00:05.01 | rwhitby | millertech: For the Pre 2, F104A is more "mature" than UK, since it's been in the testing feed longer with less issues. |
00:05.48 | uNiXpSyChO | but UK doesnt have all the "tainted blood" of F104A |
00:05.58 | uNiXpSyChO | :-) |
00:06.15 | rwhitby | uNiXpSyChO: is it possible that SR is just broken on Pre 2 ? |
00:06.53 | uNiXpSyChO | funny thing is when i first started with SR it worked good, it just didnt work good for 1.2GHz. |
00:07.26 | uNiXpSyChO | that might be the problem since some Pre2 work and some dont. |
00:08.20 | rwhitby | uNiXpSyChO: so an F104A which is not overclocked would have different actual voltages from stock due to SR being disabled? |
00:10.01 | uNiXpSyChO | yes, F104 has diff voltages. SR might be forcing that OPP5 level to what i has in it's efuse and ignoring the vdd table set for it. |
00:10.27 | uNiXpSyChO | but of course F104 doesnt use SR, it uses VSEL |
00:13.13 | rwhitby | so I guess UK on Pre 2 will need to use VSEL instead of SR, since it seems 1.1+SR is not stable. |
00:13.58 | uNiXpSyChO | or you can just put SR in transparent mode insteead of forced update. |
00:14.27 | rwhitby | unfortunately, that's way above my skill level :) |
00:14.50 | uNiXpSyChO | it's just one CONFIG change... let me find it |
00:15.25 | millertech | Let me know if you want me to test this. I have already ran the doctor like 5 times |
00:15.58 | rwhitby | millertech: webos 2.1.0, right? |
00:16.00 | oil | whats one more time? |
00:16.01 | millertech | yes |
00:16.01 | oil | heh |
00:16.16 | uNiXpSyChO | set CONFIG_OMAP_VOLT_SR_BYPASS and unset OMAP_VOLT_SR_FORCEUPDATE |
00:16.41 | rwhitby | so UK as-is 1.1 with that change, or are you saying F104A with that change? |
00:16.59 | millertech | I have been using the stock WR 2.1.0 doctor since my original meta |
00:17.08 | uNiXpSyChO | UK with that change will disable SR from whacking voltages |
00:17.27 | rwhitby | uNiXpSyChO: so likely a battery hog? |
00:17.52 | uNiXpSyChO | somewhat. no voltage scaling at all. |
00:18.41 | rwhitby | so I guess we have UK and F104A in stable feed and let people choose. |
00:19.40 | uNiXpSyChO | ok |
00:20.22 | rwhitby | uNiXpSyChO: have you had any reports of issues with F104A ? |
00:20.57 | rwhitby | cause the alternative is just to release that as the UberKernel for Pre 2. |
00:21.45 | millertech | my wife's pre2 is running the current UK and working fine. |
00:21.56 | uNiXpSyChO | none. that thread has been quiet. except for a package munch which happened at some point thinking it had compcache external modules. dont know how that happened when i havent built that in a while. |
00:22.23 | rwhitby | uNiXpSyChO: there was an issue on the build server at one point |
00:22.32 | uNiXpSyChO | ah |
00:22.34 | rwhitby | but I'm pretty sure they are all rebuilt correctly now |
00:22.44 | rwhitby | millertech: any difference between the two devices? |
00:23.12 | millertech | none. both were att unlocked pre2's transfered to sprint |
00:23.35 | millertech | although i am on my second pre2, (third total device) |
00:23.49 | uNiXpSyChO | how can that be? |
00:24.18 | millertech | first had busted screen and i ran all the kernels for fun before i swapped the comm out |
00:24.30 | uNiXpSyChO | GSM to a CDMA network? |
00:24.35 | millertech | cdma |
00:24.54 | millertech | comm boards and antennas from original pre- |
00:24.58 | uNiXpSyChO | ohhhhh |
00:25.19 | rwhitby | I wonder if there is a voltage supply issue on the comms board on one of the devices |
00:25.52 | millertech | how could i test that? |
00:26.13 | millertech | the boards are getting close to two years old now |
00:26.43 | rwhitby | millertech: does it fail if you remove the govnah profile and reboot? |
00:27.10 | millertech | I can only get it to boot by mem booting |
00:27.18 | millertech | once i install UK it doesnt come back up |
00:27.31 | millertech | i just re-doctored to get my real profile back |
00:27.46 | millertech | i can try whatever you want me to |
00:27.49 | rwhitby | and there is no /var/palm/event.d/org.webosinternals.govnah-settings file (or govnah-related file in /etc/event.d) ? |
00:28.02 | millertech | ill look |
00:28.11 | rwhitby | hit Disable Profile in the profiles screen in govnah to remove the profile |
00:28.39 | millertech | after membooting with UK installed? |
00:29.24 | rwhitby | install palm recovery kernel, disable profile, reboot, check govnah is showing palm default, do not select any profile, install uberkernel |
00:29.30 | rwhitby | it should then boot at stock speeds and voltages |
00:29.44 | rwhitby | if that fails to boot then there is something else going on |
00:31.47 | millertech | i just ran dr so there is no govnah file in var/palm/event.d |
00:31.57 | millertech | ill get there and test it out |
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00:46.39 | rwhitby | thanks. if UK doesn't boot with no govnah profile, there is a big problem. |
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00:47.15 | millertech | i have tons of app and its taking forever to re-download them all |
00:48.22 | millertech | ill let you know the result. I am taking off from work soon. Ill hit you up on twitter with the results |
00:48.57 | rwhitby | millertech: check /msg for email addr too |
