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| 00:04.31 | lingfish | rwhitby ? :) |
| 00:05.09 | rwhitby | lingfish: dunno |
| 00:05.17 | lingfish | k |
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| 00:39.27 | Vince42 | is it possible to make the novacom driver working without installing the whole SDK? |
| 00:40.26 | ka6sox | which OS Vince? |
| 00:40.32 | Vince42 | win 7 |
| 00:40.45 | Vince42 | ult 64 bit |
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| 00:42.52 | ka6sox | Vince42, sorry, don't know anything about the W7 version :( |
| 00:45.21 | Vince42 | np - thx anyway! |
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| 00:45.25 | Loudergood | start running the webos doctor |
| 00:45.29 | Loudergood | or not.. |
| 01:13.38 | bhuey | freetether is working better than ever |
| 01:13.41 | bhuey | thanks |
| 01:13.49 | bhuey | I kind of gave up on mytether |
| 01:13.59 | bhuey | was a donor for that as well |
| 01:24.19 | rwhitby | heh, you mean you bought it :) |
| 01:25.12 | halfhalo | Same difference |
| 01:29.22 | bhuey | mytether was good for its time |
| 01:29.36 | bhuey | but it's been broken for me sinc 1.4.5 as it has for others and there haven't been updates |
| 01:29.44 | bhuey | orphanware basically |
| 01:30.57 | halfhalo | Because the guy was a scammer basically |
| 01:31.56 | bhuey | scammer probably not |
| 01:31.59 | bhuey | neglectful yes |
| 01:33.16 | rwhitby | let's just say that his attention to copyright details was not perfect |
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| 02:02.38 | destinal | he was certainly clever with the financial thing, I wonder how much money he made off mytether |
| 02:03.21 | halfhalo | One bajillion dollars |
| 02:05.02 | bpadalino | no wonder it's orphanware .. if i had one bajillion dollars .. i think i'd abandon it too |
| 02:09.58 | destinal | bpadalino: freeTether spoils his brilliant plans for a comeback |
| 02:10.22 | destinal | actually it was probably MHS + old school freetether's ip_forward hack |
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| 06:25.03 | egaudet | freeTether 0.99.8 now in testing feed |
| 06:37.45 | ka6sox | ~~~~ |
| 06:37.45 | infobot | ARGH!!! STOP IT ka6sox!!! |
| 06:38.27 | ka6sox | ~freetether |
| 06:44.38 | halfhalo | Fail |
| 06:45.30 | rwhitby | egaudet: I think you might have an error in the startup-assistant.js file |
| 06:45.44 | rwhitby | egaudet: on first install, you'll get a white screen. restart and it's fine. |
| 06:45.59 | rwhitby | usually happens when there is a missing comma in the changelog or something |
| 06:49.24 | oil | got that as well |
| 06:50.40 | egaudet | fixed, 0.99.9 fixes missing comma |
| 06:57.15 | rwhitby | egaudet: in Impostah, I disable the buttons while the spinner is active - you might want to do the same for the buttons |
| 06:57.37 | rwhitby | that should help the "hit the buttons randomly to confuse it" problem |
| 06:57.51 | rwhitby | s/buttons/toggles/ |
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| 08:54.29 | jojoo | hei. at my palm pre, there is only sound when i get called or when i put on the speaker while telephoning. there is no sound at the alarm or playing music or videos. i tried rebooting several times, didn't work. what would you do? |
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| 08:55.21 | rwhitby | reboot, check sound settings, and if those fail, visit the webOS doctor. |
| 08:58.07 | jojoo | ok, thanks |
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| 09:10.22 | Jack87 | jojoo, plug headphones in and out a few times |
| 09:11.03 | Jack87 | jojoo, back and forth... try calling your voicemail while you do it and watch to see if the speaker phone icon changes |
| 09:11.51 | jojoo | Jack87: i just read that in the precentral forums. sounds like black magic ;) |
| 09:11.55 | jojoo | i'll try |
| 09:12.15 | Jack87 | doctor wont fix it.. its some sort of weird shit within the headphons jack. i had to get my pre replaced once for it. happened to another one and it was solved by accident doing that |
| 09:12.51 | Jack87 | hehe no one had seen it before when i had the issue. you lucky man :) |
| 09:13.19 | jojoo | wouldnt call me a lucky man, i overslept beacause of this shit |
| 09:13.25 | hape | jojoo: Jack87 instrucktions worked for me more then once. It's a hardware problem I live with as I use BT headphones most the time |
