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| 00:10.23 | dwc- | I haven't heard otherwise, so my assupmtion is you need a sim card like for the others |
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| 00:19.33 | Abyssul | Why not use metadoctor to sign in |
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| 00:58.00 | SineOt | Hmm⦠Has there been work done on figuring out the key codes for the Touchpad wireless keyboard? |
| 01:00.50 | Jack87 | SineOt, i think ka6sox-away and cryptk|offline might of played with it.. or if they havent they will soon enough. dtzWill any insight here? |
| 01:02.24 | dtzWill | SineOt: what do you mean? :) |
| 01:02.38 | SineOt | Jack87: Hmm. Yeah I'm trying to figure out what the key codes it sends for the "media" row are so that I can remap them in OSX |
| 01:03.04 | SineOt | Most of the tools I've tried under OSX won't actually give the key codes since they get intercepted by some media layer somewhere before they |
| 01:03.12 | SineOt | they're actually registered as presses :p |
| 01:03.15 | dtzWill | SineOt: do you mean using X? |
| 01:03.31 | SineOt | using anything, I think? |
| 01:03.33 | dtzWill | oh you legit mean on osx |
| 01:03.41 | SineOt | yeah I mean legit on OSX |
| 01:03.55 | SineOt | you can futz the mapping but without knowing the key codes it sends you can't do much |
| 01:03.56 | dtzWill | just hook it up to a linux box and use 'xev' or similar |
| 01:04.05 | dtzWill | not sure on mac sorry : |
| 01:04.06 | dtzWill | *:( |
| 01:04.16 | Abyssul | Did anyone get any news on porting 2.2 to Pre2? |
| 01:04.25 | Jack87 | SineOt, you want to use hp keyboard on osx is what you are saying? |
| 01:04.29 | SineOt | dtzWill: I'll give that a shot |
| 01:04.34 | SineOt | Jack87: yeah. I'm using it right now! XD |
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| 01:05.14 | Jack87 | SineOt, what does card button and control button do or even sym button? |
| 01:05.42 | SineOt | Jack87: card maps to command, control is⦠Well, control (deep, I know) and sym maps to option |
| 01:05.54 | SineOt | Jack87: the playback keys work as well for controlling media |
| 01:06.09 | dwc- | maybe in X11 you can xev on the mac |
| 01:06.17 | Jack87 | SineOt, very cool... any access to esc? and eject? |
| 01:06.45 | SineOt | Jack87: esc maps to⦠Whatever the like message bubble with the "pop" in it is (without owning a touchpad I have no idea what that key does) and power to the power key |
| 01:06.48 | SineOt | no eject though |
| 01:07.47 | Jack87 | that button is a quick glimpse at notifications... so no edject button? power is actual physical power button like a mac would have? |
| 01:07.57 | Jack87 | eject* |
| 01:08.11 | Jack87 | does brightness and vol controls work? |
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| 01:09.36 | SineOt | Volume yes, brightness I would assume so |
| 01:10.02 | SineOt | Don't have a laptop or iMac so those don't work even on the legit OSX keyboard |
| 01:10.13 | SineOt | by legit OSX I mean the Apple aluminum |
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| 01:25.24 | esprsoman | hello |
| 01:25.34 | Abyssul | Hey |
| 01:26.26 | esprsoman | just poking my head in, reading through the wiki |
| 01:26.38 | esprsoman | got my $100 touchpad, and goofing around with it. |
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| 01:51.22 | SineOt | well, after fiddling a ton with VMs⦠Time to boot into windows and make a USB stick >:C |
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| 02:19.00 | Abyssul | Can anyone access the catalog? |
| 02:19.11 | Abyssul | I get a "the action could not be completed. try again later" |
| 02:19.46 | rwhitby | #webos reckons there's a power outage in CA |
| 02:20.51 | Abyssul | hmm |
| 02:25.49 | Abyssul | Seems like its down according to the forums |
| 02:26.02 | Abyssul | I was just about to check out the new homebrew doc app |
| 02:26.25 | Loudergood | works on my pre2 |
| 02:26.25 | jacques | they didn't pay the power bill |
| 02:26.33 | Loudergood | just downloaded a free app |
| 02:27.02 | jacques | or it could be http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/09/08/california.power.outages/index.html |
| 02:27.02 | wrea | rwhitby, yeah. San Diego, Orange counties and some or arizona |
| 02:27.11 | rwhitby | app cat working on my Pre 3 |
| 02:27.31 | wrea | My brother is stationed in SD and he's been without for hours now |
| 02:30.32 | Abyssul | thats a big power outage |
| 02:30.38 | Abyssul | Doesnt work on my TP |
| 02:36.58 | tmzt | geist: if you want to control what apps get built in an instance of lk the best thing to do is copy the project makefile and change it? |
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| 03:03.01 | ghostinator | in the sys log for the touchpad, user.emerg. changing scan rate to 30hz.. what exactly is it scanning |
| 03:05.49 | discord | can somebody help me understand the differences between the installing ubuntu from the instructions at the starter guide http://forums.precentral.net/hp-touchpad/293028-new-touchpad-heres-your-get-started-guide.html and the partioning and metadoctor install |
| 03:05.54 | discord | ? |
