| 00:00.07 | SineOt | ah |
| 00:00.27 | SineOt | you know, skimming that, it's kind of dumb that the remote wipe via palm profile is sent via SMS |
| 00:00.42 | SineOt | if you report the device stolen and get it deactivated, there goes your remote wipe abilities |
| 00:01.12 | SineOt | (since, from the sound of things, the Exchange wipes simply require any kind of data connection, be it 3G or wifi) |
| 00:01.27 | scoutcamper | rwhitby, that could be bad to let out, someone says "hey let me borrow your phone" then its wiped |
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| 00:01.49 | SineOt | that's a realistically tiny chance though |
| 00:01.57 | scoutcamper | true |
| 00:02.26 | SineOt | they'd 1) have to know how to do it, 2) be malicious enough to do it (and at that point you'd probably know they were, so wtf to handing your phone over to them), 3) etc etc |
| 00:02.36 | scoutcamper | true |
| 00:02.57 | scoutcamper | but does that include wiping usb drve? |
| 00:02.57 | rwhitby | as soon as you have physical access to any device, all bets are off. |
| 00:03.03 | SineOt | still dumb either way that the Palm Profile remote wipe is done via SMS |
| 00:03.10 | SineOt | and not over any kind of data connection |
| 00:03.41 | scoutcamper | SineOt, it should be done with ESP, so that the criminals cannot just pull off the service |
| 00:03.43 | SineOt | a Palm Profile will log you out even if it's only got a wifi connection, won't it? |
| 00:03.47 | scoutcamper | or the sim card |
| 00:04.09 | SineOt | scoutcamper: yeah, but not everyone is just running an Exchange server to go and wipe their personal phones with |
| 00:04.23 | scoutcamper | SineOt, i meant esp as in telepathy :D |
| 00:04.34 | scoutcamper | but exchange works to d: |
| 00:04.39 | SineOt | Oh |
| 00:04.55 | SineOt | hah, well that's what I'm saying, just doing it over a data connection is better than doing it with SMS |
| 00:05.10 | SineOt | since wifi doesn't care if your device has a SIM or is activated on a network |
| 00:05.16 | scoutcamper | true |
| 00:06.24 | SineOt | an Exchange wipe will still wipe even without network support, since it just says that it needs an active data connection, while the Palm Profile wipe says it needs to be sent to an activated phone via SMS |
| 00:07.05 | SineOt | so you either wait up to 72 hours to report the phone stolen/lost to your carrier to get it deactivated while you wait for your data to wipe, or you get it killed then and leave all your data on it :/ |
| 00:07.15 | SineOt | neither of which is a very good situation for the end user |
| 00:07.59 | scoutcamper | its best to just not let your phone get stolen :D |
| 00:08.02 | SineOt | also, rwhitby: did you notice that the image showing you where to push the power button to do a wipe... shows the phone when it's slid open? |
| 00:08.56 | scoutcamper | SineOt, that makes sense because the keyboard has to be open to hold opt+sym |
| 00:09.08 | rwhitby | that's a grypo |
| 00:09.31 | SineOt | scoutcamper: the helpful arrow pointing where to push points to where the power button would be... if it was closed |
| 00:09.38 | scoutcamper | lol |
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| 00:46.49 | javispedro | rwhitby: mind if I PM you? |
| 00:48.54 | rwhitby | sure, but if it's a general question that others may learn from I prefer it to be in the channel |
| 00:49.06 | javispedro | it's not a question actually. |
| 00:49.18 | oil | is now intrigued |
| 00:51.33 | Clipper87 | lol oil |
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| 00:59.17 | Clipper87 | so I registered with this channel but when I log into it it doesn't ask for pw |
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| 01:01.16 | oil | you have to identify yourself with freenode |
| 01:01.42 | oil | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:01.45 | oil | or something like that |
| 01:05.47 | halfhalo | gets popcorn |
| 01:06.08 | PuffTheMagic | or |
| 01:06.10 | PuffTheMagic | on freenode |
| 01:06.25 | PuffTheMagic | u can pass your ns password to the sever as a server password |
| 01:06.41 | PuffTheMagic | and it with identify your nick at loging before processing any other commands from the client |
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| 01:19.33 | Clipper87 | * hey all |
| 01:19.45 | halfhalo | say whaaaaat? |
| 01:20.12 | raster | pants on |
| 01:20.28 | scoutcamper | is confused |
| 01:20.38 | halfhalo | it happens |
| 01:20.43 | Clipper87 | checks and he has his pants on |
| 01:22.43 | scoutcamper | slaps halfhalo with a large trout |
| 01:22.48 | scoutcamper | thats for confusing me |
| 01:23.04 | halfhalo | breaks scoutcampers legs. |
| 01:23.12 | halfhalo | thats because I'm crazy |
| 01:23.39 | scoutcamper | grabs a flamethrower and turns halfhalo into a pile of ashes |
| 01:23.46 | scoutcamper | becuase im mad :D |
| 01:23.56 | scoutcamper | and insane in he membrane |
| 01:24.42 | Clipper87 | launches a nuke and blows everyone up cause they are all insane |
| 01:25.07 | scoutcamper | retaliates against Clipper87 wth a nuetron bomb |
| 01:25.17 | scoutcamper | just ecause |
| 01:25.35 | Clipper87 | oh sh*t |
| 01:26.22 | Clipper87 | all this from my hey all haha |
| 01:28.19 | Clipper87 | so anyone play any games on these web Os phones? |
| 01:28.47 | scoutcamper | yes |
| 01:28.53 | scoutcamper | angry birds ftw! |
| 01:29.06 | Clipper87 | lol obviously |
| 01:29.18 | Clipper87 | if only it was free |
| 01:29.24 | scoutcamper | and sandstorm, nova's good too |
| 01:30.30 | Clipper87 | I'm new to pre I actually have the pre 2 |
| 01:30.34 | scoutcamper | :D |
| 01:30.54 | scoutcamper | you should go get a pre- to see what those of use early people had to go through |
| 01:31.10 | Clipper87 | any good free games in prepared or app catelog? |
| 01:31.11 | scoutcamper | and wait 6 months then get a pre+ |
| 01:31.25 | scoutcamper | non that ive seen or liked |
| 01:31.32 | scoutcamper | s/non/none |
| 01:31.36 | Clipper87 | lol sucks |
| 01:31.38 | SineOt | I like Pixelated. |
| 01:31.41 | SineOt | Chained is fun too. |
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| 01:31.49 | SineOt | But just pay the 1.99 to get Angry Birds. :p |
| 01:32.05 | Clipper87 | lol |
| 01:32.25 | scoutcamper | Clipper87, it is seriously the best game for webos |
| 01:32.37 | Clipper87 | do ya have to use credit card or is there other payment methods? |
| 01:33.57 | scoutcamper | i think credit card is it |
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| 01:35.46 | SineOt | Although in this day and age, they aren't exactly hard to get. If you live in the US, just go to CVS with a government issued ID and you can get a prepaid Visa Card. |
| 01:35.49 | SineOt | Similar in Canada. |
| 01:36.16 | SineOt | And if you're in the US and have a debit card, most of them with a Visa or Mastercard logo can be used as credit cards. |
| 01:36.20 | basotl | I also like Quake on WebOS. |
| 01:37.47 | Clipper87 | ya I'm in canada you can get cc anywhere |
| 01:38.30 | SineOt | it's dumb that a Canadian debit card can't get run as credit :/ |
| 01:38.44 | SineOt | (it's dumber trying to explain that to little old ladies running stores in Canada) |
| 01:39.02 | Clipper87 | lol hahahaha |
| 01:39.19 | SineOt | NO DEBIT! Lady, it's a US card. Just run it as a Visa already would you ;_; |
| 01:39.42 | Clipper87 | ahahaha |
| 01:40.06 | Clipper87 | ya we seem a little behind when it comes to that stuff up here |
| 01:41.37 | SineOt | but yeah pretty sure it's Credit only |
| 01:41.40 | SineOt | for buying apps |
| 01:41.46 | SineOt | but Angry Birds is totally worth it |
| 01:43.20 | Clipper87 | ya I gotta go pick up a prepaid card |
| 01:43.45 | Clipper87 | and I agree angry bird is amazing |
| 01:46.14 | Clipper87 | so I take it you come to canada some then? |
| 01:54.37 | SineOt | Yeah, a while back. Was a fun trip |
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| 02:10.27 | l3lu3 | hey all |