| 09:13.37 | Jack87 | jojoo, mentions black magic while i am watching "Merlin" :) |
| 09:13.49 | hape | lol |
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| 09:15.36 | Jack87 | i hope everyone is enjoying their new year... i have already had to write the date is 2011 it was odd |
| 09:18.57 | jojoo | i tried it now very often, with calling my voicemail and listening to music, but it doesnt work :/ |
| 09:19.29 | Jack87 | jojoo, keep going |
| 09:20.13 | Jack87 | twist it back and fort put it in and out. i say to call your voice mail so you can watch the speaker phone button change thats when you know its fixed |
| 09:20.45 | jojoo | wow. as you said keep going it worked! |
| 09:20.51 | jojoo | thanks a lot |
| 09:20.53 | Jack87 | :) enjoy |
| 09:21.09 | jojoo | .oO(could'nt you say that before) |
| 09:21.49 | jojoo | is going to post to the forums: put it in and out, back & forth, Jack87 has to say "keep going", then it will work ;) |
| 09:22.58 | jojoo | ok, thanks a lot, now i can go to breakfast ;) |
| 09:23.47 | Jack87 | ~infobot nosound is fixed by plugging headphones in and out a few times back and forth in the headphones jack... try calling your voicemail while you do it and watch to see if the speaker phone icon changes when it changes thats when you stop and it should be fixed |
| 09:23.47 | infobot | okay, Jack87 |
| 09:24.29 | Jack87 | jojoo, i might go to bed soon :) |
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| 10:51.38 | R_E_ | anyone in here getting 0 apps in the app catalog? |
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| 10:55.21 | rwhitby | nope |
| 10:56.12 | rwhitby | actually, on 1.4.5, yes. |
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| 12:53.42 | hape | In germany I get 4191 with 1.4.5 |
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| 15:05.18 | bastianm | is it possible to compile objective-c code with the WIDK? |
| 15:06.21 | bastianm | if not: how can i put objc in enable-languages and rebuild the gcc used for cross-compilation? |
| 15:20.05 | egaudet | morning |
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| 15:24.16 | zsoc_web | it's too early for objc questions |
| 15:24.29 | zsoc_web | crap. now i want to get objc compiling working in the widk |
| 15:30.44 | halfhalo | lol |
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| 15:33.48 | summatusmentis | has anyone considered hosting their own "Cloud" for WebOS to talk to? |
| 15:36.12 | summatusmentis | so that it doesn't need to be dependent on Palm? |
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| 15:38.08 | tranquille | hi @ all |
| 15:38.54 | tranquille | i have a question about the PalmDatabase from an Palm Pre Plus |
| 15:39.10 | bastianm | summatusmentis: would be cool to let webos use apple's calendar server (FOSS: calendarserver.org) |
| 15:39.36 | bastianm | also includes the address book server |
| 15:39.38 | tranquille | is it possible to add a contact whit plain sql syntax ? |
| 15:40.04 | tranquille | like "INSERT INTO com_palm_pim_contact ...." |
| 15:40.21 | summatusmentis | bastianm: that's sort of what I'm wondering, whether or not something like that could be run on a personal server |
| 15:41.14 | tranquille | i didn't have a cloue how to create the right id's |
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| 15:47.38 | halfhalo | is uploading his ces gigabyte video now |
| 15:48.20 | tranquille | so nobody has an idea how i can manage to add an contact direct to the database |
| 15:48.21 | tranquille | ? |
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| 15:55.19 | halfhalo | http://git.preyourmind.org/video-2011-01-05-19-16-21.mp4 |
| 15:55.34 | ka6sox | whats that of? |
| 15:55.58 | halfhalo | gigabyte press conference |
| 15:56.05 | ka6sox | kwl |
| 15:57.03 | halfhalo | open bars EVERYWHERE |
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| 16:25.13 | bobbydharrell | I would like to report a bug in preware ... Under application all and under list everything .. If sorted by time the list is incorrect and will shift after looking at any app or other ... Then shift again after viewing the next ... |
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| 16:49.34 | flare576 | hmm, it appears there's a new egaudet` ...? In any case, I have a DBUS/Log dump for FreeTether 0.99.9 trying to connect a Nintendo DSi :) http://webos.pastebin.com/abrcYqfF |
