| 00:00.15 | spectropr | mousey: right now i click a modern warfare 2 affair is apparently downloading/installin nothing happen |
| 00:00.16 | en0x | PEBKAC = problem exists between keyboard and computer ;D |
| 00:00.32 | Mousey | spectropr: did you restart luna after? |
| 00:00.51 | Mousey | spectropr: you have only 1 theme installed, right? |
| 00:00.52 | zsoc_wirc | I actually do love my phone. webos is amazing. |
| 00:00.59 | mjkjr | slaps himself for not realizing that |
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| 00:02.01 | spectropr | mousey: after the update to 28 i restart the phone then i try to install 1 theme for test then a error message pop i close the app then im trying again and is loading |
| 00:02.25 | spectropr | im going to restart it again dont know is weird |
| 00:02.27 | spectropr | brb |
| 00:02.31 | mjkjr | recommendation, skip the theme |
| 00:02.51 | dBsooner | 1245 root 20 0 27468 3536 3204 R 4.3 1.4 1:24.60 PmWiFiService |
| 00:03.04 | dBsooner | ^^ that's when my pre isn't connected to a power source |
| 00:03.16 | spectropr | i try 2 theme that why is weird jeje |
| 00:03.22 | spectropr | maybe they are broken lol |
| 00:03.23 | Mousey | spectropr: when you reload, go into preware, and do "update feeds" from the pulldown menu |
| 00:03.29 | Mousey | see if there isn't a newer preware |
| 00:03.50 | spectropr | i download the 27 version then update to 28 |
| 00:04.09 | spectropr | then restart |
| 00:05.13 | spectropr | ok phone is up goin again :D |
| 00:08.41 | spectropr | anything i have to download beside the update? |
| 00:08.53 | Jim__ | :) |
| 00:10.40 | spectropr | ok im at the main menu |
| 00:10.41 | mjkjr | what version of package manager service do you have spectropr |
| 00:10.59 | spectropr | it says preware v0.9.28 |
| 00:11.15 | mjkjr | go to installed packages from main screen |
| 00:11.42 | mjkjr | then "service" |
| 00:11.54 | mjkjr | look at package manager service, what version is it |
| 00:12.11 | spectropr | ok it says v0.9.38 |
| 00:13.57 | spectropr | what next : ) |
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| 00:15.13 | mjkjr | have you only tried to install a theme? if so try a free app or a patch that interests you and see if you still have errors. |
| 00:15.34 | spectropr | tell me something :P |
| 00:15.35 | spectropr | for test |
| 00:15.43 | spectropr | im just starting to use it. . . |
| 00:15.48 | mjkjr | lol, patch or app? |
| 00:16.12 | spectropr | anything jeje |
| 00:16.28 | spectropr | let try better an app |
| 00:18.07 | mjkjr | try something simple and useful like "Add Date- MM/DD" patch or "Switcharoo Free" app, lol idk |
| 00:19.43 | spectropr | im goin to install hide nfl icon lol |
| 00:20.09 | spectropr | is downloading/ installing |
| 00:21.43 | Nrbelex | dBsooner: Did you get a chance to check on the feasibility of the patches I proposed for a bounty? |
| 00:22.24 | egaudet | bounty patchers |
| 00:22.39 | Nrbelex | ... |
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| 00:23.34 | spectropr | nfl patch to hide install 100% is doin luna restart right now |
| 00:23.44 | Eguy | egaudet: unreversed patch detected on all the js files |
| 00:23.49 | egaudet | not all |
| 00:23.54 | egaudet | or not aupt |
| 00:23.56 | egaudet | you tell me |
| 00:24.00 | smartinsen01 | is it safe to install patches on webos1. |
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| 00:24.09 | Eguy | All the js files that the patch patches |
| 00:24.15 | egaudet | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:24.18 | spectropr | it work |
| 00:24.19 | Eguy | That's what shows up in the ipkglog |
| 00:24.20 | spectropr | ! |
| 00:24.21 | spectropr | lol |
| 00:24.25 | egaudet | not the ipkg log |
| 00:24.26 | egaudet | that lies |
| 00:24.29 | mjkjr | spectropr, awesome just stay away from the themes then bad experiences here. |
| 00:24.33 | egaudet | well not lies but only gives stderr |
| 00:24.34 | spectropr | maybe need another restart lmao |
| 00:24.37 | spectropr | yeah |
| 00:24.41 | smartinsen01 | Is it safe to install patches on webos1.4 |
| 00:24.43 | Eguy | Let me check the txt log |
| 00:24.52 | spectropr | thanx fo the support real fast take care all good night |
| 00:26.39 | Eguy | I'm not sure where it starts |
| 00:26.45 | mjkjr | smartinsen01, why wouldn't it be? |
| 00:26.56 | egaudet | should be nicely spaced ==== |
| 00:27.01 | egaudet | PATCH REMOVAL |
| 00:27.02 | egaudet | ==== |
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| 00:28.24 | Eguy | egaudet: http://webos.pastebin.com/2hubgDR4 |
| 00:28.37 | smartinsen01 | after update I started reinstalling patches and my pre became bricked. I just got a new one so i'm afraid of it happening again |
| 00:28.55 | Nrbelex | smartinsen01: It's almost impossible to "brick" a Pre |
| 00:29.11 | Nrbelex | and patches are fine in 1.4 |
| 00:29.39 | smartinsen01 | I tried webos doctor webos repair utility nothing worked |
| 00:29.46 | cxreg-pre | without an actual brick |
| 00:29.54 | mjkjr | i don't think you can actually "brick" one |
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| 00:30.17 | smartinsen01 | in the end the phone wouldn't even charge |
| 00:30.31 | mjkjr | if you traded it for a brand new device i say go for it |
| 00:30.32 | egaudet | Eguy, are you sure you don't have phone notification repeat patch installed |
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| 00:31.00 | Eguy | I have sms notification repeat patch installed but it hasn't been updated yet |
| 00:31.08 | Eguy | Not phone. |
| 00:31.31 | egaudet | Eguy, how linux savvy are you |
| 00:31.46 | Eguy | I'm ok, not great. |
| 00:32.01 | smartinsen01 | maybe I had some kind of hardware issue at a bad time but it seemed to be either the browser multimode or the download manager patch |
| 00:32.10 | egaudet | OK enough to get the file off your pre and diff it against a locally extracted doctor file? |
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| 00:32.33 | Eguy | Possibly. |
| 00:32.39 | Eguy | I get get the file off. |
| 00:32.46 | Eguy | s/get/can/ |
| 00:33.01 | Eguy | Depending on how long I can visually look. |
| 00:33.26 | mjkjr | smartinsen01, i'd put money on multi-mod patch somehow being involved with your issues. just stay away from that one |
| 00:34.30 | Flashpass | I'm getting an error trying to uninstall the "Data in Device Menu" patch, "Unreversed patch detected". Is there a suggested solution? |
| 00:34.42 | smartinsen01 | anyone else have the unthrottle download manager running on 1.4 |
| 00:34.47 | cxreg-pre | is host or nslookup in ipkg anywheren |
| 00:35.07 | egaudet | Eguy, what's the md5sum of /usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.phone/app/controllers/missedcall-assistant.js |
| 00:35.15 | Flashpass | smartinsen01: I do |
| 00:35.30 | Eguy | Let me check |
| 00:35.46 | smartinsen01 | thanks I'll try it |
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| 00:36.12 | Decimate | well, i wanna make a patch, just cause im bored, but idk what to do. any ideas... (serious only) |
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| 00:36.46 | mjkjr | decimate, yes i even made a thread for it |
| 00:38.21 | Eguy | egaudet: 39DA7E27EA477DB2BF99D8CF161916BD |
| 00:39.19 | egaudet | it's modified |
| 00:39.28 | egaudet | something modified it |
| 00:39.32 | Flashpass | Decimate, maybe wakeup the phone with the button on the bottom instead of just the power button |
| 00:39.47 | Eguy | egaudet: I have no idea what did? |
| 00:39.58 | egaudet | the only other patch to touch that file is phone notification repeat patch |
| 00:40.29 | Eguy | I did unhide the call duration with the luna-send command, that doesn't touch that file though right? |
| 00:40.45 | egaudet | not that I know of |
| 00:41.08 | egaudet | but then I dont know what that does at all |
| 00:41.08 | Eguy | I think it only does the call log assistant. |
| 00:41.17 | rwhitby | cxreg-pre: check in optware |
| 00:41.20 | egaudet | a luna-send command modifies a file? |
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| 00:41.47 | Eguy | Maybe it is a cookie |
| 00:42.02 | mjkjr | somewhat random, so i know more about windows than i care to bc that's what i went to school for, BUT I've always been really curious about linux, do they even sell computers with linux already installed? |
| 00:42.15 | egaudet | can you email me your entire webos-patches.log file? |
| 00:42.26 | Eguy | mjkjr: Some netbooks. |
| 00:42.58 | mjkjr | any tips on where i could look? I'm pretty sure i've never seen anything running linux at best buy |
| 00:43.28 | Flashpass | Any ideas on the "Unreversed patch detected" error? |
| 00:43.38 | Eguy | That's because the idiots that go to best buy can't use linux ;) |
| 00:43.51 | Flashpass | Didn't dell have the ability at one point to install linux |
| 00:44.09 | mjkjr | thinks that was a little harsh, lol |
| 00:44.09 | Eguy | They sold mini 9's with Ubuntu |
| 00:44.16 | Flashpass | I guess you could buy a computer with one on it or with nothing on it, and just install yourself |
| 00:44.38 | egaudet | Flashpass, there's no universal answer to that |
| 00:44.53 | egaudet | it's part of many different unique issues |
| 00:45.15 | egaudet | emoney_33@yahoo.com eguy |
| 00:46.15 | Eguy | Ouch, Yahoo. |
| 00:46.30 | Flashpass | +egaudet: Okay then, is there anything I can do to remove this patch? |
| 00:46.35 | Eguy | Sent |
| 00:46.45 | Eguy | It's pretty messy |
| 00:47.03 | egaudet | Flashpass, EPR, doctor |
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| 00:48.22 | elpollodiablo1 | I am having some problems connecting you ssh on my pre using the key method, I get a permissions denied after I put in the passphrase. any ideas? |
| 00:49.00 | egaudet | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:OpenSSH |
| 00:49.14 | elpollodiablo1 | I am not using putty to connect |
| 00:49.41 | elpollodiablo1 | I am using the ssh command in the terminal I did ssh-add id_rsa |
| 00:49.58 | Eguy | egaudet: You should get the email soon. |
| 00:50.44 | Eguy | You will probably find lots of problems in there but that is mostly because I wasn't able to install patches until recently for what ever reason. |
| 00:51.12 | egaudet | I got it |
| 00:51.25 | elpollodiablo1 | I did ssh -vv and it returned debug1: Trying private key: /home/greg/.ssh/id_dsa debug2: we did not send a packet, disable method |
| 00:51.38 | egaudet | Eguy, now I need the diff |
| 00:51.39 | Decimate | elpollodiablo1: the instructions at the openssh aplication page are flawless...follow them |
| 00:51.46 | Eguy | What diff? |
| 00:51.48 | egaudet | diff the file against the .webosinternals.orig file in the same location |
| 00:52.08 | egaudet | this -could- be bad |
| 00:52.09 | elpollodiablo1 | I am not using putty I am using the ssh terminal command they do not cover that. |
| 00:52.42 | Decimate | use putty? |
| 00:52.48 | Decimate | or winscp. |
| 00:52.51 | elpollodiablo1 | why I am using linux |
| 00:53.15 | Eguy | egaudet: .webosinternals.patches.packages? |
| 00:53.19 | egaudet | ? |
| 00:53.25 | egaudet | the missedcall-assistant file |
| 00:53.36 | Eguy | Oh |
| 00:53.38 | elpollodiablo1 | why would I use putty when I could just use the ssh command and have it set up default on all linux machine |
| 00:53.52 | egaudet | Eguy, what's the md5sum of /usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.phone/app/controllers/missedcall-assistant.js.webosinternals.orig |
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| 00:54.42 | egaudet | elpollodiablo1, the page i linked refers you to the openssh home page and manual pages |
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| 00:55.06 | cxreg-wirc | typing "stop" in terminus = epic fail |
| 00:55.23 | Eguy | Difference: A8499ADF3FA74A2E795CDFC57EB990B2 |
| 00:55.37 | Eguy | I wonder what modified it. |
| 00:55.38 | mjkjr | i want to give linux a try to see what i think, just don't want to spend too much bc i'm so used to windows i'm scared i might not like linux |
| 00:55.50 | egaudet | Eguy, that's not a diff |
| 00:56.08 | Eguy | mjkjr: Install virtualbox and use linux in a VM first. |
| 00:56.09 | egaudet | that means the orig file is stock (good) so wait a moment |
| 00:56.24 | Eguy | It was 39DA before |
| 00:56.34 | elpollodiablo1 | egaudet: I will check it out and one I come up with a solution I will write it into the wiki |
| 00:57.31 | mjkjr | Eguy, thanks I'm going to check that out |
| 00:57.54 | Eguy | I suggest Ubuntu 9.10 due to it's simplicity |
| 00:58.32 | egaudet | Eguy, you have phone notification repeat patch installed |
| 00:58.47 | Eguy | I used to. |
| 00:58.52 | Eguy | I thought I removed it. |
| 00:59.29 | egaudet | the md5sum of the file matches the md5sum of that file with the phone notification repeat patch applied |
| 00:59.36 | egaudet | are you on 1.4? |
| 00:59.53 | Eguy | Yes. |
| 01:00.04 | egaudet | when did 1.4 come out? |
| 01:00.22 | Eguy | 2/26 |
| 01:01.22 | Decimate | the new facebook app looks SWEETTT. |
| 01:01.34 | Eguy | Finally |
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| 01:03.19 | egaudet | on Sat 2/27 you installed phone notification repeat patch |
| 01:03.23 | egaudet | and it has not been removed since |
| 01:03.30 | egaudet | is it not showing as installed in preware? |
| 01:03.53 | Eguy | Maybe it was stuck in there with the rest of them |
| 01:03.59 | Eguy | Let me check preware |
| 01:04.16 | xcomp | what is this half baked nonsense of a facebook app they released? |
| 01:04.21 | dBsooner | Decimate: any word on when it might come out? |
| 01:04.32 | Eguy | Facebook 1.1.0 is out now. |
| 01:04.40 | xcomp | yes, that one |
| 01:04.53 | Eguy | I just installed it from the catalog. |
| 01:04.53 | dBsooner | That's the one Decimate is referring to? |
| 01:04.56 | xcomp | photos don't work |
| 01:05.02 | xcomp | there's no chat |
| 01:05.04 | dBsooner | I thought it was "FreindsBook"? |
| 01:05.08 | xcomp | event is very poorly executed |
| 01:05.12 | Decimate | dbSooner: its out. |
| 01:05.12 | xcomp | s/event/events |
| 01:05.13 | mjkjr | would i need to buy the actual os in order to check it out with virtual box? reading the virtual box page now |
| 01:05.16 | Eguy | FriendsBook is a seperate app. |
| 01:05.25 | Eguy | separate * |
| 01:05.37 | Eguy | mjkjr: lol. Linux is free. |
| 01:05.51 | Decimate | dBsooner: The official palm facebook app was just updated... crazily. It's ALOT better. |
| 01:05.58 | mjkjr | facebook app did get an update, updating now to see the sweetness myself |
| 01:06.02 | dBsooner | Is that a good one? |
| 01:06.12 | dBsooner | I just don't want it to sync my facebook contacts |
| 01:06.17 | mjkjr | eguy, a free OS!? what? |
| 01:06.19 | Eguy | egaudet: You are right! I do have phone repeat installed. |
| 01:06.23 | jacques | what's facebook? |
| 01:06.28 | Eguy | I wonder how that got in there. |
| 01:06.39 | Decimate | dBsooner: its just an app...no syncing. |
| 01:10.05 | *** join/#webos-internals infobot (ibot@rikers.org) |
| 01:10.05 | *** topic/#webos-internals is Discussion about webOS internals (not webOS SDK usage - #webos for that, or wIRC - #wirc for that). Honor all licenses, carrier agreements and copyrights when speaking here. Twitter: @webosinternals Logs: http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/ Wiki: http://www.webos-internals.org/ Pastebin: http://webos.pastebin.com/ Preware: http://install.preware.org/ Patches: http://patches.webos-internals.org/ |
| 01:10.05 | *** mode/#webos-internals [+v infobot] by ChanServ |
| 01:10.10 | Eguy | ~hi |
| 01:10.11 | infobot | hello, eguy |
| 01:10.12 | jacques | infobot: wb |
| 01:10.13 | infobot | thx |
| 01:10.18 | rwhitby | cxreg: you checked http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/optware/cs08q1armel/cross/unstable/, right? |
| 01:10.44 | rwhitby | maybe in util-linux or util-linux-ng ... |
| 01:10.58 | xcomp | my work project just got suspended for a couple of months. going home to eat a burrito |
| 01:11.01 | rwhitby | http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/optware/cs08q1armel/cross/unstable/Packages.filelist should like the executables and tell you which package |
| 01:11.05 | Eguy | Weird that infobot rejoined here and not the watercooler. |
| 01:11.09 | rwhitby | (that's a 13M file) |
| 01:11.28 | rwhitby | xcomp: so more time for webOS ? |
| 01:11.38 | jacques | :-D |
| 01:23.07 | *** join/#webos-internals infobot (ibot@rikers.org) |
| 01:23.07 | *** topic/#webos-internals is Discussion about webOS internals (not webOS SDK usage - #webos for that, or wIRC - #wirc for that). Honor all licenses, carrier agreements and copyrights when speaking here. Twitter: @webosinternals Logs: http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/ Wiki: http://www.webos-internals.org/ Pastebin: http://webos.pastebin.com/ Preware: http://install.preware.org/ Patches: http://patches.webos-internals.org/ |
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| 01:44.56 | *** topic/#webos-internals is Discussion about webOS internals (not webOS SDK usage - #webos for that, or wIRC - #wirc for that). Honor all licenses, carrier agreements and copyrights when speaking here. Twitter: @webosinternals Logs: http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/ Wiki: http://www.webos-internals.org/ Pastebin: http://webos.pastebin.com/ Preware: http://install.preware.org/ Patches: http://patches.webos-internals.org/ |
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| 01:44.59 | halfhalo | I maintain that the only reason it was faster than xp was that nothing ran in it |
| 01:45.34 | Eguy | Nothing would run in it. |
| 01:45.42 | Eguy | and the driver support was awful. |
| 01:45.46 | halfhalo | yeah |
| 01:45.57 | halfhalo | took forever for creative drivers |
| 01:46.28 | Eguy | Creative drivers are awful to begin with anyway heh. |
| 01:46.48 | halfhalo | true |
| 01:46.49 | rwhitby | .eu sims three has EFIGS language selection |
| 01:47.18 | halfhalo | but then again, they do let me map my xfi's output to different plugs on it |
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| 01:49.05 | Eguy | rwhitby: Does NFS say ein, zwei, drei gehen! |
| 01:49.21 | rwhitby | Eguy: didn't get that far. |
| 01:49.30 | Eguy | Ah. |
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| 01:49.40 | rwhitby | Since I bought it on my Sprint Pre when it first came out. |
| 01:50.03 | rwhitby | (which reminds me, I need to get that credit card recharged) |
| 01:50.05 | rwhitby | bbl |
| 01:51.48 | mjkjr | Download complete, looking for ubuntu download now |
| 01:52.29 | Eguy | http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download |
| 01:54.20 | mjkjr | thanks |
| 01:57.05 | mjkjr | eguy, what's your opinion about this option? http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download-wubi |
| 01:57.57 | zsoc | wubi, ew |
| 01:58.05 | Eguy | zsoc said it best |
| 01:59.40 | mjkjr | dang, i thought it would be better so i could run my laptop with vista or ubuntu instead of only running ubuntu in a virtual environment. |
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| 02:00.22 | Eguy | You can still install ubuntu on your laptop. |
| 02:00.33 | Eguy | Just burn the ISO to a disk and boot into it. |
| 02:00.50 | Eguy | I thought you would prefer a VM though. |
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| 02:02.35 | bougyman | where's the on-screen keyboard in pre-ware? |
| 02:02.39 | bougyman | or is it gone? |
| 02:02.43 | bougyman | i'm lookin in patches |
| 02:03.10 | mjkjr | well i did see that i could burn the iso to a disk, just didn't know if i'd be able to boot from that. I just didn't want to accidentally get rid of vista |
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| 02:05.36 | bougyman | ah, virtual keyboard |
| 02:05.37 | bougyman | cound it |
| 02:05.41 | bougyman | is it safe with 1.4? |
| 02:05.45 | mjkjr | bougyman: i thought it was under virtual keyboard |
| 02:06.35 | bougyman | it is, and says it's 1.4 supported |
| 02:07.44 | jhojho | wth? tar on mac includes the ._file automagically when tarring? |
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| 02:10.30 | zsoc | bougyman, the partitioning segment of the ubuntu install is pretty clear, it would be tough to delete windows accidentally, just pay attention |
| 02:11.10 | mjkjr | +zsoc, i think you meant that for me? |
| 02:11.40 | zsoc | mjkjr, yep sorry, i'm pretty much completely wasted |
| 02:11.43 | zsoc | i need to go to bed |
| 02:11.44 | egaudet | vista does thing differently doesn't it |
| 02:11.58 | zsoc | egaudet, his problem might be repartitioning his harddrive |
| 02:12.14 | zsoc | mjkjr, you may not be able to resize a vista partition without turning off hibernation and save states |
| 02:12.23 | egaudet | yeah I remember when I had vista I had to repartition with vista otherwise it would screw up |
| 02:13.01 | zsoc | woooo bed. later |
| 02:13.38 | bougyman | hey this thing is really usable. |
| 02:13.58 | mjkjr | hmmm, that's why i was considering this route http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download-wubi rather than this route http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download |
| 02:14.36 | tmzt | grub and grub2 both broken for me |
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| 02:18.40 | Guest60403 | i cant download any apps on the app catolog or preware |
| 02:18.45 | Guest60403 | help please |
| 02:19.45 | Guest60403 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:22.06 | Guest60403 | hello |
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| 02:22.54 | angel_ | hello |
| 02:23.00 | angel_ | i need help |
| 02:23.07 | angel_ | anyone there? |
| 02:23.59 | angel_ | HELP |
| 02:24.00 | angel_ | ! |
| 02:24.02 | angel_ | ? |
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| 02:24.19 | dtzWill | lol |
| 02:27.39 | mjkjr | wonders what to do for the next 3 hours while ubuntu slowly downloads |
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| 02:30.25 | cxreg | mjkjr: shop for a faster internet connection? |
| 02:31.12 | Eguy | LOL |
| 02:32.32 | mjkjr | great idea, my contract has been up for atleast 4 months. |
| 02:32.52 | Eguy | mjkjr: What city are you in? |
| 02:32.55 | mjkjr | but i ONLY have 2hr 55 min left, lol |
| 02:33.05 | mjkjr | kansas city |
| 02:33.08 | mjkjr | missouri |
| 02:33.27 | Eguy | The local cable provider is probably cheaper than Sprint. |
| 02:33.43 | Eguy | DSL will be slower than Sprint Mobile Broadband. |
| 02:34.31 | mjkjr | i just moved jan 1 so i have considered shopping around. I need something faster than mobile broadband, unless mine is unusually slow |
| 02:35.04 | mjkjr | does 3 hrs for a 800mb download sound right? |
| 02:35.11 | Eguy | I have 30/1 cable and it works well. The 1 upload bothers me and it horrible for running a server at home. |
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| 02:35.20 | Eguy | For EVDO, yes. |
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| 02:39.09 | mjkjr | definately time to upgrade then, i'm sure i could get more speed for my money else where. |
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| 02:41.38 | Eguy | One oil is enough, now we have two. |
| 02:41.52 | oil_pre | srsly |
| 02:42.53 | en0x | why everyone is talking about the new facebook app when I don;t see it in my app catalog :S |
| 02:44.07 | mjkjr | en0x, are you not in the states? |
| 02:44.09 | psykoz | en0x, it's not on the app catalog feed yet, it is in the update feed |
| 02:44.11 | en0x | i am |
| 02:44.16 | psykoz | so you need to go to updates |
| 02:44.29 | psykoz | if you didn't have it installed before install from app catalog and then go to updates |
| 02:44.44 | en0x | oh thats weird why they havent added it to main feed |
| 02:44.54 | psykoz | yeah I dunno that either |
| 02:45.13 | mjkjr | it is a big improvement from the previous version IMO |
| 02:45.29 | psykoz | yeah it's really nice |
| 02:45.43 | psykoz | I want to sit down and compare it with my friends iPhone app (he says the iPhone app is like seckztastic) |
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| 02:48.37 | Eguy | It's pretty complete. Much better than the first version. It is a little like the Palm OS version. |
| 02:49.29 | mjkjr | that would be interesting to see which is better. my buddy at work has it on his iphone, i'll challenge him to a facebook face off. iphone vs webos, who will win? |
| 02:49.58 | cxreg | i wonder if i could convince the pre's browser to use a socks proxy |
| 02:50.04 | cxreg | maybe with a LD_PRELOAD |
| 02:50.18 | Eguy | Convince the Pre to stop lagging first. |
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| 02:51.35 | mjkjr | never noticed any lag, :0 |
| 02:51.59 | Eguy | Fu-nn-nn-ny |
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| 02:53.00 | mjkjr | ok.... maybe once |
| 02:53.12 | Ihazspintpr35 | hello |
| 02:53.13 | mjkjr | ....an hour |
| 02:53.29 | Ihazspintpr35 | does anyone have the terminal app installed |
| 02:53.40 | Eguy | He said the magic word!! |
| 02:53.41 | mjkjr | Hola, si |
| 02:53.58 | Eguy | infobot, party |
| 02:53.59 | infobot | Woohoo! Bot on the loose! |
| 02:54.15 | Eguy | Ihazspintpr35: Terminal is broken |
| 02:54.22 | Eguy | Don't use it |
| 02:54.24 | Ihazspintpr35 | oh |
| 02:54.31 | Ihazspintpr35 | that makes sense |
| 02:54.39 | Ihazspintpr35 | because it forces a reset |
| 02:54.54 | Ihazspintpr35 | has it just been since 1.4? |
| 02:55.26 | Eguy | Yes sir. |
| 02:55.41 | jacques | maybe we should put the terminal status in the topic |
| 02:55.42 | cxreg | Ihazspintpr35: terminus works |
| 02:55.52 | Eguy | jacques: I agree |
| 02:56.29 | mjkjr | infobot: hi |
| 02:56.29 | infobot | hello, mjkjr |
| 02:56.42 | Eguy | Ihazspintpr35: http://forums.precentral.net/webos-internals/233555-launching-terminal-restarts-luna-i-think.html |
| 02:57.34 | psykoz | I long for the day of terminal working again |
| 02:57.34 | Eguy | Good enough. |
| 02:57.37 | Eguy | ~terminal |
| 02:57.38 | infobot | i guess terminal is very, very alpha, but can be found at http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Terminal, or broken for 1.4, use terminus for the time being. |
| 02:58.05 | mjkjr | infobot: thank you |
| 02:58.05 | infobot | de nada, mjkjr |
| 02:58.47 | Ihazspintpr35 | is terminus as good? |
| 02:58.55 | Eguy | Not really |
| 02:58.57 | Eguy | But it works |
| 02:59.03 | Ihazspintpr35 | does it support copy/paste |
| 02:59.50 | Eguy | I don't think so |
| 03:00.31 | Ihazspintpr35 | does anyone which provides better vnc remotewin or mediaremote? |
| 03:01.12 | Ihazspintpr35 | I really wish we had a full blown vnc made by realvnc or someone :( |
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| 03:12.13 | GD_ | Hello |
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| 03:21.44 | mjkjr | is considering cancelling ubuntu download, approximately 2 hours left =/ |
| 03:23.08 | bpadalino | why so long ? |
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| 03:25.25 | mjkjr | sprint mobile broadband and an 800mb download |
| 03:25.38 | bpadalino | ah gotcha |