00:49.58 | kevets | is it possible to not have mode switcher pop up the 'switch mode' options when there is a startup timer? |
00:50.41 | kevets | I have something I want to kick in 30 sec after locking the phone but dont really need the buttons to pop up |
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01:06.27 | poppeye | hallo |
01:08.13 | PatrickC | hey |
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01:19.57 | PatrickC | oil: does egautguy hang out here much? |
01:20.33 | PatrickC | egaudets* |
01:27.02 | PuffTheMagic | he used to |
01:27.07 | PuffTheMagic | then got a job/new job |
01:27.42 | PatrickC | ah |
01:27.50 | PatrickC | I had a question about his vkb patch |
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01:31.00 | PatrickC | PuffTheMagic: what did it say when I "disconnected"? |
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01:37.15 | PuffTheMagic | <PROTECTED> |
01:38.54 | PatrickC | huh.. wirc disconnected me |
01:39.08 | PatrickC | but it said I was connected |
01:39.19 | PatrickC | but it wouldn't let me disconnect/send something |
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01:53.27 | PuffTheMagic | PatrickC, is this on your crazy pre2 w/enyo device? |
01:54.11 | PatrickC | pre2 has enyo, yes. but that doesn't effect wirc |
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01:55.38 | NuttyBunny | loves how PuffTheMagic gets mad at PatrickC for reporting "bugs" in his apps when ran in a Pre2 with enyo :D |
01:55.54 | m3rb | hello? newbie here... |
01:56.03 | NuttyBunny | hello m3rb |
01:56.11 | m3rb | hey |
01:56.18 | m3rb | messing with Touchpad |
01:56.31 | m3rb | did the "homebrew app" and installed preware |
01:56.42 | m3rb | then bash/optware |
01:56.52 | m3rb | but it doesn't show up anywhere as an app |
01:57.03 | flare576 | PuffTheMagic: Are you accepting suggestions for Tide? if so: drawer-based file browser on the left :) if not.... I was never here |
01:57.17 | PuffTheMagic | NuttyBunny, not mad, but his shit is broken all the time, so i dont quite trust his bug reports ;) |
01:57.19 | PuffTheMagic | flare576, sure |
01:57.33 | PuffTheMagic | oh u said it already |
01:57.35 | PuffTheMagic | on the left |
01:57.39 | flare576 | :) |
01:57.41 | PuffTheMagic | >? |
01:57.45 | flare576 | Eclipse style |
01:57.50 | flare576 | well, eclipse default |
01:57.51 | PuffTheMagic | file browser or list of open files? |
01:58.04 | PuffTheMagic | ya i plan on adding multiple file support |
01:58.07 | PuffTheMagic | and a sense of projects |
01:58.11 | PuffTheMagic | which will be on the left |
01:58.13 | flare576 | most of the tools I use list open files @ top |
01:58.43 | PuffTheMagic | flare576, touchpad isnt really setup to do a list at the top of open files |
01:58.47 | flare576 | Tide + SVN would basically mean I can work on the touchpad |
01:58.51 | NuttyBunny | PuffTheMagic: yep, I know, I don't trust enyo on Pre2 either, I had to edit files around just to be able to test some things, and it won't run everything, but.. that's what some of us have :) |
01:59.19 | flare576 | PuffTheMagic: yeah, even the web browser can't do 'tabs' :( |
01:59.31 | PuffTheMagic | is could do vertical tabs |
01:59.33 | PuffTheMagic | aka, a list |
01:59.55 | flare576 | I love that my 2 month old kid falls asleep to classic rock or Irish drinking music. |
02:00.19 | flare576 | well... file browser on left with an indicator of open file might work |
02:00.19 | PuffTheMagic | flare576, you could install svn via optware |
02:01.00 | PuffTheMagic | i havent really decided how i am going to organize projects and files |
02:01.14 | ka6sox | flare576, that will change...will get a taste soon enough. |
02:01.14 | PuffTheMagic | maybe 3 layers of sliding panes |
02:01.18 | PuffTheMagic | top pane is the editor |
02:01.21 | flare576 | after m3rb mentioned bash, I realized I've been forgetting about software :) |
02:01.29 | PuffTheMagic | the one below that is files for a given project |
02:01.30 | flare576 | s/software/optware/ |
02:01.33 | PuffTheMagic | and the bottom one is projects |
02:01.49 | ka6sox | optware G00d |
02:02.12 | flare576 | ka6sox: the kid or the software will change? :) |
02:02.18 | ka6sox | the kid |
02:02.26 | m3rb | could someone clue me in as to how to actually start bash on the tp now that it is "installed"? |
02:02.32 | flare576 | yeah, I know; let me enjoy it while it lasts, won't you? |
02:02.58 | flare576 | m3rb: it's not really something you 'run' you have to get terminal or xecutah |
02:03.53 | m3rb | ok thanks. I saw something about terminal not working >webos 2.0 and deleted from preware? |
02:04.19 | flare576 | actually, I'm also dumb... apparently typing "bash" isn't how you switch shells.... |
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02:04.50 | flare576 | m3rb: you should see xecutah and xwindows and xterm |
02:04.55 | flare576 | install those guys |
02:05.30 | flare576 | Just got my BT keyboard.... wtb "ctrl+_" support :/ |
02:05.42 | kevets | is there a tab button or anything for xterm? |
02:05.56 | ka6sox | kevets, not yet...but RSN. |
02:06.02 | flare576 | kevets: that's what I'm hoping to get from bash.... |
02:06.19 | flare576 | oh, thanks ka6sox, saved me some time :) |
02:06.33 | ka6sox | flare576, not there yet |