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| 17:05.39 | egaudet` | flare576: so all looks well? |
| 17:11.19 | flare576 | nope, not really; should the DSi have failed initially? |
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| 17:11.47 | flare576 | :: tries to get back in the habit of using names in IRC:: |
| 17:11.48 | egaudet | it looks like there is flakiness with the DSi's connection, but not FT related |
| 17:12.13 | egaudet | i.e. the wifi service reports back to FT service about connections |
| 17:12.23 | flare576 | egaudet: why would it have worked the second time then? and you're right, the DSi doesn't quite follow the same rules as a standard PC connection |
| 17:12.31 | egaudet | and it's picking up the DSi, then sending empty client list, then picking it up |
| 17:12.33 | flare576 | ohhh, ok |
| 17:13.07 | flare576 | hmm, so as long as there's at least one device already on the wifi list, it works (even when there really should be 2) |
| 17:13.10 | egaudet | but are the other issues you saw solved, e.g. client list etc... |
| 17:13.30 | egaudet | also try to connect the DSi twice in a row. |
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| 17:13.32 | flare576 | absolutely! |
| 17:13.40 | egaudet | rather than dsi -> pc -> dsi |
| 17:13.47 | flare576 | ok, I'll give it a shot now. |
| 17:14.04 | PreNoob | howdy folks - I need some assistance with installing preware... |
| 17:14.58 | flare576 | where are you in the process, PreNoob ? |
| 17:15.03 | ka6sox | http://install.preware.org/ |
| 17:15.05 | PreNoob | I had a PC running XP - which died, now I have a PC that's running windows 7 starter... and a Mac that's running 10.4 BOTH are not compatible with Quick Install |
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| 17:16.11 | PreNoob | I managed to get terminal, internalz, & brightness unlinked installed before my PCs motherboard took a crap |
| 17:16.20 | flare576 | PreNoob: have you tried just using the "get Preware" portiion of this? http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Preware |
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| 17:16.44 | PreNoob | i know I should have FIRST installed PREWARE... but I am an idiot and hence why I'm here asking |
| 17:17.15 | flare576 | PreNoob: hah, everyone has to start somewhere, heck, yesterday egaudet led me through 3 hours of getting some logs off my phone :) |
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| 17:18.09 | egaudet | PreNoob: use mac, install SDK, grab latest preware package from feed, palm-install it |
| 17:18.28 | PreNoob | thanks for the link Flare576 - I was scouring the Preware.org page and it only had instructions via WOSQUI |
| 17:19.29 | PreNoob | equadet - you mean via terminal on the pre? |
| 17:19.52 | flare576 | egaudet: i thought maybe the "Connection Test" was doing something odd to try and connect, so I tried just using a web-enabled application on it, still couldn't connect despite repeated attempts; I think as it stands there may need to be an existing device connected. |
| 17:21.40 | flare576 | PreNoob: I think he was talking about using your mac to install it remotely, kinda like... http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Portal:Accessing_Linux on the right |
| 17:22.08 | PreNoob | Flare576 - i used the link you gave me and followed the instructions for doing it via terminal - thanks much!! |
| 17:22.27 | flare576 | awesome, glad you're up and running :) |
| 17:22.30 | PreNoob | preware installed and purrin like a kitten |
| 17:23.09 | flare576 | yells "Don't forget to donate" after the dust trail |
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| 17:27.37 | egaudet | flare576: that is really odd |
| 17:28.06 | egaudet | flare576: do you have MHS ? |
| 17:28.58 | flare576 | I don't recognize the accronym |
| 17:30.28 | egaudet | The mobile hotspot app |
| 17:30.49 | flare576 | I used to, I removed it before installing the first release of the new FT |
| 17:31.06 | egaudet | did you ever use it with the DSi? |
| 17:31.10 | flare576 | new discovery: configuring the Nintendo DSi to have a static IP worked |
| 17:31.35 | flare576 | It had a problem where new devices starting connections would cause the data signal to drop, so it wasn't compatible. |
