| 00:00.32 | the_snowdog | VincentLaw: I have been having similar issues to you regarding alerts. SMS texts are hours late. The phone doesn't ring when people call. Email app opens to blank page. Calendar opens empty too sometimes. Definitely something weird going on with this update. |
| 00:00.33 | VincentLaw | JMyaDaGod: http://sorrowind.net |
| 00:00.42 | bpadalino | it looks like luna caches a lot more as, after boot, i seem to only have ~7MB free |
| 00:01.01 | VincentLaw | I don't have any issues with things showing up blank. simply alerts when the pre is locked being delayed for extended periods |
| 00:01.10 | VincentLaw | texts/ims/calendar alerts/etc |
| 00:01.16 | shinebar | I don't think it's _definitely_ faster - the email-application is laggy as hell |
| 00:01.28 | VincentLaw | azakus: and I know it's been updated, but it renders fine in everything else. everything. even the older pre browser. |
| 00:01.35 | xcomp | email isn't laggy for me...email is noticeably more responsive |
| 00:01.41 | bpadalino | same here xcomp |
| 00:01.58 | VincentLaw | yeah its not lag |
| 00:02.04 | VincentLaw | it's like it's just not realizing there's alerts |
| 00:02.09 | xcomp | haven't had blanks in the calendar or late texts, but I've definitely had a couple of missed calls |
| 00:02.41 | JMyaDaGod | VincentLaw what did u say the problem with ur site was? |
| 00:02.48 | VincentLaw | the background wouldn't render |
| 00:02.54 | JMyaDaGod | o i see it now |
| 00:03.34 | VincentLaw | yeah, it doesn't make sense |
| 00:03.38 | azakus | hmm, dmesg also has a few listings of lunasysmgr |
| 00:03.38 | azakus | [ 4020.910000] Alignment trap: LunaSysMgr (7805) PC=0x35bd2e88 Instr=0xe7970004 Address=0x027a8509 FSR 0x001 |
| 00:03.50 | JMyaDaGod | why do u only have 1 period here: background-image: url('./images/bgclouds.jpg') |
| 00:03.55 | the_snowdog | Well just now running some tests to figure out the blink notification patterns and the phone was not even registering a notificaton to 2 test emails. I then try to open the email app and shows me the account setup page. I hit "Done" and then it works again. And the 2 test emails are sitting there already. |
| 00:04.02 | azakus | def unaligned read |
| 00:04.06 | bpadalino | wow, traps, huh ? |
| 00:04.06 | VincentLaw | JMyaDaGod: current directory. I like stating it explicitly |
| 00:04.25 | JMyaDaGod | o i c |
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| 00:07.35 | Nrbelex | I would say *maybe* its managing memory better, but the complete business of alerts is killing me now (especially the vibrations). Plus I'm having stability issues which never occurred in 1.3; actually had a full crash. AND the lock screen sometimes glitches... so was it worth it for video recording, Flash and *maybe* better memory management? |
| 00:07.48 | Nrbelex | *buginess |
| 00:07.50 | Nrbelex | not business |
| 00:08.09 | Nrbelex | curses spellcheck |
| 00:08.44 | Nrbelex | the_snowdog: I think trying to figure that out is futile. I really think it's just totally buggy. |
| 00:09.22 | azakus | ok, I've got a few traps of LunaSysMgr in dmesg and it always has the alignment trap at the same instruction |
| 00:09.31 | azakus | 0x37970004 |
| 00:10.06 | the_snowdog | I think we just need to provide assistance to palm get this stuff fixed quickly. Looks like azakus is making some progress with the debug info.... |
| 00:10.26 | azakus | i'd rather not have to objdump it though |
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| 00:14.33 | bpadalino | it looks like your PC is always at the same location |
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| 00:17.37 | Ihazspintpr3 | hello |
| 00:18.11 | azakus | bpadalino: nope, I have a more comprehensive log |
| 00:18.16 | azakus | same instruction every time though |
| 00:18.41 | Ihazspintpr3 | I just updated to webos 1.4 and installed the multi mod patch, it doesnt work and wont allow me to go to any web page |
| 00:18.43 | bpadalino | decode the instruction ? |
| 00:18.55 | azakus | https://pastee.org/6jbbj |
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| 00:19.04 | Ihazspintpr3 | code someplease point me in the right direction? |
| 00:19.20 | bpadalino | yeah, your PC is always the same |
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| 00:19.32 | azakus | is it? |
| 00:19.33 | azakus | hmm |
| 00:19.45 | azakus | oh so it is |
| 00:19.55 | bpadalino | lets see what function that's in |
| 00:20.40 | Nrbelex | Perhaps this will teach them not to tie themselves down by giving specific dates when new versions are coming out. This just feels ruched. |
| 00:20.51 | Nrbelex | *rushed |
| 00:20.57 | bpadalino | you think so ? |
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| 00:24.44 | the_snowdog | Ihazspintpr3: that's a known issue. we need to wait for a patch update. you should uninstall it for now |
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| 00:29.32 | Nrbelex | Oh, also: forward swipe gesture - completely gone!? |
| 00:31.17 | jhojho | pastee.org is pretty cool |
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| 00:45.03 | rwhitby | Ihazspintpr3: uninstall it |
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| 01:39.22 | dBsooner | egaudet: ping |
| 01:41.45 | FuMan2 | heh |
| 01:41.53 | FuMan2 | whats with those weird dots that show up during loading in Preware |
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| 01:52.20 | mindbazaar | hi |
| 01:52.34 | rwhitby | FuMan2: dunno, they are new in 1.4, and seem harmless. Maybe oil knows what they are. |
| 01:53.42 | oil | i noticed them also, but idk |
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| 01:56.14 | LoneStar99 | rwhitby: have some questions about ipkg-builder |
| 01:56.48 | rwhitby | LoneStar99: yep |
| 01:57.37 | PuffTheMagic_ | The asian chic app is awsome |
| 01:58.05 | LoneStar99 | need to migrate it to unix, what do i need to change? |
| 02:00.55 | entity- | they need to make a white chick app |
| 02:01.15 | rwhitby | LoneStar99: should run on anything with Python and zip and tar and ar I expect. |
| 02:01.18 | dBsooner | BBA app |
| 02:01.55 | rwhitby | LoneStar99: why do you want to run it on Unix (and what version? SCO? HP-UX? Solaris?) - why not just use a Linux virtual machine? |
| 02:03.24 | LoneStar99 | rwhitby: can you send me a private message? you handle does not show up |
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| 02:14.25 | nfoxTc | anyone have any news on the flash beta? |
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| 02:15.19 | Abyssul | We ned a patch to remove Bluetooth from the Device Menu |
| 02:15.25 | gollyzila2 | Did they specifically say it was going to come out in february? |
| 02:15.40 | Abyssul | gollyzila2: 1.4? Yes |
| 02:15.43 | Abyssul | or flash |
| 02:15.48 | nfoxTc | I heard second week of march from a sprint rep |
| 02:16.15 | gollyzila2 | Abyssul: flash |
| 02:16.20 | CardShark | Adobe took Flash from Macromedia and turned it into a bloated buggy mess. |
| 02:16.49 | nfoxTc | how do you figure |
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| 02:22.20 | FuMan2 | Duke3D |
| 02:22.45 | FuMan2 | Failed: ErrorGenericMethodException: Failure during post-install script |
| 02:22.49 | FuMan2 | bad O_o? |
| 02:23.19 | gollyzila2 | FuMan2: Is Duke3D released for Pre? |
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| 02:29.28 | gollyzila | Has anyone have all there backgrounded apps close except Preware while using Preware? |
| 02:29.48 | oil | eh? |
| 02:31.03 | gollyzila | I had Email and 2 browser cards while updating my patches. After it finished, I skipped the luna restart and my phone was slow. I went to card view and Preware was the only card open. |
| 02:31.25 | gollyzila | And then it also happened when I was downloading Terminus. |
| 02:33.50 | nfoxTc | nope |
| 02:34.29 | gollyzila | Darn |
| 02:34.58 | FuMan2 | gollyzila, yeah, its in the testing feed |
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| 02:36.24 | bpadalino | gollyzila: i have |
| 02:36.34 | bpadalino | it happens whenever luna rescanned it seemed |
| 02:36.37 | bpadalino | or java restarted |
| 02:36.50 | bpadalino | my phone was terribly slow after java restarted .. i rebooted after that |
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| 02:39.54 | gollyzila | How would I do Tab in Terminus? |
| 02:39.58 | zonyl | finally sent off a request for access to the PDK. Crossing my fingers. |
| 02:40.44 | zonyl | Is terminus just a port of the sdlTerminal application or was it a new project? |
| 02:41.41 | oil | yeah, it does appear a rescan kills open apps |
| 02:43.17 | gollyzila | "Terminus is a fork of the dead terminal emulator project called "Enterminus", an EFL based terminal emulator for the Enlightenment window manager. Terminus is powered by SDL and designed to work on Palm webOS devices such as the Pre and Pixi." |
| 02:43.24 | gollyzila | Copied from the wiki |
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| 02:44.03 | gollyzila | Forward gesture is tab if anyone didn't know like I did |
| 02:44.03 | zonyl | gollyzila: on WSOI wiki? |
| 02:44.27 | f13ftw | gollyzila: thanks, news to me. always have hit spacbar ~5 times |
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| 02:44.50 | zonyl | hehe. If that only worked 'spacebar completion' |
| 02:45.08 | gollyzila | zonyl: http://git.webos-internals.org/trac/terminus/wiki |
| 02:45.32 | gollyzila | I just followed the link on the webos-internals wiki |
| 02:46.05 | f13ftw | gollyzila: sorry, i must have missed too much of the convo prior to entering the room... |
| 02:46.21 | zonyl | gollyzila: doh. Thanks. Didnt realize there was another page describing it. I am also in the process of adding Arrows and Tab/Alt to the sdlVNC client so I can use Xterm. |
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| 02:48.41 | FuMan2 | I thought Terminus was dead int he water? |
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| 02:49.01 | gollyzila | Not until Terminal died recently |
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| 02:49.42 | zonyl | FuMan2: It works for now. Got caught on the 1.4 upgrade and lost terminal and my ssh user.. Thank goodness for Terminus |
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| 02:51.58 | Mark_M | What is the best way to update a patch? I have the diff file from gitorius. |
| 02:52.44 | PuffTheMagic_ | http://blog.cheesymeat.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/gimmefish-long.mp3 |
| 02:52.50 | PuffTheMagic_ | ^^^ newest ringtone |
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| 02:53.49 | zonyl | PuffTheMagic_: Nice ;) |
| 02:54.59 | zonyl | Is it just me or did Palm fix the SDL key bounce on 1.4? |
| 02:55.11 | gollyzila | I use Snake's ringtone from Metal Gear Solid |
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| 02:58.44 | alkos333 | You guys updated to 1.4 yet? |
| 02:59.03 | bpadalino | and i haven't looked back |
| 02:59.03 | gollyzila | Almost everyone has |
| 02:59.04 | AnOutsider | unfortunately |
| 02:59.15 | alkos333 | AnOutsider: Why so? |
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| 02:59.26 | alkos333 | Well, tethering isn't working and I'm not able to ssh in after it. |
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| 02:59.42 | alkos333 | bpadalino: I like the video recording feature :) |
| 02:59.49 | alkos333 | Everything is much snappier .. |
| 02:59.54 | bpadalino | good features |
| 03:00.02 | drewp | i trust usb/novaterm is unharmed? |
| 03:00.12 | Kyusaku | I like the loading graphic, better than no card at all |
| 03:00.17 | AnOutsider | just nothing but probs.. universal search not working, that fiasco witht he apps missing, the latest is all my email accounts are MIA and I can't add new oens. it's like the email app is borked |
| 03:00.27 | alkos333 | Hope not, but it won't let me in through ssh. Says Permission denied |
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| 03:00.52 | alkos333 | MIA? |
| 03:01.20 | Kyusaku | missing in action |
| 03:01.26 | alkos333 | Ah, ok lol |
| 03:01.34 | alkos333 | Gonna go crazy with all these abbreviations soon |
| 03:01.44 | gollyzila | alkos333: check to see if your wifi ip address changed |
| 03:01.49 | cryptk | here is an odd one... |
| 03:01.56 | zonyl | alkos333: You need to add back your user account..happened to me as well |
| 03:02.03 | cryptk | when I use the power button to wake my phone... it doesn't show the normal lock screen... |
| 03:02.10 | alkos333 | gollyzila: doesn't matter, I'm using usb |
| 03:02.12 | AnOutsider | thought MIA was well known ha |
| 03:02.17 | alkos333 | zonyl: Yes, I'm sure that's what happened. |
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| 03:02.58 | cryptk | it shows the home screen as if it were unlocked, but it has the lock button that you have to drag |
| 03:02.58 | bpadalino | drewp: yeah, novaterm is still all good .. works well |
| 03:02.58 | AnOutsider | yeah ive had that happen a few times |
| 03:02.58 | zonyl | alkos333: Just adduser blah |
| 03:02.58 | alkos333 | Yeah, I will. |
| 03:02.58 | Kyusaku | yeah MIA should be pretty well know, was even a Chuck Norris movie title |
| 03:03.41 | knickrox13 | alkos - u get cmdline though right |
| 03:03.42 | gollyzila2 | cryptk that's happened to me too a bunch of times |
| 03:03.52 | alkos333 | knickrox13: what do you mean? |
| 03:04.01 | knickrox13 | can u get command line access through usb |
| 03:04.14 | knickrox13 | if u can u can do a script |
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| 03:04.37 | cryptk | gollyzila2: at least it isn't just me |
| 03:04.43 | cryptk | I mean I kinda like it... |
| 03:05.03 | cryptk | I would love it if it still showed the arch that you drag the button past |
| 03:05.22 | cryptk | so the lock screen would be the same as the home screen just with the whole drag to unlock thing |
| 03:05.46 | gollyzila2 | it is pretty cool. i wouldn't mind having an option to disable/enable it |
| 03:06.30 | gollyzila2 | but all your notifications don't show on it |
| 03:06.39 | alkos333 | knickrox13: I have to set up novacom or something and that's a pain at the moment cause I"m running a 64-bit Slackware, so I have to get ailib32 or w/e rolling here.. and I just don't feel like doing all that right now. |
| 03:08.13 | zonyl | alkos333: I just installed terminus via preware and added the user through that.. |
| 03:08.23 | knickrox13 | yeah i was just gonna say that |
| 03:09.05 | zonyl | In reality, I probably should have just dr'd the phone. |
| 03:09.06 | gollyzila2 | are u guys using the old SSH method? |
| 03:09.08 | cryptk | odd... I was having issues with wirc yesterday.... |
| 03:09.14 | zonyl | gollyzila2: You know it ;) |
| 03:09.16 | cryptk | it wasn't opening the chat window... |
| 03:09.39 | cryptk | seems it was conencted afterall because it just timed out when i rebooted my phone |
| 03:10.57 | gollyzila2 | I at first thought the new SSH method was going to be a pain. but I tried just before updating to 1.4 and it wasn't bad at all. I say it was pretty easy following the intructions in the wiki |
| 03:13.50 | mjkjr|wirc | so I was having a cool lock screen issue after updating that went away after another restart, maybe someone can get on a patch |
| 03:13.51 | alkos333 | zonyl: Yes, but I can't install that right now because I don't have preware installer on there.. |
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| 03:15.14 | mjkjr|wirc | every time I locked my screen whatever I had open stayed right there instead of going back to the wall paper |
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| 03:16.33 | gollyzila2 | hey cryptk, now there's three of us in here that have had the lockscreen bug |
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| 03:18.52 | gollyzila | is reading and *trying* to understand Hamlet |
| 03:19.01 | mjkjr|wirc | gollyzila2: I thought it was pretty cool. i want it back lol |
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| 03:19.09 | cryptk | mjkjr|wirc: yep, it is a bug... luna restart fixes it |
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| 03:19.48 | mjkjr|wirc | I know, I thought it was part if the changelog or something, I didn't want the bug fixed |
| 03:20.13 | jettero | I had that lock screen bug for an hour or so... went away after a rboot |
| 03:20.15 | mjkjr|wirc | s/if/of |
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| 03:20.57 | gollyzila | mjkjr|wirc you forgot the ending / |
| 03:21.12 | cryptk | mjkjr|wirc: I like the way it looks too |
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| 03:21.22 | cryptk | but gollyzila says that notifications don't work when it is doing it |
| 03:22.25 | gollyzila | cryptk: yup. I had quicksystemtasks in the notification bar and it didn't show it on the "new" lockscreen |
| 03:23.51 | mjkjr|wirc | hmmm... I didn't really notice, I just liked the look/idea. i'd like that "new" lockscreen as an option |
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| 03:26.25 | cryptk | I agree, I would love to have it be an option for a "transparent lockscreen" |
| 03:26.46 | cryptk | have it show the unlock slider and the arch/drag up to unlock text |
| 03:26.54 | cryptk | but have that be on top of the normal homescreen |
| 03:26.59 | zonyl | I would like to have the Android pattern lock. Wonder what it would take to try to patch that. |
| 03:27.14 | gollyzila | zonyl: so would i |
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| 03:27.30 | cryptk | if palm comes out with a bugfix for the current lockscreen we may be able to look at how they fix it and reverse engineer it to make it always be that way (but with notifications) |
| 03:27.32 | gollyzila | or even widgets on the lockscreen. weather |
| 03:27.39 | mjkjr|wirc | I don't care for the arch or text, mine was showing just the lock icon itself, thought it was slick |
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| 03:27.43 | tbird02 | is there something wrong with the palm catalog feed in preware? |
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| 03:29.18 | gollyzila | maybe the new lockscreen is appearing since Palm enabled a gesture swipe up to unlock |
| 03:29.20 | mjkjr|wirc | cryptk: that would be great, I was bummed when it went back to normal |
| 03:30.19 | mjkjr|wirc | gollyzilla: I like that feature a lot, saves me half a second |
| 03:30.47 | LoneStar99 | anyone want to develop an instant app maker? |
| 03:31.16 | zonyl | LoneStar99: And call it Ares? |
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| 03:31.32 | oil | lol |
| 03:31.40 | zonyl | Brighthouse might have something like that. |
| 03:31.41 | LoneStar99 | zero code |
| 03:31.49 | DeathFromage | 'Sup everyone. |
| 03:32.29 | LoneStar99 | zero code for the end user, |
| 03:32.39 | tbird02 | z |
| 03:32.44 | tbird02 | is there something wrong with the palm catalog feed in preware? |
| 03:33.00 | mjkjr|wirc | wants a patch for the "new" lock screen |
| 03:33.05 | tbird02 | preware refuses to load |
| 03:34.08 | mjkjr|wirc | tbird02: just turn the app cat feed off and update feeds manually |
| 03:35.01 | LoneStar99 | this is for corporations |
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| 03:35.54 | cryptk | time to get ready for work |
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| 03:36.39 | mjkjr|wirc | time to get ready to sleep |
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| 03:38.09 | Nrbelex | mjkjr|wirc: There is no "new" lock screen, as far as I know. Pretty sure there's a bug that sometimes allows the last card open to stay visible when locked. |
| 03:38.15 | gollyzila | time to get ready to eat |
| 03:39.09 | LoneStar99 | looking for one good coder that wants to take thinks to another lever |
| 03:39.12 | LoneStar99 | level |
| 03:39.18 | mjkjr|wirc | nrbelex: aware it's a bug, but I like it and want to make it a "new" lock screen option. |
| 03:39.29 | knickrox13 | have u guys ever had a problem |
| 03:39.30 | zonyl | LoneStar99: Try http://ares.palm.com |
| 03:39.34 | knickrox13 | where youd lock the phone |
| 03:39.35 | firestrider | is there new menu transitions? |
| 03:39.43 | firestrider | within apps |
| 03:39.49 | knickrox13 | and then maybe like 3-4 seconds later, the phone lights up again with the lock screen |
| 03:39.57 | knickrox13 | and 3-4 seconds after that, it turns off again |
| 03:40.03 | LoneStar99 | zonyl: nope it takes hours to build on it |
| 03:40.09 | knickrox13 | a restart fixed it, but just wanna see if anyone else experienced that |
| 03:40.11 | firestrider | also did anyone notice apps loading faster or is it an illusion with the pulsating icon |
| 03:40.53 | knickrox13 | probably just an illision but whats the difference anyways, if it feels faster, then thats what matters, no? |
| 03:42.12 | Nrbelex | mjkjr|wirc: haha, sorry - I hadn't caught up |
