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| 03:20.02 | Abyssul | Just to clarify. The Pre2 kernels do not show up in Preware when the testing feeds are turned off. |
| 03:20.11 | Abyssul | (Sprint Pre2 here) |
| 03:22.22 | rwhitby | Abyssul: correct, there are no stable Pre 2 overclocking kernels. |
| 03:23.02 | kill_dano | is f15 just for TP or is it also for pre2? |
| 03:23.09 | rwhitby | Since there has not been enough public testing of kernels in the testing feed to determine stability. |
| 03:23.36 | rwhitby | F15 is touchpad at the moment |
| 03:24.10 | kill_dano | thnx. got it on my tp. runs nice |
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| 03:31.51 | Abyssul | rwhitby, thanks for the clarification. I was given the impression from others that there were current stable kernels. |
| 03:32.18 | gQuigs | I get "Messages can no longer be sent or received in this conversation" which seems common, the uncommon part is that this is for all conversations, even ones i've tried starting after upgrading to WebOS 2.1 |
| 03:32.40 | gQuigs | it appears I may have "lost" my SMS account if that is possible |
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| 03:32.55 | MactavishF | hi |
| 03:33.26 | Abyssul | gQuigs, very unusual |
| 03:33.54 | MactavishF | wow |
| 03:34.13 | gQuigs | Most of the time I can send messages from the contacts screen, and then it immediately switches to not being able to send |
| 03:34.22 | gQuigs | the message gets sent fine, and I can recieve messages |
| 03:34.32 | gQuigs | but only one at a time :) |
| 03:34.32 | MactavishF | I come here for a solution to refresh the dns... |
| 03:34.55 | MactavishF | gQuigs & Abyssul, what are you talking? |
| 03:35.27 | gQuigs | (11:32:18 PM) gQuigs: I get "Messages can no longer be sent or received in this conversation" which seems common, the uncommon part is that this is for all conversations, even ones i've tried starting after upgrading to WebOS 2.1 |
| 03:35.27 | gQuigs | (11:32:40 PM) gQuigs: it appears I may have "lost" my SMS account if that is possible |
| 03:36.49 | MactavishF | Ahh |
| 03:36.50 | MactavishF | I got it. |
| 03:37.11 | MactavishF | Messaages comes from Nokia or some other productors's phones will cause this |
| 03:37.57 | gQuigs | I'm mostly chatting with a WeboS 1.4.5 phone... |
| 03:38.15 | MactavishF | I like 2.1 better |
| 03:38.29 | MactavishF | but if you get this problem, try this: fixsms |
| 03:38.53 | MactavishF | the problem is caused by the character sets |
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| 03:39.17 | MactavishF | that Nokia or some other one uses |
| 03:39.48 | gQuigs | err.. I am chatting between webos 2.1 (my phone) and another phone that has webos 1.4.5 |
| 03:40.08 | gQuigs | just type fixsms on the phone? |
| 03:40.18 | navinag | ahmmm....where/how do I see the fuse values to determine if my touchpad is actually capable of running @ 1.5ghz |
| 03:40.20 | MactavishF | nope |
| 03:40.43 | MactavishF | gQuigs, search it in the preware |
| 03:40.53 | gQuigs | oh,,, ok thanks! |
| 03:40.57 | MactavishF | if you can't, i'll upload it to my site |
| 03:41.10 | MactavishF | wait me for a while~ |
| 03:42.32 | MactavishF | oh sorry gQuigs |
| 03:42.37 | MactavishF | wrong name... |
| 03:42.45 | MactavishF | smsfix is the correct one. |
| 03:44.33 | MactavishF | navinag , maybe you should try this: govnah |
| 03:45.10 | navinag | I don't think govnah gives that information.... |
| 03:45.28 | navinag | at least not that I am aware of |
| 03:45.32 | MactavishF | ahh, I mean, test it by your self. |
| 03:45.48 | MactavishF | Every CPU is different |
| 03:46.10 | navinag | yes I could do that....but would be nice to know how to find out instead of trial and error |
| 03:46.15 | MactavishF | Get a cool kernel from the preware, and try it carefully |
| 03:46.25 | MactavishF | ... |
| 03:46.32 | navinag | I did...I am running uberkernel |
| 03:46.35 | MactavishF | Sorry, maybe none could answer you ... |
| 03:46.40 | gQuigs | what feed should fix sms be in, the beta one? |
| 03:46.41 | MactavishF | then? |
| 03:47.04 | MactavishF | sorry gQquigs |
| 03:47.06 | MactavishF | wait a minute |
| 03:47.09 | gQuigs | sure |
| 03:47.11 | MactavishF | here is it, download it |
| 03:47.22 | navinag | that works fine @ 1ghz but does not have the ability to go higher.. |
| 03:47.23 | MactavishF | http://macf.info/smsfix.ipk |
| 03:47.48 | navinag | I saw this on twitter from webos internals |
| 03:47.59 | MactavishF | navinag, if the kernel doesn't support a higher frequent, you can't... |
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| 03:48.14 | gQuigs | thanks MactavishF |
| 03:48.20 | navinag | webosinternals: The 1.5 GHz operating point code is already in the stock TouchPad kernel source, simply disabled based on CPU speed bin fuse value settings. |
| 03:48.28 | MactavishF | ha, just a little helping hand |
| 03:48.53 | Abyssul | Reminds me how the stock kernel in the Pre allowed for 600 natively |
| 03:48.58 | MactavishF | Wow, maybe you have to have some change in the kernel |
| 03:48.58 | navinag | so hence there has to be a way to access the fuse values... |
| 03:49.00 | Abyssul | Just kind've disabled |
| 03:50.39 | navinag | I was talking about the F15C kernel that will run at 1.5 ghz if the devices is capable of it |
| 03:50.40 | MactavishF | gQuigs, where are you from? |
| 03:50.50 | gQuigs | NJ, US |
| 03:51.19 | MactavishF | Understood... The sms error usually happens in China |
| 03:52.13 | gQuigs | yea... I just noticed something odder.. I don't have any Accounts listed under Messaging -> Preferences & Accounts |
| 03:52.15 | MactavishF | navinag I still can not get you. You just wanna know whether your device is capable of it or not ,yea? |
| 03:52.32 | gQuigs | another palm has a phone number and Google Talk |
| 03:52.38 | MactavishF | gQuigs, that's usually. |
| 03:52.51 | MactavishF | I only have my gtalk account |
| 03:52.54 | navinag | yes.... |
| 03:53.21 | MactavishF | So don't worry about it |
| 03:53.32 | rwhitby | navinag: we just comment out the code which checks the fuse values |
| 03:53.51 | navinag | I would rather know than try and then it freezes up and then have to memboot and possibly have to doctor the device |
| 03:54.26 | MactavishF | doctor the device? you mean re-flash the rom? |
| 03:54.45 | scoutcamper | navinag, you can extract the uImage from the f15c ipk |
| 03:54.51 | scoutcamper | then memboot |
| 03:55.28 | navinag | rwhitby: does that mean that we can't see those values if the code become uncommented |
| 03:55.52 | MactavishF | well, does any one know how to refresh the dns? |
| 03:55.58 | MactavishF | I really crapped on it. |
| 03:56.13 | scoutcamper | MactavishF, "refresh the DNS" means nothing without context |
| 03:56.27 | rwhitby | navinag: see which values? |
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| 03:57.05 | MactavishF | err, scoutcamper, I mean, I uses the openvpn to surf youtube or twitter, ...etc |
| 03:57.20 | MactavishF | in my country it blocks these sites. |
| 03:57.37 | scoutcamper | ok |
| 03:57.42 | MactavishF | and it polutes the dns |
| 03:57.48 | navinag | rwhitby: the CUP is capbable at running at some max feq...the fuse settings will typically indicate what that max value is. |
| 03:58.03 | MactavishF | so even i am connected to the openvpn, i still can't visit these sites. |
| 03:58.13 | rwhitby | navinag: fuse settings indicate the speed bin, yes. |
| 03:58.30 | scoutcamper | MactavishF, id say a doctor |
| 03:58.37 | gQuigs | MactavishF: do you use your ISPs DNS? |
| 03:58.47 | MactavishF | nope. i use google dns |
| 03:58.53 | navinag | rwhitby: so we should be able to read what is the max Fred that's in the fuse settings? |
| 03:59.09 | navinag | rwhitby: freq |
| 03:59.13 | MactavishF | Fuck chinese Great FireWall |
