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| 00:32.42 | LarrySteeze | 'ello all! |
| 00:33.17 | LarrySteeze | rwhitby, you hiding in here? |
| 00:33.52 | rwhitby | yes |
| 00:36.17 | LarrySteeze | thank you for introducing me to openwrt |
| 00:36.54 | LarrySteeze | I've since become addicted to a different but similar project, dd-wrt |
| 00:37.26 | zsoc | i like both |
| 00:37.45 | zsoc | but clearly openwrt is much more.. open :> |
| 00:37.46 | FuMan | dd-wrt has more micro versions, that work on newer routers, right? |
| 00:38.08 | gkatsev | there is also the tomatoe router |
| 00:38.15 | FuMan | tomato doesn't run on anything |
| 00:38.21 | LarrySteeze | well, for me, only dd-wrt currently supports my router |
| 00:38.28 | gkatsev | mostly linksys |
| 00:38.30 | FuMan | i mean, if i had a big mem old school router, tomatoe would be my first choice |
| 00:38.34 | LarrySteeze | it's an asus |
| 00:38.37 | FuMan | but it can't run on anything in like the last 5 years |
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| 00:38.48 | FuMan | or, at least i thought |
| 00:38.50 | LarrySteeze | no |
| 00:38.59 | LarrySteeze | tomato supports newer routers |
| 00:39.10 | LarrySteeze | but it's more limited support |
| 00:48.01 | rwhitby | openwrt has one key overriding feature for me: I have commit rights. |
| 00:48.23 | zsoc | ha |
| 00:51.08 | LarrySteeze | ah |
| 00:54.56 | rwhitby | anyone know where to get source code for http://www.droidforums.net/forum/chevyno1/32272-update-new-kernels-low-voltage-medium-voltage-3-25-2010-a.html ? |
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| 01:21.07 | zsoc | rastaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 01:25.22 | uNiXpSyChO | is back. |
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| 02:02.11 | sbromwich | anyone awake who's willing to test a kernel for me? |
| 02:02.15 | sbromwich | I have a rather odd one |
| 02:02.37 | sbromwich | I need someone to check if there are subliminal video effects, or if it's just someone with a rather odd app icon |
| 02:15.03 | FuMan | THIS GUY |
| 02:15.12 | FuMan | I'm your huckleberry |
| 02:15.24 | sbromwich | groovy |
| 02:15.34 | sbromwich | www.fop.ns.ca/pre/uImage_1416_vidtest |
| 02:15.39 | sbromwich | install easy countdown timer |
| 02:15.48 | FuMan | what if i have it already installed |
| 02:16.18 | FuMan | and what is the effect |
| 02:16.49 | FuMan | cause if you are talking about that odd color flicker / movement or whatever |
| 02:16.51 | FuMan | i get that already. |
| 02:16.52 | sbromwich | look at the app icon out of the corner of your eye, then move the launcher up and down to see if the app icon itself shimmers, almost in a subliminal way |
| 02:16.54 | sbromwich | oh. |
| 02:17.23 | FuMan | I never really noticed it until this afternoon, when ive been running the caj2008 uimage |
| 02:17.32 | FuMan | but then again, ive never paid as much attention to my launcher |
| 02:17.32 | sbromwich | in that case, do you want to try the new kernel? :-) |
| 02:17.43 | FuMan | sure |
| 02:17.45 | sbromwich | one of my test cases is wobbling the launcher up and down |
| 02:17.49 | FuMan | the one you just posted? |
| 02:17.52 | sbromwich | yup |
| 02:18.05 | sbromwich | so far, with the settings I've given, it's my fastest yet |
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| 02:18.16 | FuMan | i dont scroll up and down, on 4x4, but i still see it sideways |
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| 02:18.58 | sbromwich | ok, its not me or the kernel or the alcohol then ;-) |
| 02:19.19 | sbromwich | still testing everything works though |
| 02:19.29 | uNiXpSyChO | i had too much vodka. |
| 02:19.36 | uNiXpSyChO | i am seeing things |
| 02:19.37 | zsoc | uNiXpSyChO: haven't we all |
| 02:19.43 | zsoc | uNiXpSyChO: don't die |
| 02:19.47 | sbromwich | *grin* |
| 02:19.51 | sbromwich | good call. |
| 02:19.56 | zsoc | sbromwich: quick instructions for kernel install? |
| 02:19.56 | jammasterclay | I am getting script errors when using peware. Any tips? |
| 02:19.57 | zsoc | from bin |
| 02:20.01 | sbromwich | had forgottent he vodka in the freezer. |
| 02:20.12 | FuMan | !! |
| 02:20.16 | zsoc | has skittles vodka around |
| 02:20.20 | FuMan | ok |
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| 02:20.26 | FuMan | what the hell is with skittle vodka |
| 02:20.30 | FuMan | i had never seen that, until about a week ago |
| 02:20.39 | sbromwich | zsoc: cd /tmp && wget www.fop.ns.ca/pre/uImage_1416_vidtest && novaterm |
| 02:20.40 | FuMan | and i've seen it like 5 times since, and its awful |
| 02:20.42 | uNiXpSyChO | vodka still in brown paper bag |
| 02:20.44 | sbromwich | tellbootie recover |
| 02:21.02 | zsoc | let me make sure the right phone is plugged in lol |
| 02:21.06 | FuMan | novacom boot mem:// < /location/of/image |
| 02:21.11 | FuMan | wahoo, i know the tricks now :) |
| 02:21.14 | sbromwich | what FuMan said |
| 02:21.27 | sbromwich | *grin* |
| 02:21.37 | sbromwich | brb |
| 02:21.41 | FuMan | sbromwich, command I can run to make sure my event.d script ran correctly, and i've got all the scalers setup right? |
| 02:22.07 | FuMan | i could probably just cat one of the frequency checker thingies |
| 02:22.22 | FuMan | but, thats me brancing and pretending i know what that command does |
| 02:23.05 | zsoc | novacom boot mem:// < /tmp/uImage_1416_vidtest ? |
| 02:23.35 | FuMan | well, i don't store the uimage on my device |
| 02:23.41 | FuMan | never really thought about doing that, but i suppose that would wor |
| 02:23.42 | FuMan | k |
| 02:24.33 | zsoc | .. no it's not on my device |
| 02:24.35 | zsoc | i have it locally |
| 02:25.07 | FuMan | oh, yeah |
| 02:25.14 | FuMan | you crazy kids |
| 02:25.19 | zsoc | ... |
| 02:25.19 | FuMan | that makes a lot more sense, then yes, thats the command |
| 02:25.25 | zsoc | yeah doesn't work |
| 02:25.33 | FuMan | did you tellbootie recover first? |
| 02:25.36 | zsoc | oh |
| 02:25.37 | zsoc | right |
| 02:25.41 | FuMan | mark it. |
| 02:25.45 | FuMan | just fixed someones problem |
| 02:26.01 | zsoc | ok perfect |
| 02:26.02 | zsoc | i like this |
| 02:26.10 | zsoc | FuMan: you only need to tell me once :D |
| 02:26.19 | zsoc | holy crap that is fast |
| 02:26.20 | PuffTheMagic | yo i need the brains of some other people |
| 02:26.25 | zsoc | PuffTheMagic: drink more |
| 02:26.32 | PuffTheMagic | no no |
| 02:26.41 | FuMan | idiot threshold question |
| 02:26.48 | PuffTheMagic | well |
| 02:26.51 | PuffTheMagic | not too complicated |
| 02:26.52 | PuffTheMagic | but |
| 02:26.58 | PuffTheMagic | idk what to do |