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| 03:42.40 | Nrbelex | Feels slower to me... |
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| 03:43.42 | zonyl | I had the web browser go awol on me. I like how you can scroll around before the page loads now, however, there appears to be something amiss with the multi-touch event stack at that point. |
| 03:43.43 | firestrider | is there new transitions between screens within apps or is that just me? |
| 03:44.37 | mjkjr|wirc | firestrider: I heard that but haven't noticed myself |
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| 03:45.46 | nfoxTc | yeh there's new transitions when you open something |
| 03:46.41 | dBsooner | rwhitby: ping |
| 03:47.33 | zonyl | It is interesting how the email program will show a bit of the view/scene in the open transition. havent seen much else do that yet. |
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| 03:55.11 | Nrbelex | Is there a technical reason they got rid of the forward swipe gesture... or what? |
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| 04:01.14 | lordbah | Removing the Multi Mod patch seems to have royally screwed up launcher pages. First there was only one page, and it was not showing icons for all the programs, and type-to-launch wasn't working. I added a new page and type-to-launch started working. I added a bunch of pages, but the rest of the icons never came back. Removed the Enable add/remove Pages patch, and all icons were back on their several pages, but I had lots of |
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| 04:02.03 | lordbah | What the browser multi mod patch has to do with the launcher, I don't know. |
| 04:03.01 | dBsooner | oil: ping |
| 04:03.16 | oil | ? |
| 04:03.49 | dBsooner | Does the popup for luna restart happen from Preware? or is it from PKG man? |
| 04:04.11 | oil | for patches? |
| 04:04.16 | dBsooner | either |
| 04:04.26 | oil | ipkgservice doesn't do any of that stuff |
| 04:04.27 | dBsooner | Just what spawns the popup |
| 04:04.37 | oil | preware does |
| 04:04.38 | dBsooner | I want to add a popup to my patch |
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| 04:05.03 | oil | good luck |
| 04:05.08 | dBsooner | When user changes the "Hide Call Duration" switch in Phone Prefs I want that popup to happen |
| 04:05.24 | dBsooner | that doesn't sound promising. |
| 04:05.28 | oil | lol |
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| 04:05.34 | oil | well its just javascript |
| 04:05.36 | oil | the popup |
| 04:05.45 | dBsooner | right |
| 04:05.50 | oil | but idk if you can actually call the luna restart from that app |
| 04:05.53 | dBsooner | but the actual excecution? |
| 04:05.57 | oil | preware uses the ipkgservice to actually restart it |
| 04:06.01 | oil | it does a call to it |
| 04:06.03 | dBsooner | ahh |
| 04:06.07 | dBsooner | what about Luna Manager? |
| 04:06.11 | dBsooner | how does it call the restart? |
| 04:06.12 | oil | but the phone prefs is probably on private bus |
| 04:06.15 | Saiks | Hi all... I was just wondering if anyone is having issues with MHS after webOS 1.4 update. The On/Off toggle but will not respond for me. Any thoughs is much appreciated. thanks |
| 04:06.17 | oil | idk if its got access to do it |
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| 04:06.23 | azakus | oil: looks like jstop's CSS doesn't render right anymore |
| 04:06.31 | oil | azakus, i noticed :/ |
| 04:06.35 | azakus | so far, I've been stumped |
| 04:06.46 | azakus | has to be related to the browser updates |
| 04:06.48 | oil | ill peep at it |
| 04:06.52 | azakus | thanks |
| 04:07.35 | elpollodiablo1 | is there a way to switch a terminal on the pre similar to switching to the terminal by using ctrl+alt+F1 on any linux box? |
| 04:07.57 | azakus | elpollodiablo1: no vt's afaik on the pre |
| 04:08.59 | drewp | weird, the updater gui just says 'install now' but doesn't react to taps. /var/log/messages has the truth: {"status":"InsufficientCharge"} |
| 04:09.43 | azakus | you need at least 30% battery |
| 04:10.01 | azakus | even if you're charging |
| 04:10.14 | elpollodiablo1 | azakus: thanks that would be sweet functionality if it was possible. |
| 04:10.31 | drewp | sure that's fine, i'm just surprised the gui is so bad for this case |
| 04:10.38 | Saiks | Anybody? |
| 04:10.56 | azakus | Saiks: MHS? |
| 04:11.51 | mjkjr|wirc | mobile hot spot |
| 04:11.58 | Saiks | azakus: Mobile Hotspot, the toggle button not responding |
| 04:12.22 | azakus | ah |
| 04:14.20 | oil | azakus, i really can't see anything wrong |
| 04:15.03 | azakus | yeah, neither could I |
| 04:15.25 | Saiks | After the update, something went wrong. Do you have MHS installed |
| 04:16.24 | oil | mhs? |
| 04:16.39 | oil | oh |
| 04:16.40 | oil | read up |
| 04:16.50 | oil | yeah, i heard it didn't work on sprint pres after 1.4 |
| 04:17.29 | mjkjr|wirc | I'm sure that was done intentionally |
| 04:18.01 | bpadalino | if you modify the mobilehotspotd so the Sprint string says sprint instead, you can get it to run and accept connections |
| 04:18.09 | bpadalino | but you get an auth error due to NAI stuff i believe |
| 04:18.35 | oil | yeah, considering its verizon exclusive or whatever |
| 04:18.43 | oil | they dont want you running it on your pre |
| 04:18.53 | oil | sprint doesn't even have teather plans for the pre do they? |
| 04:18.59 | jacques_ | nope |
| 04:19.00 | oil | so technically doing it is against your contract |
| 04:19.07 | bpadalino | nope .. they don't offer phone-as-modem |
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| 04:21.19 | mjkjr|wirc | what exactly is causing terminal to fail since 1.4 |
| 04:21.32 | bpadalino | good question |
| 04:21.35 | oil | problem with the plugin im sure |
| 04:21.39 | JMyaDaGod | so whos gonna fix it so i can break my contract with mobile hotspot |
| 04:22.30 | bpadalino | JMyaDaGod: get a hex editor, and edit the string in mobilehotspotd .. ask sprint for your MSL and edit your NAI to be your normal one, and not the modem one |
| 04:22.44 | bpadalino | i am not sure you'll find many people here who will readily help you or automate said process :) |
| 04:30.01 | oil | azakus, nothing i try seems to make a bit of difference |
| 04:30.50 | azakus | oil: it looks exactly the same if I turn off css entirely for it |
| 04:30.52 | azakus | hmm |
| 04:31.03 | oil | yeah |
| 04:31.14 | azakus | I wonder if this is related to the namespace |
| 04:31.20 | AnOutsider | Doctor #3 is the charm? |
| 04:31.36 | azakus | it would be odd if com.palm.XXXX couldn't specify it's own css in relative paths |
| 04:31.54 | oil | that would be funky |
| 04:33.14 | oil | if that was hte case, how could the catalog have styles different then everything else |
| 04:33.16 | oil | its com.palm |
| 04:33.33 | cal__ | what does 'unreversed patch detected' mean, when trying to remove 'named pages' patch in both wsqi and preware? |
| 04:34.17 | gkatsev | um... so, preware seems to be making my phone crawl to a halt during "downloading feed information" |
| 04:34.56 | gkatsev | i got a "memory critical, too many cards!" |
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| 04:36.29 | cryptk|work | hola everyone |
| 04:37.33 | AnOutsider | gkatsev - my PMS went nuts yesterday, was runnign in the backgroudn even after I quite preware. Wasn't until it dinged letting me know I had 20% battery and If elt how hot the phone that I investigated |
| 04:37.56 | egaudet | rwhitby, ping |
| 04:38.14 | cryptk|work | AnOutsider: are you sure it was PMS? |
| 04:38.18 | azakus | oil: just a thought |
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| 04:38.30 | cryptk|work | and did you do anything weird like close preware during a feed download or anything like that? |
| 04:38.42 | AnOutsider | crypt: when I popped in and checked I saw that it was |
| 04:38.55 | cryptk|work | ahh |
| 04:39.07 | AnOutsider | PMS was hung on downloading for ages, when I tried to oepn preware again I go that "checking PMS version" message, so I realized it had hung |
| 04:39.09 | gkatsev | it was being slow, i closed it and restarted my phone and tried it again just now which was when i got the error |
| 04:39.32 | cryptk|work | well... hopefully soon I will have a chance to integrate the new code into my Upstart Manager and if something like that happens with any service you should be able to kill it and restart it manually |
| 04:39.53 | cryptk|work | AnOutsider: a restart of java services should fix that though |
| 04:40.01 | cryptk|work | which is really easy now in 1.4 |
| 04:40.10 | AnOutsider | yeah? there a shortcut for it? |
| 04:40.11 | cryptk|work | Luna Manager is pretty useless at this point unfortunately |
| 04:40.20 | AnOutsider | I just orng + sym + r'd it |
| 04:40.20 | cryptk|work | AnOutsider: hold you power button |
| 04:40.26 | cryptk|work | check out the new options |
| 04:40.34 | rwhitby | gkatsev: look for a big file in /media/cryptofs/app/usr/lib/ipkg/lists/ and delete it |
| 04:40.39 | cryptk|work | there is now a luna restart and a java restart option |
| 04:40.50 | AnOutsider | ah cool |
| 04:40.58 | AnOutsider | no one else has had the dead email client issue? |
| 04:41.11 | cryptk|work | I haven't checked into it |
| 04:41.15 | gkatsev | rwhitby: cool, will do as soon as i reboot it |
| 04:41.24 | cryptk|work | the only bug I have definitely experienced so far is the lock screen bug |
| 04:41.55 | AnOutsider | yeah |
| 04:42.18 | azakus | cryptk|work: has the css for your app broken? |
| 04:42.19 | cryptk|work | but if it weren't for the other side effects of that bug, I like it |
| 04:42.22 | AnOutsider | I had a sneaking suspicion 1.4 wasn't ready for primetime, and it seems to have panned out. Luckily major issues don't seem widespread |
| 04:42.29 | cryptk|work | azakus: I haven't checked it in 1.4 yet |
| 04:42.30 | AnOutsider | either way I'm telling folks I know to hold out for 1.4.1 |
| 04:42.41 | azakus | cryptk|work: I'll build it and see how it goes |
| 04:42.45 | cryptk|work | but it is based on your CSS so a bug in one *should* be in the other |
| 04:42.59 | cryptk|work | azakus: no need to build it, it is in preware testing feeds |
| 04:43.23 | azakus | nope it works |
| 04:43.29 | azakus | cryptk|work: not follow that feed :P |
| 04:43.32 | Decimate | what is the lock screen bug? |
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| 04:44.10 | AnOutsider | where the last opened card is visible |
| 04:44.27 | AnOutsider | actually not jsut a card, I've had it happen and show my icons and wallpaper in the background with no scrim (no card open) |
| 04:44.32 | cryptk|work | the background of the lock screen isn't ther |
| 04:44.40 | cryptk|work | only the lock button that you drag |
| 04:44.47 | azakus | cryptk|work: it works fine |
| 04:44.47 | cryptk|work | that is the only thing there |
| 04:44.57 | cryptk|work | azakus: I noticed JsTop was broken... |
| 04:45.07 | azakus | oil: his css is based off ours, so the problem must be in something odd |
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| 04:46.13 | cryptk|work | azakus: it could be in some javascript... I am using very little of your javascript |
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| 04:46.25 | cryptk|work | I don't think there is a single function that I haven't touched in some way |
| 04:46.31 | cryptk|work | and many that I have completely re-written |
| 04:46.32 | Decimate | when i go to a new page in preware |
| 04:46.37 | Decimate | for like.. 1 or 2 seconds i just see |
| 04:46.38 | Decimate | ... |
| 04:46.40 | Decimate | on the screen |
| 04:46.48 | cryptk|work | Decimate: it is loading the list |
| 04:46.52 | elpollodiablo1 | has anyone noticed that after updating to 1.4 that their ssh password does not work? |
| 04:47.17 | AnOutsider | Decimate: that's something new in 1.4 on how it renders scene |
| 04:47.22 | cryptk|work | Decimate: if you have the testing feed check out the Upstart Manager (or JsTop) |
| 04:47.25 | AnOutsider | in my app I just hide things until it's ready to load |
| 04:47.44 | cryptk|work | they both say This.Broke.Horribly for a split second until the list is rendered |
| 04:47.56 | cryptk|work | azakus: I made sure to leave that because I found it hilarious |
| 04:48.03 | cryptk|work | zsoc liked it too |
| 04:48.27 | Decimate | either way, i like the new transition from one page to another, regaurdless of what it broke. |
| 04:48.30 | cryptk|work | JsTop renders the list so fast that you don't see it but my list is considerably longer so it takes it a second to sort it |
| 04:48.47 | cryptk|work | Decimate: you mean the new fade thing |
| 04:48.54 | cryptk|work | def looks very nice |
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| 04:49.29 | cryptk|work | elpollodiablo1: there are multiple reports of SSH breaking in 1.4 but you can set it back up through novaterm and be good to go |
| 04:49.36 | Decimate | cryptk|work: yes, i love it. a lot nicer than the old w.e it was. |
| 04:49.44 | elpollodiablo1 | well my novaterm is not working |
| 04:49.49 | elpollodiablo1 | so that is not a good thing |
| 04:49.55 | cryptk|work | elpollodiablo1: hrm... |
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| 04:50.03 | rwhitby | elpollodiablo1: yes, you should migrate to the packages in Preware and use ssh key |
| 04:50.04 | cryptk|work | I haven't tried novaterming in on 1.4 yet |
| 04:50.20 | AnOutsider | yay email works again... time to relink my million contacts |
| 04:50.52 | elpollodiablo1 | I set up ssh back before preware, I was going to try and get my phone fixed tomorrow but I had to do some back ups |
| 04:51.10 | gkatsev | would the 1.4 update have done anything with ssh? because it cant seem to like my passwords... |
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| 04:51.49 | elpollodiablo1 | gkatsev it seems to be a common problem |
| 04:52.02 | rwhitby | elpollodiablo1: 1.4 overwrote /etc/password, as will probably most future OTA releases |
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| 04:52.12 | Decimate | i also really like the new card opening with the glowing icon before it loads. |
| 04:52.13 | dBsooner | oil: How do I throw an indefinite spinner? |
| 04:52.24 | *** mode/#webos-internals [+v bpadalino] by ChanServ |
| 04:52.33 | dBsooner | when user taps "ok" i want it to throw a spinner while its waiting the 3 seconds or so for Luna to die |
| 04:52.40 | rwhitby | gkatsev, elpollodiablo1: that's why current best practice is to use the packages in preware and ssh keys |
| 04:52.42 | gkatsev | rwhitby: ah, so, i need to load up WQI and then get rid of the file and then reinstall the optware-bootstrap? |
| 04:52.52 | rwhitby | gkatsev: no, use the packages from Preware |
| 04:53.04 | gkatsev | rwhitby: yeah, thats what i mean. |
| 04:53.26 | rwhitby | reinstall openssh sftp server - it will pull in the rest via dependencies |
| 04:54.10 | elpollodiablo1 | rwhitby: thanks for the info, if I install ssh from preware now would there be any problems considering it is already installed? or should I uninstall ssh then install it through preware? |
| 04:55.15 | elpollodiablo1 | does the preware ssh allow for ssh over edvo and wifi? |
| 04:55.35 | rwhitby | elpollodiablo1: you edit /etc/event.d/mobi.optware.openssh as before to enable evdo |
| 04:55.38 | cal__ | how do i fix a patch that returns a "unreversed patch detected" in wsqi/preware? |
| 04:56.23 | elpollodiablo1 | rwhitby: alright good to know, I was hoping there was away to set it up. |
| 04:56.35 | knickrox13 | any rumors on when flash is gonna hit? |
| 04:57.01 | rwhitby | elpollodiablo1: you should ideally remove the old ones first, but the preware versions will disable the old versions of the same package |
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| 04:57.52 | elpollodiablo1 | rwhitby: I am guessing preware will not beable to remove the old version. |
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| 04:58.11 | rwhitby | elpollodiablo1: correct - you need to use ipkg-opt to remove it |
| 04:58.50 | gkatsev | whats the current version of WQI? |
| 04:58.58 | Zuchmir2 | is there a known issue of webOS breaking apps? |
| 04:59.00 | rwhitby | 3.0x |
| 04:59.12 | rwhitby | Zuchmir2: see @webosinternals tweets |
| 04:59.36 | knickrox13 | i noticed wosqi auto-updates |
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| 04:59.49 | knickrox13 | as of recently (im guessing it started with the first 3.x) |
| 04:59.49 | rwhitby | yeah, as of 3.0x |
| 05:00.00 | rwhitby | (which is why I didn't need to give the x :-) |
| 05:00.11 | knickrox13 | smart thinkin there ^ |
| 05:01.22 | azakus | wohoo, I get such a helpful error message |
| 05:01.23 | azakus | [20100228-23:01:07.095642] error: null |
| 05:03.05 | Zuchmir2 | haven't upgraded yet, but am getting reports of failures on webOS 1.4, and wondering if there's any knowledge as to *what* is breaking |
| 05:04.42 | azakus | Zuchmir2: there's brokenness in Luna when you overwrite an application while it's running |
| 05:04.57 | azakus | it restarts luna because of a misaligned read |
| 05:05.06 | knickrox13 | will that pose a problem to updating preware..via preware |
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| 05:06.04 | Zuchmir2 | azakus: that issue has been around a long time ago, that's not new to 1.4 |
| 05:07.18 | gkatsev | ah, deleted the 210MB webos-patches file from the dir. works well now |
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| 05:11.41 | Decimate | gkatsev: i planned on doctoring, so that preware problem gave me a quick reason to :) |
| 05:12.03 | Decimate | has anyone successfully opened terminal on 1.4? |
| 05:12.15 | gkatsev | Decimate: known problem apparently |
| 05:12.30 | Decimate | gkatsev: preware or terminal? |
| 05:12.35 | gkatsev | terminal |
| 05:12.56 | Decimate | cause im trying to setup ssh and i need terminal to generate keys |
| 05:13.01 | Decimate | unless its okay to use novaterm |
| 05:13.11 | gkatsev | you can use novaterm |
| 05:13.13 | Decimate | i tried, and it gave me and authorization error when i tried to log in |
| 05:13.29 | Eguy | Use Terminus |
| 05:14.57 | rwhitby | novaterm doesn't do authorization |
| 05:15.28 | rwhitby | gkatsev: please tell lots of people who to solve the big file problem |
| 05:15.53 | Zuchmir2 | anyone knows what is breaking on terminal? |
| 05:17.08 | Kyusaku | what's this on big files? |
| 05:17.09 | Decimate | rwhitby: so i cant use novaterm to generate the ssh keys? |
| 05:17.18 | rwhitby | Decimate: sure you can |
| 05:17.28 | egaudet | Zuchmir2, some sort of memory dealloc issue |
| 05:17.33 | elpollodiablo1 | rwhitby: is optware bootstrap still one of the recommened installs? |
| 05:17.44 | Decimate | Authentication log (see session log for details): |
| 05:17.44 | Decimate | Using username "root". |
| 05:17.45 | Decimate | Server refused our key. |
| 05:17.45 | Decimate | Authentication failed. |
| 05:17.46 | Zuchmir2 | is that the same issue that was on 1.3? |
| 05:17.58 | egaudet | the plugin's deallocate is being called right away and freeing the memory is causing a seg fault I think if I remember correctly |
| 05:18.01 | gkatsev | where are the home folders? |
| 05:18.02 | rwhitby | elpollodiablo1: I outlined above what to do. Install OpenSSH SFTP Server, and read the homepage link in Preware for openssh package. |
| 05:18.06 | egaudet | different issue, the 1.3 issue was fixed |
| 05:18.10 | Decimate | rwhitby: followed instructions to a t on http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:OpenSSH |
| 05:18.13 | rwhitby | Decimate: that is not novaterm |
| 05:18.16 | egaudet | the 1.4 issue hasn't been tracked down yet |
| 05:18.38 | Decimate | rwhitby: no thats what i get when i try to login to winscp |
| 05:18.48 | Eguy | rwhitby: Any un-installation required before installing the new SSH? |
| 05:18.57 | rwhitby | Decimate: then you haven't done it right :-) |
| 05:19.15 | rwhitby | Eguy: prefererred, but not required, as long as you are replacing same with same |
| 05:19.28 | Decimate | rwhitby: ive tried it three times... i follow the instructions EXACTLY as written |
| 05:19.48 | rwhitby | Decimate: creating ssh keys is a well known thing on the internet. please use google. |
| 05:20.01 | Eguy | I installed the bootstrap when it was first created, I was just going to install OpenSSH. |
| 05:20.09 | rwhitby | then update the wiki page with any missing steps |
| 05:20.40 | Decimate | but i created the ssh keys fine, and exactracted to my desktop, and converted, and browsed and selected them in winscp AND putty. both gave me the error. |
| 05:20.50 | rwhitby | Decimate: it's such a common thing that it is not time-efficient for me to help you. sorry. |
| 05:21.14 | rwhitby | better for you to view a screencast from the internet about it |
