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| 06:17.36 | mikey__ | I am trying to find a touch screen keybored for my palm pre and I don't know where to go and how to get it |
| 06:17.52 | SineOt | preware: virtual keyboard |
| 06:18.27 | mikey__ | I try it and it don't do shit or says error can't open it |
| 06:19.52 | mikey__ | so you got any tips |
| 06:20.42 | halfhalo | Be more descriptive with the errors |
| 06:21.02 | SineOt | if it don't work, restart until it does! :U |
| 06:21.40 | mikey__ | it says it can't open |
| 06:21.45 | mikey__ | that's it's |
| 06:22.37 | rwhitby | ~smart-questions |
| 06:22.37 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, smart-questions is http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
| 06:23.26 | rwhitby | see especially the section entitled "Be precise and informative about your problem" |
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| 06:35.59 | mugen- | rwhitby: I like the Q&A about configuring a shell prompt... |
| 06:36.27 | mugen- | ...or maybe the statement of windows machine not working. |
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| 18:41.46 | sega02 | hey everyone |
| 18:42.00 | MetaView | hi sega |
| 18:42.40 | sega02 | just got a pre and cryptk set it up for me. |
| 18:43.18 | MetaView | cool |
| 18:43.28 | MetaView | now you port a sega emulator |
| 18:43.40 | sega02 | it's really awesome. my mytouch4g seems pathetic now |
| 18:43.43 | sega02 | haha |
| 18:44.32 | sega02 | i've actually never done much with sega consoles vefore |
| 18:44.53 | sega02 | wirc is a nice client |
| 18:48.49 | sega02 | interestingly, my wifi settings sort of locked up earlier. a reboot helped, though |
| 18:50.58 | sega02 | my battery has also gone di |
| 18:51.41 | sega02 | *down 13% in 20 minutes of active use |
| 18:52.42 | sega02 | it was on uberkernel default. I switched it to screen state 500/1000. I guess it'll get worse? |
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| 19:26.36 | sega01 | any idea of why the palm pre's take so long to reboot? |
| 19:27.10 | jhowirc | lunasysmgr slow |
| 19:27.13 | sega01 | hmm, i guess that was a bit about a minute |
| 19:27.20 | sega01 | seemed faster, maybe |
| 19:27.35 | halfhalo | remembers the 5min boot times of the past |
| 19:27.50 | sega01 | when you do the shutdown/swap battery and it flashes the palm logo at you, is that the time to swap the battery or do i need to wait for a blank creen? |
| 19:27.52 | sega01 | *screen |
| 19:28.24 | sega01 | got a battery % in the top bar and phone disable mod. very nice |
| 19:28.31 | sega01 | what does airplane mode do? disable wifi and phone? |
| 19:31.04 | sega01 | is it fine to run other things at the same time as the battery calibration? looks like it has to drain down by about 0.4V |
| 19:36.03 | MetaView | sega: I adjusted the voltage in Govnah, I have the feeling it helps quite a lot |
| 19:38.15 | sega01 | on the CPU? i see |
| 19:38.26 | sega01 | super tux isn't working with tilt. is that normal? |
| 19:38.42 | MetaView | don't know |
| 19:39.06 | sega01 | does the first pre have an accelerometer? |
| 19:39.25 | MetaView | yes |
| 19:40.16 | sega01 | hmm, ok |
| 19:40.21 | sega01 | the app's description says it should work |
| 19:40.43 | sega01 | no extra information on the wiki for it |
| 19:40.45 | sega01 | sound also isn't on |
| 19:40.51 | sega01 | but still very cool |
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| 19:45.07 | sega01 | accellerometer seems to work because shaking in mybpm works |
| 19:45.09 | sega01 | interesting |
| 19:45.23 | sega01 | this phone isn't in the best of shape, so i wasn't sure if that might be it |
| 19:55.44 | sega01 | argh |
| 19:55.56 | sega01 | terminal is stuck in a horizontal view mode, even if i close it and reopen it |
| 20:01.53 | sega01 | i see nothing of disabling landscape or enabling it in the code |
| 20:02.05 | MetaView | terminal? |
| 20:02.06 | sega01 | i think i'll give xterm a try |
| 20:02.07 | sega01 | yeah |
| 20:02.14 | MetaView | I guess it's something special |
| 20:02.40 | sega01 | doesn't make sense to give it that rotate view, unless perhaps you need to see something horizontally for a second |
| 20:03.10 | sega01 | eek, xterm needs X. i guess htat makes sense |
| 20:03.28 | sega01 | what do you use for a terminal? |
| 20:07.26 | MetaView | terminal on the device |
| 20:07.35 | MetaView | it portrait here |
| 20:07.40 | MetaView | it is |
| 20:08.13 | destinal | sega01: webos app called "terminal", it's an npapi based terminal that runs on the pre as a plugin to its browser |
| 20:08.33 | destinal | it works like any other webos app, ie you just click its icon |
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| 20:11.25 | sega01 | right, i think that's what i've been using |