| 02:27.02 | FuMan | if i tried to make a script in etc/event.d to run a buch of echo commands for scaling ferquency |
| 02:27.20 | PuffTheMagic | i have a variabled that goes between -1 and 1 |
| 02:27.38 | PuffTheMagic | i want to change the color of something based on that |
| 02:27.49 | PuffTheMagic | like a gradient or something |
| 02:27.58 | FuMan | would i need to include a mount -o, remount,rw/ in there? |
| 02:28.28 | zsoc | sbromwich: what voodoo is this? |
| 02:28.33 | sbromwich | yeah |
| 02:28.40 | zsoc | it launches apps so fast |
| 02:28.42 | sbromwich | zsoc: I'm playing with video power savings |
| 02:28.47 | sbromwich | er |
| 02:28.50 | sbromwich | it does? |
| 02:28.54 | zsoc | shrugs |
| 02:28.56 | zsoc | is it 800? |
| 02:29.00 | sbromwich | it's 800 |
| 02:29.09 | zsoc | i don't know, i haven't played with kernels really except an old 800 one i've had forever |
| 02:29.12 | sbromwich | with the settings I gave it should clock down to 125 |
| 02:29.26 | FuMan | sbromwich, i would need to remount,rw/ at the start of the event.d script? |
| 02:29.43 | sbromwich | I thought it was almost acceptable, I don't know it's vodoo |
| 02:29.51 | sbromwich | FuMan: progbalby not a bad idea |
| 02:29.58 | zsoc | FuMan: yes |
| 02:30.00 | FuMan | its weird |
| 02:30.04 | sbromwich | FuMan: mamouton? |
| 02:30.05 | FuMan | a few of the commands in there stuck |
| 02:30.14 | FuMan | but some didn't |
| 02:30.24 | FuMan | scaling max and min were in effect, but anticipatory was not |
| 02:30.25 | zsoc | PuffTheMagic: i think GLSL does something like that |
| 02:30.36 | PuffTheMagic | no |
| 02:30.45 | PuffTheMagic | thats way way way way more than i need |
| 02:30.50 | PuffTheMagic | actually i need 0 1 |
| 02:30.51 | sbromwich | check uname -a to make sure it's current |
| 02:30.53 | PuffTheMagic | so grayscal will work |
| 02:30.58 | PuffTheMagic | but colors would look nicer |
| 02:31.38 | sbromwich | oh, the cpufreq settings don't need / rw |
| 02:31.40 | FuMan | Ap 17 PREEMPT |
| 02:31.42 | sbromwich | or anticipatory |
| 02:31.48 | sbromwich | ok, that sounds right |
| 02:31.59 | sbromwich | do you find the vodeo any faster? |
| 02:32.02 | sbromwich | or the video |
| 02:32.06 | FuMan | hrm, then I wonder why my powers bias and stuff didn't stay |
| 02:32.20 | sbromwich | hmmm |
| 02:32.28 | sbromwich | let me check against mine |
| 02:32.50 | FuMan | and when you say video, you literally mean video playback? |
| 02:33.18 | sbromwich | I mean... I guess graphics card would be hte best analogy |
| 02:33.36 | Lumiere | does anyone know the size of webosdoctorp100ewwsprint-1.3.5.jar |
| 02:34.01 | Lumiere | or a md5sum |
| 02:34.56 | FuMan | ill run N.O.V.A. for a bit, see if it acts crazy |
| 02:35.11 | Lumiere | nm |
| 02:35.18 | FuMan | hahah, well, thats not good |
| 02:35.43 | zsoc | o gawd |
| 02:35.53 | FuMan | fair bit of flicker / tearing |
| 02:36.15 | sbromwich | is that 3d? |
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| 02:36.21 | FuMan | jah |
| 02:36.31 | sbromwich | have you got glyder2? |
| 02:36.55 | FuMan | no, but ill grab it |
| 02:36.59 | sbromwich | ta |
| 02:37.05 | FuMan | I'm getting a lil bit of flicker in mp4 playback as well |
| 02:37.12 | sbromwich | k |
| 02:37.40 | Lumiere | great... I have 1.3.1 and 1.4.0 |
| 02:37.40 | FuMan | and im using the suggested settings in the 1.4.0 melt your phone series" thread |
| 02:37.44 | Lumiere | but not 1.3.5 |
| 02:38.21 | Lumiere | does anyone know where I can get the 1.3.5 doctor? |
| 02:38.22 | sbromwich | I'm seeing the cpu hanging but video is smooth as silk |
| 02:38.56 | sbromwich | oh, it's coming back to normal |
| 02:38.58 | sbromwich | yeah |
| 02:39.04 | sbromwich | this one is not good for 3d |
| 02:39.27 | FuMan | nor video playback in general for me |
| 02:39.53 | sbromwich | ok, let me recompile a bit less aggressively |
| 02:41.03 | FuMan | will be outlining... holler |
| 02:41.30 | sbromwich | ta :-) |
| 02:43.03 | PuffTheMagic | all |
| 02:43.06 | PuffTheMagic | finally |
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| 02:43.15 | PuffTheMagic | got a tracking number for th ephone |
| 02:43.50 | zsoc | PuffTheMagic: yay :D |
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| 02:53.52 | LarrySteeze | anyone around? |
| 02:53.59 | zsoc | always |
| 02:54.04 | zsoc | we have no lives |
| 02:54.21 | zsoc | we are slaves to rod |
| 02:54.26 | nt4cats | I have a life, but I'm doing a production deployment right now, so I'm here. |
| 02:54.43 | nt4cats | Okay, I was lying about the 'having a life' part. |
| 02:54.52 | zsoc | nt4cats: so i was thinking about it. if i went to philly i'd have to go to games wearing a mets jersey.. is this ok? |
| 02:54.53 | Lumiere | lol |
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| 02:55.15 | Lumiere | ugh |
| 02:55.16 | nt4cats | zsoc: Phillies fans are 100x more friendly than Eagles fans |
| 02:55.38 | zsoc | nt4cats: good to know. it helps that you have the best team in baseball :p so there's not much to be mad about lol |
| 02:55.39 | nt4cats | zsoc: you might get called an a-hole by a few drunks, but that'd be the worst of it. |
| 02:55.48 | Lumiere | notes that getting setup to work on auto building needs to be tweaked |
| 02:57.08 | uNiXpSyChO | someone take my keyboard away...i rebooted my workstation instead of me Pre...too much vodka |
| 02:57.14 | nt4cats | zsoc: if you went to an Eagles game in a NY jersey you would be subjected to constant rude and agressive verbal abuse, people would try to pick fights with you, and you'd probably have random things thrown at you (e.g. hot dogs, eggs, empty cups, half-full cups, etc.). I speak from personal experience here. |
| 02:57.19 | zsoc | uNiXpSyChO: i've done that a few times |
| 02:57.30 | zsoc | nt4cats: that's bad |
| 02:57.32 | nt4cats | uNiXpSyChO: you pressed Orange-SYM-R on your workstation? |
| 02:57.46 | zsoc | nt4cats: ever get anywhere with that python stuff? |
| 02:57.50 | nt4cats | zsoc: yes, Eagles fans are pigs |
| 02:58.24 | uNiXpSyChO | nt4cats: i thought i was in novaterm but wasnt... typed reboot. POOF... |
| 02:58.28 | nt4cats | zsoc: My biggest learning curve there would be the WIDK toolchain ... haven't gone there yet |
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| 02:58.56 | zsoc | nt4cats: do you have any cross compile experience at all? |
| 02:59.38 | nt4cats | zsoc: nope, I've always developed on my native platform. Lots of c/c++ in my day, so the language stuff isn't intimidating |
| 03:00.12 | zsoc | nt4cats: ah, well really "cross compiling" is just a fancy build environment. So if you're familiar/comfortable with silly build environments, you should be good. Also, it helps in the widk that sb2 does /everything/ for you |
