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| 00:17.00 | Guest82298 | flashed to cricket. What proxy can i use with wap.mycricket.com |
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| 00:25.26 | SineOt | cricket has a Pre? |
| 00:25.56 | bpadalino | no, he re-did the provisioning on his phone to put it on cricket's network (i believe) |
| 00:26.45 | SineOt | flashing would be an odd way to describe changing the provisioning |
| 00:27.58 | bpadalino | *shrug* those crazy cdma peoples |
| 00:29.17 | rwhitby | bpadalino: apparently, there is a webOS 1.3.1 ROM which people who want to get on Cricket buy from some illegal dude and then flash it. |
| 00:29.49 | bpadalino | very interesting |
| 00:29.54 | rwhitby | and since it's an illegal redistribution of webOS files, we can't support it here. |
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| 00:30.12 | bpadalino | understandable |
| 00:30.18 | SineOt | 1.3.1 is so ancient now |
| 00:30.25 | SineOt | hope they don't have to pay much for it :I |
| 00:30.40 | rwhitby | now, if the people involved were to publish information about how each end-user can do it for themselves, then we might be able to get involved, but of course that would harm their illegal revenue stream |
| 00:30.59 | rwhitby | SineOt: I believe it's something like $200 |
| 00:31.18 | SineOt | good lord |
| 00:31.25 | xbonesx | is there a way to have the pre start with a specified profile running, mine always starts with one called unknown running 500 across the board |
| 00:31.36 | bpadalino | amazing someone would pay that much .. isn't the pre on verizon wireless prepaid now ? |
| 00:31.42 | rwhitby | At least that's what I heard from one guy who was asking why Preware wouldn't work on his device |
| 00:31.47 | SineOt | yeah, it is, bpadalino |
| 00:32.07 | rwhitby | xbonesx: select a profile in govnah, and it sticks on clean boots |
| 00:32.40 | xbonesx | speaking about govnah of course |
| 00:33.12 | SineOt | 200$ for an outdated version of webOS |
| 00:34.16 | xbonesx | nope never has for me even after doctoring and reinstalling everything |
| 00:35.04 | rwhitby | xbonesx: even if you select one of the predefined profiles? |
| 00:35.49 | xbonesx | yesir |
| 00:36.45 | rwhitby | do you have a govnah file in /var/palm/event.d ? |
| 00:38.14 | xbonesx | I'll check |
| 00:40.14 | xbonesx | "/var/palm/event.d/org.webos-internals.govnah" ??? |
| 00:44.11 | xbonesx | there's actually like four files for govnah |
| 00:50.34 | xbonesx | rwhitby: any ideas? |
| 00:53.12 | rwhitby | the -settings one is the one for govnah profile |
| 00:53.19 | rwhitby | and the -compcache one |
| 00:53.30 | rwhitby | should only be three I think |
| 00:55.02 | xbonesx | rwhitby: those controlthe default settings? can I manually enter the desired profile into a config file? |
| 00:58.28 | rwhitby | xbonesx: just edit those files directly if you like |
| 01:00.04 | xbonesx | rwhitby: first off hats off to you bro for your work, secondly any thoughts on why govnah might not be setting the profiles? |
| 01:00.51 | rwhitby | look at the first three lines of those scripts and check those commands to see if your device thinks it was uncleanly rebooted |
| 01:00.59 | rwhitby | the lunprop lines |
| 01:02.36 | xbonesx | ok one sec |
| 01:02.36 | xbonesx | lol govnah just received an update??? lol |
| 01:02.59 | oil | that happens |
| 01:06.19 | xbonesx | rwhitby: I got a false, true, true |
| 01:06.36 | Marajin | SineOt: my pixi is slow! Make it less slow! :P |
| 01:07.25 | rwhitby | Marajin: put a 750MHz kernel on it |
| 01:07.34 | rwhitby | xbonesx: that's not it then. |
| 01:07.47 | Marajin | rwhitby: is there one in the preware repos? O.o |
| 01:07.49 | rwhitby | xbonesx: is it charging, or is the battery less than 25% ? |
| 01:08.00 | rwhitby | Marajin: yes, in the kernel test feed |
| 01:08.05 | Marajin | hmm |
| 01:08.11 | xbonesx | Marajin: wasn't a OC released for pixi, in testing feed??? |
| 01:08.12 | Marajin | I assume that needs to be manually added? |
| 01:08.24 | rwhitby | google knows how |
| 01:08.26 | Marajin | xbonesx: I didn't see it when I was looking for kernels |
| 01:12.40 | xbonesx | rwhitby: I'm chraging at the moment, I run a userdefined profile so the charging doesn't effect the cpu rate, but when I restart the phone I have it off the charger |
| 01:13.06 | Marajin | alrighty |
| 01:13.08 | Marajin | feed updating now |
| 01:17.14 | Marajin | alright |
| 01:17.15 | Marajin | no |
| 01:17.21 | Marajin | totally not in the feeds I'm finding |
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| 01:19.15 | Marajin | I tried the all and the armv6 feeds to no avail.. does the kernel have its own supar sekrit sneaky feed or what? :p |
