| 00:00.14 | RagingMind | wow... everyone is selling pixis for cheap |
| 00:00.43 | Thibaud | rwhitby: agreed! I'm not surprised, though, more or less expected that because of the dynamically-loaded libraries. |
| 00:01.02 | splashote | hi guys, i'm using ubuntu and i'm trying to install the newest novacom-version. the installation fails because novacon is still running. i can't kill the process, it's being restarted "automatically".. could you give me a hint how to kill it? |
| 00:01.37 | ajay_ | hey what's the deal with this nova-browser thing? it looks like it's just a jar, yes? Any reason it can't run on Linux/ |
| 00:01.38 | ajay_ | ? |
| 00:02.02 | rwhitby | none at all |
| 00:02.24 | rwhitby | splashote: stop the upstart job |
| 00:02.32 | splashote | ajay_: check your java version, i just read that it doesnt work with openjdk |
| 00:03.02 | ajay_ | cries.. why does palm hate Linux..! *sniff* |
| 00:03.26 | RagingMind | purging the old package would work too, but stopping the job is probably faster |
| 00:03.36 | RagingMind | splashote, ^ |
| 00:04.25 | splashote | rwhitby, RagingMind: ok, how do i kill the upstart job without knowing it's name.. ;) |
| 00:04.47 | RagingMind | I wish HPalm would supply debian packages, I hate having to run the service manually, and so far I've been to lazy to hack another init script to do it |
| 00:04.49 | Thibaud | rwhitby: I've seen this already when manually running the service on the emu: every time I would forget to stop the service before launching the palm-install, it would end up with one crippled (read 0 byte) library |
| 00:05.29 | RagingMind | splashote, in that case I suggest removing/purging the old package 'dpkg -P palm-novacom' |
| 00:05.34 | Thibaud | rwhitby: let me confirm this right now on the emu |
| 00:06.30 | Thibaud | rwhitby: I'll test on my Pre, I forgot emu has another issue... |
| 00:06.41 | rwhitby | Thibaud: then we need to install the libraries into /var/usr/lib/ too |
| 00:06.45 | rwhitby | and rpath to them |
| 00:06.49 | RagingMind | splashote, though the situation just doesn't sound right. the scripts in the package should automatically be stopping the service if that's required for an upgrade |
| 00:07.49 | Thibaud | rwhitby: so 50-50! I update the rpath link and you update the posting/prerm scripts? ;) But I test on the Pre first so we sort this out. |
| 00:08.16 | rwhitby | yep, once the problem is actually positively confirmed, the solution is easy |
| 00:08.21 | rwhitby | but no solutions to guesses. |
| 00:08.38 | Thibaud | rwhitby: true! |
| 00:09.06 | splashote | RagingMind: hm, i'm getting confused. even after removing the package the process blocks the reinstallation. |
| 00:09.43 | RagingMind | so the package is removed or purged? |
| 00:10.07 | splashote | i used the dkpg -P you recomended |
| 00:10.18 | RagingMind | anyone know if novacom uses lockfiles? heh |
| 00:10.47 | RagingMind | splashote, without digging into the packages scripts my next suggestion is a computer restart, heh |
| 00:11.49 | splashote | RagingMind: :D ok, i already waited for that one. thanks for your help, nice to see that i receive help although i'm not that deep into the whole coding stuff ;) |
| 00:13.27 | splashote | just one more question: i'm aiming at replacing the autoreplace file in /en_us/ with that one from /de_de/. over at precentral I found a thread where a guy used WebOS QuickInstall to do that. I tried too but I could not replace the file.. is root required for that? |
| 00:13.47 | RagingMind | I'm not much of a programmer, just 12ish years of running debian or ubuntu systems |
| 00:14.18 | RagingMind | many strange package installation problems |
| 00:16.04 | splashote | that's where you learn stuff: through problems and other people. i'm in my second singlebooting, so you're some years ahead. anyway, i'll try to root the pre to get rid of the autoreplacing |
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| 00:36.13 | Thibaud | rwhitby: get this speaks for itself http://pastebin.com/Ui2S8iij |
| 00:37.12 | rwhitby | Thibaud: ah, that's the 1.4.5 cryptofs bug I think |
| 00:37.19 | Thibaud | s/get/guess/ |
| 00:37.29 | Thibaud | rwhitby: we can see the installer is being stopped in the installation process because of a locked library (libeXosip2.so.4 in this case) |
| 00:38.37 | rwhitby | Thibaud: line 80 is the key - it's the 1.4.5 cryptofs bug |
| 00:39.30 | rwhitby | so we copy libs to /var/usr/lib and rpath to there. |
| 00:39.36 | rwhitby | bbl |
| 00:39.51 | Thibaud | rwhitby: ok, trust you on this one. But I'm not surprised writing is not possible on a locked file. Is that the bug? |
| 00:39.55 | ajay_ | see ya folks! |
| 00:40.05 | Thibaud | ajay_: bye |
| 00:40.12 | ajay_ | Thibaud: oh and THANK you! |
| 00:40.18 | ajay_ | oh let me make a call before i go.. |
| 00:40.30 | Thibaud | ajay_: my pleasure, trust me! :) |
| 00:42.32 | ajay_ | Thibaud: It doesn't work, looks like it might be a wifi issue! (is that possible?) |
| 00:43.34 | Thibaud | ajay_: dunno, but need facts! just provide more details about 'it doesn't work' and I'll be happy to analyze |
| 00:44.13 | ajay_ | Thibaud: How was my post on the forum? need more facts? hmm, i better check if you replied there.. ;) |
| 00:46.20 | Thibaud | ajay_: oops, my bad then. So you did your duty, need to do mine :^) |
| 00:46.49 | Thibaud | rwhitby: shouldn't the path where to put the libraries be a bit more dependent on the app's name, so no collision ever happens? Like /var/usr/lib/org.webosinternals.linphone? |
| 00:47.41 | ajay_ | doesn't see the thread tools on precentral.net easily.. gah |
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| 00:53.29 | ajay_ | anybody want to test a quick SIP call w/ me before I go? (You have to be able to call a SIP URI, not just a number) |
| 00:55.56 | Thibaud | ajay_: keyboard input is on my shortlist, so SIP URI will happen soon under webOS Linphone |
| 00:56.16 | oc80z | vol-up + power , drops to bootie, is there init=/bin/bb options for boot? |
| 00:58.58 | ajay_ | hm, doesn't look like P|C PM'ing allows attachments. Boo. |
| 01:00.52 | ajay_ | Thibaud: ok i'm off, feel free to reply on the thread to let me know anything i can do to test/whatnot! |
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| 01:05.15 | PatrickC_Pre | hay |
| 01:10.16 | Thibaud | PatrickC_Pre: hey |
| 01:14.34 | PatrickC_Pre | how's it goin? |
| 01:15.42 | Thibaud | RagingMind: confirmed the " left me without an icon for it (just a box and the name under it) and it wouldn't launch when I tapped it" issue you reported. Will fix this asap so updating (without prior removal) is a breeze |
| 01:16.03 | Thibaud | RagingMind: thanks for reporting this issue |
| 01:17.17 | nebula | o.O |
| 01:18.12 | Josef_B | or a patch that does close / quit all |
| 01:18.17 | Josef_B | almost like a panic patch |
| 01:18.18 | Josef_B | :D |
| 01:18.36 | PatrickC_Pre | you will |
| 01:18.51 | Josef_B | NSFW icon |
| 01:18.52 | Josef_B | D |
| 01:19.07 | PatrickC_Pre | you will :) |
| 01:19.26 | Josef_B | lol |
| 01:19.29 | Josef_B | in 10 years |
| 01:19.43 | PatrickC_Pre | no 9 yrs and 364 days |
| 01:19.48 | Josef_B | k |
| 01:19.56 | Josef_B | s/D/:P |
| 01:19.57 | PatrickC_Pre | waits |
| 01:20.45 | PatrickC_Pre | are you done yet? |
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| 01:24.42 | wgreenhouse | thanks freeTether for saving my bacon when the coffee shop where I am doing my homework is DDOSed by a bunch of hipsters on their macbooks :) |
| 01:25.46 | PatrickC_Pre | freetether rulz! |
| 01:26.03 | PatrickC_Pre | how's that writeup comming will? |
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| 01:26.28 | wgreenhouse | eh--last week/this week have been suck, haven't done anything with it |
| 01:26.34 | dtzWill | oh great, you weren't talking to me O:). |
| 01:27.40 | PatrickC_Pre | dtzwill, what lol |
| 01:28.22 | dtzWill | PatrickC_Pre: as my nick might suggest i'm also 'will' :) |
| 01:28.53 | PatrickC_Pre | oh lol |
| 01:29.00 | wgreenhouse | PatrickC_Pre: I should be able tpo look at it once I'm done preparing for tomorrow's stupid group project |
| 01:29.01 | PatrickC_Pre | :) didn't think of that lol |
| 01:30.15 | Josef_B | looking for a patch that adds an event from the launcher / universal search |
| 01:30.30 | Josef_B | im currently looking thru patches.webos-internals.org .. don't have time to do it on the phone |
| 01:34.44 | Josef_B | ubercalendar ? |
| 01:35.20 | Loudergood | that's very nice to have |
| 01:35.31 | Josef_B | Loudergood but does it do what i want it to do |
| 01:35.34 | Loudergood | but I don't see a patch that does what you want on my pre plus |
| 01:35.41 | Josef_B | k |
| 01:36.32 | Josef_B | i should install ubercalendar anyway eh ? |
| 01:37.09 | Loudergood | it gives you a lot more options |
| 01:37.22 | Josef_B | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:37.27 | Josef_B | im gonna start using my calendars more |
| 01:37.32 | Josef_B | i can't sync my work calendar |
| 01:37.53 | Josef_B | but i use me.com calendars witch i sycned to my outlook witch i used data assitannt to transfer to my pre |
| 01:38.20 | Loudergood | I use google calendar, synced to my pre and to thunderbird/lightning |
| 01:38.50 | Josef_B | ok |
| 01:38.55 | Josef_B | i got a ipk error when downloading |
| 01:39.03 | Josef_B | i hit the envelope and it wants me to send |
| 01:39.05 | Josef_B | do i send it to the dev |
| 01:39.10 | Josef_B | or to webosinternals |
| 01:39.29 | PatrickC_Pre | the dev |
| 01:39.54 | Josef_B | metaview is the dev |
| 01:40.33 | PatrickC_Pre | then email metaview |
| 01:40.37 | Josef_B | i did |
| 01:40.55 | PatrickC_Pre | just had to powerbutton-hold power down PC |
