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| 02:40.20 | Judas-C | sorry to hear about the feeds being blocked |
| 02:42.21 | Judas-C | what about the other 3rd party apps that grab palm beta feeds |
| 02:44.08 | Judas-C | like appscoop |
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| 02:45.15 | Loudergood | yup |
| 02:45.31 | Loudergood | all of em |
| 02:46.20 | Judas-C | are those devs even around anymore |
| 02:47.28 | Loudergood | that I have no idea about |
| 02:47.38 | Judas-C | so what is the reason behind the blackout |
| 02:48.49 | ka6sox-home | says something smart like "sunspots" |
| 02:49.30 | Judas-C | lol or eclipse |
| 02:52.16 | Judas-C | and the app catalog is still a piece of sh!t but then I'm on 1.4.5.1 |
| 02:52.44 | ka6sox-home | git pull |
| 02:53.19 | Judas-C | pull? |
| 02:54.07 | ka6sox-home | sorry...refreshing something...an include file I've been waiting for. |
| 02:55.59 | halfhalo | gogogadget irc terminal! |
| 02:56.19 | Judas-C | lol |
| 02:57.18 | Judas-C | wonder if hp is turning their backs on homebrew |
| 02:58.08 | Nuttybunny | Judas-C: I don't think so |
| 02:59.12 | Loudergood | I think they're transitioning to something new and their execution is poor |
| 02:59.39 | Nuttybunny | As it has always been |
| 03:00.54 | Loudergood | indeed |
| 03:01.05 | Loudergood | HP hasn't sorted that one out yet |
| 03:01.50 | Nuttybunny | I bet the code is a true mess :D |
| 03:02.14 | Judas-C | sure does sound like a turning their back |
| 03:04.06 | Nuttybunny | not exactly, it's HP, they're covering holes for enterprise users. Turning their back on homebrew would imply blocking unauthorized installations, or app nuking a'la Android |
| 03:04.48 | Judas-C | that's next |
| 03:04.59 | ka6sox-home | why is everyone so gloomy...we aren't dead... |
| 03:05.02 | Nuttybunny | Palm has always known exactly what apps you have on your device, and they let you run them even if you are not authorized. |
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| 03:05.39 | Nuttybunny | Bah, we had this discussion back when HP bought Palm, and we're still here. |
| 03:06.44 | ka6sox-home | right |
| 03:06.58 | Judas-C | well they also lied about webos 2.0 |
| 03:07.12 | Nuttybunny | really? |
| 03:08.04 | Nuttybunny | They did release it |
| 03:08.22 | Judas-C | ohh you don't call that an outright lie. saying the palm pre will get 2.0 then say no luck to pre users |
| 03:08.35 | Nuttybunny | they knew webos-internals would step in and help with meta doctor |
| 03:08.40 | Judas-C | still have to hack i |
| 03:08.41 | Judas-C | it |
| 03:08.58 | Judas-C | not everyone can do it that way |
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| 03:10.04 | Nuttybunny | You have to understand that to make a new OS on an old device takes money and lots of effort. I'm happy they switched their efforts to the veer, TP and enyo |
| 03:10.05 | Judas-C | for one I don't have a computer |
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| 03:10.21 | Nuttybunny | And your connection isnt too good ;) |
| 03:10.21 | halfhalo | fail connection |
| 03:10.31 | Nuttybunny | LOL |
| 03:11.29 | Loudergood | also with a name like Judas... |
| 03:11.32 | Nuttybunny | why does he complain? can't he just go and get a free Veer? ;) |
| 03:11.47 | Nuttybunny | or a $50 one? .. |
| 03:11.50 | halfhalo | Lol |
| 03:11.59 | bpadalino | on sprint ? |
| 03:12.05 | Nuttybunny | or is he one of the Android/iOS lovers that lurk around |
| 03:12.09 | halfhalo | Bah sprint |
| 03:12.26 | Nuttybunny | on sprint they can get a verizon/at&t/unlocked pre2 and switch boards |
| 03:13.00 | bpadalino | so having a phone under warranty isn't really an option |
| 03:13.32 | Nuttybunny | Is sprint really that cheap that users feel the need to stay with them? |
| 03:14.26 | th3vo1d | yes |
| 03:14.54 | th3vo1d | especially for data heavy use |
| 03:15.33 | Nuttybunny | Even with those announcements of sprint cutting the cord as well as verizon? |
| 03:15.55 | Nuttybunny | those stupid carriers, instead of limiting the users they should upgrade their equipment :@ |
| 03:16.02 | th3vo1d | its $70 a month for unlimited everything except voice calls out of network |
| 03:16.35 | th3vo1d | Nuttybunny: what? |
| 03:16.56 | Nuttybunny | ok, ok, not sprint, just verizon :) |
| 03:17.12 | Nuttybunny | spreads FUD |
| 03:17.16 | th3vo1d | "cutting the cord? |
| 03:18.02 | Nuttybunny | I think I read something in P|C, about cutting unlimited data plans, maybe I was wrong |
