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| 00:25.03 | dtzWill | jacques: got X11 rendering correctly \o/ |
| 00:26.01 | FuMan2 | x11!!! |
| 00:26.06 | FuMan2 | doesnt know what that is |
| 00:26.37 | dtzWill | FuMan2: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_Window_System |
| 00:28.31 | jacques | dtzWill, excellent! how did you do it? |
| 00:28.50 | dtzWill | jacques: it's kinda embaressingly simple once I figured it out :/ |
| 00:29.01 | jacques | oh? :-) |
| 00:29.04 | dtzWill | jacques: haha but these things often are hehe. also I have a habit of making things unnecessarily complicated |
| 00:29.20 | dtzWill | but simple is good and simple means it's more likely to work... if it's the right kinda simple |
| 00:29.23 | dtzWill | anyway |
| 00:29.40 | dtzWill | it appears SDL_Init was getting called in a different thread than the rest--it wasn't the select at all, that was a red herring. |
| 00:30.15 | dtzWill | jacques: the select code is what would end up calling a handler that called SDL_PollEvents which in turn called SDL_PumpEvents... which long story short gets grumpy when you call it on the wrong thread |
| 00:30.49 | dtzWill | frankly I haven't traced how it was on a different thread (I rather thought x was single threaded, although maybe I'm wrong), but as a sanity check I migrated some pieces of code and voila |
| 00:31.28 | jacques | dtzWill, wow. yeah I also thought kdrive was single-threaded |
| 00:31.42 | jacques | dtzWill, did you commit it yet? :-D :-D |
| 00:32.15 | dtzWill | well I don't have a repo on webos-internals for it yet |
| 00:32.18 | dtzWill | i've been using my own setup |
| 00:32.18 | jacques | heck it took me a while the other night to just find X's definition of Select() |
| 00:32.26 | dtzWill | which isn't publicly readable ...yet |
| 00:32.33 | dtzWill | but it probably belongs hosted on webos-internals regardless |
| 00:33.02 | dtzWill | and a good question to think about after we get X going |
| 00:33.08 | jacques | some of the X libs (which kdrive depends on) can be configured to use poll() and some cannot |
| 00:33.26 | dtzWill | is, well I have my own ideas for it (We're doing some crazy project with it), but as far as the general webos community goes |
| 00:33.27 | jacques | and it looks like kdrive itself uses Select() defined to select() |
| 00:33.33 | dtzWill | yes, agreed |
| 00:33.42 | dtzWill | but the question is what do we do with this? |
| 00:33.48 | dtzWill | package up a general x server thing? |
| 00:34.00 | dtzWill | ship some touchscreen-friendly set of apps, etc? haha |
| 00:34.07 | dtzWill | oh the possibilities :) |
| 00:34.26 | dtzWill | good news is the server is relatively light-eight |
| 00:34.28 | dtzWill | *light-weight |
| 00:34.38 | jacques | well, part of the fun of a project like this is, if we don't want to worry about that, we don't have to - ppl will find their own uses for it |
| 00:34.46 | dtzWill | absolutely |
| 00:35.01 | dtzWill | i think i could see myself putting in the marginal extra effort to have an x server package |
| 00:35.18 | dtzWill | i mean since it already builds from cross-compile, etc |
| 00:35.20 | jacques | I want to explore a larger virtual workspace which can be scrolled and zoomed |
| 00:35.35 | jacques | (eventually) |
| 00:36.00 | dtzWill | jacques: interesting. I don't think kdrive supports virtual workspaces in that manner? maybe though, I didn't look too hard at it |
| 00:36.06 | jacques | dtzWill, what bpp are you running with? |
| 00:36.23 | dtzWill | mostly short of a proper xorg.conf or XFree86.conf or what-have-you I do'nt know how to setup a virtual res |
| 00:36.34 | dtzWill | I don't remember, shouldn't matter |
| 00:36.47 | dtzWill | the GLES one is 24bit, but this is 32 bit iirc since that's what the native surface SDL exposes is |
| 00:36.52 | dtzWill | so no reason to force the extra conversion |
| 00:36.55 | jacques | well I was seeing bad behavior with 32bpp re: alpha channel |
| 00:37.32 | jacques | but according to patch comments, that would be the best performing bpp |
| 00:37.44 | jacques | because no shadow surface would be created |
| 00:38.28 | dtzWill | jacques: agreed. actually I my x-launcher script was still doing 24--32 has a thicker cursor (perhaps alpha related?), but applications themselves eseem (quick glance) to be rendering just fine |
| 00:38.38 | dtzWill | jacques: was the alpha issue mostly that the alpha channel bits were never set/cleared? |
| 00:38.47 | dtzWill | jacques: so nothing a memset at the get-go couldn't fix? |
| 00:39.39 | jacques | dtzWill, it looked to me like when kdrive wrote to the surface memory, it was setting the alpha channel to 0, and SDL was incorrectly rendering things as completely transparent |
| 00:39.54 | dtzWill | jacques: oh I see. curious. |
| 00:40.34 | jacques | so, if kdrive wrote to the surface, it was black, until I went through and set the alpha to 255 for every pixel, then I could see things |
| 00:40.55 | dtzWill | jacques: that is not the behavior I'm seeing, but I don't know that it won't crop up |
| 00:41.01 | jacques | this was onlt in 32bpp, and only in card view, as full screen never showed anything other than black for me |
| 00:41.09 | dtzWill | oh card view? interesting |
| 00:41.18 | dtzWill | i'm doing most of my testing in fullscreen these days ;) |
| 00:41.28 | dtzWill | s/days/last 30 minutes/ |
| 00:41.30 | jacques | it's slightly possible that my hacking broke something |
| 00:41.46 | jacques | heh, well congrats! nice job |
| 00:41.50 | dtzWill | jacques: :D ty ty |
| 00:41.59 | jacques | this will probably help some other ppl |
| 00:42.00 | dtzWill | jacques: now off to fix the input........ :) |
| 00:42.25 | dtzWill | jacques: I would be surprised if /no one/ had some cool ideas regarding an x server |
| 00:42.52 | jacques | me too |
| 00:44.26 | dtzWill | also I'm surprised that AFAICT no one's gotten X working within android without using vnc. |
| 00:44.38 | dtzWill | i suppose for many applications the difference might be not as important |
| 00:44.49 | dtzWill | not that we're android devs, but you know :) |
| 00:44.53 | jacques | heh |
| 00:45.37 | jacques | I'm sure X could work under android the same way q3 does |
| 00:45.55 | jacques | java shim around C binary |
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| 00:46.16 | dtzWill | jacques: that's absolutely what I was thinking. unware of q3's efforts but with JNI etc that shouldn't be tooo big a deal |
| 00:46.56 | jacques | yeah I read a post by the guy who did the q3 port |
| 00:47.11 | jacques | basically thin java layer calling C lib |
| 00:47.30 | dtzWill | makes sense, really it's the way to do it. |
| 00:47.37 | dtzWill | porting to java is outta the question |
| 00:48.27 | dtzWill | rwhitby: hey now that it looks like we're making progress, don't suppose you could make an xorg git repo on webos-internals? :) |
| 00:49.07 | jacques | I think the chances are quite good :-) |
| 00:49.44 | dtzWill | yeah i didn't ask earlier because i/we had no idea why it wasn't working, so until we knew that x source needed modification didn't wanna waste the repo, but now... :D |
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| 01:00.42 | jacques | dtzWill, what would you like to call the repo? |
| 01:00.55 | dtzWill | hmm I don't really know that I have a strong opinion |
| 01:01.06 | dtzWill | xorg/x11/xorg-server, something like that?" |
| 01:01.17 | dtzWill | feel free to suggest counter ideas |
| 01:01.17 | dtzWill | haha |
| 01:03.36 | jacques | only suggestion I have is xsdl (or Xsdl) |
| 01:04.14 | jacques | tho I also don't have a strong opinion |
| 01:04.43 | dtzWill | jacques: I'm okay with Xsdl, and I suppose there's a good chance that we'll never use any other part of X |
| 01:04.54 | dtzWill | indecisive |
| 01:05.24 | dtzWill | mostly b/c it kinda doesn't matter :) |
| 01:05.30 | dtzWill | Xsdl is fine |
| 01:06.04 | jacques | hmm, Xsdl _is_ maybe over-specific |
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| 01:06.32 | dtzWill | hehe perhaps |
| 01:08.12 | epv | haha awesome, is it an X root in a webos card, or what? |
| 01:08.27 | dtzWill | install ipkg-opt's gtk, vte, and xchat haha |
| 01:08.34 | dtzWill | not that keyboard/mouse work anyway yet |
| 01:08.36 | epv | i want xterm |
| 01:08.38 | epv | heh |
| 01:08.54 | dtzWill | epv: yes, it's root within a card |
| 01:09.04 | epv | yeah keyboard translations would/will be a project, given the contortions you need to go through with the pre kbd to get special chars |
| 01:09.11 | epv | nice |
| 01:09.22 | dtzWill | so glad ipkg-opt has all the xclient stuff, including gtk haha |
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| 01:09.46 | epv | hehe yay |
| 01:09.49 | dtzWill | epv: oh for now /no/ keyboard events work. the base we're using (Xsdl) is a little unmaintained |
| 01:10.11 | epv | i see |
| 01:10.29 | dtzWill | err or mouse events. something in general with events is just broken. looking into it presently |
| 01:10.40 | epv | there's always the old sunos trick of a daemon that sits around collecting key events and feeding them to X |
| 01:10.43 | epv | heh |
| 01:12.13 | dtzWill | epv: hehe. yeah at some point I actually almost did something similar. luckily events GET to the xs erver, but the unmaintained part of the code loses them somewhere |
| 01:12.25 | dtzWill | epv: but yes, worst case I just use Xtest and feed them in that way lol |
| 01:12.32 | dtzWill | (or through some other interface) |
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| 01:13.29 | dtzWill | is there a good way to get ipkg-opt to install on the /media/internal partition? Can I just go ahead with -o /media/internal/ipkg or something? and set various env variables accordingly? :) |
| 01:13.58 | dtzWill | root partiion can't hold all the x11 goodness |
| 01:16.30 | jacques | dtzWill, do you have the WIDK installed? |
| 01:16.42 | epv | i have lost track of the ipkg situation wrt preware and all that but the authors are all in here probably |
| 01:16.51 | jacques | it should set things up so you can have the libs in /media |
| 01:17.14 | dtzWill | jacques: yeah I use the WIDK. I'm not sure what you're saying how that relates, unfortunately. |
| 01:17.18 | dtzWill | jacques: I don't have it on the phone? |
| 01:17.48 | dtzWill | jacques: ipkg-opt on the device has a bunch of libraries i'm too lazy to build myself (gtk, various x client stuff, although I actually do probably have most of that) |
| 01:17.58 | halfhalo_T400 | hmmm. I'm tempted to make an app that lets you sorta/kinda sync files from your computer to your pre only using downloadManager |
| 01:18.22 | dtzWill | jacques: the stuff I built with the WIDK I can happily through wherever since it's just... files I can scp over or what-have-you. However packages from ipkg-opt.. idk if I can easily instal them into a different root? |
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| 01:19.10 | azakus | jstop auto background gc is a go |
| 01:19.14 | jacques | dtzWill, confusingly, there is a WIDK package for webos too |
| 01:19.18 | azakus | I'll release 0.2.0 soon |
| 01:19.35 | dtzWill | jacques: that is confusing. haha. sorry. curious, I'll take a look then, ty |
| 01:19.40 | jacques | it sets up dirs and symlinks so libs can be in /media |
| 01:20.01 | dtzWill | jacques: OH i see. hey that's useful. I just use a script and my own env setting |
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| 01:20.47 | Kyusaku | how much better is jstop's Auto-GC compared to the OS's builtin function. Is it worth having? Does it improve performance? |
| 01:23.29 | dtzWill | jacques: so when I have this, can I use ipkg-opt to install to /media then? |
| 01:23.36 | dtzWill | ipkg-opt -o /media etc? |
| 01:24.39 | rwhitby | dtzWill: what repo name do you need? |
| 01:25.41 | dtzWill | rwhitby: jacques and I were debating, lol, but it doesn't really matter. xorg or so would be good, and feel free to change that if you think you should |
| 01:25.51 | rwhitby | libraries/xorg ? |
| 01:26.02 | dtzWill | rwhitby: well it's the server, fwiw. |
| 01:26.11 | jacques | it's more of an app |
| 01:26.21 | dtzWill | rwhitby: if we make the argument that it's useful as far as people use it for /other/ things I suppose it oculd be a 'library' but i wouldn't normally call it that, no |
| 01:27.50 | rwhitby | well, we have applications (which have a webOS front-end), daemons, games, kernels, libraries, plugins, services so far. |
| 01:27.58 | dtzWill | well it's x that runs in a card |
| 01:28.19 | dtzWill | hmm |
| 01:28.29 | dtzWill | it's not a game :). an if it needs a proper js webos front-end then not that either |
| 01:28.38 | rwhitby | applications/xserver ? |
| 01:28.44 | dtzWill | rwhitby: sounds good to me |
| 01:28.45 | PuffTheMagic_ | is learning cl-gtk2 |
| 01:29.02 | dtzWill | PuffTheMagic_: do it :D |
| 01:29.07 | PuffTheMagic_ | i am |
| 01:29.09 | rwhitby | dtzWill: or native/xserver ? |
| 01:29.44 | dtzWill | well i'm fine defining new categories if you' think that's the way to go. what other things do you think might go in native? any x apps we get running? :) |
| 01:30.08 | rwhitby | how about xwindows/server.git ? |
| 01:30.19 | rwhitby | or xwindows/xserver.git ? |
| 01:30.37 | dtzWill | haha those both sound good. I mean worst case if we really really really hate this later we can just 'mv' the bugger lol |
| 01:30.44 | rwhitby | then you can have xwindows/enlightenment.git later ;-) |
| 01:31.00 | dtzWill | haha :D |
| 01:31.07 | dtzWill | although didn't they get it working with sdl or something? not sure what the status of that is |
| 01:31.18 | rwhitby | so xwindows/xserver.git ? |
