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| 00:16.55 | zsoc | egaudet, ping |
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| 00:27.41 | phish3 | hey guys what's the easiest way to fool around with live with javascript on an emulator? |
| 00:28.14 | phish3 | I want live access to it evalutating |
| 00:28.18 | phish3 | like python -i mode |
| 00:28.32 | phish3 | or a full on browser's javascript console |
| 00:28.48 | egaudet | pong zsoc |
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| 00:31.14 | zsoc | egaudet, you worked on the widk right? i'm trying to figure out how to make an edit in staging.mk that would allow DEPENDS for Makefiles in nonworking/ to check both packages/ and nonworking/ |
| 00:32.44 | egaudet | dirname the pwd easiest (but probably incorrect) way I think |
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| 00:43.26 | FuMan | bustin out new Preware versions like they are free these days... |
| 00:44.29 | zsoc | FuMan, they pretty much are |
| 00:45.07 | zsoc | egaudet, i believe my issue is i don't understand makefile scripting at all, and therefore didn't understand your statement. I know what a directory name is, and I know what pwd is, but i'm not sure about your suggested implementation :P |
| 00:45.12 | rwhitby | listens to PalmCast pre-show at http://www.precentral.net/palmcast-live and http://chatroll.com/embed/chat/palmcast-live?name=palmcast-live |
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| 02:20.45 | newman314 | OC! |
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| 02:22.11 | jar | 1 |
| 02:22.24 | rwhitby | So, this new 800MHz thread. It's not just twiddling with existing kernel settings this time, it's a replacement kernel with real clocking patches applied. |
| 02:22.56 | bpadalino | crazy |
| 02:22.57 | ChrisXS | are there thermal issues? |
| 02:23.26 | rwhitby | http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre-tips-information-resources/231569-call-alpha-testers-720-mhz.html |
| 02:24.02 | rwhitby | There are no public reports on the results, and everyone involved has been asked to send results back to the authors directly only. |
| 02:24.11 | ChrisXS | great. i'll check it out |
| 02:24.36 | rwhitby | I did a post on it here: http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre-tips-information-resources/231569-call-alpha-testers-720-mhz-5.html#post2241355 |
| 02:24.41 | ChrisXS | my first overclock was a 486 DX2-50 that i upped to 66mhz |
| 02:25.12 | ChrisXS | i also had fun with a p3 slotcket as well as the duron pencil trick back in the day |
| 02:26.17 | zsoc | heh |
| 02:26.51 | ChrisXS | what i need to do is work in 1mhz increments and run super unreal tournament fly bys to test stability for at least an hour |
| 02:27.01 | zsoc | rwhitby, you actually seem optimistic about this kernel patch |
| 02:28.47 | ChrisXS | has anyone looked into desoldering the memory chips from a pre and resoldering higher density chips ala the pre plus? |
| 02:29.02 | ChrisXS | that might be physically near impossible |
| 02:29.14 | ChrisXS | also attaining chips won't be easy |
| 02:29.48 | rwhitby | zsoc: the fact that it's a real kernel patch means that it has been done by someone who knows what OPP7 is ... |
| 02:30.27 | ChrisXS | does the gpu on the chip run at the same clock frequency? i am not too familiar with how systems on a chip work |
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| 02:32.13 | zsoc | its a raster |
| 02:32.15 | bpadalino | Chris, opening the can/shield is pretty much impossible without some serious rework machinery or breaking the board |
| 02:34.46 | rwhitby | classic post and responses: http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=2243324 |
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| 02:35.38 | raster | zsoc: i deny that allegation! :) |
| 02:35.49 | zsoc | rwhitby, excellent |
| 02:36.01 | zsoc | raster, aghast! I reckon you represent that remark |
| 02:36.04 | rwhitby | raster: ok, you're vector based then |
| 02:36.27 | BoomerET | What is the WIDK app in preware? |
| 02:36.39 | rwhitby | BoomerET: what's the description say? |
| 02:37.02 | zsoc | BoomerET, basically, don't worry about it. when you need it, the app/plugin you go to install will force you to install that also |
| 02:37.11 | BoomerET | Crap, I just closed it. |
| 02:37.31 | rwhitby | actually, the description should say what zsoc just said too :-) |
| 02:37.55 | rwhitby | zsoc: do we have anything that actually uses it yet? |
| 02:37.56 | raster | rwhitby: i deny that too. i'm heisen. if you try and figure out what i am.. you mess me up :) |
| 02:38.07 | BoomerET | I installed it shortly after getting my phone. |
| 02:38.13 | raster | zsoc: i do indeed |
| 02:39.07 | zsoc | rwhitby, we will the second i pack up one of these plugins |
| 02:39.10 | BoomerET | The only thing in the description is the changelog. |
| 02:39.42 | zsoc | BoomerET, it basically does nothing at the moment, or rather, what it does do doesn't affect anything right now |
| 02:39.58 | newman314 | anyone seen a patch for the oc yet? want to see what is done before trying it out. |
| 02:40.01 | rwhitby | BoomerET: yeah, looks like we need a better description on that one |
| 02:40.18 | rwhitby | newman314: since the kernel is GPL, just ask the author for a copy |
| 02:40.32 | rwhitby | (assuming you have the binary) |
| 02:40.37 | newman314 | did. no response as yet |
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| 02:44.03 | rwhitby | newman314: the patch is similar to https://gforge.ti.com/gf/project/omapandroid/mailman/?_forum_action=ForumMessageBrowse&thread_id=1996&action=ListThreads&mailman_id=22 |
| 02:45.50 | newman314 | interesting. reading now. |
| 02:49.44 | newman314 | that's interesting given that omap3430 was supposedly at most a 600mhz part. |
| 02:50.29 | newman314 | oh wait, opp6 is for 3440 and opp7 is for 3450 |
| 03:01.34 | newman314 | opp6 is 720 but top speed for 3440 is 800mhz |
| 03:01.48 | newman314 | and 3450 is missing on ti product pages. |
| 03:02.59 | bpadalino | 34xx is for cell phone guys anyway .. 35xx is for consumers .. same with the whole 36xx and 37xx |
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| 03:04.59 | newman314 | 3450 is supposedly a 1ghz part from some quick googling |
| 03:05.12 | newman314 | not 35xx. |
| 03:05.56 | newman314 | i wonder if the overclock guys just decided to return 7 for the sku id check =) |
| 03:06.43 | bpadalino | 37xx should be the half node step which would be a 1GHz part .. but i could have been misinformed |
| 03:07.08 | spotter | pokes zsoc |
| 03:07.38 | zsoc | spotter, yo |
| 03:07.59 | zsoc | spotter, i think i was supposed to do something... involving you... can't remember... help a brother out? |
| 03:08.03 | spotter | wma |
| 03:08.09 | zsoc | spotter, yeah, working on it now actually |
| 03:08.11 | spotter | ffmpeg gstreamer |
| 03:08.15 | spotter | I can test |
| 03:08.26 | zsoc | spotter, just pushed the patch for typefind uncrippling... i'm building ffmpeg atm |
| 03:09.31 | spotter | in preware? |
| 03:10.05 | spotter | i.e. what did you mean by "pushed" |
| 03:10.09 | spotter | pushed to webos-internals feed? |
| 03:10.29 | newman314 | looking at the revision code checking now. |
| 03:10.39 | newman314 | apparently your part has to be OMAP3430_REV_ES3_1 |
| 03:10.43 | newman314 | (at least) |
| 03:11.02 | newman314 | but /proc/cpuinfo does not show a direct mapping |
| 03:12.09 | newman314 | anyone have a recent pre ? I have 34304332 for my revision. |
| 03:17.25 | zsoc | spotter, i'm sorry, i meant pushed my patch to the git |
| 03:17.48 | zsoc | spotter, there's still some work yet to do before packaging... i'm compiling dependencies for gst-ffmpeg atm, just finished bz2 |
| 03:24.00 | rwhitby | newman314: another relevant thread: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=499042 |
| 03:25.05 | zsoc | spotter, building ffmpeg now |
| 03:25.13 | spotter | ok |
| 03:25.18 | zsoc | spotter, you have ssh access to your pre right? |
| 03:26.34 | spotter | no, just terminal |
| 03:26.40 | spotter | so a little annoying to do anything complex |
| 03:26.42 | spotter | :) |
| 03:26.58 | zsoc | hm. would be annoying if it doesn't work lol |
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| 03:28.00 | spotter | I can install ssh if need be |
| 03:28.10 | zsoc | spotter, or novacom |
| 03:28.10 | spotter | just havent needed it and running services I dont need is bad :) |
| 03:28.25 | zsoc | spotter, what os are you on? |
| 03:31.01 | spotter | linux generally |
| 03:31.09 | spotter | have win7 x64 as well available |
| 03:31.39 | zsoc | spotter, novacom -t open tty:// will get you a root shell |
| 03:33.32 | newman314 | rwhitby: may be useful to document this on the wiki |
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| 03:38.57 | zsoc | spotter, oh this is going to be complicated, heh |
| 03:42.45 | zsoc | dtzWill, ATTN Bank: I'm not fully convinced you've earned so many tiny bribes. |
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| 03:44.58 | destinal-wirc | jacques: ah you confused infobot |
| 03:45.09 | spotter | zsoc, why? |
| 03:45.12 | destinal-wirc | infobot: nice jacques |
| 03:45.13 | infobot | ACTION lowers jacques's priority |
| 03:46.05 | zsoc | spotter, rebuilding ffmpeg core now, but palm's ffmpeg patch is full of failure |
| 03:46.49 | dtzWill | zsoc: hahaha :) |
| 03:46.56 | destinal-wirc | zsoc: why? |
| 03:47.23 | newman314 | interesting. n900 is apparently using the ondemand scaler with no ill effect |
| 03:47.33 | zsoc | destinal-home, not sure, but one of the headers installed by it does not play well with gst-ffmpeg , i'm looking in to it, could just be an rpath thing |
| 03:47.38 | newman314 | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=459909&postcount=30 |
| 03:48.04 | zsoc | destinal-home, and yes i'm using a gst-ffmpeg version compatible with the ffmpeg version supplied :p |
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| 03:51.59 | rwhitby | newman314: Section 3.3 of http://focus.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/omap3530.pdf is the only concerning thing. |
| 03:52.13 | rwhitby | bbl |
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| 03:52.41 | newman314 | rwhitby: lol . I was just looking at that file |
| 03:53.06 | jacques | wow, fish fillets takes a long time to download/install |
| 03:53.25 | destinal-wirc | alas 900, could have been so much better w cap touchscreen |
| 03:54.40 | rwhitby | jacques: it's over 100MB |
| 03:55.32 | jacques | rwhitby, is it very difficult / impossible to make a progress bar for preware? |
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| 03:56.18 | rwhitby | jacques: we can try wget -verbose if we can work out how to read the output of that from execCMD ... |
| 03:56.40 | rwhitby | jacques: or we can switch to using the Palm download service |
| 03:57.03 | rwhitby | -> lunch |
| 03:57.33 | zsoc | OR we can make ipkgservice a C service :p |
| 03:58.04 | newman314 | holy cow. the operating temp of the 3530 is 0 to 70C |
| 03:58.11 | newman314 | 70C?? ouch |
| 03:58.27 | zsoc | 'operating' is used loosely in that context... |
