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| 00:48.15 | PuffTheMagic | summatusmentis, give it up, no pre3 for sprint |
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| 00:49.05 | summatusmentis | PuffTheMagic: based on what? |
| 00:49.36 | summatusmentis | that statement is not any more grounded in anything than the rumors that pre3 is coming to sprint, you know? |
| 00:50.16 | PuffTheMagic | sure it is |
| 00:50.30 | summatusmentis | care to elaborate? |
| 00:50.51 | Lumiere | he's got a + by his name |
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| 00:51.15 | summatusmentis | me too :) |
| 00:51.44 | oil | lol |
| 00:52.02 | summatusmentis | I've seen nothing solid that indicates one way or the other whether the pre3 is coming to sprint |
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| 00:52.18 | PuffTheMagic | well first the pre3 for sprint "rumors" are more like questions if you read any of the posts, they are not based on anything more than hope, sprint didnt get the pre2, and we know they got raped in the ass from having to service the pre's |
| 00:52.24 | PuffTheMagic | they will never get another sprint slider |
| 00:52.37 | PuffTheMagic | the lack of info about them getting a pre3 speaks volums |
| 00:52.42 | PuffTheMagic | volumes |
| 00:52.59 | summatusmentis | there's always lack of info about phones coming out until they come out |
| 00:53.01 | singmajesty | We don't have any information about any other carriers getting a Pre 3, do we? |
| 00:53.05 | summatusmentis | no |
| 00:53.19 | PuffTheMagic | non US there is evidence |
| 00:53.43 | singmajesty | It looks like Sprint is aiming to go completely in with Android |
| 00:53.48 | summatusmentis | yes, I have seen those headlines, haven't read it |
| 00:54.04 | summatusmentis | singmajesty: VZW has a pretty proven track record of doing the same thing though |
| 00:54.05 | singmajesty | They also make profit when you upgrade to a new phone, and keep your contract. webOS users are known to be loyal |
| 00:54.12 | PuffTheMagic | singmajesty, i'd be willing to bet sprint is waiting for a webos slab |
| 00:54.30 | PuffTheMagic | something with no slider |
| 00:54.33 | oil | my 2 years are up with sprint |
| 00:54.37 | oil | ill probably go where the pre3 does |
| 00:54.46 | PuffTheMagic | oil, same here, but i wont be leaving sprint |
| 00:54.48 | singmajesty | I think that Verizon and AT&T can afford to offer a wider selection of phones, since they both charge twice what Sprint does |
| 00:54.57 | PuffTheMagic | not paying out the ass on vzw or att |
| 00:55.14 | singmajesty | I'm not sure what will happen with Sprint, but whatever happens, I think it is up to them, not up to Palm or HP |
| 00:55.27 | singmajesty | 1.) Does said carrier want said device? |
| 00:55.34 | summatusmentis | my 2 years are up also, but I'm on an awesome plan on Sprint |
| 00:55.39 | singmajesty | 2.) Does another carrier want an exclusive more badly than said carrier? |
| 00:55.43 | oil | and hp has more money/influence then palm did |
| 00:55.57 | PuffTheMagic | singmajesty, im not sure you are going with these points |
| 00:56.04 | PuffTheMagic | of course its up to the carrier |
| 00:56.22 | summatusmentis | PuffTheMagic: I can't find the article I'm thinking of, but they cited what they called a reliable source for a 4G Pre3 on sprint |
| 00:56.31 | summatusmentis | and it was one of the major webos news sites |
| 00:56.46 | PuffTheMagic | 4G Pre3 lol |
| 00:56.46 | PuffTheMagic | no |
| 00:57.25 | summatusmentis | I'm not saying it's happening, I'm just repeating what I read |
| 00:57.28 | PuffTheMagic | maybe fake 4g like the veer |
| 00:57.37 | summatusmentis | well, it's all fake 4g |
| 00:58.14 | singmajesty | PuffTheMagic: I have heard a lot of people who talk about "Palm abandoning Sprint" or getting angry at Palm when it really is up to the carrier |
| 00:58.38 | singmajesty | PuffTheMagic: I know it is a "no-brainer" but a lot of people don't think of things that way |