| 03:09.39 | discord | I'm under the impression that if I follow the starter guide that I'd be able to run ubuntu under webos using xecutah, and i'm guessing that if I do the metadoctor/ partioning install that ubuntu will run itself without webos, am i correct? |
| 03:09.39 | ghostinator | no |
| 03:09.39 | ghostinator | for best performance, you want to partition |
| 03:09.40 | discord | ? |
| 03:09.40 | ghostinator | Both ways use xecutah |
| 03:09.40 | discord | ok, i understand preformance |
| 03:09.40 | discord | ok, so basically ubuntu will always run along with webos, either way I install ubuntu, I'll just get better performance |
| 03:09.40 | ghostinator | right |
| 03:09.45 | ghostinator | it'll run in a card just like any other app |
| 03:13.29 | discord | I'm confused by step 6 in the instructions:Build the custom doctor by running the script, or otherwise building it. |
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| 03:13.39 | discord | do I just type make to run the scripts |
| 03:14.26 | discord | under how to enable wifi profiles |
| 03:14.41 | discord | step 6 |
| 03:15.00 | discord | make |
| 03:15.01 | discord | DEVICE = undefined |
| 03:15.01 | discord | CARRIER = undefined |
| 03:15.01 | discord | VERSION = |
| 03:15.01 | discord | INSTALL_WIFI_PROFILES = 1 |
| 03:15.03 | discord | CUSTOM_BOOTLOGO = scripts/WebOS-Internals.tga |
| 03:17.30 | discord | discord@chocolate:~/meta-doctor$ |
| 03:17.31 | discord | nevermind |
| 03:17.31 | discord | i think i got it |
| 03:18.22 | discord | can somebody tell me what are the wifiprofiles exactly? Is it just a backup of my wifi passwords and networks? |
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| 03:20.37 | NuttyBunny | discord: yep, that's the idea, that way you can activate over wifi |
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| 03:23.43 | Coweater | do any of the preware apps used node? |
| 03:27.24 | NuttyBunny | the hello app ;) |
| 03:27.24 | NuttyBunny | ah, no, I think that's not on Preware, sorry |
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| 03:27.30 | rwhitby | NuttyBunny: it is now, in the testing feed |
| 03:27.47 | rwhitby | tweaks also uses node I believe |
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| 03:28.20 | NuttyBunny | rwhitby: Ah, so it is THE hello app? I saw it but I didn't paid much attention :) |
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| 09:29.21 | pcworld | rwhitby: I submitted a patch 10 days ago, is it expected that it's not approved or went something wrong? |
| 09:29.51 | rwhitby | pcworld: probably no-one has gotten to it yet. I'm intending to do a patch processing run this evening after I reflash my Pre 3. |
| 09:30.02 | PAinToad | Internalz Pro wont launch without browser.conf |
| 09:30.25 | pcworld | then use novacom put or Quick Install or whatever |
| 09:30.35 | PAinToad | Sorry for being a pain |
| 09:31.27 | pcworld | rwhitby: ok, thanks, was just asking because it reminded me of all the problems with the HP AppCatalog |
| 09:32.38 | rwhitby | pcworld: no, feel free to hassle if no-one gets to it. this last week has been busy for a number of reasons, including preparing and giving a presentation at webOS connect in sydney, which has used up all the free time. |
| 09:34.37 | pcworld | it's really no problem, wanted just to make sure that it's not a technical issue/bug ;) |
| 09:34.42 | rwhitby | I've got 60 patches to go through tonight :) |
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| 09:36.35 | SimpsonTP | hi, are there any efforts to make webos run on other mobile HW ? |
| 09:37.33 | pcworld | currently, not afaik |
| 09:37.51 | pcworld | there have been tries some time ago and ended up in broken hardware |
| 09:38.40 | pcworld | it's not simple because webOS isn't opensource |
| 09:38.46 | hucksy | is this possible? isnt the mainsystem and driver closedsource? |
| 09:38.52 | hucksy | ah k ;) |
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| 09:39.14 | pcworld | kernel is opensource, but not things like LunaSysMgr/Luna |
| 09:39.55 | rwhitby | hidd and gl userspace is closed too |
| 09:40.23 | hucksy | yeah, all the gpl stuff is opensource, but thats not enough |
| 09:40.47 | pcworld | the only components that are opensource (from a license point) are the ones they are forced to because of the license |
| 09:41.05 | SimpsonTP | okay |
| 09:41.54 | PAinToad | isnt Luna just html? |
| 09:42.03 | pcworld | no |
| 09:42.21 | pcworld | Luna is the component that manages the UI, including webkit (I think) |
| 09:42.41 | pcworld | and webkit handles the HTML apps/system UI |
| 09:44.06 | PAinToad | Is setting EnableAppCache to false the best way to stop webos shitty caching? |
| 09:45.11 | pcworld | shitty caching? |
| 09:45.39 | PAinToad | infinitely caching webpages |
| 09:46.38 | st34tlh | does it affect performance in any way? |
| 09:47.41 | PAinToad | increasing the frequency of garbage collection of cache does, but dont think turning caching off. Havent tested much but |
| 09:47.45 | pcworld | this setting sounds more like caching apps, but not for the browser |
| 09:48.12 | PAinToad | its in browser-platform.conf |
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| 09:58.58 | rwhitby | pcworld: why is your patch marked for verizon wireless only? 2.1.0 is on verizon and unlocked Pre 2 devices and the patch applies to boht |