| 03:00.13 | nt4cats | zsoc: I don't think it'll be that hard ... it is just a question of time |
| 03:00.18 | zsoc | yeah i gotcha |
| 03:00.56 | zsoc | nt4cats: did you have a specific goal for the libs? i wouldn't mind getting them together and getting them staged, if you had some software in mind that would depend on them |
| 03:01.07 | zsoc | i'm quite interested in PyGame myself |
| 03:02.33 | nt4cats | zsoc: I just noticed that optware's python installed a bunch of optware-compiled libraries that I am pretty sure there are already palm versions for (e.g. sqlite, openssl). That's what made me think that I should just compile my own python |
| 03:03.00 | nt4cats | (and I have compiled python a bunch of times already to get a specific version on a platform that didn't provide it) |
| 03:03.02 | zsoc | yeah it should be pretty straight forward |
| 03:03.12 | zsoc | nt4cats: how did you end up in these parts again? |
| 03:03.19 | zsoc | these parts being webos-internals |
| 03:03.59 | nt4cats | I came here when I wanted to get ssh access to my pre back in August-ish. I liked the folks here and wish I had time to contribute as a dev, so I've kinda hung out. |
| 03:04.37 | zsoc | got it :) |
| 03:04.40 | zsoc | </interview> |
| 03:05.28 | nt4cats | My biggest contributions so far are a several lines of changes to make some webos-internals-hosted script compatible with fair-dinkum ... and I've updated the wiki periodically |
| 03:06.01 | zsoc | we love wiki updaters :D |
| 03:06.10 | Lumiere | ugh I just realized that the toolchain maker for build.git |
| 03:06.11 | zsoc | i know of a few articles that are literally 6 months useless lol |
| 03:06.30 | Lumiere | does the same thing as the crosscompile.git toolchain maker |
| 03:06.41 | Lumiere | ah here we go |
| 03:06.57 | zsoc | Lumiere: yeah, we are trying to get them merged |
| 03:07.04 | zsoc | Lumiere: can't get sb2 to run on mason tho |
| 03:07.23 | Lumiere | zsoc: I am hoping to find a way to integrate buildbot |
| 03:07.42 | zsoc | what would it do? |
| 03:07.43 | Lumiere | with some of this |
| 03:07.48 | Lumiere | automated builds |
| 03:07.57 | zsoc | ... er.. what's wrong with mason? |
| 03:07.57 | Lumiere | and visualizations |
| 03:08.09 | zsoc | and it's log file? lol |
| 03:08.30 | Lumiere | is mason the name of the server? |
| 03:08.31 | Lumiere | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:09.09 | zsoc | yes |
| 03:09.18 | Lumiere | buildbot would run on mason :) |
| 03:09.27 | zsoc | oh, sounds fun |
| 03:10.02 | Lumiere | it's a python package that does build automation and allows building on multiple slaves :) |
| 03:10.29 | Lumiere | http://buildbot.net/trac |
| 03:11.04 | zsoc | interesting |
| 03:11.35 | Lumiere | zsoc: http://www.python.org/dev/buildbot/stable/ is python's waterfall |
| 03:12.42 | Lumiere | my thought was that buildbot could run whatever tests existed on commit/merge to HEAD |
| 03:12.52 | Lumiere | and build the ipkg on tagging a release |
| 03:15.46 | Lumiere | zsoc: just wish there were more tests ;) |
| 03:16.07 | Lumiere | I can at least run Make to ensure they compile |
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| 03:19.13 | zsoc | oh god |
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| 03:21.15 | Lumiere | zsoc|away: lol? |
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| 03:36.27 | FuMan | sbromwich, for what its worth, after sitting for 20 minutes |
| 03:36.38 | FuMan | my phone was unresponsive, requiring a battery pull |
| 03:36.45 | FuMan | not a huge fan of that particular kernel |
| 03:38.11 | FuMan | annnnnnnnnd my usb door just officially broke, lame |
| 03:42.19 | nt4cats | FuMan: I'm about 1/32nd of an inch of plastic from the same thing (usb door almost broken) |
| 03:44.08 | FuMan | its been bad for a couple weeks |
| 03:44.13 | FuMan | but, it done broked. |
| 03:44.47 | sbromwich | swizz :-( |
| 03:45.29 | sbromwich | I pulled the volume tabs off mine and just use the microswitches |
| 03:45.36 | sbromwich | people seem to find that odd for some reason |
| 03:46.20 | FuMan | can't for the life of me understand why |
| 03:48.05 | sbromwich | the volume tabs on there were irritating |
| 03:48.22 | sbromwich | the way I hold the phone the volume kept going up... and up... and up... |
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| 03:49.44 | sbromwich | Linux palm-webos-device 2.6.24-palm-joplin-3430 #7 PREEMPT Sat Apr 17 03:42:31 UTC 2010 armv7l unknown |
| 03:49.50 | sbromwich | trying that no |
| 03:49.51 | sbromwich | e |
| 03:49.54 | sbromwich | w |
| 03:50.03 | sbromwich | 3d++ |
| 03:50.12 | sbromwich | cam++ |
| 03:51.05 | sbromwich | youtube++ |
| 03:51.53 | sbromwich | www.fop.ns.ca/pre/uImage_141-6.7 |
| 03:51.58 | sbromwich | if anyone wants to try it |
| 03:52.07 | FuMan | sbromwich, also, that eye trick glimmer of easy countdown |
| 03:52.17 | sbromwich | oh yeah |
| 03:52.18 | FuMan | exists on stock, and caj kernel |
| 03:52.33 | FuMan | or, maybe im just making myself see it at this point :> |
| 03:52.34 | sbromwich | still does it |
| 03:52.50 | sbromwich | my depth perception is screwed and just looking at it not moving I'm having difficulty |
| 03:53.05 | uNiXpSyChO | caj doesnt have a kernel |
| 03:53.39 | FuMan | whatever, caj's ipk |
| 03:53.47 | FuMan | which, if im not mistaken, you don't wanna claim ownership of. |
| 03:54.32 | uNiXpSyChO | cuz its old kernel build and not my ipk. |
| 03:54.33 | sbromwich | lends uNiXpSyChO a bargepole |
| 03:54.41 | FuMan | although that is something i've wondered... as you've distanced yourself from his biz, and his forum spreading has increased... are you seeing a portion of those kickbacks? |
| 03:55.15 | uNiXpSyChO | i see nothing from the kickbacks. i work for free. |
| 03:55.21 | sbromwich | ditto |
| 03:55.30 | sbromwich | well... I work to get a faster phone for myself. |
| 03:55.34 | FuMan | hrm, being the middle man is probably working out well for him |
| 03:56.08 | FuMan | sbromwich, ill have to wait a couple days before I decide... but I can see differences in little areas that are improvements over the caj ipk |
| 03:56.11 | uNiXpSyChO | i have alot of other words for it... |
| 03:56.41 | FuMan | no doubt. |
| 03:56.43 | sbromwich | FuMan: you should be getting better intra-thread performance and better battery life |
| 03:56.56 | FuMan | im really curious how itll handle battery life in roam |
| 03:57.01 | FuMan | the pre is awfultastic in roam to begin with |
| 03:57.10 | FuMan | but dropping the 800ipk in there, was brutalface. |
