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| 00:03.31 | TheRoomW | is there a way to login to my profile on a palm pre after upgrading it to webos 2 with the --wifi-only flag? |
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| 00:14.56 | JetUni | Hey, for some reason my Pre+ on 2.1 won't load past a certain point in Luna. Early enough that I can't connect to it with Novaterm. Is there anything I can do besides doctor? |
| 00:17.56 | PatrickC_Pre2 | TheRoomW: Gesture Tutorial should work |
| 00:18.15 | PatrickC_Pre2 | JetUni: Memboot? |
| 00:18.41 | JetUni | How do I do a Memboot? |
| 00:18.53 | TheRoomW | PatrickC_Pre2: thanks I will give it a try |
| 00:19.14 | PatrickC_Pre2 | TheRoomW: make sure airplane mode is off too :) |
| 00:19.50 | TheRoomW | PatrickC_Pre2: yeah I kind of thought I would have to, I had it on for a bit and it caused all kinds of problems lol |
| 00:20.13 | PatrickC_Pre2 | JetUni: http://en.m.webos-internals.org/wiki/Memboot?wasRedirected=true |
| 00:21.22 | JetUni | K thx, I'll go over that and see if I have any questions |
| 00:31.45 | NuttyBunny | JetUni: ping |
| 00:32.13 | NuttyBunny | PatrickC_Pre2: First ask how they installed on their Pre's :P |
| 00:37.10 | JetUni | Ping? |
| 00:37.50 | NuttyBunny | yep |
| 00:38.05 | NuttyBunny | something says ping and you answer |
| 00:38.30 | NuttyBunny | pong or whatever you like, it's to call you :) |
| 00:38.52 | NuttyBunny | What did you use to install 2.1 on your ... Pre +? |
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| 00:41.41 | NickNick | good evening |
| 00:42.08 | NuttyBunny | good evening :) |
| 00:43.39 | JetUni | I used the scripts from webos-internals |
| 00:44.39 | NuttyBunny | JetUni: And you used the scripts on what operating system? |
| 00:44.56 | JetUni | Windows 7x64 |
| 00:45.25 | NuttyBunny | ok, and have you recently read the wiki or the upgrade thread? |
| 00:46.01 | JetUni | I've glanced at it and noticed some changes |
| 00:46.30 | NuttyBunny | some subtle but VERY important changes I might say my friend |
| 00:47.04 | NuttyBunny | In a nutshell: Don't use windows to create your doctor, you'll have a hard time figuring what's wrong |
| 00:47.30 | JetUni | Yes I have noticed such things as the Cygwin and stuff |
| 00:47.50 | NuttyBunny | yep, using windows with cygwin will render your doctor unreliable |
| 00:47.56 | JetUni | All I have is Windows... |
| 00:48.14 | JetUni | I tried a VM of Ubuntu but that totally failed... |
| 00:48.26 | NickNick | JetUni: it's pretty easy to make a bootable linux CD/DVD |
| 00:48.34 | NickNick | most of the distros will do that |
| 00:48.57 | JetUni | I'll brb in about 30 min or so...sorry |
| 00:49.09 | NuttyBunny | ok, if you return we may be able to help |
| 00:50.20 | NickNick | NuttyBunny: i used a mac to get 2.1. Am i right that you can just boot off of a CD to make the custom doc? |
| 00:51.06 | TheRoomW | PatrickC_Pre2: the gesture tutorial worked to load the profile |
| 00:51.34 | NuttyBunny | NickNick: If you used a mac you're fine. But you must install linux somewhere to make the doc, you just won't get enough space using a live cd |
| 00:52.38 | PatrickC_Pre2 | TheRomW: cool |
| 00:52.51 | NickNick | gotcha. knew i was fine, but wasn't sure if a live cd could use 5ish GB disc space needed for the process. |
| 00:54.14 | NuttyBunny | NickNick: It can, if you have the knowledge to create a file to mount a loopback filesystem, a thing that most people don't have the slightest idea of what it is :D |
| 00:54.44 | NickNick | heh. that goes for me too :) |
| 00:56.41 | NuttyBunny | hehehe... that's the reason the Wiki asks politely to install ubuntu, wubi is a nice option. Mac users, since the OS is unix based, have no problems |
| 00:59.21 | PatrickC_Pre2 | OSX is unix basted? |
| 00:59.26 | PatrickC_Pre2 | based* |
| 01:00.06 | NuttyBunny | BSD in fact |
| 01:01.50 | NickNick | deliciously basted in unix :) |
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| 01:23.32 | M4X | Evening everyone |
| 01:23.38 | PatrickC_Pre2 | evening |
| 01:23.39 | NickNick | hey |
| 01:23.56 | M4X | I've got a quick question for you gys. |
| 01:24.02 | PatrickC_Pre2 | ok |
| 01:24.54 | M4X | I got my unlock Pre 2 in as well as had Lasik surgery today. I don't feel up to trying the mechanical aspect of switching com boards (I currently have a Pre-). If I doctor this thing wifi only I would be able to redoctor tomorrow after I switched com boards? |
| 01:25.21 | PatrickC_Pre2 | I have no clue.. |
| 01:25.28 | M4X | Fair enough. |
| 01:25.47 | PatrickC_Pre2 | I would expect so, but idk |
| 01:26.10 | PatrickC_Pre2 | wants to get Lasik, but doesn't want them to cut his eye open.. :p |
| 01:26.15 | M4X | I felt the same way but I don't want to screw it up. Thanks for the quick response nonetheless i'll see if i can dig around. |
| 01:26.22 | M4X | lol PatrickC_Pre2 they do it all with lazers now |
| 01:26.40 | PatrickC_Pre2 | really? |
| 01:26.40 | halfhalo | LASERS |
| 01:26.46 | PatrickC_Pre2 | might get it now.. |
| 01:26.58 | halfhalo | have to be 20ish for lasik |
| 01:27.05 | PatrickC_Pre2 | :'( |
| 01:27.06 | M4X | go check it out. My recovery time is like 24 hours. |
| 01:27.12 | M4X | Nah I am 28 |
| 01:27.14 | PatrickC_Pre2 | I'm 15.. |
| 01:27.18 | M4X | lol |
| 01:27.25 | PatrickC_Pre2 | :) |
| 01:27.31 | halfhalo | at least 20ish I mean |
| 01:27.40 | M4X | ah that i am not sure about. |
| 01:30.02 | PatrickC_Pre2 | hehe.. my pre2 is off in time by 55 days, 3 hrs, and 3 min :p |
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| 01:33.12 | NickNick | M4X: i think if you skip first activation you will be OK. I know once it's activated that locks in some things with HP. |
| 01:33.51 | M4X | I remember something about the app catalog where if this was activated in australia for instance I would only see their app catalog. |
| 01:34.26 | NickNick | right, so i think you need to skip activation for the time being. |
| 01:34.50 | NickNick | Also, i believe that if the device isn't activated you can fake out your location in order to get app cat full access |
| 01:34.54 | NickNick | there's a precentral thread on it |
| 01:35.16 | JetUni | Ok, I'm back. So I tried the Memboot option...It's still booting up so I'll give it another minute |
| 01:35.22 | M4X | Thanks NickNick I'll see if I can find it. |
| 01:36.03 | NickNick | http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre-2/276361-sprint-pre-2-full-app-catalog-access-finally-we-have-success.html |
| 01:36.21 | NickNick | haven't read it myself, as i'm on VZW, but thats likely the state of the art |
| 01:36.54 | NickNick | JetUni: memboot? |
| 01:37.07 | NickNick | are you booting from a cd? |
| 01:38.00 | JetUni | I was trying to get my phone to boot without doctoring and someone suggested Memboot, but its been at it for at least 4 minutes, so far nothing |
| 01:38.13 | JetUni | It just won't boot past Luna |
| 01:38.19 | NickNick | ah |
| 01:38.55 | NickNick | give it some time. Mine takes like 5+ min to boot non memboot. |
| 01:38.56 | PatrickC_Pre2 | JetUni: that was me that suggested it |
| 01:39.17 | PatrickC_Pre2 | but I suggested it without knowing that it was a cygwin made meta-doctor |
| 01:39.26 | JetUni | PatrickC_Pre2 i thought it was u...just didn't want to look back |
| 01:39.33 | PatrickC_Pre2 | lol |
| 01:39.41 | JetUni | oh haha alright |
| 01:39.47 | NickNick | JetUni: just install ubuntu |
| 01:39.55 | NickNick | or WUBI |
| 01:40.13 | PatrickC_Pre2 | JetUni: ubuntu or any linux distro in a VBox should work |
| 01:40.52 | JetUni | Basically just tell me the easiest way to copy /media/internal to my computer plz? Thx! |
| 01:41.34 | PatrickC_Pre2 | I don't believe you can without novacom access (or putting it into USB mode) |
| 01:41.50 | NickNick | that would have been the thing to do before doctoring... :( |
| 01:42.01 | NickNick | Maybe from memboot, i don't know... |
| 01:43.29 | NuttyBunny | You may do it like the meta doctor creates the backups |
| 01:44.05 | JetUni | My phone has worked fine with the Cygwin doctor for months now, I just was playing around in Internalz Pro and I guess I messed something up pretty bad |
| 01:44.33 | NuttyBunny | basically: extract the installer kernel from the webos doctor, mount your partitions, and send them compressed via novacom |
| 01:45.17 | NuttyBunny | ah, I forgot bootmem from the installer image :) |
| 01:45.57 | NuttyBunny | dare to try? you don't have nothing to lose |
| 01:46.08 | JetUni | In English plz! Haha ;) I guess I could |
| 01:46.29 | JetUni | The WUBI installer isn't working.... :( |
| 01:46.37 | NuttyBunny | :D Ok, so, you played with internalz and deleted files that you shouldn't |
| 01:47.03 | PatrickC_Pre2 | doctor usually fixes that :) |
| 01:47.09 | NuttyBunny | you downloaded the ubuntu image, burned it to a cd, inserted it while running windows, and opened wubi? |
| 01:47.23 | NuttyBunny | or you downloaded the "windows installer" from the ubuntu page? |
| 01:47.26 | JetUni | didn't delete any...just changed a few appinfo.json |
| 01:47.27 | NickNick | NuttyBunny: i bow down before your superior knowledge |
| 01:47.53 | NuttyBunny | NickNick: I owe everything to my mentor, rwhitby ;) |
| 01:47.58 | JetUni | I downloaded windows installer |
| 01:48.03 | NuttyBunny | no, no |
| 01:48.15 | NuttyBunny | go to the wiki page, I added a note to avoid that one :P |
| 01:48.16 | PatrickC_Pre2 | JetUni: usually changing some appinfo.json 's doesn't break things.. |
| 01:48.24 | PatrickC_Pre2 | which appinfo.json? |
| 01:48.32 | JetUni | Stock apps |
| 01:48.46 | JetUni | Phone, Web, Messaging, Email |
| 01:48.58 | NuttyBunny | but... you really can't access via novaterm?? |
| 01:48.59 | scoutcamper | yeah, that would prolly do it |