02:07.09 | flare576 | I'm still trying to figure out how to customize xecutah to do my bidding... I've never really looked inside of a webOS app before, taking some time to figure out how the pieces play together. |
02:07.25 | ka6sox | flare576, no kidding |
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02:07.45 | flare576 | it's a friggen blast, though |
02:11.43 | flare576 | hey, PuffTheMagic, one other feature: start file browser in directory of currently open app. That would be very useful in the interim |
02:11.43 | m3rb | not finding xterm, xecutah, xwindows via preware on the tp. Do they have to be had via webos quick installer on the host? |
02:12.44 | scoutcamper | m3rb, they are in th testing feeds of preware |
02:13.33 | PuffTheMagic | flare576, how do u suppose that would work, tide would be the currently open app |
02:13.59 | flare576 | errr... s/app/file/ |
02:14.25 | PuffTheMagic | it should open in the dir of the last opened file |
02:14.54 | flare576 | I'm running most recent, and it always starts at /media/internal |
02:15.26 | ka6sox | -22? |
02:15.33 | PuffTheMagic | between starts of the app you want it to remember the last opened file? |
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02:16.26 | flare576 | nope. While I have Tide open, I open a file in /media/cryptofs/.... and the next time I open a file it starts in /media/internal agin |
02:17.01 | PuffTheMagic | it shoudlnt be doing that |
02:17.11 | PuffTheMagic | i think i know why though |
02:17.21 | flare576 | lemme restart and give it another shot |
02:17.38 | PuffTheMagic | no i prob broke this when i added the option to change the default dir |
02:18.58 | flare576 | ah! |
02:20.45 | flare576 | confirmed, though; fresh launch sees it happening. |
02:24.39 | PuffTheMagic | flare576, will you test a new version? |
02:25.16 | kevets | ka6sox what did you mean by RSN? |
02:25.53 | scoutcamper | ~rsn |
02:25.54 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, rsn is Real Soon Now |
02:26.09 | ka6sox | which means NOTHING in computer time. |
02:26.15 | ka6sox | could be tommorrow or 6months :( |
02:27.42 | rwhitby | flare576: put an xecutah.sh file in the top-level of the app, and then add the appid to the whitelist in Xecutah source |
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02:36.32 | kevets | lol I see |
02:48.40 | PuffTheMagic | flare576, ping |
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02:59.55 | PatrickC | rwhitby: I'm interested in UK for the pre2 |
03:00.01 | PatrickC | didn't know we had obligations |
03:02.57 | rwhitby | PatrickC: so you've never read the Testing_Feeds wiki page? |
03:03.12 | rwhitby | that alone disqualifies you |
03:03.13 | PatrickC | I did a long time ago |
03:03.19 | PatrickC | its been a while |
03:03.27 | PatrickC | should I read it regularly? |
03:03.48 | rwhitby | it hasn't changed. you should, however, act on what you have agreed to. |
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03:04.04 | PatrickC | I'll refresh my memory then |
03:05.41 | PuffTheMagic | tide v0.0.23 pushed |
03:07.08 | PatrickC | rwhitby: never noticed the part about the forums. sorry |
03:07.13 | PatrickC | report there? |
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03:28.57 | millertech_ | did the pre2 UK get taken out of the feeds? |
03:29.21 | rwhitby | yes, see @webosinternals tweets |
03:29.32 | PatrickC | rwhitby: I re-read the wiki |
03:29.38 | rwhitby | millertech_: (was not referring to you in the tweets) |
03:29.46 | PatrickC | I must have missed the forum part last time |
03:29.47 | PatrickC | sorry |
03:29.55 | millertech_ | opens spas hd |
03:30.19 | millertech_ | adds spaz to auto correct |
03:34.14 | millertech_ | wirc on tp is really nice |
03:35.03 | rwhitby | rwatkins: ah, I remember now. uninstalling the patch will delete the patches files completely |
03:35.14 | rwhitby | so people will be left with a broken app catalog. |
03:35.24 | rwhitby | fatal flaw in using AUPT scripts for third party apps |
03:35.38 | rwhitby | (since they were only designed for rootfs patches) |
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04:00.37 | flare576 | Puffy_tp: I'm back, but it looks like you may not need me (see Tide out there) |
04:01.09 | Puffy_tp | you co7ld still try itl |
04:01.41 | scoutcamper | high 5's Puffy_tp on Tide being awesome! |
04:02.03 | Puffy_tp | im glad people are liking it |
04:03.07 | flare576 | bug be fixed! |
04:03.18 | flare576 | dumb question, what's that horizontal line for? |
04:03.36 | Puffy_tp | print margin |
04:03.45 | Puffy_tp | common in most editors |
04:04.02 | flare576 | ah, I figured it was some sort of margin |
04:04.02 | Puffy_tp | good style is to nit have lines go longer than it |
04:04.18 | flare576 | hah, don't look at any of my code then |
04:05.02 | flare576 | 24" monitor running 1080p and I'll still have to scroll left right sometimes :) |
04:06.01 | bnceo | yo, wut up |
04:06.09 | flare576 | wonder if HP will bring in a alt-tab type of thing with that card button |
04:06.23 | bnceo | does anyone know how to get out a stripped T5 screw? |
04:06.34 | bnceo | cause apparently, the screws palm uses are horrible |
04:08.30 | ka6sox | flare576, the WORLD wants to know that... |
04:08.36 | ka6sox | I mean...they went 1/2 way :P |
04:11.30 | flare576 | they really did |
