| 00:00.43 | nt4cats | donrhummy: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/IR_Proximity_Sensor http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Proximity_Sensor |
| 00:01.25 | nt4cats | donrhummy: those pages probably don't answer all of your question, but they point you in the right direction (hopefully). If you learn more, please update one or both of those pages. |
| 00:02.13 | donrhummy | nt4cats: thanks for the links but they don't really point me any closer. I've already got that info which simply tells me how to turn it on, but not how to get any feedback from it |
| 00:02.58 | donrhummy | the phone app, as far as I can tell, simply turns it on/off but never listens for when someone's gotten near it, simply that it's been activated. |
| 00:03.28 | nt4cats | donrhummy: the phone app turns off the [touch]screen when the phone is near your face ... |
| 00:04.14 | donrhummy | nt4cats: no, it doesn't. The proximity sensor turns it off. The phone app simply tells the proximity sensor to start "listening" for someone's to be near it |
| 00:04.46 | nt4cats | donrhummy: You're making a (correct) distinction that I wasn't trying to :) |
| 00:05.49 | nt4cats | donrhummy: I haven't looked into this myself, I only noticed these pages when browsing the wiki recently. |
| 00:05.56 | donrhummy | nt4cats: lol, yeah I know, but it is an important distinction since it means the phone app doesn't pay attention to whether the proximity sensor senses anything |
| 00:06.12 | nt4cats | donrhummy: I appreciate the clarification |
| 00:06.46 | donrhummy | np |
| 00:06.48 | donrhummy | :) |
| 00:07.15 | nt4cats | donrhummy: this distinction would be a good finding to document on the wiki, by the way. |
| 00:07.40 | donrhummy | I hope it is possible (but I'm betting it's not) because it opens a lot of possibilities for cool apps (such as what's indicated in the wiki you posted, which is impossible without an event from the sensor) |
| 00:08.09 | donrhummy | nt4cats: how do I do that? |
| 00:09.10 | nt4cats | donrhummy: create an account for yourself on the www.webos-internals.org website and then click on the "edit" tab that will appear at the top of the page. |
| 00:09.27 | nt4cats | (there is no "edit" tab if you're not logged in) |
| 00:10.34 | nt4cats | donrhummy: if you want to make any of the fancy formatting changes like headings, bullet points, etc. you can look at existing pages to see how to do it or there is a pretty good help/reference pop-up that you can invoke while editing |
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| 00:14.12 | nt4cats | has to go put the kids to bed |
| 00:14.45 | donrhummy | nt4cats: how's that? http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Proximity_Sensor |
| 00:14.59 | oil | dare i say best status nick change ever? |
| 00:21.58 | jhojho | argh the audio keeps dying for me on the palmcast |
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| 00:27.53 | nebula | I need the Verizon 1.4.1.1 link yesterday :) |
| 00:28.13 | rwhitby | nebula: Jason has a webOS URL guesser app |
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| 00:28.33 | nebula | ooooh goodies |
| 00:28.59 | Gray_ | awesome, this channel is alive. |
| 00:29.17 | nebula | always! |
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| 00:30.59 | bpadalino | alive!! |
| 00:31.18 | Gray_ | I was wondering about the closed source binaries used in webOS, interested in hackish ports of the platform. |
| 00:32.32 | bpadalino | can you be more specific ? |
| 00:35.13 | Gray_ | kinda, I know the OS is supported by a lot of open source components, but what I'm looking for is (optimally) a list of components that are closed source palm binaries. |
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| 00:36.26 | Gray_ | i.e. the window compositor, things that are written in C and already compiled for the specific platform, but not opensource. |
| 00:36.31 | bpadalino | how detailed of a list do you want ? |
| 00:36.49 | Gray_ | well right now just an overview |
| 00:36.52 | Gray_ | would be great |
| 00:37.11 | bpadalino | lunasysmgr (window/main GUI handler) is closed .. |
| 00:37.14 | bpadalino | bluetooth stack is closed |
| 00:37.22 | bpadalino | wifi drivers and camera drivers are closed (i think) |
| 00:38.09 | bpadalino | comms driver to talk to the modem is closed |
| 00:38.16 | Gray_ | If I ported anything I'd probably replace the bluetooth stack and wifi drivers, lunasysmgr though would be more difficult. |
| 00:38.26 | bpadalino | hid daemon is closed (keyboard, touchscreen, etc) |
| 00:38.39 | nt4cats | donrhummy: Thanks for the update (I made a minor change to your last sentence). |
| 00:38.44 | bpadalino | you want to make it a completely free and open phone ? |
| 00:38.51 | jhojho | camera drivers are closed |
| 00:38.56 | nt4cats | s/update/wiki update/ |
| 00:39.27 | Gray_ | more like an actual port of webOS to similar hardware, kind of a stretch but worth looking into for me |
| 00:39.36 | jhojho | Gray_: great if you want to attempt getting bluez or something like that working... go for it |
| 00:39.50 | bpadalino | oh, trying to get webos on other phones ? |
| 00:39.56 | Gray_ | yeah, or a dev board |
| 00:40.50 | Gray_ | the main worry is what palm has as closed source, key components of webos. like lunasysmgr. |
| 00:41.07 | bpadalino | indeed - it would be very difficult .. |
| 00:41.18 | Gray_ | getting the rest working is no problem for me. |
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| 00:42.06 | bpadalino | you can ask the fso guys (http://www.freesmartphone.org/) what they know about the closed bits if you want |
| 00:42.17 | Gray_ | will give that a shot |
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| 00:47.59 | donrhummy | nt4cats: np, thanks for the help! |
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| 00:59.34 | jhojho | is the verizon 1.4.1 update really hitting tomorrow? |
| 01:02.56 | rwhitby | jhojho: that's the rumour, based on some stuff on the verizon site |
| 01:03.18 | jhojho | k |
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| 01:13.52 | jhojho | oh nice. jawbone icon now has a2dp support |
| 01:29.29 | jhojho | half guinness half pbr |
| 01:31.53 | sbromwich | guinness and coke: it curdles. |
| 01:34.34 | jhojho | gak |
| 01:34.43 | sbromwich | that's what I thought too |
| 01:34.53 | sbromwich | it didn't get any better the longer he drank them |
| 01:36.09 | jhojho | I feel sick just reading it |
| 01:42.59 | sbromwich | *grin* |
| 01:43.14 | sbromwich | yeah, I wouldn't recommend it as anything more than a science experiment |
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| 01:48.59 | jhojho | re geist |
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| 02:00.19 | sbromwich | today's science experiment, v2: www.fop.ns.ca/pre/pt/pt.pl |
| 02:14.41 | uNiXpSyChO | sbromwich: arch/arm/mach-omap3pe/prcm_clk.c:153: error: implicit declaration of function 'cond_resched' |
| 02:15.36 | zsoc | stop declaring functions implicity, you dirty, dirty man. |
| 02:16.49 | sbromwich | hey, look at what I started with... |
| 02:17.00 | uNiXpSyChO | hehe |
| 02:17.09 | sbromwich | uNiXpSyChO: have you got an account on mason? |
| 02:17.41 | uNiXpSyChO | nope |
| 02:18.13 | sbromwich | bum... I can chuck you the prcm tarball so far if you want? |
| 02:19.07 | uNiXpSyChO | is it gonna convert my Pre to the darkside? |
| 02:20.14 | sbromwich | um |
| 02:20.22 | sbromwich | only if you use rubbing alcohol |
| 02:21.26 | uNiXpSyChO | some cheap vodka? |
| 02:22.50 | sbromwich | just replaces any udelay > 5 with cond_resched_softirq() |
| 02:23.37 | uNiXpSyChO | guess i can do that easily |
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| 02:24.15 | sbromwich | I think that's about the sum of it tbh |
| 02:24.34 | sbromwich | the "interesting" part was finding out what would let me run cond_resched_softirq and what wouldn't |
| 02:25.11 | uNiXpSyChO | lots of reboots i imagine ;-) |
| 02:26.03 | sbromwich | 38 or so |
| 02:26.34 | sbromwich | although... I wonder if checking if it's retried more than a couple of times to do a resched... |
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| 02:29.17 | sbromwich | it compiles |
| 02:29.40 | sbromwich | ship it? |
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| 02:30.10 | uNiXpSyChO | yep |
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| 02:36.37 | rhj6wbanshee | hello? |
| 02:37.02 | sbromwich | hello? |
| 02:37.21 | rhj6wbanshee | ehh i'm having trouble with Messaging Plugins |
| 02:37.33 | sbromwich | what are they? |
| 02:37.56 | rhj6wbanshee | basically all i've tried to install was an xfire plugin |
| 02:38.06 | sbromwich | ok? |
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| 02:38.39 | rhj6wbanshee | I used latest webos quick install on up to date sprint palm pre |
| 02:38.55 | rhj6wbanshee | but they don't show up |
| 02:39.00 | sbromwich | uh-huh |
| 02:39.11 | rhj6wbanshee | do you know how i can fix this? |
| 02:39.20 | sbromwich | not really, no |
| 02:39.31 | sbromwich | I play about with the internals |
| 02:39.32 | FuMan | he sounded so interested though |
| 02:39.38 | FuMan | *this* close |
| 02:39.38 | rhj6wbanshee | :| |
| 02:39.48 | sbromwich | maybe #webos? |
| 02:40.26 | rhj6wbanshee | "If you connect to #webos-internals using IRC or freenode Web IRC (qwebirc) I am there available to chat." |
| 02:40.39 | sbromwich | who is "I"? |
| 02:40.52 | rhj6wbanshee | "Greg " |
| 02:40.59 | rhj6wbanshee | from http://forums.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/205914-messaging-plugins-live-yahoo-icq.html |
| 02:41.09 | jhojho | we are not greg |
| 02:41.13 | Tibfib | he lied |
| 02:41.27 | sbromwich | <-- not greg |
| 02:41.34 | rwhitby | rhj6wbanshee: look for greg_roll - he's not around all the time |
| 02:41.59 | rhj6wbanshee | thanks |
| 02:42.14 | rhj6wbanshee | I'll come back later then |
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| 02:44.12 | uNiXpSyChO | well.... got bored and tried BFS patch (one of the many). catastrophic FAIL. |
| 02:47.27 | sbromwich | *grin* |
| 02:47.39 | sbromwich | how hard? |
| 02:47.49 | uNiXpSyChO | i'm not sure i'm in the mood to fix 15 rejects |
| 02:47.56 | uNiXpSyChO | let me look to see how bad it failed |
| 02:48.47 | sbromwich | sounds a bit excessive for this time of night |
