| 00:00.08 | tlp | hmm. My Pre has been freezing on restart. |
| 00:00.18 | tlp | little restart logo gets stuck |
| 00:00.45 | xcomp | mine too. |
| 00:00.50 | oc80z | whats good |
| 00:00.56 | tlp | really? glad it's not just me |
| 00:01.05 | xcomp | and then it does the same thing during boot |
| 00:01.17 | xcomp | gets stuck on the palm logo |
| 00:01.27 | xcomp | take out the battery, and then it boots normally |
| 00:01.34 | tlp | yeah, that's what I'm doing |
| 00:01.49 | tlp | ah, such a love-hate relationship with webOS :p |
| 00:02.11 | xcomp | i've decided I'm going to doctor the phone once 1.4 comes out |
| 00:02.17 | xcomp | i've never doctored it |
| 00:02.22 | tlp | I hadn't either until recently |
| 00:02.26 | tlp | this is sort of a fresh-ish doctor |
| 00:02.33 | tlp | so I dunno if it'll help |
| 00:03.10 | xcomp | i believe it's something in homebrew that's causing it, so at least it'll give me a chance to start on a clean slate |
| 00:03.16 | xcomp | and eliminate some stuff I don't need |
| 00:03.25 | xcomp | so many patches and apps installed |
| 00:03.28 | tlp | could be, but it could also just be something buggy about webOS |
| 00:03.44 | xcomp | yeah I know webos has bugs too |
| 00:03.55 | xcomp | I've found bugs in the SDL lib |
| 00:03.56 | tlp | I haven't really applied that many patches |
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| 00:04.42 | tlp | and I can't for the life of me think of what patch/service/app could affect something that low level |
| 00:06.10 | tlp | could be some SDL app, since I've been playing with those a lot lately. That pokes around at the graphics hardware. |
| 00:06.57 | tmzt | could the nand/sd be corrupt? |
| 00:07.09 | tmzt | it's way to bearly for any patches |
| 00:07.23 | tmzt | unless the stuff rwhitby was doing caused a problem |
| 00:07.27 | tmzt | with the tlv values |
| 00:07.39 | tlp | I'll have to see if I can successfully reboot the device after a fresh start |
| 00:07.43 | tlp | no idea |
| 00:08.09 | tmzt | doctor isn't complete |
| 00:08.56 | tlp | yep, sure can. I'm betting something leaves the hardware in a weird state. |
| 00:09.15 | tlp | Might be NesEm. |
| 00:10.16 | destinal | haven't seen anything that does something with pre hardware that prevents warm restart, yet... |
| 00:10.44 | tlp | lemme see if I can do it after launching NesEm. It's hard to say since the Pre is usually on all day before rebooting. |
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| 00:11.03 | destinal | have you guys tried the hold down power button, flick mute off and on three times, keep holding power button for a few seconds, to see if a warm restart that way helps? |
| 00:11.25 | tlp | holy cow. Is that some hidden way to reboot? haha |
| 00:11.44 | destinal | yeah I use it instead of pulliung battery usually |
| 00:12.01 | tlp | I use the key combo |
| 00:12.03 | tlp | Sym Orange R |
| 00:12.11 | destinal | this works even when that doesn't |
| 00:12.15 | tlp | cool |
| 00:12.33 | tlp | I'll try that the next time it gets frozen |
| 00:14.07 | tmzt | you think sgx crashed? |
| 00:14.18 | tlp | I'd like to watch dmesg or something sometime to see why this takes so long to boot |
| 00:14.29 | tlp | sgx? |
| 00:14.34 | tmzt | gpu |
| 00:14.40 | tlp | dunno |
| 00:15.16 | tmzt | maybe something the dsp |
| 00:15.29 | tmzt | if warm reset doesn't work that could be it |
| 00:15.49 | tlp | what is the difference between a warm reset and the trick destinal mentioned? |
| 00:16.29 | tmzt | not sure |
| 00:16.45 | tlp | I assumed webOS just executes 'reboot' or whatever |
| 00:18.25 | Kyusaku | I remember Treos had a similar emergency reboots with the mute switch |
| 00:19.08 | tmzt | so that might be hardware/firmware |
| 00:19.22 | tlp | yeah |
| 00:19.27 | tlp | probably just as scary as pulling the battery, but easier |
| 00:20.05 | tlp | like a PC reset switch |
| 00:21.28 | tlp | <=3 months until I get EVDO. 1x is killing me. |
| 00:21.39 | tlp | (unless Sprint moves the date back again) |
| 00:22.23 | tlp | I hate accidentally starting Preware while I'm in 1x. Then I've gotta interrupt it and restart Luna. |
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| 00:23.56 | Kyusaku | have you bugged sprint for one of those EVDO routers for free? |
| 00:24.07 | tlp | I have not |
| 00:24.12 | tlp | you mean like what rwhitby has? |
| 00:24.37 | Kyusaku | not sure what rod has |
| 00:24.54 | tmzt | 1x? |
| 00:24.57 | tlp | something you stick in your house that tunnels traffic over your Internet connection |
| 00:25.02 | tmzt | ah |
| 00:25.06 | tlp | er |
| 00:25.07 | tlp | no |
| 00:25.11 | tlp | that was to Kyusaku :p |
| 00:25.21 | tlp | 1X is a ridiculously slow data connection |
| 00:25.24 | tmzt | just use wifi in that case |
| 00:25.27 | tlp | yes |
| 00:25.37 | tlp | but sometimes my phone hasn't associated and I don't notice |
| 00:25.39 | tmzt | yep, I used it for three years as my only connection |
| 00:26.04 | tmzt | why isn't Preware caching? |
| 00:26.14 | Kyusaku | but I remember when people first got the Pre there a bunch of threads about people would call up Sprint to complain about their coverage and gave you one of those EVDO routers for free |
| 00:26.33 | tmzt | just use wifi |
| 00:26.42 | tmzt | or do you mean mifi |
| 00:27.03 | Kyusaku | I don't think it was called mifi back then |
| 00:27.15 | Kyusaku | lemme see if I can dig up the threads |
| 00:30.24 | Kyusaku | oh my bad it was an airave |
| 00:30.41 | Kyusaku | which I don't believe supports evdo |
| 00:30.53 | rwhitby | tlp: I don't have any evdo router thingo |
| 00:30.59 | tlp | ah |
| 00:31.10 | tlp | maybe it was just something someone suggested to you at some point |
| 00:32.38 | rwhitby | the mute switch flick reboot is in the kernel |
| 00:33.24 | rwhitby | tmzt: Preware does cache - have you set the update frequency to manual ? |
| 00:37.03 | rwhitby | OK, who wants a version of Preware which only shows Free apps ? |
| 00:37.34 | rwhitby | (by a preference, which defaults to off) |
| 00:38.24 | Kyusaku | I don't care about price filtering personally |
| 00:38.35 | Kyusaku | so that's a no for me |
| 00:39.39 | rwhitby | cool, it will continue to work as you desire out of the box. |
| 00:40.14 | tlp | I would like that actually |
| 00:41.17 | rwhitby | My position is that users should see all the excellent commercial apps that developers have put hours of work into, but should also be able to filter them all out if they choose. Especially the users in countries where you cannot purchase apps (now, and maybe never). |
| 00:42.03 | tlp | I am not opposed to paid apps or anything, but it is kind of annoying to sift through |
| 00:42.21 | tlp | sometimes I'll install something "free" that turns out to just be a beta, and I don't realize it because I didn't pay close attention to the description |
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| 00:43.16 | airmack | well at least you have the choice, in germany at this moment it is 'free only' apps |
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| 00:43.35 | tlp | yeah |
| 00:43.46 | tlp | we went through that period in the states though too :p |
| 00:43.49 | airmack | but who buys a 400Euro phone to use an fart app :( |
| 00:44.11 | tlp | when I bought my pre there isn't much in the way of apps, paid or otherwise. |
| 00:44.52 | tlp | but I saw the potential it had when I saw the stuff coming out of this channel/community :p |
| 00:45.05 | tlp | wasn't* |
| 00:46.51 | airmack | PuffTheMagic_: what is your way of turning the compiled package(tbz2) into an ipkg? |
| 00:47.25 | PuffTheMagic_ | well portage can create tbz2's of the pacakges |
| 00:47.34 | PuffTheMagic_ | so those could be converted to ipks easily |
| 00:47.37 | destinal | airmack: what are you trying to distribute? |
| 00:47.55 | PuffTheMagic_ | could probably even patch in support for direct ipkg support |
| 00:48.18 | airmack | PuffTheMagic_: that is what i was/am looking for |
| 00:49.12 | destinal | airmack: unless you're talking about making something like an SDL app or using /opt like optware there's probably not a good ipkg lib to install your binaries into |
| 00:49.23 | airmack | so at this moment i did the ipkg-building manually |
| 00:50.10 | destinal | airmack: using the rootfs ipkg lib that palm uses is said to have caused serious problems with the official software update tool |
| 00:51.38 | destinal | so /opt/ (/opt/var/lib/ipkg) like optware or /media/cryptofs/apps (/media/cryptofs/apps/var/lib/ipkg) like app installation uses would be safe places |
| 00:52.22 | airmack | hmm i was hoping i could use the ipkg that is already on the phone |
| 00:53.44 | destinal | yeah, I hear you, it's said that when mytether installed using that on tons of device there was a problem with the software update tool thinking it needed to reupdate over and over again. now, that could have just been because it installed files in / but the conjecture is using the root ipkg lib may have been part or all of the problem there |
| 00:53.59 | destinal | I don't know if anyone has researched it thoroughly enough to say for sure |
| 00:54.20 | destinal | but there's a reason optware uses /opt for everything, to avoid conflicting with palm stuff |
| 00:57.58 | rwhitby | airmack: you can use the ipkg on the phone, with -o /media/cryptofs/apps as the offline root. if you don't give an offline root, you will pollute the palm rootfs ipkg database and have OTA update hassles. |
| 00:58.23 | rwhitby | destinal: it's not conjecture, it was confirmed by Palm engineers. |
| 00:58.27 | destinal | rwhitby: I think he's talking about installing system binaries |
| 00:58.33 | destinal | rwhitby: not custom apps |
| 00:58.55 | destinal | so something like we did with /opt for optware may make more sense |
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| 01:01.03 | destinal | rwhitby: while I put a lot of stock in what palm engineers say, it would still be nice to prove out the issue experimentally and understand more about it |
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| 01:01.36 | destinal | do some update traces, etc |
| 01:02.20 | rwhitby | destinal: sure |
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| 01:07.05 | rwhitby | destinal: optware has a general philosophy (which has proven very useful over at least 20 different router, NAS and smartphone platforms) of staying completely independent of the vendor firmware, not replacing it. That's what distinguishes it from openwrt.org and openembedded.org (both of which I develop for too, and both of which have much the same set of packages). |
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| 01:10.27 | rwhitby | airmack: if you're interested in the modem interface side of things, and are OK with replacing the webOS user interface with something different, the freesmartphone.org guys are also working on the Pre. |
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| 01:17.50 | airmack | good night everybody |
| 01:17.58 | rwhitby | night airmack |
| 01:20.10 | tmzt | rwhitby: I still don't have a Pre |
| 01:20.27 | tmzt | I'm trying to understand why 1x data would affect startup time of Preware |
| 01:20.51 | rwhitby | tmzt: if you update on each launch, then it will download a couple of MBs of data. |
| 01:20.57 | rwhitby | (if you have all feeds enabled) |
| 01:21.04 | tmzt | I see |
| 01:21.11 | tmzt | that might have been his issue then |
| 01:21.26 | rwhitby | if you don't update on launch, it will download nothing until you start looking at icons and screenshots |
| 01:23.50 | tlp | that's the default |
| 01:24.04 | tlp | and if you kill it while it's doing that, it gets left in a state where you have to restart Luna or something |
