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| 00:05.45 | rwhitby | morning |
| 00:05.52 | sbromwich | morning |
| 00:06.29 | rwhitby | I feel like a Preware 1.0 release ... |
| 00:06.41 | sbromwich | do you know off-hand what version of gcc the toolchain is built with on the autobuilder? |
| 00:06.52 | sbromwich | in the morning? |
| 00:06.59 | sbromwich | smells like... binaries? |
| 00:07.14 | rwhitby | sbromwich: both are binary download from codesourcery.com |
| 00:07.39 | rwhitby | sbromwich: see the Makefile in the toolchain/* dirs for details |
| 00:07.50 | sbromwich | hmmm |
| 00:08.00 | sbromwich | there's nothing else built with the local gcc? |
| 00:08.25 | rwhitby | HOSTCC stuff in kernel builds |
| 00:08.45 | sbromwich | hrm |
| 00:08.55 | sbromwich | can't see that doing much of anything |
| 00:09.18 | VincentLaw | does preware 1.0 overwrite preware alpha? |
| 00:09.43 | sbromwich | trying to trace down these reports of battery slackness, FuMan1 reckons it started with the autobuilt kernel |
| 00:10.03 | rwhitby | VincentLaw: no |
| 00:10.20 | VincentLaw | hmph |
| 00:10.24 | FuMan1 | sbromwich: ill try out the uimage tomorrow |
| 00:10.25 | VincentLaw | I wonder what happened then |
| 00:10.29 | sbromwich | thanks FuMan1 |
| 00:10.42 | FuMan1 | and, just to be clear, i missed a lot of builds in the middle there |
| 00:10.52 | FuMan1 | but i know back with the red font fire burning uimages, that was fine |
| 00:11.00 | FuMan1 | and the last 2 preware builds have hurt |
| 00:11.00 | VincentLaw | I had preware alpha, installed preware 1.0, and removed preware alpha (all from inside preware alpha). and when I looked, preware was nowhere to be found |
| 00:11.24 | VincentLaw | not that it particularly matters, reinstalled it via webosQI IPK |
| 00:11.27 | VincentLaw | just odd |
| 00:11.27 | sbromwich | FuMan1: were you doing one-shot boots with my single image (eg bobafett, deathstar, et al)? |
| 00:12.10 | FuMan1 | assuming that equates to tellbootie, novacom boot, then yeah O_o |
| 00:12.18 | sbromwich | that's the one |
| 00:12.46 | rwhitby | kicks off the Preware 1.0 release |
| 00:12.58 | sbromwich | do you remember which was the last one you booted that ran OK by any chance FuMan1? |
| 00:12.59 | FuMan1 | huzzah |
| 00:13.42 | FuMan1 | [20:35] <+sbromwich> http://www.fop.ns.ca/pre/uImage.dompertest |
| 00:13.43 | FuMan1 | [20:35] <+sbromwich> *grin* |
| 00:13.43 | FuMan1 | [20:35] <FuMan> not sure if its govnah, or what, but I'm crashing left and right |
| 00:13.43 | FuMan1 | [20:35] <+sbromwich> http://www.fop.ns.ca/pre/tuning is the event.d tuning script I'm running |
| 00:13.43 | FuMan1 | [20:35] <FuMan> still using the same threshold , etc settings? |
| 00:13.47 | FuMan1 | wow, horrid paste my bad |
| 00:14.00 | sbromwich | ah-hah |
| 00:14.03 | sbromwich | perfect, thanks |
| 00:14.17 | FuMan1 | i can't be 100% certain |
| 00:14.22 | FuMan1 | but, i know for sure i ran that |
| 00:14.28 | FuMan1 | and if battery drain was like these⦠i would have noticed |
| 00:14.44 | sbromwich | ok, that gives me enough info to play with diffs... thanks :-) |
| 00:15.04 | FuMan1 | gl |
| 00:15.09 | FuMan1 | and, as i mentioned before |
| 00:15.12 | FuMan1 | with the newest build in preware |
| 00:15.15 | CorpX | i think i just killed my phone |
| 00:15.19 | FuMan1 | it doesn't like playing with screen state |
| 00:15.26 | FuMan1 | itll always run at whatever i set as the max |
| 00:15.29 | FuMan1 | even when screen is off |
| 00:15.50 | FuMan1 | just, to note :> |
| 00:16.00 | sbromwich | if you run pt.pl does that change the state? |
| 00:16.26 | FuMan1 | im currently not on sbrom, and balls deep in studying for one of my last exams |
| 00:16.26 | FuMan1 | I |
| 00:16.35 | FuMan1 | I'll hit you up tomorrow for some quality troubleshooting |
| 00:16.46 | sbromwich | you've given me more than enough to go on, thanks :-) |
| 00:16.59 | FuMan1 | hope i didn't send you the wrong direction D; |
| 00:17.09 | sbromwich | nup, I think you just nailed it fo rme |
| 00:17.36 | FuMan1 | word |
| 00:17.42 | FuMan1 | and, and oil_pre |
| 00:18.17 | FuMan1 | oil_pre: tomorrow is finally reach day⦠so if you see anyone on, its actually me this time :D |
| 00:18.56 | sbromwich | ka6sox probably hates me but I have multiple copies of the important bits... I think I see what it might be |
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| 00:22.22 | sbromwich | I'm going to regress back and isolate out the wfi and see if that was it since that was the last thing, otherwise it's the DOM_PER test being too eager |
| 00:22.35 | lostnthenet | Hi guys |
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| 00:23.36 | lostnthenet | anyone hear me? |
| 00:24.15 | rwhitby | lostnthenet: yep |
| 00:24.50 | oil_pre | no |
| 00:25.05 | lostnthenet | I had uber and govnah for about 2 weeks but wanted to try the new features so I uninstalled and reinstalled and tried to use screenstate |
| 00:25.41 | lostnthenet | It seemed to be running fine and I checked my battery a few hours later and it was much lower than what I expected |
| 00:26.18 | lostnthenet | it was at 37 percent and I noticed my wifi stopped. I issued a restart and the phone went into big battery icon status |
| 00:27.05 | lostnthenet | I charged it a bit and it finally started back up and said it was at 4 percent when it came back on, I left it on the cord and it is going down now and is at 2 percent |
| 00:27.27 | lostnthenet | Its on a usb cord to my computer because I don't have a real charger up at work |
| 00:27.50 | lostnthenet | any ideas? seems like something is up with the battery meter or something |
| 00:28.10 | lostnthenet | and thanks for all the great work guys |
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| 00:32.04 | rwhitby | oil_pre: Preware 1.x is released |
| 00:33.20 | rwhitby | http://bit.ly/preware-1 |
| 00:34.47 | rwhitby | bbl |
| 00:36.49 | sbromwich | lostnthenet: I've only seen that when I've got something draining the battery hard... Try putting it in satellite mode for half an hour on charge and see what happens? |
| 00:37.41 | lostnthenet | ok, I was also thinking it might be the fahrenheit battery temp patch or something. Trying to remove that. |
| 00:37.52 | sbromwich | possible but unlikely |
| 00:38.06 | sbromwich | have you got novaterm or ssh access into it? |
| 00:38.15 | lostnthenet | I have terminal app |
| 00:38.26 | sbromwich | run uptime and see if the load looks particularly high |
| 00:39.26 | lostnthenet | 1.82, 1.16, 0.70 |
| 00:39.41 | sbromwich | mine's been in satellite mode/wifi on all day and off charge for the past 8 hours and it still has 36% battery |
| 00:40.03 | sbromwich | ok, something's running the cpu fairly hard |
| 00:40.17 | lostnthenet | top on this thing kinda sux |
| 00:40.39 | sbromwich | heh |
| 00:40.55 | sbromwich | run vmstat 1 for a while and see how many processes are waiting to run, or if there's any blocked |
| 00:43.10 | sbromwich | also keep any eye on the cpu column and see if there's anything particularly high in the user or sys columns |
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| 00:45.54 | rwhitby | can someone test the upgrade to Preware 1.0.0 ? |
| 00:46.44 | lostnthenet | I upgraded preware to 1.0 after I did the uber update |
| 00:46.49 | lostnthenet | seems faster to me |
| 00:46.54 | rwhitby | it is |
| 00:47.48 | lostnthenet | had to re update feeds once it restarted because I had it set to check once per day and since the package manager is gone, it didnt have a current db |
| 00:49.52 | lostnthenet | sbromwich: unfortunately I have no idea what I am looking at on vmstat. Its not formatted very well using terminal. I will need to get novaterm working |
| 00:52.20 | sbromwich | lostnthenet: if you can see the first two columns that's the number of running (active) and blocked (waiting on something) processes |
| 00:53.08 | lostnthenet | well I just uninstalled the uber and rebooted again and waiting for sufficient charge to boot up again and see if its doing the same. |
| 00:53.18 | sbromwich | ok |
| 00:53.31 | lostnthenet | I doubt its the kernel but going back to stock makes sense |
| 00:53.55 | sbromwich | there's a reasonable chance it's the kernel |
| 00:54.04 | lostnthenet | I was playing around with latitude a little earlier too and that may have had something to do with it |
| 00:55.07 | sbromwich | gps will certainly drain things harder but I wouldn't expect the battery to be sucked dry quite so quick |
| 00:55.33 | lostnthenet | It was just weird that a reboot would drain 37 percent |
| 00:56.12 | sbromwich | yeah, that definitely sounds odd |
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| 01:10.16 | lostnthenet | hey sbromwich. Its booted back up and the first 2 columns of vmstat 1 are mostly 0 and 0 with a few 1 and 0 lines |
| 01:11.45 | sbromwich | lostnthenet: yeah, that sounds about how it should be |
| 01:11.50 | sbromwich | is it taking a charge now? |