| 01:49.01 | PatrickC_Pre2 | what did you change in them? |
| 01:49.04 | JetUni | nope |
| 01:49.20 | NuttyBunny | nevermind... well get your files |
| 01:49.20 | JetUni | visible=false |
| 01:49.26 | NuttyBunny | LOL |
| 01:49.29 | JetUni | K sweet |
| 01:49.50 | PatrickC_Pre2 | JetUni: that shouldn't brick it.. |
| 01:50.02 | JetUni | I know...wierd right! |
| 01:50.11 | NuttyBunny | you need: novacom, ... and nothing else I think |
| 01:50.16 | JetUni | the wubi installer finally woke up! |
| 01:50.18 | PatrickC_Pre2 | I change those all the time.. |
| 01:50.43 | NuttyBunny | if anyone else want to join the fun pay attention, we're going to recover a /media/internal partition from a dead device ;) |
| 01:51.17 | JetUni | Do I want the WUBI then? |
| 01:51.33 | NuttyBunny | To create a new doctor, yes |
| 01:51.39 | PatrickC_Pre2 | NuttyBunny: cool! |
| 01:51.44 | NuttyBunny | leave it downloading/installing :) |
| 01:51.57 | JetUni | oh jeez! |
| 01:52.14 | JetUni | remaining time approx. 1 hr.... |
| 01:52.44 | NuttyBunny | Everybody: You may even want to try this on your devices, we won't write nothing to them, but we'll have to boot in recovery mode |
| 01:53.08 | M4X | hm? |
| 01:53.11 | NuttyBunny | we need to uncompress the webos doctor, any recent doctor will do, even a borked meta doctor |
| 01:53.11 | PatrickC_Pre2 | I'll write down the instructions |
| 01:53.29 | PatrickC_Pre2 | NuttyBunny: is there a wiki page for this? |
| 01:53.42 | NuttyBunny | not exactly |
| 01:54.06 | NuttyBunny | but I might as well write one... "Recover your data from a non-booting device" :D |
| 01:54.09 | NuttyBunny | sounds nice :) |
| 01:54.11 | JetUni | I still have the old Cygwin doctor |
| 01:54.31 | JetUni | Or a 2.1 WR |
| 01:54.39 | JetUni | or 2.0.1 Verizon Pre2 |
| 01:54.43 | NuttyBunny | That will work, any will work |
| 01:54.50 | NuttyBunny | uncompress it somewhere on your drive |
| 01:54.59 | JetUni | got it |
| 01:55.14 | PatrickC_Pre2 | NuttyBunny: it does sound nice :) |
| 01:55.29 | NuttyBunny | .jar files are simply zip files with another extension, so, you could change it's extension and open it, or open it with winrar |
| 01:55.59 | PatrickC_Pre2 | I use 7zip |
| 01:56.11 | M4X | NuttyBunny: Do you know if I can run the wifi only doctor to only then later doctor it to sprint (for an unlocked Pre 2) |
| 01:56.40 | NuttyBunny | M4X: I don't see why not |
| 01:57.03 | JetUni | should I put it in recovery mode? |
| 01:57.06 | NuttyBunny | ok, inside the doctor you'll find 3 directories, com, META-INF, resources |
| 01:57.12 | JetUni | alright |
| 01:57.24 | NuttyBunny | yep, put it in recovery mode, that's fun also |
| 01:57.40 | NuttyBunny | inside resources you'll find "webOS.tar" |
| 01:57.55 | NuttyBunny | uncompress this one |
| 01:58.11 | JetUni | ok |
| 01:58.13 | PatrickC_Pre2 | is documenting this in Noted! Beta |
| 01:58.20 | NuttyBunny | and there you'll find a truly magical file: nova-installer-image-roadrunner.uImage (or something similar) |
| 01:58.32 | NuttyBunny | a file with "nova-installer*.image" |
| 01:59.18 | NuttyBunny | now, extract this file to some directory, even to C:\ will work |
| 02:00.35 | NuttyBunny | everyone here knows how to do a failproof recovery mode? |
| 02:00.56 | NickNick | not me |
| 02:01.07 | NuttyBunny | ok, look: |
| 02:01.10 | PatrickC_Pre2 | pull batt, hold vol up, insert usb cable, reinsert battery |
| 02:01.17 | NuttyBunny | exactly :) |
| 02:01.29 | PatrickC_Pre2 | :) |
| 02:01.32 | JetUni | OK |
| 02:01.39 | NickNick | ahh, just like the wiki says. imagine that ;) |
| 02:02.04 | JetUni | Haha yup |
| 02:02.19 | NuttyBunny | Now, we have to be running novacomd service |
| 02:02.35 | NuttyBunny | if we don't, the following step simply won't work :) |
| 02:02.47 | PatrickC_Pre2 | NuttyBunny: I'll email the entire steps to you if you want |
| 02:02.53 | NuttyBunny | Thanks :D |
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| 02:03.14 | NuttyBunny | open a terminal, go to where you copied the image: |
| 02:03.16 | NuttyBunny | C: |
| 02:03.17 | NuttyBunny | cd \ |
| 02:03.19 | JetUni | So in the Windows Task Manager under Services is NovacomD |
| 02:03.31 | NuttyBunny | Excellent |
| 02:04.05 | JetUni | cd C:/ OK |
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| 02:05.12 | NuttyBunny | novacom -w boot mem:// < archive.image <--- the archive.image is, in my example, nova-installer-image-roadrunner.uImage |
| 02:05.24 | NuttyBunny | so I would run novacom -w boot mem:// < nova-installer-image-roadrunner.uImage |
| 02:06.19 | NuttyBunny | now, wait about 40 secs for it to boot |
| 02:06.35 | NuttyBunny | you should see the pengiun/hp logo, static, just sitting there |
| 02:07.36 | JetUni | Penguin all the way!! haha |
| 02:07.44 | NuttyBunny | hehehe |
| 02:07.56 | PatrickC_Pre2 | lol |
| 02:07.58 | NuttyBunny | now, for the mounting commands, this is where the fun begins |
| 02:08.17 | NuttyBunny | novacom -w run file://usr/sbin/lvm.static -- vgscan --ignorelockingfailure |
| 02:08.21 | JetUni | I even changed the Luna logo to Palm and Penguin |
| 02:08.28 | JetUni | Ok |
| 02:08.34 | NuttyBunny | novacom -w run file://usr/sbin/lvm.static -- vgchange -ay --ignorelockingfailure |
| 02:09.09 | NuttyBunny | novacom -w run file://bin/mkdir -- -p /tmp/media |
| 02:09.30 | NuttyBunny | novacom -w run file://bin/mount -- /dev/mapper/store-media /tmp/media |
| 02:09.48 | NuttyBunny | with that we should have our media filesystem mounted |
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| 02:10.32 | NuttyBunny | and now, at last, we get our files: |
| 02:10.36 | JetUni | the first command hasn't changed anything yet... |
| 02:10.55 | JetUni | still on penguin logo |
| 02:10.57 | NuttyBunny | no, you won't see anything, it should just return you to the prompt |
| 02:11.10 | JetUni | hasn't yet... |
| 02:11.16 | NuttyBunny | mmm... |
| 02:11.57 | NuttyBunny | not good... lemme do it too |
| 02:14.28 | NuttyBunny | what command didn't work? |
| 02:15.24 | JetUni | first one with vgscan |
| 02:16.03 | NuttyBunny | stupid windows... if you run novaterm , can you connect? |
| 02:17.16 | JetUni | Yeah...I think so. It gave me a Port # etc |
| 02:17.17 | scoutcamper | NuttyBunny, on windows you can do novacom -t open tty:// |
| 02:18.12 | NuttyBunny | scoutcamper: But the command should have sent some output :S |
| 02:18.30 | NuttyBunny | JetUni: is it just sitting there? like waiting? |
| 02:18.35 | JetUni | yup |
| 02:18.45 | NuttyBunny | if you press enter? |
| 02:18.57 | NuttyBunny | if you press ctrl-C ? |
| 02:20.34 | JetUni | nothing on enter |
| 02:21.14 | NuttyBunny | ctrl-C ? |
| 02:21.47 | JetUni | dunno...I closed it to try again... |
| 02:22.01 | NuttyBunny | ok, ok |
| 02:22.11 | NuttyBunny | you might as well also use scoutcamper's command: |
| 02:22.16 | NuttyBunny | novacom -t open tty:// |
| 02:22.16 | JetUni | how long do I wait? until Luna shows? |
| 02:22.25 | NuttyBunny | no, no, Luna won't boot |
| 02:22.51 | NuttyBunny | we're not fixing Luna, we're getting your files from /media/internal :) |
| 02:24.01 | NuttyBunny | I should try in windows as well :S |
| 02:24.28 | JetUni | Ctrl-C made it go back |
| 02:24.50 | NuttyBunny | that's odd |
| 02:24.53 | JetUni | do I continue after that? |
| 02:24.59 | NuttyBunny | novacom -t open tty:// |
| 02:25.19 | JetUni | unable to find device |
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| 02:25.46 | NuttyBunny | wtf?? why?? |
| 02:25.55 | PatrickC_Pre2 | hay adora |
| 02:26.02 | NuttyBunny | Hey Adora |
| 02:26.07 | JetUni | Now the Luna logo is showing... :( |
| 02:26.18 | NuttyBunny | in fact, now that I see, you shouldn't even had seen the luna logo |
| 02:26.24 | JetUni | Is that Palm Adora?!? |
| 02:26.35 | NuttyBunny | The Pixi here is with with the usb logo |
| 02:26.36 | JetUni | haha this is so cool! haha anyways! |
| 02:26.59 | PatrickC_Pre2 | JetUni: many Palm people cruz the INC channels :) |
| 02:27.08 | JetUni | haha sweet! |
| 02:27.32 | Adora | no, I am Princess Adora, the twin sister to He-Man |
| 02:27.46 | halfhalo | lol |
| 02:27.47 | JetUni | Haha I love this community! |
| 02:27.55 | NuttyBunny | ok, did you copy/paste the commands? or typed it? :P |
| 02:28.11 | NuttyBunny | She-Ra? :) |
| 02:28.42 | JetUni | after the vgscan command?? |
| 02:28.58 | JetUni | Plus...it went back to Luna |
| 02:29.05 | NuttyBunny | huh? |
| 02:29.12 | NuttyBunny | did it boot?? |
| 02:29.15 | JetUni | No |
| 02:29.41 | JetUni | It's seriously on drugs or something...totally wierd! |
| 02:30.19 | NuttyBunny | Let's see, it went from a Usb logo to a palm logo to a glowing logo to a penguin? or how was it? |
| 02:30.27 | NuttyBunny | (trying to understand what happened there) |
| 02:30.30 | PatrickC_Pre2 | I doctored 3 times today and had no USB erase, but its not guaranteed to not erase |
| 02:30.48 | JetUni | USB to Penguin to HP/Palm |
| 02:31.19 | PatrickC_Pre2 | s/3/4/ |
| 02:31.22 | JetUni | so USB, Penguin (static) to Palm (glowing |
| 02:31.33 | NuttyBunny | you used the boot image from the meta doctor, right? |
| 02:31.54 | JetUni | I changed the glowing image |
| 02:32.07 | JetUni | which worked just fine |
| 02:32.33 | NuttyBunny | It's just that on my Pixi the usb icon never went away |
| 02:33.11 | JetUni | wierd....cuz mine changed to the static image as soon as I did the uImage command |
| 02:33.22 | NuttyBunny | lemme do it on the Pre |
| 02:34.45 | NickNick | watches PatrickC_Pre2 cross out his notes |
| 02:34.52 | NickNick | :) |
| 02:35.03 | PatrickC_Pre2 | lol |
| 02:35.10 | NuttyBunny | no, it's fine, the behaviour is different |
| 02:35.28 | NuttyBunny | I have a static logo and... a stupid BATTERY ICON! ARGH! |
