| 00:00.08 | SineOt | I can only hope that Perian ends up on it again |
| 00:02.31 | destinal | also, really $99 for a netflix streamer with a really good UI that can rent other content isn't that bad |
| 00:03.34 | destinal | but I'm guessing that it's going to be possible to hack it to do lots of other stuff despite what apple wants |
| 00:03.35 | SineOt | and it can stream from iTunes, and I'm sure within a few weeks of its release will be figured out to stream from other sources |
| 00:03.57 | SineOt | it really depends just on how much space is available, and just how it decodes video |
| 00:04.09 | destinal | I just don't get this whole locked down limited use platform |
| 00:04.21 | SineOt | since there's no internal storage, if the built in OS takes up 99% of the file system then you don't have much space to play with |
| 00:04.22 | destinal | once upon a time things being able to do more stuff was a feature |
| 00:04.45 | SineOt | and if it uses something simple like a Broadcom H264 decoder on a chip, it might be hard to get other formats to play nicely on it |
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| 00:11.11 | Ted__ | Woargh. |
| 00:11.26 | Ted__ | Sorry, I needed to give up the computer for a moment. |
| 00:11.32 | Ted__ | THe new Nano looks redicules. |
| 00:12.51 | krushia_ | how the fuck does one confirm a friend request on facebook from the pre? |
| 00:13.05 | SineOt | I couldn't figure that out either |
| 00:13.12 | SineOt | I just loaded it up in the browser and did it through there |
| 00:13.28 | krushia_ | browser not even working |
| 00:13.47 | krushia_ | i get "form has expired" |
| 00:13.50 | SineOt | what site are you using? touch.facebook.com or x.facebook.com? |
| 00:14.04 | krushia_ | x i think |
| 00:14.09 | SineOt | try touch |
| 00:14.10 | krushia_ | will try touch |
| 00:14.30 | Ted__ | I doubtle sleep button and my pre restarted wtf |
| 00:14.32 | Ted__ | lol |
| 00:15.10 | SineOt | yeah sometimes that happens, my Pixi does it took |
| 00:15.12 | SineOt | too |
| 00:15.20 | krushia_ | same problem with touch |
| 00:15.41 | krushia_ | i think i have cache aids or something |
| 00:15.45 | Ted__ | Okay, just so I idn't break anything xD |
| 00:17.00 | SineOt | krushia_: you try clearing the cache? |
| 00:17.12 | krushia_ | just did, no luck |
| 00:17.30 | krushia_ | might bea patch issue |
| 00:19.33 | SineOt | Maybe |
| 00:19.37 | SineOt | or just facebook being facebook |
| 00:21.32 | krushia_ | anyway, how difficult is it to shrink the usb partition and grow root partition? |
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| 00:22.57 | Ted__ | So, anyone's thoughts on the new iTouch? |
| 00:23.02 | SineOt | why would you need to do that? |
| 00:23.17 | krushia_ | because my root is full |
| 00:23.22 | SineOt | Ted__: it's cool, I suppose. I like that it has the Retina display |
| 00:23.31 | krushia_ | cuz i'm awesome |
| 00:24.06 | Ted__ | Well, my headphone jack just died in my touch |
| 00:24.13 | Ted__ | So I'm looking into getting a new on |
| 00:24.16 | Ted__ | one* |
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| 00:29.49 | Ted__ | Well, guys. I'm off! Thanks again for all the help! I can't say it enough, you're life savers. |
| 00:32.24 | rwhitby | krushia_: if your root partition is full, then you are doing something very wrong |
| 00:32.41 | krushia_ | not really |
| 00:32.48 | krushia_ | im using linux |
| 00:32.50 | rwhitby | krushia_: cause well-written homebrew does not install more than a couple of Kb total on the rootfs |
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| 00:33.31 | krushia_ | need space for building |
| 00:33.42 | krushia_ | sources and such |
| 00:34.00 | krushia_ | plus link support |
| 00:34.02 | rwhitby | again, don't do it on the root partition |
