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00:00.43pagefaultyeah MG isn't hiding
00:01.04pagefaulthmm now it is
00:01.09pagefaultall I did was uncheck and check the option
00:01.10pagefaultodd
00:01.51kergothweird
00:02.01grolltain ah ok thanks :)
00:03.22MikmaHAHAHA http://www.worldofwar.net/comics/heroesofwow/chapter22/index.php
00:11.04MikmaTain: http://tinyurl.com/qe5pm
00:13.37pagefaultkergoth, I love that pvp warning thing
00:13.50pagefaultit just saved my ass already
00:14.00grollnice Mikma
00:14.20TainVery nice looking!
00:15.06Mikmatook 30mins to edit the fogs out and put it in right place but atleast it doesn't require discord art :D
00:15.21pagefaulthahahahaha
00:15.26pagefaultthat comic is funny
00:16.10Mikmathe funniest thing about that comic is we just ended our MC run ;9
00:16.21Mikmaso let my imagination running when i saw that hehe
00:17.57Tekkub*growL8
00:18.00pagefaultyeah I need to go back there
00:18.09pagefaultI only have one piece of my armor right now
00:18.10Tekkubcan I kick people?
00:18.16Tekkub<--- in a mood
00:18.45pagefaultkergoth, 34mb here
00:19.29pagefaultalthough initial was only 29.3
00:21.44Tekkubplease please please can I tell my whiney user to go fuck themselves?
00:22.09MikmaTekkub: yeah sure, it's your life :)
00:22.20TekkubFUCK YOU MILK!
00:22.26Tekkubokey I feel a bit better
00:22.35MikmaTekkub: fuck you too suckup
00:22.49Tekkubsuckup?
00:22.57Mikmayeah :D
00:23.15Tekkubexplain...
00:23.28Mikmawell atleast i think they are called that..
00:23.39Tekkubcon(Fusion)
00:24.00Mikmahard to explain hmm
00:24.36Mikmathey have this cup which can be pressed into surface (ie. mirror), the pressure inside the cup will make the whole thing stick in the mirror
00:25.10kergothsuction cup, iirc
00:25.15kergothhmm, need food
00:25.31Mikmakergoth: yeah that one hehe
00:25.49Mikmahttp://wow.reaktio.net/Mikma.tga there's the minimap texture
00:26.38Mikmabut i think i'll have to resize it abit more tho, it needs to be adjusted couple of pixels
00:28.01TekkubI'm a suction cup?
00:29.08Mikmasure if i'm "milk" or whatsoever
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00:30.09pagefaultkergoth, this is a good addon, this warlock one
00:33.47id`Mikma: lol :p
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01:43.35id`Anyone awake? I need some 1.10 love
01:43.39id`:p
01:43.46id`well, idMinimap needs it
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01:51.20otravi*m wakae
01:51.23otravipartly =\
01:51.29otravijust came back'
01:51.46otravifriend "dinged" 27 today :p
01:52.08id`:p
01:52.16id`gz xD
01:53.00otraviI'm wonder how I got back into this lan party =\
01:53.08id`http://ace.pastebin.com/662430
01:53.14id`thats hiw idMinimap is now
01:53.17id`havent tested it yet
01:54.10id`The problem is I dont know how to create frames and then convert <Scripts><OnMousewheel> and <OnUpdate> etc to lua, e
01:54.24id`i need those to for updating the location and the mousewheel scrolling
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01:56.56otraviframe:SetScript("OnMousewheel", someFunction)
01:57.00otraviI Thnk
01:57.05otravithink..
01:57.30otravi(maybe just ignore me, I jost got home)
01:57.43TainYeah use SetScript and the first arg will be whatever the event is, OnUpdate, OnClick, whatever
01:57.47id`oh right flashback
01:57.50id`xD
01:57.57id`k
01:58.49id`Tekkub: I'm ripping out your Squeenix and im putting it in idMinimap
01:58.52id`Tekkub: muhahaha'
01:59.06id`s/out/apart/
01:59.07id`:<
01:59.27Tekkub*shrug* it was a 10-min rip of SquareMinimap anyway
01:59.57otravierr,does that addon actually have some code?
02:00.22Tekkubhrm?
02:01.08Tekkubthe old one was just a texture override, yes... the new one is lua since Mr Louken gave us a scriptwise way to set the MM mask
02:01.28Tekkubso I Ace'd the bitch up *grin*
02:02.30otraviS
02:02.32otravi:---D 9
02:02.34id`Where can i find docs about Ace 1.3? and how to do things in 1.10? (http://pastebin.com/662438)
02:02.40id`:P
02:02.41otravidamn, numpad is off :(
02:02.57TainI have never gotten around yet to updating my custom minimap to an actual addon
02:02.58otravi6err.. or on ;<
02:03.11TainEven though it would technically just be two lines of code I think.
02:03.21Tekkubindie, did you come back to WoW or something, we were enjoying the quiet round here
02:03.41Tekkubyea Tain, it's damn simple to do :)
02:03.46id`Tain: mine is too but they whined about slash commands and setting things off and on
02:03.50hyperChipmunkenjoying the quiet?
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02:03.57hyperChipmunkthen I have failed >8(
02:04.07Tekkub<PROTECTED>
02:04.07Tekkub<PROTECTED>
02:04.08Tekkub<PROTECTED>
02:04.21TainYeah yeah
02:04.38Tekkubthe Top one isn't needed really either
02:04.48Tekkubthe texture there is a blank :)
02:05.29TainYeah I don't use the top at all
02:06.23TainI'm online shopping for a new monitor.  Or at least researching.
02:07.31TekkubBoss's SVN is activly denying my requests... fucker
02:07.39Tekkubsomeone make him use AceSVN
02:07.57TekkubTain: Viewsonic panels FTFW!
02:08.30TainYeah I almost pulled the trigger on a 19in Viewsonic, 2ms grey to grey.
02:08.54hyperChipmunkconnection refused for me too, tek =\
02:09.02TainExcept for people complaining about the stand not being adjustable, and I have a pretty limited desk setup right now.
02:09.03hyperChipmunkI have stuff from this morning, if there's something specific
02:09.10hyperChipmunkI can put it up for ya
02:09.39Tekkubno biggie chip, at least he fixed DuraFu
02:09.47TekkubI need to doublecheck what he did :)
02:10.40hyperChipmunkah
02:10.43hyperChipmunkmine's still the old one
02:11.05id`How do i 'unset' SetScript?
02:11.25id`set the script to an empty function? (seems rather dirty..)
02:11.33TainI really do still want a Dell 2005FPW, 20.1" wide
02:11.49id`Ill do that for now
02:12.04hyperChipmunkwell, tek
02:12.10hyperChipmunkif you're really bored
02:12.20hyperChipmunkyou can take a look at this GloryFu and tell me why the heck it's crashing wow
02:12.37hyperChipmunkit's the last hurdle I have, and it's a pain in the neck
02:14.48Tekkubheh, food shortly, so nope chipper
02:15.26hyperChipmunkwell it's up at http://ace.pastebin.com/662450 if anyone wants to take a look
02:15.32hyperChipmunkas far as I can tell, it happens somewhere in there
02:15.44id`wowwiki only has CreateFrame :<
02:17.48id`ah-ha! CreateTexture
02:26.47id`ah found the widget api
02:45.50kergothTain: you should get one.  watch for the dell deals, there's always good ones.  hit dealnews or gotapex.  i love mine :)
02:46.48kergothid`, you see vim7 went beta?  its up to 7.0d beta now. stabilizing :)
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03:08.11Tainkergoth I ended up doing it, was a 20% discount thing going on.
03:08.31id`kergoth: yes :)
03:08.43id`kergoth: but im still not touching it until release :(
03:08.56id`kergoth: need to have a stable vim for work every day, without it im lost
03:09.16id`kergoth: oh and im back at wow if you havent noticed :-) Working on a new version of idMinimap atm
03:09.36id`oh gay i dide ahilt alt+tabbed
03:09.39id`died*
03:11.45id`Question: Addon.db:set(var,val) <-- I just have to set a few booleans. val can be 1 or 0?
03:12.21otravi<PROTECTED>
03:14.02id`m?
03:16.40TainAll values must be m
03:22.41id`hail M
03:22.50id`_o_
03:23.01id`\o/
03:23.05id`_o_
03:23.12id`\o/
03:23.56id`so Tain, will 1/0 do or do i just use true/false, or?
03:24.15id`ah man it so feels good to be back
03:24.25id`i really missed the tinkering with the ui
03:24.27id`:(
03:25.30Tainoh uh you can do either actually, Ace saves true as 1 and false as 0 anyway
03:26.05id`mmkay
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03:26.15id`5:30 AM
03:26.20id`need to get this done
03:26.21id`:p
03:26.32TainNope only 11:30 here.
03:31.17ckknighthyperChipmunk, hey, how's GloryLib doing?
03:31.35hyperChipmunkstill crashing >8(
03:31.39ckknightdamn
03:43.55hyperChipmunkI liked my mod better when it worked >8*(
03:44.24TainWiser words may never have been spoken.
