| 00:29.31 | rwhitby | morning |
| 00:30.23 | sk1tt1sh | sup |
| 00:32.57 | jhojho | re |
| 00:36.03 | jhojho | holy cow |
| 00:36.20 | jhojho | starting ubuntu 10.04 under vmware took like 5 seconds |
| 00:36.26 | jhojho | im impressed |
| 00:49.36 | jhojho | rwhitby: which arm toolchain are you using to compile uberkernel? |
| 00:49.59 | rwhitby | 2007q3, the same as Palm uses for the rootfs |
| 00:50.16 | rwhitby | jhojho: sbromwich uses a later version of cs toolchain for his experimental kernel |
| 00:50.51 | jhojho | ok |
| 00:51.52 | jhojho | is http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/WebOS_Internals_PDK the recommended way to set up a cross compile env now? |
| 00:52.34 | rwhitby | jhojho: that or preware/build.git |
| 00:54.51 | jhojho | preware/build.git toolchain? |
| 00:55.25 | rwhitby | yep |
| 01:06.05 | sk1tt1sh | build.git is tough to use if you're a noob like me :p lol |
| 01:06.28 | rwhitby | sk1tt1sh: cross-compile.git is easier? |
| 01:07.18 | sk1tt1sh | idk |
| 01:07.29 | sk1tt1sh | i got about teh same distance on either |
| 01:07.52 | sk1tt1sh | so i signed my ipk with the appsigning-bundle.crt lol |
| 01:07.59 | sk1tt1sh | about to try it hahaha |
| 01:08.12 | rwhitby | orly - you got the private key from somewhere? |
| 01:08.20 | sk1tt1sh | no |
| 01:08.26 | sk1tt1sh | i just did the -s on it |
| 01:08.59 | sk1tt1sh | can i use the org.webosinternals.crt and key? ifso...where to downloda? |
| 01:09.20 | rwhitby | yeah, right. we're really going to give you the key to be able to sign things as webos internals ... |
| 01:09.26 | sk1tt1sh | rofl |
| 01:09.37 | sk1tt1sh | that's what i thought but i thought i'd throw it out there |
| 01:10.11 | sk1tt1sh | when i tried this tho ipkg-build didn't like it |
| 01:10.13 | sk1tt1sh | openssl req -x509 -nodes -days 365 -newkey rsa:1024 -keyout mycert.pem -out mycert.pem |
| 01:10.14 | sk1tt1sh | extract the public key |
| 01:10.14 | sk1tt1sh | openssl rsa -in mycert.pem -pubout -out pubkey.pem |
| 01:10.26 | sk1tt1sh | said it wanted something about trusted |
| 01:11.18 | rwhitby | sk1tt1sh: you should look at the latest metadoctor to see how to add your CA |
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| 01:12.18 | sk1tt1sh | in the make? |
| 01:13.03 | rwhitby | just look at the latest commits in git |
| 01:13.22 | sk1tt1sh | like netstat.git or something |
| 01:14.31 | sk1tt1sh | ok im looking at netstat |
| 01:15.50 | sk1tt1sh | ... |
| 01:15.57 | sk1tt1sh | grr im screwed |
| 01:16.07 | sk1tt1sh | idk wtf to even look for. |
| 01:16.12 | sk1tt1sh | sorry i bug you so much |
| 01:18.26 | rwhitby | sk1tt1sh: tools/meta-doctor.git latest commits |
| 01:26.26 | jhojho | rwhitby: do you know if sbromwich uses the 2009 toolchain or 2010? |
| 01:27.08 | rwhitby | jhojho: his Makefile in preware/build.git/testing-kernels/sbromwich-kernel-pre/ will say |
| 01:30.38 | jhojho | it's the 2008 |
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| 01:46.02 | sk1tt1sh | FML! Jun 12, 2010 7:44:36 PM com.palm.nova.installer.recoverytool.CardController logP |
| 01:46.02 | sk1tt1sh | rint |
| 01:46.03 | sk1tt1sh | INFO: ROM Verifyer: Starting Check of ROM |
| 01:46.03 | sk1tt1sh | Jun 12, 2010 7:45:21 PM com.palm.nova.installer.recoverytool.CardController logP |
| 01:46.03 | sk1tt1sh | rint |
| 01:46.03 | sk1tt1sh | INFO: ROM Verifyer: *./usr/bin/bc: FAILED |
| 01:49.04 | sk1tt1sh | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Packaging_Homebrew_Apps_for_Stock_Pre_without_Rooting |
| 01:49.09 | sk1tt1sh | NO! |
| 02:01.24 | Marajin | no what? |
| 02:04.23 | jhojho | rwhitby: I dont suppose you want to add this release to the repo... |
| 02:04.24 | jhojho | http://www.codesourcery.com/sgpp/lite/arm/portal/release1293 |
| 02:04.50 | jhojho | * Significant improvements to ARMv7-A performance and reductions in Thumb-2 code size. |
| 02:08.09 | uNiXpSyChO | ooooooooh. and i thought 2009 was good. this just came out!!! time to start build new F105 kernel! |
| 02:09.47 | Robi_ | F105 is behaving quite well altho there are some glitches |
| 02:10.16 | uNiXpSyChO | how? no one has F105... it doesnt even exist yet. |
| 02:11.10 | Robi_ | sorry, F104, typo |
| 02:24.01 | jhojho | uNiXpSyChO: cool. i was waiting for you to show up |
| 02:24.21 | uNiXpSyChO | oh oh |
| 02:24.42 | jhojho | I was wondering if it was time for a psychokernel package. something more than UK but packaged up nicely. |
| 02:25.11 | jhojho | maybe UK + just compcache using latest toolchain |
| 02:25.31 | uNiXpSyChO | its a pain in the ass |
| 02:26.13 | jhojho | havent looked at the compcache patches so ... |
| 02:26.37 | uNiXpSyChO | no, compcache is easy. its mingling it with the autobuilder |
| 02:27.13 | uNiXpSyChO | i dont think rwhitby will want UK to use newest toolchain as its not what Palm uses |
| 02:27.30 | jhojho | thats why I'm suggesting a different kernel name |
| 02:27.53 | jhojho | sbromwich's kernel uses a newer toolchain |
| 02:28.03 | jhojho | and it's autobuilt. (i think) |
| 02:28.12 | uNiXpSyChO | and so dont my kernels that everyone wants |
| 02:28.23 | jhojho | http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=preware/build.git;a=blob;f=testing-kernels/sbromwich-kernel-pre/Makefile;h=7ab8ef7d421e9509526933e1a35d7f95cc551a71;hb=HEAD |
| 02:28.49 | uNiXpSyChO | its a pain in the ass to make a moving target kernel autobuild |
| 02:28.59 | ka6sox | oohyeha |
| 02:29.29 | jhojho | well is compcache stablized or are you continuing to change it? |
| 02:30.28 | uNiXpSyChO | rwhitby wants some backing-store checks before it hits uber. but compcache requires userspace scripts to activate it. that is currently not in the autobuilder |
| 02:31.24 | jhojho | AH. |
| 02:31.41 | jhojho | did not know that... |
| 02:32.15 | uNiXpSyChO | so everytime i add some experimental hack that requires some voodoo dancing around userspace apps it would take an overhaul of the autobuilder. and this is just for the testing kernels, nevermind Uber. |