| 00:58.49 | PuffTheMagic | singmajesty, the talk about "palm abandoning sprint" had to do with palm employees and personal phones |
| 00:59.01 | PuffTheMagic | and not being able to use new testing devices cause sprint didnt want them |
| 00:59.06 | PuffTheMagic | so they moved to other carriers |
| 00:59.15 | PuffTheMagic | palm didnt "abandon sprint" |
| 00:59.33 | PuffTheMagic | the employees just moved to where they could currently use their new phones |
| 00:59.33 | singmajesty | Yeah, much the opposite, I suppose |
| 01:00.05 | singmajesty | I changed to T-Mobile, then AT&T because I wanted to use a Pre 2 and a Veer |
| 01:00.34 | singmajesty | Luckily I have a corporate wireless plan -- makes AT&T more appealing |
| 01:00.35 | PuffTheMagic | im not changing carriers when its not even clear webos will be alive in a year or 2 |
| 01:01.04 | summatusmentis | I don't believe webos is going away |
| 01:01.19 | singmajesty | I really like the Veer. The TouchPad is just around the corner, then a 3G TouchPad and Pre 3 will come later |
| 01:01.32 | singmajesty | They have more devices lined up afterwards |
| 01:01.32 | summatusmentis | I would maybe believe that it'll be relegated to #3 or #4, in enterprise, or whatever |
| 01:01.44 | PuffTheMagic | summatusmentis, sure its not going away, it will just be on printers |
| 01:02.01 | summatusmentis | have you been watching the stuff about webos in enterprise? |
| 01:02.04 | singmajesty | enyo.Toaster is here to stay |
| 01:02.14 | summatusmentis | HP seems to be putting their eggs in one basket, so to speak |
| 01:02.16 | PuffTheMagic | summatusmentis, iphone has citrix too |
| 01:02.54 | summatusmentis | citrix is not an HP product |
| 01:03.13 | PuffTheMagic | i know... but that is an enterprise selling point |
| 01:03.22 | PuffTheMagic | which u just brought up |
| 01:03.41 | singmajesty | Citrix, Skype, Kindle |
| 01:03.43 | summatusmentis | it's one of them, yes, but there's been a lot of talk about the push they're making in enterprise |
| 01:04.04 | PuffTheMagic | talk means nothing |
| 01:04.05 | singmajesty | VPN and good corporate mail support |
| 01:04.09 | summatusmentis | there was an article about HP partnering with some teleconferencing company |
| 01:04.33 | summatusmentis | by talk, I mean articles reporting on moves HP is making |
| 01:04.37 | summatusmentis | not wild conjecture |
| 01:04.46 | singmajesty | If I had to get some work done and wanted a tablet, I would rather use webOS over another platform. Multi-tasking alone is huge |
| 01:04.51 | PuffTheMagic | its still meaningless |
| 01:05.04 | singmajesty | I think it will be interesting to see if the TouchPad takes off. It could either way |
| 01:05.04 | PuffTheMagic | hardware that runs webos sucks |
| 01:05.18 | PuffTheMagic | i dont see them gaining much market share |
| 01:05.33 | singmajesty | HP is pushing to sell it everywhere you can find a laptop or printer, so Staples, Costco, WalMart, etc. |
| 01:05.39 | Tibfib | someone's not very positive.. |
| 01:05.51 | singmajesty | It has better hardware than the iPAd |
| 01:05.53 | singmajesty | iPad |
| 01:06.06 | summatusmentis | meaningless? by that argument, nothing is a valid stance to take until the devices come |
| 01:06.12 | singmajesty | 1.2 Ghz processor, 1GB RAM |
| 01:06.16 | PuffTheMagic | singmajesty, no it doesnt, its not better in 1 category |
| 01:06.29 | Tibfib | PuffTheMagic: why are you still here? |
| 01:06.36 | Tibfib | what keeps you with webOS? |
| 01:06.37 | summatusmentis | it's better than the iPad1, iPad2 caught up |
| 01:06.42 | PuffTheMagic | Tibfib, i love webos |
| 01:06.48 | singmajesty | iPad 2 only has 512 MB of memory |
| 01:06.56 | singmajesty | and 1 Ghz processor, I think |
| 01:07.04 | PuffTheMagic | i can love webos but have no faith in its staying power |
| 01:07.22 | singmajesty | Yes, that is definitely possible :) |
| 01:08.46 | PuffTheMagic | i guess you are right about the specs |
