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| 00:15.18 | roadkill | summatusmentis: Except that USB > VGA gets you about 5fps, if you're lucky. |
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| 00:54.14 | summatusmentis | roadkill: I'd be primarily using it for presentations |
| 00:54.25 | summatusmentis | I'm hoping to be able to use my TP as my only mobile device |
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| 00:57.53 | roadkill | Might be halfway tolerable, then. Question is being able to get the Touchpad into USB host mode and finding a way to power the port itself. |
| 00:58.32 | roadkill | I did the Dockstar hack where you turn a USB based LCD keychain into a screen... and even at 128x128 resolution, the refresh (due to throughput) is horrendous |
| 00:58.36 | summatusmentis | yeah, the powering issue is a problem |
| 00:58.54 | summatusmentis | you can put the TP into host mode |
| 00:59.21 | roadkill | Ah, didn't know if that had already been done |
| 00:59.31 | roadkill | Next issue is drivers. |
| 00:59.42 | summatusmentis | yep |
| 00:59.57 | roadkill | I imagine each application would have to have support for an external monitor to display to. |
| 01:00.07 | summatusmentis | but in theory, if the device would work on linux, it ought to work |
| 01:00.13 | roadkill | or maybe to clone the main screen |
| 01:00.16 | roadkill | simpler. |
| 01:00.29 | hewball_ | otg only supplies 8mah at 5V from the device |
| 01:00.39 | roadkill | You know what... this may actually be of some help. |
| 01:00.50 | roadkill | http://forum.doozan.com/list.php?2,page=1 |
| 01:01.08 | roadkill | That's a forum where they talk about hacking ARM based NAS devices like the Seagate Dockstar and Pogoplugs |
| 01:01.20 | roadkill | And modify uboot to boot from USB and run Debian on the devices. |
| 01:01.24 | hewball_ | but what i was reading from the spec sheet is if the usb otg gets higher than 2.0V it would not supply power but charge the device |
| 01:01.24 | roadkill | So that's arm and linux right there. |
| 01:01.49 | wrea | Im trying to get my external wifi to work again |
| 01:01.51 | summatusmentis | roadkill: you can already run an ubuntu chroot |
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| 01:02.06 | roadkill | summatusmentis: D'oh... I keep forgetting about that. |
| 01:02.59 | roadkill | Peter also wrote support for the USB to VGA Adapters like in the Targus Universal Notebook Dock |
| 01:03.17 | roadkill | Majority of the USB to VGA adapters are similar enough to run off the same driver |
| 01:03.20 | hewball_ | USB Display adapters are Displaylink |
| 01:03.25 | roadkill | That's the name. |
| 01:03.35 | roadkill | Was looking for it |
| 01:03.36 | roadkill | heh |
| 01:04.10 | hewball_ | yeah already thought of this, if only i knew more than electroincs :( |
| 01:04.26 | roadkill | http://jeff.doozan.com/debian/lcd/ - Found it. |
| 01:04.53 | roadkill | THAT should lead you to finding whatever info you might need about the Displaylink devices. |
| 01:05.15 | roadkill | With sources and directions for building on debian (and by extension, Ubuntu) |
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| 01:06.01 | M25 | dtzWill: y you no update xorg with xrandr? |
| 01:06.23 | roadkill | A lot of cool stuff's been done with the NAS hacking and by association it should be pretty similar to get it working on the touchpad. |
| 01:08.08 | hewball_ | USB-OTG specifications, the host must be able to supply at least 8mA of current between 4.4V and 5.25V. Devices can negotiate for more current depending on whether the host can supply more power. |
| 01:08.36 | roadkill | Patch in a 5v ac adapter. |
| 01:08.58 | roadkill | Or find a micro/miniUSB splitter. |
| 01:09.27 | roadkill | The Touchpad ac adapter is capable of about 4 times the current the touchpad actually needs when charging and on full cpu load |
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| 01:09.38 | hewball_ | yeah, but as i understand the spec's if it gets more than 2V while in OTG mode it stops supplying power and charges |
| 01:09.54 | roadkill | It's current that you want to worry about. |
| 01:10.12 | roadkill | USB, at maximum, does 5v at 0.5A |
| 01:10.21 | roadkill | 2.5Watts basically |
| 01:10.38 | roadkill | The Touchpad draws about 10-15 Watts from the wall under charging |
| 01:10.49 | roadkill | the Touchpad AC Adapter does up to 40Watts |
| 01:10.57 | hewball_ | yeah they are power hungry |
| 01:11.12 | roadkill | So with a splitter, you can charge both the touchpad and power a usbvga adapter. |
| 01:11.18 | roadkill | No worries there. |
| 01:11.31 | hewball_ | or a modified USB hub is how i thought of doing it |
| 01:11.33 | M25 | roadkill: thats BRILLIANR |
| 01:11.40 | M25 | T even |
| 01:11.41 | roadkill | hewball_: That might actually work. |
| 01:12.05 | M25 | holy crap, dual screens on the tp |
| 01:12.17 | hewball_ | from what i could tell, the touch pad draws on what ever it can get, not like the ipad's |
| 01:12.21 | roadkill | but yes, the Touchpad adapter will have enough current for both the Touchpad and USBVGA adapter. It's just a matter of finding the right kind of adapter (or building one yourself) to hook everything up properly. |
| 01:12.51 | M25 | would webOS use the secondary display? |
| 01:13.25 | roadkill | (I'm more of a hardware guy as you guys probably figured out. I couldn't tell you squat about software and how to get it all working on that end) |
| 01:13.39 | hewball_ | roadkill: i was testing the charge stuff when i got the touchpad http://twitpic.com/6bgj05 |
| 01:14.01 | M25 | you know what'd be great? |
| 01:14.03 | roadkill | hewball_: What happened that you had to check it for? |
| 01:14.43 | hewball_ | roadkill: was wondering if they were using Data + - like the apple devices |
| 01:14.44 | M25 | if you had ubuntu in a chroot on the external minitor |
| 01:19.42 | roadkill | hewball: Well, that's easily avoided... if you build a cable to short the data wires. |
| 01:19.51 | roadkill | take a USB A male to female extension cord |
| 01:20.00 | roadkill | and short the data wires on the female end. |
| 01:20.11 | roadkill | Anything will charge as much as it can draw. |
| 01:20.13 | hewball_ | not if you want to use it in OTG mode too |
| 01:20.18 | roadkill | Yeah, there's that. |
| 01:21.08 | hewball_ | thats why i was looking at its charge, cos we had the same problem with ipads in cars, on how to use them and charge too |
| 01:24.08 | wrea | Okay, got wlan0 up |
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| 01:27.29 | oldtopman | Can anyone here help me with the debian chroot? |
| 01:28.04 | roadkill | hewball_: I imagine you could probably wire it up like this: http://i.imgur.com/QnnjA.png |
| 01:28.30 | hewball_ | roadkill: lets hope its that easy |
| 01:28.44 | oldtopman | owait |
| 01:29.03 | oldtopman | did a dum dum |
| 01:29.18 | roadkill | hewball_: It usually is. |
| 01:29.44 | roadkill | When it comes to power requirements of both the touchpad and usbvga adapters... |
| 01:29.57 | roadkill | they still demand less than what the touchpad ac adapter is capable of putting out |
| 01:30.00 | hewball_ | but from what i could tell, usb data pins on the touchpad wernt touched when charging which is great |
| 01:30.19 | roadkill | Which means you *probably* can short the data pins on the ac adapter side to get the full current. |
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| 01:30.47 | M25 | do keep in mind, the touchpad ad adapter will get pretty toasty if you use it like that |
| 01:31.20 | roadkill | M25: I did my load testing. It's rated for 40 Watts. It is actually only loaded by about 25 to 30% when charging the touchpad battery. |
| 01:31.21 | hewball_ | i had it charging 1A without shorting data pins |
| 01:31.30 | roadkill | That would be about 15 watts max |
| 01:31.41 | roadkill | USB at full load is 500mAh, 5v, so... another 10 watts. |
| 01:31.47 | roadkill | 25 is under 40. And pretty safe. |
| 01:32.20 | M25 | nice. |
| 01:32.22 | roadkill | Oh my bad. 2.5 Watts, I was factoring another Touchpad like load. |
| 01:32.39 | roadkill | So it's actually 15 (worst case) + 5 (overhead and usbvga)... so 20, at worst |
| 01:32.46 | roadkill | and the adapter is rated for 40 |
| 01:32.53 | roadkill | You're completely safe. |
| 01:33.27 | roadkill | 200% extra capability for current is quite nice. |
| 01:34.23 | roadkill | Still feeling iffy about it? I think we all have one of those USB Cell Phone Travel Chargers. Wire that directly up to the USBVGA adapter instead. |
| 01:35.10 | hewball_ | if i get spare time tonight ill rig up another breadboard with the touchpad in OTG mode and see what it does |
| 01:35.40 | roadkill | USB sure got a heck of a lot more confusing now that we're using input ports as host mode capable ports. |
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| 01:36.04 | hewball_ | sure does |
| 01:36.52 | roadkill | Worst yet, the micro USB3 connectors are all shoddy and unreliable. So some enclosures are putting USB A Female connectors on the drive ends... meaning you have to use a male to male cable. I shudder to think someone gets the bright idea of using one of those cables to directly hook up two computers instead. |
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| 01:37.32 | hewball_ | roadkill: it will happen, never underestimate stupid people |
| 01:37.54 | roadkill | So host mode support is breaking a lot of standards rules that were implemented to prevent exactly all this from happening ;) |
| 01:38.18 | roadkill | hewball_: USB3 is capable of 1A instead of 0.5A |
| 01:38.21 | hewball_ | yeah and the 5th pin on mini and micro usb too |
| 01:38.44 | hewball_ | roadkill: usb2 can do 1A if the device requests it and the chipset supports it |
| 01:38.51 | roadkill | Not a lot of chipsets do. |
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| 01:39.07 | roadkill | My motherboard's limited to 0.5A for each port. |
| 01:39.39 | hewball_ | nope, but as apple were first to use the spec's, its hasnt been out long |
| 01:39.50 | roadkill | But yeah. It's kinda reminding me of the whole dumbass mentality behind double male ended extension cords (groan) |
| 01:40.26 | roadkill | Exposed live blades because people were too lazy to put up christmas lights the right way |
