| 00:00.52 | rwhitby | sk1tt1sh: what google search terms have you used so far? |
| 00:01.13 | rwhitby | mrvc: can we merge terminal and termplugin before pushing this new version out? |
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| 00:01.44 | rwhitby | mrvc: we just need a termplugin Makefile that looks like the one in applications/preware.git/src/Makefile or saverestore or govnah |
| 00:02.08 | rwhitby | mrvc: looks like the bounty is shared 4 ways now - $25 each. |
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| 00:19.15 | sethron | RamsesFSFE: start debian in it and start a WM | is there a link for that? |
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| 00:27.54 | sethron | dtzWill: i have yet to run debian on my pre. but i think i'm ready to chroot. |
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| 00:46.00 | sk1tt1sh | alright im having a hard time figuring it out. I've read palms 'create an app' guide but it doesn't really tell me what I need. Basically want to make an IPK that just copies files into a couple locations and isn't listed in 'usr/palm/applications' |
| 00:47.16 | sk1tt1sh | does anyone know of a generic guide to doing this? |
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| 00:56.10 | datafirm | hello |
| 00:56.29 | datafirm | Is there another feed to gain access to UberKernel alpha ports for other version of webOS? |
| 01:01.35 | sk1tt1sh | FOR INSTANCE IF I WERE TRYING TO COPY A SCRIPT 'BOB.SH' TO /USR/BIN WITH AN IPK, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S NO NEED FOR A COM.BLAHBLAH.APP IN USR/PALM/APPS HOW WOULD I DO THAT |
| 01:01.38 | sk1tt1sh | OOPS |
| 01:01.40 | sk1tt1sh | sorry |
| 01:01.45 | sk1tt1sh | not yelling |
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| 01:05.21 | sk1tt1sh | nvm |
| 01:05.23 | sk1tt1sh | hahahaha |
| 01:05.38 | sk1tt1sh | bonks himself, yelling "google more dumdum!" |
| 01:08.43 | rwhitby | sk1tt1sh: what is it that you're trying to package up and copy in? |
| 01:09.49 | sk1tt1sh | so i figured out an easier way to copy all my files for my jar |
| 01:09.59 | sk1tt1sh | rather than modify the webosdoc.jar everytime |
| 01:10.49 | sk1tt1sh | make an ipk and just modify that as neeeded. I have some scripts that i need to put in /usr/bin some files to put into /usr/share/sk1tt1sh and a startup script (etc/event.d |
| 01:10.50 | sk1tt1sh | ) |
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| 01:29.27 | sk1tt1sh | rwitbyL i grabbed http://www.bitsum.com/firmware_mod_kit.htm and im using the ipkg maker thing from taht |
| 01:30.57 | sk1tt1sh | http://www.bitsum.com/creating_ipk_packages.htm is the guide for it |
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| 01:45.35 | rwhitby | sk1tt1sh: what is it that you're trying to package up and copy in? |
| 01:46.15 | rwhitby | http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=preware/build.git;a=tree;f=toolchain/ipkg-utils is what we use on the autobuilder. |
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| 01:59.08 | projectAlarum | K I think I'm twitter stupid cause none of my tweets seem to be showing up for the contest... |
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| 02:04.25 | sk1tt1sh | is there a noobs-readthis file for ur ipkg utils? |
| 02:08.19 | sk1tt1sh | i think i found something that will work |
| 02:08.37 | sk1tt1sh | instructionwise i think |
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| 02:34.55 | sk1tt1sh | so i put those ipkg-utils in bin since i had no direction otherwise... ipkg-build returns command not found |
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| 02:37.13 | mrvc | destinal: so, it worked ok for you? |
| 02:37.30 | sk1tt1sh | no |
| 02:37.36 | sk1tt1sh | i just said it doesnt do anything |
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| 02:38.52 | sk1tt1sh | tag an SH infront.../bonk |
| 02:40.14 | sk1tt1sh | does this require md5sums for all files in it? |
| 02:42.06 | destinal | mrvc: I had to add -fno-stack-protector to make it build on my ubuntu VM for some reason (to avoid some strange stack symbol issue) but yeah it works great |
| 02:42.34 | mrvc | destinal: ok, cool |
| 02:42.52 | destinal | mrvc: It built out of makefile for me too -- I didn't have to do any odd linking workarounds like you were seeing |
| 02:43.06 | mrvc | well, I changed the makefile |
| 02:43.23 | destinal | ah, that makes sense then. :) |
| 02:44.26 | mrvc | destinal: rwhitby was talking about merging terminal and termplugin |
| 02:46.05 | destinal | mrvc: yeah, I think we just copy everything in termplugin directory to src under the application/terminal.git repository and apparently we need to fixup the makefile to build properly on the autobuilder (right now it's building the emulator build with the native amd64 gcc for instance) |
