| 00:21.00 | BeeRad | *crickets* |
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| 00:21.48 | rwhitby | hey BeeRad - have you worked out how to profit from your youtube video yet? |
| 00:22.17 | BeeRad | Its on your page Rod. Nope. |
| 00:24.39 | BeeRad | rwhitby: I don't really think its going to get a ton more hits at this point. Its buried in the blogs. |
| 00:26.45 | jhoatt | you could be the -internals social media expert |
| 00:29.47 | BeeRad | jhoatt: Putting that title on me is a scary proposition. haha |
| 00:30.46 | rwhitby | BeeRad already is the WebOS Internals Video Meister |
| 00:31.47 | BeeRad | wants to get a Pixi+ so I can show the world that the little "cute" phone can mean business. |
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| 00:43.04 | rwhitby | created a second unlocked EU QWERTY Pre last night by doing another successful keyboard transplant operation |
| 00:43.27 | swishy | rwhitby: :) |
| 00:44.17 | BeeRad | rwhitby: wow, this is sad. I don't even know where to get started to make ad revenue from videos on YouTube. |
| 00:44.20 | rwhitby | I'm getting good at them now. Don't even have to unplug the OMAP<->Comms cable any more :) |
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| 00:46.38 | cryptk | jhojho jhoatt I have the dbox all synced up, ready when you are |
| 00:46.59 | jhoatt | ok. gimme 30 mins |
| 00:47.24 | cryptk | jhoatt do I need to have the SDK installed? I have novacom but not the full SDK (but if you tell me not I can get it ready |
| 00:47.32 | cryptk | s/not/now/ |
| 00:47.48 | jhoatt | nah that should be enuff |
| 00:47.55 | cryptk | ok |
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| 00:56.03 | BeeRad | rwhitby: Apparently we (webOS Internals) don't qualify to be a partner with YouTube just yet. I think we need more videos and viewers. My video did pretty good. I guess I need to make more. It's in your account though and I don't want to make decisions without your knowing about it. |
| 00:57.49 | rwhitby | BeeRad: please do make more |
| 00:58.38 | rwhitby | BeeRad: and if you can work out how to get a revenue stream without there being blatant annoying ads everywhere, go for it (see the Google Ads on the bottom left of our wiki for an example) |
| 01:00.00 | rwhitby | hmm - they seem to have disappeared. |
| 01:00.17 | rwhitby | rings up our web meister |
| 01:02.45 | BeeRad | rwhitby: I'm sure its Google Ads. You have to have several videos under your belt that have thousands of hits. We need to keep this going. Obviously overclocking is what brings the attention, but it cant always be that. Unfortunately, I dont think something like screenstate or compcache is "wow" enough for sites like Engadget to pick up on. |
| 01:03.39 | ka6sox-work | BeeRad, rwhitby : they are there for me.... |
| 01:04.30 | cryptk | I have been thinking about making a video tutorial showing how to go from bone stock pre to having preware, Govnah and latest release UberKernel |
| 01:04.34 | cryptk | not testing kernel or anything |
| 01:04.46 | cryptk | would you want that? |
| 01:05.34 | jhoatt | do one that shows stock perf |
| 01:06.05 | cryptk | indeed, it would be a before and after including the process to get to the after. |
| 01:06.09 | jhoatt | and ends with f105 + faster card animations |
| 01:06.16 | cryptk | lol |
| 01:06.32 | cryptk | F105 isn't in the release feed though I thought |
| 01:06.37 | cryptk | I thought it was testing feed only |
| 01:06.39 | cryptk | brb |
| 01:07.10 | jhoatt | faster card animations is good for at least 50hp |
| 01:07.25 | cryptk | ahh, the sticker effect |
| 01:08.38 | rwhitby | ka6sox-work: ah, yes. I see them now too. |
| 01:09.34 | rwhitby | msg BeeRad as far as Video Meister goes - go for it. You have as much rope as you want :) |
| 01:09.41 | rwhitby | s/msg// |
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| 01:12.39 | rwhitby | Audemars02: hi |
| 01:12.52 | Audemars02 | Rwitby - hi, right back at ya |
| 01:12.54 | rwhitby | jhoatt: did you say anyone can get an AT&T Pixi Plus unlocked by calling them up? |
| 01:13.40 | jhoatt | yes |
| 01:13.41 | BeeRad | rwhitby: I want rope, but not enough to hang us all. ha! |
| 01:14.00 | cryptk | then just tie alot of knots in it... that will shorten it up |
| 01:14.08 | rwhitby | Audemars02: jhoatt is your man :) |
| 01:14.13 | Audemars02 | let me find the article, but i believe that AT&T made a deal that any user who has had service for 90 days can get an unlock code for their device (as long as its not the iphone) |
| 01:14.17 | jhoatt | BUT you need to know someone or have an active ATT sim not tied to that phone |
| 01:14.18 | BeeRad | cryptk: do you do a lot of videos? |
| 01:14.41 | rwhitby | jhoatt: so a prepaid sim card would do? |
| 01:14.46 | cryptk | BeeRad not really |
| 01:15.06 | rwhitby | jhoatt: or does the sim need to be active for 90 days? |
| 01:15.08 | Audemars02 | jhoatt -- my wife has a tmobile SIM...would that work, or do you need an actual AT&T SIM (as long as i can get the unlock code) |
| 01:15.14 | cryptk | jhoatt would you prefer me in linux or windows for this btw? |
| 01:15.37 | jhoatt | I have a loaner phone from our friends |
| 01:15.49 | jhoatt | and it's att |
| 01:15.51 | rwhitby | has an AT&T sim sitting right here in Australia, which ka6sox-work forgot to take out of my German Pixi :) |
| 01:16.03 | Audemars02 | http://www.mobileburn.com/news.jsp?Id=9533 |
| 01:16.07 | jhoatt | audermars: find a friend with an iphone |
| 01:16.13 | jhoatt | have them call |
| 01:16.13 | cryptk | rwhitby: I would say you are good to go, LOL |
| 01:16.26 | jhoatt | cryptk linux |
| 01:16.35 | cryptk | jhoatt lemme reboot then, brb |
| 01:16.38 | rwhitby | cryptk: it's not been active for 90 days though |
| 01:16.59 | jhoatt | you can try |
| 01:17.04 | Audemars02 | yea...i have a friend with an AT&T Nexus One who is going to call for me to get the code...but he is not around for me to acutally use his SIM... i can try to find someone around here who i can borrow the SIM |
| 01:17.36 | Audemars02 | it jsut says the customer has to have had service for 90 days...doesnt specify that they have used that device for 90 days |
| 01:18.05 | jhoatt | you don't need the physical att sim I think |
| 01:18.27 | jhoatt | you just need to give them your phones imei |
| 01:18.35 | ka6sox-work | rwhitby, heh...oh well. |
| 01:18.37 | BeeRad | Silly question... does the + in front of the name mean the name is registered? |
| 01:18.57 | rwhitby | BeeRad: nope |
| 01:19.06 | BeeRad | explain? |
| 01:19.44 | BeeRad | I want to register my name for the IRC. |
| 01:19.56 | rwhitby | BeeRad: /msg nickserv register <password> |
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| 01:20.06 | cryptk | back |
| 01:23.41 | Audemars02 | Rod -- re: saving wifi profiles for save/restore ... if i am reading the meta doctor data correctly, i should just need to save the var/preferences/com.palm.wifi/prefsDB.sl file, right, and the just restore that file to the right directory? |
| 01:24.09 | rwhitby | yep |
| 01:24.18 | Audemars02 | sweet! writing up that script now! :-) |
| 01:24.43 | rwhitby | Audemars02 is our new Save/Restore Meister |
| 01:24.53 | cryptk | rwhitby, saverestore saves preware info right? and if so what info does it save? just the prefrences/feeds? or does it save a list of patches as well? |
| 01:25.12 | rwhitby | cryptk: preferences and saved package list. not feeds |
| 01:25.24 | rwhitby | but Audemars02 could make it do feeds now |
| 01:25.45 | Audemars02 | i could? i will have to look into that for ya! |
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| 01:26.06 | rwhitby | need to be careful with versioned feeds, probably need a reboot after restore if webOS version has changed |
| 01:26.22 | cryptk | so as far as saved package list... does that mean if I were to backup the saverestore data and do a full erase, then put it back on... could I restore all my patches and whatnot? |
| 01:26.47 | rwhitby | ~hgoh |
| 01:26.48 | infobot | hgoh is probably the Holy Grail of Homebrew, which can be found at http://bit.ly/holy-grail-of-homebrew |