| 17:32.11 | egaudet | k I was just trying to see if there's anything that I can do different in FT service for this case |
| 17:32.17 | flare576 | (the DSi phones home immediately after creating a new connection to see if there are any firmware updates or changes to service agreement) |
| 17:32.30 | egaudet | if MHS worked for it then I'd be inclined to say i'm assuming something wrong or doing something wrong |
| 17:33.12 | flare576 | noppers, you're doing something even more right; there was absolutely no chance that MHS would ever have worked with DSi, at least the version I had. |
| 17:33.48 | flare576 | I'm going to do another dbus/log grab with the DSi setup to ignore DHCP, see if there's something you can spot that it does differently. |
| 17:34.14 | egaudet | dome a favor in the tail change it to: |
| 17:34.16 | flare576 | has anyone tested with a PS3/360/Wii yet? |
| 17:34.35 | egaudet | tail -f /var/log/messages |grep -v MUTEX |
| 17:34.43 | egaudet | flare576: not that I've heard |
| 17:35.53 | flare576 | ok, I'll see if I can give at least the Wii/PS3 a shot tonight; my brother-in-law has one of the new 360's with built-in wifi, but I don't know he wants me tinkering ;) |
| 17:36.52 | flare576 | egaudet: do you want "tail -f /var/log/messages | grep -v MUTEX | grep freetether" or do you just want everything except the MUTEX ? |
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| 17:37.42 | egaudet | the former, thanks |
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| 17:53.35 | flare576 | egaudet: that produced a log of much more reasonable length :D http://webos.pastebin.com/aFFVFVxM |
| 18:02.29 | egaudet | capture me wifi service and leave the DSi connected for a bit |
| 18:02.32 | flare576 | To be honest, expecting someone to do a manual configuration to work with a hotspot is pretty common (not that even attempting it is common as far as I've heard), but it just seems like there's a way around it in this case :D |
| 18:02.45 | egaudet | dbus-util --capture com.palm.wifi |
| 18:03.05 | flare576 | with the way I have it now? |
| 18:03.10 | egaudet | yeah |
| 18:03.15 | flare576 | ok dokey |
| 18:03.18 | egaudet | is the DSi internet good? or is it flakey? |
| 18:03.39 | flare576 | pretty solid, yup. I'm going to tool around some websites with it this time instead of just a connection test :D |
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| 18:04.09 | egaudet | get me like 2 minutes idle, from fresh restart through connect and then 2 minutes idle. Then hit up some sites for couple minutes |
| 18:04.12 | flare576 | just want dbus, nothing from log? |
| 18:04.20 | egaudet | yeah just wifi dbus |
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| 18:04.52 | flare576 | cool, I can do that, but I'm not sure exactly what the DSi is going to do during that "connected, but idle" state :) |
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| 18:05.26 | flare576 | pre restarting now, so.. I'll be able to test in about 3 days. |
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| 18:14.04 | flare576 | hrm, keeps giving me (matching bus containing 'com.palm.wifi') then exiting. |
| 18:14.51 | flare576 | I got that with org.webosinternals.freetether every time I restarted, but I usually solved it with a swipe-up and showing the app menu... |
| 18:16.07 | flare576 | annnd now it's working; squeaky wheel and all that, I guess |
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| 18:20.43 | destinal | is strongly considering buying a ps3 now that the root keys have been published. |
| 18:21.12 | destinal | actually controlling the hardware you buy is rather important IMO |
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| 18:30.11 | flare576 | egaudet: gotta warn you, this one is pretty boring ;) http://webos.pastebin.com/j8ayYiwm |
| 18:31.24 | flare576 | destinal: yeah, I'm pretty impressed with all the stuff they have going on with the PS3; not sure I'm ready to take a dip in that pool yet, but very interesting. |
| 18:32.46 | destinal | bought palm pre and nook color both based on news that they weren't locked down. even if I don't have a pressing need to run my own code, I want to know that I can if I want to |
| 18:33.47 | flare576 | the nook color is a hell of a proposition. I have the original wifi/3g nook, and had it rooted for the first few months for browsing capability until B&N added an official one. |
