| 00:00.40 | WillJitsu | rwhitby: I was using the screenstate 500/800 in case anyone else reports a similar issue. |
| 00:04.18 | uNiXpSyChO | is a little meowy this evening |
| 00:04.31 | jwm | meowy? |
| 00:04.35 | jwm | wtf is that |
| 00:04.44 | uNiXpSyChO | i need a scratching post |
| 00:04.54 | zsoc | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:05.02 | uNiXpSyChO | that too |
| 00:05.10 | zsoc | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:06.18 | uNiXpSyChO | zsoc is a wealth of knowledge |
| 00:06.36 | zsoc | s/knowledge/experience/ |
| 00:06.40 | halfhalo | haha |
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| 00:07.04 | halfhalo | is laughing because he knows its true |
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| 00:07.47 | Volcom45 | I wish to add Bible Reader KJV to the bounty for Save/Restore |
| 00:08.20 | zsoc | Volcom45: 1.) write the script, or 2.) prod someone else to do it, till they comply to shut you up |
| 00:08.23 | zsoc | that's what I do at least |
| 00:08.27 | Volcom45 | I'll gladly double the app price if I get commitment |
| 00:08.50 | Volcom45 | wow |
| 00:09.20 | zsoc | Volcom45: unless by 'bounty' you meant something other than a backup method? |
| 00:09.46 | Volcom45 | I mean the settings saves |
| 00:09.48 | Volcom45 | saved |
| 00:10.06 | Volcom45 | like notes, underlining, bookmarks, etc |
| 00:10.59 | Volcom45 | Rods thread said come here to talk about adding a new app to save/restore |
| 00:11.05 | zsoc | Yes. You could do it yourself by looking at the example of how the others are done |
| 00:11.24 | Volcom45 | I am not a coder |
| 00:11.40 | zsoc | http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=applications/saverestore.git;a=tree;f=scripts;h=80f66ed5a66bb3c607fa46bee5e9ced8e61475c8;hb=HEAD |
| 00:11.49 | zsoc | It's not really a code, just a script. That's a list of the others that are supported |
| 00:12.00 | zsoc | Volcom45: but the 2nd option works well. Bother rod until he does it :> |
| 00:12.46 | Volcom45 | lol |
| 00:12.50 | Volcom45 | k thx |
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| 00:31.53 | GreedyB | I feel like the menus are snappier with the old unixpsycho 800mhz kernel. Has anyone experienced that? I went back to a stock menu 3x |
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| 08:48.59 | hape | ~seen rwhitby |
| 08:49.01 | infobot | rwhitby is currently on #webos-internals #oe #meego #nslu2-linux. Has said a total of 100 messages. Is idling for 8h 49m 16s, last said: 'WillJitsu: but yeah, we should not discount any possible cause.'. |
| 08:49.14 | rwhitby | hey hape |
| 08:49.29 | hape | hi, happy that you are there |
| 08:49.35 | rwhitby | so am I :) |
| 08:49.47 | hape | I have problems with a pre/post scrips of ipks |
| 08:50.41 | hape | Is Preware making the root partition writable and switch it back or have the script to do it |
| 08:50.54 | hape | My last test I assume that preware is doing this. |
| 08:51.18 | rwhitby | Preware does this |
| 08:51.36 | rwhitby | hape: *but* if you use palm-install, it will not do it. |
| 08:52.02 | rwhitby | hape: look at the postinst for Preware or SaveRestore or Govnah for examples of how to do it in a way which works everywhere |
| 08:52.55 | hape | the uses use WQIS and are geeting this kind of error => http://forums.precentral.net/webos-internals/224609-navit-pre-12.html#post2419199 |
| 08:53.46 | hape | When they try to install the locale packeg. The script is only one line to create a link to /usr/lib/locale to the loaclae in the package |
| 08:54.25 | hape | as they are missing in webos. |
| 08:54.37 | hape | The remove script is also only one line to remove the link |
| 08:55.32 | hape | It only happens for some users not for all |
| 08:57.28 | rwhitby | does the same error occur if they are using Preware to install? |
| 08:58.02 | rwhitby | and where can I see the source code for the scripts in question |
| 09:00.31 | rwhitby | hape: when do you want to start using an applications/navit.git repository, and start putting these things in the webos-internals testing feed? |
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| 09:42.03 | asmw | account |
| 09:42.13 | asmw | sorry... wrong window |
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| 11:38.48 | DarkSpecter | is there any way to trigger a webos update beside the updater app ? |
| 11:41.13 | rwhitby | DarkSpecter: no |
| 11:41.30 | DarkSpecter | then i'm doomed :P |
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| 11:42.01 | DarkSpecter | i have a german pre on a german network, and it still thinks that it's up to date with 1.4 |
| 11:52.48 | DarkSpecter | rwhitby: last question, when the pre checks for updates, does it contact palm directly or a server of the network provider ? |
| 11:53.18 | rwhitby | DarkSpecter: it contacts servers from a content delivery network serving up palm content |
| 11:54.40 | DarkSpecter | rwhitby: so when my pre gets a response from that network that it has a up to date OS, although thats not the case, its more or less palms fault ? ;) |
| 11:56.08 | rwhitby | DarkSpecter: if you've never entered developer mode, yes. if you've ever entered developer mode, then you gave up your right for things to work correctly |
| 11:57.27 | rwhitby | if you can replicate it immediately after using the webOS Doctor, then you get to complain to Palm :) |
| 11:57.56 | DarkSpecter | thats my problem, i dont want to doctor again, i'd lose my precious free monopoly :P |
| 11:58.50 | DarkSpecter | i already had to doctor from 1.3.1 to 1.4 because my pre wouldnt recognize the update |
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| 12:12.33 | huehnerhose | Hi! |
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| 12:31.43 | DarkSpecter | rwhitby: seems it is palms AND my fault, because my pre got activated with a non O2 sim it seems it lost the ability to see updates beyond 1.3.2 |
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| 12:32.57 | rwhitby | DarkSpecter: if you activated with a sim from a non-supported carrier, then unfortunately it's all your fault :) |
| 12:33.17 | rwhitby | (as outrageous as that sounds, using a webOS device on an unsupported carrier is unsupported) |
| 12:33.41 | DarkSpecter | rwhitby: well, it is now a supported carrier, as vodafone now also sells webos devices in germany ;) |
| 12:34.00 | rwhitby | DarkSpecter: well, you need to reactivate it on that carrier then. |
| 12:34.25 | DarkSpecter | still according to the support guy at palm i'm talking with right now its a known problem that palm is working on |
| 12:34.53 | DarkSpecter | reactivate as in crerating a new palm profile ? |
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| 12:37.35 | swisstomcat | morning |
| 12:38.57 | DarkSpecter | rwhitby: what would be the consequences or reactivating it, would i lose contacts or apps ? |
| 12:39.32 | rwhitby | DarkSpecter: I do not know what a reactivation does to your profile. |
| 12:41.46 | DarkSpecter | rwhitby: oh well, i guess i'll wait till palm comes up with a solution to this, its not like 1.4 is totaly unusable, preware > empty app catalog |
| 12:42.03 | DarkSpecter | rwhitby: thx for taking your time to help me |
| 12:44.49 | rwhitby | there's some testing versions of ipkgservice, preware and preware alpha in the testing feed if anyone wants to alpha test them |
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| 12:58.25 | rwhitby | wow, installing packages with Preware Classic is just so boring when you're used to using Preware Alpha |
| 12:58.58 | mikewx | normally installing packages is "exciting" only when the packages are alpha and you don't know if your pre will reboot or not |
| 12:59.28 | swisstomcat | heh |
| 12:59.38 | swisstomcat | goes off to finally install preware alpha |
| 12:59.48 | nt4cats | this is scary |
| 13:00.01 | nt4cats | I have a alpha update and a classic update queued |
| 13:00.12 | mikewx | what is preware alpha anyway? |
| 13:00.15 | nt4cats | it says it is going to install the package manager service, too (for classic) |
| 13:00.40 | nt4cats | I'm curious to see what happens here (now that the c-service is built in to the alpha) |
| 13:00.43 | rwhitby | nt4cats: lucky you - a trifecta |