| 01:26.56 | rwhitby | cryptk: ^^ |
| 01:29.00 | cryptk | wow... how I missed that feature I have no clue |
| 01:29.25 | Audemars02 | cryptk -- MAKE SURE YOU SAVE your installed package list!!! |
| 01:29.55 | cryptk | indeed |
| 01:30.30 | cryptk | I am doing all of this now because in all likelihood the testing I am getting ready to do with jhojho will result in having to do a doctor |
| 01:30.35 | cryptk | better safe than sorry, lol |
| 01:32.01 | Audemars02 | rod -- where are the feeds info saved? |
| 01:32.42 | rwhitby | Audemars02: /media/cryptofs/apps/etc/ipkg/*.conf and /media/cryptofs/apps/etc/ipkg/*.conf.disabled |
| 01:32.56 | cryptk | 11) Note that you don't need WOSQI for any of this - sorry Jason, I just had to say it |
| 01:32.57 | cryptk | LOL |
| 01:33.13 | rwhitby | heh |
| 01:33.32 | Audemars02 | cool... i will add that to the preware script and test it out..thnx |
| 01:34.40 | cryptk | so, I just need to backup the saverestore folder on my /media/internal right? |
| 01:35.50 | cryptk | wow... just noticed that the icon for my Pre when I connect it to Ubuntu actually kinda looks like a pre |
| 01:35.50 | rwhitby | yep |
| 01:36.09 | cryptk | has some extra white lines on it, but they correspond perfectly to back and forward gestures... so I will let it slide |
| 01:37.13 | BeeRad | is registered. wOOt. |
| 01:37.17 | cryptk | so between the palm profile getting all of the official app cat stuff, and this... you can pretty much clone a pre... |
| 01:37.35 | rwhitby | cryptk: well, Meta-Doctor cloning support is better than this |
| 01:38.03 | cryptk | I know |
| 01:38.17 | cryptk | but I meant it is now easily accessable to everyone |
| 01:38.23 | cryptk | not everyone knows how to read bash/meta doc |
| 01:38.46 | cryptk | I still find it funny that Palm sells developer phones that you pretty much need meta doc to use |
| 01:39.48 | Audemars02 | Rod -- I am outta here for the night...i will report back to you on the AT&T unlock code and see what I can find out |
| 01:40.15 | rwhitby | Audemars02: thx |
| 01:40.30 | rwhitby | BeeRad: do you do facebook stuff too? |
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| 01:43.37 | BeeRad | rwhitby: explain "stuff". Are you asking if I have a Facebook page or if I do tech stuff there? |
| 01:44.05 | rwhitby | well, webosinternals has a facebook site. someone should do something with it :) |
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| 01:47.45 | BeeRad | rwhitby: http://modernmemoryfilms.blogspot.com/ |
| 01:48.50 | jhojho | would be cool to have a movie shot with a pre |
| 01:49.38 | BeeRad | has YouTube, Vimeo, Facebook, Blogspot, etc. |
| 01:50.31 | BeeRad | jhojho: If the Pre2 has a camera anything like th iP4....I'll do it. |
| 01:50.47 | jhojho | just do one now. |
| 01:51.00 | jhojho | then run it through magic bullet or something =) |
| 01:51.02 | BeeRad | prepares to get flamed for what hes about to say. |
| 01:51.27 | BeeRad | The Pres video camera doesn't impress me that much honestly. |
| 01:51.37 | BeeRad | As a still camera...its decent. |
| 01:51.54 | BeeRad | They should incorporate a tap to focus for the next Palm. |
| 01:52.01 | BeeRad | Backlit CMOS sensor. |
| 01:52.14 | BeeRad | Just saying...... Apple did it right. |
| 01:52.38 | bpadalino | fixed focus on the pre is very weak .. agreed |
| 01:53.06 | jhojho | oh it's a junk cam |
| 01:53.06 | jhojho | b |
| 01:53.07 | jhojho | u |
| 01:53.16 | jhojho | but the challenge is to see what you can do with it |
| 01:53.59 | cryptk | ^^ |
| 01:54.01 | cryptk | agreed |
| 01:54.36 | bpadalino | take a blurry picture easily .. that's up there with what you can do |
| 01:54.36 | BeeRad | Hmmmm... |
| 01:55.25 | BeeRad | http://www.vimeo.com/12653214 |
| 01:55.32 | BeeRad | Latest mess around video. |
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| 01:56.12 | jhojho | well with enough light, it wont be blurry |
| 01:56.34 | bpadalino | no, it's a physics thing |
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| 01:56.57 | bpadalino | macro is just no good with the pre camera |
| 01:57.09 | jhojho | i didnt say anything about macro |
| 01:57.16 | BeeRad | agrees with bpadalino |
| 01:58.01 | BeeRad | You have to be several feet away from the subject and with the extended DOF software it captures detail in everything. I like separation. |
| 01:58.19 | BeeRad | I want the ability to do macro with tap to focus. |
| 01:59.31 | BeeRad | If you have a ton of natural light and stand far enought away....the Pres camera is really good. Get outside of those glass limits and it may not turn out so well. |
| 01:59.53 | bpadalino | BeeRad: next hardware will have better camera .. or so i've heard |
| 02:02.02 | BeeRad | Mark my words.....within the next year or two.....point and shoot cameras will be pointless and will fall away in the market. Cell phones will do it all. Flip will die, Canon/Sony/Panasonic compacts will die. |
| 02:02.52 | bpadalino | marked |
| 02:03.35 | BeeRad | lol |
| 02:05.21 | jhojho | I want RAW in the next camera =P |
| 02:05.42 | BeeRad | chokes on his ice cream. |
| 02:05.48 | BeeRad | Not asking for much are ya? |
| 02:06.06 | BeeRad | Pre2 better have TONS of storage. |
| 02:06.14 | BeeRad | 64gig minimum |
| 02:06.24 | bpadalino | you wouldn't just want SD card ? |
| 02:06.40 | BeeRad | Honestly? No. |
| 02:07.03 | BeeRad | I hate keeping track of cards as it is. |
| 02:08.03 | bpadalino | 32gb flash and 32gb sd card wouldn't be good for you ? |
| 02:08.11 | BeeRad | SD card slots take up space. |
| 02:08.21 | jhojho | RAW for a 4mp camera wont take up that much space |
| 02:09.02 | BeeRad | What would the file size be for an uncompressed photo at 4mp? |
| 02:09.22 | bpadalino | 3 bytes per pixel, 4e6 pixels |
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| 02:11.42 | BeeRad | You guys really think that not having removable storage is that limiting? |
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| 02:12.22 | Tman | is neutral |
| 02:12.45 | Kyusaku | I dunno I had to remove a bunch of songs and photos to make room for some games I wanted to buy |
| 02:12.46 | cryptk | it isn't so much a question of 'why?' for me as it is a question of 'why not?' |
| 02:12.49 | bpadalino | when it means having to put down 64GB flash chips .. it's silly to choose those chips |
| 02:13.39 | Kyusaku | I would like a removable SD card just for media like music. |
| 02:13.58 | Kyusaku | I don't hate the device for not having it |
| 02:14.21 | BeeRad | I guess it could be there for those who use it. |
| 02:14.35 | BeeRad | I personally have never really cared about it. |
| 02:15.25 | BeeRad | If it can somehow save space by not having it and it makes room for a gyro or I dont know...say...a BIGGER BATTERY...lol then I would rather not have the SD slot. |
| 02:15.38 | jhojho | I dont care if it has removable storage. |
| 02:15.39 | Kyusaku | also it would be cool if I could offload photos I've taken on a digital camera to storage temporarily or tweet some nice photos I've taken with the camera. |
| 02:15.47 | jhojho | i want it to have better battery life |
| 02:15.51 | jhojho | and more apps |
| 02:15.55 | jhojho | a better camera |
| 02:16.38 | Tman | I'm surprised they waived the $50 fee |
| 02:16.52 | Tman | I mean more apps is good yes |
| 02:16.56 | Tman | I just hope they're quality |
| 02:17.16 | bpadalino | i think the purpose of the featured apps app is to help sort through the muck |
| 02:17.48 | Tman | what about just fixing the hot apps in the catalog -_- |
| 02:18.17 | BeeRad | I get tired of people picking on the Pre for having a small screen size. It was intended to be this small. I think if the Pre actually had a NASA grade slider mechanism, we'd be laughing at everybody. However, here I am with a loose, sloppy feeling, not so good slider. I wish this thing were rock solid. |
| 02:18.49 | bpadalino | i hear the pixi is a pretty solid feeling phone |
| 02:19.02 | BeeRad | lol |
| 02:19.07 | BeeRad | It is. |