| 02:46.47 | mrvc | destinal: ok, so I don't know what the requirement are for the autobuilder |
| 02:47.04 | mrvc | destinal: I've been building the version for my pre on the pre itself |
| 02:47.58 | rwhitby | mrvc: autobuilder uses the i686 and armel toolchains that are downloaded by the preware/build.git makefile |
| 02:50.04 | mrvc | rwhitby: ok, looking into it |
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| 02:50.58 | rwhitby | mrvc: the makefile just needs to think of i686 as just another cross-compile toolchain, rather than using the native host gcc |
| 02:51.34 | rwhitby | mrvc: and have variables that just point to the toolchain to use, so that the autobuilder can override the variables for i686 and armv7 and armv6 |
| 02:52.09 | rwhitby | mrvc: feel free to default the variables to values that make it easiest for your development |
| 02:52.36 | destinal | mrvc: look at wirc.git and preware.git for examples of ones that are working in autobuilder today |
| 02:52.54 | mrvc | rwhitby: ok, I'm running make in preware/build right now |
| 02:53.23 | mrvc | rwhitby: looks like it is downloading the arm toolchain |
| 02:54.30 | sk1tt1sh | What is 166: Linux: unexpected operator indicate when building an ipk? |
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| 02:55.59 | rwhitby | sk1tt1sh: what is it that you're trying to package up and copy in? |
| 02:58.34 | sk1tt1sh | unbunt |
| 02:58.36 | sk1tt1sh | u |
| 02:58.43 | sk1tt1sh | ubuntu* |
| 02:59.55 | sk1tt1sh | 10.04 lucid lynx |
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| 03:03.23 | sk1tt1sh | oddly enough it seems to have built the ipk fine |
| 03:03.52 | VincentLaw | has anyone ever tried to "tether" using openssh as a proxy? |
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| 03:17.07 | datafirm | Is there another feed to gain access to UberKernel for other version of webOS? |
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| 03:31.39 | mrvc | rwhitby: I got an error making preware/build |
| 03:32.21 | mrvc | curl: (22) The requested URL returned error: 404 |
| 03:32.31 | mrvc | http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/optware/pre-emulator/cross/unstable/mjson_1.0-1_i686.ipk |
| 03:32.40 | mrvc | http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/optware/i686g25/cross/unstable/mjson_1.0-1_i686.ipk |
| 03:34.56 | ka6sox | mrvc, lemme look @ that... |
| 03:35.50 | ka6sox | aha...the rotator is sending you to a server that is offline..brb |
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| 03:40.05 | ka6sox | mrvc, ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/optware/pre/cross/unstable/mjson_1.0-1_arm.ipk |
| 03:40.15 | ka6sox | wait..jas |
| 03:40.31 | ka6sox | wrong one |
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| 03:44.58 | ka6sox | mrvc, it didn't get rsynced to the mirrors...let me push that out. |
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| 04:09.12 | ka6sox | mrvc you still here? |
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| 04:19.55 | ChapStick | im trying to reverse tether from Ubuntu to pixi any help |
| 04:20.04 | ChapStick | cant seem to get it |
| 04:20.34 | bpadalino | you want the pixi to tunnel through your laptop ? |
| 04:20.55 | ChapStick | yes |
| 04:21.09 | bpadalino | interesting .. i have no idea how to help you .. good luck tho :) |
| 04:21.23 | ka6sox | thats really an ubuntu question. |
| 04:21.42 | ChapStick | yea your right |
| 04:21.44 | ChapStick | thx thoe |
| 04:21.55 | ka6sox | np |
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| 04:37.06 | ka6sox | mrvc, you get what you needed? |
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| 05:29.08 | destinal | ChapStick: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Reverse_Tethering |
| 05:29.13 | destinal | oh, he's gone |
| 05:31.48 | destinal | amazing how many questions can be answered by just searching our wiki wiki :) (of course I actually wrote that one a while back, but still) |
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| 05:47.45 | dtzWill | destinal: yeah it is kinda impressive haha |
| 05:49.16 | destinal | dtzWill: still lots of people seem to ask before looking -- oh well. |
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| 06:17.02 | Gollyzila | So what has webos-internals been up to? What was the topic this weekend? |
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| 06:27.04 | dtzWill | ttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6XAPnuFjJc fun video, interesting concept |
| 06:27.13 | dtzWill | bah, http:// clearly |
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| 07:03.21 | Gollyzila | Yoppo: Well if you are, I'm about to post in the MS thread |