| 01:31.54 | dtzWill | fine with me |
| 01:31.56 | dtzWill | :) |
| 01:31.56 | dtzWill | ty |
| 01:32.17 | jacques | cool |
| 01:33.38 | rwhitby | dtzWill: git clone git@git.webos-internals.org:xwindows/xserver.git |
| 01:33.51 | rwhitby | the purists will hate "xwindows", but that's tough for them :-) |
| 01:34.07 | azakus | Kyusaku: it's exactly the same as the os gc, just fired much more often |
| 01:34.14 | rwhitby | dtzWill: so, ipkg-opt |
| 01:34.54 | jacques | oh good point - maybe it should be x11/... |
| 01:34.56 | rwhitby | dtzWill: if you've installed ipkg-opt from Preware, it will bind mount /opt from /var/opt, which is the largest ext3 place on the device. |
| 01:35.08 | rwhitby | ok, let's change to x11/ |
| 01:35.20 | Kyusaku | azakus: OIC |
| 01:35.33 | dtzWill | rwhitby: so does ipkg-opt use /opt/ by default then? or ipkg-opt -o opt with every invocation...? |
| 01:35.43 | dtzWill | rwhitby: this time around it's from preware xD :) |
| 01:35.49 | rwhitby | dtzWill: all packages in optware are compiled to install into /opt |
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| 01:36.03 | rwhitby | dtzWill: git clone git@git.webos-internals.org:x11/xserver.git |
| 01:36.09 | dtzWill | rwhitby: I see. okay. |
| 01:36.48 | rwhitby | dtzWill: but you'll want a 2GB /var using meta-doctor to install lots of stuff from optware |
| 01:37.17 | rwhitby | ipkg-opt is also compiled to read conf from /opt/etc/ipkg ... |
| 01:37.36 | rwhitby | dtzWill: ok, you need anything else from me? |
| 01:37.40 | dtzWill | rwhitby: gotcha, okay. |
| 01:37.45 | dtzWill | rwhitby: I think that's all, tyvm :) |
| 01:37.58 | rwhitby | refactored my C ipkgservice not to leak memory |
| 01:38.14 | dtzWill | jacques: http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=x11/xserver.git;a=summary :D |
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| 01:39.03 | dtzWill | jacques: haven't updated the cross_compile repo to build off git yet |
| 01:39.24 | rwhitby | ok, time to roll up the sleeves and implement the install method ... |
| 01:42.16 | PuffTheMagic_ | rwhitby: you gonna use libipkg? |
| 01:42.21 | PuffTheMagic_ | or opkg |
| 01:42.25 | rwhitby | PuffTheMagic_: neither |
| 01:42.32 | PuffTheMagic_ | what then |
| 01:42.42 | rwhitby | experimenting with ApplicationInstallerUtility |
| 01:42.46 | azakus | ok, ready to go with 0.2.0 |
| 01:42.48 | PuffTheMagic_ | ehh |
| 01:42.51 | azakus | pushing in a minute |
| 01:43.12 | FuMan2 | install method for what |
| 01:43.27 | rwhitby | FuMan2: http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=2289326 |
| 01:47.49 | FuMan2 | Hrm, sounds fun |
| 01:48.12 | FuMan2 | i look forward to my testing-feed preware going bat crazy :) |
| 01:49.26 | azakus | jstop 0.2.0 pushed |
| 01:50.08 | azakus | whoops, forgot the defilter menu item |
| 01:50.17 | azakus | 0.2.1 coming in a few minutes :P |
| 01:51.21 | FuMan2 | ugh, just played with an iphone |
| 01:52.11 | FuMan2 | every time i touch one, I get so disappointed with scrolling in WebOS :/ |
| 01:52.57 | rwhitby | gotta love it: "curl --progress-bar -k -o /media/internal/.developer/%s.ipk %s 2>&1 | tr '\r' '\n'" ==> download progress bar for Preware |
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| 02:02.17 | Mitalis | azakus what feed is jstop under? I'm not seeing it in Preware... Still showing 0.1.1 |
| 02:07.04 | azakus | Mitalis: give it a second |
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| 02:14.42 | azakus | ok, now peple can see what the url of the app is if they filter th jstop list and click the item again |
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| 02:22.04 | FuMan2 | hrm |
| 02:22.12 | FuMan2 | what good does orange tap removal do on the package manager service |
| 02:22.15 | FuMan2 | when its icon is hidden? |
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| 02:25.19 | oil | since preware and ipkgmanager would be in the same package |
| 02:25.30 | oil | orange-tap removing preware would also clean out ipkgmanager |
| 02:28.35 | azakus | huh |
| 02:28.50 | azakus | the big broken pid has the url about:blank |
| 02:28.56 | azakus | great |
| 02:29.54 | FuMan2 | oh, well there is a package manager update already |
| 02:30.13 | rwhitby | FuMan2: that's not it :-) |
| 02:30.26 | FuMan2 | i didnt think that would be relevant / released till preware 1.0.fancy |
| 02:32.28 | oil | lol |
| 02:32.36 | oil | well, with feed management working |
| 02:32.44 | oil | i think we should get over that 1.0 hump |
| 02:32.45 | oil | lol |
| 02:32.51 | oil | screw deleting cookies.dbs |
| 02:32.59 | FuMan2 | oil |
| 02:32.59 | oil | if we're switching to palms stuff anyways |
| 02:33.02 | FuMan2 | stop talking preware |
| 02:33.04 | rwhitby | oil: AIU will delete the cookies |
| 02:33.09 | FuMan2 | youve got XBL Friends to be working on |
| 02:33.09 | oil | i know |
| 02:33.28 | oil | so its not relevant for the ipkgservice problem to be holding preware from 1.0 |
| 02:33.44 | FuMan2 | you cant just post soft core porn update previews |
| 02:33.44 | oil | is tired of 0.9.x |
| 02:33.54 | FuMan2 | and then move on to other things :> |
| 02:34.00 | oil | lol |
| 02:34.19 | FuMan2 | people have the *itch* to beta test. |
| 02:34.27 | FuMan2 | ugh, irc isn't gmail |
| 02:34.37 | rwhitby | oil: I've got curl downloading the package, sending status updates with a progress bar back to Preware |
| 02:34.44 | oil | its not half as functional as the old version yet |
| 02:34.49 | oil | rwhitby, thats good |
| 02:34.54 | oil | preware can just ignore it for now xD |
| 02:35.46 | rwhitby | oil: comments on the RFC? http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=2289326 |
| 02:36.00 | oil | nothing that i haven't already said |
| 02:36.18 | oil | the only problem i see |
| 02:36.44 | rwhitby | lay it on me |
| 02:36.44 | oil | is if palm adds more security to the scripts/etc |
| 02:36.52 | oil | which makes it no longer viable for patches or what not |
| 02:37.04 | rwhitby | if they do that, we move to opkg, pure and simple. |
| 02:37.19 | oil | lol |
| 02:37.28 | rwhitby | but I'm expecting Flash to use a script, and that will cement it |
| 02:37.38 | oil | yeah |
| 02:37.45 | oil | well, im going to get dressed and get breakfast |
| 02:37.48 | oil | :) |
| 02:37.56 | rwhitby | oil: so, I need status update support in the Install spinner |
| 02:38.11 | rwhitby | oil: what's the best way to do that? |
| 02:38.37 | oil | wait, what? |
| 02:38.53 | rwhitby | oil: nm - I just noticed the commented out line :-) |
| 02:39.04 | rwhitby | (for payload.stage = status) |
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| 02:42.48 | rwhitby | woohoo! percentage download updating in Preware :-) |
| 02:45.26 | Mitalis | This is wierd, I'm seeing a process called "BORKBROKEN" process in Jstop |
| 02:45.47 | Mitalis | hmm now it randomly disappeared |
| 02:45.57 | Suruat | me too. I wondered what it meant..... |
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| 02:46.32 | Mitalis | Hey azakus, when you launch Jstop, does it automatically do a garbage collect? |
| 02:46.51 | Suruat | anyone know when that advance video edit patch by jason will be available? |
| 02:47.24 | Mitalis | what functionality is that patch supposed to add Suruat? |
| 02:47.26 | azakus | Mitalis: no |
| 02:47.31 | azakus | default is off |
| 02:47.42 | *** part/#webos-internals Suruat (~wIRCer@108.104.253.112) |
| 02:47.44 | azakus | auto gc starts 5 minutes from app launch/each auto gc setup |
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| 02:48.41 | rwhitby | Suruat: tweet @JayCanuck to ask him |
| 02:48.45 | Mitalis | if your phone restarts, and you never launch jstop, will it still auto garbage collect? Or do you have launch the program first? |
| 02:48.55 | FuMan2 | awesome |
| 02:49.06 | FuMan2 | newest pet peeve |
| 02:49.16 | FuMan2 | is when i get a vibrate, think its an e-mail |
| 02:49.19 | FuMan2 | pull it out of my pocket |
| 02:49.24 | FuMan2 | and its the luna crash vibrate :P |
| 02:49.31 | gkatsev | lol |
| 02:49.52 | FuMan2 | i may end up doctoring back to 1.3.5.1 |
| 02:49.55 | FuMan2 | this is horrid |
| 02:49.56 | gkatsev | azakus: you should change jstop to use the back gesture instead of the forward gesture as palm removed the forward gesture for some weird reason |
| 02:50.05 | Suruat | @Mitalis umm it adds more functionality to video edit, and better rename and discription features |
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| 02:51.27 | Mitalis | speaking of video.. I've noticed, if I'm in the video application where it lists the video, click on a video, and edit the name of it... It wont' load it to youtube afterwards..... |
| 02:52.00 | Mitalis | The button where you can uplload via mms, email, facebook or youtube doesn't work... |
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| 02:52.59 | FuMan2 | i still havent tried a video upload |
| 02:53.02 | FuMan2 | just heard bad things |
| 02:53.16 | Mitalis | If the video name hasn't been touched, then the upload process seems to work. |
| 02:53.27 | FuMan2 | but all edited clips tank? |
| 02:53.33 | Mitalis | no |
| 02:53.38 | Kyusaku | rwhitby: with this new system does it affect pure service apps like Jason R's SysToolsMgr? |
| 02:53.56 | Mitalis | they only seem to tank if the videos themselves have been renamed manually |
| 02:54.01 | azakus | gkatsev: I can't get the back gesture to not propagate |
| 02:54.06 | azakus | for some reason |
| 02:54.30 | rwhitby | Kyusaku: they will remain unchanged, but he'll want to put an appinfo.json file in so that you can delete it from List Apps ... |
| 02:55.33 | Kyusaku | rwhitby: I see |
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| 02:59.50 | FuMan2 | rwhitby, you got a time frame for the great change? |
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| 03:10.06 | sslow | rwhitby: ping |
| 03:13.22 | sslow | anybody here that can help w/ package manager problem? |
| 03:15.09 | rwhitby | ~ask |
| 03:15.10 | infobot | Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. |
| 03:15.29 | sslow | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:15.30 | rwhitby | FuMan2: it'll be ready when it's ready |
| 03:15.40 | rwhitby | sslow: intentional |
| 03:15.53 | halfhalo_T400 | Taking the duke nukem forever approach, I see |
| 03:15.53 | halfhalo_T400 | :p |
| 03:15.53 | sslow | ? |
| 03:16.59 | sslow | rwhitby: any idea why i have to pkill LunaSysMgr twice befor it works? |
| 03:19.53 | rwhitby | sslow: I'll push a 0.9.41 with the icon hidden again |
| 03:20.11 | sslow | rwhitby: k |
| 03:20.44 | rwhitby | pushed |
| 03:34.34 | azakus | jstop 0.2.1 has optional notifications of auto gc |
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| 03:40.54 | azakus | ok, it works |
| 03:40.56 | azakus | push in a few minutes |
| 03:42.09 | sslow | azakus: waiting impatiently lol |
| 03:48.41 | azakus | pushed |
| 03:51.13 | sslow | azakus: not seeing it |
| 03:52.20 | psykoz | so will the garbage collection in jstop keep you from getting eventual "too many cards of doom" fail when you only have 1 app open ? |
| 03:56.00 | geist | i think it does that based on system memory |
| 03:56.07 | geist | not one particular heap or whatnot |
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| 03:57.06 | prepre | how do i find out which version a palm pre has before it's activated? |
| 03:57.42 | azakus | psykoz: hopefully |
| 03:58.29 | azakus | sslow: takes up to a half hour to push |
| 03:59.43 | sslow | azakus: k....unless you are rwhitby right! lol |
| 04:01.40 | prepre | is there a way to validate what version a pre has before it's activated? if there is would u know how to do it or where i can find info on how to do this. ive been researching several days but havent had any luck finding anything yet. |
| 04:05.15 | geist | can't think of a way to do that, no |
| 04:05.37 | geist | since you can't novacom in until you've at least activated it, you can't really poke around |
| 04:06.04 | geist | well, you could do a low level boot of the installer ramdisk and mount the partition and poke around, i guess |
| 04:06.10 | geist | pretty advanced stuff, but you could |
| 04:10.40 | prepre | thx ! thats why i have no idea on how to do it since its impossible to get into the phone until it is activated. ur right, what u mentioned is pretty advanced for me. is there a "##code#" i could enter via the phone pad to access that section? |
| 04:11.24 | geist | no |
| 04:12.36 | prepre | im transferring the old phone data to a replacement phone but they pretty clear on letting the user know that it HAS TO BE the exact same version for it to work and not mess it up. |
| 04:14.39 | geist | oh you're just trying to dump the databases from one to the other? |
| 04:14.49 | geist | good luck, i can think of a few reasons that'd explode |
| 04:14.57 | geist | but yeah, same exact version would be required |
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| 04:22.23 | prepre | gheist: yes, just the one that is not backed up on the profile |
| 04:29.57 | rwhitby | prepre: is the program that is going to check the version running on a host PC ? |
| 04:30.16 | prepre | has anyone replaced a pre with another pre before that i could ask a few questions to about the steps. |
| 04:31.15 | rwhitby | 1) put everything on google, 2) wipe the new Pre, 3) sync it back from Google, 4) forget about everything else, cause it wasn't important ;-) |
| 04:31.53 | rwhitby | (unless you're well versed in sqlite3 and want to do manual transactions of undocumented format databases ...) |
| 04:32.19 | prepre | that doesnt work. im trying to save what i cannot save via google or profile and that is by copying the db3 file |