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| 02:16.04 | halfhalo | feels like trying to make a patch |
| 02:16.41 | PuffTheMagic | when you all log into the palm profile webpage |
| 02:16.54 | PuffTheMagic | does the phone number attached to your devices start with a 1? |
| 02:16.58 | PuffTheMagic | or is that left off |
| 02:17.18 | halfhalo | should be 1 since It should handle other contries as well |
| 02:19.12 | PuffTheMagic | u just guessing? |
| 02:19.19 | halfhalo | yes |
| 02:19.25 | PuffTheMagic | cause its only has 1 for one of my devices |
| 02:19.30 | halfhalo | but I seem to recall the 1 |
| 02:19.31 | PuffTheMagic | the rest dont include the 1 |
| 02:23.30 | Clipper87 | mine starts with one |
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| 03:00.02 | scoutcamper | turns halfhalo into a mime for not making an interesting conversation and being quiet |
| 03:00.17 | halfhalo | ... |
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| 04:26.58 | Davide-NYC | Question: We anywhere nearer on getting webos2.0 onto a Pre+-? |
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| 04:28.58 | scoutcamper | Davide-NYC, nope |
| 04:30.12 | Davide-NYC | bummer. any rumors on an official doctor release? |
| 04:34.03 | scoutcamper | none that ive seen |
| 04:34.30 | scoutcamper | de-mimes halfhalo in order to get some good topics to talk about :D |
| 04:34.49 | halfhalo | stabs scoutcamper in the jaw |
| 04:39.10 | scoutcamper | nuetron bobs halfhalo |
| 04:40.49 | scoutcamper | s\bobs\bombs |
| 04:41.04 | scoutcamper | feels hated by infobot |
| 04:41.07 | scoutcamper | :( |
| 04:41.11 | scoutcamper | ~botsmack |
| 04:41.12 | infobot | OWW! |
| 04:42.25 | dgathright | Tips on where I can find documentation on how to swap the boards in my - & + to make a Sprint Pre+? |
| 04:42.50 | scoutcamper | dgathright, precentral |
| 04:42.56 | scoutcamper | let me find that link |
| 04:43.25 | scoutcamper | dgathright, http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre-tips-information-resources/259077-pre-plus-sprint-step-step-conversion-guide.html |
| 04:43.41 | dgathright | grazie |
| 04:48.31 | rwhitby | g'day dgathright |
| 04:50.36 | dgathright | Howdy |
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| 05:29.11 | halfhalo | ~botsnack |
| 05:29.11 | infobot | aw, gee, halfhalo |
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| 06:01.14 | cwgtex | who do i need to talk to to get a new easter egg added to the wiki? |
| 06:03.12 | cwgtex | there is a way to make cows rain down the screen in the email app in webos 2.0.1 that i found just now |
| 06:03.26 | SineOt | ahaha |
| 06:03.27 | SineOt | how? |
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| 06:05.14 | scoutcamper | cwgtex, how? anyone with an account can make an edit |
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| 06:06.55 | rwhitby | cwgtex: you mean the "supercowpowers" one? |
| 06:07.42 | scoutcamper | rwhitby, what? |
| 06:08.02 | scoutcamper | how do you do that? |
| 06:08.10 | cwgtex | yes supercowpower |
| 06:08.27 | cwgtex | dangit rwhitby you mean i wasn't the first one to find it? |
| 06:08.47 | halfhalo | lulz |
| 06:09.43 | cwgtex | for everyone else that doesn't know what we are talking about, just send yourself and email with the subject "supercowpowers" without the quotes, and open it on your Pre2 |
| 06:10.07 | scoutcamper | goes to try that |
| 06:10.08 | cwgtex | its not on 1.4.5, just 2.0 |
| 06:11.35 | scoutcamper | LOLS! |
| 06:12.08 | halfhalo | p|c has tweeted it |
| 06:13.57 | rwhitby | cwgtex: you were first - I was just messing with you (I found it in the 2 minutes between those two messages) |
| 06:15.34 | cwgtex | haha you got me good rod |
| 06:15.56 | cwgtex | so then i can edit the wiki and give myself credit for the find? |
| 06:17.10 | rwhitby | yep |
| 06:17.13 | rwhitby | it's a wiki |
| 06:18.23 | cwgtex | ok i meant the giving myself credit part |
| 06:18.36 | cwgtex | i don't want to claim it if someone else actually found it first |
| 06:21.08 | rwhitby | cwgtex: claim it, it's yours. |
| 06:25.48 | oil | credit is serious business |
| 06:26.28 | halfhalo | yupyup |
| 06:26.29 | cwgtex | i must say i am proud of myself, here i am studying the email app to learn about scenes and controllers so that i can develop apps, and i find an easter egg |
| 06:27.00 | oil | email app is pretty complicated, probably not the best one to learn from :) |
| 06:27.47 | halfhalo | unless you want to go crazy. |
| 06:29.37 | cwgtex | well i was both learning and seeing if i can update the landscape email patch, thats why i was in that one |
| 06:29.44 | oil | ah |
| 06:30.12 | cwgtex | and yeah i do believe the email app was pretty complicated, i just happened to look in the images folder first and was shocked to see a cow |
| 06:30.34 | cwgtex | so of course i greped the whole dang folder for "cow.png" |
| 06:31.17 | oil | lol |
| 06:31.37 | cwgtex | wiki edit is done |
| 06:31.45 | cwgtex | and precentral thread too |
| 06:33.28 | cwgtex | rwhitby: thanks for screenshoting that for me in the thread |
| 06:33.38 | cwgtex | *screenshooting |
| 06:33.58 | rwhitby | it stopped some idiot saying "pics or it didn't happen" ;) |
| 06:34.11 | oil | lol |
| 06:37.40 | cwgtex | i can't wait for people i actually know to get a pre2 (at my urging of course) so i can send them an email |
| 06:38.13 | cwgtex | i can only imagine the look on there face when the cows start falling |
| 06:38.38 | oil | a recieved email with the subject supercowpowers triggers it? |
| 06:38.59 | cwgtex | or hell just for the carriers to release 2.0 to the people i know with regular pre's |
| 06:39.04 | oil | its not typed in like the rocknroll one? |
| 06:39.14 | SineOt | oil: yeah |
| 06:39.15 | halfhalo | nope |
| 06:39.17 | cwgtex | oil: yes, i had to send myself an email with that subject |
| 06:39.27 | oil | prefixes all future emails to rwhitby with supercowpowers |
| 06:39.52 | halfhalo | hahahaha |
| 06:40.20 | halfhalo | rigs up a php patch and a rails patch for mediawiki and redmine for cows |
| 06:41.08 | cwgtex | this is the line that gave it away: if (subject === "supercowpowers") |
| 06:42.04 | cwgtex | first i tried just typing that in a new message, but no luck, so i sent it to myself, and BAM its raining cows |
| 06:42.27 | oil | lol |
| 06:42.36 | oil | i hope emails from palm start using it xD |
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| 06:48.28 | cwgtex | there is also a neat comment in the message-scene.html file: http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=2788266&posted=1#post2788266 |
| 06:59.13 | oil | haha |
| 07:12.05 | scoutcamper | rwhitby, oil's photoshop of you on precentral http://i54.tinypic.com/335e05f.png |
| 07:12.14 | oil | haha |
| 07:12.44 | halfhalo | hahahaha |
| 07:12.55 | oil | cracks himself up |
| 07:14.02 | rwhitby | nice |
| 07:14.53 | cwgtex | hahahaha |
| 07:15.12 | ka6sox | okay oil, you have outdone yourself this time. |
| 07:15.48 | rwhitby | oil: it would have had more impact inline though :) |
| 07:16.28 | ka6sox | sees oil edit the post |
| 07:17.33 | oil | ah, thats too easy |
| 07:17.41 | oil | making them click it is a surprise :) |
| 07:18.25 | rwhitby | I've just gotten word that supercowpowers is spreading like an email virus through Palm right now |
| 07:18.38 | halfhalo | hahahahaha |
| 07:18.38 | oil | HAHA |
| 07:19.03 | oil | lets hope they dont fogure out who it was so more eastereggs can be secretly added |
| 07:19.44 | oil | s/fogure/figure/ |
| 07:20.02 | halfhalo | Its an easter egg, i think they support it |
| 07:20.30 | bhuey | folks |
| 07:20.42 | oil | thats us, we're folk |
| 07:21.03 | bhuey | it ws my way of saying 'howdy' |
| 07:21.25 | halfhalo | except for... herm... |
| 07:21.30 | oil | lol |
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| 07:57.05 | destinal-sleep | ~seen JackieRipper |