| 02:49.51 | uNiXpSyChO | yeah... and i ran out of booze |
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| 03:02.48 | rwhitby | waits for DeadPre to charge the battery to see what state it is in |
| 03:03.06 | halfhalo_T400 | lol |
| 03:03.19 | halfhalo_T400 | how broken was it described to be? |
| 03:03.31 | rwhitby | apparently it went in water |
| 03:03.39 | halfhalo_T400 | oooo |
| 03:03.51 | rwhitby | a number of months ago |
| 03:04.23 | rwhitby | bbl (lunch time) |
| 03:04.31 | halfhalo_T400 | lunch... lucky |
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| 03:40.51 | zsoc | preoccupied: i think i fixed the buggies except 1, which i'm ok with for now |
| 03:40.59 | zsoc | preoccupied: i'll start with the play button |
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| 03:49.13 | zsoc | precorder 0.5.7 in testing feed |
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| 03:51.01 | sbromwich | zsoc: does it still feature unicorns? |
| 03:51.24 | rick-home | unicorns with WINGS??? |
| 03:51.32 | sbromwich | one can but hope |
| 03:51.32 | preoccupied | zsoc: sounds great. Think you can release tonight? |
| 03:52.25 | preoccupied | zsoc: btw, i recorded a lecture today and it seemed to work ok. Unfortunately, it seems like it stutters every few seconds....not sure if there's a way to fix that |
| 03:52.51 | preoccupied | my cpu was set to scale between 500 & 800 |
| 03:53.15 | sbromwich | preoccupied: lock the frequency would be my advice |
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| 03:54.04 | preoccupied | yeah....that'd be my guess |
| 03:54.09 | FuMan | sbromwich, whats that uname -a or whatever command again? |
| 03:54.11 | preoccupied | but it defiintely kills the battery |
| 03:54.18 | sbromwich | or don't use ondemand |
| 03:54.22 | sbromwich | FuMan: for what? |
| 03:54.28 | FuMan | checking kernel date |
| 03:54.29 | preoccupied | i was using the conservative governor |
| 03:54.40 | zsoc | preoccupied: conservative was the problem |
| 03:54.42 | sbromwich | preoccupied: if you're only using it for recording you should be able to clock down to 250MHz OK |
| 03:55.07 | zsoc | it should work with default kernel |
| 03:55.16 | preoccupied | ok, i'll try that next time |
| 03:55.17 | zsoc | preoccupied: 8000 stream |
| 03:56.21 | preoccupied | zsoc: ok, will do that as well. i recorded for ~45 minutes, and in that time went from 99 to 51% |
| 03:56.46 | preoccupied | but i'm impressed at how well the mic could pick up |
| 03:57.03 | preoccupied | i wasn't near the front of the classroom and my professor wasn't using a mike....and it still picked up the audio pretty well |
| 03:57.06 | FuMan | zsoc, im assuming its normal for media capture to never stop saying "saving"? |
| 03:57.09 | zsoc | preoccupied: there are a lot of other options as well. i'm still playing around with things |
| 03:57.14 | zsoc | FuMan: incorrect |
| 03:57.28 | zsoc | FuMan: that is a bug that happens when you stop while there is no media playing |
| 03:57.37 | FuMan | sooooo |
| 03:57.40 | zsoc | FuMan: you will find that if you leave the media playing, and hit the stop button, that will not happen |
| 03:57.45 | FuMan | its normal for the way ive used it every time |
| 03:57.45 | zsoc | that's the last bug i have to work out |
| 03:58.04 | FuMan | well, im just that awesome at finding things :> |
| 03:58.06 | zsoc | 0.5.7 fixes every stick up but that |
| 03:58.19 | zsoc | FuMan: try it again, but hit stop on precorder while leaving the media source playing |
| 03:58.24 | preoccupied | zsoc: alright, sounds good. i love it so far, definitely useful |
| 03:58.38 | zsoc | preoccupied: glad. it's not useful at all for me! lol :> |
| 03:58.44 | zsoc | except it keeps me busy |
| 03:59.51 | preoccupied | zsoc: yeah. now i don't really have to listen to my boring professors drone on....I can do other stuff and fast play the lecture later.... |
| 03:59.55 | FuMan | zsoc, you sure, are correct |
| 04:00.15 | FuMan | preoccupied, i sat recording with my phone plugged in the last couple days |
| 04:00.26 | FuMan | i keep a microusb in my backpack... this guy is normally dead by noon without |
| 04:00.47 | preoccupied | FuMan: haha...yeah, i got an extended battery. and yeah, i carry my usb everywhere |
| 04:01.03 | preoccupied | zsoc: getting the upgrade bug again... |
| 04:01.11 | zsoc | preoccupied: no you're not |
| 04:01.12 | preoccupied | zsoc: it won't launch after upgrading |
| 04:01.22 | zsoc | preoccupied: i totally fixed that |
| 04:01.34 | zsoc | preoccupied: er.. unless it was open when you upgraded? |
| 04:01.47 | preoccupied | zsoc: hmm, good question....i think it was open |
| 04:01.56 | zsoc | preoccupied: yep, that is the only thing that would cause that |
| 04:01.58 | preoccupied | zsoc: actually, i'm like 90% sure it was open |
| 04:02.01 | zsoc | unfortunately, i can't fix that |
| 04:02.11 | preoccupied | zsoc: can't you kill it before you start upgrading? |
| 04:02.13 | zsoc | i don't think /any/ app upgrades properly if it's open when you upgrade it ;) |
| 04:02.15 | halfhalo_T400 | sure you can |
| 04:02.19 | zsoc | preoccupied: I /do/ kill it |
| 04:02.27 | zsoc | preoccupied: but the subscription the app has stops that |
| 04:02.48 | FuMan | is brilliant |
| 04:02.48 | halfhalo_T400 | kill the subscrip on app close |
| 04:02.59 | preoccupied | zsoc: you can't tell luna to kill it? |
| 04:03.03 | FuMan | after being annoyed for months about palm requiring Glad Thats Not Me to be censored |
| 04:03.05 | zsoc | halfhalo_T400: i /do/, the app was /open/ when he updated it lol |
| 04:03.15 | FuMan | i just realized that I could terminal in, and remove the censor |
| 04:03.18 | FuMan | muahahha |
| 04:03.29 | zsoc | preoccupied: I'm not going to worry about it. i can't imagine how many people would try to update the app while it's open lol |
| 04:03.34 | FuMan | will now proceed forward SMS messages with naughty words :> |
| 04:03.41 | zsoc | FuMan: can you verify the app works if you update it while it's not open? |
| 04:03.42 | preoccupied | zsoc: lol, idiots like me. haha |
| 04:03.47 | preoccupied | there are a lot of us |
| 04:03.48 | FuMan | zsoc, hold |
| 04:03.55 | FuMan | well, f |
| 04:04.02 | halfhalo_T400 | I meant when luna gives the app kill signal tell app to kill sub |
| 04:04.09 | FuMan | not at the moment, as id have to manually install an old ipk |
| 04:04.19 | zsoc | ah |
| 04:04.20 | zsoc | ok |
| 04:04.33 | FuMan | but for what its worth, the last upgrade raped me proper. |
| 04:05.10 | zsoc | FuMan: that was before i fixed the postinst |
| 04:05.17 | zsoc | it /really/ should work |
| 04:05.18 | FuMan | indeed. |
| 04:05.24 | FuMan | well, my upgrade went fine |
| 04:05.26 | preoccupied | hmm |
| 04:05.27 | FuMan | but, it was closed. |
| 04:05.29 | preoccupied | not working for me |
| 04:05.34 | zsoc | ok, that's good enough for me |
| 04:05.35 | preoccupied | even after removing & reinstalling |
| 04:06.13 | preoccupied | and the moon icon is showing up as well |
| 04:06.14 | zsoc | preoccupied: yep |
| 04:06.26 | zsoc | preoccupied: because the service is /still/ running |
| 04:06.33 | preoccupied | oh...so i have to kill the service |
| 04:06.35 | preoccupied | then remove it |
| 04:06.35 | zsoc | preoccupied: and now you have .fuse files in your /bin of the app folder |
| 04:06.36 | preoccupied | ? |
| 04:06.52 | preoccupied | lol....ok |
| 04:07.03 | preoccupied | how do i clean it up? |
| 04:07.10 | zsoc | preoccupied: upstart is probably broken. you just have to manually kill the service |
| 04:07.24 | preoccupied | ok |
| 04:07.36 | zsoc | preoccupied: ps aux | grep -i precorder |
| 04:07.45 | zsoc | kill -9 <pid> |
| 04:08.17 | FuMan | what breaks least often these days |
| 04:08.20 | FuMan | terminus or terminal? |
| 04:09.30 | preoccupied | hmm...it doesn't appear to be running |
| 04:10.40 | zsoc | FuMan: terminal is 100% running these days |
| 04:11.00 | zsoc | preoccupied: verify /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications/org.webosinternals.precorder/ doesn't exist |
| 04:11.26 | preoccupied | it exists |
| 04:11.35 | preoccupied | rm -rf org.webosinternals.precorder? |
| 04:11.35 | zsoc | preoccupied: did you remove the app? |
| 04:11.41 | preoccupied | well, it's installed now |
| 04:11.50 | zsoc | preoccupied: remove the app, verify that folder doesn't exist |
| 04:12.18 | preoccupied | removed it...it still exists |
| 04:13.10 | zsoc | try to delete it |
| 04:13.47 | FuMan | zsoc, you lied to me |
| 04:13.55 | zsoc | oh my god what did i do now |
| 04:14.11 | FuMan | terminal just bit it |
| 04:14.13 | halfhalo_T400 | murder! |
| 04:14.20 | zsoc | FuMan: don't use the back gesture |
| 04:14.27 | FuMan | its still got that whole no back gesture thing eh |
| 04:14.30 | FuMan | jah, |
| 04:14.33 | preoccupied | rm -rf org.webosinternals.precorder |
| 04:14.33 | preoccupied | rm: cannot remove 'org.webosinternals.precorder/bin': Directory not empty |
| 04:14.33 | preoccupied | rm: cannot remove 'org.webosinternals.precorder': Directory not empty |
| 04:14.41 | zsoc | preoccupied: right, the service is still running |
| 04:14.48 | preoccupied | and there's nothing in either |
| 04:14.50 | preoccupied | just checked |
| 04:14.59 | zsoc | preoccupied: there is |
| 04:15.03 | zsoc | preoccupied: ls -la in /bin |
| 04:15.08 | preoccupied | oh.. |
| 04:15.08 | zsoc | you will see the 4 fuse files |
| 04:15.14 | preoccupied | ic |
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| 04:15.22 | preoccupied | ok...i'll just reboot and remove |
| 04:15.27 | preoccupied | that should fix it, right? |
| 04:15.37 | zsoc | preoccupied: it's a cryptofs thing feature |
| 04:15.40 | zsoc | preoccupied: just kill the app |
| 04:16.15 | preoccupied | but it's not... |
| 04:16.21 | zsoc | sure it is |
| 04:16.22 | preoccupied | not according to ps -aux | grep precorder |
| 04:16.55 | zsoc | well if it wasn't then the fuse files wouldn't be there |
| 04:16.59 | zsoc | preoccupied: did you close the card? lol |
| 04:17.18 | preoccupied | zsoc: yeah, there's no card. |
| 04:17.27 | preoccupied | zsoc: and it's not installed....according to PA |
| 04:17.38 | zsoc | preoccupied: restarting would fix it, not sure why you have to tho |
| 04:17.41 | zsoc | but it would fix it |
| 04:17.44 | zsoc | restart, remove folder, reinstall |
