| 00:00.08 | ka6sox-work | oc80z, I don't have controll of the clock |
| 00:00.13 | ka6sox-work | it does what it wants |
| 00:00.38 | oc80z | whaa? its not set @ 500? |
| 00:01.05 | ka6sox-work | 500-600 it steps around |
| 00:01.18 | ka6sox-work | but it sounded good. |
| 00:01.50 | oc80z | well keep it at 500! |
| 00:02.04 | oc80z | download govnah, set that speed, |
| 00:02.07 | ka6sox-work | "mother may I have a clock" |
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| 00:03.24 | fundy | hello |
| 00:03.51 | oc80z | hello. |
| 00:04.02 | oc80z | hey uNiXpSyChO |
| 00:04.08 | fundy | can anyone help me with the command to restart the ppp adapter? |
| 00:04.26 | fundy | like for a cron job |
| 00:04.32 | oc80z | fundy may be the ifconfig command. |
| 00:04.40 | oc80z | are you talking about the radio? |
| 00:04.50 | uNiXpSyChO | ya |
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| 00:05.30 | fundy | occasionally i have to reboot the phone because the internet isnt working or pages are not loading |
| 00:05.39 | oc80z | uNiXpSyChO is there any vbox images w/ ide+sdk+java pre-loaded on em? |
| 00:05.57 | fundy | sometimes if i turn it to airplane mode and back it will clear it up too |
| 00:06.01 | oc80z | (can we vbox->vbox?) |
| 00:06.08 | uNiXpSyChO | i have no idea? i'm just a kernel guy. |
| 00:06.29 | oc80z | uNiXpSyChO i have to say, its going well for govnah, you devving that too? |
| 00:06.41 | oc80z | i hear a new alpha is coming out for uber? |
| 00:07.06 | uNiXpSyChO | i dont do userspace apps |
| 00:07.17 | oc80z | er.. minor release revision |
| 00:07.35 | oc80z | or is it major revision? |
| 00:08.03 | oc80z | fundy ok, well what times u want the crontab to run? |
| 00:08.15 | fundy | lets say 30 mins |
| 00:08.16 | rwhitby | Hmm - holding a phone by the metal antenna changes it's reception characteristics. Who woulda thought? Sigh. |
| 00:08.53 | fundy | every 30 mins it just resets the connection then and i wont have to bother with manually doing it |
| 00:08.54 | oc80z | fundy do you think its a memory issue? |
| 00:09.09 | fundy | no |
| 00:09.25 | rwhitby | Oh, and holding it by the GPS/Bluetooth antenna only doesn't affect the cellular reception. What an amazing discovery by gizmodo engineers! |
| 00:09.38 | oc80z | some times when the pre is under heavy swapping, it wont pull an ip stack as quick |
| 00:09.49 | oc80z | what hook are you on, sprint? |
| 00:10.09 | fundy | apps still work fine the web just isnt loading. i think going into and out of the airplane mode solves it so thats why |
| 00:10.42 | fundy | i think it might be my area too |
| 00:10.46 | rwhitby | I love the latest comment on that article: "So, "basic physics" is somehow news?" :) |
| 00:10.55 | fundy | i go to roaming often |
| 00:11.39 | oc80z | try and keep the phone off roam , and sprint only. |
| 00:12.04 | fundy | well then i wont get calls when im in a roam area |
| 00:12.49 | oc80z | well, you can use that new app, that will change the settings of your phone, depending on your GPS fix. |
| 00:12.55 | fundy | is it not possible to do what i am asking? |
| 00:14.05 | oc80z | cycle.sh ps | grep ps | if true { ifconfig ppp0 down ; ifconfig ppp0 up } |
| 00:14.24 | mumbles | dose anyone know if theres an antani booster for the pre? |
| 00:14.48 | oc80z | 30 0 0 0 0 /var/home/root/cycle.sh |
| 00:14.49 | fundy | ok can you give me a small explanation of what that does? |
| 00:15.35 | oc80z | why cant we fix the roam issue? |
| 00:15.43 | oc80z | instead of draining your battery |
| 00:15.57 | fundy | my area has alot of hills and valleys and rural |
| 00:16.05 | fundy | i have an extended battery |
| 00:16.25 | fundy | its just the internet use hangs up once in a while |
| 00:16.39 | fundy | so i thought this would be easier |
| 00:16.41 | mumbles | fundy: i have 4 batteryes for my pre now |
| 00:17.08 | mumbles | it lasts a weekend if i turn off eveything and put screen to 10% |
| 00:18.14 | fundy | im not away from a charger long enough to worry with the extended |
| 00:18.30 | fundy | when i had the oem battery i did |
| 00:18.32 | mumbles | i help out at scouts so im camping a lot |
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| 00:19.30 | oc80z | ^---- road/forest warriors |
| 00:19.35 | oc80z | aight so whats the deal |
| 00:19.39 | oc80z | hey egaudet -- u there? |
| 00:20.11 | oc80z | guy here wants to cycle ppp0 like, every 30min | hilly/vally -- cycles roam/sprint, looses net. |
| 00:20.43 | oc80z | fundy install terminal |
| 00:20.45 | mumbles | oc80z: yours should work ? |
| 00:20.48 | oc80z | or terminus |
| 00:20.57 | oc80z | i like terminal better. |
| 00:21.26 | fundy | and then just run the command? why when the cron can just do it? |
| 00:21.46 | oc80z | well -- can we just take it 1 step at a time? |
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| 00:22.03 | fundy | well sure |
| 00:24.26 | fundy | oc80z im not sure how to apply the command you gave me |
| 00:25.39 | oc80z | dont use that, |
| 00:26.34 | fundy | ok whats it do? |
| 00:27.24 | oc80z | do you have preware? |
| 00:27.31 | oc80z | /msg |
| 00:27.51 | fundy | yes |
| 00:28.34 | oc80z | use /msg dude, this conversation is killing the channel. |
| 00:28.49 | fundy | ok |
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| 00:51.10 | egaudet | oc80z, sup? |
| 00:52.19 | oc80z | nada, fundy wants to solve a roam/sprint issue |
| 00:54.01 | oc80z | you think cycling the interface would solve this? it did not seem to change the EVDO/CDMA icon for me. |
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| 00:54.23 | oc80z | essentially, cycling airplane mode fixes the internet issue. |
| 00:55.16 | egaudet | roam/sprint issue? |
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| 00:55.51 | rwhitby | So, who thinks Uber-50 and Govnah 0.4.10 is ready for primetime? |
| 00:56.01 | uNiXpSyChO | not yet |
| 00:56.23 | rwhitby | screenstate update? |
| 00:56.31 | oc80z | (not sure if hes not getting IP, or updated DNS, or Route, or anything) |
| 00:56.49 | uNiXpSyChO | yep...since you mentioned a "feature" that needed to be fixed ;P |
| 00:57.00 | oc80z | Govnah is not ready |
| 00:57.10 | rwhitby | oc80z: Govnah 0.4.10 ? |
| 00:57.24 | oc80z | ondemand still flaps the CPU |
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| 00:57.42 | rwhitby | please explain? |
| 00:58.25 | oc80z | fresh webos install + govnah , ondemand enabled -- the cpu graph looks likea heartbeat between 500/600mhz |
| 00:58.29 | rwhitby | (and note that the ondemand governor operation is part of the standard Linux kernel, and is not affected by the Govnah application in any way other than setting configuration parameters. |
| 00:58.52 | uNiXpSyChO | as the graph should look like |
| 00:58.54 | oc80z | i am not running any/new uber, yet. |
| 00:59.08 | rwhitby | yep, that would be expected for that scenario. |
| 00:59.23 | oc80z | uNiXpSyChO i am just arguing the cpu should remain at 500mhz when user is idle. |
| 00:59.34 | rwhitby | the act of polling the CPU for temperature, frequency, load averages, time in state, etc. is far from idle. |
| 00:59.43 | uNiXpSyChO | but the user may be idle but the background isnt |
| 00:59.52 | uNiXpSyChO | yeah, what he said |
| 01:00.13 | oc80z | in govnah -> governor settings -> settings |
| 01:00.15 | ka6sox-work | dbus is very busy. |
| 01:00.15 | rwhitby | And if you have the Govnah application set to poll and graph every second, and update icons, then it's probably doing an instantaneous load average of 4 or so |
| 01:00.36 | oc80z | is the 'repeated settings' bug fixed? |
| 01:00.50 | rwhitby | you tell me :) |
| 01:01.17 | rwhitby | settings handling has been completely revamped in .9 and .10 |
| 01:01.47 | oc80z | hmm |
| 01:01.52 | oc80z | i dont think it is, should i screen shot it? |
| 01:01.58 | rwhitby | yep |
| 01:02.01 | oc80z | oh, werd. |
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| 01:02.22 | oc80z | whats it, orange, alt , p? |
| 01:02.28 | rwhitby | anything you can reproduce in 0.4.10 is of keen interest to me |
| 01:03.37 | oc80z | org, sym, p |
| 01:04.19 | fundy | oc80z may i steal your attention for a second? |
| 01:04.23 | fundy | in the msg |
| 01:05.25 | oc80z | http://i45.tinypic.com/2a8gg08.png |
| 01:09.00 | rwhitby | ok, what are the steps to reproduce this? |
| 01:11.25 | oc80z | sup |
| 01:11.54 | oc80z | this is a factory kernel |
| 01:13.27 | oc80z | i have the facebook chat patch -- few dozen apps -- that skrim+theme -- some tetherapp.exe |
| 01:13.51 | oc80z | to reproduce |
| 01:13.52 | oc80z | run preware |
| 01:14.39 | oc80z | during one of the bigger db decompression/importing , launch govnah |
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| 01:17.02 | oc80z | fundy how much was that extended battery? |
| 01:20.00 | fundy | like 50 bucks |
| 01:22.32 | oc80z | mm |
| 01:22.40 | oc80z | 2TB are about $50 or so now. |
| 01:22.42 | oc80z | :P |
| 01:23.37 | oc80z | btw, this ifconfig down/up thing... does not replicate cycling airplane mode. |
| 01:24.15 | ka6sox-work | doesn't airplane mode power OFF all radios? |
| 01:24.56 | jhowirc | ok trying this as I think I was disconnected |
| 01:25.04 | oc80z | does ifconfig down poweroff the radio? |
| 01:25.15 | oc80z | or does is it , no shut. |
| 01:25.35 | jhowirc | warthog-51 is out. can someone install to confirm if 3D is still broken? |
| 01:25.49 | oc80z | is it in the testing feed? |
| 01:25.55 | jhowirc | yes |
| 01:26.02 | rwhitby | jhowirc: what was breaking 3D ? |
| 01:26.31 | jhowirc | rwhitby: dunno. trying to narrow things down |
| 01:26.42 | jhowirc | it's not a prob with uk |
| 01:26.48 | oc80z | fundy i would just use the script to 'cycle' the radio, |
| 01:26.50 | rwhitby | oc80z: what polling rate were you using in Govnah 0.4.10 to reproduce the repeated settings? |
| 01:27.00 | rwhitby | jhowirc: nod |
| 01:27.06 | jhowirc | rather I think it is an issue with the 2010 toolchain |
| 01:27.09 | fundy | 5 mins left till it executes |
| 01:27.13 | oc80z | rwhitby 10 seconds. |
