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| 01:19.15 | quixote | Have a new HP Touchpad. Do NOT like being forced to "activate" an HP account just to use it. If I do activate with an account, just to play with it, can I later reset so that all that info gets wiped and I can start over with a rooted / developer version? I'm a total n00b to tablets, but using linux since mid-90s. |
| 01:23.40 | destinal_ | quixote: you don't have to activate if you don't care to use the app catalog and backup functions and so on |
| 01:24.12 | Compn | quixote : yes, you can reset it and resell |
| 01:24.22 | Compn | or root it whenever you want |
| 01:24.46 | Compn | i activated mine and rooted it (installed preware) easily |
| 01:24.52 | destinal | Compn: there is no "rooting" you just turn on developer mode. I say there's no rooting because it's designed to give you root if you ask, not something that needs to be hacked |
| 01:24.58 | Compn | right |
| 01:25.22 | destinal | important philosophical difference vs most android devices |
| 01:25.47 | quixote | Hey, thanks! I don't want to resell. I love the ones I've been able to use, which is why I bought one... and then bumped into this obnoxious activation nonsense. I couldn't find that simple info in hours of searching. Thanks again. |
| 01:26.09 | destinal | quixote: did you find out how to bypass activation? |
| 01:26.51 | destinal | quixote: I still think activation is better because you can use the app catalog and download applications from HP |
| 01:26.57 | quixote | Yes, I did. But I wanted to know whether not bypassing would land me in being in an HP account forever. You never know these days. |
| 01:27.25 | destinal | quixote: they don't try to lock you into anything, you can always wipe |
| 01:28.05 | quixote | that's why I wanted to try activating, see if all that good stuff I hear about is worth the bother. I also understand I can turn off most of the logging, backing up etc. But still. |
| 01:28.34 | quixote | Okay. Good to know. |
| 01:29.43 | destinal | quixote: the one thing that's important is your geographic region |
| 01:30.09 | quixote | I'm in the US. California. |
| 01:30.27 | destinal | ah ok then no worries |
| 01:30.57 | destinal | some regions have fewer apps available, that kind of thing. something silly and I imagine will go away with open webos |
| 01:31.25 | quixote | I see. Which regions are depauperate? |
| 01:32.34 | destinal | non-US, not sure which ones are the worst |
| 01:32.58 | quixote | Okay. Cheers. |
| 01:33.05 | destinal | it's something you can select when publishing your app on the catalog, what areas it should be available in |
| 01:33.11 | rwhitby | there are 10 countries where you can buy apps. 128+ countries where you cannot |
| 01:33.13 | destinal | if you make an app and publish it on the catalog that is |
| 01:33.44 | destinal | rwhitby: wow still that high? that's insane |
| 01:34.11 | rwhitby | number of countries in the world minus 10 |
| 01:34.22 | quixote | Yikes. The things you learn. We need to get our open internet back, pronto! |
| 01:34.43 | rwhitby | it's not an internet thing. it's a tax and legal requirements for sale in various countries thing |
| 01:34.59 | rwhitby | for example, many countries have legal restrictions on app content |
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| 01:35.42 | quixote | Hmph. I'm not sure I'm any more patient about taxes and legal beagles! |
| 01:35.42 | rwhitby | the world is a complex place. paypal doesn't solve any of those things. |
| 01:36.35 | rwhitby | end-user desire rarely has any impact on such issues |
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| 01:36.44 | destinal | quixote: I guess these are the kinds of things that matter when running online application stores |
| 01:36.57 | destinal | I imagine Apple has a whole team of people dealing with it |
| 01:37.19 | rwhitby | these are some of the reasons why Preware does not have apps for sale. the legal issues are far more than what I wish to deal with. |
| 01:37.41 | quixote | Ain't that the truth. And on that depressing note, I'll sign off. :P |
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| 01:37.48 | destinal | rwhitby: on the other hand, Preware does enable people to do their own online application stores since you can install IPK's from web URL's |
| 01:38.05 | rwhitby | destinal: exactly. they then take the legal risk, rather than I. |
