| 00:00.10 | Kaelten | no clad, I was wondering if it would be better fitting to start development on an ace2.0 version or do the work on the 1.0 branch |
| 00:00.20 | cladhaire | I want to finish up this work on the 1.0 branch |
| 00:00.28 | cladhaire | 2.0 is going to need a good week of arch discussino |
| 00:00.32 | cladhaire | what we want to keep/breakm, etc. |
| 00:00.33 | kergoth | Class = Factory(Object, Object) .. ClassFactory = Factory(Object, Class) .. hee |
| 00:01.18 | Kaelten | kergoth, you heart me |
| 00:01.22 | Kaelten | err hurt |
| 00:01.24 | Kaelten | lol |
| 00:01.29 | hyperChipmunk | I <3 you too |
| 00:01.32 | kergoth | haha |
| 00:01.34 | Kaelten | damn I need to read what I typed before I hit enter |
| 00:02.36 | cladhaire | I had to dig through and determine "The life of an Ace Addon" today |
| 00:02.42 | cladhaire | to fully understand what Ace.lua and AceState does. |
| 00:02.49 | cladhaire | cause its so unnecessarily complicated at this point =) |
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| 00:03.30 | cladhaire | not that it didn't need to be at that time. |
| 00:04.38 | hyperChipmunk | if you actually documented that, it would be beautiful |
| 00:04.45 | cladhaire | lol ok |
| 00:04.51 | Kaelten | ya things are a lot more basic now than it used to be |
| 00:04.59 | hyperChipmunk | you have no idea |
| 00:05.26 | hyperChipmunk | I hate how it is now, where I haven't been able to take the time to sort out what's actually ace and what isn't, and what exactly it does |
| 00:05.38 | hyperChipmunk | I just work off of examples |
| 00:05.45 | cladhaire | its pretty simple |
| 00:05.47 | cladhaire | if not convoluted |
| 00:05.49 | hyperChipmunk | I'm sure it is |
| 00:06.17 | hyperChipmunk | which is why there needs to be a simple doc that explains it so people don't go off and do it liek I am without understanding why |
| 00:06.27 | hyperChipmunk | if it's hard to find out that it's simple |
| 00:06.33 | Kaelten | well how simple can it be now? |
| 00:06.52 | hyperChipmunk | then being simple doesn't help for those who really need it |
| 00:08.24 | cladhaire | Kaelten: Can be simplified quite a bit.. as far as code goes. |
| 00:08.35 | cladhaire | Kaelten: Well.. a bit |
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| 00:17.04 | Kaelten | cladhaire, cool |
| 00:27.32 | ckknight | Tekcub, sorry to tell you this, but I thought of another possible API addition |
| 00:27.41 | Tekcub | kek |
| 00:27.56 | ckknight | compost:TemporaryHash(k1, v1, k2, v2, ...) |
| 00:28.33 | ckknight | I'm not sure if it's fully worthwhile, though |
| 00:28.56 | Tekcub | explain |
| 00:28.57 | ckknight | but my idea is that you don't need to reclaim it, and only one can exist at a tile |
| 00:28.58 | ckknight | time* |
| 00:29.06 | ckknight | it'd be useful for dropdown menus |
| 00:29.09 | Tekcub | hrm.... |
| 00:29.29 | ckknight | UIDropDownMenu_AddButton(compost:TemporaryHash('checked', TRUE)) |
| 00:29.48 | Tekcub | hrm.......... |
| 00:29.50 | ckknight | it has its downfalls, though |
| 00:30.15 | Tekcub | personally, with the menus, I'd acquire once, recycle it a number of times, then reclaim it |
| 00:30.25 | ckknight | that's what I'm doing now |
| 00:30.50 | Tekcub | it'd really be no diff than what you want, except the acquire at the start and the reclaim at the end |
| 00:31.06 | ckknight | yea |
| 00:31.10 | Tekcub | UIDropDownMenu_AddButton(compost:RecycleHash(t,'checked', TRUE)) |
| 00:31.17 | ckknight | oh, you can do that? |
| 00:31.18 | ckknight | hrm |
| 00:31.22 | Tekcub | yes |
| 00:31.27 | ckknight | I didn't know recycle returned the table |
| 00:31.29 | Tekcub | recycle returns your table |
| 00:31.34 | Tekcub | yes |
| 00:32.01 | Tekcub | mainly because if you flag Compost as disabled it'll allocate tables instead and return those |
| 00:32.27 | Tekcub | so if you're not setting the return value that'll break you addon if compost is off possibly... |
| 00:32.48 | Tekcub | I mean, no user should be disabling, you have to do it scriptwise |
| 00:32.59 | Tekcub | but it's neat to see how much garbage compost stops |
| 00:33.27 | Tekcub | I'm not entirely sure my memory thing it Stats is accurate |
| 00:34.47 | Tekcub | but yea, all the methods except reclaims will return back the table |
| 00:35.15 | Tekcub | so use t = compost:Erase(t) |
| 00:35.16 | Tekcub | etc |
| 00:51.39 | Tekcub | okey fuck dis shits |
| 00:51.46 | Tekcub | me go watch teeveez |
| 00:57.30 | hyperChipmunk | ckknight: do the newer fubars require babblelib standalone? I thought you embedded that |
| 00:57.32 | cladhaire | kergoth: What have you got for me my man? =) |
| 00:57.48 | ckknight | hyperChipmunk, it should be embedded |
| 00:59.18 | hyperChipmunk | strange, that's the second person with "DurabiltiyFu.lua:26 attempt to index global `BabbleLib' (a nil value) |
| 01:00.06 | hyperChipmunk | I mean, if it's embedded, there shouldn't be a problem with that, eh? |
| 01:00.34 | cladhaire | Ok. |
| 01:00.42 | cladhaire | I'm so off righ tnow. |
| 01:01.40 | cladhaire | Oh jesus |
| 01:01.44 | cladhaire | how did this get passed by for so long =( |
| 01:01.55 | cladhaire | function AceCore:new(o) |
| 01:01.55 | cladhaire | self.__index = self |
| 01:01.55 | cladhaire | return setmetatable(o or {}, self) |
| 01:01.55 | cladhaire | end |
| 01:03.34 | ckknight | ? |
| 01:03.42 | ckknight | oh, yea |
| 01:03.45 | ckknight | I noticed that |
| 01:03.52 | cladhaire | *sigh* |
| 01:03.53 | ckknight | when I did my personal review of lua |
| 01:03.55 | ckknight | seemed out of place |
| 01:04.19 | cladhaire | such a basic mistake.. that was intentional.. but horrible. |
| 01:04.25 | ckknight | hyperChipmunk, check to see if BabbleLib.lua is in the FuBar folder, and then check to see if it's in the .toc |
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| 01:07.38 | hyperChipmunk | hm, when I delete my AddOns/BabbleLib, my stuff breaks too |
| 01:07.54 | hyperChipmunk | aha, no it isn't |
| 01:08.03 | hyperChipmunk | that explains it, eh |
| 01:08.17 | pagefault | nice |
| 01:08.19 | pagefault | my pc is fast as hell now |
| 01:08.23 | pagefault | 60 fps in org |
| 01:08.50 | pagefault | 46 heh |
| 01:08.53 | pagefault | well up from 28 |
| 01:13.25 | ckknight | wow, I just found pretty bad memory leak in ExperienceFu |
| 01:13.28 | ckknight | well, possible leak |
| 01:13.33 | ckknight | either way, compost will fix it |
| 01:21.52 | cladhaire | *cheer* |
| 01:25.41 | ckknight | Tekcub, I have to say, thank you for writing Compost |
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| 01:28.35 | kergoth_ | foo |
| 01:30.14 | cladhaire | kergoth_: Hello |
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| 01:31.01 | Kaelten | hello |
| 01:31.38 | Kaelten | so doing x = {} == bad right? |
| 01:31.39 | ckknight | hey Kaelten |
| 01:31.42 | ckknight | yes |
| 01:31.47 | ckknight | in most cases |
| 01:33.42 | hyperChipmunk | how should you do it then? |
| 01:33.49 | ckknight | compost:Acquire() |
| 01:34.27 | ckknight | I only do x = {} if it's going to exist forever |
| 01:34.35 | ckknight | but if I ever redeclare it, I'll use compost |
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| 01:36.29 | Kaelten | so x = compost:Acquire? |
| 01:36.36 | ckknight | x = compost:Acquire() |
| 01:37.10 | Kaelten | hmm |
| 01:37.26 | ckknight | then when you're done with it, compost:Reclaim(x) |
| 01:38.23 | Kaelten | ck hmm interesting |
| 01:38.34 | Kaelten | s |
| 01:38.39 | ckknight | okay |
| 01:38.44 | ckknight | I'm fixing all my dropdown lists |
| 01:38.48 | ckknight | and my Reports |
| 01:39.30 | ckknight | lol |
| 01:47.20 | hyperChipmunk | ahh, you don't have BabbleLib.lua in your svn fubar directory, cuz you have it in its own repo |
| 01:57.50 | hyperChipmunk | from the BatFu comments: "keep up the work man, this addon for fubar is tits." |
| 01:57.53 | hyperChipmunk | that's good, right? |
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| 02:02.37 | Kaelten | BatFu? |
| 02:03.32 | ckknight | yes |
| 02:03.37 | ckknight | it is totally tits |
| 02:03.51 | kergoth_ | i suddenly recall an old george carlin route |
| 02:03.57 | kergoth_ | the 7 deadly words, iirc |
| 02:04.03 | ckknight | the tits thing is from South Park |
| 02:04.22 | kergoth_ | eh? |
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| 02:05.47 | Kaelten | welcome Cairen1 |
| 02:05.48 | ckknight | for it being used as a positive thing |
| 02:05.54 | ckknight | Cartman said it |
| 02:06.03 | ckknight | a few times |
| 02:06.06 | ckknight | then Kyle got mad |
| 02:06.10 | ckknight | I forget which season |
| 02:06.13 | Cairen1 | Kaelten: smartass |
| 02:07.09 | Kaelten | ck, why does my fubar addon error? |
| 02:07.20 | hyperChipmunk | t |
| 02:07.26 | kergoth_ | heh |
| 02:07.34 | Kaelten | FuBarTooltip.lua:528: Category 'FuBar_ReloadFu' does not exist. |
| 02:07.35 | kergoth_ | tits has been used as slang for a good thing for a long time |
| 02:07.38 | hyperChipmunk | BatFu, cuz it sounds better than FuBar_Battlegroundsfu |
| 02:07.39 | kergoth_ | long before south park |
| 02:07.46 | hyperChipmunk | and easier to write |
| 02:10.05 | hyperChipmunk | and good |
| 02:10.50 | hyperChipmunk | I was afraid my addon might be spilling lactic fluid on his wow client or something |
| 02:19.33 | Kaelten | Level 1 paladins with [Lightforge Gauntlets] are pissing me off |
| 02:22.03 | kergoth_ | heh |
| 02:22.34 | Kaelten | wb Cairenn |
| 02:22.37 | Kaelten | :) |
| 02:23.31 | Kaelten | kergoth: is the class code ready to start working with? |
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| 02:27.09 | Kaelten | kergoth, ? |
| 02:28.37 | kergoth_ | I have usable code with a defined API, just playing around with alternate architectures and optimization methods under the hood |
| 02:28.43 | kergoth_ | theres something we can get into svn to build off of |
| 02:29.13 | kergoth_ | http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/DevelopmentAbstraction.html is a really good article, by the way. inversion of the usual beliefs |
| 02:30.17 | ckknight | hyperChipmunk, yea, instead of canDetachTooltip, there's not cannotDetachTooltip |
| 02:31.09 | ckknight | Kaelten, ReloadFu is improperly written, then |
| 02:31.42 | Kaelten | ck: well I fixed some of the problems, no more errors, but there is no tooltip on hover |
| 02:31.55 | Kaelten | kergoth: k, can I get a copy? |
| 02:34.13 | kergoth_ | that tarball i linked you to the other day is essentially it, other than the fact that you had to pass a table containing the superclasses to the Class() function, rather than individual arguments |
| 02:35.59 | kergoth_ | Kaelten, one thing though, for your typical addon developer, this isnt high level enough. this lets them create spiffy classes inheriting a number of ace modules once we write them, but we dont want each addon creating a class. its too heavy. a class in this model is 5 tables, an object is one |
| 02:36.41 | kergoth_ | Kaelten, so what i've been working on most recently is a class pool, indexed by the superclasses supplied, in that order, so that only one class for each combination of superclasses is created, a read only class, to be used to create their addon object |
| 02:36.56 | kergoth_ | its functional, just need to enhance it |
| 02:39.49 | Kaelten | hmm thats neat |
| 02:40.18 | kergoth_ | indexing a table by a list of superclasses was /not/ fun. i ended up using tostring() to grab the memory address of each superclass, then concatenate them into a single string in the supplied order, then use that as the key |
| 02:40.25 | kergoth_ | heh |
| 02:41.31 | kergoth_ | Kaelten, http://kergoth.com/OObits-20060411.tar.gz |
| 02:41.42 | kergoth_ | Kaelten, ignore objfoo.lua, thats my current rearchitecture work |
| 02:42.02 | kergoth_ | Kaelten, what you care about is obj.lua, which is the core of the implementation, and objtest.lua, which is example usage |
| 02:42.09 | kergoth_ | and you might find the classpool interesting |
| 02:42.27 | kergoth_ | c3merge is internal implementation stuff, you neednt worry about it unless you're curious |
| 02:43.21 | hyperChipmunk | "On the other extreme you have typical software companies built by ex-programmers. These companies are harder to find because in most circumstances they keep quietly to themselves, polishing code in a garret somewhere, which nobody ever finds, and so they fade quietly into oblivion right after the Great Ruby Rewrite, their earth-changing refactoring-code code somehow unappreciated by The People." |
| 02:43.21 | Kaelten | which files do I need to port into an addon to be able to use this stuff? |
| 02:43.27 | Kaelten | obj and c3merge? |
| 02:43.31 | kergoth_ | yeah |
| 02:45.02 | kergoth_ | Kaelten, the first step is to integrate this and come up with some of the core classes, like an acemodule class for a block of code to be inherited by an addon, with enable/disable/init, etc |
| 02:45.10 | kergoth_ | imo |
| 02:46.00 | Kaelten | hmm |
| 02:46.06 | Kaelten | now do we need what classpool does? |
| 02:46.13 | Kaelten | or is it just not ready to start playing with? |
| 02:46.29 | kergoth_ | classpool works, but its only needed if you actually have classes to inherit :P |
| 02:46.39 | Kaelten | hehe |
| 02:46.40 | Kaelten | true |
| 02:46.49 | kergoth_ | local myaddon = ClassPool(AceAddon, AceHooks, ...)() is probably going to be the common case |
| 02:47.02 | kergoth_ | obtains the read only class with that functionality from the pool, then calls it to create an object |
| 02:48.00 | Tekcub | and my internet gets all implodey again... joys |
| 02:48.19 | kergoth_ | note that we have proper multiple inheritence here. if all those inherited classes have an initialize method, your classes can just super(self, 'Initialize') in their initialize methods, to ensure that all the classes in the hierarchy get that called |
| 02:49.05 | kergoth_ | i expect inherits will end up being useful in some cases, so be aware of it. if obj.inherits(thisobject, thatclass) then .... end |
| 02:49.15 | kergoth_ | as a rudamentary "type checking" |
| 02:49.21 | kergoth_ | to ensure that arguments have the methods you expect |
| 02:50.36 | hyperChipmunk | * NEW Frame:RegisterAllEvents() - For debugging purposes only!!!ZOMG!!! |
| 02:50.37 | hyperChipmunk | hehehee |
| 02:50.52 | Kaelten | lol |
| 02:51.05 | hyperChipmunk | that's seriously asking for abuse |
| 02:51.34 | kergoth_ | i know what i'll do, kael. i'll make some basic simple classes based on this. like shapes. rectangle, square, with an area method |
| 02:51.44 | kergoth_ | as a complete example, rather than the low level unit tests i have now |
| 02:52.01 | kergoth_ | think thatll help? |
| 02:52.14 | ckknight | hyperChipmunk, I'm about to commit 0.9.99 |
| 02:52.33 | hyperChipmunk | ckknight: excellent; what's the new changes |
| 02:52.47 | ckknight | I'm writing em up now |
| 02:52.57 | ckknight | changing API.html currently |
| 02:54.53 | hyperChipmunk | great |
| 02:55.35 | cladhaire | Ok. |
| 02:55.37 | cladhaire | its bedtime folks |
| 02:55.38 | cladhaire | <3 |
| 02:56.01 | cladhaire | If you'd like to take the new AceEvent for a spin, stop on by http://svn.wowace.com/Ace/branches/Cladhaire/Ace |
| 02:56.36 | cladhaire | Uses the new AceLibStub, should be a drop-in replacement for the current Hook and AceEvent systems.. Didn't get to make the changes to AceState/AceModule that I would have liked, but its still looking pretty decent. *shrug* |
| 02:59.06 | cladhaire | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:04.29 | ckknight | okay, hyperChipmunk |
| 03:04.31 | ckknight | changed self.canDetachTooltip to self.cannotDetachTooltip |
| 03:04.38 | ckknight | Warnings will occur if someone tries to manipulate FuBarTooltip instead of self.tooltip |
| 03:04.42 | ckknight | added self:DetachTooltip() |
| 03:04.46 | ckknight | added self:ReattachTooltip() |
| 03:04.51 | ckknight | added self:IsTooltipDetached() |
| 03:05.35 | Tekcub | hey boss.... |
| 03:05.45 | Tekcub | does yours SVN have a RSS feed by chance? |
| 03:08.38 | clad|sleep | If you want you can probably set up a post-commit hook to commit to the ace repo if you'd like too |
| 03:08.38 | clad|sleep | *shrug* |
| 03:08.46 | clad|sleep | lemme know if you wanna work something out.. cladhaire@gmail.com |
| 03:08.48 | clad|sleep | later folks |
| 03:09.00 | Tekcub | yea, use ace repo! |
| 03:09.07 | Tekcub | *grin* |
| 03:12.42 | kergoth_ | clad|sleep: nice, sounds like you've been more productive than i have, i'll have to play with it |
| 03:12.44 | ckknight | Tekcub, yea, probably |
| 03:12.53 | ckknight | Tekcub, http://ckknight.hopto.org:8080/websvn |
| 03:13.03 | Tekcub | wewt! |
| 03:13.38 | ckknight | wait, you telling me to use the ace repo? |
| 03:13.52 | ckknight | I'm updating like all my plugins now, Tekcub |
| 03:14.19 | Tekcub | *shrug* it's got RSS, I don't care either way :) |
| 03:14.41 | ckknight | lol |
| 03:15.40 | ckknight | note: this version will likely confuse users |
| 03:15.46 | ckknight | cause of all the deprecation warnings and such |
| 03:15.48 | hyperChipmunk | sweet |
| 03:15.55 | hyperChipmunk | users suck |
| 03:16.50 | ckknight | yea, people just need to replace FuBarTooltip with self.tooltip in their addons |
| 03:16.59 | ckknight | and it'll work for them |
| 03:20.59 | ckknight | so, you think a week should be plenty for plugin authors to change what they have? |
| 03:23.30 | ckknight | okay, it's all committed |
| 03:24.15 | hyperChipmunk | yea |
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| 03:31.48 | Tekcub | perhaps, if I can log in, I'll get all my plugins converted over to FuBar now |
| 03:34.14 | ckknight | cool |
| 03:34.30 | ckknight | should just be a search and replace deal |
| 03:40.04 | Tekcub | Bossman, do me a flavour.... |
| 03:40.21 | Tekcub | slip Babble into FuBar on your SVN so update will pick it up :P |