| 01:08.51 | PuffTheMagic | i though the ipad had more mem |
| 01:09.14 | PuffTheMagic | but i dont think u can compare cpu speeds between an A5 and snapdragon |
| 01:09.56 | Tibfib | sure. but hte touchpad has been pretty speedy in most of hte vids |
| 01:10.03 | Tibfib | dang, hte twice? |
| 01:10.14 | halfhalo | hte is the new the |
| 01:10.30 | PuffTheMagic | Tibfib, a video in isolation doesnt say much |
| 01:10.38 | roxfan | you mean the new teh |
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| 01:11.01 | summatusmentis | PuffTheMagic: it's nowhere near isolation, there's been a fair amount of videos |
| 01:11.02 | PuffTheMagic | Tibfib, dont get me wrongi think webos is the best mobile os, but idk how hp is gonna steal devs and users away from the android machine |
| 01:11.06 | Tibfib | I disagree. it shows quite a bit |
| 01:11.15 | PuffTheMagic | summatusmentis, not side by side with an ipad running the same app |
| 01:11.19 | PuffTheMagic | thats what i mean by isolation |
| 01:11.26 | summatusmentis | because the apps would not be the same? |
| 01:11.30 | summatusmentis | oh, I see |
| 01:11.31 | Tibfib | yeah ? |
| 01:11.54 | singmajesty | It's pretty fast |
| 01:12.06 | singmajesty | Oh, yeah. That's hard to test |
| 01:12.27 | singmajesty | iPad developers can use 40 MB of memory. 128 MB or so for iPad 2, I think |
| 01:12.42 | singmajesty | I successfully used 682 MB of memory in one TouchPad app |
| 01:12.56 | singmajesty | 400 MB + four other games before running out of memory |
| 01:13.10 | PuffTheMagic | congrats? |
| 01:13.29 | singmajesty | In the end, it's about the experience and not just specs, though, but that was fun from a development perspective |
| 01:13.37 | Tibfib | singmajesty: heh, couldn't that get out of hand if devs use that much? |
| 01:13.59 | PuffTheMagic | sure would |
| 01:14.48 | halfhalo | heh... an app using 1023MB... |
| 01:15.08 | Tibfib | waits for halfhalo to make said app |
| 01:15.32 | singmajesty | Well, you know the "too many cards" error? |
| 01:15.40 | halfhalo | "what does your app do?" "uses all your ram" "oh, so its a vista clone?" |
| 01:15.43 | singmajesty | That happens when an app says it requires X amount of memory, but that isn't available |
| 01:16.05 | singmajesty | So the OS tries to preemptively deal with memory management most of the time |
| 01:16.17 | Loudergood | heh, I've never actually seen that error...but then I never owned anything with less ram than a pre plus |
| 01:16.28 | Tibfib | never?? |
| 01:16.31 | singmajesty | I'm not saying that devs SHOULD use that much memory in their apps, but imagine that many games are designed for the iPad... 40 MB to 128 MB |
| 01:16.42 | PuffTheMagic | i never see that error either on my pixi |
| 01:16.54 | singmajesty | That means you might be able to run 17 games before the OS will stop assigning memory |
| 01:17.01 | PuffTheMagic | then again, i dont keep 5 games running at once |
| 01:17.04 | Tibfib | used to see it all the time on pre- |
| 01:17.11 | singmajesty | Yeah, I have only seen it once on a Pre Plus, I think |
| 01:17.23 | PuffTheMagic | why would anyone keep 5 games open, thats retarded |
| 01:17.31 | halfhalo | hasn't seen it since his plus days |
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| 01:18.27 | singmajesty | No, that isn't the point |
| 01:18.40 | singmajesty | Maybe you have a Flash video, plus your email, plus your calendar, plus four websites open... |
| 01:18.50 | singmajesty | You know, a common scenario on a desktop, maybe? |
| 01:19.07 | halfhalo | what is this desktop you speak of |
| 01:19.09 | singmajesty | You can relax and use it like a computer |
| 01:19.11 | singmajesty | haha |
| 01:19.19 | singmajesty | *top |
| 01:19.31 | Loudergood | throw in spaz, facebook, and angry birds and that's pretty much how I use my pre2.. |
| 01:19.33 | singmajesty | Like you would do on your something-top |
| 01:19.50 | singmajesty | Imagine if your laptop only let you run one app at a time? |