| 01:40.59 | PatrickC_Pre | not good :/ |
| 01:41.48 | PatrickC_Pre | it was suppost to install updates too.... |
| 01:42.37 | wgreenhouse | PatrickC_Pre: win 7? |
| 01:42.49 | PatrickC_Pre | XP :/ |
| 01:43.04 | Josef_B | PatrickC_Pre you should get that webOS pc |
| 01:43.37 | PatrickC_Pre | I have one |
| 01:43.41 | PatrickC_Pre | it wont boot :p |
| 01:43.42 | Josef_B | aw sweet :P |
| 01:44.23 | Josef_B | wow |
| 01:44.27 | Josef_B | im getting back to back calls |
| 01:44.39 | PatrickC_Pre | back calls? |
| 01:44.59 | Josef_B | i just saved the case and hung up and boom 18 seconds in another call |
| 01:45.37 | Josef_B | wow |
| 01:45.37 | PatrickC_Pre | oh lol. now I see what you said :p |
| 01:45.39 | Josef_B | 12 seconds |
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| 02:38.15 | Thibaud | bye everyone |
| 02:39.09 | oil | later Thibaud |
| 02:44.10 | etx- | So the developer device Pre 2 from HP will only with on Sprint with a com board swap, correct? |
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| 03:04.32 | joebpre | rwhitby: I know you need a verizon phone /serial .. if I go to the verizon store and see one if those demo ones will that work or is there more to it ? |
| 03:05.11 | Loudergood | that should be enough |
| 03:05.23 | rwhitby | joebpre: that will do - we just need the serial number, which you can get from the Device Info app |
| 03:05.58 | etx- | Under cover operation dr stealer |
| 03:06.10 | rwhitby | etx-: the developer devices are unlocked GSM |
| 03:06.25 | etx- | rwhitby: yeah, that's what I thought |
| 03:06.51 | etx- | I was confused as it says UMTS and I thought that had something to do with CDMA |
| 03:07.01 | etx- | but I'm probably 100% wrong :) |
| 03:07.17 | rwhitby | UMTS is 3G GSM |
| 03:07.23 | etx- | Ahhh ok |
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| 03:08.52 | etx` | So, how is this for an idea |
| 03:09.15 | etx` | TouchPad, the first tablet that you can use to write apps :) |
| 03:10.02 | rwhitby | Brilliant marketing strategy. That's sure to outsell the iPad in the target demographics ... ;) |
| 03:10.10 | etx` | I'm going to write an extension to Cloud9IDE for writing webos apps |
| 03:10.14 | joebpre | don't know when I can pop over to verizon and act like I wann buy the phone ... I will be like I'm taking a picture to show to the wife |
| 03:10.17 | etx` | heh yeah right |
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| 03:10.49 | rwhitby | "can I just write down this model number so I can do some further research on the internet?" |
| 03:11.41 | Loudergood | a buddy of mine in HS used to go into gamestop and ask the clerk to borrow a pen and paper and write down cd keys.... |
| 03:11.44 | etx` | Sales reps are dumb, you'll have no problems |
| 03:11.53 | etx` | LOL, awesome |
| 03:12.16 | wgreenhouse | dumb and/or unmotivated |
| 03:12.53 | Loudergood | yeah, apathy is a powerful force |
| 03:13.12 | Loudergood | especially when you get paid crap |
| 03:13.16 | wgreenhouse | computer stores are typically full of intelligent but somehow defective individuals who don't want to be there |
| 03:13.27 | wgreenhouse | phone stores similar but possibly nada on the intelligence scale |
| 03:13.42 | Loudergood | the difference is the hair gel |
| 03:16.24 | wgreenhouse | I hope the TouchPad comes out at a reasonable price point, and that it comes out soon enough that it's not obsolete at birth |
| 03:16.34 | bpadalino | 1 MILLION dollars |
| 03:16.38 | wgreenhouse | if those conditions are met, I can see loving one |
| 03:16.46 | wgreenhouse | and running a lot of Linux apps on it |
| 03:16.52 | wgreenhouse | I've wanted Emacs on a tablet for like a decade |
| 03:17.05 | etx- | x11 on it is going to be mega-awesome |
| 03:17.12 | bpadalino | is there an SDL port of emacs somewhere? |
| 03:17.27 | etx- | I used to run xwindows on a pentium 75mhz, TouchPad can handle it :) |
| 03:17.33 | wgreenhouse | bpadalino: not that I've heard of |
| 03:17.44 | etx- | bpadalino: just use a xserver |
| 03:18.13 | wgreenhouse | etx-: yeah, I was just thinking of using it using the headless X server+localhost VNC method |
| 03:18.22 | wgreenhouse | as tested on webos 1.4.5 for things like openoffice |
| 03:18.29 | wgreenhouse | if that runs, emacs will too, with less hassle |
| 03:18.58 | etx- | Was the sdl x server never updated? |
| 03:19.11 | etx- | I remember it stopped working after one of the OTA updates |
| 03:19.37 | wgreenhouse | no idea |
| 03:19.41 | etx- | I'll check |
| 03:20.09 | wgreenhouse | SDL is old skool. A DirectFB X setup would make more sense for webOS |
| 03:20.34 | wgreenhouse | it would be full screen, like a video game, but that's ok |
| 03:20.41 | etx- | yeah, but will it play nice with luna? |
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| 03:21.20 | wgreenhouse | probably |
| 03:21.38 | wgreenhouse | I am kind of a webos n00b though |
| 03:22.15 | etx- | I don't think it would work as well as SDL, just because palm added sdl support |
| 03:22.38 | etx- | you'd have to shut down luna most likely, then run dfb stuff |
| 03:22.39 | wgreenhouse | what libraries are typically used for full-screen games like ExZeus? |
| 03:22.49 | wgreenhouse | SDL? |
| 03:22.57 | etx- | I'm not familiar with ExZues |
| 03:23.29 | wgreenhouse | it's a twitchy giant robot shooter for webos |
| 03:23.30 | etx- | bpadalino: Yeah, Looks like dtzWill never got around to updating his X packages. It's not working for me |
| 03:23.39 | bpadalino | whoops |
| 03:23.40 | etx- | wgreenhouse: does it run in a card? |
| 03:23.42 | bpadalino | what a jerk that guy is! |
| 03:23.50 | etx- | loool |
| 03:24.10 | etx- | maybe I'll take that one over when I find some time. Love me some X |
| 03:24.17 | wgreenhouse | etx-: yes, it runs in a card |
| 03:24.26 | etx- | it's probably sdl then :) |
| 03:24.32 | rwhitby | the X stuff works if you get a pardon from the jail |
| 03:24.36 | wgreenhouse | but runs only in landscape mode and hides the usual Luna UI stuff |
| 03:24.50 | wgreenhouse | until you leave the card |
| 03:24.55 | wgreenhouse | ok |
| 03:25.12 | etx- | rwhitby: oh yeeeahhh, that was the update that broke it. hrrmm |
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| 03:25.50 | etx- | ok, I'm off to teach my dog matrix multiplication |
| 03:26.27 | rwhitby | echo "pardon" > /etc/nojail |
| 03:26.32 | rwhitby | that will make them work again |
| 03:26.40 | nyuepik | Hey |
| 03:27.24 | rwhitby | nyuepik: hey |
| 03:27.57 | nyuepik | recompiling with a hello-world plugin now |
| 03:30.54 | nyuepik | The hello-app won't work either, jail is killing it |
| 03:33.09 | dtzWill | etx-: bug me before/if you are interested in updating the x stuff. |
| 03:33.25 | dtzWill | etx-: last i checked still builds all happily in the WIDK, mostly it's just the silly packaging and duplication of libraries |
| 03:33.36 | dtzWill | mostly never got done b/c the concept made me sad, heh |
| 03:34.03 | dtzWill | (if you want a separate package for xterm, you'll ahve to duplicate at least the xlibs all over again, etc) |
| 03:36.08 | rwhitby | nyuepik: can you get a pastebin of /var/log/messages ? |
| 03:37.08 | nyuepik | Yeah, or I can pipe it after a run, which you would prefer? |
| 03:37.15 | nyuepik | during a run I mean |
| 03:39.12 | rwhitby | just want to see the jail error |
| 03:39.17 | rwhitby | webos.pastebin.com |
| 03:41.27 | nyuepik | yeah, I am a unix command line guy, sending you the log |
| 03:42.04 | nyuepik | Ok, sorry didn't understand, pasting now |
| 03:42.26 | nyuepik | just pasted |
| 03:48.33 | rwhitby | nyuepik: was that service or plugin? |
| 03:49.03 | rwhitby | nyuepik: line 165 is the problem |
| 03:49.22 | rwhitby | which causes the error on line 249 |
| 03:49.48 | rwhitby | which then causes the error on line 502 |
| 03:49.54 | nyuepik | That was the plugin |
| 03:50.01 | nyuepik | I think |
| 03:50.04 | rwhitby | that loaded service and plugin |
| 03:50.21 | nyuepik | The node.js ran fine, the plugin crashed |
| 03:50.46 | rwhitby | service at line 48, plugin at line 167 |
| 03:50.59 | rwhitby | that's the same error I saw |
| 03:51.26 | nyuepik | So where should I try placing the plugin binary? |
| 03:52.52 | rwhitby | in /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/services/com.epikmayo.myplayer |
| 03:53.05 | rwhitby | just do that on-device to test |
| 03:54.10 | nyuepik | no directory for com.epikmayo.myplayer only com.epikmayo.myplayer.service, should I create one? |
| 03:54.16 | rwhitby | yep |
| 03:55.57 | rwhitby | nyuepik: actually, I just tried that, and it just causes an error later when trying to enter the jail |
| 03:56.06 | nyuepik | yeah |
| 03:56.09 | rwhitby | so it's a webOS bug |
| 03:56.24 | rwhitby | MOUNT:/media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/services/com.epikmayo.myplayer on /var/palm/jail/com.epikmayo.myplayer/media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/services/com.epikmayo.myplayer |
| 03:56.32 | rwhitby | chdir /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications/com.epikmayo.myplayer |
| 03:56.38 | rwhitby | error: No such file or directory, directory: /var/palm/jail/com.epikmayo.myplayer/media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications/com.epikmayo.myplayer |
| 03:57.05 | rwhitby | it mounts .../services/... into the jail, but then tries to chdir to .../applications/... |
| 03:59.11 | nyuepik | So assuming that we won't be getting a fix from palm on this for a while, what are the options. I would build the gui, but SDL is just such a pain to do gui work in, and I don't feel like wrestling with getting something like Qt installed just for this |