| 02:35.37 | NuttyBunny | in the middle of the class my battery ran out |
| 02:35.39 | NuttyBunny | LOL |
| 02:35.48 | NickNick | heh |
| 02:36.22 | JetUni | This is strange... |
| 02:37.05 | PatrickC_Pre2 | yeah |
| 02:37.08 | NuttyBunny | ok, here I go again, static logo |
| 02:37.58 | NuttyBunny | recovery mode - boot command - static logo - small flash - static logo |
| 02:38.46 | NuttyBunny | ok, I don't think it should be booting :@ |
| 02:38.49 | NuttyBunny | flashing logo |
| 02:38.50 | NuttyBunny | bah |
| 02:39.23 | PatrickC_Pre2 | brb |
| 02:40.39 | NuttyBunny | sh*t, it's booting |
| 02:41.06 | PatrickC_Pre2 | :'( |
| 02:41.10 | JetUni | yeah...that's whats happening to me! |
| 02:41.45 | NuttyBunny | lemme see if the 1.4.5 image does the same |
| 02:44.56 | JetUni | ok |
| 02:45.10 | M4X | I got into the spring google voice beta |
| 02:45.18 | NuttyBunny | I'm an ass |
| 02:45.20 | NuttyBunny | sorry.. |
| 02:45.30 | NuttyBunny | what image are you booting with?? |
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| 02:45.39 | NickNick | m4x: beta for what? isn't voice public already? |
| 02:45.43 | NuttyBunny | I'm booting with the stupid 2.0.1 Pre 2 IMAGE :@ |
| 02:45.51 | JetUni | that may be it... |
| 02:45.51 | M4X | nah the integration |
| 02:45.59 | NickNick | NuttyBunny: doh! |
| 02:46.10 | M4X | http://www.sprint.com/landings/googlevoice/?ECID=vanity:googlevoice |
| 02:46.14 | NickNick | M4X: on sprint i assume? |
| 02:46.19 | M4X | right. |
| 02:46.55 | NickNick | i'm on VZW and totally jealous |
| 02:47.27 | NuttyBunny | JetUni, are you using a "castle" image? or a "roadrunner" image? |
| 02:47.36 | JetUni | i got the roadrunner... |
| 02:47.36 | NickNick | well ok, i'm out for tonight |
| 02:47.41 | JetUni | whoops! |
| 02:47.43 | NuttyBunny | LOL |
| 02:47.44 | M4X | its pretty sweet. I <3 my google voice number so now I can use it as if I don't have a regular cell number. |
| 02:47.45 | NuttyBunny | ROFL |
| 02:47.56 | NuttyBunny | we did exactly the same mistake! |
| 02:47.58 | NickNick | PatrickC_Pre2: if you want i'll make the notes into a wiki page later |
| 02:48.27 | NickNick | or add them to the recovery page maybe |
| 02:48.35 | NuttyBunny | Ok, take note: USE THE CORRECT BOOT IMAGE FOR YOUR DEVICE: Pre - Castle, Pre2 - Roadrunner |
| 02:48.42 | NickNick | heh |
| 02:49.09 | *** part/#webos-internals NickNick (~nick_seif@117.sub-75-194-174.myvzw.com) |
| 02:49.10 | JetUni | ok...still shows static image tho... |
| 02:49.24 | NuttyBunny | perfect, as long as it doesn't glow :) |
| 02:49.28 | NuttyBunny | so, it's: |
| 02:49.32 | NuttyBunny | recovery mode |
| 02:49.36 | PatrickC_Pre2 | nuttybunny: let me know when its done :) |
| 02:49.49 | NuttyBunny | novacom -w boot mem:// < nova-installer-image-castle.uImage |
| 02:50.03 | NuttyBunny | wait about 30 secs, and then: |
| 02:50.09 | NuttyBunny | novacom -w run file://usr/sbin/lvm.static -- vgchange -ay --ignorelockingfailure |
| 02:50.13 | PatrickC_Pre2 | is this from the beginning? |
| 02:50.14 | NuttyBunny | novacom -w run file://bin/mkdir -- -p /tmp/media |
| 02:50.16 | JetUni | yay!!! |
| 02:50.21 | NuttyBunny | novacom -w run file://bin/mount -- /dev/mapper/store-media /tmp/media |
| 02:50.25 | JetUni | first one worked! |
| 02:50.41 | NuttyBunny | Patrick: This is the one :) |
| 02:50.43 | JetUni | i copied all commands to a .txt file thx! |
| 02:50.48 | PatrickC_Pre2 | ok :) |
| 02:51.09 | NuttyBunny | novacom -w run file://bin/ls -- /tmp/media <- optional, you should see several directories, including media |
| 02:51.32 | NuttyBunny | mmm.. |
| 02:51.35 | NuttyBunny | I missed one |
| 02:51.54 | NuttyBunny | novacom -w run file://usr/sbin/lvm.static -- vgscan --ignorelockingfailure |
| 02:52.00 | NuttyBunny | novacom -w run file://usr/sbin/lvm.static -- vgchange -ay --ignorelockingfailure |
| 02:52.04 | NuttyBunny | novacom -w run file://bin/mkdir -- -p /tmp/media |
| 02:52.09 | NuttyBunny | novacom -w run file://bin/mount -- /dev/mapper/store-media /tmp/media |
| 02:52.26 | PatrickC_Pre2 | is that the correct order? |
| 02:52.32 | NuttyBunny | type them again, it doesn't matter, yep, correct order |
| 02:52.47 | PatrickC_Pre2 | ok |
| 02:53.25 | NuttyBunny | perfect, I see my files, in fact you 'll see your files from /media/internal |
| 02:54.08 | JetUni | I did it in that order |
| 02:54.16 | NuttyBunny | and you see your files? |
| 02:54.21 | JetUni | no... |
| 02:54.23 | PatrickC_Pre2 | So, this works? |
| 02:54.39 | NuttyBunny | damn... any errors? |
| 02:54.56 | JetUni | it ran command, but no dialog after |
| 02:55.07 | PatrickC_Pre2 | NuttyBunny: http://pastebin.com/Zx3JJ6KN |
| 02:55.09 | JetUni | how do i copy paste in cmd.exe? |
| 02:55.34 | PatrickC_Pre2 | right click |
| 02:55.37 | PatrickC_Pre2 | hit paste |
| 02:55.40 | NuttyBunny | that |
| 02:55.42 | NuttyBunny | hehehe |
| 02:55.49 | PatrickC_Pre2 | are you in novacom or cmd? |
| 02:55.54 | JetUni | cmd |
| 02:55.59 | PatrickC_Pre2 | ok |
| 02:56.21 | JetUni | it connects in novaterm tho... |
| 02:56.21 | PatrickC_Pre2 | then the thing I said should work |
| 02:56.35 | PatrickC_Pre2 | I know it does.. but you can also go to: |
| 02:56.44 | NuttyBunny | ok, maybe if you type: |
| 02:56.49 | NuttyBunny | novacom -w run file://bin/ls -- /tmp/media |
| 02:56.51 | PatrickC_Pre2 | run >> theNovaTermCmd |
| 02:56.53 | NuttyBunny | you'll see your files |
| 02:57.07 | NuttyBunny | it was the optional step |
| 02:57.11 | PatrickC_Pre2 | NuttyBunny: did you see my paste? |
| 02:57.28 | NuttyBunny | Patrick: Yep, add that line too, to check that the files are there |
| 02:57.40 | PatrickC_Pre2 | what step? |
| 02:57.47 | NuttyBunny | JetUni: Type that line too, the "ls" command is for showing you the files |
| 02:57.52 | NuttyBunny | novacom -w run file://bin/ls -- /tmp/media |
| 02:58.18 | PatrickC_Pre2 | step 6? (5 was the last step that I have) |
| 02:58.26 | NuttyBunny | yep, step 6 |
| 02:58.31 | PatrickC_Pre2 | ok |
| 02:59.00 | JetUni | your pastebin didn't work |
| 02:59.01 | PatrickC_Pre2 | http://pastebin.com/yD60PWRa |
| 02:59.04 | JetUni | trying agin |
| 02:59.07 | JetUni | again |
| 02:59.47 | NuttyBunny | well, you should not copy "first", "second", and so on ;) |
| 02:59.55 | PatrickC_Pre2 | hehe |
| 03:00.10 | NuttyBunny | charges the spare batt on the pixi |
| 03:00.10 | JetUni | yes...i understand...haha |
| 03:01.13 | PatrickC_Pre2 | brb |
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| 03:01.48 | NuttyBunny | so, did it work? do you see your files? |
| 03:02.25 | JetUni | argh...one sec |
| 03:02.50 | NuttyBunny | yup |
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| 03:04.44 | JetUni | yay!! i see a bunch of files! some of which I recognize as being on /media/internal |
| 03:04.50 | JetUni | !!! |
| 03:05.03 | NuttyBunny | excellent!!! |
| 03:05.11 | JetUni | VERY!!! |
| 03:05.20 | NuttyBunny | Now, the tricky part that I hope works in windows |
| 03:05.37 | JetUni | haha oh shoot! cross your fingers |
| 03:05.40 | NuttyBunny | The comand in linux (or cygwin) is as follows, don't type, it's just for reference: |
| 03:06.04 | NuttyBunny | novacom -w run file://bin/tar -- -C /tmp/media/ --totals -cf - . |gzip -c > media.tgz |
| 03:06.25 | NuttyBunny | ok, try this: |
| 03:07.16 | NuttyBunny | novacom -w run file://bin/tar -- -C /tmp/media --totals -cf - . | cat media.tar |
| 03:07.38 | JetUni | this is in cmd right? |
| 03:07.45 | NuttyBunny | yep |
| 03:08.23 | JetUni | cat is not recognized as an internal or external command |
| 03:08.45 | NuttyBunny | damn, which was the command?? hehehe |
| 03:09.04 | NuttyBunny | ah.. |
| 03:09.19 | NuttyBunny | I don't think it will work, try this: |
| 03:09.24 | JetUni | novacom -w run file://bin/tar -- -C /tmp/media --totals -cf - . | cat media.tar |
| 03:09.36 | NuttyBunny | novacom -w run file://bin/tar -- -C /tmp/media --totals -cf - . | copy con > media.tar |
| 03:09.45 | NuttyBunny | no, |
| 03:09.47 | NuttyBunny | novacom -w run file://bin/tar -- -C /tmp/media --totals -cf - . | copy con media.tar |
| 03:10.19 | NuttyBunny | crosses fingers, hoping that Microsoft did redirections as intended... |
| 03:10.24 | JetUni | processing.... |
| 03:10.54 | NuttyBunny | open a windows explorer window |
| 03:11.07 | NuttyBunny | look for the c:\media.tar file |
| 03:11.12 | NuttyBunny | see if it grows |
| 03:11.19 | NuttyBunny | see if you hard disk is working |
| 03:12.45 | JetUni | dont see any file by that name... |
| 03:13.19 | JetUni | the WUBI install failed... |
| 03:13.51 | JetUni | this makes me want to switch to Linux |
| 03:13.55 | NuttyBunny | stupid wubi, that's the reason I don't like the famous windows installer, please download the "ubuntu desktop installer" |
| 03:14.10 | NuttyBunny | is the hard disk working at least? |
| 03:14.34 | JetUni | how can i tell? |
| 03:14.45 | JetUni | doesn't look or sound like it... |
| 03:14.57 | NuttyBunny | mmm... |
| 03:15.11 | NuttyBunny | argh |
| 03:15.17 | NuttyBunny | we were so close |
| 03:15.20 | NuttyBunny | stupid windows |
| 03:15.27 | JetUni | i hit enter on the cmd and the file showed up! |
| 03:15.41 | NuttyBunny | yep......... |
| 03:15.44 | NuttyBunny | ah, I know |
| 03:15.45 | JetUni | but it may be a fraction of the whole thing... |
| 03:15.46 | NuttyBunny | hit ctrl-C |
| 03:15.56 | NuttyBunny | no, it's just the enter you typed :D |
| 03:16.04 | JetUni | dang... |
| 03:16.22 | NuttyBunny | I know how , I think |
| 03:16.38 | JetUni | Ctrl-C told me it copied 0 files |
| 03:16.49 | NuttyBunny | novacom -w run file://bin/tar -- -C /tmp/media --totals -cf - . > media.tar |
| 03:16.52 | th3vo1d | all this for a boot problem? |
| 03:17.19 | th3vo1d | good lord |
| 03:17.38 | NuttyBunny | no, we're not messing with the boot problem, this is to recover his files when he can't access anything on his phone |