| 01:24.33 | rwhitby | while it's updating, just go into preferences and change it. then restart. |
| 01:25.06 | rwhitby | (it will keep downloading in the background, but a reboot will fix that) |
| 01:26.03 | tlp | ah |
| 01:26.18 | tlp | Does the author of NesEm hang out in here? |
| 01:27.06 | rwhitby | Preware 0.9.25 in alpha testing feed with a non-default preference for only showing free apps. |
| 01:27.10 | tlp | the on-screen controls are a bit weird. All of the homebrew stuff I've tried so far works a bit better. |
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| 01:34.01 | rwhitby | tlp: NesEM is a commercial application, isn't it? |
| 01:35.19 | Kyusaku | outside of app catalog pay app |
| 01:36.02 | rwhitby | they must have an official support channel if you pay for it, right? |
| 01:37.17 | raster | rwhitby: no no! thats your job to provide support here for free for them! |
| 01:37.59 | rwhitby | raster: ah, of course. Just like we do for Palm ;-) |
| 01:38.11 | Kyusaku | they have their own site with forums |
| 01:42.48 | raster | rwhitby: thats how it works! of course! |
| 01:42.48 | raster | :) |
| 01:43.08 | rwhitby | raster: anything interesting at MWC ? |
| 01:43.26 | rwhitby | (e.g. anything you've been working on)( |
| 01:45.17 | tlp | rwhitby: I was just demoing it. It'll run roms <40K |
| 01:45.36 | tlp | I got it from Preware though. |
| 01:45.55 | raster | rwhitby: i'm not there. |
| 01:45.58 | raster | :) |
| 01:46.04 | rwhitby | ah, it's free for tiny roms and paid for normal roms? |
| 01:46.11 | raster | rwhitby: but there may be... dunno till i hear something |
| 01:46.18 | tlp | right |
| 01:46.26 | rwhitby | raster: bada is being released. yawn. |
| 01:46.31 | tlp | although even tiny roms will "crash" after a while |
| 01:46.36 | raster | rwhitby: indeed. yawn. |
| 01:46.43 | tlp | I doubt I'll buy this thing though. Not worth $10. I'd rather spend a weekend trying to make fceu work. |
| 01:49.15 | tlp | the on-screen d-pad requires you to lift your finger off of the screen and tap the direction you want to go; seems weird considering dtzWill (I think) got VBA working pretty well. |
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| 02:20.47 | sslow_ | rwhitby: 0.9.25 working as expected! |
| 02:23.13 | rwhitby | sslow_: thx for the report |
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| 02:34.53 | farms | hello all |
| 02:36.44 | farms | anyway to rotate photos on the pre |
| 02:38.15 | acydlord_alt | not that i am aware of |
| 02:39.13 | acydlord_alt | havent tried the synaptics rotate gesture yet though |
| 02:39.13 | farms | rotate gesture? |
| 02:40.17 | acydlord_alt | rotate gesture on synaptics pads is hold bottom left or right corner and make a curving motion from the top of that corner to the bottom of the other corner |
| 02:40.28 | acydlord_alt | doesnt seem to work on the pre though |
| 02:40.50 | farms | :( |
| 02:41.23 | acydlord_alt | it just invokes the zoom |
| 02:41.32 | acydlord_alt | was it an image you took or one that was sent to you? |
| 02:41.56 | farms | email attatchment |
| 02:43.20 | acydlord_alt | maybe 1.4 will have something |
| 02:43.30 | acydlord_alt | we need basic photo editing onboard |
| 02:43.37 | farms | I sure hope so |
| 02:43.48 | farms | anyway back to work, ttyl |
| 02:44.21 | acydlord_alt | lates |
| 02:51.44 | tlp | hehe. I had an answer for him. oh well. I imagine future versions of webOS will have that sort of thing though. |
| 02:52.16 | tlp | you can rotate the phone in view mode and take a screenshot of the rotation; it works. :p |
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| 03:09.39 | acydlord_alt | tlp, it doesnt keep the orientation info in the metadata for the image? |
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| 05:06.11 | oil | :/ |
| 05:06.25 | rwhitby | what ails you oil? |
| 05:06.40 | oil | installed windows 7 |
| 05:06.56 | oil | apparently the software for my keyboard isn't supported |
| 05:08.45 | oil | im liking windows 7 overall though |
| 05:09.41 | rwhitby | bbl |
| 05:10.33 | Kyusaku | hmmm...if preware shows a package manager service update AND preware update will it install in correct order if I hit "update all"? |
| 05:10.50 | oil | it should* |
| 05:11.15 | Kyusaku | what about if there are other apps as well? |
| 05:11.40 | oil | it should* do them last |
| 05:12.19 | Kyusaku | might as well give it a shot to try it out |
| 05:12.25 | oil | its written to do that, but i don't know how many times its actually been tested |
| 05:12.36 | Kyusaku | testing |
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| 05:16.03 | Kyusaku | seems to have worked. although it showed downloading/updating package manager service before gdialpro(then preware) |
| 05:16.35 | Kyusaku | Not sure if it matters |
| 05:16.47 | oil | as long as the service is before preware |
| 05:17.29 | Kyusaku | preware still working, nice |
| 05:18.54 | Kyusaku | hmmmm that's odd. Preware not showing drpodder installed |
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| 05:26.43 | Kyusaku | oh it's there but in unknown |
| 05:26.47 | Kyusaku | hmmm |
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| 06:04.32 | rick-home | oil you still up? |
| 06:05.06 | rick-home | ~seen rwhitby |
| 06:05.08 | infobot | rwhitby is currently on #webos-internals (2d 2h 26m 45s) #oe (2d 2h 26m 45s) #nslu2-linux (2d 2h 26m 45s). Has said a total of 67 messages. Is idling for 58m 43s, last said: 'what ails you oil?'. |
| 06:15.20 | oil | yeah, im still here |
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| 06:18.13 | newpreowner | hey guys i know this question prolly comes up often |
| 06:18.16 | newpreowner | im not tech savvy |
| 06:18.24 | newpreowner | i got a pre from a friend and just wanna use it for wifi |
| 06:18.28 | newpreowner | but its on activation |
| 06:18.32 | newpreowner | and i can't create a profile |
| 06:18.37 | newpreowner | any easy way to get around this? |
| 06:20.08 | newpreowner | anyone? |
| 06:21.08 | ka6sox | wait for it... |
| 06:21.38 | newpreowner | wait for it? |
| 06:22.47 | Kyusaku | can't use phone radio? meta-doctor |
| 06:23.10 | newpreowner | well i dont wanna use the phone at all, just to bypass the activation profile |
| 06:23.18 | newpreowner | so i can use it on wifi and thats it |
| 06:23.30 | newpreowner | some of the steps are insanely difficult and im not versed in linux |
| 06:24.51 | Kyusaku | but can you use the phone radio/evdo? |
| 06:25.08 | newpreowner | the phones currently shows full bars of service |
| 06:25.16 | newpreowner | and says sprint in the top corner |
| 06:25.31 | newpreowner | other than that im just stuck on the palm profile and when i try to make a profile it says it needs cellular data |
| 06:26.23 | newpreowner | meta doctor seems like the direction i need to go in |
| 06:26.40 | newpreowner | however i dont have linux and am not comfortable in using it |
| 06:27.12 | jacques | ka6sox: heh |
| 06:27.37 | Kyusaku | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:MetaDoctor |
| 06:27.52 | newpreowner | i am on that page now kyu |
| 06:27.55 | Kyusaku | you don't have to use linux |
| 06:28.05 | newpreowner | cgywin |
| 06:28.12 | Kyusaku | right |
| 06:28.20 | newpreowner | is it complex from that point on? |
| 06:28.23 | newpreowner | with the linux commands |
| 06:28.25 | newpreowner | ? |
| 06:28.39 | Kyusaku | mostly copy and paste |
| 06:29.33 | newpreowner | well ive installed cgywin |
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| 06:29.44 | newpreowner | and in the wiki it asks me to install 4 other packages |
| 06:30.07 | Kyusaku | yeah in the install menus |
| 06:30.23 | Kyusaku | did it not ask you to select packages to install? |
| 06:30.51 | newpreowner | yeah ima still quickly here one moment |
| 06:32.30 | newpreowner | installing python |
| 06:32.50 | newpreowner | still haven't seen make, git, or patch on the list.. |
| 06:35.13 | rwhitby | rick-home: what's up? |
| 06:36.14 | newpreowner | ok this isn't going well |
| 06:36.29 | newpreowner | there isn't a simple loader? |
| 06:36.36 | newpreowner | to just bypass it kind of like an iphone? |
| 06:37.39 | rwhitby | newpreowner: no, the problem is we can't legally redistribute Palm copyright files, so the end user needs to make the customisations themselves. |
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| 06:38.06 | newpreowner | ic rwhitby, well im def trying, but my lack of linux knowledge doesn't help |
| 06:38.14 | newpreowner | any "easy" methods lol |
| 06:38.25 | newpreowner | that can run on win |
| 06:38.34 | rwhitby | Jason Robitaille is working on such a thing. |
| 06:38.55 | rwhitby | just run Ubuntu 9.10 in a virtualbox virtual machine and use that |
| 06:39.22 | newpreowner | yeah i came across his blog, but the last update was july 09 lol |
| 06:39.35 | newpreowner | i almost thought about even contact sprint, activating a line, bypass activation, then cancel my line lol |
| 06:39.45 | newpreowner | but that is a lot of work and a lot can go wrong also lol |
| 06:40.16 | Kyusaku | lemme try a cygwin install on my windows box and see if I can find the packages |
| 06:40.30 | newpreowner | ty kyu |
| 06:40.50 | newpreowner | the python package just kept downloading a ton of stuff which i think was completely incorrect |
| 06:42.08 | *** part/#webos-internals oil (~desktop@66-189-216-38.dhcp.ykma.wa.charter.com) |
| 06:42.49 | rwhitby | So, do we have any other people who've tested Preware 0.9.25 from the alpha testing feed? New preference option to only show free apps. |
| 06:43.00 | rwhitby | Need two more testers to release. |
| 06:43.54 | Kyusaku | I downloaded it but haven't tested the options, updated fine with update all |
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| 06:44.02 | jacques | rwhitby: let me try it |
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| 06:44.44 | newpreowner | lol if itll help me get past activation ill help |
| 06:44.54 | Kyusaku | it won't |
| 06:46.27 | newpreowner | lol |
| 06:46.35 | Kyusaku | when you did the install |
| 06:46.46 | sslow_ | rwhitby: ive tested it 3 or 4 different configs if that helps |
| 06:46.49 | Kyusaku | what view did you use for package listing |
| 06:47.05 | newpreowner | hmm it was just the basic view for all |
| 06:47.10 | newpreowner | with the addition signs |
| 06:48.08 | newpreowner | want me to uninstall and start fresh? |
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| 06:49.23 | newpreowner | kyu, should i install all python packages? |
| 06:49.33 | Kyusaku | no |
| 06:49.58 | Kyusaku | you probably only need the core devel stuff |
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| 06:50.19 | Kyusaku | switch to view Full |
| 06:50.22 | newpreowner | lol care to walk me through this? to help me complete the process? |
| 06:50.24 | Kyusaku | if you try reinstalling |
| 06:50.29 | jacques | rwhitby: does this mean I have to re-enable palm catalog feed to test? |
| 06:50.51 | newpreowner | its full view now, and i also hid obsolete pkgs |
| 06:51.07 | Kyusaku | rwhitby, seems to work ok for me |
| 06:51.10 | sslow_ | jacques: you should be able to test w/ palm beta |
| 06:51.20 | jacques | sslow_: thanks |
| 06:51.26 | jacques | I already have that enabled |
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| 06:51.50 | Kyusaku | newpreowner, now just install the packages that match the name, don't bother with anything that sort of matches |
| 06:52.33 | newpreowner | ok one sec lol |
| 06:52.45 | sslow_ | jacques: did the paid apps dissapear? |
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| 06:52.49 | Kyusaku | I'm gonna try this myself |
| 06:54.10 | jacques | sslow_: not sure - I see 34 apps in palm beta, but turning off "only free apps" I still see 34 |