| 03:58.52 | spotter | rwhitby, why can't the java service provide a feedback callback? |
| 03:59.08 | spotter | and use libcurl |
| 03:59.30 | spotter | or forget libcurl |
| 03:59.39 | spotter | java service just use java http downloading ability |
| 04:00.35 | jacques | anyone here doctored a pixi? |
| 04:01.01 | bpadalino | easy to get hot sitting under a can and consuming a lot of power |
| 04:01.28 | zsoc | spotter, ok, finally building gst-ffmpeg with wmav2dec support |
| 04:01.36 | destinal-home | zsoc: palm's download service may still be better |
| 04:01.58 | zsoc | destinal-home, you're right, but i tend not to suggest things i know very little about ;) |
| 04:02.28 | zsoc | destinal-home, also i try not to lean towards things we can't fully control |
| 04:02.45 | bpadalino | control freak |
| 04:03.18 | zsoc | bpadalino, <3 :P |
| 04:03.31 | jacques | anyone here ever touched a pixi? |
| 04:03.38 | zsoc | jacques, many |
| 04:04.24 | jacques | zsoc, ever doctored one? |
| 04:04.48 | zsoc | jacques, nope, but official doctor wise, i imagine it's pretty straightforward? |
| 04:04.52 | jacques | or pulled battery? |
| 04:05.01 | jacques | I have one which will not activate |
| 04:05.05 | jacques | keeps failing |
| 04:05.11 | zsoc | hm |
| 04:05.15 | zsoc | ##rtn? |
| 04:06.05 | jacques | what's that? it will only let me make emergency or customer service calls before activation - tho it may let me do the ## codes ... dunno |
| 04:06.16 | zsoc | it will |
| 04:06.42 | zsoc | just click the emergency button, erase the '911', put in ##rtn# (but you'll need the msl) |
| 04:06.48 | zsoc | i assume this is an activated device? |
| 04:07.06 | jacques | zsoc, what is the purpose of that code? |
| 04:07.15 | zsoc | jacques, full reset |
| 04:07.31 | jacques | zsoc, this device was donated to the project by palm, but it fails activation |
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| 04:07.42 | en0x | why he needs a full reset when it's a new phone? :> |
| 04:07.53 | zsoc | en0x, sometimes there are activation issues that require it |
| 04:07.59 | en0x | yeah right |
| 04:08.00 | en0x | :) |
| 04:08.01 | zsoc | jacques, er.. 'donated'... |
| 04:08.06 | zsoc | en0x, no, there are. it happens a lot. |
| 04:08.18 | en0x | just call sprint and give them hex number |
| 04:08.25 | zsoc | jacques, do you have reason to believe it's an activated device? like they are paying for it? :p |
| 04:08.29 | jacques | I'm not sure what was done to the phone before we got it - the others had been used (at least lightly) |
| 04:08.37 | zsoc | jacques, otherwise i'd imagine you have to skip activation.... |
| 04:08.49 | jacques | zsoc, the other three activated fine |
| 04:09.03 | jacques | palm said three months free service |
| 04:09.09 | en0x | jacques, trying to activate it on sprint? |
| 04:09.17 | zsoc | jacques, i'd be willing to imagine it's messed up on the sprint side |
| 04:09.18 | jacques | en0x, yep, it's a sprint pixi |
| 04:09.23 | destinal-home | jacques: you could call sprint |
| 04:09.32 | en0x | jacques, like i said call sprint and have the hex number ready |
| 04:09.35 | jacques | and tell them what? |
| 04:09.44 | en0x | that u can't activate a device |
| 04:09.48 | en0x | they r nice :) |
| 04:09.55 | zsoc | jacques, if you give them the esn they can tell you if it's associated with an account at least |
| 04:09.55 | jacques | they'll ask my name and account info |
| 04:10.05 | destinal-home | jacques: you can call and say that it's from palm's developer program and supposed to have been activated for three months |
| 04:10.13 | destinal-home | they've done a bunch of others like that |
| 04:10.25 | jacques | destinal-home, OK, if all else fails I will do that |
| 04:10.44 | jacques | I just assumed they would have no clue what I was talking about |
| 04:10.55 | zsoc | jacques, they probably won't, but they can still look the device up by the esn |
| 04:11.00 | jacques | and not understand why the phone is not associated with my name / account |
| 04:11.00 | en0x | is betting that all else will fail ;d |
| 04:11.29 | jacques | problem with a non-activating sprint pixi is ... no wifi, so it's pretty much useless |
| 04:11.33 | zsoc | spotter, so i have libs... if you want to be really brave i can just give you stuff to randomly install around your phone for testing |
| 04:11.58 | jacques | it looks like there are more commands in bootie than in my pre |
| 04:12.03 | jacques | not positive tho |
| 04:12.09 | en0x | jacques, well this pixi has to be associated to some account if it's a palm account they will tell u |
| 04:12.30 | en0x | or call palm ;P |
| 04:12.40 | en0x | eh why i havent got a free pixi from palm :( |
| 04:12.42 | destinal-home | jacques: the palm pilot had no radio at all.. once upon a time we used to carry these non-networked devices and call them PDA's :) |
| 04:13.19 | destinal-home | and of course there's always usbnet |
| 04:13.33 | jacques | yes, but that won't make it a very useful test device |
| 04:13.35 | en0x | iused to cary dell axim :) |
| 04:13.42 | en0x | x51v |
| 04:13.43 | en0x | ;] |
| 04:13.52 | jacques | if we are installing things completely differently than the use case |
| 04:14.00 | tmzt | connected limited device |
| 04:14.04 | destinal-home | jacques: point taken |
| 04:14.05 | en0x | i still have it tho... i wonder if i can run androind on it hmmm |
| 04:14.33 | jacques | yeah there are lots of new / differnt bootie commands |
| 04:14.44 | bpadalino | oh yeah ? |
| 04:14.44 | jacques | wall : see what's written on the wall |
| 04:14.58 | jacques | summit : commands to interact with the smb338 |
| 04:15.11 | bpadalino | we don't need no education |
| 04:15.17 | jacques | smem : smem control |
| 04:15.33 | jacques | (not positive about all these, but they don't look familiar) |
| 04:15.39 | tmzt | ##rtn## ? |
| 04:15.47 | jacques | led : led drivers |
| 04:16.00 | destinal-home | bpadalino: could it be a standard pixi thing or that you have a non-retail version? |
| 04:16.12 | destinal-home | s/bpadalino/jacques/ |
| 04:16.14 | destinal-home | bad complete |
| 04:16.17 | jacques | so you guys think I should try ##rtn?? before doctoring? |
| 04:16.18 | bpadalino | it happens |
| 04:16.28 | en0x | for rtn u need msl |
| 04:16.32 | jacques | destinal-home, good question |
| 04:16.33 | en0x | and msl only sprint has it |
| 04:16.36 | destinal-home | jacques: I'd back up the first 8 megs of flash before booting |
| 04:16.39 | zsoc | jacques, what en0x said |
| 04:16.44 | destinal-home | before doctoring |
| 04:16.47 | zsoc | jacques, if it doesn't activate, it's a sprint thing, really. |
| 04:17.01 | jacques | :-\ what if the modem firmware is corrupt? |
| 04:17.03 | en0x | u can call sprint and ask for msl |
| 04:17.11 | en0x | but they will ask for a serial number |
| 04:17.17 | jacques | I notice it never shows the EV icon |
| 04:17.30 | en0x | jacques, it won't till it's activated |
| 04:17.40 | jacques | the phone gives me a HEX MEID or something after the activation fail |
| 04:17.55 | jacques | points me to some URL which is not useful for my case |
| 04:18.06 | jacques | www.sprint.com/activate |
| 04:18.43 | destinal-home | jacques: that "wall" command is intriguing |
| 04:18.50 | jacques | want me to type it? |
| 04:18.54 | destinal-home | sure |
| 04:18.57 | bpadalino | do it |
| 04:19.03 | jacques | version shows 220.2 |
| 04:19.03 | bpadalino | what is a smb338 ? |
| 04:19.14 | jacques | some pixi-only hardware I guess |
| 04:19.31 | jacques | ] wall |
| 04:19.31 | jacques | late-boot] |
| 04:19.41 | jacques | hmm |
| 04:19.49 | jacques | what's late-boot ? |
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| 04:20.16 | bpadalino | interesting |
| 04:20.49 | destinal-home | bpadalino: sumiit micro battery charger chip |
| 04:20.53 | destinal-home | http://www.summitmicro.com/prod_select/summary/SMB329B/SMB329B_FactSheet.pdf |
| 04:21.10 | bpadalino | ah nice searching |
| 04:21.46 | jacques | pixis have multi-color leds? |
| 04:22.03 | jacques | 'statusmode <led color> on': turns on <led color> |
| 04:22.03 | destinal-home | really? |
| 04:22.10 | jacques | 'where <led color> is one of red, green or yellow' |
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| 04:22.30 | bpadalino | slick |
| 04:22.32 | destinal-home | try statusmode green on :) |
| 04:22.52 | cryptk|work | ~seen rwhitby |
| 04:22.54 | infobot | rwhitby is currently on #webos-internals (20h 56s) #oe (20h 56s) #meego (20h 56s) #nslu2-linux (20h 56s). Has said a total of 59 messages. Is idling for 26m 14s, last said: 'jacques: or we can switch to using the Palm download service'. |
| 04:23.31 | jacques | I tried statusmode red on but nothing happened that I can tell |
| 04:23.54 | cryptk|work | anyone know if rwhitby looked into the upstartmgr at all? |
| 04:24.09 | cryptk|work | although I think the problem may be with my emulator... |
| 04:24.17 | cryptk|work | for some reason palm-log isn't working... |
| 04:25.02 | destinal-home | jacques: what about the other colors -- could it be that tri-color led's didn't make it in? hmm |
| 04:25.15 | cryptk|work | also, to anyone that has tried the Upstart Manager app, do you guys think I need to have the state and status column? |
| 04:25.22 | jacques | destinal-home, I tried all three :-( |
| 04:25.33 | jacques | also just tried the led command |
| 04:25.33 | cryptk|work | or should I cut it down to where it jsut says start and stop? |
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| 04:25.50 | jacques | led show - start led show |
| 04:25.53 | jacques | but nothing |
| 04:26.19 | destinal-home | cool stuff definitely, shame it doesn't work |
| 04:26.32 | cryptk|work | what are you guys talking about with tri-color LED's? |
| 04:26.33 | rwhitby | cryptk|work: hi |
| 04:26.40 | cryptk|work | rwhitby: hi! |
| 04:26.49 | destinal-home | cryptk|work: some bootie commands on jacques' pixi |
| 04:26.53 | jacques | oh, the led command is the led backlight |
| 04:26.58 | cryptk|work | you wouldn't by change know why my palm-log isn't working? |
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| 04:28.04 | destinal-home | jacques: willing to bet those are commands used by some factory diagnostics program |
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| 04:28.39 | destinal-home | for post-build tests |
| 04:28.42 | cryptk|work | rwhitby: did you look into the jps method at all? or why the new upstartmgr isn't installing on my emulator? |
| 04:28.49 | jacques | hmm, statusmode is doing something now |
| 04:28.57 | jacques | but it just turned on the white led |
| 04:30.16 | rwhitby | cryptk|work: I can't see anything wrong with the packaging |
| 04:30.24 | rwhitby | i'll test the package soon |
| 04:30.29 | cryptk|work | that is the odd thing... neither can I |
| 04:31.21 | cryptk|work | but for some reason when I try to install it, it never requests a java restart, nor does it seem to actually update... if I re-run rpeware it prompts to upadte it again |
| 04:31.29 | jacques | anyone pulled the back off a pixi? |
| 04:31.33 | destinal-home | geist: hmmm.. was pixie originally intended to have RGB LED's? |
| 04:31.47 | cryptk|work | but it could just be that my emulator is effed |