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| 04:02.53 | DaDirtyPanda | it says my browser is no longer supported for youtube, anyone else have this? |
| 04:03.33 | SineOt | "Get a better browser." -Steve, sent from my iPad |
| 04:04.56 | DaDirtyPanda | its from my pre.... |
| 04:05.05 | nyuepik | Anyway, need to get to bed. Hopefully I will get a response soon on the developer forums, but email me if you get any new ideas for me to try. |
| 04:05.45 | SineOt | Why are you browsing the site, and not using the app? |
| 04:05.50 | rwhitby | nyuepik: I think the option is to move the file management into the plugin |
| 04:06.22 | DaDirtyPanda | i was adding a subcription which you can't do from the lame ass app |
| 04:07.05 | DaDirtyPanda | then it didn't work so i had to walk to my computer!!! grrrr |
| 04:11.00 | nyuepik | rwhitby: I will work on that, all the methods are in place, just need to write the plugin interface code. |
| 04:11.03 | nyuepik | Night |
| 04:11.14 | rwhitby | bye |
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| 04:12.16 | iHackYou | :) |
| 04:14.50 | iHackYou | got into the early access program |
| 04:14.52 | iHackYou | anyone else? |
| 04:15.05 | bpadalino | congrats |
| 04:15.11 | bpadalino | did you read the NDA? |
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| 04:17.55 | iHackYou | yup |
| 04:18.09 | iHackYou | i responded to the email but haven't gotten forum access yet :( |
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| 04:18.24 | PatrickC_Pre | hay |
| 04:18.30 | andrewfblack | is there a problem with navit on att pre running 1.4.5 |
| 04:23.38 | rwhitby | iHackYou: I think you missed the section in the NDA that talks about whether you can discuss your participation in the early access program ... |
| 04:24.09 | iHackYou | will re-read it |
| 04:24.40 | andrewfblack | can't get it to load were can I find help on navit |
| 04:25.47 | iHackYou | Oh right, I can't discuss about it |
| 04:25.50 | iHackYou | shuts up |
| 04:26.12 | PatrickC_Pre | iHackYou, have you hacked me yet? lol |
| 04:26.24 | iHackYou | Of course ;) |
| 04:27.04 | PatrickC_Pre | awesome! what OS am I running? lol |
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| 04:27.39 | webos-tard | 666 |
| 04:27.49 | PatrickC_Pre | 777 |
| 04:28.12 | webos-tard | is 777 a jesus numbver idk |
| 04:28.23 | PatrickC_Pre | http://www.webosroundup.com/2011/02/we-currently-have-no-future-hp-webos-equipment-scheduled-to-be-released-on-the-sprint-network-at-this-time-sigh/ |
| 04:28.50 | SineOt | 777 is full read write execute privileges on a folder :Q |
| 04:30.06 | PatrickC_Pre | no more webOS on sprint :'( |
| 04:30.39 | PatrickC_Pre | only the green robot (darn robots!) |
| 04:34.57 | PatrickC_Pre | well, good night |
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| 04:35.40 | andrewfblack | can't get on screen keyboard to work either |
| 04:45.19 | oc80z | rwhitby re; opkg |
| 04:46.47 | oc80z | er, ipkg-opt |
| 04:49.34 | oc80z | what is "cs08q1armel" |
| 04:51.04 | oc80z | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Optware-cross-compilation |
| 04:51.30 | oc80z | could point to http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Optware/AddAPackageToOptware |
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| 05:35.43 | ajay | dtzWill: hey you around? |
| 05:36.27 | ajay | oh, howdy again folks.. (I think 're' is the appropriate greeting? trying to remember my irc-quette.. :) |
| 05:37.04 | rwhitby | oc80z: cs08q1armel is a specific toolchain build, which was compatible with the webOS rootfs |
| 05:38.17 | ajay | do folks have a favorite IDE? (and actually is there a page where's someone's done a breakdown?) |
| 05:38.27 | ajay | looking for something that works well with mojo, and ideally cross-platform |
| 05:38.48 | rwhitby | emacs |
| 05:39.57 | oc80z | codeblocks |
| 05:39.58 | oc80z | geany |
| 05:40.01 | oc80z | vim |
| 05:40.15 | RagingMind | not that I've done much programming in a long time, but when I do have to edit things it's either in vim or anjuta |
| 05:41.13 | wgreenhouse | rwhitby: emacs++ |
| 05:41.15 | oc80z | emacs is the sparticus of rome while IDE's are not. |
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| 05:41.30 | wgreenhouse | hrm? |
| 05:41.36 | wgreenhouse | emacs is spartacus? |
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| 05:41.53 | oc80z | yes |
| 05:41.59 | wgreenhouse | explain |
| 05:42.00 | oc80z | <emacs> THIS IS SPARTA! |
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| 05:42.09 | oc80z | explain? |
| 05:42.09 | wgreenhouse | oc80z: oh |
| 05:42.13 | wgreenhouse | that's not Spartacus :) |
| 05:42.27 | wgreenhouse | you mean Leonidas. oddly enough, Spartacus wasn't Spartan. |
| 05:42.33 | oc80z | Neal Stevenson writes his novels in emacs. |
| 05:42.41 | oc80z | i know |
| 05:42.44 | oc80z | a theasian |
| 05:42.52 | wgreenhouse | oc80z: I'm with him. I use Emacs mostly for writing words. |
| 05:42.58 | ajay | so i'll take it that i'll get no recs in this channel, at least at this time of day :) |
| 05:43.03 | oc80z | but he still was a god. |
| 05:43.26 | oc80z | ajay: codeblocks, geany |
| 05:43.29 | SineOt | ajay: I like Espresso, but it's OSX only :p |
| 05:43.42 | oc80z | ajay what host will you use the IDE in? |
| 05:43.53 | oc80z | i mean, theres a bunch of stuff FOR free. |
| 05:43.55 | oc80z | pre* |
| 05:44.22 | ajay | oz: linux |
| 05:44.31 | ajay | err, oc: linux :) |
| 05:45.20 | oc80z | then use my examples. |
| 05:45.56 | ajay | Like there's so many envs.. rhomobile, phonegap, apparat.io |
| 05:46.08 | oc80z | Anjuta? |
| 05:46.11 | ashi_ | vi <3 |
| 05:46.21 | rwhitby | yes, vi is less than 3 |
| 05:46.28 | ashi_ | :) |
| 05:46.29 | ashi_ | hi |
| 05:46.53 | oc80z | im usually in userspace |
| 05:47.09 | wgreenhouse | rwhitby: do you write phone apps in Emacs js-mode? |
| 05:47.10 | oc80z | but at kernel i use vim |
| 05:47.35 | rwhitby | wgreenhouse: I cut and paste oil's code - I don't write apps myself :) |
| 05:47.46 | wgreenhouse | rwhitby: k |
| 05:47.54 | oc80z | im patching dnsmasq.h, option.h and more. |
| 05:48.07 | rwhitby | wgreenhouse: http://code.google.com/p/js2-mode/ |
| 05:48.14 | ajay | oc80z: ok will look them up.. |
| 05:48.15 | oc80z | trying to break the soa protocols on ttl. |
| 05:48.22 | wgreenhouse | rwhitby: ah yeah, I hear great things about js2-mode |
| 05:48.30 | wgreenhouse | a lot of the people over at #emacs on this server like it |
| 05:49.08 | ajay | does 'pinging' someone on twitter mean following them? if I can't dm them then i know what not else to do.. oh, maybe just msging them? |
| 05:49.18 | ajay | err, @'ing, not msg'ing. |
| 05:52.32 | ajay | ocz: can i get a quick soundbite on why you like/chose those tools? |
| 05:53.13 | Zinge | ajay: I'd assume it means dm or @, but I've never heard the term used for twitter before. |
| 05:53.17 | oc80z | i use vim |
| 05:53.31 | oc80z | i will use geany if in userspace |
| 05:53.40 | oc80z | (scripts and configs) |
| 05:53.57 | oc80z | because it has collapsable statements |
| 05:54.02 | ajay | Zinge: they said they'd follow me if I pinged them, and i can't seem to dm, so yeah, not sure which it means (this is for apparatio) |
| 05:54.21 | oc80z | i will be programming c next quarter |
| 05:54.25 | ajay | geany doesn't offer a binary, gah.. ;^) |
| 05:54.31 | oc80z | a binary? |
| 05:54.39 | Zinge | Probably @ then. |
| 05:54.56 | ajay | Zinge: yeah that's what i did.. hope they don't expect me to follow them.. ;^) |
| 05:54.58 | oc80z | i thought it could compile and execute or load browser for .php |
| 05:58.46 | ajay | it'd be nice if i could grab an open source android project and with relative ease port it over to webOS, whatever tool'd do that be the perfect tool for me |
| 05:58.47 | Zinge | random: is the wirc notification vibrate coded in the app, or just because my phone is on silent at the moment? |
| 05:59.33 | wgreenhouse | Zinge: the latter |
| 05:59.42 | wgreenhouse | it dings if your phone isn't on silent |
| 05:59.59 | wgreenhouse | also, you change notification settings from the preferences scene |
| 06:00.31 | Zinge | darn. ok, thanks. it's buzzing a little longer than I'd like, I figured if it was in the app I could shorten it a bit in terminal :-) |
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| 06:01.26 | wgreenhouse | well, don't let what I'm saying deter you from peeking at the source code |
| 06:03.31 | Zinge | I'm debating tradeoffs of battery life vs. multitasking. as in "do I bother doing a bunch of stuff on my phone at once and killing my battery when I'm stuck at work and it has to last for another hour before I an go harge it?" :-) |
| 06:03.57 | Zinge | can go charge it* |
| 06:04.34 | SineOt | and for that... Is where portable battery packs come in handy |
| 06:05.37 | wgreenhouse | Zinge: is your phone overclocked? |
| 06:05.56 | ajay | was wondering specifically on webOS |
| 06:06.16 | Zinge | 800 right now. I just happened to leave my charge at home. Usually I have one here. |
| 06:06.29 | wgreenhouse | Zinge: I use 600 generally |
| 06:06.39 | Zinge | ajay, I think you typed that in the wrong window :-) |
| 06:06.42 | wgreenhouse | then I can use a lot of tasks without totally nuking the battery |
| 06:07.48 | SineOt | has a pretty thin Energizer pack... Holds like 2000mAh or something. |
| 06:07.53 | Zinge | if I run lower than 800, it starts to get unusable much of the time. normally I'm ok with battery though. and I leave chargers lying around everywhere. |
| 06:07.57 | ajay | is surprised he doesn't wrong window more.. ;^) |
| 06:08.16 | SineOt | We've got a bigger pack, probably the size of a Pre + Pixi stacked, but it's 8000mAh and can run a netbook for 6 hours :p |