03:46.42id`http://ace.pastebin.com/662542
03:46.44id`its almost ready
03:47.33id`bah the DB saving isnt working :(
03:51.36id`if i do /idmm tog mwheel
03:51.38id`it goes on
03:51.41id`if i do it again
03:51.47id`it goes off
03:51.50id`(great!)
03:51.56id`but then it keeps saying its off
03:51.57id`:\
03:52.52id`<PROTECTED>
03:53.13id`ah
03:53.31id`<PROTECTED>
03:53.34id`Tain
03:59.55hyperChipmunkthis makes no fricking sense
04:00.43Temcladhaire: you around?
04:02.02TainWell 0 is a value so it will technically not be nil
04:02.37Temlook the latest comments and see ifyou can guess how I feel right now
04:02.44Temhttp://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4827&jump=5964#cmnt5964
04:03.03TainThe problem is if you set MouseWheel to nil then it will remove the value entirely and not save it to your svs
04:03.12Temoh id`
04:03.15TainSo you have to code with that assumption.
04:03.19Temyour minimap addon does more than it needs to
04:03.49Temid`: you can call EnableMouseWheel so that you don't need to use an overlay frame
04:04.42id`Tem: It also draws the coordinates on the bottom of the border of the minimap
04:04.53Temyeah, you still don't need an overlay frame
04:05.00id`:o
04:05.09TemI use idMinimap
04:05.36id`:-)
04:05.50TemI have to go for a bit in just a moment, but when I get back I write up a version that uses CreateFrame
04:05.58id`Tem: wait!
04:05.59id`:p
04:06.04id`http://ace.pastebin.com/662542
04:06.21Temoh, you're ace'ing it?
04:06.25id`been workin on that, its 6AM, tomorrow ill get the square minimap in
04:06.26id`yes
04:06.39id`they asked for slash commands on the wowi forum
04:06.42id`its still only 7kb..
04:07.22Temheh
04:07.28TemI'll work from that
04:07.37id`meh tireeddddd im gunna roll over from my chair onto my bed
04:07.56id`nn
04:07.58Temoh, I see a problem
04:08.02Temyou're using 1 and 0
04:08.09id`sec posting latest
04:08.10Tem0 is still considered true in lua
04:08.25id`http://ace.pastebin.com/662555
04:08.26id`there
04:08.44Temkay
04:08.51id`bai
04:08.53Tem|AFKlater id`
04:14.42hyperChipmunkis there a way to fake an event?
04:16.26Tem|AFKhyperChipmunk: sort of...
04:16.31Tem|AFKbut it's dirty
04:16.36Tem|AFKvery very dirty
04:16.42hyperChipmunkkinda desperate at this point
04:16.49Tem|AFKare you in Ace?
04:17.01hyperChipmunk"in" ace?
04:17.01Tem|AFKand what are you trying to fake out?
04:17.05Tem|AFKyour own addon?
04:17.09Tem|AFKor someone else's?
04:17.12hyperChipmunki'm triggering this event to find out why it's crashing wow
04:17.19hyperChipmunkit only fires in battlegrounds
04:17.25hyperChipmunkand crashing in battlegrounds to fix something ain't cool
04:17.32Tem|AFKhaha
04:17.38Tem|AFKhmm
04:17.41Tem|AFKnot really then
04:17.58hyperChipmunkwell hmm
04:18.07hyperChipmunki can map a regular function to the event response
04:18.09hyperChipmunkand call that maybe
04:18.49Tem|AFKdo that
04:19.12Tem|AFKthough, you might be triggering the crash with a Battlefield API that does nothing when not in the BG
04:19.22Tem|AFKanyway...
04:19.23hyperChipmunkwe will see, won't we?
04:19.27TainI don't know, joining a bg over and over again so you can crash sounds like fun.
04:21.09hyperChipmunkok
04:21.13hyperChipmunkyou wanna do that for me then?
04:21.43TainAh I have to do my nails that night.
04:27.25hyperChipmunksweet, I crashed wow
04:27.31hyperChipmunkon command =)
04:27.36hyperChipmunkNOW we're getting somewhere
04:28.04hyperChipmunkand I've got a test script all snazzed up
04:28.29hyperChipmunkwow crash, your days are numbered!
04:32.30hyperChipmunkdude, it doesn't even get past the first line
04:32.32hyperChipmunkwtf
04:32.36hyperChipmunkhow do you debug that crap
04:32.47hyperChipmunki have a print(1) as the first line of the function
04:32.53hyperChipmunkand I get nuthin
04:33.26hyperChipmunkI'm way in over my head here =\
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05:06.24Wobin_feh
05:06.38Wobin_I'm ending up with more errors with Metrognome than without
05:06.42Wobin_And they're all not my addon that's causing it
05:18.08hyperChipmunkwell I isolated the crash
05:18.12hyperChipmunkbut it doesn't help me any =(
05:19.29Tem|AFKwhat's causing it?
05:21.48hyperChipmunklooping through a table of string patterns
05:22.47hyperChipmunkI'm isolating the code and trying it
05:22.54hyperChipmunkgimme a sec and I'll pastebin something
05:33.41hyperChipmunkgot it
05:33.44hyperChipmunkTem, you here?
05:33.48Temaye
05:33.55hyperChipmunkcan you try something for me?
05:34.23Temsure
05:36.39hyperChipmunkk do you have like LuaSlinger or something?
05:37.16TemTinyPad
05:38.01hyperChipmunkk, just paste this in and call it with any old argument
05:38.08hyperChipmunke.g. /script foofunc("foo")
05:38.26hyperChipmunkhttp://ace.pastebin.com/662608
05:39.55hyperChipmunkand, um, like
05:39.58hyperChipmunkdon't be in the middle of a raid =x
05:41.35TemhyperChipmunk: that freezes my client
05:41.43Temno crash, just a freeze
05:41.49hyperChipmunkgive it awhile
05:42.00hyperChipmunkafter about a minute it turns into a fatal exception
05:42.21hyperChipmunkif you put the local down on the same line as the assignment, it's okay
05:43.16Temoh, I gave up on it
05:43.22hyperChipmunk=(
05:43.27TemI killed my wow process
05:43.32hyperChipmunkwhat's that mean then?
05:44.28TemCtrl-Alt-Delete
05:44.32hyperChipmunkno
05:44.33hyperChipmunkI mean
05:44.38hyperChipmunkwhat do I do about it =P
05:44.41Temoh
05:44.56hyperChipmunkdo you see why it's happening?
05:45.02hyperChipmunki am nub
05:45.07TemI've seen this type of error before
05:45.07hyperChipmunkyou is wise
05:45.09Tembut it was in java
05:45.30hyperChipmunkthe bugs, they flock to me =\
05:45.47hyperChipmunkwhere do I post a report?
05:46.56Temgimme a sec
05:47.15Temgonna try to figure out what's going on
05:47.22hyperChipmunkokay =)
05:47.34hyperChipmunkthis is not my fault, though, right?
05:47.38hyperChipmunkshould that work?
05:47.42hyperChipmunkor at least error?
05:47.58TemI don't see a reason for it to error
05:48.34hyperChipmunk\
05:50.07Temit's still frozen
05:50.58hyperChipmunkit gives me the submit report thing
05:51.02hyperChipmunkafter a bit
05:51.11Temit's been like 4 minutes
05:51.22hyperChipmunkit pops up behind it
05:51.27hyperChipmunki duno
05:51.39hyperChipmunkmight be wine konkin' out
05:52.58TemhyperChipmunk: it's not a wine or wow bug
05:53.03TemI think it's your pattern
05:53.18Temit's freezing my lua interpreter as well
05:53.45hyperChipmunkI have the same pattern in my pre-glorylib =x
05:53.58hyperChipmunkmaybe I hit a key or something
05:56.53Temit's not the pattern
05:57.04Temit's something about the way you are looping
05:59.44Temhey, Iriel found it
06:00.06ckknight?
06:00.26Temyou reset _
06:00.33Temwhich is also the key to the loop
06:00.55ckknightah
06:00.57ckknightwow
06:00.59ckknightthat makes sense
06:01.14Temhttp://ace.pastebin.com/662624 should do it
06:03.01hyperChipmunkaha
06:03.29hyperChipmunksend him my thanks
06:04.21hyperChipmunkthat's why it worked with local _, _, alpha = string.find(...
06:04.27hyperChipmunkwhich is how i did it in my original
06:04.53hyperChipmunkhere I thought I was fixing redundancies =)
06:06.31hyperChipmunksorry boss =\
06:06.57hyperChipmunkI know that kills you that it set us back practically an entire day
06:12.04ckknightkills me?
06:12.06ckknightno
06:12.12ckknightit's killing the little children
06:12.16ckknightwhy don't you ever think of them?
06:12.21hyperChipmunk=\
06:13.32hyperChipmunkhm, do you remember why I got the 'attempt to index local `self' (a nil value)' in to the Trigger function
06:15.45hyperChipmunkah, i got it
06:15.57hyperChipmunkforgot to Trigger(self, "...