| 01:19.54 | Tibfib | woot spaz |
| 01:19.57 | singmajesty | That sounds retarded to me ;) |
| 01:20.04 | summatusmentis | spaz is slow :( |
| 01:20.11 | Tibfib | enyo yo |
| 01:20.12 | halfhalo | so are the devs |
| 01:20.15 | halfhalo | BAZING |
| 01:20.17 | Tibfib | hahaah |
| 01:20.27 | halfhalo | kids, he kids |
| 01:20.28 | summatusmentis | Tibfib: I mean, fair enough |
| 01:21.23 | PuffTheMagic | most webos apps start so fast i dont see the point in keeping them open all the time |
| 01:21.41 | summatusmentis | not on my pre- :( |
| 01:21.45 | PuffTheMagic | on only thing that needs to stay open all the time is wIRC |
| 01:21.51 | PuffTheMagic | ;) |
| 01:21.56 | Loudergood | that's usually during one of my ADD fits |
| 01:21.58 | singmajesty | Its when you're looking at a website, then you get a notification and you check your email, then you start writing a response while looking up a couple references in your calendar and another website or two ... |
| 01:22.09 | singmajesty | wIRC for a TouchPad would be cool :) |
| 01:22.12 | singmajesty | I would use that |
| 01:22.22 | Loudergood | se...when I'm doing that is when I love my phone the most |
| 01:22.32 | summatusmentis | Loudergood: I agree |
| 01:22.51 | summatusmentis | it's a nice feeling to be able to be productive, use my phone the way I want to |
| 01:22.54 | Tibfib | yessss wIRC |
| 01:22.55 | Loudergood | and my 2 month long inability to spell a complete sentence continues |
| 01:22.56 | PuffTheMagic | singmajesty, if hp sent me a tp i would start working on it |
| 01:23.10 | Tibfib | PuffTheMagic: get in line |
| 01:23.31 | PuffTheMagic | i have better things to do with my time than stand in line |
| 01:23.40 | PuffTheMagic | I do want to get R working on the touchpad though |
| 01:23.52 | PuffTheMagic | doing stats and graphing would be nice on that |
| 01:23.53 | halfhalo | R? |
| 01:24.02 | PuffTheMagic | an opensource stats program |
| 01:24.02 | summatusmentis | the stats language |
| 01:24.04 | PuffTheMagic | its baller |
| 01:25.25 | summatusmentis | I never really learned it |
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| 01:26.22 | PuffTheMagic | its not hard, and i wont pay for SPSS |
| 01:27.48 | singmajesty | I think that a TouchPad would be fun with a TouchStone and a bluetooth keyboard |
| 01:28.09 | PuffTheMagic | bt keyboard is lame |
| 01:28.09 | singmajesty | My only problem is that I like programming too much to not be able to do development |
| 01:28.13 | PuffTheMagic | may as well get a laptop |
| 01:28.31 | singmajesty | It would be neat to have a JS editor to edit an Enyo app on the device, or...? I don't know |
| 01:29.13 | singmajesty | My wife loves Kindle, Sparkles, web browsing, using it for recipes |
| 01:29.39 | singmajesty | I like being able to watch a video or check my email, but I do use my laptop more for work |
| 01:29.46 | summatusmentis | singmajesty: by JS editor, do you mean an IDE? |
| 01:30.40 | singmajesty | Yeah |
| 01:30.58 | halfhalo | cloud9ide |
| 01:31.18 | singmajesty | Dave Balmer told me to check that out |
| 01:31.43 | halfhalo | theres your first problem |
| 01:34.18 | Tibfib | is sooo happy sparkle is going to available for tp |
| 01:42.27 | singmajesty | Has Rod Whitby been around today? |
| 01:43.05 | Loudergood | he should be up soon |
| 01:43.26 | Loudergood | he usually is anyway. |
| 01:44.31 | singmajesty | We have the Google Location Services issue flagged as an A candidate for an upcoming webOS 3.x build |
| 01:44.50 | singmajesty | In time for an Australian/New Zealand release of the TouchPad, I believe |
| 01:45.30 | singmajesty | I also filed the webOS 2.x Pre/Pre Plus app catalog submission bug, which I think we'll be able to take care of |
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| 03:16.51 | PatrickC | lol |
| 03:17.24 | PatrickC | Tommy doesn't troll here yet? |
| 03:17.34 | Loudergood | guess not |
| 03:19.42 | summatusmentis | I hope it stays that way >_> |
