02.00ckknightTekcub, it only happens when your db is empty
23:02.11ckknighti.e. new
23:02.39[MoonWolf]nighte people
23:02.40kergoth~remulate
23:02.42purlSpace. It seems to go on and on forever. But then you get to the end and a gorilla starts throwing barrels at you.
23:02.43kergothnight moon
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23:04.11ckknighthow's it going, kergoth?
23:05.46Amadeo-hm
23:06.04Amadeo-so I'm using this TortoiseSVN thing...
23:06.12Amadeo-but it puts a hidden .svn directory within each directory
23:06.28kergothckknight: not bad, had a good weekend avoiding anything productive.  spent time with teh gf and actually /played/ some wow.  you?
23:06.32kergothheh
23:06.41ckknightwent to two graduations
23:06.51ckknightthe chairs were painful
23:06.53ckknightthat's about it
23:06.59cladhaireAmadeo-: Its supposed to.. thats how it does everything.
23:07.19CIA-1703maia * r1841 10Squishy/Squishy.xml: Squishy: added WatchDog ClickCast support (not fully tested yet)
23:07.44Amadeo-cladhaire: But when I copy the addon over, I have a lot more disk space being used due to them
23:07.53cladhaire*nod*
23:08.07Amadeo-:(
23:08.07ckknightnot that much
23:08.27CIA-1703maia * r1842 10Squishy/core.lua: Squishy: WatchDog ClickCast support (pt2)
23:08.46cladhaireMaia: Want me to test?
23:09.18ckknightwho is Maia?
23:09.24hastenot on IRC at least
23:09.29cladhairei dont know if they're on irc under any name
23:09.31cladhairei like to talk to myself tho
23:09.31hastemaybe it's cladhaire imaginary friend!
23:10.32CIA-1703ckknight * r1843 10FuBarPlugin-1.2/ (6 files in 2 dirs): FuBarPlugin-1.2 - split from FuBar.
23:13.01Amadeo-MetaMap 4.0 is buggy :(
23:13.16kergothmetamap is a beast, consuming every addon in its path
23:13.20Tainhaha
23:13.28kergothi liked it before he started absorbing everything
23:13.38Amadeo-it's good for noobs like me, that never knows where to go in an instance
23:13.47kergothi use atlas for that
23:13.47TainMetamap Katamari
23:13.57Amadeo-Katamari?
23:14.23TainYou don't know Katamari?!
23:14.36kergothgoogle is your friend
23:14.36Amadeo-nope :)
23:14.41TainKatamari Damacy is an incredibly fun game.
23:14.57Amadeo-ohhh
23:14.59Amadeo-I don't like consoles :(
23:15.38netcursewiiiiiiii
23:15.41netcurseftw
23:15.55ckknightyou're just saying that cause you're French
23:16.02ckknightbtw, hey, netcurse
23:16.04netcurseit sounds ok in french
23:16.10netcursehello :=
23:16.11netcurse:)
23:16.15Amadeo-If you could use a keyboard on all the consoles, for every game, I'd love em
23:16.22netcurseAmadeo
23:16.26netcurseread this article
23:16.29TainAh, that's what consoles are for, a different gaming experience.
23:16.31netcursehttp://www.curse-gaming.com/en/article-112-1-nintendos-wii-the-nunchuk-controller-and-the-possible-future-for-mmos.html
23:16.36netcurseand watch the 3 movies
23:16.41netcursethen pray at nintendo :)
23:16.44kergothAmadeo-: you could try out svk.  it doesnt use the .svn files for its checkouts, but it does mirror the upstream repository, with all history and everything, locally.  though even with that, its often a win wrt disk space.  see http://svk.elixus.org/?WhySVK for numbers
23:16.46ckknightI'd love to use the sword dealy on an MMO
23:16.57ckknightI think Nintendo's controller is super-pimp
23:17.04ckknightit's like we all have our own dildo to play with
23:17.15Amadeo-kergoth: I'll check that out, thanks :)
23:17.24kergothcourse its commandline ;)
23:17.59Amadeo-doesn't matter, haha
23:18.40Tainehn I'll pick up the Wii because of Super Smash Bros, I'm sure there will be other stuff to come along as well.
