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| 06:02.46 | grndslm | sooo.... |
| 06:03.01 | grndslm | if i have already "sprintified" my pre 2.... |
| 06:03.26 | grndslm | i can use a regular doctor after that??? or still must be a meta'd doctor?? |
| 06:06.03 | grndslm | mm... i guess i'll just use the meta'd doctor... i'm just trying to remember if there's any other way to "hard reset" this phone without needing to grab a usb cable |
| 06:21.35 | jmichaelx | wonders whether or not the touchpad will ever have a decent ereader app... |
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| 06:31.16 | dtzWill | lame that you can't use promo codes as gifts :) |
| 06:49.26 | jmichaelx | the implentation of entire app catalog is full of lameness |
| 06:49.55 | VICODANAX | the entire touchpad is full of lameness |
| 06:50.14 | jmichaelx | i like the touchpad, but hate HP |
| 06:51.10 | VICODANAX | same here jmichaelx |
| 06:53.06 | jmichaelx | i guess there is no wonder in the fact that they bungled the touchpad.... if HP were in any way competent, they could have made webOS a halfway decent contender in the mobile OS market |
| 06:53.29 | VICODANAX | jmichaelx |
| 06:53.39 | VICODANAX | im thinking of starting my own computer company |
| 06:53.46 | VICODANAX | like dell 3.0 on steroids. |
| 06:54.04 | jmichaelx | what sorts of ideas do you have in mind? |
| 06:54.16 | VICODANAX | so |
| 06:54.22 | VICODANAX | rememberthe old school dell |
| 06:54.27 | jmichaelx | yep |
| 06:54.32 | VICODANAX | where you used to be able to customize everything |
| 06:54.39 | VICODANAX | and buiild your own cmoputer? |
| 06:54.45 | VICODANAX | my site would be like this |
| 06:54.48 | VICODANAX | 4 options |
| 06:55.04 | VICODANAX | option 1) I want the cheapest computer with the best performance possible |
| 06:55.06 | jmichaelx | lol... yea, that was all not that long ago |
| 06:55.12 | VICODANAX | option 2) i want a cheap gaming machine |
| 06:55.20 | VICODANAX | option 3) money is no object |
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| 06:55.27 | VICODANAX | option 4) let me build from scratch |
| 06:55.35 | VICODANAX | and it would pull parts from newegg |
| 06:55.41 | VICODANAX | and put everything together |
| 06:55.51 | VICODANAX | and we'd assemble it and charge you $100 |
| 06:55.56 | jmichaelx | actually, that would be sweet... people could see the reviews |
| 06:56.06 | VICODANAX | yup |
| 06:56.08 | VICODANAX | exactly |
| 06:56.11 | VICODANAX | that's my idea. |
| 06:56.54 | jmichaelx | if you had enough volume, your supplier (newegg) would cut you decent deals |
| 06:57.03 | VICODANAX | yuo |
| 06:57.05 | VICODANAX | yup |
| 06:57.26 | VICODANAX | i could put dell and hp outof business in 5 minutes |
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| 06:58.13 | jmichaelx | well... neither or those two are going away any time soon (unfortunately), but i think that model could possibly get somewhere |
| 06:58.42 | jmichaelx | you would need a fair bit of capital to get rolling |
| 06:59.10 | VICODANAX | woord |
| 06:59.18 | VICODANAX | thnks for your thoughts jmichaelx |
| 06:59.34 | jmichaelx | would love to see HP fall face-forward into the mud, as it deserves |
| 07:00.06 | VICODANAX | i would love to see someone bomb hp hq |
| 07:01.05 | jmichaelx | i have not ordered anything from Dell in several years, so i'm not sure how extensively they gutted their customization options, but i do know that they did that |
| 07:01.42 | jmichaelx | i think my 'mini 9' was the last product i ordered from them |