| 06:55.15 | newpreowner | hmm got make patch and git selected |
| 06:55.22 | newpreowner | however dunnno which one for python |
| 06:55.27 | newpreowner | i dont see one for core |
| 06:55.46 | sslow_ | jacques: 34 for me as well! |
| 06:55.46 | Kyusaku | jacques: did you update the feed after you turned on the option? |
| 06:56.13 | Kyusaku | I noticed that the feed needs to be updated for the no pay app option to take affect |
| 06:56.37 | Kyusaku | newpreowner, it should just say python: |
| 06:56.42 | Kyusaku | with a descript |
| 06:56.46 | Kyusaku | about 9megs |
| 06:56.55 | newpreowner | ok downloading now |
| 06:56.58 | jacques | Kyusaku: nope, I will try updating the feeds |
| 06:57.02 | newpreowner | all four pkgs hopefully lol |
| 06:58.14 | jacques | so preware displayed 741 available packages before. I killed and restarted it, and it displays 713 |
| 06:58.29 | newpreowner | alrighty kyu, finished lol |
| 06:58.47 | jacques | that tells me it doesn't require updating the feeds - it's some internal update thing in preware |
| 06:58.57 | rwhitby | it happens on loading |
| 06:59.06 | newpreowner | my desktop has setup, setup log. full, and http folder..i see no icon to launch cyg |
| 06:59.35 | rwhitby | Preware 0.9.25 released |
| 07:00.50 | sslow_ | jacques: w/ on palm beta 34 palm web 74...w/off 34/103 |
| 07:01.33 | jacques | sslow_: it also tells me palm beta feed isn't good for testing this :-) |
| 07:01.56 | newpreowner | this is riduculous, the wiki is insufficient |
| 07:02.11 | jacques | rwhitby: I presume there's no easy way to make the counts change without reloading the feeds ? |
| 07:02.15 | newpreowner | i can follow directions but hell, without supporting information this is useless |
| 07:02.23 | sslow_ | jacques: yeah i m sorry i meant to say palm web |
| 07:02.37 | sslow_ | very late here / very tired |
| 07:02.41 | Kyusaku | newpreowner: I'm going through this give me a few minutes |
| 07:02.47 | jacques | sslow_: np :-D |
| 07:02.58 | newpreowner | thanks kyu |
| 07:03.02 | newpreowner | sorry to be a bother lol |
| 07:04.03 | rwhitby | jacques: we could force a reload. there's no easy way to get the info back after it's been ignored on the load, and storing it for that rare occasion would be a waste of memory. |
| 07:04.52 | Kyusaku | newpreowner, some of the linux instructions are redundant in the case of cygwin |
| 07:05.13 | newpreowner | yeah but my cygwin install is done, i see no laucher for it |
| 07:05.26 | newpreowner | just a folder, and two setup documents lol |
| 07:06.02 | jacques | rwhitby: just make two lists? :-) |
| 07:06.04 | sslow_ | testing w/ the palm app catalog takes forever...lol |
| 07:06.24 | jacques | sslow_: yep, that's why I wanted to avoid that if possible |
| 07:06.39 | rwhitby | jacques: again, two lists would waste memory :-) |
| 07:06.43 | jacques | so what is the palm web feed anyway? some interesting apps in tehre |
| 07:06.55 | sslow_ | i got nothing better to do lol |
| 07:07.03 | rwhitby | jacques: http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1844 |
| 07:08.03 | Kyusaku | newpreowner, there should be a cygwin folder in start>programs |
| 07:08.09 | jacques | rwhitby: thanks for the link |
| 07:08.14 | Kyusaku | which should give you bash command line |
| 07:08.48 | jacques | rwhitby: so make a list of free and a list of paid ... bear in mind I suspects this is some limitation of the API you are fighting |
| 07:09.01 | newpreowner | nada lol |
| 07:09.09 | Kyusaku | then you installed it wrong |
| 07:09.12 | newpreowner | i looked there hoping it would be there |
| 07:09.16 | Kyusaku | because I just installed it on my box |
| 07:09.16 | newpreowner | oh man lol dam |
| 07:09.19 | Kyusaku | and it's there |
| 07:09.36 | newpreowner | welp lemme try again |
| 07:09.39 | Kyusaku | I used all default options in the install as well except for the packages part |
| 07:09.49 | Kyusaku | what version of Windows? |
| 07:09.53 | Kyusaku | I'm running Win7 |
| 07:10.00 | newpreowner | yes win 7 |
| 07:10.16 | Kyusaku | you could just run the cygwin.bat |
| 07:10.22 | Kyusaku | in the installed cygwin folder |
| 07:10.36 | rwhitby | jacques: I could make separate free and paid feeds, but then you'd need to update feeds anyway. |
| 07:11.26 | jacques | so updating feeds "creates" the lists which the app displays? |
| 07:11.27 | newpreowner | installing again |
| 07:11.44 | Kyusaku | ok... |
| 07:11.51 | newpreowner | some guy wanted to charge me 75 |
| 07:11.52 | newpreowner | to do it |
| 07:11.56 | sslow_ | it would be nice if we didnt have to update feeds especially if the app cat feed is on |
| 07:11.57 | rwhitby | jacques: update downloads packages files from the internet. then those packages files are loaded into the app. as they are loaded, paid apps are elided. |
| 07:11.58 | newpreowner | and said it would take 3 hours? |
| 07:12.00 | jacques | you cannot have two lists and either display one or display both merged on the fly ? |
| 07:12.14 | Kyusaku | ridiculous |
| 07:12.34 | newpreowner | lol at that rate i should just buy a used ipod touch |
| 07:12.37 | newpreowner | but i got the pre free lol |
| 07:12.44 | newpreowner | just my friend wiped all his stuff |
| 07:12.50 | jacques | wants a free pre. |
| 07:12.52 | newpreowner | and its square one for activation |
| 07:13.46 | rwhitby | jacques: the use case for this option is really for people who never want to see paid apps. if you just want to sort by price, then just sort by price. |
| 07:14.01 | jacques | rwhitby: so the palm web feed is apps which are distributed over the web and need not be accepted by palm for the app catalog ? |
| 07:14.08 | rwhitby | jacques: yep |
| 07:14.25 | newpreowner | alrighty kyu |
| 07:14.27 | newpreowner | i got it |
| 07:14.34 | newpreowner | icon now popped up on cygwin |
| 07:14.35 | jacques | rwhitby: so can we put preware on there ? |
| 07:14.58 | rwhitby | jacques: self-certification of content rules, automated checking of non-official APIs and com.palm namespace. |
| 07:15.35 | rwhitby | so you cannot put anything on the web feed which is not acceptable in the catalog. |
| 07:15.53 | jacques | oh OK |
| 07:16.02 | newpreowner | im skipping to step 6 |
| 07:16.11 | newpreowner | since ive installed all pkgs |
| 07:16.21 | newpreowner | so i guess i need novacom? |
| 07:16.26 | Kyusaku | hold on |
| 07:16.32 | newpreowner | ok |
| 07:16.53 | Kyusaku | newpreowner, you need to do step 3 |
| 07:17.00 | newpreowner | ok one sec |
| 07:17.04 | jacques | rwhitby: so sometimein the next couple of days I need to outline the SCALE lightning talk - 5 minutes / 20 slides |
| 07:17.39 | rwhitby | awesome |
| 07:17.57 | newpreowner | k kyu done |
| 07:17.59 | sslow_ | im out night all |
| 07:18.08 | jacques | `night sslow_ |
| 07:18.15 | Kyusaku | newpreowner, then do step 7 and 8 |
| 07:18.15 | rwhitby | jacques: let's brainstorm slide by slide: |
| 07:18.18 | rwhitby | 1) Title |
| 07:18.27 | newpreowner | no need for step 6? |
| 07:18.28 | jacques | rwhitby: that would be great! |
| 07:18.31 | rwhitby | 2) Introduction to webOS devices |
| 07:18.39 | rwhitby | 3) Introduction to webOS architecture |
| 07:18.42 | Kyusaku | newpreowner, for now I don't see a reason for it |
| 07:18.48 | rwhitby | 4) Introduction to webOS Internals project |
| 07:18.54 | newpreowner | ok doing 7 and 8 |
| 07:19.16 | Kyusaku | newpreowner, 7 and 8 can be done in the same window you just did step 3 |
| 07:19.27 | newpreowner | ok |
| 07:19.29 | jacques | explain what about webos makes it easy / possible to do live patching |
| 07:19.29 | newpreowner | 8 is done |
| 07:19.41 | Kyusaku | I noticed that cygwin don't do wget for some reason |
| 07:19.45 | newpreowner | though i typed it and it just send me back to meta doctor line didnt seem like something happened |
| 07:19.45 | rwhitby | 5) The problem: how to share modifications to the OS without infringing copyright |
| 07:19.49 | *** join/#webos-internals wodar_ (~wodar@server.sebastian-dingel.de) |
| 07:19.57 | Kyusaku | newpreowner, that's how it works |
| 07:20.00 | Kyusaku | anyways |
| 07:20.03 | rwhitby | 6) Patch to the rescue |
| 07:20.03 | newpreowner | lol k |
| 07:20.12 | jacques | :-) |
| 07:20.19 | rwhitby | 7) Hmm - OTA updates |
| 07:20.59 | newpreowner | ill wait for your recommened steps |
| 07:21.04 | rwhitby | 8) Auto Patch Technology, automated install and deinstall |
| 07:21.07 | newpreowner | btw the pre is plugged in through usb |
| 07:21.12 | rwhitby | 9) Removing everything for each OTA update sucks |
| 07:21.19 | rwhitby | 10) AUPT to the rescue |
| 07:21.20 | Kyusaku | newpreowner, since wget isn't a required package in cygwin(I'll note this in wiki later) you can just download it manually and copy it to that downloads folder in windows |
| 07:21.35 | jacques | half-way there already! |
| 07:21.49 | newpreowner | so complete 9 or no? |
| 07:21.59 | rwhitby | 11) Detailed AUPT technology backgrounder |
| 07:22.05 | Kyusaku | it should be in the main cygwin folder/home/(someusername/meta-doctor/downloads |
| 07:22.17 | rwhitby | 12) Front-end submission form |
| 07:22.33 | rwhitby | 13) Automated (with human review) submission process |
| 07:22.45 | newpreowner | ok so ill skip 9 then? |
| 07:22.56 | newpreowner | i dont believe i have the file |
| 07:22.57 | rwhitby | 14) & 15) Some examples of the most popular patches |
| 07:22.58 | Kyusaku | newpreowner, go to the webos doctor versions page and get the 1.3.5.1 doctor for your pre(I guess sprint right) |
| 07:23.15 | rwhitby | 16) Demo |
| 07:23.27 | rwhitby | 17) Other WebOS Internals awesomeness |
| 07:23.29 | newpreowner | yes ok one sec |
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| 07:23.48 | rwhitby | 18) Where to get more info |
| 07:23.49 | jacques | rwhitby: fantastic |
| 07:23.52 | rwhitby | 19) Donations address |
| 07:23.56 | rwhitby | 20) End |
| 07:24.12 | rwhitby | jacques: that do? |
| 07:24.13 | newpreowner | yikes big one, 207 mb |
| 07:24.23 | newpreowner | downloading now |
| 07:24.28 | jacques | rwhitby: lol that's excellent |
| 07:24.29 | newpreowner | 3 mins to completion |
| 07:24.50 | jacques | rwhitby: "12) Front-end submission form" is dBsooner's thing ? |
| 07:25.00 | rwhitby | jacques: patches.webos-internals.org |
| 07:25.39 | newpreowner | which folder should i put this in after download? |
| 07:25.41 | Kyusaku | newpreowner, isn't the iphone OS image like much bigger? |
| 07:25.44 | newpreowner | im in the cygwin folder now |
| 07:25.59 | Kyusaku | it should be in the main cygwin folder/home/(someusername/meta-doctor/downloads |
| 07:26.00 | newpreowner | hmm well on the iphone its roughly the same size |
| 07:26.13 | Kyusaku | I must be comparing to SDK then |
| 07:27.23 | jacques | rwhitby: I'm thinking for reasons of time and technical level of all the other upscale talks, I'll need to tailor it to a less technical audience than I would like |
| 07:27.37 | jacques | http://www.socallinuxexpo.org/scale8x/special-events/upscale-talks |
| 07:27.40 | newpreowner | iphones jailbreak process 10 sec program so its insane to think palms need all of this |
| 07:27.58 | newpreowner | almost donen dl |
| 07:28.17 | rwhitby | newpreowner: yep, it's insane. maybe the iphone guys can write a better one for us ... |
| 07:28.27 | Kyusaku | newpreowner: jailbreaking has been around for about 2 years? |
| 07:28.39 | Kyusaku | webos has been out for only 8 months |
| 07:28.45 | newpreowner | hmm been around the full 3.5 years the iphone has been out |
| 07:28.50 | jacques | well, except for maybe "IPV6: The light at the end of the tunnel" |
| 07:28.51 | Kyusaku | and tools are slowly in the works |
| 07:29.06 | newpreowner | yeah that is true, i agree with the time line to progress ratio |
