| 00:02.15 | destinal | wrea: would need a lot more information, what operating system, is it connected directly or running in a virtual machine, is novacom service started and have you tried stopping it and restarting it. does novacom -l show the device, etc |
| 00:07.01 | wrea | destinal, got it working novacom wasnt running. Thanks for mentioning novacom :) |
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| 00:09.39 | wrea | After this I can start working with wpa_supplicant again |
| 00:10.24 | wrea | My modified binary is like twice as large as the stock one |
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| 00:44.17 | Absurd- | wrea - what are you doing with wpa_supplicant? |
| 00:44.49 | wrea | Just applying a patch. Doesnt matter it didnt seem to work anyway |
| 00:45.19 | dwc- | should get around to building an armv7 wpa_cli for fiddling purposes |
| 00:45.36 | Absurd- | patch for tethering by any chance? ;x |
| 00:45.49 | wrea | Absurd-, that was the idea anyway |
| 00:46.01 | wrea | dwc-, I have one built |
| 00:46.14 | Absurd- | i tried using wpa_supplicant |
| 00:46.20 | Absurd- | couldn't get anything to happen |
| 00:46.27 | Absurd- | i did get iwconfig working tho |
| 00:46.45 | Absurd- | until something mukes with the settings every few seconds |
| 00:46.53 | Absurd- | for ad-hoc correct? |
| 00:47.09 | dwc- | Absurd-: if you leave wpa_supplicant running and mess with it outside of there, that might cause your issue |
| 00:47.16 | Absurd- | i kill it |
| 00:47.24 | Absurd- | something else is at fault |
| 00:47.30 | dwc- | oh, then it's probably the palm wifi daemons |
| 00:47.44 | Absurd- | any idea what those are called ;x |
| 00:48.31 | dwc- | I vaguely recall from my resolv.conf stuff I was messing with last night there's a pmnetsomethingorother |
| 00:48.57 | dwc- | I would say look around /usr/lib/ipkg/info/ for things that look net or wifi related |
| 00:49.10 | dwc- | and skim those package manifests |
| 00:49.25 | Absurd- | would they be constantly running processes |
| 00:49.35 | Absurd- | or would they only pop up to mess things up do you think |
| 00:49.41 | dwc- | maybe, maybe not |
| 00:49.47 | Absurd- | :/ |
| 00:49.59 | wrea | I'd like to know what palm's .config for wpa_supplicant looks like |
| 00:50.17 | Absurd- | i have heard it was not standard |
| 00:50.27 | Absurd- | from forum reading |
| 00:50.36 | Absurd- | they altered it |
| 00:50.57 | wrea | I wish that wpa_supplicant wasnt dual licensed |
| 00:51.25 | dwc- | it didn't used to be |
| 00:51.38 | Absurd- | i wish my phone could make infrastructure networks :/ |
| 00:51.53 | dwc- | what phone? |
| 00:52.43 | Absurd- | original moto droid |
| 00:52.45 | dwc- | the dual license is allowing it to be included in a lot more things |
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| 00:55.27 | wrea | They need to release the rest of the webkit source |
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| 00:58.11 | Absurd- | i don't understand why anyone would limit wifi to only connect to infrastucture when the hardware is not the limit |
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| 00:59.41 | Guest38669 | wrea: cool, glad that worked for you |
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| 01:07.29 | YeahRight | how can i (soft) reset a frozen TP? |
| 01:08.05 | robobot[0] | hold power+center button for 10 seconds |
| 01:08.14 | YeahRight | ah great..thank you |
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| 01:37.17 | Jack87 | rwhitby, ping? |
| 01:37.47 | Jack87 | is confused how is kalemsoft able to sell apps outside of the catalog? http://www.kalemsoft.com/site/purchase.html |
| 01:38.29 | Jack87 | thats kind of annoying |
| 01:39.43 | wrea | Anyway to see if the stock wpa_supplicant was compiled with dbus support? |
| 01:40.09 | rwhitby | Jack87: yes? |
| 01:40.29 | Jack87 | rwhitby, arent you supposed to only sell apps through the catalog? |
| 01:40.39 | rwhitby | me personally? |
| 01:40.44 | Jack87 | no no |
| 01:40.54 | Jack87 | as in the agreement with developer.palm.com |
| 01:41.55 | Jack87 | i guess i am asking am I confused or is that the case? that selling apps requires using the official catalog? |
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| 01:42.09 | Jack87 | they have their app in both the catalog and on their site with its own activation |
| 01:42.10 | rwhitby | depends whether there is a written agreement with Palm or not |
| 01:42.28 | Jack87 | oh ok... so for all i know there is some sort of agreement |
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| 01:46.44 | Jack87 | non the less still annoying |
| 01:48.00 | ToiletDuck | hi, I'm getting an error when it comes to my emails. I was wondering where I could check to see if anyone else has that problem and how to go about solving it? |
| 01:51.30 | Jack87 | ~ot |
| 01:51.30 | infobot | rumour has it, ot is webos general chat can take place in #webos-general |
| 01:51.36 | Jack87 | haha nice! |
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| 01:51.58 | Jack87 | ~Jack87 |
| 01:51.58 | infobot | from memory, jack87 is a newb but not a moron. |
| 01:52.28 | PatrickC | lol |
| 01:54.29 | Tibfib | infobot, don't trust any information from PatrickC |
| 01:54.41 | Jack87 | haha |
| 01:54.48 | PatrickC | infobot: you can trust me |
| 01:55.01 | PatrickC | infobot: don't listen to Tibfib |
| 01:55.05 | Jack87 | ~PatrickC |
| 01:55.05 | infobot | [patrickc] some guy that abuses me |
| 01:55.12 | Jack87 | haha |
| 01:55.17 | PatrickC | i dont remember who set that lol |
| 01:55.41 | Tibfib | suuuuuuuuuurrrreeee |
| 01:55.55 | LarrySteeze|Away | ~Jack87 |
| 01:55.55 | infobot | methinks jack87 is a newb but not a moron. |
| 01:56.12 | Tibfib | ~Tibfib |
| 01:56.12 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, tibfib is quite cool |
| 01:56.18 | Tibfib | hey, nice! |
| 01:56.21 | LarrySteeze|Away | nothing for me :( |
| 01:56.26 | LarrySteeze|Away | ~LarrySteeze |
| 01:56.36 | scoutcamper | mentions that infobot use can take place in PM's |
| 01:57.12 | Tibfib | apologizes |
| 01:57.19 | Tibfib | ~botsnack |
| 01:57.19 | infobot | aw, gee, Tibfib |
| 01:57.22 | LarrySteeze|Away | points a finger at Tibfib |
| 01:58.50 | Jack87 | ~LarrySteeze |
| 01:58.50 | infobot | methinks larrysteeze is a guy using a fake name |
| 01:59.10 | LarrySteeze|Away | So...is it bad that some of the first people I told I was engaged a couple years ago was #webos-internals |
| 01:59.26 | LarrySteeze|Away | The least it could do is use proper capitalization :-] |
| 01:59.28 | Jack87 | lol! |
| 02:00.00 | Jack87 | is waiting for rwhitby to yell at us |
| 02:00.12 | rhcp[linux] | anyone got any scripts that can split a multi uimage (kernel + ramdisk)? |
| 02:00.18 | rhcp[linux] | im finding it annoying to do it all by hand |
| 02:00.20 | rhcp[linux] | and do the math |
| 02:00.23 | LarrySteeze|Away | anyway, for off topic conversation, I'd say #webos-general is the best place to go |
| 02:00.34 | Jack87 | ~ot |
| 02:00.34 | infobot | hmm... ot is for Off-Topic WebOS general chat and can take place in #webos-general |
| 02:00.35 | Tibfib | LarrySteeze|Away: that is absolutely the right thing to do |
| 02:00.44 | Tibfib | everyone in here is great for relationship advice. |