06:17.49hyperChipmunk=\ not the case this time; they're all there
06:24.05hyperChipmunkalright
06:24.11hyperChipmunknext battleground, everything will work
06:24.23ckknightcool
06:24.25ckknighthope so
06:24.25hyperChipmunkThere's no possible way ANYTHING can go wrong
06:26.06kergothsounds like famous last words
06:26.22hyperChipmunkshush
06:27.18hyperChipmunkugh, shortest estimated battle is still 30m away
06:28.07hyperChipmunkI don't get why it was happening in WSG even when my code was all commented out
06:30.38Temman I'm way confused now
06:31.00Temcheck out this bug report
06:31.01Temhttp://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4827&jump=5964#cmnt5964
06:32.07hyperChipmunkrofl
06:32.31TemI really want to just not believe him
06:32.37Tembecause, it sounds like total bullshit
06:33.33hyperChipmunkDude, I installed catalyst three times with three different names
06:33.37hyperChipmunkhow come it's breaking?
06:33.47hyperChipmunkshouldn't it go 3x faster?
06:34.13TemI'm willing to bet it's an ID-TEN-T error
06:34.30hyperChipmunkI think it's your fault and you suck
06:49.41Tekkubhuzzah ItemRack!
06:49.50TekkubI just wrote me up a wipe wacro
06:50.19Tekkubit equip my tele set (no items with durability + trinket) and then casts Feign Death
06:50.41Tekkubif FD isn't resisted I'm nekkud in case I'm pulled out of FD (which usually happens)
06:57.38Temhey Tekkub
06:57.46Temcheck out this bug report
06:57.53Tekkubnani?
06:57.56TemI'm about to call shenanigans
06:58.03Tembrcause it looks like complete bullshit to me
06:58.09Temhttp://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?s=&id=4827
06:59.06Tekkub*loads*
06:59.41Tekkubwhich post?
06:59.58Temwell the lateest post is just some retarded person
07:00.07Temso you're looking back 3 posts
07:00.22Tekkubtee?
07:00.25Temyeah
07:02.22Tekkubyea uhm... he gets the freeze standing at the dock NOT zoning? gee... perhaps he or his server's got some issues on Kalimdor?
07:02.45Tekkublet me reply :)
07:04.16hyperChipmunkYES!
07:04.19TemI'm hesitant to say something other than what I've already said
07:04.23hyperChipmunkwsg flag stuff work on first try
07:04.43Tembecause my next reply is likey, "You're full of shit and making stuff up"
07:04.50TemCairenn|sleep: night
07:10.36TekkubTem, I did my best to "elegantly" tell him he's full of shit and to not run the mod if he thinks it's a problem
07:11.42Temthanks tek
07:17.04hyperChipmunkhttp://69.14.77.214/batfuwsg.png
07:17.59hyperChipmunkrm -rf BGFlag
07:18.00hyperChipmunkwoo
07:18.27TekkubTem: it sound to me like his server is having some issues with the boat honestly
07:18.52Tekkubespecially that "It froze then disconnected" that's just a normal lag-out
07:19.30Tekkub-81 DKP I fucking rule!
07:20.29TekkubI spent 60 DKP last night and earned 16... I was at -17 going in :)
07:30.31TemThe flight into UC is the coolest flight in game
07:31.40hyperChipmunkthat's the way to do it
07:32.12hyperChipmunkI still love the new alliance azshara-winterspring one
07:32.28hyperChipmunkgoes through frostwhisper gorge
07:32.35hyperChipmunkunder the bride
07:32.38hyperChipmunkg*
07:35.31hyperChipmunkdoesn't look like i'm gonna see anymore bgs tonight
07:35.44hyperChipmunkcommitting and goin' to bed; g'night folks
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08:25.00Tem|Sleepnight guys
08:25.27[MoonWolf]night tem
08:25.53[MoonWolf]happy easter... if you think such a thing is happy.
08:28.56Tekkubhttp://wiki.wowace.com/index.php/Gratuity_Embedded_Library
08:28.58Tekkub*grin*
08:29.22TekkubMoon: there's nothing happy about Zombie Jesus
08:29.37Tekkuband to celebrate I'm getting drung and having gay secks
08:29.38[MoonWolf]oooh
08:29.40[MoonWolf]good one.
08:29.50[MoonWolf]i should use that on my family one time
08:30.12[MoonWolf]well ill leave out the gay part
08:30.15Tekkuba simple "great zobie jesus" works wonders
08:30.38Tekkubgah, okey so I'm well on my way to being drunk already...
08:31.26[MoonWolf]I am a fan of rapor jesus myself.
08:31.47Tekkubso lookie at gratuity *grin*
08:32.00[MoonWolf]Nice
08:32.07[MoonWolf]maybe i will use it when i redo slash
08:32.22Tekkubwhat's slasher do?
08:32.22[MoonWolf]but that would be around the time Duke Nukem forever comes out.
08:32.39[MoonWolf]slash http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4266
08:32.42[MoonWolf]first mod i made
08:32.58Tekkuboh yea
08:33.07[MoonWolf]horribly not 1.10 copatible
08:33.24Tekkubkek
08:33.29[MoonWolf]Raptor jesus went extinct for you sins!
08:33.40Tekkubthat's bad
08:37.47[MoonWolf]<PROTECTED>
08:40.05[MoonWolf]and because those have really coold gods.
08:44.19[MoonWolf]Silvanus. A woodland spirit associated with parks, villas, and fields, and at an earlier date associated with the forest beyond the settlements, the wildwood. He is a Roman Deity, but so closely did He resonate with Celtic notions that He is often combined with other Celtic Deities of similar attributes. But note well one difference: to the Roman, the Forest was a place of fear, a nightmare land of chaos, and thus Silvanus had for them a sh
08:44.19[MoonWolf]adowy or darker side; to the Celt, however, the Forest was Home, and as such held no mystery or fear.
08:48.39Tekkubwewt! new Who!
08:49.29[MoonWolf]?
08:49.39TekkubThe Doctor
08:49.43[MoonWolf]ah
08:49.46[MoonWolf]dont watch it.
08:50.43Tekkubseries 2 ep 1 be up for torrentting
08:50.43Tekkubyou should, the new stuff's good :)
08:50.44Tekkubthe old stuffs good too, if you can get past the hokey special effects... I can't
08:51.03[MoonWolf]I never could stand the old star wars or the old battlestar ones. so the doctor who ones wont be any different.
08:51.10[MoonWolf]star trek i mean.
08:51.22Tekkub:) old wars sucks too
08:51.33Tekkubwell... so does new wars.. so nevermind
08:51.43[MoonWolf]the new battlestar is VERY good
08:51.51Tekkubbut yea, think of it like BLG.. old was coney, new be gut
08:51.57Tekkub*BSG
08:52.03[MoonWolf]because the space craft act like space craft instead of unrealistic planes.
08:52.05Tekkub*corney
08:52.13TekkubTHANK YOU!
08:52.15[MoonWolf]and there is no fires in space.
08:52.23[MoonWolf]an actual space series with no fires!
08:52.23Tekkubtho they need to kill the sounds in space
08:52.37Tekkubthe sounds are the one thing they fucked up
08:52.41[MoonWolf]yeah, but at least that is accaptable.
08:53.01[MoonWolf]at least the huge 15 feet long afterburner flame.
08:53.05[MoonWolf]is gone.
08:53.09TekkubBab5 usually did a fairly good job of avoiding sounds...
08:53.28[MoonWolf]and they can do actual own axis turning without changing inertia.
08:53.32[MoonWolf]bab5 was good.
08:53.54Tekkubthe only ones that really stood out were shadow ships, but then they always said that as one passed "you could feel a scream in your mind"
08:54.00[MoonWolf]to bad we cant have more of it.
08:54.45TekkubBSG does a very good job with the space physics.  Throw in the fact that they try to maintain realistic cameras as well instead of these perfectly panning shots....
08:55.12Tekkuband I love the FLT drives :)
08:55.21[MoonWolf]yeah
08:55.25Tekkub*fwump* *fwump* *fwump* *fwump* *fwump* *fwump* *fwump*  all gone!
08:55.33[MoonWolf]actual instant transport instead of screaming speed.
08:56.07[MoonWolf]and no wormholes/subspace anomalies/etc
08:56.45[MoonWolf]yust a poof of light (and a sound effect, remove that) and gone.
08:57.43[MoonWolf]although BSG still has one glaring problem. infinite amout of fighters.
08:58.05[MoonWolf]they are constantly bitching about how little fighters they have left, but they blow up 5 of them every second episode.
09:11.58Tekkub*giggle* I like my http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=18203
09:12.03Tekkubit procs a lot
09:12.30[MoonWolf]nice
09:18.56Neronixmorning
09:20.28[MoonWolf]morning
09:20.33[MoonWolf]+
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09:40.05Mikmaanyone been egghunting?