| 02:33.46 | jhojho | ah. I see now. http://code.google.com/p/compcache/wiki/CompilingAndUsing |
| 02:33.51 | jhojho | man thats a hassle |
| 02:34.02 | ka6sox | sees oil rolling over with Govnah. |
| 02:35.25 | uNiXpSyChO | cracks open a bottle of Boone's |
| 02:37.13 | oil | is rolling over with what? |
| 02:40.01 | ka6sox | making changes with every compcache change for controlling compcache |
| 02:40.31 | oil | its dynamic, no |
| 02:40.32 | oil | ? |
| 02:41.07 | uNiXpSyChO | stumbles out of the room |
| 02:41.08 | oil | it will work with whatever the service tells it is writeable |
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| 02:41.30 | oil | if it doesn't recognize it, its form element is just a text box for entry of whatever |
| 02:41.40 | ka6sox | k |
| 02:42.04 | oil | and we can add them to the ones it knows how to format in a later release |
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| 02:42.26 | uNiXpSyChO | it has to edit a script for startup |
| 02:44.33 | oil | edit what script? |
| 02:44.48 | oil | like the "stickey" profile thing? |
| 02:44.57 | uNiXpSyChO | kinda |
| 02:45.07 | oil | well, the service will need to do the writing |
| 02:45.10 | oil | but govnah can tell it what to do |
| 02:45.33 | uNiXpSyChO | if a user wants to change how much ram to use for compcache then it has to edit event.d script or maybe change it on the fly, which can get ugly. |
| 02:46.24 | uNiXpSyChO | or even turn off compcache |
| 02:51.22 | rwhitby | oil: we're thinking of adding kernel module loading and unloading to Govnah |
| 02:51.30 | jhojho | it would be nice if govnah could set the io and tcp schedulers |
| 02:52.01 | oil | so what, a list scene with toggles? |
| 02:52.14 | uNiXpSyChO | oil is rolling over |
| 02:52.19 | jhojho | lol |
| 02:53.41 | rwhitby | oil: yeah, similar to freq list, we can get the scheduler list and select between them |
| 02:54.04 | rwhitby | oil: for modules, it'd be a list with toggles and a save settings |
| 02:55.52 | oil | knows rwhitby knows how to make a toggle list :) |
| 02:56.04 | rwhitby | uNiXpSyChO: mind if I extract the actual files out of the compcache054 patch and put them as files in the git repo? |
| 02:56.27 | uNiXpSyChO | sure |
| 02:57.23 | rwhitby | jhojho meet ka6sox, ka6sox meet jhojho. Re: SysHealth |
| 02:57.39 | ka6sox | hiya jhojho |
| 02:57.45 | jhojho | hey |
| 02:58.26 | jhojho | ka6sox: rwhitby suggested that I talk to you bout syshealth. have some ideas bout things for cleanup. |
| 02:58.51 | rwhitby | jhojho: git:applications/syshealth.git is the current state |
| 02:59.02 | jhojho | looking at it |
| 02:59.53 | ka6sox | jhojho, go ahead I'm quite interested in expanding what syshealth does. |
| 03:00.10 | jhojho | ka6sox: for instance, something that vaccums all the sqlite databases |
| 03:00.38 | jhojho | http://gist.github.com/436289 |
| 03:01.11 | jhojho | the other would be to clean up old email and attachments |
| 03:01.32 | jhojho | http://gist.github.com/436290 |
| 03:01.48 | jhojho | it's a good idea to reboot after the second one |
| 03:02.09 | jhojho | but it should probably also be made adjustable how many days to clean up |
| 03:02.42 | ka6sox | oh I like that...Turn Syshealth into an optimizing tool...excellent. |
| 03:02.52 | jhojho | vacuuming the cookies db saved a bunch of space and made the browser noticeably faster |
| 03:04.09 | ka6sox | I'd also like to setup logrotate too and compress the logs. |
| 03:06.07 | jhojho | good idea |
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| 03:10.29 | ka6sox | jhojho, when I repair the wiki then we can add the features and links there for application:syshealth and set about to adding those features. |
| 03:10.45 | jhojho | k |
| 03:10.47 | jhojho | let me know |
| 03:11.06 | ka6sox | for now you have the source that you can mod from git. |
| 03:11.16 | ka6sox | check in your changes and I'll look too. |
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| 03:12.44 | ka6sox | we can add them to the service and then ask oil to implement buttons that we push to perform the cleanup. |
| 03:13.01 | ka6sox | (I'd separate out different things to clean) |
| 03:13.17 | jhojho | never messed with a service before. |
| 03:13.23 | jhojho | but i'll take a stab at it |
| 03:14.04 | ka6sox | okay I suggest you read the files in application:govnah for inspiration (in the src directory) |
| 03:14.31 | ka6sox | iirc its luna_methods.c that we change. |
| 03:14.34 | jhojho | feel free to cleanup or throw hate |
| 03:14.44 | oil | has a framework in there |
| 03:14.47 | jhojho | that's what I figured. |
| 03:14.47 | ka6sox | jhojho, won't do that... |
| 03:14.54 | ka6sox | okay dinner bbiaf |
| 03:15.09 | jhojho | have to yelp first for dinner options. gf throwing hate |
| 03:15.13 | jhojho | bbl =) |
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| 03:27.59 | ka6sox | jhojho, culs! |
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| 03:29.48 | dan | how do check your feeds? |
| 03:30.19 | ka6sox | now thats close to a record...all in the same minute |
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| 04:18.41 | jhojho | ka6sox: ? |
| 04:20.20 | ka6sox | jhojho, ? |
| 04:20.32 | ka6sox | oh...C U laters! |
| 04:20.39 | jhojho | lol |
| 04:22.27 | ka6sox | btw I really like your ideas about how to use SysHealth to keep the Pre/Pixi cleaned up. |
| 04:23.12 | ka6sox | I'll add the df -h output to the method so that we can display the before and after of cleaning. |
| 04:27.55 | jhojho | okay. |
| 04:28.06 | jhojho | I'm taking a first pass at adding a method |
| 04:28.26 | jhojho | wonder if we should break it out into a shell script. |
| 04:34.45 | ka6sox | well..a shell script is easier to look at |
| 04:34.58 | ka6sox | and we can independently upload it for testing. |
| 04:35.28 | jhojho | where should I put it? |
| 04:35.29 | ka6sox | and the method can call a shell script I think. |
| 04:35.31 | jhojho | under src? |
| 04:35.35 | ka6sox | ya |
| 04:35.47 | jhojho | k |
