| 00:02.06 | lordbah | How do I send a break signal in xterm on TP? |
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| 00:10.32 | lordbah | How do I hide the keyboard in xserver? |
| 00:10.43 | rwhitby | tweaks |
| 00:10.55 | rwhitby | as stated in the splash screen to which you clicked "I've read this" |
| 00:12.15 | rwhitby | lordbah: TP xterm is missing lots and lots of keys. can't do a lot of things. |
| 00:13.27 | lordbah | Oh that was weeks ago and I figured if I needed something it would be in the wiki. |
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| 00:13.47 | rwhitby | lordbah: please add it to the wiki then |
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| 00:21.02 | dtzWill | lordbah: if you have a bt keyboard things should work, all 'cept escape |
| 00:22.30 | lordbah | dtzWill: Hmm, got the ps3 one around. |
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| 00:24.17 | lordbah | dtzWill: No ctrl key there either though. |
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| 00:58.46 | lordbah | ps3 wireless keypad (I know, so what) |
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| 01:03.21 | SineOt | does anyone know if webOS 2.2 on the Pre3 brought in better support for the Touchpad wireless keyboard? |
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| 01:15.50 | ajay | heya! |
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| 01:17.22 | green-- | hm, is there a way to tell webOS not to rotate the wallpaper when the screen is rotated (without orientation lock). It really looks ugly when rotating |
| 01:22.34 | ka6sox-away | green--, I wish! |
| 01:22.55 | sdct989 | Is there a way to scroll up in the terminal in xecutah's xterm? |
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| 02:11.04 | kneejerk | this place is on fire |
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| 02:12.15 | Tibfib | your place is one fire |
| 02:12.20 | Tibfib | DANGIT |
| 02:12.22 | Tibfib | s/one/on/ |
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| 02:14.02 | kneejerk | good try i guess |
| 02:16.52 | kneejerk | is tibfib an homage to your lower arm? |
| 02:17.20 | Tibfib | hmmm |
| 02:17.25 | kneejerk | oops leg |
| 02:17.26 | Tibfib | tibia is in your leg |
| 02:17.34 | Tibfib | but aye, it is |
| 02:17.39 | kneejerk | i was thinking radius and ulna |
| 02:17.45 | Tibfib | ah yes |
| 02:18.07 | ajay | kneejerk: he's so close to you, how could you have messed that up?? :) |
| 02:18.32 | Tibfib | almost snarkily replied "is kneejerk an homage to your elbow?" |
| 02:18.44 | kneejerk | no im just a jerk |
| 02:18.47 | Tibfib | then I realized that might have been an accidentaly mistake |
| 02:18.55 | Tibfib | OH MY GOSH |
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| 02:20.17 | kneejerk | what do you mean by close? he is i nTX |
| 02:20.25 | kneejerk | inTX |
| 02:20.25 | destinal | Tibfib: isn't that kind of a kneejerk reaction to seeing the handle kneejerk? :P |
| 02:20.56 | destinal | or sorry, rather a kneejerk reaction to his Tibfib comment? |
| 02:20.56 | Tibfib | heheh |
| 02:21.03 | kneejerk | i just love the human body |
| 02:21.28 | destinal | we need more anatomical names in here, we have two bones and a joint represented |
| 02:21.32 | Tibfib | kneejerk: server !== location |
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| 02:21.42 | kneejerk | ahh |
| 02:21.50 | Tibfib | I think it typically does. but not this time |
| 02:21.54 | kneejerk | what does mine say? |
| 02:22.03 | Tibfib | OR |
| 02:22.21 | Tibfib | "close" was referring to knee to tibia |
| 02:22.22 | kneejerk | i suppose i can whois myself |
| 02:22.26 | Tibfib | aye |
| 02:22.54 | kneejerk | i see the patella |
| 02:23.52 | kneejerk | scapula anyone? |
| 02:24.55 | kneejerk | i am not in oregon |
| 02:25.15 | ka6sox | I already have 2 shoulderblades. |
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| 02:26.04 | kneejerk | the way i remeber is is scapula starts with s and clavicle starts with c |
| 02:26.09 | kneejerk | collar bone |
| 02:26.23 | kneejerk | * it |
| 02:27.00 | kneejerk | who thought this would have turned into an anatomy lesson? |
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| 02:27.28 | Tibfib | erggh what was I working on |
| 02:27.40 | kneejerk | sorry |
| 02:27.49 | haydnh | Wtf? When did #webos-internals become #human-internals?!? |
| 02:27.57 | kneejerk | android in cards? |
| 02:29.00 | ghostinator | I'm getting wicked bad touch pad freezes.. hard reset is the only remedy. I'm checking the logs to trackin |
| 02:29.05 | ghostinator | it down |
| 02:29.30 | kneejerk | you got all the patches ans oc? |
| 02:29.38 | kneejerk | *and |
| 02:29.57 | Tibfib | ghostinator: I'm guessing an app is leaking memory |
| 02:30.46 | ghostinator | maybe, I'll try and see. its really jntermittent |
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| 02:31.47 | ghostinator | which makes for for fun trouble shooting |
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| 02:32.32 | ghostinator | yeah its not related to the 1.8ghz as it happens at 1.2 as well |
| 02:33.14 | Tibfib | do you have the sdk installed? |
| 02:33.19 | kneejerk | im sticking to 1.5, i cant have the boys get too hot |
| 02:33.24 | ghostinator | yep |
| 02:33.26 | kneejerk | you know |
| 02:33.32 | ghostinator | whatever you want let me know |
| 02:33.38 | Tibfib | ghostinator: run palm-worm from the command line |
| 02:33.45 | ghostinator | one min |
| 02:33.52 | Tibfib | that should help you out if it is a bad behaving app |
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| 02:38.11 | ghostinator | looks like jstop, only shows wirc, lumberjack and govnah. not the 2 browser windows I have open |
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| 02:50.55 | ghostinator | palm worm is no use to me... JavaScript heap and memory usage is fine |
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| 03:06.34 | Dr_Drache | hey guys |
| 03:08.01 | wrea | hi |
| 03:08.30 | Dr_Drache | i'm wondering about socks5/vpn setup on my touchpad. |
| 03:08.59 | Dr_Drache | i have a socks/ssh server i use for my other devices, is there a way to make this work for the touchpad? |
| 03:09.18 | Dr_Drache | or an opensource VPN server that supported the supported protocols? |
| 03:10.12 | wrea | well, i think openvpn is available through preware |
| 03:10.18 | ka6sox | Dr_Drache, the only one I know we support outside of webOS's is openVPN. |
| 03:10.43 | Dr_Drache | openvpn. i didn't see that in preware, but honestly, i never looked |
| 03:11.03 | Dr_Drache | thanks |
| 03:11.09 | wrea | I wish openvpn was there natively. |
| 03:11.35 | Dr_Drache | how well does it work? |
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| 03:12.30 | Dr_Drache | seriously, this seems like a bitch to setyp, lol |
| 03:12.34 | Dr_Drache | thanks |
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| 03:16.50 | Dr_Drache | wait, it's all commandline? blah. where is the easy button? |
| 03:17.31 | wrea | Gotta program your own easy button |
| 03:18.19 | wrea | Does your router support PPTP? |
| 03:18.49 | Dr_Drache | it might. |
| 03:18.54 | Dr_Drache | havn't checked |
| 03:19.08 | destinal | Dr_Drache: http://www.houseofpalm.com/palm.application.com-simplebeta-ezbutton-xAw.aspx |
| 03:19.30 | wrea | If it does then PPTP support is built in and you're good to go |
| 03:19.35 | destinal | it's literally the easy button |
| 03:19.37 | destinal | :P |
| 03:19.48 | Dr_Drache | i hate you :P |
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| 03:20.56 | destinal | omg EZ button won $1000 in hot apps? @($!#!# |
| 03:21.19 | destinal | kicks himself for not writing something |
| 03:21.29 | Dr_Drache | so |
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| 03:24.13 | Dr_Drache | i can't find info on my router. |
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| 03:24.17 | Dr_Drache | dammit |
| 03:24.33 | Dr_Drache | someone just give me a cisco vpn software, k thnx |
| 03:24.59 | wrea | what router do you have? |
| 03:25.14 | Dr_Drache | wndr3700 |
| 03:25.19 | Dr_Drache | netgear |
| 03:25.51 | Dr_Drache | http://support.netgear.com/app/products/model/a_id/11640 |
| 03:28.45 | wrea | looks like it supports it. |
| 03:29.17 | Dr_Drache | yea... blah... i think i am too noob. |
| 03:29.24 | Dr_Drache | this is alot of work :P |
| 03:29.28 | Dr_Drache | lol |
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| 03:31.00 | jonpry | ka6sox, you know anything about random disconnected on novaterm? |
| 03:32.20 | ka6sox | mostly I've gotten that because of a bad connection to the TP from the host. |
| 03:32.35 | geist | crappy usb cables will do it |
| 03:32.39 | geist | there are sooo many of those in the world |
| 03:32.45 | geist | and/or crappy hubs |
| 03:33.34 | jonpry | its just the provided cable |
| 03:34.28 | ka6sox | jonpry, its always been a bad connection |
| 03:34.55 | jonpry | switching usb ports on my laptop has no effect |
| 03:34.55 | ka6sox | I've done some ugly stuff to the OS and it keeps on ticking. |
| 03:35.35 | ka6sox | blow on the connector in the TP and insert a few times. |
| 03:35.51 | ka6sox | thats the only thing I've seen before. |
| 03:36.24 | ka6sox | my original pixi I needed to replace the USB connector..but it was WELL used. |
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| 03:40.15 | jonpry | seems to be working now for whatever reason |
| 03:42.00 | ka6sox | good... |
| 03:42.29 | jonpry | i swear this particular touchpad is a bit shady |
| 03:42.38 | ka6sox | I've had novaterm not *work* which required a reboot but never random disconnnects unless it was a flaky connector or HUB. |
| 03:42.44 | jonpry | bad screen, bad ts, bad usb.... |
| 03:43.04 | ka6sox | why do we even work on this eh? |
| 03:43.19 | jonpry | need better hardware :p |
| 03:44.59 | ka6sox | the NC is about as bulletproof as I've ever seen. |
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| 03:48.26 | bhuey | folks |
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| 03:57.38 | ajay | see yaz! |
| 04:01.51 | robobot[0] | Anyone here set up airprint? |
| 04:02.07 | rhcp[linux] | i did once a long time ago |
| 04:02.13 | rhcp[linux] | it was a pain in the balls |
| 04:02.19 | rhcp[linux] | and didnt work right :/ |
| 04:02.23 | rhcp[linux] | prob did it wrong |
| 04:05.18 | robobot[0] | i'm about to buy a [unsupported] printer and was hoping to use my router |
| 04:06.03 | rhcp[linux] | i wouldnt |
| 04:06.09 | rhcp[linux] | unless you can bring it back |
| 04:06.12 | rhcp[linux] | i had a horrid time with it. |
| 04:06.18 | rhcp[linux] | though you might get lucky :) |
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| 04:07.32 | robobot[0] | the airprint would be a bonus, but it isnt necessary |
| 04:07.52 | rhcp[linux] | i need to see whats up with my TP |
| 04:08.00 | rhcp[linux] | i dont feel like dr'ing it for no reason |
| 04:08.00 | robobot[0] | because there's no way i'm buying a supported airprint printer |
| 04:08.22 | rhcp[linux] | you know much how ipkg works? |
| 04:08.24 | rhcp[linux] | from novacom? |
| 04:09.03 | robobot[0] | nope |
| 04:10.49 | rhcp[linux] | too bad |
| 04:10.53 | rhcp[linux] | want to see if i can fix this |
| 04:10.55 | rhcp[linux] | without having to dr it |
| 04:13.39 | robobot[0] | what do you need? |
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| 04:14.52 | rhcp[linux] | I had about 10 packages on the internal storage |
| 04:14.59 | rhcp[linux] | i ran a script to install them all using ipkg install X |
| 04:15.05 | rhcp[linux] | it wound up running out of space |
| 04:15.09 | rhcp[linux] | and it seems kinda fucked up :) |
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| 04:15.50 | geist | sweet |
| 04:16.27 | rhcp[linux] | yea :) |
| 04:16.33 | rhcp[linux] | Im just going to DR it i guess |
| 04:16.37 | dwc- | you installed them all in / I think |
| 04:16.38 | rhcp[linux] | dono whats up |
| 04:16.39 | rhcp[linux] | :P |
| 04:16.43 | rhcp[linux] | dwc-, me too |
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| 04:16.52 | rhcp[linux] | not sure how to fix it |
| 04:16.58 | dwc- | ipkg uninstall 'em |
| 04:17.03 | rhcp[linux] | i tried |
| 04:17.08 | rhcp[linux] | oh |
| 04:17.11 | rhcp[linux] | minus the .ipk? |
| 04:17.19 | rhcp[linux] | ipkg uninstall filename |
| 04:17.23 | rhcp[linux] | minus .ipk? |
| 04:17.24 | dwc- | whatever ipkg list says |
| 04:17.25 | rhcp[linux] | let me try that |
| 04:17.28 | rhcp[linux] | oh |
| 04:17.31 | rhcp[linux] | i can try |
| 04:17.32 | dwc- | sorry list_installed |
| 04:17.35 | rhcp[linux] | go one by one |
| 04:17.37 | rhcp[linux] | worth it |
| 04:17.37 | rhcp[linux] | tbh |
| 04:18.20 | rhcp[linux] | figured id save myself time. by getting each ipk then using the install each one by one :) |
| 04:18.23 | rhcp[linux] | guess i thought wrong |
| 04:18.25 | rhcp[linux] | or did it wrong |
| 04:21.21 | Abyssul | I'm guessing it's not as easy as copying the contents of the webos.tar in the 2.2 doctor into a Pre2 to update is it :p |
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| 04:28.14 | dwc- | you could try it, let us know if it works :) |
| 04:28.47 | wrea | yeah, be the guinea pig |