| 07:02.23 | jmichaelx | if your company got really big, you could buy webOS :-) |
| 07:02.55 | jmichaelx | raise palm from the ashes... |
| 07:10.50 | cryptk | I don't want to see anyone buy webOS |
| 07:11.01 | cryptk | I want to see it go open source with a company overseeing the project |
| 07:11.15 | cryptk | similar to ubuntu an Canocial... or Openstack and Rackspace |
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| 09:28.20 | jmichaelx | cryptk: could not agree more, i just imagine that HP selling webOS is more likely (providing there would ever be a buyer) |
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| 10:43.10 | mOo | other than submiting patch to admins at patches.webos-internals.org, is there a online patch checker to see if the patch applies to different version of clean webos? |
| 10:43.54 | cryptk | you can do what we do on the patch portal |
| 10:44.04 | cryptk | extract the rootfs of different webos versions |
| 10:44.13 | cryptk | then do a patch with --dry-run to see if it applies cleanly |
| 10:46.11 | mOo | where do i get that different webos version? |
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| 11:04.58 | brenner__ | i guess there is no other way to add the ext3 other than doctoring? |
| 11:05.20 | brenner__ | hrm, maybe i could memboot it and change the partition table |
| 11:06.57 | mOo | it's lvm, i'm not sure if mounted lvm partitions can be moved/resized |
| 11:08.02 | cryptk | mOo, we have a list of all of the webos doctor download links on the wiki |
| 11:08.03 | brenner__ | but as far as i understand, memboot can boot a initramfs |
| 11:08.11 | mOo | thx |
| 11:08.18 | cryptk | some of the older links don't work anymore though because HP/Palm removed the files from the server |
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| 11:11.32 | rwhitby | brenner__: Tailor is in the beta feeds |
| 11:13.57 | brenner__ | hrmm, enabling the beta feeds seems better than doctoring |
| 11:16.22 | rwhitby | Note that it's beta, so make sure you back up your data first. It hasn't killed any partitions yet, but not many people have tested it. |
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| 11:17.10 | brenner__ | backups are for pussies :P |
| 11:20.23 | cryptk | if that is your outlook... have fun ;) |
| 11:23.32 | YeahRight | can i read older pivot issues somehow? or is an issue only available for a month? |
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| 11:34.36 | brenner__ | rwhitby Tailor was in the alpha feeds and worked great, thanks |
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| 11:44.06 | rwhitby | brenner__: excellent |
| 11:58.23 | YeahRight | i dont get those pivot issues..my touchpad only shows number 04 is available "soon" and i cant read any elder ones? that is i have no clue how |
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| 12:43.52 | mOo | everytime i open the clock and unfocus it, the alarm notification is shown. how can i disable this behavior? |
| 12:49.51 | mOo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:33.33 | Abyssul-TP | Howdy |
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| 15:56.54 | lesjaw | Abyssul-TP: here i am |
| 15:57.08 | Abyssul-TP | Hey man |
| 15:57.15 | lesjaw | i can't overide platform version with impostah |
| 15:57.29 | Abyssul-TP | Whats it say? |
| 15:57.41 | lesjaw | it still an empty value |
| 15:58.36 | Abyssul-TP | Whats software version say? |
| 15:59.44 | lesjaw | first i tap Device Proflie Overide button, then choose atribute to platformversion, then i type 2.1.0 in value, then tap Set Override button |