| 07:29.25 | rwhitby | Kyusaku: well, the main difference is that meta-doctor does things in a way which does not violate any copyright or subvert any encryption. |
| 07:29.33 | newpreowner | alrighty dl complete, placed in downloads folder |
| 07:29.49 | Kyusaku | rwhitby, I understand that I have no idea how iphone jailbreaking works |
| 07:30.06 | Kyusaku | never owned an iphone |
| 07:30.25 | newpreowner | proceed with steps kyu? or still another step to the dl |
| 07:30.36 | Kyusaku | if you want |
| 07:30.40 | Kyusaku | rename the jar |
| 07:30.50 | newpreowner | to? |
| 07:31.03 | Kyusaku | it's a personal choice |
| 07:31.11 | Kyusaku | not something you have to do |
| 07:31.20 | Kyusaku | look at step 10 description |
| 07:31.26 | newpreowner | k one sec |
| 07:32.27 | Kyusaku | newpreowner, then open Makefile with Wordpad(notepad won't parse the line breaks and cygwin doesn't have gedit) |
| 07:32.39 | newpreowner | ok renamed, just added 1.3.5.1.jar to the end |
| 07:32.49 | Kyusaku | Makefile will be the meta-doctor folder |
| 07:32.55 | newpreowner | ok one sec |
| 07:32.57 | Kyusaku | one level up from downloads |
| 07:34.27 | newpreowner | hmm not finding it |
| 07:34.37 | jacques | rwhitby: what's the best place for me to read about AUPT ? |
| 07:34.43 | newpreowner | did a search |
| 07:34.48 | newpreowner | within cygwin |
| 07:34.54 | newpreowner | none titled makefile |
| 07:34.56 | Kyusaku | what does your meta doctor folder have |
| 07:35.07 | newpreowner | found it |
| 07:35.19 | newpreowner | it is open now |
| 07:35.22 | Kyusaku | ok |
| 07:35.31 | newpreowner | tons of mumbo jumbo |
| 07:35.32 | Kyusaku | scroll down till you see a list of items that = 1 |
| 07:35.52 | Kyusaku | you're gonna have to "uncomment" some of those |
| 07:36.01 | newpreowner | ok scrolling |
| 07:36.27 | newpreowner | to uncomment the bypass activation |
| 07:36.34 | newpreowner | am i removing the #? |
| 07:36.54 | Kyusaku | yes you can also uncomment several other options |
| 07:37.09 | jacques | newpreowner: yes removing the # activates the option |
| 07:37.15 | Kyusaku | like enable_firstuse_wifi, in case you want to make a palm profile later |
| 07:37.31 | newpreowner | hmm for my desired feature i believe bypass activation and wifi is what i want? |
| 07:37.33 | rwhitby | jacques: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Auto-Update_Patch_Technology |
| 07:37.53 | jacques | oops, I didn't know there was a wiki page :-\ |
| 07:38.09 | Kyusaku | newpreowner, also make first use visible |
| 07:38.24 | newpreowner | ok so 3 options right now uncommented |
| 07:38.26 | newpreowner | the first 3 |
| 07:38.37 | xcomp | lol someone just tried to steal my facebook password |
| 07:38.43 | xcomp | like rightnow |
| 07:38.53 | rwhitby | jacques: http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=preware/build.git;a=blob;f=autopatch/postinst and http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=preware/build.git;a=blob;f=autopatch/prerm are the source |
| 07:39.05 | newpreowner | any others recommended? |
| 07:39.12 | Kyusaku | newpreowner, that should be it |
| 07:39.12 | xcomp | the idiot is still trying --- fourth reset request in a minute |
| 07:39.26 | newpreowner | ok saving file |
| 07:39.27 | Kyusaku | newpreowner, anything else isn't very necessary for you |
| 07:39.35 | jacques | rwhitby: great info |
| 07:39.47 | newpreowner | ok saved now, exit document? |
| 07:39.52 | jacques | xcomp: anything you can do about it? |
| 07:40.02 | Kyusaku | yep |
| 07:40.17 | newpreowner | ok done, moving on lol |
| 07:40.23 | xcomp | jacques: no ... all I can do is smh at the emails as they come in |
| 07:40.53 | newpreowner | i still have cygwin up btw |
| 07:41.04 | xcomp | jacques: i guess it doesn't help that I was an early gmail adopter and as such my email address is my first name @gmail.com |
| 07:41.08 | jacques | xcomp: that sucks |
| 07:41.15 | Kyusaku | newpreowner, do step 3 in "Running Meta-Doctor" |
| 07:41.21 | jacques | about ppl trying to steal your account I mean |
| 07:41.36 | Kyusaku | make sure you are in meta-doctor directory in cygwin |
| 07:41.43 | newpreowner | ok one sec doing the spring one, yep still there |
| 07:41.47 | Kyusaku | it should show ~/meta-doctor |
| 07:42.20 | newpreowner | says please download correct version of webosdoctor.jar file |
| 07:42.33 | newpreowner | and move it to downloads that was just created |
| 07:42.38 | newpreowner | error 1? |
| 07:42.50 | Kyusaku | hold |
| 07:42.55 | newpreowner | k |
| 07:43.05 | newpreowner | lemme know if you want me to type the entire text |
| 07:43.20 | newpreowner | i ommited some |
| 07:44.13 | Kyusaku | yeah one sec |
| 07:44.27 | Kyusaku | I know what the problem is |
| 07:44.37 | Kyusaku | but you're gonna run into another problem |
| 07:44.49 | newpreowner | lol |
| 07:44.53 | Kyusaku | gimme a sec to test a solution to problem 2 |
| 07:44.58 | newpreowner | yessir |
| 07:45.13 | Kyusaku | because problem 1 is just renaming the file to what it suggests |
| 07:45.23 | newpreowner | ic |
| 07:46.17 | newpreowner | its funny cause my file is named exactly what it has |
| 07:46.34 | Kyusaku | just try copy and pasting that worked for me |
| 07:46.47 | newpreowner | ok one sec |
| 07:46.59 | Kyusaku | I have to figure out how to install packages from cygwin command shell if that's possible |
| 07:47.45 | newpreowner | did the same, nothing changed as far as file name |
| 07:47.55 | newpreowner | so ill wait on ur command |
| 07:48.06 | Kyusaku | is it in the downloads folder inside meta-doctor? |
| 07:48.27 | newpreowner | yes it is |
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| 07:48.43 | Kyusaku | in cygwin |
| 07:48.48 | Kyusaku | do cd downloads |
| 07:48.51 | Kyusaku | and then type ls |
| 07:48.58 | Kyusaku | c/p me what it says |
| 07:49.11 | newpreowner | ok one sec |
| 07:49.38 | newpreowner | welp in cygwin i typed cd downloads |
| 07:49.45 | newpreowner | just type 1s? |
| 07:49.50 | newpreowner | those two characters? |
| 07:49.53 | Kyusaku | ls |
| 07:49.53 | xcomp | jacques: now the idiot is trying my work email |
| 07:49.58 | Kyusaku | not number 1 |
| 07:50.02 | Kyusaku | l as in larry |
| 07:50.02 | newpreowner | oh lol |
| 07:50.24 | newpreowner | it says webosdoctorp100ewwsprint-1.3.5.1.jar.jar |
| 07:50.27 | newpreowner | jar is twice |
| 07:50.40 | Kyusaku | yeah that's bad |
| 07:50.43 | Kyusaku | go fix it |
| 07:50.46 | Kyusaku | :P |
| 07:50.46 | newpreowner | lol deleted one jar |
| 07:51.09 | Kyusaku | anyone know how to install packages in cygwin post install? |
| 07:51.19 | newpreowner | try meta doctor step 3 again? |
| 07:51.22 | Kyusaku | no |
| 07:51.27 | Kyusaku | give me a few |
| 07:51.27 | newpreowner | ok lol ill wait |
| 07:51.41 | Kyusaku | I need to figure out how to get the unzip package installed in cygwin |
| 07:52.08 | newpreowner | ok |
| 07:52.32 | rwhitby | oh, man, I wonder how many other people following the cygwin instructions are baffled by windows hiding filename extensions ... |
| 07:53.02 | Kyusaku | newpreowner, give me a few minutes trying something |
| 07:53.07 | newpreowner | ok kyu |
| 07:53.31 | newpreowner | and rwhitby, i was just following the wiki verbatum so if it has a step i will process as told lol |
| 07:54.01 | jacques | xcomp: sounds very frustrating :-| |
| 07:54.05 | Kyusaku | rwhitby, I'll update some of the wiki when I get done with this |
| 07:54.44 | rwhitby | Kyusaku: thx |
| 07:55.40 | xcomp | jacques: well, I just hope he doesn't end up causing facebook to lock out my account or something |
| 07:55.48 | Kyusaku | rwhitby, some of the linux commands are redundant or don't work in cygwin and unzip isn't a default package in cygwin |
| 07:55.48 | xcomp | otherwise he's wasting his time |
| 07:56.16 | xcomp | it's actually rather amusing |
| 07:56.39 | Kyusaku | oh and zip isn't there either, nice |
| 07:59.32 | Kyusaku | rwhitby, this is odd, the jar that meta-doctor built is like 57 megs. Is that normal? |
| 08:00.26 | Kyusaku | hmmmm |
| 08:00.29 | Kyusaku | this is odd |
| 08:01.13 | newpreowner | lol |
| 08:01.20 | rwhitby | Kyusaku: it should be roughly the same size as the original |
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| 08:02.13 | Kyusaku | the previous make screwed up the second build |
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| 08:02.17 | Kyusaku | running again |
| 08:03.14 | Kyusaku | ok that seems more like it worked |
| 08:03.27 | Kyusaku | lemme verify the log |
| 08:06.02 | Kyusaku | newpreowner, just give me a few more mins verify the building works |
| 08:06.09 | newpreowner | ok np |
| 08:06.32 | Kyusaku | ok |
| 08:06.33 | Kyusaku | so |
| 08:07.08 | Kyusaku | you're gonna need to run the cygwin installer again(don't delete the cygwin install you're basically gonna install over it) |
| 08:07.19 | Kyusaku | and you need 2 packages |
| 08:07.25 | Kyusaku | zip |
| 08:07.29 | Kyusaku | and unzip |
| 08:07.37 | newpreowner | oh man lol, ok doing it now one moment |
| 08:08.58 | newpreowner | ok its added zip and unzip |
| 08:09.26 | Kyusaku | ok |
| 08:09.40 | newpreowner | at the prompt in cyg now |
| 08:09.45 | Kyusaku | now do the running meta-doctor step 3 |
| 08:10.17 | newpreowner | i typed gedit makefile |
| 08:10.21 | newpreowner | says command not found |
| 08:10.35 | Kyusaku | no |
| 08:10.37 | Kyusaku | step 3 |
| 08:10.44 | Kyusaku | or #3 |
| 08:10.47 | Kyusaku | whatever |
| 08:10.51 | Kyusaku | skip gedit |
| 08:10.57 | Kyusaku | do the make stuff |
| 08:11.02 | newpreowner | ic lol one sec |
| 08:11.09 | newpreowner | do i need to navigate to a folder? |
| 08:11.14 | newpreowner | or just type straight up in cyg |
| 08:11.27 | newpreowner | cause in cyg its on just my computer name |
| 08:11.30 | newpreowner | not a particular folder |
| 08:11.43 | Kyusaku | in meta-doctor folder |
| 08:12.00 | newpreowner | what command to direct it to that folder? |
| 08:12.09 | newpreowner | cd meta-doctor? |
| 08:12.27 | Kyusaku | yes |
| 08:12.47 | newpreowner | wow lucky guess, did the make, now its doing something funky |
| 08:12.50 | newpreowner | lol |
| 08:13.04 | newpreowner | crazy mumbo jump on the screen |
| 08:13.19 | Kyusaku | did you do the make with sprint in it? |
| 08:13.25 | Kyusaku | yeah just leave it |
| 08:13.32 | newpreowner | yeah sprint is in it |
| 08:13.35 | Kyusaku | it should only take like a couple minutes |
| 08:13.44 | newpreowner | now while its doing this, i had a question about the pre being connected |
| 08:13.56 | newpreowner | a few hours ago i tried to homebrew it thinking that was the answer |
| 08:14.18 | newpreowner | and the homebrew prog didn't see my phone, so is that cause for concern? cause win7 says my device is fine |
| 08:14.25 | newpreowner | okk process is done i guess |
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| 08:14.34 | newpreowner | it completed i think |
| 08:14.52 | Kyusaku | your phone isn't in developer mode |
| 08:14.58 | newpreowner | ic |
| 08:15.02 | Kyusaku | anyways |
| 08:15.44 | Kyusaku | in windows check the meta-doctor directory for a build directory |
| 08:16.22 | newpreowner | ok i see it |
| 08:16.43 | Kyusaku | go into build |
| 08:16.52 | newpreowner | ok |
| 08:16.55 | newpreowner | that is a pre folder |
| 08:17.00 | newpreowner | and im now inside that folder |
| 08:17.00 | jmyadagod | what's up guys |
| 08:17.00 | Kyusaku | go in that |
| 08:17.15 | newpreowner | wanna know the size of the jar file? |
| 08:17.16 | Kyusaku | do you see a 200meg file? |
| 08:17.20 | newpreowner | yes its 212 mbs |
| 08:17.27 | Kyusaku | good |
| 08:17.40 | Kyusaku | you have Java 1.6 installed? |
| 08:17.48 | newpreowner | yes i believe so |
| 08:17.57 | Kyusaku | ok then run that 200meg file |
| 08:18.12 | newpreowner | ok it pulled up palm web os |