| 13:01.05 | rwhitby | nt4cats: what's the worst that can happen - do it |
| 13:01.26 | rwhitby | nt4cats: are you running classic or alpha ? |
| 13:01.27 | nt4cats | rwhitby: my phone could suddenty morph into a Windows Mobile device |
| 13:01.36 | nt4cats | rwhitby: running alpha |
| 13:01.57 | nt4cats | ... no melting yet, prompting me for a java restart ... |
| 13:02.01 | rwhitby | nt4cats: you know there's a better than even chance that it will work |
| 13:02.22 | nt4cats | rwhitby: sure, if alpha gets upgraded second it'll probably work :) |
| 13:02.38 | rwhitby | it all depends on whether it does ipkgservice or preware-alpha first, and I think it end up with a working preware in either case |
| 13:03.11 | rwhitby | god knows I've tested enough transition scenarios that it *should* work. |
| 13:03.48 | nt4cats | alpha appears to be happy |
| 13:03.54 | nt4cats | (it is downloading feeds) |
| 13:04.13 | rwhitby | are you getting download stats or not? |
| 13:04.23 | rwhitby | (that tells you whether it's using the java or C service) |
| 13:04.35 | nt4cats | Status (listing the URL being pulled), yes. Byte counts, no. |
| 13:04.47 | rwhitby | ok, so the java service got installed |
| 13:05.09 | rwhitby | did preware-alpha update itself already, or not? |
| 13:05.22 | nt4cats | yes, the alpha is at *.68 now |
| 13:05.50 | rwhitby | heh - you've now got alpha front end working with classic backend |
| 13:06.11 | nt4cats | I think I can bootstrap my way out of this pretty easily |
| 13:06.22 | rwhitby | oh, you can get out of it with preware |
| 13:06.42 | rwhitby | run preware, uninstall alpha, reinstall alpha |
| 13:07.55 | rwhitby | you might need a java restart after the uninstall alpha if it stops the java service |
| 13:08.30 | rwhitby | ok, I think I've now tested most combinations of Preware, Preware Alpha, and Uber-Kernel |
| 13:08.32 | nt4cats | that was officially wierd |
| 13:08.46 | rwhitby | nt4cats: what happened? |
| 13:08.57 | nt4cats | I unstalled alpha (using classic), and then I clicked install alpha -- and saw byte counts during the download |
| 13:09.25 | nt4cats | I can't believe I imagined that, but that's what I think I saw |
| 13:10.42 | rwhitby | I can believe that - it's my "don't remove if there will still be one left" logic in the prerms |
| 13:10.43 | nt4cats | classic backend appears to be running (didn't do a java restart) ... |
| 13:11.31 | rwhitby | the alpha prerm is designed to *not* stop the service if you have both classic and alpha installed |
| 13:11.55 | nt4cats | hmmm, no byte counts when downloading feeds when running alpha |
| 13:12.00 | nt4cats | what I did: |
| 13:12.06 | rwhitby | (since after we update to Preware 1.0, lots of people will hit uninstall on Preware Alpha, and you don't want that to remove the service) |
| 13:12.27 | nt4cats | launch classic, remove alpha, install alpha, close classic, launch alpha, restart java, close alpha, launch alpha |
| 13:12.40 | rwhitby | (and that has to be in Preware Alpha for the version *before* the version at which we transition to Preware 1.0 |
| 13:13.06 | mikewx | goes to install this alpha thing everyone's so hot on |
| 13:13.09 | rwhitby | nt4cats: as long as you never lost the ability to install a package, then my efforts have paid off |
| 13:13.35 | nt4cats | I believe that I have always been able to install packages, yes |
| 13:13.39 | swisstomcat | bbl .. i'm off to new york |
| 13:14.09 | rwhitby | nt4cats: that is why we don't have Preware 1.0 released yet, cause I've been working on making these scenarios fail-safe |
| 13:14.28 | rwhitby | cause 200,000 people are going to be doing it |
| 13:16.17 | nt4cats | I don't see any jars with the (case-insensitive) substring "webos", "man", or "mgr" in them running, so I would say that the classic/java backend is not running |
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| 13:18.58 | nt4cats | .. and I don't see an installed package for it, either (assuming it is called "org.webosinternals.{something}") |
| 13:20.03 | nt4cats | okay, c-language is running (I just installed save/restore and saw byte counts) |
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| 14:07.12 | rwhitby | posts the facts of webos-internals kernel development and Super PreKernel at http://forums.precentral.net/showpost.php?p=2419433 |
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| 14:12.22 | bpadalino|work | the time has come: a fact's a fact |
| 14:20.10 | ytz | rwhitby: makes for a good read. |
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| 14:43.36 | rwhitby | bpadalino|work: nice reference :) |
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| 14:49.04 | bpadalino|work | i thought you'd like it |
| 14:51.16 | ytz | (That's the 2nd reference to midnight oil I've heard in 2010. Haven't heard those guys in yeeeears) |
| 14:52.02 | bpadalino|work | they were just on the radio here, which made me think of it |
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| 15:14.24 | rwhitby | ytz: my computer name is "oils" |
| 15:14.41 | rwhitby | has been for the last 18 years |
| 15:16.10 | nt4cats | hates computers |
| 15:16.23 | rwhitby | CPU Scaler Ultimate is now free |
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| 15:41.58 | sbromwich | rwhitby: what was the diff syntax you wanted for patches? diff -BuN? |
| 15:45.17 | rwhitby | sbromwich: diff -BurN is what I use |
| 15:47.41 | ytz | rwhitby: re "oils" - wicked :) |
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| 15:48.15 | rwhitby | ytz: I think I changed the name of my first computer just after I saw them live on the Gold Coast. |
| 15:48.39 | ytz | :) |
| 15:49.07 | sbromwich | ta |
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| 15:49.51 | nt4cats | recommends NOT clicking the little 'X' at the top-right corner of your window to activate it |
| 15:50.48 | ytz | hee |
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| 15:59.30 | rwhitby | bbt - night all - don't forget to test the Preware versions in the testing feed - they should update kernels nicely now |
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| 16:13.07 | mikewx | mytether is the worst $15 i've ever spent |
| 16:13.33 | halfhalo_T400 | Gotta love "donationware" |
| 16:13.43 | mikewx | would be fine if it worked |
| 16:14.00 | mikewx | but as it stands i'm kinda pissed and thinking of reporting him to paypal~ |
| 16:14.16 | halfhalo_T400 | how is it not working? |
| 16:14.38 | mikewx | same problem a bunch of other people in teh forums are having, and no response from author at all |
| 16:14.45 | halfhalo_T400 | ah |
| 16:14.45 | halfhalo_T400 | yeah |
| 16:14.47 | mikewx | course those forums aren't shown till yo pay |
| 16:15.06 | mikewx | i can connect to the wifi spot, but i have local access only (can only ping pre) |
| 16:15.10 | halfhalo_T400 | or until they crash, where the password is displayed |
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| 16:17.53 | dirs | hi |
| 16:18.13 | oilsworkn | hi |
| 16:18.20 | halfhalo_T400 | ola |
| 16:19.22 | dirs | i'm trying to update (with) meta-doctor. I put my phone on "usb mode" (power + volume up) but doctor says "we were unable to reset your phone" |
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| 16:22.43 | oilsworkn | doesn't know anything about the meta-doctor or he would try to help |
| 16:23.38 | iSmite | umm, been a while, but i spoke to someone in here once who was used to working with midi, if that someones here can u pm me please- at a bit of a loss |
| 16:23.43 | halfhalo_T400 | doesn't have linux running right now or he would help. And he really needs to finish the minimeta script |
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| 16:24.53 | halfhalo_T400 | actually, the script is pretty much done except for the repackaging of the doctor |
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| 16:26.16 | oilsworkn | looks at halfhalo_T400 with disgust |
| 16:26.28 | halfhalo_T400 | awwww, why now... |
| 16:28.36 | dirs | how can I errase everything from pre? I'm runing meta-doctor 1.4.1 and I failed installing doctor or meta-doctor 1.4.1.1 |
| 16:31.49 | halfhalo_T400 | use an older, IE pre 1.3 doctor |
| 16:32.43 | en0x | first do full erase then doctor it |
| 16:32.52 | en0x | to get rid of everything |