| 09:59.48 | rwhitby | pcworld: why is it not just an update to the existing Auto BCC patch for 2.1.0 ? |
| 10:00.00 | pcworld | I have a non-vzw version of the patch, which includes patches for localization resources |
| 10:00.19 | pcworld | I had to remove templates for many languages |
| 10:00.48 | pcworld | vzw webOS seems just to include templates for English/Spain |
| 10:01.10 | pcworld | does that make sense? |
| 10:02.59 | pcworld | rwhitby: the same reason sconix has seperate VZW patches of his advanced patches |
| 10:04.45 | rwhitby | pcworld: ok, thanks. |
| 10:10.07 | pcworld | thanks for approving |
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| 10:56.04 | PAinToad | wat does "unset cfq io scheduler" do? |
| 10:59.44 | rhcp[linux] | PAinToad, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CFQ |
| 11:01.22 | PAinToad | would installing it effect battery? |
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| 13:09.12 | ryu2k8 | hey guys |
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| 13:14.49 | ryu2k8 | anyone here? |
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| 14:01.06 | Abyssul-Pre | Got a reply from the BHome author |
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| 14:13.38 | Maracas | good morning. where can I get some help with an issue after upgrading from webos 1.45 to 2,1? |
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| 14:21.11 | Abyssul-Pre | Here |
| 14:28.07 | Abyssul-Pre | Maracas,whatca need |
| 14:28.34 | Abyssul-Pre | Or not.. |
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| 14:33.41 | Maracas | thank you. I upgraded yesterday my pre plus from 1.45 to 2.1 After that, I had big time problem signing back in to my profile. It just doesnt login. I had to create a new profile to use the phone. Now, once inside, it doesnt setup backup, does not connecto to app catalog, and I have no idea on how to restore my old info from the original profile |
| 14:33.43 | Maracas | can anyone tell what happened and how do I fix this issue? |
| 14:34.41 | rwhitby | is it an AT&T Pre Plus? |
| 14:35.40 | Maracas | yes |
| 14:36.14 | Maracas | it was att pre plus. i unlocked it and now use it in another country. I've had it for a year next month |
| 14:37.55 | Abyssul-Pre | Arnt you suppose to delete ur old backup prior to upgrade? |
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| 14:40.38 | Maracas | Following instructions, I disabled backups in my device. About erasing backups in the Palm servers, I have no clue on how to do that. Everytime I access my palm profile from my computer, it just shows my phone info, and last back up date, but no files. Am I doing the right steps? |
| 14:41.48 | Abyssul-Pre | Well first is that you cant transfer data from one palm profile to another |
| 14:42.09 | doubledub-pre2 | Disabling backups is supposed to delete backup at palm profile. |
| 14:42.44 | doubledub-pre2 | Is pre+ still on a us network? |
| 14:42.51 | ruumis | did anyone else get burned by this thing? http://forums.precentral.net/hp-touchpad-homebrew/297651-muffle-system-logging-blocking-email-attachments.html |
| 14:43.16 | Abyssul-Pre | Ruumis, nope. I muffle logging via ##logs#. |
| 14:43.19 | Maracas | well, then I did, but after doing everything, it just wont login to palm profile at welcome screen |
| 14:44.23 | Abyssul-Pre | Whats the exact error |
| 14:47.43 | Maracas | at sign in, it doesn sign in with my original profile. It says that it cannot restore data, to try again later. If I create a new profile, it runs fine and activates the phone, but nothing else about the new profile works fine, like it doesnt backup, no access to app catalog. |
| 14:49.01 | RagingMind | does the touchpad do BT Pan? |
| 14:49.37 | bedrock | @ RagingMind no :( |
| 14:50.02 | RagingMind | well not from the GUI, but neither did any of the phones until freetether |
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| 14:51.51 | RagingMind | NuttyBunny, good morning |
| 14:52.04 | NuttyBunny | Hey RagingMind :) |
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| 14:55.29 | Maracas | So, is there a solution? |
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| 15:07.08 | Maracas | hello? |
| 15:07.16 | Abyssul | Hello |
| 15:08.30 | Maracas | so, is there a way to get back all my info from my old profile? |
| 15:09.46 | Abyssul | have you ever logging into a 2.x device with that profile before? |
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| 15:11.37 | Maracas | no. this was my first time. Before I used to login very easily with a 1.4.5 version |
| 15:11.42 | rwhitby | Maracas: HP changed the servers. You can't run 2.1.0 on an AT&T Pre+ any more and get profile access. |
| 15:12.12 | Maracas | ok. that is nice to know. then, how do I fix this issue? |
| 15:12.20 | Maracas | is there a fix? |
| 15:12.21 | Abyssul | Maracas, stick to 1.4.5 |
| 15:12.53 | Abyssul | Doctor back to 1.4.5 and log in to your original profile |
| 15:13.03 | rwhitby | Maracas: either stick to 1.4.5, or learn how to change tokens with Meta-Doctor to make it into a P101UEU ROW Pre+ instead of an AT&T Pre+ (and there's no guarantee that will fix it either) |
| 15:13.15 | Abyssul | rwhitby, why allow sprint pre- but not att Pre+? |
| 15:13.51 | rwhitby | Abyssul: because someone's sister's best friend's cat's birthday didn't end in a 2. |