| 01:13.21 | jhojho_ | sbromwich: not sure what rwithby has installed for the autobuilder but the latest gcc toolchain from codesourcery is not the one the palm kernel uses apparently. I remember seeing this when I was looking at it a while ago. |
| 01:13.45 | lostnthenet | well its still at 4 percent hasnt gone up yet |
| 01:13.52 | lostnthenet | but at least it hasnt gone down |
| 01:13.58 | lostnthenet | im in airplane mode too |
| 01:14.49 | sbromwich | jhojho_: the one I'm using is... cs08q1? I think rwhitby put it on specially for me so I could use some of the gcc tuning parameters |
| 01:15.02 | sbromwich | lostnthenet: keep the screen off, it'll charge more quickly |
| 01:16.33 | rwhitby | jhojho_: the autobuilder uses the same toolchain as palm |
| 01:16.52 | rwhitby | jhojho_: but has an alternative toolchain also installed that sbromwich uses for a specific kernel package |
| 01:17.07 | jhojho_ | okay. so that's eliminated |
| 01:17.08 | jhojho_ | oh |
| 01:17.11 | sbromwich | is special. And not necessarily in a good way. |
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| 01:18.48 | jhojho_ | heh |
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| 01:21.53 | sbromwich | ka6sox: ping? |
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| 01:28.58 | lostnthenet | Well it went back down to 3 percent and I noticed that I would not get the usb or jsut charge prompt if I tried to disconnect/reconnect the usb cable. I stopped the Palm Novacom service on my pc and it started giving me the prompt. Strangely enough, the battery is charging now |
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| 01:29.18 | sbromwich | that's definitely weird |
| 01:29.21 | lostnthenet | lol |
| 01:29.23 | lostnthenet | i know |
| 01:29.44 | lostnthenet | never thought I would be so happy to see 5 percent |
| 01:29.58 | sbromwich | it sounds like something is causing the pre to draw > 500mA, the USB port can't keep up, and the battery gets drained to supplement it |
| 01:30.17 | lostnthenet | I was thinking that it was just not allowing it to sleep |
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| 01:31.20 | sbromwich | it won't sleep if it's on power |
| 01:31.33 | flare576 | Hey all, just wanted to pop in and say "Thank you" for the version checks in PreWare. I had to get my phone replaced and tried to install UberKernal on a 1.4.0. |
| 01:31.38 | sbromwich | well... nowhere near as deep as on battery |
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| 01:32.25 | sbromwich | flare576: rwhitby is the man there |
| 01:32.27 | lostnthenet | maybe something with the devmode. I tend to leave devmode enabled |
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| 01:33.06 | flare576 | Thank you for protecting my device (and, by proxy, digital life), rwhitby :) |
| 01:33.24 | sbromwich | anyone know if there's a way under linux to find how much current is actually being drawn (as opposed to max power) from a USB port? |
| 01:34.03 | sbromwich | lostnthenet: possible, but I doubt it, mine is permanently in dev mode and I don't see any great amount of battery drain unless I'm doing something I know will cause it |
| 01:34.06 | uNiXpSyChO | there's a current_mA in /sysfs |
| 01:34.19 | sbromwich | do you know whereabouts? |
| 01:34.34 | sbromwich | I've been spelunking and found nothing obvious but my grep fu might not be up to snuff |
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| 01:35.51 | uNiXpSyChO | sys/devices/platform/usb_gadget/current_mA |
| 01:36.16 | sbromwich | ahhhh... I was looking from a linux host |
| 01:36.20 | sbromwich | that'll do though, ta :-) |
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| 01:37.24 | lostnthenet | mine says 500 right now when I cat it out |
| 01:37.42 | sbromwich | same here and I'm charging too |
| 01:37.50 | sbromwich | anyone at 100% charge and care to check? |
| 01:38.23 | lostnthenet | I disconnected the cable and it said 0 |
| 01:38.30 | lostnthenet | so that sounds correct |
| 01:38.57 | pslag1 | Hi Steve... just joined... what are you looking to check? (however, I'm not at 100% charge right now). |
| 01:39.05 | sbromwich | well, the max draw is 500mA so I want to make sure it's a true reading and not just automatically set to maxpower |
| 01:39.16 | sbromwich | pslag1: /sys/devices/platform/usb_gadget/current_mA |
| 01:39.31 | sbromwich | seeing if I can use it to see how much current is actually being drawn by different kernels |
| 01:40.17 | pslag1 | Battery: 0 USB to PC: 500 USB to AC: 1000 |
| 01:40.31 | pslag1 | (don't have TS with me right now) |
| 01:40.47 | sbromwich | oooooh.... maybe that could be a way to id if the pre is on a TS |
| 01:41.03 | uNiXpSyChO | how so |
| 01:41.13 | pslag1 | running your latest test kernel: v1.4.1-25 |
| 01:41.19 | lostnthenet | doesn't luna already know when its on TS so it goes to clock |
| 01:41.21 | uNiXpSyChO | TS uses 700 and doesnt report under that sysfs entry |
| 01:41.29 | sbromwich | if it's 500mA on a USB port and 1A on AC... what might a touchstone be? 2A? |
| 01:41.47 | uNiXpSyChO | TS is 700mA |
| 01:41.53 | sbromwich | ahhh... so if it's drawing 700mA that might be enough to say it's on a touchstone? |
| 01:42.25 | uNiXpSyChO | yeah... but it reports 0mA when on touchstone. powerd spits out 700mA inductive charging out of nowhere |
| 01:42.25 | ka6sox | 700ma exceeds the USB2 spec. |
| 01:42.50 | sbromwich | is the TS a USB device? |
| 01:42.55 | lostnthenet | yeah but it uses fastcharge |
| 01:42.58 | uNiXpSyChO | 1000mA is through an AC charger using USB |
| 01:43.03 | lostnthenet | not usb communications |
| 01:43.07 | sbromwich | ahhh l |
| 01:43.10 | sbromwich | k |
| 01:43.18 | ka6sox | thats incoming not outgoing then. |
| 01:43.18 | uNiXpSyChO | nope, TS uses something else i cant find |
| 01:43.43 | pslag1 | What about 'high power' USB ports? Supposedly they supply 1 amp. |
| 01:43.44 | sbromwich | and I thought that might have been an easy fix... oh well :-/ |
| 01:45.13 | sbromwich | and the iGo charger I have that says it only doles out 850mA allegedly is giving 1A |
| 01:45.41 | uNiXpSyChO | 1A is fine... just not from a PC |
| 01:46.24 | sbromwich | I'm looking for something that will give me the actual power usage so I can look at different kernels to see what their power draw is at idle |
| 01:46.50 | uNiXpSyChO | i think that is in charger_detector.c |
| 01:46.52 | sbromwich | my killawatt (a) only has a resolution of 1W, and (b) is on loan to a friend |
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| 01:49.11 | sbromwich | charger_detector.c looks to be hard coding |
| 01:49.51 | sbromwich | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:49.56 | sbromwich | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:50.02 | uNiXpSyChO | darn |
| 01:50.43 | sbromwich | yeah, 1A or 500mA or 0A is all there is |
| 01:53.10 | uNiXpSyChO | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:55.34 | sbromwich | and yet nothing seems to use omap_vbus_draw? |
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| 01:56.25 | uNiXpSyChO | i noticed there is a crap load from the palm patch that doesnt even get compiled in |
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| 01:59.50 | sbromwich | all counts towards LOC ;-) |
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| 02:01.12 | lostnthenet | would it be possible to use 2 usb cables spliced together for charging at 1A like they do with some usb drives? |
| 02:01.40 | lostnthenet | I should by some more monoprice cables and hack it up and try it I guess |
| 02:01.52 | zsoc|away | lostnthenet: i don't see why not, i think you need to do something with the data.. uh.. loopback.. ground.. something |
| 02:02.38 | InvertChaos | Would that in theory allow the use of the touchstone via usb? |
| 02:02.40 | lostnthenet | probably wouldn't need to connect all four wires |
| 02:02.42 | sbromwich | lostnthenet: as long as your laptop and spliced in charger are plugged into the same electrical circuit (ie, use a power bar) you should be fine |
| 02:03.42 | lostnthenet | I'm not talking about using a real charger and usb at the same time, just plugging into 2 usb ports at the same time to get 500mA out of each for 1A total |
| 02:04.24 | sbromwich | hmmm, interesting idea |
| 02:04.56 | lostnthenet | InvertChaos: in theory it is possible but you might have to splice the inner contacts together for the ts since it uses fastcharging |
| 02:05.12 | lostnthenet | I will have to play around with this idea |
| 02:05.26 | sbromwich | my guess is you would either still be limited to 500mA or you would short out the usb ports... definitely something to test on a usb hub first ;-) |
| 02:05.36 | lostnthenet | agreed |
| 02:07.02 | sbromwich | ohhh... lostnthenet did you mention you were in a warehouse or something? |
| 02:07.16 | lostnthenet | Nah, I am in a datacenter |
| 02:07.23 | lostnthenet | so poor signal is an issue |
| 02:07.24 | sbromwich | ahhhhh |
| 02:07.29 | sbromwich | I was just about to say :-) |
| 02:07.38 | sbromwich | that might be the cause of your power drain |
| 02:07.45 | lostnthenet | we have like 40k servers |