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| 03:20.05 | th3vo1d | every time ive heard that expression, it referred to cable tv subscribers cancelling tv service in favor of internet content delivery |
| 03:22.15 | Nuttybunny | ah, ok, sorry then... of course I'm the worst person to trust about those matters, I'm not even in the right country |
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| 03:59.05 | tmzt | it could also refer to abandoning landline based voice service, but that's almost done now, it would seem to removing unlimited plans (which weren't really unlimited) is supposed to reverse that for people going over the top with VoIP but that doesn't seem to be a significant trend yet |
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| 07:53.40 | thor968 | Hi everybody. |
| 07:54.41 | thor968 | Finally wIRC works even for Me, |
| 07:55.20 | thor968 | thanks for that :-) |
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| 15:30.32 | navinag | So is there a work around to resolve the app catalog issues with a meta-doc sprint pre2 |
| 15:31.34 | navinag | I can reinstall the updated apps with impostah...but what about new ones that i have not purchased? HOw do i see them and or install them if the app catalog will not populate and show them to me? |
| 15:32.51 | NuttyBunny | navinag: First of all, what version do you see in palm.com/profile ? |
| 15:33.00 | navinag | 2.1 |
| 15:33.39 | navinag | 2.1.0 |
| 15:33.48 | navinag | Device name is blank |
| 15:34.11 | navinag | Everyting was working fine for months until HP recently changed the app catalog? |
| 15:34.35 | NuttyBunny | that's weird, you should be seeing every 2.1 app :S |
| 15:35.20 | navinag | I though the issue was related to HP making some change to the app catalog? |
| 15:36.04 | navinag | http://www.webosroundup.com/2011/06/app-catalog-troubles-for-meta-doctored-devices/ |
| 15:37.00 | Loudergood | pretty sure that was a mistake on HP's part and they fixed it |
| 15:37.21 | navinag | When will the fix be implemented |
| 15:37.37 | navinag | I dont see some of the apps i have installed on my pre2 in the app catalog |
| 15:37.43 | Loudergood | I'm not having any problems with my meta doctored device? |
| 15:37.46 | navinag | like Music Player Remix |
| 15:37.52 | Loudergood | what are you using to browse the catalog? |
| 15:37.55 | navinag | and Aodiophile |
| 15:38.25 | navinag | The "App Catalog" |
| 15:39.43 | navinag | The updated App Catalog version 2.0.22300 |
| 15:40.51 | navinag | Should the Palm profile have a "device name" on the website? |
| 15:41.18 | NuttyBunny | I can't help, my AT&T Pre+ reports itself as 1.4.5, my Pixi as 9.9.9 and my Telcel as 1.4.0. And I see those apps on the Pre2 :( |
| 15:42.59 | Loudergood | yeah I've got a meta doctored pre2 that doesn't seem to be able to see those..how odd |
| 15:44.38 | navinag | Yeah..As a result...You cant see the new apps..Like the ones on precentral front page for new apps |
| 15:53.30 | navinag | no one else other than Loudergood and I having these issues on their meta-doc sprint pre 2? |
| 15:56.05 | haeffb_pre | can not see MR on frankenPre2 |
| 15:57.27 | Loudergood | AdoraTMI-YokoOno: did you guys get that fixed yet? or was I mistaken? |
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| 16:08.38 | navinag | Chuq just indicated that they are still working on the app catalog issues |
| 16:09.05 | navinag | Explained in this article: http://www.webosroundup.com/2011/06/app-catalog-troubles-for-meta-doctored-devices/ |
| 16:10.12 | NuttyBunny | Hey chuqi! were you able to see "that"? :) |
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| 17:19.04 | PuffTheMagic | Adora, what comes after line ending checks? |
| 17:20.07 | haeffb_pre | spell checks |
| 17:20.10 | Loudergood | PuffTheMagic: new app catalog back end that's broken in new ways of course ;) |
| 17:20.53 | stbuehler | i'd blame ipv6 today :) |
| 17:22.17 | stbuehler | btw: linux uses LF (\n), mac CR (\r) and windows (and http+many other protocols) CRLF (\r\n) |
| 17:23.19 | PuffTheMagic | ya think we dont know that? |
| 17:23.24 | cryptk | lol |
| 17:23.44 | PuffTheMagic | Adora hates me, always ignores me |
| 17:23.58 | stbuehler | well, most linux devs know about the linux and windows ending, yeah :) |
| 17:24.26 | Loudergood | it's just one more annoying anachronism |
| 17:31.17 | chuqui | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34ag4nkSh7Q |
| 17:34.47 | NuttyBunny | nice :) |
| 17:40.54 | cryptk | lol @ chuqui |
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| 18:37.29 | matbee | bzzzz |
| 18:42.04 | zandi | hi? |