| 03:41.48 | hyperChipmunk | /agree |
| 03:42.06 | hyperChipmunk | how do the repos handle symlinks? |
| 03:42.38 | ckknight | Tekcub, no |
| 03:42.48 | ckknight | BabbleLib is in another repository |
| 03:42.52 | ckknight | I update it there |
| 03:43.14 | ckknight | maybe if I could symlink it... |
| 03:43.16 | ckknight | but I dunno |
| 03:43.34 | hyperChipmunk | I was thinking about that earlier |
| 03:43.36 | Tekcub | yea the same is true of Compost, but I still commit it up with PeriodicTable |
| 03:43.46 | hyperChipmunk | i never got around to checking |
| 03:44.00 | Tekcub | the Compost-specific commit is always guarenteed to be the latest |
| 03:44.55 | ckknight | in my local version, BabbleLib isn't even in the FuBar directory |
| 03:44.59 | ckknight | I just have it be its own addon |
| 03:45.44 | hyperChipmunk | yea, that's what i had going |
| 03:45.53 | hyperChipmunk | but I realized that wasn't a good idea |
| 03:45.58 | ckknight | why not? |
| 03:46.07 | Tekcub | so you think Metrognome's good to publish to WoWI and such? |
| 03:46.14 | ckknight | oh yes |
| 03:46.21 | ckknight | I already include it in FuBar |
| 03:46.22 | hyperChipmunk | because that's not the setup that we're expecting the users to have |
| 03:46.26 | ckknight | it replaced all my normal OnUpdate stuff |
| 03:46.38 | ckknight | hyperChipmunk, my packaging system takes care of it |
| 03:46.41 | hyperChipmunk | and at least while we're testing, we should have it in the expected configuration locally |
| 03:47.39 | hyperChipmunk | well, that's what I prefer to do anyway =) |
| 03:47.49 | hyperChipmunk | obviously, you're welcome to do how you please |
| 03:48.08 | Tekcub | yea I just wanted it to get a lil use, make sure all was good and basically complete before I published a real release |
| 03:48.15 | Tekcub | like Compost we keep adding it >< |
| 03:48.25 | Tekcub | so I'm still waiting there :) |
| 03:48.43 | ckknight | hrm, alright |
| 03:48.56 | ckknight | but that, I'm also comfortably using in FuBar |
| 03:49.35 | Tekcub | yea, I'll package up Metro and publish here in a few |
| 03:50.11 | Tekcub | I figger I'll publish a release, link up the forum, SVN, and Wiki, and only update the UI sites when I change major rev numbers |
| 03:50.19 | Tekcub | miners can be pulled off the SVN |
| 03:50.23 | Tekcub | *minors |
| 03:50.40 | Tekcub | gee, can you tell I went to CO School of Mines? |
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| 03:55.26 | hyperChipmunk | boss =x |
| 03:55.33 | Kaelten | kergoth, heh needs some work to get it work in wow |
| 03:55.41 | ckknight | -x? |
| 03:55.47 | ckknight | =x*? |
| 03:55.50 | ckknight | wtf? |
| 03:55.51 | hyperChipmunk | we have badness |
| 03:55.55 | ckknight | eep |
| 03:55.56 | ckknight | what? |
| 03:56.21 | hyperChipmunk | interesting |
| 03:56.23 | hyperChipmunk | it went away |
| 03:56.24 | hyperChipmunk | O_o |
| 03:56.26 | hyperChipmunk | ok |
| 03:56.32 | ckknight | ... |
| 03:56.34 | hyperChipmunk | nuked all my bosspanels |
| 03:56.37 | hyperChipmunk | er, fubars |
| 03:56.44 | hyperChipmunk | downloaded fresh from your svn |
| 03:56.50 | hyperChipmunk | fired up |
| 03:57.00 | hyperChipmunk | detached durability |
| 03:57.05 | kergoth_ | Kaelten: how so? thats lua 5.0 code |
| 03:57.08 | hyperChipmunk | and like, it didn't show up |
| 03:57.19 | hyperChipmunk | and the right-click menu cleared, but the frame stayed up |
| 03:57.31 | hyperChipmunk | then when I went to click on it again to undetach |
| 03:57.44 | Kaelten | kergoth local x = Class() says class is nil |
| 03:57.52 | hyperChipmunk | Interface\AddOns\FuBar\FuBarTooltip.lua:1332: Detached tooltip has no owner. |
| 03:58.12 | ckknight | hrm |
| 03:58.16 | hyperChipmunk | um, then I leftclicked the menubar and it appeared |
| 03:58.23 | ckknight | ...? |
| 03:58.23 | hyperChipmunk | and from there on everything has been fine |
| 03:58.30 | ckknight | weird |
| 03:58.35 | hyperChipmunk | gonna try again |
| 03:58.47 | hyperChipmunk | but just wanted to document here while the order was fresh in my mind |
| 03:59.36 | hyperChipmunk | yep, ok, the detached shows up, the rightclick text clears, but the frame stays up for about 5s |
| 03:59.50 | ckknight | ... |
| 03:59.51 | hyperChipmunk | if you let it disappear, it's ok |
| 03:59.56 | hyperChipmunk | I think |
| 04:00.34 | hyperChipmunk | sorry, just reporting =\ |
| 04:00.46 | hyperChipmunk | ok, yea |
| 04:01.06 | hyperChipmunk | if you rightclick again before the blank frame disappears, the detached tooltip disappears |
| 04:01.34 | hyperChipmunk | and then if you try to uncheck Detach Tooltip with that click, it gives the error I reported above |
| 04:02.05 | Kaelten | I hate Bibtoolbar soemtime |
| 04:02.16 | Kaelten | they have Every blizz addon as a dependcy |
| 04:02.45 | hyperChipmunk | yea behavior's universal |
| 04:03.12 | hyperChipmunk | my bar worked perfectly previously with detaching, and it doesn't generate any new depracation errors |
| 04:03.18 | hyperChipmunk | and the same behavior occurs |
| 04:04.09 | Kaelten | kergoth, whats the actually structure in obj.lua file that needs to be exposed? |
| 04:05.20 | hyperChipmunk | I'm actually wondering if the behavior is something to do with Compost, since that should be the only change you made with the dropdowns, right? |
| 04:05.27 | hyperChipmunk | we can blame it on tek |
| 04:05.51 | Tekcub | and serverbootage, huzzah |
| 04:05.59 | Cairenn | yo, ckknight, you still here? |
| 04:06.02 | hyperChipmunk | tek, you're a failure as a programmer and a human being |
| 04:06.08 | hyperChipmunk | ya he here |
| 04:06.16 | hyperChipmunk | prolly digging through code atm |
| 04:06.32 | hyperChipmunk | I just layed a bit of a major bug on him |
| 04:07.14 | Tekcub | Compost works fine, if anything's wrong it's his use of it :P~~~~ |
| 04:07.19 | Cairenn | ckknight: "Interface\AddOns\FuBar\FuBar.lua:554: attempt to call field 'MENU_DEFAULT_PROFILE' ( a string value) |
| 04:07.36 | Tekcub | hehe |
| 04:07.46 | Wobin_ | I was having issues with reclaim self referential tables |
| 04:07.48 | Tekcub | that on the latest commit Cair? |
| 04:07.52 | Wobin_ | So he might want to look at that |
| 04:08.01 | hyperChipmunk | he committed to his svn about 10m ago |
| 04:08.01 | Cairenn | on the one I just approved on WoWI |
| 04:08.03 | Wobin_ | Or not exactly self referential |
| 04:08.06 | hyperChipmunk | oh noz |
| 04:08.17 | Wobin_ | More... cross referential |
| 04:08.18 | Cairenn | so yeah, last commit |
| 04:08.28 | hyperChipmunk | he uploaded w/o letting me break it first |
| 04:08.37 | Tekcub | ah, so you approved buggy code? You're fired! |
| 04:08.48 | hyperChipmunk | Cairenn, you're a failure as a moderator and a human being |
| 04:09.00 | Cairenn | hyperChipmunk: and your point? |
| 04:09.11 | Tekcub | he has not |
| 04:09.16 | hyperChipmunk | uh, I wasn't aware i needed one |
| 04:09.35 | Tekcub | just dangle your nuts at him and he'll shut up |
| 04:10.01 | Cairenn | umm, I don't have nuts to dangle, so :p |
| 04:12.56 | Tekcub | well then you're SOL eh? |
| 04:13.55 | Kaelten | its ok, we understand |
| 04:13.55 | Cairenn | meh |
| 04:14.06 | Kaelten | Kergoth, you around man? |
| 04:14.23 | Wobin_ | Tekk: What defines if a table is 'Saved' with compost? |
| 04:14.34 | Wobin_ | (Apart from having Seen the Lord) |
| 04:16.04 | Wobin_ | And woot, Recycle. |
| 04:16.40 | hyperChipmunk | also, I can't get my tooltip within like 128 pixels of the bottom edge of my screen -- once I touched it, it jumped up and I coulnd't get it back |
| 04:19.04 | Tekcub | what do you mean Wob? |
| 04:19.25 | Cairenn | holy crapola |
| 04:20.04 | hyperChipmunk | sorry.. |
| 04:20.07 | hyperChipmunk | OMG WHAT CAIRENN?!?!?! |
| 04:20.22 | Cairenn | error messages galore, hang on |
| 04:20.24 | Wobin_ | I was looking at the Stats() result last night, and it has New, Recycled, Saved, Secondary, Max, Erases |
| 04:20.30 | Wobin_ | Wondering what the 'saved' was |
| 04:20.37 | hyperChipmunk | there's lots of depracation errors |
| 04:20.44 | Tekcub | Saved is the size of the mait cache |
| 04:20.47 | hyperChipmunk | that's Working As Intended |
| 04:20.48 | Tekcub | *main |
| 04:20.53 | Wobin_ | right |
| 04:21.14 | Tekcub | think I should rename that? |
| 04:21.36 | Wobin_ | Well you have Secondary, call Saved, Main, or Cache |
| 04:21.50 | Wobin_ | (d) |
| 04:21.56 | Tekcub | ya |
| 04:22.24 | Wobin_ | also, in the GetTable: table.remove(self.var.cache, 1) |
| 04:22.32 | Wobin_ | Wouldn't just table.remove(self.var.cache) be faster? |
| 04:22.43 | Tekcub | would it? |
| 04:22.45 | Wobin_ | since it grabs it from the end and doesn't realign all the others? |
| 04:23.01 | Tekcub | I have no clue if that is faster |
| 04:23.26 | Wobin_ | afaik taking it from the beginning makes the table shift all the values up one and decrement n |
| 04:23.36 | Wobin_ | while taking it from the end just decrements n |
| 04:24.10 | Tekcub | I think that's a question for kerg or clad |
| 04:24.31 | Wobin_ | and you can also do local t = table.remove(yada) |
| 04:24.39 | Wobin_ | not that that saves you much |
| 04:24.58 | Tekcub | hrm... let me test right now.... |
| 04:25.11 | Wobin_ | I wonder if 'return table.remove(yada)' would save you the local reference as well... |
| 04:25.43 | kergoth_ | 'save you the local reference' doesnt mean anything. a local doesnt take up space, it doesnt even exist in a named form after compilation into vm instructions |
| 04:26.06 | Kaelten | kergoth: |
| 04:26.08 | Wobin_ | It'll make the code neater, I guess =) |
| 04:26.21 | Kaelten | one thing that had to change was your regular expression for the uid |
| 04:26.24 | kergoth_ | Wobin_, yeah, thatd be the main advantage |
| 04:26.33 | kergoth_ | Kaelten: how so? |
| 04:26.38 | Kaelten | '[^:]*: (.*)$' |
| 04:26.47 | Kaelten | when you tostring a table in wow it doesn't have the 0x in front |
| 04:26.51 | Wobin_ | (And that looks like a mutated smiley =P) |
| 04:26.54 | Kaelten | its just table: 11223344 |
| 04:26.58 | kergoth_ | jeeze, what the hell was the point of changing that |
| 04:27.11 | kergoth_ | deviating from upstream for no reason is bad |
| 04:27.14 | kergoth_ | ~lart bliz |
| 04:27.22 | kergoth_ | ~botsnack |
| 04:27.22 | purl | :), kergoth_ |
| 04:27.28 | Wobin_ | Purl! My hero! |
| 04:27.30 | Kaelten | than and exposing obj tot he global namespace |
| 04:27.43 | Kaelten | s/than/that |
| 04:27.45 | Kaelten | s/than/that/ |
| 04:27.50 | Wobin_ | hehe |
| 04:27.50 | Kaelten | bah |
| 04:27.58 | kergoth_ | nod, return it in the .lua is a feature of require() |
| 04:28.08 | Kaelten | which is not in wow |
| 04:28.14 | kergoth_ | ckknight, something in my fubar bits is erroring about not having metrognome |
| 04:28.58 | Kaelten | kergoth, why is inherits not a member function of the class? |
| 04:29.02 | Kaelten | and or object? |
| 04:29.15 | Tekcub | yup wob, you're right |
| 04:29.58 | kergoth_ | because it didnt sseem like a function of either. and to get the same functionality, you'd have to add it to both. and i'm used to python, which has it as a seperate function |
| 04:30.31 | Tekcub | 2.258 sec for 10k remove(t,1) ... 0.01 sec for 10k remove(t) |
| 04:30.47 | kergoth_ | 2 seconds? i think your scale is off |
| 04:31.12 | Kaelten | it just seems like it could be a function of both |
| 04:31.15 | Wobin_ | You could possibly use 'next' instead of pairs, for another speed increase, since all you're checking is that a value exists, not that you need the first value specifically |
| 04:31.34 | Tekcub | well it was a table with 10k elements in it |
| 04:31.38 | Wobin_ | hm. |
| 04:31.48 | Tekcub | removing one at a time from the front... |
| 04:31.54 | Wobin_ | You could just use getn really... |
| 04:32.01 | kergoth_ | even with 10k elements, 2 seconds is horrid, enough to fuck up anything you're coding |
| 04:32.12 | Kaelten | and then it would only have 1 argument with self being the implied |
| 04:32.15 | kergoth_ | heh |
| 04:32.26 | Tekcub | local t, x = {}, 10000 |
| 04:32.26 | Tekcub | for i=1,x do table.insert(t,1) end |
| 04:32.26 | Tekcub | local mem, time = gcinfo(), GetTime() |
| 04:32.26 | Tekcub | for i=1,x do table.remove(t,1) end |
| 04:32.26 | Tekcub | print(gcinfo()-mem, GetTime()-time) |
| 04:32.31 | kergoth_ | Kaelten, feel free. i didnt see the point in polluting both namespaces |
| 04:32.45 | Tekcub | that == 2 sec |
| 04:33.00 | Kaelten | well I'm just trying to figure out how to put all this in the name space. |
| 04:33.39 | kergoth_ | it is in the namespace, the obj namespace. |
| 04:33.59 | Cairenn | ckknight: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?p=20530#post20530 |
| 04:34.04 | Tekcub | anyway, it was a proof and it proved that removing from the end is faster, so I'll do that. It's probably insignificant in a 10 element table, but meh |
| 04:34.27 | Kaelten | true, |
| 04:34.28 | Cairenn | I don't know whether it's something on your end or whether it's on the end of GuildFu, TransporterFu and ReagentFu |
| 04:34.51 | hyperChipmunk | all the non-starterpack addons will be broken |
| 04:34.52 | Wobin_ | Tekcub: Why do you have the 'for i in pairs...' for the secondary cache? You haven't for the primary one, and it's basically doing the same thing? |
| 04:35.01 | hyperChipmunk | or my stuff =0 |
| 04:35.06 | kergoth_ | Tekcub, nod, that is good to know |
| 04:35.57 | Tekcub | because the secondary is weak and might get reclaimed.... |
| 04:35.57 | Tekcub | and I'm not all that great with metatables so fix it if you know better |
| 04:36.04 | ckknight | Cairenn, yea |
| 04:36.07 | ckknight | I know about that |
| 04:36.12 | ckknight | I put the deprecation warnings in |
| 04:36.21 | Cairenn | did you see my other bug report? |
| 04:36.35 | ckknight | not yet |
| 04:36.45 | Cairenn | "Interface\AddOns\FuBar\FuBar.lua:554: attempt to call field 'MENU_DEFAULT_PROFILE' ( a string value) |
| 04:36.53 | Cairenn | just typed that one out |
| 04:37.00 | Wobin_ | I really need to research more into weak tables... |
| 04:37.06 | Cairenn | since it was a single line |
| 04:37.10 | Tekcub | as do I |
| 04:37.26 | Tekcub | I know Iriel bitched about how I was handling the secondary cache |
| 04:37.29 | ckknight | I'm on it |
| 04:37.42 | Tekcub | but meh, I was TRYING to update all my stuff to FuBar finally |
| 04:37.53 | Tekcub | but you fuckers keep draping me back to compost |
| 04:37.59 | Tekcub | *dragging |
| 04:41.29 | ckknight | ~hug Tekcub |
| 04:41.31 | purl | ACTION hugs Tekcub |
| 04:41.36 | Tekcub | :P |
| 04:41.53 | ckknight | and the plugins aren't broken |
| 04:41.55 | ckknight | they're warnings, not errors |
| 04:42.17 | Cairenn | ckknight: Interface\AddOns\SpecialEvents\SpecialEventsBags.lua:77: attempt to index filed 'vars' (a nil value) |
| 04:42.31 | ckknight | i didn't write SpecialEvents |
| 04:42.42 | ckknight | go talk to Tekcub |
| 04:43.01 | Tekcub | using SVN version? |
| 04:43.11 | Cairenn | nope, from WoWI |
| 04:43.25 | Tekcub | try the SVN one |
| 04:43.30 | Tekcub | *digs* |
| 04:43.30 | Cairenn | Hell, I don't even know when/where/how I got it :p |
| 04:43.37 | Cairenn | I don't recall ever installing it :p |
| 04:43.45 | Tekcub | kek |
| 04:44.05 | Tekcub | well the SVN one is of course most up to date |
| 04:44.05 | Tekcub | shit keeps changing in it |
| 04:44.16 | Tekcub | but I can't connect to opensvn |
| 04:44.39 | Tekcub | and I've not put it up on AceSVN cause *surprize* I changed more shit |
| 04:44.57 | hyperChipmunk | do you use transporter? |
| 04:45.09 | Cairenn | I was, but I've currently disabled it |
| 04:45.13 | hyperChipmunk | somewhere along the line it got ninja-added to transporterfu |
| 04:45.16 | Cairenn | because of the spam |
| 04:45.23 | Cairenn | that would explain it |
| 04:45.28 | hyperChipmunk | periodictable too |
| 04:45.49 | Cairenn | okay, now I know why that's in there as well |
| 04:45.54 | hyperChipmunk | =P |
| 04:45.58 | Cairenn | question ... why? :p |
| 04:46.08 | hyperChipmunk | well, it uses both |
| 04:46.16 | Cairenn | bleh |
| 04:46.16 | hyperChipmunk | previously it just notified you of the things it couldn't do without them |
| 04:46.35 | hyperChipmunk | which were imo insubstantial |
| 04:46.35 | hyperChipmunk | at least the SE one didn't matter |
| 04:46.39 | hyperChipmunk | unless maybe you were a mage keeping trakc of reagents? |
| 04:46.48 | Wobin_ | Hrm, I think something Iriel mentioned about weak keys and booleans was incorrect... |
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| 04:46.53 | hyperChipmunk | but then he just started throwing them in the zip |
| 04:46.59 | hyperChipmunk | whihc kinda peeved me |
| 04:47.01 | ckknight | fixed the bug, Cairenn, and uploaded |
| 04:47.12 | Tekkub | me == about fucking sick of the internet tonight |
| 04:47.15 | Wobin_ | Hrm, Tekk, I think something Iriel mentioned about weak keys and booleans was incorrect... |
| 04:47.46 | Wobin_ | well not really incorrect, but having a boolean (or value) in a weak table stops the entry from being GC'd |
| 04:47.54 | Tekkub | yes wob |
| 04:47.54 | Tekkub | I am working on that |
| 04:47.54 | Tekkub | but between IRC and my internet intermittantly failing, nothing is getting accomplished |
| 04:47.59 | Cairenn | approved |
| 04:48.07 | Wobin_ | which defeats the purpose of the secondary cache |
| 04:48.24 | Tekkub | the secondary cache works just fine |
| 04:48.30 | Wobin_ | Oh, none of this is urgent Tekk =P I'm just musing my way along |
| 04:49.11 | Tekkub | I've tested it |
| 04:49.11 | Tekkub | I agree that remove isn't the best way to handle it probably, but I have to use insert |
| 04:49.18 | Tekkub | unless we figure something better out |
| 04:49.30 | Tekkub | ugh |
| 04:49.41 | Tekkub | iriel didn't help one bit, honestly |
| 04:50.05 | Wobin_ | From the looks of it, not really =) |
| 04:50.26 | Tekkub | he looked at it, said "this is gonna cause problems" and that was it, never tested it |