| 01:19.53 | rwhitby | yeah, it's real sneaky and hidden. second google hit for "webos-internals kernel testing feed" |
| 01:20.14 | bpadalino | the SECOND hit?! |
| 01:20.21 | bpadalino | ugh, so low in rankings :( |
| 01:20.22 | Marajin | I went for 'pixi kernel feed' |
| 01:20.25 | oil | not feelin lucky? |
| 01:23.09 | Marajin | ok that 2nd link is the page I went to.. my bad, didn't actually scroll to the bottom to read if there was a special section for kernels |
| 01:23.21 | Marajin | and that web address for the feed just makes me bloody suspicious |
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| 01:25.09 | halfhalo | dundunDUN |
| 01:25.21 | Marajin | heh |
| 01:27.06 | Marajin | ... that's kinda amusing |
| 01:28.38 | xbonesx | Marajin: get it working? |
| 01:29.46 | Marajin | well yes |
| 01:29.53 | Marajin | but I can't believe they bothered to code that behaviour in |
| 01:29.56 | Marajin | :D |
| 01:30.02 | halfhalo | patch it |
| 01:30.26 | Marajin | that or I could just use the logical URL in the future I suppose |
| 01:32.20 | Marajin | iiiinteresting |
| 01:32.21 | SineOt | lol, Marajin! Install Warthog! |
| 01:32.23 | Marajin | it failed to install |
| 01:32.49 | Marajin | let me guess, it freaked cause I'd installed the UK? |
| 01:33.00 | SineOt | probably |
| 01:33.09 | SineOt | uninstall UK and install Warthog |
| 01:33.15 | Marajin | that's what I shall do |
| 01:33.20 | SineOt | and be sure to set up compcache in Govnah |
| 01:33.29 | Marajin | mais bien sur |
| 01:35.42 | Marajin | there we go, it installed |
| 01:36.09 | Marajin | SineOt: ZOMG, my pixi melted and set my desk on fire, totally blaming you! :p |
| 01:37.05 | Marajin | It also ate my imaginary kitten :( |
| 01:40.20 | SineOt | ;_; |
| 01:40.26 | SineOt | it didn't eat your kitten |
| 01:40.39 | SineOt | it just reinstalled it to my Pixi |
| 01:40.41 | SineOt | >:O |
| 01:41.58 | SineOt | but yeah 748+compcache@24mb (I'm weird) runs really nice |
| 01:43.09 | SineOt | if stuff like 806 turns out to be stable all the better |
| 01:43.28 | Marajin | heh |
| 01:43.35 | Marajin | just fiddling with the advanced settings now.. |
| 01:43.41 | Marajin | enabled the same settings as yours |
| 01:46.09 | Marajin | SineOt: btw, that kitten is a disguise, it's a grue really... DON'T TURN OFF THE LIGHTS! |
| 01:46.36 | bpadalino | you're standing in front of a white house |
| 01:46.47 | SineOt | I also bumped the Up Threshold to 70% since I (think) that makes it bump up quicker |
| 01:46.47 | Marajin | also, my pixi also doesn't have magical running cooler than ambient temperature properties either |
| 01:47.03 | SineOt | figure out what the delta is from ambient to your pixi |
| 01:47.24 | Marajin | well it's at 38 C right now heh |
| 01:47.27 | SineOt | mine idles at like, 7 over ambient :p |
| 01:47.36 | SineOt | which happens to be 35 |
| 01:47.42 | SineOt | which seems hot, but it's a hot room so! |
| 01:47.43 | Marajin | and it's certainly not 30 in here |
| 01:48.10 | Marajin | I shall let it idle a bit |
| 01:48.19 | SineOt | I'm going to go get a coffee |
| 01:48.20 | SineOt | later! |
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| 01:50.41 | Marajin | waves. |
| 01:50.50 | Marajin | I'm going to bed (35 C.. so it IS dropping slowly) |
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| 03:41.01 | Fire-Time | Hey |
| 03:43.02 | Fire-Time | was wondering if aneyone had any idea why I'm not getting a full file listing from the webos-internals git version control feed in preware |
| 03:44.29 | ka6sox | preware !git |
| 03:45.05 | ka6sox | preware does not use the git repo for it listings. |
| 03:45.20 | Fire-Time | ok |
| 03:45.44 | oil | ipkg.preware.org/feeds is where the feeds are |
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| 03:50.00 | FireTime | and there goes the router |
| 03:52.04 | FireTime | ok so preware does not pull data from the get server but it does pull from some sub version server? |
| 03:54.12 | FireTime | well my final goal is to get stella up and running on this pixie but preware is only pulling some of the folders |
| 04:01.50 | oil | stella? |
| 04:03.48 | FireTime | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Stella |
| 04:04.32 | halfhalo | What about it |
| 04:05.10 | halfhalo | Besides the awesomeness it looks like |
| 04:05.36 | FireTime | still not fully fimilar with the webOS system and installing Stella is proving to be a little more difficult to install than initially planned |
| 04:06.35 | FireTime | The application is not appearing in the webos-internals preware feed |
| 04:06.51 | bpadalino | you are trying to install it to a pixi ? |
| 04:07.19 | halfhalo | Pixi can run stuff? |