| 04:31.54 | bpadalino | he was making a comment before how he wanted to have them on there, but management wasn't into it .. |
| 04:32.00 | jacques | when I first got my pre, I thought it had RGB LED and was sad to find it dodn't |
| 04:32.02 | bpadalino | so maybe it supports the multi color .. |
| 04:32.09 | jacques | ah |
| 04:32.25 | destinal-home | bpadalino: but to save a buck or two maybe they never got soldered to the board |
| 04:32.44 | jacques | for some reason the backlight keeps turning on and off |
| 04:32.55 | jacques | and the status LED keeps doing same |
| 04:33.04 | cryptk|work | on a side note with multicolor, my friend looked at my pre's LCD through a microscope the other day while it was playing a youtube video... cool looking... |
| 04:33.05 | jacques | alternating with the backlight |
| 04:33.06 | destinal-home | jacques: does the show have a stop command? |
| 04:33.13 | bpadalino | i think he was saying it was a management/marketing decision .. the white LED works well for the 'rock in a stream' notion |
| 04:33.36 | cryptk|work | rwhitby: also, it seems to install fine on my actual phone, just not on my emulator.. |
| 04:33.41 | destinal-home | but a pixie should have pretty colors :) |
| 04:33.53 | bpadalino | hehe |
| 04:34.00 | bpadalino | i concur |
| 04:34.08 | bpadalino | lets resolder some LED's |
| 04:34.09 | cryptk|work | destinal-home: it should have wings too but people would be mad if their phones kept flying away sprinkling glitter on everything... |
| 04:34.28 | jacques | http://webos.pastebin.com/LuG6ZBah |
| 04:34.29 | destinal-home | cryptk|work: lol (choke, gasp) |
| 04:35.11 | destinal-home | jacques: try led reset |
| 04:35.39 | jacques | that turned off status led, but backlight is still off |
| 04:35.48 | destinal-home | jacques: led init |
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| 04:36.01 | cryptk|work | seems like pastebin still hates me at work... |
| 04:36.02 | geist | destinal-home: i dont think so |
| 04:36.18 | jacques | destinal-home, strangely, led init returns: unrecognized subcommand |
| 04:36.53 | jacques | led current <led> <current> - set current (0..255) for led (1..9) |
| 04:37.02 | jacques | 1..9 ?? |
| 04:37.14 | bpadalino | hidden LED's? |
| 04:37.19 | bpadalino | maybe on a breakout board |
| 04:37.25 | jacques | ah |
| 04:37.31 | jacques | that would make sense |
| 04:37.32 | destinal-home | jacques: isn't there a row? |
| 04:37.35 | destinal-home | like pre plus? |
| 04:37.40 | destinal-home | or no |
| 04:37.54 | jacques | I've only seen a hirizontal slit in the center of gesture area |
| 04:38.04 | geist | might be more than one led per light |
| 04:38.06 | cryptk|work | would you guys think it would be useful for Upstart Manager to provide a notification whenever a service starts or stops? |
| 04:38.20 | geist | i suspect the controller supports 1..9 and we may have only wired up some of them, or double wired a few |
| 04:38.21 | jacques | IIRC on the working pixi, that is |
| 04:39.30 | bpadalino | geist, good to know |
| 04:39.32 | destinal-home | jacques: you could probably restart or powercycle to fix the backlight |
| 04:39.41 | destinal-home | if you don't want to puzzle out the led #'s |
| 04:39.56 | destinal-home | but probably the backlight is one or more of them |
| 04:40.36 | destinal-home | not sure what its normal current level is though but you could try stepping it up |
| 04:41.07 | bpadalino | the LED on the back of the pre looks like it wants to shove 1W into my eyes whenever i turn it on |
| 04:41.12 | bpadalino | so bright |
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| 04:42.16 | spotter | zsoc, if you want |
| 04:42.23 | bpadalino | we've got this transmitter at work up in the 5500MHz range .. it has a high and low setting .. without thinking, we turned it on today on high and just let it transmit for a couple hours |
| 04:42.33 | zsoc | spotter, i spoke slightly too soon, lol, more build issues :/ |
| 04:42.43 | zsoc | bpadalino, great idea |
| 04:43.15 | bpadalino | oh yeah, excellent idea .. especially when we notice it's 28v and sucking like 3.5-4A .. |
| 04:43.22 | bpadalino | going right into that antenna |
| 04:43.24 | zsoc | bpadalino, cancer |
| 04:43.31 | zsoc | and... sounds illegal |
| 04:43.34 | bpadalino | yeah i didn't want kids anyway |
| 04:43.50 | zsoc | oh man that's bad |
| 04:43.56 | bpadalino | yeah i don't even know who has allocation for that frequency around here |
| 04:44.05 | zsoc | That's almost 100 watts |
| 04:44.14 | bpadalino | well, i am sure the PA isn't 100% efficient |
| 04:44.16 | zsoc | you could cook an egg D: |
| 04:44.27 | bpadalino | i am guessing it's 50W coming out of the spigot |
| 04:44.28 | zsoc | you can hope heh |
| 04:44.40 | bpadalino | i've got light bulbs that are less power! |
| 04:44.43 | zsoc | still that's pretty serious... |
| 04:44.52 | bpadalino | erm, more power |
| 04:45.03 | zsoc | wait i read that wrong |
| 04:45.11 | zsoc | 5500mhz, not 550 |
| 04:45.17 | bpadalino | yeah, 5.5GHz |
| 04:45.20 | zsoc | got it |
| 04:45.21 | destinal-home | bpadalino: hmm 5ghz range channel 100, listed under " To comply with FCC regulations, use of the following frequencies is prohibited in North America: " |
| 04:45.58 | bpadalino | prohibited?! |
| 04:46.12 | destinal-home | to 5ghz unlicensed gear at least |
| 04:46.14 | destinal-home | :) |
| 04:46.40 | cryptk|work | meh... who pays attention to banned frequencies... I run my WiFi on a 'prohibited' channel |
| 04:46.59 | cryptk|work | I live in an apartment and it is the only frequency that isn't saturated with 800 other wifi routers |
| 04:47.07 | destinal-home | cryptk|work: 13? |
| 04:47.12 | cryptk|work | destinal-home: yep ;) |
| 04:47.12 | bpadalino | that's what i say .. lets step on em anyway .. they can get a bigger PA if they want |
| 04:47.55 | zsoc | destinal-home, you the one that asked me about core ffmpeg issue? |
| 04:47.57 | rwhitby | I cannot see a single other wifi signal anywhere in my house |
| 04:48.14 | bpadalino | rwhitby: maybe you need a better antenna! |
| 04:48.14 | cryptk|work | rwhitby: your lucky, try that in an apartment though... |
| 04:48.15 | zsoc | rwhitby, that's because rich famous people live in houses with large properties |
| 04:48.16 | bpadalino | :) |
| 04:48.26 | zsoc | rwhitby, I can see 22 networks here |
| 04:48.42 | rwhitby | zsoc: next houses are 900mm on one side and adjoining at the garage on the other |
| 04:48.43 | cryptk|work | at my apartment I have seen up to 53 |
| 04:48.54 | bpadalino | getting a little crowded |
| 04:49.03 | zsoc | And over 50% of them use wep |
| 04:49.04 | zsoc | makes me laugh |
| 04:49.15 | cryptk|work | most of them do use wep actually |
| 04:49.24 | bpadalino | i keep mine opened up |
| 04:49.40 | cryptk|work | a buddy of mine wanted to see how many I could aircrack in an hour, I stopped at 15 with 20 minutes left |
| 04:49.42 | rwhitby | with that many wep signals, why bother with your own router ... |
| 04:50.01 | zsoc | i used to crack them when i got sick and was stuck in bed... after about a year i ran out (only was sick once...) |
| 04:50.07 | cryptk|work | that is why I use WPA2+TKIP on channel 13 |
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| 04:51.13 | zsoc | if i was a more malicious person i'd start up some mitm'in and sabatage facebooks |
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| 04:53.15 | cryptk|work | haha |
| 04:53.31 | cryptk|work | I am still halfway thinking about trying to get aircrack to work on the pre |
| 04:53.44 | cryptk|work | but I highly doubt it supports promiscuous mode natively |
| 04:53.59 | cryptk|work | so ti would need patched drivers... I don't think I know enough to do that |
| 04:54.30 | bpadalino | there is a wifi utility on there that you could check out and see if it supports it |
| 04:55.07 | cryptk|work | maybe one day i will check it out |
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| 04:55.25 | cryptk|work | but the Upstart Manager is my current priority (aside from work, food, sleep and wife) |
| 04:55.38 | bpadalino | interesting priorities! |
| 04:56.01 | cryptk|work | not necessarially in that order |
| 04:56.07 | bpadalino | oh, ok :) |
| 04:56.30 | zsoc | my wife tends to pass out on the couch at around 10pm, that's the only way i get anything done :p |
| 04:56.36 | cryptk|work | haha |
| 04:57.19 | cryptk|work | I am not sure what I am going to have to do to fix my emulator... I have tried deleting the virtual disk and reinstalling it... removing the whole palm-sdk and reinstalling... it is still acting up |
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| 04:57.41 | bpadalino | probably have to go in and fix all the bugs |
| 04:57.42 | bpadalino | :( |
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| 05:00.11 | rwhitby | cryptk|work: I have rebuilt and rereleased upstartmgr just in case something went wrong in the previous build |
| 05:00.18 | jacques | sorry, ISP issues |
| 05:00.22 | rwhitby | cryptk|work: (but I think it's identical) |
| 05:00.40 | cryptk|work | rwhitby: I will try it again once I get home... I think the problem may be my emulator though |
| 05:01.01 | cryptk|work | even though I have no clue what may have caused it |
| 05:01.34 | jacques | it sure would be convenient if adora came to the channel about now |
| 05:02.35 | psykoz | interesting blog - http://rake.sh/blog/2010/02/23/will-apple-tv-become-more-iphone-like-yes-definitely/ |
| 05:03.30 | rwhitby | jacques: what do you need to ask? |
| 05:04.15 | jacques | rwhitby, what to do about the pixi |
| 05:04.37 | bpadalino | trade it in for a pixi plus |
| 05:05.08 | rwhitby | spotter: cause it uses ipkg at the moment |
| 05:05.30 | jacques | bpadalino, :-) |
| 05:05.30 | cryptk|work | jacques: what happened to your pixi? |
| 05:05.32 | rwhitby | spotter: (that was the answer to why the java service can't use libcurl directly) |
| 05:06.36 | jacques | cryptk|work, it's one palm donated to the project for SCALE |
| 05:06.55 | jacques | cryptk|work, but it fails activation |
| 05:07.03 | cryptk|work | hrm... |
| 05:07.11 | cryptk|work | meta-doctor it and use it for testing |
| 05:07.20 | cryptk|work | bypass activation with MD |
| 05:07.41 | cryptk|work | seems you got your hands on a free developer phone |
| 05:07.43 | cryptk|work | lol |
| 05:08.13 | cryptk|work | (or mail it to me, I will play with it, lol) |
| 05:09.35 | jacques | cryptk|work, but sprint pixis don't have wifi |
| 05:09.59 | cryptk|work | ok, you don't need wifi for a dev phone |
| 05:10.19 | cryptk|work | I would still MD it and use it as a dev/test phone |
| 05:10.28 | cryptk|work | use it to test all of the dangerous stuff |
| 05:11.20 | cryptk|work | did palm give it to you for SCALE and expect it back? |
| 05:11.51 | cryptk|work | you could just hang on to it and we could mail it around in case someone else does a webos-internals booth at some other expo |
| 05:12.01 | jacques | they donated four phones for demoing and giveaways |
| 05:12.10 | cryptk|work | make it the "Webos-Internals Bastard Child Phone" |
| 05:12.24 | Meep | Was the phone previously activated? |
| 05:12.34 | cryptk|work | so they donated phones that don't pass activation for giveaways? |