| 08:18.14 | jmyadagod | I found a bug in new preware...I THINK...... |
| 08:18.30 | Kyusaku | go through the steps |
| 08:18.39 | newpreowner | ok do i need to do anything with the phone? |
| 08:18.47 | Kyusaku | and let me know when you get to the connect your phone |
| 08:18.53 | newpreowner | ok one sec |
| 08:19.01 | newpreowner | its installing novacomd |
| 08:19.05 | Kyusaku | that's good |
| 08:19.54 | newpreowner | still installing novacomd |
| 08:20.03 | jmyadagod | when having app catalog feed turned off and the new option for" free apps only "off also I am getting some xplane apps in preware and I am pretty sure they are from app catalog feed |
| 08:21.08 | Kyusaku | you can change the view to see what feed it's coming from |
| 08:21.10 | newpreowner | still going, it should take this long? |
| 08:21.19 | Kyusaku | it might be from the update feed |
| 08:21.31 | newpreowner | ok kyu done |
| 08:21.32 | Kyusaku | newpreowner, sometimes? |
| 08:21.36 | newpreowner | its connect time |
| 08:21.39 | jmyadagod | yea it's saying palm catalog but I have it "off" |
| 08:21.59 | Kyusaku | when did you turn catalog off |
| 08:22.11 | Kyusaku | newpre: turn off your pre |
| 08:22.21 | jmyadagod | it's been off since we got option |
| 08:22.25 | newpreowner | k one sec |
| 08:22.28 | Kyusaku | newpreowner, turn off your pre, you know how to do that? |
| 08:22.56 | newpreowner | lol yeah got that step down, its off now |
| 08:23.05 | jmyadagod | I updated feeds twice just to make sure |
| 08:23.24 | Kyusaku | newpreowner, hold down the up volume button |
| 08:23.37 | newpreowner | k |
| 08:23.44 | Kyusaku | newpreowner, while holding it down, press the power button |
| 08:23.49 | jmyadagod | imma turn off update feed and try again just to be sure |
| 08:24.10 | newpreowner | usb sign on screen |
| 08:24.15 | newpreowner | still holding |
| 08:24.15 | Kyusaku | newpreowner, it should load your pre into a special USB mode with USB icon on the screen |
| 08:24.17 | newpreowner | lol |
| 08:24.25 | Kyusaku | you can let go of up vol |
| 08:24.37 | newpreowner | ok let go and yes usb on screen |
| 08:24.49 | Kyusaku | newpreowner, now hook pre up to PC |
| 08:24.55 | newpreowner | ok got it |
| 08:25.15 | Kyusaku | is it allowing you to continue |
| 08:25.24 | newpreowner | yes, want me to hit next? |
| 08:25.27 | Kyusaku | yes |
| 08:25.33 | Kyusaku | that should start the doctor |
| 08:25.37 | newpreowner | ok its doing its thing |
| 08:25.40 | Kyusaku | ok |
| 08:25.44 | newpreowner | 6 percent and counting |
| 08:25.51 | Kyusaku | it'll take a bit |
| 08:25.57 | Kyusaku | like 10-15mins |
| 08:26.10 | newpreowner | ok will give u status update ever few mins |
| 08:26.10 | Kyusaku | and might hold on certain percents |
| 08:26.27 | Kyusaku | especially 66% |
| 08:26.45 | newpreowner | lol of course the devils number would scare us all |
| 08:26.46 | Kyusaku | ok now to check this catalog thing jmyadagod is talking about |
| 08:26.55 | jmyadagod | kyusaku when you look at preware apps and go into feed view do you see app catalog update or is it just listed as app catalog? |
| 08:27.58 | jmyadagod | Kyusaku: it's the update feed.......but why isn't it specified "palm catalog update " in feeds view? |
| 08:28.06 | Kyusaku | I see |
| 08:28.32 | Kyusaku | yeah |
| 08:29.14 | Kyusaku | it's something with preware, it truncates that second hyphen and anything after that in the feed title |
| 08:29.24 | jmyadagod | what's the update feed suppossed to be for....apps you have installed? |
| 08:29.33 | Kyusaku | I dunno if that's working as intended for rwhitby |
| 08:29.40 | Kyusaku | but it's been like that for ages |
| 08:29.47 | Kyusaku | not specific to this version |
| 08:29.50 | jmyadagod | oic |
| 08:30.34 | jmyadagod | it's 15th ....update today? |
| 08:31.07 | Kyusaku | I forget the specifics with that particular update feed but I believe it was for developers to get app updates to the catalog quicker than usual |
| 08:31.31 | jmyadagod | o ok |
| 08:31.33 | Kyusaku | jmyadagod, maybe, precentral twitter said there might be a delay |
| 08:31.54 | jmyadagod | heads to twitter lol |
| 08:31.54 | newpreowner | 54% |
| 08:32.04 | Kyusaku | newpreowner, good so far |
| 08:32.10 | newpreowner | ty |
| 08:32.33 | jmyadagod | new pre owner and doctoring already? |
| 08:32.57 | Kyusaku | jmyadagod, he's a non-service owner |
| 08:33.11 | Kyusaku | I just walked him through meta-doctor building |
| 08:33.17 | Kyusaku | via cygwin |
| 08:33.18 | jmyadagod | ooooo |
| 08:33.45 | newpreowner | on the dreaded 66% |
| 08:34.17 | Kyusaku | haha after that it usually goes to either 84% I think or straight to 100%, but it's on there for a bit |
| 08:34.25 | jmyadagod | damn it I wish sprint would get a new palm phone I am itching to use my upgrade!!! |
| 08:34.29 | Kyusaku | it's 80something |
| 08:34.38 | newpreowner | cool |
| 08:35.58 | newpreowner | 74% now |
| 08:36.04 | joshua | I have upgrade credit too. If I could get an upgraded pre for free I might do it |
| 08:36.40 | joshua | I wish it was like sim cards where you could just swap phones too, I would get a pixi to try it out if you could have 2 phones on an account. |
| 08:37.13 | jmyadagod | no pixi for me but 512 mb pre I would use upgrade for |
| 08:37.50 | newpreowner | its done kyu |
| 08:38.07 | jmyadagod | if htc "supersonic "comes out before next sprint palm device I'll probably get that |
| 08:38.21 | Kyusaku | newpreowner, cool it should reboot your phone |
| 08:38.30 | joshua | but if its supersonic how will you hear phonecalls |
| 08:38.32 | newpreowner | yep, rebooting now |
| 08:38.56 | jmyadagod | to late I guess for me to laugh |
| 08:39.03 | jmyadagod | almost 4am here |
| 08:40.02 | newpreowner | kyu it started up to home screen |
| 08:40.07 | newpreowner | it worked perfectly? |
| 08:40.22 | Kyusaku | newpreowner, yep |
| 08:40.26 | Kyusaku | you're all set |
| 08:40.40 | newpreowner | oh man, ty so much lol, saved me 75 bucks |
| 08:40.42 | Kyusaku | imma work on the wiki now |
| 08:40.44 | jmyadagod | so what's that for bad esn phones??? |
| 08:40.53 | newpreowner | sorry to be a bother! |
| 08:41.10 | Kyusaku | newpreowner, no big, you helped build a better wiki |
| 08:41.24 | Kyusaku | jmyadagod, what, the meta doctor? |
| 08:41.47 | jmyadagod | I guess.. whatever process you just had him go thru? |
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| 08:42.17 | newpreowner | lol phew! welp i appreciate being the guinea pig lol |
| 08:42.25 | newpreowner | take care kyu!!! |
| 08:42.44 | Kyusaku | bad esn, out of the country, whatever reason you can't get cell coverage and are stuck with palm profile setup |
| 08:42.50 | Kyusaku | newpreowner, you too |
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| 09:09.56 | Kyusaku | ok made some changes to the meta-doctor wiki about cygwin instructions |
| 09:10.20 | Kyusaku | and updated the package list to work with the linux instructions |
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| 10:36.51 | rwhitby | Kyusaku: thx |
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| 11:15.43 | rwhitby | Interesting: Moblin and Maemo merge: http://meego.com/ |
| 11:18.52 | rys | Hmm, very interesting |
| 11:25.59 | rwhitby | -> #meego |
| 11:27.02 | joshua | /w/w 3 |
| 11:27.06 | joshua | yikes |
| 11:27.07 | raster | rwhitby: wtf. so will it be rpm or deb? :) |
| 11:27.32 | rwhitby | raster: seems rpm based on discussion just happening in #meego |
| 11:28.08 | raster | well that screwes maemo nicely |
| 11:28.49 | raster | unless this is mroe of an umbrella thing to just ensure everyone has the same set of base libs and same versions etc. |
| 11:29.17 | raster | also not aure how moblin +gtk & clutter ppl like the: |
| 11:29.24 | raster | Easy to use, flexible and powerful UI/app development environment based on Qt |
| 11:31.00 | raster | http://meego.com/sites/all/files/users/u6/MeeGo-Arch-FullSize.png |
| 11:31.08 | raster | oooh openedhand must be seething |
| 11:31.20 | raster | look at how its being squeeze into a corner |
| 11:31.25 | raster | ready to disappear |
| 11:31.26 | raster | :) |
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| 13:18.02 | iSmite | need advice- remember yesterday someone said i had a harware problem- well im gonna take it back to the shop today but if i erase my data they wont be able to access the phone to test it |
| 13:18.09 | iSmite | but i dont want them having my palm profile |
| 13:18.38 | iSmite | i bought it from a 3rd party shop not official i have 1 yr warranty |
| 13:23.14 | airmack | iSmite: so they should try out their own ... |
| 13:23.36 | airmack | or create their own profile |
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| 13:36.18 | iSmite | the damn thing just started working again. its intermittent if i get all the way down there and it works they wont exchange it. typical. |
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| 13:48.48 | iSmite | im still getting it play 2 sounds over the top of each other for notifications though |
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| 14:59.20 | VincentLaw | booo zunephone is announced :( |
| 14:59.35 | VincentLaw | I was hoping it'd never exist so I wouldn't want one >.> |
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| 15:07.31 | mdklein | lol |
| 15:09.27 | mdklein | yeah, I came over from winmo, looks like they might actually have a decent product again with 7... be interesting to see if they actually follow through |
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| 15:32.32 | VincentLaw | considering how zune is integrated in it, you can pretty much assume it'll be nigh-impossible to crack open and run homebrew software on it |
| 15:32.44 | VincentLaw | so that's a downside |
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| 16:01.23 | acydlord_alt | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:02.01 | xaiki | or palm with the corrupted contacts db issue ? |
| 16:03.01 | acydlord_alt | i never had my contacts in my palm profile since I actually took the time to read the eula where it mentioned about using your contacts somewhere else because the palm profile wasnt explicitly designed to store contacts |
| 16:04.09 | acydlord_alt | but it was a pretty big fail losing people's palm profiles if they last updated from a newer version of webos and had to revert to an older version |
| 16:05.53 | oil | keeps his contacts local |
| 16:07.20 | acydlord_alt | my contacts are backed up nightly via rsync |
| 16:07.53 | mdklein | I'm not sure I have any custom contacts that aren't on google or facebook :-/ |
| 16:08.11 | acydlord_alt | they also are stored on google till i can find a new cloud service to use since i have lost the moducum of trust i had in google |
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| 17:58.20 | destinal-home | ok, someone has to say it. MeeGo is a stupid name. (maemo sounded much cooler) |
| 17:58.34 | Mousey | agrees |
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| 17:59.38 | mdklein | meego sounds like something a 2 year old would say |
| 17:59.46 | Mousey | tarzan |
| 17:59.51 | iSmite | http://img.skitch.com/20100215-d1367ubk6e1w6eba7p5fxddjrk.png |
| 17:59.55 | iSmite | sad, i know |
| 18:00.04 | Mousey | is more like proof intel feels like they can't compete |
| 18:00.35 | Mousey | iSmite: damn, i totally LOL'd |
| 18:01.27 | iSmite | even a modicum of lol will justify the 10 seconds it took me to make that |
| 18:01.51 | Mousey | that was f'in great |
| 18:02.32 | Mousey | tries -again- to load preawre |
| 18:02.34 | Mousey | preware, even |
| 18:04.55 | destinal-home | well, hopefully we can get more competition against android, especially anything with a fairly standard userland and standard kernel with changes being pushed upstream in a compatible way that everyone can use |