| 04:07.29 | oil | is a little surprised he has never seen stella before, yet its on the wiki :/ |
| 04:07.35 | FireTime | yes |
| 04:07.49 | halfhalo | Shamw on you oil |
| 04:07.57 | bpadalino | the last time that page was updated was 2/2010 .. isn't that before pixi was running pdk stuff ? |
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| 04:10.37 | halfhalo | goes back to hulu on the ps3 |
| 04:11.27 | FireTime | is the repository that the pixie is pulling from not including stella because it is incompitable (or was when the application was prodeced)? |
| 04:11.45 | halfhalo | Most likely |
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| 04:14.42 | FireTime | also (another shot in the dark here) could grabing the ipk from the pre repository prove fruitful if the reason it is not loading is solely due to the fact the pixie listing hasent been updated? Or would a seperate build be nessary. |
| 04:15.17 | halfhalo | A seperate build is needed for pdk apps |
| 04:15.31 | FireTime | ok |
| 04:15.33 | bpadalino | it would be a separate build .. |
| 04:15.44 | FireTime | thanks for the info |
| 04:16.48 | halfhalo | Yay pdk! |
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| 04:25.52 | FireTime | well thanks for the help. (also found the http address of the server) and as was expected the Stella ipk is not located in the pixie's armv6/ directory but rather in the armv7/ |
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| 04:27.31 | bpadalino | you could feel free to try to compile for armv6 and the pixi platform and see if it works .. if it doesn't, the stuff should all be open |
| 04:28.04 | bpadalino | http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=games/stella.git;a=summary - git info there |
| 04:28.31 | FireTime | yah, already have a snapshot of the current revision |
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| 04:30.07 | FireTime | I might have to do this another time seeing as I'm not thinking 100% being hoped up on Hydrocoding from the removal of my wisdom teeth |
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| 04:30.30 | FireTime | codone* |
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| 05:57.00 | ghostinator | IRC client for the pre is great! thanks for the hard work |
| 05:58.16 | oil | :) |
| 05:59.50 | rwhitby | hey ghostinator, thanks for the TCP text |
| 06:00.32 | ghostinator | np,ill make it more end user friendly and hopefully get some speed testing/network throughput testing done |
| 06:06.54 | jhoweb | what testing? |
| 06:07.19 | oil | (i already put what he posted in govnah) |
| 06:07.21 | jhoweb | just stick with cubic. it's mostly okay. |
| 06:08.22 | ghostinator | it's a good default, but my experience westwood is much better on my EVDO connection. VENO seems good as well |
| 06:09.20 | ghostinator | that's like sticking with the stock kernel,it does the job as well. :D |
| 06:10.53 | jhoweb | i went through months ago and did throughput testing on all the different algos |
| 06:11.31 | ghostinator | I guess I missed that |
| 06:11.48 | oil | doesnt think he posted it :) |
| 06:12.31 | jhoweb | yeah. long story short |
| 06:12.35 | jhoweb | stick with cubic |
| 06:12.55 | jhoweb | of course, you are welcome to use whatever you want |
| 06:13.04 | jhoweb | but that's what i would tell people. |
| 06:13.30 | jhoweb | reading about capabilities != testing said capabilities |
| 06:16.09 | ghostinator | I mainly wanted to know what each one did and didn't see a compiled source. then I saw no info in the help file and couldnt sit idle |
| 06:16.16 | SineOt | how would you even go about testing that? |
| 06:17.28 | jhojho | use a tool |
| 06:17.44 | SineOt | gee wiz really :T |
| 06:17.53 | ghostinator | file transfers through sftp I suppose, I have a speedtest app that is somewhat reliable |
| 06:17.59 | SineOt | I was thinking about holding it out the window to see if the bits flew faster |
| 06:18.14 | ghostinator | I haven't put too much thought into it to be honest |
| 06:18.36 | ghostinator | I do that sometimes to cool the cpu.. it gets hot in Florida |
| 06:19.03 | jhojho | http://lmgtfy.com/?q=network+throughput+testing |
| 06:20.01 | SineOt | that's so helpful :'3 |
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| 06:20.16 | SineOt | it's not like I was asking how you went about testing it on the phone or anything |
| 06:20.48 | ghostinator | haha, k guys I gotta go to bed, gotta work in the am and it's already 2am here. |
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| 07:00.09 | swisstomcat | morning |