| 03:20.08 | PatrickC | ^^ me too |
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| 13:29.51 | BobbyDHarrell | I really like the new preware.org |
| 13:30.12 | BobbyDHarrell | did you use enyo or mojo framewark to make it? or just style it yourself with CSS? |
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| 16:10.14 | jtrucks | how can I reset to full defaults and wipe any patches out? |
| 16:10.24 | jtrucks | i.e. start completely factory clean? |
| 16:10.44 | phoque_uni | jtrucks, use the doctor |
| 16:10.49 | jtrucks | webos doctor? |
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| 16:10.53 | phoque_uni | yup |
| 16:10.58 | jtrucks | okay, thanks! |
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| 16:21.43 | jtrucks | wiping now. |
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| 18:32.48 | Kamguro | hey all - VZW Pre Plus owner here |
| 18:33.19 | oilsworkn | sprint pre minus owner here |
| 18:34.05 | NuttyBunny | Telcel Pre-, AT&T Pre+, Sprint Pre-, Unlocked Pre2, AT&T Pixi Plus here |
| 18:34.11 | Kamguro | just had my Pre+ replaced for the 8th time... I've had the 1.4.5.1 update done... do I need to dl a new WebOSQI? cause it's not connecting?.. also - should I skip that and go to WebOS 2.*? |
| 18:36.04 | oilsworkn | eh |
| 18:36.04 | oilsworkn | well, i wasn't going to list all my devices xD |
| 18:36.10 | Loudergood | lol |
| 18:36.12 | oilsworkn | Kamguro: devmode! |
| 18:36.20 | oc80z | heh |
| 18:36.24 | oilsworkn | upupdowndownleftrightleftrightbastart |
| 18:36.29 | Loudergood | konami code! |
| 18:36.47 | Kamguro | geesh devmode - sumbitch... after my first 7 you would think i'd remember that |
| 18:37.00 | Kamguro | I left the ocean... it's too current... |
| 18:37.29 | Kamguro | o.k. - so should I upgrade to WebOS 2.* or keep it simple? |
| 18:38.29 | Kamguro | my biggest pain in the ass is resetting all my e-mails - (31 of them) twitter accounts (17) - etc etc etc |
| 18:38.42 | oilsworkn | too many email/twitter accounts is your first problem |
| 18:38.43 | oilsworkn | haha |
| 18:40.06 | oilsworkn | i personally run 145 on my sprint pre- |
| 18:41.34 | Loudergood | yeah I kept my gf's pre+ on 145 |
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| 18:42.42 | Kamguro | lol yeah - but i wish i didn't have to restart all the games over, reload pandora, re download everything, (247 apps) is there a way to back up that data to transfer it back into a pre once you doc it? |
| 18:43.31 | Loudergood | yes and no |
| 18:44.01 | Loudergood | save restore would work for the app data |
| 18:44.19 | Loudergood | the the apps themselves should reinstall when you log into the palm profile |
| 18:44.26 | Loudergood | just try to get wifi up quick |
| 18:45.07 | Kamguro | I've done the save restore - all it ever seems to do is.... nothing... |
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| 18:45.50 | Kamguro | thanks for reminding me about konami.. i'm a moron... peace all |
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| 18:49.32 | Loudergood | well, you have to manually copy the files from the saverestore directory to one on your new phone |
| 18:49.47 | Loudergood | and don't restore until after the apps are reinstalled |
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| 19:34.12 | rrix | good god, something is derped with ssl on this thing :( |
| 19:34.39 | rrix | is getting some error from the browser when he tries to connect to his self signed site |
| 19:35.02 | rrix | it's not prompting me to trust the cert like it should, and spouting off "error 2035" |
| 19:35.13 | rrix | which is a generic "something went wrong" from libcurl :( |
| 19:37.22 | rrix | is curious if there is any ssl handshake logging... nothing in /var/log/messages, it seems |
| 19:40.09 | rrix | There's nothing in my server's logs |
| 19:46.28 | rrix | curl -v from the terminal gives me a lead, at least... /me dives in to the googles |
| 19:50.28 | destinal | ~seen rwhitby |
