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00:35.54 | eliasp | is there any way to edit /etc/passwd? accidentally messed it up (set wrong/nonexisting shell for root) and now neither terminal nor SSH work anymore.. |
00:36.07 | eliasp | Internalz provides only a viewer for textfiles |
00:40.33 | bpadalino | novaterm will give you a root shell automatically i am pretty sure |
00:45.12 | eliasp | bpadalino: ok, thx... it actually worked using novaterm + sed ... |
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00:45.23 | bpadalino | neat |
00:45.47 | eliasp | btw: does anyone know whether there's a vim or at least nano/pico for WebOS available somewhere? |
00:45.59 | eliasp | that's one of the basic system utilities i'm still missing |
00:46.34 | eliasp | cat/sed/awk does mostly the job, but i have to confess: i feel that vim is more comfortable ;) |
00:48.02 | bpadalino | vi should be on there as a busybox executable |
00:48.31 | eliasp | ah, was looking for vim all the time... ok.. still better than cat/sed/awk :) |
00:52.43 | eliasp | my next item on the WebOS TODO list: i'd really love to have also support for CalDAV/CardDAV/GroupDAV in Synergy... does anyone know, if the current Synergy plugins (Google, Exchange, Yahoo) are available somewhere in the filesystem as .so, so i could use them for some basic reverse-engineering? |
00:52.56 | eliasp | couldn't find anything usable yet ;( |
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01:01.56 | Mark_M | Damn, my phone just reset itself. Now I am reinstalling the applications. |
01:02.17 | Mark_M | My patches are still installed but the directories are gone. What should I do? |
01:04.26 | bpadalino | eliasp: i believe the google/exchange stuff is in java classes .. which are soon to be replaced by other stuff |
01:04.49 | eliasp | Mark_M: that's why i'm just setting up rsnapshot... killed my data 2 weeks ago when trying to use /dev/mapper/store-media as a boot-record for my laptop... ;-/ |
01:04.53 | bpadalino | check the jars and get jd-gui for decompiling the class files in the jars |
01:05.35 | eliasp | bpadalino: ok, this helps me a lot, thx! |
01:05.45 | bpadalino | n |
01:05.46 | bpadalino | np |
01:05.50 | Mark_M | I'm going to have to schedule regular rsync backups |
01:06.14 | Mark_M | I wrote a script to do it from my Linux box automatically, but I never turned it on. |
01:06.49 | Mark_M | It seems that most of the apps except the WebOS-Internals ones are coming back |
01:07.03 | eliasp | bpadalino: what will be used as a replacement for the Java stuff? plain C? |
01:07.09 | Mark_M | I'm missing wIRC, Internalz, and terminal as far as I can tell |
01:07.22 | bpadalino | eliasp: i believe node.js event loop IO |
01:07.49 | Mark_M | I'm flustered on how to recover the patches. The apps are patched, but the directories are gone. |
01:08.20 | Mark_M | I don't see Rod on yet |
01:08.23 | Mark_M | too early probably |
01:08.23 | eliasp | oh, ok... even such lowlevel stuff as Exchange integration etc? i'd never thought this could be done properly in JS... |
01:08.40 | Mark_M | So much for working on my app tonight! |
01:09.13 | bpadalino | eliasp: node.js is an interesting project where you give JS IO capabilities and http is very much built in .. |
01:09.14 | bpadalino | kind of neat |
01:09.44 | Mark_M | I think I'm going to write an app that will start an rsync push backup from the Pre to the cloud. Well actually a Linux box with ssh and rsyncd. |
01:09.52 | eliasp | hmm, i'll have to take a look at this... is this planned for WebOS 2.0, so node.js isn't really usable yet in 1.4.5, right? |
01:10.16 | bpadalino | not in 1.4.5, but in the next major update afterwards .. the fall update .. whichever one that ends up being |
01:11.30 | eliasp | Mark_M: that'd be nice... the problem of my current setup is, that rsnapshot is triggered by my backup-server and this only works, if the Pré is not "sleeping" .. so if it was a device-centric trigger, this would be better as the backup could be just triggered at a time, when the device is awake the next time within your planned backup timeframe... |