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| 05:21.31 | Decimate | rwhitby: all im saying is that according to the directions, i should be logged in via winscp or putty right now. |
| 05:21.36 | gkatsev | Decimate: ssh-keygen |
| 05:21.47 | rwhitby | Decimate: yes, you should be. |
| 05:22.27 | Decimate | gkatsev: yes, i generated the keys on my pre, and copied them to my /media/internal, then extracted to my desktop, then converted to a private key. |
| 05:23.18 | Decimate | anyone willing to view me on teamviewer? |
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| 05:25.12 | elpollodiablo1 | rwhitby: is it really secure to ssh in as root? even with the key? |
| 05:25.58 | Decimate | another night ive given up :/ goodnight guys. |
| 05:26.05 | rwhitby | elpollodiablo1: yes. |
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| 05:26.30 | cryptk|work | rwhitby: someone updated the wiki the other day with instructions on how to set up the pre's SSH with putty and winscp |
| 05:26.45 | cryptk|work | so it has more detail now than it used to |
| 05:26.52 | rwhitby | cryptk|work: yep, there's plenty of info there and on the internet |
| 05:26.58 | cryptk|work | yep |
| 05:27.31 | Decimate | hah, i got it to work. |
| 05:27.41 | Decimate | get this, it was my fault! crazy, right? |
| 05:27.51 | rwhitby | Decimate: I'm surprised ;-) |
| 05:28.02 | Eguy | Ouch. |
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| 05:28.26 | Decimate | i forgot to move the key from the original spot, to the authorized_keys subfolder. |
| 05:28.28 | Decimate | MAH BADD |
| 05:28.58 | Eguy | Problem? |
| 05:30.45 | gollyzila | Hopefully I don't sound dumb, but I just discovered how we can do mouse over actions on WebOS' browser. All you have to do is tap, hold and then move your finger so you don't activate the link. I don't remember being able to do this last update |
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| 05:32.47 | BoomerET | Does anyone know if Terminus works in 1.4, since Terminal reboots the unit? |
| 05:33.32 | Eguy | Yes, it does. |
| 05:33.46 | BoomerET | Thanks |
| 05:34.00 | rwhitby | Decimate: your penance is to make sure the wiki page is idiot proof. |
| 05:34.36 | Eguy | rwhitby: Are you sure? |
| 05:35.29 | gollyzila | rwhitby: are you guys talking about the SSH guide on the wiki? |
| 05:36.01 | Decimate | rwhitby: i think im the biggest of em all... i just TOTALLY missed a step. |
| 05:36.15 | Decimate | pretty in depth though |
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| 05:38.08 | gollyzila | Decimate: Are you guys talking about the SSH guide on the wiki? |
| 05:38.20 | rwhitby | Eguy: am I sure about what? |
| 05:38.24 | rwhitby | gollyzila: yes |
| 05:38.33 | Eguy | Trusting Decimate :P |
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| 05:39.11 | rwhitby | gollyzila: there are enough people who have used ssh keys that the community should be able to put together a set of wiki pages which takes users of the old optware bootstrap method across to the new preware-based method in detailed idiot-proof steps. |
| 05:39.23 | rwhitby | I expect someone from the community to take the lead and drive that. |
| 05:39.39 | gollyzila | I followed the guide word by word before updating to 1.4 and everything went flawless. |
| 05:40.36 | natedogg | I'm having a tought time getting preware do download the feeds |
| 05:40.42 | rwhitby | Who will be that person who is the next level of support for optware openssh migration so that I never again need to answer any questions on it? |
| 05:40.59 | natedogg | since before I updated to 1.4 I was having trouble |
| 05:42.35 | Eguy | I lost my lock screen clock again :( Thanks palm for not bug testing. |
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| 05:44.25 | psykoz | has anyone with videos noticed them get deleted / go missing ? |
| 05:44.41 | psykoz | I've had 2 videos on my Pre disappear and i know I didn't swipe them off in the video roll app |
| 05:45.04 | BoomerET | Blame Canada |
| 05:45.17 | psykoz | Already did it |
| 05:45.19 | Eguy | Damn crosby |
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| 05:48.27 | egaudet | is there no more "phone offline" when restarting java? |
| 05:48.36 | egaudet | nvm |
| 05:48.44 | egaudet | just took longer than I'm used to |
| 05:48.58 | Kyusaku | lol |
| 05:49.08 | Eguy | Java restarts take longer than they did in 1.3.5 |
| 05:49.18 | Eguy | So do reboots |
| 05:49.48 | Tman | what's actually Java on the pre? |
| 05:49.57 | gkatsev | everything? |
| 05:50.05 | drewp | just finished my 1.4 upgrade. terminal is indeed broken |
| 05:50.05 | Eguy | The coffee app |
| 05:50.14 | oil | background services |
| 05:50.15 | BoomerET | Yup |
| 05:50.20 | oil | some of them anyways |
| 05:50.34 | Tman | ah.. |
| 05:50.51 | oil | package manager service is java |
| 05:50.57 | oil | where wircd is c |
| 05:51.11 | Eguy | I think it is more like a c- |
| 05:51.29 | oil | is never going to be able to work on wirc anymore |
| 05:51.32 | gkatsev | weird, when i ssh into my phone it still asks me for the password, even though i got authorized_keys... |
| 05:51.42 | Tman | and services are how you link frontend applications to more behind-the-scenes stuff right? do they have to be java? |
| 05:51.48 | Tman | I need to create one :> |
| 05:51.53 | Eguy | gkatsev: You need to let it scan your fingerprint. |
| 05:52.04 | oil | services are how you do things you can't do with javascript |
| 05:52.11 | Tman | specifically, I need my C++ code to communicate with javascript |
| 05:52.52 | Tman | oil: yeah I get that but where does the actual linkage occur? |
| 05:52.58 | oil | through dbus |
| 05:53.16 | Tman | hmmm ok |
| 05:53.17 | oil | calls from javascript to the service |
| 05:53.20 | oil | which returns the data |
| 05:53.24 | oil | through the dbus |
| 05:54.39 | gkatsev | Eguy: how? link? |
| 05:54.49 | Decimate | wow, i just realized how easy it is to take apps you buy and give them to everyone in the world for free :O |
| 05:54.58 | Tman | how good is dbus with latency? I need to transfer large arrays (ie float[2048]) at least 30-60 times a second |
| 05:55.04 | Eguy | gkatsev: You need to buy the usb fingerprint reader. |
| 05:55.19 | gkatsev | Eguy: ... |
| 05:55.21 | oil | 30 to 60 times a second? |
| 05:55.29 | oil | its certainly not that fast |
| 05:55.29 | Eguy | gkatsev: :P |
| 05:55.44 | Tman | oil: hmm :p |
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| 05:56.02 | gkatsev | Eguy: but it should work by adding my id_rsa.pub to the authorized_keys file... but still asking me for the password |
| 05:56.06 | oil | that would probably make it catch fire |
| 05:56.07 | Tman | well I can use SDL for my video but that has issues with updating it seems |
| 05:56.32 | Eguy | gkatsev: What program are you using? |
| 05:56.39 | Tman | oil: it's not like a processor can't handle that or anything.. it's a question of whether dbus is made for that kind of thing.. |
| 05:56.52 | gkatsev | Eguy: gnome-terminal |
| 05:57.13 | Decimate | gkatsev: what are you trying to do. i got my ssh to work, is that what you need help with? |
| 05:57.18 | Eguy | I think you need to have it transmit the key file |
| 05:57.31 | Eguy | I'm not sure with gnome-terminal. |
| 05:57.46 | Eguy | I know in putty there is a place to have it auth. |
| 05:58.02 | oil | tman, i dont think we've ever tested its limits |
| 05:58.03 | CardShark | make sure the agent is running |
| 05:58.19 | Tman | oil: k well I'll get on that then ;P |
| 05:58.27 | BoomerET | ssh-copy-id -i ~/.ssh/id_pub.rsa root@???? |
| 05:58.29 | oil | rwhitby, may know though |
| 05:58.50 | Tman | k I'll ask if he surfaces |
| 05:58.57 | BoomerET | Have a great week everyone. |
| 05:59.05 | BoomerET | has left the building. |
| 06:03.34 | Decimate | who here has bought the sims 3? |
| 06:04.20 | gollyzila | Decimate: isn't it free for Europeans? |
| 06:04.42 | Decimate | gollyzila: i have no idea? |
| 06:05.11 | gollyzila | I was able to download the European version of Need For Speed. There's a Precentral thread that gives a link on where and how. |
| 06:05.45 | Decimate | does anyone know of a good windows app that opens js files? |
| 06:06.02 | CardShark | UltraEdit. |
| 06:06.12 | Eguy | Dreamweaver |
| 06:06.17 | CardShark | Syntax highlighting and all that jazz. |
| 06:06.33 | CardShark | 'course notepad works too. |
| 06:06.40 | Decimate | CardShark: torrenting.. i mean uhm, getting credit card to get right now! |
| 06:06.51 | CardShark | Try Notepad+ |
| 06:07.04 | CardShark | I believe that one is legitimately free. |
| 06:07.07 | rwhitby | Tman: what the application you're working on? |
| 06:07.16 | Decimate | cardshark: i like syntax highlighting and such though :) |
| 06:07.25 | CardShark | I *think* Notepad+ does it too. |
| 06:07.44 | Tman | rwhitby: real-time analyzer (RTA). I need to transmit a lot of graph points from C++ code for javascript to graph |
| 06:07.46 | rwhitby | Decimate: you might want to ask in #webos, where the javascript programmers hang out ... |
| 06:07.52 | Eguy | Decimate likes to "acquire" things :P |
| 06:07.55 | egaudet | virtual keyboard is ported |
| 06:08.02 | rwhitby | Tman: what does it analyze? |
| 06:08.10 | Eguy | Thanks egaudet. |
| 06:08.21 | rwhitby | egaudet: shall I tweet that? |
| 06:08.27 | Tman | rwhitby: sound frequencies. I'm using ALSA and a FFT library, which is working |
| 06:08.27 | Decimate | Eguy: i paid too much for this computer... |
| 06:08.28 | egaudet | yes please |
| 06:08.47 | Eguy | Decimate: How much? |
| 06:08.58 | egaudet | tell people to install "CLEANUP VKB files" package first |
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| 06:09.26 | Decimate | Eguy: too much, noneya :P |
| 06:09.27 | rwhitby | egaudet: why can't we put that in the postinst for the virtual keyboard? |
| 06:09.35 | rwhitby | (i.e. do it automatically) |
| 06:09.41 | egaudet | because vkb as a patch has no custom postinst |
| 06:09.48 | egaudet | it has aupt postinst |
| 06:09.49 | rwhitby | egaudet: so change it. |
| 06:09.50 | egaudet | but i can depend on it |
| 06:09.55 | egaudet | change what? |
| 06:09.56 | egaudet | change aupt? |
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| 06:10.10 | rwhitby | change vkb to have both aupt and custom postinst |
| 06:10.19 | rwhitby | just cat two postinst files together |
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| 06:10.42 | egaudet | that's getting into -weird- territory though |
| 06:10.50 | Eguy | cleanup vkb files need a reboot right? |
| 06:10.59 | rwhitby | if there's something from an old version that needs to be cleaned up, the postinst for the new version should automatically clean it up |
| 06:11.07 | egaudet | it kind of violates the 1 common script world of aupt |
| 06:11.20 | rwhitby | egaudet: vkb is already pretty special |
| 06:11.43 | rwhitby | and it's a transient addition, right? next version of webOS it goes away |
| 06:11.47 | egaudet | true, it's always a special pain lol |
| 06:11.59 | egaudet | next version of aupt it goes away |
| 06:12.11 | Tman | rwhitby: anyway.. do you think that dbus can handle relatively large amounts of data at low latencies like that? (need to update the screen at >30fps) |
| 06:12.21 | rwhitby | egaudet: I'd really rather tweet that cleanup vkb files is no longer needed, just install the new version of vkb ... |
| 06:12.27 | egaudet | now there's nota looming big update I can put more thought into the image addition part of AUPT in the next iteration |
| 06:12.41 | egaudet | rwhitby, yeah alright I'll add it |
| 06:12.48 | Decimate | CardShark: UltraEdit auto backs up files that i edit and save, im liking it. |
| 06:12.58 | rwhitby | egaudet: thanks, it will save you time answering questions in the long run |
| 06:13.11 | CardShark | Decimate: It's awesome. I've been using it for YEARS! Beta testing the latest version. |
| 06:13.28 | rwhitby | Tman: dunno, if you've watched preware loading data, you'd think not. |
| 06:13.47 | Tman | rwhitby: lol is that the choke point? then that could be bad news.. |
| 06:14.13 | Decimate | so palm has plans for the messaging app to support Aim, Yahoo, Google, MSN, Jabber, and ICQ altogether it seems. |
| 06:14.29 | rwhitby | Tman: it's java reading a file, converting it to JSON, passing it across dbus, then parsing it in javascript. |
| 06:14.30 | Tman | rwhitby: another option is using SDL to graph but I'm having an screen update issue with that that won't go away :/ |
| 06:14.41 | Eguy | Decimate: Where did you see that? |
| 06:15.03 | Decimate | palm setting labels for each of them in various files |
| 06:15.06 | Tman | rwhitby: well I'll do some experimenting and see what happens |
| 06:15.17 | Decimate | im looking through messaging, launcher, etc files atm, finding stuff i want to edit :) |
| 06:15.38 | Eguy | Ah. |
| 06:16.15 | dtzWill | rwhitby: i'm working on getting X staged so others besides jacques+myself can poke at it :) and just because it's a useful step for moving forward. if it builds cleanly and whatnot but has the rendering issues we're fighting is that reason to push it into /nonworking ? |
| 06:16.24 | Decimate | and it list yahoo and bing as global search options, although they arent there? weird. |
| 06:16.39 | Eguy | They are commended out I think. |
| 06:16.43 | Eguy | commented* |
| 06:17.04 | rwhitby | dtzWill: yeah, nonworking until it works :-) |
| 06:17.40 | dtzWill | rwhitby: DEPENDS doesn't work across that boundary, right? so just assume people have build everything in /packages and only DEPENDS things in nonworking? |
| 06:17.43 | dtzWill | rwhitby: kk ty |
| 06:17.59 | rwhitby | dtzWill: DEPENDS=../nonworking/foo ../nonworking/bar |
| 06:18.08 | rwhitby | (I think, ask zsoc) |
| 06:19.00 | dtzWill | rwhitby: okay, thank you very much :) |
| 06:20.29 | rwhitby | I think I'm going to try and make Preware download and install free apps from the app catalog tonight. |
| 06:21.12 | rwhitby | I have a cunning plan. |
| 06:21.21 | dtzWill | rwhitby: ooo that's excellent. |
| 06:21.28 | Eguy | Bond? |
| 06:21.58 | rwhitby | waits for a Black Adder Baldrick reference ... |
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| 06:22.29 | raster | rwhitby: a plan so cunning... you could put a tail on it and call it a fox? |
| 06:22.42 | rwhitby | kisses raster |
| 06:22.54 | raster | ewwwwwwwwwww |
| 06:23.00 | raster | wipes the slobber off |
| 06:23.06 | rwhitby | (in a Black Adder kissing Baldrick kind of way, with a stick) |
| 06:23.08 | CardShark | Where's an /eyeroll command when you need one. |
| 06:23.10 | raster | run away... run away! |
| 06:23.26 | rwhitby | raster: a big stick, across the head, kind of kiss :-) |
| 06:23.33 | raster | oooh |
| 06:23.35 | raster | that kiss |
| 06:23.54 | rwhitby | here's where you say "Thank you my lord" |
| 06:24.58 | raster | mauls rwhitby with his sharp, white, pointy teeth |
| 06:25.00 | Eguy | I guess I missed that movie. I love Atkinson though. |
| 06:25.32 | rwhitby | raster: It's as cunning as a fox what used to be Professor of Cunning at Oxford University but has moved on, and is now working for the UN at the High Commission of International Cunning Planning? |
| 06:25.46 | rwhitby | s/?/!/ |
| 06:26.30 | dBsooner | rwhitby: how do I call restartluna from the palm bus? |
| 06:26.38 | dBsooner | s/palm/private/ |
| 06:26.49 | rwhitby | dBsooner: UTSL |
| 06:27.00 | rwhitby | Preware does it, right? |
| 06:27.10 | oil | preware calls ipkgservice |
| 06:27.12 | oil | to do it |
| 06:27.18 | oil | cause its not on private bus |
| 06:27.23 | rwhitby | right, so UTipkgserviceSL |
| 06:27.24 | dBsooner | i have tried: |
| 06:27.24 | dBsooner | this.controller.serviceRequest('palm://org.webosinternals.ipkgservice', { |
| 06:27.24 | dBsooner | method: "restartluna", |
| 06:27.24 | dBsooner | parameters: {} |
| 06:27.24 | dBsooner | }); |
| 06:27.47 | rwhitby | dBsooner: cut and paste the code from Preware |
| 06:28.00 | raster | rwhitby: that cunning eh? |
| 06:30.22 | Decimate | i think im going to set preware so only the patch feed loads |
| 06:30.28 | Decimate | thats all i use it for.. |
| 06:30.52 | Eguy | Decimate: I did a similar thing |
| 06:31.28 | rwhitby | raster: All I need is some feathers, a dress, some oil, an easel, some sleeping draught, lots of paper, a prostitute and the best portrait painter in England. |
| 06:32.15 | raster | you've got that one licked |
| 06:32.16 | raster | :) |
| 06:32.17 | oil | lol, that message made irc ding |
| 06:32.51 | Eguy | Hmm vkb isn't downloading for me |
| 06:33.00 | Eguy | Just stuck at downloading/replacing. |
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| 06:34.52 | rwhitby | bbl |
| 06:38.19 | Decimate | my camera app isnt working :/ |
| 06:38.46 | Eguy | What's not working? |
| 06:38.58 | Decimate | the app... :P i load and i get a blank grey screen |
| 06:39.12 | CardShark | Did you take the lense cap off? |
| 06:39.24 | Decimate | :P |
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| 06:39.27 | Eguy | Nicely done CardShark. |
| 06:39.35 | Eguy | Ah vkb finally installed. |
| 06:40.04 | Decimate | im gonna take the camera app from the doctor and replace mine with it |
| 06:40.11 | Decimate | maybe i did something i dont know about? |
| 06:40.48 | gollyzila | Maybe a reboot will fix it? |
| 06:41.08 | Eguy | Is it grey with recent picture behind it? |
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| 06:41.16 | *** mode/#webos-internals [+v jacques] by ChanServ |
| 06:42.36 | Decimate | restarting luna, replaced it with the fresh app from the doctor, if it doesnt work, ill reboot. if that doesnt work, ill explore into it more with eguy :) my friend is getting a pre plus and i told him about the update. can't have this happening when i go to school to show it off to him. |
| 06:43.10 | Eguy | Ahhh school.... |
| 06:43.14 | Eguy | Good times. |
| 06:43.24 | Decimate | replaced it with the doctor app, didnt work :/ rebooting. |
| 06:43.42 | Eguy | Sounds like you have a bigger problem. |
| 06:44.03 | Decimate | yeah, it would seem so. |
| 06:44.12 | Decimate | im not sleeping for school until its fixed though. |
| 06:44.24 | Eguy | It's just a phone :P |
| 06:44.27 | gollyzila | Does CLEANUP VKB files need a restart after install? |
| 06:44.34 | Eguy | gollyzila: Yes |
| 06:44.41 | Decimate | Eguy: one mans phone is another mans life. |
| 06:44.45 | gollyzila | It's THE phone |
| 06:44.52 | Eguy | Luna restart probably would be fine |
| 06:45.03 | psykoz | do you need to uninstall cleanup vkb after luna restart then install vkb? |
| 06:45.36 | Eguy | It removes itself after the reboot. |
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| 06:45.57 | Eguy | You will need to remove the vkb folder from /media/internal though |
| 06:46.38 | Decimate | hmm, restart fixed it. weird. |
| 06:46.43 | *** part/#webos-internals gollyzila (~gollyzila@cpe-76-168-247-211.socal.res.rr.com) |
| 06:48.40 | gollyzila2 | I need a stand to hold my devices in landscape. something like playdough where it can mold to anything |
| 06:48.51 | gollyzila2 | but something that smells nicer |
| 06:49.00 | Eguy | Playdoh is better off digested |
| 06:50.16 | gollyzila2 | I think playdough would smell worse after it's digested |
| 06:55.47 | Decimate | hah, im so bored i just recorded a video of me demoing my dual-display touchscreen monitors...uploading to youtube :P i love my pre. |
| 06:55.47 | gollyzila2 | CLEANUP VKB didn't cleanup the files. I had to do It manually. it wasn't a pain, but there are some that don't know SSH or any Terminal commands |
| 06:59.48 | Decimate | how big is the virtual keyboard download... ive been downloding for like.. a while. |
| 07:00.07 | Eguy | couple of kb |
| 07:00.11 | gollyzila2 | I'm excited to see how our phones handle Flash. Hopefully it's a tap-to-activate process. also, Palm needs to name their Browser. |
| 07:00.21 | gollyzila2 | decimate it takes a while |
| 07:00.47 | psykoz | gollyzila2, it looks like it's not a tap to activate process, but rather a |
| 07:00.56 | Decimate | my setup demo uploaded, yayyy :) who wants to see once its processed? |
| 07:01.00 | psykoz | gollyzila2, flash files that are on the site (ie: same domain name) auto-open |
| 07:01.17 | psykoz | gollyzila2, but flash files that are linked from another site (likely to be ads) don't auto-open (then you tap to open) |
| 07:01.47 | *** join/#webos-internals noaXess (~noaXess@gw.ptr-80-238-209-47.customer.ch.netstream.com) |
| 07:01.56 | psykoz | gollyzila2, that's what i at least gathered from seeing the several preview videos of it and assessing how they would try to keep you from being annoyed by ads all over your phones browser |
| 07:02.05 | noaXess | good morning |
| 07:02.11 | noaXess | right, 1-4 is available? |
| 07:02.24 | Decimate | no, 1.4 isnt out yet..still waiting. |
