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| 00:03.00 | halfhalo_pre | mmmmmmm |
| 00:03.03 | halfhalo_pre | outback |
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| 00:44.38 | semprance | hi |
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| 01:04.17 | semprance | does anyone know what the default character set is in webos? |
| 01:07.02 | en0x | i believe it's utf8 |
| 01:18.04 | semprance | ok thanks |
| 01:18.11 | semprance | I kept reading that it was ISO-8859-1 |
| 01:23.08 | dtzWill | Super Nintendo Emulator, SuperNES now available in the testing feeds: http://bit.ly/SuperNES-WebOS |
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| 01:33.21 | SineOt | PuffTheMagic, en0x: weird. Tethering -does- work. It just... Says that it doesn't on the Pre. ?? |
| 01:44.41 | rwhitby | Anyone up for some Preware alpha testing? |
| 01:45.11 | SineOt | sure! |
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| 01:46.50 | rwhitby | First, go into your Device Info app, and check the Default Applications screen in the app menu |
| 01:47.20 | rwhitby | Look for an entry for IPK - it should be directly after the .HTML entry |
| 01:47.23 | SineOt | Okay. |
| 01:47.33 | rwhitby | tell me what it says there |
| 01:47.51 | SineOt | First: Do I need an alpha version of Preware? |
| 01:48.47 | Robi_ | dtzWill: woot! |
| 01:49.40 | rwhitby | SineOt: no, just normal Preware, public version to start |
| 01:50.07 | SineOt | on my Pixi running 1.4.5 there isn't an IPK entry in the default apps in Device Info |
| 01:50.08 | dtzWill | Robi_: woot indeed :) :D |
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| 01:51.38 | Robi_ | rwhitby: IPK = Internalz |
| 01:51.52 | rwhitby | excellent. Both follow along then. |
| 01:52.09 | SineOt | that would probably do it, I've never had Internalz installed |
| 01:52.13 | Robi_ | INI is in between tho |
| 01:52.15 | rwhitby | In the Preware testing feeds, you will find Preware 1.2.9 - please update to it from inside Preware |
| 01:52.35 | SineOt | oh, well there it is. updating right now |
| 01:53.08 | rwhitby | close the default applications screen. when you've updated Preware, don't reboot or restart, just open the default applications screen again. |
| 01:53.09 | Robi_ | at 1GHz, at once |
| 01:53.50 | Robi_ | ok it quit |
| 01:54.10 | rwhitby | yep, that's expectedd |
| 01:54.32 | Robi_ | ok that was slow |
| 01:54.43 | Robi_ | now IPK entry is clickable and Preware selectable |
| 01:55.03 | SineOt | I'm not seeing a an IPK entry here |
| 01:55.30 | SineOt | although I might have run into another bug D: I hit update all and it updated both a patch and Preware without prompting for a Luna restart |
| 01:56.05 | Robi_ | swipe back in device info then default apps again |
| 01:56.05 | SineOt | brb, picking up some carry out for dinner |
| 01:56.28 | rwhitby | Robi_: ok, thanks - yours worked as expected |
| 01:56.42 | Robi_ | rwhitby: so this will help with downloads? |
| 01:56.47 | rwhitby | yes |
| 01:56.57 | rwhitby | browser, email, ... |
| 01:57.09 | Robi_ | what about when one is browsing the fs with internals |
| 01:57.25 | Robi_ | z |
| 01:57.54 | rwhitby | depends what internalz does |
| 01:58.05 | Robi_ | .log option for lumberjack? |
| 01:58.08 | rwhitby | but you should install ipks with Preware anywa |
| 01:58.44 | Robi_ | couldn't from local fs, right? |
| 01:58.58 | rwhitby | "Install Package" menu item |
| 01:59.07 | rwhitby | been there for a while now |
| 01:59.09 | Robi_ | or will it accept root paths |
| 01:59.25 | rwhitby | It has a browser |
| 01:59.32 | Robi_ | k |
| 02:00.20 | rwhitby | Seems like I need to sack my PR manager if you thought that Internalz could install stand-alone ipkgs but Preware couldn't, especially when Preware could do it first. |