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| 01:41.22 | hewball_ | same reason out power plugs got changed here to be plastic coated for half the plug |
| 01:41.33 | roadkill | USB "B" exists for this reason, but the enclosures aren't thick enough to take the whole plug... so they put another Female "A" end on it. Good lord. |
| 01:42.15 | roadkill | http://images17.newegg.com/is/image/newegg/17-388-031-Z03?$S640W$ |
| 01:42.19 | roadkill | That's the one I have. |
| 01:42.35 | hewball_ | yeah thats what micro was for |
| 01:42.50 | roadkill | USB3 Micro plugs aren't through mounted. |
| 01:42.57 | roadkill | Surface mounted instead. So a lot of failures. |
| 01:43.04 | roadkill | That's why they switched to the full plug |
| 01:43.17 | hewball_ | yeah ive seen that plenty on mini USB |
| 01:43.30 | roadkill | Some MiniUSB plugs had that issue, yeah |
| 01:43.48 | roadkill | Even saw surface mount Male "A" USB on thumbdrives. No, they didn't last long at all. |
| 01:43.51 | roadkill | Heh |
| 01:44.21 | roadkill | So much standards breaking going on here... |
| 01:44.31 | hewball_ | yeps, cheap card readers ive seen them on most |
| 01:44.55 | hewball_ | and ofcouse they are the ones that get pressure on them trying to push cards in |
| 01:45.09 | roadkill | oy... |
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| 01:45.33 | roadkill | Actually sliced a MicroSD card in half once that way |
| 01:45.53 | roadkill | turns out the unit didn't *quite* have enough space for the card to fit in the slot. |
| 01:47.36 | hewball_ | hmm Touchpad, displaylink and a USB optical soundcard.... giving me ideas for my car damnit |
| 01:47.44 | roadkill | heh |
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| 02:04.04 | oldtopman | Alright, I need help for real. |
| 02:04.19 | oldtopman | Can anyone help me with the Debian Chroot? |
| 02:05.21 | oldtopman | *crickets* |
| 02:05.54 | oldtopman | Anyone? |
| 02:06.54 | ka6sox | oldtopman, patience helps here. |
| 02:07.03 | ka6sox | what is the issue? |
| 02:07.39 | oldtopman | ka6sox: I can get it to launcg and run according to this ==> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Debian |
| 02:07.43 | oldtopman | launch* |
| 02:07.53 | oldtopman | But after it closes all of teh umount commands fail |
| 02:07.55 | oldtopman | the* |
| 02:08.20 | oldtopman | No apps can be launched, and USB mode complains about open cards. |
| 02:08.23 | ka6sox | what version are you using? |
| 02:08.28 | oldtopman | erm |
| 02:08.36 | ka6sox | thats deprecated. |
| 02:08.40 | oldtopman | The latest? |
| 02:08.41 | ka6sox | I should write that up. |
| 02:08.51 | ka6sox | its a preware package now |
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| 02:08.54 | ka6sox | in alpha |
| 02:08.58 | oldtopman | o.o |
| 02:09.05 | oldtopman | wait |
| 02:09.18 | oldtopman | You mean I won't need the .img file? |
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| 02:09.29 | oldtopman | Or that the chroot is on preware (I have that) |
| 02:10.28 | hmmmm | heh |
| 02:10.34 | hmmmm | so i just realized there's a flaw with my setup |
| 02:10.39 | ka6sox | the chroot is in preware |
| 02:10.44 | hmmmm | i'm linking against x86 libraries and i'm using x86 headers |
| 02:10.45 | ka6sox | and it runs X out of the box |
| 02:10.48 | oldtopman | I have the chroot. |
| 02:10.59 | ka6sox | so you get an xterm into it when you launch it. |
| 02:10.59 | oldtopman | I can get debian to run sucessfully. |
| 02:11.02 | oldtopman | Yes |
| 02:11.15 | oldtopman | But why are all the umount commands failing? |
| 02:11.16 | hmmmm | the header part shouldn't matter, so could i copy over the .pc files and header files to my touchpad and then do the compilation there? |
| 02:11.19 | ka6sox | this handles the mounts |
| 02:11.33 | ka6sox | for which version? |
| 02:11.38 | hmmmm | or what would the best way to handle this be when doing a cross compile |
| 02:11.39 | ka6sox | the one you showed me or the new on? |
| 02:12.07 | oldtopman | ka6sox: I'm using the latest chroot from preware. The .img file is from the wiki |
| 02:12.11 | ka6sox | oldtopman, lets back up a bit |
| 02:12.28 | ka6sox | hmmm |
| 02:12.33 | ka6sox | which device? |
| 02:12.36 | oldtopman | Alright :) |
| 02:12.46 | oldtopman | ka6sox: oderp. HP touchpad |
| 02:13.12 | oldtopman | spent a little too much time in touchpad-specific chans |
| 02:17.00 | ka6sox | okay |
| 02:17.12 | ka6sox | why not just use the debian in alpha? |
| 02:17.20 | ka6sox | its clean and works. |
| 02:17.49 | oldtopman | was pretty sure he wouldn't have missed something of that magnitude |
| 02:18.14 | oldtopman | I've never been the best at looking though, so I'll just go double check then |
| 02:18.42 | oldtopman | waits for his file copying to finish |
| 02:19.31 | ka6sox | okay, |
| 02:19.38 | ka6sox | it uses xecutah and x-server |
| 02:19.57 | ka6sox | needs to finish the Angstrom chroot. |
| 02:20.23 | oldtopman | I have both of those installed. |
| 02:20.55 | oldtopman | ka6sox: I don't suppose you could do a slackware/armedslack chroot, eh? |
| 02:22.07 | ka6sox | oldtopman, doesn't scratch my itch... |
| 02:22.12 | ka6sox | so probably not |
| 02:22.17 | oldtopman | T^T |
| 02:22.22 | oldtopman | Oh well. |
| 02:22.40 | ka6sox | I am looking for a lightweight chroot for smaller devices that I can still get things I want. |
| 02:22.56 | oldtopman | How do you go about making a chroot anyway? |
| 02:23.21 | oldtopman | Is there some sort of universal guide, or is it handed down from guru to guru... |
| 02:23.28 | tmzt_ | you could always put the armedslack chroot inside of the debian chroot |
| 02:23.38 | ka6sox | true |
| 02:23.39 | tmzt_ | and bind mount /etc /tmp /dev etc. |
| 02:23.49 | ka6sox | bind mount in bind mount...fun |
| 02:24.05 | oldtopman | still doesn't get why those umount commands keep failing |
| 02:24.23 | oldtopman | How could they be busy if I exited the debian chroot? |
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| 02:26.36 | oldtopman | gives jsage insomnia |
| 02:34.34 | oldtopman | ka6sox: All I see when I search for debian in Preware is the Chroot (6.0.2-6) |
| 02:35.19 | ka6sox | oldtopman, thats it |
| 02:35.35 | oldtopman | ka6sox: I already have that installed >.> |
| 02:35.44 | ka6sox | is that what is failing? |
| 02:35.49 | oldtopman | No. |
| 02:35.58 | ka6sox | okay |
| 02:36.16 | oldtopman | ka6sox: When it closes, I go to run the umount commands. |
| 02:36.33 | oldtopman | None of them umount. |
| 02:36.47 | oldtopman | Then none of the apps will work. And none of them will launch |
| 02:36.58 | ka6sox | when the 6.0.2-6 closes or your debsmall? |
| 02:36.58 | oldtopman | USB mode asks me to close all of teh cards. |
| 02:37.09 | oldtopman | ka6sox: What do you mean? |
| 02:37.42 | ka6sox | your debsmall is failing to umount or the debian chroot 6.0.2-6? |
| 02:39.02 | oldtopman | no. |
| 02:39.05 | oldtopman | hrm |
| 02:41.08 | oldtopman | ka6sox: http://pastebin.com/K204skHH |
| 02:41.26 | oldtopman | A linear graphic representation of my problem ^.^ |
| 02:41.46 | ka6sox | yes, that is a KNOWN issue |
| 02:41.52 | ka6sox | which is why its deprectated. |
| 02:42.01 | oldtopman | So what do I do? |
| 02:42.14 | oldtopman | To update/undepreciate? |
| 02:42.27 | ka6sox | since you have 6.0.2-6 that means you have a /media/ext3fs/ partition mounted right? |
| 02:43.29 | ka6sox | move the debsmall chroot to /media/ext3fs/debsmall/ |
| 02:43.37 | oldtopman | No? |
| 02:43.38 | ka6sox | and then do the mount there. |
| 02:43.41 | ka6sox | no? |
| 02:43.50 | oldtopman | 's head spins |
| 02:44.00 | oldtopman | I didn't want to partition. |
| 02:44.08 | ka6sox | scratches head....thought you said you had debian chroot 6.0.2-6 |
| 02:44.17 | ka6sox | then I can't help you |
| 02:44.27 | ka6sox | known issue...which is why we stopped doing it. |
| 02:44.28 | oldtopman | I installed it from preware. So it creates those directories? |
| 02:45.27 | ka6sox | pastebin a ls -lr of /media/ |
| 02:45.33 | ka6sox | (yes it will be LONG) |
| 02:45.55 | ka6sox | ls -l of /media/cryptofs would be interesting to see too. |
| 02:46.01 | ka6sox | (separate) |
| 02:46.11 | oldtopman | Do you want this before or after I run all of those mount commands? |
| 02:46.50 | ka6sox | becuase you should not be able to install the 6.0.2 chroot if you don't have a fstab entry and acutal mount for /media/ext3fs |
| 02:46.59 | ka6sox | (as in a partition) |
| 02:47.02 | oldtopman | oic |
| 02:47.14 | oldtopman | So you're looking for /media/ext3fs |
| 02:47.35 | ka6sox | mount | grep ext3fs pastebin'd please? |
| 02:48.02 | ka6sox | (from novaterm or ssh or whatever :D |
| 02:48.04 | ka6sox | ) |
| 02:49.11 | oldtopman | ka6sox: No results :( |
| 02:50.00 | oldtopman | /media has card,cf,cryptofs,hdd,internal,mmc1,net,ram,realroot, and union |
| 02:50.00 | ka6sox | and you are sure you have the alpha release of debian chroot installed? |
| 02:50.18 | ka6sox | okay then you *don't* have it installed. |
| 02:50.25 | oldtopman | Yes Sir/Ma'am/Transgendered person/Crossdresser |
| 02:50.27 | oldtopman | waitwat |
| 02:50.52 | ka6sox | did you put it in cryptofs as a loop file? |
| 02:51.17 | oldtopman | It's right there in my installed packages list |
| 02:51.18 | ka6sox | that would require a link though |
| 02:51.35 | ka6sox | something doesn't add up. |
| 02:51.50 | oldtopman | Okay, let me tell you hwta I did exactly. |
| 02:52.08 | oldtopman | #1) Get the Preware Xecutah, Xserver, and Xterm |
| 02:52.19 | oldtopman | #2) Get bash |
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| 02:52.34 | oldtopman | #3) Go to that page, make a 4GB image |
| 02:52.48 | oldtopman | #4) Make a script of teh first set of commands |
| 02:52.55 | oldtopman | #5) Run that script |
| 02:53.07 | oldtopman | #6) Install mc in debian, verify that it works |
| 02:53.16 | oldtopman | #7) Type in exit |
| 02:53.27 | oldtopman | #8) Run umount commands, and watch them fail |
| 02:53.37 | oldtopman | #9) Reboot touchpad because nothing works |
| 02:53.48 | oldtopman | ka6sox: That's everything I did exactly. |
| 02:54.04 | ka6sox | okay, after your experience I am definatly going to deprecate that page...immediately |
| 02:54.24 | oldtopman | Thanks? |
| 02:54.30 | oldtopman | What should I have done? |
| 02:54.38 | oldtopman | Or what can I do? |
| 02:54.38 | ka6sox | repartitioned. |