| 19:50.42 | infobot | rwhitby is currently on #webos-internals (19h 54m 7s). Has said a total of 2 messages. Is idling for 9h 36m 27s, last said: 'morning'. |
| 19:52.04 | oil | heh |
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| 19:58.11 | rrix | tries to force libcurl in to choosing a ssl version without asking the server per http://curl.haxx.se/mail/archive-2010-03/0069.html |
| 19:58.32 | PatrickC | I'm wanting to update my patch to a tweak, and can't find and documentation on how to make a tweak.. |
| 20:00.06 | PatrickC | where would I find that documentation? thanks |
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| 20:24.33 | PatrickC | anyone? |
| 20:32.07 | Kamguro | sorry Patrick - i wasn't in here b4 u typed ur last |
| 20:32.25 | PatrickC | I'm wanting to update my patch to a tweak, and can't find and documentation on how to make a tweak.. |
| 20:32.30 | PatrickC | where would I find that documentation? thanks |
| 20:33.03 | Kamguro | wow - um that's more advanced than where I'm at.... nothing in Internalz Dox? |
| 20:33.28 | PatrickC | Internalz wouldn't have anything about that I don't think |
| 20:34.25 | Kamguro | so you have a patch you made - and is a "tweak" a step up from a patch? |
| 20:34.31 | PatrickC | I made the "Change Just Type to launch Universe" patch, and want to turn it into a tweak |
| 20:34.43 | PatrickC | yeah, a tweak is a step up I think |
| 20:34.59 | Kamguro | I'm tryng to figure out how to access my old pre's usb w/o a palm profile |
| 20:35.20 | zandi | like what... the filesystem? get a terminal? |
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| 20:35.28 | PatrickC | what device os? |
| 20:35.30 | Kamguro | Oh I get you - so instead of being availlable in the patches - it's in the list of tweaks |
| 20:35.32 | PatrickC | 1.4.5/2.1? |
| 20:35.40 | Kamguro | ]1.4.5 pre+ Vzw |
| 20:35.49 | PatrickC | bypass activation |
| 20:36.03 | PatrickC | its still a patch, but it will do more then just 1 thing |
| 20:40.21 | PatrickC | found the documentation |
| 20:42.31 | Kamguro | will that wipe my USB though? |
| 20:42.37 | Kamguro | where was the dox at? |
| 20:43.00 | PatrickC | on the dev site |
| 20:43.05 | zandi | Kamguro: if it's the one i've used, it just disables the activation screen |
| 20:43.06 | PatrickC | http://developer.palm.com |
| 20:43.16 | PatrickC | zandi: correct |
| 20:43.19 | zandi | devicetool.jar? or has mine been renamed somehow? |
| 20:44.22 | PatrickC | that's the one |
| 20:44.29 | Kamguro | so if I have the old Pre= on and it's asking me to sing in to profile.. I turn it off - hold power button etc and webosDoc it with activation bypass?? I thought that when you Doc it - the whole thing gets wiped? |
| 20:44.49 | PatrickC | don't doctor! |
| 20:45.19 | Kamguro | lol - I'm not doin a damn thing til someone tells me to |
| 20:45.38 | PatrickC | when in recovery mode run the devicetool.jar |
| 20:46.16 | PatrickC | or we can extract the entire directory via novaterm, but that's more complicated :) |
| 20:46.31 | zandi | heh |
| 20:46.44 | Kamguro | not sure what recovery mode is.. I've only ever doctored a device, then dev mode'd it - then installed preware.. |
| 20:47.00 | zandi | yeah, just do the recovery/flash mode thing and run devicetool |
| 20:47.11 | PatrickC | take out battery |
| 20:47.11 | Kamguro | all i know is I need to get all the mp3's i paid for through pandora |
| 20:47.17 | zandi | battery out, hold volume up, plug it in, insert battery, let go of volume up |
| 20:47.20 | Kamguro | battery out |
| 20:47.22 | zandi | and watch the screen |
| 20:47.28 | PatrickC | what zandi said :) |
| 20:47.41 | zandi | (i left out the bits about "no battery" and "usb" logos) |
| 20:47.43 | PatrickC | look for USB symbol |
| 20:48.04 | zandi | if it starts to boot up (says "palm") you did it wrong. |
| 20:48.11 | Kamguro | usb symbol |
| 20:48.22 | Kamguro | on screen |
| 20:48.32 | PatrickC | plug into PC |
| 20:48.36 | PatrickC | run devicetool.jar |