| 03:59.14 | rwhitby | navinag: for the wifi touchpad, that is 1.2GHz, yes. |
| 04:00.14 | rwhitby | navinag: the speed bin fuses just have an integer bin value (which seems to be '1' for the wifi touchpad) - it does not actually specify a frequency |
| 04:01.16 | navinag | rwitby: ahhhhhhhh........then some other code goes and uses wife touchpad and sets the frequency... |
| 04:01.37 | rwhitby | yes, that is the code we have commented out, allowing the max to always be 1.5 |
| 04:02.03 | rwhitby | and then I just created uberkernel which boots at 1.2G by default, and can be overclocked safely to 1.5 if desired. |
| 04:02.32 | navinag | was the uberkernel updated to do that? |
| 04:02.49 | navinag | last I checked....it only did 1ghz |
| 04:03.13 | rwhitby | which uberkernel are you referring to? |
| 04:04.08 | navinag | rwhitby: TP Uberkernel |
| 04:05.56 | rwhitby | navinag: why would the TP UberKernel be clocked at 1G when the stock freq is 1.2G ? |
| 04:06.25 | navinag | rwhitby: so we can't truly know by any bin fuse settings in the CUP is capable of running @ 1.fghz....then its trial an error. I understand the name of the game...but was just trying to figure out if there was a way to assess the CUP capability before i |
| 04:06.26 | navinag | nstalling the 1.5 ghz settings |
| 04:07.20 | navinag | rwhitby: I meant 1.2ghz |
| 04:07.25 | rwhitby | navinag: that's why I'm doing UberKernel. It boots at 1.2GHz and you use a Govnah profile to overclock. If it fails, it boots at 1.2 GHz again after the failure. |
| 04:07.39 | scoutcamper | navinag, or memboot f15c |
| 04:08.14 | Abyssul | Anyone have any clue why my pre- wont charge even though the charging icon pops up. |
| 04:08.16 | navinag | rwhitby: is that version of Uberkernel currently available? |
| 04:08.22 | rwhitby | navinag: it's being built right now |
| 04:08.32 | navinag | ahhhhhh....ok |
| 04:08.58 | rwhitby | bbl |
| 04:08.58 | navinag | rwhitby: it sounded like it was already in the feeds |
| 04:09.26 | navinag | rwhitby: thanks for the clarification |
| 04:09.42 | MactavishF | does anyone how nscd work in the webos? |
| 04:10.20 | MactavishF | okay |
| 04:10.24 | MactavishF | I got it. |
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| 04:16.27 | gQuigs | I can't seem to transfer smsfix.. |
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| 04:18.23 | flare576 | greetings all :) I have a physically damaged pre I'm trying to get some data from. USB mode isn't coming up, so I'm trying to get FTP working on it. I installed OpenSSH SFTP (and dependencies) from Preware and WGET an "authorized_key" file i created on the PC, but it doesn't look like OpenSSH is running... How can I tell if it has started? |
| 04:19.01 | flare576 | I also have Terminal on the Pre (which is how I did the wget) |
| 04:19.33 | ka6sox | flare576, define "damaged" |
| 04:20.28 | flare576 | the screen portion of the pre has come disconnected from the metal plate. The ribbon cable came disconnected, but I've re-attached it. I'm guessing some damage was done to the cable because the phone no longer recognizes that USB cable is plugged in (just charges) |
| 04:21.13 | ka6sox | can you ssh into it? |
| 04:21.26 | flare576 | nope |
| 04:21.53 | ka6sox | is wifi on? |
| 04:21.58 | ka6sox | is it connected? |
| 04:22.07 | flare576 | yes and yes |
| 04:22.19 | ka6sox | and you know the IP address of the pre? |
| 04:22.29 | flare576 | I do |
| 04:22.47 | flare576 | ah ha! uninstalling and reinstalling |
| 04:22.55 | flare576 | I'm in |
| 04:23.06 | ka6sox | okay GL getting what you need :D |
| 04:26.12 | gQuigs | can anyone check something for me on their device? namely using Impostah -> Accounts -> Change account to SIM -> Show Account -> capabilityProviders -> how much do you have listed there? |
| 04:26.14 | gQuigs | thanks! |
| 04:26.37 | gQuigs | (preferably a working WebOS 2.1 on a palm pre plus, but close enough is fine :) |
| 04:26.45 | flare576 | <-- 1.4.5 pre still :( |
| 04:28.13 | gQuigs | yay.. found the issue, (checked using the emulator), I don't have it listed under CapabilityProviders (sms that is) |
| 04:28.48 | gQuigs | can I edit that somehow? |
| 04:30.02 | MactavishF | well |
| 04:30.11 | MactavishF | gQuigs, what's your device? |
| 04:30.20 | gQuigs | palm pre plus |
| 04:30.35 | MactavishF | So why don't you upgrade to web os 2.1? |
| 04:30.52 | gQuigs | I am on 2.1, thats where the problem started |
| 04:30.56 | MactavishF | I'm a 3P user too |
| 04:30.59 | MactavishF | err |
| 04:31.02 | MactavishF | wait a minute |
| 04:31.10 | MactavishF | what's the problem? |
| 04:31.36 | gQuigs | I can' send text messages from the messaging app |
| 04:31.58 | MactavishF | you can't send text messages, right? |
| 04:32.13 | MactavishF | have you registered your palm profile? |
| 04:32.33 | gQuigs | is that the same as activation? |
| 04:32.40 | MactavishF | yes |
| 04:33.00 | MactavishF | the gesture tutorial |
| 04:33.08 | gQuigs | I did do that, but through Impostah |
| 04:33.11 | MactavishF | have you finished it or you just skipped? |
| 04:33.24 | MactavishF | ohh, it's not good. |
| 04:33.25 | gQuigs | the gesture tutorial... never done that |
| 04:33.47 | MactavishF | so, you meant that you are not using an official rom? |
| 04:34.04 | MactavishF | is your phone branded? such as AT&T? |
| 04:34.11 | gQuigs | yup AT&T |
| 04:34.22 | MactavishF | Great, we are the same. |
| 04:34.40 | gQuigs | should I do the gesture tutorial? |
| 04:34.45 | MactavishF | (Even I'm in China in fact) |
| 04:34.46 | MactavishF | well |
| 04:34.52 | MactavishF | open your launcher |
| 04:35.01 | MactavishF | swipe to the righteset |
| 04:35.05 | gQuigs | ok |
| 04:35.12 | MactavishF | can you find it? |
| 04:35.19 | scoutcamper | gQuigs, what settings did you use to make your 2.1 doctor? has this problem existed since day 1 of 2.1? |
| 04:35.21 | MactavishF | and what did you get? |
| 04:35.22 | gQuigs | yup |
| 04:35.38 | gQuigs | MactavishF: I can begin the tutorial |
| 04:35.55 | MactavishF | Great. Where did you download your rom? |
| 04:35.59 | gQuigs | scoutcamper: I used to be able to send one message at a time, but just from the contacts page, that no longer works |
| 04:36.24 | scoutcamper | gQuigs, are you using this device on ATT? |
| 04:36.25 | gQuigs | MactavishF: followed the standard webos-internals for the device |
| 04:36.32 | gQuigs | scoutcamper: yup |
| 04:37.01 | scoutcamper | gQuigs, what command did you use to make this doctor? using the makefile or scripts? |
| 04:37.01 | MactavishF | OH, I didn't remember that the ATT have 2.1 ROMS officially. |
| 04:37.25 | MactavishF | gQuigs seems just downloaded a doctor, scoutcamper |
| 04:37.59 | scoutcamper | MactavishF, no, 2.1 doctor for ATT is not distributed by WOSI |
| 04:38.41 | gQuigs | I followed this page: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/WebOS_2_Upgrade ... |
| 04:39.54 | MactavishF | Ha, I used another ROM, and changed the jar file a little |
| 04:40.11 | MactavishF | not made by my self. just changed by myself |
| 04:40.20 | scoutcamper | gQuigs, did you use the makefile? or the meta-scripts |
| 04:40.51 | gQuigs | makefile.... I skipped first run was my only change I think... checking... |
| 04:41.27 | MactavishF | ... |
| 04:42.13 | gQuigs | yea.. I turned on BYPASS_FIRST_USE_APP = 1 |
| 04:42.23 | scoutcamper | ok |
| 04:42.50 | scoutcamper | then, what command? |
| 04:42.54 | scoutcamper | make device=pre? |
| 04:43.45 | gQuigs | I did that in the Makefile, DEVICE = preplus, and CARRIER = att |
| 04:43.53 | gQuigs | and then did 'make all' |
| 04:45.10 | scoutcamper | ok |
| 04:45.18 | scoutcamper | gQuigs, what was your base 2.1 doctor? |
| 04:46.17 | gQuigs | hmm.. originally I did just DEVICE = preplus, and CARRIER = att, no BYPASS anything |
| 04:46.22 | scoutcamper | ok |