| 02:00.35 | Robi_ | no no |
| 02:00.49 | halfhalo | who's pr |
| 02:00.53 | Robi_ | ^ |
| 02:00.59 | Robi_ | :P |
| 02:01.01 | halfhalo | I blame oil |
| 02:01.04 | dtzWill | rwhitby: lol |
| 02:01.27 | dtzWill | those responsible have been sacked |
| 02:01.27 | Robi_ | halfhalo: you give oil way too much credit |
| 02:01.35 | halfhalo | he deserves it |
| 02:01.37 | oil | gets blamed for everything |
| 02:01.54 | dtzWill | those responsible for sacking the people who have just been sacked have been sacked |
| 02:01.57 | halfhalo | does most of the blaming |
| 02:01.57 | Robi_ | oil: you're a slippery bugger, it's ok |
| 02:01.58 | halfhalo | lol |
| 02:02.26 | oil | halfhalo: jhojho blames me all the time, too |
| 02:02.29 | Robi_ | dtzWill: sounds like sack virtualization |
| 02:02.57 | halfhalo | hmmm |
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| 02:05.49 | Robi_ | i sure hope palm decides to clean up the errors from the logs |
| 02:05.58 | oil | lol |
| 02:06.26 | Robi_ | i'll call that effort NITZ |
| 02:07.30 | Robi_ | does turning dev mode off quell some of these? |
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| 02:10.42 | Robi_ | ooooh, com.palm.app.devmodeswitcher palmInitFramerwork347 |
| 02:11.22 | Robi_ | new slogan, save some battery, uninstall PBU. |
| 02:11.51 | rwhitby | I've been warning about the app for some time now. |
| 02:12.01 | oil | pbu? |
| 02:12.17 | Mercury | PBU? |
| 02:12.36 | Robi_ | pre backup utility |
| 02:12.54 | bougyman | is that any different from rsyncing / ? |
| 02:13.09 | Robi_ | yes |
| 02:13.12 | rwhitby | bougyman: yes, it unsafely tries to restore stuff |
| 02:13.20 | bougyman | rwhitby: hrm. |
| 02:13.26 | bougyman | so rsyncing / is safer or less safe? |
| 02:13.40 | bougyman | that's what i've done for like a year. |
| 02:13.55 | rwhitby | any method of saving is fine. it's the restore which is the problem |
| 02:14.06 | bougyman | right, i've restored 3 times |
| 02:14.10 | bougyman | never had a prob a reboot didn't fix. |
| 02:14.14 | Robi_ | db restore probs because of just using cp |
| 02:14.39 | Robi_ | need export script instead |
| 02:14.40 | rwhitby | bougyman: did all your synergy entries line up with your palm profile? |
| 02:14.54 | bougyman | i have no idea how to answer that |
| 02:15.04 | bougyman | my phone still works. |
| 02:15.21 | rwhitby | many people report that PBU screws their synergy databse |
| 02:15.23 | SineOt | okay, sorry about that |
| 02:15.37 | SineOt | but checking a few times now, 1.2.9 there's still no IPK entry |
| 02:16.04 | rwhitby | SineOt: try a luna restart first, and if that doesn't work, try a reboot. |
| 02:16.08 | SineOt | oka |
| 02:16.27 | halfhalo | just link windows! |
| 02:17.02 | rwhitby | I suspect the initial extension->mimeType is cached somewhere, whereas the mimeType->application choices are reloaded when you reopen the Default Applications window |
| 02:27.26 | rwhitby | SineOt: any luck? |
| 02:40.19 | SineOt | nope |
| 02:40.30 | SineOt | Luna restart: nothing, full restart: nothing |
| 02:42.06 | Robi_ | rwhitby: i just had to gesture back, re-enter default apps from dev info app menu |
| 02:43.04 | rwhitby | SineOt: weird |
| 02:43.16 | SineOt | rwhitby: I'm going to try a full shut down and power on |
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| 02:46.58 | SineOt | hm, yeah, still nothing |
| 02:47.06 | SineOt | I'm going to install Internalz and see if that adds it |
| 02:47.50 | SineOt | if it doesn't, I'm going to assume that it's Palm being lazy with feature parity between the Pre and the Pixi on another weird feature |
| 02:48.20 | Robi_ | hmm, can we make this linux ver work - http://www.scottastraughan.com/sms2pc/ |