| 02:19.35 | Kyusaku | if the Pre and Pixi launched the same time I think I might have picked up the Pixi instead |
| 02:20.54 | BeeRad | Kyusaku: Now that Internals is sharing their knowledge with the lil fella, I think Im gonna pick one up anyway. |
| 02:21.30 | Kyusaku | I'm waiting for next gen device personally |
| 02:21.41 | BeeRad | Question to all: how much of a headache is it if you use the same Palm Profile between two different devices? I want to switch back and forth without making a whole new profile. |
| 02:22.22 | Kyusaku | will they e active at the same time? |
| 02:22.49 | BeeRad | No. |
| 02:23.04 | Kyusaku | then it shouldn't be a problem |
| 02:23.17 | bpadalino | rwhitby is the pro with the profiles it seems |
| 02:23.20 | bpadalino | he has a bunch |
| 02:23.37 | jhojho | like a billion |
| 02:23.46 | rwhitby | BeeRad: any existing device with the profile has /media/cryptofs/apps wiped |
| 02:23.47 | BeeRad | I mean, just switch back and forth. One phone off, other on. I though I heard someone say that if you switch to the other phone, then the previous one all but gets wiped. So when you go back to it, you have to reload everything. Truth? |
| 02:23.58 | BeeRad | rwhitby: Crap. |
| 02:24.44 | rwhitby | jhojho: I only have 9 profiles |
| 02:24.54 | jhojho | seems like a billion. |
| 02:24.57 | BeeRad | Do apps at least show up on the new device? I dont have to pay twice do I? |
| 02:25.28 | rwhitby | you don't have to pay twice |
| 02:26.12 | rwhitby | So one of my devices just got a webOS 1.4.1 update pushed to it. Looks like it was ntpdate only that was updated. |
| 02:26.18 | BeeRad | 9 profiles = 9 emails? Jeez. You just make stuff up for profiles sake? |
| 02:26.42 | rwhitby | BeeRad: 9 profiles for 8 devices |
| 02:27.39 | rwhitby | two normal profiles, then Europa, Virtura, Profilia, Donatia, Futura, Natura, and Dementia. |
| 02:28.33 | rwhitby | Eupora is a German language profile with paid access to the german app catalog on the Pre that I had activated in Germany. |
| 02:28.36 | BeeRad | A new profile requires a different email address does it not? Rod, you confuse me sometimes. :P |
| 02:29.03 | rwhitby | yes, you need an email address for each profile. I hear there's this new company called Google which gives them out for free ... |
| 02:29.18 | BeeRad | Rod.... |
| 02:29.32 | BeeRad | (nevermind) |
| 02:29.53 | BeeRad | I kinda sorta work with you now so I'll be nice. |
| 02:30.00 | rwhitby | And this Google company even lets you do automatic forwarding. It's pretty good - you should check it out ;) |
| 02:30.05 | BeeRad | ;) |
| 02:30.27 | rwhitby | I don't know why more people haven't heard of this Google thing. They do searching too. |
| 02:30.40 | bpadalino | is google like the new bing? |
| 02:30.48 | BeeRad | Did you know they own the YouTubes too? Crazy huh? |
| 02:31.00 | rwhitby | bpadalino: no, Altavista is the new bing |
| 02:31.06 | bpadalino | excellent |
| 02:31.18 | bpadalino | that Digital Electronics Corp has something going for it |
| 02:31.18 | rwhitby | Google is the new Gopher |
| 02:31.25 | bpadalino | they're onto something |
| 02:31.26 | BeeRad | I also heard they have a 2nd rate operating system for dumbphones. |
| 02:31.46 | cryptk | rwhitby, is there a way to access the filesystem on a pre through bootie? |
| 02:32.07 | rwhitby | cryptk: no. but just use memboot in Meta-Doctor |
| 02:32.16 | cryptk | ?? |
| 02:32.21 | cryptk | << never used meta doc... |
| 02:32.34 | rwhitby | you should check it out. I hear Google is interested in it ... |
| 02:32.48 | *** part/#webos-internals djk1 (~djk@ool-44c14efd.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 02:32.49 | BeeRad | rwhitby 's on a roll tonight. |
| 02:32.55 | rwhitby | (well, they list it on one of their web sites ....) |
| 02:32.59 | cryptk | hehe, I was way ahead of ya there |
| 02:33.58 | BeeRad | How does an ESN become bad? |
| 02:34.26 | rwhitby | stolen phone or account not paid are two ways |
| 02:34.38 | BeeRad | Can it ever be cleared? |
| 02:34.47 | BeeRad | is looking at Ebay Pixi's. |
| 02:35.44 | bpadalino | i think CL tends to have better prices |
| 02:36.35 | Tman | hmm is there any PDK or SDL way to get the date? |
| 02:36.48 | cryptk | jhojho says memboot won't do it |
| 02:37.29 | bpadalino | Tman: man 3 time |
| 02:37.42 | Tman | bpadalino: yeah I just thought of that x.x |
| 02:37.45 | bpadalino | :) |
| 02:38.22 | bpadalino | the first time, i thought of date .. |
| 02:38.25 | bpadalino | so i typed "man date" |
| 02:38.28 | bpadalino | and it felt a little funny |
| 02:39.36 | Tman | because it sounds like mandate or because it's not a C function? |
| 02:40.04 | bpadalino | because i've never been on a man date before |
| 02:40.42 | cryptk | doctoring now... |
| 02:40.49 | cryptk | woohoo! |
| 02:41.05 | Tman | oh :p |
| 02:41.31 | Tman | is anything I compile on WIDK supposed to work on pixi? |
| 02:44.14 | rwhitby | cryptk: meta-doctor memboot target followed by mount target will do it |
| 02:44.44 | cryptk | damn... maybe if jhojho is up for giving it another shot later I will try that |
| 02:45.11 | cryptk | would be nice to get at the boot logs to see why it was stuck in a reboot loop |
| 02:45.13 | jhojho | try it and report back =) |
| 02:45.29 | cryptk | I will, I am saving our conversation so I can re-do the test again later |
| 02:45.37 | bpadalino | bootie should be able to grab the last kernel log |
| 02:45.40 | bpadalino | not sure if that will help you |
| 02:46.33 | cryptk | bpadalino, indeed it would have, if it werent for the fact that my phone is half doctored already |
| 02:46.43 | cryptk | do you have any docs that show how to get that info from bootie? |
| 02:46.51 | cryptk | it will come in handy when I go to try this again later |
| 02:47.10 | bpadalino | get to teh bootie prompt and type help ? |
| 02:47.31 | cryptk | that would be great, lol |
| 02:47.36 | cryptk | I will do that next time |
| 02:47.37 | cryptk | lol |
| 02:47.56 | BeeRad | doesn't understand why sometimes his Pre will be nuclear hot when charging and other times not even warm. |
| 02:48.17 | cryptk | hrm... I am kinda interested in disabling the palm boot splash... |
| 02:48.39 | cryptk | the non-pulsing one... |
| 02:48.48 | cryptk | I wanna see the output... if there is any... |
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| 02:52.40 | rwhitby | cryptk: I say again, meta-doctor memboot followed by mount will let you get at the boot logs |
| 02:52.54 | cryptk | yep |
| 02:53.00 | cryptk | I am going to do that next time |
| 02:53.23 | rwhitby | and kmsg in bootie is useful too |
| 02:53.24 | cryptk | jhojho's concern is that the memboot wouldn't work if the libc is messed up |
| 02:53.46 | rwhitby | cryptk: well that's just silly, cause it's a memboot of a kernel and initramfs |
| 02:54.07 | rwhitby | it doesn't execute anything from the flasg |
| 02:54.11 | rwhitby | flash |
| 02:54.12 | cryptk | ok |
| 02:54.22 | cryptk | I will go for that next time for sure then |
| 02:54.53 | rwhitby | meta-doctor memboot is great for keyhole surgery |
| 02:55.07 | cryptk | def sounds like it is |
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| 02:58.51 | cryptk | rwhitby, any ideas on how to disable the boot splash? the non-pulsing one? |
| 02:58.58 | rwhitby | nope |
| 02:59.03 | cryptk | hrm... |
| 03:01.36 | rwhitby | egaudet_: ping |
| 03:02.26 | egaudet_ | rwhitby, pong |
| 03:02.46 | rwhitby | egaudet_: have you been following the EFV thread? |
| 03:03.11 | egaudet | a few posts earlier today |
| 03:03.30 | rwhitby | egaudet: I'm thinking of adding whitelisting of kernel files and the known not-a-problem stuff like charging.tga and roots.RW |
| 03:03.49 | egaudet | yeah I was thinking of that too |
| 03:04.25 | egaudet | I was going to post for people to stop worrying because EFV was made as a quick check for apt and aupt-2 bug, but there have been 2 OTA updates since |
| 03:04.54 | egaudet | but I think making EFV smarter and actually robust may be better idea |