| 04:46.43 | gQuigs | but after it didn't work correctly, I went back to 1.4.5, used it for a bit, then deleted my palm profile and tried again with the BYPASS |
| 04:47.38 | gQuigs | I had figured I would try it first without deleting my palm profile, since it said it sometimes would work... |
| 04:48.55 | scoutcamper | ok |
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| 05:00.31 | gQuigs | sorry I had it backwards |
| 05:00.53 | MactavishF | Well |
| 05:00.54 | gQuigs | you can only send new messages from the message app, click new thread, then type contact and new message |
| 05:01.08 | gQuigs | then after it sends it locks it |
| 05:01.16 | MactavishF | gQuigs, why don't you try a pre-made doctor? |
| 05:01.40 | MactavishF | is that very important to make it by your self? |
| 05:01.43 | gQuigs | MactavishF: it didn't work, I could get on wireless or 3g to activate it |
| 05:02.04 | gQuigs | the messaging app gives the following errors: |
| 05:02.04 | gQuigs | [20110801-01:00:16.581481] error: ++++++ChatviewAssistant::initialize |
| 05:02.04 | gQuigs | [20110801-01:00:17.533660] error: Error, the transport list is empty. |
| 05:02.04 | gQuigs | [20110801-01:00:17.547637] error: Account template doesn't exist so locking this chatthread |
| 05:02.09 | MactavishF | Nope, some roms can |
| 05:02.19 | MactavishF | ......? |
| 05:03.10 | ka6sox | what are roms? |
| 05:03.29 | MactavishF | I got my rom from a chinese website |
| 05:03.33 | gQuigs | MactavishF: aren't all of the scripts just running the same makefile with different options? |
| 05:03.38 | MactavishF | and just edited it a little |
| 05:03.59 | MactavishF | sorry, I'm not a professional on makefile |
| 05:04.47 | MactavishF | But I'm really sure that there's a rom can work correctly, including activate the phone. |
| 05:05.11 | Abyssul | Agh, what doctor do I use on my Pre- GSM.... |
| 05:06.29 | ka6sox | MactavishF, is a "rom" a "doctor" that has been reworked and posted someplace to download? |
| 05:06.42 | gQuigs | hmm.. I guess I'll look for that tomorrow.. if anyone has any other ideas, I'd love to hear them (won't be responding but will be appreciative) |
| 05:06.43 | MactavishF | err |
| 05:06.48 | MactavishF | wait a minute |
| 05:06.53 | Abyssul | We don't usually use the word ROM. |
| 05:06.55 | scoutcamper | ka6sox, Rom almost always means illegal |
| 05:07.04 | MactavishF | First, the ROM I provided is not modified... by me. |
| 05:07.08 | gQuigs | (btw, I got the error via palm-log -d usb -f com.palm.app.messaging) |
| 05:07.09 | MactavishF | then |
| 05:07.16 | Abyssul | Meta-doctor .jar's arn't meant for distribution |
| 05:07.16 | MactavishF | I can teach you how to modify it. |
| 05:07.39 | MactavishF | ka6sox , are you using a palm pre plus? |
| 05:07.52 | scoutcamper | MactavishF, webos-internals doesnt support Illegal files/downloads |
| 05:08.14 | MactavishF | i don't think that it's illegal |
| 05:08.39 | Abyssul | (It is) |
| 05:08.42 | ka6sox | MactavishF, no, I do not have one of those. |
| 05:09.16 | MactavishF | err, why illegal? |
| 05:09.28 | Abyssul | Doctor files are property of Palm/HP |
| 05:09.43 | Abyssul | Not meant for distribution outside of their servers |
| 05:09.47 | MactavishF | okay... |
| 05:09.59 | Abyssul | Thats why we have patches and not modified files |
| 05:10.36 | MactavishF | even it's opensource? |
| 05:10.44 | MactavishF | even if it's opensource? |
| 05:11.03 | MactavishF | wow, maybe I should ask a lawyer... |
| 05:11.06 | Abyssul | I dont know the exact technical aspects of it all, but its the basic jist |
| 05:13.07 | summatusmentis | IANAL, but as I understand it, only palm/HP has the rights to redistribute the doctors, because they own the copyright on the code included within |
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| 05:13.46 | summatusmentis | so redistributing them, even modified, even if the modification is opensource, is copyright infringement at best |
| 05:13.48 | Abyssul | rwhitby, what configuration would you suggest for a GSM Pre - that was preveously a Sprint Pre infused with a Pre2 Comm board. I just want to be able to install a fresh 1.4.5 doctor with wifi only. |
| 05:13.58 | MactavishF | so, what we can do legally is providing patches? and use meta-doctor to build a doctor? |
| 05:14.06 | Abyssul | Yep |
| 05:14.16 | summatusmentis | correct |
| 05:14.19 | Abyssul | Only for personal use |
| 05:14.23 | MactavishF | Got it. |
| 05:14.23 | summatusmentis | correct |
| 05:14.34 | MactavishF | Thank you very much. |
| 05:14.50 | Abyssul | Although, it gets ambiguous when it comes to image files :p |
| 05:15.03 | summatusmentis | I'm not really sure it does |
| 05:15.06 | MactavishF | If someone sell the roms, he's illegal, right? |
| 05:15.13 | Abyssul | Highly^ |
| 05:15.25 | MactavishF | OMG, I must aware my friends.... |
| 05:15.36 | Abyssul | I never knew people sold them... |
| 05:15.40 | Abyssul | Sounds stupid |
| 05:15.51 | summatusmentis | I'm not sure why people would buy them |
| 05:19.51 | MactavishF | Nope, in Chinese Forumes, |
| 05:20.00 | MactavishF | it sells very well |
| 05:20.21 | Abyssul | Makes no sense... |
| 05:20.23 | MactavishF | with many built-in packages, people don't need to download anymore |
| 05:20.33 | Abyssul | Pre2 is a lot heftier than the Pre... Just noticed |
| 05:22.05 | MactavishF | Pre3 is a lot heftier than the Pre2 |
| 05:22.10 | MactavishF | ...Just noticed |
| 05:22.55 | Abyssul | You have a pre3? |
| 05:23.05 | MactavishF | Nope |
| 05:23.12 | MactavishF | Just a fantasy |
| 05:23.23 | Abyssul | You'd think it might be lighter |
| 05:24.08 | MactavishF | Well, the 3P's weight is very good for me I think. |
| 05:24.38 | Abyssul | 135 (pre) vs 145 (pre2) in grams |
| 05:25.03 | MactavishF | .......:-O |
| 05:25.31 | Abyssul | They took down the Pre3 specs sheet so I cant look it up |
| 05:26.16 | Abyssul | here we go, 156 grams |
| 05:26.33 | MactavishF | .......even heavier? |
| 05:28.48 | ziplock503 | how much Pre? |
| 05:28.54 | ziplock503 | pre2 |
| 05:29.08 | Abyssul | What? |
| 05:29.15 | MactavishF | how to make the openvpn to push dns to the pre? |
| 05:29.23 | ziplock503 | how many grams pre2 |
| 05:29.29 | Abyssul | 145 |
| 05:29.54 | ziplock503 | lol oops I thought you posted Pre weight |
| 05:30.00 | ziplock503 | pre3 |
| 05:30.19 | ziplock503 | Damn auto correct |
| 05:30.49 | flare576 | Under Device Info - Reset Options there is a "Full Erase"; is that the equivalent to Doctor? |
| 05:31.25 | ziplock503 | nope |
| 05:31.39 | flare576 | didn't think so, but hoped :) |
| 05:32.23 | flare576 | This Pre isn't recognizing USB beyond charging, so I can't doctor it and the local Sprint store can be jerks about having homebrew. |
| 05:32.29 | ziplock503 | doctoring is a breeze |
| 05:32.46 | flare576 | yeah, if the phone and PC can talk ;) |
| 05:32.58 | ziplock503 | you got webos quick install? |
| 05:33.03 | MactavishF | flare576 the best way to solve the problem is send it to palm... |
| 05:33.07 | scoutcamper | flare576, full erase will kill most homebrew |
| 05:33.21 | scoutcamper | ziplock503, wouldnt help, he has no USB enumeration |
| 05:33.30 | Abyssul | Yea, if you are just going to Sprint, a full erase will do |
| 05:33.32 | flare576 | MactavishF: I'll be bringing it to Sprint. The phone has been dropped... a lot. |
| 05:33.45 | ziplock503 | try reinstalling the novacom from webos quick install |
| 05:33.53 | MactavishF | flare576, watch out carefully... |
| 05:34.10 | flare576 | scoutcamper: thanks! |
| 05:34.32 | scoutcamper | flare576, no prob |
| 05:34.40 | flare576 | Abyssul: thanks for the insight, Will full erase do anything to my profile backup? |
| 05:34.54 | Abyssul | flare576, no |
| 05:34.58 | ka6sox | scoutcamper, a full erase should bring it back to factory |
| 05:35.00 | flare576 | I'll be bringing the phone in tomorrow and whenever they get me a replacement I'll be re-syncing |