| 01:27.38 | jhowirc | 2010 seems .... uneven |
| 01:27.41 | oc80z | ...its messed now, no settings are showing (recycling the feeds in preware) |
| 01:28.45 | rwhitby | oc80z: um, that screenshot is not from 0.4.10 |
| 01:28.54 | jhowirc | rwhitby wasn't sure if I was reading this right but is preware only compiled with -g? |
| 01:29.16 | fundy | oc80z but that will cause it to renew the ip right |
| 01:29.32 | rwhitby | oc80z: what version of Govnah are you running? |
| 01:30.00 | oc80z | 4.9 |
| 01:30.22 | rwhitby | ok, please reproduce on 0.4.10 |
| 01:31.38 | oc80z | ahh |
| 01:32.51 | oc80z | on the way |
| 01:33.58 | oc80z | win. |
| 01:35.01 | oc80z | its fixed, we are all happy. |
| 01:35.54 | fundy | how do i make it run as root? |
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| 01:39.36 | chrisa | I forget Jimmy Fallon is on the air still until Engadget reminds me |
| 01:39.56 | bpadalino | at least he has a good band |
| 01:40.04 | oc80z | that belongs on the 1990's coolsiteoftheday.com |
| 01:40.12 | fundy | how do i make it run as root? |
| 01:40.31 | bpadalino | you should already be root? |
| 01:40.53 | oc80z | rwhitby if i am loading package , i cannot manage/add new feeds |
| 01:41.15 | fundy | do i just chmod the file? |
| 01:41.21 | oc80z | :P |
| 01:43.01 | oc80z | jhowirc hang loose |
| 01:45.54 | jhowirc | werd |
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| 01:48.29 | oc80z | herrr goes, bbiab. smoke. |
| 01:48.41 | oc80z | rwhitby id drop $20 on govnah boiii |
| 01:49.34 | rwhitby | oc80z: we have a donation paypal address specifically to allow for people to do that ;) |
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| 01:50.36 | rwhitby | jhowirc: it's quite possible that Preware has non-optimised compilation flags. All of the significant processing is done in the javascript. |
| 01:51.21 | Shiggitay|Pre | hey all. I tried uberkernel and my incoming telephony audio doesn't work. is that a known issue, or is there something to apply after uberkernel? |
| 01:51.53 | Shiggitay|Pre | I've since reverted to stock |
| 01:52.19 | Shiggitay|Pre | and that issue doesn't exist |
| 01:53.13 | Shiggitay|Pre | if there's a wiki please link me to it |
| 01:54.20 | rwhitby | Shiggitay|Pre: so you have a repeatable test case and have repeated it three times without changing anything else? |
| 01:54.51 | rwhitby | (your's is the first report of audio problems) |
| 01:55.21 | Shiggitay|Pre | well I applied uk and then I got some system util |
| 01:56.02 | Shiggitay|Pre | I reverted kernels and I didn't remove that util |
| 01:56.15 | rwhitby | please install uk, test, uninstall uk, test, install uk, test, uninstall uk, test. without doing anything else or changing the environment in any way. |
| 01:56.37 | Shiggitay|Pre | I shall when I get home |
| 01:56.50 | rwhitby | thanks. which version of UK? |
| 01:57.16 | Shiggitay|Pre | the one availabe from preware |
| 01:57.40 | Shiggitay|Pre | I wanted it for the overclock to 800 mhz |
| 01:57.56 | rwhitby | there are at least 5 different versions available in preware, and the list of versions has changed 3 times in the last 48 hours. |
| 01:58.01 | rwhitby | which specific version please. |
| 01:58.18 | oc80z | does govnah+ondemand floor the cpu to 800 ? |
| 01:58.25 | oc80z | er... while listening to music? |
| 01:58.49 | rwhitby | oc80z: let's get this straight. govnah sets some kernel parameters and then gets out of the way. |
| 02:00.00 | Shiggitay|Pre | rwhitby: I can't recall. I'm on the bus on the way home. I'll check when I have acces to my computers |
| 02:00.12 | Shiggitay|Pre | access* |
| 02:00.29 | oc80z | right, does the music player trigger govnahs default on-demand setting to increase cpu? |
| 02:00.48 | uNiXpSyChO | huh? |
| 02:02.52 | rwhitby | oc80z: it's not govnah's on-demand setting. ondemand is a standard linux kernel govnernor module. The Govnah app plays no part at all in what the CPU does, other than set the values of the parameters to that kernel module in the way that you ask it to. |
| 02:03.48 | rwhitby | oc80z: what documentation of the standard Linux ondemand cpufreq module parameters have you read so far? |
| 02:04.25 | oc80z | all. |
| 02:05.32 | oc80z | i am just arguing govnah should come with an additional setting for music/youtube/games |
| 02:06.04 | rwhitby | pardon? |
| 02:06.14 | rwhitby | did you not read the sentence i just wrote? |
| 02:06.27 | rwhitby | "The Govnah app plays no part at all in what the CPU does, other than set the values of the parameters to that kernel module in the way that you ask it to." |
| 02:07.03 | rwhitby | Govnah supplies direct access to all the parameters available for the ondemand kernel module. |
| 02:07.42 | oc80z | processes that are executed with nice , will be ignored. |
| 02:07.48 | rwhitby | So how, pray tell, are you expecting the Govnah app to magically be able to change the behaviour of the kernel? |
| 02:08.03 | bpadalino | magic? |
| 02:08.18 | oc80z | no. |
| 02:08.24 | rwhitby | (other than allowing you to change the set of parameters that it already exposes to you in any way you desire) |
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| 02:08.33 | bpadalino | maybe if you type in abracadabara when you're in govnah .. |
| 02:08.39 | bpadalino | it can bring up the super secret magic menu |
| 02:08.48 | oc80z | there should be a way to launch media with the nice command |
| 02:09.04 | oc80z | and use ignore_nice_load 1 |
| 02:09.36 | rwhitby | (which it does already) |
| 02:10.34 | oc80z | pulseaudio? |
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| 02:10.59 | oc80z | pulse audio is 10% |
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| 02:12.44 | oc80z | and it skips to 25% |
| 02:13.08 | oc80z | flooring on-demand. |
| 02:13.22 | halfhalo | i heart hulu |
| 02:15.32 | oc80z | looks like ignore_nice_load 0 |
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| 02:17.08 | oc80z | jhowirc sup |
| 02:17.43 | jhowirc | -51 work? |
| 02:18.26 | oc80z | so far so good. |
| 02:18.46 | oc80z | i dont see an icon for the installed kernel. |
| 02:18.52 | jhowirc | 3D games work for you? |
| 02:19.11 | jhowirc | you may not be running warthog then |
| 02:19.15 | oc80z | ill launch need for speed. |
| 02:19.27 | jhowirc | check /proc/version |
| 02:19.30 | oc80z | ..yikes |
| 02:20.09 | oc80z | warthog v1.4.1-51 |
| 02:20.20 | oc80z | 3d game didnt launch. |
| 02:20.51 | jhowirc | ok |
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| 02:27.04 | jhojho | looks like 2010q1 toolchain is bad chicken with the pre kernel. using said flags |
| 02:27.28 | jhojho | uNiXpSyChO: what flags did u use to compile F102 using 2010 |
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| 02:49.32 | BeeRad | Guys, this needs to be like an intervention. Talk me out of the Droid X. |
| 02:50.27 | rwhitby | BeeRad: go for it. in my opinion, anyone who looks at another phone doesn't deserve webOS ;) |
| 02:50.48 | BeeRad | OH! |
| 02:50.56 | BeeRad | That cut deep friend......real deep. |
| 02:51.18 | BeeRad | Its not the OS, its the hardware. |
| 02:51.31 | halfhalo | lies |
| 02:51.38 | Tman | hack webos onto it :D |
| 02:51.40 | halfhalo | i want an ipad |
| 02:51.48 | BeeRad | I want webOS on iP4.....I want webOS on Droid X. |
| 02:52.09 | bpadalino | get developing |
| 02:52.18 | BeeRad | Yeah right. |
| 02:52.24 | Tman | ehe |
| 02:52.50 | rwhitby | one should keep the same phone for at least 3 years |
| 02:52.55 | BeeRad | Actually, the Dell Lightning is more what I want for the webOS. Nice big screen and still has a portrait slider QWERTY. |
| 02:52.56 | bpadalino | beggars can't be choosers i guess |
| 02:53.07 | BeeRad | 3 years!? LOL |
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| 02:53.37 | rwhitby | otherwise you never really wanted it in the first place |
| 02:53.47 | halfhalo | The pre has lasted longer than all my other phones |
| 02:53.49 | Tman | rwhitby: or in your case, the same 4-8 phones :) |
| 02:53.52 | BeeRad | Rod, the hardware cant keep up with the software as it is. |
| 02:54.00 | rcizzle | I NEED SERIOUS HELP!!! |
| 02:54.03 | halfhalo | But then again, I always break my phones |
| 02:54.12 | halfhalo | WE OFFER SRS HELP! |
| 02:54.15 | BeeRad | No way an original iPhone is near enough. 3 years old. |
| 02:54.26 | rwhitby | rcizzle: I'D START WITH YOUR CAPS LOCK KEY |
| 02:54.32 | Tman | (I have no idea how many phones you have.. someone said it was a lot) |
| 02:54.44 | halfhalo | has 3 webos devices |
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| 02:54.59 | rwhitby | BeeRad: I'm pulling your leg, mate. |
| 02:55.19 | BeeRad | rwhitby: I know buddy. |
| 02:55.28 | rcizzle | I just installed preware haven't heard of it til today. My first question is do I need to have developer mode enabled at al times when downloading stuff from preware? |
| 02:55.36 | halfhalo | no |
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| 02:55.59 | BeeRad | rwhitby: I went to great lengths just to get this Pre Plus. Trust me. |
| 02:56.03 | rcizzle | was that no for me? |
| 02:56.08 | rwhitby | Tman: 2 that work as phones, 4 that work over wifi, 1 that half works, 2 in pieces, 1 in transit. |
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| 02:56.15 | halfhalo | yes rcizzle, that no was for you |
| 02:56.19 | rwhitby | rcizzle: what documentation for Preware have you read so far? |
| 02:56.33 | Tman | rwhitby: lol omg.. why |
| 02:57.00 | rwhitby | Tman: people keep sending me stuff |
| 02:57.12 | Tman | lol I see |
| 02:57.27 | rcizzle | also I've been watching videos about a "package manager service". I can't find that anywhere is that older or do I need to do something with that? |
| 02:57.44 | oc80z | ignore_nice_load - If '0' (its default), all processes are counted towards the 'cpu utilization' value. When set to '1', the processes that are run with a 'nice' value will not count (and thus be ignored) in the overall usage calculation. |
| 02:57.46 | Tman | needs to get a pixi plus to test |