| 02:54.54 | ka6sox | becuase the way you are doing it will cause *all* the issues you are reporting. |
| 02:55.13 | SoulShadow | does debian work on the touchpad? |
| 02:55.20 | ka6sox | SoulShadow, yes |
| 02:55.23 | ka6sox | as a chroot |
| 02:55.34 | SoulShadow | think it'll ever be dual booted? |
| 02:55.36 | ka6sox | not a bootable OS yet |
| 02:55.46 | SoulShadow | i'd like tri-boot with android and debian/ubuntu |
| 02:55.47 | ka6sox | SoulShadow, maybe if you do it? |
| 02:55.52 | SoulShadow | i don't have mine yet >> |
| 02:56.01 | SoulShadow | they keep putting holds on my account |
| 02:56.06 | SoulShadow | but have yet to actuallly ship it. |
| 02:56.19 | ka6sox | oldtopman, what you need to do is partition |
| 02:56.22 | ka6sox | no way around it. |
| 02:56.30 | ka6sox | everything else is not supported. |
| 02:56.40 | ka6sox | and *will* fail.... |
| 02:56.49 | oldtopman | cries |
| 02:57.01 | oldtopman | blubbers |
| 02:57.04 | oldtopman | pleads |
| 02:58.09 | dtzWill | oh does loop-mounting a chroot image not work anymore? |
| 02:58.12 | oldtopman | swears |
| 02:58.39 | oldtopman | dtzWill: Yes, but you have to reboot afterwards. |
| 02:58.43 | dtzWill | i don't see why not :( |
| 02:59.01 | dtzWill | oh. |
| 02:59.09 | dtzWill | is that problem? or just undocumented? :) |
| 02:59.19 | oldtopman | It mounts over all of the critical stuff, and I can't umount it :< |
| 02:59.36 | oldtopman | SInce you can't start any apps or go into USB mods, you have ot restart |
| 02:59.53 | ka6sox | dtzWill, creates a mount mess |
| 02:59.58 | ka6sox | and fails in a number of ways. |
| 03:00.00 | oldtopman | I'll see what I can do about the umount commands, it seems that if you get those working, the image method will work again. |
| 03:00.12 | ka6sox | hence why we went to the separate partition route. |
| 03:00.17 | oldtopman | ka6sox: How does it fail besides mount? |
| 03:00.30 | dtzWill | well there's always the fun with mounting from the usb partition--if you try usb mode and the like |
| 03:00.34 | ka6sox | you already said it...USB |
| 03:00.36 | dtzWill | but personally i never use that? so nbd for me. |
| 03:00.37 | ka6sox | and OTA |
| 03:00.43 | oldtopman | touche |
| 03:01.04 | ka6sox | we abandoned this method for the *exact* reasons you are mentioning. |
| 03:01.09 | oldtopman | ka6sox: If I do get the umount fixed, I'll find you so you can edit the wiki page for meh |
| 03:01.21 | dtzWill | well those aren't dealbreakers for everyone, but yeah we don't wanna force those onto people following guides |
| 03:01.26 | oldtopman | will rise to become t3h 1337 haxor that saves the image method |
| 03:01.41 | ka6sox | the image method is DEAD... |
| 03:01.51 | oldtopman | And on that baseless optimisim it's time to end. thank you and GOOD NIGHT! |
| 03:02.08 | ka6sox | it need to be buried and forgotten. |
| 03:02.10 | oldtopman | ka6sox: Thanks! |
| 03:02.16 | ka6sox | niters! |
| 03:06.12 | tmzt_ | what was the issue with it? |
| 03:07.34 | dtzWill | tmzt_: unmaintained documentation as a result of it generally being of the nature "if you know enough to not have issues with this you don't need this guide anyway" |
| 03:07.57 | dtzWill | not a stand i think happened intentionally, mind you, just that is probably why it's the case |
| 03:08.45 | tmzt_ | by the way, I didnd't suggest this to jc but moboot should support a one boot mode if needed, to allow it to resize a partition or whatever without everything mounted |
| 03:08.50 | tmzt_ | and then come back to webos |
| 03:09.38 | dtzWill | tmzt_: if you boot the recovery image it has the needed lvm tools--i wonder if one couldn't script that if they were so inclined. |
| 03:09.50 | tmzt_ | right that's what I mean |
| 03:09.57 | dtzWill | well anyway, there's work on an on-line tool that does the same from a nice gui and the like, not sure of the status though... |
| 03:09.59 | tmzt_ | like having a /boot/onetime symlink |
| 03:10.14 | tmzt_ | that always overrides /boot/default |
| 03:10.33 | ka6sox | it can be done that way, its a question of safety and understanding what needs to be done in what order. |
| 03:11.11 | ka6sox | too much crying if it fails. |
| 03:13.15 | ka6sox | guaranteed someone will lose the *only* picture they have of their grandmother on the TP. |
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| 03:25.01 | actionfigure | hello...i need help ....i just got a palm pre plus and unlocked it for t-mobile. i tried the devicetool.jar and the webosdoctorp101ewwatt.jar and neither seem to work... i installed the latest java and sdk with novacom...i can not seem to create a profile..i also tried #*devmode#.....anyone? |
| 03:25.37 | scoutcamper | actionfigure, what is devicetool.jar ? |
| 03:26.12 | actionfigure | so i can bypass the activation |
| 03:26.17 | ka6sox | actionfigure, what wikipage are you using? |
| 03:26.20 | scoutcamper | oh, right, the bypass activation thing |
| 03:26.41 | actionfigure | ka6sox: ive been on over 10-15 sites |
| 03:26.46 | actionfigure | i dont recall o_O |
| 03:27.12 | actionfigure | ive been at this since 2pm and now its 8:30pm :\ |
| 03:27.39 | ka6sox | actionfigure, okay, if you don't know and we've never seen it in our wiki, I'm not sure we can help you with something so nebulous |
| 03:27.40 | actionfigure | i see the t-mobile at the top left corner |
| 03:28.05 | scoutcamper | actionfigure, how did you get it unlocked? |
| 03:28.05 | actionfigure | im not sure what you mean |
| 03:28.14 | actionfigure | scoutcamper: yes... |
| 03:28.40 | scoutcamper | actionfigure, 1.4.5 or 2.0? |
| 03:28.45 | actionfigure | i did the hold the volume up, connect the usb, then the battery to get the usb logo thing |
| 03:29.01 | actionfigure | scoutcamper: i think its 1.4.5..i cant check :( |
| 03:29.47 | actionfigure | i even tried to start novacom |
| 03:29.50 | actionfigure | novacom |
| 03:29.50 | actionfigure | failed to connect to server |
| 03:30.06 | ka6sox | actionfigure, unless you an point to the wiki where you are getting this informtion then we have NO idea of what you are talking about. |
| 03:30.13 | ka6sox | and its not something we would know about. |
| 03:30.41 | actionfigure | ka6sox: ill have to go back to all the sites ive gone too |
| 03:30.58 | actionfigure | is there is a method you know...i dont see why i need to tell you what sites ive been too.... |
| 03:31.07 | actionfigure | like i said..ive tried soooo many things |
| 03:31.11 | actionfigure | im about to give up now |
| 03:31.27 | ka6sox | because, we don't support things that aren't in our wiki |
| 03:31.35 | actionfigure | ohok |
| 03:31.39 | ka6sox | and I"m sure that jar isn't something we use. |
| 03:31.39 | actionfigure | i didnt know that |
| 03:31.58 | actionfigure | ka6sox: can you provide me the link please? |
| 03:32.04 | actionfigure | id love to read it... |
| 03:32.44 | actionfigure | without all those programs i read to install....the main thing is that i can not creat a profile |
| 03:32.48 | ka6sox | lmgtfy |
| 03:33.17 | ka6sox | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/WebOS_2_Upgrade |
| 03:33.55 | actionfigure | thanks |
| 03:35.09 | actionfigure | well...it sounds just like all the other sites ive been too |
| 03:35.16 | actionfigure | same thing |
| 03:35.25 | actionfigure | novacom, the webdoctor |
| 03:35.29 | actionfigure | and the sdk |
| 03:35.31 | actionfigure | same thing |
| 03:35.53 | ka6sox | but you came here asking about a jar file we don't have in our proceedure... |
| 03:36.03 | ka6sox | so thats why I kept asking. |
| 03:36.40 | ka6sox | and I have no idea as to what that jar does. |
| 03:37.11 | actionfigure | the jar files are the devicetool which is for activation and the other one is the webdoctor |
| 03:37.25 | ka6sox | not in our proceedure kemosabe. |
| 03:37.38 | ka6sox | so its "off the reservation" |
| 03:38.08 | actionfigure | ok |
| 03:40.19 | actionfigure | thanks for your help |
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| 04:14.51 | PatrickC | anyone else having trouble membooting their pre3 with webos 2.2.3? |
| 04:15.18 | ka6sox | PatrickC that makes NO sense |
| 04:15.39 | PatrickC | ka6sox, whenever i try and run the memboot command, it tells me no devices found |
| 04:15.40 | PatrickC | when m |
| 04:15.45 | ka6sox | you dont' memboot webos 2.2.3, you memboot a kernel |
| 04:15.50 | PatrickC | my pre3 is plugged in and in recovery mode |
| 04:16.06 | PatrickC | ka6sox, im wanting to memboot so i can run the lv commands |
| 04:16.19 | PatrickC | i want to resize my partitions. |
| 04:17.19 | PatrickC | novacom boot mem:// < nova-installer-image-mantaray.uImage |
| 04:17.30 | PatrickC | works on the touchpad |
| 04:17.43 | PatrickC | (using the touchpad's uImage) |
| 04:18.09 | ka6sox | what wikipage are you following exactly? |
| 04:18.16 | uNiXpSyChO | puts on BOFH cap |
| 04:19.07 | uNiXpSyChO | wonders when it's needed to memboot a kernel to resize LVM part |
| 04:20.30 | ka6sox | uNiXpSyChO, because he is using an installer image and that drops him in a shell in /boot |
| 04:21.59 | uNiXpSyChO | still never stopped me from resizing. maybe my method is brute force. |
| 04:22.09 | ka6sox | which has lv.static defined. |
| 04:22.38 | ka6sox | uNiXpSyChO, yes, me too...but then we are "experienced" @ doing this...very experienced and know the pitfalls. |
| 04:22.49 | uNiXpSyChO | true |
| 04:23.11 | ka6sox | he is "cutting and "pasting" which does not show an understanding of that. |
| 04:23.42 | halfhalo | cuts and pastes.. but he is lazy |
| 04:23.47 | uNiXpSyChO | that sounds "Windows"-ish |
| 04:24.05 | ka6sox | halfhalo, but you *know* what to do if it breaks...you doctor. |
| 04:24.05 | PatrickC | ka6sox, i understand the commands |
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| 04:24.30 | uNiXpSyChO | goes back to looking at 500,000+ BGP routes... |
| 04:24.31 | PatrickC | i copy/pasted to make sure that i didnt misspell anything |
| 04:24.44 | ka6sox | PatrickC, exactly *which* wikipage are you following to do this? |
| 04:25.01 | PatrickC | none. it isnt documented on the wiki page |
| 04:25.13 | PatrickC | i am following instructions ive used many times before |
| 04:25.29 | ka6sox | WHICH INSTRUCTIONS EXACTLY? |
| 04:25.41 | PatrickC | they are in an email |
| 04:25.49 | PatrickC | from someone who knows all about linux |