| 05:35.30 | ka6sox | aka WIPE |
| 05:36.00 | Abyssul | My bad, Full erase does not get rid of patches |
| 05:36.08 | Abyssul | Doctor will be required |
| 05:36.20 | flare576 | poo |
| 05:36.23 | flare576 | well |
| 05:36.30 | flare576 | I made it LOOK stock at least |
| 05:36.35 | Abyssul | Yeah |
| 05:36.41 | Abyssul | I had mine full blown homebrewed |
| 05:36.45 | ziplock503 | try reintsall novacom via webos quick install |
| 05:36.47 | Abyssul | and they didnt care or even turn on the phone |
| 05:36.54 | flare576 | ziplock503: the problem is not my pc |
| 05:37.13 | flare576 | my pre works fine on this machine :) |
| 05:37.14 | Abyssul | I think a doctor should fix the usb problem if you believe it is phone based |
| 05:37.28 | flare576 | Abyssul: doctore requires a USB connection to phone |
| 05:38.15 | Abyssul | You can boot it into recovery mode |
| 05:38.30 | ziplock503 | I had prob with my pre connecting thru usb that solved it |
| 05:38.42 | Abyssul | Turn phone off, hold volume up button, plug into usb into computer |
| 05:38.49 | flare576 | I think the ribbon cord is damaged actually, but I'll try that |
| 05:38.52 | ziplock503 | I knew it wasn't the pc cause I just did a different pre previously |
| 05:39.13 | Abyssul | Strange if the ribbon is damaged |
| 05:40.21 | ziplock503 | abyssul I always thought you had to hold power button also |
| 05:40.39 | flare576 | ziplock503: nope, just did it, it's trying to be USB mode |
| 05:40.57 | Abyssul | Nope |
| 05:40.58 | flare576 | but no, not showing as a drive |
| 05:41.06 | Abyssul | Its not suppose to show as drive |
| 05:41.14 | Abyssul | Its supposed to show a usb symbol on the screen |
| 05:41.24 | Abyssul | Indicating recovery mode |
| 05:41.26 | flare576 | it does |
| 05:41.31 | flare576 | but it does not show on my pc |
| 05:41.37 | Abyssul | Then your USB is fine |
| 05:41.40 | Abyssul | Its not suppose to |
| 05:41.44 | ziplock503 | try the reinstall novacom please |
| 05:41.50 | ziplock503 | it won't hurt and ez |
| 05:41.58 | ziplock503 | helped me b4 |
| 05:42.44 | ziplock503 | webos quick install top left menu reinstall nova |
| 05:42.59 | Abyssul | I'd go with that |
| 05:43.08 | Abyssul | No need to doctor if you can get the USB to work |
| 05:44.54 | flare576 | "There are no devices currently connected" |
| 05:45.38 | ziplock503 | won't let you hit options |
| 05:46.09 | flare576 | when I open WOSQI, it tells me there are no devices, and gives me the option to re-install novacom |
| 05:46.20 | flare576 | I allow it to, but after install it still sees no devices |
| 05:46.33 | ziplock503 | did reinstall work... worth a shot |
| 05:46.37 | ziplock503 | shity |
| 05:46.58 | ziplock503 | you in de mode? |
| 05:47.01 | ziplock503 | dev |
| 05:47.07 | flare576 | yup |
| 05:47.22 | flare576 | Doctor doesn't see it either (now in USB recovery mode) |
| 05:47.36 | Abyssul | What OS? |
| 05:47.45 | flare576 | win7 |
| 05:47.48 | Abyssul | bit? |
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| 05:48.00 | flare576 | 64 bit, sorry |
| 05:48.14 | flare576 | was 1-handed rebooting phone, which is tricky considering the device is falling apart lol |
| 05:48.28 | Abyssul | Restart the doctor, and pull the battery |
| 05:48.34 | flare576 | yup, just did that |
| 05:48.39 | Abyssul | Dont put it in recovery until it asks you to connect the pre |
| 05:48.44 | flare576 | ok |
| 05:48.53 | Abyssul | Which is like 5 prompts in |
| 05:48.59 | Abyssul | where you click "next" |
| 05:49.48 | Jack87-wIRC | cryptk|offline: ping |
| 05:49.51 | flare576 | while doctor is waiting for device, plugged in USB, plugged in battery, Doctor can't tell |
| 05:50.07 | Abyssul | USB symbol on Pre screen? |
| 05:50.10 | flare576 | yessir |
| 05:50.16 | flare576 | this thing is nuked |
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| 05:50.24 | flare576 | my wife does not screw around when destroying her devices. |
| 05:50.27 | ziplock503 | I always keep holding it at this point lol |
| 05:50.35 | Abyssul | ctrl + alt + del and go to Processes |
| 05:50.44 | Abyssul | See if novacom is listed |
| 05:51.01 | flare576 | hmm, novacom is not listed |
| 05:51.07 | Abyssul | or novacomd |
| 05:51.14 | flare576 | no nova* |
| 05:51.21 | Abyssul | Go to device manager |
| 05:51.41 | flare576 | well shit |
| 05:51.42 | Abyssul | Is Palm Novacom listed? |
| 05:51.52 | flare576 | no, but I've got little "!" all over the USB stuff |
| 05:52.11 | Abyssul | o.O Idk what that is |
| 05:52.27 | ziplock503 | hardware? |
| 05:52.45 | Abyssul | http://universal-novacom-installer.googlecode.com/files/UniversalNovacomInstaller.jar |
| 05:52.46 | Abyssul | Use this |
| 05:52.51 | Abyssul | Should fix your novacom problem |
| 05:52.51 | flare576 | wow, that pisses me right off |
| 05:53.15 | Abyssul | Dont worry about that USB ! |
| 05:53.20 | ziplock503 | so was I on right track earlier? |
| 05:53.29 | flare576 | no, hardware failure on my pc |
| 05:53.37 | flare576 | apparenlty that slot has an issue |
| 05:53.43 | ziplock503 | oh Ur pc ... weak |
| 05:53.46 | flare576 | yeah |
| 05:53.46 | Abyssul | Do your USB ports even work? |
| 05:53.53 | flare576 | until 4 hours ago |
| 05:53.55 | flare576 | yes |
| 05:53.55 | Abyssul | Lol |
| 05:53.59 | ziplock503 | sheeeh |
| 05:54.03 | ziplock503 | sheesh |
| 05:54.18 | flare576 | yah.... I'll tell the wife her phone destroyed one of my USB ports :) |
| 05:54.29 | ziplock503 | nice |
| 05:54.46 | Abyssul | Meh, its probably fine. Just a driver problem |
| 05:55.02 | flare576 | wow... I didn't have to get OpenSSH SFTP installed and configured... |
| 05:55.10 | flare576 | that makes me sad. |
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| 05:56.16 | flare576 | well, good to know my ribbon cable diagnostic was wrong... i kinda figured i was inventing something on that one ;) |
| 05:57.47 | Abyssul | Seemed very unlikely |
| 05:57.51 | Abyssul | Whats the status on the Pre? |
| 05:57.55 | flare576 | doctoring |
| 05:58.04 | Abyssul | What fixed it? |
| 05:58.16 | flare576 | plugging it into a less-finicky USB port |
| 05:58.44 | Abyssul | Yeah, I have a loose USB port |
| 05:58.51 | Abyssul | Wish I knew how to fix it |
| 05:59.04 | flare576 | like I said, though; was working until 4 hours ago. Literally used it earlier todya. |
| 05:59.05 | flare576 | *today |
| 05:59.22 | flare576 | find an Electrical Engineer with a soldering gun ;) |
| 05:59.23 | Abyssul | was probably on its last legs |
| 05:59.29 | Abyssul | I have a soldering gun |
| 05:59.43 | flare576 | then un-loose it ;) |
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| 06:02.47 | Abyssul | That can be my project tomorrow |
| 06:06.55 | flare576 | alrighty all, thank you for the help and advice :) |
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| 06:07.38 | flare576 | it's 'cause of this community I'm staying on WebOS and waiting for the !!%$# Palm3 |
| 06:08.10 | Abyssul | Nothing is more satisfying than putting your two year old Pre- into a new Pre2 |
| 06:08.39 | Jack87 | lol |
| 06:08.47 | flare576 | I don't want to spend money on a new device twice :( |
| 06:09.39 | Abyssul | I got mine for free :p |
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| 06:09.48 | Abyssul | Pre |
| 06:09.55 | Jack87 | flare576, $200 or less is worth it. anything more not so much |
| 06:09.56 | Abyssul | Pre2's go for 200 bucks* |
| 06:10.36 | flare576 | I'll keep in mind... But I'm still hoping for a device by the end of Sept :( |
| 06:10.51 | Jack87 | check local classifieds |
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| 06:11.32 | Abyssul | What carrier? |
| 06:11.42 | flare576 | save me some time: do I have to be careful which Pre2 I get for Sprint? |
| 06:11.45 | ziplock503 | webos community the best imo |
| 06:11.54 | Abyssul | Nope |
| 06:11.57 | Abyssul | Either work |
| 06:12.02 | flare576 | awesome sauce. |