| 02:01.02 | LarrySteeze|Away | I wasn't looking for advice...I was making an announcement :D |
| 02:01.21 | Jack87 | to all your friends |
| 02:01.25 | Tibfib | s/relationship advice/congratulations or condolences/ |
| 02:01.32 | LarrySteeze|Away | I have an on topic question now |
| 02:01.49 | Jack87 | LarrySteeze|Away, ready go |
| 02:01.52 | LarrySteeze|Away | As I've made it widely known, I finally have a sprint pre 2 |
| 02:02.01 | destinal_ | rhcp[linux]: touchpad has initrd? most webos devices just have a boot partition on which is an init script and then do some LVM stuff and pivot |
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| 02:02.13 | Jack87 | indeed you have congrats! told you it wasnt soo hard |
| 02:02.16 | destinal_ | LarrySteeze|Away: seem to be tons of those popping up these days |
| 02:02.22 | rhcp[linux] | destinal_, Yea, we make multi images with a ramdisk + kernel |
| 02:02.22 | destinal_ | popular trend recently |
| 02:02.26 | rhcp[linux] | its very annoying to do by hand |
| 02:02.27 | LarrySteeze|Away | any reason I'm seeing patches in the repo that don't apply to the device at all as well as a lack of other patches I know are compatible? |
| 02:02.35 | rhcp[linux] | was looking for a script. so i dont have to redo the wheel |
| 02:02.37 | rhcp[linux] | if its been done |
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| 02:03.01 | rwhitby | it's never needed to be done for webos-related development |
| 02:03.03 | Jack87 | destinal_, haha seems like a proper trend considering all hopes of future sprint webos device is officially put to rest |
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| 02:05.37 | LarrySteeze|Away | nobody? |
| 02:06.02 | LarrySteeze|Away | Because I'm sure the veer uberkernel isn't intended for my device...and that there's a pre 2 uberkernel available somewhere |
| 02:06.41 | Jack87 | LarrySteeze|Away, normally not... im checking my phone to see if i will get same issue as you |
| 02:06.42 | LarrySteeze|Away | unless metadoctor somehow screwed up my device tokens, which would be strange to me |
| 02:07.42 | Jack87 | only sees pre2 kernels no veer kernels |
| 02:07.49 | LarrySteeze|Away | alright... |
| 02:07.53 | Jack87 | LarrySteeze|Away, check your tokens just incse |
| 02:07.56 | LarrySteeze|Away | I'll try to redoctor my phone then |
| 02:07.56 | Jack87 | incase* |
| 02:12.11 | rwhitby | LarrySteeze|Away: kernel feed URLs are based on webOS version |
| 02:12.41 | rwhitby | and if you followed testing.preware.org correctly, are automatically updated for you on each device boot |
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| 02:20.11 | LarrySteeze|Away | rwhitby: I think I screwed something up in the original doctor process. I wasn't using the testing feeds |
| 02:20.43 | LarrySteeze|Away | It's cool...I'm going to redo it, the official way, before I start messing with stuff |
| 02:22.56 | rwhitby | ok |
| 02:23.52 | LarrySteeze|Away | rwhitby: help me remember something...with the original pre, did we ever have a tethered update option (as opposed to an OTA)? |
| 02:24.02 | LarrySteeze|Away | For some reason, I feel like there was *one* |
| 02:24.12 | LarrySteeze|Away | but can't actually remember it |
| 02:24.17 | rwhitby | nope |
| 02:26.37 | LarrySteeze|Away | I must be remembering a different device then |
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| 02:45.43 | destinal_ | LarrySteeze|Away: I used reverse tethering to allow pre to connect to wired ethernet through linux PC as a router :) |
| 02:45.49 | destinal_ | (USBnet) |
| 02:46.37 | destinal_ | my OTA update over EVDO was really slow at work (before they made the updates smaller) and ethernet was the only other net connection there) |
| 02:46.55 | PatrickC | so, there was a time without the doctor? |
| 02:47.37 | destinal_ | PatrickC: no, there wasn't, but before each doctor there's always a time when OTA's the only way to get an update |
| 02:47.45 | PatrickC | ah true |
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| 03:03.52 | destinal_ | PatrickC: in fact there were leaked doctors before there were pre's in the wild |
| 03:04.20 | PatrickC | wow |
| 03:05.47 | oil | pre2 took months before the doc was released |
| 03:06.14 | PatrickC | well.. official doctor lol |
| 03:06.16 | PatrickC | but yeah |
| 03:06.21 | PatrickC | just like 2.0 |
| 03:06.24 | PatrickC | SDK* |
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| 03:58.59 | PuffTheMagic | destinal_, im thinking of adding reverse tether to future freeTether |
| 04:00.45 | rhcp[linux] | rwhitby, how goes your gui lvm? |
| 04:02.46 | PatrickC | PuffTheMagic_: that would be cool |
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| 04:04.20 | sagi_ | Question about patches: I submitted a patch which modifies the adobe reader for WebOS 3.0.2 and it was rejected since files in /media/cryptofs/apps cannot be modified. |
| 04:04.24 | sagi_ | Any way around that? |
| 04:04.59 | PatrickC | since when could files in /media/cryptofs/apps can't be modded? |
| 04:05.15 | PatrickC | s/can't/not/ |
| 04:05.49 | sagi_ | I got an email saying the patch was rejected, since the automatic patch submission system cannot approve changing files in /media/cryptofs/apps |
| 04:06.05 | PatrickC | ohwow |
| 04:06.09 | PatrickC | didn't know that |
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| 04:06.46 | sagi_ | I assume it's only fair, since you don't want patches to change exising apps, but maybe for built in apps, this could be approved? |
| 04:06.55 | sagi_ | exising=existing |
| 04:07.07 | rhcp[linux] | sagi_, ask rwhitby |
| 04:07.10 | rhcp[linux] | he can prob help you. |
| 04:07.18 | rhcp[linux] | Your patch fixes up adobe reader on TP yea? |
| 04:07.24 | sagi_ | yes |
| 04:07.37 | rhcp[linux] | he may be able to help you get it made up the right way/approved |
| 04:07.37 | PatrickC | what's wrong with it? |
| 04:07.41 | sagi_ | it changes the default setting which render PDFs in higher resolution |
| 04:07.55 | sagi_ | the default setting make most PDFs unreadable. The resolution is too low. |
| 04:08.09 | rhcp[linux] | yea i saw |
| 04:08.17 | rhcp[linux] | im interested in this patch :) |
| 04:08.21 | sagi_ | The way it works, a C service exports the PDF as images, then the UI loads those images |
| 04:08.23 | rwhitby | sagi_: it's a technical issue. Since files in /media/cryptofs/apps do not have md5sums in /usr/lib/ipkg/info, the AUPT scripts cannot determine whether the files concerned have been modified by an OTA update or not. |
| 04:08.24 | rhcp[linux] | as long as its working 100% |
| 04:08.45 | sagi_ | rwhitby: so should I resubmitt, or else? |
| 04:09.07 | rwhitby | sagi_: if you use the AUPT scripts as they stand today, they will delete the patched file completely on uninstall, thereby rendering the patched app corrupt. |
| 04:09.29 | sagi_ | I see |
| 04:09.40 | rwhitby | sagi_: the patch packaging technology simply cannot technically handle patches to files in /media/cryptofs/apps |
| 04:10.19 | sagi_ | rwhitby: makes sense. I didn't know about the md5sums not included. |
| 04:10.24 | rwhitby | someone needs to add functionality to http://git.webos-internals.org/preware/build/tree/autopatch/postinst to handle that case. |