| 07:03.04 | psykoz | for Verizon? |
| 07:03.04 | gollyzila2 | Bummer, VKB still doesn't delete in browser |
| 07:03.04 | Eguy | 1.4 doesn't exist. |
| 07:03.05 | Decimate | whats a 1.4? |
| 07:03.05 | psykoz | 1.4 + 1.4 = 5 |
| 07:03.36 | Eguy | 5.0 is the next update. |
| 07:03.51 | jhojho | 5.1 |
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| 07:04.11 | Eguy | 5.1 will add a virtual keyboard. |
| 07:04.22 | Eguy | But it costs $99. |
| 07:04.50 | noaXess | hey.. webos 1.4 is downloading on my pre.. |
| 07:04.56 | gollyzila2 | what are you guys talking about. 5.1 is old. I'm rocking firmware version ⢠|
| 07:05.00 | Decimate | noaXess: ITS OUT?!?!? |
| 07:05.20 | noaXess | itÅ downloading.. thats why i ask here.. is there anything to look befor upgrade? |
| 07:05.32 | Eguy | gollyzila2: You lie! |
| 07:05.50 | Decimate | aww man, its out guys. get ready for all the questions. hopefully preware servers dont break...that would sure suck. but that would never happen... |
| 07:05.56 | Eguy | noaXess: You need to turn it off right now! 1.4 will destroy your phone! |
| 07:06.12 | Eguy | You need to install 1.3.6. |
| 07:06.12 | noaXess | Eguy: a friend has successfully updated it.. |
| 07:06.24 | noaXess | Eguy: and how? |
| 07:06.43 | Eguy | Email update@palm.com and ask for them to send it to you! |
| 07:06.47 | noaXess | is there a howto, information page? |
| 07:06.51 | Decimate | omg, on youtube before a video is processed the quality SUCKS |
| 07:07.00 | gollyzila2 | I think he believes you guys are serious |
| 07:07.09 | Decimate | gollyzila2: shhh. |
| 07:07.10 | Eguy | gollyzila2: You're right. |
| 07:07.14 | gollyzila2 | decimate what's the URL? |
| 07:07.19 | gkatsev | gollyzila2: what you havent gotten λ yet? you're missing out. |
| 07:07.28 | Decimate | lol, guys, look at how bad this quality is before the video is finished processing |
| 07:07.29 | Decimate | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0eRiEz-a9uc |
| 07:08.00 | Eguy | Yes, why don't you TURN A LIGHT ON. |
| 07:08.08 | Eguy | Of course it is going to be that bad. |
| 07:08.22 | Decimate | nooo, its good. but before its processed. |
| 07:08.31 | Decimate | i even have my video camera light patch on :) |
| 07:08.40 | gkatsev | or install jason's flash patch |
| 07:08.48 | gkatsev | ah, so you do |
| 07:09.03 | Decimate | you can see on the reflection of my monitor. |
| 07:09.06 | gkatsev | Decimate: hp machine? |
| 07:09.08 | noaXess | Eguy: why is there no information page on webos-internals.org |
| 07:09.12 | Eguy | Who needs two touchscreen monitors? |
| 07:09.13 | Decimate | gkatsev: yes. |
| 07:09.17 | noaXess | about the 1.4 problem? |
| 07:09.21 | Decimate | Eguy: who doesnt? |
| 07:09.29 | Decimate | noaXess: its all over the web... |
| 07:09.30 | gkatsev | Decimate: are both touchscreen? |
| 07:09.32 | Eguy | Everyone in the world |
| 07:09.35 | Decimate | gkatsev: yes. |
| 07:09.43 | noaXess | Decimate: ? |
| 07:09.49 | Eguy | noaXess: I don't know what you are talking about. |
| 07:09.54 | Eguy | What is webos-internals? |
| 07:09.58 | gkatsev | Decimate: external touchscreen monitor to the HP machine? |
| 07:10.14 | Decimate | gkatsev: i dont understand? :/ |
| 07:10.19 | Decimate | oh, yes. |
| 07:10.27 | Decimate | not that touchsmart crap :P |
| 07:10.38 | gkatsev | ah, ok. i see |
| 07:10.39 | noaXess | Eguy: what are you thinking is this channel for? |
| 07:10.43 | Eguy | Touchsmart uses N-Trig which is tragic. |
| 07:10.45 | gkatsev | Decimate: i assumed. |
| 07:10.58 | Decimate | noaXess: this channel is for iphones, right? |
| 07:11.08 | Eguy | iPhone and Android. |
| 07:11.20 | noaXess | wow... there are people that are drinking to much beer. ;).. please.. |
| 07:11.24 | gkatsev | also, for feature phones |
| 07:11.30 | gollyzila2 | and windows mobile |
| 07:11.46 | gkatsev | lg chocolate |
| 07:11.46 | Eguy | Yes, gkatsev. This channel is for Samsung Instinct users! |
| 07:11.49 | Decimate | Eguy: just refreshed the page of my youtube video. quality is a lot better now. |
| 07:11.59 | gkatsev | Eguy: haha, yes |
| 07:12.08 | Decimate | motorolla razr. |
| 07:12.08 | Eguy | Take it outside tomorrow, it takes great video. |
| 07:12.21 | gkatsev | Eguy: i was considering getting it when it came out. then realized it sucked. |
| 07:12.44 | Eguy | gkatsev: My brother got one sadly. |
| 07:12.50 | gkatsev | but before the hero and the pre/pixi came out on sprint, it was probably the best/cheapest phone on sprint |
| 07:12.51 | Decimate | gkatsev: i tried to tell my brother not to get it... he didnt listen. he was like "its going to kill the iphone!" |
| 07:12.55 | gkatsev | which is sad... |
| 07:13.00 | Eguy | He has thrown it against the wall a few times. |
| 07:13.15 | gkatsev | though, the commercials for it were cool |
| 07:13.18 | Eguy | It really is bad. |
| 07:13.24 | Eguy | Worse than the pixi. |
| 07:13.33 | Decimate | i bought an lg dare... so i didnt do much better. |
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| 07:13.42 | Decimate | i HATED that phone. |
| 07:13.55 | Eguy | That's for girls Decimate. |
| 07:13.55 | noaXess | hey guys was up to you? |
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| 07:14.11 | Eguy | English noaXess. |
| 07:14.16 | gkatsev | i had an SCP-7050 (still do actually) i kind of like it because it is ruggedized. |
| 07:14.23 | Decimate | Eguy: i was 12, dont judge me. |
| 07:14.32 | Eguy | So 1 year ago? |
| 07:14.36 | gkatsev | Eguy: 2 |
| 07:14.39 | gollyzila2 | HA! |
| 07:14.43 | Eguy | Ba-zing! |
| 07:14.54 | gkatsev | Eguy: you are not sheldon |
| 07:14.56 | Decimate | Eguy: 2, seriously :P |
| 07:15.14 | gkatsev | Eguy: Decimate is the youngest guy here. younger even than kesne |
| 07:15.30 | noaXess | why does 1.4 break the pre/pixi? |
| 07:15.38 | Eguy | That makes us all pedobears. |
| 07:15.43 | gkatsev | oh man. 15 days more days!!! |
| 07:16.25 | Decimate | gkatsev: 15 more days till... |
| 07:16.34 | Eguy | He can get wasted |
| 07:16.35 | gkatsev | my b-day. till i can drink legally |
| 07:16.47 | Decimate | mines the 30th |
| 07:16.57 | gkatsev | Eguy: im not gonna get wasted. i dont do that. |
| 07:17.05 | Eguy | You will. |
| 07:17.05 | gkatsev | but its nice to have the choice |
| 07:17.16 | Decimate | gkatsev: you don't do that, yet. |
| 07:17.33 | gkatsev | Decimate: no, i dont. i couldve done it if i felt like. i had plenty of chances |
| 07:17.44 | Decimate | gkatsev: haven't we all? :) |
| 07:17.45 | gkatsev | last year we had a party every tuesday. |
| 07:17.55 | Eguy | Just one day a week? |
| 07:17.56 | rwhitby | noaXess: go back 72 hours for @webosinternals on twitter |
| 07:18.12 | Eguy | Geesh we have gone off topic. |
| 07:18.26 | Decimate | its 2 AM, who cares? :P |
| 07:18.33 | Eguy | 11:30pm* |
| 07:18.37 | gkatsev | Eguy: well, we had work and classes. so, we had the tuesday party and then sometimes we had other parties on weekends |
| 07:18.40 | Decimate | no one else is talking. |
| 07:18.40 | Eguy | 17* |
| 07:18.41 | gollyzila2 | for the people that are out of school, is life easier or harder now that you're out of school? |
| 07:18.43 | gkatsev | Decimate: depends who you ask |
| 07:18.52 | gkatsev | Decimate: for rwhitby its GMT+10:30 |
| 07:18.55 | Eguy | gollyzila2: Depends |
| 07:19.12 | gkatsev | its, almost 6PM for him |
| 07:19.21 | Eguy | I love my job so it doesn't bring me down |
| 07:19.24 | gkatsev | gollyzila2: are you currently in school? |
| 07:19.28 | Decimate | i hear college is the easiest time of all, is it true? |
| 07:19.33 | gkatsev | Eguy: what do you do again? |
| 07:19.37 | noaXess | rwhitby: which entry on twitter? |
| 07:19.38 | gkatsev | Decimate: yeah, good luck with that |
| 07:19.40 | gollyzila2 | gkatsev I am |
| 07:19.49 | Eguy | gkatsev: IT Network Admin |
| 07:19.49 | Decimate | Eguy: standup comedian? |
| 07:19.53 | gkatsev | gollyzila2: High/college? |
| 07:20.02 | gollyzila2 | high, senior |
| 07:20.10 | gkatsev | gollyzila2: where you looking at? |
| 07:20.20 | Decimate | me as a freshmen, senior days cant come soon enough. |
| 07:20.20 | gkatsev | gollyzila2: or have you decided by now? |
| 07:20.25 | Eguy | Decimate: Not if you actually want to get a degree. |
| 07:20.41 | gkatsev | my highschool is famous. just google "newton south high school" |
| 07:20.47 | gkatsev | or, wikipedia it |
| 07:21.01 | gollyzila2 | still undecided |
| 07:21.09 | Decimate | what are you famous for? :P |
| 07:21.19 | Eguy | gollyzila2: Any interests in career paths? |
| 07:21.23 | gkatsev | Decimate: google "newton south scavanger hunt" |
| 07:21.28 | gkatsev | Decimate: or read the wikipedia page |
| 07:21.29 | rwhitby | Decimate: BTW, the people who read the logs of the channel looking for on-topic other timezone information care ... |
| 07:21.38 | sunmasterII | Can someone tell me, please, what gcc,binutils,{g,uc}libc, etc. etc. versions are used in WebOS? On these pages http://opensource.palm.com/1.3.1/index.html the versions of the build chain tools are not listed. |
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| 07:21.45 | rwhitby | that's why we have #webos-watercooler |
| 07:21.55 | Eguy | A relevant question! |
| 07:21.57 | gkatsev | yeah, we should probably migrate there |
| 07:22.07 | Decimate | lmao at that scavenger junt |
| 07:22.14 | noaXess | rwhitby: thank you... |
| 07:22.27 | rwhitby | sunmasterII: http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=preware/build.git;a=blob;f=toolchain/cs08q1armel/Makefile |
| 07:22.51 | Decimate | to the watercooler! |
| 07:22.56 | gollyzila2 | eguy: maybe coding or something in computers. Hacking WebOS is a lot of fun for me. |
| 07:22.59 | rwhitby | (that's what we use for webos-internals compiles) |
| 07:23.21 | Eguy | gollyzila2: Join #webos-watercooler |
| 07:23.37 | rwhitby | sunmasterII: actually, http://www.codesourcery.com/sgpp/lite/arm/portal/package1787/public/arm-none-linux-gnueabi/arm-2007q3-51-arm-none-linux-gnueabi-i686-pc-linux-gnu.tar.bz2 is the exact one that Palm uses |
| 07:23.49 | rwhitby | glibc 2.5 is the main thing you need |
| 07:27.36 | sunmasterII | rwhitby: Thanks you for the links. But if the 2007q3-51 is the one Palm uses, why does Makefile you referenced from git point to a newer one? |
| 07:29.07 | sunmasterII | Do you on webos-internal not try to (re)build as exactly as possible? |
| 07:33.03 | rwhitby | sunmasterII: for the widk, we use the exact one. the 2008q1 feed was already built for optware, so we use that. |
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| 07:37.19 | sunmasterII | rwhitby: Okay, thanks. |
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| 07:41.40 | egaudet | rwhitby, vkb is good to tweet now |
| 07:41.58 | rwhitby | egaudet: thx for that. the users will appreciate it |
| 07:42.26 | Nrbelex | Is anyone working on a patch to make vibration alerts for texts as long as they used to be instead of the same duration as E-mail vibrate alerts? |
| 07:42.27 | Eguy | Works great as well. |
| 07:46.01 | jhojho | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:46.22 | Decimate | jhojho: is that stopping you from using it..? |
| 07:46.34 | egaudet | alright, good night |
| 07:46.46 | jhojho | nah. just prefer to install from preware. |
| 07:46.52 | gkatsev | retweeted |
| 07:47.04 | gkatsev | egaudet: night. work tomorrow? |
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| 07:53.35 | gkatsev | hm... preware is stuck at loading package info... |
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| 08:07.09 | rwhitby | implements part 1 of his cunning plan |
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| 08:08.10 | Eguy | internets explode |
| 08:08.26 | chris__ | is everyone having issues updating their patches from the 1.4 update? |
| 08:09.02 | rwhitby | chris__: http://forums.precentral.net/webos-patches/232820-patches-1-4-you.html |
| 08:09.42 | rwhitby | 42% had no problems. The other 58% didn't listen :-) |
| 08:09.52 | chris__ | thanks i'll check it out |
| 08:09.55 | rwhitby | (or were affected by an overloaded server) |
| 08:13.58 | rwhitby | I just had a great idea. Preware should only download free apps that are *not* available in all countries. |
| 08:14.13 | rwhitby | (free app catalog apps) |
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| 08:18.28 | Eguy | I already bought NFS :( |
| 08:19.14 | MetaView | is it fre in US too? |
| 08:20.36 | rwhitby | MetaView: no |
| 08:20.57 | Eguy | Oh |
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| 08:25.54 | MetaView | rwhitby: I may made some mistake yesterday during git update? the log lines looked strange |
| 08:26.12 | rwhitby | MetaView: which repo? |
| 08:26.17 | MetaView | build |
| 08:26.51 | MetaView | MetaView 1.0.4 |
| 08:27.04 | MetaView | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:27.25 | MetaView | I still have some learning curve for git, sry |
| 08:27.42 | rwhitby | MetaView: that just means someone else independently updated the build repo, and git automatically merged the two changes because there was no content conflict. It's normal. |
| 08:28.01 | rwhitby | It is not an erro. |
| 08:28.02 | rwhitby | r |
| 08:28.16 | MetaView | ok, thx |
| 08:33.04 | jhojho | so fwiw, updating to 1.4 does not remove ebag's standalone gps hack |
| 08:36.10 | cryptk|work | jhojho: is that gps hack worth it? |
| 08:36.38 | jhojho | depends if you want standalone gps. |
| 08:36.54 | jhojho | it does seem to acquire a signal more quickly |
| 08:37.41 | jhojho | but ymmv since there is no app that can use standalone gps other than ##GPS# |
| 08:43.05 | MetaView | why not? |
| 08:47.51 | MetaView | rwhitby: tonight I will add the correct screenshots for Duke3D, is linking to the quake ones... |
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| 08:54.50 | Nrbelex | Dunno if any of you guys had the m.nytimes.com issue, but it looks like it was on the NYT's end, not the browser. It's working fine now. |
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| 08:58.05 | HebrewzHammer | can anyone here help me fix my usr account? They got reset after the 1.4 update |
| 08:58.26 | HebrewzHammer | linux usr account on my pre* |
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| 08:58.40 | masterhit | morning |
| 08:59.07 | HebrewzHammer | i dont think anyone is here |
| 08:59.50 | masterhit | oh |
| 09:00.27 | HebrewzHammer | yea, i needed help resetting up my linux account on my Pre b/c it got deleted after the 1.4 update |
| 09:01.22 | masterhit | hm. my Terminal app is b0rked |
| 09:01.33 | masterhit | i wanted to replace it by "Terminus" |
| 09:01.41 | HebrewzHammer | yea, but Terminus works until they fix Terminal |
| 09:01.47 | masterhit | but its gone from my optware feed |
| 09:02.16 | HebrewzHammer | wierd, its still on mine. It was just "Unknown" |
| 09:03.16 | masterhit | aaahhh. hsould look there ... |
| 09:05.57 | masterhit | perfect |
| 09:06.01 | masterhit | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:06.24 | HebrewzHammer | np |
| 09:06.36 | masterhit | so you need to reset your user account on pre? |
| 09:07.13 | HebrewzHammer | yea, the last time I did it was last year for the first time and everything wasn't "automated" |
| 09:07.45 | HebrewzHammer | ur supposed to be able to install some optware bootstrap that will do it but there is no prompt for entering anything |
| 09:07.46 | masterhit | hmm. my normal user is deleted, too. |
| 09:08.03 | rwhitby | HebrewzHammer: these days you install from Preware and set up ssh keys, not requiring a second user so it doesn't get deleted in OTA updates. |
| 09:09.29 | masterhit | well, i logg in from outside via ssh, and do not want to use root... |
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| 09:10.18 | masterhit | hi rwhitby, btw |
| 09:10.24 | rwhitby | then you will need to re-add the user every time webOS is updated |
| 09:10.59 | masterhit | aaah ok. so just adduser |
| 09:11.04 | masterhit | thanks |
| 09:11.27 | HebrewzHammer | so, I installed the optware bootstrap from Preware, now what do i do? |
| 09:12.11 | masterhit | open terminus |
| 09:12.18 | rwhitby | HebrewzHammer: which wiki page are you following? |
| 09:12.29 | HebrewzHammer | I just wanna be able to login to my Pre via PuTTY or WinSCP like I was before |
| 09:13.11 | HebrewzHammer | well i was trying to follow the "Next Steps" page but there's really nothing to follow |
| 09:13.17 | masterhit | open terminus, remount the filesystem and adduser |
| 09:14.14 | HebrewzHammer | umm, i think i just found where to go and what to do. Is it the OpenSSH page? |
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| 09:15.33 | HebrewzHammer | yea, looks like if I just read the big red box at the top of the other page telling me what to do I wouldn't be here wasting ppl's time |
| 09:15.44 | masterhit | for me the adduser thing worked ;) |
| 09:15.49 | masterhit | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:15.56 | masterhit | bows |
| 09:16.02 | xxbones21xx | anyone else having a lot of problems with preware? |
| 09:16.11 | masterhit | \o/ |
| 09:16.17 | HebrewzHammer | adduser idn't work for me, i'm just gonna follow the key instructions |
| 09:16.52 | HebrewzHammer | nah, Preware is working fine for me. Every now and then it hangs while loading packages but if I just tell it to update everything again it will work |
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| 09:34.18 | iSmite | morning |
| 09:34.50 | iSmite | my pres aggravating me as usual. normally it takes me 7 r so attempts to sign into aim but isnce doctoring last night it wont sign me in |
| 09:35.00 | iSmite | also is everyone elses pdf reader screwed |
| 09:35.39 | iSmite | goddamn why is aim always like this on the pre |
| 09:36.09 | iSmite | on the plus side, after 40 attempts and a doctor, radiotime actually installed |
| 09:40.27 | iSmite | downloading quickinstaller again. when it downloads the doctor and says gsm, there is more than one gsm..so which one is it and will it be 1.4? |
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| 10:10.33 | dtzWill | x staged :D |
| 10:10.49 | dtzWill | same issues as before; doesn't render right (and installing the built stuff takes a little poking) |
| 10:10.51 | dtzWill | but \o/ |
| 10:39.21 | iSmite | got a theme i cant remove, does not show up in preware |
| 10:39.41 | iSmite | or themer |
| 10:42.41 | iSmite | does anyone know the path where a theme zip would be located |
| 10:42.47 | iSmite | so i can delete |
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| 11:09.58 | iSmite | nvm just reinstalled the xml and it worked |
| 11:17.14 | iSmite | im getting loads of ipkg errors all of a sudden preware wont install anything |
| 11:29.12 | rwhitby | not unusual if you're using a theme |
| 11:32.32 | iSmite | theres a black theme i want but when i open the zip to remove some of the images and rezip it wont install says invalid xml file |
| 11:32.40 | iSmite | do you also have to edit the xml file |
| 11:34.25 | iSmite | also since 1.4 the pre constantly drops date connection its random |
| 11:34.30 | iSmite | and infuriating |
| 11:34.37 | iSmite | ~*data |
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| 11:59.13 | swisstomcat | hey |
| 11:59.22 | swisstomcat | is Mojo.Log.error broken in 1.4? |
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| 13:28.17 | alyazir | hi |
| 13:28.59 | alyazir | I have a problem updating some patches |
| 13:30.04 | alyazir | is someone willing to help? |
| 13:33.26 | alyazir | are there any known issues? |
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| 13:37.05 | alyazir | is it too early? everyone's still sleeping? ;) |
| 13:37.42 | jtrucks | yes |
| 13:37.47 | jtrucks | is sleep-ircing |
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| 13:41.26 | alyazir | ok, I guess i'll come back later... |
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| 13:47.58 | PuffTheMagic_ | sweet |
| 13:48.03 | PuffTheMagic_ | i got the black screen of update death |
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| 14:35.19 | Shura0 | hi all |
| 14:43.09 | mikewx | hello |
| 14:52.29 | Shura0 | does anybody use netstat? |
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| 14:53.05 | Shura0 | after yesterday's update traffic history does not work |
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| 14:58.09 | mikewx | i installed it yesterday |
| 14:58.13 | mikewx | i haven't looked at it yet though |
| 14:58.49 | mikewx | hrm, mine tells me netstatd isn't running |
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| 15:38.18 | DrFunk | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:40.34 | DrFunk | anyway to get a pre to work out of the US ? |
| 15:41.50 | mikewx | Shouldn't be too hard, pretty sure there are multiple GSM versions for use outside the US aren't there? |