| 00:34.14 | rwhitby | use the meta-doctor to create a new ext3 partition of what ever size you want |
| 00:36.31 | krushia_ | pft |
| 00:37.08 | krushia_ | i hate the concept of using a second computer |
| 00:38.08 | rwhitby | you create the ext3 partition on the device, not the desktop |
| 00:38.41 | rwhitby | taking space from the media partition |
| 00:38.43 | krushia_ | what wecould really use is the ability to boot to a fb terminal |
| 00:39.19 | rwhitby | agreed. what design do you have in mind? |
| 00:40.09 | rwhitby | I'd suggest you look at getting kexec working first, then you can do a second stage bootloader in linux |
| 00:40.40 | rwhitby | add an initramfs with a simple menu for console or luna |
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| 00:43.05 | krushia_ | what bugs me is being tied to .24 kernel. its increasingly difficult to backport to it. how many binary modules are keeping us stuck here? |
| 00:44.27 | rwhitby | wifi & graphics |
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| 00:49.43 | chrisA | trust me, we know the backporting sucks |
| 00:49.59 | jhojho | it makes me sad to see no new kernel |
| 00:50.35 | SineOt | wouldn't that be the type of change that could get slipped in with a 2.0 release? does anyone know? |
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| 01:05.29 | krushia_ | is it possible to disable the gesture area? various games have controls dangerously close to it, gets annoying. i envision a service that disables gestures when keyboard is closed on pre |
| 01:05.58 | tonyhorse | Does anyone know how to stop SMS messages showing up on the lock screen? |
| 01:06.34 | chrisA | tonyhorse: screen and lock, there's a setting |
| 01:06.56 | tonyhorse | Hi chris, I've looked there but there doesn't seem to be one. Any idea what it's called? |
| 01:07.08 | chrisA | Something related to showing notifications when locked |
| 01:07.10 | SineOt | it's like "Display while Locked" |
| 01:07.21 | tonyhorse | ohhh |
| 01:07.31 | SineOt | Yeah, "Show when Locked" |
| 01:07.32 | tonyhorse | but that then won't show anything |
| 01:07.43 | bpadalino | chrisA: how did your summer end up? worthwhile? |
| 01:07.52 | tonyhorse | how will I know when a text has been received? |
| 01:08.09 | SineOt | It'll flash the gesture area. |
| 01:08.42 | tonyhorse | ah ok. Surprised there isn't a patch to allow you to choose what appears as the notifications |
| 01:09.53 | SineOt | I think there might be? |
| 01:10.01 | SineOt | Called like Text Message Privacy or something |
| 01:10.07 | SineOt | it still shows it, just blocks out the content blurb |
| 01:10.15 | chrisA | bpadalino: it's weird, ask later |
| 01:11.29 | tonyhorse | Sine0t - oh yeah? Where abouts? |
| 01:11.58 | SineOt | somewhere in Preware, I think? |
| 01:12.08 | tonyhorse | ok I'll check..... |
| 01:12.10 | SineOt | dunno, just check out the list of everything and put in privacy, I'm sure it'll pop up somewhere |
| 01:14.36 | bpadalino | chrisA: you got it, boss |
| 01:15.20 | tonyhorse | Sine0t: Messaging Privacy it's callled. Thanks! |
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| 01:28.29 | SineOt | sconix: your patches are awesome, just so you know. <3 |
| 01:33.39 | dgathright | Soooo.... who wants to build an HDR camera app? :) http://www.cultofmac.com/eye-popping-hdr-photography-now-standard-on-iphone/57433 |
| 01:33.55 | SineOt | you know, I don't know if this would even be possible, but: Is there a way to unlock video play back so that you can rotate the phone the -other- way too? |
| 01:35.37 | SineOt | it's fine on the Pre, since if it's closed it's basically symmetrical, but on the Pixi... Sometimes I want to watch it with the keyboard on the left, not on the right :p |
| 01:40.16 | SineOt | egaudet: oops, found a bug in -10! if you open the Sym menu with the Pixi in landscape, it distorts all weird |
