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| 00:30.56 | zsoc | annnnddd i'm halfway there |
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| 00:32.18 | zsoc | is having a WHE moment |
| 00:35.44 | zsoc | How would I cp a group of files, keeping relative symlinks? |
| 00:36.08 | zsoc | ie, bin1.so bin1.so.1 and bin1.so.1.4 (latter being the real one, other 2 symlinking down the line) |
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| 00:36.39 | zsoc | or can i not cp symlinks? |
| 00:36.41 | zsoc | or can i not just google this... |
| 00:36.59 | zsoc | ye[p |
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| 00:38.33 | jacques | cp -a ? |
| 00:39.21 | zsoc | jacques: i think it's -P, but turns out i was using scp for it anyway, which doesn't work. even -r just blindly follows the symlinks :P |
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| 00:40.11 | jacques | argh |
| 00:40.24 | zsoc | or i could tar the data |
| 00:40.27 | zsoc | and untar at the other end |
| 00:40.40 | jacques | I was just about to suggest that |
| 00:40.56 | jacques | this is some clever thing where you tar to a pipe and untar out a pipe on the other end |
| 00:41.00 | zsoc | i wonder if there's a command i could pipe into bash to do that... |
| 00:41.01 | zsoc | LOL |
| 00:41.04 | jacques | but I always just make a tarball and xfer it |
| 00:41.16 | zsoc | you owe me a beer :p |
| 00:41.56 | jacques | bud light? |
| 00:42.37 | zsoc | ew :P |
| 00:42.41 | zsoc | god i love linux |
| 00:42.43 | jacques | lol |
| 00:42.55 | zsoc | seriously, this is full of genius |
| 00:43.17 | jacques | which part? |
| 00:43.34 | zsoc | just in general... symlinking... ease of scp and tar from command line |
| 00:43.53 | zsoc | I sware it's 242348 times quicker to tar/scp/untar something from command line than any other method i can imagine |
| 00:44.00 | dick-richardson | I used to cat an mp3 across an ssh tunnel to stdin on mplayer when I had my n900 |
| 00:44.14 | zsoc | dick-richardson: now you're just showing me up with eliteness |
| 00:44.17 | zsoc | did that seriously work? |
| 00:44.28 | tlp | hah |
| 00:44.32 | jacques | sure it just compressed the dynamic range a bit |
| 00:44.35 | zsoc | lol |
| 00:44.37 | jacques | ;-) |
| 00:44.40 | dick-richardson | zsoc: it worked, and I wasn't trying to be l33t - I just love messing around |
| 00:44.41 | zsoc | i am such a n00b |
| 00:45.25 | jacques | heading out from work - back ina bit |
| 00:45.37 | egaudet | btw it is cp -a (which of course does not exist with scp) |
| 00:46.30 | zsoc | egaudet: ty for clarification |
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| 01:05.02 | rwhitby | zsoc: (cd first-dir ; tar cf - .) | (cd second-dir ; tar xvf -) |
| 01:05.14 | ivanst | oooo... |
| 01:05.27 | ivanst | rwhitby++ for elite bash power :-) |
| 01:05.46 | zsoc | rwhitby: excellent |
| 01:05.54 | rwhitby | the second cd can even be an ssh if you want the untar to happen on a remote machinve |
| 01:06.08 | zsoc | i assumed such a beastly command existed :) |
| 01:06.14 | zsoc | we need a version of infobot that tracks karma |
| 01:06.29 | rwhitby | So, the Palm 2G Update .... |
| 01:07.34 | zsoc | seems... necessary? |
| 01:10.47 | rwhitby | I'm just thinking of how they are distributing it. They seems to be doing more and more of update-as-app stuff. |
| 01:10.58 | zsoc | OOohohh, yeah that's a little odd |
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| 01:13.38 | zsoc | Also, I need to build a new typefind plugin, which I'm not thrilled about. It will have to be an updated gst-base hacked with palm's patch included |
| 01:16.46 | zsoc | rwhitby: hmm... so my widk gstreamer/Makefile pulls the source and patch from the opensource.palm.com website... what's the easiest way to edit that patch before application? I would feel odd applying a patch to the patch... can I ditch grabbing the patch from the server and just include an edited version of it locally? like gstreamer/files/ or something? |
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| 01:32.33 | rwhitby | zsoc: apply a second patch after it |
| 01:32.48 | rwhitby | store the second patch in a patches subdir in the widk repo |
| 01:36.22 | zsoc | boggles |
| 01:36.25 | zsoc | ok got it |
| 01:36.55 | zsoc | why in the world would palm implement tagging support for flac and ogg and not typefind support? that doesn't make sense to me |
| 01:38.16 | rwhitby | zsoc: don't patch the patch, just apply a second patch to the source |
| 01:39.05 | zsoc | rwhitby: yes i understand now :) |
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| 01:43.49 | zsoc | hmmm.. i'm so tempted to just remove the ifdefs... but i'm sure that will break something |
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| 01:46.49 | zsoc | rwhitby: at the risk of sounding like an imbecile... it seems instead of actually removing things from this plugin, they just sprinkled some "#ifdef MIME_TYPE_SUPPORTED_FOR_PALM_DOT_FIVE #else #endif"'s.... so does that mean I need to define/set to 1 MIME_TYPE_SUPPORTED_FOR_PALM_DOT_FIVE somewhere in the Makefile? |
| 01:47.15 | tmzt | you need a -D on the CCFLAGS |
| 01:47.24 | zsoc | tmzt: spell it out for me? |
| 01:47.41 | tmzt | make vars don't get passed to cpp |
| 01:48.21 | tmzt | you have to actually put the define on the command line like CCFLAGS="-DMIME_TYPE...l |
| 01:48.24 | tmzt | " |
| 01:48.53 | tmzt | I think it's CCFLAGS it might be CPPFLAGS though |
| 01:49.46 | zsoc | right now the make line is "( cd build/src ; ${SB2} make && ${SB2} make install )" |
| 01:50.12 | jacques | or you could do the #define in the source, but in the make is better |
| 01:50.20 | zsoc | So it would be something like "( cd build/src ; ${SB2} CCFLAGS="-DMIME_TYPE_SUPPORTED_FOR_PALM_DOT_FIVE" make && ${SB2} make install )" |
| 01:50.31 | zsoc | and that wont overwrite other CCFLAGS, just add that one, right? |
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| 01:59.18 | zsoc | rwhitby: cat patches/patchname.patch | patch -d build/src -p0 <-- seem right? |
| 01:59.30 | zsoc | after the other patch applies, of course |
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| 02:01.42 | zsoc | holy crap it works |
| 02:01.43 | zsoc | so far |
| 02:02.21 | darkmagister | hi i have i question .... How i can translate preware ? |
| 02:03.03 | zsoc | darkmagister: what language? |
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| 02:03.36 | darkmagister | italian |
| 02:04.15 | egaudet | zsoc, why cat the patch? |
| 02:04.16 | darkmagister | i dont find any info about it |
| 02:04.26 | egaudet | just use -i <patchfile> |
| 02:05.00 | zsoc | egaudet: oh. well the patch worked my way too :p er, i think, i mean it applied succesfully |
| 02:05.27 | egaudet | it does work your way just -odd- |
| 02:05.28 | zsoc | aannndd broken! http://webos.pastebin.com/d1dec2099 |
| 02:05.48 | zsoc | is my flag causing that? should I be trying to pass it outside of the ${SB2}? |
| 02:06.05 | darkmagister | ... |
| 02:07.11 | zsoc | darkmagister: er.. you could follow the footsteps of others? the commits for french and german support are in the preware git (git.webos-internals.org) |
| 02:07.22 | zsoc | darkmagister: there may be other official ways of doing it, you can hang around for an answer |
| 02:07.58 | egaudet | you can't pass the macro outside of SB2 unless you are running make command outside of SB2 |
| 02:09.00 | zsoc | egaudet: er... i don't want to _disagree_, but i have to pass ldflags outside of it.... is that because ld is running on the host in this case? |
| 02:09.22 | egaudet | what do you mean you have to pass ldflags outside of it? |
| 02:09.36 | darkmagister | ok now i see the git repo ... And start to traslate after maybe i can contact preware programmer to informing of my work |
| 02:09.48 | darkmagister | thanks |
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| 02:11.19 | zsoc | egaudet: ( cd build/src ; LDFLAGS="-Wl,-rpath,/usr/local/lib -L/usr/local/lib" ${SB2} ./configure --prefix=/usr/local --disable-static --disable-dependency-tracking --disable-valgrind --disable-examples ) |
| 02:11.23 | zsoc | that's the only way everything stages properly |
| 02:11.31 | zsoc | anyway, that part works |
| 02:11.54 | zsoc | Any idea why this flag breaks glib genmarshal? i verified again it works without it |
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| 02:13.33 | egaudet | when you set LDFLAGS shouldn't matter, it's just setting in the environment. as for the flag I don't know, check what the macro is pulling in |
| 02:13.41 | egaudet | is it needed in any c files too? |
| 02:13.53 | egaudet | CFLAGS |
| 02:15.24 | Darkmagister | another question i have installed wirc on my pre ... can i open this channel by default? |
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| 02:16.21 | zsoc | Darkmagister: you can set /j #webos-internals as a join command in advanced options |
| 02:16.46 | zsoc | egaudet: i honestly wish i understand c/cc/cxx flags :/ |
| 02:17.27 | zsoc | s/understand/understood |
| 02:17.30 | egaudet | zsoc, they are simply environment variables |
| 02:17.37 | zsoc | i mean the differences between them |
| 02:17.43 | egaudet | as convention, used to define flags to gcc/g++ |
| 02:17.58 | Darkmagister | woooow thanks |
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| 02:18.16 | egaudet | CFLAGS = C, CXXFLAGS = C++ |
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| 02:18.59 | Darkmagister | can you repeat me please the link of git repo ? |
| 02:19.19 | zsoc | egaudet: well there's no C++, so... CFLAGS vs CCFLAGS? |
| 02:19.25 | zsoc | Darkmagister: git.webos-internals.org |
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| 02:20.13 | egaudet | I don't know what CCFLAGS is |
| 02:20.19 | zsoc | ... |
| 02:20.27 | egaudet | i've never seen it used |
| 02:20.30 | zsoc | then why am i defining it and wondering why things are crashing? |
| 02:20.47 | zsoc | i must have got confused because CC= the compiler |
| 02:21.17 | zsoc | <tmzt> you need a -D on the CCFLAGS <--- or i got confused because he said it lol |
| 02:21.18 | Darkmagister | thanks now i go to sleep by see ya |
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| 02:21.29 | egaudet | hehe |
| 02:21.40 | egaudet | yea it's CFLAGS no CCFLAGS |
| 02:22.12 | zsoc | egaudet: thank you for your patience |
| 02:24.33 | zsoc | ugh similar error u.u |
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| 02:25.22 | willwill | cape |
| 02:25.27 | willwill | whoops, wrong chat |
| 02:26.37 | egaudet | u.u |
| 02:26.40 | zsoc | puts on his cape |
| 02:26.51 | zsoc | egaudet: i'm defining this in the source, sue me :p |
| 02:27.21 | egaudet | CFLAGS="-DMACRO" {SB2} make |
| 02:27.28 | PuffTheMagic_ | C = C CC = C++ CXX = C&C++ |
| 02:28.19 | zsoc | egaudet: wait, now you're telling me to define it outside of sb2? |
| 02:28.22 | zsoc | PuffTheMagic_: thank you :) |
| 02:28.34 | bpadalino | i always wanted to have a -DMARCO end up with a #define POLO somewhere |
| 02:29.01 | PuffTheMagic_ | zsoc: CXXFLAGS=${CFLAGS} |
| 02:29.15 | zsoc | -DMARCATION ? :p |
| 02:29.18 | zsoc | PuffTheMagic_: i'm sorry? |
| 02:29.21 | bpadalino | that's a good one too |
| 02:29.27 | zsoc | I feel like there's an answer somewhere in the last 10 lines, but I don't understand any of it |
| 02:29.41 | zsoc | s/any of it/the part with the answer in it/ |
| 02:29.44 | egaudet | I've never seen CCFLAGS though |
| 02:30.05 | zsoc | PuffTheMagic_: there's no C++ in this code, so what difference does it make? |
| 02:30.26 | zsoc | egaudet: and what is this macro you speak of defining? |
| 02:30.34 | egaudet | your macro |
| 02:30.44 | egaudet | whatever macro you wanted to define |
| 02:30.52 | egaudet | (you are defining a preprocessor macro) |
| 02:31.02 | zsoc | egaudet: you just told me not to define it outside of sb2 |
| 02:31.10 | egaudet | doesn't matter it's just an env variable |
| 02:31.17 | egaudet | that will get used by the makefile |
| 02:31.17 | zsoc | oh |
| 02:31.24 | zsoc | well blarney |
| 02:31.24 | egaudet | it's not magic |
| 02:31.30 | zsoc | Yeah I get it now |
| 02:31.36 | zsoc | I tend to get things _after_ they are made obvious :p |
| 02:31.50 | egaudet | it just ends up as gcc -DMACRO -other -options -for -whatever -the -hell -you -need |
| 02:32.42 | zsoc | but when I did it that way, I didn't see -DMACRO in the make output.... |
| 02:33.07 | zsoc | probably because i used CCFLAGS instead of CFLAGS |
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| 02:34.22 | mgaffney | anyone messed with SDL in eclipse? I can't seem to run sdl apps in eclipse but they run fine from the command line. |
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| 02:36.46 | zsoc | egaudet: hm... still not showing up during make.... |
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| 02:37.31 | egaudet | sorry set it in configure |
| 02:37.42 | zsoc | OH |
| 02:37.56 | zsoc | god i'm such a huge idiot, this is all stuff i should know by now |
| 02:38.10 | rwhitby | for anyone who is interested, a completely untested Stella package is in the testing feed. |
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| 02:39.11 | zsoc | rwhitby: oooooo sexy |
| 02:41.16 | rwhitby | oops, forgot the prerm. grab it again if you've already grabbed it |
| 02:42.15 | zsoc | rwhitby: explains the md5 mismatch lol |
| 02:42.26 | rwhitby | hang on a sec, another fix coming |
| 02:42.29 | zsoc | kk |
| 02:42.46 | zsoc | at least we know that check works |
| 02:43.14 | rwhitby | ok, try now |
| 02:44.48 | zsoc | wow |
| 02:45.04 | zsoc | did he make this rom picker? or was it written in sdl? |
| 02:45.29 | rwhitby | dunno, I haven't run it. I just finished the packaging. |
| 02:45.30 | zsoc | and it has a whole directory searcher |
| 02:45.33 | zsoc | this is super sexy |
| 02:45.41 | zsoc | install it :P |
| 02:46.27 | zsoc | settings/options menu is crazy robust |
| 02:46.55 | zsoc | hmm, now i just need a rom lol |
| 02:47.15 | rwhitby | wiki page has some free ones |
| 02:47.40 | zsoc | how ethical |
| 02:48.51 | zsoc | fancy |
| 02:48.55 | zsoc | i approve |
| 02:49.28 | rwhitby | I'll wait for debilator to come online before announcing anything, in case he wants any last-minute tweaks. |
| 02:50.23 | zsoc | hm... i botched the patch |
| 02:51.01 | rwhitby | bbl |
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| 03:12.40 | Thesolonius | cd #vbox |
| 03:12.43 | Thesolonius | lol |
| 03:12.47 | Thesolonius | Everyone |
| 03:12.49 | Thesolonius | announcement |
| 03:12.50 | Thesolonius | ... |
| 03:12.52 | Thesolonius | I am a moron |
| 03:12.54 | Thesolonius | that is all |
| 03:16.12 | zsoc | wooo built |
| 03:17.00 | zsoc | Thesolonius: that was pretty excellent. I've never seen anyone try to cd to another channel before |
| 03:17.16 | Thesolonius | *bow* |
| 03:17.30 | Thesolonius | two beers in and i am the definition of IRC awesome |
| 03:17.36 | Thesolonius | would you even believe I wrote an IRC client? |
| 03:17.55 | zsoc | Thesolonius: no, probably not, but i'm only 1 beer in |
| 03:17.57 | Thesolonius | remarkably, it could never get in a channel |
| 03:18.01 | Thesolonius | still debugging |
| 03:18.02 | zsoc | lol |
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| 03:22.11 | rwhitby | plan9 had an IRC client where you would cd into another channel I expect |
| 03:27.20 | ird | I wrote an IRC bot with PHP once. |
| 03:27.46 | ird | It didn't do much more than join the channel, say hi, bye, and google stuff. |
| 03:29.14 | mgaffney | okay, so I'm trying to use sb2 as a different user than I initally installed it as and it's just saying no target. do I have to do it as that user? |
| 03:29.34 | mgaffney | mgaffney@widk:~$ sb2 -M /srv/preware/cross-compile/staging/mapping-armv7 |
| 03:29.35 | mgaffney | sb2: Error: No target specified and none set as default, aborting. |
| 03:33.32 | zsoc | HEY EVERYBODY |
| 03:33.33 | zsoc | GUESS WHAT |
| 03:33.37 | zsoc | ahem |
| 03:33.39 | mgaffney | WHAT!?!?!? |
| 03:33.39 | zsoc | c'mon, guess |
| 03:33.45 | mgaffney | chicken but? |
| 03:33.49 | zsoc | no :( |
| 03:33.50 | mgaffney | the PDK was leaked |
| 03:33.51 | mgaffney | ? |
| 03:33.56 | zsoc | less interesting :/ |
| 03:34.03 | zsoc | mgaffney: ok, you're making me feel silly now lol |
| 03:34.08 | mgaffney | Food often tastes like chicken? |
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| 03:34.30 | mgaffney | you got your app working? |
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| 03:34.41 | zsoc | I have a FLAC file playing on my Pre right now. indexed by fileindexer, and playing in the standard palm Music Player. |
| 03:34.53 | mgaffney | nice! |
| 03:36.27 | xenoph0be | zsoc: sweiit |
| 03:38.21 | zsoc | next is ogg, then i gotta get it packed up, which _might_ be messy |