| 07:57.11 | infobot | jackieripper <~JackieRip@cpe-67-246-22-153.nycap.res.rr.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #webos-internals, 188d 3h 35m 27s ago, saying: 'good morning'. |
| 07:58.43 | oil | 188 days ago :( |
| 08:01.20 | halfhalo | lol |
| 08:07.31 | destinal-sleep | halfhalo: I thought JackieRipper might like to know the optware-bootstrap script he started just got new life on android :) |
| 08:12.41 | ka6sox | android-optware FTW |
| 08:13.35 | ka6sox | hands it to halfhalo to put on his epic 4g |
| 08:15.29 | torchie | optware on android wut |
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| 12:07.39 | GarthPS | morphis: heyho |
| 12:07.58 | morphis | GarthPS: heyho |
| 12:09.38 | GarthPS | morphis: I am here all the day and evening if you need me |
| 12:09.55 | morphis | GarthPS: ok |
| 12:10.14 | morphis | GarthPS: the problem actually is, that the kernel from palmpre/master-next branch does not boot on my palm pre |
| 12:10.35 | GarthPS | morphis: yop i read that |
| 12:10.41 | morphis | GarthPS: so I have to bisect the branch and try to find the point in time where something went wrong |
| 12:11.08 | GarthPS | morphis: what is weird is that it has already work right ? |
| 12:11.49 | morphis | GarthPS: it worked before without the webos 2.0 patch for the kernel |
| 12:11.56 | morphis | GarthPS: it works well with the 1.4.5 patch |
| 12:12.11 | morphis | GarthPS: but the 2.0 patches change a lot of things to support even omap 3630 |
| 12:12.48 | GarthPS | morphis: ok so what changed is add patches from webos 2 right ? |
| 12:13.12 | morphis | jepp |
| 12:13.18 | GarthPS | morphis: oh so It could support both SOC with the same kernel ? |
| 12:13.36 | morphis | it does |
| 12:14.17 | GarthPS | morphis: so should not be needed anymore to make a palmpre2 specific kernel? |
| 12:14.37 | morphis | we need to do so |
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| 12:15.16 | morphis | as the difference between palmpre and palmpre2 is there, you just need to enable CONFIG_OMAP3630 to get support for the palmpre2 in the same kernel |
| 12:15.29 | morphis | without it does not support the palmpre2, just the palmpre |
| 12:15.42 | morphis | so you need different defconfigs and with that you have different binaries |
| 12:15.53 | morphis | and even different kernels in OE |
| 12:16.07 | GarthPS | morphis: oh yeah ok |
| 12:16.37 | GarthPS | so to MACHINE profile but not much different |
| 12:16.54 | morphis | jepp |
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| 12:26.39 | damada | Hi, I am trying to restore the PDFviewer application with the WebOSRepairUtility.jar. I am using an Ubuntu VM and it seems I can connect nicely to the phone. Yet, after selecting webOSDoctor.jar, which I downloaded with that very tool, I get an error: ERROR: WebOS.tar.gz (Permission denied) |
| 12:26.49 | damada | I have no clue how to proceed? |
| 12:27.35 | damada | after clicking OK, another error pops up: ERROR 22: WebOS.tar.gz (no such file or directory) |
| 12:27.59 | damada | where do I get this tarball from? Do I have to extract it from the doctor jar? |
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| 12:39.59 | GarthPS | rwhitby: Hello. I want te see what it does if i install actualy ipks build from oe into my pre 2. what do i have to use ipkg or ipkg-opt ? what the diff?thx |
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| 12:46.22 | jack__ | hi' |
| 12:46.51 | jack__ | to install preware they say run webos install |
| 12:47.03 | jack__ | how i do that? |
| 12:47.35 | GarthPS | jack__: you mean webos quick install right ? |
| 12:47.43 | jack__ | yes |
| 12:48.33 | GarthPS | jack__: http://forums.precentral.net/canuck-coding/194832-webos-quick-install.html |
| 12:50.02 | GarthPS | jack__: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Tutorials_webOS_Installing_An_Ipk#WebOS_Quick_Install_Method |
| 12:50.58 | jack__ | ok |
| 12:51.02 | jack__ | .jar |
| 12:51.12 | jack__ | i open it on my computer or my phone? |
| 12:52.10 | GarthPS | jack__: in your opinion ? :) |
| 12:52.34 | GarthPS | I want te see what it does if i install actualy ipks build from oe into my pre 2. what do i have to use ipkg or ipkg-opt ? what the diff?thx |
| 12:52.48 | jack__ | on my computer with java |
| 12:53.02 | jack__ | :P |
| 12:58.06 | rwhitby-pre | GarthPS: you are on your own trying to install ipks from OE onto vendor firmware. |
| 12:58.38 | rwhitby-pre | You will get major collisions as you will be writing (and perhaps overwriting) system files. |
| 12:59.03 | rwhitby-pre | So if you have to ask about it, then you don't have the experience to do it safely. |
| 12:59.28 | rwhitby-pre | You can expect to lose any data and have to doctor afterwards. |
| 12:59.29 | GarthPS | rwhitby-pre: yeah i know :) I just want to know the diff betwenn ipkg and ipkg-opt |
| 12:59.43 | rwhitby-pre | ipk-opt installs in /opt |
| 13:00.22 | rwhitby-pre | read the Optware pages on nslu2-linux.org |
| 13:01.16 | GarthPS | rwhitby-pre: ok thx |
| 13:01.58 | rwhitby-pre | morphis: The kernel patch for 2.0.0 on opensource.palm.com is for Pre 2 only. It is not for 3430 Pre. |
| 13:02.28 | rwhitby-pre | The 2.0 kernel for Pre is not yet released. |
| 13:02.47 | rwhitby-pre | bbt |
| 13:03.12 | GarthPS | morphis: :) |
| 13:10.38 | damada | ah, found the cause: I had no write access to the shared folder in my VM... needed to mount it with the corresponding uid/gid |
| 13:10.54 | damada | seems it's working now, at least it scans |
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| 13:24.18 | l3lu3 | hey all |
| 13:33.30 | damada | what's the file which corresponds to the PDFviewer application? Where can I find it in the extracted WebOS tarball so that I can restore it which the webOSRepair utility? |
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| 13:37.17 | damada | is it enough to restore just everything with *pdf* from the tarball back to the device? |
| 13:46.14 | morphis | rwhitby-pre: sure about that? |
| 13:46.30 | morphis | rwhitby-pre: as it includes all stuff for the palm pre? |
| 13:48.58 | morphis | rwhitby-pre: as opensource.palm.com tells it the source for the pre device |
| 13:49.20 | morphis | rwhitby-pre: "Linux Kernel (pre) " |
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| 14:52.10 | egaudet | the 2.0 kernel patch needs some changes to build for omap 3430 but I've booted it on my Pre |
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| 15:47.06 | jhojho | can someone identify what the handset with the right arrow means? http://twitpic.com/3e2nn5 |
| 15:47.30 | en0x | gsm? |
| 15:51.42 | jhojho | yes its gsm |
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| 15:58.33 | egaudet | jhojho: is that missed call? |
| 15:58.47 | jhojho | well |
| 15:58.47 | jhojho | c |
| 15:58.48 | jhojho | a |
| 15:58.48 | jhojho | n |
| 15:58.48 | jhojho | t |
| 15:58.51 | jhojho | oops |
| 15:58.52 | egaudet | lol |
| 15:58.53 | jhojho | cant be |
| 15:58.56 | egaudet | no service? |
| 15:58.58 | jhojho | since its in the device menu |
| 15:59.03 | jhojho | it's a data only sim |
| 15:59.09 | jhojho | but the icon only showed up today |
| 15:59.13 | en0x | egaudet: well gsm shows missed calls in top bar? since when? |
| 15:59.14 | jhojho | not yesterday |
| 15:59.16 | egaudet | look for the symbol in the rootfs |
| 15:59.27 | en0x | i think it's a call forwarding |
| 15:59.27 | egaudet | and check the name of the file |
| 15:59.27 | en0x | ;] |
| 15:59.38 | egaudet | call forwarding enabled hmm |
| 15:59.42 | egaudet | makes sense |
| 16:00.09 | en0x | go to phone app/preferences and see if u have it enabled |
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| 16:00.39 | en0x | anyway i'm moving to epic from my pre |
| 16:00.57 | en0x | he pre is barely usable now after year and a half... too many cracks etc :( |
| 16:02.19 | egaudet | donate it :D |
| 16:02.57 | torchie | to me!!!! |
| 16:03.04 | torchie | pre #5 |
| 16:03.20 | torchie | well wait -- does the speaker work |
