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| 00:39.04 | astruasdh | how can I read the documentation about the globalization framework? I did not understand the us.states.json file |
| 00:48.36 | rwhitby | astruasdh: there is none |
| 00:49.15 | astruasdh | rwhitby: ow :( I am screwed... who can help me with that? maybe some email for me to send or something... |
| 00:49.31 | rwhitby | no-one has decoded it |
| 00:52.42 | astruasdh | rwhitby: I noticed that, for the area code to work, it is needed the .areas.json... but it is simply. But without the .states file it does not work. Is there another filed that I can use as a prefix that does not need .areas.json nor .staes.json? |
| 00:53.01 | rwhitby | no idea |
| 00:53.12 | astruasdh | thanks |
| 00:53.25 | rwhitby | that area is a black hole |
| 00:54.38 | astruasdh | I am almost there... all I need is to use a 5 digits prefix instead of the 3 one used by us locale... but it will not be that simple |
| 00:56.01 | astruasdh | I will try use cic or service code instead of the area code... this workaround would save me |
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| 01:00.48 | ka6sox | rwatkins, unfortunately I am not a admin for the patch portal (well I am but I have no clue as to how to run it :D ) |
| 01:21.11 | astruasdh | rwhitby: trying now with a dummy array [-1,-1,-1,-1......-1] |
| 01:22.36 | astruasdh | working, I will generate a file for brazil with dummy values and my problem is solved |
| 01:33.02 | astruasdh | haha wtf... I removed (201) and it keeps accepting |
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| 02:34.43 | rwatkins | ka6sox: ok thanks. guess I'll just wait a few days and see. not really clear who to followup with. |
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| 02:44.20 | EricBlade-TP | hi ev1 |
| 02:53.23 | rwhitby | rwatkins: that would be me in general |
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| 03:02.09 | astruasdh | sconix: did you work with phone format? why when I start with a number less than 201 it is not recognized as area code? |
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| 03:12.34 | dwc- | what is your localization settings set to? |
| 03:12.47 | dwc- | it won't show up as a US/canada area code because none of them start with 1xx |
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| 03:41.42 | rwatkins | rwhitby: so .. patch queue .. sent one in the other night. should be a routine one |
| 03:41.54 | rwhitby | yep, should get to it today |
| 03:41.58 | rwatkins | thx |
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| 04:42.52 | astruasdh | dwc-: Brazil... but the isnt Brazil in the list |
| 04:43.26 | astruasdh | dwc-: no phones here start with 0 also.... but I to make calls, I am supposed to start with 0 for non-local calls |
| 04:49.24 | astruasdh | australias does have an area code starting with 0... i will check this case |
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| 05:04.16 | astruasdh | hmmm 0 is the trunk code |
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| 05:16.47 | astruasdh | ok... 0 is the trunk code... now the probelem is the area code... where the hack webos gets its values? |
| 05:23.35 | astruasdh | sconix: what is you webos version? |
| 05:27.47 | astruasdh | some of you with webos 3 could, please, tell me if this file exists? /usr/palm/frameworks/globalization/submission/31/formats/br.json |
| 05:27.48 | astruasdh | ? |
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| 05:31.44 | dwc- | I only have 4/4 and 48/ |
| 05:32.53 | rwhitby | astruasdh: note that you can unpack a webOS doctor to find those things out yourself |
| 05:33.27 | dwc- | s/4\/4/44\// |
| 05:33.49 | astruasdh | hmmm where can I download it? |
| 05:33.58 | astruasdh | dwc-: 44 and 48 instead of 31... ? |
| 05:34.37 | dwc- | yep |
| 05:35.00 | astruasdh | dwc-: awesome! please, could you enter in 44/formats and 48/formats and check if there is a br.json? |
| 05:35.11 | dwc- | there isn't |
| 05:35.18 | astruasdh | ;/ |
| 05:35.35 | astruasdh | thanks! |
