IRC log for #webos-internals on 20100808

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00:35.54eliaspis there any way to edit /etc/passwd? accidentally messed it up (set wrong/nonexisting shell for root) and now neither terminal nor SSH work anymore..
00:36.07eliaspInternalz provides only a viewer for textfiles
00:40.33bpadalinonovaterm will give you a root shell automatically i am pretty sure
00:45.12eliaspbpadalino: ok, thx... it actually worked using novaterm + sed ...
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00:45.23bpadalinoneat
00:45.47eliaspbtw: does anyone know whether there's a vim or at least nano/pico for WebOS available somewhere?
00:45.59eliaspthat's one of the basic system utilities i'm still missing
00:46.34eliaspcat/sed/awk does mostly the job, but i have to confess: i feel that vim is more comfortable ;)
00:48.02bpadalinovi should be on there as a busybox executable
00:48.31eliaspah, was looking for vim all the time... ok.. still better than cat/sed/awk :)
00:52.43eliaspmy next item on the WebOS TODO list: i'd really love to have also support for CalDAV/CardDAV/GroupDAV in Synergy...  does anyone know, if the current Synergy plugins (Google, Exchange, Yahoo) are available somewhere in the filesystem as .so, so i could use them for some basic reverse-engineering?
00:52.56eliaspcouldn't find anything usable yet ;(
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01:01.56Mark_MDamn, my phone just reset itself.  Now I am reinstalling the applications.
01:02.17Mark_MMy patches are still installed but the directories are gone.  What should I do?
01:04.26bpadalinoeliasp: i believe the google/exchange stuff is in java classes .. which are soon to be replaced by other stuff
01:04.49eliaspMark_M: that's why i'm just setting up rsnapshot... killed my data 2 weeks ago when trying to use /dev/mapper/store-media as a boot-record for my laptop... ;-/
01:04.53bpadalinocheck the jars and get jd-gui for decompiling the class files in the jars
01:05.35eliaspbpadalino: ok, this helps me a lot, thx!
01:05.45bpadalinon
01:05.46bpadalinonp
01:05.50Mark_MI'm going to have to schedule regular rsync backups
01:06.14Mark_MI wrote a script to do it from my Linux box automatically, but I never turned it on.
01:06.49Mark_MIt seems that most of the apps except the WebOS-Internals ones are coming back
01:07.03eliaspbpadalino: what will be used as a replacement for the Java stuff? plain C?
01:07.09Mark_MI'm missing wIRC, Internalz, and terminal as far as I can tell
01:07.22bpadalinoeliasp: i believe node.js event loop IO
01:07.49Mark_MI'm flustered on how to recover the patches.  The apps are patched, but the directories are gone.
01:08.20Mark_MI don't see Rod on yet
01:08.23Mark_Mtoo early probably
01:08.23eliaspoh, ok... even such lowlevel stuff as Exchange integration etc? i'd never thought this could be done properly in JS...
01:08.40Mark_MSo much for working on my app tonight!
01:09.13bpadalinoeliasp: node.js is an interesting project where you give JS IO capabilities and http is very much built in ..
01:09.14bpadalinokind of neat
01:09.44Mark_MI think I'm going to write an app that will start an rsync push backup from the Pre to the cloud.  Well actually a Linux box with ssh and rsyncd.
01:09.52eliasphmm, i'll have to take a look at this... is this planned for WebOS 2.0, so node.js isn't really usable yet in 1.4.5, right?
01:10.16bpadalinonot in 1.4.5, but in the next major update afterwards .. the fall update .. whichever one that ends up being
01:11.30eliaspMark_M: that'd be nice... the problem of my current setup is, that rsnapshot is triggered by my backup-server and this only works, if the Pré is not "sleeping" .. so if it was a device-centric trigger, this would be better as the backup could be just triggered at a time, when the device is awake the next time within your planned backup timeframe...
01:11.42eliaspbpadalino: ok, great
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01:13.01Mark_Meliasp I would use at or the Pre to schedule a backup time and initiate the connection to the server either via USB or a network connection.
01:14.32eliasphmm, seems the Synergy stuff is spread among a lot of different JARs... let's see what i'll find in them...  http://pastebin.com/kgGT7FJB
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01:15.35Mark_MQuake and Doom are gone too!
01:15.49Anivrom|devModeAnything homebrew will be gone mark
01:16.14Mark_MI guess so.