01:11.42 | eliasp | bpadalino: ok, great |
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01:13.01 | Mark_M | eliasp I would use at or the Pre to schedule a backup time and initiate the connection to the server either via USB or a network connection. |
01:14.32 | eliasp | hmm, seems the Synergy stuff is spread among a lot of different JARs... let's see what i'll find in them... http://pastebin.com/kgGT7FJB |
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01:15.35 | Mark_M | Quake and Doom are gone too! |
01:15.49 | Anivrom|devMode | Anything homebrew will be gone mark |
01:16.14 | Mark_M | I guess so. |
01:16.18 | Mark_M | This is devistating |
01:17.10 | Mark_M | I thought Preware kept a list of hb and other apps |
01:17.24 | Mark_M | anything installed with ipkg |
01:20.18 | jhowirc | ? |
01:21.18 | Mark_M | This bloody reset even nuked by SQLite database! All of my notes and tasks are gone including the list of manual tweaks I made. |
01:23.36 | oil | yeah, its a reset |
01:24.20 | jhowirc | can we blame oil ? |
01:24.24 | oil | no |
01:24.30 | jhowirc | lol |
01:24.35 | jhowirc | just in case |
01:24.56 | Mark_M | Looks like a Palm problem to me |
01:25.07 | oil | problem? |
01:25.24 | jhowirc | I switched my pre back to run at palm default and honestly, it's not that bad.. |
01:25.48 | oil | aren't the reset options supposed to... you know... reset everything? |
01:25.50 | jhowirc | except maybe launching the camera app |
01:25.54 | oil | isn't that as-designed |
01:26.02 | Mark_M | oil, hey, my patches are obviously still installed but the directories are gone and they are not listed in my app list from Preware. How can I recover the list of patches or do I need to do an EPR? |
01:26.21 | oil | isn't there some E** that rebuilds the ipkg list? |
01:26.30 | jhowirc | dunno |
01:26.52 | jhowirc | you have to ask rwhitby for that |
01:27.01 | Mark_M | oil, but it wasn't an user initiated reset. Maybe there is an E something that I can use. I'll check after my phone finishes reinstalling the apps. |
01:27.19 | jhowirc | but I think he is offline |
01:27.21 | Mark_M | oil, I think that the E* looks for the directories too and they aren't there. |
01:27.38 | Mark_M | I know. Rod isn't up yet. |
01:28.02 | oil | doesn't usually deal with end-user support |
01:29.13 | Mark_M | oil, I know, but my question is more mechanical in nature. At least this problem is prompting me to put a front-end on a backup application. |
01:29.38 | oil | mechanical? your device is physically damaged? |
01:30.03 | Mark_M | I was using BackupPC to do backups with rsync but now I think I'm going to write an app to do a push backup |
01:30.30 | jhowirc | backuppc? |
01:30.36 | Mark_M | oil, by mechanical I meant asking how WebOS-Internals stores patch lists. |
01:30.53 | oil | oh, i have nothing to do with patches, lol |
01:31.21 | jhowirc | oil just tells people about how awesome wirc 030 is |
01:31.24 | Mark_M | oil, okay just Govnor and kernels |
01:31.31 | oil | lol |
01:31.37 | Mark_M | I need to reinstall wIRC too |
01:31.45 | oil | wirc 030 IS awesome |
01:31.56 | Mark_M | jhowirc, BackupPC is a Linux based backup system |
01:31.57 | oil | and i have nothing to do with kernels, thats jho* |
01:32.04 | jhowirc | oil is also a kernal hackerz coz he is leet |
01:32.05 | oil | blame him for everything |
01:32.10 | oil | lol |
01:32.23 | Mark_M | I use it to backup all of my machines from Windows to Linux and even WebOS. |
01:32.31 | jhowirc | no that is marco. I noodle |
01:33.09 | jhowirc | I know nothing about current state of linux backup tech |
01:33.39 | oil | either |
01:34.57 | Mark_M | jhowirc, I am pretty religious about backups because I have seen too many HDD failures or upgrades gone wrong. Now the mysterious phone reset. |
01:36.27 | jhowirc | don't get me wrong. I know about backups and do them too, just not current linux backup tech |