04:12.15 | flare576 | bnceo: if you can get to the surface of the screw, I've always been a fan of dremmeling the screw into a flat-driver :) |
04:13.16 | flare576 | if you can't get to the surface... a very small flat head might be able to be wedged in there, but the screws a lost cause either way :( |
04:13.51 | flare576 | ka6sox: they could have at least made the arrow keys do something in card view :( |
04:14.06 | ka6sox | yup |
04:14.12 | ka6sox | but...they didn't |
04:14.17 | ka6sox | so we have what we have. |
04:14.50 | flare576 | wonder... if that's patchable... capture the arrow key and turn it into a left/right swipe action.... |
04:14.54 | bnceo | no dremel |
04:15.07 | bnceo | bah. I wanted to do my gf's frankenpre tonight! |
04:16.55 | flare576 | you must have really done a number on the screw :/ |
04:16.59 | ka6sox | flare576, interesting. |
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04:21.45 | flare576 | ka6sox, in case this'll save me some time: is it possible right now to launch the xserver without space for the onscreen keyboard? |
04:22.47 | dtzWill | flare576: nope :) |
04:23.36 | flare576 | ok dokey; I'll keep poking around the code for more knowledge, but that'll save me some sanity later :) |
04:24.08 | dtzWill | flare576: i haven't read backlog, just get pinged on xserver ;). if you end up diving into the code much lmk and i'll help as i can :). |
04:25.16 | ka6sox | flare576, yes, if you have a BT keyboard hooked up. |
04:25.19 | ka6sox | :D |
04:25.21 | flare576 | no backlog to read on this one, and thanks! I'm just getting back into the dev stuff... well, "back in" isn't quite right, all I've done in the past is hijack the 5x4 icons patch and fix a spacing issue :) |
04:25.30 | flare576 | I do have a BT keyboard hooked up |
04:25.34 | flare576 | still reserves the space |
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04:26.18 | ka6sox | what app? |
04:26.21 | flare576 | if it's in a config/launch/etc file somewhere, don't tell me just yet, just knowing its possible is enough :) |
04:26.26 | flare576 | xserver itself |
04:26.30 | ka6sox | oh. |
04:26.37 | ka6sox | I don't muckwiht that. |
04:26.44 | ka6sox | not direclty anyways. |
04:26.49 | flare576 | hmm, ok |
04:26.58 | ka6sox | I call it, and assign it a display # |
04:27.01 | ka6sox | but thats it. |
04:27.19 | flare576 | hmm, I don't know how to do that... I've got learning to do :) |
04:27.35 | ka6sox | I need to figure out how to get xecutah to keep track of multiple xservers and assign apps to them. |
04:28.43 | flare576 | <PROTECTED> |
04:30.38 | dwc- | those aren't X displays, those are just virtual consoles |
04:30.41 | Robi_ | is the 2.2 emu out ? |
04:31.16 | ka6sox | dwc-, I have multiple servers running |
04:31.19 | PatrickC | Robi_: not publicly. but I can't say if its out at all |
04:31.35 | dwc- | ka6sox: I gathered that. I meant flare |
04:32.10 | dwc- | runs his desktops often with multiple X displays |
04:33.45 | flare576 | hmm, more learning to do ;) |
04:34.07 | dwc- | the 6 displays you're talking about are often run out of init (see /etc/inittab) |
04:34.37 | flare576 | I installed my first linux yesterday in a VM... work laptop couldn't work and desktop machine lost its RAID array every time I tried doing it for real. |
04:34.37 | dwc- | the 7th virtual console (virtual tty, etc) is often used for X though, as you say |
04:36.39 | flare576 | aw crap.... what's esc in xterm... |
04:37.06 | Robi_ | PatrickC: ah, looking to fully pair with my TouchPad ;] |
04:37.13 | Robi_ | is Skype the only app that uses the TocuhPad camera? |
04:37.43 | dtzWill | flare576: err don't tell you what now? :) |
04:37.54 | dtzWill | Robi_: nope, the 'Camear' app does now as well :) |
04:38.39 | PatrickC | ^ |
04:38.40 | flare576 | dtzWill, I started a vi run and went into insert before learning how to back out :( lol |
04:38.44 | dwc- | esc? the escape key? |
04:39.01 | flare576 | does not see escape on TP keypad |
04:39.11 | dwc- | ohhh |
04:39.21 | dwc- | sorry, dunno. no touchpad here |
04:39.23 | Robi_ | dtzWill: hm didnt see that one, appcat? |
04:40.17 | dtzWill | Robi_: think so, saw misc articles on it from the usual sources in the last few days |
04:40.45 | Robi_ | i find nothing matching |
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04:41.52 | Robi_ | oh I see .99c |
04:42.58 | Robi_ | heh seeing 2 procs in govnah is awesome |
04:43.01 | Robi_ | 1 is almost unused |
04:43.49 | flare576 | I like the fact that you guys made an exhibition mode for govnah :) |
04:44.06 | dtzWill | Robi_: I have not used the camera app, and am not necc endorsing it, but just thought i'd asnwer your question :) |
04:44.09 | Puffy_tp | i want my 50 dollar credit from HP |
04:44.40 | Robi_ | dtzWill: np , ven though you mispelled it |
04:44.55 | Robi_ | in quotes |
04:45.04 | Robi_ | ;] |
04:45.39 | flare576 | Robi_, are you downloading it? |
04:45.42 | Robi_ | doctor doctor gime the news ... I wanna twooooo ooohpoint twoooo |
04:46.09 | dtzWill | Robi_: lolol whoops sorry :) |
04:46.10 | Robi_ | flare576: no, enjoying turntable instead |
04:46.22 | dtzWill | flare576: ah, yeah. no esc key atm. |
04:46.23 | rrix | hmm, is there something wrong with my binaries, or does webOS strip out debugging info? I can't do `info locals` in an attached gdb :\ |