| 04:36.04 | ka6sox | anything that isn't the js stuff and is background should be in there. |
| 04:36.36 | ka6sox | we will have to add where to put the script in the makefile so the ipkg puts it in the correct place. |
| 04:37.21 | jhojho | yeah |
| 04:37.31 | jhojho | any ideas to what the path should be? |
| 04:37.47 | jhojho | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:38.30 | ka6sox | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:39.37 | ka6sox | thats within the normal path of a preware install. |
| 04:39.45 | jhojho | sounds good to me |
| 04:39.52 | jhojho | cept it doesnt exist |
| 04:40.02 | jhojho | right now |
| 04:40.18 | ka6sox | ? |
| 04:40.23 | jhojho | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:40.35 | jhojho | s/thought/though/ |
| 04:41.21 | ka6sox | hmmm..on my pre it does. |
| 04:41.27 | rwhitby | how about putting the scripts in /var/svc/org.webosinternals.syshealth, alongside saverestore |
| 04:41.44 | ka6sox | okay that sounds good. |
| 04:42.15 | ka6sox | except on my pre that doesnt' exist yet. |
| 04:42.20 | rwhitby | look at saverestore makefile for how to get them there from a scripts directory in git |
| 04:42.28 | rwhitby | and saverestore postinst |
| 04:42.30 | HattCzech | rwhitby: what is done to make a hybrid app run? (what does the autobuild do to compile the services?) |
| 04:43.06 | rwhitby | HattCzech: we don't have any hybrid apps in the autobuilder yet, just apps with mojo and C service in the same package |
| 04:43.26 | ka6sox | jhojho, okay I'm downloading that git repo to look. we can both figure it out. |
| 04:43.28 | rwhitby | (hybrid apps in webOS is a specific term for PDK plugins) |
| 04:43.46 | HattCzech | ahhh, my mistake |
| 04:44.03 | HattCzech | i meant apps with a service and and interface |
| 04:44.57 | jhojho | okay, changing the path to rwithby's suggestion |
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| 04:53.20 | rwhitby | HattCzech: look in preware/build.git to see how we package them |
| 04:55.33 | HattCzech | okay, thanks |
| 05:00.05 | ka6sox | jhojho, when you upload the scripts I'll play with them here as well. |
| 05:00.32 | jhojho | ok |
| 05:02.47 | ka6sox | oil, can you look @ a value before you call a method and then call the method then look @ the value after? |
| 05:09.39 | jhojho | okay |
| 05:09.42 | jhojho | just pushed |
| 05:09.44 | ka6sox | jhojho, that postinst looks prey straightforward. |
| 05:09.48 | ka6sox | jhojho, thanks |
| 05:11.06 | ka6sox | I'll have to see if the build.git tgz's the scripts. |
| 05:11.13 | ka6sox | or we have to tar them up first. |
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| 05:17.16 | ka6sox | is there a reason that services for applications that are closed are still running? |
| 05:17.38 | rwhitby | ka6sox: yep, they're listening to dbus for the next method call |
| 05:18.03 | ka6sox | oh, |
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| 05:19.03 | ka6sox | glad the services are small then. |
| 05:32.02 | jhojho | I wonder if we should just have a generic service to execute shell commands.. |
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| 05:33.58 | jhojho | does anyone know off the top of their head where search engines are being defined? i saw some reference on precentral that it was in some sqlite db |
| 05:34.34 | kmax12 | can anyone here answer a question about the preware feeds? |
| 05:35.03 | jhojho | want to create a patch so that google stops doing the crazy country redirect |
| 05:35.13 | ka6sox | kmax12, ask away...somebody usually can. |
| 05:38.59 | ka6sox | jhojho, I'd rather have the method call the script. easier to debug. |
| 05:40.00 | jhojho | ka6sox: what I mean is I think there's a service for preware to execute sh commands too right |
| 05:40.05 | jhojho | and for save and restore |
| 05:40.43 | jhojho | I would think that it would be nice to have a method call to a generic service |
| 05:41.02 | jhojho | but then there's the challenge of being a security hole |
| 05:41.06 | jhojho | oh well |
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| 05:43.41 | rwhitby | jhojho: the scripts that saverestore calls are not under the control of mojo - they are named by appid, and mojo can only decide which of the existing scripts to call |
| 05:43.57 | rwhitby | preware does not have a generic shell script execution capability |
| 05:44.12 | rwhitby | upstartmgr also allows any existing upstart script to be started or stopped |
| 05:45.02 | jhojho | k |
| 05:45.19 | rwhitby | specifically, none of the services allow mojo to create a new script, nor to alter the contents of an existing script. although I reckon govnah probably has a vector available via the sticky profiles |
| 05:45.28 | jhojho | so anyone have idea which sqlite db holds the search engine settings? or i'll have to start rooting around |
| 05:49.05 | ka6sox | jhojho, sorry I don't. |
| 05:53.59 | jhojho | oaky it is /var/luna/preferences/systemprefs.db |
| 05:56.39 | sk1tt1sh | ~utsl sk1tt1sh |
| 05:56.52 | sk1tt1sh | aww weak |
| 06:01.27 | jhojho | oh nice |
| 06:01.33 | ka6sox | jhojho, I don't see any output from those scripts that we need to either pass back up the chain to mojo or just ignore and watch std_err for a completion. |
| 06:01.48 | jhojho | https://www.google.com/m/ncr/search works |
| 06:02.10 | jhojho | ka6sox: not really |
| 06:02.30 | jhojho | the only problem is not all *.db and *.db3 files are sqlite databases |
| 06:02.59 | jhojho | so sqlite will complain about it |
| 06:03.16 | ka6sox | as in complain and stop or just complain? |
| 06:04.01 | jhojho | just complain |
| 06:04.16 | jhojho | oh that's a bummer. https://www.google.com/m/ncr/search is not all ssl |
| 06:08.02 | jhojho | okay. |
| 06:08.17 | jhojho | any ideas on how we can modify a sqlite db as part of a patch? |
| 06:08.34 | jhojho | well an entry |
| 06:08.56 | ka6sox | can you do a table insert from just calling sql? |
| 06:09.19 | ka6sox | or a modify? |
| 06:09.20 | jhojho | well a patch so far is a diff no? |