| 01:40.58 | jhojho | dgathright: that would be fantastic |
| 01:41.26 | jhojho | heck if the next webos phone managed to output RAW, i would be impressed/happy |
| 01:43.23 | SineOt | do any phones right now output RAW? |
| 01:48.45 | bpadalino | how raw is raw ? |
| 01:48.57 | SineOt | it's burn the skin off your knuckles raw |
| 01:49.07 | bpadalino | bayer filter still applied ? |
| 01:49.30 | SineOt | egaudet: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/469264/messaging_2010-01-09_184105.png screen capture of what I'm talking about |
| 01:49.58 | jhojho | no phones that i know of now capture RAW |
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| 01:50.39 | egaudet | noted, thanks |
| 01:51.05 | jhojho | there is this ... http://teavuihuang.com/dng/ |
| 01:51.50 | jhojho | it would be nice if webos2.0 came with a barcode reader api too =) |
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| 01:52.02 | SineOt | it would need an auto focus cam first ;P |
| 01:53.17 | bpadalino | write it in node |
| 01:55.45 | jhojho | bpadalino: are you volunteering? =) |
| 01:56.04 | bpadalino | i wrote an SDL wrapper for the stuff in C++ for zxing .. |
| 01:56.10 | bpadalino | but the camera was pretty weak |
| 01:56.31 | SineOt | hm! speaking of SDL. Does SDL work properly with 1.4.5 on the Pixi now? |
| 01:56.39 | bpadalino | give it a shot? |
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| 02:08.47 | jhojho | bpadalino: still. |
| 02:08.58 | jhojho | were the images captured usable? |
| 02:13.34 | bpadalino | no |
| 02:13.45 | bpadalino | too blurry - couldn't focus appropriately |
| 02:13.59 | bpadalino | was too small to discern when held far away |
| 02:16.02 | jhojho | wonder if we could mod the lens |
| 02:16.06 | jhojho | so that it would work |
| 02:16.52 | jhojho | http://www.diyphotography.net/super-macro-your-cellphone-camera-with-a-dvd-lens |
| 02:18.48 | bpadalino | most lkely |
| 02:18.50 | bpadalino | likely rather |
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| 03:25.51 | SineOt | jhojho: I've done that before |
| 03:26.25 | SineOt | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/469264/PIXI2010-08-25-191652.jpg although it really depends on the lense. Some of them are SUPER MACRO |
| 03:26.51 | SineOt | That's the artist's signature on a penny |
| 03:49.56 | jamesklyne | impressive |
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| 05:31.29 | StoneRyno | doh I was hoping swisstomcat was on |
| 05:32.10 | ka6sox-work | no such luck |
| 05:38.03 | StoneRyno | we were going over my attempt to use drawer widgits (18 of them) inside titled lists for a help scene. I wasn't sure how to simplify the code. From the samples in the SDK it was looking like I was going to have to have 18 setup widgits and 18 listeners and 18 procedures. I made the changes to the html from the suggestions last night but I'm still confused on the JS part of the code. I'm doing something wrong because the d |
| 05:39.53 | StoneRyno | we also talked about the possibility of using templates but I think I'm still confused on how to redo it to go that route |
| 05:40.16 | StoneRyno | as you can see I'm still green at coding for webOS |
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| 06:02.17 | rwhitby | StoneRyno: swisstomcat arrives later usually |
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| 06:08.16 | Robi_ | en0x: spaz has something wrong, eats a lot of mem and slows down the phone.. leaks somewhere |
| 06:08.53 | Robi_ | rwhitby: thoughts on a skip feed download button/key press option? |
| 06:09.16 | rwhitby | Robi_: set download to "ask" |
| 06:17.15 | StoneRyno | I may stop in later again, I just posted for help on the palm dev forum too |
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| 06:56.56 | Robi_ | rwhitby: too many clicks.. it's only sometimes that you need to skip it, and usually want to d/l |