| 16:34.13 | halfhalo_T400 | needs to find sources for his speech on why video games are art.... arg |
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| 16:42.09 | Templarian | http://twitter.com/palm/status/13314449433 <- Never saw Palm do that before. |
| 16:42.22 | halfhalo_T400 | that the theme one? |
| 16:42.57 | oilsworkn | they've talked about stuff before |
| 16:43.13 | Templarian | Oh, must have missed it. |
| 16:43.35 | oilsworkn | non-official stuff that is |
| 16:43.38 | Templarian | http://twitter.com/palm/status/13314623650 |
| 16:43.45 | oilsworkn | sadly, i go to look at the theme and: "OH NOES! This theme is currently unavailable. This may be because the author is making changes, check back shortly!" |
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| 16:45.53 | HattCzech_work | after installing the uber-kernel, i only need to remove it to restore the original, correct? |
| 16:45.54 | Templarian | Palm's little marketing people must have fun picking the best tweets retweet how they feel as a company. |
| 16:46.07 | HattCzech_work | or do i need to install the default one once i've removed the uber? |
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| 16:55.10 | oilsworkn | HattCzech_work: AFAIK, uninstalling uber reverts you to what you had before you installed it |
| 16:55.21 | HattCzech_work | excellent |
| 16:55.28 | HattCzech_work | thanks, oil |
| 16:55.50 | oilsworkn | though i could be totally wrong |
| 16:55.53 | HattCzech_work | sadly, i'm unable to use the uber-kernel governors, so i'll stick with the stock one for now |
| 16:56.04 | oilsworkn | open govnah after you remove it, if you get no temp, then its gone |
| 16:56.57 | HattCzech_work | yeah, i checked that |
| 16:57.14 | HattCzech_work | then i tried to change the governor from userspace and it killed my phone |
| 16:57.25 | HattCzech_work | so i removed govnah as well |
| 16:59.24 | oilsworkn | weeps |
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| 17:17.58 | bpadalino|work | rwhitby has been busy on a side project it seems: http://www.adelaide.edu.au/news/news39161.html |
| 17:21.32 | oilsworkn | what makes you say that? |
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| 17:23.03 | bpadalino|work | he lives in adelaide |
| 17:23.15 | nt4cats | he is part Mammoth |
| 17:23.21 | oilsworkn | lol |
| 17:23.29 | bpadalino|work | the pieces just fit |
| 17:24.29 | nt4cats | wishes he could magically transmogriphy his Pre into a Pre Plus (but stay on Sprint) |
| 17:24.50 | oilsworkn | has wished that before |
| 17:25.48 | nt4cats | At least 50% of the time I want to fire up a 3D game it is to pacify a 5-year-old ... and "wait while Daddy reboots the phone" is not helpful when he's already impatient |
| 17:26.05 | oilsworkn | lol |
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| 17:26.45 | oilsworkn | i find tossing all my cards will usually let me launch a 3d game |
| 17:26.59 | nt4cats | wishes his computer would go faster ... trying to display a few lines 119 million lines into a file ... (current command "tail -n +119830455 aggregate_geo_fact_phy.dat") |
| 17:27.23 | nt4cats | it is just data, show it to me already! |
| 17:28.16 | oilsworkn | that doesn't sound like any fun at all |
| 17:31.14 | nt4cats | oilsworkn: I have an 18G file that is a CSV dump of a database table (I don't have much choice in the dump format, the toolset for this datawarehouse appliance is limited), and it is failing on load/import. It is a lot of fun trying to figure out and fix whatever is making it unhappy |
| 17:31.51 | oilsworkn | wouldn't exactly call that fun |
| 17:31.57 | oilsworkn | :) |
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| 17:50.27 | sbromwich | nt4cats: split might be helpful to cut the file into more manageable chunks, tail has to seek all the way through counting lines |
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| 17:57.15 | nt4cats | sbromwich: I know the error is very close to line 119830460, but don't know the byte offset (as this is a CSV the lines are variable in length) |
| 17:58.01 | sbromwich | split -l 119830400 filename? |
| 17:58.07 | nt4cats | sbromwich: .... so the whole command of "tail -n +119830450 aggregate_geo_fact_phy.dat | head -20 > the_lines.dat" has given me a snippet of the data |
| 17:58.17 | nt4cats | sbromwich: but spilt has to count the lines, too, right? |
| 17:58.46 | sbromwich | yeah, but only the once... then it's a lot easier to manipulate after ;-) |
| 17:59.29 | chrisa | morning internet |
| 17:59.34 | nt4cats | sbromwich: I'm only running tail once ... |
| 17:59.47 | sbromwich | ah fair enough |
| 17:59.53 | nt4cats | ... because now I'm looking at the 20-line "the_lines.dat" file :) |
| 18:00.00 | sbromwich | heh |
| 18:00.34 | sbromwich | hmmm... I seem to have lost the WAN interface on my phone |
| 18:00.41 | sbromwich | that's... unfortunate |
| 18:01.20 | halfhalo | its the damn WAN gnomes |
| 18:01.58 | sbromwich | dunno, I've even taken the drastic (*cough*) step of booting the stock palm kernel |
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| 18:05.44 | Marajin | sbromwich: WAN? WAN? we don't need no steenking WAN! |
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| 18:09.25 | nt4cats | sbromwich: [waving my hand] These are not the WAN interfaces you're looking for. Move along. |
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| 18:10.58 | oilsworkn | sbromwich on the stock kernel? |
| 18:11.03 | oilsworkn | marks calendar |
| 18:11.40 | Marajin | oilsworkn: you been counting down to d-day on your sneaky wan destroying pre virus? |
| 18:12.13 | oilsworkn | the virus is called preware! muwhahahaa |
| 18:12.34 | oilsworkn | kids |
| 18:13.24 | mischko | I try updating or removing a patch (No Auto-Off While Charging) and it gives me an error. The ipkg log file is not there when I ssh in to look at it and I can't get rid of the patch. |
| 18:14.09 | Marajin | oilsworkn: mmh :p I wouldn't put it passed you! |
| 18:14.31 | oilsworkn | is a perfect angel |
| 18:15.10 | oilsworkn | mischko: i dont believe the ipkg log is actually stored on device, its just whats returned when ipkg tries to install something through preware |
| 18:15.22 | oilsworkn | if you see a message telling you to look at it, go to the app menu and select ipkg log |
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| 18:16.06 | mischko | A button shows up with "Ok" and one with "IPKG log". I look at it there (or in the menu) and see a file referenced in the Prerm section. |
| 18:16.14 | mischko | That file is not on the device. |
| 18:16.32 | mischko | It's a "rejects" fiel. |
| 18:16.33 | mischko | file |
| 18:16.37 | oilsworkn | ah |
| 18:16.58 | mischko | ... bar-assistant.js.rej |
| 18:17.05 | oilsworkn | well, i don't know anything about patch errors |
| 18:17.08 | mischko | K. |
| 18:17.11 | oilsworkn | or i would try to help |
| 18:17.14 | mischko | thanks anyway! |
| 18:17.24 | mischko | Someone here may chime in that's up to speed on this. |
| 18:17.24 | oilsworkn | if dBsooner was here he would help you im sure |
| 18:17.56 | mischko | dBsooner, ping |
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| 18:22.58 | sbromwich | oilsworkn: even on the stock kernel... doesn't even see a ppp0 device to ifconfig up |
| 18:29.37 | oilsworkn | has no clue |
| 18:29.46 | dirs | hm.. someone know where can I find a older version of doctor? |
| 18:30.07 | oilsworkn | didn't they remove a lot of the old ones? |
| 18:30.43 | oilsworkn | you can try out: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Webos_Doctor_Versions |
| 18:30.49 | oilsworkn | see if the link you want works |
| 18:31.04 | dirs | don't work. I need an older version |
| 18:31.59 | dirs | at least I think that I need an older one.. cause 1.4.1.1 (with or without meta) says that aren't enable to do their think.. |
| 18:32.01 | oilsworkn | well, we can't redistribute the doctor |
| 18:32.23 | oilsworkn | i remember someone saying they found a torrent with a bunch of old doctors in it |
| 18:32.31 | oilsworkn | but i have no clue where it came from |
| 18:33.13 | dirs | will search but if someone have here can send for me? |
| 18:33.31 | oilsworkn | its illegal for us to redistribute it |
| 18:34.52 | Lumiere | oilsworkn: why is it illegal to redistribute? |