| 04:33.43 | prepre | rwhitby: what do u mean by the "program that is going to check the version"? |
| 04:35.49 | Kyusaku | I tried the do the palmdatabase swap and it just made the pre do a partial erase. |
| 04:36.06 | Kyusaku | that kinda sucked, but meh |
| 04:38.24 | egaudet | what's new |
| 04:39.18 | prepre | Kyusaku: maybe the versions were different. thats why i need to be sure before i risk it. |
| 04:40.02 | rwhitby | prepre: you can't just save and overwrite the db3 file either |
| 04:40.07 | Kyusaku | prepre: nope |
| 04:40.08 | rwhitby | even for the same version |
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| 04:40.53 | prepre | Kyusaku: so u have swaped pres before, right? do u remember if when i activated the replacement the old phone got deactivated immediately? or if u had to login to your profile immediately before being able to see the version? |
| 04:41.04 | rwhitby | egaudet: got C ipkgservice downloading stuff with curl and displaying stats in Preware as it downloads (amount downloaded, total size, time left, transfer speed) |
| 04:41.29 | Kyusaku | it was same version, I was verifying if meta-doctor was functioning correctly, for a foolish person who didn't know what they were doing. And probably replaced the db at the wrong time |
| 04:41.45 | egaudet | nice |
| 04:41.46 | rwhitby | prepre: as soon as you sign into a palm profile on the new device, it will log out of the profile on the old device and wipe all data except that in the USB drive in the old device. |
| 04:42.19 | rwhitby | egaudet: now I've got the ipkg on disk, it's finally time to start experimenting with how to install it |
| 04:42.38 | rwhitby | but I've been futzing around with the stats display for a couple of hours :-) |
| 04:43.23 | egaudet | rwhitby, is the plan to keep both script areas for the postinst/prerm? |
| 04:43.30 | Kyusaku | prepre: I have most of my stuff on Google, Facebook, Palm Profile, etc. So I wasn't too broken up about it. |
| 04:43.45 | Kyusaku | just lost some logs |
| 04:44.13 | rwhitby | egaudet: e.g.: Transferred: 105k / 457k<br>Time Left: 0:00:54<br>Transfer Speed: 25362 |
| 04:44.18 | egaudet | i.e. when we go to this new installation methods will it be easy to quickly transfer to opkg if need be and/or will it be the same process for command line |
| 04:44.41 | rwhitby | egaudet: the plan is to be able to switch to opkg at any time if need be |
| 04:45.13 | egaudet | download progress is going to be awesome :) |
| 04:45.27 | egaudet | is this all being done in preware.git ? |
| 04:45.35 | rwhitby | egaudet: yep |
| 04:49.51 | rwhitby | egaudet: just updated the Makefile in src to use the same i686 toolchain as the autobuilder does |
| 04:50.29 | rwhitby | so you can build and test it if you like. Just disable ipkgservice, restart java, and run the binary for ipkgservice |
| 04:50.59 | egaudet | is the binary just getting thrown in /var/palm/system-services/ |
| 04:51.31 | rwhitby | egaudet: it's not packaged yet |
| 04:51.46 | rwhitby | but the binary will be in the appdir/bin/ipkgservice |
| 04:52.06 | rwhitby | in /var/palm/system-services goes the dbus service description |
| 04:52.22 | egaudet | did you say before that /var/palm/event.d wasn't used on emulator? |
| 04:52.53 | rwhitby | yeah, it doesn't seem to be enabled there. I've let the relevant people know :-) |
| 04:53.33 | rwhitby | since the emulator is always writeable, I'll just special case that in the postinst and prerm |
| 04:53.45 | rwhitby | (to use old locations on emulator and new locations on devices) |
| 05:04.18 | Kyusaku | rwhitby: I'm thinking the only losers to changing Preware would be those overclockers still on 1.3.5 and those rumored BestBuy reps that put preware on the phone when you buy it(cause they might not be from a shipment flashed with 1.4) |
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| 05:05.17 | rwhitby | both would just need to use an old version of Preware I guess. |
| 05:05.54 | egaudet | Preware can be backwards compatible no? |
| 05:09.19 | prepre | has anyone swaped pres in the past? do u remember if once u activate the phone u needed to loging immediately or if that can be done after i can see the device info to see what version it is and be able to transfer the palmdatabase file? |
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| 05:10.57 | yoshiness | I'm having some trouble installing Preware |
| 05:11.24 | yoshiness | It keeps saying the Package Manager is not installed, but I'm using the latest webos quickinstall |
| 05:12.42 | Kyusaku | prepre: with a fresh pre it asks for palm profile username and password or create one once you log in, it starts pulling all your profile data and downloading your apps you have to wait. |
| 05:13.29 | Kyusaku | yoshiness: did you install the package manager service? |
| 05:14.08 | Kyusaku | via webos quickinstall |
| 05:14.38 | Kyusaku | webos quickinstall does not automatically install the package manager service, they're completely different software |
| 05:15.04 | yoshiness | I checked both Preware and the Package Manager Service, yet it won't work |
| 05:15.18 | Kyusaku | try rebooting your pre |
| 05:15.28 | yoshiness | I have. Several times. |
| 05:15.39 | Kyusaku | then remove both packages |
| 05:15.50 | Kyusaku | and install each of them one at a time |
| 05:15.58 | Kyusaku | with the package manager service being first |
| 05:18.48 | yoshiness | Restart in-between installations? |
| 05:19.05 | Kyusaku | no you shouldn't have it |
| 05:19.18 | Kyusaku | just don't stack the ipks in webos quick install |
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| 05:22.43 | yoshiness | It still won't work |
| 05:23.11 | Kyusaku | try a restart |
| 05:25.23 | Kyusaku | oh and what version of WebOS Quickinstall are you using? |
| 05:25.28 | yoshiness | 3.02 |
| 05:25.32 | Kyusaku | ok |
| 05:25.36 | Kyusaku | just make sure |
| 05:25.43 | Kyusaku | making* |
| 05:25.48 | yoshiness | My phone has 1.4 on it |
| 05:26.32 | Kyusaku | yeah just checking cause a lot of problems in the past have been due to people using severely outdated versions of webos quickinstall |
| 05:26.58 | yoshiness | It is still being dumb. It's saying the pack manager service is not running. |
| 05:27.06 | yoshiness | package* |
| 05:27.09 | Kyusaku | ok |
| 05:27.41 | Kyusaku | we can try via bootstrap method if you're ok with working in a terminal |
| 05:27.49 | yoshiness | Sure |
| 05:28.13 | Kyusaku | check the WebOS Internals feed for Terminus |
| 05:28.21 | Kyusaku | and install that |
| 05:28.35 | yoshiness | Why not just use the webos quick install command line? |
| 05:29.18 | Kyusaku | it doesn't offer a full terminal experience in my opinion |
| 05:29.25 | yoshiness | Okay |
| 05:29.47 | Kyusaku | it might not give you the confirm dialog when it asks you if you want to install it or not |
| 05:30.48 | Kyusaku | let me know when you have terminus up and running on the Pre |
| 05:31.02 | yoshiness | I don't have Terminus, but rather the Terminal app |
| 05:31.09 | yoshiness | That's all that was there. |
| 05:31.15 | Kyusaku | no |
| 05:31.22 | Kyusaku | the terminal app won't work on 1.4 |
| 05:31.28 | Kyusaku | you need Terminus |
| 05:33.28 | yoshiness | I can't find it. Just give me the commands I need |
| 05:33.53 | Kyusaku | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Preware |
| 05:34.02 | Kyusaku | go all the way to the bottom of the page |
| 05:34.11 | Kyusaku | it should give you the 3 commands you need |
| 05:36.00 | Kyusaku | hmm commandline interface is not so bad in WebOS 3.02 |
| 05:36.06 | Kyusaku | wedosQI* |
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| 05:37.21 | yoshiness | It's a little slow |
| 05:38.20 | Kyusaku | I wonder why Terminus isn't on the feeds, it's certainly working better than Terminal on 1.4 right now |
| 05:39.16 | yoshiness | Terminal isn't working at all. I just tried, and it keeps restarting my phone. |
| 05:39.16 | Kyusaku | yeah it doesn't work on 1.4 |
| 05:39.16 | Kyusaku | it's a known issue |
| 05:39.40 | Kyusaku | Terminus does work if you can get it installed. Anyways did you try the linux commandline on webos quickinstall? |
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| 05:41.29 | yoshiness | It's being dumb |
| 05:41.35 | yoshiness | It's taking a long time |
| 05:42.51 | Kyusaku | wow it sure does |
| 05:42.54 | egaudet | novaterm |
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| 05:43.04 | Kyusaku | yeah about to suggest that |
| 05:43.46 | Kyusaku | does webos QI install novaterm? |
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| 05:45.01 | egaudet | no you need SDK |
| 05:45.32 | yoshiness | Thank the lord, Preware installer did the trick. |
| 05:45.33 | Guest123 | Pre screen broke, I want to return for a new one, I also want to wipe the contents but cant put in USB mode sense screen doesn't work, any ideas? |
| 05:45.53 | Kyusaku | yoshiness: ok have fun |
| 05:46.08 | yoshiness | I gotta get to bed. My parents will kill me if they find me up this late. And plus, I've got homework to do. Heheh. |
| 05:46.15 | Kyusaku | Guest123: Orange+Sym+u |
| 05:46.47 | yoshiness | Thanks so much for your help. |
| 05:46.51 | Guest123 | ty |
| 05:49.47 | Kyusaku | that RFC thread has been pretty quiet |
| 05:49.48 | prepre | has anyone here swaped pres recently? or gotten a replacement or new pre in the last couple of months? i wonder which version it comes with. if it comes with the last one (14) |
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| 05:52.59 | tlz | howdy folks |
| 05:53.34 | prepre | hello! |
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| 05:55.48 | Templarian | Also |
| 05:56.38 | Templarian | thinks pidgin is weird I typed that in another tab and hit enter... buggy little software. |
| 05:58.40 | tlz | im having an issue with the camera on my phone |
| 05:58.46 | tlz | my phone only lets me have 21 images :( |
| 05:58.54 | tlz | keeps overwriting pictures |
| 05:59.02 | Kyusaku | do you have any camera patches? |
| 05:59.19 | oil | patches are the devil |
| 05:59.25 | tlz | im checking now, but im almost positive i dont have any for the camera |
| 05:59.43 | halfhalo_T400 | ewww |
| 05:59.45 | halfhalo_T400 | patches |
| 05:59.50 | halfhalo_T400 | what is this, 1969? |
| 06:00.06 | Kyusaku | so it restarts the photo count at 21? |
| 06:00.09 | tlz | yeah |
| 06:00.26 | tlz | no camera patches |
| 06:00.31 | Kyusaku | have you tried holding the spacebar long enough that it produces more than 21 photos in 1 shot? |
| 06:00.48 | Kyusaku | or rather in 1 instance |
| 06:00.50 | tlz | no |
| 06:01.17 | tlz | i just hit the spacebar once, and it does a new picture, and i go into my album, and some it has been written over the top of an older photo |
| 06:01.54 | Kyusaku | well do you want to try that I'm interested to see if it goes over 21 photos |
| 06:02.02 | dBsooner | Does the App Catalog contain all the Palm* feeds that are in preware? |
| 06:02.08 | Kyusaku | or restarts to 1 |
| 06:02.22 | tlz | ill try |
| 06:02.33 | tlz | let me backup the remaining photos i have left :( |
| 06:02.35 | Kyusaku | dbSooner: not really |
| 06:02.41 | tlz | lost a bunch of my niece i just took yesterday, kinda sucks |
| 06:03.12 | Kyusaku | tlz: yeah sux and please do back those up |
| 06:03.14 | xcomp | that last statement didn't read right the first time |
| 06:03.47 | Kyusaku | dbsooner: app catalog won't list web distro apps or beta feed |
| 06:06.09 | dBsooner | dang |
| 06:06.10 | FuMan | so, ive given up on 1.4 |
| 06:06.15 | FuMan | is there an easy way to block updates? |
| 06:06.23 | FuMan | so i can stay on 1.3.5.1 for awhile? |
| 06:06.29 | Kyusaku | tlz: I want to see if you can break the limit by normal means, if not there are patches that provide a special naming scheme for photos. Which should be impossible to be overwritten because the numbering/naming is based on time they were taken |
| 06:06.51 | tlz | interesting...i removed all the pictures in there |
| 06:06.57 | Kyusaku | but I want to leave patching as a last resort |
| 06:06.59 | tlz | and then i held the space bar down |
| 06:07.04 | tlz | and now its done 29 |
| 06:07.08 | tlz | and still going |
| 06:07.37 | Kyusaku | when you feel you've done enough try exiting the camera app |
| 06:07.47 | tlz | kk, i did 33 |
| 06:08.07 | Kyusaku | and starting it up again and take another set of photos to see if it overwrites the ones you just took |
| 06:08.07 | tlz | exited all apps |
| 06:08.37 | dBsooner | rwhitby: ping |
| 06:08.54 | tlz | heh, started up camera app, but its stuck at startup, camera logo didnt even flash at all |
| 06:09.18 | tlz | damn, camera app wont load |
| 06:09.34 | Kyusaku | odd |
| 06:09.53 | Kyusaku | try again |
| 06:10.08 | tlz | nothin :\ |
| 06:10.20 | Kyusaku | reboot your device then |
| 06:10.30 | tlz | k |
| 06:11.14 | Kyusaku | the camera app should not be limited in this way. I've had over 800 photos in my photo roll in the past |
| 06:11.42 | tlz | its been plugged into my pc, and when i rebooted it, the new hardware wizard is trying to find software for "OMAP3430" ive never seen that before |
| 06:12.03 | Kyusaku | lol don't worry about that |
| 06:12.27 | tlz | k haha |
| 06:12.46 | Kyusaku | that's just there for emergencies |
| 06:13.20 | tlz | k its back up |
| 06:13.30 | Kyusaku | does camera app work? |
| 06:14.11 | tlz | yea |
| 06:14.21 | tlz | ahhh, now its overwriting photos |
| 06:14.25 | tlz | i just took 2 more, and it still has 33 |
| 06:14.34 | Kyusaku | ok |
| 06:14.37 | Kyusaku | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:15.25 | Kyusaku | I don't know if you'd be interested in that photo naming scheme patch |