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| 16:03.36 | halfhalo | votes donate as well |
| 16:05.01 | halfhalo | but then again, I'm probly not the best person to ask since I have a pre plus and minus just sitting on my desk at home |
| 16:05.26 | halfhalo | knows the date he is moving back to webos fron epic 4g |
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| 16:09.33 | cwgtex | Anyone have an idea what "contact reminders" could mean? I found a section of the email app that says: /* TODO: Uncomment this once we reimplement contact reminders |
| 16:09.43 | cwgtex | in 2.0.1 |
| 16:11.36 | cwgtex | line 1157 in compose-assistant.js |
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| 16:24.23 | torchie | sounds badass |
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| 16:39.37 | halfhalo | is tempted to replace wIRC's alias stuff with a smaller/cleaner way |
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| 17:16.09 | ka6sox | morphis, the userland in the pre doesn't match the userland in the pre2 so I am sure. |
| 17:16.33 | ka6sox | if it were just that simple then we would all be doin it |
| 17:16.42 | morphis | ka6sox: thats ok, but the kernel source should be still the mostly the same for pre and pre2 |
| 17:17.40 | ka6sox | 99.9% probaby...but that 0.1%...oh what a difference it makes. |
| 17:18.35 | morphis | there are config constraints for the pre2 in the kernel sources |
| 17:18.39 | morphis | so it should be no problem |
| 17:18.47 | ka6sox | eg: temp sensor code for a pre-/+ has a hard coded call to bit(8) of a register...but in a pre(2) its bit(9) |
| 17:18.57 | ka6sox | so it FAILED to run. |
| 17:19.31 | halfhalo | and then it was used to cook bacon.... |
| 17:20.00 | ka6sox | yes, I had a Lettuce Mutton and tomato sandwich made on it. |
| 17:20.19 | halfhalo | I went with a classic BLT myself |
| 17:20.53 | Rick_work | Wow. |
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| 17:21.45 | halfhalo | hands Rick_work a samich |
| 17:24.30 | morphis | ka6sox: but the temp sensor code is from webos-internals right? |
| 17:24.39 | morphis | ka6sox: as I am using the plain sources from palm |
| 17:24.59 | ka6sox | morphis, no, it was backported from 2.6.32 for the Pre-/+ |
| 17:25.09 | ka6sox | and we ported it to the pre2 |
| 17:25.09 | morphis | or this wa |
| 17:25.10 | morphis | y |
| 17:25.16 | morphis | but it is not from Palm |
| 17:25.24 | ka6sox | thats NOT the issue |
| 17:25.31 | destinal | morphis: which test pads are you looking at / where? |
| 17:25.36 | ka6sox | the issue is that 1 bit changes whether it works or not. |
| 17:25.42 | morphis | destinal: below the battery |
| 17:25.53 | morphis | http://amethyst.openembedded.net/~morphis/palmpre_testpads.jpg |
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| 17:26.02 | morphis | http://amethyst.openembedded.net/~morphis/palmpre_testpads_paper.jpg |
| 17:26.10 | egaudet | the 2.0 kernel source boots on the pre with 3430 config and minor patch to add missing 3630 ifdef's |
| 17:26.21 | egaudet | not sure if that was the original question or not |
| 17:26.28 | ka6sox | but the userland doesn't match that right? |
| 17:26.42 | egaudet | not sure what you mean? |
| 17:27.02 | egaudet | the modules |
| 17:27.27 | destinal | morphis: ah nice, I guess the must use a bed of nails on that |
| 17:28.03 | egaudet | I can't remember if the modules work or not, I did so many different combinations it's fuzzy now |
| 17:28.56 | destinal | morphis: I've heard geist mentioning that if a unit was bad they could give it to others who would tear it down and break everything out, looks like they probably just connect there. |
| 17:28.57 | ka6sox | I can replace the 2.6.24-3430-joplin with a 2.6.35 and it will BOOT...but the user apps will NOT be able to use it. |
| 17:28.58 | morphis | destinal: jepp it is |
| 17:29.14 | morphis | destinal: GND I already fond |
| 17:29.26 | morphis | ka6sox: you can replace with 2.6.35? |
| 17:29.48 | egaudet | ka6sox: but we're replacing 2.6.24 with 2.6.24 |
| 17:31.03 | egaudet | are any big changes from 1.4.5 to 2.0.0 kernel patch for 3430? |
| 17:32.40 | ka6sox | egaudet, there is NO 3430 pre-/+ kernel |
| 17:32.50 | ka6sox | only a pre2 3630 kernel |
| 17:32.56 | egaudet | huh? |
| 17:33.21 | ka6sox | 2.0 has only been released on 1 machine |
| 17:33.24 | ka6sox | pre2..period |
| 17:33.31 | egaudet | not period, the 3430 stuff is all in there |
| 17:33.40 | morphis | ka6sox: you have a running 2.6.35 kernel for the pre? |
| 17:33.43 | egaudet | i've built a 3430 kernel with 2.0 kernel patch and luna boots |
| 17:33.59 | egaudet | it just requires a small patch to fix some missing 3630 ifdef's |
| 17:33.59 | ka6sox | egaudet, I agree, you have but officially there isn't one |
| 17:34.19 | egaudet | well yeah but I don't think that's a big deal, pre +/- kernel isn't likely to change much |
| 17:34.44 | ka6sox | morphis it was a wild example of how you *can* build a kernel that will "boot" but not be functional. |
| 17:34.50 | morphis | ah ok |
| 17:34.51 | egaudet | the userland and graphics module are what we need for 2.0 on pre -/+ |
| 17:35.13 | ka6sox | egaudet, my point exactly :D |
| 17:35.22 | egaudet | sorry didn't have context of the whole convo lol |
| 17:35.43 | ka6sox | just because you *can* build a pre2 kernel doesnt' mean the userland stuff will work. |
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| 17:35.59 | egaudet | you can't build a pre2 kernel and expect it to run on pre |
| 17:36.33 | egaudet | they didn't release a pre2 kernel, they released a webos-2.0 kernel, which as of today yes is only running on pre2, but the kernel is fine for pre -/+ and webos-1.4.5 |
| 17:37.56 | ka6sox | egaudet, ah, good to know...but building a webos2.0 kernel doesn't automagically make a pre-/+ run webos2.0 |
| 17:38.11 | egaudet | right, there's a lot more unsolved mysteries there |
| 17:38.53 | egaudet | which I mainly believe to be differences between the 2 PVR revisions, but hopefully Palm releases 2.0 for old hardware soon |
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| 17:43.21 | Clipper87 | sup all? |
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| 18:07.25 | phil_bw | wait for it... |
| 18:07.30 | phil_bw | wanders by |
| 18:08.30 | DaDirtyPanda | damn i missed it |
| 18:11.44 | phil_bw | how goes it? |
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| 18:13.40 | jhojho | well the pre2 kernel seems to have working smartreflex |
| 18:13.50 | jhojho | so thats one change right there |
| 18:14.11 | jhojho | the other i can think of off the top of my head is ondemandtcl |
| 18:14.35 | jhojho | so there are some differences despite it being the same kernel version etc. |
| 18:14.36 | ka6sox | jhojho guess they learned from the pixi eh? |
| 18:14.42 | jhojho | probably |
| 18:14.51 | jhojho | i have not looked closely at pre2 kernel code at all |
| 18:15.06 | jhojho | now back to trying to decipher this http://twitpic.com/3e2nn5 |
| 18:15.15 | jhojho | it's not call forwarding as i just checked |
| 18:15.21 | jhojho | the prefs |
| 18:15.25 | destinal | morphis_: do you have to remove a shield to get to those pads? |
| 18:15.31 | jhojho | besides it's a data only sim so no calls |
| 18:16.33 | jhojho | ti announces omap4440 |
| 18:16.35 | jhojho | http://www.bgr.com/2010/12/08/texas-instrument-announces-dual-core-omap4440-1-5ghz-1080p-stereoscopic-3d/ |
| 18:16.58 | jhojho | 1080p 3d?!?! |
| 18:17.00 | jhojho | damn |
| 18:17.05 | halfhalo | noice |
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| 18:23.34 | destinal | morphis_: on the CDMA version the small shield that peels off has the same top two rows of pins and "CDMA" is silkscreened onto the board above the pins on the side closest to the battery, in that area on the top of yourse without pads |
| 18:23.56 | egaudet | jhojho: but it's all wrapped in 3630 ifdef I believe, I don't think there's much kernel change for 3430 config though but didn't do any large comparisions |