| 06:08.29 | wgreenhouse | Zinge: hmm. fixed speed 600 works really well for me on my pre+ |
| 06:08.41 | wgreenhouse | even with wIRC connected to 3 servers while listening to a podcast |
| 06:09.26 | Zinge | I'm on a pre-... |
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| 06:09.45 | Zinge | not that it should really matter for speed |
| 06:09.52 | rwhitby | it absolutely does |
| 06:09.56 | wgreenhouse | hmm, perhaps it's a RAM or I/O issue? |
| 06:10.08 | Zinge | I sit corrected. |
| 06:10.51 | rwhitby | mainly cause swap is so slow on a Pre, that not having enough RAM will kill your performance |
| 06:11.20 | SineOt | you could help that with compcache enabled, no? |
| 06:12.15 | wgreenhouse | is using the uberkernel with compache |
| 06:12.16 | SineOt | runs his Pixi with 24MB compcache enabled, hasn't seen a TMC error in like... Doesn't remember the last time, even. |
| 06:12.39 | wgreenhouse | similar settings here, SineOt |
| 06:12.45 | wgreenhouse | I have seen the TMC error a bit recently |
| 06:12.52 | wgreenhouse | after days of using freeTether |
| 06:13.28 | SineOt | I'm bummed about the Veer being GSM only + nothing coming to Sprint |
| 06:13.29 | wgreenhouse | now I'm running jstop with automatic garbage collection to see if that can totally eliminate the problem |
| 06:13.29 | Zinge | I don't have TMC errors, but my phone sometimes decides it's done listening to me and freezes up for a bit :-) |
| 06:13.41 | SineOt | came to Sprint for webOS, now I guess I'll leave Sprint for webOS :p |
| 06:13.44 | ajay | is convinced Palm needs to do a 1.4.6 or 1.5 for Pre-'s AT THE LEAST. ASAP. |
| 06:14.19 | Zinge | SineOt: I thought carriers for Pre3 at least were still up in the air? |
| 06:14.51 | SineOt | Zinge: Sprint's like, "CEO Support Team" has said that they have no plans for future webOS devices |
| 06:15.04 | SineOt | and given the Pre3 is out in ~6 months, no plans right now means it probably won't happen |
| 06:15.35 | ajay | I do wonder why they specifically said what radios the Veer+Pre3 have in them... curious.. and why veer would be gsm-only.. weird.. |
| 06:16.09 | Zinge | It seems silly, but maybe it was a size issue? |
| 06:16.23 | SineOt | doubt that |
| 06:16.53 | wgreenhouse | hopes the TouchPad picks a sweet price point |
| 06:16.54 | Zinge | I know that it shouldn't matter, but maybe when they were sourcing parts the CDMA chip that they were able to get was a bit bigger? |
| 06:16.57 | rwhitby | bbl |
| 06:17.01 | Zinge | probably not, but just a thought |
| 06:17.03 | SineOt | I think, and this is conjecture: the Veer is GSM only because it's the last device Palm, and PALM Palm not HP Palm, finished, and the decision for GSM only was made to cut costs |
| 06:17.33 | SineOt | GSM means one antenna design and it works pretty much anywhere in the world, CDMA means another antenna design and you can really only use it in like, 4 countries |
| 06:17.38 | ajay | SineOt: They're both the last device, afaic |
| 06:18.09 | SineOt | the FCC filing for the Veer doesn't mention HP anywhere in it, so I think it's been "ready" for a while |
| 06:18.22 | ajay | antenna design is not difficult/expensive, especially with the way webOS hardware to-date has been designed |
| 06:18.43 | wgreenhouse | with modular, separate communications boards, you mean? |
| 06:19.00 | SineOt | no, but doing one board instead of two, regardless of the ease, would still be an added cost |
| 06:20.19 | ajay | SineOt: I'm sure sales easily replace that cost, especially since there's no pixi-form factor on 2 us carriers now (2 out of the big 3) |
| 06:20.52 | wgreenhouse | I wonder about that. |
| 06:20.53 | ajay | I think att is still the biggest carrier, but i have to imagine its days as such are numbered |
| 06:21.15 | Zinge | Well, I'm still hoping that around June-ish when I go to get a new phone, Sprint has decided to carry something new and webos-y. If not, I guess I'll get something else. |
| 06:21.30 | SineOt | Sprint still carries the Pixi I think, as does ATT |
| 06:21.31 | wgreenhouse | ajay: it seems as though smartphone customers lately find even the Pre's form factor too small |
| 06:21.45 | wgreenhouse | they've gotten used to gigantic rectangles that run Android and don't fit in pockets |
| 06:22.02 | SineOt | Yeah, Sprint still carries the Pixi, and ATT still carries the Pixi+ |
| 06:22.03 | ajay | wgreenhouse: it is for me, no doubt.. but some folks love'em pixis! |
| 06:22.18 | SineOt | I love my Pixi! And I have a huge boner for the Veer |
| 06:22.22 | ajay | i don't have my pixi in my pocket, i don't want to scratch it like rob did |
| 06:22.31 | ajay | err, my pre, but whatever :) |
| 06:22.49 | ajay | wgreenhouse: See, otters will buy it |
| 06:23.06 | wgreenhouse | gah--speaking of which, my little microfiber carry case just went missing again |
| 06:23.07 | wgreenhouse | hmph. |
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| 06:23.19 | ajay | microfiber carry case? sounds hot! |
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| 06:24.33 | SineOt | otters have small pockets therefore small phones |
| 06:24.47 | ajay | LOVES autocompletion in ubuntu.. tar zxvf won't complete a filename ending in .bz2? why, of course not! SO SMART! |
| 06:25.00 | SineOt | but at least they aren't sea otters where a fatty flap of skin in the armpit serves as a pocket for clams :U |
| 06:25.04 | ajay | didn't know otters had pockets |
| 06:25.10 | ajay | oh |
| 06:25.20 | oil | lol |
| 06:25.32 | SineOt | Yeah sea otters will stuff things in their armpits to save for later |
| 06:25.33 | wgreenhouse | ajay: it came with my ATT Pre+ |
| 06:25.42 | Zinge | I probably have a couple still sitting in a drawer from my month-long exchange debacle trying to get a replacement phone that wasn't falling apart. Ended up wit a decent number of spare accessories though. |
| 06:25.48 | wgreenhouse | li'l gray and orange sleeve with the palm logo on the front |
| 06:25.54 | ajay | wgreenhouse: yum.. now if only palm gave devs microfiber cases, THAT'd change the equation! ;^) |
| 06:25.57 | joebpre | woot got ubercalendar working :-) metaview dev fixed it ... I had to remove all current patches |
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| 06:26.12 | wgreenhouse | yeah, I thought it was a thoughtful touch |
| 06:26.28 | joebpre | I'm on att pre + |
| 06:26.29 | wgreenhouse | I didn't have to drop $40 on some phone case on my way out of the store |
| 06:26.30 | SineOt | the Pre came with a lot of stuff. Sleeve case, headphones... |
| 06:26.35 | ajay | wgreenhouse: is that OEM?? what.. damn |
| 06:26.37 | joebpre | I got mirco sleeve |
| 06:26.37 | SineOt | Pixi came with a charger and a cable. |
| 06:26.43 | ajay | oh wait, THAT sleeve |
| 06:26.47 | ajay | i thought you said case.. |
| 06:26.47 | ajay | haha |
| 06:26.48 | ajay | ignore me |
| 06:26.50 | wgreenhouse | ajay: yeah, my phone came with an OEM sleeve and OEM earbuds |
| 06:27.05 | wgreenhouse | ah, sorry my choice of vocabulary confused the issue |
| 06:27.15 | ajay | wgreenhouse: no your right i've called that a case before.. :) |
| 06:27.36 | Zinge | sleeve, earbuds, charger, able, battery. I have about 6 of each. I give'em away as part favors. |
| 06:27.44 | wgreenhouse | heh |
| 06:27.47 | ajay | you're even.. i've just been dreaming about a case, and thinking about how i just bought 2 of those Vz touchstone deals, now I need to figure out what to do with the holster case.. |
| 06:27.50 | ajay | use it or sell it.. |
| 06:27.52 | Zinge | s/able/cable |
| 06:27.57 | joebpre | what are we talking about tonight ? |
| 06:28.04 | ajay | Zinge: i want to come to your party! :) |
| 06:28.23 | ajay | joebpre: good cross-compiling dev environments.. :) |
| 06:28.33 | joebpre | wierd |
| 06:28.45 | Zinge | starts planning party for ajay |
| 06:28.54 | ajay | oo! |
| 06:29.26 | Zinge | cross compiling meaning you can cross compile what you write, or that you can run the dev environment on different systems? |
| 06:29.47 | ajay | maybe a sweet 16 or Quinceanera or debutante ball! |
| 06:31.16 | ajay | Zinge: cross-compile/package what you write.. |
| 06:31.38 | Zinge | Got it. |
| 06:31.41 | ajay | is compiling geany now.. hope FF doesn't get mad it doesn't get to go to 100% CPU |
| 06:37.18 | oc80z | freaking NS_INT32SZ |
| 06:37.42 | ajay | yea yea |
| 06:38.10 | ajay | wonders why you should have to login to use ares.. |
| 06:39.57 | oil | because they store your stuff |
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| 06:41.38 | ajay | yea, seems like they'd let you play, but i guess that makes sense.. |
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| 06:53.26 | ajay | hm, ares is not super easy-to-use.. i hope the enyo upgrade gets some use fixes.. |
| 06:54.42 | wgreenhouse | I hope there are some serious improvements (or alternate, 3rd-party viewers) for PDF Viewer in webos 2.0 |
| 06:54.53 | wgreenhouse | one of the things I'd consider buying a TouchPad for is reading papers |
| 06:55.02 | wgreenhouse | at the moment the iPad rocks at that |
| 06:55.08 | wgreenhouse | but I have no desire to use iOS |
| 06:55.34 | wgreenhouse | PDF viewer in webos 1.x is an incredible disappointment |
| 06:56.05 | drzero | wgreenhouse, with a side view patch it's OK |
| 06:56.12 | wgreenhouse | drzero: no, it's not. |
| 06:56.19 | wgreenhouse | it doesn't even have copy and paste |
| 06:56.25 | wgreenhouse | there are iOS pdf programs with annotation |
| 06:56.28 | ajay | you can't read paper with a touchpad! sheesh.. ;^) |
| 06:56.42 | Zinge | It seems to error out on a lot of random pdf's that work fine on desktops as well... |
| 06:56.48 | wgreenhouse | Zinge: yeah |