| 18:05.47 | Mousey | it'd be nice to be able to put webOS on other phones/tablets |
| 18:06.08 | VincentLaw | WebOSpad |
| 18:06.08 | Mousey | that's android's true strength.. |
| 18:06.25 | Mousey | Steno, by Palm |
| 18:06.26 | Mousey | ^_6 |
| 18:06.30 | Mousey | augh, my eye!!! |
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| 18:12.04 | pYr0x | hi guys... do you know a app thats similar then ActiveCard |
| 18:15.04 | Rick_work | pYr0x nope |
| 18:15.16 | pYr0x | one more question... |
| 18:15.28 | pYr0x | do you have installed that app? |
| 18:16.12 | Rick_work | pYr0x when you say similar to activecard what are you wanting? |
| 18:16.37 | pYr0x | i have a problem with this app |
| 18:16.45 | pYr0x | if i locked the screen |
| 18:17.04 | pYr0x | the set_interval for refreshing the time wont work |
| 18:20.38 | destinal-home | Mousey: you should be able to put some kind of webos on x86 tablets based on emulator build |
| 18:21.00 | destinal-home | and obviously some ARM ones |
| 18:26.28 | pYr0x | guys... have someone the same problem with the app called ActiveCard. When i locked the screen the clock will not refresh in this time |
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| 18:28.24 | Rick_work | activecard has had a lot of problems since he started. You really need to post this request in the forums on precentral on that app's thread |
| 18:30.05 | pYr0x | yes... but the question i want to know is: i set a time interval, and after i locked the screen the interval will not work |
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| 18:35.24 | egaudet | morning |
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| 18:44.01 | Rick_work | morning |
| 18:44.16 | Rick_work | egaudet or oil, I have a preware question. |
| 18:45.03 | airmack | morning |
| 18:45.36 | Darkmagister | morning ? |
| 18:45.45 | Rick_work | I have two apps which exist in both the app catalog and in precentral's feeds. Both of them say that there is an update, but they do not update. I haven't checked versioning between the app cat and precentral, but do we have any kind of "multiple feed conflict resolution" in preware at this point? |
| 18:47.02 | CTLAdvance | Anyone have a good how to on getting the mobile hotspot up and running |
| 18:47.06 | Rick_work | Darkmagister "IRC Chat time - is defined as it being "morning" wherever you are, whenever you wake up and log into IRC" the term "Morning" is time-zone independent. |
| 18:47.24 | Rick_work | CTLAdvance there's a walk-through on precentral |
| 18:49.09 | Darkmagister | Rick_work: oooooo ok :D |
| 18:50.58 | CTLAdvance | Is that what we are mainly using seeing as mytether is 15 cold? |
| 18:51.19 | CTLAdvance | MyTether was unstable for me in the past so I stopped using it |
| 18:52.36 | egaudet | Rick_work, I'm not sure the status of feed conflict. I believe devs are recommended to use different package id's when going to app catalog. |
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| 18:55.35 | capape | hello |
| 18:58.08 | destinal-home | Rick_work: UGT (universal greeting time) |
| 18:58.28 | capape | I have a problem with preware |
| 18:58.39 | destinal-home | when someone enters = morning, when someone leaves = night :P |
| 19:00.52 | capape | when I try to install new apps I get the following message: App Catalog installation in progress, please try again later. |
| 19:01.19 | capape | Any page about how to solve it? |
| 19:01.55 | capape | Thanks |
| 19:03.06 | capape | I believe that it happened first time after I executed sh "preware-bootstrap" |
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| 19:05.10 | egaudet | I think we have a problem here |
| 19:06.19 | egaudet | Might have to bump all AUPT patches |
| 19:06.43 | tlp | anyone else ever have trouble getting email login settings to save? I keep changing my account username, but it reverts... |
| 19:07.13 | tlp | I do a back gesture, says prefernces are updated, but then it's back to what it was when I check. |
| 19:09.44 | tlp | looks like you have to change both incoming/outgoing or something... that worked. |
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| 19:12.03 | capape | well any ideas about "app catalog installation in progress" in preware? |
| 19:12.44 | Kyusaku | is app catalog open? |
| 19:13.20 | capape | no |
| 19:13.35 | capape | Only preware is launched |
| 19:13.53 | Kyusaku | did you try resetting and/or reopening preware |
| 19:13.57 | capape | I reboot pre, |
| 19:14.49 | capape | I can install apps from app catalog, but not from preware |
| 19:15.21 | capape | I have preware 0.9.24 |
| 19:15.56 | Kyusaku | when did you run the bootstrap? |
| 19:16.18 | capape | saturday morning |
| 19:17.01 | capape | I've tried to run it again |
| 19:17.07 | Kyusaku | can you do it again because there should be a newer version available |
| 19:17.15 | capape | ok |
| 19:17.16 | Kyusaku | as of this morning |
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| 19:19.37 | capape | i'm installing it |
| 19:20.39 | Kyusaku | me too |
| 19:20.41 | SqyArc | egaudet: You've got mail :) |
| 19:20.50 | Kyusaku | just to test if I get same problem |
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| 19:23.04 | capape | i've got the same :( |
| 19:23.45 | destinal-home | wow, re meego, when two *companies* decide that two distributions should merge without first figuring out first whether the open source communities behind them agree, the results may be ugly |
| 19:24.50 | destinal-home | the difference between OSS projects and in-house-developed products |
| 19:26.10 | capape | is possible that package database to be corrupted? |
| 19:26.22 | Kyusaku | hmmm my preware install disappeared |
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| 19:29.19 | CTLAdvance | Does anyone know if we have a patch that allows ics for us devices? |
| 19:29.27 | capape | don't have preware now? |
| 19:29.51 | Kyusaku | yeah rebooting and gonna try running the script again |
| 19:30.16 | egaudet | SqyArc, link me to the .patch file. This is a drag-and-drop QI patch right?\ |
| 19:30.28 | capape | i've got preware 0.9.25 now, but my problem persists |
| 19:31.51 | CTLAdvance | Anyone know if we can get internet connection sharring running? |
| 19:32.16 | Kyusaku | this is really odd preware just won't install now for me. I'll have to try via webOS QI |
| 19:33.07 | capape | me too, kyusaku, perphaps that solve it |
| 19:33.41 | SqyArc | egaudet: Correct, let me find the source file... |
| 19:34.11 | SqyArc | Ah actually |
| 19:34.17 | airmack | CTLAdvance: the bridge device is available so you should be able to do so |
| 19:34.19 | SqyArc | ->pm |
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| 19:37.39 | Kyusaku | capape: no I mean the bootstrap script says it installs preware but it doesn't appear on my device, different issue than yours |
| 19:41.04 | capape | yes, i'm triying to remove and install it |
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| 19:44.22 | CTLAdvance | airmack would that need to be done via console? |
| 19:45.55 | airmack | not sure if there is an app for that |
| 19:46.00 | airmack | so i guess yes |
| 19:46.56 | airmack | if you are using opensshd you could also use it as an socks-proxy |
| 19:47.25 | CTLAdvance | ok thanks for the tip, ill take a look at it in a moment |
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| 20:03.49 | capape | after remove and install preware my problem persists |
| 20:09.08 | Kyusaku | might have to wait for rwhitby then |
| 20:09.39 | Kyusaku | he knows the app best and might know what's causing the issue |
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| 20:11.16 | capape | Ey!! |
| 20:11.23 | capape | I can install!! |
| 20:12.16 | Mousey | yay! |
| 20:12.24 | Mousey | clicks to only show free apps |
| 20:12.29 | airmack | *yeah* |
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| 20:13.38 | capape | I don't know how I solved it, I think the preware reinstall with WOQI |
| 20:16.09 | Mousey | whats the difference between ultramix and megamix?! |
| 20:16.12 | capape | thanks, kyusaku |
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| 20:18.01 | Kyusaku | Megamix ha a phone menu ultramix has just a data menu |
| 20:18.18 | Mousey | ah |
| 20:18.21 | Mousey | sticks with megamix |
| 20:18.35 | Kyusaku | yeah same here |
| 20:18.37 | Mousey | awits hypermix |
| 20:18.39 | Mousey | ^_^ |
| 20:18.47 | destinal-home | ubermix |
| 20:18.55 | Mousey | mondomix! |
| 20:18.58 | egaudet | well AUPT has a completely hideous flaw :( |
| 20:19.08 | destinal-home | egaudet: oh? |
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| 20:19.38 | egaudet | every patch believes it has been changed by OTA on removal so removing patches doesn't actually unapply them :eek: |
| 20:19.49 | Mousey | >_> |
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| 20:20.41 | destinal-home | egaudet: ah, so the fix to the earlier problem had a bug which made things much worse instead |
| 20:20.51 | Kyusaku | Mousey, Also the Ultramix was not made by Jason R |
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| 20:21.22 | egaudet | yea this bug apparently has been in AUPT since the get go |
| 20:21.52 | destinal-home | egaudet: but wouldn't installing then removing a patch be a standard test case kind of thing? |
| 20:21.58 | egaudet | Pretty bad of me to miss such an obvious test case like this |
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| 20:22.09 | destinal-home | oh, ugh |
| 20:22.12 | swisstomcat | heya |
| 20:22.16 | swisstomcat | ping rwhitby |
| 20:22.50 | Kyusaku | a little early for rod, might have to wait |
| 20:23.01 | egaudet | the install logic that says "oh already applied, ok let it go through" masks the bug |
| 20:23.26 | egaudet | I never did a mass-removal and then md5sums check which I should have, I only did mass install, mass update and EPR :( |
| 20:23.31 | mdklein | egaudet: you figure out a fix for it? |
| 20:23.34 | egaudet | yea |
| 20:23.49 | swisstomcat | i'll wait |
| 20:24.11 | Mousey | jabber client anyone? |
| 20:24.16 | egaudet | the biggest problem was using a different macro name. orig_palm_md5sum was recorded and then I checked the md5sums against palm_orig_md5sum |
| 20:24.45 | egaudet | the 2nd flaw was when the package_list file doesn't exist the required md5sums list isn't generated on install. |
| 20:25.24 | egaudet | I'm rebuilding and testing now, and then I'll have to create an emergency file verification package so that all files can be verified as stock or if modified, touched by the correct aupt version |
| 20:26.09 | hucksy | Mousey: internal messanger |
| 20:26.31 | Mousey | hucksy: no supporty for (multiple) jabber accounts |
| 20:26.36 | Mousey | ergo FAIL |
| 20:26.43 | hucksy | sure |
| 20:26.49 | hucksy | gregs messanger plugins |
| 20:26.55 | hucksy | works great |
| 20:26.59 | Mousey | wait |
| 20:27.00 | Mousey | wat? |
| 20:27.07 | hucksy | mom |
| 20:27.26 | hucksy | http://forums.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/205914-messaging-plugins-live-yahoo-icq.html |
| 20:27.38 | Mousey | live/yahoo/icq no jabber? |
| 20:27.44 | Mousey | clicks, and rtfa's |
| 20:28.04 | hucksy | yes, jabber support |
| 20:29.02 | Mousey | hugs hucksy a little too intimately |
| 20:29.07 | Mousey | *GLEE* |
| 20:29.09 | hucksy | ;) |
| 20:29.12 | Mousey | installs with vigor |
| 20:29.14 | Mousey | and vim |
| 20:29.21 | Mousey | since vi doesn't have enough features |
| 20:30.09 | kirbz | egaudet: Sorry bout that, bet you had a quiet evening planned :P |
| 20:30.33 | hucksy | Mousey: you must copy the servert-cert to your pre |
| 20:31.01 | egaudet | fortunately I'm off today and nothing to do so I have time to fix it |