| 15:13.57 | Maracas | Gosh, how am I hating HP for what they have done, destroyed PALM and now its products |
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| 15:15.02 | NuttyBunny | Maracas: you're not alone, believe me |
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| 15:16.30 | Maracas | I know. I really hope they give the software to another company that will really make things better |
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| 15:17.37 | Abyssul | Just along for the ride... |
| 15:18.07 | Maracas | and where could I learn that changing tokens that rwhitby mentions? |
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| 15:23.37 | Maracas | alo? |
| 15:35.30 | Lazar_Dobrescu | I am running 2.1.0 on my ATT pre+.. does that mean it would not work if I had to doctor again? what is the problem exactly Maracas? |
| 15:35.58 | Lazar_Dobrescu | I can't backup but I do have access to app catalog(not webos2 apps obv) |
| 15:36.20 | Lazar_Dobrescu | I did have to log in to my profile through impostah though |
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| 15:38.10 | Lazar_Dobrescu | It was also my understanding(from stuff rwhitby said at some point) that changing those tokens would not help because once you had activated a device once with HP it remembered which device it was and would not let you change anything |
| 15:38.24 | Lazar_Dobrescu | but maybe I was wrong about that |
| 15:38.39 | haydnh | is unpacking hi TP at last! |
| 15:39.45 | Maracas | hold on. I am reading |
| 15:40.25 | rwhitby | Lazar_Dobrescu: yeah, that's why I said there was no guarantee |
| 15:41.43 | Lazar_Dobrescu | Maracas: when I doctored my phone I could not log in to an existing profile just like you but when I created a new one it did give me app catalog access... maybe that changed |
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| 15:42.05 | Lazar_Dobrescu | rwhitby: no guarantee but you think there's a chance it could work? |
| 15:42.08 | Maracas | no, it keeps the same problem. But now I get everyting |
| 15:42.34 | Lazar_Dobrescu | what keeps the same problem Maracas? |
| 15:42.43 | Maracas | HP simply screwed us all up, and does not want us to upgrade, but to buy the new phone |
| 15:43.10 | Lazar_Dobrescu | Maracas: yeah it's annoying that the only NA GSM pre+ can't get 2.1 :) |
| 15:44.19 | Lazar_Dobrescu | note that it's not that big an improvement over 1.4.5 when you can't install webos 2 apps anyhow, which you could never do on AT&T pre's |
| 15:44.27 | Lazar_Dobrescu | so take comfort knowing you don't lose that much :) |
| 15:44.41 | Maracas | then, thank you rwithby and lazar. I will try it out for until sunday, if I can get it running almost like before, then I'll keep it, if not, I will do a rollback to 1.4.5 |
| 15:44.52 | Lazar_Dobrescu | Maracas: did you try though impostah? |
| 15:45.15 | Maracas | No, I havent tried impostah. how do I try it, and what difference will it make? |
| 15:45.42 | Lazar_Dobrescu | it did allow me to log on to an existing account when I had the same error at activation screen |
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| 15:45.54 | Lazar_Dobrescu | basically I created a new one, but then installed impostah and used it to log on to my old one |
| 15:46.11 | rwhitby | Lazar_Dobrescu: was your activation screen error a restore failure? |
| 15:46.31 | Lazar_Dobrescu | It said cannot restore data just like Maracas said |
| 15:46.49 | Lazar_Dobrescu | I didnt care bout restored data anyhow I just wanted the apps I had bought to still be available |
| 15:47.07 | Lazar_Dobrescu | so that worked out ok for me |
| 15:47.38 | Lazar_Dobrescu | Maracas: sorry bout that, to try it you just install it through preware |
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| 15:47.45 | rwhitby | Lazar_Dobrescu: that's a normal error for upgrades. some backup data is not compatible, and the login fails due to it |
| 15:48.25 | Lazar_Dobrescu | it did happen for an account that I had created on 2.1 though |
| 15:48.29 | rwhitby | nothing to do with accepting the login or not, purely a backup restore issue. if you meta-doctor with developer mode already on you can see the corresponding error message in /var/log/messages when it happens |
| 15:48.32 | Maracas | rwithby, but it also doesnt make backups afterward |
| 15:48.49 | Lazar_Dobrescu | like, I doctored to 2.1, created an account, then immediately re-doctored to 2.1 and could not restore |
| 15:49.01 | Lazar_Dobrescu | but maybe it's because backups no longer work so I don't know |
| 15:49.04 | rwhitby | the not making backups is due to the server change to exclude devices not authorised by the carrier for 2.x |
| 15:49.17 | Lazar_Dobrescu | yep.. I definitely can't do backups |
| 15:49.23 | Lazar_Dobrescu | but that's a very lesser pain imo |
| 15:49.50 | doubledub-pre2 | rwhitby: does this affect sprint pre2's? |
| 15:50.41 | Lazar_Dobrescu | I think it only affects, AT&T, Bell, Telcel and WR pre(+) |
| 15:51.26 | rwhitby | doubledub-pre2: no |
| 15:51.38 | doubledub-pre2 | rwhitby: thx |
| 15:52.01 | Maracas | ok. so rwhitby, one last question, how do I restore my old apps from this point? |
| 15:52.10 | rwhitby | doubledub-pre2: of course that answer may be valid today but not tomorrow, since it's determined server-side |