| 02:57.55 | BeeRad | rwhitby: with all of your rebuilding, have you figured out a way to make the slider feel more snug? Tighten it up? |
| 02:58.00 | halfhalo | rcizzle: thats older versions only |
| 02:58.10 | halfhalo | I want a pixi plusâ¦. |
| 02:58.21 | BeeRad | halfhalo: Ditto. |
| 02:58.32 | rwhitby | rcizzle: read http://install.preware.org/ and ignore all other information on the internet related to Preware |
| 02:58.51 | rwhitby | BeeRad: who said I've rebuilt anything ;) |
| 02:58.52 | BeeRad | Ditto what rwhitby just said. |
| 02:58.59 | rcizzle | ok well how come I tried to download virtual keyboard and it took forever finally I just threw away the preware. I can't get it to work |
| 02:59.11 | BeeRad | THREW AWAY? |
| 02:59.14 | BeeRad | *gasp* |
| 02:59.21 | BeeRad | *tear* |
| 02:59.23 | halfhalo | rcizzle.. It takes a while to install everything it needs |
| 02:59.32 | Tman | I think he means he closed the card.. relax BeeRad ;p |
| 02:59.33 | rwhitby | rcizzle: that would be because the virtual keyboard is a big package and takes a long time to install. |
| 02:59.47 | rcizzle | yea I flipped the preware app away. It says it's downloaded but it's not working |
| 02:59.49 | BeeRad | Tman: Oh ok. :) |
| 02:59.53 | rwhitby | I suspect you didn't actually wait "forever". |
| 03:00.19 | Tman | but if you did grats |
| 03:00.23 | rcizzle | no exaggeration it was going on half hr |
| 03:00.38 | Tman | maybe the download stalled |
| 03:01.18 | rwhitby | And since you're talking about Package Manager Service, I suspect you didn't read http://install.preware.org but instead got some other obsolete information from idiots who copy official installation instructions into videos and blog posts and never update them when the official instructions change |
| 03:01.25 | rcizzle | it said success and installing within 2 minutes than it just stayed on the scren with the installing wheel for a long time |
| 03:01.56 | rwhitby | yeah, virtual keyboard can take 30 mins to install |
| 03:01.57 | BeeRad | rwhitby: You dont get a little miffed over the issue do you? |
| 03:02.01 | BeeRad | ;P |
| 03:02.07 | rcizzle | I downloaded preware off instruuctions from precentral |
| 03:02.14 | rwhitby | rcizzle: that was your first mistake |
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| 03:02.35 | rwhitby | precentral employs idiots who write blog posts copying information instead of linking |
| 03:02.49 | Tman | hehe.. outdated instructions were a pita when I first got my pre |
| 03:02.50 | BeeRad | rwhitby: Ouch. |
| 03:02.51 | rwhitby | they think it makes their articles better. |
| 03:02.53 | oc80z | hahahahaha |
| 03:02.58 | rcizzle | well I didn't know homie. I think I did it right... |
| 03:03.27 | rwhitby | rcizzle: not blaming you mate. but now that you know, read http://install.preware.org/ |
| 03:04.34 | oc80z | rwhitby u watch the game today? |
| 03:04.36 | rwhitby | rcizzle: but also feel free not to use Preware. sounds like it might aggravate you too much. |
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| 03:04.58 | rwhitby | oc80z: didn't get a chance to see it, no. |
| 03:05.12 | rwhitby | got it on disk, maybe watch tonight. |
| 03:05.18 | BeeRad | I dont think PC means any harm really, I just think they want to be able to have readers read the info right THERE instead of linking them to other sites. I know exactly what you're saying though. The correct info can change at anytime so an old article can be giving out old and FALSE info. |
| 03:05.20 | oc80z | oh, espn3.com m8 |
| 03:05.33 | rcizzle | install.preware.org are the directions I used. And I love preware it's amazing I just learned about it today |
| 03:05.46 | rwhitby | BeeRad: yep, it's all about advertising revenue. Linking doesn't pay the bills :) |
| 03:06.03 | BeeRad | rwhitby: harsh reality. |
| 03:06.08 | Tman | but iframe can!! *kidding* |
| 03:06.10 | rwhitby | rcizzle: sweet. now, apart from virtual keyboard, any other problems? |
| 03:07.20 | BeeRad | rcizzle: This crowd may be a little harsh with the info, but you learn QUICK with these guys. Keep coming back if you have further issues. What doesn't kill you makes you stronger. |
| 03:07.57 | halfhalo | I have run into an issue with my metadoctoring⦠mainly the fact that I'm to lazy to run git right now |
| 03:07.58 | rcizzle | my saved package list is filled with all my apps including preware. Couple of the apps real logos are showing and the rest are boxes with a green circle above. That doesn't seem normal |
| 03:08.40 | rwhitby | rcizzle: if you don't have the palm app catalog feed enabled, it won't know the icons |
| 03:09.26 | rwhitby | rcizzle: BTW, I'm from Australia - was your use of "homie" a term of endearment or abuse? |
| 03:09.46 | rwhitby | or just neutral |
| 03:09.52 | halfhalo | endearment |
| 03:09.59 | rcizzle | it was endearment. And how do I enable that? |
| 03:10.37 | rwhitby | rcizzle: did you get a splash screen when Preware ran for the first time? |
| 03:11.02 | rcizzle | splash screen meaning what? |
| 03:11.06 | BeeRad | rwhitby: you mean the one I ignore every time? ;P |
| 03:12.06 | rwhitby | rcizzle: the one on which you clicked the button which said "OK, I've read this, let's continue ..." ... |
| 03:12.27 | rcizzle | yes I did |
| 03:12.43 | halfhalo | has never actually read that |
| 03:12.46 | rwhitby | it would have mentioned the Manage Feeds menu item |
| 03:13.12 | BeeRad | Oh yeah......btw.....battery life took a hit running 1.05GHz. Isn't that just absurd? lol |
| 03:13.14 | rcizzle | yea that whole feed thing confused me from the beginning |
| 03:13.28 | rwhitby | notes halfhalo's device id and puts code in Preware to slowly corrupt his phone |
| 03:13.51 | halfhalo | again?!?!? |
| 03:14.08 | rcizzle | I'm fucked |
| 03:14.10 | rwhitby | BeeRad: almost as absurd as holding the metal antennae on an iPhone 4 causing the reception characteristics to change ... |
| 03:14.26 | rwhitby | I mean who would have known? |
| 03:14.31 | BeeRad | No kidding. |
| 03:14.31 | rcizzle | didn't know this shit was so fucking confusing |
| 03:14.35 | BeeRad | Phail. |
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| 03:14.59 | rwhitby | Haven't these people ever adjusted rabbit ears on a TV set? |
| 03:15.18 | jhojho | rwhitby: is there an article out on that now? |
| 03:15.27 | BeeRad | rcizzle: It is at first. Trust me, I know most of this stuff and Im still a nOOb. Regardless of what rwhitby says. |
| 03:15.34 | rcizzle | you guys are real funny |
| 03:15.55 | jhojho | reads gizmodo |
| 03:15.58 | halfhalo | just reads source codeâ¦. |
| 03:16.08 | rwhitby | jhojho: http://gizmodo.com/5571171/iphone-4-loses-reception-when-you-hold-it-by-the-antenna-band |
| 03:16.17 | rcizzle | yea rwhitby is a preware goo roo but how many women has he fucked? |
| 03:16.33 | BeeRad | Uh. |
| 03:16.41 | BeeRad | I like chicken. |
| 03:16.47 | rwhitby | jhojho: it's hard core breaking news. Basic physics is confirmed yet again by Gizmodo. Apple stocks plummet. |
| 03:17.03 | jhojho | lol |
| 03:17.10 | jhojho | noooo |
| 03:17.17 | jhojho | I own aapl stock |
| 03:17.21 | jhojho | I want it to do well =) |
| 03:17.24 | halfhalo | i don't... |
| 03:17.52 | rwhitby | jhojho: most amazingly, they've determined by empirical results that holding the GPS/bluetooth antennae only has no effect on cellular reception. |
| 03:18.39 | BeeRad | rwhitby: by empirical, do you mean they even licked it too? wow. |
| 03:19.04 | Wolvenhaven | question on sqlite DBs, do i create the db on my computer and it gets packaged into the app, or do i just write code to create the db on app startup once it's on the phone? |
| 03:19.05 | rcizzle | ok so is there a site with up to date information s I can figure out what I'm doing? |
| 03:20.16 | rwhitby | jhojho: the solution is obvious: http://gizmodo.com/comment/24982739 |
| 03:20.41 | rcizzle | come on dudes help me out |
| 03:20.45 | rwhitby | rcizzle: http://bit.ly/preware-1 |
| 03:20.57 | rcizzle | thank you sir |
| 03:21.04 | rwhitby | look for a guy with a name similar to mine |
| 03:21.27 | rcizzle | are you being for real or busting my balls still? |
| 03:21.32 | rwhitby | but don't ask him about his history of conquests in that thread |
| 03:21.56 | BeeRad | who busted his balls? show yourselves! |
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| 03:22.03 | BeeRad | I demand to know. |
| 03:22.26 | halfhalo | gets popcorn |
| 03:22.38 | rcizzle | lol you guys are sarcastic pricks, keep up the good work |
| 03:23.24 | BeeRad | Homie, the information has been presented. Its up to you to learn it. |
| 03:23.30 | halfhalo | takes that as a compliment |
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| 03:24.32 | rwhitby | likes rcizzle, he's fun. |
| 03:24.44 | BeeRad | Wow. |
| 03:25.45 | rwhitby | Wolvenhaven: I don't think there's an official way to have a preloaded db in your app, so you need to write code to load it |
| 03:25.51 | BeeRad | If I ever annoy the crap out of you guys, just have the decency to come out and tell me. haha |
| 03:26.14 | Wolvenhaven | ok, thanks |
| 03:26.14 | BeeRad | Not saying anything will come of it, but ya know..... |
| 03:26.28 | rwhitby | Wolvenhaven: or download it from somewhere I gues |
| 03:26.31 | Wolvenhaven | i still have a long way to go on this app heh |
| 03:26.59 | Wolvenhaven | well the db will be empty anyway, i just didn't know if i needed to load a blank formatted db or create on startup |
| 03:27.02 | rwhitby | Wolvenhaven: I hear Appible LLC have an open source ebook reader that they'd love someone to clone and rebadge. |
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| 03:27.29 | Wolvenhaven | i'm working on an item information app right now for personal use to learn webos |
| 03:28.06 | Wolvenhaven | https://sourceforge.net/projects/rangebuddy/ |
| 03:28.21 | rwhitby | notes that his country got a new prime minister overnight, and I had no say in the matter. |
| 03:28.43 | halfhalo | lol? |
| 03:28.45 | Wolvenhaven | now you know how we feel, we haven't elected our presidents in the last few decades |