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| 07:25.39 | rwhitby | So, I had a palm device with a spanish GSM board in it (not paid catalog). I logged in with a profile, and got the free app catalog. I then put an unlocked AT&T comms board in it, and didn't change anything else (i.e. it's still a P100UEU, carrier ROW). It now sees the US Paid app catalog. |
| 07:27.44 | swisstomcat | hmm |
| 07:27.48 | swisstomcat | interesting |
| 07:28.14 | rwhitby | The profile now has three phones registered on it. |
| 07:28.51 | rwhitby | A Sprint Pre, an EU GSM Pre, and an AT&T PrePlus (except that it's actually a Pre) |
| 07:29.26 | tmzt_ | hah |
| 07:29.27 | tmzt_ | what? |
| 07:29.42 | tmzt_ | oh |
| 07:29.51 | rwhitby | the profile has Country: USA |
| 07:30.05 | rwhitby | Next I'll try activating that device with a Country: UK profile |
| 07:30.30 | swisstomcat | isn't it just the country of first activation together with the IMEI? |
| 07:30.42 | swisstomcat | that defines which app catalog |
| 07:35.42 | rwhitby | that's what I'm going to determine, whether the country listed in the profile has any effect, or whether it's just the IMEI/MEID, and where that identifier was first registered, irrespective of anything else already in the profile |
| 07:37.23 | rwhitby | if it's just the IMEI/MEID, and the device type or profile country doesn't matter, then that makes it easier to do a pre2 comms board swap if they are electrically and physically compatible |
| 07:39.51 | swisstomcat | i thought it was the country of first activation .. don't they have a paid app catalog in spain? |
| 07:43.26 | rwhitby | yes, but that was a different GSM card, and when you use that GSM card, the app catalog requires an EU credit card. Now with the unlocked AT&T GSM card, it asks for a US credit card |
| 07:50.53 | swisstomcat | ah, because you put the different card in |
| 07:50.58 | swisstomcat | gsm card |
| 07:51.05 | rwhitby | yep |
| 07:51.42 | swisstomcat | and the at&t comms board was activated in the us? |
| 07:51.46 | rwhitby | I can put an EU GSM which was activated in Australia, a CDMA which was activated in US, or a US GSM which was activated in US |
| 07:52.51 | swisstomcat | the eu gsm card won't lead to paid apps tho, right? |
| 07:55.26 | rwhitby | correct - I only get free apps on that one |
| 07:56.22 | rwhitby | excellent - I get US Paid on the UK profile too |
| 07:57.12 | swisstomcat | cool |
| 07:57.21 | swisstomcat | profile doesn't have influence then |
| 07:57.35 | rwhitby | So, the Country listed in your Palm Profile has no bearing on app catalog access. |
| 07:59.18 | rwhitby | Looks like the Model is tied to the DeviceID, and has no connection to the real model. |
| 07:59.35 | rwhitby | I have an AT&T comms board in a Pre-, and it says Pre+ |
| 08:00.56 | swisstomcat | isn't the deviceid "just" a hash of the mac? |
| 08:03.01 | rwhitby | no |
| 08:03.11 | rwhitby | DeviceID in your palm profile is the IMEI or MEID |
| 08:03.28 | rwhitby | which is permanently encoded on the comms board processor, not in the NVRAM |
| 08:03.42 | rwhitby | nduid is permanently in the OMAP |
| 08:03.50 | rwhitby | and everything else is just NVRAM tokens |
| 08:03.56 | swisstomcat | i see |
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| 08:05.17 | rwhitby | now, my next experiment will be to make a Palm Pre report a Palm Pixi comms board DeviceID during activation, and see if it then sees the Pixi app catalog instead of the Palm app catalog, even though the DMMODEL is P100UEU |
| 08:06.18 | rwhitby | I wonder if Pre2 apps will have a separate part of the app catalog like Pre/Pixi does. |
| 08:06.30 | rwhitby | or whether they will just see the Pre catalog |
| 08:06.33 | swisstomcat | good question |
| 08:06.56 | swisstomcat | i think they have to: node stuff, new crud api, ... |
| 08:07.12 | rwhitby | but that would be webOS version, not device type, |
| 08:07.28 | rwhitby | I'm talking device type: Pre/Pixi/Pre2? |
| 08:08.03 | swisstomcat | right |
| 08:08.06 | rwhitby | guess it depends on what processor it really does have in it |
| 08:08.25 | swisstomcat | would 2.0 pdk apps run on 1.4.5? |
| 08:08.44 | rwhitby | no idea, and couldn't say in here anyway |
| 08:09.59 | swisstomcat | if the pre2 had additional hardware ... |
| 08:10.12 | swisstomcat | with specific features |
| 08:10.28 | jhojho | pre2 isnt that much different from pre to require a different part |
| 08:10.39 | jhojho | maybe if the resolution was different |
| 08:10.42 | swisstomcat | does it have a compass? |
| 08:11.19 | rwhitby | no public report or leak has mentioned one |
| 08:25.18 | swisstomcat | adding some webos-internals stuff to my front-trends presentation |
| 08:29.17 | bhuey | can't wait for any new device on Sprint |
| 08:30.22 | oil | would upgrade to pre2 on sprint |
| 08:30.31 | bhuey | same here |