| 03:18.32 | NuttyBunny | we'll put this on a wiki so we won't clobber the IRC as today :) |
| 03:19.06 | th3vo1d | lol i was just curious |
| 03:19.11 | NuttyBunny | hehehe |
| 03:19.25 | NuttyBunny | me too, that's the reason I tried to do it :D |
| 03:19.27 | JetUni | if it was just boot problem i would've doctored... |
| 03:19.39 | NuttyBunny | Did the last command work? |
| 03:19.55 | bnceo | please put on wiki |
| 03:20.00 | bnceo | I need reading material tomorrow at work |
| 03:20.06 | NuttyBunny | LOL |
| 03:20.45 | JetUni | media.tar showed up this time |
| 03:21.09 | JetUni | 0 KB tho |
| 03:21.30 | JetUni | nevermind....F5 its growing! |
| 03:21.44 | JetUni | yay! |
| 03:21.49 | NuttyBunny | as we mexicans would say: "A Huevo!!!" |
| 03:22.32 | NuttyBunny | let it finish, and then open the .tar file with winrar or 7zip, and uncompress some files to see if it really worked |
| 03:23.10 | PatrickC_Pre2 | nuttybunny: more commands to document? |
| 03:23.40 | NuttyBunny | yep Patrick, for Linux/Mac: novacom -w run file://bin/tar -- -C /tmp/media/ --totals -cf - . |gzip -c > media.tgz |
| 03:23.55 | JetUni | ok, then I make a doctor using Ubuntu right? |
| 03:23.57 | NuttyBunny | for windows this one seems to work: novacom -w run file://bin/tar -- -C /tmp/media --totals -cf - . > media.tar |
| 03:24.03 | NuttyBunny | exactly |
| 03:24.25 | JetUni | shweet! haha |
| 03:25.41 | PatrickC_Pre2 | http://pastebin.com/Jxft3UNh |
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| 03:26.05 | PatrickC_Pre2 | and then morph the last 2 pastebins together, and you have yourself a wiki page (mostly) :) |
| 03:27.03 | PatrickC_Pre2 | NuttyBunny: let me know if that's all the pasts |
| 03:27.06 | PatrickC_Pre2 | pastes* |
| 03:27.33 | NuttyBunny | yep, those are the ones :) |
| 03:27.50 | PatrickC_Pre2 | ok cool! |
| 03:28.00 | PatrickC_Pre2 | I'll be looking for the page in 10 min :D |
| 03:28.59 | NuttyBunny | mmm... grrr.. hehehe |
| 03:29.37 | PatrickC_Pre2 | grins |
| 03:29.41 | *** part/#webos-internals ron001 (~wircer@108.122.172.6) |
| 03:35.09 | PatrickC_Pre2 | night all |
| 03:35.25 | NuttyBunny | nite |
| 03:35.29 | JetUni | well I'm up to 3GB now...only about 11 more to go... |
| 03:35.41 | JetUni | thanks everyone!!!! |
| 03:35.42 | JetUni | so much!!!! |
| 03:35.54 | PatrickC_Pre2 | it was all NuttyBunny :) |
| 03:36.13 | NuttyBunny | hehehe |
| 03:36.20 | PatrickC_Pre2 | and because of this, many can backup their usb drive when their phone won't boot |
| 03:36.30 | PatrickC_Pre2 | has needed to do that before... |
| 03:36.37 | JetUni | Thank You so much +NuttyBunny!!! |
| 03:36.43 | NuttyBunny | yep! Even with no keyboard working or screen :) |
| 03:37.23 | PatrickC_Pre2 | JetUni: hope you like Ubuntu :) I know I do (now if I can just do a dualboot...) |
| 03:37.41 | PatrickC_Sleepin | night all |
| 03:37.54 | JetUni | Thanks!! night |
| 03:38.06 | destinal | NuttyBunny: don't even need any working buttons at all on the device, if you boot with pusb or similar omap loader |
| 03:38.32 | PatrickC_Sleepin | can you boot into recovery mode without the volume up button? |
| 03:38.40 | destinal | PatrickC_Sleepin: yup, with pusb |
| 03:38.45 | PatrickC_Sleepin | cool |
| 03:38.46 | NuttyBunny | can you boot without volume up??? Ah, with the "last resort recovery" method :D |
| 03:38.53 | destinal | yeah |
| 03:38.58 | PatrickC_Sleepin | hehe |
| 03:39.09 | rwhitby | NuttyBunny: wonder why you didn't just say "make backup" in meta-doctor ? |
| 03:39.17 | rwhitby | instead of all those manual commands |
| 03:39.28 | NuttyBunny | cygwin |
| 03:40.21 | NuttyBunny | I'm trying to simplify it so people can just go and see the wiki for "recovering your files" |
| 03:41.03 | JetUni | for people like me... :) |
| 03:41.08 | NuttyBunny | instead of "install ubuntu, install cygwin, download this, download that", people get lost, and sometimes they just want their files and redoctor |
| 03:41.14 | NuttyBunny | like JetUni here |
| 03:42.11 | rwhitby | mumbles about teaching how to fish ... ;) |
| 03:42.11 | NuttyBunny | You know I hate windows, but if at least they got the file redirection well done, we might as well use it and avoid the cygwin installation, ... as I say always, another layer for errors :) |
| 03:42.20 | NuttyBunny | LOL |
| 03:43.00 | NuttyBunny | wait til I finish the page, it's not just "copy and paste", it will be explained |
| 03:44.11 | PatrickC_Sleepin | good :) my documentation wasn't exactly the best :p |
| 03:46.27 | PatrickC_Sleepin | I'm off to bed for real now, night :) |
| 03:54.09 | NuttyBunny | One thing is trying to install an unsupported operating system version on your device and other very different is see a static hp or palm or Tux logo on your screen and the fear of not seeing your files again, or what if your device breaks hard and only the volume button works :) |
| 03:58.52 | destinal | NuttyBunny: these are the people that really shouldn't be playing with unsupported operating systems until they're a little more proven, eh? |
| 03:59.05 | NuttyBunny | Today turned to be a nice day after all: I donated platelets to a patient at my gf's hospital, I got another Pixi backup, I got my Pixi, I helped JetUni to recover his files... I just couldn't do 2 things: Unlock the Pixi and run Android on the Plus.... |
| 03:59.23 | NuttyBunny | destinal: yeah, it can work for them also |
| 03:59.40 | NuttyBunny | I get tired of people coming and asking the same ;) |
| 04:00.02 | destinal | NuttyBunny: just saying, people not comfortable with making backups and doctoring their device on their own really should stay out at this phase. it's bleeding edge time |
| 04:00.44 | destinal | just like these guys wouldn't be well served by running linux kernel 0.99 and so on :) |
| 04:01.03 | ka6sox-away | has phones for this sort of thing... |
| 04:02.00 | NuttyBunny | people get tired and "want" to try somethig else, but even if the poster says: "experimental, can break your phone, etc", they DON'T READ THAT and go and brick their devices (sic) |
| 04:02.28 | NuttyBunny | and as well, they DON'T READ and don't know that the instructions to recover their devices are in the same stupid thread |
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| 04:02.47 | destinal | NuttyBunny: yeah but forgive me if I don't want to rush out and help people who break their phones out of boredom and not following directions |
| 04:03.07 | JetUni | well I did something that shouldn't have done this, but if I would've known I would've backed it up....and the best way to learn is by trying stuff right |
| 04:03.20 | NuttyBunny | reminds me the last 3 or 4 pages of the meta doctor 2.1 upgrade page installing with windows :) |
| 04:04.05 | NuttyBunny | destinal: that's the reason of the wiki's... later I just tend to say something like "ah, you used windows, you're f*cked, read this warning from Rod, and go here to use linux" |
| 04:04.26 | NuttyBunny | but JetUni proposed a nice challenge :D |
| 04:05.48 | JetUni | haha so apparently Windows sucks if you're using Palm stuff... |
| 04:05.55 | destinal | JetUni: yeah, well, learning is good, no denying that. I think to some degree people are spoiled on a strong webos advanced homebrew ecosystem that doesn't tend to break stuff |
| 04:05.55 | NuttyBunny | and well, after backing up 3 pixis, I thought it could be used for this exact purpose, and maybe we wouldn't even need cygwin, make, python, git, etc... just some lines to backup the usb partition |
| 04:06.23 | destinal | ie people are used to things, even exotic things like replacing your kernel being solid and just working if it's stuff webos-internals is doing |
| 04:06.36 | destinal | but other kinds of stuff, not always the same standards |
| 04:08.06 | NuttyBunny | Indeed. I really like webos-internals way of doing things, but I'm just not as patient :( |
| 04:08.07 | destinal | NuttyBunny: yeah, the wiki articles give you what you need there I think, just boot the installer image, use novacom to dd |
| 04:08.17 | destinal | no need for python etc |
| 04:08.38 | JetUni | it just finished writing a total of 12GB !! |
| 04:08.59 | NuttyBunny | excellent, open it with winrar and extract some random file and check it's ok! :D |
| 04:09.25 | destinal | NuttyBunny: hmm, used tar? |
| 04:09.50 | JetUni | does jzip work? |
| 04:10.03 | NuttyBunny | no idea, try it |
| 04:10.30 | NuttyBunny | destinal: yes, since we're not running in cygwin, no gzip |
| 04:10.38 | JetUni | it does!! and they're all there and ok!! yes!!! |
| 04:10.51 | NuttyBunny | and I didn't check if the installer image comes with gzip |
| 04:11.26 | JetUni | now you can finish the wiki and say that it worked on your test case...haha |
| 04:11.35 | NuttyBunny | excellent :) |
| 04:12.30 | NuttyBunny | ah, gzip is there! |
| 04:12.59 | NuttyBunny | ah, it works.... |
| 04:14.19 | NuttyBunny | So, meta doctor should work with novacom -w run file://bin/tar -- -C /tmp/media/ --totals -czf - . > media.tgz as well, and it even works with windows, no cygwin |
| 04:16.41 | NuttyBunny | ok, wiki created, I'll update it later, basic layout is there :) |
| 04:18.08 | destinal | NuttyBunny: why would you even need metadoctor? |
| 04:19.18 | NuttyBunny | destinal: MetaDoctor can do a full backup of your device, but most people don't need that, they only want their files |
| 04:19.26 | destinal | just novacom boot mem the installer image, novaterm in and run the mount commands, then do your novacom tar |
| 04:20.04 | NuttyBunny | yes, you and I can do that |
| 04:20.22 | destinal | NuttyBunny: if it was put in a batch file, so could anyone :) |
| 04:20.28 | NuttyBunny | but think of the mom that just got her Pre and for some reason got fucked |
