irclog2html for #wowace on 20060418

00:02.00MikmaTain: http://ace.pastebin.com/666209
00:02.28Temcladhaire: did you ask them what they meant?
00:02.44cladhaireTem: What who meant what why?
00:02.58Mikmai myself use that to hide the borders from blizzards default buttons, and it works nicely with CardBars. i can set the spacing to 0 with that :)
00:03.00Temabout catalyst dependency line somewhere
00:03.25Temalso, I require an opinion
00:03.36cladhairemy raid leader just referred to our raid as a "shit-fuck-ton of DPS"
00:03.49Temtake them to Vael
00:04.01Mikma:D
00:04.02cladhaireconvenient.. we're on Vael =)
00:04.06Tem:)
00:04.13Temthat's what we're going to be doing in a bit
00:04.16MikmaVael is a good way to test guilds dps ;)
00:04.34Temwe got him to 2% last night with only 3 priests
00:04.37Temwe were impressed
00:04.48TemAND a bad tank transition
00:05.50Mikmawe got lucky on chromaggus today, got ignite flest + frost burn, was able to down him with 35
00:06.24Mikmas\flest\flesh
00:06.31Jagobahanyone here progress in AQ?
00:07.14Mikmawell we managed to clear AG20 2 days after the opening and now we have downed 1st boss on AQ40
00:07.38Mikmathis week has been really quiet because everyone's on holidays, and our guild managed to open AQ on last week :P
00:07.47JagobahOur guild's on the Twin Emps, was wondering if anyone else was :O
00:08.08Mikmahmm otravi has downed them
00:08.15Mikma(by himself, yes)
00:08.27TainI solod twin Emps
00:10.00CodayusMy pet soled twin emps.
00:10.20Codayus(Sorry, it just seemed the logical progression.)
00:11.22hyperChipmunkmy Lil' Smokey soloed twin emps
00:12.52Codayushmmm.  not sure how to trump that.
00:13.06hyperChipmunkvictory is mine
00:13.11CodayusI soloed twin emps as a pre 1.10 holy priest!  :-P
00:13.18hyperChipmunk>8O
00:13.25Mikmai haxxed them and got their loot without killing. yeh
00:13.33Codayuslol
00:14.10Codayusna, I think lil' smokey is better
00:17.58Temmy parot mini-pet from the deadmines soloed the twin emps
00:18.35Temmy murky/mini-diably/panda/battle chicken soloed the twin emps
00:18.38Tekkubme White Kitten solo'd your parrot
00:20.12MikmaDisgusting Oozeling ftw :)
00:20.26hyperChipmunkwoot
00:20.26hyperChipmunkin av
00:20.33hyperChipmunkawesome
00:20.38hyperChipmunkI've got even less info now =(
00:20.39TainRSS feeds for torrent sites is my new happy.
00:20.59TemhyperChipmunk:  :(
00:21.38ckknightlrdd ingo?
00:21.44ckknightless info?*
00:21.51TainOreo cookie sculpture!  Awesome!  http://www.technospudprojects.com/Projects/oreo2004/sculptures.htm
00:22.08hyperChipmunknah, just same info, but there's less of it in this battle =)
00:22.45ckknighthrm
00:22.53hyperChipmunkgimme a bit to hack on it
00:22.59hyperChipmunkeasily possible i'm doing it wring
00:25.32Mikmahttp://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=20769
00:33.25hyperChipmunkargh
00:33.31hyperChipmunkI totally suck
00:37.37*** join/#wowace banditron (n=bandito@cpe-67-9-143-58.austin.res.rr.com)
00:39.32hyperChipmunkboss, I'm sorry; I just don't get how I'm supposed to extract these
00:40.16hyperChipmunkI can do it, but I'm certain that there's a way it should be done
00:40.24hyperChipmunkand it's not the way I'm doing it =P
00:42.37JagobahOkay another noob question.  Is there a way to get a spell's cooldown by that spell's name, or is there a function I can hook into http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetSpellCooldown to get the spell's spellID ?
00:46.24hyperChipmunkk
00:46.37hyperChipmunkcompost makes this table:
00:48.07hyperChipmunk{"name", "Dun Baldar North bunker", "ypos", 0.14774397015572, "defender", "Alliance", false, "isDestroyed"}
00:48.50hyperChipmunknow how do I get the name without doing something that would totally nullify whatever point it was to put them that way in the first place
00:52.02cladhaire~stab cladhaire
00:52.04purlACTION runs at cladhaire with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut.
00:52.14hyperChipmunk~huzzah purl
00:52.41cladhaire~botsnack
00:52.41purlaw, gee, cladhaire
00:52.58Cairenn~whaleblock cladhaire
00:53.00purlACTION shields cladhaire with a freakishly huger whale named ollywag
00:54.27cladhaireALl I have to say is:
00:54.27cladhaire(8:52:41 PM) Iriel: I can assure you you'll never find satisfaction beyond knowing that Miravlix believes he is never wrong, or imprecise, or irrelevant.
00:54.27cladhaire(8:53:18 PM) cladhaire: I've gathered that much.. but I see less ignorance from the "ZOMG G15 LCD" threads in the forums.. I come here to relax god damnit =)
00:54.28cladhaire(8:53:52 PM) Iriel: Amen to that.
00:54.52TainOh that reminds me, there's no G15 thread on the front page.
00:56.04cladhaire=)
00:56.04cladhairescoot!
00:56.05cladhairego post!
00:57.32Cairenncladhaire: pms? or ... when/where did he say that?
00:57.54cladhaireThat was in pm's.
00:58.02Cairenn*nod*
00:58.03Cairennfigured
00:58.04cladhaireso keep it ssh =)
00:58.06TainOh I thought you were asking if cladhaire had pms and well..
00:58.07cladhaireuntil purl eats it =)
00:58.31Cairennanything you don't want purl to eat, whitespace it
01:00.29Cairenn~logs
01:00.30purlapt/ibot/jbot/purl all log to http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/ where channelname is html encoded ie: %23debian | lines that start with a space are not shown | some channels have stats at http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz, or updated "nightly"
01:02.33cladhaireCIA is up and working by tnhe way.. we're just waiting for CIA-13 to rejoin us =)
01:02.34cladhairehttp://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/Ace
01:02.49hyperChipmunkyay
01:17.22hyperChipmunkckknight: you around?
01:30.56hyperChipmunkyay, I got it to work
01:45.57Tem|Vaelugh, 3%
01:46.42Tem|Vaelwe have this weak link pally that has an agro problem
01:47.01Tem|Vaelhe managed to turn vael on the MT healer group
01:47.10Tem|Vaelso... we lost them *instantly*
01:50.50Tem|Vaelthe fact that we made it to 3% with such a shitty start indicates to me that we totally had him that run
01:51.30cladhaire=)
01:51.34cladhaireyou've gotten him down before, right?
01:51.40Tem|Vaelaye
01:51.52Tem|Vaelwe're using the UBRS Fr buff
01:51.56Tem|Vaelbecause it's f'ing pimp
01:52.13Tem|Vael80% of the raid is at or above 315 FR
01:52.56hyperChipmunkI have 5 fr /flex
01:53.45cladhaireWe dont need the FR buff.. and we have no lag.. but we just can't get him down
01:53.58cladhairewe have a metric ass-ton of DPS and healing.. so i dunno whats up
02:01.18hyperChipmunkhmm
02:01.25hyperChipmunkhow much is that in Imperial units?
02:03.32cladhairegood question
02:03.34cladhairelemme google.
02:03.54cladhairehttp://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=one+metric+add+load+in+imperial+units&btnG=Google+Search =(
02:03.59cladhaireit can't convert
02:08.05Tain~convert ass-ton metric to pounds
02:08.17Tain" Unknown unit `ass'
02:08.50hyperChipmunkheheh
02:09.23Tain~convert 1 ass-ton to pounds
02:09.29TainNope.
02:10.25Tekkubwewt!  got slash command and user-set notes added to Engravings
02:10.33hyperChipmunkhi tek
02:11.22Tekkubhi chipper
02:15.06cladhairewill it heal my raid for me?
02:15.24hyperChipmunkthat's the spirit
02:15.35hyperChipmunkdoes it speed up my zoning times?
02:16.18TainI got banned for using slash commands.
02:24.54Tem|Vaelslash commands are amaturish
02:28.20cladhaire~emulate saien
02:28.22purlWhy do I care? Why are you posting here?
02:29.27cladhairenight all
02:35.39Tem|Vaeloh balls
02:35.49Tem|Vaelsomeone ninja pulled Vael
02:35.57hyperChipmunkrofl
02:35.57Tem|Vaelafter 20 minutes doing UBRS buff
02:36.01kergothyay home
02:36.04hyperChipmunk'oh balls'
02:36.36Tem|Vaelwell... that was my initial reaction
02:37.59kergothcladhaire: emailed them about moving cia
02:41.47CodayusOn a related note:
02:41.51CodayusAlcatraz: Make sure you get your quest from Vael!
02:41.51CodayusRandom Guildy: He has a quest?
02:41.51CodayusKrom: STOP!
02:41.51Codayus*Vael event starts*
02:41.58CodayusKrom: :-(
02:42.55CodayusThat actually happened to someone I know...  Gullible people FTL, I guess.  :-P
02:49.01ckknightback
02:49.17hyperChipmunk~wb ckknight
02:49.34hyperChipmunkboo
02:49.38hyperChipmunk~wb
02:49.39purlthx
02:49.43hyperChipmunkhehe
02:49.47ckknightoh
02:49.57ckknightI must've done Acquire() instead of AcquireHash()
02:50.02hyperChipmunkO_o
02:50.03ckknightto your previous problem
02:50.06hyperChipmunkincidentally
02:50.48hyperChipmunkthat's what both tekkub and I came up with as a solution =P
02:50.56ckknightlol
02:51.03hyperChipmunkit seemed to me to be easier to do that than figure out how to get a value from that
02:51.38TekkubI've used Acquire instead of AcquireHash a few times already myself
02:51.47ckknightyea...
02:51.57hyperChipmunkI couldn't figure out for the life of me a way to get the value out that wouldn't eliminate whatever advantage you had in mind for putting it flat like that in the first place
02:51.59Tekkubit's confusing till you notice the error
02:52.15ckknightnow that that is fixed, what problems do you have?
02:52.31hyperChipmunknone in AV
02:52.40hyperChipmunkab i'm still getting errors cuz it's choking on my ttv code
02:52.50hyperChipmunkbut I'm reasonably confident it works otherwise
02:53.00ckknightfix that!
02:53.07ckknightpreferably before server shutdown
02:53.16hyperChipmunkttv is experimental anyways
02:53.37hyperChipmunkeven if I got the function working, I know for a fact that the values on wowwiki are wrong
02:53.46hyperChipmunkbecause I tried it previously
02:54.07ckknighthrm
02:54.11hyperChipmunkso I'll just cut the code out for now and make sure everythings all snazzy for the release
02:54.17ckknightokay
02:54.24ckknightmy guild is pissing me off
02:54.26ckknight...
02:55.02hyperChipmunkalso makign a change to eliminate the need for the NodeToPOI function
02:55.12hyperChipmunkit's up there in one of tek's pastebins
02:55.44ckknightlink
02:56.51hyperChipmunkhttp://ace.pastebin.com/666415
03:01.16kergothhmmm
03:01.24ckknightdon't assume compost, hyperChipmunk
03:01.30ckknightpeople may use it outside of FuBar
03:03.13hyperChipmunkI don't think I do
03:03.15hyperChipmunkin fact
03:03.20hyperChipmunkI assume not-compost
03:03.26hyperChipmunkand let you add in the compost stuff =P
03:03.31ckknightthe link you sent me
03:03.47hyperChipmunkthere was a 'compost and'
03:03.49ckknightit has just the compost:AcquireHash() without the regular one
03:03.57ckknightor
03:03.58ckknightmy bad
03:03.59ckknightlol
03:04.01hyperChipmunki thought it was compost and compost:Ac..
03:04.04hyperChipmunkk
03:05.02hyperChipmunkthat highlighted line turns all the GetFoo functions into one liners, which I like =)
03:05.09hyperChipmunke.g. return self.battlefieldObjectiveStatus[poi].name or self.battlefieldObjectiveStatusNodes[poi].name
03:05.20hyperChipmunker, [node] for those =P
03:06.24ckknightand if self.battlefieldObjectiveStatus[poi] is nil?
03:07.34Tem|Vael*facepalm* @ other channel
03:08.05ckknightyea
03:08.06hyperChipmunkthen you get self.battlefieldObjectiveStatusNodes[poi]
03:08.12ckknightdoes he not know what an lvalue is?
03:08.12hyperChipmunkno?
03:08.21ckknightno.
03:08.28hyperChipmunkphooey
03:08.40ckknightI know how to solve all your problems, btw
03:08.43Tem|Vaelno, more that the discussion is even going on
03:08.49hyperChipmunkhang myself? =(
03:09.07ckknightno, you haven't rolled a low enough value to draw the suicide card
03:10.18ckknighthttp://ace.pastebin.com/666467
03:10.22ckknighttake a look at that
03:10.39ckknightthat way, you can do self.battlefieldObjectiveStatus[node or poi].name
03:11.46hyperChipmunkoh aha
03:12.14hyperChipmunkwait..
03:13.17hyperChipmunkhm
03:13.46hyperChipmunkbut I only get one value
03:13.49hyperChipmunkoh
03:13.58hyperChipmunkhm
03:14.50hyperChipmunkself.battlefieldObjectiveStatus[node or self:NodeToPOI(node)] ?
03:15.35hyperChipmunkI don't see where the poi is coming from
03:15.49ckknightyou obviously don't catch on quickly
03:15.59hyperChipmunkthat's not nice
03:16.03ckknight...
03:16.05ckknightI know
03:16.12ckknightself.battlefieldObjectiveStatus[node] is the same as self.battlefieldObjectiveStatus[poi]
03:16.22ckknightas long as poi is the node's poi
03:16.44hyperChipmunkwe don't pass in poi though
03:16.47hyperChipmunkwe pass in node
03:16.51ckknightyea
03:16.52hyperChipmunkwhich can be a poi # or a name
03:16.58ckknightso just use self.battlefieldObjectiveStatus[node]
03:17.08hyperChipmunkright
03:17.12ckknighteither way, they both exist
03:17.13hyperChipmunkthat makes sense
03:17.31ckknightit's like doing l = { a = 'b', b = 'a' }
03:17.36ckknightsort of
03:17.41ckknighterr
03:17.43hyperChipmunknono, it makes sense that way
03:17.50ckknightl = { a = 'b', [1] = 'b' }
03:17.58hyperChipmunkyes, I know what you mean
03:17.59ckknightwhere 1 refers to 'a' as well
03:18.02ckknightokay
03:18.07hyperChipmunkI just didn't get where [node or poi] came in
03:18.12hyperChipmunksince it's just [node]
03:18.15ckknightit was a way to explain
03:18.20ckknightyou can put in either node or poi
03:18.23hyperChipmunkk, I thought that was code =P
03:18.30hyperChipmunkand it confused the crap out of me
03:18.43hyperChipmunkthat makes much more sense
03:19.07ckknightlol
03:19.08ckknightmeep.
03:19.11hyperChipmunkrofl
03:19.15hyperChipmunkmeeps?
03:19.35hyperChipmunkcan you do that? /pulls out his IRC Handbook
03:19.50Cairennof course I can, I just did!
03:20.10Cairenndon't you know what it is to meep?
03:20.11hyperChipmunkit might be a penalizable offense
03:20.24Cairennoh spank me baby
03:20.29hyperChipmunkyou might have to spend some time in the Sin Bin
03:20.49ckknighthard
03:21.00ckknightlittle too deep
03:21.02ckknightbacking out
03:21.05Cairennhehehe
03:21.59Cairennhave you never seen The Muppet Show, with the Swedish chef? And Beaker? Beaker would meep
03:22.09hyperChipmunkwtf
03:22.15ckknightneeber scheeber.
03:22.18hyperChipmunkI'm young
03:22.20ckknightschneeber*
03:22.20hyperChipmunkbut not that young
03:22.27ckknightyou don't know Beaker?
03:22.32hyperChipmunkof course I do
03:22.33kergothhehe, yay beaker
03:22.36Cairennsee? ckknight knows beaker
03:22.40hyperChipmunkBunson's sidekick
03:22.41Cairennbeaker meeped, remember?
03:22.46ckknightyea, and I'm younger than you
03:22.51ckknight~emulate beeker
03:22.55ckknight~emulate Beaker
03:23.03ckknightthat needs to be fixed
03:23.05hyperChipmunk=(
03:23.09hyperChipmunk~emulate swedish chef
03:23.14hyperChipmunkoh man
03:23.17ckknightpurl, emulate Beaker is <action>meeps
03:23.18purlokay, ckknight
03:23.22hyperChipmunkwe have some work to do
03:23.23ckknight~emulate Beaker
03:23.25purlACTION meeps
03:23.26Cairenn<PROTECTED>
03:23.28purl...but emulate beaker is already something else...
03:23.47hyperChipmunkyea, cairenn
03:23.50hyperChipmunkstop trying to confuse purl
03:23.56ckknighthttp://www.savethechildren.org.uk/temp/scuk/cache/cmsattach/1209_SwedishChef2.jpg
03:24.04Tekkubpurl, emulate Beaker is <action>meeps|...
03:24.05purl...but emulate beaker is already something else...
03:24.11Tekkubpurl, no emulate Beaker is <action>meeps|...
03:24.13purlokay, Tekkub
03:24.13Cairenndon't
03:24.15Cairennlol
03:24.32Tekkub:P
03:24.36hyperChipmunk~emulate beaker
03:24.38purlACTION meeps|...
03:24.52hyperChipmunkexcellent
03:24.56hyperChipmunknow it makes no sense at all
03:25.13ckknightpurl, emulate swedish chef is <reply> Yorn desh born, der ritt de gitt der gue, Orn desh, dee born desh, de umn børk! børk! børk!