| 03:57.15 | sbromwich | the only issues you might have is voice or wan connectivity, which I'd be interested in |
| 03:57.17 | sbromwich | yeah |
| 03:57.24 | FuMan | and I roam in class and at work, 70 percent of my day |
| 03:57.28 | sbromwich | there's a problem with the USBHOST timer which I *might* have fixes |
| 03:57.34 | sbromwich | s/s$/d$/ |
| 03:57.51 | sbromwich | do you get a lot of dropouts? |
| 03:58.00 | FuMan | as in dropped calls? |
| 03:58.04 | sbromwich | or does it just disconnect? |
| 03:58.31 | sbromwich | well, either it'll powersave when it shouldn't and you'll get audio drops, or the carrier signal will fail and you'll get a dropped call |
| 03:58.37 | sbromwich | that's my theory |
| 03:58.58 | sbromwich | I can't seem to replicate the problem though... but the resume from suspend is better |
| 03:59.48 | sbromwich | have you seen that one FuMan when you turn the phone on from suspend and it hangs or restarts luna? |
| 03:59.59 | FuMan | since your kernel, no |
| 04:00.04 | FuMan | prior, 4-5 daily |
| 04:00.19 | sbromwich | ok, sounds like the extra udelay is helping |
| 04:00.48 | FuMan | and i havent really made many calls on your kernel, so im not sure about the dropouts, only been at it this afternoon, and its been a day of study :> |
| 04:01.26 | sbromwich | ok, I'll be interested in how that pans out |
| 04:02.05 | sbromwich | I was told WAN and voice would be the major concern as (if I understand aright) the clock signal would not stay in sync with the provider's clock signal but would drift and cause lost packets |
| 04:02.25 | sbromwich | and therefore sufficient lost packets = dropoutss, enough lost packets = lost call |
| 04:03.22 | uNiXpSyChO | you can also increate the signal gain in the radio firmware |
| 04:03.30 | uNiXpSyChO | increase |
| 04:04.17 | bpadalino | by changing the frequency of the OMAP they think you're gong to lose packets due to frequency offset ? |
| 04:04.17 | sbromwich | hmmm... not sure if that would make a difference but it might be worth a go |
| 04:05.46 | sbromwich | bpadalino: I'm not convinced I understand the base reason but from what I understand the ondemand freq scaling changing the system clock somehow has a knock-on effect to the USB, which then causes problems for timing for packets going to the provider |
| 04:06.51 | bpadalino | sounds a little silly .. i would imagine that is more interrupt driven than worrying about clock ticks |
| 04:08.29 | sbromwich | did you see that april fool's joke patent that was posted that said palm had come up with some new overclocking method? |
| 04:08.42 | bpadalino | i did not .. have you got a link ? |
| 04:09.07 | sbromwich | it's on precentral somewhere... let me see if I can find it |
| 04:09.12 | bpadalino | ok |
| 04:11.14 | sbromwich | bugger... I can't find it |
| 04:11.23 | sbromwich | it was a sod to find when I talked to uNiXpSyChO about it |
| 04:12.00 | sbromwich | essentially they're powersaving by piggybacking whatever they can on one antenna instead of two, and idling the chipsets in turn |
| 04:12.06 | sbromwich | (again, as I understand it) |
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| 04:12.13 | bpadalino | neat |
| 04:12.54 | sbromwich | so the idea is that, say, wifi and WAN can be run off one antenna one at a time while the other antenna is idle and saving power |
| 04:12.58 | sbromwich | I *think* |
| 04:13.22 | sbromwich | it's kinda like single duplex taken to a whole new level |
| 04:13.34 | sbromwich | sorry, half duplex |
| 04:13.42 | ka6sox | that slows things down. |
| 04:13.57 | sbromwich | saves power, though |
| 04:14.03 | ka6sox | indeed.... |
| 04:14.27 | sbromwich | and I think it has the option of deciding if the CPU is busy doing stuff and if there's genuinely stuff going on will turn on both antennae |
| 04:14.38 | ka6sox | to troubleshoot this temp sensor I need a logging app. |
| 04:14.54 | ka6sox | wonder what shell is on there... |
| 04:15.02 | bpadalino | ash i thought |
| 04:15.35 | sbromwich | bash is available too from ipkg-opt |
| 04:15.44 | bpadalino | also true |
| 04:16.16 | ka6sox | okay...bash script it is. |
| 04:16.34 | FuMan | anyone here on a macbook? |
| 04:16.45 | ka6sox | yes |
| 04:16.52 | FuMan | ka6sox, cup your balls |
| 04:17.02 | FuMan | and then option+shift +volume change |
| 04:17.30 | FuMan | o_O |
| 04:17.35 | FuMan | learned something today |
| 04:18.23 | sbromwich | 5. After the system is suspended, the resume operation does not |
| 04:18.25 | sbromwich | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:18.27 | sbromwich | 6. Once the system enters OFF state, resume event from the keypad |
| 04:18.29 | sbromwich | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:18.31 | sbromwich | 7. Resume event from the touchscreen does not wakeup the system. |
| 04:18.33 | sbromwich | 8. When OFF mode is enabled and system is allowed to stay idle for |
| 04:18.35 | sbromwich | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:18.37 | sbromwich | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:18.39 | sbromwich | OMAP35x EVM Linux PSP - Release Notes |
| 04:18.43 | sbromwich | how coincidental. |
| 04:19.10 | bpadalino | neat, quarter steps in volume change |
| 04:19.11 | sbromwich | SDOCM00055519 USB RNDIS-NFS retries observed on insmod of |
| 04:19.12 | sbromwich | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:19.14 | sbromwich | SDOCM00055520 USB CDC/RNDIS- The EVM does not sense the |
| 04:19.16 | sbromwich | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:19.18 | sbromwich | even more so |
| 04:19.57 | FuMan | bpadalino, yeah... the most braindead sorostitute on the planet showed me that today |
| 04:20.18 | bpadalino | neato |
| 04:20.40 | sbromwich | this looks amazingly similar to the pre hardware. |
| 04:20.56 | sbromwich | SDOCM00055260: In loopback sample application, the video |
| 04:20.58 | sbromwich | displayed on the LCD has interlacing artifacts when viewing fast |
| 04:21.00 | sbromwich | moving objects. This is because the input video is in interlaced mode |
| 04:21.02 | sbromwich | @ 30 FPS while the LCD works in progressive mode @ 60 FPS. The |
| 04:21.04 | sbromwich | frame rate conversion and de-interlacing is not done in the current |
| 04:21.06 | sbromwich | sample application. |
| 04:21.08 | sbromwich | =flicker. |
| 04:21.38 | bpadalino | bed time for me .. night |
| 04:21.49 | ka6sox | nite |
| 04:21.57 | sbromwich | laters, bpadalino |
| 04:22.21 | sbromwich | wasn't someone complaining about the camera not being open source? |
| 04:23.03 | sbromwich | http://gitorious.org/omap3camera |