| 04:17.51 | preoccupied | lol, alright...will do that |
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| 04:22.09 | preoccupied | man...these boot times are a killer |
| 04:22.57 | zsoc | This reebok commercial just showed many women's butts in various tight clothing. and a lady said the word butt a lot |
| 04:24.18 | EdLin | zsoc: odd, considering they sell shoes, not pants. |
| 04:24.39 | zsoc | EdLin: apparently their shoes tone your butt |
| 04:24.45 | EdLin | lol |
| 04:24.45 | zsoc | but the commercial was very.. uh.. arousing |
| 04:25.17 | preoccupied | did anyone know that pressing orange + sym + i gives you random info (about luna i'm guessing)? |
| 04:25.22 | EdLin | I'll take your word for it. I rarely watch TV anymore. |
| 04:25.27 | k\t | bleh... |
| 04:26.05 | k\t | there's another one with breast... |
| 04:26.22 | EdLin | how do shoes tone your breasts?! |
| 04:26.45 | k\t | by newtons law of motion... idk... |
| 04:26.55 | k\t | kinetic energy... |
| 04:27.01 | k\t | ??? |
| 04:27.03 | FuMan | hrm, never seen that I thing |
| 04:27.06 | EdLin | bouncy shoes = bouncy.... |
| 04:27.52 | FuMan | ahahahah |
| 04:27.53 | k\t | there you have it... 2nd and 3rd laws of motion... |
| 04:27.55 | FuMan | i was going key by key |
| 04:27.59 | FuMan | trying out other orange syms |
| 04:28.00 | EdLin | oh well, I guess the reebok commercials are better than Palm's "borg queen" first commercial. |
| 04:28.03 | FuMan | and didn't think to skip R |
| 04:28.03 | FuMan | f. |
| 04:28.15 | EdLin | lol |
| 04:28.34 | EdLin | FuMan: I hate when that happens |
| 04:28.36 | preoccupied | FuMan: lol..haha |
| 04:29.04 | preoccupied | i know o + sym + u gets you usb mode... |
| 04:29.34 | FuMan | and P is screen shot |
| 04:29.37 | FuMan | R is restart |
| 04:29.45 | FuMan | and I is whatever that luna info is |
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| 04:31.30 | zsoc | http://i.imgur.com/p83HI.jpg |
| 04:31.35 | zsoc | that made me laugh hysterically |
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| 04:36.06 | idw2k|wirc | I have been very impressed at the sensitivity of the pre in recording audio. |
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| 04:38.03 | preoccupied | zsoc: yay, everything works again...thanks! |
| 04:39.19 | preoccupied | zsoc: what's the vox for? |
| 04:39.19 | zsoc | idw2k|wirc: i'm glad |
| 04:39.28 | zsoc | preoccupied: voice activation, which will eventually work |
| 04:39.47 | preoccupied | zsoc: oh, ok. that's gonna be a neat feature. |
| 04:40.19 | zsoc | preoccupied: it sorta works on the media capture now, lol, as a 'feature'. If you start a recording pipeline for media capture, you will note it does not start counting until you actually play something |
| 04:41.42 | halfhalo_T400 | has peanutes |
| 04:42.30 | zsoc | preoccupied: i'm going to get everything patched up, get it bug free, release beta.. and then work to 1.0, which will basically be a playback scene, so it'll list recordings, and you won't have to launch recordings in a separate app |
| 04:42.42 | preoccupied | zsoc: oh, nice |
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| 04:42.59 | zsoc | preoccupied: i'm considering removing the .00 for the position counter.. and just have it count seconds. |
| 04:43.11 | preoccupied | zsoc: yeah, i think seconds is all yo uneed |
| 04:43.21 | zsoc | i can then call the query 1/5 as often, should speed it up |
| 04:43.21 | preoccupied | zsoc: it should reduce cpu load as well... |
| 04:43.29 | zsoc | preoccupied: it's set to low priority |
| 04:43.41 | preoccupied | zsoc: oh, ok |
| 04:43.44 | zsoc | that's why it jumps around.. it only bothers querying when it has some free frames |
| 04:43.53 | zsoc | the magic of GLib |
| 04:44.28 | preoccupied | zsoc: ok, lemme knew when you're close to the pubic beta |
| 04:44.36 | rwhitby | hmm. DeadPre does novacom battery charge reports before anything boots, but is not recognised when it has a good batter |
| 04:44.39 | preoccupied | zsoc: i'll make sure the wiki is up to date and everything |
| 04:44.55 | zsoc | :> |
| 04:45.01 | zsoc | preoccupied: you're the best |
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| 04:45.28 | preoccupied | zsoc: haha, nope. This app is so great...haha been waiting a long time for it |
| 04:45.30 | halfhalo_T400 | could it be because deadpre is... dead? |
| 04:46.01 | sethron | preoccupies: did you work on precorder 0.5.7? |
| 04:47.11 | preoccupied | sethron: : nope. zsoc did all the work |
| 04:47.15 | zsoc | sethron: he helped with testing and found me some license free icons :) and updates the wiki |
| 04:47.23 | zsoc | just a generally cool guy |
| 04:47.48 | preoccupied | zsoc: i'm not the one spending hours chasing random bugs |
| 04:48.01 | sethron | weired, i updated with Preware alpha, and the icon was clear, and froze when i launched precorder |
| 04:48.22 | zsoc | preoccupied: it would be quicker if it wasn't in my spare time... my spare time is generally spent drinking |
| 04:48.27 | sethron | then the icon tured into a luna crecent |
| 04:48.30 | zsoc | sethron: oh god... WAS IT RUNNING WHEN YOU UPDATED? |
| 04:48.43 | sethron | um, no |
| 04:48.47 | zsoc | thinks |
| 04:48.51 | zsoc | sethron: try uninstall/reinstall plz |
| 04:49.04 | sethron | right, that's what i did :) |
| 04:49.22 | sethron | it works, and it can play what i recorder using the mic |
| 04:49.33 | zsoc | sethron: good :) |
| 04:49.35 | zsoc | preoccupied: ah crap |
| 04:49.45 | zsoc | i just found a bug in the postinst again lol |
| 04:49.46 | sethron | then, luna restart, randomely..... |
| 04:49.47 | zsoc | i'm so useless |
| 04:50.01 | zsoc | sethron: eh, wait till webos 1.5 lol |
| 04:50.02 | preoccupied | zsoc: haha, there's always bug |
| 04:50.03 | preoccupied | s |
| 04:50.04 | halfhalo_T400 | yup |
| 04:50.20 | sethron | it's a good thing i like to QA shyte n schtuff |
| 04:51.23 | preoccupied | i really hope palm fixes that bug soon. i encouraged my friend to get a pre....and she's really pissed off now |
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| 04:52.07 | sethron | btw drpnull, dr podder is awosome |
| 04:52.11 | zsoc | very soon i reckon |
| 04:54.48 | zsoc | gotta jet, lata yall |
| 04:55.03 | sethron | rwhitby: DeadPre? |
| 04:55.26 | rwhitby | sethron: hi - received it today |
| 04:55.54 | rwhitby | sethron: did you ever get novaterm or webos doctor to connect to it? |
| 04:56.05 | rwhitby | or just the windows seeing some usb driver |
| 04:56.13 | sethron | rwhitby: just showed up as bootie |
| 04:56.34 | rwhitby | sethron: ok, that corresponds with what I'm seeing too |
| 04:56.50 | sethron | rwhitby: it was submersed in water several months ago |
| 04:57.27 | sethron | spare parts |
| 04:57.50 | rwhitby | yep, it's getting warm with a battery in it too |
| 04:58.35 | rwhitby | sethron: see /msg |
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| 05:10.33 | jhojho | so who else uses textmate here? |
| 05:10.54 | johnlburger | !rules |
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| 05:11.08 | halfhalo_T400 | me |
| 05:11.26 | halfhalo_T400 | i have a beta bundle somewhere |
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| 05:16.44 | jhojho | halfhalo_T400: I see a webos bundle on github but it's minimal |
| 05:16.57 | halfhalo_T400 | not mine |
| 05:17.57 | jhojho | wish there was a textmate bundle that did code completion |
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| 05:37.01 | OrR01 | Anyone here know if Precorder can be used to record phone calls? |
| 05:41.26 | jhojho | not that I know of |
| 05:42.04 | rwhitby | got the doctor to connect to dementia pre |
| 05:44.26 | jhojho | dementia? |
| 05:44.45 | halfhalo_T400 | nice |
| 05:44.52 | halfhalo_T400 | is watching ateam |
| 05:45.45 | hape | morning |
| 05:52.15 | rwhitby | jhojho: a pre that has been dipped in water months ago |
| 05:52.31 | rwhitby | suspected dead, and but just revived (but it shows nothing on the screen) |
| 05:54.09 | rwhitby | My devices are called virtura, natura, experia and dementia |
| 05:54.29 | jhojho | have you seen this before? http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=golden+shellback&aq=0&aqi=g10&aql=&oq=golden+shel&gs_rfai= |
| 05:54.43 | OrR01 | Sounds.. Awesome! :D |
| 05:54.49 | jhojho | mine are called pre and preplus =) |
| 05:55.04 | jhojho | or paid and free |
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| 05:56.33 | halfhalo_T400 | mine are called preone pretwo preplus and prefake |
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| 05:57.07 | jhojho | u have 4 devices? |
| 05:57.16 | halfhalo_T400 | 3 plus emu |
| 05:57.25 | halfhalo_T400 | plus an att pixi as soon as i can get one |
| 05:57.58 | jhojho | I would have liked a gsm pre plus or pixi plus. oh well |
| 05:59.33 | rwhitby | jhojho: I'll be buying a gsm pre plus as soon as they are available unlocked in .eu |
| 06:00.59 | halfhalo_T400 | sooo.... like... tomorrow |
| 06:01.00 | halfhalo_T400 | ? |
| 06:01.07 | rwhitby | hopefully |
| 06:01.28 | halfhalo_T400 | their pricey though |
| 06:01.46 | rwhitby | although I hope it arrives quicker than the last one, which DHL took *2* *MONTHS* to get from Germany to Australia |
| 06:01.50 | halfhalo_T400 | hoping the att pixi plus is only 319 unlocked like the vzw pixi |
| 06:02.29 | halfhalo_T400 | wonder if you can get someone to order it for you through the dev program and ship it |
| 06:02.50 | rwhitby | ok, doctor succeeded - looks like I have a perfectly working headless Pre |
| 06:03.03 | halfhalo_T400 | nice |
| 06:03.20 | rwhitby | now to meta-doctor with 1.4.1.1 |
| 06:04.21 | halfhalo_T400 | heh, Im still working on the python script |
| 06:04.21 | rwhitby | then I'll need to work out how to enable wifi from the command line |
| 06:04.21 | halfhalo_T400 | last part for the basics is to get it to package it |
| 06:04.48 | rwhitby | wifi activation is something I want to add to the meta-doctor setup |
| 06:04.57 | halfhalo_T400 | nice |
| 06:05.25 | jhojho | ? |
| 06:05.33 | jhojho | I thought wifi activation worked? |
| 06:05.42 | halfhalo_T400 | I'm aiming for my minimetadoctor to be a stripped easy cut down version. AKA only bypass activation and firstuse |
| 06:05.47 | rwhitby | no, I mean presetting the wifi settings |
| 06:05.51 | jhojho | ah |