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| 01:39.00 | destinal | rwhitby: I propose that Open webOS implement a switch in the control panel to enable web-based install, the way android has had such a switch since the beginning |
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| 01:39.20 | rwhitby | sure |
| 01:40.23 | destinal | (carriers or enterprises could disable it, presuming there will be carriers and enterprises) |
| 01:40.29 | destinal | that's fine |
| 01:42.05 | destinal | err say rather carriers / enterprises / product vendors I suppose |
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| 09:23.55 | Astray | Hi I'm getting an blog error while trying to install stuff |
| 09:24.05 | Astray | ipkg |
| 09:24.19 | Astray | using preware |
| 09:25.58 | cryptk | Astray, blog error? |
| 09:29.31 | Astray | ipkg error, but just did some research and apparently it's the website being down |
| 09:31.28 | cryptk | Astray, which package were you trying to install, and what was the error? |
| 09:33.35 | Astray | filemgr and internalz |
| 09:33.47 | cryptk | ahh, that would be a precentral problem then |
| 09:33.57 | cryptk | is the error at the part where it runs curl to download the ipk? |
| 09:34.45 | Astray | also looking for a patch to be able to download stuff from sites needing authentenication |
| 09:34.53 | Astray | and yes |
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| 11:25.35 | r9s_ | can someone look at this thread? http://forums.webosnation.com/webos-development/311761-file-responsible-changing-headset-mode.html |
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| 12:36.27 | r9s_ | any luck? |
| 12:39.27 | cryptk | r9s_, any luck with what? |
| 12:40.32 | r9s_ | with this: http://forums.webosnation.com/webos-development/311761-file-responsible-changing-headset-mode.html |
| 12:41.39 | cryptk | r9s_, I would look at the patch files for sconix's patches, or for any patch really that deals with that stuff |
| 12:41.45 | cryptk | that should help to point you in the right direction |
| 12:41.59 | cryptk | since the patch file will tell you what files it is modifying |
| 12:43.03 | cryptk | https://github.com/webos-internals/patches/blob/webos-1.4.5/phone/phone-autospeakerphone-via-proximity-sensor-instant.patch |
| 12:43.12 | cryptk | I would check out the 3 or so files that patch modifies |
| 12:43.38 | cryptk | the lines that start with --- and +++ indicate the files that are being modified |
| 12:45.14 | cryptk | /usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.phone/app/models/TelephonyEventListener.js seems like a likely suspect |
| 12:45.40 | cryptk | r9s_, ^^^ |
| 12:47.38 | r9s_ | cryptk: thank you |
| 12:47.50 | r9s_ | i will look inside when i go home |
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| 15:27.18 | dwc- | woohoo, the web browser |
| 15:27.50 | Compn | woohoo what ? |
| 15:27.51 | Compn | what happened ? |
| 15:27.54 | dwc- | http://developer.palm.com/blog/2012/02/sams-blog-february-releases-for-open-webos/ |
| 15:27.59 | Compn | yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay |
| 15:32.10 | dtzWill | :D |
| 15:32.53 | Compn | so whos got binaries ready for install ? :D |
| 15:33.33 | Compn | the browser is a 'core application'. kind of confusing wording |
| 15:40.29 | mberg | I'm jazzed. :) But yeah, waiting for someone else to package it. |
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| 17:48.10 | summatusmentis | has anyone tried building Isis yet? |
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| 17:51.36 | swisstomcat | no |
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| 17:52.17 | swisstomcat | waiting for more info |
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| 18:01.05 | wrea | summatusmentis, I havent, I'd have to boot into Linux |
| 18:01.11 | wrea | Might later in the day |
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| 18:04.14 | summatusmentis | swisstomcat: what more info? don't you get all the info? |
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| 18:16.46 | EricBlade | anyone got binaries for our new browser yet? :) |
| 18:17.54 | EricBlade | or is it just an enyo interface so far |
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| 18:22.50 | swisstomcat | summatusmentis: suprise :) |
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| 18:25.44 | EricBlade | Congrats, Rod, Official Open webOS Community Development Leader |