| 15:59.54 | lesjaw | no error messege |
| 16:00.04 | Abyssul-TP | Do u have the Device Profile service override patch installed? |
| 16:00.31 | lesjaw | nope |
| 16:00.52 | lesjaw | ok opening preware now |
| 16:00.56 | Abyssul-TP | I dont understand why ur attributes are wacky to begin with. Have u ever doctored before or was the device used prior to u owning it? |
| 16:01.56 | lesjaw | no, i never doctor it.. |
| 16:02.38 | lesjaw | i can sure you that it no one doctor it |
| 16:03.58 | Abyssul-TP | Ok |
| 16:04.13 | lesjaw | ok, device profile service override pacth installed, luna rebooting now |
| 16:05.25 | lesjaw | ok, now platformVersion now said 2.1.0 |
| 16:05.46 | Abyssul-TP | What about software version |
| 16:05.53 | Abyssul-TP | And model |
| 16:06.56 | lesjaw | softwareVersion = Nova-WR-Roadrunner-108 |
| 16:07.09 | lesjaw | deviceModel = P102UNA |
| 16:07.37 | lesjaw | normal right? |
| 16:08.00 | Abyssul-TP | Nova Wr Roadrunner-108 belongs in carrierROM attribute |
| 16:08.32 | Abyssul-TP | Software version should be 2.1.0 |
| 16:08.37 | lesjaw | they are same.. |
| 16:09.03 | lesjaw | CarrierRom show Nova-WR-Roadrunner-108 too |
| 16:09.10 | Abyssul-TP | Override software version to 2.1.0 |
| 16:09.22 | lesjaw | ok |
| 16:09.37 | Abyssul-TP | Did u get this pre2 used? |
| 16:10.16 | lesjaw | yes, but the first person used for checking purpose only.. |
| 16:10.42 | Abyssul-TP | Mmk |
| 16:11.22 | lesjaw | WebOs RU still say Device = Unknown |
| 16:11.49 | lesjaw | does it need reboot? |
| 16:12.23 | Abyssul-TP | No, make sure thr |
| 16:12.46 | Abyssul-TP | The overrides worked by going to Show Device Profile |
| 16:12.59 | lesjaw | yes, override does work |
| 16:13.27 | Abyssul-TP | U can try a reboot but i think the best option is doctor |
| 16:13.50 | Abyssul-TP | Which is painless |
| 16:14.20 | lesjaw | i see, ok then i doctor it now.. |
| 16:14.28 | Abyssul-TP | Does Webos quick install work? |
| 16:14.57 | lesjaw | sometime it work sometime it doesn't, |
| 16:15.23 | lesjaw | some app installed fine, but many app giving me error output.. |
| 16:15.24 | lesjaw | even patch.. |
| 16:15.25 | Abyssul-TP | I need more details then that |
| 16:15.55 | lesjaw | ok, wait.. running WOSQI |
| 16:16.02 | Abyssul-TP | Error output by the installing is fine, we are focused on whether the program can recognize the device |
| 16:16.31 | lesjaw | ok, i'm opening device management of WOSQI |
| 16:17.14 | lesjaw | it taking so long.. |
| 16:17.38 | Abyssul-TP | Doesnt work if ur phone is still booting |
| 16:17.46 | lesjaw | device = unknown |
| 16:17.57 | lesjaw | battery = 91% |
| 16:18.01 | lesjaw | carrier = wr |
| 16:18.24 | lesjaw | Os = HP WebOS 2.1.0 |
| 16:19.07 | lesjaw | OS Customisation = wr 108 |
| 16:19.30 | Abyssul-TP | Is this att or eu gsm? |
| 16:19.35 | lesjaw | modem type = umts |
| 16:19.53 | Abyssul-TP | We are going to go with doctoring so we dont run into any problems down the road. |
| 16:20.29 | Abyssul-TP | Oh yeah, i forgot there is only one gsm for pre2 |
| 16:20.45 | lesjaw | ok |
| 16:21.10 | lesjaw | wew |
| 16:21.11 | lesjaw | touchpanel firmware = error |
| 16:22.02 | lesjaw | Abyssul-TP: what should i do? |
| 16:22.26 | lesjaw | btw, my pre 2 often self reboot, it can happen 10 times a day |
| 16:22.55 | Abyssul-TP | Send the serial number |
| 16:23.40 | lesjaw | PG9U07MB4137 |
| 16:24.01 | Abyssul-TP | http://palm.cdnetworks.net/rom/pre2/p210sfr03082011/wrep210rod/webosdoctorp103ueuna-wr.jar |
| 16:24.06 | Abyssul-TP | Download that |
| 16:24.14 | lesjaw | ok..thanks |