| 04:29.50 | Abyssul_ | I dc'ed what happened? |
| 04:30.22 | Abyssul_ | oh, just saw the logs :p |
| 04:30.40 | Abyssul_ | Hmmm Im thinking of trying it but I just know that it isnt that simple |
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| 04:37.37 | rhcp[linux] | well it cant hurt :) |
| 04:37.41 | rhcp[linux] | if it works cool |
| 04:37.44 | rhcp[linux] | going to try now |
| 04:37.45 | rhcp[linux] | :) |
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| 04:38.34 | Abyssul_ | I do have some spare Pre2's to experiment on instead of my own |
| 04:38.40 | Abyssul_ | Ill try it tomorrow if I ge tthe chance |
| 04:41.05 | sailerboy | Abyssul_, you have 4 of them don't you? |
| 04:41.05 | sailerboy | lol |
| 04:41.32 | sailerboy | Abyssul_, btw, my bro is loving his pre 2 |
| 04:41.35 | sailerboy | thanks for pointing me to it |
| 04:43.51 | Abyssul_ | No problem |
| 04:43.52 | Abyssul_ | Get yours? |
| 04:44.05 | Abyssul_ | Yeah I have my 4. Still finding out what to do with them |
| 04:44.59 | wrea | Give one to me |
| 04:46.11 | Abyssul_ | Nice try |
| 04:46.21 | wrea | It was worth a shot |
| 04:46.59 | wrea | DId you get them from hp for the $50? |
| 04:47.08 | Abyssul_ | What would you do for a Palm Pre 2? *Klondike jingle* |
| 04:47.17 | Abyssul_ | Indeed |
| 04:48.58 | geist | sell crack on the street |
| 04:49.07 | geist | stab a hooker, hide the body |
| 04:49.16 | geist | burn down an orphanage |
| 04:50.49 | ka6sox | wow... |
| 04:50.51 | ka6sox | :D |
| 04:50.52 | rrix | its what i do |
| 04:51.16 | scoutcamper | lol |
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| 04:52.23 | dwc- | hmm |
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| 04:53.14 | dwc- | got skype packages installed on my pre2... not sure the services are running correctly... adding an account seems to cause some exceptions |
| 04:53.55 | dwc- | be nice if I had a pre3 so I could see how these things were supposed to be running |
| 04:54.03 | wrea | Abyssul_, lucky. I missed out on it :\ |
| 04:54.15 | sailerboy | Abyssul_, pointed me to them :) |
| 04:54.49 | Abyssul_ | dwc-, what are you trying to do? |
| 04:54.55 | dwc- | get skype running |
| 04:55.04 | Abyssul_ | on a non-VZW phone? |
| 04:55.10 | dwc- | yes |
| 04:55.15 | Abyssul_ | I thought about that |
| 04:55.34 | dwc- | oh here we go, an emulator image for the pre3 |
| 04:55.39 | dwc- | maybe there first |
| 04:55.53 | Abyssul_ | why use that? Look in the 2.1 doctor for the vzw pre2 |
| 04:56.06 | dwc- | the vzw pre2 stuff connects over the vzw voice network |
| 04:56.19 | dwc- | I already tried that a number of months ago |
| 04:56.37 | Abyssul_ | Thats some serious BS :( |
| 04:56.37 | dwc- | it connects to the servers, but is rejected because the source IP isn't a vzw IP |
| 04:56.48 | Abyssul_ | To the PRe3 then! |
| 04:57.07 | dwc- | that's what I'm trying |
| 04:57.11 | Abyssul_ | You'd think it would be a simple .ipk package like the sprint navi |
| 04:57.18 | wrea | I wish I was in the bay area still, could have gone to the hp store |
| 04:57.29 | dwc- | I copied over all the pre-installed skype dependencies, and then the skype ipk |
| 04:58.02 | dwc- | but since I'm not sure exactly what the setup is supposed to look like, it's a little difficult to know which part is broken on my pre2 |
| 04:58.27 | Abyssul_ | --force-depends? |
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| 04:59.51 | dwc- | yes |
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| 05:02.56 | Abyssul_ | you got the .ipk from wr.tar right? |
| 05:03.55 | dwc- | yes |
| 05:03.57 | Abyssul_ | what a shame... the mantaraycdmafw.tar is empty |
| 05:04.24 | scoutcamper | :( |
| 05:05.26 | rhcp[linux] | dwc-, I think you were right |
| 05:05.35 | rhcp[linux] | when i did the remove |
| 05:05.38 | rhcp[linux] | "removed from root" |
| 05:06.40 | rhcp[linux] | time to learn command line stuff. if i want to use it :) |
| 05:07.36 | dwc- | there's a variable that is set if you wnat to install in /media/cryptofs like all the other apps |
| 05:08.39 | Abyssul_ | dwc-, where is the dependency skypem |
| 05:08.49 | rhcp[linux] | thanks for the help dwc- |
| 05:08.52 | dwc- | I tar'd it up out of the unpacked filesystem |
| 05:08.52 | rhcp[linux] | seems like it has worked |
| 05:08.57 | rhcp[linux] | no need to dr :) |
| 05:09.18 | dwc- | rhcp[linux]: cool |
| 05:09.38 | Abyssul_ | where though o.O |
| 05:09.40 | dwc- | Abyssul_: I pulled all the skype-named ones save the gstreamer one, which didn't seem important yet |
| 05:09.55 | Abyssul_ | I only see one skype .ipk |
| 05:09.57 | dwc- | I used the list in the ipkg lib dir |
| 05:10.02 | dwc- | it's not an ipk |
| 05:10.03 | Abyssul_ | hmm |
| 05:10.10 | ka6sox | what are we doing here? |
| 05:10.14 | Abyssul_ | Magic |
| 05:10.23 | ka6sox | define "Magic" |
| 05:10.26 | dwc- | uh, stuff that's probably off-topic, sorry |
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| 05:10.34 | Abyssul_ | Not off-topic in my eyes |
| 05:10.55 | dwc- | rhcp[linux]: try IPKG_OFFLINE_ROOT=/media/cryptofs/apps when you ipkg |
| 05:11.03 | ka6sox | okay, so again, what are you doing? |
| 05:11.15 | rhcp[linux] | dwc-, set that in ENV? |
| 05:11.17 | dwc- | I was trying to get the skype stuff from 2.2 running on my pre2 |
| 05:11.24 | rhcp[linux] | i see their are variable to install as well |
| 05:11.53 | rhcp[linux] | but ill take note |
| 05:12.03 | rhcp[linux] | ill prob just use the preware installer if i want to do it by hand. |
| 05:12.12 | jonpry | rhcp[linux], what did i tell you about quitting the internet |
| 05:12.16 | dwc- | that's probably easier |
| 05:12.17 | rhcp[linux] | its easier for me to download stuff from computer but harder |
| 05:12.28 | rhcp[linux] | jonpry, this is not the room to talk about things |
| 05:12.45 | dwc- | palm-install is scriptable on your computer, if you have the SDK |
| 05:12.54 | Abyssul_ | bows |
| 05:12.56 | rhcp[linux] | dwc-, ah nice |
| 05:13.00 | rhcp[linux] | ill check it out |
| 05:13.03 | rhcp[linux] | im new to all this |
| 05:13.36 | dwc- | uh, wow. the icons in the 320x480 2.2 emu image are large and scrunched together |
| 05:14.04 | dwc- | launcher icons are 2x2 |
| 05:15.04 | Hobbz` | may I ask a question regarding Doctor not recognizing the Pre for a frankenpre conversion? |
| 05:15.05 | Abyssul_ | So many skypem files |
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| 05:16.09 | Abyssul_ | Ill leave it to you dwc-. Thats too much work |
| 05:18.29 | jonpry | rhcp[linux], you think its not the room because you can't ban me from it and you don't want everyone to know what a douche bag you are |
| 05:18.41 | rhcp[linux] | rwhitby, will ban you. |
| 05:18.42 | rhcp[linux] | not me |
| 05:18.59 | rhcp[linux] | because you can say w/e you want. i wont say a word :) |
| 05:19.03 | rhcp[linux] | i dont care anymore |
| 05:19.09 | rhcp[linux] | </end> |
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| 05:20.33 | jonpry | yeah thats it. bring your posse. its so surprising that the thief is unrepentant. |
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| 05:22.01 | Framework | ? |
| 05:22.23 | Hobbz` | hello - is anybody available for a Doctor question? |
| 05:22.57 | scoutcamper | yep |
| 05:23.01 | scoutcamper | ~asktoask |
| 05:23.01 | infobot | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
| 05:24.05 | Hobbz` | I'm at the point of a sprint frankenpre conversion with webOS Doctor asks for the Pre to be connected. It's not recognizing the Pre and I'm not sure why |
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| 05:30.00 | Hobbz` | any tips on what could be wrong? |
| 05:30.10 | Hobbz` | I installed the sdk and drivers |
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| 05:32.26 | ka6sox | Hobbz`, sorry, bad night for me...need sleep. |
| 05:33.14 | ka6sox | but wait around and someone will help. |
| 05:33.30 | Hobbz` | yeah, I've been working on this for about 5-6 hours now... know how you feel =) |
| 05:34.30 | Hobbz` | can't wait too long, need to be up for work in 6 hours |
| 05:35.32 | rwhitby | jonpry, rhcp[linux]: please take android on touchpad discussions elsewhere, thanks. |
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| 05:35.57 | rhcp[linux] | rwhitby, I wasnt talking about android. but thanks |
| 05:36.10 | rhcp[linux] | actually playing with my real webos touchpad :) |
| 05:36.12 | rhcp[linux] | for a change |
| 05:36.28 | rhcp[linux] | i did a stupid thing. I ipkg installed as root |
| 05:36.28 | rhcp[linux] | :P |
| 05:36.37 | rhcp[linux] | thanks to dwc- fixed it up |
| 05:37.33 | rwhitby | rhcp[linux]: don't get cute with me. the discussion between yourself and jonpry is about issues unrelated to this channel. please take it elsewhere. webos-internals is *NOT* involved in any touchpad on android teams, efforts, or discussions in any way. |
| 05:38.41 | rhcp[linux] | Im not being cute with you man |
| 05:38.43 | rhcp[linux] | seriously |
| 05:38.53 | rhcp[linux] | i was asking questions RE my webos install i messed |
| 05:38.56 | rwhitby | and webos-internals is definitely not involved in any disputes between two individuals who are not webos-internals developers. |
| 05:39.04 | rhcp[linux] | i agree rwhitby |
| 05:39.13 | rhcp[linux] | thats why my first words were. this is not the chan to talk. |
| 05:39.16 | rhcp[linux] | if you look up |
| 05:39.32 | rhcp[linux] | anyways its over :) |
| 05:39.46 | roadkill | rhcp: he's trying to tell you to STFU in a polite, professional and firm way. This means not respondig to what people say to you about those issues. At all. |
| 05:41.01 | rhcp[linux] | i know |
| 05:41.02 | rhcp[linux] | :) |
| 05:41.09 | rhcp[linux] | thanks for being polite |
| 05:41.17 | rhcp[linux] | im here for webos only |
| 05:41.33 | izza | So much Touchpad drama. |
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| 05:42.02 | rwhitby | izza: yep, and it must remain out of this channel. period. |
| 05:42.38 | rwhitby | if necessary, anyone involved in the drama will be excluded if that is the only way to keep the drama out. |
| 05:42.38 | izza | Heh, no problem here. I wish the people perpetuating the drama would put that energy into making something productive happen. |
| 05:43.59 | Hobbz_ | any tips figuring out how to get Doctor to recognize the Pre would be very much appreciated =) |
| 05:47.24 | rwhitby | rhcp[linux]: note that I have seen things said by touchpad on android teams intimating that webos-internals is involved. that has to stop. webos-internals is not involved in touchpad on android teams, period. |
| 05:48.03 | rhcp[linux] | rwhitby, ok |
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| 05:56.01 | Xuzz | ugh |
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| 06:02.59 | timmy321 | Hobbz_: dont know if i can help but are you making a sprint pre 2? |
| 06:05.20 | Hobbz_ | yes, I am |
| 06:05.46 | timmy321 | is the pre 2 in developer mode? |
| 06:06.19 | Hobbz_ | not sure... followed directions to plug in usb power while holding down up-volume button |
| 06:06.26 | Hobbz_ | has usb symbol on screen |
| 06:06.43 | timmy321 | well, did you try the up up down down thing? |
| 06:07.37 | Hobbz_ | nope, it's a new phone - didn't see that in any of the information and figured it didn't apply |
| 06:08.54 | timmy321 | i was thinking maybe you need to enable developer mode, but im not sure |
| 06:09.50 | Hobbz_ | yeah... I followed the instructions and I believe it's in recovery mode. I assumed it was similar to being in developer mode |
| 06:10.11 | Hobbz_ | been at it for 6 hours... gotta wake up for work in 5 lol |
| 06:10.43 | timmy321 | hmm dont think so but im not sure |
| 06:11.18 | Hobbz_ | I'm methodically making sure all the drivers are reinstalled and such |
| 06:11.21 | Hobbz_ | it's a royal pain lol |
| 06:11.24 | timmy321 | so you made a meta doctor build? |
| 06:11.45 | Hobbz_ | yes, ran the script through the terminal window |
| 06:12.15 | timmy321 | then you plug in the usb and it just wont recognize it? |
| 06:12.33 | Hobbz_ | I get the webOS Doctor to appear.... correct, when asked to plug in the USB it never recognizes it |
| 06:12.59 | timmy321 | only thing i can think of is enable developer mode but i dont know... |
| 06:13.06 | ka6sox | Hobbz_, pastebin the log from the doctor. |
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| 06:13.30 | Hobbz_ | how would I do that? |
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| 06:14.08 | ka6sox | what kind of a machine are you on? |
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| 06:14.46 | Hobbz_ | windows with virtualbox running ubuntu |
| 06:15.12 | ka6sox | are you trying to connect to the pre from the virtualbox? |
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| 06:15.59 | ka6sox | if you are move it into windows and run it from there. |
| 06:16.30 | Hobbz_ | It shows connected to the USB port on my windows side |
| 06:16.42 | Hobbz_ | not sure how to connect via virtualbox |
| 06:16.52 | timmy321 | you have to set up usb in vb |
| 06:17.05 | timmy321 | for the virtual machine |
| 06:17.26 | Hobbz_ | bingo... how would that be accomplished? |
| 06:17.46 | timmy321 | you have to do it in the virtual machine settings |
| 06:18.42 | Hobbz_ | I'm there but not sure how to open connection |