23:19.02Amadeo-I guess it's not the consoles that I dislike
23:19.20Amadeo-It's the single-player aspect
23:19.23netcursei ll buy a wii also
23:19.28netcursei want to play zelda
23:19.30Amadeo-When friends come over, we don't do consoles :(
23:19.31netcurselike in the e3 movie
23:19.45netcursezelda ocarina of time is >>>>>>>>>
23:19.56netcursenever experienced any better game so far :)
23:20.50TainOf course just like the GameCube I'm going to end up buying games for the Wii only if it's the only console it's available for.
23:21.11netcursehttp://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1075816309067622531&q=wii
23:21.30TainThe same title on mulitple consoles?  GC controller made it so that I bought it for the PS2 or Xbox instead.
23:23.36Amadeo-It's funny how PS3 is looking the worst of the three now
23:23.43GenNMX|ThraeDo you need to do anything special to a function to allow it to be called directly from a bound key?
23:24.36TainI dunno, I still don't think anything at all we're seeing from the Wii or PS3 right now matters one bit.
23:24.42TainWhen the games come out, that's when it'll matter.
23:25.09GenNMX|ThraeMicrosoft's Stance on the Wii: "Why not make the Wii your second console, after the 360?"
23:25.11Amadeo-I love Nintendo as a company, so I always want them to come out ahead
23:25.15ckknightof the 3 machines, I'll likely be getting a Wii
23:25.25TainI love any company that provides me with entertainment.
23:25.28ckknightif I get it at all
23:25.29GenNMX|ThraeSony's Stance on the Wii: "Why not make the Wii your second console, after the 36--I mean PS3?"
23:25.32TainSo if Nintendo does it, all the better!
23:25.59netcursewhen you have plaed mmo it s hard to get entertained by a solo game
23:26.03Amadeo-I dunno if you'll have time, ckknight
23:26.03TainNah.
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23:26.17TainI still play plenty of console games, both single player and multiplyar.
23:26.17ckknightyea, I like my 30 hour a day shifts
23:26.18Amadeo-:)
23:26.18netcurseexept some very good console game :p
23:26.23GenNMX|ThraeI think Microsoft and Sony said it best -- the Wii kinda fits all age groups, all genres.
23:26.41GenNMX|ThraeWhile the Sony and 360 fanbase is usually pretty split.
23:26.49Amadeo-That's weird, they're supporting the Wii?
23:26.49TainThe Wii is fluffly clouds and unicorns.  
23:26.52GenNMX|ThraeP3 and 360 fanbase, that is.
23:26.59Amadeo-I guess they're afraid Nintendo will die out
23:27.03GenNMX|ThraeAmadeo-: Yes, both companies are.
23:27.07Amadeo-Never seen that before
23:27.09TemMicrosoft and Nintendo are teaming up to bash Sony for the price of the PS3
23:27.15Amadeo-haha
23:27.21ckknightthe price is a big selling point
23:27.27Amadeo-"Why buy a PS3? Get a 360 and a Wii for less!"
23:27.28Amadeo-rofl
23:27.36GenNMX|ThraeAmadeo-: Um, you obviously don't know that Nintendo is the only one of the three making a profit off their video game sales, right?
23:27.38Temthey came together to say something like "We want you to buy a Wii AND a 360 for the same price as a PS3"
23:27.53Amadeo-GenNMX|Thrae: They all make profits, just not initially on a new console
23:27.57Temit was humorous
23:28.03Temanyway, food time for Tem
23:28.14GenNMX|ThraeAmadeo-: No, Microsoft and Sony both operate at a loss when selling consoles, accessories, etc.
23:28.36GenNMX|ThraeIE, their main console department operates at a loss. Nintendo's operates at a profit.