| 03:38.44 | xenoph0be | zsoc: was it as easy as dropping in the correct libraries? |
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| 03:39.22 | zsoc | xenoph0be: unfortunately, not even close |
| 03:39.41 | rwhitby | mgaffney: I think you need to sb2-init for each user |
| 03:39.41 | zsoc | xenoph0be: the reason your situation worked, is because format (wav) was already supported and indexable, just needed a new codec |
| 03:39.58 | xenoph0be | zsoc: cant win them all the easy way.. |
| 03:40.04 | zsoc | rwhitby: would you prefer a fileindexer replacement to a bspatch on the fileindexer? |
| 03:40.07 | xenoph0be | thanks again by the way... HUGE help |
| 03:40.40 | rwhitby | zsoc: good question |
| 03:40.47 | mgaffney | sudo /etc/init.d/nfs-kernel-server restart |
| 03:41.11 | mgaffney | /home/widk 192.168.0.0/255.255.0.0(rw,sync,no_subtree_check) |
| 03:41.31 | mgaffney | bah |
| 03:41.34 | Thesolonius | lol |
| 03:41.38 | Thesolonius | GAFFO IS NOOB |
| 03:41.44 | Thesolonius | he was supposed to send that to me |
| 03:41.46 | Thesolonius | everyone hack him now |
| 03:41.48 | mgaffney | please haxor me |
| 03:41.56 | Thesolonius | you will be lolzored |
| 03:42.08 | zsoc | ... |
| 03:42.15 | zsoc | who are you people |
| 03:42.20 | mgaffney | failures |
| 03:42.22 | zsoc | lol |
| 03:42.23 | Thesolonius | complete |
| 03:42.26 | mgaffney | epic! |
| 03:42.32 | Thesolonius | like his mom |
| 03:43.22 | mgaffney | zsoc, working on setting up a shared workspace with my sb2 ubuntu vm and my desktop so I can code on desktop and compile on vm. |
| 03:43.24 | tmzt | bspatch on text files? |
| 03:43.34 | tmzt | mgaffney: why intiscript and not upstart? |
| 03:43.50 | zsoc | tmzt: the fileindexer is a binary? |
| 03:44.16 | zsoc | mgaffney: i see, sounds useful |
| 03:44.35 | mgaffney | tmzt, for some reason the nfs-kernel-server is not under upstart |
| 03:44.40 | mgaffney | get a service not found |
| 03:44.51 | mgaffney | not sure how to list services under upstart :) |
| 03:45.00 | tmzt | right, convert it |
| 03:45.05 | zsoc | just codes in vim on vm, over ssh |
| 03:45.13 | mgaffney | tmzt, I don't really care. it's a one time config |
| 03:45.22 | tmzt | I see |
| 03:45.43 | xenoph0be | im a nanowhore |
| 03:45.44 | xenoph0be | :D |
| 03:46.44 | zsoc | vim is just so.. good |
| 03:47.04 | Thesolonius | emacs, baby |
| 03:47.13 | Thesolonius | it will e your mac for life |
| 03:47.27 | mgaffney | zsoc, I ended up with a set of ssh tunnels onece where it was me > vm, and vm > me > tunnel > tunnel > license server > tunnel > tunnel > me |
| 03:47.53 | mgaffney | so that I could bring up a licsense key server on a clients network to give me a key to compile for vxworks on a vm on my box |
| 03:48.11 | mgaffney | I finished and the guy I was coding with was like WTF did you just create |
| 03:48.41 | mgaffney | tmzt, how do I list services in upstart? |
| 03:48.50 | rick-home | is it a stupid question, to ask how Palm fit an OS update inside an app? |
| 03:49.25 | rick-home | I thought's palm's installer never EVER ran postinst scripts. |
| 03:49.32 | zsoc | mgaffney: 1.) why are you coding with 'a guy' 2.) i'm too many beers to follow that |
| 03:49.39 | Thesolonius | hey hey hey |
| 03:49.42 | Thesolonius | i'm not just A GUY |
| 03:49.45 | Thesolonius | am THE GUY |
| 03:49.53 | zsoc | Thesolonius: what are you two working on ? |
| 03:49.54 | Thesolonius | don't even need pronouns |
| 03:50.08 | rick-home | Thesolonius only if you are the reincarnation of the Monk himself. |
| 03:50.13 | rick-home | Wait, no wrong name. |
| 03:50.14 | mgaffney | zsoc, pair programming |
| 03:50.18 | Thesolonius | ish |
| 03:50.26 | zsoc | Thesolonius: why is it a secret? |
| 03:50.29 | Thesolonius | its more of shaolin drunken pair styles |
| 03:51.41 | tmzt | tick: no, I'm curious too |
| 03:51.51 | tmzt | maybe they drop a file that triggers the update |
| 03:52.47 | tmzt | rick-home: |
| 03:53.29 | jacques | zsoc, what are the specs of the FLAC file, and what's the CPU utilization? |
| 03:54.42 | zsoc | jacques: i just do WHE stuff, i don't know silly things like 'specs' |
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| 03:59.20 | zsoc | rwhitby: so i want to package this up... and I don't want to do it "patch" style. I'm thinking some sort of 'enabling application' with no icon, ala EPR, it needs to stop the old fileindexer, back it up, install the new one, start it (and maybe run it?), install libFLAC.so, install libgstflac.so, install libgsttypefindfunctions.so, and run gst-inspect to register the 2 latter ones. |
| 03:59.31 | rwhitby | rick-home: I'd like to get a copy of that 2G enable app to look at how it is done |
| 04:00.15 | rwhitby | zsoc: so, what will someone do when they have to OTA update? |
| 04:00.35 | mgaffney | what's the best way to scp stuff onto the emulator? |
| 04:00.59 | zsoc | rwhitby: well the .so's will be in the 'safe zone', rpathed (right?), just the fileindexer would have to be reinstalled after ota. |
| 04:01.02 | rwhitby | mgaffney: localhost 5522 |
| 04:01.11 | rwhitby | mgaffney: or add a second host-only vboxnet0 interface |
| 04:01.30 | mgaffney | thanks rwhitby |
| 04:01.50 | rwhitby | zsoc: what about a service which just shut down the Palm fileindexer, and started yours. No patching required. |
| 04:01.57 | rwhitby | it runs once at boot |
| 04:02.14 | rwhitby | s/service/upstart script/ |
| 04:02.22 | zsoc | rwhitby: hmm... that's reasonable, but you would have to do it. I know next to nothing about webos services/upstart scripts |
| 04:02.56 | zsoc | although i have this odd feeling that if you stop the fileindexer it restarts itself (mediaserver does that at least) |
| 04:05.11 | rwhitby | zsoc: that's due to the respawn in /etc/event.d/fileindexer |
| 04:05.38 | xenoph0be | zsoc: did the gsm codec ever get packaged for easy install? |
| 04:05.55 | rwhitby | zsoc: if you actually to /sbin/stop fileindexer, it will stop |
| 04:06.02 | rwhitby | if you kill it, it will restart |
| 04:07.07 | zsoc | xenoph0be: no, because the source was kept on some volitile college site which doesn't exist anymore, so i can't package it till the source resurfaces |
| 04:07.23 | zsoc | rwhitby: got it, ok then, a service is a good idea |
| 04:07.32 | rwhitby | zsoc: so maybe you have an upstart script which waits for the fileindexer service to start, and then stops that service and starts yours |
| 04:07.36 | rick-home | zsoc did you try the wayback machine |
| 04:08.03 | xenoph0be | zsoc: which source? the gstreamer plugins-bad? |
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| 04:08.17 | zsoc | rick-home: er... no.... but then what? we're going to host it ourselves? |
| 04:08.21 | rwhitby | zsoc: have you checked openembedded's source archive? |
| 04:08.22 | zsoc | xenoph0be: no, libgsm |
| 04:08.33 | rick-home | zsoc - why not? What was the original url? |
| 04:08.36 | xenoph0be | ah |
| 04:08.53 | mgaffney | hrm, when I try to run the doom from the command line on the emulator I get |
| 04:08.55 | rick-home | zsoc it's not like it would eat a huge pile of bandwidth, put it on the git server. |
| 04:09.19 | rick-home | mgaffney no one has built wipk for the emulator. It's pre-only |
| 04:09.21 | zsoc | http://user.cs.tu-berlin.de/~jutta/toast.html |
| 04:09.41 | mgaffney | rick-home, aah, is there a way to compile it for the emulator? or is all device atm? |
| 04:09.43 | rwhitby | zsoc: what was the tarball name? |
| 04:10.05 | zsoc | gsm-1.0.13.tar.gz |
| 04:10.11 | zsoc | there's newer versions tho i think |
| 04:10.25 | rwhitby | http://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/nslu2/sources/gsm-1.0.13.tar.gz |
| 04:10.30 | zsoc | ok then |
| 04:10.51 | xenoph0be | http://ftp.aarnet.edu.au/debian/pool/main/libg/libgsm/ |
| 04:10.52 | xenoph0be | :D |
| 04:11.38 | rwhitby | that's why I put all my important stuff on the internet - automatic mirroring |
| 04:11.49 | mgaffney | :) |
| 04:13.39 | Adora | halp halp! |
| 04:14.30 | rwhitby | zsoc: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/wiki/JobEventExpressions |
| 04:14.33 | rwhitby | hey Adora, what's up? |
| 04:14.40 | GuinnessX | anybody know a way to enable developer mode if your touchscreen is dead? |
| 04:15.03 | rwhitby | zsoc: start on started fileindexer. in the script part, do /sbin/stop fileindexer and start your binary |
| 04:15.26 | mgaffney | zsoc, another benefit of the NFS is that all of the build artifacts (eg the executable) are availble on the host's filesystem, moving them to say the pre is easier |
| 04:16.11 | Adora | if you guys had one sentence to tell the world how you feel about webOS, what would you say? |
| 04:16.32 | rick-home | zsoc - my google-fu exceeds yours |
| 04:16.33 | rick-home | http://www.quut.com/gsm/ |
| 04:17.30 | Adora | feedback might get used in v. important project |
| 04:17.32 | mgaffney | dangit, I forget, what's the best way to copy stuff onto the pre? |
| 04:17.43 | xenoph0be | sftp? |
| 04:17.51 | mgaffney | that'd work |
| 04:17.53 | xenoph0be | or usb mode? |
| 04:17.55 | xenoph0be | :D |
| 04:18.10 | Adora | rwhitby: would love to have a quote from you =] |
| 04:18.11 | rick-home | zsoc that's the re-release of the guy who posted the ~ pages a long time ago, he said that after 10 years, his alma-mater noticed he was gone. |
| 04:18.26 | Adora | rick-home: you, too |
| 04:18.56 | GuinnessX | so nobody knows an altternate way to enable developer mode? |
| 04:19.03 | GuinnessX | alternate |
| 04:19.47 | rick-home | Adora, webOS embodies the freedom of the web onto a device. That coupled with Palm's englightened attitude towards the software community provides a comfortable place for developers to grow. |
| 04:19.50 | mgaffney | so the difference between compiling for the emulator and the device is the different architectures? |
| 04:20.03 | rick-home | GuinnessX no way that I know of. |
| 04:20.04 | zsoc | rick-home: thank you |
| 04:20.06 | Adora | rick-home: LOVE IT |
| 04:20.08 | Adora | AMAZING |
| 04:20.26 | rick-home | mgaffney yes, the emulator is x86, the pre is arm7 |
| 04:20.48 | GuinnessX | then is there any way to access the files on a Pre with a dead touchscreen? |
| 04:20.53 | mgaffney | rick-home, is there a way to compile to the emulator like you can to the device with the WIDK? |
| 04:21.07 | zsoc | rick-home: and it's a 'she' btw, not a he |
| 04:21.08 | rick-home | there is a way to get it into usb mode, but that's all |
| 04:21.23 | GuinnessX | that's better than nothing... how? |
| 04:25.03 | GuinnessX | heh |
| 04:25.40 | rick-home | mgaffney no one here has worked on that. |
| 04:26.03 | mgaffney | :) |
| 04:26.20 | mgaffney | so how would you setup a compile enviroment that was segregated from your host environment? |
| 04:26.31 | mgaffney | or would you just compile on the emulator? |
| 04:26.53 | xenoph0be | *yawn* sleep is evil |
| 04:26.55 | xenoph0be | =\ |
| 04:27.09 | rick-home | GuinnessX google-fu again. webOS 1.3.1 brought with it a handy new key combination that enables USB drive mode without having to touch the screen. Simply hook up to your computer with a USB cable and hit Option + Sym + U (for USB) and the Pre will mount as a USB drive. |
| 04:28.11 | rick-home | now, someone here was working on how to mount the cryptofs externally from the usb drive, but I don't remember who. |
| 04:28.19 | GuinnessX | sorry... that wasn't really my question |
| 04:28.28 | GuinnessX | but thankls for the google |
| 04:28.36 | rick-home | GuinnessX what WAS your question then? |
| 04:28.44 | GuinnessX | the first one |
| 04:29.12 | rick-home | how to access the files on the pre with a dead touchscreen. Yeah, and I said, you can get at the USB drive files using the google I just pasted. |
| 04:29.15 | xenoph0be|sleep | [22:18] <GuinnessX> so nobody knows an altternate way to enable developer mode? |
| 04:29.25 | rwhitby | Adora: webOS combines the best features of a Linux-standards-based underlying operating system with a web-standards-based development and run-time environment to produce a platform for development of a wide variety of applications ranging from low-level native linux utilities, to high-speed native 3D games, to interactive on-device javascript applications, to rich clients connected to in-the-cloud web services. |
| 04:29.27 | rick-home | beyond that, if you don't have dev mode on , you're screwed. |
| 04:29.37 | xenoph0be|sleep | ^that one? |
| 04:29.43 | GuinnessX | yeah I know, but then you seemed to get upset that I hadn't googled |
| 04:29.56 | rick-home | no no, I wasn't upset. I was bragging. :-) |
| 04:29.57 | GuinnessX | thanks again |
| 04:30.01 | rwhitby | Adora: that sort of what you're looking for? |
| 04:30.01 | GuinnessX | ah ok |
| 04:30.10 | Adora | rwhitby: that's a very long sentence =] |
| 04:30.10 | rick-home | it's a weakness of mine |
| 04:30.24 | Adora | rwhitby: I'm looking for something more personal |
| 04:30.24 | rick-home | mine is pithier. His is more informative. |
| 04:30.33 | Adora | pithy good, in this case |
| 04:30.52 | rick-home | Adora, let me translate rwhitby's into american for you. |
| 04:31.01 | rwhitby | Adora: ok: "I have 3 webOS devices, I hack on two and use the other as my phone." ;-) |
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| 04:32.06 | rwhitby | Adora: or "webOS is so open that I haven't bothered writing a Mojo app yet, cause I'm too busy hacking at the lower layers." |
| 04:32.27 | rick-home | And in a nation where there is no dealer or carrier for them. :-) |
| 04:35.32 | rick-home | adora what are you wanting these for? |
| 04:36.22 | zsoc|away | rick-home: secret :p |
| 04:36.55 | Adora | rick-home: seekrit awesome project |
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| 04:37.48 | rick-home | well, as long as it's awsome |
| 04:38.20 | destinal-home | rwhitby: not open source but still pretty open for tinkering overall |
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| 04:40.54 | zsoc | destinal-home: got flac working |
| 04:41.14 | destinal-home | GuinnessX: I know of alternative ways to enable developer mode, but they require booting a different linux kernel image over USB (which isn't that hard) -- still interested? |
| 04:42.15 | PuffTheMagic_ | i want that ring tone from that geico commercial |
| 04:42.23 | PuffTheMagic_ | the one about the annoying ring tone |
| 04:42.43 | PuffTheMagic_ | "ringidy ding ding dong" |
| 04:42.44 | lmorchard | Ringedy-ding-ding-dee-dong? |
| 04:42.47 | lmorchard | heh |
| 04:42.48 | PuffTheMagic_ | lol |
| 04:42.53 | PuffTheMagic_ | yeah that one |
| 04:42.59 | lmorchard | Yeah, me too |
| 04:42.59 | PuffTheMagic_ | that would be so great |
| 04:43.10 | destinal-home | http://www.geico.com/about/commercials/music/ringtones ? |
| 04:43.34 | lmorchard | Hah, just googled that and found it :D |
| 04:43.52 | PuffTheMagic_ | lmorchard: link!! |
| 04:44.02 | destinal-home | PuffTheMagic_: I just linked it |
| 04:44.05 | lmorchard | http://www.geico.com/public/ringtones.php?filename=ring_ding.mp3 |
| 04:44.11 | lmorchard | but yeah, see destinal-home |
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| 04:44.41 | PuffTheMagic_ | omg |
| 04:44.46 | PuffTheMagic_ | that just made my day |
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| 04:45.46 | zsoc | destinal-home: whoops, sploded. |
| 04:46.11 | destinal-home | zsoc: lol |
| 04:47.10 | destinal-home | that's hillarious that if you make a "worst" ringtone for a commercial, suddenly people want to actually use it |
| 04:47.34 | rwhitby | Adora: "webOS: it has a great internals" ;-) |
| 04:47.35 | zsoc | is it really surprising? |
| 04:47.39 | lmorchard | Now, what I really want, is webOS running on a Nokia N900. but I'd miss the gesture area. and the lack of space in my pants pocket |
| 04:47.46 | zsoc | rwhitby++ |
| 04:47.57 | Adora | rwhitby: hahahahaah |
| 04:48.12 | zsoc | webOS has WHEs |
| 04:48.51 | destinal-home | PuffTheMagic_: it actually reminds me of that "I'm blackity black and I'm black y'all", which I've actually heard on someone's phone as their ringtone. He was white, but the phone was black, so that's ok I guess |
| 04:50.13 | Adora | lmorchard: that's what she said |
| 04:50.27 | destinal-home | lmao |
| 04:50.32 | zsoc | nice |
| 04:50.40 | lmorchard | Is that a Pixi in our pocket, or is it just cold out? |
| 04:50.55 | lmorchard | er.. your pocket. /facepalm |
| 04:51.21 | rwhitby | Adora: "From homebrew to hot apps, Palm's webOS is a rich, open vista for developers." |
| 04:51.22 | zsoc | I like the idea of collective pockets, like NAS irl |
| 04:51.42 | zsoc | rwhitby: you can't say vista |
| 04:51.43 | lmorchard | distributed pocket hosting in the cloud |
| 04:51.43 | destinal-home | rwhitby: that sounds like a marketing brochure |
| 04:51.45 | egaudet | rwhitby, so webos is windows? |
| 04:51.59 | egaudet | vista |
| 04:52.01 | egaudet | :p |