| 18:35.24 | dirs | i found some torrent but without seeds etc.. maybe it's really illegal.. but ... |
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| 18:35.31 | oilsworkn | from that doctor versions page: |
| 18:35.32 | oilsworkn | "RESTRICTIONS: The Software is licensed for use only with the single Palm device you originally purchased, and you may not distribute or make the Software available over a network or for use with multiple devices. The Software and supporting documentation may be copied only as necessary for backup or archive purposes in support of your use of the Software." |
| 18:36.42 | Lumiere | yay for contridictions! |
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| 18:36.59 | RamsesFSFE | that's why I love free software |
| 18:37.03 | oilsworkn | if we could distribute it, im sure we would have working links to them all on the wiki |
| 18:37.08 | Lumiere | also |
| 18:37.23 | Lumiere | that is likely a violation of the GPL |
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| 18:40.32 | jacques | sbromwich: ifconfig -a doesn't show ppp0 ? |
| 18:40.40 | dirs | I just want that my pre works and if possible with meta doctor because I am in Brazil, so need to pass the activation. ideally with 1.4.1.1 to use the PDK. so I could go back to the development and stop procrastinating: P |
| 18:41.24 | oilsworkn | so you downloaded 1411 and the metadoc isn't working on it? |
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| 18:42.12 | oilsworkn | two wircers in a row |
| 18:42.22 | oilsworkn | really needs to get PuffTheMagic to fix the service so we can release a 010 |
| 18:42.26 | zsoc_wirc | webos would be near perfect if I could stop the luna restarts while wircing and musicing |
| 18:42.30 | oilsworkn | its so much more better then 004 |
| 18:42.39 | PuffTheMagic | oilsworkn: fix how? |
| 18:42.48 | zsoc_wirc | oilsworkn: you need to convert to plugin and catalog release |
| 18:42.50 | PuffTheMagic | or r u just talking about the poll too much |
| 18:42.57 | oilsworkn | make lag meeter not kill battery |
| 18:43.00 | oilsworkn | yeah, that |
| 18:43.04 | oilsworkn | and, there was something else |
| 18:43.05 | PuffTheMagic | if someone gets it into autobuilder |
| 18:43.07 | oilsworkn | oh, the \ bug |
| 18:43.09 | oilsworkn | or / |
| 18:43.11 | PuffTheMagic | than is like a 2second fix |
| 18:43.11 | oilsworkn | one of ht ways |
| 18:43.15 | PuffTheMagic | and actually |
| 18:43.16 | jacques | wirc has a lag meter? |
| 18:43.18 | PuffTheMagic | if u make a option for it |
| 18:43.22 | oilsworkn | in 010 it does |
| 18:43.22 | PuffTheMagic | in the prefs |
| 18:43.25 | PuffTheMagic | u can just set it |
| 18:43.26 | dirs | oilsworkn: isn't working. before I was with 141 w/ metadoctor |
| 18:43.27 | jacques | ah :-) |
| 18:43.30 | PuffTheMagic | jacques: it has for a long as time |
| 18:43.36 | PuffTheMagic | just never released it ;) |
| 18:43.39 | oilsworkn | a long long time |
| 18:43.40 | oilsworkn | lol |
| 18:43.48 | oilsworkn | practically, since 004 was out the door |
| 18:43.59 | PuffTheMagic | yeah day after basically |
| 18:44.00 | PuffTheMagic | :D |
| 18:44.05 | oilsworkn | but that, and that escape bug |
| 18:44.09 | zsoc_wirc | Ok everyone stop. |
| 18:44.13 | dirs | oilsworkn: now when I run doctor or metadoctor both "are unable to..." |
| 18:44.35 | oilsworkn | dirs i dont know anything about the metadoc, you're going to want to talk to rwhitby, im sure he'll be able to fix you up |
| 18:44.35 | zsoc_wirc | We need to either get sb2 working on the autobuilder, or port the script for staging package headers and libs without sb2 |
| 18:44.44 | zsoc_wirc | it's holding back too many things |
| 18:45.01 | oilsworkn | waits for zsoc to get it going |
| 18:45.11 | zsoc_wirc | oilsworkn: I has not the time or talent |
| 18:45.18 | oilsworkn | wtf |
| 18:45.23 | zsoc_wirc | jacques: you, what is the verdict on sb2 with the new mobo? |
| 18:45.25 | jacques | I am stumped on the sb2 (really qemu-arm ?) problems on the autobuilder - only thing I can come up with is it's a AMD virtualization bug |
| 18:45.41 | dirs | then... forgetting the piracy thing. someone could provide 1.3.5 to I try to fix the things (by that I read an old doctor is the way to work) |
| 18:45.50 | jacques | zsoc_wirc: I am still seeing sb2-init errors with new MB |
| 18:46.03 | zsoc_wirc | jacques: ok, well find a way to convert the current .mk's to suppose staging outside of optware downloads :p |
| 18:46.33 | jacques | zsoc_wirc: parse error |
| 18:47.36 | jacques | biab - gotta check something in the warehouse |
| 18:47.57 | oilsworkn | that doesn't sound like making wirc work |
| 18:48.16 | oilsworkn | :) |
| 18:48.52 | oilsworkn | PuffTheMagic: an option for what in prefs? |
| 18:48.55 | oilsworkn | to disable the lag meeter? |
| 18:48.58 | oilsworkn | or to set the speed? |
| 18:49.14 | PuffTheMagic | set the polling freq for the lag meter |
| 18:49.19 | PuffTheMagic | in seconds |
| 18:49.23 | PuffTheMagic | or usec |
| 18:49.25 | PuffTheMagic | idont care |
| 18:50.07 | oilsworkn | does the subscription already support passing the rate? |
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| 18:51.03 | swisstomcat | rehi |
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| 18:52.39 | oilsworkn | every time i see someone join on wirc, it makes me want to release an update :) |
| 18:53.49 | swisstomcat | i'm taking a break in denver |
| 18:54.28 | oilsworkn | flying home? |
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| 18:56.53 | phil_bw | dtzWill, you around? |
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| 18:57.41 | swisstomcat | going to new york before flying home tomorrow |
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| 19:01.28 | zsoc_wirc | jooray for luna restarts |
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| 19:05.14 | sbromwich | jacques: bsl0, eth0 and lo0 is all I got |
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| 19:14.17 | PuffTheMagic | oil: i dont remember if i made that subscribale yet |
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| 19:14.43 | PuffTheMagic | oil: idk what is going to be a good value anyway |
| 19:14.47 | PuffTheMagic | so we should release it how it is |
| 19:14.54 | PuffTheMagic | and then people will like it or not |
| 19:15.03 | PuffTheMagic | then in the next version add the pref to adjust it |
| 19:15.09 | PuffTheMagic | so everyone is happy ;0 |
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| 19:31.28 | jacques | sbromwich: is the driver module loaded? |
| 19:32.16 | zsoc_wirc | jacques: so what exactly is the incompatibility? sb2 with amd6d? |
| 19:32.34 | jacques | sbromwich: you've tried the classic "airplane mode on, airplane mode off" workaround? |
| 19:33.13 | jacques | zsoc_wirc: I was seeing segfaults running qemu-arm in the autobuilder env, which is a Xen VM running on AMD hardware |
| 19:33.17 | sbromwich | well, I was in airplane mode all last week, and just turned it off this morning |
| 19:33.29 | sbromwich | running doctor on it now to see what happens next |
| 19:33.45 | zsoc_wirc | jacques: explain why there is a xenon vm running on an amd chip? |
| 19:33.49 | jacques | sbromwich: if you are doctoring, that implies even rebooting didn't fix it? |
| 19:33.55 | sbromwich | jacques: correct |
| 19:34.06 | jacques | ugh. |
| 19:34.11 | sbromwich | not even rebooting to stock palm kernel |
| 19:34.55 | jacques | zsoc_wirc: XEN - several VMs are run on the autobuilder physical server |
| 19:35.09 | zsoc_wirc | hm. I see |
| 19:35.22 | jacques | but I had seen two other ppl complaining about sb2 not working for them, and they were also on AMD procs |
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| 19:35.31 | jacques | personally I only have intel to test with |
| 19:35.34 | zsoc_wirc | jacques: did we gdb bt the segfaults? or does sb2 spit out a nice log? |
| 19:35.46 | ka6sox | jacques, okay so you think its really an AMD issue :P |
| 19:36.20 | jacques | sb2 log only includes the qemu-arm segfault - I can show you where it writes it |
| 19:36.30 | jacques | I tried and was unable to get qemu-arm to dump core :-\ |
| 19:36.47 | ka6sox | okay I'll look there..where is it? |