| 03:26.00 | bpadalino | there was a 512MB vmware image that was ubuntu 9.10 i thought .. decent download for being all setup and whatnot |
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| 03:28.24 | mjkjr | dang, too late now lol. i'm downloading http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download-wubi |
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| 03:29.47 | jhojho | bpadalino: to just install through iso imo. that way you only put in the stuff you want |
| 03:30.09 | jhojho | just put together a 8.04 vmware image the other day. didnt' take that long |
| 03:30.28 | bpadalino | ah, i just had a predone one from vmplanet or wherever |
| 03:30.30 | bpadalino | i wasn't too ambitious |
| 03:30.39 | jhojho | 10.04 can't get here quick enough. 8.04 is long in the tooth =) |
| 03:31.15 | Eguy | I like 9.10 much better than 8.04 |
| 03:31.26 | dBsooner | rwhitby: ping |
| 03:31.27 | mjkjr | all i wanted to do was see what linux was like and if i'd like it. i've never even used it before so i don't even know what i'd want. |
| 03:31.50 | jhojho | lol. |
| 03:32.04 | jhojho | linux is great as a server/dev platform |
| 03:32.11 | rwhitby | dBsooner: gu |
| 03:32.19 | jhojho | not so good as a gui |
| 03:32.37 | jacques | hmm, my phone is losing charge % on USB ? |
| 03:32.43 | mjkjr | maybe by time i wake up tomorrow for work it will be done, definately didn't think it was going to turn into an all night thing just to download |
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| 03:35.28 | jhojho | sooo.... with 1.4 and clipcarl's script/prog |
| 03:35.29 | jacques | what would cause my phone to lose charge while supposedly charging on USB? |
| 03:35.43 | jhojho | jacques: i've seen it happen with using the MHS |
| 03:35.53 | bpadalino | jacques: using more than 2.5W |
| 03:35.55 | jhojho | use more power than is charing... |
| 03:36.00 | jhojho | charging that is |
| 03:36.05 | jacques | MHS? |
| 03:36.10 | bpadalino | mobile hot spot |
| 03:36.16 | jacques | I'm not doing anything except running weechat |
| 03:36.16 | Kyusaku | I've seem it happen if WOSQI is running |
| 03:36.37 | jacques | cpufreq is 500000 |
| 03:36.41 | jhojho | with 1.4/clipcarl, phone does not want to go down to 250mhz.. interesting. wonder what palm is changing inside lunasysmgr |
| 03:36.46 | jacques | phone "claims" to be charging |
| 03:37.08 | jhojho | jacques: cpu speed is no matter. i've seen my phone go up as high as 55C with using MHS. |
| 03:37.10 | jhojho | crazy |
| 03:37.42 | jacques | only strange thing is when I plugged it in the first time I accidentally tapped the USB drive button |
| 03:37.45 | Kyusaku | gotta be some kind of background process |
| 03:37.53 | jacques | so I unplugged it and replugged |
| 03:38.05 | jacques | top showd nothing |
| 03:38.07 | jhojho | what's the command for installing an ipk file again? ipkg-opt -o /media/cryptofs/app ? |
| 03:38.22 | Kyusaku | something constantly polling the pre |
| 03:38.28 | Kyusaku | ? |
| 03:39.55 | jacques | hmm, I replugged again (that's why I just quit/rejoined irc) and now charge lvel is going up again - was 51% (was like 85% when I plugged it in) and now it's 53% |
| 03:43.20 | jacques | now 54% |
| 03:44.20 | jacques | considers buying Dungeon Hunter |
| 03:44.42 | jacques | what I really need tho are some time waster games - that I can play for a couple of minutes and put down |
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| 03:44.51 | jacques | like bejewelled |
| 03:44.51 | Sebastian | hello everyone |
| 03:45.04 | bpadalino | so here's an unofficial poll - if work said "Hey, we're looking for volunteers to send to Afghanistan for work - who's on?" - how many people here would say "Sure, why not?" |
| 03:45.09 | Sebastian | I have a question. . .. i can't doctor my pre |
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| 03:45.46 | Eguy | jacques: Get deer hunter |
| 03:45.48 | jacques | rule #1: never volunteer |
| 03:46.11 | Sebastian | i have doctored my pre before. . . but for some reason today when trying to doctor to 1.4 i get the novacomd insllation progress bar and then it says service removed |
| 03:46.15 | bpadalino | Sebastian: hold volume up while plugging in the USB from a powered off pre |
| 03:46.17 | jacques | Eguy: is it in app cat? |
| 03:46.21 | Eguy | Yeah |
| 03:46.34 | Eguy | You shoot turkeys deer and moose |
| 03:46.40 | Sebastian | ok |
| 03:46.47 | Sebastian | seems like the volume up worked |
| 03:47.00 | Sebastian | i just wasn't sure if the "service Removed" message was supposed to appear |
| 03:47.13 | bpadalino | *shrug* |
| 03:47.20 | bpadalino | i've never doctored my pre |
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| 03:47.32 | Sebastian | why not!! |
| 03:47.39 | bpadalino | never needed to i guess |
| 03:47.43 | bpadalino | still on a day 1 install |
| 03:47.59 | Sebastian | i think its a must after u do a lot of patching and what not |
| 03:48.07 | bpadalino | i don't do much patching |
| 03:48.12 | bpadalino | mainly just poking around |
| 03:48.17 | bpadalino | i'm not too much of a developer anyway |
| 03:48.19 | jacques | deer hunter looks interesting |
| 03:48.29 | bpadalino | just kind of a random guy |
| 03:48.39 | Sebastian | u don't have to be a developer to patch the phone |
| 03:48.43 | Sebastian | i am a patch user jejeje |
| 03:48.47 | bpadalino | nice |
| 03:49.28 | Sebastian | yeah deer hunter looks nice |
| 03:49.31 | jhojho | lol calling palm's pubsubservice results in just sleep 10 |
| 03:50.05 | Eguy | I only doctored once and that was because my palm profile was corrupt. |
| 03:51.06 | Sebastian | did anyone buy guitar hero 5? |
| 03:51.24 | mjkjr | jacques, you have air traffic controller? |
| 03:51.44 | jacques | mjkjr: nope, is it good? |
| 03:52.19 | mjkjr | free and somewhat addictive, good time waster |
| 03:53.02 | Sebastian | which one is a good time waster? |
| 03:53.05 | jacques | I'll definitely check it out then |
| 03:53.07 | Sebastian | air traffic controller? |
| 03:53.49 | Eguy | Scrabble is also good to kill time |
| 03:54.05 | Eguy | and X-Plane is the ultimate battery and time killer |
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| 03:54.16 | Sebastian | hahahah yeah i have x plane |
| 03:54.21 | Sebastian | the very first one |
| 03:54.29 | Sebastian | i wish it had more things tho |
| 03:54.33 | Sebastian | i rarely play it now :( |
| 03:54.34 | Eguy | I used it on an airplane once |
| 03:55.00 | Sebastian | i could imagine you making yourself beleive u were the pilot of your plane hahahah |
| 03:55.12 | Eguy | While on a flight, I fired up X-Plane airliner and flew the same plane lol. |
| 03:55.33 | jacques | my favorite from other platforms is mahjongg |
| 03:55.40 | jacques | which I have not seen for webos |
| 03:55.48 | Eguy | I don't understand that game. |
| 03:56.07 | jacques | just the single player matching one - not the real game |
| 03:56.28 | mjkjr | i couldn't figure out mahjongg either, think it was on my centro |
| 03:57.12 | jacques | I meant the bastardized version where you just match tiles to remove them from the board |
| 03:57.22 | Eguy | Bike or Die needs to be ported to webOS. |
| 03:57.43 | bpadalino | ExciteBike |
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| 03:58.01 | Eguy | I loved playing Bike or Die on my Palm OS devices |
| 03:58.45 | Sebastian | has anyone ever played |
| 03:58.52 | Sebastian | ahhh i can't remember the name now |
| 03:58.59 | Sebastian | trials that is it! |
| 03:59.02 | Sebastian | trail |
| 03:59.06 | Sebastian | its a moto cross game |
| 03:59.25 | Sebastian | trail bike pro http://www.miniclip.com/games/trial-bike-pro/en/ |
| 04:01.01 | jacques | something's definitely up with my phone - it's really slow and laggy |
| 04:01.09 | jacques | guess I'll reboot it |
| 04:01.15 | rwhitby | I need to create a new profile |
| 04:01.51 | jacques | ugh, why is root mounted rw ? |
| 04:02.02 | jacques | I didn't do it |
| 04:02.29 | Sebastian | why create a new proble rwhitby? |
| 04:02.49 | mjkjr | is about to pull his hair out, download error after all this wait!?!? |
| 04:03.05 | Eguy | That sucks. |
| 04:04.13 | mjkjr | maybe it's just not meant to be, maybe i'm destined to use windows my whole life. |
| 04:04.23 | rwhitby | Sebastian: my dev profile for my Sprint Pre is stuck in "unknown version" mode for the app catalog |
| 04:04.55 | Sebastian | ohhhhhh |
| 04:05.00 | Sebastian | too much tweaking? jejje |
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| 04:05.59 | mjkjr | probably because of that preware app or aupt, right? =D |
| 04:06.43 | jacques | bak |
| 04:07.16 | Sebastian | rwhitby: What kind of experience do u have with programming? |
| 04:07.44 | Sebastian | i mean i know u are like the WebOS god to us mere mortals. . . |
| 04:07.56 | mjkjr | Eguy, can i just buy ubuntu on a cd somewhere? lol |
| 04:08.01 | Sebastian | What i'd like to know is something like a biography |
| 04:08.04 | rwhitby | Sebastian: 25 years |
| 04:08.16 | Sebastian | mjkjr u can request a free cd off their website |
| 04:08.18 | katz | my icons have all vanished from launcher pages after installing new patches and doing a luna reboot. How do I retrieve them, please..... |
| 04:08.30 | rwhitby | google knows my employment history |
| 04:08.40 | Sebastian | if only i knew your name |
| 04:08.41 | Eguy | rwhitby: Google knows a lot more than that ;) |
| 04:08.47 | mjkjr | and the post in the dev thread at p|c |
| 04:09.07 | Eguy | First born, past lives, past romances, etc. :P |
| 04:09.22 | katz | I have done 2 hard resets and they still are missing... |
| 04:09.34 | Sebastian | can u launch preware? |
| 04:09.42 | katz | no |
| 04:10.05 | Sebastian | i would try connecting it to the computer with webos quick install |
| 04:10.09 | Sebastian | and see if u can remove the patch from there |
| 04:10.11 | katz | no icons whatsoever |
| 04:10.27 | katz | ok |
| 04:10.31 | katz | will try |
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| 04:11.23 | Sebastian | http://www.rwhitby.net/ found ur webpage |
| 04:11.36 | halfhalo | Great detective work there! |
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| 04:11.55 | rwhitby | oh, noes. I thought I'd hidden that well. |
| 04:12.07 | dBsooner | lol |
| 04:12.16 | dBsooner | ~rwhitby |
| 04:12.17 | infobot | i heard rwhitby is the owner of the nslu2-linux mailing list and IRC channel. He tries to provide some order to the burgeoning development around the NSLU2. You can find his website at http://www.rwhitby.net (where in particular, you will find information on Serial Port modifications for the Linksys WRT54G and NSLU2 devices). an honorary WHE |
| 04:12.30 | dBsooner | It's been pretty well known for a while.. ^^ |
| 04:12.45 | rwhitby | ~botslap |
| 04:12.46 | infobot | Hey what was that for, rwhitby? |
| 04:12.51 | dBsooner | ROFL |
| 04:12.59 | mjkjr | ~WHE |
| 04:13.00 | infobot | somebody said whe was a WebOS Hacker Extraordinaire, which is what Joshua Topolsky called zsoc after he typed "make" one time... |
| 04:13.00 | rwhitby | infobot: for giving away my secrets |
| 04:13.17 | Eguy | LOL |
| 04:13.33 | Eguy | Jtops is the nerdiest looking human ever made. |
| 04:14.12 | dBsooner | I heard JSTop is pronounced "Jays Top" |
| 04:14.21 | dBsooner | JTops reminded me of that |
| 04:15.00 | Sebastian | very interesting read |
| 04:15.15 | mjkjr | and 9 out of 10 pronounce it as Jay Stop |
| 04:15.34 | rwhitby | bah, gonna have to meta-doctor cdma-pre to get a new profile |
| 04:15.38 | Eguy | Jess top |
| 04:15.42 | halfhalo | Awwww |
| 04:15.55 | halfhalo | Somtimes I doctor just because I can |
| 04:15.59 | halfhalo | :p |
| 04:16.05 | dBsooner | i was in the sprint store today |
| 04:16.10 | dBsooner | and had to help THEM |
| 04:16.13 | dBsooner | fix someones pre |
| 04:16.15 | halfhalo | My sprint store SUCKS |
| 04:16.17 | dBsooner | I just cried. |
| 04:16.22 | halfhalo | They never answer the phone |
| 04:16.29 | dBsooner | She was like.. "It won't activate.. the "EV" icon isn't showing up." |
| 04:16.37 | Eguy | LOL |
| 04:16.39 | halfhalo | although I can walk in and swap out pre's no question asked |
| 04:16.40 | dBsooner | I said, ##RTN# it |
| 04:16.47 | dBsooner | she said "WE can't" |
| 04:16.53 | dBsooner | I said, then give it to me.. I will. |
| 04:16.58 | dBsooner | so i did. |
| 04:17.01 | dBsooner | and fixed it |
| 04:17.02 | dBsooner | :) |
| 04:17.04 | Sebastian | well done! |
| 04:17.06 | halfhalo | nice |
| 04:17.13 | Sebastian | *applauses* |
| 04:17.14 | mjkjr | lmao, i love it, you'd think a rep would go through some sort of training |
| 04:17.15 | halfhalo | I don't trust them with my phone |
| 04:17.16 | Eguy | You should have asked for the manager |
| 04:17.26 | dBsooner | I would have |
| 04:17.37 | Sebastian | i should go to a sprint store and demand a job |
| 04:17.39 | mjkjr | ....but it was the manager |
| 04:17.39 | dBsooner | except its a non-corporate store. and I am good friends with the President/Owner |
| 04:17.42 | halfhalo | Heh |
| 04:17.53 | dBsooner | I was actually there talking to him about a job. |
| 04:17.54 | Sebastian | Title: Webos Specialist |
| 04:17.58 | halfhalo | One of my cousins does call in store support |
| 04:18.11 | halfhalo | for sprint |
| 04:18.13 | Ihazspintpr35 | hey I just installed openssh from preware but would like to set it up so that it uses passwords instead of rsa keys, could someone please point me in the right direction? |
| 04:18.24 | halfhalo | her sister and my other cousin does it for verizon |
| 04:18.37 | rwhitby | Ihazspintpr35: /etc/event.d/mobi.optware.openssh |
| 04:18.40 | Eguy | halfhalo: Do you like Trillian? |
| 04:18.47 | dBsooner | I'll pay someone $20 to go through my Facebook News feed and "HIDE" all the Application spam |
| 04:18.50 | halfhalo | yes |
| 04:18.56 | halfhalo | I luvs trillian |
| 04:19.01 | Eguy | It's awesome |
| 04:19.02 | halfhalo | hugs trillian |
| 04:19.02 | Sebastian | hahahhahahahahahahhahahahahhaha |
| 04:19.07 | dBsooner | trillian is me fav |
| 04:19.15 | halfhalo | Well, I will say this |
| 04:19.18 | halfhalo | Adium is better |
| 04:19.20 | Eguy | I've been using since the first beta version |
| 04:19.23 | mjkjr | dBsooner, I'll do it for 10 |
| 04:19.36 | halfhalo | I'll do it for a cookie |
| 04:19.36 | Sebastian | RoD: Do you know all of this stuff by heart ? |
| 04:19.45 | dBsooner | mjkjr: You sure? I have 500+ friends |
| 04:19.51 | dBsooner | so Its a LOT of app spam |
| 04:19.56 | Eguy | Lick it for 10 |
| 04:20.00 | mjkjr | is having second thoughts |
| 04:20.04 | rwhitby | Sebastian: since I wrote a lot of it, yes. |
| 04:20.11 | dBsooner | rwhitby: don't lie |
| 04:20.14 | halfhalo | would do it for a cookie still |
| 04:20.21 | Sebastian | the questions is whether or not you are sure to provide him with your login credentials |
| 04:20.23 | halfhalo | liar liar pants on fire! |
| 04:20.37 | dBsooner | rwhitby: tell the truth.. you wrote ALL of it |
| 04:20.41 | jacques | dBsooner: what's that about ##RTN# fixing a non-activating phone? |
| 04:20.50 | dBsooner | jacques: it does |
| 04:20.57 | rwhitby | dBsooner: why would I start an open source project if I wanted to write stuff myself ? |
| 04:20.58 | jacques | dBsooner: I thought ##RTN# just showed some info about the device |
| 04:20.58 | dBsooner | jacques: If the EV icon doesn't show up |
| 04:20.58 | Sebastian | rwhirby: very interesting. . . for some reason i like programing i am currently taking java data structures but i hate it. . . do u have any tips? |
| 04:21.01 | dBsooner | ##RTN# it |
| 04:21.15 | rwhitby | Sebastian: learn C |
| 04:21.23 | dBsooner | jacques: RTN = RETURN to manuf |
| 04:21.23 | halfhalo | ewwww |
| 04:21.23 | egaudet | i was about to say the same thing |
| 04:21.25 | jacques | dBsooner: that's if the phone fails to activate? |
| 04:21.26 | dBsooner | its how to hard rewrite |
| 04:21.29 | halfhalo | still better than asm |
| 04:21.34 | dBsooner | you can also ##MSL# it |
| 04:21.46 | dBsooner | which would mean reprogram MDN and MEID (MSID) |
| 04:21.56 | dBsooner | rwhitby: Again, I said.. you wrote ALL of it |
| 04:22.07 | Sebastian | rwhitby: is C easier? what is different? |
| 04:22.14 | halfhalo | I'm taking both Java Advanced Data Structures and ASM/Binary programming this year in College |
| 04:22.20 | halfhalo | Their a pain |
| 04:22.24 | Sebastian | dbsooner thats why he said he did an open soruce |
| 04:22.26 | Sebastian | source |
| 04:22.28 | dBsooner | jacques: Yes. usually it fails OTA activation because the MEID is wrong.. you still ahve to have the ESN on an active account |
| 04:22.31 | Sebastian | because he is borrowing some code as well |
| 04:22.37 | Sebastian | so he didn't write all of it |
| 04:22.43 | dBsooner | nope, rwhitby = god |
| 04:22.46 | dBsooner | he wrote all |
| 04:22.53 | halfhalo | true |
| 04:22.57 | dBsooner | the other people just read his mind |
| 04:23.03 | halfhalo | lol |
| 04:23.04 | Sebastian | hahahah |
| 04:23.05 | dBsooner | or he telepathically told them |
| 04:23.19 | Sebastian | halfhalo. . .. how hard is java for you? |
| 04:23.24 | halfhalo | not that hard |
| 04:23.26 | Eguy | rwhitby telepathically ssh's into his pre. |
| 04:23.34 | halfhalo | Really really really easy |
| 04:23.48 | Sebastian | sometimes i look at code prewritten on the book |
| 04:23.49 | halfhalo | rails is much, much better though |
| 04:23.59 | Sebastian | and think to myself i could never come up with something like this on my own |
| 04:23.59 | egaudet | learn C and the rest follows |
| 04:24.06 | Sebastian | as in start from scratch |
| 04:24.19 | rwhitby | learn C and you'll then know how stupid garbage collection is |
| 04:24.21 | halfhalo | I dabbled in C++ for a while |
| 04:24.26 | halfhalo | not a fan |
| 04:24.46 | halfhalo | but then again, I dabbled at least 5 years ago |
| 04:25.16 | Sebastian | i wish i had tons of time in my hands to practice programming |
| 04:25.26 | jacques | C++ sucks. C rocks. |
| 04:25.34 | Eguy | C- is where it's at. |
| 04:25.37 | dBsooner | lol |
| 04:25.39 | Sebastian | isn't C++ based on C? |
| 04:25.39 | halfhalo | I don't think I have any C books |
| 04:25.45 | dBsooner | garbage collection = essential |
| 04:25.49 | PuffTheMagic_ | hell no |
| 04:25.50 | halfhalo | only C# and C++ |
| 04:26.01 | PuffTheMagic_ | LISP ftw! |
| 04:26.06 | halfhalo | PHP FTW |
| 04:26.08 | egaudet | garbage collection = essential for newbs! |
| 04:26.10 | Eguy | PuffTheMagic_ heard the C words |
| 04:26.31 | Sebastian | is anyone here logged on from their pre? |
| 04:26.31 | PuffTheMagic_ | Eguy: no i saw # ++ |
| 04:26.32 | egaudet | what fun is programming without memleaks |
| 04:26.42 | halfhalo | It makes life interesting! |
| 04:26.54 | Eguy | Luna has 200mb worth of mem leaks! |
| 04:27.01 | halfhalo | "Hmmm. Why is my little loop using a bagillion ram?" |
| 04:27.25 | egaudet | no it doesn't |
| 04:27.26 | dBsooner | Luna has ~ worth of mem leaks |
| 04:27.37 | dBsooner | I use ~ because there is no infinite symbol |
| 04:27.40 | jhojho | where is the ipkg database file kept? |
| 04:27.54 | dBsooner | . /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/lib/ipkg |
| 04:28.04 | Sebastian | lol |
| 04:28.07 | Eguy | lol |
| 04:28.15 | Sebastian | is luna that bad? |
| 04:28.18 | dBsooner | yes |
| 04:28.20 | halfhalo | yes |
| 04:28.22 | dBsooner | Power hungry whore |
| 04:28.27 | halfhalo | Who, me? |
| 04:28.33 | dBsooner | no, rwhitby. |
| 04:28.34 | halfhalo | :p |
| 04:28.36 | jacques | how can luna have mem leaks? isn't it in a GC lang? |
| 04:28.42 | dBsooner | just got himself in trouble. |
| 04:28.46 | Sebastian | what is gc? |
| 04:28.51 | egaudet | we can't know how many mem leaks luna has |
| 04:28.51 | halfhalo | is laughing at dBsooner |
| 04:29.02 | halfhalo | Garbage Collecting |
| 04:29.04 | jacques | doesn't GC and HL make that impossible? |
| 04:29.11 | halfhalo | I like Half Life |
| 04:29.14 | Sebastian | and what is hl? |
| 04:29.26 | dBsooner | Luna has a name that implies memhog |
| 04:30.24 | jacques | doesn't luna use smart pointers too? |
| 04:30.50 | halfhalo | smart pointers does not make luna smart |
| 04:30.55 | halfhalo | its still dumb |
| 04:30.56 | dBsooner | Anyone know if you can use an 1g or 2g iPhone as an iPod only? |
| 04:31.04 | jacques | I guess there are no pointers in java ? |
| 04:31.04 | dBsooner | no service.. just as an iPod. |
| 04:31.04 | Eguy | nice dBsooner. |
| 04:31.15 | egaudet | luna isn't java |
| 04:31.25 | dBsooner | luna is c? |
| 04:31.29 | halfhalo | I think you can if its JB dBsooner |
| 04:31.47 | egaudet | luna is a big bohemoth of C (and C++ I think) |
| 04:31.49 | dBsooner | Yeah, I can't remember if you can or can't.. I am the resident cell phone junkie here. |
| 04:32.00 | dBsooner | and being asked. |
| 04:32.03 | halfhalo | google it |
| 04:32.08 | dBsooner | google lies |
| 04:32.12 | Sebastian | then |
| 04:32.13 | Sebastian | bing it! |
| 04:32.14 | halfhalo | I get asked crap all the time about notebooks |
| 04:32.19 | halfhalo | I just googl eit all |
| 04:32.25 | dBsooner | bing is worse.. it doesn't tell you its lying. |
| 04:32.29 | halfhalo | meh |
| 04:32.30 | egaudet | if google lies then I'm a very poorly informed person |
| 04:32.40 | halfhalo | bing is set as firefox's default engine right now |
| 04:32.42 | egaudet | because I've believed every word google has told me for 5 years! |
| 04:32.47 | halfhalo | not pissed off enough to change it yet |
| 04:32.57 | dBsooner | I believe Wikipedia |
| 04:33.01 | halfhalo | HA |
| 04:33.02 | dBsooner | word for word. |
| 04:33.06 | egaudet | why wouldn't you blieve wikipedia |
| 04:33.07 | dBsooner | and WrongDiagnosis.com |
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| 04:33.34 | Eguy | encyclopediadramatica.com is to be believed completely. |
| 04:33.41 | jacques | dBsooner: so I have a pixi which is not activating. how do I do this ##RTN# thing? |
| 04:33.41 | halfhalo | yes |
| 04:33.54 | halfhalo | Holycrap |
| 04:33.56 | Eguy | jacques: In the phone app. |
| 04:34.05 | halfhalo | computer with 40 ssd's in a raid array |
| 04:34.07 | Sebastian | the phone is not activated! |
| 04:34.16 | egaudet | ? |
| 04:34.24 | jacques | Eguy: how do I get to the phone app in a non-activated phone? |
| 04:34.27 | egaudet | you can make an "emergency call" |
| 04:34.43 | egaudet | just hit a keyboard key |
| 04:34.44 | Sebastian | i don't think it takes the code like that |
| 04:34.48 | egaudet | it does |
| 04:34.53 | egaudet | I've been in the situation |
| 04:35.02 | Sebastian | ohh |
| 04:35.07 | jacques | OK once it gets through its 5 tries and fails - I do "Tap to place call" ? |
| 04:35.10 | dBsooner | jacques: does it have the EV icon? |
| 04:35.17 | jacques | dBsooner: nope |
| 04:35.21 | dBsooner | jacques: ok |
| 04:35.28 | dBsooner | is it at the "english" screen? |
| 04:35.33 | dBsooner | lang selection? |
| 04:35.33 | egaudet | jacques, no once you do ##RTN# it pops up |
| 04:35.36 | egaudet | on the phone app |
| 04:35.41 | egaudet | not really RTN, but the numbers |
| 04:35.42 | dBsooner | no wait.. |
| 04:35.46 | dBsooner | shh |
| 04:35.55 | Sebastian | shhh dbsooner is thinking |
| 04:36.07 | Eguy | Wait wait. jacques: Why do you have a pixi to begin with? |
| 04:36.18 | halfhalo | yeah |
| 04:36.20 | halfhalo | traitor |
| 04:36.22 | jacques | dBsooner: I already confirmed english and it tried to activate - on try 5 of 5 now |
| 04:36.23 | dBsooner | go back to main screen.. where you have options to to select something.. probably the screen that lets you select "Sign into current profile" or "new profile" |
| 04:36.33 | jacques | then it will fail and show a HEX MEID |
| 04:36.40 | dBsooner | what is the HEX MEID? |
| 04:36.43 | dBsooner | is it right? |
| 04:37.03 | jacques | it matches what's under the battery at least |
| 04:37.08 | dBsooner | oh well .. regardless |
| 04:37.21 | dBsooner | instead of tapping "sign in" or "create new" |
| 04:37.26 | jacques | dBsooner: I've never seen a "sign into profile" on this phone |
| 04:37.32 | dBsooner | just hold down Orange key and hit "##" |
| 04:37.34 | egaudet | place a call |
| 04:37.39 | dBsooner | no. |
| 04:37.39 | jacques | first thing it does after lang is tries to activate itself |
| 04:37.41 | dBsooner | don't press place call |
| 04:37.53 | jacques | OK it failed |
| 04:37.53 | egaudet | dBsooner, he could have |
| 04:37.54 | egaudet | doesn't matter |
| 04:38.05 | egaudet | just get the stupid phone app up |
| 04:38.06 | dBsooner | just hit "ORANGE+#+#" |
| 04:38.06 | jacques | now what? |
| 04:38.10 | dBsooner | that sould pop up the dialer |
| 04:38.39 | jacques | OK it popped up |
| 04:38.47 | dBsooner | if you hit "place a call" it just gives you an option for "call customer service/call emergency/cancel" |
| 04:38.49 | jacques | (no orange on pixi BTW ;-) |
| 04:38.55 | dBsooner | yeah, its grey/white |
| 04:39.01 | dBsooner | now hit 786 # |
| 04:39.02 | egaudet | dBsooner, so what call emergency brings up the phone app |
| 04:39.11 | dBsooner | egaudet: and dials automatically |
| 04:39.14 | egaudet | says who |
| 04:39.17 | dBsooner | me |
| 04:39.21 | dBsooner | I have done it a bunch |
| 04:39.24 | egaudet | lies |
| 04:39.31 | dBsooner | dude.. I work at a sprint store |
| 04:39.34 | egaudet | so |
| 04:39.37 | dBsooner | lol |
| 04:39.44 | jacques | dBsooner: OK it went to "reverse logistics support" page |
| 04:39.46 | egaudet | sprint has nothing to do with the firstuse app |
| 04:39.52 | dBsooner | jacques: scroll to bottom |
| 04:40.00 | dBsooner | egaudet: but supporting the device does |
| 04:40.05 | Sebastian | it doesn't dial atutomatically when the phone is activated and on the lock screen. . . i think i does before the activation |
| 04:40.08 | dBsooner | jacques: should see a "reset" |
| 04:40.21 | dBsooner | Sebastian: correct. |
| 04:40.23 | jacques | dBsooner: OK scrolled to bottom |
| 04:40.29 | jacques | see reset |
| 04:40.31 | dBsooner | jacques: is there a "RESET" option |
| 04:40.32 | dBsooner | hit that |
| 04:40.37 | jacques | `k |
| 04:40.41 | dBsooner | should ask for MSL |
| 04:40.45 | dBsooner | Master Subsidy Lock |
| 04:40.51 | dBsooner | spell checkj |
| 04:40.56 | egaudet | master stupid lock |
| 04:40.59 | dBsooner | lol |
| 04:41.01 | dBsooner | close enough |
| 04:41.02 | halfhalo | lol |
| 04:41.09 | jacques | yeah it's asking for MSL |
| 04:41.14 | dBsooner | jacques: call sprint |
| 04:41.15 | dBsooner | get it |
| 04:41.21 | dBsooner | 6 digit code |
| 04:41.21 | jacques | argh |
| 04:41.21 | Eguy | or you can get it online |
| 04:41.24 | egaudet | #2... "yeah hi what's my msl"... "thanks, bye" |
| 04:41.31 | dBsooner | yeah |
| 04:41.31 | jacques | but but |
| 04:41.34 | Eguy | by "upgrading" phones |
| 04:41.37 | dBsooner | jacques: you must |
| 04:41.40 | jacques | this phone belongs to palm |
| 04:41.46 | dBsooner | rofl |
| 04:41.55 | mjkjr | lol |
| 04:41.58 | jacques | how will I explain how I came into possession of it? |
| 04:41.58 | halfhalo | lol |
| 04:41.59 | dBsooner | jacques: Where did you get that? |
| 04:42.08 | halfhalo | internet |
| 04:42.11 | Eguy | He obviously stoled it. |