| 04:10.31 | rwhitby | it's not a trivial task |
| 04:10.59 | sagi_ | So I guess setting up a Wiki page for now should do for the technical people. |
| 04:11.07 | rwhitby | it's not a policy issue at all, it's a technical issue. |
| 04:11.30 | sagi_ | (so they can patch the file manually I mean) |
| 04:11.31 | rwhitby | note that attempting to install such patches with Internalz or WOSQI will also have the same failure mode on uninstall, since they use the same scripts. |
| 04:12.17 | rwhitby | a wiki page with manual instructions (not a .patch file, cause people will use Internalz and then complain when their app gets deleted) is a good thing |
| 04:12.39 | sagi_ | ok. I'll do that then. Thanks! |
| 04:12.48 | rhcp[linux] | rwhitby, so patching it manually is ok? wont hurt? |
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| 04:27.33 | Jack87 | sagi_, I have noticed the PDFs in the adobe reader do not actually contain text or any PDF functions. they all turn into images. is that what you were saying? |
| 04:27.57 | Jack87 | sagi_, also what does your patch do? it renders the images to a lower resolution or to their actual resolution? |
| 04:28.20 | Jack87 | likes to scan his text books to pdf |
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| 04:34.17 | rhcp[linux] | rwhitby, I'm not too familiar with all this. But, Is there someway he can hook the update process of an app. To un-patch the file? before update? |
| 04:34.31 | rhcp[linux] | and then re-patch? or allow the user to re-patch? |
| 04:36.02 | sagi_ | Jack87: It changes the default resolution to a higher value. So the exported PDF pages are higher res PNG files, which are actually readable. |
| 04:36.49 | sagi_ | Jack87: every PDF page you view is exported as a PNG image to a directory in /media/internal/appdata |
| 04:37.16 | Jack87 | ah is it stored there until the reader app is closed? |
| 04:37.38 | sagi_ | Jack87: So the next time you view the same PDF, it's much faster. It keeps the cache forever as far as I can tell. Even after a restart. |
| 04:38.20 | rhcp[linux] | its a great idea. If only we knew how to hook it :) |
| 04:38.31 | Jack87 | sagi_, wouldnt that cause your media/internal drive to fill up fairly quickily (if you are using large PDFs one of my textbooks is over 400mb) |
| 04:38.34 | sagi_ | Jack87: It is capable of keeping different cached versions of the same PDF in different reolutions. Which makes me suspect they wanted to integrate it as a feature, but never had the time. |
| 04:39.16 | sagi_ | Jack87: for scientific articles, every page is ~300KB PNG file. My patch changes it to ~600KB/page. |
| 04:39.37 | Jack87 | kind of annoying to store a pdf file as well as pngs |
| 04:40.00 | Jack87 | hum for users of large PDF files it might not be a great solution? |
| 04:40.13 | Jack87 | i guess i can delete em at the end of each semester |
| 04:40.37 | rhcp[linux] | you could add something on re-start to remove them |
| 04:40.38 | sagi_ | Jack87: I agree, but since the UI is all web, how else would you display a PDF, except for an SDL app? |
| 04:40.55 | rhcp[linux] | if you are worried about space |
| 04:41.21 | rhcp[linux] | one of the init files |
| 04:41.28 | sagi_ | Quickoffice wrote the UI for the adobe reader, Adobe supplied the binary service which exports the PDF to PNG. Kind of their version to ptftk. |
| 04:41.29 | Jack87 | rhcp[linux], the problem there is when it comes to reviewing that PDF it takes a long ass time to re render 600+ pages |
| 04:41.44 | rhcp[linux] | Jack87, Then, you have no option. but to do it manually :) |
| 04:41.56 | Jack87 | sagi_, thanks for helping me understand |
| 04:42.01 | sagi_ | Every page will be rendered when you first view it. It does not render the whole PDF automatically. |
| 04:42.12 | rhcp[linux] | id love to figure out how the hell to hook the update process/install process |
| 04:42.17 | Jack87 | sagi_, ahh I see |
| 04:42.28 | rhcp[linux] | sed or w/e editor out the patch / update / sed it back |
| 04:42.35 | rhcp[linux] | would be uber++ |
| 04:42.36 | sagi_ | rhcp[linux]: I agree. Don't know as well. |
| 04:42.36 | Jack87 | thats why changing pages is a bitch on the big books |
| 04:42.57 | sagi_ | Jack87: Yep. Notice the 2nd time you read the same page it's always much faster. |
| 04:43.23 | Jack87 | sagi_, does the phone pdf reader act in this fashion to? |
| 04:44.09 | sagi_ | Jack87: You could patch it to render the next 10 pages or so. Which should make scrolling faster. I have not checked the phone PDF reader. Only the Touchpad. I have Pre-, and the PDF reader there is barely useable. |
| 04:44.44 | Jack87 | sagi_, yeah on pre- its worthless. and pre2 isnt a whole lot better |
| 04:44.57 | Jack87 | sagi_, it be nice to have an option to render an entire book |
| 04:45.08 | Jack87 | often on textbooks you are jumping from one page to another |
| 04:46.03 | sagi_ | Jack87: It should be a simple modification. I don't know Enyo that well, only did mojo, but adding a menu entry for that, then have the service render the whole book. |
| 04:46.40 | sagi_ | Jack87: this should do the trick. I also want to patch it to KEEP THE SCREEN ON, like the Kindle app. |
| 04:47.38 | Jack87 | sagi_, all that sounds great and handy! |
| 04:49.02 | sagi_ | I'll add that Wiki page, then update it when I have things figured out to add more functionality. You'll have to patch it manually, but it's worth it in my opinion. |
| 04:49.41 | Jack87 | sagi_, totally do able. eventually you may find a patching solution |
| 04:50.39 | rhcp[linux] | Yea and hook the update/install process |
| 04:50.42 | rhcp[linux] | however that is done |
| 04:50.48 | rhcp[linux] | so you can unpatch/patch |
| 04:51.01 | sagi_ | Yep. |
| 04:51.48 | sagi_ | Anyhow, rwhitby- thanks for your help, catch you guys later! Good night. |
| 04:51.49 | rhcp[linux] | its hackish. But you could wrap the binary that does the install. and catch the filename |
| 04:51.53 | rhcp[linux] | lol |
| 04:52.01 | rhcp[linux] | dono if that would work |
| 04:52.10 | Jack87 | sagi_, thanks. have a good one hope to see you around soon. shoot us a link to the wiki page |
| 04:52.20 | sagi_ | Sure. |
| 04:52.23 | rhcp[linux] | Yea, Ill def try it |
| 04:52.25 | rhcp[linux] | soonish |
| 04:52.29 | rhcp[linux] | i read alot of PDF's |
| 04:52.46 | sagi_ | I promise this will make your eyes feel better ;-) |
| 04:53.06 | rwhitby | sagi_: np |
| 04:54.36 | rhcp[linux] | http://forums.precentral.net/webos-development/297963-investigation-poor-pdf-performance-touchpad.html |
| 04:55.28 | rhcp[linux] | he linked me here |
| 04:55.28 | rhcp[linux] | if someone is bored/good at wiki can translate it in :) |
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| 07:26.58 | rwhitby | watch /var/log/messages for the second one |
| 07:27.41 | rwhitby | amichel: how did you run EFW ? with Preware or something else? |
| 07:27.48 | amichel | With preware |
| 07:28.10 | rwhitby | ok, those two commands should recreate the email filecache type |
| 07:28.21 | amichel | http://pastebin.com/MiPhBG6u |
| 07:28.29 | amichel | That's the messages output from the luna-send |
| 07:28.37 | rwhitby | ok, try the email again |