| 20:11.27 | sega01 | the one in preware |
| 20:11.31 | sega01 | just called terminal |
| 20:11.38 | sega01 | except it gets stuck in landscape mode |
| 20:12.00 | sega01 | just tried the video recorder. so awesome that it can truncate video like that |
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| 20:13.21 | sega01 | is there any simple way to remove sprint's apps? |
| 20:13.42 | scooter314 | there are patchs for that on preware |
| 20:13.53 | sega01 | great, thanks |
| 20:14.04 | sega01 | preware is really cool |
| 20:14.27 | sega01 | so it sounds like there are no HSPA+ com boards for the pre's yet? |
| 20:14.32 | scooter314 | sure is, makes palm devices that much better. |
| 20:16.17 | sega01 | is that sprint patch you mentioned the "hide sprint navigation app" one? |
| 20:16.20 | sega01 | or is it something else? |
| 20:17.14 | scooter314 | there is that one and you can also remove amazon, nascar. they all say "hide" in front of them. |
| 20:18.19 | sega01 | ah, i see |
| 20:18.24 | sega01 | so there's no way to just remove the apps, easily? |
| 20:18.25 | rwhitby | just use the advanced launcher patch, and hide what you want |
| 20:18.50 | rwhitby | they're in a partition you can't easily use for other things anyway |
| 20:19.27 | scooter314 | listen to whitby, knows what he talking about. |
| 20:20.11 | sega01 | great, thanks |
| 20:21.06 | sega01 | is restart luna different than a full restart? |
| 20:21.22 | sega01 | i notice that app installs tend to fail that require luna restarts if you already have one in queue |
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| 20:22.31 | sega01 | hmm, terminus doesn't work at all |
| 20:25.37 | sega01 | advanced launcher seems to conflict with the 5x5 app board |
| 20:26.05 | rwhitby | advanced launcher supercedes and obsoletes about 50 other patches |
| 20:26.52 | scooter314 | quick question, any other good webos/palm channels that I can take a look at? |
| 20:27.33 | scooter314 | or just good channels? |
| 20:27.53 | sega01 | #reddit :-D |
| 20:27.57 | sega01 | well, it's not all that awesome |
| 20:28.03 | sega01 | ##cars is cool |
| 20:28.51 | scooter314 | thanks, you figure out advanced launcher? |
| 20:30.31 | sega01 | just restarting luna now after removing the conflicting one |
| 20:30.37 | sega01 | even after removing it, i still couldn't install it |
| 20:30.52 | sega01 | i think QR code integration would be really sweet |
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| 20:32.15 | sega01 | sweet, there's an app for that |
| 20:33.23 | rwhitby | sega01: FYI, if you get the feeling that people aren't answering some of your questions, it's cause they are FAQs that are answered pretty well on the wiki or the PreCentral forums. |
| 20:34.02 | sega01 | ok, sorry. i'll take a look there |
| 20:38.07 | sega01 | there are a lot of different launcher configuration apps. Advanced Configuration for App Launcher wouldn't install, but advanced options in launcher did. it doesn't seem to support hiding, though |
| 20:39.11 | sega01 | Advanced Configuration for App Launcher fails on appinfo.json.rej. hmm |
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| 20:41.09 | rwhitby | remove all patches, then start in the Advanced category first. |
| 20:42.03 | sega01 | even battery % and radio disable? those were the only ones. i'll give that a try |
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| 20:43.57 | rwhitby | there's also a thread for the ACAL patch |
| 20:44.01 | semprance | rwhitby: is it possible that the sms backup could be extend to the other databases? Impostah seems to have no problem writing to com.palm kinds |
| 20:44.18 | semprance | *not other databases, other kinds |
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| 20:44.28 | rwhitby | semprance: yep, the intention is that save/restore will have scripts for all those things |
| 20:44.31 | sega01 | Advanced Configuration for App Launcher failed to install after removing all patches. do i need to restart luna before trying it? |
| 20:44.51 | rwhitby | sega01: best thing now is to visit the forum thread |
| 20:45.25 | rwhitby | if it's a meta-doctored or activation-bypassed phone, there may be a conflict on the first-use app |
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| 20:46.18 | sega01 | it is. i'm reading the wiki now |
| 20:47.57 | sega01 | that seems to probably be the cause. i think i'll just put smaller patches onto it |
| 20:48.43 | rwhitby | no, you want to resolve the conflict and use ACAL. believe me. |
| 20:52.42 | sega01 | so i need to re meta-doctor and activtaion bypass it, then install ACAL, then first use? |
| 20:53.32 | rwhitby | no, just edit the appinfo.json to revert what meta-doctor did |