| 15:42.41 | DrFunk | I'm not sure that's why I'm asking :) |
| 15:42.59 | cryptk | DrFunk: yes, there are lots of GSM versions and you can buy them unlocked |
| 15:43.06 | cryptk | pretty sure from O2 |
| 15:43.15 | cryptk | DrFunk: what country are you in? |
| 15:43.34 | DrFunk | cryptk: my buddie wanted to take his phone |
| 15:43.35 | mikewx | DrFunk: http://is.gd/9soH8 |
| 15:43.47 | DrFunk | I'm in US |
| 15:44.15 | DrFunk | so cryptk he has to buy a phone than correct ? |
| 15:44.19 | cryptk | ahhhh, so your buddy has a pre in the US already and he wants to take it outside the US with him? |
| 15:44.30 | mikewx | that's gonna be more complicated |
| 15:44.33 | cryptk | or does he not have one yet? |
| 15:44.49 | DrFunk | yes |
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| 15:45.23 | DrFunk | cryptk: he has one already |
| 15:46.39 | DrFunk | I was thinking maybe a software thing but guess that's a no go |
| 15:48.03 | DrFunk | so cryptk he has to buy another phone correct ? |
| 15:48.23 | DrFunk | ack |
| 15:48.44 | DrFunk | mikewx: he has to buy another phone right |
| 15:49.02 | mikewx | almost certainly :( |
| 15:49.06 | dBsooner | Anyone here speak German? |
| 15:49.23 | dBsooner | or Spanish? |
| 15:49.48 | DrFunk | ok mikewx that's a fact right noway around it |
| 15:50.05 | DrFunk | dBsooner: what are you trying to do ? |
| 15:50.18 | dBsooner | port my patch to world release |
| 15:50.24 | dBsooner | I need "Call Log" in other language |
| 15:50.31 | dBsooner | s/language/languages/ |
| 15:50.39 | dBsooner | and "Hide Call Duration" |
| 15:51.04 | DrFunk | ok you said speak spanish what do you need to no |
| 15:51.37 | dBsooner | not so much speak, but be able to translate for me. :) |
| 15:51.40 | dBsooner | I don't trust "google" |
| 15:52.06 | DrFunk | what do you want to translate |
| 15:52.10 | dBsooner | "call log" |
| 15:52.17 | dBsooner | and "Hide Call Duration" |
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| 15:53.44 | DrFunk | I believe call log is |
| 15:53.46 | DrFunk | registro de llamadas |
| 15:54.32 | dBsooner | instead of "Hide Call Duration" .. lets make it "Show Call Durations" |
| 15:55.23 | DrFunk | for the other I believe it's |
| 15:55.30 | DrFunk | Ocultar la duración de llamadas |
| 15:55.52 | DrFunk | that's hide |
| 15:56.33 | DrFunk | Mostrar durac |
| 15:57.06 | DrFunk | that's what my buddy told me he's PR |
| 15:57.43 | dBsooner | close enough.. I was just about to ask my PR buddy |
| 15:58.02 | DrFunk | so mikewx am I really shit out of luck |
| 15:58.20 | dBsooner | Monstrar duración de llamadas ? |
| 15:58.42 | DrFunk | for ? |
| 15:58.47 | DrFunk | show ? |
| 15:58.48 | dBsooner | "Show Call Durations" |
| 15:59.05 | mikewx | DrFunk: i doubt it, but your friend probably is. It's just like every other american gsm phone, it's locked to it's carrier |
| 15:59.22 | DrFunk | Mostrar duración llamada |
| 15:59.44 | dBsooner | not llamadas? |
| 16:00.11 | DrFunk | well that's what my buddy said |
| 16:00.42 | DrFunk | don't forget he's PR lol |
| 16:02.46 | dBsooner | PR |
| 16:02.49 | dBsooner | they are silly |
| 16:03.00 | DrFunk | dBsooner: tell me about it |
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| 16:03.47 | DrFunk | I will be back in a little while I have class for a hour |
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| 16:14.14 | dBsooner | oil: you there? |
| 16:14.38 | oil | for like 10 seconds before i walk out the door to go to work |
| 16:14.47 | dBsooner | ok.. real quick |
| 16:14.55 | oil | its not going to be fast enough |
| 16:15.00 | oil | im already gone |
| 16:15.02 | dBsooner | do you know if I set trueValue and falseValue in a widget |
| 16:15.05 | dBsooner | will it translate? |
| 16:15.13 | dBsooner | dang |
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| 16:28.14 | ianjlawrence | Did WebOS 1.4 knock out all patches on my palm Pre and make it nuable to reconnect to preware to download them |
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| 16:48.36 | oilsworkn | ok dbsooner, what was your q |
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| 16:49.11 | dBsooner | i figured it out |
| 16:49.20 | jacques | howdy |
| 16:49.27 | oilsworkn | well thats good |
| 16:49.30 | dBsooner | trueLabel: $L('Yes') |
| 16:49.44 | dBsooner | and then set "Yes": "Si" in strings.json |
| 16:50.19 | oilsworkn | right |
| 16:51.10 | dBsooner | i just wish someone was here that spoke GERMAN |
| 16:51.26 | dBsooner | I got french, spanish and italian down |
| 16:51.48 | hucksy__ | <- |
| 16:52.01 | dBsooner | you do? |
| 16:52.10 | hucksy__ | yep |
| 16:52.13 | dBsooner | Call Log |
| 16:52.17 | dBsooner | Hide Call Durations |
| 16:52.19 | dBsooner | Anruf Maschinenbordbuch ? |
| 16:52.34 | dBsooner | Verstecken Sie Ruf Zeitdauer ? |
| 16:52.46 | oilsworkn | dBsooner: http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=applications/preware.git;a=blob;f=resources/de/strings.json;h=c587e841c971a09eb0bcc34a03d787ab3701d984;hb=HEAD |
| 16:53.01 | dBsooner | oilsworkn: I got Yes and No |
| 16:53.02 | dBsooner | lol |
| 16:53.04 | dBsooner | those are easy |
| 16:53.05 | dBsooner | Ja |
| 16:53.10 | oilsworkn | oh |
| 16:53.16 | hape | dBsooner: Mey, I'm german what di you need? |
| 16:53.21 | oilsworkn | just tryin to be helpful xD |
| 16:53.22 | hucksy__ | Call Log = Anruferliste |
| 16:53.25 | dBsooner | I just need to figure out "Call Log" and "Hide Call Durations" |
| 16:53.42 | hucksy__ | Hide Call Durations = Verstecke die Anrufdauer |
| 16:53.53 | hape | Hide call duration= Anrufdauer verbergen |
| 16:53.57 | hucksy__ | jep |
| 16:53.59 | hucksy__ | also right |
| 16:54.06 | dBsooner | wiii |
| 16:54.13 | dBsooner | Thanks! |
| 16:54.20 | dBsooner | i am porting my patch to World Release |
| 16:54.33 | hucksy__ | 'Anrufdauer verbergen' is better |
| 16:54.40 | hape | your welcome. I tried this path and it diden work fpr germany. So I'm verry willing to help you dBsooner ;-) |
| 16:54.52 | dBsooner | hape: i'll send you the .patch file in a second |
| 16:54.58 | dBsooner | I need someone to test it |
| 16:54.58 | dBsooner | :) |
| 16:55.02 | dBsooner | i can't test german stuff |
| 16:56.06 | hape | ok, but please include the call for the patch command. I'm fiting with it every time again. |
| 16:56.20 | dBsooner | k |
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| 16:58.22 | r0dent | weeee |
| 17:00.05 | r0dent | so should I EPR before 1.4ing? |
| 17:00.15 | dBsooner | nah |
| 17:00.35 | r0dent | wonders if there's a FAQ |
| 17:01.33 | r0dent | I wonder if it messes up greg_roll's jabber patches |
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| 17:07.12 | hucksy__ | gregs plugins are not working on 1.4 |
| 17:07.41 | hucksy__ | thats why my pre is still on 1.3.5 ;) |
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| 17:11.40 | jacques | palm, please put up the 1.4 opensource packages, thanks. |
| 17:12.32 | oilsworkn | lol |
| 17:13.37 | dtzWill | jacques: threw x11 into git, fwiw |
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| 17:15.04 | jacques | dtzWill: nice. I'll take a look tonight :-) |
| 17:15.46 | jacques | dtzWill: someone else was having a similiar rendering issue with SDL - tman I think |
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| 17:17.38 | jacques | dtzWill: have you tried X with 1.4 ? I haven't |
| 17:17.52 | jacques | I suppose it's possible the issue is solved :-) |
| 17:17.58 | dtzWill | jacques: it is not unfortunately |
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| 17:21.10 | raydivens | anyone home? I've got a package manager question |
| 17:21.14 | jacques | dtzWill: OK, good to know :-\ |
| 17:21.31 | jacques | ~ask |
| 17:21.32 | infobot | Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. |
| 17:23.26 | raydivens | I just updated to 1.4 this morning. Everything went apparently smooth, but now package manager, file mgr and systoolsmgr are not running and I am unable to use programs reliant on them. Suggestion? |
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| 17:24.06 | Rick_work | palm please put the 1.4 sdk into public.... |
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| 17:24.35 | Rick_work | raydivens go into preware and do update all |
| 17:25.25 | oilsworkn | oil ping timeout? wtf |
| 17:25.30 | oilsworkn | i hate it when my house loses internets |
| 17:25.32 | raydivens | I would if preware would start. I get the message telling me that package manager isn't running, but it is installed. |
| 17:25.55 | oilsworkn | raydivens: thats weird |
| 17:25.59 | raydivens | same with the other two services |
| 17:26.38 | jacques | raydivens: had you updated to latest preware and ipkgservice before the 1.4 update? |
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| 17:27.24 | jacques | raydivens: which exact phone and carrier do you have? |
| 17:27.41 | raydivens | no I hadn't. I had a bug issue with missing launcher pages, so I doctored to 1.4 |
| 17:28.16 | raydivens | I'll uninstall everything once I get home and reinstall. Should fix it hopefully |
| 17:28.35 | jacques | raydivens: do you have novacom working to the phone? or ssh ? |
| 17:28.48 | jacques | if so, you could try the preware bootstrap script |
| 17:29.08 | raydivens | novacom yes, but I also lost terminal when I doctored. |
| 17:29.22 | Rick_work | terminal is currently borken in 1.4 anyway |
| 17:29.30 | Rick_work | but if you have novaterm you can run the preware script |
| 17:29.54 | raydivens | I'll just have to wosqi it when I get home in an hour |
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| 17:31.19 | raydivens | I was thinking I might be able to backdoor the package mgr via filecoaster or preload, but they aren't working either |
| 17:31.43 | jacques | I think your best bet is the bootstrap script |
| 17:32.05 | raydivens | terminal is not working |
| 17:32.07 | oilsworkn | well filecoaster can't install package manager |
| 17:32.14 | oilsworkn | and preload can't install services without package manager |
| 17:32.36 | jacques | bootstrap script over novaterm or ssh |
| 17:32.38 | oilsworkn | yeah, terminal is broken in 1.4 |
| 17:32.41 | oilsworkn | terminus still works |
| 17:32.41 | raydivens | but preload can, so I was going to install preload wit filecoaster. |
| 17:32.57 | oilsworkn | but preload uses the package manager to install advanced homebrew |
| 17:33.02 | oilsworkn | without it, its basically the same as filecoaster |
| 17:33.16 | oilsworkn | which can't install advanced packages |
| 17:33.52 | raydivens | wosqi is the way then. If I run into any roadblocks, I'll give jason a call |
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| 17:34.24 | oilsworkn | lol |
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| 17:34.39 | oilsworkn | hear that destinal-sleep? terminal is broken |
| 17:43.02 | dBsooner | WHAT? |
| 17:43.06 | dBsooner | TERMINAL is broken? |
| 17:43.13 | dBsooner | Dang. |
| 17:44.19 | oilsworkn | lol |
| 17:45.29 | ka6sox-work | sounds like Heresy to me. |
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| 17:46.15 | Guest21204 | hey everyone. Why cant I find the emergency recov patch?> |
| 17:47.07 | jacques | morning ka6sox-work |
| 17:48.38 | ka6sox-work | morning JackieRipper |
| 17:48.41 | ka6sox-work | wwhoopes |
| 17:48.46 | ka6sox-work | morning jacques |
| 17:48.48 | jacques | :-| |
| 17:48.48 | ka6sox-work | there. |
| 17:48.51 | jacques | :-D |
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| 17:49.03 | ka6sox-work | Autocomplete...blah |
| 17:51.54 | jacques | ka6sox-work: I've finally recovered from SCALE |
| 17:53.25 | ka6sox-work | jacques, it'll take me another week or so. |
| 17:54.10 | oilsworkn | so where is the pics etc from the booth? |
| 17:54.19 | azakus | update on luna crashes |
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| 17:54.40 | azakus | got a traceback from LunaSysMgr |
| 17:54.47 | oilsworkn | azakus: ever figure out that css mess |
| 17:54.49 | azakus | it's a cache eviction problem on uninstall of an application |
| 17:54.51 | azakus | oilsworkn: not yet |
| 17:54.56 | oilsworkn | :/ |
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| 17:57.32 | azakus | LOL |
| 17:57.33 | azakus | #1 0x35fc6148 in WTF::ThreadCondition::timedWait () |
| 17:58.02 | azakus | that is one of the threads of WebKitLuna when the crash happens |
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| 17:59.36 | azakus | webkit problem == badness |
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| 18:04.51 | Mousey | attempts to recover from 1.4 update |
| 18:05.13 | Mousey | ask me if i uninstalled my theme before pulling the trigger!! ^_^ |
| 18:06.12 | oilsworkn | im going to guess you didn't |
| 18:06.27 | Mousey | no, i'm a dumbass! |
| 18:06.37 | Mousey | <--- unintelligent donkey |
| 18:07.18 | oilsworkn | mouse/donkey cross breed abomination? |
| 18:07.27 | Mousey | and a moron! |
| 18:07.38 | Mousey | jackmouse |
| 18:07.43 | oilsworkn | seriously, thats like themes 101 |
| 18:07.46 | oilsworkn | remove it before updating the os |
| 18:07.47 | jacques | themes are bad, mmm`kay |
| 18:07.52 | Mousey | thats it rub it in |
| 18:07.57 | oilsworkn | they're like patches, just way worse |
| 18:09.34 | jacques | ~themes |
| 18:09.44 | oilsworkn | infobot needs to learn about themes |
| 18:09.57 | Mousey | will the phone get mad if i change its hostname? |
| 18:10.00 | Mousey | ~asl |
| 18:10.01 | infobot | Old enough, yes please, my place. |
| 18:10.12 | dBsooner | hape: you still here? |
| 18:10.50 | mjkjr|wirc | lmao @infobot |
| 18:11.04 | Mousey | i <3 infobot |
| 18:11.07 | dBsooner | or hucksy__? |
| 18:11.25 | hucksy__ | yep |
| 18:11.37 | dBsooner | can you do a more complicated one for me? |
| 18:11.41 | dBsooner | actually two. :) |
| 18:11.44 | hucksy__ | sure |
| 18:11.51 | dBsooner | You must restart Luna for this setting to take effect. Restart takes approximately 30 seconds. Restart Now? |
| 18:11.56 | oilsworkn | lol |
| 18:11.57 | dBsooner | and |
| 18:11.58 | dBsooner | Remember, you must restart Luna (or the phone) for this setting to take effect. |
| 18:12.00 | dBsooner | ROFL |
| 18:12.09 | dBsooner | a little more difficult. ;) |
| 18:12.33 | oilsworkn | "Your phone can't be reset because you dont have package manager service" |
| 18:12.35 | oilsworkn | what about that one? |
| 18:12.42 | dBsooner | Nope |
| 18:12.48 | dBsooner | They are SOL at that point. |
| 18:12.52 | oilsworkn | you know, i bet there is a way to restart luna on the private bus |
| 18:13.14 | hucksy__ | Du musst Luna neu starten, damit die Einstellung aktiv wird. Ein Neustart dauert in der Regel 30 Sekunden. Jetzt neu starten? |
| 18:13.34 | dBsooner | man, don't ask me to pronounce that |
| 18:13.37 | dBsooner | I am copy/pasting. |
| 18:14.23 | hucksy__ | Bitte beachte, dass du Luna (oder dein Handy) neu starten musst, damit die Einstellung aktiv wird. |
| 18:14.35 | dBsooner | what about "Luna Restart Required"? |
| 18:15.31 | hucksy__ | "Ein Neustart von Luna ist erforderlich" |
| 18:15.40 | dBsooner | thanks! |
| 18:15.47 | Mousey | danke! |
| 18:15.49 | oilsworkn | hucksy__ to the rescue |
| 18:15.53 | dBsooner | German = done |
| 18:15.57 | hucksy__ | or... no: "Neustart von Luna erforderlich" |
| 18:15.59 | Mousey | w0 = 0t! |
| 18:16.02 | hucksy__ | for the last one |
| 18:16.03 | hucksy__ | is better |
| 18:16.05 | hucksy__ | np |
| 18:16.06 | dBsooner | now for Spanish, French and Italian |
| 18:16.20 | dBsooner | waiting on ##translate to get me Italian |
| 18:16.25 | hucksy__ | hehe |
| 18:16.30 | Mousey | su tamales es listo! |
| 18:16.40 | Mousey | su tamales es listes! actually |
| 18:16.49 | nt4cats | Italian is just like Spanish, except you end every sentence with "eh?" |
| 18:16.56 | hucksy__ | lol |
| 18:17.14 | Mousey | su tamales es mas mejor con queso! |
| 18:17.23 | xalbo | Italian is the Canadian Spanish? Who knew? |
| 18:17.31 | Mousey | thats some bad spanish |
| 18:17.36 | Mousey | hahah, canadian spanish! |
| 18:17.46 | jacques | lol |
| 18:18.05 | ka6sox-work | I'll have to tell me Suegra that . |
| 18:18.31 | dBsooner | so we have no french, spanish or italian speakers here? |
| 18:18.34 | dBsooner | man we suck |
| 18:18.47 | oilsworkn | lol |
| 18:18.52 | nt4cats | xalbo: when an Italian says "eh?" it sounds like the beginning of the word educate. When a Canadian says "eh?" it rhymes with "Way". |
| 18:18.54 | Mousey | only speaks food spanish |
| 18:19.06 | nt4cats | Un hamburgersa con queso! |
| 18:19.17 | oilsworkn | dBsooner: there must be a couple, rwhitby got preware translated to all them |
| 18:19.17 | Mousey | that's hamburgerso |
| 18:19.28 | mjkjr|wirc | donde esta el bano? |
| 18:19.29 | xalbo | Mas cerveza, por favor. |
| 18:19.29 | nt4cats | my hamburgers are girls, I guess |
| 18:19.29 | dBsooner | oilsworkn: rwhitby knows everyone |
| 18:19.43 | Mousey | nt4cats: there's a certain logic there |
| 18:19.50 | nt4cats | s/ham/cheese/ |
| 18:19.56 | ka6sox-work | Mousey, Hamburgers are Feminine in Spanish |
| 18:20.08 | ka6sox-work | Hamberguesa |
| 18:20.12 | oilsworkn | unfortunately all the translation stuff was done while i took a little preware break |
| 18:20.19 | oilsworkn | and they did it the hard way xD |
| 18:20.50 | dBsooner | oh.. hucksy__: "Later"? |
| 18:20.51 | Mousey | woohoo's at the successful application of the boxee remote application. =) |
| 18:20.54 | Mousey | woohoo! |
| 18:21.30 | hucksy__ | dBsooner: mh, without any other hint... "später" |
| 18:21.31 | oilsworkn | so now my center button is completely white |
| 18:21.38 | dBsooner | oh |
| 18:21.44 | oilsworkn | i picked off the rest of the crap yesterday |
| 18:21.45 | dBsooner | As in the opposite of "now" |
| 18:21.48 | dBsooner | not Now, but later. |
| 18:21.52 | nt4cats | I turned off the throbbing nubbin on my Pre |
| 18:21.57 | hucksy__ | yep, "später" |
| 18:21.58 | hucksy__ | is right |
| 18:21.58 | nt4cats | It was unsettling |
| 18:21.59 | dBsooner | IN regards to doing something.. |
| 18:22.10 | nt4cats | (especially when the phone was sitting on the table in a dark room) |
| 18:22.12 | dBsooner | can I capitalize the s? |
| 18:22.29 | hucksy__ | dBsooner: "i'll do this later" in german... "Ich werde das später machen" |
| 18:22.31 | oilsworkn | i never used the patch to turn on the throbbing |
| 18:22.47 | Mousey | huggles his throbbing nubbins |
| 18:22.50 | oilsworkn | but since its included in 1.4, i've noticed it needed my attention twice |
| 18:22.52 | nt4cats | oils: you get throbbing patch-free in 1.4 |
| 18:23.02 | dBsooner | I have a trhobbing patch |
| 18:23.03 | dBsooner | oh wait |
| 18:23.07 | oilsworkn | and both times it was something stupid |
| 18:23.17 | Mousey | can you turn off the mailthrobbing in 1.4? |
| 18:24.04 | nt4cats | Mousey: yep. at the bottom of the "screen and lock" card |
| 18:24.08 | oilsworkn | i wonder what initiates the throbbing |
| 18:24.09 | Mousey | ah, k |
| 18:24.17 | Mousey | rubbin' the nubbin' |
| 18:24.29 | nt4cats | oilsworkn: it seems to correlate to any time you have a notification |
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| 18:24.58 | oilsworkn | so, every time a new dashboard scene is created? |
| 18:25.04 | jacques | my top bar looks strange with no carrier string - when palm said they fixed it so it didn't show sprint when roaming, I expected it to be other than blank |
| 18:25.14 | xalbo | Isn't it Mojo.Controller.StageController.indicateNewContent? |
| 18:25.19 | prefan89 | can sumone please help me install preware |
| 18:25.22 | dtzWill | jacques: this x thing is so strange! |
| 18:25.43 | dtzWill | jacques: I know you know that, but on the thought it was messing up the surface somehow (perhaps messing with the hidden data) |
| 18:26.02 | dtzWill | jacques: I decoupled them, created a buffer for X to play with, and blit it to the screen..... |
| 18:26.08 | hucksy__ | dBsooner: which app, btw? ;) |
| 18:26.20 | oilsworkn | s/app/patch/ |
| 18:26.25 | hucksy__ | oh |
| 18:26.34 | oilsworkn | call log duration |
| 18:26.40 | dtzWill | jacques: same result. hell i don't get an update if the only memory access to the primary video surface is me memsetting it |
| 18:26.44 | hucksy__ | ah, nice |
| 18:26.45 | prefan89 | can sumone please help me install preware |
| 18:26.49 | dtzWill | jacques: (but still shows when zoomed out) |
| 18:26.57 | oilsworkn | prefan89: have you read the wiki? |
| 18:27.19 | nt4cats | prefan89: did you follow the instructions at preware.org ? |
| 18:27.41 | Rick_work | prefan89 which of the three options on the wiki would you like to do? |
| 18:27.42 | oilsworkn | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Preware#Installing_Preware |
| 18:28.10 | jacques | dtzWill: it _is_ very strange |
| 18:28.13 | nt4cats | prefan89: the same information is available here, too -- http://preware.org/#/install/ |