01:16.18Mark_MThis is devistating
01:17.10Mark_MI thought Preware kept a list of hb and other apps
01:17.24Mark_Manything installed with ipkg
01:20.18jhowirc?
01:21.18Mark_MThis bloody reset even nuked by SQLite database!  All of my notes and tasks are gone including the list of manual tweaks I made.
01:23.36oilyeah, its a reset
01:24.20jhowirccan we blame oil ?
01:24.24oilno
01:24.30jhowirclol
01:24.35jhowircjust in case
01:24.56Mark_MLooks like a Palm problem to me
01:25.07oilproblem?
01:25.24jhowircI switched my pre back to run at palm default and honestly, it's not that bad..
01:25.48oilaren't the reset options supposed to... you know...  reset everything?
01:25.50jhowircexcept maybe launching the camera app
01:25.54oilisn't that as-designed
01:26.02Mark_Moil, hey, my patches are obviously still installed but the directories are gone and they are not listed in my app list from Preware.  How can I recover the list of patches or do I need to do an EPR?
01:26.21oilisn't there some E** that rebuilds the ipkg list?
01:26.30jhowircdunno
01:26.52jhowircyou have to ask rwhitby for that
01:27.01Mark_Moil, but it wasn't an user initiated reset.  Maybe there is an E something that I can use.  I'll check after my phone finishes reinstalling the apps.
01:27.19jhowircbut I think he is offline
01:27.21Mark_Moil, I think that the E* looks for the directories too and they aren't there.
01:27.38Mark_MI know.  Rod isn't up yet.
01:28.02oildoesn't usually deal with end-user support
01:29.13Mark_Moil, I know, but my question is more mechanical in nature.  At least this problem is prompting me to put a front-end on a backup application.
01:29.38oilmechanical? your device is physically damaged?
01:30.03Mark_MI was using BackupPC to do backups with rsync but now I think I'm going to write an app to do a push backup
01:30.30jhowircbackuppc?
01:30.36Mark_Moil, by mechanical I meant asking how WebOS-Internals stores patch lists.
01:30.53oiloh, i have nothing to do with patches, lol
01:31.21jhowircoil just tells people about how awesome wirc 030 is
01:31.24Mark_Moil, okay just Govnor and kernels
01:31.31oillol
01:31.37Mark_MI need to reinstall wIRC too
01:31.45oilwirc 030 IS awesome
01:31.56Mark_Mjhowirc, BackupPC is a Linux based backup system
01:31.57oiland i have nothing to do with kernels, thats jho*
01:32.04jhowircoil is also a kernal hackerz coz he is leet
01:32.05oilblame him for everything
01:32.10oillol
01:32.23Mark_MI use it to backup all of my machines from Windows to Linux and even WebOS.
01:32.31jhowircno that is marco. I noodle
01:33.09jhowircI know nothing about current state of linux backup tech
01:33.39oileither
01:34.57Mark_Mjhowirc, I am pretty religious about backups because I have seen too many HDD failures or upgrades gone wrong.  Now the mysterious phone reset.
01:36.27jhowircdon't get me wrong. I know about backups and do them too, just not current linux backup tech
01:37.52oili dont back up anything
01:37.55oillol
01:37.56Mark_Mjhowirc, I like BackupPC because I can run it from any machine through a web interface and backup using anything from SMB to rsync to ftp to rcopy.
01:38.11Mark_MIt is very configurable
01:38.24Mark_MOnce you twiddle with it  you can just leave it alone.
01:38.25jhowircbut it failed in this case?
01:39.32Mark_Mjhowirc, as usual, user error.  I scheduled it to backup the Pre every two weeks and I have been out of town and missed the scheduled backup.
01:39.59jhowircbut was the last copy not good?
01:40.00Mark_MThe Pre just got back on my network this morning and hasn't been backed up yet
01:40.41jhowircI was under the impression that palm backup backed up notes
01:40.59oili thought it did
01:41.19halfhaloI tawt I saw a putty cat!
01:41.26jhowircsomeone should build a diagram of what is covered by palm backup and save/restore
01:41.37Mark_MThis was Fliq notes
01:41.45oilsounds like a good job for jhowirc
01:41.46Mark_Mjhowirc, good idea.
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01:42.06Mark_MPizza is here.  Gotta go eat.  Was going out to dinner until phone puked.