| 04:52.09 | Adora | rwhitby: sounds like one of our marketroids wrote that one |
| 04:52.10 | zsoc | webME |
| 04:52.19 | lmorchard | vista? hush your mouth |
| 04:52.30 | Adora | zsoc: webME, hahahahah |
| 04:53.08 | destinal-home | "The power of the web in the palm of my hand.." or was that from a Spider-Man movie |
| 04:53.10 | rwhitby | Adora: "webOS: good Linux stuff underneath a pretty interface" |
| 04:53.57 | egaudet | webOS allows you to always have the best software in the palm of your hands |
| 04:54.01 | lmorchard | webOS: The best features of Android, iPhone, and Maemo fit comfy in your pocket |
| 04:54.04 | destinal-home | rwhitby: kind of like OSX? |
| 04:54.19 | destinal-home | if you s/linux/un*x/ |
| 04:54.23 | Adora | rwhitby: getting there =] |
| 04:54.36 | zsoc | rwhitby: definitely need a service. apparently it only works when I start mediaserver manually |
| 04:54.52 | destinal-home | lmorchard: you don't want to treat it like it rips off other phone OS's and that makes it cool, lol |
| 04:55.07 | psykoz | webOS: We let you have root. |
| 04:55.11 | lmorchard | Yeah, that's true |
| 04:55.45 | lmorchard | Been playing a lot with those other three lately, and I'm always thinking "Ugh, if only this thing had {webOS feature}" |
| 04:55.52 | tmzt | it has the best features of all of tbose? |
| 04:56.02 | tmzt | like? |
| 04:56.05 | Adora | psykoz: I wish we could come out and say that better than we do |
| 04:56.29 | zsoc | rwhitby: and I can't see why.. because I can't get a log out of mediaserver without starting it with -l --gst-debug=3 |
| 04:56.42 | lmorchard | Maemo has decent multitasking and Linux, even root. But it's really painful without the webOS gesture area and card view |
| 04:56.51 | tmzt | what's mediaserver? |
| 04:56.58 | Adora | "there's no need to 'break' webOS, Palm gives you total control" |
| 04:57.05 | Adora | etc etc etc |
| 04:57.12 | tmzt | maemo should have card view |
| 04:57.20 | lmorchard | It's *almost* got card view |
| 04:57.21 | zsoc | tmzt: the binary that builds gstreamer pipelines, it's how your phone plays any media |
| 04:57.24 | psykoz | Adora, aye |
| 04:57.27 | tmzt | it's hardware and drivers support it better than webos can |
| 04:57.44 | tmzt | zsoc: hmm |
| 04:57.47 | tmzt | neat trick |
| 04:57.54 | zsoc | trick? heh |
| 04:57.54 | lmorchard | But the user interface wrecks it. the card view on webOS is smooth and the gesture area clinches it |
| 04:57.55 | tmzt | that's something I wish was open |
| 04:57.59 | Adora | psykoz: how bout I put you down for that one? =] |
| 04:58.00 | psykoz | Adora, all my friends who have android phones when I tell them about how truly open webOS is, they immediately are "I wish I would have known this 3 months ago, I wouldn't have bought a Google phone." |
| 04:58.00 | destinal-home | Your phone, that Palm mostly treats like your phone.. well, I think a single click to turn on OTA downloads like android has would be another good step, but almost all the way there. |
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| 04:58.14 | zsoc | tmzt: we can write an oss one with no problem, it's actually quite simple |
| 04:58.20 | tmzt | psykoz: those phones have some plusses though |
| 04:58.24 | bpadalino | everyone i know makes fun of me for having a palm phone |
| 04:58.36 | tmzt | people just prefer the comfort of android and don't take advantage of them |
| 04:58.38 | rwhitby | Adora: "webOS has just the right kinds of openness and flexibility, allowing both homebrew and commercial developers to do amazing things" |
| 04:58.50 | Adora | bpadalino: kick those people in the shins |
| 04:58.51 | bhern | funny story. i went to best buy and asked the guy about smartphones. he told me i wanted the droid "cuz its all open source and free and stuff. you can do anything you want" and that the pre was "more strict like an iphone" |
| 04:58.53 | tmzt | zsoc: like pulse for video? |
| 04:58.54 | psykoz | tmzt, they do, but Android still freezes even with the faster processors. To me it says Google thinks Moore's law is going to fix their OS/ui issues, but it isn't so far. |
| 04:59.04 | bpadalino | Adora: heh, i don't like to get violent about people's cellular preferences |
| 04:59.16 | tmzt | yep, people take 'open source' too seriously |
| 04:59.16 | zsoc | tmzt: sure, or sdlsink for video :p with gl filters :) |
| 04:59.18 | tmzt | and wrongly |
| 04:59.20 | lmorchard | It's funny that a task killer is one of the top apps for android |
| 04:59.30 | psykoz | tmzt, I think Android though has the closest thing to Palm's nice text messaging/im integration |
| 04:59.32 | tmzt | though he was right before the native apps somewhat |
| 04:59.33 | raster | psykoz: just bad design imho of android |
| 04:59.44 | tmzt | you were restricted as long as you remained inside of luna |
| 04:59.49 | raster | ie putting things like task switching and your "status bar" inside the app thats hugh |
| 04:59.51 | raster | hung |
| 05:00.06 | raster | as opposed to doing it more like x11 where all that stuff is out-of-app in a wm and/or compositor |
| 05:00.06 | destinal-home | bhern: Android = more open source webOS = more tweakable without rocket science |
| 05:00.06 | psykoz | Adora, you don't have to credit me for your rewording of what I said, I was mostly being blunt with a little bit of sarcasm ;) |
| 05:00.07 | raster | etc. |
| 05:00.29 | tmzt | psykoz: everybody does, even Palm went with 7x27 in the pixi because luna was too slow on 7x0x |
| 05:00.30 | raster | given the right use of priorities, realtime priorities (sched_fifo) etc. it can all be done properly |
| 05:00.34 | bpadalino | what makes webos a bit nicer is that every time an update comes out, i don't have to worry that i'm losing novaterm/shell access |
| 05:00.34 | psykoz | errhm sarcasm is the wrong word. Arrogant/proud of WebOS |
| 05:00.38 | destinal-home | bhern: oh, and you can actually just edit the apps with a text editor :) |
| 05:00.41 | rwhitby | Adora: "webOS: the only mobile OS that you can patch on the fly while sipping a latte" |
| 05:00.44 | destinal-home | so yeah, that's not iphone |
| 05:00.45 | egaudet | WebOS: 13 letters to freedom |
| 05:01.00 | Adora | psykoz: credit might technically be required...consider it a bonus =] |
| 05:01.18 | psykoz | What exactly are we doing? |
| 05:01.24 | tmzt | raster: android seems to be designed to allow pixmaps to be freed easily, it's the only I could figure |
| 05:01.29 | psykoz | I just kinda butted in the middle of the conversation |
| 05:01.29 | Adora | rwhitby: how 'bout I put you down for "this is *my* phone" |
| 05:01.36 | tmzt | I started to ask romain about it |
| 05:01.46 | raster | tmzt: ??? |
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| 05:01.56 | egaudet | what is even going on here anyway aside from saying really nice things about webos |
| 05:02.08 | tmzt | raster: I mean the lifecycle management |
| 05:02.21 | Adora | egaudet: super seekrit project |
| 05:02.22 | zsoc | egaudet: devs pleasing adora |
| 05:02.39 | tmzt | there has to be a reason for it |
| 05:02.39 | destinal-home | bhern: though android DOES have that ota download option in their control panel.. *hint, hint* |
| 05:02.40 | rwhitby | Adora: the Pre is the best phone since the Treo 650. |
| 05:02.40 | Adora | I wouldn't be bugging you guys with it if it wasn't going to be amazingly awesome |
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| 05:02.42 | edektor | has anybody figured out how to get a vnc client going for the pre? |
| 05:02.43 | zsoc | project: do adora's work for her ;) |
| 05:02.53 | raster | tmzt: how hard is it to free a damned pixmap... |
| 05:02.55 | egaudet | oooh super seekrit! |
| 05:02.59 | raster | i dont get it? |
| 05:03.06 | bpadalino | me neither raster |
| 05:03.06 | Adora | zsoc: my work is to get the voice of the community! |
| 05:03.21 | edektor | not the computer screen on the phone but the pre screen on the computer? |
| 05:03.22 | Adora | (getting engineers to be pithy has proven a bigger challenge than I expected) |
| 05:03.23 | raster | how do u need to desighn for it to be fast? |
| 05:03.23 | zsoc | edektor: you mean besides the vnc client that works already? |
| 05:03.28 | raster | is baffled |
| 05:03.34 | raster | its a bit like saying |
| 05:03.46 | edektor | no like the opposite of what there is now.. |
| 05:03.47 | rwhitby | Adora: I can do engineer or marketroid, but not much in-between. |
| 05:03.49 | raster | ":this os is designed so integer additions are fast!" |
| 05:03.51 | edektor | the other way around |
| 05:03.52 | raster | :) |
| 05:04.02 | zsoc | edektor: why |
| 05:04.11 | tmzt | hmm, I had formed this complete thought in a moemnt of clarity |
| 05:04.33 | raster | unless u are being stupid |
| 05:04.38 | raster | its going to be gfast |
| 05:04.43 | zsoc | adds integers |
| 05:05.03 | edektor | because my app is really audio intensive and it would be easier to just have vnc client of the phone on my desktop while im developing |
| 05:05.13 | egaudet | WebOS is like having the cool parents, you don't have to sneak around |
| 05:05.56 | egaudet | WebOS: Linux, win |
| 05:06.16 | destinal-home | egaudet: well, javascript = win also (though I wouldn't have thought I 'd say it |
| 05:06.34 | psykoz | egaudet, WebOS: Linux, win also says "Android Win" :) |
| 05:06.36 | edektor | I know the iphone dev-team had something similar for demoing unlocks on the desktop |
| 05:06.37 | tmzt | raster: maybe you can find a reason for the lifecycle management then |
| 05:06.41 | raster | makes signs of warding @ destinal-home |
| 05:06.45 | egaudet | WebOS: Linux, standards, win |
| 05:06.53 | raster | tmzt: i am not quite sure of what u speak? |
| 05:06.56 | tmzt | and all the wake locks and surface locking and everything else android does |
| 05:07.06 | destinal-home | raster: webos has some of the easiest customization of stock apps I've ever seen |
| 05:07.16 | raster | well surface locks are needed if u have multiple procs/threads directly scribbling on a surface and sharing it |
| 05:07.19 | raster | part of life |
| 05:07.19 | tmzt | you said apps are responsible for task switching? |
| 05:07.27 | egaudet | Web (javascript) OS (Linux) = Power |
| 05:07.28 | destinal-home | raster: if you don't like the apps it comes with, just tweak them |
| 05:07.38 | acydlord | webos also has the most natural ui i have ever used |
| 05:07.45 | raster | tmzt: hitting "back" button will do nada if app is hung |
| 05:07.50 | raster | for example |
| 05:07.52 | egaudet | destinal-home, how's hidd |
| 05:07.54 | destinal-home | egaudet: unfortunately, the stack is slooooww |
| 05:07.57 | tmzt | oh, that's bad |
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| 05:08.05 | raster | yes |
| 05:08.13 | raster | the notification status bar at the top |
| 05:08.15 | raster | if app is hung |
| 05:08.17 | destinal-home | egaudet: wrt to javascript+linux I mean |
| 05:08.19 | raster | u can click/slide it al u like |
| 05:08.21 | raster | iut will nto react |
| 05:08.27 | raster | as its drawn by the app inside its surface |
| 05:08.30 | tmzt | gnutoo started getting the msm x11 driver to work on OE |
| 05:08.33 | raster | also more bad |
| 05:08.40 | tmzt | but it's not for the chip in the g1 |
| 05:09.05 | tmzt | hmm, didn't know this |
| 05:09.13 | raster | destinal-home: the higher your lang the slower it gets and the less control u can have. i'd rather more control and speed... as compute power isnt exactly abundant on phones. |
| 05:09.15 | raster | :) |
| 05:09.32 | raster | tmzt: thats what i meant.. i think there are fundamental design issues there |
| 05:09.36 | edektor | like this http://www.tuaw.com/2008/09/18/veency-vnc-server-for-iphone/ |
| 05:09.37 | destinal-home | raster: yeah, you have a point |
| 05:09.39 | raster | this is where the x11 way is rather good |
| 05:09.47 | tmzt | this game is getting old |
| 05:09.52 | raster | u ensure wm and/or compositor are solid and reliable |
| 05:09.58 | raster | well xserver too |
| 05:09.59 | tmzt | destinal was describing the Palm hidd today |
| 05:10.05 | raster | and then u make things like back handled by the wm |
| 05:10.20 | raster | things like status bar a separate process to app |
| 05:10.21 | destinal-home | edektor: we should be able to do a vnc server with hidd plugins + framebuffer capture |
| 05:10.23 | tmzt | another solution to the input ptobelm |
| 05:10.27 | tmzt | problem |
| 05:10.38 | raster | consider apps buggy that may and will screw up (not intentionally just they get badly wirtten and block/hang) |
| 05:10.48 | raster | then u can happily just hide the app |
| 05:10.53 | edektor | destinal-home: would there be a vnc server in ipkg-opt i could install? |
| 05:10.54 | raster | or go to another and come back when its un-hung |
| 05:10.59 | tmzt | destinal-home: how is uinput not easier? |
| 05:11.05 | destinal-home | edektor: no, nobody's written any such thing |
| 05:11.27 | tmzt | I also asked about the best approach to take for an Xluna |
| 05:11.47 | tmzt | the X people showed me the sdl code that just got removed from X |
| 05:12.33 | destinal-home | tmzt: uh, uinput isn't used by the palm stack to my knowledge. they have hidd with plugins talking to character devices which read GPIO pins etc |
| 05:12.44 | tmzt | I'm also leanring there's some weird architecture in X where input is tied to ddx, certain composite methods and other things like Xcalibrate only work with some ddx's and other things |
| 05:13.00 | tmzt | hmm, not linux input devices? |
| 05:13.07 | destinal-home | nope |
| 05:13.47 | tmzt | so I would say X on embedded would be awesome but needs a lot of work, if it never runs cleanly on something with g1's class there's a problem |
| 05:13.48 | destinal-home | this is why I want to be able to write hidd plugins |
| 05:13.54 | tmzt | yet it runs on gta0x??? |
| 05:14.17 | raster | tmzt: it runs on things significantly better clas than the pre. |
| 05:14.19 | raster | so it does work |
| 05:14.20 | raster | full xorg |
| 05:14.30 | raster | with multitouch even |
| 05:15.01 | destinal-home | well, running on better stuff than pre doesn't say it can run on pre (though I don't doubt it can) |
| 05:15.34 | raster | it can |
| 05:15.48 | raster | as tmzt said.. it runs on a gta01/02 |
| 05:15.50 | farms | are you guys talking about g buzz |
| 05:15.53 | raster | which is miles behind a pre |
| 05:16.05 | tmzt | Pre Plus :) |
| 05:16.06 | raster | so far that its far over the horizon and out of sight |
| 05:16.14 | edektor | destinal-home: so you would use something like libvncserver_0.9.1-2_arm.ipk |
| 05:16.34 | tmzt | but why we should need 512mb for something that used to run nicely in 4mb I don't know |
| 05:16.52 | farms | I've got the plus :) |
| 05:17.11 | egaudet | well hidd plugins use linux input devices |
| 05:17.13 | destinal-home | edektor: there's significant development involved to tie the vnc server code into luna |
| 05:17.25 | tmzt | if they use linux input uinput should work |
| 05:17.39 | tmzt | but probably won't enumerate so you still need a plugin |
| 05:17.46 | destinal-home | not uinput unless you mean on the emulator |
| 05:17.55 | tmzt | why? |
| 05:18.20 | egaudet | I did a quick POC a long time ago with uinput |
| 05:18.31 | egaudet | to inject keyboard keys |
| 05:18.48 | destinal-home | egaudet: hmmm, on a pre? |
| 05:18.52 | egaudet | but it was ugly and device specific way to cram it in there |
| 05:19.14 | egaudet | destinal-home, yeah, you convinced me hidd was the path to go back then |
| 05:19.24 | tmzt | I see |
| 05:19.33 | tmzt | you have the abi now so it shouldn't be hard |
| 05:19.38 | destinal-home | egaudet: I was sure the GPIO keyboard pins were never connected to anything so standard. |
| 05:19.49 | destinal-home | but at any rate, yeah, it can be device specific |
| 05:20.00 | tmzt | gpio keyboard? |
| 05:20.13 | egaudet | destinal-home, nope I'm pretty sure they are connected right to the standard linux input subsystem |
| 05:20.38 | egaudet | I remember reading the kernel patch code of it. |
| 05:20.43 | tmzt | cat /sys/class/input/unput*/name |
| 05:21.01 | tmzt | cat /sys/class/input/input*/name |
| 05:21.04 | egaudet | I also used uinput and made it go to as input0 which hidkeypad was using |
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| 05:21.20 | egaudet | I also used uinput and made it go to as input0 which hidkeypad was using and saw mojo keystrokes from my c dummy test program |
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| 05:26.30 | Thesolonius | hey, i'm trying to scp a file to my pre |
| 05:26.34 | Thesolonius | what' s the port? |
| 05:26.40 | Thesolonius | i keep getting conn refused on my ip |
| 05:26.45 | Thesolonius | but I'm ssh'd in on port 222 |
| 05:27.08 | Thesolonius | okay |