| 05:12.40 | jacques | Meep, not sure how to tell, but it looked like the other three had been |
| 05:12.43 | cryptk|work | or was it jstu this one doesn't |
| 05:12.52 | jacques | cryptk|work, three activated fine |
| 05:12.54 | Meep | Sprimay be blocking it. |
| 05:13.05 | Meep | Sprint may be blocking it. |
| 05:13.21 | cryptk|work | take it in to a sprint store and ask them to activate it manually |
| 05:13.24 | en0x | wtf is SCALE? |
| 05:13.37 | cryptk|work | Southern CAlifornia Linux Expo |
| 05:13.46 | en0x | i c |
| 05:13.48 | cryptk|work | Webos-Internals had a booth at it |
| 05:13.53 | Meep | http://www.socallinuxexpo.org/scale8x/ |
| 05:14.03 | jacques | cryptk|work, but I have no proof I have any reason to possess it |
| 05:14.06 | en0x | why the cool stuff always happen in california |
| 05:14.06 | en0x | :S |
| 05:14.31 | cryptk|work | jacques: then just meta-doctor to bypass activation and use it as a dev phone |
| 05:14.44 | cryptk|work | or see if anyone else here needs a dev-pixi |
| 05:14.47 | cryptk|work | and mail it to them |
| 05:14.54 | jacques | cryptk|work, my point is, I don;t think it's very useful with no data service and no wifi |
| 05:15.04 | en0x | i do need a pixi |
| 05:15.09 | en0x | with 3 month free service :D |
| 05:15.16 | jacques | I'm going to at least try everything we can think of before giving up |
| 05:15.32 | en0x | jacques, i told u... call sprint |
| 05:15.46 | Meep | What's the serial number? |
| 05:15.46 | jacques | en0x, I heard you the first three times |
| 05:16.06 | jacques | and I will, just not right this minute - especially if there's something I can do without calling sprint |
| 05:16.54 | en0x | kk |
| 05:16.56 | en0x | ;] |
| 05:17.03 | jacques | I have the feeling calling sprint will be time-consuming and frustrating - if I can somehow fix it myself I would rather do that |
| 05:17.11 | cryptk|work | so when you turn it on it tries to activate and fails and that is it? |
| 05:17.13 | Meep | What's the serial number? |
| 05:17.42 | jacques | Meep, how can I tell? and why do you want to know? |
| 05:17.49 | jacques | cryptk|work, exactly |
| 05:17.55 | zsoc | jacques, under the battery |
| 05:17.59 | en0x | serial number is under battery |
| 05:18.01 | Meep | Open the back, look under the battery. |
| 05:18.04 | jacques | ok |
| 05:18.21 | Meep | Chances are the phone is already activated on their network. |
| 05:18.24 | cryptk|work | watch the serial be something like "PALM-DEV-0123456789" |
| 05:18.36 | cryptk|work | Meep: that wouldn't cause it to fail activation |
| 05:18.48 | cryptk|work | otherwise they would fail to activate after each doctor |
| 05:18.59 | cryptk|work | because the phones are already activated |
| 05:19.11 | jacques | ok back is off |
| 05:20.06 | rwhitby | keep the details private, not in channel |
| 05:20.08 | jacques | gotta get to somewhere with more light to read the serial |
| 05:20.13 | Meep | It should be the one running vertically. It should have SN:P5... |
| 05:20.19 | Meep | just /msg me the number. |
| 05:21.00 | cryptk|work | Meep: what do you need the serial for? |
| 05:22.21 | cryptk|work | rwhitby: I just found an interesting tidbit about powermanagement that may be useful for preware |
| 05:22.37 | cryptk|work | doesn't the processor scale down when the phone sleeps? |
| 05:22.50 | cryptk|work | (which would make feed loading take longer) |
| 05:23.09 | cryptk|work | seems you can request the phone to not sleep for up to 15 minutes at a time |
| 05:23.11 | en0x | i thought that the phone runs all the time at 500mhz |
| 05:23.22 | cryptk|work | I thought I read somewhere that it throttles... |
| 05:23.24 | Meep | It suspends - look at messages. |
| 05:23.25 | cryptk|work | I could be wrong |
| 05:23.35 | cryptk|work | http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1797&Itemid=283 |
| 05:23.41 | en0x | yes suspends != throttle |
| 05:23.56 | cryptk|work | en0x: I know... misspoke |
| 05:24.18 | cryptk|work | but you can request it not to for up to 15 minutes |
| 05:24.31 | cryptk|work | someone just told me the Dhali Lama is on twitter now |
| 05:24.36 | jacques | yeah I read that too |
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| 05:34.59 | zsoc | later yall |
| 05:35.15 | Meep | Use http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1797&Itemid=283 to prevent the device from sleeping. |
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| 05:36.19 | ssrjazz | Greetings... having a little post update Preware issue on my Pre if someone is available to help troubleshoot |
| 05:36.51 | Meep | cryptk - sorry. I didn't see your post. Yes. That is the right one I believe. |
| 05:37.14 | rwhitby | cryptk|work: line 147 of http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=applications/preware.git;a=blob;f=app/assistants/update-assistant.js is where we do that in Preware |
| 05:37.36 | rwhitby | (the screen blanks, but the Pre keeps chugging) |
| 05:37.56 | cryptk|work | rwhitby: ahh, I didn't realize the screen still blanks... |
| 05:38.05 | cryptk|work | I shoulda figured you guys would already be doing that, lol |
| 05:38.58 | zsoc | sometimes when my phone is running slow, and i'm not doing anything, i run a dbus-util --capture .. just to remind myself of half of the crap going on in the background |
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| 05:41.20 | destinal-home | en0x: the pre gets clocked up to 600mhz in SDL apps ("turbo mode") |
| 05:41.52 | jacques | yeah, I wish an app could opt out of that |
| 05:41.57 | jacques | to save power |
| 05:42.23 | ssrjazz | Greetings... having a little post update Preware issue on my Pre if someone is available to help troubleshoot |
| 05:42.52 | destinal-home | jacques: maybe palm has a way to do it but I haven't heard of any. we were talking about a service using inotify and sysfs to override the changes when they occur |
| 05:43.12 | jacques | destinal-home, yeah I still think that's a good idea |
| 05:43.19 | rwhitby | ssrjazz: what's the issue? |
| 05:43.28 | destinal-home | jacques: (more for others benefit, I know you were there) :) |
| 05:43.36 | jacques | esp after someone (puff?) found out inotify works on /sys now |
| 05:44.01 | destinal-home | yeah, was puff |
| 05:44.07 | jacques | I want cpu clock speed in the top bar :-) |
| 05:44.20 | ssrjazz | I did an update all in preware a few minutes ago...and it gave the warning abuot restarting java... but my phone never came back online |
| 05:44.53 | ssrjazz | I'm removing preware and the package manager via webos quick install ... and reinstalling to see if that helps |
| 05:45.11 | rwhitby | ssrjazz: how long did you wait for it to come back online? |
| 05:45.15 | jacques | hate to say it but I think the pixi is better designed hardware than pre |
| 05:45.18 | ssrjazz | 10 minutes |
| 05:45.23 | jacques | it's so rigid |
| 05:45.50 | cryptk|work | jacques: it is the curved slider |
| 05:46.08 | cryptk|work | although the pre feels 1000 times better with a touchstone backplate |
| 05:46.14 | cryptk|work | no squeaks or creaks |
| 05:46.18 | cryptk|work | bbiab, smoke time |
| 05:46.27 | destinal-home | yeah, the original backplate is junk IMO |
| 05:46.40 | rwhitby | ssrjazz: ok, if it happens again, connect with wosqi and we'll do some debugging with the linux command line |
| 05:46.43 | jacques | yeah I love by touchstone backplate - no longer feels like it's going to squirt right out of my hand |
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| 05:51.03 | dick-richardson | how do I run a script on shutdown? Since installing openssh, my pre hangs on reboot. Killing sshd fixes it. I just want to throw in a script on init 0 or 6 that does it for me |
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| 05:52.10 | Meep | dick-richardson - read up on upstart. |
| 05:52.21 | dick-richardson | Meep: thank you :) |
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| 06:01.36 | Bazirker | @zsoc Hey are you Prenosicator on Precentral? I have quite a large library of ogg and flac files and would be stoked to help you test your plugins for those filetypes |
| 06:01.57 | rwhitby | dick-richardson: which method did you use to install openssh? bootstrap script or preware? |
| 06:02.14 | dick-richardson | rwhitby: preware |
| 06:02.17 | rwhitby | dick-richardson: I'll be interested in working how why you're getting a hang on reboot |
| 06:02.39 | zsoc | Bazirker, awesome, but it's 1am here :) PM me on the forums and we'll meet up during the week? |
| 06:02.52 | Bazirker | will do, 1am my time too |
| 06:03.22 | zsoc | kk |
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| 06:07.32 | jacques | gotta relocate - biab |
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| 06:27.57 | dick-richardson | I take that back, it's the established ssh tunnel I have that causes it to hang |
| 06:28.35 | dick-richardson | i.e. killall ssh NOT killall sshd |
| 06:29.58 | rwhitby | dick-richardson: ah, an outgoing ssh connection that is active? |
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| 06:46.21 | rwhitby | dick-richardson: did the preware install with keys all work properly for you? |
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| 08:25.46 | jhoover09 | Hello |
| 08:25.50 | jhoover09 | ??? |
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| 08:32.36 | jacques | fish fillets if not launching |
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| 09:22.02 | eieio | yawn |
| 09:22.05 | eieio | sup? |
| 09:54.42 | MetaView | hi |
| 09:55.35 | MetaView | need some help regarding inofficial PDK |
| 09:59.31 | ShadeS | *unofficial |
| 10:00.11 | MetaView | ok |
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| 10:16.30 | iSmite | ugh my network time is screwed, its not changing time when device sleeps |
| 10:16.37 | iSmite | all of a sudden |
| 10:16.50 | iSmite | rebooted,,done aeroplane mode etc still the same |
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| 11:18.14 | swisstomcat | hey |
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| 11:38.29 | acydlord | ugh, i'm gonna stop replying to patch support emails that are along the lines of "pat wont uninstall or update" if they don't have the time to tell me what device, software version, and patch version they are running i dont have the time to reply |
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| 14:18.06 | en0x | oh i gotta exchange my touchstone :S |
| 14:18.15 | en0x | i got the charging cycle |
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| 14:26.34 | nt4cats | ya know, dude, that your rug really tied the room together |
| 14:27.14 | en0x | hmm |
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| 14:52.34 | PuffTheMagic | 1.4 is out!!! |
| 14:52.35 | PuffTheMagic | omg |
| 14:52.52 | MetaView | really? |
| 14:52.59 | VincentLaw | I call BS |
| 14:53.06 | PuffTheMagic | en0x: this is fun |
| 14:54.01 | en0x | :D |
| 14:54.01 | en0x | i heard rumors that it will be 1.4.5 |
| 14:54.01 | en0x | with voice dial |
| 14:54.34 | en0x | so I called palm and one of the guys who work there confirmed... he is a good buddy all the issues that I have he is taking care of |