| 05:35.56 | dwc- | 44/resources/en/(empty) |
| 05:36.16 | dwc- | oh, nevermind |
| 05:36.33 | dwc- | 48/formats/[stuff but not br] |
| 05:36.56 | astruasdh | I set up the area code with 4 digits... and change the .area.json, but it does not work, helll! |
| 05:37.16 | rwhitby | astruasdh: google "webos internals webos doctor" |
| 05:37.18 | dwc- | what do you have, a touchpad? |
| 05:37.24 | astruasdh | dwc-: veer |
| 05:37.42 | dwc- | then what I have on my touchpad on 3.0 is probably not as relevant to you |
| 05:37.51 | dwc- | but, there isn't anything for you to copy |
| 05:37.58 | dwc- | from 3.0 it looks like |
| 05:38.02 | astruasdh | thanks |
| 05:38.31 | astruasdh | what is the best version for me to try? |
| 05:38.42 | astruasdh | I mean, the latest version that runs on cellphones |
| 05:38.51 | dwc- | the veer is only known to run 2.1.0,2.1.1,2.1.2, iirc |
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| 05:39.03 | rwhitby | if you actually read that page, it will be obvious |
| 05:39.37 | astruasdh | but it does not need to be veer compatible... any other version should work because all I need is to copy brazilian phone number format |
| 05:40.10 | dwc- | that's what I said... less useful, nothing to copy from 3 |
| 05:40.55 | astruasdh | thanks |
| 05:40.57 | rwhitby | brazil phone numbers are not supported in webOS |
| 05:41.10 | dwc- | (whoops, why did I include 2.1.0 on that list, brainfart, must be time to go sleep) |
| 05:42.47 | astruasdh | rwhitby: hmmm so I have to add it. the way webos matches the calling phone against the contact list is very strange |
| 05:54.13 | astruasdh | rwhitby: the webos developers email is available somewhere? |
| 06:00.40 | hewball | rwhitby: new uberkernel on default uberkernel profile on the pre3 is alot better on battery life |
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| 06:27.48 | astruasdh | 1 webos x 0 astruasdh |
| 06:29.56 | ka6sox | astruasdh, most days its webos 42, ka6sox 0 |
| 06:30.31 | astruasdh | haha... yeah |
| 06:30.56 | astruasdh | the json file is well configures but nothing works :( |
| 06:31.08 | astruasdh | I think my veer will be used as a paer weight |
| 06:31.12 | astruasdh | s/paer/paper |
| 06:31.37 | ka6sox | naw, give it a bit of time |
| 06:31.59 | EricBlade | from what i hear those veers wouldn't even make a very good paper weight |
| 06:32.40 | EricBlade | omfg i am getting so angry at my gf's touchpad. come home at 1:00am, and the alarm on it is still going. silently. that it started at noon. |
| 06:32.43 | ka6sox | EricBlade, I love mine |
| 06:32.46 | ka6sox | use it all the time |
| 06:32.55 | EricBlade | ka6sox: yeah i was referring to it's weight :) |
| 06:33.01 | ka6sox | my son even has written apps for it. |
| 06:34.11 | EricBlade | attempting to use lcars clock as it's alarm, it works fine on my touchpad, but on hers, it's like there are two completely different versions of it that run, one in exhibition, and one outside of it, and the alarm on one of them is always silent |
| 06:34.34 | ka6sox | and the volume in general is UP? |
| 06:34.42 | EricBlade | touchvol says the volume on everything is on max |
| 06:34.52 | ka6sox | I had lcars do that when I accidentally muted |
| 06:35.06 | ka6sox | something causes it to mute...and I dont' know why |
| 06:35.24 | EricBlade | i completely removed the app last night, reset all the volumes, rebooted, reinstalled the app, and it was working fine in testing. by the time noon rolled around, it was completely silent in exhibition mode |
| 06:35.34 | ka6sox | EricBlade, the exhibition is wierd. |
| 06:35.43 | ka6sox | I take it off the TS and it works fine. |
| 06:35.55 | ka6sox | on, it doesn't |
| 06:36.25 | EricBlade | i wonder if touchstone exhibition differs from "Start Exhibition" |
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| 06:48.03 | astruasdh | ugly implementations: the country codes are harcoded in the code! |
| 06:55.33 | astruasdh | hmmm maybe I found the function that matches phone number |
| 06:55.49 | astruasdh | compare() at phone.js |
