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00:08.20mgschuanyone have exprience with ipkg build? it's requiring that I have a 'source' line in control
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00:28.33rwhitbymghttp://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Packaging_Standards
00:28.42rwhitbymgschu: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Packaging_Standards
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01:37.44bubby323the damn volume rocker button broke :(
01:38.16bubby323NuttyBunny
01:38.28bubby323Loudergood
01:38.38NuttyBunnyNooooo!!
01:38.49NuttyBunnyI forgot to warn you about that! :S
01:38.51Loudergoodbroke broke?
01:38.54bubby323D:
01:38.55Loudergooddamnit
01:38.55NuttyBunnyI broke mine too :'(
01:39.03bubby323the thing isnt there anymore
01:39.08bubby323it must have fallen out
01:39.14bubby323should have taken it out
01:39.15Loudergoodthe plastic button or the other thing?
01:39.15bubby323:(
01:39.20bubby323other thing behind it
01:39.37bubby323that sends the action to the mb
01:39.47Loudergoodbets it's just stuck in the phone somewhere
01:39.49bubby323hopefully adela will love me
01:39.55Loudergoodor did you already take it apart?
01:39.55bubby323i took it apart
01:40.00bubby323not there
01:40.16NuttyBunnyoh... crap... that's bad... on mine it just broke some wires and it doesn't work, but it has the buttons there
01:41.38bubby323yes the wire
01:41.40bubby323behind it
01:42.12bubby323i sent an email to adela
01:43.10NuttyBunnywell, at least you didn't leave the screw that it just below the FCC sticker and toyed around with the slider
01:43.29NuttyBunnyI managed to break that ribbon cable...
01:43.44NuttyBunnynow my Pre doesn't see the modem, among other things
01:44.10bubby323ooo
01:44.12bubby323that sucks
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01:44.50NuttyBunnyyou have no idea, I began with the volume buttons, then the cable... :S
01:44.53bubby323are they going to give me shit about the seal being broken on the screw?
01:45.33bubby323WHAT! THE PATCH FOR VOLUME IN THE DEVICE MENU ISNT FOR 2.0.1?
01:45.35j_johna_jhello
01:45.37bubby323D::::::
01:45.56SineOtVZW Pre2?
01:46.00bubby323yes
01:46.04bubby323sprint convert
01:46.11bubby323broke the volume toggle wire
01:47.45bubby323sigh
01:49.21j_johna_jI am having an issue with preware updating apps on my sprint pre. it shows the updates but when i try to start the download it just spins and never completes the download. it only happens in preware i am able to complete the update on app catalog apps with no problem
01:49.26j_johna_jany ideas
01:50.13bubby323restart your phone
01:50.17bubby323or reinstall preware
01:52.00j_johna_jya i tried a couple of restarts but no joy. i was hoping not to have to uninstall/install preware, just cause im lazy
01:52.21NuttyBunnyas always... device version?
01:52.40j_johna_jsprint pre no mods 1.4.5
01:53.10NuttyBunnymmm... latest preware?
01:53.16j_johna_jues
01:53.18j_johna_jyes
01:53.33NuttyBunnyand the apps are homebrew ones or catalog ones?
01:53.57bubby323is there a patch for volume in device menu NuttyBunny?
01:54.30j_johna_jyes nothing will update. i tried to update evernote over 3g and wifi a few times with no luck. updated fine through the app catalog
01:55.57NuttyBunnybubby323: I see one in preware :)
01:56.07bubby323whats it called/
01:56.08bubby323?
01:56.28NuttyBunnytop-bar-media-volume-in-device-menu
01:56.57NuttyBunnyj_johna_j: I'd update catalog apps thru the updates app, and preware installed ones with preware
01:57.05NuttyBunnythat's what I do always
01:57.23j_johna_jthe preware installed ones wont update either
01:57.36bubby323NuttyBunny I have 2.0.1
01:57.37bubby323:/
01:58.57NuttyBunnybubbu323: mmm... forget it, I think it's one of those placeholders :S
01:59.41NuttyBunnyj_johna_j: Well, I'd uninstall Preware, reboot, then reinstall it
02:00.04j_johna_jalready starting too, thanks
02:00.09j_johna_jill let you know how it goes
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02:02.26NuttyBunnybubby323: Wiki updated, too bad that you have to go through this :(
02:03.10bubby323:/
02:03.57bubby323updated what?