| 06:12.12 | ziplock503 | I got vzn pre2 on sprint |
| 06:12.15 | Abyssul | If you are waiting for Pre3 for Sprint, dont waste your time |
| 06:12.23 | flare576 | nope |
| 06:12.26 | Abyssul | I got GSM unlocked working on Sprint |
| 06:12.30 | flare576 | wife and I are out of contract |
| 06:12.42 | flare576 | so as soon as pre3 hits, we're switching to whatever carrier gets it |
| 06:12.51 | Abyssul | Oh, its coming for summer |
| 06:12.53 | ziplock503 | my gf has my frankenpre+ now |
| 06:13.21 | Abyssul | Seeing how the 2.2 SDK was released (mentioned in PC), it is right on track |
| 06:13.32 | Abyssul | not SDK, emu* |
| 06:14.09 | flare576 | right, so... I'm saving the $200 for now ;) |
| 06:14.36 | Abyssul | Seriously, the Pre2 is solid |
| 06:14.44 | Abyssul | I could care less about the Pre3 now |
| 06:14.59 | ziplock503 | my pre2 will last me till march when my 2nd lines contract ends |
| 06:15.30 | flare576 | Think the Pre2 is going to keep getting updates? |
| 06:15.40 | ziplock503 | I just hope pre2 gets support |
| 06:16.04 | Jack87 | only thing pre2 will lack is touch to share |
| 06:16.22 | ziplock503 | I bet homebrew will fix that soon |
| 06:16.36 | ziplock503 | at least we got neato! app |
| 06:16.57 | Abyssul | flare576, yes |
| 06:17.06 | Jack87 | flare576, ya... tp rebate is for pre/pixi/plus because they will not get updates |
| 06:17.08 | Abyssul | Pre2 is still supported by HP in my eyes |
| 06:17.25 | sash_ | Pre2, Amazon, Germany: 419 to 459€ O.o |
| 06:17.30 | Jack87 | but not the 2 |
| 06:17.39 | dtzWill | so, uh, how about that OTA update? :) |
| 06:17.42 | Abyssul | Pre2, HP, US, $230 shipped |
| 06:17.58 | flare576 | oh, how long is that discount good for... |
| 06:18.00 | Abyssul | Yea, its August 1st and no TP update. WTF HP |
| 06:18.01 | flare576 | gotta find that page |
| 06:18.06 | ziplock503 | today |
| 06:18.14 | flare576 | crap lol |
| 06:18.28 | ziplock503 | 40minutes |
| 06:18.28 | Jack87 | 479 TP @ costco w/ case |
| 06:18.30 | flare576 | I was hoping it'd be after the aTT touchpad comes out |
| 06:18.34 | Jack87 | fyi |
| 06:18.51 | ziplock503 | the make things right rebate what I'm talking about |
| 06:18.58 | Abyssul | That rebate sucks |
| 06:19.18 | Abyssul | All these promotional deals for the TP are crazy |
| 06:19.23 | flare576 | lol |
| 06:19.26 | Jack87 | if you count rebate it was 50 bucks off making it 420 for 32gig TP |
| 06:19.26 | Jack87 | but too late for that now |
| 06:19.40 | Abyssul | I'd rather use my dev coupon for the TP |
| 06:20.15 | ziplock503 | we shoulda got 100 off |
| 06:20.46 | flare576 | i agree |
| 06:20.52 | Jack87 | indeed |
| 06:21.23 | Jack87 | especially if they were only limiting it to the 32gig model. |
| 06:21.36 | ziplock503 | fukers |
| 06:21.52 | flare576 | anyway, phone is in returnable shape now :) |
| 06:21.57 | flare576 | thanks all, have a good night |
| 06:22.00 | ziplock503 | woot |
| 06:22.24 | Abyssul | yea, wtf is this 32gb only deal |
| 06:22.37 | Abyssul | That applys to the rebate AND dev code |
| 06:22.52 | Abyssul | I dont want to spent 100 bucks on an extra 16gb.... |
| 06:23.03 | Abyssul | I just want 3.0 |
| 06:23.30 | Jack87 | im sad palm never included micro sd. that was a stupid appleish move to do. still pisses me off. and they continue it at HP |
| 06:23.48 | ziplock503 | there is room for sd card in tp design |
| 06:24.00 | dtzWill | Jack87: yeah, it's surprising :/. |
| 06:24.00 | Jack87 | Palm was one of the first to utilize SD slots in their devices |
| 06:24.22 | Abyssul | There is a spot for a SIM card, not SD |
| 06:24.29 | Abyssul | If I recall |
| 06:24.42 | ziplock503 | hmm on side of device? |
| 06:24.43 | dtzWill | well maybe not surprising, but disappointing |
| 06:24.52 | Abyssul | Yep |
| 06:24.55 | Jack87 | Abyssul, spot yes... but dtzWill was saying there is enough room to have included sd if they wanted |
| 06:25.16 | Abyssul | http://www.techfever.net/images/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/HP-TouchPad.png |
| 06:25.17 | Jack87 | i mean ziplock503 :) |
| 06:25.37 | Abyssul | oh, I read his comment wrong, but yeah |
| 06:25.48 | ziplock503 | no worries |
| 06:25.59 | Abyssul | Idc about Sd micro either, that's what box.net is for |
| 06:26.30 | ziplock503 | I want free 50 gbs! |
| 06:27.14 | Jack87 | eh... box.net isnt that handy if you arent always on an internet connection. and besides that there is no desktop program for it without registering for a over priced business account. |
| 06:27.49 | ziplock503 | zumo works alright but its no 50 gigs |
| 06:28.16 | ziplock503 | ZumoDrive |
| 06:28.21 | Jack87 | An SD card would go a long ways... and actually open new doors to what the device could do |
| 06:28.41 | Abyssul | Note to self: high load averages = bad |
| 06:28.53 | Jack87 | a lot like many of the android devices... the SD card becomes really handy especially on my nook |
| 06:33.04 | Jack87 | is it just me or does the physical button on the TP feel like a step backwords.... its like one step forward and two steps back with lack of gestures and physical buttons |
| 06:34.14 | Jack87 | the internals of the device are amazing. but some of the little things make you just say "really?" |
| 06:34.38 | ziplock503 | yeah wtf no gestures |
| 06:35.29 | Jack87 | i know i know enyo doesnt need back as much... but for the times it does... it really sucks looking for a back button inside the app after you been spoiled with webos |
| 06:39.10 | Jack87 | does anyone know if the HP official case is actually worth $40-$50? |
| 06:39.35 | rwhitby | I like mine enough to keep it on. |
| 06:40.28 | Jack87 | rwhitby, thanks :) |
| 06:42.27 | Jack87 | rwhitby, it only covers the screen right? |
| 06:44.47 | dtzWill | i love my case, idk how to answer what it's worth. |
| 06:45.17 | dtzWill | i never take it off, and i even go to lengths to leave it on. only sad part is that i can't reasonably use exhibition on a touchstone with it on :( |
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| 06:48.21 | Jack87 | dtzWill, thanks |
| 06:48.44 | Jack87 | is TS as handy for Tp as it is for the phones? |
| 06:48.58 | Abyssul | Eh, idk |
| 06:49.06 | Abyssul | I'd think the case is more important |
| 06:49.24 | Abyssul | Anyone know why Mode Switcher doesnt have brightness setting anymore? I cant find it |
| 06:50.35 | Jack87 | i thought i had seen case for $30 earlier in the month on amazon |
| 06:50.47 | Jack87 | these prices keep fluctuating |
| 06:51.12 | Abyssul | yea gotta catch them |
| 06:55.37 | rwhitby | dtzWill: I use the case on the touchpad with exhibition |
| 06:56.05 | rwhitby | Jack87: case covers the whole device |
| 06:56.20 | rwhitby | now has TPTS at home and work |
| 06:56.43 | Jack87 | thanks! good to know |
| 06:56.44 | Abyssul | The case should work with the TS |
| 06:57.49 | rwhitby | it does |
| 06:58.30 | Abyssul | Wish HP would hurry up and send those dev discount coupons so I can get a TP already |
| 06:58.53 | Jack87 | wishes there was a way to merge profiles |
| 06:58.57 | dtzWill | rwhitby: ...how? :) |
| 06:59.06 | dtzWill | fold it under? or open it off to the left? |
| 07:00.28 | Abyssul | I heard it works with the flap over the screen or even with both layers of the case against the back of the TP |
| 07:01.40 | dtzWill | it doesn't work wth flap up and over screen, that'd be ideal |
| 07:01.53 | dtzWill | it does work through two layers but then the flap kinda pushes it off the touchstone some |
| 07:02.00 | dtzWill | and it's crooked and weird |
| 07:02.29 | dtzWill | not to be super picky or complainy lol but it's official dock with official case, using advertised feature. not entirely unreasonable to expect them to work nicely together :) |
| 07:02.50 | Jack87 | has anyone tried this guy? http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-920-000594-diNovo-Mini/dp/B0011FOOI2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1312182148&sr=8-1 |