| 04:25.57 | PatrickC | and has used them before |
| 04:26.09 | halfhalo | noms popcorn |
| 04:26.12 | ka6sox | okay so you have an email, which none of us have, and you are asking us to help you solve a problem where we don't have the same documtation you have? |
| 04:26.55 | PatrickC | http://pastebin.com/SJQar7Bp |
| 04:27.02 | PatrickC | thats an exact copy of the email |
| 04:27.04 | uNiXpSyChO | grabs popcorn |
| 04:27.14 | halfhalo | that will be 16.50. |
| 04:27.21 | wrea | a minute |
| 04:27.51 | uNiXpSyChO | puts back popcorn... for beer. |
| 04:28.35 | halfhalo | 6.75. |
| 04:28.51 | uNiXpSyChO | it should be happy hour....somewhere... |
| 04:29.19 | ka6sox | hawaii |
| 04:29.27 | ka6sox | 6:29 |
| 04:29.31 | ka6sox | pm |
| 04:29.45 | halfhalo | 1.50 beers for all! |
| 04:29.47 | uNiXpSyChO | hops on SR71... will be there in 1 hour from east coast. |
| 04:30.02 | ka6sox | 1.75hrs |
| 04:30.06 | uNiXpSyChO | LOL |
| 04:30.12 | ka6sox | but who's counting |
| 04:30.14 | halfhalo | doesn't turn 21 for 35 more days :( |
| 04:30.16 | uNiXpSyChO | hehe |
| 04:30.59 | wrea | I'm 23 and I dont drink :P |
| 04:31.03 | ka6sox | uNiXpSyChO, you would have to fly over canada or mexico as the US doesn't allow supersonic flights in its controlled airspace (unless you are so high no-one can catch you) |
| 04:31.26 | halfhalo | buuutttt... I will be 21 for CES and all its openbarryness |
| 04:31.49 | ka6sox | okay back to PatrickC's little "issue" |
| 04:32.01 | uNiXpSyChO | ka6sox: i would plan to fly high and fast... no need to send up interceptors. |
| 04:32.40 | ka6sox | this *is* off the reservation....by a LONG ways... |
| 04:33.03 | ka6sox | since now I am certain that a lot of skript kiddies will use it to destroy their devices. |
| 04:33.07 | uNiXpSyChO | broken arrow |
| 04:33.23 | ka6sox | uNiXpSyChO, um....unarmed right? |
| 04:33.34 | ka6sox | its not a Y-12 |
| 04:33.51 | uNiXpSyChO | ka6sox: of course... unless i was flying a B47 |
| 04:34.18 | ka6sox | wait... YA-12? |
| 04:34.29 | uNiXpSyChO | YF-12? |
| 04:34.31 | ka6sox | ya |
| 04:34.34 | uNiXpSyChO | something like that |
| 04:34.39 | ka6sox | maybe that one. |
| 04:34.47 | uNiXpSyChO | digresses.... |
| 04:34.51 | ka6sox | indeed. |
| 04:35.30 | halfhalo | noms |
| 04:36.45 | ka6sox | PatrickC, that is not a method we recognize for doing this. and its UNSAFE. |
| 04:37.01 | PatrickC | ka6sox, ok. |
| 04:37.09 | PatrickC | might i ask how/why it is unsafe? |
| 04:38.46 | ka6sox | because blindly resizing your /media/internal is a dumb thing. |
| 04:38.57 | PatrickC | ok |
| 04:39.37 | ka6sox | and I really don't want to be losing the *only* picture of your dying grandmother with all the grandkids because of this *dumb* thing. |
| 04:42.39 | ka6sox | this is NOT to be done by anyone who doesn't completely understand the risks.... |
| 04:42.50 | ka6sox | and with this there are MANY. |
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| 04:43.58 | ka6sox | I would burn that email, and forget you ever saw it. |
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| 04:50.44 | NuttyBunny | looks around |
| 04:50.58 | PatrickC_Away | hides |
| 04:51.21 | ka6sox | hiya NuttyBunny |
| 04:51.25 | halfhalo | flicks lighter onto gas and runs |
| 04:51.57 | NuttyBunny | hey :-) |
| 04:54.22 | wrea | Well, I think Kismet is in working order |
| 04:57.14 | NuttyBunny | installs it to try |
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| 04:59.25 | NuttyBunny | meh.. I won't configure it now. maybe tomorrow. I leave you to play with your ext3fs chroots :-) |
| 05:01.30 | ka6sox | have fun! |
| 05:02.30 | NuttyBunny | I've been having so much fun :-) |
| 05:03.30 | NuttyBunny | mount internal and cryptofs, and you can devel from inside the chroot. Add a luna clear cache and you can even reload your apps without restarting luna :D |
| 05:06.22 | ka6sox | NuttyBunny fun...till you try to put it in USB mode. |
| 05:07.11 | NuttyBunny | does not do usb mode at all. That's what sftp was made for :-) |
| 05:07.45 | ka6sox | true |
| 05:08.04 | NuttyBunny | it works this way for me, and I use this way. I don't recommend and I haven't even documented because it can be dangerous :-) |
| 05:08.20 | NuttyBunny | in fact, I prefer |
| 05:08.44 | NuttyBunny | to use usb in host mode from within the chroot |
| 05:09.05 | tmzt_ | why is lvm resizing dangerous? |
| 05:09.10 | tmzt_ | because of the resizefat part? |
| 05:10.21 | NuttyBunny | who said it's dangerous? resizefat takes care of everything first, then you use lvmresize |
| 05:10.34 | tmzt_ | looks like ka6sox did |
| 05:10.52 | ka6sox | tmzt_, yes, because blindly following a resize with a fixed amount already in there and not bothering to check how much is already in use on the device first is reckless. |
| 05:11.11 | tmzt_ | a good resizer won't resize under the used amount |
| 05:11.14 | NuttyBunny | Of course, I don't do that, I backup everything, nuke my partitions and recreate them |
| 05:11.24 | tmzt_ | this is true of resizext2fs and ntfsresize at least |
| 05:11.33 | tmzt_ | I had never heard of fatresize so I couldn't tell you |
| 05:11.33 | scoutcamper | just uses meta-doctor like a normal person |
| 05:11.59 | tmzt_ | if you fsck.vfat first, the clusters are moved into the used part of the partition |
| 05:12.12 | tmzt_ | sorry, I don't know if that defrags |
| 05:12.27 | tmzt_ | it's possible the resizer does it for you, fat is simple enough |
| 05:12.42 | ka6sox | I am not arguing that the 3 of us would have an issue, I am saying that following *any* script that doesnt' bother to check first is dangerous. |
| 05:13.27 | NuttyBunny | ka6sox: I don't use scripts nor follow them. I do things by hand :-) |
| 05:14.08 | scoutcamper | if i put my mind to it i could learn the scripts and commands, but i have no reason to |
| 05:14.57 | halfhalo | And I'm just lazy! |
| 05:15.14 | NuttyBunny | scoutcamper: 2 layers of usage depth. I love to see the guts of my devices, gives me way more control on that I'm doing :-) |
| 05:15.14 | tmzt_ | well, for me a big part of this is learning how these things work and removing the abstractions |
| 05:15.43 | tmzt_ | it's a linux device, an emmc, it boots initrds easily from bootie (and easier from moboot if that ever comes to the omaps) |
| 05:15.49 | tmzt_ | it gives you full control |
| 05:16.05 | tmzt_ | you just have to be willing to learn, think, analyse, dconstruct, and apply |
| 05:16.37 | scoutcamper | says meh, sleep is better right now |
| 05:16.43 | scoutcamper | and on that note ... |
| 05:17.05 | tmzt_ | trenchcoat just reads an xml file and executes some commands, it's certainly not neccessary to use the installer image |
| 05:17.09 | tmzt_ | anyway, yeah |
| 05:18.32 | ka6sox | everyone wants to do this *without* doctoring. |
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| 05:20.04 | ka6sox | there is a right way that acutally makes sure things don't blow up. |
| 05:20.29 | ka6sox | (or at least tries to minimize this) |
| 05:21.47 | NuttyBunny | yep. but people love scripts and automation. the easier the better |
| 05:22.11 | wrea | yup |
| 05:23.19 | ka6sox | well... |
| 05:23.48 | ka6sox | unless you *know* what you are doing just blindly runnign things like jar files or scripts you have no clue about that can ruin your device... |
| 05:24.08 | tmzt_ | but installer and doctor are just that |
| 05:24.19 | tmzt_ | they are tested scripts that you run blindly on your device |
| 05:24.28 | NuttyBunny | exactly, like the pretty bug Microsoft put in windows to blow our meta-doctors in cygwin :D |
| 05:26.32 | NuttyBunny | tmzt_: you just hit the spot: TESTED scripts. That's the reason for the meta-doctor, you have test scripts and "production" scripts. Normal people should just use the tested ones. It's the safest and easiest thing for them |
| 05:27.03 | NuttyBunny | you don't want to get into the mess I made for the 2.1 pixis ;-) |
| 05:36.23 | NuttyBunny | ok. gotta go, have to wake up early (in 4:30hrs). Cya! |
| 05:36.40 | ka6sox | yikes! |
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| 06:02.58 | stalane | hi guys. anyone know if there is a way to change the default camera photo save jpg compression quality? |
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| 06:17.51 | ka6sox | stalane, did you look and see if there is a patch? |
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| 06:26.30 | elfurbe | Anyone here that's familiar with the VPN network stack or the messaging application? I'm having some issues getting the messaging app to use an established VPN tunnel, it insists on traversing the physical interface ip. |
| 06:28.55 | dwc- | have you checked your kernel routing tables to verify that those rules are correct for the destination? |
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| 06:30.36 | elfurbe | yeah, it sure seems like all the routes are in place |
| 06:31.08 | ka6sox | then you might need to add a hosts entry to force it to use the VPN. |
| 06:31.32 | dwc- | what IP are you trying to connect to... and can you pastebin your routing tables? |
| 06:33.05 | dwc- | also the output of ip route get <destip> |
| 06:33.16 | elfurbe | oh, sure. I did add the hosts entry, I'm trying to use the messaging hack where you hosts entry redirect talk.google to your own server |
| 06:33.28 | ka6sox | I doubt that he is asking the right question of the right DNS server for the answer. |
| 06:33.35 | rwhitby | eliasp: Disable profile (from app menu in profiles screen), then uninstall Govnah, will remove everything. |
| 06:34.13 | elfurbe | hold on, lemme switch to my laptop and novaterm the pad. |
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| 06:35.00 | ka6sox | so he won't be able to provide the right answer. |
| 06:35.47 | dwc- | I thought the host.conf picked hosts first |
| 06:35.53 | ka6sox | it does |
| 06:35.59 | ka6sox | but first he has to know the answer |
| 06:36.05 | ka6sox | and I doubt he will. |
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| 06:36.31 | ka6sox | because the resolver won't be pointed to the VPN's dns |
| 06:36.33 | ka6sox | (inside) |
| 06:36.57 | dwc- | well, if he has no answer, then it'd be curious to know what went into /etc/hosts |
| 06:37.16 | elfurbe | So DNS isn't the issue |
| 06:37.30 | ka6sox | okay, why not? |