04:46.39 | rrix | er, s/webos/widk's gcc/ |
04:46.56 | Robi_ | I do miss typing space twice for a '.' at the end of sentances |
04:47.01 | ka6sox | rrix, ask that question again in 30minutes |
04:47.05 | dtzWill | i loooveee my veeerrrr :D |
04:47.10 | flare576 | dtzWill, ouch.... no more vi for Flare lol |
04:47.10 | dtzWill | ..just thought you should know. |
04:47.46 | Robi_ | loooove the 299 touchpad |
04:47.50 | rrix | ka6sox: You mean for when rod wakes up, I take it? |
04:48.02 | dtzWill | actually, if the bt keyboard sends 'esc' that shoouulldd go through, i think. |
04:48.05 | dtzWill | haven't tested that lately. |
04:48.18 | halfhalo | orly |
04:48.25 | flare576 | just need a bt keyboard with etc then.. |
04:48.43 | dtzWill | although i might be talking about the version of xserver i have that i need to push |
04:48.45 | Robi_ | <PROTECTED> |
04:48.47 | dtzWill | silly packaging snafu, sigh |
04:49.09 | dtzWill | don't mean to suggest features exist that don't... |
04:49.33 | halfhalo | was under the impression that lunasysmgr goes omnomnom to esc for the stupid notification thing. |
04:49.44 | flare576 | flippin 'a, this keyboard makes it way too easy to lose time in here (on screen makes it seem like forever to get a message out) |
04:50.54 | flare576 | night all. keep on kicking arse :) |
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04:52.12 | dtzWill | halfhalo: it would appear you're correct |
04:52.43 | dtzWill | what i meant was "It's possible that if xserver sees SDLK_ESC, it'll do the right thing and send the proper x keyboard event to client X11 apps" |
04:52.54 | dtzWill | but if luna eats it then it won't work, no :) |
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05:46.03 | tmandry | Puffy_tp: your twitter pic looks exactly like an image I remember seeing used for the main page of a website by Mat Buckland long ago.. is that where you got it? :p |
05:46.57 | tmandry | actually, I think it's different. nevermind. |
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14:15.39 | kill_dano | Trying to open a program called celtx on xserver with LXDE and I get a lame error any advice? Here's the error |
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14:21.33 | kill_dano | https://www.box.net/shared/fvo0ol0ytazhsdj0t58s |
14:24.43 | Muhb | quick question, what kind of material is on the com board of the pre and pre+? some kind of magnetic shielding? it looks too specific to be of no importance, and I just tore it in half... |
14:24.53 | kill_dano | Xserver now only opens with the lower sction of the screen unused... how do I launch xserver in fullscreen? |
14:25.37 | Muhb | it looks like thick and gray (almost shiny) sticky tape... |
14:26.41 | kill_dano | why did you break it? |
14:27.00 | Muhb | it was an accident |
14:27.06 | Muhb | I tried to get it all off, but it was too sticky |
14:27.11 | Muhb | half of it decided to stick to the com board |
14:27.15 | Muhb | the other half came with me |
14:27.17 | Muhb | lol |
14:27.59 | kill_dano | OH THAT |
14:28.03 | Muhb | I could just slap it back on the way it is, but it wouldn't be sticky anymore |
14:28.10 | Muhb | but at least it would be there |
14:28.12 | kill_dano | UM I think it's just to hold stuff in place |
14:28.39 | kill_dano | I messe dmine up a bit and the backlighting ont he kb became uneven |
14:28.42 | kill_dano | and that was abou it |
14:28.50 | Muhb | hmm |
14:29.43 | kill_dano | making a pre + for sprint? |
14:31.37 | Muhb | yup |
14:31.48 | Muhb | third time swapping boards |
14:32.39 | Muhb | swapped them a while back, but then sprint refused to activate the phone without adding data to my plan, so I swapped them back and continued using t-mobile for a bit |
14:33.13 | Muhb | now I'm contemplating messing with the ESN if I can figure out what the MSL is |
14:35.41 | Muhb | still doing research on the legality of it though, it's annoyingly murky |
14:37.44 | Muhb | from what I understand so far, changing the ESN in and of itself may or may not be legal, depending on the reason for the change (it used to be completely illegal but the FCC's stance on that changed sometime around 2001-2003 due to difficulties caused to hardware manufacturers and distributors) |
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14:40.45 | Muhb | i.e. if the change is in an effort to avoid paying a lawful fee for a service rendered, or to steal someone else's service, or to hide two lines under one plan, then it's fraud |
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15:25.36 | milkncookies | Hey guys Im trying to debug the synergy plugins can someone tell me how to run the command C:\Program Files\Palm, Inc\novacom.exe" -t open tty://, on a mac? |
15:25.48 | milkncookies | or the equivalent command |
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15:31.39 | joem_ | i have three app catalog $50 credits on my account... could this be because i've had to return touchpad twice? |
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16:00.57 | Loudergood_ | joem_: bonus! |
16:01.14 | Loudergood_ | they probably think you bought 3 touchpads |
16:01.44 | joem_ | could bei do show 3 devices on my options |
16:02.23 | Loudergood_ | milkncookies: you just need to find out where the sdk installer puts novacom on the mac |