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| 14:55.19 | VincentLaw | 1.4.6 will offer support with wireless printers, and will include a function to PRINT MONEY |
| 14:55.33 | en0x | VincentLaw, oh that's so k3wl |
| 14:55.34 | VincentLaw | wait, that's the nintendophone not the pre |
| 14:57.48 | VincentLaw | PuffTheMagic: if you're saying it's released, it isn't, because if it were, you wouldn't be in here talking about it, you'd be too busy playing with it. |
| 14:57.55 | VincentLaw | :p |
| 14:58.15 | en0x | [; |
| 14:58.22 | en0x | he just wanted to let u know |
| 14:58.24 | VincentLaw | App updates need an auto-update option |
| 14:58.28 | en0x | and now he is playing with the 1.4 |
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| 15:05.32 | en0x | PuffTheMagic, the 1.4 is nice... I see a little speed improvement... oh shit it got bt keyboard profiles! |
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| 15:06.08 | en0x | finally now I can hook up my bt keyboard to the pre |
| 15:06.09 | en0x | ;D |
| 15:14.18 | loot- | en0x: how's flash? oh and i heard that they're including openoffice in 1.4 to make it more productive |
| 15:14.21 | loot- | lol |
| 15:15.34 | en0x | loot-, no flash yet... maybe they will release it later today |
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| 15:15.56 | loot- | im trolling anyways |
| 15:16.05 | en0x | u r not the only one :D |
| 15:17.29 | loot- | shakes fist at how large kde 4 is |
| 15:18.07 | loot- | i read an article yesterday |
| 15:18.23 | loot- | saying that enlightenment is coming back to help ubuntu onto smart phones |
| 15:18.26 | loot- | i just had to laugh |
| 15:19.28 | raster | thats just slly |
| 15:19.30 | raster | "_ |
| 15:19.38 | raster | :) |
| 15:20.38 | loot- | yea the article claimed that no phones do 3d acceleration and a bunch of other totally invalid stuff |
| 15:21.05 | loot- | but raster you should make englithenment run on a nokia n900 |
| 15:21.06 | loot- | they need help |
| 15:21.07 | loot- | :P |
| 15:21.44 | raster | loot-: type "make". nothing left to do |
| 15:22.13 | en0x | man woman |
| 15:22.29 | raster | i dont know what arical u are reading - dont think i've heard of it but by your comments - it soudns silly |
| 15:22.40 | loot- | dont get me wrong |
| 15:22.50 | loot- | i was a long time enlightenment user |
| 15:23.07 | loot- | i spent many hours getting it compiled and running smoothly with dtlogin on sparcs and what not for years |
| 15:23.12 | loot- | but on a phone it just seems pointless |
| 15:23.15 | loot- | lol |
| 15:23.56 | raster | actually it isnt |
| 15:24.11 | raster | its probably well ahead of most thingsz |
| 15:24.15 | raster | in many qays beyond qt |
| 15:24.18 | raster | and gtk as well |
| 15:24.35 | loot- | for 2d rendering yes i agree... but on a phone? |
| 15:24.45 | raster | yes |
| 15:24.46 | raster | on a phone |
| 15:24.52 | loot- | shrugs |
| 15:24.57 | loot- | better than an iphone thats for sure |
| 15:24.58 | loot- | haha |
| 15:24.59 | raster | you probably are way behind on the status of e |
| 15:25.00 | raster | :) |
| 15:25.16 | loot- | im not that far behind i dont think.. |
| 15:25.29 | loot- | i ran e17 a couple years ago when you guys started up development again |
| 15:25.37 | raster | you are far behind :) |
| 15:25.57 | loot- | catches up |
| 15:26.35 | loot- | ill see if i can find that article |
| 15:26.43 | raster | e has a whole touchscreen toolkit - finger drivern from "out of the box" with scalable ui (no special work needed to make it scaleable - it just is out of the box) |
| 15:26.47 | loot- | amusing that you are unaware of it so the claims are probably baseless |
| 15:26.55 | loot- | oh wow |
| 15:26.58 | loot- | you guys have been busy |
| 15:26.59 | loot- | nice |
| 15:27.08 | raster | so out of the box just slide things with a finger |
| 15:27.13 | raster | unliek the gtk and qt stuff i know of |
| 15:27.14 | loot- | i have 2 12" point of sale type elotouch screens |
| 15:27.18 | raster | no special new 'finger friendly" widget needed |
| 15:27.22 | raster | the default does it |
| 15:27.32 | raster | open-gl-es2 engines too |
| 15:27.33 | loot- | is it multitouch compatible? |
| 15:27.40 | raster | as well as full desktop gl, software, xrender, dfb... and more |
| 15:27.56 | raster | windows ce support, sdl support.. sdl-gl support too now. |
| 15:27.59 | raster | yes |
| 15:28.03 | raster | its mt capable |
| 15:28.04 | raster | already works |
| 15:28.07 | loot- | wow |
| 15:28.09 | raster | hell check elementary test |
| 15:28.12 | loot- | you guys have been busy |
| 15:28.15 | raster | down near the bototm of the list a "multicouch test" |
| 15:28.20 | en0x | raster, so when we will see stable? :> |
| 15:28.31 | en0x | [; |
| 15:28.41 | loot- | enlightenment was always stable anyways even though there were hardly any actual "releases" |
| 15:28.42 | raster | en0x: soon enough |
| 15:28.58 | loot- | i ran snapshots of e for so long |
| 15:28.59 | raster | if u have followed out lists and dev u will see we have been doing api cleanups/killing getting rid of things for alpha |
| 15:29.18 | loot- | god... i remember compiling E on slackware way back in like 1997 |
| 15:29.21 | loot- | haha |
| 15:29.23 | raster | loot-: oh also evas supports 3d too - uc an apply mappings to objects to make them rotate in 2 and 3d. etc. etc. |
| 15:29.34 | raster | and that also works without opengl - and fast too. |
| 15:29.37 | raster | as theres a softeware engine |
| 15:29.38 | nxg125 | raster: holy crap, that sounds awesome. I too was an e16 user for many years but haven't really followed things in several years. |
| 15:29.39 | loot- | oh wow |
| 15:29.49 | raster | as i said.. you're not up with things |
| 15:29.58 | raster | e17 has a full compositor |
| 15:30.00 | loot- | ok now i gotta go grab a snapshot of latest tree and try this out |
| 15:30.02 | loot- | lol |
| 15:30.09 | raster | works without xrender or hw - software compositing works - hel its very usable on a desktop. |
| 15:30.20 | raster | it also does gl - again via the evas gl eninge - and texture-form-pixmap is supported |
| 15:30.25 | loot- | i still use Eterm to this day |
| 15:30.28 | loot- | over any other terminal |
| 15:30.30 | loot- | no title bar |
| 15:30.32 | loot- | no scroll bar |
| 15:30.42 | loot- | transparent background with heavy tint |
| 15:30.43 | loot- | lol |
| 15:30.45 | raster | edje is a large blob of technoloigy pretty much nothing else comes close to toolk-tiwse |
| 15:30.48 | loot- | vga.pcf font |
| 15:30.51 | raster | elementary and e are totally centered around it |
| 15:31.24 | raster | the equivalewnty would be clsoe to gtk and qt using flash (swf) for all widgets (scrollers, buttons, checkboxes.. entries. you name it) |
| 15:31.47 | raster | edje not only defines colors and some "bg pixmaps" |
| 15:31.57 | raster | in a portable device-neutral fashion |
| 15:32.14 | loot- | oh wow |
| 15:32.32 | raster | it defines full layout, spacing, scaling, animation, interaction with events, tweening, rotation, 3d effects to any object(s) and more |
| 15:32.36 | loot- | if i wasnt compiling hundreds of packages updating my gentoo box |
| 15:32.38 | loot- | i'd try this out right now |
| 15:32.45 | raster | this is all the base of the toolkit liek elementary - and evas |
| 15:32.51 | raster | we havent been twiddling our thumbs |
| 15:32.57 | raster | we've been focusing on our core technology |
| 15:32.59 | loot- | this is going to be very cool on my touchscreens |
| 15:33.03 | loot- | i have a bar in my house |
| 15:33.11 | raster | the wm has taken a back-seat n our work. core libraries and tech have been the major focus |
| 15:33.20 | loot- | and i was thinking about setting up a dual touchscreen juke box kinda deal |
| 15:33.29 | loot- | and E with audacious will be pretty sweet i think |
| 15:33.29 | raster | so - my suggestion.. dont dispmiss e |
| 15:34.00 | raster | it works silky smooth 100fps+ rendering.. with compositing.. in x11... with elementary scrollign fulslcreen stuff around with multipel layers of alpha blending.. |
| 15:34.07 | loot- | raster: yea i was just saying for phones originally because i always viewed E as a nice desktop WM with plenty of power but not full of bloat |
| 15:34.13 | raster | and that is on this phone on my desktop.. 480x800 too. |
| 15:34.23 | raster | thats using opengl-es2 for all the work |
| 15:34.40 | raster | but it manages not too badly entirely in software too |
| 15:34.50 | raster | unlike mesa trying to do gl and clutter in software |
| 15:34.51 | raster | good luck |
| 15:34.51 | raster | :) |
| 15:34.53 | loot- | well that was always my big appeal with E back in the day |
| 15:35.00 | jtrucks | anyone know of a patch of app that will lock the screen? my power button popped off this morning and I can't lock the screen without it |
| 15:35.05 | loot- | was its ability to do software 2d rendering very well |
| 15:35.15 | raster | it still does |
| 15:35.17 | raster | and it's improved |
| 15:35.26 | raster | AND it can leverage your hw units - if thats available |
| 15:35.37 | loot- | oh i dont doubt it im just remembering how fast the animations were on e16 a decade ago so they must be a lot better today |
| 15:35.48 | raster | the reason arm+_ubuntu are relenting to use efl as opposed to stickign to their total gnome technology only focus is.. that simply efl does what nothing else can |
| 15:36.04 | raster | u can get eyecandy - abstraction, easy of developement AND speed |
| 15:36.22 | loot- | e's probably got a much smaller memory footprint than gnome too |
| 15:36.31 | loot- | gnome is a cow IMO |
| 15:36.46 | raster | efl side-stepped gtk stuff long ago - only qt has seemingly kept up. i';d say "pick yuour favorite" if ua re after best technology for something with a modern ui |
| 15:37.02 | raster | and qt has a large set of developers paid fulltime behind it |
| 15:37.11 | raster | so sure - it will have a lot of things that are more mature |
| 15:37.12 | MetaView | ..reboot... |
| 15:37.26 | raster | but gtk vs efl - it's give or take equivalent technology |
| 15:37.29 | loot- | yea i like qt/kde on desktops for productivity or for desktops for people just being introduced to *nix from windows because the layout is very close |
| 15:37.32 | raster | use emotion and stick a video object in your canvas |
| 15:37.39 | raster | it will get fully accelerated with opengl and shaders |
| 15:37.44 | raster | if u use the gl engine |
| 15:37.59 | loot- | hmm |
| 15:38.01 | raster | the softwre engine is fast enough in softwre to play full hd video withou framedrops on my media center |
| 15:38.04 | loot- | that being the case |
| 15:38.15 | loot- | can you run applications as your desktop background? |
| 15:38.16 | raster | the video object is trivial to use |
| 15:38.24 | raster | u can write a dvd player in < 20 lines of c code |
| 15:38.49 | raster | well not applications - no. e17's setup is different - the desktop os owned by the wm and it controls it - internally |
| 15:38.56 | raster | u could do a module to stick things in there |
| 15:38.57 | en0x | who can like kde? kde 4.x is a total crap... so slow on old hardware if you don't have a graphic card with hw accelleration u can forget about using kde4 |