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02:04.51NuttyBunnythe wiki, I put a small advice for everyone trying this to be extra careful with the volume buttons
02:04.56bubby323ok
02:05.33bubby323i played dumb so a replacement should be coming soon
02:05.38bubby323:)
02:06.21bubby323ahh Portal 2
02:06.23bubby323:D
02:07.17NuttyBunnymmm... ok.. :P
02:07.26NuttyBunnytries (again) with Android
02:07.44bubby323I <3 Android
02:07.55bubby323but WebOS is definitely a better OS
02:08.00bubby323imho
02:08.09NuttyBunnyI don't, it's just for research :)
02:08.27bubby323what phone?
02:08.56NuttyBunnyPre Plus
02:09.10bubby323Android?
02:09.39NuttyBunnyWhy does anyone check PreCentral? :P
02:09.43NuttyBunnydoesn't
02:10.00SineOtNuttyBunny: let me know how it goes, yeah?
02:10.02bubby323WOAH HOLY CRAP!
02:10.26NuttyBunnySineOt: Stupid thing, why does it boots on Pre's but not on my Plus? :@
02:10.38SineOtno idea, I couldn't get it to boot on my Plus either
02:11.36NuttyBunnyI have to make it work... it will be sooo funny to see my girlfriend's face.. :D
02:11.42bubby323lol
02:11.43LoudergoodI don't see any technical reason an android chroot couldn't be done....but that's just a lot of work
02:11.45bubby323i have 3 pres
02:11.57bubby323-
02:13.05bubby323looks like a reason to put one of them back together
02:14.01NuttyBunnyI need to run novacomd first to have control
02:16.00bubby323yeup
02:19.28NuttyBunnyon the Pre, on boot, before anything else :=
02:19.30NuttyBunny:)
02:20.36NuttyBunnygrrr.. why doesn't it work?? the worst part is that I cannot see what's happening :(
02:20.46bubby323:) i get to keep this pre
02:20.50bubby323and they are sending me a new one
02:20.51bubby323win
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02:23.07PatrickC_Prewill probably be doctoring his pre2 tonight :/
02:30.01Loudergoodtime to sprintify?
02:30.33PatrickC_Preno, time to fix wirc
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02:40.34smr_Hey I have a palm pre on sprint that isn't activated for the network because I got another phone. Is there any way I can download applications by being only on wifi?
02:41.29PatrickC_Preuse a meta-doctor to bypass activation and first use or a 2.1 script that is --wifi-only
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03:23.02PatrickC_Presmr_: did that help?
03:43.06RagingMindNuttyBunny, is there a wiki/other page that's tracking 2.1 on pixi progress?
03:44.18NuttyBunnyRagingMind: No, nothing yet, and I don't think Rod will want to host it :)
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04:09.32PatrickC_Prehmm.. I found the AppsToAllowInLowMemory :)
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04:25.34smr_yeah, that helped PatrickC_Pre, thanks I'm just reading through the wiki now
04:25.54PatrickC_Preare you 2.1'ing the pre?
04:29.23smr_yeah
04:29.39PatrickC_PreI love 2.1 on my pre-
04:30.23smr_can you get apps on the app catalog with wifi only version?
04:30.41PatrickC_Preyep, as long as you log into a palm profile
04:31.11PatrickC_Prewhich the good folks over at webos-internals fixed it so you can make/login to a Palm profile over wifi
04:31.47PatrickC_Pregot Agenda View working outside of Exhibition!!
04:32.08PatrickC_Prewith landscape!!
04:32.38SineOtisn't that the easy part :I
04:32.41SineOtit's just an app
04:33.16SineOtgetting it to launch in exhibition while on a touchstone and still do landscape is the hard part
04:33.33PatrickC_Preyeah.. working on that
04:34.48PatrickC_PreAgenda View has a preferences scene where you can choose the bg
04:36.10SineOtI'm sure a lot of them have similar, yeah
04:36.22PatrickC_Prebut how to access it...