| 06:56.58 | wgreenhouse | it's as bad as Linux pdf viewers were about 10 years ago |
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| 06:57.05 | wgreenhouse | really appalling |
| 06:57.42 | wgreenhouse | the landscape view patch just makes it legible at all, not any good |
| 07:01.03 | ajay | dtzWill: it's .. oh, haha that was my next q.. :) |
| 07:01.32 | Zinge | Well, work is over. Time to go home and be productive. Goodnight all. |
| 07:01.43 | ajay | OpenGL doesn't exist on the Pixi/+, right? |
| 07:02.15 | dtzWill | ajay: well we WERE talking in PM |
| 07:02.15 | dtzWill | lol |
| 07:02.19 | dtzWill | i mean no particular reason |
| 07:02.21 | dtzWill | guess i can take a hint |
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| 07:03.04 | ajay | dtzWill: well, nobody knew we were talking in PM until you said that! :) i figured i might as well throw that question out there.. ;^) |
| 07:04.14 | dtzWill | yppers |
| 07:04.22 | dtzWill | ajay: i thought it did, lol. |
| 07:04.22 | ajay | woa! hitting the launch button on Ares, um, launched! haha unexpected.. :) |
| 07:04.34 | dtzWill | thought it didn't used to or something |
| 07:04.52 | dtzWill | but then it did and since sdl was broken that was what you were SUPPOSED to use for pdk stuff on the pixi |
| 07:05.01 | dtzWill | actually i'm rather sure of it b/c my emulators i've been porting to pixi and they use GL |
| 07:05.04 | ajay | dtzWill: the pixi does do OpenGL? oh.. |
| 07:05.23 | ajay | dtzWill: Oh yes i think you're right! |
| 07:05.39 | ajay | that's annoying.. |
| 07:08.11 | dtzWill | what's annoying? |
| 07:08.16 | dtzWill | also zomg we should pick pm or here |
| 07:08.18 | dtzWill | the both is bad |
| 07:08.24 | dtzWill | i vote here, this is suitable for channel talk |
| 07:08.35 | dtzWill | kind of thing that's good to share with others |
| 07:08.38 | dtzWill | miss having dev talk here |
| 07:08.39 | dtzWill | :D |
| 07:09.23 | ajay | haha |
| 07:09.25 | ajay | np |
| 07:09.49 | ajay | good thing they destroyed the Pixi (no SDL) vs Pre (SDL) discrepancy then.. |
| 07:10.13 | ajay | dtzWill: I have a (likely unworking) widk install |
| 07:10.40 | dtzWill | redundant. |
| 07:10.40 | dtzWill | lol |
| 07:10.44 | dtzWill | yuk yuk yuk |
| 07:10.56 | ajay | dtzWill: and if I want to build X11 Server on my pre, i just grab xserver off git.woi and it should be good to 'make'? |
| 07:11.10 | dtzWill | ajay: ...on.. your...pre? |
| 07:11.17 | dtzWill | no it has all kinds of deps |
| 07:11.21 | dtzWill | that are all in the wIDK |
| 07:11.21 | ajay | oh |
| 07:11.26 | ajay | yeah ok |
| 07:11.28 | dtzWill | check the WIDK's xserver makefile to see what they are |
| 07:11.33 | ajay | i'll check if my widk is broke or not.. |
| 07:11.57 | ajay | damn i wish i downloaded that dude's Linux P/SDK when he posted it.. now the link's broke and he won't reply to anyone.. d'oh! |
| 07:13.10 | dtzWill | wonders if his copy of the WIDK still works |
| 07:13.33 | ajay | oh somebody told me they've made updates to widk since i last played with it, so maybe i should restart with the directions.. |
| 07:16.10 | ajay | i should be able to just do a 'git checkout' of xserver, right? |
| 07:16.31 | dtzWill | ajay: git clone |
| 07:16.51 | dtzWill | ajay: but like i said it'll expected various deps to be staged |
| 07:16.56 | ajay | staged? |
| 07:16.58 | dtzWill | (headers, etc, for the build) |
| 07:17.06 | dtzWill | and libraries at runtime |
| 07:17.14 | dtzWill | that's just the server itself in that source tree. |
| 07:17.26 | dtzWill | uh |
| 07:17.29 | ajay | dtzWill: but you said all that stuff's in the widk right? |
| 07:17.32 | dtzWill | yes. |
| 07:17.36 | dtzWill | so just grab the widk |
| 07:17.58 | ajay | dtzWill: i already said i had the widk :) |
| 07:19.03 | dtzWill | cd packages/x/xorg-server |
| 07:19.22 | dtzWill | make stage ARCH=armv7 |
| 07:19.31 | dtzWill | although i think the ARCH'll default to armv7, don't remember. |
| 07:19.38 | ajay | no target to make |
| 07:19.50 | dtzWill | o_O |
| 07:19.54 | dtzWill | 'stage' is a target :( |
| 07:20.07 | ajay | oh wait |
| 07:20.47 | ajay | dtzWill: where do i put the git clone then? |
| 07:20.59 | dtzWill | ajay: |
| 07:21.00 | dtzWill | no no |
| 07:21.00 | dtzWill | i mean |
| 07:21.02 | dtzWill | in the WIDK |
| 07:21.04 | dtzWill | just cd as i said |
| 07:21.06 | dtzWill | and run the make command |
| 07:21.12 | dtzWill | and it'll grab all the source and deps and build them all |
| 07:21.30 | ajay | ok it ran a bunch of cmds, but that didn't take long at all |
| 07:22.00 | dtzWill | and if you wanna poke at the source to make changes or w/e, look into build/src in the xorg-server directory. |
| 07:22.17 | dtzWill | ajay: I think there's some disconnect, and i apologize for that. |
| 07:22.27 | dtzWill | ajay: what are you doing, and/or pastebin it so i can see? |
| 07:22.46 | ajay | oh so i didn't have to git clone, haha wasting WOI bandwidth then |
| 07:23.00 | ajay | dtzWill: i did exactly what you said |
| 07:23.08 | dtzWill | ajay: it'll clone it anyway iirc. |
| 07:23.13 | ajay | i just don't think i'm in kansas anymore |
| 07:23.18 | dtzWill | but yeah that was an 'extra' clone, no worries. |
| 07:23.23 | dtzWill | ajay: nah, WIDK is webos-internals voodoo |
| 07:23.51 | ajay | dtzWill: and you were right, armv7 looks like it was default.. (esp from sb2) |
| 07:24.11 | ajay | dtzWill: and then? |
| 07:24.16 | ajay | run configure? |
| 07:24.20 | dtzWill | ajay: nopers |
| 07:24.30 | ajay | loses at final jeopardy |
| 07:24.36 | dtzWill | nah you're just too hands-on ;) |
| 07:24.44 | dtzWill | WIDK should do it for you, until it doesn't in which case we'll have fun. |
| 07:24.50 | ajay | eek! |
| 07:25.00 | dtzWill | so from the xorg-server directory in the WIDK tree |
| 07:25.07 | dtzWill | (/packages/x/xorg-server) |
| 07:25.11 | dtzWill | run the make stage ARCH=armv7 command |
| 07:25.16 | dtzWill | and it should take some time |
| 07:25.19 | dtzWill | to build a bunch of stuff |
| 07:25.31 | dtzWill | downloading things as necessary, etc |
| 07:25.50 | dtzWill | terminating, ultimately, with building xorg-server |
| 07:25.56 | ajay | dtzWill: wait isn't that the same dir and cmd you had me run earlier? |
| 07:26.01 | dtzWill | ajay: it is. |
| 07:26.13 | dtzWill | does it not build things for a long time? |
| 07:26.16 | dtzWill | some error? |
| 07:26.20 | dtzWill | or do you have it built already? :) |
| 07:26.25 | ajay | no |
| 07:26.36 | ajay | if i did, i didn't know, and it wasn't today |
| 07:26.46 | ajay | would it have built when i install widk? |
| 07:27.34 | dtzWill | if by install |
| 07:27.36 | dtzWill | you mean build |
| 07:27.37 | dtzWill | then yes |
| 07:27.44 | ajay | wow, that was fast |
| 07:27.53 | ajay | so fast, i was done before i started |
| 07:27.57 | dtzWill | lol |
| 07:27.58 | dtzWill | well |
| 07:27.59 | dtzWill | fwiw |
| 07:28.02 | dtzWill | unfortunately |
| 07:28.09 | dtzWill | the build part works and whatnot, or was the more-working part |
| 07:28.11 | dtzWill | PACKAGING it |
| 07:28.16 | dtzWill | was a trick |
| 07:28.18 | dtzWill | i just did by myself |
| 07:28.23 | dtzWill | and never properly scripted and whatnot |
| 07:28.23 | dtzWill | :( |
| 07:28.26 | dtzWill | sorry to say. |
| 07:28.31 | ajay | ok.. |
| 07:28.43 | ajay | so all these days i've been trying to collaborate with you, i already had everything i needed. that's just great |
| 07:28.47 | ajay | :) |
| 07:28.48 | dtzWill | and of course i mostly forgot myself >_> |
| 07:28.49 | dtzWill | hahah |
| 07:28.49 | dtzWill | x.x |
| 07:28.55 | dtzWill | i'm sorry, have you been trying to reach me?! |
| 07:28.55 | dtzWill | :( |
| 07:28.59 | ajay | not actively :) |
| 07:29.02 | dtzWill | i didn't mean to ignore you i promise :( |
| 07:29.12 | ajay | it was more "let's figure this out later!" |
| 07:29.17 | dtzWill | ah, kk |
| 07:29.24 | dtzWill | what're you interested in? X at all? |
| 07:29.36 | ajay | did you note down what you did to package it? |
| 07:29.45 | ajay | dtzWill: I'm not interested in anything anymore.. |
| 07:30.03 | dtzWill | ajay: i didn't, because i'm just that awesome. |
| 07:30.05 | dtzWill | uhhhh.... job security. |
| 07:30.25 | ajay | semi-kidding.. i was interested in Maemo stuff (was the original context of our convos) |
| 07:31.08 | dtzWill | ah that's right. |
| 07:31.30 | ajay | i know there's others that have been craving some X11 action, and i've been curious why it wasn't workable in 1.4.5 |
| 07:31.39 | ajay | what's the "pardon jail thing"? |
| 07:31.48 | wgreenhouse | ajay: I thought it was workable, just with some finesse |
| 07:31.59 | ajay | wgreenhouse: woa i don't know what kind of person you think i am |
| 07:32.09 | wgreenhouse | ajay: huh? |
| 07:32.10 | ajay | X11 has to at least buy me a drink |
| 07:32.17 | wgreenhouse | lol |
| 07:32.17 | ajay | first |
| 07:32.31 | dtzWill | ajay: 1.4.5 started jailing apps |
| 07:32.39 | wgreenhouse | ajay: I don't think you know what kind of entity X11 is, then :) |
| 07:32.40 | ajay | dtzWill: right, and that was the problem |
| 07:32.41 | dtzWill | the architecture i had for the packages for X was to have it share libraries and resources |
| 07:32.52 | ajay | wgreenhouse: to X11 I say -- Well I never! |
| 07:32.55 | dtzWill | ajay: so there's some file you can crfeate to turn off jailing |
| 07:33.04 | dtzWill | that just makes it work |
| 07:33.05 | dtzWill | lol |
| 07:33.13 | wgreenhouse | yeah |
| 07:33.13 | ajay | dtzWill: turn off jailling? |
| 07:33.20 | ajay | oo that's hot.. that'll teach X11 a lesson |
| 07:33.23 | wgreenhouse | yeah, it's a one-line file you create, AFAIR |
| 07:33.57 | wgreenhouse | ajay: Maemo is hot. I still like the idea of a debian-like system on mobiles |