| 02:08.13 | sbromwich | it might be worth installing mode switcher and tell it to switch to 2g only when the gps says you're withing 500 feet of the data centre |
| 02:08.59 | RagingMind | sbromwich, the directions that come with the TS very explicitly say that it should NOT be connected to a computer |
| 02:09.11 | FuMan1 | for what its worth |
| 02:09.14 | FuMan1 | been there done that with mine |
| 02:09.22 | FuMan1 | and works on some ports, not on others |
| 02:09.30 | sbromwich | RagingMind: I've never physically seen a TS so I have only a vague idea how it all hooks up ;-) |
| 02:10.28 | RagingMind | it uses the wall charger and data cord that comes with the pre to plug into the wall |
| 02:10.36 | uNiXpSyChO | yep, cuz the TS needs 700mA and the PC usb only sends 500mA |
| 02:11.18 | sbromwich | ah, so if I'm using the pre I can't novaterm in? |
| 02:11.46 | RagingMind | I bought a FM transmitter thing for a road trip... was a horrible POS. So I returned it and used the money to get a TS |
| 02:11.49 | lostnthenet | yeah but what I was getting at was splicing 2 usb cables to allow 1A of current to be available |
| 02:12.20 | RagingMind | sbromwich, this is why I've been whining the past couple days about needing to set up SSH or to buy another data cable |
| 02:13.52 | sbromwich | is there something special about the palm micro usb cable then? I have one here from a charger that only works for charging but I figured it only had power cables hooked up |
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| 02:14.45 | RagingMind | the palm one is nicely made and the TS is made to fit it perfectly |
| 02:15.05 | RagingMind | it's a really sexy little assembly |
| 02:16.09 | sbromwich | so the TS specifically needs the palm cable for it? |
| 02:16.29 | lostnthenet | I hacked one of the monoprice micro usb cables to allow it to work with the ts |
| 02:16.32 | RagingMind | doubtful... just a cable that fits into the hole in the back |
| 02:16.47 | lostnthenet | you also have to trim the end to allow it to fit |
| 02:16.57 | RagingMind | I imagine any other cable would work but if it was too bulky then you'd have to use an exacto |
| 02:17.54 | sbromwich | can see duct tape and exacto knives in his future |
| 02:18.08 | lostnthenet | i used a dremel |
| 02:18.29 | lostnthenet | I have a TS in my car |
| 02:18.48 | pslag1 | For AC, the adapter is important. A Belkin only supplies 500mA, whereas the Palm brand supplies 1A |
| 02:19.05 | pslag1 | Works same with any microUSB cable. Palm or generic. |
| 02:19.08 | RagingMind | lostnthenet, if I had the money I'd hack together a car holder arm thingy and a TS |
| 02:20.00 | RagingMind | then I could use GPS without dieing |
| 02:20.05 | lostnthenet | RagingMind, Mine is actually just sitting on the console, it stays put because of the texture of the bottom of the TS. I really like it |
| 02:20.52 | RagingMind | I actually want a little adjustable arm thingy so that I can move it around as I see fit |
| 02:21.10 | pslag1 | RagingMind: FM transmitter: Belkins=POS, Griffins=OK. But if your FM band is highly populated, they are all POS. (IMHO) |
| 02:22.13 | RagingMind | I was in the middle of no where |
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| 02:22.34 | lostnthenet | oooh, USB 3.0 does 900mA |
| 02:22.59 | lostnthenet | Raging: what kind of car do you have? |
| 02:23.12 | RagingMind | LMAO. I bought belkin cause my BF used to work at best buy (that's where we were shopping) and he said griffin was crap and belkin was the good one |
| 02:23.25 | RagingMind | lostnthenet, '97 ford thunderbird |
| 02:23.57 | RagingMind | brb |
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| 02:25.03 | RagingMind | I wonder if my netbook is jealous of my pre... |
| 02:25.13 | FuMan1 | does it reboot on wakeup? |
| 02:25.41 | sbromwich | senses bitterness in the force |
| 02:25.55 | FuMan1 | sbromwich: i came from a treo755 |
| 02:26.02 | FuMan1 | which, im not sure if you played with palmOS much |
| 02:26.03 | RagingMind | now that I have a pre I'm thinking I should go from a S-10 to a S12 |
| 02:26.04 | sbromwich | is that the windows one? |
| 02:26.08 | sbromwich | I had a 650 |
| 02:26.13 | FuMan1 | nah, its the last palm one |
| 02:26.18 | sbromwich | ahhh |
| 02:26.20 | FuMan1 | but old palm os was fast as hell |
| 02:26.25 | RagingMind | I have an old palm pilot... it was really nifty |
| 02:26.25 | sbromwich | *nod* |
| 02:26.26 | FuMan1 | it was sparse, but it was fast, and solid |
| 02:26.36 | FuMan1 | and it still kills me a bit, when my pre can't do things half as well D; |
| 02:26.45 | sbromwich | *grin* |
| 02:26.46 | FuMan1 | luna resets on wakeup, and not being able to set a PRIMARY NUMBER |
| 02:26.51 | FuMan1 | are my 2 killers |
| 02:27.23 | sbromwich | have you seen luna resets with all the kernels on mine you tried or were there any that stopped it? |
| 02:27.39 | sbromwich | and what do you mean by primary number? |
| 02:27.41 | FuMan1 | i think i mentioned it awhile back |
| 02:27.47 | FuMan1 | i've seen 1 |
| 02:27.53 | sbromwich | ok |
| 02:27.53 | FuMan1 | and it was possibly totally unrelated |
| 02:28.00 | FuMan1 | primary number as in |
| 02:28.10 | FuMan1 | if i type amber in messaging, i get her home phone |
| 02:28.15 | FuMan1 | if i type amber is universal search |
| 02:28.18 | FuMan1 | i get her mobile |
| 02:28.25 | FuMan1 | if i type it in the dialer, i get her home phone |
| 02:28.35 | FuMan1 | i've sent so many damned SMS-to-landline |
| 02:28.38 | sbromwich | if it was on -24 that might be because I pulled out some of the wakeup testing/rescheduling to see if that would help the battery |
| 02:28.45 | sbromwich | ahhhh |
| 02:28.52 | FuMan1 | because i can't set which number is always default |
| 02:29.01 | FuMan1 | and having to physically hit the screen, when dialing up someone in universal search |
| 02:29.11 | FuMan1 | because the number i want isn't the number the phone has decided to show up as the top result |
| 02:29.12 | FuMan1 | uuuuuugh |
| 02:30.17 | lostnthenet | AFK |
| 02:30.27 | sbromwich | mmm... that definitely sounds like a userspace issue to me FuMan1 ;-) |
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| 02:32.07 | RagingMind | how hard would it be to replace a service that's on the phone? |
| 02:32.28 | FuMan1 | sbromwich: i don't expect you to solve allll of my problems |
| 02:32.31 | FuMan1 | but, you are well on your way |
| 02:32.49 | sbromwich | heh |
| 02:33.19 | sbromwich | anyway... time for bed, laters :-) |
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| 03:16.57 | rwhitby | can someone test that the latest preware-bootstrap script works for Preware 1.0.0 ? |
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| 03:19.34 | PullingJ | any further guidance on whether installing package manager service is the expected behavior when upgrading from preware .9.99 to 1.0 ? |
| 03:20.06 | rwhitby | PullingJ: it is expected, it is then removed as the last step of the upgrade, as noted in the ChangeLog for 1.0.0 in the description in Preware |
| 03:20.30 | PullingJ | I saw that it was removed, didn't notice that it would be re-installed |
| 03:20.57 | PullingJ | preware .99 already removed it when i upgraded from .9.38 or whatever i was on before |
| 03:22.00 | rwhitby | yep, whether or not it tries to install it again depends on what is listed in the dependencies of all the various installed preware and preware alpha packages and those in the feeds that you have listed |
| 03:22.22 | rwhitby | if any of them list a dependency on ipkgservice, it will be reinstalled, and then re-removed in the postinst script |
| 03:23.52 | PullingJ | oh, so like luna manager? |
| 03:24.44 | PullingJ | which still works fine with preware .9.99 and no package manager service installed? do those use the built-in service? |
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| 03:28.46 | rwhitby | no, I mean various versions of Preware and Preware Alpha |
| 03:28.55 | rwhitby | (including your installed versions of such) |
| 03:29.24 | rwhitby | basically, the dependency will hang around until it has been removed from everything |
| 03:29.34 | PullingJ | oh, ok. I'll just do what it wants and not worry about it. I only have preware .9.99 installed now. |
| 03:29.49 | PullingJ | OH, there is still a dependency on file? |
| 03:30.27 | rwhitby | I believe I've just removed the last one from the webos-internals/all feed |
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| 03:31.08 | rwhitby | it was safer to have ipkgservice reinstalled, than to have something leave you with no service installed. |
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| 03:32.57 | rwhitby | bbl |
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| 04:41.53 | jhojho_ | anyone know if the agps patch is in the preware feed yet? |
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| 04:45.14 | lostnthenet | later guys |
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| 05:01.04 | halfhalo_T400 | pie |
| 05:02.14 | jhojho_ | webos internals has jumped the shark! there's a facebook page now =) |
| 05:02.23 | halfhalo_T400 | Yup |