| 20:31.49 | Mousey | hucksy: thanks for the tip |
| 20:31.52 | Mousey | you are my new favorite |
| 20:31.53 | Mousey | ^_^ |
| 20:32.03 | hucksy | *smile* |
| 20:32.29 | destinal-home | hucksy: do the new messaging plugins integrate with contacts, synergy, etc now? |
| 20:33.06 | destinal-home | hucksy: also, why doesn't greg come here any more? |
| 20:33.43 | loot- | haha that just gave me a funny idea |
| 20:34.09 | loot- | synergy2.sourceforge.net on the pre |
| 20:34.12 | loot- | over an stunnel |
| 20:35.06 | hucksy | destinal-home: no problems hier, jabber contacts are working great - there are issues with other IM's-contacts i think |
| 20:35.15 | Mousey | f other IMs |
| 20:35.17 | Mousey | ^_^ |
| 20:35.36 | destinal-home | hucksy: well that's probably because the pre ships with a jabber client :) |
| 20:35.48 | Mousey | calls BS |
| 20:35.59 | destinal-home | hucksy: they call it google talk |
| 20:36.10 | Mousey | and don't wave your googlie hard coded libpidgin at me |
| 20:36.13 | Mousey | stunted is stunted |
| 20:36.13 | destinal-home | hucksy: there's just a hard coded if address contains gmail.com |
| 20:36.20 | hucksy | yep |
| 20:36.23 | hucksy | that sucks |
| 20:36.27 | egaudet | dBsooner, ping |
| 20:36.31 | Mousey | communism, thats what it is |
| 20:36.34 | Mousey | soooooo |
| 20:36.39 | hucksy | hehe |
| 20:36.43 | hucksy | yeah+ |
| 20:36.43 | destinal-home | Mousey: well it's libpurple-adapter but yeah |
| 20:36.43 | Mousey | any chance this would ever become a preware-available patch? |
| 20:36.50 | Mousey | destinal-home: same diff |
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| 20:37.00 | VincentLaw | it's a major system change |
| 20:37.06 | hucksy | Mousey: yep |
| 20:37.06 | VincentLaw | that'd be one crazy patch |
| 20:37.08 | Mousey | so? |
| 20:37.16 | hucksy | thats the plan |
| 20:37.30 | Mousey | tries to hide his growing erection |
| 20:37.35 | hucksy | :D |
| 20:37.50 | egaudet | actually you are right destinal-home, this bug wouldn't have shown before the last "fix" |
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| 20:37.57 | ka6sox | Rodent! |
| 20:38.00 | Mousey | ? |
| 20:38.07 | destinal-home | Mousey: well it's not a patch, it's a patch and a service. you could use patch depends on service |
| 20:38.20 | Mousey | so a service, and a patch then? &_& |
| 20:38.22 | Mousey | ^_^ |
| 20:38.25 | Mousey | stupid fingers |
| 20:38.41 | destinal-home | I have no idea why it wasn't already being maintained in git here and on the webos-internals feed |
| 20:39.10 | Mousey | wtf is with the busted zip files |
| 20:39.27 | destinal-home | hucksy: does greg not like us anymore? :) |
| 20:40.45 | Mousey | daaaaaaaaang |
| 20:40.48 | hucksy | destinal-home: i dont know, i only send him 2 or 3 PM's with some bugsreports depending on the jabberplugin ;) |
| 20:40.50 | Mousey | enough ipks there buddy? |
| 20:43.36 | destinal-home | hucksy: it would be cool if it greg wanted to collabarate on this stuff, I think the community has more to offer than just bug reports |
| 20:44.14 | hucksy | thats true |
| 20:45.35 | airmack | does anybody know where i can get ncurses-5.2-r5 ? |
| 20:47.36 | hucksy | destinal-home: with the next bugreport, i will ask him ;) |
| 20:47.51 | airmack | ah ok found it |
| 20:48.00 | hucksy | no 1.4 for US customers yet? |
| 20:49.02 | Kyusaku | nope |
| 20:49.17 | psykoz | shrugs, "I didn't really believe the 'leaked' photos of 1.4 coming out today." |
| 20:49.35 | Kyusaku | but I haven't seen updates go up this early |
| 20:49.45 | psykoz | Considering most of the version updates have usually been towards the end of the week and at least once during the weekend |
| 20:49.49 | hucksy | what time is it? |
| 20:49.52 | Rick_work | latest rumores say pushed back at least a week. |
| 20:50.25 | psykoz | I've seen the updates hit noon CST which fits along the lines of them arriving at work at 9am and then talking about whether to push or not and pushing at 10am (noon cst) |
| 20:50.41 | Kyusaku | 3:50PM eastern, 12:50PM Pacific |
| 20:50.51 | hucksy | mhkay |
| 20:50.53 | psykoz | So they've been earlier than this before |
| 20:51.21 | Kyusaku | I've normally seen them after 6PM Eastern |
| 20:53.56 | hucksy | after 6PM here too, in 2-3 weeks ;) |
| 20:59.55 | VincentLaw | I'm shocked people actually believed that rumor |
| 21:00.29 | VincentLaw | there's hardly anything to back it up, is there? |
| 21:02.08 | SqyArc_desktop | This is the only evidence: http://www.precentral.net/webos-14-land-feb-15th |
| 21:02.10 | SqyArc_desktop | hardly proof though |
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| 21:02.36 | psykoz | We've also seen sprint publically announce a webOS upgrade available and the date they stated was early by a few days |
| 21:02.51 | psykoz | So even if anyone says it's coming besides Palm at any date, well, it's to not be trusted ;) |
| 21:03.32 | iSmite | godamnit it worked all day now i cant make calls again..this is intermittent, if i take it back odds is they will test it and it will work |
| 21:04.01 | Kyusaku | lol |
| 21:04.50 | mdklein | have the leaked update dates ever been accurate? |
| 21:05.07 | iSmite | ive been pressing refresh since this morning, i don't think its gonna happen |
| 21:05.10 | mdklein | take the leaked date, add a week and a half, and that's generally when I expect it :-p |
| 21:06.01 | iSmite | meanwhile i have a £250 brick i cant make calls from |
| 21:06.31 | hucksy | hm |
| 21:06.43 | SqyArc_desktop | iSmite: It's bricked, but it won't be once 1.4 arrives? |
| 21:06.44 | hucksy | skype? |
| 21:06.46 | hucksy | *run* |
| 21:06.56 | iSmite | its an intermittent brick |
| 21:07.06 | iSmite | i was going to take it back today but it started working again |
| 21:07.07 | Kyusaku | iSmite: have you tried taking it to them before? |
| 21:07.13 | iSmite | no, see above |
| 21:07.28 | Kyusaku | just take it back and explain the situation |
| 21:07.39 | Kyusaku | maybe you'll get a nice rep |
| 21:07.47 | Kyusaku | that would help you out |
| 21:07.53 | iSmite | yeah but if they test it and it works...no i bought it 3rd party 12 month warranty |
| 21:08.13 | Kyusaku | do you have sprint insurance? |
| 21:08.21 | iSmite | lol no im in uk anyway |
| 21:08.25 | Kyusaku | oh |
| 21:08.28 | Kyusaku | you're uk |
| 21:08.31 | Kyusaku | my mistake |
| 21:08.44 | iSmite | im in uk running sprint webos |
| 21:08.50 | iSmite | thought it might be handy |
| 21:08.56 | hucksy | :o |
| 21:09.23 | Kyusaku | does your provider have insurance? |
| 21:09.33 | SqyArc_desktop | iSmite: I was until 5 minutes ago - just doctored to 1.3.5.2 x) |
| 21:10.11 | Kyusaku | worst case you can try calling Palm and see what they say |
| 21:10.17 | hucksy | iSmite: bad idea if you want to take it back ;) |
| 21:11.03 | iSmite | ill just put it back to gsm before i take it back |
| 21:12.20 | Kyusaku | why are you running Sprint version of WebOS? |
| 21:12.27 | SqyArc_desktop | I pay O2 for insurence... works out as about $12 per month. All I can say is my Pre better break sometime soon >_> I don't even have an oreo yet and I'm paying through the nose for replacement devices on-tap |
| 21:12.36 | Kyusaku | is there something wrong with 1.3.5.2 |
| 21:13.03 | iSmite | no, just i heard some gsm users who used the sprint one got yahoo and paid appstore and sooner updates- i didn't. |
| 21:13.25 | hucksy | hehe |
| 21:14.01 | Kyusaku | and you get the same problems if you doctor to your provider's version of webos? |
| 21:14.55 | iSmite | havent done that yet, it was running fine on sprint until yesterday, i got a dropped call and it made this freaky buzzing sound, keyboard stopped working etc |
| 21:15.06 | hucksy | Kyusaku: 1.3.5.2 has the nice bluetooth feature |
| 21:15.07 | Kyusaku | there might be some leftover CDMA stuff that might be conflicting with your GSM radio |
| 21:15.16 | destinal-home | iSmite: well to get the paid app store you first need to create a new palm profile on a device that's activated on sprint |
| 21:15.24 | iSmite | i thought id stay on the sprint one just in case they get the 1.4 first |
| 21:15.26 | Kyusaku | which is why you might be having some trouble with calls |
| 21:15.58 | destinal-home | iSmite: then you can log into it with your sprint-version-running GSM device |
| 21:15.59 | Kyusaku | iSmite: I think you'd have to get 1.4 via doctor |
| 21:16.00 | iSmite | yeah id agree with you if it wasnt for that freaky buzzing it started doing a full week after i put the sprint on it no probs before that |
| 21:16.11 | Kyusaku | as the OTA update might try to flash your radio |
| 21:16.22 | iSmite | i did 1.3.5.1 ota |
| 21:16.28 | iSmite | we'll see anyway |
| 21:16.29 | destinal-home | Kyusaku: the firwmare updaters check before updating |
| 21:16.43 | destinal-home | Kyusaku: that's why you can run the sprint version on a GSM pre at all |
| 21:16.46 | SqyArc_desktop | To be fair, I've been using the Sprint firmware for a few months with no radio problems |
| 21:17.06 | iSmite | sqyarc- did you get any of the sprint features when you did it? |
| 21:17.10 | iSmite | cos i didn |
| 21:17.13 | iSmite | but i know some have |
| 21:17.27 | SqyArc_desktop | iSmite: nah, it was just like an O2 install. Clean |
| 21:17.34 | iSmite | yeah same |
| 21:17.35 | destinal-home | iSmite: you absolutely should have, the sprint customizations are not in webos.tar so it depends how you did it |
| 21:17.35 | SqyArc_desktop | it depends how you install it I think - there are various methods of doing it |
| 21:17.58 | iSmite | yes i wanted to do the 'proper' way but it was too complicated i couldnt understand it |
| 21:18.05 | iSmite | so i just swapped over the tar files |
| 21:18.32 | destinal-home | iSmite: ah, that's why |
| 21:18.50 | iSmite | i tried everything to follow that wiki and other instructions but i couldnt do it |
| 21:19.50 | destinal-home | iSmite: we definitely need an easier metadoctor type tool |
| 21:20.20 | iSmite | yeah.. i mean im not a complete n00b u know i admin an iphone (lol the largest iphone forum in the world :P) but i just cannot follow that wiki |
| 21:20.28 | Kyusaku | speaking of meta-doctor I updated the cygwin instructions for it |
| 21:20.42 | iSmite | if you literally follow step by step it doesnt work it assumes you know stuff already |
| 21:21.13 | iSmite | i wish it had a gui or something, you know, easier to work |
| 21:21.35 | destinal-home | right, a Java gui would be the thing we need |
| 21:21.50 | Kyusaku | there was a few packages missing and some of the Linux instructions aren't possible with cygwin but bow works fine |
| 21:22.05 | Kyusaku | s/bow/now |
| 21:22.25 | destinal-home | ~~~~ |
| 21:22.25 | infobot | ARGH!!! STOP IT destinal-home!!! |
| 21:22.28 | iSmite | yeah if i could do it id have done a proper sprint 1.3.5.1 bypass activation..but i cant. |
| 21:23.09 | destinal-home | iSmite: well still, even running the sprint version you still need a good palm profile to get paid app catalog which can't be made without activated device on sprint AFAIK |
| 21:23.23 | Mousey | JABBER IS TEH WORKIE!! |
| 21:23.26 | destinal-home | somone on such a device could create you a new palm profile though I suppose |
| 21:23.27 | Mousey | except for SSL support |
| 21:23.35 | Mousey | struggles to actually get responses |
| 21:23.44 | iSmite | yeah i could get hold of someone |
| 21:24.32 | destinal-home | it's kind of silly all these different versions and all the different catalogs |
| 21:25.11 | destinal-home | iPhone just has one OS and one app store for everywhere, right? |
| 21:25.20 | Kyusaku | it's probably some legal junk |
| 21:26.05 | Mousey | suddenly i see the value in that other patch |