04:49.32PatrickC_Preis making his first patch :D
04:51.46PatrickC_Premy patch worked!! yay
04:58.26zingeAre you working on getting the exhibition apps to do landscape on the touchstone?
04:58.49PatrickC_Preyeah
04:58.54PatrickC_Prebut thats not the patch I made :)
04:59.04PatrickC_Preanyone know the appid of the skype app?
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05:41.32egadsgood evening all... here to chat and help if needed
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06:09.46smr_is connecting your phone by USB with Ubuntu in Virtualbox on Windows 7 not supported? It won't recognized my phone connection in the HP Webos Doctor.
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06:10.06smr_Novacom 32-bit is installed for linux
06:10.09SineOtcopy the meta-doctored jar file that you built to Windows 7
06:10.11SineOtand run it there
06:10.19SineOtLinux is only required to -build- the metadoctor
06:10.28smr_ok
06:10.38SineOtrunning is supported under Windows and saves you the hassle of dealing with USB pass through to virtual box
06:10.41egadsI had t obuild in win7 and execute in ubuntu
06:10.57SineOtegads: building in windows isn't supported any more
06:11.07egadsI built in cygwin actually
06:11.31SineOtand that's what's not supported now :p
06:11.49egadstwo weeks ... oh well
06:12.02egadstime flys
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06:19.42egadslater - will try to log on more oftem
06:19.49egadsm>n
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08:19.01rwhitbyWorking on something. Need appid for free #webOS apps that are only in a) Sprint b) VZW c) ATT d) O2 e) SFR f) US g) UK h) DE app catalogs.
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10:26.34jetteroevery now and again, when I rsync files to my media/internal wallpapers, the photo app loses track of things queerly.  I'm looking for a way to rescan/rebuild the mediadb
10:26.48jetteropalm://com.palm.applicationManager/rescan is apparently just for the luancher
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11:48.23rwhitbyAnyone suffering from geo-restricted apps, and wants to test something which may fix it?
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13:43.44PatrickC_Sleepinrwhitby: Mobile Hotspot?
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15:01.13PatrickC_PrePuffTheMagic: you wanna work on the wIRC issue?
15:23.38PatrickC_Preanyone in here done the android dualboot yet?
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16:41.30PatrickC_PreI'm trying to doctor my pre2, but the doctor has been at 9% for the past 15-20min
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16:45.28PatrickC_Prewhat happens when I disconnect my phone in the middle of a doctor?
16:50.17th3vo1dyou get to run doctor again
16:50.58PatrickC_Predoes it hurt the phone?
16:51.18PatrickC_Prethe doctor has been on 9% for about 15-20 min
16:52.04th3vo1dwhat step in the log is it stuck on?
16:52.45PatrickC_Prehow do I check the log (I haven't had to do so yet, so I don't know yet)
16:53.30th3vo1dyou run it from the command line
16:54.02th3vo1djava -jar yourdoctorname.jar
16:54.03PatrickC_Prewith the "java -jar" command?
16:54.07PatrickC_Preok
16:54.45th3vo1dit shouldnt hurt the phone, doctor just overwrites everything every time by default
16:55.17PatrickC_Preok, doctor closed.. gonna run from command line now
16:55.45th3vo1di think at 9% its just about to start the memory flash or it has just started
16:55.51PatrickC_PreI still have the pic of a CPU on my phone screen
16:56.09th3vo1dtry running it as is
16:56.30th3vo1dotherwise you will need to restart to recovery mode
16:56.54PatrickC_Preok, it'll be about 5 min before I can run the doctor again
16:57.04th3vo1dwhy
16:57.59PatrickC_PreI was running the doctor from a USB drive (its a meta-doctor on a PC I didn't make the doctor on)
16:58.19PatrickC_Preand I can't cd into the usb drive from the command line
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16:59.12PuffTheMagicPatrickC_Pre, u got impostah?