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| 18:35.08 | flare576 | The lock on what you can do with the 3g on the nook 3g is a little disappointing, but I think hacking around it is damn near impossible (or at least against a few points of the EULA) |
| 18:37.19 | flare576 | destinal: is the nook color wifi only or 3g as well? |
| 18:38.25 | destinal | flare576: wifi only, though there are some pads on the board for sdio 3g/4g chip -- these pads are not populated in the current version but indicate they may be planning on something |
| 18:38.54 | destinal | for a future production run |
| 18:39.40 | flare576 | gotcha, very interesting. I enjoyed reading that you could root the device, access android app store, grab the kindle app, and read books from amazon :) |
| 18:40.35 | destinal | heh, freedom of choice is nice. angry birds seems to be popular too. why these things out of everything a tablet computer can do, I have no idea, but there you go |
| 18:40.38 | flare576 | I'd rather give my $$ to BN, but it's a novel idea for folks who already have a kindle. |
| 18:42.16 | flare576 | I think it goes in phases; I haven't used my Pre for anything more than a "dumb phone" for the last month or two, but for now I'm gung-ho for getting tethering and streaming data and IRC and whatever else I can pack into it :) |
| 18:45.03 | flare576 | a little off-topic, but I hope Palm nails on-screen keyboard. After almost 1.5 years of physical keyboards and 4 different Pres because of slider/keyboard issues, I'm sort of thinking about jumping ship to on-screen. Swipe is sexy. |
| 18:46.31 | flare576 | there's always something to be said for losing the screen real estate, but I'd at least like the choice. your guy's on-screen is sweet, don't get me wrong, but I still want to see what Palm has up their sleeves. |
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| 18:51.08 | destinal | flare576: have you seen that an on screen keyboard comes built into webos 2.0.0 and higher? |
| 18:51.58 | destinal | Palm's clearly looking at slate type devices and, well, tablets :) |
| 18:53.23 | flare576 | destinal: I have not, actually, I'll start poking around some |
| 18:53.56 | flare576 | I'm excited to see what webos-internals does to a stock 1ghz processor :D |
| 18:54.07 | destinal | flare576: I would expect to see a tablet announced at their February event and given the codenames we've seen in the 2.0 doctor and which ones have keyboards, either a second tablet or an iphone-shaped something with a big glass screen |
| 18:54.21 | destinal | flare576: http://www.precentral.net/on-screen-keyboard-live-and-working-webos-2-0-update-x2-video |
| 18:54.34 | destinal | 2.0 built in OSK ^ |
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| 18:58.26 | flare576 | I love that the keyboard is "universal" in that it doesn't falter between apps. It definitely needs a little polish, though. |
| 19:00.24 | flare576 | I have a coworker with an iPhone, mac, and iPad, and I have to admit, I really like the fact that all of his devices live in sort of an "ecosystem." He takes his iPad to a meeting, types up notes while he's there, they get synced back to his mac automagically, he can update a project plan on his mac, transfer it down to his phone or ipad so that he can bring it to my desk... it's slick, and I want it on WebOS. |
| 19:01.53 | flare576 | oh yeah, that's the other thing I can't wait for with 2.0... bluetooth keyboards :D |
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| 19:08.53 | flare576 | am I still me... |
| 19:08.58 | flare576 | score. |
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| 21:41.41 | littulb | anyone know where I can download the ipkg for VIM |
| 21:42.21 | gkatsev | littulb: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Optware |
| 21:42.36 | Loudergood | yeah add the optware feed to preware |
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| 21:43.08 | littulb | I've added that feed... but dont see VIM in the list/ |
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| 21:44.19 | littulb | is it called something else in the feed? |
| 21:46.15 | destinal | wow, almost all the tablets at CES this year seem to look like iPad |
| 21:46.28 | Loudergood | guess you'll have to do it manually |
| 21:46.29 | gkatsev | destinal: yep... |
| 21:46.47 | Loudergood | destinal: chinese companies are unoriginal? color me shocked. |