| 07:33.59 | ajay | dtzWill: wait if it's a 1-line file why didn't you do it months ago?? /me confused |
| 07:34.01 | wgreenhouse | too bad meego seems to be going nowhere |
| 07:34.06 | ajay | wgreenhouse: yeah |
| 07:34.10 | ajay | wgreenhouse: and yea :( |
| 07:34.12 | rwhitby | echo "pardon" > /etc/nojail |
| 07:34.20 | dtzWill | rwhitby: ty. was just searching logs :) |
| 07:34.47 | ajay | dtzWill: So how did X11 work, like i'd launch the X package first, then xterm/whatnot? |
| 07:34.53 | nirv | so nobody can seem to figure out my sprint palm pre problem |
| 07:34.54 | dtzWill | ajay: and repackaging it to avoid that made me sad and then i forgot how to package it and had some weird library error that didn't let me do what i wanted that i couldn't resolve. |
| 07:35.04 | dtzWill | pretty weak reason to quit, but that's how things go sometimes |
| 07:35.12 | ajay | would each of these apps have to individual pardon jailling? or.. |
| 07:35.21 | nirv | something in the background in the last few days started using the internet connection (EVDO) and it's sucking up all my battery |
| 07:35.30 | ajay | would jailling be disabled for all apps run after that? if so, then that sounds like a bad path |
| 07:35.43 | dtzWill | ajay: globally disables it |
| 07:35.46 | dtzWill | ajay: and yes not the best. |
| 07:35.48 | rwhitby | yes and yes |
| 07:35.56 | ajay | dtzWill: ok then you're right, not the path to go, apologies :) |
| 07:36.01 | dtzWill | ajay: that's why i didn't just add an on-install line to X11 to do that xD |
| 07:36.34 | ajay | dtzWill: So my question about launching an app |
| 07:36.38 | ajay | how does that work? |
| 07:36.46 | dtzWill | hmm? |
| 07:36.48 | dtzWill | like xterm? |
| 07:37.03 | dtzWill | it |
| 07:37.04 | ajay | what's the full process, and what's the relationship to 1.4.5 jailling |
| 07:37.08 | dtzWill | idk if this is the best design >_ |
| 07:37.10 | dtzWill | *>_> |
| 07:37.11 | dtzWill | well |
| 07:37.24 | ajay | like, would putting the X11 package in user-space, instead of jail-space, be enough to solve the situation? |
| 07:37.29 | dtzWill | biggest thing was shared libraries and fonts and all that jazz |
| 07:37.32 | rwhitby | dtzWill: actually, since then I have worked out a way to disable jailing for an individual app |
| 07:37.42 | dtzWill | ajay: well libraries tend to like filesystems that support symlinks |
| 07:37.56 | dtzWill | rwhitby: oh really. |
| 07:38.08 | dtzWill | rwhitby: i should talk to you more often. :D |
| 07:38.13 | ajay | but we're not really talking an 'individual app' are we? |
| 07:38.21 | ajay | heh |
| 07:38.23 | dtzWill | well per-app, which /is/ the point. |
| 07:39.09 | ajay | So i'm still colored a little confused.. few questions.. |
| 07:39.22 | rwhitby | dtzWill: last line of http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application_Signing |
| 07:39.26 | ajay | 1) When you run a jailled app, does the jail include all existing jails? |
| 07:39.31 | rwhitby | no |
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| 07:40.30 | ajay | 2) First, one needs to launches X11, which starts in a card, right? |
| 07:40.59 | rwhitby | no, individual apps can launch it as part of launching themselves. yes it's in a card |
| 07:41.03 | ajay | 3) hitting the xterm launcher icon will drop xterm on the active X11 connection. |
| 07:41.19 | ajay | ok, then 3 isn't accurate either |
| 07:41.22 | rwhitby | no, it will start a server in a card and launch xterm |
| 07:41.35 | ajay | will each app launch its own server then? |
| 07:41.48 | rwhitby | I believe so, but dtzWill would know better |
| 07:41.55 | wgreenhouse | isn't there some rootless X11+VNC option for running X apps, too? |
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| 07:42.31 | ajay | makes angry birds confused noise at X11+VNC |
| 07:43.03 | ajay | dtzWill: so was that yes, an X server for every X app? |
| 07:43.09 | wgreenhouse | ajay: I believe there was some project to run basically a background X service in webos |
| 07:43.24 | wgreenhouse | which one would then connect to via a vnc connection to localhost |
| 07:43.25 | ajay | does one see the X server in the background of the app, or does the app take fullscreen? |
| 07:43.48 | ajay | wgreenhouse: Interesting! |
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| 07:44.26 | ajay | wait.. but then all the launched X apps would be on the same X window, no? |
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| 07:44.43 | rwhitby | try it and see |
| 07:45.02 | wgreenhouse | ajay: I believe that results in the same weirdly-shaped X display, in which one could then mouse around |
| 07:45.44 | wgreenhouse | rwhitby: am I looking for http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:SdlVNC ? |
| 07:46.03 | rwhitby | no, that's something different |
| 07:46.13 | wgreenhouse | hmm. what am I looking for? :) |
| 07:46.22 | wgreenhouse | the example I read about was OpenOffice on a Pre |
| 07:46.43 | rwhitby | wgreenhouse: depends what you are looking for |
| 07:46.44 | ajay | throws up a little in his mouth at mention of OO.org on a pre |
| 07:47.04 | wgreenhouse | rwhitby: I'm looking for a rootless X.org setup for a Pre |
| 07:47.09 | wgreenhouse | which one connects to via localhost VNC |
| 07:47.10 | rwhitby | ajay: more or less than a mention of emacs on a Pre ? |
| 07:47.13 | wgreenhouse | does that exist? |
| 07:47.35 | rwhitby | dunno, I never personally got into the whole X on Pre stuff other than helping dtzWill with packaging his stuff. |
| 07:47.40 | ajay | rwhitby: I have no problems with emacs, it's only eighty-megs and constantly swapping.. oo is way more than that! |
| 07:47.54 | wgreenhouse | ajay: the joke was actually eight megs |
| 07:47.55 | ajay | engadget.com/2010/04/09/webos-port-of-xorg-in-the-works-openoffice-support-the-inevitab/ |
| 07:47.57 | wgreenhouse | back when that was huge |
| 07:48.06 | ajay | oops |
| 07:48.17 | ajay | makes more sense too :) |
| 07:48.22 | wgreenhouse | ajay: and really, Emacs doesn't thrash systems anymore. it looks modest in requirements compared to modern IDEs |
| 07:48.26 | ajay | wgreenhouse: why rootless? why VNC? |
| 07:48.37 | ajay | wgreenhouse: i know i know :) |
| 07:48.47 | rwhitby | emacs is way smaller than eclipse, so I don't think that joke holds any more ... |
| 07:48.49 | wgreenhouse | ajay: because a VNC client for webos already existed |
| 07:48.51 | dtzWill | rwhitby: ty for the link |
| 07:48.55 | dtzWill | is back, reading backlog 1 sec |
| 07:49.24 | dtzWill | i don't remember what version got published. |
| 07:49.36 | dtzWill | i'm inclined to say the version in preware, etc, would try to share x servesr |
| 07:49.53 | ajay | hmm.. |
| 07:50.22 | dtzWill | wgreenhouse: i think there was some xvfb stuff yes. |
| 07:50.28 | ajay | both ways seem possible.. seems like it could depend on how the app was launched |
| 07:50.34 | ajay | is there a WOI wiki for x? |
| 07:50.38 | wgreenhouse | dtzWill: any iodea where to find info on it? |
| 07:50.50 | wgreenhouse | idea |
| 07:51.31 | ajay | i can't find anything.. seems like collecting some of this discussion into a wiki page'd be good |
| 07:51.43 | dtzWill | ajay: the link you sent was about our xorg-server work |
| 07:51.46 | ajay | objections? if not, page name suggestion? |
| 07:51.48 | dtzWill | not the rootless stuff. |
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| 07:51.55 | dtzWill | i wasn't art of that, not sure i that i remember the details of the xvfb stuff |
| 07:52.01 | ajay | dtzWill: it was about OO, yeah :) |
| 07:52.07 | dtzWill | think it was debianchroot+xvfb+vnc client |
| 07:52.13 | wgreenhouse | dtzWill: yeah |
| 07:52.19 | wgreenhouse | some of the vnc pages allude to that vaguely |
| 07:53.08 | ajay | xvfb? interesting.. |
| 07:54.09 | dtzWill | i might have made that up. |
| 07:54.15 | dtzWill | thought it was some x-to-framebuffer implementation. |
| 07:54.54 | ajay | so there are multiple paths to work on |
| 07:55.02 | ajay | possiblities/opportunities |
| 07:55.16 | dtzWill | xtightvncserver apparently |
| 07:55.19 | dtzWill | my mistake |
| 07:55.22 | wgreenhouse | yeah, tightvnc: |
| 07:55.27 | dtzWill | http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/224663-sdlvnc-vnc-client.html seems to be what i was thinking of anyway |
| 07:55.28 | ajay | I'm interested in exploring the put-X-inside-the-jail solution |
| 07:55.42 | dtzWill | ajay: honestly shouldn't be terribly hard. |
| 07:55.49 | dtzWill | more exactly i see no reason that it wouldn't work. |
| 07:55.54 | dtzWill | but might take some ...::efort:: |
| 07:55.56 | dtzWill | *effort |
| 07:56.07 | ajay | effort? |
| 07:56.18 | ajay | seems like it shouldn't be very difficult.. |
| 07:56.32 | dtzWill | good. it does seem straightforward, i just didn't wanna jinx it ;) |
| 07:56.42 | dtzWill | or you, since it seems like you'll be doing it :P |
| 07:56.54 | ajay | I don't know if the X binary i accidentally built has hard-coded paths though? |
| 07:57.03 | ajay | like if it's looking for X in /media/cryptofs... |
| 07:57.10 | ajay | (or libraries or fonts or whatever..) |
| 07:57.20 | ajay | i guess there's got to be hard-coded somewhere |
| 07:57.32 | dtzWill | a bunch of it |
| 07:57.34 | dtzWill | is way more hard-coded |
| 07:57.37 | dtzWill | than one would hope. |
| 07:57.38 | rwhitby | notes that --rpath is good for those things |
| 07:57.40 | ajay | doh! |
| 07:57.46 | ajay | rpath.. sounds familiar |
| 07:57.50 | dtzWill | it also needs to know where ot find the various x resources |
| 07:57.58 | dtzWill | not just the libraries. rpath fixes that |
| 07:58.26 | dtzWill | yay i comment my hardcoding in the xorg-server makefile |