09:43.35Wobin_http://forums-en.wow-europe.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-realm-nordrassil-en&t=13408&p=1&tmp=1#post13408
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09:55.17ThianaWith Visor, if I have pr=frame, and then use x/y= , are those x/y relative to the parent frame?
09:56.58Wobin_yes
09:57.08Wobin_Which always causes me issues =P
09:57.47ThianaThanks :) The docs seem to say the opposite, but that didnt make sense given the pr option and I dont have WoW here to test with.
09:59.09Wobin_hm, I'm fairly sure it does
10:00.47Wobin_on p2 Anchor point:This anchor point, along with the relative parent, defines where x,y=(0,0) is.
10:02.51ThianaThe x=/y= say from bottom/left edges of screen, which is why I wanted to confirm with someone that uses visor.
10:13.08Wobin_yeah, if it'a not parented to anything x/y is the bottom left of the UIParent
10:13.12Wobin_which is the screen
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11:22.18Neronix`outbtw, happy easter guys :)
11:51.26ThianaDoes anyone have a function using visor to make two minimap buttons the same size?
12:04.06id`Morning
12:04.38id`Tem|Sleep: did you.. oh asleep
12:04.41id`:P
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12:23.40TekkubI love the concept here.... could have great potential with Timex bars....
12:23.40Tekkubhttp://www.curse-gaming.com/mod.php?addid=3553
12:45.25id`Tekkub, my addon isnt saving vars correctly. can you spot the error? http://pastebin.com/662991
12:55.38id`heh im only using 14MB of ram again ^^
13:01.38id`Tekkub: ?
13:05.27Mikmaanyone knows any good web-based shoutcast/icecast streamers? needs to have some sort of song-management
13:08.32id`last.fm ? :>
13:08.50id`Tekkub: stop playing dead
13:09.20Mikmaid`: meaning something i can install on my own server and stream my songs to net with control panel
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13:32.27wereHamsterhow does ace hook functions? is there a way to trace hooked functions to find out which hook uses the most performance?
13:38.57id`Damn still no worky :\
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14:01.14Wobin_wereHamster: That'd be a questoin to ask Cladhaire
14:18.48wereHamsterfor exampel I see that ActionButton_GetPagedID()  uses 0.1% of the runtime (means 0.1% of WoW's execution time is spend in this function) when I heavily switch action bars (press shift and scroll the mouse wheel) and I'd like to know who's hooked that function
14:21.18Wobin_tbh, I'm not sure you can do a reverse lookup on hooks
14:21.27Wobin_but I really know nothing about acehooks
14:26.36wereHamstermay addon make a local variable MyAddOn_ActionButton_DoStuff, if I could add a hook for those functions I could see which addon uses how much performance
14:26.44wereHamsters/may/many/
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14:50.53ThianaCan anyone point me to a detailed page on converting an old style addon to load-on-demand?
15:11.16hyperChipmunkgood morning =)
15:12.02hyperChipmunkhappy Easter, for those of you who celebrate it this week
15:42.03cladhairewereHamster: Are we talking AceHooks?
15:42.06cladhaireYOu still around?
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15:45.05wereHamstercladhaire, I'm still here
15:45.17cladhaireso what was your question about AceHooks?
15:45.29wereHamsterI have this nice tool to trace which functions use the most CPU time: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4843
15:46.07wereHamsterand it shows that a certain function (which I'm sure is hooked) uses X amount of CPU
15:46.20wereHamsterand I'd like to know which hook uses most of it
15:48.19cladhaireok
15:48.21cladhairehold on a sec
15:50.52wereHamsterLuaProfiler has a public interface which any addon can use to add hooks..
15:52.57cladhaireyeah, but they won't.
15:53.14cladhaireyou can get the current hook state of an Ace addon using AddonName.Hooks (to get at the actual data if it exists)
15:53.18cladhairebut its not just ace addons
15:53.19cladhaireits apps.
15:53.41cladhairewhich there can be any number of per ace addon
15:55.42cladhaireyou can get whats being hooked by AddOn.Hooks[object][method].active
15:55.45cladhairefor method hooks
15:55.55cladhaireor AddOn.Hooks["FunctionName"].active
15:56.53wereHamster.. too complicated :-(
15:57.49cladhaire.. or not at all
15:57.59cladhairehow is that complicated?
16:00.49hyperChipmunkcladhaire: is it your ace branch that's makin' my tooltips follow the mouse?
16:00.55hyperChipmunkoh n/m
16:01.08hyperChipmunkI put in PerfectTooltip too
16:01.15cladhairehyperChipmunk: PerfectTooltip =)
16:01.21hyperChipmunk=p
16:01.27cladhairethe way tooltips SHOULD work =)
16:01.27wereHamsterfirst I need to have a list with all Ace addons that I can traverse..
16:01.35cladhairewereHamster: You can get that under the Ace object.
16:02.37cladhairesomewher unde Ace.addons.list
16:02.41cladhairebut i'm not sure to be honest.
16:02.48cladhairewell
16:03.39hyperChipmunkcladhaire: heh
16:03.47wereHamsterin 'AddOn.Hooks[object][method]', is object a string? or how do you distinguish between this and 'AddOn.Hooks["FunctionName"]' ?
16:04.02cladhaireobject is an object, not a string.
16:04.07wereHamsterah..
16:04.49wereHamsterobject as in the table where the function is defined ..
16:05.00cladhaireNo, an object.
16:05.01cladhairePlayerFrame
16:05.03cladhairecould be a table.
16:05.14cladhairecould be anything that has a method in some manner (whether via metatable, C, etc)
16:05.27cladhairefor k,v in AceHookLib:GetInstance("1.3").embedList do v:HookReport() end
16:05.58wereHamsterbut frame scripts require more work than ordinary table functions, does Ace also handle frame scripts?
16:06.03cladhaireyes
16:06.16cladhaireessentially.. AceHookLib:GetInstance("1.3").embedList contains any addon that uses AceHooks
16:06.28cladhaireand you can enumerate those for the .Hooks variable.
16:06.31cladhaireand then check for values there.
16:07.54wereHamsterI don't have AceHookLib
16:08.25wereHamsterbut I have AceHook
16:08.27hyperChipmunkcladhaire: I never realized tooltips SHOULD cover up half my viewport
16:09.25cladhairewhat are you mousing over
16:09.50hyperChipmunka pvp melee =P
16:10.07cladhaireif you're in combat it won't show up.
16:10.13cladhaireif you're not.. then tooltips are useful
16:10.14cladhaire*shrug*
16:13.26hyperChipmunkwhat class do you play?
16:13.48cladhairerogue, priest, druid, mage, hunter
16:14.16cladhairepriest and druid mostly in pvp in particulr, rogue is more pve
16:15.15hyperChipmunkhard to pick targets out of a furball for hunter =P
16:15.24cladhairenot really
16:15.26cladhairetarget someone in the raid
16:15.28cladhaireand assist them
16:15.31cladhaire*shrug*
16:15.35hyperChipmunkthat's me =)
16:15.36cladhaireits all a playstyle thing.
16:15.49hyperChipmunkI'm the one they assist ;)
16:15.49cladhairetooltips don't matter when it comes to something like that.
16:16.06cladhaire*shrug*
16:16.13hyperChipmunknot a problem; I can change the code myself
16:16.25cladhaireits why it was really never released
16:16.33hyperChipmunkthe rest of it is great
16:16.37cladhairealright folks, have a great day =)
16:16.46cladhairehyperChipmunk: I'll ace it soon, and put some options in.. but MINIMAL options
16:16.47cladhaire*shrug*
16:16.48hyperChipmunklikewise; take care
16:16.55hyperChipmunkand stop shrugging
16:16.57cladhaireif you have any good ideas for the unit tooltips like that on mouseover world.. let me know.
16:16.59cladhaire*shrug* =)
16:17.02hyperChipmunkyou're gonna pull a rotator cuff
16:29.48HoJ|Slaymangood day ppl
16:30.09HoJ|Slaymanthe sun is shining and it's time to search some eastereggs
16:32.01HoJ|SlaymanhyperChipmunk: would it be possible to add an optional Autojoin to BGFu? would love it
16:34.00hyperChipmunkno, there are addons that do that; it deosn't belong in a panel add-on
16:34.27hyperChipmunkI'm sticking to informational stuff
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16:45.44Shyvaif I have a timex timer running, which started at 90 sec, and after sometime it's at 30 sec, and then I change the timer to 90 sec again, does it start all over again? so from 90 to 0 instead of 30 to 0 ?
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16:49.14oxmanhum how i can name two categories of class ?
16:49.19oxmanmelee class, mana class ?
16:49.37oxmanmelee class, castin class ?
16:50.00Mikmamelee and caster
16:50.39hyperChipmunkmelee, caster, hybrid
16:51.04oxmanthanks
16:51.06hyperChipmunkpaladins and shaman are hybrid
16:51.12oxmanit's not for wow
16:51.12oxman;)
16:51.16oxmanit's for lineage
16:51.17hyperChipmunkoh
16:53.01oxmani can use wonderfull macro on lineage2 (lol...)