| 04:50.36 | Tekkub | and it doesn't cause problems, it runs fine :P |
| 04:51.39 | Tekkub | bah |
| 04:53.33 | Wobin_ | oh I'm wrong |
| 04:53.35 | Kaelten | kergoth: what is protoindex in "local Protometa = {__index = protoindex}"? |
| 04:53.48 | Wobin_ | The boolean he suggests doesn't affect GC |
| 04:53.53 | Tekkub | but instead I think I may have just found something better..... |
| 04:53.53 | Tekkub | *grin* |
| 04:53.53 | Tekkub | protoplasm? |
| 04:54.22 | Wobin_ | A "precursor to Index"? =P |
| 04:54.31 | Wobin_ | </david attenbourough voice> |
| 04:55.21 | Kaelten | Wobin_, It doesn't get defiend anywhere I can see |
| 05:00.36 | hyperChipmunk | know what I hate about this channel? |
| 05:00.40 | hyperChipmunk | there's like no good time to leave |
| 05:00.45 | Kaelten | lol |
| 05:00.50 | Wobin_ | hehe |
| 05:01.00 | hyperChipmunk | move to one freaking continent, gawd |
| 05:01.04 | Wobin_ | Sure there is... in about... 8 hours or so maybe |
| 05:01.14 | Wobin_ | There's a definite 'quiet time' |
| 05:10.09 | ckknight | continent? |
| 05:10.21 | hyperChipmunk | preferably a narrow one |
| 05:14.11 | Kaelten | well I'm going to fight with it tommorw night guys |
| 05:14.40 | hyperChipmunk | a continent? |
| 05:15.04 | hyperChipmunk | fight australia; they're a bunch of sissies |
| 05:16.18 | ckknight | Pohmmy bastards |
| 05:17.19 | Wobin_ | er? |
| 05:17.27 | Wobin_ | Aussies aren't pommy bastards |
| 05:17.29 | Wobin_ | That's the UK |
| 05:18.04 | Wobin_ | we're the goddamn colonials |
| 05:18.25 | ckknight | Wobin_, Pohm = Prisoner of Her Majesty |
| 05:18.50 | Wobin_ | Specific parlance perhaps |
| 05:18.57 | Wobin_ | but the poms have -always- been the brits |
| 05:19.20 | ckknight | well, what does pom mean in that context? |
| 05:19.22 | Wobin_ | Cause who have been 'prisoners of her majesty' longer thatn us? |
| 05:19.28 | Wobin_ | The Brits! |
| 05:19.47 | ckknight | ... |
| 05:19.49 | ckknight | whatever |
| 05:19.55 | ckknight | the pohm thing is what my dad told me |
| 05:19.57 | ckknight | he's a Kiwi |
| 05:20.26 | Wobin_ | bloody sheepshagging kiwis =) |
| 05:20.51 | Wobin_ | We need to claim more of their actors and singers as our own = |
| 05:20.53 | Wobin_ | P |
| 05:25.57 | Wobin_ | http://www.snopes.com/language/acronyms/pommy.htm |
| 05:26.13 | Wobin_ | There you go =P |
| 05:26.42 | Tekkub | arg |
| 05:26.42 | Tekkub | I think I'm gonna rewire myself up |
| 05:26.42 | Tekkub | my wireless is being dumb too I think |
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| 05:40.16 | Tekkub | huzzah, net seems not retarded now |
| 05:40.23 | Tekkub | fuck wifi |
| 05:40.57 | Tekkub | new Compost up, nothing changed functionally |
| 05:42.39 | banditron | was it raining in your room? |
| 05:42.43 | banditron | rain hurts wifi |
| 05:44.08 | Tekkub | no |
| 05:44.11 | Tekkub | :P |
| 05:44.26 | Tekkub | but as it stands the only thing that needs the wifi is the PVR |
| 05:44.33 | Tekkub | kinda pointless for me to use it |
| 05:44.39 | Tekkub | so I reran my cable |
| 05:56.00 | Cairenn|sleep | night guys |
| 06:02.33 | Tekkub | *giggle* |
| 06:02.38 | Tekkub | sittin at the AH |
| 06:02.42 | Tekkub | toying with code |
| 06:02.49 | Tekkub | and BAM ImbaPalas procs |
| 06:02.55 | Tekkub | *snicker* |
| 06:08.31 | Wobin_ | damn you curse |
| 06:14.21 | Tekkub | HUZZAH! |
| 06:14.37 | Tekkub | got the API methods in PT redone finally |
| 06:14.46 | Tekkub | *glee* |
| 06:15.13 | ckknight | if I ever make a movie, I would definitely not have foreigners speak English in foreign accepts amongst each other |
| 06:16.01 | Wobin_ | hehe |
| 06:16.25 | Wobin_ | no not even then |
| 06:16.37 | Wobin_ | You have them speak their native language amongst each other |
| 06:16.39 | Wobin_ | damnit |
| 06:16.41 | ckknight | yea |
| 06:16.44 | ckknight | and use subtitles |
| 06:16.48 | Wobin_ | oh sorry =) misread |
| 06:16.58 | Wobin_ | oh wait |
| 06:16.59 | Wobin_ | accepts? |
| 06:17.04 | ckknight | accents* |
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| 06:17.10 | Wobin_ | hehe |
| 06:17.16 | Wobin_ | I so read that as accents except =P |
| 06:17.22 | ckknight | lol |
| 06:17.35 | Wobin_ | Comprehension = nil =P |
| 06:18.07 | Wobin_ | Have you seen that new Jackie Chan movie, The Myth |
| 06:18.09 | Wobin_ | ? |
| 06:18.36 | ckknight | no |
| 06:18.53 | ckknight | I'm watching Human Trafficking now |
| 06:18.54 | Wobin_ | The copy I have is brilliant, he speaks English and Cantonese in the 'modern day' scenes and Mandarin in the 'past life' scenes |
| 06:19.11 | Wobin_ | With no dubbing whatsoever |
| 06:19.30 | ckknight | hrm |
| 06:19.56 | ckknight | that is best, really |
| 06:20.03 | ckknight | when I watch a movie, I want to be immersed in it |
| 06:20.10 | ckknight | things should feel natural |
| 06:21.31 | hyperChipmunk | yea |
| 06:21.58 | Tekkub | new PT committed up :) |
| 06:22.09 | hyperChipmunk | natural like translations running across the bottom of your vision irl |
| 06:22.28 | Wobin_ | You mean you don't get that, hyperChipmunk ? |
| 06:22.39 | Wobin_ | Man, where were you when they handed out the hotfix? |
| 06:22.41 | hyperChipmunk | >8) |
| 06:22.44 | hyperChipmunk | rofl |
| 06:23.06 | ckknight | it's more natural to have foreign language with subtitles |
| 06:23.17 | ckknight | rather than to have Ukranians speak English in their own home |
| 06:24.00 | hyperChipmunk | ah, but the difference is that the subtitles is obviously unnatural whereas your scenario is only intuitively unnatural |
| 06:24.47 | ckknight | this movie is interesting |
| 06:25.36 | hyperChipmunk | the former affects a much broader stroke, since -- especially if it's potentially viewed by children -- some people won't pick up on the strangeness |
| 06:26.04 | Wobin_ | Depends on how badly it's done |
| 06:26.08 | hyperChipmunk | ^of the latter |
| 06:26.10 | Wobin_ | I've seen some horrific examples =P |
| 06:26.54 | hyperChipmunk | my peeve is use of earthly-rooted idioms in sci-fi or fantasy context |
| 06:27.41 | Wobin_ | "FIRE!" |
| 06:28.16 | Tem | hyperChipmunk: yes! I hate that |
| 06:28.27 | hyperChipmunk | i swear to God, there is a Star Wars book in which Lando Calrissian says, "It's a shootout at the blob corral" |
| 06:28.30 | Wobin_ | ffs. it'd be "RELEASE" =( |
| 06:28.51 | Wobin_ | and what part of 'long long ago' don't they get? |
| 06:29.07 | hyperChipmunk | dude, Lando watches westerns, yo |
| 06:29.19 | Tem | Lando would so watch westerns |
| 06:29.20 | hyperChipmunk | Earth American 20th century ones |
| 06:29.25 | hyperChipmunk | he would |
| 06:29.39 | hyperChipmunk | but not the ones we do |
| 06:29.53 | Tem | like, of all the characters in Star Wars, Lando would be the western buff |
| 06:30.10 | hyperChipmunk | that isn't my point! |
| 06:30.13 | Tem | and Luke would be the white rapper |
| 06:30.17 | Wobin_ | ew |
| 06:30.27 | Wobin_ | Ice ice baby |
| 06:30.48 | Tem | Uncle Owen, I know I'm probation... I cleaned the driods; can I go to the hodgy station? |
| 06:31.00 | hyperChipmunk | lol |
| 06:31.10 | Tem | I got a layaway on a power converter... |
| 06:31.27 | hyperChipmunk | I think there was a similar situation on one of the new BSGs too |
| 06:31.37 | hyperChipmunk | it annoyed me |
| 06:31.51 | Tem | Yoda, why you being a playa hater? You know I must confront Lord Vader |
| 06:32.11 | Tem | but Luke, not ready are you |
| 06:32.29 | Tem | There's a city in the clouds where they're keepin my crew... |
| 06:32.34 | Wobin_ | The "Fire" one will always bug me with fantasy settings |
| 06:32.35 | hyperChipmunk | it's REALLY annoying when the one saying it isn't even humanTem |
| 06:32.37 | Tem | oh damn I need to stop... |
| 06:32.39 | hyperChipmunk | Tem |
| 06:32.43 | [MoonWolf] | talk about rap |
| 06:32.43 | hyperChipmunk | please stop |
| 06:32.48 | [MoonWolf] | some d12 guy was shot. |
| 06:32.54 | [MoonWolf] | dead |
| 06:32.54 | Tem | aww |
| 06:33.07 | Tem | but these chicks don't even know the name of my band |
| 06:34.08 | hyperChipmunk | and when aliens are speaking accented english amongst themselves AND using idioms which clearly should not exist in their culture... |
| 06:34.15 | Wobin_ | hehe |
| 06:34.19 | Tem | heh |
| 06:34.20 | Wobin_ | AZN ALIENZ |
| 06:34.52 | Tem | I kill you |
| 06:34.57 | Tem | I kill you with LAZERS |
| 06:34.59 | [MoonWolf] | I subscribe to the common seed theory |
| 06:35.00 | Tem | PEWPEW |
| 06:35.16 | Tem | [MoonWolf]: is that like Stargate or something? |
| 06:35.28 | [MoonWolf] | aliens went around and dumped general genetic material everywhere and different being grew out of it |
| 06:35.32 | Wobin_ | There are some things not even convergant evolution can support =P |
| 06:35.33 | [MoonWolf] | on earth we got humans |
| 06:35.41 | [MoonWolf] | on vulcan we have vulcans |
| 06:35.45 | hyperChipmunk | dude |
| 06:35.52 | hyperChipmunk | blob corral |
| 06:35.59 | [MoonWolf] | it explains why everybody is bipedal |
| 06:36.08 | [MoonWolf] | and why we all seem to talk english |
| 06:36.14 | [MoonWolf] | its genetic. |
| 06:36.21 | Wobin_ | rfol |
| 06:36.44 | Wobin_ | We're genetically predispossesed to be white anglo saxon males =P |
| 06:37.06 | [MoonWolf] | it was in a ST TNG episode. |
| 06:37.34 | hyperChipmunk | ...with token minorities |
| 06:37.52 | hyperChipmunk | except arabics |
| 06:37.58 | hyperChipmunk | there are no arabs in space |
| 06:37.59 | hyperChipmunk | ever |
| 06:38.12 | Tem | why is that? |
| 06:38.12 | Wobin_ | or aussies |
| 06:38.14 | hyperChipmunk | unless they're an alien culture |
| 06:38.21 | Wobin_ | unless you watch Farscape |
| 06:38.25 | [MoonWolf] | hehe |
| 06:38.29 | Tem | Wasn't there an Arab in SpaceBalls? |
| 06:38.29 | ckknight | there are always Jews in space, though |
| 06:38.34 | hyperChipmunk | no |
| 06:38.44 | [MoonWolf] | at least farscape had a good explenation for the english |
| 06:38.49 | hyperChipmunk | couple black guys |
| 06:38.52 | Wobin_ | microbes =) |
| 06:39.59 | Wobin_ | Shh. |
| 06:40.00 | hyperChipmunk | programmers don't get token females by default |
| 06:40.03 | hyperChipmunk | that's a rarity |
| 06:40.04 | Wobin_ | You're supposed to be asleep |
| 06:40.15 | hyperChipmunk | although |
| 06:40.20 | hyperChipmunk | in fiction |
| 06:40.24 | Cairenn|sleep | oh, right |
| 06:40.25 | hyperChipmunk | definitely |
| 06:41.35 | hyperChipmunk | night froods |
| 06:42.08 | [MoonWolf] | programmers dont get token females |
| 06:42.10 | [MoonWolf] | damnit! |
| 06:42.22 | Tem | Cairenn|sleep, needs to set up her client with some scripts that change her nick to Cair||PretnedingToSleepButReallyLurking for a good 2 hours after she tries to change it to Cairenn |
| 06:42.43 | Tem | |sleep |
| 06:43.05 | Cairenn|sleep | not my fault you guys finally start talking about interesting stuff just as I'm trying to go to sleep :p |
| 06:43.14 | Cairenn|sleep | it's all your fault |
| 06:43.16 | Tem | hehe |
| 06:43.29 | hyperactiveZzzzz | this can be solved by moving everone in the channel to a very limited longitudinal band |
| 06:43.37 | hyperactiveZzzzz | as I suggested earlier |
| 06:44.01 | Tem | what we need is someone in this channel to be filthy rich |
| 06:44.14 | Tem | so we can all mooch |
| 06:44.24 | Tem | and write addons all day |
| 06:46.51 | ckknight | ...? |
| 06:46.58 | Tem | Cairenn|sleep: you still around? |
| 06:47.14 | Tem | Cairenn|sleep: when I see myself on WoWI it says I've made 8 uploads |
| 06:47.19 | Tem | Cairenn|sleep: but I only count 7 |
| 06:47.57 | Cairenn|sleep | http://www.wowinterface.com/list.php?skinnerid=14927 |
| 06:48.00 | Cairenn|sleep | that says 7 |
| 06:48.09 | Cairenn|sleep | where are you seeing 8? |
| 06:48.22 | Tem | on a comment |
| 06:48.26 | filthy_rich | wow |
| 06:48.35 | filthy_rich | I just lagged out for 2 mins |
| 06:48.42 | Cairenn|sleep | Tem: linkage? |
| 06:48.48 | filthy_rich | kinda killed the joke |
| 06:48.54 | Tem | finding it cair |
| 06:49.25 | Tem | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4825 |
| 06:49.28 | Tekkub | whee... darkmoon faire.... |
| 06:49.32 | Tekkub | moon, new PT |
| 06:49.37 | [MoonWolf] | weeeee |
| 06:49.37 | Tem | joke? |
| 06:49.42 | Tem | I was totally serious |
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| 06:50.06 | Tem | you see it Cair? |
| 06:50.09 | hyperactiveZzzzz | well, you said we needed someone in the channel to be filthy rich |
| 06:50.24 | hyperactiveZzzzz | so I became filthy rich |
| 06:50.39 | Cairenn|sleep | Tem: hrm, I see what you mean, I'll point it out to Dolby tomorrow |
| 06:50.48 | Tem | cool |
| 06:50.51 | Cairenn|sleep | and now I really am gone |
| 06:50.54 | Cairenn|sleep | night |
| 06:51.07 | Tem | I was kinda hoping there was another mystery upload that I didn't remember doing... |
| 06:51.14 | Tem | night Cair |
| 06:51.45 | Wobin_ | can I say, irt Darkmoon faire... TONKS! |
| 06:51.50 | Wobin_ | omg TONKS =P |
| 06:52.17 | Tem | tonks? |
| 06:52.29 | Wobin_ | remote control toy tanks at DF =) |
| 06:52.35 | Wobin_ | they're so much fun |
| 06:54.09 | Tem | how do you get em? |
| 06:56.02 | Wobin_ | Look for consoles on the side |
| 06:58.23 | Wobin_ | they're so much fun |
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| 07:22.48 | [MoonWolf] | finally |
| 07:22.54 | [MoonWolf] | done reading all the forum threads |
| 07:23.24 | banditron | wowberries |
| 07:37.32 | Tem | wow [MoonWolf] |
| 07:37.38 | Tem | you read all the threads? |
| 07:37.50 | [MoonWolf] | Oh yeah, I read all the new posts in all the threads. |
| 07:38.05 | Tekkub | he's an obsessive compulsive moderator |
| 07:38.05 | Tem | wow |
| 07:38.11 | Tem | I don't have the patience |
| 07:38.12 | [MoonWolf] | during the day its easy |
| 07:38.20 | [MoonWolf] | but after sleep I have a backlog of 8 hours. |
| 07:38.44 | [MoonWolf] | Tekkub, I did that before I became moderator. |
| 07:38.51 | Tekkub | :P |
| 07:39.03 | Tekkub | I only read new posts in threads I care about |
| 07:39.08 | Tem | me too |
| 07:39.15 | Tekkub | oh new threads that peak my interest |
| 07:39.24 | Tem | and I usually ignore the Requests forum altogether |
| 07:39.34 | Tem | because it's the one that attracts the most noobs |
| 07:39.44 | Tekkub | I tend to too, I have enough mods in my brain I want |
| 07:39.54 | Tekkub | I'm not gonna spend time coding ones I don't |
| 07:39.57 | Tem | "ZOMG ACED COSMOS" |
| 07:40.12 | [MoonWolf] | zomg , make it ace, it automagically becomes better. |
| 07:40.19 | Tem | [MoonWolf]: indeed |
| 07:40.49 | [MoonWolf] | they dont understand that ace mods are not better because of ace, but because we take time and effort to simply make efficient mods. |
| 07:41.10 | Tem | *nod* |
| 07:41.20 | Tekkub | BTW moon, you look at new PT? |
| 07:41.26 | [MoonWolf] | not yet |
| 07:41.28 | [MoonWolf] | ill do so now. |
| 07:41.30 | Tekkub | ItemInSet recursive goodness |
| 07:41.35 | Tekkub | ^^ |
| 07:41.47 | [MoonWolf] | ill need that for eM |
| 07:41.59 | Tekkub | gonna add a method to generate trashmob sets and start converting the winged instances soon too |
| 07:42.22 | Tekkub | oh yea, need to get in the dungeon 1&2 sets too |
| 07:42.28 | Tekkub | those are quice to do |
| 07:42.39 | Tekkub | *quick |
| 07:44.04 | [MoonWolf] | looking good Tekkub |
| 07:44.32 | Tekkub | ^^ |
| 07:46.28 | [MoonWolf] | I think I am going to add a cost item to mendeleev |
| 07:46.45 | [MoonWolf] | that displays the mem cost for drawing the tooltip |
| 07:47.46 | [MoonWolf] | brb |
| 07:49.27 | Tekkub | kek |
| 08:18.04 | id` | http://daimeria.com/images/forum/netizen.jpg |
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| 08:25.29 | [MoonWolf] | what hapend in the other channel ? |
| 08:43.32 | Tekkub | *yawn* |
| 08:47.06 | id` | http://phraktured.net/funny/fail.jpg |
| 08:47.09 | id` | hahahahahahahahaha |
| 08:47.13 | id` | i love the internet |
| 08:47.15 | id` | <3 |
| 08:47.36 | Tekkub | that is horrible |
| 08:47.44 | Tekkub | and raises the question... |
| 08:47.56 | Tekkub | what's the direction of insertion? |
| 08:48.23 | [MoonWolf] | I assume the baby is going backwards |
| 08:48.40 | [MoonWolf] | seeing as how at that age you can go though mostly anything your head can get trough |
| 08:48.49 | Tekkub | well did it fall down or was it shoved in head first? |
| 08:49.04 | [MoonWolf] | fall down |
| 08:49.14 | Tekkub | head first is funnier, you lose |
| 08:51.03 | id` | FAIL! |
| 08:53.06 | [MoonWolf] | DO NOT WANT |
| 09:16.23 | [MoonWolf] | does 7zip handle tars ? |
| 09:25.04 | [Ammo] | meh |
| 09:25.12 | [Ammo] | again authentication failed on the wowace svn |
| 09:25.17 | [Ammo] | password changed again?! |
| 09:26.27 | [Ammo] | tested AQ40 bigwigs yesterday, and noticed a typo in Skeram.lua :) |
| 09:29.53 | [Ammo] | seems I lost access to your repository Tekkub |
| 09:29.58 | [Ammo] | my own rep still works |
| 09:30.09 | Tekkub | reset your password |
| 09:30.33 | Tekkub | and ammo, why are you unregistering events on disable you noob |
| 09:30.58 | [Ammo] | because otherwise you get errors |
| 09:31.05 | [Ammo] | and why _not_ |
| 09:31.16 | [Ammo] | it's a good idea imho |
| 09:31.26 | Tekkub | why not? because ace unregisters events for you on disable |
| 09:31.36 | [Ammo] | well it doesn't apparantly |
| 09:31.48 | [Ammo] | I got errors because it still fired events after a disable |
| 09:31.50 | Tekkub | well then something's wrong :P |
| 09:32.00 | [Ammo] | so I unregister my own events |
| 09:32.04 | [Ammo] | I didn't know Ace did that |
| 09:32.13 | [Ammo] | so sorry, but it fixed errors :) |
| 09:32.42 | [MoonWolf] | ace unregisters and unhooks everyting it knows about on a disable. |
| 09:32.43 | [Ammo] | read my commit message, it explains |
| 09:32.53 | [Ammo] | well something is wrong then |
| 09:32.56 | [Ammo] | because it still fired |
| 09:33.07 | [Ammo] | for some odd reason |
| 09:33.45 | [Ammo] | I thought it good practice to unregister events on disable ;) |