23:28.38Amadeo-By video game sales did you mean consoles?
23:28.57GenNMX|ThraeLemme get the recent article back up again...
23:29.03TainThe main consoles, I don't think accessories (extra controllers, memory cards, etc.)
23:29.06netcursenintendo is very very rich :)
23:29.13netcursethey said they can fail over 7 consoles
23:29.15netcursegeneration
23:29.16TainSony and Microsoft are very very rich.
23:29.27Amadeo-I'm very very poor
23:29.29netcurseSony no :> microsoft yes
23:29.39Amadeo-brb
23:29.59netcursesony was in the red for a long time i see
23:30.02netcursethink*
23:30.25Amadeo-Kind of funny how the PlayStation got started in the first place
23:30.48netcurseBTW : http://forums.curse-gaming.com/showthread.php?p=25071#post25071 sell all your librams before this get spreaded :D
23:30.48Amadeo-Nintendo hired Sony to make that SNES CD attachment, then they decided they didn't want it anymore...but the R&D was already done
23:30.55Amadeo-So Sony made their own
23:31.00Amadeo-or at least, that's what I've heard :)
23:31.00ckknightI need to split FuBarUtils from FuBar
23:31.16TainThey also worked with 3DO first but decided against throwing in completely with their system.
23:31.31cladhaireNeoGeo > all
23:31.38TainHad a NeoDuo. :)
23:31.58cladhairemmm. Sega Master
23:32.01Amadeo-NeoGeo is damn expensive
23:32.13Amadeo-I think they even released a new game for it somewhat recently (within the last couple years)
23:32.17GenNMX|ThraeAmadeo-: http://forum.pcvsconsole.com/viewthread.php?tid=11760&page=5
23:32.19cladhairewasn't NG the first 64 bit system?
23:32.24TainNeoGeo did introduce me to the wondrous world of multiplayer Bomberman!
23:33.11TainI don't know if NG was 64 bit, I don't remember that.  But possible!  I know Atari did their big 64bit marketing campaign for the Lynx.
23:34.28GenNMX|ThraeProfits -- Microsoft: $2.5 million, Sony: $1.5 million, Nintendo: $814 million
23:34.29cladhairelol
23:34.43TainOf course the majority of those profits are from Nintendo's handhelds.
23:35.11GenNMX|ThraeTrue, but Sony has the PSP, and Microsoft...uhh...has WinCE
23:35.27TainI very much like my PSP.
23:35.43GenNMX|ThraeNintendo DS for me. Backwards compatibility FTW!
23:36.08TainI almost bought a DS, but I have my GBA SP and when I picked up the PSP I was sold.
23:36.10GenNMX|ThraeXBOX 360 w/ no XBOX Hardware Emulator == BOOOO
23:37.01GenNMX|ThraeWii w/ multiple hardware emulators, including (but not limited to) N64 and GameCube == YEAH!
23:38.15GenNMX|ThraeActually I'm not sure if Wii has a hardware emulator for GameCube or its actual hardware...I'd guess the former even though Nintendo's backwards compatibility in the past has been just adding hardware to a unit.
23:38.28GenNMX|ThraeWii's specs are pretty different then a GameCube, I think.
23:38.42TainNintendo's never had backwards compatability except for Gameboys.
23:38.47CIA-1703ckknight * r1844 10FuBar-compat-1.0/ (6 files in 2 dirs): FuBar-compat-1.0 - split FuBar-compat-1.0 from FuBar.
23:38.51hastenetcurse: they said that they will use the librams for something else. I vote for keeping it ;)
23:39.11GenNMX|ThraeTain: Of course, because they kept changing cartridge medium types.
23:39.26CIA-1703ckknight * r1845 10FuBar-compat-1.0/ (FuBar-compat-1.0.toc Lib/FuBar-compat-1.0.lua README.txt): FuBar-compat-1.0 - updated svn:keywords
23:40.15GenNMX|ThraeAs for the PSP...if I had extra money, I'd probably buy it, but I can't justify it when I have a laptop.