| 06:37.32 | elfurbe | It's not a local-only address, the publicly resolvable address is the right one |
| 06:37.48 | elfurbe | The firewall access is just limited to known VPN subnets |
| 06:37.49 | ka6sox | okay so you need a route for that domain to go via the tunnel. |
| 06:37.52 | elfurbe | Right |
| 06:37.58 | elfurbe | Which the client is creating |
| 06:38.28 | elfurbe | lemme get the pastebin for you, did you guys just want to see a route output? |
| 06:39.08 | *** part/#webos-internals Framework|ZzZzZ (~framework@unaffiliated/framework) |
| 06:39.12 | ka6sox | since its a routing issue then yup please. |
| 06:39.13 | elfurbe | http://pastebin.com/4fHBys48 |
| 06:39.35 | elfurbe | The destination server is 128.196.130.17 |
| 06:40.36 | elfurbe | Line 15 should cover that destination, yes? |
| 06:40.51 | dwc- | yep. what does ip route get say |
| 06:41.10 | dwc- | and also a traceroute might be useful too |
| 06:41.27 | elfurbe | http://pastebin.com/vTARAJTA |
| 06:41.27 | ka6sox | ya, that route is there.... |
| 06:41.31 | dwc- | you guys have a lot of small netblocks |
| 06:41.44 | elfurbe | We're an edu, we're rife with odd network spaces |
| 06:41.58 | halfhalo | welcome to my world |
| 06:42.01 | elfurbe | Most of our stuff is in the two big class Bs |
| 06:42.05 | elfurbe | But you know |
| 06:42.18 | |Jason8| | wtf |
| 06:42.21 | |Jason8| | two class Bs |
| 06:42.26 | elfurbe | :D |
| 06:42.28 | |Jason8| | that's what I need for my house. :( |
| 06:42.43 | elfurbe | Get an ipv6 from hurricane, more IPs than you can shake a stick at :D |
| 06:42.44 | *** join/#webos-internals lonewulf` (~Administr@99-117-247-32.lightspeed.stlsmo.sbcglobal.net) |
| 06:42.46 | |Jason8| | That's only what, 65k addresses? |
| 06:42.54 | dwc- | yea, but I see bunch of smaller ones |
| 06:42.56 | |Jason8| | per |
| 06:43.03 | dwc- | I didn't have anything to say about the /16s |
| 06:43.03 | elfurbe | And we're out, if you can believe that |
| 06:43.10 | elfurbe | Yes |
| 06:43.16 | elfurbe | We have a ton of smaller ones |
| 06:43.19 | elfurbe | I was just commenting |
| 06:43.40 | dwc- | ip route get 128.196.130.17, not just ip route |
| 06:43.53 | elfurbe | Can do, one moment |
| 06:43.55 | elfurbe | Sorry |
| 06:44.00 | dwc- | just want to make sure it resolves the right answer, not just what we think it should match :) |
| 06:44.33 | elfurbe | That makes sense, I didn't read your whole message, my mistake :D |
| 06:44.51 | elfurbe | http://pastebin.com/GuUAdVK3 |
| 06:45.24 | ka6sox | that should work. |
| 06:45.29 | dwc- | that looks right |
| 06:45.34 | dwc- | and does a traceroute route through the VPN? |
| 06:45.37 | ka6sox | is babble inside your FW or outside? |
| 06:47.03 | elfurbe | Inside |
| 06:47.27 | ka6sox | then the tracert would help. |
| 06:47.51 | elfurbe | Ok, lemme run it |
| 06:48.51 | elfurbe | Timing out after the second hop |
| 06:49.46 | elfurbe | Looks like it's hitting our core router in the DC and that's as far as it's getting |
| 06:49.57 | elfurbe | traceroute wise at least |
| 06:50.16 | ka6sox | when you are @ uni tommorrow then do the same and see what happens. |
| 06:50.24 | ka6sox | (and what subnet you are on from there) |
| 06:50.57 | *** join/#webos-internals mir_ (6b1f94d7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.31.148.215) |
| 06:51.04 | elfurbe | I'm on a locally permitted subnet at my desk on the wired, but our wifi is isolated, so same VPN situation |
| 06:51.06 | *** join/#webos-internals playya__ (~playya@unaffiliated/playya) |
| 06:51.54 | ka6sox | well, then you can bring it up to IT after you run a few more tests and have good data to show them. |
| 06:52.03 | elfurbe | <-- is IT |
| 06:52.07 | elfurbe | That's my server |
| 06:52.19 | elfurbe | And networks, firewall etc |
| 06:52.20 | ka6sox | :) |
| 06:52.40 | elfurbe | This works with a regular computer, but not on my touchpad |
| 06:52.52 | elfurbe | Which kinda chaps my ass :D |
| 06:53.09 | dwc- | aaand my home net just died yay |
| 06:53.31 | ka6sox | laptop with same test.... |
| 06:53.37 | ka6sox | (tests) |
| 06:53.42 | dwc- | and this is less than visible on the pre so I'm going to sleep |
| 06:53.50 | ka6sox | niters |
| 06:54.32 | dwc- | +1 t repeating/comparing test results with laptop |
| 06:54.49 | dwc- | night, good luck |
| 06:54.59 | elfurbe | Can do, hold please :D |
| 06:55.11 | ka6sox | but those routing tables look good. |
| 06:55.34 | ka6sox | if it were on the TP end you should see it @ the first hop. |
| 06:56.21 | elfurbe | Yeah, I'd expect that too, but the firewall logs show attempted connects from my home internet IP when I try |
| 06:56.26 | elfurbe | Which just baffles the hell out of me |
| 06:57.11 | ka6sox | they aren't being encapsulated then...which sounds wierd. |
| 06:57.13 | dwc- | after that, maybe sniffer time |
| 06:57.28 | ka6sox | wireshark FTW. |
| 06:57.36 | ka6sox | (or tcpdump) |
| 06:58.01 | elfurbe | From laptop: http://pastebin.com/3b5NV4kG |
| 06:58.12 | dwc- | and I assume you used telnet to test as well? |
| 06:58.24 | elfurbe | From the touchpad? |
| 06:58.38 | elfurbe | Man, if you can tell me how to get telnet installed, I will try that, but I couldn't find it in the repos |
| 06:58.41 | dwc- | just in case the icmp/udp is under different rules) |
| 06:59.01 | dwc- | ipkg-opt... inetutils I think it is |
| 06:59.22 | elfurbe | ah, sweet. Installing now |
| 06:59.46 | elfurbe | Oh, hey that seems like it connected |
| 06:59.59 | ka6sox | assuming he has installed optware, and the bootstrap |
| 07:00.06 | dwc- | or just netcat |
| 07:00.22 | ka6sox | ip addr would be nice too. |
| 07:00.35 | ka6sox | so I can see what you were assigned for IPs and subnets. |
| 07:01.02 | ka6sox | since the GW's differ by only 1 IP address. |
| 07:01.44 | dwc- | getent hosts talk.google.com? |
| 07:01.59 | elfurbe | You want all of ip addr output on the tpad or just the end? |
| 07:02.12 | dwc- | and... verify that name... not sure what hostname webos connects to |
| 07:02.14 | elfurbe | I have optware :D |
| 07:02.22 | elfurbe | Ok |
| 07:02.25 | ka6sox | elfurbe, the tuntap ones |
| 07:02.47 | ka6sox | on both lappy and TP |
| 07:02.59 | elfurbe | There's a cscotun0, I assume that'll do? |
| 07:03.15 | ka6sox | yes, thats the TAP |
| 07:03.20 | ka6sox | sorry |
| 07:03.21 | ka6sox | UTN |
| 07:03.25 | ka6sox | bleh TUN |
| 07:04.05 | ka6sox | gw is 71 for working and 72 for non-working |
| 07:04.20 | ka6sox | but that maybe something else once I see the masks |
| 07:06.32 | ka6sox | sb this: 255.255.252.0 |
| 07:08.00 | *** join/#webos-internals stalane (~stalane@unaffiliated/stalane) |
| 07:08.14 | elfurbe | Ok, I think this is everything you asked for: http://pastebin.com/w29Dc69E |
| 07:08.49 | *** join/#webos-internals ajay_ (~ajay@157.22.13.236) |
| 07:08.51 | ajay_ | hola |
| 07:08.52 | elfurbe | The getent returns the right ip |
| 07:09.21 | elfurbe | talk.google.com is what the thread mentioned as the hostname one needed an entry for |
| 07:09.45 | elfurbe | And I think that part is working cause the firewall sees the connection it's just from the wrong IP |
| 07:09.59 | ajay_ | is there some talk of google voice stuff on webOS, is that what i'm missing?? sounds exciting! |
| 07:10.18 | elfurbe | Heh, no. Just trying to get Messaging to talk to my edu's jabber server |
| 07:10.50 | ka6sox | elfurbe, who runs the VPN server...you do? |
| 07:11.20 | elfurbe | Well, no. It's a cisco vpn rig, there's a different team for that, sadly |
| 07:11.32 | ka6sox | right, |
| 07:11.45 | elfurbe | Well, I say rig like it's a hack job or something, it's a big ass cisco concentrator, can't remember the model off-hand |
| 07:11.48 | ka6sox | they are both in the same subnet so the core router shouldn't care |
| 07:11.58 | elfurbe | Yeah, that's what I'm thinking |
| 07:12.08 | ka6sox | should handle both the same. |
| 07:13.53 | ka6sox | if the FW is seeing it outside the tunnel then the tunnel is failing. |
| 07:14.11 | ka6sox | try poking to something else you know and see if it does the same thing. |
| 07:14.36 | ka6sox | (and try other subnets too where you know its supposed to be working) |
| 07:15.23 | elfurbe | Yeah, I'm trying to generate some log output now |
| 07:15.39 | elfurbe | Been having some issues with our log transfer to the monitoring host |
| 07:17.18 | ka6sox | you have an interesting routing issue...but in the end thats all it is. |
| 07:17.52 | elfurbe | Hrm |
| 07:18.18 | elfurbe | That just doesn't track with the fact that telnet works and makes it through but messaging doesn't |
| 07:18.35 | ka6sox | telnet to the *same* server? |
| 07:18.38 | elfurbe | yes |
| 07:18.40 | elfurbe | same port even |
| 07:18.58 | ka6sox | have you rebooted, brought up the tunnel then tried the messaging app? |
| 07:19.15 | elfurbe | Yeah, several times |
| 07:19.48 | ka6sox | and it still goes outside the tunnel? |
| 07:20.18 | elfurbe | Yeah, though I can't show you that with any output right now |
| 07:20.34 | elfurbe | I'm trying to get some tcpdumps going on both ends to see what looks different |
| 07:21.46 | ka6sox | if its not sending inside the tunnel then the routing is messed up in the TP and ignoring the tables. |
| 07:22.04 | ka6sox | *or* it thinks the tunnel is not up. |
| 07:22.08 | elfurbe | Well, I'm trying to get a tcpdump from the tpad to see if that's true |
| 07:28.20 | elfurbe | I can't see the tpad trying to even connect to anything on port 5222 when I hit the sign in button |
| 07:28.38 | elfurbe | Perhaps the hosts change isn't doing what I think it's doing |
| 07:28.47 | elfurbe | But man, I had logs when I tried this the other night |
| 07:33.11 | *** part/#webos-internals chouchoune (~arnaud@chouchoune.fr) |
| 07:33.51 | elfurbe | Man, I'm getting an awful lot of requests for port 8080 on my jabber server suddenly. |
| 07:35.42 | *** join/#webos-internals falz (~falz@300bps.org) |
| 07:38.05 | elfurbe | A lesson I never learn: Don't watch the firewall logs, you just get paranoid. :D |
| 07:39.02 | ka6sox | yup |
| 07:39.13 | stalane | quick question: is there a password manager app? i have complex passwords and its driving me mad. thanks |
| 07:39.15 | ka6sox | I just say "thank you" |
| 07:39.43 | elfurbe | Oh, I didn't mean it like that earlier |
| 07:40.16 | elfurbe | Sorry, I see it was potentially accusatory. I just meant I'm staring at firewall logs and seeing all these attempts to 8080 |