01:42.10Mark_Mbrb
01:42.50oilhalfhalo: so i went to include your patch
01:42.59jhowircoil: I'm on a bus
01:42.59oiland pastie.org is 503 serice unavailable, lol
01:44.21oilhttp://git.webos-internals.org/?p=applications/wIRC.git;a=blobdiff;f=app/models/server.js;h=a0297e3f14724955cea28a84c5c6f297e3097843;hp=435d3eda05ebce1edb2f4fd36759fee2fd8ad00b;hb=867f3288dece278b42e81ca5e2120f6aeddaedff;hpb=07ba20310a143bd3df3163d140efee93259bc71e
01:44.23oil:)
01:44.39halfhaloha
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01:44.50halfhaloummm…. I dont even remember what it was
01:44.57halfhalounless its still in my local copy
01:45.00oila fix for some nicklist bug
01:45.05oilor something like that
01:45.47mandaman2kHi all, i was just wondering if someone could help install de omap3_usbloader on my linux distribution...
01:46.11halfhalooh god I could paste it but it wouild be horrible
01:48.11mandaman2ki'm getting a wierd error that i don't know how to trouble shoot
01:53.28Anivrom|devModemandaman2k: did you get your phone back up and running
01:56.36mandaman2kAnivrom: i'm still on it, i cant install the omap3_usbloader, i've installed fedora 13, got all the components i need and when i run "make" to the omap it gives me an error and cant compile
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02:04.56mandaman2khere is what im getting http://yfrog.com/n3screenshotcdp
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02:32.27gabit2000does anyone have a ''phone offline'' icon?
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05:05.16TIWizardHey guys. I was installing the WIDK on Ubuntu but it seems to be getting stuck on the "make stage" part... It goes through a bunch of stuff and then says "cd . && /bin/sh /srv/preware/cross-compile/packages/media/libsndfile/build/armv6/missing --run autoconf" and stops there... Anyone have any ideas?
05:06.48Anivrom|devModemaybe run the autoconf?
05:07.11TIWizardLinux noob here, how exactly do I do that? :)
05:07.14chrisa<PROTECTED>
05:07.35TIWizardThey only thing it says is "WARNING: `automake-1.9' is missing on your system"
05:07.53TIWizardBut running "apt-get install automake" says it is installed...
05:07.54chrisaThat doesn't seem like an enormous flag? :)
05:08.07chrisainstall automake1.9
05:08.43TIWizardLet me try that now..
05:10.53Mark_MMy phone reset. The patches are still installed but the directories were missing. I had a backup from a couple of weeks ago so I copied all of the directories back. Does anyone know how to get Preware to recognize the patches I have installed?
05:10.57TIWizardIt went farther, but now it is saying "cd . && /bin/sh /srv/preware/cross-compile/packages/media/libsndfile/build/armv6/missing --run aclocal-1.9" and not doing anything... No more warnings or errors...
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05:32.23TIWizardHmm... When I try and run scratchbox I get this error: "ERROR: Fatal: Rule file interface version check failed: No version information in /tmp/sb2-andrew-20100807-223113.A0zrd4/rules/Default.lua" I assume it is because it didn't finish "make stage" correctly, but it doesn't show any errors-- it just freezes
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14:40.40NachoBIs there a way to use zip within terminal similar to how unzip works within terminal?
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15:14.04NachoBCan you enlighten me on how
15:27.55PuffTheMagicgoogle can
15:28.13NachoBOkay, I'll keep searching then.
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15:39.02Mark_MDoes anyone know how to get the list of patches in /media/internal to be recognized by Preware and other package managers. My phone spontaneously reset yesterday and my patches are not recognized.
15:40.39NachoBRun the emergency reconstruction utility
15:41.26Mark_MNachoB, I tried that and nothing happened.
15:41.58NachoBhow much time did you give it to rebuild the list?
15:42.38Mark_MI just let it run then updated the feeds again.
15:42.52Mark_MDoes it run in the background?
15:43.40NachoBIt does.
15:43.57Mark_MMy feed list is intact and I restored the directories under .../applications
15:44.36Mark_MNachoB, should I run ERU again?
15:45.12NachoBSomebody else should probably step in and help, I've never had to run it.
15:47.45Mark_MOnce I get my packages recostructed, I'm going to schedule nightly complete backups of my phone with rsync.
15:48.25Mark_MNachoB, I just ran ERU again and it said that it was installed.  So now it is running in the background?