| 06:08.23 | halfhalo_T400 | For 99% of people just the first two will work. For everyone else theirs the full version |
| 06:09.31 | jhojho | halfhalo_T400: that would be good |
| 06:10.45 | halfhalo_T400 | Honestly, all thats left for it is the repackaging |
| 06:11.03 | halfhalo_T400 | both firstuse and bypass work |
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| 06:33.09 | millenomi | um, stupid question: PDK is unsupported on 1.4.1? |
| 06:33.21 | millenomi | or do I only have an older PDK build? |
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| 07:25.34 | rwhitby | millenomi: apparently it has a hard-coded check |
| 07:25.44 | millenomi | is it safe to override? |
| 07:25.59 | millenomi | (guess not) |
| 07:26.06 | rwhitby | dunno |
| 07:26.33 | rwhitby | flashes 1.4.1.1 meta-doctor to dementia.pre |
| 07:27.38 | rwhitby | (much easier to control a device with a non-working LCD screen with dev mode activated from boot |
| 07:33.31 | rwhitby | next challenge: how to install openssh and get a wifi connection going from just a novaterm connection |
| 07:35.24 | rwhitby | but first, I think I'll take it apart and put it back together |
| 07:35.50 | noaXess | is there a way to change an attribute of a widget on the fly? |
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| 07:42.08 | OltreIrc`5250 | hi guys could anyone help me? |
| 07:42.29 | Cicci | hi guys could anyone help me? |
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| 07:50.03 | Cicci | i cannot run webosdoctor |
| 07:51.23 | noaXess | Cicci: you are on? linux, mac, windows? |
| 07:51.32 | Cicci | win |
| 07:52.17 | Cicci | i've installed java and done all that the procedure requests |
| 07:52.32 | Cicci | however i run win 7 6 bit |
| 07:52.39 | Cicci | *64 |
| 07:53.14 | noaXess | hae you run it from console with java -jar webosdoctor.jar? |
| 07:53.46 | noaXess | have ^ |
| 07:53.50 | rwhitby | hmm - I need a plastic spudger to get this case apart |
| 07:54.04 | noaXess | rwhitby: what are you talking about? |
| 08:02.00 | Cicci | noaXess:yes i've done |
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| 08:02.19 | Cicci | but it still not recognize the phone |
| 08:04.37 | noaXess | Cicci: have you connected your phone in just charging mode and is the devmode enabled on the device? |
| 08:05.15 | rwhitby | noaXess: I am taking apart a Pre |
| 08:05.41 | Cicci | noaXess: yea i've done both things |
| 08:05.58 | noaXess | Cicci: hm... |
| 08:07.56 | rwhitby | Cicci: have you followed the recovery page on our wiki ? |
| 08:08.48 | Cicci | can u paste the link? |
| 08:09.08 | rwhitby | it's on the front page of our wiki, and the link is in the /topic |
| 08:09.31 | Cicci | kk listen |
| 08:10.00 | Cicci | my problem isn't to recover the pre at all because it doesn't function |
| 08:10.15 | Cicci | but i have some problems with patches |
| 08:10.24 | Cicci | from preware |
| 08:10.52 | Cicci | i can install all patches but they will not function properly |
| 08:11.38 | Cicci | so i thought that an hard reset is the best thing to do but as u know now i have problem |
| 08:12.00 | Cicci | however i'll follow the wiki and next i'll gently ask u :) |
| 08:12.03 | Cicci | thanks |
| 08:12.45 | rwhitby | well, you need to start with being able to reliably connect to your device, and Palm has instructions on how to do that for the webOS Doctor |
| 08:13.07 | rwhitby | we don't usually get involved until you can complete that step yourself |
| 08:22.10 | rwhitby | wow, the volume key is really finicky to take apart, and the keyboard connector will be hard to ensure it's placed correctly when putting back together |
| 08:23.26 | rwhitby | will need to work out which way around the volume key goes later too |
| 08:25.59 | rwhitby | excellent, the device still boots with the back off |
| 08:27.47 | geist | whatcha tryin to do? |
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| 08:36.18 | dtzWill | rwhitby's hoping there's a golden ticket inside |
| 08:38.40 | rwhitby | geist: just practising taking it apart |
| 08:38.50 | rwhitby | geist: and looking for a serial port of course :) |
| 08:39.02 | dtzWill | ...a golden serial port... |
| 08:39.03 | dtzWill | drops it |
| 08:39.15 | geist | ah. no the main serial port is multiplexed with the usb port |
| 08:39.22 | geist | it's a feature of the twl4030 |
| 08:39.32 | geist | alas you have to whack it with sw |
| 08:39.59 | rwhitby | hmm - just wondering what the four test pads under the Q key do :) |
| 08:40.31 | geist | yeah, there's another serial port on there somewhere |
| 08:40.39 | geist | but it's not pin muxed that way by default |
| 08:40.50 | geist | so you wont see any activity on it or anything |
| 08:41.28 | rwhitby | after taking it apart this far http://s1.guide-images.ifixit.com/igi/NOJ3GWQvdHGNfKvP.large I'm reconsidering whether keyboard swap surgery is feasible |
| 08:41.32 | geist | on our debug builds of bootie we can hold a key and it'll switch to that |
| 08:42.32 | rwhitby | geist: I have a device which was sent to me for cost of postage - it was submersed a number of months ago. doctored it and it seems to be working perfectly apart from the LCD |
| 08:42.41 | rwhitby | backlight, buzzer, speaker all work |
| 08:42.45 | geist | sweet |
| 08:42.53 | rwhitby | keyboard works enough for ctrl-alt-del |
| 08:43.38 | rwhitby | I was going to use it as a practice device for swapping physical keyboards |
| 08:44.29 | bhuey | folks |
| 08:46.34 | rwhitby | aha, looks like many more test points on the comms board: http://s1.guide-images.ifixit.com/igi/JJearqTXeHJFscAB.large not just the 4 exposed on the top right |
| 08:46.51 | geist | yeah, there are tons of those |
| 08:46.59 | geist | modem folks use it to talk to the modem cpu |
| 08:47.32 | geist | that modem board is basically a fully functional seperate cpu + memory + flash |
| 08:47.41 | geist | has its own os, own boot procedure, etc |
| 08:49.00 | rwhitby | another antenna connector just left of mid on http://s1.guide-images.ifixit.com/igi/JJearqTXeHJFscAB.large too |
| 08:50.13 | rwhitby | ah, I guess that's just the same as the two large contacts which mate with the casing antenna directly |
| 08:50.24 | rwhitby | (bottom left corner of http://s1.guide-images.ifixit.com/igi/JJearqTXeHJFscAB.large) |
| 08:50.43 | rwhitby | could probably buzz that out to check |
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| 08:52.27 | rwhitby | pity it won't stay powered just from the USB, but that's fairly normal with phones |
| 08:52.53 | geist | oh? |
| 08:52.59 | rwhitby | hmm - or maybe I just need the full 1A for that |
| 08:53.14 | rwhitby | yeah, laptop USB's not gonna be enough |
| 08:53.27 | geist | yeah, i think we added logic for it, since it's not generally sufficient as sooin as the modem fires up |
| 08:53.38 | geist | but a naked board with no modem can totally be run from usb |
| 08:53.47 | geist | though i think powerd will try to shut it down |
| 08:54.31 | rwhitby | it drives the backlight, but with no LCD I can't tell easily. I need some way to mux usb data to the laptop with 1A supply from the palm power supply |
| 08:55.40 | rwhitby | the slider is pretty damn neat when you take a close look at it |
| 08:58.59 | rwhitby | I need a better camera to document this. |
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| 09:01.53 | Sn4k3 | hi all can anyone help me? |
| 09:02.01 | rwhitby | geist: so the bit of white paper (which is now red paper on this device) next to the keyboard connector on the reverse of the comms board at the top right of http://s2.guide-images.ifixit.com/igi/GaQO4UrFyuFTCruN.large is a second water damage sensor I presume |
| 09:02.27 | geist | yeah, probably |
| 09:02.50 | rwhitby | it's well and truly dark pink / red on this device :) |
| 09:04.25 | rwhitby | must be a lot of pins on the 50 pin connector allocated to power ... |
| 09:05.05 | geist | some, most of them are the lcd, iirc |
| 09:05.23 | geist | well.. hmm, no the lcd is some sort of semi serial thing |
| 09:05.25 | rwhitby | I thought the OMAP was on the board behind the screen? |
| 09:05.41 | geist | yah, was thinking of the other connector :) |
| 09:06.02 | rwhitby | ah, haven't got that far yet :) |
| 09:06.05 | geist | yeah, for the most part that connector is power + serial + usb to the modem |
| 09:06.11 | geist | dont have the schematic handy |
| 09:07.00 | rwhitby | interesting that the power is all bunched up rather than interleaving the signal pins |
| 09:08.38 | geist | yaeh, looks like about 10 power, 10 ground |
| 09:08.41 | geist | rest is actual stuff |
| 09:08.56 | geist | usb, serial, gpios, i2c, etc |
| 09:09.13 | geist | audio to/from modem |
| 09:11.01 | rwhitby | wow, that keyboard bezel is not easy to remove unless you know about the two little bumps in the top middle |
| 09:14.13 | rwhitby | ifixit is missing some steps between 15 and 16 :) |
| 09:15.53 | rwhitby | excellent, still works with all the screws out |
| 09:16.40 | rwhitby | yep, water damager sensor near the USB is pink/red too |
| 09:18.48 | rwhitby | geist: do you reckon I'd be able to just swap front half and modem board between a CDMA and GSM device and expect it to work? |
| 09:19.04 | rwhitby | (to get an unlocked GSM with qwerty keyboard |
| 09:19.50 | rwhitby | from what I can see, it'd just need some nvram swapping too (depending if that is stored in flash on the omap board or comms board) |
| 09:19.59 | geist | hw wise, i think they're the same. sw wise, absolutely not at all |
| 09:21.22 | rwhitby | wonders if there is more than the normal doctor image, and the tokens that trenchcoat can overwrite, like I do for changing the keyboard it thinks it has |
| 09:23.19 | rwhitby | geist: there's no flash on the middle section though (the metal slider with keyboard, camera etc attached) |
| 09:23.43 | rwhitby | so if I keep the omap board and the comms board together, and just swap out the middle metal section with the keyboard and camera, it should just work. |
| 09:23.55 | geist | this is where i must stop commenting |
| 09:24.04 | rwhitby | yep, no worries, understood. |
| 09:24.09 | geist | a) i dunno, and b) can't really advise you on that kind of stuff |
| 09:24.29 | rwhitby | I'll keep talking, but do not expect an answer from you of course |
| 09:26.07 | rwhitby | that'd be quite funny, a GSM device with a Sprint logo on the mirror |