| 05:27.09 | destinal-home | egaudet: well,that should prove it. I still think hidd is the right way to interface (both as a device and as software needing UI from devices) though |
| 05:27.10 | Thesolonius | i'm a dumbass |
| 05:27.13 | destinal-home | -P |
| 05:27.16 | Thesolonius | and gaffney just kicked my ass |
| 05:27.19 | Thesolonius | yes |
| 05:27.21 | Thesolonius | i r dum |
| 05:27.22 | Thesolonius | again |
| 05:27.31 | destinal-home | heh, no worries |
| 05:27.44 | destinal-home | it's annoying that it's -p for ssh and -P for scp |
| 05:27.52 | mgaffney | heyo, how do I find the compile flags for GLES? |
| 05:28.25 | destinal-home | Thesolonius: I changed my port on the pre to 22, and so don't need to mess with that now |
| 05:28.41 | Thesolonius | oooh |
| 05:28.43 | Thesolonius | very cool |
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| 05:29.08 | destinal-home | just find the upstart script in /etc/event.d with 222 in it and replace all instances of 222 with 22 |
| 05:32.09 | egaudet | you're still using dropbear? |
| 05:32.36 | rwhitby | destinal-home: or just install it from Preware ;-) |
| 05:33.20 | destinal-home | rwhitby: oh, the one in preware uses 22 now? I'm so out of touch (still manually running the optware bootstrap for all that stuff) |
| 05:33.28 | destinal-home | :P |
| 05:33.43 | rwhitby | destinal-home: preware packages use port 22, ssh keys, wifi, by default. |
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| 05:35.02 | destinal-home | egaudet: optware has a smaller memory footprint. if you haven't noticed, memory is precious on pre :) (then again, an ssh server can spend most of its time swapped out I suppose) |
| 05:35.11 | destinal-home | s/optware/dropbear/ |
| 05:35.32 | destinal-home | problem with brain keyboard interface |
| 05:35.45 | egaudet | yea and the leaving an ssh-agent open everytime swipe a terminal away can't help |
| 05:36.04 | destinal-home | egaudet: touché |
| 05:36.40 | egaudet | terminus and terminal both do it, and I don't know where the correct place to fix it is |
| 05:36.53 | egaudet | then again haven't looked into it and have taken your "exit" advice :P |
| 05:37.15 | rwhitby | destinal-home: these days I recommend running the preware-bootstrap script, then installing the OpenSSH SFTP Server from Preware's optware section. If you used meta-doctor, then your keys will already be on the device. |
| 05:37.19 | destinal-home | egaudet: what causes ssh-agent to be immune to the cascade kills it should be receiving? |
| 05:37.26 | rwhitby | egaudet: that's been removed from the latest version |
| 05:38.39 | egaudet | oh I didn't realize that rwhitby |
| 05:39.03 | egaudet | i fear the day I use the regular doctor again |
| 05:39.25 | egaudet | because I know for sure that it might take me hours to realize dev mode has to be manually turned on :P |
| 05:39.30 | rwhitby | egaudet: the profile.d script has been removed |
| 05:39.43 | rwhitby | egaudet: yeah, that's bitten me more than once |
| 05:40.11 | mgaffney | is there a good way to figure out what options I need to gcc to pull in glu.h or gl.h? |
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| 05:43.02 | cryptk|work | Hola WHE's and WHE-ettes |
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| 05:44.31 | rwhitby | Is there anyone for which http://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=com.palm.update2g-pre actually works on their Pre? |
| 05:44.45 | rwhitby | We need to know how it works. |
| 05:46.15 | rwhitby | I get "This application cannot run on your current operating system. Use the Updates app to install the system update and try again." |
| 05:47.25 | Kyusaku | on 1.3.1? |
| 05:47.34 | jacques | rwhitby, didn't it say it was only for 1.3.1 and 1.3.2 ? |
| 05:47.58 | Kyusaku | it's not even for pre though, more for pixi really |
| 05:48.19 | Kyusaku | surprised it took them so long to make that |
| 05:48.29 | Thesolonius | hey hey |
| 05:48.29 | rwhitby | jacques: it says that it should only be run on 1.3.1 or 1.3.2, but I wasn't aware that Palm could mark a "highest webOS version" on an app, as opposed to a minimum webOS version. |
| 05:48.39 | Thesolonius | so I'm trying to follow the instructions to compile doom |
| 05:48.46 | Thesolonius | and I'm running into a different kinda error |
| 05:48.47 | rwhitby | Kyusaku: there are separate versions for Pre and Pixi |
| 05:49.02 | Thesolonius | Error: $_TextureNumForName: SW1BLUE not found |
| 05:49.09 | Thesolonius | $ == R |
| 05:49.22 | Thesolonius | anyone familiar? |
| 05:49.44 | Kyusaku | interesting that they made a pre version |
| 05:49.50 | destinal-home | Thesolonius: probably the right WAD file isn't there |
| 05:50.00 | Thesolonius | omfg |
| 05:50.10 | Thesolonius | I just read the EXACT same thing from google |
| 05:50.16 | Thesolonius | shame on me for not googling first |
| 05:50.18 | Thesolonius | I am so sorry |
| 05:50.35 | rwhitby | Kyusaku: why? GSM Pre uses 2G. |
| 05:51.01 | Kyusaku | rwhitby: but still has wifi to get OTA updates |
| 05:51.18 | rwhitby | Kyusaku: but some people don't have wifi |
| 05:51.49 | jhojho | hmm I just had an idea retranslations. feed the strings.json to the google translate api |
| 05:52.07 | jhojho | would be good enough for a first pass. |
| 05:54.01 | Thesolonius | have you guys seen could not initialize sdl, as an error when running doom? |
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| 05:55.13 | Thesolonius | also, unable to open /dev/fb1 |
| 05:55.47 | destinal-home | Thesolonius: what version of webos are you running |
| 05:55.56 | destinal-home | Thesolonius: and what device? (pre, pixi, emulator?) |
| 05:56.00 | Thesolonius | pre |
| 05:56.08 | Thesolonius | oh christ, I dunno the version |
| 05:56.11 | Thesolonius | most recent, i belive |
| 05:56.28 | destinal-home | Thesolonius: did you ever install mytether? |
| 05:56.34 | Thesolonius | yes |
| 05:56.35 | destinal-home | that breaks SDL stuff |
| 05:56.37 | Thesolonius | in fact I did |
| 05:56.38 | Thesolonius | oh shit |
| 05:56.43 | Thesolonius | I ran the installer |
| 05:56.47 | Thesolonius | uninstalle |
| 05:56.51 | Thesolonius | what do I do to remove it? |
| 05:56.56 | destinal-home | well I think it's only if the wifi kernel module is enabled that it happens |
| 05:57.20 | Thesolonius | so, turn off wifi and rerun? |
| 05:57.24 | destinal-home | so if mytether is installed but the wifi module is disabled (which I think is an option) it goes away |
| 05:57.33 | Thesolonius | hrmm |
| 05:57.34 | destinal-home | not wifi on the pre but the mytether wifi hack |
| 05:57.38 | Thesolonius | kk |
| 05:57.42 | Thesolonius | i think that was off |
| 05:57.45 | Thesolonius | when I uninstalled |
| 05:57.58 | Thesolonius | fortunately, I think I left the scripts on the device |
| 05:59.33 | Thesolonius | no small amount of irony that I had to order a new pre today on account of my screen going out |
| 06:00.38 | Thesolonius | well crap |
| 06:00.46 | Thesolonius | how do I undo the mytether stuff? |
| 06:00.53 | Thesolonius | or do I just wait for my new pre to arrive? |
| 06:00.54 | rwhitby | full erase and doctor |
| 06:01.00 | Thesolonius | hrmm |
| 06:01.01 | Thesolonius | kk |
| 06:01.10 | Thesolonius | if I have a backup of my app data can I preserve it? |
| 06:01.43 | Thesolonius | jeebus, what do I care? i've got like 3 things on there |
| 06:04.34 | Thesolonius | goddamn, why can't a guy just install illicit software on his phone and have everything work? |
| 06:04.42 | destinal-home | Thesolonius: lol |
| 06:05.24 | destinal-home | I hear the new version have lots less fallout (but I still hope we can have a good open solution so people don't need it) |
| 06:05.26 | Thesolonius | 20 minutes for webos doctor to download? that might call for shots |
| 06:05.42 | destinal-home | Thesolonius: wow.. 3 minutes on my home broadband |
| 06:05.51 | Thesolonius | yea, I'm at a bar |
| 06:06.14 | rwhitby | destinal-home: yeah, I managed to get the MyTether author to change the install script to use best practices. |
| 06:06.17 | Thesolonius | on my home network I can shotgun the work wireless (yes, I live within 2 blocks of work, and yes, I am often late to work) |
| 06:06.58 | *** join/#webos-internals Decimate (hax-da-hax@d192-24-56-160.try.wideopenwest.com) |
| 06:07.08 | Decimate | ive been patch free for like.. 2 days or something |
| 06:07.10 | destinal-home | rwhitby: I always wonder how to feel since we basically defined best practices for pre (then again a lot of what we decided we based on what palm chose) |
| 06:07.10 | Decimate | maybe 3 |
| 06:07.18 | Decimate | either way, this is crazy |
| 06:08.13 | rwhitby | destinal-home: how else would you feel other than proud? |
| 06:08.32 | destinal-home | rwhitby: good point. I think the track record shows we did pretty well :) |
| 06:08.39 | *** part/#webos-internals pjr (~wIRCer@74.103.157.191) |
| 06:09.03 | Thesolonius | rwhitby: Did you ever get him to use kill right? |
| 06:09.34 | rwhitby | Thesolonius: ? |
| 06:09.43 | Thesolonius | I had to post back instructions to modify his apple script cause he was misusing kill from it |
| 06:09.52 | Thesolonius | or there was an effin huge PEBKAK error |
| 06:09.52 | destinal-home | ouch |
| 06:10.49 | destinal-home | I guess I would be more forgiving for something he was just giving away, but for what mytether sells for, quality control is, I think, expected |
| 06:11.04 | Thesolonius | yea, i paid the 15 bucks |
| 06:11.11 | Thesolonius | no that I'm complaining |
| 06:11.19 | Thesolonius | i have gotten huge amounts of use out of it |
| 06:11.45 | Thesolonius | well over the 15 bucks worth by a couple orders of magnitude in billable hours |
| 06:14.35 | Thesolonius | so, you guys have been remarkably helpful tonight |
| 06:14.37 | Thesolonius | thanks to all |
| 06:15.01 | destinal-home | Thesolonius: you're welcome, hopefully post doctor everything goes smoothly |
| 06:15.29 | Thesolonius | :-D |
| 06:15.56 | destinal-home | I'm really happy people are getting some good use out of that article on building, packaging, installing stuff |
| 06:17.07 | destinal-home | hopefully in the near future palm's SDK recognizes type: game which eliminates the need for my game-fix script |
| 06:19.14 | Thesolonius | OMG LOL, mgaffney is swaying to a karaoke version of piano man!!! |
| 06:19.17 | Thesolonius | everyone laugh at him! |
| 06:19.37 | mgaffney | you're embarrasing yourself |
| 06:19.41 | mgaffney | mr piano man |
| 06:19.48 | Thesolonius | gaffo says what? |
| 06:20.05 | Thesolonius | *pwned* |
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| 06:23.15 | mgaffney | you realize I can just punch you in the kidney |
| 06:23.50 | rwhitby | renames channel to #the-odd-couple |
| 06:24.06 | destinal-home | Thesolonius: heh, you guys are logged in from the same bar? |
| 06:24.37 | Thesolonius | yessir |
| 06:24.37 | rwhitby | I suspect they are married or dating. |
| 06:24.39 | Thesolonius | hey hey, gaffo, are we dating? |
| 06:24.43 | Thesolonius | and did you tell nicole? |
| 06:24.46 | Thesolonius | cause she'd be pissed |
| 06:24.54 | Thesolonius | so would carrie |
| 06:25.30 | mgaffney | yeah, they're both short tho, so I can fend em off |
| 06:25.42 | Thesolonius | whoa now |
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| 06:26.18 | Thesolonius | voice? |
| 06:26.24 | Thesolonius | for Sargun? |
| 06:26.38 | Thesolonius | must be a big whig |
| 06:26.55 | Sargun | what? |
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| 06:27.12 | Thesolonius | nothin, brother, I'm a lil drunk |
| 06:27.21 | rwhitby | are you guys at the Blue Moon? |
| 06:28.28 | Thesolonius | isn't that a brothel in nevada? |
| 06:28.35 | Thesolonius | or is that the half moon? |
| 06:28.47 | Thesolonius | I'm drinking blue moon |
| 06:28.53 | Thesolonius | does that count? |
| 06:29.16 | rwhitby | ah, that's what I was channelling then. |
| 06:30.30 | Thesolonius | what is blue moon? |
| 06:30.36 | Thesolonius | I'm somewhat frightened to google |
| 06:31.21 | Thesolonius | what is "the" blue moon? articles are important |
| 06:31.51 | Thesolonius | 34% on webos doctor. Excited to see doom run on my phone |
| 06:31.58 | Thesolonius | then checkers, if all goes well |
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| 06:33.17 | destinal-home | it would be nice if palm-emulator supported new versions of virtualbox so I could try them, maybe my USB support would be more reliable in win7 |
| 06:33.43 | Thesolonius | what problems are you having? |
| 06:34.25 | destinal-home | Thesolonius: I have a linux VM that I keep trying to connect to my Pre, it works sometimes and not others. |
| 06:35.02 | Thesolonius | over what? |
| 06:35.05 | destinal-home | this last time it seems to have frozen the virtualbox UI (though the VM itself is still going) |
| 06:35.13 | Thesolonius | oh wow |
| 06:35.36 | Thesolonius | what distro of linux? |
| 06:35.38 | destinal-home | Thesolonius: just trying to connect the virtual USB on the virtualbox machine to the actual USB on the PC |
| 06:35.55 | Thesolonius | ooooh |
| 06:35.56 | Thesolonius | okay |
| 06:36.00 | destinal-home | to the Pre device specifically |
| 06:36.10 | Thesolonius | so, gaffo is running linux as the host machine, i'm running mac os |
| 06:36.21 | Thesolonius | neither of us is runnin win |
| 06:36.25 | destinal-home | yeah, part of my problem is likely that I'm running windows 7 |
| 06:36.31 | destinal-home | or maybe most or all of the problem |
| 06:36.49 | jacques | heh |
| 06:36.55 | Thesolonius | lol, run vbox to run ubuntu to run vbox to run your vm? |
| 06:37.05 | destinal-home | heh, uh, no |
| 06:37.08 | Thesolonius | :-) |
| 06:37.12 | destinal-home | :) |
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| 06:37.22 | Thesolonius | wish I had a solution |
| 06:37.56 | Thesolonius | :-/ |
| 06:37.58 | destinal-home | Thesolonius: alcohol / nutrient solution such as blue moon will do find |
| 06:38.01 | destinal-home | s/find/fine/ |
| 06:38.06 | xcomp | i am now convinced that there is no greater punishment than being forced to compile with gcc 2.96 |
| 06:38.16 | Thesolonius | did you want /g on the end of that? |
| 06:38.19 | Thesolonius | or single instance only |
| 06:38.31 | Thesolonius | :-P |
| 06:38.33 | destinal-home | only one instance this time. not like.. |
| 06:38.36 | destinal-home | s/i/1/g |
| 06:38.41 | Thesolonius | lol |
| 06:38.54 | xcomp | bot semantics fail |
| 06:38.55 | Thesolonius | u guys r fun |
| 06:39.10 | destinal-home | goes upstairs to grab a beer while doctoring back to 1.3.1 |
| 06:39.11 | jacques | xcomp: wow, why are you doing that? |
| 06:39.41 | xcomp | jacques: i'm trying to upgrade my e17 installation on the simulator at work |
| 06:39.43 | jacques | xcomp: and there is a greater punishment - g++ 2.96 |
| 06:40.07 | xcomp | and all I got is 2.96 |
| 06:40.38 | xcomp | if I compile with a different machine, it fails due to glibc incompatibility |
| 06:40.48 | xcomp | royal pita |
| 06:40.49 | jacques | I would use 2.96 to build 3.3 |
| 06:40.58 | xcomp | yeah I have seriously considered that |
| 06:41.08 | jacques | which I would use to build 3.4 -> 4.1 -> 4.2 -> 4.4 |
| 06:41.19 | xcomp | but I don't know if I have the time to build gcc |
| 06:41.30 | jacques | oooh, yeah glibc - you can't build the latest gcc's against ancient glibc :-( |
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| 06:42.11 | jacques | just curious, what version of glibc is it? |
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| 06:42.21 | jacques | re rwhitby |
| 06:42.30 | xcomp | 2.3.2 |
| 06:42.32 | destinal-home | jacques: so you end up stepping along glibc and gcc both? (perhaps in a chroot?) |
| 06:43.03 | rwhitby | jacques: see /msg |
| 06:43.16 | xcomp | i pretty much have my own rogue linux distro running in my install prefix at this point (since i don't have root |
| 06:43.24 | destinal-home | rwhitby: my doctor seems to be stuck at 14% |
| 06:43.28 | xcomp | so I might as well make the leap and build gcc |
| 06:43.45 | destinal-home | rwhitby: a lot of leaked file descriptors |
| 06:43.57 | destinal-home | but that seems to be par for the course |
| 06:44.24 | destinal-home | hmm, ok it jumped from 14 to 54 in a few seconds |
| 06:46.13 | destinal-home | xcomp: you may as well just chroot yourself :) |
| 06:47.10 | destinal-home | totally run a modern distro :) |
| 06:47.30 | Thesolonius | woot woot webos doctor has finished, restarting the phone |
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| 06:50.37 | jacques | rwhitby: are you getting my PMs ? |
| 06:50.57 | destinal-home | Thesolonius: same here, but running 1.3.1 again for testing |
| 06:51.03 | xcomp | destinal-home: heh ... but then I wouldn't be able to actually do any work :) |
| 06:51.39 | cryptk|work | destinal-home: I figured out that mouse freezing issue |