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| 07:14.55 | astruasdh | rwhitby: please, modifying the .js files is enough or do I need to compile or something? |
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| 08:43.06 | astruasdh | where the contacts is associated with the incoming call? |
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| 08:53.47 | astruasdh | where the contacts is associated with the incoming call? |
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| 10:48.46 | maxexcloo | Hey, I just used WebOS Doctor to wipe my TouchPad to 3.0.4 and now I have a message on my TouchPad saying that the HP App Catalog Download Failed |
| 10:48.55 | maxexcloo | I've tried about 10 times now |
| 10:48.59 | maxexcloo | and every time is the same |
| 10:49.00 | maxexcloo | :( |
| 10:49.06 | ka6sox | kewl! |
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| 10:52.01 | maxexcloo | No one able to help? |
| 10:52.06 | maxexcloo | This issue has me stumped |
| 10:52.07 | maxexcloo | :( |
| 10:55.36 | ka6sox | have you looked in the wiki? checked the forums? asked google? |
| 10:58.57 | ka6sox | NET "*ENRS" LOC = "S:PIN 18"; |
| 11:00.55 | maxexcloo | I have |
| 11:01.03 | maxexcloo | I've googled it many times |
| 11:01.04 | maxexcloo | :| |
| 11:02.01 | ka6sox | forums? |
| 11:02.04 | ka6sox | the wiki? |
| 11:05.00 | maxexcloo | I figured Google would have turned them up |
| 11:05.00 | maxexcloo | I'll look now, thanks :) |
| 11:07.42 | ka6sox | yw |
| 11:08.12 | ka6sox | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:08.28 | ka6sox | focus should follow eyes...not mouse |
| 11:14.19 | maxexcloo | I can't seem to find anything unfortunately :| |
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| 11:15.23 | ka6sox | then start a thread in the forums and see if anybody else has experience with that. |
| 11:15.49 | ka6sox | be specific, write down the steps you did, exactly |
| 11:16.16 | maxexcloo | I just posted into the other channels |
| 11:16.17 | ka6sox | if you used any other tools like meta-doctor write down any options you used for that too. |
| 11:16.26 | maxexcloo | OK |
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| 11:41.45 | RichT23 | maxexcloo: have you set your time / date corectly |
| 11:42.16 | RichT23 | i noted the official app cat, does that when they local time /date is out |
| 11:42.46 | maxexcloo | o.0 |
| 11:42.53 | maxexcloo | I haven't touched it |
| 11:43.09 | maxexcloo | But the battery did die at one point |
| 11:43.23 | maxexcloo | But why would that cause the HP app market to fail to run |
| 11:43.34 | RichT23 | try setting time/date then and see if that works |
| 11:43.44 | maxexcloo | I just reinstalled again |
| 11:43.47 | maxexcloo | But I will |
| 11:44.07 | maxexcloo | It's wrong, maybe you're onto something |
| 11:54.03 | maxexcloo | RichT23, didn't work :} |
| 11:55.33 | RichT23 | Worth a try ;) |
| 11:55.41 | RichT23 | did you restart ;) |
| 11:56.01 | maxexcloo | Yea |
| 11:56.07 | maxexcloo | :| |
| 11:56.31 | RichT23 | were you hopping on one leg whist you did it? |
| 11:57.00 | maxexcloo | I was breakdancing |
| 11:58.55 | RichT23 | close enough ;)# |
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| 12:13.22 | rwhitby | the wrong date causes the SSL certification verification to fail, breaking communications with the palm app catalog servers. |
| 12:20.21 | maxexcloo | ah ok |
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| 14:28.38 | hewball | cant seem to find the pre3 uboot image, anyone point me in the right direction? |
| 14:28.49 | hewball | er uimage |
| 14:42.46 | hewball | ahh that was easier compiled my own |
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| 16:00.47 | RichT23 | rwhitby: arr thats why, i did wonder what is was. =) |
| 16:01.35 | RichT23 | Oh did anything come out of the "Palm" All hands meeting? |
| 16:02.26 | summatusmentis | RichT23: if by anything you mean "we don't have a decision yet, hang tight", then yes |
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| 16:08.55 | RichT23 | arr ok then, well at least it wasnt feck you all are are taking it DOWN ;?) |