01:37.52 | oil | i dont back up anything |
01:37.55 | oil | lol |
01:37.56 | Mark_M | jhowirc, I like BackupPC because I can run it from any machine through a web interface and backup using anything from SMB to rsync to ftp to rcopy. |
01:38.11 | Mark_M | It is very configurable |
01:38.24 | Mark_M | Once you twiddle with it you can just leave it alone. |
01:38.25 | jhowirc | but it failed in this case? |
01:39.32 | Mark_M | jhowirc, as usual, user error. I scheduled it to backup the Pre every two weeks and I have been out of town and missed the scheduled backup. |
01:39.59 | jhowirc | but was the last copy not good? |
01:40.00 | Mark_M | The Pre just got back on my network this morning and hasn't been backed up yet |
01:40.41 | jhowirc | I was under the impression that palm backup backed up notes |
01:40.59 | oil | i thought it did |
01:41.19 | halfhalo | I tawt I saw a putty cat! |
01:41.26 | jhowirc | someone should build a diagram of what is covered by palm backup and save/restore |
01:41.37 | Mark_M | This was Fliq notes |
01:41.45 | oil | sounds like a good job for jhowirc |
01:41.46 | Mark_M | jhowirc, good idea. |
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01:42.06 | Mark_M | Pizza is here. Gotta go eat. Was going out to dinner until phone puked. |
01:42.10 | Mark_M | brb |
01:42.50 | oil | halfhalo: so i went to include your patch |
01:42.59 | jhowirc | oil: I'm on a bus |
01:42.59 | oil | and pastie.org is 503 serice unavailable, lol |
01:44.21 | oil | http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=applications/wIRC.git;a=blobdiff;f=app/models/server.js;h=a0297e3f14724955cea28a84c5c6f297e3097843;hp=435d3eda05ebce1edb2f4fd36759fee2fd8ad00b;hb=867f3288dece278b42e81ca5e2120f6aeddaedff;hpb=07ba20310a143bd3df3163d140efee93259bc71e |
01:44.23 | oil | :) |
01:44.39 | halfhalo | ha |
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01:44.50 | halfhalo | ummmâ¦. I dont even remember what it was |
01:44.57 | halfhalo | unless its still in my local copy |
01:45.00 | oil | a fix for some nicklist bug |
01:45.05 | oil | or something like that |
01:45.47 | mandaman2k | Hi all, i was just wondering if someone could help install de omap3_usbloader on my linux distribution... |
01:46.11 | halfhalo | oh god I could paste it but it wouild be horrible |
01:48.11 | mandaman2k | i'm getting a wierd error that i don't know how to trouble shoot |
01:53.28 | Anivrom|devMode | mandaman2k: did you get your phone back up and running |
01:56.36 | mandaman2k | Anivrom: i'm still on it, i cant install the omap3_usbloader, i've installed fedora 13, got all the components i need and when i run "make" to the omap it gives me an error and cant compile |
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02:04.56 | mandaman2k | here is what im getting http://yfrog.com/n3screenshotcdp |
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05:05.16 | TIWizard | Hey guys. I was installing the WIDK on Ubuntu but it seems to be getting stuck on the "make stage" part... It goes through a bunch of stuff and then says "cd . && /bin/sh /srv/preware/cross-compile/packages/media/libsndfile/build/armv6/missing --run autoconf" and stops there... Anyone have any ideas? |
05:06.48 | Anivrom|devMode | maybe run the autoconf? |
05:07.11 | TIWizard | Linux noob here, how exactly do I do that? :) |
05:07.14 | chrisa | <PROTECTED> |
05:07.35 | TIWizard | They only thing it says is "WARNING: `automake-1.9' is missing on your system" |
05:07.53 | TIWizard | But running "apt-get install automake" says it is installed... |
05:07.54 | chrisa | That doesn't seem like an enormous flag? :) |
05:08.07 | chrisa | install automake1.9 |
05:08.43 | TIWizard | Let me try that now.. |
05:10.53 | Mark_M | My phone reset. The patches are still installed but the directories were missing. I had a backup from a couple of weeks ago so I copied all of the directories back. Does anyone know how to get Preware to recognize the patches I have installed? |