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| 19:02.36 | GwidionR | for info: Save/restore isn't able to restore browser boomarks on webos 2.1 with O2 Pre+ |
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| 19:09.04 | GwidionR | Hi, somebody listening? |
| 19:10.07 | zandi | yes? |
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| 19:24.06 | MetaView | hi |
| 19:28.46 | rwhitby | morning |
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| 19:33.06 | kill_dano | How do I make impostah tell my palm profile I'm on a Pre 2? |
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| 19:33.33 | rwhitby | You cannot. |
| 19:33.58 | rwhitby | Let me repeat it again: "The device record is set once at first activation and can never be changed." |
| 19:34.02 | kill_dano | Cool thanks... I'm trying to get 2.0 apps on my franken pre 2, ideas? |
| 19:34.18 | rwhitby | the app catalog is broken. you cannot. |
| 19:34.29 | kill_dano | Thanks rod |
| 19:35.52 | kill_dano | Rod, ever have a device Wifi stop working? My Pre 2's wifi doesn't turn on I saw it's likely a hardware problem. just started for no reason I know of |
| 19:36.01 | zandi | hm. i wonder how they set the device record so that it can't be changed again |
| 19:36.30 | rwhitby | zandi: if (!deviceRecord) { deviceRecord = input } |
| 19:36.49 | zandi | oh, so if you modify the phone, you'd be able to change it? |
| 19:36.57 | rwhitby | no |
| 19:36.58 | zandi | i wasn't sure if they were doing something crazy or not |
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| 19:37.01 | rwhitby | it's server side |
| 19:37.12 | zandi | ah |
| 19:37.12 | rwhitby | unless you're able to change Palm's server code somehow |
| 19:37.16 | zandi | i see |
| 19:37.42 | Volcom45 | any of you turned a Veer into a dev device? trying to figure out how.. keeps going though this animation of inserting a SIM card, and doesn't seem to let me type webos20090606 to place in developer mode |
| 19:37.58 | rwhitby | Volcom45: #*DEVMODE |
| 19:38.04 | rwhitby | oops #*DEVMODE# |
| 19:38.08 | Volcom45 | ah, thx Rod |
| 19:38.55 | zandi | say, has anyone hacked around on the pixi plus? |
| 19:39.57 | rwhitby | many |
| 19:40.06 | Volcom45 | not sure how this happened, but this marketing company for HP contacted me saying congratulations i'm in the Veer Peer program.. sent me a free veer and they just want me to play with it and help them come up with videos or pics taken by it in my life for HP's facebook page |
| 19:40.28 | Volcom45 | I never signed up or anything, pretty cool though |
| 19:41.52 | navinag | Volcom45: Sound like you have no use for that device..You can reroute it to my address. It not like you were planning on using it :) |
| 19:42.04 | Volcom45 | haha |
| 19:42.16 | Volcom45 | well as a Sprint user, don't really want to sign up for AT&T |
| 19:42.29 | PuffTheMagic | more of a reason to send it to me |
| 19:42.34 | navinag | hahah |
| 19:43.32 | Volcom45 | but lol |
| 19:43.45 | Volcom45 | tempting |
| 19:43.48 | zandi | heh. i'd like it |
| 19:43.51 | zandi | well. maybe |
| 19:44.03 | zandi | actually, nah. there's probably someone else in here who could use it more |
| 19:44.06 | Volcom45 | wonder if I could just go month-to-month on AT&T with it |
| 19:44.10 | Volcom45 | with no contract |
| 19:44.23 | Volcom45 | or if they'd still require a contract for a data plan |
| 19:44.44 | Volcom45 | if i was going to give it to anyone, it'd be Rod |
| 19:45.05 | Volcom45 | but going to play with it for awhile first.. see what I think of a small phone |
| 19:46.44 | NuttyBunny | steals Volcom45's Pixi |
| 19:46.47 | NuttyBunny | err... Veer ;) |
| 19:46.59 | Volcom45 | lol |
| 19:47.00 | NuttyBunny | Collapsible Super Pixi |
| 19:47.30 | navinag | I checked it out yesterday and found it to be pretty snappy...and did i mention how SMALL it was |
| 19:47.37 | navinag | impressive for such a small phone |
| 19:50.44 | dwc- | volcom: at&t does have prepaid plans |
| 19:50.49 | dwc- | that are month-month |
| 19:52.23 | rwhitby | Volcom45: I have a veer coupon and donations from the tear-down - you keep the phone and be an ambassador |
| 19:55.06 | Volcom45 | :) |
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| 20:10.27 | NuttyBunny | I just noticed... in the developer portal, in "Community", what are they going to do with the "Custom Catalogs" section? Just delete it? :S |
| 20:13.21 | PuffTheMagic | our local news paper had a article on the Veer the other day |
| 20:13.30 | PuffTheMagic | tore it a new one |