16:02.55 | halfhalo-work | has his in /usr/local/bin/novacom on his mac |
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16:16.58 | joem_ | used bonus doll hairs and bought the preware homebrew doc |
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16:35.04 | summatusmentis | rwhitby: have there been any reports of uberkernel on pre- being angry recently? |
16:35.24 | summatusmentis | _something_ changed on my phone that's making it lag like nothing else, and not come back from sleep |
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16:54.09 | Muhb | SPC/MSL acquired! :D |
16:54.13 | Muhb | I love it when things just work out. |
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20:23.42 | newbie | hi |
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20:24.10 | Guest74660 | help me...!!! |
20:24.16 | PatrickC | ok.. what? |
20:24.20 | Guest74660 | error ipkg |
20:24.52 | PatrickC | what did you do? |
20:25.01 | PatrickC | what are you trying to install? what device? |
20:25.35 | Guest74660 | that the flashlight for the camera install gives me error log ipkg |
20:25.51 | PatrickC | paste the log please |
20:25.58 | PatrickC | we can't help if we don't see the error |
20:26.00 | scoutcamper | Guest74660, device and os? |
20:26.55 | Guest74660 | I can do with that is that the update does not uninstall the patch |
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20:27.23 | Tibfib | Guest74660: can you please clarify what you are saying? |
20:27.24 | Guest74660 | ok |
20:27.29 | Guest74660 | wait... |
20:27.40 | PatrickC | Guest74660: what device/os? |
20:27.50 | Guest74660 | WEB OS 1.4.5 |
20:28.06 | scoutcamper | Guest74660, pre or pixi? + or -? |
20:28.09 | PatrickC | pre/+/pidi? |
20:28.10 | Guest74660 | pre |
20:28.10 | PatrickC | pixi* |
20:28.16 | Guest74660 | pre |
20:28.22 | scoutcamper | Guest74660, Pre+ or Pre-? |
20:28.35 | Guest74660 | palm pre |
20:28.44 | PatrickC | so - probably |
20:28.49 | Guest74660 | - |
20:28.51 | PatrickC | is there a little button on the bottom? |
20:28.52 | PatrickC | ok |
20:28.58 | Tibfib | lol |
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20:29.19 | PatrickC | thinks about the pic of the Pixi with the button.. haha |
20:30.05 | Guest74660 | is pre- |
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20:30.27 | Guest74660 | I do not speak English I'm from mexic |
20:31.02 | Guest74660 | Error installing: See IPKG Log |
20:31.14 | Tibfib | What does it say below that? |
20:31.20 | Tibfib | err. Sorry |
20:31.33 | Tibfib | Tap the button at the very top left of the screen |
20:32.14 | Guest74660 | ok |
20:32.23 | Tibfib | Then tap on "IPKG log" |
20:32.39 | Guest74660 | give me your mail to send it |
20:32.46 | Tibfib | copy and paste it |
20:32.49 | Tibfib | to pastebin.com |
20:34.14 | Guest74660 | pastebin.com so only if so already send |
20:34.58 | scoutcamper | Guest74660, please clarify the question? |
20:35.20 | Guest74660 | thanks |
20:36.00 | Guest74660 | I have an error when trying to install a patch on the video camera flash light |
20:37.00 | Guest74660 | ipkg I get error log is that you see that updates do not uninstall the operating system patches |
20:37.08 | summatusmentis | Guest74660: puedes copiar y poner el mensaje del error en pastebin.com, y dar nos el URL? |
20:37.22 | Guest74660 | ok |
20:37.23 | Guest74660 | si |
20:37.33 | Tibfib | puedo hablar un poco de espanol |
20:37.42 | Guest74660 | aah ok |
20:37.43 | Tibfib | es todo ^ |
20:37.43 | Guest74660 | gracias |
20:37.44 | summatusmentis | el mensaje de "IPKG Log", por favor |
20:37.49 | Guest74660 | si |
20:38.14 | summatusmentis | mi espanol no es perfecto, pero puedo tratar |
20:38.19 | Guest74660 | ok |
20:38.34 | PatrickC | es lost |
20:39.02 | oilsworkn | is always in awe of people who are multilingual |
20:39.16 | Tibfib | oilsworkn: estupido |
20:39.25 | Guest74660 | jajajaja |
20:39.28 | summatusmentis | I attended a spanish immersion elementary school, and double majored in CS and Spanish |
20:39.43 | Tibfib | summatusmentis: nice, you're way better at spanish then I am |
20:39.48 | Tibfib | high school spanish FTL |
20:39.49 | summatusmentis | sometimes it comes in useful :) |
20:39.53 | oilsworkn | is only multilingual if you include programming languages xD |
20:40.05 | PatrickC | lol |
20:40.15 | Tibfib | oilsworkn: kind of counts |
20:40.23 | Tibfib | but not really |
20:40.45 | Tibfib | are there any major programming languages not in english? |
20:40.52 | summatusmentis | not that I'm aware of |
20:40.59 | summatusmentis | arguably ASM :) |
20:41.12 | scoutcamper | Tibfib, well, Binary is arguably many langages |
20:41.13 | oilsworkn | has seen non-english comments in code before |
20:41.33 | summatusmentis | indeed, me too |
20:41.36 | Tibfib | heh |
20:41.36 | Guest74660 | and send mail with the error url pastebin.com and wants you to pass |
20:41.46 | ka6sox | summatusmentis, there are some that purport to be english...but have such wierd naming that I wouldn't say that. |
20:41.55 | oilsworkn | all i can do is copy/paste frmo http://git.webos-internals.org/applications/preware/tree/resources/es/strings.json |
20:41.57 | oilsworkn | :) |
20:42.34 | Tibfib | lol |