| 07:58.27 | dtzWill | lol |
| 07:58.30 | ajay | who can introduce me to this Mr/Mrs --rpath? ;^) |
| 07:58.35 | ajay | google fails |
| 07:59.57 | ajay | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rpath_(linking) ? |
| 08:00.15 | dtzWill | judging from the url name, 100% |
| 08:02.36 | ajay | oh /usr is tiny.. this is the problem |
| 08:04.24 | ajay | and /opt will be a little underwhelmingly sized for most.. |
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| 08:07.35 | rwhitby | yep, the only sizable space on a webOS device is vfat formatted in /media/cryptofs/ |
| 08:08.15 | ajay | oh wait this stuff is small huh? xorg is like 1.3 MB, xlib like 2 mb |
| 08:08.51 | ajay | this could all go in /opt |
| 08:09.47 | ajay | this is going to take a recompile.. |
| 08:10.00 | rwhitby | well, that would make the X11 stuff depend on optware. there was once an idea that some of them might be submitted to the app catalog |
| 08:10.06 | ajay | but it's sleepy time.. |
| 08:10.18 | ajay | some of the X apps? |
| 08:10.26 | rwhitby | yep |
| 08:10.40 | ajay | well, dtz's other idea was to package X WITH the X apps, so that's always possible |
| 08:10.44 | ajay | still |
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| 08:11.43 | ajay | i don't think there's any other idea that would be appcat-able.. are services appcat-friendly? |
| 08:12.02 | ajay | could linphone get in the AC? |
| 08:13.01 | wgreenhouse | webos needs a package manager less like the appcat, and more like Preware |
| 08:13.02 | rwhitby | maybe |
| 08:14.12 | ajay | i'm down |
| 08:14.32 | ajay | but maybe you don't want dependencies in your AC |
| 08:20.13 | ajay | ok, will get back to that, and ya'll later.. |
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| 08:20.25 | ajay | i feel bad that we had such a rousing discussion, to not bring it to completion! |
| 08:20.56 | woznotwoz | Hi everyone |
| 08:21.02 | ajay | well, ya'll are welcome to explore that xvfb+vnc solution and any other rootless or Appcat-friendly methods while i sleep, and prepare for evil dentist(s) |
| 08:21.16 | ajay | woznotwoz: you either are or you aren't!! ;^) |
| 08:22.14 | rwhitby | woznotwoz: g'day |
| 08:22.43 | woznotwoz | I definitely am woz, but I am not woz. |
| 08:22.57 | ajay | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:23.07 | woznotwoz | hee hee |
| 08:23.43 | woznotwoz | I don't want to interrupt the conversation, which ajay said was rousing. |
| 08:24.09 | ajay | it seems to have diminished, i hope it will continue on.. "For the glory!" as they say |
| 08:24.17 | ajay | openoffice, appcats et al.. |
| 08:24.22 | ajay | yeah the appcat q never even got answered. |
| 08:24.23 | ajay | eh |
| 08:25.12 | ajay | ok, nite! |
| 08:25.25 | woznotwoz | What I wanted to find out about was the linphone I saw tweeted about. |
| 08:25.41 | woznotwoz | anyone know about that? |
| 08:27.39 | rwhitby | woznotwoz: yep |
| 08:28.04 | woznotwoz | Is it a softphone? |
| 08:28.14 | rwhitby | SIP VoIP client |
| 08:28.22 | rwhitby | based on linphone, surprisingly ;) |
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| 14:43.50 | joebpre | yo |
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| 15:56.40 | joebpre | anyone get the verizon serial ? |
| 15:58.06 | halfhalo | 1 |
| 15:58.24 | halfhalo | unique, I know, but it is a serial |
| 15:58.41 | joebpre | ? |
| 16:02.00 | destinal-work | halfhalo: I think he's asking for a verizon serial # to obtain the verizon dotor URL. not sure though |
| 16:02.06 | destinal-work | 1 won't do it :) |
| 16:06.32 | joebpre | should be easy I'm gonna sift through youtube videos and catch somebody slippin :-) |
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| 16:23.50 | Josef_B | or maybe not |
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| 16:40.09 | PatrickC_Pre | hay |
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| 17:25.52 | k[l | i hear that most handhelds have adopted opkg.. |
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| 17:26.00 | k[l | s/hear/see/ |
| 17:26.20 | k[l | yes.. |
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| 18:44.41 | phoque_uni | Thibaud, what was the URL to Linphone again? |
| 18:45.57 | Josef_B | wow life |
| 18:50.26 | phoque_uni | I only had the 0.1.3 one |
| 18:50.42 | phoque_uni | wich doesn't seem to be "upgradeable" to a 1.5 or 1.6 URL |
| 18:52.40 | Thibaud | phoque_uni: can you help me remember what your device is? :) |
| 18:52.49 | phoque_uni | Palm Pre 1 |
| 18:52.59 | phoque_uni | I'm using Sipgate, a german public VoIP provider |
| 18:53.09 | phoque_uni | last time it got stuck in REG_PENDING |
| 18:54.59 | Thibaud | phoque_uni: yeah, 0.1.3 had a bad bug that would stick you in this state. |
| 18:55.04 | phoque_uni | ah, ok |
| 18:55.44 | phoque_uni | Thibaud, so is there any chance I could continue participating in the testing? :-) |
| 18:57.12 | Thibaud | phoque_uni: sure, but let me tease you! May I suggest you stay tuned to the P|C alpha thread, the very first upgrade information was there (http://forums.precentral.net/webos-internals/274615-linphone-alpha-testing-3.html#post2863905). Last version is 0.1.6 (see most recent posts...). ;) |
| 18:57.33 | Thibaud | s/was/was given/ |
| 18:57.59 | Thibaud | infobot: thank you, you've been very helpful this time |
| 18:57.59 | infobot | my pleasure, Thibaud |
| 18:58.33 | Thibaud | phoque_uni: Last version ... is 0.1.6 (see most recent posts...). ;) |
| 18:58.43 | Thibaud | s/Last/Latest/ |
| 18:59.56 | Thibaud | phoque_uni: 0.1.6 should make your alpha-testing session more interesting! ;) |
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| 19:01.21 | phoque_uni | ooooohhh |
| 19:01.25 | phoque_uni | I missed the -pre part |
| 19:01.25 | phoque_uni | ha |
| 19:01.33 | phoque_uni | cheers |
| 19:02.04 | Thibaud | phoque_uni: yep! Now back on tracks you are... ;) |
| 19:02.43 | Thibaud | phoque_uni: stay tuned then |
| 19:03.14 | Thibaud | bbl |
| 19:07.19 | Josef_B | guys |
| 19:07.58 | Josef_B | im looking at a patch for universal search |
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| 19:08.24 | Josef_B | command line .. looks like i can do .emoo .qmemo etc .. is this the closest thing there is for adding stuff to the universal window when looking up stuff |
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| 19:13.46 | phoque_uni | it's working perfectly |
| 19:13.50 | phoque_uni | although he isn't here |
| 19:13.54 | phoque_uni | Thibaud rocks |
| 19:14.15 | phoque_uni | it's so nicely done |
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| 19:23.47 | helea_Uterine | heylo |
| 19:23.59 | helea_Uterine | any news on the VIOP app? |
| 19:24.02 | helea_Uterine | VOIP |
| 19:24.37 | helea_Uterine | Yo quiero VOIP |
| 19:24.44 | helea_Uterine | Andale |
| 19:27.19 | phoque_uni | version 0.1.6 is out |
| 19:27.31 | phoque_uni | I am not sure I am allowed to tell you more |
| 19:27.32 | phoque_uni | :-D |
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| 19:32.35 | ajay_ | hola! |
| 19:38.42 | ajay_ | you are.. like a touchstone? ;^) |
| 19:39.24 | Josef_B | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:39.29 | Josef_B | ajay_ what does that mean ? |
| 19:39.47 | ajay_ | oops, wrong channel.. ;^) |
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| 19:48.51 | Josef_B | anyone use tht keytoss search ? |
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| 19:54.26 | cheetahw26 | I have webOS 1.4.5 ... and for the life of me I can't seem to connect to my UNIX mail server via IMAP with a self-signed cert... I installed the cert via Certificate Manager, but I still get error 'The server's security certificate is not a trusted certificate' |
| 20:00.48 | cheetahw26 | I poked around the javascript files a little bit in /usr/palm/application/com.palm.app.email/ and found where the class that contains the errors, but my java knowledge isn't that great and I'm not certain which function is actually checking the cert |
| 20:01.21 | cheetahw26 | anyone else run into this issue, or can help me to disable this check? |
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| 20:07.56 | Josef_B | cheetahw26 jus wait for an answer |
| 20:08.11 | cheetahw26 | I'm patient :) |
| 20:08.25 | Josef_B | thats what they all say |
| 20:09.03 | phoque_uni | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:09.04 | phoque_uni | :-D |
| 20:09.23 | phoque_uni | cheetahw26: what part of the key did you load in your Pre |
| 20:09.26 | phoque_uni | and wich one in the server? |
| 20:09.51 | cheetahw26 | oh I thought it may still encrypt the info... |
| 20:10.00 | phoque_uni | yes, it will |
| 20:10.14 | phoque_uni | but you will not notice if somebody is pretending to be your server |
| 20:10.30 | phoque_uni | i.e. on a public WiFi |
| 20:11.02 | ajay_ | cheetahw26: you use the cert from desktop softwares w/o errors? |
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| 20:11.17 | ajay_ | I know i have hostname issues occassionally on the desktop |
| 20:11.42 | cheetahw26 | I'm using the same cert for https on apache, so I just opened Internet Explorer viewed and exported it... I attempted both options that read: DER encoded binary X.509 (.CER) and Base-64 encoded X.509 (.CER) |
| 20:12.11 | cheetahw26 | yes actually I can browse to the site using the built-in webos browser with no errors |
| 20:12.30 | phoque_uni | hmmm |
| 20:12.47 | phoque_uni | I am not sure but don't certificates always consist of two parts? |
| 20:12.53 | phoque_uni | a private key and a public one |
| 20:12.59 | phoque_uni | right now you only have the public part |
| 20:13.35 | phoque_uni | you server needs the private key |
| 20:13.47 | ajay_ | the private key is private for a reason :) |