| 03:05.12 | rwhitby | egaudet: I think it's still useful to get people to update from -3 to -4 if they have gone as far as running EFV |
| 03:08.38 | egaudet | -4 doesn't offer anything over -3 |
| 03:09.36 | rwhitby | oh, I thought -4 fixed the SMS Contacts problem |
| 03:09.41 | egaudet | well what I mean is -4 enabled the additional_files stuff, but -3 simply did not accept anything but .patch so there aren't any conflicts or issues with it |
| 03:09.55 | egaudet | SMS Contacts problem? |
| 03:18.20 | Tman | doesn't understand why there are apps in hot apps with horrible user ratings |
| 03:18.27 | Tman | competition* |
| 03:19.27 | rwhitby | egaudet: the SMS Tone Per Contacts patch that had problems in the last OTA |
| 03:19.37 | Tman | 1 or 2 stars, and somehow they got enough sales to win $1000 for their app. I don't have any apps to compete with but I think that's sickening |
| 03:20.04 | egaudet | rwhitby, it was happenstance that specific patch had issues I believe. |
| 03:20.40 | rwhitby | egaudet: so it will be ok with aupt-3 for this coming OTA you think? |
| 03:20.54 | egaudet | aupt-3 and aupt-4 both have the same bug still |
| 03:21.09 | egaudet | I can't say which patches will cause the bugs until the update comes out because it's a tricky bug |
| 03:22.00 | egaudet | when 2+ packages touch files in a package that gets updated but at least 1 of those files md5sum stays the same, the 2nd patch will not be able to remove correctly unless/until the first patch is removed |
| 03:23.40 | rwhitby | 2+ patches ? |
| 03:23.52 | egaudet | 2 or more |
| 03:24.18 | rwhitby | s/2+ packages/2+ patches/ |
| 03:24.40 | egaudet | yeah |
| 03:25.06 | rwhitby | I wonder if we can write a script and post a patch conflict list |
| 03:25.23 | rwhitby | "if you have problems with this patch, remove these other specific patches first" |
| 03:27.04 | egaudet | patch FOO touches files a, b, c. patch BAR touches files a, b, c. a, b, and c are part of the same package that gets updated. a and b's md5sums are different pre-OTA and post-OTA, but c's md5sum is the same pre-OTA and post-OTA. patch FOO correctly sees OTA and removes/installs, then later patch BAR can't remove because it's confused. It sees that a and b's md5sums changed so that indicates OTA but c's didn't |
| 03:27.04 | egaudet | so that indicates no OTA |
| 03:29.09 | egaudet | well I guess also if a patch touches 2 packages and only gets updated it's FUBAR'd |
| 03:29.19 | egaudet | s/only/only one/ |
| 03:30.04 | cryptk | in meta doc... if you bypass activation the phone cannot be sued for calls right? |
| 03:30.08 | cryptk | s/sued/used/ |
| 03:30.24 | rwhitby | cryptk: right |
| 03:30.45 | cryptk | that is what I thought, thanks! |
| 03:31.02 | cryptk | rwhitby, I like how you coded your favorite settings into the makefile, lol |
| 03:31.19 | Tman | anyone know of some good, clean, maybe monochrome icon sets that are good for webos? |
| 03:31.34 | rwhitby | cryptk: It's good to be the king |
| 03:31.41 | egaudet | rwhitby, this is why I want to re-do aupt to get out of the rootfs |
| 03:32.00 | egaudet | either bind mount each file or overlay (aufs module maybe) |
| 03:32.32 | bpadalino | Knuth making an earthshaking announcement on wednesday?!? how can i sleep??! |
| 03:32.54 | rwhitby | egaudet: technically, I agree. practically, I can't see tens of bind mounts being practical |
| 03:33.13 | egaudet | then after OTA, the overlay can be cleaned (all stock files) and then patch packages updated as normal packages (i.e. no remove/install specialness) |
| 03:33.15 | rwhitby | a single aufs overlay sounds reasonable |
| 03:33.21 | egaudet | rwhitby, what's wrong with it practically? |
| 03:33.40 | rwhitby | egaudet: dunno, it just feels wrong |
| 03:34.19 | egaudet | RHEL uses it for diskless clients |
| 03:34.19 | Tman | seems messy to me personally |
| 03:34.34 | rwhitby | egaudet: I can't see a situation where you'd just want to undo one of the bind mounts, so a full aufs overlay seems better to me |
| 03:34.53 | rwhitby | egaudet: they bind mount individual files? |
| 03:35.06 | egaudet | yeah |
| 03:35.09 | rwhitby | in numbers of 10's to 100's ? |
| 03:35.31 | egaudet | they have the ro root that gets bound, and then client-specific file list (that is in the 10's and expandable to however much you need to be writeable on the client) |
| 03:35.39 | egaudet | s/bound/mounted/ |
| 03:36.04 | egaudet | the client-specific files are all bind-mounted from a snapshot directory which is nfs-mounted |
| 03:36.20 | rwhitby | file list, or mixture of mostly directories and a couple of files? |
| 03:36.27 | egaudet | but I agree that aufs is the ideal solution |
| 03:36.39 | egaudet | file list |
| 03:36.42 | egaudet | no directories |
| 03:37.03 | egaudet | they have a file named 'files' which lists each file that needs to be client-specific (and rw) |
| 03:37.20 | rwhitby | so, we need an aufs module then |
| 03:37.28 | egaudet | (yes cat /proc/mounts is really really ugly lol) |
| 03:37.51 | egaudet | rwhitby, yeah I'm still working on the modules packaging |
| 03:38.09 | egaudet | if aufs works better than unionfs-fuse than it will be good |
| 03:40.04 | egaudet | upstart will be key to the aufs system too |
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| 03:42.44 | rwhitby | yeah, we need the right triggers for OTA updates |
| 03:42.53 | egaudet | stop on started start_update |
| 03:44.42 | Tman | this sounds great.. keep up the good work |
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| 03:54.57 | hborders | hi |
| 03:55.07 | egaudet | hmm I don't even know where to get aufs |
| 03:55.31 | hborders | so, I think I have liboauth building fine in WIDK. I was actually able to run its example code on my pre |
| 03:56.00 | hborders | however, I can't build with liboauth.a using pdk on my mac |
| 03:57.25 | bpadalino | uh oh |
| 03:57.26 | bpadalino | why not ? |
| 03:58.27 | hborders | I'm getting linker errors saying it can't find liboauth symbols |
| 03:58.50 | hborders | if I "ar -t liboauth.a" everything is fine |
| 03:58.58 | Tman | hborders: btw you can use the .a you built with WIDK and just link to it when you build your app with PDK |
| 03:59.15 | hborders | tman: that's what I tried last night |
| 03:59.20 | hborders | tman: it is not working |
| 03:59.36 | Tman | oh, build /with/ liboauth.a. sorry |
| 03:59.54 | hborders | np |
| 04:00.30 | bpadalino | hborders: what is the output and how are you linking ? |
| 04:01.29 | hborders | Here is my compile line. it looks very similar to what make outputs when I build with WIDK |
| 04:01.36 | bpadalino | please paste online |
| 04:01.40 | hborders | arm-none-linux-gnueabi-gcc -mcpu=arm1136jf-s -mfpu=vfp -mfloat-abi=softfp -I/opt/PalmPDK/include -I/opt/PalmPDK/include/SDL -I/Users/hborders/xcode-workspaces/personal/pdk-samples/simple/mac --sysroot=/opt/PalmPDK/arm-gcc/sysroot /Users/hborders/xcode-workspaces/personal/pdk-samples/simple/mac/liboauth.a -L/opt/PalmPDK/device/lib -L/Users/hborders/xcode-workspaces/personal/pdk-samples/simple/mac -Wl,--allow-shlib-undefine |
| 04:01.40 | hborders | -lcrypto -lcurl -lz -lssl -o Build_Device/oauthexample oauthexample.c |
| 04:02.35 | hborders | inside /Users/hborders/xcode-workspaces/personal/pdk-samples/simple/mac I have liboauth.a, libssl.so, libcrypto.so, libcurl.so, and libz.so |
| 04:03.42 | bpadalino | and the errors ? |
| 04:04.26 | bpadalino | paste online, please |
| 04:04.37 | hborders | yes, doing that right now |
| 04:05.05 | ka6sox-work | hborders, webos-internals.pastebin.com please. |
| 04:05.37 | hborders | http://webos.pastebin.com/QEHkuEKk |
| 04:06.16 | hborders | ka6sox-work: the channel says webos.pastebin.com |
| 04:06.44 | bpadalino | do you still get ./Build_Device/oauthexample ? |
| 04:06.50 | ka6sox-work | right |
| 04:06.58 | ka6sox-work | there it is! |
| 04:09.03 | hborders | lemme see. |
| 04:09.17 | hborders | no |
| 04:09.19 | hborders | nothing in there |
| 04:09.40 | hborders | here's something interesting: I changed to use the .so version of liboauth, and everything works |