| 07:40.28 | EdLin | stalane lastpass, though if you're on a touchpad, you'll need to grab a file from their website rather than from the app catalog. Also, you have to be a subscriber ($1 a month) |
| 07:40.30 | elfurbe | No reflection on yourself or the channel or anything like that |
| 07:40.50 | stalane | sorry.. for palm pixi plus? |
| 07:41.21 | EdLin | stalane then just find lastpass in the app catalog if it's there, if it's not, they probably have the older version to download as well. |
| 07:41.33 | elfurbe | And you're right, thank you for all your help, and dwc- also |
| 07:44.40 | stalane | EdLin: thanks... looking |
| 07:50.34 | ka6sox | elfurbe, no no....I was saying "thank you for the FW blocking all that carp :D |
| 07:51.10 | ka6sox | (since I don't look @ fw logs or it makes me crazy :D) |
| 07:51.17 | elfurbe | Oh man, ok. I thought I had laid some seriously offensive business up in channel. :D |
| 07:52.31 | elfurbe | Yeah, seriously. Especially when they're your servers on your network, you just feel like the entire internet is totally against you :D |
| 07:52.37 | ka6sox | NOPE...I was just commenting on the FW logs... |
| 07:52.44 | stalane | i dont know: my app catalogue sucks lemons. search cannot find jvault, keyring, lastpass. what that about? |
| 07:52.46 | ka6sox | which I don't look at. |
| 07:53.01 | ka6sox | stalane, dunno... |
| 07:53.11 | ka6sox | we don't make that app :D |
| 07:53.24 | elfurbe | Ha, maybe you should plan to :) |
| 07:53.38 | stalane | lol. is there a homebrew password manager app? |
| 07:53.39 | ka6sox | at one point, we could look @ the appcat...but that is no more. |
| 07:53.45 | stalane | id be happy to help |
| 07:54.03 | ka6sox | stalane, you could look in preware for those |
| 07:54.13 | ka6sox | just type works fine in that. |
| 07:54.19 | elfurbe | Man, if you wrote one that worked with a keepass file stored on box.net... I would donate to this cause. :D |
| 07:54.43 | stalane | i use MyPassword. I could port that |
| 07:54.46 | elfurbe | The only keepass compatible one I've seen requires a dump/import |
| 07:54.52 | elfurbe | Ah, rgr |
| 07:54.54 | ka6sox | stalane, ask HP to turn back on the public rss feeds so we can get the data. |
| 07:55.11 | stalane | im just learning this webos stuff. sorry |
| 07:55.43 | stalane | and for me there is too much entertainment at the moment :D |
| 07:55.49 | stalane | not enough guts stuff |
| 07:56.22 | elfurbe | You guys know what the messaging app binary is called? |
| 07:56.47 | ka6sox | messaging? |
| 07:57.02 | elfurbe | I'm re-reading the messaging hack threads and they seem to be for Pre, so maybe this hack just doesn't work on webos3 |
| 07:57.09 | ka6sox | (I think it actually is called that) |
| 07:57.25 | elfurbe | Well, I've got it running but I can't find anything called messaging in ps ax output |
| 07:58.05 | elfurbe | or lsof output |
| 07:58.21 | ka6sox | you got lsof from optware? |
| 07:58.28 | elfurbe | Yeah |
| 07:58.39 | ka6sox | Optware FTW. |
| 07:58.49 | elfurbe | seriously |
| 07:58.54 | ka6sox | :) |
| 07:58.55 | elfurbe | Super handy |
| 07:59.03 | ka6sox | I think so. |
| 07:59.12 | ka6sox | now if I could just fix ltrace... |
| 07:59.58 | elfurbe | Where does WebOS store the system apps? |
| 08:00.14 | ka6sox | I can never remember |
| 08:00.36 | ka6sox | ask me how it boots, how hte FS is laid out and how to manipulate it...I"m good. |
| 08:00.44 | ka6sox | where app stuff is? dunno |
| 08:00.55 | ka6sox | probably in cryptofs or /var/ |
| 08:01.00 | elfurbe | Ha :D |
| 08:01.03 | elfurbe | Checking now |
| 08:01.23 | rwhitby | system apps in /usr/palm |
| 08:01.34 | ka6sox | see... :( |
| 08:01.44 | elfurbe | Hey, there we go |
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| 08:04.52 | elfurbe | So, I'm about to get neck deep in the rabbit hole here, but are there binaries involved in apps by necessity or it is conceivable for them to be completely composed of js and html |
| 08:05.06 | scorche | on http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Ad-Hoc_Networking it says "GUI enabled application to switch the mode coming soon.. " - being that the last edit to that page was back in 2009, i assume that there hasnt been any progress on getting adhoc wifi working? (different for the touchpad?) |
| 08:05.45 | ka6sox | scorche, someone was in here less than a week ago saying they were working on it. |
| 08:06.11 | ka6sox | elfurbe, either node.js or C backend services. |
| 08:06.49 | ka6sox | jailed, or not |
| 08:07.32 | ka6sox | ah, that reminds me |
| 08:07.52 | ka6sox | maybe the jail for the messaging app doesn't have the TUN device |
| 08:08.24 | elfurbe | Anyone played around with the messaging app on Tpad? I'm looking to see if it's still using libpurple or if it's reimplemented |
| 08:08.59 | ka6sox | only thing I've seen is a patch I requested to make it easier on my old eyes to see the print. |
| 08:10.03 | ka6sox | and libpurple is around (dunno what for but it is) |
| 08:10.19 | elfurbe | Know where it is? :D |
| 08:10.50 | ka6sox | probably in /usr/lib |
| 08:10.57 | ka6sox | but where I can't tell you. |
| 08:11.09 | elfurbe | Oh yeah, good call |
| 08:14.43 | ka6sox | stalane, I'm not into entertainment, so I mostly dabble with the OS stuffs. |
| 08:15.13 | ka6sox | (when I have time) |
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| 08:25.37 | stalane | ka6sox: the serious stuffs is mixed in with the crap stuffs it seems |
| 08:25.49 | elfurbe | General question cause I thought I read it was coming... has anyone heard if there will be a 3.0.3 release? Just curious. |
| 08:28.03 | elfurbe | Huh, it sure looks like it should be forcing to talk.google.com if the username isn't @gmail or @googlemail |
| 08:34.38 | ka6sox | stalane, its a "mixed bag" |
| 08:34.59 | ka6sox | elfurbe, you mean "should not be forcing it" if its NOT one of those 2 domains? |
| 08:35.10 | elfurbe | No, other way around |
| 08:35.26 | elfurbe | They're trying to account for GApps accounts, I think |
| 08:35.52 | elfurbe | So if the domain isn't gmail or googlemail, they just force traffic to talk.google.com thinking it must be a gapps account which could end in any domain |
| 08:35.54 | ka6sox | ah, okay |
| 08:35.59 | elfurbe | That's my guess, anyway |
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| 08:36.31 | ka6sox | so they are proxy'ng it |
| 08:36.34 | ka6sox | heh |
| 08:36.52 | elfurbe | Proxying? |
| 08:36.57 | elfurbe | I don't follow |
| 08:39.32 | ka6sox | sending it to google first then back to you? |
| 08:40.16 | stalane | im a 30 year vet of computer security and consultancy and i have never seen such a mad crazy fuckwit driven bunch of apps in my entire career. |
| 08:40.49 | ka6sox | stalane, anything with "web" in the name is that way. |
| 08:41.00 | stalane | lol |
| 08:41.18 | elfurbe | Well, I don't think so. I mean, gapps accounts host your domain at google and you get "talk" access with that. So talk.google.com is the right jabber server you want to talk to |
| 08:41.22 | stalane | i have LOW bandwidth and we know how to do things right |
| 08:42.04 | stalane | app devs need to choose a single auth mechanism |
| 08:42.13 | stalane | and boss devs need to enforce it |
| 08:42.57 | stalane | i have wasted an entire day today and got zero done |
| 08:43.07 | stalane | i cant remember the last time that has happened |
| 08:43.13 | elfurbe | What apps are you talking about stalane? |
| 08:43.23 | stalane | im talking about the LACK of apps |
| 08:43.29 | stalane | the lack of auth |
| 08:43.35 | elfurbe | On WebOS in general? |
| 08:43.46 | stalane | multiple waste of time signups |
| 08:44.07 | stalane | why is there no share via bluetooth? |
| 08:44.22 | stalane | in any of the built in apps |
| 08:44.37 | stalane | thats just lazy |
| 08:45.27 | stalane | im compiling a list of annoying complaints. then ill help fix some :D |
| 08:46.31 | stalane | i need a palm profile password auth mech and a non palm profile default password manager. that i can do myself and share with you guys |
| 08:48.18 | stalane | why does preware download all the repos on every launch? ever heard of xdelta? |
| 08:48.31 | stalane | stuff like that |
| 08:48.35 | stalane | drives me mad |
| 08:48.56 | rwhitby | stalane: patches welcome |
| 08:49.10 | stalane | rwhitby: :D |
| 08:49.14 | ka6sox | stalane, thanks...we look forward to your contributions :D |
| 08:49.17 | stalane | patches coming |
| 08:49.28 | stalane | im only a fews days in |
| 08:49.58 | rwhitby | stalane: awesome. do you have all the pointers you need to how stuff happens now? |
| 08:50.09 | stalane | nowhere near all |
| 08:50.15 | stalane | im still swimming |
| 08:50.27 | stalane | but im getting it |
| 08:50.28 | rwhitby | stalane: git.webos-internals.org |
| 08:50.38 | stalane | yeah i got that already :D |
| 08:50.42 | rwhitby | stalane: preware/build.git is the autobuilder which populates the feeds |
| 08:51.02 | rwhitby | Anyone can recreate ipkg.preware.org using that |
| 08:51.06 | stalane | i can see what happened corporate wise |
| 08:51.16 | stalane | a bomb went off in the dev channel |
| 08:51.22 | stalane | like losing a building |
| 08:52.01 | stalane | im going to buy some more webos stuff |
| 08:52.15 | stalane | and then get one of my old guys on board |
| 08:52.37 | elfurbe | What do you have already out of curiosity? |
| 08:52.48 | stalane | ive got 2 pixi plus phones |
| 08:52.52 | stalane | verizon cdma |
| 08:53.13 | stalane | ill get 2 of all the other things too |
| 08:53.38 | elfurbe | You figure you can find two touchpads? :D |
| 08:53.43 | stalane | ive just got through looking at the messaging |
| 08:53.52 | rwhitby | stalane: BTW, in case it was misconstrued, my "patches welcome" comment was a genuine one to someone who I recognise as a developer likely to do something about it, not the usual fob-off that phrase is often used for. |
| 08:53.52 | stalane | that took 4 days |
| 08:53.54 | stalane | :D |
| 08:54.17 | stalane | not need to explain rwhitby im a patches kinda guy |
| 08:54.44 | rwhitby | and in general we quickly turn a first good patch into repo access |
| 08:54.54 | stalane | yeah good |
| 08:55.14 | stalane | im up for this because it has no potential |
| 08:55.15 | stalane | :D |