| 06:19.24 | timmy321 | hmm havent done that in a while...lemme see |
| 06:22.24 | Hobbz_ | looks like I was able to add a usb filter and it had the pre listed, but no connection that I can tell |
| 06:22.44 | ka6sox | just run the doctor from the windows side if you have followed the directions (as in for making a backup) |
| 06:22.52 | timmy321 | i think thats what you have to do |
| 06:23.03 | ka6sox | I assume thats what you used vbox to create right? |
| 06:23.19 | Hobbz_ | will it be the correct version of doctor though? it autoran after the script command was entered |
| 06:23.23 | timmy321 | you can run novaterm from the terminal to see if youre connected if you want |
| 06:25.21 | Hobbz_ | I can download the pre 2 v2.1.0 from the website instead of having to run through ubuntu? |
| 06:25.49 | timmy321 | you should use the doctor you made i think |
| 06:26.02 | ka6sox | Hobbz_, what are you following for directions? url please? |
| 06:26.22 | Hobbz_ | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/WebOS_2_Upgrade |
| 06:27.00 | Hobbz_ | I'm on Step 3, running the meta doctor script |
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| 06:27.10 | Hobbz_ | unfortunately, that's the hang-up |
| 06:27.49 | Vic_Sage-TheQues | man I am soo pissed off trying to get the goddamn HP touchpad the bastards fracking owe me after what they did to the Palm Pixi |
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| 06:28.03 | Vic_Sage-TheQues | lol |
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| 06:28.09 | Hobbz- | huh.... lol |
| 06:28.22 | timmy321 | i would say enable usb in virtualbox and you should be ok.. |
| 06:28.26 | Hobbz- | I'm on Step 3 of those directions |
| 06:28.28 | ka6sox | this is not frankenpre directions. |
| 06:28.29 | ka6sox | wait |
| 06:28.37 | Hobbz- | yes, it is |
| 06:28.52 | Vic_Sage-TheQues | is webos 2 working on the pixi now? |
| 06:28.54 | Hobbz- | Timmy - I added the usb device filter but doesn't seem to helping |
| 06:28.57 | ka6sox | wait |
| 06:29.37 | timmy321 | hmm did you do that while the machine was off? |
| 06:30.16 | Vic_Sage-TheQues | I am trying to get the HP touchpad (which I would have gotten at full price if I could have gotten the webos 2.0 update for the pixi) |
| 06:30.18 | Hobbz- | holy cow.... it finally conected |
| 06:30.51 | timmy321 | so its working now? |
| 06:30.54 | Hobbz- | I disconnected pre from usb, killed windows novacom process and ejected... virtualbox picked it up |
| 06:31.06 | Vic_Sage-TheQues | anybody have any tips on getting one for retail? |
| 06:31.09 | Hobbz- | it seems so |
| 06:31.22 | timmy321 | hmm interesting, sounds good... |
| 06:31.28 | Hobbz- | thanks for your patience and tips |
| 06:31.35 | timmy321 | no problem |
| 06:31.59 | Vic_Sage-TheQues | anybody have any experience with display models on the hp touchpad? |
| 06:32.00 | Hobbz- | Vic - you can probably find some on ebay, somebody told me some were on Amazon.com yesterday |
| 06:32.08 | timmy321 | if you ever use ubuntu in the future i would recommend using wubi, it makes that kinda stuff easier |
| 06:32.36 | Hobbz- | heh... it took me 4 hours to finally get a working access point to ubuntu |
| 06:32.51 | Vic_Sage-TheQues | yeah their on amazon for 2.4x what they are worth |
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| 06:33.17 | destinal | Vic_Sage-TheQues: they're worth what people will pay for them :) |
| 06:33.20 | timmy321 | well, wubi (windows installer for ubuntu) is way easier to use that vb with ubuntu imo |
| 06:34.09 | Vic_Sage-TheQues | I really don't get it they were on sale at staples with coupon for $300 and never sold |
| 06:34.32 | Vic_Sage-TheQues | now they are selling like crazy at $300 |
| 06:36.00 | Hobbz- | dang... lost connection |
| 06:36.22 | Hobbz- | yeah, I tried wubi and got it to finally install, but wouldn't let me run ubuntu for some reason |
| 06:36.40 | destinal | Vic_Sage-TheQues: as people are exposed to them, people realize that they have some real value |
| 06:37.06 | timmy321 | are you on a 64bit system? |
| 06:37.08 | destinal | people might have started buying them for $100 because wow how can you go wrong at $100, but they're worth more than that |
| 06:37.17 | Hobbz- | yeah, 64 bit system |
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| 06:37.32 | timmy321 | i had that problem on a 64bit system too... |
| 06:37.46 | Hobbz- | ohhhhh |
| 06:38.00 | destinal | Hobbz-: wait which distro? |
| 06:38.02 | Hobbz- | drat... can't reconnect |
| 06:38.10 | Vic_Sage-TheQues | whats the difference between the display models and the regular ones? |
| 06:38.14 | destinal | Hobbz-: or which OS? |
| 06:38.31 | Vic_Sage-TheQues | anybody have any experience in that regard |
| 06:38.50 | Vic_Sage-TheQues | I might try to get a display model from the local wal-mart |
| 06:38.51 | Hobbz- | windows 7 |
| 06:38.52 | destinal | Vic_Sage-TheQues: they have a different SKU token written to them that means you need to bypass first use |
| 06:39.03 | destinal | or change the token |
| 06:39.15 | timmy321 | i heard display models have like 8gb of hard disk or something but not sure |
| 06:39.25 | Vic_Sage-TheQues | I was told they won't register |
| 06:39.37 | destinal | Vic_Sage-TheQues: that's what I mean, there's a trick to get them to |
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| 06:40.04 | Vic_Sage-TheQues | but I figure once you hack them it could actually be pretty useful |
| 06:40.06 | destinal | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Tutorials_webOS_Activating_Touchpad_Demo_Unit |
| 06:41.27 | destinal | once you do that, they work basically like any touchpad |
| 06:41.32 | Vic_Sage-TheQues | ok cool it looks like the demo units are usable |
| 06:42.00 | Hobbz- | Walmart probably doesn't have any display units |
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| 06:42.05 | Hobbz- | for sale that is |
| 06:42.21 | Vic_Sage-TheQues | I am just going to try and ask the manager |
| 06:42.25 | Hobbz- | I believe the stores were to send them back |
| 06:42.34 | Vic_Sage-TheQues | aww that sucks |
| 06:43.09 | roadkill | What was funny was that when the firesale was first announced, I found a display unit at Staples. They wouldn't sell it to me. It was the only unit the store had. |
| 06:43.29 | roadkill | I did touch it a lot. Inappropriately. In front of other upset geeks. |
| 06:43.43 | timmy321 | they're making 100-200K more for release in october, but you may need a pre-order |
| 06:43.44 | Vic_Sage-TheQues | everywheres but my area seems to be getting these that is why this is pissing me off |
| 06:44.11 | roadkill | I really would sign up on the HP site for notification of availability. It's essentially a waiting list. |
| 06:44.20 | Vic_Sage-TheQues | I have done so |
| 06:44.29 | roadkill | Then I wish you good luck. |
| 06:45.06 | Vic_Sage-TheQues | yeah the sucky thing is that it looks like most of them are going to people who ordered already |
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| 06:45.25 | Hobbz- | drat - the phone connection keeps getting dropped |
| 06:45.26 | roadkill | About all you can do at the moment, I'm afraid. Unless you don't mind spending a bit extra for one on eBay |
| 06:46.19 | timmy321 | the usb connection? |
| 06:47.01 | Vic_Sage-TheQues | I am interested in them at $99 but for $240 it just runs the risk that HP will stop development on web os or make webos 5.0 with the HP touchpad 2 and not make it compatible with the original |
| 06:47.04 | Hobbz- | yeah |
| 06:47.12 | Hobbz- | says Loading Ramdisk:booting |
| 06:47.32 | Vic_Sage-TheQues | then essentially the HP touchpad winds up about as screwed over as my pixi |
| 06:47.39 | timmy321 | are you booting the virtual machine? |
| 06:47.40 | Hobbz- | then a couple lines later says it's waiting for device to come back |
| 06:47.47 | Hobbz- | nope |
| 06:47.54 | Hobbz- | that's the text on the terminal window |
| 06:48.04 | Hobbz- | hp logo on Pre screen |
| 06:48.22 | timmy321 | the pre is booting then... |
| 06:48.58 | Vic_Sage-TheQues | web os is great but it is more closed source than Android |
| 06:49.50 | Vic_Sage-TheQues | hence devices go obsolete |
| 06:49.52 | Hobbz- | I'll give it a few minutes to finish rebooting... doctor dropped the connection, hopefully it doesn't try to restart from scratch |
| 06:51.43 | Vic_Sage-TheQues | I could get behind web os again if HP would release the source code |
| 06:54.18 | Hobbz- | drat - it keeps getting hung up on the same spot and restarts |
| 06:54.23 | destinal | Hobbz-: actually if the hp logo is up that could just mean it's booted into the installer image |
| 06:54.43 | destinal | the doctor actually has to drive the installer image sending commands throughout the process like an expect script |
| 06:55.37 | timmy321 | isnt it supposed to show the usb image? |
| 06:55.55 | destinal | no, that's an earlier step |
| 06:56.01 | Hobbz- | here's what I see happening... doctor uploads a rather large file and sends a boot command... after a couple minutes, it seems doctor times out and stops waiting |
| 06:56.14 | Hobbz- | it's only at 4% on the progress bar |
| 06:56.55 | timmy321 | unplug and start again? |
| 06:57.00 | destinal | Hobbz-: ok so what it's doing is using novacom to send bootie a boot image (kernel) over USB, it sends it, it boots (thus the HP logo) but this kernel doesn't do anything else with video |
| 06:57.09 | Hobbz- | yep - after 3 minutes, it's timing out |
| 06:57.32 | destinal | what device is this? |
| 06:57.45 | Hobbz- | Pre 2, trying to do a sprint frankenpre conversion |
| 06:58.02 | destinal | Hobbz-: any chance you have an old version of the novacom drivers? |
| 06:58.49 | Hobbz- | it's possible but I checked to make sure the links seemed current |
| 06:59.12 | Hobbz- | I finally got virtualbox to run ubuntu, so installed everything fresh |
| 06:59.28 | destinal | how are you connecting usb to the VM |
| 06:59.51 | Hobbz- | set up a usb device filter |
| 06:59.55 | Hobbz- | on the settings menu |
| 07:00.03 | destinal | because when it reboots it's very much like unplugging and plugging it back in, if you are doing anything manually you need to do it again when it reboots |
| 07:00.12 | destinal | oh AND |
| 07:00.21 | destinal | there are different USB device id's |
| 07:00.26 | Hobbz- | not doing anything manually but watching |
| 07:00.27 | Hobbz- | oh? |
| 07:01.12 | destinal | make sure that the device is getting connected once it reboots after upload |
| 07:01.21 | destinal | can you see it in list |
| 07:01.43 | Hobbz- | hrmmm.... |
| 07:01.57 | rwhitby | folks, the first rule of running the doctor is do run it on the command line to see the full log. |
| 07:02.06 | rwhitby | we don't answer anything until we see a full log in a pastebin, period. |
| 07:02.11 | Hobbz- | I saw some additional usb unknown devices so I added them all |
| 07:02.58 | Hobbz- | ha - that was it |
| 07:03.03 | Hobbz- | had to add 5 more usb devices to the filter |
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| 07:03.41 | Hobbz- | cotton-pickin gizmo lol |
| 07:03.49 | rhcp[linux] | rwhitby, Can the dr be used to change things on the current system? without destroying what is on it currently? like if you wanted to add a part? |
| 07:03.57 | rhcp[linux] | or is it best to wait for your gui app? |
| 07:04.03 | destinal | Hobbz-: nice, glad it's sorted |
| 07:04.22 | Vic_Sage-TheQues | if I get an HP Touchpad I am going to dualboot android and webos only because android has Comixology and netflix |
| 07:04.38 | Hobbz- | thanks destinal |
| 07:04.53 | rhcp[linux] | im hoping for netflix on webos |
| 07:04.59 | destinal | rhcp[linux]: well there's the doctor and then there's the installer image . the installer image is the kernel that is loaded into memory over USB and booted and then the doctor novaterms in essentially and performs the installation |
| 07:05.00 | Vic_Sage-TheQues | me as well |
| 07:05.02 | Hobbz- | you and timmy gave the tips needed for this newbie to get some progress made =) |
| 07:05.02 | rhcp[linux] | I have a strong feeling with all these webos devices out |
| 07:05.07 | rhcp[linux] | people will dev more for webos |
| 07:05.37 | rhcp[linux] | destinal, ah. so you dont need to destroy * |
| 07:05.38 | rhcp[linux] | neat |
| 07:05.41 | rhcp[linux] | ill have to read |
| 07:05.54 | Vic_Sage-TheQues | I am hoping to get lucky on this |
| 07:06.05 | timmy321 | hope it works out...i was thinking about doing that but havent totally decided... |
| 07:06.35 | destinal | rhcp[linux]: so doctor puts the device in bootie recover mode (which shows the usb logo) and uploads it a kernel (ie novacom boot mem://) and then waits for it to come back, novacom open tty:// (like novaterm) and starts sending it commands and looking at the responses |
| 07:06.46 | Vic_Sage-TheQues | 240 is too much for a device that might never be updated again |
| 07:06.50 | rhcp[linux] | gotcha |
| 07:06.51 | destinal | and yeah the installer image is basically like a linux rescue cd or floppy that way |
| 07:07.06 | rhcp[linux] | so in theory you can make that image do w/e |
| 07:07.11 | Hobbz- | destinal - yeah, I suppose I needed to have all the "unknown" devices on the usb filter so it was receiving the signal |