| 06:15.25 | tlz | scratches head :( |
| 06:15.46 | tlz | if it'll help, i dont like this losing photos stuff |
| 06:15.54 | Kyusaku | yeah I haven't head about this issue before |
| 06:16.24 | tlz | should i give it a whirl? |
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| 06:17.54 | Kyusaku | just found a thread on it |
| 06:17.55 | Kyusaku | http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre/233589-photo-limit-w-1-4-a.html |
| 06:18.04 | Kyusaku | lemme see if there's any fixes |
| 06:18.10 | Kyusaku | without patching |
| 06:18.50 | Kyusaku | ok it is apparently a known issue |
| 06:19.23 | Kyusaku | you can circumvent it for now with one of the photo naming scheme patches if you'd like |
| 06:20.01 | Kyusaku | you really need those photos you lost, some people have been able to recover some deleted data on the media drive |
| 06:20.08 | Kyusaku | lemme see if I can find the thread |
| 06:20.16 | Kyusaku | to see what software they used |
| 06:20.59 | tlz | i found one thread on palm forums, but it was regarding issues caused by a 3rd party photo app on their phones |
| 06:21.35 | Kyusaku | the thread I linked to before is regarding your issue |
| 06:22.04 | Kyusaku | even a palm support rep posted in it stating it is a known issue and has been reported |
| 06:23.53 | tlz | oh boo |
| 06:24.18 | Kyusaku | you can use the patch I mentioned for now as a quick fix |
| 06:24.54 | Kyusaku | I'm still checking the board for recovery software to see if I can find you something for you to recover the photos you lost |
| 06:25.19 | Kyusaku | but around this time of night the server kind of goes down for a little bit |
| 06:25.35 | Kyusaku | so having a little trouble finding the right thread |
| 06:26.07 | tlz | no worries |
| 06:26.15 | tlz | i'll just have my sister send me some more lol |
| 06:26.29 | tlz | i appreciate you wanting to help though! |
| 06:27.34 | Kyusaku | tlz: you sure I found the thread |
| 06:28.10 | tlz | ill give it a shot if u found it |
| 06:29.38 | Kyusaku | hmmmm the trial version of the software doesn't recover the files |
| 06:29.41 | Kyusaku | =/ |
| 06:29.51 | tlz | eh thats ok, i appreciate the help friend |
| 06:30.08 | Kyusaku | ok no problem, be sure to try that filenaming patch for the camera |
| 06:30.24 | Kyusaku | I install it by default on my phone so I never noticed this issue |
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| 06:31.39 | mrloserpunk | so i am having a issue here with my pc and pre anyone care to take a look? |
| 06:32.30 | mrloserpunk | never ran into it. 2 pc's in the house wont see it as a drive and the pre does not prompt me to enter usb, media or just charge |
| 06:32.43 | tlz | it just goes straight to charge? |
| 06:32.51 | Kyusaku | did you try rebooting that PC |
| 06:32.58 | mrloserpunk | yeah never prompts to switch mode |
| 06:33.01 | mrloserpunk | yeah |
| 06:33.07 | mrloserpunk | I think its a driver issue |
| 06:33.18 | mrloserpunk | but both my vista and 7 machines are doing it |
| 06:33.22 | Kyusaku | it's usually an OS issue |
| 06:33.35 | Kyusaku | I've seen it happen on Win7 32bit edition |
| 06:33.54 | mrloserpunk | i think its related to usb passthrough |
| 06:33.57 | Kyusaku | never on my 64bit system though |
| 06:33.59 | mrloserpunk | although I have since removed it |
| 06:35.03 | mrloserpunk | i installed freetether and it worked great, but since installing it I am seeing about a 10-11% battery drop per hour and my device is not making it thru a day |
| 06:35.24 | mrloserpunk | same useage, only diff is the tether stuff a 3 patches, All have been removed |
| 06:35.46 | mrloserpunk | still not seeing it as a drive and battery is just as worse :) |
| 06:36.31 | mrloserpunk | cant even do the force usb |
| 06:37.11 | Kyusaku | never troubleshooted this issue, checking forums for any insight on a solution |
| 06:37.37 | mrloserpunk | i didnt see anything on precentral related |
| 06:37.59 | Kyusaku | I know I've seen threads on it before |
| 06:38.00 | mrloserpunk | i am putting usb passthrough back on to see if it saved settings or something |
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| 06:38.57 | Kyusaku | have you tried restarting Novacom in services? |
| 06:39.14 | mrloserpunk | yeah, I used wosqi to reinstall it as well |
| 06:39.46 | Kyusaku | well |
| 06:40.05 | Kyusaku | can you at least check to make sure novacom service is running |
| 06:40.19 | Kyusaku | in Win7 just type in services.msc in the search |
| 06:40.21 | Kyusaku | and hit enter |
| 06:40.26 | mrloserpunk | yeah i just restarted it |
| 06:40.35 | mrloserpunk | im using the vista machine |
| 06:42.56 | mrloserpunk | running usbpassthrough gives me a prompt to install a driver.... generic something er rather, never seen it before, but it cannot find a driver and asks me to provide a disk.... |
| 06:43.10 | mrloserpunk | ok |
| 06:43.11 | mrloserpunk | its back |
| 06:43.17 | Kyusaku | that should be normal |
| 06:43.20 | mrloserpunk | something I did with usb net |
| 06:43.36 | Kyusaku | the usbpassthrough stuff opens access to more internal hardware |
| 06:43.45 | mrloserpunk | i think i know what i did |
| 06:43.45 | Kyusaku | like the GPS chip |
| 06:43.56 | mrloserpunk | yeah, I left something open on it |
| 06:44.02 | mrloserpunk | closed it and it opens clean |
| 06:44.09 | mrloserpunk | although the setting is actually saved |
| 06:44.19 | mrloserpunk | it looks like its normal but its stuck in what ever mode i put it |
| 06:44.24 | mrloserpunk | good to know! |
| 06:45.43 | mrloserpunk | now on to the battery, it does not seem to go to the "idle" state others see, I run a constant 10% drain over 2 hours with nothing open besides a 5min poll with the battery monitor... |
| 06:46.46 | mrloserpunk | oh snap |
| 06:46.57 | Kyusaku | I dunno what to tell you with that |
| 06:47.01 | mrloserpunk | so the setting was saved, was i set to tether and forwarding ip all the time then? |
| 06:47.14 | mrloserpunk | that would kill a battery yeah? |
| 06:47.34 | Kyusaku | there's never been any kind of documentation to note that Freetether drains the battery when dormant |
| 06:47.53 | mrloserpunk | but what about usbpassthrough being set to tether? |
| 06:48.21 | Kyusaku | I dunno there's never really been much testing in regards to powersaving for that |
| 06:48.54 | mrloserpunk | ill blaze the trail. Ill run the monitor now for a hour or so and see if there is a differance |
| 06:49.05 | Kyusaku | battery usage stuff is pretty hit or miss |
| 06:49.39 | mrloserpunk | yeah, lotsa things play into it |
| 06:49.48 | mrloserpunk | using switcharoo and youview is a strike against me |
| 06:52.07 | mrloserpunk | i really think there is something here, I was excited to see a differance between 1.3.5.1 and 1.4, i was seeing a 20% gain with like usage, then i wanted to get tethering working and thats when my battery started dying in 6 hours |
| 06:53.55 | mrloserpunk | it could even be the way i shut usb down, leaving the setting open like that.....like the app was trying to run but couldnt or something,,,, |
| 06:54.44 | drewp | i think i'd like the bottom LEDs to flicker when the phone is going into proper sleep, so that i might notice the times when i turn the screen off and it *doesn't* sleep |
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| 07:01.52 | prepre | has anyone here swapped pre recently? or gotten a replacement or new pre in the last couple of months? i wonder which version it comes with. if it comes with the last one (1.4). does anyone know? |
| 07:09.52 | Kyusaku | depends how old the stock is |
| 07:10.22 | Kyusaku | if you get a refurb no clue |
| 07:10.32 | Kyusaku | better off asking on the forums |
| 07:11.41 | Kyusaku | a bunch of the people here don't have pre phones by official means so they can't really swap or replace by official means |
| 07:13.18 | Kyusaku | prepre: you could always doctor the phone as soon as you get if it is mailed to you |
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| 07:13.56 | Kyusaku | you don't need to log into the phone to doctor it |
| 07:14.31 | Kyusaku | if you do a store swap they will expect you to login while there |
| 07:16.57 | dBsooner | rwhitby: Please retweet when you get time. Thanks! |
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| 07:20.29 | oil | retweets |
| 07:21.04 | oil | 4 updated patches is big news? |
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| 07:24.51 | egaudet | ~dsevil |
| 07:24.55 | egaudet | ~seen dsevil |
| 07:24.58 | infobot | dsevil <dse@crow.webonastick.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #webos-internals, 18d 3h 50m 51s ago, saying: 'dbsooner: you around, again?'. |
| 07:27.59 | mrloserpunk | every replacement pre I have gotten has had 1.0 on it |
| 07:28.10 | mrloserpunk | havent gotten one since november though |
| 07:31.41 | prepre | kyusaku: thx! could u recommend any good forums? i just wasted two whole hours with the palm folks from india and it was a complete waste of my time. it was so frustrating communicating and understanding each other and they did not help at all. |
| 07:31.58 | Kyusaku | precentral |
| 07:32.05 | prepre | kyusaku: re: ur last comment, im a little lost... what will doctoring it accomplish? i only want to know what version it is in case it is not the same one of the old so i dont have any conflicts when transferring files over the replacement one. |
| 07:32.51 | Kyusaku | doctoring will bring it to a "compatible version" |
| 07:33.08 | Kyusaku | without having to log in and downloading the update |
| 07:33.37 | prepre | im just concerned that the updates r not done before i get a chance to transfer hte db file with my data and that is not compatible and i end up messing it up! |
| 07:34.14 | Kyusaku | right |
| 07:34.16 | prepre | really? i didnt know that! compatible meaning the most recent version out there? |
| 07:34.30 | Kyusaku | yea |
| 07:34.53 | Kyusaku | there is a webos doctor for 1.4.0 |
| 07:35.42 | mrloserpunk | prepare: use a fake profile at the store |
| 07:35.53 | Kyusaku | you don't even have to fully turn on the device to have it in a doctorable mode |
| 07:36.00 | mrloserpunk | once you get home update it either with the dr or ota (i suggest the dr) |
| 07:36.14 | mrloserpunk | then update to whatever version you need |
| 07:36.24 | mrloserpunk | all dr are available at webos somewhere |
| 07:36.36 | prepre | so that means that i should first update the "old" phone to 1.4, then back up the db file, then doctoring the new phone with the 1.4, then activate it and last transfer the db file, correct? |
| 07:36.52 | Kyusaku | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Webos_Doctor_Versions |
| 07:37.12 | prepre | i already have the phone i need to activate it |
| 07:37.14 | Kyusaku | prepre: yes |
| 07:37.29 | Kyusaku | if you already have it |
| 07:37.31 | Kyusaku | doctor it |
| 07:37.51 | Kyusaku | power it on while holding the up volume button |
| 07:38.08 | mrloserpunk | yeah but look at this first http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/233285-broken-pic-mms-gps.html |
| 07:38.09 | Kyusaku | and connect to USB port and run the doctor |
| 07:38.42 | prepre | ive never doctored a phone that hasnt been activated. is it the same way? |
| 07:39.03 | mrloserpunk | others are reporting mms and gps problems with .db xfers |
| 07:39.53 | Kyusaku | prepre: just do what I just said to bring the pre in to the special recovery mode |
| 07:39.59 | prepre | really? so how do i transfer that data? i cant read it on my pc, or can i? |
| 07:41.50 | prepre | just out of curiosity, what does holding the vol up while powering do? |
| 07:42.16 | Kyusaku | it bringa the pre in to the special recovery mode |
| 07:42.20 | Kyusaku | brings |
| 07:42.54 | prepre | mkay... cool lil tricks u guys have here... ;) |
| 07:43.26 | Kyusaku | it's palm |
| 07:43.37 | Kyusaku | all their devices have that |
| 07:44.13 | prepre | is there a way that i can read the palmdatavase.db3 file on my pc avoiding having to transfer it to the replacement phone and avoiding potential issues? |
| 07:45.13 | Kyusaku | like opening the database |
| 07:45.24 | Kyusaku | and manually entering the info? |
| 07:46.10 | Kyusaku | the only reason people do this database swap is to save their SMS conversations and call logs |
| 07:46.27 | Kyusaku | everything else is saved on the palm profile |
| 07:46.34 | Kyusaku | just in case |
| 07:47.22 | prepre | should i update the old one to 1.4 or just doctor the new one with 1.3.5.1 and then do the db transfer & last the 1.4 update after im done with the transfer and i have all the data including the profile's info etc? what would be best or have less conflicts? |
| 07:48.22 | Kyusaku | you could doctor the new phone to 1.3.5.1 |
| 07:48.42 | Kyusaku | do you even know how to swap the database files? |
| 07:48.55 | Kyusaku | because you can't access it by normal means |
| 07:49.19 | prepre | exactly thats the reason hwy im doing it cuz of the sms and call logs. the first time around it really hurt me losing all that info and i dont want to do it again. i use sms a lot for work and i keep important info there that i dont have anywhere else so i kinda dont have other alternative. |
| 07:50.27 | prepre | i already retrieved the file with the QI and its on my pc ready to be put back on the new device |
| 07:51.02 | Kyusaku | ok have fun with that |
| 07:51.08 | Kyusaku | going on 3AM here |
| 07:51.15 | Kyusaku | sleep time |
| 07:51.38 | prepre | yeah here 2! OMG i didnt even realize! have to go to bed! |
| 07:51.50 | prepre | thx so much for ur help! |