| 06:09.45 | jhojho | or does it have a pre and postinst? |
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| 06:10.45 | ka6sox | I haven't done patches so I don't know |
| 06:14.40 | jhojho | I hate the fact that google voice only lets you select one page at a time |
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| 06:34.50 | jhojho | I want to delete all my voicemails at once |
| 06:44.49 | ka6sox | jhojho, usually google has a all, option somewhere. |
| 06:45.11 | jhojho | yeah it only covers the current page. |
| 06:45.17 | jhojho | major wth |
| 06:45.39 | jhojho | *and* deleting only moves it to the trash folder |
| 06:45.56 | jhojho | and it will not be deleted (no delete after 30 days like gmail) |
| 06:46.15 | jhojho | you have to select things again and then click "delete forever" |
| 06:55.23 | ka6sox | its kind of like Fer Sure, Fer Sure. |
| 07:00.11 | jhojho | very annoying. I want it to be the Unix wy |
| 07:00.12 | jhojho | way |
| 07:00.20 | jhojho | delete when I say delete |
| 07:01.58 | rwhitby | doctors experia.pre for the 10th time today |
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| 07:06.40 | Robi_ | hah ShannonElizabeth just broke her Pre |
| 07:10.07 | jhojho | http://www.pcworld.com/article/195390/google_voice_skype_get_unified_caller_id.html |
| 07:10.14 | jhojho | just set this up. |
| 07:10.42 | jhojho | now i wish i knew someone that could get me a gizmo5 account |
| 07:11.09 | rwhitby | I used to have one of those |
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| 07:11.33 | rwhitby | I have a google voice account, but can't use it (outside of US) |
| 07:13.00 | Robi_ | i have a gizmo acct but its not very useful atm |
| 07:13.24 | Robi_ | you can set up a free incoming SIP service and have it work with GV |
| 07:15.18 | Robi_ | that way u can make free calls to the us at least |
| 07:15.28 | Robi_ | even if you're not |
| 07:20.42 | tmzt | rwhitby: used to? |
| 07:21.04 | tmzt | what he said, you can call us with a sipphone account even if your not there |
| 07:21.14 | tmzt | but you have to have a us number to activate gv |
| 07:21.58 | rwhitby | and you have to be in the US to actually access the web site - it's geofiltered |
| 07:22.09 | rwhitby | oh look, I still do have a gizmo account |
| 07:23.18 | Robi_ | can be proxied |
| 07:25.53 | rwhitby | ah, nice. the new AUTO_INSTALL_PREWARE feature of MetaDoctor, combined with INSTALL_WIFI_PROFILES, means that Preware is already installed before the UI is fully started :) |
| 07:26.34 | rwhitby | and a new 2GB ext3 partition automatically mounted on /media/ext3fs :) |
| 07:28.23 | rwhitby | ka6sox: MetaDoctor is ready |
| 07:29.07 | ka6sox | rwhitby, thanks..pulling |
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| 07:58.37 | jhojho | yeah I wanted a gizmo account so that I can have GV dial Skype as one of my numbers |
| 07:59.45 | jhojho | rwhitby: does your gizmo account have invites? |
| 08:09.43 | rwhitby | jhojho: no |
| 08:09.50 | rwhitby | "New user signup has been suspended and will return when we re-launch." |
| 08:10.04 | jhojho | bummer |
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| 08:34.15 | ka6sox | rwhitby, it didn't blow up with both /var and /ext3fs enabled. |
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| 11:10.32 | *** topic/#webos-internals is Discussion about webOS internals (not webOS SDK usage - #webos for that, or wIRC - #wirc for that). Honor all licenses, carrier agreements and copyrights when speaking here. Twitter: @webosinternals Logs: http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/ Wiki: http://www.webos-internals.org/ Pastebin: http://webos.pastebin.com/ Preware: http://install.preware.org/ Patches: http://patches.webos-internals.org/ |
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| 11:10.50 | ka6sox | welcome back infobot |
| 11:11.05 | ka6sox | ~wb |
| 11:11.06 | infobot | It's great to be back! |
| 11:11.17 | swisstomcat | did you have a nice vacation? |
| 11:11.21 | rwhitby | hmm - timezone didn't stick |
| 11:14.08 | ka6sox | mmmm...2GB of /media/ext3fs to play with. |
| 11:15.06 | ka6sox | rwhitby, who was the Debian guy who did the installer? |
| 11:15.21 | ka6sox | I need to find that script and mod it. |
| 11:15.35 | ka6sox | it wasn't joeyh...it was tbm |
| 11:17.38 | rwhitby | ok, looks like it's /var/luna/preferences/systemprefs.db that I need to fool |
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| 11:32.28 | ka6sox | rwhitby, same thing |
| 11:32.46 | ka6sox | didn't restore the apps list to saved packages list |
| 11:33.54 | rwhitby | ka6sox: are you following any instructions, e.g. http://bit.ly/holy-grail-of-homebrew? |
| 11:34.11 | rwhitby | you need to start preware once first, then restore, then open preware again |
| 11:34.25 | ka6sox | ya, I'm doing that now |
| 11:34.51 | ka6sox | that was the page I couldnt' remember |
| 11:39.44 | ka6sox | okay it picked up the wifi config and immediately installed preware that time. |
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| 11:44.27 | Eike | hi! |
| 11:44.45 | Eike | i need help with installing preware... is anybody here, who can help me? |
| 11:44.56 | swisstomcat | hi |
| 11:45.02 | Eike | hey... |
| 11:45.04 | swisstomcat | we don't know anything about preware |
| 11:45.12 | swisstomcat | ;) |
| 11:45.16 | Eike | pretty funny ;) |
| 11:45.18 | ka6sox | ha ha ha |
| 11:45.39 | Eike | so, can you help me, please? |
| 11:45.43 | swisstomcat | go ahead |
| 11:45.51 | Eike | alright |
| 11:45.53 | rwhitby | Eike: which step of http://install.preware.org/ are you up to? |
| 11:46.20 | Eike | i have opened the quickinstaller |
| 11:46.28 | Eike | downloaded the preware |
| 11:46.35 | rwhitby | do you have the correct version of wosqi? |
| 11:46.53 | rwhitby | and what version of webOS are you running |
| 11:46.54 | Eike | 3.14 |
| 11:47.04 | rwhitby | 3.14 is correct for wosqi |
| 11:47.16 | rwhitby | webOS version? |