20:42.42 | summatusmentis | Guest74660: no necesitas mandar lo, es preferible que nos da el URL que cojas despues de decir "submit" |
20:43.06 | oilsworkn | wait, Tibfib is + in #w-i now? |
20:43.08 | ka6sox | also I'm sure there is some hacker language written in chinese. |
20:43.12 | Tibfib | oilsworkn: apparently |
20:43.12 | ka6sox | (or russian) |
20:43.16 | oilsworkn | lol |
20:43.26 | oilsworkn | thats cool |
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20:44.00 | summatusmentis | tampoco necesitas tener una cuenta, puedes usarlo anonimo |
20:44.10 | Tibfib | si si |
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20:44.23 | Guest74660 | haber que URL |
20:44.27 | Guest74660 | de donde lo saco |
20:44.33 | Guest74660 | o donde lo encuentro |
20:44.37 | Guest74660 | ?????? |
20:44.45 | Guest74660 | xD |
20:44.50 | Guest74660 | ¬¬ |
20:45.12 | summatusmentis | despues de escojer "submit", la pagina va a cambiar a una nueva pagina, copia el URL de la nueva pagina |
20:45.15 | Tibfib | Guest74660: tienes un URL de pastebin.com para nosotros? |
20:45.24 | Guest74660 | no |
20:45.26 | Guest74660 | no la tengo |
20:45.41 | Guest74660 | me la puedes proporcionar |
20:45.55 | scoutcamper | es confused |
20:45.56 | Muhb | I just discovered my ISP may be redirecting requests meant for OpenDNS to their own DNS servers. |
20:46.11 | Muhb | Excuse me while I test my theory, and potentially throw a fit over the phone if my theory is correct. |
20:46.17 | summatusmentis | Guest74660: que pasa cuando escojas "submit"? |
20:46.44 | Guest74660 | ok |
20:46.45 | Guest74660 | espera |
20:46.49 | Guest74660 | ya capte |
20:48.16 | Guest74660 | es esta |
20:48.16 | Guest74660 | http://pastebin.com/0NweL2Zq |
20:48.37 | summatusmentis | gracias, perfecto |
20:48.42 | Guest74660 | ahora si me pueden ayudar |
20:48.48 | Guest74660 | ??????? |
20:49.33 | summatusmentis | voy a tratar de transducir lo que los otros dicen, no se que es la problema |
20:49.44 | summatusmentis | Tibfib, scoutcamper, etc. thoughts? |
20:49.46 | Tibfib | no se tampoco |
20:50.43 | Guest74660 | you know what the problem is I do anything to install or uninstall and how or to what? |
20:51.39 | Tibfib | Guest74660: nadie sabe ahora |
20:51.48 | Guest74660 | pufff |
20:52.29 | summatusmentis | Guest74660: parece que algo quebro en el processo de instalar, pero no se como repararlo |
20:52.39 | Tibfib | tienes otros "patches" de camera ? |
20:53.18 | Guest74660 | aaam |
20:53.19 | Guest74660 | no |
20:53.21 | Guest74660 | solo ese |
20:53.30 | Tibfib | :/ |
20:53.32 | Tibfib | no se |
20:53.45 | Guest74660 | trato de instalar el LED MANAGER SERVICE PERO SE QUEDA CORTO DE TIEMPO |
20:53.50 | Tibfib | necesitamos la ayuda de rwhitby |
20:54.04 | Guest74660 | good if no one knows anything or they tell me to pass the URL where I can or who can tell me how to improve my PALM PRE ... or do? throw it away or wave? |
20:54.37 | Tibfib | Guest74660: no puedo comprender su mensaje |
20:54.51 | Tibfib | hmm is su for usted also? or just he/she summatusmentis? |
20:55.20 | Guest74660 | i dt know |
20:55.32 | summatusmentis | Guest74660: si no tienes much tiempo ahora, sugiero que nos trata otra vez mas tarde, como dijo Tibfib, rwhitby nos puede ayudar, pero no esta ahora |
20:55.45 | Guest74660 | ok |
20:55.56 | Guest74660 | les encargo el problema y luego regreso ok |
20:56.03 | Guest74660 | thanks |
20:56.05 | Guest74660 | bye bye |
20:56.11 | summatusmentis | o, debo decir, as posible que rwhitby nos puede ayudar |
20:56.11 | Tibfib | adios |
20:56.23 | summatusmentis | Guest74660: mantiene este pastebin URL |
20:56.29 | summatusmentis | crap |
20:56.36 | Tibfib | haha. |
20:56.44 | summatusmentis | he might think we're gonna talk to rwhitby and have an answer for him when he comes back |
20:56.45 | Tibfib | I haven't used spanish since may |
20:57.14 | Tibfib | summatusmentis: whoops. |
20:57.55 | summatusmentis | Tibfib: sorry, what were you asking me? |
20:58.08 | Tibfib | nevermind, google it |
20:58.15 | Tibfib | s/google/googled/ |
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22:17.06 | RavenII | Is there a way to restore just a kernel...for when you flash SR71 and it doesn't boot.... |
22:17.30 | RavenII | I know there's that memboot...but does that allow you to restore the kernel? |
22:18.05 | PatrickC | yes |
22:18.58 | RavenII | Nice!...so I don't have to lose all my stuff? |
22:19.07 | PatrickC | don't think so |
22:19.12 | PatrickC | I've never had the need to membooy |
22:19.15 | PatrickC | memboot* |
22:19.22 | PatrickC | to recover my kernel |
22:19.43 | RavenII | hmmm....any one here do it before? |
22:20.26 | PatrickC | bbl |
22:28.31 | millertech | I just had to mem boot |
22:28.51 | millertech | you get back in and then you can uninstall the modified kernel |
22:29.21 | millertech | UK 2.1.0-75 is a no go for my Pre 1 |
22:29.23 | millertech | pre2 |
22:31.18 | millertech | It does not even get to the boot console |
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22:31.32 | RavenII | NIce...so it is possible...w.h.e.W. |
22:32.08 | RavenII | millertech: thanks for the hope...I really should figure out how to do a nand style backup of this thing... |
22:36.35 | rwhitby | We really should work out how to force people to memboot at least once before even installing a kernel from the testing feed. |