| 09:33.48 | [Ammo] | ohwell |
| 09:33.54 | [MoonWolf] | oh it is. |
| 09:33.59 | [MoonWolf] | thats is why ace does it for you. |
| 09:34.10 | Tekkub | another criticism.... |
| 09:34.25 | Tekkub | "arg1 and arg1 ~= nil" in the dictionary under the word redundant.... |
| 09:34.29 | [Ammo] | oh |
| 09:34.31 | [Ammo] | yeah it is |
| 09:34.38 | [Ammo] | where did I do that? |
| 09:34.43 | [Ammo] | I'll go slap myself |
| 09:35.21 | [Ammo] | but the GeneralRajaxx gave me errors when Ossirian yelled even though the general's mod was disabled... |
| 09:35.23 | Tekkub | Sartura is the one I'm looking at |
| 09:35.26 | [Ammo] | ah |
| 09:35.31 | [Ammo] | well I can't commit atm |
| 09:35.38 | [Ammo] | will try and change my passwd (again) |
| 09:36.35 | [MoonWolf] | babble lib is bad for my mendeleev filesize |
| 09:36.39 | [Ammo] | hmm |
| 09:36.42 | [Ammo] | my password is correct |
| 09:37.20 | Tekkub | yea, resetting repropogates the permissions or some shit |
| 09:37.44 | Tekkub | it seems if clad changes a repo's permissions you gotta do that |
| 09:38.07 | [MoonWolf] | looks like it |
| 09:38.18 | Tekkub | he needs to fix dat :P |
| 09:38.27 | [MoonWolf] | yep |
| 09:38.37 | [MoonWolf] | but the speed of the svn is really good |
| 09:38.56 | [MoonWolf] | so I'm not complaining. |
| 09:39.33 | Tekkub | I'm not complaining, I'm insisting :) |
| 09:40.48 | [Ammo] | I just changed my password, but still can't commit |
| 09:40.48 | [Ammo] | meh |
| 09:40.57 | [Ammo] | do I have to checkout again or something? |
| 09:42.42 | [MoonWolf] | try the password clad gave you |
| 09:43.15 | Tekkub | bleh, stupid dire maul, stupid alla |
| 09:43.35 | Tekkub | Moon: I'm seperating out trash mob drops and wing-ing dire maul as a test :) |
| 09:43.43 | [MoonWolf] | cool |
| 09:44.10 | [MoonWolf] | try to check if the items there make sure there is no more remaining Van Cleef loot. |
| 09:44.17 | [MoonWolf] | I think most of it is gone. |
| 09:44.21 | [Ammo] | none of the passwords work |
| 09:44.23 | [Ammo] | meh |
| 09:44.33 | [Ammo] | sorry tekkub, no commits into your SVN anymore |
| 09:45.29 | Tekkub | :P pester clad to fix it... and my access to otter's so I can fix some anchor in oRA_Ready |
| 09:45.42 | [Ammo] | I can try and fix that |
| 09:45.44 | [Ammo] | what's wrong with it? |
| 09:47.29 | Tekkub | the dialogs need to be anchored relative to WorldFrame not UIParent |
| 09:47.36 | [Ammo] | oh hmm |
| 09:47.41 | Tekkub | I fixed the first one, but I noticd tonight there are others |
| 09:48.02 | Tekkub | you just need to change UIParent to WorldFrame twice in the XML |
| 09:48.11 | [Ammo] | there's lots of em in all the xml's :) |
| 09:48.28 | Tekkub | just the base dialog frames, not all of em |
| 09:49.29 | [Ammo] | I can't commit there iether |
| 09:49.29 | [Ammo] | yay |
| 09:49.31 | [Ammo] | so meh |
| 09:50.52 | [Ammo] | I hopefully fixed my necronomicon tooltip problems now |
| 09:51.00 | [Ammo] | somehow the tooltip kept disappearing |
| 09:51.06 | [Ammo] | so I grab it from the global namespace now everytime |
| 09:51.17 | [Ammo] | stupid gametooltips refusing to cooperate |
| 09:51.33 | [MoonWolf] | can anybody name an addon that uses babblelib right now ? |
| 09:51.40 | [MoonWolf] | need code exampls. |
| 09:51.47 | Wobin_ | fubar? |
| 09:52.52 | [Ammo] | should I anchor my tooltip to the WorldFrame or UIParent? |
| 09:54.59 | [Ammo] | tekkub: http://connected.dnd.utwente.nl/~wouter/fix.zip for the Skeram and Sartura fixes |
| 09:56.15 | Tekkub | meh, working on mendy... commit it up whenever clad fixes your access |
| 09:56.24 | Tekkub | mendy/PT bosses |
| 09:57.22 | [Ammo] | k |
| 09:57.31 | [Ammo] | just silly access gets lost all the time |
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| 10:31.56 | [Ammo] | Tekkub: this is the error I tried to fix wth my unregistering: http://www.sariash.de/misctemp/BigWigs_Error.jpg |
| 10:32.02 | [Ammo] | seems someone else also found the problem |
| 10:32.37 | Tekkub | hum |
| 10:33.00 | [Ammo] | as you can see from the error |
| 10:33.06 | [Ammo] | the YELL event is still triggered |
| 10:33.15 | [Ammo] | and warnsets is set to nil in the Disable() |
| 10:33.26 | [Ammo] | thus my suspicion events don't get unregistered on disable |
| 10:33.58 | [MoonWolf] | on second idea |
| 10:33.59 | [Ammo] | reply 77 in your bigwigs thread etc |
| 10:34.03 | [MoonWolf] | im not going to use babble lib |
| 10:34.19 | [MoonWolf] | only about 20 lines or so can be translated by it..... |
| 10:35.14 | [MoonWolf] | I am not including a 250 kb file in my addon to translate 20 lines of text in a localisation of 200+ strings. |
| 10:35.30 | [Ammo] | ouch indeed |
| 10:35.40 | Tekkub | http://ui.worldofwar.net/ui.php?id=2423 |
| 10:35.47 | Tekkub | gfykthxbi |
| 10:36.18 | [Ammo] | :) |
| 10:39.32 | [Ammo] | I think it's because we call the Disable() method directly and not via Ace Tekkub |
| 10:39.43 | [Ammo] | self:Disable() etc... |
| 10:39.53 | [Ammo] | instead of disabling the addon via ace |
| 10:40.08 | Tekkub | you're doing tha tredundant shit again |
| 10:40.21 | [Ammo] | again? |
| 10:40.47 | [Ammo] | cool |
| 10:40.47 | [Ammo] | I might have copy pasted a lot |
| 10:40.48 | [Ammo] | and half-asleep |
| 10:40.50 | Tekkub | and I'd like to know how it's any different than ace calling it, cause I disable like that in a number of things (SpecialEvents) |
| 10:41.14 | Tekkub | so Ace needs to fix itsself :) |
| 10:41.24 | [Ammo] | well it's very bugged atm |
| 10:41.33 | Tekkub | I'll harass Clad about it, he's been working in the events module lately |
| 10:42.19 | [Ammo] | well if you call self:Disable() and the Disable() function is defined the class one doesn't get called or does it? |
| 10:42.32 | [Ammo] | (I have to admit I'm unsure how it works atm, so if I'm babbling shoot me) |
| 10:42.50 | Tekkub | the whole clas thing bugs me too, I got no clue |
| 10:43.20 | [Ammo] | I think the class one doesn't get called |
| 10:43.21 | Tekkub | but regardless, calling the disable via any means should do the default ace actions, if it's not ace needs fixed |
| 10:43.48 | [Ammo] | because it's overriden for this specific case |
| 10:43.53 | [Ammo] | and thus the events don't get unregistered |
| 10:44.38 | [Ammo] | but that's pretty easily checked with a print() in the part of Ace that deals with removing events from disabled addons |
| 10:44.47 | [Ammo] | or something |
| 10:45.33 | id` | What is unit testing? |
| 10:45.36 | id` | :P |
| 10:45.45 | id` | http://codebetter.com/blogs/jeremy.miller/archive/2006/04/11/142665.aspx |
| 10:45.47 | id` | im reading this :O |
| 10:50.19 | [Ammo] | means testing every function/object etc seperately |
| 10:50.28 | Tekkub | wewt, got DM all seperated out, world drops removed, trash mob tables created ^^ |
| 10:50.29 | [Ammo] | required input and output |
| 10:50.58 | [Ammo] | so if a function expects a string you test it with strings, empty strings, and other stuff, and see if it behaves like it should |
| 10:51.21 | [Ammo] | testing every small part of your program seperately = unit testing |
| 10:51.50 | [Ammo] | there are frameworks you can use to test stuff |
| 10:52.05 | [Ammo] | defining unit tests with input and expected output |
| 10:52.12 | [Ammo] | and then run them on your code |
| 10:53.18 | Tekkub | I think clad broke the cross-repo permissions |
| 10:53.26 | Tekkub | I can't commit to Moon's |
| 10:53.34 | [MoonWolf] | looks like it |
| 10:53.34 | Tekkub | MOON! |
| 10:53.37 | [MoonWolf] | I cant commit to you. |
| 10:53.42 | Tekkub | I got a file fer ya |
| 10:54.00 | Tekkub | actually, I'll pastebin it |
| 10:54.01 | [MoonWolf] | dump it in a branch on your svn for now ? |
| 10:54.58 | Tekkub | this is in the Cat file, it's not pulled out for localization, sorry :P |
| 10:54.58 | Tekkub | http://ace.pastebin.com/655368 |
| 10:55.11 | Tekkub | committing up new PT now |
| 10:56.47 | Tekkub | wewt |
| 10:56.58 | Tekkub | I finally got all that shit cleaned out of DM |
| 10:58.12 | [MoonWolf] | commited . Put your name in the commit comment. |
| 10:58.25 | Tekkub | ^^ |
| 11:05.20 | [MoonWolf] | There, redid the zhCN localisations. |
| 11:12.10 | [MoonWolf] | working on partial deDE translation now. |
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| 11:23.35 | Tekkub | ugh I still need to toy with babble |
| 11:26.33 | [MoonWolf] | its pretty handy, but I dont gain enoug, its 250 kb |
| 11:26.44 | [MoonWolf] | and It can translate like 20 strings with it. |
| 11:26.47 | [MoonWolf] | out of 200+ |
| 11:27.04 | id` | is it embedded? |
| 11:27.20 | [MoonWolf] | yes |
| 11:27.24 | id` | then dont worry? :P |
| 11:27.36 | [MoonWolf] | I will worry. |
| 11:28.11 | [MoonWolf] | if its the only addon to use it then thats 250 kb in memory doing well... nothing. |
| 11:28.31 | [MoonWolf] | and I go around saying mendeleev is small, and suddenly its 250 kb bigger.... |
| 11:29.52 | [MoonWolf] | I mean currently mendeleev is 80 or so kb |
| 11:30.15 | [MoonWolf] | excluding screenshot reamde and license files |
| 11:32.45 | [MoonWolf] | minimal deDE translation in |
| 11:32.54 | [MoonWolf] | if someone wants more they can make it themselves. |
| 11:41.01 | [MoonWolf] | Tekkub, are you available ? |
| 11:41.13 | Tekkub | kinda what you need |
| 11:41.48 | [MoonWolf] | I'm drycoding here at work, and I would like to ask you if you can check the current mendy trunk for any glaring errors. |
| 11:41.54 | [MoonWolf] | but only if you have the time/want to ofcourse. |
| 11:43.17 | Tekkub | I can test |
| 11:43.23 | Tekkub | it committed? |
| 11:43.27 | [MoonWolf] | yep |
| 11:44.56 | Tekkub | *slap* |
| 11:45.09 | Tekkub | you're using tabs for allignment in the cat file |
| 11:45.24 | [MoonWolf] | eeeuh |
| 11:45.25 | Tekkub | and gimme a sec, got conflicts since I couldn't commit my file |
| 11:45.25 | [MoonWolf] | and ? |
| 11:45.47 | [MoonWolf] | the tabs are not really well done at the moment |
| 11:45.52 | [MoonWolf] | but it wont break the code. |
| 11:50.08 | Tekkub | there we go, testing now |
| 11:51.15 | Tekkub | mend.lua:13 locals a nil |
| 11:51.30 | Tekkub | cats.lua:5 index Category a nil |
| 11:51.36 | [MoonWolf] | ooops |
| 11:51.45 | [MoonWolf] | need to rearange the toc tome |
| 11:51.57 | Tekkub | bah now I have to log out |
| 11:52.09 | Tekkub | stupid relog to get toc changes |
| 11:52.47 | [MoonWolf] | commited |
| 11:59.50 | Tekkub | *logs back in* |
| 12:02.08 | Tekkub | mend.lua:5 |
| 12:02.17 | Tekkub | Category nil |
| 12:02.26 | Tekkub | *Cats:5 |
| 12:02.29 | Tekkub | >< |
| 12:03.12 | [MoonWolf] | eeeuh |
| 12:04.41 | [MoonWolf] | I ll change some stuff around that should fix it.... |
| 12:05.10 | [MoonWolf] | the mendeleve.lua locals fault is gone ? |
| 12:05.36 | Tekkub | yes |
| 12:05.57 | namxo | do you know a proper way with ace when you add DEFAULT_OPTIONS value for a new version, and to save only the new default value ? |
| 12:06.26 | [MoonWolf] | committed. |
| 12:06.52 | Tekkub | nam, don't ask me I don't use AceDB :P |
| 12:07.30 | Tekkub | no errors moon, appears to work fine |
| 12:07.48 | [MoonWolf] | Tekkub, one final thingy |
| 12:08.11 | [MoonWolf] | do a /script MendeleevLocals:zhCN() |
| 12:08.18 | [MoonWolf] | or deDE or frFR |
| 12:08.37 | Tekkub | and? |
| 12:08.48 | [MoonWolf] | if it doesnt error its good. |
| 12:09.11 | [MoonWolf] | and most likely you wont understand your tooltips anymore. |
| 12:09.11 | Tekkub | nope no errors on all three |
| 12:09.27 | Tekkub | tooltips didn't change |
| 12:09.43 | [MoonWolf] | oooookaaaay |
| 12:09.54 | [MoonWolf] | ill figure that out when I get home |
| 12:09.59 | Tekkub | one sec... |
| 12:10.43 | Tekkub | nope no clue |
| 12:11.29 | namxo | no idea for my question ? |
| 12:11.33 | Tekkub | and talk with boss about the overhead, I thought he designed Babble so it only loads the locale sets you ask for |
| 12:11.53 | Tekkub | I told ya not to ask me cause I don't use AceDB :P |
| 12:12.04 | namxo | i talk to [MoonWolf] ;p |
| 12:12.15 | [MoonWolf] | Tekkub, I simply dont like using it, because it doesnt fix my localisations problems because I still have to do 180 lines myself. |
| 12:12.32 | [MoonWolf] | namxo, what was the question .... |
| 12:12.38 | Tekkub | didn't he steal your bos locales though? |
| 12:12.45 | namxo | read above [MoonWolf] :) |
| 12:12.58 | [MoonWolf] | only my zones |
| 12:13.01 | [MoonWolf] | bosses are not in. |
| 12:13.06 | Tekkub | we need a locale manager, something akin to PT |
| 12:13.09 | Tekkub | *ponder* |
| 12:13.24 | Tekkub | idea: |
| 12:13.30 | Tekkub | AceLocale... |
| 12:13.42 | Tekkub | on load you register locale functions |
| 12:13.55 | Tekkub | then if you need a locale you call AceLocale... |
| 12:14.04 | [MoonWolf] | namxo, not a clue how to do that. |
| 12:14.14 | Tekkub | it loads up your locale if it's not loaded and returns the string you ask for |
| 12:14.20 | namxo | :( |
| 12:14.37 | [MoonWolf] | when you have a hammer every problem becomes a nail |
| 12:14.58 | Tekkub | nam: if it helps, at least for on/off toggles I make my "default" values always be nil/false |
| 12:15.13 | Tekkub | so if it's not initialized it just works on defaults |
| 12:15.15 | [MoonWolf] | when you have pt/mendy every problem becomes something that can done using pt/mendy type addon. |
| 12:15.32 | Tekkub | :P moon |
| 12:15.57 | Tekkub | I just havn't found a means of handling locales that I like yet moon |
| 12:19.52 | id` | Heh finally some OO monkeys hit the Ace forum |
| 12:19.56 | id` | i was waiting for that. |
| 12:20.10 | id` | (gix and synap) |
| 12:20.15 | [MoonWolf] | aha |
| 12:20.22 | [MoonWolf] | let them wait for ace2 |
| 12:20.30 | id` | or help ;) |
| 12:20.41 | [MoonWolf] | or help |
| 12:20.44 | [MoonWolf] | that works too. |
| 12:21.04 | id` | Wich gives me (us?) a chance to learn more. |
| 12:21.09 | id` | ( id`) i was waiting for that. |
| 12:21.11 | id` | :-) |
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| 12:23.26 | [MoonWolf] | Tekkub, neither have I |
| 12:24.10 | [MoonWolf] | now use the default loading code for english and overwrite the known locales for whatever localisation this wow is. |
| 12:24.26 | [MoonWolf] | at least |
| 12:24.29 | [MoonWolf] | that was the idea |
| 12:25.28 | Tekkub | yea but that churns up garbage strings for the ones that get replaced |
| 12:26.01 | id` | http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php/topic,1319.30.html |
| 12:26.04 | Tekkub | which isn't a big deal unless you got a big ass locale table |
| 12:26.16 | Tekkub | anywho teevee tiem! |
| 12:26.26 | id` | liek woa! |
| 12:34.03 | [MoonWolf] | Tekkub, those will be gone next gc anyway |
| 12:47.06 | otravi | Where can I find a list over the spell icons in Wow? |
| 12:47.22 | otravi | I had one, but lost my bookmark :( |
| 12:48.21 | [MoonWolf] | no idea |
| 12:48.37 | [MoonWolf] | never do anything with spell icons or textures for buffs |
| 13:24.10 | Tain | Wow, first time I've seen it in the "wild." A torrent for supposedly a WoW private server. |
| 13:24.50 | [MoonWolf] | some people are going to be less then happy over that |
| 13:24.58 | [MoonWolf] | and I am not talking about blizzard. |
| 13:25.54 | Tekkub | !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 13:25.59 | [MoonWolf] | ? |
| 13:26.02 | Tekkub | * Added Lua collectgarbage() function. |
| 13:26.09 | [MoonWolf] | what ? |
| 13:26.12 | [MoonWolf] | WHERE ? |
| 13:26.23 | Tekkub | Upcoming 1.10.1 changes: |
| 13:27.25 | Tekkub | and the text on buttons crap is getting fixed in 1.10.2 |
| 13:28.23 | [MoonWolf] | I never read that in the notes.... |
| 13:28.30 | Tekkub | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=286547&p=1&tmp=1 |
| 13:28.34 | Tekkub | post 2 |
| 13:29.27 | [MoonWolf] | wheeee |
| 13:29.43 | [MoonWolf] | now people dont start calling that like crazy in all your addons |
| 13:29.59 | [MoonWolf] | or your UI will be to busy collecting garbage to actually do something. |
| 13:31.16 | Tekkub | kek |
| 13:31.22 | Tekkub | for testing, useful |
| 13:31.25 | Tain | Of course people are going to call it all over the place. |
| 13:31.30 | [MoonWolf] | yep |
| 13:31.32 | Tain | It's going to be a supreme pain in the ass. |
| 13:31.38 | Tekkub | I had to force GC when testing the secrondary cache in Compost |
| 13:31.47 | Tain | Yeah it is great for testing. |
| 13:32.01 | [MoonWolf] | I think ill create an addon that hooks it and breaks the chain. |
| 13:32.03 | Tain | But I easily forsee having to hook the function to skip it with some people. |
| 13:32.04 | Tekkub | local mem = gcinfo() repeat local x = {} until mem > gcinfo() |
| 13:32.06 | Tain | haha yeah |
| 13:32.08 | Tekkub | not purdy |
| 13:32.40 | Tekkub | bedtime |
| 13:32.54 | [MoonWolf] | night |
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| 14:09.20 | otravi | http://www.tg06.gathering.org/tg06/schedule/view?eventId=52 << look what I have been convinced into :o |
| 14:12.17 | Tain | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:19.50 | groll | anyone with posting acces on the us forum?` |
| 14:24.04 | otravi | Tain: the scene is removed more and more every year =\ |
| 14:25.47 | groll | yay Cairenn u got posting access on the us forum ;P |
| 14:25.50 | Cairenn | morning guys |
| 14:25.52 | Cairenn | yes, I do |
| 14:26.02 | groll | would you do me a tiny itsy bitsy favour? ;P |
| 14:26.03 | Cairenn | what do you need groll? |
| 14:26.28 | groll | i need a repost of my post on the us forum :D only got crappy eu acccess :P |
| 14:26.43 | Cairenn | gimme link so I can copy paste |
| 14:26.47 | groll | okies :D |
| 14:28.02 | groll | Cairenn http://wow.pastebin.com/655657 shaman forum please :) |
| 14:31.44 | Cairenn | groll: thread title? |
| 14:32.07 | groll | same as the top sentence :) rethinking bla bla :) |
| 14:32.12 | Cairenn | k |
| 14:32.20 | groll | and thanks a bunch :) |
| 14:32.32 | Cairenn | welcome |