| 11:47.25 | Eike | wos version is 1.4.1 |
| 11:47.34 | rwhitby | ok, go ahead |
| 11:47.38 | Eike | alright |
| 11:47.46 | Eike | i have downloaded preware |
| 11:47.54 | Eike | my pre is put in dev-mode |
| 11:47.55 | Eike | but |
| 11:48.17 | Eike | wosqi does not get my pre as a device |
| 11:48.32 | rwhitby | what host computer OS are you running? |
| 11:49.09 | Eike | sorry... dont understand :D |
| 11:49.22 | rwhitby | windows, linux, mac? which version? |
| 11:49.23 | swisstomcat | what operating system do you have on your computer? |
| 11:49.27 | Eike | ah |
| 11:49.31 | Eike | windows 7 |
| 11:49.38 | rwhitby | have you ever been able to connect to a Pre with that computer in any way before? |
| 11:49.49 | Eike | well, as usb-device, yeah |
| 11:50.07 | rwhitby | with wosqi or the webos doctor or novacom? |
| 11:50.17 | Eike | none of them |
| 11:50.23 | Eike | simply with the explorer |
| 11:50.44 | rwhitby | ok, have you searched on precentral forums for wosqi and windows 7 ? |
| 11:50.54 | Eike | this is my first try to get deeper into the pre-thing |
| 11:50.59 | rwhitby | (it's a known problematic combination) |
| 11:51.06 | Eike | i will do that, ok |
| 11:51.33 | rwhitby | also, search on developer.palm.com for instructions on getting the SDK to work on windows 7 - it's likely to be the same answer |
| 11:51.34 | swisstomcat | one thing you could try is: go to options in webosquickinstall |
| 11:51.44 | swisstomcat | attempt novacom (re)installation |
| 11:51.47 | swisstomcat | before you search |
| 11:51.55 | rwhitby | yeah, do that first |
| 11:52.27 | Eike | one question: when i connect my pre with the computer, my pre asks how it should be treated: usb-device or only loading... what shall i choose |
| 11:52.46 | grndslm | just charge |
| 11:52.47 | rwhitby | charge only |
| 11:52.51 | Eike | yeah |
| 11:53.00 | rwhitby | Eike: is that specified anywhere on install.preware.org ? |
| 11:53.03 | Eike | i thought so, but it could have been... |
| 11:53.24 | Eike | no its not |
| 11:53.38 | swisstomcat | usb-device means that the pre will appear as a drive to your computer so you can transfer data from/to it |
| 11:53.40 | rwhitby | ok, I will add it |
| 11:53.47 | Eike | yeah, i know... |
| 11:54.16 | Eike | but you see, its my first time dealing with the pre system and so... well... i'm a rookie ;) |
| 11:54.26 | swisstomcat | no problem |
| 11:54.33 | swisstomcat | everyone was a rookie one |
| 11:54.38 | swisstomcat | once |
| 11:54.57 | rwhitby | Eike: ok, I've updated install.preware.org - can you check to make sure my addition makes sense to you? |
| 11:55.46 | Eike | cant see it, yet |
| 11:56.03 | rwhitby | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Preware#Installing_Preware_with_WebOS_Quick_Install - you may need to shift-reload |
| 11:56.21 | swisstomcat | 3) Connect your device to your computer with the USB cable, and select "Just Charge" (do not select USB Drive) |
| 11:56.52 | Eike | alright, now its there |
| 11:56.53 | Eike | fine |
| 11:57.10 | Eike | i looked at preware.org/install |
| 11:58.02 | rwhitby | yeah, we should just make that point to install.preware.org |
| 12:00.15 | Eike | now its working! |
| 12:00.32 | ka6sox | does save/restore save profiles for govnah? |
| 12:00.36 | grndslm | install.preware.org looks very nice :) |
| 12:00.39 | Eike | thank you VERY much, guys! |
| 12:01.32 | rwhitby | ka6sox: it does not, but you could make it :) |
| 12:01.58 | ka6sox | okay, sounds good. |
| 12:03.22 | Eike | you really helped me getting along... |
| 12:03.31 | Eike | a good sunday afternoon to all of you |
| 12:03.53 | Eike | and keep fingers crossed for the german team tonight! ;) |
| 12:03.59 | rwhitby | egaudet: pixi webOS 1.4.3 has framework 345 instead of 338 |
| 12:04.49 | rwhitby | Eike: heh, you realise an Australian runs this channel .... |
| 12:04.59 | Eike | hehe, i did |
| 12:04.59 | swisstomcat | eike: if you find german translation errors, let me know :) |
| 12:05.04 | Eike | alright, i will! |
| 12:06.10 | Eike | see ya! bye! |
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| 12:15.33 | nt4cats | rwhitby: (non webOS curiosity) Most Americans are not terribly interested in the world cup. Most Europeans are crazy for it. Of course there are exceptions in both places. What broad generalization would you make regarding Australian interest in the world cup? |
| 12:16.50 | nt4cats | (and I'll narrow the scope of those statements to "sports fans in [continent here]") |
| 12:16.51 | rwhitby | very interested but not generally crazy |
| 12:21.58 | swisstomcat | anyone want cake? it's my birthday today |
| 12:22.33 | ka6sox | swisstomcat, if it takes the same amount of time as that pixi did to get here it will be stale :D |
| 12:22.52 | nt4cats | Happy birthday, swissy. Both my Son and I are June birthdays, too. |
| 12:23.05 | ka6sox | 6days |
| 12:23.07 | nt4cats | (but I don't eat anything with sugar in it, so no cake for me) |
| 12:23.52 | nt4cats | (and I just capitalized "Son" -- a practice usually reserved for Jesus, I think) |
| 12:23.55 | swisstomcat | heh |
| 12:24.15 | swisstomcat | my son's bday is on the 11th of june |
| 12:24.31 | ka6sox | mine's the 18th |
| 12:24.46 | swisstomcat | lot's of gemini |
| 12:24.48 | swisstomcat | lots |
| 12:25.26 | ka6sox | rwhitby, looks like quite a job to get the profiles as they must be stored in a .db somewhere...still haven't found that yet. |
| 12:25.49 | nt4cats | and the boy are the 28th and 27th (respectively) -- Cancers here |
| 12:25.59 | rwhitby | ka6sox: just use srf.app.databases and/or srf.app.cookies with save/restore and it will find them automatically |
| 12:26.39 | ka6sox | databases is missing in the current implementation |
| 12:26.48 | ka6sox | appinfo and cookies |
| 12:27.57 | rwhitby | ka6sox: pardon? |
| 12:28.11 | ka6sox | source `dirname $0`/srf.app.info |
| 12:28.11 | ka6sox | source `dirname $0`/srf.app.cookies |
| 12:28.25 | rwhitby | oh, there's a script for it? |
| 12:28.46 | rwhitby | so just add databases to it |