| 04:21.33 | destinal | NuttyBunny: um, this is way beyond mom, she should doctor (and doctoring with the same image won't lose her pictures) |
| 04:22.14 | NuttyBunny | ok, ok, it was for me, just for me, It was a challenge that I wanted to see if it could be done :P |
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| 04:22.48 | NuttyBunny | I wanted to see if it worked on windows as well as in linux :) |
| 04:23.08 | destinal | yeah, the installer image is really handy, and yeah, novacom boot mem and novacom run xyz are great in windows or linux or OSX alike |
| 04:23.14 | Saij | nutty! |
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| 04:23.38 | Saij | how goes the pixi madness? |
| 04:23.41 | NuttyBunny | I love to know the internals of things, how they work, how they interact, that's the reason I'm into booting the stupid android image too, just to see it in person :D |
| 04:24.02 | NuttyBunny | Saij: It hasn't begun yet, not until I unlock my Pixi |
| 04:24.21 | destinal | NuttyBunny: what do you mean unlock |
| 04:24.25 | Saij | Ah, fair enough man. I'm prety excited to see that even happening |
| 04:24.56 | NuttyBunny | destinal: It's an AT&T Pre Plus and won't accept my Telcel SIM, it's carrier locked |
| 04:25.14 | NuttyBunny | s/Pre/Pixi/ |
| 04:25.16 | Saij | ATT is nice about that, just tell them you're traveling out of the country |
| 04:25.33 | destinal | Saij: you have to actually have an account with them though |
| 04:25.46 | NuttyBunny | mmm... I think I'm the third owner :S |
| 04:25.53 | Saij | Oh, right. Never thouhgt about that haha. |
| 04:26.12 | destinal | NuttyBunny: do you really need telephony for what you're working on though? |
| 04:26.49 | NuttyBunny | destinal: well, it has to work, doesn't it? and I won't be able to test if it won't accept my sim |
| 04:27.15 | destinal | NuttyBunny: I was thinking wifi only, but you mean you want to see if it works as a phone too? |
| 04:27.48 | NuttyBunny | destinal: Of course! The whole package!! It's an image from a GSM Pixi that works as a phone over there |
| 04:28.33 | NuttyBunny | Change the partitions sizes, extract, run, should be piece of cake.............. (I always tend to be too optimistic) |
| 04:29.13 | destinal | NuttyBunny: actually I wouldn't be surprised if it was that easy, though I probably would have made a backup of the whole disk and just skip restoring the nvram section |
| 04:29.24 | destinal | rather than partition by partition |
| 04:29.33 | NuttyBunny | And it shouldn't matter for cdma people as well, I don't plan on updating the modem firmware |
| 04:29.51 | NuttyBunny | well, meta doctor was the tool available at the moment, and it did its work :D |
| 04:30.10 | NuttyBunny | besides, it was my first time making a backup of that type |
| 04:30.12 | destinal | NuttyBunny: well, at least on the pre, skipping ahead versions without updating modem firmware causes .. issues |
| 04:30.33 | destinal | but since the pixi is one SoC, maybe not the same deal |
| 04:31.16 | NuttyBunny | mmmm... I shall see the Pixi Doctor... but i think it has a cdma firmware file and a gsm file... |
| 04:31.57 | destinal | NuttyBunny: much depends on whether you have the firmware image that corresponds with the version of the OS you're trying to restore too, yeah? |
| 04:32.14 | NuttyBunny | the reason I got a gsm one is to try testing with Telcel, because the cdma carrier is a pain in the ***, so, other people will have to test and make it work in sprint and verizon |
| 04:32.25 | NuttyBunny | I don't think we have the modem firmware backup |
| 04:33.06 | NuttyBunny | and I don't think we can get one... or I haven't read a way of doing it |
| 04:33.12 | JetUni | Hey thanks a bunch +NuttyBunny!!! I owe you one! haha see y'all later |
| 04:33.13 | destinal | for example webos 2.x on pre with the modem firmware that came along with 1.4.5 had weird issues but was still useable |
| 04:33.37 | NuttyBunny | JetUni: ok! c-ya! |
| 04:33.46 | destinal | it just claimed every call was dropped when it ended normally and wouldn't do SMS without strange corruption and so on |
| 04:34.01 | NuttyBunny | ah, yes, I remember reading that |
| 04:34.45 | NuttyBunny | people will have to live with that, or if someone finds the way to backup a Pixi modem firmware, that would be nice also |
| 04:34.59 | NuttyBunny | the 2.1 guy has already doctored back to 1.4.5 :@ |
| 04:35.52 | NuttyBunny | the 2.0 guy which Backup I got today, still has 2.0, and his brother has 2.0.1 or something like that... we may be able to recover those firmwares |
| 04:36.05 | NuttyBunny | but those are for gsm :( |
| 04:39.02 | NuttyBunny | well, gotta go, I don't wanna drool over the keyboard :) |
| 04:39.12 | Saij | one quick q? |
| 04:40.36 | ka6sox-away | drool + keyboard = mess |
| 04:40.48 | NuttyBunny | really quick, shoot |
| 04:41.05 | Saij | status of Messaging patch for 1.4.5? |
| 04:41.55 | NuttyBunny | This weekend I might have some fixes for msn, aol and sametime I think |
| 04:42.22 | NuttyBunny | ah, fbchat may work as well, but i'm not sure |
| 04:42.25 | Saij | Awesome :) Just wanted to see what was going on there. I know you had to update to latest libpurple which is likely not trivial |
| 04:43.26 | NuttyBunny | the non-trivial thing was switching compilers and rebuilding libraries (by the way, I'm still having issued with one) |
| 04:44.02 | Saij | No rush, I can't help you do the work so I'm not going to pester you |
| 04:44.10 | Saij | Just wanted to hear what was going on. |
| 04:44.25 | NuttyBunny | ok.. well, c-ya people |
| 04:44.30 | Saij | Besides, it may not matter if we get webos 2.x or Android PP |
| 04:44.33 | Saij | later |
| 04:49.09 | ka6sox-away | oh no...that means "FOREVER" |
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| 08:40.18 | hape | rwhitby: ping |
| 08:40.28 | rwhitby | hape: syn|ack |
| 08:41.05 | hape | I have a lot of this errors im my log from preware |
| 08:41.27 | hape | http://pastebin.com/Ag66XVny |
| 08:42.14 | hape | Do we have a problems in the feeds, preware or on my device? |
| 08:42.25 | rwhitby | yes, there is some character in the descriptions which is triggering an error in the new native json parser in webOS 2.x |
| 08:42.46 | hape | ok, it is webos 2.1 on my dev Pre2 |
| 08:43.43 | rwhitby | I haven't looked at it in enough detail to work out exactly which characters are causing it. If you see a pattern please let me know. |
| 08:44.10 | hape | ok |
| 08:51.22 | phoque_uni | is anybody else having lots of choppyness/lag problems with 2.1 on a Pre-? |
| 08:51.45 | phoque_uni | mine seems to hang for 10 seconds or more for no apparent reason every now and then |
| 09:01.42 | SimpsonTP | phoque_uni, using Echange Active Sync ? |
| 09:01.52 | phoque_uni | no |
| 09:02.11 | phoque_uni | it seems to me that WiFi disconnects/connects are causing them |
| 09:02.22 | phoque_uni | and that being logged in into GTalk makes it worse |
| 09:02.43 | phoque_uni | oh and being on cellular data makes the device barely usable |
| 09:03.07 | phoque_uni | so... something with the connection handling maybe |
| 09:03.16 | phoque_uni | also, PDK apps make the device really really slow |
| 09:03.42 | phoque_uni | Terminal (besides not working at all) almost kills it |
| 09:03.50 | phoque_uni | so does drPodder while playback |
| 09:04.01 | phoque_uni | I'm on 1GHz mind you |
| 09:14.03 | hape | do someone have the command handy to install an ipk from the command line? |
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| 13:09.29 | Tibfib | hape: if you have the sdk installed.. palm-install ____.ipk |
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| 13:18.31 | PatrickC_Pre2 | anyone in here wanna try out my patch? unlocked pre2 required |
| 14:26.24 | PatrickC_Pre2 | is gonna try to get 2.x only apps running on 1.4.5 |
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| 14:58.20 | NuttyBunny | Anyone knows the difference between the "Unlock" code and an "UnBlock" code??? |
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| 14:59.56 | renancoelho | Hi there, I just got two palm pre plus verizon from e-bay, but I cant log in to it... How can I activate it without verizon? could anybody send me a link? I greatly appreciate it! |
| 15:00.19 | PatrickC_Pre2 | make a meta-doctor |
| 15:00.52 | RagingMind | renancoelho, you can use meta-doctor to bypass activation, but if you want to use it as a phone you'll still need verison |
| 15:01.14 | RagingMind | but they do make handy pda type web browsing wifi devices |
| 15:01.42 | PatrickC_Pre2 | that they do RagingMine |
| 15:01.45 | renancoelho | I am from florida, here there is a company(Metro PCS), and they flash the device so you can use it on their network. |
| 15:01.47 | PatrickC_Pre2 | RagingMind* |
| 15:02.10 | renancoelho | But I will only go to them next month, so I thought I could start playing with them now. |
| 15:02.16 | PatrickC_Pre2 | MetroPCS is GSM I believe |
| 15:02.27 | renancoelho | No, its CDMA... |
| 15:02.32 | RagingMind | renancoelho, if you have a way or company that's willing to unlock the phone... just use a doctor to completely reset it to factory settings |
| 15:02.46 | RagingMind | I think it's www.palm.com/rom |
| 15:03.28 | renancoelho | RagingMind: And that should also let me bypass activation? |
| 15:03.42 | RagingMind | renancoelho, yup... check that link. you can reset it to factory defaults, you won't be able to use the phone until someone unlocks it though |
| 15:04.24 | RagingMind | there is a palm tool to bypass activation... a quick google search will bring that up |
| 15:05.07 | PatrickC_Pre2 | or a meta-doctor that bypasses activation and allows palm-profile creation over wifi |