| 14:32.44 | Cairenn | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?ForumName=wow-shaman&ThreadID=498041 |
| 14:33.59 | groll | thanks :D |
| 14:34.04 | id` | sigh... wish i didnt cancel my wow subscription |
| 14:34.13 | id` | i threw away all my items |
| 14:34.20 | id` | gave my money away ins tarting area |
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| 15:01.22 | [Ammo] | id': like woa? |
| 15:01.31 | [Ammo] | saw my screenshot? |
| 15:01.44 | [Ammo] | all graphics are 'borrowed' from the original necrosis |
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| 15:57.34 | [Ammo] | need cladhaire in here |
| 15:57.34 | [Ammo] | to fix the SVN |
| 15:59.15 | id` | [Ammo]: but I don't know what necrosis is, and I'm evaluating your addon. I'm not saying its a bad addon but looking at a forum with only text and nothing more is not what I'm used to (curse/wowi/etc). |
| 15:59.16 | id` | Mr joe addon user ---^ |
| 15:59.16 | [Ammo] | hehe |
| 15:59.16 | [Ammo] | I just found this flash, if you know the dkp nazi you'll like this: http://ianknauer.com/Onyxia%20Wipe.swf |
| 15:59.16 | [Ammo] | you need suond |
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| 16:12.22 | [Ammo] | id' necronomicon is like ShardAce but with timers, and another look |
| 16:12.22 | [Ammo] | also totally different code |
| 16:12.22 | [Ammo] | it's also tailored to warlocks, and warlocks usually know their addons :) |
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| 16:34.44 | id` | [Ammo]: [Ammo] Why not see documenting as 'part of the job'? It's a good practise end very handy for the users. It will grow the wiki too. |
| 16:34.45 | id` | if only all addons in the ace forum had a link to the wiki for that addon, where all documentation about how it looks and works was |
| 16:34.45 | id` | it'd be really easy :P |
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| 16:34.51 | Mikma | yello all :) |
| 16:34.54 | id` | hi |
| 16:34.55 | Mikma | finally noticed the post about irc-channel |
| 16:34.55 | Tain | Documentation is a pain in the ass. |
| 16:34.55 | Tain | It's also incredibly vital. |
| 16:34.56 | Mikma | yeah, true |
| 16:35.07 | Mikma | ie. managing a ui-compilation's readme is a bitch :P don't wanna do it anymore that's why i upload mine to net without readme hehe |
| 16:43.33 | Ratbert_CP | Dang it! |
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| 16:53.51 | *** topic/#wowace is wowace.com | ace.pastebin.com | THE_TRUTH is out there |
| 16:54.36 | Ratbert_CP | ~wedgie clad|sleep |
| 16:54.38 | purl | ACTION hangs clad|sleep from the flag pole by his underwear |
| 16:54.44 | Ratbert_CP | Stoopid purl... |
| 16:54.54 | Ratbert_CP | Oh... lag... |
| 17:11.22 | Tain | Yay new camera flash is here. |
| 17:22.55 | Mikma | hmm nice, got a huge bunch of addons loaded and uimem is something like 21mb |
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| 17:53.36 | otravi | Tekkub: My guild just dumped CT_RABossMods :p |
| 17:54.19 | banditron | wewt |
| 17:54.25 | Mikma | good choise ;) i did that too and will block every message they will send with /rs |
| 17:54.59 | Mikma | choice* |
| 17:56.28 | Wobin_ | Yay! |
| 17:56.32 | otravi | hehe |
| 17:56.34 | Wobin_ | Devout skirt dropped! |
| 17:56.48 | Wobin_ | Best baron group ever |
| 17:57.00 | Wobin_ | hm, mage, pally, rogue, warrior and priest |
| 17:57.17 | otravi | We usually do: druid, warrior, shaman |
| 17:57.25 | Wobin_ | pretty much wiped everything out quite quickly |
| 17:57.36 | Wobin_ | pally is good cause of all the undead |
| 17:57.48 | Wobin_ | and if the priest is fast on the shackle, it makes things much easier =P |
| 17:58.35 | otravi | try scarlet with no priest |
| 17:58.49 | otravi | (and pally if they can remove the sleep/fear or mind control) |
| 18:01.45 | Eraphine|Lab | ckknight I'm getting a metrognome error in fubar 9.99.335 |
| 18:01.54 | Eraphine|Lab | it went away after I installed metrognome |
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| 18:03.12 | ckknight | ... |
| 18:03.14 | ckknight | odd |
| 18:03.48 | otravi | Installed metro? isn't it embeded :o |
| 18:04.07 | ckknight | that shouldn't be, it's already embedded in FuBar |
| 18:04.20 | otravi | embedded* |
| 18:04.22 | ckknight | Eraphine|Lab, is Metrognome.lua in the FuBar folder, and is it in the .toc? |
| 18:04.34 | otravi | maybe he just did a /rl |
| 18:04.40 | ckknight | oh |
| 18:04.46 | ckknight | possible |
| 18:04.48 | Wobin_ | otravi: I am the priest =) So I won't be trying scarlet without one |
| 18:04.53 | otravi | since it doesn't reload the .toc, and new files |
| 18:04.58 | otravi | Wobin_: hehe |
| 18:12.41 | Wobin_ | hm, I recall trying it with a warrior, pally, a mage and a lock and it seemed much harder |
| 18:12.50 | Wobin_ | that rogue really did add a lot |
| 18:13.07 | otravi | combat I guess? |
| 18:13.22 | Wobin_ | a quarter of the damage dealt |
| 18:13.26 | Wobin_ | mage did 30% |
| 18:13.37 | otravi | since a blue geared combat rogue can out dps a epic geared dagger rouge in those instances :p |
| 18:13.48 | Mikma | hmm somehow my uimem usage jumped from 21 to 25 after Vael fight in bwl |
| 18:13.48 | Wobin_ | pally about 23 |
| 18:13.57 | Wobin_ | warrior about 15 (but he was level 57) |
| 18:14.48 | kergoth` | ckknight: i had the nil error about metrognome when i loaded up current fubar last night |
| 18:14.56 | kergoth` | didnt look into it any further though |
| 18:15.20 | Ratbert_CP | WTF!?! |
| 18:15.55 | Ratbert_CP | I lost a bunch of chat commands... /vz, /bs, etc. |
| 18:16.32 | Ratbert_CP | And BagBoyFu isn't working (neither is DurabilityFu or MoneyFu, amongothers) |
| 18:16.44 | Ratbert_CP | My visor setup is *gone* |
| 18:16.53 | Ratbert_CP | And BagBoy itself is wonky... |
| 18:16.59 | Wobin_ | er? |
| 18:17.05 | Wobin_ | set load outdated addons? |
| 18:17.31 | Ratbert_CP | They all load. That's not it. I think my SV may have gotten hosed... |
| 18:19.21 | kergoth` | anyone know if kael had any luck/opinions from his playing with that object code of mine? |
| 18:20.58 | ckknight | kergoth, did you restart WoW? |
| 18:21.04 | ckknight | cause the TOC changed |
| 18:21.28 | Eraphine|Lab | no it's not cknight |
| 18:21.37 | Eraphine|Lab | sorry - answering earlier questio |
| 18:21.43 | ckknight | what question? |
| 18:22.18 | Eraphine|Lab | nevermind |
| 18:22.18 | ckknight | okay, I just downloaded the version you said from WoWI, it's in the folder |
| 18:22.22 | Eraphine|Lab | yeah I see it now |
| 18:22.28 | Eraphine|Lab | no idea why I got the error then. |
| 18:22.36 | ckknight | did you not restart WoW after updating? |
| 18:22.44 | Eraphine|Lab | I didn't - that's why |
| 18:23.20 | Eraphine|Lab | I forgot that changes in .toc don't update on reload |
| 18:23.22 | ckknight | figured |
| 18:24.13 | Eraphine|Lab | hrm... |
| 18:24.21 | Mikma | i wonder, now the memoryusage jumped from 23 to 21 |
| 18:24.43 | Eraphine|Lab | cknight does each instance of an embedded library take up room? |
| 18:25.16 | kergoth` | eraph, theres only one instance for each major version, generally |
| 18:25.17 | kergoth` | the stub ensures that |
| 18:25.41 | kergoth` | so last night i finally dropped tipbuddy in favor of aftt_extreme. gods, that saved megs of ram :) |
| 18:25.50 | kergoth` | havent been below 30 on login in ages |
| 18:25.50 | Ratbert_CP | It's like Ace is dead... |
| 18:25.56 | Ratbert_CP | WTF! |
| 18:25.59 | Eraphine|Lab | nod, but let's say you have a copy of the library loaded in each of your addons, does each copy of the .lua take some room ? |
| 18:26.08 | kergoth` | ? |
| 18:26.10 | Eraphine|Lab | in the uimem space I mean. |
| 18:26.11 | Tain | I'm not sure if I can install an addon that has "extreme" in the name. |
| 18:26.50 | kergoth` | you dont have a copy of the library loaded in each addon. the library is local, registered with the stub. itll be gc'd after parsing if it didnt end up being used |
| 18:27.35 | kergoth` | Tain: nod, but aftooltip was decent last time i tried it, and this enhanced it to Suck Less(tm), seemingly |
| 18:27.44 | kergoth` | hmm |
| 18:28.39 | Eraphine|Lab | so, in the .toc of bosspanel, he has metrognome.lua in there |
| 18:28.48 | ckknight | right |
| 18:29.01 | Mikma | aftt_extreme... i tried to mod that last night, only managed to broke it more than improve |
| 18:30.02 | Ratbert_CP | OK, Ace is loaded... But there are *no* chat commands!?! |
| 18:30.10 | Eraphine|Lab | if I have metrognome loaded by itself (as an addon) would it be worth it to manually erase the metrognome.lua from the fubar directory every time? |
| 18:30.13 | Mikma | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:30.22 | Eraphine|Lab | by worth I mean, would it make any difference at all? |
| 18:30.38 | kergoth` | no, the whole point of embedded libraries is to make taht unncessary |
| 18:30.54 | Mikma | btw, Quutar stopped Decursive's development |
| 18:30.58 | Eraphine|Lab | also, I was under the false assumption that each .lua loaded in a .toc uses memory |
| 18:31.07 | Eraphine|Lab | I mean..so, not also |
| 18:31.09 | Ratbert_CP | Typing /ace gives me "Type '/help' for a..." |
| 18:31.12 | Mikma | i myself downgraded into 1.2.7b.. had issues with 1.9.x |
| 18:31.16 | kergoth` | remember that lua is not declarative, its imperative, executed line by line |
| 18:31.36 | kergoth` | wow loads it, which compiles it into a binary object in ram, then executes that, and that then gets freed/gc'd |
| 18:31.43 | Ratbert_CP | But /script Ace.cmd:msg("Foo") works... |
| 18:33.21 | otravi | Ratbert_CP: what have you done! |
| 18:33.47 | Ratbert_CP | I wish I knew... |
| 18:33.58 | Ratbert_CP | No status messages from Ace on loadup... |
| 18:34.29 | Ratbert_CP | Damn, damn, damn, damn... |
| 18:34.34 | Mikma | interesting, doublecheck the ace-folder that it has files in it :) |
| 18:35.25 | Ratbert_CP | Oh, I can do things like /script ace.cmd:msg("Foo"), and I get "Ace: Foo" |
| 18:35.31 | Ratbert_CP | So it's there... |
| 18:35.43 | Ratbert_CP | But otherwise, I gots nothin' |
| 18:35.51 | Mikma | where did you get the ace you have |
| 18:35.58 | Ratbert_CP | svn |
| 18:36.23 | Mikma | well that might explain it. |
| 18:37.23 | Ratbert_CP | Yep. That did it. |
| 18:37.28 | Ratbert_CP | Stoopid svn... |
| 18:37.29 | Ratbert_CP | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:37.32 | Mikma | might be that the svn version is lacking slashcommand |
| 18:37.32 | Mikma | http://www.wowace.com/downloads/Ace-1.3.zip |
| 18:37.56 | kergoth` | ehh, were you actually trying to use the svn _trunk_? |
| 18:38.03 | kergoth` | trunk is active development, likely regularly broken |
| 18:38.17 | kergoth` | if you want to use svn, use a specific tag or branch |
| 18:38.31 | kergoth` | general policy with svn in general, there are never any guarantees with the trunk. |
| 18:38.38 | kergoth` | s/svn/scm repositories/ |
| 18:39.06 | ckknight | is there any way to change the color scheme for TeamSpeak? |
| 18:40.27 | Mikma | too bad that aftt_extreme doesn't work properly with monkeyquest atm :P |
| 18:42.12 | otravi | and it doesn't show civilianzes |
| 18:42.17 | otravi | or it didn't at least |
| 18:42.28 | Mikma | hmm that's true |
| 18:42.49 | Mikma | http://ui.worldofwar.net/ui.php?id=2416 |
| 18:42.51 | Mikma | 0.3 released |
| 18:43.08 | Mikma | 0.3 Added Zone info to players in your Group |
| 18:43.13 | otravi | oh, zomeone has picked it up |
| 18:43.16 | Mikma | yeah |
| 18:43.22 | otravi | s/z/s/ |
| 18:44.29 | otravi | I still like AF_Tooltip mini |
| 18:44.47 | Mikma | i also made a post on addon request, but it got knocked down |
| 18:46.20 | kergoth` | aftt_extreme also doesnt position tooltips other than gametooltip. i'd like to yank aftt_extreme's tooltip positioning code completely and let tipster manage that, just using aftt for the mouseover tooltips on units |
| 18:46.28 | Ratbert_CP | ckknight: Beautiful work on the detachable tooltips! Bravo! |
| 18:46.32 | kergoth` | atl east, it doesnt position a lot of them, havent looked at the code |
| 18:47.10 | ckknight | Ratbert_CP, thank you |
| 18:47.11 | Mikma | it still doesn't |
| 18:47.43 | Mikma | that's the problem about it, mouseovering ie. talent nr1 will result the tooltip going over the screen |
| 18:47.59 | Wobin_ | detatchable tooltip... |
| 18:48.07 | kergoth` | tipster is nice cause you can add any arbitrary tooltip to its list of tooltips to manage |
| 18:48.12 | Wobin_ | I hearken back to that rather tasteless song back in the 80s |
| 18:48.23 | Ratbert_CP | I am having one trouble with the FuBar tooltip. The *first* time I mouse-over, I have double data. |
| 18:48.36 | ckknight | double data? |
| 18:48.38 | Mikma | aftt_extreme uses 2 tooltopis, GameTooltip and aftt_tooltipFrame, and they both need to be positioned |
| 18:48.53 | Ratbert_CP | Two sets of lines in each category. |
| 18:48.57 | Ratbert_CP | Identical |
| 18:49.03 | ckknight | hrm |
| 18:49.08 | Mikma | i tried to code a simple fadeout for the tooltip for 3 hours last night but got it only bugged :D |
| 18:50.34 | Elviso | Wobin_: Is it sad that I know which song you're referring to? |
| 18:51.25 | Ratbert_CP | Unless it's my app... |
| 18:51.27 | Ratbert_CP | Elviso: It's even sadder that I do, too... |
| 18:51.36 | Eraphine|Lab | you're all sick |
| 18:51.54 | Ratbert_CP | Eraphine|Lab: Tooltip envy? ;^) |
| 18:54.06 | Mikma | soon i can see how bigwigs manages Firemaw :) |
| 18:58.18 | Tem | kergoth: you around? |
| 18:58.56 | ckknight | okay, just fixed some detached tooltip bugs |
| 18:58.58 | ckknight | committed to svn |
| 18:59.34 | *** join/#wowace Shyva (n=n0time@sd511586e.adsl.wanadoo.nl) |
| 19:00.18 | *** join/#wowace Codayus (i=cody@l0gical.net) |
| 19:01.35 | Mikma | ckknight: i'm sorry for being a noob, but what addon? :) |
| 19:02.09 | ckknight | FuBar |
| 19:02.30 | Mikma | oh ok. how's the memory usage on that one? |
| 19:02.43 | ckknight | chipper |
| 19:02.59 | Mikma | kb? mb? :) |
| 19:04.20 | ckknight | 0 KiB/s when idle, if that's what you're asking |
| 19:05.35 | Mikma | yeah... :) |
| 19:06.30 | Mikma | tried titan once but then i installed uimem addon.. yeah didn't take long for me to delete it |
| 19:07.08 | hyperChipmunk | id |
| 19:07.15 | ckknight | I made FuBar originally cause I didn't like the memory usage |
| 19:07.17 | ckknight | hey hyperChipmunk |
| 19:07.21 | hyperChipmunk | eyo |
| 19:07.34 | hyperChipmunk | are we fubared yet? |
| 19:07.52 | ckknight | this whole operation is fubar, soldier |
| 19:07.52 | otravi | Mikma: maximum UI mem isn't everything |
| 19:08.09 | ckknight | yea, you want minimal memory increase |
| 19:08.19 | ckknight | thus, less GC's, which means less lag spikes |
| 19:08.23 | otravi | I also have 0KB/s memory increase :D |
| 19:08.34 | otravi | but then again I have like 13MB of UIMem used also |
| 19:08.48 | Mikma | i seem to have 21-25, depending on the moment |
| 19:09.53 | Mikma | MiniGroup2 might take some memory and and increase the KB/s |
| 19:11.03 | Mikma | oRA + MG2Raid has larger KB/s than CTRaidAssist, which was sad. that's the reason i don't use mg2raid at all. now i use blizz's default frames and everything seems to be ok |
| 19:11.27 | otravi | I saw some post about EasyRaid in the oRA thread |
| 19:11.52 | Mikma | yeah that's what i'm using after the post about it |
| 19:13.05 | Mikma | i also made a post about easyraid in curse, because the frames will jump around when there's buff/debuff on some group |
| 19:13.09 | otravi | I use XRaid + oRA myself, but I'll switch as soon PerfectRaid is usable :) |
| 19:14.57 | Mikma | is there any addons to watch other addons how they use the memory while playing? |
| 19:15.04 | ckknight | hey, what's the easiest way to tell if someone is cursed? |
| 19:15.13 | ckknight | and to tell what kind of curse? (Magic, Disease, Curse) |
| 19:15.41 | ckknight | Mikma, you can't watch individual addons, you can watch the overall picture, though |
| 19:16.15 | Mikma | umf then i have 64 addons to watch :D |
| 19:18.48 | otravi | I have 58, which 46 are aced |
| 19:19.54 | otravi | make that number like... four less |
| 19:19.55 | Mikma | hmmm for some reason BigWigs ZG bosses aren't on standby in BWL |
| 19:20.07 | otravi | I have some addons named: blargh :p |
| 19:21.27 | Mikma | something's using up the memory fast in combat |
| 19:21.36 | Ratbert_CP | Dang! Anyone who's successfully using svn.wowace.com available to help me out? |
| 19:23.29 | Mikma | this is funny, BigWigsJeklik, BigWigsMarli, BigWigsVenoxis aren't on standby, and i'm near Firemaw :) |
| 19:25.47 | Tem | ~poke clad|sleep |
| 19:25.48 | purl | ACTION grabs a syringe |
| 19:26.01 | Mikma | found the reason, the 3 bosses are missing: zonename = "ZG", |
| 19:26.02 | Tem | you're not sleeping and I know it cladhaire |
| 19:26.04 | Tem | stop hiding |
| 19:29.45 | Mikma | Shyva: can't pm you back, not registered user :( |
| 19:29.53 | Shyva | oh, lol :P |
| 19:30.07 | Shyva | gogo register? |
| 19:30.40 | Mikma | yeah propably have to since i found out you guys are in here so i don't have to post everything to forums |
| 19:30.41 | ckknight | well, does anyone else know how to tell if someone has a dispellable buff, and what kind it is? |
| 19:30.53 | ckknight | debuff* |
| 19:30.59 | otravi | Mikma: do you use AceUnitFrames? |
| 19:31.12 | Mikma | otravi: mg2 |
| 19:31.23 | otravi | Mikma: then I don't have a suggestion about what's eating memory :p |
| 19:32.16 | Mikma | on idle it's not bad, like 1KB/s, but in fight it's 10x - 20x more |
| 19:33.34 | otravi | Mikma: well, standard AUF without the little mod = 180KB/s when in combat, and your target has a target :p |
| 19:33.36 | Wobin_ | Shyva: /msg nickserv register <password> |
| 19:33.41 | Wobin_ | I think |
| 19:33.49 | Mikma | Wobin_: yeah, it was :) |
| 19:34.15 | Mikma | otravi: well mg2 has ABF-mod built in + ToT-frame |
| 19:34.18 | Shyva | I'm regged already :P Mikma wasn't |