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| 10:16.28 | Marajin | bah |
| 10:16.32 | Marajin | screen broke, yay |
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| 13:48.29 | JesusMcCloud_ | aloha! is there a way to disable IM sounds an keep sms sound? |
| 13:52.06 | djk | I don't think so without a patch to it and I don't know of a patch |
| 13:53.24 | JesusMcCloud_ | didnt find a patch either |
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| 14:27.53 | dirs | hi... i'm trying to use libjpeg that palm link at http://opensource.palm.com/1.4.2/index.html in an PDK app but errors like this are in my way :/ |
| 14:27.53 | dirs | imagefunctions/imagefunctions.c: In function 'void my_dst_mgr_init(jpeg_compress_struct*)': |
| 14:27.54 | dirs | imagefunctions/imagefunctions.c:69: error: invalid conversion from 'void*' to 'my_dst_mgr*' |
| 14:27.54 | dirs | imagefunctions/imagefunctions.c:75: error: invalid conversion from 'void*' to 'JOCTET*' |
| 14:28.21 | PuffTheMagic | dirs: libjpeg has its own website and docs |
| 14:28.27 | PuffTheMagic | if uare having issues using it |
| 14:28.37 | dirs | is this lib okay? I don't know what that mean |
| 14:28.48 | PuffTheMagic | sure the lib is ok |
| 14:28.58 | dirs | PuffTheMagic: ah ok, but palm did have docs on using PDK? |
| 14:29.06 | PuffTheMagic | doubt it |
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| 14:29.13 | PuffTheMagic | they just provided the lib |
| 14:29.18 | PuffTheMagic | because the docs for it are opensource |
| 14:29.22 | PuffTheMagic | its a very common lib |
| 14:30.02 | PuffTheMagic | http://www.ijg.org/ |
| 14:30.04 | PuffTheMagic | grab the source |
| 14:30.10 | PuffTheMagic | the headers and docs should be in there |
| 14:35.46 | PuffTheMagic | dirs: how is it that you are going from void* to something else |
| 14:35.58 | PuffTheMagic | err |
| 14:36.12 | PuffTheMagic | what exactly are you doing thats wnats a void pointer? |
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| 14:38.49 | jtpre | my virtual keyboard won't download properly... Any tips? |
| 14:40.33 | dirs | sorry, PuffTheMagic i grab the code from http://github.com/magoroku15/upnp-extension/blob/b25bd178d2d64b8ec6ade3ef4a3649c9bda7154a/minidlna/image_utils.c |
| 14:40.33 | dirs | so I think that it are wrong? will try other code to resize the image.. |
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| 14:50.46 | PuffTheMagic | dirs: im not trying to be a dick here, but if you are new to opensource here is a pointer for you |
| 14:50.55 | PuffTheMagic | just about every opensource lib has an irc channel on freenode or OFTC |
| 14:51.12 | PuffTheMagic | and in those channels are experts on their lib |
| 14:51.25 | dirs | PuffTheMagic: you are just saying. thanks for the tip |
| 14:51.26 | PuffTheMagic | dirs: many of us can help with randon C issues |
| 14:51.35 | PuffTheMagic | and webos specific libs |
| 14:51.40 | PuffTheMagic | like the plugin and server stuff |
| 14:51.49 | PuffTheMagic | service stuff |
| 14:51.58 | PuffTheMagic | but like, i've never used libjpeg my self |
| 14:52.03 | PuffTheMagic | idk who here has |
| 14:52.18 | PuffTheMagic | dirs: but i do most of my learning though examples |
| 14:52.24 | PuffTheMagic | so you will get it sooner or later |
| 14:54.42 | swisstomcat | bbl |
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| 16:15.30 | MetaView | hi |
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| 16:55.16 | beelzabub | morning |
| 16:56.52 | ka6sox | morning beelzabub |
| 16:58.54 | beelzabub | brb |
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| 17:19.06 | beelzabub | btw - noticed the post on precentral about leaving wifi on vs off |
| 17:19.09 | beelzabub | leave it on |
| 17:24.42 | ka6sox | other than the obvious question about why? I'm a bit concerned about it trying to connect to every WiFi unit names Linksys that it passes. |
| 17:24.54 | beelzabub | it won't do that |
| 17:25.16 | beelzabub | unless you've associated it in the past with a Linksys hotspot i guess |
| 17:25.23 | ka6sox | then the wifi screen needs to be changed. |
| 17:25.27 | ka6sox | ya. thats the problem. |
| 17:25.52 | beelzabub | the reason as to why is that when on wifi the battery drain is a lot lower |
| 17:26.07 | beelzabub | because then we don't have data going over the modem |
| 17:26.16 | ka6sox | fair nuf. |
| 17:26.21 | beelzabub | also sleep mode itself is actually more efficient on wifi I believe |
| 17:26.51 | ka6sox | ya, I've noticed that with my Pixi |
| 17:27.05 | beelzabub | and when it's not connected to a hotspot, I do believe that there's not really any additional power overhead to keeping wifi on |
| 17:27.21 | beelzabub | & it saves you having to manually remember when you are in the presence of a hotspot |