| 19:36.47 | jacques | I mean it would segfault, say it was dumping core, but I never found toe corefiles |
| 19:36.55 | zsoc_wirc | interesting |
| 19:37.10 | zsoc_wirc | maybe I should give it a whirl |
| 19:37.22 | jacques | ka6sox: I cannot ssh from work, I need to bring my laptop up to find the exact location |
| 19:37.36 | ka6sox | later then |
| 19:37.41 | zsoc_wirc | jacques: I mean, in actuality, we don't need sb2 to cross compile. autobuilder already ompiles. we just need sb2 to stage libs and headers |
| 19:38.04 | zsoc_wirc | in theory we could hardcode locations in the scripts for that. not the best practice I agree |
| 19:41.54 | sbromwich | doctor seemed to do the trick |
| 19:42.17 | zsoc_wirc | in fact... |
| 19:42.22 | sbromwich | pulled my profile data down... now to see if it all comes back after rebooting... |
| 19:42.46 | zsoc_wirc | does sb2 hold any advantages for us besides the /usr/local jail links? |
| 19:43.15 | jacques | sorry. ppl keep coming into my cubicle and talking about work-related things - laptop is up now - bringing up VM to check location of logfile |
| 19:44.56 | jacques | oh great. it looks like the log is removed on successful sb2-init |
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| 19:45.22 | zsoc_wirc | but I thought it wasn't being successful? |
| 19:45.25 | jacques | all I can say without being able to login to the autobuilder is look in ~preware/.scratchbox2 for what looks like a config.log |
| 19:45.40 | jacques | zsoc_wirc: it is successful on the only machine I can get to from work which is my laptop |
| 19:45.45 | zsoc_wirc | why can't you log into autobuilder? |
| 19:46.00 | jacques | because of the ()^(*^(*^%)(_$#&89-- MF POS work firewall |
| 19:46.06 | zsoc_wirc | ah |
| 19:46.39 | ka6sox | zsoc_wirc, this is a point of contention... |
| 19:46.45 | jacques | anyway, in the config.log it shows trying to generate a runnable a.out and it fails - because of qemu-arm segfault |
| 19:47.00 | ka6sox | okay...let me look. |
| 19:47.02 | zsoc_wirc | well I might just set up a support mk script to handle staging properly from src_git and src_tgz |
| 19:47.10 | zsoc_wirc | ka6sox: where is the contention? |
| 19:47.20 | ka6sox | the work firewall. |
| 19:47.24 | zsoc_wirc | ah |
| 19:47.33 | jacques | don't be fooled by the ~preware/sb2_logs/ dir - that is not where the sb2-init logs go IIRC |
| 19:47.44 | ka6sox | okay |
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| 19:48.06 | jacques | I am so damn frustrated by the firewall here at work - can't irc except with webchat, can't ssh |
| 19:49.01 | jacques | ka6sox: also FYI, in my debugging I built my own qemu-arm binary (0.12.3 insteadl of 0.11.0 IIRC) because that had helped in the past, but in this case it did not help |
| 19:49.12 | sbromwich | jacques: I usually get around that by setting up ssh on port 443 on a spare ip, ssl is usually permitted straight through |
| 19:49.33 | zsoc_wirc | jacques: yeah, ssh to 443 and tunnel to other ports |
| 19:49.36 | jacques | ka6sox: but the binary I built is the current active one - if you do which qemu-arm in that dir whould be a qemu-arm.orig or .backup or something |
| 19:49.37 | jacques | which you can move over the current binary |
| 19:49.53 | ka6sox | okay |
| 19:50.03 | ka6sox | let me poke around a bit an look. |
| 19:50.17 | jacques | I gotta run to warehouse floor - biab |
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| 19:55.41 | MetaView | huhu |
| 19:55.53 | MetaView | I need the link to submit a patch |
| 19:57.11 | ka6sox | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:57.25 | MetaView | thank you |
| 19:57.39 | ka6sox | yw |
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| 20:07.57 | ytz | aight. Gona see if I can make mysefl do something about teh lawnz0r |
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| 20:18.56 | FuMan | asdf |
| 20:19.04 | MetaView | I need to know how to submit a patch with an icon file included, who can help me? |
| 20:19.35 | FuMan | rwhitby: hell of a kernel rant you tweeted the other day |
| 20:19.40 | FuMan | cleared up a lot of stuff |
| 20:22.17 | ka6sox | MetaView, I don't see the people who can help you with that online right now...when they come online (in a little bit) then I'll point them to you. |
| 20:22.45 | MetaView | would be cool |
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| 20:31.05 | nt4cats | MetaView: if you look at a feed file (e.g. http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-patches/1.4.1.1/Packages ) you can see that a patch consists of a multi-field entry -- the "Source:" field has a JSON dictionary, one of the fields there is "Icon". |
| 20:31.25 | nt4cats | MetaView: This doesn't say much about how you're supposed to submit it, but it does tell you something about how it gets packaged/hosted. |
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| 20:58.19 | uNiXpSyChO | anyone know anything about touchstone events? |
| 20:58.53 | zsoc_wirc | uNiXpSyChO: zinge would |
| 20:59.04 | zsoc_wirc | and rod and jaycanuck know some |
| 20:59.25 | uNiXpSyChO | and they are all offline! aaarrrrgggg |
| 21:03.34 | ka6sox | lol |
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| 21:05.33 | PuffTheMagic | woot! |
| 21:05.35 | PuffTheMagic | i called it |
| 21:05.40 | PuffTheMagic | whooo!!! |
| 21:05.47 | PuffTheMagic | does a dance |
| 21:06.07 | uNiXpSyChO | called what |
| 21:07.00 | PuffTheMagic | http://www.afterdawn.com/news/article.cfm/2010/05/02/hp_drops_windows_7_from_slate_tablet_will_use_webos_variant |
| 21:07.14 | uNiXpSyChO | ohhhhhhh |
| 21:07.46 | PuffTheMagic | and it might drop intels too |
| 21:07.48 | PuffTheMagic | :D |
| 21:07.53 | PuffTheMagic | that i did not expect |
| 21:08.48 | oilsworkn | imagines wirc on tablet |
| 21:08.57 | ka6sox | can only hope they would use Cortex A9 |
| 21:09.49 | PuffTheMagic | omap36xx |
| 21:10.14 | PuffTheMagic | or omap4? |
| 21:10.39 | HattCzech_work | has anyone submitted an app to the palm web catalog with "undocumented" api calls? |
| 21:11.35 | HattCzech_work | i just read something on the precentral forums from jaycanuck about palm denying them? |
| 21:11.44 | ka6sox | omap4 wouldn't be bad. |
| 21:12.28 | ka6sox | OMAP4440 would be nice |
| 21:13.34 | ka6sox | 1+ghz Cortex A9 with dual cores. |
| 21:15.11 | jacques | OMAP4 drool |
| 21:15.42 | ka6sox | jacques, ya |
| 21:18.00 | ka6sox | it could do 1080p30 natively |
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| 21:19.05 | jacques | heck it could probably do 1080p simultaneous with the builtin display |
| 21:19.31 | ka6sox | Full HD 1080p30 multi-standard video encode/decode |
| 21:19.34 | jacques | the OMAP4 developer device TI was exhibiting at CELF ELC was driving two displays |
| 21:19.45 | jacques | and I think they said it could do three at once |
| 21:19.54 | jacques | it has a space for a pico-projector |
| 21:20.34 | ka6sox | it would be better hardware than an iPad for sure. |
| 21:20.36 | oilsworkn | im interrested to see what webos looks like on 1024x600 |
| 21:20.38 | jacques | also OMAP4 should have much faster NEON performance and SGX |
| 21:20.53 | jacques | (plus the dual A9 cores) |
| 21:21.08 | ka6sox | I heard they fixed the Pipeline problem with NEON in OMAP4. |
| 21:21.17 | jacques | heard that too |
| 21:21.40 | ka6sox | c'mon HP....do it RIGHT. |
| 21:22.20 | ka6sox | I guess this also clears up the question about why they bought Palm too...they wanted webOS. |
| 21:22.28 | ka6sox | (and a good phone) |
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| 21:25.49 | zsoc_wirc | problem is. evo comes out in june. many pre customers are coming up on premier upgrade |
| 21:25.55 | zsoc_wirc | and there is no new device |
| 21:26.14 | oilsworkn | will stick it out with the pre till new webos device |
| 21:26.59 | jacques | what OS does evo run? |
| 21:27.12 | oilsworkn | not webos |
| 21:27.31 | oilsworkn | :) |
| 21:28.00 | oilsworkn | i believe its android |
| 21:28.32 | jacques | hmm. |
| 21:28.49 | jacques | 2.1 on the n1 is almost usable |
| 21:29.50 | jacques | but I amways root for the underdog |
| 21:30.20 | oilsworkn | is palm still the underdog now that they're being bought by gigantic company? |
| 21:30.30 | jacques | definitely |