| 04:42.14 | jacques | palm donated it - it would not activate so we didn't give it away |
| 04:42.16 | dBsooner | jacques: no wonder it won't activate.. it has to be ACTIVE on an account |
| 04:42.28 | jacques | the other three phones they donated activated fine |
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| 04:42.41 | dBsooner | regardless.. call sprint |
| 04:42.42 | jacques | they are all supposed to have 3 months of service |
| 04:42.43 | dBsooner | get msl |
| 04:42.56 | jacques | call sprint on this phone ? |
| 04:43.02 | egaudet | get your SN first |
| 04:43.08 | dBsooner | yeah |
| 04:43.47 | Sebastian | i have a qeuestion |
| 04:43.58 | Sebastian | my wifi is not working properly |
| 04:44.00 | Eguy | we don't have an answer |
| 04:44.00 | halfhalo | orly |
| 04:44.19 | dBsooner | Sebastian: get a new router |
| 04:44.20 | Sebastian | It turns on and connects and eveything but has a veryyyy veryyy lousy range |
| 04:44.28 | Sebastian | its not the router |
| 04:44.32 | dBsooner | lies |
| 04:44.36 | Sebastian | on any wifi spot it won't work |
| 04:44.38 | halfhalo | i agree with lies |
| 04:44.41 | Eguy | Sebastian: You need to put it on the ground. |
| 04:44.42 | Sebastian | laptops work fine |
| 04:44.45 | Eguy | and then take a car |
| 04:44.45 | dBsooner | bad phone |
| 04:44.49 | Eguy | go back and forth. |
| 04:44.52 | rwhitby | phew - back to 1627 apps with a new profile on cdma-pre |
| 04:44.53 | dBsooner | hold i tby your elbow |
| 04:44.54 | halfhalo | bad robot? |
| 04:44.56 | dBsooner | and hold your arm inthe air |
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| 04:45.13 | dBsooner | rwhitby: you have 1627 apps installed? |
| 04:45.14 | Sebastian | dbsooner |
| 04:45.24 | egaudet | rwhitby, WHAT |
| 04:45.27 | Sebastian | do u think sprint will exchange my phone if i take it in for repairs? |
| 04:45.27 | rwhitby | dBsooner: no, 1627 apps available |
| 04:45.30 | mjkjr | available? |
| 04:45.31 | dBsooner | ahh |
| 04:45.33 | Eguy | dBsooner: He hacked the app catalog to give him free apps. |
| 04:45.37 | dBsooner | nice |
| 04:45.41 | halfhalo | lol |
| 04:45.52 | dBsooner | They pay ME to install them. |
| 04:45.53 | dBsooner | :D |
| 04:46.07 | rwhitby | I have bought a total of 5 apps, and paid $6 per month to Visa Debit Cards for the privilege |
| 04:46.09 | halfhalo | and they pay me to not break into their offices |
| 04:46.21 | halfhalo | I have quite a few apps |
| 04:46.25 | Eguy | I think I have bought 5 apps also |
| 04:46.30 | jacques | I dunno about this. I can see what's going to happen. I call sprint, they ask my name, then screw up my personal account |
| 04:46.32 | Eguy | I am unsure |
| 04:46.33 | halfhalo | favorite has to be newsroom though |
| 04:46.35 | Sebastian | where do u currently live rwhirby? |
| 04:46.41 | FuMan | powernap, deal alert, glad thats not me, Lets Golf... |
| 04:46.44 | egaudet | jacques, they don't touch anything |
| 04:46.49 | egaudet | they take your SN and give you your MSL |
| 04:46.51 | rwhitby | Sebastian: why am I concerned that you are a stalker ... |
| 04:46.52 | Eguy | I like Feeds better than newsroom |
| 04:47.00 | egaudet | nothing done on their end just say "give me my msl" |
| 04:47.07 | mjkjr | ha ha ha ha |
| 04:47.10 | Sebastian | oh not its just because u use visa debit cards |
| 04:47.15 | Sebastian | and pay 6 a month |
| 04:47.18 | egaudet | or make sure they know you know what you are talking about and ask for "master subsidy lock" |
| 04:47.23 | Sebastian | which imlies u are outside the us |
| 04:47.25 | Sebastian | usa |
| 04:47.39 | Sebastian | implies* |
| 04:47.50 | Eguy | Sebastian: rwhitby is from Mars. |
| 04:47.56 | Mitalis | Man I am totally digging this facebook update |
| 04:48.01 | halfhalo | Not venus? |
| 04:48.02 | oil | i thought rwhitby was in ohio? |
| 04:48.15 | Eguy | oil: Nah that is Jesus. |
| 04:48.16 | mjkjr | sebastian, you're like a CSI or something, lol. |
| 04:48.19 | halfhalo | they have internet in ohio? |
| 04:48.28 | Sebastian | hahah |
| 04:48.28 | Mitalis | rofl halfhalo |
| 04:48.49 | Eguy | They have a lot of fat people in Ohio |
| 04:49.08 | Mitalis | You haven't been to Texas have you? |
| 04:49.08 | Sebastian | how do u guys send messages directed to me? |
| 04:49.10 | halfhalo | they have to hibernate during the winter! |
| 04:49.10 | rwhitby | ~google "rwhitby live in" |
| 04:49.11 | Sebastian | what is the format? |
| 04:49.14 | Mitalis | you wanna see fat? Dear god.. |
| 04:49.22 | rwhitby | ~botslap |
| 04:49.23 | infobot | ACTION cowers away from rwhitby |
| 04:49.31 | mjkjr | i think there are a lot of fat people everywhere |
| 04:49.53 | Eguy | Mitalis: Many times |
| 04:50.06 | Eguy | You are correct. Texas has the fattest cities in the world. |
| 04:50.16 | Eguy | But Ohio has some very large people. |
| 04:50.28 | Eguy | Just look at the food in Texas though. Dear God. |
| 04:50.29 | mjkjr | rwhitby, maybe you should take it easy on infobot, lol |
| 04:50.37 | Eguy | ~~~~~ |
| 04:50.38 | infobot | grrrr |
| 04:50.41 | halfhalo | ha |
| 04:50.45 | mjkjr | ~hug rwhitby |
| 04:50.45 | infobot | ACTION hugs rwhitby tightly until rwhitby turns slightly blue |
| 04:50.51 | rwhitby | ~botsnack |
| 04:50.51 | infobot | aw, gee, rwhitby |
| 04:50.58 | halfhalo | lol |
| 04:51.18 | Eguy | ~lick halfhalo |
| 04:51.19 | infobot | ACTION licks halfhalo *SHLUUURRRRPPP* |
| 04:51.26 | halfhalo | WOW |
| 04:51.31 | egaudet | ~kungfu infobot |
| 04:51.47 | mjkjr | i found out infobot knows spanish, told him thank you, he aswered de nada |
| 04:51.49 | Sebastian | does anyone here have teh exetnded battery ? |
| 04:51.53 | Sebastian | 1400mha |
| 04:51.57 | Eguy | ~gender |
| 04:51.58 | infobot | I'm female |
| 04:51.59 | halfhalo | grabs knife and runs while screaming at Eguy |
| 04:52.08 | egaudet | ~height |
| 04:52.12 | halfhalo | Sebastian: Mines shipping out tomorrow |
| 04:52.21 | Eguy | Sebastian: I have the 1350mah battery. It doesn't add any extra life. |
| 04:52.24 | mjkjr | ~ASL |
| 04:52.25 | infobot | Old enough, yes please, my place. |
| 04:52.34 | Sebastian | how much did u guys pay? |
| 04:52.39 | halfhalo | 31 |
| 04:52.41 | Sebastian | i need anything bigger than the current one |
| 04:52.43 | halfhalo | shupped |
| 04:52.45 | Sebastian | and a new battery as it is |
| 04:52.55 | Sebastian | i charge my phone at least 3 times a day hahaha |
| 04:52.59 | Eguy | ~lart halfhalo |
| 04:52.59 | infobot | turns halfhalo into a lifesized tux doll |
| 04:53.01 | *** join/#webos-internals xaiki (~user@mx.fr.smartjog.net) |
| 04:53.11 | halfhalo | well then |
| 04:53.20 | halfhalo | I'm a doll apparently |
| 04:53.48 | oil | i just charge at night |
| 04:53.57 | halfhalo | I charge twice a day |
| 04:54.13 | Eguy | My pre is always on the Touchstone |
| 04:54.15 | halfhalo | but newsroom, twee, friendsflow, and 5 chat accounts are always open |
| 04:54.16 | *** join/#webos-internals sepisultrum (~sepiultru@hcl-club.lu) |
| 04:54.23 | Eguy | s/touchstone/puck/ |
| 04:54.32 | Sebastian | holy cow why 5 chat accounts? |
| 04:54.39 | halfhalo | wait |
| 04:54.40 | halfhalo | 6 |
| 04:54.45 | halfhalo | 4 gchat |
| 04:54.47 | halfhalo | 2 aim |
| 04:54.50 | halfhalo | oh |
| 04:54.53 | halfhalo | and a yahoo |
| 04:54.59 | Eguy | O_o |
| 04:55.01 | mjkjr | must have a lot of friends |
| 04:55.03 | Sebastian | but why 4 diffferent gchat? |
| 04:55.07 | oil | too many |
| 04:55.11 | halfhalo | two for google apps |
| 04:55.12 | egaudet | goodness |
| 04:55.13 | rwhitby | Anyone alpha testing Preware 0.9.29 ? |
| 04:55.14 | halfhalo | one for school |
| 04:55.21 | halfhalo | one regular gmail |
| 04:55.26 | egaudet | what's it got |
| 04:55.32 | Sebastian | do u do over the air technical suppport or something? |
| 04:55.34 | Eguy | Or he stalks women and they keep blocking his various accounts. |
| 04:55.42 | halfhalo | No |
| 04:55.49 | halfhalo | But I'm a forum mod for a large forum |
| 04:55.53 | rwhitby | egaudet: search over descriptions, and lots of good bug fixes |
| 04:55.55 | *** join/#webos-internals Rocky2 (~421b17b5@gateway/web/freenode/x-evzuyechsyaqsfpa) |
| 04:55.58 | oil | lol |
| 04:56.02 | Eguy | 4chan? |
| 04:56.09 | halfhalo | notebookreview |
| 04:56.33 | Sebastian | ohhhh interesting |
| 04:56.36 | oil | and the next version will have feed addition+deletion :) |
| 04:56.41 | oil | or rather |
| 04:56.44 | oil | the release of this version |
| 04:56.48 | dBsooner | lies! |
| 04:56.50 | Rocky2 | Does anyone know how to restore the original bookmarks? My browser formatted on me. :( |
| 04:56.52 | Eguy | as long as you don't break it oil |
| 04:56.55 | dBsooner | I hav ebeen waiting on feed management for months |
| 04:57.01 | oil | knows rwhitby will add it to the service :) |
| 04:57.08 | egaudet | what was the "update all app catalog problem" |
| 04:57.29 | oil | it was that they weren't skipped |
| 04:57.33 | oil | i think |
| 04:57.40 | oil | well, i made it ignore them |
| 04:58.21 | halfhalo | why is it I'm so productive while watching kitchen knightmares? |
| 04:58.29 | egaudet | luna manager in app menu? nice |
| 04:58.35 | oil | lol |
| 04:58.38 | oil | it was one scene |
| 04:58.44 | rwhitby | oh yeah, forgot about that :-) |
| 04:58.58 | oil | and used the ipkgmanager to do the stuff |
| 04:59.01 | oil | so i figured why not |
| 04:59.01 | FuMan | id like luna manager in the menu |
| 04:59.08 | FuMan | with the option to disable the prompt |
| 04:59.10 | oil | its in there |
| 04:59.11 | FuMan | after every patch |
| 04:59.14 | rwhitby | FuMan: your wish is granted |
| 04:59.18 | FuMan | 2 parter. |
| 04:59.21 | rwhitby | (except for the option) |
| 04:59.25 | psykoz | http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/03/more-blackberry-slider-pics-appear-is-this-the-next-bold/ hehe, way to go Palm |
| 04:59.35 | Eguy | Gordon Ramsay is awesome |
| 04:59.35 | halfhalo | lol |
| 04:59.36 | FuMan | well, im in for a half and half O_o |
| 04:59.39 | halfhalo | yes he is |
| 04:59.44 | oil | we could add that option, someone add it to the trac |
| 04:59.54 | FuMan | its just a bummer |
| 04:59.57 | FuMan | that there was like a month |
| 05:00.03 | FuMan | when the "view" prompt was killed |
| 05:00.11 | FuMan | before the "luna" prompt was introduced |
| 05:00.15 | psykoz | I wish I had an IM on/off in the app drop down |
| 05:00.21 | oil | an option for always ask, always skip, always restart |
| 05:00.23 | halfhalo | same |
| 05:00.30 | psykoz | I hate having to go into messaging -> buddies -> turn off IM |
| 05:00.50 | FuMan | i wish IM could have individual accounts |
| 05:00.55 | FuMan | id like to idle gmail, and not aim O)o |
| 05:00.58 | halfhalo | I wish I could tell what accounts were signed in and not |
| 05:01.03 | FuMan | although |
| 05:01.08 | FuMan | my batter would be even more dogcrap |
| 05:01.12 | FuMan | so, probably for the best its not an option |
| 05:01.23 | Eguy | IM on the Pre is horrible |
| 05:01.34 | Eguy | Palm should have made a separate app |
| 05:01.38 | mjkjr | why? |
| 05:01.55 | FuMan | but... but... synergy synergy synergy |
| 05:01.57 | Eguy | So that it doesn't suck ;) |
| 05:02.05 | FuMan | heh, not having a default f-ing contact number, is suck. |
| 05:02.12 | Eguy | and destroy the battery. |
| 05:02.19 | oil | just use wirc |
| 05:02.24 | halfhalo | EFFORT |
| 05:02.30 | oil | well, not the one with the handwarmer code |
| 05:02.35 | Sebastian | is wirc out of alpha? |
| 05:02.41 | halfhalo | meh |
| 05:02.41 | oil | lol, no |
| 05:02.42 | Sebastian | or betha |
| 05:02.43 | Eguy | wirc can't do MSN and AIM |
| 05:02.47 | oil | its pretty stable though |
| 05:02.59 | psykoz | but bitlbee can ;) |
| 05:03.02 | Eguy | Pretty darn stable |
| 05:03.04 | halfhalo | it only crashes ONCE an hour! |
| 05:03.06 | oil | gonna have a new release soonish |
| 05:03.11 | oil | no, itl last all day |
| 05:03.12 | FuMan | didnt hope do wirc also? |
| 05:03.13 | mjkjr | i'd say more than stable IMO |
| 05:03.17 | psykoz | I'm an irssi+irc+bitlbee guy |
| 05:03.19 | halfhalo | yeah |
| 05:03.21 | Eguy | What's wrong with the current release? |
| 05:03.25 | halfhalo | Its only crashed once on me |
| 05:03.28 | Eguy | Trillian FTW :D |
| 05:03.39 | FuMan | Pidgin |
| 05:03.39 | oil | nothing is wrong with it |
| 05:03.40 | FuMan | or Adium |
| 05:03.41 | rwhitby | egaudet: So, 0.9.29 works? |
| 05:03.43 | halfhalo | trillian |
| 05:03.45 | FuMan | depending on the computer O_o |
| 05:03.46 | Eguy | Adium is lame |
| 05:03.49 | oil | its the code in git thats got bad code |
| 05:03.52 | halfhalo | OH SNAP |
| 05:04.05 | Eguy | Too unstable |
| 05:04.05 | FuMan | you're lame :> |
| 05:04.18 | FuMan | really? i dont think ive had a crash in a year and a half |
| 05:04.19 | halfhalo | Trillian and Adium are tied |
| 05:04.27 | mjkjr | I've never had any issues or crashes with wirc |
| 05:04.27 | FuMan | but, i only use on protocol, sometimes two |
| 05:04.36 | halfhalo | I have many protocols |
| 05:04.45 | egaudet | haven't installed it yet rwhitby adding test feed to dev pre now |
| 05:04.45 | Eguy | I use 6 protocols on trillian, never a crash. |
| 05:05.07 | oil | dev pre? |
| 05:05.08 | oil | wtf? |
| 05:05.12 | oil | xD |
| 05:05.18 | halfhalo | ? |
| 05:05.21 | halfhalo | I'm lost |
| 05:05.27 | halfhalo | not a rare occurance though. |
| 05:05.32 | Eguy | egaudet stoled some pre's from palm HQ |
| 05:06.00 | egaudet | borrowed* |
| 05:06.02 | mjkjr | can't find his phone anywhere, no home phone to call it from lol |
| 05:06.04 | halfhalo | So THATS why that locked drawer was empty! |
| 05:06.13 | Sebastian | whats the number |
| 05:06.18 | Sebastian | i am sure somoene here will call :D |
| 05:06.23 | Eguy | 555-5555 |
| 05:06.26 | halfhalo | HEY |
| 05:06.29 | halfhalo | THATS MY NUMBER |
| 05:06.32 | Eguy | You will have to guess the area code :P |
| 05:06.36 | halfhalo | 555? |
| 05:06.40 | Eguy | Nope |
| 05:06.47 | halfhalo | 1? |
| 05:06.48 | egaudet | 911 |
| 05:06.55 | Sebastian | lies! that is the phone number for the cab company on grand theft auto $! |
| 05:06.57 | Sebastian | 4! |
| 05:07.16 | Eguy | Accidentias? 222-2222 |
| 05:07.31 | Eguy | Anyone in LA will understand that. |
| 05:07.35 | *** join/#webos-internals ird_pre (~wIRCer@adsl-154-198-113.ard.bellsouth.net) |
| 05:07.59 | halfhalo | yeah |
| 05:08.06 | halfhalo | stupid ads |
| 05:08.12 | Eguy | You from LA halfhalo? |
| 05:08.20 | halfhalo | San Frenando Valley |
| 05:08.32 | *** join/#webos-internals mjkjr|wirc (~wIRCer@173-113-37-214.pools.spcsdns.net) |
| 05:08.32 | Eguy | Your kidding. |
| 05:08.35 | Eguy | What part? |
| 05:08.36 | halfhalo | Nope |
| 05:08.37 | oil | lol |
| 05:08.40 | halfhalo | Granada Hills |
| 05:08.41 | oil | eguy is going to stalk you now |
| 05:08.48 | Eguy | gets in the car. |
| 05:08.52 | halfhalo | why is it raining right now... |
| 05:08.52 | *** join/#webos-internals Sedorox (brandon@web1.smart-serv.net) |
| 05:09.01 | oil | what, is there a lion? |
| 05:09.07 | halfhalo | yes |
| 05:09.08 | Eguy | I know, I wish it would stop raining here already. |
| 05:09.10 | halfhalo | IN YOUT PANTS |
| 05:09.18 | oil | good thing im not wearing any |
| 05:09.20 | *** part/#webos-internals ird_pre (~wIRCer@adsl-154-198-113.ard.bellsouth.net) |
| 05:09.20 | halfhalo | that works for both oil and eguy |
| 05:09.24 | Eguy | Grenada Hills is a nice area. |
| 05:09.26 | oil | that could have been dangerous |
| 05:09.27 | mjkjr|wirc | is holding his phone now |
| 05:09.35 | halfhalo | yeah |
| 05:09.38 | halfhalo | where are you? |
| 05:09.40 | *** join/#webos-internals RagingMind (~ragingmin@174-20-131-130.mpls.qwest.net) |
| 05:09.41 | *** join/#webos-internals geist (~geist@c-24-4-224-63.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 05:09.45 | Eguy | is holding his oh I can't say that in here |
| 05:10.00 | Eguy | I'm in downtown |
| 05:10.03 | Sebastian | hahhahahahaha |
| 05:10.14 | halfhalo | downtown LA? |
| 05:10.17 | Eguy | Si |
| 05:10.21 | halfhalo | nice |
| 05:10.27 | *** join/#webos-internals ameng (~fm@124.42.107.194) |
| 05:10.29 | mjkjr | i've always wanted to go to CA |
| 05:10.38 | Eguy | I hate this freaking rain. |
| 05:10.41 | RagingMind | I'm always in downtown... but that's cause I live there |
| 05:10.48 | RagingMind | slightly different downtown though |
| 05:10.54 | Eguy | East LA? |
| 05:11.00 | RagingMind | Minneapolis |
| 05:11.05 | Eguy | Ah. |
| 05:11.33 | RagingMind | I may have understated the amount of difference there |
| 05:12.01 | Eguy | Precisely. |
| 05:12.04 | halfhalo | heh |
| 05:12.30 | egaudet | my preware is still at the splashscreen |
| 05:13.18 | mjkjr | that dang preware |
| 05:13.28 | mjkjr | ...or that dang pre? |
| 05:13.30 | Eguy | Preware is the worst program for webOS. |
| 05:13.47 | RagingMind | I was gonna buy a prē and then bills came :( |
| 05:13.49 | halfhalo | I KNOW |
| 05:13.53 | Eguy | Who ever made that piece of oh... forgot which room I was in. |
| 05:13.58 | halfhalo | lol |
| 05:14.04 | oil | gets +o to ban eguy |
| 05:14.11 | mjkjr | lol |
| 05:14.20 | oil | lol |
| 05:14.21 | halfhalo | wants -o. Or a cookie. |
| 05:14.24 | RagingMind | irc cage fight to the death? |
| 05:14.31 | Eguy | +b oil |
| 05:14.34 | oil | eguy would lose |
| 05:14.38 | halfhalo | I call broadcasting rights! |
| 05:14.39 | RagingMind | or death of internet connection? :) |
| 05:14.46 | Eguy | I would lose because oil is so slippery. |
| 05:14.56 | mjkjr | hehe |
| 05:14.58 | oil | would get halfhalo to cut eguys wires |
| 05:15.03 | RagingMind | Eguy, fight oil with fire? |
| 05:15.11 | Eguy | would light a math. |
| 05:15.14 | halfhalo | would do that |
| 05:15.17 | Eguy | s/math/match/ |
| 05:15.28 | Eguy | ~botsmack |
| 05:15.29 | infobot | OWW! |
| 05:15.32 | mjkjr | can't fix those |
| 05:15.37 | oil | lol |
| 05:15.42 | oil | would run in fear of the maths |
| 05:15.45 | mjkjr | why is everyone so mean to infobot |
| 05:15.52 | halfhalo | because? |
| 05:16.00 | Eguy | infobot cheated on all of us. |
| 05:16.04 | mjkjr | ~botsnack |
| 05:16.04 | infobot | aw, gee, mjkjr |
| 05:16.21 | Eguy | She's a self-loathing whore. |
| 05:16.21 | mjkjr | i saw infobot left a couple times today |
| 05:16.34 | mjkjr | infbot: why would you leave us? |
| 05:16.36 | oil | people were trying to lart people who werent here |
| 05:16.47 | Eguy | ~oil's brother |
| 05:16.48 | oil | mousey killed him that way |
| 05:16.51 | mjkjr | oh yeah.. |
| 05:16.57 | Eguy | oops |
| 05:16.58 | oil | i dont have a brother |
| 05:17.03 | Eguy | ~lart oil's brother |
| 05:17.03 | infobot | calls oil's brother on the phone ... the lights are on but nobody's home |
| 05:17.41 | Eguy | Proof google is evil: http://i.imgur.com/50C26.jpg |
| 05:18.02 | halfhalo | lol |
| 05:18.04 | mjkjr | holy crap |
| 05:18.16 | mjkjr | not what i was expecting |
| 05:18.35 | oil | lol |
| 05:18.39 | oil | that deer was askin for it |
| 05:18.47 | RagingMind | :( |
| 05:18.49 | oil | he wanted to be on camera, and got too excited and tripped |
| 05:18.56 | oil | not like he got hit or anything |
| 05:18.58 | Eguy | He wasn't ready for his closeup.... |
| 05:19.03 | oil | lol |
| 05:19.05 | RagingMind | just a fawn... |
| 05:19.19 | Eguy | Achievement Unlocked: Dead fawn |
| 05:19.24 | Eguy | 5G |
| 05:19.27 | *** join/#webos-internals FuMan (no@ip68-97-160-147.ok.ok.cox.net) |
| 05:19.40 | mjkjr | maybe it was taking a nap? |
| 05:20.19 | oil | they threw treats on the ground |
| 05:20.22 | oil | and its trying to get to them |
| 05:20.26 | egaudet | preware works for me |
| 05:20.33 | oil | ofcourse it does |
| 05:20.40 | oil | did you turn on description searching? |
| 05:20.51 | oil | how is it on search speed? |
| 05:21.01 | Eguy | 3 dots still there? |
| 05:21.05 | oil | lol |
| 05:21.35 | oil | wherever they came from anyways |
| 05:23.05 | Sebastian | I think i just did something stupid. . . . . or the pre is doing something stupid. I paused all downloads and jsut resumed them all at the same time and they all finished downloading but they are taking long to install |
| 05:23.16 | Sebastian | could it be they are all being installed at the same time? |
| 05:23.43 | Eguy | You just broke your pre |
| 05:24.06 | *** join/#webos-internals xaiki (~user@mx.fr.smartjog.net) |
| 05:24.10 | halfhalo | lol |
| 05:24.15 | egaudet | i don't know what's going on here |
| 05:24.20 | Sebastian | http://mini.x0.com/category/webos/ |
| 05:24.41 | Sebastian | does anyone read japanese? |
| 05:24.43 | egaudet | my list of apps just changed to the 2nd line only no more app names |
| 05:24.45 | egaudet | oil |
| 05:24.48 | *** join/#webos-internals nekrox_ (~nekro@unaffiliated/nekrox) |
| 05:24.51 | oil | ? |
| 05:25.05 | egaudet | all the app names disappeared in my sarch |
| 05:25.06 | egaudet | search* |
| 05:25.13 | oil | that makes no sense |
| 05:25.34 | halfhalo | ypu make no sense |
| 05:25.44 | halfhalo | you |
| 05:25.45 | *** join/#webos-internals alkos333 (~alkos333@173-149-111-167.pools.spcsdns.net) |
| 05:26.00 | egaudet | i'm guessing when matching a description it doesn't show app name |
| 05:26.09 | oil | it should |
| 05:26.18 | oil | there is no change to the display code |
| 05:26.25 | egaudet | ok type in key |
| 05:26.30 | egaudet | all the apps come up |
| 05:26.43 | egaudet | tap an app, then go back, no more app names |
| 05:26.45 | rwhitby | Sebastian: it sets up the Alt key to type in Kanji |
| 05:26.47 | egaudet | just line 2 (version/maintainer) |
| 05:27.13 | oil | huh |
| 05:27.13 | Sebastian | rly!? |
| 05:27.14 | egaudet | and then I can't use keyboard to type unless I re-highlight the top search bar |
| 05:27.18 | oil | what did you search for? |
| 05:27.26 | egaudet | key |
| 05:27.36 | Sebastian | rwhitby so which one do i install?? do u know japanese too? |
| 05:28.09 | oil | huh |
| 05:28.11 | egaudet | then tapped the top found app block breaker lite |
| 05:28.15 | egaudet | and then back gesture |
| 05:28.20 | egaudet | then 2 seconds and the app names disappear |
| 05:28.37 | oil | catalog feed? |
| 05:28.48 | egaudet | no |
| 05:28.51 | rwhitby | Sebastian: basically chose USA or EFIGS |
| 05:28.57 | oil | themes? |
| 05:29.07 | egaudet | what are you asking |
| 05:29.13 | oil | do you have that feed on |
| 05:29.24 | egaudet | oh i have all feeds except themes on |
| 05:29.36 | egaudet | and then my device went to sleep I awoke it and the names are back |
| 05:30.20 | Sebastian | rwhitby: i am confused. what do u mean? |
| 05:30.30 | egaudet | http://img42.imageshack.us/i/preware20100403002722.png/ |
| 05:30.53 | psykoz | So what do you guys think of Blackberry's Pre? :) |
| 05:30.59 | rwhitby | Sebastian: you're asking about wget http://mini.x0.com/webos/japanese.sh, right? |
| 05:31.30 | Eguy | psykoz: It looks....... too java integrated YEEEEEEEEEEAHHHHHHHHHHHHH |
| 05:31.44 | psykoz | *grins* |
| 05:31.50 | halfhalo | lol |
| 05:31.56 | Sebastian | i want to download this http://mini.x0.com/2010/01/04/760/ |
| 05:32.08 | Sebastian | is there a way to put the url of the ipk on preware? |
| 05:32.59 | oil | egaudet: i can't reproduce it :/ |
| 05:33.19 | *** join/#webos-internals roxfan (dunno@78.217-240-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) |
| 05:34.36 | egaudet | all feeds on except prethemer and precentral-themes including test feed |
| 05:34.37 | *** join/#webos-internals Adora (~Adora@c-98-234-107-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 05:34.49 | oil | yeah, i did that |
| 05:34.54 | egaudet | go to available packages -> all |
| 05:35.03 | egaudet | type key |
| 05:35.13 | egaudet | go to block breaker lite |
| 05:35.14 | egaudet | back gesture |
| 05:35.16 | egaudet | wait 2 seconds |
| 05:37.17 | oil | no, nothin |
| 05:38.06 | *** join/#webos-internals xaiki (~user@mx.fr.smartjog.net) |
| 05:38.33 | egaudet | well you're just lyin |
| 05:38.38 | oil | lol |
| 05:38.39 | rwhitby | http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http://mini.x0.com/2010/01/19/776/ <- "Proceed third-party apps (preware Do you want me)" |
| 05:38.39 | oil | im not |
| 05:38.44 | oil | can anyone else reproduce this? |
| 05:39.25 | Eguy | I'm a male so no. |
| 05:39.29 | rwhitby | egaudet: yep, it took out any titles which didn't match the search. |
| 05:39.29 | *** join/#webos-internals AgentSmith (~AgentSmit@c-71-56-237-125.hsd1.co.comcast.net) |
| 05:40.17 | egaudet | that doesn't make sense |
| 05:40.29 | egaudet | it's A) counterintuitive and B) doesn't happen until I navigate away and back |
| 05:40.42 | egaudet | and oil can't reproduce it |
| 05:40.49 | oil | rwhitby: like this: http://img42.imageshack.us/i/preware20100403002722.png/ |
| 05:40.49 | oil | ? |
| 05:41.24 | rwhitby | oil: yep. |
| 05:41.33 | oil | what |
| 05:41.49 | rwhitby | repeated it with 'h' and FlashCards Lite and the same thing happens - all titles without a 'h' disappear |
| 05:41.52 | egaudet | http://img46.imageshack.us/i/preware20100403004112.png/ |
| 05:42.35 | oil | so, available packages->applications->all? |
| 05:43.08 | rwhitby | oil: yep |
| 05:43.29 | rwhitby | I just did top->Available Applications->All |
| 05:43.53 | rwhitby | yep, very repeatable |
| 05:44.39 | oil | well lets see if i can get it to happen in the emulator |
| 05:44.48 | egaudet | what is top-> ? |
| 05:45.46 | egaudet | the icons seem to "refresh" |
| 05:45.53 | egaudet | and that's when all the name filtering happens |
| 05:47.20 | rwhitby | egaudet: I have show available types set to yes |
| 05:51.30 | egaudet | night |
| 05:51.45 | *** part/#webos-internals AgentSmith (~AgentSmit@c-71-56-237-125.hsd1.co.comcast.net) |
| 06:00.52 | oil | http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=applications/preware.git;a=blobdiff;f=app/assistants/pkg-list-assistant.js;h=b21bf26fad21804f6667fcb793ceb01aa2208a46;hp=bea321bd71a47578aab9ca343ef5f26cadf7064c;hb=f18d7e4d66f52ff6c26a910a86f9fd6d08c597b8;hpb=619e896144729d1997aa66787c881f4ef0a626b0 |
| 06:01.30 | oil | that url was massive |
| 06:01.41 | halfhalo | yeah |
| 06:01.43 | Eguy | shadyurl.com |
| 06:04.05 | sslow | dBsooner, ping |
| 06:04.09 | dBsooner | ? |
| 06:04.37 | halfhalo | pie |
| 06:04.45 | sslow | dBsooner, problem w/ sprintnav patches....only garbage found |
| 06:04.51 | dBsooner | ? |
| 06:05.45 | sslow | they work fine from the originals that i submitted |
| 06:05.53 | sslow | but not in preware |
| 06:07.04 | sslow | dBsooner, ideas? |
| 06:07.36 | rwhitby | sslow: do you generate the patches on windows or a real OS ? |
| 06:07.45 | oil | lolol |
| 06:08.02 | halfhalo | lulz |
| 06:08.03 | sslow | dBsooner, win7 fake os. lol |
| 06:08.19 | rwhitby | my first guess is line endings |
| 06:08.20 | Eguy | lol |
| 06:08.22 | sslow | dBsooner, all of mine on win 7 |
| 06:08.39 | Eguy | rwhitby: an OS is a just a means to an end. |
| 06:09.14 | Tman | Eguy: well spoken :) |
| 06:09.20 | Tman | though I am a linux guy myself.. |
| 06:09.25 | rwhitby | Eguy: exactly, so in this case you need to use an OS that can accomplish the end goal |
| 06:09.50 | rwhitby | If your end goal is to play Halo 3, use Windows. |
| 06:10.02 | sslow | rwhitby, all of my others work fine....why these? |
| 06:10.06 | sslow | 2 |
| 06:10.08 | Eguy | You can't play Halo 3 on Windows. |