| 05:03.32 | halfhalo_T400 | Two more days... Two more days until no more finals and new camera |
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| 05:05.19 | jhojho_ | what are you getting? |
| 05:06.07 | halfhalo_T400 | Pentax K-x with Two Lens's, enerloop charging pack, and 8GB SDHC card for a grand total of 655 |
| 05:08.18 | rwhitby | jhojho_: "jumped the shark" ? |
| 05:08.40 | halfhalo_T400 | Shark with friggin lazer beams attached to its head? |
| 05:09.11 | halfhalo_T400 | wishes for a shark with friggin lazer beams attached to its head... |
| 05:11.21 | halfhalo_T400 | Gah |
| 05:11.32 | halfhalo_T400 | I need my paycheck or new cc to get here now |
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| 05:14.47 | halfhalo_T400 | hmmmmm |
| 05:41.38 | hmagoo | http://www.tgdaily.com/mobility-features/49681-report-hp-prepping-webos-powered-tablet |
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| 05:44.23 | idw2k|wirc | just reprinting the same examiner story |
| 05:44.53 | idw2k|wirc | interesting the apparent corroboration from engadget, though |
| 05:45.26 | hmagoo | and of course after you buy something you want to promote it |
| 05:45.38 | hmagoo | leak a little here and there |
| 05:46.32 | idw2k|wirc | I would be surprisedi if they have something ready that fast |
| 05:46.59 | hmagoo | well, not if they already had a linux based device |
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| 05:47.35 | idw2k|wirc | I should clarify that I mean ready to really take on apple |
| 05:47.59 | idw2k|wirc | obviously webOS could be ported relatively easily as is |
| 05:49.03 | idw2k|wirc | the killer app would be flash, which is not totally out of the question in that timeframe |
| 05:49.40 | hmagoo | looks like apple is going after a proprietary flash replacement |
| 05:50.05 | idw2k|wirc | good luck to them with that |
| 05:51.32 | idw2k|wirc | it doesn't make sense to me, but if you've got ten million customers who would buy steve jobs' pop if you put it in a brushed aluminum case you look at things differently |
| 05:51.42 | idw2k|wirc | poo* |
| 05:57.35 | jhojho_ | rwhitby: =) |
| 05:57.56 | jhojho_ | http://www.google.com/search?q=%22jump+the+shark%22&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a |
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| 06:17.22 | oil | who is kevank? |
| 06:24.15 | rwhitby | oil: dunno |
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| 06:25.46 | lostnthenet | where can I find the irc archives for this channel? |
| 06:25.56 | oil | lostnthenet: lined in the topic |
| 06:26.07 | lostnthenet | doh |
| 06:26.28 | lostnthenet | I swear I tried to read it. :P |
| 06:26.30 | rwhitby | lostnthenet: maybe that's why your lostnthenet ;) |
| 06:26.39 | lostnthenet | probably |
| 06:26.49 | oil | rwhitby: he made a hot apps thing "for homebrew" |
| 06:27.06 | rwhitby | oil: oh, link? |
| 06:27.08 | oil | but its in the palm-web feed, afaik its not eligible |
| 06:27.16 | oil | rwhitby: i saw it in preware after upgrading to 1.0 |
| 06:30.55 | lostnthenet | trying to work on that usb charging cable I was talking about earlier |
| 06:31.25 | lostnthenet | first test complete and I didn't blow up the pre or the laptop |
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| 06:35.48 | dirtyblacksocks | Is WebOS hanging when installing a theme through the PreWare program installed onto the phone a common problem? |
| 06:38.23 | ka6sox | anybody powered the Pre from a powersupply without the battery? |
| 06:38.28 | lostnthenet | sweet, got it working. That was quick |
| 06:39.21 | lostnthenet | i had to short the signal wires on the pre side so it would recognize as fast charge. Of course this means the cable will only work for charging and not data |
| 06:39.47 | rwhitby | ka6sox: it usually won't work |
| 06:40.02 | chrisa | lostnthenet: I've made several of those cables at work for testing, it should work fine |
| 06:40.13 | rwhitby | ka6sox: most phones need the instantaneous current capabilities of the battery for cellular transmit |
| 06:40.27 | chrisa | Hmm, yes and no rwhitby |
| 06:41.12 | chrisa | Pre/Pixi can be powered entirely off a supply providing 3.8-4.2v, however you'll run into issues with non-internal builds of the code freaking out over there being no battery |
| 06:41.31 | rwhitby | chrisa: even when transmitting? |
| 06:41.35 | chrisa | In linux you can just kill powerd, but that doesn't help bootie seeing no battery |
| 06:41.59 | lostnthenet | chrisa: have you made the cables with 2 usb A inputs to allow 1000mA of current? |
| 06:42.19 | chrisa | uh huh, though we usually limit AC to 800 mA or so if I recall |
| 06:42.41 | chrisa | I forget why, but there was a reason 1A wasn't preferred on wall chargers |
| 06:43.11 | lostnthenet | I was doing it to see if I could charge the pre faster at work from a pc instead of having another charger |
| 06:43.14 | chrisa | rwhitby: if we're talking a power supply hooked in as a battery would be, yes |
| 06:43.40 | chrisa | lostnthenet: careful, usb ports are not supposed to go above 500mA according to standard, you're in "undefined behavior" territory |
| 06:43.53 | chrisa | It'll cause a reset on the controller on a lot of laptops |
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| 06:44.25 | lostnthenet | im using 2 ports that are each putting out 500mA like they do on alot of usb hard drives |
| 06:44.32 | ka6sox | chrisa, so bootie will be upset with only powering the pins with a PS? |
| 06:44.36 | lostnthenet | so not exceeding usb spec per port |
| 06:44.41 | rwhitby | chrisa: yeah, power supply will do it easily. but not usb port |
| 06:45.09 | chrisa | rwhitby: right, a call can spike above 1A on a rare occasion, that'll cause a reset. But he was talking a power supply via the battery pins I assumed |
| 06:45.27 | chrisa | ka6sox: it won't be able to communicate with a battery, so yes |
| 06:45.29 | rwhitby | chrisa: oh, yeah, you're right. I misread the original question. |
| 06:47.02 | ka6sox | chrisa, will it just hang or go into a reboot loop? |
| 06:47.36 | chrisa | It'll display an image similar to [?] |
| 06:47.52 | chrisa | and wait for a battery, eventually it shuts down iirc |
| 06:48.02 | chrisa | I haven't touched that code since last summer though |
| 06:48.33 | ka6sox | rats...I'm hoping to take current readings on the different kernels they are playing with. |
| 06:49.15 | rwhitby | ka6sox: voltage across a resistor in series with the battery? |
| 06:49.15 | chrisa | Something you could try is boot with a battery, plug ac in, kill powerd, remove the battery and hook the power supply, then remove ac |
| 06:49.24 | chrisa | But I don't officially endorse this |
| 06:49.36 | rwhitby | and it *will* void your warranty :) |
| 06:49.54 | ka6sox | chrisa, I understand. |
| 06:50.06 | chrisa | powerd handles a lot of misc power things like screen dimming, etc. So it may be a bad test without that running |
| 06:50.42 | rwhitby | heh, sbromwich considers powerd to be the source of most of the power drain on a Pre :) |
| 06:51.44 | chrisa | It's a fairly lightweight daemon that handles a lot of important tasks. I'm not surprised he incorrectly blames it |
| 06:52.04 | lostnthenet | so is sys/devices/platform/usb_gadget/current_mA the only way to tell how much current the device is pulling? |
| 06:52.09 | rwhitby | it wakes up fairly frequently, doesn't it? |
| 06:52.31 | chrisa | You think it wakes up randomly for no reason? |
| 06:52.58 | chrisa | lostnthenet: there's also a luna command, you can probably see it by watching the bus |
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| 06:53.57 | rwhitby | chrisa: no, I expect it's justified in all it's wakes. I haven't followed the details closely, so take what I'm spouting with a huge grain of salt :) |
| 06:55.11 | ka6sox | chrisa, can I re-enable powerd when I get it on the PS or will that fail too? |
| 06:55.44 | chrisa | I'm pretty sure it'll see that you have no battery and initiate a shutdown to the [?] logo |
| 06:56.47 | ka6sox | does the battery report current? ie: can I fake it out by letting it communicate but NOT power things off of it? |
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| 06:58.33 | chrisa | Beyond this and it may be frowned upon for me to say anything |
| 06:58.40 | chrisa | -and |
| 06:59.45 | ka6sox | okay ..np. |
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| 07:01.49 | rwhitby | ka6sox: things talk to the battery (I think it's a one wire protocol) |
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| 07:47.35 | swisstomcat | morning |
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| 08:53.40 | ka6sox | okay figured out how to make the unit think there is a battery, now to hack a USB cable so it doesn't provide power. |
| 09:05.11 | rwhitby | runs fileCoaster to see if it can install Preware 1.0 |
| 09:11.58 | swisstomcat | filecoaster .. haven't used that in ages :) |
| 09:14.54 | jhojho_ | that was uninstalled ages ago |
| 09:15.33 | jhojho_ | now just waiting for that agps patch to show up in preware |