| 21:31.28 | jacques | once HP starts paying thousands of shills to post to forums and paying ^H^H^H^H^H^H revenue-sharing with carriers, then they will no longer be the underdog |
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| 21:38.50 | rwhitby | HattCzech_work: yes, Palm has automatic scanners for undocumented API calls, and they will reject any submission to any Palm channel containing such. |
| 21:40.16 | halfhalo | pictures the scanning process to be palm printing out the source code and physically scanning it into a machine that glows red evily |
| 21:41.38 | HattCzech_work | well that's unfortunate, and somewhat irritating :/ |
| 21:44.17 | rwhitby | HattCzech_work: that's necessary to maintain the bright line of app catalog security and liability |
| 21:44.33 | beelzabub | hey guys- what's going on |
| 21:44.55 | HattCzech_work | makes sense, but also makes my possible submissions pointless |
| 21:45.05 | rwhitby | hey beelzabub |
| 21:45.16 | beelzabub | what's up |
| 21:45.26 | zsoc | beelzabub: yo |
| 21:47.46 | rwhitby | beelzabub: just working how the best way to detect touchstone stuff in the kernel |
| 21:48.01 | beelzabub | what do you mean? |
| 21:48.29 | rwhitby | for the screenstate governor we've added to the kernel, we want to reliably detect placement of the device on the touchstone |
| 21:49.16 | jacques | is there a standard way to run a specific app when phone is put on touchstone? |
| 21:49.51 | HattCzech_work | jacques: i believe there are events that you can monitor for the touchstone |
| 21:50.06 | HattCzech_work | i haven't played with them, but i think i saw them when playing around |
| 21:50.26 | beelzabub | background apps can only stay alive for so long AFAIK |
| 21:50.35 | jacques | a long time ago I thought I had read about or found a control panel for configuring behavior when on touchstone, but now I cannot find it |
| 21:53.22 | beelzabub | is the detection logic even in the kernel? |
| 21:53.43 | beelzabub | i think the events are simply forwarded to userspace & the logic lives within powerd |
| 21:53.51 | beelzabub | but i'm guessing |
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| 22:26.13 | hmagoo | heh, I grew up playing soccer on a field at a 40 year old HP plant |
| 22:26.56 | oilsworkn | tell us more! |
| 22:28.24 | hmagoo | we drank the water :( |
| 22:28.43 | oilsworkn | i hear you're never supposed to drink the water |
| 22:28.57 | chrisa | At least if you just play soccer on their fields you don't have a chance to be laid off come july |
| 22:29.47 | oilsworkn | cue sad horn soundclip |
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| 22:29.59 | ka6sox | lets hope that doesn't happen chrisa |
| 22:30.12 | chrisa | I'm not actually concerned or thinking about it |
| 22:30.14 | BeeRad | Whoa. |
| 22:30.17 | chrisa | But rampant speculation fuels the internet |
| 22:30.23 | oilsworkn | lol |
| 22:30.32 | oilsworkn | like trees in a forest fire |
| 22:30.35 | ka6sox | well...I'm happy to see HP pick up webos for the slate. |
| 22:31.03 | chrisa | (no one has confirmed a webos slate) |
| 22:31.25 | oilsworkn | they all but said it |
| 22:31.45 | chrisa | "She all but said it" is not a good defense in court |
| 22:31.55 | oilsworkn | including pictures of webos photoshopped on the slate |
| 22:31.56 | oilsworkn | lol |
| 22:32.12 | BeeRad | "beyond all reasonable doubt". It's coming. |
| 22:32.14 | BeeRad | lol |
| 22:32.27 | ka6sox | chrisa, okay I'll save it till the official announcement. |
| 22:34.03 | BeeRad | Rod pointed me to the IRC, how often does he come around? |
| 22:35.09 | ka6sox | BeeRad, fairly often. |
| 22:36.08 | BeeRad | I know Govnah is in the test feed for a reason, but am I the only one thats seeing more bugginess in today release? |
| 22:36.18 | BeeRad | todays* |
| 22:36.24 | oilsworkn | that doesn't sound right |
| 22:36.42 | oilsworkn | not much really changed |
| 22:36.49 | ka6sox | hmmm. |
| 22:36.52 | BeeRad | Maybe I hadn't seen it before. |
| 22:36.58 | oilsworkn | what is happening? |
| 22:37.01 | FuMan | oilsworkn, will time in freq eventually gets its own fullscreen stage? |
| 22:37.07 | BeeRad | Ok here goes: |
| 22:37.10 | oilsworkn | eventually |
| 22:37.20 | FuMan | k, was just curious it was gonna get permahatecrimed |
| 22:37.22 | BeeRad | So I have the screenstate working... |
| 22:37.23 | oilsworkn | itl be a stacked-100% line graph |
| 22:37.34 | FuMan | Also, i just noticed the toggle for Palm dark |
| 22:37.43 | BeeRad | Dark is awesome btw. |
| 22:37.44 | FuMan | good work on making the graphs sexy enough on the main scene to look good in both |
| 22:38.07 | FuMan | also, for what its worth |
| 22:38.10 | oilsworkn | the full-screen time_in_state graph will be something like this: http://infosthetics.com/archives/dailyradar_graph.jpg |
| 22:38.15 | FuMan | i have no idea what app cat flicker is, and I've never seen it |
| 22:38.16 | oilsworkn | but with appropriate data obv |
| 22:38.51 | oilsworkn | a stacked-100% line graph |
| 22:38.57 | FuMan | and I'm assuming |
| 22:39.02 | FuMan | with that new 5 minutes of data thing |
| 22:39.07 | FuMan | leaving govnah open isn't gonna rape muh luna no more? |
| 22:39.13 | BeeRad | So in screenstate its 500/800. When the screen dims before shutting off, Govnah is showing 500mhz, but if I tap on the screen to bring it back up before it turns off compeletely, it stays locked at 500mhz with the screen on. |
| 22:39.15 | oilsworkn | not as much as it did before |
| 22:39.21 | BeeRad | I have to reset screenstate at that point. |
| 22:39.28 | oilsworkn | BeeRad: thats not really a govnah problem |
| 22:39.33 | sbromwich | oilsworkn: have you looked at the rrd methodology for storing data for handling data over longer periods of time? |
| 22:39.39 | oilsworkn | it just sets the settings, not actually control them |
| 22:39.44 | BeeRad | Ok. |
| 22:39.50 | FuMan | BeeRad |
| 22:39.50 | FuMan | also |
| 22:39.55 | FuMan | if you cat time_in_state |
| 22:40.02 | FuMan | you'll seen that screenstate is indeed working |
| 22:40.09 | oilsworkn | problems with the screenstate governor should be directed to uNiXpSyChO :) |
| 22:40.14 | FuMan | my govnah reports 500 every now and then in screenstate when it shouldn't |
| 22:40.19 | oilsworkn | sbromwich somewhat? |
| 22:40.29 | FuMan | but if you have govnah open, when you dim the screen |
| 22:40.35 | FuMan | when it returns, it should start reporting 800 accurately |
| 22:40.40 | oilsworkn | im still looking to the service to be dumping data to a file |
| 22:40.42 | oilsworkn | not the app |
| 22:40.58 | sbromwich | oilsworkn: ok, just wanted to check you were aware of it, it's a fairly elegant way to scale out for longer term without taking up a pile of space |
| 22:41.15 | FuMan | sbromwich, anything new or scary to play with? |
| 22:41.17 | BeeRad | I *know* its not just showing 500 and it *is* 500. Its sluggish as hell afterwards. |
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| 22:41.41 | uNiXpSyChO | BeeRad: is your screen brightness settings turned down low? |
| 22:41.43 | FuMan | hrm |
| 22:41.47 | FuMan | then yeah |
| 22:41.47 | BeeRad | Sorry, Im not a dev and Im new to this stuff. Trying to learn. |
| 22:41.51 | FuMan | its probably the screen brightness issue |
| 22:41.56 | FuMan | i didn't think to mention that |
| 22:42.01 | BeeRad | Yes, it is. |
| 22:42.04 | BeeRad | 20% or so. |
| 22:42.07 | sbromwich | FuMan: www.fop.ns.ca/pre/uImage.141-10.24_hansolo is the latest |
| 22:42.08 | BeeRad | Is that it? |
| 22:42.14 | FuMan | do you have any of the patches |
| 22:42.19 | FuMan | installed, that lower the threshold? |
| 22:42.26 | oilsworkn | hansolo? back to starwars from the startrek path i set you on? |
| 22:42.34 | sbromwich | uNiXpSyChO insisted |
| 22:42.38 | sbromwich | brb |
| 22:42.39 | uNiXpSyChO | BeeRad: are you using brightness unlinked? |
| 22:42.42 | FuMan | if its actually 20 percent, that should be alright |
| 22:42.50 | BeeRad | No, I just just manually have it turned low. |
| 22:42.52 | FuMan | ive noticed no issues, and im a bit below that |
| 22:42.53 | BeeRad | Battery life. |
| 22:42.54 | oilsworkn | lets just get this out of the way, startrek > starwars :) |
| 22:43.05 | FuMan | false. |
| 22:43.09 | oilsworkn | stab! |
| 22:43.13 | oilsworkn | lol |