16:53.32oxmanlike :
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16:53.41oxmanBuffs Melee : %target
16:53.46oxman<PROTECTED>
16:53.50oxman<PROTECTED>
16:53.51oxmanetc
16:53.53oxmanlike a bot lol
17:12.31ckknighthey all
17:12.59hyperChipmunkeyo
17:13.21hyperChipmunkin
17:13.23hyperChipmunkin av
17:13.27hyperChipmunkworkin like a charm <3
17:14.06ckknightcool
17:14.18ckknightwell, send it to me, I'll check it ouit
17:15.30hyperChipmunkit's surprisingly easy to debug something when it isn't crashing your client
17:15.41ckknightlol
17:21.25hyperChipmunkcommitted
17:25.51id`http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php/topic,1341.0.html
17:26.05id`This goes for all addon authors
17:27.40id`btw nagging isnt the only thing i can do, it's just that I want to make wowace a more accessible and friendly place to browse for addons and discuss them
17:28.52id`Have some ideas. One is to have wowace.com seed WoW AddOn torrent files.
17:29.08id`wwoace deosnt have the upload and hosting power like WoWI for example
17:29.26id`With bittorrent we can rely on the community itself
17:29.47[MoonWolf]id`, addons are mostly plaintext and require little to no bandwith
17:29.56[MoonWolf]on top of that, wowace doesnt host anything....
17:30.03id`I know that [MoonWolf]
17:30.21id`But what about the hammering of the addon sites every update?
17:30.26hyperChipmunkwtf bittorrenting addons
17:30.35id`lemme finish :P
17:30.51[MoonWolf]Since our hosting was added to wowi, we will be hammered whatever we do.
17:31.05Wobin_Why don't you post a poll or something on the forum asking people's opinions...
17:31.12Wobin_I'm not too sure I'd want to really use BT
17:31.19id`If you'd serve torrents the only thing a user has to do is start the torrent and download from uther users
17:31.43[MoonWolf]yes, buuuuuut. A torrent of a 50kb file when zipped, it simply DIES
17:31.55hyperChipmunkyea, but the torrent file is bigger than most of the addons O_o
17:32.00Wobin_heh
17:32.06id`meh twas just an idea
17:32.22[MoonWolf]indeed, and the intend is good. but for small files bittorent simply does not work.
17:35.38id`Hm, I'm guilty of not making wiki pages for my AddOns too, let me write up some pages :>
17:35.52id`(but i dont put them on wowace too, ill do that after :P)
17:41.03hyperChipmunkyay, I love it when my stuff works
18:11.58hyperChipmunkckknight: well?
18:26.38ckknightI was playing my mage
18:26.41hyperChipmunkckknight: also, what's the deal with your svn?
18:26.50ckknighthrm?
18:27.03hyperChipmunksince yesterday afternoon, it's been refusing connections
18:27.15ckknightoh, I must've turned it off during the evil cable company's scheme
18:27.37ckknightokay, enabled
18:27.48hyperChipmunkwoo
18:37.03Mikmahmm
18:37.22Mikmafound a typo in BigWigs' ZG Marli.lua
18:37.44Mikmawarn2 = "High Priestess Mar'li is draining life! Interupt it!",
18:38.15Mikmaain't it supposed to be interrupt
18:38.20hyperChipmunkit is
18:39.02Mikmai'll just fix it on my local file then :)
18:48.03Mikmai think it's on purpose but i'm getting "?? mod enabled" on every boss :)
18:49.05Mikmamight be a range issue too
18:59.52Mikmai'm really having weird enable-issues, i need to be really really close for the bossmods to activate
19:03.39Mikmamandokir yelled for 5-6 times before i walked in front of him and the mod activated
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19:05.49id`http://wiki.wowace.com/index.php/IdChat
19:05.52id`http://wiki.wowace.com/index.php/IdMinimap
19:06.26TekkubMilk, you have to target/mouseover a boss to enable it's module
19:06.54TekkubI was trying to avoid the "lets just watch everything, all the time" tactic CTRABM uses
19:07.51MikmaTekkub: oh that explains it. now i wonder does it work with aftt extreme
19:08.11Tekkubeh?
19:08.29id`"I looked in the acemodule.lua file, I can't figure out where line 33 is."
19:08.32Mikmayeah aftt doesn't use original tooltip
19:08.44Mikmaand if it's either target/mouseover
19:08.48Tekkubwhat does tooltips have to do with anything?
19:09.34Mikmawell then it doesn't read tooltip for the bossname?
19:09.42Tekkubhells no
19:09.48TekkubUnitName("target")
19:09.58Mikmagoodie
19:09.58TekkubUnitName("mouseover")
19:10.37MikmaTekkub: there's a little typo in ZG hakli.lua, warn2 = "High Priestess Mar'li is draining life! Interupt it!",
19:10.57Mikmadon't think it bothers anyone else than me
19:10.58Tekkubrighto
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19:12.32id`http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php/topic,1347.0.html
19:12.56Mikmathis AceHeal -targetingbug is weird really :(
19:13.23Mikmaseems like it doesn't have any out of range checks
19:13.40Mikmaso if the person is oor he's targeted
19:14.42Mikmai can only hope clad makes watchdog clickcast work fast ;)
19:17.12Mikmai had a nice idea of addon.. Periodic Table Boss-search. you could use the database to search which items bosses drop
19:19.57Mikmawas missing that in MC when i started to wonder which bosses drop what part of Tier1 gears
19:20.15id`Question about saved vars
19:20.21id`do they save when you reload the UI?
19:21.04Mikmatry :)
19:22.38hyperChipmunkyes
19:24.03Tekkubso I have this sudden urge to write an embeddable AceDB manager designed to work the way FuBar's does... and name it AceDBZ
19:24.26id`the problem is that my addon doesnt save :>
19:24.39Mikmado you have the variable in .toc? ;)
19:25.09hyperChipmunkwhat's the Z for?
19:25.24Tekkubfor bad humor
19:25.35id`yes Mikma
19:25.36hyperChipmunkokay
19:26.09Mikmaid`: then it should :(
19:26.13TekkubMilk: We just need a simple GUI for viewing sets
19:26.36Tekkubcombine that with Mendy... open the MC set and hover... or open your tier set....
19:26.55TekkubI want to replace SetWrangler with a PT GUI but meh, motivation to code...
19:27.13ShyvaTekkub, got a question -> if I have a timex timer running, which started at 90 sec, and after sometime it's at 30 sec, and then I change the timer to 90 sec again, does it start all over again? so from 90 to 0 instead of 30 to 0 ?
19:27.25Tekkubsomeone should rip off KCI's linkview thing for me
19:27.46MikmaTekkub: when i tried setwrangler it had a d/c problem if the parts haven't been seen on the server
19:27.56TekkubDo believe so Shyva, check the Timex documentation
19:28.14TekkubMilk: There's a checkbox to protect from that
19:28.15ShyvaCann't find anything about it that does make sence :-)
19:28.22Tekkubdid you go and uncheck it?
19:28.46id`got the error
19:29.00TekkubShyva: Timex:ChangeDuration
19:29.49ShyvaYea... it doesn't say if the timer resets or not.. or si there something wrong with my eyes?
19:29.57id`in the toc i said idMinimapDB and in the lua it said idMinimapDb
19:30.02id`>_<
19:30.08Tekkubvoid Timex:ChangeDuration(object id
19:30.09Tekkub<PROTECTED>
19:30.09Tekkub<PROTECTED>
19:30.20TekkubI dunno is there something wrong with your eyes?
19:30.30TekkubI say just go test it out in game and see
19:30.33Mikmaid`: typos rule the world
19:30.42id`typos make me look for a day
19:30.56hyperChipmunkwtg nub
19:31.09ShyvaThink so tek, ^^
19:31.15Mikmaid`: i always forget to put the variable in .toc :)
19:35.12id`:p
19:38.56ShyvaHmm, it does reset ^^
19:44.29hyperChipmunkckknight: you do any work on GloryLib yet? =)
19:47.18ckknightnot much
19:47.28ckknightyou mean the changes you did?
19:48.43hyperChipmunkyea, I was about to see if I could clean it up some
19:48.53hyperChipmunkbut if you're already working with it, I prolly ought to leave it alone
19:49.31ckknightI haven't touched it yet
19:49.36hyperChipmunkk
19:50.02hyperChipmunkjust do a checkout before you do
19:50.25hyperChipmunkhttp://svn.wowace.com/hc/trunk/FuBar_BattlegroundFu
19:52.05ckknightokay
19:52.42hyperChipmunkprolly won't be anything
19:52.50hyperChipmunkbut just in case
19:56.36hyperChipmunkw00t, AB =)
19:56.48hyperChipmunkthe last one I need to test =)
19:57.00ckknightcool
19:57.10hyperChipmunkit SHOULD be the same as AV
19:57.13hyperChipmunkbut =P
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19:58.07hyperChipmunkbleh, gonna be an easy 5-cap
20:00.32hyperChipmunkperfect =D
20:02.23ckknighthehe
20:02.52hyperChipmunksweet; it all works
20:04.12ckknightgood stuff
20:11.14Mikmahey, what is oRA ShortHand? :)
20:12.02FryGuy-i think it lets you do like /raver instead of /ora version list or whatever it is
20:13.51HoJ|Slaymanso to say shorthands make the ora commandline commands very very  ct_ra- esque
20:14.35Mikmammkay, useless. :)
20:14.38[MoonWolf]Having dual monitors rocks!!!