15:48.43Mark_Mlet me check with top
15:49.01NachoByeah, it does it's thing in the background. Maybe exit Preware and restart it but I'm not sure.
15:50.56Mark_MNachoB, I already did exit Preware.  I'm going to wait for a few minutes
15:51.32Mark_MThis reset was a pain. I'm still missing some contacts that didn't sync but are in my Google Contacts
15:51.45Mark_MAll of the HB stuff was gone
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16:17.38NachoBMark_M: I tried to force mine to break by deleting .webosinternals.patches.packages but was unsuccessful
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16:19.40Mark_MNachoB, so you deleted the actual .webosinternals.patches. directoies and the file in /media/internals?
16:20.23Mark_MI think that Preware keeps a list and does not verify that the packages still exist until it needs them for an undelete or update
16:21.27NachoBPuffTheMagic: I don't see zip in /usr/bin as I do unzip. I'm at an impasse
16:22.32NachoBMark_M: not the directory, let me try that
16:24.12PuffTheMagicNachoB: i never said it was on the pre
16:24.15PuffTheMagicjust that u could use it from the term
16:24.18PuffTheMagiclike unzip
16:24.19Mark_MNachoB, so you removed the file .webosinternals.patches.packages.  Okay.  I don't think that Preware uses that file except for some of the E* utilities.
16:24.24PuffTheMagicanswered your question exqactly
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16:24.49Mark_MI just wish I knew which program would reload data from that file.  I haven't seen Rod in here for a while.  He'd know.
16:28.56NachoBPuffTheMagic: I guess it will remain the mythical unicorn for me then.
16:30.11PuffTheMagicif its not there u need to install it
16:30.19PuffTheMagicbut yes u can use it via term like unzip
16:30.29PuffTheMagicidk why u would use zip though
16:30.34PuffTheMagicwhen u have gzip and bzip2
16:32.22NachoBI guess I just want to figure out why I can't use zip. I've used both gzip and bzip2 just fine.
16:33.19NachoBI'm guessing the zip install via Preware doesn't install what I need. but that's the same way I installed unzip.
16:43.49NachoBokay, I copied zip from /media/cryptofs/app/usr/bin to /usr/bin and I'm in business.
16:44.31Mark_MNachoB, gotta love Linux
16:45.02Mark_MI know that fixing my problem is just a file copy or edit away if I could figure out what to do.
16:50.17NachoBMark_M: yeah, the only Linux stuff I do is on my Pre.
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16:53.43NachoBMark_M: I'm not affraid to learn, some things just aren't that obvious to a Linux novice
16:54.04Mark_MNachoB, I have been using *nix for over 20 years.
16:54.19Mark_MThat
16:54.31Mark_MThat's why I can navigate the Pre easily.
16:54.39NachoBMark_M: Never had to use it prior to my Pre
16:55.14Mark_MNachoB, OSX is built on BSD *nix
16:55.55NachoBMark_M: I'm a Windows guy. Fiance has a Mac but I've never toyed with it.
16:56.57Mark_MNachoB, I use Windows too, but Linux is easier to tweak and modify because the applications are not tied deeply into the OS.
16:58.08NachoBMark_M: Where is the .webosinternals directory, I'll troubleshoot some more on the ERU
16:59.04Mark_MI believe the directory is /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications
16:59.28Mark_Mthe patches are all listed as directories starting with org.webosinternals.patches.*
17:01.02NachoBMark_M: Well, from what I see, I'd have to delete every directory related to a patch. doesn't seem to be the right place for some Master list
17:01.56Mark_MYeah, that is where the patch packages are expaneded.  The list is not there.  I have to look somewhere like /var/ipkg or /etc/ipkg
17:02.52NachoBMark_M: So, it doesn't seem something that should be easy to break by a user?
17:04.11Mark_MNachoB, I think that my reset wiped out the ipkg list file with the patches.
17:05.20NachoBMark_M: This file? .webosinternals.patches.packages
17:06.56Mark_MNachoB, That is the file that I believe Preware makes as a backup for patches and to test for AUPT compatibility.  The AUPT stuff cannot go into the ipkg list that is stored somewere else
17:07.36Mark_MPreware keeps a ipkg list of packages in /etc, /var, or somewhere else.  I just have to find it.  I am not that familiar with ipkg since I use Ubuntu.
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17:17.38Mark_MDoes anyone know where Preware/ipkg stores its list of installed patches?