| 18:28.14 | prefan89 | yes......i installd everything but it says my computer dont have novacam something |
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| 18:29.18 | dtzWill | jacques: that and as you noticed every keycode gets zero'd? |
| 18:29.48 | jacques | dtzWill: yes, but keysym is correct |
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| 18:30.19 | dtzWill | jacques: oh even if the scancode is zero? okay, didn't check that. rendering is first priority :) |
| 18:30.27 | dtzWill | jacques: but good to know |
| 18:30.43 | Mousey | so mail isn't working again? |
| 18:30.47 | jacques | dtzWill: yeah, keysym is correct, and mounse (touchscreen) coordinates look good too |
| 18:31.15 | jacques | I think it we can get rendering working, we will be very close |
| 18:31.26 | dtzWill | jacques: oh that's good news too. although the mouse doesn't MOVE but hey at least input is getting most of the way there |
| 18:32.14 | jacques | something strange with alpha too - when I use 32bpp, even the card view looks wrong, _unless_ I go through and set all the A channel to opaque |
| 18:32.26 | jacques | which is not my understanding of how it is documented to work |
| 18:32.56 | jacques | supposedly alpha only matters for compositing - only matters for source surfaces, not dest |
| 18:33.09 | jacques | but I have to set A channel to opaque on the dest surface |
| 18:33.34 | dtzWill | jacques: don't they blit it to some internal surfrace anyway? that's how they do the automatic resolution scaling...? |
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| 18:33.54 | dtzWill | jacques: maybe they only do that if the surface they expose as the main video one is the wrong, i don't remember |
| 18:34.08 | MetaView | hi |
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| 18:38.43 | jacques | dtzWill: yeah I suspect our issues are related to the "internal" stuff which is done |
| 18:40.09 | jacques | dtzWill: did you notice that the hidden pointer is only non-NULL when 32bpp surface is used? |
| 18:41.52 | dtzWill | jacques: I haven't looked, I partly ruled out a corrupt hidden field when I noticed that I can make it so no pointer to the main video surface ever escapes to other code... yet we still have the rendering issue |
| 18:42.32 | dtzWill | jacques: my previous thought was it's not switching rendering targets correctly--apparently when it's in card mode and when it's fullscreen they are different, and that gets done through some hook call that they make from SDL_PumpEvents |
| 18:42.40 | dtzWill | jacques: which X never called. unfortunately that didn't fix it either :) |
| 18:43.16 | dtzWill | jacques: errr i guess pumpevents is called when you poll, shrug. but regardless that seemed to fit the bill |
| 18:43.37 | dtzWill | jacques: also i don't *know* hidden isn't getting botched _somehow_, but it's not directly through some sloppy memcpy off the end of the framebuffer or something |
| 18:44.46 | jacques | dtzWill: I intend to compare the contents of the hidden and non-hidden buffers |
| 18:45.35 | dtzWill | jacques: sounds like a plan, and a compelling possibility. let me know if you find anything (or find that you don't :)) |
| 18:46.14 | jacques | there is also the whole blank / unblank thing - entry points palm added in their SDL patches, which unfortunately are hidden symbols |
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| 18:46.49 | jacques | it could be the fb is being blanked at the wrong time |
| 18:46.56 | dtzWill | jacques: argh. yeah quite possibly |
| 18:47.15 | dtzWill | jacques: there are a lot of state variables that could be getting messed up. but *why* would X be doing so? how?? haha |
| 18:47.38 | dtzWill | jacques: and many of those are in the hidden struct, so maybe you're right |
| 18:47.59 | jacques | dtzWill: that's the real question - why do some apps have rendering issues and others which seemingly access the SWSURFACE in the same way, do not |
| 18:49.24 | jacques | once again (looking at you palm) it would help quite a bit if we had all the source to build SDL - we are missing things |
| 18:49.40 | jacques | like the hidd headers |
| 18:49.51 | dtzWill | very much agreed :/ |
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| 18:55.27 | prefan89_ | hi everyone i downloaded everything so i could get pre ware but still it does not apear in download box |
| 18:58.29 | oilsworkn | download box? |
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| 18:58.45 | nebula | awww, meta-doctor doesn't work for me :( |
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| 19:00.55 | bougyman | hrm. so I install 1.4, start terminal, and my pre reboots. |
| 19:00.56 | prefan89_ | i mean the webos box thing where you install it |
| 19:01.03 | bougyman | i think i should have read a CHANGES file that I missed. |
| 19:01.26 | oilsworkn | bougyman: terminal doesn't work in 1.4 |
| 19:01.35 | bougyman | oilsworkn: as I see. |
| 19:01.37 | oilsworkn | prefan89_: in webos quick install? |
| 19:01.39 | bougyman | i also can't ssh to it. |
| 19:01.43 | bougyman | is that also known? |
| 19:01.55 | oilsworkn | afaik that stuff is all ok |
| 19:01.55 | bougyman | and of course MyTether stopped working. |
| 19:02.08 | oilsworkn | though i dont ssh to my pre |
| 19:02.08 | prefan89_ | yes |
| 19:02.11 | bougyman | hrm. it's not accepting my ssh key, nor password auth. |
| 19:02.15 | bougyman | how do you get in to it? |
| 19:02.23 | oilsworkn | prefan89_: you clicked the third button, checked preware and package manager, clicked download? |
| 19:02.28 | bougyman | i can't terminal nor ssh, those are the only two methods I've used. |
| 19:02.34 | bougyman | maybe I have to put it in dev mode again? |
| 19:02.41 | bougyman | after the upgrade, that is. |
| 19:03.40 | prefan89_ | ok where is the package manager |
| 19:03.40 | jacques | bougyman: upgrade did not affect my devmode |
| 19:03.42 | prefan89_ | i clicked the the blue arrow and preware does not pop up |
| 19:03.50 | bougyman | so how the hell do I get in now? |
| 19:03.55 | bougyman | it's like 1.4 completely locked me out. |
| 19:04.12 | bougyman | ssh is still listening but passwords aren't workin. |
| 19:04.14 | oilsworkn | prefan89_: in the menu at the top, choose the webos-internals feed |
| 19:04.41 | bougyman | is there a novaterm for lin? |
| 19:04.58 | oilsworkn | bougyman: no clue |
| 19:05.04 | oilsworkn | you could always try terminus |
| 19:05.58 | bougyman | found it |
| 19:07.21 | Guest13048 | maeh |
| 19:07.37 | oilsworkn | oh |
| 19:07.59 | prefan89_ | yes i clicked that and it still aint there |
| 19:08.41 | oilsworkn | so you select "WebOS Internals Feed (all)" in the dropdown at the top |
| 19:08.52 | oilsworkn | and the list below it doesn't show preware or the package manager service? |
| 19:10.06 | bougyman | huh, it removed the user I had on ther completely with the upgrade. |
| 19:10.24 | bougyman | and changed the root passwd |
| 19:10.26 | bougyman | very odd. |
| 19:10.32 | bougyman | oilsworkn: you use MyTether? |
| 19:10.36 | bougyman | that's another app 1.4 broke. |
| 19:10.40 | bougyman | checks the forum. |
| 19:10.44 | jacques | bougyman: update overwrote /etc/passwd |
| 19:10.47 | oilsworkn | bougyman: no i dont, i'm on sprint |
| 19:11.17 | en0x | mytether works with 1.4 there was an update yesterday |
| 19:11.20 | prefan89_ | no it has other stuff except that |
| 19:11.35 | bougyman | en0x: thx |
| 19:11.40 | hucksy|arghh | better |
| 19:11.54 | oilsworkn | prefan89_: i really don't know what to tell you |
| 19:12.17 | prefan89_ | ok im goin to try to do it thanks anyways |
| 19:12.30 | oilsworkn | if you select "WebOS Internals Feed (all)" in the dropdown at the top, and the list below it doesn't have preware or the package manager service, then something is terribly wrong |
| 19:12.34 | oilsworkn | because thats exactly how you do it |
| 19:12.44 | hucksy|arghh | btw Mousey: gregs messaging plugins wont work with 1.4 |
| 19:12.49 | hucksy|arghh | at the moment |
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| 19:15.22 | Mousey | hucksy|arghh: yah, i'm noticing. ^_^ |
| 19:15.35 | Mousey | and i fixed mail, tho i swear i found a bug |
| 19:15.42 | Mousey | already posted in precentral |
| 19:15.47 | hucksy|arghh | aah |
| 19:15.48 | hucksy|arghh | k |
| 19:16.21 | hucksy|arghh | hope greg will fix this soon |
| 19:16.23 | hucksy|arghh | need 1.4 :p |
| 19:18.13 | oilsworkn | 1.4 feels better then 1.3.5 to me |
| 19:18.41 | Rick_work | I like the new "app starting" image thing. |
| 19:18.58 | JayCanuck | app splash screen, I love it too |
| 19:19.00 | oilsworkn | yeah, thats nice |
| 19:19.33 | JayCanuck | from the looks of the stage controller framework js it's possible to turn it off programmably |
| 19:19.49 | azakus | oilsworkn: interesting report on webos forums. Some vendor names are getting css disabled |
| 19:19.52 | oilsworkn | maybe its just a placebo, but it feels smoother overall |
| 19:20.03 | oilsworkn | azakus: hm |
| 19:20.10 | hucksy|arghh | stopp it ;) |
| 19:20.11 | hucksy|arghh | damn |
| 19:20.52 | dBsooner | hape: ping |
| 19:21.17 | oilsworkn | Rick_work & JayCanuck: i also like the command menu change |
| 19:21.27 | oilsworkn | from slide in/out to a quick fade |
| 19:21.28 | JayCanuck | same |
| 19:22.35 | bougyman | en0x: how long should I let it sit on unapplying the patch? |
| 19:22.39 | bougyman | it's been like 6 minutes. |
| 19:22.43 | oilsworkn | lol |
| 19:22.48 | azakus | oh crap |
| 19:22.56 | azakus | having "js" in the name might disable css? |
| 19:23.02 | oilsworkn | lolol |
| 19:23.11 | oilsworkn | disable all css? or just those loaded? |
| 19:23.14 | dBsooner | hucksy|arghh: ping |
| 19:23.30 | oilsworkn | azakus: one thing i didn't try, was sticking a <style> tag right in the scenes html |
| 19:23.34 | bougyman | oh great it just rebooted spontaneously |
| 19:23.46 | bougyman | this is like the 19th time. |
| 19:23.48 | azakus | bougyman: bug in webcore on clearing cache |
| 19:23.53 | azakus | looks like a double free |
| 19:24.10 | bougyman | woe is me |
| 19:24.22 | azakus | I'm sure it's already fixed, and that 1.4.1 will have it |
| 19:24.33 | azakus | it's probably one of those head slapper bugs |
| 19:24.50 | bougyman | is 1.4.1 released? |
| 19:24.53 | azakus | FUCK |
| 19:24.55 | bougyman | i just updated like 2hours ago |
| 19:24.59 | azakus | oilsworkn: yep js in the name breaks css |
| 19:24.59 | oilsworkn | oh |
| 19:25.06 | oilsworkn | thats very funny |
| 19:25.28 | oilsworkn | i wonder what made them think to do that |
| 19:25.34 | oilsworkn | (assuming it was on purpose) |
| 19:25.40 | azakus | no clue |
| 19:25.46 | azakus | but jstop has to be renamed then |
| 19:25.55 | oilsworkn | "jayestop" |
| 19:26.05 | oilsworkn | lol |
| 19:26.28 | mjkjr|wirc | lol |
| 19:26.30 | oilsworkn | its ok though, people always thought it was pronounced j-stop |
| 19:26.42 | oilsworkn | intead of js-top |
| 19:27.15 | oilsworkn | lol |
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| 19:28.14 | mjkjr|wirc | so the formatting in "jayestop" should be fixed soon? |
| 19:28.36 | oilsworkn | lol |
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| 19:29.13 | azakus | hmm |
| 19:29.51 | azakus | maybe J.S.Top |
| 19:29.54 | azakus | I'll try that |
| 19:30.28 | oilsworkn | next they'll block everything org.webosinternals. |
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| 19:30.58 | mjkjr|wirc | I would really hope not |
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| 19:31.19 | oilsworkn | if that happens, at least wirc will still work xD |
| 19:32.00 | azakus | I'm sure there was a good reason, or it's a bug |
| 19:32.32 | bsiegel | Has anyone had any trouble, driver-wise, with their device after 1.4? |
| 19:32.36 | bsiegel | When I plug mine in now, Windows detects a new device which it can't find drivers for. |
| 19:32.48 | oilsworkn | i haven't attempted to hook up my pre since the update |
| 19:32.56 | oilsworkn | but i also upgraded my pc from xp to 7 |
| 19:33.04 | mjkjr|wirc | bsiegel: nope, all is great since 1.4 for me :-) |
| 19:34.10 | mjkjr|wirc | besides JSTop looking crazy and terminal not working |
| 19:34.26 | oilsworkn | lol |
| 19:34.29 | azakus | mjkjr|wirc: that one isn't my fault at least |
| 19:34.48 | azakus | 1.4 disables css for any app with "js" in their appId |
| 19:34.56 | oilsworkn | so crazy |
| 19:34.56 | bsiegel | As far as I can tell, the Hardware ID was changed slightly in 1.4... Before, it was USB\VID_0830&PID_8002&MI_01 but after 1.4 it is now just USB\VID_0830&PID_8002 |
| 19:36.04 | nebula | anyone here successfully ran meta-doctor? |
| 19:36.17 | mjkjr|wirc | azakus: I know. I'm glad you figured that out. |
| 19:36.51 | mjkjr|wirc | azakus: you think that was an accident or intentionally? |
| 19:40.23 | azakus | no clue |
| 19:40.47 | xcomp | hmmm ... how do you use git behind a prox? |
| 19:40.52 | xcomp | s/prox/proxy/ |
| 19:42.04 | dBsooner | anyone have a non-US pre want to test my patch? |
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| 19:42.42 | psykoz | lol |
| 19:42.45 | psykoz | you guys will like this |
| 19:42.48 | psykoz | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=380731 |
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| 19:57.19 | en0x | anyone got cool sounds for sms and email? |
| 19:58.35 | hucksy|arghh | crazy frog? |
| 19:58.53 | en0x | lol |
| 19:58.57 | hucksy|arghh | ;) |
| 19:59.45 | en0x | http://i.imgur.com/0jJBp.png |
| 20:01.07 | hucksy|arghh | scary |
| 20:01.48 | en0x | yap |
| 20:05.35 | dBsooner | JayCanuck: ping |
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| 20:08.33 | nebula | pong |
| 20:08.37 | nebula | echo reply |
| 20:08.40 | nebula | ... |
| 20:08.58 | nebula | icmp packet denied. |
| 20:09.32 | nebula | JayCanuck: I like silver anyways. |
| 20:09.49 | JayCanuck | lol |
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| 20:13.03 | nebula | JayCanuck: you can't possibly tell me Miller doesn't kick ass. |
| 20:13.05 | nebula | ;) |
| 20:13.14 | nebula | and i ain't talkin about beer :-D |
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| 20:15.06 | egaudet | http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=2270744#post2270744 |
| 20:15.12 | spotter | seems I pressed too hard down on the center button and pre went crack |
| 20:15.23 | spotter | thankfully getting replaced under tep for free |
| 20:15.41 | spotter | getting used to use my pre w/ keyboard only :) |
| 20:17.17 | spotter | egaudet, re mixed patches, for the tough cases, couldn't a patch being created on the fly |
| 20:17.27 | nebula | cisco bug id CSCtf31218 |
| 20:17.29 | nebula | woot. |
| 20:17.34 | spotter | i.e. arch that lets oyu drop in snippets and have a patch be created out of the snippets |
| 20:17.37 | nebula | ph34r m3 |
| 20:17.54 | egaudet | spotter, by tough cases do you mean like the device menu example? |
| 20:18.10 | spotter | yes |
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| 20:18.44 | egaudet | well those ones are less worrisome because they don't create subset patches, since the context changes the individual ones will fail to install when a mix is installed |
| 20:19.27 | egaudet | my first worry are the direct concatenation of multiple patches that create subset patches. |
| 20:19.34 | psykoz | Sprint was a dick with me about usb crack near my screen. At the point in time I really just didn't feel like trying to haggle with Palm directly on the issue so I just paid some $80 fee they gave me to swap me out a brand new Pre. Being a busy parent sometimes $80 is just too quick of a fix than spending a lot of time on the phone, rma'ing things, shipping stuff back and forth, etc |
| 20:19.37 | spotter | yes, I agree there |
| 20:19.46 | spotter | but I think it be nice if there was an arch to create on demand patches |
| 20:19.47 | psykoz | I'm glad they were cooler with you on the button-area crack |
| 20:19.49 | spotter | i.e. for search for instance |
| 20:20.05 | spotter | psykoz, I have the usb crack too |
| 20:20.10 | spotter | they wouldnt do anything for me |
| 20:20.28 | idontwan2know | Sprint will not replace for the USB crack, unless you find an uneducated/"helpful" sales rep. |
| 20:20.29 | egaudet | on-demand patches for something like device menu I think would be a lot of trouble |
| 20:20.44 | psykoz | aye, such a stupid issue that they won't, it's so common place it should be in their system as a known issue |
| 20:20.57 | egaudet | it's easy when you know what and where things are changing, but a system that figures this all out by itself is a lot i think |
| 20:21.42 | spotter | egaudet, for serch I think it would be easy |
| 20:21.51 | spotter | just drop in snippets w/ image |
| 20:21.55 | spotter | in known places |
| 20:22.02 | spotter | and create a patch out of the snippets |
| 20:22.07 | egaudet | Not sure what you mean |
| 20:22.17 | spotter | the google/wikipedia ... search thingy |
| 20:22.23 | spotter | that was popular to patch at least at one point |
| 20:23.07 | egaudet | I don't see the big picture from a user point of view that you are hinting at |
| 20:23.22 | spotter | lets say I want to add multiple different search providers to my pre |
| 20:23.27 | spotter | I'd think currently they'd conflict |
| 20:23.30 | spotter | could be wrong |
| 20:23.37 | en0x | so palm got my pre with the usb crack last week on wednesday.. they haven';t contacted me yet... does anyone know how long does it take for palm to respond? |
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| 20:31.11 | smoofra | anybody know how to get the pre to stop resetting ip_forward ?? |
| 20:32.38 | egaudet | spotter, so how would a system know how to make them not conflict |
| 20:32.52 | spotter | cause the patches are all the same |
| 20:33.00 | spotter | there's recipes for how to create them in the wiki |
| 20:33.10 | spotter | they can be listed one after each other |
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| 20:33.13 | egaudet | that's what I'm saying is that a generic system to handle conflicts that can be resolved vs. knowing which conflicts are unresolvable is -hard- |
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| 20:33.23 | egaudet | spotter, yes manually |
| 20:33.26 | egaudet | not generically |
| 20:33.33 | spotter | right, I'm saying for specific types of patches, can create combined patches on the fly |
| 20:33.36 | spotter | for ones there are recipes for |
| 20:34.01 | spotter | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:34.02 | egaudet | then it becomes non-generic and the complexity of maintaining and adding new recipes gets really burdensome |
| 20:34.42 | spotter | idea would be something like http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Patch_Browser_Global_Search_Addons |
| 20:34.57 | spotter | where one could add multiple providers in an automated fashion |
| 20:35.43 | spotter | basically a patch for the this.URLs that is dynamically created, a patch for the clearSearch: function() that is dynamically created and finally for the html/css files |
| 20:36.02 | spotter | that way one could have as many providers as they want |
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| 20:36.58 | egaudet | again how would you dynamically create these? This would be entire new system that is outside of the current patching system? |
| 20:39.03 | egaudet | I mean you can make a specific app that would be able to generate a patch based on the known possibilities or user provided options for browser global search addons |
| 20:39.33 | egaudet | but it's very specific to that and needs the knowledge of what is going where. I can't see it having any widespread generic abilities |
| 20:40.39 | dBsooner | DID IT! |
| 20:40.55 | dBsooner | I wrote my first full patch .. including world release. |
| 20:41.12 | en0x | :) |
| 20:43.25 | Mousey | installs it |
| 20:43.34 | Mousey | aah! bricked my phone!! |
| 20:43.43 | Mousey | laughs at funny joak |
| 20:43.53 | chrisa | precentral forums are better than the comments lately |
| 20:46.32 | en0x | :> |
| 20:47.45 | smoofra | anybody know what pmnetconfig is? |
| 20:48.10 | chrisa | < |
| 20:49.16 | mjkjr|wirc | world release!? good job dBsooner! |
| 20:49.26 | dBsooner | Yep, world release. |
| 20:49.31 | dBsooner | tested to work great on a german pre. |
| 20:50.11 | MetaView | that's the world, indeed :p |
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| 20:52.02 | hucksy|arghh | lol |
| 20:53.14 | mjkjr|wirc | how about a patch to make the lockscreen bug permanent? |
| 20:53.15 | dBsooner | well, its a start. |
| 20:53.43 | MetaView | dBsooner: right :) |
| 20:53.51 | idontwan2know | lockscreen bug? |
| 20:54.14 | en0x | the one that is crashing luna? |
| 20:54.32 | dBsooner | MetaView: I have it translated in French, Spanish, Italian and German |