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| 20:14.11 | phoque_uni | I thought it was his IMAP server |
| 20:14.14 | phoque_uni | on his own server |
| 20:14.22 | cheetahw26 | I have a smtpd.pem file that I created which I'm using for postfix and apache, which contains both the RSA Private Key and the Certificate |
| 20:14.49 | ajay_ | phoque_uni: the private key is private to the server, it's not supposed to be spread around |
| 20:14.57 | phoque_uni | I know |
| 20:15.11 | phoque_uni | I was aiming at "are web- and mail-server using the same cert"? |
| 20:15.11 | ajay_ | there's a bunch of posts online complaining about this |
| 20:15.24 | ajay_ | oh oops :) |
| 20:15.31 | helea_Uterine | 2:51:49 PM EST : Connected to sprint.ehosts.net 2:51:49 PM EST : Session ID: 2205961 2:51:49 PM EST : Dan McCarthy: Initial Question/Comment: Will my $150 upgrade eligibility be reduced to 75$ after April 1st? due to change in the premiere program? 2:51:55 PM EST : Cindy T. has joined this session! 2:51:55 PM EST : Connected with Cindy T.. Your Reference Number for this chat session is 2205961. 2:51:55 P |
| 20:16.04 | cheetahw26 | yes web and mail server are using the same cert... |
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| 20:17.19 | phoque_uni | ah ok |
| 20:17.28 | cheetahw26 | in apache I have both the SSLCertificateFile and the SSLCertificateKeyFile pointing to that same smtpd.pem |
| 20:17.42 | Josef_B | .keytoss anyone ? |
| 20:18.09 | helea_Uterine | 02/16/2011 03:07:54PMAgent (Cindy T.): "I have checked the details and found that we are considering to launch the HP pre 3 but as of now we do not have and tentative date of launching when it will be launched or about to launch it will reflect on our webist and you will also receive the email" |
| 20:18.35 | helea_Uterine | That was a chat with sprint |
| 20:19.26 | ajay_ | helea_Uterine: I mean, I hate to advocate "wait-and-see," but.. really, the probing seems a much more frustrating approach for a person.. |
| 20:19.38 | cheetahw26 | it's probably an issue with the cert... I'll recreate it using a different method and split up the key and the cert, that's most likely the issue |
| 20:19.57 | helea_Uterine | Anal probs are fun |
| 20:19.57 | ajay_ | i would be down with pushing sprint, and maybe asking them just so they know there's interest, better yet asking to get something in writing, but otherwise.. |
| 20:20.15 | phoque_uni | cheetahw26, why is the way you're using the cert in Apache of interest? |
| 20:20.16 | phoque_uni | :-D |
| 20:20.59 | ajay_ | yeah actually my key and cert are always separate, i didn't catch that when you said before.. |
| 20:21.37 | ajay_ | cheetahw26: as I started to say though, just make sure "common name in your cert has to be the actual fqdn of your mail server" |
| 20:21.41 | cheetahw26 | works everywhere else... I can connect via thunderbird, windows mail, etc. so I didn't think about that |
| 20:22.06 | ajay_ | it's interesting that thunderbird/etc don't kick an error.. hmm.. |
| 20:22.16 | Josef_B | aw |
| 20:23.05 | ajay_ | cheetahw26: did you put your CA's cert on the phone too? oh wait you don't have a CA, right.. ;^) |
| 20:24.57 | helea_Uterine | anyone can gimmie info on VOIP? |
| 20:25.36 | phoque_uni | helea_Uterine, you'll have to wait for Thibaud |
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| 20:33.30 | helea_Uterine | Is Pre 2 gui accelerated UI |
| 20:33.53 | helea_Uterine | Does not look like the Touchpad is |
| 20:34.14 | ajay_ | you mean hardware accelerated? the launcher is from what i've read |
| 20:35.23 | SineOt | yeah, right now the launcher is QT and as such hardware accelerated |
| 20:35.31 | SineOt | and the rest of the UI is planned to be from what I can remember |
| 20:36.42 | helea_Uterine | what;s QT |
| 20:37.13 | ajay_ | "what's QT got to do, got to do with it" |
| 20:37.38 | helea_Uterine | nice song |
| 20:37.40 | helea_Uterine | :D |
| 20:37.40 | ajay_ | wait, Qt?? Like, Nokia? |
| 20:38.11 | helea_Uterine | I've heard ppl talk about it before |
| 20:38.49 | ajay_ | i've not heard that anywhere.. if that was true that'd be sooo exciting |
| 20:39.10 | SineOt | yes, but it's not open to well... anything else |
| 20:39.20 | SineOt | pretty sure it's just there to support the launcher and you can't do anything else with it |
| 20:39.23 | ajay_ | Palm with the burn |
| 20:39.58 | ajay_ | man i hope Myriad releases Alien Dalvik for webOS |
| 20:41.44 | ajay_ | I would so pay for that just for google Nav.. and if they got gVoice.. i could die in peace :) |
| 20:43.37 | SineOt | heh |
| 20:45.53 | helea_Uterine | WebOS internals should make a google voice app. Voogle is pathetic |
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| 20:46.43 | ajay_ | helea_Uterine: you interested in working on such a thing? |
| 20:47.49 | helea_Uterine | Yes. I'll Alpha and beta test |
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| 21:12.50 | cheetahw26 | no deal... I created a new cert separating the certificate file from the public key, then deleted the saved cert in palm's Certificate Manager, then installed the new cert, then re-entered all of the account info and I still get the same error 'The server's certificate is not a trusted certificate.' |
| 21:13.02 | cheetahw26 | the common name on the cert is the same as the fqdn of the server |
| 21:13.39 | cheetahw26 | I can see the attempts in both dovecot and postfix logs, but they just read that the device disconnected |
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| 21:16.49 | cheetahw26 | palm messages log reads: 2011-02-16T21:15:27.997711Z [147887] palm-webos-device user.warning java: {com.palm.mail}: Wizard: Result=15 for IMAP... error code 15 |
| 21:17.59 | cheetahw26 | anyone know where the certs from Certificate Manager are stored in the webos ? |
| 21:20.51 | ajay_ | cheetahw26: you could always 'chat' with Palm! http://kb.palm.com/wps/portal/kb/na/pre/p100eww/sprint/solutions/article/40069_en.html#N10177 |
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| 21:23.49 | cheetahw26 | there's an idea :) |
| 21:24.37 | ajay_ | here's the non-sprinty URL of that page btw, incase hitting 'chat' taks ya somewhere sprinty-crazy: http://kb.palm.com/wps/portal/kb/common/article/40069_en.html, |
| 21:24.50 | cheetahw26 | do they really make you install some .exe on your pc to chat with them ? |
| 21:25.41 | cheetahw26 | logmeinrescue ... |
| 21:26.17 | ajay_ | they should install that on your phone, heh.. you could call them too |
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| 22:12.05 | cheetahw26 | looks like it may be a bug in ver. 1.4.5, but that it may not have been effected if you installed the cert using a previous version and the upgraded |
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| 22:48.21 | ajay_ | ttfn |
| 22:51.22 | dtzWill | ajay_: cya :) |
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| 23:19.39 | boqopod | hey all - I downloaded the WebOS Doc 1.4.5 for Vzw... I have palm pre plus... going to do a full restore - I have to press up volume button when I plug into USB when WebOS Doc says to connect phone? |
| 23:19.48 | boqopod | just checking workflow. |
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| 23:20.18 | SineOt | Yes, but you'll need to hold volume up when you're powering the phone on |
| 23:20.29 | SineOt | it should then display a giant USB icon |
| 23:20.59 | boqopod | o.k. so I plug the phone in when it is off when prompted by Doc, then turn phone on while holding up volume? |
| 23:21.24 | SineOt | you don't have to plug it in, normally I put it into the recovery mode while not connected |
| 23:21.51 | SineOt | so basically: turn phone off, hold volume and while still holding press power, phone boots to USB logo, plug in for doctor |
| 23:21.56 | boqopod | o.k. - then once it is connected Doc sees it - and then the "next" button is available to me |
| 23:22.15 | Loudergood | bingo |
| 23:23.12 | boqopod | o.k. - held down "up volume" and then power - I see "palm" logo - therefore I need to start over? |
| 23:24.21 | SineOt | yup |
| 23:24.34 | SineOt | hold down up volume, then while still holding it down press power |
| 23:24.37 | rwhitby | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/How_To_Recover |
| 23:24.43 | rwhitby | follow that precisely |
| 23:25.03 | boqopod | thanks whitby |
| 23:25.22 | boqopod | thanks Sine+Louder |
| 23:26.53 | boqopod | it went to "palm" again - |
| 23:27.12 | rwhitby | you're not following it precisely then |
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| 23:51.09 | Thibaud | Hi everyone! :) |
| 23:51.49 | Thibaud | infobot: hi dude! How's life going these days? |
| 23:51.50 | infobot | Many greetings, dude! How's life going these days, most strange traveller, to this IRCdom of plenty. |
| 23:51.59 | boqopod | so the only way it went to "usb" icon was to plug in USB to phone, pull battery, replace battery while holding "volume up" button |
| 23:52.06 | boqopod | hey Thibaud |
| 23:52.25 | Thibaud | hi boqopod |
| 23:53.56 | Thibaud | boqopod: I can feel some symmetry in your name, a palindrome in fact, quite nice ;) |
| 23:54.22 | Thibaud | s/name/nick/ |
| 23:54.29 | SineOt | that's not a palindrome... ;p |
| 23:54.47 | SineOt | boqopod <-> dopoqob |
| 23:54.51 | rwhitby | it's a reflective palindrome |
| 23:55.13 | rwhitby | about a central axis |
| 23:55.18 | boqopod | I own bp.pd, boq.pod, bqopd & boqopod |
| 23:55.26 | boqopod | they were all pre internet |
| 23:57.12 | Thibaud | rwhitby: you're right, a reflective palindrome! |
| 23:59.33 | boqopod | well - I'm gonna let my Pre Plus finish it's course and watch V and House MD - have a good night folks |