| 08:30.41 | bhuey | they really hosed us |
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| 08:31.20 | oil | would have upgraded to a plus already if it was offered |
| 08:34.28 | swisstomcat | i assume that the pre2 will come to sprint |
| 08:34.38 | swisstomcat | and i hope for o2 too .. unlocked :) |
| 08:48.40 | swisstomcat | bbl |
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| 09:06.11 | bhuey | screen size on it still sucks though |
| 09:06.29 | bhuey | webos browser is so os |
| 09:06.32 | bhuey | so so |
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| 16:41.32 | xbonesx | anyone know of the app that allows you to encrypt a message on one phone, then send it to another pre that knows the password to decrypt? for private messaging? |
| 16:42.54 | SineOtter | I remember seeing it, but I can't remember what the name was |
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| 17:03.33 | Marajin | hmm |
| 17:05.57 | SineOtter | hey Marajin |
| 17:06.00 | SineOtter | how's the Pixi? :p |
| 17:09.16 | xbonesx | lol my buddy got a pixi and then came over and saw my pre and was like why the hell did I get this phone again, I sas like lmao |
| 17:10.32 | SineOtter | for me? better keyboard, better battery life, better size, no hinge to break~ |
| 17:11.21 | xbonesx | ya I do like those features, I hope the pre2 has better structure to it |
| 17:12.00 | SineOtter | that's why I'm like, way curious about this rumored "Broadway" device that says it has a fixed, nonremovable battery and Pixi screen resolution |
| 17:12.06 | Marajin | SineOtter: it's totally going out of time sync and it turns itself off once or twice a day |
| 17:12.10 | SineOtter | that thing could be waaaaaaaaaaaaay thin |
| 17:12.28 | SineOtter | I think you got a dud! Doctored it yet? |
| 17:12.33 | Marajin | no |
| 17:12.35 | Marajin | not yet |
| 17:12.39 | Marajin | it is running faster |
| 17:13.05 | xbonesx | any news on sprint getting any of these nee devices? |
| 17:13.06 | Marajin | I didn't install much to it beyond a coupla patches and the WH kernel |
| 17:13.19 | xbonesx | new* |
| 17:13.47 | SineOtter | no, but I'd say it's probably a decent bet on it happening given that Sprint missed out on all the + devices (or so I hope) |
| 17:14.08 | xbonesx | I would think and hope too |
| 17:14.13 | SineOtter | yeah, it shouldn't be THAT unstable with so little done to it. It also shouldn't be having time drift like that |
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| 17:32.04 | Marajin | SineOtter: oh it's losing like a half hour a day it's crazy |
| 17:32.28 | Marajin | SineOtter: apologies for the pause, got sidetracked doing a coupla demo videos for minecraft/runcraft to upload to yootoobs |
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| 17:33.02 | SineOtter | whhhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaat, half an hour a day is insane |
| 17:34.24 | Marajin | SineOtter: yeah it's as if the clock just ... /stops/ at some point and doesn't kick in till I unsuspend my pixi |
| 17:34.30 | Marajin | overall I'm quite liking the pixi |
| 17:34.36 | Marajin | the keyboard is far nicer, I see what people meant |
| 17:35.16 | SineOtter | yeah it is, it's a lot more firm and the keys are raised farther. You'd think it'd be harder to use with it being smaller than the one on the Pre, but that's really not the case |
| 17:35.39 | en0x | pixi is nice |
| 17:36.05 | en0x | my sis has it |
| 17:36.37 | SineOtter | you get it set up for tethering, enox? I think it was you who was wanting to do that~ |
| 17:37.20 | en0x | no i did not... it is as it is... i havent had a chaance to tether is and my sis don't want it... |
| 17:37.33 | en0x | cos she is hooking up to someone else wifi lol |
| 17:39.18 | SineOtter | lol |
| 17:39.27 | SineOtter | someone else's wifi: the best thing |
| 17:39.55 | en0x | yap ;D |
| 17:40.11 | en0x | if u don't protect it... nobody will ;d |
| 17:40.13 | halfhalo | Its like free monies |
| 17:40.16 | Mercury | Bah, my own wifi with a proper key, WPA2, and an 18M pipe is nicer. :) |
| 17:40.26 | Mercury | (But then, I'm paranoid.) |
| 17:40.40 | en0x | i just use mac filtering on my wifi |
| 17:40.43 | en0x | no encryption |
| 17:40.55 | en0x | nobody hacked to my wifi in over 5 yrs lol |
| 17:40.55 | Mercury | en0x: Ah, so no security. |
| 17:40.59 | halfhalo | I use... a shotgun |
| 17:41.36 | SineOtter | Mercury: yeah, your own wifi is nice, but when that's not working... lol |
| 17:41.49 | halfhalo | I see someone on my network and bam, down the go |
| 17:42.00 | SineOtter | my gf spent a week without internet because Time Warner couldn't tell a connection from a hole in the ground |