03:25.14purli'm not going to learn illegal characters, ckknight
03:25.19ckknightdamn
03:25.20hyperChipmunkROFL
03:25.21Cairennpurl, no emulate Beaker is <action> meeps
03:25.22purlCairenn: okay
03:25.28ckknightpurl, emulate swedish chef is <reply> Yorn desh born, der ritt de gitt der gue, Orn desh, dee born desh, de umn bork! bork! bork!
03:25.29purlokay, ckknight
03:25.40hyperChipmunkwhat was the illegal chars?
03:25.42hyperChipmunkoh
03:25.46hyperChipmunkthe moose ones
03:25.46ckknight~emulate swedish chef
03:25.47purlYorn desh born, der ritt de gitt der gue, Orn desh, dee born desh, de umn bork! bork! bork!
03:26.23CairennI presume you guys have seen this, then? https://addons.mozilla.org/addon.php?id=507
03:26.41hyperChipmunkooh, AV
03:26.54*** join/#wowace HoJ|Slayman (i=Slayman@c192176.adsl.hansenet.de)
03:27.08Tekkuboh hey cair... BIG idea for WoWI
03:27.13hyperChipmunkno errors on load O_o
03:27.18hyperChipmunk~holy crap!
03:27.21Cairennpost it in the suggestion forum
03:27.24hyperChipmunkheheheh
03:27.27Tekkuba WoWI searc hplugin for Firefox :)
03:27.27Cairennbut go ahead and tell me anyway
03:27.29hyperChipmunkeverything comes twice =)
03:27.38hyperChipmunkha, I was just about to ask if you guys had one
03:27.40Cairennthat's been suggested already
03:27.50CairennI don't know how you go about setting that up
03:27.58TekkubLearn!
03:27.59CairennI don't know if Dolby knows
03:28.09hyperChipmunkI can write it for you
03:28.13hyperChipmunkI've done a few
03:28.13ckknighthyperChipmunk, twice?
03:28.19CairennhyperChipmunk: you serious?
03:28.35hyperChipmunkyea, I was going to ask if you had one, and if not, I was gonna make it
03:28.38Cairennwoot! please do? if you are willing?
03:28.48ckknightanybody watch Robot Chicken?
03:29.02Tekkubyea I saw the chef CK
03:29.06TekkubBjork!
03:29.23TekkubPork!
03:29.37ckknightI thought the Barney part was so fucking funny
03:30.01TekkubRC is messed up, but it has it's moments:)
03:30.06Tem|VaelI hate this shit
03:30.09ckknight?
03:30.18Temwe have some weak-link raiders
03:30.19ckknight~comfort Tem
03:30.20purlThere, there, Tem.  It's OK.  I'm here for you.
03:30.23Temand our A team didn't show up
03:30.43Tekkubyou know, there's only one thing left to make AceSVN and WoWI complete....
03:30.45hyperChipmunkhttp://69.14.77.214/successsuccess.jpg
03:30.56TemI'm just wasting my time and repair money in BWL tonight
03:30.57CairennTekkub: uh oh, do I even want to ask?
03:31.16Tekkubsome way for authors to import directly into WoWI from the SVN instead of making their own packagings when submitting/updating
03:31.33Temprobably scripted update is my guess
03:31.38ckknightthat would be _so_ unbelievely sweet
03:31.43TekkubI would _SO_ update my shit on WoWI more often if I could do dat :)
03:31.48ckknightme too
03:31.51ckknight...
03:31.59hyperChipmunkoh crap
03:31.59Tekkubmore often for you boss?
03:32.00ckknightreally, I'd just be less agitated about it
03:32.13hyperChipmunkhehe
03:32.21hyperChipmunkso, yea
03:32.30hyperChipmunknow that everything's getting spat out twice..
03:32.36ckknighthrm
03:32.38Tekkub<PROTECTED>
03:32.41ckknightI know how to fix it, hyperChipmunk
03:33.06Tekkubactually, if there's a tarball to zip quick converter out there I'd use that... *googles*
03:34.11hyperChipmunkwow, that's a mess of a table
03:34.20Tekkub*ponder* can the WebSVN do zips too or only tarballs?
03:34.44hyperChipmunkscrew zips
03:34.54Tekkubyea well users, whiney, etc
03:35.03hyperChipmunkscrew users
03:35.03ckknighthttp://ace.pastebin.com/666501
03:35.18TekkubI don't mind tarballs or rars or whatever, but if it ain't zip people go all ID10T
03:35.26ckknightyea...
03:36.09hyperChipmunkdon't most people use 7-zip nowdays anyways?
03:36.22ckknighthyperChipmunk, no
03:36.23Tekkubeven WinZip does balls
03:36.31hyperChipmunkoh right
03:36.33TekkubI use WinRAR usually
03:36.37hyperChipmunkright-click Extract to...
03:36.37ckknightI use WinRAR
03:36.49ckknighthyperChipmunk, go to the link, replace those functions
03:36.51ckknightit'll fix things
03:36.55hyperChipmunkdoing so
03:36.56*** join/#wowace Norque (n=Norque@068.a.001.dub.iprimus.net.au)
03:37.02ckknightso that it only iterates over numbers (POIs)
03:37.05hyperChipmunkyep
03:37.35ckknightshould fix everything
03:38.08hyperChipmunkif type(poi) == "number" do
03:38.11hyperChipmunkexcept that =)
03:51.28ckknightwhy?
03:51.28hyperChipmunkif do?
03:51.28ckknightoh
03:51.28ckknightthen
03:51.29ckknightwhatever
03:51.29hyperChipmunkhehe
03:51.29ckknightpersonally, I think both do and then should be one keyword
03:51.29hyperChipmunkyesterday there was a while then
03:51.29hyperChipmunkyou've compensated for it now =D
03:51.29ckknight:-P
03:51.29ckknightwhy can't they be the same keyword?
03:51.29ckknightwhatever
03:51.29ckknighttest.
03:51.29hyperChipmunkui reloading now
03:51.29hyperChipmunkhad to change those bos'
03:51.29hyperChipmunkss
03:51.30hyperChipmunkbos's =P
03:51.30hyperChipmunkto self.battlefieldObjectiveStatus
03:51.30hyperChipmunksince it was just a shorthand i was using
03:51.30hyperChipmunkit works
03:51.30hyperChipmunkbeauty
03:51.30ckknightsweet
03:51.30ckknightcommit GloryLib
03:51.30ckknightI'm gonna optimize some more
03:51.30hyperChipmunkk, want me to take that stuff out?
03:51.30hyperChipmunkn/m I'll just comment it for now
03:51.30CairennhyperChipmunk: do you want/need any art for it?
03:51.30ckknightwhat stuff?
03:51.30hyperChipmunkthe TTV
03:51.31hyperChipmunkif you guys have an official favico
03:51.31hyperChipmunkI could use that
03:51.31ckknightyea, comment for now
03:51.31hyperChipmunkI can make my own, though, too
03:51.31ckknightthey do have a favicon
03:51.31CairennhyperChipmunk: http://www.wowinterface.com/favicon.ico
03:51.32hyperChipmunkk, tomorrow ok?
03:51.32Cairennme?
03:51.32hyperChipmunkyea
03:51.32hyperChipmunkmaybe tonight
03:51.32CairennROFL
03:51.32hyperChipmunkdepending on how BatFu rolls out
03:51.33Cairennnext week is fine!
03:51.33Cairennor next month
03:51.33hyperChipmunk=) k
03:51.33hyperChipmunki'll probably do it during the patch
03:51.33hyperChipmunkto give myself an excuse not to study for finals
03:51.33CairennNO
03:51.33hyperChipmunk>8D
03:51.34CairennI'll be VERY upset if you blow off studying to do this
03:51.34TemI hate that guy
03:51.34TemI **really** hate that guy
03:51.34hyperChipmunktell us how you really feel
03:51.34Cairennhe's annoying, that's for damn sure
03:51.34Temhis "hooking" stuff is shitty
03:51.34Temand I'm trying to tell him so without being mean
03:51.34hyperChipmunkoh crap I updated instead of committed O_o
03:51.34Tembut he refuses my feedback
03:51.34hyperChipmunkoh n/m
03:51.34Temso, why post your code if you don't want feedback?
03:51.35Tems/patieces/patience/
03:51.39ckknightwtf is with that numbering thing
03:51.40hyperChipmunkcommitted
03:51.40Tem~shudder
03:51.42purlACTION shudders
03:51.42hyperChipmunkjust transitioned from av to wsg
03:51.42Tempurl, shudder is <action> shudders.
03:51.43purl...but shudder is already something else...
03:51.43hyperChipmunksmooothly
03:51.43ckknightgood stuff
03:51.43Tempurl, no, shudder is <action> shudders.
03:51.45purlTem: okay
03:51.52hyperChipmunklol
03:51.54Tem...
03:52.06Temslap yourself, purl
03:52.17hyperChipmunkpurl, slap yourself
03:52.19purlACTION slaps yourself, keep your grubby fingers to yourself!
03:55.23Tem~slap purl
03:55.25purlACTION slaps purl, keep your grubby fingers to yourself!
04:02.15ckknighthyperChipmunk, for every GetHordeWhatever, I'm putting in a GetFriendlyWhatever
04:02.29ckknightbut I actually thought of a way to make it just as efficient
04:03.36ckknightis GetPlayerFaction() needed?
04:03.51ckknightthey can just do UnitFactionGroup("player")
04:04.10ckknightor we could have it return FACTION_ALLIANCE instead of "Alliance"
04:04.16ckknight*shrug*
04:10.11ckknightcommitted
04:14.11hyperChipmunkk
04:20.24kergoththis soda tastes exactly like homemade apple pie.  were it carbonated, anyway
04:20.42ckknightlol?
04:21.53kergothhttp://store.yahoo.com/soda-pop/reedspicapbr.html
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04:24.06Elvisowhy not just get apple cider
04:25.21kergothhehe.  i just figured i'd try it while i was there, that store carries a shitload of kinds of sodas, bought a bunch of them to try
04:26.51ElvisoI'd stay away from "Rain" (I think it was called)...
04:27.24ElvisoIt smells nice, like a girl's shampoo might
04:27.46Elvisonow imagine drinking that girl's shampoo, and that's what "Rain" tastes like
04:29.37kergothhehe, thanks for the warnin
04:29.37kergothg
04:30.09kergothi'm spoiled now, cant stand normal soda, need the good stuff that uses cane sugar :)
04:30.23kergothhmm, the fishease folks need to incorporate whatever fix fishingbuddy got for fastcast
04:30.32kergoththe former is teeny, the latter is a beast
04:33.32Temkergoth: I think they broke the fastcasting in 1.10.1
04:37.20kergothTem: fishingbuddy's fastcast works.
04:37.27kergothI just tested it 30 seconds ago :P
04:37.33kergothfishease's doesnt
04:37.35Temoh, awesome
04:37.48ckknightis there a working LuaDoc thing anywhere?
04:37.59TemI could swear there was
04:38.04Tembut I haven't seen it around
04:38.06kergothdid you check the usual places?
04:38.13kergothlike the luadoc project on luaforge? :P
04:38.19ckknightyea
04:38.21ckknightno files
04:38.28kergothyes, its in cvs.
04:38.30kergothgo look
04:38.34ckknightah
04:38.42kergothjust never officially released
04:38.42ckknight0 committs
04:38.44kergothits usable
04:38.45ckknight0 commits*
04:38.55kergoth?
04:38.55ckknight...
04:38.56kergothhttp://luaforge.net/scm/cvsweb.php/luadoc/?cvsroot=luadoc
04:38.59kergothonce again, go look
04:39.03kergothi see code right there, dont you?
04:39.47ckknightweire
04:39.50ckknightweird8
04:39.51ckknight*
04:39.52ckknightoh well
04:46.53hyperChipmunkAB crashed on my  server
04:46.59hyperChipmunkI need a volunteer
04:47.33ckknight...
04:47.41ckknightcan I do anything?
04:47.52hyperChipmunkif you can get into AB for one match somewhere
04:47.56ckknightnope
04:48.13ckknightwell, maybe
04:48.22hyperChipmunkI've tested everything except playing an actual match
04:48.39hyperChipmunki'm REASONABLY certain it all works
04:48.53hyperChipmunkbut I don't like the idea of shipping without an actual test
04:49.50ckknightdid you commit BatFu?
04:50.04hyperChipmunkno, but I can; I was gonna tdo the test before the commit
04:50.11hyperChipmunkbut that seems to be out of the question right now =P
04:50.15ckknightcommit now
04:50.30hyperChipmunkalready writing the changelog
04:52.56hyperChipmunkdone
04:54.36hyperChipmunkbleh
04:54.41hyperChipmunkGloryLib errors still
04:55.04ckknight...
04:55.18hyperChipmunkit doesn't like timeAttacked
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04:55.37ckknightwtf?
04:55.51kergothyay, the rearchitected object model appears to work, and is nearly comprehensible!
04:55.54kergoth:)
04:56.16hyperChipmunkline 1152: attempt to index field `?' (a nil value)
04:56.37ckknightkergoth, luaDoc doesn't like me
04:56.39ckknightand it confuses me
04:56.58ckknightoh
04:57.00ckknighthyperChipmunk, bad
04:57.04ckknightchange poi to node
04:57.08ckknightpoi == nil
04:57.08hyperChipmunk=)
04:57.10hyperChipmunkwhiew
04:57.31kergothckknight: there's also a luadoc incarnation in the cvs for the stdlib effort
04:57.38kergothckknight: might be easier to work with
04:57.47hyperChipmunkk, recommitting both
04:57.52ckknightwhere can I get that, kergoth ?
04:58.13hyperChipmunkgood eye, boss; I was staring righ tat it too
04:58.23ckknightcommit GloryLib, right?
05:00.01kergothhttp://luaforge.net/projects/stdlib/ :P
05:00.15hyperChipmunkboth committed with corrections
05:03.33ckknightkergoth, packages confuse me
05:03.34ckknightcould not load package `std' from path `?;?.lua'
05:03.37ckknightetc.
05:04.42hyperChipmunkit means you can't get herpes from a .lua file
05:04.50hyperChipmunka good thing, imo
05:05.28kergothckknight, i hate to say it, but rtfm.  the package stuff is documented
05:05.37kergothlooking for std in the search path ?;?.lua means it checks for an std and for an std.lua in the current directory
05:06.27kergothmyself, i generally override the search path to include a .lua50 or .lua51 directory in my homedir, so i can just drop things there and forget about it
05:07.44hyperChipmunkcrap
05:07.47kergothi cant believe this works so easily.. this model boggled me last night.. today i fix the basic functionality at work in 10 minutes, then come home and finish it in 20
05:07.49hyperChipmunkback to this problem again
05:10.29ckknightsorry, but what variable do I set to set the lua path to ~/.lua50 /
05:10.31ckknight?*
05:12.17ckknightokay, it's LUA_PATH
05:12.18kergothckknight: http://www.lua.org/pil/8.1.html
05:13.14ckknightI'm like trying to do 3 things at once...
05:13.46kergothhehe. i do that a lot, its quite productive
05:14.36kergothguess i should document this code, then do some profiling, see how it performs
05:15.48kergothSage looks damn nice, a hell of a lot lower ram usage than mg2 but still provides the very basic functionality i needed
05:16.42ckknightwhat is it?
05:17.01kergothckknight, let me know if you end up trying to set up your search paths with both lua 5.0 and 5.1 installed.  i set up a LUA_INIT and a script that checks the lua version and loads .lua50 or .lua51 based on it
05:17.14ckknightI don't have 5.1 installed
05:17.26kergotha unitframe addon. the actual player/pet/target/targettarget frames are in on demand addons, loaded when needed
05:17.33kergothjust the core is always resident. kinda cute
05:18.21ckknighthrm
05:18.29ckknightthat's cool
05:18.50kergothits only like 124K for the core and like 30-90 for the other addons or something
05:18.52kergothminiscule
05:18.54ckknightI'd want a UnitFrames addon that used dynamic frames
05:19.20kergothcreated programmatically?  i still want a raid addon that does that.. raid addons are beasts when it comes to ram usage, and i'm almost never in a 40 man
05:19.42ckknightmy NeedMaster deal does it programmatically
05:19.49ckknightit has "issues" though
05:19.57kergothneedmaster? oh, your needylist deal?
05:20.01ckknightyea
05:21.39hyperChipmunkyou mean PleasePlayMyGameForMe
05:21.57ckknightWoW disconnected me and I can't get back on
05:22.05kergothi need to get around to putting together some numbers for a written proposal to the bliz folks about lua 5.1
05:23.58kergothmmm, dr pepper with pure cane sugar = yummy
05:24.12ckknightcrap. lua: /home/ckknight/.lua50/std.lua:14: attempt to index global `package' (a nil value)
05:31.13TekkubFUCK YOU AUTH SERVER!
05:31.24Tekkub*growl* stupid TOC changes requiring a relog
05:31.56Tekkub"I'll relog real quick to make sure these work, then I'll commit them up!" .........
05:32.05kergothckknight, sounds like thats the lua 5.1 incarnation of stdlib, you might have to back up to an old rev of cvs
05:32.12Temok, it's been bugging me for a while.  Now, I must know
05:32.15ckknighthrm
05:32.18Temwhat does IMBA stand for?
05:32.26kergothckknight, but what you're looking for isnt part of stdlib itself anyway, its in the util dir or something like that
05:32.30ckknightInternational Mountain Bicycling Association
05:32.39ckknightkergoth, hrm
05:32.46kergoth~$ ls code/lua/stdlib-orig/utils/
05:32.47kergoth./  ../  ldoc
05:32.50ckknightyea
05:32.54ckknightI know, I'm trying to use ldoc
05:32.59ckknightit requires std
05:33.18ckknightIrish Multiple Births Association
05:33.21kergothah, yeah, you'll want the old std then .. lets see if i have the old pristine version around
05:34.23ckknightInternational Morab Breeders Association
05:34.38ckknightTem, I'm no making these up, this is off of google
05:34.40ckknightlol
05:34.51Temlol
05:35.37Cairennimbalanced
05:35.45Cairennhttp://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=imba
05:38.36Temhey ckknight remember earlier when we tried to tell Miravlix his hooking method was a bad idea?
05:38.41Temand he just blew us off?
05:38.44ckknightyea?
05:38.50Tem"My little call time profiler makes my computer freeze."