| 07:07.20 | rhcp[linux] | neat |
| 07:07.41 | Hobbz- | Timmy - you haven't tried the frankenpre yet? |
| 07:07.58 | timmy321 | nah...just upgrade to 2.1.0 |
| 07:08.08 | Vic_Sage-TheQues | is WebOS 2.0 working on the pixi? |
| 07:08.15 | destinal | Hobbz-: yeah IIRC the different usb ID's are like bootie has one for each device, standard linux has one for each device, and maybe the installer has one for each device |
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| 07:08.22 | destinal | I forget whether it's really two or three |
| 07:08.57 | destinal | and then of course the OMAP has its own but you don't need that unless you want to boot without having bootie on flash |
| 07:09.10 | Hobbz- | 65% complete now... down to 4 hours of sleep before work, may as well see it to the end lol |
| 07:09.22 | timmy321 | ha |
| 07:09.41 | destinal | destinal: and there's one for qualcomm too which would let us boot without bootie on flash but we don't know how to use it yet |
| 07:09.48 | destinal | err Hobbz- ^ |
| 07:09.53 | destinal | stupid autocomplete :) |
| 07:10.11 | dwc- | how do you auto-complete yourself? :) |
| 07:10.34 | destinal | apparently just hitting tab by itself did it, weird |
| 07:10.49 | FatTire | FatTire: I do it all the time. |
| 07:11.00 | destinal | |:P |
| 07:12.20 | Hobbz- | well Timmy - the hardware part of the conversion was a piece of cake compared to this aspect =) |
| 07:12.48 | timmy321 | hmm..that's good to know |
| 07:13.13 | Hobbz- | carefully follow the dis-assembly process in the pictures and it works fine |
| 07:13.28 | timmy321 | yeah |
| 07:14.00 | Hobbz- | doctor is done and there's a nice, big penguin on the Pre2 screen |
| 07:18.07 | destinal | :) |
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| 07:27.44 | Hobbz- | strange, I placed a phone call to my home phone and hte screen went black |
| 07:27.58 | Hobbz- | call went through, just nothing on screen lol |
| 07:28.59 | destinal | odd |
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| 07:32.17 | Hobbz- | yep - every time I place a phone call, the screen goes black and is non-responsive |
| 07:32.53 | timmy321 | ouch |
| 07:33.22 | destinal | Hobbz-: what version of webos were you running prior? |
| 07:33.33 | destinal | on the pre |
| 07:33.43 | Hobbz- | it's a new Pre2 out of the box... I was using a Pre v1.4.5 |
| 07:34.32 | oil | dirty proximity sensor? |
| 07:34.36 | destinal | yeah think so |
| 07:34.36 | RichT23 | Vic_Sage-TheQues: the official word is no webOs 2 for pixi... i dout the hard ware could keep up with it |
| 07:34.55 | destinal | oil: It just occurred to me the proximity sensor isn't polled until you make a call |
| 07:34.57 | oil | my friends pre started doing that when he dropped it and the front cracked |
| 07:35.08 | oil | Hobbz-: try it with a headset in |
| 07:35.19 | Vic_Sage-TheQues | the processor on the veer is only 800mhz |
| 07:35.22 | Hobbz- | huh... ok |
| 07:35.22 | Vic_Sage-TheQues | the pixi is 550mhz |
| 07:35.27 | oil | it wont do the proximity sensor screen black thing when using a headset |
| 07:35.44 | Vic_Sage-TheQues | not much difference there once you overclock |
| 07:35.50 | Hobbz- | which is the proximity sensor? |
| 07:35.53 | RichT23 | Vic_Sage-TheQues: i thorght it was also a diffrent gen proceser in the veer |
| 07:36.01 | oil | idk, its inside the screen facing out? |
| 07:36.10 | oil | in the black part around the ear piece i think |
| 07:36.42 | Hobbz- | great catch - headset jack in and the screen is fine |
| 07:36.49 | Hobbz- | now to clean the sensor... if I can |
| 07:36.54 | destinal | Hobbz-: "You can find the sensor if you hold the phone horizontally at eye level and look near a glare. To the right (when it's held upright) of the ear piece are two small sensors. They look like small metal squares with a black circle in the middle" |
| 07:36.54 | Vic_Sage-TheQues | whoops the pixi is 600mhz |
| 07:36.59 | oil | try just cleaning hte screen first |
| 07:37.47 | oil | but i've never heard of one not working |
| 07:37.54 | Vic_Sage-TheQues | the veer is 800mhz |
| 07:37.54 | Hobbz- | I just removed the protective film before using lol |
| 07:37.58 | oil | (unless its been dropped a bunch or something) |
| 07:38.11 | destinal | Hobbz-: http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre-pre-plus/213914-proximity-sensor-location-issue-fix.html |
| 07:38.23 | destinal | they say cut a hole in the screen protector if using one |
| 07:38.28 | destinal | over the prox sensor |
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| 07:38.53 | Vic_Sage-TheQues | I don't know if this is rlelvant but I have a Optimus S that is 600mhz that has no problem running at 768mhz |
| 07:39.06 | oil | destinal: idk if thats where it is on the pre2 |
| 07:39.23 | oil | top right that is |
| 07:39.33 | oil | i dont have a bright light handy, but i seem to remember seeing it on the left |
| 07:39.42 | destinal | ah yeah might have moved |
| 07:40.28 | Hobbz- | I'll have to monkey with that later I suppose... I was just googling that myself, thanks for the info |
| 07:40.45 | oil | but at least you can still use it with a headset or bluetooth |
| 07:41.51 | RichT23 | Vic_Sage-TheQues: the pixi is a 600 MHz ARM 11 processor, and veer is 800 MHz Scorpion processor, |
| 07:42.40 | Vic_Sage-TheQues | yeah so it looks to me like the pixi could keep up with web os 2.0 |
| 07:42.56 | Hobbz- | true, oil |
| 07:43.08 | RichT23 | the Scorpion are newer procesers so maybe only 200MHz in bus speed but they are diffrent architectures |
| 07:43.44 | oil | Vic_Sage-TheQues: talk to NuttyBunny about that |
| 07:43.51 | oil | (not here atm) |
| 07:44.00 | oil | but im pretty sure he was working on 2.x on pixi stuff |
| 07:44.22 | RichT23 | the Veer also has a newer GPU |
| 07:45.19 | RichT23 | I have no idea what changes were made between 1. and 2. webOS though |
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| 07:47.18 | destinal | Hobbz-: so was it a screen protector causing your issue? |
| 07:47.46 | timmy321 | good luck Hobbz- |
| 07:47.51 | Hobbz- | no, I'm not sure what it was. there was nothing on the screen |
| 07:51.59 | Hobbz- | thanks again for your help... gonna get 3 hours of sleep before starting a long day heh |
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| 09:19.23 | jojox | bonjour a tous |
| 09:19.54 | jojox | je cherche des infos sur le preware a installer |
| 09:20.50 | jojox | si une personne pouvait me uider et me renseigner ce serait gentil ^^ |
| 09:28.03 | jojox | personne ? |
| 09:31.35 | cryptk | jojox, tu parle en anglais? |
| 09:31.47 | jojox | a little |
| 09:32.18 | cryptk | ok, have you seen the instructions at http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Preware ? |
| 09:32.25 | jojox | i search a aplcation working for messenger live |
| 09:32.33 | cryptk | ahh, windows messenger |
| 09:33.06 | cryptk | WOSI hasn't made anything for windows messenger, but there are some homebrew things for it, what device do you have? |
| 09:33.07 | jojox | yes |
| 09:33.51 | jojox | have you a name homebrew workin,g ? |
| 09:34.02 | jojox | im+ is working ? |
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| 09:36.12 | pierreee | there is no messenger thingie for touchpad, amirite? just for the small screens? |
| 09:36.18 | jojox | preware doesnt exist web site for see applications ? |
| 09:46.33 | cryptk | I think there is an app in the app cat for the TP |
| 09:47.03 | cryptk | as far as the small screen, if you search on preCentral for Messaging Plugins you should find them |
| 09:47.49 | jojox | i see nothing on the site precentral |
| 09:48.06 | cryptk | what device do you have? |
| 09:48.11 | cryptk | Pre? Pre2? Touchpad? |
| 09:48.35 | jojox | touchpad ^^ |
| 09:49.05 | jojox | idesire see my email & chat via messenger ^^ |
| 09:49.27 | jojox | via webos email impossible configure for hotmail ^^ |
| 09:49.48 | cryptk | ahh, you don't want the messaging plugins then... those are for the phones I think |
| 09:50.26 | cryptk | As far as getting it built into the regular messenger, I don't think there is a way yet, but I think there is an app in the app catalog for using Windows Messenger... I don't know the name of it though |
| 09:50.26 | jojox | only plugging for tp |
| 09:52.07 | jojox | i hope android coming soon fot tp |
| 09:52.35 | jojox | on android messenger & reading email directly is working i hope ^^ |
| 09:52.51 | cryptk | I have never heard of any issues with Hotmail on the Touchpad |
| 09:53.25 | jojox | ??? |
| 09:53.37 | jojox | you reading now your email hotmail on the tp ? |
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| 09:53.55 | cryptk | I don't have a hotmail account, but I have never heard of anyone having issues with it |
| 09:54.07 | jojox | no is no working |
| 09:54.17 | jojox | only gmail & more working |
| 09:54.23 | jojox | no hotmail |
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| 09:54.36 | cryptk | unfortunately I can't help you with that :( |
| 09:55.03 | jojox | no soucy thx for your help & chat ^^ |
| 09:55.57 | jojox | & one question |
| 09:56.01 | pierreee | so no synergy messaging plugins on the tp :/ |
| 09:57.30 | jojox | ok pierre |
| 09:57.51 | jojox | is necessary to install preware for working this application ? |
| 09:59.07 | jojox | apparently is working only pre3 |
| 10:03.53 | pierreee | totally. |
| 10:04.01 | pierreee | its homebrew-stuff |
| 10:04.39 | jojox | ok & you are solution for divx movies |
| 10:04.55 | jojox | kalemplayer is good ? |
| 10:06.42 | cryptk | I personally use ffmpeg on my desktop and re-encode them ;) |
| 10:06.51 | cryptk | they just need to be in an AVI container |
| 10:07.25 | jojox | yes i have more logiciels encoding i desire just copy directly my divx on the hp |
| 10:09.14 | jojox | http://www.kalemsoft.com/site/downloads2.html |
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| 11:57.00 | evtl | i want to install preware on my hp tocuhpad but i get an error everytime :/ |
| 11:57.12 | evtl | i download preware with quickinstall and want to install it |
| 11:57.20 | evtl | then just "error (0)" appears |
| 11:58.30 | evtl | no one hat this problem? |
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| 11:59.17 | evtl | had* :_< |
| 12:04.56 | evtl | ERROR1: Connection refused: connect -> ERROR: No device found. |
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| 12:09.49 | CynC | don't hit usb storage mode |
| 12:11.24 | cryptk | and make sure the device is in developer mode |
| 12:11.31 | cryptk | and follow the instructions |
| 12:11.36 | cryptk | http://install.preware.org |
| 12:12.33 | evtl | i did |
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| 12:14.45 | rwhitby | evtl: are you following http://bit.ly/phd-ac, including the links to troubleshooting threads? |
| 12:15.41 | evtl | thanks for the site :) |
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| 12:44.13 | haydn | Hi All |
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| 12:53.35 | zomg | Is there an existing meta-doctor distribution for installing ubuntu on the touchpad? |
| 12:54.19 | hucksy | i dont think so, its not legal |
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| 12:54.28 | zomg | I see |
| 12:54.40 | zomg | Guess I'll just have to go get my Macbook from the office then |
| 12:54.41 | zomg | =) |
| 12:54.49 | hucksy | :) |
| 12:56.21 | haydn | Just got a mail from the BHome devs saying they're going to add DLNA controller support, which is good, means I don't have to bother coding it. :) |
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| 14:18.51 | YeahRight | does there exist a DNLA client for touchpad? |
| 14:19.14 | Abyssul | Yea |
| 14:19.21 | Abyssul | BHome |
| 14:19.30 | Abyssul | I think |
| 14:19.43 | YeahRight | cool..commercial or community? |
| 14:19.54 | Abyssul | what? |
| 14:19.58 | hape | and UPnP AV Player, both have free trail versions |
| 14:20.12 | YeahRight | nice |
| 14:20.19 | Abyssul | Mmhmm. Idk if UPnP is DNLA, but its very similar |
| 14:20.32 | Abyssul | I prefer BHome, but I dont have AV Player |
| 14:20.42 | haydn | BHome is DLNA |
| 14:20.54 | hape | UPnP is DLAN. DLAN is the standardisiced verion of UPnP |
| 14:21.05 | YeahRight | i tried kalem with my nas mounted through cifs but it seems kalem needs a reformat of fat32 to ext3 first? |
| 14:21.14 | haydn | I got an e-mail from them this morning as I want a DLNA controller - apparently that will be added in a new version soon... which is great as it means I don't have to code 1 :) |
| 14:21.27 | Abyssul | Kalem requires a external hosting program |
| 14:22.05 | Abyssul | Bhome needs to work on how they distribute their trial app |
| 14:22.08 | YeahRight | is it possible to play 1080p mkv on TP? |
| 14:22.23 | Abyssul | YeahRight, it lags due to no hardware acceleration for MKV files |
| 14:22.24 | YeahRight | hardware can deal with that cant it? |
| 14:22.37 | Abyssul | Only supported file formats are GPU accelerated |
| 14:22.50 | YeahRight | Abyssul : can this be fixed with software? |
| 14:23.03 | Abyssul | By Palm, not app developers |
| 14:23.12 | haydn | Yeahright: Why not get a DMR and use the TP to browse the media, but stream it from your media server to your TV/Stereo? |