| 17:42.25 | SineOtter | "network outage in the area" my ass :B if your engineers take a week to fix something like that maybe you need new engineers :B |
| 17:42.27 | en0x | lol |
| 17:42.30 | halfhalo | Its tw what did you expect |
| 17:42.38 | en0x | they don't get paid enough |
| 17:42.45 | en0x | the same thing is at our university too |
| 17:42.51 | en0x | we fix issues within a week |
| 17:43.07 | en0x | ;d |
| 17:43.10 | SineOtter | that if the cable internet goes out that it'd at least have the decency to make the cable TV go out too! |
| 17:43.26 | SineOtter | because it's awesome to know your internet is dead but you can still buy a 9.99 movie on demand :B |
| 17:43.29 | halfhalo | Lol |
| 17:43.46 | halfhalo | Hey its cable that's what they do |
| 17:43.49 | en0x | i don't remember when was a last time I bought a movie on demand |
| 17:44.15 | SineOtter | I just watch the free stuff on demand, because for movies it's like... I'll walk down the street to Redbox and pay a buck for it instead |
| 17:44.19 | halfhalo | I did recently off of direct tv |
| 17:45.05 | SineOtter | I just -love- that Time Warner is playing up the fact that ondemand gets movies before redbox, when it's Time Warner's and other cable/sat companies lobbying the studios that put the 28 day delay in place to begin with :9 |
| 17:45.47 | halfhalo | well that's because their scared of the big bad digital download |
| 17:46.27 | SineOtter | so they block redbox from renting new releases for 28 days? :p |
| 17:46.44 | halfhalo | Don't judge my logic |
| 17:46.50 | halfhalo | Its sound |
| 17:46.53 | halfhalo | Ish |
| 17:46.58 | en0x | heh i get movies on torrents even before it gets on ondemand or redbox ;p |
| 17:47.15 | halfhalo | Wow swype recognizes ish? |
| 17:47.31 | SineOtter | you know how painful movies on torrents are with 2mbps DSL? really, really, really painful |
| 17:47.45 | SineOtter | Sprint 4G in the area pulls like 6-7mbps :C |
| 17:47.55 | halfhalo | Torrents are bad, mkay |
| 17:48.20 | SineOtter | newsgroups are superior no doubt |
| 17:48.33 | halfhalo | Sprint 4g just pulled three here in socal |
| 17:48.52 | SineOtter | toooooooootally reading the linux mailing list with that 365 day binary retention :V |
| 17:49.03 | SineOtter | halfhalo: where at? Anaheim? |
| 17:49.03 | halfhalo | Which is cool since I only had one bar |
| 17:49.25 | halfhalo | Nope, in the sf valley |
| 17:49.32 | SineOtter | ah |
| 17:50.13 | SineOtter | they've got it rolled out in Fullerton/Anaheim right now in "secret" I guess, but there's a hill that's JUST tall enough to make sure you can't get 4G at the house :C |
| 17:50.36 | halfhalo | Its all the same service area |
| 17:50.59 | ka6sox | no bars here.... |
| 17:51.08 | halfhalo | Psh |
| 17:51.08 | ka6sox | 100miles *west* of LA. |
| 17:51.28 | halfhalo | That's because it doesn't love you |
| 17:51.47 | halfhalo | Its pretty fast/nice though |
| 17:52.34 | SineOtter | ka6sox, isn't 100 miles *west* of LA out in the middle of the ocean ?_? |
| 17:52.36 | en0x | clear put some ads in boston |
| 17:52.45 | en0x | get wireless net for 35 bucks a month |
| 17:53.02 | ka6sox | SineOtter, nope... |
| 17:53.20 | ka6sox | okay its 285 not 270 |
| 17:53.21 | halfhalo | Eh, doesn't work at my house really yet though |
| 17:53.48 | halfhalo | Now he's making numbers up again |
| 17:53.52 | Mercury | SineOtter: It depends a lot on what direction west you go _exactly_, it's easy to miss and end up in the water. |
| 17:54.07 | SineOtter | or where in LA you start measuring from! |
| 17:54.23 | SineOtter | I'm going to assume you're measuring from down town which would be like Malibu and stuff |
| 17:54.33 | Mercury | SineOtter: I don't know how big those islands are. |
| 17:54.37 | halfhalo | I would go from lax |
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| 17:55.49 | SineOtter | the channel islands? they're pretty big |
| 17:57.07 | SineOtter | they're also -really- empty so expecting coverage out there is kind of :p |
| 17:58.20 | ka6sox | Verizon has a Cell Site on Santa Cruz Island. |
| 17:58.45 | ka6sox | *all* the fishermen are on Verizon |
| 17:59.15 | halfhalo | And so are the fish |
| 17:59.23 | SineOtter | and the seals! |
| 17:59.45 | halfhalo | Birds are on tmobile though |
| 17:59.48 | SineOtter | ... And possibly the sea otters too. Heard rumors that there might have been a sea otter in newport bay which would be -awesome- |
| 18:00.12 | SineOtter | birds only went with tmo since they can add lines for 5$, since there's so many of them |
| 18:00.29 | halfhalo | It needs to be training more right now |
| 18:00.51 | halfhalo | Stop sucking swype |
| 18:01.09 | ka6sox | its only a 3 mile swath between the mountains and the sea. |