| 21:46.51 | oilsworkn | destinal: you were expecting something new and innovative? |
| 21:46.52 | gkatsev | littulb: you probably need to do ipkg-opt install vim manually |
| 21:46.53 | oilsworkn | xD |
| 21:47.08 | gkatsev | littulb: since no vim package for preware was created |
| 21:47.11 | destinal | oilsworkn: heh, well hopefully PalmPad will be something different I suppose |
| 21:47.41 | oilsworkn | well |
| 21:47.47 | oilsworkn | it will be different in that its not running android |
| 21:47.53 | Loudergood | destinal: it's going to be a giant pre with full size slideout keyboard, numpad and all |
| 21:47.56 | gkatsev | destinal: it can look like the ipad, the ipad has a nice huuge bezel, perfect for the gesture area |
| 21:48.05 | oilsworkn | but a tablet really only has one shape |
| 21:48.42 | oilsworkn | and thats rectangular |
| 21:48.46 | Loudergood | eh, there's no real reason they couldn't make it octagon shaped, other than that it would be stupid |
| 21:48.59 | gkatsev | pentagonal? |
| 21:49.24 | destinal | oilsworkn: yeah but these are the same as iPad as in black, rectangular borders in the same dimensions on some |
| 21:49.44 | oilsworkn | yeah |
| 21:49.49 | Loudergood | gkatsev: I'm sure general dynamics is working on that for a certain customer |
| 21:49.57 | gkatsev | lol |
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| 22:21.22 | lingfish | Anyone 2.x doctored a Pre 1 yet? |
| 22:21.52 | rwhitby | anyone who has wouldn't be able to talk about it in a public channel |
| 22:22.12 | destinal | lingfish: with the public 2.0.1, some have, but nobody has gotten a working Luna in such a configuration |
| 22:22.42 | lingfish | Ah, so krazy hackery hasn't worked :) |
| 22:22.46 | lingfish | rwhitby: indeed |
| 22:22.51 | destinal | related to the different SGX core revision (graphics/DSP) |
| 22:23.04 | destinal | between castle and roadrunner |
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| 22:23.44 | lingfish | Right. |
| 22:23.46 | destinal | lingfish: to be honest I have ideas but haven't pursued them since I expected an official release in December |
| 22:25.11 | rwhitby | Maybe by Feb 9 now? |
| 22:25.44 | destinal | probably sooner , 2/9 is all about the new tablets / phones / whatever |
| 22:26.09 | Loudergood | time to try to build widk again |
| 22:26.32 | destinal | rwhitby: but I've been wrong before and maybe 2.0 on castle is march or later |
| 22:26.46 | destinal | The coming months tells you nothing other than there are months that aren't here yet |
| 22:26.49 | lingfish | destinal: please... start formatting dates smartly like the rest of the world, and go to metric ;) |
| 22:27.13 | Loudergood | lol |
| 22:27.22 | rwhitby | yeah, 2nd September is a bit late for stuff |
| 22:27.24 | destinal | lol, USA, last holdout of the british imperial backwardness :) |
| 22:27.26 | Loudergood | yeah it'd suck to have to wait until september |
| 22:27.34 | lingfish | hehehee |
| 22:27.48 | lingfish | Imperial I get... but seriously??? mm/dd/ ?!?!? |
| 22:27.56 | lingfish | It's just plain broken. |
| 22:27.56 | Loudergood | I don't know, the british still hang on to a lot of that crap too |
| 22:28.15 | rwhitby | lingfish: worse is that they even do mm/dd/yy |
| 22:28.25 | destinal | lingfish: 2011-09-02 better? |
| 22:28.25 | lingfish | heh. |
| 22:28.31 | lingfish | nooooooooooo! |
| 22:28.34 | destinal | :P |
| 22:28.37 | Loudergood | lingfish: I think it's related to speech, it's quite normal to say month-day here |
| 22:28.38 | lingfish | yyyy-mm-dd or dd-mm-yyyy! |
| 22:28.38 | rwhitby | there is no way that a logical thinking person can rationalise writing a date as mm/dd/yy |
| 22:28.47 | Loudergood | destinal: actually that's my favorite |
| 22:28.52 | lingfish | hahahah |
| 22:30.06 | destinal | I know I know I did it to mess with ling. obviously from sorting you want yy-mm-dd (most to least significant in ordering) |
| 22:31.25 | destinal | which is why I think 2/9 is more sensible personally |
| 22:31.36 | lingfish | Honestly, even on tax doco etc I just use yyyymmdd... even my photography. |
| 22:31.39 | lingfish | Exactly, for sorting. |
| 22:32.21 | rwhitby | bbl |
| 22:32.57 | destinal | but then you should have 10/2/9 which makes no sense from an offhand reference perspective, maybe my brain is just wired for the system I grew up using. |