| 06:51.45 | jacques | ~~~~ |
| 06:51.46 | infobot | ARGH!!! STOP IT jacques!!! |
| 06:51.57 | cryptk|work | ~beer |
| 06:51.58 | infobot | ACTION has disconnected (Read error: 99 (Connection reset by beer)) |
| 06:52.21 | destinal-home | cryptk|work: oh? |
| 06:52.47 | xcomp | it's also nice to know that -std=c99 means nothing whatsoever to gcc 2.96 |
| 06:52.55 | cryptk|work | yeah, I reinstalled ubuntu with a different mouse, my G7 disconnected... then connected the G7 after it was installed... it works great now... go figure... |
| 06:52.57 | xcomp | cursed be this compiler |
| 06:53.09 | jacques | xcomp: damn straight |
| 06:53.12 | cryptk|work | I am thinking about trying mint... |
| 06:53.15 | jhojho | gak. sprint gave me the wrong msl code |
| 06:53.28 | cryptk|work | jhojho: lol |
| 06:53.30 | jhojho | and they are closed. grr |
| 06:53.45 | cryptk|work | now I need a way to impot my facebook phonebook into my Google Voice... |
| 06:53.57 | jacques | wonders if rwhitby is having connection issues |
| 06:54.10 | jhojho | was trying out the gps hack. vmware no less |
| 06:54.18 | jhojho | on vmware that is. |
| 06:54.45 | jhojho | got all the way to where I'm prompted for the msl and what I have written down is wrong! grr. |
| 06:56.13 | destinal-home | jhojho: oh, for usb passthrough? |
| 06:56.36 | jhojho | actually I was not prompted for a msl for usb passthrough |
| 06:56.48 | jhojho | had the usb passthrough patch installed |
| 06:56.57 | jhojho | went straight to the screen |
| 06:57.04 | destinal-home | I thought the "use phone as GPS device" stuff is based on the same passthrough service though |
| 06:58.52 | jhojho | yes |
| 06:59.06 | jhojho | the patch bypasses the auth page apparently |
| 06:59.23 | jhojho | http://forums.precentral.net/webos-patches/223956-patch-usb-passthrough-remove-code-add-launcher-usbpass.html |
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| 07:04.09 | farms | do you guys think buzz will be on web os |
| 07:04.32 | jacques | yes |
| 07:04.48 | farms | I hope so it looks really cool |
| 07:04.56 | farms | and I don't want a droid |
| 07:05.18 | farms | mad at vzw for advertising the pre plus to soccer moms |
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| 07:12.59 | farms | how do I install optware packages |
| 07:14.05 | rwhitby | 1) install.preware.org |
| 07:14.28 | rwhitby | 2) install the Optware Advanced Linux Command Line Installer (also known as ipkg-opt) from Preware |
| 07:14.34 | farms | done |
| 07:14.39 | rwhitby | 3) get a command line and type "ipkg-opt update" |
| 07:16.00 | farms | downloading now |
| 07:16.22 | farms | done |
| 07:17.31 | farms | now goto preware? |
| 07:17.45 | rwhitby | no, now "ipkg-opt list" |
| 07:17.58 | rwhitby | then "ipkg-opt install <package>" |
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| 07:57.46 | cryptk|work | so... google voice is definitely a bag full of awesome... |
| 07:58.16 | cryptk|work | and I used the patch to send all of your contacts as a vCard to email them all to myself... then I imported them all in to my google contacts... |
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| 07:58.42 | cryptk|work | so every contact on my phone is now on the Google cloud... no matter if ti came from facebook, aim, wherever... |
| 07:58.49 | cryptk|work | gotta love multiple backups... |
| 08:09.48 | mgaffney | cryptk|work, so you can pull and push to different accounts? or is that a hack? |
| 08:10.23 | cryptk|work | well, it just lets me have every contact in my google contacts |
| 08:10.40 | cryptk|work | I used the patch to put all of the contacts in my phone into a vCard and emailed it to myself |
| 08:10.50 | cryptk|work | then I went on the google voice website and imported the vCard |
| 08:11.00 | cryptk|work | so every contact I have is in my Google Voice |
| 08:17.03 | cryptk|work | it worked great... and now I have a place where every contact exists all at once... It will also help with reducing the amount of work I will have to do manually linking accounts if I have to doctor or whatever since I have a source that has everything properly linked up... after a future doctor synergy should get everything right from the initial import. |
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| 08:41.37 | ka6sox | jacques: ping |
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| 08:54.22 | Speedy1 | www.search2.net |
| 08:56.05 | cryptk|work | Speedy1: what is that URL for? |
| 08:56.34 | jacques | cryptk|work: I think that's a spam bot |
| 08:56.47 | cryptk|work | that is what I was thinking also... but typically they hut'n'run |
| 08:56.53 | cryptk|work | join channel, spam it up, leave channel |
| 08:56.56 | jacques | true |
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| 08:59.18 | jacques | I think we hurt its feelings :-| |
| 08:59.32 | ka6sox | poor baby |
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| 09:00.28 | cryptk|work_ | argh... damn interwebs dropped out... |
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| 12:59.11 | Darkmagister | hi |
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| 13:26.56 | Thesolonius | hey hey, thx for the tip on using webos doctor to revert the phone post the mytether 2.0.4 install |
| 13:27.04 | Thesolonius | did the trick for getting doom to work |
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| 13:28.02 | raghuk | hi guys, can we disable auto uppercase in textfield widget ? any one |
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| 13:46.26 | raghuk | any one can help ? need to disable uppercase of first char in textfield ... |
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| 14:06.53 | MetaView | hi |
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| 14:29.16 | hape | ho |
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| 15:02.09 | Rick_work | he |
| 15:04.16 | zsoc | she |
| 15:07.36 | nt4cats | Rupaul |
| 15:07.48 | nt4cats | (sp?) |
| 15:07.54 | Darkmagister | hi |
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| 15:09.02 | Rick_work | so guys, help me here. |
| 15:09.36 | zsoc | Rick_work: always for you rick |
| 15:09.51 | Rick_work | What all binary/sdl/whatever apps do we have packaged up and actually downloadable. I would like to lobby precentral for a post summarizing what we have before Palm's big announcement at GameDevCon. |
| 15:10.19 | Rick_work | Doom, Quake, Terminus, Stella, sdlVNC, what else? |
| 15:11.00 | zsoc | a lot of half baked unpackaged mostly working ports :p |
| 15:11.04 | zsoc | Supertux? |
| 15:11.13 | zsoc | that tetris game |
| 15:11.16 | zsoc | vba |
| 15:17.27 | Rick_work | anything else packaged up and downloadable that anyone can think of. |
| 15:17.30 | Rick_work | ????? |
| 15:17.39 | Rick_work | and is there anything else CLOSE? |
| 15:18.01 | zsoc | classicinvaders |
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| 15:18.31 | Rick_work | I thought that worked, isn't it done? |
| 15:18.46 | zsoc | yes |
| 15:19.38 | Rick_work | ok, doom, quake, terminus, stella, sdlvnc, supertux, tetris, vba, and classic invaders. |
| 15:20.04 | Rick_work | All of which are app catalog eligible probably when the pdk is released. |
| 15:21.03 | Rick_work | Now, what's CLOSE.... DosBox is not close, because the keybindings are hard. X is not close because you guys can't figure out which version of X to work on, what is close? |
| 15:22.08 | doohan | scummvm? |
| 15:22.52 | zsoc | Rick_work: flac support is close :p |
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| 15:25.35 | Rick_work | doohan is scummvm packaged? And if not, what's the issue? |
| 15:25.49 | Rick_work | zsoc, that's your "third party media player" ? |
| 15:25.51 | doohan | Oh no idea....sorry |
| 15:25.55 | doohan | Just wishful thinking on my part |
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| 15:26.46 | zsoc | Rick_work: uh.. no. it works in the standard media player. I have framwork for a 3rd party media player but it's way off into the future |
| 15:27.09 | Rick_work | the wiki page on scummvm doesn't have ANYTHING about limitations or issues or plans. :( |
| 15:27.21 | doohan | Does it say who was even working on it? |
| 15:27.23 | Rick_work | zsoc, so you're patching in flac into the regular media player. |
| 15:27.38 | doohan | Last I saw it, it was all pretty much do it yourself. |
| 15:28.12 | Rick_work | doohan sepi / destinal |
| 15:28.45 | doohan | as in sepisultrum? |
| 15:28.52 | doohan | *prod* :) |
| 15:28.58 | Rick_work | doohan I'm looking at the wiki changes log |
| 15:29.14 | zsoc | Rick_work: yeah. nothing binary about it really. we'll, except all th binaries. nothing 'pdk' about it tho, touches the fs all over the place |
| 15:30.05 | VincentLaw | IE8 is having problems with my JS, and I don't know why. Error: "Object doesn't support this property or method" on line 11. Line 11 is this: bet = 0; |
| 15:30.06 | zsoc | Rick_work: and there's no 'patch'. it's a customer file indexer, some new gst plugins, and a service to prod the fileindexer / mediaserver |
| 15:30.27 | zsoc | VincentLaw: don't use IE? |
| 15:30.39 | zsoc | s/customer/custom/ |
| 15:30.42 | zsoc | odd typo |
| 15:30.45 | VincentLaw | zsoc: obvious answer, and it works in firefox/chrome, but I don't know why IE is dying on something so... simple? |
| 15:30.49 | doohan | VincentLaw, maybe it's counting or removing blank lines and comments? |
| 15:30.55 | Rick_work | there was an earthquake in chicago?!??! 3.4 |
| 15:31.19 | zsoc | Rick_work: 3.4 isn't exactly something to get excited about... |
| 15:31.27 | Rick_work | 4.3 |
| 15:31.28 | Rick_work | sorry |
| 15:31.39 | zsoc | oh, you might feel that |
| 15:31.41 | VincentLaw | doohan: I'm looking into that but honestly the code all above it is rather basic too |
| 15:31.43 | Rick_work | and still not except for of course, that you NEVER have earthquakes in chicago. |
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| 15:32.28 | Rick_work | Ok, wait a minute |
| 15:32.34 | Rick_work | this is NOT a chicago earthquake. |
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| 15:32.43 | Rick_work | this is WAY WORSE. |
| 15:33.15 | zsoc | ? |
| 15:33.23 | nt4cats | rick_work: ? |
| 15:33.33 | Rick_work | map shows the epicenter in extrme southern Il. |
| 15:34.06 | zsoc | and? |
| 15:34.18 | zsoc | 4.3 isn't enough to barely knock a book off a shelf |
| 15:34.26 | nt4cats | headline: "Rare earthquake rattles northern Ill.; no damage" |
| 15:34.44 | Rick_work | if the first map I saw is right, then that would have been on the big fault that destroyed St Louis and re-routed the mississipi back in the 1800's. |
| 15:34.49 | Rick_work | but that map was wrong.... |
| 15:34.56 | Rick_work | usgs has it just west of elgin. |
| 15:35.01 | nt4cats | Google news link: http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jhUelbKIlqA_R8hWfoiAhYX8ArywD9DPCNI80 |
| 15:35.39 | nt4cats | (from the AP) "The USGS initially reported the magnitude as 4.3 but later downgraded it. USGS geophysicist Amy Vaughan says such quakes are rare in northern Illinois." |
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| 15:35.55 | Rick_work | usgs site now says 3.8 |
| 15:35.58 | Rick_work | nevermind. |
| 15:36.08 | zsoc | crisis averted |
| 15:36.33 | nt4cats | rick_work had me worried for a moment, I have family and dear friends in Illinois |
| 15:36.37 | Rick_work | when I saw the first map, my mind thought "Oh Shit a fore-shock on the new-madrid." |
| 15:36.46 | Rick_work | my daughter is in chicago. |
| 15:37.37 | Rick_work | but as long as this is a deep central plate quake up by chicago, no big deal. If the new-madrid lets go, Katrina will have been as nothing.... |
| 15:38.02 | hape | dose somebody know if there are plans to create a gui for vpnc? |
| 15:38.04 | zsoc | Rick_work: you are very dramatic |
| 15:38.30 | Rick_work | I am. have you ever heard of the New Madrid fault? |
| 15:38.30 | DrFunk | sup rick |
| 15:38.40 | Rick_work | as little as possible DrF |
| 15:38.40 | zsoc | I wikid it :p |
| 15:39.59 | Rick_work | well, back to work. |
| 15:40.13 | nt4cats | rick_work: everyone knows that In March 13, 2009, a research group based out of Northwestern University and Purdue University, funded by the United States Geological Survey, reported in the journal Science that the New Madrid system may be "shutting down" and that tectonic strain may now be accumulating elsewhere.[26] |
| 15:40.17 | DrFunk | all this dam snow now I have to clean it ack |
| 15:40.41 | nt4cats | Ignore the "[26]" citation at the end there. No way that I just pasted that from wikipedia ... that's all original work. |
| 15:40.49 | egaudet | it's a good ole fashion nor'eastah! |
| 15:41.15 | DrFunk | egaudet: tell me about it |
| 15:41.50 | DrFunk | we got like 8 in so far and still strong |
| 15:42.13 | zsoc | DrFunk: at least you aren't at work in it |
| 15:43.11 | DrFunk | they closed my job |
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| 15:44.15 | nt4cats | It has really tapered off here (Philly) -- so I just thought to myself "this wasn't so bad" ... then I just checked the local news sites and their headlines are "the worst hasn't happened yet" |
| 15:44.44 | DrFunk | lol @ nt4cats |
| 15:45.02 | DrFunk | I'm in CT |
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| 15:45.17 | mdklein | I'm sick of the cold |
| 15:45.41 | nt4cats | mdklein: cut open a tauntaun and crawl inside |
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| 15:46.00 | xaiki | zsoc: ping |
| 15:46.04 | DrFunk | mdklein_: tell me about it |
| 15:46.24 | zsoc | xaiki: hey it's you |
| 15:46.37 | DrFunk | dam I think that was the quickest ping I ever seen |
| 15:46.37 | DrFunk | lol |
| 15:46.45 | nt4cats | 's kids have been upstairs and quiet for 20 minutes. This can't possibly be good. BRB. |
| 15:46.47 | DrFunk | egaudet: ? |
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| 15:48.16 | DrFunk | brb also |
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| 15:50.28 | nt4cats | I think GameLoft rocks (just a little bit) |
| 15:57.51 | DrFunk | wow |
| 15:58.00 | DrFunk | that's all I can say lmao |
| 15:58.02 | nt4cats | Precentral.net is reporting "Palm employees specifically said that Flash would be available in February." at a recent event |
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| 15:58.19 | nt4cats | http://www.precentral.net/flash-webos-confirmed-february |
| 15:58.33 | Rick_work | well, that IMPLIES pixi gpu in feb. |
| 15:58.45 | Rick_work | unless they keep failing at that. but the pixi folks will be PISSED. |
| 15:59.08 | Rick_work | but there's no point in asking anyone, especially geist :) |
| 15:59.13 | nt4cats | (yesterday they reported that v1.4 will be released on the 15th) |
| 15:59.25 | mdklein | I thought chris said most of palm people use the pixi... you'd think they'd open those up faster :-p |
| 15:59.30 | DrFunk | Rick_work: did they even relase the beta yet ? |
| 15:59.51 | DrFunk | release* |
| 16:00.02 | xaiki | saw it working yesterday. |
| 16:00.09 | xaiki | at the french Palm event. |
| 16:00.20 | xaiki | it's shipped as an app in the app catalogue. |
| 16:00.36 | nt4cats | DrFunk: I understand that palm has a pretty restrictive NDA for people who get early access to things ... so I wouldn't expect anyone to discuss what they've seen. |
| 16:00.45 | DrFunk | flash ? |
| 16:00.46 | nt4cats | (unless it is something they've seen publicly) |
| 16:01.32 | DrFunk | nt4cats: thought it was public now you can sign up |
| 16:02.16 | nt4cats | DrFunk: I understand/infer from what I've read publicly that the first "release" from Adobe will be labeled Beta. I'm not saying this authoritatively nor due to any special inside information, that's just what I understand/infer |
| 16:03.08 | nt4cats | DrFunk: .. and putting 2 and 2 together (really 0.02 and 0.02) my conjecture is that the beta will be released in the App Catalog in February |
| 16:03.32 | Rick_work | My understanding is that FLASH is not available under a palm NDA at this time. I have heard that you have to have an ADOBE NDA to have the alpha of flash, and that this involves trolls hiding under the beds of your children prepared to eat them, and explosive collars attached to your pets. |
| 16:05.20 | nt4cats | DrFunk: to be perfectly clear -- I am not, in any way, an "insider". I know only what I read on precentral.net (and similar sites), and what I see discussed here. I do not want to misrepresent myself or pretend to have some special position in the community ... |
| 16:06.13 | DrFunk | no not at all look @ ur pm |
| 16:11.55 | nt4cats | DrFunk: I am replying to your PM's |
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| 16:19.19 | VincentLaw | the more I try to use ares the more it annoys me |