| 16:10.07 | RichT23 | i think that will be fine as ling as they pay each "palm" user $10,000,000 per device they own ;) |
| 16:11.38 | summatusmentis | yeah, they said "this is hard, we don't know, but we want to do this right" |
| 16:12.21 | RichT23 | the battle for smart phone OS is far far far from over |
| 16:13.27 | RichT23 | http://www.businessinsider.com/the-one-chart-you-need-to-see-to-understand-mobile-2011-11 |
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| 16:14.26 | RichT23 | not sure why "palm" drops of that graph in June 2011 |
| 16:15.08 | summatusmentis | well, they did say in the all hands meeting that "if we continue with webOS, it will be tablets. phones complicate things" |
| 16:15.16 | summatusmentis | or some such |
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| 16:16.26 | summatusmentis | quite frankly though, that "blue ocean" is probably at least partially driven by data costs |
| 16:17.11 | RichT23 | ya, but data costs will come down |
| 16:17.15 | RichT23 | and that is US only |
| 16:18.02 | summatusmentis | data costs will come down? they haven't yet |
| 16:18.05 | RichT23 | and as "new" phones all become "smart" |
| 16:18.08 | summatusmentis | if anything they've gone up |
| 16:18.18 | RichT23 | well they have in the UK |
| 16:18.35 | RichT23 | it use to be if you wanted data it was an extra pack on to of normal |
| 16:18.49 | RichT23 | now you get X data included in most contracts |
| 16:19.19 | RichT23 | my personal phone is a PAYG, and i get 500Mb a month included |
| 16:20.06 | RichT23 | i remember not that log ago they were trying to charge me B#1 a day up to 5Mb then B#1 a Mb after that |
| 16:21.16 | summatusmentis | that is decided not what goes on here |
| 16:21.18 | panel | hi, when I install HP webOS skd if will not istall novacom driver too ? |
| 16:21.28 | summatusmentis | "here" being the US |
| 16:22.18 | Frost | RichT23: how much do you pay for that? |
| 16:29.30 | RichT23 | Frost: if i top up by B#10 a month i get the 500Mb of data |
| 16:29.36 | RichT23 | for "free" |
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| 16:29.50 | RichT23 | and like 500 txt's |
| 16:30.37 | RichT23 | plus the B#10 goes on your call crdit |
| 16:33.19 | Frost | Ah... It's kinda interesting to compare these things. I saw an offer of 1k minutes, 1k texts and 1GB data per month for 99 SEK today (which ~9.3 GBP) |
| 16:34.03 | Frost | no, no "free" minutes btw, it was flatrate, with flat being 0. |
| 16:34.41 | Frost | gaah.. I can't brain today. My grammar is broken. |
| 16:35.39 | RichT23 | =) |
| 16:35.59 | RichT23 | Frost: thats a good deal |
| 16:36.03 | RichT23 | any how |
| 16:36.04 | Frost | Anyway, my point is that data rates aren't that ridiculously high over here :) |
| 16:36.11 | RichT23 | home time |
| 16:36.33 | RichT23 | ya most of mailland europ its protty cheep |
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| 16:54.04 | joem_work | scumbag siri http://cheezburger.com/raebis/lolz/View/5434725888 :D |
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| 17:02.56 | summatusmentis | that's... I don't see the humor |
| 17:03.12 | summatusmentis | Siri was developed with the help of the people who did WA and things |
| 17:03.19 | summatusmentis | it's sort of intended to be that way |
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| 17:51.02 | astruasdh | please, what is the function used to match discover the contact that is calling? |
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| 18:39.48 | angelote23900 | hello |
| 18:40.14 | angelote23900 | sometido Sant yo tell me ha presten preward |
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| 18:54.25 | hape | Hi I build vpnc with the wipdk. I run into the problem that it builds against libgnutls.so.13 but on the pre 3 we have libgnutls.so.26 |
| 18:54.32 | hape | How can I fix this? |
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| 19:04.17 | ka6sox | set dependency on >=.13? |
| 19:04.28 | ka6sox | or are they significantly different. |