| 22:33.38 | Loudergood | well two digit years are just wrong to begin with |
| 22:33.49 | Loudergood | and it'd be 11/2/9 |
| 22:34.02 | destinal | err right, 11/2/9. force of habit there |
| 22:34.43 | destinal | Loudergood: actually two digits makes a lot of sense when not programming computers. economical and generally unambiguous |
| 22:35.01 | destinal | after all I don't plan to be anywhere in 1911 or 2111 |
| 22:36.33 | destinal | If I start a story with: back in the summer of 92, referring to myself, it's safe to assume 1992 :) |
| 22:40.46 | destinal | writing dates on documentation even, if would be a bit odd if you don't already know what century the document is from. |
| 22:41.42 | destinal | ack, MS Windows on OMAP! |
| 22:42.00 | halfhalo | real men just say "that one day wth the thing" |
| 22:42.02 | destinal | hides |
| 22:42.18 | halfhalo | I want it on the new moto phone |
| 22:42.35 | destinal | halfhalo: or just use the word "dude" and vary your meaning based on intonation |
| 22:43.30 | halfhalo | heh |
| 22:43.46 | halfhalo | dest, have you seen the atrix? |
| 22:43.54 | halfhalo | and lack of tabcomplet ucks |
| 22:45.13 | halfhalo | tried to find arm booth |
| 22:47.10 | destinal | halfhalo: Atrix looks really cool. I like the idea of a pocket computer that can expand out to fill whatever I/O you have |
| 22:47.23 | halfhalo | yeah |
| 22:47.35 | destinal | after all modern ARM processors are getting to be quite good netbooks |
| 22:47.54 | halfhalo | I wanna see the embedded linux replaced with something else though fr kicks |
| 22:49.04 | destinal | halfhalo: I wonder if they've done cryptographic bootloader locks or if you could put whatever you want on it |
| 22:49.20 | halfhalo | I dunno.. but it is running metacity |
| 22:49.38 | halfhalo | and has ff with full plugins |
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| 22:50.30 | halfhalo | seems like it would be fun to hack on |
| 22:50.41 | destinal | halfhalo: I had thought it was all android from reading that article |
| 22:50.43 | destinal | any links? |
| 22:51.00 | halfhalo | no links... saw it first hand |
| 22:51.11 | halfhalo | and played with the media dock as well |
| 22:52.57 | destinal | halfhalo: lots of hacking possibilities for the dock connectors too |
| 22:53.36 | halfhalo | yupyup |
| 22:53.42 | destinal | I mean if you can get keyboard and touchpad inputs and vodeo output for the netbook style dock, you could do all kinds of other things with those ports just as well |
| 22:53.55 | destinal | s/vodeo/video/ |
| 22:53.59 | halfhalo | docs have usb |
| 22:54.26 | halfhalo | docks |
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| 22:56.05 | destinal | It always seems bizarre to me, Palm pulled the Foleo just before netbooks took off. They would have been in a perfect position. |
| 22:57.26 | halfhalo | ehhh |
| 22:57.34 | halfhalo | not really |
| 22:57.42 | destinal | no? |
| 22:57.59 | halfhalo | nope |
| 22:58.19 | destinal | care to elaborate? |
| 22:58.36 | halfhalo | foleo was a whole seperate device that still needed a smartphone to function |
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| 22:59.00 | destinal | halfhalo: and your netbook doesn't? |
| 22:59.27 | halfhalo | doesn't need a smartphne nope |
| 22:59.30 | destinal | halfhalo: not talking about Atrix, just netbooks before they become phone docking stations |
| 23:00.02 | halfhalo | yeah I know |
| 23:00.10 | destinal | halfhalo: from what I'm reading, Foleo was a linux netbook, with the option of tethering to your palm phone |
| 23:00.22 | destinal | but a netbook just fine without that |
| 23:01.04 | lingfish | Hrm, is Terminal meant to work on 2.0.1? |
| 23:01.11 | lingfish | It installs, but I just get a black screen... |
| 23:01.20 | halfhalo | iirc it was a req, not an option |
| 23:01.28 | destinal | lingfish: terminal = fail on webos 2.0 and higher :( |
| 23:01.39 | lingfish | destinal: damn... k, ta. |
| 23:02.37 | destinal | lingfish: you could try "secure shell" in the testing feed. no idea how functional it is at the moment |
| 23:03.03 | lingfish | k |
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| 23:03.55 | halfhalo | destinal: the foleo wasa great concept but horrible implementation, ad I think the atrix will be... inteesting at launch as well |
| 23:04.13 | NuttyBunny | Hi everyone |