| 18:01.13 | ka6sox | okay bbl |
| 18:01.35 | halfhalo | He drive into the ocean |
| 18:02.09 | halfhalo | Swype is making me type like a 5 year old... |
| 18:02.28 | Mousey | swiper no swypee! |
| 18:03.08 | halfhalo | Hah |
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| 18:20.34 | swisstomcat | evening |
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| 18:35.27 | xbonesx | so when a docter is done to a pre does it replace all file system directories? replace kernel changes too? |
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| 18:36.48 | en0x | xbonesx: yes.. |
| 18:37.57 | halfhalo | and xbonesx, there is no need to send the same message to both webos channels |
| 18:38.37 | xbonesx | lol well some people chill in one and not the other, yes i know the big dogs do but the big dogs dont always answer quesitons right away |
| 18:39.00 | halfhalo | And it also bugs everyone else |
| 18:39.10 | halfhalo | choose the channel that it belongs into the most and post it there |
| 18:39.54 | xbonesx | my apologies |
| 18:40.08 | xbonesx | thank you for the reply though! :) |
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| 19:13.27 | summatusmentis | I'm trying to follow the instructions from http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:OpenSSH about how to be able to ssh into your pre, and I've done everything it says, and my keys are working, but I keep getting a password prompt |
| 19:13.35 | summatusmentis | does anyone have any ideas? |
| 19:14.00 | halfhalo | what os are you sshing from? |
| 19:16.48 | summatusmentis | OS X |
| 19:17.04 | summatusmentis | just from Terminal.app |
| 19:19.41 | summatusmentis | halfhalo: ignore me, I'm stupid, my dyndns isn't updating |
| 19:30.04 | Marajin | summatusmentis: terminal.app is ohsobroken anyway |
| 19:30.12 | Marajin | use iterm at the minimum and that's hardly wonderful |
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| 20:10.31 | summatusmentis | Marajin: terminal.app works pretty well for me |
| 20:10.38 | summatusmentis | I've tried iterm and hated it |
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| 21:06.55 | Marajin | summatusmentis: I hate iterm but terminal.app has been buggy as hell through 3 versions of OS X and two completely different macs.... |
| 21:07.00 | Marajin | wait, no 3 different macs |
| 21:07.19 | SineOt | how so? |
| 21:07.20 | Marajin | powerbook g4-800, Intel Core Duo Mac Mini and an Intel Core 2 Duo iMac |
| 21:07.30 | SineOt | I can't say I've ever run into issue with it :x |
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| 21:07.34 | Marajin | SineOt: it suffers massively from rendering issues for me |
| 21:08.03 | Marajin | it'll fail to update things properly or completely mess up encoding |
| 21:08.11 | SineOt | weird |
| 21:08.22 | SineOt | what are you using/trying to do? I'll poke it here~ |
| 21:08.30 | Marajin | perhaps a peculiarity of my terminal sessions but PuTTY/iTerm/etc. just go perfectly |
| 21:08.46 | Marajin | well I tend to go terminal -> local shell -> ssh to my linux box -> screen session |
| 21:08.56 | SineOt | I've seen a few issues where lines get screwy but... It does the same thing on my Ubuntu netbook so I kind of think it's just universal that it sucks |
| 21:09.13 | Marajin | inside that screen session I have irssi, finch (ncurses pidgin) and a few telnet connections to MUDs and such |
| 21:09.28 | Marajin | it can't render finch properly worth a damn |
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| 22:00.16 | lordbah | Still looking for someone who can look into an EPR hang. |
| 22:00.39 | oilsworkn | rwhitby: ^ |
| 22:00.40 | oilsworkn | :) |
| 22:00.56 | oilsworkn | i would have done egaudet: ^ |
| 22:01.01 | oilsworkn | but he seems to be mia |
| 22:01.24 | lordbah | Vacation? |
| 22:01.39 | halfhalo | lol |
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| 22:02.35 | oilsworkn | idk, i haven't seen egaudet in weeks or so |
| 22:02.57 | oilsworkn | ive actually had a feature request for keyboss to tell him about the entire time! |
| 22:03.07 | halfhalo | hah |
| 22:03.41 | SineOt | lordbah: is it sitting at the end of the process and not doing anything? |
| 22:04.41 | lordbah | SineOt: Spinning at some point. ps shows "md5sum somenonexistentfile" running and not exiting. |
| 22:04.59 | SineOt | I just restarted at that point and it seemed to work fine |
| 22:05.09 | oilsworkn | lol |
| 22:05.15 | lordbah | http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=2712696#post2712696 |
| 22:05.27 | SineOt | "if it breaks I'll just doctor it!" *pulls the plug* |
| 22:05.48 | lordbah | I've restarted several times. |
| 22:05.54 | oilsworkn | is sad themes have never been made more better |