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| 17:27.47 | ka6sox | Good tip... |
| 17:28.54 | ka6sox | with my frankenpre it doesn't matter too much as its always connected to the Power supply |
| 17:29.02 | beelzabub | lol |
| 17:29.26 | PalNewbie | Pardon if this question may have already been answered on webos-internals, but I couldn't find it on the website. Does anyone know where I can find an actual value associated with the radio signal strength onboard my Palm Pre? Sort of like how you can get the value of the light sensor? |
| 17:29.40 | ka6sox | I measure current draw on the Pre using various kernels and operating combinations. |
| 17:29.59 | PalNewbie | I want to be able to know when I've lost my radio signal |
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| 17:31.28 | ka6sox | its probably somewhere in the top bar code that drives the segments of the signal strength meter. |
| 17:32.27 | ka6sox | beelzabub, I had to fake the pre out into thinking that the battery is still there and supplying the current :D |
| 17:34.30 | ka6sox | PalNewbie, look at the patch for Carrier String and that is roughly the area where you might start looking |
| 17:34.45 | ka6sox | it interfaces with the top bar code. |
| 17:36.06 | PalNewbie | Great |
| 17:36.07 | PalNewbie | thanks |
| 17:36.14 | PalNewbie | I'll start snooping around there |
| 17:37.03 | ka6sox | I haven't come across that information in /sys yet so I can't tell you exactly where. |
| 17:46.48 | ka6sox | PalNewbie, it may come out of the Modem Module in which case its where the Dragon's Live. |
| 17:47.57 | PalNewbie | Pardon my ignorance, "Dragon's Live"? |
| 17:49.28 | ka6sox | its a Black Hole into which we have no light. |
| 17:49.55 | ka6sox | so we don't understand it. |
| 17:50.01 | PalNewbie | ok |
| 17:50.02 | PalNewbie | got it |
| 17:50.14 | ka6sox | I *know* that the Touchstone is detected by the Modem. |
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| 18:10.41 | Rick_work | yes, but the signal strength is available to javascript, because the code that puts the bars up is JS. |
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| 18:10.57 | chrisa | I did warn you that the puck involves a lot of modem code and that there were dragons there |
| 18:11.28 | ka6sox | chrisa, Yes, and I'm passing that on :D |
| 18:11.48 | Rick_work | touchstone in particular is under the control of the modem, although geist said that there are "fiddly" ways to figure it out without, because he needed to figure it out in boot at one point. |
| 18:12.35 | PalNewbie | Yeah, it looks that way in bar-assistant.js |
| 18:13.26 | scsiraider | Rick_work: geist talks to to he modem directly in bootie i beleive |
| 18:15.33 | ka6sox | chrisa, all I wanted to know was hot to tell in the kernel if the unit was on a TS or not...seems its only available in userland. |
| 18:16.48 | en0x | there was a discussion about this |
| 18:16.53 | en0x | few weeks back with beelzabub |
| 18:17.02 | beelzabub | ? |
| 18:17.08 | ka6sox | s/hot/how |
| 18:17.16 | en0x | afair |
| 18:17.23 | beelzabub | TS? |
| 18:17.26 | beelzabub | oh |
| 18:17.27 | beelzabub | touchstone |
| 18:17.30 | ka6sox | TouchStone |
| 18:17.33 | beelzabub | really? i don't remember it |
| 18:17.35 | mdklein | isn't it in the gadget module, how much mA is being received? it's been months since I looked at that though |
| 18:17.39 | PuffTheMagic | there is NO WAY to do it |
| 18:17.42 | PuffTheMagic | from the kernel |
| 18:17.43 | en0x | beelzabub, yap you were talking about this... with PuffTheMagic afair |
| 18:17.44 | beelzabub | that's my story & i'm sticking to it :) |
| 18:17.46 | PuffTheMagic | with out adding your own module |
| 18:17.49 | ka6sox | 2 different things |
| 18:17.52 | PuffTheMagic | which would then block the phone from working |
| 18:17.53 | chrisa | modem controls current in pre |
| 18:18.02 | chrisa | Only pixi has the kernelspace current control |
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| 18:18.23 | ka6sox | thats kinda the conclusion we came to |
| 18:18.40 | chrisa | I told you a month ago :) |
| 18:18.41 | ka6sox | but for our purposes I only needed to know that is *was* on the TS |
| 18:19.03 | ka6sox | yep, thats what I remember too. |
| 18:19.30 | en0x | oh i like the new display on iphone |
| 18:19.48 | PuffTheMagic | en0x: #apple might care ;) |
| 18:19.56 | en0x | retina display |
| 18:20.01 | en0x | for sure but i'm just sayin |
| 18:20.12 | PuffTheMagic | retina display? |
| 18:20.25 | HattCzech_work | just high res |
| 18:20.32 | HattCzech_work | 326 ppi |
| 18:20.33 | mdklein | 326ppi which he claims is more than your retinas can detect at 10-12" |
| 18:20.42 | mdklein | so he dubbed it, retina display |
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| 18:21.54 | HattCzech_work | i would like a screen that size on the next pre :) |