05:10.57 | TIWizard | It went farther, but now it is saying "cd . && /bin/sh /srv/preware/cross-compile/packages/media/libsndfile/build/armv6/missing --run aclocal-1.9" and not doing anything... No more warnings or errors... |
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05:32.23 | TIWizard | Hmm... When I try and run scratchbox I get this error: "ERROR: Fatal: Rule file interface version check failed: No version information in /tmp/sb2-andrew-20100807-223113.A0zrd4/rules/Default.lua" I assume it is because it didn't finish "make stage" correctly, but it doesn't show any errors-- it just freezes |
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14:40.40 | NachoB | Is there a way to use zip within terminal similar to how unzip works within terminal? |
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15:08.26 | PuffTheMagic | sure is |
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15:14.04 | NachoB | Can you enlighten me on how |
15:27.55 | PuffTheMagic | google can |
15:28.13 | NachoB | Okay, I'll keep searching then. |
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15:39.02 | Mark_M | Does anyone know how to get the list of patches in /media/internal to be recognized by Preware and other package managers. My phone spontaneously reset yesterday and my patches are not recognized. |
15:40.39 | NachoB | Run the emergency reconstruction utility |
15:41.26 | Mark_M | NachoB, I tried that and nothing happened. |
15:41.58 | NachoB | how much time did you give it to rebuild the list? |
15:42.38 | Mark_M | I just let it run then updated the feeds again. |
15:42.52 | Mark_M | Does it run in the background? |
15:43.40 | NachoB | It does. |
15:43.57 | Mark_M | My feed list is intact and I restored the directories under .../applications |
15:44.36 | Mark_M | NachoB, should I run ERU again? |
15:45.12 | NachoB | Somebody else should probably step in and help, I've never had to run it. |
15:47.45 | Mark_M | Once I get my packages recostructed, I'm going to schedule nightly complete backups of my phone with rsync. |
15:48.25 | Mark_M | NachoB, I just ran ERU again and it said that it was installed. So now it is running in the background? |
15:48.43 | Mark_M | let me check with top |
15:49.01 | NachoB | yeah, it does it's thing in the background. Maybe exit Preware and restart it but I'm not sure. |
15:50.56 | Mark_M | NachoB, I already did exit Preware. I'm going to wait for a few minutes |
15:51.32 | Mark_M | This reset was a pain. I'm still missing some contacts that didn't sync but are in my Google Contacts |
15:51.45 | Mark_M | All of the HB stuff was gone |
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16:17.38 | NachoB | Mark_M: I tried to force mine to break by deleting .webosinternals.patches.packages but was unsuccessful |
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16:19.40 | Mark_M | NachoB, so you deleted the actual .webosinternals.patches. directoies and the file in /media/internals? |
16:20.23 | Mark_M | I think that Preware keeps a list and does not verify that the packages still exist until it needs them for an undelete or update |
16:21.27 | NachoB | PuffTheMagic: I don't see zip in /usr/bin as I do unzip. I'm at an impasse |
16:22.32 | NachoB | Mark_M: not the directory, let me try that |
16:24.12 | PuffTheMagic | NachoB: i never said it was on the pre |
16:24.15 | PuffTheMagic | just that u could use it from the term |
16:24.18 | PuffTheMagic | like unzip |
16:24.19 | Mark_M | NachoB, so you removed the file .webosinternals.patches.packages. Okay. I don't think that Preware uses that file except for some of the E* utilities. |
16:24.24 | PuffTheMagic | answered your question exqactly |
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16:24.49 | Mark_M | I just wish I knew which program would reload data from that file. I haven't seen Rod in here for a while. He'd know. |
16:28.56 | NachoB | PuffTheMagic: I guess it will remain the mythical unicorn for me then. |
16:30.11 | PuffTheMagic | if its not there u need to install it |