| 09:27.52 | rwhitby | I love the little metal fingers that come down to support the back of the bottom row of keys |
| 09:28.39 | rwhitby | hmm - I bet the accelerometer is on the camera board too, so the trimming for that would need to be copied across |
| 09:30.12 | rwhitby | and the keyboard is off. icky sticky |
| 09:33.36 | rwhitby | awesome, still boots with they keyboard removed |
| 09:39.00 | rwhitby | wow, even boots with the top connector on the omap board remove |
| 09:39.50 | rwhitby | so the power button is on the bottom connector |
| 09:43.33 | rwhitby | bbl |
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| 10:01.36 | millenomi | um |
| 10:01.41 | millenomi | question -- dunno if this is the right chan tho. |
| 10:01.54 | millenomi | is pdk-device-install usable on 1.4.1 devices? |
| 10:02.31 | millenomi | it errors out saying it wants 1.4.0 and of course this it isn't mentioned anywhere else :) |
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| 10:06.43 | millenomi | (did I ask already? I forgot) |
| 10:06.54 | millenomi | oh, whoops, scrollback says yes. sorry about that. |
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| 16:15.03 | flare576 | Two questions: Is the topic of getting Web OS running on a non-pre device (think PC not iPhone) a conversation allowed here? (I don't know all the ins/outs of licensing)? If so, is anyone working on it? |
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| 16:40.11 | mickeyl | i sincerely doubt anyone is working on that |
| 16:40.17 | mickeyl | will be an incredible amount of work |
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| 16:42.19 | mickeyl | as you will need to implement all the support libraries |
| 16:42.21 | mickeyl | think "wine" |
| 16:43.13 | zsoc_wirc | flare576: no gesture area on other devices |
| 16:43.55 | flare576 | no defined gesture area, true, but nothing saying I can't black out part of the screen and treat it as such :) |
| 16:44.37 | flare576 | Could even have a smart way of only using that real estate when a gesture is input, otherwise use it as viewable. |
| 16:44.42 | zsoc_wirc | flare576: too much proprietary low level software. maybe if other omap34x phones are similar enough |
| 16:44.44 | mickeyl | urm |
| 16:44.54 | mickeyl | i would not think about gestures :) |
| 16:44.57 | flare576 | I don't want to use a phone. |
| 16:45.00 | mickeyl | that's faaar away |
| 16:45.06 | flare576 | I want to make a tablet. |
| 16:45.22 | mickeyl | you need to think about power management, sensors, wakeup, suspend |
| 16:45.27 | mickeyl | itchy lowlevel details |
| 16:45.30 | mickeyl | all which you need to reimplement |
| 16:45.46 | mickeyl | and you're forced to omap btw. |
| 16:45.50 | mickeyl | since you can't recompile the code |
| 16:46.09 | flare576 | not saying it'd be a fast project, just curious if we could talk about it here and if anyone was working on it. |
| 16:46.21 | zsoc_wirc | you could probably do it on a beagleboard |
| 16:46.45 | mickeyl | i'm sure you can talk about it |
| 16:46.49 | mickeyl | but it's very ambitious |
| 16:46.51 | mickeyl | and frankly... |
| 16:46.59 | mickeyl | work would be better invested in reinventing that |
| 16:47.08 | mickeyl | since you will not be able to ship it legally anyways |
| 16:47.34 | zsoc_wirc | right\n |
| 16:47.37 | flare576 | hrm |
| 16:48.58 | mickeyl | given Palm's state you might be able to talk them into licensing it, if you are able to pay enough $$$ |
| 16:49.07 | flare576 | Well, I'll poke around with it and see if I can figure something out: I just know I'd love a webos tablet, and so would a lot of people, but no one is taking up the task. |
| 16:49.36 | flare576 | heh, true, but I don't think "Hey, Palm, I got $20, what can I get" will get me very far :) |
| 16:49.49 | mickeyl | yes, i was more thinking about a couple of zeros appended... |
| 16:49.57 | mickeyl | webos may fly on a phone |
| 16:50.08 | mickeyl | but don't let yourself be tricked it will work unmodified on a tablet |
| 16:50.14 | mickeyl | you have to revisit the UI paradigms |
| 16:50.16 | flare576 | Can you imagine it on a snap dragon? |
| 16:52.32 | flare576 | In any case, it's probably way more than I can handle, but I'm interested enough to see what I can do; I've never tried low-level stuff before so it'll at least be a learning experience :) |
| 16:53.13 | mickeyl | sure |
| 16:53.16 | mickeyl | feel free to go for it |
| 16:53.24 | mickeyl | my group is doing insane things as well |
| 16:53.33 | mickeyl | slightly related to what you're doing, but the other way round :) |
| 16:53.59 | flare576 | hah |
| 16:53.59 | mickeyl | like - using only the Palm Pre hardware with completely different software |
| 16:54.25 | mickeyl | which is tough as well |
| 16:54.30 | flare576 | I wish yah luck :) I use the Pre for WebOS, though, not the other way around |
| 16:54.43 | flare576 | but I LOVE seeing crazy stuff be done on devices |
| 16:54.48 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 16:55.32 | flare576 | meetin' time, thanks for the info zsoc_wirc, mickeyl :) |
| 16:55.50 | mickeyl | np |
| 16:55.51 | mickeyl | cu |
| 16:59.25 | zsoc_wirc | mickeyl: hows the fspo world going? |
| 16:59.38 | mickeyl | good and bad |
| 16:59.47 | mickeyl | good: have been adding support for the sensors |
| 16:59.48 | mickeyl | ambient light |
| 16:59.51 | mickeyl | proximty |
| 16:59.53 | mickeyl | vibrator |
| 16:59.58 | mickeyl | all easy and done now |
| 17:00.01 | mickeyl | bad: |
| 17:00.07 | mickeyl | showstoppers are still modem and touchscreen |
| 17:00.10 | zsoc_wirc | cool cool\n |
| 17:00.21 | mickeyl | touchscreen may have seen a breakthrough yesterday, as some guys found the bisplines |
| 17:00.24 | zsoc_wirc | ah\n |
| 17:00.44 | mickeyl | modem needs a couple of more manmonths intensive protocol reengineering |
| 17:00.45 | zsoc_wirc | well that's good news |
| 17:00.50 | mickeyl | yeah, all in all it's well |
| 17:00.57 | mickeyl | let me get you a screeny |
| 17:01.00 | mickeyl | people love screenshots... |
| 17:01.17 | zsoc_wirc | haha yes |
| 17:03.28 | mickeyl | http://www.linuxtogo.org/~mickeyl/palmpre/ |
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| 17:04.14 | mickeyl | sorry, always the same screen, but... touchscreen is not there :) |
| 17:05.35 | zsoc_wirc | mikewx: win |
| 17:05.44 | zsoc_wirc | mickeyl: er.. win |
| 17:05.49 | zsoc_wirc | mikewx: sry, mis tabbed |
| 17:06.52 | mickeyl | once we figured out the touchscreen, we'll release a first demo image |
| 17:07.08 | mickeyl | which at least makes calls |
| 17:07.18 | halfhalo_T400 | lies |
| 17:07.30 | zsoc_wirc | does this OS run on other phones right now? |
| 17:07.40 | mickeyl | well, it's linux |
| 17:07.52 | zsoc_wirc | that's not what I asked lol |
| 17:07.57 | mickeyl | it runs on Openmoko devices, on the HTC Dream, and some other HTC devices, and some OpenEZX devices |
| 17:08.04 | mickeyl | in varying degrees of support, of course |
| 17:08.09 | zsoc_wirc | ah ok, cool |
| 17:08.11 | mickeyl | "thanks" to kernel and hardware issues |
| 17:08.18 | zsoc_wirc | of course :) |
| 17:08.25 | zsoc_wirc | is it uh.. good? |
| 17:08.33 | halfhalo_T400 | would look at the pictures but he has no bandwidths left in the tube |
| 17:08.34 | zsoc_wirc | y'know, besides being libra |
| 17:09.02 | mickeyl | hmm |
| 17:09.05 | mickeyl | well |
| 17:09.12 | mickeyl | basically what I'm working on is middleware |
| 17:09.17 | mickeyl | and since middleware essentially is invisible |
| 17:09.26 | mickeyl | i also work on a small self-contained demo app |
| 17:09.34 | mickeyl | this is what you're seeing in the screenshot |
| 17:09.44 | mickeyl | other people are working on "full" distros |
| 17:09.54 | mickeyl | using my middleware |
| 17:10.02 | mickeyl | which is cool as well |
| 17:10.07 | mickeyl | but not what i'm using atm. |
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| 17:10.26 | mickeyl | so usability-wise, we're years behind either webos or android |
| 17:10.33 | mickeyl | however, we're getting better very fast |
| 17:10.37 | mickeyl | _and_ we are free :) |
| 17:10.40 | mickeyl | (as in speech) |
| 17:10.58 | mickeyl | dunno whether this answers your question ;) |
| 17:12.26 | mickeyl | some people think all you need is an X server and then everything works |
| 17:12.28 | mickeyl | but that's not it |
| 17:12.31 | mickeyl | a phone is not a PC |
| 17:12.39 | halfhalo_T400 | lies |
| 17:12.44 | halfhalo_T400 | all lies! |
| 17:13.01 | en0x | lol |
| 17:13.34 | halfhalo_T400 | phone almost dead |
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| 17:40.12 | Marajin_ | mickey|sports: heh, been there, done that, thankless job isn't it? |
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| 19:39.48 | voltnine | is the any workaround that would allow entering unsupported characters like []? |
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| 19:43.17 | zsoc_wirc | voltnine: sure, including their support |
| 19:43.52 | zsoc_wirc | or you can probably enter them in machine code |
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| 19:44.06 | voltnine | ... |
| 19:44.32 | voltnine | terminal isn't open sourced yet is it? |
| 19:45.26 | voltnine | can't even paste them in? |
| 19:46.43 | halfhalo | Machine code will BURN |
| 19:47.42 | fpf_palmpre | GPL 2 v2 Open Source = Terminal |
| 19:48.26 | voltnine | ooh. then i'll have to take a look. |
| 19:48.57 | voltnine | half my strong passwords have crazy symbols. |
| 19:49.15 | voltnine | can't ssh anywhere :/ |
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| 20:01.26 | Lumiere | voltnine: make a ssh key? |
| 20:02.06 | voltnine | that won't help me su |
| 20:02.13 | Lumiere | lol |
| 20:02.58 | zsoc_wirc | voltnine: terminal is in the webos internals git, contact the last few commiters if you have questions ;) |
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| 20:14.05 | voltnine | does destinal come through here still? |
| 20:14.14 | oil | eventually |
| 20:14.28 | voltnine | development seems to have stalled a long time ago. |
| 20:14.43 | halfhalo | well then |
| 20:14.50 | halfhalo | hp owns palm |
| 20:14.58 | Lumiere | halfhalo: eh? |
| 20:15.25 | bpadalino | http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/28/hp-buys-palm/ |
| 20:16.38 | voltnine | ha! |
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| 20:19.29 | jhowirc | hp acquires palm.. |