| 18:22.19 | en0x | 3.6"? |
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| 18:22.28 | ka6sox | BRICK |
| 18:22.28 | en0x | ain't too big a little? |
| 18:22.37 | beelzabub | ios owned by cisco again - i like it |
| 18:22.49 | en0x | http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/06/apple-wwdc-2010-070-rm-eng.jpg r0tfl |
| 18:23.12 | en0x | some guy had to spend 600bucks on a toy, so girl would ask him what is it |
| 18:23.16 | en0x | ;d |
| 18:23.17 | PuffTheMagic | lol |
| 18:23.44 | en0x | no lifer ;( |
| 18:25.47 | RMind|moof | anyone else having trouble updating feeds in preware? |
| 18:25.55 | ka6sox | yup |
| 18:26.15 | PalNewbie | ka6sox: Found it. Just as an FYI if anyone should need it, you can get the value from the luna-send command using palm://com.palm.telephony/signalStrengthQuery |
| 18:26.20 | ka6sox | currently OFFLINE due to RAID controller failure |
| 18:27.06 | RMind | ah... ouchy |
| 18:27.52 | idontwank2know | chrisa: you'll be happy to know that i've been informed that it's completely impossible for the centro to change battery settings in such a way that the battery becomes unsuitable for use in the pre because "there's only three electrical contacts" |
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| 18:28.27 | Rick_work | PalmNewbie -- when the wiki comes back up after the current hardware problem is resolve in a "little bit" would you mind going and DOCUMENTING that for me? |
| 18:28.52 | chrisa | idontwank2know: I don't see how these things are mutually exclusive |
| 18:29.04 | chrisa | The centro *can* change a setting on the battery which *can* conflict with a pre's usage of it |
| 18:31.34 | idontwank2know | But it's unpossible! Some dude on the internet doesn't believe it, so it won't be true until somebody draws him a diagram and conducts experiments in his presence! |
| 18:31.57 | chrisa | Maybe he should read up on the one wire protocol |
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| 18:45.12 | dssdfs32 | is the feed url down right now? |
| 18:45.43 | chrisa | idontwank2know: is this in a forum post somewhere? |
| 18:45.51 | dssdfs32 | what? |
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| 18:46.31 | ka6sox | dssdfs32, yes, we are aware of it and are working to fix it. |
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| 18:56.32 | luke-jr | where can I get libdbus-dev? :/ |
| 18:57.26 | en0x | from palm website? |
| 18:57.54 | chrisa | Any major distro will have those headers and libs, unless you mean any changes we made. In that case en0x is right |
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| 18:59.21 | zff | is preware.org/feeds down? |
| 19:00.01 | ka6sox | arrgh...no ML to send this out on...can somebody tweet this for me? |
| 19:00.22 | halfhalo_class | tweet what? |
| 19:00.32 | luke-jr | chrisa: I mean a .ipk |
| 19:00.34 | ka6sox | zff, yes, we have had a RAID controller failure and I'm working on it...no ETR. |
| 19:00.44 | chrisa | Why would you need an ipk? |
| 19:00.48 | luke-jr | chrisa: to install them |
| 19:00.50 | chrisa | Are you compiling on the device? |
| 19:00.52 | luke-jr | yes |
| 19:01.07 | luke-jr | unless someone has a Net::DBus perl module ipk |
| 19:01.10 | chrisa | oh, best of luck there |
| 19:02.14 | luke-jr | -.- |
| 19:02.23 | luke-jr | so WebOS isn't a "major distro"? :p |
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| 19:02.51 | idontwank2know | chrisa: Yes. It's all good now. I posted a link to the 1 wire protocol wiki and he shut up. Actually "thanked" the post. After telling me ten minutes earlier that "my claims are BS" |
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| 19:03.15 | chrisa | Link this post |
| 19:03.18 | chrisa | I had wanted to reply |
| 19:04.01 | halfhalo_class | are we making fun of people again? |
| 19:04.02 | halfhalo_class | because I am SO in |
| 19:04.13 | en0x | lol ;] |
| 19:04.36 | idontwank2know | http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre/182108-centro-battery-wont-work-pre-4.html |
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| 19:04.56 | idontwank2know | allow me to apologize in advance for the circumspect name drop |
| 19:05.26 | idontwank2know | my post is the last one on that page and then the hissy fit starts later |
| 19:05.41 | zff | is anyone else having trouble with preware.org/feeds? |
| 19:06.06 | halfhalo_class | yes, we know its down zff |
| 19:06.56 | zff | tnx. Thought it was my bad. |
| 19:06.59 | chrisa | "I'm curious how the Centro can "program" the battery's internal circuitry. The battery has 3 contact points. +, - and I'm not sure what the 3rd one is for." |
| 19:07.09 | chrisa | So he has no idea what the third contact is for but assumes it couldn't be relevant |