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| 15:39.02 | raster | there are several of them that swizzle with the desktop canvas |
| 15:39.03 | loot- | hmmmm |
| 15:39.05 | loot- | i may try that |
| 15:39.13 | raster | like flame and penguins modules |
| 15:39.21 | loot- | i wouldnt mind using telescope observatory images in real time as my desktop background |
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| 15:40.12 | loot- | raster: you have a pre? |
| 15:40.19 | loot- | and you have e running on your pre already? |
| 15:40.19 | raster | nah |
| 15:40.21 | loot- | ah |
| 15:40.26 | raster | xcomp has one |
| 15:40.34 | raster | he fixed up sdl support a bit for it to work |
| 15:40.41 | raster | and also helped on the sdl-gl support for it |
| 15:41.00 | raster | i have e runing on phones with native linux+x11+e as the core system |
| 15:41.08 | raster | not hacked-on post-purchase |
| 15:41.13 | loot- | oh wow |
| 15:41.17 | loot- | what phones? |
| 15:41.22 | raster | prototypes atm |
| 15:41.26 | raster | not for sale yet |
| 15:41.34 | raster | will be when they are ready |
| 15:41.38 | loot- | cortex a8 based? |
| 15:41.47 | raster | not just phones - lots of devices - from phones to netbooks, tablets and tv's |
| 15:41.49 | raster | yes |
| 15:41.54 | loot- | nice |
| 15:41.55 | raster | a fair bit faster than the pre |
| 15:42.13 | loot- | faster doesnt always mean better |
| 15:42.18 | loot- | power management is still a big problem |
| 15:42.20 | raster | it does for me |
| 15:42.28 | raster | as i have 480x800 pixels worth to render |
| 15:42.29 | raster | :) |
| 15:42.44 | loot- | well if you a power plug always near by yea no biggie |
| 15:42.53 | raster | no need for that |
| 15:43.01 | raster | it'll probably use less pwoer than the pre |
| 15:43.04 | raster | :) |
| 15:43.09 | loot- | hehe |
| 15:43.19 | loot- | do let us know when some prototypes are up for sale |
| 15:43.20 | raster | considering its built on a better tech - i think its 45nm |
| 15:43.28 | loot- | im also working on some arm stuff myself but not for phones |
| 15:43.33 | loot- | also in prototype phase |
| 15:44.21 | raster | last i knew the omap3430 was 60nm - no? |
| 15:44.32 | raster | anyway - also more advanced sgx in it |
| 15:44.37 | raster | and screen is super amoled |
| 15:44.48 | raster | so alreayd saving a packet of power on the screen tech alone |
| 15:44.58 | raster | thus - likely will eat less power than pre |
| 15:45.16 | loot- | hmm raster you also run... some other site too that i use i think |
| 15:45.20 | loot- | maybe im thinking of the wrong person |
| 15:45.24 | loot- | cuddletech? |
| 15:45.57 | loot- | oh no |
| 15:46.01 | loot- | thats ben rockwood |
| 15:46.04 | raster | nah |
| 15:46.05 | raster | thats benr |
| 15:46.10 | raster | i dont run sites |
| 15:46.15 | raster | i just sponge off them |
| 15:46.16 | raster | :) |
| 15:46.22 | raster | wel ok rasterman.com is me personally |
| 15:46.31 | raster | extremechicken.org is extreme |
| 15:46.41 | loot- | damn it now i have to wait 6 hours to go try out the new E |
| 15:46.42 | raster | and enlightenment.org is more of a group effort |
| 15:46.42 | raster | :) |
| 15:46.43 | loot- | lol |
| 15:46.49 | raster | anyway |
| 15:46.54 | raster | just fyi - e hasnt stood still |
| 15:47.00 | loot- | have you tried x-plane while using a gl renderer in E? |
| 15:47.00 | raster | we cop lots of shit for nto releasing e17 |
| 15:47.25 | raster | but those people just dont know we've been working on core technology behind it all focused mostly on embedded - desktop is just a ncie test example |
| 15:47.32 | loot- | i notice like ~20fps difference in kde when i suspend composite rendering |
| 15:47.37 | raster | nah - havent |
| 15:47.53 | loot- | hopefully its less of an impact |
| 15:47.53 | raster | but compositing will hurt rendering per for pretty much any app |
| 15:48.11 | loot- | yea but im just wondering how much of an impact it might make |
| 15:48.17 | loot- | it might be justification for me to switch WM's |
| 15:48.27 | raster | probably roughly the same |
| 15:48.31 | loot- | so i get better virtualbox 3d performance and native x-plane in linux |
| 15:48.32 | raster | but u wont know unelss u try |
| 15:48.42 | loot- | yes indeed |
| 15:48.50 | loot- | going to try tonight when i get home from work |
| 15:48.53 | raster | drivers will have a big impact |
| 15:49.15 | raster | pretty much - if its not nvidia.. or the drivers for my soc here (where i get to beat the driver coders :))... it will suck :) |
| 15:49.20 | loot- | running the nvidia proprietary drivers right now |
| 15:49.26 | raster | u shoul dbe fine then |
| 15:49.33 | raster | what i have - using them right now |
| 15:50.21 | loot- | haha damn you for getting me excited about something i cant touch for many hours |
| 15:50.28 | raster | :) |
| 15:50.34 | raster | so... in conclusion |
| 15:50.38 | raster | e does make sense on phones :) |
| 15:50.43 | loot- | at least ill have something to think about while coding today |
| 15:50.54 | raster | i have much of that sense staring at me right now with a whole bunch of oled goodness :) |
| 15:51.08 | loot- | my cubicle is ridiculous |
| 15:51.15 | loot- | i have 4 sun ray 270's |
| 15:51.18 | loot- | 4 dell desktops |
| 15:51.20 | loot- | 2 laptops |
| 15:51.23 | loot- | a managed switch |
| 15:51.31 | loot- | an asa |
| 15:51.31 | raster | sounds like my office @ home |
| 15:51.37 | loot- | and like piles of cables all around me |
| 15:51.40 | raster | tho i prefer 1 good desktop |
| 15:51.49 | raster | but a few laptops floating aroudn doing.. things |
| 15:51.56 | loot- | yea i have all the thin clients because they're all on different networks |
| 15:52.06 | raster | multiple screens attached to 1 desktop.. and a small army of gadgets hooked onto usb with little glowing screens |
| 15:52.07 | loot- | i mainly use 1 desktop and 1 laptop |
| 15:52.13 | loot- | haha |
| 15:52.18 | loot- | you must be a fan of synergy then |
| 15:52.18 | raster | same |
| 15:52.23 | raster | nah |
| 15:52.30 | raster | desktop has 2 screens |
| 15:52.34 | loot- | ah |
| 15:52.34 | raster | they span the entire desk |
| 15:52.42 | loot- | my desktop is actually 2 computers |
| 15:52.44 | raster | (21 and 27") |
| 15:52.50 | loot- | because i have to have a damn windows machine on the domain here |
| 15:52.53 | raster | well ok -0 i have some spare space |
| 15:53.18 | loot- | i use to have an insane desktop at home |
| 15:53.24 | loot- | with 2 40" lcds |
| 15:53.26 | raster | http://www.rasterman.com/files/desk31.jpg |
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| 15:53.29 | loot- | 2 touchscreens |
| 15:53.32 | loot- | etc |
| 15:53.34 | raster | thats enough |
| 15:53.38 | loot- | it was a waste though i never used the space |
| 15:53.41 | raster | laprtop folows me when i go places |
| 15:53.43 | loot- | 1 40" is more than enough |
| 15:54.05 | loot- | haha i should find my college desktop picture |
| 15:54.07 | raster | other laptops have lids closed doing their separate things |
| 15:54.16 | raster | but i get u |
| 15:54.17 | loot- | with a stack of 40 dell optiplex gx260's |
| 15:54.20 | raster | tho i am tired of damned cables |
| 15:54.45 | raster | one day i will make a desk where i can build powerstrips into thr desk |
| 15:54.47 | raster | hidden away |
| 15:54.53 | raster | as well as al the cabling too |
| 15:54.57 | loot- | when a company went bankrupt i was given a pile of computers to help them sell off their assets |
| 15:54.59 | raster | damned bloody cables |
| 15:55.02 | loot- | ended up getting like 50 dell's |
| 15:55.06 | loot- | 2 DLP projectors |
| 15:55.08 | loot- | touchscreens |
| 15:55.10 | loot- | you name it |
| 15:55.11 | loot- | haha |
| 15:55.54 | loot- | i keep it simple now |
| 15:56.08 | loot- | my office has a desktop with a single 24" screen |
| 15:56.16 | loot- | and my shop has a rack full of gear |
| 15:56.23 | loot- | that way i dont have cables to deal with |
| 15:56.24 | loot- | noise |
| 15:56.25 | loot- | heat |
| 15:56.26 | loot- | etc |
| 15:56.55 | loot- | my sun blade 2500 raises the temperature of an average room by 5 degrees within a few hours |
| 15:57.10 | raster | it would |
| 15:57.17 | loot- | and dual 10k rpm fcal drives thing sounds like thunder when its doing a lot of reads |
| 15:57.18 | raster | i'm all bout trying to keep things cool |
| 15:57.21 | raster | its alreayd too hot |
| 15:57.29 | loot- | yea |
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| 15:57.35 | loot- | i have replaced all of my x86 machines |
| 15:57.38 | loot- | with intel atom's |
| 15:57.42 | loot- | main 330's |
| 15:57.45 | loot- | mainly* |
| 15:57.57 | loot- | now i can run 8 machines and its quiet and cool |
| 15:58.02 | raster | good call |
| 15:58.12 | raster | tho i'd go for fewer big machines |
| 15:58.18 | loot- | i have one big one |
| 15:58.19 | raster | eg a quad-core i7 |
| 15:58.24 | loot- | my desktops i7 |
| 15:58.31 | raster | with a few gb of ram |
| 15:58.32 | loot- | my border router is a quad core q6700 |
| 15:58.32 | raster | and thats it |
| 15:58.38 | raster | that can be desktop - and do everything on it |
| 15:58.41 | loot- | my border router is mini-itx form factor |
| 15:58.45 | loot- | yet its a quad core with 4 gigs of ram |
| 15:58.50 | loot- | and 4 broadcom gigabit nics |
| 15:58.53 | raster | tho need to kepe media box as well.. tv neds to work even if i'm destroygin efl :) |
| 15:59.02 | raster | why evenhave a router? |
| 15:59.09 | raster | my wireless access point does my routine |
| 15:59.11 | raster | err routing |
| 15:59.16 | raster | little mps thing with linux on it |
| 15:59.18 | loot- | i have 3 LANs at home and people connect to one for development |
| 15:59.20 | loot- | so |
| 15:59.23 | raster | wonderful 16m of ram |
| 15:59.28 | raster | does a wonderful job |
| 15:59.29 | loot- | my border has 4 interfaces 1 for each lan |
| 15:59.42 | raster | way too much complexity for me |
| 15:59.43 | raster | :) |
| 15:59.47 | loot- | my DMZ LAN is run off a cisco ASA 5505 |
| 15:59.55 | loot- | and then the other 2 lans are behind atom firewalls |
| 16:00.00 | loot- | my house |
| 16:00.04 | loot- | has a managed gigabit switch |
| 16:00.14 | loot- | with rj45 wall plates in every room |
| 16:00.18 | loot- | and its 4 stories |
| 16:00.23 | loot- | so its a considerable sized network |
| 16:01.26 | loot- | i basically have a corporate network and a private home network running out of the same place so i had to put a lot of infrastructure in place to keep them properly segmented |
| 16:03.05 | mikewx | i wired my mom's house like that. 4 rj45 jacks in each room, 2 on opposing walls so you would never have to cross a doorway to get to connectivity |
| 16:03.17 | mikewx | was great to do while they were building it |
| 16:03.27 | loot- | yea i dont like wifi for anything sensitive what so ever |
| 16:03.34 | mikewx | figured it'd come back to me eventually... now she wants to sell it~ |
| 16:03.40 | loot- | plus wifi is terrible for gaming when you have to span 4 stories |
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| 16:04.20 | loot- | having port security on my wall plates is also slick |
| 16:04.20 | loot- | haha |