| 16:19.20 | nt4cats | I just thought to myself (not kidding): "I wish there was some way to search for Pre software that looked at homebrew, official apps, palm beta/web-only apps, etc." (I want to find apps that upload photos). |
| 16:19.35 | nt4cats | ... then I rememebered there is that thing called PreWare. |
| 16:19.56 | VincentLaw | flickr uploader btw :p |
| 16:20.54 | DrFunk1 | catz |
| 16:20.58 | DrFunk1 | ack |
| 16:21.04 | nt4cats | VincentLaw: to use flickr you need an account there, right? |
| 16:21.16 | VincentLaw | yeah, it's free, but yeah |
| 16:21.45 | nt4cats | VincentLaw: I'd rather something like imgur.com |
| 16:22.01 | VincentLaw | well there's the twitter apps as well |
| 16:22.02 | VincentLaw | but |
| 16:22.07 | VincentLaw | other than that I can't think of anything |
| 16:22.24 | VincentLaw | k I give up on ares |
| 16:22.58 | VincentLaw | doesn't give me nearly enough information to figure out what's going on, and lack of basic functionality like /moving files/ is getting on my nerves |
| 16:23.16 | nt4cats | VincentLaw: I was thinking of trying to do a imgur.com uploader as my first Ares app ... |
| 16:23.18 | nt4cats | :) |
| 16:23.36 | VincentLaw | ares is frustrating |
| 16:24.16 | VincentLaw | they focused a lot of effort on the automagic part of the development, like the scene layouts, and forgot to include basic functionality for working with your assets and debugging decently >.> |
| 16:24.24 | VincentLaw | I don't think there's even an option for inspector in ares |
| 16:24.56 | nt4cats | I haven't done much more than make sure it launches for me |
| 16:25.34 | mdklein | I loaded it once, thought, "hrm, that's fancy"... and haven't looked again :( |
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| 16:29.24 | Rick_work | VincentLaw that's an interesting claim. |
| 16:29.35 | Rick_work | first, yes, ares does support inspector |
| 16:29.43 | Rick_work | second, ares is the ONLY way the debugger actually works. |
| 16:29.51 | Rick_work | I certainly agree that moving files is a pain. |
| 16:30.34 | Rick_work | But for single-stage apps, it's just pretty darned fast. |
| 16:31.41 | zsoc | hey, no mojo talk in here |
| 16:31.42 | zsoc | :p |
| 16:33.32 | punzada | does anyone happen to know if I could use a double length usb->micro usb b cable with my car chargeer and still get adequte charge to my pre for gps/music? |
| 16:33.48 | punzada | I'm clueless on power-over-usb spec and my googlefu has been weak on the subject |
| 16:34.21 | bpadalino|work | i'd think the loss ove the cable would be negligible for DC |
| 16:34.28 | bpadalino|work | but trying to do HS comms over it may be more difficult |
| 16:34.32 | mdklein | I'd second that thought |
| 16:34.46 | bpadalino|work | i like how mdklein has my back |
| 16:34.48 | bpadalino|work | :) |
| 16:34.57 | punzada | HS comms? |
| 16:35.01 | bpadalino|work | high speed communication |
| 16:35.02 | bpadalino|work | sorry |
| 16:35.03 | punzada | ah |
| 16:35.04 | bpadalino|work | 480Mbps |
| 16:35.15 | nt4cats | punzada: I am not an electrical engineer, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express recently. I would expect that at the low power (and DC at that) we're talking about, the cable length wouldn't be much of a factor at all |
| 16:35.36 | bpadalino|work | that's 3 yes'!! |
| 16:35.54 | punzada | okay, I'm just clueless when it comes to DC/car stuff in general, and that news makes me happy for my pre in car setup I want |
| 16:36.15 | bpadalino|work | we're here to serve |
| 16:36.42 | punzada | damn straight ;P |
| 16:36.56 | mdklein | how long is your car? I thought USB cable length limit was 5m? |
| 16:37.08 | VincentLaw | [11:29:27] <+Rick_work> first, yes, ares does support inspector <-- if it does I sure don't see any option for it |
| 16:37.47 | Rick_work | punzada - for powering inside your car, the only thing going through the USB cable is 5 volts dc. You could make the freaking cable 100 feet long and it wouldn't care. |
| 16:37.57 | punzada | mdklein: I just needed about double (i assume) of the 2.5 foot stock one so I can run the wire nicely underneath the plastics in the center console and out of the glovebox/dash where my pre is going to be mounted |
| 16:38.21 | mdklein | oh, that'd be fine even for hs comms I think |
| 16:38.26 | Rick_work | VincentLaw that's because inspector has to run on your PC. You launch an app in ares, in the emulator and it's automatically inspectable. Run the inspector and you're all set. |
| 16:38.41 | punzada | but, I dont need high speed comms either |
| 16:38.43 | mdklein | but yeah, length shouldn't affect charging only either |
| 16:39.03 | VincentLaw | Rick_work: not working |
| 16:39.05 | punzada | my deck isn't USB, it'll be p-sub to rca to ministereo to pre |
| 16:39.07 | VincentLaw | that's what I had tried |
| 16:39.20 | VincentLaw | works fine when i do it from komodo, not from when I do it from ares |
| 16:39.21 | punzada | so, slightly ghetto behind the dash but it'll sound better then FM transmitter |
| 16:39.24 | punzada | [11:13] < brandon> lol |
| 16:39.27 | punzada | whoops |
| 16:39.30 | punzada | middle click |
| 16:40.29 | Rick_work | punzada for power, do this too, make sure that the center two pins in the pre-end of the usb connector (the data wires) are shorted together. This tells the pre that the power connectors (the outer pair) is capable of delivering 1 amp instead of 500 ma, and so it sucks full charge. |
| 16:41.36 | punzada | ooo, that I did not know, thanks for that tip |
| 16:42.23 | Rick_work | That way, the pre only ever sucks 500ma out of a computer, because the data wires are busy doing data. |
| 16:43.01 | Rick_work | that's how it TELLS THE DIFFERENCE. -- most car-chargers and wall chargers short the data wires inside the charger, so that the device knows it's a charger, even though you're using a regular usb cable. |
| 16:43.49 | mdklein | monoprice has a 15ft cable for $2.02... hrmmmm.. trying to decide if that would be handy or just get in the way |
| 16:44.11 | punzada | yeah I was looking at monoprice for it earlier yesterday as well when I first was concreting this idea |
| 16:45.14 | punzada | how should I go about shorting them on the cable end, just ...pliers? ;x |
| 16:47.08 | Rick_work | you said you were going to sacrifice a cable... there will be four wires in the cable. make sure that the data wires are shorted, strip them, and twist them together and tape it up before you patch the power wires into your extension. |
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| 16:49.02 | punzada | ah, yeah, this cable will just be for that install, it will mostly be from car charger directly to pre still just ...longer and hidden, but for this use I can certainly do that |
| 16:50.31 | nt4cats | Rick_work: the Pre bitches (or refuses to charge) if you plug it into some/all non-Palm car chargers. Do you know how it "knows"? I cover the camera when I do it ... |
| 16:51.48 | Rick_work | nt4cats I've had it happen with PALM chargers. And no, I don't know why. I usually just unplug and plug again. but I do know that it's VASTLY more reliable if the data pins are shorted. it seems generally to come right up. If they aren't shorted, it may be busy trying to negotiate a data connection. |
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| 16:52.28 | nt4cats | Rick_work: that makes sense, thanks. |
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| 16:53.32 | Rick_work | VincentLaw you're right. :-( You have to use palm-run to trigger the app as inspectable once you've run it in the emulator. -- that's a pain in the butt. It didn't USED to be that way. I'll ask. |
| 16:53.55 | Rick_work | Thanks for the heads up, I appriciate it, I'm trying to write this Ares book and I keep getting caught with hard parts. |
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| 17:11.29 | Rick_work | ouch. Long sidebar in the chapter on that. Thanks VincentLaw |
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| 17:17.03 | loopybandnerd | i need help |
| 17:17.34 | Rick_work | with what? |
| 17:18.16 | loopybandnerd | i downloaded a theme, and it messed up something, so i uninstalled the themes, and then i tried to install the emergency patch recovery |
| 17:18.27 | Rick_work | nodnod |
| 17:18.41 | loopybandnerd | thinking that maybe the theme had a hidden patch that went haywire with one of my already installed patches |
| 17:18.58 | loopybandnerd | but now my phone wont connect to a pc, and in preware, there's no patch's feed |
| 17:19.20 | iSmite | i just made my latest theme, sshing it in now actually..good luck with that i bricked mine earlier, fixed it tho |
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| 17:19.56 | loopybandnerd | any suggestions? |
| 17:21.12 | Rick_work | which theme? |
| 17:22.09 | loopybandnerd | man i don't know.. it was one of the purple themes |
| 17:22.32 | Rick_work | you understand that this makes it VERY hard for us to figure out what went wrong? |
| 17:22.55 | loopybandnerd | i understand |
| 17:23.03 | loopybandnerd | i tried pulling out the battery |
| 17:23.10 | loopybandnerd | and unplugging it from pc |
| 17:23.29 | loopybandnerd | and then plugging it in, then placing in the battery while holding the volume up button |
| 17:23.32 | loopybandnerd | still no luck |
| 17:23.43 | Rick_work | loopybandnerd that's the wrong procedure. |
| 17:24.04 | Rick_work | loopybandnerd does the phone boot? |
| 17:24.09 | loopybandnerd | yup |
| 17:24.11 | Rick_work | and can you run preware? |
| 17:24.18 | loopybandnerd | yup |
| 17:24.32 | VincentLaw | *grumble* for some reason my javascript/jquery is not loading inside a scene, it will only load when placed in the index.html |
| 17:24.45 | Rick_work | ok, bring up preware, go to list of everything, and type me eme on the keyboard, and tell me what you have listed. |
| 17:25.17 | Rick_work | VincentLaw that's correct. you can not lazy-load jquery. you can load it in sources.json or in index.html but not in a scene. |
| 17:25.20 | loopybandnerd | ok h/o |
| 17:26.00 | VincentLaw | Rick_work: perhaps I should clarify. If I stick the .js in index.html, it will not be usable in a scene. is there some way I should be doing this? |
| 17:26.24 | VincentLaw | the JS AND my html must both be in the index.html for it to work |
| 17:27.25 | VincentLaw | (and yes I am doing noConflict) |
| 17:27.53 | Rick_work | VincentLaw, what is your load line in index? |
| 17:28.22 | VincentLaw | <script type="text/javascript" src="jquery-1.4.1.min.js"></script> ? |
| 17:28.38 | VincentLaw | then immediately following it is my .js: <script type="text/javascript" src="animateslots.js"></script> |
| 17:29.07 | Rick_work | where are you putting those two js files? In the same folder as index.html? |
| 17:29.14 | VincentLaw | yes |
| 17:30.14 | Rick_work | ok, then other than that you don't need type="text/javascript" -- it's entirely superfluous, then that procedure is exactly correct, and you should then be able to call the functions in those js files from any scene. |
| 17:30.28 | Rick_work | but it's not the approved way to do it. |
| 17:30.51 | loopybandnerd | ok eme gets me: "emergency service enabler, emergency migration helper, emergency patch recovery, emergency reconstruction utility |
| 17:31.10 | VincentLaw | well the thing is, I am trying to put the <divs> for it in a scene, but when I do, it's like jquery and my JS cannot see it any longer. so if there's a more "approved" way that will make that work, i'd be interested :p |
| 17:31.42 | Rick_work | in your sources.json add two lines at the very top. In my othello program I have |
| 17:31.43 | Rick_work | {"source": "app\/assistants\/othello.js"}, |
| 17:31.43 | Rick_work | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:32.53 | loopybandnerd | Rick_work: ok eme gets me: "emergency service enabler, emergency migration helper, emergency patch recovery, emergency reconstruction utility |
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| 17:35.52 | VincentLaw | Rick_work: doing that still doesn't let me stick my <divs> in the main scene. if the <divs> aren't in index.html, it's like jquery/my JS cannot act upon them |
| 17:35.55 | iSmite | anyone remember where the black launcher icon is in shh i always forget |
| 17:36.13 | iSmite | ssh |
| 17:36.18 | iSmite | the path i mean |
| 17:36.32 | iSmite | prethemer appears to be down |
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| 17:40.38 | iSmite | hmm wtf is wrong with novaterm today |
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| 17:42.49 | Rick_work | loopybandnerd run epr, eru and emh |
| 17:43.02 | Rick_work | loopybandnerd if that doesnt work you'r going to have to doctor it and we'll help you with that. |
| 17:43.46 | loopybandnerd | okay... |
| 17:43.58 | Rick_work | VincentLaw what are you trying to accomplish? |
| 17:44.34 | Rick_work | the way that scenes work is, the html for the scene is inserted into the dom of index.html IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE BODY TAG. |
| 17:44.58 | Rick_work | so, when you push a scene, the html for the scene is inserted into the html of index.html |
| 17:45.39 | Rick_work | if you need to have those divs be acted on by your animationjs or jquery, you'll have to include some code in the scene's assistant js file. |
| 17:45.49 | Rick_work | You can NOT include any js in the scene's html. |
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| 17:50.58 | loopybandnerd | Rick_work ok i installed.... and still nothing |
| 17:52.23 | Rick_work | loopybandnerd I think you're going to have to doctor it. |
| 17:52.34 | Rick_work | fortunately, that's not as big a deal as it used to be. |
| 17:52.44 | loopybandnerd | ok, but how do i do that if my phone wont even connect to my pc? |
| 17:52.58 | Rick_work | right |
| 17:54.05 | Rick_work | take the battery out. Hold the volume up button Plug the USB cable in DO NOT LET GO OF THE VOLUME UP BUTTON a giant USB symbol will appear on the screen. Put the battery in WITHOUT letting go of the volume up button. Then let go -- you can now run the doctor and it will connect. |
| 17:55.08 | loopybandnerd | no good |
| 17:55.23 | Rick_work | loopybandnerd you did something wrong. |
| 17:55.28 | Rick_work | that's 100%. |
| 17:55.38 | Rick_work | let's go through it step by step. |
| 17:55.42 | Rick_work | 1) battery out. |
| 17:55.54 | loopybandnerd | you want me to unplug from pc? |
| 17:56.01 | Rick_work | yep |
| 17:56.06 | Rick_work | unplug, and battery out |
| 17:56.13 | loopybandnerd | k |
| 17:56.29 | Rick_work | now, on the PC run the doctor, and follow the instructions until it tells you to connect your pre. |
| 17:56.37 | loopybandnerd | k |
| 17:57.00 | Rick_work | now. HOLD THE VOLUME BUTTON UP and do not let go until I say. |
| 17:57.09 | loopybandnerd | k |
| 17:57.13 | Rick_work | with the battery still out, plug in the USB CABLE. |
| 17:57.30 | Rick_work | you will get a giant USB symbol on the screen. |
| 17:57.44 | loopybandnerd | i get a giant ? |
| 17:57.49 | Rick_work | that's ok. |
| 17:58.02 | loopybandnerd | k |
| 17:58.04 | Rick_work | Now, leave the volume up pressed, and put the battery back in. |
| 17:58.16 | loopybandnerd | k |
| 17:58.56 | Rick_work | now you can let go of the volume button |
| 17:59.02 | loopybandnerd | still wont connect |
| 17:59.10 | Rick_work | what is on the screen of the Pre? |
| 17:59.17 | loopybandnerd | the usb symbol |
| 17:59.24 | Rick_work | restart the doctor. |
| 17:59.30 | Rick_work | do not touch the pre. |
| 17:59.32 | Rick_work | that's perfect. |
| 17:59.38 | Rick_work | restart the doctor on the PC. |
| 18:00.49 | VincentLaw | Rick_work: I want the JS I included in the index.html (or sources.json) to be able to act upon the divs that are pushed into the body tag from the scene, like you had described |
| 18:01.03 | loopybandnerd | restarting...... |
| 18:01.05 | VincentLaw | are you saying that the JS in the sources.json can only affect index.html and nothing else? |
| 18:01.16 | Rick_work | VincentLaw no, I'm not saying that. |
| 18:01.34 | Rick_work | what do you do to cause the div's to be acted on? Just have them EXIST? |
| 18:01.42 | loopybandnerd | Rick_work Still no luck |
| 18:01.46 | Rick_work | or do you have to trigger the action some how? |
| 18:02.41 | VincentLaw | currently my js does various animations and manipulation of src attributes for divs and imgs of HTML. I wanted to put that HTML into a scene and have it work. I don't really care where my JS ends up, as long as the whole thing works within my scene :/ |
| 18:03.07 | VincentLaw | the divs are acted upon by clicks on the divs, and by mere existing |
| 18:03.31 | Rick_work | ok VincentLaw are you setting an onclick in your html of the div? |
| 18:03.57 | VincentLaw | I'm using the jquery equivalent, but I don't think it's even getting that far |