16:59.21PatrickC_Preon the phone yeah
16:59.26PuffTheMagicerr lumberjack i mean
16:59.50PatrickC_Prebut the phone has the CPU screen on it
16:59.57PatrickC_Preyeah I got that too
17:00.22PuffTheMagicwhat does lumberjack show for the wirc appid?
17:00.46PatrickC_Preon the phone with the faulty wirc?
17:01.02PatrickC_Prethat's the one with the CPU screen
17:01.40PuffTheMagiccpu screen?
17:02.00PatrickC_PreI tried to doctor it, and it got to 9% and locked up
17:02.03th3vo1dfirmware load screen
17:02.09PatrickC_Pre^^ yep
17:03.24PatrickC_Prepufthemagic: I don't think its actually overwritten any files yet, I can still try and look
17:05.29th3vo1dgo ahead and try, i dont think it overwrites anything until after 10%
17:05.44PatrickC_PreI'll try to boot it
17:06.09jefferaiFor Preware on the Pre 2, we should use the Pre version, not Pixi version, right?
17:06.41PatrickC_PreI don't think there's a different version
17:06.54PatrickC_PreI installed the same version on all my pre/pixi phones
17:07.09jefferaithe web site says that there are two feeds
17:07.45PatrickC_Preth3void, puffthemagic: I'm at the glowing HP screen so I guess its booting
17:08.01PatrickC_Prejefferai: I would say the pre version then
17:08.34PatrickC_Preumm... th3void: it removed all apps, except the stock apps..
17:08.56PatrickC_Preand I'm still logged into my palm profile..
17:10.26PatrickC_Prescratches head
17:12.34th3vo1dweird
17:13.01PatrickC_Preand my USB drive hasnt been touched...
17:13.09PatrickC_Prenor the settings on the phone
17:13.27PatrickC_Preall my patches are still there too, as well as wifi profiles
17:13.40PatrickC_Preand email profiles
17:13.40th3vo1dbut the apps are all gone?
17:14.06PatrickC_Preall, except stock and my one bookmark that I put on the launcher
17:14.23th3vo1dcan you tell if they are still in app storage?
17:14.29PatrickC_Preand Agenda View that I made visible
17:14.30PatrickC_PreI'll check
17:15.10PatrickC_Pre<PROTECTED>
17:15.16th3vo1dno idea
17:15.25th3vo1dnever looked myself
17:15.49th3vo1dPuffTheMagic: ?
17:16.01PatrickC_Preonly the com.palm.app.findapps (app catalog) is there
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17:18.10th3vo1dthis is why you should always run doctor from the command line
17:19.14PatrickC_PreI never knew that.. lol
17:19.28PatrickC_Preso, should I precede with the doctor?
17:19.59th3vo1di guess, since you dont have wirc anymore
17:20.12PatrickC_Presorry puffthemagic..
17:23.17PatrickC_Preis watching the doctor run from cmd line for the first time :)
17:24.28PatrickC_Preit looks like at 8% it does app deletion
17:27.31PatrickC_PreI'm gonna go eat lunch, then come back and check on the doctor
17:27.33PatrickC_Prebbl
17:28.31th3vo1dmust have passed 9%
17:28.39th3vo1dlunchtime here also
17:31.47PatrickC_Awayit failed.. I'm at the faild screen
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18:19.39PatrickC_PreI officially have the palm.com/rom screen :/
18:20.57Loudergoodwhere'd you get your doctor?
18:21.18PatrickC_Premeta-doctor
18:21.29Loudergoodgot that screen when he kept on insisting that he could doctor without going into full recoverymode
18:21.34PatrickC_Prebut now I'm doing an official doctor, to fix anything..
18:21.48PatrickC_PreI always go into recovery mode
18:22.20PatrickC_Preafter this doctor finishes (hopefully) I'll meta-doctor again
18:22.53PatrickC_Prewe are at the previous fail point
18:22.58PatrickC_Precrosses fingers
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18:24.55PatrickC_Prewe are doctoring!! yay, passed the previous fail point
18:26.41th3vo1dwhat was the fail point?