| 04:24.17 | uNiXpSyChO | the Pre has diff hardware than the EVM board. somewhat |
| 04:25.42 | sbromwich | but it seems to have many of the same problems |
| 04:25.47 | sbromwich | EHCI driver doesn't leverage the power saving features supported |
| 04:25.48 | sbromwich | by the silicon as it doesn't enable/ disable usbhost clocks effectively |
| 04:25.50 | sbromwich | while doing data transfer. |
| 04:25.52 | sbromwich | for eg. |
| 04:26.14 | sbromwich | USB audio/video stress failure obsereved when both audio and video |
| 04:26.15 | sbromwich | are run in parallel for one full day. |
| 04:26.32 | sbromwich | ie someone watched youporn videos for 24 hours straight. |
| 04:26.42 | FuMan | guilty |
| 04:26.47 | uNiXpSyChO | yep... cuz the core SoC has most of that built in. |
| 04:27.52 | sbromwich | yeah, but they seem to have used the same code base |
| 04:28.12 | sbromwich | I'm just wondering if there's anything in there I can nick to stuff in to my kernel |
| 04:28.36 | uNiXpSyChO | you can always code snippet from TI's kernels |
| 04:28.42 | uNiXpSyChO | they're old tho |
| 04:30.02 | sbromwich | sep 2009 |
| 04:30.07 | sbromwich | must be something newer than that |
| 04:30.21 | uNiXpSyChO | thier kernels? |
| 04:30.39 | ka6sox | sbromwich, its mainline I think in .28 |
| 04:31.25 | sbromwich | yeah, there must be a repo somewhere they're using that has public access |
| 04:31.33 | sbromwich | ka6sox: of course it is. |
| 04:31.43 | sbromwich | mutter imprecations under his breath |
| 04:31.46 | uNiXpSyChO | http://linux.omap.com/pub/kernel/3530evm/ |
| 04:32.03 | sbromwich | I wonder when a newer version might come out on the pre. |
| 04:32.12 | sbromwich | thanks uNiXpSyChO for being my lazyweb |
| 04:32.13 | ka6sox | oh... |
| 04:32.29 | sbromwich | 2008? |
| 04:33.04 | uNiXpSyChO | yep, old. but may be useful stuff in there. i havent dug through it enough |
| 04:33.35 | sbromwich | ahhh |
| 04:34.45 | sbromwich | ah-hah, the dsp must be overclocked as well |
| 04:35.00 | uNiXpSyChO | it sure is |
| 04:35.40 | uNiXpSyChO | wonders if he just put his foot in his mouth |
| 04:37.29 | ka6sox | bbs |
| 04:38.14 | sbromwich | oh fuck |
| 04:38.21 | sbromwich | tms320 |
| 04:38.33 | sbromwich | I thought I'd seen the last of that crap when I left USR :-/ |
| 04:45.13 | sbromwich | Powering OMAPTM3 With TPS65950: |
| 04:45.15 | sbromwich | Design-In Guide |
| 04:45.20 | sbromwich | I think this might be closer |
| 04:49.01 | sbromwich | ah-hah, so *this* is what DVFS is all about |
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| 09:28.05 | hape_ | infobot: log |
| 09:28.06 | infobot | log is, like, http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/openmoko-cdevel/ for #openmoko-cdevel only. Maybe you meant "~logs" ? |
| 09:28.18 | hape_ | MiX-MaN: see last line |
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| 09:32.50 | oil | usually uses http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/webos-internals/ |
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| 09:38.56 | rwhitby | sbromwich: are you saying that the udelay changes fixes the restart luna on resume bug? |
| 09:50.55 | oil | rwhitby: re preware post: it should prefer whichever feed has the highest version |
| 09:51.22 | oil | then most recent release |
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| 09:53.52 | rwhitby | oil: agreed. I think it does that, but I stuffed up when trying to keep as much information as possible for the saved package list |
| 09:54.45 | rwhitby | so I think the appcat flag is being retained when it should not be |
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| 13:02.36 | sofia | hi! |
| 13:05.19 | sofia | anyone know why the WOSQI doesnt recognizw that there is a device already connected and behaves as if there was none? |
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| 13:20.05 | bpadalino | http://news.slashdot.org/story/10/04/17/1144220/Hardware-Accelerated-Ogg-Theora-For-Firefox-Mobile - for people interested |
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| 13:34.28 | VincentLaw | bpadalino: interesting except that OGG is pretty much dead for HTML5 |
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| 14:29.35 | sbromwich | rwhitby: I believe so, I've ramped it up to comparably excessive levels and I haven't had it hang yet |
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| 14:34.43 | sbromwich | rwhitby: could you check I'm doing commits right on mason when you get a chance? |
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| 15:25.58 | Darkmagister | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:26.05 | Darkmagister | after the 1.4 update .. i have some problem .. now i tried to update the message plugin |
| 15:26.10 | Darkmagister | but now all my account don't work |
| 15:26.17 | Darkmagister | i used gtalk and jabber and no one work ... some one can help ? and i cant remove the patch .... |
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| 15:33.37 | jettero | I just got a decal girl sticker for my pre case. I can't tell for sure, but I think it's going to be awesome |
| 15:41.07 | nt4cats | what is a "decal girl"? |
| 15:41.50 | nt4cats | http://www.decalgirl.com/category.view/Palm-Pre-Skins |
| 15:41.52 | nt4cats | got it |
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| 15:43.40 | sbromwich | I had an awful feeling it was going to be one of those "look at the semi naked girlie!" apps but it actually looks rather neat |
| 15:44.14 | zsoc_wirc | I had the opposite reaction |
| 15:44.39 | sbromwich | *grin* |
| 15:44.52 | sbromwich | there seem to be an awful lot of those sort of apps on the palm catalogue, for some reason |
| 15:45.14 | zsoc_wirc | jettero: does it come with the matching wallpaper? |
| 15:46.00 | sbromwich | I'm quite impressed at how this power saving is panning out... 3D kills the battery but other than that using for "normal" use (interweebs, facebook, youtube, etc) doesn't seem to drain an awful lot more than in suspend |
| 15:46.41 | sbromwich | runtime 10h 26m, remaining life 26.86h (?) |
| 15:46.58 | sbromwich | I guess 26h ~50m |
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| 17:08.06 | sethron | can i get some assistance removing custom feeds from Preware? i have a Sprint Pre w/ 1.4.1.1, Preware 0.9.36, Preware Alpha 0.9.61, and Save/Restore 0.6.7 |
| 17:09.33 | nt4cats|errand | sethron: do you not know how to do it, or are you getting an error message when you try? |
| 17:10.36 | sethron | i am switching them on, swiping to delete, but they stay in Preware. They are for the testing feeds, but one has the wrong URL. |