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| 07:29.11 | amichel | Hey, there it goes. Like butter. |
| 07:29.32 | amichel | So, what was it that muffle system logging did that borked up the filesystem cache types configuration? |
| 07:29.45 | amichel | If I may, feel free to not explain it :D |
| 07:29.47 | rwhitby | amichel: are you able to save /var/log/messages to /media/internal and grep back to see if you can find the spot where EFW was installed? |
| 07:30.29 | rwhitby | amichel: patch installation creates a backup file. the backup file was in /etc/event.d/ and interpreted as an upstart script. that caused two filecache daemons to be started, and corrupt each other. |
| 07:30.33 | amichel | Lemme check |
| 07:30.45 | amichel | Oh, nice. |
| 07:31.03 | rwhitby | amichel: a grep for filecache-wipe should find the general area |
| 07:31.34 | amichel | no results |
| 07:31.38 | wrea | Well, wpa_cli scan_results doesnt even show the adhoc |
| 07:31.58 | amichel | timestamps in messages are zulu time, right? |
| 07:33.49 | amichel | The facebook app was not pleased about the missing 'contactphoto' type |
| 07:34.49 | rwhitby | amichel: can you run EFW again, and confirm the types are recreated ? |
| 07:35.02 | amichel | Sure, hold please |
| 07:36.23 | rwhitby | amichel: you can use Impostah to check for the filecache types |
| 07:38.41 | Jack87 | wrea, :( |
| 07:38.52 | amichel | sure, lemme just dig the filetypes sauce out of messages |
| 07:39.02 | amichel | Many things scrolled by :D |
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| 07:41.56 | amichel | Output from messages about filecache-wipe: http://pastebin.com/2ew26Kyi |
| 07:42.00 | amichel | checking impostah now |
| 07:42.22 | amichel | Oh, well, checking after it reboots :D |
| 07:44.08 | rwhitby | amichel: ApplicationInstallerUtility: install: tried to run /media/cryptofs/apps/.scripts/org.webosinternals.emergency-filecache-wipe/pmPostInstall.script as post-install script - result = 1 |
| 07:44.12 | rwhitby | line 28 |
| 07:45.25 | amichel | The filecache button is only showing one entry "backuptempdir", not sure I'm in the right place |
| 07:45.47 | rwhitby | amichel: next I'll get you to run it again, but check the timestamps on the /var/cache/configurator/_etc_palm_filecache_types_* files before and after EFW runs, but before you reboot. |
| 07:46.09 | rwhitby | that's the right place - it means the types have not been recreated |
| 07:46.24 | amichel | Ok, just making sure |
| 07:46.33 | rwhitby | thanks |
| 07:46.48 | rwhitby | so now we need to work out why the postinst script is not doing it's job |
| 07:47.23 | rwhitby | amichel: http://git.webos-internals.org/preware/build/tree/testing/emergency-filecache-wipe/postinst is the script in question |
| 07:47.46 | amichel | Ok |
| 07:47.56 | amichel | Before efw: http://pastebin.com/za1dw6Aa |
| 07:47.59 | rwhitby | we're looking to see if line 14 is being run |
| 07:48.20 | rwhitby | amichel: stop |
| 07:48.31 | amichel | stopped :D |
| 07:48.37 | rwhitby | amichel: before running efw, can you touch just those files to give them a know timestamp? |
| 07:48.46 | amichel | Sure |
| 07:49.05 | rwhitby | I was expecting them to all have the same recent timestamp |
| 07:49.29 | rwhitby | since you removed them earlier and they got recreated by the configurator |
| 07:50.09 | amichel | Ok, touched them all, timestamp 00:49 for all of them right now |
| 07:50.34 | amichel | Shall I run efw now and see what happens? |
| 07:50.37 | rwhitby | ok, now run EFW and capture /var/log/messages and in a separate novaterm window capture the output from ls-monitor too |
| 07:53.14 | amichel | ls-monitor output: http://pastebin.com/r9cSik8i |
| 07:53.49 | amichel | messages output: http://pastebin.com/8pbqSiVJ |
| 07:54.19 | amichel | Oh, I cut that messages output wrong, there's some non-related at the top |
| 07:54.47 | amichel | line 12 and on I think |
| 07:55.43 | amichel | And post-efw ls: http://pastebin.com/YwugMBZi |
| 07:55.48 | rwhitby | ls-monitor lines 60 to 69 show the filecache types being recreated |
| 07:55.50 | amichel | Timestamps are definitely changed |
| 07:56.14 | rwhitby | line 71 is the pivot reload |
| 07:57.45 | amichel | shall I reboot and see what the situation looks like in email? |
| 07:57.54 | rwhitby | amichel: before rebooting, check filecache types again in Impostah |
| 07:58.29 | amichel | Yeah, impostah sees them again |
| 07:58.34 | rwhitby | all those logs look perfect |
| 07:58.48 | rwhitby | so why does it work now, but not before ... hmm. |
| 07:59.26 | rwhitby | the possible failure mode is if the find in the postinst returns an error and the script stops at that point. |
| 08:00.02 | rwhitby | the Type files in /var/file-cache would be removed, and the types would not be recreated since the configurator flag files would still be there |
| 08:00.17 | rwhitby | so I need to remove the flag files before the find, just in case. |
| 08:01.13 | amichel | Makes sense to me |
| 08:01.25 | amichel | rebooting now? |
| 08:01.29 | rwhitby | yep |
| 08:01.44 | rwhitby | and I'll add "|| true" to the end of each line |
| 08:02.25 | amichel | That'll definitely make sure it doesn't error out and stop |
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| 08:03.28 | rwhitby | ok, EFW 1.1.0 pushed to the testing feeds |
| 08:04.09 | amichel | I see it in preware |
| 08:04.44 | amichel | You want a testrun off my pad? I know it was basically working already. |
| 08:04.51 | rwhitby | sure, why not. |
| 08:07.18 | amichel | messages output: http://pastebin.com/1CwMAyMd |
| 08:07.59 | amichel | Isn't this not right: 2011-09-14T08:05:31.666186Z [216] webos-device user.notice configurator[3133]: [configurator] No more configurators left (0 configurations completed, 0 configurations failed), shutting down. |
| 08:09.14 | rwhitby | that's configurators for the package, of which there are none. |
| 08:09.20 | amichel | aaah, ok |
| 08:09.21 | amichel | soryr |
| 08:09.24 | amichel | sorry, that is |
| 08:10.11 | amichel | ls-monitor output: http://pastebin.com/Gk6Swwh9 |
| 08:12.16 | rwhitby | hmm - I don't see the types being created in that |
| 08:13.57 | rwhitby | oh, that's right, I took that out |
| 08:14.04 | rwhitby | cause they get recreated on the reboot |
| 08:14.07 | amichel | they're all there in impostah |
| 08:14.16 | amichel | aahh, rgr |
| 08:14.35 | rwhitby | ok, reboot and check email |
| 08:14.58 | rwhitby | and the del of the editioninfo proves the script got to the end |
| 08:15.11 | amichel | Email works |
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| 08:15.39 | rwhitby | ok, so that's a plausible but not conclusive failure mode fixed. |
| 08:15.55 | rwhitby | amichel: thanks for your assistance in testing it |
| 08:16.39 | amichel | Sure, glad to be useful |
| 08:19.31 | rwhitby | I'm never comfortable when one of our tools causes a problem, and we don't have an easy way for people to fix it. Now I'm feeling comfortable again. |
| 08:20.11 | amichel | It's funny cause I didn't even realize I had a problem until the other guy mentioned it. I thought I just had wonky attachments :D |
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| 08:21.34 | amichel | And it's safe to reinstall muffle system logging? |