| 07:55.59 | prepre | is there a way or app that works to open|view| read the palmdatavase.db3 file on a pc avoiding having to transfer the file to the replacement phone and avoiding potential issues when this is done? ive heard all kinds of things about this action, good and bad feedback. id prefer to avoid anything bad. i just wanna have a phone that works and i can use for what i need it for without more problems. where could i find this |
| 07:58.45 | jhojho | http://sqlitebrowser.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 09:13.42 | christefano | does anyone know how to run a fsck in webOS? I'm getting "write error: Bad file descriptor" errors. |
| 09:17.41 | rwhitby | oil: basic homebrew install and remove working in C ipkgservice |
| 09:17.49 | oil | nice |
| 09:18.09 | rwhitby | using com.palm.appinstaller |
| 09:18.53 | rwhitby | for some reason, running AppInstallerUtility directly works on the command line, but doesn't work when called from the service (gets a segfault while it's running ipkg) |
| 09:19.02 | rwhitby | but calling the appinstaller service works |
| 09:21.39 | christefano | it's hard searching for fsck since PreCentral and other forums consider it to be a bad word |
| 09:23.49 | joshua | don't know if the filesystems the pre uses can even be fscked |
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| 09:32.48 | bhuey | wonders when the next revision fixing all of the bugs that were introduced in 1.4 |
| 09:32.56 | bhuey | ...will come out... |
| 09:32.57 | bhuey | bah |
| 09:32.59 | FuMan | heh |
| 09:33.02 | FuMan | i went back to 1.3.5.1 today |
| 09:33.09 | FuMan | i couldnt take the luna crashes D; |
| 09:33.22 | joshua | they drove you looney |
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| 12:40.40 | timofalltrades | hello all. my / is at 99%, and I'm trying to figure out what's up... |
| 12:41.24 | timofalltrades | ipkg list_installed shows 538 packages. ipkg-opt shows only 25 |
| 12:41.40 | timofalltrades | a) does that make sense? |
| 12:41.55 | timofalltrades | b) is there a way to uninstall from ipkg and reinstall from ipkg-opt? |
| 12:42.32 | timofalltrades | opt isn't as big, but its also only at 77%... |
| 12:51.15 | en0x | do u have the same email issue that every some time the email app shows you email accounts and ask you if u want to add an accout or not? |
| 12:51.34 | timofalltrades | en0x - addressed to me? |
| 12:51.43 | timofalltrades | (if so... no) |
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| 12:52.01 | en0x | timofalltrades, ni |
| 12:52.03 | en0x | timofalltrades, no |
| 12:53.02 | ekson | could somebody help me |
| 12:53.21 | timofalltrades | who are you who travel about saying ni to old ladies? |
| 12:53.22 | timofalltrades | ;) |
| 12:53.34 | timofalltrades | ok - I'll ask again later... |
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| 17:22.20 | azakus | FuMan: hopefully you won't have to wait too long for 1.4.1 (it HAS to be coming) |
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| 18:22.55 | DrFunk | sup all |
| 18:23.04 | AnOutsider | sup sup |
| 18:23.17 | DrFunk | same old |
| 18:23.29 | DrFunk | just checking in |
| 18:44.02 | en0x | ble |
| 18:44.52 | MetaView | blub |
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| 18:51.50 | Mousey | mornin! |
| 18:52.02 | Mousey | golly my phone shore does reboot luna spontaneously a lot |
| 18:52.16 | Mousey | s/a l/an awful/ |
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| 18:54.37 | cal__ | would this run on the pre no porting? (runs on nokia n810 OMAP 2420) https://garage.maemo.org/projects/mtv/ |
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| 19:09.03 | trim81 | hi guys I need help |
| 19:09.09 | trim81 | Rod or anyone here? |
| 19:09.28 | trim81 | I am used to the OLD ssh method of install, and need help in setting up the new method |
| 19:09.33 | trim81 | of ssh |
| 19:09.54 | trim81 | is there any wget command I can run? the old one stopped working.. |
| 19:10.52 | destinal | cal__: maemo has its own UI, stuff generally will need porting |
| 19:12.23 | cal__ | destinal: well, that particular one doesn't use meamo's UI though. |
| 19:13.11 | trim81 | hi destinal: can u help me get ssh back on my treo |
| 19:13.13 | Kyusaku | what is that, some kind of remote? |
| 19:13.14 | trim81 | pre i mean |
| 19:13.45 | cal__ | destinal: http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3220/2362218062_ee71036681_o.jpg |
| 19:13.53 | destinal | trim81: I'm heading out for a while, but if you explain your problem maybe someone here can help |
| 19:14.33 | trim81 | i doctored my phone, and per Rod, the old wget command no longer works..,.so I am starting fresh on how to instal ssh on the pre |
| 19:15.44 | destinal | trim81: I think you can still install optware with the manual bootstrap method that worked before. I know the new officially supported way is to install preware and then install optware and dropbear from within preware |
| 19:16.04 | destinal | (well dropbear OR ssh from within preware) |
| 19:16.08 | trim81 | thanks, but last I tried I got an error at the last step |
| 19:16.31 | trim81 | I know how to install openssh from preware, just have toruble setting up a login and pass |
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| 19:36.25 | destinal | trim81: you can set up an ssh key (which is the recommended thing) or you can novaterm in and edit the dropbear script to turn off the password disable flag and restart dropbear, then a root password would work (you can assign it with passwd) |
| 19:37.36 | trim81 | i have putty installed...what is puttygen |
| 19:37.40 | trim81 | and how do i get puttygen? |
| 19:38.01 | destinal | trim81: it's another tool available on the putty site |
| 19:38.09 | destinal | it generates ssh keys |
| 19:38.14 | trim81 | ah got it |
| 19:38.18 | trim81 | its under start menu |
| 19:38.21 | trim81 | 1 sec |
| 19:40.17 | trim81 | Command 'groups' |
| 19:40.18 | trim81 | failed with return code 127 and error message |
| 19:40.20 | trim81 | -sh: groups: not found. |
| 19:40.23 | trim81 | what is that? |
| 19:41.47 | trim81 | well i got in winscp, cool |
| 19:41.53 | trim81 | i am not sure with that error |
| 19:41.54 | trim81 | o well |
| 19:41.57 | trim81 | thanks destinal |
| 19:42.42 | destinal | trim81: probably there's no groups command in webos (in the version you have) |
| 19:42.56 | trim81 | o ok, nothing to worry about then? |
| 19:42.58 | destinal | shouldn't be a big deal |
| 19:43.32 | destinal | yeah I wouldn't expect it to cause a problem |
| 19:44.58 | trim81 | hmm |
| 19:45.04 | trim81 | well this method does not work with EVDO? |
| 19:45.13 | trim81 | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:OpenSSH |
| 19:45.23 | trim81 | i am trying to connect with EVDO, how do i make this work? |
| 19:45.28 | trim81 | WIFI works |
| 19:53.39 | destinal | trim81: probably the upstart script for openssh ( /etc/event.d/mobi.optware.dropbear ) needs its firewall rules changed to allow access over EVDO |
| 19:54.02 | destinal | check out the section of iptables lines in the script |
| 19:54.11 | trim81 | do you happen to know what I shold type into putty to enable evdo? |
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| 19:54.17 | trim81 | not a big linux guy... |
| 19:54.26 | trim81 | if you dont have time. I can wait until later |
| 19:54.28 | trim81 | no rush |
| 19:55.56 | en0x | trim81, there should be some info on wiki |
| 19:56.01 | en0x | if u want to search for |
| 19:56.07 | trim81 | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Tutorials_Linux_DDNS_Update_Client_ez-ipupdate |
| 19:56.12 | trim81 | will that do what I am looking for? |
| 19:58.37 | trim81 | ugh, im trying to run this in putty: /opt/bin/ipkg-opt install ez-ipupdate |
| 19:58.42 | trim81 | and i get "package not found:" |
| 19:59.28 | destinal | trim81: that won't help with what you asked me about |
| 19:59.44 | destinal | it's for dynamic dns |
| 20:00.02 | trim81 | yeah. i figured I can use the pre as a dyndns account and get into it whenever an ip change |
| 20:00.18 | destinal | oh, well, yeah, that works, but you still need to enable access over EVDO :0 |
| 20:00.20 | destinal | :) |
| 20:00.29 | trim81 | so I am trying to set this up..however I cannot install the package for eziupdate? |
| 20:00.35 | trim81 | do I need to install dropbear |
| 20:00.37 | trim81 | or whatever |
| 20:00.40 | trim81 | before hand |
| 20:00.43 | trim81 | to get the package? |
| 20:00.48 | destinal | try ipkg-opt update |
| 20:01.03 | destinal | then try the install |
| 20:02.03 | trim81 | coolios |
| 20:02.05 | trim81 | worked |
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| 20:05.54 | halfhalo_T400 | hmmmm |
| 20:06.02 | halfhalo_T400 | I have... 3.50 in quarters with me today |
| 20:08.11 | trim81 | im stuck at this step |
| 20:08.13 | trim81 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:08.20 | trim81 | putty says no such file or directory |
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| 20:11.59 | epv | having an ipupdate script in /etc/ppp/ip-up.d seems to make the phone hang on reboot for reasons i haven't figured out |
| 20:15.39 | trim81 | hmm |
| 20:15.43 | trim81 | i dont want that |
| 20:15.49 | trim81 | anyway for me to remove this script |
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| 20:21.38 | nt4cats | cute! |
| 20:22.48 | nt4cats | wonders if writing pyqt applications for the pre just became easier ... |
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| 20:28.18 | cryptk|work | hows it goin everyone? |
| 20:28.31 | cryptk|work | my stent of unemployment has finally ended |
| 20:28.50 | cryptk|work | and hopefully soon I will be able to work on the upstart manager GUI again! |
| 20:28.54 | halfhalo_T400 | I... I have a joke for that. Its just not really appropriate |
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| 20:29.39 | Cerealklr | Heya guys! |
| 20:29.46 | halfhalo_T400 | but anyways, was goin on mah |
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| 20:30.10 | cryptk|work | halfhalo_T400: I wanna hear the joke now, lol |
| 20:30.23 | Cerealklr | Quick question about the Terminal App. I poured over the wiki page but couldn't even find a whisper about it. |
| 20:30.29 | Cerealklr | Does it run on 1.4? |
| 20:30.31 | halfhalo_T400 | prostitution doesn't count |
| 20:30.58 | FuMan | Cerealklr, |
| 20:31.03 | FuMan | pretty sure terminal is borked in 1.4 |
| 20:31.14 | FuMan | but i think i heard someone mention terminus still works |
| 20:31.20 | Cerealklr | Darn. Wiki definitely needs updated then. |
| 20:31.29 | Cerealklr | Oh? Is terminus OTA installable sans a terminal app? xD |
| 20:31.43 | Cerealklr | (e.g. in preware/ a preware compatible feed?) |
| 20:31.50 | Cerealklr | \ |
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| 20:32.17 | oil | it should be in preware |
| 20:32.36 | gkatsev | is duke3d in preware yet? |
| 20:32.55 | en0x | in testing feed |
| 20:32.59 | Cerealklr | Yay! Thank you. |
| 20:32.59 | lyarick | anyone know how to disable the contacts auto-link feature? |
| 20:33.00 | gkatsev | hm... |
| 20:33.12 | en0x | lyarick, no way to disable it |
| 20:33.15 | lyarick | it is a horrible misfeature for me for some reason.. |
| 20:33.17 | Cerealklr | awh hell, can someone dump me the testing feed again so i can re-add it? I doctored to 1.4 |
| 20:33.19 | gkatsev | en0x: weird. cant seem to find it. pretty sure i have the testing feed as i can see freetether. |
| 20:33.23 | lyarick | I have 1 contact with over half my address book linked to it. |
| 20:33.31 | lyarick | and i'm not unlinking 800 names |
| 20:33.47 | cryptk|work | Cerealklr: |
| 20:33.50 | cryptk|work | ~testing-feed |
| 20:33.51 | infobot | somebody said testing-feed was a means of testing new WebOS Internals products, documented at http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Testing_Feeds |
| 20:34.01 | Cerealklr | thanks! |
| 20:34.07 | en0x | gkatsev, http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/testing/armv7/org.webosinternals.duke3d_1.0.5_armv7.ipk |
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| 20:34.12 | en0x | gkatsev, yap its there :) |
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| 20:34.42 | gkatsev | then either i dont have it or w/e or the search function is broken, lol |
| 20:34.54 | en0x | lol do list everything |
| 20:35.21 | gkatsev | en0x: yeah, thats what im doing |
| 20:35.37 | Cerealklr | Hahaha, hell, lets see if I can McGuyver this into working with only OTA programs. |
| 20:35.42 | cryptk|work | gkatsev: do you see freetether as available or as installed? |
| 20:35.52 | gkatsev | cryptk|work: both |
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| 20:36.08 | cryptk|work | Cerealklr: you would need some kind of terminal access to add the testing feed |
| 20:36.18 | cryptk|work | Novacom/Novaterm works great for it |
| 20:36.19 | Cerealklr | I was hoping I could use Internalz |
| 20:36.24 | Cerealklr | to access the file |
| 20:36.24 | cryptk|work | but you need some kind of terminal access |
| 20:36.30 | FuMan | no |
| 20:36.30 | Cerealklr | and find some way to edit it on-phone |
| 20:36.32 | FuMan | you can do it |
| 20:36.40 | FuMan | i dont know how for damn |
| 20:36.43 | FuMan | but everyone was making fun of me |
| 20:36.44 | Cerealklr | =P I'm quite aware of how to use novaterm, but don't have my USB cord. =[ |
| 20:36.44 | cryptk|work | hrm... not sure if the current internalz can edit text filed |
| 20:36.46 | en0x | use echo ;D |
| 20:36.46 | FuMan | saying that I could, awhile back |
| 20:36.49 | cryptk|work | s/filed/files/ |