23:40.15ckknightwhat chips is Wii using?
23:40.38GenNMX|ThraeSome type of proprietary PowerPC, lemme check
23:40.57CIA-1703ckknight * r1846 10FuBarPlugin-1.2/FuBarPlugin-1.2.toc: FuBarPlugin-1.2 - added FuBar to OptionalDeps.
23:41.35TainHere's a comparison from last year, dunno if the hardware has changed.   http://arstechnica.com/articles/paedia/hardware/revolution.ars
23:41.57TainWell actually since the Nintendo stuff has a lot of "unknown" I'm sure it has. :)
23:41.58CIA-1703ckknight * r1847 10FuBar-compat-1.0/README.txt: FuBar-compat-1.0 - updated README.txt
23:42.16CIA-1703ckknight * r1848 10FuBarPlugin-1.2/README.txt: FuBarPlugin-1.2 - updated README.txt
23:42.56GenNMX|Thraehttp://www.xbitlabs.com/news/multimedia/display/20060509235818.html
23:43.03GenNMX|ThraeThey just released the information during E3
23:44.37ckknighthow does WoW handle circular dependencies?
23:45.07GenNMX|Thraeckknight: For mods or frames?
23:45.13ckknightmods
23:45.40ckknightbasically, will it error?
23:45.50ckknightor will it load one, then the other?
23:45.52GenNMX|ThraeHmm, that's a good question, I'm not sure.
23:45.53ckknightI don't care about order
23:45.54cladhairethey shouldn't exist =)
23:46.08cladhairebut they should resolve intelligently, as long as there's a resolution.
23:46.11ckknightcladhaire, what about OptionalDep for one and a Dependency for the other?
23:46.20ckknightor both OptionalDeps
23:46.26cladhaireall optionaldeps does is enforce load order
23:46.37cladhairedependency does the same, but prevents loading when necessary
23:46.54GenNMX|ThraeI can't think of a logical situation where you could have two mods dependant on each other...
23:46.54cladhairedo you have an example cooked up?
23:47.02cladhaireme neither =)
23:47.24ckknightFuBar has an optional dep on FuBarPlugin-1.2 and FuBarPlugin-1.2 has an optional dep for FuBar
23:47.37cladhairewhy?
23:47.48ckknightbecause FuBar currently includes FuBarPlugin-1.2
23:48.01cladhaireSo it doesn't matter if the standalone FuBarPlugin is loaded.
23:48.06cladhaireunless you're doing something weird with your libraries.
23:48.07ckknightbut if it's available as a plugin, then it should check that
23:48.26ckknighthrm, I guess I don't actually need it
23:48.27ckknightmeh
23:48.32ckknightI was just wondering
23:48.38GenNMX|ThraeFuBarPlugin can be a plugin itself?
23:48.52cladhaireit should handle most dependencies, but circular dependencies really shouldn't exist.
23:49.46ckknighthey Cairenn
23:49.53Cairennhey
23:49.57ckknightcladhaire, but will it error or will it run one right after the other?
23:50.11GenNMX|ThraeI'm still confused -- in what situations could you have FuBarPlugin without FuBar, and in what situations could you have FuBar without FuBarPlugin?
23:50.25ckknightFuBarPlugin can exist without FuBar now
23:50.29cladhaireckknight: I dont know.. I dont know that anyone's tested it other than the ususal suspects
23:50.31cladhaireYes, I understand that.
23:50.38cladhairebut you're adding a dependency you don't need
23:50.50cladhaireif FuBarPlugin exists.. it doesn't MATTER as far as FuBar should be concerned.
23:51.00ckknightbut I want to make sure that loaded before the plugins
23:51.44GenNMX|Thraeckknight: Then why not have the plugins dependant on FuBarPlugin?
23:51.57cladhaireWell, there's no way to have a dependency for your plugins that makes sense.. since its TWO optionals.. which means it could load without entirely
23:51.58cladhairewhich is bad.