| 15:52.27 | Lazar_Dobrescu | Maracas: if you're not using the same profile you can't get your paid apps |
| 15:52.33 | Lazar_Dobrescu | without paying again |
| 15:52.41 | doubledub-pre2 | Understood. |
| 15:52.51 | Maracas | ok. sucks, but ok |
| 15:53.20 | Maracas | and to get back to my old profile, if it still gives me signin problem? |
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| 15:53.59 | Lazar_Dobrescu | did you try impostah? with what rwhitby just said it seems doubtful but worth a shot :) |
| 15:54.06 | Lazar_Dobrescu | otherwise the answer is go back to 1.4.5 |
| 15:54.25 | Maracas | OK, how do I impostah? |
| 15:54.31 | Lazar_Dobrescu | install it from preware |
| 15:54.44 | Maracas | does impostah allow me to get my old apps? |
| 15:54.53 | Lazar_Dobrescu | if it allows you to sign in to your profile |
| 15:55.02 | Lazar_Dobrescu | it will allow you to (manually) redownload em for free |
| 15:55.26 | Maracas | ok. I will give it a try. Preware. I will find it there |
| 15:57.07 | Maracas | will you please remind me how to install preware? I have to enable developer mode, correct? How do I enable developer mode in 2.1? |
| 15:57.26 | Lazar_Dobrescu | same way, upupdowndownleftrightleftrightbastart |
| 15:57.34 | Lazar_Dobrescu | then install it using WebOS Quick Install |
| 15:58.42 | Maracas | didnt work the upupdowndown...blah. It opened the web brower |
| 15:59.36 | rwhitby | for preware install, see http://bit.ly/phd-ac |
| 15:59.39 | Maracas | in 1.4.5 it was 2001 something, ? |
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| 16:00.59 | divStar | wow I am surprised how easy it's to use the widgets within the webos sdk once you understood their anatomy o_o |
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| 16:01.40 | doubledub-pre2 | 20090606 |
| 16:01.58 | PatrickC | upupdowndownleftrightleftrightbastart ;) |
| 16:02.07 | doubledub-pre2 | webos20090606 |
| 16:02.48 | doubledub-pre2 | Or get the app rwhitby suggested. |
| 16:02.57 | Maracas | got it |
| 16:03.02 | PatrickC | wow.... f15 kills f4 in boot times :) |
| 16:03.09 | PatrickC | thanks uNiXpSyChO|Zzzzz!!!!! |
| 16:04.48 | Maracas | great. now I will try it and see what happenes |
| 16:06.41 | haydnh | It's like christmas here today - so many parcels to open! |
| 16:07.26 | rwhitby | haydnh: was the same here yesterday - an extra touchpad and Pre 3 :) |
| 16:08.53 | haydnh | TP, TP touchstone, TP case, Pre charger, Pre touchstone and new wireless router all turned up on same day... |
| 16:09.20 | rwhitby | nice |
| 16:09.34 | Maracas | rats. Now it wont install Preware. Any error message |
| 16:11.31 | m0ngr31 | rwhitby: how is the pre3? is it worth dropping $600 to get one from england? |
| 16:12.40 | haydnh | r |
| 16:12.43 | pcworld | with only 5.x GB available flash and about 300-350 MB available RAM I think not |
| 16:13.09 | pcworld | worse than on Pre2 |
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| 16:14.33 | haydnh | I love mine, much better than my Pre- |
| 16:16.36 | PatrickC | rwhitby: is the pre3 good? or is it just a big pre2? |
| 16:16.42 | PatrickC | s/good/better/ |
| 16:17.33 | Maracas | gosh. I am getting an error while trying to install preware on my phone. |
| 16:17.58 | pcworld | what error? |
| 16:18.05 | pcworld | Quick Install? |
| 16:19.06 | Maracas | yes. quick install is giving an error while trying to install preware |
| 16:19.26 | Maracas | Lazar, still here? |
| 16:21.13 | pcworld | "an error" isn't specific |
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| 16:22.57 | Maracas | that is all it says. a big pop-up window with ERROR inside. If I could post the screen image you could see it |
| 16:25.25 | PatrickC | Maracas: what version of Quick Install are you using? |
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| 16:27.56 | Maracas | 3.14 and if you have been looking at my thread, yesterday I upgraded to webos 2.1 |
| 16:28.44 | Maracas | gosh, this is becoming a giant mess |
| 16:28.47 | PatrickC | 3.14?! that's old |
| 16:28.53 | PatrickC | 4.3 is the newest |
| 16:29.11 | PatrickC | IIRC |
| 16:29.13 | Maracas | and where do I find it? |
| 16:29.20 | rwhitby | yes, http://bit.ly/phd-ac recommends 4.x |
| 16:29.52 | NuttyBunny | rwhitby: you're still here 'cause it's saturday over there, right? :) |
| 16:30.51 | Maracas | found it. downloading it. will check if it fixes the thing |
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| 16:33.36 | Maracas | I will buy the document. dont worry |
| 16:33.38 | rwhitby | NuttyBunny: yep, and I'm doing some intricate meta-doctoring on a special Pre 3 |
| 16:33.57 | Maracas | now, I cant find preware in the new webos quick install |
| 16:34.24 | NuttyBunny | we're still on friday morning over here.. *sigh* |
| 16:34.26 | rwhitby | http://install.preware.org - use one of the other methods. |
| 16:35.48 | PatrickC | NuttyBunny: in 25 minutes it'll be Friday Afternoon ;) |
| 16:40.49 | destinal | rwhitby: wow, pre3 has only 380 useable RAM for webos? that's a lot less than pre2 :( |
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| 16:41.55 | happycube | ouch... that's a pretty large memory bite for a qualcomm |
| 16:42.05 | happycube | (pre2 had a separate radio chip) |