| 18:24.07 | morphis_ | destinal: you have a picture about it? |
| 18:24.13 | destinal | morphis_: sec |
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| 18:46.17 | destinal | morphis_: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/File:CDMA-castle-testpad-lg.jpg |
| 18:46.43 | morphis_ | destinal: ah ok |
| 18:46.47 | destinal | morphis_: I don't seem to have access to the bottom row or it isn't there |
| 18:46.53 | morphis_ | ok |
| 18:47.12 | destinal | was it just a plastic rectangle glued on there for you too? |
| 18:47.23 | morphis_ | but I thing the pins should be the same |
| 18:47.28 | morphis_ | no |
| 18:47.40 | morphis_ | I don't changed anything on the device |
| 18:47.49 | morphis_ | the picture shows it as it is |
| 18:47.56 | destinal | morphis_: ah the CDMa has a small cover piece you have to peel away |
| 18:48.14 | destinal | you can kind of see it on the meal part below though it blends in |
| 18:48.20 | destinal | s/meal/metal/ |
| 18:48.41 | halfhalo | ok, I officially hate this wifi |
| 18:48.53 | halfhalo | it did not send my last two irc messages and died due to speedtest |
| 18:49.12 | morphis_ | destinal: ok |
| 18:49.27 | halfhalo | slaps destinal for taking the picture with an iphone 4 |
| 18:49.30 | destinal | morphis_: I suppose in later revs they figured there was no point hiding it, or you got a remanufactured device? |
| 18:49.47 | halfhalo | can check on a launchday pre |
| 18:50.29 | halfhalo | well, when I get home I can. It should still be dissasembled |
| 18:50.36 | destinal | halfhalo: you want me to use my other pre to take a really blurry picture? |
| 18:50.37 | destinal | :P |
| 18:51.13 | halfhalo | make it a fingerpaint drawing for all I care, just not iphone 4 pics! |
| 18:51.33 | morphis_ | destinal: I don't think so but I have the GSM version and I have one device from the first it was sold here in germany and one I buyed some weeks ago |
| 18:51.37 | morphis_ | and both are the same |
| 18:51.56 | destinal | morphis_: interesting |
| 18:52.02 | halfhalo | has a devdays plus he can check as well |
| 18:52.39 | destinal | morphis_: do you see what I mean about the plastic cover piece? I didn't realize it came off at first |
| 18:53.11 | destinal | I should have made it easier to see |
| 18:53.51 | destinal | it's glued on but peels off easily enough |
| 18:54.21 | destinal | you have to peel back the paper sticker thing first |
| 18:54.59 | destinal | (it makes kind of a "U" shape on this device) |
| 18:55.21 | PuffTheMagic | morphis_, do u have a cdma device now? |
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| 18:55.28 | morphis_ | PuffTheMagic: no |
| 18:56.33 | PuffTheMagic | let me know when u want access to one of mine |
| 18:57.44 | morphis_ | PuffTheMagic: will do |
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| 18:58.03 | morphis_ | destinal: you mean the black sticker below the battery? |
| 18:59.48 | destinal | morphis_: this particular pre had been through the wash, so I peeled the whole sticker off the shield, but yeah on a normal device the black sticker covers the whield all the way up to the battery compartment on left and right sides with a gap for the touchstone back pins and that square sticker over traces to the battery |
| 19:00.13 | morphis_ | ah ok |
| 19:00.17 | destinal | so it also covers the plastic rectangle that's glued over the test pins |
| 19:00.18 | egaudet | any lvm experts know what /dev/sda: Skipping (sysfs) means when vgscan? |
| 19:00.29 | destinal | looks like a "U" |
| 19:00.44 | halfhalo | its skipping /dev/sda? :p |
| 19:00.59 | morphis_ | destinal: exactly |
| 19:01.05 | destinal | s/test pins/test pads/ |
| 19:01.10 | morphis_ | the U is the sim slot |
| 19:02.19 | destinal | oh you mean inside the u shape and directly under the battery? I just have a sticker there covering three wide traces that go to battery |
| 19:03.09 | destinal | on the picture do you see the black rectangle dead center ride under battery? |
| 19:03.14 | destinal | is that where SIM slot is? |
| 19:03.29 | destinal | or oh you mean to the left, the metal U |
| 19:04.18 | destinal | I pried that open and have two antenna wires it seems |
| 19:05.51 | destinal | morphis_: you should take a more clear picture of the entire back of the GSM pre |
| 19:07.13 | morphis_ | destinal: I now and will do that when I have a better camera |
| 19:07.53 | morphis_ | destinal: sim slot is on the right side below the testpads right after the battery slot |
| 19:08.37 | morphis_ | so I have to leave |
| 19:08.38 | morphis_ | cya |
| 19:08.43 | destinal | ah that would be why not covered maybe |
| 19:08.47 | destinal | morphis_: cool, ttyl |
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| 19:31.49 | destinal | am I the only one who thinks it would be cool to salvage a pre with a dead screen, figure out VGA for it and put it in a mini-itx case? |
| 19:32.13 | destinal | still need that usb host mode.. hmm |
| 19:33.03 | oil | how would you interface with it though? |
| 19:33.57 | Loudergood | same way as a nook, you'd have use vnc ;) |
| 19:34.00 | halfhalo | magic! |
| 19:34.19 | destinal | oil: with yet to be written TUIO hidd plugin |
| 19:34.30 | destinal | oil: or just run linux on it |
| 19:34.35 | oil | ah |
| 19:35.14 | oil | wouldn't you get a better experience with a mini-itx mobo with a >500mhz proc in your mini-itx case? |
| 19:35.24 | oil | lol |
| 19:35.52 | destinal | oil: uh, yeah, but just plugging off the shelf stuff together isn't as fun :) |
| 19:35.59 | oil | true |
| 19:36.25 | destinal | and also this would be an ARM dev board which has its uses |
| 19:37.18 | destinal | I guess you could even keep a SIM card in it and use it for some kind of telephony system :) |
| 19:37.24 | oil | yeah |
| 19:37.38 | oil | it does have parts an off-the-shelf mobo wouldnt :) |
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| 19:56.26 | Clipper87 | hey everyone I'm tryin to enable my on screen keyboard on my pre 2 but can seem to get to the luna.conf file thru the command line |
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| 19:57.38 | Clipper87 | any insight? |
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| 20:01.28 | Clipper87 | sineot I'm tryin to enable my on screen keyboard on my pre 2 but can seem to get to the luna.conf file thru the command line |
| 20:01.42 | Clipper87 | any insight? |
| 20:02.19 | SineOt | you've got the SDK installed, yeah? |
| 20:04.12 | Clipper87 | 2.0 sdk no I don't I'm not a developer |
| 20:05.01 | SineOt | do you have Novacom from the SFR 2.0 doctor installed? |
| 20:05.14 | Clipper87 | yup |
| 20:05.35 | Clipper87 | I can install apps thru webos quick install |
| 20:08.23 | SineOt | how are you trying to get the file off the phone? |
| 20:08.59 | Clipper87 | I'm trying to edit it I guess |
| 20:09.20 | SineOt | so you're running novaterm? |
| 20:09.23 | SineOt | then using say, vi? |
| 20:10.03 | SineOt | I'd try using novacom get <file> instead |
| 20:10.08 | SineOt | so you can edit it on your computer |
| 20:10.27 | Clipper87 | can this be done on windows? |
| 20:10.44 | Clipper87 | cause I can't get linux to pick up my phone |
| 20:11.02 | SineOt | yeah |
| 20:11.13 | SineOt | but I don't know how, never done it on windows |
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| 20:12.25 | egaudet | destinal: I would love to salvage a pre into a network media player connected to my TV :P |
| 20:13.50 | SineOt | how would you get video out? P: |
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| 20:15.39 | destinal | SineOt: you'd have to build a circuit that talks to the omap3's lcd output and renders it usable as DVI-D or something. or other pins on the omap3, beagleboard might be a good example since they have DVI out |
| 20:16.02 | SineOt | sounds... overly complex! |
| 20:16.30 | destinal | SineOt: embedded systems hacking aint building a PC by plugging stuff into a motherboard, sonny |