23:52.02ckknightthey either need to be dependant on FuBar _or_ FuBarPlugin
23:52.06cladhaireyou can't do that.
23:52.14cladhaireunfortunately
23:52.21ckknightI'm gonna see if it errors
23:52.24ckknightand in what order
23:52.57cladhaireYou may have to rethink your arch
23:53.11ckknightsays you
23:53.19cladhaire..
23:53.20ckknightthis is about ordering
23:53.22cladhaireyou dont have to be a dick
23:53.25cladhairei said you migh thave to
23:53.26cladhairefuck you
23:53.29cladhairelol
23:53.34ckknightI'm not trying to be a dick
23:53.41ckknightI just want to see the order
23:53.45GenNMX|ThraeWhy are FuBar and FuBarPlugin seperated if FuBar has the functionality of FuBarPlugin? Why not make it like Addons/FuBar/FuBarPlugin and patch that directory?
23:53.49ckknightI know it'll work fine without the circular dependency
23:54.24ckknightGenNMX|Thrae, that's kinda how it is now
23:54.27cladhaireIf you're not concerned with NOT having a dependency (ther'es no way to say be depedent on THIS OR THIS).. then double optionals will ensure the order you want.
23:54.30ckknightbut it also has the ability to be separate
23:54.37ckknightoh
23:54.37ckknightokay
23:54.39GenNMX|ThraeIf FuBarPlugin is downloaded seperately, it'll also download FuBar.toc which ONLY loads FuBarPlugin
23:54.41ckknightthat's all I wanted, cladhaire
23:55.01ckknightGenNMX|Thrae, hrm?
23:55.11cladhaireckknight: That's what I have you a while back =)  Optionals purely enforce order.. so you can have the plugin optdep on BOTH, and then have fuBar optdep on fubarplugin
23:55.25cladhaireit'll still yell if they dont have either dep tho, so authors will have to code for that.
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23:55.45cladhaireprobably best to give them some basic code to run that check.
23:55.49ckknightwell, FuBar includes FuBarPlugin
23:55.52ckknightv1.2
23:56.10cladhaireAye, but lets say I download JUST FuClock, without FuBar or FuPlugin
23:56.18ckknightit won't work
23:56.23cladhaire*nod*
23:56.25cladhairethat's what i'm saying
23:56.30ckknightwhich is what I want
23:56.33cladhaireyou should have some basic code at the top of the plugin to fail intelligently
23:56.35ckknightunless you have FuBarPlugin as an embedded lib
23:56.36cladhairesince the users wont have any indications
23:56.48cladhairethey no longer have the dependency disabled on the addon screen, etc.
23:56.58GenNMX|Thraeckknight: Well, say you don't have FuBar but DO have FuBarPlugin. FuBarPLugin would go in Addons/FuBar/FuBarPlugin and give an "empty" FuBar to go in /Addons/FuBar with the prober TOC.
23:57.05ckknightwell, FuClock will either depend on FuBar or it'll use FuBarPlugin as an embed
23:57.32cladhaireckknight: Ok, so where does the dependency issue with FuBarPlugin as a standalone addon come in?
23:57.41ckknightI don't think there is an issue
23:57.58ckknightGenNMX|Thrae, there won't be an empty FuBar
23:58.04cladhaireok
23:58.33ckknightI just want FuBar and FuBarPlugin-1.2 to be loaded next to each other if both exist
23:58.38GenNMX|Thraeckknight: There would be if you have FuBarPlugin but not FuBar...
23:58.49ckknightGenNMX|Thrae, no there wouldn't
23:59.11ckknightplugins will either depend on FuBar or use FuBarPlugin as an embed
23:59.21ckknightthose are the only two situations
23:59.29ckknighthaving FuBarPlugin-1.2 as a standalone is not common
23:59.40cladhaireWell thats why I get confused by the question.
23:59.52GenNMX|ThraeEmbedded or Standalone?
23:59.57ckknightworks as both

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