| 16:42.11 | destinal | err and a lot less than pre+ (ouch) :) not much more than pre- overall |
| 16:43.12 | PatrickC | wow.. that's.... just wow |
| 16:43.29 | happycube | would've liked the touchpad to have omap4 |
| 16:43.39 | destinal | I just don't get who decided that less than 1 gb made sense for a device with RAM shared to baseband |
| 16:43.49 | Maracas | ok, found it and trying out. wait a few to test what rwithby and lazar have recommended |
| 16:44.05 | happycube | most android devices have <=512mb. the g1 only had 192mb... shared. |
| 16:44.36 | destinal | happycube: yes but webos is notoriously inefficient with RAM |
| 16:45.05 | destinal | and most android devices weren't intended for simultaneous multitasking ala webos either |
| 16:45.13 | happycube | yup |
| 16:46.28 | rwhitby | bbt |
| 16:46.45 | happycube | k |
| 16:46.55 | happycube | agreed - 1gb ram would make sense for pre3 |
| 16:48.14 | PatrickC | I would like to see 1.5GB ;) |
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| 16:49.32 | Maracas | ok. finally ran impostah. Now, looking at my original profile, what does accountstate with B stand for? |
| 16:49.40 | pcworld | rwhitby: but why only 5.3GB available flash? I don't think GPU and the like are using the flash drive... |
| 16:51.02 | destinal | pcworld: qualcomm also uses a good deal of the flash as well |
| 16:51.25 | pcworld | 2GB?! |
| 16:51.49 | destinal | well and some is the operating system and database storage partitions, I don't know how it all adds up offhand |
| 16:52.03 | Maracas | lazar, you still here? |
| 16:53.08 | dtzWill | is there a good way to see any changelog for an app cat app? just hope it's in the description? |
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| 16:54.47 | PatrickC | dtzWill: or if they put one in the source... |
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| 16:57.32 | Maracas | rwhitby? |
| 16:57.50 | PatrickC | Maracas: did it work? |
| 16:58.38 | Maracas | well, I finally got impostah installed, but now I dont know how to get my old info restored. Lazar was helping, but he kind of got lost |
| 16:59.38 | PatrickC | why do you need Impostah? |
| 17:00.15 | NuttyBunny | crap... fsck.vfat is sloooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooowwww!! |
| 17:01.22 | Maracas | because I upgraded my pre plus to webos 2.1 yesterday, and I havent been able, at first, to access my original profile, so I had to create a new profile, and then, I havent been able to restore all my apps from my original profile into the new profile |
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| 17:02.21 | PatrickC | hmm.. did you erase backup data before doctoring? |
| 17:02.42 | Maracas | yes. |
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| 17:02.54 | Lazar_Dobrescu | Maracas: did you try activation menu from impostah? |
| 17:03.27 | Lazar_Dobrescu | you can enter an email and password to login to a profile thyere |
| 17:03.41 | Maracas | also rwhitby recommended to change tokens, but dont know how on that part. But still, dont know from here, how to restore my old profile |
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| 17:10.00 | jojox | hi everybody ^^ |
| 17:11.05 | jojox | i search a keyboard pliant bluetooth compatible hp touchpad !! |
| 17:11.26 | jojox | i m not sure does exist |
| 17:12.22 | Lazar_Dobrescu | by exist do you mean is not backordered or exists somewhere is good enough? |
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| 17:12.50 | Lazar_Dobrescu | also I think #touchpad would be a better place to ask :) |
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| 17:14.02 | Lazar_Dobrescu | in any case HP did make one... it's sold out in a lot of stores though |
| 17:14.28 | destinal | you can also use most any bluetooth keyboard, doesn't have to be the HP one |
| 17:15.59 | robobot[0] | http://kb.hpwebos.com/wps/portal/kb2/na/touchpad/touchpad/wifi/solutions/article/21765_en.html#N1011B |
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| 18:59.40 | izza | discord: Also no reiserfs because we don't want subliminal messages in the logs causing people to murder their wives. |
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| 19:36.56 | rhcp[linux] | wrea, you know in pre-ware you can flash a kernel that supports EXT4 yea? |
| 19:37.22 | rhcp[linux] | its just a config flag in the kernel config |
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| 19:41.14 | wrea | I know |
| 19:42.08 | sagi__ | Can someone help me with creating a patch? I was working on a way to make PDF files render better on the touchpad, and it seems it can be done by changing two parameters in the com.quickoffice.ar app |
| 19:44.47 | bikr_ | is anyone rocking 1.9ghz stable yet? I'm on f15 1.8 now.. |
| 19:45.01 | bikr_ | F4 i mean |
| 19:45.16 | bikr_ | F4 Phantom @ 1.8 is pretty stable.. |
| 19:46.53 | PatrickC | bikr_: I run F15, but I normally run bleeding edge :) |
| 19:47.03 | rhcp[linux] | sagi__, Sit around for a bit. someone will help you. |
| 19:47.15 | bikr_ | PatrickC: Have you been stable at 1.9? |
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| 19:47.20 | rhcp[linux] | Im running ubder at 1.5 |
| 19:47.27 | PatrickC | bikr_: it seems so, yes |
| 19:47.27 | rhcp[linux] | i was @ 1.9 |