| 03:31.54 | rwhitby | Wolvenhaven: nice - got a screenshot? |
| 03:35.00 | halfhalo | I stand by my statement that every sports car should play thunderstruck when pushed to its limits |
| 03:36.23 | geist | oy oy |
| 03:39.19 | halfhalo | it should be law |
| 03:41.59 | Wolvenhaven | rwhitby: i have no css or formatting, it's all bare bones divs right now, it's ugly as sin |
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| 03:44.03 | Wolvenhaven | it also has about 2% functionality, the rest i haven't coded yet |
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| 03:50.08 | hborders | Hi. I got WIDK configured last night, and I successfully built doom. I'm trying to build liboauth, and I need zlib, libssl, libcrypt, and libcurl. It looks like curl, openssl (libssl, libcrypt) and zlib are all there |
| 03:50.20 | hborders | does anyone have any advice for how to add liboauth to the build? |
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| 03:51.51 | rwhitby | hborders: add it to packages/common I guess |
| 03:53.11 | hborders | rwhitby: I should stress that I'm a noob, so I need a little hand-holding. Let me make sure I'm straight with the way the system works: the cross-compile environment uses sb2 to create a root fs for the build to run in, right? |
| 03:53.25 | rwhitby | yep |
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| 03:53.54 | rwhitby | and cross-compiled other packages are staged in an area that then appears as /usr/local in that sb2 environment |
| 03:54.33 | hborders | rwhitby: I don't understand that last statement |
| 03:54.42 | hborders | rwhitby: what do you mean "other packages"? |
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| 03:57.55 | rwhitby | hborders: other libraries |
| 03:58.22 | hborders | rwhitby: what I mean is: I don't see a directory "local" under /srv/preware/cross-compile/staging/armv7/usr/ |
| 03:58.36 | hborders | rwhitby: so what directory gets mapped into that? |
| 03:58.39 | rwhitby | hborders: right, that's the sb2 magic mapping |
| 03:59.04 | rwhitby | staging/<arch>/usr appears as /usr/local when you're in sb2 |
| 03:59.48 | hborders | rwhitby:oooo. I get it |
| 04:00.06 | hborders | rwhitby: so what about other dirs, is the sb2 configuration for them something that you guys configured for WIDK, or is that something that sb2 already had for armv7? |
| 04:00.34 | rwhitby | which other dirs? |
| 04:00.50 | rwhitby | sb2 already has all the dirs for the toolchain mapped |
| 04:00.58 | rwhitby | we just map in /usr/local |
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| 04:03.28 | hborders | stuff like /bin, /etc, and so on. I'm just curious if you guys had to configure that yourself, or if sb2 was already set up like that |
| 04:04.11 | hborders | i realize it doesn't matter for me, i'm just curious about how it all works |
| 04:04.58 | hborders | anyways, so you recommended just dropping oauth into packages/common. How do I access that from within the sb2 environment? |
| 04:04.59 | rwhitby | sb2 was already set up |
| 04:05.49 | hborders | I'm guessing I'll need to be in there to run my build, or else I'll need to add the armv7/usr dirs to my liboauth configure script. |
| 04:05.53 | rwhitby | hborders: you would need to add a Makefile which builds it from source and stages it. take a look at the other libraries for examples (choose one which is not in webOS by default) |
| 04:06.42 | hborders | ok, i'll take a look at libz and libcurl. those are ones I've actually made myself for i386 |
| 04:06.45 | hborders | thanks |
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| 04:14.51 | cryptk|wirc | uNiXpSyChO: ping |
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| 04:16.21 | cactux | cpu0/ondemand/scaling_min_freq -- Unable to set |
| 04:16.32 | hborders | is there a reason that all libs are built as .so's only and not also as static? |
| 04:16.35 | cactux | govnah .10 |
| 04:16.58 | cactux | hb cross comiling |
| 04:18.02 | hborders | I'm assuming that I won't be able to install dynamic libs along with my app when I deploy it, so I was planning on statically linking all the libs my app needs, save for what PDK provides |
| 04:18.05 | cactux | more issues with repeted govnah settings in .10 under powersave profile |
| 04:18.32 | cactux | yeah do it |
| 04:19.51 | cryptk|wirc | so I thought there was no added benefit over 800 mhz? |
| 04:20.07 | halfhalo | lies |
| 04:20.22 | cryptk|wirc | and if that is/was true, why do we now have a testing 1Ghz kernel? |
| 04:20.33 | halfhalo | why not? |
| 04:20.41 | cactux | why not? |
| 04:20.59 | cryptk|wirc | I thought back during the first 800 kernel patch they found that there was some other bottleneck |
| 04:21.11 | cactux | we are linux hackers |
| 04:21.17 | cryptk|wirc | unless they found a way to address that bottleneck |
| 04:21.38 | cryptk|wirc | I was under the impression it was a hardware bottleneck though, guess I was wrong |
| 04:21.53 | cryptk|wirc | < linux hacker too |
| 04:21.53 | cactux | post it |
| 04:22.08 | cryptk|wirc | I will see if I can find the thread |
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| 04:23.44 | cactux | still errors with govnah++++ latest version |
| 04:24.17 | cryptk|wirc | damnit... the author of the original post had it removed... |
| 04:24.43 | cryptk|wirc | http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre-tips-information-resources/238141-b-optimized-webos-1-4-kernel-video-wosqi-720mhz-800-mhz-easy-install-b.html this thread used to have the info I was refrencing... |
| 04:25.45 | cactux | thunderchiefs kernel |
| 04:25.47 | cryptk|wirc | they stated that they found no added benefiet over 800 due to some other bottleneck... coulda been something that was fixable in the kernel though... |
| 04:26.57 | cactux | http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/252133-f105-thunderchief-alpha.html |
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| 04:30.32 | cryptk|wirc | I know what the kernel is, I was just wondering what the original bottleneck was that kept them at 800 and if/how it has been addressed |
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| 04:32.01 | cactux | heh |
| 04:32.45 | rwhitby | cactux: the unable to set error occurs when you try and set a minimum which is more than the current maximum, or a maximum which is more than the current minimum |
| 04:33.09 | cactux | it was not set like that |
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| 04:33.28 | cactux | I had multiple menu setting choices |
| 04:33.45 | cactux | restarted the app and it's OK |
| 04:33.52 | cactux | I'm almost sure |
| 04:34.21 | rwhitby | cactux: right, but the kernel will refuse to accept a new maximum that is less than the current minimum, or a new minimum which is more than the current maximum |
| 04:34.30 | rwhitby | so you need to change it in two steps |
| 04:34.52 | cactux | k |
| 04:35.29 | rwhitby | cryptk|wirc: who was the author of the original post? |
| 04:36.17 | cactux | 800mhz is bottleneckd |
| 04:36.19 | cryptk|wirc | it was the other guy who worked on the original 800 patch |
| 04:36.22 | cactux | Its true. and I stand by my previous statement. """ |
| 04:36.44 | cryptk|wirc | the one that was installed with a shell script. |
| 04:37.20 | cryptk|wirc | gonna bust out the lappy and see if I can find a copy of the original post on google cache or waybackmachine... |
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| 04:39.23 | rwhitby | cryptk|wirc: marco (unixpsycho) or the other guy? |
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| 04:39.48 | cryptk|wirc | rwhitby: the other guy |
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| 04:40.06 | rwhitby | ok, the other guy who didn't write a single line of code ... |
| 04:40.38 | cryptk|wirc | yeah, I think he was helping to test it, but I think the bottleneck was found by marco (iirc) |
| 04:41.14 | rwhitby | there was an assumed bottleneck, cause the I/O out to the rest of the system is obviously limited, but I don't think anyone measured it |
| 04:42.18 | cryptk|wirc | hang on, lemme get on the comp so I can type easier, lol |
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| 04:45.50 | globex | Anyone got a sec to answer a quick question about Dropbear? |
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| 04:47.18 | cryptk | alright, much better |
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| 04:50.44 | cryptk | I can't find a cached copy of the post... I coulda sworn that it said that Marco had run the pre at speeds up to 1GHz already but that testing showed no significant gain at anything over about 800 and that was the reason they settled on 800 for the patch. |
| 04:51.03 | globex | When I try to create a new dropbearkey it says "Couldn't create new file /home/root/.ssh/id_rsa Reason: no such file or directory" |
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| 04:51.19 | cryptk | I guess what I am getting at is.... is there a point to the 1GHz kernel in the testing feed or not? other than the normal "because I can" reason |
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| 04:53.43 | cryptk | globex: I don't use dropbear, sorry... I use OpenSSH |
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| 04:54.12 | globex | Ok. Easier question. In terminal how do I do "Gesture + 2" for the Up key? What's "gesture"? |
| 04:54.21 | rwhitby | put thumb on gesture area |
| 04:54.30 | cryptk | rwhitby: did you ever get ahold of dBsooner about the patches portal? |
| 04:54.32 | globex | Ok that was easy. :) |
| 04:54.43 | rwhitby | cryptk: no, I haven't. |
| 04:54.58 | rwhitby | cryptk: linpack runs faster. real life results are mixed |
| 04:55.26 | gollyzila|comp | Would doctoring my phone remedy the crazy battery drain I've been experiencing? |
| 04:55.32 | cryptk | ahh |
| 04:55.38 | rwhitby | cryptk: preware loads faster, and that's all that is important :) |
| 04:56.04 | Tman | wishes Qt fully worked on webos.. life would be soo much easier |