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| 20:19.48 | lemketron | Yeah, I guess people can update the old "HP buys Compaq" joke now. :-) |
| 20:20.06 | jhowirc | congrats? =) |
| 20:26.12 | Marajin_ | hp bought palm? |
| 20:26.14 | Marajin_ | oh noes.. |
| 20:26.47 | twixt | not sure how i feel about this |
| 20:27.07 | joshua | i think they are more likely to keep the brand and keep the technology going than some other buyers would have |
| 20:27.26 | joshua | some people probably would have bought the company and just closed it so they can have the patent rights |
| 20:27.38 | twixt | you think it'll say HP Palm on the back of new devices? |
| 20:27.53 | zsoc_wirc | I like this. Palm + money |
| 20:27.59 | joshua | do the compaq computrs say HP anywhere? heh |
| 20:28.18 | zsoc_wirc | HP has a good track record of letting companies run. |
| 20:28.34 | twixt | joshua: true |
| 20:28.50 | twixt | guess the slate will be decent then |
| 20:29.02 | joshua | they also can make some solid hardware. those calculators they made are built like tanks |
| 20:29.17 | joshua | and the ipaq |
| 20:29.25 | twixt | as long as they don't make them like their notebooks |
| 20:29.31 | twixt | i've had nothing but problems with those |
| 20:30.13 | voltnine | I have an hp mini 311 and I love it. |
| 20:31.45 | Marajin_ | TBH I'm not actually bothered |
| 20:31.48 | Marajin_ | I have a HP tablet PC |
| 20:31.50 | Marajin_ | it's not bad |
| 20:31.54 | Marajin_ | I've had iPaqs |
| 20:32.00 | Marajin_ | they were fine .. save the OS |
| 20:32.02 | chrisa | afternoon |
| 20:32.24 | Marajin_ | So if they can take what palm started and give it the critical funding and business sense.. |
| 20:32.30 | Marajin_ | yes, this might well be a good thing |
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| 20:33.46 | chrisa | HP has 125B in market capital |
| 20:33.54 | chrisa | No matter what happens it's probably a good thing |
| 20:34.45 | Marajin_ | heh |
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| 20:40.00 | Mousey | HP huh |
| 20:40.36 | ghost_of_zsoc | yep |
| 20:40.52 | Mousey | ipkg returns full circle! |
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| 20:41.08 | EdLin | at least it wasn't Facebook, as some predicted. They'd have to name the new company FacePalm. |
| 20:41.14 | ghost_of_zsoc | Mousey: ha! didn't think of that! |
| 20:41.39 | EdLin | btw, HP also bought 3com, so now 3com and Palm are one again. |
| 20:41.41 | ghost_of_zsoc | ... |
| 20:41.53 | ghost_of_zsoc | ah, nice |
| 20:42.07 | voltnine | circle of life. |
| 20:42.19 | Mousey | lol |
| 20:42.42 | Mousey | lol edlin |
| 20:42.44 | Mousey | that takes me bac |
| 20:42.45 | Mousey | k |
| 20:43.04 | EdLin | somebody needs to make an HP theme for the Pre. :) |
| 20:43.14 | Mousey | ...which makes HP next to fold =( |
| 20:43.27 | Marajin_ | EdLin: God know, the physical styling of my tablet PC is nice but the software theming? |
| 20:43.31 | Marajin_ | shudders. |
| 20:43.32 | idw2k|wirc | so, how long before the WebOS tablet is announced? |
| 20:43.32 | Marajin_ | *God no |
| 20:43.39 | voltnine | is there any plans for a gui ssh client? |
| 20:43.39 | EdLin | Mousey: HP has a market cap of over 120B, they aren't going out of business. |
| 20:44.04 | Mousey | they said that about goldman-sachs |
| 20:44.06 | Mousey | =P |
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| 20:44.16 | voltnine | terminal + ssh is making me want to slit my own throat. |
| 20:44.23 | Mousey | voltnine: here here |
| 20:44.24 | EdLin | goldman-sachs is a gambling house, not a business. |
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| 20:44.39 | idw2k|wirc | goldman-sachs is bigger and more profitable than ever. |
| 20:44.47 | idw2k|wirc | I think you meant lehman brothers |
| 20:44.52 | EdLin | like many gambling houses. |
| 20:44.55 | ghost_of_zsoc | Mousey: HP is not an investment company. they make _actual_ money |
| 20:44.57 | idw2k|wirc | which is now gone |
| 20:45.15 | Mousey | i know, i know, sheesh |
| 20:45.19 | Mousey | i actually love their servers |
| 20:45.29 | Mousey | ..too much |
| 20:45.35 | Mousey | i'm not allowed near them anymore |
| 20:45.39 | EdLin | lol |
| 20:46.10 | EdLin | the servers were granted a restraining order |
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| 20:46.56 | Mousey | another guy here just got a pre (plus) |
| 20:47.01 | Mousey | sent him blindly to preware.org |
| 20:47.03 | Mousey | rocks |
| 20:47.18 | ghost_of_zsoc | nice |
| 20:47.45 | voltnine | it's not as easy as it looks. |
| 20:47.53 | Mousey | it never is |
| 20:48.05 | voltnine | I still can't get tethering to work. |
| 20:48.17 | Mousey | i keep forgetting to try |
| 20:48.33 | jacques | so are the next webos devices going to have mirrored surfaces all over them like HP consumer laptops? |
| 20:48.39 | voltnine | something on the windows end kills my netbook. |
| 20:50.59 | Mousey | lol |
| 20:51.09 | Mousey | jacques: hopefully this means the prepaq! |
| 20:51.51 | Marajin_ | Mousey: Please report to the firing squad at dawn tomorrow for that one |
| 20:51.53 | idw2k|wirc | jacques: I imagine the next generation will be whatever is already in the pipeline. they wouldn't scrap it unless there were big problems |
| 20:52.02 | Mousey | baws |
| 20:52.58 | jacques | if HP really means to continue with WebOS I'll be happy |
| 20:54.00 | idw2k|wirc | if anything, I think HP means to expand WebOS |
| 20:54.43 | jacques | I wanna see it on tablets |
| 20:55.02 | idw2k|wirc | that's the logical step |
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| 20:55.46 | Marajin_ | What the hell was it with Palm that made them sit there with PalmOS for so long? |
| 20:56.00 | Marajin_ | It was an archaic design before OS5 |
| 20:56.03 | Marajin_ | nevermind 5.4 |
| 20:56.17 | Marajin_ | and OS6? well.. No device /ever/ licenced OS6 that I'm aware of |
| 20:56.46 | idw2k|wirc | same reason BlackberryOS is so archaic...huge installed base that doesn't want to change |
| 20:57.03 | Marajin_ | heh |
| 20:57.14 | Marajin_ | yes but what happened? |
| 20:57.20 | Marajin_ | PalmOS went 'wheeee **SPLAT**' |
| 20:57.26 | bougyman | no it didn't |
| 20:57.38 | Marajin_ | then why was OS6 never licenced? |
| 20:57.52 | Marajin_ | even palmone never made an OS6 device |
| 20:57.56 | bougyman | it went fizzle |
| 20:58.05 | vmlemon_ | They split themselves in two, and decided to license the PalmOS to others, before flailing around with Linux-based mobile phone "companions" that flopped, and then selling the PalmSource division to Access... |
| 20:58.09 | chrisa | The less we talk about Palmone/PalmSource the better |
| 20:58.37 | idontwan2know | indeed |
| 20:58.43 | Marajin_ | fair point, well made |
| 20:58.49 | Marajin_ | but yes.. WebOS.. |
| 20:59.03 | Marajin_ | when I saw WebOS demo'd properly I thought.. '...they're back! Palm is back!' |
| 20:59.27 | Marajin_ | Then I saw some of the silly bits in it and thought '..yep, that proves it, palm is back' ;) |
| 20:59.36 | joshua | rubinstein worked with HP before... didn't know that |
| 21:00.01 | bpadalino | chrisa, i hope you palm guys get to do "life as usual" and stay on your course after the acquisition |
| 21:00.33 | Tibfib | http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/28/hp-were-doubling-down-on-webos-palm-that-was-the-whole-po/ :D |
| 21:00.35 | chrisa | I taped "HP" over a palm sign I had on the wall next to my desk |
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| 21:00.41 | chrisa | I expect that to be the only change I experience |
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| 21:01.14 | bpadalino | very nice to hear |
| 21:02.07 | chrisa | Of course next week you may see me outside with a "Will break prototypes for food" sign |
| 21:02.16 | idontwan2know | The possible synergy of a family of WebOS devices, including a tablet, is really exciting. |
| 21:02.37 | joshua | they have a picture of the tablet right on one of the slides |
| 21:02.41 | bpadalino | heh |
| 21:02.46 | joshua | http://phx.corporate-ir.net/External.File?item=UGFyZW50SUQ9NDMzNTB8Q2hpbGRJRD0tMXxUeXBlPTM=&t=1 |
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| 21:03.10 | idontwan2know | conference call is starting now |
| 21:03.19 | joshua | "platform for mobile could-based services" |
| 21:07.23 | jhowirc | liveblog on precentral... |
| 21:07.24 | idontwan2know | "additional mobile form factors" |
| 21:08.48 | bpadalino | i wonder if they were talking about chrisa when they said "great engineering talent at palm" :P |
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| 21:09.13 | chrisa | I'm a good way of ensuring prototypes can withstand user abuse |
| 21:09.16 | chrisa | Poor pixi graveyard |
| 21:09.26 | joshua | I P freely |
| 21:09.34 | jhowirc | scribble live works on the pre |
| 21:09.42 | jhowirc | nice |
| 21:09.45 | oil | goes to bar chrisa frequents hoping to see new prototype left on table |
| 21:09.55 | Mousey | is still holding out for Dwarf Fortress on WebOS |
| 21:10.07 | chrisa | hmmm if df ran on linux without wine I would look into that |
| 21:10.16 | Mousey | it DOES |
| 21:10.23 | chrisa | wait what |
| 21:10.26 | chrisa | When did they release binaries? |
| 21:11.34 | hemna | stoked about us buying Palm :) |
| 21:11.36 | Mousey | http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/df_28_181_40d17_linux.tar.bz2 |
| 21:11.45 | oil | us? hemna works for hp? |
| 21:11.45 | hemna | I need to switch projects once the acquisition is done :) |
| 21:11.50 | hemna | oh..yah |
| 21:11.52 | Mousey | hemna: you bought palm?! |
| 21:11.59 | hemna | yah...some spare change |
| 21:12.04 | bpadalino | ouch |
| 21:12.05 | Mousey | dammit. i shoulda bid |
| 21:12.34 | hemna | lots of folks here at work are now asking me about me Pre |
| 21:12.39 | bpadalino | interesting |
| 21:12.40 | Mousey | chrisa: yes, it's not .03, but thats the devel version anyway |
| 21:12.40 | oil | was hoping palm could make it on their own |
| 21:12.53 | Mousey | ...which i happily run on wine |
| 21:12.55 | Mousey | ^_^ |
| 21:12.58 | Mousey | ^-- me being happy |
| 21:13.09 | Mousey | oil: me too |
| 21:13.21 | Mousey | but i like HP a shitlot more than lenovo |
| 21:13.23 | jhowirc | pres for all hp employees? |
| 21:13.32 | Tibfib | oil: me too |