18:27.24PatrickC_Prethere was so much log, I just assumed it was at 9% again.. but it went to the "unable to reset your device" screen
18:27.32PatrickC_PreI can paste the log in a few if needed
18:27.57PatrickC_Pres/needed/needed and or wanted/
18:33.09PatrickC_Predoctor done. phone is booting
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18:40.02PatrickC_Prehmm.. it could be that I built the doctor with cygwin...
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18:49.27PatrickC_Premeta-doctor seems to be working now.. will let uall know if it works
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19:18.32PatrickC_Preth3vo1d: you here?
19:29.40Loudergoodok...and there goes a phone reboot just as I'm watching it sit there...
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19:49.12jaklhi :)
19:50.08jaklam i right here, if i want to ask for the linphone alpha testing link?
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20:02.46NuttyBunnywalks in showing off his brand (not new) Pixi!! :D
20:11.47PatrickC_Awayyeah!!!
20:12.26PatrickC_Awaynuttybunny: I doctored :'(
20:13.03NuttyBunnyoh, too bad :(    that's a really, really nasty bug
20:13.03th3vo1dlol
20:13.28PatrickC_Awayyeah it is
20:13.37PatrickC_Awayit took 5 tries to get the doctor to work
20:13.50PatrickC_Away4*
20:14.12NuttyBunnycrap... that sucks!
20:14.17PatrickC_Away2 failed meta-doctors, then 1 successful original doctor, then 1 working meta-doctor
20:14.24PatrickC_Awayyeah it does..
20:14.32PatrickC_Awayand it didn't erase the USB partition!! lol
20:14.40NuttyBunnyah, that's great!
20:14.54PatrickC_Awaybut my bug might be USB related :/
20:14.58PatrickC_Awayhaven't tried yet
20:15.03NuttyBunnyhold on, gotta hibernate, boot into windows, unlock the Pixi, and return
20:15.05NuttyBunnyreally?
20:15.19NuttyBunnyit happened to me too, so it's not an isolated case
20:15.25PatrickC_Awaywell, there is a wIRC folder stored on the USB partition
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20:16.35NuttyBunnyyep, even erasing it the bug comes
20:16.48PatrickC_Awayerasing what?
20:16.57NuttyBunnythe folder
20:17.06PatrickC_AwayI hope my bug's gone
20:17.30NuttyBunnyshould be
20:17.32th3vo1dwhats this bug
20:17.38PatrickC_Awayor I'm erasing the entire media/internal/ folder :/
20:17.51NuttyBunnywIRC keeps "waiting for plugin" forever when opened
20:17.53PatrickC_AwaywIRC not loading the plugin
20:18.08th3vo1dnever got taht, 2.1 specific?
20:18.58NuttyBunnycould be, I was in 2.1 at the time
20:19.02PatrickC_Awaymine was 2.1
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20:20.51PatrickC_Awayhay nicknick
20:21.47PatrickC_Awaysaved package list restoring
20:23.39PatrickC_Awaybrb
20:29.26NickNickhey PatrickC_Away
20:30.40PatrickC_Awayback
20:31.52PatrickC_Awayhow's it goin nicknick?
20:32.03NickNickpretty good. trying to stay awake in this meeting...
20:32.15NickNickhow're you?
20:32.48PatrickC_Away'bout to throw my pre2 into a wall, but other then that.. good :p
20:33.08NickNickstarting a new sport? Pre2 discus?
20:33.16PatrickC_Awaylol
20:33.39NickNickanything i can help with?
20:34.30PatrickC_Prena, it just took 4 doctor attempts to fix (and I'm not sure if its fixed yet)
20:34.40NickNicksheesh. what'd you do?
20:34.48PatrickC_PrewIRC....
20:36.03PatrickC_Preit had a bug that could not be fixed (afaik)
20:36.10NickNickno good
20:36.31PatrickC_Preand I'm not sure if its fixed yet (still restoring the phone)
20:37.05PatrickC_Preme and puffthemagic worked on it last night, and couldn't figure it out...
20:40.34NickNickok, guess i have to pay attention in this meeting... :)
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21:16.17PuffTheMagicPatrickC_Away, idk u can even call it a wirc bug when your phone is so screwed up
21:16.23PatrickC_Awayeven after a doctor, I'm still having wifi issues :'(
21:16.47PatrickC_Awaywell, the only thing not working correctly was wIRC (and sometimes wifi would act up)
21:16.49Loudergoodperhaps you're having router issues
21:16.59rwhitbyPatrickC_Away: your bug is using cygwin to create the meta-doctor.