| 18:04.03 | VincentLaw | it's as if jquery doesn't see my divs in my scene |
| 18:04.14 | Rick_work | can you paste JUST the div that you're trying to use? |
| 18:04.33 | VincentLaw | I can paste the uppermost I guess? |
| 18:04.43 | Rick_work | any one. |
| 18:04.45 | VincentLaw | <div id="content"> |
| 18:04.50 | VincentLaw | jquery acts on that by: |
| 18:05.21 | VincentLaw | jQuery('#content').stuff |
| 18:05.36 | Rick_work | and where did you put THAT code? |
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| 18:06.12 | VincentLaw | the jquery code is in animatespin.js, which I put in sources.json. the html I pasted is in main-scene.html |
| 18:06.24 | Rick_work | right |
| 18:06.55 | Rick_work | the jquery('#content').stuff needs to go in the activate method of the MainAssistant.js |
| 18:06.59 | loopybandnerd | Rick_work Still no luck |
| 18:07.11 | Rick_work | that can just be a CALL into the function in animate.js |
| 18:07.49 | VincentLaw | okay, is there a webos specific function for including that js in activate()? |
| 18:07.50 | Rick_work | so if animate.js has a big pile of those, and there's a function in animate.js that says "SetUpAnimations()" you can just call SetUpAnimations() in activate |
| 18:08.24 | Rick_work | VincentLaw can you pastebin your animation.js for me at webos.pastebin.com please? and I can answer that question. |
| 18:08.30 | VincentLaw | alright |
| 18:08.37 | VincentLaw | (you'll cringe most likely :p) |
| 18:08.46 | Rick_work | VincentLaw I write HORRIBLE js. |
| 18:08.58 | VincentLaw | you'll still cringe :p |
| 18:09.02 | VincentLaw | pastebin'ing |
| 18:09.03 | Rick_work | (YES YES, I KNOW we should move this to webos instead of internals. ) |
| 18:09.16 | VincentLaw | ah you're right, want me to join that? :p |
| 18:09.27 | Rick_work | no this is ok until someone complains |
| 18:09.50 | Rick_work | paste the URL for your pastebin back here. |
| 18:10.29 | VincentLaw | http://webos.pastebin.com/d6ced1392 |
| 18:12.26 | Rick_work | Right VincentLaw got it. |
| 18:12.36 | Rick_work | I know what the problem is. it's on line 3. :-) |
| 18:12.50 | VincentLaw | ah it doesn't like that? |
| 18:12.52 | VincentLaw | figures :p |
| 18:13.12 | VincentLaw | tries it |
| 18:13.12 | Rick_work | here's the thing VincentLaw -- you're calling documentready. |
| 18:13.23 | Rick_work | when is the document ready? After index.html loads. |
| 18:13.45 | Rick_work | but what you're doing is stuff that can't really happen until the SCENE is pushed. |
| 18:13.59 | Rick_work | because those div's don't even EXIST until the scene is pushed. |
| 18:14.15 | destinal | loopybandnerd: you need to have that USB symbol up to be in recovery mode IIRC. try, remove the usb cable from the pre. also remove the battery and put it back in. that way the device will be off and USB will be unplugged. now make sure the USB cable is plugged into the PC but not the pre, then hold down the volume up button on the left side of the pre and while holding it down, plug in the USB cable to the pre |
| 18:14.37 | VincentLaw | okay, so I should change that to a different wrapper function that I can call from activate()? |
| 18:15.22 | Rick_work | so, change line 3 to say doAnimate = function() { |
| 18:15.41 | Rick_work | and then, in the activate method of the main assistant just call doAnimate() |
| 18:15.56 | Rick_work | which will then trigger everything you WERE triggering on document ready. |
| 18:16.33 | VincentLaw | I love you rick :p |
| 18:16.48 | Rick_work | does this make sense? |
| 18:16.55 | VincentLaw | yes it makes sense now that I see it |
| 18:16.57 | Rick_work | I accept small unmarked bills. |
| 18:17.30 | VincentLaw | now I can work on the proper "webos" portion of this app haha |
| 18:18.02 | destinal | Rick_work: heh, in for the cash but trying to keep off the radar? :) |
| 18:18.36 | zsoc | rwhitby: so of course I just realized I ant redistribute the fileindexer hacked. so I'll have to copy the one on the phone and bspatch it |
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| 18:18.53 | destinal | zsoc: what has to be done to the fileindexer? |
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| 18:19.24 | zsoc | destinal: make it crawl/pick various alternate filetypes to show up in the music player... flac/vorbis etc |
| 18:19.27 | zsoc | maybe wma |
| 18:19.50 | destinal | zsoc: can we just replace the indexer with something open source or augment it with an external process? |
| 18:19.55 | Rick_work | off to lunch bbl. |
| 18:20.11 | zsoc | destinal: yes, but I do not have the knowledge or resources |
| 18:20.27 | xaiki | destinal: meta-tracker would be what you'd need. |
| 18:20.39 | zsoc | destinal: I mean, it seems to just index everything on media internal, grab specific formats and look at meta data |
| 18:20.40 | xaiki | but you then need to find something that will interface in the rest of the Luna/Mojo stack. |
| 18:20.42 | destinal | zsoc: also have you put what you know so far on the wiki ? |
| 18:21.08 | zsoc | destinal: when I'm not stranded at work in a snow storm |
| 18:21.17 | destinal | zsoc: ouch |
| 18:21.50 | zsoc | destinal: xaiki: but my file indexer hack works :) picks up flac. |
| 18:22.09 | destinal | zsoc: what did you have to do? |
| 18:22.10 | zsoc | xaiki: I ran into an interesting issue. we'll 2 actually |
| 18:22.28 | zsoc | destinal: hex edit the formats crawled :p |
| 18:22.29 | destinal | zsoc: auto spell checks, I love the well -> we'll |
| 18:22.41 | zsoc | destinal: deal with it :p |
| 18:22.52 | destinal | (go, webos!) |
| 18:22.55 | VincentLaw | huh, is vibrate not part of the regular palm api? |
| 18:22.55 | destinal | :P |
| 18:23.35 | zsoc | xaiki: firstly, even with the plugin registered, typefindfunctions is super jacked, so I needed to rebuild it to even feed decodebin the right info |
| 18:23.42 | zsoc | but fixable |
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| 18:24.19 | zsoc | more disturbingly tho, mediaserver won't start when told to play a flac file. but once it's started, it works fine. |
| 18:24.37 | zsoc | ie: if my upstart service pokes mediaserver at boot, works no problem |
| 18:25.34 | zsoc | regardless, I want to get _every_ plugin building in the widk, so we have options for an opensource media player |
| 18:25.35 | zsoc | all is going we'll so far |
| 18:25.55 | destinal | hehe |
| 18:25.59 | zsoc | s/we'll/well/ |
| 18:26.11 | zsoc | destinal: shut your face :p |
| 18:27.13 | zsoc | so I'm not sure how 'releasable' this is.. but let me tell you. it's frickin awesome to open the music player and play a flac file :) |
| 18:29.32 | iSmite | might be a dumb question..but if i use the sprint webos dr instead of the gsm one, would it work? |
| 18:30.04 | VincentLaw | zsoc: now crack zune pass's DRM and I will pay you handsomely :p |
| 18:30.57 | zsoc | VincentLaw: ...that sounds illegal. |
| 18:31.33 | zsoc | I should also note, flac fidelity from headphone out is pretty unreal |
| 18:31.38 | iSmite | anyone? cos the american firmware has yahoo built in i can change apn manually |
| 18:31.46 | VincentLaw | well you wouldn't necessarily need to strip the encryption, just allow playback on the pre is all I want. :p |
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| 18:35.02 | VincentLaw | "In order to use the vibration API on palm, your application needs to have a "com.palm.*" namespace, as vibration on webOS is a private API. The caveat of doing this is that you are essentially indicating that your app should pretend to be a "Palm app" (rather than a Nitobi app, for example) ... and as a result your app will be denied from the Palm app catalog." |
| 18:35.13 | VincentLaw | is that still true? I could have sworn there were apps in the catalog that vibrated |
| 18:35.54 | destinal | I believe there's a call that will vibrate that's not in the private namespace |
| 18:36.12 | destinal | but the really flexible one that you can change pulse pattern/duration/etc I thought was private |
| 18:36.43 | VincentLaw | bah damn, figures |
| 18:42.35 | destinal | iSmite: I think you can run whatever doctor you want, but you'll need to metadoctor it to get past the checks |
| 18:42.47 | destinal | I used to use world ready on my sprint pre |
| 18:43.13 | iSmite | i just want to use yahoo which comes on the sprint one i just changed the webos.tar from a sprint one to my one is thta correct? |
| 18:43.40 | destinal | iSmite: oh, I haven't tried just swapping out the webos.tar. |
| 18:43.49 | destinal | I ran the whole other doctor entirely |
| 18:44.20 | destinal | maybe if you just swap out webos.tar you don't need the metadoctor for check bypass, not sure |
| 18:45.56 | iSmite | well im gonna try it and we will see |
| 18:46.09 | iSmite | worth a go i buggered it up anyway theming it |
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| 18:47.56 | iSmite | damn when i rename it back to jar from zip it wont open |
| 18:48.01 | iSmite | know why? |
| 18:50.22 | iSmite | well trying with the sprint one first. |
| 18:51.35 | iSmite | the other one renames to jar fine why not this one i get corrupt jar file |
| 18:51.40 | destinal | iSmite: eh, could be your metadata. Jars may be a subset of zip, but there are specific requirements for them to work properly |
| 18:51.46 | iSmite | craaaap |
| 18:52.07 | destinal | metadoctor does all this stuff for you |
| 18:52.25 | iSmite | can i do that though...i have limited knowledge |
| 18:52.45 | destinal | well, if you have a linux / unix system, it's all makefiles |
| 18:52.48 | iSmite | nope sprint one wont work |
| 18:52.59 | iSmite | ill try 1.2.1 |
| 18:53.17 | iSmite | apparently that one doesnt check |
| 18:55.16 | destinal | iSmite: ah, so the java jar format, in META-INF/MANIFEST.MF you have a Sha1 digest which is where the corrupt jar stuff comes from |
| 18:55.30 | iSmite | umm. ok :S |
| 18:55.37 | destinal | again, meta-doctor fixes all this for you |
| 18:55.43 | iSmite | yeah but im thick |
| 18:55.51 | iSmite | ill do it somehow lol |
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| 18:56.40 | destinal | I think it's, get meta-doctor, do: |
| 18:56.40 | destinal | make CARRIER=sprint unpack |
| 18:56.40 | destinal | (do whatever changes you want to in the unpacked directory) |
| 18:56.41 | destinal | make CARRIER=sprint pack |
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| 19:00.36 | iSmite | nah thats above me |
| 19:00.38 | iSmite | lol |
| 19:00.59 | iSmite | if i cant download that one, and ic ant seem to find it even though everyone bloody has it ill have to try downgrading |
| 19:01.09 | destinal | yeah, we need point and shoot gui's :) |
| 19:01.28 | Darkmagister | http://forums.precentral.net/webos-internals/207472-webos-internals-meta-doctor-7.html#post2066144 |
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| 19:02.04 | destinal | iSmite: fyi, if you use 1.2.1 you'll lose 3d games |
| 19:02.13 | Darkmagister | iSmite: this can help you |
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| 19:02.47 | iSmite | i dont get 3d games anyway. i heard if youre on gsm and dgrade to 1.2.1 you can then do an ota upgrade to sprint 1.3.5.1 |
| 19:05.05 | iSmite | although how i dont know because how can you get into the phone unless you bypass activation i dont get this |
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| 19:07.42 | iSmite | well 1.2.1 is working |
| 19:07.57 | iSmite | so far so good |
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| 19:09.00 | iSmite | then i should be able to whack on 1.3.5.1 |
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| 19:10.49 | iSmite | my phone just turned on and its not going past 6% |
| 19:10.53 | AnOutsider | way too many taps to shut down the phone |
| 19:11.00 | AnOutsider | almost makes you want to just yank the battery out |
| 19:11.31 | iSmite | great it disconnected itself |
| 19:13.02 | iSmite | wtf it gets to 6% and reboots itself why?? |
| 19:13.25 | iSmite | smacks palm |
| 19:13.55 | AnOutsider | haah the irony... apple guy fighting with a palm device |
| 19:14.08 | AnOutsider | palm guy happy as hell with apple finally approving his app |
| 19:14.25 | iSmite | you know what right at this minute im actually missing my iphone |
| 19:14.28 | iSmite | grrr |
| 19:15.25 | AnOutsider | haha, I definitely don't |
| 19:15.40 | AnOutsider | I had to use mine while testing this app and I kept trying to do gestures from the black area near the home button |
| 19:15.45 | iSmite | LOL |
| 19:16.04 | AnOutsider | makes so much sense to back swipe to back up in an app |
| 19:16.08 | iSmite | i still have mine i just cant be bothered to use it |
| 19:16.19 | AnOutsider | and multitasking.. I felt like I was in a box not being able to switch between apps |
| 19:16.30 | iSmite | you can get multitasing off cydia |
| 19:16.31 | iSmite | k |
| 19:16.41 | zsoc | cydia for the hack |
| 19:16.44 | AnOutsider | My best device I think would be WebOS on a device like the Nexus One |
| 19:16.59 | iSmite | yeah...hacks on cydia no worse than patches on pre |
| 19:17.17 | iSmite | least they uninstall properly 0.o |
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| 19:18.18 | iSmite | brb got no ciga left gonna stab someone |
| 19:18.22 | iSmite | cigs |
| 19:18.52 | AnOutsider | haha |
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| 19:23.39 | iSmite | :( |
| 19:23.58 | AnOutsider | buck up champ |
| 19:24.07 | iSmite | ok 84% sprint 1.2.1 god knows how im gonna get it to 1.3.5.1 after |
| 19:24.18 | iSmite | unless i can get my apn in it somehow |
| 19:24.21 | AnOutsider | OTA update? |
| 19:24.30 | iSmite | yeah how unless i put my apn in |
| 19:24.34 | iSmite | will it let me |
| 19:24.44 | AnOutsider | I missed the first half of the convo, so I dont know the full situation I guess |
| 19:24.51 | AnOutsider | is this ana ctual activated pre? or dev phone |
| 19:25.01 | iSmite | can you manually put in apn on 1.2.1 actual pre |
| 19:25.11 | AnOutsider | I honestly have no idea |
| 19:25.20 | iSmite | im fked if i cant rofl |
| 19:25.30 | AnOutsider | I DO know, that I'm about to head back into the snow with the four wheelers... eff coding |
| 19:25.33 | AnOutsider | haha later all |
| 19:25.36 | iSmite | yeah snowing here too |
| 19:25.37 | iSmite | cya |
| 19:26.11 | Flashpass | hey, is mytether supposed to be in preware right now? |
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| 19:28.30 | MetaView | is somewhat quiet in the neighbor channel |
| 19:28.37 | zsoc | Flashpass: mytether has never been in preware, and never will |
| 19:29.03 | iSmite | well thats great isnt it. i cant put in my apn so why did that idiot on precentral say you can ots update to 1.3.5.1 |
| 19:29.11 | iSmite | help! |
| 19:29.29 | iSmite | i need to bypass activation |
| 19:29.47 | iSmite | hmm maybe the other one will work.. |
| 19:30.34 | iSmite | *sigh* |
| 19:30.55 | MetaView | my alert dialog is dismissed after 8 minutes... |
| 19:31.00 | MetaView | that's strange |
| 19:31.39 | iSmite | comeonnn 1.3.5.1 installing now |
| 19:31.40 | zsoc | iSmite: what in the world are you doing |
| 19:31.52 | iSmite | its ok i did it now |
| 19:32.01 | iSmite | no i didnt |
| 19:32.57 | iSmite | ok on precentral they said, if you want to be on american fw if you downgrade and go on sprint 1.2.1, which is what i have done, you can then do an over the air update to 1.3.5.1. except you cant because on 1.2.1 it wont let me change the apn so i cant bypass activation |
| 19:33.34 | iSmite | any ideas? |
| 19:33.39 | mdklein | metadoctor? |
| 19:33.45 | iSmite | ugh i dont know how to use that |
| 19:33.49 | zsoc | again, what are you doing? I don't understand |
| 19:33.53 | zsoc | there's a wiki |
| 19:34.09 | iSmite | i want american firmware. im in uk |
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| 19:34.13 | iSmite | we get f all |
| 19:34.16 | zsoc | oh. metadoctor |
| 19:34.35 | iSmite | ive managed to get on an old sprint one but it wont let me go to latest |
| 19:34.47 | zsoc | metadoctor is created and supported by webos-internals. any other methods will not be debugged here |
| 19:34.57 | debilater | iSmite: so why don't you install the latest sprint version |
| 19:35.03 | iSmite | i cant |
| 19:35.10 | iSmite | it says not compatible with my device |
| 19:35.21 | zsoc | debilater: 1.3.5 has some kind of device check |
| 19:35.32 | iSmite | i dont understand that metadoctor i dont know what to do |
| 19:35.45 | debilater | zsoc: oh I didn't know that, evil :) |
| 19:36.01 | zsoc | iSmite: there is a wiki page that spells it out for you |
| 19:36.06 | iSmite | im reading it |
| 19:36.09 | iSmite | its hard to me |
| 19:36.29 | debilater | iSmite: each carrier has a howto about this too, you can find this on the palm page |
| 19:36.49 | zsoc | iSmite: I assume you use windows. you can follow the 'cygwin' instructions |