| 02:49.21 | SineOt | rwhitby: double weird |
| 02:49.41 | SineOt | installing Internalz added the entry, and I'm able to select Preware as an option for IPK |
| 02:49.55 | rwhitby | hmm |
| 02:50.00 | SineOt | I don't think Preware is creating the IPK entry properly |
| 02:50.06 | SineOt | but is registering itself as an option |
| 02:50.19 | Robi_ | bingo |
| 02:50.35 | rwhitby | it's one call that does both |
| 02:50.43 | SineOt | hm |
| 02:50.55 | Robi_ | Internalz as a prereq is not a good sign |
| 02:51.06 | SineOt | I don't see what could cause Internalz to properly create the IPK entry where Preware couldn't though |
| 02:51.12 | SineOt | I can select Preware as the default app |
| 02:51.43 | rwhitby | I tested it on a device which does not have Internalz installed, and it worked fine |
| 02:51.59 | SineOt | A Pre I'd assume? :p |
| 02:52.05 | rwhitby | yes |
| 02:52.25 | Robi_ | there a pixi emu? |
| 02:52.34 | SineOt | how can I go about starting from as close to scratch with this as I can? Uninstall Internalz, un install Preware, reinstall 1.2.9 via WebOS Quick Install? |
| 02:52.52 | SineOt | Robi_: yes, but all it does is take the Pre emu and change the screen size :I |
| 02:53.01 | SineOt | it doesn't account for the weird little things the Pixi does |
| 02:53.03 | Robi_ | uninstalling may not remove the changes |
| 02:53.07 | rwhitby | SineOt: you won't be able to remove the entries |
| 02:53.25 | SineOt | so I'd have to doctor if I wanted to start fresh with testing this? |
| 02:53.34 | rwhitby | (it will look like they are removed, but the extension->mimeType mapping will still be there behind the scenes) |
| 02:53.40 | Robi_ | has anyone tried doctoring the emu with a pixi image? |
| 02:53.57 | rwhitby | SineOt: yes |
| 02:54.16 | SineOt | oh, it looks like Palm finally fixed lsmod on the Pixi! It actually shows something now lol |
| 02:54.33 | SineOt | I might give it a shot later tonight then rwhitby |
| 02:54.51 | SineOt | I guess I'm kind of lucky in that I have a phone that if need be I can get replaced even if I manage to bust it horribly :p |
| 02:55.11 | SineOt | The Pixi keyboard > Pre keyboard... Except when it comes to the backlight. I've had the left side die twice on me now |
| 02:55.19 | halfhalo | h |
| 02:55.25 | rwhitby | I need someone else to test it |
| 02:55.49 | SineOt | I sadly only know a lot of people with Pre/Pre+ |
| 02:55.57 | SineOt | which both will probably work fine |
| 02:56.39 | rwhitby | I doubt it's a Pixi-specific problem |
| 02:57.04 | Robi_ | hmm SMS2PC is a .jar in linux |
| 02:57.12 | Robi_ | oil, check it out :P |
| 02:57.44 | SineOt | there's a ton of weird Pixi-specific problems though |
| 02:57.58 | SineOt | lsmod for the longest time didn't run (and made figuring out what modules were loaded an ass) |
| 02:58.11 | SineOt | PDK apps if they're a hybrid Mojo/PDK app will just silently crash |
| 02:59.01 | oil | hm? |
| 02:59.10 | SineOt | hey oil |
| 03:00.11 | SineOt | rwhitby: I'll doctor it in a bit and try again, see if it turns out differently |
| 03:00.29 | rwhitby | SineOt: ok, thanks. |
| 03:02.57 | SineOt | maybe it'll help with my tethering oddities too, lol |
| 03:13.57 | SineOt | en0x: ping |
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| 04:20.35 | SineOt | rwhitby: you still there? it's doctoring right now, I'll check Preware 1.2.9 in a bit |
| 04:21.08 | SineOt | do you have a link to 1.2.9's .ipk that I can install through WebOS Quick Install? dunno where it's actually hosted :s |
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| 04:33.21 | rwhitby | SineOt: ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/armv7/ |