22:36.52 | summatusmentis | hah |
22:37.08 | summatusmentis | well, how do you force someone to the point of needing to memboot? |
22:37.08 | millertech | rwhitby: it was really easy |
22:37.28 | rwhitby | It always amazes me that folks go and install things clearly marked "Experimental" without learning first how to recover if things go wrong. |
22:38.02 | scoutcamper | rwhitby, is there a kernel flag for "its membooted"? if so, make preware check for it to install any kernels at all |
22:38.05 | RavenII | rwhitby: well, you should start a course on how people can be perfect like you too... |
22:38.19 | RavenII | see, some people learn from their mistakes...they don't learn BEFORE they make mistakes |
22:38.29 | rwhitby | RavenII: well, since the kernels don't boot for some people, obviously we're not perfect - that's the point. |
22:38.30 | RavenII | you on the other hand...you're the diamond in the rough |
22:38.49 | millertech | is there anything I can do to help debug this UK issue? |
22:38.56 | summatusmentis | many people don't recognize that experimental really means experimental |
22:39.01 | rwhitby | Maybe we should intentionally just periodically put bad stuff in the testing feed to teach such folks a good lesson. |
22:39.03 | summatusmentis | most people take it to mean "not finished" |
22:39.08 | summatusmentis | which is not the same thing |
22:39.22 | halfhalo-work | doitdoitdoit |
22:39.37 | rwhitby | halfhalo-work: maybe we already do ;) |
22:39.41 | RavenII | rwhitby: maybe...that's how I learned most things myself...I mean isn't the whole point of all this, to learn? |
22:39.47 | summatusmentis | rwhitby: nicer thing would be a litmus test prior to giving people the URL for the testing feed |
22:39.57 | halfhalo-work | yay! |
22:40.16 | rwhitby | RavenII: folks like yourself aren't the problem |
22:40.55 | rwhitby | sarcastic responses like https://twitter.com/guillaume_caron/status/100948868539224066 are the case in point |
22:40.57 | RavenII | I once typed rm -rF / into my terminal because some dude that was "helping" me learn linux, told me to do so in an IRC Chan....guess what I know to NEVER do again... |
22:41.29 | RavenII | Yeah, that's a 14 year old kid that is going to learn the hard way... |
22:41.59 | RavenII | the hard way being that most people aren't getting paid for ANY of this...so bitching and complaining gets you absolutely no where. |
22:42.05 | halfhalo-work | ran rm -rf / on device recently. gotta love the fact that the app that ran that command did NOT crash until I tried to quit |
22:42.07 | scoutcamper | RavenII, bah, thats the loosrs way, rm -rf /boot is much more intruiging :) |
22:42.12 | millertech | wow, what an idiot |
22:42.20 | RavenII | millertech: ...I was young back then... |
22:42.25 | RavenII | younger. |
22:42.28 | RavenII | yeah. |
22:42.32 | millertech | no no, the twitter guy |
22:42.35 | RavenII | Ohhh...haha |
22:42.58 | RavenII | halfhalo-work: I ran that on my Mac OS... |
22:43.11 | RavenII | should have seen the chan log on that one...when I told EVERYone that I did that |
22:43.20 | RavenII | ...the OS ran fine....until I tried rebooting. |
22:44.05 | summatusmentis | I ran rm -rf / once, it ran until it deleted the rm binary |
22:44.10 | summatusmentis | this was quite a while ago |
22:44.33 | RavenII | Whew!...at least I'm not the only sucker... |
22:44.44 | RavenII | I was holding that in for years! |
22:45.51 | summatusmentis | I mean, I knew what I was doing :) |
22:45.58 | RavenII | damn it. |
22:46.00 | RavenII | -.- |
22:46.04 | summatusmentis | I just wanted to see what it looked like |
22:46.11 | summatusmentis | and I was formatting anyway |
22:47.30 | RavenII | so millertech you just membooted and from preware uninstalled the kernel? |
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22:47.37 | millertech | yup |
22:47.58 | RavenII | Right. On. |
22:48.23 | millertech | i thought you could disable the UK profile in govnah and reboot with it still installed but it was not there |
22:48.45 | millertech | so i mem booted again and uninstalled in preware |
22:49.30 | millertech | now i am back to stock |
22:49.33 | millertech | yeah... |
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23:02.04 | rwhitby | millertech: ok, we need to debug your failure somehow. I'm not seeing it here. |
23:05.34 | millertech | rwhitby: let me know how to help you |
23:06.22 | millertech | ask not what webos-internals can do for you but what you can do for webos-internals |
23:07.26 | PuffTheMagic | lol |
23:08.52 | oilsworkn | that needs to go into the topic |
23:18.18 | joem_ | i wonder with the 50$ touchpad app catalog credit, preware homebrew guide sales are up a bunch |
23:18.28 | joem_ | or it its due to the mention in pivot |
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23:44.01 | millertech | rwhitby: my pre 2 is boot looping what is the log command? |
23:45.06 | mdelacoma | veer) |
23:46.47 | millertech | rwhitby: I got a klog file. ill send it to you after i memboot |
23:48.02 | mdelacoma | got a patch that wont remove |
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23:54.45 | elpollodiablo1 | I cant seem to find xecutah for TP is it in the test feed or regular feed? |
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