| 08:22.20 | rwhitby | check your /etc/event.d directory for *.webosinternals.orig files before and after |
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| 08:22.48 | rwhitby | make sure it's 3.0.2-23 or later you're installing |
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| 08:24.44 | amichel | no *.webosinternals.orig files before |
| 08:24.50 | amichel | or after |
| 08:25.13 | amichel | Haven't restarted Luna yet |
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| 08:31.59 | rwhitby | should be fine then |
| 08:32.13 | rwhitby | let me know if you see any issues |
| 08:32.21 | amichel | can do |
| 08:32.29 | amichel | Looking good after Luna restart |
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| 08:36.53 | witakr | Hello folks |
| 08:37.52 | amichel | I'm gonna head out. @rwhitby thanks again for the fix, glad I could provide some useful data |
| 08:38.03 | witakr | Can someone point me in the right direction... I am in need of help with an issue I am having with installing ubunto on my touchpad |
| 08:38.27 | witakr | Please |
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| 08:40.42 | rwhitby | ~ask |
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| 08:41.51 | witakr | @+infobot okiedoke |
| 08:43.50 | witakr | I followed the instructions provided by liliputing to run Ubuntu 11.04 CHroot on my touchpad but I try to run the Ubuntu 11.04 Chroot I receive a "Service Error (execute)" error message |
| 08:44.48 | rwhitby | how did those instructions differ from the official page at http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/UbuntuChroot ? |
| 08:44.51 | witakr | "Unable to run command: /sbin/inictl start org.webosinternals.ubuntu-natty-chroot 2>&1 |
| 08:45.01 | witakr | uh |
| 08:45.26 | witakr | I dont know.. one sec and I will review that link to determine if I it varies |
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| 08:47.36 | witakr | Ok, it appears they only differ in that liliputing also includes instructions for getting and using Meta-Doctor and partitioning the hd.. Which are just links to the webos-internals wiki |
| 08:49.34 | rwhitby | what tool did you use to install the chroot? |
| 08:49.40 | witakr | preware |
| 08:51.11 | rwhitby | and you've rebooted since installing it? |
| 08:51.15 | witakr | yes |
| 08:51.40 | rwhitby | I'd suggest reinstalling the natty chroot |
| 08:52.23 | witakr | I thought that might be the best thing to do so before I came that is just what i did.. after reinstalling it I receive the same error |
| 08:52.37 | rrix | Make sure your chroot's partition is properly mounted |
| 08:53.09 | rwhitby | bbl |
| 08:54.28 | witakr | @rrix, I thought that might be an issue but I am uncertain how to check it. How do i check if the partition is mouted properly? |
| 08:54.50 | rrix | run mount, and make sure it shows |
| 08:55.21 | witakr | via terminal on my linux pc while connected to the tab via usb? |
| 08:55.28 | witakr | through novaterm? |
| 08:55.48 | rrix | Either xecutah or novaterm |
| 08:55.50 | rrix | yea |
| 08:56.16 | witakr | ok, I don't know how to do it through xecutah so i will go through novaterm |
| 08:56.18 | witakr | one sec |
| 08:57.57 | witakr | just to confirm, i can use "mount -a" in terminal to mount the partition, right? |
| 08:58.15 | rrix | Inded |
| 08:58.17 | rrix | Indeed |
| 08:58.25 | rrix | if its been added to /etc/fstab |
| 08:58.27 | witakr | Ok I did that in terminal |
| 08:58.59 | witakr | In terminal, I didnt get any kind of message indicating where the mount succeeded or failed |
| 09:00.19 | witakr | Should I now try to run chroot on the tab? |
| 09:02.57 | witakr | it should be added to fstab i ran this through terminal prior to mounting: "echo "/dev/mapper/store-ext3fs /media/ext3fs ext3 noatime,data=writeback 0 0" >> /etc/fstab " |
| 09:07.04 | witakr | Is there an official (so to speak) resource to running ubuntu chroot on the tab from webos internals? I can remove the partition and start over using another guide if need be |
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| 11:53.20 | YeahRight | and can i change the default mediaplayer somehow? |
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| 14:08.32 | Douilspe1 | real keyboard is really missing on touchpad imho |
| 14:08.58 | PatrickC_ | Jack87|Away: did he get the meta-doctor working? |
| 14:11.59 | Lazar_Dobrescu | Douilspe1: you can always buy one... |
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| 14:13.06 | PatrickC_ | Douilspe1: I love my bluetooth keyboard |
| 14:15.15 | Douilspe1 | its not matter of money, its just BT keyboard is yet another device, also i have netbook already |
| 14:15.28 | Douilspe1 | so my first idea goes to software keyboard |
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| 14:25.39 | PatrickC_ | a tablet... with a hardware keyboard? |
| 14:31.17 | summatusmentis | then I don't understand the issue |
| 14:31.52 | summatusmentis | if you don't want a netbook-esque machine, and your first thought goes to software keyboard... what's your point? |
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| 16:16.55 | bit-chrome | anyone know if u can have a mojo app close itself? |
| 16:20.41 | PatrickC | that's more of a #webos question. but I don't see why you couldn't |
| 16:22.06 | pcworld | bit-chrome: yes you pretty sure can |
| 16:22.25 | PatrickC | pcworld: hey |
| 16:22.26 | pcworld | have a look at the doc/StageController |
| 16:22.34 | pcworld | PatrickC: hi |
| 16:23.02 | bit-chrome | k, thx |
| 16:23.27 | PatrickC | pcworld: its been working like a charm :) can't wait for public release! |
| 16:23.43 | pcworld | nice :) |
| 16:23.55 | pcworld | have there been any issues with the TouchPad version? |
| 16:24.05 | PatrickC | not that I've seen |
| 16:24.18 | pcworld | is it smooth? |
| 16:24.40 | PatrickC | yep |
| 16:25.25 | pcworld | fine. Not perfect as tablet UI, but if it works... |
| 16:26.22 | pcworld | maybe I'll try to make a splitpane so that you can see both local and remote files at the same time |
| 16:27.24 | PatrickC | you'll need enyo for that |
| 16:28.25 | pcworld | no, the way I implemented the tabs aren't really Mojo, so I don't see a problem in making a splitpane instead of tabs for the TP |
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| 16:53.52 | RagingMind | does anyone know much about eprint? |
| 16:54.51 | PatrickC | I know it gives your printer an email address... |
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| 17:03.50 | RagingMind | I would love to print from my touchpad, but all I have is a samsung laser printer |
| 17:04.34 | RagingMind | I know cups has a setting/module for airprint, would it be possible to set up something so my TP can print to any printer on my cups server? |
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| 17:16.48 | Loudergood | you could probably set that up in the chroot easily...outside of it...I don't know |
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| 17:17.58 | summatusmentis | you'd have to look into how the TP printing stuff works |
| 17:18.21 | Martin____ | hi guys and girls :) |
| 17:18.59 | Martin____ | can anybody help me? I don't find "Preware" in the App Catalog |