| 19:34.27 | otravi | Mikma: I don't use ABF, I use my own version :) |
| 19:35.26 | Shyva | btw, otravi, you tried those AQ boss mods, didn't you? |
| 19:35.41 | otravi | Shyva: just killed Sartura |
| 19:35.58 | Shyva | did the sartura timex bar work? |
| 19:35.59 | otravi | if I remember right everything is fine, up to Huhuran |
| 19:36.00 | Wobin_ | ah, misinterpreted =) |
| 19:36.08 | otravi | Shyva: Didn't see any, but I'm a healer |
| 19:36.11 | otravi | not always in range |
| 19:36.41 | otravi | I know that Huhuran spams tho' :p |
| 19:36.42 | Shyva | healer here too.. those aq bossmods are really bugged I think :-S |
| 19:36.54 | otravi | That might be |
| 19:37.00 | otravi | I haven't looked much into it |
| 19:37.07 | otravi | just see it reporting when I'm in range |
| 19:37.11 | otravi | which is rarly :p |
| 19:37.17 | Shyva | yeah, I think about making my own AQ boss mods.. don't really like the current... especialy huhuran is very annoying |
| 19:37.47 | Mikma | otravi: you were right! ToT window :) |
| 19:38.09 | otravi | Mikma: hehe, how often does MG2 update? |
| 19:38.19 | otravi | default on AUF is .02 sec :SSS |
| 19:38.25 | Mikma | 0.2 if i remember correctly |
| 19:38.30 | otravi | I cried when I saw it |
| 19:40.39 | Mikma | i'll have to check the code that does the ToT frame has same update than other frames have |
| 19:48.29 | Mikma | wow.. casting resurrection will boost the memory usage |
| 19:49.43 | Mikma | might be the target-window too which causes it |
| 19:53.03 | Eraphine|Lab | anyone look at this post ? http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?FN=wow-realm-argentdawn&T=253872&P=1 |
| 19:53.13 | hyperChipmunk | boss, I hate to say this... |
| 19:53.34 | hyperChipmunk | yes, we've all seen it |
| 19:53.39 | Mikma | Eraphine|Lab: http://ui.worldofwar.net/ui.php?id=2419 |
| 19:54.31 | Eraphine|Lab | hey wow |
| 19:55.32 | Eraphine|Lab | lol I was gonna say, yeah I know about this http://www.curse-gaming.com/mod.php?addid=3775 |
| 19:55.39 | Eraphine|Lab | but the addon you posted is better |
| 19:55.56 | Eraphine|Lab | what does it do? hook all those events and unhook them when zoning is finished? |
| 19:56.21 | Mikma | yeah i think so |
| 19:56.36 | Mikma | haven't spended any time to looking the code, but seems to work like a charm |
| 19:56.56 | Mikma | got 5s zoning times in and out to BWL with this 1.2GHz PowerPC |
| 19:57.14 | hyperChipmunk | it also smugly remarks on how many events actually tried to fire and how many were necessary |
| 19:58.35 | Mikma | i got like 100/12000 :? |
| 19:59.53 | Ratbert_CP | ~nudge clad|sleep |
| 20:00.12 | hyperChipmunk | 221/87500 for stormwind<->stockades just now |
| 20:00.30 | Mikma | 87500? omg |
| 20:00.40 | Mikma | i thought mine 12000 was much |
| 20:01.20 | hyperChipmunk | wonder if he included a way to break down how many each addon is responsible for |
| 20:01.25 | Mikma | oh god how i miss tooltip anchoring |
| 20:01.41 | Eraphine|Lab | well... |
| 20:02.18 | Eraphine|Lab | if he hooks the event... |
| 20:02.20 | Tem | NO! |
| 20:02.25 | Tem | Those addons are BAD |
| 20:02.29 | Tem | poorly written |
| 20:02.32 | Tem | poorly designed |
| 20:02.34 | Tem | BADNESS |
| 20:02.40 | hyperChipmunk | ? |
| 20:02.43 | Eraphine|Lab | I knew Tem was about to jump in. |
| 20:02.48 | Eraphine|Lab | It's really bad hooking. |
| 20:02.52 | Ratbert_CP | ~bait Tem |
| 20:02.54 | Tem | it's fucking terrible hooking |
| 20:02.59 | Mikma | tem has a point. if that breaks an addon then there's something wrong with the addon breaking :) |
| 20:03.24 | Ratbert_CP | ~bait clad|sleep |
| 20:03.27 | Ratbert_CP | :) |
| 20:03.44 | hyperChipmunk | which mod is he referring to? the zone-events ones or ones that rely on tooltip anchoring? |
| 20:03.52 | Tem | in addition, it uses a memory bloating way of "finding" every frame |
| 20:04.14 | Eraphine|Lab | are we talking about nystzonefix? |
| 20:04.17 | Tem | yes |
| 20:04.26 | Tem | he recursively loops down the children of UIParent |
| 20:04.39 | Eraphine|Lab | So this addon http://www.curse-gaming.com/mod.php?addid=3775 is better |
| 20:04.43 | Eraphine|Lab | if not incomplete |
| 20:04.56 | hyperChipmunk | eh, it does its job from a debugging standpoint |
| 20:05.19 | hyperChipmunk | so unless you have something better... >8p |
| 20:05.26 | Tem | oh god |
| 20:05.36 | Tem | that one is even stranger |
| 20:05.45 | hyperChipmunk | yea, that's the current alternative |
| 20:05.53 | hyperChipmunk | so pick your poison |
| 20:05.56 | Mikma | well what's good then? |
| 20:05.57 | Tem | I better write something |
| 20:06.09 | Tem | these are unacceptable |
| 20:06.14 | hyperChipmunk | hehe |
| 20:06.16 | Mikma | ntmysFixLoadingTimes works like a charm on my comp |
| 20:06.22 | hyperChipmunk | they are, which is why I don't leave 'em on |
| 20:06.31 | Mikma | 1.8s zoning in to SM GraveYard was neat |
| 20:06.32 | hyperChipmunk | but they're good diagonistics |
| 20:07.10 | Tem | the only thing I'm wondering is, how much of a performance hit would be incured by looping through all frames at any given time |
| 20:07.15 | Ratbert_CP | Umm... Recode the addons to use SpecialEvents (which Tekkub has had ignoring peri-zone events for some time)? |
| 20:07.54 | hyperChipmunk | yes, let me rewrite all my mods |
| 20:07.59 | hyperChipmunk | gimme a moment |
| 20:08.18 | Ratbert_CP | :) |
| 20:08.50 | hyperChipmunk | ok whew! |
| 20:09.11 | Ratbert_CP | Should be some simple search/replace... |
| 20:09.12 | Ratbert_CP | :) |
| 20:09.50 | hyperChipmunk | SHOULD be |
| 20:10.21 | hyperChipmunk | backing up my interface directory now |
| 20:10.32 | hyperChipmunk | we shall test this theory of yours /smirk |
| 20:12.44 | ckknight | hyperChipmunk, what do you hate to say? |
| 20:12.49 | hyperChipmunk | oh, there you are |
| 20:12.56 | hyperChipmunk | everything freaking works, dude |
| 20:13.09 | hyperChipmunk | seriously wtf |
| 20:13.20 | ckknight | lol |
| 20:13.30 | ckknight | did you update to the latest svn? |
| 20:13.33 | hyperChipmunk | yes |
| 20:13.36 | ckknight | I fixed some tooltip issues |
| 20:13.42 | ckknight | okay |
| 20:13.49 | ckknight | hehe |
| 20:13.51 | ckknight | yep, it's shiny |
| 20:14.20 | ckknight | in programming, you typically are going to have a lot of test cases |
| 20:14.21 | otravi | hyperChipmunk: there has to be something broken? |
| 20:14.36 | ckknight | you know what happens after all the tast cases go green? |
| 20:14.41 | ckknight | err, what it means |
| 20:14.51 | hyperChipmunk | there must be, but I'm not finding them |
| 20:14.58 | hyperChipmunk | and they usually love me |
| 20:15.11 | hyperChipmunk | I feel unwanted |
| 20:15.13 | otravi | You never know what a user is able to do |
| 20:15.33 | hyperChipmunk | we'll see; I haven't been in a BG yet |
| 20:15.33 | ckknight | it means that you need to write more test cases |
| 20:15.38 | *** join/#wowace [MoonWolf] (n=moonwolf@f176182.upc-f.chello.nl) |
| 20:15.39 | *** mode/#wowace [+o [MoonWolf]] by ChanServ |
| 20:15.43 | hyperChipmunk | hehe |
| 20:16.00 | hyperChipmunk | my addon touches most of the api in one fashion or another |
| 20:16.10 | hyperChipmunk | and i know it well |
| 20:16.12 | Tem | okie threw together a quick hack |
| 20:16.21 | Tem | testing now |
| 20:16.23 | hyperChipmunk | so we'll see what happens when I get in a bg |
| 20:17.16 | hyperChipmunk | I predict my house falls down |
| 20:17.31 | Ratbert_CP | ~kick clad|sleep |
| 20:17.33 | purl | bugger off sod! |
| 20:17.46 | Ratbert_CP | Whups... Forgot the ICR meaning of kick... |
| 20:17.51 | Ratbert_CP | ~sorry |
| 20:17.53 | purl | ACTION appologizes profusely to everyone, points at the spammers, and says: "IT'S THEIR FAULT, I DIDN'T WANNA DO IT!!!" |
| 20:17.54 | hyperChipmunk | hehehe |
| 20:18.44 | Ratbert_CP | ~flail clad|sleep |
| 20:19.02 | Ratbert_CP | ~defenestrate clad|sleep |
| 20:19.03 | purl | ACTION uses an oversized sling shot to launch clad|sleep out the nearest window |
| 20:22.15 | otravi | still doesn't? |
| 20:24.42 | Tem | oh wow |
| 20:24.58 | Tem | my quick hack improves my zone time from 18 seconds to 2 |
| 20:25.15 | [MoonWolf] | what did you do |
| 20:25.27 | Mikma | he cheated |
| 20:25.34 | Mikma | removed 1 infront of 2 ;) |
| 20:25.36 | Tem | lemme commit it |
| 20:26.48 | kergoth` | ugh. food coma. |
| 20:27.05 | Tem | http://svn.wowace.com/Tem/trunk/Catalyst |
| 20:27.35 | [MoonWolf] | ah |
| 20:27.40 | [MoonWolf] | you break the hook chain |
| 20:27.57 | [MoonWolf] | at leats its better then going through every frame and changing the settings there. |
| 20:28.22 | Tem | so technically, I guess I cheated |
| 20:28.32 | Tem | but it works |
| 20:28.37 | Tem | and it works well |
| 20:28.44 | hyperChipmunk | are you letting chat events through? |
| 20:28.56 | Tem | I'm letting anything that's not on the blacklist through |
| 20:29.02 | kergoth` | whats enumerateframes? a getfenv(0) iterator? |
| 20:29.04 | hyperChipmunk | oh, you went with a blacklist |
| 20:29.28 | Tem | kergoth: EnumerateFrames is an API iterator for frame objects |
| 20:29.33 | kergoth` | ah. |
| 20:30.08 | Tem | wow |
| 20:30.11 | Tem | 1 second zoning |
| 20:30.22 | Tem | that's fricken awesome |
| 20:30.47 | Tekkub | your blacklist should be a whole like 4 events |
| 20:30.50 | hyperChipmunk | rofl tem |
| 20:30.53 | hyperChipmunk | it is |
| 20:31.03 | hyperChipmunk | local blacklist = { UNIT_INVENTORY_CHANGED = true, BAG_UPDATE = true, ITEM_LOCK_CHANGED = true, ACTIONBAR_SLOT_CHANGED = true, |
| 20:31.08 | Tekkub | like BAG_UPDATE, ITEM_LOCK_CHANGED... |
| 20:31.09 | hyperChipmunk | } |
| 20:31.11 | Tem | } |
| 20:31.16 | Tekkub | yea you got em :) |
| 20:31.17 | hyperChipmunk | =) |
| 20:31.29 | Tem | yeah so... I'm actually impressed with this quick hack |
| 20:31.32 | Tem | I'm gonna release it |
| 20:31.37 | Mikma | please do so |
| 20:31.38 | Tekkub | your mod up on the SVN Tammy...er... Temmy |
| 20:31.43 | hyperChipmunk | it is |
| 20:31.52 | hyperChipmunk | plus he totally cheated |
| 20:31.53 | Tem | http://svn.wowace.com/Tem/Catalyst |
| 20:31.56 | Mikma | i wanna support the wowace community and use only the addons that come from there |
| 20:32.11 | Tem | Mikma: that's not what we're all about |
| 20:32.19 | Tekkub | Hey it's Milky! |
| 20:32.26 | hyperChipmunk | that's awfully restrictive mik =x |
| 20:32.28 | Mikma | Tekkub: yello :) |
| 20:32.43 | Tem | Mikma: in this case however, I will be completely big-headed and say that my addon kicks the competition's ass |
| 20:32.45 | Mikma | hyperChipmunk: i know but it's the only place i know people do know what they are doing |
| 20:33.12 | Tekkub | Milk: we don't wanna convert every damn mod out there, but if we see a nasty one we get this overwelming compulsion to fix it ^^ |
| 20:33.58 | Mikma | Tekkub: most of the addons i use have already been converted, and i don't think there's much more to see aced hehe |
| 20:34.26 | hyperChipmunk | I'm doing EngInv |
| 20:34.52 | hyperChipmunk | and I'm gonna do CombatSentryGizmo if I can't find anything better |
| 20:35.18 | Mikma | (psssst, aftt_extreme) ;) |
| 20:36.09 | Tekkub | CSG is a neat mod, if you like being on a PvP server |
| 20:36.15 | Tekkub | I don't so I don't use it |
| 20:36.16 | Shyva | Tem, I love Catalyst already :P |
| 20:36.23 | ckknight | what is Catalyst? |
| 20:36.30 | Tem | my quick hack |
| 20:36.34 | Tekkub | I think you forgot a /trunk/ the eTem |
| 20:36.36 | Mikma | i tried CSG out today. it's pretty useless in PvE servers fighting against mobs |
| 20:36.38 | hyperChipmunk | his events-on-zone |
| 20:36.44 | hyperChipmunk | hack |
| 20:36.53 | Tem | because looking at the alternatives I wanted to puke |
| 20:37.03 | hyperChipmunk | CSG has been a mainstay in my arsenal for a long time |
| 20:37.07 | Shyva | it works great, my zoning time improved with about 150% :-D |
| 20:37.10 | Mikma | took you 5mins to code or so :) |
| 20:37.23 | hyperChipmunk | I play on an RP server, but bg-pvp almost exclusively |
| 20:37.59 | Tem | oh lol, I fogot that I could just do an UnhookAll |
| 20:38.33 | ckknight | looks cool, Tem |
| 20:38.35 | ckknight | gonna install |
| 20:38.42 | Tem | hrm... |
| 20:39.02 | Tem | oh dear |
| 20:39.09 | Tem | I think I just found a bug in AceHooks |
| 20:39.13 | hyperChipmunk | lol |
| 20:39.25 | Tekkub | Gonna go test... I was at ~12-18 seconds Tram zone last night with Clad's new AceEvent |
| 20:39.40 | Tem | me too |
| 20:39.48 | Tem | I reduced to 1 sec at the tram |
| 20:40.14 | Mikma | Tem: down from what? |
| 20:40.21 | Tem | 14-18 |
| 20:40.34 | Mikma | :P~~ |
| 20:40.52 | hyperChipmunk | now we need something that does the same for the Authentication server |
| 20:41.10 | [MoonWolf] | if only |
| 20:41.15 | hyperChipmunk | =) |
| 20:41.49 | ckknight | lol |
| 20:41.57 | ckknight | my server crashed |
| 20:42.04 | hyperChipmunk | ah |
| 20:42.24 | hyperChipmunk | is that why it's so clogged, even though it's still midafternoon? |
| 20:42.48 | hyperChipmunk | you punks |
| 20:42.59 | Mikma | freaking blizzard didn't patch eu servers, i have to live with the stupid crashes for 1 week more |
| 20:43.28 | hyperChipmunk | what crash bugs did the patch fix? |
| 20:43.37 | hyperChipmunk | I only have new ones =x |
| 20:43.37 | Mikma | friend-list |
| 20:43.44 | Mikma | 3rd party graphics on addons |
| 20:44.06 | Mikma | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/patchnotes/patchnotes.html |
| 20:44.33 | hyperChipmunk | ohhh |
| 20:44.35 | hyperChipmunk | 1.10.1 |
| 20:44.37 | Mikma | pretty much everything that made my os x wow crash often |
| 20:44.50 | Tekkub | collectgarbage() !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 20:45.14 | kergoth` | curse you, food coma. curse you. |
| 20:45.17 | kergoth` | bleh |
| 20:45.20 | [MoonWolf] | I'm writing a mod to hook that and break it tomorrow. |
| 20:45.31 | Tekkub | hehe |
| 20:45.39 | [MoonWolf] | i will not have 50 addons randomly GC because they think its a good idea |
| 20:45.48 | [MoonWolf] | ill make a bosspanel plugin |
| 20:45.55 | [MoonWolf] | flashing if something wants to gc |
| 20:46.01 | ckknight | ? |
| 20:46.01 | [MoonWolf] | and if you click it it gc's |
| 20:46.12 | Tekkub | yea it should be disabled by default, and only enableable thru the blizzy panels, not via lua |
| 20:46.15 | ckknight | btw, [MoonWolf] , there's already a force GC thing in PerformanceFu |
| 20:46.25 | Tekkub | protect the enable function like the movement ones |
| 20:46.33 | kergoth` | [MoonWolf]: heh, you should be able to use pcall() to capture an error(foo, 2) to display the offender |
| 20:46.46 | [MoonWolf] | ckknight, blizzard is including a command to do a gc wihout all the hassle. |
| 20:46.55 | ckknight | I know |
| 20:46.55 | [MoonWolf] | pcall works ? |
| 20:47.04 | Tem | why bother with pcall |
| 20:47.04 | ckknight | and I'll switch PerformanceFu to use that when it comes out |
| 20:47.06 | Tem | debugstack |
| 20:47.15 | kergoth` | ah good point, i keep forgetting they added that |
| 20:47.29 | Mikma | Tem: did you add a timer into Catalyst so we know the zoning-times? |
| 20:47.35 | Tem | no |
| 20:47.35 | [MoonWolf] | ckknight, would you be willing to include the other functionality i talked about ? |
| 20:47.39 | Tem | I'm using Warmup for that |
| 20:47.51 | ckknight | to prevent rogue addons from collecting garbage? |
| 20:47.52 | ckknight | sure |
| 20:47.54 | Ratbert_CP | ~noogie clad|sleep |
| 20:47.56 | purl | ACTION puts clad|sleep into a headlock and administers a mighty noogie, rubbing half of clad|sleep's hair off! |
| 20:47.58 | [MoonWolf] | yeah |
| 20:48.21 | hyperChipmunk | i like the new frame:RegisterAllEvents() |
| 20:48.27 | kergoth` | welp, my rearchitected object model (yes, again) seems to be working well, concept wise |
| 20:48.31 | kergoth` | much easier to comprehend |
| 20:48.36 | ckknight | kergoth, link? |
| 20:48.37 | hyperChipmunk | =D |
| 20:48.43 | Tem | For Debugging purposes ONLY!!!1ZOMG!!one! |
| 20:48.48 | hyperChipmunk | =) |
| 20:48.49 | [MoonWolf] | hyperChipmunk, we should make an addon that registers all events for all frames |
| 20:48.53 | Mikma | have you seen this post on us-forums: |
| 20:48.53 | [MoonWolf] | call it systembog. |
| 20:48.55 | Mikma | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=333758&p=1&tmp=1#post333758 |
| 20:48.58 | hyperChipmunk | hehe |
| 20:49.16 | kergoth` | no link yet, but the basic idea .. you know how objects in my mdoel can have an init() method thats called when they're created (defined in the prototype) |
| 20:49.39 | kergoth` | i added the same for classes. if a class has an init(), then classes that derive from that one will get that called on them |
| 20:49.44 | ckknight | Mikma, because of that, slouken wrote MovePad |
| 20:49.47 | [MoonWolf] | like a constructor ? |
| 20:49.49 | kergoth` | so all the inheritence voodoo just becomes the Class:init() method |
| 20:50.40 | Mikma | ckknight: yeah, and there was a good reply to that.. i'll look it up |
| 20:50.40 | kergoth` | the object's init is like an object constructor in most languages... we're just going to have a constructor for creation of classes too:) |
| 20:50.40 | Mikma | " Not fair! He can sign his AddOns and use the blocked functions too! I want that too... " |
| 20:50.40 | kergoth` | simplifies the code greatly |
| 20:50.41 | [MoonWolf] | yeah |
| 20:50.50 | [MoonWolf] | i always missed a constructor in ace, best we had was enable. |
| 20:50.55 | kergoth` | if you looked at my object model before, it was hard to comprehend because there was a shitload of setmetatables and fucntion definitions all over the place |
| 20:51.00 | Tekkub | bah! My server's down so I can't test zone times |
| 20:51.56 | Tain | Don't look at is as being down, Tekkub. Look at it like a really, really long zone time. |
| 20:52.06 | [MoonWolf] | lol |
| 20:52.37 | Tekkub | not when the realm doesn't even exist.... |