| 16:24.27 | Abyssul-TP | In the mean time backup any files and settings |
| 16:24.47 | Abyssul-TP | Including using save/restore, usb drive files, etc |
| 16:25.40 | lesjaw | ok |
| 16:26.13 | Abyssul-TP | Message me when u hit a road block (use my name) |
| 16:26.42 | lesjaw | ok bro..thanks |
| 16:27.36 | lesjaw | Abyssul-TP: can you give me md5sum of that file, i think i have download it.. just want to mske sure i have the correct file |
| 16:28.55 | Abyssul-TP | 477f12cc73f5d8a3a00761dcb3751e6b |
| 16:29.03 | lesjaw | thanks |
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| 16:53.58 | Abyssul-TP | Lesjaw, any progress? |
| 16:55.55 | lesjaw | still downloading |
| 16:57.02 | lesjaw | Abyssul-TP: what about palm profile, if i doctor it, i should enter my palm profile id right? |
| 16:57.34 | Abyssul-TP | It will ask for itnjust like when u got it |
| 16:58.04 | Abyssul-TP | Did the md5sum not match? |
| 16:58.34 | lesjaw | yup not match.. |
| 17:00.42 | lesjaw | as far as i remember i didn't put any palm proflie of mine, hmm.. but i can see my name in palm profile right now, and i got an email from palm for my palm profile, i guess my saler make my palm profile.. |
| 17:03.22 | Abyssul-TP | What country are u in? |
| 17:04.20 | lesjaw | indonesia |
| 17:04.45 | lesjaw | damn, i dont know my palm profile password, i got to ask my saler.. |
| 17:13.04 | lesjaw | Abyssul-TP: i'm going to delay the doctor until i got my palm profile password..hiks |
| 17:13.38 | Abyssul-TP | Ok |
| 17:14.06 | Abyssul-TP | If u get the emails then u coild have it send ur password via the palm profile website |
| 17:15.04 | lesjaw | i tried the forget password method, but they ask me my security question, which is i don't know either |
| 17:16.25 | lesjaw | Abyssul-TP: can i create another palm profile with different email, what does it effect? |
| 17:17.21 | lesjaw | will app catalog run just fine? because perhaps my curtrent palm profile was activated by UK sim.. right now i'm in indonesia..i'm afraid i cant install any app from app catalog if i create new palm profile |
| 17:17.47 | lesjaw | with indonesia sim card |
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| 17:19.24 | dwc- | you can create another palm profile |
| 17:19.43 | dwc- | if it doesn't work to your satisfaction, you can go back to trying the other one |
| 17:20.11 | lesjaw | dwc-: by redoctoring again, right? |
| 17:20.11 | dwc- | or, you can just create a UK profile (or US or whatever you have a credit card for) from impostah later |
| 17:20.33 | dwc- | no, you can reset the phone by wiping the apps/settings from the device |
| 17:20.47 | lesjaw | i see, so impostah can do this jobs.. ok.. thanks dwc- |
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| 17:28.39 | Abyssul-TP | Lesjaw, https://ps.palmws.com/palmcsext/console/pages/LoginPage.iface |
| 17:28.44 | Abyssul-TP | Use forgot password |
| 17:29.42 | lesjaw | Abyssul-TP: thanks |
| 17:30.28 | dwc- | you're not locked into any particular palm profile |
| 17:30.29 | lesjaw | Abyssul-TP: still asking security question, i don't know the answer |
| 17:31.02 | dwc- | the only thing you're locked to is the country/carrier on the device's first activation (which it sounds like your seller did) |
| 17:33.52 | lesjaw | i see |
| 17:34.10 | lesjaw | ok, finish doctoring.. rebooting now |
| 17:34.28 | lesjaw | first time i want is make google maps back :-) |
| 17:34.46 | Abyssul-TP | Man what a headache. Gmaps is gone |
| 17:35.22 | lesjaw | wew, the trick from the forum didn't work? |