20:14.52hyperChipmunkindeed it does
20:15.18[MoonWolf]Even though my second monitor is only a 15" compared to my 19" it still rocks1
20:15.21[MoonWolf]rocks!
20:15.25hyperChipmunk=)
20:15.30hyperChipmunkyea I use 24"WS and 17"
20:15.40hyperChipmunkit's just right
20:16.51kergothi want a second 2005fpw
20:17.10[MoonWolf]i want a first one to begin with.
20:30.46Wobin_Tekkub: Any example of Gratuity useage?
20:34.55TekkubWob: same as AceTooltip except you need to declare a tooltip frame in your XML and register it on load
20:37.50Wobin_meh =) have to go find an acetooltip example now =)
20:44.54id`What unit frame addon are you all using?
20:46.48id`You know what's kinda anoying at interface sites
20:47.07id`theres no difference between button addons an dunit frame addons
20:47.12id`they are 'bars'
20:52.08Mikmaid`: i've got a piece of code for your chat
20:52.48Wobin_I was using AUF
20:53.04Wobin_but I'm back to normal now =P
20:57.37id`and what about bar mods
20:57.42id`viros seems my only option
20:57.50id`visor*
20:57.58id`but its grown too complicated :|
20:58.06Wobin_Visor is easy enough
20:58.16Wobin_lrn2readthewiki =P
20:58.22id`i lost it with the script handlers
20:58.29id`never done anything with that
20:58.55Wobin_Read the visorscript thread on wowace
20:59.00Wobin_And copy/paste stuff
20:59.17id`yeah you're right
20:59.22id`*goes and download visor*
20:59.49Wobin_Tekkub: What, if anything, could cause :MrPlow\MetrognomeLib.lua:141: attempt to call global `print' (a nil value) ?
21:00.23Wobin_It's the debug prints that it has due to the emblib code... but I can't see why it would error like that
21:00.50Tekkubyou somehow set usedebug to true somewhere....
21:01.05Wobin_but why would it error?
21:01.26Tekkubdunno... I think I might just kill the debug output anyway
21:01.49TekkubI know the embedlib functionality works
21:01.57Wobin_same
21:02.04Wobin_In that it's working for me, but not for some others
21:04.45hyperChipmunkckknight: committed some changes, added support for querying number of bases held in AB to GloryLib, plus a display option for it in BatFu
21:08.08hyperChipmunkckknight: also, new bug w/ fubar itself
21:10.26hyperChipmunkdragging a plugin to the very right edge of the screen errors: Interface\AddOns\FuBar\FuBar.lua:2074: Insertion point not found
21:10.37hyperChipmunkand it kinda disappears
21:10.42hyperChipmunkand you can't move it back
21:10.46hyperChipmunkreloading fixes it though
21:10.56hyperChipmunkat least, repositions it to someplace so you can try again
21:18.55kergothid`: i'm still using mg2 for unitframes and cardbars for bars. heh
21:19.13id`k
21:21.21Mikmakergoth: same here :D
21:21.42Mikmakergoth: the only exception is i use my own code to hide the gray borders around the buttons ;)
21:22.02Mikmakergoth: that way i can use /cardbars spacing action/plaa/plaa/plaa 0
21:22.29hyperChipmunkckknight: also, even when the menubar isn't visible, the tooltip sproings up above it when you try to drag it to the bottom of the screen, instead of just to the screen edge
21:28.40Mikmakergoth: http://wow.reaktio.net/cardbars.png :)
21:28.46Mikmatoight like a toiger
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21:41.59kergothyou know what i hate
21:42.02kergothwhen i get lost in my own code
21:42.44hyperChipmunkthat is pretty annoying
21:43.05kergothi need to find the diagram i drew of this, cause i cant make sense of it anymore
21:43.06kergothhmm
21:43.48hyperChipmunkckknight: scratch that last; it only happens with BatFu for some reason; the other ones align flush
21:44.04hyperChipmunkit doesn't seem to be calculating its own height correctly
21:56.46Wobin_I blame blizzard
21:57.02Wobin_for my lack of productivity
21:57.28Wobin_I should be testing my addon
21:57.38Wobin_instead I'm searching for easter eggs and a easter suit
21:58.11TainI ordered a student discount Visual Studio 2005 online and they haven't asked me for proof of being a student yet.  Wonder if it'll go through.
21:58.40MikmaWobin_: easter suit? :)
21:59.20Wobin_or dress or whatever =)
21:59.29Wobin_I figured there'd be a suit along with the dresses =)
21:59.35Mikmaummmmmmm, pink
22:00.13Mikmahttp://wow.allakhazam.com/item.html?witem=7809
22:00.16Codayushmmm
22:00.19CodayusEaster event?
22:00.20CodayusHmmm
22:00.32Codayus....oO
22:00.39CodayusThat's a crime against nature!
22:00.44MikmaCodayus: yeah there's easter eggs around the world
22:00.56CodayusThat picture...
22:01.06Mikmayeah it's the gayest ever
22:02.26Codayushttp://ghwrin.neverhost.net/screens/easter.jpg
22:02.30CodayusWouldn't that be cool?  :-P
22:02.34Codayus(Obviously fake...)
22:05.42Mikmayeah it would
22:06.00CodayusWe need epic minipets though.
22:06.31CodayusLike...0.1% drop off rag...a minipet fire elemental.  Ups the FR of nearby raid members by 5.  :-)
22:06.42CodayusHell, it could be a 2-3% drop, really.
22:06.45Tekkub:) useful minipets would be neat
22:06.49TekkubBoP tho
22:06.51CodayusAnd 5 wouldn't be unbalancing.
22:06.59CodayusRight.  Gotta be BoP.
22:07.26CodayusThere's already the slimes...of course, they aren't *useful*.  But at least they do something.  :-P
22:08.14hyperChipmunkif they did that, though, they'd have to balance for 'em
22:08.18CodayusActually, I think the final boss of each raid instance should have a very rare minipet with a minor aura...
22:08.32hyperChipmunkit's an extra stat source
22:08.36CodayusWell, if the effect was minor enough - like 5 FR - it wouldn't really matter.
22:08.56Codayus(Obviously you'd have the effect not stack, if multiple party members had one out.)
22:08.58hyperChipmunkyes it would; as soon as you start putting stats on, people will complain that they're not enough
22:08.59Wobin_Alas
22:09.04CodayusHeh
22:09.05Wobin_Two pieces of chocolate, and a candybar
22:09.10CodayusSee also - the relic whining.
22:09.13hyperChipmunk"This is a slap in the face, blizzard"
22:09.14Wobin_But no suit/dress
22:09.17Codayus"ZOMG, these stats suck!"
22:09.38Wobin_The problem with being in a addon testing guild
22:09.55Wobin_is that noone is high enough to twink out our toons in nice clothes =P
22:10.05Wobin_So we can at least look stylish while testing
22:10.19TekkubI need to get me a toon on there
22:10.23Tekkubwhat server again?
22:10.30Wobin_Draka
22:10.31hyperChipmunkwhat's an addon testing guild?
22:10.49Wobin_Just a guild on Draka a lot of us have testchars on
22:11.01Tekkubally or whorde side?
22:11.07CodayusI actually had a pally tell me that eghans blaster was BETTER than the relics...
22:11.09Wobin_There's a guild on both
22:11.11CodayusI kinda stared at him...
22:11.19hyperChipmunkscrewdat
22:11.19Wobin_I think Iriel can recruit, one sec
22:11.21Tekkubwhich is used more? :P
22:11.28Wobin_Dunno =P
22:11.28hyperChipmunkI test my addons mid-battle
22:11.32hyperChipmunkon my main
22:11.33Wobin_I've a tauren
22:11.36Codayus"But...it has no stats..."  "Yeah, but the relic's stats suck!"
22:11.39Mikmalol this is weird, www.worldofwarcraft.com updated infront of my eyes, no more easter theme
22:13.30Wobin_Tekkub: Iriel can recruit on Alliance side
22:13.52Wobin_msg him
22:15.23id`anyone got that tga to png tconverter?