| 22:06.24 | SineOt | hm |
| 22:06.34 | halfhalo | thinks oil should start to work on them |
| 22:06.39 | SineOt | what are you running EPR to remove? |
| 22:06.43 | lordbah | This hang is weird, but it wouldn't happen except that something somewhere is pointing at a virtual-keyboard folder despite the fact I've run Cleanup VKB and removed any VK package I can find. |
| 22:07.29 | lordbah | I'm running EPR to prepare for installing the Advanced Configuration packages. |
| 22:07.37 | oilsworkn | ive only ever installed one theme, the l4d one i think, it was only on my pre for like 5 mins, lol |
| 22:08.08 | SineOt | you should be fine if that's what it's hanging on |
| 22:08.15 | SineOt | is it successfully removing all your patches? |
| 22:10.19 | Marajin | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:11.03 | lordbah | SineOt: List of Installed Packages doesn't show a Patches category. |
| 22:11.26 | SineOt | I'd say it's safe to assume that all of your patches have been removed then |
| 22:11.36 | SineOt | unless you can still access some of the patch features |
| 22:14.34 | lordbah | That's weird too. Wish I could remember the name of the launcher patch I had, because I can still orange+tap to bring up a menu with delete/rename/hide/move. I can Edit Launcher Pages. I can enter Edit Mode and hit + to add more launcher pages. etc. So that patch doesn't seem to be removed. |
| 22:15.21 | lordbah | Top bar patches are all still active. |
| 22:15.25 | Loudergood | maybe you should try to rebuild the preware db? |
| 22:16.10 | lordbah | How? |
| 22:16.32 | SineOt | Emergency Reconstruction Utility? I think? |
| 22:16.40 | SineOt | Something like that. Rebuilds the Preware database. |
| 22:16.44 | Loudergood | yeah I think that's it |
| 22:17.02 | lordbah | Will try that. |
| 22:17.19 | lordbah | I'm getting old, gotta get something with a much larger screen for my next phone. |
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| 22:18.52 | oilsworkn | mount a magnifying glass to the front of your phone |
| 22:19.04 | SineOt | "steam punk" |
| 22:19.14 | oilsworkn | lol |
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| 22:23.42 | lordbah | Ran ERU. Still no Patches category in Installed Packages. |
| 22:24.27 | oilsworkn | reboot, see if patches are still there? |
| 22:25.54 | lordbah | Power/Restart in progress. That takes like 10 minutes :-( |
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| 22:28.46 | oilsworkn | well, since it was just patches, a quicker luna restart would have also worked xD |
| 22:34.15 | lordbah | Patches are still functional, and Preware still doesn't see any of them. |
| 22:34.33 | oilsworkn | :/ |
| 22:34.51 | rwhitby | yep, sounds like you've destroyed the patch database |
| 22:37.44 | lordbah | Where does that live? |
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| 22:52.57 | lordbah | I was thinking to use Save/Restore and Doctor - but, do I want to NOT restore the Preware files? |
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| 22:58.50 | Tman | college is keeping me busy :> |
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| 23:13.14 | xcomp_ | if anyone's around ... I forgot the correct git url for dev commits. I need to push a fix for evas |
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| 23:20.00 | lordbah | Does a destroyed patch database mean it's time to run WebOS Doctor? |
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| 23:25.42 | rwhitby | that or webOS Repair Tool |
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| 23:28.33 | lordbah | rwhitby: Does a destroyed patch database mean it's time to run WebOS Doctor? Or is that kept in the area Dr doesn't touch any more? |
| 23:28.48 | rwhitby | run webOS Repair Tool |
| 23:29.02 | rwhitby | get your webOS files back to virgin state. then start again. |
| 23:29.07 | rwhitby | if all that is too hard, just doctor. |
| 23:30.10 | lordbah | "WebOS Repair Utility"? |
| 23:31.01 | rwhitby | yes |
| 23:33.17 | xcomp_ | rwhitby: forgot the git url for commits. I need to push a fix for evas. |
| 23:33.48 | rwhitby | xcomp_: git@git.webos-internals.org:preware/cross-compile.git |
| 23:34.30 | rwhitby | xcomp_: BTW, all that stuff has been broken for a lot of people for a long time now. |
| 23:34.51 | xcomp_ | thanks |
| 23:34.59 | xcomp_ | yeah I'm a bit confused by the new directory structure as well |
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| 23:35.47 | xcomp_ | i was going to try to rebuild everything and fix any issues |
| 23:35.54 | rwhitby | excellent. |
| 23:37.01 | xcomp_ | how is "make update" supposed to work with the new dir structure? |
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