| 14:23.40 | Abyssul | I can change one value in the BHome app to make it a full version... |
| 14:23.50 | Abyssul | think I should send them a email? lol |
| 14:23.56 | haydn | rofl |
| 14:24.25 | haydn | Please say it's not as simple as a config file: "TrialVersion=1" |
| 14:24.27 | YeahRight | DMR = media player i guess? yeah that'll do too but i like it as flexible as possible..for ex watching the TP in bed ;-) |
| 14:24.31 | Abyssul | Yea it is |
| 14:24.39 | Abyssul | EnableDemoMode = true; |
| 14:24.56 | Abyssul | ex? |
| 14:24.57 | YeahRight | lol..thats in a config file? |
| 14:25.05 | YeahRight | example |
| 14:25.12 | haydn | DMR = Digital media renderer, bit more advanced than a media player (which is also in the DLNA spec) - supports things like "Play to" etc |
| 14:25.14 | cryptk | Abyssul, please don't tell people how to avoid copy protection in this channel |
| 14:25.18 | cryptk | that is your one and only warning |
| 14:25.21 | Abyssul | Im not talking anymore about hwo to do it. Thats flowned on |
| 14:25.27 | Abyssul | I knwo cryptk |
| 14:25.28 | haydn | Abyssul: OM that's poor! |
| 14:25.37 | haydn | s/OM/OMG/ |
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| 14:25.54 | YeahRight | ah..i wasnt familiar yet with that definition haydn..thanks for elaborating |
| 14:25.56 | haydn | oooh thanks infobot - nothing like stating the obvious! |
| 14:26.36 | haydn | e.g: a PS3 is a digital media player (can't use Play to)... which kinda sucks :( |
| 14:26.42 | cryptk | and yes Abyssul you should probably tell that to the dev if you feel like being a good samaritan |
| 14:27.00 | YeahRight | right |
| 14:27.08 | Abyssul | Trying to find their email... |
| 14:27.16 | haydn | just ordered a new DMR yesterday from Hong Kong, got an e-mail this morning saying "item dispacted, expected delivery 7-21 days"... ick! |
| 14:27.35 | YeahRight | i guess my new still sealed Dune (which i maybe sell again) would be a DMR |
| 14:27.45 | haydn | info(at)bluestarsoftware.de |
| 14:27.47 | Abyssul | Do I get my warning back if I report it? :p |
| 14:28.51 | haydn | YeahRight: Not sure, I did ask on AVForums and someone said they couldn't find any info re: Dune as to whether it supported play to or not. Anything with a Realtek 1185 chipset should be good though |
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| 14:29.38 | cryptk | Abyssul, nope... you don't get the warning back ;) |
| 14:29.43 | cryptk | only time takes those away |
| 14:29.51 | YeahRight | i'll check the chipset again..it's Dune DUO introduced this year..should be pretty high end |
| 14:29.51 | cryptk | dont do anything bad until I forget about this one ;) |
| 14:30.01 | haydn | Abyssul: that e-mail address above is for BHome, may want to specify BHome in your mail though as they do a number of products |
| 14:30.18 | Abyssul | Lol. I found their email via About in the app |
| 14:30.52 | Abyssul | Im not worryed about the warning.. o.O |
| 14:30.59 | haydn | Ask them about using BHome as a DLNA controller at the same time - it may speed up their dev time for it ;P |
| 14:31.21 | Abyssul | Alright |
| 14:31.36 | cryptk | Abyssul, you are now warned about warnings and how you should be cautious of warnings about warnings... failure to be warned by a warning will result in a warning |
| 14:31.37 | cryptk | ;) |
| 14:32.01 | cryptk | that was a joke btw... just in case you didn't catch it ;) |
| 14:33.28 | EdCates | taps microphone |
| 14:33.33 | EdCates | Is this thing on? |
| 14:33.37 | cryptk | hola EdCates !!! |
| 14:33.59 | Abyssul | I got the joke :p |
| 14:34.14 | EdCates | Howdy, cryptk! |
| 14:34.38 | cryptk | EdCates, sent ya a /msg |
| 14:36.15 | Abyssul | Email sent |
| 14:38.27 | EdCates | Man, I'm going to have to reacquaint myself with teh Relay Chatz. ;-) |
| 14:38.27 | haydn | thinks he should start coding a dlna controller anyway just in case BHome don't do it... |
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| 14:40.08 | Abyssul | Oh wow. BHome allows you to import files from your DNLA server |
| 14:40.22 | Abyssul | Too bad Win7 doesnt allow native transcoding |
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| 14:42.37 | YeahRight | if i use bluetooth the TP sees my laptop |
| 14:42.48 | YeahRight | but what can i do with it? ;-) |
| 14:42.57 | YeahRight | it just pairs |
| 14:43.13 | Abyssul | Create an app or software that takes advantage of that. |
| 14:43.21 | YeahRight | but how to actually get any functionality out of this? |
| 14:43.39 | YeahRight | should webos have that since it recognizes the laptop? |
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| 14:45.46 | YeahRight | about those 1080p mkv...if there will be an android port that port should be able to play them natively? just for my understanding |
| 14:46.15 | Abyssul | Depends how well they get it ported |
| 14:46.19 | YeahRight | ok |
| 14:46.20 | YeahRight | i dont really understand why HP didnt include support for more codecs/containers... |
| 14:46.23 | Abyssul | Its all ifs at this point |
| 14:46.32 | YeahRight | i understand |
| 14:46.45 | YeahRight | but its solely an OS/software thing then |
| 14:46.47 | Abyssul | Most OS dont have that much support for codecs, even windows and such |
| 14:47.00 | Abyssul | You would need 3rd party apps for it |
| 14:47.05 | Abyssul | (ex VLC) |
| 14:47.12 | YeahRight | yeah well that suits me too ;) |
| 14:47.13 | Abyssul | iOS is the same |
| 14:47.13 | izza | YeahRight: webOS just has the overall feel of something people worked very hard on, but hastily wrapped up once the writing was on the wall |
| 14:47.24 | YeahRight | but i guess that doesnt exist (yet) either on webos |
| 14:47.35 | YeahRight | izza : right |
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| 14:49.24 | mberg | Seems like most of the late development efforts have been focused on Enyo. |
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| 14:50.26 | mberg | And probably some other framework components (db8, node.js services, etc) and the Enyo app rewrites. |
| 14:50.50 | haydn | WTF is Palm Eurostore up to?!? Got an e-mail this morning saying they've cancelled my order for a Pre3 and will be providing a refund... I've already received the Pre3 and sold it on! errrr.... |
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| 14:52.01 | haydn | Hola Patrick |
| 14:52.46 | mberg | Would be interesting to see if additional codec support could be added by building the appropriate gstreamer pluins. |
| 14:52.53 | haydn | What would you do if you got a refund for something you actually received? |
| 14:53.30 | YeahRight | let the store figure it out.. |
| 14:53.35 | YeahRight | (they prob will anyway) |
| 14:54.00 | PatrickC | mberg: gstreamer? |
| 14:54.35 | mberg | The underlying multimedia framework. |
| 14:55.34 | haydn | Any idea how long do they have before they can't ask for the money back? (I'm in UK so I guess even if you guys did know it'd be US law) |
| 14:56.15 | mberg | Seems that palm/hp build the ffmpeg component with relatively limited codec support. Possibly they did that for licensing reasons or because they didn't have hardware acceleration in place for other formats. |
| 14:57.22 | mberg | Might not be easy or possible to get playback for other video codecs in easily, but additional container formats (e.g. matroska or ogg) should be doable. |
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| 15:01.59 | fenfir | Are the any terminal emulators for WebOS 3? |
| 15:02.29 | fenfir | SDLTerminal from preware wont' download |
| 15:02.34 | destinal | fenfir: there's the xterm stuff under Xecutah and SDLTerm and terminus |
| 15:02.56 | haydn | xecutah + xserver + xterm (SDLTerm and terminus don't work) |
| 15:02.58 | oclet | its pretty shitty |
| 15:03.03 | oclet | there needs to be a real terminal app |
| 15:03.33 | fenfir | I think thats going to be my project this evening then. |
| 15:04.33 | PatrickC | destinal: any progress with 2.2 on legacy (pre2)? |
| 15:04.35 | fenfir | Thanks for the tips, that's pretty much the conclusion I'd come to, but figured I would ask before spending a bunch of time reinventing the wheel |
| 15:04.52 | PatrickC | I checked the repo last night, didn't see any major things |
| 15:05.32 | destinal | fenfir: oh? which route were you planning on looking at? native binary and drawing graphics ie SDL? or hybrid javascript DOM based front end with native back end ie what was done with QuickOffice? |
| 15:06.30 | destinal | fenfir: I worked on an app just called "Terminal" that included an NPAPI plugin, back before SDL came out for palm pre, but the interface it used was unstable and kept getting broken by new webos releases |
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| 15:07.12 | fenfir | destinal: I don't know yet, going to be researching tonight. I'm going to take a look at SDLTerm and see if any of that is usable. |
| 15:07.45 | destinal | fenfir: terminal could potentially be fixed but I don't know that NPAPI is the best way to go overall |
| 15:07.49 | mberg | From what I saw on the forums, you can get SDLterminal to install if you grab the ipk and do it manually, but the app doesn't quite work ATM. From the log entries people posted, seems it's not properly built to run jailed. |
| 15:08.23 | izza | Do we have GTK ported yet? |
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| 15:09.23 | fenfir | mberg: I'd also found some similar sentiments earlier, thats why I was thinking of trying to tweak SDLTerm |
| 15:09.42 | dtzWill | oclet: hey now it is what it is--xterm running in a ported xserver. what's shitty, keyboard support? too much 'overhead'? |
| 15:09.58 | dtzWill | fenfir: yeah sdlterm sounds like a great starting point |
| 15:10.17 | dtzWill | can't imagine there's anything all that fundamnetally different that isn't a short fix/easy to hack around |
| 15:10.21 | mberg | I wish I had more time to mess around with it myself, but I have no experience with SDL and have a million other projects. |
| 15:10.43 | fenfir | mberg: same here, but now I'll have a million +1 |
| 15:10.47 | mberg | Heh. |
| 15:10.56 | destinal | mberg: it would be hard to imagine a terminal that worked great while jailed, I don't even think there are pty devices |
| 15:11.06 | destinal | dtzWill: how does xterm get around that btw? |
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| 15:11.24 | cryptk | destinal, xterm doesn't run in a jail |
| 15:11.30 | haydn | dtzWill: I find xterm fine on Pre3 - apparently it's awkward on TP though as the virtual keyboard covers the bottom of the terminal where you want to type |
| 15:11.33 | destinal | ah ok should have figured |
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| 15:11.59 | cryptk | haydn, set the keyboard to XS... if you want the keyboard larger than that then you can adjust it in tweaks |
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| 15:21.45 | dtzWill | err popular key, making it an issue |
| 15:22.45 | fenfir | I'm out for now. Hopefully I'll be back this evening with good news. |
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| 15:22.51 | zomg | haydn: seems restarting novacomd fixed it (using sudo /opt/nova/bin/stop-novacomd and then start-novacomd) |
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| 15:23.44 | PatrickC | dtzWill: how does one use meta+(insert key) on the TP for xterm? |
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| 15:24.31 | destinal | zomg: if using upstart / running ubuntu just "stop palm-novacom; start palm-novacom" is slightly easaier (or is it palm-novacomd -- with a d on the end, I forget) |
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| 15:25.30 | dtzWill | PatrickC: haha, i think your question can be reduced to 'why doesn't insert key work at all', no? |
| 15:25.42 | dtzWill | and answer is because my hp bt doesn't ahve it and no one's requsted it yet. |
| 15:25.54 | dtzWill | (or does insert actually work?) |
| 15:25.59 | zomg | destinal: on OS X :) |
| 15:26.04 | PatrickC | well, mainly I'm looking for the equipment of "cntrl + c" on my desktop :) |
| 15:26.06 | haydn | destinal: zomg's using OSX, keep up! =P |
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| 15:26.24 | dtzWill | PatrickC: oh, the vkb doesn't have those keys so they're not "supported" |
| 15:26.33 | PatrickC | equivalent* |
| 15:26.35 | destinal | haydn: ahh yeah that changes it a bit lol |
| 15:26.48 | PatrickC | what about when the BT keyboard is connected? |
| 15:26.54 | dtzWill | so w/o a bt keyboard, x (and therefore xterm) is significantly less usable |
| 15:27.00 | PatrickC | can there be a special key mapping? |
| 15:27.04 | dtzWill | PatrickC: well if you have a bt keyboard you just hit cotnrol+c like normal |
| 15:27.09 | oil | dtzWill: what about bt controller support in snes/gba emu? :) |
| 15:27.12 | PatrickC | not on the HP one ;) |
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| 15:27.26 | PatrickC | or does the HP one work like that? |
| 15:27.35 | destinal | hmm has anyone gotten a controller paired to the palm proprietary bt stack? |
| 15:27.36 | dtzWill | PatrickC: my hp bt has a control button |
| 15:27.42 | oil | destinal: idk |