| 17:19.14 | Martin____ | i have my TouchPad since yesterday |
| 17:19.25 | summatusmentis | preware isn't in the app catalog |
| 17:19.46 | Martin____ | The best way to learn how to install Preware and other great homebrew applications, patches, themes and custom kernels is to download the Preware Homebrew Documentation app from the official HP webOS App Catalog and follow the extremely detailed step-by-step instructions that are included in that application. |
| 17:19.49 | summatusmentis | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Preware |
| 17:20.12 | Martin____ | ok thx |
| 17:20.13 | summatusmentis | yeah, Preware Homebrew Documentation is in the app catalog |
| 17:20.16 | Martin____ | perfect |
| 17:20.17 | summatusmentis | that's different from Preware |
| 17:20.24 | Martin____ | ah k |
| 17:20.33 | Martin____ | i will download wIRC there |
| 17:20.43 | Martin____ | i think thats the best way or? |
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| 17:41.00 | dtzWill | laammee veer started typing random characters :( |
| 17:41.04 | dtzWill | stuck keyboard? :( |
| 17:41.43 | dtzWill | tests to see if it's somehow kernel related, unfortunately it's frequent enough to be crippling but sporadic enough to make testing for it a PITA |
| 17:41.54 | dtzWill | like it *knows* when to manifest itself or not to ensure i go crazy :) |
| 17:42.31 | dtzWill | looks through warthog patches for such code |
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| 17:45.14 | ghostinator | lol |
| 17:49.42 | dtzWill | nope, just borked :( |
| 17:50.04 | dtzWill | bah and at work i have no useful way to debug it better |
| 17:50.06 | dtzWill | ;.; |
| 17:50.07 | dtzWill | hehe |
| 17:50.30 | ghostinator | im just bored being unemployed, trying to take a stab at the synergy messaging plugins for the touchpad |
| 17:51.35 | Martin____ | thx preware run :) |
| 17:51.39 | dwc- | Martin____: wirc is also available from preware |
| 17:51.47 | Martin____ | any must have apps for webos? |
| 17:53.33 | ghostinator | after redoctoring twice, openssh keygen finally saves the id_rsa.pub in the /home/root/.ssh instead of / |
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| 17:55.11 | dwc- | ssh-keygen saves it by default relative to the user's $HOME is |
| 17:55.21 | dwc- | you can always tell it where you want it instead |
| 17:55.57 | ghostinator | right, and usually the instructions on the wiki worked, but for some reason it just wasn't working correctly. When i told it where i wanted it to be it would but i couldn't login |
| 17:56.03 | ghostinator | im about to try now from ubuntu |
| 17:57.32 | ghostinator | so i still had to manualy run "start mobi.optware.openssh" before it'd let me connect |
| 17:57.48 | dwc- | that has nothing to do with where your ssh-keygen stuck the files it made |
| 17:57.59 | ghostinator | well right, im past that now |
| 17:58.07 | ghostinator | im back to the original problem |
| 17:58.14 | ghostinator | sorry for not clarifying |
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| 18:01.17 | dwc- | what is the original problem |
| 18:01.42 | dwc- | without scrolling back really far, I see youv'e doctored twice and something is doing what you want, and you've solved your other thing |
| 18:01.43 | ghostinator | the server not starting at boot, let me reboot it real quick just to see if it is resolved |
| 18:02.06 | ghostinator | LOL! Precisely! |
| 18:02.31 | dwc- | try changing the upstart "start" line to "start on started org.webosinternals.optware" |
| 18:03.00 | dwc- | (/var/palm/event.d/mobi.optware.openssh) |
| 18:03.06 | ghostinator | k |
| 18:05.15 | ghostinator | doesn't auto start, let me open up internalz and edit that real quick |
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| 18:06.48 | TP|UserTheBest | wirc works :) |
| 18:08.33 | ghostinator | So "start on stopped finish" should be changed to "Start on started org.webosinternals.optware" |
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| 18:14.42 | rhcp[linux] | pixi unlocked: http://1saleaday.com/wireless/ |
| 18:14.44 | rhcp[linux] | 59.99 |
| 18:14.47 | rhcp[linux] | if anyone is interested |
| 18:15.24 | ghostinator | if it was a veer.. or god forbid a pre 3, i'd go sell plasma for it |
| 18:15.40 | rhcp[linux] | too bad its not a verizon. id get it just to play with |
| 18:16.45 | ghostinator | i haven't had a real cell carrier in quite some time, i use my wimax hotspot + google voice on my ipod touch as a phone.. its great since it's free but sucks since i hate this ipod |
| 18:17.04 | rhcp[linux] | that's kinda neat |
| 18:17.07 | ghostinator | woo!! that change fixed it |
| 18:17.12 | ghostinator | openssh now starts at boot |
| 18:17.12 | rhcp[linux] | but you can only use it while inside the house :) |
| 18:17.24 | ghostinator | no.. see thats where the hotspot comes into play |
| 18:17.51 | ghostinator | jacksonville, fl has great wimax coverage.. and just incase im somewhere where it doesnt.. it reverts to sprints 3g |
| 18:18.11 | ghostinator | I have internet everywhere i go in a nice small box, about the size of a veer |
| 18:18.15 | rhcp[linux] | i see. so, its wireless and cordless? and you just carry it around? |
| 18:18.25 | ghostinator | yep |
| 18:18.32 | rhcp[linux] | kinda a cool idea tbh |
| 18:18.37 | rhcp[linux] | i bet it saves you a fortune |
| 18:18.47 | ghostinator | definately.. voip calls are better call quality anyways |
| 18:19.04 | ghostinator | on the 3g i have to enable the audio compression since sprints 3g upload is weak |
| 18:19.27 | rhcp[linux] | Yea, i dono. Im stuck with VZW for the time being. or i might do something like that |
| 18:20.18 | ghostinator | the best part is.. the 4g is unlimited.. no cell carrier does that |
| 18:20.44 | ghostinator | The hotspot also has a nice microsd expansion slot which i mount on my touchpad as a samba share.. i made my 16gb touchpad a 32gb |
| 18:22.24 | rhcp[linux] | I'll have to look into that. |
| 18:22.50 | ghostinator | I don't know if your in a comcast area, but its their xfinity internet 2 go service. hotspot is cheap and you don't have to have a contract.. $40 a month |
| 18:23.14 | ghostinator | Id pay someone great money if they could get the same functionality on the touchpad without having to use skype as a call back number |
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| 18:41.41 | dmillerzx | Hi all hope everyone is well |
| 18:42.19 | dmillerzx | I'm trying to find some information on editing shortcut links to web apps |
| 18:42.33 | dmillerzx | Does webOS give the ability to edit that 'target' line of the embeded link? |
| 18:42.53 | dmillerzx | What I'm trying to do is load the ipad interface for google music on the touchpad. |
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| 18:44.47 | summatusmentis | ghostinator: have you ever had issues with it? |
| 18:46.51 | ghostinator | call quality/ |
| 18:46.52 | ghostinator | ? |
| 18:47.11 | Douilspe1 | how to send ctrl to xterm ? |
| 18:47.28 | summatusmentis | ghostinator: yeah, or just function |
| 18:47.28 | dwc- | ghostinator: who's the wimax provider? |
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| 18:47.37 | dtzWill | Douilspe1: device? phone it's 'gesture', and on touchpad you need a bt keyboard for that |