| 17:11.29 | nt4cats | sethron: what version of preware are you using? |
| 17:11.41 | sethron | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:12.32 | nt4cats | sethron: okay, one variable I'm going to have to look into is where the alpha stores its feeds vs where the non-alpha does. If they share a common feed list that could be a complicating factor |
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| 17:13.19 | nt4cats | sethron: I've added / changed / removed feeds from Preware by editing the feed files on disk before -- but i don't want to break the alpha by doing this |
| 17:13.26 | nt4cats | sethron: ... checking ... |
| 17:15.48 | sbromwich | www.fop.ns.ca/pre/uImage.1.4.1-6.9.ricer |
| 17:15.52 | sbromwich | ph33r. |
| 17:15.53 | sethron | hmm, if i orange tap to remove Preware Alpha, then attempt to remove feeds from Preware, would that really remove them? Also, it seems the package manager service was unistalled. |
| 17:16.29 | sbromwich | new kernel with gcc optimisations and experimental use of Thumb code |
| 17:16.38 | nt4cats | sethron: I believe that Preware >= 0.9.35 uses the c-language service (that's 'believe', not 'guarantee') |
| 17:17.05 | nt4cats | sethron: ... and I believe the c-language service is included in the preware package (not separately like the Java service is/was) |
| 17:17.27 | asmw | ricer... lol... |
| 17:17.46 | sbromwich | does what it says on the tin ;-) |
| 17:17.50 | asmw | hmm, one shouldn't use 'lol' |
| 17:18.00 | sethron | nt4cats if true then version 0.9.36 of Preware would probably remove the package manager service, then |
| 17:18.07 | asmw | i just read what i wrote, it reads... stoopid |
| 17:18.34 | asmw | well, back to trying to brick the pre |
| 17:18.47 | sbromwich | always fun. |
| 17:19.00 | asmw | damn hard, it takes a lot of punishment |
| 17:19.09 | sbromwich | I haven't managed it yet |
| 17:19.24 | asmw | then again, I'm a little careful not to break it, it's actually my phone too :) |
| 17:19.35 | sbromwich | ditto ;-) |
| 17:20.15 | asmw | which reminds me, is there a good way to make a complete image of the internal memory and just play that back if i break stuff? |
| 17:20.26 | nt4cats | sethron: just to confirm -- you're trying to remove custom feeds (that you added), right? |
| 17:20.29 | asmw | i thought i read something on precentral, but i cannot find it anymore |
| 17:20.42 | sethron | nt4cats: correct |
| 17:20.44 | nt4cats | sethron: do you have shell access to your Pre? (ssh preferred)? |
| 17:21.19 | sethron | i could do that/ switching in to DEV mode... |
| 17:22.35 | sethron | oi, my ma just called as i was going to switch.... |
| 17:23.18 | sethron | forgot to tap ignore :) |
| 17:23.35 | nt4cats | don't ignore your ma |
| 17:23.52 | sethron | or, could I use Terminal or Terminus? |
| 17:24.45 | nt4cats | sethron: you could use terminal/terminus, but it'll be less frustrating to use a nice big window with copy/paste, scrollback, etc. |
| 17:25.27 | nt4cats | sethron: if you'd have to install a lot of stuff to get a 'real' window, go ahead and use termin[al|us]. If it isn't any more painful than booting into dev mode and using novaterm, I'd prefer that if you don't mind. |
| 17:26.07 | sethron | just have to get novacom in ubuntu karmic set up |
| 17:27.17 | nt4cats | I'm not going to tell you what to do with your phone / PC, but if you wouldn't mind using novaterm for now (and it will be helpful in future times that you want easy shell access to your phone) that'd be nice |
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| 17:27.56 | zsoc_wirc | jettero: let me know if it works with the touchstone |
| 17:28.21 | nt4cats | I don't see any of the Preware dev's active here right now ... they might want to collect debug info from you if any of them show up |
| 17:28.26 | sethron | am willing, just have to take this phone call, afterall, the Pre is a phone :) |
| 17:28.32 | nt4cats | :) |
| 17:28.56 | nt4cats | is pro-Mom, so I'll gladly wait while you talk to her |
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| 17:29.29 | jhojho | sbromwich: what thumb code are you using? |
| 17:29.47 | zsoc_wirc | nt4cats: isn't everyone pro mom? |
| 17:30.10 | zsoc_wirc | I mean, that would be like people being anti-god |
| 17:30.12 | zsoc_wirc | oh, wait... |
| 17:30.16 | nt4cats | exactly |
| 17:30.53 | caj2008 | I have a question, with an app is it possible to get stereo and no mono sound? |
| 17:31.18 | caj2008 | all my apps seem to be mono |
| 17:31.22 | zsoc_wirc | caj2008: please enumerate your description of stereo vs mono |
| 17:31.24 | sbromwich | jhojho: just enabling it in gcc to see if it makes a speed difference |
| 17:31.38 | nt4cats | caj2008: I don't understand your question ... I get stereo audio out of my phone in all apps |
| 17:31.38 | jhojho | ah |
| 17:31.46 | zsoc_wirc | caj2008: mediaserver forces 2 channel audio, from what I've seen |
| 17:31.49 | sethron | i can put the phone down for 10 minutes, pick it back up again, say, uh huh, and it would be as if i was always on the phone, don't know about your ma. |
| 17:32.00 | jhojho | sbromwich: does it? |
| 17:32.05 | nt4cats | caj2008: you could have a problem with your headset jack or with your headphones |
| 17:32.37 | caj2008 | My music player gives me stereo but apps give me sound that is mono only |
| 17:32.39 | nt4cats | caj2008: your pre does not have stereo speakers, however ... so if you're not using a headset I guess your audio output is mono |
| 17:32.42 | sbromwich | jhojho: seems to so far, I'm trying to figure out how usable it is now ;-) |
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| 17:32.53 | caj2008 | makes sense |
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| 17:33.06 | jhojho | small or big speedup? |
| 17:33.25 | sbromwich | small, I'd say |
| 17:33.51 | nt4cats | sethron: my mother, unlike most women, is anti-talking. My phone conversations with her rarely go more than 2 minutes. |
| 17:34.07 | sethron | well, bless you |
| 17:34.22 | zsoc_wirc | nt4cats: mediaserver dumps the 2 channel into pcm_output, so it's stereo audio, just out of 1 speaker |
| 17:34.49 | jhojho | nt4cats: I just checked and it seems that the package manager service is still installed for preware 0.9.36 |
| 17:34.56 | caj2008 | sbromowich: iphone is beat in all cpu.bus performance tests by Pre but incredible fluidity of OS in iphone makes is appear WebOS is more clunky |
| 17:35.22 | sbromwich | caj2008: is that with or without syslog disabled on the pre? |
| 17:35.34 | caj2008 | tried both as you suggested |
| 17:36.05 | sbromwich | and the /etc/fstab change? |