| 07:04.15 | Abyssul | That is expensive... |
| 07:04.24 | Jack87 | ya it is |
| 07:04.39 | Jack87 | but it seem really handy. |
| 07:04.44 | Abyssul | Its incredibly small too |
| 07:04.52 | Abyssul | Its the size of your hand |
| 07:05.12 | Abyssul | and it would be cool if it could dock the TP |
| 07:06.37 | Jack87 | be nice to wirc with |
| 07:07.50 | rwhitby | dtzWill: fold the flap under |
| 07:08.55 | Jack87 | rwhitby, any experience with dinovo mini? |
| 07:08.57 | Abyssul | wirc is amazing. Its incredible how well the app has grown |
| 07:09.05 | Abyssul | Just like the rest of the webos homebrew |
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| 07:47.43 | Abyssul | SSH service isn't starting up when I reboot on my PRe2 |
| 07:48.09 | Abyssul | I have to remove and install to get it to start up |
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| 08:17.40 | Abyssul | You would think HP would fix WebOS's boottime dependency on the number of apps... |
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| 13:06.42 | RavenII | Meow meow meow meow, meow meow meow meow, meow meow meow meow.... |
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| 14:25.05 | dtzWill | RavenII: cut that out, right meow! |
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| 14:27.48 | ka6sox | meow mix? |
| 14:28.30 | PatrickC | is lost... |
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| 14:38.28 | RavenII | Hahaha |
| 14:38.36 | RavenII | Right meow...that was nice. |
| 14:44.35 | dtzWill | RavenII: ever seen super trooopers? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yXZRdeGHEo (terrible quality, but you get the idea) |
| 14:44.45 | RavenII | Oh yeah |
| 14:44.57 | RavenII | hilarious |
| 14:45.28 | RavenII | These Snozberries Taste Like Snozberries |
| 14:45.30 | RavenII | hahaha |
| 14:46.12 | dtzWill | you boys like mexico?! YEAAHAWWW |
| 14:46.40 | dtzWill | *ahem*, i mean i wonder how the touchpad is selling in mexico these days |
| 14:46.50 | dtzWill | checks app sales reports for indirect check |
| 14:46.56 | dtzWill | makes bad attempt to get back 'on topic' :) |
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| 16:51.12 | Deihmos | is the new touchpad update suppose to fix the lag? |
| 17:04.31 | oc80z | what lag |
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| 17:05.58 | linuxjacques | he might mean scrolling lag |
| 17:07.02 | IGNTNUNLMTD | yeah, at 1.5 GHz, what lag? |
| 17:07.34 | PatrickC | lol |
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| 17:11.59 | Abyssul | Anyone familiar with the modem wakeup issue with the Pre2? |
| 17:12.32 | PatrickC | Abyssul: what's it do? |
| 17:12.58 | Abyssul | The modem in the Pre2 keeps the OS from going into an extended PS mode |
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| 17:13.04 | Abyssul | Which effectively kills the battery |
| 17:13.33 | Abyssul | if you look at the /var/log/messages file, the pre basically power down, then on, then off every second |
| 17:16.47 | kevets | yeah i get that same problem Abyssul |
| 17:17.06 | Abyssul | The WLAN driver keeps forcing the OS awake |
| 17:17.14 | kevets | i was just messing around trying to figure out what kernel/govnah settings to use to try and squeeze out more battery life |
| 17:17.24 | Abyssul | I would use nodoze to keep it awake all the time, but I hate that dashboard notification. I need a headless app |
| 17:17.48 | kevets | i am testing a patch called quiet powerd messages and it seems to do just that |
| 17:17.49 | Abyssul | Meh, fixing this problem would give the Pre 2 more battery than any kernel |
| 17:18.06 | Abyssul | That just muffles the logging |
| 17:18.08 | kevets | i quit running nodoze and installed the patch, and tested it |
| 17:18.17 | Abyssul | Doesnt fix the "not going into extended PS mode" problem |
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| 17:18.37 | kevets | yeah thats what i figured... thinking nodoze may still be best bet |
| 17:18.48 | Abyssul | Need someone to make it headless though |
| 17:18.58 | kevets | I am convinced this affects nearly all Pre 2's from the amount of replies it gets in the forums |
| 17:19.07 | Abyssul | It does |
| 17:19.09 | kevets | some people just maybe havent tested it to confirm |
| 17:19.14 | Abyssul | Its not hardware, but firmware |
| 17:19.34 | kevets | do you run the stock kernel or one of the oc'd ones |
| 17:21.46 | Abyssul | Stock |
| 17:22.46 | kevets | yeah i think i may stick with stock. don't really see how an oc'd kernel could do any better on battery |
| 17:23.00 | kevets | the sleep/wakeup thing is quite frustrating though |
| 17:24.23 | Abyssul | http://pastebin.com/rXiLwfKS |
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| 17:25.22 | kevets | what app do you use to get that? |
| 17:26.02 | kevets | or is that straight from the /var/log/messages |
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| 17:26.40 | kevets | that's pretty similar to what i get too |
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| 17:33.13 | Abyssul | straight from putty in /var/log/messages |
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| 17:33.34 | Abyssul | See the WLAN driver is forcing the OS awake |
| 17:37.03 | kevets | but it happens even with wifi disabled correct? |
| 17:37.09 | kevets | that's what i remember seeing |
| 17:37.20 | Abyssul | WLAN is cellular I think |
| 17:37.24 | Abyssul | ill try in airplace mode |
| 17:37.50 | kevets | ah |
| 17:38.03 | Abyssul | Holy crap... there is a device sleep toggle! |
| 17:38.09 | Abyssul | No need for nodoze |
| 17:38.35 | kevets | there is? |
| 17:39.02 | Abyssul | In the advanced system patches |
| 17:39.18 | Abyssul | If you hold the power button, "disable device sleep" is an option |
| 17:39.50 | kevets | oh interesting! |
| 17:42.48 | Abyssul | Doesnt seem to do it in airplane mode |
| 17:44.10 | kevets | hmm, i cant seem to get the popup messages when i monitor xterm |
| 17:44.19 | kevets | phone unplugged, nodoze not enabled. odd |
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| 17:49.19 | Abyssul | ooh. I got a message from palm about the dev program |
| 17:49.26 | Abyssul | I use putty |
| 17:49.55 | kevets | how do you get in using putty? i've got novaterm working now |
| 17:50.03 | Abyssul | I use openssh |
| 17:51.35 | kevets | ah so you can enable that on teh phone and then just ssh to its IP? i guess over wifi? |
| 17:55.33 | Lazar_Dobrescu | Hmm.. this channel says it's about WebOS internal and not webOS SDK usage, does that mean it's also not the place to ask things about WIDK? |
| 17:56.42 | linuxjacques | WIDK discussion is fine here. |
| 17:58.34 | Lazar_Dobrescu | aight... It seems like the instructions for setupping WIDK have changed quite a bit this past month... And I ran into some trouble... now I'm no longer sure if my setup is alright... is there a way to "rebuild it" without starting with a completely new folder? |
| 17:58.54 | Lazar_Dobrescu | also am I right that it wants me to have VirtualBox installed into my guest linux? (it wants to run VBoxManage) |
| 17:59.03 | Abyssul | kevets, you are correct |
| 18:00.06 | Abyssul | Reason I dont use experimental kernels is because the load averages are always high which is bad |
| 18:00.11 | kevets | trying the advanced system power menu patch now |
| 18:00.30 | Abyssul | Tell me if it gets rid of the OS sleep problem (it should) |
| 18:01.07 | kevets | yeah mine is back to stock now, trying to find the best battery life. if i can get by with this and not have to run nodoze that would be great |
| 18:02.51 | kevets | hmm disable sleep toggle isn't there. might have the wrong patch |
| 18:03.32 | linuxjacques | Lazar_Dobrescu: I wasn't aware the WIDK needed vbox |