| 19:07.24 | idontwank2know | of course not...he has 25 years in electronics! |
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| 19:07.42 | halfhalo_class | by that logic I have 19 years as a computer programmer |
| 19:08.30 | ka6sox | lets hear it for 1W |
| 19:08.41 | halfhalo_class | "I got my start in the field when I was a wee baby bashing on a computer keyboard" |
| 19:08.55 | idontwank2know | I should have known better than to try to actually offer some useful information in the general Pre forum. |
| 19:09.00 | halfhalo_class | oh |
| 19:09.08 | halfhalo_class | Preware is making monitor spaz out |
| 19:09.30 | halfhalo_class | wait |
| 19:09.31 | halfhalo_class | not preware |
| 19:09.33 | halfhalo_class | pc |
| 19:09.47 | idontwank2know | I don't get people who take the attitude that anything they don't already know/understand is suspect and BS unless someone can prove it to them. |
| 19:09.50 | halfhalo_class | is confuzling himself again |
| 19:09.51 | nekrox | iphone 4g rulz! |
| 19:10.03 | halfhalo_class | idontwank2know: laptop fanboys are worse |
| 19:10.04 | zff | has anyone offered an ETA when preware may be back upn |
| 19:10.11 | halfhalo_class | No eta |
| 19:10.20 | zff | damn |
| 19:10.31 | zff | having withdrawls |
| 19:10.33 | Rick_work | data base server just came back up. |
| 19:10.37 | Rick_work | webos-internals is now working. |
| 19:10.41 | ka6sox | [12:00] <ka6sox>zff, yes, we have had a RAID controller failure and I'm working on it...no ETR. |
| 19:10.42 | Rick_work | Preware MIGHT be working. |
| 19:11.23 | halfhalo_class | This is what happens when you use raid |
| 19:11.27 | Rick_work | if preware isn't up, it may be "a bit" till Rod can take the reins. Tom _has to leave_ |
| 19:12.13 | zff | still doqn. |
| 19:12.17 | zff | down |
| 19:12.23 | zff | sigh |
| 19:12.29 | Rick_work | ok |
| 19:12.38 | zff | tnx for the info |
| 19:12.51 | Rick_work | well, we just got the big db server for webos-internals wiki running again. |
| 19:12.54 | Rick_work | Preware next. |
| 19:13.04 | idontwank2know | you guys have created a monster |
| 19:13.12 | Rick_work | you have no idea. |
| 19:13.16 | halfhalo_class | WITH NO FAILOVERS! |
| 19:13.23 | idontwank2know | people start to tweak out if they can't check the feeds ten times a day |
| 19:13.38 | Rick_work | the problem is, failovers for the preware server get "tricky" |
| 19:13.57 | Rick_work | and the webos-internals wiki is totally dynamic so failovers are again, tricky. |
| 19:14.48 | halfhalo_class | has a load balancing server sitting in front of two webservers/db servers that are mirrors of each other |
| 19:15.29 | ka6sox | halfhalo_class, send $$$ |
| 19:15.32 | Rick_work | want an unpaid job as a db admin for webos-internals? |
| 19:17.17 | idontwank2know | what on earth is the point of an N band wifi radio in a phone? what are people doing that they need gigabit wireless? |
| 19:17.39 | Rick_work | streaming video. |
| 19:17.47 | halfhalo_class | Yup |
| 19:17.51 | halfhalo_class | I want that screen though |
| 19:18.09 | halfhalo_class | websockets demo: http://silentsight.homelinux.org/client.html |
| 19:18.34 | Rick_work | real time uncompressed video uploads from the camera on your phone to your local server for later editing and redistribution. |
| 19:18.48 | ka6sox | somebody, QUICK!, test the feeds. |
| 19:18.57 | ka6sox | before somebody else has a coronary. |
| 19:20.05 | idontwank2know | ka6sox: it no worky |
| 19:22.21 | ka6sox | grrr |
| 19:25.30 | Rick_work | test it again please. |
| 19:25.41 | halfhalo_class | doitdoitdoit |
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| 19:26.24 | ka6sox | works on my Pixi |
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| 19:26.42 | Rick_work | works on my pre |
| 19:26.48 | Rick_work | go do your cut over Tom |
| 19:26.58 | ka6sox | okay I'm OFF. |
| 19:27.00 | idontwank2know | yup, working for me too now |
| 19:27.32 | Guest12945 | hi, got a problem with my pre, it doesn't show me an incoming sms, just a white screen? anyone else allready had the same problem? |
| 19:28.03 | en0x | did you try to restart ur pre? |
| 19:28.12 | halfhalo_class | what is this, windows? |
| 19:28.17 | Guest12945 | yes |
| 19:28.51 | Rick_work | Guest12945 what carrier? Pre or Pixi ? |
| 19:29.04 | Guest12945 | pre |
| 19:29.28 | Rick_work | running preware? Any patches or themes? |
| 19:30.54 | Guest12945 | yes preware |
| 19:31.04 | Rick_work | any patches or themes???? |
| 19:31.35 | Guest12945 | i patched messaging (landscape, counter) with webOSQI, i'm removing it now |
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| 19:31.40 | Guest12945 | no themes |
| 19:32.00 | Rick_work | removing the patch is a good place to start. |
