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| 00:37.39 | dwc- | !testing-feeds |
| 00:37.41 | dwc- | ~testing-feeds |
| 00:37.41 | infobot | testing-feeds is a means of testing new WebOS Internals products, documented at http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Testing_Feeds |
| 00:37.52 | ziplock503 | I see it |
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| 03:31.41 | Abyssul | Anyone have a clue why the add launcher pages linux app for TP doesnt work on my TP? I checked the Tweaks app too. |
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| 04:48.43 | PatrickC | you can ssh over usb? right? |
| 04:54.11 | cryptk | Abyssul, what does it, or does it not do |
| 04:54.20 | cryptk | you just isntall it and then restart the TP |
| 04:58.34 | Abyssul | I install it and nothing changes |
| 04:58.45 | Abyssul | Ive installed it and uninstalled it twice with reboot inbetween |
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| 05:21.12 | Lumiere | Abyssul: works for me |
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| 08:04.59 | hangfire | Lazar_Dobrescu: It's an Irish Pre+ on a different network than the one that it was bought on |
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| 09:25.29 | destinal | rwhitby: whoa, novacom open sourced? |
| 09:28.11 | destinal | err, no, those are binaries only on the open source site? confused |
| 09:30.20 | destinal | http://opensource.palm.com/packages.html has novacom: novacom-linux-32.tgz, novacom-linux-64.tgz, novacom-mac.tgz, novacom-win.tgz |
| 09:30.35 | destinal | but they're all binaries packages, no idea why they're on opensource.palm.com |
| 09:30.53 | ka6sox | its the cdn they use for pushing things out... |
| 09:31.05 | ka6sox | that people can "find" |
| 09:31.11 | destinal | not in the packages list though |
| 09:31.27 | ka6sox | host side right? |
| 09:31.30 | destinal | it's never been used for anything but open source |
| 09:32.02 | destinal | http://opensource.palm.com/packages.html has links to http://palm.cdnetworks.net/opensource/novacom/novacom-linux-32.tgz for instance |
| 09:32.20 | destinal | whereas normally it just has lists of webos versions |
| 09:32.51 | destinal | just look at the page and you'll see why it's weird |
| 09:38.56 | hangfire | Is novacom part of the mojo framework? (What is the mojo framework?) |
| 09:39.08 | hangfire | basically: can I re-host novacom binaries? |
| 09:40.28 | ka6sox | hangfire, not that I've seen |
| 09:40.31 | destinal | hangfire: it's not entirely clear what license they're posted under here |
| 09:40.45 | ka6sox | unless those binaries have a different license than I've seen. |
| 09:41.00 | hangfire | hmm, yeah ok. |
| 09:41.01 | hangfire | thanks |
| 09:41.17 | destinal | hmm there's an hp_license_agreement.pdf |
| 09:42.51 | destinal | http://pastebin.com/UFDSdXNR |
| 09:43.08 | destinal | CAREFULLY READ THE FOLLOWING TERMS AND CONDITIONS (“AGREEMENT”) BEFORE USING OR OTHERWISE ACCESSING THE NOVACOM SOFTWARE. THE SOFTWARE IS LICENSED BY HP, |
| 09:43.09 | destinal | etc |
| 09:43.23 | hangfire | ah, ok. must replace the old license |
| 09:45.02 | destinal | yeah, it isn't licensed for distribution, so apparently it's just an easy place to download novacom for the various platforms, which people have been asking for for a while |
| 09:45.19 | destinal | (to be able to get it without getting the doctor) |
| 09:46.34 | destinal | though really we theoretically solved that with novatool and the download a file from remote zip thing, that never really got a production release |
| 09:47.02 | destinal | definitely doesn't hurt to have it be easier |
| 09:48.16 | destinal | (but open source is rather a misnomer here) |
| 09:52.00 | hangfire | yep, thanks |
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| 15:45.28 | dwc- | anyone had any issues with the nightly/on-boot backup service sucking up all the memory and killing the phone? (webos 2.1.0) |
| 15:46.32 | dwc- | strace reports (at least the stuff it's sending to stderr, which appears to be going ... ???) it's doing a bunch of deletes on the palm backup servers |