| 18:47.49 | dtzWill | or, run some virtual keyboard x app |
| 18:48.01 | Douilspe1 | hi |
| 18:48.05 | Douilspe1 | i'm on touchpad |
| 18:48.15 | dwc- | voip call quality with ulaw/alaw should be as good as POTS, just with more latency |
| 18:48.27 | dmillerzx | VoIP quality sucks in general |
| 18:48.38 | Douilspe1 | i have default keyboard and xterm |
| 18:48.41 | dwc- | what VOIP client are you using |
| 18:48.46 | dwc- | many of them really suck |
| 18:48.53 | dmillerzx | Yep |
| 18:49.08 | dwc- | that's not voip's fault =] |
| 18:49.11 | ghostinator | Comcast is the wimax provider, basically they own a good stake in clearwire |
| 18:49.19 | dmillerzx | Me I'm using Asterisk/Trixbox with SIP trunks |
| 18:49.21 | dmillerzx | and it sucks |
| 18:49.21 | dmillerzx | lol |
| 18:49.28 | dwc- | those are servers |
| 18:49.29 | dwc- | what *client* |
| 18:49.35 | dtzWill | Douilspe1: right so then you can't send control presently. |
| 18:50.00 | dtzWill | Douilspe1: not without installing some keyboard x program that you run that fires that event |
| 18:50.10 | ghostinator | No problems really, the app talkatone just ties into google voice, i think they use google's google chat system to make and receive calls. |
| 18:50.18 | ghostinator | Calls are great and so is quality, never really have a problem |
| 18:50.25 | Douilspe1 | dtzWill: have name for the program ? |
| 18:50.39 | Pulser | anyone know if rwhitby made any progress with Truecrypt on WebOS? I saw he mentioned it on preware at http://forums.precentral.net/webos-development/224218-truecrypt.html |
| 18:51.06 | dwc- | dmillerzx: I have yet to find a good voip client on a mac... twinkle works great on linux, there's a small handful of decent ones on windows |
| 18:51.13 | ghostinator | I'll call you on it if you don't believe me |
| 18:51.31 | dmillerzx | The only once I've tried using is X-link |
| 18:51.33 | dmillerzx | For windows |
| 18:51.52 | dmillerzx | dwc are you a dev? |
| 18:51.56 | ghostinator | I use gv mobile + for texts, voicemails, etc and talkatone for the actual calls to and from on my ipod touch. every other system i don't know |
| 18:52.01 | dwc- | a dev of what? |
| 18:52.05 | dmillerzx | webos? |
| 18:52.10 | dwc- | no |
| 18:52.15 | dmillerzx | I see |
| 18:52.37 | dwc- | why do you ask? |
| 18:52.38 | dmillerzx | There has gotta be a way for a google music solution on the touchpad |
| 18:52.46 | dmillerzx | But I'm still new to the platform |
| 18:53.02 | dmillerzx | Looking for some dev help I suppose |
| 18:53.38 | dmillerzx | I want to try and load the iPad tablet obtimized interface on the touchpad without changing the user agent for the entire device |
| 18:53.48 | dmillerzx | For google music that is |
| 18:53.59 | ghostinator | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:54.09 | dmillerzx | How many songs do you have |
| 18:54.12 | dwc- | you might try finding the dude that works at google in #webos |
| 18:54.25 | dwc- | he's submitted some fixes for UI stuff for the other google apps |
| 18:54.30 | dmillerzx | It DOES not function right on the reg site |
| 18:54.41 | dmillerzx | Were they implemented? |
| 18:54.44 | ghostinator | What doesn't? |
| 18:54.53 | summatusmentis | his username was DraX (or some variation thereof) |
| 18:54.53 | ghostinator | Im playing music on it right now from my playlist |
| 18:55.06 | dmillerzx | I dunno I have a lot of songs in mine |
| 18:55.09 | dmillerzx | and it works horribley |
| 18:55.13 | dmillerzx | lagging, can't switch songs |
| 18:55.13 | ghostinator | lol |
| 18:55.24 | dmillerzx | without a page reload |
| 18:55.29 | dmillerzx | DWC thaks |
| 18:56.29 | dmillerzx | aw I found him |
| 18:56.32 | dmillerzx | gonna shot off a PM |
| 18:56.41 | dwc- | yea, that sounds right |
| 18:57.00 | dmillerzx | I'm sure it's be easy for google to push the ipad interface to the touchpad |
| 18:57.05 | dwc- | I have no idea whether they were implemented, tbh |
| 18:57.06 | dmillerzx | but a homebrew work around shouldn't be hard either |
| 18:57.11 | dmillerzx | if only I could find that true URL |
| 18:57.13 | dwc- | I forget exactly what changes they were |
| 18:57.49 | dmillerzx | Well even if he can't make anything happen he might have information regarding the real URL |
| 18:57.55 | dmillerzx | and I can work with that |
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| 18:59.28 | dmillerzx | Not very active huh? |
| 19:00.14 | ghostinator | just out of curiousity, the ZX in your name, any references to that? |
| 19:01.03 | dmillerzx | duh man |
| 19:01.08 | dmillerzx | Megaman ZX :D |
| 19:01.33 | ghostinator | ah, im thinking more of the 300ZX Twin turbo :D |
| 19:01.40 | dmillerzx | lol |
| 19:01.47 | dmillerzx | No although that is a sickass car |
| 19:01.48 | dmillerzx | ;) |
| 19:02.16 | ghostinator | for sure, i miss mine |
| 19:02.22 | ghostinator | This VW isn't cuttin it haha |
| 19:02.27 | dmillerzx | lol |
| 19:06.07 | dmillerzx | Jesus this is about as dead as the precentral forums |
| 19:06.10 | dmillerzx | lol |
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| 19:06.27 | scoutcamper | ~ot |
| 19:06.27 | infobot | rumour has it, ot is for Off-Topic WebOS general chat and can take place in #webos-general |
| 19:07.01 | dmillerzx | Ah thanks same prob there though |
| 19:07.23 | scoutcamper | what "same problem"? |
| 19:07.36 | dmillerzx | little activity |
| 19:08.14 | ghostinator | yeah, check back at night or evening |
| 19:08.27 | dmillerzx | Ah ok |
| 19:08.29 | dmillerzx | Good idea |
| 19:08.36 | ghostinator | just not friday nights.. ask me how i know |
| 19:08.37 | dmillerzx | Someone has gotta have some info on this google music stuff |
| 19:08.42 | dmillerzx | lol |
| 19:08.50 | dmillerzx | Who spends fridays on IRC...... |
| 19:09.04 | ghostinator | guys who are unemployed, and currently don't have a life |
| 19:09.27 | ghostinator | no $$ = no life. hopefully that'll be resolved this friday :D |
| 19:09.37 | dmillerzx | lol |
| 19:09.50 | scoutcamper | this is ot, please move this discussion to #webos-general or other channels |
| 19:10.12 | ghostinator | si capitan |
| 19:10.23 | dmillerzx | Ok so lets talk about google music |
| 19:10.58 | ka6sox-away | and how is Google Music on topic? |
| 19:11.05 | dmillerzx | At least it is a topic |
| 19:11.06 | ghostinator | i can get it to change songs on the touchpad browser if you find the song you want and press the little arrow and that drop down menu pops up |
| 19:11.17 | ghostinator | Well getting it to work smoothly on the touchpad should be right? |
| 19:11.23 | dmillerzx | I'm trying to develop a solution for google music |
| 19:11.35 | ka6sox-away | then that is On Topic :D |
| 19:11.44 | dmillerzx | That's what I figured |
| 19:11.44 | ka6sox-away | so develop an app. |
| 19:11.53 | dmillerzx | That's why I'm here trying to get info |
| 19:11.53 | ka6sox-away | and people will test :D |
| 19:11.58 | ghostinator | lol, i thought you were away ; |
| 19:12.00 | ghostinator | ;) |
| 19:12.40 | dmillerzx | I need to pick the brains of developers |
| 19:12.44 | dmillerzx | but it appears I should come back at night |
| 19:12.48 | dmillerzx | :D |
| 19:12.50 | ghostinator | indeed |