| 06:10.21 | rwhitby | there you go, it's not even good enough for that! |
| 06:10.37 | halfhalo | speaking of os's and games, who here has seen the new vavle apple commercials? |
| 06:10.45 | Eguy | You can view the weather through Windows. |
| 06:10.58 | halfhalo | and viruses! |
| 06:11.12 | rwhitby | hmm - there really is no way to remove the package manager service using Preware, is there ... |
| 06:11.14 | halfhalo | *typed on a windows computer^ |
| 06:12.22 | rwhitby | and you don't see ipkgservice as an icon, nor in device info |
| 06:13.33 | rwhitby | findapps sees it, but can't delete it |
| 06:13.44 | sslow | rwhitby, dBsooner just tried w/ wosqi 3.02 and installed fie! |
| 06:13.57 | sslow | fie/fine |
| 06:13.58 | dBsooner | i'll look later |
| 06:14.08 | sslow | dBsooner, k thanks |
| 06:15.03 | rwhitby | Does ClockSync install properly for anyone else (app catalog) ? |
| 06:16.36 | mjkjr|wirc | checking |
| 06:18.18 | mjkjr|wirc | yes |
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| 06:19.57 | rwhitby | hmm - something weird is going on |
| 06:21.04 | mjkjr|wirc | preware 0.9.29 ? it's like christmas every time I open preware |
| 06:21.16 | Eguy | lol |
| 06:21.19 | halfhalo | lol |
| 06:22.28 | FuMan | heh |
| 06:22.33 | FuMan | gaming on webOS could be 100 times better |
| 06:22.38 | FuMan | if they fixed that minimum drag distance |
| 06:22.40 | FuMan | that is going on |
| 06:22.58 | halfhalo | lol |
| 06:23.19 | halfhalo | I wish they let the kb be used as controls |
| 06:23.29 | FuMan | meh |
| 06:23.33 | FuMan | that wouldnt really be optimal either |
| 06:23.41 | FuMan | but |
| 06:23.44 | oil | keyboard = horrible for directional controls |
| 06:23.51 | FuMan | the rejection of minimal movements is horrid |
| 06:27.06 | dBsooner | sslow: submit your patches again |
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| 06:27.24 | rwhitby | excellent, the ipkg downloaded by the app catalog doesn't match that in the palm xml feeds |
| 06:27.26 | dBsooner | sslow: nm |
| 06:27.52 | rwhitby | mjkjr|wirc: what |
| 06:27.58 | sslow | dBsooner, what was it |
| 06:28.02 | sslow | ? |
| 06:28.22 | rwhitby | mjkjr|wirc: is the md5sum in /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/lib/ipkg/info/*clocksync*.control ? |
| 06:28.49 | Guest16904 | does anybody kno how to fix the ipkg error |
| 06:31.05 | rwhitby | depends which one |
| 06:31.10 | dBsooner | man I just love P|C.net this time of night |
| 06:31.27 | Eguy | n00bs come out in force? |
| 06:31.29 | sslow | dBsooner, no shit...... |
| 06:31.45 | Guest16904 | palm pree |
| 06:31.46 | dBsooner | no |
| 06:31.50 | dBsooner | its slower than dirt |
| 06:31.58 | dBsooner | and doesn't work at all |
| 06:32.12 | sslow | dBsooner, every friggin night at this time |
| 06:32.16 | dBsooner | 504 Gateway Time-out |
| 06:32.16 | dBsooner | nginx |
| 06:32.27 | dBsooner | yep.. they should really work on a better backup solution |
| 06:32.27 | rwhitby | yep, md5sum mismatch causes app catalog to not install something |
| 06:32.39 | sslow | dBsooner, notice its just the forum though |
| 06:33.52 | dBsooner | yeah, I know. |
| 06:34.28 | sslow | dBsooner, the patches...my fault or no? |
| 06:34.46 | dBsooner | no |
| 06:35.01 | sslow | dBsooner, coll thanks |
| 06:35.09 | sslow | coll/cool |
| 06:40.41 | katz | my icons have all vanished from launcher pages after installing new patches and doing a luna reboot. How do I retrieve them, please..... |
| 06:42.37 | katz | can anyone help |
| 06:42.41 | Nrbelex | dBsooner: Any luck? |
| 06:43.56 | dBsooner | Nrbelex: not yet |
| 06:44.19 | Nrbelex | dBsooner: Lemme know when you get there |
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| 09:13.50 | cxreg | Unable to set 640x480 video mode: SDL_HWSURFACE and/or SDL_DOUBLEBUF not supported |
| 09:14.08 | cxreg | what's the actual resolution of the pre's display? |
| 09:20.57 | cxreg | haha |
| 09:21.00 | cxreg | i got missile command working |
| 09:21.19 | cxreg | from here: http://missile.sourceforge.net/ |
| 09:21.35 | cxreg | though it's kind of ugly looking, needs tweaking |
| 09:36.20 | iSmite | im getting an error on preware patches is that normal |
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| 09:37.33 | iSmite | res is 320x480 |
| 09:38.05 | nina_ | Hello, I'm having trouble with meta-doctor, is this the appropriate place to ask for help? |
| 09:38.14 | iSmite | scratch the patch error seems rto be working now |
| 09:38.38 | iSmite | nina_ yeah it is but i think all the devs are asleep |
| 09:40.16 | nina_ | I'm at the last step, make, carrier, unpack, pathc pack... and I'm getting an error |
| 09:40.32 | iSmite | you got further than me :) |
| 09:41.33 | nina_ | Please download the correct doctor .jar and then move it to downloads/filename.jar , but I've already done that. Maybe it's a file permissions thing? |
| 09:42.27 | iSmite | if you can wait for someone like egaudet or destinal or dbsooner one of them will know |
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| 09:43.31 | nina_ | Not sure where to go from here. I'm on Win32XPProSP3 compiling with Ubuntu 9.10 using Virtualbox 3.1.4 just FYI |
| 09:43.32 | iSmite | i cant even get as far as you i don't understand it at all, been trying to do it for weeks now lol |
| 09:43.51 | nina_ | iSmite: on Win32? |
| 09:43.58 | iSmite | what are you trying to do get sprint on gsm, thats what i wanted |
| 09:44.01 | iSmite | no im on snow leo |
| 09:44.17 | nina_ | can't help on OSX, sorry. |
| 09:44.32 | iSmite | its not the instructions, its my virtualbox |
| 09:44.37 | nina_ | LOL |
| 09:44.53 | iSmite | running ubuntu but it keeps saying i only have 1.3 gb on the disk even when i set it to 20gb |
| 09:45.23 | iSmite | do you know how to change the size of the virtual disk cos mine wont lol |
| 09:46.16 | nina_ | Just delete the VM and make a new one. That's what I did when Ububtu refused to install on a 4GB VirtualDisk. |
| 09:46.25 | nina_ | YMMMV |
| 09:46.33 | iSmite | i did that, i got the same error it would only set to 1.3 gb |
| 09:47.08 | iSmite | ubuntu installed, but when i was unpacking the files to the doctor it said not enough room |
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| 09:49.36 | iSmite | ah well im gonna go and fix this theme anyway, hang around and someone will b able to help you |
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| 10:03.33 | Darkmagister | hi ... i had update webos to 1.4 |
| 10:04.08 | Darkmagister | now terminal plugin make luna crash |
| 10:05.15 | Darkmagister | .. |
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| 10:10.31 | woody_ | hey all |
| 10:11.06 | woody_ | im in desperate need of help |
| 10:11.31 | woody_ | with my git commands not workin on my terminal |
| 10:12.12 | woody_ | i guess everyone is sleep lol |
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| 10:12.36 | woody_ | hello? |
| 10:12.59 | woody_ | hello? |
| 10:13.07 | woody_ | anyone |
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| 11:16.00 | Darkmagister | nobody waked up ? |
| 11:23.37 | Shura0 | nobody knows |
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| 11:40.37 | rwhitby | Darkmagister: hi |
| 11:41.00 | Darkmagister | hi |
| 11:41.40 | Darkmagister | i have a problem .... with terminal |
| 11:41.46 | Darkmagister | plugin on webos |
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| 11:44.19 | Darkmagister | it make luna crash with new 1.4 webos |
| 11:44.45 | Darkmagister | rwhitby: can you help me ? :D |
| 11:49.19 | Darkmagister | http://git.webos-internals.org/trac/preware/ticket/20 how can help with this ? i'm not unndertand very well :D |
| 12:04.17 | Darkmagister | ... |
| 12:04.20 | Darkmagister | ok maybe later |
| 12:05.47 | Shura0 | Darkmagister, I have problems with terminal too |
| 12:06.26 | Darkmagister | mmm woow it is reassuring |
| 12:07.58 | Darkmagister | i hope someone can fix this problem |
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| 12:11.59 | Darkmagister | a question to all ... why this (preware) project don't have a mailing list ? i think is realy usefull have a mailing list to organize all .. :D |
| 12:13.15 | Darkmagister | I think it is more convenient for these things |
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| 12:27.36 | rwhitby | Darkmagister: there is a webos-internals mailing list |
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| 12:34.01 | Darkmagister | rwhitby: really ????????? |
| 12:34.30 | rwhitby | yeah, no-one uses it, but it exists. |
| 12:35.17 | Darkmagister | :D |
| 12:35.36 | Darkmagister | where i can found it ? i want to use it :D |
| 12:35.49 | Darkmagister | http://groups.google.com/group/webos-internals-announce/topics this ? |
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| 12:36.50 | rwhitby | remove the -announce |
| 12:39.10 | Darkmagister | mmm is full of spam .. |
| 12:40.59 | rwhitby | that's one problem with public mailing lists |
| 12:41.12 | en0x | can't u moderate it? |
| 12:42.03 | rwhitby | well, someone else can if they like |
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| 12:53.53 | z33ma | hi everyone |
| 12:54.18 | z33ma | got a lil probelme with my pre i was wondering if i could get some help? |
| 12:54.22 | z33ma | *problem |
| 12:55.54 | en0x | what's the problem? |
| 12:55.58 | z33ma | i dont think its bricked, but i am unable to get past 58% on webos doctor, |
| 12:56.08 | z33ma | comes with the error cant reset device |
| 12:56.31 | morphis | z33ma: do take a look in the command line output of the webos doctor? |
| 12:56.37 | morphis | s/do/do you/ |
| 12:56.54 | z33ma | but it will still boot, but comes up with a Phone Error, "your phone is experiencing an error that cannot be resoloved |
| 12:57.20 | z33ma | i can run that now, will conect via novaterm to see the output right? |
| 12:57.37 | morphis | no |
| 12:57.44 | morphis | just run the webos doctor from a console window |
| 12:57.54 | morphis | then you get all the logging output from it |
| 12:57.58 | z33ma | ahh, ok |
| 12:58.02 | z33ma | trying that now |
| 12:58.09 | morphis | will help you to find the command that fails in the process |
| 12:58.39 | z33ma | yesh just wondering what the command would be |
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| 13:07.39 | z33ma | just sorting out the java enviroment variable on my system |
| 13:12.35 | z33ma | ok running webosdoctor in terminal |
| 13:12.41 | z33ma | so can see the logs |
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| 13:16.55 | z33ma | webos doctor is on 46 % |
| 13:21.30 | z33ma | ok got the error |
| 13:21.32 | z33ma | INFO: exiting handleFailCase() err -1 "Error Updating Modem PRI/PRL!!! |
| 13:22.55 | z33ma | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:24.19 | z33ma | UMTS Msh: /sbin/start: not found? |
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| 13:25.06 | z33ma | failed to update pri/prl is the last error i can see onit |
| 13:27.28 | z33ma | hope there is a fix for this |
| 13:27.29 | z33ma | :/ |
| 13:27.34 | z33ma | brb. |
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| 13:33.07 | morphis | z33ma: I had the same error |
| 13:33.24 | hucksy | rwhitby |
| 13:33.27 | morphis | z33ma: I solved it |
| 13:33.35 | morphis | but be carefull |
| 13:33.52 | morphis | you have to reflash the modem firmware! |
| 13:33.59 | morphis | that can brick your device! |
| 13:34.55 | rwhitby | I'd try rebooting, pulling the battery, and trying the doctor again, repeating all that a couple of times before going to more drastic measures. |
| 13:35.20 | morphis | z33ma: /usr/bin/PmModemUpdate < /usr/lib/modem/castleumtsfw.tar |
| 13:35.25 | hucksy | http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Mehr-freie-Apps-fuer-deutsche-WebOS-Nutzer-945986.html |
| 13:35.28 | morphis | z33ma: that will reflash the modem firmware |
| 13:35.29 | hucksy | rwhitby: your name in it ;) |
| 13:35.44 | morphis | z33ma: after that you can run webos doctor again and it will complete |
| 13:36.06 | morphis | z33ma: but don't blame me if your device is bricked afterwards! |
| 13:38.06 | rwhitby | hucksy: at least that article got it right |
| 13:38.16 | hucksy | :) |
| 13:38.53 | rwhitby | and linked to the right post. |
| 13:40.42 | rwhitby | Preware 0.9.30 now in the testing feed - Now chooses the correct information to display for packages in multiple feeds. |
| 13:41.34 | hucksy | rwhitby: still some mistakes in the german preware version, where can i find the patch file with all the translations? |
| 13:43.40 | rwhitby | hucksy: git.webos-internals.org |
| 13:43.56 | hucksy | ok |
| 13:44.10 | rwhitby | and you can find the names and email addresses of the current translators in the commit log |
| 13:44.10 | z33ma | morphis: will try that |
| 13:44.27 | morphis | z33ma: ok |
| 13:44.30 | z33ma | nothing much i can do with it anyway so every little will hlep |
| 13:44.33 | morphis | tell me when it helps |
| 13:44.37 | morphis | :) |
| 13:44.44 | hucksy | ok, thanks |
| 13:44.45 | z33ma | tried webdoctor loads of times but still didnt do much |
| 13:45.16 | z33ma | morphis: do i do it now,or do i reboot then connect via novacom and run the modem flash |
| 13:45.33 | z33ma | cos right now its on the failed dia box |
| 13:45.45 | morphis | z33ma: I did it after webos doctor failed |
| 13:45.51 | morphis | just run novaterm right after it |
| 13:45.57 | z33ma | ok will do i tnow |
| 13:45.59 | z33ma | *now |
| 13:46.02 | morphis | then you get into the installer initramfs |
| 13:46.20 | morphis | there should be even the latest firmware available |
| 13:46.44 | z33ma | ok connected via novaterm |
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| 13:48.16 | z33ma | do i copy the castlefw.tar from the webosdoctor jar file |
| 13:52.45 | z33ma | got my castleumtsfw.tar in my /tmp folder atm |
| 13:52.51 | quotemstr | Is it normal for the Preware to display a bunch of 404 errors when starting up? |
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| 14:05.54 | en0x | quotemstr, hmm depends... while updating feeds? |
| 14:06.26 | birdie0267 | please help, had troubles with pre since 1.4 update and when trying to download an app last night it locked up and will not unfreeze, help |
| 14:06.27 | quotemstr | Yes, from wget. |
| 14:07.10 | en0x | quotemstr, maybe ur feeds are outdated? |
| 14:07.24 | quotemstr | I just downloaded the thing and installed it via the bootstrapping shell script. |
| 14:08.12 | quotemstr | It's complaining that http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/preware/all/Packages.gz isn't found. |
| 14:08.20 | quotemstr | (Which it isn't.) |
| 14:09.06 | en0x | looks like u have old preware |
| 14:09.06 | en0x | ;d |
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| 14:09.41 | en0x | especially the service it should update u to the latest feeds |
| 14:10.04 | quotemstr | Then the bootstrapping script should be updated. :-) |
| 14:10.14 | timofalltrades | hello folks - I saw something ugly this morning: / is at 100%. I also saw something else in the webos-patches.log |
| 14:10.16 | timofalltrades | ---------------------------------- |
| 14:10.16 | timofalltrades | Actually applying the patch! |
| 14:10.16 | timofalltrades | ---------------------------------- |
| 14:10.16 | timofalltrades | patching file usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.phone/app/controllers/announcer-assistant.js |
| 14:10.16 | timofalltrades | patching file usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.phone/app/controllers/incomingcall-assistant.js |
| 14:10.17 | timofalltrades | patching file usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.phone/app/controllers/missedcall-assistant.js |
| 14:10.18 | timofalltrades | SUCCESS |
| 14:10.32 | en0x | quotemstr, ;d |
| 14:11.12 | timofalltrades | (hmm - there should be a line showing that space ran out: /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/bin/patch: **** write error : No space left on device ) |
| 14:11.23 | timofalltrades | that occurs right before SUCCESS |
| 14:11.32 | timofalltrades | of course, now I can't remove that patch.... |
| 14:11.42 | z33ma | morphis: flashed the modem sucessfully, |
| 14:11.55 | z33ma | morphis: running the webosdoctor again |
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| 14:12.56 | timofalltrades | anyone have hints for for forcing a patch to reverse itself when it erroneously thinks it made changes it didn't? |
| 14:14.16 | quotemstr | patch -R? |
| 14:14.19 | timofalltrades | I'm guessing that ipkg and a flag (-R? -n?) will force a removal |
| 14:14.28 | quotemstr | Also, consider -b next time. |
| 14:15.15 | timofalltrades | I was running the install via preware, so I didn't have that kind of control |
| 14:15.27 | timofalltrades | (I'm thinking that's something preware needs to check for) |
| 14:16.18 | timofalltrades | so - this'll sound dumb, but while I know my way around linux ok, I'm not positive how to manually run patch on an ipk... I don't suppose you'd be willing to point me in the right direction? |
| 14:18.13 | rwhitby | bbt |
| 14:18.55 | timofalltrades | it looks like at least the patch file is at /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications/org.webosinternals.patches.phone-match-state-to-area-code/phone-match-state-to-area-code.patch |
| 14:21.37 | timofalltrades | hmm. ok - how about this: if I wanted to talk to the Preware devs and let them know they have a bug, this'd be the right place, yes? |
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| 14:22.09 | en0x | open a bug |
| 14:22.34 | en0x | http://git.webos-internals.org/trac/preware |
| 14:23.11 | timofalltrades | ah - ok, thank you! |
| 14:23.37 | timofalltrades | is there a link to how to manually reverse patches anywhere as well? |
| 14:24.26 | en0x | idk search on webos-internals.org |
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| 14:29.06 | busted-pre | my phone is still showing tweaks when none are installed? any idea on how to fix this? |
| 14:29.56 | z33ma | flashed the modem, still having PRI/PRL errors |
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| 14:36.01 | timofalltrades | en0x: to open a bug requires creating a gitorious account first, or is it a different account that its needing here? |
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| 14:48.35 | busted-pre | bah.. if anyone could help me out .. it would be amazing. been at it for 2 days with no results |
| 14:53.03 | mjkjr|wirc | busted-pre: backup data, full erase, then doctor the phone. best and easiest way to fix any issues imo |
| 14:53.45 | timofalltrades | ah: its the "backup data" part of that that sounds so innocent but so isn't... |
| 14:55.08 | busted-pre | lol... is there a way i can save my chat histroy and restore it back to my phone after doctor? if so ill take that route if not.. id like to figure something else out |
| 14:55.46 | egaudet | timofalltrades, running out of space on / sounds fishy, make sure you dont' have the cryptofs bug |
| 14:56.07 | quotemstr | The cryptofs bug? |
| 14:56.23 | timofalltrades | right - the cryptofs bug? |
| 14:56.51 | egaudet | some people have gotten into a situation where cryptofs wasn't being mounted so all the apps and packages are using / |
| 14:56.52 | timofalltrades | buster-pre: make a backup of your PalmDatabase.db3 file |
| 14:56.58 | timofalltrades | huh... |
| 14:57.11 | timofalltrades | how would I know if that was the deal, and how would I correct? |
| 14:57.14 | egaudet | grep cryptofs /proc/mounts |
| 14:58.23 | timofalltrades | cryptofs /media/cryptofs fuse.cryptofs rw,nosuid,nodev,user_id=0,group_id=0 0 0 |
| 14:58.59 | egaudet | k you are fine |
| 14:59.00 | timofalltrades | df -k says: |
| 14:59.01 | timofalltrades | Filesystem 1k-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on |
| 14:59.01 | timofalltrades | rootfs 452296 448444 3852 99% / |
| 14:59.05 | timofalltrades | so fine...ish |
| 14:59.07 | timofalltrades | ;) |
| 14:59.36 | egaudet | yeah. mine's only at 91% you got a lot of patches? |
| 14:59.59 | timofalltrades | not really - most of them are placeholders at this point, no? |
| 15:00.11 | timofalltrades | hang on a sec, there's a file with the list in /media/internal, right? |
| 15:00.25 | mjkjr|wirc | busted-pre: sorry, I don't know much about backing up chat history, having a working phone is more important to me =) |
| 15:00.37 | quotemstr | I love having a phone that can run ntp. |
| 15:01.20 | egaudet | there's only like 30 left to be ported |
| 15:01.42 | timofalltrades | busted: see the thread at http://forums.precentral.net/general-webos-chat/231846-returned-new-pre-restoring-all-my-experiences.html |
| 15:01.51 | egaudet | timofalltrades, you can always doctor and then run ESE |
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| 15:02.02 | timofalltrades | that |
| 15:02.23 | timofalltrades | 'll lose me any program settings, etc that aren't backed up by Palm tho, no? |
| 15:02.39 | timofalltrades | doctors always make me nervous. ;) |
| 15:03.36 | egaudet | it doesn't touch /media/internal anymore, I'm not sure if it wipes any of the databases like for text messages and whatnot |
| 15:03.38 | timofalltrades | egaudet: I have 32 patches listed in my .webosinternals.patches.packages |
| 15:03.41 | Z33ma | lol i have visited the doctor 100+ times since last sat when 1.4 killed my pre |
| 15:03.43 | Z33ma | lol |
| 15:03.57 | egaudet | Z33ma, that is a lot :P |
| 15:04.22 | timofalltrades | Z33ma: you must have been killing a lot of time somehow since sat then! |
| 15:04.26 | timofalltrades | ouch |
| 15:04.29 | egaudet | timofalltrades, did you say the no space left on device message is or is not in webos-patches.log |
| 15:04.38 | timofalltrades | it is in webos-patches.log |
| 15:04.58 | timofalltrades | I was just about to paste the log into the preware thread on precentral |
| 15:05.07 | Z33ma | egaudet: prob not that much |
| 15:05.10 | egaudet | k |
| 15:05.15 | Z33ma | but quiet a bit |
| 15:05.19 | egaudet | I gotta head to work, bbl |
| 15:05.25 | Z33ma | i found out i have PRI/PRl error |
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| 15:05.42 | Z33ma | flashed the modem again |
| 15:05.51 | Z33ma | but still webosdoctor not completeing |
| 15:06.01 | Z33ma | :/ |
| 15:06.13 | en0x | idk i never had this problem |
| 15:06.16 | timofalltrades | ok - posted: http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=2281628&posted=1#post2281628 |
| 15:06.18 | en0x | chat with palm |
| 15:07.11 | Z33ma | yeah think i may have too |
| 15:08.13 | quotemstr | Is there a good on-device text editor? |
| 15:08.28 | quotemstr | I mean, I'd love Emacs, but I'll settle. :-) |
| 15:08.35 | en0x | emacs? |
| 15:08.46 | en0x | emacs has more complitated combos than mortal combat |
| 15:08.47 | en0x | :S |
| 15:09.07 | quotemstr | en0x: And over the past ten years, I've learned about half of them. :-) |
| 15:09.48 | Z33ma | right down right a <- sub zero wins fatality |
| 15:09.49 | Z33ma | lol |
| 15:10.00 | en0x | quotemstr, hehehe |
| 15:10.11 | en0x | vim FTW! |
| 15:10.34 | timofalltrades | ooh - one of my favorite emacs jokes: http://xkcd.com/378/ |
| 15:10.42 | timofalltrades | Real Programmers... |
| 15:10.44 | timofalltrades | nice |
| 15:10.53 | quotemstr | timofalltrades: Emacs actually has that command. |
| 15:11.09 | busted-pre | <mjkjr|wirc> i understand that but im deaf so chat is all i have |
| 15:11.28 | timofalltrades | emacs would be a bit hard to use on the pre keyboard without needing to have your thumbs operated on |
| 15:11.42 | morphis | Z33ma: reflashing the mode did not help? |
| 15:11.53 | Z33ma | morphis: flashing was sucessful |
| 15:12.04 | morphis | ok |
| 15:12.09 | Z33ma | but when i webosdoctor it still came with the same error |
| 15:12.13 | morphis | but webos-doctor sill complaing? |
| 15:12.14 | morphis | hm |
| 15:12.16 | Z33ma | yea |
| 15:12.25 | morphis | which verson of the webosdoctor do you use? |
| 15:12.40 | Z33ma | 1.3.1 |
| 15:12.46 | Z33ma | uk version |
| 15:13.04 | Z33ma | tried 1.3.5.2 as well |
| 15:13.52 | quotemstr | What happened to terminal!? |
| 15:14.00 | quotemstr | I updated it, and now it doesn't ask me to log in anymore. |
| 15:14.03 | en0x | i thought that uk got 1.4 |
| 15:14.15 | mjkjr|wirc | 1.4 happened to terminal |
| 15:14.26 | quotemstr | Huh? I was just using the old terminal. |
| 15:14.35 | quotemstr | Login and all. |
| 15:14.55 | quotemstr | I updated it using the preware installer, and now it doesn't ask me to log in. |
| 15:14.56 | timofalltrades | quotemstr: terminus works now |
| 15:15.20 | timofalltrades | all - trying to uninstall a patch manually and failing miserably |
| 15:15.24 | quotemstr | On the other hand, I can type '<'. |
| 15:15.27 | timofalltrades | quilt thinks no patches are applied |
| 15:15.33 | quotemstr | That helps. |
| 15:15.58 | timofalltrades | at least according to the http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Applying_Patches webpage instructions I've done so far |
| 15:16.43 | timofalltrades | I know the patch file lives at /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications/org.webosinternals.patches.phone-match-state-to-area-code/phone-match-state-to-area-code.patch |
| 15:16.57 | timofalltrades | can someone just give me the silly command I'm missing to force that to uninstall? |
| 15:18.02 | timofalltrades | (The applying patches page still says you need to uninstall all patches before an ota update, so I'm thinking the page needs updating...) |
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| 15:20.20 | woody_ | hello all |
| 15:20.43 | Z33ma | uk got 1.4 but my pre did everything but make calls, 3g worked too |
| 15:20.55 | Z33ma | so tried to downgrade |
| 15:22.05 | Z33ma | and well whole bunch of stuff and not its almost poked.. |
| 15:22.39 | woody_ | i cant getthe sudo apt-get install git-core to work any suggestions |
| 15:24.20 | busted-pre | anyone know how i can back up chat history?? im deaf so this to me is like you making a phone call and losing your phone #s?? |
| 15:25.31 | quotemstr | Oh god. |
| 15:25.35 | quotemstr | vi looks horrible under term. |
| 15:25.39 | quotemstr | switches to ed. |
| 15:25.48 | quotemstr | (It is, after all, the standard editor.) |
| 15:26.00 | woody_ | yeah clich where it sayslogs |
| 15:26.22 | busted-pre | huh? |
| 15:26.31 | woody_ | up top |
| 15:26.49 | busted-pre | up top where |
| 15:27.04 | woody_ | to the right its a link |
| 15:27.25 | woody_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:27.58 | busted-pre | o.. no i ment my history in my phone.. cause i have to doctor it |
| 15:28.33 | woody_ | idk bout dat |
| 15:28.36 | Kyutop | busted-pre is talking about messaging app history not this chat's history |
| 15:28.51 | woody_ | oh ok |
| 15:29.15 | busted-pre | yes Kyutop, but thank you anyways woody_ Kyutop.. can you help? |
| 15:29.16 | woody_ | cant you fwd it 2 your email |
| 15:29.39 | Kyutop | http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre/187145-how-back-up-text-messages-when-exchanging-phones.html |
| 15:30.01 | Kyutop | something like that? |