| 16:04.23 | en0x | i use wifi for laptops only rest of the desktops at my house is wired |
| 16:04.31 | mikewx | so now i'm looking at a 1950's brick 2 story farmhouse... might gut it and rebuild the inside myself, and it'll get wired the same way, except now i've learned conduit is a wonderful thing:) |
| 16:04.54 | loot- | my laptops got a built in EVDO modem so i never really needed wireless |
| 16:04.57 | raster | loot-: as i said.. way too much complexioty for me network wise |
| 16:05.15 | loot- | raster: yea it distracted me from programming for a few months while i was setting it up |
| 16:05.17 | raster | a simpele ethernet cable for my desktop and media center going to the wireless ap - and everything else on nice simple wifi does it for me |
| 16:05.18 | raster | :) |
| 16:05.25 | loot- | once i lease office space half of this crap is coming out though |
| 16:05.26 | loot- | lol |
| 16:05.29 | mikewx | gotta keep your wife away from your porn :) network segmentation ftw |
| 16:05.36 | raster | wireless access point handles port-forwarding input ports where appropriate and thats all i need |
| 16:05.52 | raster | dhcp does the rest with fixed mac -> ip mapping and local mini-dns on router |
| 16:05.53 | mikewx | also keeps her virii away from my machines |
| 16:06.03 | mikewx | damn she clicks yes to everything~ |
| 16:06.08 | loot- | haha |
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| 16:06.19 | loot- | make her use linux |
| 16:06.28 | loot- | let her click yes to everything |
| 16:06.32 | loot- | lol |
| 16:06.37 | mikewx | heh |
| 16:07.06 | loot- | i dont run windows... at all |
| 16:07.14 | loot- | so anyone wanting to use a computer at my house |
| 16:07.28 | loot- | has no choice but to use it |
| 16:07.37 | knickrox13 | anyone have a commandline fix for installing preware? I've been trying to install it a few times and it seems that only the package manager service is actually installing |
| 16:07.56 | knickrox13 | I've been installing from bit.ly/preware-bootstrap |
| 16:07.57 | raster | good call |
| 16:08.17 | knickrox13 | and it's hard for me to get to wosqi at the moment |
| 16:08.19 | raster | tho ... at times some vendors just force u into windows just to deal with them |
| 16:08.45 | loot- | raster: i usually cheat then even and just run xp in a virtualbox |
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| 16:33.00 | darronb | hello? :) I'm working on getting a set of libraries packaged up for the Pre, and I'm trying to figure out the best way to put them out for others to use |
| 16:33.51 | darronb | there are two problems, (1) The package as it currently stands is 67Meg (2) it needs postinst/prerm scripts |
| 16:34.45 | darronb | I put a test feed up for preware, but it's been running all morning on wifi. That looks like a bad choice... so, what's the easiest way to let users download the package and install it themselves? |
| 16:35.00 | darronb | is there a way to load packages from /media/internal someplace in preware? |
| 16:35.25 | dianehelen | I hope someone answers you, its really hard to get any response in here most of the time |
| 16:35.44 | darronb | yeah, that's normal I suppose |
| 16:35.53 | dianehelen | ya |
| 16:36.49 | dianehelen | Im having much simpler troubles.. ;),. trying to locate a pesky file, that is like a ghost on my pre, and I cant delete via normal channels because it does not apear to be there |
| 16:36.58 | dianehelen | yet its on the list of my videos grrr |
| 16:38.05 | darronb | ah. do you have a working novaterm or terminal of some kind? |
| 16:38.35 | dianehelen | all of the above, right now grazing thru a putty session |
| 16:38.46 | dianehelen | looked via straight USB mode, |
| 16:38.54 | dianehelen | via a WinSCP session |
| 16:38.58 | dianehelen | Novaterm session |
| 16:39.01 | dianehelen | putty session |
| 16:39.08 | darronb | can't find it with something like "cd / ; find . | grep PartOfFilenameIWantToLocate" ? |
| 16:39.10 | dianehelen | the freaking file does NOT exist |
| 16:39.20 | dianehelen | tried find, grep, egrep |
| 16:39.42 | dianehelen | looked all thru every directory in internal/media |
| 16:39.58 | darronb | hmm, so it must have a title string someplace pointing to it |
| 16:40.08 | dianehelen | ya its some kind of indexing issue, |
| 16:40.25 | dianehelen | tried Jasons advanced Launcher fileindex rescan |
| 16:40.28 | darronb | unfortunately, I'm not terribly deep into the Pre at the moment. I'm mostly playing with it just to get these libraries ported to it |
| 16:40.29 | dianehelen | no change.. |
| 16:40.41 | dianehelen | what kind of libraries are they? |
| 16:40.50 | darronb | Qt platform. |
| 16:41.45 | darronb | It's the platform underneath KDE on Linux, and lots of other stuff. |
| 16:42.07 | dianehelen | and what will it do for the Pre? |
| 16:43.20 | darronb | Well, it depends on how many people use it to bring Qt-based apps to the Pre. Qt is the closest thing to a modern truly cross-platform native GUI toolkit out there |
| 16:44.02 | darronb | Nokia's phones are moving to it, Intel's Linux-based platform is going to use it now, it's in all kinds of embedded systems... etc |
| 16:44.05 | dianehelen | ok, well good luck with it.. |
| 16:44.31 | dianehelen | Im a little familiar with KDE , I have that GUI on a Xandros based net book |
| 16:46.28 | darronb | I've got an app for a client written for Symbian (Nokia phones, mostly), and now it works on the Pre. I'll probably add Android, then maybe iPhone. All with minimal changes between platforms. iPhone would probably always require jailbreaking though. Any developer will be able to do the same, once Qt is on each platform |
| 16:48.03 | dianehelen | interestng |
| 16:52.37 | VincentLaw | anyone know if webos supports: -webkit-transform: rotate(-90deg); |
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| 16:54.09 | r0dent | squeek |
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| 16:55.53 | darronb | oh wow, that was dumb. Okay, so the package is now 19Meg. I don't know why I thought ar used compression. |
| 16:56.25 | darronb | I guess i just wasn't thinking |
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| 16:58.00 | VincentLaw | (the answer to my question was yes) |
| 17:00.47 | mdklein | yes someone knows, or yes it supports it? technically your question was is anyone knew |
| 17:00.55 | mdklein | is/if |
| 17:00.59 | mdklein | bleh |
| 17:01.27 | VincentLaw | yes to both now :p |
| 17:01.32 | mdklein | good to hear |
| 17:02.14 | mdklein | I don't think UPS has managed to successfully overnight me a package ever... why the hell do I keep trying |
| 17:05.37 | BoomerET | I can overnight something to you if you live in San Fran. |
| 17:06.30 | BoomerET | Well, I'll walk it over, but hey, it's overnight. |
| 17:13.14 | darronb | what's the largest package on preware? How big is too big? :) |
| 17:15.49 | darronb | oh, wait... I didn't screw up. "palm-package ." must have actually made multiple copies of everything that was symlinked |
| 17:16.17 | darronb | so, no symlinks with palm-package? |
| 17:18.22 | darronb | it took ~48Meg worth of libs... with a symlink pointing to the same lib folder, and most libs having a symlink to themselves. Compressed, it's 19Meg. The package without pre-tarring is 67Meg. It's probably made 4 copies of everything. |
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| 17:19.44 | darronb | well, anyway... I'll wait for a response on the forums. not much going on here. |
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| 17:27.56 | egaudet-wirc | games in app cat are much larger than 19 MB ;) |
| 17:32.19 | mdklein | he left |
| 17:32.41 | mdklein | but I was going to say the symlink thing is probably due to the inability to symlink in /media/cryptofs |
| 17:33.26 | mdklein | though I'd think it would be smarter if palm accounted for that in the install script instead of the package |
| 17:33.45 | egaudet-wirc | yea he needs some widk |
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| 18:33.16 | jacques | infobot: it's quiet |
| 18:33.16 | infobot | too quiet. |
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| 18:42.08 | swisstomcat | heya |
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| 18:55.11 | TheInvsbleMan | Is it possible/is anyone willing to write a patch to enable gesture tap/orange button tap to delete photos? |
| 18:57.10 | TheInvsbleMan | from the grid view of course |
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| 19:05.01 | swisstomcat | ping rwhitby |
| 19:05.09 | en0x | omfg |
| 19:05.16 | en0x | there is a kama sutra app in the catalog |
| 19:05.17 | en0x | ;D |
| 19:05.21 | en0x | and it's free!!!! |
| 19:05.29 | swisstomcat | did you look at it? |
| 19:05.37 | swisstomcat | it's two chicks!!! in underwear |
| 19:05.38 | en0x | of course downloading now :p |
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| 19:06.37 | swisstomcat | who wants clothed chicks showing kama sutra? |
| 19:06.49 | swisstomcat | i'll pass :) |
| 19:10.23 | TheInvsbleMan | I agree with swisstomcat |
| 19:10.38 | loot- | dont worry |
| 19:10.41 | loot- | you'll have flash soon |
| 19:10.52 | loot- | you can browse all the internet porn your little "heart" desires |
| 19:10.53 | loot- | haha |
| 19:10.53 | swisstomcat | hehe |
| 19:10.57 | TheInvsbleMan | hahaha |
| 19:11.36 | TheInvsbleMan | Though a good kama sutra app would be kinda cool |
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| 19:12.17 | loot- | i can see it now... some jack ass in a doctors office watching porn on his phone and a little kid catches him... law suit.. etc |
| 19:14.57 | loot- | they already passed a law in DC that it's illegal to watch porn in your vehicle because people were driving around with hardcore porn playing on their entertainment screens and drivers behind them could see it clearly |
| 19:16.26 | swisstomcat | really |
| 19:16.39 | swisstomcat | with kids on the back-seat? |
| 19:16.47 | loot- | im sure some of them do yes :P |
| 19:17.23 | en0x | lol |
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| 19:35.00 | en0x | do u know of any other websites similar to project appetite? |
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| 19:47.42 | bhern | http://www.myappbox.com/ |
| 19:49.22 | en0x | bhern, thanks |
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| 20:52.07 | Mousey | waves |
| 20:52.57 | swisstomcat | waves back |
| 20:53.08 | swisstomcat | where did adora go? |
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| 20:56.10 | MetaView | the FB is quite slow, isn't it? |
| 20:56.18 | en0x | i dont use it |
| 20:56.48 | rwhitby | morning |
| 20:56.55 | MetaView | I have Duke3D running, but it's slower than on my old Centro |
| 20:57.00 | MetaView | moin |
| 20:57.09 | en0x | fb for me is a crap no privacy |
| 20:57.16 | swisstomcat | g'day rwhitby |
| 20:57.20 | MetaView | FB: framebuffer |
| 20:57.36 | AnOutsider | hahaha |
| 20:57.39 | en0x | oh i thought you meant facebook |
| 20:57.39 | en0x | lol |
| 20:57.40 | en0x | :D |
| 20:57.43 | swisstomcat | hehe |
| 20:57.45 | knickrox13 | hey guys, have any of you ever had an experience where you can't install preware? It seems that the package manager service will install but i cant get preware to install at all, via webosquickinstall, or the preware bootstrap (http://bit.ly/preware-bootstrap) via commandline |