| 20:16.32 | destinal | :P |
| 20:17.10 | SineOt | no, but doing all that work to get a device that can't do HD video playback hooked up to a TV doesn't sound like much fun either P: |
| 20:17.13 | Clipper87 | sineot would having the older sdk work ? or do I need 2.0 |
| 20:17.28 | destinal | SineOt: what makes you think it can't do HD video playback? |
| 20:17.51 | SineOt | if it's a Pre 2, you either need the 2.0 SDK from the EAP, or you need the Windows/Mac only Novacom from the SFR 2.0 doctor. |
| 20:18.21 | SineOt | destinal: uh, probably the fact that it refuses to play anything higher than 640x480 and only supports H264 basic profile? P: |
| 20:18.55 | destinal | nothing a little software can't handle |
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| 20:19.27 | SineOt | doesn't the Pre do H264 decoding in hardware? |
| 20:19.40 | egaudet | destinal: XBMC netbooting onto salvaged pre, wahoo can't wait |
| 20:19.49 | egaudet | some day, it's happening I don't care how long it takes me |
| 20:20.43 | destinal | egaudet: people already have XBMC working on beagleboard in ubuntu-ARM or something, so shouldn't be that hard from there |
| 20:21.39 | destinal | getting video out is probably trickies |
| 20:21.43 | destinal | t |
| 20:22.07 | SineOt | I don't know how OMAP3 handles video decoding |
| 20:22.21 | egaudet | destinal: how tricky are we talking? |
| 20:23.06 | egaudet | I'm still really noob to hardware hacking but say simplest would be soldering an hdmi socket to some pins? pads? |
| 20:23.26 | destinal | egaudet: don't know, hoping to play with it if I ever get a donated device to open up. I can't bring myself to do it to a fully functional device |
| 20:25.06 | egaudet | make a precentral post or something for salvaging/donating devices, I'm sure there are at least a few people with devices that they eventually just throw out or give away |
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| 20:30.18 | swisstomcat | morning chuqui |
| 20:31.20 | ka6sox | afternoon swisstomcat |
| 20:31.29 | swisstomcat | hey ka6sox |
| 20:31.46 | ka6sox | swiss you like php programming? |
| 20:32.09 | chuqui | hey! |
| 20:36.15 | swisstomcat | ka6sox: i wouldn't say like .. but i know php :) |
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| 20:39.25 | matsimoto | Hi, when installing an ipkg-file from a ssh shell, how do I get the icon displayed in the launcher ? |
| 20:39.26 | oil | lol |
| 20:40.15 | matsimoto | such a stupid question :( ? |
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| 20:40.53 | Clipper87 | hey sineot |
| 20:41.19 | Clipper87 | I got novacom working on windows...what was that command you reccommeded ? |
| 20:42.23 | oil | matsimoto: no, i was laughing at swisstomcat |
| 20:42.33 | oil | matsimoto: rebooting should do it |
| 20:44.59 | Clipper87 | oil maybe you know...I'm trying to get the onscreen keyboard working on my pre 2 |
| 20:45.18 | Clipper87 | I have novacom running I am cd to the correct folder |
| 20:45.29 | Clipper87 | I just dont know what to do next |
| 20:45.35 | matsimoto | oil: OK, but are there easier methods ? I would like to upload the files I build with my netbeans module via scp and then run the installer via ssh over wifi. This would be cool during development. |
| 20:46.18 | matsimoto | oil: But permanently rebooting would slow things down. |
| 20:47.08 | oil | Clipper87: ive never edited a file over novacom |
| 20:47.20 | oil | idk if vi even works over it |
| 20:47.27 | egaudet | matsimoto: how did you install it via shell? |
| 20:47.57 | matsimoto | egaudet: ipkg -i <filename>.ipkg |
| 20:48.10 | egaudet | well I would reverse that if I were you |
| 20:48.31 | egaudet | installing to root like that is the cause of eternal update symptoms |
| 20:48.59 | egaudet | what instructions did you follow for that command line? |
| 20:49.03 | matsimoto | egaudet: how do you mean reverse ?? |
| 20:49.17 | egaudet | ipkg remove it |
| 20:49.42 | egaudet | what instructions did you follow? |
| 20:49.55 | matsimoto | I have already removed it and installed is with the palm installer. |
| 20:50.29 | matsimoto | egaudet: instructions? I just took a look at the ipkg usage |
| 20:50.55 | matsimoto | I am fairly new to this stuff. |
| 20:51.45 | destinal | matsimoto: yeah there are two ipkg libraries on a webos device. the base one which you installed into which is only for the operating system itself, and another intended for third party applications |
| 20:52.49 | destinal | the proper one for applications is ipkg -o /media/cryptofs/apps install whatever.ipk |
| 20:52.50 | matsimoto | destinal: where do I find the right one or better are there instruction available on how to do it right ? |
| 20:52.59 | destinal | but easier to palm-install from the host PC usually |
| 20:53.37 | matsimoto | destinal: is it possible to the palm-install over wifi ? |
| 20:53.46 | destinal | and some advanced packages don't work with ipkg -o because it's an "offline" mode and doesn't run post install scripts or pre remove |
| 20:54.21 | destinal | which your average webos app doesn't have, but some, especially advanced homebrew stuff, does |
| 20:55.15 | matsimoto | OK, I understand, my intention is to add more comfort to my PalmPre module I built for netbeans IDE. It is simple but it works |
| 20:55.18 | destinal | matsimoto: theoretically possible over novacom's tcp modes I suppose but I don't know anyone who does it (or tcp novacom except to the emulator really) |
| 20:55.30 | matsimoto | but the USB Plug sucks |
| 20:55.41 | destinal | matsimoto: very true |
| 20:56.31 | destinal | matsimoto: you can put the app on URL the browser can load and you have preware installed you could do it that way |
| 20:57.05 | destinal | preware can install apps and packages from web URL's or email |
| 20:57.23 | matsimoto | destinal:hmm, can I use file URLs like file://blabla ? |
| 20:58.42 | destinal | matsimoto: the browser doesn't want to open file: urls, but maybe with a patch |
| 20:58.43 | matsimoto | destinal: maybe I can tunnel novacom over my ssh connection ... |
| 20:59.33 | destinal | matsimoto: it should be possible, just load up the emulator and figure out how that TCP connection works. I have no idea why nobody here seems to have researched doing much with novacom over tcp |
| 21:00.30 | destinal | I don't know if the novacom daemon on the pre supports tcp modes either.. hmm.. |
| 21:00.40 | matsimoto | destinal: but isnt the novacomd only a bridge between tcp and USB ? |
| 21:00.58 | destinal | matsimoto: that's true. *that* port |
| 21:00.59 | destinal | ok |
| 21:01.40 | matsimoto | that would mean that I need a USBoverTCP magic driver ... |
| 21:01.44 | destinal | matsimoto: novacomd can also talk to a novacom device over tcp |
| 21:01.51 | matsimoto | ah OK |
| 21:01.52 | destinal | rather than usb |
| 21:02.30 | matsimoto | perfect I will try this. do you have a hint on docs for the tcp mode ? |
| 21:03.03 | destinal | matsimoto: sadly I really don't think there are docs, I would try tcpdump on the SDK virtual machine |
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| 21:03.31 | destinal | and then try palm-install to the emulator |
| 21:03.45 | matsimoto | OK, I prefer wireshark, ut it should do the job |
| 21:03.47 | destinal | matsimoto: and write up on the wiki whatever you find |
| 21:03.49 | destinal | :) |
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| 21:04.26 | destinal | matsimoto: yeah i guess you could sniff the host side of the virtual network interface, I assume that would work in wireshark? |
| 21:04.58 | matsimoto | that should work. Never tried this with virtualbox |
| 21:05.27 | destinal | it's an x86 virtual machine with a special build of webos running on it |
| 21:05.46 | destinal | the emulator image I mean |
| 21:06.03 | matsimoto | I think I can intercept it on the host side. |
| 21:06.38 | destinal | it's weird that we've never researched this before |