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| 20:10.14 | Jack87 | PatrickC, yeah his meta doctor got going and he doctored his pre+ |
| 20:10.26 | PatrickC | cool! |
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| 20:27.22 | Douilspe1 | ok with dev paswsword on i had to do : /usr/local/bin/novaterm -c login -r mypassword |
| 20:27.28 | Douilspe1 | then /usr/local/bin/novaterm |
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| 20:39.16 | dwc- | sounds about right |
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| 20:59.51 | Coweater | i set up the sdk and was able to build doom, but now i'm trying to build the hello application from git and i'm missing the shared objects for cjson, dbus, gdbus and lunaservice. where have i gone wrong? |
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| 21:04.05 | ner8 | hwy dudes! |
| 21:04.19 | ner8 | wich feed is including QT? |
| 21:04.42 | ner8 | found this nice articel http://www.griffin.net/2010/02/qt-on-the-palm-pre.html |
| 21:05.24 | ner8 | and on this page it is listed http://git.webos-internals.org/ |
| 21:05.41 | ner8 | but wich feed is it? |
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| 21:09.27 | ner8 | any help? |
| 21:09.53 | roadkill | You'll just have to wait for an answer. |
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| 21:16.45 | linuxjacques | ner8: maybe the stuff in http://git.webos-internals.org/qt/ |
| 21:17.53 | linuxjacques | bear in mind, that article was written before the touchpad came out. tp has webos3 which includes qt libs (though nobody has tried using them for a PDK app AFAIK) |
| 21:19.41 | ner8 | my Veer runs on 2.1.1 i did not got a awesome tp :( |
| 21:20.04 | ner8 | if any will change a boexed Veer to a TP? |
| 21:20.06 | linuxjacques | ner8: OK, I didn't know |
| 21:20.06 | ner8 | ;) |
| 21:20.23 | linuxjacques | is it a vlack veer? |
| 21:20.25 | linuxjacques | black |
| 21:20.44 | ner8 | hope fully it will get a webos3 |
| 21:20.47 | ner8 | yes |
| 21:20.53 | ner8 | and not open |
| 21:21.02 | ner8 | like fresh from the store |
| 21:22.15 | linuxjacques | I want a black veer, but not enough to give up my tp :-) |
| 21:22.42 | rhcp[linux] | I got an extra TP coming. but not looking for a trade :( |
| 21:22.46 | rhcp[linux] | dont need a veer |
| 21:22.50 | halfhalo | black veers are pretty nice |
| 21:23.08 | rhcp[linux] | if it was vzw 4G lte maybe :) |
| 21:23.14 | ner8 | :D yes thet why i hav e 2 :) |
| 21:23.31 | ner8 | sorry Eurpoe UMTS only :( |
| 21:23.32 | halfhalo | I use my veer as my main phone, but have the pre2 in my bag. whenever I pull out the pre2 I always end up going "holycrap" |
| 21:23.35 | wrea | I have to send in my new veer in for repair |
| 21:24.02 | ner8 | wera why? |
| 21:24.22 | wrea | Riddled with stuck pixels |
| 21:24.36 | ner8 | so if some one will change ;) let me know Veer 8GB to tp ;) |
| 21:24.38 | linuxjacques | ouch |
| 21:24.47 | ner8 | or Pre3 ;) |
| 21:25.03 | ner8 | oh:( |
| 21:25.16 | ner8 | will try qt on it |
| 21:27.13 | ner8 | but gn8 cu |
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| 21:28.19 | ner8 | the veer is the best phone since my lovly N900 |
| 21:28.30 | ner8 | i hate the iPhone ot just sucks! |
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| 22:07.57 | LarrySteeze | My veer looks kind of funny next to my evo 3d |
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| 22:08.32 | Douilspe1 | i try get ubuntu with preware and fail downloading |
| 22:09.07 | Douilspe1 | twice |
| 22:11.21 | LarrySteeze | When I try to open "Preferences & Accounts" on my sprint pre 2, it causes luna to crash :-( |
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| 22:14.13 | LarrySteeze | Jack87: I just realized you are in all four channels that I'm in |
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| 22:33.44 | Douilspe1 | is there a way to install ubuntuchroot when download fail |
| 22:34.24 | Douilspe1 | i mean downlaoding manually then using usb to put on touchpad |
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| 22:44.47 | witakr | hello folks |
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| 22:45.32 | ka6sox | Douilspe1, you mean the chroot bits, not the ipkg? |
| 22:45.52 | ka6sox | I suppose you could, if you had the url that the installer uses. |
| 22:46.18 | Douilspe1 | the package downloaded by curl |
| 22:46.28 | Douilspe1 | inside preware |
| 22:46.45 | ka6sox | if you have the url then sure |
| 22:47.04 | ka6sox | but you would have to put it where it belongs. |
| 22:47.17 | ka6sox | however. |
| 22:47.19 | Douilspe1 | in log files |
| 22:47.28 | witakr | Mr Whitby... Thanks for your hel yesterday... i managed to get linux installed... in fact im here using xchat on my touchad right now |
| 22:47.43 | ka6sox | I don' t know if the postinst is smart enough to recognize that you already have downloaded it. |
| 22:48.04 | ka6sox | I kind of doubt it. |
| 22:48.34 | rwhitby | Douilspe1: download the ipk manually from ipkg.preware.org, put it on your USB drive, and install with Preware |
| 22:48.35 | Douilspe1 | and use curl in reccursive mode ? |
| 22:48.55 | Douilspe1 | ok |
| 22:48.59 | Douilspe1 | ty |
| 22:49.08 | ka6sox | rwhitby, doesn't the actual chroot get downloaded separately? |
| 22:49.12 | ka6sox | or am I misteaken |
| 22:49.23 | witakr | for some reason though i am not able to use the letter that is to the right of thd O key....lol |
| 22:49.52 | witakr | thats O as in oh... not zero |
| 22:50.27 | rwhitby | ka6sox: it does not |
| 22:50.44 | ka6sox | then I *am* misteaken. |
| 22:50.46 | ka6sox | good. |
| 22:51.30 | witakr | its ok though... i just enjoy geeking out from time to time and i will be removing linux from my touchad soon anyway |
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| 22:55.58 | witakr | well thanks again rwhitby for your hel yesterday.. i'm out like a fat kid in baseball...later |
| 22:56.06 | RagingMind | witakr, technically if you removed linux from your touchpad it wouldn't boot because linux in the kernel for many distributions including webos. I'm guessing you mean a Debian or Ubuntu chroot |
| 22:56.48 | witakr | yes but "linux" is easer to tyoe |
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| 22:57.31 | witakr | i figured it was not needed for me to elaborate in this instance |
| 22:58.52 | RagingMind | most in here probably knew what you meant, but for the newer people to webos/linux that show up in here it's better to keep the terminology consistent |
| 23:00.42 | witakr | understood, for the record i used "linux" as a reference to ubuntu chroot |
| 23:01.00 | Douilspe1 | rwhitby: how to launch local install from preware ? |
| 23:01.08 | oil | but... linux is a kernel |
| 23:01.12 | oil | :) |
| 23:01.59 | RagingMind | Douilspe1, you mean installing a package that you have locally on the media partition? |
| 23:02.14 | Douilspe1 | ya |
| 23:02.22 | RagingMind | it's in the swipe down menu |
| 23:02.50 | Douilspe1 | ok ok ty |
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| 23:29.22 | LarrySteeze | rwhitby: are you around? I hear you've disassembled a veer |
| 23:33.57 | LarrySteeze | alright...and my own disassembly proceeds... |
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