| 15:27.44 | dtzWill | (and it's supported, yes) |
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| 15:27.55 | PatrickC | dtzWill: ah |
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| 15:28.13 | oil | destinal: there is a controller icon in the bluetooth app |
| 15:28.20 | PatrickC | so the control button on it (that normally makes the symbols pop up) works that way? cool! |
| 15:28.37 | mberg | Yeah, should get used to using CTRL-C. Remapping would be useful for local, but I spend more time sshed to remote hosts. |
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| 15:28.53 | dtzWill | PatrickC: i've never seen it pop symbols up, but i mostly use the keyboard for X :) |
| 15:29.02 | dtzWill | PatrickC: to be clear there's a button labelled 'control' |
| 15:29.30 | PatrickC | dtzWill: that's the one I was referring to :) |
| 15:29.36 | PatrickC | and I use it all the time |
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| 15:34.00 | haydn | ATTENTION: Just got a mail from HP, AZERTY Pre 3 going on sale at 17:00 today apparently! http://images.luzernsolutions.com/images/palm-bundle/hp-pre3-bundle-eng-web.html |
| 15:34.17 | Abyssul_ | what timezone |
| 15:34.21 | haydn | That's in 25 minutes |
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| 15:34.57 | haydn | £170 off contract seems reasonable, shame it's AZERTY |
| 15:35.04 | haydn | *posting in forums* |
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| 15:37.33 | mberg | It makes me sad to think that someday I'll likely need to give up my Pre2 for a non-WebOS phone. |
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| 15:38.25 | haydn | I went from Pre- to Pre3... hopefully my Pre3 will last as long as my Pre- did |
| 15:39.34 | Abyssul_ | mberg, thats why I have a backup Pre2. I can go 4 years on webOS |
| 15:40.14 | mberg | Tempted to pick up a Pre3 if I can find one, make the Pre2 my fallback. |
| 15:40.16 | haydn | Abyssul_: you better make a mirror of the app store etc then ;P |
| 15:40.39 | Abyssul_ | Who said webOS is gone? No need to make declarations when HP doesnt even know what to do with us |
| 15:41.29 | mberg | I'm a bit cynical about HP right now. Hoping to be surprised. |
| 15:41.37 | Abyssul_ | Same. |
| 15:41.43 | haydn | I can't imagine it will completely die anyway, even if nobody licenses it surely HP would open source it or something eventually rather than just binning it |
| 15:42.07 | Abyssul_ | It's definitely not going into the trash. |
| 15:42.40 | EdCates | Maybe yesterday's revelation about Google being "more open source" with some partners vs. others with Android will drive more interest in webOS licensing. |
| 15:42.49 | haydn | What would they care if they were no longer making WebOS hardware or supporting any mobile OS if there was a good open source option out there? (talking last resort here of course) |
| 15:42.53 | mberg | Maybe there's a glorious surprise. Something big, like Amazon adopting WebOS instead of Andorid. But I'm not holding my breath. |
| 15:44.04 | zomg | Gah. |
| 15:44.35 | zomg | Why didn't this forum post I'm following to install the ubuntu chroot mention anything about using special flags on the meta-doctor to enable ext3fs >_> |
| 15:45.00 | EdCates | Is it mentioned in the webos-internals wiki, zomg? |
| 15:45.10 | haydn | Actually, I suppose worst case scenario would be HP selling Palm to Apple or someone to claw some money back, they'd be happy with the patents but would kill WebOS for sure :( |
| 15:45.36 | EdCates | Yeah, Apple would be close to the Worst Case Scenario. |
| 15:46.03 | EdCates | Probably even more cruel than just killing it outright. |
| 15:46.18 | EdCates | I think Apple owning Palm's patents would be A Very Bad Thing for competition in the mobile space. |
| 15:46.26 | haydn | agreed |
| 15:46.47 | haydn | 13 minutes until Palm eurostores servers crash ;P |
| 15:46.53 | zomg | EdCates: yeah.. I stumbled upon the wiki page only after trying to figure out why mounting the ext3fs is failing |
| 15:47.40 | Abyssul_ | I dont need to backup the App Catalog. Just package up my current apps into an ipk |
| 15:48.05 | mberg | I just can't imagine what the hell they were thinking. They /knew/ it was a long-term investment. They said as much. |
| 15:48.41 | haydn | Abyssul_: I was thinking more along the lines of activation etc for your next phones... |
| 15:49.10 | Abyssul_ | You could activate without Hp supporting webOS |
| 15:49.20 | Abyssul_ | Only thing is Palm Profile |
| 15:49.24 | Abyssul_ | and App Catalog |
| 15:49.43 | EdCates | Rod has said that the need for the profile can be done away with with a patch. |
| 15:49.51 | haydn | nice |
| 15:50.15 | haydn | wonders why he sold his spare Pre3 |
| 15:50.25 | Abyssul_ | Yeah... Why did you... |
| 15:50.52 | haydn | It went to webos-internals, if someone useful didn't want it I would have kept it |
| 15:51.35 | mberg | Even if they questioned their ability to execute first class competitive hardware, they could easily license (even existing) hardware designs from someone like HTC. |
| 15:51.54 | Abyssul_ | Meh. Id rather have Samsung |
| 15:52.02 | EdCates | Well, you gave it to a good cause haydn. That's commendable. |
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| 15:52.09 | haydn | I always liked my Treo's :) |
| 15:52.20 | mberg | I'd rather have hardware. From anyone. :) |
| 15:52.46 | summatusmentis | not from anyone |
| 15:52.51 | summatusmentis | I don't want an LG webOS device |
| 15:54.44 | mberg | Another big missed opportunity for building an install base was not transitioning their thin clients over to WebOS. |
| 15:56.43 | mberg | (A market that they lead in, and already ship a proprietary Linux variant on. Would have cut internal duplication and guaranteed a market for enterprise apps.) |
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| 16:00.33 | haydn | AZERTY pre 3 now in stock at palm eurostore!! |
| 16:00.47 | zomg | frankenlayout |
| 16:00.49 | zomg | :P |
| 16:01.14 | destinal | and.. there goes the palm site |
| 16:01.21 | Abyssul_ | Lol |
| 16:01.23 | Abyssul_ | KaBOOM |
| 16:01.34 | haydn | destinal: I'm wondering how long it will last this time |
| 16:01.40 | destinal | haydn: any idea whether it's only UK shipping? |
| 16:01.46 | Sedorox | I hope they made AT&T Pre3's and will sell them eventually... |
| 16:01.50 | Abyssul_ | Does Slickdeals know? |
| 16:01.50 | Sedorox | but not holding my breath |
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| 16:03.01 | haydn | desitnal: Looks like Europe shipping only :( |
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| 16:04.48 | haydn | Here's the list: |
| 16:04.50 | haydn | <option value="40" title="AT">Ãsterreich (Austria)</option> |
| 16:04.50 | haydn | <option value="56" title="BE">Belgique (Belgium)</option> |
| 16:04.50 | haydn | <option value="208" title="DK">Danmark (Denmark)</option> |
| 16:04.50 | haydn | <option value="246" title="FI">Suomi (Finland)</option> |
| 16:04.50 | haydn | <option value="250" title="FR">France (France)</option> |
| 16:04.51 | haydn | <option value="276" title="DE">Deutschland (Germany)</option> |
| 16:04.53 | haydn | <option value="300" title="GR">Îλλάδα (Greece)</option> |
| 16:04.55 | haydn | <option value="372" title="IE">Ireland (Ireland)</option> |
| 16:04.57 | haydn | <option value="380" title="IT">Italia (Italy)</option> |
| 16:04.59 | haydn | <option value="442" title="LU">Luxembourg (Luxembourg)</option> |
| 16:05.04 | haydn | <option value="528" title="NL">Nederland (Netherlands)</option> |
| 16:05.05 | haydn | <option value="620" title="PT">Portugal (Portugal)</option> |
| 16:05.08 | haydn | <option value="724" title="ES">España (Spain)</option> |
| 16:05.09 | haydn | <option value="752" title="SE">Sverige (Sweden)</option> |
| 16:05.11 | haydn | <option value="756" title="CH">Schweiz (Switzerland)</option> |
| 16:05.13 | haydn | <option value="826" selected="selected" title="GB">United Kingdom (United Kingdom)</option> |
| 16:05.25 | wrea | could have pastebin'd that... |
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| 16:07.50 | Pleun | nah man, pastebin is dangerous these days |
| 16:07.59 | EdCates | needs to skedaddle and pay more attention to Ye Olde Day Jobbe. Later! |
| 16:08.21 | Bb_ | getting an error message not allowing me to download the content of any emails, anyone has any idea |
| 16:08.45 | destinal | Pleun: lol |
| 16:08.46 | Maqs | use your facebook wall instead of pastebin, it's much more annoying! |
| 16:08.55 | haydn | wrea, it's not code - that's the countries you can order a Pre3 from palm eurostore, yes I could have sed'ed out the <>'s and put it on 1 line... but don't want to slow people down if they're frantically trying to order |
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| 16:13.27 | Bb_ | anyone run into such email issues |
| 16:14.05 | pcworld | Bb_: read about that on Twitter |
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| 16:14.18 | Fuu_ | heyho. problem with the TouchPad. when i copy photos on my gf's TP, the app simply doesnt recognize. on my TP, everything just fine. even after a reboot or sth, the app just shows nothing.... |
| 16:14.45 | Fuu_ | Internalz shows all folders and images |
| 16:15.12 | pcworld | try to hide the folder the photos are in (put a dot before it) and then unhide it |
| 16:15.12 | Fuu_ | probably a database error? |
| 16:15.18 | Fuu_ | k |
| 16:15.21 | Fuu_ | i'll try |
| 16:16.05 | pcworld | Bb_: not sure, try to delete and readd the email account / you're on a TP, right? |
| 16:16.23 | Fuu_ | thx pcworld |
| 16:16.24 | zefyx | yay. veer refurb arrived |
| 16:16.25 | Fuu_ | works!! |
| 16:16.53 | pcworld | Fuu_: media indexer is a really strange thing |
| 16:17.14 | Fuu_ | i really tried everything |
| 16:17.21 | Fuu_ | nothing worked |
| 16:17.31 | Fuu_ | and then that simple tip... bam, works |
| 16:17.32 | Fuu_ | :D |
| 16:18.00 | Fuu_ | hm |
| 16:18.09 | Fuu_ | and Internalz doesnt know äöü |
| 16:18.51 | Fuu_ | seems like canadians dont need those letters..... |
| 16:18.52 | pcworld | Fuu_: the media indexer could have indexed them before they were fully copied, and wrote in the db that they're corrupt/no photos |
| 16:18.53 | Fuu_ | ;P |
| 16:19.02 | Fuu_ | ok |
| 16:19.10 | Fuu_ | but i tried different folders |
| 16:19.11 | Fuu_ | names |
| 16:19.12 | Fuu_ | etc |
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| 16:20.43 | pcworld | I see only some boxes in your Internalz msg in wIRC |
| 16:21.11 | zomg | Hmmm, I wonder if you could run Minecraft on ubuntu on touchpad... =) |
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| 16:22.09 | haydn | zomg: ZOMG!! |
| 16:23.15 | scoutcamper | zomg, only if you have ia32-libs compiled for armel |
| 16:23.38 | zomg | I don't even know what ia32-libs is but okay :] |
| 16:24.13 | zomg | With my elite nix skills I probably will fail quite spectacularily if I attempt something like that |
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| 16:29.08 | Fuu_ | is there a possibility to "reload" the db |
| 16:29.31 | Fuu_ | the photos error remains, i have tohide/unhide every new album. |
| 16:29.59 | Fuu_ | and if i rename a folder, the album exists twice, old folder name and new one |
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| 16:35.50 | zomg | oh ffs :| |
| 16:36.19 | summatusmentis | for those advocating samsung buy webOS, it looks like they're planning to buy meego instead http://www.usamarketnews.com/featured/6037/samsung-setting-up-to-go-with-meego-os.html |
| 16:36.22 | zomg | Two times in the row getting "curl(18) transfer closed with <number> bytes remaining to read" when trying to install Ubuntu Chroot from Preware |
| 16:36.44 | zomg | Is this some sort of an automatic timeout somewhere? |
| 16:36.46 | dtzWill | zomg: try on wifi? else download the ipk manually and point preware at it |
| 16:36.57 | dtzWill | zomg: not sure re:default dl timeouts |
| 16:36.57 | zomg | Yeah I'm on wifi |
| 16:37.33 | zomg | Guess I'll try downloading it manually then |
| 16:38.44 | zefyx | i have 5000 condoms to sell. |
| 16:38.44 | zefyx | ebay here i come.. |
| 16:39.09 | haydn | zefyx: BNIB or used? |
| 16:39.30 | Maqs | zefyx: you should staple instructions to them |
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| 16:57.14 | BeBoo_ | Hey everyone. Let me know if I am in the wrong place - I'm hunting through a PalmDatabase.db3 file and trying to extract the text messages. I found the correct table (FolderEntry) but I notice that there is no "to" address field for sent messages and the fromAddress field is empty for those messages. The firstName and lastName fields are empty for every record so that isn't a help |
| 16:57.14 | BeBoo_ | either. Can anyone point me in the right direction? |
| 16:59.11 | PatrickC | what are you trying to do? |
| 16:59.15 | PatrickC | back up the texts? |
| 16:59.33 | zomg | Is there something wrong with this http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/testing/armv7/org.webosinternals.ubuntu-natty-chroot_11.04-3_arm.ipk |
| 16:59.39 | BeBoo_ | I need to produce them for an attorney for a case |
| 16:59.44 | zomg | No matter what I use to download it, it just dies before it finishes |