| 21:13.51 | oil | jhowirc: and hemna to show them homebrew/webos-internals :) |
| 21:13.57 | hemna | it'll be interesting to see what HP does with it |
| 21:14.09 | hemna | I'd love to switch over and work on it |
| 21:14.19 | Mousey | i'll put in a good word for you |
| 21:14.28 | oil | oh picture of webos on a slate |
| 21:14.30 | hemna | :) |
| 21:14.33 | voltnine | njit |
| 21:14.37 | oil | http://images.scribblelive.com/2010/4/28/f871ce42-8bed-4eac-a6ea-0f8a26cde5e3_400.jpg |
| 21:14.50 | voltnine | I went there too. |
| 21:14.56 | oil | looks kinda funky |
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| 21:15.19 | Mousey | haha yea!! |
| 21:15.25 | idontwan2know | kinda looks sexy |
| 21:15.32 | Mousey | i'd hit it |
| 21:16.44 | jhowirc | oil: the orientation is wrong :) the card should be landscape too |
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| 21:16.50 | idontwan2know | I expect to see a huge influx of developers now |
| 21:16.57 | oil | yeah, maybe thats why it looks weirc |
| 21:17.03 | halfhalo_T400 | I don;t think so bout devs |
| 21:17.14 | halfhalo_T400 | Not until the devices start hitting mainstream |
| 21:18.03 | oil | according to dieter they can't stop talking about a tablet with webos |
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| 21:18.30 | idontwan2know | well, remember that WebOS apps are scalable resolution, so anything written for the current hardware should work on the tablets, etc. |
| 21:19.14 | oil | vertically scaleable |
| 21:19.17 | idontwan2know | there would need to be portrait and landscape scenes, obviously |
| 21:19.20 | oil | id hate to see what they look like wider |
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| 21:21.33 | oil | so palm will be seperate |
| 21:21.40 | idontwan2know | Palm will be it's own business unit |
| 21:21.45 | idontwan2know | awesome |
| 21:21.46 | oil | xD |
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| 21:22.34 | hemna | yah I imagine it'd be a subsidiary |
| 21:22.52 | oil | so will the next phone still say palm on the back, or hp? |
| 21:23.02 | Tibfib | hPalm |
| 21:23.23 | RamsesFSFE | LOL |
| 21:23.50 | Tibfib | err.... HPalm |
| 21:24.21 | idontwan2know | Increased R&D budget, and much bigger sales and marketing budgets! |
| 21:24.47 | idontwan2know | Kind of a no brainer, but still cool to hear. |
| 21:25.08 | hemna | some big company had to buy Palm at this rate unfortunately. |
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| 21:26.21 | oil | well, it could be worse |
| 21:26.29 | hemna | true |
| 21:26.48 | idontwan2know | I don't think it's unfortunate at all |
| 21:27.22 | Mousey | well HP is still a huge MS supporter |
| 21:27.26 | idontwan2know | Much as I love WebOS, it wasn't going anywhere without significant new investment |
| 21:27.41 | hemna | Mousey, yuh I know...it's a steep hill to climb here internally |
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| 21:28.00 | hemna | I'm the only linux guy on my dev team here |
| 21:28.02 | idontwan2know | and it's hard to imagine a partner with more resources and reach than HP |
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| 21:28.16 | Mousey | hemna: well keep fighting the good fight! |
| 21:28.20 | jhojho | webos on superdome =) |
| 21:28.21 | Mousey | one person can make a difference! ^_^ |
| 21:28.39 | idontwan2know | Considering that some of us were rooting for Lenovo, HP is a dream come true. |
| 21:28.41 | jacques | one person *can indeed* make a difference |
| 21:28.49 | jhojho | jobs? |
| 21:28.50 | hemna | I have opened a lot of eyes here to linux. some are considering it. |
| 21:28.58 | halfhalo_T400 | Lenovo couldn't make palm succed like hp can |
| 21:29.09 | Mousey | hemna: show 'em compi |
| 21:29.09 | Mousey | z |
| 21:29.12 | Mousey | hemna: show 'em compiz |
| 21:29.18 | hemna | heh |
| 21:29.29 | Kyusaku | HP advertising connections = good thing |
| 21:29.39 | idontwan2know | halfhalo_T400: agreed, but the others mentioned were likely only after Palm for IP |
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| 21:29.41 | hemna | funny thing is....I have an ATI chipset on my laptop.... |
| 21:29.44 | hemna | it won't run compiz :( |
| 21:29.48 | hemna | wah wah wah |
| 21:29.54 | halfhalo_T400 | HP, while I'm not a fan of their consumer devices, makes nice buisness stuff |
| 21:29.55 | Mousey | time to req a new laptop! ^_^ |
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| 21:30.03 | oil | oh, chrisa using wirc :) |
| 21:30.06 | Marajin_ | hemna: mmmm ATi on linux |
| 21:30.08 | psykoz | Boo to HP :( |
| 21:30.11 | Marajin_ | the joy I had with that over the years |
| 21:30.18 | Mousey | most ATI chips will run compiz. the real trick is getting direct rendering working at all to begin with |
| 21:30.24 | Marajin_ | yep |
| 21:30.34 | hemna | it was a miracle to get my dual monitor setup working...but it does work. just no compiz :( |
| 21:30.48 | Mousey | ok, dual head AND compiz on ATI? now you're asking for a lot |
| 21:30.59 | halfhalo_T400 | I have dual monitor compiz working off my 3470... |
| 21:31.32 | hemna | yah, I'm ok with at least having dual head |
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| 21:32.10 | Marajin_ | Go mad, go for quadhead! |
| 21:32.47 | idontwan2know | Now you're just getting crazy. |
| 21:32.51 | hemna | I'm pretty happy with 3840 x 1200 |
| 21:32.56 | idontwan2know | sedates Marajin |
| 21:33.30 | halfhalo_T400 | I just have my laptop running two 1440x900 in linux |
| 21:34.21 | Marajin_ | idontwan2know: aww.. |
| 21:34.47 | Marajin_ | I'm british, I reserve the right to go bonkers |
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| 21:46.19 | flare576 | So.... I guess i don't have to try to port WebOS to PC.... |
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| 21:54.43 | hemna | :) |
| 21:55.53 | jbrett | sees hemna's ":)" and raises him a w00t ;) |
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| 22:06.20 | flare576 | So, from what we know about the Linux behind the current webos, would a dual-booting tablet be feasible if someone wanted to run another OS beside our beloved WebOS? |
| 22:06.21 | flare576 | I have to imagine the answer is "obviously yes," but just for my sanity :) |
| 22:07.02 | RamsesFSFE | flare576: If you are able to install a boot manager, why not? |
| 22:07.12 | Mousey | yay grub |
| 22:07.13 | RamsesFSFE | flare576: I run a Debian in a chroot. Works fine |
| 22:07.29 | RamsesFSFE | Mousey: does grub work? |
| 22:07.33 | flare576 | I thought so, but that makes me happy |
| 22:07.57 | Mousey | RamsesFSFE: in general? yes. on a tablet? unknown |
| 22:08.24 | RamsesFSFE | Mousey: I know that it works in general. I use it every day ;-) |
| 22:08.32 | Mousey | you reboot everyday?! |
| 22:08.39 | jacques | I thought grub was x86-only |
| 22:08.44 | Mousey | probably |
| 22:08.58 | RamsesFSFE | Mousey: Sure. I turn my computer off when I go to bed. ;-) |
| 22:09.18 | Mousey | what? weird |
| 22:09.44 | RamsesFSFE | Mousey: no, energy efficient and environment friendly. |
| 22:09.47 | flare576 | Mousey: can't have it going sentient. |
| 22:10.02 | Mousey | i for one welcome our new digital overlords |
| 22:10.26 | flare576 | hah. Well, back to work for me. |
| 22:10.31 | idw2k|wirc | quit sucking up, Mousey |
| 22:10.50 | rwhitby | morning |
| 22:11.38 | jacques | re rwhitby |
| 22:11.52 | jacques | I guess you heard the news about HP buying Palm |
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| 22:13.44 | rwhitby | only just then from the backlog |
| 22:13.50 | rwhitby | is it confirmed? |
| 22:13.57 | bpadalino | indeed |
| 22:13.58 | Tibfib | yep |
| 22:14.07 | rwhitby | confirmed by Palm? |
| 22:14.10 | bpadalino | yep |
| 22:14.14 | rwhitby | URL? |
| 22:14.18 | bpadalino | http://blog.palm.com/palm/2010/04/palm-and-hp.html |
| 22:14.21 | Tibfib | precentral.net |
| 22:14.24 | Tibfib | engadget.com |
| 22:14.31 | Guest91529 | the internet |
| 22:14.36 | Guest91529 | wtf im a guest |
| 22:14.44 | Tibfib | twitter |
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| 22:15.37 | hemna | palm posted on facebook a bit ago |
| 22:15.46 | rwhitby | cool. hp-internals.* domains are available :) |
| 22:16.47 | oil | well, unless they change the name of the os from webos, we're probably good :) |
| 22:17.21 | jhowirc | hey chuqui and lemketron |
| 22:17.28 | sethron|work | the PHP phone? |
| 22:17.36 | zsoc | HP's stockholders slideshow basically says "WebOS is awesome and we want to make it go forward faster" |
| 22:18.19 | Tibfib | sethron|work: the HPalm Pre |
| 22:18.23 | hemna | sethron|work, sign me up. |
| 22:18.30 | zsoc | HPre? |
| 22:18.37 | Tibfib | HPixi |
| 22:18.39 | hemna | we can't complete the acquisition fast enough :) |
| 22:19.05 | chuqui | hey... |
| 22:19.19 | halfhalo_T400 | grrrr |
| 22:19.22 | hemna | The transaction is expected to close during HPâs third fiscal quarter ending July 31, 2010. |
| 22:19.53 | vmlemon_ | predicts that they'll rebrand it to HP Mobile Platform for Linux(TM) |
| 22:20.14 | oil | thats a horrible name |
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| 22:21.18 | hemna | I doubt they'll change the name |
| 22:21.24 | hemna | WebOS is a really good one IMO |
| 22:21.33 | jacques | I agree WebOS is a good name |
| 22:21.50 | sethron|work | or maybe the PHP phone, for the dyslexic |
| 22:21.57 | vmlemon_ | PHPre! |
| 22:22.03 | vmlemon_ | HPre? |
| 22:22.28 | joshua___ | iPaq 2 |
| 22:23.18 | vmlemon_ | PrePaq'd |
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| 22:24.26 | Mousey | is preload(8) a good idea for pre? |
| 22:24.41 | zsoc | hm? |
| 22:24.42 | SDP | just read in a NY Times article that HP bought 3COM too. Let's bring back the "Pilot" name :) |
| 22:24.51 | zsoc | SDP: yep :D |
| 22:24.53 | Mousey | totally |
| 22:25.00 | zsoc | the HP WebOS Pilot |
| 22:25.01 | Mousey | because Palm Pilot doesn't sound phallic at ALL! |
| 22:25.05 | rwhitby | so this HP news is only 2 hours old |
| 22:25.11 | Mousey | basically |
| 22:26.42 | jhowirc | previous. |
| 22:27.01 | rwhitby | hp-webos.* is also available :) |
| 22:27.12 | EvanDotPro | lol rwhitby |
| 22:27.13 | jacques | interesting :-) |
| 22:27.34 | rwhitby | and webos-slate.* :) |
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| 22:27.42 | LarrySteeze | yo |
| 22:27.53 | LarrySteeze | what's up all |