| 20:36.52 | FuMan | see, shit like that ^ |
| 20:36.58 | en0x | use terminus+echo |
| 20:36.59 | en0x | ;] |
| 20:37.08 | Cerealklr | I don't think it can, unfrotunately. |
| 20:37.08 | trim81 | I AM MESSING WITH LIGHTPD RIGHT NOW |
| 20:37.11 | trim81 | oops sorry |
| 20:37.11 | Cerealklr | and the wholw purpose here |
| 20:37.12 | trim81 | caps stuck |
| 20:37.14 | Cerealklr | is to get terminus |
| 20:37.15 | Cerealklr | xD |
| 20:37.17 | Cerealklr | hahahaa |
| 20:37.18 | trim81 | anyhow i am messing with lightpd |
| 20:37.23 | trim81 | and i am changing the www folder |
| 20:37.26 | trim81 | to media/internal |
| 20:37.31 | trim81 | but it will not stick |
| 20:37.38 | gkatsev | cryptk|work: let me check the conf file, maybe it was overwritten or something |
| 20:37.39 | trim81 | it keeps pointing to www folder |
| 20:37.41 | Cerealklr | ruh roh, Internals dead on 1.4? |
| 20:38.09 | halfhalo_T400 | Wawawaaaaaaaa |
| 20:38.42 | gkatsev | cryptk|work: yeah, looks like it was overwritten... |
| 20:39.05 | halfhalo_T400 | http://twitpic.com/179gib |
| 20:39.07 | cryptk|work | yep, you are prolly just seeing free-tether because you already have it installed |
| 20:39.13 | cryptk|work | does free-tether work on 1.4? |
| 20:39.56 | gkatsev | cryptk|work: yeah, seem like it does. havent really tested it much though. |
| 20:41.07 | Cerealklr | woo, okay, internalz working. |
| 20:41.10 | Cerealklr | thats the first step |
| 20:41.11 | Cerealklr | xD |
| 20:43.45 | Cerealklr | ... |
| 20:43.49 | Cerealklr | I hate whoever made Internalz |
| 20:44.05 | Cerealklr | they locked us into media/internal and var in terms of writing privileges. =/ |
| 20:44.06 | en0x | blame on jaycancun |
| 20:44.07 | en0x | :) |
| 20:44.16 | oil | jaycancun? |
| 20:44.21 | oil | jaycanuck* |
| 20:44.48 | oil | its because thats the only writable partition without remounting |
| 20:45.25 | Cerealklr | ohh =/ |
| 20:45.39 | Cerealklr | I'm good with remounting. xD |
| 20:46.01 | Cerealklr | Why is it all of the things i need to do to get Terminal require Terminal? |
| 20:46.20 | AnOutsider | heh |
| 20:46.48 | gkatsev | ok, reedited the file |
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| 20:48.21 | gkatsev | there we go |
| 20:48.36 | Cerealklr | hmm |
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| 20:49.45 | Cerealklr | next version of Preware requires a method to add feeds in the Manage Feeds Scene |
| 20:49.45 | Cerealklr | xD |
| 20:50.01 | oil | preware has this feature already |
| 20:50.08 | Cerealklr | Access in? |
| 20:50.26 | oil | i think its only in the testing feed |
| 20:50.41 | Cerealklr | .... |
| 20:50.42 | Cerealklr | hahahah |
| 20:50.56 | Cerealklr | I love how paradoxical this situation is. xD |
| 20:51.02 | oil | you can download the feeds manually and install them with quick install |
| 20:51.04 | gkatsev | :( getting error while installing duke3d |
| 20:51.16 | oil | or install openssh with preware and ssh into your pre |
| 20:51.18 | Cerealklr | I understand that, but I don't have my cable right now |
| 20:51.20 | Cerealklr | and won't for a while. |
| 20:51.23 | Cerealklr | OOH |
| 20:51.26 | Cerealklr | There we go! |
| 20:51.26 | Cerealklr | xD |
| 20:51.31 | Cerealklr | thank you. =] |
| 20:52.01 | gkatsev | oil: does openssh in preware not allow sshing over evdo? |
| 20:52.09 | oil | lol |
| 20:52.11 | oil | i have no clue |
| 20:52.14 | oil | i've never installed it |
| 20:52.14 | Cerealklr | I think that needs enabled seperately. |
| 20:52.19 | Cerealklr | But i think it's possible. |
| 20:52.25 | Cerealklr | I'll check in a second, i have the Feed open |
| 20:52.41 | gkatsev | oil: lol, well, the optwarebootstrap asked if i wanted to. i guess ill ask again later... |
| 20:55.21 | epv | gkatsev: yeah, by default it only opens a port in iptables for interface eth0 |
| 20:56.30 | Cerealklr | hmm |
| 20:56.37 | Cerealklr | what is the User on the Pre again? |
| 20:56.50 | gkatsev | epv: ah, so, ican edit the upstart script to open the port for ppp0 as well? |
| 20:56.58 | Cerealklr | (by default) |
| 20:57.02 | gkatsev | and then probably change the port from 22 to like 222 or w/e |
| 21:00.06 | iSmite | Hi. any way without a patch to change the default system sound? |
| 21:02.15 | gkatsev | pooh, duke3d doesnt want to install. |
| 21:03.24 | gkatsev | it says errorgenericmethodexception: failure during post install script execution |
| 21:03.27 | epv | gkatsev: yeah, in fact just remove "-i eth0" from the line and it will allow port 222 or whatever globally |
| 21:03.39 | gkatsev | epv: ah, cool. |
| 21:04.04 | epv | also, you don't really need the ipupdate package at all, you can update a dyndns service just using curl or wget |
| 21:04.16 | epv | and it doesn't hang the reboot process, for some reason |
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| 21:05.34 | gkatsev | epv: whats the name of the upstart script again? |
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| 21:06.33 | epv | it's /etc/event.d/mobi.optware.openssh on mine |
| 21:06.43 | jacques | http://www.griffin.net/2010/02/qt-on-the-palm-pre.html |
| 21:06.48 | jacques | want. |
| 21:06.54 | epv | i have: /usr/sbin/iptables -I INPUT -p tcp --dport 222 -j ACCEPT |
| 21:07.12 | jacques | "I'll be trying to get it on Preware in the next few days. For now, you can install the packages from this preware-compatible feed." |
| 21:08.06 | gkatsev | epv: yep, thats what i made it. thanks |
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| 21:10.03 | epv | ooh nice, qt. maybe there can be a Qt terminal program |
| 21:10.22 | gkatsev | vlc? |
| 21:10.42 | gkatsev | ugh, my pre doesnt like to reboot today via opt-sym-r |
| 21:18.57 | Mousey | halp! |
| 21:19.15 | Mousey | why can i run novaterm and get a root prompt, but when i run WOQI it can't see the phone?? |
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| 21:24.42 | gkatsev | Mousey: dev mode? |
| 21:25.04 | epv | he wouldn't be able to use novaterm then either, though |
| 21:25.18 | gkatsev | right |
| 21:25.22 | Mousey | ah ha |
| 21:25.25 | Mousey | no |
| 21:25.27 | gkatsev | Mousey: which wqi? |
| 21:26.00 | Mousey | nope, devmode on |
| 21:26.08 | Mousey | woqi v3.0.1 |
| 21:26.17 | Mousey | and just upgraded novacomd |
| 21:26.20 | Mousey | no dice |
| 21:26.35 | rwhitby | morning |
| 21:27.18 | Mousey | yah, can't get in |
| 21:27.20 | Mousey | mornin rwhitby |
| 21:27.28 | rwhitby | jacques: I can't believe why that guy hasn't contacted us. |
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| 21:27.48 | Abyssul | dbsooner: You there |
| 21:28.23 | Mousey | so, dev mode on, woqi 3.0.1, novacom 1.0.46, novaterm works, woqi doesn't!? |
| 21:28.33 | Mousey | multiple machines |
| 21:28.48 | Mousey | a pixi is coming down from upstairs, hopefully that works, (yay new preware user!) |
| 21:29.08 | Mousey | i feel like i've had this problem before |
| 21:29.34 | epv | wosqi worked for me in linux with novacomd running |
| 21:29.47 | Mousey | its worked for me |
| 21:29.49 | epv | never let it try installing novacomd itself though |
| 21:29.49 | Mousey | for evar |
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| 21:30.46 | dBsooner | rwhitby: ping |
| 21:30.50 | dBsooner | Abyssul: yes? |
| 21:30.50 | rwhitby | yes |
| 21:31.33 | Cerealklr | Any ETA yet on a fix for Terminal? |
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| 21:33.19 | dBsooner | Cerealklr: when it gets done? I have no clue tbh. destinal knows about it and has been working on it as fast as volunteer time allows. |
| 21:34.08 | the_snowdog | are precentral forums down for anyone else? |
| 21:34.09 | Cerealklr | Okay. I was just curious how it was coming along. ^.^;; |
| 21:34.19 | Cerealklr | Working for me |
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| 21:34.26 | Abyssul | dbsooner: Can I suggest that we expand the vibrate patches? Need a way to manually set the option in the GUI like the Call Duration patch |
| 21:34.55 | dBsooner | the_snowdog: I get Gateway time out.. probably having some connection issues. |
| 21:35.14 | dBsooner | Abyssul: Aye. Go right ahead. ;) |
| 21:35.25 | Mousey | ok, so the problem is WOQI related |
| 21:35.31 | Mousey | it doesn't work across two phones |
| 21:35.44 | Abyssul | dbsooner: haha I dont know how. I figured you might know |
| 21:35.58 | dBsooner | Abyssul: look at my patch |
| 21:36.27 | Mousey | upgrades java |
| 21:36.38 | dBsooner | Abyssul: it involves setting up the html, and the js to recall and store the setting |
| 21:36.47 | dBsooner | you would just use a different mojo element |
| 21:36.56 | dBsooner | don't use an on/off toggle.. use a drop down selection. |
| 21:37.15 | dBsooner | and just store the setting on change |
| 21:38.49 | Mousey | tries a new java |
| 21:41.43 | Mousey | ok, any clues fellas? |
| 21:41.44 | Mousey | Unable to connect to Novacom. Check driver is running. |
| 21:41.44 | Mousey | Error: java.net.SocketException: Network is unreachable |
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| 21:43.01 | Mousey | augh |
| 21:43.29 | jacques | rwhitby: ah, I was kinda hoping he had contacted us and I had missed it :-\ |
| 21:43.40 | Mousey | nothin' huh |
| 21:45.12 | Cerealklr | 0.o Preware Question |
| 21:45.21 | Cerealklr | I just tried to readd the testing feed |
| 21:45.26 | Cerealklr | after having doctored my pre |
| 21:45.31 | Cerealklr | ...and it didn't work? |
| 21:45.56 | Cerealklr | Is there some reason I can't use the crappy linux commandline access built into WebOS QI to add the feed? |
| 21:46.03 | jacques | Mousey: these problems are on linux or windows? |
| 21:46.17 | Mousey | linux |
| 21:46.31 | Mousey | it's saying network is unreachable?? |
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| 21:46.39 | Mousey | but i'm usbing, woqi, like everyday stuff |
| 21:46.42 | Mousey | novaterm works |
| 21:46.42 | jacques | looks like two errors there |
| 21:47.03 | Mousey | # ps axf | grep novac |
| 21:47.03 | Mousey | 14064 pts/5 S+ 0:00 | \_ grep novac |
| 21:47.03 | Mousey | 14005 pts/10 Sl 0:00 | \_ /usr/local/bin/novacomd |
| 21:47.03 | Mousey | 14043 pts/10 S+ 0:00 | \_ novacom -t open tty://0 |
| 21:47.45 | jacques | can you have multiple novacom processes? |
| 21:47.53 | Mousey | one's novacomd one's novaterm |
| 21:48.00 | Mousey | oh, i see |
| 21:48.10 | jacques | maybe you can, I just dunno |
| 21:48.37 | Mousey | anyway, neither preware.jar or woqi.jar work |
| 21:48.43 | Mousey | i have the latest java |
| 21:49.13 | jacques | it's strange that it cannot connect to novacomd nor the network - I wonder if root cause it same |
| 21:49.30 | jacques | s/it s/ is s/ |
| 21:49.32 | Mousey | everything's pointing to java maybe? happens across phones |
| 21:49.48 | Mousey | novaTERM works fine |
| 21:49.51 | jacques | yeah I agree - pointing to jave right now |
| 21:49.57 | jacques | damn I cannot type today |
| 21:50.00 | Mousey | hmm, downgrade to 1.5? |
| 21:50.58 | Mousey | tries that |
| 21:51.04 | jacques | Mousey: which java engine? |
| 21:51.17 | Mousey | sun-java1.6 |
| 21:51.21 | Mousey | debian packages |
| 21:51.23 | jacques | I had problems with the "free" ones - had to install Sun - Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.6.0_17-b04) |
| 21:51.29 | jacques | hmm |
| 21:51.31 | Mousey | no no, i'm using sun's |
| 21:51.49 | jacques | running out of ideas |
| 21:52.00 | Mousey | two different machines, same problem |
| 21:52.05 | Mousey | was working before 1.4 |
| 21:52.16 | Mousey | blames hax |
| 21:52.16 | jacques | that's interesting |
| 21:52.31 | Mousey | but two entirely unrelated phones? and entirely unrelated systems? |
| 21:52.42 | Mousey | i must have it installed incorrectly in identical ways |
| 21:52.55 | Mousey | but it's java -jar filename.jar! how do i mess that up? |
| 21:53.25 | jacques | don't put the "!" |
| 21:53.28 | jacques | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:53.28 | Mousey | ooh, looky, theres a woqi 3.0.2 |
| 21:53.36 | Mousey | tries |
| 21:54.30 | Mousey | was using 3.0.1 |
| 21:54.33 | Mousey | maybe there's a diff? |
| 21:55.14 | jacques | beats me :-\ |
| 21:56.28 | jacques | jumps back into openembedded. The water's cold. |
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| 21:57.40 | Mousey | ok, here's the deal |
| 21:57.41 | Mousey | Searching for devices... |
| 21:57.41 | Mousey | Trying to connect to devices on USB... |
| 21:57.41 | Mousey | Unable to connect to Novacom. Check driver is running. |
| 21:57.41 | Mousey | Error: java.net.NoRouteToHostException: Network is unreachable |
| 21:58.24 | Mousey | but novacomd is running |
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| 21:59.37 | jacques | that's basically what it said before |
| 21:59.59 | jacques | did you kill the novacom process you had running? |
| 22:00.05 | jacques | (not novacomd) |
| 22:00.09 | Mousey | yes |
| 22:00.17 | rwhitby | bbl |
| 22:01.07 | Mousey | runs out of time |
| 22:01.16 | Mousey | is there another way to get preware on a phone? |
| 22:02.00 | jacques | ewwww, OE is using qemu 10.3 |
| 22:02.12 | jacques | Mousey: bootstrap script |
| 22:02.18 | Mousey | url? |
| 22:02.28 | jacques | ~bootstrap |
| 22:02.29 | infobot | i guess bootstrap is only enough to get yu on the network and install more packages - no X even |
| 22:02.35 | jacques | :-\ |
| 22:03.15 | jacques | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Preware#Preware_Bootstrap |
| 22:03.20 | Mousey | thanks |
| 22:03.28 | jacques | np |
| 22:03.33 | Mousey | ok, this is easy, thanks |
| 22:03.37 | jacques | it has always worked for me |
| 22:03.43 | jacques | well, except that one time |
| 22:03.46 | jacques | with the pixi |