| 09:20.31 | rwhitby | nope, fileCoaster cannot |
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| 09:25.39 | ka6sox | our kernels currently do not support pcrm? |
| 09:26.54 | rwhitby | oh man, I'm loving the wifi profile support I added to meta-doctor :) |
| 09:27.08 | rwhitby | meta-doctor, palm-install preware, done. |
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| 09:37.01 | hucksy | rwhitby: http://www.golem.de/1005/75022.html |
| 09:37.42 | hucksy | big german IT newssite |
| 09:39.36 | rwhitby | hucksy: thx |
| 09:40.06 | hucksy | np |
| 09:47.21 | swisstomcat | cool |
| 09:47.31 | swisstomcat | "alternative app catalog for webos" |
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| 10:51.01 | rwhitby | I think I've just found the way to detect an unclean reboot. |
| 10:51.17 | rwhitby | "lunaprop -a" has all sorts of good stuff |
| 10:52.04 | rwhitby | "lunaprop -m com.palm.properties.prevShutdownClean" in particulr |
| 10:52.30 | rwhitby | false after a power wiggle wiggle |
| 10:53.40 | rwhitby | true after a blob+sym+r |
| 11:18.52 | idw2k|wirc | the "power wiggle wiggle" thing never works on my pre, oddly enough |
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| 11:39.46 | kirkdsmith70 | test |
| 11:40.49 | kirkdsmith70 | anyone online |
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| 11:47.32 | swisstomcat | rehi |
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| 12:07.08 | DrFunk | hello all just wondering if there is a way to upload videos to Facebook from you tube (ex patch) ? |
| 12:13.16 | swisstomcat | thought that you can upload to facebook from the video recorder app |
| 12:13.36 | DrFunk | you can |
| 12:14.02 | DrFunk | but swisstomcat if ur looking @ videos on youtube how can you do it ? |
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| 12:14.37 | swisstomcat | ah, upload from the youtube app to facebook? |
| 12:14.54 | DrFunk | yes |
| 12:15.16 | sbromwich | chrisa: I'm not saying powerd is to blame, I'm saying powerd is telling the kernel to go to sleep, the kernel is being fed a bad value for (IIRC) MPU to sleep, the kernel returns fail to powerd, powerd tries again to tell the kernel to go to sleep and it gets stuck in a loop like that until power is applied |
| 12:15.37 | en0x | DrFunk: can't u just download the video from youtube and then use video app to upload it to fb? |
| 12:16.29 | DrFunk | I've tried that no luck en0x |
| 12:16.43 | sbromwich | chrisa: that was my logic in putting a wfi instruction in the fail section of the code |
| 12:18.09 | DrFunk | en0x: could you think of anything else ? |
| 12:18.50 | en0x | nope |
| 12:19.03 | en0x | i'm hangover it's hard to think |
| 12:19.58 | swisstomcat | guess it's not possible then, drfunk |
| 12:20.30 | DrFunk | errrr |
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| 12:44.28 | TheInvsbleManpre | Does anyone in here remember when Palm first allowed paid apps in the app catalog and how they accidentally gave out free downloads if you had previously downloaded the app via homebrew? |
| 12:45.44 | en0x | this has been fixed |
| 12:45.57 | en0x | it was something related to app id |
| 12:46.01 | TheInvsbleManpre | Oh yes of course I know |
| 12:46.20 | TheInvsbleManpre | I have a lingering side effect from that though that I needed help with |
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| 12:48.34 | TheInvsbleManpre | I mistakenly received a free copy of Word Whirl. And since they fixed it the app was disabled which I am completely ok with. But the thing is Palm still thinks it is registered to my profile and every time I doctor it tries to redownload it and fails because I have not actually paid for it. Also when I open the updates app it ALWAYS says there are app updates available because of Word Whirl |
| 12:48.48 | swisstomcat | it has been fixed? you can't just create your own hello world app and have an app-id of another app and then update it through the appstore? |
| 12:48.55 | TheInvsbleManpre | Is there any way I can get this cleared out of my Palm profile so it doesn't do this |
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| 12:49.39 | TheInvsbleManpre | Swisstomcat: nope, they fixed it shortly after it happened. |
| 12:50.15 | swisstomcat | i managed to install two free apps that were not available in my country that way |
| 12:50.43 | TheInvsbleManpre | I'm guessing this is something I would have to call Palm for I just figured I would check here first. |
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| 12:51.16 | TheInvsbleManpre | Swisstomcat: free apps are a different story. Paid apps are protected as far as I know. |
| 12:51.33 | swisstomcat | i'm not interested in piracy |
| 12:51.44 | swisstomcat | it might still work for free apps then |
| 12:52.45 | TheInvsbleManpre | Yea. I am not interested in piracy either. I'm just trying to get Word Whirl cleared from my profile. It's not causing any issues other than being annoying. |
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| 12:54.44 | TheInvsbleManpre | I'm guessing the only ways to get rid of it would be to all Palm and have them clear it out or to purchase it. |
| 12:54.50 | swisstomcat | hmm, i wonder if palm can actually edit your profile |
| 12:54.55 | TheInvsbleManpre | Call Palm* |
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| 12:55.31 | TheInvsbleManpre | I would think they can. |
| 12:55.57 | TheInvsbleManpre | Maybe I'll give them a call later. I'm on jury duty at the moment. |
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| 13:07.45 | TheInvsbleMan | Can we clock below 500mhz for screen off usin the SS gov yet? Or is it still buggy? |
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| 13:13.05 | swisstomcat | what i heard was that 125mhz is not stable |
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| 13:19.25 | RagingMind | I haven't heard anyone complain about 250 yet |
| 13:19.31 | RagingMind | and 125 is stable for me |
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| 13:47.18 | JesusMcCloud | 125 is unstable here |
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| 13:59.21 | TheInvsbleMan | Can we clock below 500mhz for screen off using the SS gov yet or is that still buggy? |
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| 15:59.51 | pablob | Hi |
| 16:00.01 | pablob | Im following the instructions in http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/WebOS_Internals_PDK |
| 16:00.19 | pablob | but Im getting link errors at 'make stage' time |
| 16:01.01 | pablob | is anybody seeing the same? |
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| 16:17.08 | phil_bw | oh wow that hurt... corner of my slim hp wireless keyboard to the foot... so much for carpel tunnel warnings on these things, need foot injury warnings too... |
| 16:18.08 | ka6sox | phil_bw, IBM made a keyboard that we swear weighed in at 10 lbs. we called it a Bludgeon. |
| 16:18.41 | ka6sox | if you dropped it on your foot it would break it. |
| 16:19.10 | phil_bw | ka6sox, this one is super light (hp elite series), but it's got very defined edges, stabbed my poor foot |
| 16:19.43 | ka6sox | ouch! that doesn't sound good at all. |
| 16:20.06 | phil_bw | no... still bloody hurts |
| 16:20.18 | phil_bw | could have probably dropped the whole laptop on my foot and came out better |
| 16:20.26 | en0x | cut ur foot... it won't hurt anymore |
| 16:20.59 | Marajin | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:21.02 | Marajin | I loved those things |
| 16:21.25 | phil_bw | yes, indivudual metal switches on every key |
| 16:21.33 | phil_bw | could hear someone typing from 100 yards away |
| 16:22.59 | ka6sox | that was the sound of "productivity" |
| 16:23.29 | phil_bw | oh indeed |
| 16:26.44 | Marajin | sure but did they ever break? |
| 16:26.46 | Marajin | noooooo |
| 16:26.57 | Marajin | they'd break the user before they'd break themselves |
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| 16:32.06 | Mitalis | Is there a way to lock in the governor settings in Gonvah after a reboot? |
| 16:32.30 | ka6sox | Mitalis, not currently |
| 16:33.04 | Mitalis | k thank you |
| 16:33.09 | ka6sox | yw |
| 16:33.41 | ka6sox | lets see if novacomd finds the phone with this no-power hacked USB cable. |
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| 16:45.28 | sbromwich | anyone got a landline and a pre running stock palm kernel and willing to run a test for me? |
| 16:45.57 | sbromwich | unplug the pre from usb, turn it off, call it from the landline and see how many rings it takes before it wakes up and starts playing the ringtone |
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| 16:54.37 | phil_bw | sbromwich, I've got a Pre running the stock palm kernel but alas no landline (or second cell since the wife isn't home) |
| 17:11.46 | sbromwich | worth a try ;-) |
| 17:12.03 | sbromwich | from mine it takes 2 rings before the pre wakes and starts playing the ringtone, does that sound about right to anyone else? |
| 17:12.34 | phil_bw | that sounds about right, like when I call my wife's pre or she calls mine to find it |