| 23:04.28 | destinal | NuttyBunny: hey |
| 23:04.45 | halfhalo | if the os is switched to windows and has gpu accl, it will sell |
| 23:04.57 | halfhalo | I would buy it in a heartbeat |
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| 23:07.13 | halfhalo | since it would replace my laptop |
| 23:10.22 | destinal | halfhalo: ugh windows? |
| 23:10.45 | NuttyBunny | I need to rant about the Telcel 2.0 Pre video that went online on "PoderPDA"... but can't!! :( |
| 23:10.47 | Loudergood | hmm well that didn't work any better than last time, different error though |
| 23:11.11 | destinal | halfhalo: how much of the software you use will be available for ARM on Windows, anyway? |
| 23:11.38 | destinal | NuttyBunny: 2.0 on the original Pre ? |
| 23:11.57 | NuttyBunny | Yep, the video that appeared on PreCentral :) |
| 23:13.48 | destinal | NuttyBunny: ah I missed it. just watching it now. |
| 23:14.32 | destinal | NuttyBunny: looks good from the video. now when are they releasing it? |
| 23:15.07 | NuttyBunny | 2.0? for Telcel Pre? who knows... I guess mid feb, after the HP's conference :) |
| 23:15.28 | NuttyBunny | I meant for the other Pre's |
| 23:15.31 | destinal | NuttyBunny: My spanish isn't great, but good enough to understand it. Seems like a favorable description. |
| 23:15.45 | NuttyBunny | for Telcel, I don't think it will see the light of the day :( |
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| 23:19.27 | destinal | NuttyBunny: did you notice that there's an Exhibition icon in one of his launcher pages? |
| 23:19.55 | destinal | that's not 2.0.1 |
| 23:20.52 | Loudergood | yeah, he obviously got that somewhere else |
| 23:21.02 | NuttyBunny | No, that's not 2.0.1 or 2.0, but the sneaky bastard hid it in the first page |
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| 23:34.11 | NuttyBunny | Verizon Wireless and HP Introduce Industry's First Notebook PCs to Use @VerizonWireless 4G LTE Network http://bit.ly/fG6iFG |
| 23:34.46 | NuttyBunny | oh, windows.. :( |
| 23:37.37 | destinal | NuttyBunny: just tether with one of the 4g tablets / phones that are coming out |
| 23:39.48 | NuttyBunny | but they won't have webOS |
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| 23:43.25 | destinal | NuttyBunny: palm's gotta give us a webos 4g phone eventually if they plan on staying around I think |
| 23:43.30 | destinal | err HP now I suppose |
| 23:43.49 | destinal | and I guess HP doesn't have to do anything to stay around if they want to spend money :) |
| 23:45.03 | Loudergood | heh, i thought they were trying to move past the fiorina era ;) |
| 23:45.19 | NuttyBunny | I just really hope webOS gains at least some of the marketshare this year, my gf loves my Pre (she has the Pre, I have a Plus), but she bought a Xperia Mini just for the medical apps :( |
| 23:46.44 | Loudergood | yeah, my gf needs to buy a new phone to move to verizon..I'm thinking of pushing her towards the pixi..she's not really a data user though.. |
| 23:47.36 | Loudergood | all she wants is a good qwerty phone that she can get for relatively cheap that I can hook up to page plus |
| 23:47.43 | destinal | Loudergood: even if not a data user, having your contacts in the cloud is handy |
| 23:47.55 | Loudergood | which is prepaid bring your own phone on verizon |
| 23:48.01 | Loudergood | oh i agree |
| 23:49.12 | Loudergood | she wants a clamshell qwerty phone but there's a real lack of those |
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| 23:52.21 | Bb | hi, I just upgraded to the Pre 2 but all my bookmarks are messed up, anyone know where I can go to fix it? |
| 23:55.05 | NuttyBunny | Messed as in different order? |
| 23:56.41 | Loudergood | hmm..maybe widk will work this time |
| 23:56.46 | Bb | from the start page I have them all, but when I press on the app menu then bookmarks to edit or delete any of them, the list there is empty |
| 23:57.30 | NuttyBunny | aaaaah, no, I don't know then :( |
| 23:58.25 | Bb | yeah, its a weird one, I was wondering if all of them were stored in a file or something that I can delete or modify |
| 23:58.47 | *** join/#webos-internals AStice (810f7f64@gateway/web/freenode/ip.129.15.127.100) |
| 23:58.59 | NuttyBunny | Gotta go! I don't want to be stuck in traffic, see ya later! |
| 23:59.09 | Bb | good luck |
| 23:59.24 | Bb | anyone else have any ideas? |