05:38.55ckknightlol
05:39.01Tem*cough* told you so *cough*
05:39.13Temoh, sweet, sweet justification
05:41.47kergothhah
05:45.42Tekkubkek
05:46.36Wobin_bur
05:48.41Tekkubokey... vote time!
05:48.42ckknightI'm having issues logging in
05:48.59Tekkubwriting a Hunter Tranq shot monitor... name it Tranquility or DartGun ?
05:49.05ckknightDartGun
05:49.15ckknightOr ElephantDart
05:49.23Wobin_BlueElephantGun
05:49.39ckknightor or just ElephantGun
05:49.41Wobin_RhinoTranq
05:49.57TekkubKetamine (sp/)
05:50.07Wobin_JustAnotherFiveMinutesMum
05:50.34TekkubI kinda like Ketamine, despite it's negative connotations
05:50.37Wobin_WakeyWakeyEggsandBacey
05:50.42Wobin_Roofies =P
05:50.52ckknightooh, Roofies
05:50.54Tekkuboh god... Wobs...
05:51.03Tekkubyou ever watch One Piece
05:51.04ckknightor Chloroform
05:51.04Tekkub?
05:51.04TemValium
05:51.13Wobin_... No =)
05:51.27TemAmbien
05:51.38Wobin_No.
05:51.40Tekkubmain char's name: Luffy... I get a really bad subbing after watching 200 eps from the same group...
05:51.41ckknightSedative
05:51.43Wobin_It'd be V Alium
05:51.51Tekkubnew group subs it as "Roofy"
05:51.55Tekkub*cry*
05:52.02Wobin_gah
05:52.23Tekkubthey have aweful english too
05:52.47Wobin_What's that drug they sell on spam that's the viagra alternative?
05:52.51Tekkubso I'm back looking for a good group to bridge tha gap of episodes I'm in..
05:53.10Tekkubhow bout Rittilin?
05:53.14Tekkub(SP?)
05:53.18ckknightno, Ritalin is an upper
05:53.19Wobin_Ritalin
05:53.45Tekkubbut it fixes ADHD!
05:53.52ckknightso?
05:53.53ckknightit's an upper
05:53.58Tekkub:P
05:53.59Wobin_Cialis
05:54.02ckknightat least if you snort 3 lines of it...
05:54.12Tekkubso Ketamine or DartGun.... *ponder*
05:54.16ckknightBarbituate
05:54.28Tekkuboh I know!
05:54.32Wobin_Cialis... for a longer, lasting 'shot'
05:54.33TekkubDartInYourAss
05:54.43Wobin_PinTheDartOnTheDonkey?
05:54.45ckknightmethyl trichloride
05:54.56Wobin_NapTime
05:55.02ckknightNapTime'd be good
05:55.21TekkubCAIR!  Need your approval before I name this mod DartInYourAss
05:55.28Wobin_(5 mods tucked in...)
05:55.33Wobin_er Mobs
05:55.47ckknightCapInYourAss
05:55.59TekkubBoss: you watch SeaLab?
05:56.00Wobin_Yo
05:56.03ckknighthttp://www.chemindustry.com/chemicals/263728.html
05:56.07Wobin_CapInYoAss =)
05:56.08ckknightTekkub, used to
05:56.21Tekkubthen Dart in your ass! should be funny to you
05:56.49TekkubStimutacs?  tho that's an upper again
05:56.54ckknightI must not have seen that
05:57.02ckknightyea, you want a sedative
05:57.04TekkubBest episode EVAR!
05:57.16ckknightPhencyclidine
05:57.17Tekkubit was the first SeaLab I saw, I was hooked
05:57.33Tekkubyou sure know a lot of drugs Bossy....
05:57.50ckknightyes
05:57.51ckknightI do
05:57.56ckknightthanks for noticing
05:58.10ckknightPhencyclidine is PCP
06:02.33Tekkubstupid auth server
06:02.49Temguh
06:02.57TemI need to reply to the person flaming devla
06:03.06Temstupid auth server
06:03.07Tekkubwhere?
06:03.16Temhttp://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=361953&p=1&tmp=1#post361953
06:03.24Tekkubhttp://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-general&t=7939013&p=1&tmp=1#post7939013
06:03.36Tekkubwhy do I read that as "Dorkful"?
06:04.05Tekkuboh yea I read that one :)
06:04.14Tekkubtried to reply, couldn't, gave up
06:04.29CairennTekkub: no :p
06:04.33Temmy reply
06:04.35TemPerhaps if you had actually read Devla's post, you wouldn't have just made a fool of yourself on the forums.  Devla didn't ask a GM that.  Someone else did, got that response and forwarded it to Devla because Catalyst is included in his popular compilation (QT UI http://qtui.x.am).  He was asking for clarification because he was nearly certain that the GM in question was wrong, but didn't want to make an assumption that would get his users in
06:04.36Temto trouble.
06:05.15Tekkub*cry* why not Cair?
06:05.43Tekkubwhat if I named it... DartInYourLASS?
06:05.46Tem(that version is after a few "passes" to remove things like "complete fucking ass" and "are you retarded?" that were peppered in the original version
06:06.06Cairenn"Dont post childish sh1tty mods or I'llz ban your azz. kthxbye" & "Fooshizle the nizzle we dont want no punk azz mods beeeyatch"
06:06.25Tekkubchildish?
06:06.34Tekkubhow can you say thatL??!!!!
06:06.36Tekkub*cry*
06:06.41Tekkubit's not even written!
06:06.41Temit's a pop culture reference
06:06.47TemI wouldn't call it childish
06:07.04Tekkubyea watch that ep of SeaLab, it's the best one there is
06:07.08Cairennthose are quotes folks, note the quotation marks? :p
06:07.29TekkubRubber spoon rubber spoon rubber spoon rubber spoon YES!
06:13.11Tekkubblarf
06:13.24TekkubI guess I'll FuBar the last of my Boss plugins
06:13.41Tekkubbut first I'll go start dinner
06:15.49Temdinner?
06:15.53Temit's 1 in the morning
06:16.45hyperChipmunk2 in the morning
06:17.11Cairenn|sleepnight gusy
06:17.13Cairenn|sleepguys
06:17.41hyperChipmunksweet dreams
06:17.50ckknightlol
06:17.55ckknightcya, Cairenn
06:19.28TemhyperChipmunk: iirc, Tekkub is in the same timezone as me which makes it 1:19am where he is
06:19.51hyperChipmunkyou guys are slow
06:19.59Tekkuboreo?
06:20.04hyperChipmunkput your self on chippertime!
06:20.18TemI'll pass
06:20.19Tekkubyes I'm in Central
06:20.21hyperChipmunkif you think you can handle it
06:20.22Tekkuband yes, supper
06:24.20Cairenn|sleephey Tem?
06:24.25Temaye?
06:24.37Cairenn|sleepyou know, you really should put a link ...
06:24.45Cairenn|sleephttp://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php/topic,1354.msg22155.html#msg22155
06:24.45Temwhere?
06:24.47Temto what?
06:25.08Temoh,
06:25.16Temyeah.  I dunno why I didn't alreayd
06:25.19Cairenn|sleepheh
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06:26.58Wobin_Brilliant http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c199/amyrose2020/dialup-wing.gif
06:27.00TemCairenn|sleep: hows that?
06:27.15Cairenn|sleepbeauty
06:40.32Tekkubhttp://yaoi.y-gallery.net/view/104671/
06:40.35Tekkub*giggle*
06:40.48Tekkubhopefully that isn't "adult"
06:40.58Tekkubcause ya gotta register to see those
06:42.48[MoonWolf]lol @ furry
06:43.01Tekkubwere you able to see it?
06:44.25Wobin_yeah
06:44.30Tekkub*grin*
06:44.39[MoonWolf]yeah
06:44.40Wobin_Nothing. My penis is a black box. :)
06:45.22otravigood morning
06:45.31Wobin_'lo otter
06:46.00hyperChipmunk~whaleslap otravi
06:46.01purlACTION beats otravi upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh
06:46.07hyperChipmunkpoor hugh =(
06:47.18Wobin_he's so abused =(
06:47.27Wobin_~hugwhale
06:47.28purlACTION watches in horror as wobin_ attempts to hug a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh.
06:47.54hyperChipmunk=D
06:50.35otraviI feel crushed :o
06:54.56otravithe oRA thread just turned into a IRC chan :<
06:55.42ckknight?
06:57.29otravifive replies in 10min :p
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07:31.07id`mornin!
07:31.12id`I feel GOOD
07:31.16id`today
07:31.17id`:D
07:31.20otravihello there id`
07:31.30id`Don't know why, but I'm happy
07:31.55otraviDo you need to know why you are?
07:32.05id`no :)
07:32.19id`I'm here at work, monday morning (feels like monday), with a SMIIIILE
07:33.15otraviuhm, it's not monday today
07:33.21otravi(or is it:OOOO?)
07:33.48id`I know, but it doesnt feel like tuesday :P
07:34.05otraviah, I have school soon
07:34.15id`gl hf
07:34.16id`:P
07:34.31otraviyes, three years in one crash course is very fun
07:36.17id`I have this list of things that i need to prove to be capable of doing to my school, in this year of internship. Actually it's meant to be done in 2 years, but I'm doing it in 1. Hoping for my certificate so i can hop on to the next school :P
07:36.41id`28 things, 6 to go till end june
07:36.45id`^^
07:37.35Tekkubbossman you around?
07:38.21otravi:D
07:38.34TekkubUPDATE_INVENTORY_ALERTS fires on every ammo change... DuroFu should just flat out refuse to update if the player has aggro/combat
07:38.51Tekkub*DuraFu
07:43.26CodayusIs there currently a way to set main tank targets using oRA?
07:44.33otravinope, I should really get to that
07:47.04CodayusIt'd be nice.
07:47.27otraviI'll see what I can do when I get home today
07:47.32CodayusJust tested out xraid + oRa in a MC trash farming run for the first time...that was the only feature I ran across that was missing.  Pretty cool otherwise.
07:47.44CodayusHadn't had a chance to test it before...
07:48.02CodayusThat'd be cool!  :-)
07:49.01otraviI've been playing with the core the last couple of days
07:49.16otravithanks to FryGuy suggestion it's a lot faster in the parsing of CTRA messages
07:49.41otravibut I have to leave now.. bye *waves*
07:49.53CodayusBye
07:50.25FryGuyhave you tested it?
07:50.43otraviFryGuy: a little
07:51.03FryGuyi mean speedwise :p
07:54.07otraviI used Gello's little performance tester (from the forum), large improvement with more "checks" loaded :)
07:54.47otraviI don't have any numbers anymore tho'
07:54.53Tekkubokey fuck it
07:55.02TekkubI'm fixing DuraFu and branching it
07:56.21hyperChipmunkheh
07:58.59hyperChipmunknot that i need to make a note for my mods to suck =P
08:01.09[Ammo]morning
08:01.21id`Maybe I'm so happy because I finally have some people use my addon, and give me feedback....
08:01.24id`morning ammo
08:02.44[Ammo]oh come back after easter and SVN changed around? :)
08:03.47Temaye, a bit
08:07.15[Ammo]one big repo again
08:14.39TekkubChip: it's really a matter of I told him to fix it, and how, and he only half-fixed it
08:15.01Tekkuband thus it still a perfarmance drain
08:15.17sedatedChipmunkhalf...fix...
08:15.19sedatedChipmunkright, got it
08:17.08sedatedChipmunkany other tips?
08:18.31Tekkub:P
08:19.13sedatedChipmunkhey, I'm not proud
08:19.34sedatedChipmunkI'll take good code that fills a need I have any way i can get it +)
08:22.36sedatedChipmunknith Tem
08:23.27TekkubActually, I'm quite tempted (again) to just put in my old durability mod...
08:23.31Tekkub*bleh*
08:23.36Tem|Sleeplater guys
08:23.55id`nn
08:24.19[Ammo]hmmm
08:24.24Tekkubthe problem is he watches bags too, and bags are 20x more annoying to maintain info on
08:24.29[Ammo]but how do I checkout my stuff now
08:24.31[Ammo]from the svn
08:24.41Tekkubfuck it, I'm removing his bag scanner
08:24.52Tekkubsame as before ammo, repo is "root"
08:25.16[Ammo]k so svn co http://svn.wowace.com/trunk/Necronomicon/ ?
08:25.18sedatedChipmunksvn co http://svn.wowace.com/root/trunk/$PROJECT
08:25.21[Ammo]ah rot
08:25.23[Ammo]root doh
08:25.48id`Tekkub: why watch your bags for durability?
08:26.05[Ammo]so you can repair your 2nd item set as well
08:26.06id`oh cause you can fix that too..
08:26.09id`right
08:26.21TekkubI don't, I hate that functionality and I asked him like 4x now to give an option to disable it
08:26.24sedatedChipmunkyea, but it can't change unles you're spiritrezzed
08:26.38[Ammo]well
08:26.46Tekkubor you gain/lose an item
08:26.47sedatedChipmunkcombat doesn't degrade bag items
08:26.51Tekkubor you equip something
08:26.56[Ammo]if I swap one item with durabiltiy loss for another
08:27.02[Ammo]yeah
08:27.07id`Question: are all the FuBar addons listed in the ace section at wowi?
08:27.14id`or just opnly under fubar
08:27.17id`only*
08:27.20sedatedChipmunkall the fubar addons are listed on the fubar page
08:27.22Tekkubmy point tho is scanning the bag is costly, we should have an option to disable it
08:27.27sedatedChipmunkthey're in the plugins section
08:27.35id`sedatedChipmunk: hmm thats not nice kinda
08:27.48id`what if there were two durability mods?
08:27.51id`*hunt hint*
08:27.51Tekkubbut he's ignored every request for that I've put in, so fuck it I'm taking it out
08:27.54id`hint*
08:27.54sedatedChipmunkso?
08:28.09sedatedChipmunkthey're all listed there
08:28.11[Ammo]take it out and the mod is suddenly quite screwed
08:28.34[Ammo]I use 2 sets of equipment on an average raid, and I'd like to repair it all in one go
08:28.46[Ammo]that's the only reason I use the mod (that and showing how much dura I got)
08:29.03TekkubAmmo...
08:29.09Tekkub1) I'm not coding this for you
08:29.15[Ammo]hehe
08:29.19Tekkub2) I'm only changing the display shit
08:29.30[Ammo]oh meh
08:29.33id`3) just add an option, dont remove things
08:29.39sedatedChipmunkyes
08:29.41Tekkub3) I'm gonna branch it and BossHole will (hopefully) get what I tried to tell him already
08:29.41sedatedChipmunkalways add
08:29.44sedatedChipmunknever remove
08:29.49sedatedChipmunkadd add add
08:29.59sedatedChipmunkADD ADD ADD ADD BAM! COSMOS
08:29.59id`sedatedChipmunk: to some extent :P
08:30.03id`yeah
08:30.04id`hehe
08:30.23Tekkuband thus is why people ask for mods to get Ace'd, cause lots of people think like that
08:30.24id`Who here uses idChat?
08:30.43id`I'm thinking about building in a 'link wrangler'
08:30.54TekkubBoss's plugins show that too, he throws in craptons of features, never sticks to small simple plugins
08:31.11sedatedChipmunkI set a hard line on batfu
08:31.24Tekkubthe auto-repair crap is best left to a seperate mod, like Kael's
08:31.34sedatedChipmunka few have asked for stuff like autojoin
08:31.54Tekkubactually... yea fuck it, I'm making my own Durability plugin
08:32.00sedatedChipmunkwith blackjack
08:32.03sedatedChipmunkand hookers?
08:32.09id`No-one uses idChat? Do you use another addon featuing similar or equal functionality?
08:32.26sedatedChipmunki use the "Chat Frame"
08:32.31id`less typo's, id. more caffine
08:32.37sedatedChipmunkit's this neat little thing that comes with the game
08:33.11[Ammo]I use chatscroll with it, so it scrolls with the mousewheel
08:33.13sedatedChipmunkit displays text
08:33.17Codayusid`: I use ChatBox
08:33.20[Ammo]other than that default frames
08:33.21Codayushttp://ui.worldofwar.net/ui.php?id=1819
08:33.31sedatedChipmunkyea, chatscroll is a must
08:33.46sedatedChipmunkto the point where i forget it's even an addon
08:33.50[Ammo]yeah
08:34.01[Ammo]timestamping / mousewheel
08:34.04[Ammo]nothing more, nothign less
08:34.05id`Codayus: k, cause im thinking about moving a lot of stuff from chatbox over to idChat. in an elegant way ofcource :P
08:34.22CodayusNifty.  :-)
08:34.32id`well thats what idChat does... and ChatScroll isnt maintained anymore (i think)
08:34.38CodayusI looked at idChat, but it didn't do a couple of things I kind of wanted.
08:34.43sedatedChipmunkmaintained?
08:34.50id`Codayus: you can turn everything on and off ofcource
08:34.55sedatedChipmunkit scrolls the chat
08:35.01sedatedChipmunkwtf needs to be maintined
08:35.17id`sedatedChipmunk: did you even look at what features it has?
08:35.19id`:P
08:35.19[Ammo]it works, no need for maintanance
08:36.25sedatedChipmunkk really asleep now
08:36.32sedatedChipmunknot just Cairenn-mode
08:36.43sedatedChipmunknight y'alls
08:36.53id`nn
08:39.15id`Codayus: I'm also adding in the 'scroll to bottom' button to the lower right, even though shift+scroll does that too..
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09:48.39[Ammo]hmm when using MetrognomeLib and CompostLib, do I set my addon to have them as a dependancy, or just include the lua file?
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09:56.44Tekkubjust include, that's the whole point of the embeds
09:57.13[Ammo]k
09:57.26[Ammo]time for a meeting
09:57.40Tekkubfun!
10:14.15[MoonWolf]tekkub, can you do somehting for me ?
10:14.59Tekkubnope
10:15.06Tekkubwhat?
10:15.10[MoonWolf]can you measure what PT/mendy registers on warmup. and the mem use after mousing over a whole bag of items.
10:15.22[MoonWolf]I cant do it here, work :(
10:15.27Tekkubwhole bag? whyso?