22:15.29id`it was a small exe
22:15.36Tekkubmeh... urge to follow thru fading
22:15.45id`i mean tga 2 jpg
22:15.54id`made remarkably small (300kb) jpg's
22:16.23hyperChipmunkmogrify -format jpg -quality 95 *.tga
22:16.24Tainid`: I just use InfranView
22:17.19id`http://www.curse-gaming.com/mod.php?addid=238
22:17.21id`there we go
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22:22.17id`http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/8683/wowscrnshot0417060006192mj.jpg
22:22.26kergothi've been defeated by my own code
22:26.11hyperChipmunkowned
22:26.44Mikmaid`: nice and simple :)
22:30.57id`Mikma: :)
22:31.53id`my buttons are 1-10 row above S+1-10 row above C+1-10. ctrl is my caps key, i walk with wasd
22:33.52Neronixnice and clean, id`
22:34.30NeronixWhen exactly does Blizzard_AuctionUI load? When the player enters the AH or when the player talks to an auctioneer npc?
22:35.39Neronixnvm, doesn't matter
22:35.48id`Hmm, I might make some AddOns with a little UI now :P
22:36.02id`My own casting bar etc
22:36.28id`:O Wait a minute
22:36.45id`I already have my visor setup in a notepad addon
22:36.54id`one click and it sets everything
22:37.23id`(well its spread out over pages, no need to redo everything with every click)
22:37.29id`I could just add my own frames in there
22:37.40id`and start using tga's ingame
22:37.41id`:-)
22:40.59Wobin_Is getglobal() a particularly bad function to use in terms of efficiency?
22:41.50id`Depends on the situation i guess.. If you are looping through 100 frames..
22:42.57id`You only have to use it to loop and grab a few frames though. for i=1,10 do getglobal('VisorActionButton' .. i):Hide() end
22:44.02Wobin_er, wasn't actuallly in response to anything you were saying =)
22:45.04id`no i know just an example :>
22:45.49TekkubOKEY THIS EASTER EGG HUNTING SUCKS, i HAVN'T SEEN A ONE
22:45.52TekkubGAH
22:45.54Tekkubcaps
22:48.04id`Tekkub: i got like 20 today :<
22:48.32Tekkubthey big, little, easy to see? show up on dorf find treasure?
22:48.50id`dunno about find treasure
22:49.14id`about as big as um....  a gnomes body (not the full gnome)
22:49.25id`and colored :-)
22:49.31Neronixwhich isn't that big :P
22:49.34Tekkubhrm
22:49.36Tekkubk
22:49.47Tekkublike the size of a minipet?
22:49.50id`yea
22:49.58id`like the panda
22:49.59id`:p
22:50.49Wobin_A bit smaller
22:50.59Wobin_You know the pinecones in the tauren starting area?
22:51.02Wobin_That size
22:51.24Tekkubk
22:54.02TekkubI swear, two fuckin g laps around Dun Morough and havn't seen a one
22:55.02id`look in um
22:55.06id`darnassus
22:55.18clad|afkEvening all
22:55.44Tekkubhey claddo, you see my idea about adding some timing profiles to AceEvent?
22:55.49Neronixevening clad
22:56.26cladhaireTekkub: Yeah, and I can do that easy as pie =)
22:56.40cladhaireSo anyone have issues with the single repository we're going back to?
22:56.44cladhairecause i'm gonna start the transfer now.
22:56.50TekkubI already did on mine, and it exposed some nasty shit Boss was doing in DuraFu :)
22:57.15Tekkubclad: I love thi dea but can we still have ti split up by user maybe?
22:57.20Tekkubor "project"
22:57.46Tekkubso like, oRA stuff can stay together, and FuBar ones... and libraries
22:57.56Tekkuband my other crap can go in my own folder
22:58.21Tekkubbasically keep the structure but all inside one repo
22:59.42Neronixcladhaire: what's the new structure like?
23:00.45cladhaireTekkub: No really, for a number of reasons
23:01.09cladhaireWe could put things one level down, but thats for you guys to decide
23:01.11cladhaireand then ask me
23:01.23hyperChipmunkhttp://69.14.77.214/batfuab.jpg =D
23:02.01cladhaireNeronix: PeriodicTable would be at http://svn.wowace.com/root/trunk/PeriodicTable/
23:02.17hyperChipmunkit's all working again >8D
23:02.38Tekkubsee I'd rather see http://svn.wowace.com/repo/tekkub/trunk/PeriodicTable :)
23:03.04Tekkubsee I'd rather see http://svn.wowace.com/repo/oRA/trunk/oRA_Resist
23:03.11cladhaireBut thats the problem
23:03.12Tekkubgah... stupid copy paste
23:03.34cladhairepeopel don't know to look under Tekkub for PT.. or for any of your other addons.
23:03.41Tekkubah... true dat
23:03.48Tekkubokey, common repo it be!
23:03.58cladhaireit obfuscates the SVN for no real developer benefit =)
23:04.00id`doo dee doo
23:04.14id`http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/1077/wowscrnshot0417060101414jn.jpg
23:04.46id`hm the unit frames are a tine biy toot low for the second line fo debuffs
23:04.49id`tiny*
23:05.05hyperChipmunkyea, I don't like having to know what author writes which addon
23:05.40Neronixcladhaire: no objections
23:05.52cladhaireK.
23:05.57NeronixBut will we need to request access on a per-addon basis?
23:05.59Tekkubdew eet!
23:06.09cladhaireNeronix: We'll have groups,
23:06.20cladhaire@OraDevs = tekkub, otravi, etc.
23:06.24cladhaireand i'll grant perms based on groups
23:06.30NeronixI see
23:06.37cladhairewhich is something we CAN'T do with split repos.
23:06.42id`whats a group for?
23:06.50cladhaireid`: SVN access.
23:06.54id`ah k
23:06.59cladhaireso only the ace devs get acccess to the ace subdir on the svn
23:07.14cladhairesplit repos were just an idea we had.. and opensvn was down and tekkub got excited.. so they got moving more quickly than intended.
23:07.20Tekkubso how's root access gonna work? if you create a new addon path you're the only one with acces, or will it be global access
23:07.30cladhaireTekkub: I'm toying with that now.
23:07.39cladhaireBranch will be writeable by any authenticated user
23:07.55Tekkubtrunk?
23:08.02cladhairestill deciding
23:08.03cladhaire=)
23:08.05cladhairewhat do you think?
23:08.26cladhaireI have two ways
23:08.33Tekkubwell it'd be nice not to have to make my own paths in trunk without hastle
23:08.39cladhaire*nod*
23:08.44Tekkubhow bout this...
23:08.52cladhaireIf youdo, any authenticated user would have commit access to it.. unles you told me otherwise.
23:08.59Tekkubif someone wants a path restricted on access they ask you
23:09.06Tekkubby defaust it's just open
23:09.08cladhairebasically, yeah
23:09.12cladhairethat's what i'm thinking
23:09.29Tekkubcause I think for 99% of the stuff we'll want open access
23:09.52TekkubI'm all for other people posting lil fixes to my mods, like when that dick Boss changes how fubar's tooltips work
23:09.55hyperChipmunkand hC gets access to everything, so he can change the author information and take credit for everything
23:10.06hyperChipmunkhehe tek
23:10.08Tekkubbut for a few things like Ace core it sholud be protected
23:10.23NeronixI agree
23:10.31cladhairethe other option was a "creation" script for trunk directories.. that updated the access file
23:10.33cladhairebut thats' messier imo
23:10.34NeronixWe want a bazaar, not a cahtedral :)
23:11.03Tekkubyea this is kinda like a bigg community corkboard for our stuff
23:11.12hyperChipmunk<PROTECTED>
23:11.13hyperChipmunk<PROTECTED>
23:11.25cladhairei like having them all under one roof
23:11.25hyperChipmunkbeauty of svn is you can go back if someone does something stupid
23:11.28cladhaireshows that we have a lot of projects.
23:11.35cladhairehyperChipmunk: You can't delet ethe logs.. and i'm a clean log nazi
23:11.45Tekkubpermissions are nice when needed, but those are rare cases
23:12.26cladhaireI agree
23:12.31cladhaireTHat's kinda where we're going with this.
23:12.36cladhaireit makes the websvn front page tough tho
23:12.40hyperChipmunkof course, lots of projects are good, until the trunk gets cluttered with Tektest1 Tektest1 tekfoo teklibtest...
23:12.53Neronixyeah
23:12.55TekkubI don't post test shit :P
23:12.57cladhairehyperChipmunk: I'm a clean freak.. anything like that shit gets moved to branch
23:13.12cladhairetrunk is ONLY development on tagged projects
23:13.15hyperChipmunkall your crap is test!
23:13.16Neronixcan the front page be split up into an A-Z kinda thing?
23:13.16Tekkuband yea, experimental crap goes in branch, of course
23:13.24Tekkubidea for branch clad
23:13.45Tekkubjust a common agreement to post things in /branch/username/whatever
23:13.50Tekkubto keep it clean
23:13.58hyperChipmunkhm
23:14.05hyperChipmunknot branch/project?
23:14.14Tekkuband also common agreement to use <addonname> - <changes> for commit notes :)
23:14.28cladhairehttp://svn.wowace.com/log.php?repname=Ace&path=%2F&rev=0&sc=0&isdir=1
23:14.37Tekkubwhat about multiple branches of the same project hC?