16:30.19 | PuffTheMagic | but yes u can use it via term like unzip |
16:30.29 | PuffTheMagic | idk why u would use zip though |
16:30.34 | PuffTheMagic | when u have gzip and bzip2 |
16:32.22 | NachoB | I guess I just want to figure out why I can't use zip. I've used both gzip and bzip2 just fine. |
16:33.19 | NachoB | I'm guessing the zip install via Preware doesn't install what I need. but that's the same way I installed unzip. |
16:43.49 | NachoB | okay, I copied zip from /media/cryptofs/app/usr/bin to /usr/bin and I'm in business. |
16:44.31 | Mark_M | NachoB, gotta love Linux |
16:45.02 | Mark_M | I know that fixing my problem is just a file copy or edit away if I could figure out what to do. |
16:50.17 | NachoB | Mark_M: yeah, the only Linux stuff I do is on my Pre. |
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16:53.43 | NachoB | Mark_M: I'm not affraid to learn, some things just aren't that obvious to a Linux novice |
16:54.04 | Mark_M | NachoB, I have been using *nix for over 20 years. |
16:54.19 | Mark_M | That |
16:54.31 | Mark_M | That's why I can navigate the Pre easily. |
16:54.39 | NachoB | Mark_M: Never had to use it prior to my Pre |
16:55.14 | Mark_M | NachoB, OSX is built on BSD *nix |
16:55.55 | NachoB | Mark_M: I'm a Windows guy. Fiance has a Mac but I've never toyed with it. |
16:56.57 | Mark_M | NachoB, I use Windows too, but Linux is easier to tweak and modify because the applications are not tied deeply into the OS. |
16:58.08 | NachoB | Mark_M: Where is the .webosinternals directory, I'll troubleshoot some more on the ERU |
16:59.04 | Mark_M | I believe the directory is /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications |
16:59.28 | Mark_M | the patches are all listed as directories starting with org.webosinternals.patches.* |
17:01.02 | NachoB | Mark_M: Well, from what I see, I'd have to delete every directory related to a patch. doesn't seem to be the right place for some Master list |
17:01.56 | Mark_M | Yeah, that is where the patch packages are expaneded. The list is not there. I have to look somewhere like /var/ipkg or /etc/ipkg |
17:02.52 | NachoB | Mark_M: So, it doesn't seem something that should be easy to break by a user? |
17:04.11 | Mark_M | NachoB, I think that my reset wiped out the ipkg list file with the patches. |
17:05.20 | NachoB | Mark_M: This file? .webosinternals.patches.packages |
17:06.56 | Mark_M | NachoB, That is the file that I believe Preware makes as a backup for patches and to test for AUPT compatibility. The AUPT stuff cannot go into the ipkg list that is stored somewere else |
17:07.36 | Mark_M | Preware keeps a ipkg list of packages in /etc, /var, or somewhere else. I just have to find it. I am not that familiar with ipkg since I use Ubuntu. |
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17:17.38 | Mark_M | Does anyone know where Preware/ipkg stores its list of installed patches? |
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17:26.24 | NachoB | Mark_M: sorry, had garage door issues and had to leave |
17:27.13 | Mark_M | Np, NachoB. I had to replace a spring two weeks ago after it broke on one of my doors. |
17:27.40 | Mark_M | I reading the man pages for ipkg to see if I can find out where the files may be stored. |
17:28.01 | NachoB | Mark_M: Haha, that's just what happened to me, one of the springs snapped in two |
17:29.21 | NachoB | Mark_M: you install it yourself? |
17:30.26 | Mark_M | Yes I did, but I had help to tighten the set screw while I put tension in the spring. |
17:30.38 | Mark_M | It is safer with two people. |
17:31.17 | Mark_M | I didn't want one of the rods to slip was I was tightening the bolts. |
17:31.40 | NachoB | Mark_M: yeah, don't want that spring tension doing bodily harm. I'll probably replace both. |
17:32.46 | Mark_M | Although I have heard that they go in twos, I have never had that happen. |
17:32.52 | Mark_M | I just replaced one of them. |
17:33.18 | NachoB | Mark_M: original springs from about 40+ years ago. |
17:33.53 | Mark_M | Then you may want to replace both of them while you are there. |