| 08:56.42 | stalane | i havent been able to buy a paid app yet |
| 08:56.51 | stalane | im not in the usa |
| 08:56.57 | stalane | thats just nuts |
| 08:57.05 | stalane | so we need a paypal app |
| 08:58.05 | stalane | or a paypal based preware / homebrew auth account |
| 08:58.09 | stalane | gateway |
| 08:58.15 | stalane | nice? |
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| 08:58.34 | elfurbe | Are you talking about adding paid apps to preware? |
| 08:58.39 | stalane | no |
| 08:58.46 | elfurbe | Or somehow hackin' on the app store |
| 08:58.50 | stalane | using preware to auth via paypal |
| 08:58.50 | rwhitby | stalane: in-app purchases? |
| 08:59.07 | stalane | preware becomes the gateway |
| 08:59.21 | stalane | the app store wont accept my credentials |
| 08:59.56 | rwhitby | stalane: I have a saying: "Never get between lawyers and money" |
| 09:00.38 | stalane | rwhitby: lol |
| 09:00.44 | EricBlade | i have a correlation to that .. "never allow a lawyer's hands near your money" |
| 09:01.04 | stalane | well if amazon does buy webos that auth issue goes away |
| 09:01.56 | stalane | its something paypal does but doesnt really promote it. sign in via paypal instead of via twitter or facebook etc |
| 09:02.26 | stalane | not for charging! thats a different mechanism |
| 09:02.39 | ka6sox | 2am...time for bed. |
| 09:02.48 | stalane | so im not saying PAID anything. just single sign on |
| 09:02.50 | ka6sox | too much infra stuff still left. |
| 09:04.08 | stalane | like i said before. i guess that strategy all fell over with HP because they never got to an intl gateway |
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| 09:05.34 | ka6sox | yup |
| 09:05.47 | stalane | for those of you unsure about amazon. im a prime member and they CAN DO intl everything. they have a global mindset in everything they do. so i would much better welcome them buying webos than a samsung or a sony |
| 09:05.51 | ka6sox | bbt |
| 09:07.09 | stalane | amazon are very happy to sell me anything i want to buy. im british and live in indonesia. no other USA company can claim that. |
| 09:08.11 | stalane | the only other method i have to auth and/or pay for anything is paypal |
| 09:09.08 | rwhitby | stalane: for app catalog stuff I selected US catalog and use a US prepaid debit card |
| 09:09.14 | rwhitby | I too would prefer paypal. |
| 09:09.36 | rwhitby | not sure about amazon though, as they would likely try to lock stuff up tight |
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| 09:13.17 | elfurbe | I'm 50/50 on Amazon, not even really sure they're serious |
| 09:13.25 | elfurbe | Seems like you'd make that move before you drop your tablet |
| 09:16.23 | elfurbe | Seems a lot more likely that Samsung or Sony would want it to protect themselves against the Googorola situation |
| 09:20.20 | eliasp | rwhitby: re-installed govnah/uberkernel now after disabling the profile in govnah before, now the only profile available is "Palm Default" ... is that correct? |
| 09:20.40 | eliasp | rwhitby: all the profiles I used to see there (ÜberKernel default etc.) are gone... |
| 09:21.24 | rwhitby | what device/version? |
| 09:22.12 | eliasp | rwhitby: Pre3, 2.2.0 (no OTA available yet here) |
| 09:22.31 | rwhitby | that's the only profile installed by default for that device/version |
| 09:22.47 | rwhitby | since uberkernel does not yet overclock the Pre 3 |
| 09:22.48 | eliasp | rwhitby: ah, ok.. so the other profiles probably sneaked in via Save'n'Restore from my Pre- |
| 09:22.59 | rwhitby | yep, and would not work. |
| 09:23.05 | eliasp | rwhitby: which may have also caused the initial issues |
| 09:23.08 | eliasp | ok |
| 09:23.11 | rwhitby | very likely so |
| 09:23.20 | eliasp | rwhitby: so I assume everything's fine now ;) thx for your help |
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| 09:23.44 | eliasp | rwhitby: maybe it would make sense to add a device identifier to each profile to prevent such mistakes |
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| 09:27.23 | rwhitby | eliasp: there already is such |
| 09:27.53 | eliasp | rwhitby: oh, ok.. maybe it was added after my migration.. no idea how this happened |
| 09:28.05 | rwhitby | eliasp: http://git.webos-internals.org/applications/govnah/tree/app/models/default-profiles.js |
| 09:30.09 | eliasp | rwhitby: but doesn't the kernels: array only restrict a profile to a certain kernel? what about having the same kernel on a Pre- and a Pre3, then migrating a profile from a Pre- to a Pre3... this would cause said issue... or did I oversee another profile attribute which is responsible for the restriction? |
| 09:30.44 | eliasp | aah, I see... |
| 09:30.46 | eliasp | the last lines... |
| 09:30.49 | eliasp | switch/case |
| 09:31.11 | eliasp | but this still doesn't prevent such a Save/Restore mistake |
| 09:31.21 | eliasp | anyways... I don't think it might affect a lot of users ;) |
| 09:32.28 | rwhitby | eliasp: yeah, it's a problem |
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| 09:33.44 | thor968 | test |
| 09:33.53 | eliasp | thor968: pong |
| 09:34.47 | elfurbe | thor968: ack |
| 09:35.36 | thor968 | Did my prior posts about "Germanizing" a ATT Veer came to the channel? |
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| 09:44.22 | bhuey | rwhitby: ran into a few bugs with freetether on a Pre 3 |
| 09:44.43 | bhuey | the selection for security for wifi won't pull down when I tap it |
| 09:45.04 | rwhitby | bhuey: -> PuffTheMagic |
| 09:45.05 | bhuey | also, I have to restart the device to stop it from tethering |
| 09:45.10 | bhuey | rwhitby: ok |
| 09:45.26 | bhuey | PuffTheMagic: you there ? |
| 09:45.49 | rwhitby | bhuey: we have an AZERTY Pre 3 on the way for him to test with |
| 09:45.52 | bhuey | that Facebook story was pretty out of control |
| 09:51.15 | thor968 | OK, probably not, it seems that wIRC does not stay connected while sleeping and does not reconnect after wake up? So again: |
| 09:55.57 | thor968 | Finaly I got my ATT Veer "Germanized" with MetaDoctor. Some minor issues where, that you have to use the broadway.xml for the Veer to overwrite the ATT tokens (most docs are writen for the Pre and thus use the castle.xml) and do not forget the "overwrite" |
| 09:55.57 | thor968 | -flag in any line. |
| 09:57.19 | thor968 | But even with this I had no success to get the Veer booted, until I changed the EU webOS-doctor to the ATT one, using as base for the MetaDoctor. |
| 09:58.15 | thor968 | After I had installed the ATT MetaDoctor with the EU-tokens, they finaly got writen on the device and I was able to install the original HP/Palm EU webOS-doctor on it :-) |
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| 09:59.23 | thor968 | I documented the whole process in the Nexave-forum: http://www.nexave.de/forum/p435796-europaeisierung-eines-us-at-t-veers-mit-metadoctor/.html#post435796 - yes it's in German, because I was to lazy to translate it :-D |
| 10:01.56 | thor968 | There is just one more question I have. Which are the tokens that are really needed for the change (like some DM....) and which ones shouldn't be changed (SN, MAC)? |
| 10:02.50 | thor968 | ALSCal, BATToCH, BATToRSP, DMCARRIER, DMCLoAUTHNAME, DMCLoAUTHPW, DMCLoNONCE, DMMODEL, DMSETS, DMSVRoAUTHPW, DMSVRoNONCE, MfgCode, PN, PRODoID, PROXCAL, ProdSN, SimLockDef |
| 10:03.11 | rwhitby | thor968: have you seen the Pre 3 impersonation page? |
| 10:03.26 | rwhitby | that shows the superset of tokens which need to change |
| 10:03.46 | thor968 | Hi Rod, no where do I find is? |
| 10:04.02 | rwhitby | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Pre_3_Impersonation |
| 10:04.55 | rwhitby | doctor only looks at DMMODEL and DMCARRIER to determine whether it will run or not, and that can be overridden with CUSTOM_MODEL_LIST and CUSTOM_CARRIER_LIST |
| 10:05.16 | rwhitby | app catalog and profile server look for more |
| 10:05.55 | thor968 | Thanks a lot :-) |
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| 10:10.01 | bhuey | I've heard that folks have been giving up on the Pre 3 because of bugs |
| 10:10.03 | thor968 | BTW, do I have to use "make DEVICE=.... all" if I put the "DEVICE=...." already in the Makefile or is it obsolete? |
| 10:10.27 | rwhitby | bhuey: Pre 3 is my main device now. |
| 10:10.32 | rwhitby | thor968: your choice |
| 10:10.33 | bhuey | is it because of the "too many cards" message or something else horrible that have yet to hear of ? |
| 10:10.52 | bhuey | rwhitby: it's very close to being that for me as well |
| 10:10.59 | bhuey | and I was using both a Pre 2 and EVO |
| 10:11.06 | bhuey | this Pre 3 is fucking nice |
| 10:11.25 | rwhitby | I fixed the three major bugs that concerned me. |
| 10:11.33 | bhuey | what's those ? |
| 10:12.52 | bhuey | was out of memory one of them ? |
| 10:13.51 | rwhitby | TMC, maps.google.com, AU dial-plan couldn't dial 1800 and 1300 numbers |
| 10:14.12 | bhuey | couldn't dial those numbers ? wtf ? |
| 10:14.19 | rwhitby | exactly. |
| 10:14.26 | rwhitby | any number starting with those digits |
| 10:14.51 | bhuey | been trying to get some kind of google voice app goin on it but they all crash on this Pre 3 or just flat out fail |
| 10:15.49 | bhuey | I've only gotten the dreaded TMC error once |
| 10:15.57 | bhuey | might have been maps or something don't know |
| 10:15.58 | rwhitby | uberkernel fixes that |
| 10:16.33 | thor968 | I'm still using my Pre 2 mainly, because my Pre 3 only has 8 GB flash and I prefer the formfactor of the Pre 2. But the Pre 3 is just better and for the anoying TMC error, Rod has an Uberkernel :-) |
| 10:17.04 | rwhitby | for some reason, someone decided that the lowmemorynotify kernel module should use an algorithm which doesn't take swap space into account on a device which has 180MB less RAM than the previous generation model |
| 10:18.11 | thor968 | But next week I get my ATT Pre 3 with 16 GB that I only have to "Germanize" too :-) |
| 10:19.00 | bhuey | this thing just load the regular HTML page with Google maps or something |
| 10:19.16 | rwhitby | thor968: I changed my 16GB Pre3 into a P220UEU via tokens |
| 10:19.37 | bhuey | why would you do tht ? |
| 10:19.40 | bhuey | that btw ? |
| 10:19.50 | bhuey | catalogue issues or something ? |
| 10:20.05 | rwhitby | bhuey: I prefer not to have AT&T control what's in the doctor which I apply to my device |
| 10:20.21 | bhuey | ok |