10:15.59[MoonWolf]So it registers in the cursed peoples minds that mendeleev/pt really does not take a lot of memory
10:16.13Tekkubfuck then
10:16.16[MoonWolf]nice work on engravings.
10:16.17[MoonWolf]btw
10:16.18Tekkub*them
10:16.31Tekkubjust committed up a new version of it too :)
10:16.53[MoonWolf]I am going to rework some more core parts of mendeleev soon
10:16.56TekkubI gave comparison stats for PT vs. ReagentData
10:17.06[MoonWolf]make it integrate into kci
10:17.07[MoonWolf]finally
10:17.09Tekkubin the description, see the wiki page it's still there
10:17.46TekkubI'm gonna rework PT to be embeddable, BTW
10:17.52Tekkubwhenevwer I get to it
10:18.25Tekkubfuckin boss's durability crap distracted me tonight from acomplishing much
10:19.02Tekkuband I still havn't hunted down what's pulling like 50KiB every time I fire a shot, but at least the stutter appears to be gone
10:19.27[MoonWolf]I dont have it
10:19.34[MoonWolf]and I use the latest fupanel
10:20.02id`panels suck. what do they add?
10:20.07Tekkubyea I think it went when he half-fixed DuraFu, but it wos still updating
10:20.14Tekkubinfo indie
10:20.18Tekkubsome of us like info
10:20.21id`exactly
10:20.26[MoonWolf]info good
10:20.31[MoonWolf]I am information addicted
10:20.43[MoonWolf]thats why I still use recap
10:20.45id`info comes at a price
10:20.54Tekkubplus it's a nice uniform interface
10:20.55id`and the addon is also always 'in your face'
10:20.58Tekkubno it doesn't
10:21.04Tekkuband no it isn't
10:21.10id`durability for example
10:21.17TekkubI have a crapton of info in minimal space
10:21.22id`kaelten made an addon that does the same thing
10:21.32id`but its not in your face
10:21.32Tekkubdura is NOT a problem, boss's implementation is
10:21.44[MoonWolf]dont scan it in combat
10:22.10Tekkubmy old dura was always simple.  Boss's main problem is he track bag info which is costly, and he updates WAY to frequently
10:22.25id`well submit a patch
10:22.54Tekkubnah, I just cleaned out all the shit... as soon as I find my old durability I'll port it over to fubar
10:23.14TekkubI'll release mine sometime soonish, again
10:32.34TekkubAMMO!
10:43.53Wobbleoh, can you redo REfreshments too?
10:58.01TekkubYea Wobs, it's on mah todo list ><
11:22.56Mikmag'morning
11:23.41id`lo Mikma
11:31.14[Ammo]what Tekk?
11:58.40Tekkubuh... *thinks*
11:58.54Tekkuboh yes... when you commit put the mod name in the details
12:00.27Wobblecool, Tekk
12:06.34Wobin_Dunno if it's relevant, but I was popping up twice on Refreshments when I had it on bossfubar
12:06.56Tekkuboh yea... I know I need to fix that
12:07.16Tekkubif you're in a raid you show up as unit raid# so player scan shouldn't happen....
12:09.53Frittiteh svn == reorganized again?
12:10.02Wobin_brilliant: http://www.livejournal.com/userpic/37015036/8093489
12:10.39Tekkubyea Fritt, permissions were a bitch in the multi-repo design
12:10.46[MoonWolf]did you yust post a livejournal link
12:10.48[MoonWolf]........
12:10.58Tekkubit's mildly amusing
12:11.04Frittiok
12:11.09Frittithis should be the 'final' design?
12:11.12Tekkubmy furry dick guy was better :)
12:11.20Tekkubyes frit, should...
12:11.28Frittithanks
12:12.10Wobin_it's a lj icon link
12:12.33Wobin_reminiscent of this weeks VGCats
12:12.59[MoonWolf]that reminds me
12:14.49[MoonWolf]ni hao!
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13:08.57id`Seriously why would people tink that idChat is there to be better then chatscroll?
13:09.06id`its just part of 'idInterface'.
13:21.35Elvisoidinterface?
13:21.45Elvisopardon my ignorance
13:22.00TainYou know what idChat needs?
13:22.49TainAn improved command history.  The default UI one annoys the hell out of me with what it decides to save and especialy not save as commands.
13:23.18[MoonWolf]idchat adds chat scrolling, removes arrows and ads timestamps!
13:23.21[MoonWolf]thats ali need
13:24.15id`Tain: that will grow massive in time...
13:24.25TainAlso the archive you uploaded to wowi is missing the idchat directory, just has the files directly in the archive.
13:24.33TainIt doesn't have to save history forever.
13:24.37id`Elviso: its not your ignorance. Ill make a wiki page lol :P
13:24.42TainJust more than it does.
13:24.42id`Tain: true dat
13:24.55id`Tain: ow shit, oops
13:25.18TainWell I want more of a history, I'll write an addon to do that.
13:26.43otravi[MoonWolf]: I use idChat for the same reason!
13:26.52otraviChatScroll is "bloated" compared to it :D
13:28.40id`Tain: add it to Tab? :P
13:30.22ElvisoTekkub, still here?
13:33.44TainYeah I just have to strip out the abbreviation stuff from idchat
13:34.31id`Elviso: http://wiki.wowace.com/index.php/IdInterface
13:34.31id`:p
13:34.51id`Tain: well that sure is easy :D
13:35.15TainOk I don't *have* to.  It's just the only thing I don't use.
13:36.48TainAnd it does shave off another 2k or so from the code. :)
13:37.15otraviid`: nrerf
13:38.12id`nrerf? :P
13:38.24id`Tain: /idc abb toggle
13:38.59id`Tain: it wont even hook anymore
13:39.10id`i tihnk.. doublecheck..
13:39.46id`yep tru dat
13:40.21otraviid`: nerf bat -> nerf -> nrerf
13:41.25Wobin_hrm, embedded PT would be good
13:41.42id`Tain: http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php/topic,1361.0.html
13:41.54id`meh why
13:41.57id`wob
13:42.01id`pt is a 'database'
13:42.13id`so you are embedding a filled 'database'
13:42.31id`talk about useless code repetition
13:44.15Wobin_probably
13:45.25id`unless pt is one big table, in wich case you'd just nil out all except the latest version
13:45.32id`but i doubt it is
13:46.33Tekkubit would be no different functionally than it is now, but embeds remove the need for the user to maintain a dependancy
13:46.56Tekkubthe author just needs the core and any set modules
13:47.15Tekkubit also removes the need for me to maintain a release copy, which I don't do anyway
13:47.47TekkubPT core is damn small anyway, it's the perfect canadate for embeddnig
13:48.33Tekkubhave you actually LOOKED at how embeds work indie?
13:49.26Tekkuball things considered, the garbage churn from upgrading is minimal really
13:49.34otravi~doom song
13:49.36purl"Doom doom doom doom doom doom doom ...."
13:50.33Tekkubespecially considering hom strings are allocated and that the mass majority will not change with PT, it's new stuff being added, there's not much removal with PT
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13:51.48Tekkubbut in the end it doesn't matter, I'm gonna make it an embed and if you don't like it I don't care :P
13:52.29id`I had a feeling you would tek
13:52.34id`<PROTECTED>
13:52.37Frittiand how about load times? I really don't have a clue but I could see 5 copies of PT eating up a bit of time
13:52.48Frittiother than that I <3 embedded libraries
13:52.52Tekkubdoesn't work that way frit
13:53.23FrittiI read somewhere (phear my ignorance!) that every .lua added ~ .5 sec load time
13:53.37Frittiinitial load
13:53.37Frittiafter login
13:53.40Tekkubif it's an upgrade the tables will recreate them selves, the only GC churn is the references in the tables (tiny) and any strings that changed (not many usually)
13:53.59Tekkubif it's not an upgrade it returns out in the first few lines of the file
13:54.11Frittiah so WoW doesn't read the whole file before starting executino?
13:54.14Frittiexecution*
13:54.27Tekkuband FUCK NO about that ~.5 sec load time
13:54.42otraviyou can see that it's false with warmup
13:54.44FrittiI've seen an argument for not having SmallFunction1.lua SmallFunction2.lua etc in the .toc because of the load times, which is why I'm asking
13:54.44Tekkubtry WarmUp :P
13:54.51otravisome oRA modules load in 0.002 :p
13:55.00Frittiok, will do :-)
13:55.05Tekkubthe "rumor" was every addon, not every file
13:55.15Tekkuband I do believe WarmUp proves that wrong too
13:55.17Frittithen by all means, make PT embedded puhleez! :-)
13:55.31Tekkuband functions are TINY
13:55.57otravisome guy promoting sea ftw :<
13:55.58Tekkubstrings are bigger, but if they don't change then they don't GC, no churn there...
13:56.20Tekkubit's all references :)
13:56.50Tekkubbut yea, the impact from updating an embed will be minimal, even with PT
13:57.32Tekkubif it were reallocate the whole thing, lets generate garbage, I wouldn't do it
14:00.47Tekkubanywho, bedtime... hope Rambe explains his enigmatic metatable thingy in InvSort so I can make some rules and be done with EngInv/EngBank for good
14:02.20id`nn
14:04.01Wobin_Tekkub: linky?
14:04.29Tekkubhttp://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php/topic,1188.new.html#new
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14:12.51Tekkubugh, no sleep for me yet
14:13.05Cairennhi guys
14:13.26Tekkubhubby's massive inability to maintain a checking acct is biting him in the ass
14:13.52Tekkubat least it's not my problem, I got sick of it so after we moved we got seperate accts here
14:20.50Frittidoes minigroup2 work with oRA ?
14:23.05id`hi cair \o/
14:23.36id`I have my account subscribed with my bank account
14:23.42id`no credit card needed
14:23.44id`\o/
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14:33.56[MoonWolf]Tekkub, dont his problem tend to be your problems too tekkub ?
14:34.07Tekkubyes and no
14:34.21Tekkubhe gets to fix his own money fuckups
14:34.48otravi<PROTECTED>
14:34.52[MoonWolf]so, why no sleep ?
14:35.10Tekkubcause if I go to bed while he's out, he'll be all bitchy and shit
14:35.30Tekkubhe's already being a moody asshole before he noticed his acct went negative
14:35.41[MoonWolf]:(
14:36.14Cairennah, love, ain't it grand
14:36.30Tekkubyea... :P
14:36.36Cairenn;)
14:37.09Cairenns'okay, just proves you are more normal than you'd like to believe yourself to be - most common things couples fight over? money
14:37.54Tekkubyea well he spends every cent he earns, I don't
14:38.13Tekkubwe did the joint acct thing and in the end there was never money there
14:38.39Tekkubthis way I don't have to worry about my shit.  His issues are his, he can't learn to handle a checking acct it ain't my problem
14:38.40id`now you get to play together too
14:38.41id`:P
14:39.02TekkubI can't do it for him, if he doesn't know where he's spent money there's no way I will
14:40.46[Ammo]tekkub: ok I'll put the name of the mod in further commits
14:40.48[Ammo]meh
14:41.40otraviyay
14:44.12TekkubAmmo, there's a big note from clad on the whole subject :P
14:44.25Tekkubit's a shared repo, play well with others
14:45.12[Ammo]I will, and I cuoldn't find the note
14:45.40Tekkubhttp://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php/topic,1353.0.html
14:45.41[Ammo]the front page should just show the files that were changed with dirname, that should make it clearer too :)
14:45.53Tekkubit's a damn sticky, no excuses
14:46.19otraviTekkub: the stickys on the forum is like... invisible
14:46.25[Ammo]I don't see stickies
14:46.30[Ammo]or rather, I look past them
14:46.33[MoonWolf]look harder.
14:46.38otravi[Ammo]: they are the once taht have a tiny line under the icon :<
14:46.50[MoonWolf]or ill make them bold in caps and put !!!oneone!111elven behind them.
14:46.55[Ammo]hmmm
14:46.57[Ammo]good idea!
14:46.57otravi[MoonWolf]: please do
14:48.14[MoonWolf]sigh
14:48.46Tekkubor just lern2Show unread posts since last visit.
14:49.05otraviI don't like that function :p
14:49.08otraviI still use the RSS
14:49.15otravi(which is last 5 replies)
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15:05.43phyberis there a way to change the category of an addon on WoWI?  I was submitting a few to Ace: Misc and accidentally did it for one that doesn't depend on Ace :/
15:07.49Cairennphyber: you send me a pm with the link to the one you need moved and tell me where it needs to be moved to
15:08.19phyberCairenn: cool :)
15:08.38Cairennyeah, I know, we're just frigging impossible to get along with
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15:11.48Mikmait's neat to have a wifebeater living upstairs
15:12.08Mikmanow we'll have to listen to their fights and the "don't hit me" yells
15:12.28CairennMikma: I'd listen to the sound of sirens as you called the cops every time he hits her
15:13.09Mikmanext time it happens i will
15:13.28Cairennand the sound of the door slamming as you help her get the hell out of there
15:13.37Mikmamy friends told me to do the same but the woman who yells does it in angry voice, not in scared
15:14.11Mikmaand i bet they're both drunk as asses
15:14.32Cairennabuse is still abuse, whether they are both drunk and whether she is angry or not
15:14.41Cairennsorry, shutting up now
15:14.47Cairenn<== female
15:14.50Mikmano you are 100% right
15:14.59Cairenn<== seen friends (and family) in abusive relationships
15:15.09Cairenn<== enrages
15:15.11Cairennd*
15:15.29Mikmayeah same here so i don't approve it at all
15:16.05Cairenn*anyone* who can "approve" of abusive relationships needs to have their head examined
15:17.49Mikmawell we have a saying in finland: "There's still room behind the sauna-building", meaning take them to there and shoot them in the back of the head
15:17.54Cairennand, imo, anyone who knows about an abusive relationship and doesn't try to intervene to assist is complicit, passively at the very minimum
15:18.40Cairennaaaanyway, I really will shut up now
15:19.00Cairennand it's going to be enforced since I have to afk
15:19.01Cairennlater guys
15:19.57TekkubI bet she's not AFK
15:20.13otravidamn, I had totally forgot how imbalanced anime was :<
15:20.19TekkubI we say enough bad thing about she'll pipe back up
15:20.33Tekkubanime must not have PvP then
15:20.34otravioO
15:21.17Mikmaotravi: tentacleporn?
15:21.43TekkubPvP destroys games with it's neverending quest for "class balance"
15:21.59TekkubMilk... are you in my guild?
15:22.02otraviMikma: more like: I somehow summoned a warrior, and then it beat the shit of another warrior
15:22.12TekkubI often threaten our raid leader with tentacles
15:22.26otraviIn soviet russia: hentai fucks you
15:22.35MikmaTekkub: hehe no but i would glad to be if i would play in US realms
15:22.55TekkubIn soviet russia, PvP balances you!
15:23.09otraviPvE ftw :D
15:24.26Mikma"MacGyver was a hacker..."
15:24.44Tekkubkek
15:25.14Tekkubman, RDA made up for MacGyver soooo much in SG-1
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15:25.33Tekkub"And if we push ithis button here... " *blank stare*
15:30.12Wobin_hehe
15:30.27Wobin_Despite the fact that he needed a uni degree to get his rank =P
15:30.34Wobin_He played the fool quite well
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15:43.31Mikmawould a hot shower help me get rid of this horrible headache/migraine? :(
15:44.22[MoonWolf]potentially, depends on the cause.
15:46.04TekkubI've found there's only one surefire way to get rid of a migrane
15:46.10Tekkub..... icepick
15:46.20Tekkubnow bedtime for reals :)
15:46.24Eraphine|Labno!
15:46.27Eraphine|Labwait!
15:46.28MikmaTekkub: from one ear to another?
15:46.33[MoonWolf]heavy duty (very heavy) painkillers work too.
15:46.34TekkubGAH!
15:46.34Wobin_PS
15:46.38TekkubWHAT?!?!?!?!?!?!
15:46.40Eraphine|LabEngravings?
15:46.47Eraphine|LabZG 3-coin sets?
15:46.47Tekkubwhat aboot it?
15:46.53Wobin_Grats Tain for making Most Favourited on Wowi
15:47.08Eraphine|LabEngravings is a tooltip addon right?
15:47.11Eraphine|Labnm go to bed
15:47.12Eraphine|LabI'll read
15:47.16Tekkubyes it is
15:47.21Tekkubwhat's the confusion?
15:47.28Eraphine|LabIf I mouse over one of the coins in the sets it will list the other 2 needed?
15:47.31[MoonWolf]engravings adds notes to item tooltips... nothing new.
15:47.35[MoonWolf]yes.
15:47.48Eraphine|LabI thought that's what mendelev was
15:47.50Tekkubif you hover over sandfury it says:
15:48.05[MoonWolf]the idea was to much bloat for mendeleev.
15:48.09Tekkub"Engraving: Sandfury-Skullsplitter-Bloodscalp
15:48.15Eraphine|LabOh - that's good
15:48.21[MoonWolf]mendeleev handles fixed information , not custom stuff.
15:48.30Eraphine|Labah ok.
15:48.30Tekkuband the librams and darkmmon cards have em too
15:48.41Eraphine|Labinvsort!
15:48.44Eraphine|Labwhat!
15:48.50TekkubI'll be adding vendors from Fizzwidg AdSpace bit by bit
15:48.59Eraphine|Labfizzwdg adspace..
15:49.27Eraphine|LabOK - i'll get engravings :)
15:49.27TekkubEngravings is for custom ones, and some handy prebuilts like the coin trios
15:49.40Eraphine|Labnot having to relook all the sets will be nice
15:49.44Eraphine|Labuntil I rememorize them again
15:49.54Tekkub<PROTECTED>
15:49.59Eraphine|Labahhh...
15:50.01Eraphine|LabGotcha
15:50.13Tekkubworks for any item you can link
15:50.18Wobin_/engrave set * Class: Hunter
15:50.26Tekkub:P
15:50.31Eraphine|Labhey tekk - is there a reason the warmup directory can't be called !!Warmpup in the svn?