| 04:56.11 | cryptk | gollyzila|comp: well, while doctoring your phone would possibly get rid of the cause of the battery drain, it is more than likely not necessary |
| 04:56.26 | cryptk | that would be what my boss calls "too much solution" |
| 04:56.50 | gollyzila|comp | It's just been getting worse and worse with time. |
| 04:57.22 | gollyzila|comp | I don't think it could be the custom kernels i run because I still have a higher battery drainage compared to other alpha testers |
| 04:57.43 | gollyzila|comp | but i guess since im an alpha tester, i should expect things like this |
| 04:57.54 | cryptk | which kernel are you running currently? |
| 04:58.53 | gollyzila|comp | F104A starfighter |
| 04:59.01 | cryptk | I have noticed my kernel draining faster than normal on Warthog, but I am also on a buisness trip and I tend to use my phone more on trips so I am not sure if it really is draining faster or not |
| 04:59.51 | gollyzila|comp | i get 36% and above battery drainage per hour when using just 3G |
| 05:00.02 | gollyzila|comp | running at 800 MHz |
| 05:00.36 | cryptk | wow... |
| 05:00.38 | gollyzila|comp | and that was in a good signal area |
| 05:00.49 | cryptk | try reverting back to the stock kernel and see if the drain is still there |
| 05:01.03 | gollyzila|comp | earlier today i had 7.53% while screen was off running at 500 MHz |
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| 05:01.25 | gollyzila|comp | I never that of that. I try it |
| 05:01.40 | gollyzila|comp | what's the spelling correction command for IRC again? |
| 05:01.57 | cryptk | missspelled |
| 05:02.03 | cryptk | s/missspelled/misspelled/ |
| 05:02.07 | cryptk | that one? |
| 05:02.17 | cryptk | it is the same as sed in linux |
| 05:02.20 | gollyzila|comp | yeah thanks yuo |
| 05:02.27 | gollyzila|comp | s/yuo/you/ |
| 05:02.42 | cryptk | heads up, a woot off just started |
| 05:03.07 | rwhitby | what's a woot off ? |
| 05:03.13 | cryptk | www.woot.com |
| 05:03.21 | cryptk | they usually only sell one thing per day |
| 05:03.42 | cryptk | every now and then they have a 'woot off' where they put up a new item once the previous item sells out |
| 05:03.51 | cryptk | they use them to sell off leftover stock |
| 05:04.16 | cryptk | and it is all heavily discounted stuff (everything on woot is), sometimes refurbished, sometimes new |
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| 05:08.41 | rwhitby | and not shipping outside a rather small contiguous area of the world it seems |
| 05:09.06 | cryptk | eeew, forgot about that... yeah, they only ship to the US |
| 05:09.07 | cryptk | I think |
| 05:10.03 | rwhitby | not even the whole US |
| 05:10.37 | cryptk | yeah, lol |
| 05:11.02 | cryptk | but they are selling things for way cheap, they gotta save money where they can to turn some kind of a decent profit |
| 05:13.37 | rwhitby | yep |
| 05:16.58 | cryptk | bbiab, rebooting into linux |
| 05:17.17 | gollyzila|comp | Wow. Stock kernel. running at 500 MHz screen on. 29.40% battery drain per hour |
| 05:17.23 | cryptk | can't install linux on the work laptiop, but I have Mint installed on a 16G compact flash card and I just boot it off that |
| 05:17.28 | gollyzila|comp | Only WIFI on |
| 05:17.43 | cryptk | gollyzila|comp: lemme see what mine is |
| 05:17.58 | cryptk | how long are you letting the phone run for before you get that number |
| 05:18.15 | cryptk | and are you using nodoze to keep the screen on? or just tapping every now and then |
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| 05:18.30 | gollyzila|comp | it took about 2 min for the battery to lose 1% |
| 05:18.52 | gollyzila|comp | I set Screen and Unlock to 3min |
| 05:19.01 | gollyzila|comp | and i only tapped about twice |
| 05:20.35 | cryptk | ok, I have wifi on (and connected), running nodoze to keep screen on |
| 05:20.48 | cryptk | battery monitor is running I will let you know what I get in a few minutes |
| 05:21.09 | cryptk | I am on Warthog but I set it to the Palm Default profile |
| 05:21.15 | gollyzila|comp | i used battery monitor aswell |
| 05:21.28 | cryptk | brb, rebooting lappy |
| 05:21.37 | gollyzila|comp | Oh and i have an airave at home so full cell signal |
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| 05:21.55 | cryptk | I am in a hotel, but I am only one bar short of full |
| 05:21.57 | cryptk | brb |
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| 05:26.05 | gollyzila|comp | battery drain went down to 11.82% while the screen was off. |
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| 05:26.34 | wusaint | quick question. are all the test kernels now ota safe? |
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| 05:27.21 | cryptk|home | wusaint: the test kernels can be installed OTA, but the word 'test' means that there is a certain amount of risk |
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| 05:27.38 | gollyzila|comp | I've left battery monitor on and the screen on for a couple minutes and battery drain is at 9.63% |
| 05:27.51 | cryptk | gollyzila|comp: I am at 16.26% per hour at 500MHz with screen on |
| 05:27.53 | gollyzila|comp | 8.91% |
| 05:28.01 | cryptk | mine is going down too |
| 05:28.03 | gollyzila|comp | woah |
| 05:28.39 | gollyzila|comp | is that type of battery drain common or are we just on the same boat? |
| 05:28.51 | rwhitby | wusaint: anything in Preware is OTA safe |
| 05:28.58 | gollyzila|comp | 8.30% |
| 05:29.05 | rwhitby | wusaint: anything outside of Preware is not |
| 05:29.18 | cryptk | well, the backlight takes a decent amount of power |
| 05:29.24 | rwhitby | wusaint: and nothing has been tested in a real OTA situation |
| 05:29.33 | cryptk | and even at 10% drain per hour, you would get 6 hours out of it |
| 05:29.37 | gollyzila|comp | wusaint: But becare when adding custom feeds you don't know about |
| 05:29.41 | cryptk | and that would be 6 hours of not giving it any rest |
| 05:29.57 | wusaint | thanx rod. just making sure I was correct |
| 05:30.13 | cryptk | is down to 12.1% so far |
| 05:30.16 | rwhitby | wusaint: so, for instance, F102 is not, but F102A is. |
| 05:30.19 | gollyzila|comp | s/becare/be careful/ |
| 05:30.32 | gollyzila|comp | 11.64% |
| 05:31.05 | cryptk | I just kicked it back to the SS 500/800 and I am seeing what it settles out at |
| 05:31.05 | gollyzila|comp | I'll see how it is with the screen off |
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| 05:31.26 | cryptk | I would restart battery monitor and then let it sit with the screen off for about 10 minutes |
| 05:31.28 | cryptk | then check it |
| 05:31.55 | cryptk | except my phone only has 10% left, lol... time for the stone |
| 05:32.01 | gollyzila|comp | started at 10:31 |
| 05:32.21 | gollyzila|comp | mine's at 47% battery left |
| 05:32.27 | cryptk | btw, I installed preware + UberKernel + Govnah on a brand new ATT pre plus today |
| 05:32.37 | cryptk | the guy had owned it for less than 24 hours, lol |
| 05:32.50 | gollyzila|comp | wow. Why'd he return it? |
| 05:32.59 | cryptk | he didnt |
| 05:33.05 | cryptk | he had just gotten it yesterday |
| 05:33.10 | cryptk | and I hooked it all up for him |
| 05:33.12 | cryptk | he loves it |
| 05:33.15 | gollyzila|comp | ohhhh |
| 05:33.30 | cryptk | I was saying it was less than 24 hours old and already overclocked, lol |
| 05:33.38 | cryptk | (well, owned for less than 24 hours) |
| 05:33.55 | gollyzila|comp | it's fun to guide people into the homebrew side of technology |
| 05:34.59 | cryptk | indeed |
| 05:35.20 | cryptk | he was hooked as soon as he saw me use Terminal to SSH into my home computer and install updates |
| 05:35.21 | cryptk | lol |
| 05:35.35 | Tman | lol |
| 05:35.59 | gollyzila|comp | wow. some people would be scared of that little black screen |
| 05:36.18 | gollyzila|comp | cryptk: install updates for what? |
| 05:36.46 | cryptk | my linux comp at home |
| 05:36.52 | cryptk | installed the updates on the computer |
| 05:36.56 | gollyzila|comp | ohhh |
| 05:37.04 | cryptk | sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install |
| 05:37.12 | cryptk | I have an Ubuntu Server at home |
| 05:37.47 | cryptk | I use it as a combination FTP and media server |
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| 05:39.38 | gollyzila|comp | oh yeah, there's a new PRL update for Sprint Pre's |
| 05:39.50 | cryptk | nice |
| 05:41.18 | jhojho | 667? |
| 05:41.20 | gollyzila|comp | battery drain per hour 6.44% |
| 05:41.31 | gollyzila|comp | jhojho: Yep |
| 05:43.14 | Tman | lead average 6.03 and my pre isn't doing anything... |
| 05:44.19 | Tman | what's the timespan on the last avg? 1min? |
| 05:44.29 | gollyzila|comp | 10 min |
| 05:44.50 | Tman | oh.. that explains it. seems long |
| 05:45.39 | Tman | what is it on the first then? |
| 05:45.48 | gollyzila|comp | but the first averages i posted were in 2 minute timespans |
| 05:47.02 | jhojho | cool. updated prl |
| 05:47.26 | gollyzila|comp | what timespan should i use? |
| 05:48.01 | gollyzila|comp | wooh went down to 3.78 with screen off |
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| 05:56.19 | cryptk | welp, time for me to get to bed |
| 05:56.22 | cryptk | I will see you guys later |
| 05:56.30 | gollyzila|comp | gnight |
| 05:56.56 | gollyzila|comp | wifi off, 3G on, nodoze and screen always on |
| 05:57.05 | gollyzila|comp | starting at 10:56 |
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| 06:07.12 | gollyzila|comp | in 10 minutes, lowest was 9% highest (after a few min) was 19%. now its at 17.89% |
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| 06:09.25 | gollyzila|comp | thunderchief time |
| 06:09.39 | ka6sox-work | Thud! |
| 06:09.51 | gollyzila|comp | its a thud? |
| 06:10.17 | gollyzila|comp | oh, did any webos-internals member see my Preware suggestion from last night? |
| 06:10.23 | gollyzila|comp | MY last night |
| 06:11.05 | ka6sox-work | It was commonly known as the Thud by its crews. |
| 06:11.33 | ka6sox-work | F-105 Thunderchief was commonly known as the Thud. |
| 06:11.45 | gollyzila|comp | Thanks for the info |