| 12:29.00 | ka6sox | done, committing and pushing |
| 12:30.12 | ka6sox | okay its pushed |
| 12:32.16 | ka6sox | should I tag it 0.8.4? |
| 12:32.51 | ka6sox | (next in line) |
| 12:33.41 | rwhitby | only if you've updated appinfo.json and app/assistants/startup-assistant.js and tested. |
| 12:34.25 | rwhitby | swisstomcat: happy birthday |
| 12:34.35 | swisstomcat | thx :) |
| 12:34.48 | rwhitby | was busy looking at compcache and uber and missed that exchange earlier :) |
| 12:45.03 | swisstomcat | i'll send you a virtual piece of cake anyway |
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| 15:25.52 | chester | Hi has anyone tried to compile widk on ubuntu lucid? |
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| 15:30.35 | zickzack | anyone there? |
| 15:33.33 | bpadalino | i thought ubuntu worked |
| 15:33.39 | bpadalino | what are you getting stuck on ? |
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| 15:41.14 | swisstomcat | i tried but it didn't work |
| 15:53.12 | zickzack | I get stuck at the 'make stage' step |
| 15:53.36 | zickzack | It appears that Xrender.h is missing |
| 15:54.20 | swisstomcat | oh |
| 15:54.28 | swisstomcat | you're talking about the widk .. sorry |
| 15:54.30 | swisstomcat | i thought pdk |
| 15:54.41 | swisstomcat | i only tried 8.04 server and it worked |
| 15:54.46 | swisstomcat | as a VM |
| 15:55.23 | zickzack | is there a way to get it running under 10.04? |
| 15:56.33 | swisstomcat | idk |
| 15:56.42 | swisstomcat | haven't tried yet |
| 15:58.00 | zsoc | zickzack: it's made to work under 10.04, are you following the wiki guide |
| 15:58.15 | zsoc | also, what are you planning on using it for? You may not need to make every package as the last command tries to do |
| 15:59.22 | zickzack | yes i followed every step on the wiki. I'm planning to get my Qt App running |
| 16:02.21 | keith | damn, had to get a replacement palm pre and now terminal is having redraw issues w/ screen+irssi |
| 16:03.41 | zickzack | how do I select which packages to build |
| 16:17.52 | swisstomcat | bbl |
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| 17:36.20 | bpadalino | good afternoon |
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| 17:37.50 | ka6sox | morning bpadalino |
| 17:37.57 | bpadalino | how are things ? |
| 17:39.56 | ka6sox | bpadalino, fixed up macports install that was b0rk3n |
| 17:40.07 | ka6sox | now installing git-core |
| 17:40.09 | bpadalino | very nice |
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| 17:40.31 | ka6sox | and getting ready to not have to ssh into my office machine. |
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| 17:41.21 | emmbea | hi all |
| 17:41.36 | ka6sox | mornin' |
| 17:41.36 | bpadalino | not being forced to ssh is a good thing |
| 17:42.14 | ka6sox | bpadalino means I won't have to drag 208MB Doctors across the net |
| 17:46.15 | bpadalino | :) |
| 17:46.47 | emmbea | i'm wondering if it is feasible to compile vlc media player for webos |
| 17:49.21 | ka6sox | emmbea, dunno |
| 17:50.03 | bpadalino | straight out of the box? i doubt it .. |
| 17:50.07 | ka6sox | ask dtzWill when you see him. |
| 17:50.49 | ka6sox | ffmpeg should work on armel. |
| 17:51.07 | keith | ffmpeg works on arm |
| 17:51.14 | keith | dont think the rest of the vlc port does tho |
| 17:51.32 | keith | i used mplayer on my zaurus |
| 17:51.35 | keith | back in the day |
| 17:51.39 | keith | http://wiki.videolan.org/ARM-XCompile#Cross_compile_VLC_for_ARM-based_platforms |
| 17:51.43 | keith | updated 2004! |
| 17:51.48 | ka6sox | w00t! |
| 17:52.15 | keith | doesnt look like many have done anything with mplayer since then, either |
| 17:52.16 | emmbea | yes, i saw the optware version was compiled for devices without video output |
| 17:52.25 | emmbea | i mean with sdl disabled |
| 17:52.42 | keith | it seems like it'd make more sense to get totem or something that uses gstreamer working |
| 17:52.51 | keith | and then get ffmpeg gstreamer plugins working? |
| 17:52.53 | keith | so its more native? |
| 17:53.05 | keith | http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/modules/gst-ffmpeg.html |
| 17:54.00 | keith | hell, if someone got gstreamer-ffmpeg going, the native video player might work? |
| 17:55.47 | zsoc | keith: as of 1.4, webOS uses gst-ffmpeg |
| 17:55.59 | zsoc | ffmpeg also works fine by itself |
| 17:56.03 | zsoc | even statically compiled |
| 17:56.05 | zsoc | trust me, i've done all of it |
| 17:56.46 | zsoc | i actually do audio and video file conversion pretty regularly on my device via ffmpeg command line |
| 17:56.59 | zsoc | the major issues are basically getting video sinks working properly |
| 17:57.13 | zsoc | option 1.) is gst-ffmpeg and sdlvideosink |
| 17:57.27 | zsoc | downside being gst-ffmpeg is generally an older version of ffmpeg and libavcodec |
| 17:57.37 | zsoc | option 2.) is a native sdl app that uses ffmpeg front end as a video player |
| 17:58.03 | zsoc | which would work fine, but almost all of my media coding experience is gstreamer, so i'm unfamiliar. and ffmpeg docs are literally nonexistant besides the doxygen |
| 17:58.11 | zsoc | is talking to himself again |
| 17:58.27 | ka6sox | not quite.. |
| 17:59.09 | emmbea | my thought was vlc because it was listed among the sdl projects at libsdl.org |
| 17:59.55 | zsoc | emmbea: it's something i haven't looked far into. if vlc has sdl support, or can be hacked to have it reasonably, there's no reason the whole thing couldn't be statically compiled and shipped, even as a PDK project in the app cat |
| 17:59.58 | zsoc | hell, i'll race you |
| 18:00.00 | zsoc | :> |
| 18:00.56 | zsoc | but you'll win, because i'll be playing dwarf fortress rather than coding for the next few weeks, at a minimum |
| 18:01.49 | emmbea | don't bet on me -- lacking the expertise :) |
| 18:06.52 | zsoc | emmbea: crap, if I start looking into this and it's feasable, you've ruined my life for at least the next 3 weeks getting this working |