15:50.40Eraphine|LabI renamed the directory locally and it works fine
15:50.43TekkubBecause... uhm... shut up
15:50.47Eraphine|Labyes m'am
15:50.49Wobin_Mmm Warmpup
15:51.00Wobin_(usually means he's peed in your lap)
15:51.04Tekkubyou define where you check out to.. and I thought the !! would be ugly on the SVN
15:51.11Eraphine|Labnod
15:51.36Tekkubanywho, must pass out now
15:51.45[MoonWolf]night night.
15:51.49Eraphine|Labnn
15:52.36Eraphine|Laboh wow
15:52.45Eraphine|LabI didn't realize armchairalchemist used itemid's
15:52.52Eraphine|Labmemory savings galore!
15:53.06kergothEraphine|Lab: naming it !! isnt very useful anyway. on most machines, that doesnt make it load first.  it loads by creation/modification date, not alphabetically
15:53.08[MoonWolf]it was inspired by my coding too!
15:53.24Eraphine|LabKerg I brought that up yesterday
15:53.31Eraphine|LabIs it configurable on XP?
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15:53.43Eraphine|LabMine do seem to load alphabetically
15:53.53Eraphine|Labbut I've also seen posts about it loading by creation date
15:53.55kergothhmm, good question.  its always by date for me on my xp box
15:54.05kergothand naturally its by date on my linux box :)
15:54.08[MoonWolf]does it depend on how you have set the folder sorting for that folder ?
15:54.15Eraphine|Labthat'd be ... retarded
15:54.25[MoonWolf]we are talking about windows.
15:54.36kergothehh, thatd be really lame. that sort should be for the -display-, not the way all applications get the list
15:55.00kergothbut good point, worth checking out
15:56.16id`nn ker
15:56.19id`err i mean hi
15:58.43[MoonWolf]hi
16:00.46Eraphine|Labyou chip are you here?
16:04.49id`hey i just had an idea
16:05.00id`you know all those mods that save heaps of data in tables that get huge?
16:05.20id`what if you'd store a function not inside a table
16:05.27id`that holds all the table data unexpanded into strings
16:05.28Wobin_Eraphine|Lab: Yeah, irt ArmchairAlchemist, that's why it won't work if you don't have the herbs in your localcache =) and is fairly locale independant
16:05.37id`and it would create and returnt he table when called
16:05.47[MoonWolf]that is exactly what pt does.
16:05.50Wobin_What... like PT?
16:05.51Eraphine|Labno herbs in local cache?
16:06.02id`>.<
16:06.04id`soh
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16:06.06id`doh*
16:06.12id`man thatss a big doh
16:06.15id`:P
16:06.16Eraphine|Lablol id'
16:06.18Wobin_If you haven't seen the herbs in game, AA won't show them =)
16:06.23Eraphine|LabGotcha
16:06.37Eraphine|LabI like GetLink for the same reason
16:06.42Eraphine|Labit only uses the local cache links
16:06.51Eraphine|Laband I don't care enough about links to need them "all"
16:08.22[MoonWolf]Wobin_, could you potentially make mrplow slightly more mem efficient
16:08.26[MoonWolf]because its pretty bad.
16:08.43Wobin_howso, Moony? Any suggestions?
16:09.05[MoonWolf]looking at 800 to 1000 kb/s increase while sorting.
16:09.08Wobin_I'm not sure how to profile it really atm
16:09.12[MoonWolf]kk
16:09.16Wobin_hm
16:09.23[MoonWolf]well, if you figure something out, please try it.
16:09.24Wobin_The actual sorting, or the movement?
16:09.58Wobin_Cause for the movement itself, there's not much I can do, since all I'm doing is passing a table with coordinates to move to and from
16:10.03[MoonWolf]during a the works.
16:10.27Eraphine|Labare you sure it is addon-related moonwolf?
16:10.37Eraphine|LabI get large mem increases when moving items in my bags anyway
16:10.42Wobin_It'll be causing a whole lot of BAG_UPDATES
16:10.49[MoonWolf]I'll work out some serieus test results if you want.
16:10.56[MoonWolf]got to go for a while
16:11.06Wobin_I've already got ArmchairAlch ignoring any Bagupdates if it's sorting =)
16:11.26Eraphine|Labthe problem is "other" addons that monitor bagupdates
16:11.33Wobin_aye.
16:11.34Eraphine|Labalthough.. here's an idea.. unhook bagupdates while sorting?
16:11.38Eraphine|Laba la catalyst?
16:11.49Wobin_...yeah... was thinking if I could borrow that...
16:11.57Wobin_but with catalyst it's a controlled environment
16:12.10Wobin_(ie, only when zoning and nothing else can be done at the time)
16:12.11Eraphine|Labyeah - cuz you don't really need any info while zoning.
16:12.13Eraphine|Labnod
16:12.43Eraphine|Labcatalyst uses safehooking though
16:13.07Wobin_yeah, but what if another mod needs those b_u's?
16:13.48Eraphine|Labworst case scenario is that it gets delayed
16:14.00Wobin_well not delayed as such
16:14.07Wobin_since they'll never recieve those updates
16:14.08Eraphine|Laband unhook the bagupdates before your "last" inv sort
16:14.14Eraphine|Labthat's what I mean.
16:14.19Eraphine|Labit's delayed while you are sorting
16:14.38Eraphine|Labbut if you unhook before your last sort, all addons will recieve the last update
16:14.45Wobin_how do you mean 'while I'm sorting'?
16:14.56Eraphine|Labnm...
16:14.59Wobin_Cause the actual sorting is done 'theoretically' before any actual movement
16:15.13Eraphine|LabHrm.
16:15.20Eraphine|LabThen - during the actual moving of items?
16:15.27Wobin_It maps out the locations each item is supposed to be, then moves them into that place
16:15.53Wobin_but that still prevents any other addon from seeing that update
16:15.56Eraphine|Labare we talking about mr.plow or invsort?
16:16.01Wobin_mrplow
16:16.14Wobin_I'm not the coder for invsort =)
16:16.17Wobin_That's ramble
16:17.37Eraphine|Labumm.
16:17.49Eraphine|LabI don't think you can decrease the mem usage
16:17.53Eraphine|LabI don't think it's related to your addon
16:18.09Eraphine|Labi mean, your addon does it, but so would any that is constantly moving stuff around
16:18.15Wobin_Or rather, it could be an unavoidable increase
16:18.44Eraphine|Labitemrack for example, when I swap sets I get in excess of 2mb/sec increase while my comp freezes for .5 sec
16:18.52Wobin_I could code it so that it makes as little a number of movements as possible...
16:19.03Eraphine|LabThat would definitely improve things.
16:19.04Wobin_But that's much more complex code as to what I've got in there atm
16:19.25Eraphine|LabI'll have to try it out
16:19.34Wobin_Hehe tree tracing...
16:19.39Eraphine|LabMr. Plow seems really useful, I didn't realize it could do bank as well.
16:19.46Wobin_Yeah, just added it =)
16:20.38Wobin_Since the actual sorting really doesn't take that much processing, I could complexify it up a lot without too much noticable difference...
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16:21.14ckknighthey all
16:21.23Wobin_'lo ck =)
16:22.18HoJ|Slaymanaren' regular users not allowed to create polls in the forums?
16:23.17sedatedChipmunkeyo
16:23.17HoJ|Slaymanaren't regular users allowed ... bad (double negation)
16:25.03TainGoddamn Dell shipped my new monitor to the wrong address.
16:25.47HoJ|SlaymanTain: rofl
16:26.14HoJ|Slaymanmy new parts are not completely gathered yet ...
16:26.28TainI have no idea if they'll just leave it there or what.  gah
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16:34.36Eraphine|Labhyper!
16:34.57Eraphine|LabWhat font are you using in BattleGround_Fubar?
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16:51.29Shyvaguys, what happens if you whipe at ragnaros while he is submerged? does he emerge immediately again, or does he wait as he normaly does?
16:51.29[MoonWolf]eeeeeuh
16:51.29[MoonWolf]not a clue personally
16:51.42Shyva;p
16:53.04Shyvasomeones has to know it :P
16:55.18[MoonWolf]stayes under for the apointed time then resets
16:55.21[MoonWolf]so people tell me
16:55.33TainWhy can't I find the stupid Minimap functions to set the textures
16:55.59[MoonWolf]there is one to do it in the svn
16:57.00Wobin_have a look at squeenix
16:57.40Taingah found it, thanks
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17:00.06TainI didn't even realize it was Tuesday.
17:00.12TainThis day is NOT improving as it goes on.
17:02.21TainIt is pretty cool though that Catalyst is just shy of 25000 dowloads on wowi.
17:03.23[MoonWolf]Tain, your mod is the fastes rising mod EVER
17:04.03Shyvaooh, thanks [MoonWolf] !
17:05.21TainWhat mod?
17:05.39hyperChipmunkCatalyst is tem's
17:05.46hyperChipmunksorry tain
17:05.48hyperChipmunkyou suck
17:05.52hyperChipmunknobody wants your mods
17:06.00hyperChipmunkeverybody wishes you were more like Tem
17:06.17[MoonWolf]damnit
17:06.25[MoonWolf]i keep confusing tain, tem , tard everything
17:06.36otraviJust like everyone wishes that [MoonWolf] was MoonSorrow?
17:06.42otravior reversed :<
17:07.16[MoonWolf]yeah
17:07.37Wobin_feh
17:07.38Wobin_Me too
17:10.25Ratbert_CPIck!
17:13.29otravi:OOOO
17:13.39otravi*opens AceWardrobe.lua*
17:14.52otraviwhy doesn't it use itemid :<
17:15.15Wobin_I was just thinking that
17:15.32Wobin_But then again, itemids have drawbacks
17:15.48Wobin_if it's not in your cache and you try to wear an outfit you defined a long time ago?
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17:16.03NeronixEvening
17:16.29Wobin_Then again.
17:16.33Wobin_Screw that =)
17:16.53Wobin_If you've not had the item long enough for it to drop out of cache, you won't be worried about wearing it
17:17.00otravithen again Wobin_, why would you still have that outfit?
17:17.10Wobin_yeah =)
17:17.25Wobin_So! ItemIDs for Acewardrobe!
17:17.34Wobin_Okay otter, hop  to it =)
17:17.42otravi*gasps*
17:18.30Neronixwoo, everyone loves me long time for making AHProtectWin <3
17:18.46otravi~pat Neronix
17:18.48purlACTION pats Neronix and says "Nicely Done!"
17:18.53otravi:D
17:18.57Neronix:)
17:19.14Neronixthat alone's making learning to code worthwhile
17:19.46Wobin_It prevents trade windows when browsing the AH?
17:19.56id`Neronix: :-)
17:20.01NeronixStops the AH window from being accidentally closed
17:20.14Neronixby opening the spellbook, quest log, etc
17:20.26otraviMaybe I should download FuBar and make a oRA GUI on it :p
17:20.26Wobin_cool =)
17:20.44Wobin_Can you make it so you -can- open those windows alongside the AH window?
17:21.18Neronixit's already like that
17:21.29Neronixthe only window you can't open is the world map
17:21.45Kaeltenok this scares me
17:21.46Kaeltenstring.gsub(text, "([|]?[h]?)%[(.-)%]([|]?[h]?)", ace:call(self, "LinkifyName"));
17:21.52Kaeltenwhat thehell does that pattern mean?
17:21.53Wobin_cool
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17:21.54Neronixbecause it apparently has some code that closes a bunch of frames
17:22.04Kaeltenhey ker
17:22.34Neronixis that one of those regex things?
17:22.34otravithat one looked.. strange
17:22.44otraviyes
17:22.47Kaeltenyes it is
17:22.48NeronixI see
17:23.07Wobin_oh
17:23.10Wobin_I see
17:23.17Wobin_it rejigs the link so it's a proper link
17:23.35Wobin_a clickable link, that is
17:23.58Kaeltenso it takes [bob] and tries to call LinkifyName with [, bob, ]?
17:23.58Wobin_not that I know of a situation where it might be done...
17:24.18kergoth`Kaelten: http://kergoth.com/projects/wow/wiki/Code/NewOOModel/Impl .. is that any more comprehensible than the one you currently have?
17:24.29Wobin_~lua gsub
17:24.39kergoth`Kaelten: rearchitected to make it easier to understand, and to make things a bit more consistent
17:25.37Wobin_Kaelten: No, it replaces [bob] with the result from LinkifyName
17:25.49Wobin_in the string text
17:26.20Wobin_I'm not sure where LinkifyName is getting it's arguments from though
17:26.59Kaeltenwobin from gsub apparently
17:27.08Wobin_can't see how
17:27.49Kaeltentext = "[bob]"
17:27.50Kaeltenstring.gsub(text, "([|]?[h]?)%[(.-)%]([|]?[h]?)", function (...) ace:print(unpack(arg)) end)
17:27.54Kaeltenthat prints bob
17:28.14Wobin_oh interesting
17:28.25Wobin_I didn't know gsub passed it to the function
17:28.28Kaeltenkergoth: looks cleaner, however I'll still have to edit it to get it to run in wow
17:28.30Kaeltenaparently
17:28.44kergoth`Kaelten: why?  i fixed the _G reference to be a bound local
17:28.52Wobin_Are you the author of AceWardrobe, Ratbert_CP ?
17:29.16kergoth`anyway, the goal was to make it easier to grasp. the old code wasnt exactly easy to follow
17:29.41Kaeltenkergoth require doesn't exist in wow
17:29.57Ratbert_CPNo, I wrote/write/agonize over BagBoy.  I was looking at adding AceWardrobe "support", and was disgusted by the use of names...
17:30.13Kaeltenlocal Factory
17:30.13Kaeltendo
17:30.21Kaeltenwhat does do do when there are no arguments?
17:30.33kergoth`its just a scope.  locals defined inside it wont be visible outside it
17:30.33Ratbert_CPIt's kinda nice to *not* sell or trash items that are part of a wardrome management set.  (Already support ItemRack)
17:30.55Ratbert_CPs/wardrome/wardrobe/
17:31.05ckknighthyperChipmunk, did you get GloryLib all nice and shiny?
17:31.19Kaeltenwhats ClassFactory and Prototype?
17:31.38kergoth`read the comments.
17:31.45kergoth`i didnt document much, but that i did document
17:32.05hyperChipmunknever got into AB, but it SHOULD work...really don't like not being able to test it live
17:32.25kergoth`in that implementation, a class is an object factory. it creates objects.  a classfactory creates classes.
17:32.38kergoth`i'll add syntactic sugar where Class's __call actually runs ClassFactory:new()
17:33.41Neronixgah, someone's flaming me for saving my .toc as utf-8
17:33.49Neronixis that actually a bad thing?
17:34.04Kaeltenhmm
17:34.21kergoth`that isnt a bad thing, unless they're on a shitty OS that doesnt support unicode
17:34.25Neronix"... but even with changing the Interface version to 11000 it still shows as an out-of-date addon because the .toc files have been saved in the UUTF-8 format!"
17:34.34kergoth`ahh
17:34.41kergoth`that still doesnt make any sense.
17:34.47Kaeltenhmmf odd
17:34.57Wobin_hm string.gsub("(|?h?%[(.-)%]|?h?)"
17:34.59kergoth`utf8 is compatible with ascii/latin1 unless you use chars outside of ascii
17:35.00Wobin_should work just as well
17:35.18NeronixI'm not
17:35.21Wobin_or even %b[] =P
17:35.33kergoth`wow will have no problem reading it unless you used » or something in it
17:35.42Neronixand any accents/umlauts in the localised description fields are done with escapes
17:36.05kergoth`right, so the 1, 1, 0, 0, 0 characters are all perfectly valid ascii still
17:36.05Neronixhmm
17:36.14Neronixyeah
17:36.18kergoth`thats the main advantage of utf8 in the first place
17:36.21kergoth`heh
17:36.27kergoth`sounds like your user is on crack ;)
17:36.33kergoth`but i'd test it to check sanity anyway
17:36.36Neronixwas about to say the same thing
17:36.42Neronixyeah, I will
17:46.17Kaeltenwell guyss I'm out, back to work/
17:47.04Neronixhmm, interesting
17:47.10NeronixI'm getting that guy's problem
17:47.30NeronixI'll rewrite the toc from scratch rather than copy/pasting from wowwiki and see if that works
17:49.33HoJ|Slaymanxraid is creating a huge lag on hiding and reshowing the interfac
17:49.34HoJ|Slaymane
17:51.22otraviI've noticed that also :<
17:52.36HoJ|Slaymanotravi: glad I'm not the only one on that
17:53.53otraviI'm actually going to investigate on that matter today =\
17:54.00otraviit annoys the shit out of me
17:58.56Neronixhmm, rewriting the TOC fixed it :S
17:59.56Neronixno wonder... it was saved as 8-bit >.<
18:00.31[MoonWolf]lol
18:00.35[MoonWolf]what are you up too ?
18:00.44[MoonWolf]plaintext man , plaintext.
18:01.33Neronixchanged it back to utf-8... out of date
18:01.40Neronixvery strange indeed
18:09.06Mikma\o/ wiping at onyxia rocks
18:09.12Mikmaunskilled tanks ftw!
18:10.21Mikmahahaa, ony "healed" from 5% to 46% ;D
18:10.30Mikmasomeone evaded propably
18:10.50otraviMikma: Your guild likes to heal bosses :p ?
18:11.10Mikmayeah us priests are focusing on healing bosses since our tanks suck
18:17.25Eraphine|LabhyperChipmunk what font do you use ?
18:21.01hyperChipmunkBitstream Vera Sans
18:21.17[MoonWolf]Is that a monospace font ?
18:21.18Wobin_[MoonWolf]: Okay. I've changed the sorting function for MrPlow
18:21.32hyperChipmunkit has a monospace version
18:21.41[MoonWolf]cool, ill check it out soon Wobin_
18:21.45Wobin_[MoonWolf]: It now optimises the actual moving, so it moves as little as possible to get everything in the right place
18:21.59Wobin_I've not commited it quite yet =)
18:22.42hyperChipmunkhttp://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/ttf-bitstream-vera/1.10/
18:22.55[MoonWolf]with later i mean, after i got  my new level and that is going to take at least another hour.
18:23.04kergoth`Neronix: that doesnt make any sense.  it being 8 bit shouldnt be a problem unless you have characters that use the 8th bit :)
18:23.50[MoonWolf]are you sure that goes up for toc files ?