| 20:14.16 | PuffTheMagic | how the hell is webOS ever gonna take off if its only available on shit phones that get released super slow |
| 20:14.22 | rwhitby | NuttyBunny: yes, I have advised Chuq that they might as well delete that forum section |
| 20:18.46 | NuttyBunny | *sigh* ... but the three catalogs will still exist, am I right? |
| 20:18.56 | NuttyBunny | (official, beta, web) |
| 20:20.49 | rwhitby | I have had no official word on that, so I assume yes. |
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| 21:54.49 | brddvn13 | anyone? |
| 21:55.27 | brddvn13 | need help with web doctoro and preware etc |
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| 22:30.54 | dwc- | waited a whole part of a minute that one |
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| 22:50.15 | Adora | so....does anyone know what time I'm eating dinner tonight? |
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| 22:53.12 | NuttyBunny | Adora: It depends on you finishing to review all those tons of 3.0 apps you have in queue... ;) so, my take is... really late? :S |
| 22:53.28 | Adora | ha =] |
| 22:53.38 | NuttyBunny | plays with words to see if Adora spills apps info |
| 22:53.40 | NuttyBunny | :D |
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| 23:15.10 | Volcom45 | Adora |
| 23:15.21 | Volcom45 | how's about approving Phnx twitter client tonight :) |
| 23:15.25 | Volcom45 | por favor |
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| 23:33.08 | rwhitby | Adora: my guess is you're eating it at dinner time. |
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| 23:43.41 | beingBoston | Evening future Touchpad owners |
| 23:44.21 | beingBoston | NuttyBunny: how are you doing? |
| 23:44.50 | NuttyBunny | beingBoston: struggling with enyo :) |
| 23:45.25 | beingBoston | NuttyBunny: it's a noble struggle i'm sure |
| 23:45.36 | beingBoston | NuttyBunny: are you under the NDA? |
| 23:46.19 | NuttyBunny | yep |
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| 23:49.25 | beingBoston | question for the hive mind: my Pre 2 is still throwing the "CPU-specific initialization failed" when i try to Dr it with the stock 2.1 GSM unlocked Dr. It gets to 12% and fails leaving me with the novaterm and not much else |
| 23:49.43 | NuttyBunny | but the name "enyo" can be named! or is it as well under NDA? should I still be referring to it as "Fight Club"? :) |
| 23:50.12 | NuttyBunny | beingBoston: I'll happily embrace your Pre2 as one of my testing devices if you don't manage to fix that ;) |
| 23:50.14 | beingBoston | NuttyBunny: lol, first rule of Enyo is, you don't talk about Enyo |
| 23:50.53 | beingBoston | NuttyBunny: that's about what i'm at right now. this is just about my biggest nerd foul so far |
| 23:51.45 | beingBoston | NuttyBunny: it was working fine at one point, but i didn't realize that the tokens didn't need to br brought over |
| 23:52.04 | NuttyBunny | but they can be reflashed, can't they? |
| 23:52.27 | beingBoston | NuttyBunny: that's the answer i'm looking for |
| 23:52.44 | beingBoston | NuttyBunny: how to recover a pre2 from this error... |
| 23:53.24 | beingBoston | if it is a loose i'm more then happy to donate it to webOS internals. write it off on my taxes :-) |
| 23:53.31 | beingBoston | loss* |
| 23:53.51 | NuttyBunny | you say that you copied the tokens from another device, right? |
| 23:54.23 | beingBoston | yes, but when i access the device via novaterm and look at the tokens they are the orignal tokens |
| 23:55.11 | NuttyBunny | not reversed as rwhitby was suggesting? |
| 23:55.34 | beingBoston | correct, i went through each one by hand and they are the tokens right from the box |
| 23:55.53 | beingBoston | even compared them using notepad++ |
| 23:55.57 | beingBoston | identical |
| 23:57.12 | NuttyBunny | I'm no expert, but it sounds to me like "CPU-specific initialization failed" could mean that the Doctor thinks you have another device, a Pre, and it refuses to flash. Of course, I might be mistaken, and rwhitby will promptly come and kick me for saying stupid things ;) |
| 23:58.06 | beingBoston | is there somewhere deeper then the tokens that could be effecting the dr? something that marked this as a Pre -? |
| 23:58.33 | NuttyBunny | I say you create a meta doctor with the flag that ignores the device type |
| 23:58.48 | beingBoston | interesting Idea |
| 23:59.03 | NuttyBunny | no, the tokens say the device type, modem, carrier, there should be no more than that |
| 23:59.14 | beingBoston | and very doable :) |
| 23:59.18 | beingBoston | i'll try that out now. |
| 23:59.42 | NuttyBunny | good luck :) |