| 18:03.48 | Lazar_Dobrescu | me neither... but the script failed with "VBoxManage: command not found" |
| 18:04.20 | Lazar_Dobrescu | ofc installing virtualbox inside the guest partially fails because it conflicts with the virtualbox tools that are already there |
| 18:04.32 | Lazar_Dobrescu | (when trying to insert their module into the kernel) |
| 18:04.36 | linuxjacques | Lazar_Dobrescu: which script? |
| 18:04.44 | Lazar_Dobrescu | the make setup one |
| 18:04.48 | dtzWill | Lazar_Dobrescu: it...shouldn't need vbox? do you have any information on what is requiring that/pastebin a log/etc? |
| 18:04.59 | Lazar_Dobrescu | lemme make a pastebin |
| 18:05.13 | dtzWill | Lazar_Dobrescu: thank you. :) |
| 18:07.19 | dtzWill | hmm i see, root makefile has that. |
| 18:07.39 | dtzWill | Lazar_Dobrescu: that's only for targeting the emulator |
| 18:07.52 | dtzWill | and uses vboxmanage to extract the image and play with it, i'd iamgine. |
| 18:08.10 | Lazar_Dobrescu | hmm |
| 18:08.26 | Lazar_Dobrescu | so would you just install virtualbox so it can do it ? |
| 18:08.36 | dtzWill | Lazar_Dobrescu: if you don't need that, try just 'make setup-archv7' |
| 18:08.44 | dtzWill | errm |
| 18:08.45 | Lazar_Dobrescu | ah |
| 18:08.48 | dtzWill | setup-armv7 |
| 18:08.50 | dtzWill | sorry :) |
| 18:09.12 | Lazar_Dobrescu | hehe ok... also quick question... the instructions no longer include "make stage"... but I guess I should still do that when the rest is done? |
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| 18:09.33 | Lazar_Dobrescu | anyhow the log is there now that you no longer need it: http://pastebin.com/GKuZuQED |
| 18:10.26 | dtzWill | Lazar_Dobrescu: probably not, that builds everything and takes forever :). |
| 18:10.30 | linuxjacques | I build things with widk all the time and I don't have vbox |
| 18:10.31 | Lazar_Dobrescu | ok |
| 18:10.32 | dtzWill | probably just wanna build the things you want/need |
| 18:10.37 | Lazar_Dobrescu | makes sense |
| 18:10.46 | linuxjacques | yeah make stage is overkill IMHO |
| 18:11.03 | Lazar_Dobrescu | linuxjacques: as dtzWill said, it's jkust for targetting the emulator so I guess I can forget about that |
| 18:11.14 | linuxjacques | ok |
| 18:11.24 | Lazar_Dobrescu | as long as I can get the makefile to get past that, which make setup-archv7 should |
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| 18:15.15 | Abyssul | kevets, did you add it in the settings for device sleep? |
| 18:15.28 | Abyssul | Hold the power button to pop the menu, then hold it again to open the setttings |
| 18:18.13 | Abyssul | "advanced system menus - power menu", make sure you have the framework installed too kevets |
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| 18:19.05 | kevets | ah.. didn't hit it twice. trying now |
| 18:20.10 | Abyssul | Holy crap |
| 18:20.24 | Abyssul | It makes my mA to 35ma on idle |
| 18:20.49 | kevets | wow that would be great |
| 18:20.57 | Abyssul | Im still experimenting with it in govnah |
| 18:20.59 | kevets | i recall never seeing anything below -130ma drain |
| 18:21.07 | Abyssul | Same |
| 18:21.16 | Abyssul | I see around 120 on idle if NOTHING is happening |
| 18:21.22 | kevets | what govnah settings are safe to mess with? |
| 18:21.25 | Abyssul | 500-600 with data going |
| 18:21.35 | Abyssul | Im not messing with the settings, just logging |
| 18:23.23 | kevets | ok gotcha. yeah i finally see the advanced power menu how to get in there and show the enable/disable sleep. restarting now for good measure then we'll see how it behaves |
| 18:24.00 | Abyssul | 120mA on idle with screen on |
| 18:24.25 | Abyssul | (note this is with govnah running too) |
| 18:24.41 | Abyssul | So you could expect lower when its not running |
| 18:26.29 | Abyssul | Once I get more readings over the day, I could experiment with the kernels tonight |
| 18:30.44 | Lazar_Dobrescu | what are you guys doing to attempt to reduce power consumption? |
| 18:33.36 | Abyssul | the Pre2 has a firmware problem where it doesnt go into extended PS mode |
| 18:34.08 | Abyssul | So instead of wasting cpu cycles and voltage on that neverending loop, we are just never letting that loop happen by keeping the pre2 awake |
| 18:34.23 | Abyssul | Which could mean better battery life |
| 18:34.31 | Lazar_Dobrescu | is that a problem of the pre2 itself or of webos2 |
| 18:34.46 | Abyssul | Both probably |
| 18:35.33 | kevets | do you use mode switcher Abyssul to enable/disable data.. stuff like that? |
| 18:35.43 | Abyssul | Na, mode switcher is confusing |
| 18:35.59 | Abyssul | I wanted to have it set the brightness based on what time of day it was |
| 18:36.04 | Abyssul | but it doesnt do brightness anymore |
| 18:36.38 | Abyssul | and I cant get it to distinguish between my home touchstone and car touchstone so I cant make a "driving" profile trigger automatically |
| 18:36.38 | kevets | i wish it did kb brightness. there was an app , quick system tasks that could do that real well but it didn't seem to work so hot after i doctored to 2.1.0 |
| 18:37.21 | Abyssul | screen on? 120mA screen off? sub-70mA :) |
| 18:37.31 | Abyssul | Lets see how battery life does today at work |
| 18:37.35 | kevets | lets see, idling around -100mA draw w/ data off |
| 18:37.44 | kevets | i'm in a crappy 3g area in this building so it kills it |
| 18:37.55 | Abyssul | I have data on cellular |
| 18:38.07 | kevets | strong signal area? |
| 18:38.18 | Abyssul | It jumps |
| 18:38.28 | Abyssul | Sadly my Pre2 now cant charge past 170mA |
| 18:39.19 | Abyssul | damn Pre <.< |
| 18:40.06 | Abyssul | laters |
| 18:40.14 | kevets | grr w/ 3g on its jumping to like -400mA draw |
| 18:40.16 | kevets | blah |
| 18:40.27 | Simon80 | hey dtzWill, are we going to keep our VBA versions in sync? |
| 18:41.33 | NuttyBunny | Abyssul: is it hot? |
| 18:44.48 | Simon80 | NuttyBunny: he's gone |
| 18:45.28 | Simon80 | or she, I don't know |
| 18:46.23 | NuttyBunny | Simon80: yeah... most devices stop charging when they're too hot, or limit their charging :) |
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| 19:09.07 | PatrickC | http://twitpic.com/5zgses 1.998GHz?!?!?!?! |
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| 19:15.34 | kevets | damn, is that a touchpad? |
| 19:18.55 | PatrickC | yes |
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| 20:03.44 | rrix | hmmm, so I redoctored, and dmesg claims that my pre doesn't have a /media/internal which drive mode is exposing |
| 20:03.51 | rrix | fdisk agress |
| 20:03.53 | rrix | agrees |
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| 20:39.52 | halfhalo-work | waits for 2.5GHz kernels. |
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| 20:55.59 | kevets | blah |
| 20:56.05 | kevets | why is the usb mode so freakin slow |
| 20:56.25 | kevets | this pre2 take forever for me to transfer a gig of podcasts |
| 20:57.46 | dwc- | dd takes awhile too |
| 20:58.35 | kevets | makes it tough to use as a media player |
| 20:59.45 | dwc- | that, and the default audio/video apps kinda suck |
| 21:00.15 | kevets | i do like music player remix - that thing is sweet |
| 21:00.22 | kevets | lovin the bookmarks for podcasts |
| 21:00.29 | dwc- | yea, that's not a default app |
| 21:00.42 | kevets | right |
| 21:07.48 | PatrickC | kevets: I will have local music playback in my app |
| 21:14.46 | kevets | you working on an app? |
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| 21:29.19 | NuttyBunny_Pre2 | PuffTheMagic: ping? |
| 21:30.36 | PatrickC | kevets: yes |
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| 21:46.32 | PatrickC | who's the main dev of Govnah? |
| 21:46.50 | summatusmentis | pr. sure it's oil |
| 21:46.57 | summatusmentis | might be oil and rwhitby together |
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| 21:47.31 | PatrickC | I was trying to use some code from Govnah (and just straight up look at some) and can't get it to work at all |