18:24.08Eraphine|Labwhat version are you using in the screenshot for Fubar_Battleground?
18:24.08Neronixdoesn't make sense to me either
18:24.25hyperChipmunkjust the regular Sans
18:24.37Neronixbut it works when saved as normal text, and doesn't when converted to utf-8
18:24.47Wobin_dear god =P
18:24.47Eraphine|LabDo you use it for your regular chatboxes too?
18:24.58NeronixI'll annoy slouken or whoever next time he pops into wowi-lounge
18:24.59Wobin_Well, you no longer can see MrPlow lining everything up neatly
18:25.15Wobin_But you can watch him chase alllll over your inventory chaining huge replaces together =P
18:25.22[MoonWolf]unless you manually plow it firt ?
18:25.28Wobin_I think it's more entertaining, this way =)
18:26.06[MoonWolf]predict where the item is going to end up :P
18:26.10Wobin_Just from a random messing up I did on a character with 70 bagspaces
18:26.17Wobin_I saved 21
18:26.19Wobin_moves
18:26.34[MoonWolf]at least it will cut of tie.
18:26.36[MoonWolf]time*
18:26.42Eraphine|LabHrm... is there a way to update a directory of hybrid svn non-svn folders?
18:27.13Neronixselect them all, right click one of the svn dirs and cclick update
18:27.18Neronixif you're using tortoise
18:27.19Eraphine|Labah
18:27.22Eraphine|Labk thanks
18:27.25Neronixnp
18:27.26Wobin_And really, that's the only way I can improve memory usage...
18:27.34[MoonWolf]kk
18:27.38Wobin_Since I think the majority of memory increase is due to the 'moving' of the items
18:27.43[MoonWolf]you did what you could i can ask no more.
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18:28.18[MoonWolf]hello cairenn.
18:28.23Cairennhey :)
18:28.23Eraphine|Labhola
18:28.32Eraphine|LabNice Wobin
18:28.38Eraphine|LabI'm excited to try it
18:28.44Cairennckknight: I've moved FuBar out of Beta for you
18:28.47Eraphine|LabMostly for the auto-stack functionality
18:28.51ckknightgood stuff
18:28.59ckknightI'm updating all the plugins now
18:29.04ckknightand adding a feature list to each
18:29.13Wobin_I'm going to add one more thing before I commit... bag to bank stacking
18:29.18CairennI know, I'm approving them ;)
18:30.30Cairenn*wonders how long it takes until he realizes*
18:30.31[MoonWolf]Wobin_, you know people are going to ask for the reverse if you include that.
18:30.44ckknightrealizes what?
18:30.45Wobin_That's alright =)
18:31.04Wobin_well.. kinda...
18:31.05Cairennyou'll see
18:31.09Wobin_hm
18:31.31Wobin_I'm going to be working on the idea that it will move any item in the bags that match the items in the bank and stack them there
18:31.49Wobin_So it won't exactly work if they do it one way, then the other...
18:32.00Wobin_which is what I'd be doing for an AH mule...
18:32.12Wobin_Maybe move only full stacks back?
18:32.19Eraphine|Labthat works.
18:32.28Wobin_Or move -all- full stacks from the bank?
18:32.37Eraphine|Labno..
18:32.38Wobin_Cause I'm not sure how to determine what to move or not
18:32.58Eraphine|Labeasiest thing to do is...
18:33.04Eraphine|Labhold-control, click on item,
18:33.07Eraphine|Labmoves all stacks
18:33.17Eraphine|Labsome combination of clicks.
18:33.19Wobin_back and forth
18:33.24Eraphine|Labof that item only
18:33.34Wobin_maybe a secret handshake
18:33.46Wobin_MrMasonPlow
18:34.05Eraphine|Labyou know what would be superuseful
18:34.12Eraphine|Lab"move cursor to"
18:34.30Wobin_heh, MrPlow is still only 146k on load
18:34.46Wobin_How do you mean, move cursor to?
18:35.00Eraphine|Labnm - it's not something mrplow should be responsible for
18:35.07Eraphine|LabI'd just like a /move command
18:35.08Eraphine|Lablike..
18:35.26Eraphine|Lab./move Wrath inv
18:35.31Eraphine|Lab./move Wrath bank
18:35.42Wobin_And moves a set?
18:35.47Eraphine|Labdoesn't need to be a set
18:35.53Eraphine|Laball items that match string
18:35.54Eraphine|Labso..
18:35.58Wobin_ah
18:36.00Eraphine|Lab./move cen inv
18:36.07Eraphine|Labwould move items in my bank with cen in them to my inventory
18:36.22Eraphine|LabI just have the hardest time finding things in my bank sometimes
18:36.23Wobin_interesting
18:36.38Eraphine|Laband itemrack doesn't automatically move items from the bank to the inventory when I equip the set
18:36.48Wobin_I'll look into that...
18:37.03Eraphine|Labwell - don't do it on my behalf - it's something itemrack should have
18:37.20[MoonWolf]AYE
18:37.25Wobin_Don't see why not =)
18:37.36[MoonWolf]bloat
18:37.45Wobin_146kb so far =P
18:38.18Wobin_GuildFu is about the same size
18:39.04[MoonWolf]Are we talking filesite or loaded file size ?
18:39.26Wobin_loaded filesize
18:39.29Wobin_according to warmup
18:40.14Wobin_filesize, I'm hitting about 750 lines
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18:40.23Eraphine|Labthat's nothing
18:40.37Eraphine|Labwhat is the actual filesize? 15kb?
18:40.59Eraphine|Labi'm excited
18:41.27Eraphine|Labhey hyperChipmunk do you have a font addon? or did you just replace fritz__.ttf in data?
18:45.04Wobin_24k =)
18:46.24Wobin_I've updated to SVN if you want to play around with it
18:46.34Wobin_I'm going to go work on bankstacking now =)
18:49.07otravi<PROTECTED>
18:49.09otravidamn
18:49.14otravispace ftl :(
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18:52.18Eraphine|LabHi Lucen
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18:52.27Eraphine|LabWobin - will do when I get home
18:52.27Lucenhowdy
18:52.43ckknightalright
18:52.45ckknightall uploaded
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19:02.39Cairennckknight: see what I'm talking about yet?
19:02.45ckknightno
19:02.47ckknightI have no idea
19:02.54ckknightand I think it's very rude to not tell me
19:03.04Cairennhttp://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/index.php?cid=47&dp=0&sh=full&so=desc&sb=lastupdate
19:03.30Cairennand I do hope you were joking with the "rude" comment
19:03.44ckknightFuBar category?
19:03.48Cairennyes
19:03.54ckknightinteresting
19:03.55Cairennyou have your own category :p
19:04.01Wobin_nice =)
19:04.02ckknightshiny
19:04.22CairennI thought you'd be pleased, not annoyed because I didn't want to spoil the surprise, I'm sorry
19:04.55ckknightI just didn't know what you were referring to
19:04.59ckknightcool, though
19:05.08ckknightbtw, it seems that I don't have permissions to download FuBar...
19:05.17Cairenn*blink*
19:05.27ckknightnor do other people who have commented
19:05.39Cairennchecking, hang on
19:05.41ckknightYou do not have permission to access this file or page. This could be due to one of several reasons:
19:05.57Cairennfixed
19:05.58Cairennsorry
19:06.06Cairennmissed a check mark on the permissions page
19:06.10Eraphine|Labckknight do you update your svn first or wowi first?
19:06.21ckknightsvn, always
19:06.44ckknightmy packaging deal just svn updates, takes out the .svn, and zips
19:10.45hyperChipmunkthey're multiplying!
19:11.02Cairenn|afk2hehehe
19:11.09ckknightjw, could it be possible to put all the FuBar plugins into the FuBar category?
19:11.31kergoth`ckknight: are you stripping the .svn's manually?  svn's export command does that automatically, if you are
19:11.41ckknightI see...
19:11.59kergoth`svn export FooWC Foo, where FooWC is your working copy of svn, iirc
19:12.00Cairenn|afk2it *could*, but it makes as much sense to leave them in the plugin category
19:12.02hyperChipmunkdoes it also pick up lib files from other directories =p
19:12.07kergoth`or you can export from the svn url directly
19:12.12kergoth`rather than from a working copy
19:12.27kergoth`heh, dunno chipmunk
19:12.31Cairenn|afk2your choice as main addon author
19:12.37Cairenn|afk2if you want me to move them, I will
19:12.57ckknightcairenn, if the plugins don't go there, then what's the point of the category?
19:13.03Cairenn|afk2attention
19:13.14ckknightall it'd have is FuBar in it and nothing else
19:13.22Cairenn|afk2the fact that it's popular enough to warrant it's own category
19:13.34Cairenn|afk2its*
19:14.01hyperChipmunkno
19:14.05hyperChipmunkoh n/m
19:14.08hyperChipmunkit's/its
19:14.28hyperChipmunkservers are up; hopefully I'll get a quick ab matcdh
19:14.30ckknightpersonally, I think it's odd to have one thing in a category
19:14.36ckknightgood stuff, hyperChipmunk
19:15.17ckknightI think it should either be in the interface enhancements or the the plugins should be in the FuBar category as well
19:16.07kergoth`ckknight, if you have a minute, take a look at http://kergoth.com/projects/wow/wiki/Code/NewOOModel/Impl and let me know if its easier to grasp (i'll add more comments and document it later, just a general opinion)
19:16.11Cairenn|afk2moved them
19:16.27ckknightsure
19:17.49ckknightcool, thanks, Cairenn
19:18.05Cairenn|afk2np
19:19.15ckknighthey, shiny
19:19.22ckknightthe starter pack broke the top 10 downloaded
19:19.59hyperChipmunkhave you uploaded glorylib yet?
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19:23.54id`glorylib? -_^
19:24.11id`is there a makewafflezforidlib too?
19:24.38id`maybe with a +blueberrysauce plugin
19:24.45NeronixMakeWaffles() isn't in the API :(
19:25.20Neronixnor can the API turn on my networked waffle-making-machine-thing
19:25.37Neronixsorry for the bad humor... incredibly bored :P
19:27.17ckknighthyperChipmunk, GloryLib is not on WoWI yet
19:27.46ckknightonce you update, give your stamp of approval
19:27.53ckknightI'll upload it and HonorFu
19:28.39Eraphine|LabhyperChipmunk , do you use a font addon? or did you globally replace?
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19:35.29hyperChipmunkk
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19:38.06hyperChipmunkboss, how come when I detach my tooltip, it disables some of my right-click options
19:38.16ckknight?
19:38.23ckknightwhat do you mean by that?
19:38.26hyperChipmunklike
19:38.33hyperChipmunkwhen I click on "Detach ToolTip"
19:38.37ckknightyea
19:38.41hyperChipmunkHide Minimap Button gets greyed-out
19:38.54hyperChipmunkand the Tooltip Display gets greyed out (though you can still mouse over the arrow and get the submenu)
19:38.56ckknightfor LocationFu?
19:39.00hyperChipmunkBatFu
19:39.04ckknightokay...
19:39.05ckknightum
19:39.12hyperChipmunkshow icon gets greyed out too
19:39.13ckknightpastebin batfu
19:39.22hyperChipmunkit happens to all of 'em =P
19:39.26ckknightokay
19:39.27ckknighttesting.
19:39.43hyperChipmunkand the re-attach tooltip is disabled on the detached tooltip =x
19:39.48Mikmayello
19:39.58Mikmathank god the headache stopped finally
19:40.13hyperChipmunkit happens when you reload with no detached tooltips only
19:40.21hyperChipmunkand then detach the first one
19:40.53ckknightcan't reproduce
19:41.06ckknight....
19:41.48ckknightshow icon works fine
19:42.02ckknight(testing with PerfFu)
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19:43.36ckknightscreenshot?
19:48.42hyperChipmunkk
19:49.04hyperChipmunkmaybe jsut me then
19:49.56ckknightscreenshot it
19:51.18ckknightkergoth, what was the name of the unitframes deal you told me about last night?
19:55.56Mikmahttp://wow.reaktio.net/comix.jpg here's the current look ok my UI :)
19:56.46hyperChipmunkokay:
19:56.58ckknightI definitely use aceheal to do my healing, instead of having all those buttons
19:57.16Mikmackknight: i have aceheal :)
19:57.16hyperChipmunkif no tooltips are detached when I load my UI, and any tooltip is then detached afterwards, this happens to all addons
19:57.25hyperChipmunksec, somoene has our flag
19:57.33ckknightMikma, then why so many heal buttons?
19:58.17hyperChipmunkhttp://69.14.77.214/badperffu.png
19:58.23hyperChipmunkand a comparison:
19:58.25Mikmackknight: sometimes i wanna save mana by doing 50% lower heals than any others are doing on MT so i use the buttons on the row on top
19:58.30hyperChipmunkhttp://69.14.77.214/badbatfu.png
19:58.35hyperChipmunkhttp://69.14.77.214/goodbatfu.png
19:58.43Wobin_I'd like it if Aceheal took advantage of +healing
19:59.06Codayusyeah...
20:00.08ckknightcan you click them, hyperChipmunk ?
20:00.41Mikmackknight: since you're one of the coding-geniuses, why does aceheal bug with targeting? :(
20:00.56hyperChipmunkno
20:01.11Codayusincidentally, the new SCT shows overheals.  really nice for seeing in realtime how your healing...
20:01.19hyperChipmunkalso, all detached tooltips have Re-Attach Tooltip and Cancel greyed out
20:01.25hyperChipmunkbut everything else normal
20:01.39ckknightMikma, because the author forgot to sacrifice the untouched virgin before publishing, afaik
20:01.57Mikmackknight: cool, can you fix it?
20:02.04ckknightI haven't looked at the code
20:02.08ckknightbut I could
20:02.08Wobin_Sure, are you a virgin?
20:02.21MikmaWobin_: sadly no :(
20:02.26Wobin_Bugger
20:02.40Mikmabut i'm sure we'll find some virgin for ckknight to sacrifice
20:02.52ckknightshucks
20:02.54Wobin_We could replace it with a small furry animal
20:02.58Wobin_Hey TEKK!
20:03.08[MoonWolf]Does it have to be human and is there an age limit.
20:03.12ckknightno, the blood of animals isn't nearly as strong
20:03.30ckknightpreferably it's best to sacrifice the young christians
20:03.55[MoonWolf]Let me suggest babies, completly innocent, 99% sure they are virgins
20:03.57Wobin_Well if it worked for Isaac
20:04.00Mikmahmm i have a problem with ClockFu
20:04.04ckknightonly a few drops of blood wil let the matzah balls stick together
20:04.06ckknightMikma, yea?
20:04.11Mikmait doesn't show the date in last line, only #x
20:04.19ckknightoddd.
20:04.20ckknightodd*
20:04.30Mikmayeah, i updated it moment ago and still it does the same
20:04.31ckknightnot getting that
20:04.42hyperChipmunklemme delete my svs
20:07.02Mikmackknight: i think you propably don't need a screenshot?
20:07.24Mikmait's just "#x", nothing else
20:07.44ckknightin WoW now?
20:07.51Mikmaand btw, i've have had issues like that before with chat timestamps
20:07.52Mikmayeah
20:08.00hyperChipmunkbleh, it happens when you go the other way too
20:08.03ckknightI know the problem, Mikma
20:08.08ckknightdon't know why it got like that, though
20:08.16hyperChipmunkif you have detached tooltips, and the first one you reattach makes everything go wonky
20:08.31Mikmackknight: i think EU version is abit different than US
20:08.40ckknightokay
20:08.46ckknight<PROTECTED>
20:08.48Mikmai think..
20:08.49ckknighttype that in
20:09.01Mikma#x
20:09.43hyperChipmunkTuesday, April 18, 2006
20:09.53hyperChipmunknot clock's fault
20:09.58Mikmait's either Mac-issue or EU-version
20:10.00hyperChipmunkOS?
20:10.03ckknightMac issue
20:10.03ckknight...
20:10.04Mikmaos x
20:10.05hyperChipmunkyep
20:10.09ckknightdammit
20:10.15ckknightokay
20:10.20Mikmasorry :(
20:10.21hyperChipmunkdate is os-specific
20:10.24ckknightI'll get to the bottom of this, but you'll have to be my debugger
20:10.34Mikmasure, glad to help
20:11.35ckknight<PROTECTED>
20:12.08Mikma04/18/06
20:13.31ckknight<PROTECTED>
20:14.22MikmaTuesday, April 18, 2006
20:14.39ckknightalright
20:14.45ckknightthat's what I'll be going with from now on
20:15.38ckknightokay, committed
20:16.53Mikmathank you :)
20:17.05ckknightlikely, I'll be reworking most of AceHeal
20:17.11ckknightfound some glaring bugs already
20:17.13ckknightlousy tables
20:17.41Mikmahey that's awesome :) I really hate the "out of range, next click will retarget to someone" -bug
20:17.50ckknightoh, that's an easy fix
20:17.54ckknightwhat happened to the original author?
20:18.10Mikmasomeone said he hasn't got any time to update it anymore
20:18.18Mikmasaid it here in irc
20:18.53ckknightwell, I may just claim it from him
20:19.03ckknightI don't like Ace* names, though
20:19.31Mikmachange it ;)
20:19.43Mikma"original version from plaa, thanks to him!"
20:20.29Lucenthirster's not coding at all anymore?
20:20.34Wobin_yes, please keep up Aceheal =)
20:21.29ckknightquestion: if and when I do take it over, should I keep the AceHeal name?
20:21.45hyperChipmunkmost people seem to know it as aceheal
20:21.56ckknightfair enough
20:22.41ckknightI really think Ace* stuff should be part of ace, though
20:23.28Mikmahmm if you're taking it over and doing tricks for it you can either keep the original name or change it, it's up to you :)
20:23.59Mikmayou can always say "original AceHeal still works but you can also try my remake of it called *something*"
20:24.15hyperChipmunkAceNoun is usually stuff *in* ace
20:24.36hyperChipmunkI don't think any in-ace stuff is a Verb
20:24.37ckknightI think I'd call it something else, but have AceHeal = OtherName
20:24.54kergoth`i think including ace in the name encourages that elitist competitive ace vs cosmo type attitude that i hate
20:25.03kergoth`when it isnt part of ace, anyawy
20:25.06ckknightyea
20:25.39ckknightokay, someone think of a good name
20:25.46ckknightit has no real UI
20:25.51ckknightSimpleHeal or something?