| 22:03.52 | Mousey | uh |
| 22:03.54 | Mousey | this is a pixi |
| 22:03.54 | jacques | :-D |
| 22:04.04 | jacques | but it's all better now |
| 22:04.08 | Mousey | k |
| 22:04.22 | jacques | was fixed within minutes |
| 22:04.31 | Mousey | installs gleefully |
| 22:04.56 | Mousey | ls |
| 22:05.08 | jacques | . .. |
| 22:05.21 | Mousey | hehe |
| 22:05.25 | Mousey | IT WORKS!! |
| 22:05.30 | Mousey | ANOTHER GIRL USING PREWARE!! |
| 22:05.35 | Mousey | pats #webos-internals on back |
| 22:05.52 | Mousey | THANKS!!! |
| 22:05.58 | jacques | np |
| 22:06.02 | Mousey | will wrassle with java later |
| 22:06.11 | jacques | yeah I still dunno what that's about |
| 22:09.57 | egaudet_work | jacques: http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/232062-app-packaging-postinst-prerm.html |
| 22:10.09 | egaudet_work | possibly the same ? |
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| 22:11.40 | jacques | egaudet_work: very likely |
| 22:12.53 | jacques | egaudet_work: hmm "I've got developer access now on PreCentral, but the instruction video explaining how to set that up won't play on my Linux box. So, I'll get around to figuring that out in a bit." |
| 22:13.06 | jacques | maybe he is thinking precentral == preware ? |
| 22:13.35 | jacques | also, this points to it being same person "I can't think of any technical reason the latest package couldn't be available officially at the Palm App Store. It no longer requires any install or removal scripts." |
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| 22:15.47 | egaudet_work | yeah, should get him to come here |
| 22:16.41 | jacques | yeah |
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| 22:17.52 | jacques | hmm, I told OE/BB to use three threads, yet there are six gcc processes running :-\ |
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| 22:25.12 | Cerealklr | Any idea what the QT port is going to bring to the Pre? |
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| 22:38.50 | darronb | err... silentlaughter? |
| 22:39.29 | Mousey | Cerealklr: maybe it'll bring maemo? |
| 22:39.31 | Mousey | ^_^ |
| 22:40.39 | egaudet_work | tis I who laughs in silence |
| 22:41.07 | jacques | it will bring more options |
| 22:41.09 | egaudet_work | darronb: I take it you are the QT guy |
| 22:41.13 | egaudet_work | jacques: ^^ |
| 22:41.20 | darronb | hi. following the invite from my Qt on the Palm Pre blog thing. ... yup |
| 22:41.40 | Cerealklr | Hahaha, It's certainly going to make Nokia hella interested in Palm |
| 22:41.58 | egaudet_work | welcome :) |
| 22:42.15 | Cerealklr | unfortunately, due to moronic people and even dealer-shadiness, Palm's going to be dead on its stomach before Nokia steps in to help out |
| 22:42.45 | darronb | thanks. :) |
| 22:42.47 | Cerealklr | *playing with the demo QT apps now* |
| 22:42.57 | jacques | howdy darronb nice job on the qt port |
| 22:43.11 | Cerealklr | Very cool |
| 22:43.51 | Cerealklr | A few refresh issues involved during touch-events, but oddly enough that seems to be effecting everything SDL |
| 22:43.54 | darronb | cerealklr: thanks... i enjoyed it. i didn't expect to like the phone so much. :) |
| 22:43.55 | Cerealklr | for god knows what reason |
| 22:44.14 | jacques | darronb: if you need anything from webos-internals, git repo, etc. just let us know |
| 22:44.30 | Cerealklr | Its truly a wonderful OS.It's just getting the crud beaten out of it by the bigger, lower quality fish. |
| 22:44.38 | Cerealklr | Palm needs more cash. =/ |
| 22:44.38 | darronb | i just noticed a little issue with the keyboard... apps -ALWAYS- process keyboard events, even if the Qt app is carded and you've got some other app active |
| 22:44.57 | jacques | hmm, strange |
| 22:45.20 | darronb | I'm currently getting the source put up on qt.gitorious.org |
| 22:45.51 | jacques | ok |
| 22:45.59 | darronb | well, not really... I probably need to use SDL for keyboard events. my keyboard handler latched on to the /dev/input/keypad0 input API handle directly... so it makes sense |
| 22:46.17 | jacques | oh, yeah. because I hadn't noticed that behavior |
| 22:46.29 | egaudet_work | I think there's a pause method or something that I think SDL apps probably are expected to use, but it's undocumented and I dont know if any homebrew has used it yet |
| 22:46.43 | darronb | I just did what I did on the Kindle... not quite thinking that part through |
| 22:46.50 | egaudet_work | ahh ok nevermind my last comment |
| 22:47.20 | jacques | darronb: you are using SDL for mouse input? |
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| 22:47.40 | darronb | I'd like to fix it, but I currently don't have a Pre any more. I'm waiting for a GSM version... I can play with a co-worker's Pre on Wednesdays and Fridays... |
| 22:48.16 | darronb | jacques: yes... pretty much had to. |
| 22:49.00 | darronb | I saw some multitouch-hinting functions in SDL object file dumps... anyone got SDL with multitouch working? |
| 22:49.17 | Cerealklr | It's definitely working |
| 22:49.23 | Cerealklr | *looks fondly at Doom* |
| 22:49.24 | Cerealklr | xD |
| 22:49.33 | Cerealklr | How on the other hand, I fear I cannot say. |
| 22:49.33 | Cerealklr | xD |
| 22:49.36 | darronb | doom is multitouch? |
| 22:49.42 | Cerealklr | Mhmm |
| 22:49.45 | Cerealklr | On screen Controls |
| 22:49.52 | jacques | darronb: I have built/run the sample app that comes with the palm sdl patch - it tracks 5 points at once |
| 22:50.10 | jacques | apparently they look like multiple mice |
| 22:53.20 | darronb | jacques: do you get the same SDL mouse-down, mouse-move, mouse-up messages? or are you handling a different set of guesture messages or something? |
| 22:55.02 | darronb | hmm... I probably should just wait until I have a phone again. :) |
| 22:55.22 | Cerealklr | darronb: ...but it's soooo tempting. |
| 22:55.25 | Cerealklr | \you know it. xD |
| 22:56.00 | jacques | darronb: I think everything is the same - just multiple mice - only tricky part is when the touch ends, the same finger may be a different mouse id next time |
| 22:56.34 | darronb | hmm... I'll have to figure out how to map that into Qt's multitouch stuff. |
| 22:56.40 | jacques | sweet |
| 22:57.06 | egaudet_work | commute time, bbl |
| 22:57.20 | jacques | later egaudet_work |
| 22:58.00 | dtzWill | mouse input in X11 working :D |
| 22:58.10 | Cerealklr | in X11 0.o? |
| 22:58.25 | Cerealklr | Holy hell. |
| 22:58.30 | Cerealklr | Is it a phone or a laptop? |
| 22:58.30 | Cerealklr | xD |
| 22:58.51 | Cerealklr | Why the hell is Palm not getting money poured on them? =/ |
| 22:59.09 | darronb | I guess I could compile the plugin and try to use the emulator... hmm. does SDL work normally in the emulator? |
| 23:00.03 | loot- | i think the problem the pre is having (with sales anyways) is directly related to the poor marketing by carriers |
| 23:00.15 | loot- | both sprint and verizon have both hinted at the pre being a "mom" phone |
| 23:00.22 | Cerealklr | I knoww |
| 23:00.24 | loot- | which is hilarious to me |
| 23:00.28 | Cerealklr | and i don't have a bloody clue as to why! |
| 23:00.30 | jacques | dtzWill: you rock |
| 23:00.33 | EvanDotPro | Cerealklr: If only investors knew the technical potential in this platform... if so, my portfolio would look a hell-of-a-lot better right now. |
| 23:00.39 | Cerealklr | Same. |
| 23:00.40 | darronb | I've seen quite a few Pre ads on TV lately. I did read they were giving it a marketing reboot. any ideas on how's that going? |
| 23:00.41 | loot- | i would give one to my mom and expect it to run |
| 23:00.53 | Cerealklr | not good enough unfortunately. |
| 23:00.58 | loot- | but the real meat of linux cell phone sales seems to be hackability |
| 23:01.00 | jacques | darronb: I don't think SDL works in the emulator |
| 23:01.10 | loot- | which webos owns in spades compared to any other |
| 23:01.12 | Cerealklr | Its a nightmare come true. |
| 23:01.19 | Cerealklr | its DVD vs. Blue Ray all over again. |
| 23:01.23 | loot- | android is annoying :( |
| 23:01.38 | jacques | IMHO the problem is google's $$$$$$$$$$$ |
| 23:01.47 | Cerealklr | in the end, the shitty product is going to win because it's half a cent cheaper for the manufacturer and has a larger pool of capital behind it. |
| 23:01.51 | jacques | and also MS is trying to get back in the game |
| 23:01.53 | Cerealklr | @Jacques: precisely. |
| 23:01.58 | Cerealklr | All i'm hoping at this point |
| 23:02.10 | Cerealklr | is that Nokia snaps up Palm at some point before it literally dies |
| 23:02.14 | Cerealklr | and keeps it as a division |
| 23:02.26 | EvanDotPro | my co-worker came in with his baked rom android going off about how he "rooted" it and can do all these cool things now... I just laughed and asked him how those OTA updates were working out for him. |
| 23:02.39 | Cerealklr | xD |
| 23:02.46 | loot- | if they wanted to market the pre? hire hugh jackman and license swordfish characters |
| 23:02.55 | Cerealklr | hahaha |
| 23:03.11 | EvanDotPro | Cerealklr: A Nokia takeover would be nice... it would certainly help the stock out... give me a chance to get some of my money back. |
| 23:03.22 | loot- | a swordfish themed ad would sell |
| 23:03.41 | Cerealklr | II really want a "Mac vs. Pre" add |
| 23:03.45 | Cerealklr | classic Mac vs. PC style. |
| 23:03.46 | Cerealklr | xD |
| 23:03.49 | loot- | if dish network can do it why cant palm? |
| 23:03.55 | Cerealklr | except, of course, the rolls reversed |
| 23:04.20 | loot- | nah i hate apple and their ad campaigns |
| 23:04.24 | loot- | i'd rather avoid them entirely |
| 23:04.28 | loot- | as a subject |
| 23:04.40 | loot- | plus their market share is too strong they could demolish you with advertising if they wanted |
| 23:05.02 | dtzWill | jacques: ty :D |
| 23:05.07 | Cerealklr | Ah, but the issue is |
| 23:05.16 | Cerealklr | even though there ads are shit to intelligent people |
| 23:05.20 | Cerealklr | most people aren't intelligent. |
| 23:05.21 | Cerealklr | xD |
| 23:05.22 | dtzWill | jacques: i was gonna port qt and gtk over, but no qt needed now :). probably faster to avoid the X interaction anyway |
| 23:05.23 | Cerealklr | brb |
| 23:05.30 | dtzWill | good news is ipkg-opt already has gtk so sa-weet |
| 23:05.46 | EvanDotPro | the most recent apple commercials have really told the true story though.... pretty much the only advantage their phone has is one that's inherent to the GSM network, nothing specific to the phone. (ability to talk and use the web at the same time) |
| 23:06.38 | loot- | yet |
| 23:06.47 | loot- | you cant multitask really with the phone itself |
| 23:06.50 | loot- | haha |
| 23:07.19 | darronb | yeah, GSM... I sure hope Palm makes some timely GSM in the US announcement soon. Otherwise I'll probably be using the QWERTZ one. |
| 23:07.52 | loot- | honestly if i were a GSM user i would much rather have a nokia than an iphone |
| 23:08.30 | EvanDotPro | here in AZ the GSM 3G coverage / speeds sucks pretty bad compared to Sprint in my experience... plus any time i'm on the phone that I need web, I usually have wifi, so I'm good anyways. |
| 23:08.37 | darronb | loot-: I thought that. I had an iPhone, gave it to my wife to get the Nokia 5800 so I could tether and write Qt apps. I really don't like it. N900, that would be a different story |
| 23:08.51 | jacques | this is so damn cool - now we are going to have efl, X, and qt |
| 23:09.03 | loot- | yea im specifically talking n900 |
| 23:09.19 | loot- | no point getting a nokia if its not going to be the beast :P |
| 23:09.31 | Mousey | we're gonna have X?! |
| 23:09.38 | darronb | heh, yeah. I made the mistake of choosing the 5800 based on the Qt guys using that one for most of the Qt on Symbian demos |
| 23:09.44 | Mousey | can we have compiz?? |
| 23:09.46 | Mousey | ^_^ |
| 23:10.09 | loot- | can haz cheezburger insted |
| 23:10.30 | jacques | Mousey: dtzWill is rocking and rolling on X |
| 23:10.38 | darronb | Nokia and Intel now with MeeGo, that could really go someplace. Maybe not so far with phones, but... lots of other embedded devices |
| 23:10.41 | Mousey | wow |
| 23:10.49 | Mousey | twm, on my phone!! |
| 23:10.56 | jacques | shudders at twm |
| 23:11.05 | Mousey | s/luna/X11/ ????? |
| 23:11.11 | loot- | i think the release of flash is going to put a dent in iphone sales finally |
| 23:11.20 | Mousey | pre's anyway |
| 23:11.32 | loot- | all mobile flash i mean in general |
| 23:11.39 | loot- | crapple will never get flash |
| 23:11.42 | loot- | unless they buy adobe |
| 23:12.10 | darronb | I kinda wish Nokia would mostly drop Symbian and go MeeGo, but I guess they need some non-smartphone platforms too... |
| 23:12.13 | jacques | Mousey: it would take a lot of knowledge we don't currently have to be able to replace luna completely |
| 23:12.23 | jacques | Mousey: X is running in a card |
| 23:12.31 | Mousey | hahaha |
| 23:12.32 | Mousey | uh |
| 23:12.33 | Mousey | woah |
| 23:12.41 | jacques | which is IMHO cooler :-) |
| 23:12.48 | Mousey | my poor phone |
| 23:12.50 | loot- | agreed |
| 23:13.48 | jacques | imagine a pre plus running a card with X, a card with qt, and a card with efl |
| 23:14.00 | jacques | (not sure a pre could handle it RAM-wise :-( |
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| 23:14.14 | loot- | and a flash app playing in a browser card |
| 23:14.14 | jacques | oh, and quake |
| 23:14.17 | loot- | haha |
| 23:14.18 | jacques | yeah |
| 23:14.24 | Cerealklr | Well then if it can't handle it i'll just wait for the Elan |
| 23:14.24 | Cerealklr | xD |
| 23:14.43 | Cerealklr | I'm crossing every crossable-limb on my body hoping they can push out a new phone before they tank |