| 17:00.12 | zomg | Tried via preware, tried via wget on device, tried via browser on PC |
| 17:00.23 | PatrickC | BeBoo_: umm... I'm not sure |
| 17:01.16 | booto | zomg: does -c work with wget? |
| 17:01.23 | PatrickC | BeBoo_: this is the right channel though |
| 17:02.09 | zomg | booto: I'll try although I doubt it since it failed to resume on PC |
| 17:02.20 | BeBoo_ | â¢PatrickC⢠thank you. I got the messages just fine and it looks great except the attorney asked where the "to" was... I found a python script that extracts but it doesn't work and it also doesn't seem to show the "to" either. |
| 17:02.37 | zomg | First I'm gonna pair my BT keyboard because there's no way I'm typing that again on the touch keyboard :D |
| 17:02.40 | BeBoo_ | I'll wait to see if anyone else has any ideas |
| 17:03.04 | linuxjacques | zomg: you need to novaterm into the tp |
| 17:03.17 | zomg | linuxjacques: ? |
| 17:03.41 | linuxjacques | I can't believe you are typing that line in |
| 17:03.54 | zomg | hehe |
| 17:03.58 | linuxjacques | novater into the tp then paste the line |
| 17:04.00 | PatrickC | zomg: use novaterm on the desktop! lol |
| 17:04.02 | zomg | wanted to see how well the keyboard is suited for that :P |
| 17:04.09 | PatrickC | lol |
| 17:04.13 | zomg | about equally poorly as the iPad's it seems |
| 17:04.26 | zomg | although it seems decent as long as you don't need to type special chars all the time |
| 17:07.19 | rhcp[linux] | the keyboard is quite awesome, but, I do agree about the special chars |
| 17:07.27 | rhcp[linux] | sometimes its very hard to find them |
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| 17:08.34 | zomg | Hmm |
| 17:08.38 | zomg | BT keyboard not pairing |
| 17:08.45 | rhcp[linux] | most dont. |
| 17:08.47 | zomg | I wonder if the problem is that the keyboard is Apple |
| 17:08.48 | zomg | :p |
| 17:08.52 | rhcp[linux] | its locked to PRE/palm ones |
| 17:08.59 | rhcp[linux] | ive heard apples pair |
| 17:09.00 | rhcp[linux] | tbh |
| 17:09.03 | zomg | That's... pretty moronic |
| 17:09.06 | zomg | Oh wait |
| 17:09.08 | rhcp[linux] | i have one here i could try. |
| 17:09.08 | zomg | Yeah, shows up now |
| 17:09.12 | rhcp[linux] | ah |
| 17:09.13 | rhcp[linux] | yep |
| 17:09.13 | zomg | Was just really slow about it |
| 17:09.30 | rhcp[linux] | i should try a keyboard |
| 17:09.40 | rhcp[linux] | i got one sitting with no-use |
| 17:09.41 | rhcp[linux] | :) |
| 17:09.45 | evtl | do i need the preware app for 99cent to use preware? |
| 17:09.59 | rhcp[linux] | no |
| 17:10.06 | rhcp[linux] | you can use an installer for free |
| 17:10.13 | rhcp[linux] | check the webos-intl site |
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| 17:10.21 | evtl | i get everytime an error (hp touchpad) :/ |
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| 17:10.36 | rhcp[linux] | doing it wrong then |
| 17:10.38 | rhcp[linux] | works fine here |
| 17:10.41 | evtl | :/ |
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| 17:10.54 | Fuu_ | Developer Mode enabled? |
| 17:11.00 | evtl | i use this instructions http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Preware-DE |
| 17:11.03 | evtl | sure |
| 17:11.04 | Fuu_ | using webOS Quick Install? |
| 17:11.20 | evtl | and the webos doctor |
| 17:11.32 | Fuu_ | was funktioniert denn nicht? ;) |
| 17:11.41 | evtl | ich kriege immer nen error |
| 17:11.46 | Fuu_ | den Doktor brauchst du nicht |
| 17:12.30 | evtl | wenn ich quickisntall ausführe, will der aber das ich den runteralde |
| 17:12.35 | Fuu_ | webOS Quick Install 4.3.0 downloaden, Touchpad in Developer Mode (webos20090606) |
| 17:12.53 | Fuu_ | na dann lass den runterladen |
| 17:13.00 | Fuu_ | ich hatte vielleicht noch einen rumliegen |
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| 17:13.07 | dwc- | d'oh, I forgot to try my friend's apple BT keyboard on my touchpad |
| 17:13.07 | Fuu_ | ansonsten installier mal den Novacom treiber neu |
| 17:13.15 | evtl | hab ich vorhin |
| 17:14.49 | zomg | booto: seems -c is doing at least something, but it keeps dying again and again. Guess I'll just keep -c'ing until it finishes if it ever will :D |
| 17:15.16 | zomg | Oh right. It apparently will not |
| 17:15.19 | zomg | wget: short write |
| 17:15.45 | zomg | Are there any alternative sources for this ipk? (the ubuntu chroot thing) |
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| 17:17.51 | BeBoo_ | â¢PatrickC⢠I found it! It's in com.palm.pim.Recipient - the IDs match up |
| 17:18.20 | linuxjacques | zomg: are you sure you have enough space on the tp where you are downloading that file? |
| 17:19.22 | evtl | (Fuu_): Error: no device found. |
| 17:19.52 | zomg | linuxjacques: yeah.. it keeps failing the download on my PC as well |
| 17:20.13 | linuxjacques | zomg: at same place every time? |
| 17:20.18 | zomg | Yep |
| 17:20.36 | linuxjacques | zomg: what's the link? I can try downloading it |
| 17:20.49 | zomg | http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/testing/armv7/org.webosinternals.ubuntu-natty-chroot_11.04-3_arm.ipk |
| 17:20.52 | zomg | thanks |
| 17:21.55 | linuxjacques | zomg: where does it fail for you? |
| 17:22.03 | zomg | at 61% ish |
| 17:22.11 | linuxjacques | ok, at 40% |
| 17:22.28 | linuxjacques | 70% :-\ |
| 17:22.44 | zomg | Heh |
| 17:22.51 | zomg | Not only is it much faster for you but guess it works :P |
| 17:22.55 | linuxjacques | it downloaded OK for me, sorry |
| 17:23.02 | zomg | Mind sending the file? |
| 17:23.18 | linuxjacques | can't really do that from work |
| 17:23.39 | linuxjacques | hmm, how did you want me to send it? |
| 17:23.43 | zomg | Okay, well I'll try downloading it from my VPS which is in the UK, maybe it'll work better |
| 17:23.49 | zomg | You could've just used DCC |
| 17:23.57 | zomg | Or, that would've worked for me at least =) |
| 17:24.18 | linuxjacques | hmm, I'm on weechat. haven't done DCC on it before |
| 17:27.51 | zomg | Seems the download finished fine on my VPS |
| 17:27.59 | zomg | I guess it just didn't like Finland |
| 17:27.59 | zomg | =) |
| 17:31.57 | izza | usb partition is 27.53GB stock, right? |
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| 17:40.10 | rhcp[linux] | btw to pair that apple keyboard |
| 17:40.10 | rhcp[linux] | http://www.aeonity.com/frost/pairing-ipad-bluetooth-keyboard-hp-touchpad |
| 17:40.14 | rhcp[linux] | i just tested it |
| 17:40.58 | haydn | Wow, Firefox + flash on 64bit Fedora is sooo unstable! |
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| 17:48.51 | Hobbz- | I'm experiencing a problem with meta-doctor stopping around the 20% mark with a number of errors on the ubuntu terminal. It references something with flash and java. I re-downloaded the drivers but still have the problem. Any ideas? |
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| 17:50.15 | Abyssul | You mean with building the .jar? |
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| 17:52.46 | Hobbz- | nope, meta-doctor was running.... think I found a reference on the pc forums here -- http://forums.precentral.net/3116535-post66.html |
| 17:53.13 | nebula | Hobbz-: have you installed sun-java6-jre? |
| 17:53.17 | Hobbz- | drat - different error messages |
| 17:53.55 | Hobbz- | I believe so, I followed the steps to install java |
| 17:53.55 | nebula | dpkg -l | grep java |
| 17:54.29 | nebula | need to see the actual output of the error log |
| 17:54.33 | nebula | dpaste it |
| 17:54.49 | Hobbz- | meta-doctor was around the 20% complete mark when a screen of errors scrolled up and it stopped. how can I copy/paste from the ubuntu window? |
| 17:55.44 | Abyssul | Faulty hardware? |
| 17:55.56 | Abyssul | Give us the error log in pastebin |
| 17:56.12 | Hobbz- | how can I paste from the ubuntu window? it's not saving the copy |
| 17:56.50 | nebula | paste in a web browser "in" the vm |
| 17:56.55 | nebula | dpaste |
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| 17:58.55 | Hobbz- | okay, it's in pastebin now |
| 17:59.18 | Hobbz- | http://pastebin.com/fq0dPPDS |
| 18:00.20 | Hobbz- | I completed the sprint frankenpre conversion last night. Reason I re-ran the doctor is because of problems with patches this morning |
| 18:02.07 | Abyssul | So its run before |
| 18:02.15 | Hobbz- | yes |
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| 18:03.26 | Abyssul | Try another USB slot |
| 18:03.35 | Hobbz- | okay |
| 18:04.03 | evtl | how i can use android market apps on my hp touchpad? preware is installed |
| 18:04.12 | Abyssul | evtl, you cant |
| 18:04.33 | evtl | is there no way? |
| 18:04.36 | Abyssul | Nope |
| 18:05.46 | yazgoo | Hello, trying http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/OpenGL_Triangle_of_Doom, I get the following error:Â (process:6284): LunaService-CRITICAL **: Error in /home/reviewdaemon/projects/nova/oe/BUILD-topaz/work/luna-service2-2.0.0-135.2/135.2/src/transport.c:2439 ;Â (process:6284): LunaService-CRITICAL **: Invalid permissions for (null) and after a while the process ends. |
| 18:06.07 | dtzWill | yazgoo: nothing happens on the screen? |
| 18:06.33 | linuxjacques | that error is benign |
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| 18:06.38 | yazgoo | the triangle is displayed as it should as far as I can say. |
| 18:06.50 | dtzWill | oh yeah, then you're fine. the error is completely benign. |
| 18:06.52 | linuxjacques | I get those on all my PDK apps when I launch them from cmdline |
| 18:07.01 | yazgoo | Ok, but why is the process stoping then? |
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| 18:07.29 | linuxjacques | I dunno. been a while since I looked at that code |
| 18:07.44 | linuxjacques | you sure it's not intended behavior? |
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| 18:08.27 | yazgoo | Yeah, I'm sure, there's a quit event in the main loop, even if I remove it this happens. |
| 18:08.42 | linuxjacques | yeah I see now |
| 18:08.59 | linuxjacques | how long does it run? |
| 18:09.23 | Abyssul | Hobbz-, get it to work? |
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| 18:09.41 | yazgoo | less than 10 seconds. |
| 18:10.00 | linuxjacques | can you watch top while it's running? see if there's a memory leak? |
| 18:10.15 | Hobbz- | Abyssul... huh - different type of error earlier in the attempt |
| 18:10.17 | yazgoo | sure. |
| 18:10.24 | linuxjacques | you could also install gdb from optware and run it under that |
| 18:10.53 | linuxjacques | anything in the /var/log/messages ? |
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| 18:11.40 | Hobbz- | here's this new log -- http://pastebin.com/fq0dPPDS |
| 18:11.45 | Hobbz- | oops... wrong link |
| 18:11.49 | yazgoo | No, it keeps at 1% or so. |
| 18:12.47 | linuxjacques | hmm |
| 18:12.59 | linuxjacques | if I had my tp I'd try it |
| 18:13.38 | Hobbz- | here's the new log info --- http://pastebin.com/gEW2uu84 |
| 18:14.30 | yazgoo | linuxjacques: {LunaSysMgr}: void IpcServer::processRemoved(int, bool): pid: 7565, appId: com.palm.app.SDL: |
| 18:14.35 | DThought_ | is metadoctor able to change the keyboard layout ? there seems to be an option CHANGE_KEYBOARD_TYPE ; but its only mentioned on the french metadoctor wiki page (and i don't speak french)... apart from that there seems to be a precentral thread .... |
| 18:14.42 | destinal | Hobbz-: I thought you got all this working yesterday re doctor |
| 18:14.43 | DThought_ | does metadoctor work for webos 2.2 / pre 3? |
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| 18:15.50 | zomg | Is there some way to see if Preware is doing something or just sitting crashed? |
| 18:15.50 | Hobbz- | lol destinal.... I did, but had problems with a theme and some patches that I couldn't resolve |
| 18:16.05 | zomg | Installing the ubuntu ipk and it's been spinning the spinner pretty long now |
| 18:16.12 | linuxjacques | it takes a while |
| 18:16.22 | linuxjacques | I usually ssh in and watch top |
| 18:16.33 | linuxjacques | or you could novaterm in |
| 18:16.41 | zomg | Yeah thought it might since it's 90mb, just wasn't sure how long |
| 18:16.53 | zomg | Well I have xterm installed already |
| 18:16.58 | linuxjacques | messing with the flash on the tp takes amazingly long |
| 18:17.10 | linuxjacques | I installed the audubon birds app, and it too 45 minutes |
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| 18:17.41 | Loudergood | yeah they used some seriously slow flash memory on these things |
| 18:18.01 | zomg | Hm, something called WebAppMgr is going at 10.1 CPU but besides that not much |
| 18:18.08 | zomg | LunaSysMgr at 8ish |
| 18:18.19 | linuxjacques | what's iowait like? |
| 18:18.38 | linuxjacques | if you df, do you see available space decreasing? |
| 18:19.29 | Hobbz- | destinal - guess I'm just having bad luck this week |
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| 18:19.46 | zomg | iowait? |
| 18:20.38 | Hobbz- | I totally shut down ubuntu and restarted from scratch again... let's see if that does anything |
| 18:20.45 | dwc- | the time I watched audubon install |
| 18:20.47 | dwc- | it wasn't IO limited |
| 18:20.57 | dwc- | one CPU core was pegged at 100% for cryptofs |
| 18:21.00 | Abyssul | Hobbz-, rebuild your meta-doctor git and recompile the .jar |
| 18:21.06 | linuxjacques | in procps top iowait is %wa |