20:25.53MikmaRealHeal
20:25.55hyperChipmunkPleasePlayMyClassForeMe
20:26.11Mikmais ClickHeal taken?
20:26.24ckknightClickHeal's a damn good name
20:26.47Mikmait's taken
20:26.52Mikmahttp://www.curse-gaming.com/mod.php?addid=2728
20:27.09ckknightdamn
20:27.13MikmaMouseHeal xD
20:27.43ckknightnah, too lame
20:27.45Mikmahey now i got it! FuHeal
20:27.51ckknightno, it's not part of FuBar
20:27.59Mikma"fuck you -heal"
20:28.25Mikmaalso optional, send a "fuck you" private to the one who's being healed
20:29.08ckknightno...
20:29.12ckknightTekkub's good with names...
20:29.35MikmaMuleHeal meh
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20:30.08hyperChipmunksimpleheal was pretty good
20:30.14hyperChipmunkassuming it's actually simple
20:30.46Mikmasounds familiar tho
20:32.29ckknightnope
20:32.31ckknightdoesn't exist yet
20:32.53Mikmafor some reason i don't get the VolumeFu's mouseover feature
20:33.43Mikmaoh, it's for windows?
20:34.01Mikma"Quick Sound Fix"
20:34.29ckknightyea
20:34.39ckknightsome sound cards
20:34.47Mikmagotta install that to my GF since she has the bug
20:35.05ckknightokay
20:35.27ckknightyou know, I'm gonna admit it
20:35.29Mikmackknight: lazyheal ;)
20:35.34ckknightFuBar is pretty schnazzy now
20:35.41ckknightshnazzy*
20:35.53hyperChipmunksnazzier if I ever get into AB
20:36.09ckknightnah, not LazyHeal
20:36.17Mikmackknight: thank you for making FuBar, i really hate titan from the bottom of my heart
20:36.27hyperChipmunkalso, snazzier if it did't decide to disable my menu entries and readjust my spacing
20:36.30ckknightas did I
20:36.40ckknightspacing?
20:36.51ckknightthe disabling of menu entries makes no sense whatsoever
20:36.56ckknightthat's a game bug, I'm guessing
20:37.12hyperChipmunkhttp://69.14.77.214/goodbatfu.png vs. http://69.14.77.214/badbatfu.png
20:37.37ckknightI saw, hyperChipmunk
20:37.38hyperChipmunkI'm wondering if somehow the text are getting shifted up...but the click points stay?...or something
20:37.47hyperChipmunkyea, but that's the spacing thing too
20:37.50ckknightoh
20:38.05ckknighthrm
20:38.09Mikmackknight: btw this might have nothing to do with TopScoreFu but it bugs sometimes when i cmd+m my game to windowed. the scores shown will be split to two lines, meaning it goes over the bar's edges
20:38.27ckknightokay, gonna redo the spacing thing, hyperChipmunk
20:38.40ckknightodd
20:38.41hyperChipmunkoh here
20:38.45Mikmahappens with long, 4 numbered numbers
20:38.58hyperChipmunkis there normally a highlight on mouseover of blank lines in the menu?
20:38.58ckknightMikma, I need to figure out how to check when it goes into windowed...
20:39.00Mikmathat didn't make any sense, sorry :)
20:39.09ckknightno, hyperChipmunk
20:39.09Mikmackknight: GetCVar?
20:39.13hyperChipmunkI'm getting them
20:39.15ckknightMikma, I need an event
20:39.18hyperChipmunkI see what's wrong
20:39.37hyperChipmunkit's exactly every entry that's right before a blank line
20:39.44hyperChipmunkthe click is still staying on the blank line
20:39.50ckknightMikma, anyone know of a way to put wow into windowed mode in Windows?
20:39.51hyperChipmunkand the entry is moving up
20:39.54ckknightwithout going to video options?
20:39.57Mikmackknight: oh yeah, right :P i had that problem once with my own addon but can't remember how i fixed it
20:40.03hyperChipmunkclicking on the blank line doesn't actually DO anything...but it does "click"
20:40.09Mikmackknight: from options i think
20:40.15ckknighthang on, hyperChipmunk
20:41.20ckknightthat is odd, hyperChipmunk
20:42.37hyperChipmunki jus' report 'em
20:42.56hyperChipmunkthe shift seems to happen on the first line
20:42.58hyperChipmunkif that helps
20:43.16ckknightgonna pastebin
20:43.17Mikmawhen the game goes into window mode it uses SetCVar("gxWindow",1)
20:43.26hyperChipmunkif you'll notice, the stuff I specifically recolored aren't greyed out
20:43.30hyperChipmunkbut you still can't click them
20:43.36clad|sleepckknight: You're re-working AceHeal?
20:43.38hyperChipmunkthe battlefield headings
20:43.47ckknightclad|sleep, the people wan tit
20:43.49ckknightwant it*
20:44.09clad|sleepckknight: Meh.. I just need to know who my competition is =)
20:44.13ckknightlol
20:44.15ckknightcompetition?
20:44.17Mikmackknight: so, can you use OnUpdate to check if (GetCVar("gxWindow") == 1) then ?
20:44.18clad|sleepI'm going to be releasing a standalone click-casting mod very soong
20:44.19ckknighthyperChipmunk, http://ace.pastebin.com/667989
20:44.20clad|sleepbased on WatchDog.
20:44.33ckknightwell, AceHeal is for a lot of different UnitFrames
20:44.36cladhaireCause the people have asked for it
20:44.39cladhaireSo is WatchDog
20:44.39hyperChipmunkso I can release this? it's a fubar thing?
20:44.39cladhaire<PROTECTED>
20:44.51ckknighthyperChipmunk, what?
20:44.57cladhaireI have compat modules written for almost every AceHeal compat module there is =)
20:45.05ckknightoh
20:45.06hyperChipmunkis it a problem with fubar?
20:45.09hyperChipmunker
20:45.11ckknightyea, hyperChipmunk
20:45.11id`Im looking for a VERY VERY VERY lightweigt XML feed application that will tell me when there is an update, something in my taskbar or something (by all means no fricken balloons)
20:45.12hyperChipmunkbatfu
20:45.14id`anyone?
20:45.15cladhaireThe only reason people'll still want it is the heal selection.. which i REFUSE to do.
20:45.15ckknightno, FuBAr
20:45.17hyperChipmunkk
20:45.33ckknighthyperChipmunk, replace the dropdown stuff in Utils.lua with the code I sent
20:45.37ckknightin the pastebin
20:45.42hyperChipmunkwill do
20:45.42Mikmacladhaire: gief beta :D
20:45.51cladhaireMikma: gief?
20:45.58ckknightcladhaire, heal selection?
20:46.07Mikmacladhaire: wow-slang, "give"
20:46.23ckknightno, Mikma
20:46.24ckknightbad.
20:46.28Mikmausually used in a sentence: gief epix
20:46.35cladhaireMikma: Sure =)
20:46.41cladhaireckknight: Auto-ranking of heal spells
20:46.52cladhaireckknight: I.e. only cast a large enough heal to cover the defecit.
20:46.55cladhairewhich is retarded imo =)
20:47.13cladhaireand I say that as and end-game raiding Priest and Druid =)
20:47.27ckknightwhy?
20:47.32cladhairewhy is it retarded?
20:47.35ckknightyea
20:47.38ckknightI find it handy
20:48.26cladhaireBecause if someone is missing X hit points, they won't be when the spell lands, period
20:48.27cladhaireI dont allow mods to make decisions for me, as in which spell to cast
20:48.27ckknightmaybe if you had an option...
20:48.33ckknightsometimes people only require a small heal...
20:48.42ckknightand what if you don't have much mana?
20:48.43cladhaireso cast a smaller heal
20:48.50ckknightbut there's only one click
20:48.59hyperChipmunkheh, boss =)
20:49.01cladhaireAha.. and therein lies the problem
20:49.03kergoth`no, theres all sorts of clicks
20:49.04cladhairethere's not just one click
20:49.20cladhairethere's 9 clicks PER mouse button =)
20:49.27ckknightI don't want that
20:49.53cladhaireI have four heals, a 500 HP heal, a 1000 HP heal , and 2000 HP heal and a flash 1000 HP heal.
20:50.04cladhaireAgain, personal preference
20:50.12ckknightI like to have renew, heal, and flash all be middle button
20:50.16ckknightthen use shift for renew
20:50.19ckknightand ctrl for flash
20:50.35cladhaireNot to mention spellbook parsing, +healing gear, buffs, etc that tend to make the logic flawed as it is.
20:50.38ckknighthyperChipmunk, did it fix it?
20:50.39Eraphine|Labcladhaire is watchdog supposed to hook the ctraid frames?
20:50.48cladhaireNo
20:50.55cladhaireEraphine|Lab: THere's no need with CTRA
20:51.01TainI won't be a healer in a game again, most likely.  But I kept them all completely separate hotkeys.
20:51.03cladhaireEraphine|Lab: Click-Casting done right
20:51.31hyperChipmunkhttp://69.14.77.214/menufixedfixed.png and http://69.14.77.214/ttfixedfixed.png
20:51.34Eraphine|Labso, if write the scripts correctly, there's no need to setup the button config in aceheal, right?
20:51.39TainAnd I can't stand click-casting. :)
20:51.45cladhaireEraphine|Lab: What do you mean?
20:51.54NeronixI've never tried clickcasting
20:51.57cladhaireckknight: The same people who want heal selection tend to want Mana conserve.. and I don't support any of them on a gameplay standpoint, and I certainly won't be adding any of them to WatchDog-- just based on the added code that would be necessary
20:51.57Eraphine|Labaceheal and watchdog both support click casting.
20:52.07cladhaireas well as CastParty.. but not really =)
20:52.14cladhaireThisterhall and I pretty much cornered the market
20:52.14Neronixwhen I had my old pally, I just click targetted and pressed the right number for healing
20:52.21Neronixsame with a druid I didn't take past lv27 :P
20:52.49Neronixthen again, back then I was more retarded than I am now
20:52.57cladhairelol
20:53.01Eraphine|Labif setup the click-casting in watchdog, I don't have to in aceheal right?
20:53.09cladhaireEraphine|Lab: Yes you do
20:53.17Eraphine|Labwhy?
20:53.20cladhaireEraphine|Lab: We don't HOOK anything in Ctra.. but we give CTRA a custom click-casting function
20:53.36TainI wouldn't play a raid healer so my setup wouldn't work in that situation.  I'm too used to f1-f5 (or whatever) to target party members and then press the button to heal.
20:53.37cladhaireEraphine|Lab: You have both AceHeal and WD installed?
20:53.39Eraphine|Labyes
20:53.40TainNo mouse allowed.
20:53.41cladhairewhich one are you using to click-cast
20:53.41cladhaire?
20:53.47Eraphine|Labwell .. I have no idea
20:53.52Eraphine|LabI set them both to the same bindings.
20:53.56Eraphine|Laber the same scripts
20:54.02Eraphine|LabI use WD_unit
20:54.22Eraphine|Labso I don't actually know which one is providing the click-cast functionality.
20:54.37cladhairewell you can enable/disable the click-casts for CTRA in the /wdog options panel
20:54.39cladhairebottom right
20:54.57Eraphine|Labaight
20:55.04cladhaireckknight: Just was curious what focus you were going with in AceHeal.. to see how much we'd overlap.
20:55.05Eraphine|LabI'll play with that when I get home
20:55.47ckknightcladhaire, I just wanted to fix the bugs and such
20:55.54ckknightand recognize +healing
20:55.55Eraphine|Labcladhaire aren't you completely against the spell-choosing features of aceheal, aside from level-restriction?
20:56.04ckknightand make it memory unintensive
20:58.29cladhaireEraphine|Lab: Well, level restriction is covered in WatchDog already with "Smart Buffs"
20:58.43cladhaireckknight: Nice =)  Just check with Devla.. I know he's been doing a lot with it, and he's a stand up chap =)
20:59.02Eraphine|Labhttp://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4803
21:00.00cladhaire*shudder*
21:01.16Eraphine|Labnm.. too invasive
21:02.00cladhairei can't download atm
21:02.03cladhairemy computer is borked
21:02.04cladhaireapparently
21:02.11ckknighthyperChipmunk, did that code fix your dropdown issues?
21:04.06Mikmackknight: this:RegisterEvent("CVAR_UPDATE"); ? :)
21:04.11hyperChipmunkhttp://69.14.77.214/menufixedfixed.png and http://69.14.77.214/ttfixedfixed.png
21:04.33hyperChipmunkckknight: ---^
21:05.28ckknightthat's a yes?
21:05.43ckknightcause it's loading slow
21:06.41ckknightah, I see
21:06.57ckknightweird
21:07.03ckknightit's possibly a compost bug...
21:08.17*** part/#wowace Cairenn|afk2 (n=Karen@CPE00045a2bfcbc-CM000f212f84be.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com)
21:08.28Mikmackknight: the event i pasted get's fired when the game goes into windowed mode, but i didn't get it to work yet
21:08.38ckknightoh
21:08.40ckknightI already know that
21:08.48ckknightit won't catch it unless there's 3 variables sent
21:09.02ckknightso SetCVar("windowed", "1") won't do anything
21:09.33Mikmahmm damn
21:09.36ckknightwell, won't fire anything
21:09.46Mikmano wonder it didn't work then
21:10.57Mikmaif (event == "VARIABLES_LOADED" and (GetCVar("gxWindow") == "1")) then - works in console reload but not when changing to windowed/fullscreen
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21:12.58Mikmai'll try it later on OnUpdate, now i tried it with OnEvent
21:12.58ckknightokay, hyperChipmunk
21:13.03ckknightI seriously can't reproduce the bug
21:13.10hyperChipmunkhm
21:13.26hyperChipmunkwell that's good then
21:13.28ckknightI'm not doing it OnUpdate
21:13.38ckknighthyperChipmunk, I blame your machine
21:13.41hyperChipmunkmight be something on my end
21:13.50kergoth`cladhaire: you know if kael ever got an svnadmin dump of the opensvn to pull history over to wowace?
21:14.09ckknightfucked up version of compost that doesn't erase when you reclaim, my best guess, hyperChipmunk
21:14.45hyperChipmunkso we can blame tek?
21:15.25ckknightdunno
21:15.35ckknightalso, it might just be somthing fucked with your dropdown boxes
21:16.09hyperChipmunkok, maybe this helps
21:16.23hyperChipmunkhere I thought it was a detach-related thing
21:16.30hyperChipmunkit happens whenever i click on anything
21:16.39hyperChipmunkand then reopen the menu
21:16.59ckknighttest this
21:17.08ckknightgo to the adddropdownspacer part
21:17.10hyperChipmunkhmmm
21:17.15ckknightand replace the compost stuff with straight tables
21:17.27hyperChipmunkk
21:18.29hyperChipmunki just deleted compost
21:18.46hyperChipmunkoh now this is weird
21:19.01hyperChipmunkif I right-click on the bar
21:19.07hyperChipmunkand just keep rightclicking
21:19.23hyperChipmunka ripple of disabled goes through my bar =x
21:19.28hyperChipmunker, my menu
21:19.37hyperChipmunkeach click, it moves up
21:19.40ckknightwhy did you delete it?
21:19.59hyperChipmunknono
21:20.02ckknightwoah
21:20.06hyperChipmunkthe compostlib i had as a directory
21:20.09hyperChipmunkstandalone
21:20.13ckknightI'm getting the same thing if I continuously right-click
21:20.20hyperChipmunkweird, eh?
21:20.26kergoth`hmm, methinks i'll add some inspection to compostlib
21:20.42hyperChipmunknow, that's a pretty snazzy effect
21:20.48hyperChipmunkbut I don't think it's intended
21:21.12hyperChipmunkyou really gotta see it with a full BatFu queue menu to appreciate it =)
21:21.13ckknightit's a compost bug, methinks
21:21.24ckknightcause with straight tables, it doesn't happen
21:21.37hyperChipmunkgonna test that now
21:23.22ckknightand now I can't cause the error again...
21:25.37hyperChipmunkheh
21:25.41hyperChipmunkwhen I do it with a detached tooltip
21:25.49hyperChipmunkeven the title gets into the act
21:26.03hyperChipmunki see:
21:26.06hyperChipmunkBattlegroundFu
21:26.08hyperChipmunk<space>
21:26.12hyperChipmunkArathi Basin
21:26.14hyperChipmunkChange INstance
21:26.17hyperChipmunkLeave Queue
21:26.23hyperChipmunkBattlegroundFu again!
21:26.39ckknight...
21:27.13hyperChipmunkclick it again, and the title moves to the next place there would be a space
21:27.19hyperChipmunkthis is so cool
21:27.44hyperChipmunkscrew fixing it; I can amuse myself with this during hour-long queues
21:28.30hyperChipmunkpredict where they'll end up next!
21:28.32hyperChipmunkthere must be a pattern
21:28.48ckknighthow do I change the mouse cursor?
21:29.53hyperChipmunkSetCursor
21:30.31hyperChipmunkUsage: SetCursor("cursor")
21:34.21hyperChipmunk\
21:36.17Mikmadamn.. i wonder what addon shows AQ-classes on items with orange color
21:38.20kergoth`heh
21:38.28kergoth`compostlib doesnt seem to be doign what it should
21:38.59Mikma!!! grr GFW_AdSpace
21:39.15ckknightkergoth, hrm
21:39.25ckknightisolating the bug is imperative
21:39.35kergoth`i just did 20 GetTables, and then reclaimed those 20, and all went into the secondary cache and were freed
21:39.40kergoth`it didnt maintain 10 in the primary cache
21:40.03hyperChipmunkmake it stop crapping up my menus yo
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21:43.57Eraphinehrm.. why does mr.plow need periodic table?
21:46.12Mikmawild guess is it uses itemID to see the data from PD on how the items stack
21:46.15Mikmadunno :P
21:50.05ckknightokay, I have it so FuBar now changes the cursor when you move to the left of the bar to resize it
21:51.39hyperChipmunknifty
21:52.52Mikmackknight: the good news and the bad news.