| 15:05.08 | RagingMind | or you can use the home-brew "meta-doctor" (palm provides just "doctors") to get around the activation part |
| 15:05.19 | RagingMind | PatrickC_Pre2, we already went over that |
| 15:05.25 | RagingMind | backlogs are a wonderful thing ;) |
| 15:05.43 | PatrickC_Pre2 | hehe, how true (didn't see that) |
| 15:06.04 | renancoelho | Okay, Thank you very much you guys! Really appreciate it! Got to go now, my 18 month old is screaming in my ears! thanks again! |
| 15:06.40 | RagingMind | PatrickC_Pre2, because he want's to take it to a company and get it unlocked it's probably better that he doesn't stray too far outside of the standard tools until he gets that done |
| 15:07.13 | PatrickC_Pre2 | ahh didn't think about that |
| 15:08.47 | RagingMind | if an action can be done with palm tools, it's better to try that first. especially with someone that's new |
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| 16:27.14 | NuttyBunny | As of this moment, all work on the Plugins gets halted for a few days. THE PIXI IS UNLOCKED! :D |
| 16:29.18 | PatrickC_Pre2 | yay!!! |
| 16:31.05 | NuttyBunny | http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pixi/280992-webos-2-1-pixi-effort-official-thread.html |
| 16:31.29 | PatrickC_Pre2 | goes to look |
| 16:33.28 | PatrickC_Pre2 | cool!! |
| 16:34.50 | NuttyBunny | Fun fact: I say: "I don't know if this will work on a cdma pixi", and guess what's the first comment?:... yes: "I have a cdma pixi, make it work" |
| 16:35.48 | PatrickC_Pre2 | I saw that :p |
| 16:37.56 | NuttyBunny | heheh... I like Nautilus (the Ubuntu file manager)... clone a folder and it gets named: "folder (copy)"... clone it again and: "folder (another copy)".. hehehe |
| 16:38.52 | PatrickC_Pre2 | haha |
| 16:39.37 | NuttyBunny | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:39.56 | PatrickC_Pre2 | who? |
| 16:44.19 | NuttyBunny | Precentral, the troll ;) |
| 16:45.04 | PatrickC_Pre2 | oh lol |
| 16:46.42 | PatrickC_Pre2 | I think we know what pixi versions are CDMA :o |
| 16:46.42 | PatrickC_Pre2 | hehe |
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| 16:52.07 | NuttyBunny | From the 2.1 Pre Doctor: # pixie needs more swap space than other devices. # Name of pixie kernel is uImage-...-chuck ... so, there IS info on the Pixi here... |
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| 16:56.33 | r9s_ | hey guys, can you look at this? https://mobile.twitter.com/r9skull/status/61466382566559745 |
| 16:57.38 | NuttyBunny | ok, how the hell did you remove it?? |
| 16:58.19 | r9s_ | I didn't |
| 16:58.21 | r9s_ | yet |
| 16:58.28 | r9s_ | but I have to |
| 16:58.41 | NuttyBunny | why? |
| 16:59.33 | NuttyBunny | are you installing a custom app catalog to replace the original one? |
| 16:59.34 | r9s_ | because app catalog doesn't downloading / updating any app |
| 17:00.30 | r9s_ | I know that I can just do Full Erase but I don't wanna do this |
| 17:00.39 | NuttyBunny | this isn't windows. you can't expect to "fix" the app catalog by deleting/reinstalling it, even more if it's a core app |
| 17:00.53 | NuttyBunny | did you do something that could make your app catalog stop working? |
| 17:01.24 | r9s_ | don't know but it's again stop working |
| 17:01.46 | r9s_ | last time I did full erase and voila |
| 17:01.53 | r9s_ | it works |
| 17:02.25 | NuttyBunny | weird... now, the fun part. What device, webos version, country and carrier are we talking about? |
| 17:02.30 | r9s_ | and after couple doctoring it again stop working |
| 17:03.06 | r9s_ | Palm Pre, webos 1.4.5, O2, unlocked, Poland |
| 17:04.44 | NuttyBunny | Since you have a supported device, supported carrier, etc, you should go to the palm page and ask for support there. There have been problems with the app catalog these days, Palm is upgrading stuff on their servers for the Veer and Touchpad, and there have been certain problems, specially for europe users |
| 17:05.37 | r9s_ | I think I don't have supported carrier |
| 17:05.54 | r9s_ | it's polish carrier "Play" |
| 17:06.02 | NuttyBunny | But you had access before |
| 17:06.06 | NuttyBunny | tell them that |
| 17:06.22 | r9s_ | I will |
| 17:07.18 | NuttyBunny | Hope it gets fixed without the need to do full erase :D |
| 17:07.42 | r9s_ | me too ;d |
| 17:08.27 | r9s_ | anyway thanks |
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| 17:13.18 | PatrickC_Pre2 | r9s_: you can unpack a doctor and build the appcatalog ipk if you need to |
| 17:14.03 | NuttyBunny | he can also use the dummymaker app, but that's not the issue :D |
| 17:14.24 | PatrickC_Pre2 | hehe, true |
| 17:14.32 | r9s_ | PatrickC: tell me more about it |
| 17:14.41 | PatrickC_Pre2 | what desktop os? |
| 17:14.55 | r9s_ | linux / windows |
| 17:15.14 | PatrickC_Pre2 | well, NuttyBunny would help with linux, I help with windows :) |
| 17:15.35 | PatrickC_Pre2 | I don't have much experience unpacking things on linux yet |
| 17:16.05 | r9s_ | ok if support won't help me I'll come here |
| 17:16.19 | PatrickC_Pre2 | and you can even get the new 2.x app catalog working on 1.4.5 (I did :)) |
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| 17:16.22 | r9s_ | at now I'm going offline, bye |
| 17:16.29 | PatrickC_Pre2 | ok, bye |
| 17:16.34 | PatrickC_Pre2 | morning Adora |
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| 17:17.27 | NuttyBunny | Morning Adora :) You should have spare glasses at the office ;) |
| 17:17.29 | PatrickC_Pre2 | NuttyBunny: is it the same process on linux as windows? |
| 17:17.49 | NuttyBunny | what process? |
| 17:18.11 | PatrickC_Pre2 | to unzip a .jar file like a doctor to extract files |
| 17:19.02 | NuttyBunny | well, you extract it with the "builtin" file extractor, so it should be the same |
| 17:19.14 | PatrickC_Pre2 | ok, thanks |
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| 18:18.40 | M4X | suppose my volume up botton was bat.... is there a way to get the pre into usb mode? |
| 18:22.46 | M4X | bad* |
| 18:29.21 | NuttyBunny | M4X: If you have developer mode on, yes |
| 18:29.36 | M4X | shit. its the new pre2 |
| 18:29.59 | M4X | when it boots up i am just getting the spinning circle... won't let me run the doctor. |
| 18:30.31 | NuttyBunny | but if it's new, how can the volume button be bad? |
| 18:31.03 | M4X | I suppose I could've messed it up. I am defintely pressing the button. |
| 18:31.14 | NuttyBunny | unplug usb, remove battery, press and keep volume up, plug usb (you should see a battery icon with a ? inside), insert battery, you should see usb icon |
| 18:32.00 | M4X | goes straight to the palm screen |
| 18:32.05 | M4X | fuck i think its bad |
| 18:32.43 | NuttyBunny | could be, if it goes directly then maybe it's broken |
| 18:34.07 | M4X | think if i send this to palm they would notice that i switched the com boards lol |
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| 18:35.25 | M4X | so there is no way around it huh? this is terrible. |
| 18:35.35 | PatrickC_Pre2 | what's up? |
| 18:35.43 | M4X | i think my vol up button is broken. |
| 18:35.57 | NuttyBunny | aaaaaah! you switched boards? you broke the vol button, 100% sure |
| 18:36.03 | NuttyBunny | bbl |
| 18:36.11 | PatrickC_Pre2 | hmm.. can't you take it off and fix it? |
| 18:36.21 | M4X | i suppose... i don't know what i messed up |
| 18:36.47 | PatrickC_Pre2 | I need to fix my power button |
| 18:39.22 | M4X | you think i can get palm to fix it |
| 18:39.24 | M4X | ? |
| 18:40.16 | PatrickC_Pre2 | how old is the phone? and has it been opened? |
| 18:40.46 | M4X | i think it was a dev phone gave out and by opened you mean out of the box? |
| 18:41.22 | PatrickC_Pre2 | by opened I mean the phone itself, like have you taken the phone apart *at all*? |
| 18:41.42 | M4X | yeah i have |
| 18:41.53 | M4X | they are going to tell me to fly a kite fml |
| 18:42.00 | PatrickC_Pre2 | afaik that = warranty voided |
| 18:42.48 | Loudergood | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Sprint_Pre_2#Step_8 |
| 18:42.57 | Loudergood | that and step 9 are where you need to look |
| 18:43.24 | PatrickC_Pre2 | I'm gonna start doctoring regularly :) |
| 18:43.38 | PatrickC_Pre2 | my device is sooo much faster after the doctor |
| 18:43.55 | M4X | Loudergood: what should I be looking for? I had everything put together and the button pressed but it wouldn't go into usb mode. |
| 18:44.36 | Loudergood | check the volume wire |
| 18:45.39 | M4X | it looks a little messed up but I would think it would be working. |
| 18:45.51 | M4X | no worse then the pre- |
| 18:51.25 | M4X | thanks for the help guys |
| 18:51.28 | M4X | i am goign to get wasted now lol |
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| 18:57.19 | Simpson_2 | rwhitby, any updates on linphone ? |
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| 19:04.19 | PatrickC_Pre2 | we need a backup program like Blackberry has... |
| 19:06.09 | th3vo1d | lol...hows that wiki coming |
| 19:08.58 | PatrickC_Pre2 | NuttyBunny was writing it iirc :) |
| 19:12.34 | PatrickC_Pre2 | and Blackberry has an official easy way to usb tether for internet.. no wonder we lose people to them :/ |
| 19:14.03 | th3vo1d | just set up my dad with freetether today |
| 19:14.11 | th3vo1d | he is happy as a clam |
| 19:14.32 | Simpson_2 | if there is a reason people are leaving its probably because they can't get the devices |
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| 19:14.49 | PatrickC_Pre2 | did you show him how to change some settings? |
| 19:15.46 | PatrickC_Pre2 | hopes this makes boot time quicker on the bberry |
| 19:15.56 | PatrickC_Pre2 | anyone here on a wifi only pre2? |
| 19:16.04 | th3vo1d | what settings? |
| 19:16.18 | th3vo1d | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:16.28 | th3vo1d | and installed the usb tether driver |