| 10:20.30 | rwhitby | and at the time i did it there was no sign of an AT&T Pre 3 doctor |
| 10:20.40 | bhuey | need to try that uberkernel |
| 10:20.43 | rwhitby | I cannot run a device for which I have no doctor |
| 10:20.50 | bhuey | just add the test feed and off I go ? |
| 10:20.58 | rwhitby | ~testing-feeds |
| 10:20.58 | infobot | it has been said that testing-feeds is a means of testing new WebOS Internals products, documented at http://testing.preware.org - always use that URL and never copy any of the instructions anywhere else. |
| 10:21.11 | bhuey | thanks rwhitby |
| 10:21.14 | rwhitby | it's in beta-kernels at the moment |
| 10:21.23 | bhuey | no crashing / |
| 10:21.25 | rwhitby | just rebuilt it from the recently released 2.2.3 sources |
| 10:21.26 | bhuey | ? |
| 10:22.01 | rwhitby | since there is no overclocking, the risk of crashing is no more than the stock kernel |
| 10:22.47 | bhuey | did you have to deal with special modules at all ? |
| 10:23.05 | rwhitby | what do you mean by special |
| 10:25.20 | bhuey | rwhitby: beta feed right ? |
| 10:25.30 | rwhitby | beta-kernels |
| 10:25.36 | bhuey | like enable one or more of the kernel tracers |
| 10:25.47 | bhuey | but... |
| 10:26.00 | bhuey | dealing with proprietary binaries |
| 10:26.16 | bhuey | that's sort of the case I was thinking about |
| 10:26.17 | rwhitby | oh, we don't change anything which will affect the ABI to the binary modules |
| 10:26.33 | bhuey | would be nice to be able to do that though |
| 10:27.05 | rwhitby | binary graphics drivers and userspace init apps make that difficult |
| 10:28.04 | bhuey | yeah I know |
| 10:30.23 | bhuey | rwhitby: what webOS version are you running on your Pre 3 ? 2.2.0 ? |
| 10:30.36 | bhuey | or was there a public update sent out recently ? |
| 10:32.31 | rwhitby | I'm running 2.2.3 |
| 10:32.40 | rwhitby | s/2.2.3/2.2.0/ |
| 10:32.50 | rwhitby | no OTA to 2.2.3 for EU device yet |
| 10:33.03 | bhuey | ok yeah |
| 10:33.07 | bhuey | that's good |
| 10:33.09 | rwhitby | when I get a second 16GB Pre 3 I'll move to 2.2.3 |
| 10:33.35 | bhuey | ohhhhh |
| 10:33.38 | rwhitby | (since none of the three major bugs are fixed in 2.2.3 anyway) |
| 10:33.38 | bhuey | very bad |
| 10:34.13 | rwhitby | yeah, the only officially release Pre 3 device has less support than the two unreleased versions. |
| 10:34.48 | rwhitby | somebody's got the OTA release priorities wrong somewhere |
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| 10:44.37 | bhuey | ok night |
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| 11:36.33 | RichT23 | Oh is there a UK 2.2.3 release then? |
| 11:36.57 | RichT23 | maybe that will help with this stupid Pre3 and not likeing wifi chan 13 issue |
| 11:37.31 | RichT23 | maybe i should get on to support about it ;) |
| 11:41.36 | panel | hi, is any way to get request log from emulator / pre2 (request headers and body) ? |
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| 13:26.52 | Shorty_ | or anyone who'd like to help out |
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| 15:15.59 | Guest17562 | im tring to download pre ware to my palm pre plus for verizon |
| 15:16.03 | Guest17562 | plz help |
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| 15:37.41 | Shorty_ | but I'm getting stuck, can someone poitn me in the right direction? I basically just want to build the module for the uberkernel |
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| 15:41.04 | fudge_palm | hello all |
| 15:41.19 | fudge_palm | can anyone assist me in using freetether? |
| 15:41.56 | fudge_palm | I set up everything accordingly, but it still can't get an ipv4 and v6 address |
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| 16:10.27 | ShiftyAxel | preware even, blasted autocorrect |
| 16:12.34 | ShiftyAxel | I take it back, problem solved. |
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| 17:44.05 | JetUni | I was wondering if during a StopDeviceWipe procedure, my Pre 3 should say that there is another phone on this profile?? |
| 17:44.12 | JetUni | Anyone?? |
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| 17:47.07 | JetUni | Using the StopDeviceWipe, it still shows my pre+ on my profile on palm.com |
| 17:47.17 | JetUni | that normal?? |
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| 18:07.42 | Lazar_Dobrescu | woot at last I'm able to login to Live from multiple locations with the messaging plugins for webos 2 |
| 18:07.54 | Lazar_Dobrescu | that sure was a pain :) I feel for you NuttyBunny_ |
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| 19:02.28 | oldtopman | How do you change the size of the screen portion of xterm? |
| 19:03.09 | oldtopman | I shrunk the keyboard, but all I have now is a black space. |
| 19:05.55 | summatusmentis | you need the tweaks application |
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| 19:18.53 | oldtopman | ah, I see. |
| 19:18.54 | oldtopman | ty |
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| 20:04.22 | mputtr | hi |
| 20:04.27 | mputtr | i have a veryq uick question |
| 20:05.41 | mputtr | i guess everyone's afk |
| 20:06.14 | summatusmentis | ask you question |
| 20:06.19 | summatusmentis | people will answer if they see it |
| 20:06.32 | mputtr | ok |
| 20:06.42 | mputtr | i want to install thai fonts into my touchpad |
| 20:06.48 | mputtr | is there a specific way of doing so? |
| 20:07.41 | mputtr | i checked webosbuzz on how to install vietnamese font but replaced it with thaifonts and it didn't work |
| 20:08.03 | mputtr | i'm trying to get it on my mom's touchpad so she can use it as a laptop replacement device |
| 20:10.06 | mputtr | is there possibly a link to how to do it? |
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| 20:14.26 | mputtr | oh well, i'll check back some other time when it's more active |
| 20:15.45 | stbuehler | if you don't have the time to idle in irc use a forum |
| 20:16.31 | mputtr | i know. i was wondering if it was active. if it wasn't i'll come back another time |
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| 20:16.42 | mputtr | that's why i said i'll check back another time :) |
| 20:17.18 | stbuehler | well, good luck :) |
| 20:18.05 | mputtr | thx. i know the general idea of how irc works. if i dont get an answer right now i'll either have to wait till someone responds or i come back later and try my luck :P |
| 20:18.24 | stbuehler | hint: ssh+screen/tmux+irssi :) |
| 20:18.43 | mputtr | that's about as good as greek to me.. and i'm asian hahaha |
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| 20:24.18 | mputtr | well, i'll be back here later to see if the room is more active later :) |
| 20:24.20 | mputtr | cya everyone |
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| 21:29.08 | rwhitby | Shorty_: have you seen the building apps and kernels wiki page? |
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| 22:15.07 | PuffTheMagic | NuttyBunny_, ping |
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| 23:08.44 | jrgii | browsing craigslist on my TP suc |
| 23:09.00 | jrgii | err sucks |
| 23:09.05 | jrgii | h |
| 23:09.57 | jrgii | where should I begin researching on how to make an app for browsing and posting craigslist? |
| 23:14.12 | dwc- | how's it diff than browsing CL on a desktop? |
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| 23:14.38 | SineOt | that implies browsing CL on a desktop doesn't suck too :p |
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| 23:17.24 | dwc- | ok, sure |
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| 23:35.34 | jrgii | mostly the hyperlink doesn't change color after it has been clicked, so I don't know which ad I've already viewed |
| 23:35.49 | mputtr | hi |
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| 23:36.31 | dwc- | that annoys met oo |
| 23:36.37 | dwc- | but, not in the context of craigslist |
| 23:37.01 | mputtr | i have a questiion about language fonts and the touchpad if anyone here can help me |
| 23:37.25 | mputtr | I'm trying to get thai language support on the touchpad. Is there a specific link or method that can be explained to me? |
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| 23:38.05 | dwc- | also what annoys me are the auto-links that palm creates out of numbers and email like things |
| 23:38.14 | dwc- | which are identical to the ones on the page |
| 23:39.23 | jrgii | could a developer please add a patch changing a visited link's color? |
| 23:41.19 | mputtr | is there a way to add thai language support to the touchpad? |
| 23:41.25 | jrgii | I actually enjoy the autolinks, I'm already used to them on my android phone |
| 23:41.28 | Log1x | i dont think craigslist has an a:visited set |
| 23:41.37 | Log1x | which is not a touchpad problem =P |
| 23:41.56 | jrgii | funny |
| 23:42.36 | jrgii | WebKit is too standards compliant |
| 23:43.59 | SineOt | Well, now. :p A lot of people still have complaints about the build in webOS |
| 23:44.04 | SineOt | namely that it's ancient as all get out |
| 23:46.52 | mputtr | anyone? thai language recognition? Touchpad? |
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| 23:48.12 | Log1x | mputtr: http://forums.precentral.net/webos-tips-information-resources/221892-help-about-thai-fonts-palm-pre.html scroll down to the #5 post..might lead you in somewhat the right direction |
| 23:48.17 | Log1x | despite that being for a pre |
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| 23:48.42 | Log1x | if you can find the hp touchpad font folder. might be the same as the pre idk |
| 23:49.26 | mputtr | thank you so much. I did a search and didn't come by that specific thread |
| 23:49.31 | Log1x | np =] |
| 23:49.37 | SineOt | Post #5 mentions that they did it on a Touchpad, so I assume it'll work fine |
| 23:49.41 | Log1x | yeah |
| 23:49.49 | mputtr | i think i just have bad luck on the forum search engines in general |
| 23:49.59 | mputtr | i'll work on it right now and see how it turns out |
| 23:50.04 | Log1x | :) |
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| 23:51.27 | helpWith | hello, i have a question about partitioning the store-media. |
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| 23:53.24 | helpWith | the command "resizefat /dev/mapper/store-media 4G" resizes the partition to, well, 4GB. but is that the main partition? |