| 20:49.02 | Kamguro | where is devicetool.jar - would i have that somewhere? or do I need to DL it |
| 20:49.24 | zandi | you have to write it |
| 20:49.35 | zandi | (jk) |
| 20:49.36 | Kamguro | FML |
| 20:49.39 | Kamguro | ass |
| 20:49.40 | Kamguro | lol |
| 20:49.40 | PatrickC | hahahahahaha |
| 20:49.43 | PatrickC | dl it |
| 20:49.49 | Kamguro | dick |
| 20:49.50 | Kamguro | lol |
| 20:49.54 | PatrickC | <PatrickC> http://developer.palm.com |
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| 20:50.00 | PatrickC | that site is ur friend |
| 20:50.07 | PatrickC | hey oilsworkn |
| 20:50.11 | oilsworkn | hey |
| 20:50.19 | Kamguro | that was good.. i won't admit it ever |
| 20:50.33 | Kamguro | but that was a good one.. |
| 20:50.50 | zandi | well, /someone/ had to write it initially |
| 20:51.03 | zandi | was probably a PITA for a while though |
| 20:53.08 | Kamguro | so - I'm assuming it's in Resources... |
| 20:53.35 | PatrickC | I believe so |
| 20:53.37 | PatrickC | google |
| 20:53.46 | PatrickC | Developing on an unactivated device palm |
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| 20:58.25 | Kamguro | awesome... I picked up a spare pre+ (tricked Verizon) - I have several app ideas... have to familiarize myself with the OS... |
| 20:58.55 | zandi | i've heard that dev is actually pretty easy, what with the javascript & everything |
| 20:58.59 | zandi | haven't tried it for myself yet thoguh |
| 20:59.00 | PatrickC | "tricked" vzw? |
| 20:59.07 | PatrickC | dev is easy |
| 20:59.25 | zandi | well, how about this. suppose i want to just write something in C then run it from a terminal |
| 20:59.33 | zandi | would that be practically identical to dev on linux? |
| 20:59.38 | PatrickC | idk |
| 20:59.46 | PatrickC | I don't know any C (yet) |
| 20:59.46 | zandi | hmmm |
| 20:59.52 | zandi | i guess i'm about to find out, lol |
| 20:59.55 | PatrickC | #webos for that question :) |
| 21:00.28 | PatrickC | "from terminal" meaning "palm-launch appid" ? |
| 21:00.28 | Kamguro | well "tricked" is - I got my Pre+ when they were buy one get one... I was a crackberry b4 that... so my gf broke hers.. I ordered a replacement for mine - sent hers back.. viola 2 working pre+s |
| 21:00.28 | zandi | but #webos-internals seems like a more involved area |
| 21:00.37 | zandi | um. novaterm? |
| 21:01.09 | PatrickC | zandi: #webos is for development, #webos-internals is for hacking :) |
| 21:01.20 | zandi | that's what i thought |
| 21:01.21 | PatrickC | I've never used novaterm to launch an app |
| 21:01.34 | zandi | well, i don't care if it's visible to the user, i just want it to run |
| 21:01.43 | Kamguro | I want to get flash to work on a pre+ - pipedream no? |
| 21:02.00 | PatrickC | not a pipedream at all |
| 21:02.03 | summatusmentis | not pipedram |
| 21:02.06 | PatrickC | I run flash on a pre- |
| 21:02.13 | summatusmentis | if you install 2.1 w/ meta-doctor, you can put flash on it |
| 21:02.19 | PatrickC | 2.1 is a necessity though |
| 21:02.25 | summatusmentis | can't get flash with stock 1.4.5 |
| 21:02.38 | zandi | summatusmentis: absolutely can't? or it's totally impractical can't? |
| 21:03.05 | summatusmentis | zandi: as I understand it, there are no binaries available |
| 21:03.10 | PatrickC | I believe its impossible, but I'm not totally sure |
| 21:03.13 | summatusmentis | so, absolutely can't? |
| 21:03.46 | zandi | i see |
| 21:03.59 | zandi | i think i mistakenly thought source would've been available |
| 21:04.06 | zandi | but it's flash, so there isn't |
| 21:04.13 | Kamguro | brb.. have to meet with a client |
| 21:04.52 | PatrickC | cya |
| 21:05.10 | summatusmentis | zandi: right, flash was a partnership w/ adobe, there's no source for it |
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| 21:09.37 | optimistic | My friend gave me his Palm Pre (P100UEU) upgraded to webOS 2.1.0 but I cannot create a Palm Profile on it. Any ideas? |
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