| 19:16.30 | PatrickC_Pre2 | ^^ that setting :) |
| 19:17.10 | PatrickC_Pre2 | you can also now set it to auto start some services (like wifi hotspot) at app launch |
| 19:17.30 | th3vo1d | nah, too much battery drain |
| 19:19.46 | PatrickC_Pre2 | true |
| 19:20.31 | PatrickC_Pre2 | what device does he have? |
| 19:21.14 | th3vo1d | sprint pre |
| 19:21.23 | PatrickC_Pre2 | did you try MHS? |
| 19:21.31 | PatrickC_Pre2 | does he have Impostah? |
| 19:21.33 | th3vo1d | which is remarkable for having NO OREO EFFECT WHATSOEVER |
| 19:21.48 | th3vo1d | surprised me alot |
| 19:21.49 | PatrickC_Pre2 | wha?!?! my pre2 has the Oreo!! |
| 19:22.23 | th3vo1d | yea, all the pres i went thru getting my sprint pre plus had oreo, some worse than others |
| 19:22.35 | th3vo1d | mhs? impostah? |
| 19:22.56 | PatrickC_Pre2 | MHS = Mobile HotSpot |
| 19:23.03 | PatrickC_Pre2 | Impostah = amazing app |
| 19:23.17 | th3vo1d | tried mhs on my plus, couldnt get it to work |
| 19:23.19 | PatrickC_Pre2 | with Impostah you can download geo/carrier restricted apps |
| 19:23.29 | th3vo1d | why bother when freetether works better |
| 19:23.58 | th3vo1d | is mhs supposed to not be so battery draining or something? |
| 19:24.19 | PatrickC_Pre2 | MHS is the official app, and Impostah is just a good app to have :) |
| 19:25.51 | th3vo1d | not worried at all about "official" whatever, just want it to work |
| 19:26.35 | th3vo1d | not like it would make any differece being on sprint |
| 19:26.36 | PatrickC_Pre2 | ok, but Impostah is cool. you should check it out |
| 19:26.42 | th3vo1d | its only official for verizon |
| 19:26.48 | PatrickC_Pre2 | true |
| 19:27.03 | PuffTheMagic | why are you talking about MHS and Impostah in the same sentence? |
| 19:27.10 | PuffTheMagic | they are totally unrelated |
| 19:27.12 | th3vo1d | lol |
| 19:27.19 | PuffTheMagic | and why are you not promoting freeTether? |
| 19:27.21 | PatrickC_Pre2 | downloading MHS with the new Impostah |
| 19:27.45 | th3vo1d | uhoh pat, ur in for it now |
| 19:27.53 | halfhalo | gets popcorn |
| 19:27.54 | th3vo1d | ;P |
| 19:28.06 | scoutcamper | freetether>mhs (from a vzw user ) |
| 19:28.14 | PatrickC_Pre2 | cause sometimes with freeTether when I turn it off, it disabled my data |
| 19:28.20 | PatrickC_Pre2 | and it takes a full boot cycle to fix |
| 19:28.23 | PuffTheMagic | all your shit is messed up |
| 19:28.28 | th3vo1d | LOL |
| 19:28.29 | halfhalo | tethers with the epic... its a pain in the rear |
| 19:28.30 | PuffTheMagic | u have problems that no one else has |
| 19:28.39 | th3vo1d | this is true |
| 19:28.44 | PatrickC_Pre2 | its happened on 2 devices of mine |
| 19:29.02 | PuffTheMagic | maybe the problem is the user ;) |
| 19:29.11 | halfhalo | duh |
| 19:29.14 | th3vo1d | theres a data switch patch... |
| 19:29.30 | halfhalo | screws up his devices but actually knows what he is doing to them and how to fix them |
| 19:29.32 | th3vo1d | not sure if its 2.1 compatible |
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| 19:30.55 | PatrickC_Pre2 | I usually know how to fix what I mess up.. normally it takes a boot cycle to fix :) |
| 19:31.28 | PuffTheMagic | boot cycle, lol |
| 19:31.30 | PuffTheMagic | this isnt windows |
| 19:31.37 | halfhalo | yet |
| 19:31.38 | PuffTheMagic | reboots aint necessary ;) |
| 19:31.48 | halfhalo | looks around suspiciously |
| 19:33.30 | scoutcamper | s/isnt windows/isnt android/ |
| 19:33.43 | scoutcamper | ;) |
| 19:34.09 | halfhalo | thats true... the epic needs to be restarted every other day to work properly atm. grrrr android |
| 19:35.36 | th3vo1d | wow |
| 19:35.47 | th3vo1d | thats really sucky |
| 19:58.00 | th3vo1d | i would like to add, im sure PuffTheMagic meant android, as i only have to restart windows once every few weeks or so |
| 19:58.28 | PatrickC_Pre2 | windows is constantly needed a restart for updates for me lol |
| 19:58.36 | PatrickC_Pre2 | or just cause its being slow :/ |
| 19:59.44 | PatrickC_Pre2 | bbl |
| 20:00.00 | th3vo1d | wow user error again! |
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| 20:00.25 | PatrickC_Away | what? lol |
| 20:00.32 | th3vo1d | :-P |
| 20:00.46 | th3vo1d | are you using windows 7? |
| 20:01.15 | PatrickC_Away | windows 7 x64 with 4GB RAM and 2TB 250GB HDD space |
| 20:02.00 | th3vo1d | yea, definate user error, just like your pre |
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| 20:03.09 | th3vo1d | i put my laptop in standby all the time, hibernate overnight |
| 20:03.41 | th3vo1d | almost never have to restart |
| 20:03.47 | halfhalo | I don't hibernate, but my computers have ssd's as boot drives, so its fast to boot |
| 20:04.00 | Loudergood | mine is in standby all the time |
| 20:04.01 | halfhalo | and I have more than 4GB in all my windows machines so no hiberantion possible |
| 20:04.27 | Loudergood | yeah, hibernation files that large make me sad |
| 20:04.53 | th3vo1d | lol |
| 20:05.07 | th3vo1d | i have 4gb ram, never a problem |
| 20:05.13 | th3vo1d | 500gb drive |
| 20:05.15 | halfhalo | laptop can boot in under 10 seconds, so that is set to shutdown after 15 minutes of sleep |
| 20:05.48 | halfhalo | desktop either boots in 15 or in a min 15 depending, so that is shutdown when not in use as well |
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| 20:08.00 | Loudergood | yeah it just takes forever to write a hibernation file that large |
| 20:08.21 | halfhalo | ssd ftw |
| 20:08.23 | th3vo1d | wish i could afford an ssd and they didnt have so many issues |
| 20:08.37 | Loudergood | they're still not that fast at writes |
| 20:08.50 | Loudergood | at least mine isn't |
| 20:09.04 | th3vo1d | and you need to secure erase or TRIM |
| 20:09.07 | halfhalo | the one in my desktop will do 280Mb/s |
| 20:09.12 | th3vo1d | and they degreade over time anyways |
| 20:09.12 | SineOt | it depends on a ton of factors, like what exactly is getting written and if it supports TRIM or not |
| 20:09.16 | halfhalo | and have no issues with it |
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| 20:09.32 | SineOt | a hybernation file is something that an SSD would be awesome at since it's one big write and not a bunch of tiny little files |
| 20:09.38 | th3vo1d | and certain controllers dont like certain chipsets |
| 20:10.02 | th3vo1d | looks at AMD SB750 |
| 20:10.20 | halfhalo | then again, its not ocz ssd |
| 20:11.40 | halfhalo | is still rocking a 780I in his desktop |
| 20:11.42 | th3vo1d | its just not worth it to me, seeing how i am using more than 200gb of my 500gb |
| 20:12.02 | th3vo1d | and i dont want to mess with carrying around an external all day |
| 20:12.16 | th3vo1d | nothing wrong with core 2 |
| 20:12.39 | th3vo1d | my wife's autocad system is a 680i |
| 20:12.45 | halfhalo | my laptop has both a 64gb ssd and 500gb scorpio blu |
| 20:12.54 | th3vo1d | must be big |
| 20:13.26 | halfhalo | heh.. its running a q6600 at 3.6ghz and 6gb of ram atm. but the 780I has a freaking fsb hole in the middle |
| 20:13.36 | halfhalo | nah, laptop is a 14" |
| 20:13.46 | th3vo1d | a 14 with dual drive bays? |
| 20:13.56 | th3vo1d | no optical drive? |
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| 20:15.18 | SineOt | death to the optical drive |
| 20:15.33 | th3vo1d | haha |
| 20:15.46 | halfhalo | th second drive is hot swappable with a dvd burner, blu ray drve, h caddy, or battery |
| 20:16.02 | th3vo1d | is this a thinkpad? |
| 20:16.04 | renancoelho | Hi, I came here earlier and very helpful people told me to go to palm.com/rom so I could update and activate my phone. However now that I did all that, when i put all my information I get "you need to be connected to your wireless service provider's network to sign in." |
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| 20:16.35 | renancoelho | any suggestions? |
| 20:17.06 | th3vo1d | what carrier and phone? |
| 20:17.22 | renancoelho | Also, I am not a verizon user, I will use the phone with another provider, I am only trying to set up my profile so I can check if everything works... |
| 20:17.31 | renancoelho | sorry, palm pre plus verizon |
| 20:17.46 | th3vo1d | what carrier are you trying to use it with? |
| 20:17.46 | renancoelho | will use on another cdma carrier though... |
| 20:17.57 | renancoelho | Metro PCS |
| 20:18.01 | renancoelho | CDMA as well |
| 20:18.16 | th3vo1d | metro pcs is not a simple swap |
| 20:18.32 | renancoelho | is it possible? |
| 20:18.39 | th3vo1d | their services are provisioned differently from verizon |
| 20:19.04 | th3vo1d | do you have a partcular reason for using metropcs? |
| 20:19.12 | renancoelho | just price... |
| 20:19.26 | th3vo1d | because i would suggest page plus wireless if you are only worried about cost |
| 20:19.39 | th3vo1d | they use verizon's network |
| 20:19.44 | renancoelho | do they have it on florida? |
| 20:19.48 | th3vo1d | so your phone would work directly |
| 20:19.57 | th3vo1d | yes im in florida and i use them |
| 20:20.03 | renancoelho | I live in lake mary. |
| 20:20.27 | th3vo1d | http://www.pagepluscellular.com/ |
| 20:20.40 | th3vo1d | they work everywhere verizon wireless works |
| 20:20.58 | th3vo1d | the $30 plan is the best |
| 20:21.13 | renancoelho | sweet!! |
| 20:21.16 | th3vo1d | you get 1200 minutes and texts and 100mb data |
| 20:21.46 | th3vo1d | just keep your phone on wifi at home etc and you wont use up that much data |
| 20:24.26 | Loudergood | th3vo1d: that's exactly what I use |
| 20:24.34 | renancoelho | how do I set it up? |
| 20:24.53 | renancoelho | I cant sign in.. |
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| 20:27.11 | th3vo1d | you will need to call them up to activate your phone |