| 21:47.51 | summatusmentis | define "get it to work" |
| 21:48.27 | PatrickC | exactly what it says.. it won't work. won't let me launch the scene, won't do the showonfirstuse, etc. |
| 21:48.40 | PatrickC | I'm trying to make a changelog scene that shows only on first use |
| 21:48.53 | PatrickC | and I loved the way it was implemented into the wOSI apps |
| 21:48.59 | summatusmentis | what is "it" |
| 21:49.12 | PatrickC | the code |
| 21:49.51 | summatusmentis | who's code? which parts? you're gonna need to be way more specific to get help |
| 21:49.59 | summatusmentis | now, you should know, I don't have an answer for you |
| 21:50.14 | summatusmentis | but you need to provide people more information than "I can't get it to work" |
| 21:51.07 | PatrickC | I c/p'd the code from startup-assstant, startup-scene, and changelog.html |
| 21:51.22 | PatrickC | because I got frustrated, figured I misspelled something |
| 21:51.37 | PatrickC | I can paste the code/entire folder if needed |
| 21:53.01 | PatrickC | it keeps selling versionCookie is not defined |
| 21:53.28 | PatrickC | I put everything that had to do with versionCookie into my stageAssistant .. yet it still gives me the error |
| 21:53.44 | stbuehler | don't copy code you don't understand :P |
| 21:54.02 | PatrickC | I do understand it |
| 21:54.17 | PatrickC | but I copied the code to make sure I didn't misspell it |
| 21:55.02 | PatrickC | I don't see where they do anything but var vers = new veesionCookie(); |
| 21:56.51 | PatrickC | I've got to go.. thx for the help.. |
| 21:56.55 | PatrickC | I'll be back later |
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| 22:37.48 | NuttyBunny_Pre2 | mmm... |
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| 22:40.21 | PatrickC | hey NuttyBunny_Pre2 |
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| 22:41.25 | PatrickC | oil: ping? |
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| 22:43.55 | Abyssul-Pre | waits for flood of threads about how the update didnt fix everything. |
| 22:44.21 | PatrickC | lol |
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| 22:49.02 | Abyssul-Pre | where is the precentral app located? |
| 22:51.08 | Abyssul-Pre | I searched preware and only could find the crappy one |
| 22:52.03 | PatrickC | in the official catalog |
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| 22:52.16 | Abyssul-Pre | name? |
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| 22:53.23 | PatrickC | Precentral News (Unofficial) |
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| 22:54.55 | Abyssul-Pre | doesnt show up. got the appid? I'll just use impostah. It might be because I'm sprint Pre2 displayed as RoW. |
| 22:55.37 | PatrickC | 1 second |
| 22:56.16 | PatrickC | com.scienceapps.precentealnews (I think that's it) |
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| 22:57.33 | preMuhb | quick question... I have a franken at&t pre+ with a sprint comms board... if I wanted to throw a custom 2.1.0 doctor/OS on it, should I start with the meta-sprint-pre-2.1.0 or the meta-att-preplus-2.1.0 script? |
| 22:57.48 | LarrySteeze | sprint |
| 22:57.50 | Abyssul-Pre | haha, invalid app for device model. Palm you are silly... |
| 22:58.56 | summatusmentis | is it really com.scienceapps.precentealnews ? |
| 22:59.01 | LarrySteeze | is getting a veer in the mail tomorrow! Too bad I'm on sprint and will only be able to use it for testing purposes :-( |
| 22:59.15 | PatrickC | summatusmentis: I believe so |
| 22:59.28 | summatusmentis | t-e-a-l? |
| 22:59.30 | preMuhb | larry, and afterwards unpack and fix the tokens/activation information, correct? I did the tokens first but noticed the script didn't like my modded jar, so it redownloaded the sprint 145 image. |
| 22:59.33 | summatusmentis | not t-r-a-l? |
| 22:59.52 | PatrickC | oops.. misspelled |
| 22:59.59 | Abyssul-Pre | com.scienceapps.precentralnews |
| 23:00.00 | PatrickC | com.scienceapps.precentralnews |
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| 23:00.21 | summatusmentis | right |
| 23:00.26 | summatusmentis | just clarifying, because it'll matter |
| 23:00.39 | PatrickC | yep |
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| 23:01.02 | PatrickC | hrmm.. even Koto does the changelog the *same way* wOSI does it |
| 23:01.15 | summatusmentis | presumably because it works |
| 23:01.26 | LarrySteeze | you seem to know what you're doing premuhb...I think you'll be fine ;-) |
| 23:01.28 | PatrickC | yeah.. not for me :/ |
| 23:01.43 | LarrySteeze | anyone here tried amahi out at all? |
| 23:01.55 | summatusmentis | PatrickC: then I'm gonna go out on a limb, and say you're doing it wrong |
| 23:02.04 | PatrickC | but idk where... |
| 23:02.12 | preMuhb | not really, haha. I'm just stumbling through the wiki pages, trying to improvise a bit, heh |
| 23:02.22 | PatrickC | they only define var vers = new veesionCookie(); once |
| 23:02.30 | PatrickC | I can't find out where else they use it |
| 23:02.34 | PatrickC | an that throws an error |
| 23:02.42 | LarrySteeze | I've installed amahi on a VM, even though I'm not a huge fedora fan, and I'm not sure if I'm sold on it over linuxmce |
| 23:03.08 | LarrySteeze | Well I commend you for at least looking at the wiki |
| 23:07.13 | PatrickC | summatusmentis: here's my changelog assistant http://pastebin.com/XxjL68kb |
| 23:07.36 | summatusmentis | dude, I don't know anything about the code |
| 23:07.48 | PatrickC | oh. ok |
| 23:07.54 | PatrickC | anyone else? |
| 23:08.00 | LarrySteeze | gimme a sec |
| 23:08.31 | LarrySteeze | are you encountering a specific issue? |
| 23:08.35 | PatrickC | yes |
| 23:08.42 | LarrySteeze | sorry, you probably said something that I missed |
| 23:08.42 | PatrickC | lemme paste my stageAssistant too |
| 23:08.46 | PatrickC | that's fine |
| 23:09.04 | PatrickC | http://pastebin.com/L23hpq5j |
| 23:09.27 | PatrickC | if I put the versionCookie in the setup, or where it currently is, it throws an error |
| 23:09.42 | LarrySteeze | in which function |
| 23:09.48 | LarrySteeze | either one? |
| 23:10.00 | LarrySteeze | brb' |
| 23:10.03 | PatrickC | setup |
| 23:10.03 | PatrickC | ok |
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| 23:14.38 | LarrySteeze | you're starting versioncookie before the function? |
| 23:14.48 | PatrickC | that's how they do it |
| 23:15.00 | PatrickC | and if I place it in setup, it still thrown the error |
| 23:15.23 | LarrySteeze | I guess I've always done it wrong |
| 23:15.44 | PatrickC | I have always done it in the setup too.. |
| 23:15.48 | PatrickC | that's why it confused me |
| 23:16.36 | PatrickC | I can give you the src I got it from.. if that would help |
| 23:16.40 | LarrySteeze | but it's only referenced the once...hold on |
| 23:16.54 | PatrickC | ok |
| 23:17.02 | LarrySteeze | and I'm sorry...I'm in the final stages of making barbacoa, so I just have to make sure the bottom doesn't burn |
| 23:17.23 | PatrickC | lol that's fine |
| 23:17.35 | PatrickC | and we should probably take this chat to #webos or PM.. |
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| 23:54.29 | plem | for xecutah and xserver , is the developer firmware still needed with the new update? |
| 23:54.46 | dtzWill | plem: very good question! someone try it and lmk! :D |
| 23:54.57 | dtzWill | i'd imagine not, but i haven't personally investigated. |
| 23:55.04 | summatusmentis | I just tried it, works fine |
| 23:55.12 | plem | how would I know if it worked or did not? |
| 23:55.31 | summatusmentis | the reason the dev firmware was needed was because of a bug in the vkb |
| 23:55.47 | summatusmentis | but the vkb pops right up in xecutah in 3.0.2 |
| 23:56.27 | plem | ok. time to play with some lvm and install ubuntu . can't wait! |
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