23:14.37cladhairethats what i'll redirect the svn front-page too
23:14.45hyperChipmunkthat's what I mean
23:14.51hyperChipmunkbranch/project/username
23:14.57cladhaireno no,
23:15.01cladhairebranch/username/project
23:15.11Tekkubif someone's working on a branch it's really a one-man deal and branch isn't really meant for users unless directed there by someone
23:15.29Neronixcladhaire: and then we can select what project we want to browse to via the drop down boxes?
23:15.37hyperChipmunklike, right now, there's two Ace branches
23:15.56Tekkuboh clad I had a thought for you you're not gonna like :)
23:16.04cladhaireTekkub: WHAT?!?!?!
23:16.19Tekkubyou really should split Watchdog into two mods, one for the unitframes and one for the clickcasting
23:16.28cladhaireWay to be a week old cub
23:16.39hyperChipmunkhoho pwnt
23:16.39Tekkub:P
23:16.50cladhaireI had that idea like two weeks ago
23:16.55cladhaireand posted on wowinterface about it evenb
23:17.00cladhaireidea stealer
23:17.11Tekkublike I read WoWI that much :P
23:17.27TekkubI putter around the Ace forums mostly
23:17.40cladhaire=)
23:17.43cladhairethink i had it there too
23:17.50cladhairemr "zomg i had an original idea"
23:17.54hyperChipmunkoh SNAP!
23:17.55cladhaireits okay.. you're a unique snowflake =)
23:18.30pagefaultkergoth, I think visor is screwed up, when I click a window with the frame finder and type /vz set h=true it doesn't disappear
23:19.06hyperChipmunki think visor is tain
23:19.12TekkubI never said origonal :P
23:19.27Tekkubit was like all my other good ideas, I had it in the bathroom
23:20.45cladhairelol
23:21.03Neronixheh
23:21.19hyperChipmunkwhat's the comment character for .vimrc?
23:21.39Neronixgut feeling says #
23:21.42hyperChipmunk"
23:21.44id`hyperChipmunk: ;
23:21.47id`err  "
23:21.53hyperChipmunkfound it =)
23:21.55id`:)
23:21.59id`vim user? :o
23:22.10Neronix*punches
23:22.12hyperChipmunkabsolutely
23:22.16id`\o/ good
23:22.21id`3 and counting
23:22.21id`:p
23:22.28cladhaireSo can I ask you guys to not commit anything for a little bit?
23:22.39hyperChipmunksure, you can ask =D
23:22.46NeronixI don't even have access yet, so go for it :P
23:23.19Tekkubyou gonna try to import and maintain the commit logs clad or just start fresh?
23:23.19hyperChipmunkfor i in *; do svn commit -m "You mean not like this, Clad?"
23:23.24hyperChipmunkdone
23:23.31id`lol
23:24.14Neronixthink I'd better read up on how to use SVN
23:24.34Neronixonly ever used it before to checkout code for a RO server emulator
23:24.43Neronixback ages ago when I worked with one
23:25.33id`I've never worked with svn either
23:25.34Neronixbasically a case of checkout, tar/gzip, upload via ssh to bsd server, pray that it'd compile, pray that the map server won't segfault when loading, profit!
23:25.47id`hehe
23:25.50Neronix*worked with a private server
23:37.32Tekkubokey... time to give Gratuity a good testing... gonna integrate it into SE :)
23:37.42TemOh
23:37.44TemMy
23:37.46TemGod.
23:37.49TekkubBECKY!
23:37.50TemCheck this out
23:38.01Temhttp://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?FN=wow-interface-customization&T=361000&P=1
23:38.02hyperChipmunkrofl
23:38.13Temread the GM response to "Is Catalyst a legal mod?"
23:38.32Neronixsomeone actually had to ask!?
23:39.02hyperChipmunks the Game World and also includes the word Hack, which is *never* good.
23:39.28Neronixoh jesus
23:39.32Temcan someone help me reword my description for dumbass GMs?
23:40.01Neronixmaybe provide a link to the real definition of hack
23:40.14hyperChipmunkas long as you don't use the word "hack"
23:40.20hyperChipmunkbecause that is *never* good
23:41.13Tekkub*eyeroll* I'm about sick of the "official" forums
23:41.41TekkubI only go there to ask for fixes and API changes/additions...
23:42.00Tekkubspeaking of, need to get the inbox items function to return a link... *pesters slouken*
23:42.15CodayusOh...wow...
23:42.25CodayusThat's so aggressively retarded I just lost 5 IQ points reading it.
23:42.35cladhaireTEKKUB
23:42.41cladhaireso many revisions =)
23:42.43Tekkubbut but.. a GM SAID IT IT'S TRUE
23:42.45hyperChipmunkNo no! I saw that movies Hackers! Obviously hackers are all high school kids looking to hack the gibson and make free phone calls from pay phones! They'll use their neat laptops and change files on the internet so that you're dead, and make restaurants cut up your credit cards! It was on TV, it must be real!
23:43.39Tekkuband yea clad, I usually commit after evry minor change, makes nice easy changelog :)
23:43.53Tekkubyou'll notice commits with multiple changes are rare with me
23:44.25cladhaire=)
23:44.27cladhaireI know
23:44.31cladhairejust took forever to load you in
23:45.18Neronixis there some SVN etiquette I need to know about?
23:45.29hyperChipmunkno hacking the svn
23:45.29Neronixor something for SCMs in general?
23:45.40Neronixnever uploaded to one before
23:45.51NeronixhyperChipmunk: I guessed that :P
23:45.57hyperChipmunkit's important
23:46.27hyperChipmunkfor instance, if you upload a mod like catalyst
23:46.29hyperChipmunkthat's hacking
23:46.34TekkubNero: always note what you do in every commit
23:46.34hyperChipmunkwhich is *never* good
23:46.40Codayus*snerk*
23:47.05Tekkuband tag your note with the addnome.. like "PeriodTable - I fixed a bug"
23:47.13Tekkub*addon name
23:47.20Tekkubgod I can't fucking type
23:47.28hyperChipmunkor in my case, "BatFu - One bug fixed, 3 more created!"
23:47.45Tekkubanyway... aside from commit notes just make sure you're posting in the right path for what you're doing
23:47.57CodayusI think I have a new sig.
23:47.59Tekkubuse branches and tags!
23:48.11Tekkub(when applicable)
23:49.12Temok, check out my new description and tell me what you think
23:49.22hyperChipmunkI think you're a retard
23:49.31CodayusI think your a hacker!
23:49.34CodayusAnd that's *never* good!
23:49.36*** mode/#wowace [+k hyperChipmunk] by Tem
23:49.41hyperChipmunkthat is *never* good
23:49.43Tem><
23:49.44hyperChipmunk=(
23:49.49*** mode/#wowace [+b hyperChipmunk!*@*] by Tem
23:49.52CodayusIt's true.
23:50.05*** mode/#wowace [-b hyperChipmunk!*@*] by Tem
23:50.13CodayusMake me an op, I'll show you how to do it.
23:50.18hyperChipmunkTem >8(
23:50.28Temhttp://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4827
23:50.32Neronixthanks for the info
23:50.51hyperChipmunkyou spelled intelligent wrong
23:50.57hyperChipmunkoh n/m
23:50.59hyperChipmunkthat's inelegant
23:51.01hyperChipmunklol
23:51.01Neronixis there one log for all addons in the new system?
23:51.06Codayus...
23:51.10cladhaireZOMG tem
23:51.12cladhaireNeronix: Yes
23:51.18hyperChipmunkTem: needs a bigger font
23:51.28TemhyperChipmunk: that's as big as it goes
23:51.30cladhaireTem: CATALYST haxors my computer and i lock up in theromore EVERY time with 90,000 addons enabled.
23:51.32cladhaireits your fault.
23:51.42Temgo die in a corner cladhaire
23:51.46Temgo fucking die
23:51.51hyperChipmunklol
23:51.53Neronixlol
23:52.00Neronixcladhaire: I see
23:52.05Wobin_Hey Clad...
23:52.07hyperChipmunkTem: can you add memory usage and load times to Catalyst?
23:52.12Neronixguess that explains why I need to tag every commit with my addon name
23:52.17CodayushyperChipmunk: But then it'd be a hack!
23:52.21CodayusAnd that's *never* good.
23:52.29CodayusOh wait, it's already a hack.  nm
23:52.30Wobin_What do you think of categorising the addons by the ace category in the SVN?
23:53.20Wobin_So you'd have svn.wowace.com/something/Interface/MrPlow/trunk/
23:53.21NeronixGod, imagine if the whole Catalyst-is-evil thing was a meme on SomethingAwful or 4chan >.<
23:53.37Wobin_quick make a ytmnd page
23:53.42Neronixor ytmnd
23:53.54Neronix(thanks for the reminder :P)
23:53.59Wobin_np =P
23:56.21cladhaireTem: No commits for right now.. k k k?
23:56.33Temcladhaire: ug, fine
23:56.40hyperChipmunkTem: stop hacking k ?
23:56.49Temno wai!
23:56.52Neronixbecause that is *never* good

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