| 18:07.14 | zsoc | if it's full sdl support, including menus and file pickers, than i'll definitely be quitting my job sooner than i expected |
| 18:07.40 | emmbea | i'll give it a few nights |
| 18:07.48 | emmbea | see where it goes |
| 18:09.50 | zsoc | emmbea: it looks like it's just a/v out support. ie: someone would still need to develop a front end, but what exists now would do the magic of displaying synced audio/video using vlc+backend |
| 18:10.22 | zsoc | and developing interfaces in SDL makes me want to remove my prostate with a toothpick |
| 18:13.29 | emmbea | naive me thought the front-end could be a regular webos app |
| 18:14.26 | zsoc | emmbea: that would be pretty painful, for a number of reasons. It's possible using multiple stages |
| 18:14.40 | zsoc | emmbea: but currently the PDK doesn't support a hybrid app that uses both widgets and sdl display/overlay |
| 18:14.55 | zsoc | although it's possible in the future it will be allowed, once hybrid app apis are finalized |
| 18:15.31 | zsoc | Actually that's a good point, in theory one could do all the options and file picking in the mojo side of a hybrid app, and launch sdl stages through the plugin.. somehow... i mean the infrastructure is there already |
| 18:16.29 | bpadalino | the hybrid stuff makes SDL a simple one way display thing, and handling all UI stuff on the mojo side .. kinda nice actually |
| 18:17.23 | zsoc | bpadalino: the idea being kind of nice, or you can think of a way to do it? |
| 18:17.34 | zsoc | Actually, there's nothing that says a hybrid app can't have more than 1 plugin. |
| 18:17.41 | bpadalino | correct |
| 18:18.13 | zsoc | First plugin being basically just ffmpeg as a command line, and the second plugin is the one you launch as stage 2 for video playback |
| 18:18.48 | egaudet | why the need for 2 |
| 18:18.51 | bpadalino | you can push a scene with commandline parameters after selecting something |
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| 19:10.42 | sethron | good day. anyone know how an album named 'icons' with browser bookmark images would show in Photos? |
| 19:11.33 | zsoc | sethron: there's probably a folder called 'icons' in your /media/internal |
| 19:11.46 | zsoc | you could try changing it to .icons, but not sure how that would affect whatever software is using it |
| 19:11.59 | sethron | zsoc: correct. not sure how it got there |
| 19:12.19 | zsoc | sethron: some app probably installed it / uses that folder for stuff |
| 19:12.25 | zsoc | poor programming habits imo |
| 19:12.59 | sethron | hrm would it have anything do to with my Debian image? |
| 19:14.57 | sethron | ah. i think i've found it. saverestore\com.palm.app.launcher\20100612T204351-0700\icons |
| 19:15.34 | sethron | must be my launcher bookmark prefs that saverestore ... saved. |
| 19:18.24 | zsoc | looks that way :) you can just change the name of the folder from /icons to /.icons |
| 19:18.31 | zsoc | that should fix it showing up in photos |
| 19:18.39 | zsoc | er, after you restart the file indexer prolly |
| 19:19.48 | sethron | zsoc: is restarting the file index what 'recsan' does in Luna Manager? |
| 19:20.27 | zsoc | sethron: no |
| 19:20.56 | zsoc | sethron: 'stop fileindexer; start fileindexer' from command line, otherwise just restart |
| 19:21.22 | sethron | zsoc: ah, so, um, what does recan do in Luna Manager? |
| 19:21.29 | sethron | s/rescan |
| 19:21.32 | zsoc | sethron: breaks everything |
| 19:21.36 | sethron | lol |
| 19:21.38 | zsoc | sethron: it's actually a rescan for the launcher menu |
| 19:21.48 | zsoc | like if you install a new app, the rescan makes the app 'appear' in the launcher |
| 19:22.21 | sethron | zsoc: that seems anitquated now... |
| 19:23.41 | zsoc | it basically is |
| 19:25.36 | sethron | zsoc: tyvm |
| 19:27.10 | sethron | goes back to futzing with Debian on the Pre |
| 19:28.07 | torchie | prebian |
| 19:28.32 | ka6sox | sethron, what are you doing with it/ |
| 19:28.35 | ka6sox | ? |
| 19:29.06 | sethron | ka6sox: ideally would like to get stellarium runnig |
| 19:29.19 | ka6sox | oh right...I remember that |
| 19:29.23 | ka6sox | what have you done so far? |
| 19:30.50 | ka6sox | do you have a tarball or have debootstrap working on a pre? |
| 19:31.34 | sethron | ka6sox: made a 1.5 GB Debiam image, mounted, chroot, apt-get update, apt-get install icewm, apt-get install lxde, apt-get install stellarium |
| 19:31.55 | zsoc | what is stellarium? |
| 19:32.04 | zsoc | ~google stellarium |
| 19:32.05 | ka6sox | hmmm....too big an image to download as a starting place. |
| 19:32.12 | sethron | ka6sox: can reproduce the original error that phil made awhile back: "Widget::setMinimumSize: (/QMessageBox) Negative sizes (-160,90) are not possible" when i attempt to run stellarium |
| 19:32.16 | ka6sox | its a Planetarium |
| 19:32.24 | ka6sox | program |
| 19:32.28 | zsoc | Planetarium or Plantanarium? |
| 19:32.32 | zsoc | Because the later is more fun ;) |
| 19:32.35 | ka6sox | planetarium |
| 19:32.38 | sethron | ka6sox: indeed, mac, win32, linux, and it seems arm devices, too |
| 19:33.34 | ka6sox | sethron, you can now create a 2GB /media/ext3fs partion on a pre. |
| 19:34.03 | sethron | ka6sox: orly? wiki link? |
| 19:34.21 | ka6sox | I'm looking into either porting debootstrap/cdebootstrap or making a small (255MB) .tgz that I can use as a seed. |
| 19:34.38 | ka6sox | sethron, meta-doctor latest release. |
| 19:34.44 | sethron | ka6sox: fascinating |
| 19:35.38 | ka6sox | sethron, I think I may just create a .tgz of a minimal Lenny from my beagleboard. |
| 19:35.46 | sethron | ka6sox: still have not doctored, or replaced my kernal. just stock Sprint Pre |
| 19:35.59 | ka6sox | okay |
| 19:37.23 | ka6sox | its not as elegant as getting debootstrap working but a whole lot less deps. |
| 19:38.52 | sethron | ka6sox: i'm just using 3 srcipts, 1st to mount, 2nd to chroot, then after i exit, another to umount. sometimes umount is not clean, but a restart kicks it. |