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| 06:12.46 | ka6sox-work | yw |
| 06:13.32 | rwhitby | gollyzila|comp: I did, but don't remember what it was. |
| 06:14.20 | gollyzila|comp | rwhitby: background updating apps while the user gets use of preware. |
| 06:14.25 | gollyzila|comp | For example.... |
| 06:15.14 | rwhitby | gollyzila|comp: impossible |
| 06:15.27 | gollyzila|comp | oh |
| 06:15.29 | gollyzila|comp | darn |
| 06:16.17 | gollyzila|comp | while youre here. there's a slight aesthetical bug in Preware |
| 06:16.42 | gollyzila|comp | search something in preware |
| 06:16.56 | gollyzila|comp | "kernel |
| 06:17.18 | gollyzila|comp | tap a package and go back |
| 06:17.42 | gollyzila|comp | then tap the search bar and type something again |
| 06:18.35 | gollyzila|comp | the second time you type something, the second letter the searched word is capitalized |
| 06:19.53 | rwhitby | cannot reproduce it |
| 06:21.03 | gollyzila|comp | go into card view and pack into Preware again. go to list of everything, search kernel, tap the first package, back out all the way to the main scene, and type kernel again. |
| 06:21.45 | gollyzila|comp | its happening to me without tapping a package |
| 06:22.02 | rwhitby | nope, still cannot reproduce |
| 06:22.07 | gollyzila|comp | i would show you a screenshot but that's easily produced. |
| 06:22.30 | rwhitby | does it happen on a freshly doctored device? |
| 06:22.44 | rwhitby | cause I can't reproduce it here |
| 06:23.22 | gollyzila|comp | my device hasnt been doctored in awhile |
| 06:23.30 | gollyzila|comp | its nothing serious |
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| 06:34.23 | gollyzila|comp | thunderchief's frequency settings can't be changed correct? or not? |
| 06:34.31 | gollyzila|comp | through govnah |
| 06:34.39 | rwhitby | sure they can |
| 06:36.09 | Tman | just had a discussion with Agar's developer about adding OpenGL ES support :) |
| 06:38.12 | rwhitby | needs a test device which doesn't hard-crash below 500MHz |
| 06:39.05 | Tman | do all your devices do that? :/ |
| 06:40.39 | ka6sox-work | rwhitby, all mine go to 250mhz |
| 06:40.53 | ka6sox-work | and the pixi will go to 125 |
| 06:41.05 | rwhitby | Tman: just the one that I currently use for experimental testing. I guess I should try another. |
| 06:42.08 | ka6sox-work | poor pre and pixi have been doctored 8 times tonight. |
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| 06:46.14 | Tman | It's amazing how much more productive I am when I minimize IRC |
| 06:46.20 | Tman | bbl |
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| 08:32.55 | rwhitby | Govnah 0.4.11 in testing feed fixes bugs in compcache handling. Update recommended if you're alpha testing kernels with compcache modules. |
| 08:33.24 | rwhitby | bbl |
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| 10:54.52 | Shiggity | hello all |
| 10:55.06 | Shiggity | rwhitby: you around? |
| 10:55.29 | Shiggity | or anyone else that's helped develop UberKernel? |
| 10:56.14 | Shiggity | I'd like to try out the overclocking stuff. Preferably the 800 MHz setting |
| 10:56.15 | Shiggity | = ) |
| 10:56.19 | Shiggity | anyone? |
| 10:56.20 | Shiggity | = ) |
| 11:02.50 | Shiggity | installs UberKernel again and then gets Govnah |
| 11:34.48 | Shiggity | rwhitby: I reinstalled UK and I didn't have that issue I had before of no incoming audio. Outgoing worked fine, but it was incoming that was being odd.. Now all seems well. |
| 11:35.01 | Shiggity | I'm playing with scaling apps like Govnah and CPUScalerUltimate |
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| 12:28.17 | sbromwich | what sort of battery life do people see running the pre in standby mode? |
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| 12:50.03 | jhojho | sbromwich: with only wifi on, it lasts over a day |
| 12:50.07 | jhojho | 2 days even |
| 12:50.20 | en0x | when i turn off data |
| 12:50.23 | en0x | i get 2 full days |
| 12:50.24 | en0x | ;] |
| 12:51.08 | jhojho | main pre, i still see a visible drain due to email checking, fb notifications etc. |
| 12:51.58 | en0x | i have push email on my gmail account |
| 12:52.00 | en0x | no fb |
| 12:52.07 | en0x | i run 2 twitter clients |
| 12:52.08 | en0x | etc |
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| 12:58.22 | sbromwich | ok thanks |
| 12:59.02 | sbromwich | still tinkering with the prcm stuff to have a balance between not sucking down battery, and not losing IRQs and killing lunasysmgr ;-) |
| 12:59.32 | jhojho | heck i'm having volting issues |
| 13:01.14 | Shiggity | Great work on UberKernel guys. I have it running at 800 MHz, and I'm half-tempted to try the THUNDERCHIEF kernel, but 800 MHz is good enough for me right now |
| 13:01.53 | jhojho | bbl |
| 13:04.01 | sbromwich | jhojho: retries in prcm_pwr.c is the magic variable... I now have it set to run 495 times with udelay then the last 5 are sched_irq - seems to be a lot easier on the battery life |
| 13:04.33 | jhojho | cool will look at it |
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| 13:53.37 | GNUtoo|laptop | hi, I've a question on the libertas_sdio driver webos uses, can the default palm kernel do access point,or does it do just ad-hoc? |
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| 14:05.31 | GNUtoo|laptop | playya__, hi |
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| 14:59.07 | gone60 | hey people |
| 14:59.39 | gone60 | any way to make time/date stamps to show in text messages? |
| 15:00.09 | gone60 | instead of just the month or how many weeks ago |
| 15:00.15 | egaudet_work | there's a patch for that |
| 15:02.34 | GNUtoo|laptop | hi, |
| 15:02.41 | GNUtoo|laptop | I've a question on the wifi |
| 15:02.49 | GNUtoo|laptop | SFR advertize something like ap |
| 15:02.53 | GNUtoo|laptop | up to 5 machines |
| 15:03.08 | GNUtoo|laptop | does it really do ap,or does it only do some sort of ad-hoc mode |
| 15:03.10 | GNUtoo|laptop | ? |
| 15:07.22 | gone60 | egaudet_work whats the name of said patch? |
| 15:08.03 | egaudet_work | there's a few, and the name is very intuitive like "timestamps in messaging app" or something. Check preware -> available packages -> Patch -> Messaging or just search for "timestamp" |
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| 15:21.49 | rcube | I am having trouble getting ipkg-opt. I am using terminal and have these optware installs zlib libstdc ,adv lin comm line installer, optware bootstrap. |
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| 15:22.52 | rcube | do I have to run the .sh script from the wiki? |
| 15:23.59 | egaudet_work | did you install optware from preware |
| 15:24.34 | rcube | let me check. |
| 15:25.33 | rcube | yes. i f you aee referring to opt boots then I installed it from preware. is that what you are referring to? |
| 15:26.13 | egaudet_work | yeah |
| 15:26.42 | egaudet_work | and you do not have ipkg-opt? |
| 15:26.50 | rcube | let me |
| 15:27.00 | rcube | pull up terminal again |
| 15:27.21 | rcube | I am trying to get make installed |
| 15:28.40 | rcube | ok. I'm full of it cause I typed in simply ipkg-opt and got a response. let me see if I can find the string I was using to install make. this may take a while for me to find. |
| 15:30.14 | rcube | ipkg-opt install make |
| 15:30.17 | PuffTheMagic | egaudet_work, optware from preware does not seem to set your env |
| 15:30.21 | PuffTheMagic | or update path |
| 15:30.33 | PuffTheMagic | which is prob why ipkg-opt isnt being found |
| 15:30.42 | rcube | oh I see |
| 15:31.41 | PuffTheMagic | so check /opt/bin/ipkt |
| 15:31.45 | rcube | should I set that manually? if so, can you link to any instructions? |
| 15:31.46 | PuffTheMagic | or where ever it is supposed to be |
| 15:31.50 | rcube | ok |
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| 15:34.18 | rcube | another simple question... I typed in /opt/bin/ipkt and got not found but when I type in /opt I get permission denied. do I not have enough previledges? |
| 15:34.56 | en0x | r u root? |
| 15:35.40 | egaudet_work | PuffTheMagic: yes it does |
| 15:35.47 | egaudet_work | I installed optware from preware and which ipkg-opt finds it |
| 15:36.19 | PuffTheMagic | egaudet_work, if u already have a shell open and then install optware |
| 15:36.24 | PuffTheMagic | your path will not be updated |
| 15:36.28 | PuffTheMagic | u need to log out/in |
| 15:36.33 | PuffTheMagic | or update your profile |
| 15:36.37 | PuffTheMagic | or u get this error |
| 15:36.46 | rcube | yes it says root@palm-webos-device:var....... how can I query my own User id ? |
| 15:36.59 | egaudet_work | PuffTheMagic: oh right |
| 15:39.30 | rcube | should I temporarily make myself super user? |
| 15:39.41 | egaudet_work | you are already root |
| 15:39.57 | egaudet_work | should be if using terminal |
| 15:40.06 | PuffTheMagic | rcube, do 'su -' |
| 15:40.11 | rcube | ok |
| 15:40.22 | rcube | done |
| 15:40.31 | PuffTheMagic | see if u still have perm issues |
| 15:42.08 | GNUtoo|laptop | hi, does someone knows if the palm pre can do ap? |
| 15:42.33 | PuffTheMagic | GNUtoo|laptop, of course it can |
| 15:43.16 | GNUtoo|laptop | did they publish the sources? |
| 15:43.23 | PuffTheMagic | nope |
| 15:43.30 | GNUtoo|laptop | ok |
| 15:43.36 | GNUtoo|laptop | did someone wrote to them? |
| 15:43.49 | rcube | ok I still can't get to /opt or /opt/bin but /opt/bin/ipkg gives me the message that there should be a sub command argument. :) |
| 15:43.53 | PuffTheMagic | yeah the driver is not open source |
| 15:43.58 | PuffTheMagic | we are not getting the code |
| 15:44.13 | GNUtoo|laptop | you mean they don't used any gpl interfaces? |
| 15:44.27 | PuffTheMagic | no imean what i said |
| 15:44.33 | PuffTheMagic | the driver is not open source |
| 15:44.46 | GNUtoo|laptop | yes but what does that means? |
| 15:44.55 | PuffTheMagic | it means its closed source |
| 15:45.04 | GNUtoo|laptop | because in the kenrel you can export gpl and non gpl functions |
| 15:45.16 | PuffTheMagic | what dont u get about closed source |