| 15:46.41 | dwc- | but it looks like it's leaking connections or memory or something |
| 15:47.54 | dwc- | (this is service.backup.js) |
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| 15:56.01 | summatusmentis | is it possible that's the stuff around some security something or other happening in the palm backend that might be affecting devices not running the proper version of the software? |
| 15:56.40 | summatusmentis | I also had an issue recently where the phone would lock-up at night/after a while and shutdown, I never traced it that far, and just re-doctored |
| 16:11.16 | dwc- | well, this happened occasionally before that change was made |
| 16:11.34 | summatusmentis | hrm |
| 16:11.35 | dwc- | this is also a developer pre2, so it is running the proper software |
| 16:11.41 | summatusmentis | oh, duly noted |
| 16:12.09 | dwc- | yea, my phone dies fairly promptly at 0030 every night now :\ |
| 16:18.32 | dwc- | based on irc logs, aug 1, and every day aug 4th through now that my phone was on irc, it's died |
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| 16:47.34 | hamez | I'd like to update the patches for different arrangements of icons in the app launcher for 2.x, but it appears as though the parts of the app launcher that would need to be modified are now buried in LunaSysMgr |
| 16:47.39 | hamez | any thoughts? |
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| 16:48.36 | dwc- | I think you're right |
| 16:50.21 | hamez | and hpalm is not likely to open source LunaSysMgr, right? |
| 16:52.07 | hamez | I figured there was a good reason it hadn't been done already :) |
| 16:56.28 | dwc- | I wouldn't hold my breath |
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| 18:18.53 | Xc1uSiv3 | Who's the mod here? |
| 18:30.44 | PatrickC | Ok.. |
| 18:33.05 | uNiXpSyChO | troll? |
| 18:33.31 | PatrickC | Probably |
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| 18:33.52 | PatrickC | Who is the official mod here? Rod? |
| 18:35.38 | uNiXpSyChO | webos-internals crew... but Rod is the enforcer. I use my mod privs like a nuke, keep it locked away. |
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| 18:43.22 | PuffTheMagic | everyone with voice has ops |
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| 19:31.08 | snood | hi. I installed Bantu Christ but apt-get does not exist |
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| 19:58.28 | antidose | Hi, i have some questions regarding the PalmPDK and setup a cross compiler environment that is using the PalmPDK |
| 19:58.47 | antidose | but lets start at the beginning |
| 20:00.56 | antidose | 1. is there a difference between the WebOS Internals PDK and the PalmPDK from https://developer.palm.com/content/resources/develop/sdk_pdk_download.html#linux ? |
| 20:01.49 | antidose | 2. and if yes, where are the differences? |
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| 20:17.50 | amistak | Hi guys! I was wondering if you guys could help me work through something. |
| 20:18.37 | amistak | I just got a Touchpad and reactivated my frankenpre plus on sprint. I can make calls but it won't connect to the data network. any ideas_ |
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| 23:22.35 | k\2 | i assum rwhitby == rob rwhitby.. |
| 23:22.47 | Tibfib_ | k\2: rod |
| 23:24.05 | k\2 | excuse me, anyhow rod, did your optware-bootstrap for android devices succeed on most devices you've tested.. |
| 23:25.45 | rwhitby-pre | android devices? |
| 23:26.24 | k\2 | yes, the phone... |
| 23:26.54 | rwhitby-pre | has done no android optware bootstrap |
| 23:27.02 | k\2 | well i'm testing out the info over on nookdevs, but... |
| 23:27.11 | oil | remembers someone doing it, but doesnt remember who |
| 23:27.15 | rwhitby-pre | ah, nook stuff |
| 23:27.24 | rwhitby-pre | talk to destinal and ka6sox |
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| 23:27.37 | leonkehoe | Hey |
| 23:27.43 | k\2 | sweet, i'll hang out for a bit then, thanks alot |