| 22:28.31 | zsoc | Palm bought HP |
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| 22:28.53 | sethron|work | rwhitby: you sure like the '-' |
| 22:29.22 | LarrySteeze | i saw that |
| 22:29.58 | rwhitby | sethron|work: hey, your old Pre is in pieces at the moment :) |
| 22:29.59 | LarrySteeze | I'm wondering what, if any, effect it will have on the relationship we have with them |
| 22:31.15 | tmzt_ | gps? |
| 22:31.18 | LarrySteeze | although to be honest, I'm incredibly excited at the prospect of a webos tablet...it's something I was hoping palm would do |
| 22:31.46 | sethron|work | rwhitby: hope it's not like humpty dumpty |
| 22:32.09 | LarrySteeze | people are blinded by the iPhone, but if a tablet came out soon enough, the strengths of the OS would certainly shine |
| 22:32.37 | tmzt_ | 17SAAB8DM:27 < Mousey> well HP is still a huge MS supporter |
| 22:32.39 | rwhitby | sethron|work: it actaully still boots while mostly in pieces |
| 22:32.53 | sethron|work | ponders how cool it would be to run stellarium on a webOS tablet and look up at night |
| 22:32.56 | tmzt_ | isn't HTC the one that just paid to license some patents from Microsoft? |
| 22:33.02 | EvanDotPro | you know what sucks? i missed the news so i didn't have a chance to sell my stock at $6+ :( |
| 22:33.03 | hemna | yup |
| 22:33.17 | LarrySteeze | I am disappointed though. I was hoping to see palm to go it alone |
| 22:33.31 | Mousey | tmzt_: no that was Google |
| 22:33.32 | sethron|work | rwhitby: fascinating |
| 22:33.51 | Mousey | LarrySteeze: that's been said a lot in here today |
| 22:34.12 | LarrySteeze | I believe it |
| 22:34.21 | rwhitby | sethron|work: with two out of four connectors disconnected, it still boots without the keyboard or camera board assembly connected |
| 22:34.35 | LarrySteeze | but with a bigger company backing Palm, it may help with developer relations |
| 22:34.50 | rwhitby | sethron|work: I'll probably put up some pics today |
| 22:34.51 | LarrySteeze | and by developer, I don't really mean for the app catalog |
| 22:35.07 | LarrySteeze | I mean more like...I want friggin google voice to be better. |
| 22:35.49 | tmzt_ | Mousey: was it? the reporting is wrong then |
| 22:36.00 | Mousey | well i saw google |
| 22:36.01 | halfhalo_T400 | second shot at plus on sprint... |
| 22:36.20 | tmzt_ | it was for android devices (but not clear if the patents were supposed to be linux, ril or directly related to the android code base) |
| 22:36.43 | Mousey | well knowing MS, that FUD's on purpose |
| 22:37.02 | tmzt_ | I guess the interesting thing here is we have three serious unix-based mobile os's (on phones) |
| 22:37.10 | tmzt_ | maybe four if nokia commits to theirs |
| 22:37.18 | LarrySteeze | my other fear is that the OS may become more locked down |
| 22:37.35 | Mousey | no maybe about it, Maemo is still a superior linux-based phone OS than all others |
| 22:37.46 | tmzt_ | mine is more of an assurance that the code remains proprietary, not that that was going to change anyway |
| 22:37.52 | LarrySteeze | meaning eventually, we may be forced to custom roms instead of tweaks for some |
| 22:38.04 | tmzt_ | or then, maybe they could suprise us by opening a tiny bit of it |
| 22:38.11 | Mousey | platforms that force custom roms rarely last.. apple notwithstanding |
| 22:38.21 | tmzt_ | of course that just leads down the android 1.5/1.6/aosp path |
| 22:38.30 | LarrySteeze | you mean moving more towards an open-source approach? |
| 22:38.31 | tmzt_ | so I don't expect it to be available to anyone to license |
| 22:38.35 | Mousey | hell even linksys and dlink are embracing the OEs and the tomatos and such |
| 22:38.36 | hemna | I dunno. HP sells a lot of linux hardware |
| 22:38.55 | hemna | I don't see a reason they would start locking it down and stripping it |
| 22:39.04 | Mousey | HP is a massively hugegantic linux sponsor |
| 22:39.05 | tmzt_ | well, HP/cpq/DEC were the ones with the first linux pda I think, sharp shortly after |
| 22:39.10 | tmzt_ | unless you count lineo |
| 22:39.19 | joshua | http://hp.sourceforge.net/ |
| 22:39.38 | tmzt_ | my favorite thing would be an upstream kernel that works on both omap and msm devices |
| 22:39.46 | tmzt_ | airlife is snapdragon based right? |
| 22:39.56 | LarrySteeze | part of me wishes HTC would have been the buyer, if there had to be one...because they have such a strong hardware angle. But my biggest fear with them would have been throwing webos away...they have a strong commitment to microsoft and google. |
| 22:40.09 | tmzt_ | nah, HTC would have used it to springboard Sense to an OS |
| 22:40.18 | Mousey | well a commitment to google is at least in the general direction of linux |
| 22:40.33 | LarrySteeze | If HTC bought it, I think it would have been for the patents |
| 22:40.51 | tmzt_ | so reports today that Google pulled the Nexus from vzw over customization issues |
| 22:41.01 | tmzt_ | at 1.2b? |
| 22:41.13 | tmzt_ | that seems high when they could settle with aapl for less |
| 22:41.25 | tmzt_ | 17SAAB8DM:27 < Mousey> well HP is still a huge MS supporter |
| 22:41.35 | tmzt_ | I just wish HTC would have stood up to the MS patent grab |
| 22:41.45 | LarrySteeze | I hope HP doesn't try to jump on the widget bandwagon |
| 22:41.53 | Mousey | HP is big enough to have a healthy internal schitzophrenia |
| 22:42.07 | tmzt_ | slate phone gps |
| 22:42.10 | tmzt_ | hmm |
| 22:42.20 | Mousey | webos/ubuntu slate |
| 22:42.21 | tmzt_ | what's wrong with widgets? |
| 22:42.46 | tmzt_ | I'd still like to see chrome os though |
| 22:42.59 | tmzt_ | I guess that doesn't make sense in this climate |
| 22:44.05 | sethron|work | rwhitby: hope to see some demented photos :) |
| 22:44.22 | LarrySteeze | I relize HP is a huge ms supporter, but (at least in the US market), they haven't really done much with MS in the smartphone market |
| 22:45.40 | jbrett | EvanDotPro: they announced after the markets closed. You'll have a chance to sell tomorrow :) |
| 22:46.26 | EvanDotPro | jbrett: oh nice i didn't pay attention to the times. i guess that makes sense, most (or all) takeovers are announced after closing. |
| 22:46.29 | jbrett | LarrySteeze: every phone HP has made has been a wimo/wince device, what do you mean? |
| 22:47.11 | tmzt_ | when's the last phone they made? |
| 22:47.53 | jbrett | the 910 IIRC. Sometime late last year? |
| 22:47.57 | tmzt_ | of course it's interesting to see what HP was saying about consumer earlier today |
| 22:48.01 | tmzt_ | before the announcement |
| 22:48.25 | tmzt_ | and noticing that HP and Dell are both treating it as a sort of undesirable segment at present, with hopes of changing that |
| 22:48.53 | hemna | the iPaq was the last HP phone afaik. |
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| 23:04.01 | tmzt_ | so Apple blocks third party dev environments from targeting it's devices, webkit starts to become a lowest common denominator for mobile applications, but without a packaging solution for offline |
| 23:04.45 | tmzt_ | and handset makers actually move closer to first party OSs and fragmentation across form factors |
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| 23:05.13 | tmzt_ | which the Android meme seemed to be contradicting |
| 23:06.38 | tmzt_ | this also leaves the question of what HP will do about x86-based mobile devices, such as the 'lauded' slate |
| 23:07.31 | dgathright | I think HP, who up until the now the biggest name in Windows tablets, paying $1.2 billion to ditch Windows is a pretty bad sign for MS tablets. |
| 23:08.06 | tmzt_ | if they were serious about Windows tablet they'd buy motion anyway |
| 23:08.30 | tmzt_ | first big OEM to do so wins that segment, though toshiba could make a play with toughbooks, and Lenovo of course |
| 23:08.31 | hemna | even better. |
| 23:08.56 | tmzt_ | hemna: I'd love to see what they could do with arm hardware |
| 23:09.06 | tmzt_ | once the dropped iPads start piling up |
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| 23:19.45 | PuffTheMagic | tmzt_: webOS can run on the Slate |
| 23:20.00 | PuffTheMagic | webOS does not need arm hw |
| 23:20.19 | PuffTheMagic | tmzt_: in fact, webOS WILL run on the Slate |
| 23:20.41 | PuffTheMagic | i would bet money on it |
| 23:22.10 | jhowirc | webos already runs on the emulator which is x86 |
| 23:25.30 | tmzt_ | right, I'm aware |
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| 23:35.49 | oil | oh, video youtube controls changed |
| 23:36.25 | Mousey | we still gettin' flash right? |
| 23:40.20 | oil | wonders what that gray cable is nt4cats has coming out of his pre |
| 23:41.02 | zsoc | notices nt4cats is not here |
| 23:41.12 | oil | didn't |
| 23:41.51 | zsoc | wonders why oil doesn't nt<tab> |
| 23:41.59 | oil | typed it out |
| 23:42.02 | zsoc | doesn't type out anyone's name, not even oil |
| 23:42.08 | oil | types short names |
| 23:42.15 | oil | like i never type puffs nick |
| 23:42.16 | zsoc | realizes o-i-l is probably faster than o-i-<tab> |
| 23:42.36 | tmzt_ | cable? |
| 23:42.44 | halfhalo_T400_ | monkey? |
| 23:42.58 | oil | maybe it was just audio |
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| 23:49.49 | Abyssul | Hey |
| 23:50.02 | oil | hey |
| 23:50.09 | zsoc | hey hey hey |
| 23:51.19 | rwhitby | listens to PalmCast .... |
| 23:51.42 | Abyssul | Wish there was a way install patches where the file is on ur phone |
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| 23:52.17 | LarrySteeze | sorry, was afk |
| 23:53.11 | LarrySteeze | I know every phone HP has made has used windows mobile....but my point was that HP hasn't exactly gained much market share...or put out many mobile phones |
| 23:54.42 | Abyssul | Too bad we won't see the result of the merge til like the end of the year |
| 23:55.11 | LarrySteeze | yeah... |
| 23:55.33 | LarrySteeze | but above all...I just want a webos tablet. AND I don't want to wait until the end of the year for it |
| 23:55.53 | Abyssul | Prob at the end of the year to tell the truth |
| 23:56.08 | bpadalino | i think the results of the merger will be apparent relatively quickly .. in terms of developers coming aboard and investing time with an HP backing versus just Palm |
| 23:56.10 | halfhalo_T400_ | gives up in the palmcast chat |
| 23:57.01 | Abyssul | We are thinking of hardware though |
| 23:59.18 | bpadalino | oh |