| 15:45.20 | GNUtoo|laptop | if they used gpl functions they should provide sources |
| 15:45.24 | PuffTheMagic | its like the nvidia blob |
| 15:45.27 | GNUtoo|laptop | ah ok |
| 15:45.46 | GNUtoo|laptop | I didn't get if it was closed source because they didn't gave the sources while they had too |
| 15:45.54 | GNUtoo|laptop | or because they hadn't to give the source |
| 15:46.01 | GNUtoo|laptop | so if it's like nvidia |
| 15:46.10 | GNUtoo|laptop | they don't have to give the sources |
| 15:46.19 | GNUtoo|laptop | altough some people would discuss that |
| 15:46.25 | GNUtoo|laptop | but it's on a rough edge |
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| 15:46.30 | GNUtoo|laptop | so difficult to get |
| 15:46.37 | rcube | I get cannot find the package make? let me try an update ipkg-opt update ... is that right? |
| 15:47.18 | PuffTheMagic | rcube, why are you trying to compile on your phone? |
| 15:49.25 | rcube | there is an app obd gps logger I'd like to eventually port to webos. it's simple, runs wo gui if I want it to but it's not xross compiled and (embarassing) I don't have a nix desktop :O |
| 15:49.29 | rcube | http://icculus.org/obdgpslogger/ |
| 15:49.35 | GNUtoo|laptop | so I bet modinfo say closed source on ./kernel/net/wifi/sd8xxx.ko |
| 15:49.40 | GNUtoo|laptop | thanks a lot for the infos |
| 15:49.42 | PuffTheMagic | rcube, you need a cross compiler |
| 15:49.44 | PuffTheMagic | dont build on the pre |
| 15:49.47 | PuffTheMagic | that is retarded |
| 15:50.00 | GNUtoo|laptop | there is a sdk for the palm pre no? |
| 15:50.12 | GNUtoo|laptop | can someone use openembedded to build for the palm pre? |
| 15:50.24 | GNUtoo|laptop | is there an overlay for that(for beeing compatible webos) |
| 15:50.43 | PuffTheMagic | you can use what ever you want |
| 15:50.52 | PuffTheMagic | as long as you can make arm binaries |
| 15:51.01 | PuffTheMagic | and they run |
| 15:51.14 | rcube | I didn't think it would take long to build such a light app. hmm. |
| 15:51.27 | GNUtoo|laptop | in either case it would be long |
| 15:51.40 | GNUtoo|laptop | in the cross-compiling case you have to build the deps |
| 15:51.46 | PuffTheMagic | rcube you gonna get it working on your first try? |
| 15:51.56 | PuffTheMagic | if not you are gonna be doing lots of compiling |
| 15:52.03 | GNUtoo|laptop | in the case you bulid on target the palm would be too slow |
| 15:52.13 | GNUtoo|laptop | he left...too bad |
| 15:52.33 | GNUtoo|laptop | anyway I was shown that there is a thin firmware for libertas sdio |
| 15:52.39 | GNUtoo|laptop | interesting... |
| 15:52.54 | PuffTheMagic | none of the open source drivers work out of the box |
| 15:53.02 | GNUtoo|laptop | ok |
| 15:53.07 | PuffTheMagic | they "should" work |
| 15:53.19 | PuffTheMagic | but they need some tweaking for the board on the pre |
| 15:53.23 | GNUtoo|laptop | ah ok |
| 15:53.24 | PuffTheMagic | i beleive |
| 15:53.30 | PuffTheMagic | thats beyond my skill |
| 15:53.35 | GNUtoo|laptop | like platform specific things |
| 15:53.40 | PuffTheMagic | yeah |
| 15:53.45 | GNUtoo|laptop | platform_data and platform_device |
| 15:53.48 | GNUtoo|laptop | I belive |
| 15:53.49 | GNUtoo|laptop | ok |
| 15:53.59 | GNUtoo|laptop | so no free wifi yet |
| 15:54.08 | GNUtoo|laptop | too bad |
| 15:54.18 | PuffTheMagic | sure there is |
| 15:54.25 | PuffTheMagic | get the mobile hotspot app |
| 15:54.30 | GNUtoo|laptop | ah ok |
| 15:54.30 | PuffTheMagic | and use freetether with it |
| 15:54.44 | GNUtoo|laptop | thanks a lot for the ap infos |
| 15:55.15 | GNUtoo|laptop | I am thinking of buying a palm pre plus to put SHR on it |
| 15:55.32 | GNUtoo|laptop | SHR is a free distro that uses openembedded and FSO |
| 15:55.55 | GNUtoo|laptop | I will wait until they got telephony integrated |
| 15:56.06 | GNUtoo|laptop | but some things weren't tested |
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| 16:00.30 | torchie-pre | so you can compile on device? |
| 16:01.55 | PuffTheMagic | sure can |
| 16:02.07 | PuffTheMagic | its a waste of time and effort |
| 16:03.09 | balrog-k1n | it isn't sooooo slow |
| 16:03.43 | balrog-k1n | kernel compilation is about the speed of my p3 500mhz from three years ago |
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| 16:04.03 | PuffTheMagic | which is far to slow |
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| 16:09.33 | Marajin | heh |
| 16:09.41 | Marajin | compilation on a p3-500 |
| 16:09.44 | Marajin | nice :p |
| 16:10.04 | Marajin | my current server will compile its entire distro in a few hours from scratch |
| 16:10.17 | Marajin | I don't want to go back to the days where that'd take well over 24 hours |
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| 16:14.08 | PuffTheMagic | yeah i had a dual p3 450 box in HS |
| 16:14.15 | PuffTheMagic | that i used to install gentoo on |
| 16:14.16 | PuffTheMagic | :( |
| 16:14.22 | PuffTheMagic | shit took forever |
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| 16:20.27 | arn | oh my GOD |
| 16:20.36 | arn | my boner |
| 16:20.42 | arn | is so huge right now |
| 16:21.00 | arn | f105 is phenomenal |
| 16:22.54 | halfhalo | Uggg |
| 16:22.58 | halfhalo | class⦠|
| 16:23.04 | arn | consistent benchmarks vs UK -43: 30C/38C at idle, max 38C/47C |
| 16:23.05 | halfhalo | I don't like class |
| 16:23.43 | arn | ~300MB/over 400MB of mem usage |
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| 16:24.35 | arn | and something like 2% drain/hr vs. 4-5% with UK |
| 16:25.26 | dtzWill | halfhalo: summer classes? :( |
| 16:25.34 | arn | the cpu temp difference is crazy. my pre+ hasn't been cool to the touch since I got it. |
| 16:25.47 | halfhalo | Yup |
| 16:25.56 | halfhalo | Calc over summer sucks |
| 16:26.09 | arn | so glad I'm done with grad school |
| 16:26.27 | dtzWill | arn: grats |
| 16:26.33 | arn | not so glad that undergrad student loans are about to kick in |
| 16:26.36 | arn | thx |
| 16:27.22 | dtzWill | arn: that'll teach you to graduate. :) |
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| 16:29.28 | bsm | hi, I really like the Top Bar patches, but installing more then 2 often results in patch "failed hunks". Increasing the Fuzz factor for patch (-F ) helps, is there some way to implement this into the packages? |
| 16:30.26 | arn | are you sure some patches aren't conflicting with others |
| 16:31.13 | arn | in my experience, patch creators don't always test compatibility with similar patch types |
| 16:31.35 | arn | the top bar patches are a prime example |
| 16:31.43 | arn | device menu as well |
| 16:31.50 | egaudet_work | bsm: the default is 2, the max is 3 |
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| 16:32.07 | egaudet_work | and there's really not much you can do with conflicting patches |
| 16:33.26 | egaudet_work | patch creators are generally looking for the quick-fix, not the most forward-compatible solution, and as arn said patches for things like top bar and device menu contain many conflicts due to the nature of it |
| 16:33.53 | arn | oh, I wasn't putting the onus on them. |
| 16:37.26 | egaudet_work | I meant the nature of things like top bar and device menu don't allow for much in the way of compatibility. Without creating n! versions of a patch, there's just no way to make them all compatible when they all need to change the same stuff |
| 16:37.39 | bsm | arn: egaudet_work I don't mean real conflicts, for example I'd like to install GPS, Data Usage and the 3G/2G/Auto toggle patch. the patches themselves don't conflict, but patch is not able to patch the files because it does not know the changes the other patches did. |
| 16:38.01 | egaudet_work | bsm, that means they conflict |
| 16:38.10 | arn | ^ |
| 16:38.15 | egaudet_work | when we say conflict, we don't mean functionality |
| 16:39.12 | arn | rubenstein really should have known better than to start with linux as the is substrate |
| 16:40.02 | bsm | "is substrate"? |
| 16:40.13 | arn | supposed to say OS |
| 16:40.20 | egaudet_work | what's wrong with linux? |
| 16:40.23 | arn | autocomplete failure |
| 16:40.28 | bsm | arn: should he have used iOS? :) |
| 16:40.34 | arn | nothing, on the merits |
| 16:40.36 | arn | bs |
| 16:40.40 | arn | argh |
| 16:41.07 | arn | nah, but netbsd or a microkernel wouldve been nice |
| 16:41.42 | arn | although it sure seems like HP is trying to buy its way to some serious webOS overhauls |
| 16:42.00 | arn | so that's good |
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| 16:44.06 | egaudet_work | webOS on EVERYTHING! tablets, printers, jukeboxes, kitchen appliances! |
| 16:44.59 | arn | bbiab |
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| 17:20.42 | PrePapa | Hey |
| 17:20.56 | PrePapa | Can someone help me out with Testing feeds? |
| 17:20.56 | oilsworkn | hi |
| 17:21.39 | oilsworkn | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Testing_Feeds |
| 17:22.02 | PrePapa | got it thx |
| 17:22.04 | PrePapa | ;) |
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| 17:46.28 | Robi_ | weird, my contacts app just told me I coudln't save a new contact I just typed in a bunch of info for |
| 17:46.44 | Robi_ | and then lost all my changes |
| 17:47.47 | oilsworkn | sucks |
| 17:49.23 | Mousey | >_< |
| 17:49.52 | Mousey | anybody try z-push (or o-push) with the Pre's EAS yet? |
| 17:54.07 | Robi_ | hm / is at 93% |
| 17:54.41 | Robi_ | but still 31MB free, how does that compare to you? |
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| 18:03.34 | egaudet_work | Robi_: that's expected range |
| 18:07.45 | en0x | hmm |
| 18:08.38 | en0x | my / is at 92% |
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| 18:11.53 | egaudet_work | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:12.01 | egaudet_work | stock I think it's like 91% |
| 18:13.12 | Robi_ | k |
| 18:13.31 | Robi_ | i still cant figure out why it fails to save a new contact |
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| 18:20.15 | Robi_ | time to restart luna |
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| 18:28.45 | mrjcarter|wirc | How would I go about changing the default orientation of an app? |