| 21:06.50 | destinal | in like 1.5 years |
| 21:07.21 | matsimoto | I stumbled over the openssh server and it was so easy to make it work |
| 21:07.37 | destinal | matsimoto: installed through preware? |
| 21:07.51 | matsimoto | and a future without the USB plug looks promising |
| 21:07.55 | matsimoto | yes |
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| 21:23.25 | egaudet | in preware you can use file:// to install an ipk |
| 21:24.08 | halfhalo | yupyup |
| 21:24.12 | egaudet | preware does have file browser too but only for /media/internal |
| 21:24.20 | egaudet | manual file:// paths work for ipk's located outside of /media/internal |
| 21:24.24 | halfhalo | weeeellll |
| 21:24.35 | halfhalo | knows theres a s3cr3t option for file browser |
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| 22:07.33 | destinal | egaudet: ah, I didn't know that about opening file:// url's in preware. coolo |
| 22:10.29 | oil | yeah, it does that, and my sexy file picker :) |
| 22:10.39 | halfhalo | lulz |
| 22:11.01 | halfhalo | is totally going to redo wirc's alias stuff after he finishes with his finals |
| 22:11.35 | oil | doesn't hold breath xD |
| 22:11.42 | halfhalo | lol |
| 22:11.56 | halfhalo | im taking code I made for node regex stuff and applying it there |
| 22:13.15 | oil | afaik the alias stuff works pretty good |
| 22:13.24 | halfhalo | yeah |
| 22:13.36 | halfhalo | the way Imma gonna do it is sorta the same, but cleaner |
| 22:14.05 | oil | lol |
| 22:14.58 | halfhalo | instead of doing a crazy for loop with a crapload of ifs its just going to be a replace type thing |
| 22:15.35 | halfhalo | and it will also allow for more complex stuff to be built on the fly |
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| 22:18.09 | halfhalo | it will end up taking an input string like "/blah :com :stuffs", build a regex strings can be used to match against, and then when run on those strings returns an obj with the values of com and stuffs which can be automagically replaced as well |
| 22:18.42 | oil | make sure its backwards compatible with previous aliases |
| 22:18.46 | halfhalo | same basic thing, but with a wrapper structure to make it cleaner |
| 22:18.58 | oil | or it converts aliases to the new format |
| 22:19.30 | halfhalo | it should convert just fine, since its not all that different of a format in the end |
| 22:24.11 | halfhalo | heh, I actually originally made the code for an irc node thing where I would have an array of this function and a callback, and ever time a message came in I would loop over all the regex's and if they matched ran the callback |
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| 22:25.18 | halfhalo | instead of having crazy regex everywhere in my code I would just have "hi :person" instead |
| 22:29.12 | halfhalo | is that lazy |
| 22:33.00 | SineOt | memboot is the best thing |
| 22:35.08 | rwhitby | omap3_loader is better |
| 22:36.00 | SineOt | whyso? |
| 22:36.29 | rwhitby | memboot requires an operational bootloader :) |
| 22:36.50 | SineOt | hah |
| 22:37.11 | SineOt | was just loading the stock kernel back on, since warthog was hanging really badly 10 seconds after Luna start :p |
| 22:38.12 | SineOt | which, if anyone can explain how to get logs etc, I'll be happy to subject myself too some mroe to help figure out why it hangs P: |
| 22:39.53 | rwhitby | you need to pull the battery momentarily while it's still plugged into USB for power, and vol up recovery mode immediately |
| 22:39.58 | rwhitby | then you can novacom get file://klog |
| 22:40.06 | rwhitby | or talk to bootie directly |
| 22:40.21 | SineOt | okay |
| 22:43.11 | SineOt | oooo, that's new |
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| 22:44.27 | SineOt | Novacom reports "klog empty" so I'm assuming it wiped |
| 22:46.48 | rwhitby | how long did you leave the battery out? |
| 22:46.57 | rwhitby | it needs to be less than quarter of a second |
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| 22:47.59 | SineOt | probably a little longer than that |
| 22:48.01 | egaudet | volatile memory is... |
| 22:48.14 | SineOt | but now, even pulling the battery, I can't get it to actually... Shut off |
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| 22:49.33 | SineOt | it seems perfectly content to just keep running off USB power |
| 22:50.19 | rwhitby | do what I said |
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| 22:50.32 | halfhalo | oh, rwhitby, question! in regards to preware, what exactly do you mean by "lazy-loading"? |
| 22:50.48 | rwhitby | loading only what is required to display what the user can see |
| 22:51.15 | SineOt | Momentarily pull the battery while still on USB, and volume up recovery immediately: that's what I did |
| 22:51.35 | SineOt | novacom can't find the device, and it's still sitting at the launcher page it hung on with the battery pulled |
| 22:51.58 | SineOt | pulled/reinsererted a few times with volume up, novacom still can't find it |
| 22:53.16 | halfhalo | so, say, instead of download existing feeds which contain everything, it would talk to the server and say "give me all packages that work with x,y and z" where x/y/z could be webos versions or arch? |
| 22:55.13 | rwhitby | halfhalo: and not even all of the data for those packages |
| 23:03.27 | SineOt | rwhitby: pull battery while connected to USB, correct? |
| 23:04.22 | halfhalo | ok, the querying is ridiculously easy to do, with pages like /feed/:webos/:arch/:etc(.html or ,json or .xml, doesn't matter to rails) which would (and should) be accessed by default/first/etc since they will be the fastest, and then also have a page like /package/find where it uses any POST data to narrow its results for more specific searching at the expense of speed (since the query most likely will not be cached by anything, and most l |
| 23:04.23 | halfhalo | will involve a field not being indexed) |
| 23:05.08 | halfhalo | As for the not sending all the data thing, thats easy to do, but I don't know how much of an increase in load it will result in |
| 23:07.03 | halfhalo | theoretically, I can also make it do revisions as well |
| 23:08.56 | halfhalo | so you give the server a revision number and it responds with all the changes between that revision and the current one |
| 23:09.44 | oil | (needs to include package removals) |
| 23:10.30 | destinal | rwhitby: wow you can get the device to restart but retain klog by pulling battery? I didn't know that. I would use the kernel reset myself, hold down power button and slide mute switch on, off, three times and keep holding power button |
| 23:12.42 | halfhalo | oil: yeah, package removal is pretty much the only thing not being tracked right now since I haven't come up with a clean way of doing it yet |
| 23:13.24 | oil | couldn't the server cache the revision responses? |
| 23:14.07 | rwhitby | destinal: if power wiggle works, it's a better option. with overclocking kernel crashes, it rarely works |
| 23:14.10 | oil | is it reading the packages file to build its database right now? |
| 23:14.36 | destinal | rwhitby: oh and re the omap3 usb loader, it's awesome, but you still need something to load IT that you can use to load the kernel, yeah? (so usb load bootie and boot mem a kernel anyway) |
| 23:14.52 | rwhitby | destinal: yeah |
| 23:15.14 | destinal | we need to get a xloader+uboot combo working so we can do more interesting boot things |
| 23:15.39 | rwhitby | waits for reactions to http://twitter.com/webosinternals/status/12645425672622080 |
| 23:20.20 | halfhalo | oil: its made up of two distinct parts which I lovingly call feedEater and feedViewer. feedEater resides on the server with the feeds and sets up watchers on all the Packages files its pointed at, and everytime one of them is modified reads it in, parses it into a bunch of objects, compares each object to a list of all perviously found objects, and if its unique sends it to mongo |