| 19:47.28 | sagi__ | rhcp[linux]: sure, thanks. |
| 19:47.30 | rhcp[linux] | its stable |
| 19:47.38 | rhcp[linux] | nebula, might be able to help you |
| 19:47.40 | PatrickC | sagi__: what do you need help with? |
| 19:47.40 | rhcp[linux] | he knows his way |
| 19:52.20 | Lazar_Dobrescu | I thought you only had to create a normal .patch file... |
| 19:53.06 | sagi__ | PatrickC: I know what file I want to patch and I can look at the source code of existing patches to figure out syntax etc. My question is about /var/palm/jail. Seems like quickoffice directories are mounted as /dev/root -> /var/palm/jail/media/cryptofs/... So applying this patch requires LunaRestart to make it work. I think I should be modifying the file in /media/cryptofs/... and then it should be remounted under /var/palm/jail after the |
| 19:53.07 | sagi__ | next restart? Not sure how the /var/palm/jail thing works. |
| 19:54.05 | PatrickC | a patch will always require a luna restart, no matter what it edits, if what's what you were asking? |
| 19:55.32 | sagi__ | OK. So it's not because of /var/palm/jail. That answers my question I guess. Thanks. |
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| 20:56.52 | Tobias24 | hi guys :D |
| 20:57.08 | Tobias24 | at what price is the HP Pre 3 a "bargain" ? |
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| 21:13.29 | Boopop | Under 100 (insert currency) imo |
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| 21:20.53 | sam___ | hey, how does one set overclocking on both cores? |
| 21:21.35 | sam___ | I am stuck with one core having overclocking dpeed |
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| 21:31.16 | destinal | Boopop: uh since it's probably MSRP of $600 off contract, so the ~$270'ish off contract on the euro store is a really good deal |
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| 21:32.25 | eurisko | hi everyone i just ordered a veer from the us new inside box. can someone tell me if i can activate the device without a at&t card? |
| 21:32.30 | destinal | Boopop: consider that handsets are generally much more expensive than tablets (miniaturization costs money) |
| 21:33.14 | destinal | eurisko: you discover? :) |
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| 21:33.47 | destinal | eurisko: yes you can using the ##DEVMODE# bypass and the Impostah application |
| 21:34.30 | eurisko | thanks, destinal |
| 21:34.41 | eurisko | i am so happy :) can't wait to get it |
| 21:35.46 | destinal | eurisko: veer is a really cool device IMO (amazing what they can pack into such a small package) |
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| 21:36.11 | wrea | Hmm. I'm trying to do make package on pcre and the originating ipkg is not available anymore |
| 21:38.23 | eurisko | destinal, yeah 800mhz inside such a small thing it's incredible! |
| 21:38.42 | eurisko | i just hope it doesn't toast my hands :) |
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| 21:42.40 | destinal | eurisko: I think you can overclock it to 1.1ghz but the kernel to do that is still in our testing feeds |
| 21:43.26 | destinal | that one might make it warmer though :) |
| 21:44.10 | wrea | Great for the winter |
| 21:44.24 | eurisko | hum? i think it's better to run it at stock speed |
| 21:44.31 | eurisko | or is it underclocked? |
| 21:45.47 | destinal | eurisko: it's the scorpion MSM7230, rated for 800mhz so yeah you're probably right, in general |
| 21:50.45 | Boopop | Also consider that the OS is probably dead destinal xD |
| 21:50.53 | Boopop | Or it seems that way to me...Samsung doesn't want it |
| 21:50.57 | Boopop | I can't see anyone else wanting it |
| 21:51.28 | Boopop | Sure HP can support it but without any licensees it's pointless |
| 21:51.35 | geist | hey, dont forget printers! |
| 21:52.10 | cat-xeger | *shrugs* |
| 21:52.23 | cat-xeger | I'll give it a while yet. |
| 21:53.34 | Boopop | I'd say give it 3 months |
| 21:53.36 | Boopop | 6 tops |
| 21:53.38 | Boopop | then it's dead |
| 21:53.45 | Boopop | and buried |
| 21:54.03 | Boopop | especially if WP7 picks up |
| 21:54.23 | Boopop | Windows Phone + Windows 8 combo looks pretty enticing |
| 21:55.33 | ziggo0 | One could only imagine what could be accomplished with WebOS's source. |
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| 22:04.42 | eurisko | Boopop do you really think wp7 will ever pick up? |
| 22:07.31 | Boopop | It's possible |
| 22:07.44 | Boopop | Heck, it's got more chance than wOS picking up! |
| 22:08.01 | Boopop | I think if they get some good tablets out, and people have a play about with metroUI on Windows 8, and like it |
| 22:08.24 | eurisko | well my think they have the same chances, and they are close to none |
| 22:08.29 | Boopop | the idea of having a desktop, tablet and smartphone that are similar to eachother like that is appealing |
| 22:08.50 | Boopop | however windows 8 isn't going to be released for a while |
| 22:08.52 | robobot[0] | windows 8 and windows phone will explode |
| 22:08.54 | eurisko | everyone hates micro$oft, the ui it's not that great and they need great hardware to run it |
| 22:09.09 | Boopop | "Everyone hates micro$oft" |
| 22:09.11 | Boopop | lol |
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| 22:09.39 | robobot[0] | windows 8 on touchpad, anyone? |