| 20:57.46 | AnOutsider | self-pwnt |
| 20:58.00 | AnOutsider | what error do you get knick |
| 20:58.01 | knickrox13 | it doesnt show any error, just doesn't show up on my phone |
| 20:58.02 | swisstomcat | how does the install fail? |
| 20:58.04 | en0x | knickrox13, what errors u get? |
| 20:58.11 | knickrox13 | nothing, thats the weirdest part |
| 20:58.18 | swisstomcat | knickrox13: the preware bootstrap writes a logfile |
| 20:58.20 | knickrox13 | is there any way that i can manually remove preware, and then maybe try again |
| 20:58.26 | knickrox13 | where? ill take a look |
| 20:58.28 | jacques | morning rwhitby |
| 20:58.48 | swisstomcat | knickrox13: did you download it to /tmp? the logfile should be there |
| 20:58.52 | knickrox13 | yeah |
| 20:59.04 | knickrox13 | okay ill try again and take a look. thanks guys |
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| 21:02.51 | rwhitby | knickrox13: there's a log in /tmp - what does it say? |
| 21:03.38 | knickrox13 | Collected errors: |
| 21:03.38 | knickrox13 | Package org.webosinternals.preware md5sum mismatch. Either the ipkg or the package index are corrupt. Try 'ipkg update'. |
| 21:04.02 | knickrox13 | everything else turned out OK to the installer besides that |
| 21:04.12 | swisstomcat | rwhitby, jacques: i've secured a spot at the swiss open source conference to present webos-internals |
| 21:04.27 | swisstomcat | (not sure if you got the pm's) |
| 21:05.36 | knickrox13 | If it helps, the problem first began when I updated preware...via preware in the last update I believe |
| 21:05.48 | knickrox13 | and then preware just disappeared |
| 21:06.15 | jacques | swisstomcat: nice |
| 21:06.36 | swisstomcat | now i need to talk to palm |
| 21:07.47 | rwhitby | knickrox13: do an "ipkg -o /media/cryptofs/apps update" first |
| 21:09.28 | swisstomcat | ping zsoc |
| 21:11.06 | jacques | 2.6.33 is out |
| 21:12.43 | jacques | http://kernelnewbies.org/LinuxChanges damn I love kernelnewbies |
| 21:13.02 | knickrox13 | thank you +rwhitby |
| 21:13.18 | knickrox13 | for now AND every other time youve figured out how to fix my phone haha |
| 21:14.06 | rwhitby | knickrox13: now we need to work out how to make that part of the script |
| 21:17.34 | loot- | # |
| 21:17.35 | loot- | PM: CPUidle: base driver and support for C1-C2 (commit) |
| 21:17.46 | loot- | new support in 2.6.33 for arm omap3's |
| 21:18.38 | rwhitby | ah, they finally bumped Android |
| 21:18.55 | knickrox13 | right right...while i have you here rwhitby, I can't seem to uninstall or update the 'Hide App Vendors,' I'm getting a failure during pre-remove script execution |
| 21:19.24 | rwhitby | knickrox13: yeah, that one has a bug in it I think - there's threads on it on PreCentral |
| 21:19.41 | knickrox13 | Oh, okay ill check them out thanks a ton |
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| 21:27.54 | swisstomcat | night everyone |
| 21:28.44 | MetaView | night |
| 21:30.07 | rwhitby | bbl |
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| 21:31.32 | psykoz | So I'm poking around with scummvm, are there any ways with the pre keyboard to do keys like f1-f10 or anything? (don't see anything on scumms webos-internals wiki page) |
| 21:37.22 | MetaView | Duke3d: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54kzs_voMP8 |
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| 21:45.12 | oc80z | usa #1 |
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| 22:40.28 | Steven__ | Greetings |
| 22:42.39 | tehLulz | Can anyone lend a hand with a tech-question? |
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| 22:45.08 | tehLulz | How can I update Preware from my phone terminal? |
| 22:45.26 | tehLulz | I can't SSH in and my cable is messed up, but I still have terminal installed... |
| 22:45.46 | tehLulz | Preware is not loading properly, btw, feed error and "wget" 403 forbidden error of some sort that will take more time to diagnose than to fix. |
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| 22:50.35 | mdklein | I'm doing this from memory, and not sure if there's an easier way... but I used "ipkg -o /media/cryptofs/apps install http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/all/org.webosinternals.preware_0.9.28_all.ipk" and "ipkg -o /media/cryptofs/apps install http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/all/org.webosinternals.ipkgservice_0.9.36_all.ipk" sounds more lke your ipkgservice is messed up, but it'd probably be good to get bo |
| 22:50.35 | mdklein | th up to date |
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| 22:52.35 | tehLulz | I actually just wgetted the preware boostrap |
| 22:52.41 | tehLulz | and that seems to have taken care of it |
| 22:52.58 | tehLulz | I think it udpated everything |
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| 22:53.26 | tehLulz | I just hope it doesn't wreak havoc on my existing patches |
| 22:54.36 | tehLulz | Hi everyone!!!!!!!!!!!1111111111111111111111111111111111124124one |
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| 23:09.15 | rwhitby | mdklein: you should just use preware-bootstrap |
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| 23:15.12 | WillJitsu | I just got a replacement Pre and didn't come with 1.3.5.1. I already loaded all my homebrew apps and patches. Do I need to run anything to move the homebrew apps to the new storage location with the 1.3.5 change? |
| 23:15.59 | rwhitby | yep, use the EMH |
| 23:19.16 | WillJitsu | great. thanks. |
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| 23:24.24 | Stevo_ | Somebody wanna give me a little hand installing Preware? |
| 23:24.35 | zsoc | install.preware.org |
| 23:24.58 | Stevo_ | having an issue though |
| 23:25.12 | rwhitby | Stevo_: what instructions are you following, and what step are you up to? |
| 23:26.09 | Stevo_ | from preware.org |
| 23:26.33 | rwhitby | full URL please |
| 23:26.42 | Stevo_ | when i run the preware executable, it says it can't find the webos doc .jar |
| 23:27.01 | Stevo_ | http://preware.org/#/index/ |
| 23:27.26 | Stevo_ | should i use instructions elsewhere? |
| 23:28.04 | rwhitby | no, those are ok. alternate instructions are at http://install.preware.org if you already have WebOS Quick Install working |
| 23:30.53 | rwhitby | (I've never used the Windows installer myself, so don't know what filename it's expecting for the doctor) |
| 23:31.26 | Stevo_ | let me try the webos quick install. seems easier |
| 23:33.22 | jacques | I always have a problem with the doctor file name, because it doesn't tell you |
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| 23:33.45 | Roy-Pre101 | Howdy folks. |
| 23:33.52 | zsoc | Roy-Pre101, hey roy, fancy meeting you this way :) |
| 23:33.59 | Roy-Pre101 | zsoc: I was just looking for you. |
| 23:34.05 | zsoc | Roy-Pre101, i was just being found |
| 23:34.09 | Roy-Pre101 | Neat. |
| 23:34.27 | zsoc | What up |
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| 23:36.54 | Roy-Pre101 | Other topic: Wife is getting 'org.webosinternals.upstartmgr md5sum mismatch. Either the ipkg or package index are corrupt' Tells her to do an ipkg update. Before I ssh into her phone is that likely to fix it? |
| 23:37.27 | zsoc | Roy-Pre101, yes |
| 23:37.59 | Roy-Pre101 | Well, that was easy |
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| 23:42.02 | rwhitby | Roy-Pre101: it just means she hasn't updated her feeds since last time we updated Preware |
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| 23:42.53 | Roy-Pre101 | Perhaps not the most user friendly error message for 'tap the menu and update feeds' :) |
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| 23:43.19 | zsoc | Roy-Pre101, more importantly, it's an accurate error message. |
| 23:43.44 | Roy-Pre101 | accurate but not actionable for most people. |
| 23:43.53 | zsoc | diagnosable for us :) |
| 23:44.01 | Roy-Pre101 | My wife says: 'I thought it updated the feeds each time I opened the sucker' |
| 23:44.18 | zsoc | it does unless you tell it not to, or you have no data service atm |
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| 23:46.14 | rwhitby | Roy-Pre101: you are correct that we should really catch that error message (which comes directly from the ipkg tool itself) and rewrite it on the fly or pop up a window. |
| 23:46.23 | rwhitby | Patches welcome :-) |
| 23:46.42 | Roy-Pre101 | :) |
| 23:46.56 | Roy-Pre101 | If my cup didn't already runneth over I might just. |
| 23:47.42 | rwhitby | What we really need is someone to take up the Preware End User Diagnosis document taks. |
| 23:47.43 | rwhitby | task |
| 23:48.36 | xcomp | cp build/src/configure build/src/configure.orig && sed -e 's/2.12/2.0/g' build/src/configure.orig > build/src/configure |
| 23:48.43 | xcomp | wow, naughty zsoc |
| 23:48.47 | zsoc | xcomp, i nixed it |
| 23:48.48 | xcomp | :) |
| 23:48.59 | zsoc | xcomp, I WAS TESTING SOMETHING, i left it in before i pushed by accident |
| 23:49.18 | Roy-Pre101 | Bleh, wife has managed to get all sorts of patch problems on her phone. |
| 23:49.22 | xcomp | zsoc: no worries, just giving you a hard time :) |
| 23:49.26 | zsoc | xcomp, there'll be a lot more of that if i have to backport gst-ffmpeg :p |
| 23:49.37 | zsoc | xcomp, actually, i might need your help. I can't get gst-ffmpeg to build |
| 23:49.46 | Roy-Pre101 | This I why I only have about 6 patches and not the 40+ she has. :P |
| 23:49.47 | xcomp | zsoc: i was working on ffmpeg too |
| 23:49.59 | zsoc | xcomp, er, gst-ffmpeg. the plugins package |
| 23:50.03 | xcomp | zsoc: unfortunately it looks like it'll be monday before my new hard drive pcb arrives |
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| 23:50.16 | zsoc | xcomp, ffmpeg already works it seems? unless you mean you were working on getting a more customized build? |
| 23:50.21 | xcomp | until then I'm still hopeless |
| 23:50.32 | xcomp | i think I was able to build ffmpeg |
| 23:50.48 | xcomp | i worked on a lot of these things when I was working on emotion |
| 23:50.49 | zsoc | xcomp, yes, ffmpeg both builds and works fine, it's in the widk |
| 23:51.07 | xcomp | i had makefiles all ready for everything |
| 23:51.13 | xcomp | sorry you had to do duplicate work :) |
| 23:51.23 | zsoc | xcomp, i didn't? |
| 23:51.41 | xcomp | the libogg/vorbis/theora/flac stuff |
| 23:51.45 | xcomp | i had all that ready to go |
| 23:51.50 | xcomp | on my hard drive |
| 23:51.50 | zsoc | oh.. that was pretty straight forward |
| 23:52.02 | zsoc | I mean, standard makefile, plug in package names/versions lol |
| 23:52.09 | zsoc | the gstreamer packages are the ones driving me crazy |
| 23:52.11 | xcomp | yeah, those weren't troublesome |
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| 23:54.58 | zsoc | xcomp, "no rule to make" errors are generally caused by an improperly configured makefile right? |
| 23:55.38 | xcomp | most likely |
| 23:57.22 | zsoc | hmm.. i wonder if it's a config file bug |
| 23:57.33 | xcomp | what error exactly? |
| 23:58.29 | zsoc | err, i'll have it in a minute, couldn't find the build log :P |