| 17:12.49 | sbromwich | sweet. |
| 17:12.50 | phil_bw | sometime during the second ring we usually hear the tone |
| 17:13.07 | sbromwich | ok, I think I added about 0.5s to that then |
| 17:13.51 | phil_bw | I'd be happy to let someone try calling my Pre and I'll post as soon as it lights up |
| 17:14.03 | phil_bw | but I don't know what kind of ring difference there will be for people living far away |
| 17:14.20 | sbromwich | mmm... tricky, I think it's one of those things that you need to be watching the pre whilst you're calling it |
| 17:14.38 | phil_bw | yeah, that would indeed be the easiest |
| 17:14.47 | sbromwich | although you make a good point... there could be some latency going through the carrier, and the carrier is just feeding me a ring to make me understand the line isn't dead |
| 17:15.03 | phil_bw | I mean even if I went from land line to cell |
| 17:15.13 | phil_bw | in my case I would be going from Verizon to Sprint |
| 17:15.30 | phil_bw | the best test would probably be Sprint to Sprint, I'll try it when the wife gets home |
| 17:15.39 | sbromwich | thanks :-) |
| 17:16.01 | sbromwich | I just pushed out -26 ("yoda") to the autobuilder, hopefully that'll fix a lot of complaints |
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| 17:16.33 | bazinga_ | hey all...is there an easy way to upgrade from preware alpha to v1? |
| 17:16.37 | phil_bw | one of these days I'll try one of your fancy kernels |
| 17:20.17 | bazinga_ | anyone? |
| 17:21.52 | bazinga_ | 9.38 is still on the internals feed (all) |
| 17:21.59 | bazinga_ | in WOQI |
| 17:23.39 | sbromwich | phil_bw: there's a feed for it now, even :-) |
| 17:24.54 | phil_bw | sbromwich, I'm keeping my Pre stock to try to optimize my X setup as best as I can |
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| 17:34.31 | sbromwich | sounds fair enough |
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| 17:39.36 | phil_bw | blahhh, is it really that hard to find a decent macro recorder... :( |
| 17:40.09 | sbromwich | under linux? |
| 17:40.13 | phil_bw | all I want to do is make F5 do the equiv of ctrl+s, ctrl+k, ctrl+v |
| 17:40.18 | phil_bw | win7 |
| 17:40.29 | sbromwich | can't help you there I'm afraid ;-) |
| 17:41.35 | phil_bw | oh well, thanks anyway |
| 17:42.53 | bazinga_ | hey all...is there an easy way to upgrade from preware alpha to v1? |
| 17:43.29 | sbromwich | bazinga_: dunno, your best bet is to wait another 5 or 6 hours and see if you can grab rwhitby |
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| 17:43.41 | sbromwich | and then of course document it up on the wiki :-) |
| 17:43.54 | bazinga_ | sure... |
| 17:44.29 | bazinga_ | the latest is not even on the feed for WOSQI |
| 17:45.05 | sbromwich | I've never used wosqi so I can't help you there I'm afraid :-/ |
| 17:45.43 | phil_bw | the feeds are the same (for Preware and WOSQI) |
| 17:46.13 | nt4cats | bazinga_: what do you mean 'upgrade ' from alpha to v1? You just install v1 |
| 17:46.22 | bazinga_ | sigh |
| 17:46.25 | bazinga_ | i have alpha installed |
| 17:46.29 | bazinga_ | there is no upgrade |
| 17:46.39 | bazinga_ | at least not on preware on my phone |
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| 17:46.59 | nt4cats | bazinga_: yes, that's my point. There is no upgrade, because they are two different products |
| 17:47.08 | bazinga_ | they are? |
| 17:47.10 | nt4cats | bazinga_: If you want to run preware (non-alpha) install it |
| 17:47.14 | bazinga_ | i was told that the alpha would become v1 |
| 17:47.23 | nt4cats | bazinga_: yes, one product is named "Preware Aplha", one is named "Preware" |
| 17:47.41 | bazinga_ | bad info i guess |
| 17:47.52 | bazinga_ | thx |
| 17:48.33 | bazinga_ | i dont see v1 in my webosqi |
| 17:49.25 | nt4cats | bazinga_; if you have preware alpha on your phone refresh your feeds and install preware |
| 17:49.34 | bazinga_ | sigh sigh |
| 17:49.42 | bazinga_ | i just told u its not there |
| 17:50.23 | bazinga_ | dont worry..i will check forums |
| 17:50.29 | nt4cats | bazinga_: I just arrived (really just came back from lunch), so I didn't know it wasn't showing up in preware |
| 17:50.44 | nt4cats | bazinga_: let me check my feeds ... |
| 17:51.08 | nt4cats | Can you open up your preware alpha for me, please? |
| 17:52.05 | djk | Anyone else having trouble run the App Catalog Update? The first app in the list is blank and the rest seem to be just hang on download. |
| 17:52.45 | nt4cats | sees Preware 1.0.0 in his Preware update feeds |
| 17:53.28 | djk | not the Preware feeds the Apps |
| 17:54.27 | nt4cats | djk: sorry, I am trying to help someone else with a Preware issue |
| 17:54.40 | nt4cats | bazinga_: are you still here? |
| 17:54.54 | djk | nt4cats: thanks didn't know |
| 17:56.56 | nt4cats | Is there a term for people who get annoyed with you when you try to help them -- especially if you're not familiar with the comments they made before you arrived? |
| 17:58.06 | nt4cats | bazinga_: in spite of the fact that you're getting testy with me, I'd be glad to help you if/when you come back |
| 17:59.13 | sbromwich | nt4cats: in england we call them "muppets" |
| 18:00.41 | nt4cats | djk: I'll try my app catalog in a minute, I haven't gone there today. I have seen behavior similar to that in the past, and it lasted a few hours then ... |
| 18:03.13 | nt4cats | djk: my app catalog seems to be behaving okay ... maybe the problem is intermittent (or you're hitting a different update server than me, maybe) |
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| 18:32.21 | djk | I'm wondering if it is the first app that is blank and I can't identify what it is. I would delete if I could figure that out |
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| 18:35.28 | djk | It's been this way for a week or so. I have booted it and all to force any hung service to clear but that doesn't seem to be the problem |
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| 19:06.36 | swisstomcat | evening |
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| 19:06.59 | swisstomcat | tagline in preware needs to change "we will get to v.1.0 .. eventually" |
| 19:07.02 | nt4cats | meow swissy |
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| 19:07.24 | swisstomcat | meow nt4 |
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| 19:11.01 | Adam24 | the install button is not working on the palm feeds. |
| 19:11.11 | nt4cats | Adam24: in Preware? |
| 19:11.19 | Adam24 | yes |
| 19:11.24 | nt4cats | Adam24: which version of Preware? |
| 19:11.40 | Adam24 | 1.0.0 |
| 19:12.23 | nt4cats | (firing up Preware v1.0 ...) |
| 19:13.48 | nt4cats | Adam24: what behavior are you seeing? |
| 19:13.56 | swisstomcat | this tagline in preware 1.0 needs to change "we will get to v.1.0 .. eventually" |
| 19:14.21 | nt4cats | Adam24: I just installed "AnimalMemory" from the Palm Beta feed and it went swimmingly well |
| 19:14.49 | Adam24 | I click the install button on an app's page in the palm feed and nothing happens. |
| 19:15.13 | nt4cats | is your application catalog icon working by itself? |
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| 19:16.44 | Adam24 | I'm using this in the emulator which is supported by preware's configuration. |
| 19:17.20 | nt4cats | Adam24: Hmmm, does the Palm Beta feed work for you? |
| 19:17.26 | Adam24 | no |
| 19:17.44 | en0x | http://asset.soup.io/asset/0798/2447_3eb4.png hehehe |
| 19:17.49 | Adam24 | install button turns blue and that all that happens. |
| 19:17.51 | swisstomcat | hey nt4cats .. how do you like animalmemory? |
| 19:17.52 | nt4cats | Adam24: well it is working for me, I wonder if this is an emulator-specific issue |
| 19:18.01 | nt4cats | swisstomcat: Dunno, I haven't launched it yet |
| 19:18.36 | nt4cats | swisstomcat: it looked like something I could use to distract my kids in a pinch ... I'll try it on the train home tonight |
| 19:18.58 | swisstomcat | do you know that that's my app (well, one of them) |
| 19:19.38 | nt4cats | I didn't know that. My daughter digs cows, it has a cow icon and I needed to pick a random app to respond to Adam24's "feeds aren't working" error report |
| 19:19.53 | swisstomcat | do you also have moo, nt4cats? |
| 19:20.11 | nt4cats | CowSays Moo? Yes. |
| 19:20.17 | swisstomcat | just Moo |
| 19:20.22 | nt4cats | oh, just Moo, yes |
| 19:20.36 | nt4cats | I have both (again, my daughter likes cows) |
| 19:20.44 | swisstomcat | that's my other app :) |
| 19:21.01 | swisstomcat | my son likes animal sounds/images too |
| 19:21.39 | swisstomcat | i don't think the app catalog works at all on the emulator, adam23 |
| 19:21.42 | swisstomcat | adam24 |
| 19:22.37 | bazinga_ | back |
| 19:22.38 | bazinga_ | sorry |
| 19:22.43 | bazinga_ | i am getting testy with u? |
| 19:22.54 | Adam24 | yes, swisstomcat? |
| 19:22.56 | bazinga_ | lol...no worries then |
| 19:23.02 | nt4cats | bazinga_: maybe a little |
| 19:23.10 | nt4cats | bazinga_: but I'm glad to help you resolve your issue |
| 19:23.16 | swisstomcat | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:23.21 | bazinga_ | guess that is your opinion |