| 19:32.09 | Rick_work | Have you checked for updates recently? |
| 19:32.55 | Guest12945 | hmm, no. yesterday everything worked fine |
| 19:33.20 | Guest12945 | so i restart now, let's hope :D |
| 19:33.31 | MetaView | looks like a reset is all you need |
| 19:33.57 | Guest12945 | you mean with webOS Doctor? |
| 19:34.25 | MetaView | no, just a restart |
| 19:34.32 | MetaView | hold power button |
| 19:34.35 | Guest12945 | ah ok |
| 19:34.37 | Rick_work | there's something called a partial reset. |
| 19:34.52 | Rick_work | which doesn't do a complete doctor, it's available from the launcher. |
| 19:35.04 | MetaView | but it looks a bit like a memory problem, or? |
| 19:35.23 | MetaView | not enough available space to render the content/load the gfx |
| 19:35.54 | Guest12945 | but i can see the sms in the messages list |
| 19:36.07 | Guest12945 | its just white when i want to open it |
| 19:36.16 | Guest12945 | so just restarted |
| 19:36.21 | Guest12945 | still white :( |
| 19:37.12 | MetaView | a pity |
| 19:38.07 | Guest12945 | i installed 1.4.1 yesterday, its my first sms since that..hmmm, i need to send me another one to test it |
| 19:42.11 | Guest12945 | same problem with another sms...hmm fuck |
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| 19:46.54 | Guest12945 | how can i do a partial reset? whats the launcher? |
| 19:47.20 | Guest12945 | is there any possibilty to read the sms anyway, so that i can run the doctor afterwards? |
| 19:48.54 | MetaView | they are in palmdatabase file |
| 19:49.20 | MetaView | don't know where it is, have you lokked into Save/Restore app from webosinternals? |
| 19:49.39 | Guest12945 | no |
| 19:50.26 | MetaView | install it and it might save the message db |
| 19:50.39 | MetaView | at leats to be able to read it on your desktop |
| 19:53.04 | halfhalo_class | Ohhhhh |
| 19:53.08 | halfhalo_class | two more e3 emails |
| 19:53.41 | halfhalo_class | AND the boxes shipped today |
| 19:54.12 | Guest12945 | thank you so much metaview |
| 19:54.31 | Guest12945 | i could read in a html file |
| 19:54.33 | Rick_work | the sms's don't go away. |
| 19:55.37 | Rick_work | bring up the DEVICE INFO , tap RESET OPTIONS |
| 19:56.41 | Rick_work | aww shoot. They did away with the good one. |
| 19:56.55 | Rick_work | never mind. you don't wanna do that. |
| 19:57.15 | halfhalo_class | NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! |
| 19:57.24 | Guest12945 | hmmm, |
| 19:57.31 | halfhalo_class | Moviephone has stopped working when I type in a city in the zip code search box! |
| 19:58.09 | en0x | what a bummer :( |
| 19:58.17 | Guest12945 | anyway, thank you guys, you made me smile ;) |
| 19:58.30 | Guest12945 | sorry for my english |
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| 20:03.13 | MetaView | Guest12945: do you wanna speak German? |
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| 20:11.42 | chris____ | hello |
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| 20:14.55 | codeslaw | hey all |
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| 20:15.40 | codeslaw | anyone might help with a compiler problem i'm having? |
| 20:16.09 | codeslaw | i'd like to use SPriG or SDL_gfx for a project, but I'm having trouble getting either of them built on OSX, let alone for the device |
| 20:16.55 | MetaView | isn't SDL_gfx already part of the WiDK? |
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| 20:17.20 | codeslaw | is it? |
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| 20:19.38 | MetaView | well, AFAIR |
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| 20:59.51 | dtzWill | codeslaw: it's part of the WIDK, and I *think* i was able to run some test programs with it, don't remember for sure. are you having issues using it? |
| 21:00.30 | codeslaw | dtzWill: i don't have the WIDK installed, just working off the PDK right now and trying to install the libs myself |
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| 21:02.21 | dtzWill | codeslaw: kk. it wasn't hard to stage, i had to give it '--disable-mmx' to configure, which is unexpected, not sure if that helps |
| 21:03.21 | codeslaw | i'll keep messing around with it, prob will end up installing the widk anyway |
| 21:03.21 | dtzWill | (but no patches to it, etc) |
| 21:03.21 | dtzWill | codeslaw: what's the issue you're having? some compile error? |
| 21:03.40 | codeslaw | well, following the instructions to build that came in the README |
| 21:03.48 | codeslaw | i get an error when running ./configure |
| 21:04.34 | dtzWill | oh it should configure, even if misconfigured to use mmx instructions. |
| 21:04.58 | codeslaw | well the error occured at the script that checks the SDL verion |
| 21:05.00 | codeslaw | version |
| 21:05.17 | codeslaw | i have SDL installed, so i commented out that part of the script, and tried to build |