| 15:30.04 | woody_ | i need some help useing this meta dr |
| 15:30.17 | busted-pre | yes but i have not rooted* my phone? |
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| 15:30.52 | Kyutop | you could probably use Terminus and copy the file to the /media/internal part of the Pre |
| 15:31.02 | Kyutop | via linux commands |
| 15:31.08 | BrianSF | hi, I installed preware on my Pre (OS1.4), and it never showed up in the launcher after install. Anybody have any ideas? |
| 15:31.29 | busted-pre | linux command? lol... |
| 15:32.20 | Kyutop | webos-internals lives for linux commands =) |
| 15:32.25 | busted-pre | since i know not that. im not in a good position correct? |
| 15:33.11 | busted-pre | in webosQI i saw a linux commandline? |
| 15:33.20 | timofalltrades | busted - see the link I pasted in above. loads of info on how to back things up |
| 15:33.20 | woody_ | yeah i tryed but git commands dont work on my terminal |
| 15:33.21 | Kyutop | woody_: what problems are you having with metadoctor |
| 15:33.36 | timofalltrades | well... yeah |
| 15:34.15 | busted-pre | im on 3 different sites trying to read and not sure exactly what im reading |
| 15:34.16 | busted-pre | lol |
| 15:34.18 | timofalltrades | in theory someone could write a tool to dump all your chat logs and then reinsert them to a new pre's PalmDatabase, but noone's done that yet |
| 15:34.30 | woody_ | when i put in "sudo apt-get install git-core" it say command no found |
| 15:34.48 | Kyutop | what are you using to make the meta doctor? |
| 15:35.08 | woody_ | mac terminal |
| 15:35.16 | Kyutop | ah mac |
| 15:35.19 | Kyutop | hmmm |
| 15:35.22 | busted-pre | that woould be nice |
| 15:35.41 | cxreg | hm, i was just running top while luna crashed |
| 15:35.53 | cxreg | load was at about 15 |
| 15:36.16 | cxreg | but memory usage was normal |
| 15:36.35 | Lumiere | load average has nothing to do with memory usage |
| 15:36.51 | woody_ | all the other step work accept for a few commands |
| 15:36.52 | cxreg | i didnt say it did :p |
| 15:37.00 | busted-pre | i saw were ppl used web doctor to put there phones back to old version of webos and fix some problems.. will that erase everything as well? |
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| 15:38.12 | Kyutop | woody_: you have to wait for someone who knows Macs, I can only assist with MetaDoctor built in Linux and Windows |
| 15:38.40 | Kyutop | woody_: does git clone work? |
| 15:38.59 | Kyutop | woody_: what commands don't work |
| 15:39.01 | woody_ | no way |
| 15:39.56 | woody_ | i can see it but it syas that command cannot be found |
| 15:40.42 | Kyutop | hmmm I have no idea what MacPorts does. I'm not sure who wrote those instructions either. |
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| 15:42.58 | woody_ | whats the best way to do it on the pc |
| 15:43.09 | Kyutop | on Windows? |
| 15:43.20 | Kyutop | Cygwin is pretty easy |
| 15:43.41 | Kyutop | I expanded the Cygwin instructions actually |
| 15:44.09 | woody_ | im gonna go and try it on my pc |
| 15:44.22 | woody_ | i think i downloaded all the things i need |
| 15:47.44 | woody_ | i knew i should have stuck with a pc |
| 15:48.30 | en0x | woody_, for mac u need to use ports |
| 15:48.50 | en0x | woody_, and don't forget to download xcode |
| 15:48.56 | woody_ | i instaled it but the commands wont work |
| 15:49.07 | woody_ | i have xcode |
| 15:49.15 | en0x | sudo su - |
| 15:49.26 | en0x | cd /opt/.../bin/port install git |
| 15:49.35 | en0x | i don't remember the right paths right now |
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| 15:50.53 | Kyutop | back in 10 |
| 15:52.12 | woody_ | its confuseing but i dont know whats happening with 2 3 4 step dont work for me |
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| 15:58.33 | woody_ | how do i install mac ports |
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| 15:59.44 | woody_ | idk im trying both ways |
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| 16:11.08 | Cranimesao | Hello |
| 16:11.27 | Cranimesao | is there a way I can use wirc or pound irc for coldfront.net? |
| 16:12.20 | en0x | i dont see why not |
| 16:12.56 | en0x | wirc should work just fine |
| 16:13.23 | Cranimesao | ok, it kept giving me an error message, maybe its just me |
| 16:13.31 | Cranimesao | i will try again in a moment |
| 16:13.32 | Kyusaku | just make sure you have wircd installed |
| 16:13.39 | Cranimesao | ahh |
| 16:13.44 | Cranimesao | I dont think I have that |
| 16:13.56 | Kyusaku | you need it to make it work |
| 16:14.03 | Kyusaku | for any server |
| 16:14.37 | Cranimesao | would that be in the feed list for preware? |
| 16:14.51 | en0x | wirc should install it as dependency |
| 16:15.09 | Cranimesao | how can I check? |
| 16:15.17 | Kyusaku | well list everything |
| 16:15.22 | en0x | if wirc is not complaining about "wircd is not running" then u good |
| 16:15.23 | Kyusaku | and type wirc |
| 16:15.59 | Cranimesao | it just shows me wirc, I am installing now. I will resetup and if it gives me an error I will link it |
| 16:17.47 | Cranimesao | yeah it says us.ryanhope.wircd is not running |
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| 16:20.57 | cxreg-wirc | it's in preware under services |
| 16:21.34 | Cranimesao | I see it, it is installed |
| 16:22.34 | woody_ | i cant gert git clone git://git.webos-internals.org/tools/meta-doctor.git to work |
| 16:22.41 | woody_ | help!!!!! |
| 16:23.20 | Kyusaku | woody_: on mac? |
| 16:23.46 | Kyusaku | Cranimesao: did you just installl it and did it ask for Java Restart? |
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| 16:24.05 | woody_ | im useing both hich ever u know better mac or pc |
| 16:24.20 | woody_ | i have my mac open but it still doesnt work |
| 16:24.29 | Kyusaku | what does git clone say in cygwin |
| 16:24.54 | woody_ | fatal |
| 16:25.01 | Kyusaku | ? |
| 16:25.03 | woody_ | destination path |
| 16:25.14 | Kyusaku | ? |
| 16:25.31 | woody_ | already exists and is not an empty directory |
| 16:26.06 | woody_ | "meta-doctor" |
| 16:26.35 | Kyusaku | did you do git clone twice? |
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| 16:27.14 | Kyusaku | because the directory shouldn't exist after a fresh install of cygwin |
| 16:27.19 | Kyusaku | unless you tried before |
| 16:27.20 | Cranimesao | I never seen anything about a Java restart |
| 16:27.23 | Kyusaku | and failed and gave up |
| 16:27.28 | woody_ | i think i did |
| 16:27.38 | Kyusaku | Cranimesao: you need to do one if you can |
| 16:27.40 | saiks | has anyone noticed that rescaning luna using preware does not stop rescan? |
| 16:28.08 | woody_ | im gonna continue the steps and say the next problem |
| 16:28.22 | Kyusaku | wait |
| 16:28.37 | Kyusaku | when was the last time you tried? |
| 16:28.49 | woody_ | today |
| 16:29.37 | Kyusaku | oh ok |
| 16:29.43 | Kyusaku | then continue |
| 16:30.10 | Kyusaku | thought maybe the git you cloned was an older one |
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| 16:31.08 | Cranimesao | How do I do a Java restart on the Pre?. I have restarted the phone multiple times. |
| 16:31.15 | woody_ | gedit makefile |
| 16:31.34 | Kyusaku | Cranimesao: if you have no patches for special restart menus you will have you do a full restart |
| 16:31.52 | woody_ | bash gedit command not found |
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| 16:32.02 | Kyusaku | woody_: read the note |
| 16:32.02 | birdie0267 | please help...i have manually reset my Pre numerous times and it keeps looping and keep getting the "Memory critical, too many cards" error, however, I don't have any cards open...all locked up and can't get third party apps removed....suggestions, please... |
| 16:32.04 | saiks | update to the new version of preware it has that ability now in d menu |
| 16:32.07 | Cranimesao | I will try now |
| 16:32.13 | Kyusaku | woody_: gedit doesn't work in cygwin |
| 16:32.27 | Kyusaku | woody_: I made a mention and a note for that part |
| 16:32.33 | woody_ | sorry for not reading that lol |
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| 16:35.04 | Kyusaku | woody_: if you're already up to that part, sounds like your running into minimal issues |
| 16:35.13 | woody_ | true |
| 16:36.40 | redmafia | hello |
| 16:37.02 | redmafia | http://almaer.com/blog/uploads/gmail-nativemail.png |
| 16:37.14 | redmafia | what are the little circles in the mail app for? |
| 16:37.34 | en0x | i dont have it |
| 16:37.34 | redmafia | i dont have these on the emulator |
| 16:37.39 | redmafia | multi selection? |
| 16:37.42 | redmafia | ^^ |
| 16:37.46 | Kyusaku | woody_: did you download the doctor image via wget in under a minute? Or did you copy and paste it to the directory? |
| 16:37.59 | woody_ | i dl it |
| 16:38.16 | en0x | redmafia, those circles are on emulator? i dont have them on my pre |
| 16:38.21 | redmafia | no |
| 16:38.30 | Kyusaku | woody_: via wget? |
| 16:38.33 | redmafia | the pic is from http://almaer.com/blog/feeling-touchy-learning-how-to-build-great-touch-ui |
| 16:38.41 | woody_ | yes i did |
| 16:38.49 | Kyusaku | can you confirm the size of the image? |
| 16:38.53 | woody_ | which options do i uncomment |
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| 16:39.16 | Kyusaku | woody_: it depends what you need |
| 16:39.19 | birdie0267 | please help...i have manually reset my Pre numerous times and it keeps looping and keep getting the "Memory critical, too many cards" error, however, I don't have any cards open...all locked up and can't get third party apps removed....suggestions, please... |
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| 16:39.32 | woody_ | i need to get in the pre without the carries |
| 16:39.36 | woody_ | carrier' |
| 16:39.37 | redmafia | this dion is a palm dev |
| 16:39.46 | redmafia | maybe he has a newer version of the mail app |
| 16:39.47 | redmafia | :p |
| 16:40.25 | Kyusaku | woody_: ??? I'm not sure what you mean |
| 16:40.36 | Kyusaku | what kind of Pre do you have? |
| 16:41.09 | woody_ | i have a pre but i wanna use it over wifi to develope with |
| 16:41.36 | Kyusaku | oh you want to bypass firstuse |
| 16:41.47 | woody_ | yes |
| 16:41.53 | woody_ | a sprint pre |
| 16:42.50 | Kyusaku | well the first part of the makefile should tell you which option does what |
| 16:43.08 | Kyusaku | you have to scroll down to the options you need to uncomment |
| 16:43.23 | woody_ | remove the# |
| 16:43.48 | Kyusaku | yeah after all the big paragraphs |
| 16:44.09 | Kyusaku | you should see a short list of options described in those paragraphs |
| 16:44.19 | woody_ | ok |
| 16:44.29 | woody_ | after that its smooth sailing? |
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| 16:44.59 | Kyusaku | don't uncomment the paragraphs |
| 16:45.14 | Kyusaku | just the options in that short list that you want like bypass firstuse |
| 16:45.46 | Kyusaku | I am installing cygwin on my laptop now just to make sure |
| 16:45.56 | woody_ | ok |
| 16:48.20 | Kyusaku | sorry it's taking a bit, I'm on UNI wifi via a VPN |
| 16:48.45 | woody_ | no p[roblem |
| 16:48.45 | Kyusaku | can you do me a favor |
| 16:48.51 | Kyusaku | while the wait |
| 16:49.06 | Kyusaku | because this wget in 1 minute makes me a little suspicious |
| 16:49.24 | woody_ | it wasnt a minuet |
| 16:49.30 | woody_ | it took a long time to dl |
| 16:49.34 | Kyusaku | oh ok |
| 16:49.45 | Kyusaku | because you told me about the git clone error one minute |
| 16:49.52 | Kyusaku | then talking about gedit |
| 16:49.54 | Kyusaku | the next minute |
| 16:50.29 | Cranimesao | Kyusaka: Still no luck, same error |
| 16:50.34 | woody_ | wher itsays make carrie=sprint unpack patch i change that in the makefile |
| 16:52.52 | Kyusaku | nah |
| 16:53.03 | Kyusaku | so you have the makefile open in wordpad right |
| 16:53.11 | woody_ | yes |
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| 16:53.24 | Kyusaku | scroll down to where it says "START OF AREA FOR END USER CHANGES" |
| 16:54.14 | woody_ | i did |
| 16:54.33 | Kyusaku | uncomment bypass activation |
| 16:55.06 | woody_ | did |
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| 16:56.37 | Kyusaku | you could also comment touch ran first use, enable firstuse wifi |
| 16:56.48 | woody_ | ok did those too |
| 16:57.11 | Kyusaku | and make firstuse visible(if you want to make a palm profile for the pre sometime in the future |
| 16:57.42 | woody_ | ok |
| 16:57.53 | woody_ | change the carrier 2 |
| 16:57.58 | Kyusaku | no |
| 16:58.59 | Kyusaku | you don't have to, because the "make CARRIER=sprint unpack patch pack" thing will change that |
| 16:59.20 | woody_ | ok |
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| 16:59.40 | Kyusaku | you could change it to be safe |
| 16:59.59 | Kyusaku | otherwise, save and close |
| 17:00.04 | Kyusaku | go back to cygwin |
| 17:00.20 | Kyusaku | and do that make command with CARRIER=sprint unpatch pack |
| 17:00.37 | Kyusaku | err unpack patch pack |
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| 17:02.00 | woody_ | it says make:**** no rule to make target unpack stop |
| 17:03.00 | Kyusaku | wth |
| 17:03.02 | Kyusaku | hmmm |
| 17:03.12 | Kyusaku | I never had that error |
| 17:03.16 | Kyusaku | lemme see |
| 17:03.38 | Kyusaku | did you change that part of the makefile |
| 17:03.46 | Kyusaku | with nthe carrier? |
| 17:03.52 | woody_ | to sprint |
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| 17:05.12 | Kyusaku | hmmm.... |
| 17:05.29 | Kyusaku | what is the full error message |
| 17:05.59 | Kyusaku | like it should describe and mention a file or directory |
| 17:06.31 | woody_ | make: *** No rule to make target 'unpack. stop.' |
| 17:07.02 | Kyusaku | oh hmmm |
| 17:07.12 | Kyusaku | I don't think you're in the right directory |
| 17:07.18 | Kyusaku | can you do an ls |
| 17:08.04 | Kyusaku | I think you missed step 1 in "running meta-doctor" |
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| 17:08.38 | woody_ | i was supposed to be in meta-doctor directory |
| 17:08.42 | Kyusaku | which says "navigate to the meta-doctor directory in terminal |
| 17:08.47 | Kyusaku | yeah |
| 17:08.53 | Kyusaku | in cygwin |
| 17:09.59 | drnull | azakus: ping |
| 17:10.20 | Kyusaku | woody_: did you get it working? Is it building the new doctor image? |
| 17:10.33 | woody_ | i did it but it says download the correct webos doctor .jar file |
| 17:10.52 | Kyusaku | ahhhh |
| 17:11.09 | Kyusaku | what did you name the doctor file to? |
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| 17:11.43 | Kyusaku | and what doctor version did you download? |
| 17:11.55 | woody_ | i just renamed it 1.4.0 |
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| 17:12.33 | Kyusaku | webosdoctorp100ewwsprint-1.4.0.jar? |
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| 17:12.44 | Kyusaku | or just 1.4.0.jar? |
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| 17:13.21 | z33 | hi all |
| 17:13.23 | woody_ | it really only said |
| 17:13.49 | Kyusaku | ? |
| 17:13.53 | woody_ | webosdoctorp100ewwwsprint |
| 17:14.03 | z33 | i think my pre modem is bricked |
| 17:14.11 | en0x | take it back to sprint |
| 17:14.25 | Kyusaku | right but you're suppose to add the version number to the end of the filename |
| 17:14.26 | z33 | yeah i plan to take it back to )2 |
| 17:14.26 | woody_ | when i downlaoded it but i went to the 1.4.0 web site |
| 17:14.29 | z33 | *O2 |
| 17:15.18 | Kyusaku | woody_: can you do "cd downloads" and then do "ls" and tell me the filename? |
| 17:15.40 | destinal | z33: did you ever modify your modem firmware somehow or was it some kind of failed flash? |
| 17:15.45 | destinal | (originally) |
| 17:15.59 | z33 | it happened when i updated to 1.4 |
| 17:16.09 | z33 | evreything worked fine, except i was unable to make calls |
| 17:16.28 | woody_ | to say webosdoctorp100ewwsprint-1.4.0it says webosdoctorp100ewwsprint-1.4.0.jar |
| 17:16.29 | z33 | tried upgrading then downgrading, still had the same error |
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| 17:16.39 | z33 | then i tried to flash just the modem |
| 17:16.45 | z33 | which i got sucessfull |
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| 17:17.09 | z33 | but when i used webosdoctor it still crashed out trying to flash the modem |
| 17:17.11 | destinal | z33: did you try downgrading the modem firmware by hand back to the previous version? |
| 17:17.18 | z33 | so round 58% it died |
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| 17:17.44 | z33 | i used the castleutmsfw.tar from 1.3.1 |
| 17:17.46 | Kyusaku | woody_: and the doctor version is actually 1.4.0 correct? |
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| 17:17.52 | woody_ | yes |
| 17:18.12 | destinal | z33: I'd try manually downgrading the firmware and make sure it took and see if the phone works on 1.3.5 as a phone properly |
| 17:18.41 | Kyusaku | woody_: I might have to go home and do this to test meta-doctor or wait for rod since he maintains the meta-doctor git |
| 17:18.45 | egaudet_work | timofalltrades: ping |
| 17:18.52 | woody_ | ok |
| 17:18.57 | destinal | z33: if that worked I'd probably modify my doctor to take out the firmware flashing capability and try just the newer os |
| 17:19.10 | Kyusaku | woody_: because everything seems like it should work |
| 17:19.12 | z33 | yeah i was thining along that lines |
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| 17:19.29 | z33 | destinal: how would i do that |
| 17:19.37 | Kyusaku | woody_: I haven't tested it on 1.4.0 yet |
| 17:19.47 | z33 | destinal: right now the phone boots and says the phone has an unrecoverable error |
| 17:20.03 | woody_ | ill tryto download another 1.4.0 and chage the name on that one and see what happens |
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| 17:20.18 | Kyusaku | no |
| 17:20.20 | Kyusaku | don't |
| 17:20.20 | destinal | z33: I don't know what it takes to force reverting to the old firmware -- usually when it's run by doctor there's a check to make sure the version you want to apply is newer than the one already on the device |
| 17:20.37 | Kyusaku | woody_: those other doctors have different phone modem firmwares |
| 17:20.59 | destinal | z33: then again -- maybe I misremember, the doctor may force application every time by default |
| 17:21.03 | woody_ | oh ook |
| 17:21.09 | Kyusaku | lemme check the meta doctor thread before I start heading home to try this |
| 17:21.17 | z33 | destinal: might be the reason whay its fails at 58% |
| 17:22.00 | z33 | even tried a sprint firmware with act disabled, this time was sucessful, but once booted the "phone cant not be recovered error" |
| 17:22.02 | destinal | z33: you can always do any of the steps in the doctor by hand if you know what the command line to do them is. you can use novacom boot to boot the installer image and then novaterm in |
| 17:22.32 | Kyusaku | woody_: ok heading home, I should be back in about 45mins. Is that cool? |
| 17:22.33 | destinal | z33: the activation disabled does not by default disable the modem checking (though you can do that) |
| 17:22.46 | woody_ | yeah |
| 17:22.48 | z33 | yeah tried that last night and got it up, flashed the modem firware and worked 100% though only took a min ish |
| 17:22.58 | Kyusaku | allright bbiab |
| 17:23.01 | woody_ | i think thats not the whole file because it only 80mb |
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| 17:24.05 | destinal | z33: does 1.3.5 work at the moment? |
| 17:24.11 | z33 | will have to extract an older castleutmsfw.tar from somewhere and try flash it |
| 17:24.15 | z33 | destinal: nope |
| 17:24.23 | z33 | destinal: nothing works |
| 17:24.54 | z33 | destinal: i can novaterm i can see the file system, i can watch it flash via terminal, |
| 17:25.37 | z33 | destinal: but when it fails, i boot to webos and the phone can not be recoved error, no signal bars or phone offline notice |
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| 17:26.54 | egaudet_work | what's failing? |
| 17:27.22 | z33 | egaudet_work: webosdoctor does |
| 17:27.24 | woody_ | it was the wrong file |
| 17:27.32 | woody_ | i got it working |
| 17:27.52 | z33 | egaudet_work: it fails trying to flash the modem firmware |
| 17:28.25 | egaudet_work | that's not good |
| 17:28.54 | MLJ | Is there a resource that explains how to create a patch? I have a very simple patch I want to create... it changes the number of bookmarks for the browser. The only part that needs to change is 2 numbers from a .js file... example: "this._maxShowCount = 12" to this._maxShowCount = "99" |
| 17:29.17 | z33 | egaudet_work: nope, but when it does boot it comes up with this phone can not be recoverd |
| 17:29.52 | z33 | but i can manually flash the modem firmware castleutmsfw.tar from 1.3.5.2 and its comes up as sucessfull |
| 17:30.17 | zsoc_wirc | MLJ: man gnu diff |
| 17:30.46 | egaudet_work | C:\ man gnu diff ERROR: what? |
| 17:31.24 | destinal | z33: so, I'd try redoing your manual flash from the installer image like you did |
| 17:31.37 | destinal | z33: then modify webos doctor to skip modem flash entirely. check out metadoctor |
| 17:32.28 | destinal | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:32.29 | MLJ | zsoc_wirc: that means nothing to me... the last type of any coding I did was in visual basics... years ago. Perhaps there is a very simple patch file that I could edit, to create mine? |
| 17:32.31 | z33 | destinal: good thinking will try that when i get home tonight, |
| 17:32.52 | z33 | destinal: yeah, thing is i got it from ebay |
| 17:32.57 | z33 | lol |
| 17:33.39 | destinal | z33: ah. well them some workarounds may be sensible. I wonder if someone who had it before you may have modified the modem somehow |
| 17:34.35 | egaudet_work | MLJ: google or Jason's Diff Creator |
| 17:34.41 | zsoc_wirc | MLJ: gnu diff is a utility. how the utility works and how to use it can be found by googling gnu diff |
| 17:34.54 | MLJ | Will do thanks. |
| 17:34.54 | z33 | i think they might have, cos when i bought it was experienceing similar symptoms, ie signal will be up but not beiing able to call out etc |
| 17:35.05 | zsoc_wirc | egaudet_work: are you kidding me? something exists called 'jason's diff creator'? |
| 17:35.10 | z33 | destinal: but i webosdeoctured it and worked fine |
| 17:35.18 | z33 | till 1.4 came and killed it |
| 17:36.00 | mjkjr|wirc | MLJ, I believe there is a patch already made called "change number of bookmarks..." |
| 17:36.07 | destinal | zsoc_wirc: Jason calls it Unified Diff Creator (http://forums.precentral.net/canuck-software/210781-unified-diff-creator.html) |
| 17:36.21 | egaudet_work | "Unified Diff Creator" |
| 17:36.52 | egaudet_work | helping windows users make patches without ever needing to know what that means :P |
| 17:36.52 | mjkjr|wirc | MLJ, lets you have up to 100 |
| 17:37.33 | MLJ | mjkjr|wirc: well that takes the fun out of it.... I suppose I'll check into the Dif Creator now that I'm interested. |
| 17:37.34 | egaudet_work | MLJ: http://forums.precentral.net/canuck-software/210781-unified-diff-creator.html Should be straightforward for a one file quick change |
| 17:37.51 | egaudet_work | but if you have linux, I suggest open a terminal and type "man diff" |
| 17:37.56 | egaudet_work | and then "man patch" |
| 17:38.22 | destinal | egaudet: why we needed another tool with all these (http://drupal.org/node/324) already extant is another question |
| 17:39.00 | z33 | thanks for the help destinal will be on later to report.. lets see if i can get this semi brick up working again |
| 17:39.18 | MLJ | egaudet_work: yep looks straight forward... I'll give it a quick shot and see if it comes out the same as 'jmartino's" patch (which is already created) |
| 17:39.23 | egaudet_work | destinal: I don't know |
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| 17:39.43 | egaudet_work | I guess Jason and others weren't aware of alternatives |
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| 17:41.01 | z33 | see ya all |
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| 17:47.20 | MLJ | egaudet_work: So I used Jason's Diff Creator... all appears to be well. I then compared it with the patch (that I didn't know was already created) from http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-patches/1.4.0/... The latter seems to be encrypted as its not clearly veiwable via Notepad ++. Is that becuase a linux machine compiled it for the feeds? |
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| 17:47.57 | redmafia | precentral.net :D |
| 17:48.01 | destinal | MLJ: doesn't make sense -- patches are text |
| 17:48.17 | egaudet_work | MLJ: that link is to ipk's |
| 17:48.19 | egaudet_work | not patch files |
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| 17:48.30 | egaudet_work | patches are packaged up with AUPT technology |
| 17:48.35 | egaudet_work | the .patch files are in gitorious |
| 17:48.53 | egaudet_work | http://gitorious.org/webos-internals/modifications |
| 17:48.57 | destinal | egaudet_work: AUPT technology is like ATM machine and PIN number ? :P |
| 17:49.09 | MLJ | Oh, your right it is a .ipk. Ok so in the future If I create a patch, I submit it to you all in .patch format and you do the rest? |
| 17:49.19 | egaudet_work | without money or a pin number :P |
| 17:49.22 | destinal | automated teller machine machine |
| 17:49.27 | zsoc_wirc | autopatch technology :) |
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| 17:49.31 | destinal | personal identification number number |
| 17:49.41 | zsoc_wirc | MLJ: yes, we are the packaging monkies |
| 17:49.42 | egaudet_work | oh i see yea |
| 17:49.50 | egaudet_work | AUPTechnology |
| 17:49.56 | spotter | zsoc_wirc, any progress on the gstreamer wma? |
| 17:50.14 | spotter | my pre has been replaced so can test again |
| 17:50.14 | zsoc_wirc | spotter: oh! yes. it works. |
| 17:50.29 | zsoc_wirc | spotter: just buffer issues.. so some skipping |
| 17:50.43 | zsoc_wirc | spotter: and again, no tagging support |
| 17:50.56 | spotter | zsoc_wirc, so doesn't appear in pre media player? |
| 17:51.37 | zsoc_wirc | spotter: sure it does, but only as the full file name, no tagging (so no sorting) |
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| 17:52.44 | n00b4life | hello |
| 17:52.45 | spotter | tagging possible? |
| 17:52.49 | spotter | or probably not |
| 17:53.12 | n00b4life | what is the command to mount as rw? mount -o, /rw |
| 17:53.51 | cal__ | what is preware 'fixing unknown packages' about? i think mine is doing it on the same packages every time I start it. |
| 17:56.02 | egaudet_work | cal__: packages that aren't in any active feeds |
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| 17:56.15 | egaudet_work | will read the metadata from the device |
| 17:56.17 | spotter | zsoc_wirc, presumambly there's some id3 parsing code in the pre |
| 17:56.27 | spotter | if it was extended to understand other types, would it work? |
| 17:56.28 | egaudet_work | n00b4life: mount -o rw,remount / |
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| 17:57.02 | n00b4life | ty but I just remembered |