| 06:58.09 | rwhitby | trouble is that you will have already overwritten half the feeds, and will end up with loading corrupted feeds |
| 06:58.35 | Robi_ | why does it keep overwriting? |
| 06:59.23 | rwhitby | it will have overwritten half the feeds - you won't have a consistent data set when you get into Preware |
| 07:00.15 | Robi_ | doesn't apt just check timestamps or some incremental number in a file before downloading any pkg lists? |
| 07:00.36 | rwhitby | this isn't apt |
| 07:01.09 | Robi_ | well dpkg ~ ipkg |
| 07:01.42 | Robi_ | ok so its a limitation of the repo & pkg mgr |
| 07:04.07 | Robi_ | so if networking fails during d/l, feeds corrupt? |
| 07:04.34 | Robi_ | isn't a temp file used for the d/l? |
| 07:05.29 | Robi_ | anyone planning on coming to node.js conference? |
| 07:10.29 | rwhitby | yes, if networking fails during d/l, feeds corrupt, courtesy of ipkg |
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| 15:42.13 | Mnoble | i need help |
| 15:44.26 | Mnoble | i had to run webos doctor yester day and now when i try to in stall preware it says cannot connect to package feed: http:ipkgpreware.org/feeds/precentral/Packages |
| 15:44.43 | en0x | lies! |
| 15:44.45 | en0x | ;] |
| 15:44.58 | ka6sox4 | Mnoble, http://ipkg.preware.org |
| 15:45.32 | egaudet | what is it? |
| 15:45.41 | egaudet | "it" says |
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| 15:46.23 | en0x | ur sister ;P |
| 15:47.12 | Mnoble | page wont load................ |
| 15:47.34 | egaudet | http://install.preware.org |
| 15:49.24 | ka6sox4 | oh..thats an interesting error. |
| 15:49.44 | halfhalo | Hah |
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| 15:50.49 | Mnoble | quick install is already loaded it just wont let me connect to package feed |
| 15:51.21 | egaudet | Use palm-install |
| 15:51.23 | egaudet | SDK |
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| 16:00.19 | mnoble | Thanks for your help!! |
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| 16:52.15 | HattCzech_work | what type of problems might i see if i tried to doctor my att phone with a sprint rom? |
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| 22:30.24 | jeffgus | Mousey, did you sign up for early access to the palm sdk? |
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| 22:37.39 | ka6sox-work | r0d3nt! |
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| 22:38.47 | lemketron | anyone know if there's a vnc serveravailable that runs on webOS? |
| 22:39.23 | chrisA | hi steve |
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| 23:44.23 | Kyumobile | sconix: I'm having some trouble with your patch. I don't think it likes that I meta-doctored. I get error at firstuse.appinfo.json |
| 23:45.20 | sconix | ah yes thats true, did not think of that |
| 23:45.31 | sconix | you could always just restore that file so then patch would install just fine |
| 23:47.10 | Kyumobile | how do I restore? set visible to false? |
| 23:47.16 | sconix | yes |
| 23:51.02 | Kyumobile | do I need to restart luna before trying again? It doesn't seem t take it. |
| 23:51.56 | sconix | what do you mean not take it? |
| 23:52.04 | sconix | no luna restart should be necessary |
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| 23:54.51 | Kyumobile | I edited the file to change visible to false and it's still rejecting at the firstuse/appinfo.json |
| 23:55.11 | sconix | at least by looking at the meta-doctor patch that is all that it edits |
| 23:55.41 | Sledge007 | hello does someone have the time to help me get the prevent log uploads patch on? I have it downloaded to my phone but can't remember where to send it to |
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| 23:58.07 | Sledge007 | nm I figured it out :) |