21:17.29PatrickC_Prerwhitby: but I used cygwin to make a meta-doctor that didn't break wirc
21:17.52PatrickC_Preloudergood: the wifi radio sometimes won't turn on.. it takes a full boot cycle to fix usually
21:18.16rwhitbyPatrickC_Pre: yep, that just shows how unreliable cygwin is for building meta-doctors
21:18.32PatrickC_PreI'm not gonna use it again though..
21:18.54rwhitby"I used this thing which works some of the time - why are you saying that's bad"
21:19.12rwhitbythat's basically what you're saying, right?
21:19.50PatrickC_Prenot really, its not reliable, as I've seen personally, so I'm not gonna use it again. even if it was still supported
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21:23.22PatrickC_Pre2well, wIRC works now
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21:34.45SimpsonTPsome1 here with exchange active sync experience ? I'm having serious performance issues with the email part
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21:50.49rcubecan I get a little advice regarding listeners? i can't seem to understand what I am doing wrong but it is not cleaned.
21:51.12SimpsonTPrcube, /topic ?
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21:52.26rcubesorry i don't understand /topic but the topic is just I have a listener, i have code to clean the listener in 2.x, the emulator says that I didn't specify a target but I think I did. Is /topic a command?
21:53.18NuttyBunnyrwhitby said that you should read the channel's topic
21:53.27rcubeoh
21:53.33NuttyBunnyspecifically the part that says: (not webOS SDK usage - #webos for that) :)
21:53.35rwhitbysaid nothing
21:53.46NuttyBunnyah, sorry
21:53.56NuttyBunnySimpsonTP said
21:54.02rcubeahhh yah. that channel is dead atm. ok i understand. BTW thanks for your work on the Pixi
21:54.09NuttyBunnymixed wires, too many things in my mind right now
21:54.27SimpsonTPnp :)
21:55.13NuttyBunnybut you won't deny that "rcube, /topic ?" was a typical rwhitby answer :D
21:55.39SimpsonTPI think its a very common IRC answer
21:55.49SimpsonTPwe use it on #swig like 10x a day ;)
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22:20.28NuttyBunnyPixi unlocked :D
22:20.48NuttyBunnyrwhitby: Is there a way to know if it has been activated, and where it was in 1.4.5?
22:21.20rwhitbyhmm
22:21.57rwhitbyis it a pixi or pixi plus?
22:22.06NuttyBunnyPlus
22:22.20NuttyBunnyperhaps it was activated with AT&T, it came with an AT&T SIM
22:22.33rwhitbythat'd be a safe assumption
22:22.57rwhitbyyou could look for evidence of a first use patch
22:23.35NuttyBunnyIt's used, and I think it was full-erased before shipped
22:25.33PatrickC_Pre2I know on my CDMA devices, I can do ##786# and it will tell me the activation date
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22:35.19bnceoNuttyBunny: is this the 2.1 experiment?
22:44.29PatrickC_Pre2is waiting for his patch to be approved
22:45.12keithpatch for what?
22:45.17NuttyBunnybnceo: yup, got it today, still trying to unlock it
22:45.22NuttyBunny(mine)
22:45.46bnceook
22:45.48bnceocoolies
22:45.59PatrickC_Pre2keith: it hides the SIM Toolkit app from the launcher
22:46.17keithahh
22:46.39PatrickC_Pre2I hate seeing that app in the launcher
22:47.00NuttyBunnymove it to the last page :P
22:47.15NuttyBunnyedit the .json with vi
22:47.16NuttyBunny:D
22:47.24NuttyBunnyappinfo.json
22:49.24PatrickC_Pre2NuttyBunny: I made "visible":"false"
22:49.42NuttyBunnyyep, exactly :D
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23:12.52NuttyBunnyback to windows, it was supposed to be unlocked, but no :@
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23:36.38PatrickC_Pre2nuttybunny: ping
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