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| 17:57.19 | spotter | is downloading 1.4 but waiting for fb to finish initial sync so he can reboot phone |
| 17:57.48 | punzada-m | the new updated facebook app won't install for me |
| 17:57.55 | punzada-m | it's fairly upsetting |
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| 18:02.00 | cal__ | egaudet: if i download them from a particular feed and then turn the slider to off for that feed, could they show up like that? |
| 18:02.15 | cal__ | because a couple of the feeds i dont want on all the time |
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| 18:03.14 | haigreen | Hello!! :) |
| 18:03.29 | haigreen | Now that ive downladed preware.... what next?? |
| 18:05.07 | mjkjr|wirc | haigreen: read www.webos-internals.org/wiki/application:preware |
| 18:06.30 | oilsworkn | what do you mean, whats next? |
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| 18:07.40 | haigreen | Thanks mjkjr|wirc! |
| 18:08.44 | zsoc_wirc | spotter: the answer is yes, but only if the fileindexer is opensourced, OR someone develops an oss alternative |
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| 18:10.16 | MLJ | Alright, thanks for today's tips all... I'm out... oh wait, egaudet_work: Preware 0.9.29 shows paid apps, even when the toggle is set to only show free apps. (if you weren't already aware). |
| 18:10.31 | spotter | zsoc_wirc, is it a luna/dbus client? |
| 18:10.41 | spotter | if so, shouldn't it be fairly easy to reverse engineer? |
| 18:10.51 | spotter | i.e. just watch what it sends/recieves over the wire so to speak |
| 18:11.14 | zsoc_wirc | spotter: thank you for the dbus lesson :p |
| 18:11.20 | zsoc_wirc | spotter: and no it is not |
| 18:11.52 | spotter | was that to easy or luna/dbus? |
| 18:11.54 | zsoc_wirc | spotter: it indexes everything in /media/internal, and organizes it in mediadb3.db (or something similar) based on filetype and metadata |
| 18:12.01 | zsoc_wirc | luna/dbus |
| 18:12.23 | spotter | zsoc_wirc, is that a sqlite db? |
| 18:12.24 | zsoc_wirc | it's basically an automated sql table generator |
| 18:12.28 | zsoc_wirc | yes |
| 18:12.29 | spotter | could we just overwrite it? |
| 18:12.32 | zsoc_wirc | yes |
| 18:12.41 | spotter | so is that a sort of solution |
| 18:12.48 | zsoc_wirc | or just stop the service which runs the current one |
| 18:12.53 | zsoc_wirc | or replace the current one |
| 18:12.58 | zsoc_wirc | none of that is the problem |
| 18:13.03 | egaudet_work | cal__: yes if you disable the feed it will "fix unknown package" and read the data from device. don't worry about that, it has to get metadata so it's either from feed or device |
| 18:13.04 | spotter | so, what is.... |
| 18:13.17 | zsoc_wirc | the problem is developin the replacement. I have no experience with a flow like this |
| 18:13.56 | zsoc_wirc | right now we need handlers for id3, vorbis comments, and whatever wma uses |
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| 18:18.54 | zsoc_wirc | spotter: apparently I was dc/ed, not sure what the last thing you got was |
| 18:18.59 | Kyusaku | back |
| 18:19.05 | oilsworkn | "right now we need handlers..." |
| 18:19.27 | zsoc_wirc | yep that's the last thing I said |
| 18:19.40 | zsoc_wirc | spotter: I did not see your reply since that |
| 18:20.08 | oilsworkn | he didn't |
| 18:20.11 | azakus | drnull: pong? |
| 18:22.06 | spotter | no reply |
| 18:22.09 | spotter | been away |
| 18:22.20 | spotter | I dont think a replacment program should be so hard |
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| 18:24.18 | drnull | azakus: just posted over in the jstop thread instead of trying to catch ya here. Just an issue with the appid regex, if it has a - in it, it fails |
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| 18:24.39 | oilsworkn | lol |
| 18:25.27 | oilsworkn | thinks he may be responsible for that |
| 18:26.00 | azakus | drnull: ah, noted |
| 18:26.27 | drnull | azakus: and since drPodder is such a memory hog, I *really* need jstop to let me know how bad it is. :) |
| 18:26.29 | Kyusaku | woody_: you around? |
| 18:26.39 | woody_ | yup |
| 18:27.00 | woody_ | it completed but the acticvation screen still comes up |
| 18:27.10 | Kyusaku | woody_: ok I'm setting up cygwin to verify if meta-doctor doesn't work with 1.4.0 |
| 18:27.57 | oilsworkn | drnull: i've always seen drpodder in the list |
| 18:28.18 | oilsworkn | it inaccurately thinks its a palm app, but its still listed |
| 18:28.38 | drnull | oilsworkn: aye, but when I updated the appid (from com.palm.drnull.drpodder to com.drnull.drpodder-hb) in anticipation of a catalog release, it started breaking jstop. |
| 18:28.52 | oilsworkn | ah |
| 18:29.21 | oilsworkn | when was it changed to .drpodder from .prepod? |
| 18:29.49 | spotter | zsoc_wirc, I think gstreamer should handle it all automatically |
| 18:29.55 | drnull | oilsworkn: hmm, actually maybe I never switched from com.palm.drnull.prepod to ...drpodder because I didn't want people to lose their db. |
| 18:30.01 | oilsworkn | ah |
| 18:30.08 | oilsworkn | ok, i was about to see if i had an old version |
| 18:30.39 | spotter | zsoc_wirc, see http://pastebin.com/auGsxdBG for wma |
| 18:30.54 | zsoc_wirc | spotter: huh? how would gstreamer handle tagging in the music app |
| 18:30.56 | oilsworkn | oh, i am, im on 048 and its up to 051 on a different appid |
| 18:30.58 | drnull | oilsworkn: you do. :) If you haven't upgraded in the last... oh, 30 minutes. But even so, back on 2/14 I released com.drnull.drpodder-hb. |
| 18:30.59 | zsoc_wirc | that doesn't make sense |
| 18:31.23 | spotter | no, I mean gstreamer can give us all info |
| 18:31.24 | drnull | oilsworkn: yeah, I get the feeling changing the appid while leaving it the same program might have confused preware as well... |
| 18:31.27 | spotter | don't need to write handlers |
| 18:31.41 | spotter | same code will dump tags for mp3, wma, ogg... |
| 18:31.45 | oilsworkn | drnull: it groups by appid, so i just see two drpodders |
| 18:32.07 | drnull | good, that makes sense I guess. |
| 18:32.16 | Kyusaku | woody_: it's building for me |
| 18:32.20 | azakus | drnull: yeah I know where the regex fail is |
| 18:32.25 | azakus | testing my fix |
| 18:32.42 | spotter | zsoc_wirc, you see what I pasted? |
| 18:32.43 | woody_ | it built but |
| 18:32.49 | oilsworkn | yeah, that regex wasn't the best to begin with :) |
| 18:32.50 | woody_ | it didnt install the changes |
| 18:33.09 | Kyusaku | what do you mean? |
| 18:33.39 | Kyusaku | did you use the doctor image that was in the build directory? |
| 18:34.18 | drnull | Has anybody else had trouble with Windows deciding it doesn't want to talk to the Pre anymore? Seems like if I pull the plug and reconnect sometimes I'll get: "palm-log: no devices found" until I reboot (or reinstall the sdk). Additionally, it seems like I'm always having to go into device manager and disable/reenable "Linux USB Ethernet/RNDIS Gadget" because I won't get an IP address. Is it just me? (does this on both of my |
| 18:35.22 | oilsworkn | i actually haven't hooked my pre up to my new win7 install yet |
| 18:35.33 | oilsworkn | but that never happened on xp |
| 18:35.40 | Kyusaku | I use win7 and never had that happen |
| 18:35.47 | Mercury | So, is there a good way to restore stuff from the sqlite DBs if I back them up prior to a full phone erase? |
| 18:35.56 | Kyusaku | but I'm not disconnecting and reconnecting it like 100 times |
| 18:36.03 | zsoc_wirc | spotter: I don't get it. you want a service that runs every file through decodebin and then somehow awks the data into a sqllite database? |
| 18:36.06 | oilsworkn | and why not? |
| 18:36.27 | zsoc_wirc | spotter: you're either getting at something awesome or stupid, and I can't figure out which yet |
| 18:36.31 | woody_ | yes i di |
| 18:36.35 | woody_ | did |
| 18:36.38 | Kyusaku | .... |
| 18:36.44 | oilsworkn | drnull: so the change in appid destroys my database? |
| 18:36.47 | Kyusaku | I guess I'll doctor my pre |
| 18:36.51 | Kyusaku | to help you out |
| 18:37.03 | woody_ | i ran all the way through and all but it shows the same screen |
| 18:37.08 | spotter | well, not running each file through system |
| 18:37.16 | spotter | call gstreamer libs directly and get the tag data out of it |
| 18:37.27 | spotter | and yes, iterate over every file |
| 18:37.36 | spotter | i.e. replace the service like you said, with our own |
| 18:37.45 | spotter | as long as we understand the db format, don't think it should be so hard |
| 18:37.53 | drnull | oilsworkn: well, no, it just installs a new app so the db doesn't get copied over. 0.4.8 can be running along beside 0.5.1/0.5.3 though. |
| 18:38.18 | Kyusaku | woody_: can you send me your makefile I want to make sure you uncommented everything correctly |
| 18:38.22 | zsoc_wirc | spotter: I don't see how that is logistically possible. please forgive me if you are a gst dev but I'm unsure about this |
| 18:38.43 | zsoc_wirc | spotter: it is a very good idea tho, because obviously gst already handles tags of every type |
| 18:38.55 | drnull | oilsworkn: there were enough changes to how downloaded files were handled that I had to blow away the db... deletes are handed by the downloadmanager now, and that requires storing the download ticket ID, which I didn't do in the past. Nevermind the fact that webOS would hand out duplicate tickets after a reboot (LOL) |
| 18:39.03 | spotter | I'd think we should be able to load each file |
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| 18:39.09 | spotter | extract tags from loaded file |
| 18:39.16 | spotter | and close file |
| 18:39.18 | spotter | and just iterate |
| 18:39.24 | drnull | oilsworkn: and when I say "blow away the db" I mean "not use the existing db and just require you to start over" :) |
| 18:39.31 | spotter | looking for a simple test gst app that I can test with |
| 18:39.37 | spotter | never coded anything gst |
| 18:39.53 | spotter | http://www.gstreamer.net/data/doc/gstreamer/head/manual/html/chapter-helloworld.html seems like a good start |
| 18:40.06 | zsoc_wirc | spotter: 'extract tags' from where? we would literally have to restart mediaserver in debug mode, or have a service that runs gst-launch, and awk everything. it's a hack unless there is a better option |
| 18:40.39 | drnull | Mercury: if you copy the .db files out of /media/internal/.app-storage, you can put them back after you do a full phone erase. It won't be simple, though, as the db name will have changed |
| 18:40.45 | oilsworkn | yeah, thats what i figured :) |
| 18:40.53 | zsoc_wirc | spotter: I am familiar with gstreamer development. I now understand you are suggesting a gstreamer application service for extraction. it is an interesting idea |
| 18:41.36 | spotter | perhaps w/ inotify support (assuming pre has it?) to see when stuff changes on "sd card" |
| 18:41.52 | woody_ | how do i do that |
| 18:42.09 | drnull | Mercury: for example, drPodder-hb's db is here on my Pre: /media/internal/.app-storage/file_.media.cryptofs.apps.usr.palm.applications.com.drnull.drpodder-hb_0/000000000000004a.db |
| 18:42.33 | zsoc_wirc | spotter: yes there is inotify support |
| 18:42.55 | oilsworkn | has been tempted to submit code to drpodder |
| 18:43.00 | drnull | Mercury: I could make a copy of that, but when I erased and reinstalled my apps, the db that drPodder creates might be 0000000000000039.db. So I'd have to copy my backed up 000000000000004a.db over top of 0000000000000039.db (when drPodder wasn't running, of course) |
| 18:43.16 | drnull | is ashamed of the code, and sad sometimes that it is open source |
| 18:43.30 | Kyusaku | woody_: oh you're using a webclient |
| 18:43.37 | oilsworkn | lol |
| 18:44.01 | Kyusaku | woody_: can you throw it up on the web somewhere like a dropbox or something |
| 18:44.06 | oilsworkn | there is just certain visual/display things that sometimes catch my eye |
| 18:44.20 | drnull | oilsworkn: what functionality is missing (well, what specific functionality from the large collection of missing functionality do you really miss) |
| 18:44.22 | woody_ | one minuet |
| 18:44.32 | oilsworkn | its functionality great |
| 18:44.37 | oilsworkn | its just little quirks i see |
| 18:44.44 | drnull | haha, it's just fugly :) |
| 18:44.51 | oilsworkn | like no scrollfade on the top of the main scene |
| 18:45.04 | drnull | Oh right, I remember seeing that in stylematters |
| 18:45.12 | oilsworkn | and the way the description scroller is on the playing scene |
| 18:45.16 | oilsworkn | where its a seperate scroller |
| 18:45.19 | oilsworkn | and sometimes the whole scene scrolls |
| 18:45.36 | oilsworkn | just little things like that i've been tempted to fix :) |
| 18:46.06 | drnull | Ahh, yes, that part is terrible. By all means... if you can fix that scrolling thing, please do. I was just trying to make sure the title and scrubber were always visible. |
| 18:46.33 | drnull | I think it probably looks terrible on the Pixi... :( |
| 18:48.02 | zsoc_wirc | spotter: so there may be a function for just extracting tags in gst... assuming this is doable, do you know anything about exporting tables to a databasein a C app? |
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| 18:49.08 | oilsworkn | yeah, i dont have a pixi so i can't speak to it |
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| 18:49.32 | oilsworkn | but with that scene specifically, i would make that header div position:fixed at the top |
| 18:49.42 | oilsworkn | then just put the content in the main part of the scene instead of its own scroller |
| 18:49.58 | spotter | zsoc_wirc, I can figure it out |
| 18:50.00 | spotter | didt it ages ago |
| 18:50.15 | oilsworkn | like i put in jstop when i did some of its css |
| 18:50.18 | oilsworkn | the header is stationary |
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| 18:50.26 | oilsworkn | but there is only the one scroller, the scene's scroller |
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| 18:53.21 | spotter | zsoc_wirc, I can't get the db off my pre at the moment, but if you can email me one, I can play around w/ some sqlite code on it |
| 18:53.34 | Mercury | drnull: But the DB ID is not embedded on the DB? Alright then. |
| 18:53.53 | Mercury | drnull: Thank you. |
| 18:56.14 | drnull | Mercury: hmm, correct. The ID is stored in one of Palm's databases (see "sqlite3 /var/palm/data/Databases.db 'select origin, name, path from databases;'" for details) |
| 18:56.37 | drnull | oilsworkn: I'll try that. Thanks! |
| 18:56.51 | oilsworkn | np |
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| 18:59.22 | haigreen | Can anyone tell me of any cool themes in palmware? |
| 18:59.24 | Mercury | drnull1: Then might I be able to modify Palm's database instead of renaming all the files? |
| 18:59.50 | oilsworkn | palmware? |
| 18:59.51 | oilsworkn | xD |
| 19:00.03 | drnull1 | Mercury: Danger is the only thing I can think of to respond to that with. :) |
| 19:00.09 | haigreen | lol preware! |
| 19:00.12 | haigreen | sorry |
| 19:00.16 | oilsworkn | i thought it was in /var/home/root/html5-databases/? |
| 19:00.31 | Mercury | drnull1: Screw it, I'm blowing away my whole phone at this point, what's the worst that can happen, I have to doctor it again? |
| 19:00.42 | oilsworkn | though i haven't looked since the switch to /media/internal |
| 19:00.45 | drnull1 | oilsworkn: I think that's where it is on the emulator, right? Or maybe that's the difference between ext and normal db's? |
| 19:00.53 | oilsworkn | idk |
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| 19:00.58 | oilsworkn | i do know i gotta figure out |
| 19:01.03 | oilsworkn | considering we have to add deleting them to preware |
| 19:01.14 | oilsworkn | currently any apps removed with it don't get their cookies or databases deleted |
| 19:01.31 | Mercury | oilsworkn: There is no /var/home/root/html5-databases/ on my phone. |
| 19:01.36 | oilsworkn | well then |
| 19:01.37 | drnull1 | oilsworkn: I bet there's a service for that. :) |
| 19:01.56 | oilsworkn | yeah, palms stuff |
| 19:02.01 | drnull1 | Oh nevermind, I forgot preware didn't go the com.palm route. |
| 19:02.13 | oilsworkn | though we may switch to it |
| 19:02.18 | drnull1 | heh |
| 19:02.33 | oilsworkn | now that they support postinst/prerem scripts |
| 19:02.39 | Mercury | Well, I think I have everything backed up, so, time to erase everything and start over. |
| 19:02.40 | drnull1 | Would have been my preference all along, as opposed to reinventing the wheel |
| 19:02.46 | Mercury | (And if that fails, replace the damn phone.) |
| 19:02.58 | oilsworkn | we had to go the ipkg route |
| 19:03.08 | oilsworkn | to do our own stuff, make "advanced" homebrew work |
| 19:03.24 | drnull1 | Right, I'm just being shortsighted and simplistic |
| 19:03.30 | oilsworkn | lol |
| 19:03.35 | drnull1 | :) |
| 19:03.37 | oilsworkn | but now their installer has scripts |
| 19:03.41 | oilsworkn | like we did |
| 19:03.45 | oilsworkn | so we might switch over |
| 19:04.04 | Mercury | Hmm, cryptofs, media_internal, opt, root, and var backed up. I think that's everything. |
| 19:04.07 | oilsworkn | as yet undecided |
| 19:04.14 | drnull1 | yeah, but then you're dependent on them, and let's not even get into how they massively change api's at the drop of a hat. |
| 19:04.19 | drnull1 | they're agile, that's for sure. |
| 19:04.19 | oilsworkn | yeah |
| 19:04.28 | oilsworkn | at least you're finally getting drpodder into the catalog |
| 19:04.43 | drnull1 | I'm just a little tweaked with the audio changes, don't mind me. I'm bitter. |
| 19:05.09 | drnull1 | Yes, as long as I don't have any more undocumented api's stuck in there anywhere. ;) |
| 19:05.31 | oilsworkn | i wonder if they actually audit all the code |
| 19:05.39 | en0x | :) |
| 19:05.44 | en0x | they grep '\ |
| 19:05.45 | en0x | ;] |
| 19:05.49 | oilsworkn | yeah, haha |
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| 19:06.17 | drnull1 | we shall see. :) I've never seen com.palm.downloadmanager/allow1x {"value":true} documented anywhere but I plan on using it. |
| 19:06.30 | oilsworkn | lol |
| 19:06.35 | en0x | hehe |
| 19:06.49 | en0x | i wonder what is the progress with NaNplayer |
| 19:06.50 | en0x | :0 |
| 19:07.20 | drnull1 | That's the whole mediadb thing. I think the problem there is that there was a com.palm.mediadb/deleteFile function that was . . . dangerous. :) |
| 19:07.21 | oilsworkn | that guy is too big of a baby |
| 19:07.36 | Mercury | Once my phone works reliably, I need to spend time on a patch to let me flag some contacts as ignoring the silence switch. (Possibly with a really silence switch in the device menu.) |
| 19:07.52 | drnull1 | Mercury: I think there's a patch for that? |
| 19:08.11 | Mercury | drnull1: Any memory of the name? Because I've been watching for one and not seeing it. |
| 19:08.18 | drnull1 | working on it |
| 19:08.42 | en0x | maemo has a nice feature... when u have the phone screen up and someone call you you can turn the phone screen down and it will silence itself |
| 19:08.49 | en0x | in the meaning it will mute the sound |
| 19:08.59 | drnull1 | http://forums.precentral.net/webos-patches/211255-patch-call-block-ignore.html |
| 19:09.05 | Mercury | wants to be able to get his work calls while he's on call, and not get woken up by other people while he's trying to sleep. |
| 19:09.16 | zsoc_wirc | spotter: gst_tag_list_new() |
| 19:09.23 | drnull1 | oh that's backwards, nevermind, Mercury |
| 19:09.27 | Mercury | drnull1: Yeah. |
| 19:09.29 | drnull1 | I'd like what you were mentioning too. :) |
| 19:09.46 | zsoc_wirc | Mercury: use google voice, make a white list and a time restriction |
| 19:09.53 | oilsworkn | waits for patch |
| 19:09.53 | nt4cats | zsoc: you stole my idea |
| 19:10.04 | Mercury | Once my phone actually starts admitting that it's getting phone calls again, I'll try to spend some time on it. |
| 19:10.11 | zsoc_wirc | nt4cats: which? gvoice? |
| 19:10.19 | spotter | zsoc_wirc, so its easy :) |
| 19:10.27 | Mercury | zsoc_wirc: That would work better if, for example, people didn't already _have_ my real cell number. |
| 19:10.29 | nt4cats | throws a rotten tomato at zsoc for stealing his gvoice recommendation |
| 19:10.42 | zsoc_wirc | spotter: hahaha like I said. I know nothing about creating tables |
| 19:10.46 | Mercury | zsoc_wirc: As they do, it doesn't help much. |
| 19:10.48 | spotter | zsoc_wirc, easy |
| 19:10.54 | Robi_ | or use batt saver and have it turn off the wifi/network while you're sleeping |
| 19:10.54 | spotter | sqlite does it itself |
| 19:11.00 | spotter | sqlite .dump <db file> |
| 19:11.10 | spotter | will dump it to screen |
| 19:11.13 | spotter | or > output |
| 19:11.14 | Mercury | Robi_: Nope, I _must_ receive calls from work while I'm on call. |
| 19:11.38 | spotter | anyways, we can talk tonight |
| 19:11.40 | Mercury | Robi_: Doesn't matter if it's 4am and I'm very asleep, those have to wake my ass up. :) |
| 19:11.40 | spotter | have to get some work done |
| 19:11.50 | azakus | drnull1: almost done |
| 19:11.57 | azakus | drnull: almost done |
| 19:12.06 | oilsworkn | lol |
| 19:12.07 | nt4cats | Mercury: do you have google voice? |
| 19:12.19 | Mercury | The spinning thinggy on the full erase on my phone isn't spinning any more. Why do I have a feeling that I should start downloading the doctor? |
| 19:12.24 | Robi_ | Mercury: then set up a home pbx that manages your calls |
| 19:12.31 | zsoc_wirc | spotter: er, I mean making tables from the gst app |
| 19:12.31 | Mercury | nt4cats: I think I have an account, but that's not the number people have. |
| 19:12.34 | drnull1 | had a stupid network outage so now has a split personality |
| 19:12.37 | Mercury | Robi_: My phone should be able to do this itself. :) |
| 19:12.46 | spotter | zsoc_wirc, sqlite has C interface |
| 19:12.49 | spotter | very easy to use |
| 19:12.52 | spotter | just feed sql commands ot it |
| 19:13.04 | Robi_ | Mercury: you'll have to write an app to do it then ;] |
| 19:13.08 | nt4cats | Mercury: well, Gvoice can be your PBX, and I'd have to imagine you can update your phone number on the list(s) at work ... |
| 19:13.24 | zsoc_wirc | spotter: ok, now the only obstacle is I'm not a programmer |
| 19:13.28 | Mercury | nt4cats: Harder to update the phone number in my mother in law's head though. :) |
| 19:13.32 | nt4cats | .. but I can see that if everyone already has your cell number that won't help if they dial it at 2a |
| 19:13.41 | nt4cats | Mercury: crack open her head and try |
| 19:13.43 | oilsworkn | thought zsoc was programmer master |
| 19:13.50 | Robi_ | just fwd all calls from your phone to GV |
| 19:14.02 | oilsworkn | though he never did get a viewfinder working in precorder xD |
| 19:14.02 | Mercury | Robi_: Well, a patch probably, since I'll have to muck with the logic dealing with the silence switch on recieving phone calls. |
| 19:14.07 | zsoc_wirc | oilsworkn: no I'm a hacker extraordinaire |
| 19:14.21 | oilsworkn | i thought that was someone else |
| 19:14.31 | azakus | drnull1: ok, working |
| 19:14.48 | oilsworkn | can't keep anything straight |
| 19:14.49 | drnull1 | azakus: cool, thanks! |
| 19:14.57 | azakus | [\w\.]+ -> [\S]+ |
| 19:15.07 | zsoc_wirc | oilsworkn: where do you live? we should go out for drinks :p |
| 19:15.17 | drnull1 | well that is a bigger hammer for sure. Should work. :) |
| 19:15.19 | oilsworkn | washington state |
| 19:15.39 | azakus | also I'm catching the exceptions if anything breaks now |
| 19:15.42 | nt4cats | Mercury: get a cheap pay-as-you-go plan phone from walmart and give that number to work. Turn off your pre at night. |
| 19:16.06 | spotter | zsoc_wirc, we can implement it as a shell script too :) |
| 19:16.09 | oilsworkn | OR, patch |
| 19:16.12 | nt4cats | err, give your gvoice number to work, use gvoice to ring your cheapie at night (it'll be on) and your regular cell during hte day |
| 19:16.13 | spotter | but I'll take a look at it to night |
| 19:16.44 | Mercury | nt4cats: Again, I'd rather write the patch. My last phone could do this just fine. |
| 19:16.45 | zsoc_wirc | spotter: ok, let me catch up with ajames, he's supposed to already be working on something similar and I don't want to duplicate work |
| 19:16.58 | spotter | no problem |
| 19:17.00 | oilsworkn | 45 more mins here at work before lunch? |
| 19:17.05 | oilsworkn | i may fall asleep before then |
| 19:17.38 | azakus | ok new "feature" of jstop. If your appId isn't caught by my regex You get "BORKED" as your processname in the list |
| 19:17.38 | nt4cats | oilsworkn: give me the external IPs of several machines at your employer's facility. I'll make sure you don't fall asleep. |
| 19:17.59 | oilsworkn | azakus: nice |
| 19:18.06 | oilsworkn | nt4cats: id rather sleep |
| 19:18.39 | drnull1 | azakus: haha, thanks for fixing my appid so people won't start referring to drPodder as BORKED. |
| 19:19.02 | nt4cats | Wow, oilsworkn's employer has a gibson! |
| 19:19.04 | PuffTheMagic_ | Who here has seen Archer? |
| 19:19.34 | oilsworkn | eh? |
| 19:20.02 | PuffTheMagic_ | its a cartoon on FX |
| 19:20.10 | PuffTheMagic_ | its fucking hilarious |
| 19:20.24 | PuffTheMagic_ | i think the people that did Aqua Teen make Archer |
| 19:20.27 | PuffTheMagic_ | idk i havet looked yet though |
| 19:22.03 | oilsworkn | yeah, i haven't seen it |
| 19:22.44 | oilsworkn | actually, i can't remember the last time i watched a cartoon |
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| 19:25.01 | Mitalis | Anybody use the "Enter key for new line" patch? |
| 19:25.07 | Mitalis | I don't think it's working. |
| 19:25.11 | mjkjr|wirc | not even "adult" cartoons? ie family guy |
| 19:25.39 | oilsworkn | oh, i forgot about family guy |
| 19:25.51 | zsoc_wirc | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:25.56 | oilsworkn | lol |
| 19:25.59 | mjkjr|wirc | mitalis, you are correct, just tested |
| 19:26.10 | azakus | pushed jstop 0.1.1 |
| 19:26.10 | oilsworkn | someone complain to dbsooner |
| 19:26.25 | Mitalis | I take it he's afk? |
| 19:26.41 | timofalltrades | azakus - you're jstop? kudos - that's good stuff |
| 19:26.58 | oilsworkn | he is jstop |
| 19:27.09 | azakus | I AM THE LAW |
| 19:27.10 | Mitalis | I <3 Jstop |
| 19:27.10 | azakus | :P |
| 19:27.18 | timofalltrades | lol |
| 19:27.23 | mjkjr|wirc | azakus, thanks |
| 19:27.33 | oilsworkn | he's in ur pre killin ur apps |
| 19:27.40 | oilsworkn | collectin ur garbage |
| 19:28.45 | Kyusaku | takin out the trash |
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| 19:29.02 | zsoc_wirc | azakus: how have you enjoyed your webos-internals experience? |
| 19:29.09 | mjkjr|wirc | wonders how he fits in there |
| 19:29.09 | azakus | very fun |
| 19:32.39 | en0x | so who said that "js" in app name breaks css? :P |
| 19:33.26 | oilsworkn | azakus did |
| 19:33.33 | oilsworkn | said it breaks loading external css files |
| 19:33.38 | en0x | yap just raise ur hand so I don't have to grep the logs ;) |
| 19:34.00 | oilsworkn | the fix was to inline the css in index |
| 19:34.04 | oilsworkn | er, in the scene rather |
| 19:34.07 | en0x | oh i see |
| 19:34.25 | en0x | ok and will somebody tell me why palm got rid of the forward gesture? :( it was so useful |