| 18:28.56 | Robi_ | restarted java and luna and now i can add contacts again, weird |
| 18:29.51 | Robi_ | mrjcarter|wirc: i dont know, but i'd imagine it'd be in one of the app config files, take a look at an app that does it |
| 18:35.06 | Robi_ | uhh compcache is taking its time now |
| 18:35.26 | GNUtoo|laptop | hi, about preware is there a place where the packages are referenced? I mean if someone does not have a palm pre,how can he know what is in preware? |
| 18:35.43 | GNUtoo|laptop | (it's for viewing if palm pre is good for general use) |
| 18:35.54 | GNUtoo|laptop | general use means john doe |
| 18:37.06 | egaudet_work | all the preware feeds are http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/ |
| 18:38.16 | GNUtoo|laptop | ok |
| 18:38.17 | GNUtoo|laptop | thanks |
| 18:38.21 | sbromwich | Bell Mobility has advised Capital Health that they are currently experiencing issues on their cellular network in Atlantic Canada. The newer Blackberry models seem to be affected by this problem. Bell Mobility is currently working on the problem. |
| 18:38.30 | sbromwich | (also apparently affecting iphones) |
| 18:38.33 | sbromwich | (but not pre) |
| 18:44.19 | GNUtoo|laptop | egaudet_work, in webos-internals/armv7/ there are good things but not a lot of packages,the rest seem commandline(optware) or java |
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| 18:48.56 | Robi_ | which account do you guys use as the default for contacts, the palm one or the google one? |
| 18:49.28 | Robi_ | i dont understand why I can't find contacts that I have emailed in google on the pre. [my default is set to google] |
| 18:52.25 | egaudet_work | GNUtoo|laptop: are you looking for something specific? |
| 18:52.50 | GNUtoo|laptop | hmmm |
| 18:52.53 | GNUtoo|laptop | maybe games |
| 18:53.03 | GNUtoo|laptop | or internet applications |
| 18:53.12 | egaudet_work | There aren't a ton of native apps in the internals feeds |
| 18:53.20 | GNUtoo|laptop | ok |
| 18:53.42 | GNUtoo|laptop | basically all application have to be directfb-ified ? |
| 18:53.43 | egaudet_work | there are a lot of other projects in repos though like enlightenment, QT, etc... |
| 18:54.00 | GNUtoo|laptop | ok |
| 18:54.11 | egaudet_work | http://git.webos-internals.org/ |
| 18:54.22 | egaudet_work | Also check out the WIDK |
| 18:54.24 | GNUtoo|laptop | it was because a friend asked me about phones |
| 18:54.24 | GNUtoo|laptop | ok |
| 18:54.31 | GNUtoo|laptop | can things just be bitbaken? |
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| 18:55.06 | halfhalo_class | world cup on projector |
| 18:55.39 | GNUtoo|laptop | lol tuxracer |
| 18:55.49 | GNUtoo|laptop | too bad the 3d driver isn't FLOSS |
| 18:56.02 | egaudet_work | Currently we are using an SB2 environment |
| 18:56.14 | egaudet_work | I had begun porting tuxracer, but then got sidetracked and haven't gone back yet |
| 18:56.48 | GNUtoo|laptop | ok |
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| 19:01.02 | MetaView | moi |
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| 19:29.41 | halfhalo_class1 | :/ |
| 19:29.56 | halfhalo_class1 | ESPN Brokked its live stream |
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| 19:32.32 | MetaView | someone online which is in charge for webosinternals git repository? except rwhitby, he's stll sleeping, I guess. |
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| 19:36.20 | PuffTheMagic | MetaView, did you ask a question there? |
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| 19:53.07 | MetaView | PuffTheMagic: yes, it was a question :) |
| 19:53.25 | MetaView | rwhitby: said something about git-access for me |
| 19:53.34 | halfhalo_class1 | ewww |
| 19:53.35 | halfhalo_class1 | git |
| 19:53.37 | MetaView | I have access to the WIDK git repository |
| 19:53.38 | halfhalo_class1 | oh, wait.... |
| 19:53.54 | MetaView | but would like to have access to the patch part |
| 19:54.18 | MetaView | to commit my patches without submitting them (the updates) to the website |
| 19:54.35 | MetaView | to release the updates faster |
| 19:54.47 | PuffTheMagic | i will let him do that then |
| 19:54.51 | ka6sox-work | MetaView, be patient...we are working that one. |
| 19:55.06 | halfhalo_class1 | SOMEONE broke git, didn't they... |
| 19:55.30 | ka6sox-work | halfhalo_class1, if somebody DID it wasn't ME. |
| 19:55.31 | MetaView | ok, I'm patient, no problem :) |
| 19:55.40 | halfhalo_class1 | brb, restarting adium |
| 19:55.44 | MetaView | PuffTheMagic: thx |
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| 19:56.37 | egaudet_work | dBsooner: pinnng |
| 19:56.41 | egaudet_work | pingapong |
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| 21:17.03 | hape | http://www.mobile1up.com/lemmings/blog/ |
| 21:17.35 | MetaView | There is already a html lemmings |
| 21:17.45 | MetaView | even almost playable on the Pre |
| 21:18.01 | hape | MetaView: not seen until now. Must have overseen it |
| 21:18.09 | MetaView | the controls are a bit small and the hit the sprites is difficult |
| 21:19.06 | MetaView | http://www.elizium.nu/scripts/lemmings/ |
| 21:19.42 | ka6sox-work | MetaView, my NWN adverturing group is: The Loyal Order of Lemmings. |
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| 21:24.51 | Abyssul | hey |
| 21:25.02 | oilsworkn | hey |
| 21:25.19 | MetaView | g'night |
| 21:25.24 | Abyssul | lol |
| 21:26.07 | oilsworkn | at 2:30? |
| 21:52.21 | bhuey | folks |
| 21:52.50 | oilsworkn | thats us? |
| 21:53.41 | bhuey | yes, hello |
| 21:53.47 | Abyssul | Howdy |
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| 22:20.16 | oc80z | whats good? |
| 22:23.08 | oilsworkn | all the time in between when you ask that :) |
| 22:28.19 | uNiXpSyChO | walks by holding an M249 SAW |
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| 22:31.26 | uNiXpSyChO | looks for a bigger weapon... an M134 |
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| 22:35.21 | uNiXpSyChO | grabs a cigar and takes deep breaths of the smell of naPALM. |
| 22:36.17 | Marajin | I love the smell of nerdery in the morning.. it smells like victory! |
| 22:36.23 | halfhalo_class | What... I was just moving it into the other room.... kept tripping over it next to the tv |
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| 22:42.23 | generalhan | hey all ... my boss just got the palm pre, and wants me to figure out how to add multiple exchange calendars to sync on his phone. initial google search revealed some posts saying it wasnt possible to do, but i find that hard to believe. Anyone in here done it, or can confirm that it actually cannot be done ? |
| 22:43.28 | Marajin | generalhan: you can add multiple exchange accounts and thus /sync/ multiple calendars |
| 22:43.39 | Marajin | but it won't sync multiple calendars from one account |
| 22:43.44 | Marajin | that has irritated me also |
| 22:43.52 | Marajin | as it meant having 3 discrete exchange accounts tied into my pre |
| 22:44.07 | Marajin | inversely most phones bug me by not allowing either option |
| 22:44.21 | Marajin | most go 'you've got one exchange account, like it or lump it! |
| 22:44.29 | generalhan | pfft, i dont care about that ... i will just create and exchange room mailbox have him sync to that to get his other calendar then ! |
| 22:44.39 | Marajin | yeah it's easy done |
| 22:45.01 | rwhitby | BTW, questions about normal operation of the unmodified vendor OS are best asked in #webos |
| 22:45.07 | generalhan | so by default, by just adding another exchange account, it will sync that calendar (under a different color i assume) to the same calendar he already uses ?! |
| 22:45.27 | generalhan | rwhitby: noted. thank you ! |
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| 23:12.38 | chaosmarine03 | hey everyone. would anyone be willing to link me to the patched mobile hotspot .ipk and the freetether.ipk for use with my sprint 1.4.1.1 palm pre? |
| 23:12.53 | keith | precentral has a post |
| 23:12.59 | keith | thats what i followed |
| 23:13.09 | chaosmarine03 | yeah the links are dead |
| 23:13.31 | chaosmarine03 | heres the one im using http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/239471-how-install-mobile-hotspot-1-4-1-1-sprint-pre.html |
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| 23:22.44 | jhojho | we dont talk about that in here |
| 23:24.28 | chaosmarine03 | any reason why? |
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| 23:27.52 | chaosmarine03 | seems like no one talks at all in here ha |
| 23:28.15 | Marajin | sssh, you'll rile rwhitby |
| 23:28.43 | rwhitby | heh. So who's been testing Govnah 0.4.1 and Uber -5x ? |
| 23:29.13 | rwhitby | chaosmarine03: linking you to a proprietary Palm file would be a copyright violation. |
| 23:29.42 | Marajin | That much is true, TBH. Legally we can't talk about it |
| 23:29.49 | Marajin | and thus, we won't |
| 23:30.06 | rwhitby | if there's one thing that we are careful about, it is not redistributing Palm files. |
| 23:30.12 | chaosmarine03 | rwhitby: whoops had no idea. ill move on. Thanks anyway |
| 23:30.13 | Marajin | at least, not in a 'here's how to do it and where to get the files' |
| 23:31.02 | Marajin | rwhitby: remind me to stop being busy and start abusing my pre with Govnah et al sometime |
| 23:32.19 | Marajin | My pre needs a good kicking anyway. I haven't paid it much attention for a while, but it seems to be sorely dragging its feet more and more lately |
| 23:32.43 | rwhitby | doctor it |
| 23:32.45 | jhojho | rwhitby: I HAVE! =) |
| 23:32.51 | rwhitby | actually, meta-doctor it. |
| 23:32.53 | jhojho | but I also broke my own kernel =) |
| 23:32.57 | Marajin | It has no good reason to need doctoring! |
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| 23:35.51 | Marajin | well, alright, I have good reason to doctor it (lagging a bit on app launching, turning itself off suspiciously at certain rare occassions) but hey |
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