| 20:52.54 | Tekkub | if it were the usual stealth login queue, sure :) |
| 20:53.02 | Mikma | Tekkub: warmup in ui.worldofwar.net: Mod not updated in 4 months so now archived |
| 20:53.14 | Tekkub | yea, so Milk? |
| 20:53.28 | Tekkub | WamUp's complete as far as I'm concerned |
| 20:53.44 | Tekkub | there's a minor update on the SVN but it's just formatting |
| 20:54.02 | Mikma | try updating it so it's not "archived" anymore :) |
| 20:54.03 | kergoth` | hey, can you sort the contents of the warmup frame, when you open it?, like have clickable title headers or something? |
| 20:54.11 | kergoth` | thats the only annoyance i havew ith it, searching for a specific addon in the list |
| 20:54.15 | kergoth` | when theres like 120 |
| 20:54.17 | kergoth` | hehe |
| 20:54.25 | Tekkub | *shrug* I don't care if it's "archived" |
| 20:54.27 | Tem | Tekkub: upload warmup to WoWI, I don't like going to other sites |
| 20:54.43 | Tekkub | the mod has not changed in months, I'm not gonna lie and say it's been updated :P |
| 20:54.48 | Mikma | ok then, just wanted to inform you, nothing else :) |
| 20:55.00 | hyperChipmunk | actually, warmup broked for me |
| 20:55.01 | id` | Tem: sorry im confusing you and tain all the time. |
| 20:55.06 | Tekkub | Tem: okeyfinethen, but you don't have to it's in the SVN |
| 20:55.10 | id` | Tem: did you make the stats thing i hosted for you? |
| 20:55.11 | hyperChipmunk | since I installed the svn version |
| 20:55.18 | Tekkub | howso chip? |
| 20:55.29 | Tem | id`: I didn't make that. I just made a change |
| 20:55.37 | id` | Tem: right k |
| 20:55.37 | hyperChipmunk | i'll tell you when I'm able to log in; I exited wow so I could install Tem's catalyst |
| 20:55.38 | id` | :) |
| 20:55.42 | hyperChipmunk | and now I'm borkified =( |
| 20:55.58 | hyperChipmunk | in conclusion: tem sux |
| 20:56.02 | Tekkub | oh, did tem break it or was it broke before? |
| 20:56.11 | Tem | I didn't touch |
| 20:56.13 | hyperChipmunk | nah, I can't get in the login server |
| 20:56.28 | hyperChipmunk | but tem wrote that spiffy catalyst and i had to leave the game to install it |
| 20:58.38 | ckknight | well, while my server is down, I'm gonna split up the recommended level stuff out of LocationFu |
| 20:58.46 | Mikma | us or eu servers? |
| 20:58.55 | ckknight | US |
| 20:59.24 | Mikma | yeah was wondering about that since i logout moment ago and got straight back in (eu) |
| 21:00.31 | ckknight | hey, what do I call my zone level thing? |
| 21:00.46 | ckknight | it tells you what instances are in what zones, and what level the zones/instances are |
| 21:00.57 | kergoth` | http://covenant.kergoth.com/projects/wow/wiki/Code/NewOOModel .. start of the description |
| 21:01.03 | Mikma | globetrotter xD |
| 21:01.16 | ckknight | that might be trademarked |
| 21:01.19 | hyperChipmunk | Tourist |
| 21:01.34 | Mikma | map to stars homes |
| 21:02.13 | Tem | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4827 |
| 21:02.17 | ckknight | TouristLib works for me |
| 21:02.30 | Mikma | ckknight: hitchhiker's guide to instances ;) |
| 21:02.35 | ckknight | lol |
| 21:02.42 | Mikma | to the* |
| 21:02.43 | hyperChipmunk | lol |
| 21:02.56 | hyperChipmunk | Tem, surprise doesn't have a z |
| 21:03.28 | Tem | hyperChipmunk: ? |
| 21:03.58 | hyperChipmunk | "...unacceptable. I was pleasently surprized at how well it works so I decided to make it public." |
| 21:03.58 | Mikma | "I was pleasently surprized at how well it works so I decided to make it public." |
| 21:04.27 | ckknight | lol |
| 21:04.30 | Tem | I can't spell |
| 21:04.32 | Tem | deal with it |
| 21:04.42 | hyperChipmunk | that's why I'm here to help you <3 |
| 21:04.51 | hyperChipmunk | together we will rule the world |
| 21:05.09 | hyperChipmunk | ~spell surprized |
| 21:05.20 | Mikma | or do you mean "rule the world of warcraft" hehe |
| 21:05.21 | hyperChipmunk | satirized =) |
| 21:05.47 | hyperChipmunk | reprized? Is that like regifted? |
| 21:06.15 | groll | ckknight u around? |
| 21:06.16 | Tem | reprize is a term used in musical works |
| 21:06.22 | hyperChipmunk | that's reprise |
| 21:06.22 | Tem | when a theme returns |
| 21:06.26 | Tem | oh |
| 21:06.42 | Tem | please see my previous comment about not being able to spell |
| 21:06.45 | hyperChipmunk | =) |
| 21:07.18 | kergoth` | i demand people tell me how confusing my description in http://covenant.kergoth.com/projects/wow/wiki/Code/NewOOModel is! |
| 21:07.21 | kergoth` | :) |
| 21:07.22 | hyperChipmunk | oh |
| 21:07.24 | kergoth` | ~emulate stewie |
| 21:07.25 | purl | Yes, I rather like this God fellow. He's very theatrical, you know, a pestilence here, a plague there. Omnipotence. Gotta get me some of that. |
| 21:07.27 | hyperChipmunk | sorry, fighting wow |
| 21:07.29 | ckknight | groll, yes |
| 21:07.35 | kergoth` | yay stewie |
| 21:07.41 | groll | ok ur the fubar dev right ckknight ? |
| 21:07.53 | ckknight | right |
| 21:07.54 | hyperChipmunk | only when he's not breaking it |
| 21:08.07 | ckknight | pretty much |
| 21:08.15 | groll | ckknight ok got a bit of an annoying "bug" then to report :P |
| 21:08.23 | hyperChipmunk | le gaspinations! |
| 21:08.36 | hyperChipmunk | I missed one! =( |
| 21:08.42 | groll | if u cahnge resoölution or go from window to non window mode and back the panel dont fill out the entire window |
| 21:08.42 | ckknight | http://www.wowinterface.com/portal.php?id=54&a=bugreport |
| 21:08.49 | ckknight | hrm |
| 21:09.00 | groll | it's mainly just annoying :P |
| 21:09.15 | ckknight | I'll look into it |
| 21:09.19 | groll | ok thx :D |
| 21:09.29 | ckknight | could you file a bug report anyway? |
| 21:09.33 | ckknight | otherwise I'll forget |
| 21:09.46 | groll | ok if i remember :P but i'll try to do it soon |
| 21:09.57 | hyperChipmunk | you using a recent fubar? I thought that was fixed like a month ago |
| 21:10.44 | hyperChipmunk | you know, I find it entertaining just how many different connection error messages you can get trying to log into wow |
| 21:11.01 | ckknight | hyperChipmunk, I didn't test with changing between windowed and non windowed |
| 21:11.39 | groll | hyperChipmunk i use the latest |
| 21:11.40 | groll | always |
| 21:11.50 | Tekkub | god damnit |
| 21:12.02 | Tekkub | my internet's being retarded again |
| 21:12.20 | hyperChipmunk | there's the "Could not log into World of Warcraft at this time"...the "Unable to connect" (single "okay" button and two-button "Help" or "Okay" varieties)...a simple "Disconnected"...it's seeming endless |
| 21:12.35 | hyperChipmunk | what did you fix then? |
| 21:13.05 | hyperChipmunk | cuz the problem went away for me after that O_o |
| 21:14.54 | hyperChipmunk | tek: your warmup directory still needs to be renamed to !!WarmUp, correct? |
| 21:15.22 | clad|sleep | Ok. |
| 21:15.26 | clad|sleep | so what is the svn drama? |
| 21:15.26 | hyperChipmunk | >8O |
| 21:15.59 | hyperChipmunk | hehehe |
| 21:16.15 | [MoonWolf] | permissions are all screwy |
| 21:16.21 | cladhaire | They got reset at 4:30pm last night |
| 21:16.23 | cladhaire | i dont know why |
| 21:16.43 | hyperChipmunk | "Several realms are running at critical status, which is impacting performance. TO address this the following realms will be brought down for approximately one hour for resolution." |
| 21:17.07 | hyperChipmunk | i.e. we're gonna take 'em down and hope people log on other servers for a bit |
| 21:17.11 | kergoth` | hyperChipmunk: unfortunately, not all systems have the folders sorted in alphabetical order from wow's perspective. on some machines, its by file creation date. |
| 21:17.22 | *** join/#wowace Firedancer (n=Miranda@cpe-24-58-108-74.twcny.res.rr.com) |
| 21:17.28 | kergoth` | on those systems, !! doesnt mean it loads first :\ |
| 21:17.37 | hyperChipmunk | it doesn't for me |
| 21:17.40 | kergoth` | have to add it to the deps of the first addons that get loaded |
| 21:18.09 | hyperChipmunk | but the toc is called !!WarmUp.toc |
| 21:18.29 | kergoth` | i know, just saying, tek should probably just change it back to warmup, since the oddball name doesnt work on most systems nowadays anyway |
| 21:18.33 | kergoth` | heh |
| 21:18.53 | hyperChipmunk | DurabilityFu takes the honors nowadays, for me |
| 21:19.15 | hyperChipmunk | warmup was like the 15th to load |
| 21:20.15 | groll | hmm what does "this plugin uses a deprecated tooltip sceheme. ..." |
| 21:20.34 | hyperChipmunk | that's normal |
| 21:20.46 | Mikma | interesting stats... Blizzard_RaidUI 1.196seconds, 3359KiB .. EasyRaid 0.552seconds, 2564KiB |
| 21:20.51 | hyperChipmunk | boss is just making an api change and giving people warnings |
| 21:20.54 | kergoth` | i bet it means that plugin uses a tooltip scheme that's deprecated |
| 21:20.55 | groll | k |
| 21:21.18 | groll | kergoth_ that was kinda obvious |
| 21:21.22 | hyperChipmunk | they'll need to make the change if they're goign to work with future fubars (i.e. the actual releases) |
| 21:21.27 | kergoth` | yes, it was. |
| 21:21.33 | Mikma | aftt_extreme 0.038seconds, 68KiB .. ok that's a surprise i must admit |
| 21:21.38 | groll | but english aint my main language.. |
| 21:21.40 | kergoth` | Mikma: i was impressed |
| 21:22.29 | Mikma | quickmountequip 229KiB :P |
| 21:22.57 | Tain | I still dislike all this fictional KiB notation. |
| 21:23.15 | [MoonWolf] | not this discussion again! |
| 21:23.15 | kergoth | KiB is the correct notation |
| 21:23.34 | Tain | I refuse to acknowledge it, it was made up to cover up for other people's ignorance. |
| 21:23.47 | kergoth | it isnt ignorance. kilo means 1000. period. by definition. |
| 21:23.49 | Mikma | KB KiB.. kilobytes kilobits? |
| 21:23.57 | hyperChipmunk | no that's Kb |
| 21:24.14 | hyperChipmunk | I think it's 2^10 vs 10^3 |
| 21:24.16 | Mikma | so KB and KiB means the same then? |
| 21:24.19 | kergoth | no |
| 21:24.27 | kergoth | well, depends who you're talking to :) |
| 21:24.30 | cladhaire | Kibibytes |
| 21:24.43 | kergoth | most use KB meaning KiB, not knowing any better |
| 21:24.56 | kergoth | K = kilo = 1000. Ki = kibi = 1024 |
| 21:25.22 | Mikma | raidung sucks, 5KiB's used by Blizzard_RaidUI + EasyRaid |
| 21:25.45 | hyperChipmunk | also, many people use KB meaning KiB cuz that's one less letter to type |
| 21:25.46 | kergoth | wonder what xraid uses |
| 21:25.51 | Tem | aksdhfkashf!~ |
| 21:25.55 | Tem | I HATE AUTH SERVERS |
| 21:26.01 | hyperChipmunk | I got in! |
| 21:26.24 | hyperChipmunk | hello there blizzard downloader |
| 21:26.31 | Mikma | kergoth: i don't dare to test now, we're starting to "wipe" with ebonrock |
| 21:26.35 | Mikma | -k |
| 21:26.38 | Tem | I'm so fucking sick of the auth issues |
| 21:26.51 | Tem | it's like, after 3 pm I can't log in until like 1 am |
| 21:27.34 | Mikma | well atleast you got the 1.10.1 patch, i had to clear my friendlist because i was tired of the crashes |
| 21:28.47 | kergoth | :\ |
| 21:28.50 | kergoth | hmmmm |
| 21:29.15 | hyperChipmunk | hehe reminds me of EQ |
| 21:29.31 | hyperChipmunk | when you didn't have anyone on your friendslist, and typed /who friend |
| 21:29.38 | hyperChipmunk | it responded with "You don't have any friends." |
| 21:29.42 | Mikma | Nurfed_CombatLog 365KiB, that's pretty much. Gotta try out the Miles' version too and see the results |
| 21:29.54 | kergoth | Miles' version? |
| 21:30.03 | [MoonWolf] | miles version |
| 21:30.05 | cladhaire | Yeah, Miles? |
| 21:30.13 | Mikma | i'll look it up, just a sec |
| 21:31.38 | cladhaire | lol |
| 21:31.46 | Mikma | sorry for the ugly paste: http://www.nurfed.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=7097&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0&sid=d67d8b6a2c960ff24ce7318824421b02 |
| 21:31.57 | otravi | Mikma: plixx.org ! |
| 21:32.20 | Mikma | http://tinyurl.com/rj4zo |
| 21:32.31 | Eraphine|Lab | hrm.. catalyst |
| 21:32.39 | cladhaire | lol |
| 21:32.52 | Eraphine|Lab | completely unhooks those events on player leaving and hooks them again on entering |
| 21:33.22 | Eraphine|Lab | how do you know that catalyst is going to get those events before other addons? |
| 21:33.41 | hyperChipmunk | ohhhhhoho |
| 21:33.50 | [MoonWolf] | its not a question of before, its a question of after. |
| 21:34.11 | [MoonWolf] | i think |
| 21:34.12 | Eraphine|Lab | if it gets them from ace, does the time it takes for events to propogate from ace to catalyst affect it? |
| 21:34.16 | Mikma | ok here's the direct url for the Miles version: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4649 |
| 21:34.33 | Mikma | but it seems to bug alot with 1.10 |
| 21:35.00 | Mikma | Takes you out of combat for some mysterious reason sometimes |
| 21:35.09 | Mikma | displays errors in middle of screen |
| 21:35.16 | cladhaire | neat |
| 21:35.21 | cladhaire | i'll just rewrite one for myself. |
| 21:35.30 | Mikma | not that neat for rogues ;) resets combos nihaha |
| 21:35.32 | hyperChipmunk | Tekkub: Interface\AddOns\!!WarmUp\Warmup.lua:53:attempt to index field `frame' (a nil value) |
| 21:35.37 | cladhaire | I am a rogue =) |
| 21:35.48 | hyperChipmunk | I want to be taken out of combat |
| 21:35.58 | Mikma | hyperChipmunk: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4649 ;) |
| 21:36.05 | hyperChipmunk | <---hunter |
| 21:36.09 | hyperChipmunk | take me ooc plz |
| 21:36.40 | Mikma | well, i didn't mean that it takes you ooc but it stops fighting and loses target |
| 21:36.51 | Mikma | still stays in combat tho but does nothing |
| 21:36.59 | hyperChipmunk | wb kai |
| 21:37.04 | hyperChipmunk | also, cai =P |
| 21:37.40 | Cairenn | hey |
| 21:37.50 | cladhaire | hey cair |
| 21:37.54 | Mikma | if i remember correctly, ie. someone else mounting near you will make you stop auto-attack and loses combos |
| 21:37.59 | FryGuy | mikma: is that thing aced? |
| 21:38.05 | Mikma | FryGuy: nope |
| 21:38.32 | FryGuy | seems like it's pretty optimized though |
| 21:38.33 | cladhaire | So do we like the changes to http://svn.wowace.com |
| 21:38.34 | cladhaire | or no |
| 21:38.43 | hyperChipmunk | with the extra infoz? |
| 21:39.09 | hyperChipmunk | I liked the simple design, but maybe once I get used to it, I'll find it helpful |
| 21:39.23 | Mikma | FryGuy: yeah i think he spent alot of time optimizing and testing it, but haven't heard from him lately |
| 21:39.29 | Eraphine|Lab | I like it cladhaire |
| 21:39.36 | Eraphine|Lab | mods by author = good |
| 21:39.41 | Mikma | i think it was the best combatlogmod there was, but 1.10 broke it somehow |
| 21:39.42 | FryGuy | mikma: it should use that stub thingy like metrognome :) |
| 21:40.01 | Eraphine|Lab | cladhaire can it also do mods by name? |
| 21:40.16 | hyperChipmunk | where do you see that? |
| 21:40.22 | cladhaire | Eraphine|Lab: It doesn't really work like that, it doesn't list the mods it lists the various repositories we have |
| 21:40.23 | cladhaire | so no., |
| 21:40.29 | Eraphine|Lab | ok I see |
| 21:40.44 | Eraphine|Lab | Tem, you forgot to update the version number in your .toc |
| 21:40.48 | Eraphine|Lab | and DAMN catalyst is so hack. |
| 21:40.53 | Tem | huh? |
| 21:40.56 | Tem | it's 1.0 |
| 21:41.02 | Tem | I didn't want it to go any higher |
| 21:41.03 | Eraphine|Lab | no it's 10900 |
| 21:41.07 | Tem | oh, lol |
| 21:41.14 | Tem | that's in my addon creation script |
| 21:41.17 | Mikma | oh, btw i had a interesting issue with Firemaw's Timexbar |
| 21:41.19 | Tem | whopps |
| 21:41.45 | otravi | Mikma: tell Tekkub and Shyva (think they are responsible, or [Ammo]) |
| 21:41.47 | Mikma | i saw the timexbar for his buffer, but when the timer ended it started to run on negative and didn't go away |
| 21:41.57 | Eraphine|Lab | Has anyone tested catalyst yet? |
| 21:42.02 | otravi | Mikma: that is a timex issue... |
| 21:42.06 | Eraphine|Lab | I will as soon as I get home. |
| 21:42.14 | otravi | I've seen it once myself |
| 21:42.14 | Tem | Eraphine|Lab: I tested it a bit |
| 21:42.26 | Tem | Eraphine|Lab: I'm trying to log in to get a "real" test of it |
| 21:42.35 | FryGuy | mikma: is that from bigwigs? |
| 21:42.35 | Eraphine|Lab | I imagine it can break some addons |
| 21:42.35 | Tem | but fucking auth server won't let me through |
| 21:42.45 | Mikma | FryGuy: yeap |
| 21:43.06 | otravi | It would still be a Timex issue, since it happens to other timex based mods also |
| 21:43.09 | otravi | like AceTimer |
| 21:43.14 | Eraphine|Lab | another thing |
| 21:43.17 | Mikma | now i'll try to test it with Flamegor |
| 21:43.31 | Tem | Eraphine|Lab: If my understanding of the nature of the Zoning events is right, (I'm 99.999% sure I am right) then the events are completely superfluous and Catalyst won't break anything |
| 21:43.40 | Eraphine|Lab | one of the reasons rowne wrote tmex was as an efficient onupdate handerl, and nowe we have metrognome (great name btw) |
| 21:43.47 | Mikma | well, if it's timex issue then it might happen with everything |
| 21:44.44 | Eraphine|Lab | well - your addon completely knips it in the butt then. |
| 21:44.51 | Eraphine|Lab | btw.. what does enumerate frames do ? |
| 21:44.58 | Eraphine|Lab | is that an lua function? |
| 21:45.07 | Tem | EnumerateFrames is an API function added in 1.10 |
| 21:45.16 | hyperChipmunk | it enumerates frames |
| 21:46.41 | Tem | nextFrame = EnumerateFrames(currentFrame) -- Get the Frame which follows currentFrame (in internal order, use currentFrame=nil for the first one) |
| 21:47.37 | cladhaire | Tem: I looked at it.. nice and clean and happy =) |
| 21:47.46 | Mikma | btw, anyone else have had an "lag" issues with Decursive 1.9.x? |
| 21:47.56 | cladhaire | WHat permissions needs to be changed on the svn |
| 21:47.57 | cladhaire | right now |
| 21:48.00 | cladhaire | before i take a nap |
| 21:48.05 | Tem | dude |
| 21:48.06 | Mikma | when i pressed my clear -button i got 2-5 second pauses in game |
| 21:48.12 | Tem | you were "alseep" for most of the day |
| 21:48.16 | Tem | now you're taking a nap? |