| 19:23.25 | bazinga_ | not sure why u think that |
| 19:23.58 | nt4cats | bazinga_: I'd rather focus on solving your problem instead of copying-and-pasting our previous conversation |
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| 19:24.13 | bazinga_ | wow |
| 19:24.37 | DrFunk | is it possible to copy and paste in terminal ? |
| 19:24.39 | bazinga_ | is there an upgrade path from alpha to version 1 or preware |
| 19:24.45 | bazinga_ | of |
| 19:24.51 | nt4cats | bazinga_: No there is not. They are two separate applications. |
| 19:24.55 | bazinga_ | thanks |
| 19:24.58 | nt4cats | bazinga_: all you need to do is install Preware |
| 19:25.18 | bazinga_ | v1 of preware is not yet avail except as an upgrade |
| 19:25.20 | bazinga_ | correct? |
| 19:25.22 | oil | install preware, remove prewarel alpha |
| 19:25.27 | Adam24 | swisstomcat, the homebrew feeds work in the emulator. |
| 19:25.34 | nt4cats | oil: I've been trying to tell him that, he hasn't listened yet |
| 19:25.40 | bazinga_ | the reason i have alpha is nt4cats suggestion... |
| 19:25.47 | bazinga_ | i had issued with package manager version |
| 19:25.49 | nt4cats | bazinga_: open up Preware alpha for me please |
| 19:25.57 | swisstomcat | adam24: yes,homebrew works but not the app catalog |
| 19:26.23 | bazinga_ | done |
| 19:26.40 | nt4cats | bazinga_: once it is open, please select "list of everything" |
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| 19:27.05 | bazinga_ | done |
| 19:27.20 | nt4cats | bazinga_: after selecting "list of everything" type (no quotes) "preware" |
| 19:27.42 | bazinga_ | got it |
| 19:27.47 | nt4cats | bazinga_: if your feeds have been refreshed lately (you told me they were), you'll see "Preware v1.0.0" under "yesterday" |
| 19:27.58 | bazinga_ | correct |
| 19:28.08 | nt4cats | now you can select Preware v1.0.0 |
| 19:28.11 | bazinga_ | so my question was if v1 is avail standalone yet |
| 19:28.23 | DrFunk | yes |
| 19:28.25 | nt4cats | yes |
| 19:28.26 | DrFunk | lol |
| 19:28.44 | DrFunk | sup cats |
| 19:28.55 | nt4cats | once you have Preware 1.0.0 open all you need to do is click the "install" button. |
| 19:29.11 | nt4cats | Once you've done that you can remove Preware alpha if you'd like. |
| 19:30.06 | DrFunk | so is it possible to copy and paste from terminal ? |
| 19:30.50 | nt4cats | DrFunk: I don't think so |
| 19:31.15 | DrFunk | ack so it has to be a screen shot than |
| 19:31.17 | nt4cats | DrFunk: there is a [small] chance I'm wrong, but I'm reasonably sure you cannot |
| 19:31.31 | DrFunk | oil |
| 19:32.22 | nt4cats | DrFunk: ... so I'm not claiming to be authoritative -- you're not allowed to flame, cyber-stalk, or look at me with a funny expression if I am proved wrong |
| 19:32.50 | oil | ? |
| 19:32.51 | DrFunk | lmao @ nt4cats |
| 19:33.09 | nt4cats | DrFunk: is this something where you can pipe the output to a file and then copy the results off of your pre and use/post? |
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| 19:33.16 | DrFunk | oil: do you know if you can copy and paste in terminal |
| 19:33.31 | oil | copy/pastes nt4cats answer |
| 19:34.02 | nt4cats | oil: you have to author your own caveats, however. I have mine protected by international copyright treaty |
| 19:34.20 | oil | ok |
| 19:34.22 | oil | let me put it this way |
| 19:34.23 | DrFunk | nt4cats: what do you mean |
| 19:34.34 | oil | i've never copied from or pasted into terminal |
| 19:34.38 | oil | that doesn't mean its not possible |
| 19:35.16 | DrFunk | well lets just say I did a uptime and want to copy the results |
| 19:35.39 | oil | pipe it to a file on /media/internal and usb it off :) |
| 19:35.48 | nt4cats | DrFunk: if you're in terminal and you run "xyz" it is producing output you want to capture somehow. Can you run "xyz > /media/internal/my_results.txt" and then transfer the my_results.txt file off of your Pre (using scp or mounting your Pre in USB mode)? |
| 19:36.05 | nt4cats | DrFunk: "uptime > /media/internal/uptime.txt" |
| 19:37.39 | DrFunk | nope |
| 19:37.46 | DrFunk | I just tried it errr |
| 19:38.11 | nt4cats | [ddenardo@cylon src]$ uptime > /tmp/foo |
| 19:38.12 | nt4cats | [ddenardo@cylon src]$ cat /tmp/foo |
| 19:38.12 | nt4cats | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:38.24 | nt4cats | DrFunk: it just worked here |
| 19:38.55 | DrFunk | hmmm |
| 19:38.55 | en0x | oh oh palm pre plus hits att on the 16th |
| 19:39.46 | DrFunk | nt4cats: what can I be doing wrong |
| 19:40.01 | DrFunk | besides using the pre :) |
| 19:40.21 | DrFunk | en0x: att stinks |
| 19:41.57 | nt4cats | DrFunk: as a stability test I uninstalled openssh from my Pre 1 hour ago, so I don't have a quick way to login to my pre |
| 19:42.30 | nt4cats | DrFunk: you didn't type the quotes, did you? |
| 19:42.44 | DrFunk | nt4cats: I was asking how you did it |
| 19:42.48 | DrFunk | no I didnt |
| 19:42.55 | nt4cats | I copy-and-pasted exactly what I did |
| 19:43.14 | nt4cats | DrFunk: Can you screen shot your try and post it to something like imgur.com? |
| 19:44.07 | en0x | DrFunk: been there done that |
| 19:45.23 | DrFunk | what's that nt4cats |
| 19:45.48 | Adam24 | here's a ScreenFlow screencast explaining my problem:http://drop.io/Adam2453/asset/preware-mov |
| 19:47.08 | nt4cats | DrFunk: do you know how to make a screenshot of your Pre? |
| 19:47.29 | DrFunk | nt4cats: yes |
| 19:47.37 | DrFunk | I can take a screen shot |
| 19:47.50 | nt4cats | okay, with your terminal app showing how you tried to save the results of "uptime", take a screenshot. |
| 19:48.12 | DrFunk | but don't think I can upload to imgur.com |
| 19:48.25 | DrFunk | I'm on my pre now |
| 19:49.34 | nt4cats | you'll have to connect your Pre to your PC in USB mode and then use your PC's browser to upload them, then. |
| 19:49.48 | nt4cats | Maybe one of the other picture sharing services is easier |
| 19:49.59 | nt4cats | I don't have a preference for which one is used ... |
| 19:50.56 | DrFunk | oh so nt4cats imgur is for pc than ? |
| 19:51.21 | nt4cats | imgur.com is one example a of a free and easy-to-use picture/photo file sharing site |
| 19:51.31 | nt4cats | something like pastebin.com is for text |
| 19:52.30 | DrFunk | I think I no what I did |
| 19:52.52 | DrFunk | I need the > like you did but I have to see how I do that in terminal |
| 19:53.40 | DrFunk | nt4cats: do you no if there is a link for the sym commands for terminal |
| 19:53.42 | nt4cats | DrFunk: Shift key plus the . |
| 19:54.00 | DrFunk | thanks |
| 19:54.05 | DrFunk | let me try again |
| 19:54.06 | nt4cats | DrFunk: all of the "non-obvious" keys can be found here: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Terminal |
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| 19:57.01 | DrFunk | thanks nt4cats |
| 19:57.05 | DrFunk | got it now |
| 19:57.16 | nt4cats | DrFunk: np |
| 19:57.22 | DrFunk | doing a test on the pre |
| 19:57.25 | DrFunk | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:58.53 | DrFunk | nt4cats: I wonder if there is a site to upload pics from the pre |
| 20:04.59 | nt4cats | DrFunk: I'm not sure how friendly the Pre's browser is to uploads ... but I am going to poke around and see if I can find an adequate solution |
| 20:06.04 | DrFunk | I'm doing the same now |
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| 20:07.34 | nt4cats | DrFunk: there is a flickr Uploader in Preware ... |
| 20:10.02 | DrFunk | looks like maybe photoshare |
| 20:10.13 | DrFunk | or photowall |
| 20:10.45 | nt4cats | DrFunk: there is also an app called "PixelPipe Pro" that seems to connect with lots of services |
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| 20:17.55 | DrFunk | nt4cats: can you try this |
| 20:17.58 | DrFunk | http://wimg.mp/ycz.txt |
| 20:18.01 | DrFunk | plz |
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| 20:18.53 | nt4cats | DrFunk: up for 7 days, nice |
| 20:18.58 | nt4cats | did you do that all on-phone? |
| 20:19.36 | Lumiere | nt4cats: is it sad when you stop expecting 7 days uptime on a phone? |
| 20:20.02 | DrFunk | yes |
| 20:20.34 | nt4cats | DrFunk: gotta run to catch a train -- I'll be back online in about 20 minutes |
| 20:20.42 | DrFunk | ok |
| 20:20.45 | Lumiere | doesn't remember to charge it enough... so my phone shuts off at about 11pm |
| 20:20.58 | DrFunk | lol Lumiere |
| 20:21.10 | DrFunk | going to try for 21 days |
| 20:22.26 | DrFunk | bbs |
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| 20:44.10 | nt4cats | swissy is gone? |
| 20:44.14 | nt4cats | ~seen swisstomcat |
| 20:44.15 | infobot | swisstomcat <~tomcat@gw.ptr-80-238-233-84.customer.ch.netstream.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #webos-internals, 1h 18m 18s ago, saying: 'adam24: yes,homebrew works but not the app catalog'. |
| 20:44.46 | Lumiere | he left 10 minutes ago or so |
| 20:45.05 | nt4cats | that was very inconsiderate of him to leave when I want him now |
| 20:45.24 | nt4cats | he'll have to be more thoughtful next time |
| 20:45.37 | Lumiere | lol |