| 23:28.04 | leonkehoe | I've just installed webOS 2.1 on my Palm Pre Plus and ran into a problem, well, it's not a problem as such just an oddity. |
| 23:28.42 | k\2 | rwhitby-pre! really, i thought your site from back in 2007 even had comparisons (battle of the os) between droid/webos |
| 23:29.26 | rwhitby-pre | I don't have any rooted android devices. |
| 23:29.43 | leonkehoe | It says that if my apps fail to download and my Palm Profile is named Dr. Skipped Firstuse I should delete my Palm Profile info and Doctor again... |
| 23:29.45 | k\2 | ooo, sryz.. |
| 23:30.03 | leonkehoe | Well, my Palm Profile IS named Dr. Skipped Firstuse in Accounts, but my apps DIDN'T fail to download. |
| 23:30.19 | rwhitby-pre | you sure it says to doctor again? |
| 23:30.37 | rwhitby-pre | or just erase apps and data and login again? |
| 23:30.45 | leonkehoe | "This step is extremely important if you find that after finishing the webOS 2.1 installation your saved apps don't download to your device automatically and your Palm Profile account name under Accounts is "Dr. Skipped Firstuse". You should delete your profile info and Doctor again." |
| 23:31.25 | rwhitby-pre | that's not neccessary in most cases |
| 23:31.40 | leonkehoe | To delete my profile info I go into the Backup app and disable Backups, right? But is it necessary, considering my apps DID download, it's just my profile that's named Dr. Skipped Firstuse? |
| 23:33.03 | rwhitby-pre | erase apps and data and go through first use again |
| 23:33.17 | rwhitby-pre | if that works, update the wiki to reflect that |
| 23:33.50 | leonkehoe | I'm impatient, I'm already 64% through re-doctoring it. I came on here to find out what to do if once done I find myself in the same situation. |
| 23:33.53 | leonkehoe | :-) |
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| 23:34.22 | leonkehoe | If it happens again, I will try what you've suggested rwhitby-pre. |
| 23:35.06 | leonkehoe | Thanks - for everything. |
| 23:35.59 | leonkehoe | I suppose you'll be first in line once the Pre3 is released rwhitby? |
| 23:36.30 | leonkehoe | That said, it's likely you'll want a separate device for development. I'm sure the community will oblige. |
| 23:37.38 | rwhitby | I have two on order |
| 23:37.54 | leonkehoe | Question for you, you've dug around in webOS 3.0, right? |
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| 23:40.29 | leonkehoe | rwhitby? |
| 23:42.34 | leonkehoe | Tell me this, did they REALLY build it from the ground up? Because I'd have thought if they did, they'd have addressed one of its major issues - performance. I can't believe how slow it is on a 1.2GHz dual-core processor, it should be instantly loading apps and have buttery smooth interface animations. From what I've seen, webOS 2.2 on the HP Pre3 has far better performance. |
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| 23:56.03 | leonkehoe | Well, that re-doctoring it worked, so I'm unable to test out your fix rwhitby. Sorry about that. |
| 23:56.17 | leonkehoe | I'm off to bed now, being in the UK it's very late here. |
| 23:56.35 | leonkehoe | Night, it's been... engaging. There's very little I enjoy more than talking to myself. |
| 23:56.45 | rwhitby | no worries |
| 23:57.06 | rwhitby | big change in 3.0 was move to node.js for background services and enyo for UI |
| 23:57.30 | leonkehoe | Right and do you agree that performance is still lacklustre? |
| 23:57.54 | rwhitby | it's all relative |
| 23:58.15 | leonkehoe | Of course, and when your device is relatively slow compared to what else is on the market that's problematic. |
| 23:58.40 | leonkehoe | I expected to see a significant performance boost with webOS 3.0 running on a dual-core processor but it just isn't there. |
| 23:59.12 | leonkehoe | I'm disappointed. And I don't think any OTA is going to fix it any time soon, if ever. |
| 23:59.19 | rwhitby | I presume you've turned off all the logging and applied the other performance patches |
| 23:59.37 | leonkehoe | Shouldn't have to rwhitby, shouldn't have to. |
| 23:59.42 | leonkehoe | G'night. |