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| 21:26.20 | iSmite | no destinal |
| 21:26.25 | iSmite | iphone has different app stores |
| 21:26.31 | destinal-home | iSmite: ah, ok |
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| 21:26.39 | iSmite | thats why i have an american itunes account... |
| 21:26.56 | Kyusaku | iphone app store like itunes is regional |
| 21:27.10 | iSmite | the fw is the same everywhere though |
| 21:27.23 | iSmite | aparent from language variations |
| 21:27.32 | destinal-home | the bad part is when palm both declares itself to be the gatekeeper for getting mainstream apps and then also makes it hard to then buy those apps without lots of modifications. IMO. |
| 21:29.13 | destinal-home | if you could easily go buy apps from third party stores like in PalmOS, it would sort itself out |
| 21:29.24 | psykoz | yeah |
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| 21:29.33 | psykoz | the webapps feed still doesn't do it for me |
| 21:29.58 | Kyusaku | they need a more independent "side-loading" system |
| 21:30.02 | Mousey | hmm, removing an account doesn't seem to work |
| 21:30.13 | destinal-home | Mousey: doh |
| 21:30.14 | psykoz | They really need to have a "I want to offer users this app for their phones" directly from your website without their webapps non-appstore feed involved. |
| 21:30.29 | destinal-home | psykoz: problem is then they don't get a cut |
| 21:30.45 | psykoz | destinal-home, they don't get a cut if your app is not on the appstore either though, right? |
| 21:31.14 | psykoz | ie: I pushed an app to the webapps feed, the app is useless unless you have a serial or some other activation mechanism and you directly paypal'd me $20 for it |
| 21:31.16 | destinal-home | psykoz: sure but if everyone had a choice, you might get some serious competition which would cost palm money |
| 21:32.56 | hucksy | Mousey: yeah |
| 21:33.06 | destinal-home | and of course you'd have to deal with users being responsible for their own choices (ie, I download malware which hurts my phone, it's my fault -- like in Windows desktop's and windows mobile phones) |
| 21:33.07 | hucksy | jabber rocks |
| 21:33.09 | Mousey | well it -sorta- works |
| 21:33.32 | psykoz | destinal-home, that's going to happen anyway when flash gets on the phone ;) |
| 21:33.33 | Mousey | i'd rather figure out how to get ssl working |
| 21:35.13 | Mousey | i installed the cert, but it doesn't seem to like my port 5223 |
| 21:35.15 | Mousey | ;_; |
| 21:35.17 | destinal-home | psykoz: heh, flash. well also malware will get in eventually, especially in the rapid release web version thing |
| 21:35.28 | psykoz | nod |
| 21:37.08 | psykoz | So I watched the winmo7 presentation and man I wish MS would have taken advantage of wpf instead of silverlight for the phone |
| 21:37.52 | destinal-home | psykoz: isn't silverlight just a subset of WPF? |
| 21:38.03 | psykoz | a little of it is |
| 21:38.14 | psykoz | more like kissing cousins ;) |
| 21:38.43 | psykoz | But it'd be nice to see them literally extend the winmo7 development directly into the next visual studio IDE and if so that will be sexy, it'll be sexy because it'll be a throwback to what Palm has been trying to highlight with WebOS |
| 21:38.53 | psykoz | that people want a range of easy to complex developer tools |
| 21:38.53 | destinal-home | lol from #meego: <vmlemon_> Next up - WebOS and Bada to merge. Become BadOS(TM). |
| 21:39.13 | Kyusaku | lol |
| 21:40.16 | ka6sox | thats good. |
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| 21:49.56 | swisstomcat | ~seen rwhitby |
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| 21:55.59 | hucksy | Mousey: i think port 5222 works also |
| 21:56.04 | hucksy | but not sure |
| 21:56.34 | Mousey | hucksy: my server did the old 5223 way, i'm upgrading the server software now in hopes i can fix this |
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| 21:56.52 | hucksy | which daemon? |
| 21:57.26 | Mousey | jabber13 |
| 21:57.28 | Mousey | jabber14 |
| 21:57.29 | Mousey | rather |
| 21:57.33 | hucksy | hmkay |
| 21:57.42 | Mousey | its the only one that handles transports |
| 21:57.44 | Mousey | that i know of |
| 21:57.53 | hucksy | ejabberd |
| 21:58.01 | Mousey | probably |
| 21:58.12 | Mousey | but thats a bigger project than just getting this to work atm |
| 21:58.56 | hucksy | this is the one which runs on many big providers here in europe |
| 21:59.04 | hucksy | gmx e.g. |
| 21:59.18 | Mousey | yah, i'm familiar with it, but i don't remember it supporting transports to different IM networks |
| 21:59.29 | Mousey | i ar probably ig'nant |
| 22:00.31 | hucksy | i dont bet my ass on it but i think so ;) |
| 22:01.16 | hucksy | but strange programming language |
| 22:01.17 | hucksy | erlang |
| 22:01.30 | hucksy | never heard before |
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| 22:21.52 | rwhitby | morning |
| 22:23.26 | Kyusaku | hey rod |
| 22:23.53 | rwhitby | Rick_work: "multiple feed conflict resolution" is next on my list to look at, now that the fatal locking solution is released. |
| 22:24.17 | Kyusaku | egaudet was talking about some flaws with AUPT before |
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| 22:25.11 | rwhitby | capape: open the app catalog, and wait for the installs to complete |
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| 22:28.21 | debilater | rwhitby: fishfillets comitted |
| 22:29.36 | rwhitby | debilater: ready for testing feed? |
| 22:29.55 | rwhitby | Kyusaku: yep, I've seen the threads already thanks. |
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| 22:30.42 | debilater | rwhitby: yes |
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| 22:32.05 | rwhitby | debilater: have you put it in the unreleased dir? |
| 22:33.35 | debilater | rwhitby: nope, it's in nonworking |
| 22:35.01 | rwhitby | debilater: if it builds in unreleased, then I can put it in the testing feed |
| 22:36.32 | debilater | rwhitby: so, shall I move it? |
| 22:36.47 | rwhitby | debilater: please |
| 22:38.38 | debilater | rwhitby: done. question: does the script you use, completely build the game or does it just use what I checked in in games/fishfillets.git? |
| 22:39.45 | rwhitby | debilater: the autobuilder simply does what the makefiles tell it to do, no more, no less. |
| 22:41.02 | debilater | rwhitby: so, I I have some patches located in crosscompile/packages/fishfillets/ will it grab them or do I have to put them into build/unreleased/fishfillets/ as well? |
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| 22:41.17 | debilater | s/I I/if I/ |
| 22:42.26 | debilater | ah forget it, I checked in the patched sources, so... |
| 22:43.08 | rwhitby | debilater: crosscompile does not exist on the autobuilder yet |
| 22:44.20 | DrFunk | rwhitby: sup bud |
| 22:45.43 | xcomp | who is committing fish? |
| 22:45.55 | debilater | rwhitby: so where do I have to put patches then? |
| 22:46.01 | debilater | xcomp: me |
| 22:56.46 | debilater | rwhitby: it uses just what I put in games/fishfillets.git to build the package? |
| 22:57.23 | rwhitby | debilater: it just does whatever the makefile in build.git tells it to do |
| 23:01.35 | debilater | rwhitby: I see, but why is there a target to unpack the source in the makefile, if it doesn't compile it? |
| 23:02.34 | rwhitby | debilater: well, for normal webOS apps, the source doesn't need to be compiled. |
| 23:02.43 | rwhitby | debilater: termplugin, for example, does compile. |
| 23:03.00 | rwhitby | debilater: but for all the SDL games so far, the author compiles themselves and puts the binaries in the source repo |
| 23:03.13 | rwhitby | we haven't connected the cross-compile.git and build.git functionality yet. |
| 23:03.22 | debilater | ok |
| 23:03.58 | debilater | so I think I'm done |
| 23:11.48 | destinal-home | rwhitby: yeah, that would be nice so we can ensure we have corresponding code |
| 23:12.08 | destinal-home | (and that it builds for more than just the maintainer |
| 23:12.10 | rwhitby | destinal-home: yep, it's the plan, but not much time to work on it :-) |
| 23:13.32 | rwhitby | destinal-home: if meego use sb2 it should mature it even more quickly |
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| 23:15.50 | destinal-home | rwhitby: definitely. I'm a little (vaguely) nervous about the merge and what it does to maemo, but hoping it works out well |
| 23:17.40 | Kyusaku | ameego :P |
| 23:19.25 | rwhitby | destinal-home: something else I was not aware of: http://www.kroah.com/log/linux/android-kernel-problems.html |
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| 23:23.40 | destinal-home | rwhitby: yeah, that I had heard about |
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| 23:28.04 | zsoc | rwhitby: ping |
| 23:31.07 | rwhitby | zsoc: gu |
| 23:32.29 | zsoc | rwhitby: ha. one i haven't heard :p |
| 23:32.41 | zsoc | rwhitby: i have autobuilder questions |
| 23:33.21 | sampson | where's my 1.4 |
| 23:33.49 | zsoc | rwhitby: are library dependencies shared between the cross-compile.git and the build.git? |
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| 23:44.31 | zsoc | rwhitby: I guess what I'm asking is, how do I get something that's currently building in the widk to build in it's own git, and then use those binaries in the build.git for packaging. |
| 23:44.37 | zsoc | rwhitby: or are we not doing native packaging yet? |
| 23:45.59 | airmack | damn you crosscompiler!! Why don't you want to compile my nethack! |
| 23:47.16 | zsoc | airmack: and error message might help with assistance. |
| 23:48.16 | SqyArc_desktop | Can anyone comment on whether or not I need to set my clock speed back to 500 before I update to 1.4? (changed it to 600 using this method: sed "s/500000/600000/g" LunaSysMgr > newlunasysmgr) |
| 23:48.31 | xcomp | lol |
| 23:48.40 | zsoc | That is excellent lol. |
| 23:48.42 | airmack | ./makedefs: cannot execute binary file |
| 23:48.56 | airmack | that doesn't really help |
| 23:48.57 | zsoc | airmack: tell your host machine to stop trying to compile binaries made for arm ;) |
| 23:49.19 | rwhitby | zsoc: cross-compile.git does not exist on the autobuilder. there is no linkage at the moment. |
| 23:49.20 | zsoc | airmack: i'm not familiar with your package, but there might be something like --disable-tests in your configure... check out those options |
| 23:49.43 | zsoc | rwhitby: so.. the current method is.. just provide the binaries and make a README referring to the widk packages? |
| 23:49.54 | rwhitby | zsoc: unfortunately, until we merge the two, yes. |
| 23:50.10 | xcomp | SqyArc_desktop: i'm pretty sure LunaSysMgr is going to get replaced during the upgrade, but it's a good idea to roll back all changes before updating anyway |
| 23:50.44 | SqyArc_desktop | xcomp: thanks, I'll do that |
| 23:52.10 | zsoc | rwhitby: ok then, I need a repo for my gsmwav decoder pacakge... no idea what to call it or where to put it. I would like to build it as a 'iconless' package. Maybe applications/gsmdec "adds gsmwav support" or similar |
| 23:52.20 | airmack | zsoc: my guess is that the make file is building the utils that are used |
| 23:52.55 | zsoc | airmack: are you using the widk? and can you forward me to your source? |
| 23:53.26 | airmack | no i am not using the |
| 23:54.09 | airmack | widk, argh ... complete sentence are so hard to write |
| 23:54.56 | airmack | i set up a toolchain for arm in gentoo and try to crosscompile with that |
| 23:56.03 | zsoc | airmack: are you using crossdev? |
| 23:56.36 | airmack | yes |
| 23:57.29 | zsoc | airmack: feel free to pastebin the log file of the build. can't promise i can help but i know a little bit about cross-emerging. otherwise i think there's a channel for gentoo toolchains |
| 23:59.25 | airmack | that would be nice |