| 19:39.32 | ka6sox | where are you mounting the chroot? |
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| 19:42.42 | sethron | ka6sox: /var/home/root | from wiki page http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Debian |
| 19:44.49 | sethron | ka6sox: i guess the answer is, mount -o loop /media/internal/debsmall.img /media/cf |
| 19:45.39 | ka6sox | sethron, is that a lenny image? |
| 19:46.34 | sethron | ka6sox: http://www.public.iastate.edu/%7Emdklein/debsmall.img.bz2 not really sure. apt-get thinks so |
| 19:46.56 | sk1tt1sh | is this a good test: if [ "`md5sum $OLDJAR | cut -c1-32`" != "$MYJAR_md5sum"]; |
| 19:47.45 | ka6sox | sethron, okay then I can see how to use this. |
| 19:48.12 | ka6sox | but I'll have to write a pre-inst that verifies that the /dev/store/ext3fs partiton is there first. |
| 19:48.40 | sethron | ka6sox: holy dual boot?!?!? |
| 19:49.01 | ka6sox | sethron, nope...just a chroot space. |
| 19:49.04 | ka6sox | 2GB |
| 19:49.41 | sethron | ka6sox: nice. is there a wiki page yet? |
| 19:50.13 | ka6sox | sethron, rwhitby just got the new partitioning scheme in meta-doctor last night. |
| 19:50.41 | ka6sox | now I'll look @ making a preware package that installs debian in that partition. |
| 19:51.00 | sethron | ka6sox: wow, webos-internals crew is boundless :) |
| 19:51.42 | ka6sox | I hope that several other chroots will be available for people to use. |
| 19:52.36 | ka6sox | okay I know where to start. |
| 19:52.51 | sethron | ka6sox: that would be fan frakin tastic !!, maybe some distro will be able to run stellarium |
| 19:53.28 | ka6sox | 88MB is small enough to download during an install. |
| 19:53.53 | ka6sox | and the tools necessary to bunzip it and mount it are there on the pre. |
| 19:55.07 | sethron | ka6sox: somewhere in the forums ther is an advsory not to resize images in the Pre ... |
| 19:55.44 | ka6sox | then move it over, bind mount proc,sys,dev, copy over networking info and off we go. |
| 19:56.40 | ka6sox | sethron, I'm not going to...going to rsync it from one partition to another without copying /proc,/sys or /dev |
| 20:00.10 | ka6sox | okay I'll manually do this and then write it up. |
| 20:00.42 | sethron | ka6sox: mad skillz. tyvm |
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| 20:04.20 | sethron | switches the vibrate slider with the power button held down a few times :) |
| 20:04.21 | ka6sox | sethron, we did things like this about 5yrs ago on a nslu2 |
| 20:04.48 | ka6sox | this is a bit more complicated. |
| 20:05.10 | ka6sox | bbiab...heading out |
| 20:05.45 | sethron | ka6sox: i'm a slug, too. a UCSC graduate. :) |
| 20:08.03 | ka6sox | go Banana Slugs! |
| 20:08.55 | zsoc | ba.. na.. na? |
| 20:10.17 | ka6sox | ya, slimey yellow slugs. |
| 20:10.48 | ka6sox | zsoc, nslu2-linux.org's first native builder was called banana |
| 20:11.16 | zsoc | ka6sox: nice |
| 20:11.16 | ka6sox | it built things like perl (which as a testsuite) |
| 20:11.34 | ka6sox | s/as/has |
| 20:13.47 | ka6sox | ciao |
| 20:14.23 | sethron | bee ay en ay en ey es |
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| 20:41.51 | jhowirc | so. wasn't there a way to make a bookmark a launch icon? |
| 20:49.38 | jhowirc | nevermind. I think I figured it out |
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| 21:56.07 | Abyssul | where are feeds stored by Preware on the Pre? |
| 21:58.52 | zsoc | where are they physically located? |
| 21:58.54 | zsoc | or virtually? |
| 21:59.02 | zsoc | or where are their configurations set on your device? |
| 21:59.16 | Abyssul | on the device |
| 21:59.40 | Abyssul | I wanted to check the integrity of the precentral-theme package on the Pre that Preware downloaded |
| 22:00.02 | zsoc | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:00.04 | Abyssul | thanks |
| 22:00.06 | zsoc | i _think_ |
| 22:00.14 | zsoc | if not that it's very close |
| 22:00.17 | Abyssul | yep |
| 22:00.20 | Abyssul | thats it |
| 22:00.26 | zsoc | cool |
| 22:00.53 | Abyssul | hmm, thats the conf. Is there an actualy package somewhere? |
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| 22:01.53 | Abyssul | found it |
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| 23:25.59 | DrewPre | hey all, anyone here care to help me out with creating a C service. I have the code [I think] Just not clear on how to compile....missing glib.h,json.h, et al |
| 23:27.20 | DrewPre | I guess I need help in setting up the compilation environment. I have the PDK installed |
| 23:27.35 | DrewPre | I also have the lunaservice headers |
| 23:28.25 | DrewPre | running XP here and when I used the buildit.cmd batch file in the PDK it complains about glib.h and json.h files missing |
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| 23:30.24 | DrewPre | anyone? |
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| 23:34.06 | zsoc | DrewPre: the problem i'd imagine is your host os |
| 23:34.31 | zsoc | so one in -internals is going to be developing in windows, therefore no one can suggest ideas. |
| 23:34.34 | zsoc | s/so/no/ |
| 23:35.24 | zsoc | DrewPre: i'd /imagine/ without knowing how buildit.cmd works, that your problem is in YOUR makefile and not the pdk stuff |
| 23:42.51 | DrewPre | Buildit.cmd runs 'arm-none-linux-gnueabi-gcc' which I assume is a win32 cross compiler....it successfully compiles other visual C++ code. So I assumed if I include the appropriate header files it will compile the service I have built....but apparently I am missing something |
| 23:45.29 | DrewPre | and I am not against developing in Ubuntu for example. I have a VM with it, I just don't know what I am doing there either. I am flexible if some one has the patience to instruct me. |
| 23:46.18 | DrewPre | My ubuntu environment is setup according to the walkthrough at webos-internals.org |
| 23:51.16 | DrewPre | zsoc, you still there? |
| 23:52.21 | zsoc | a bit preoccupied |
| 23:52.58 | zsoc | i don't know how to set up a makefile in windows, path wise |
| 23:59.46 | DrewPre | I have an Ubuntu VM. |