17:34.04 | Mark_M | Mine are only 10 years old |
17:36.10 | Kyusaku | Mark_M: best to ping rwhitby for those details on where Preware stores that install patch data. |
17:37.43 | NachoB | Mark_M: I plan on it, will have to Google the recommended tension. |
17:38.07 | Mark_M | Kyusak, Yeah, Rod is the go-to person for my question. |
17:38.14 | Mark_M | Kyusak, thanks |
17:39.40 | Mark_M | NachoB, the rule is one full turn for every foot of door height plus 1 quarter turn. So a 7' door has 7.25 turns. That is what I did on my door and it works great. I was told this by a person I know that installs these things. |
17:41.33 | NachoB | Mark_M: my door is old and heavy (wood), I think I'll find an even balance so the opener doesn't struggle |
17:43.38 | Mark_M | NachoB, my door is wood and the tension I put was perfect. |
17:47.26 | NachoB | Mark_M: Okay, I'll try your math :) |
17:47.49 | Mark_M | NachoB, I bet if you look it up you will find something similar |
17:48.06 | NachoB | Mark_M: =robably |
17:48.09 | Mark_M | My 5 year old can now open the door |
17:48.13 | NachoB | Mark_M: Probably |
17:48.26 | Mark_M | ...well with a little boost to get started |
17:49.23 | NachoB | Mark_M: Well, then that should make it easy for the opener, and make it last longer. it was in place when I bought the house 12 years ago |
17:49.58 | Mark_M | My wife's door opener ran on that one spring for 2 weeks. The opener could do it but it was a bit strained. |
17:50.15 | NachoB | Mark_M: Is there a Linux command for that, haha |
17:50.39 | Mark_M | NachoB, nope just like ipkg but ipkg -? works |
17:51.38 | NachoB | Mark_M: I think the teeth of the opener broke, but not sure as I haven't investigated yet. |
17:52.02 | Mark_M | Ouch, you have two problems. |
17:52.19 | Mark_M | NachoB, my opener is a screw type |
17:53.05 | NachoB | Mark_M: Mine too, I just replaced it maybe 3 months ago, dunno if it suffered damage yet though |
17:53.39 | Mark_M | NachoB, probably not if the breakage just happened. Do you have one or two springs? I had two so they could share the load. |
17:53.58 | NachoB | Mark_M: Two |
17:54.23 | NachoB | Mark_M: The one gave out and now it's FUBAR |
17:54.31 | Mark_M | Preware uses its own configuration directory for installs. Just doing an "ipkg list" lists the WebOS packages only not any WebOS-Intenals |
17:55.00 | Mark_M | NachoB, the opener should be able to handle the load on a short-term basis with only one spring. |
17:55.37 | NachoB | Mark_M: I couldn't even lift it without engaging it and assisting it up. |
17:56.39 | Mark_M | NachoB, sounds like the tension in the other spring isn't sufficient either. You should probably replace both of them then check your opener. I would disconnect it and lift it manually until you fix the springs. |
17:56.56 | Mark_M | NachoB, I was lucky and still had a good spring with plenty of tension. |
17:57.31 | NachoB | Mark_M: I'm going to replace both and go from there |
17:57.41 | Mark_M | NachoB, good plan. |
17:58.34 | NachoB | Mark_M: yeah, when one headlight goes I replace both :) |
17:59.01 | Mark_M | NachoB, I think I'm going to give up on my phone until this evening when I can find Rod. All data and apps are one phone and the patches work so I am good to go for a while. |
17:59.33 | Mark_M | Its noon and I haven't really done anything. Gonna get going. Good luck with the spring. I'll check back with you later. Thanks and good luck. |
17:59.38 | NachoB | Mark_M: excellent |
18:00.29 | NachoB | mark_m: noon here on the east coast |
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18:58.07 | halfhalo-srv | It happens |
18:58.07 | halfhalo-srv | A lot |
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21:45.15 | illadelphatic | can anyone tell me the purpose of the AUFS as it related to webOS? |
21:50.09 | bpadalino | "AUFS is useful for mounting rw overlays on ro filesystems." - from the description of the package |
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