| 22:09.42 | Boopop | Sorry but that's just made me not take your opinion too seriously >.< |
| 22:09.51 | eurisko | eheh |
| 22:09.58 | eurisko | but it's my perception |
| 22:10.08 | Boopop | Hate's a very strong word, if everyone hated MS, they would have got out of business a decade ago |
| 22:10.26 | eurisko | it's like women Boopop |
| 22:10.42 | eurisko | everyone complains about them, but everyone keeps them arround |
| 22:10.53 | Boopop | Personally I think that metroUI is pretty unique and interesting |
| 22:11.13 | Boopop | by putting windows 8 on ARM |
| 22:11.22 | Boopop | they're bringing the phone and computer platforms together |
| 22:11.24 | Boopop | a smart move |
| 22:11.26 | eurisko | that can be neat |
| 22:11.45 | Boopop | Plus the things they're doing with Windows 8 look good |
| 22:11.47 | Boopop | faster boot times |
| 22:11.55 | Boopop | improved file transfer dialogs (AT LAST) |
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| 22:12.08 | eurisko | microsoft had been doing quite a nice things lately, the sources of the xp kernel are open for the academy for example? i really like them a little more now :) |
| 22:12.27 | Boopop | A MS OS I'm looking forward to...shocking |
| 22:12.31 | Boopop | I completely skipped Vista |
| 22:12.34 | Boopop | well, not skipped |
| 22:12.38 | Boopop | but it was never my main OS |
| 22:12.41 | eurisko | i like windows 7, it's installed on my laptop |
| 22:12.56 | eurisko | and windows server 2008 r2 was a great evolution |
| 22:13.08 | Boopop | I've got WHS on my server xD |
| 22:13.18 | eurisko | but come on? it's true everyone hates them |
| 22:13.20 | Boopop | couldn't be bothered with a proper enterprise-y server OS |
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| 22:14.33 | eurisko | lately i have been programming for windows ce, and itsn that bad? the problem is vs.. that sucks hard |
| 22:14.50 | Boopop | Really? I quite like VS |
| 22:14.58 | eurisko | i hate it |
| 22:15.00 | Boopop | I've dabbled in Eclipse and Netbeans |
| 22:15.06 | Boopop | I preferred VS |
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| 22:15.20 | Boopop | Netbeans royally screwed me over for my web services coursework at uni |
| 22:15.21 | eurisko | i used eclipse, xcode and vi+ makefile |
| 22:15.33 | eurisko | vs is the worst |
| 22:15.51 | Boopop | Well I'm trying to get a job as a C# developer so... :P |
| 22:15.59 | eurisko | deployment to the smartdevices are always failing |
| 22:16.11 | eurisko | i am coding c/c++ to win ce |
| 22:16.20 | eurisko | sometimes i do some wrappers in c# |
| 22:16.26 | eurisko | but mainly i am hating the job |
| 22:16.34 | Boopop | bummer |
| 22:16.35 | eurisko | it's just a summer job (thnak god) |
| 22:16.40 | Boopop | I did badly in my C course |
| 22:16.41 | eurisko | :) |
| 22:16.49 | Boopop | haven't tried C++ |
| 22:17.17 | eurisko | skip it |
| 22:17.24 | Boopop | lol |
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| 22:17.26 | robobot[0] | lol |
| 22:17.35 | Boopop | The guy who taught C said C++ was a horrible language |
| 22:17.42 | eurisko | i think it nowadays it doesn't have any major interest |
| 22:18.01 | Boopop | thing is if it's the most widely used language, whether it's horrible or not doesn't really come into it |
| 22:18.10 | Boopop | however there seems to be plenty of C# jobs |
| 22:18.12 | Boopop | well |
| 22:18.17 | eurisko | i doubt it's the most used language |
| 22:18.18 | Boopop | hopefully plenty enough that I get hired! |
| 22:18.18 | robobot[0] | Boopop: eurisko doesn't want you competing for his job |
| 22:18.27 | Boopop | True :D |
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| 22:18.39 | eurisko | on the spot where i am working i am coding in c/c++ mainly |
| 22:18.42 | Boopop | But then he doesn't even know what country I'm in xD |
| 22:18.50 | eurisko | the other guys everyone is coding in c#/java |
| 22:19.07 | eurisko | brb |
| 22:23.09 | eurisko | back as i was saying the guys from my college from informatics don't learn c++ neither i do in electrical engineering |
| 22:24.23 | eurisko | only c , java and python on my course. on informatics they also learn c# |
| 22:28.03 | yazgoo | Hi, did anyone here tryied http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Accelerometer ? |
| 22:29.11 | yazgoo | When I SIGINT the program, the accelerometer is not handled by webos anymore. |
| 22:29.40 | yazgoo | even when IÂ HidEventDeInit(); |
| 22:29.40 | yazgoo | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:30.26 | yazgoo | (handling SIGINT). |
| 22:30.48 | yazgoo | Same goes for the buttons. |
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| 22:31.15 | Pusha | hello |
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| 22:53.29 | m0ngr31 | does someone know if it's possible to perminately change the part number of my touchpad? |
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| 23:16.02 | destinal | m0ngr31: yes, it is -- oh, you're gone |
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| 23:41.09 | m0ngr31 | so i have a demo unit that i had to activate through impostah. is there a way to force it to download all my apps like use the first use app? |
| 23:46.21 | rwhitby | erase the backup and the device and then go through the first use proces |