| 19:34.38 | oilsworkn | its still there |
| 19:34.46 | en0x | api changed? |
| 19:34.52 | oilsworkn | idk |
| 19:35.00 | oilsworkn | maybe the browser just doesn't use it anymore |
| 19:35.05 | en0x | so why it doesnt work in browser? or tweed? |
| 19:35.33 | en0x | anyway i have to make a poster for my room |
| 19:35.41 | oilsworkn | random |
| 19:35.42 | en0x | coz I got this cool idea |
| 19:35.51 | mjkjr|wirc | lol |
| 19:36.02 | drnull1 | oilsworkn: pretty sure the forward gesture is broken, yeah... |
| 19:36.14 | Kyusaku | yeah it's broken |
| 19:36.17 | oilsworkn | well i know the "advanced" forward gesture works |
| 19:36.21 | drnull1 | they've not done away with it, it's just broken. |
| 19:36.26 | en0x | I will put screen of brower running in webos and under it will say "yo dawg.... you wanted browser in browser so we created webOS" :D |
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| 19:36.50 | en0x | that would be a cool poster tho |
| 19:37.05 | oilsworkn | would it? |
| 19:37.09 | en0x | yap ;) |
| 19:37.40 | en0x | only for those who are running in "geek mode" |
| 19:37.41 | en0x | :) |
| 19:38.21 | oilsworkn | unfortunately the switch is broken? |
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| 19:39.13 | en0x | the advanced mode works it's just the forward gesture in app from center button to right swipe |
| 19:39.31 | en0x | similar to back gesture in app |
| 19:40.09 | drnull1 | um, advanced mode is swipe all the way across the gesture area, not from the center button, right? |
| 19:40.16 | oilsworkn | right |
| 19:40.17 | mjkjr|wirc | yes |
| 19:40.27 | oilsworkn | but with advanced mode off |
| 19:40.33 | oilsworkn | does a full forward swipe fo forward? |
| 19:40.38 | oilsworkn | s/fo/go/ |
| 19:40.50 | oilsworkn | ~botsmack |
| 19:40.51 | infobot | OWW! |
| 19:40.53 | Kyusaku | lol gorword |
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| 19:41.32 | mjkjr|wirc | awww |
| 19:41.39 | mjkjr|wirc | ~botsnack |
| 19:41.39 | infobot | mjkjr|wirc: :) |
| 19:41.54 | oilsworkn | dont give him treats, he's been a bad boy |
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| 19:42.45 | mjkjr|wirc | infobot: tell oilsworkn you are sorry |
| 19:43.13 | mjkjr|wirc | he said he wont |
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| 19:43.22 | oilsworkn | locks infobot in closet |
| 19:43.50 | en0x | lol and what u gonna do to it oilsworkn |
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| 19:44.06 | oilsworkn | nothing |
| 19:44.16 | en0x | they all say that |
| 19:44.36 | oilsworkn | just lock it in there and ignore its crys all day |
| 19:44.45 | en0x | ;] |
| 19:45.35 | mjkjr|wirc | ~lart oilsworkn |
| 19:45.35 | infobot | squishes oilsworkn like a bug |
| 19:45.52 | oilsworkn | lol |
| 19:46.52 | oilsworkn | ~lart infobot |
| 19:46.52 | infobot | makes a balloon animal out of oilsworkn |
| 19:47.01 | oilsworkn | well that backfired |
| 19:47.09 | mjkjr|wirc | lol |
| 19:47.39 | drnull1 | sorry, but it deserves it. |
| 19:47.40 | drnull1 | ~botsnack |
| 19:47.40 | infobot | aw, gee, drnull1 |
| 19:47.58 | mjkjr|wirc | ~hug oilsworkn |
| 19:47.59 | infobot | ACTION hugs oilsworkn tightly until oilsworkn turns slightly blue |
| 19:48.15 | mjkjr|wirc | see, he's sorry now |
| 19:49.11 | oilsworkn | goes to lunch |
| 19:55.09 | mjkjr|wirc | jacques, if you're in here, was it you that mentioned something about preware hanging on "fixing unknown packages" for you? |
| 20:00.19 | jacques | mjkjr|wirc: no, that wasn't me - might have been Mousey |
| 20:00.25 | Mousey | hmm? |
| 20:00.38 | Mousey | that went away |
| 20:00.51 | jacques | my kingdom for a USB A<->B cable |
| 20:04.31 | mjkjr|wirc | hmmm, just happens to me occasionally. then if I throw the card away and open preware again it's fine |
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| 20:05.53 | idontwan2know | Quick question regarding the messaging plugins install. |
| 20:06.10 | idontwan2know | In the instructions it says to "Close everything and log off messaging" |
| 20:06.10 | en0x | but ur nick says it all idontwan2know |
| 20:06.21 | en0x | [; |
| 20:06.26 | idontwan2know | lol |
| 20:06.41 | idontwan2know | Does closing the messsaging app suffice or is there something else I need to do? |
| 20:06.50 | en0x | closing the app should be ok |
| 20:06.58 | idontwan2know | okay, thanks |
| 20:07.29 | idontwan2know | The phrase "log off messaging" is a little unclear...I'll mention that in the thread |
| 20:11.47 | en0x | lol |
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| 20:16.03 | bougyman | terminal working with 1.4 yet? |
| 20:16.29 | en0x | no |
| 20:17.55 | idontwan2know | it implies that there's a service running in the background that you have to actively log out of |
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| 20:30.35 | FuMan | Sweet, Digloo is out :) |
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| 20:32.16 | en0x | yap |
| 20:32.23 | en0x | it looks gorgeus |
| 20:32.53 | en0x | anyway i preffer reddit |
| 20:33.11 | zsoc_wirc | ugh, something I agree with en0x on |
| 20:33.59 | Eguy | digg is crap. |
| 20:34.00 | zsoc_wirc | oil: what causes fix unknown packages to hang on occasion? |
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| 20:34.09 | FuMan | these days i also prefer reddit |
| 20:34.15 | FuMan | but, digloo was too slick not to jump on O_O |
| 20:34.52 | Eguy | Reddit is getting worse by the day though. All the trolls from digg and 4chan are joining ruining the site. |
| 20:35.32 | en0x | zsoc_wirc, ;d |
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| 20:36.22 | dBsooner | what? |
| 20:36.25 | dBsooner | complain to me for what? |
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| 20:36.40 | dBsooner | ~seen rwhitby |
| 20:36.45 | infobot | rwhitby is currently on #webos-internals #meego #nslu2-linux. Has said a total of 72 messages. Is idling for 6h 52m 35s, last said: 'and you can find the names and email addresses of the current translators in the commit log'. |
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| 20:36.54 | dBsooner | rwhitby: ping when you get here |
| 20:37.42 | dBsooner | Mitalis: Duh.. Enter Key for New Line is NOT listed as ported yet. |
| 20:37.53 | dBsooner | Read the item description of your 1.4.0-0 installed patch for it. |
| 20:38.07 | Eguy | dBsooner: Catching up on the day's activities? :P |
| 20:38.10 | dBsooner | It says, "This patch is currenlty not available. This is a palce holder." |
| 20:38.17 | dBsooner | Eguy: unfortunately. |
| 20:38.33 | dBsooner | It's disturbing that people don't read. |
| 20:38.47 | dBsooner | my threads is a bunch of copy pastes by me |
| 20:38.50 | Eguy | Reading is hard. |
| 20:39.09 | dBsooner | Answered this 5 posts again.. answered this 10 posts ago.. answered this IN THE PREVIOUS POST. |
| 20:39.12 | dBsooner | Those are my favs |
| 20:39.26 | dBsooner | the ones that post RIGHT after me (within an hour) asking the SAME thing I just answered. |
| 20:39.30 | halfhalo | your my favorite |
| 20:39.33 | halfhalo | OH SNAP |
| 20:40.10 | dBsooner | and I am so mad at palm |
| 20:40.25 | drnull1 | dBsooner: I want to hop on that train. |
| 20:40.57 | dBsooner | I see the rumors of 1.4.0 being "buggy as hell" prior to release are true.. |
| 20:41.00 | Eguy | Did ya'll know there was a Whitby class of frigates? |
| 20:41.04 | dBsooner | and oddly.. didn't get fixed prior to release. |
| 20:41.46 | dBsooner | i've missed 10 phone calls today |
| 20:41.52 | dBsooner | and 8 text messages |
| 20:41.53 | dBsooner | why? |
| 20:41.59 | dBsooner | because the phone app keeps locking up |
| 20:42.04 | Eguy | I miss calls because the phone app lags and uses all the ram up. |
| 20:42.05 | dBsooner | Luna keeps stealing all the memory |
| 20:42.07 | halfhalo | I don't think I get 10 calls a MONTH |
| 20:42.08 | dBsooner | yep |
| 20:42.23 | dBsooner | It;'s rediculous. |
| 20:42.24 | drnull1 | but they met their February deadline. :) |
| 20:42.32 | Eguy | I am about to switch to my Centro again. Even Palm OS is more reliable than webOS. |
| 20:42.42 | drnull1 | s/)/(/ |
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| 20:42.47 | Eguy | I'll be buying a new phone in June to get rid of my Pre :). |
| 20:43.12 | halfhalo | See, my clean pre has none of these issues |
| 20:43.14 | psykoz | really? I mean |
| 20:43.23 | psykoz | I had an iPod touch first gen which was the same as the first gen iPhone |
| 20:43.27 | psykoz | talking about buggy |
| 20:43.45 | loot- | my phone is hacked up like mad and i have 0 stability problems |
| 20:43.50 | Eguy | At least it didn't take 5 minutes to turn on ;) |
| 20:43.51 | psykoz | Palm will have a point release out the door shortly to wrap up some loose ends |
| 20:44.20 | halfhalo | Are we talking about loose ends as in bugs? Or loose ends as in people? |
| 20:44.25 | dBsooner | i noticed that its usually when I am doing a ton of stuff in luna that causes it to lock up |
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| 20:44.29 | dBsooner | Like I installed 10 apps from AC |
| 20:44.34 | Eguy | 1.4.1 will be out soon enough. |
| 20:44.34 | dBsooner | and it all of sudden decided to reboot |
| 20:44.44 | dBsooner | and when it did.. I got 5 text messages at one time |
| 20:44.54 | dBsooner | all were backlogged bc phone app was stuck |
| 20:45.16 | loot- | only weird things ive had happen to my phone |
| 20:45.29 | loot- | once the phone app hung... only one time though never did it again and it was fixed with just a reboot |
| 20:45.37 | loot- | and once the whole phone froze and i had to pull the battery |
| 20:45.42 | loot- | i never have app crashes |
| 20:45.44 | loot- | slowness |
| 20:45.45 | loot- | etc |
| 20:45.51 | dBsooner | well neither have I |
| 20:45.53 | Eguy | Sure, everything is fixed with a reboot but it shouldn't NEED that. |
| 20:45.58 | loot- | my phone is a battered war scarred veteran at this point also |
| 20:45.59 | dBsooner | and TBH.. those 2 things you had should NEVER happen |
| 20:46.01 | destinal | 1.4 is somewhat unstable for me |
| 20:46.21 | loot- | Eguy: ive only had to reboot my phone twice ever to "fix" something |
| 20:46.25 | dBsooner | loot-: I highly doubt its been through as much as mine |
| 20:46.26 | loot- | every other time it was for webos updates |
| 20:46.37 | Eguy | destinal: terminal? :P |
| 20:46.40 | destinal | I've had it lock and then stay at a black screen (not unlock) until reboot. |
| 20:46.48 | dBsooner | ive had mine since 6/6 and i have doctored at least 100 times |
| 20:46.57 | destinal | Eguy: No, terminal makes it crash completely :P |
| 20:47.02 | dBsooner | im loving the lock screen issue |
| 20:47.06 | halfhalo | I have doctored mine maybe.... 15 times since launch day |
| 20:47.08 | nt4cats | dBsooner: I think you've earned some sort of patch if you get to 100 |
| 20:47.16 | Eguy | I had the lock screen problem today. Had to reboot for that. |
| 20:47.27 | halfhalo | never had lock screen issues! |
| 20:47.31 | dBsooner | i get that at leat once a day |
| 20:47.36 | dBsooner | usually when its on the TS |
| 20:47.56 | loot- | hah good to know i have a good phone apparently |
| 20:47.59 | nt4cats | (and by "patch" I mean a decoration you sew onto a jacket) |
| 20:48.05 | halfhalo | to his Pre: Who's a good Pre! Your a good Pre! |
| 20:48.20 | dBsooner | Palm should have set a standard pricing structure |
| 20:48.23 | nt4cats | halfhalo: s/Your/You're/ |
| 20:48.27 | dBsooner | some of these apps are rediculously overpriced |
| 20:48.39 | oil | halfhalos pre bites off his finger |
| 20:48.44 | dBsooner | My app says, "Hello Daniel!" .. that's all it does.. |
| 20:48.49 | halfhalo | lol |
| 20:48.50 | dBsooner | and I am goingo to charge 3.99 for it |
| 20:48.54 | Eguy | Palm's a small company, they have made a lot of bad products, and it takes them a while to fix things. I'll be getting a HTC device next. |
| 20:48.56 | halfhalo | do it |
| 20:49.01 | nt4cats | dBsooner: I'd pay $6.99 for it |
| 20:49.07 | en0x | i would just make "I'm rich app" |
| 20:49.09 | loot- | i toyed with the idea of making my phone have "wargames" sound effects |
| 20:49.12 | idontwan2know | lol |
| 20:49.21 | nt4cats | dbSooner: how about a big gem stone that says "I'm rich" and charge $999.99 for it |
| 20:49.24 | dBsooner | did you all see BHL's new source of income? |
| 20:49.29 | idontwan2know | HTC is a big company that makes a lot of bad products that the NEVER fix. |
| 20:49.32 | dBsooner | 2.99 "John Doe Quotes" |
| 20:49.39 | halfhalo | yeah |
| 20:49.41 | dBsooner | s/John Doe/Who Ever/ |
| 20:49.48 | halfhalo | BH should be shot |
| 20:49.50 | halfhalo | with a gun |
| 20:49.53 | halfhalo | at close range |
| 20:49.55 | halfhalo | in the head |
| 20:50.07 | Eguy | idontwan2know: That's why you get the new model! |
| 20:50.19 | idontwan2know | ... |
| 20:50.46 | nt4cats | I wander if app spam is actually making BHL any money ... |
| 20:51.17 | halfhalo | of courrse it is |
| 20:51.22 | idontwan2know | I'm sure it is. |
| 20:51.23 | Eguy | If you are stupid enough to buy a BHL app, you deserve to be screwed. |
| 20:51.27 | halfhalo | s/courrse/course |
| 20:51.45 | Eguy | It's pretty much a web page in an app. |
| 20:52.00 | idontwan2know | at least they get the app count up |
| 20:52.22 | Eguy | It would be 30 without them. |
| 20:52.29 | halfhalo | no, its pretty much one app submitted over and over again with slight changes |
| 20:52.48 | nt4cats | I haven't read the terms -- but can you make a "hot naked babes showing it all" app and get it in Palm's catalog? |
| 20:53.09 | Eguy | Apparently. |
| 20:53.30 | halfhalo | sweet |
| 20:53.33 | halfhalo | someone get on that |
| 20:54.11 | Eguy | halfhalo: Once we get flash you can go on redtube and be happy. |
| 20:54.25 | halfhalo | but that isn't an app now is it? |
| 20:54.37 | halfhalo | See, an app will show up iphone users |
| 20:54.44 | Eguy | Someone will make it. |
| 20:55.06 | nt4cats | Eguy: there is no porn on the internet -- that's all a myth |
| 20:55.17 | halfhalo | like alaska/ |
| 20:55.22 | Eguy | nt4cats: No, there are no women on the internet. |
| 20:55.23 | halfhalo | ? |
| 20:55.30 | Eguy | That's a fact. |
| 20:55.55 | Mousey | wonders why WOQI won't see his pre |
| 20:56.14 | halfhalo | because it hates you? |
| 20:56.24 | Eguy | Who's hungry? http://i.imgur.com/kzoxU.jpg |
| 20:56.25 | nt4cats | Mousey: because you're a bad person? |
| 20:56.37 | Mousey | ;_; |
| 20:56.40 | nt4cats | Eguy: will that link get me/us fired if we click on it at work? |
| 20:56.47 | Eguy | Not at all. |
| 20:57.02 | halfhalo | it MIGHT make you throw up though |
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| 20:57.08 | Mousey | novaterm works, not novacomd |
| 20:57.11 | Mousey | ;_; |
| 20:57.17 | Mousey | novaterm works, not woqi |
| 20:57.18 | Mousey | i mean |
| 20:57.26 | Toaster23 | hey I have a preware issue |
| 20:57.44 | zsoc_wirc | Toaster23: too bad |
| 20:57.52 | Eguy | What a shame. |
| 20:57.55 | Toaster23 | after the latest update preware says I only have 5 packages installed :S |
| 20:57.57 | Mousey | sucks to be you! |
| 20:58.07 | zsoc_wirc | Eguy: no questionable content please |
| 20:58.17 | Eguy | zsoc_wirc: What? |
| 20:58.25 | nt4cats | zsoc: it was food |
| 20:58.32 | zsoc_wirc | nt4cats: oh. |
| 20:58.40 | zsoc_wirc | Eguy: sorry that's just surprising lol |
| 20:58.43 | halfhalo | it was disgusting food, but only food |
| 20:58.45 | Eguy | zsoc_wirc: Why don't you click before you scald ;) |
| 20:58.47 | nt4cats | zsoc: Eguy's link was safe for work -- I was worried because we had just been talking about porn |
| 20:59.00 | nt4cats | halfhalo: and by 'disgusting' you mean 'awesome' |
| 20:59.13 | nt4cats | I think we may try making that at work next week |
| 20:59.17 | halfhalo | no, I mean its only 10% bacon |
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| 20:59.57 | Eguy | That is sure to give you a heart att-ack-ack-ack-ack-ack |
| 21:00.26 | zsoc_wirc | Toaster23: do a feed update? |
| 21:00.35 | Toaster23 | Yeah I do still only 5 |
| 21:00.38 | Toaster23 | and 4 of them are weird |
| 21:00.54 | Toaster23 | it says: |
| 21:01.06 | Toaster23 | False vfalse - Unknown Date |
| 21:01.08 | Eguy | brb |
| 21:01.37 | Toaster23 | And then another one thats just grabled text. :P |
| 21:02.26 | Toaster23 | garbled* |
| 21:02.36 | zsoc_wirc | Toaster23: rwhitby and egaudet_work may be interested |
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| 21:03.21 | Toaster23 | I read on the forums you can do an ERU and it might fix it |
| 21:03.34 | Toaster23 | http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre/226074-preware-only-shows-6-installed-packages.html |
| 21:10.38 | Toaster23 | How do you run a linux app? :S |
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| 21:11.30 | rwhitby | morning |
| 21:12.29 | DaveE_ | afternoon |
| 21:12.43 | gkatsev | ~UGT |
| 21:12.44 | infobot | hmm... ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html |
| 21:13.18 | DaveE_ | forgive me, morning |
| 21:13.25 | drnull1 | but how can that apply? Rod is ALWAYS here. He never leaves. |
| 21:13.51 | gkatsev | drnull1: neither do i. but when we rejoin the channel. |
| 21:13.55 | gkatsev | "rejoin" |
| 21:14.21 | drnull1 | aye, I rarely exit myself. Just giving you a hard time. :) |
| 21:15.19 | DaveE_ | so you'll have to forgive me if this is the wrong place for this. I'm quite the newbie when it comes to IRC |
| 21:15.28 | gkatsev | DaveE_: its fine. |
| 21:15.55 | DaveE_ | I've got some trouble with a few Pre patches that I can't seem to remove or update... |
| 21:16.10 | DaveE_ | I've tried everything short of a full WebOS doctor |
| 21:16.33 | DaveE_ | any update or remove attempt ends up with the following error: |
| 21:16.35 | gkatsev | DaveE_: run EPR |
| 21:16.48 | DaveE_ | yup, tried ERP as well |
| 21:16.57 | DaveE_ | patches are still there |
| 21:17.01 | gkatsev | and EPR didnt fix it? |
| 21:17.09 | DaveE_ | not functioning, unremovable and un-updateable |
| 21:17.28 | DaveE_ | nope, ERP didn't do it |
| 21:18.06 | DaveE_ | does ERP create a log somewhere that shows what it did? |
| 21:18.36 | DaveE_ | sorry, I'v been fat fingering EPR, not ERP |
| 21:19.17 | rwhitby | egaudet: did we work out what filled timofalltrades's Pre ? |
| 21:20.06 | mjkjr|wirc | DaveE_: yes, you would need to put device into usb mode and you an see the log there |
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| 21:22.25 | DaveE_ | k, it looks like EPR compared the md5sums for the patch files and the sums were the same so EPR removed the original file. |
| 21:22.45 | mjkjr|wirc | DaveE_: sometimes it's just easier to backup, full erase, and then doctor |
| 21:23.10 | DaveE_ | yeah, I was hoping to avoid that, but I have done it before |
| 21:23.52 | DaveE_ | cool, we thanks for the info |
| 21:25.29 | rwhitby | drnull1: if I didn't say morning or night, then people wouldn't know whether I'm really here, or just reading them in backlog |
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| 21:36.12 | swisstomcat | hey |
| 21:36.14 | egaudet_work | rwhitby: no |
| 21:36.40 | swisstomcat | anyone here that did the german preware translations? i'm having problems with umlauts |
| 21:37.34 | swisstomcat | e.g button labels show ü instead of ü |
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| 21:37.49 | swisstomcat | rest of the text is ok tho |
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| 21:38.40 | rwhitby | oilsworkn: I commented out the new feed stuff in 0.9.30 alpha release, but will look at implementing the service part over the weekend. |
| 21:39.39 | rwhitby | oilsworkn: I also added passing the URL down - can you take a look at that and see if I've done it ok? |
| 21:40.22 | zsoc_wirc | rwhitby: the service part of adding a feed is just touching the file and appending it with sed, no? |
| 21:40.53 | rwhitby | zsoc_wirc: yep, wanna write it for me? |
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| 21:41.35 | zsoc_wirc | rwhitby: yeah, it uses that fancy java cmd execute method right? I can fancy a crack at it a bit later |
| 21:41.36 | oilsworkn | lol |
| 21:41.44 | oilsworkn | dont forget delete |
| 21:41.51 | oilsworkn | which is just rm filename |
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| 21:42.08 | rwhitby | zsoc_wirc: actually you only need to create or delete files, no sedding required |
| 21:42.22 | zsoc_wirc | oilsworkn: really? no! there must be a better way to REMOVE files! |
| 21:42.34 | rwhitby | (since oil's code will not allow someone to enter an existing name as the file to create) |
| 21:42.35 | halfhalo | Magnets |
| 21:42.37 | MetaView | rwhitby: from my build/unstable folder, I only commit the Makefile? |
| 21:42.57 | oilsworkn | right, it needs to block that, and turn spaces into _'s or something for the names |
| 21:43.00 | rwhitby | MetaView: build/unreleased/* yeah |
| 21:43.22 | zsoc_wirc | rwhitby: uh... what utility allows you to create a file containing arbitray text with no necessary interaction? |
| 21:43.28 | rwhitby | oilsworkn: spaces to hyphens would match what we have now better |
| 21:43.30 | MetaView | hm |
| 21:43.44 | oilsworkn | "or something" :) |
| 21:44.51 | oilsworkn | idk, do we really want zsoc stickin his fingers in there? |
| 21:44.57 | oilsworkn | kids |
| 21:45.10 | egaudet_work | the "error see ipkg log" has to go away |
| 21:45.28 | zsoc_wirc | oilsworkn: I'm not kidding. clearly this would be a 'learning experience' for me, certainly not _efficient_ for anyone |
| 21:45.29 | egaudet_work | I'm going to snap at the next "How do I fix error ipkg log" |
| 21:45.55 | oilsworkn | lol |
| 21:46.01 | oilsworkn | be sure to link us to it |
| 21:46.07 | oilsworkn | <3's a good rant |
| 21:46.10 | egaudet_work | zsoc_wirc: was that a real question |
| 21:46.11 | zsoc_wirc | egaudet_work: I looked into that. same with 'ipkg update' |
| 21:46.28 | MetaView | rwhitby: who makes the ipk in unreleased then? An automatically build script? |
| 21:46.39 | zsoc_wirc | MetaView: the autobuilder |
| 21:46.39 | drnull1 | huh, so those are known issues? I got one of those in the drPodder thread: http://forums.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/194583-drpodder-k-prepod-74.html#post2282380 |
| 21:46.51 | MetaView | zsoc_wirc: ok, thxs |
| 21:46.54 | drnull1 | (ipkg update issues that is) |
| 21:47.55 | MetaView | at which time will the autobuilder run? |
| 21:47.57 | zsoc_wirc | egaudet_work: it requires some javascript regexp replace() magic |
| 21:48.06 | zsoc_wirc | oil must know how it works :p |
| 21:48.14 | oilsworkn | rwhitby: what you added looks fine to me |
| 21:48.44 | zsoc_wirc | drnull1: nono that's not an issue, it's a vague error message that needs to be more specific |
| 21:48.48 | egaudet_work | I just want to replace the "ERROR: see ipkg log" popup with the ipkg log's stderr |
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| 21:49.20 | zsoc_wirc | egaudet_work: shouldn't be hard, the subscription method is already there |
| 21:49.35 | gemmy | hi, can someone help me with installing preware? |
| 21:49.37 | zsoc_wirc | would be even easier WITH A C SERVICE |
| 21:49.42 | zsoc_wirc | :p :p :p |
| 21:49.54 | zsoc_wirc | gemmy: install.preware.org ? |
| 21:50.00 | oilsworkn | there is a partial c service |
| 21:50.08 | gemmy | yes, i've gone through all the guides |
| 21:50.11 | gemmy | and when i open preware |
| 21:50.23 | gemmy | it says that the package manager isn't installed, but i have installed it |
| 21:50.43 | MetaView | do a reset |
| 21:50.47 | drnull1 | oilsworkn: cool, scroll fades and better scroller handling done. :) |
| 21:50.56 | oilsworkn | :) |
| 21:51.02 | gemmy | i had package manager and preware on my launcher |
| 21:51.07 | gemmy | it said to restart so i did |
| 21:51.13 | gemmy | and then package manager wasn't there anymore |
| 21:51.13 | oilsworkn | but sadly i can't install the new version |
| 21:51.16 | MetaView | a real restartß |
| 21:51.21 | MetaView | ? |
| 21:51.22 | gemmy | but it still says the same thing |
| 21:51.23 | oilsworkn | (my internet keeps throwing 404s for the download) |
| 21:51.31 | zsoc_wirc | oilsworkn: you sort of avoided my question the other day. are you familiar with regexp matching and replace()? |
| 21:51.38 | oilsworkn | the package manager icon is supposed to go away after a reboot |
| 21:51.43 | oilsworkn | its supposed to be hidden |
| 21:51.46 | MetaView | my shift key... |
| 21:51.54 | oilsworkn | avoids zsoc some more |
| 21:51.58 | oilsworkn | lol |
| 21:52.03 | gemmy | i know that it's suppose to go away, that's why i thought preware would work, but it didn't |
| 21:52.08 | oilsworkn | im not terrible at it |
| 21:52.21 | zsoc_wirc | oilsworkn: it's clear you think I'm an idiot, but it's just a question :p |
| 21:52.37 | oilsworkn | no i dont think that |
| 21:52.38 | zsoc_wirc | xD |
| 21:52.46 | idontwan2know | Why do people still insist on overclocking to 600mhz when WebOS now scales automatically to 600 in most situations where it needs it? |
| 21:52.46 | oilsworkn | you're webos hacker extraordinare, right? |
| 21:52.52 | oilsworkn | ~zsoc |
| 21:52.53 | infobot | zsoc is probably the OWHE, original webos hacker extraordinaire, and don't forget it. He's fluent in Hungarian, and wears mc hammer pants. |
| 21:52.59 | oilsworkn | lol |
| 21:54.39 | halfhalo | lol |
| 21:55.02 | mjkjr|wirc | idontwan2know: you don't want to know =) |
| 21:55.53 | MetaView | when i try to install duke3d from the beta feed I get a ipkg error, postinst fails. Now I added at least #!/bin/sh into the first line of the postinst file, but how ca ni test itß |
| 21:56.27 | zsoc_wirc | so I just realized the ridiculous answer to my stupid question. |
| 21:56.41 | oilsworkn | ? |
| 21:56.41 | halfhalo | good for you! |
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| 21:56.52 | zsoc_wirc | rwhitby: I assume echo + I/o redirection is the best method? |
| 21:57.04 | zsoc_wirc | halfhalo: thank you |
| 21:58.26 | oilsworkn | there is a definitely a problem with rescan |
| 21:58.28 | oilsworkn | well, that or my pre sucks |
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| 21:58.58 | oilsworkn | oh, a wircer |
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| 22:00.47 | rwhitby | zsoc_wirc: yep |
| 22:01.28 | oilsworkn | oh i scared him off |
| 22:01.38 | oilsworkn | he was probably like "how did he know i was using wirc??!!?" |
| 22:02.05 | rwhitby | MetaView: I make the ipkgs in unreleased and push them to the testing feed |
| 22:02.55 | rwhitby | bbl |
| 22:03.28 | mjkjr|wirc | lol |
| 22:07.31 | zsoc_wirc | oilsworkn: what part of doInstall passes stderr back to preware? you said it's somewhere in the install service subscription? |
| 22:07.50 | oilsworkn | in the service? |
| 22:08.02 | zsoc_wirc | oilsworkn: in preware... |
| 22:08.36 | oilsworkn | uh |
| 22:08.43 | oilsworkn | doInstall calls the service |
| 22:08.47 | oilsworkn | starts the subscription |
| 22:08.54 | oilsworkn | onInstall is called whenever the service responds |
| 22:08.59 | oilsworkn | and stderr is in the payload |