| 22:43.16 | FuMan | xboxlivefriends. |
| 22:43.23 | FuMan | You checked out Reach today? |
| 22:43.38 | oilsworkn | its probably done downloading at my house right now |
| 22:43.42 | FuMan | my douchebag facebook friends are rubbing it in my face, but I gotta hold strong and not install till after my first round of finals :/ |
| 22:43.43 | oilsworkn | but, im still at work for another hour or so |
| 22:43.48 | ka6sox | I remember sneaking to watch star trek.... |
| 22:43.48 | ka6sox | :D |
| 22:44.20 | FuMan | apparently, in air assassinations are about as fun as softcore porn |
| 22:44.42 | oilsworkn | is unsure how to interpret that analogy |
| 22:44.56 | uNiXpSyChO | BeeRad: the next version of Uber should fix that |
| 22:45.15 | BeeRad | Screen was at 20%, screenstate selected, I would let the screen go to dim, tap the screen, it would move to 500mhz, I would tap the screen to do something and it would not resume back to 800. It would stay at 500. Not just buy the Govnah readout, but it was sluggish as heck. |
| 22:45.57 | FuMan | oilsworkn, softcore porn is pretty cool. |
| 22:46.19 | uNiXpSyChO | BeeRad: yeah. programmer assumed the dim statre would never get that low. flame him! |
| 22:46.23 | FuMan | yet, is still kinda family friendly O_o |
| 22:46.34 | FuMan | uNiXpSyChO, i see what you did there. |
| 22:46.38 | oilsworkn | what kind of family do you come from? |
| 22:46.41 | BeeRad | Whoops, remove "tap the screen" after go dim. Lost my thought. |
| 22:46.50 | FuMan | oilsworkn, a pretty cool one o_O |
| 22:46.55 | oilsworkn | obviously |
| 22:46.56 | uNiXpSyChO | FuMan: yeah i know... i see my bug |
| 22:47.20 | FuMan | uNiXpSyChO, delicious governer regardless |
| 22:47.29 | uNiXpSyChO | needs a drink so he can code better |
| 22:47.31 | FuMan | i bet the battery savings vs performance will be unbelievable |
| 22:47.38 | FuMan | if that 125 wakeup is no longer an issue |
| 22:47.48 | ka6sox | BeeRad, see...this is the fastest bug fixing you can find. |
| 22:47.53 | jacques | anyone know if MTU can be specified in /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 22:48.03 | uNiXpSyChO | FuMan: sbromwich is working on the wakeup problems |
| 22:48.16 | BeeRad | Did I just report a bug? |
| 22:48.19 | FuMan | then we are in good hands :> |
| 22:48.19 | BeeRad | lol |
| 22:48.45 | FuMan | sbromwich, was there an updated config that likes to party with han? |
| 22:48.59 | uNiXpSyChO | BeeRad: something like that ;-) |
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| 22:49.20 | jacques | oh, apparently it can :-) now I wonder if busybox / buildroot supports it ... |
| 22:49.41 | sbromwich | FuMan: www.fop.ns.ca/pre/config.141-10.2_kahn (all that changed was code) |
| 22:49.53 | BeeRad | I probably dont even belong in here. Sorry if I dumb the conversation down. |
| 22:50.02 | FuMan | sbromwich, danke, ill report if i see anything odd |
| 22:50.13 | FuMan | any major changes since kahn? |
| 22:50.16 | ka6sox | jacques, MTU= |
| 22:50.17 | uNiXpSyChO | requests Steve's new kernel to be bobafett |
| 22:50.45 | sbromwich | FuMan: as soon as I get my git incompetence sorted out by rwhitby the prcm power patches should get shoved into the uber kernel |
| 22:50.53 | sbromwich | uNiXpSyChO: if you insist... |
| 22:51.10 | FuMan | also |
| 22:51.17 | FuMan | i sod Rod mention it in a epic forum rant |
| 22:51.21 | sbromwich | uNiXpSyChO: next go I'm going to try disabling most of the power idling stuff to see if it saves battery life (paradoxing ftw) |
| 22:51.22 | oilsworkn | was about to suggest harrymudd! |
| 22:51.31 | FuMan | but I'm a big +1 for having your kernels available in full, via preware install |
| 22:51.34 | BeeRad | So with the 125 wake up fixed for 125/800 screenstate, am I wasting money by ordering the 2600mah battery? haha |
| 22:51.35 | sbromwich | oh the troubles... ;-) |
| 22:51.57 | sbromwich | BeeRad: nope, it'll just give you even longer battery life |
| 22:52.01 | uNiXpSyChO | suspects a pocket full of fire with no power idling ;-) |
| 22:52.19 | sbromwich | uNiXpSyChO: not if the cpu is clocked down to 125 while idle |
| 22:52.35 | sbromwich | uNiXpSyChO: if I'm right in my calculations (not always...) it should double battery life |
| 22:52.54 | uNiXpSyChO | sbromwich: TI will frown at you |
| 22:53.08 | ka6sox | TI is rolling over. |
| 22:53.12 | BeeRad | lol |
| 22:53.15 | sbromwich | uNiXpSyChO: TI should release CPUs without so many errata then ;-) |
| 22:53.16 | chrisa | Your calculations assume the apps processor is the only power draw |
| 22:53.22 | uNiXpSyChO | lol |
| 22:53.38 | sbromwich | chrisa: my calculations are based on the phone being switched off most of the time |
| 22:53.41 | chrisa | Well, I should read backlog |
| 22:53.59 | jacques | my dev phone is in aitplane mode, and it only seems to be losing about 5% battery per day |
| 22:54.00 | sbromwich | *grin* |
| 22:54.42 | BeeRad | 100% at 6am and 20% by 4:30 pm. :( |
| 22:54.54 | FuMan | BeeRad, when I'm in class |
| 22:55.03 | FuMan | I lose about 60 percent, across ~5 hours |
| 22:55.08 | FuMan | roaming is a sonofawhore |
| 22:55.17 | oilsworkn | gets much better battery then you guys |
| 22:55.17 | sbromwich | I managed to get mine to 56 hours (estimated by battery monitor after 10 hours off charge) but it was a little... flakey |
| 22:55.19 | BeeRad | I feel ya. |
| 22:55.36 | oilsworkn | off the touchstone at like 7 |
| 22:55.42 | FuMan | oilsworkn, if I'm out in decent coverage, I can easily go about 8-8 |
| 22:55.49 | oilsworkn | its 4 now, and im at 57% |
| 22:55.59 | FuMan | but, i hit dead spots all day, so I just get my monoprice on |
| 22:56.10 | BeeRad | I work in a factory. Big metal building. I turn data off and use our WiFi, but the phone signal is killing me. Can't turn it off for SMS though. |
| 22:56.12 | FuMan | and have microUSBs stashed all over my common landing zones :> |
| 22:56.18 | halfhalo-studyin | Last week I pulled off touchstone at 7:30 and was dead by 2 |
| 22:56.21 | sbromwich | running powerd with -l option shows the issue quite nicely |
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| 22:56.30 | jacques | I'm not sure roaming per se is bad - it's the constant checking - when I enable roam only, I get great battery life |
| 22:56.33 | uNiXpSyChO | loathes powerd |
| 22:56.41 | FuMan | jacques, true |
| 22:56.41 | ka6sox | too |
| 22:57.17 | FuMan | doesnt know what it does, so we get along |
| 22:57.18 | BeeRad | Does anybody here rock the 2600? |
| 22:57.27 | halfhalo-studyin | nope |
| 22:57.29 | sbromwich | uNiXpSyChO: it's not powerd at fault per se, though... |
| 22:57.30 | jacques | sigh, why is 155.2 so slow :-( |
| 22:57.33 | FuMan | BeeRad, a friend at work does |
| 22:57.35 | jacques | s/155/115/ |
| 22:57.56 | PuffTheMagic | uNiXpSyChO: yeah the blackbox of powerd sucks |
| 22:57.59 | FuMan | raves about it, and then I rave about my touchstone |
| 22:58.08 | sbromwich | jacques: try 300 baud instead? ;-) |
| 22:58.13 | halfhalo-studyin | is having issues seeing his desktop screen right now. Stupid tiny pixels |
| 22:58.28 | oilsworkn | would rock the 2600 if it was touchstone-compatible |
| 22:58.29 | FuMan | halfhalo-studyin, you macbook right? |
| 22:58.29 | BeeRad | Fuman: Does it really make the Pre look like a turd? |
| 22:58.30 | jacques | in totally unrelated news, I just discovered I am in a Clear WiMAX coverage area |
| 22:58.38 | FuMan | BeeRad, oh yeah, horrid |
| 22:58.48 | oilsworkn | jacques: we got clear here |
| 22:58.48 | FuMan | jacques, say sup to the EVO for me |
| 22:58.49 | BeeRad | Oh man, youre killing me. |
| 22:58.56 | BeeRad | Function over form, right? |
| 22:59.00 | FuMan | BeeRad, the worst part is that its a really hard plastic |
| 22:59.00 | oilsworkn | its not very good internets |
| 22:59.07 | FuMan | and so hes been through two of the backs |
| 22:59.10 | FuMan | they literally shatter |
| 22:59.11 | halfhalo-studyin | I want 4G.... |
| 22:59.23 | oilsworkn | its probably ok for browsing the web |
| 22:59.26 | uNiXpSyChO | rwhitby is gonna yell at me for all this whitespace in my new patch |
| 22:59.28 | oilsworkn | but not good for gaming |
| 22:59.36 | halfhalo-studyin | and no, I'm not macbook |
| 22:59.48 | FuMan | hrm, whats your non-desktop res? |