| 20:27.29 | th3vo1d | then you can buy phone time at any circle k |
| 20:27.50 | renancoelho | circle k? |
| 20:28.12 | th3vo1d | you know, the gas station |
| 20:28.20 | renancoelho | ok.. |
| 20:28.52 | renancoelho | their website doesnt seem to be able to find any stores near my address in orlando(lake mary). |
| 20:29.38 | th3vo1d | im sure theres some in orlando |
| 20:30.07 | renancoelho | is there a way to activate my profile without a network though? Cuz, I will only need a network next month, att has a hold on me for another month... |
| 20:30.13 | th3vo1d | http://maps.google.com/maps?client=opera&oe=utf-8&channel=suggest&ie=UTF8&q=circle+k+lake+mary&fb=1&gl=us&hq=circle+k&hnear=Lake+Mary,+Seminole,+Florida&ll=28.714679,-81.266556&spn=0.292068,0.653&t=h&z=11 |
| 20:30.54 | th3vo1d | yes, but you will need to modify your phone to do so, and then modify it again to undo it |
| 20:31.12 | halfhalo | page plus is vzw's own internal prepaid system. You shoul be able to go into a vzw store and activate there |
| 20:31.12 | th3vo1d | nope |
| 20:31.15 | th3vo1d | seperate company |
| 20:31.30 | th3vo1d | vzw prepaid is under the "inpulse" brand |
| 20:32.05 | renancoelho | do these pre paid have like couple plan? |
| 20:33.08 | renancoelho | I mean family plan... |
| 20:33.21 | halfhalo | herm, then what company did vzw launch for prepaid (not inpulse, there is another) which lets you activate any vzw smartphone on it... |
| 20:34.03 | th3vo1d | oh who knows, vzw has changed their prepaid service umpteen times |
| 20:35.13 | th3vo1d | well searching for sanford got me a result in the middle of lake mary |
| 20:35.40 | th3vo1d | robbins unlimited cellular, 136 E ALMA AVE, LAKE MARY, FL 32746 |
| 20:35.52 | renancoelho | also, once I set this up, is there a way to stop the data except wifi, cuz I don't want to be charged extra. Or does it simply stop once it reaches its limit of 100mb? |
| 20:35.53 | destinal | th3vo1d: can you activate sprint phones on page plus too? |
| 20:35.58 | th3vo1d | no |
| 20:36.03 | th3vo1d | err |
| 20:36.08 | th3vo1d | what do you mean? |
| 20:36.29 | th3vo1d | i have a sprint pre- with a vzw coms board on page plus |
| 20:36.30 | Loudergood | no they have to be verizon compatible |
| 20:36.47 | destinal | th3vo1d: ah, ok, vzw comm board will do it then, I have a couple of those handy |
| 20:37.12 | Loudergood | the only phones you can't activate are blackberries and inpulse phones |
| 20:37.19 | th3vo1d | they use the verizon network |
| 20:37.33 | th3vo1d | if a phone will work on vzw, it will work on page plus |
| 20:37.34 | SineOt | it's apparently just an MVNO for Verizon |
| 20:37.44 | renancoelho | the 30 dollar plan has a 100mb data on it, so once it reaches the 100mb it just stops right? they don't try to charge you extra? |
| 20:37.45 | th3vo1d | yes exactly |
| 20:37.51 | th3vo1d | correct |
| 20:37.55 | th3vo1d | its a prepaid plan |
| 20:38.04 | renancoelho | Ow... cool!!!! |
| 20:38.21 | th3vo1d | once you hit the limit, you get a text message telling you so |
| 20:39.27 | th3vo1d | ok im going home now lol, no sense staying by myself at the office any longer |
| 20:40.24 | renancoelho | wait! |
| 20:40.28 | SineOt | unless you wanted to steal all the office supplies |
| 20:40.29 | th3vo1d | what |
| 20:40.32 | renancoelho | one more question.... |
| 20:40.33 | destinal | lol |
| 20:40.47 | th3vo1d | no, thats my wife who would do that |
| 20:40.52 | renancoelho | but it does work on metro right? my wife kind of likes metro... |
| 20:41.10 | PuffTheMagic | NICE |
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| 20:41.18 | PuffTheMagic | sprint/google voicemail is working |
| 20:41.21 | PuffTheMagic | just enabled it |
| 20:41.29 | SineOt | awesome, where do you go to turn that on? |
| 20:41.30 | PatrickC_Pre2 | cool! |
| 20:41.52 | destinal | PuffTheMagic: did you keep your sprint # or your gvoice # to use natively on the phone? |
| 20:41.58 | PatrickC_Pre2 | I don't use google voice yet, so I can't use it |
| 20:42.00 | th3vo1d | so has anyone got a pre workng on metro or know of one? |
| 20:42.05 | PuffTheMagic | kept my native sprint number |
| 20:42.15 | PuffTheMagic | just enabled google voice mail |
| 20:42.29 | PatrickC_Pre2 | PuffTheMagic: 2.1 sprint pre? |
| 20:42.38 | renancoelho | Has anyone been able to make a verizon palm plus work on metro? |
| 20:42.43 | PuffTheMagic | PatrickC_Pre2, on my pixi 1.4.5 |
| 20:42.50 | PatrickC_Pre2 | ah ok |
| 20:43.15 | PuffTheMagic | destinal, if u have a gvoice account click on your number in the top right, then click on the link, activate google voicemail on this phone |
| 20:43.35 | PuffTheMagic | well u need to add a mobile phone for forwarding first u dont already |
| 20:43.43 | PuffTheMagic | forwarding does not need to be enabled |
| 20:43.48 | PuffTheMagic | but thats how u add a real phone number |
| 20:44.25 | PatrickC_Pre2 | cool, I'll look into google voice |
| 20:44.41 | PuffTheMagic | Hello, hello baby body bumper, c she fell through seem Michelle's by the seashore. The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog back testing 12344321 super calloused fragile mystic X P L A ocean, bye. |
| 20:44.48 | PuffTheMagic | ^^ my dads test message |
| 20:44.55 | PuffTheMagic | transcript is sorta close |
| 20:45.38 | th3vo1d | renancoelho: lets just say its not easily doable and leave it at that |
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| 20:47.48 | SineOt | the transcripts can range from pretty easy to understand to completely nonsensical |
| 20:47.52 | PuffTheMagic | is there a special app in 2.1 that does google voicemail |
| 20:48.00 | PuffTheMagic | there needs to be some better integration on the phone side now |
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| 20:48.32 | renancoelho | I was told they could I just wouldn't have data, but I am cool with that as long as I have wifi and cell phone usage.. |
| 20:51.02 | PatrickC_Pre2 | the unlocked pre2 will work on metro (or companies like them) |
| 20:51.14 | halfhalo | umm.. no it won;t |
| 20:51.20 | halfhalo | metro is cmda |
| 20:51.40 | Loudergood | lol |
| 20:52.00 | halfhalo | unless in the last week they went and completely changed their architecture |
| 20:52.04 | SineOt | puts PatrickC_Pre2 in the corner |
| 20:52.41 | renancoelho | all I want to do is be able to login to it and use the wifi and appstore, until I leave ATT next month... |
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| 20:53.07 | renancoelho | cuz right now I have a really old phone and cant do much with it... |
| 20:54.03 | SineOt | renancoelho: look into the Meta-doctor |
| 20:54.12 | PatrickC_Pre2 | metro is CDMA? didn't know that... ok, well what about Strait Talk? (walmart's GSM) |
| 20:54.12 | SineOt | be warned that it's a hell of a lot of effort involved |
| 20:54.27 | halfhalo | to metadoctor? |
| 20:54.39 | renancoelho | what kind of effort? |
| 20:54.42 | SineOt | well, to get set up, now that you can't do it in cgywin :p |
| 20:54.55 | renancoelho | metro charges 10 dollars to do the unlocking themselves... |
| 20:55.16 | halfhalo | heh... I was amazed when the metametascripts first came out. It was like "wooooaaaaa" |
| 20:57.10 | halfhalo | goes back to setting up winxp comp |
| 20:57.53 | SineOt | renancoelho: do you have an OSX system, or an ubuntu linux one? |
| 20:58.32 | renancoelho | yep, I use ubuntu(dual booting windows) although new to it. right now on windows. |
| 20:58.54 | SineOt | ah |
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| 20:59.00 | SineOt | well, that's most of the effort right there |
| 21:00.16 | SineOt | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:MetaDoctor |
| 21:02.12 | renancoelho | wow, scary! |
| 21:07.41 | renancoelho | SineOt: so once I do this I will be able to just login and use the wifi? will I have to do anything else before taking it to MetroPCS(phonecompany) |
| 21:07.52 | NuttyBunny | renancoelho: not that scary, setting it up is the fun part, after that, just one command and you're good to go |
| 21:08.59 | SineOt | you'll have to doctor it back to normal, yeah |
| 21:09.10 | SineOt | and I don't think MetroPCS does uh... Proper stuff with webOS |
| 21:09.30 | renancoelho | ok, thanks! |
| 21:09.32 | SineOt | I remember reading something about their flashing being done with like, 1.3.1 or something |
| 21:09.53 | renancoelho | also, how come there isn't an easier way to do all this now that it is legal to unlock phone? |
| 21:10.15 | NuttyBunny | perhaps because the unlocking thing applies for gsm only? |
| 21:10.33 | renancoelho | cdma too isn't it? |
| 21:10.44 | SineOt | you can unlock CDMA, kind of sort of |
| 21:11.17 | SineOt | it's more that CDMA doesn't require a lot of the same settings to be changeable on the phone, so what it's programed for in the OS is what it's got, etc |
| 21:12.04 | renancoelho | and to doctor it back to normal? just use the regular palm doctor? |
| 21:12.41 | wgreenhouse | renancoelho: the fact that it's no longer an offense the phone company can sue you over does not require them to make it easy or even technically possible |
| 21:12.53 | SineOt | yup |
| 21:13.52 | renancoelho | I'll tell you something cool, i am from brazil and there they made a law for cell phone companies to stop all this bull. |
| 21:14.24 | phoque_uni | urgs |
| 21:14.41 | phoque_uni | I'm trying to implement spline curves in the Govnah lineGraph class |
| 21:14.47 | phoque_uni | it's a bit trickier than I thought |
| 21:14.48 | phoque_uni | :-D |
| 21:15.12 | renancoelho | It drives me crazy what phone companies do!! |
| 21:15.25 | renancoelho | Anyhow, thanks so much for the help guys!!!! |
| 21:15.31 | renancoelho | I got to go... |
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