| 04:33.36 | oil | quick install has a feed browser :/ |
| 04:33.54 | halfhalo | ewww |
| 04:33.56 | halfhalo | qi |
| 04:34.09 | rwhitby | oil: it often doesn't work though ;) |
| 04:35.06 | SineOt | but it doesn't list the testing feeds |
| 04:35.12 | SineOt | I don't think |
| 04:35.39 | rwhitby | SineOt: but you want to install the public version first, and then upgrade |
| 04:36.01 | SineOt | oh! okay, my mistake then |
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| 04:41.03 | Robi_ | rwhitby: hows the success rate so far? |
| 04:41.35 | rwhitby | Robi_: 100% on the three devices I've tested it on |
| 04:42.04 | Robi_ | we know that. how about others |
| 04:43.47 | SineOt | ugh, I forgot about how Synergy links for contacts aren't stored in the Palm Profile :/ |
| 04:51.11 | oil | doesn't link any contacts |
| 04:51.15 | oil | they're all from a single source |
| 04:51.37 | SineOt | I have to link stuff like AIM accounts :/ |
| 04:51.51 | SineOt | it'll figure out like half of them, no idea how, but leave the other half unlinked |
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| 05:30.40 | SineOt | okay, took long enough but I finally have Preware 1.3 installed, rwhitby |
| 05:31.41 | SineOt | huh, yeah it seems to work now after doctoring |
| 05:31.46 | SineOt | no idea why it wouldn't before |
| 05:38.22 | Robi_ | fooba-er-fixed |
| 05:40.59 | SineOt | you know thinking about it I'm going to bet that it was because I was using the old leaked Sprint 1.4.5 build |
| 05:41.07 | SineOt | and that there was just something funky with it |
| 05:53.12 | PuffTheMagic | SineOt, yes i have notice that |
| 05:53.15 | PuffTheMagic | wow |
| 05:53.26 | SineOt | noticed what |
| 05:53.34 | PuffTheMagic | i am so drunik right now, and tying so laborious |
| 05:53.46 | SineOt | haha |
| 05:54.03 | SineOt | what are we noticing? the auth error even if tethering is working fine? |
| 05:54.25 | PuffTheMagic | sprint dont want u to tether |
| 05:54.38 | PuffTheMagic | so there is confilcting software |
| 05:54.56 | PuffTheMagic | and freethether wins most of the time |
| 05:54.58 | SineOt | isn't the point of the IPtable masquerade stuff to make all the data appear as if it's originating from the phone though? |
| 05:55.05 | SineOt | oh |
| 05:55.05 | PuffTheMagic | i think the NAT shit is broke |
| 05:55.11 | SineOt | so you're saying that like |
| 05:55.20 | SineOt | just connecting a computer to bluetooth will trip the auth error? |
| 05:55.25 | SineOt | regardless of anything else going on? |
| 05:55.30 | PuffTheMagic | yeah' |
| 05:55.43 | SineOt | that makes sense |
| 05:55.45 | PuffTheMagic | that is expectected i belive |
| 05:56.07 | PuffTheMagic | more people have used mobile hotspot w/ freetherther than i have |
| 05:56.38 | SineOt | yeah, I can't use mobile hotspot since what I need is BT and apparently MHS can't do that |
| 05:56.49 | SineOt | so I've been using Freetether/freetetherd |
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| 16:04.31 | cajun | It seems to REALLY slow down loading of Preware, even after the feeds have all been updated. I have them set to update only once daily. |
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| 18:29.54 | twbbas | Heh, I just got back from my local sprint store and the Pixi on display had Preware installed! Lol |
| 18:30.08 | twbbas | You can only install that from a computer, right? |
| 18:47.34 | PuffTheMagic | haha |
| 18:47.39 | PuffTheMagic | thats awesome |
| 18:55.24 | Darkmagister | i have a problem with the update or remove of Multi Mod patch ... http://pastebin.com/GWHVczGh |
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| 19:17.48 | noradtux_ | ~seen rwhitby |