| 17:39.37 | lesjaw | damn, i think i'm stuck at checking email, |
| 17:40.17 | lesjaw | as far as i can remember, pre 2 have incorrect setting for my carrier APN.. |
| 17:40.44 | Abyssul-TP | Oohhh man.... |
| 17:41.17 | Abyssul-TP | So the person u bought it from had the APN setup? |
| 17:41.45 | lesjaw | i setup it myself |
| 17:42.21 | Abyssul-TP | Oh, then u can still set that up |
| 17:42.35 | lesjaw | yes by entering phone, then preferences.. |
| 17:43.05 | lesjaw | but how do i do that, i'm in midle of entering my palm profile.. |
| 17:44.25 | Abyssul-TP | Dwc-, what do u think is best, metadoctor or bypass activation, or maybe there is a dial code? |
| 17:44.59 | lesjaw | no access to phone, only emergency mode, theres no phone preferences |
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| 17:46.39 | lesjaw | i guess thats why my saler make my palm profile by himself.. |
| 17:47.19 | darktom | where the fuck em i? |
| 17:47.28 | dwc- | try to sign in |
| 17:47.40 | dwc- | I don't know if the pre2 has the APN setup capability during first use |
| 17:47.45 | dwc- | I know the pre3 does though |
| 17:47.55 | lesjaw | dwc-: i don't know the password, my saler didn't tell me |
| 17:48.14 | dwc- | ok, then try to register a new one |
| 17:48.41 | Abyssul-TP | Guess we are at a stand still, wouldnt apn setup come before palm profile setup? |
| 17:48.51 | lesjaw | dwc-: it stuck on checking password, because there is no internet connection, incorrect APN setting |
| 17:49.24 | dwc- | Abyssul-TP: I don't know on 2.1.0. on the 2.2.3 I know there is |
| 17:49.39 | lesjaw | Abyssul-TP: nope, it gave me 3 button, Sign in, Create New and Info .. |
| 17:49.40 | dwc- | when it fails on 2.2.3, there is a "retry" and another option |
| 17:49.54 | dwc- | and that other option lets you configure APN settings |
| 17:51.00 | dwc- | failing that, you can sign in over wifi... bypass first activation via dev mode, then install impostah & use that to sign out of the palm profile, set up wifi, and restart |
| 17:51.06 | darktom | did anyone try to run android on hp touchpad? |
| 17:51.19 | lesjaw | damn, it works now..dunno why.. |
| 17:51.54 | lesjaw | profile setup finish, rebooting.. weird.. |
| 17:52.42 | Abyssul-TP | Lesjaw, magic touch |
| 17:53.07 | Abyssul-TP | Darktom, we dont talk about android here |
| 17:53.27 | lesjaw | editing APN now.. i can sure you it has wrong username and password |
| 17:53.46 | Abyssul-TP | Hehe |
| 17:55.21 | Abyssul-TP | Lol, he left |
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| 17:55.43 | lesjaw | testing WOSRU now |
| 17:56.10 | Abyssul-TP | Why do u need that? |
| 17:58.22 | lesjaw | just checking device = unknown or not |
| 17:59.31 | lesjaw | ups..still unknown |
| 18:03.02 | lesjaw | Abyssul-TP: i still can't install app from WOSQI |
| 18:03.38 | Abyssul-TP | Jeez... |
| 18:03.46 | Abyssul-TP | Dwc-, do u have a clue? |
| 18:03.59 | dwc- | I don't know what wosru is |
| 18:04.06 | dwc- | and I've only used wosqi once |
| 18:04.16 | lesjaw | webos quick install |
| 18:04.28 | dwc- | the only thing I know of with wosqi is ... are you in dev mode? |
| 18:04.29 | lesjaw | i cant isntall app internalz |
| 18:04.38 | lesjaw | yes i enable dev mode |
| 18:04.39 | Abyssul-TP | Repair utility |
| 18:04.48 | dwc- | mmm, never heard of / used it before |
| 18:05.00 | Abyssul-TP | The device returns "UNKNOWN' for an attribute |
| 18:05.11 | Abyssul-TP | For WOSQI as well |
| 18:05.38 | lesjaw | ye |
| 18:05.40 | lesjaw | yes |
| 18:05.54 | dwc- | what device is this exactly? just a regular unlocked gsm pre2? |