| 21:06.01 | codeslaw | but then make fails |
| 21:06.19 | dtzWill | codeslaw: you using sb2 or cross-compiling more traditionally? |
| 21:06.38 | codeslaw | as of now i'm just trying to compile for OSX |
| 21:07.18 | dtzWill | ...oh. :( |
| 21:07.31 | dtzWill | well widk has it all good to go for the pre :D |
| 21:07.58 | codeslaw | ya, i'll keep messing with it, but likely just grab the widk |
| 21:09.07 | halfhalo_class | Oh press email thats for "Immediate Release" |
| 21:09.36 | halfhalo_class | Its called... the eagle eye? |
| 21:09.43 | halfhalo_class | Who the hell came up with that name? |
| 21:09.57 | halfhalo_class | Its a freaking usb hid <-> ps3 controller interface |
| 21:10.06 | halfhalo_class | People these days..... |
| 21:11.29 | PuffTheMagic | halfhalo_class: whats that u talking about? |
| 21:11.40 | halfhalo_class | Press email I just got |
| 21:13.02 | halfhalo_class | who broke the palm website.... |
| 21:18.22 | PuffTheMagic | broke palm site? |
| 21:18.27 | PuffTheMagic | no im really confused |
| 21:18.34 | halfhalo_class | the dev site won't lode for me |
| 21:18.58 | PuffTheMagic | says it will be back in a few hours |
| 21:19.01 | halfhalo_class | Did... did I really just type lode instead of load? |
| 21:19.05 | PuffTheMagic | must be launching something |
| 21:19.23 | PuffTheMagic | codeslaw: you can use the palm pdk with widk |
| 21:21.31 | halfhalo_class | http://art.penny-arcade.com/photos/888884039_umVwa-L.jpg |
| 21:21.36 | halfhalo_class | >-< |
| 21:22.33 | HattCzech_work | hahaha, nice! |
| 21:23.23 | PuffTheMagic | what could they be launching today? |
| 21:23.28 | codeslaw | PuffTheMagic: any special sauce i need to add, or just install the WIDK along side it, and link to which libraries i please? |
| 21:23.41 | PuffTheMagic | basically the latter |
| 21:23.56 | codeslaw | that might make things very easy |
| 21:23.58 | PuffTheMagic | the palm sdk will give you a toolchain that will run on the mac |
| 21:24.03 | PuffTheMagic | then you can use widk |
| 21:24.13 | PuffTheMagic | to build your staging dir with that toolchain |
| 21:24.21 | PuffTheMagic | or use the libs palm gives you |
| 21:24.23 | PuffTheMagic | either way |
| 21:24.26 | PuffTheMagic | should work fine |
| 21:24.35 | codeslaw | cool |
| 21:28.29 | PuffTheMagic | theres a friggen wood pecker or something on the side of my house driving me nuts |
| 21:28.31 | PuffTheMagic | i cant see it though |
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| 21:51.58 | Ka6sox2 | rwhitby ping? |
| 21:52.19 | halfhalo_class | did you break it again..... |
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| 22:02.41 | Ka6sox-mobile | half_halo I sure hope not! |
| 22:03.01 | Ka6sox-mobile | is it broke? |
| 22:03.04 | halfhalo_class | no |
| 22:03.31 | Ka6sox-mobile | don't scare me like that :P |
| 22:04.39 | Ka6sox-mobile | ~seen rwhitby |
| 22:04.42 | infobot | rwhitby is currently on #webos-internals #oe #meego #nslu2-linux, last said: 'XorA: try now please, I gave it a hard kick'. |
| 22:05.39 | Ka6sox-mobile | ugh |
| 22:05.47 | halfhalo_class | Lol |
| 22:06.57 | Ka6sox-mobile | mebbe to you its funny but I was 2hrs late for work because of this little "issue" |
| 22:07.33 | halfhalo_class | And who's fault was it to go with raid... I mean it gives you nothing but trouble! |
| 22:07.55 | halfhalo_class | unless its raid 0. then its touch and go. but REALLY fast |
| 22:08.18 | Ka6sox-mobile | What are you talking about? |
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| 22:08.39 | halfhalo_class | Ummm.... Applesauce? |
| 22:08.55 | Ka6sox-mobile | I guess so! |
| 22:09.38 | halfhalo_class | Damn straight |
| 22:11.51 | Ka6sox-mobile | hmmm. Should have brought the pixi |
| 22:12.03 | halfhalo_class | why? |
| 22:12.35 | Ka6sox-mobile | 4got there was wifi here |
| 22:14.13 | rwhitby | Ka6sox-mobile: hi |
| 22:16.13 | Ka6sox-mobile | hi. Fun fun 2day |
| 22:16.35 | Ka6sox-mobile | u get my email? |
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| 22:17.19 | Ka6sox2 | darned EVDO |
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| 22:42.48 | geist | blehs at jrmuizel |
| 22:43.03 | jrmuizel | blehs back |
| 22:43.11 | geist | propa |
| 22:43.24 | jrmuizel | geist: how've you been? |
| 22:43.42 | geist | busy, as usual |
| 22:43.46 | geist | but not too bad, all in all |
| 22:44.11 | jrmuizel | good to hear. I can certainly sympathize with busyness. |
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| 22:52.50 | cxreg | usb hid <-> ps3 controller? i thought ps3 controller /was/ usb hid |
| 22:53.24 | halfhalo_class | So did I... but its from a company that has penguin in its name. |
| 22:53.26 | halfhalo_class | bbl |
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