| 19:18.01 | infobot | rwhitby is currently on #webos-internals #oe #meego #nslu2-linux, last said: 'Robi_: 100% on the three devices I've tested it on'. |
| 19:18.34 | noradtux | rwhitby: ping |
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| 19:59.11 | SineOt | ugh, this is going to be a nightmare to figure out |
| 19:59.35 | SineOt | After doctoring and restoring with Save/Restore, sconix's System Menu Mods is completely wonky :C |
| 20:00.21 | SineOt | Anyone have any ideas where to start looking? Have a feeling it's something to do with the Launcher prefs that Save/Restore put in place |
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| 20:39.18 | SineOt | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/469264/Unknown_2010-28-08_133630.png :'( |
| 20:40.21 | Yoppo | SineOt: do you use some locale? |
| 20:40.36 | Yoppo | I mean do you have some other language set than english? |
| 20:40.39 | SineOt | Just stock english. |
| 20:41.19 | Yoppo | Ah its the date as carrier string that does that |
| 20:41.49 | SineOt | Really? How weird. It worked fine before :o |
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| 20:48.21 | SineOt | Mmm, nope. Still screwed up |
| 20:51.25 | Yoppo | in which way |
| 20:52.04 | SineOt | Even if I change what is displayed in the edit menu, the menu itself still only displays what I showed in the screen shot above |
| 20:52.49 | SineOt | So I can't edit it |
| 20:53.11 | SineOt | I think it has something to do with using Save/Restore to restore my launcher after I doctored it last night to test the Preware alphas |
| 20:54.30 | SineOt | Like right now I have it said to hide everything, but instead it's showing everything :/ |
| 20:55.28 | SineOt | There we go D: |
| 20:55.38 | SineOt | I restored again from Save/Restore and it seems to have fixed itself |
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| 22:12.11 | Robi_ | how is angry birds pdk ? |
| 22:14.58 | rwhitby | Robi_: I'm on level 6-1 ;) |
| 22:15.22 | rwhitby | actually, make that 5-10 |
| 22:22.47 | Robi_ | rwhitby: paid version levels are diff from lite version levels |
| 22:23.13 | Robi_ | i did manage 2 more 3star runs last night, have 3 left |
| 22:24.13 | Robi_ | so how isit pdk vs sdk |
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| 23:31.12 | Robi_ | the advanced launcher prefs is neat |
| 23:36.35 | SineOt | yeah it is |
| 23:36.51 | SineOt | I just wish I could use the Glass Effect patch with it |
| 23:37.02 | sconix | you can |
| 23:37.07 | sconix | it installs just fine when I tried |
| 23:37.40 | SineOt | hmm! |
| 23:39.28 | SineOt | well I'll be |
| 23:39.48 | SineOt | I saw it didn't work and uninstalled the patch, never thought to reinstall it (which makes it work) |
| 23:41.28 | sconix | there was a version for short period time that did not work with it :) |
| 23:41.40 | SineOt | let me guess: .47? XD |
| 23:41.44 | sconix | yep... |
| 23:41.55 | SineOt | that's probably what it was then |
| 23:42.09 | SineOt | you write some awesome patches, sconix <3 |
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| 23:42.23 | sconix | well I try :) |
| 23:42.56 | lion_ | i don't have preware in my list to install in webosdoctor. What should i do? |
| 23:43.58 | SineOt | you mean WebOS Quick Install? |
| 23:47.23 | SineOt | sconix: I'll happily run any insane hacky bits of code you can come up with if it means ModeSwitcher will run in the background on the Pixi btw ;P |
| 23:48.21 | sconix | well I am kinda hoping that upcoming WebOS versions make it possible, and so far as I know there is no hack that could do that now |
| 23:49.14 | SineOt | yeah |
| 23:49.29 | SineOt | It's probably something tied into the whole Hybrid PDK app thingy that the Pixi has issue with right now |