| 19:36.53 | mdklein | she's a mac user |
| 19:36.59 | iSmite | carriers not gonna tell me how to fake another one |
| 19:37.01 | zsoc | oh |
| 19:37.02 | iSmite | im on mac |
| 19:37.11 | zsoc | iSmite: we'll then, install virtual box with ubuntu |
| 19:37.12 | mdklein | the i didn't give it away? ;-) |
| 19:37.25 | debilater | iSmite: so just use the instructions of your "target carrier" I meant |
| 19:37.48 | debilater | zsoc: you can webos doctor fine from mac |
| 19:37.54 | iSmite | phew |
| 19:38.47 | iSmite | aw man i dont get this |
| 19:38.53 | zsoc | debilater: they want US firmware on their UK device. they need metadoctor |
| 19:39.05 | iSmite | yes i know i need it it just looks bloody complicated |
| 19:39.24 | zsoc | iSmite: download and install virtualbox. download and install ubuntu in your virtualbox. copy and paste command line instructions into a terminal |
| 19:39.36 | iSmite | why do i need all that virtual stuff when i have a mac |
| 19:39.54 | debilater | is there someone elxe beside rwhitby who can initiate an ipkg build of a nonworking package to testing feed? |
| 19:40.00 | iSmite | and i pasted it in it asked me for a password |
| 19:40.00 | debilater | s/elxe/else/ |
| 19:40.14 | zsoc | iSmite: because macs are no better than windows :p |
| 19:40.32 | zsoc | debilater: right now he's the only one I know of |
| 19:40.37 | iSmite | i cant do this i just need a 1.3.5.1 thats been changed |
| 19:41.03 | iSmite | what is a 'changed meid' |
| 19:41.04 | zsoc | iSmite: it's not LEGAL for someone to distribute a doctor to you, altered or otherwise |
| 19:41.04 | debilater | zsoc: damn :) and it's just 6 down under |
| 19:43.34 | Flashpass | zsoc: why won't mytether ever appear on preware? i thought i saw it mentioned in the latest precentral post... |
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| 19:47.15 | zsoc | Flashpass: because mytether is a virus which breaks your phone |
| 19:47.49 | zsoc | Flashpass: if you're referring to freetether, it's in the testing deeds. |
| 19:49.08 | mdklein | mytether has been fixed I thought |
| 19:50.32 | zsoc | mdklein_: I believe it uses the Verizon hotspot thing, I still don't buy it |
| 19:52.29 | zsoc | mdklein_: the point is the developer has many times ignored our earnings and refused to take our suggestions to account. the fact that it no longer breaks your phone with a patch is irrelevant. |
| 19:52.52 | zsoc | s/earnings/warnings |
| 19:55.50 | iSmite | well thats it. i cant rename a zip to jar and i dont understand metadoctor |
| 19:55.56 | iSmite | soi have a brick |
| 19:56.19 | zsoc | iSmite: pre is never bricked, just doctor it |
| 19:56.29 | zsoc | to UK firmware |
| 19:56.42 | iSmite | i cant now can i it'll say not compatible wont it |
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| 19:58.37 | zsoc | iSmite: ?o |
| 19:58.40 | zsoc | iSmite: no |
| 19:59.09 | iSmite | i still want the us firmware though why wont it just let me change over that tar file |
| 19:59.55 | zsoc | I have no idea what you're talking about |
| 20:00.37 | iSmite | ok to get 1.3.5.1 you have to take out the tar file from a sprint webos dr and put it into an o2 uk one and rename it to jar. except when i rename it to jar it goes corrupted |
| 20:00.53 | iSmite | so i cant run it |
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| 20:01.36 | debilater | iSmite: because you have to unpack it with jar and re-pack it with tar - these are different archive types |
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| 20:02.41 | nn7 | hello! I just bought a palm pre today and am having fun with it. I'm walking through the steps of setting up a pppd script to call curl for DDNS. I've verified the command I'm typing into the script works fine, but the script never seems to fire. I've made sure the script is chmod 755 and I'm watching my server logs but curl never comes calling |
| 20:02.43 | iSmite | thats not what everyone else is doing- they rename it to zip, swap the files over then rename back to jar its worked for everyone else |
| 20:02.59 | nn7 | I would appreciate some help debugging this |
| 20:03.09 | debilater | iSmite: tar or zip? that's different too |
| 20:03.42 | iSmite | there is a tar file inside the zip that you pull out of one and put into the other you dont unpack the tar or touch it |
| 20:03.44 | Robi_ | zsoc: don't be an ass abt mytether, things are much improved |
| 20:04.14 | debilater | well so then ... |
| 20:04.18 | zsoc | iSmite: we can't vouch for what random people on pc forums are saying |
| 20:04.33 | iSmite | well 8 people have said it thats why i tried it |
| 20:05.26 | nn7 | anyone else having problems with the manual ddns scripts? |
| 20:05.36 | zsoc | Robi_: unnecessary carelessness has caused countless debugging headaches for people. I'm not the one being an ass. |
| 20:05.43 | debilater | nn7: there's a package on preware for this |
| 20:06.11 | nn7 | debilater: I saw there were a couple of special ones for standard ddns. I have my own already setup that I can call with curl. |
| 20:07.25 | iSmite | damnit i know what i did now |
| 20:07.29 | nn7 | if I ./09update-ddns from a prompt it works fine |
| 20:07.32 | iSmite | brb here goes nothin |
| 20:08.11 | zsoc | iSmite: if this works, please consider documenting it on the wiki |
| 20:08.45 | iSmite | it should work |
| 20:08.52 | iSmite | just swapping the tar files over |
| 20:08.59 | iSmite | brb ill let u know |
| 20:10.53 | nn7 | debilater: will the package suppot custom DDNS urls? |
| 20:11.42 | debilater | nn7: I don't know, just saw it sometimes, but rwhitby made it so it will work because he is the man |
| 20:12.07 | nn7 | with an endorsement like that I'll have to give it a try |
| 20:13.31 | debilater | nn7: it's in optware => utilities => ez-update |
| 20:15.16 | nn7 | ok thanks |
| 20:15.24 | nn7 | I was just looking through the packages |
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| 20:16.03 | nn7 | anything you would recommend for ssh and possibly vnc (with tunneling)? |
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| 20:21.34 | jhojho | wow. buzz is creepy |
| 20:22.04 | jhojho | so buzz does not work on webos even with trying the url hack (a la latitude) |
| 20:22.07 | zsoc | google is creepy |
| 20:22.48 | jhojho | but it does when trying it with chromium |
| 20:22.54 | SqyArc | I've used it inside of Gmail and it's actually pretty awesome |
| 20:23.01 | SqyArc | if enough of your friends use it too |
| 20:23.06 | jhojho | try this url maps.google.com/maps/m?mode=buzz |
| 20:23.24 | jhojho | now enable the latitude and buzz layers |
| 20:23.28 | nn7 | I think I messed something up |
| 20:23.33 | nn7 | I installed optware's ez-ipupdate |
| 20:23.49 | nn7 | no icon, so I used google which gave me a page explaining why file to update |
| 20:23.54 | nn7 | which is in /opt |
| 20:23.57 | nn7 | but my /opt is empty |
| 20:24.47 | jhojho | this is a map of all the buzzes in san francisco |
| 20:24.50 | jhojho | http://maps.google.com/maps/m?mode=buzz#ll=37.774649,-122.442884&z=14&view=map&uid=z130yrgrmz3vwrrxj04chtdqowj5ehawauk0k&lci=m,com.google.latitudepublicupdates&ac=l, |
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| 20:27.42 | nn7 | debilater: something apparently went wrong |
| 20:28.35 | nn7 | debilater: looks like it didn't install right, I uninstalled it and will try reinstalling it |
| 20:32.25 | nn7 | ok, I found ez-ipupdate in /meda/cryptofs/apps/opt/bin |
| 20:33.06 | nn7 | ug, this ez-ipupdate is installed as a pppd script, which didn't seem to be firing for me |
| 20:34.14 | nn7 | maybe I have a different phone version and this stuff doesn't work |
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| 20:38.54 | nn7 | so I went and tried to manually install optware rather than using preware. That failed with "bad address 'ipkg.nslu2-linux.org' |
| 20:46.11 | zsoc | nn7: do you have an internet connection? |
| 20:46.22 | rwhitby | morning |
| 20:46.30 | rwhitby | debilater: released and all is well? |
| 20:46.45 | nn7 | zsoc: yes, I had just downloaded the installer |
| 20:46.56 | nn7 | I just told my phone to reboot and now nova can't connect |
| 20:47.02 | nn7 | man, I have all kinds of issues today |
| 20:47.21 | iSmite | why am i only getting 22kb download on those files from here it says 1 hour 9 minutes!!! |
| 20:47.23 | nn7 | ez-ipupdate is in the wrong place, optware won't install, now novaterm is broken |
| 20:47.26 | iSmite | the webos dr ones |
| 20:49.10 | iSmite | well thats it theyve stopped, died, and wont download again |
| 20:49.14 | iSmite | im screwed |
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| 20:49.29 | iSmite | oh no 12 hours remaining. i have 10mb connection. |
| 20:49.36 | rwhitby | nn7: oh, ez-ipupdate probably hasn't been updated for the new optware installation method yet. |
| 20:49.40 | iSmite | i need to get them somewhere else |
| 20:49.43 | debilater | rwhitby: yes works but version was wrong and screenshots missing, I put it to 3.0.0 and fixed the screenshots, but otherwise I could install, run, play a game, finish, deinstall - all good |
| 20:49.52 | rwhitby | (we're making optware packages be able to survive the webos Doctor) |
| 20:50.11 | rwhitby | debilater: so 3.0.0 is good to go? |
| 20:50.41 | debilater | rwhitby: another testfeed would be good with 3.0.0 |
| 20:51.39 | rwhitby | debilater: did you take v3.0.0 ? |
| 20:51.42 | rwhitby | s/take/tag/ |
| 20:51.54 | debilater | rwhitby: yes I did |
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| 20:52.42 | nn7 | ok |
| 20:52.48 | nn7 | rebooted my laptop, I can log into my phone now |
| 20:53.03 | nn7 | maybe I'm jumping too far ahead, can someone help me do things the right way? |
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| 20:53.16 | nn7 | I have root access into the phone with novaterm and I have preware installed |
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| 20:53.40 | nn7 | I told preware to install the optware ez-ipupdate program |
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| 20:53.56 | nn7 | the documentation for the ez-ipupdate program says it should be install in /opt but nothing is in /opt |
| 20:54.04 | iSmite | where else can i get the webos dr apart from palm its just dropping to under 20kb for the download i cant use my phone until this is done |
| 20:54.33 | iSmite | i was getting them in a couple of minutes earlier |
| 20:55.36 | rwhitby | Stella 3.0.0 is in the testing feed now |
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| 20:55.49 | debilater | rwhitby: thx a lot |
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| 20:56.11 | zsoc | debilater: Stella is very nice btw |
| 20:56.13 | rwhitby | iSmite: we don't redistribute - we just give links to the palm site. it's a content delivery network for Palm, so it should be faster than that. |
| 20:56.23 | iSmite | its saying 3 hours |
| 20:56.42 | rwhitby | nn7: did preware say that the optware bootstrap was installed as a dependency? |
| 20:56.55 | nn7 | yes, it installed the bootstrap |
| 20:57.51 | debilater | rwhitby: yes it's there still with invalid screnshots (it shows the icon twice instead of the 3 screenshots I've put into the Makefile) |
| 20:58.37 | debilater | rwhitby: 5, not 3 |
| 20:59.32 | nn7 | rwhitby: optware bootstrap is listed as an installed application in preware |
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| 21:02.06 | rwhitby | nn7: have you doctored since optware bootstrap was installed? |
| 21:02.27 | rwhitby | debilater: sorry, didn't pull your changes |
| 21:02.35 | debilater | rwhitby: no prob |
| 21:02.41 | debilater | zsoc: and did you try it? |
| 21:03.09 | zsoc | debilater: I played with the loafer and the settings hehe |
| 21:03.12 | rwhitby | debilater: did you remove the depends for a reason? |
| 21:03.14 | nn7 | rwhitby: the only thing I've done was look around to try and figure out what happened to ez-ipupdate. When it looked like things were wrong I uninstalled the app and the bootstrap and reinstalled them. The only thing I have done since then was reboot |
| 21:03.18 | zsoc | loader |
| 21:03.54 | rwhitby | nn7: what version of preware and package manager service are you using to install them? |
| 21:04.22 | nn7 | preware 0.9.21 by WebOS |
| 21:05.10 | debilater | rwhitby: nope I forgot them :) sorry |
| 21:06.05 | einalex | hi guys! I get somessh error nowadays... "ssh_exchange_identification" any idea on how to get rid of that and get my ssh access back? |
| 21:06.28 | Rick_work | rwhitby you have an email with a test copy of the translation files for Preware into italian |
| 21:06.57 | rwhitby | debilater: updated stella 3.0.0 in testing feed |
| 21:07.07 | rwhitby | Rick_work: yep, I also got a chinese version overnight |
| 21:07.37 | Rick_work | cool. |
| 21:07.52 | Rick_work | he said he wasn't sure that the italian one worked. he night have broken something |
| 21:07.55 | Rick_work | bbl |
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| 21:09.53 | debilater | zsoc: the funny part is, that stella recognises if I swipe right=>left in the gesture area as escape-key, so perhaps I could use it as MOD key, e.g. tap gesture+s == ALT-s :) |
| 21:10.13 | nn7 | rwhitby: the optware bootstrap version is 1.0.0 |
| 21:10.23 | nn7 | not sure where to find the package manager service version |
| 21:10.35 | nt4cats | nn7: preware will tell you |
| 21:10.51 | nt4cats | nn7: in the installed packages area |
| 21:11.00 | nn7 | ahh |
| 21:11.04 | debilater | rwhitby: yes now it looks perfect |
| 21:11.06 | nn7 | 0.9.34 |
| 21:11.19 | rwhitby | debilater: so good to release? |
| 21:11.53 | debilater | rwhitby: I'd say |
| 21:12.10 | einalex | hm.... |
| 21:12.14 | einalex | bump? |
| 21:13.45 | rwhitby | Stella 3.0.0 is released to Preware |
| 21:15.15 | debilater | yeah :) |
| 21:15.34 | nn7 | rwhitby: any ideas? |
| 21:16.00 | debilater | rwhitby: 1000 thanks for you help |
| 21:16.03 | rwhitby | debilater: you want debilator or your real name in the tweet? |
| 21:17.04 | rwhitby | only room for debilator if you want retweets |
| 21:17.27 | rwhitby | nn7: ipupdate 3.0.11.7-4 now in the feeds - update to that first |
| 21:18.05 | debilater | rwhitby: debilater is ok |
| 21:18.19 | rwhitby | debilater: "Stella Atari Emulator in Preware courtesy of WebOS Internals developer debilator: http://bit.ly/webos-internals-stella" ok? |
| 21:18.55 | debilater | ok, but debilatEr not debilatOr :) |
| 21:18.57 | rwhitby | bit.ly/stella was already take |
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| 21:19.13 | rwhitby | fixed |
| 21:19.15 | debilater | it's debil and later :) |
| 21:19.18 | rwhitby | ok to send? |
| 21:19.20 | debilater | ok |
| 21:21.29 | rwhitby | iSmite: BTW, I develop meta-doctor on a Mac |
| 21:21.34 | nn7 | rwhitby: ok. uninstalled, updated feed, installed version -4 |
| 21:22.03 | iSmite | well at least one of the 2 of us knows how to use it thwn lol |
| 21:22.05 | iSmite | e |
| 21:23.15 | rwhitby | zsoc: BTW, MyTether 2.1.0 has been fixed according to my instructions to the author, so it now installs and uninstalls cleanly and no longer breaks your phone. So if the author decided that it was no longer a commercial program, it could theoretically go into Preware with no hassles. |
| 21:23.33 | nn7 | rwhitby: I have /media/cryptofs/apps/opt/bin/ez-ipupdate but still nothing in /opt |
| 21:24.08 | rwhitby | nn7: is /opt bind mounted on your device? |
| 21:24.36 | nn7 | rwhitby: /dev/mapper/store-var on /opt type ext3 |
| 21:25.05 | rwhitby | nn7: ok, so the post-install script of ez-ipupdate should put a symlink in /opt/bin |
| 21:25.11 | zsoc | rwhitby: of course I understand that. do you really think sonic is going to remove the apps commercial nature? |
| 21:25.24 | nn7 | should it also create /opt/bin/ ? |
| 21:25.34 | rwhitby | nn7: yes, it should |
| 21:25.35 | zsoc | lol. not sonic. aonic. |
| 21:25.43 | nn7 | the only thing in /opt/ is . and .. |
| 21:26.43 | rwhitby | zsoc: no, I doubt that he ever will. that's the reason why it won't be in Preware. there is no longer any technical reason (I convinced him to fix those things to save us the debugging hassle) |
| 21:27.23 | rwhitby | nn7: does /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/lib/ipkg/info/mobi.optware.ez-ipupdate.postinst exist? |
| 21:27.31 | zsoc | rwhitby: ah, did you assist him with the hotspot api calls? |
| 21:27.38 | rwhitby | zsoc: no |
| 21:27.58 | rwhitby | I taught him how to package things properly. nothing more. |
| 21:28.05 | zsoc | ah ok |
| 21:28.17 | nn7 | rwhitby: yes, with its sha1 buddy |
| 21:28.49 | rwhitby | zsoc: I felt the safety of the community (and less debugging for us) was far more important that any other opinions about the actual functionality of the application that anyone might have. |
| 21:29.10 | zsoc | I agree |