| 20:53.52 | sega01 | ok, i see |
| 20:54.07 | sega01 | i'm sorry for being slow. it's literally my first day using the phone and i didn't do the meta-doctoring myself |
| 20:54.20 | rwhitby | I really need to get sconix to make ACAL compatible with meta-doctored devices |
| 20:55.30 | sega01 | a lot of people in the thread say that it makes the menu more sluggish. is that still true? |
| 20:55.53 | sega01 | also, what document should i start with for changing the file? i don't get the rootfs mounting it as a usb drive |
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| 20:59.36 | rwhitby | sega01: install the SDK and use novaterm to access the device. or install OpenSSH from Preware and set up some keys for ssh access. |
| 21:08.47 | sega01 | i'll try openssh. thanks :-) |
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| 21:23.01 | sega01 | :-O |
| 21:23.02 | sega01 | i got in |
| 21:23.03 | sega01 | sweet |
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| 21:28.12 | semprance | rwhitby: backing up and restoring immediately works, but if I delete a message in the messaging app and then try to restore I get a 'revision mismatch' error |
| 21:30.29 | sega01 | so if i move firstuse's appinfo.json to appinfo.json.bak, i get the exact same error |
| 21:30.32 | sega01 | doesn't really make any sense |
| 21:33.17 | rwhitby | semprance: change visible:true to visible:false in it |
| 21:37.23 | semprance | flags.visible? |
| 21:38.27 | semprance | still getting: db: revision mismatch - expected 1169, got 593 |
| 21:38.47 | semprance | numbers change every time |
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| 21:40.24 | sega01 | :-D |
| 21:40.28 | sega01 | i got ACAL to install |
| 21:42.01 | destinal | ACAL? |
| 21:42.48 | sega01 | advanced configuration app launcher |
| 21:43.39 | destinal | ah |
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| 21:54.19 | rwhitby | semprance: yes, when putting an object back into db8, don't set the revision |
| 21:54.44 | semprance | I tried that but it said 'require _rev' |
| 21:54.55 | semprance | I'll try again in a moment |
| 21:55.52 | semprance | actually I tried setting it to undefined, this time I'll try deleting it |
| 21:55.56 | semprance | maybe the _id too |
| 21:57.39 | semprance | emptying the database before the insert might be necessary, although a bit risky... |
| 22:02.46 | semprance | backup says there's one message, and the restore succeeds but no messages show up... |
| 22:02.53 | semprance | Might have to doctor and start again >_M |
| 22:03.01 | semprance | whoops, >_< |
| 22:03.13 | sega01 | what is the serial usb passthrough mode about? |
| 22:03.27 | sega01 | would be really sweet if it could emulate a USB serial device and get into the console that way |
| 22:04.34 | destinal | sega01: we could do that with a usb gadget |
| 22:09.52 | semprance | rhwitby: I think the reason it's not showing up is that when I delete a message in the messages app, it deletes the thread from chatthread:1 too |
| 22:10.06 | rwhitby | yep, that makes sense |
| 22:10.11 | semprance | So presumably I'll need to back them up as well |
| 22:10.39 | semprance | Also what is the difference between message:1 and smsmessage:1 ? |
| 22:10.43 | semprance | If anything |
| 22:12.10 | semprance | I've been assuming that message:1 is smsmessage:1, mmsmessage:1, etc. combined but now I'm not so sure |
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| 22:14.04 | rwhitby | I believe it's an inheritance thing |
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| 22:16.11 | semprance | hmm, so will changing an message:1 entry update the same entry in smsmessage:1, or vice versa? |
| 22:16.35 | rwhitby | I don't expect so |
| 22:17.26 | semprance | oh :-( |
| 22:17.32 | semprance | multiple updates then I guess |
| 22:17.38 | semprance | better study the json some more.. |
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| 23:42.28 | osahum | Unscramble: EHT TAIWGIN SI HET STRADHE TARP |
| 23:43.48 | fahhem | waiting for what? |
| 23:45.08 | SineOt | The scramble before it: February 9th |
| 23:48.20 | osahum | :) |
| 23:50.08 | osahum | the new F105 is out!!! |
| 23:50.11 | osahum | yes!!! |
| 23:50.15 | osahum | sweet |
| 23:50.46 | osahum | if unixpsycho was a god.. i would be kneeing for him now!! |
| 23:51.12 | osahum | maybe he is god? |
| 23:51.19 | SineOt | don't you mean kneeling? :p |
| 23:51.28 | osahum | yes |
| 23:51.51 | osahum | kneeling before him |
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| 23:59.13 | bpadalino | http://linux.slashdot.org/story/11/01/13/2248207/Embedded-Linux-1-Second-Cold-Boot-To-QT - very interesting .. original pre is 500MHz.. and new luna is a QT application |
| 23:59.19 | bpadalino | Qt rather |