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17:26.24NachoBMark_M: sorry, had garage door issues and had to leave
17:27.13Mark_MNp, NachoB.  I had to replace a spring two weeks ago after it broke on one of my doors.
17:27.40Mark_MI reading the man pages for ipkg to see if I can find out where the files may be stored.
17:28.01NachoBMark_M: Haha, that's just what happened to me, one of the springs snapped in two
17:29.21NachoBMark_M: you install it yourself?
17:30.26Mark_MYes I did, but I had help to tighten the set screw while I put tension in the spring.
17:30.38Mark_MIt is safer with two people.
17:31.17Mark_MI didn't want one of the rods to slip was I was tightening the bolts.
17:31.40NachoBMark_M: yeah, don't want that spring tension doing bodily harm. I'll probably replace both.
17:32.46Mark_MAlthough I have heard that they go in twos, I have never had that happen.
17:32.52Mark_MI just replaced one of them.
17:33.18NachoBMark_M: original springs from about 40+ years ago.
17:33.53Mark_MThen you may want to replace both of them while you are there.
17:34.04Mark_MMine are only 10 years old
17:36.10KyusakuMark_M: best to ping rwhitby for those details on where Preware stores that install patch data.
17:37.43NachoBMark_M: I plan on it, will have to Google the recommended tension.
17:38.07Mark_MKyusak, Yeah, Rod is the go-to person for my question.
17:38.14Mark_MKyusak, thanks
17:39.40Mark_MNachoB, the rule is one full turn for every foot of door height plus 1 quarter turn. So a 7' door has 7.25 turns.  That is what I did on my door and it works great.  I was told this by a person I know that installs these things.
17:41.33NachoBMark_M: my door is old and heavy (wood), I think I'll find an even balance so the opener doesn't struggle
17:43.38Mark_MNachoB, my door is wood and the tension I put was perfect.
17:47.26NachoBMark_M: Okay, I'll try your math :)
17:47.49Mark_MNachoB, I bet if you look it up you will find something similar
17:48.06NachoBMark_M: =robably
17:48.09Mark_MMy 5 year old can now open the door
17:48.13NachoBMark_M: Probably
17:48.26Mark_M...well with a little boost to get started
17:49.23NachoBMark_M: Well, then that should make it easy for the opener, and make it last longer. it was in place when I bought the house 12 years ago
17:49.58Mark_MMy wife's door opener ran on that one spring for 2 weeks.  The opener could do it but it was a bit strained.
17:50.15NachoBMark_M: Is there a Linux command for that, haha
17:50.39Mark_MNachoB, nope just like ipkg but ipkg -? works
17:51.38NachoBMark_M: I think the teeth of the opener broke, but not sure as I haven't investigated yet.
17:52.02Mark_MOuch, you have two problems.
17:52.19Mark_MNachoB, my opener is a screw type
17:53.05NachoBMark_M: Mine too, I just replaced it maybe 3 months ago, dunno if it suffered damage yet though
17:53.39Mark_MNachoB, probably not if the breakage just happened.  Do you have one or two springs?  I had two so they could share the load.
17:53.58NachoBMark_M: Two
17:54.23NachoBMark_M: The one gave out and now it's FUBAR
17:54.31Mark_MPreware uses its own configuration directory for installs.  Just doing an "ipkg list" lists the WebOS packages only not any WebOS-Intenals
17:55.00Mark_MNachoB, the opener should be able to handle the load on a short-term basis with only one spring.
17:55.37NachoBMark_M: I couldn't even lift it without engaging it and assisting it up.
17:56.39Mark_MNachoB, sounds like the tension in the other spring isn't sufficient either.  You should probably replace both of them then check your opener.  I would disconnect it and lift it manually until you fix the springs.
17:56.56Mark_MNachoB, I was lucky and still had a good spring with plenty of tension.
17:57.31NachoBMark_M: I'm going to replace both and go from there
17:57.41Mark_MNachoB, good plan.
17:58.34NachoBMark_M: yeah, when one headlight goes I replace both :)
17:59.01Mark_MNachoB, I think I'm going to give up on my phone until this evening when I can find Rod.  All data and apps are one phone and the patches work so I am good to go for a while.
17:59.33Mark_MIts noon and I haven't really done anything.  Gonna get going.  Good luck with the spring.  I'll check back with you later.  Thanks and good luck.
17:59.38NachoBMark_M: excellent
18:00.29NachoBmark_m: noon here on the east coast
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