| 04:09.51 | hborders | do you think this is a problem with mixing static and dynamic libs? |
| 04:10.11 | hborders | can I not satisfy dependencies on static libs with dynamic ones? |
| 04:10.14 | bpadalino | so when you try to statically link it, things are no good .. but dynamic works well ? |
| 04:11.03 | hborders | when I do static liboauth.a, dynamic libcurl, libssl, libcrypto, libz, it doesn't work |
| 04:11.24 | hborders | when I do dynamic liboauth, libcurl, libssl, libcrypto, libz, it seems to work |
| 04:11.32 | hborders | i just did it with no errors |
| 04:11.32 | bpadalino | neat |
| 04:11.39 | bpadalino | good luck running it .. |
| 04:11.43 | hborders | yes |
| 04:11.46 | hborders | there's the rub |
| 04:15.18 | Kyusaku | what would be a good way to log what is locking up a Pre? The last few kernels have been giving me lockups with luna restart most often when closing apps. |
| 04:16.10 | Abyssul | Doesnt WebOS log its events automatically? |
| 04:17.05 | Kyusaku | I think I turned off the comprehensive logging a while back |
| 04:17.12 | Abyssul | Turn it back on |
| 04:17.19 | Abyssul | and duplicate the problem |
| 04:17.24 | Abyssul | then look at the log |
| 04:17.35 | Kyusaku | where is the log saved |
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| 04:19.04 | Abyssul | You can have the app create the log for you |
| 04:19.45 | Abyssul | "Quick Log Create" in hte collect Logs app |
| 04:19.53 | rwhitby | Kyusaku: bootie has a command to show the kernel messages, they are stored in RAM, so as long as you can keep the RAM powered you can see them |
| 04:21.01 | Kyusaku | rwhitby: I don't think the device had powered down since last few lockups, is there a wiki on the process or is it simple? |
| 04:23.36 | rwhitby | Kyusaku: get into recovery mode and novaterm in |
| 04:23.42 | rwhitby | then you're speaking to bootie |
| 04:26.52 | Kyusaku | how do I get into recovery mode without powering down? |
| 04:27.34 | Kyusaku | just restart device while holding up vol? |
| 04:30.44 | rwhitby | tellbootie recover |
| 04:37.01 | Kyusaku | it's in recovery mode but having trouble connecting via novaterm |
| 04:39.41 | rwhitby | hit return to see the prompy |
| 04:40.07 | Kyusaku | rwhitby: ok disconnected device and reconnected and connected via novaterm with non-descript prompt |
| 04:41.03 | rwhitby | help |
| 04:41.05 | rwhitby | klog list |
| 04:42.04 | Kyusaku | ok that's producing output |
| 04:42.04 | rwhitby | diag boot is a nice one :) |
| 04:42.38 | Kyusaku | anything in particular I should be looking for? |
| 04:42.49 | ka6sox-work | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Bootie |
| 04:44.24 | Abyssul | rwhitby: Have you looked at this? http://forums.precentral.net/general-webos-chat/247118-hack-pre-tracking-logging-graphing-snmp-ish.html |
| 04:44.27 | Kyusaku | when I did help it actually only displayed the first 2 lines fully |
| 04:44.53 | Kyusaku | lboot was half empty |
| 04:45.07 | Kyusaku | and the rest is a vertical line of letters |
| 04:45.33 | Kyusaku | klog list displayed 2 lines |
| 04:47.47 | rwhitby | Abyssul: yep |
| 04:48.11 | rwhitby | Kyusaku: are you running a real novaterm, or some substitute? |
| 04:48.26 | Kyusaku | windows client |
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| 04:49.17 | Kyusaku | the windows client of novaterm |
| 04:49.38 | rwhitby | from Palm or elsewhere? |
| 04:49.48 | rwhitby | (I didn't think the windows SDK had a novaterm in it) |
| 04:50.13 | Kyusaku | from WebOS Internals wiki |
| 04:50.16 | Abyssul | That chart is nearly impossible to understand... but i like his concept. I've always wanted a way to log the on/off of the data radios |
| 04:50.57 | Kyusaku | I think the windows SDK does let me check |
| 04:52.18 | Kyusaku | hmmm nope just novacom and novacomd |
| 04:58.50 | Kyusaku | rwhitby: should I consider switching to a linux enviroment to proceed? |
| 04:59.56 | rwhitby | Kyusaku: possibly, dunno. |
| 05:00.22 | rwhitby | klog 0 should have at least shown you the bootie header and initial boot information |
| 05:02.26 | Kyusaku | klog list produced " klog header at 0x8ff00000: magic 06b6c6f67 version 1 len 1048576 buffer count 4 current 1 |
| 05:03.05 | Kyusaku | kbuf at 0x8ff00024 len 262116, head 34471, tail 24472 |
| 05:03.16 | Kyusaku | errr tail 34472 |
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| 05:03.44 | rwhitby | you didn't see a list of four buffers after that? |
| 05:04.06 | Kyusaku | rwhitby: nope blank lines |
| 05:04.28 | rwhitby | so klog list shows you how many lines of output? |
| 05:04.33 | rwhitby | I see 6 |
| 05:04.53 | Kyusaku | 6 including the header |
| 05:06.49 | Kyusaku | doing the novaterm stuff on another machine, I could switch it to a linux enviroment via a live CD if you prefer, seems like this noavterm client on windows doesn't play well with bootie |
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| 05:19.49 | Kyusaku | gonna load up Ubuntu to see if I can get better results |
| 05:28.03 | Tman | um what clockspeed does a Pixi run PDK apps at? |
| 05:32.33 | rwhitby | what PDK apps run on Pixi ? |
| 05:33.28 | Tman | idk, do they :s |
| 05:33.59 | Tman | well you can compile PDK apps for pixi so I'd assume so |
| 05:34.24 | Tman | anyway.. I'm asking for an app that I will probably be making |
| 05:40.34 | Tman | that will be released with the major OS release palm promised in the fall |
| 05:44.25 | Kyusaku | PDK apps don't run until 1.4.5 but I'm guessing they run at 600Mhz |
| 05:47.21 | Kyusaku | rwhitby: booted into a Linux enviroment and novaterm'd in |
| 05:48.37 | Tman | shh.. NDA :) |
| 05:50.09 | Kyusaku | that's public knowledge about running on Pixi as of 1.4.5 I think Palm announced it |
| 05:51.14 | Kyusaku | rwhitby: things are displaying better in Linux let me know what you need |
| 05:51.42 | Kyusaku | I see all 4 kbuf lines now |
| 05:51.55 | Tman | ah k |
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| 05:59.36 | ka6sox-work | djkl you awake? |
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| 06:10.20 | geist | dumb novacom trick: novacom get file://klog |
| 06:10.27 | geist | well, against bootie |
| 06:18.25 | Kyusaku | would that get what rwhitby needs? |
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| 06:27.06 | jhoatt1 | looks for testers to run warthog-62 |
| 06:31.34 | rwhitby | geist: nice |
| 06:35.27 | Kyusaku | very nice |
| 06:37.40 | rwhitby | tries that after a power wiggle |
| 06:38.04 | rwhitby | <6>Initiate hardkey triggered Emergency reboot |
| 06:38.05 | rwhitby | nice |
| 06:38.43 | rwhitby | geist: any way to get into bootie with klog intact on a hard kernel crash that doesn't repond to power wiggle ? |
| 06:38.59 | rwhitby | you need to keep SRAM intact, right? |
| 06:39.53 | rwhitby | (which may preclude pulling the battery to clear a hard kernel hang) |
| 06:41.40 | Kyusaku | rwhitby: should I redirect the klog output and send it to you |
| 06:42.01 | rwhitby | Kyusaku: which kernel? |
| 06:43.32 | Kyusaku | uberkernel 1.4.1.1-58 |
| 06:43.35 | Kyusaku | on a sprint pre |
| 06:51.41 | rwhitby | Kyusaku: are you running at 125 or 250 at any stage? |
| 06:51.53 | geist | rwhitby: actually yeah |
| 06:51.57 | geist | there's a trick we discovered |
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| 06:52.09 | geist | only works on pre as far as i know |
| 06:52.27 | geist | but if you get a wedged pre, power wiggle wiggle doesn't work |
| 06:52.33 | Kyusaku | rwhitby: no, default userspace 500Mhz with compcache |
| 06:52.43 | geist | plug in usb, take the back off, hold volume up and pop the battery out |
| 06:53.15 | geist | basically popping the battery out will cause the cpu to lose its power rail for long enough to reboot it, but then it'll start powering off usb |
| 06:53.21 | geist | enough to not completely wipe dram |
| 06:53.27 | rwhitby | sweet |
| 06:53.40 | geist | by holding volume+ it'll drop directly into bootie |
| 06:53.45 | geist | and then you can grab the klog |
| 06:54.12 | geist | klog is kept in dram, but dram wont degrade for a few hundred ms if you pull power from it |