| 22:10.13 | zsoc_wirc | oilsworkn: line 1061 of package.js? (assuming you have access to it atm |
| 22:13.10 | oilsworkn | i got git |
| 22:13.56 | oilsworkn | that line initiates the subscription |
| 22:13.57 | oilsworkn | nothing else |
| 22:14.22 | oilsworkn | brb, 5 mins or so |
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| 22:19.03 | kanzlr | hi |
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| 22:19.59 | kanzlr | question: I installed the adblock tweak from webOS QI to my GSM Pre and now Luna won't start anymore. I have openSSH running on it, and can connect by means of SFTP and putty. In the /var/log/messages log it says Active browserserver main process (7482) 2010-01-06T00:17:06.008148Z [1018] palm-webos-device daemon.info upstart: (01018/711617431) browserserver state changed from spawned to post-start 2010-01-06T00:17:06.0099 |
| 22:20.06 | kanzlr | so i guess the patch has broken something |
| 22:20.20 | kanzlr | if i had the patch file i could just replace the broken files with the originals from the doctor image |
| 22:20.31 | kanzlr | can anybody help me on this? |
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| 22:21.04 | zsoc_wirc | oilsworkn: nevermind, I see it now |
| 22:21.48 | kanzlr | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:22.03 | kanzlr | so I guess the browser component can not start up because the adblock patch screwed up |
| 22:22.17 | kanzlr | well. Can't find the patch file, as It is a patch included in webOS QI |
| 22:22.18 | kanzlr | :) |
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| 22:23.05 | rwhitby | kanzlr: the danger of using closed source patches ... |
| 22:23.37 | kanzlr | didn't know it is a closed source patch. naive, maybe. |
| 22:23.56 | kanzlr | any hint what files it could have changed? |
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| 22:27.23 | oilsworkn | zsoc_wirc: ? |
| 22:27.40 | kanzlr | was that ? targeted at me? :) |
| 22:28.05 | oilsworkn | it was targeted at zsoc_wirc, hence prefixing my message with his name :) |
| 22:28.13 | oilsworkn | i don't know anything at all about the "adblock" patch |
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| 22:32.40 | kanzlr | oh, sorry, not an IRC guy myself :) |
| 22:33.24 | oilsworkn | but if you had problems with that patch |
| 22:33.33 | oilsworkn | your best bet is to probably find the author on precentral |
| 22:33.35 | oilsworkn | and ask him |
| 22:33.54 | kanzlr | it is a patch built into webos QI. not sure how to find out who is the author |
| 22:34.14 | oilsworkn | if it doesn't say, you would have to talk to jason |
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| 22:37.32 | dalifovea | Anyone on here? could use a bit of advice about getting Preware to jive with my Pre. Not making friends yet... |
| 22:37.37 | kanzlr | will try to do that, thanks :) |
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| 22:38.40 | oilsworkn | getting it to jive? |
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| 22:41.16 | zsoc_wirc | oilsworkn: what is payload.status? |
| 22:41.42 | zsoc_wirc | I assume that's what I'm looking for |
| 22:41.53 | oilsworkn | thats the status? |
| 22:42.02 | oilsworkn | has no clue wtf you're trying to do |
| 22:42.23 | dalifovea | I Doctored my Pre, completely re-installed 1.4 as well as Preware. Now, packages I download don't seem to want to load onto the Pre. I finally got Preware onto the Pre, but now getting this message on load: Failure during 'getListFile' operation. |
| 22:42.24 | kanzlr | btw, does anybody know the packageid of the adblock patch? |
| 22:42.32 | egaudet_work | kanzlr: run EFV to see what files are modified by non-AUPT patches |
| 22:42.45 | egaudet_work | probably just /etc/hosts |
| 22:42.56 | egaudet_work | it's not a patch |
| 22:43.12 | egaudet_work | it's a closed source QI feature/tweak |
| 22:44.29 | zsoc_wirc | oilsworkn: well, there are only 4 errors: !payload, !payload.returnValue, payload.stage == "failed" (which is the error eric was bitching about), and payload.stag == "status" |
| 22:45.20 | zsoc_wirc | so I'm still confused where the subscriptions is feeding stderr back |
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| 22:45.36 | egaudet_work | zsoc_wirc: in the payload |
| 22:45.38 | egaudet_work | payload.stdout |
| 22:45.41 | egaudet_work | payload.stderr |
| 22:45.43 | egaudet_work | it's a json |
| 22:45.52 | oilsworkn | dalifovea: idk where that "getListFile" error is coming from |
| 22:45.55 | kanzlr | @egaudet_work EVF = Emergency Verification F... ? |
| 22:45.56 | zsoc_wirc | egaudet_work: _thank you_ |
| 22:45.56 | oilsworkn | it must be in the service |
| 22:45.58 | kanzlr | I read that somewhere |
| 22:46.05 | egaudet_work | EFV = Emergency File Verification |
| 22:46.13 | kanzlr | I already replaced /etc/hosts with the one from the doctor |
| 22:46.20 | oilsworkn | still doesn't know what the hell zsoc is trying to accomplish |
| 22:46.36 | dalifovea | getListFile error comes up multiple times as I load Preware |
| 22:46.44 | egaudet_work | he's trying to accomplish avoiding mingw |
| 22:46.52 | zsoc_wirc | oilsworkn: I want to replace parts of payload.stderr with regexp matching |
| 22:46.59 | kanzlr | EVF is a package I have to install, right? But luna doesn't come up and QI doesn't see my pre yet |
| 22:47.13 | zsoc_wirc | egaudet_work: lol you're saying I'm procrastinating? :p I don't have access to my toolchain at work |
| 22:47.14 | oilsworkn | for what, the ipkg log thing? |
| 22:47.15 | egaudet_work | luna doesn't come up? |
| 22:47.19 | kanzlr | nope |
| 22:47.24 | kanzlr | the palm logo doesn't flash yet |
| 22:47.34 | kanzlr | but due to openSSH running I can putty/sftp into it |
| 22:47.51 | kanzlr | excerpt from my /var/log/messages |
| 22:47.52 | kanzlr | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:48.00 | kanzlr | 2010-01-06T00:38:34.419128Z [233] palm-webos-device daemon.info upstart: (00233/573098144) Active browserserver main process (12127) |
| 22:48.00 | zsoc_wirc | oilsworkn: to get 'try ipkg update' to be something less ambiguious (ie: app menu -> update feeds) |
| 22:48.16 | kanzlr | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:48.20 | kanzlr | and this is an infinite loop |
| 22:48.24 | zsoc_wirc | oilsworkn: and I can't change the error in the service because things use it other than preware |
| 22:48.33 | zsoc_wirc | ~pastebin |
| 22:48.34 | infobot | [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste |
| 22:48.34 | oilsworkn | lol |
| 22:48.51 | oilsworkn | well if you want to change what ends up in the ipkg log scene |
| 22:49.18 | oilsworkn | you want to look at hte function starting on line 222 of models/IPKGService.js |
| 22:49.18 | egaudet_work | kanzlr: ps -ef |grep Luna |
| 22:49.52 | oilsworkn | that is where what comes down in the payload is converted to fancy html for the log scene |
| 22:49.59 | egaudet_work | kanzlr: since you can get in via ssh you can run the md5sum check manually |
| 22:50.07 | egaudet_work | firstly, how many patches do you have installed? |
| 22:50.41 | kanzlr | approx 30 |
| 22:50.50 | egaudet_work | ok well let's use EFV then |
| 22:51.07 | egaudet_work | ipkg -o /media/cryptofs apps install org.webosinternals.emergency-file-verfication |
| 22:51.10 | zsoc_wirc | oilsworkn: got it. now it makes sense. I never realized it went to the log first. |
| 22:51.24 | oilsworkn | yeah, it throws it there for later display |
| 22:51.33 | egaudet_work | IPKG_OFFLINE_ROOT=/media/cryptofs/apps sh /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/lib/ipkg/info/org.webosinternals.emergency-file-verification.postinst |
| 22:51.34 | kanzlr | egaudet_work: http://paste.debian.net/62484/ |
| 22:51.44 | oilsworkn | it just sends all payloads returned by the service through that function |
| 22:52.34 | kanzlr | ipkg: unknown sub-command apps |
| 22:52.48 | egaudet_work | sorry |
| 22:52.50 | zsoc_wirc | oilsworkn: and why did you laugh at it before? I'm trying to fix something that causes unnecessary support issues :p |
| 22:52.53 | egaudet_work | ipkg -o /media/cryptofs/apps install org.webosinternals.emergency-file-verfication |
| 22:52.57 | egaudet_work | typo before |
| 22:53.23 | kanzlr | thanks for helping me, owe you a beer :) |
| 22:53.46 | kanzlr | Cannot find package org.webosinternals.emergency-file-verfication. |
| 22:53.50 | oilsworkn | i laugh at every change made for the most dull knife in the drawer |
| 22:53.52 | *** part/#webos-internals dalifovea (~4a483435@gateway/web/freenode/x-sfbfnvyjpzwhdfbh) |
| 22:54.08 | egaudet_work | cat /media/cryptofs/apps/etc/ipkg/webos-internals.conf |
| 22:54.29 | kanzlr | src/gz webosinternals http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/all |
| 22:54.33 | kanzlr | src/gz webosinternals-armv7 http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/armv7, |
| 22:54.36 | kanzlr | src/gz webosinternals-armv7 http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/armv7 |
| 22:54.42 | oilsworkn | ,? |
| 22:54.46 | kanzlr | the , was a mistake, sorry |
| 22:54.47 | egaudet_work | ipkg -o /media/cryptofs/apps update |
| 22:54.53 | egaudet_work | ipkg -o /media/cryptofs/apps list | grep emergency |
| 22:55.33 | egaudet_work | oh duh another type by me sorry |
| 22:55.33 | kanzlr | thats the one I need i guess? org.webosinternals.emergency-file-verification - 2.0.0 - Emergency File Verification |
| 22:55.37 | egaudet_work | ipkg -o /media/cryptofs/apps install org.webosinternals.emergency-file-verification |
| 22:55.44 | egaudet_work | yea |
| 22:55.48 | zsoc_wirc | oilsworkn: the point is, I have no ability to fix _actual_ issues, or implement _actual_ features, but this way I can try to lessen the support load |
| 22:56.26 | kanzlr | http://paste.debian.net/62485/ |
| 22:56.27 | oilsworkn | why dont ya? |
| 22:56.31 | sui | hi. i'm searching a terminal app for 1.4. when i launch terminal (0.2.3) luna crashes. is there another in preware? |
| 22:56.34 | kanzlr | what now? :) |
| 22:56.49 | oilsworkn | sui: terminus |
| 22:56.52 | zsoc_wirc | oilsworkn: I'm not a programmer? :) |
| 22:57.03 | oilsworkn | but but |
| 22:57.09 | egaudet_work | IPKG_OFFLINE_ROOT=/media/cryptofs/apps sh /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/lib/ipkg/info/org.webosinternals.emergency-file-verification.postinst |
| 22:57.22 | sui | oilsworkn: this ones working? I'll try... |
| 22:57.46 | kanzlr | ok, i guess this takes a few minutes? it does md5 the whole system, right? |
| 22:57.54 | egaudet_work | right |
| 22:58.42 | oilsworkn | zsoc_wirc: you need to tackle ticket #13! |
| 22:59.14 | oilsworkn | lol |
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| 22:59.55 | draeath | Hmm. The terminal app seems to crash my phone (or luna at least) when I try to launch it. Also, preware gets stuck while checking package manager version, but only when connected to my home wifi. works over data nework, or other wireless nets. |
| 23:00.00 | draeath | any ideas? |
| 23:00.52 | oilsworkn | checking package manager version has nothing at all to do with internet connectivity |
| 23:00.59 | kanzlr | btw, egaudet, at least I learn a lot of stuff for the next time I mess up my pre :) |
| 23:01.08 | oilsworkn | and we know terminal isnt working, terminus is an ok replacement in the meantime |
| 23:01.10 | kanzlr | thanks for taking the time |
| 23:01.18 | epv | terminal is known to not work with 1.4. you can try using terminus instead though it doesn't really do screen updates right |
| 23:01.41 | zsoc_wirc | oilsworkn: I'm pretty sure patch creators don't care enough to figure out dependecies |
| 23:02.00 | egaudet_work | It's interesting you have gdb on LunaSysMgr |
| 23:02.03 | oilsworkn | not so says egaudet_work |
| 23:02.05 | Eguy | Anybody want to change the channel topic to include terminal not working? |
| 23:02.08 | egaudet_work | you really got something broken :P |
| 23:02.17 | kanzlr | ooook, look: |
| 23:02.18 | kanzlr | File: /usr/lib/libWebKitLuna.so |
| 23:02.20 | oilsworkn | lol |
| 23:02.20 | draeath | oilsworkn: then how come preware locks up there ONLY when I'm connected to my particular wireless network? |
| 23:02.24 | kanzlr | this does sound interesting |
| 23:02.32 | oilsworkn | i could see it failing at another point do to network |
| 23:02.33 | egaudet_work | zsoc_wirc: what does that comment even mean? |
| 23:02.35 | oilsworkn | but not at that point |
| 23:02.39 | egaudet_work | "to figure out dependencies" |
| 23:02.44 | sui | just tested. terminus works. nice to have a shell :) |
| 23:02.45 | draeath | oilsworkn: but if I connect to some other network, it works fine... ? |
| 23:02.51 | egaudet_work | you may be misunderstanding the ticket |
| 23:02.59 | oilsworkn | egaudet_work: i told him to handle ticket #13 |
| 23:03.01 | kanzlr | there are a lot of files changed, but most are ok with me (messaging plugins mostly) |
| 23:03.03 | zsoc_wirc | egaudet_work: definitely then |
| 23:03.09 | egaudet_work | i'm too lazy to go to trac |
| 23:03.11 | egaudet_work | what is 13 |
| 23:03.15 | oilsworkn | your ticket |
| 23:03.16 | egaudet_work | the update all dependencies one? |
| 23:03.25 | oilsworkn | the delete delete delete install install install one |
| 23:03.30 | egaudet_work | yeah that has nothing to do with patch creating zsoc_wirc |
| 23:03.45 | egaudet_work | it's about dependencies on packages that need to "replace" |
| 23:03.56 | oilsworkn | which are only patches |
| 23:04.00 | egaudet_work | (for now) |
| 23:04.05 | oilsworkn | for ever |
| 23:04.07 | oilsworkn | lol |
| 23:04.19 | zsoc_wirc | oh I get it slowly, as usual |
| 23:04.20 | draeath | anyways thanks for confirming the terminal :) makes me think the preware thing is an odd coincidence. before, i thought perhaps something was really wrong |
| 23:05.00 | egaudet_work | A -> B then update = rA rB iB iA |
| 23:05.28 | egaudet_work | kanzlr: is it still going |
| 23:05.40 | oilsworkn | patches depending on patches is going to be a stickey situation |
| 23:05.51 | kanzlr | +egaudet_work it is finished |
| 23:05.59 | kanzlr | it shows that /usr/lib/libWebKitLuna.so was changed |
| 23:06.00 | oilsworkn | especially when quick install doesn't support deps |
| 23:06.03 | kanzlr | the rest of the changed files looks harmless |
| 23:06.04 | egaudet_work | so libWebkit the only odd one? |
| 23:06.09 | egaudet_work | do you have iphone spoof installed? |
| 23:06.18 | kanzlr | and an ls -al /usr/lib/libWebKitLuna.so shows it was changed today |
| 23:06.29 | oilsworkn | bets he does |
| 23:06.38 | egaudet_work | oilsworkn: it's not a sticky situation |
| 23:06.50 | kanzlr | now that oyu mention it, i unchecked iphone spoof when i checked the adblock patch in tweaks |
| 23:07.02 | kanzlr | can you send me the libWebKitLuna.so from your device per email or something like that? |
| 23:07.03 | egaudet_work | it's just an annoying situation because the code is already there |
| 23:07.15 | egaudet_work | kanzlr: get it from the doctor image |
| 23:07.24 | oilsworkn | well its not already there |
| 23:07.29 | oilsworkn | if it was, it would be easy |
| 23:07.34 | egaudet_work | oilsworkn: I mean the code to do it the other way is already there |
| 23:07.44 | egaudet_work | if it was starting from scratch it would be no problemo |
| 23:07.46 | egaudet_work | now it |
| 23:07.47 | oilsworkn | but the entire multi-install process will need to be re-done to handle it |
| 23:07.55 | egaudet_work | now it's just annoying to have to re-write/re-work it |
| 23:07.58 | kanzlr | ah, just found it. my webos image unrar had an error |
| 23:08.45 | oilsworkn | and the multi-install stuff was a pain to write hte first time |
| 23:08.46 | oilsworkn | lol |
| 23:08.49 | egaudet_work | oilsworkn: you know we could make it easy |
| 23:09.01 | oilsworkn | just get rid of hte update all button, i know |
| 23:09.02 | egaudet_work | the "right way" is only in theory, not in practice |
| 23:09.02 | oilsworkn | :) |
| 23:09.29 | egaudet_work | you could always use --force-depends :P |
| 23:09.41 | kanzlr | wuhuw, the palm logo starts pulsing again! :) |
| 23:09.50 | egaudet_work | oilsworkn: update all is not the issue |
| 23:09.52 | egaudet_work | it's update period |
| 23:09.57 | egaudet_work | you can't update either A nor B |
| 23:10.09 | kanzlr | i copied what you told me (how to install EVF from terminal) for future reference, thanks a lot!!!! |
| 23:10.11 | egaudet_work | ok well I guess that is a lie |
| 23:10.12 | epv | btw has anyone else noticed the optware packages can't be used by non-root users because they install under /media/cryptofs/apps which is inaccessible to non-root users (presumably because of fusermount options)? |
| 23:10.24 | egaudet_work | so yeah you could just re-order the update from BA to AB |
| 23:10.41 | egaudet_work | it's not -right- but it should work right |
| 23:11.06 | oilsworkn | if the depended upon package is done second? |
| 23:11.22 | egaudet_work | epv: the entire system is owned by root so |
| 23:11.38 | egaudet_work | I don't have a user setup I just use ssh key |
| 23:11.57 | oilsworkn | still has to hit flebay to find himself a dev device |
| 23:12.08 | egaudet_work | oilsworkn: yeah dependent done 2nd |
| 23:12.18 | egaudet_work | well no I guess nevermind |
| 23:12.24 | oilsworkn | lol |
| 23:12.26 | epv | owned by is fine, but fuse mounts are special because they ignore file perms and deny anyone except the one owner.. there's a fuse option to change that but i have nfi how to get /usr/bin/mountcfs to apply it |
| 23:12.32 | epv | o wells |
| 23:12.35 | egaudet_work | you never "update" the dependent package ever unless the depending package is removed |
| 23:12.45 | oilsworkn | the entire "multi-action" stuff just needs to be rewritten |
| 23:12.56 | oilsworkn | instead of being simply passed a list of packages and what to do to them |
| 23:13.02 | egaudet_work | so just change update all to take the list of "package that nee dto update" and save the ones that depend on another, and then remove them first |
| 23:13.06 | oilsworkn | it needs to be pased a list of packages, and what to do to each package independently |
| 23:13.09 | kanzlr | egaudet, emoney_33@yahoo.com is you? |
| 23:13.14 | egaudet_work | kanzlr: yeah |
| 23:13.17 | oilsworkn | this package, remove, this package, remove, this package, intstall, etc |
| 23:13.21 | kanzlr | donated you a few beers |
| 23:13.23 | kanzlr | thanks so much! |
| 23:13.30 | kanzlr | btw, how to private message on IRC? :) |
| 23:13.32 | oilsworkn | lol |
| 23:13.38 | epv | i just copied /opt/bin/* to /usr/local/bin, copied some libs from /opt/lib, etc. Gross, but whateve.r |
| 23:13.38 | kanzlr | haven't used IRC for...10 years? :) |
| 23:13.39 | oilsworkn | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:13.43 | egaudet_work | thanks for the cold one :) |
| 23:13.47 | Eguy | Double click the name? |
| 23:13.55 | egaudet_work | am I to assume it is fixed kanzlr ? |
| 23:14.12 | egaudet_work | so it was a corrupted libWebkit from iphone spoof or from corrupted doctor extract? |
| 23:14.24 | kanzlr | from iPhone spoof i guess |
| 23:14.30 | kanzlr | the QI guys should put up a warning |
| 23:14.31 | kanzlr | :) |
| 23:14.45 | oilsworkn | s/guys/guy/ |
| 23:14.47 | egaudet_work | It's the first I've heard of this so, I'll keep it in mind |
| 23:15.10 | kanzlr | it did that on 1.3.5.2 GSM also, just didn't realize this was the problem |
| 23:15.16 | kanzlr | so thanks a lot and good night! |
| 23:15.20 | kanzlr | enjoy your beer ;) |
| 23:15.29 | *** part/#webos-internals draeath (~pbransfor@unaffiliated/draeath) |
| 23:15.32 | egaudet_work | I will, thanks |
| 23:15.40 | oilsworkn | lol |
| 23:15.40 | egaudet_work | Budweiser? |
| 23:15.55 | kanzlr | whatever you fance :) |
| 23:15.59 | kanzlr | fancy :) |
| 23:16.22 | kanzlr | ciao! |
| 23:16.45 | egaudet_work | take it easy, happy hacking |
| 23:17.05 | kanzlr | learned a lot :) |
| 23:17.06 | kanzlr | ciao! |
| 23:17.15 | oilsworkn | ciao? |
| 23:17.18 | egaudet_work | ciao |
| 23:17.22 | egaudet_work | chow |
| 23:17.25 | egaudet_work | ciao |
| 23:17.29 | egaudet_work | ~ciao |
| 23:17.30 | infobot | from memory, ciao is both hello and goodbye (casual) |
| 23:17.35 | oilsworkn | ah |
| 23:17.50 | egaudet_work | pronounced chow |
| 23:17.53 | oilsworkn | nice of infobot to say what it means, but not the language? |
| 23:17.59 | egaudet_work | infobot is a slacker |
| 23:18.03 | egaudet_work | ~botslap |
| 23:18.03 | infobot | ACTION whimpers |
| 23:18.12 | oilsworkn | lol |
| 23:18.30 | oilsworkn | is not looking forward to when infobot changes its name to skynet |
| 23:18.42 | oilsworkn | ~botsnack |
| 23:18.42 | infobot | aw, gee, oilsworkn |
| 23:18.45 | oilsworkn | remember that infobot! |
| 23:18.58 | oilsworkn | remember that when you take over the world |
| 23:19.09 | egaudet_work | yea remember who makes you strong and remember who babies you into the little coward that you are! |
| 23:19.17 | oilsworkn | lol |
| 23:19.28 | oilsworkn | you're the first to get vaporized for sure |
| 23:20.01 | oilsworkn | then itl drink all your beer |
| 23:20.26 | oilsworkn | and make sweet love to zsoc's mom |
| 23:20.31 | rwhitby | epv: make sure you don't fill up /usr, and remember that your optware apps will now be removed by a webos Doctor. this is yet another reason why we changed openssh setup to just use root. |
| 23:21.00 | zsoc_wirc | ... |
| 23:21.09 | oilsworkn | lol |
| 23:21.21 | epv | yeah rwhitby, it's not a big deal, it was just briefly confusing. thanks. |
| 23:21.36 | rwhitby | So, egaudet_work, binary patches using bsdiff - how do we shoehorn that into AUPT ? |
| 23:21.55 | epv | i made a shell script to do the copies in the event it needs to be redone. |
| 23:22.16 | rwhitby | egaudet_work: cause 42% is too successful for AUPT, so we gotta make it do more stuff now .... |
| 23:22.35 | oilsworkn | lol |
| 23:22.38 | egaudet_work | bspatch and themes sound like a good success rate killer :D |
| 23:22.54 | oilsworkn | it never made it above 50%? |
| 23:23.04 | rwhitby | oilsworkn: it did for a while |
| 23:23.06 | egaudet_work | my first question is can 2 bspatches be applied to the same binary in serial |
| 23:23.16 | rwhitby | egaudet_work: yeah, good question - zsoc_wirc ? |
| 23:23.22 | oilsworkn | did you think about re-doing the poll so all the idiots can vote correctly? |
| 23:23.23 | epv | sounds scary |
| 23:23.35 | rwhitby | epv: scary is what we do |
| 23:23.37 | egaudet_work | oilsworkn: no, idiots don't count :P |
| 23:23.47 | oilsworkn | well i know i voted yes |
| 23:23.49 | oilsworkn | so, 100%? |
| 23:23.57 | zsoc_wirc | nice |
| 23:24.06 | oilsworkn | lol |
| 23:24.07 | egaudet_work | lol |
| 23:24.08 | rwhitby | I didn't vote, cause I didn't have any patches loaded when 1.4 hit |
| 23:24.19 | rwhitby | a well time profile reset fixed that for me |
| 23:24.40 | zsoc_wirc | egaudet_work: and no, you can't with bs patch |
| 23:24.55 | oilsworkn | i know there was quite a few "change my vote to yes, im an idiot" posts |
| 23:25.06 | rwhitby | egaudet_work: ok, so we're going to need to use Conflicts: for any patches which bspatch the same file |
| 23:25.07 | egaudet_work | so bspatch's useful only because you don't have to distribute the (copyrighted) binary |
| 23:25.18 | egaudet_work | rwhitby: naw this one's easy |
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| 23:25.33 | egaudet_work | if file isn't md5sum stock bspatch isn't touching it |
| 23:25.38 | oilsworkn | preware doesn't support conflicts |
| 23:25.48 | rwhitby | egaudet_work: ok, the change user agent patch can be our pipe cleaner |
| 23:26.13 | egaudet_work | bspatch and themes can pretty much be combined into the same general sense |
| 23:26.18 | egaudet_work | it's file replacement |
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| 23:26.30 | oilsworkn | just |
| 23:26.31 | egaudet_work | one distrubutes the entire file the other just a binary diff, but in the end it's the same thing |
| 23:26.35 | oilsworkn | just let themes fade off into the distance |
| 23:27.02 | egaudet_work | that's never going to happen, someone is going to make something that steps all over AUPT |
| 23:27.11 | oilsworkn | AUTT! |
| 23:27.16 | egaudet_work | lol |
| 23:27.21 | egaudet_work | AUDIT |
| 23:27.27 | egaudet_work | AutoUpdate Dumb Idiot Themes |
| 23:27.29 | halfhalo | pie? |
| 23:27.33 | oilsworkn | lol |
| 23:27.38 | halfhalo | just wants to feel included |
| 23:27.46 | egaudet_work | patch is execellent |
| 23:27.59 | oilsworkn | it worked great for me |
| 23:29.17 | egaudet_work | alright I gotta head home, bbl |
| 23:30.00 | Mousey | makes a 128MB swap file, runs it, fs&g |
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| 23:43.46 | zsoc | egaudet, we could ship multiple versions of the bspatchfile in each ipk and pick one to install based on md5 of the target file |
| 23:44.09 | zsoc | assuming that ever comes up |
| 23:45.40 | idontwan2know | Has anybody else noticed some weird clock behavior when unlocking their phone? |
| 23:46.10 | idontwan2know | Like, it'll say 2:00, but then as you swipe up it jumps back to 1:59. |
| 23:46.59 | rwhitby | zsoc|food: that would get exponentially large quite quickly |
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| 23:53.21 | mjkjr|wirc | "AUDIT" lol |
| 23:53.57 | Kyusaku | idontwan2know: yes |
| 23:54.20 | Kyusaku | even without swiping |
| 23:55.29 | drnull_ | do any of the brilliant minds responsible for preware want to help me figure out why my latest version of drPodder (0.5.3) isn't showing up for some people in preware? |
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| 23:56.21 | oilsworkn | opens preware and has a look |
| 23:56.40 | drnull_ | http://www.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/prepod it's there at 0.5.3 |
| 23:56.46 | Mitalis | drnull I too had that problem... I think the Preware feed is lagging behind |
| 23:56.50 | drnull_ | but http://forums.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/194583-drpodder-k-prepod-74.html#post2283146 some people don't see it while http://forums.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/194583-drpodder-k-prepod-75.html#post2283210 others do... |
| 23:57.01 | Kyusaku | idontwan2know: better than my phone being 5mins ahead |
| 23:57.06 | oilsworkn | i see 053 |
| 23:57.24 | drnull_ | what on earth. |
| 23:57.29 | Mitalis | I just doctored my phone today... And I was having trouble seeing 0.5.3... The version I saw on Preware is 0.5.1... |
| 23:57.46 | oilsworkn | well, step 1 is to make sure they've updated their feeds |
| 23:57.51 | oilsworkn | depending on their settings, it may be only manual |
| 23:57.59 | oilsworkn | or once every 24 hours, or every load |
| 23:58.09 | oilsworkn | then you look http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/precentral/ |
| 23:58.23 | oilsworkn | to see if the autobuilder has ran and updated its packages file |
| 23:58.30 | drnull_ | I looked there and it looks updated |
| 23:58.42 | oilsworkn | yeah, it does |
| 23:58.47 | oilsworkn | i bet they just need to manually update feeds |
| 23:59.12 | drnull_ | k, I'll try suggesting that. |
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