| 22:59.49 | BeeRad | Well I would put the Seidio hard case on it as well. I have the standard one on mine now and actually like it. |
| 23:00.07 | jacques | oilsworkn: Clear WiMAX isn't good? high latency ? |
| 23:00.26 | jacques | I haven't researched it yet |
| 23:00.48 | halfhalo-studyin | Laptop has an LED LG 1440x900 screen, While the mini has a 1680x1050 dedicated screen and shares a 2048x1152 screen with the desktop which has its own 1280x1024 screen |
| 23:01.10 | jacques | 1680x1050 is a nice resolution |
| 23:01.11 | BeeRad | I dont *want* the 2600 but I cant make it through a work day man. Batt life is horrid. 1350 didn't do squat for me. |
| 23:01.14 | halfhalo-studyin | Trying to look at the 2048x1152 screen on the mini and its not happening |
| 23:01.20 | oilsworkn | yeah, its real laggy for gaming |
| 23:01.26 | jacques | oilsworkn: good to know |
| 23:01.32 | oilsworkn | maybe its because he would never get above 3 bars |
| 23:01.36 | oilsworkn | but it was no good |
| 23:02.09 | sethron|work | zsoc: i have Precorder 0.5.8, Preware detects it as that, but orange tap displays it at 0.5.6 ?? |
| 23:02.35 | oilsworkn | what preware says the version and what hte appinfo says the version is are two different numbers |
| 23:02.45 | zsoc | sethron|work: just a typo |
| 23:02.58 | sethron|work | zsoc: very well tyvm |
| 23:06.28 | BeeRad | Govnah icon not showing temp in the app launcher also. Reason? |
| 23:07.22 | halfhalo-studyin | Its on strike? |
| 23:07.32 | oilsworkn | is it closed? |
| 23:07.37 | BeeRad | lol |
| 23:07.48 | oilsworkn | 025 resets the icon to default on exit |
| 23:08.03 | oilsworkn | since its no longer monitoring temp |
| 23:08.46 | FuMan | oilsworkn, hidden secrets of "dashboard" option? |
| 23:09.29 | oilsworkn | what hidden secrets? |
| 23:09.37 | FuMan | whats it gonna do |
| 23:09.46 | BeeRad | Yeah..what he asked. |
| 23:09.47 | oilsworkn | it already does everything its going to do |
| 23:10.03 | FuMan | then why is it blocked? |
| 23:10.10 | BeeRad | Yeah what he asked... |
| 23:10.18 | FuMan | has a crew now |
| 23:10.25 | sbromwich | insufficient unicorns |
| 23:10.32 | FuMan | sbromwich, common in my life D; |
| 23:10.35 | oilsworkn | ops self to kick fumans crew from channel |
| 23:10.39 | sbromwich | *nod* |
| 23:10.55 | FuMan | :> |
| 23:10.58 | BeeRad | *shuts up* |
| 23:11.14 | oilsworkn | well, all the code is there, it just doesn't really do anything except update the icon |
| 23:11.32 | oilsworkn | basically, you toggle that, and it pops up the updateicon/pollspeed for dash-mode |
| 23:11.38 | oilsworkn | and when you toss the govnah card it spawns a dash |
| 23:11.44 | oilsworkn | which keeps doin its thing |
| 23:11.47 | oilsworkn | till you kill it |
| 23:12.19 | halfhalo-studyin | with fire? |
| 23:12.29 | oilsworkn | optional |
| 23:12.38 | oilsworkn | you could simply flick to the side |
| 23:13.03 | oilsworkn | but im thinking of putting a graph on the dash |
| 23:13.05 | oilsworkn | if its possible |
| 23:13.11 | halfhalo-studyin | Think it is |
| 23:13.25 | halfhalo-studyin | ok, my plan to use screen zoom on the mini has failed miserably |
| 23:13.35 | sbromwich | have a graph as the wallpaper? |
| 23:13.59 | oilsworkn | no on the dashboard |
| 23:14.36 | oilsworkn | to do wallpaper, we would need code to generate the new image |
| 23:14.46 | sbromwich | ahhh |
| 23:14.49 | oilsworkn | current canvas support means mojo can't do it |
| 23:14.53 | oilsworkn | the service probably could |
| 23:14.58 | oilsworkn | if you build in gd or something |
| 23:15.09 | sbromwich | *nod* |
| 23:15.24 | oilsworkn | i believe all of those weather-wallpaper apps download the image from the web |
| 23:15.32 | oilsworkn | using php or something like to generate the image |
| 23:15.48 | oilsworkn | again, i could be completely wrong though |
| 23:16.19 | FuMan | lame |
| 23:16.23 | FuMan | Weave isn't syncing muh tabs |
| 23:17.57 | oilsworkn | is going to send fuman screenshots of himself playing reach all night |
| 23:18.10 | FuMan | heh, i wouldn't waste the effort |
| 23:18.13 | FuMan | you'll be one of many |
| 23:18.16 | halfhalo-studyin | wishes he had time to play it |
| 23:18.22 | FuMan | but when your entire semester is based on 1 test |
| 23:18.30 | FuMan | i gotta buckle down |
| 23:18.38 | FuMan | I'm gonna preorder SC2 and get into the beta the day of my last final |
| 23:18.47 | FuMan | and play reach till they kill it |
| 23:18.54 | FuMan | but, lawschool is lame, and has to come first for a bit |
| 23:20.41 | oilsworkn | you gonna be a lawyer? |
| 23:20.59 | oilsworkn | lol |
| 23:21.15 | FuMan | That part is optional |
| 23:21.22 | FuMan | but, I' |
| 23:21.33 | FuMan | I'll probably end up with a JD, hopefully O_o |
| 23:21.42 | BeeRad | Ok, did I just dream this up or did I see that the graph in Gov is suppose to be multitouch for zooming? I thought I read that but cant remember and it doesnt work. |
| 23:21.58 | FuMan | BeeRad, removed when graphs got their own big scene |
| 23:22.11 | BeeRad | Ok, thanks. |
| 23:22.18 | oilsworkn | yeah, thats early build |
| 23:22.19 | oilsworkn | it was cool |
| 23:22.29 | oilsworkn | but went with smaller graphs on the main scene cause they're more sexy |
| 23:23.03 | FuMan | oilsworkn, im also assuming roadmap includes labels on zoom graphs |
| 23:23.19 | BeeRad | Oh def not complaining. Just curious. |
| 23:23.24 | oilsworkn | yeah, it does |
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| 23:23.45 | oilsworkn | http://www.webos-internals.org/images/archive/b/ba/20100425114023!Govnah_ss1.png |
| 23:23.47 | oilsworkn | is when it had scaling |
| 23:24.06 | halfhalo | yay, growl working again |
| 23:24.25 | FuMan | oilsworkn, also, that Caj banner tagline is a little more harsh now than before :> |
| 23:24.32 | BeeRad | So whens the eta on this stuff getting out of the test feeds and into the limelight? |
| 23:24.51 | oilsworkn | it was deleted in 025 |
| 23:24.58 | oilsworkn | (for the record, i didn't add it) |
| 23:25.29 | BeeRad | add? |
| 23:25.34 | FuMan | meh, I'm not concerned in anyway, just seems a bit taboo with all the rage surrounding kernel shadiness these days |
| 23:25.54 | oilsworkn | would have added it if he thought it was funny |
| 23:26.06 | FuMan | I'm just waiting for my shoutout |
| 23:26.13 | oilsworkn | thats really the only reason for random subtitles |
| 23:26.22 | oilsworkn | just so i can insert funny things that only appear every so often |
| 23:26.25 | FuMan | or perhaps, "this is why Xbox Live Friends hasn't been upgraded - fair trade" |
| 23:26.43 | oilsworkn | haha |
| 23:26.51 | oilsworkn | things keep getting in the way of xblfriends |
| 23:26.52 | FuMan | id be lying if I said I didn't look at the tagline everytime before i do something |
| 23:27.03 | oilsworkn | haha |
| 23:27.11 | FuMan | well, looking at the whole forest, I think I'm happier with govnah than that |
| 23:27.24 | oilsworkn | its not like the old version doesn't work anymore |
| 23:27.29 | FuMan | indeed |
| 23:27.35 | oilsworkn | its just not as sexy as the new version i get to play with on my pre :) |
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| 23:27.44 | FuMan | :> |
| 23:27.47 | oilsworkn | though im still not happy with the side-scrolling |
| 23:27.54 | FuMan | well, im gonna turn the monitors off, so i actually do something |
| 23:27.58 | FuMan | you kids stay fly. |
| 23:28.07 | oilsworkn | haha |
| 23:28.13 | BeeRad | later Fu |
| 23:28.13 | FuMan | enjoy the Jetpack |
| 23:28.26 | FuMan | *or Armorlock, which I think will own face. |
| 23:28.50 | oilsworkn | eh |
| 23:28.58 | oilsworkn | ill try them all :) |
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| 23:38.26 | BeeRad | Ok so what I'm seeing is when the screen is at 20% and the screen dims first, Govnah sees a drop to 500mhz. When I touch the dim screen (before off) it stays at 500mhz when I use the phone. With the screen at 50% the issues arent there and Govnah monitors the correct behavior. So dimming the screen isnt the best idea to save battery. Counter intuitive? |
| 23:39.46 | uNiXpSyChO | BeeRad: i mentioned a fix in next Uber release |
| 23:40.20 | BeeRad | Oh I know. Again, not complaining. Sorry if it came across that way. |
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