| 06:55.36 | rwhitby | and the usb is enough for that |
| 06:56.42 | geist | oh absolutely |
| 06:57.06 | geist | generally speaking you can boot the system on usb, it just can't power the radio |
| 06:57.20 | geist | and there are various boot checks to keep folks from running it without a battery |
| 06:57.29 | jhoatt1 | drat |
| 06:57.50 | geist | generally there's a bootie environment variable skip_battery_check that turns that off |
| 06:57.51 | jhoatt1 | the treo used to run without a batt. useful |
| 06:57.52 | rwhitby | I can test this now - I have a device here which I can consistently hang when running screenstate governor minimum at 125MHz or 250MHz when the screen is turned back on (not that I recommend running things that slow) |
| 06:58.10 | geist | forget if that's enabled in production builds |
| 06:58.56 | rwhitby | geist: there's a chargebypass variable there, but I expect that's different |
| 06:59.06 | geist | yeah, it is |
| 06:59.27 | geist | charge bypass is exctly the circuit in the pre to let the system run directly from the usb 5v |
| 06:59.41 | geist | it's controlled a gpio. generally turned off once the system is up and running |
| 07:00.36 | geist | otherwise the usb 5v is just another input to the battery charger, and the vbatt rail is the one that drives the voltage regulators |
| 07:00.51 | rwhitby | ok, the vol+battpull trick worked. A tiny bit of corruption in the log: |
| 07:00.53 | rwhitby | <6>Timeout in prcm_check_power_domain_status(), domain 9, desired state 1, current \363tate 3 |
| 07:01.05 | geist | yeah, you may get some corruption |
| 07:01.14 | rwhitby | but definitely very useful |
| 07:01.17 | geist | if it happens to corrupt the header then it'll show up as no klog |
| 07:01.38 | geist | the klog structure is mostly just a header with a head/tail/length pointer |
| 07:01.50 | rwhitby | yeah, and some magic numbers I guess |
| 07:02.00 | geist | and the code that reads it back just does a ton of bounds checks on the pointers so it at least wont crash |
| 07:02.21 | geist | might return garbage if it checks out but is corrupted, but most likely it'll just fail the check and return no klog |
| 07:02.52 | geist | yah, you can read it directly if you mmap /dev/mem where the klog= argument is on the kernel |
| 07:03.04 | geist | that's pretty much eexactly what the klog utlity does |
| 07:03.47 | rwhitby | I wonder if there's a way to stop the radio powering up so that a dev device can be permanently powered over USB ... |
| 07:04.01 | geist | sure, dont run the TIL task |
| 07:04.13 | geist | i think it whacks the gpio that powers up the radio |
| 07:04.21 | geist | similarly there's a charge_bypass gpio in /sys |
| 07:04.31 | geist | if you set it to whatever it generally isn't you can remove the battery |
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| 07:05.05 | rwhitby | ah, I now see a "checkbatt = 1" in printenv in bootie |
| 07:05.08 | geist | powerd usually messes with it |
| 07:05.24 | geist | skip_battery_check is another one. it's not set to anything by default |
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| 07:05.34 | geist | but it's a master switch taht tells bootie to basically pretend the battery isn't there |
| 07:05.50 | rwhitby | oh, is checkbatt the status of whether the battery was there when bootie started? |
| 07:05.52 | geist | and then it'll pass it on the command line and i think powerd reads it and does the same |
| 07:06.03 | geist | no, checkbatt is something else |
| 07:06.30 | geist | bootie is continually testing the presence of the battery |
| 07:06.43 | geist | it has a background task doing it, i believe |
| 07:07.30 | rwhitby | root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rootwait ro fb=0x8f600000 fbcon=disable console=tty1 nduid=... klog=0x8ff00000 klog_len=0x100000 skip_battery_check=1 boardtype=castle-dvt3 dsp_base=0x8f900000 dsp_len=0x600000 |
| 07:07.40 | rwhitby | looks like skip_battery_check is being passed through |
| 07:07.57 | geist | ah, you musta been mucking with this thing then |
| 07:08.11 | rwhitby | I just setenv'd it in bootie and fsbooted |
| 07:08.25 | geist | ah |
| 07:08.34 | geist | powerd is probably not going to try to charge, i think |
| 07:10.08 | jhoatt1 | mebbe |
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| 07:11.15 | rwhitby | is still looking for the equivalent of saveenv :) |
| 07:11.51 | geist | come on, i practically told you precisely how the env is stored |
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| 07:14.49 | rwhitby | oh, I know it's in the 16KB section in nvram, but was hoping there was an easy way to write it from bootie cmdline rather than having to get into userspace and write it |
| 07:16.17 | rwhitby | good old castle.xml and trenchcoat will do for that ... |
| 07:16.50 | geist | no |
| 07:16.58 | geist | no way in bootie |
| 07:17.15 | rwhitby | yeah, I figured that would be removed from production builds |
| 07:17.20 | geist | it's not in production builds |
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| 07:26.25 | Kyusaku | rwhitby: let me know if you need any more details regarding what I'm using |
| 07:26.45 | rwhitby | Kyusaku: oh, right. yeah, send me the logs if you like. |
| 07:28.40 | Kyusaku | rwhitby: ok will mail in a sec, if you don't find anything useful I'll try to pull klog more immediately from the time it has locked up. |
| 07:29.00 | rwhitby | Kyusaku: ok |
| 07:34.28 | lonelygrrl | anyone knows how to get rid of the persistent connection to palmws.com:xmpp-client |
| 07:35.15 | lonelygrrl | always have that connection open and I wonder if I could save some extra juice by disabling it? |
| 07:35.22 | jhoatt1 | edit /etc/hosts |
| 07:36.14 | lonelygrrl | jhoatt1: does that work, because when i do a nslookup for the ip I got in netstat -a |
| 07:36.36 | lonelygrrl | I got palmws.com, but I'm unsure if that's the address synergy uses. |
| 07:37.07 | jhoatt1 | dunno.try it. report back |
| 07:37.13 | rwhitby | lonelygrrl: that will pubsub |
| 07:37.30 | jhoatt1 | you should be able to sniff the traffic |
| 07:37.55 | jhoatt1 | yeah it's pusub. maybe the fabled mojo messaging service |
| 07:38.12 | lonelygrrl | rwhitby: sorry for being naive but I don't know what you meant by pubsub |
| 07:38.22 | rwhitby | it's the thing which causes your device to reset if you use the same profile elsewhere |
| 07:38.30 | rwhitby | lonelygrrl: publish/subscribe |
| 07:38.46 | rwhitby | lonelygrrl: there is a service running on the device which handles it. |
| 07:39.07 | rwhitby | unless you don't want app catalog and profile and stuff to work, it'll need to stay I think |
| 07:39.48 | lonelygrrl | rwhitby: ok,... I see. that's weird because it makes a persistent connection instead of doing a pool interval |
| 07:41.20 | lonelygrrl | also, I found it funny when I couldn't log in to my google talk by the pre on my campus network |
| 07:41.42 | lonelygrrl | but I could do it with my laptop |
| 07:42.14 | ka6sox-work | wonder what happens when an nvram gets scrambled...seen a lot of scrambled nvrams. |
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| 07:50.22 | rwhitby | lonelygrrl: a persistent connection can be easier on the battery than polling |
| 07:51.08 | ka6sox-work | polling is why cellphones die quicker in bad coverage areas. |
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| 08:03.14 | rwhitby | boots a Pre from USB alone, no battery. |
| 08:03.32 | rwhitby | powerd and TIL are not happy about it :) |
| 08:06.15 | ka6sox-work | nitenite TIL and powerd should be not running if charger_detect found the USB properly |
| 08:07.04 | ka6sox-work | well..maybe it just stops powering down things. |
| 08:07.14 | ka6sox-work | so I'm probably wrong about that. |
| 08:08.18 | rwhitby | cute - the battery icon has a question mark in it when powerd is not running :) |
| 08:09.08 | rwhitby | ka6sox-work: yeah, stop TIL and powerd and everyone is quiet and happily running from USB only |
| 08:09.58 | ka6sox-work | the pre ought to last forever with all that done. |