| 20:57.24 | mjkjr|wirc | I like it. like whatever card I had open stayed there while locked rather than reverting to my wallpaper |
| 20:58.30 | idontwan2know | Was the card still running, or just a frozen image of it? |
| 20:59.14 | mjkjr|wirc | still running |
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| 21:01.03 | TCWilliams | hi |
| 21:01.46 | Mousey | decides 4x4 isn't as cool/pretty/useful as 5x4, switches |
| 21:02.27 | mjkjr|wirc | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:06.05 | mjkjr|wirc | cryptk said something along the lines of, if/when palm releases a fix then maybe that "new" lockscreen could be an option |
| 21:09.12 | destinal | for me, my lockscreen bug is that the screen just freezes after unlock rather than unlocking and being usable -- are others having the same problem? |
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| 21:09.52 | destinal | well, by freezes, it shows the clock, and the clock updates, but I can't _do_ anything |
| 21:11.03 | destinal | anything from your lawyer? |
| 21:13.17 | destinal | hmm, strange pidgin related issues, bbiab |
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| 21:15.02 | mjkjr|wirc | mine was still usable after unlocking, went straight back to whatever card I was using. or if I had the launcher open rather than a card it would show that while locked |
| 21:19.56 | rwhitby | morning |
| 21:20.35 | mjkjr|wirc | good morning |
| 21:20.43 | dBsooner | morning rwhitby |
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| 21:21.31 | xcomp | sup rod |
| 21:21.48 | mjkjr|wirc | rwhitby: what time is it for you? |
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| 21:27.41 | rwhitby | mjkjr|wirc: 8am, Tue |
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| 21:36.12 | Flashpass | so has there been any announcements to the availability of Flash on the Pre, or is it still comepletely unknown? |
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| 21:37.11 | dBsooner | anyone in here still have a 1.3.5 device? |
| 21:37.15 | mjkjr|wirc | Flashpass: it will be available when adobe releases the plugin |
| 21:37.18 | dBsooner | and willing to test something for me? :) |
| 21:37.56 | Flashpass | mjkjr|wirc: right, i was wondering about the avilability of this magical plugin :) |
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| 21:41.09 | rwhitby | bbl |
| 21:43.05 | mjkjr|wirc | Flashpass: no one knows and anyone that does would have to kill whoever they told :-) |
| 21:45.39 | oilsworkn | or if eguy was here, he would say tomorrow |
| 21:46.00 | Eguy | Flash is coming out tomorrow. |
| 21:46.41 | mdklein | it appears that there are 2 new pdl functions in 1.4 one to enable/disable gestures... and 1 called checklicense which I'm guessing is probably headed towards some application DRM |
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| 21:47.17 | oilsworkn | see? |
| 21:50.24 | bhuey | btw, I'm getting a lot of crashes with Luna in 1.4 |
| 21:50.33 | bhuey | anybody encounter the same thing ? |
| 21:50.54 | psykoz | I've had some weird funky issues with 1.4 I'm thinking of doctoring and starting clean slate |
| 21:50.55 | bhuey | seems to happen more when I run programs like Doom which wasn't a problem in 1.3.5 |
| 21:51.06 | psykoz | It's deleted random emails and videos |
| 21:51.10 | bhuey | yea, the instabilty is unacceptable |
| 21:51.20 | idontwan2know | mdklein: kinda surprised the app catalog got out of beta without DRM for apps. the transaction failed when I DL'ed Assassin's Creed and I was shocked to find the game still worked and I was able to update it, redownload it, etc. |
| 21:51.26 | bhuey | no, haven't had that problem yet |
| 21:51.31 | bhuey | I'm not going to doctor it just yet |
| 21:51.32 | psykoz | And I occasionally get a unlock screen that exposes the whole screen but the lock button is there, so it looks like the "phone" app with the "lock" button on top of it |
| 21:51.49 | bhuey | psykoz: I get hangs when it renders at times |
| 21:52.04 | psykoz | I wouldn't consider any of these unacceptible until I redoctor, if you're modding/patching your Pre you shoudl expect instability honestly |
| 21:52.14 | bhuey | big rotations involving heavy graphics operations |
| 21:52.21 | psykoz | That's like questioning why you were bitten for stepping in a snake pit |
| 21:52.30 | bhuey | yeah, it's got some mods |
| 21:52.43 | Eguy | psykoz: We all have that problem with the lock screen clock. |
| 21:52.45 | idontwan2know | Only issue I've had was not getting email notifications until I manually opened the email app at which point it asked me to confirm my accounts and they started working again |
| 21:52.52 | Eguy | Palm didn't bug test this release very well. |
| 21:53.01 | nxg125 | idontwan2know: I had that happen to me too |
| 21:53.07 | bhuey | I'm getting Luna restarts |
| 21:53.13 | bhuey | fairly regularly |
| 21:53.20 | oilsworkn | lock screen clock problem? |
| 21:53.24 | bhuey | and the memory leak problem is worse in some way now |
| 21:53.44 | bhuey | no clock problems yet |
| 21:54.03 | bhuey | bluetooh state problems though |
| 21:54.08 | Eguy | oil: When my phone is on the puck, there is no clock, just the yellow circle. |
| 21:54.12 | bhuey | had to restart the device |
| 21:54.23 | Eguy | Works fine after a reboot though. |
| 21:56.00 | oilsworkn | has never had that |
| 21:56.24 | Eguy | It occurs randomly for me. |
| 21:56.36 | psykoz | Eguy, so Flash beta tomorrow? |
| 21:56.49 | oilsworkn | im contemplating weather or not to post in the "meed webos devs" thread |
| 21:57.01 | oilsworkn | and right now im leaning towards not, lol |
| 21:57.03 | Eguy | psykoz: Sure. |
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| 21:57.31 | mjkjr|wirc | my lockscreen bug happened once right after 1.4 and hasn't came back since I restarted |
| 21:57.33 | bhuey | in general, 1.4 has been problematic right ? |
| 21:57.41 | mjkjr|wirc | is bummed |
| 21:57.43 | psykoz | Oh nevermind see you were being sarcastic ;) |
| 21:57.50 | oilsworkn | eguy heard it from a friend, who heard it from a hobo, who overheard two adobe execs talking about it while in line at starbucks |
| 21:57.58 | Eguy | Lies! |
| 21:58.03 | Eguy | They were in line at KFC. |
| 21:58.05 | bhuey | battery life is crappier aswell |
| 21:58.08 | oilsworkn | lol |
| 21:58.17 | psykoz | bhuey, weird, I've had better battery life |
| 21:58.29 | psykoz | bhuey, infact such that i just stopped using smartreflex finally |
| 21:58.32 | Eguy | Battery life is better for 1 bar of signal. That's about it. |
| 21:58.34 | psykoz | it's acceptible without smartreflex on |
| 21:58.37 | oilsworkn | jeez bhuey aka deby downer |
| 21:58.45 | mjkjr|wirc | bhuey: you just want to complain? lol, Everything seems better with 1.4 |
| 21:58.53 | bhuey | my phone is patches bt not that heavily with system lelve stuff |
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| 21:59.30 | Eguy | Some things are better, some things are not. |
| 21:59.49 | bhuey | mjkjr|wirc: yes, I want to complain. i'm not one of those blind fanboys even though I love this device |
| 21:59.50 | Eguy | 1.3.5 was faster for me for certain things. JS is definitely faster in 1.4. |
| 22:00.02 | psykoz | I'm more happy overall with 1.4, though I think palm needs to rethink the new card loading for specific apps |
| 22:00.09 | bhuey | 1.4 has definitely been faster |
| 22:00.14 | bhuey | buti t's also a lot more unstable |
| 22:00.16 | psykoz | I really wish the phone app would just load straight into it, not the new card loading mechanism |
| 22:00.35 | oilsworkn | i haven't had any instability problems with 1.4 |
| 22:00.35 | psykoz | Or if Palm would give me sticky cards that'd be cool and an acceptible fix to the new "wait a few seconds" splash screen concept |
| 22:00.44 | bhuey | the main benefit of this device is stability, if that's gone, it's a big problem for me |
| 22:01.08 | bhuey | the best thing I can do at this point is start removing some patches to see if it helps with things |
| 22:01.16 | nxg125 | psykoz: what do you mean "sticky?" Can't you just leave the phone card open? |
| 22:01.27 | Eguy | I leave the phone card open now. |
| 22:01.34 | mjkjr|wirc | I haven't had any issues with 1.4, also have about 40 patches that cause no I'll effects on my phone |
| 22:01.41 | oilsworkn | well patches are the devil, so no wonder you're having problems |
| 22:01.44 | MetaView | dBsooner: the link to submit patches for 1.4? |
| 22:02.00 | Eguy | oil: I thought Preware is the devil. |
| 22:02.08 | idontwan2know | me either....other than the email thing I mentioned, 1.4 has been smooth as silk for me |
| 22:02.10 | oilsworkn | no |
| 22:02.17 | Eguy | Oh. Never mind. It was coded by the devil. ;) |
| 22:02.20 | oilsworkn | it just opens the door to hell where the patches live |
| 22:02.24 | mjkjr|wirc | I think some problems are the users phone rather than the OS. some people have all these issues and some don't have any, hmmm |
| 22:02.40 | idontwan2know | And I have about 25-30 patches installed |
| 22:02.42 | oilsworkn | as far as the phone app |
| 22:02.47 | oilsworkn | if you open it and then toss it |
| 22:02.58 | oilsworkn | subsequent launches don't do the loading thing |
| 22:02.58 | Rick_work | oil, if someone had not upgraded preware to aupt before 1.4, what should they run after the 1.4 update? EPR? |
| 22:03.14 | oilsworkn | Rick_work: i dont know |
| 22:03.25 | Eguy | Rick_work: They need to kill their phone with fire. |
| 22:03.25 | oilsworkn | they shouldn't have updated to 1.4 before updating preware and all their patches xD |
| 22:03.47 | mjkjr|wirc | lol |
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| 22:04.04 | oilsworkn | but i think EPR will work |
| 22:04.07 | Rick_work | problem is, this person doesn't actually USE his phone much. |
| 22:04.10 | oilsworkn | i really don't know much about patches |
| 22:04.20 | hucksy | hmm, webosdoctor shows "INFO: got devices 0" |
| 22:04.25 | hucksy | damn |
| 22:04.25 | oilsworkn | if they have trouble getting preware to load (a bug that was fixed right before 1.4) |
| 22:04.43 | oilsworkn | they need to continuously tap the screen while its downloading/loading packages |
| 22:05.26 | Eguy | Conan easily has the best twitter on the net. |
| 22:09.16 | mjkjr|wirc | Rick_work: webos qi could also be used as an alternative to update them, or just doctor and start fresh |
| 22:09.56 | mjkjr|wirc | Eguy: @conan ? |
| 22:10.01 | bhuey | 1.4 is a major update for sure |
| 22:10.27 | psykoz | nxg, sure, you could just leave your webbrowser tabs open but firefox and chrome have decided you want sticky tabs that way you can't accidentally close them and it's a novel concept |
| 22:11.05 | psykoz | if an app is something you always want open, it doesn't have to always auto-open but having it pinned is a nice concept, especially in the new loading case where trying to get into the phone app is a 3-7second ordeal now with the splash screen |
| 22:11.25 | psykoz | or maybe a whitelist of apps that load immediately without a splash screen |
| 22:11.30 | psykoz | sorta like the low mem whitelist |
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| 22:12.12 | bhuey | psykoz: it'll probably take some time before these issues get sorted out |
| 22:12.17 | bhuey | hopefully sooner than later |
| 22:12.19 | mjkjr|wirc | psykoz: mine literally takes one second to open, maybe it's only slow and displays the flash the first time after a restart? |
| 22:13.36 | mjkjr|wirc | actually doesn't show the splash screen at all when I open my phone app, straight to it. so it must only do it the first time |
| 22:13.49 | oilsworkn | yeah |
| 22:13.52 | oilsworkn | then its in the background |
| 22:14.33 | Mercury | So, is it possible to simulate incoming phone calls in the WebOS VM? |
| 22:14.42 | psykoz | it shows the splash screen everytime I go to it and it consistently is between 3 or 7 seconds before it loads up to full screen, it's not a huge issue though *shrug* |
| 22:15.32 | Rick_work | oilsworkn preware - curent version - list of everything - pkg-list exception Typerror Object false has no method "toLowerCase" |
| 22:15.49 | oilsworkn | thats no good |
| 22:16.03 | oilsworkn | a package with no name? |
| 22:17.15 | Rick_work | I updated feeds, seems all better now |
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| 22:19.50 | mjkjr|wirc | psykoz: that's doesn't seem normal. I checked my phone app a few more times. I can only get it once right after a reset. my phone app actually loads faster than it used to, no lag. Interesting... |
| 22:20.02 | bhuey | was there a fix for the Yahoo chat credential issues ? |
| 22:20.21 | bhuey | it never logs in even though I know it's the correct password |
| 22:20.40 | oilsworkn | well step 1: get away from yahoo, lol |
| 22:20.56 | bhern | bhuey, try deleting and readding your account |
| 22:21.08 | bhuey | tried that, no avail |
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| 22:22.59 | psykoz | mjkjr|wirc, seems to be 30 seconds of idle time without the phone app running = fresh new start for it, but as I stated to bhuey earlier I'm not going to officially complain about anything ever to begin with but I really am not going to take everything for 100% of what its worth until I do a complete fresh doctor to 1.4 and then see suckage after that ;) |
| 22:24.44 | mjkjr|wirc | psykoz: wow, that probably would be a little annoying. hopefully a fresh doctor will smooth it out for you. |
| 22:25.31 | egaudet | is there a standard way to build binaries for emu |
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| 22:26.54 | psykoz | mjkjr|wirc, nod |
| 22:27.56 | nfoxTc | anyone see how many cards they can have open under 1.4 yet |
| 22:28.07 | Smubeht | anyone have a pre that like when it starts up black overlay is there, and then only if u swipe up does stuff pop up, and then from there only a few apps work. my phone app just sits there blinking and wont open up etc |
| 22:28.20 | Smubeht | i was playing nfs when installing virtual keyboard and the pre restarted on me |
| 22:28.31 | Smubeht | just wondering if anyone has seen weird stuff like that |
| 22:28.40 | bhuey | bhern: been thinking about doing a partial erase but I don't know what that'll destroy |
| 22:29.06 | MetaView | rwhitby is sleeping? |
| 22:30.14 | Smubeht | notification bar is just white with nothing in it |
| 22:32.10 | idontwan2know | Sounds like your pre needs a trip to the doctor |
| 22:32.18 | Smubeht | was hoping to evade that step |
| 22:32.22 | Smubeht | dont wnat to lose everything |
| 22:33.14 | rwhitby | MetaView: no, commuting |
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| 22:33.57 | Mercury | Er, hrm. Is there no 1.4 SDK yet? |
| 22:34.25 | BoomerET | Supposedly early this week. |
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| 22:34.34 | Mercury | That's, annoying. |
| 22:34.56 | Mercury | Especially as people with apps in the app store probably got access before 1.4 went out to phones. |
| 22:35.13 | acydlord | dunno about that |
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| 22:37.11 | nfoxTc | you guys know the reset network settings option? |
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| 22:38.17 | nfoxTc | what exactly does it do because sometimes mytether will be stubborn and I have to keep doing it everyonce and a while |
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| 22:43.09 | Smubeht | is there an easy way to back up sms? |
| 22:43.22 | Smubeht | last time i tried something i epicly failed and lost everything |
| 22:43.27 | destinal | egaudet: binaries for emulator? you just get an x86 linux box and build normally, like "make" |
| 22:43.48 | MetaView | Smubeht: if you find the db where the sms are stored, it's easy... |
| 22:44.02 | Smubeht | can i do this in usb mode? |
| 22:44.08 | egaudet | destinal, well I'm trying to build wircd for the emulator, but when I run it on emulator it complains about glibc 2.7 |
| 22:44.16 | egaudet | so obviously I'm not linking correctly |
| 22:44.19 | MetaView | Smubeht: no, I don't think so |
| 22:44.39 | egaudet | and/or I don't know what I'm doing |
| 22:44.40 | chrisa | Do people actually want to read books on a screen the size of a credit card? |
| 22:45.03 | oilsworkn | chrisa: some do? |
| 22:45.13 | Smubeht | might not be entirely reading the book |
| 22:45.20 | Smubeht | but perhaps referencing one by having it on hand |
| 22:45.44 | psykoz | I do most of my daily reading on the Pre, via google reader |
| 22:46.04 | psykoz | landscape view of google reader is really easy on the eyes for me |
| 22:46.09 | MetaView | why does the ipk of the webinternals homebrew contains the whole source code and stuffß |
| 22:47.20 | Smubeht | cant seem to uninstall virtual keyboard using wosqi. i cant open preware because it does same thing as phone app just opens up and sits blinking icon back and forth(left this for 2 hours while at work to see if it would eventually), but i have a feeling its the misinstallation of vk that did this for me. as my pre restarted mid installation |
| 22:49.08 | idontwan2know | did you try the obsolete keyboard app? |
| 22:49.31 | Smubeht | good call is that available on wosqi? |
| 22:49.42 | chrisa | oilsworkn: judging by these ebook apps |
| 22:49.46 | idontwan2know | not sure |
| 22:49.53 | Smubeht | ill look. thanks |
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| 22:50.03 | egaudet | obsolete keyboard package doesn't do much anymore |
| 22:50.09 | oilsworkn | I know _I_ wouldn't want to |
| 22:50.19 | egaudet | cleaning up USB files is now incorporated into VKB package |
| 22:50.24 | oilsworkn | i prefer the tactile experience of reading an actual book |
| 22:50.39 | egaudet | webos-patches.log should tell you what's going on |
| 22:50.40 | oilsworkn | not that i do it all that often |
| 22:53.28 | destinal | egaudet: how do you make the libircclient directory? |
| 22:53.57 | destinal | oh nm, ./configure -- I was one level too deep (in src) |
| 22:54.45 | oilsworkn | oh yay, might just get that wircd binary after all xD |
| 22:56.18 | egaudet | destinal, would it be because libircclient is built as a static library it is using symbols for a glibc I have locally which is later version than the one in emu |
| 22:56.59 | destinal | egaudet: could be. wonder why it's not dynamic |
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| 22:58.34 | Smubeht | using wosqi i get Error: An error occursed while attempting to run /tmp/ipkgScript.sh Check for md5sum in /usr/lib/ipkg/info like 50 times 1 of 15 hunks failed or something |
| 22:58.36 | destinal | egaudet: how do you build the stub liblunaservice again? |
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| 22:58.46 | destinal | egaudet: err, where is it.. |
| 22:59.19 | egaudet | are the servers down? |
| 22:59.32 | Smubeht | wish WOSQI's msgbox was a scrolling box that way i could get the whole thing |
| 22:59.36 | egaudet | destinal, I just grabbed it off emulator. |
| 22:59.47 | destinal | egaudet: ah, good call |
| 22:59.56 | egaudet | I can't get to webos-internals.org right now |
| 22:59.58 | ka6sox-work | lemme look |
| 23:00.01 | destinal | egaudet: uh, me neither |
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| 23:00.21 | oilsworkn | neither |
| 23:00.30 | destinal | hmm, apache seems to be stopped |
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| 23:00.40 | oilsworkn | oh, there it is |
| 23:00.52 | DrFunk | ping dBsooner |
| 23:01.04 | destinal | ka6sox-work: you started it back up? seems to be running now |
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| 23:01.16 | ka6sox-work | destinal, ya |
| 23:01.50 | oilsworkn | the server is just too popular |
| 23:02.10 | DrFunk | sup destinal |
| 23:02.16 | destinal | DrFunk: hey |
| 23:03.41 | DrFunk | destinal: thinking of the colts game you going to be around for that ? |
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| 23:03.50 | oilsworkn | wonders how many times destinal has been asked about termplugin since 1.4 dropped |
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| 23:04.20 | GreedyB2 | how would someone install a theme from precentral that is not in preware feeds yet? |
| 23:04.24 | jacques | I've seen 100 myself |
| 23:04.25 | DrFunk | why not use terminus ? |
| 23:04.52 | DrFunk | GreedyB2: WOSQI |
| 23:04.56 | mjkjr|wirc | destinal: will terminal be working soon? :-) |
| 23:05.00 | destinal | DrFunk: terminus has issues but yeah those issues are currently a bit less than segfaulting Luna :) |
| 23:05.01 | oilsworkn | lol |
| 23:05.18 | Smubeht | ran epr from wosqi lets see if that did it |
| 23:05.25 | Smubeht | prays or something |
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| 23:05.38 | oilsworkn | sadly, the one browser plugin we got is not working so hot |