| 17:36.14 | caj2008 | WebOS has had less time to develop. |
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| 17:36.24 | caj2008 | NTW-tried your kernel |
| 17:36.46 | caj2008 | worked ok |
| 17:36.48 | nt4cats | zsoc_wirc: "stereo audio out of 1 speaker" is an interesting concept ;) I guess it is different from strictly mono because it you hear both channels, just not separated left/right. |
| 17:37.02 | caj2008 | intersting |
| 17:37.04 | nt4cats | jhoho: thanks for checking that -- that's interesting to know |
| 17:37.07 | jhojho | sbromwich: have you played with ##LOGS# |
| 17:37.09 | jhojho | ? |
| 17:37.10 | sbromwich | I can only say that the iphone I tried was incredibly slow and laggy |
| 17:37.22 | sbromwich | jhojho: I usually just watch dmesg |
| 17:37.25 | caj2008 | depends on what is on phone I guess |
| 17:37.41 | caj2008 | wife is calling me...will be back later |
| 17:38.11 | sbromwich | I am trying it now to see how well it doesn't work, jhojho ;-) |
| 17:38.21 | sethron | nt4cats: okay, Pre in dev mode just charging, connect to rig |
| 17:38.52 | jhojho | i only heard about it from palm who is trying to track down the missing calls issue |
| 17:39.01 | nt4cats | sethron: for the normal preware (not alpha) the feeds are stored in /media/cryptofs/apps/etc/ipkg/ |
| 17:39.07 | jhojho | I get random missed calls now since 1.4.0 |
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| 17:39.35 | nt4cats | sethron: I haven't grabbed the alpha ipkg yet to see where it stores its feeds (kids + lunch distracted me) -- grabbing it now |
| 17:40.06 | sbromwich | jhojho: do the calls get missed with power off? |
| 17:40.23 | sbromwich | and the log creation just gave me a blowfish encrypted file :-/ |
| 17:40.36 | jhojho | power is on. screen is not. |
| 17:40.53 | sbromwich | yeah, that's the udelay thing, I think |
| 17:40.55 | jhojho | I just get told that the call went straight to vm later |
| 17:41.34 | sbromwich | phone can't wake up the display and returns fail so the telco side of the phone does the next best thing and sends the call to vm |
| 17:41.46 | sbromwich | at a guess, anyway |
| 17:41.54 | sethron | nt4cats: i see them |
| 17:42.48 | sethron | my guess is that Preware and Preware Alpha share them from that location |
| 17:43.16 | jhojho | what is udelay set to right now by palm? |
| 17:43.18 | sbromwich | jhojho: do you have a PIN set on your phone? |
| 17:43.20 | sbromwich | 10 |
| 17:43.25 | jhojho | no pin set |
| 17:43.29 | sbromwich | for the specific bit I'm thinking of |
| 17:43.52 | sbromwich | jhojho: if it's not too much hassle I'd be interested to know if you get intermittent hangs at the PIN entry screen as well |
| 17:43.53 | nt4cats | sethron: I've manually unpacked the alpha .ipkg and am checking |
| 17:44.23 | jhojho | sbromwich: describe scenario pls. |
| 17:44.39 | jhojho | does it just pause when/after entering pin? |
| 17:44.58 | nt4cats | sethron: yep, the postinst script of this package sets up its feeds in the same directory |
| 17:45.29 | sbromwich | jhojho: in a hang scenario: turn phone on, get bluesky logo, sometimes get the pin entry option, phone just sits there and does not let you enter a number, after a seemingly arbitrary # of seconds (usually <10) luna restarts |
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| 17:45.57 | nt4cats | sethron: you should be able to disable feeds by renaming them to {feed}.disabled, and if you remove the feed files that should delete them. |
| 17:46.02 | sbromwich | if it gets as far as letting you enter the pin I don't recall getting a crash after |
| 17:46.07 | jhojho | weird |
| 17:46.12 | jhojho | I get a different issue. |
| 17:46.13 | sethron | nt4cats: so, do i just rm feedname.conf.disabled ? |
| 17:46.35 | sbromwich | yeah... it's all related to prcm_pwr.c and coming out of suspend, I think |
| 17:46.41 | nt4cats | sethron: if you want to be paranoid, create a subdirectory there called 'archive' and mv the feed files there |
| 17:46.48 | nt4cats | tends to be paranoid |
| 17:46.51 | jhojho | sometimes when I try to unlock. I dont get the wallpaper and the lock |
| 17:46.54 | sethron | nt4cats: they are disabled i want to remove the one with the incorrect URL |
| 17:46.58 | sbromwich | the most common scenario is pressing the button and nada, then either the phone locks up, reboots or restarts luna |
| 17:47.01 | jhojho | I get whatever the active card is and the lock |
| 17:47.22 | sbromwich | inserting/removing the usb cable in particular makes it stroppy |
| 17:48.17 | sbromwich | what I did was replace udelay(10) with 3 * udelay(50) and put a udelay(1) in between each device wakeup |
| 17:48.40 | sbromwich | I think I might have to use udelay(2) or 4 * udelay(50) as it's still not perfect, but it's a lot better |
| 17:48.54 | FuMan | sbromwich, that ricer config still need the same bias blah blah from the melt thread? |
| 17:49.01 | sbromwich | yeah |
| 17:49.28 | sbromwich | well... tweak powersave_bias and up_threshold to your personal phone, but the rest of it should be pretty generic |
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| 17:50.08 | sethron | nt4cats: now there is a Feed named archive |
| 17:50.21 | sbromwich | depending on how lucky your are you might be able to get away with powersave_bias=0 and up_threshold ridiculously low, like 20 |
| 17:51.19 | nt4cats | okay, mv archive /media/internal/ |
| 17:51.34 | sbromwich | jhojho: there's also an issue with overclocked phones and USBHOST causing DVFS issues which might explain your problem |
| 17:51.46 | nt4cats | (shut down preware before you move the directory) |
| 17:52.00 | asmw | how can subsequent 'make stage' calls result in sometimes getting a working build and sometimes not? shouldn't whis stuff be a little deterministic or something? |
| 17:52.02 | jhojho | my phone was displaying such behavior even when clocked normally |
| 17:52.18 | sbromwich | jhojho: probably not the USBHOST issue then |
| 17:52.38 | sbromwich | asmw: are you using make -j? |
| 17:52.48 | asmw | sbromwich: no |
| 17:53.04 | sbromwich | asmw: then my suggestion would have been incorrect :-) |
| 17:53.10 | asmw | sbromwich: I'm trying to set up a fresh WIDK in a new VM |
| 17:53.11 | sethron | nt4cats: super groovy tyvm |
| 17:53.43 | nt4cats | sethron: if I see any of the preware dev's here today I'll let them know about your problem |
| 17:53.43 | asmw | sbromwich: I just wanted to make stage libsdl, which deps to glib first which failed |
| 17:53.54 | asmw | sbromwich: make stage again, now it works |
| 17:54.09 | sbromwich | asmw: did glib fail with an assembler error? |