| 18:21.56 | Hobbz- | Abyssul, I started at the first step all over again. Just restarted doctor and it's at 12%. Crossing fingers |
| 18:21.58 | zomg | not much happening with df at least |
| 18:22.40 | zomg | iowait is 0.3 |
| 18:22.46 | linuxjacques | zomg: which partition are you installing it into? |
| 18:23.16 | zomg | the meta-doctored ext3 partition |
| 18:23.36 | zomg | or at least I assume that's where it would put it since it exists |
| 18:23.52 | Hobbz- | holy cow... it's past the previous failure points now |
| 18:23.55 | linuxjacques | mounted to /media/ext3fs ? |
| 18:24.03 | zomg | Yep |
| 18:24.29 | linuxjacques | if you "df /media/ext3fs" and sait a few seconds and do it again, does the available space decrease? |
| 18:25.41 | Abyssul | Hobbz-, magic... |
| 18:25.47 | zomg | linuxjacques: nope, guess it's frozen |
| 18:25.52 | linuxjacques | hmm :-\ |
| 18:26.13 | Hobbz- | lol Abyssul... that and a few colorfully worded threats at the machine in front of me =) |
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| 18:26.28 | zomg | and my bt keyboard keeps going nuts... :P |
| 18:26.32 | Abyssul | threaten to pull the cord |
| 18:26.58 | Hobbz- | heh, among other things |
| 18:28.26 | Hobbz- | ironic as anything though - I was just telling somebody this morning that computers don't have moods or get tempermental. guess I need to apologize to her when I get back lol |
| 18:28.47 | Abyssul | hehe |
| 18:29.48 | zomg | Probably the batteries going low.. I'm not sure if I've ever changed them and I've had the keyboard for quite a while =) |
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| 18:32.33 | linuxjacques | zomg: apple bt kb? I haven't had any issues with mine on the tp |
| 18:32.44 | linuxjacques | but it has new batteries :-) |
| 18:33.56 | Hobbz- | Abyssul, Detinal & Nebula - thank you very much for your patience and help, I'm very grateful |
| 18:34.07 | Abyssul | np |
| 18:34.58 | zomg | linuxjacques: yeah, same keyboard here |
| 18:35.14 | linuxjacques | zomg: you have the old 3 battery or newer 2 battery model? |
| 18:35.27 | zomg | three battery one |
| 18:35.45 | linuxjacques | me too |
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| 18:41.15 | bedrock | hi, i'm tryign to follow the wiki for WebOS Internals PDK |
| 18:41.20 | bedrock | *trying |
| 18:41.38 | bedrock | and when i get to make toolchain i get the following bzip2 error |
| 18:41.54 | bedrock | bzip2: (stdin) is not a bzip2 file. |
| 18:42.22 | bedrock | any ideas what i am missing? |
| 18:46.15 | linuxjacques | that looks vaguely familiar |
| 18:46.27 | linuxjacques | like the download failed maybe |
| 18:47.21 | bedrock | hmm, yes, the .bz2 fiel looks rather like an HTML page in nano :) |
| 18:47.25 | bedrock | *file |
| 18:48.52 | zomg | Bah, the install froze again |
| 18:48.56 | linuxjacques | bbl |
| 18:49.04 | zomg | Spent 63 mbs of space from the ext3 partition and got stuck :P |
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| 18:54.19 | bedrock | so where does one get arm-2007q3-51-arm-none-linux-gnueabi-i686-pc-linux-gnu.tar.bz2 now codesourcery is mentor? |
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| 19:05.31 | zomg | Ha, working now |
| 19:05.38 | zomg | Just did it via webos quick install which seems to have worked |
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| 22:09.01 | rhcp[linux] | veer? never heard of it :) |
| 22:09.21 | zefyx | death to the infidel! |
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| 22:23.43 | sorny | rwhitby: added the repos mentioned, still not found :/ |
| 22:25.03 | rwhitby | well, myself and thousands of others see it with those instructions, so I don't know what to say other than make sure you actually followed the instructions precisely and then did a type-to-search in Preware to find it. |
| 22:26.45 | ziggo0 | rhcp: I got mine for 85$ used in great condition 6 months ago |
| 22:26.52 | rhcp[linux] | which is it? |
| 22:26.53 | rhcp[linux] | Pre2? |
| 22:26.54 | rhcp[linux] | pre? |
| 22:27.01 | ziggo0 | The veer is nice but I don't care for how small the screen is...its my only gripe about the pre1 is how small the screen is |
| 22:27.05 | ziggo0 | yea pre plus |
| 22:27.09 | ziggo0 | (1) |
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| 22:27.34 | rhcp[linux] | 3g though right? |
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| 22:27.57 | ziggo0 | yep. i dont have 4g coverage in this area, even in 4g i dont think the pre1 can max it out |
| 22:28.10 | rhcp[linux] | oh |
| 22:28.12 | rhcp[linux] | the pre has LTE? |
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| 22:28.31 | ziggo0 | the veer does i think |
| 22:28.49 | rhcp[linux] | http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=verizon+veer&_sacat=9355&_dmpt=PDA_Accessories&_odkw=verizon+pre+2&_osacat=9355&_trksid=p3286.c0.m270.l1313 |
| 22:28.51 | rhcp[linux] | nothing |
| 22:29.10 | ziggo0 | I found mine on a forum (in the fs/ft section) |
| 22:29.21 | wrea | rhcp[linux], GSM only |
| 22:29.22 | ziggo0 | it was a buy on a whim thing cuz i needed a new phone, turns out it wasnt half bad |
| 22:29.25 | rhcp[linux] | oh ok |
| 22:29.36 | rhcp[linux] | any webos phone on verizon have LTE ?:) |
| 22:29.40 | wrea | nope |
| 22:29.44 | rhcp[linux] | crap |
| 22:29.46 | rhcp[linux] | :( |
| 22:29.50 | rhcp[linux] | im loving my 4G |
| 22:30.09 | wrea | If everything works out, i'll be getting a veer |
| 22:30.24 | rhcp[linux] | is the veer supposed to have 4G lte? :) |
| 22:30.30 | rhcp[linux] | id swap off android |
| 22:30.33 | rhcp[linux] | i realy dig webos |
| 22:31.08 | wrea | Veer is 4G |
| 22:31.09 | ziggo0 | I like them both lol. |
| 22:31.17 | rhcp[linux] | wrea, yea? |
| 22:31.17 | rhcp[linux] | nice |
| 22:31.19 | rhcp[linux] | verizon? |
| 22:32.07 | wrea | Again, GSM only. Locked to att. But can be unlocked so you can use it on other carriers |
| 22:33.03 | rhcp[linux] | well yea |
| 22:33.05 | rhcp[linux] | I can unlock it :P |
| 22:33.08 | rwhitby | Veer is not really 4G. It's AT&T's 3G HSDPA+ which they label as 4G. |
| 22:33.11 | rhcp[linux] | Thats what i do as a side job |
| 22:33.13 | rhcp[linux] | i unlock phones |
| 22:33.21 | rhcp[linux] | but that sux :/ |
| 22:33.30 | rhcp[linux] | I guess ill wait for a webos LTE |
| 22:33.34 | wrea | rwhitby, seriously? Gotta love marketing |
| 22:33.40 | rwhitby | seriously |
| 22:33.45 | wrea | rhcp[linux], might be waiting a looong time |
| 22:33.56 | rhcp[linux] | maybe |
| 22:33.59 | rhcp[linux] | but its my only choice |
| 22:34.04 | rhcp[linux] | 4G rox on vzw |
| 22:34.05 | rhcp[linux] | :) |
| 22:34.21 | wrea | I wish I could program my way out of a paper bag. It'd be nice to have a gui for kismet |
| 22:34.34 | ziggo0 | My buddy has shown me some pretty impressive 4g stuff, he lives over in boston |
| 22:34.45 | ziggo0 | I'm not that into phones but im quite surprised at the speeds |
| 22:34.47 | m0ngr31 | rwhitby: what database file does impostah pull the persistent data from? |
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| 22:34.50 | ziggo0 | latency still is crappy |
| 22:35.09 | rwhitby | m0ngr31: db8 |
| 22:35.09 | wrea | Hell, right now I have a dumb phone, so I have low expectations. lol |
| 22:35.37 | m0ngr31 | rwhitby: i sorry, i meant what actual file. is it like indexes.db or what? |
| 22:36.44 | rwhitby | m0ngr31: Impostah uses the com.palm.db service to access the db8 database in /var/db |
| 22:37.44 | m0ngr31 | rwhitby: is there a way to inject data into that database? i'm trying to make sideloading for the kindle a reality |
| 22:38.38 | eliasp | m0ngr31: AFAIK it's simply an SQLite3 DB, isn't it? |
| 22:39.10 | m0ngr31 | eliasp: should be, but i don't know how to add data... |
| 22:39.27 | rwhitby | eliasp: it is not |
| 22:39.35 | rwhitby | eliasp: use the com.palm.db service API |
| 22:39.40 | eliasp | rwhitby: oh, ok.. I thought so |
| 22:39.52 | rwhitby | s/eliasp/m0ngr3l/ |
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| 22:43.48 | m0ngr31 | rwhitby: can you give me a quick example? or a site that might tell me how? |
| 22:44.04 | rwhitby | developer.palm.com |
| 22:44.33 | m0ngr31 | thanks, i was just browsing that :) |
| 22:44.41 | m0ngr31 | https://developer.palm.com/content/api/reference/services/db8.html |
| 22:44.42 | m0ngr31 | ? |
| 22:45.58 | jelatta | is facebook chat not working for anybody else? (palm pre 1.45 here) |
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| 22:47.21 | jelatta | the /etc/hosts file looks fine, used to never had a problem |
| 22:48.24 | zefyx | veer doesnt have tmobile bands for hspa+ |
| 22:48.24 | zefyx | only edge. |
| 22:49.26 | wrea | Ouch. I never checked out other bands, since I'm on att |
| 22:49.27 | jelatta | pointing to 69.63.181.105 talk.google.com |
| 22:49.59 | jelatta | i just pinged it though and its saying 74.125.91.125 |
| 23:05.57 | jelatta | well 69.63.181.105 def seems to be the right address |
| 23:09.19 | dwc- | what's facebook chat? /etc/hosts the thing so "google talk" connects to facebook instead? |
| 23:09.27 | jelatta | yeah |
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| 23:12.12 | Darkmagister | someone know if on the pre3 package there is the pouch ???? |
| 23:23.40 | dwc- | pouch? |
| 23:24.48 | oil | i dont think they've done the sleeping bag since the pre-/+ |
| 23:25.22 | zefyx | ^ |
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| 23:25.32 | oil | at least, my pixi/pre2/veer didnt come with one |
| 23:25.41 | zefyx | you are correct. |
| 23:27.49 | dwc- | oh, the pouch all my pre friends asked where mine was |
| 23:27.54 | dwc- | me with the pre2 |
| 23:28.04 | dwc- | "what leather sleeve?" |
| 23:28.15 | oil | heh |
| 23:28.32 | oil | i've never used it for anything more then storage |
| 23:28.41 | oil | the phone is too hard to get out of it if its ringing |
| 23:28.52 | dwc- | I think all people do with those cases is lose them |
| 23:29.01 | oil | lol |
| 23:30.31 | YeahRight | i just got: Sorry, Too Many Cards Please toss away any you're not using to make room for more. |
| 23:30.45 | YeahRight | while i dont have any cards left to throuw away |
| 23:30.52 | dwc- | luna restart time |
| 23:30.54 | YeahRight | i guess this is somekind of memory leak? |
| 23:30.57 | *** join/#webos-internals d503 (401c9883@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.28.152.131) |
| 23:31.03 | oil | yeah |
| 23:31.11 | YeahRight | how often can this happen? and can i find the culprit somehow? |
| 23:31.16 | dwc- | actually |
| 23:31.21 | dwc- | if you have any homebrew stuff |
| 23:31.27 | dwc- | (or even if you don't) |
| 23:31.33 | dwc- | you mgiht want to novacom in and look at top |
| 23:31.34 | YeahRight | i have homebrew |
| 23:31.50 | YeahRight | from terminal you mean? |
| 23:31.52 | dwc- | since it looks at the amount of memory that's free |
| 23:31.55 | dwc- | yes |
| 23:32.07 | YeahRight | well would it still open a termainal with that error occuring? |
| 23:32.07 | dwc- | and if you sort by memory you can see what's eating up the memory |
| 23:32.28 | dwc- | an on the device itself? probably not |
| 23:32.40 | dwc- | but, novaterm from a pc is more likely to |
| 23:32.48 | dwc- | or ssh in |
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| 23:33.06 | YeahRight | yeah i'm just doing right that..still had a putty window open |
| 23:33.15 | dwc- | sometimes I've found Luna to be at fault, but for awhile, every night, my phone would hang because the palm backup app would eat up all the memory and swap on my phone |
| 23:33.23 | YeahRight | 4600 root 25 5 889m 548m 36m S 0.5 59.7 23:13.02 WebAppMgr |
| 23:33.26 | *** part/#webos-internals d503 (401c9883@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.28.152.131) |
| 23:33.30 | dwc- | luna restart time! |
| 23:33.44 | YeahRight | what exactly is Luna in webos? |
| 23:33.46 | dwc- | s/palm backup app/palm backup service/ |
| 23:33.58 | dwc- | that's the thing that shows you the display and the cards and stuff |
| 23:34.20 | cat-xeger | 's hoping that HP will either continue to provide that service, or start providing some plausible alternatives... |
| 23:34.31 | YeahRight | i see..is a luna reset usually enough compared with a device reset? |
| 23:34.45 | dwc- | it will if it's luna's fault (like yours appears to be) |
| 23:34.49 | cat-xeger | (although it just gets back to why I'm not big on "cloud" ) |
| 23:35.18 | YeahRight | ok thanks for the info dwc- :-) |
| 23:35.45 | YeahRight | is it normal luna can do this? i mean its a very important part of webos.. |
| 23:39.37 | newbie|3 | hey guys is there any way to find out the device type (if it's a pre/pre+/pre3) via a terminal connection? |
| 23:40.20 | YeahRight | uname -a maybe? |
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| 23:42.02 | newbie|3 | unfortuanately that just tells me the version of webos installed... not the actual hardware type... but actually that should do for my needs. :P.# |
| 23:42.14 | YeahRight | heh |
| 23:47.02 | Darkmagister | ok no pouch :( i have 2 pre- and i love it :D ...i need to buy one for the pre3 :D ... |
| 23:47.40 | Darkmagister | another question .... with pre3 i need a sim card and it try to connect to 3g to download the profile or i can use the wifi network???? |