| 23:06.07 | destinal | oilsworkn: IMO its architecture could use some work. we're shoving too much stuff into Luna for my tastes |
| 23:06.29 | DrFunk | so destinal you think you might be around for the colts game |
| 23:06.45 | DrFunk | opps was a pm |
| 23:06.48 | DrFunk | ack |
| 23:06.48 | destinal | DrFunk: I'll probably be too busy working on terminal to notice football :) |
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| 23:06.56 | egaudet | destinal, plus terminus is pre-only |
| 23:07.16 | destinal | egaudet: oh, right, no pixi SDL support |
| 23:07.27 | Eguy | lol pixi. |
| 23:07.43 | egaudet | PuffTheMagic_, ping |
| 23:07.46 | destinal | I was sure they'd want to have that fixed for 1.4 |
| 23:07.49 | mjkjr|wirc | Eguy: nothing to lol over |
| 23:08.10 | Eguy | It wouldn't be funny if it had the OMAP. |
| 23:08.33 | DrFunk | oilsworkn: look what you started |
| 23:08.42 | oilsworkn | the pixi should be pitied? |
| 23:08.52 | oilsworkn | hey, i didn't start it |
| 23:09.05 | DrFunk | :) |
| 23:09.09 | Eguy | Don't act innocent oil. |
| 23:09.19 | oilsworkn | i haven't even tried to use termplugin yet |
| 23:09.34 | oilsworkn | i heard someone whining it crashed their pre |
| 23:09.41 | DrFunk | btw destinal if terminal is not done before the colts game quit |
| 23:09.50 | oilsworkn | lol |
| 23:10.12 | GreedyB2 | DrFunk WOSQI themer won't install anymore |
| 23:10.25 | oilsworkn | so, go themeless till they get it all worked out |
| 23:10.39 | DrFunk | GreedyB2: what version of WOSQI you using |
| 23:10.42 | destinal | DrFunk: not just the crash bug, there's lots of stuff to do on Terminal :) |
| 23:10.43 | mjkjr|wirc | themes are bad anyways |
| 23:10.54 | GreedyB2 | DrFunk 3.02 |
| 23:10.54 | oilsworkn | they don't get nearly as much love as patches do, thats for sure |
| 23:11.14 | DrFunk | destinal: I no man but I'm making a far trip so we can catch that game |
| 23:11.15 | mjkjr|wirc | and they shouldn't lol |
| 23:11.26 | lemketron | Hey there... 1.4 SDK has been posted. Get it while it's hot! |
| 23:11.27 | lemketron | http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&layout=page&id=1788&Itemid=21# |
| 23:11.33 | mjkjr|wirc | most things a theme does you can change without one IMO |
| 23:11.38 | oilsworkn | destinal: im relatively sure i pushed the change to make the keycommands pop a new stage instead of over your current one to kill your session |
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| 23:12.09 | destinal | oilsworkn: only relatively sure? |
| 23:12.13 | oilsworkn | yeah |
| 23:12.19 | destinal | lemketron: awesome! |
| 23:12.19 | oilsworkn | i guess i could look at gitweb xD |
| 23:12.44 | oilsworkn | yeah, its there, never relased though, lol |
| 23:13.02 | oilsworkn | "The Camera API has been extended to let an app initiate video capture, in addition to image capture" oooh |
| 23:13.21 | Mousey | erases precorder |
| 23:13.37 | DrFunk | lol @ Mousey |
| 23:13.44 | PuffTheMagic_ | egaudet: pong? |
| 23:13.58 | DrFunk | can't believe you still had it installed |
| 23:14.03 | egaudet | how do I build wircd for emu |
| 23:14.21 | PuffTheMagic_ | just like for arm but against i686 binaries |
| 23:14.34 | egaudet | I took /usr/lib/* from the emu and -L it |
| 23:14.48 | egaudet | but then when I run the binary on the emu it complains because it is looking for GLIBC_2.7 |
| 23:15.00 | DrFunk | darn I will bbl need to drive now |
| 23:15.03 | PuffTheMagic_ | yeah |
| 23:15.15 | egaudet | so I need the libc stuff from the emu /lib/* right? |
| 23:15.30 | PuffTheMagic_ | or a better toolchain |
| 23:16.36 | egaudet | i'm building on my x86 desktop |
| 23:16.36 | destinal | PuffTheMagic_: better than gcc? |
| 23:16.59 | PuffTheMagic_ | s/better/correct/ |
| 23:17.00 | jacques | still no opensource patches tho :-( |
| 23:17.06 | PuffTheMagic_ | built using the right libc |
| 23:17.11 | egaudet | I don't get where/how to get it to use the right libc |
| 23:17.25 | egaudet | does it need to build the libircclient.o against it? |
| 23:17.39 | PuffTheMagic_ | evertyhing needs to be built with it |
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| 23:18.34 | egaudet | so I basically need a chroot |
| 23:18.47 | PuffTheMagic_ | egaudet: yeah that is how i did it |
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| 23:19.02 | PuffTheMagic_ | so umm |
| 23:19.13 | PuffTheMagic_ | is it asking or 2.7? |
| 23:19.16 | PuffTheMagic_ | or bitching cause 2.7 was used |
| 23:19.22 | PuffTheMagic_ | when 2.5/6 should have been |
| 23:19.26 | egaudet | the latter |
| 23:19.48 | PuffTheMagic_ | yeah, glibc is too new on my gentoo setup so had to use a chroot also |
| 23:20.09 | PuffTheMagic_ | cause the cross- stuff doesnt want to build a new i686 toolhchain |
| 23:20.18 | PuffTheMagic_ | it tries to be too smart |
| 23:20.24 | PuffTheMagic_ | it goes? |
| 23:20.39 | PuffTheMagic_ | "you are building an i686 toolchain with an i686 toolchain dumbass, not continuing" |
| 23:21.10 | PuffTheMagic_ | else my crossdev setup would have been 100% perfect |
| 23:22.01 | PuffTheMagic_ | egaudet: u gonna autobuilderize it? |
| 23:22.03 | GreedyB2 | would there ever be a way to basically image your pre like you do a computer? |
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| 23:22.14 | PuffTheMagic_ | GreedyB2: of course there is |
| 23:22.32 | PuffTheMagic_ | dd |
| 23:22.33 | egaudet | PuffTheMagic_, I have no clue how to autobuilderize it at this point |
| 23:22.59 | PuffTheMagic_ | egaudet: the authobuilder shoulkd have all the right versions for emu and device |
| 23:23.01 | egaudet | Do we have any emu setup in the widk? or is that strictly arm r |
| 23:23.16 | PuffTheMagic_ | oooo |
| 23:23.18 | PuffTheMagic_ | idk |
| 23:24.57 | destinal | egaudet: generally we haven't needed it -- not sure what's unique about wircd, but I can build libterminal on stock ubuntu |
| 23:25.13 | destinal | err termplugin |
| 23:25.19 | PuffTheMagic_ | i was gonna say |
| 23:25.23 | PuffTheMagic_ | when did a miss that |
| 23:25.30 | lemketron | Puff: FWIW, I used crosstool-ng to build the x86 toolchain that is used to build the emulator rootfs. |
| 23:25.35 | egaudet | yeah I don't get what the issue with wircd is |
| 23:26.02 | PuffTheMagic_ | egaudet: there is no issue |
| 23:26.07 | PuffTheMagic_ | use glibc 2.6 |
| 23:26.19 | egaudet | PuffTheMagic_, I don't have to do that to build termplugin |
| 23:26.27 | egaudet | why do I need to do that for wircd |
| 23:26.37 | egaudet | that's the "issue" i referred to |
| 23:26.44 | PuffTheMagic_ | ummm |
| 23:26.49 | oilsworkn | wircd wears a helmet to school? |
| 23:27.42 | PuffTheMagic_ | egaudet: wircd is using a function that uses different symbols in different versions of glibc |
| 23:27.58 | PuffTheMagic_ | so when you build it against 2.7 a symbol is getting included that is not in 2.5 |
| 23:28.00 | egaudet | what function? |
| 23:28.02 | PuffTheMagic_ | idk |
| 23:28.07 | PuffTheMagic_ | btu that is whats happening |
| 23:28.19 | PuffTheMagic_ | so use the right glibc |
| 23:28.21 | Eguy | oilsworkn: wircd rides the short bus. |
| 23:28.22 | PuffTheMagic_ | and call it day |
| 23:28.38 | PuffTheMagic_ | Eguy: thats an understatement |
| 23:29.09 | oilsworkn | it chases after the short bus yelling "WAIT FOR ME?!"? |
| 23:29.15 | egaudet | PuffTheMagic_, I'm not trying to just get it to work for me, but be able to be incorporated into autobuilding and widk etc... or whatever standards we use |
| 23:29.39 | PuffTheMagic_ | i understand that... and using the right glibc is the proper way |
| 23:29.40 | egaudet | also in the meantime get oil a x86 version of wircd top tree |
| 23:29.47 | PuffTheMagic_ | egaudet: no |
| 23:30.09 | oilsworkn | lol |
| 23:30.14 | PuffTheMagic_ | just create a branch in wirc based on the commit before it started doing shit |
| 23:30.17 | PuffTheMagic_ | and work from there |
| 23:30.23 | PuffTheMagic_ | since we prob wont keep the lag shit |
| 23:30.37 | egaudet | PuffTheMagic_, it's the subscription stuff that is the major change in the new stuff |
| 23:30.42 | oilsworkn | yeah |
| 23:30.46 | oilsworkn | dont want to throw all that away |
| 23:31.07 | PuffTheMagic_ | oilsworkn: i thought u didnt give a shit about those changes |
| 23:31.15 | egaudet | we can easily just throw in a new commit right now to remove the lag stuff |
| 23:31.17 | PuffTheMagic_ | nor were you sold on them being useful |
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| 23:31.29 | oilsworkn | PuffTheMagic_: i thought you said it was way better that way and it should always be done that way? |
| 23:31.42 | PuffTheMagic_ | oilsworkn: yeah that is what I said |
| 23:31.47 | PuffTheMagic_ | oilsworkn: since when do you agree with that |
| 23:31.55 | oilsworkn | I've gotten over it |
| 23:32.00 | oilsworkn | if it works it works |
| 23:32.10 | PuffTheMagic_ | if you want to work from that point fine |
| 23:32.27 | PuffTheMagic_ | but i've formatted my dev box and have not recreated my dev rootfs |
| 23:32.34 | PuffTheMagic_ | so i cant do any cc at the moment |
| 23:32.39 | oilsworkn | ah |
| 23:32.40 | Smubeht | how can i view a .db3? is there anyway? |
| 23:32.53 | oilsworkn | do you happen to have logs of the last time i asked for an emu build? |
| 23:32.54 | destinal | Smubeht: any sqlite3 client |
| 23:33.05 | oilsworkn | i also recently formatted, and lost my old irc logs |
| 23:33.17 | oilsworkn | the omploader url is probably still valid |
| 23:33.19 | oilsworkn | if it can be found |
| 23:33.32 | PuffTheMagic_ | lemketron: yea i know crosstool-ng can do it, and gentoo tools are basically the same thing and should do it too, its just being to smart for itself and I never looked into getting around it |
| 23:33.52 | PuffTheMagic_ | oilsworkn: i think egaudet should just get it autobuilding |
| 23:33.58 | oilsworkn | lol |
| 23:34.11 | oilsworkn | and as far as the lag stuff |
| 23:34.13 | oilsworkn | we should keep it |
| 23:34.14 | egaudet | sure I'll get it autobuilding as soon as I know what our plans for emulator building are... |
| 23:34.20 | oilsworkn | just tone its polling way way down |
| 23:34.23 | egaudet | we aren't going to require chroot |
| 23:34.48 | egaudet | and I'm guessing it has to work on ubuntu 9.10 server |
| 23:34.55 | oilsworkn | so it doesnt turn the pre into a hand warmer |
| 23:34.58 | PuffTheMagic_ | egaudet: chroot is how I got around it cause my i686 libs used glibc 2.7.... the autobuilder should be using 2.5 |
| 23:35.01 | PuffTheMagic_ | or 2.6 |
| 23:35.05 | PuffTheMagic_ | and if its not |
| 23:35.06 | PuffTheMagic_ | then fail |
| 23:35.21 | egaudet | PuffTheMagic_, whatever ubuntu 32-bit server is using (which I think is 2.7) |
| 23:35.22 | PuffTheMagic_ | oilsworkn: i think we should leave hand warmer mode in for a release |
| 23:35.29 | PuffTheMagic_ | oilsworkn: so people get excited over a feature |
| 23:35.34 | PuffTheMagic_ | then can bitch |
| 23:35.36 | PuffTheMagic_ | and then |
| 23:35.42 | PuffTheMagic_ | can be impressed when we "improve it" |
| 23:35.46 | egaudet | we just need an environment like the cross compile environment |
| 23:36.00 | egaudet | I mean the current cross compiling for the pre works fine |
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| 23:39.14 | acydlord | scratchbox is made of win |
| 23:39.31 | PuffTheMagic_ | eww |
| 23:39.52 | PuffTheMagic_ | there is no reason crosscompiling should require an emulator |
| 23:39.57 | PuffTheMagic_ | well |
| 23:40.07 | PuffTheMagic_ | what sb2 does isnt crosscompiling |
| 23:40.12 | PuffTheMagic_ | which is why it sucks |
| 23:41.50 | dtzWill | PuffTheMagic_: it does use a cross compiling toolchain? it doesn't emulate the compiler |
| 23:42.06 | PuffTheMagic_ | no |
| 23:42.07 | PuffTheMagic_ | well |
| 23:42.16 | lemketron | why do you say sb doesn't cross-compile? |
| 23:42.36 | PuffTheMagic_ | i was under the impress that with sb2 all compiling was done inside a qemu environment |
| 23:42.43 | PuffTheMagic_ | which means is doing native compiling |
| 23:42.46 | PuffTheMagic_ | not cross-compiling |
| 23:43.17 | dtzWill | PuffTheMagic_: nopes, requires an arm toolchain |
| 23:43.26 | PuffTheMagic_ | thats for arm |
| 23:43.35 | PuffTheMagic_ | we were talking about i686 |
| 23:43.37 | PuffTheMagic_ | but |
| 23:43.46 | PuffTheMagic_ | building an arm binary with an arm toolchain in a arm emu running on i686 |
| 23:43.51 | PuffTheMagic_ | is still not cross-compling |
| 23:44.04 | dtzWill | no no it requires an x86 toolchain that targets arm |
| 23:44.07 | PuffTheMagic_ | since the end binary and toolchain are the same arch |
| 23:44.10 | lemketron | yeah, but you're not emulating an arm-native toolchain |
| 23:44.19 | lemketron | that would be like WAY slow |
| 23:44.30 | PuffTheMagic_ | lemketron which is why i've been avoiding it |
| 23:44.36 | PuffTheMagic_ | so why use qemu? |
| 23:44.42 | dtzWill | PuffTheMagic_: compiling doesn't |
| 23:44.46 | dtzWill | PuffTheMagic_: compilation doesn't invoke qemu |
| 23:44.55 | lemketron | toolchains (and most host-native tools) in sb run with a front-end that allows x86 binaries to work in what "looks" like an ARM target environment. |
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| 23:45.33 | PuffTheMagic_ | why all that extra stuff |
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| 23:45.38 | lemketron | and scratchbox.org actually states "Scratchbox is a cross-compilation toolkit designed to make embedded Linux application development easier". :-) |
| 23:45.48 | lemketron | all what extra stuff ? |
| 23:45.54 | PuffTheMagic_ | qemu |
| 23:46.02 | PuffTheMagic_ | i know when i went to setup sb2, qemu was required |
| 23:46.12 | lemketron | qemu is so you can compile ARM code for the target that is then executated as (for example) part of the ./configure process (autotools) |
| 23:46.12 | VincentLaw | I must be bored, I've extracted all the artwork/video/audio from Myst, and am currently making a webos app of it, just for the hell of it. A real pointless venture since I can't release it, but I want it bad enough to do it just for myself lol |
| 23:46.13 | PuffTheMagic_ | and thats when i said f'it |
| 23:46.22 | lemketron | and other build-time tools that are built for the target architecture but then must be run as part of the build |
| 23:46.47 | lemketron | it's user-mode qemu, so it emulates the arm binaries in user-space, and converts the system (kernel) calls to the host kernel |
| 23:46.50 | PuffTheMagic_ | lemketron: there are only a few broken packages like that |
| 23:46.54 | lemketron | yup |
| 23:47.01 | lemketron | which is why webOS doesn't use it |
| 23:47.02 | dtzWill | PuffTheMagic_: hahaha 'broken' :) |
| 23:47.09 | dtzWill | PuffTheMagic_: agreed, but humorous |
| 23:47.13 | PuffTheMagic_ | dtzWill: the configure/make stuff is broken |
| 23:47.21 | lemketron | like, gtk and friends... |
| 23:47.24 | PuffTheMagic_ | perl |
| 23:47.29 | PuffTheMagic_ | gtk is ok for me |
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| 23:47.31 | dtzWill | PuffTheMagic_: oh i mean there are some tools that just require their own random stuff |
| 23:47.34 | dtzWill | PuffTheMagic_: qtmake, etc |
| 23:47.37 | lemketron | well, perl works for us. :-) |
| 23:47.44 | dtzWill | PuffTheMagic_: although perahps those are cross-compiling happy, idk |
| 23:48.08 | dtzWill | PuffTheMagic_: I was happy for qemu so I can run python in a sane manner |
| 23:48.19 | dtzWill | PuffTheMagic_: since some bullshit X library decided it 'requires' python to build |
| 23:48.40 | VincentLaw | actually, hmm |
| 23:48.42 | VincentLaw | I woooonder |
| 23:48.52 | dtzWill | VincentLaw: send me a copy when you're done :D |
| 23:48.53 | lemketron | open embedded knows how to cross-compile all sorts of packages without having to use sbox or qemu |
| 23:49.06 | PuffTheMagic_ | dtzWill: EVERYTHING that I have tried to build so far using my gentoo setup (except lua) compiles with out the need of qemu |
| 23:49.14 | VincentLaw | if I release this webos app on like... preware, without the data files, would that be legal? like if I just had users extract and copy the files themselves? |
| 23:49.36 | PuffTheMagic_ | lemketron: yeah, with custom patches like gentoo |
| 23:49.40 | PuffTheMagic_ | some of which get upstream |
| 23:49.45 | lemketron | last I used it, the sbox/qemu stuff was especially problematic if the host and target kernels were not compatible (for the system calls used by any user-space arm code you were hoping to be able to run) |
| 23:50.01 | lemketron | though admittedly that was more than two years ago, before sb2. |
| 23:50.13 | destinal | sb2 is apparently totally different |
| 23:50.21 | dtzWill | PuffTheMagic_: i'm not doubting you're env's setup, but just saying that's why qemu short of that is useful |
| 23:50.35 | dtzWill | PuffTheMagic_: although I'm curious how it would handle the situation I stated about python |
| 23:50.59 | lemketron | destinal: afaik, the concept is the same, but the implementation was completely re-done |
| 23:51.27 | VincentLaw | dtzWill: I wanted to do Riven, but that game is so massive that I don't think it'd be realistic to even try :/ |
| 23:52.00 | jacques | sb2 uses qemu to run configure scripts etc |
| 23:52.06 | VincentLaw | and blah, there's no way I can just have people extract the data. some of these formats the pre can't play :/ |
| 23:52.07 | egaudet | so.... where does this all leave us with building binaries for the emulator ;-) |
| 23:52.12 | lemketron | in any case, I had x86 and arm target build environments in sbox, and now have both in open embedded. All used x86-hosted cross-compilers. |
| 23:52.21 | dtzWill | egaudet: oh you wanted the conversation to be useful??? :) |
| 23:52.32 | oilsworkn | lol |
| 23:52.44 | PuffTheMagic_ | lemketron: i still wish you guys would make that setup public |
| 23:52.50 | PuffTheMagic_ | for a us native hackers/developers |
| 23:52.57 | PuffTheMagic_ | so we can work on a consistent base |
| 23:53.03 | PuffTheMagic_ | hopes thats part of the PDK |
| 23:53.14 | lemketron | heh... we were going to point to your pdk. ;-) ;-) |
| 23:53.20 | lemketron | so hurry up! |
| 23:53.51 | jacques | I would love to see the palm oe setup |
| 23:53.52 | PuffTheMagic_ | what do we have to hurry up for if you are gonna hand it to us? |
| 23:54.19 | lemketron | I probably shouldn't say any more just yet... |
| 23:54.38 | PuffTheMagic_ | haha |
| 23:54.43 | jacques | but first I would like to see the 1.4 patches |
| 23:54.54 | oilsworkn | lol |
| 23:55.01 | egaudet | oilsworkn, do wirc on the pre ;) |
| 23:55.30 | dtzWill | does anyone have a good way to get a sensical strace? getting spammed with the KDGKBENT stuff |
| 23:55.34 | lemketron | I wonder how much longer people would be willing to wait for new releases in order to have patches at the same time... (not that it shouldn't be possible anyway, but I'm guessing MOST people are much more interested in the OTA update than the patches...) |
| 23:55.36 | oilsworkn | ;( |
| 23:55.50 | dtzWill | i could probably look up how to filter those out, but I seem to recall someone had the command at some point |
| 23:55.53 | jacques | irrelevant |
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| 23:56.15 | jacques | most ppl couldn't care less about the GPL |
| 23:57.56 | PuffTheMagic_ | lemketron: you prob cant answer this but im gonna ask anyway, I know you hang out around here so you must have a good sense of the stuff we figured out so far and the stuff that we are doing and the stuff that we are interested in but havent yet figured out..... is the PDK going to bring us (webos-internals hackers) anything new or is it just going to be official ways of doing what we already can? |
| 23:57.59 | lemketron | right... so my point is that they probably wouldn't want us to hold back the release until the sources were posted... though clearly if you look at http://opensource.palm.com/ you can see that it's not like we're trying to avoid ever posting sources. |
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| 23:58.31 | oilsworkn | egaudet: the current binary on my pre will make it catch fire if i develop on it too long xD |
| 23:58.36 | oilsworkn | emulator won't have that problem |
| 23:58.45 | oilsworkn | till that polling is slowed down |
| 23:58.54 | egaudet | :P it's a very valuable handwarmer feature |
| 23:59.21 | egaudet | I can go take away the polling though which will be quicker/easier than getting an emu binary built |
| 23:59.26 | lemketron | Puff: I don't have a full enough sense of all that you've done (or are trying to figure out) so it's hard to say. But hopefully this will be a step in the right direction, and you can certainly let us know what you find "missing" but would like to see added. How's that? :-) |
| 23:59.37 | smoofra | YES! |
| 23:59.45 | smoofra | i finally got ip_forard to stay 1 |