| 21:48.20 | cladhaire | .. cause i was at work =) |
| 21:48.24 | cladhaire | i wish i could sleep at work |
| 21:48.26 | Tem | stop being a bumb |
| 21:48.29 | Tem | stop being a bum |
| 21:48.32 | cladhaire | it'd be more intellectually stimulating. |
| 21:48.33 | Shyva | Mikma, those neggative numbers are timex problems.. not Bigwigs... I have it sometimes too.. :-S |
| 21:49.03 | Mikma | Shyva: yeah i kinda thought it was :) |
| 21:49.06 | Shyva | :-) |
| 21:49.34 | Mikma | i quote myself: <0042> <Mikma> oh, btw i had a interesting issue with Firemaw's Timexbar |
| 21:51.22 | cladhaire | From Rev 20 of Ace |
| 21:51.22 | cladhaire | Ace - Removed the suppression code from AceEvent, due to how f-ing pimp Catalyst is. |
| 21:51.34 | hyperChipmunk | ol |
| 21:51.37 | hyperChipmunk | lol |
| 21:51.39 | Tem | haha |
| 21:51.53 | Mikma | moment ago i saw the range-issue with bosses in bwl. Ebonroc was at 5% when it moved a littlebit closer to me and i saw a text about combat with ebonroc :D |
| 21:52.21 | Tem | cladhaire: if you really want to see how pimp it is, compare it's code with the alternatives |
| 21:52.50 | Tem | http://ui.worldofwar.net/ui.php?id=2419 |
| 21:52.56 | cladhaire | I have |
| 21:52.57 | cladhaire | all day =) |
| 21:54.11 | Tem | I had nightmares about that ntmys addon last night |
| 21:54.17 | cladhaire | hahah |
| 21:54.23 | cladhaire | THANK you =) |
| 21:54.25 | Tem | and today someone in here showed me a link to something even worse |
| 21:54.33 | cladhaire | the one on curse is worse |
| 21:54.35 | cladhaire | well |
| 21:54.36 | cladhaire | bad |
| 21:54.40 | cladhaire | i wont say how bad they are |
| 21:54.51 | Tem | heh |
| 21:55.16 | cladhaire | Tem: you look at the libstub yet? |
| 21:55.17 | Tem | I'm trying to log in so I can get a better number for comparison |
| 21:55.19 | cladhaire | or the Ace 2.0 post? |
| 21:55.25 | Tem | cladhaire: I did see the Ace2 post |
| 21:55.32 | Tem | looks good to me |
| 21:55.40 | Cairenn | there's something worse than that ntmys addon on curse? *shudders* |
| 21:56.05 | Tem | Cairenn: theres one that tries to unregister specific addons |
| 21:56.14 | Cairenn | oh lord |
| 21:56.20 | Tem | it's nightmarish |
| 21:56.30 | hyperChipmunk | yea, it only supports a few now, but more to come! |
| 21:57.30 | Mikma | hmm why do i see ctra bossmod's /rs announces with ** text **, not with 3 stars |
| 21:57.53 | hyperChipmunk | O_o |
| 21:59.13 | Mikma | are there any other addons for those bosses? since the same person is sending 2 kind of messages |
| 21:59.28 | Mikma | other has 2 starts at start and at the end, other has 3 |
| 21:59.31 | Mikma | stars* |
| 21:59.50 | Shyva | my first bwl mods had 2 stars... |
| 22:00.19 | cladhaire | ok.. i'm rebooting |
| 22:00.24 | cladhaire | and loading desktopbsd |
| 22:00.27 | cladhaire | so i can get my unix fix. |
| 22:00.31 | cladhaire | but i'll be back in a bit. |
| 22:00.31 | hyperChipmunk | O_o |
| 22:00.42 | cladhaire | i need my ventrilo tho =( |
| 22:00.54 | hyperChipmunk | TS ftw |
| 22:00.56 | Mikma | Shyva: well he said he's using normal ctra bossmod :P |
| 22:01.09 | Mikma | frenzy alerts had *** xxx *** |
| 22:01.28 | Mikma | shadow flames and wing buffets had ** xxx ** |
| 22:01.37 | *** part/#wowace cladhaire (n=jnwhiteh@cpe-24-59-191-241.twcny.res.rr.com) |
| 22:01.50 | Shyva | just a flaw in ctrabm then? I think.. |
| 22:01.54 | Shyva | anyways, I'm off, Cya |
| 22:01.57 | Mikma | yeah my thoughts too |
| 22:02.18 | hyperChipmunk | later |
| 22:11.21 | Tain | Ok how do I do what I'm trying to do in the first block here, and failing? |
| 22:11.23 | Tain | http://ace.pastebin.com/656591 |
| 22:12.16 | Tain | I'm trying to loop through and assign a number to sequences of objects and it only ever sets them to the final value of the loop (in this example, 10) |
| 22:12.23 | id` | Anyone have experience with .bat files? |
| 22:12.31 | Tain | The .batman does |
| 22:12.45 | id` | how do i make the DAMN thing stop closing my MS-DOS windows when something finishes |
| 22:12.53 | id` | (or crashes) |
| 22:13.10 | id` | e.g. a 'wait for input' command.. |
| 22:13.22 | Tain | Oh you can add "pause" as the last line |
| 22:13.25 | hyperChipmunk | I had this problem too, Tain |
| 22:13.28 | hyperChipmunk | I forget why =) |
| 22:13.31 | id` | thanks tain |
| 22:13.31 | id` | alot |
| 22:13.59 | hyperChipmunk | I think I had it nested in something |
| 22:14.05 | id` | http://hellsblade.xs4all.nl:81/ |
| 22:14.10 | Tain | I just am obviously failing to grasp. |
| 22:14.14 | id` | does that raise a 404 page? |
| 22:14.22 | id` | (so it works but it doesnt work yet?) |
| 22:14.33 | hyperChipmunk | Connecting to... |
| 22:15.00 | id` | meh.. ever since my dad started poking at the router :< |
| 22:15.04 | id` | hyperChipmunk: k |
| 22:15.20 | hyperChipmunk | oh, I think boss helped me with that one -- that was the local i = i thing |
| 22:15.25 | hyperChipmunk | lemme find it |
| 22:15.43 | hyperChipmunk | yea |
| 22:15.50 | hyperChipmunk | stick local i = i right under the for |
| 22:16.04 | Mikma | will this line do to filter out ** foo ** and *** bar *** messages? |
| 22:16.06 | Mikma | if( self:GetOpt("blockboss") and string.find( msg, "^%*%*%* .+ %*%*%*$" ) or string.find( msg, "^%*%* .+ %*%*$" ) ) then return end |
| 22:16.13 | Tain | ug yeah it works fine like that |
| 22:16.25 | hyperChipmunk | =D |
| 22:16.28 | Tain | Thanks :) |
| 22:17.01 | hyperChipmunk | anytime I can help! |
| 22:17.03 | hyperChipmunk | which is like |
| 22:17.05 | hyperChipmunk | never |
| 22:17.41 | *** join/#wowace Eraphine (n=Eraphine@cpe-24-59-107-221.twcny.res.rr.com) |
| 22:20.58 | Tem | Can someone read my post and tell me if I screwed up anywhere? |
| 22:20.58 | Tem | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4827&jump=5770#cmnt5770 |
| 22:21.15 | id` | http://img309.imageshack.us/img309/9332/untitled0dw.png |
| 22:21.36 | id` | web frameworks are like toys |
| 22:21.41 | id` | you get to try them all |
| 22:21.43 | id` | and keep the good ones |
| 22:21.44 | id` | xD |
| 22:22.27 | Mikma | id`: btw, ain't there an option somewhere that "do not close the window" on prompt? |
| 22:22.27 | id` | I love lightweight solutions |
| 22:22.43 | id` | really? |
| 22:22.45 | id` | *look* |
| 22:23.06 | id` | mmmm nope |
| 22:23.18 | Ratbert_CP | You forgot to complain about Cosmos... ;) |
| 22:23.32 | id` | I didnt have to try cosmos |
| 22:24.03 | id` | its like a trycicle with 36 wheels and 52 peddles |
| 22:24.25 | Ratbert_CP | I was responding to Tem's RFC... ;) |
| 22:24.31 | id` | (the again, cosmos isnt a web framework) |
| 22:24.33 | id` | oh, lol xD |
| 22:24.36 | id` | then* |
| 22:24.36 | Tem | oh lol |
| 22:25.03 | id` | wow addons are like toys too :-) |
| 22:25.10 | Tain | I'd love to try out Catalyst but I'm already logged in and if I log out now... well you know what'll happen. |
| 22:25.15 | Ratbert_CP | Now, where did that sniveling weasel, cladhaire get off to? |
| 22:25.44 | Ratbert_CP | s/higs/hugs/ |
| 22:26.07 | Tain | I'm making good progress on VisorButtons that can selectively respond to ACTION_BAR_CHANGED or ignore it as desired. |
| 22:26.16 | Eraphine | looks good tem |
| 22:26.21 | Tem | thanks |
| 22:30.16 | kergoth | hmm, clad left? dangit |
| 22:31.43 | kergoth | regarding the ace 2.0 design, i'm still not sure why a seperate Ace object/addon needs to exist. the enable dispatch on login and such can easily have been setup by one of the base classes we inherit.. |
| 22:32.13 | Mikma | interesting, i can't find aceunitframes anywhere |
| 22:32.49 | Tain | Mikma: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4590 |
| 22:33.32 | otravi | my current zoning is 5.139 sec :< |
| 22:33.45 | Mikma | otravi: i'm trying your unitframe now :) |
| 22:33.47 | otravi | Tain: AUF still has that leak |
| 22:34.15 | otravi | Mikma: oh, I fix that leak in oUF :p |
| 22:34.34 | otravi | but if you think the target's target detection is too slow, say so |
| 22:34.55 | Mikma | otravi: well don't worry yet, i'll only look what's it like |
| 22:35.18 | otravi | hehe |
| 22:35.32 | otravi | I could have given you a screen if you wanted :p |
| 22:35.48 | Mikma | na better to test |
| 22:36.40 | otravi | I gained 3sec with Catalyst |
| 22:37.03 | *** join/#wowace cladhaire (n=jnwhiteh@cpe-24-59-191-241.twcny.res.rr.com) |
| 22:37.11 | Tain | I don't actually use AUF, no idea what it might have for bugs. |
| 22:37.39 | Tain | I'd run if I were you cladhaire, people have been looking for you. |
| 22:37.49 | Mikma | otravi: aceheal doesn't work ;) |
| 22:37.52 | otravi | Tain: well, the OnUpdate for target's target updated every .02 sec |
| 22:38.02 | otravi | Mikma: I'll look into that :) |
| 22:38.09 | otravi | I have never used AceHeal actually :p |
| 22:38.36 | Tain | It's such a pain in the ass to work on functionality that you don't actually use yourself. |
| 22:38.50 | Tain | Down with options! EVeryone should only use things the way I do. |
| 22:38.51 | Mikma | yeah, if you don't use it don't code it ;) |
| 22:39.06 | kergoth | cladhaire: http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php/topic,1329.msg21666.html#msg21666 |
| 22:39.16 | otravi | Tain: I agree, my unit frames was only a XML before I started giving it out to people in the guild and such :p |
| 22:42.08 | cladhaire | .. |
| 22:42.12 | cladhaire | Why are people all up in my shit? |
| 22:42.17 | cladhaire | lol |
| 22:42.20 | otravi | PerfectRaid! |
| 22:42.51 | Ratbert_CP | I've been trying to import BagBoy to svn, and I keep failing... |
| 22:42.52 | cladhaire | kergoth: AceState should never exist.. its a bad bad horrible thing =0 |
| 22:43.17 | cladhaire | Ratbert_CP: Run the password script again.. looks like a bunch of passwords/permissions were reset, I've got a call into my ISP to figure out why |
| 22:43.24 | cladhaire | otravi: Code it YO damn self =) |
| 22:43.48 | cladhaire | kergoth: But I agree.. that makes complete sense too.. it was just my compilation of jumbled ideas. |
| 22:43.57 | cladhaire | Hopefully the four (five) of us can get it hammered out. |
| 22:43.59 | cladhaire | cause we need to get started |
| 22:44.09 | cladhaire | there's not much more of Ace i can rewrite without doing it froms cratch |
| 22:44.46 | otravi | You know whats fun, walking around on a LAN, and see random people using your addons :p |
| 22:44.53 | Mikma | otravi: do you have a fullparty screenshot? |
| 22:44.59 | cladhaire | otravi: Hahah thats awesome. |
| 22:45.06 | Ratbert_CP | No good... |
| 22:45.36 | otravi | Mikma: http://www.fuxsake.net/images/games/wow/WoWScrnShot_040806_184651.png << only that one, it's from 1.5.4 |
| 22:45.53 | otravi | or.. I can check my Screenshot folder |
| 22:46.33 | Mikma | interesting name in middle of screen ;) |
| 22:46.47 | Mikma | means "hugkiss" in finnish |
| 22:46.47 | otravi | hehe |
| 22:46.47 | hyperChipmunk | otravi: re. lan, that's great |
| 22:46.54 | Mikma | oh btw |
| 22:47.04 | otravi | Mikma: he is finish actually :p |
| 22:47.23 | Mikma | i see a Ilmarinen there also, which finnish "name" ;) |
| 22:47.33 | otravi | he is also finnish :p |
| 22:47.48 | Mikma | yeah kinda figured hehe |
| 22:48.08 | Mikma | http://www.sacred-texts.com/neu/kveng/index.htm |
| 22:48.10 | Mikma | ;) |
| 22:48.18 | Mikma | Rune X. Ilmarinen Forges the Sampo. |
| 22:48.57 | otravi | sampo = |
| 22:49.01 | otravi | his pet has that name :p |
| 22:49.08 | Mikma | well no wonder haha |
| 22:49.21 | Mikma | finnish folk-story or something like that |
| 22:49.40 | Mikma | don rosa made a donald duck adventure of it too hehe |
| 22:49.53 | otravi | :o |
| 22:49.54 | cladhaire | Tem|AFK: Went from 12 seconds on average to 2.5 seconds |
| 22:50.20 | otravi | 5 sec to 2.5 here |
| 22:50.33 | hyperChipmunk | fubar worked flawlessly through an entire ab match =\ |
| 22:51.04 | otravi | hyperChipmunk: something has to be wrong! |
| 22:52.19 | Ratbert_CP | cladhaire: Still not loggin in. I end up with: "Error: CHECKOUT of '/Ratbert/!svn/ver/0/': authorization failed (http://svn.wowace.com)" |
| 22:52.32 | cladhaire | Ratbert_CP: Gimme a second |
| 22:52.40 | cladhaire | Do you have the output from the password script? |
| 22:52.44 | Ratbert_CP | Already successfully changed my password... |
| 22:52.50 | cladhaire | The output would help |
| 22:56.57 | kergoth | cladhaire: nod, compilations of jumbled ideas are why we needed that brainstorming thread :) |
| 22:57.02 | cladhaire | =) |
| 22:59.53 | Tain | I am not trying to index a nil value you dirty piece of.. |
| 23:00.02 | Mikma | still for some reason i'm getting better results in zoning with ntmysFixLoadingTimes |
| 23:00.34 | cladhaire | Mikma: You will |
| 23:00.41 | cladhaire | Mikma: That stops ALL events from firing |
| 23:00.43 | cladhaire | which is retarded |
| 23:01.52 | Mikma | so are the event's the kinds that will be missed? |
| 23:02.54 | Ratbert_CP | OK, so how do I tag my current trunk as a release of some sort? Via TortiseSVN? |
| 23:05.55 | cladhaire | Ratbert_CP: Rigth click in the folder, TortoiseSVN > BRanch/Tag |
| 23:06.12 | cladhaire | Have your destination be a directory numbered (by version) under tags |
| 23:06.19 | Ratbert_CP | Right... |
| 23:06.23 | cladhaire | check out http://svn.wowace.com/Ace/tags/Ace to get na idea |
| 23:06.36 | cladhaire | err |
| 23:06.39 | cladhaire | http://svn.wowace.com/Ace/tags/ |
| 23:09.26 | Mikma | does that svn have global timeline somewhere? |
| 23:09.55 | cladhaire | .. meaning |
| 23:10.23 | Mikma | https://opensvn.csie.org/traccgi/Ace/trac.cgi/timeline |
| 23:11.03 | cladhaire | http://svn.wowace.com/log.php?repname=Ace&path=%2F&rev=0&sc=0&isdir=1 |
| 23:11.10 | cladhaire | http://svn.wowace.com/ |
| 23:11.14 | cladhaire | is what you're looking for. |
| 23:11.40 | Mikma | the first link does the trick, thanks |
| 23:12.19 | cladhaire | Yeah, but thats just that ace branch.. you shoudl familiarize yourself with the WebSVN |
| 23:12.41 | ckknight | mmm... my TouristLib is handy |
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| 23:15.39 | Mikma | cladhaire: hmm the last time i checked the frontpage of svn it didn't have any descriptions in it |
| 23:15.59 | Mikma | the present one is much better |
| 23:16.17 | cladhaire | Mikma: That was added today |
| 23:16.23 | cladhaire | it makes it slower, but it seems like people wanted it. |
| 23:17.05 | cladhaire | we know |
| 23:17.21 | Mikma | cladhaire: yeah it's good, it serves the same purpose as the timeline i pasted, showing every update there has been done and when they are done |
| 23:17.35 | cladhaire | WebSVN is very comprehensive. |
| 23:17.44 | cladhaire | and about 1/12th the size of Trac |
| 23:17.44 | hyperChipmunk | so where's CIAbot? |
| 23:17.51 | cladhaire | CIa is hiding.. but will be back soon |
| 23:18.13 | Mikma | cladhaire: +, it has .tar.gz :D |
| 23:18.18 | hyperChipmunk | yes |
| 23:18.22 | hyperChipmunk | <3 the tarball |
| 23:18.27 | cladhaire | ehe |
| 23:18.57 | ckknight | okay |
| 23:19.08 | ckknight | youa know how pairs() returns next? what does ipairs return? |
| 23:19.27 | cladhaire | dunno |
| 23:19.34 | hyperChipmunk | inext? |
| 23:19.49 | ckknight | no, they're not that smart, hyperChipmunk |
| 23:19.55 | hyperChipmunk | oh |
| 23:19.56 | ckknight | I tried nexti and inext |
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| 23:49.06 | Tekkub | oh fuck me daddy |
| 23:49.14 | Tekkub | 3.401 sec *glee* |
| 23:49.30 | Tekkub | can I say it? |
| 23:49.39 | Tekkub | please please please can I say it? |
| 23:50.40 | Tekkub | WarmUp: Date of original submission: November 26th, 2005 .... I FUCKING TOLD YOU SO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 23:50.50 | hyperChipmunk | ? |
| 23:50.52 | Tekkub | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:51.02 | Tekkub | nothing Chip ^^ |
| 23:51.03 | hyperChipmunk | I'm glad you're back |
| 23:51.07 | Tekkub | just gloating |
| 23:51.16 | hyperChipmunk | so now I can recite these errors for you |
| 23:51.35 | Tekkub | I have a WoWI portal, post errors there |
| 23:51.41 | Tekkub | then I don't forget about em |
| 23:51.55 | hyperChipmunk | well I rather think it might be on my end =) |
| 23:52.15 | Tekkub | in that case lern2notsuck |
| 23:52.20 | hyperChipmunk | =( |
| 23:52.25 | Tekkub | ^^ |
| 23:52.28 | hyperChipmunk | since it worked fine before |
| 23:52.48 | hyperChipmunk | Interface\AddOns\!!WarmUp\Warmup.lua:53: attempt to index field `frame' (a nil value) |
| 23:53.10 | hyperChipmunk | and when I open the macro window, I get it again |
| 23:53.24 | hyperChipmunk | and a couple other frames |
| 23:54.20 | Tekkub | hrm.... |
| 23:54.29 | hyperChipmunk | hmm...but I don't get a warmup /-command, even though it kindly spits errors at me well after loading |
| 23:54.37 | hyperChipmunk | so it's lurking there somewhere =x |
| 23:54.42 | Tekkub | reset WU's savedvars |
| 23:55.01 | Tekkub | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:55.05 | Tekkub | then reload |
| 23:55.34 | Tekkub | if you change settings let me know which changes causes it |
| 23:55.48 | hyperChipmunk | k |
| 23:56.00 | hyperChipmunk | heh heh |
| 23:56.19 | hyperChipmunk | Interface\AddOns\!!WarmUp\Warmup.lua:53: attempt to index global `WarmupSV' (a nil value) |
| 23:56.27 | hyperChipmunk | =) |
| 23:56.34 | kergoth | ckknight: ipairs returns itself. its very cute, its behavior changes based on the arguments :) |
| 23:56.53 | ckknight | hrm |
| 23:57.01 | kergoth | ckknight: interestingly, in 5.1 it does not return itself, it returns a function that has no name in the default global environment |
| 23:57.08 | ckknight | okay |
| 23:57.09 | hyperChipmunk | setting WarmupSV = {} returns the same error as before |
| 23:57.17 | kergoth | so you have to local iter = ipairs({}) to get ahold of it |
| 23:57.20 | kergoth | rather annoying, really |
| 23:59.20 | hyperChipmunk | joining wsg gives me that message on line 42 as well |