21:53.36ckknightyea?
21:53.38Mikmackknight: OnUpdate works with if (GetCVar("gxWindow") == "1") then
21:53.44ckknightyes, I know that
21:53.46Mikmackknight: and it's OnUpdate :(
21:54.12ckknightmaybe some other event fires...
21:55.11Mikmai'll try now ACTIONBAR_UPDATE_USABLE with OnEvent
21:57.40ckknightFuBar committed
21:58.22Mikmawhat's new?
21:59.20ckknightthe cursor changes when you can resize the bar
22:00.10Mikmathis:RegisterEvent("DISPLAY_SIZE_CHANGED"); ?
22:00.16ckknightcheck it out
22:00.21Mikmaokies
22:00.22ckknightI'm not sure if it will fire for that or not
22:01.03Mikmawell i think it's for resizing the display :P
22:01.26Mikmanope, didn't fire
22:01.45ckknightokay
22:02.03ckknightdoes anyone know the function that reloads the graphics?
22:04.02Mikmathere's some interesting event's registered within blizz' code :D
22:04.59MikmaUIParent.lua:   this:RegisterEvent("BILLING_NAG_DIALOG"); :D
22:06.10Mikmaand some comments are rather funny too
22:06.18MikmaBonusActionBarFrame.lua:        this:RegisterEvent("UPDATE_INVENTORY_ALERTS");  -- Wha??
22:06.32ckknightlol
22:07.23MikmaUnitFrame.lua:  --Hack for pets
22:07.47hyperChipmunkoh man
22:07.49hyperChipmunkshow tem that
22:07.52hyperChipmunkoh man
22:07.57ckknight?
22:07.57Mikmahaha yeah
22:07.58hyperChipmunkthat is golden
22:08.03Mikmaoh wait, this is better
22:08.10MikmaWorldMapFrame.lua:              -- Temporary Hack
22:08.13ckknightlol
22:08.18hyperChipmunkin reply to "it uses the word hack, which is *never* good"
22:08.25ckknightah
22:08.35TainCan't use the WorldMapFrame then, against the rules.
22:08.57hyperChipmunkYES! Arathi Basin!
22:09.04ckknightlol
22:09.06ckknighthooray
22:09.19hyperChipmunkfudge
22:09.35hyperChipmunkit's only showing half the bases
22:09.35hyperChipmunkwtf
22:09.45pagefaulthttp://spinhome.org/
22:09.45pagefaultwtf
22:09.53pagefaultwhy I won't donate to freenode this year
22:09.53hyperChipmunkreloadui fixes
22:10.04kergoth`heh, our donations to freenode fund him buying toys
22:10.06kergoth`sad
22:10.09MikmaChatFrame.lua:          -- Remove the "cheat" part later!
22:10.23Mikmathis one is my personal favorite:
22:10.25MikmaChatFrame.lua:          -- Do more stuff!!!
22:10.35kergoth`ooh, stuff.
22:10.36pagefaultI wonder when the IRS will come knocking on his door
22:10.46pagefaultobviously stuff like that can't be tax exempt
22:12.56id`Tekkub: http://www.alertbear.com/
22:12.57id`xD
22:13.31ckknightfound it: RestartGx()
22:13.41MikmaReputationFrame.lua:-- Hard coded =(, will need to change when we up the level cap
22:14.05Mikmahehe, SpellBookFrame.lua:     -- If there are tabs waiting to flash, then flash them... yeah..
22:14.57kergoth`hehe
22:15.20pagefaultdeleted minigroup2?
22:15.35Mikma?
22:16.11pagefaultMikma, I use some addons kergoth puts together, just commenting on the latest SVN snapshot
22:16.50Mikmapagefault: ok you got me scared for a moment there ;)
22:17.21Eraphinehrm.. what does it in mean warmup when it puts a purple gc next to an addon?
22:18.39ckknightokay, Mikma, I theoretically fixed the bug
22:18.43ckknightcare to test it?
22:19.24Mikmayeap
22:20.41ckknightcommitted
22:20.42Mikmalol i broke my wow, can't either logout or quit the game
22:20.47ckknightlol?
22:20.55ckknighthow'd you accomplish that?
22:21.11Mikmai have no idea, the commands simply don't do anything
22:21.16Mikmaor the buttons in menu
22:21.28MikmaForce Quit ftw
22:21.41ckknightlol
22:21.42ckknightokay
22:21.44ckknightwell, I committed
22:21.48ckknightso test that, if you will
22:22.08Mikmai will as soon as i get the tarball downloaded, seems laggy
22:22.27ckknight:-P
22:22.34ckknightyou should just use svn, straight up
22:22.50ckknightthat way you download like 200 bytes to update
22:22.54ckknightinstead of the entire tarball
22:23.06pagefaulthmm I think my visor is busted
22:23.08Mikmai would if i knew any good clients for os x
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22:24.12ckknightI'm not a Mac fan
22:24.38pagefaultmac's are just PC's in a fancy case now
22:24.52ckknightthe software is different
22:25.01Mikmahttp://www.apple.com/macmini/ :P
22:25.05Mikmackknight: not anymore :)
22:25.12ckknightyes it is, Mikma
22:25.27ckknightit uses OS X by default
22:25.44pagefaultwell you can always install windows on it :P
22:25.55ckknightyea
22:25.59ckknightbut then it's not a real mac
22:26.01ckknightand you know it
22:26.06Mikmatrue
22:26.12kergoth`http://kergoth.com/luabits/OO/objfoo3.lua
22:26.14kergoth`http://kergoth.com/luabits/OO/objfoo3test.lua
22:26.16Mikmabut it still has multiboot
22:26.20kergoth`need to know if thats comprehensible
22:26.36Mikmamy wow ain't working anymore :( i can't get into game
22:26.36pagefaultif I had a mac i'd probably put linux/windows on it
22:26.41pagefaultOS X doesn't have great performance
22:26.50ckknightyea
22:27.27pagefaulti'm not a fan of their universal binary stuff either
22:27.37pagefault2x the binary size just so people don't have to "worry" about what PC they have
22:27.58id`http://www.feedvalidator.org/check?url=http://svn.wowace.com/rss.php?repname=Ace+SVN&path=%2Ftrunk%2F&rev=0&sc=0&isdir=1
22:28.01id`:|
22:28.17id`any rss reader i install complains too
22:28.20id`waht am i doing wrong?
22:29.34id`nm got it
22:31.14Mikmackknight: would you believe me if i say it doesn't split up in windowed mode but it does in fullscreen
22:31.34ckknightodd
22:31.57ckknightdid the most recent commit fix it?
22:32.32kergoth`"We've heard that a million monkeys at a million keyboards could produce the complete works of Shakespeare; now, thanks to the Internet, we know that is not true."
22:33.22hyperChipmunkI love that quote =)
22:33.29Mikmackknight: nope. here's what it does. when i'm in windowed and i enable healings in TopScoreFu the line breaks when entering fullscreen
22:34.00ckknightweird...
22:34.08Mikmackknight: but if i enable it fullscreen it doesn't break when changing between the modes
22:34.11ckknightI wish I could test this
22:34.41ckknightanyone know how I could bring WoW in and out of windowed mode in Windows?
22:34.54Mikmadoesn't the checker in options work?
22:35.04ckknightyea
22:35.15ckknightbut I thought I already fixed it hat way
22:35.20ckknighthang on, I figured out a way
22:35.22kergoth`hyperChipmunk: me too. one of today's quotes of the day
22:35.46ckknightSetCVar("gxWindowed", "1"); RestartGx()
22:36.44Mikmadoes that work?
22:37.23ckknightit's /script SetCVar("gxWindow", "1"); RestartGx()
22:37.24Mikmatry: SetCVar("gxWindow",1); RestartGx()
22:37.26ckknightbut yea
22:38.20Mikmahey you should also make a "ViewToggleFu" which enables that to windows platforms :D
22:38.42Mikma"windowed/fullscreen with 1 click!"
22:39.10hyperChipmunkso, like um
22:39.30ckknightokay, is your TopScore 4 digits?
22:39.40hyperChipmunkwhy does only half my battlefield scoreboard display
22:39.41Mikmackknight: yeap
22:39.47ckknight?
22:39.53hyperChipmunkI have to reload the ui
22:40.00Mikma3683/2638
22:40.01[Ammo]grrrrr
22:40.13ckknightwhat's the problem, [Ammo] ?
22:40.14[Ammo]I thought I fixed startura start trigger for Bigwigs
22:40.15[Ammo]but failed
22:40.24[Ammo]so now I have to wait a week to test it again
22:40.34MikmaAQ?
22:40.38[Ammo]yeah AQ40
22:40.51[Ammo]the whirling devil is dead atm
22:41.16ckknightwhat spell, Mikma ?
22:41.20MikmaBattleguard Satura?
22:41.27[Ammo]yeah mikma
22:41.32hyperChipmunkwee, batfu released
22:41.49Mikmackknight: Greater Heal + Critical Greater Heal, was previously Flash Heals when splitted too
22:42.01Mikma[Ammo]: too bad we're not that far yet so can't help you :(
22:42.11[Ammo]we wiped on fankriss some after taht
22:42.16[Ammo]seems they patched him
22:42.21[Ammo]or rather his spawns
22:42.26[Ammo]they now enrage after 10 seconds
22:42.31[Ammo]and hit for 15k
22:42.42[Ammo]so you either killthem in 10 seconds or die
22:42.58Mikmasounds imba :D
22:43.03[Ammo]we were definately not expecting that
22:43.10[Ammo]first time after patch we tried fankriss again
22:43.13[Ammo]due to lag problems
22:43.17Mikma"patched" or "bugged" ;)
22:43.20[Ammo]patched
22:43.23[Ammo]it's even in the notes
22:43.38[Ammo]to compensate they lowered fankriss's health
22:43.52hyperChipmunkwtf is up with compost
22:44.01[Ammo]what's wrong with it?
22:44.13hyperChipmunkit's being crazy
22:44.15hyperChipmunkthat's what
22:44.42hyperChipmunkdude, he's already out of the closet..he's over in the corner there
22:44.51[Ammo]oh
22:45.01[Ammo]doh
22:45.14[Ammo]didn't mean it that way
22:45.15[Ammo]meh
22:45.31[Ammo]time for bed I think
22:45.55[Ammo]o/~
22:45.55Mikmahttp://www.razzle.de/images/wow/mk_fly1.jpg
22:46.00hyperChipmunkheheeh
22:46.05Mikmahttp://img229.imageshack.us/img229/585/lemore2cr.png
22:46.13hyperChipmunklol mik
22:46.26Mikmathe last one is pretty funny
22:47.59Mikmahttp://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i14/Ghosten/WoW/bear.jpg
22:51.17Mikmawell i do know how to mount as skeleton but how to do that in shapeshifted
22:56.51Mikmahttp://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i14/Ghosten/WoW/bear.jpg
22:56.54Mikmawhops
22:57.00Mikmahttp://www.curse-gaming.com/movie.php?movid=74
22:57.07Mikmathere, last wallwalk the movie by dopefish
23:00.44Neronixsweet merciful jesus
23:00.54Neronixmy virgin eyes do not want to see that pic ever again!
23:01.03Neronixk?
23:03.13Mikmawhat pic
23:03.41TekkubAMMO!
23:04.08NeronixMikma: the one with the bear mounted on a leopard
23:04.18MikmaNeronix: disturbing ain't it? ;)
23:04.28Tekkubwhatcha say to the event "BIGWIGS_TELL", args: target, message
23:04.28NeronixVery
23:05.34MikmaTekkub: privmsg spam on bosses?
23:06.04Neronixhey Tekkub, randomish question: What's the differences between the old version of warmup on ui.worldofwar and the version on the svn?
23:06.08NeronixCan't find a changelog :<
23:07.01TekkubYes Milk, but not in the core mod, he'd have to put it in oRA_BigWigs or something
23:07.10TekkubI don't want BW core sending anything to chat
23:07.13ckknightcommitted FuBar
23:07.21ckknightMikma, your problem is completely fixed
23:07.38MikmaTekkub: that would be best solution to have it in oRA_BigWigs, and toggleable on and off
23:07.42TekkubNero: colors, removed all the options...
23:07.45Mikmackknight: testing :)
23:07.53Neronixok, thanks
23:12.25kergoth`id`: i have http://svn.wowace.com/rss.php?repname=Ace+SVN&path=%2F&rev=0&sc=0&isdir=1 on my netvibes.com page, so seems to work there somewhat
23:14.05Mikmackknight: nope :(
23:14.23Mikmackknight: now it hides the last one, showing only: crit/
23:14.31ckknightblast
23:14.33ckknightwell
23:14.37ckknightthat's the best you get
23:14.48ckknightfor now, at least
23:14.50ckknightgah
23:15.00Mikmahehe :)
23:15.44ckknightI can no longer reproduce the bug
23:16.43Mikmawell i disabled healings, and toggled the game to windowed. then i enabled the healings again to get xxxx/xxxx shown and toggled to fullscreen and the last line disappeared
23:17.05ckknightand how big was your windowed screen?
23:17.30Mikmaumf...
23:17.44ckknightrough estimate
23:17.49ckknightof your total screen percentage
23:18.35Mikmafullscreen of my mac is 1024x768 and the windowed mode of wow is something like 800x600
23:20.47ckknightgonna commit one more time, Mikma
23:21.02Mikmaand i'll be testing
23:21.19ckknightcommitted
23:21.28ckknightif it doesn't work this time, there's really nothing more I can do
23:22.56ckknighthyperChipmunk, did you upload GloryLib with the TTV stuff?
23:24.32Mikmackknight: then i'll just have to hope that slouken fixes that issue ;)
23:24.47ckknightnot working for you?
23:24.58Mikmadoes the same, hiding the normal damage
23:25.02ckknightoh well
23:25.08ckknightit works fine for me now
23:25.15ckknightI just have no way to test
23:26.17Mikmawell good thing that 90% of wow's players use windows :P
23:26.22ckknightyea
23:26.44Mikmathese mac-clients seem to be rather buggy
23:27.39Mikmaandreasg has the best experience from that :P he fought with a crash-bug for some while before he got it fixed (mg2)
23:28.14Wobin_<Eraphine> hrm.. why does mr.plow need periodic table?
23:28.32Wobin_yes, Mik's right, it uses PT to sort
23:28.54Eraphinei didn't realize that mr.plow sorted
23:29.05Wobin_=)
23:29.07MikmaEraphine: yeah it can sort :)
23:29.18Mikmathat's the first thing i noticed about it
23:29.43hyperChipmunkto wowi? no
23:29.52hyperChipmunkckknight: it hasn't changed since last night in the svn
23:30.07hyperChipmunkckknight: it works; the ttv stuff will have to wait for another time
23:30.33MikmaGenius name that Mr.Plow
23:30.40Mikmaalways reminds me of Homer
23:30.47Wobin_hehe, that's Tekkub's suggestion =)
23:31.08Tekkub^^
23:31.10Mikmasoon someone will make a "Plowking" addon to replace Mr.Plow
23:31.11Wobin_And I took it and ran it into the ground =)
23:31.13ckknightokay, hyperChipmunk
23:31.20Mikmathen you'll have a huge war
23:31.28Wobin_I was considering writing an enginv thing and calling it that =)
23:31.40Mikmahehe
23:32.35ckknightSenor Plow no es macho
23:32.48Wobin_Oh I -so- need a spanish version =P
23:32.55Wobin_Pity there isn't a spanish localisation =)
23:33.31MikmaMendeleev should have the same feature as AdSpace, /ads [item] to paste the classes into raid
23:33.57Mikmaand because AdSpace is so stupid it needs to have the classes enabled to show them in raid ,,!;.
23:34.27kergoth`heh, i have both ads and mendy loaded and now theres annoying duplication between them.  need the location where you buy stuff in a different addon
23:34.31kergoth`:\
23:34.41Mikmakergoth`: /adspace
23:34.53kergoth`ah, can disable parts of it?
23:35.01Mikmadisable the AQ and ZG thingies, but then you lose the raid-paste feature
23:35.31ckknightI should do scrollable tooltips
23:36.16Mikmawell someone should do a good tooltip-addon.. TipBuddy is just too damn big
23:36.36CodayusI like TipBuddy.  :-)
23:36.39MikmaAF_Tooltip + Target of Target
23:36.42kergoth`tipbuddy is a beast.
23:36.52Mikmawell i like TipBuddy only because of the ToT support
23:37.15kergoth`yeah, that is nice
23:37.31CodayusYeah, ToT = win.  It also does good positioning of tooltips so they don't block frames when anchored to the mouse...which was hard to find back when I started using tipbuddy
23:37.35kergoth`i'm using aftt_extreme atm, and using gymnast to handle positioning of the non-unit tooltips
23:38.02Mikmakergoth`: did you take the 0.4 version yet?
23:38.11kergoth`yeah, havent playd with it much yet though
23:38.28Mikmasee my codepiece from the comments
23:38.34kergoth`k
23:38.48Mikmai don't understand why he made it only to show players as 3D models
23:39.01kergoth`Mikma: http://kergoth.com/projects/wow/changeset/3344 :P
23:40.35Mikmai'm wondering what sucks up recourses with aftte 0.4.. it's over 120KiB when 0.3 was 60KiB
23:41.34Mikmakergoth`: confused now
23:41.35kergoth`jeeze
23:42.18Mikmayou just downloaded them and put in trac?
23:43.13kergoth`i download it, import into vendor/[whatever it is]/current, copy that to vendor/[whatever it is]/[version] to tag it for safe keeping, then i use svk to merge the changes to the trunk, so i get teh update without losing my local changes
23:43.17kergoth`the whole addon set is in svn
23:43.56kergoth`http://kergoth.com/projects/wow/timeline?from=04%2F18%2F06&daysback=2&wiki=on&milestone=on&ticket=on&changeset=on&update=Update
23:44.04kergoth`foo, ugly url
23:47.56MikmaAdSpace is annoying, why won't it show the item-stats in raid if they are turned off :P
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23:56.43Mikmawell i did leave a comment about it on his website, let's see what he does
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