| 08:11.58 | rwhitby | ka6sox-work: in powerd, we have the strings 'maxtemp' and 'Set maximum temperature before shutdown (default 60)' |
| 08:12.12 | rwhitby | and temprate and @Expected maxiumum temperature slew rate (default 12) |
| 08:12.32 | ka6sox-work | that sounds like the charging setup |
| 08:12.37 | rwhitby | and fasthalt and On overtemp, shut down quickly not cleanly |
| 08:12.58 | rwhitby | yeah, these will be battery temps |
| 08:13.00 | ka6sox-work | ya that sounds like battery. |
| 08:13.24 | ka6sox-work | okay well...what I'm working on is "different' |
| 08:13.29 | ka6sox-work | :D |
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| 08:23.18 | rwhitby | heh - without powerd running, the display never goes off, even though it stops responding to touch (so I assume the device has gone to sleep) |
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| 08:24.18 | ka6sox-work | what happens when you push the white button? |
| 08:25.14 | ka6sox-work | (or is it a plus) |
| 08:27.02 | rwhitby | nothing |
| 08:30.24 | Kyusaku | when you "wake" does lock screen show? |
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| 08:33.44 | rwhitby | nope |
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| 08:41.43 | ka6sox-work | is hidd running? |
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| 09:09.24 | bhuey | rwhitby: 24M compcache is nice on a overclocked pre |
| 09:09.35 | bhuey | 32M is too big and I get irregular pausing |
| 09:10.07 | bhuey | there's one major side effect that I don't like. the camera can take a very long time to load 30-60+ seconds |
| 09:10.26 | rwhitby | bhuey: I'm thinking of adding a 20MB option between 16 and 24 too |
| 09:11.40 | rwhitby | bbl |
| 09:11.47 | bhuey | cool |
| 09:11.55 | bhuey | yeah, the pre is definitely faster |
| 09:12.10 | bhuey | the problem is that pathological condition is a freak'n pain in the ass |
| 09:12.29 | bhuey | I waited a long time for it load and become responsive again |
| 09:12.47 | bhuey | and then I had done the orange-r-sym death combo |
| 09:12.49 | bhuey | the device restarte |
| 09:13.02 | bhuey | but it was really just badly stalled on something |
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| 09:58.16 | Karotte_exe | hi |
| 09:58.38 | Karotte_exe | i have a question |
| 09:58.55 | Karotte_exe | and thistime REALLY about internals xD |
| 09:59.35 | Karotte_exe | i want to install the patch" multi mod" for the browser |
| 09:59.49 | Karotte_exe | but preware gives me always an IPK-error |
| 10:00.20 | Karotte_exe | Postinst\n-1: Unable to run command: IPKG_OFFLINE_ROOT=/media/cryptofs/apps /bin/sh /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/lib/ipkg/info/org.webosinternals.patches.browser-multi-mod.postinst 2>&1\nThe next patch would create the file usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.browser/app/controllers/downloaddialog-assistant.js,\nwhich already exists! Assume -R? [n]\nApply anyway? [n]\n1 out of 1 hunk ignored -- saving rejects to file usr/palm/applications/ |
| 10:00.36 | Karotte_exe | that here ist the holly shit |
| 10:00.46 | Karotte_exe | can someone help me? |
| 10:01.11 | Karotte_exe | I have a Palm Pre withWebOS 1.4.1 GSM O2 |
| 10:02.53 | ka6sox-work | Karotte_exe, its middle of the night in US (as you know) so be patient...somebody might have seen this (I haven't) |
| 10:05.15 | Karotte_exe | no problem ^^ i know your time. i have enough time to wait xD |
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| 11:06.51 | ka6sox-work | rwhitby, what did you do to stop TIL? |
| 11:07.17 | ka6sox-work | if I attempt to stop /usr/bin/TILCdma then it just goes off into space |
| 11:07.28 | ka6sox-work | and /usr/event.d/TIL is RO. |
| 11:08.04 | ka6sox-work | whoops |
| 11:08.14 | ka6sox-work | make that /etc/event.d/TIL is RO. |
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| 11:10.47 | swisstomcat | hey |
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| 11:21.03 | rwhitby | ka6sox-work: stop the upstart job |
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| 12:55.00 | nn7 | anyone grab a copy of that lemmings game that was ported? |
| 12:55.43 | Templarian | Nah, but it looked nice. |
| 12:57.55 | swisstomcat | it's supposed to come to the catalog |
| 12:58.02 | swisstomcat | probably july 15th |
| 12:58.08 | swisstomcat | when the pdk contest starts |
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| 14:29.49 | rwhitby | BTW, I posted http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=2532084, but I don't think anyone saw it. |
| 14:32.17 | swisstomcat | interesting |
| 14:32.23 | swisstomcat | preware.is.awesome.com :) |
| 14:32.29 | swisstomcat | who came up with that idea? |
| 14:32.44 | rwhitby | oh, you can put anything there. |
| 14:33.22 | swisstomcat | and it will be replaced with the kernel testing feed url? |
| 14:33.25 | rwhitby | the first draft of that post had http://www.google.com/is/good/for/searching/for/kernel/testing/feeds/ |
| 14:33.48 | swisstomcat | hehe |
| 14:34.14 | rwhitby | the feed names webos-kernels, webos-kernels-testing, webos-patches and webos-patches-testing are special |
| 14:34.35 | rwhitby | (mainly cause Preware has to replace the version number in them after an OTA update) |
| 14:34.50 | rwhitby | so I just overwrite them with the correct feed value |
| 14:35.48 | rwhitby | which makes the reports of people having problems because they put the wrong URL in even funnier to read |
| 14:36.23 | rwhitby | everyone is focusing on the URL so much that they don't get the feed name right :) |
| 14:36.23 | swisstomcat | oh, i see |
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| 16:09.21 | en0x | hmm |
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| 17:19.05 | Karotte_exe | möp |
| 17:19.09 | Karotte_exe | ^^ |
| 17:19.10 | Karotte_exe | hi |
| 17:19.22 | Karotte_exe | i have a question again |
| 17:19.35 | Karotte_exe | but now REALLY about webos-internals |
| 17:20.15 | Karotte_exe | i want to install the patch "multi mod" for the browser |
| 17:20.44 | Karotte_exe | but Preware gives me always an IPK-error |
| 17:20.49 | Karotte_exe | here it is: |
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| 17:21.30 | Karotte_exe | Postinst\n-1: Unable to run command: IPKG_OFFLINE_ROOT=/media/cryptofs/apps /bin/sh /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/lib/ipkg/info/org.webosinternals.patches.browser-multi-mod.postinst 2>&1\nThe next patch would create the file usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.browser/app/controllers/downloaddialog-assistant.js,\nwhich already exists! Assume -R? [n]\nApply anyway? [n]\n1 out of 1 hunk ignored -- saving rejects to file usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.b |
| 17:21.41 | Karotte_exe | what can i do? |
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| 17:33.36 | Karotte_exe | huhu? |
| 17:35.07 | ka6sox | hulu? |
| 17:35.20 | Karotte_exe | ^^ |
| 17:36.05 | Karotte_exe | ka6sox: can you help me? |
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| 17:37.05 | ka6sox | unfortunately I can't. this is out of my area. |
| 17:37.19 | Karotte_exe | fu**! |
| 17:38.11 | ka6sox | no need to get testy. |
| 17:38.17 | uNiXpSyChO | WTF? |
| 17:38.40 | egaudet | Karotte_exe, you had it installed before? |
| 17:38.41 | Karotte_exe | i didn't want to be unpolite |
| 17:38.51 | Karotte_exe | ahm.. yes |
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| 17:39.08 | egaudet | how long ago |
| 17:39.23 | Karotte_exe | i think... |
| 17:39.26 | Karotte_exe | ahm... |
| 17:39.37 | Karotte_exe | 4-5 months? |
| 17:39.48 | Karotte_exe | it was definetly webOS 1.3.5 |
| 17:40.53 | Karotte_exe | is that the problem? |
| 17:41.23 | Karotte_exe | egaudet: would be that the problem? |
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| 17:47.52 | Karotte_exe | should i delete the file the files with internalz? |
| 17:51.34 | Karotte_exe | OMG! how can i remove the files? with Internaz it didn't work |