| 23:14.44 | epv | heh i just cloned the qt-palm-pre git tree, it's 820 MB |
| 23:14.57 | loot- | palm probably wont tank |
| 23:14.57 | Cerealklr | I'll poor every cent I earn into them if that'd push them over the edge. |
| 23:15.06 | Cerealklr | pour* |
| 23:15.21 | loot- | palm is a tenacious beast |
| 23:15.25 | darronb | epv: all I added is contained within src/plugins/gfxdrivers/webos |
| 23:15.26 | Cerealklr | well, getting bought by Nokia is equivalent, IMO |
| 23:15.30 | loot- | they've been through worse with a worse product |
| 23:15.35 | Cerealklr | it'll still live, but nowhere near as rapid or open |
| 23:15.36 | loot- | they just need better marketing |
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| 23:15.46 | Cerealklr | They need cash for better marketing |
| 23:15.51 | Cerealklr | and they need cash for a new device |
| 23:15.57 | Cerealklr | and they need cash to keep going timewise |
| 23:16.01 | darronb | epv: I probably should have added a general Qt build script |
| 23:16.04 | Cerealklr | and they're pretty damn low on it |
| 23:16.21 | loot- | im sure they could have sold out to VC overlords already |
| 23:16.21 | dtzWill | in theory it's running with the composite extension enabled actually lol |
| 23:16.25 | dtzWill | haven't checked, tbh |
| 23:16.26 | loot- | but their board with take a huge cut |
| 23:16.30 | epv | enh, i broke my arm toolchain recently anyway so i have to fix all that first |
| 23:16.30 | loot- | and im sure none of them want that |
| 23:16.35 | dtzWill | if it is, it'll be slow and terrible lol |
| 23:16.49 | epv | i get myself confused maintaining two separate ones, one for pre stuff and one for embedded SoC arm |
| 23:17.14 | loot- | dtzWill: with xrender or opengl? |
| 23:17.30 | darronb | epv: that kind of stuff is why I have separate VirtualBox VMs for the cross compiling |
| 23:17.40 | epv | yeah that seems wise, in retrospect. |
| 23:18.00 | epv | plus i have the whole atmel avr toolchain and various other abominations :) |
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| 23:19.00 | darronb | epv: only causes a problem when some stupid USB device doesn't play nice with the VM |
| 23:19.01 | smoofra | anybody have an idea how to get ip over bluetooth working |
| 23:20.03 | epv | darronb: ah, yeah. i've had ok luck with usb passthru stuff in KVM but i haven't tried it with jtag programmers or anything |
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| 23:20.20 | darronb | epv: at the moment, I have to either dual-boot or use a separate PC for TI's MSP430 series. The stupid emulator is RS232-based, too (well, it's a FTDI USB-to-serial chip) ... but it has really dumb timeouts that break under VMs |
| 23:20.24 | dtzWill | loot-: not sure how it's done, but it's definitely not opengl. Not sure what it'd take to get glx running |
| 23:20.49 | loot- | in kde you can do either |
| 23:20.57 | loot- | i would imagine the opengl composite wouldnt be horribly slow |
| 23:21.07 | loot- | xrender probably would be awful though |
| 23:21.20 | darronb | epv: my few JTAG programmers tend to work in VMs, luckily... Xilinx FPGA, Altera FPGA, Actel FPGA... err... a few others |
| 23:21.29 | epv | oh, that's good then. |
| 23:21.54 | epv | it would be nice to maintain separate vm's for all that |
| 23:22.44 | jacques | dtzWill: if any of the composite stuff uses pixman, it might not be bad - maemo project has been putting lots of NEON stuff in |
| 23:23.03 | jacques | (in the devel branch) |
| 23:23.04 | darronb | epv: I've got most of my dev environments in VMWare VMs, but I'm starting to use VirtualBox now. So, the JTAG programmers work in VMWare at least. |
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| 23:24.43 | dtzWill | jacques: oh interesting. i really didn't look into that.... yet. ;) rendering and basic input was important first |
| 23:25.04 | dtzWill | speaking of which, anyone have good ideas how to translate touchscreen movement to cursor abstraction? |
| 23:25.13 | darronb | I'm not terribly happy with webOS 1.4's silly little loading splash screens... for one, my simple "index.html" page for the Qt library package just shows a flashing loading screen forever. Apparently, Palm expects your initial web page to load something else. |
| 23:25.27 | dtzWill | can do basic things like tap without moving is click, else you just move the cursor, etc |
| 23:25.33 | dtzWill | maybe gesture+move for drag, etc |
| 23:25.45 | dtzWill | anyway curious if anyone has a particularly compelling idea for that, always open to suggestions |
| 23:25.52 | rwhitby | jacques, egaudet: I've sent dblack a PM with my email address. |
| 23:26.34 | darronb | rwhitby: dblack? me? :) |
| 23:27.06 | dtzWill | haha |
| 23:27.14 | rwhitby | darronb: ah, yes. you :-) just got up to there in the backlog :-) |
| 23:27.38 | dtzWill | hmm and not sure what a good wm would be that's useable via touchscreen, etc |
| 23:27.42 | epv | dtzwill: two-finger drag up/down could translate to up/down "scrollwheel" like on a mac |
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| 23:27.56 | dtzWill | meh i'll get it working and let someone else figure out applications and window managers that are good :P |
| 23:28.15 | epv | someone will build kde just to be perverse :0 |
| 23:28.16 | Cerealklr | dtzwill: correct. |
| 23:28.17 | Cerealklr | xD |
| 23:28.23 | dtzWill | epv: that would be sweet |
| 23:28.35 | Cerealklr | I can already think of a few ideas. =P |
| 23:28.36 | epv | and X already understands it via button4/button5, i think |
| 23:28.41 | rwhitby | darronb: see /msg :-) |
| 23:28.51 | Cerealklr | epv: i recall that too |
| 23:28.55 | dtzWill | zomg composite IS on |
| 23:29.02 | epv | haha awesome |
| 23:29.03 | dtzWill | just tested with a transparent urxvt and xcompmgr |
| 23:29.09 | dtzWill | hahahaha |
| 23:29.10 | Cerealklr | anyways, i'm off to college. Catch you all later. =] |
| 23:29.22 | epv | oh man the compiz transparent desktop cube |
| 23:29.30 | Cerealklr | Make it work |
| 23:29.30 | epv | that'd look pretty cool on a pre |
| 23:29.31 | darronb | jacques: do you have any suggestions on what I should do with the Qt library package? ... I currently have it showing up as an icon in webOS, but my "index.html" is broken now by webOS 1.4 |
| 23:29.34 | Cerealklr | passably quickly |
| 23:29.40 | Cerealklr | and I will send you 10 dollars |
| 23:29.41 | Cerealklr | on paypal |
| 23:29.42 | Cerealklr | xD |
| 23:29.57 | Cerealklr | darronb: there is some sort of visible attribute |
| 23:30.02 | Cerealklr | with which to hide the icon |
| 23:30.10 | Cerealklr | i never had to use it, so i glossed over it. |
| 23:30.38 | Cerealklr | the patches to hide apps should be very short and show what to change |
| 23:30.42 | Cerealklr | in the patches feed |
| 23:30.44 | Cerealklr | ttyl all |
| 23:30.44 | darronb | cerealklr: for use with Preware? would it work if it ever made it to the official app store? |
| 23:31.00 | Cerealklr | Don't think it ever can b/c of the postinst/preerm |
| 23:31.09 | Cerealklr | but i need to head out, bbl! |
| 23:31.10 | darronb | ah, yeah |
| 23:31.27 | darronb | cerealklr: later |
| 23:31.46 | jacques | darronb: we've been working on how to distribute libs - good thing rwhitby is here now :-) |
| 23:31.49 | darronb | i worked to get rid of my postinst/prerm, the current package doesn't need it |
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| 23:32.07 | zsoc | mornin |
| 23:32.20 | epv | i think you just put "visible": false in appinfo.json |
| 23:32.28 | darronb | ... you just have to follow the pattern with Qt apps that use the lib to make sure you do the LD_LIBRARY_PATH fixups you need, etc |
| 23:33.05 | rwhitby | darronb: did you get my /msg here? |
| 23:33.26 | darronb | rwhitby: no, I scanned a bit for it. you said "dblack" earlier, could that be why? |
| 23:33.37 | jacques | http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/08/android-ndk-hits-release-3-brings-opengl-es-2-0-access-to-devs/ - wish we had that - oh, wait. |
| 23:33.54 | darronb | rwhitby: oops.. hold on |
| 23:34.27 | rwhitby | darronb: no, I meant a /msg here on IRC - direct user to user message |
| 23:34.38 | rwhitby | gotcha now |
| 23:40.20 | smoofra | anybody know how to enable bluetooth networking?? |
| 23:40.31 | smoofra | somebody must have figured this out |
| 23:40.45 | epv | smoofra: it just worked for me |
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| 23:41.00 | epv | just pair your computer with it and then bring up PAN networking |
| 23:41.06 | smoofra | epv: you in europe? |
| 23:41.08 | epv | the pre advertises PAN service |
| 23:41.08 | epv | no |
| 23:41.37 | smoofra | it tells me my 'service accoutn does not allow intternet connection sharing' |
| 23:41.58 | epv | yeah, but that has nothing to do with it |
| 23:42.06 | epv | you have networking between your computer and the pre anyway |
| 23:42.13 | smoofra | oh rly |
| 23:42.35 | epv | you can ssh to 10.1.1.10 or something like that and log into the phone |
| 23:42.53 | epv | the "connection sharing" stuff is only if you want to forward packets out other interfaces |
| 23:42.54 | smoofra | oh sweet lemme try |
| 23:43.06 | smoofra | yea i've already figured out how to forard packets |
| 23:44.22 | smoofra | nope |
| 23:44.25 | smoofra | can't ping |
| 23:44.39 | epv | ifconfig bsl0 on your pre and see if it has an address |
| 23:44.50 | smoofra | oh wait 10.0.1.1 |
| 23:44.52 | smoofra | wooo |
| 23:44.55 | smoofra | it works |
| 23:45.01 | smoofra | hah im an idiot thanks |
| 23:45.03 | epv | heh |
| 23:45.06 | epv | sure |
| 23:45.36 | epv | oh wow, they changed it in 1.4, it now creates a bridge and adds bsl0 to that |
| 23:45.42 | smoofra | that's weird thought ifconfig bsl0 says it has no address, but it's got a bridgge yea |
| 23:45.43 | epv | instead of just configuring bsl0 directly |
| 23:45.56 | epv | must be for the "mobile hotspot" stuff |
| 23:45.58 | smoofra | and my bridge says the address is 10.1.1.11 |
| 23:46.02 | smoofra | but that doesn't work |
| 23:46.28 | smoofra | hrm weired. i can ping 10.0.1.1, but no ssh |
| 23:46.31 | epv | do you have it firewalled? |
| 23:47.20 | epv | you might need to iptables -I INPUT -i bridge0 -p tcp --dport 222 -j ACCEPT |
| 23:47.23 | epv | or something like that |
| 23:47.32 | smoofra | oh yea |
| 23:47.33 | epv | i think by default it's blocked |
| 23:47.36 | smoofra | that's probably it |
| 23:47.37 | jacques | yeah change 222 to whatever port you are running sshd on |
| 23:47.50 | epv | i just opened the ssh port on all interfaces on mine, and run it on port 222 |
| 23:49.15 | smoofra | still no luck |
| 23:49.40 | epv | see if you can ping the other way, from the pre to your comptuer |
| 23:49.43 | epv | or ssh |
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| 23:50.22 | smoofra | nope can't ping the other way |
| 23:50.23 | jacques | do you have telnet client ? sometimes telneting to the ssh port will tell you something |
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| 23:50.39 | smoofra | jacques: it's getting connection refused |
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| 23:50.45 | jacques | ah |
| 23:51.13 | epv | ohh so you have a link at least |
| 23:51.22 | epv | can you ssh into the pre from elsewhere? |
| 23:51.23 | jacques | you opened correct port? what does netstat say? |
| 23:51.34 | smoofra | yea i can sssh to the pre via usb |
| 23:51.54 | epv | that's weird. maybe ssh is only listening on the usb0 address instead of on *? |
| 23:52.00 | epv | you could restart sshd, i guess |
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| 23:52.20 | jacques | is there a comment in the event script talking about a change you need to make to open otehr interfaces? |
| 23:52.46 | jacques | not able to log into my phone right now to check, but I thought there was |
| 23:53.05 | epv | there is in the optware package |
| 23:53.19 | epv | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:53.28 | epv | that should open it up in general |
| 23:53.38 | epv | but if you're getting connection refused, it's not blocked by iptables |
| 23:54.26 | jacques | maybe the sshd is not listening on that interface then |
| 23:54.33 | epv | that's what i was thinking |
| 23:54.43 | smoofra | yea i've got that rule in my iptables |
| 23:54.57 | smoofra | and i dont' see anythign in sshd_config about listenting on particular interfaces |
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| 23:55.01 | rwhitby | jacques, dtzWill, egaudet: who has some spare time to package up Qt ? |
| 23:55.26 | zsoc | whistles innocently, looking around |
| 23:55.37 | epv | smoofra: are you using openssh or dropbear? |
| 23:55.38 | jacques | rwhitby: it would be a great learning experience for me, but I don't have the time ATM :-\ |
| 23:55.53 | jacques | needs to learn how to package things |
| 23:56.28 | epv | in openssh, opensshd.conf (or equiv commandline) should contain "ListenAddress 0.0.0.0" |
| 23:56.35 | epv | assuming you want it to listen on all interfaces, of course |
| 23:57.36 | smoofra | epv: openssh |
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| 23:57.42 | epv | ok |
| 23:57.51 | jacques | good |
| 23:57.51 | Cerealklr_ | heya |
| 23:58.34 | epv | smoofra: i think listening on all interfaces is the default |
| 23:58.45 | epv | you'll have to get logged in to the pre and see what's up |
| 23:59.05 | smoofra | oh i am logged in to the pre |
| 23:59.11 | smoofra | i still can't figure out what it's problem is |
| 23:59.23 | Sedorox | is using dropbear |
| 23:59.27 | smoofra | i don't think it's that openssh isn't listening on the right interface |