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| 18:29.56 | summatusmentis | I wonder if they pay rwhitby for that |
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| 18:40.02 | halfhalo | they pay him in opals |
| 18:40.25 | summatusmentis | I didn't know rwhitby was into shiny stones |
| 18:40.28 | summatusmentis | :-P |
| 18:40.29 | wrea | lol |
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| 20:03.02 | destinal_ | hmm so what's this about isis? |
| 20:03.45 | destinal_ | https://github.com/isis-project looks like actual code? |
| 20:04.56 | destinal_ | governance model stuff is neat too |
| 20:06.52 | swisstomcat | it's a lot of code |
| 20:06.55 | swisstomcat | but no build instructions |
| 20:08.48 | destinal_ | nice, NPAPI stuff, I did so much reversing on that to get terminal working back in the day and now it's actually public (though without docs). good times |
| 20:12.13 | destinal_ | swisstomcat: yeah I guess time to see how close this stuff comes to actually compiling |
| 20:12.35 | halfhalo | not very, at least for me. which doesn't say much' |
| 20:13.28 | destinal_ | halfhalo: traditionally palm's webkit didn't compile -- am hoping for a change here but we may need to file bug reports to help figure it out if not |
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| 20:28.32 | swisstomcat | waiting for a native qtwebkit that doesn't use the browser-server |
| 20:34.39 | PuffTheMagic | halfhalo, @lzolotarev Will you please sanitize the webkit code of all OE dependencies so that the rest of the world can compile it? |
| 20:34.41 | PuffTheMagic | hehe |
| 20:35.52 | halfhalo | lol |
| 20:36.00 | RagingMind | destinal_, someone in the forums claimed they could compile it and put it on their pre3 *shrugs* |
| 20:36.11 | halfhalo | eww, forums |
| 20:36.44 | RagingMind | PuffTheMagic, does wterm compile with the PDK? |
| 20:37.26 | destinal_ | RagingMind: yeah forums seem full of positive results |
| 20:37.56 | PuffTheMagic | RagingMind, u can use the PDK toolchain i believe, u still need build.git for other deps |
| 20:38.26 | destinal_ | looks like right now they're just installing the js browser though |
| 20:38.35 | destinal_ | not webkit |
| 20:48.38 | swisstomcat | yeah |
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| 20:49.41 | slick | halfhalo, you there? |
| 20:51.07 | swisstomcat | so webkit is dependent on OE? |
| 20:51.46 | halfhalo | why are random people pinging me... |
| 20:52.07 | slick | i'm wondering if you ever figured out this problem: http://pastie.org/pastes/1876708/text |
| 20:52.38 | wrea | halfhalo, you're popular now apparently |
| 20:52.40 | halfhalo | maybe? That was a few vm's ago |
| 20:52.46 | halfhalo | in any event, bbiaf meeting time |
| 20:55.32 | slick | well, i'm having trouble making glibc-2.0, it's having trouble linking with pthread support |
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| 21:09.03 | Brybry | RagingMind, wterm builds with the PDK on windows fine |
| 21:09.21 | Brybry | if you need a batch file that can build it I can probably help you out |
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| 23:42.48 | kill_dano | Installed Isis... can see any difference |
| 23:46.00 | dwc- | which part |
| 23:46.49 | kill_dano | I know it's just the gui |
| 23:47.09 | kill_dano | but was expecting atleast something new |
| 23:47.48 | kill_dano | my touchpad's white is a shade of pink :( |
| 23:49.16 | dwc- | diff says the images are different, license files are added, and the path to enyo was made relative |
| 23:50.24 | kill_dano | what images? |
| 23:50.25 | dwc- | some mock data for unit testing was added, and it was less localized |
| 23:51.31 | dwc- | looks like pretty much everything under images... the buttons, the icons, etc |
| 23:51.57 | kill_dano | hm must be very subtle |
| 23:52.01 | dwc- | the only user-visible thing I see in this skim is the default search no longer passes client=ms-palm-webOS |
| 23:52.31 | kill_dano | um still says that on mine |
| 23:52.38 | kill_dano | do I need to restart? |
| 23:52.59 | dwc- | possible |
| 23:53.14 | dwc- | I'm looking at the git repo vs my 3.0.5 touchpad doctor |
| 23:53.22 | dwc- | I have no idea what you installed anyways |
| 23:53.23 | kill_dano | cool |
| 23:53.35 | kill_dano | hehe someone posted an ipk in the forums |
| 23:53.42 | kill_dano | I'm trusting |
| 23:54.24 | kill_dano | what kenel do u use on your TP? |
| 23:54.32 | kill_dano | kernel* |
| 23:54.41 | dwc- | the default |