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| 18:07.03 | egaudet | Karotte_exe, yeah that's probably the issue (aupt-2 removal had a bug that didn't remove created files) |
| 18:07.43 | egaudet | rm the files with terminal, novaterm, QI command line |
| 18:08.00 | egaudet | just the file that it says it "would create" |
| 18:08.13 | Karotte_exe | oh... ahm... ^^ |
| 18:09.25 | Karotte_exe | i 'm running now the Emergency Patch Recover o.o |
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| 18:09.46 | egaudet | k |
| 18:15.46 | Karotte_exe | egaudet: hm... the patch remover takes very long... is that normal? |
| 18:18.59 | Karotte_exe | hm... im rebooting |
| 18:19.04 | Karotte_exe | im brb |
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| 18:19.51 | egaudet | yes |
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| 19:06.46 | Kyusaku | rwhitby: judging by what bhuey was saying earlier, the issue I was reporting on is probably related to having compcache at 32MB, I'll lower it to 24MB and see if I still run into the issue |
| 19:17.55 | MetaView | how is the patch server going? |
| 19:18.15 | ka6sox | 70% of the way there. |
| 19:19.04 | MetaView | cool, thx |
| 19:19.35 | ka6sox | Pixi has been running icecast for 45minutes transcoding to 128kb streaming, 6+ loadavg, 59C max temp. |
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| 19:20.50 | ka6sox | uNiXpSyChO, its not gonna melt thru the floor and kill nearby animals. |
| 19:22.26 | ka6sox | I stole a fan from the traffic manager. |
| 19:23.15 | uNiXpSyChO | The FCC will be calling |
| 19:23.25 | ka6sox | it meets specs... |
| 19:23.56 | ka6sox | the Pixi Police however....they might come a' calling. |
| 19:24.40 | ka6sox | Go Pixi... |
| 19:25.04 | uNiXpSyChO | you're cutting into Military wavebands |
| 19:25.05 | ka6sox | I am afraid to try this on the pre...it might roll over and die. |
| 19:26.15 | ka6sox | the load avg isn't really any worse than I normally see |
| 19:26.57 | ka6sox | okay fan got it down to 54C |
| 19:27.23 | ka6sox | and still dropping. |
| 19:27.41 | Mousey | you ADDED A FAN?! |
| 19:27.48 | ka6sox | now with the case off it probably doesnt' meet FCC specs. |
| 19:27.49 | halfhalo_class | OH GOD |
| 19:27.54 | ka6sox | mousey.... |
| 19:28.02 | halfhalo_class | Speaking of fans, my new video card is amazingness |
| 19:28.18 | halfhalo_class | Old card (9800GTX+) was at 105C underload |
| 19:28.19 | ka6sox | Mousey, its not decoding this time...its encoding... |
| 19:28.23 | halfhalo_class | New card? |
| 19:28.27 | halfhalo_class | 70C |
| 19:28.35 | Mousey | i thought you added a fan to your phone |
| 19:28.40 | Mousey | sorry |
| 19:28.41 | Mousey | ^_^ |
| 19:28.56 | ka6sox | no, the pixi is amazingness. |
| 19:29.26 | Mousey | i wish they'd let me replace the pre with the pixi for my wife |
| 19:29.32 | ka6sox | well..technically a pixi plus |
| 19:29.48 | MetaView | would also switch a Pre with a Pixi |
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| 19:30.07 | ka6sox | nfs mounted the media over a wifi nfs connection and icecast 128kb streaming. |
| 19:30.18 | Mousey | niiice |
| 19:31.42 | ka6sox | okay time to put the new server online and retire the pixi...1hr 4 minutes and still working great. |
| 19:33.05 | ka6sox | no can do....20 minutes left in Vivaldi. |
| 19:33.16 | halfhalo_class | lol |
| 19:35.02 | ka6sox | ah, they gave me a break... |
| 19:35.16 | halfhalo_class | literally I hope |
| 19:35.40 | ka6sox | its @ 49C now and still ticking |
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| 19:36.45 | ka6sox | pixi works great... I want another. |
| 19:37.11 | halfhalo_class | Just walk into an att store and be like "Pixi's. All of them. Now" |
| 19:38.00 | ka6sox | I already have 2, a third my wife would probably look at me funny. |
| 19:38.22 | ka6sox | I'd be called a Pixi Rancher. |
| 19:41.40 | ka6sox | thanks Palm....the Pixi Rocks! |
| 19:42.21 | halfhalo_class | 20 seconds later pixi esplods |
| 19:42.53 | ka6sox | no small children or animals were harmed in this production. |
| 19:43.11 | halfhalo_class | except for that one kid |
| 19:43.31 | ka6sox | "twas just a flesh wound" |
| 19:43.33 | halfhalo_class | Yay timesheets! |
| 19:43.47 | halfhalo_class | Boo not working half the time I should have! |
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| 20:32.03 | F105tester | anyone here, qq about wIRC freenode setup if someone has a sec |
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| 20:51.11 | TAMHAN-OTG | hi folks |
| 20:51.13 | TAMHAN-OTG | anyone in |
| 20:53.13 | TAMHAN-OTG | well cucu |
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| 21:12.00 | TheInvsbleMan | I fixed the Facebook Chat Spoof patch http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=2533122#post2533122 |
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| 21:23.54 | oc80z | what was the issue , eh? |
| 21:25.48 | TheInvsbleMan | Facebook changed the ip address of chat.facebook.com |
| 21:26.46 | oc80z | ooh |
| 21:27.27 | oc80z | thanks |
| 21:27.34 | TheInvsbleMan | no problem |
| 21:27.44 | TheInvsbleMan | I submitted the patch to dbsooner's web portal |
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| 21:35.39 | oc80z | really , heh. |
| 21:36.44 | oc80z | i see no reason to patch. |
| 21:36.53 | TheInvsbleMan | Why not? |
| 21:36.56 | oc80z | oh, nvm. |
| 21:37.16 | oc80z | thanks. |
| 21:37.43 | TheInvsbleMan | Sure |
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| 21:52.36 | scoutcamper | is rwhitby here? |
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| 22:00.12 | zsoc | Tman: hey, how is Agar coming along? |
| 22:00.44 | scoutcamper | is anyone working on a streamng netflix video app? |
| 22:01.26 | zsoc | scoutcamper: i would imagine only netflix could work on that |
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| 22:39.42 | oc80z | govnah still has bugs. |
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| 22:40.54 | Marajin | oc80z: no no, those're feeeatures |
| 22:41.46 | oc80z | android os sucks. |
| 22:42.06 | oc80z | sprint wants me to buy an evo. |
| 22:42.59 | Mercury | I want 1.4.5 and enough time to write a syncml contact and calendar syncing tool. |
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| 22:45.45 | oc80z | syncml? |
| 22:45.53 | oc80z | yes. |
| 22:46.05 | oc80z | that is the #1 downfall of webos doctor. |
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| 22:53.01 | oc80z | jhowirc2 sup. |
| 22:53.06 | oc80z | hows the hog, b. |
| 22:53.55 | jhowirc2 | there. -62 is out |
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| 22:55.00 | Audemars02 | hey rod -- u around? got a preware save/restore question for you |
| 23:01.35 | oc80z | niiiece. on the 3d? eh? |
| 23:05.58 | oc80z | sup with youtube flickering @ 800 mhz eh> |
| 23:07.57 | jhowirc2 | there is no 800 |
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| 23:16.11 | oc80z | w/ uberkernel |
| 23:16.22 | oc80z | whats that 3d issue? |
| 23:16.27 | oc80z | w/ hoggie |
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| 23:23.03 | HebrewzHammer | where are the ipkg logs stored? |
| 23:23.26 | rcube | thank you to those who've listened to my ad hoc wifi probs and have tried to help. I confirmed with another that I am not the only one that cannot change modes using the w-int wiki page. I will notify the author of the page. - hopefully palm is baking this in eventually |
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| 23:36.28 | HebrewzHammer | anyone know where ipkg logs are stored? |
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| 23:44.14 | oc80z | er on media internal i thought |
| 23:47.01 | rwhitby | rcube: just write on the top of the wiki page that it doesn't work. |
| 23:49.36 | BeeRad | my pre's external speaker is all but dead |
| 23:49.48 | BeeRad | :( |
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| 23:54.51 | cryptk | anyone here that works with saverestore? |
| 23:59.01 | BeeRad | rwhitby: 21,109 views. :O |
| 23:59.30 | ka6sox-work | the F105 Video? |