| 17:54.37 | sethron | nt4cats: also, it does seem strange that I no longer have the package manager service, but that does not seems to affect my situation. |
| 17:56.07 | nt4cats | sethron: yes, that's strange -- my Pre still shows the package manager service installed (v0.9.45) |
| 17:56.42 | sethron | nt4cats: do you have Preware Alpha on your Pre? |
| 17:57.27 | nt4cats | sethron: nope -- not yet at least |
| 17:57.39 | sethron | hrm |
| 17:58.59 | asmw | sbromwich: no, during configure while checking the size of pthread_mutex_t or somesuch |
| 17:59.25 | asmw | sbromwich: strange place to error anyway, it succeded testing other sizes before that |
| 18:00.15 | sbromwich | asmw: not the error I was thinking of either than... feel free to ask if you want incorrect answers though! ;-) |
| 18:01.21 | asmw | sbromwich: I'll see if it happens again, I'm not keen on reproducing the error as long as it works :) |
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| 18:08.47 | sethron | to remove bad ffed from Preware : http://webos.pastebin.com/07KGaaVJ |
| 18:11.29 | nt4cats | sethron: that was nice of you to do. I'll turn that into a page on the webos-internals.org wiki |
| 18:12.16 | sethron | nt4cats: cool: peace out. |
| 18:12.27 | sbromwich | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:12.46 | sethron | sbromwich: tyvm |
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| 18:24.46 | sbromwich | it would appear that appending "ricer" to a kernel name makes many, many PC users download it. |
| 18:25.02 | nt4cats | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Manually_Remove_Preware_Feeds |
| 18:25.06 | sbromwich | I would guess around 5% of them actually manage to boot it. |
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| 18:25.43 | nt4cats | sbromwich: try appending 'boobies' and see how that does |
| 18:26.09 | sbromwich | looks good, nt4cats |
| 18:26.10 | sbromwich | heh |
| 18:26.20 | sbromwich | perhaps that'll be the next one then |
| 18:29.24 | sbromwich | made your english even betterer, nt4cats |
| 18:30.11 | sethron | nt4cats: tyvm |
| 18:30.53 | nt4cats | sbromwich: impossible, I live in the country that invented English. |
| 18:31.56 | sbromwich | documentation should be written in the passive voice |
| 18:32.11 | sbromwich | has written faaaar too much docco in the past |
| 18:33.21 | sbromwich | oh, I know, I'll call a kernel ".booby" because I "think" there may be a boobytrap in there |
| 18:33.25 | sbromwich | that should make it popular |
| 18:34.00 | nt4cats | points out to sbromwich that I live in suburban Philadelphia, which some people would consider incompatible with the "... country that invented ..." claim |
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| 18:34.41 | sbromwich | refrains from mentioning anything about colonialists ;-) |
| 18:34.46 | nt4cats | "booby" is less likely to get thousands of geeks all excited when compared to "boobies" |
| 18:34.58 | sbromwich | boobies trap? |
| 18:35.15 | sbromwich | IIRC booby is a type of bird too |
| 18:35.42 | nt4cats | saw a pic on reddit that would be perfect for "boobies trap", but is nsfw |
| 18:35.56 | sbromwich | is not at work |
| 18:37.34 | nt4cats | sbromwich: are you offended by pictures of the bare chestal regions of nubile women aged (approximately) 19-25? |
| 18:38.16 | sbromwich | not excessively, but I might insert a reference to said pic in my next kernel |
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| 18:41.13 | sethron | mmmmm boobies |
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| 18:45.09 | sbromwich | in quantity, no less |
| 18:45.24 | zsoc_wirc | more than 2? |
| 18:45.30 | sbromwich | mmm |
| 18:46.08 | zsoc_wirc | sbromwich: saw it on reddit last week |
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| 18:46.56 | juwen | can anyone help with installing themes in Preware, i am able to download but the installation keeps failing |
| 18:46.59 | nt4cats | zsoc_wirc: I clearly identified it as "saw a pic on reddit ..." |
| 18:47.22 | zsoc_wirc | nt4cats: ah, sorry, I'm working.. not paying so much attention |
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| 18:48.38 | fds | installing preware now, looking forward to it. |
| 18:48.45 | Guest23587 | Goal is to get ssh working |
| 18:49.27 | sbromwich | recommends openssh |
| 18:50.56 | sbromwich | just make sure your ssh keys are set up right |
| 18:51.51 | juwen | can anyone help with installing themes in Preware, i am able to download but the installation keeps failing |
| 18:52.35 | juwen | i have tried over 10 themes and the same thing happens it download and install but fails |
| 18:52.50 | juwen | anyone got this issue before |
| 18:56.36 | sethron | is hungry and stepped way to feed |
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| 18:57.53 | Guest23587 | thanks sbromwich |
| 18:58.40 | Guest23587 | Unfortunately my OSX 10.5.8 java cannot launch WebOSQuickInstall.jar or PrewareInstaller |
| 18:58.43 | Guest23587 | [0x0-0x5a15a1].com.apple.JarLauncher[11908]: Exception in thread "AWT-EventQueue-0" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: javax/swing/GroupLayout$Grou |
| 19:00.26 | sbromwich | Guest23587: beats me, I've never used either, sorry |
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| 19:01.42 | Guest23587 | no problem, thanks |
| 19:02.00 | Guest23587 | Seems like my Java version is incompatible, looking further |
| 19:03.19 | sbromwich | if you've got novaterm I got the bitly shell script thing working when I did it, if it helps |
| 19:03.24 | bpadalino | 10.5.8 is java 1.5, right ? |
| 19:04.39 | sbromwich | I'm off to get stuff ready for the boy coming home, laters |
| 19:04.43 | Guest23587 | Fixed: needed to move SE 6.0 to the top of the list in Java Preferences app |
| 19:04.48 | Guest23587 | as described here http://forums.precentral.net/canuck-software/206905-webos-quick-install-v2-96-a.html |
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| 19:53.37 | Guest23587 | Love this preware, its software engineering done right. |
| 19:53.47 | Guest23587 | Long live the pre (I just hope that happens) |
| 19:54.07 | Guest23587 | (How do you change your nickname?) |
| 19:54.12 | Guest23587 | \Nick: fds |
| 19:54.21 | Guest23587 | \nick fds |
| 20:00.16 | bpadalino | wrong slash .. |
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| 20:03.20 | zsoc_wirc | er, /nick newnick |
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| 20:41.10 | rwhitby | Guest23587: use WOSQI 3.1 for a start, 2.96 will not work on the latest webOS version |
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