| 20:45.57 | Lumiere | it's like me and rwhitby... he seemed to go to bed every time I had questions for him :) |
| 20:46.07 | Lumiere | (don't have any right now) |
| 20:46.45 | nt4cats | I think we should acquire robot parts to replace all of rwhitby's fleshy bits so that he won't need sleep and can just hang out here 24/7 and answer our questions |
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| 20:51.22 | nt4cats | tried to get infobot to say "mmmmmmm ... fleshy bits!" but he wouldn't listen to me :/ |
| 20:52.21 | Lumiere | infobot: botsnack |
| 20:52.21 | infobot | thanks, Lumiere |
| 20:52.32 | Lumiere | it should say that to botsnack ;) |
| 20:52.45 | nt4cats | ~botsnack |
| 20:52.45 | infobot | nt4cats: aw, gee |
| 20:53.03 | nt4cats | ~say I love Kiwis! |
| 20:53.29 | Mitalis | Is there a link to browse the webos patches w/o the need for Preware? |
| 20:53.51 | Lumiere | Mitalis: what do you mean by browse the patches? |
| 20:53.56 | Lumiere | the list or the actuall diff? |
| 20:55.02 | nt4cats | Mitalis: if you want to see the list of patches in a json-ish format you can look at the "Packages" file in this directory http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-patches/1.4.1.1/ |
| 20:55.24 | nt4cats | (that's assuming you're looking for the webOS 1.4.1.1 version of the patches) |
| 20:55.49 | Mitalis | perfect.. Thank you! |
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| 21:13.09 | Mitalis | Anybody know the name of that one patch that uses the gesture controls to pull up the additional options when in the browser? |
| 21:16.09 | Mitalis | Or the other patch where you can swipe down from the top (where the clock resides) and it shows you today's events along with tomorrows? |
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| 21:27.00 | halfhalo_T400 | Hehehe... |
| 21:27.07 | halfhalo_T400 | Two down and Two and a Half to go |
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| 22:37.06 | KnoxBNYC | Rod, you there? |
| 22:37.55 | KnoxBNYC | rwhitby? |
| 22:39.29 | KnoxBNYC | anybody inhere? :) |
| 22:41.49 | Tibfib | nope! |
| 22:42.09 | KnoxBNYC | lol |
| 22:42.11 | KnoxBNYC | hmph |
| 22:44.17 | phil_bw | wanders by |
| 22:45.46 | sbromwich | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:09.08 | rwhitby | morning |
| 23:10.27 | sbromwich | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:11.00 | sbromwich | given the number of people willing to donate to webos-internals... I wouldn't refuse a test pre to verify different revs of hardware |
| 23:12.16 | chrisa | That doesn't sound noble. You're supposed to passive aggressively lament your lack of test hardware |
| 23:12.27 | sbromwich | dammit |
| 23:12.39 | sbromwich | oh, if only I had different revs of hardware to test my kernels on |
| 23:12.55 | sbromwich | I can't help noting people are donating quantities of cash for webos-internals |
| 23:12.58 | sbromwich | </bitter> |
| 23:13.04 | sbromwich | how's that, chrisa? ;-) |
| 23:13.28 | uNiXpSyChO | wanders by |
| 23:13.41 | sbromwich | uNiXpSyChO is to blame too |
| 23:13.45 | sbromwich | it's all his fault |
| 23:13.47 | sbromwich | somehow |
| 23:13.53 | uNiXpSyChO | starts running |
| 23:13.57 | sbromwich | heh |
| 23:14.01 | halfhalo_T400 | wanders by but makes a quick stop to steal sbromwich's wallet |
| 23:14.28 | sbromwich | bastids, the lot of ya |
| 23:14.37 | halfhalo_T400 | yup |
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| 23:15.02 | sbromwich | also why is it the glass can magically fill itself with alcoholic substances but the bottle can't? |
| 23:15.34 | uNiXpSyChO | you need a barrel for that |
| 23:15.54 | sbromwich | dammit, that's where I've been going wrong all these years |
| 23:16.25 | rwhitby | sbromwich: done. see private message for details. |
| 23:18.42 | sbromwich | passive aggression ftw. |
| 23:18.52 | sbromwich | thanks for the hint chrisa! |
| 23:19.26 | halfhalo_T400 | still has sbromwich's wallet though... |
| 23:19.35 | rwhitby | sbromwich: of course, the fact that we've bought second hand devices for all the core devs to use for testing has nothing to do with it ;) |
| 23:19.59 | sbromwich | halfhalo_T400: if you want 4 US dollar bills and a collection of cards that are useless outside nova scotia... batter on, good man, batter on |
| 23:20.04 | sbromwich | heh |
| 23:20.26 | halfhalo_T400 | meh, I steal for the kicks |
| 23:20.35 | sbromwich | halfhalo_T400: you're dead on if you ever need to fake treatment at the IWK children's hospital though |
| 23:22.00 | phil_bw | so have any commercial devs met my challenge and donated? |
| 23:22.43 | sbromwich | I will name my next kernel whatever you choose phil_bw |
| 23:22.59 | phil_bw | haha |
| 23:23.20 | phil_bw | doesn't know star wars too good (I know I suck at being a nerd) |
| 23:24.10 | sbromwich | 1.4.1-27.www.boraware.com_supports_webosinternals |
| 23:24.40 | phil_bw | hahaha |
| 23:25.01 | phil_bw | now I just need to get one of my commercial projects rolling... been too busy screwin with the open source stuff |
| 23:25.14 | sbromwich | details, details ;-) |
| 23:26.01 | phil_bw | it's a double edged sword really... no time to write commercial software to help fund the open source developers because I'm busy helping develop with the open source developers |
| 23:27.08 | sbromwich | wouldn't it be teh awesome to know the www.boraware.com kernel rev was the best one *evah*? ;-) |
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| 23:27.20 | phil_bw | indeed |
| 23:27.20 | scoutcamper | hi all |
| 23:27.33 | sbromwich | groeten |
| 23:27.37 | phil_bw | btw there will probably a boraware.org by then as well (the open source division) |
| 23:28.18 | sbromwich | so you're saying you want *two* releases? ;-) |
| 23:29.05 | scoutcamper | does anyone know how to port an android app to pre(i.e. I got one via the emulator that I want to make for pre) |
| 23:29.24 | sbromwich | scoutcamper: what language is the source in? |
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| 23:30.19 | scoutcamper | it was packaged as .apx and I renamed to .zip and extracted, so, that language |
| 23:30.48 | scoutcamper | lol, .apk not apx |
| 23:31.53 | sbromwich | that's compressed data, not source... |
| 23:32.40 | rwhitby | bbiab |
| 23:33.36 | scoutcamper | I know, app is free, not open source |
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| 23:41.05 | phil_bw | oh I think hell just froze over... |
| 23:41.08 | phil_bw | I'm commenting my code |
| 23:41.21 | phil_bw | like actual useful comments (not just deactivating large blocks of code) |
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| 23:43.19 | sbromwich | *shock* |
| 23:43.30 | sbromwich | all *my* patches have READMEs |
| 23:43.33 | sbromwich | *smug* |
| 23:44.53 | phil_bw | oh the README... I haven't gone that far |
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| 23:49.59 | sbromwich | might be considered... advanced |
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| 23:52.37 | halfhalo_T400 | Ok, just a little pissed |
| 23:52.43 | halfhalo_T400 | Price of the camera went up |
| 23:52.49 | phil_bw | and my 1 year old miight be considered... cranky |
| 23:52.53 | phil_bw | goes and feeds the 1 year old |
| 23:52.55 | sbromwich | halfhalo_T400: you need more whisky to make you *quite* pissed then |
| 23:53.02 | halfhalo_T400 | true |
| 23:53.07 | halfhalo_T400 | but I don't drink |
| 23:53.17 | sbromwich | then you shouldn't be pissed |
| 23:53.22 | sbromwich | unless you are slood |
| 23:53.31 | halfhalo_T400 | I need 647.45 like now |
| 23:53.33 | sbromwich | and ameliorating sloodness |
| 23:53.53 | sbromwich | that's a very precise figure |
| 23:54.02 | sbromwich | me, I could do with about 50 grand |
| 23:54.13 | sbromwich | beer and dancing girls *would* be mine then |
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| 23:56.12 | halfhalo_T400 | Its the price of the camera, sd card, and batteries shipped |
| 23:56.29 | nt4cats | sbromwich: is "pissed" a multi-meaning word, or does it only mean "had too much alcohol" to you and people like you? |
| 23:56.39 | sbromwich | halfhalo_T400: look for a bigger amount, then you can at least spent the rest on booze |
| 23:56.42 | nt4cats | here is only means "angry" |
| 23:56.52 | sbromwich | nt4cats: "pissed" means "drunk" to me |
| 23:56.54 | halfhalo_T400 | Don't Drink for two reasons |
| 23:57.13 | halfhalo_T400 | one, underage. two, I drive WAY to fast |
| 23:57.32 | sbromwich | halfhalo_T400: if you drive then you're old enough to drink but not drive imho |
| 23:57.47 | nt4cats | drinking is the only "move" I have left that works with my wife |
| 23:58.29 | halfhalo_T400 | I just see no reason for me to drink alcohol. I would much rather drive like a bat out of hell then let someone else drive me |
| 23:59.03 | Tibfib | halfhalo_T400: +1 |
| 23:59.39 | sbromwich | halfhalo_T400: I don't have a driver's license |
| 23:59.55 | yokken | get one |
| 23:59.56 | halfhalo_T400 | should also point out he has a lowered suspension, tweaked engine, and a reckless disregard for speed limits |