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| 19:24.05 | hape | I think I found the problem but I do not know how to fix it |
| 19:24.15 | hape | CRYPTO_LDADD = $(shell pkg-config --libs gnutls) |
| 19:24.48 | hape | is in the makefile. I think it get the info from my system and not from thesb2 crosscompile enviroment |
| 19:25.13 | hape | as result it builds against the wrong libs |
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| 19:37.58 | wrea | hape, i doubt its building against the one on your system |
| 19:38.52 | wrea | you'll need to update the version used as the one built is libgnutls.so.13.2.2 |
| 19:42.23 | hape | wrea: stupid question, how do I do this? |
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| 20:17.27 | hape | ok, problem solfed |
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| 20:28.16 | VICODAN | afternoon |
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| 21:18.47 | ka6sox | hape, what was issue? |
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| 21:25.23 | error454 | Is uberkernel based off the base kernel source from palm or from kernel.org? I'm curious if it's possible to get the bluetooth module bluetooth.ko included. |
| 21:26.17 | VICODAN | umm i believe bluetooth works with uberkenel? |
| 21:27.05 | error454 | I'm not concerned with that |
| 21:28.32 | VICODAN | whats the problem? |
| 21:29.39 | error454 | I need bluetooth modules to run bluez utilities |
| 21:35.38 | error454 | CONFIG_BT=m would be a start and possibly all that's needed |
| 21:51.25 | VICODAN | have you looked at meta-doctor or recompiling the kernel? |
| 21:55.31 | error454 | compiling isn't the issue, distribution is the issue |
| 21:57.25 | VICODAN | well i dont know enough to help you |
| 21:57.37 | VICODAN | i thought it was a flag you could set in the makefile and recompile the kernel |
| 21:58.30 | error454 | No problem, yeah it's no problem to compile the bluetooth stuff in but a homebrew app distributing kernel modules would be problematic. For widespread distribution, I'd need uberkernel to adopt it |
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| 22:01.12 | linuxjacques | error454: if you could get an alternate bt stack working, I'm pretty sure at least one kernel would adopt it |
| 22:01.47 | error454 | linuxjacques: Are there any wiki details on the existing stack? I just don't understand why they didn't use bluez |
| 22:01.48 | linuxjacques | alternate bt stack (one supporting mice and game controllers) is very high on my wish list for the TP |
| 22:02.07 | error454 | wiimote is reason I'm doing this |
| 22:02.45 | linuxjacques | error454: I have found very few details on the proprietary stack. I think they did it that was for more control of the features/functionality |
| 22:02.57 | error454 | I just need enough details to remove the existing stack |
| 22:03.38 | linuxjacques | it's been a while since I looked at it |
| 22:03.54 | error454 | I'll look through their kernel patches and see if it's obvious |
| 22:05.56 | linuxjacques | good plan |
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| 22:12.56 | ka6sox | error454, for which device? |
| 22:13.49 | error454 | ka6sox: touchpad |
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| 23:31.00 | nightburn | rwhitby: you doing patches right now ? |
| 23:31.17 | nightburn | approving them that is ? |
| 23:32.48 | rwhitby | yes |
| 23:33.03 | nightburn | i just got the denial email for custom browser gestures and 3.0.2 |
| 23:33.13 | nightburn | the update i submitted was specific to 3.0.4 |
| 23:33.33 | rwhitby | you marked it for 3.0.2 and 3.0.4 - it failed on 3.0.2 |
| 23:33.48 | rwhitby | if it's only for 3.0.4, then only tick 3.0.4 |
| 23:33.49 | nightburn | oops, i didn't mean to mark it 3.0.2 |
| 23:34.13 | nightburn | Should I resubmit it ? |
| 23:35.50 | rwhitby | yes |
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| 23:38.20 | nightburn | rwhitby: alright, i submitted it again, sorry about that. |
| 23:41.07 | rwhitby | are you going to update the 3.0.2 version too? |
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