| 23:21.15 | Rick_work | well, doesn't he make his own point? The project was violating IP, and irrespective of your roll, XDA would have eventually shut it down instead of allowing it to proceed. Of course, the information was lost only if a) there was anything but the fake in the first place and b) no one was smart enough to cache the thread. |
| 23:21.21 | halfhalo | feedViewer is just a stripped down rails app that talks to the same DB |
| 23:21.36 | AStice | That's a tough debate to take a side on |
| 23:22.01 | SineOt | XDA normally, to my knowledge, doesn't really care about violating IP too much, given the number of ports of stuff like Sense UI to non-HTC devices, etc |
| 23:22.04 | AStice | "nerd projects" as he put it are one thing. It's a completely different thing to do it without any regard to HP/Palm's oppinion on the matter |
| 23:22.28 | AStice | Did HP or Palm ever weigh in on the matter? |
| 23:23.00 | Rick_work | it is. And of course, some companies (apple) make things so impossible that there is no CHOICE but to simply ignore their IP. But if the company is reasonably decent, which HP and palm are more-than, then you would be STUPID to convince them to take actions to lock their doors. |
| 23:23.33 | Rick_work | No AStice they didn't. But again, remember how they treat US. The difference is clear. Silence on one side, massive open support on the other. |
| 23:25.28 | AStice | True - but I look at in a similar light to the work you guys will inevitably work on when Palm stops supporting webOS on older hardware |
| 23:25.40 | AStice | It's highly dependent on the intentions of the developers |
| 23:25.58 | rwhitby | AStice: have you read my last post in that thread? |
| 23:26.29 | AStice | Don't have a link to the thread - looking for it now |
| 23:29.10 | Rick_work | AStice no, actually, -we- guys have a policy about that. We use the files that Palm has openly shared on the internet, and mod them, even as we do with patches etc etc and meta doctor and so forth. |
| 23:29.26 | Rick_work | we do not EVER host modified versions of Palm or HP ip. |
| 23:32.02 | rwhitby | AStice: looks like the thread has been removed |
| 23:32.15 | AStice | Looks like it |
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| 23:33.21 | AStice | Like I said - that's a really tough debate to weigh in on, tough to draw a line there - if it truly is just a project to see if they could do it, that one thing - when you start talking about distribution you bring a whole other set of ethical principles into play |
| 23:33.24 | rwhitby | That's a shame - they should have just removed the link to the illegal redistribution. |
| 23:34.00 | rwhitby | AStice: correct. it is sandix's decision to illegally redistribute which tipped the balance. |
| 23:34.31 | rwhitby | if they instead did a tool which downloaded from palm, modified, and flashed, then there is no copyright violation |
| 23:34.43 | AStice | I'm going to say that redistributing their work (outside of themselves, of course) would lean on the side of ethically wrong |
| 23:35.06 | rwhitby | not just ethically wrong, it's a clear and blatant copyright law violation. |
| 23:35.37 | AStice | True, but there's a huge difference between legality and ethics, I'm only talking about ethics |
| 23:35.57 | rwhitby | sure, if your ethics allow breaking the law just for your convenience |
| 23:36.14 | rwhitby | the very law upon which all open source development is based |
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| 23:37.23 | rwhitby | one cannot be in favour of gpl-violations.org suing Cisco, and then support redistribution of webOS, just because they want webOS on their Hero |
| 23:37.35 | AStice | Well, obviously someone could break the law and claim that they did because they didn't see an ethical problem with it, but that's a bit extreme. In this case ethics and copyright laws align pretty closely, but there is a bit of a difference there. Technically doing the development itself is against copyright. |
| 23:38.22 | rwhitby | No, doing the development is not against copyright. If someone gives you a book, you are free to mangle it how you choose. |
| 23:38.56 | rwhitby | (at least you are in juridictions which allow reverse engineering and end-user modifications) |
| 23:40.27 | AStice | True - but intellectual property is a bit different then a physical object. That's where it gets hairy. Most copyrights require express permission to modify their intellectual property. Usually it's fine if you don't redistribute, because then it can be correlated to a physical object |
| 23:41.29 | AStice | Be back in a moment |
| 23:43.04 | rwhitby | Yes, redistribution is the tipping point. |
| 23:43.49 | AStice | True - and development with the intent to redistribute is just as unethical |
| 23:44.00 | rwhitby | AStice: Most copyrights refer to redistribution on modified content, not the act of modifying it |
| 23:44.31 | rwhitby | Mainly because copyright law cannot limit the act of modifying it yourself in most jurisdictions. |
| 23:45.16 | oil | which is why you use the metadoc to modify the doctor, instead of just downloading a modified doctor from our servers |
| 23:45.26 | rwhitby | AStice: this whole issue is why WebOS Internals created the MetaDoctor - we do not redistribute modified webOS images, we distribute a tool that an end-user can use to modify their own copy (which they have obtained legally) |
| 23:46.16 | rwhitby | It's a clear and distinct difference in approach, which does not force the vendor to defend their copyright rights. |
| 23:46.27 | AStice | Yes - which is ethical |
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| 23:51.23 | AStice | Copyright's are there to provide a legal basis for protecting the owner's right to benefit from their intellectual property. Your approach maintains ethics by stepping around the limitations of copyrights. Your also lucky that Palm encourages your work, because regardless of copyright law, if they didn't want you modifying their stuff, even the meta doctor would no longer be ethical (in my opinion, that's a hard point to ar |
| 23:53.37 | destinal | AStice: actually copyrights are there to enrich the public domain (at least that's what the US constitution says) |
| 23:53.54 | rwhitby | AStice: the ethics of MetaDoctor do not depend upon what Palm wants. |
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| 23:55.09 | rwhitby | Whilst Palm seeing the benefits of ethical third-part development is good, it is not essential to that development continuing, as the development is based on the law, not on the good graces of a corporation. |
| 23:55.55 | AStice | Ethics are still very much in the realm of debate, in my opinion the ethics of the MetaDoctor do depend on what Palm wants, because your tool is not equivalent to someone modifying their own device - but it is also not nearly as unethical as flat out distributing modified property |
| 23:56.24 | rwhitby | AStice: if the tool was a screwdriver, and the person was modifying a car, the same ethics apply. |
| 23:57.15 | destinal | AStice: providing someone a tool to alter their own licensed copyrighted work (like a 3rd party patch for windows) is against copyright law, in your assertion? |
| 23:57.30 | AStice | Not at all |
| 23:57.38 | rwhitby | destinal: no, he is asserting morals, not legality. |
| 23:57.39 | AStice | Not talking about copyright law, just ethics |
| 23:58.10 | destinal | ah. well yeah ethically absolutely, I should have the right to open the hood of my car :) |
| 23:58.13 | rwhitby | AStice: have you seen the talk by saurik on this subject? |
| 23:58.43 | rwhitby | AStice: http://www.iphonedownloadblog.com/2010/11/09/sauriks-ted-talk-even-software-should-have-screws/ |
| 23:58.44 | AStice | No, but I'd be interested. Looking for it now |
| 23:58.49 | AStice | That makes it easier |
| 23:59.58 | destinal | The US copyright office realizes it's important too and made the exemption for jailbreaking and phone unlocking |