| 18:06.12 | lesjaw | yes |
| 18:06.24 | lesjaw | P102UNA |
| 18:06.36 | Abyssul-TP | I suggest you shoot a message to Jason |
| 18:06.38 | dwc- | then what was all the device overrides for? |
| 18:06.42 | dwc- | I'm confused |
| 18:06.59 | dwc- | what version of wosqi? |
| 18:07.25 | lesjaw | 3.14 |
| 18:07.36 | dwc- | I had success with 4.04 |
| 18:07.43 | Abyssul-TP | Why.... |
| 18:07.50 | dwc- | failing that, I would say, install the palm SDK |
| 18:08.00 | Abyssul-TP | The latest version is 4.3.1 |
| 18:08.00 | lesjaw | i have install palm sdk |
| 18:08.17 | dwc- | then get preware from get.preware.org and palm-install it |
| 18:08.17 | lesjaw | where can i download 4.3.1? |
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| 18:08.40 | Abyssul-TP | http://forums.precentral.net/canuck-coding/274461-webos-quick-install-v4-3-1-a.html |
| 18:09.26 | Abyssul-TP | At least doctoring should fix ur restarting issue |
| 18:09.35 | Abyssul-TP | So not all is lost |
| 18:10.28 | lesjaw | yes i hope so.. |
| 18:11.48 | lesjaw | this webos thing so exciting.. lol .. i have been use android since htc g1 out.. this is my first date with webos,, shame HP close webos division.. |
| 18:13.23 | Abyssul-TP | Cool :-) you wont find a community better than ours |
| 18:13.37 | Abyssul-TP | My tp is almost dead lol |
| 18:13.51 | lesjaw | tp? |
| 18:15.23 | Abyssul-TP | Touchpad |
| 18:15.45 | lesjaw | i see.. |
| 18:15.55 | lesjaw | btw, WOSQI now run fine.. i can install any app.. |
| 18:16.09 | Abyssul-TP | See, alllllllllllll of that |
| 18:16.21 | lesjaw | about WOSRU, what is the latest version, perhaps i have an old one |
| 18:16.46 | Abyssul-TP | (and maybe the repair utility doesnt work, it hasnt been updated in a while, but there isnt much usr for it anymore) |
| 18:17.09 | Abyssul-TP | RU isnt used anymore |
| 18:17.34 | lesjaw | i see |
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| 18:18.21 | Abyssul-TP | Gmaps was discontinued |
| 18:20.49 | Abyssul-TP | Well now that is settled, what else lesjaw? |
| 18:23.57 | lesjaw | Abyssul-TP: nothing for now.. thanks bro.. |
| 18:27.16 | lesjaw | dwc-: thanks to you too man |
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| 18:45.05 | dwc- | you're welcome, enjoy your phone :) |
| 18:51.31 | Abyssul-TP | 1%, 5 hour battery life on TP, how sad |
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| 20:14.04 | brenner__ | hmm, i'm new to cross compiling, i've set up a scratchbox as described in the wiki |
| 20:14.15 | brenner__ | took my little SDL testing app |
| 20:14.46 | brenner__ | compiles fine for x86, but not for arm, because it can't find libsdl for arm obviously |
| 20:15.09 | brenner__ | is there a convienient way to get that or do i have to compile every dependency myself? |
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| 21:24.51 | rwhitby | brenner__: WIDK |
| 21:26.59 | brenner__ | rwhitby i'll check tomorrow scratchbox should have an apt-get wrapper for this, but apparently my scratchbox is fsckd, will take a look at WIDK tomorrow |
| 21:30.35 | wrea | Something is fsckd here too. Was compiling pulseaudio for the extra modules, I finally got it all done and was going to test my Makefile again and then it stopped working |
| 21:31.16 | wrea | Suddenly it was looking for libsndfile in cross-compile/staging |
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| 23:14.48 | uptown | hello out there |
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| 23:52.17 | Vince42 | where in the file system reside the e-mail signatures? |